Speaker 1: I lost my voice. There wasn't that nice? Hey, everybody, Well,
Speaker 1: I just watch everybody.
Speaker 2: Back to one.
Speaker 1: All right, Hey, everybody, welcome to Pink Shade. It's pap
Speaker 1: and Bravo Thursday. I've got Doug been here. I did
Speaker 1: have a little happening right as I was about to
Speaker 1: say hello to Doug. Doug and I have spent the
Speaker 1: last ten minutes talking about pill sorders and trying to
Speaker 1: get your office in order. And you know, that's just
Speaker 1: what you do when you're elderly. You just talk about.
Speaker 2: This is it when we're this is the age.
Speaker 3: I said to Mary, paying like, the most exciting thing
Speaker 3: is that I bought socks that have tread, so.
Speaker 1: I don't Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I got a chic pill case.
Speaker 1: I tell you, I've fallen for these chic pillcases before
Speaker 1: it and they come and either they're like metal, and
Speaker 1: I'm like, that's not going to work for my aesthetic.
Speaker 1: I like the one that you showed me, so once
Speaker 1: once it arrives, I'll take a picture and I'll post
Speaker 1: it and say thank you to Doug. Because Doug introduced
Speaker 1: me to this.
Speaker 3: Well, I googled like best or coolest pillcases, and this
Speaker 3: was the reco of the interweb.
Speaker 1: So okay, okay, I like it that you showed it
Speaker 1: to me. I like it. This is what you do, everybody.
Speaker 1: So we're going to talk about the Salt Lake City
Speaker 1: reunion mostly, Okay, have you been watching Potona because I
Speaker 1: have not? You have? I feel bad. It is the
Speaker 1: people in my area, but that's sort of lost interest.
Speaker 3: It's sort of local. I don't know, really, I don't
Speaker 3: know why. People, But what is it that you're not liking.
Speaker 3: I've been enjoying it. I mean that there I love
Speaker 3: a cast trip and they're on a trip now, and
Speaker 3: that's you know, continuing. There was crossover with Mauricio, and
Speaker 3: I'm enjoying it.
Speaker 1: I think I love some of the original cast. With
Speaker 1: some of these new people, I just don't feel a connection.
Speaker 2: With it takes sometimes you can't remember who.
Speaker 1: Is whom and what the story is.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and Tia, I couldn't remember who had been changing
Speaker 2: her pictures. You know that we saw a few weeks ago. Whatever.
Speaker 2: So now I feel like for me, each person has
Speaker 2: been defined. I sort of I know. Okay, yeah, but
Speaker 2: I've been.
Speaker 1: I'll catch I'll catch up at the reunion. Beverly Hills.
Speaker 1: I assume those are your local people. You've been watching.
Speaker 3: Yes, of course I've been watching. And again I feel
Speaker 3: like that's also getting a lot of criticism. But maybe
Speaker 3: I'm just such a loser. I mean, I'm fine with it.
Speaker 3: I really There are there are shows that I don't watch.
Speaker 3: I don't watch, you know, like this, so I'm not
Speaker 3: I don't look at the critic so some of them,
Speaker 3: but the watch I don't know.
Speaker 2: I feel like they're fine.
Speaker 1: I've seen criticism of Beverly Hills as well, but I'm
Speaker 1: the same way. I'm like, Okay, I'm enjoying it. I
Speaker 1: like to look at the wealthy people. I like the lighter,
Speaker 1: brighter Erica. I enjoy are. Yeah. I always love Sutton,
Speaker 1: so yeah.
Speaker 3: And I'm watching Traders, so I'm getting like Lisa Renna.
Speaker 3: In fact, I was just picturing Beverly Hills and I
Speaker 3: kept seeing Rina and I was like, why did I
Speaker 3: pictureing Renna?
Speaker 2: But it's, of course because I'm also watching Traders.
Speaker 1: You got the Traders on your mind? Yes, I love it.
Speaker 1: Traders is so good. It's so good, so good love.
Speaker 1: And I was excited because I was flying last week
Speaker 1: and I was like, Okay, I'm going to download Traders
Speaker 1: to watch, and there was two episodes there.
Speaker 2: I was like, yes, I didn't realize I was.
Speaker 3: I didn't realize I was one episode behind. I was like, oh,
Speaker 3: I have to wait until Thursday. And it turns out
Speaker 3: this last episode somehow escaped me. So I just watched
Speaker 3: last Threek's episode. So now I'm caught up with Traders.
Speaker 1: Also, yeah, they gave you three and then they gave
Speaker 1: you two, and I'm like, oh my gosh, how exciting. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so Beverly Hills I'm watching now. I think you and
Speaker 1: I have discussed this before. I am not a summer
Speaker 1: house person. Are you a summerhouse person?
Speaker 3: I've been watching it since the very first episode.
Speaker 1: That's so surprising to me. Why because I think you
Speaker 1: never watched the original vander Pump.
Speaker 3: No, No, I did watch vander Pump. I think I
Speaker 3: watched the first two seasons or the up until when
Speaker 3: is it Billy like a trans.
Speaker 1: Hostess Billy Lee.
Speaker 2: Yes, that season was.
Speaker 3: I'm just remembering that character being introduced. That's when I
Speaker 3: stopped watching. So I think that's got to be at
Speaker 3: least three seasons or two seasons that I watched and
Speaker 3: I liked it, but it is I don't watch it
Speaker 3: now now I feel like it's too Oh.
Speaker 1: I'm not watching it now. No, and and I tried.
Speaker 1: I tried.
Speaker 2: I didn't watch The Valley.
Speaker 1: Oh, well you're you're then you're really missing something because
Speaker 1: the Valley is great.
Speaker 2: And there's something.
Speaker 1: Are you watching the Persian Valley? Yes, of course, Okay,
Speaker 1: I gotta, I've gotta, I gotta binge that. As to
Speaker 1: where we are now, because it's a few episodes out.
Speaker 3: I love Southern Term but I don't love South. I
Speaker 3: didn't ever watch is it Southern Hospitality?
Speaker 2: The Woman Love Are?
Speaker 3: I never got into that, but I love and I
Speaker 3: love Summer House and I loved Winter House.
Speaker 2: I love all the houses.
Speaker 1: I think I watched Winter House when Tom Schwartz was
Speaker 1: on and then we had one guy whose name will
Speaker 1: come to me eventually. That was on Family Karma, which
Speaker 1: is one of my all time favorite Bravo shows that
Speaker 1: I'm hoping they'll bring back.
Speaker 2: And I loved that show The Mothers.
Speaker 1: And the Great so good, so great, and so I
Speaker 1: did watch that Winterhouse, but I just couldn't understand, like,
Speaker 1: what are they doing? Are we just watching is it
Speaker 1: just like Big Brother? I just could not understand what
Speaker 1: is the point are they going to? What are they doing?
Speaker 2: I mean it was a nice little mix.
Speaker 3: What about this news of Amanda and Kyle are you
Speaker 3: are you surprised?
Speaker 1: Well be I don't watch it, but like I know everything,
Speaker 1: and so just from everything that you've heard, you know
Speaker 1: that that has been in the works for a while.
Speaker 1: And I did like in their statement that they were like,
Speaker 1: we do ask for privacy, and we do understand that
Speaker 1: that is rich coming from us, do you know what
Speaker 1: I mean? So, yeah, I appreciate that you could be like, look,
Speaker 1: I know we're asking for privacy, even though I know
Speaker 1: our whole life is on TV. You know, y'all, with
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Speaker 1: and plan purchased. Yeah, I sometimes I watch the Summerhouse reunions.
Speaker 1: I watched the last one just because I was interested
Speaker 1: in the Page and Craig of it all. And I'm
Speaker 1: I think Page is pretty fascinating. Although I've never watched
Speaker 1: her on my television, I just enjoy her.
Speaker 3: Well, it's funny because she's got a very popular podcast. Think,
Speaker 3: I don't know, I've never seen her outside of the
Speaker 3: Summer House show, you know, Universe.
Speaker 2: So Craig I'm now.
Speaker 3: Watching because he's still on Southern Charm and so that's
Speaker 3: airing right now. Oh yeah, I haven't seen Paige in forever,
Speaker 3: and she's not going to be on the upcoming season,
Speaker 3: I think.
Speaker 1: Right probably not. She's the podcast that she has is huge,
Speaker 1: like huge, like Crappin's levels huge huge. So you know,
Speaker 1: it's it's a younger set of people than then you
Speaker 1: and I would pay attention to.
Speaker 2: Don't marvel up chic pillcases that the people who watch those.
Speaker 1: I'm assuming that that conversation we have for timnus would
Speaker 1: have no interest to the giggly squad set.
Speaker 2: Is that? Is that what it's called giggle squad?
Speaker 1: Giggly squad? I have heard of that squad.
Speaker 3: Like there's like Amanda and Kyle for me, like the
Speaker 3: heartbreak news is not about Amanda and Kyle, It's that
Speaker 3: crue Leaf is leaving Great British Bake Off. Like I
Speaker 3: saw that and I was like gun with all my friends.
Speaker 3: I'm like, pru is leaving like to me, so that
Speaker 3: I understand, like how that affects me?
Speaker 2: Is the equivalent for other? Yes?
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah. My good friends Kimberly and Katie have a podcast,
Speaker 1: a Date with Dateline, and Kimberly's a co host here
Speaker 1: with Me every week, and they had a spin off
Speaker 1: show called A Date with the bake and they covered
Speaker 1: Great British Bakeoffs. So I imagine they're upset as well.
Speaker 2: Yeah, trust me, they are. Yeah, check in with them.
Speaker 1: I'll check in and see how they're doing. Well. Let's
Speaker 1: talk about Salt Lake City because we everybody, everybody is
Speaker 1: watching Salt Lake City, so we opened up with Angie
Speaker 1: with her scroll, which was something that bothered me because
Speaker 1: in episode one the scroll was sitting next to Andy
Speaker 1: half the time, but so they were piecing it out
Speaker 1: of order, and I didn't I like the continuity.
Speaker 2: I'm like, it was a rather odd scroll.
Speaker 3: Can we just talk about the physical nature of this scroll?
Speaker 2: It was a scroll on a stand and then you
Speaker 2: had to like cast it down's two pieces. The scroll
Speaker 2: was a phone number, like, was the scroll the screen shot? Yeah,
Speaker 2: Lisa's phone number.
Speaker 1: It was screenshots because when he unrolled it, you could
Speaker 1: see like the little pieces of paper sort of lifting,
Speaker 1: you know, or maybe they hadn't glued it.
Speaker 2: Is that some sort of Greek thing?
Speaker 1: A scroll?
Speaker 3: All I think of, like, you know, ancient Egypt and papyrus, and.
Speaker 2: I just.
Speaker 1: Minored in history but went right over my head, don't remember.
Speaker 2: I'm taking a note Google the scroll.
Speaker 1: The scroll. So she says, Lisa trolling me, and of
Speaker 1: course I'm like a troll with a scroll. So we
Speaker 1: see this account, okay, it's called Candace Story seven, Okay,
Speaker 1: and Lisa's the whole time it's not true, it's not true,
Speaker 1: not true. So she's trying to show Andy something on
Speaker 1: her phone. He's like, okay, like enough, and Whitney's like,
Speaker 1: tell how we figured it out. This is important. So
Speaker 1: Lisa goes, I don't know what you're doing. It's a
Speaker 1: prop flop. It's a prop. It's a flop.
Speaker 2: It's a flop flop, so.
Speaker 1: Whitney says, and this is genius. Whitney says, she tried
Speaker 1: to log onto Candas story seven and clicked forget password,
Speaker 1: send password to the phone number associated with it, and
Speaker 1: then it pops up and says is this your number?
Speaker 1: And it was Lisa Warlow's number, But is mark.
Speaker 2: You just the last four digits?
Speaker 3: Because when you do that, it says we sent her
Speaker 3: to the phone number xxxxxxx with the last few got it?
Speaker 1: Got it? Okay, but still that's damning.
Speaker 2: Yes, But then Lisa and then she she apparently she
Speaker 2: finally h come to and said that's when that was
Speaker 2: my number or something, but they didn't really mine that
Speaker 2: moment they sorted that to me. It slipped by.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was like, this is was her number? Yeah?
Speaker 1: And a she goes, this account's been shitting on me
Speaker 1: and cast members for years, the same canvas story seven.
Speaker 1: You know, she goes and here's another thing. I figured out.
Speaker 1: These ladies are all sleuths. I love it. She says.
Speaker 1: I made a post for my daughter's Electra's birthday, and
Speaker 1: right after that, Lisa sent me a text Happy birthday
Speaker 1: to Electra. And then I looked and Lisa had not
Speaker 1: seen my post because you can tell, but that other
Speaker 1: account had seen my post.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I was like, that's I mean, it's it
Speaker 2: makes sense right, It's like a come's razor, like all
Speaker 2: things being equal, what is logical? That does make sense
Speaker 2: to me?
Speaker 1: M And then you know, Hea, there's like there were
Speaker 1: post from this Candice with details that only Lisa Barlow
Speaker 1: would know. And Lisa is just going, it's not me,
Speaker 1: it's not me, and and she goes, everyone knows it.
Speaker 1: Meredith knows it. And Meredith, Meredith and Lisa were such
Speaker 1: statues the whole time. They're like, I.
Speaker 3: Thought it was such a bummer, like the they definitely
Speaker 3: what was they saying like that Meredith is Lisa's mouthpiece
Speaker 3: and she's like, I'm not.
Speaker 2: I mean to me, it is. It's the whole time.
Speaker 1: They're like, did I hit all my subjects?
Speaker 2: Right? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Good job? You know, makes for bagging me out break.
Speaker 2: She's like, I got all my talking points thought essentially,
Speaker 2: is what she was saying.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean they definitely had a meeting beforehand to
Speaker 1: make sure they were hitting all their points, you know,
Speaker 1: And who's to say I wouldn't do the same if
Speaker 1: I had a good friend there. But they haven't been
Speaker 1: good friends, you know, so like.
Speaker 3: There's the accountability, Like they both got sort of indignant
Speaker 3: and self righteous, but if they had, just if you
Speaker 3: did it, I would expect you to say, well, you know,
Speaker 3: Doug and I did get together just to make sure
Speaker 3: we were going to hit everything.
Speaker 2: Like you wouldn't get indignant and.
Speaker 1: Deny it, right, yeah, just I would never I speak
Speaker 1: for myself, like, no, you're obviously together.
Speaker 2: In a world like own it or whatever it is.
Speaker 1: Just yeah, yeah, yeah, it's okay.
Speaker 2: That behavior is the behavior, but don't make it.
Speaker 3: Worse by, you know, gas lighting or just being so
Speaker 3: self righteous.
Speaker 1: So self righteous. So you know, Heather's like, I wouldn't
Speaker 1: accuse you if I didn't know it in my soul.
Speaker 1: And everybody's yelling. Now you get this zoom in on Andy,
Speaker 1: which I loved. He did seem to sort of leave
Speaker 1: his body. He sort of seemed to something when he departs, Yeah,
Speaker 1: and he just got off. He just gets up and
Speaker 1: walks off, which was hilarious because they're all like, Andy,
Speaker 1: please go back, We're sorry.
Speaker 2: And no Andy, no, Andy.
Speaker 1: Mary's going it's not funny. It's not funny. So then
Speaker 1: there's some hullabaloo about a guy at Red Rocks that.
Speaker 3: So Andy leaves. He doesn't, I mean, he leaves and
Speaker 3: he just like stands aside for ten seconds.
Speaker 1: You know, I loved it.
Speaker 2: I want I want someone to like dress them down.
Speaker 2: I want them to be like, shut up, Yeah, you
Speaker 2: have a job. Unless that is there, it is their
Speaker 2: job to make such commotion. I don't know, like that's
Speaker 2: always sort of a.
Speaker 1: But one at a time, one at a time, he
Speaker 1: always says, one at a time. And then they just
Speaker 1: are so eager that somehow they don't think they're going
Speaker 1: to be able to make their points. So there's just
Speaker 1: yelling and it's just like if you could just talk
Speaker 1: and then you talk and then you talk and point counterpoint,
Speaker 1: it's just noise, it is. And then I as a
Speaker 1: person writing notes, I'm always trying to like pause and
Speaker 1: go back, because now I'm trying to listen to the
Speaker 1: under yelling, because on that last round, I listened to
Speaker 1: the over yelling, and I'm trying to write down both
Speaker 1: it's hard.
Speaker 3: It's hard, and the robot that has to do the
Speaker 3: close cap. I mean, you probably just kept garb more.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it makes no sense. So there's a hall
Speaker 1: of balloo about a guy Meredith dated. She took a
Speaker 1: picture of him on a motorcycle at Red Rocks and
Speaker 1: she's like, nobody cares. Seth and I were separated, so
Speaker 1: that was kind of a you're on a break on
Speaker 1: a break. So during the break, Andy says, let's take
Speaker 1: a break now, Heather says, have you noticed like Meredith
Speaker 1: really doesn't say anything in Lisa's defense, which she really
Speaker 1: doesn't too much as much as Lisa does for her.
Speaker 1: And then Lisa goes in there to talk to Meredith
Speaker 1: and she's like, you have to be prepared. We're here
Speaker 1: to back each other, and Meredith goes everybody's just so
Speaker 1: obsessed with us. Sounded it sounded like something Brooks would say,
Speaker 1: didn't it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And it looked so good.
Speaker 1: I thought they both looked great.
Speaker 2: Meredith's hair in particular, I was like, oh, she looks fantastic.
Speaker 1: Lisa and Angie were best dressed for sure. So on
Speaker 1: to Mary, Andy says that em and Mary n. Cosby
Speaker 1: stands for mediator. We see her preaching, we see her
Speaker 1: with their son, we see her trying to mediate between
Speaker 1: the women. And Andy asked her, of course, about Robert Jr.
Speaker 1: And what's going on, and she says like many parents
Speaker 1: feel with children who are addicts, like I'm happy he's
Speaker 1: in jail because at least I know where he is
Speaker 1: and he's safe. She explains that, you know his his wife,
Speaker 1: who's foll for divorce, has a restraining order against him,
Speaker 1: but somehow in his mind he thinks that she wants
Speaker 1: him to come save her, so he keeps going to
Speaker 1: the house. It's very sad.
Speaker 2: You surprised. I was surprised.
Speaker 3: I know I don't have kids, but I was surprised
Speaker 3: when Andy said have you visited him in jail? And
Speaker 3: Mary with she was like an immediate reaction like no,
Speaker 3: And I think she even said that would be weird,
Speaker 3: And Andy said, because you don't want to see him
Speaker 3: that way, and Mary kind of just went along and
Speaker 3: said yes, I didn't know. Is that did that make
Speaker 3: sense to you? Like did that resonate with you that
Speaker 3: you wouldn't even want to see him? I mean, he's
Speaker 3: clean if he's in jail, so and you know, presumably
Speaker 3: on the right road if he wants books or whatever.
Speaker 3: But what did you How did that sit with you
Speaker 3: that she didn't want to go visit him while he's
Speaker 3: in jail.
Speaker 1: I think her initial reaction when she said was no,
Speaker 1: that would be weird. She was like me in a jail,
Speaker 1: That's what she said, Like, like for me to go
Speaker 1: into a jail like that would be that would be
Speaker 1: like Julia Roberts walking into the Fulton County jail in Atlanta, Like,
Speaker 1: what are you talking about? We just did a we
Speaker 1: just did a show about the Fulton County Jail.
Speaker 2: Go visit people in prison? Kind it was.
Speaker 1: That was kind of her initial And then, like you said,
Speaker 1: he said, because you wouldn't want to see him that way.
Speaker 2: But I didn't know if that was a real if
Speaker 2: that was like a real sort of thing. I mean,
Speaker 2: I can't think. I don't know. I don't I've never
Speaker 2: would go.
Speaker 1: I would go.
Speaker 2: I would too. Have you ever visited somebody in jail? No?
Speaker 1: But I cover so many jail shows that I think
Speaker 1: I'd be great at it because I would know what
Speaker 1: to do, I'd know what to expects. But I think
Speaker 1: that I know people who have had children that are addicts,
Speaker 1: and they end up in jail here and there a lot,
Speaker 1: and then maybe by the third or fourth time, you're like, no,
Speaker 1: I'm not going like when they get out, you know,
Speaker 1: I'll see him then, And I don't know. I mean,
Speaker 1: I assume they're sending a lawyer over there for him
Speaker 1: and whatnot. But until he gets into a really long program,
Speaker 1: you know, thirty days is not going to do anything.
Speaker 4: No, you know.
Speaker 1: So they asked her about the documentary and I did.
Speaker 1: I interviewed the director and the producer.
Speaker 2: Oh cool, uh huh.
Speaker 1: And I watched it twice because I covered it, did
Speaker 1: a recap of it, and uh, you watched it, yes, it, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I it was too long, number one. But I did
Speaker 1: like that her sister was on there. I liked that
Speaker 1: the church members that were like her cousin and his
Speaker 1: wife and long term members of the church that were
Speaker 1: there when Mama was there, especially the one that was
Speaker 1: the family of the girl that she sort of was like.
Speaker 1: And she got ejected out of the window and woo,
Speaker 1: let's eat. You know, I found all that anything they
Speaker 1: related back, A.
Speaker 3: Lot of things sort of made sense to me. It
Speaker 3: seemed logical. Everything everything seemed logical.
Speaker 2: It didn't. It didn't seem like just an axe to
Speaker 2: grind from other people. Yea, yeah, yeah, there was enough perspective.
Speaker 2: I think I.
Speaker 1: Thought it was most people will disagree and they didn't
Speaker 1: like it so much, but I thought I gat some information.
Speaker 1: Now I listen. I still enjoy Mary Cosby on my TV.
Speaker 1: I think she's really great television. And my hope is
Speaker 1: that she's doing a bron when or any of these
Speaker 1: other women that we've seen trying to get away from
Speaker 1: a husband. My hope is that next season it'll be like,
Speaker 1: well we just thought it a divorce and he's going
Speaker 1: to keep the church and I'm gonna go this.
Speaker 2: Way, you know what a turnaround.
Speaker 3: Though, Remember that was at the I guess her first
Speaker 3: season she just was sort of first season, she was
Speaker 3: just sort of like this cooky aside. But remember when
Speaker 3: they awn camping? Did they go camping and she's stayed
Speaker 3: in the car with her McDonald's, Like she was so
Speaker 3: disengaged that she definitely has I think made a reversal.
Speaker 3: She's much more engaged and active part of the group
Speaker 3: in a way that she wasn't before, and I enjoy
Speaker 3: that for sure.
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Speaker 1: game Time app. Today when they were at the Trixie
Speaker 1: Motel and they were all sitting out by the pool,
Speaker 1: and I think Angi's like, Mary, do you want to
Speaker 1: come sit with us? She's like no. She were like, Okay,
Speaker 1: we are here to shoot a TV show. But right
Speaker 1: I'm into it. So Mary says, look, the whole thing
Speaker 1: hurt my feelings, but you know I'm tough, and Whitney says,
Speaker 1: you know a lot of people when it came out
Speaker 1: were really standing up for Mary. And Lisa goes, yeah,
Speaker 1: because it's old news, and Mary goes, I don't know
Speaker 1: why it's all resurfacing. People just maybe aren't used to
Speaker 1: a Pentecostal church, a black Pentecostal church in Utah, Like,
Speaker 1: I don't know. So then Andy asked Mary about when
Speaker 1: she said Meredith is not a good friend to Lisa.
Speaker 1: She didn't stick up for Lisa when everybody was bringing
Speaker 1: up this lawsuit stuff. And Lisa goes, Meredith and I
Speaker 1: have always been good friends, and Mary goes, oh, even
Speaker 1: when you called her a whore and said she slept
Speaker 1: with half in New York. Yeah, I will I don't
Speaker 1: care how many seasons we had. I'm never going to
Speaker 1: get over that either. Yeah, I would never speak to
Speaker 1: somebody again. Ever, we take a lot.
Speaker 2: Yeah, concile from that bad it's that's that was so
Speaker 2: or not even to reconcile.
Speaker 3: I guess listen, you could, you can share space with
Speaker 3: everybody to put your trust and your faith in and
Speaker 3: and respect to somebody, I would have a really really.
Speaker 2: Hard time, I think.
Speaker 1: And then Lisa's come back to that is do you
Speaker 1: want to go through the list of everything everyone has
Speaker 1: ever called Meredith or do you just want to fixate
Speaker 1: on me?
Speaker 2: I was like, I don't.
Speaker 3: Like the way she argues. It's not it's it's it's
Speaker 3: not good. Like I love to argue when you're when
Speaker 3: you know how to argue, But she just she just.
Speaker 2: Goes low and deflects, and a lot of like what
Speaker 2: about you know, what about is? And what about what
Speaker 2: you did? It's like, but that's not what yes precipitated is.
Speaker 2: It's about what you did. So through that, there's there's
Speaker 2: no awareness there.
Speaker 1: I think Lisa says she's frustrated or frustrated, however you
Speaker 1: say that, however you say that word that was interesting.
Speaker 3: Then maybe they cut out somebody correcting her because she
Speaker 3: said frustrated, frustrated.
Speaker 2: On how you say it, so she knows how to
Speaker 2: say frustrated.
Speaker 1: She just a lot of people say frustrated.
Speaker 2: We heard a lot a lot of people say frustrated.
Speaker 2: There's a lot of words library, irregardless.
Speaker 1: Regardless, bothers me a lot. Yeah. So Andy's like, look,
Speaker 1: it's people marvel at how you were able to get
Speaker 1: over that, like you know, like it was four years ago,
Speaker 1: but people marvel over how you could move past it.
Speaker 1: And then Andy says, Lisa, were you surprised Mary took
Speaker 1: your side on this thing, saying that Meredith didn't stick
Speaker 1: up for you. And Lisa goes, and Mary goes, Lisa
Speaker 1: don't care, Lisa cares about Lisa, and and she goes
Speaker 1: and Lisa probably doesn't even know what you're talking about
Speaker 1: right now. And Lisa is just like looking forward and
Speaker 1: they all laugh, They're like, look at her. She doesn't It.
Speaker 3: Was convenient, yeah, camera that, I mean, it is true.
Speaker 3: She's just like that absolutely not there.
Speaker 1: Not there. So but Mary says to Lisa, she says,
Speaker 1: and Whitney says, I remember when you too Lisa and
Speaker 1: Whitney said my church was a cult, and you brought
Speaker 1: Cameron on the show, and that's top of mind for
Speaker 1: us because we just watched the documentary. And Mary says
Speaker 1: to Lisa, you know you live in the negative. You're
Speaker 1: very dark. You're a very dark person. And Lisa goes,
Speaker 1: oh my god, where's this coming from. So meanwhile, this
Speaker 1: is when Heather and Angie are just like meanwhile, this
Speaker 1: is when Heather and ange are like, look at her.
Speaker 1: She's like a statue and she's just like, Okay. Now
Speaker 1: we see Britney mentioning the TikTok rumor about Seth and
Speaker 1: then we see you know, Brahmin and Meredith throwing Uni
Speaker 1: the unicorn in the ocean, and we talk about Merediths
Speaker 1: behavior on the plane, and when we see them all
Speaker 1: yelling in the George Washington wigs, and Meredith apologized to
Speaker 1: Brittany for what she did or didn't do, but no,
Speaker 1: they're not friends, and Brahman goes, I don't understand what
Speaker 1: the big deal is. Like marriages on the show were
Speaker 1: talked about all the time, but we don't flip out
Speaker 1: bully people. And so Brittany tells them that she yeah,
Speaker 1: she does have faith, she does have proof that Seth
Speaker 1: has been unfaithful. Seth told someone Jared, that he has
Speaker 1: two girlfriends, right, and Lisa says yeah. And Jared told
Speaker 1: all of them that Todd wanted to go to Dubai
Speaker 1: or something to get ed meds. And then we see
Speaker 1: Lisa at Amy's party trying to get Jared to repeat
Speaker 1: it on camera to Amy, and Jared's like, uh, hilarious, hilarious.
Speaker 2: He said, I won't vote for you unless you say.
Speaker 1: It is he running for mayor.
Speaker 3: He's running for something, but that if he if he
Speaker 3: said okay, he would be that on camera taking a bride.
Speaker 2: You're right, you can't. You can't accept a bribe when
Speaker 2: you're ready for office.
Speaker 1: That's a great point. That's a great point. So then
Speaker 1: they talk about why no one recorded it on the plane,
Speaker 1: and we do sort of find out that this plane
Speaker 1: incident did happen towards the end of the six hour
Speaker 1: flight on descent upon descent.
Speaker 3: Upon descent. But then I think Heather said the last hour.
Speaker 3: And I've been on enough planes to know you don't
Speaker 3: really start your descent an hour because an hours when
Speaker 3: they're giving you the chocolate chip cookie if you're in.
Speaker 2: The front of the plane.
Speaker 3: Yeah, started your descent yet, so true descent is probably
Speaker 3: about twenty five twenty Yeah, about twenty five minutes before.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they said it was with an hour. And then Brittany,
Speaker 1: you know, makes it worre. She was like, the plane
Speaker 1: was in a nose dive. Okay, well that was.
Speaker 2: A little crazy too.
Speaker 1: She's a little crazy, you know, so they just you know,
Speaker 1: Heather's like, Meredith, you have ability to remember all these
Speaker 1: details of everything, but you can't remember what happened on
Speaker 1: the plane. Now, you remember what I said to you
Speaker 1: on the plane, but you can't remember what precipitated me
Speaker 1: talking to you on the plane. And Meredith says, I
Speaker 1: don't I don't want to hear this. Heather has screeched
Speaker 1: at me for two months and this makes Heather so mad. Screech,
Speaker 1: I just screeched a you fuck you. I didn't screech
Speaker 1: at you, but I'm going to.
Speaker 2: Start Davidson going beast beast. It was like, because it
Speaker 2: just goes screech, this is great.
Speaker 1: That really that really got her, And she says, our
Speaker 1: friendship is over. Should buckle up, Meredith, it won't be
Speaker 1: a fun ride. I was like, whoa, I enjoyed that.
Speaker 3: I that's a stupid thing to say, because then they're
Speaker 3: going to pick up the cameras again and they're all
Speaker 3: going to be like, I'm willing to look past it
Speaker 3: and give you a second chance or fifth or a
Speaker 3: seventh chance. I don't like I don't like those proclamations
Speaker 3: I'll never or yeah, I just I don't like.
Speaker 1: It because they have to film together. So if you
Speaker 1: like you want to end up like New Jersey and
Speaker 1: then you don't have a show when people refuse, you know,
Speaker 1: so if you want people to.
Speaker 3: Take you out your word, because the minute you say
Speaker 3: they I'll never and then you do it, then I
Speaker 3: don't trust you ever.
Speaker 1: Right, well not right? So Andy goes, Okay, should Brittany
Speaker 1: say what happened on the plane? And should Meredith say?
Speaker 1: Should we each get to say what happened on the plane?
Speaker 1: And Meredith goes, before we do that, I'd like to backtrack.
Speaker 1: I'd like to backtrack a little bit, you know.
Speaker 2: So revisit. I love I love a revisit.
Speaker 1: She's like, I'm going to distract you from asking me
Speaker 1: if I was on pills and then She says, if
Speaker 1: all of you were such good friends with Brittany, why
Speaker 1: didn't anybody get up to help her? And if anybody
Speaker 1: was so concerned about me, why didn't anyone say are
Speaker 1: you okay? And she goes, I did, and Heather said,
Speaker 1: I sent you a text and we see it like
Speaker 1: are you okay? So Heather goes, we should talk about
Speaker 1: the horrible things you said to her, the horrible things
Speaker 1: you called her. We're protecting you by not saying what
Speaker 1: you really said, and let's talk about what's not being
Speaker 1: spoken about, like horrible lies that you were yelling about
Speaker 1: Brittany on the plane and in the airport. So of
Speaker 1: course I'm like, what was it she was calling her
Speaker 1: a prostitute? Like what was she saying? I mean, well,
Speaker 1: was it?
Speaker 3: Well, what wasn't it the whole manicurist story.
Speaker 1: No, I don't think that's what she was. She was
Speaker 1: saying that she was yelling, she was yelling lies about
Speaker 1: Brittany in the airport. Was that the manicurist story?
Speaker 2: She said, before I talk about the plane, let's talk about.
Speaker 3: What led us there, Okay, anti Semitic, manicurist.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 2: That so that's what.
Speaker 3: That's what I thought, so that Meredith was saying, I
Speaker 3: protected you by not calling you an anti semi, which
Speaker 3: so I'll just do it here like that was the
Speaker 3: other like that we've got to do that whole thing
Speaker 3: about the anti Semitic manicurist who you know, Meredith led
Speaker 3: into her home.
Speaker 2: You know, but apparently did a good job on the nails.
Speaker 2: But that's what I thought they were avoiding talking about
Speaker 2: until they started talking about it.
Speaker 1: I mean, I guess Marret is trying to say, I
Speaker 1: was already mad about that, and then you brought up
Speaker 1: that TikTok, and then that just fueled something in me.
Speaker 1: And when she got up to go to the bathroom,
Speaker 1: maybe she used her seat, and you know, when the
Speaker 1: Brittany goes to the bathroom comes back, there's wine all
Speaker 1: over her seat and maryag just like that didn't happen,
Speaker 1: and Marya's like, this is ridiculous. So this is when
Speaker 1: Andy's like, did you have a drink on the plane?
Speaker 1: And then she says she explains the whole thing about
Speaker 1: the anti Semitic manicurist, which is just like you couldn't
Speaker 1: make it up. These are these things, these like like
Speaker 1: the Haitian mortician, like you just like what, like it's
Speaker 1: in theaters next spring. It's just like, it's a crazy story.
Speaker 1: It's a crazy story. The manicurists posted something on social
Speaker 1: media terribly anti Semitic. Meredith, of course, is Jewish, and
Speaker 1: she was very offended. But the manicurist asked Brittany and
Speaker 1: Jared to write a nice review. They didn't know why,
Speaker 1: they didn't look into why, and they just did it,
Speaker 1: and then of course took it back once they realized
Speaker 1: what the guy had done. Because Brittany goes, I mean,
Speaker 1: it was the least I could do. He was doing
Speaker 1: my nails for free.
Speaker 3: Did a good job, or he did my nails for free?
Speaker 3: But she did also she started by saying it was
Speaker 3: in exchange for a post.
Speaker 1: In exchange for a post. And I like when they
Speaker 1: are transparent with stuff like that.
Speaker 2: I totally agree. I totally agree.
Speaker 1: Don't just be like it's a manicurist. We both knew.
Speaker 1: Just go ahead and say it's something you were getting
Speaker 1: for free.
Speaker 3: You know, said I do Meredith's nails, I'd like to
Speaker 3: do yours in exchange for a post.
Speaker 2: Yes.
Speaker 3: He followed up, and he said I've been getting bad reviews?
Speaker 3: Could you write a positive review? If he had said
Speaker 3: I'm getting bad reviews and it's because I don't like Jews,
Speaker 3: like then maybe Britney would be like, well that I'm.
Speaker 2: Not you know, I'm out say that.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So she explains it and she says, you know,
Speaker 1: she says more the ones I handled it the right way.
Speaker 1: I handled it the right way. And then when I
Speaker 1: talked to Meredith at the whatever that camp out think
Speaker 1: they did, she cried and I held her in my
Speaker 1: arms like a child like this, and they were I
Speaker 1: was like, okay, Brittany, it was so.
Speaker 2: Awkward, and they were like, she's putting on her acting voice.
Speaker 1: I was like, it's just always like one step too far,
Speaker 1: like we were with you, We were with you, and
Speaker 1: then you have to go and to do this holding
Speaker 1: Angie and showing her how she rocked her. And Meredith
Speaker 1: was like, oh my god, this is a good performance.
Speaker 1: And Meredith says that she does feel that the reason
Speaker 1: Brittany is attacking her is because she's anti Semitic, and
Speaker 1: they were like, yeah, okay, that.
Speaker 3: Was really far, Like she goes, yeah, I was like
Speaker 3: she picked me out of everybody else. I really thought
Speaker 3: that was I certainly don't know, Brittany, but that seems.
Speaker 2: Like a reach.
Speaker 1: It seems like a reach. And again, it's always just
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Speaker 1: we send you, and then Brittany says she's tired of
Speaker 1: being attacked and she's not a victim, and she storms
Speaker 1: off the set, second storm off? Who this like? Are
Speaker 1: we gonna get a are we gonna get a third one?
Speaker 1: The next episode?
Speaker 2: Off? And then she stops, Yes, I'm not a victim
Speaker 2: and then storms off again. She is a very very dramatic.
Speaker 1: Yes it was. And then that was the end. And
Speaker 1: next week, I guess we're going to be discussing bron
Speaker 1: Win's marriage.
Speaker 2: Right have do any of the husbands come on?
Speaker 1: Or No? I haven't seen any clips of that, And
Speaker 1: I guess we're going to have to discuss the Angie
Speaker 1: Lisa fight, with Lisa sending her assistant to collect the
Speaker 1: fresh wolf from Angie's salon, and then they were dusty.
Speaker 2: Last year, No, it was this year.
Speaker 1: It was yeah, yeah, so we gotta I'm just trying
Speaker 1: to think of like other storylines we haven't discussed, because
Speaker 1: it can't be another it can't be an hour about Brahmin. Oh,
Speaker 1: they're gonna ask Whitney about her marriage and she cries
Speaker 1: hmmm because she's upset that Justin had her do an
Speaker 1: MLM and then she lost the money for her company.
Speaker 2: There's a scene they show a clip or she's like
Speaker 2: I need a minute or.
Speaker 1: Something, and maybe she walked. Maybe that'll be our third
Speaker 1: walk off because I'm trying to figure out, like what
Speaker 1: else is left? I mean, they're definitely gonna show all
Speaker 1: the clips of Todd, you know, taking the cherry off
Speaker 1: the Sunday and just her saying like, you know, maybe
Speaker 1: we could just have an open marriage, and he's like,
Speaker 1: I don't want to talk about us.
Speaker 2: He's really unsavory.
Speaker 1: He's a grumpy old man, and the whole.
Speaker 2: A grumpy old man. He unsavory. Are we on the
Speaker 2: same age?
Speaker 1: No, let's look him up. I think I've done this
Speaker 1: before because I was concerned that I was his age
Speaker 1: Todd from our hslc age. Okay, okay, he's sixty seven. Oh,
Speaker 1: thank god, thank the Lord.
Speaker 2: He's nowhere near my age.
Speaker 1: Nowhere near my age. So but you know the story
Speaker 1: about him making out and farting, I mean, whatever, how embarrassing, horrible,
Speaker 1: how embarrassing?
Speaker 3: Who wants to talk about it and who wants to
Speaker 3: hear it?
Speaker 4: Not I?
Speaker 1: And then what do you think about bron Win saying
Speaker 1: I guess we are going to discuss this the next episode.
Speaker 1: Seeing Seth in New York with a woman that then
Speaker 1: they spoke to him. Now, if Seth was smart, he
Speaker 1: would have seen Bromwin and Todd walk in and walked
Speaker 1: right up to the table and said, this is my coworker,
Speaker 1: Susie Q, and then.
Speaker 2: Called Meredith and said, oh god, I just run into Bromwin.
Speaker 1: Right, But it sounds like that's not what happened, right, Well,
Speaker 1: what do you think of that? What do you think
Speaker 1: of that?
Speaker 2: I don't really care. It's not going to affect me.
Speaker 1: Do you not like Bronwin? No?
Speaker 2: I do like Bronwyn.
Speaker 3: I went back and forth, but now I feel like
Speaker 3: she's a little bit of an underdog, and I always
Speaker 3: like the underdog, so it's difficult for me to not
Speaker 3: have like a just find your endearing as the underdog.
Speaker 3: But I didn't like her in the beginning. I don't
Speaker 3: like when they just are just all showy, showy, showy,
Speaker 3: and I think she was, and maybe that is who
Speaker 3: she really is. Just in this moment, I appreciate her.
Speaker 1: I think that you could tell from her home to
Speaker 1: Core that that's just how she is. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: what I mean, like make.
Speaker 3: Sure her house is yeah, I can't is it contemporary?
Speaker 3: I can't really remember now.
Speaker 1: Remember it's all it's all like weird, colorful statues and
Speaker 1: then like very minimal furniture but then like perfect.
Speaker 2: But also her mother that that now I'm remembering. The
Speaker 2: other thing that sort of makes her an underdog for
Speaker 2: me is that that her relationship with her mother, which
Speaker 2: is very difficult to watch, very at least, so I
Speaker 2: think that also helps make her an underdog. And so
Speaker 2: because it's it is always so so difficult to see,
Speaker 2: there's there have been so many shows on Bravo where
Speaker 2: you know that you see the parents and you're like, oh,
Speaker 2: I mean Sultan's mother to me, like that, that's a
Speaker 2: really really tough relationship. And Kenya more uh yes, father,
Speaker 2: remember Curtis. I that I'm remembering so clearly because I
Speaker 2: just started rewatching Atlanta. You did well.
Speaker 3: Yes, Just this morning, I had their alter Ego photo
Speaker 3: shoot episode was playing from like season two when we
Speaker 3: we they got their alter ego and that's when they
Speaker 3: played don't be tidy for the party in the car
Speaker 3: because Kim fell at the alter Ego party and she
Speaker 3: was all scraped up and she wouldn't go inside for
Speaker 3: the reveal anyway.
Speaker 2: So I just started watching it again. But there, you know,
Speaker 2: like with meeting it, I remember when watching that when
Speaker 2: I first aired, and her finding out that, you know,
Speaker 2: the guy that she thought was her father really wasn't
Speaker 2: her father.
Speaker 3: I just you know, I grew up in a even
Speaker 3: though I grew up in New York City and it
Speaker 3: was very sheltered. I guess, like I I didn't have
Speaker 3: I didn't know people who had that kind of relationship.
Speaker 2: And as it turns out, as an.
Speaker 3: Adult, a very close friend of mine, at her father's
Speaker 3: deathbed in the hospital, his last breath was letting her
Speaker 3: know that he was not her biological and then he died.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's true, true, Wow, and it when she was
Speaker 4: telling me the story, I was like, oh, she's writing
Speaker 4: this as a script, and she was like, this is
Speaker 4: what happened.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's shocking.
Speaker 1: And what did her mother have to say about that?
Speaker 1: Or was the mother also passed?
Speaker 2: No, the mother is alive. And I created a created
Speaker 2: tension and relationship.
Speaker 5: I would imagine, but he wanted he didn't want her
Speaker 5: to know until after he died because he raised her
Speaker 5: as she as the.
Speaker 2: Father, and so.
Speaker 3: She ended up then finding her real father who had
Speaker 3: passed away, but she became very close with his other children.
Speaker 1: I have, I have two three I have I know
Speaker 1: three people who late in life have gone on like
Speaker 1: twenty three and mes, you know, and they were adopted
Speaker 1: and found the you know, original birth family. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: are close with them now and all that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean it happens. So anyway, I'm sorry
Speaker 2: to take you on that. True.
Speaker 1: No, we were talking about Nanni. But remember like Ashley
Speaker 1: Darby had something similar, like she went to her dad's
Speaker 1: house and he refused to see her.
Speaker 2: Oh, vaguely. I remember my father as a big presence
Speaker 2: on the show. I'm not remembering her father at all. Yeah.
Speaker 2: And Nicole doctor actrinal Yeah, her dad, Yeah, I remember
Speaker 2: her dad and her dad he passed away. Yeah. Listen, parents, parents,
Speaker 2: We don't choose our parents.
Speaker 3: And it's really it's just heartbreaking for me to see,
Speaker 3: you know.
Speaker 2: And I come from a family with obviously, uh, there's
Speaker 2: a lot of service and drama in everybody's family. But
Speaker 2: at the core, at the heart of it, I grew
Speaker 2: up with two extremely supportive parents and when you see
Speaker 2: what other people endured, you know, growing up, or what
Speaker 2: they what they current the relationship with their parents as adults.
Speaker 2: It's just really really heartbreaking. And I know that a
Speaker 2: lot of times people are contemporaries will say, like I
Speaker 2: need to break.
Speaker 3: That chain, I need to housewives. We hear that, like
Speaker 3: I can't do the same. But I think it happens
Speaker 3: a lot because you only know why.
Speaker 1: You knew, Yes, Doug, how old were you when your
Speaker 1: father passed away?
Speaker 2: He died in twenty twelve, thirteen or fourteen years younger
Speaker 2: than I am now, very much an adult?
Speaker 1: Okay, Okay, I didn't know. I didn't know if he
Speaker 1: died when you were young.
Speaker 3: Fell in twenty ten, landed on his head New York City,
Speaker 3: and he had an inoperable hem a hem a tauma
Speaker 3: atoma came in his brain. They couldn't operate, see, so
Speaker 3: he was home in the apartment and my mom they
Speaker 3: he had to have twenty four hour care, and so
Speaker 3: they brought a hospital bed and put that in the
Speaker 3: in my parents' bedroom, and my mom kind of moved
Speaker 3: into the guest room, but in their little apartment in
Speaker 3: New York City for two years, around the clock, care.
Speaker 2: My dad was mostly non responsive. I mean, oh a
Speaker 2: little bit. Yeah, it was terrible. I mean that more.
Speaker 2: I spoke to him. That was on his birthday that
Speaker 2: he fell. I spoke to him that morning. He had
Speaker 2: been on the treadmill, he you know, he was working out,
Speaker 2: he went to the office. It was totally fine. And
Speaker 2: then that night, so it was very, very sad.
Speaker 3: He ultimately passed from pneumonia, put him into hospice at
Speaker 3: the hospital because he had a d n R. And
Speaker 3: so I was there when he passed, and I feel
Speaker 3: incredibly blessed.
Speaker 2: I was able to, you know, hold on to my sister.
Speaker 2: My mother, and I were there and we said goodbye.
Speaker 2: We played Frank Sinatra, and I associate my dad's passing
Speaker 2: as really a beautiful experience, and I am so lucky
Speaker 2: that I was able to be there. It just happened
Speaker 2: to be in New York when he got pneumonia, and
Speaker 2: they were like, it's happening.
Speaker 1: So oh god.
Speaker 2: That was twenty twelve.
Speaker 1: Wow. Well, I just always hear you talk about your
Speaker 1: mom the widow, which is always it's funny to me
Speaker 1: every time when you call her the widow. But she's
Speaker 1: so you know, with it and active, you know, at
Speaker 1: almost ninety years old, and she you know, goes to
Speaker 1: work and does her thing and does her walking, and
Speaker 1: she's tired.
Speaker 3: She doesn't go to work, but she does walk between
Speaker 3: four and five miles a day every day in Central Park.
Speaker 3: And she's taking classes at Fordham and so, you know,
Speaker 3: at her age, it's very important that you do things
Speaker 3: to keep your brain active. I mean, she takes these
Speaker 3: courses at Fordham and I said, what are you taking me?
Speaker 3: And she said, I can't remember, but she goes, you know,
Speaker 3: she walks to class and she is able to engage
Speaker 3: in conversation with it's at Fordham. There's a program called
Speaker 3: I think it's called College at sixty or College after
Speaker 3: sixty and it's like adult edution courses. But it's on
Speaker 3: the Fordham campus which is at Lincoln Center, which.
Speaker 2: Is very very close to my mom's apartment. So for me,
Speaker 2: I just love that she has a place to go
Speaker 2: and that she wants to go, and that she's so
Speaker 2: physically active is great.
Speaker 1: That's really cool. Now my next question I'm going to
Speaker 1: ask you is, now this is interview Doug time. What
Speaker 1: because since you are you know, artistic in an actor,
Speaker 1: what is what does your sister do? Because I'm wondering
Speaker 1: if you have two artistic children.
Speaker 3: So my sister is an attorney, but she's not a
Speaker 3: practicing attorney. My mom and I are pretty much the
Speaker 3: only non attorneys, uh in the entire extended family. Like
Speaker 3: my father, his two brothers, Uncle Pool and Uncle Bobby,
Speaker 3: they had a law firm called Buden Buden and Butten
Speaker 3: and then swear About. And then Uncle Bobby's son Harlan,
Speaker 3: he became an attorney. And Uncle Pool's daughter, my cousin's
Speaker 3: Ally and Pammy, they both.
Speaker 1: Became Do they all work at Muden?
Speaker 3: I think now, well, people, most of the Budens did Harman's.
Speaker 3: Now it's a different from altogether. Then they merged with
Speaker 3: their friends and it became Buden Rieseman, Schwartz and Goldberg.
Speaker 3: And now it's Buden cup for Berg and Bernstein maybe.
Speaker 3: And my cousin Harlan is still there.
Speaker 1: Doesn't roll off the tongue.
Speaker 3: No, But and my mother's father, my grand grandpa George,
Speaker 3: he was an attorney, so it was natural and they
Speaker 3: all all of the Budens, and I mean I think
Speaker 3: it's about nine or ten, they all went to Brooklyn Law.
Speaker 3: And when my cousin Pam, who was the youngest one
Speaker 3: to graduate from Brooklyn Law, when she graduated, it's it's
Speaker 3: sort of a tradition of Brooklyn Law, like if your
Speaker 3: sibling or parent went, they get to confer your degree
Speaker 3: or diploma on the stage.
Speaker 2: And cousin Pam, because my mom and I were there,
Speaker 2: they said, you know, Pamela Buden receives her Juris doctorate
Speaker 2: from sister Allison, class of whatever.
Speaker 3: Cousin Laura, my sister, class of whatever. Cousin Harlan, father Paul,
Speaker 3: uncle Jay, and lady said ladies and gentlemen, the Budens,
Speaker 3: And it was like my whole family up on the
Speaker 3: stage except my.
Speaker 2: Mom and me.
Speaker 3: So she she then practiced law. Most of them went
Speaker 3: into They were like, like, my cousin Pam was an
Speaker 3: a DA like out of law and order. She's in
Speaker 3: the public Is that a public assistant district attorney?
Speaker 1: Yeah, a public defender in Brooklyn. No, if you're a
Speaker 1: district attorney, that means you're a prosecutor.
Speaker 2: Right right.
Speaker 3: Most of them had tried cases in front of Judge
Speaker 3: Judy at one point or other. That was like a
Speaker 3: big Buden Badge of Honor that all had to appear
Speaker 3: in front of Judge Judy. But my sister now has
Speaker 3: like a corporate job. She works in Westchester where she lives,
Speaker 3: and she has more of a corporate like hybrid where
Speaker 3: she can stay home a couple of days a week
Speaker 3: and has to go into the office a couple of
Speaker 3: days a week.
Speaker 2: They met in law school. My brother in law is
Speaker 2: also an attorney.
Speaker 1: They should name a building or something there a Brook Law.
Speaker 1: It should be that to pay for that, Well, yeah,
Speaker 1: you have to pay for that, but you know there's
Speaker 1: enough lawyers there that everybody, everybody could throw in a
Speaker 1: couple of grand and slap your name on a bathroom
Speaker 1: or something or stall. Still just something, just something.
Speaker 2: Bench.
Speaker 3: She asked me to get a bench named after her
Speaker 3: in Central Park, and you know that's when you go
Speaker 3: to Central Park. Every single bench has a little plaque
Speaker 3: on it. But it's hugely expensive. I want to say
Speaker 3: fifty grand, but that that sounds even maybe it was
Speaker 3: only fifteen.
Speaker 2: Whatever it was. I was like, I don't have that,
Speaker 2: and I.
Speaker 3: Could just go to Amazon and order a plaque and
Speaker 3: I'll just double tape, you.
Speaker 2: Know, stop it and take a picture and be like, here, mom,
Speaker 2: here's your bench.
Speaker 1: Just you don't don't do that by your mother the bench. Parma,
Speaker 1: I agree, you got to get your mom the bench.
Speaker 1: There's a bench at the University of Oklahoma where we
Speaker 1: were this weekend celebrating my father in law's birthday. There's
Speaker 1: a bench there that has his name and his wife's
Speaker 1: name on it. Yeah, and so you go and you
Speaker 1: look at the bench and you point to the plaque
Speaker 1: and you take a picture.
Speaker 2: I love it. I think it's wonderful. I think.
Speaker 3: All the benches are spoken for in Central Park already.
Speaker 3: So I'm sure you go on some sort of weight list,
Speaker 3: but it truly it was like a cost prohibitive.
Speaker 2: I couldn't. I don't have it.
Speaker 1: I said, get on the wait list and tell your
Speaker 1: mom for her ninetieth birthday that you're on the wait
Speaker 1: list and you're trying to do it. And now your
Speaker 1: time may come off the wait list, and you'll say,
Speaker 1: put me back on the wait list. But she doesn't
Speaker 1: have to know that part, and she's not going to
Speaker 1: listen to this. No, that's true, that's true. Doud tell
Speaker 1: me what all you're doing, because I know you're on
Speaker 1: Jeff Lewis Live a few times a week and you're
Speaker 1: doing cooking kibbuz and what else is going on?
Speaker 3: Oh, that's basically it. I mean, I have like my
Speaker 3: regular work, I do the radio. I love doing cooking kibbits.
Speaker 3: I'm planning a vacation for late spring to go to
Speaker 3: Europe with see. My best friend who moved to Rome
Speaker 3: is Sal.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Sal Sal moved to Rome.
Speaker 3: Sal moved to Rome and wow it's been it's been
Speaker 3: very tough. But yeah, he moved to Rome and I'm
Speaker 3: gonna go visit him there. Uh, and then he and
Speaker 3: I are taking each other away for our birthday. So
Speaker 3: we're we're choosing right now between Croatia, which I've never
Speaker 3: been to but he's been, or Finland, which neither of
Speaker 3: us has been to before.
Speaker 1: Of our Croatia is just incredible, yeah.
Speaker 3: Same, But you don't want to go in the summertime
Speaker 3: because it's just to overrun with tourists.
Speaker 2: And cruise ships. Yeah, and too hot. So depending on
Speaker 2: when we go, maybe that will help decide. But he's
Speaker 2: also he's already been to Croatia, so I may have
Speaker 2: to save that for a different trip. I'll just take myself,
Speaker 2: but I have been wanting to go to Finland for
Speaker 2: many years. I love I love Scandinavia. I spent a
Speaker 2: fair amount of time in Sweden, sometime in Denmark, and
Speaker 2: just like two days of Norway, but Finland zero, so
Speaker 2: I'd like to check it out.
Speaker 1: You're very well traveled, and anybody that listens to you
Speaker 1: on the radio knows that you know all about the
Speaker 1: airlines and whatnot. And sometimes I wilsend dug a picture
Speaker 1: of my meal if I get a meal on a plane.
Speaker 2: I love to travel, I really, you know, it just
Speaker 2: reminds us of how big the world is, also how
Speaker 2: small the world is, But just seeing how different people
Speaker 2: approach life, and how you know, when you go to
Speaker 2: I don't know in China, how the mailboxes look different,
Speaker 2: just how different life can be everywhere else. It makes
Speaker 2: me both appreciate sometimes things that we have here that
Speaker 2: we take for granted, but also just how small minded
Speaker 2: we can be in our approach to things, just how
Speaker 2: different people do different things. Really just experiencing it through
Speaker 2: someone else's life. And that's why I always love to
Speaker 2: go to a farmer's market or definitely a small grocery store,
Speaker 2: even a big grocery store when you're traveling around the world,
Speaker 2: just you know, like I remember Sala and I were
Speaker 2: in Lisbon. We went to a grocery store and there
Speaker 2: were like three aibles of ten fish.
Speaker 3: We just we would never have here, and you know,
Speaker 3: so I just I find it fascinating.
Speaker 1: Well, and other people come here and they can't believe
Speaker 1: that we have choices of milk or ketchup or things
Speaker 1: like that. They're like, why would you have so many
Speaker 1: choices of these things? I'll tell you that Ingrid, You
Speaker 1: know Ingrid. We she went. She's gone twice now on
Speaker 1: these like big European cruises with their parents. So she
Speaker 1: goes as sort of you know, they want her to go.
Speaker 1: So she's you know, her people are Norwegian. She's from Minnesota,
Speaker 1: and they went to Norway on this last cruise. And
Speaker 1: first of all, she made a funny joke which was
Speaker 1: like I'm going to just stay here and claim political
Speaker 1: asylum because they have to accept me. My name is Ingrid.
Speaker 1: But she said in Norway that what they do in
Speaker 1: the winter months is this, the government will pay you
Speaker 1: to start a club. And if you start a club
Speaker 1: like a knitting club or a majong club or you
Speaker 1: know checkers. The government will fund your club because they
Speaker 1: want you to get out of your house and do
Speaker 1: things and be with other people and not hole up
Speaker 1: indoors when it snows so much. So she's like, can
Speaker 1: you imagine, you know, and it's also dark, yeah, and
Speaker 1: so dark that they want you to they want you
Speaker 1: to keep your mental health.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it bright. You know, in northern Europe in winter time,
Speaker 2: it just doesn't exist.
Speaker 1: And I was so fascinated by that. I was like, wow,
Speaker 1: it's like, yeah, it could be a wine tasting club.
Speaker 1: They don't care as long as you're doing something to
Speaker 1: interact with other people. Isn't that crazy?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 3: I mean that's the thing is like. Then they don't
Speaker 3: think twice about it, but to us it's crazy. Or
Speaker 3: the same thing in those Scandinavian countries where the parents
Speaker 3: get a year of maternity and paternity leave. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 3: there are a lot of pros and a lot of cons.
Speaker 3: I remember we were in Sweden and everybody was talking
Speaker 3: about how, you know, they got their free education and
Speaker 3: they get their free healthcare. And we ordered a round
Speaker 3: of drinks and we were like a dive bar and
Speaker 3: around it it was like a couple of hundred dollars
Speaker 3: and like beers, and they said, oh, yeah, well the
Speaker 3: tax on alcohol is one hundred percent, things like cigarettes
Speaker 3: and alcohol, and I guess some other things are one
Speaker 3: hundred percent because they say, you're like paying for the
Speaker 3: healthcare in advance that.
Speaker 2: But yeah, so that's I hope I never lose the
Speaker 2: wonder of traveling around the world, you know, wherever I go.
Speaker 1: I know, I hope that too, because I'm always if
Speaker 1: I'm ever thinking about going anywhere, I know that you're
Speaker 1: the person I can ask because you feel like you've
Speaker 1: been almost everywhere.
Speaker 2: The research it.
Speaker 3: No, that's that's the thing. Think of all. I've still
Speaker 3: never been to Key West in Florida.
Speaker 1: That is so crazy that you said that, because I
Speaker 1: have an either my husband's been a few times. He
Speaker 1: has a work trip he does there, like you know,
Speaker 1: every year or so, and I've never been. But now
Speaker 1: you're going to love this. So for Ingrid's fiftieth birthday,
Speaker 1: she's just turning fifty this year, a group of us,
Speaker 1: six or seven of us are going on a virgin cruise. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because we were just like, well, it's easy, it's not
Speaker 1: like crazy expensive. It's not like gross like Carnival, and
Speaker 1: it's all adults. It'll be fun. So a bunch of
Speaker 1: us are going. We can each get our own room,
Speaker 1: which I'll love. You have to share. I'll just be
Speaker 1: an adult. But the first office, Key West, Okay, you
Speaker 1: have to. You're so excited.
Speaker 2: A friend of mine from high school owns a restaurant there. Okay,
Speaker 2: it's like a breakfast lunch spot.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've never and I've never been, and every time
Speaker 2: somebody tells me they're going to Key West, and I say, go,
Speaker 2: say hi to Susie at the breakfast club two toh,
Speaker 2: and I love when people do, and they'll send me
Speaker 2: a picture because Susie and I were friends in high
Speaker 2: school and now she and her husband have this very
Speaker 2: successful you know. It's like a diner, like a like
Speaker 2: a casual breakfast eatery. Okay, but it's really on my list.
Speaker 3: And the problem is everybody I know has already been,
Speaker 3: and they all say, you would hate it. You're not
Speaker 3: gonna like it, it's not you're scene, but I still
Speaker 3: want to experience it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we're gonna we're literally doing like get on a
Speaker 1: hop on, hop off bus because there's we're only there
Speaker 1: a few hours. Yeah, and so we're like, why not,
Speaker 1: we don't know anybody. We're not going to be embarrassed.
Speaker 1: We'll just hop on, hop off.
Speaker 2: Give me your other ports of call.
Speaker 1: The others I'm telling you is one of these really
Speaker 1: tiny things. The other one is in Bimini, and that's
Speaker 1: where they have like their private islands, and you just
Speaker 1: go to the private island for the day and otherwise
Speaker 1: you just float around to the ocean.
Speaker 2: Don't say just Bimini, Like, that's not where Danielle Stow
Speaker 2: had her wedding or her bachelorette party.
Speaker 6: You know, you're right, it's her wedding with a big
Speaker 6: was it was it her wedding they all went and
Speaker 6: it has and they decided to play that joke on Marty.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the guy she was marrying.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they were like she's a pull both or whatever,
Speaker 3: and then he got angry and they're like, we're just kidding,
Speaker 3: We're just trying to but they really weren't kidding, and
Speaker 3: she was a bridezilla.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Is this when Margaret was like, your husband's in
Speaker 1: the pool, No.
Speaker 2: Your husband's in the pool.
Speaker 3: Was back in Jersey, Okay, this was when Yeah, it
Speaker 3: definitely was inbimity because it just flew into my head.
Speaker 3: PS I was on the phone. I was on the
Speaker 3: phone with a friend of mine today who reminded me
Speaker 3: that I reset his password for something and his password
Speaker 3: is your husband's in the pool on three and that
Speaker 3: that was because for whatever reason, I was resetting his
Speaker 3: password because he couldn't do it, and then he was
Speaker 3: going to log in to change it to something else.
Speaker 3: But what I said it to is your husband's in
Speaker 3: the pool one, two, three, And he said he never
Speaker 3: changed it. So that's fast word.
Speaker 1: That's not a bad idea actually for passwords, because you
Speaker 1: constantly have to change. You could just be like, it'll
Speaker 1: just be different. Bravo quotes.
Speaker 2: I use phrases for mine.
Speaker 1: My father in law password used to be on his
Speaker 1: WiFi because he's a geologist. Rocks are the stuff from
Speaker 1: which the earth is made. That's too long, and you
Speaker 1: try to do that on your iPhone, You're like, oh
Speaker 1: damn it, you know, yeah, God.
Speaker 2: Forbid on your like TV where.
Speaker 1: You have to you know, move Doug. That's going to
Speaker 1: be the downfall of our generation, is that doing it
Speaker 1: on the TV.
Speaker 2: You have to go.
Speaker 1: If there's one of my kids around. I hand it
Speaker 1: to them and they can do it so fast, and
Speaker 1: I'm like, em.
Speaker 2: A, where's back? And then I now have to switch
Speaker 2: to all caps?
Speaker 1: How do I switch to cat? Oh my gosh, this
Speaker 1: is going to be This will be the downfall of
Speaker 1: our generation. Between that and the remote that you can
Speaker 1: talk into that doesn't understand my accent. It's like, forget it.
Speaker 3: I just got a text Lap Corp Billing. See, I
Speaker 3: feel like this could be a scam.
Speaker 1: Well did you recently have any blood work done?
Speaker 2: Well? Yeah, I was in the er though.
Speaker 1: There you have it.
Speaker 2: That's Cedars.
Speaker 1: No, that's it's lap Corp. That's what it is.
Speaker 2: Here's what it says.
Speaker 3: It says lab Cork Billing Services. Welcome to lab Corp
Speaker 3: Billing reply, help to help stop to opt out.
Speaker 2: There's no other message, though.
Speaker 1: I would wait and see if you got an email
Speaker 1: where you click to pay the bill. All right, Doug,
Speaker 1: how is your kidney stone question mark?
Speaker 2: Growing? So I passed one.
Speaker 3: I passed the five millimeter, but I still have a
Speaker 3: nine millimeter stone in my left kidney, which is too
Speaker 3: big for the human body to pass. So I'm going
Speaker 3: to have it an electro shock, but it's e s WL.
Speaker 3: I forget what it's saying.
Speaker 1: Break it down.
Speaker 2: So you lay on the bed.
Speaker 3: They put you out well, because the doctor said, we can't.
Speaker 3: He's like, even if you take a deep breath, because
Speaker 3: obviously you can't move. And he said, even if you
Speaker 3: take a deep breath, all of your organs in your
Speaker 3: body sort of move. And he said, we're we're sending
Speaker 3: a shock wave strong enough to pulverize a rock. So
Speaker 3: if we hit something, we don't want to imagine what
Speaker 3: it would do to your organs. So they put you
Speaker 3: totally out, and then they zap it with this sound
Speaker 3: wave that will, in best case scenario, pulverize it to
Speaker 3: grains of sand, which I'll just pee out. Less ideal
Speaker 3: will be grains of sand and fragments which I'll just
Speaker 3: have to hass as very small kidney stones.
Speaker 2: Least ideal would be that doesn't break up at all.
Speaker 2: And that's it. Oh, February twelve.
Speaker 1: I'm going to write that down so I can make
Speaker 1: sure that I check on you that.
Speaker 2: Day from tomorrow surgery. I have to be there at
Speaker 2: five thirty in the morning. Oh, here it is. It
Speaker 2: stands for extra extra corporeal shock wave LIT the tripsy
Speaker 2: and retrograde in triinal surgery.
Speaker 1: E sw l Okay, I'd be under before what.
Speaker 2: Just for a colonoscopy when they give you that little propofol.
Speaker 1: But I'm going I'm going under on Friday. I can't wait.
Speaker 2: I've never had surgery. What are you doing.
Speaker 1: I get these back injections where they go in and
Speaker 1: they and you're only under for like five minutes. So
Speaker 1: they put you under so they could do like a
Speaker 1: dal or nerve inblasion or something. It's great. I love it.
Speaker 1: And then you can just sleep for like a couple
Speaker 1: hours when you get home. It's wonderful.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well they said this is general I don't know
Speaker 2: what they use for general anesthesia, but whatever it is.
Speaker 1: That you'll be under. Oh Doug, I'm excited for you.
Speaker 2: Yeah. And then and then I go home that day.
Speaker 3: They yeah, I can't drive myself, so I have a
Speaker 3: friend who's going to pick me up. And then in
Speaker 3: theory again, if all goes well, when I wake up,
Speaker 3: I'll just They said, there may be some blood in
Speaker 3: my urine for you know, up to a couple of weeks,
Speaker 3: depending on what is.
Speaker 1: Oh, my gracious Doug, it is, but it is.
Speaker 3: But remember to send me your home address so I
Speaker 3: can have one of these into Doug.
Speaker 1: Do you have an Amazon list like I have an
Speaker 1: Amazon list?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Have you put that on there? No?
Speaker 2: I guess I should. You should that way to Amazon
Speaker 2: dot Com, slash shop, slash Doug beautiful. It's mostly cooking,
Speaker 2: kid it stuff. Yeah, when I use something specific or
Speaker 2: a certain potter pan. But I put my bird buddy
Speaker 2: in there. Maybe I did put this. I don't think
Speaker 2: I did. I only got this on Monday. Okay, yeah,
Speaker 2: I try, especially because people will.
Speaker 3: I have been copying and pasting to people's dms, like
Speaker 3: you know, what is that bird buddy or what is
Speaker 3: that humidifier you were talking about? And then somebody showed
Speaker 3: me how to do it on Amazon, so then I
Speaker 3: can just.
Speaker 2: Send one link. Yeah, I need to copy. I need.
Speaker 3: I don't need to go to Amazon find it, copy
Speaker 3: the link and paste it. I've been doing that for
Speaker 3: every single person, and now it's much easier.
Speaker 1: It's hard to be an elder influencer like you are.
Speaker 2: Thank you, dearie.
Speaker 1: Everybody make sure there say that again.
Speaker 2: I'll point out you're older than I am still there.
Speaker 1: You know what, I don't need to talk about that.
Speaker 1: You guys, make sure you're following Doug beaton at Doug.
Speaker 1: He's very funny, he's a full delight. And on Thursdays
Speaker 1: you can watch him on at Cooking Kibbitts that one
Speaker 1: day I'm hoping to be on.
Speaker 2: Hey, well, when you're in La.
Speaker 1: Next time I'm in La, I'm coming over and uh
Speaker 1: that's it. Make sure you're following me at Pink Shade
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Speaker 3: I think you were the first podcast I ever went on.
Speaker 2: Weren't you?
Speaker 1: I think I was. And we did it at the
Speaker 1: Mosaic Hotel.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I don't think I had ever been on a podcast
Speaker 1: before twenty nineteen.
Speaker 2: Oh, I think you were the You're my.
Speaker 1: First, not the last, not the last.
Speaker 2: All right, So good to see you.
Speaker 1: So good to see you. Everybody, make sure you're following
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