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Speaker 1: Well, well, well it did not take long. Moses Etama

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delivers and we're ready to talk about it on the

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Fight Freaks United Recap pod. Hello, welcome back in on

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the pod feed. I am merely the somewhat capable host TJ. Reeves.

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Fight Freaks Unite is the substack of one Dan Rayfield,

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our insider. Fight Freaks Unit is the newsletter as well.

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It's also a podcast. Thank you for finding us as

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we're ready to review off the weekend here anything prominent

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that goes on right now. It's lean in August, but

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at least we have this to talk about tonight. Thank

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you for hanging out with us. However you found us

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on Applespreaker, Spotify, any other podcast outlet, Big Dan. Since

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you and I have talked, I have gone back and

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forth to Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. I did visit Willie Stargel and

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Roberto Clemente because you are my baseball nostalgia contemporary. I

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visited their statues outside the downtown P and C Park

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in Pittsburgh. You know who hit me up, Eric Raskin,

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our mutual buddy who still writes for Boxing Scene and

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did a bunch of different stuff for HBO etc. His

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daughter is about to go to the University of Pittsburgh,

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and he's like, when are you and Pittsburgh. We're coming

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to Pittsburgh to take her to college. It turns out

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I was leaving as he was getting there this weekend

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to move her into the University of Pittsburgh. But he

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listens to the pod. He heard us talking. He heard

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me saying that we were gonna be there, and we

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were waxing about heavyweight nostalgia with Larry Holmes and Ronaldo

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Snipes and Jersey Joe Walcott and Ezra Charles and Pittsburgh.

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And now I have been to Pittsburgh.

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Speaker 2: And back me, said Texa with Raskin.

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Speaker 1: There you go. He's got a college I believe incoming

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freshman at Pittsburgh who knew? And I've been to Pittsburgh

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and back. Good to be with you. I believe the

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setup to this podcast took longer than what Moses E.

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Tama did to Dillian White. How about that for the segue,

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I gotta tell you, I'm in the press box at

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the Steelers Stadium, Akroschure Stadium. What was heinz Field? I

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have the fight up the the Desonne pay per view up.

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I have it up in the press box. I got

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four or five people watching. I now have to do

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a live rayfield. I have to do a live radio

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segment for the Buccaneer pregame show. I say to two

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of my colleagues, this could be over in the first round.

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I turn around, I'm doing the segment and one of

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my radio buddies we're on video hook up, is waving

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at me like this, and I turn and look and

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he's going like this over. I'm making the gesture for

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the pod audience. He's like waving under his road over over.

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I'm like, it just started and it was over that quick.

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I can't say that I am that surprised. I believed

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he would get to him and get to him early.

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Did I think, what's the official time? What one fifty something?

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I didn't know it was fifty nine seconds, but he

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mowed him down. Let's start right there with Etama and

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the lore kind of build. We wondered, this is his

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biggest name fighter, what would happen? We got an answer

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in two minutes.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, listen, you just don't know until the fight happens.

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I mean, there was a lot of conjecture one way

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or the other. I think most people, whatever you thought

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that the time would be the winner. But there was

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a lot of sentiment because Dylan White, to his credit,

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came in in tremendous condition, the lightest he had been

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by seventeen pounds compared to the fight he had back

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in December, and I was looking down his box wreck.

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It was the lightest he'd been, not just in the

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last you know, like since December for a fight that

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was not that long ago. This was the lightest this

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man has been in many, many, many years. I mean,

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if you go back, you know, and Dylan's always been

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around the same weight. He's never been like super heavy

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or you know, come in like a rail. But it

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had been it had been seven or eight years since

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he'd been around to forty for a fight. So that was.

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Speaker 1: The point in time in the proceedings. And you love

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me for this where I say stay tuned for the

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postfight drug test on the weight loss ped I mean,

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stay tuned.

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Speaker 2: He was two hundred and forty pounds. This was the

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lightest he had been since he weighed two forty, even

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for a fight that took place in twenty twelve. So

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there's that, okay, but more importantly, he was seventeen pounds

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lighter than the tet To fight that happened to December.

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So it seems clear to me based on that, based

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on seeing the way that he had conducted himself in

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the lead up to the fight, that he took the

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fight seriously. But he's also thirty seven. He has won

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three fights in a row going into this fight, but

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not against the top top names. But he did have

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the win over Tette and he survived the tough slug

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fest he had to win over Jermaine Franklin, which is

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not totally insignificant. You know, that was a pretty solid

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victory form, But there's just something to be said when

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you're fighting a man that's twenty years old and you're

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thirty seven. You've been through the wars. And by the way,

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this discussion of this fight will take way longer than

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the fight itself, as you mentioned, besides just the introduction

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to the segment. But this is really all about mosesy Tomma,

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not so much about Dylan White. As far as Dylan

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White goes, Look, he's had a good career from like

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twenty sixteen. In twenty nineteen, he went on a really

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outstanding run of about seven fights in a row where

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he beat all kinds of good names and put on

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good performances. You know, two wins against JESSOORI beat Derek,

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he beat Joseph Parker, Lucas Brown, Robert Helenius, when it's

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still sort of meant something. Oscar Reeves, who was very

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good at that time. We all know about his ped

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issues that cloud some of the situation, and even in

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the losses they were against the very, very lead. So

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now he's got four losses, all by knockout. But when

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you think about the company that Moses Tama is in,

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here are the men who have knocked out Dylan White,

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and it took them longer. Yes, Dylan is older Anthony

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Joshua ten years ago Alexander Pavetkin on a one shot

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knockout in a fight that that Pavetkan was losing. And

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then of course the World Championship fight where he got

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ravaged by Tyson Fury in a much much anticipated, much

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long awaited mandatory title fight. And now he comes back

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and in his next loss it's a one rounder less

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than two minutes against Moses the time. At the bottom

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line is Moses the Tomas the future of the division.

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Now the question, it's like his trainer Ben Davison was

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speaking about after the fight, you know, all respect to

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Dylan White, we're stilling out there trying to chase rounds

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because now this man has had twenty six rounds as

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a pro, and they're talking about putt him in with

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Alexander Usig. Now we'll get to that in a minute.

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But you can't say anything negative about Moses's performance. I mean, look,

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I'm not sure how this happened. Moses was clearly the

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A side of the promotion, but they had him walk

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to the ring first, and they showed Dylan White their

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respect to be last, and so Moses made his way

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to the ring and then they made him. Dylan White

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made him wait literally like six plus minutes in the

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ring that I thought, I'm watching, like the uh, I'll

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date myself. I think I'm watching, you know, Kevin Kelly

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in the ring at Madison Square Garden waiting for Prince

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Nasima mid to make his entrance for his American debut.

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In any event, a lot of times you go, you're young,

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you're twenty, it's your biggest moment. You're the main event, right,

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you know, you're now standing there waiting and maybe the

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you know, your mind wanders, you got some things you're

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thinking about. Maybe you know, doubt creeps into your mind

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while you're waiting, and you know, I'm sure that's part

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of the reason that that White tried to do. That

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was to sort of you know, freeze him, so to speak.

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You know, you call the time out on the kicker

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before the big kicking in a football game.

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Speaker 1: The intent was as you're getting to the punchline. It

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did not work.

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Speaker 2: It didn't work, but I'm saying so that's the maturity

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of a twenty year old and Moses Atoma. And then

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he went out there and he did the business. He

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took about you know, I don't know, forty five seconds

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to sort of get the lay of the land, I guess,

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which is reasonable. And then he just started to let

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his hands go when when Dylan couldn't get a jab

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going whatsoever. In the coffee box stats, they credited Dylan

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White landing all of two punches, both to the body,

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which means he did absolutely no damage and whatsoever and

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anything in the you know, the minute and fifty nine

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seconds at the fight that lasted. But the punch that

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really did it was the first big shot that Moses

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landed was a left hand and it really discombobulated him.

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Speaker 1: Him kind of on the top of the head.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it again. It's sort of like temple, like you said, temple,

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Speaker 1: It was.

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Speaker 2: A shot that sort of was the beginning of the end.

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And obviously, you know, Dylan is a veteran. He's hung

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in there for a little while longer, but that that

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shot sent him into the ropes a little bit. And

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a lot of times a guy like especially he doesn't

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have that kind of experience against that level of an

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opponent might sort of admire their work and be like, oh,

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I just got him with a good shot here in

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the first round. But Toma was very mature about the

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way he went him at his business said he just

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went right to him. You know, he landed some jabs.

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I thought he did a great shot because he also

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went to the body and he basically made White grab

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onto the ropes to steady himself. And that's a bad sign.

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Speaker 1: The biggest thing is Dyllian White did not throw a

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single punch back after that left discombobulated Hi, because ive

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watched a couple times, didn't take that long to watch.

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He didn't throw a single punch, not one, and he

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did not grab e Tom. He was not even he

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had no legs, like you mentioned here, not able to

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move out of the ways. Was target practice at the

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very end.

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Speaker 2: And he dressed so he's grabbed onto the ropes to

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steady himself, and like you said, there was no ability

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to grab it hold. I'm not sure it would have

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work because he would have to take another shot try

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to get into him. But he you know, a time

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he went to the to the to the body with

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the right hand. He as the south bus, so it

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was you know, a cook to the body. Landed a

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few more shots, and then came another big left that

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was sort of a sweeping shot that once again really

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hurt Dylan White had him sagging into the ropes and again,

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and Toma didn't sit there and admire his work and say,

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you know, I'm the man and I think I've got him.

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He just continued to do what he was was was

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trained to do, which is continued to throw punches, and

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finally that right hook landed and it sent him just

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crashing down to all four. He basically skittered sideways and

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landed on all fours on the on the canvas. Now,

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he got up relatively quickly. He was up by about

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seven six or seven of the referees count and at

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that point and I'm like, okay, I mean, the fight's

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probably gonna be over soon. But he got up quick,

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so maybe he'll be able to go on. But then

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like that, in a quick second, he kind of staggered

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backwards and like and fell into the ropes and and

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he lose your balance when you rise, and that's an automaticy.

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Speaker 1: And the eyes you could tell, and the ref's closer,

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but you could tell on the replays.

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Speaker 2: Even thing about the eyes, I just thought because he said.

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Speaker 1: To me he did not look like he was there.

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He got up, he stumbled back, he didn't look like

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he was there. And the ref again his two feet

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in front of him or a foot in front of him,

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going that's it.

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Speaker 2: I'm not gonna go wait, look stops over. But the

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you know why Dylan White, the way I described in

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the piece I wrote on the on my sub stack

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is that Dylan White offered a mild protest at the stoppage, which, uh,

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I think that was more just his pride than than

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the notion he could actually go on with the fight.

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was impressive, because even if he thought he was in

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getting out of the early, I don't know if you're

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betting two minutes. I mean, that seems a little bit

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a little harsh on Dylan White. And on the other hand,

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I would have liked to see a tom of get

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into the second or third round of the fight, because

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now they're back in the same position. So we'll get

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to that in a minute. But as far as Dylan

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White goes, look, he's had a heck of a career,

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ups and downs. He would have fought for the title,

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beloved fighter in Britain, had his problems with the peds,

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et cetera. But he goes into this fight. This is

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his last time in a top level fight. Now, whether

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he fights again or not, who knows. I would hope

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he'd retire. If he does continue to fight, it won't

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be at this level. It won't be for that kind

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of money or that kind of profile. Not sure what's

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left for him. He's got, you know, a wife and kids.

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You know, let him go live a happy life. And

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I'm sure you could find something within boxing because he

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does that popular and one thing, you'll never have to

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buy a drink again, that's for sure. So you know

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he brought he gets brushed aside to some degree, and

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now you'll be really think about what's next for Etama.

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Now there's a lot of ways that can go. My friend, uh,

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Turkey Alchik wants from the fight Alexanderusik. That's very clear

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because when you see the Ring Magazine put up that

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the Ring Magazine has learned that Turkey would prefer that fight.

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That's Turkey's publication.

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Speaker 1: Rights, and that's coming from the man himself, of course.

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Speaker 2: So and then, by the way, it's not even like

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a secret because he had said in public comments leading

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into the fight that if if he was the winner,

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and this is post Usak having defeated Daniel Dubois, that

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he would like to see that fight happen.

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Speaker 1: And let's let's cut to the chase. I think we

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need to see another fight to see if somebody else

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puts some resistance and are there some rounds, and if

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Atama destroys somebody of caliber let's put it that way.

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Somebody like a Philip Pergovich who was on this card,

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and we're gonna talk about a minute, then I think

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that's enough for me to say at this moment, give

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him a shot, give him a shot. I want to

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see one more and not Usik next. What would you

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say to that?

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Speaker 2: I agree with that sentiment. I try and I said

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this before Tama won this fight, and I'm gonna continue

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to stand on my soapbox. I strongly believe and strongly

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prefer to see Usik fight his mandatory defense, not because

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it's mandatory, even though that's part of it, to keep

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the title unified so it doesn't become a situation like

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what happened with the IBF that forces a hand with

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Dubi where he had to fight him again for the

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undisputed title they already had won against Tyson Ferry. Fights

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your mandatory against Joseph Parker. He deserves it, he's got

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the resume, he's got the name recognition among boxing fans,

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especially in the UK. That's the fight to make, and

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it's the mandatory fight.

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Speaker 1: Clarify, clarify one thing, because I think fans are interested

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in this. Okay, Frank Warren was mentioning this, if Usik

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is in fact hurt, like they've notified the WBO and

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can't fight this fall, hypothetically, would Atama be a viable

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option under the rules and the rankings to fight Parker

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and maybe they go ahead and call it the full

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WBO title or if in front of Etama, where that

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cannot happen under the WBO rules, what do we know.

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Speaker 2: If the w If Alexander Usik has an injury and

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he submits the proper paperwork of the WBO and they

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accept that, then they'll simply extend the length of time

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he has to make the mandatory all right, and Joseph

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Parker would be allowed to defend the interim title. Uh

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but if you're Joseph Parker, why are you gonna fight

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an Atama when you might get a chance to fight Usik.

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So I'm not sure how that's gonna work out. But

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Atama deserve it or not. Is ranked I believe number

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one in the WBO, okay, whereas and Parker's the interim

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and obviously okay surreal champion Azusik. So but but but

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put all the politics of that aside, I agree that

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Atama should have at least one more fight against a

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reputable guy to get out of the maybe the first

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or second round. You know, I kind of feel like

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and I was there covering all this, so you know,

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it was like I'm having flashbacks. Before Deontay Wilder fought

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Burmain Severn for the WBC title, he had knocked out

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everybody early and he hadn't even fought anybody as good

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as Dylan White for that man, He just bought a

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bunch of absolute nobodies for the most part. And so

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I remember covering that fight in Las Vegas when he

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was fighting for the heavyweight title, a mandatory, A lot

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of people thought he didn't really deserve because he hadn't

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fought anybody, And so the big talking point was can

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he go rounds with a reputable because I mean, I

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know Burmains Tavern is not going with the Hall of Fame,

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but at that time he was a top you know,

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three or four heavyweight in the division and uh and

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was undefeated or no, I had one loss, but it

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was years earlier. Anyway, The point was can he go rounds?

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And how is he gonna do if he has to

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go past five or six where he'd never been past

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that length before in like you know, almost thirty fights.

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Probably well, he ended up winning decision against Bermains Tavern

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and he proved the point. People were like, well he

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did that, and there were some that were like ragging

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on me because he didn't get the knock him, Like he

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can't have it both ways. We wanted to go to

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dis and show some stamina.

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Speaker 1: And if I'm not mistake, it broke his hand for

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one of the many times he broke his hand broke

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in the fight. He broke. He broke his hand in

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the fight and still went twelve and won the fight.

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Speaker 2: I'm just saying Atama is in a scenario that's similar.

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You want to see him extended and tested. Uh and

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then if he does get extended and tested, people are

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going to be disappointed. So he needs another fight. You

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mentioned that Hergovic's okay, that's the type.

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Speaker 1: Let's go right to that.

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Speaker 2: Oh no, I don't want to go right to that.

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I want to get to the co feature second. But

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as far as the heavyweight opponent he should fight, it

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could be anybody like that. It could be a Hergovic,

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And there's you know, I don't think cabs taking the fight.

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Speaker 1: Hang on I'm producing the show. I'm producing the show

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now on the fly. Why would we not talk about

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Herkovic while we're talking about Hergovic maybe fighting IAmA. I

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did not see the Hergovic fight. Did Hergovic look good?

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Is that viable? Is that realistic? If IAmA has another

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opponent lined up? Or what do you what do we

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think on the basis of.

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Speaker 2: Viable? And now whether the whether the Hergovic team will

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take the fight or not, you're gonna have to the

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problem also is anybody that's gonna be willing to get

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in the ring with him now, is going to ask

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for crazy money. They're gonna they're gonna go to Turkey

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or whoever's putting on the fight, Frank Laarren, and they're

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gonna be like, you know what, you want me to

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fight that fucking beast, you better fuck and you know

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and if you're Philip Herkovich or any other top level heavyweight,

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you know you're gonna have to get paid.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but I mean, does Herkovic have a looming huge payday?

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Other than that, it seems to make sense here we

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go with logic and boxing.

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Speaker 2: Here's something to do with a looming payday? Philip Herkovic

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is a is a highly ranked fighter in the various organizations.

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But I mean he's got one loss. He can get

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other fights.

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Speaker 1: But he could demand a large sum of money to

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fight ATAMA, and that's a compelling fight.

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Speaker 2: It's my point. Anybody that's gonna fight at Tama is

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gonna command a lot of money at this point. Now,

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if you want to talk about the Hurgovich fight next, fine.

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It was a tremendous battle, hell of a fight probably

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that was not probably absolutely one hundred percent was the

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fight of the night, all right. He won a ten

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round decision against David Adelaie. These were two guys that

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had one loss apiece. They fought their last fights were

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on the same show together. Remember it was Hurgan that

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she had defeated. He had gotten the victory over Joe Joyce.

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Uh and uh, and there was Adelaid that was on

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that undercart and it was uh. He thought that it

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was sort of a controversial stoppage against TKV and the

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British Boxing Board ordered to rematch. He's like, you know what,

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fuck that, I'm taking the much higher profile, bigger, a

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bigger profile, bigger money fight against my man Philip Herkovic

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and these guys went to battle. You know, it looked

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like hergitch might get him out of there kind of quick.

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But Adelaid showed a lot of heart, a lot of chin,

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a lot of a lot of ability to punch back.

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And so even though scores run out very wide, it

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was like, which I thought was reasonable, I thought I

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have on my sparker. I had eight rounds to two.

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But every round Adelaide was in the fight was giving

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him a lot of trouble. I shouldn't say trouble, but

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he was landing punches. The biggest thing about that particular fight, though,

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was in the second round Adelie landed a clean, clean,

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clean jab right on Philip Herkovic's eye, his right eye.

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That was a similar place where he had been cut

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in the fight against Daniel Dubois that ended up, you know,

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getting stopped on cuts because he had multiples. So all

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of a sudden, you're in the second round of this

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ten round fight and the blood is just pouring out

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of the cut, pouring down your face. There's now urgency

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time out at the beginning around three to have the

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doctor come and check the cut. You're like, okay, you know,

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and it was clearly a punch and was not going

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to be a no contest because of an accidental foul.

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So you're wondering how long is this fight gonna last?

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And you know what, he is trained by Abel Sanchez now,

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who people may know from his years ago, he was

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known as the trainer for the Hall of Famer Terry Norris.

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In more recent times he had a high profile as

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the longtime trainer for Gnati Glovkin. One thing about Abel Sanchez,

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who I've known my entire career, one of the few

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trainers these days, it acts as his own cutman also,

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like when he does when he works with a fighter,

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he is their trainer, but he's also the cutman. And

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he did as all star job as you can possibly

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do in the corner in that fight. He got that

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blood under and it got to a point after about

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four or five rounds where they'd go back to the

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corner and there wasn't even any below to take care

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of because he had done such a good job of

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controlling it with the you know, the the materials that

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they use on the swabs, and so the cut did

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not become an issue. And so Herkovic is just pounding

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away and he's winning the fight. And then they had

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the eighth round. Now you see that, DJ, I.

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Speaker 1: Have not seen the eighth round again, I've been in Pittsburgh,

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but be in a fog. Tell me about the eighth.

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Speaker 2: I mean, it was a fucking battle royal. It's probably

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the you know, a top candidate for the round of

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the year right now. Herkovic did score a knockdown in

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that round, and you're like, okay, maybe he's going and

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Adela was kind of hurt on the He got up quick,

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but he was definitely hurt from the punch he went down.

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And when he got up, You're like, Okay, Hrkovich is

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now going to go in there and get to kill

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and he's going to stop this guy. And he kind

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of got a little I talked earlier about how Moses

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tom and didn'admire his work, and he went right to

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the guy. I think Philip Pergovic kind of got a

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little lack of days ago and kind of was impressed

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with himself with what he was doing to David Adelai,

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and David Adelay was like, yeah, here you go, take

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this right back. And he had him also, you know

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a little bit later in the round, had had Hurgovic badly,

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badly hurt. I was surprised that Phelap Pergovich did not

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go down. He was beating the living shit out of

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him in that round. It was like amazing that he

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actually was able to get it out of the round.

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At the very end of the round he finally came

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back a little bit and scored a big punch against Adelaide.

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But there was other than the knockdown. There was about

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maybe like I don't know, thirty seconds or maybe even

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a little longer where Adelaie is just you know, teeing

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off on Hrgovic and they're You're like, this is wild stuff.

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And in the end he you know, they both survived

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and Hergovich rightfully won the decision. But really good, fun,

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exciting heavyweight fight. I think David Adelai, even in the loss,

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even though it was wide on the car, just because

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00:21:46,640 --> 00:21:48,920
the heart that he showed and the ability to hurt

474
00:21:49,200 --> 00:21:53,480
Arkovic the way he did, his status rises to a degree. Hergovich,

475
00:21:53,559 --> 00:21:55,160
you know, we all know what he's all about. He's

476
00:21:55,200 --> 00:21:58,519
not gonna value with his technical skills, but he can

477
00:21:58,799 --> 00:22:00,559
he can bomb, and he can take a shot and

478
00:22:00,960 --> 00:22:04,319
you know, shows uh shows an entertainment, uh, to the

479
00:22:04,319 --> 00:22:07,240
fans who watched. So I feel like that's exactly what

480
00:22:07,279 --> 00:22:10,680
you want. So a good rumble. Yeah, both guys elevated,

481
00:22:10,680 --> 00:22:11,519
whatever the results are.

482
00:22:11,640 --> 00:22:14,680
Speaker 1: So with the Herkovic damage to the eye and having

483
00:22:14,720 --> 00:22:17,559
a wild eighth round and a ten round fight, do

484
00:22:17,640 --> 00:22:21,119
you believe what we know that that might delay him

485
00:22:21,160 --> 00:22:24,640
possibly being the next Atama opponent. Not so much financially,

486
00:22:25,039 --> 00:22:26,519
but because this was a pretty.

487
00:22:26,559 --> 00:22:28,799
Speaker 2: Well Hurrioch is gonna be out I mean battle. Yeah,

488
00:22:28,839 --> 00:22:30,039
he's gonna be out for a little while. I mean

489
00:22:30,039 --> 00:22:32,880
I texted with his manager, Keith Connelly. Uh, he had

490
00:22:32,880 --> 00:22:35,000
to have some plastic surgery on the cut. He's gonna

491
00:22:35,000 --> 00:22:36,640
be out for a few months. This is not like

492
00:22:36,680 --> 00:22:38,279
a nick and he's gonna be able to get back

493
00:22:38,279 --> 00:22:41,319
in training to you know, to a top level degree

494
00:22:41,319 --> 00:22:42,640
in the next you know, a few weeks. This is

495
00:22:42,680 --> 00:22:45,519
a couple of months, so you never know, if you know,

496
00:22:45,680 --> 00:22:50,079
come December November. I mean it's possible, I suppose, uh.

497
00:22:50,119 --> 00:22:53,319
But there's a lot of guys, uh that they'll probably

498
00:22:53,359 --> 00:22:56,559
offer the fight to, uh for for Moses Etoma, And

499
00:22:56,559 --> 00:22:58,000
it's a matter of who are they gonna pick. I

500
00:22:58,000 --> 00:23:00,319
don't I think at this point, you know, any of

501
00:23:00,319 --> 00:23:05,799
the top heavyweights who are otherwise not already let's say already, uh,

502
00:23:06,720 --> 00:23:08,880
you know, have a fight coming up, Like, I think

503
00:23:08,880 --> 00:23:10,799
they'd probably be willing to fight just to that anybody.

504
00:23:10,799 --> 00:23:13,119
I mean they he and and I appreciate this from

505
00:23:13,119 --> 00:23:15,279
my time, and he was pretty cool about this. He

506
00:23:15,599 --> 00:23:18,400
didn't act like, you know, all high and mighty. He's like, look,

507
00:23:18,680 --> 00:23:22,720
I understand that Joseph Parker and Cabo, those two in particular,

508
00:23:22,759 --> 00:23:26,079
because they're mandatories and Joseph is next, that they've sort

509
00:23:26,079 --> 00:23:29,319
of earned their positions, right, And he understands that while

510
00:23:29,319 --> 00:23:32,119
he hasn't done that. He also makes the point well said.

511
00:23:32,119 --> 00:23:33,680
He said it after the fight as well as in

512
00:23:33,680 --> 00:23:36,000
my interview that we played on our podcast previous to

513
00:23:36,039 --> 00:23:38,000
the fight. You know, you don't get what you deserve,

514
00:23:38,039 --> 00:23:40,559
you get what you negotiate, which is a fair point, right, right,

515
00:23:41,680 --> 00:23:43,880
So he would say, he's like, I get that those

516
00:23:43,920 --> 00:23:46,039
guys are ahead of me. It's sort of in the

517
00:23:46,359 --> 00:23:49,160
in the hierarchy. But if I'm offered a fight, I'm

518
00:23:49,160 --> 00:23:51,480
absolutely would take the fight and I will be world champion.

519
00:23:51,839 --> 00:23:53,319
So if you take a look down the list of

520
00:23:53,359 --> 00:23:55,519
the top or you know, the top heavyweights, okay, and

521
00:23:55,559 --> 00:23:57,799
they're all vying to fight Oho Sick. But if they

522
00:23:57,799 --> 00:23:59,119
can't get us like Gard, they're going to fight a

523
00:23:59,160 --> 00:24:01,519
Tom Weill Caball as a guy that's in position. I'm

524
00:24:01,559 --> 00:24:03,960
not sure about that. You know, put to Watt to

525
00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:07,000
the side. He just got ruined by by Usik and

526
00:24:07,200 --> 00:24:09,519
you know the fight a couple of weeks ago Parker,

527
00:24:09,559 --> 00:24:12,920
we already discussed Fabio Wardley isn't a perfect situation. They're

528
00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:15,640
not gonna do that. He's right there knocking on the

529
00:24:15,680 --> 00:24:18,920
door of the mandatory Laurence so Coley is now with

530
00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:21,000
Frank Lauren. He's a former Cruiserweight champion.

531
00:24:21,079 --> 00:24:21,240
Speaker 1: Yah.

532
00:24:21,319 --> 00:24:24,039
Speaker 2: Maybe I'm not sure Akoley would do that. We'll see

533
00:24:24,319 --> 00:24:27,200
Anthony Joshua. That ain't happening for a thousand different reasons.

534
00:24:27,279 --> 00:24:32,039
Tyson Fury, that's not happening for a thousand different reasons. Hergevich,

535
00:24:32,200 --> 00:24:33,960
you know, is a possibility. I guess we got to

536
00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:35,480
see what's up with the cut. How long he's gonna

537
00:24:35,480 --> 00:24:38,200
be out for that? With that situation, you know, they

538
00:24:38,240 --> 00:24:41,039
put him in with Martin Baccoley, I'd take that. You know,

539
00:24:41,160 --> 00:24:43,200
Martin's doesn't have anything coming up. I mean, I know

540
00:24:43,240 --> 00:24:45,240
he got knocked out by Parker, but there'd be a

541
00:24:45,319 --> 00:24:47,200
way to That'd be a measuring stick kind of fight.

542
00:24:48,359 --> 00:24:50,440
I don't want to see him just beat up and

543
00:24:50,480 --> 00:24:53,519
pummel Derek Tasaura. That's a terrible fight for Tasaura. You know,

544
00:24:53,720 --> 00:24:56,359
the much loved who's got even more British love than

545
00:24:56,720 --> 00:24:57,559
Dylan White does.

546
00:24:58,559 --> 00:25:01,440
Speaker 1: Was there on the broadcast. Of course you saw Arabia.

547
00:25:02,160 --> 00:25:03,599
Speaker 2: You know you're gonna you're gonna put him in with

548
00:25:03,640 --> 00:25:07,759
the slowest molasses Zanzelais. I mean he would that the

549
00:25:07,880 --> 00:25:10,799
hand speed that Moses Atama has is so impressive, and

550
00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:13,960
and zaying maybe the slowest heavyweight among the top heavyweights.

551
00:25:14,279 --> 00:25:17,160
That would be a really serious problem in my opinion.

552
00:25:18,119 --> 00:25:19,640
I mean, you've just gone down the list. I mean,

553
00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:22,079
do you put him in with a Justice Hooney, who

554
00:25:22,119 --> 00:25:24,279
I know lost but gave a good effort. They've got

555
00:25:24,319 --> 00:25:27,839
about the same number of professional fights. I would I'd

556
00:25:27,839 --> 00:25:30,279
be okay with something like that. You know, I'm making

557
00:25:30,359 --> 00:25:32,319
point like you're gonna put him in with Joe Joyce

558
00:25:32,359 --> 00:25:33,720
to like send him in.

559
00:25:34,119 --> 00:25:36,720
Speaker 1: An fa A jagbas positioned right with the ib A

560
00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:40,519
correct so fighting Joma and that's not happening. Okay, Well,

561
00:25:40,559 --> 00:25:41,920
so those are the guys.

562
00:25:41,960 --> 00:25:44,680
Speaker 2: I mean, it's not like rocket science. There's only the

563
00:25:44,759 --> 00:25:48,920
small universe to discuss. But I know this, I need

564
00:25:49,079 --> 00:25:51,440
and want to see a Tama in the ring at

565
00:25:51,559 --> 00:25:55,559
least one more time against a reputable, legitimate heavyweight who's

566
00:25:55,680 --> 00:25:58,960
not fifty years old, who's not in the last fight

567
00:25:59,039 --> 00:26:02,079
of their career, somebody that's somewhere in that realm of

568
00:26:02,240 --> 00:26:04,880
like still a quality active guy. If you got to

569
00:26:04,920 --> 00:26:07,720
overpay him, you got to overpay him. And in the meantime,

570
00:26:07,920 --> 00:26:10,920
let Parker get his opportunity, all right, and then you

571
00:26:11,039 --> 00:26:11,279
move on.

572
00:26:11,599 --> 00:26:13,720
Speaker 1: All right, stay tuned on how it sorts out with

573
00:26:13,759 --> 00:26:15,920
the heavyweights. But certainly a Toma is exciting and the

574
00:26:16,039 --> 00:26:19,839
and the Brits are going crazy that it is on

575
00:26:20,039 --> 00:26:22,839
the trajectory like Mike Tyson. We're not saying that he's

576
00:26:22,920 --> 00:26:25,240
Mike Tyson, but there's hype around him and this this

577
00:26:25,480 --> 00:26:28,039
is a big deal in England in heavyweight boxing right

578
00:26:28,119 --> 00:26:30,599
now that he got that first round knockout coming off

579
00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:32,559
the weekend, all right, since I went out of the

580
00:26:32,599 --> 00:26:34,599
batting order. Now we go to the co feature and

581
00:26:34,799 --> 00:26:38,720
Nick Ball who won, But he had his hands full

582
00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:40,960
at their times in this fight. Give me more on

583
00:26:41,039 --> 00:26:42,440
the decision went over Sam Goodman.

584
00:26:42,839 --> 00:26:45,200
Speaker 2: Well, he he had his hands full because Sam Goodman

585
00:26:45,279 --> 00:26:47,319
showed that he was better than some people gave him

586
00:26:47,359 --> 00:26:49,839
credit for. He was moving up in wait from junior

587
00:26:49,880 --> 00:26:53,200
featherweight and uh, that was a great opportunity for me.

588
00:26:53,720 --> 00:26:55,200
You know, you kind of had to feel bad for me.

589
00:26:55,279 --> 00:26:57,279
He had gotten into a position where he was mandatory

590
00:26:57,759 --> 00:27:00,519
at junior featherweight in two different organizations. Had the fight

591
00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:03,599
set to challenge in a way. In December, he got

592
00:27:03,640 --> 00:27:06,759
caught in sparring. They rescheduled the fight for January. When

593
00:27:06,759 --> 00:27:08,720
he was able to spar again, they cut open again.

594
00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:11,279
This time they were like, fu were taking a different fight.

595
00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:13,839
So he got ast out of that position. He was like, well,

596
00:27:13,880 --> 00:27:15,440
what am I gonna do? I'm not getting a shot

597
00:27:15,839 --> 00:27:17,559
at the title at one twenty two for a while,

598
00:27:17,640 --> 00:27:19,519
so I'm going to move up and wait. He did

599
00:27:19,599 --> 00:27:22,200
his job. He took on a you know, a tune

600
00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:23,599
up type of fighter, you know, get used to the

601
00:27:23,640 --> 00:27:26,079
weight fight in Australia. He won that fight a couple

602
00:27:26,119 --> 00:27:27,440
of months ago, and then he got the fight with

603
00:27:27,599 --> 00:27:29,880
Nick Ball and he gave a great effort. Again similar

604
00:27:29,920 --> 00:27:31,519
to what I said to you about David A della

605
00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:34,640
adelaide in the fight with Herkovic. Even though Sam Goodman

606
00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:36,920
is the loser of the fight, he elevated himself in

607
00:27:37,119 --> 00:27:39,200
the loss because now you have to look at him

608
00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:41,160
as a guy that could be, you know, at least

609
00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:43,160
compete with any of the top featherweights in the world. Now,

610
00:27:43,279 --> 00:27:46,000
nick Ball, he won this fight. I mean I saw

611
00:27:46,079 --> 00:27:48,359
some people say, well, he was a robbery, he was

612
00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:51,160
a gift decision. That is a ridiculous. Nick Ball a

613
00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:53,839
thousand percent was the rightful winner of the fight. Now,

614
00:27:54,079 --> 00:27:55,640
if you want to argue with me, or if you

615
00:27:55,680 --> 00:27:58,240
want to argue that that the scores were not so perfect,

616
00:27:58,640 --> 00:28:00,759
I agree with you fair enough. One judge had at

617
00:28:00,759 --> 00:28:03,359
one fifteen, one to thirteen in favor of nick Ball,

618
00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:07,759
perfectly clear, legitimate fine score and seven to five for Ball.

619
00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:09,880
That seem reasonable for the record. I scored at eight

620
00:28:09,960 --> 00:28:12,720
rounds to four in favor of Nickball. But then you

621
00:28:12,839 --> 00:28:15,880
have the people that will take issue. One judge had

622
00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:18,759
it one seventeen to one eleven, that's nine rounds to three.

623
00:28:19,039 --> 00:28:20,599
One at at one to eighteen to one to ten.

624
00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:23,160
That's ten rounds to two. That seemed to be a

625
00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:27,400
little unfair against Nickball, but it was a competitive fight.

626
00:28:27,480 --> 00:28:27,680
Speaker 1: It was.

627
00:28:28,160 --> 00:28:30,279
Speaker 2: It wasn't a great fight, but it was a good fight.

628
00:28:31,759 --> 00:28:34,440
Nick Ball probably the reason why the judges scored as

629
00:28:34,440 --> 00:28:37,079
wide as they did. I haven't spoken to those judges,

630
00:28:37,119 --> 00:28:40,880
but having watched lots of boxing matches, nick Ball landed

631
00:28:41,279 --> 00:28:44,799
way more punches overall and threw a lot of punches

632
00:28:44,839 --> 00:28:47,519
compared to what Sam Goodman did, so that's gonna probably

633
00:28:47,599 --> 00:28:50,400
swaye them. But Sam Goodman's got nothing to be ashamed of.

634
00:28:50,799 --> 00:28:52,759
Nick Ball even said after the fight in his post

635
00:28:52,759 --> 00:28:55,359
a bit interview, this was not my best performance. He

636
00:28:55,480 --> 00:28:58,079
knows that he was in with a good opponent and

637
00:28:58,160 --> 00:28:59,759
maybe he didn't have the best night, but he still

638
00:28:59,759 --> 00:29:02,559
got job done and he'll be involved in some other,

639
00:29:02,680 --> 00:29:05,000
you know, title defense down the road. What level fight

640
00:29:05,079 --> 00:29:07,880
he can get, it's unclear, because you know, I don't

641
00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:09,720
think he's gonna get in a way right now. That's

642
00:29:09,759 --> 00:29:11,359
the fight I know that he wants and that Frank

643
00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:14,279
Warren would love to make, but that doesn't seem plausible

644
00:29:14,319 --> 00:29:16,519
at the moment unless he's gonna move up to twenty

645
00:29:16,599 --> 00:29:19,799
six for the supposed December fight if he beats Akmadaliav.

646
00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:22,079
But I don't know. Once you move up to twenty

647
00:29:22,119 --> 00:29:24,319
two to twenty six, I'm not sure. Go him back

648
00:29:24,359 --> 00:29:26,440
to twenty two, and that's obviously where the big fight

649
00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:31,480
with Nakatani is situated for the time being. So you

650
00:29:31,519 --> 00:29:33,599
know the other it's you know again, you can fight

651
00:29:33,640 --> 00:29:35,079
the guys who are there, the other champions and the

652
00:29:35,079 --> 00:29:37,839
featherweight there's at Steven Fulton, but he's supposedly fighting at

653
00:29:37,880 --> 00:29:40,599
one thirty Rafael Espinoza. That'd be a fine fight we

654
00:29:40,720 --> 00:29:41,200
discussed it.

655
00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:44,599
Speaker 1: With as tall as Espinoza is a squad I keep

656
00:29:44,680 --> 00:29:45,720
saying that his ball is but.

657
00:29:46,559 --> 00:29:50,960
Speaker 2: Two against about six feet. Angelo Leo is the IBF champion.

658
00:29:51,759 --> 00:29:55,359
Speaker 1: Bruce Carringtons might be an interesting fight if they could

659
00:29:55,359 --> 00:29:58,000
ever make that. Yeah, you know, and Nick Ball.

660
00:29:58,160 --> 00:30:00,599
Speaker 2: Shoe Shoe Carrington has the WBC in three Delton. Then

661
00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:03,279
we just had that card that we discussed a week

662
00:30:03,359 --> 00:30:05,160
or so ago that took place in Libya where merco

663
00:30:05,279 --> 00:30:09,680
Quao won the WBO WBA interim title, which actually makes

664
00:30:09,799 --> 00:30:12,759
him nick Ball's mandatory. So I'm not sure if there's

665
00:30:12,759 --> 00:30:14,640
any kind of interest to do that fight. That'd be

666
00:30:14,680 --> 00:30:16,640
a tough fight for Nickball in my opinion, because Quao

667
00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:20,319
is a real solid fighter with good power. We'll see

668
00:30:20,359 --> 00:30:21,920
what he can get as far as a big fight goes.

669
00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:23,759
But I'm sure Nick Bob will be back.

670
00:30:24,119 --> 00:30:27,119
Speaker 1: He's in fun fights, he's in exciting fights, and he's got.

671
00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:30,720
Speaker 2: He's been fighting the Saudi card, so he'll be okay.

672
00:30:31,079 --> 00:30:32,960
Speaker 1: And he fight and he fights in front of rabid

673
00:30:33,039 --> 00:30:34,920
fans in Liverpool. If he goes and has another title

674
00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:36,759
defense there, you'd have an atmosphere in the whole bit.

675
00:30:36,880 --> 00:30:39,480
All right, rest of the undercart, including a Raymond Ford

676
00:30:39,599 --> 00:30:42,119
win and what else in Saudi Arabia go ahead.

677
00:30:42,440 --> 00:30:44,559
Speaker 2: So the fight that preceded the nick Ball fight, and

678
00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:46,519
a lot of people question why was this fight so

679
00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:48,119
high up on the card, And the reason is because

680
00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:51,960
we're talking about the junior lightweight Hayato Susumi, who was

681
00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:56,319
a outstanding a Japanese prospect who is with the Saudis

682
00:30:56,359 --> 00:30:58,920
and Turkey. They've been putting on his fights. He fought

683
00:30:58,960 --> 00:31:00,519
on the card that was in Sauna you maybe I

684
00:31:00,559 --> 00:31:03,279
mean in Times Square back in May. That was his

685
00:31:03,359 --> 00:31:05,839
previous fight. The reason he was so high up the

686
00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:09,000
cart ahead of a more established fighter like a Raymond

687
00:31:09,039 --> 00:31:12,440
Ford and Abraham Noble, was because he has the distinction

688
00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:15,160
or the the the title, if you will. He is

689
00:31:15,359 --> 00:31:20,240
a ring magazine ambassador, so he gets some special privileges.

690
00:31:20,279 --> 00:31:22,640
I guess he's one of Turkey's favorites and so as

691
00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:25,599
the old saying goes, the membership has his privileges. So

692
00:31:26,119 --> 00:31:28,240
he was the higher up on the cart. He took

693
00:31:28,319 --> 00:31:33,880
on ashback from England, journeyman ish type fighter, and he

694
00:31:33,920 --> 00:31:35,799
absolutely pubbled him. He scored a third round knock and

695
00:31:35,839 --> 00:31:38,079
looks very impressive. You know, this guy is on the

696
00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:41,119
fast track, without a doubt about it, and he is

697
00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:43,240
a very impressive young fighter. Now he's now at this

698
00:31:43,400 --> 00:31:46,119
after this victory, he's now eight and zero with five knockouts.

699
00:31:47,519 --> 00:31:49,720
He is twenty six years old. He's right there at

700
00:31:49,759 --> 00:31:53,000
that point where you're you know, you're you're trying to

701
00:31:53,079 --> 00:31:56,480
distinguish yourself from prospect to contender. Still needs a little

702
00:31:56,480 --> 00:31:58,200
more work. It seemed to me he fights in a

703
00:31:58,240 --> 00:32:00,599
division where you can get you know, pretty decent guys.

704
00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:02,440
Who was fighting slightly over the one hundred and thirty

705
00:32:02,440 --> 00:32:06,119
pounds limit in this fight was one thirty two, and

706
00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:08,440
I'd like to see him continue to develop. So that

707
00:32:08,599 --> 00:32:10,519
was that was that particular fight. Then you go to

708
00:32:10,599 --> 00:32:13,240
the fight that was before that. That was the Herkovic fight,

709
00:32:13,279 --> 00:32:16,279
which we discussed, And before that was Raymond Ford, the

710
00:32:16,359 --> 00:32:19,640
former featherweight title older he was supposed to you know

711
00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:21,759
now he's fighting at one hundred and thirty pounds, was

712
00:32:21,759 --> 00:32:24,680
supposed to have the match against Anthony Kasachi, but Kasachi

713
00:32:25,039 --> 00:32:27,720
had the back injury, so that fight went by the wayside,

714
00:32:27,720 --> 00:32:29,359
and so they brought in Abram Nova on a few

715
00:32:29,359 --> 00:32:32,000
weeks notice. And you know, Novah was a solid veteran fighter.

716
00:32:32,079 --> 00:32:34,319
He fought a lot of good fighters. He fought for

717
00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:37,200
a title once he lost, but it was close. And

718
00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:40,160
this was if you're Abram Nova, this was sort of

719
00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:43,279
similar to what your issues were in other losses, where

720
00:32:43,680 --> 00:32:45,880
you are competitive but you kind of just did enough

721
00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:49,480
to lose. So I thought Raymond Ford looked pretty good.

722
00:32:49,519 --> 00:32:53,000
This was a pretty good fight. You know, it was competitive,

723
00:32:53,440 --> 00:32:55,079
but in the end it was clear that Ford was

724
00:32:55,119 --> 00:32:57,359
the winner. And you know, I guess Nova can just

725
00:32:57,519 --> 00:32:58,880
hang his hat and say, you know, I went the

726
00:32:58,960 --> 00:33:01,400
distance in a good fight. I was competitive. I lost

727
00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:04,119
to a guy that's a former world champion, and he'll

728
00:33:04,119 --> 00:33:05,839
get he'll get another Paity out of it. But I

729
00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:09,240
think his days where he's the A side, and that

730
00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:11,000
was not the case for this fight. That that ship

731
00:33:11,039 --> 00:33:13,759
has probably sailed. But Novah's gonna get anybody you put

732
00:33:13,839 --> 00:33:16,720
him in with at thirty. Uh, He's gonna give him

733
00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:19,599
a solid fight. You know, he's in boxing. Not everyone's

734
00:33:19,599 --> 00:33:21,599
gonna be the pound for pound guy. Not everyone's gonna

735
00:33:21,599 --> 00:33:24,079
be a world champion, but you need you need these

736
00:33:24,160 --> 00:33:26,480
types of veterans that can be in good fights, that

737
00:33:26,599 --> 00:33:30,279
can give competition, that can that can fit into the

738
00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:33,680
the hierarchy, and so you know, you always are gonna

739
00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:35,799
need opponents. That's what he is. He's a high level

740
00:33:35,839 --> 00:33:38,720
opponent for the top guys in one hundred and thirty

741
00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:41,839
pound way class. And it was a good fight, I thought.

742
00:33:42,319 --> 00:33:43,920
And then the opening fight on the card was the

743
00:33:44,039 --> 00:33:48,119
Saudi lightweight prospect Muhammad Alakal, who was another one of

744
00:33:48,359 --> 00:33:50,400
I guess Turkey's guys and one of the fighters that

745
00:33:50,799 --> 00:33:52,200
he likes, and he's been fighting on a lot of

746
00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:55,960
these Saudi Arabian cards. He is undefeated, but he finally

747
00:33:56,079 --> 00:33:57,759
I think he's now five and oh, he got his

748
00:33:57,839 --> 00:34:02,000
first knockout of his career. He knocked out an Indian fighter,

749
00:34:02,599 --> 00:34:04,880
Saptos sing in the first round. It was actually a

750
00:34:04,880 --> 00:34:07,680
pretty impressive performance. He got out of there real quick.

751
00:34:07,759 --> 00:34:10,840
And so now, as was the case before the fight happened,

752
00:34:10,880 --> 00:34:12,719
now they'll go forward with it. I don't think he

753
00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:14,960
got injured or anything. He'll now move on and he'll

754
00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:19,280
be on the Terrence Crawford Canelo Alvarez undercard September thirteenth

755
00:34:19,360 --> 00:34:22,840
in Las Vegas. So that was the rundown of all

756
00:34:22,880 --> 00:34:25,760
of the six fights on this particular show. I mean,

757
00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:28,559
for me, this was a very entertaining car top to bottom.

758
00:34:28,880 --> 00:34:31,559
Main event had interest because of the way that the

759
00:34:31,599 --> 00:34:35,719
Atama destroyed. Dylan White and Nick ballfight was a very

760
00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:38,559
good fight in the co feature to assume you look

761
00:34:38,639 --> 00:34:42,679
great in his performance. The heavyweight fight between Herkovic and

762
00:34:43,480 --> 00:34:45,800
at Dela was the best fight of the night by far.

763
00:34:46,199 --> 00:34:48,679
Contained a round of the year candidates, some drama, some blood,

764
00:34:49,119 --> 00:34:52,599
a knockdown. Raymond Ford and Nova gave a good account

765
00:34:52,599 --> 00:34:54,960
of themselves, made a good fight, and the young prospect

766
00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:57,800
Alacal with a great knockout in the opening fight. I mean,

767
00:34:58,199 --> 00:35:00,159
you know, wasn't the greatest card of all time? No,

768
00:35:00,239 --> 00:35:02,360
but it was a hell I mean, first sad happened

769
00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:03,559
in August. I'm good with that man.

770
00:35:03,599 --> 00:35:06,280
Speaker 1: They had some meat on the bone, absolutely a little

771
00:35:06,280 --> 00:35:07,800
bit of an expensive pay per view. And again, I

772
00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:09,159
don't know how many people cared in the middle of

773
00:35:09,199 --> 00:35:11,559
saurday afternoon in the United States. They certainly cared in

774
00:35:11,679 --> 00:35:15,079
prime time in the UK and in Europe with some

775
00:35:15,199 --> 00:35:18,239
of those names. But there you go. So we gave

776
00:35:18,280 --> 00:35:20,639
you a thorough recap of that cart in Saudi Arabia.

777
00:35:20,679 --> 00:35:22,559
Speaker 2: And that's that's the one thing though, TJ that I

778
00:35:22,639 --> 00:35:25,760
still can't get past, like for the dorks, like I

779
00:35:25,920 --> 00:35:28,480
dig it, you know, but it's it's kind of like

780
00:35:28,639 --> 00:35:30,559
if you if the tree falls in the forest and

781
00:35:30,599 --> 00:35:32,760
there's nobody there, does it make noise? So yeah, the

782
00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:35,519
fifty dollars pay per view that took place in Saudi

783
00:35:35,559 --> 00:35:38,639
Arabia at you know, mid afternoon in the dead of August,

784
00:35:39,719 --> 00:35:42,320
like who and and it's and it's only available behind

785
00:35:42,760 --> 00:35:44,639
you have to first have a subscription to the zone

786
00:35:44,679 --> 00:35:45,960
and then you have to buy the pay per view

787
00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:48,360
on top of it. So you're almost beyond a double

788
00:35:48,440 --> 00:35:51,480
paywall where the first zone is not in a lot

789
00:35:51,519 --> 00:35:54,280
of hole. It's not a lot of It's.

790
00:35:53,599 --> 00:35:55,480
Speaker 1: Stupid that they had it as a pay per view,

791
00:35:55,559 --> 00:35:57,400
much less that they were charging what they were charging

792
00:35:57,440 --> 00:35:58,920
in the United States for the middle of the day,

793
00:35:59,440 --> 00:36:03,440
especially on a night. I'm just telling you, Dan, everybody

794
00:36:03,679 --> 00:36:07,800
everywhere in the post game aftermath of my preseason game

795
00:36:08,039 --> 00:36:10,400
was interested in finding a device, a phone or an

796
00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:12,239
iPad to see what was going on in the UFC

797
00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:14,199
pay per view that was on the same day as

798
00:36:14,239 --> 00:36:17,039
this pay per view. So you got to understand, and

799
00:36:17,079 --> 00:36:19,760
maybe they don't care. Maybe they don't care. You know,

800
00:36:19,840 --> 00:36:21,679
they offered it, and whoever bought it bought it in

801
00:36:21,679 --> 00:36:24,599
the United States because again, this was a bigger deal

802
00:36:24,679 --> 00:36:28,000
in the UK, a bigger deal in Europe. We get that, but.

803
00:36:28,239 --> 00:36:29,800
Speaker 2: Holdout a second. The thing about it is, even in

804
00:36:29,880 --> 00:36:33,360
the UK, it's not like in America. The zone is

805
00:36:33,440 --> 00:36:37,280
in like, say, three hundred thousand ish homes, right, you know, subscribers.

806
00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:40,280
I keep saying homes because I'm used to the cable vernacular, right,

807
00:36:40,360 --> 00:36:45,199
but subscriptions among American devices. It can't be much more

808
00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:48,239
in Britain because there's just so many more people in

809
00:36:48,239 --> 00:36:50,320
the United States, you know, than compared to their and

810
00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:52,679
the Zone has been available in the United States since

811
00:36:52,719 --> 00:36:56,199
twenty eighteen. It only became available in the UK in

812
00:36:56,280 --> 00:36:58,599
the last you know what, maybe three years or so.

813
00:36:58,760 --> 00:37:03,000
So even if you took the worldwide audience of the show,

814
00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:06,440
it can't be that much, especially as a pay per view,

815
00:37:06,480 --> 00:37:09,320
So I don't get like. On the one hand, I

816
00:37:09,480 --> 00:37:11,679
appreciate that they went to the effort to make what

817
00:37:11,800 --> 00:37:15,760
I considered a very quality card that me as a fan, granted,

818
00:37:15,840 --> 00:37:19,440
a diehard, dorky fan, was really interested in. I was

819
00:37:19,519 --> 00:37:20,880
really excited to see it, Tom, and.

820
00:37:21,039 --> 00:37:24,000
Speaker 1: I would say this, this is total speculation. I would

821
00:37:24,079 --> 00:37:26,440
be surprised, even with what you're talking about, with the

822
00:37:26,519 --> 00:37:29,800
number of accounts that the Zone has, I would be

823
00:37:29,920 --> 00:37:33,519
surprised if in the UK this didn't have fifty thousand

824
00:37:33,599 --> 00:37:36,440
buys for that price because of the fight fans. Maybe

825
00:37:36,519 --> 00:37:38,280
it'll be right, maybe it didn't.

826
00:37:38,400 --> 00:37:41,719
Speaker 2: Now it was less money in Britain it was twenty pounds,

827
00:37:41,760 --> 00:37:44,639
deficantly less money, so many hounds there. But I would be.

828
00:37:44,760 --> 00:37:47,000
Speaker 1: Surprised if it wasn't at least that much because of

829
00:37:47,039 --> 00:37:49,519
the Rabbit fan base and the heavyweights and Dillian White

830
00:37:49,559 --> 00:37:51,320
having a name and a time. I'm having the buzz,

831
00:37:51,880 --> 00:37:53,679
but it's not like the to your point, it's not

832
00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:55,719
like they had three hundred thousand buys listen.

833
00:37:55,760 --> 00:37:58,000
Speaker 2: It wasn't like it was a Ricky Hatton fight on Skyboxer,

834
00:37:58,119 --> 00:38:01,840
New Anthony Joshua fight on Skybox Office. The one good

835
00:38:01,920 --> 00:38:04,239
thing though in Britain though, if it was going to

836
00:38:04,280 --> 00:38:06,280
attract the interesting, this is one of the reasons that

837
00:38:06,320 --> 00:38:09,280
they have to figure out the timing. This was a

838
00:38:09,320 --> 00:38:11,639
British theme card. So for the Brits, it was on

839
00:38:12,280 --> 00:38:14,719
at a time we're conduced to them used to being

840
00:38:14,800 --> 00:38:17,559
used to watching boxing wears. For the Americans, you know,

841
00:38:17,679 --> 00:38:20,679
the card started at twelve forty five PM. Main event

842
00:38:20,800 --> 00:38:23,679
was on around five thirty, which is just a weird time.

843
00:38:24,079 --> 00:38:25,800
I mean even when you were even when we were

844
00:38:25,880 --> 00:38:29,760
kids watching on the networks, boxing wasn't on at five o'clock.

845
00:38:29,840 --> 00:38:31,960
You watched a fight on a Saturday or a Sunday,

846
00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:34,880
it was on at like two o'clock and they just

847
00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:37,719
went right to the main event. Never were watching boxing

848
00:38:37,719 --> 00:38:39,920
at five or five thirty. That was just a weird right,

849
00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:43,360
No matter what that was, that was that was not

850
00:38:44,480 --> 00:38:45,360
of But there you go.

851
00:38:45,440 --> 00:38:47,480
Speaker 1: You got a thorough recap of that card. All right.

852
00:38:47,559 --> 00:38:52,559
Some fight news here, and things are cooking in the

853
00:38:52,679 --> 00:38:58,480
one and fifty four pounds junior middleweight division sans Boots inn'ce,

854
00:38:58,519 --> 00:39:00,360
which we talked about last week. There's some there's still

855
00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:03,599
some other interesting fights that are being kicked around. All right,

856
00:39:03,639 --> 00:39:05,960
so give me the updates on what we have going

857
00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:06,880
on at junior middleweight.

858
00:39:07,480 --> 00:39:09,920
Speaker 2: Well, as you know or anybody that follows this show

859
00:39:10,039 --> 00:39:12,280
and is a big enough boxing fans should understand, is

860
00:39:12,320 --> 00:39:14,039
that the one hundred and fifty four pound weight class

861
00:39:14,519 --> 00:39:16,960
right now is one of the best weight classes, if

862
00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:19,760
not the best weight class in boxing, not necessarily because

863
00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:22,079
it's got the biggest stars, but because it has a

864
00:39:22,159 --> 00:39:25,119
lot of quality guys that have been coming up in wait,

865
00:39:25,199 --> 00:39:27,960
guys that are there, guys that have established themselves. The

866
00:39:28,039 --> 00:39:31,480
title picture is sort of now wide open because of

867
00:39:31,519 --> 00:39:33,280
the fact that you know, it had at one point

868
00:39:33,400 --> 00:39:35,840
been an undisputed champion, you know, a couple of years

869
00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:38,960
ago with Charlote that's long gone, and so the title splintered,

870
00:39:39,039 --> 00:39:41,639
and you know, we've seen good matchups and so now

871
00:39:41,679 --> 00:39:45,079
we're at a point where if you ask me, there's

872
00:39:45,079 --> 00:39:46,760
a lot of good matches that are happening, they're about

873
00:39:46,800 --> 00:39:50,280
to happen. This would be the perfect kind of division

874
00:39:50,320 --> 00:39:52,360
where if somebody wanted to put the money behind like

875
00:39:52,440 --> 00:39:55,320
Turkey for example, to make a tournament and like just

876
00:39:56,280 --> 00:40:00,440
make the matches and let's put it exactly. But short

877
00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:03,000
of that, you've got some fights that are in the works. Now,

878
00:40:03,079 --> 00:40:05,800
none of these fights, to what my reporting tells me,

879
00:40:05,880 --> 00:40:09,400
are signed, are done, but they're in varying degrees of

880
00:40:09,480 --> 00:40:13,199
getting finalized and the expectations that they will happen. Obviously,

881
00:40:13,280 --> 00:40:16,400
anything can you know, mess those things up. But anyway,

882
00:40:17,320 --> 00:40:20,440
Sebastian Fandora is in the process of working out a

883
00:40:20,519 --> 00:40:22,400
deal or they're not. I shouldn't say them working on

884
00:40:22,480 --> 00:40:25,559
a deal. His side is done from what I am told,

885
00:40:26,360 --> 00:40:29,079
he may fight Keith Thurman. Thurman, I guess is tiding

886
00:40:29,159 --> 00:40:31,960
things up with PBC, who they all work with. And

887
00:40:32,079 --> 00:40:35,079
if that does get done, this would headline in October

888
00:40:35,159 --> 00:40:38,440
twenty fifth PBC Pay per View one Prime would take

889
00:40:38,440 --> 00:40:42,199
place at the MGM Grand Garden Arena in Lessing, and

890
00:40:42,360 --> 00:40:46,400
that is of the fights that Sebastian could fight. There's

891
00:40:46,440 --> 00:40:49,400
nothing wrong with that now, I know, he didn't fight Zias.

892
00:40:49,440 --> 00:40:52,920
For example, he ended up you know, having the rematch

893
00:40:52,960 --> 00:40:54,800
with Tim ZOOI looked really good in that fight, got

894
00:40:54,840 --> 00:40:58,679
to win. And now Thurman. You know, it's funny because

895
00:40:58,760 --> 00:41:01,599
Thurman and Zoo, we're supposed to fight each other. The

896
00:41:01,679 --> 00:41:04,079
way that Sofendora got his big opportunity was when when

897
00:41:04,119 --> 00:41:06,360
Thurman was out because of the injury and he beat

898
00:41:06,719 --> 00:41:09,159
Zoo in the first fight. And now he's coming back

899
00:41:09,199 --> 00:41:11,719
perhaps to get the guy that ended up dropping out

900
00:41:11,760 --> 00:41:14,519
to give him that opportunity in the first place. So look,

901
00:41:14,559 --> 00:41:16,880
Thurman is obviously not what he once was. He's a

902
00:41:16,920 --> 00:41:19,639
little older now, he's not coming off a huge lay

903
00:41:19,639 --> 00:41:23,800
off because he did just fight recently in Australia, so

904
00:41:24,440 --> 00:41:27,840
you know that's there's nothing wrong with that matchup. But

905
00:41:28,039 --> 00:41:29,800
again it's a young man's game and we'll see. But

906
00:41:29,880 --> 00:41:32,400
Thurman looked okay in his last fight eating get injured,

907
00:41:32,440 --> 00:41:35,039
so good for him. He's you know, he'll bring some

908
00:41:35,280 --> 00:41:36,639
pizazz and some sort.

909
00:41:36,440 --> 00:41:37,599
Speaker 1: Of he's got some name.

910
00:41:37,880 --> 00:41:39,800
Speaker 2: He'll bring some spice to the promotion as far as

911
00:41:39,840 --> 00:41:42,079
if they're trying to a pay per view, So there, yeah.

912
00:41:41,960 --> 00:41:44,000
Speaker 1: I mean, but again we keep going over this, and

913
00:41:44,039 --> 00:41:45,519
we're not gonna spend five more minutes on it. I

914
00:41:45,760 --> 00:41:48,199
don't see this as a headlining pay per view fight.

915
00:41:48,360 --> 00:41:50,400
It doesn't have the same intrigue even as the Zoo fight.

916
00:41:50,719 --> 00:41:52,719
And if they're gonna charge seventy nine ninety five or

917
00:41:52,719 --> 00:41:56,199
any nine ninety five, I get it. What are we

918
00:41:56,400 --> 00:41:59,960
doing here? But anyway, so would you say that we're

919
00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:02,440
are fairly close to hearing an announcement about that because

920
00:42:02,480 --> 00:42:04,320
you already have the date, you already have the place

921
00:42:04,320 --> 00:42:04,840
where I am.

922
00:42:05,320 --> 00:42:07,159
Speaker 2: I am told that PBC, if they can get it

923
00:42:07,159 --> 00:42:08,880
wrapped up, they'd like to put the tickets on sale

924
00:42:08,960 --> 00:42:09,320
next week.

925
00:42:09,960 --> 00:42:11,119
Speaker 1: How about that? Fans?

926
00:42:11,199 --> 00:42:13,039
Speaker 2: There you go, We'll we'll see if they well, we'll

927
00:42:13,039 --> 00:42:13,840
see if they get it done.

928
00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:16,320
Speaker 1: That is late October, right before Halloween.

929
00:42:16,440 --> 00:42:19,320
Speaker 2: Right, So now for that if this does in fact

930
00:42:19,360 --> 00:42:22,039
happen on October twenty fifth, one week before that, again,

931
00:42:22,119 --> 00:42:24,920
again it's not done. But as we discussed a while ago,

932
00:42:25,320 --> 00:42:28,880
we had the IBF had ordered u Bakram Martazeleev to

933
00:42:28,920 --> 00:42:31,719
make his mandatory defense against ericson Lubin. Erics and Lubin

934
00:42:31,760 --> 00:42:34,800
had won an eliminator against Holmes, and the two sides

935
00:42:34,840 --> 00:42:37,920
were negotiating the fight, but now apparently Lubin is not

936
00:42:38,000 --> 00:42:42,320
going to take the title fight against Bachram. Instead, they're

937
00:42:42,440 --> 00:42:44,880
in the process of trying to get a fight finalized

938
00:42:44,920 --> 00:42:48,360
between him to challenge Virgil Artis, who holds the WBC's

939
00:42:48,400 --> 00:42:50,719
interim delt. Virgil Ortiz has been looking for a big

940
00:42:50,800 --> 00:42:54,840
name opponent. Now that fight was there, but before the

941
00:42:54,920 --> 00:42:57,360
Virgil Artis and Golden Boyant de zone everybody would sign

942
00:42:57,400 --> 00:43:01,199
off on it. They had made an offer to Xander

943
00:43:01,320 --> 00:43:04,559
Zias and Top Rank for Virgil Ortiz to fight Zis.

944
00:43:04,639 --> 00:43:07,360
Zius was offered that fight. Now, usually it's the champion

945
00:43:07,440 --> 00:43:09,480
that makes the offer, but in this case it was

946
00:43:10,119 --> 00:43:12,800
the Ortiz team that did so they're the ones that

947
00:43:12,920 --> 00:43:15,440
have the TV contract right now. Top Rank does not

948
00:43:15,599 --> 00:43:18,039
have any particular deal, so I'm not sure they had

949
00:43:18,079 --> 00:43:22,960
an ability to fund that fight, and they gave Zius

950
00:43:23,000 --> 00:43:25,159
and his team I believe it was till five o'clock

951
00:43:25,280 --> 00:43:28,440
on Friday to agree to the deal. It was going

952
00:43:28,519 --> 00:43:31,880
to be fifty to fifty. Virgil Ortis put out a

953
00:43:32,039 --> 00:43:35,599
picture of the of the memo between Eric Gomez and

954
00:43:36,440 --> 00:43:39,719
somebody from from Top Rank or for his team about

955
00:43:39,760 --> 00:43:42,880
it in any event, that was not accepted, and so

956
00:43:43,079 --> 00:43:45,159
Plan B for Virgil because they're looking to get him

957
00:43:45,159 --> 00:43:47,519
a big fight for you know, October November, but it

958
00:43:47,559 --> 00:43:49,360
will be October eighteenth if they get it wrapped up

959
00:43:49,599 --> 00:43:51,480
to go with ericson Lubin. So he's not going to

960
00:43:51,519 --> 00:43:54,960
take the Backrum fight apparently, I'm you know, I'm okay

961
00:43:54,960 --> 00:43:55,119
with you.

962
00:43:55,199 --> 00:43:59,039
Speaker 1: Is there just not money to make a Bachrum world

963
00:43:59,159 --> 00:44:01,920
title fight with Lubin and this is better money? Let me,

964
00:44:02,360 --> 00:44:03,840
I mean that's that seems to me to connect the

965
00:44:03,880 --> 00:44:05,239
dots here, it's more money's.

966
00:44:04,920 --> 00:44:07,800
Speaker 2: Gonna there's a combination of things. One Bakraum is a

967
00:44:07,880 --> 00:44:10,800
dangerous fight you don't get you can get a title

968
00:44:10,800 --> 00:44:13,239
out of it, yes, but he doesn't have name recognition,

969
00:44:13,280 --> 00:44:15,360
he's not that well known and he doesn't bring a

970
00:44:15,440 --> 00:44:18,400
big fan base. But more particular to that, his promoter

971
00:44:18,920 --> 00:44:21,920
main events is in the wilderness. They've got they have

972
00:44:22,039 --> 00:44:24,639
no ability to offer the money. They've got nothing going

973
00:44:24,760 --> 00:44:28,599
right now. They they work essentially with pbc UH and

974
00:44:28,719 --> 00:44:30,760
so they don't have the ability to make a bona

975
00:44:30,840 --> 00:44:33,239
fide offer to do the fight on their own, and

976
00:44:33,280 --> 00:44:35,679
they've got the champions. So again It's nothing against main event.

977
00:44:35,760 --> 00:44:37,920
They've been one of the top promoters for decades.

978
00:44:37,960 --> 00:44:40,840
Speaker 1: It just something against them that they can't get a

979
00:44:40,880 --> 00:44:42,840
deal for their guy to fight anybody after that great

980
00:44:42,920 --> 00:44:45,760
victory that I witnessed in person against Zoo, which was

981
00:44:45,880 --> 00:44:48,400
last October, and he hasn't had a fight since then.

982
00:44:48,960 --> 00:44:50,840
So it can't make a deal happen for Backram.

983
00:44:51,079 --> 00:44:52,599
Speaker 2: But it's not they can't make a deal. Who is

984
00:44:52,639 --> 00:44:53,360
going to pay for it?

985
00:44:54,719 --> 00:44:55,559
Speaker 1: Well, that's what I mean.

986
00:44:55,639 --> 00:44:55,800
Speaker 2: Though.

987
00:44:55,880 --> 00:44:58,840
Speaker 1: They can't get a deal with a broadcaster for the

988
00:44:58,920 --> 00:45:02,119
money they want, with the opponent they want, And obviously.

989
00:45:02,199 --> 00:45:05,639
Speaker 2: There's no broadcaster out there that I'm aware of right now.

990
00:45:05,880 --> 00:45:08,159
You can correct me if I'm wrong. That's putting out

991
00:45:08,159 --> 00:45:09,920
a license fee for somebody to bring them a fight,

992
00:45:10,400 --> 00:45:14,360
with the exception if you bring them a mega event Netflix.

993
00:45:15,320 --> 00:45:18,519
Who else is out there buying one off fights, right Nobody?

994
00:45:18,960 --> 00:45:22,079
Speaker 1: So they have got to be aligned with somebody, exactly.

995
00:45:22,159 --> 00:45:25,119
It's obvious the Lubin camp, you can say what you

996
00:45:25,199 --> 00:45:27,400
want about maybe not as dangerous, but Ortiz is a

997
00:45:27,480 --> 00:45:30,079
dangerous puncher. They must be getting as much or or

998
00:45:30,719 --> 00:45:33,599
maybe even better money to fight Virgil Ortiz, And that's

999
00:45:33,599 --> 00:45:34,199
why they're doing it.

1000
00:45:34,280 --> 00:45:36,000
Speaker 2: I don't know what the numbers are, but they're probably

1001
00:45:36,039 --> 00:45:38,039
getting something. Obviously they wouldn't be they're not doing it

1002
00:45:38,119 --> 00:45:40,159
for charity, so anyway, but the point is you've got

1003
00:45:40,599 --> 00:45:43,159
in the works hopefully gets done. I guess Virgil Ortiz

1004
00:45:43,239 --> 00:45:46,440
against Lubin for October eighteenth, one week later would be

1005
00:45:46,480 --> 00:45:49,559
the pay per view with Fondora and Keith Thurman. Xanders

1006
00:45:49,679 --> 00:45:52,599
Ias and his people apparently have turned that down. No surprise.

1007
00:45:53,000 --> 00:45:55,639
Top ranks plan, whatever their platform is, even if they

1008
00:45:55,679 --> 00:45:57,760
don't have a platform, they're going to have this young

1009
00:45:57,840 --> 00:46:00,559
man defend the title for the first time in Puerto Rico,

1010
00:46:00,920 --> 00:46:03,760
and you know, nobody's gonna they don't care what we think.

1011
00:46:03,800 --> 00:46:05,880
They're gonna find an opponent and they're gonna make them

1012
00:46:05,880 --> 00:46:07,880
a superstar in Puerto Rico and they'll do their job

1013
00:46:07,960 --> 00:46:11,239
with that. Besides that, back up to the Canelo Crawford

1014
00:46:11,360 --> 00:46:14,719
undercard on September thirteenth. Another junior middleweight fight of note

1015
00:46:14,800 --> 00:46:17,639
also that seems to be on the verge of being finalized,

1016
00:46:17,679 --> 00:46:21,599
and that is Serrey Boachuk against Brandon Adams. There's some

1017
00:46:21,760 --> 00:46:24,400
intrigue in that to be on this undercard. Because while

1018
00:46:24,440 --> 00:46:27,199
Boachuk has a couple of losses, the first loss he

1019
00:46:27,280 --> 00:46:29,840
suffered was by a TKO against Adams in their first

1020
00:46:29,880 --> 00:46:32,159
fight in twenty twenty one. So this would be a

1021
00:46:32,280 --> 00:46:36,400
rematch with him having the opportunity to sort of, you know,

1022
00:46:36,960 --> 00:46:39,360
get all even if he can. You know, Adams has

1023
00:46:39,400 --> 00:46:42,159
been a guy that has been very inactive, but he's

1024
00:46:42,199 --> 00:46:46,320
been a good fighter, he was on the contender, engaging personality,

1025
00:46:46,440 --> 00:46:48,280
just for whatever reason, hasn't been able to get any

1026
00:46:48,320 --> 00:46:51,119
steady work. And so for him to go and have

1027
00:46:51,239 --> 00:46:54,039
this rematch, that'll be interesting and that'll add some depth

1028
00:46:54,119 --> 00:46:58,679
to the Canelo undercard with Crawford that while it's good,

1029
00:46:58,880 --> 00:47:01,199
I don't think it's all start undercard, but this adds

1030
00:47:01,280 --> 00:47:05,239
like another pretty intriguing fight because of the position that

1031
00:47:05,400 --> 00:47:09,000
Boachuk has gained since that loss, and because it's also

1032
00:47:09,559 --> 00:47:13,400
another good matchup in a very hot division. I like said,

1033
00:47:13,400 --> 00:47:14,920
I think the division one to fifty four is one

1034
00:47:14,960 --> 00:47:16,880
of the best divisions in boxing, if not the best

1035
00:47:17,239 --> 00:47:19,960
in boxing, and that's you know, it's a depth fight,

1036
00:47:20,039 --> 00:47:22,280
if that makes sense. Even if Boachuk, you know, he

1037
00:47:22,360 --> 00:47:24,440
lost recently, there's no no harm in that, so what

1038
00:47:25,639 --> 00:47:25,880
and so.

1039
00:47:26,039 --> 00:47:29,400
Speaker 1: That adds to the Canilo undercard. So we've got September

1040
00:47:29,840 --> 00:47:32,880
and then potentially two of them in October. That mattered.

1041
00:47:32,880 --> 00:47:35,039
They're at one hundred and fifty four pounds and.

1042
00:47:35,159 --> 00:47:37,360
Speaker 2: At some point I'm sure that Xander's Eyes will fight

1043
00:47:37,440 --> 00:47:38,400
before the end of this year.

1044
00:47:38,920 --> 00:47:42,880
Speaker 1: And when do we get Bakram back in the ring, well.

1045
00:47:42,760 --> 00:47:45,599
Speaker 2: They'll Here's the thing about Bachram, if well back back

1046
00:47:45,639 --> 00:47:47,360
to Boichuk. First of all, he has won two fights

1047
00:47:47,400 --> 00:47:49,599
th row since his loss. He gave Virgil of Artis

1048
00:47:49,639 --> 00:47:51,639
a very close fight in that majority decision, and he

1049
00:47:51,719 --> 00:47:56,000
had Virgil Ortiz down twice in the fight. So you know,

1050
00:47:56,199 --> 00:47:58,199
draw your own comparisons when all these guys are are

1051
00:47:58,480 --> 00:48:01,039
fighting with each other. Right as far as Bachram goes,

1052
00:48:01,679 --> 00:48:04,079
if Lubin in fact does pull out of the mandatory

1053
00:48:04,159 --> 00:48:06,800
and he does go forward and make the match elsewhere

1054
00:48:07,119 --> 00:48:08,920
and decides to go with the virgual Artise fight, the

1055
00:48:09,000 --> 00:48:11,880
DIBF will go down what I consider terrible ratings in

1056
00:48:11,920 --> 00:48:14,519
the IBF, and the next available guy that they would

1057
00:48:14,559 --> 00:48:16,960
probably order to do the fight is Josh Kelly from

1058
00:48:17,000 --> 00:48:21,679
the UK. I mean Josh Kelly, and no offense to me,

1059
00:48:21,840 --> 00:48:25,079
Josh Kelly and Botham. That's like, what did you call it?

1060
00:48:25,239 --> 00:48:27,920
What'd you what was the Yeah, the.

1061
00:48:27,920 --> 00:48:29,679
Speaker 1: Freight train is coming, get off the tracks.

1062
00:48:29,800 --> 00:48:32,920
Speaker 2: You're saying, that's that freight train fight. That's a freight

1063
00:48:33,000 --> 00:48:36,159
train fight. I don't even know Josh Kelly and his team.

1064
00:48:36,159 --> 00:48:39,159
He's with Washerman Boxing in the UK. He fights his

1065
00:48:39,280 --> 00:48:41,840
fights on Channel five over there. I don't know if

1066
00:48:41,840 --> 00:48:43,000
they're going to take that gamble.

1067
00:48:44,159 --> 00:48:47,760
Speaker 1: Uh. Moving on news about Liam Parro and his return

1068
00:48:48,039 --> 00:48:51,320
also in September. What what is the latest?

1069
00:48:52,440 --> 00:48:55,119
Speaker 2: So the latest with Paro He is a couple of

1070
00:48:55,199 --> 00:48:58,599
fights removed from when he lost the Junior Wealthy Right

1071
00:48:58,679 --> 00:49:01,559
belt that he had UH by a split decision to

1072
00:49:01,639 --> 00:49:05,199
Richardson Hitchins. That was last was at December of twenty

1073
00:49:05,360 --> 00:49:08,760
twenty four. After that he moved up but a little

1074
00:49:08,760 --> 00:49:10,960
bit over the weight, not to the full fledged welterweight division,

1075
00:49:11,000 --> 00:49:12,920
but he fought at one hundred and forty three or

1076
00:49:12,920 --> 00:49:15,599
one hundred and forty four pounds. This was back in June.

1077
00:49:15,639 --> 00:49:17,280
He's signed with No Limit, which is one of the

1078
00:49:17,599 --> 00:49:20,159
top promoters, if not the top promoter in Australia these days.

1079
00:49:20,480 --> 00:49:23,039
He got a win a couple months ago then they

1080
00:49:23,079 --> 00:49:25,239
announced that he had signed with the company and so

1081
00:49:25,480 --> 00:49:28,239
his next fight will be in IBF welterweight eliminator, so

1082
00:49:28,280 --> 00:49:30,760
he's going to fight the full fledged welterweight. This is

1083
00:49:30,840 --> 00:49:33,679
for the mandatory, so this will be to earn a

1084
00:49:33,760 --> 00:49:37,159
title shot. He'll fight the undefeated David pop Pote who

1085
00:49:37,239 --> 00:49:40,159
was from France, who thirty zero and one and Paro

1086
00:49:40,320 --> 00:49:43,320
just has the one loss against Hitchins. He's twenty six

1087
00:49:43,360 --> 00:49:45,039
and one with sixteen knockouts. So they're going to do

1088
00:49:45,119 --> 00:49:49,360
this fight. It'll take place September eighteenth in Brisbane, Australia

1089
00:49:49,519 --> 00:49:52,119
or in that in that area of Australia, and it's

1090
00:49:52,159 --> 00:49:55,119
going to be it's a great opportunity for Parro to

1091
00:49:55,159 --> 00:49:57,320
put himself in or Popot if he's the winner, to

1092
00:49:57,360 --> 00:50:01,280
fight for the title. The IBI is that organization that will,

1093
00:50:01,880 --> 00:50:04,760
you know, follow those rules if you will. The title

1094
00:50:04,840 --> 00:50:07,679
at welterweight currently is vacant. It will soon be filled

1095
00:50:09,360 --> 00:50:11,679
and we'll see, you know, if Paro can put himself

1096
00:50:11,679 --> 00:50:13,960
in that position or you know, I mean, obviously the

1097
00:50:14,039 --> 00:50:16,719
fight's being built around Paro because it's in his home country.

1098
00:50:17,239 --> 00:50:19,559
It's his you know, it's his crowd it's his promoter,

1099
00:50:20,159 --> 00:50:23,039
so no offense to the opponent, but it's obviously built around.

1100
00:50:23,119 --> 00:50:25,679
Speaker 1: It's it's set for him to have a big night

1101
00:50:26,480 --> 00:50:28,840
and and then be relevant in the welterweight division.

1102
00:50:28,920 --> 00:50:32,239
Speaker 2: So again, the winner of that fight would become the mandatory.

1103
00:50:32,360 --> 00:50:34,760
Then they have the welterweight vacant title which is being

1104
00:50:35,280 --> 00:50:39,519
contested between Lewis Crocker and Patty Donovan the week before that,

1105
00:50:39,679 --> 00:50:42,960
So that fight's on the thirteenth, So when Powow has

1106
00:50:43,039 --> 00:50:46,920
his fight in Australia, those guys will already know who

1107
00:50:47,039 --> 00:50:49,400
the new champion is. That the winner will then become

1108
00:50:49,440 --> 00:50:51,920
the mandatory for that makes sense understood.

1109
00:50:52,039 --> 00:50:55,679
Speaker 1: And then one more note on a mantus Stanionis and

1110
00:50:55,880 --> 00:50:58,360
his return, and that's also in Septom. What do we

1111
00:50:58,480 --> 00:50:59,039
know about this?

1112
00:51:00,039 --> 00:51:02,599
Speaker 2: So Stanionis, you know, he's been in the news a

1113
00:51:02,679 --> 00:51:06,119
bit because of the conversations about how terrible the Boots

1114
00:51:06,159 --> 00:51:08,760
mandatory of the Boots Ennis return fight is as he

1115
00:51:08,840 --> 00:51:11,119
moves up to one fifty four, because every time that's

1116
00:51:11,159 --> 00:51:13,920
mentioned like he's coming off of his biggest win that

1117
00:51:14,119 --> 00:51:16,400
was the April fight against Stanionis where he knocked him

1118
00:51:16,440 --> 00:51:20,920
out to unify the belts, and Stanionis hasn't fought since

1119
00:51:20,920 --> 00:51:24,039
then either. As it turns out, because Ennis's fight is

1120
00:51:24,119 --> 00:51:26,840
not until in October, it actually means that the guy

1121
00:51:26,920 --> 00:51:29,079
that lost to fight in Stanionis will be back in

1122
00:51:29,119 --> 00:51:30,880
the ring first a couple of weeks at a time.

1123
00:51:31,280 --> 00:51:33,960
So Stanionis is gonna fight at one hundred fifty pounds.

1124
00:51:34,000 --> 00:51:36,639
He announced this his team on their social media in

1125
00:51:36,679 --> 00:51:38,719
the last couple of days. He's gonna fight at one

1126
00:51:38,760 --> 00:51:40,280
to fifty. I don't know if that means he's going

1127
00:51:40,360 --> 00:51:42,760
to ultimately go to fifty four or just because not

1128
00:51:42,840 --> 00:51:44,559
a title fight, he's still looking to maybe try to

1129
00:51:44,800 --> 00:51:47,559
win a title back at welterweight. In any event, he's

1130
00:51:47,599 --> 00:51:51,639
fighting a fighter from South Africa. McKenzie. I can't say

1131
00:51:51,679 --> 00:51:53,880
I've heard him a sixteen and two record with eight knockouts.

1132
00:51:55,320 --> 00:51:57,159
But the thing that's interesting to me is, you know,

1133
00:51:57,320 --> 00:52:01,239
Stanionis is like a national hero in Lithuania, his home country.

1134
00:52:01,280 --> 00:52:04,559
He was an Olympian for that country in boxing in

1135
00:52:04,760 --> 00:52:08,239
twenty sixteen, and even though he's had sixteen professional fights,

1136
00:52:08,480 --> 00:52:11,599
he's never fought in his home country. So the carrot

1137
00:52:11,679 --> 00:52:13,440
for this fight is it's gonna be his first ever

1138
00:52:13,559 --> 00:52:16,320
fight in Lithuania. So Ever, no, every fighter would like

1139
00:52:16,400 --> 00:52:18,039
to fight in front of their home fans. You know,

1140
00:52:18,119 --> 00:52:20,159
He's fought all of his professional fights in the United

1141
00:52:20,199 --> 00:52:22,559
States and now he gets a chance to go home

1142
00:52:22,639 --> 00:52:25,519
and you know, try to rebuild himself after a very

1143
00:52:25,559 --> 00:52:26,760
harsh loss to Boots Tennis.

1144
00:52:28,159 --> 00:52:31,159
Speaker 1: All right, so a lot of news there, one bit

1145
00:52:31,320 --> 00:52:34,679
of nostalgia. You did recently talk with Terrence Crawford, and

1146
00:52:34,760 --> 00:52:38,039
we're now within a month here of the meeting with

1147
00:52:38,199 --> 00:52:40,960
Canelo Alvarez, and we do have a little nostalgia coming

1148
00:52:41,000 --> 00:52:44,239
on Tuesday. It was eight years ago, August nineteenth of

1149
00:52:44,320 --> 00:52:51,400
twenty seventeen that Crawford ended up unifying the junior well

1150
00:52:51,440 --> 00:52:55,519
toweight titles and became undisputed. You were at ringside for

1151
00:52:55,599 --> 00:52:58,719
his fight with Julius Indango, and much like Moses at

1152
00:52:58,760 --> 00:53:00,400
tom I took a little longer, but it did not

1153
00:53:00,559 --> 00:53:02,599
take long that night, My friend, what do you recollect

1154
00:53:02,880 --> 00:53:03,559
in Nebraska?

1155
00:53:04,079 --> 00:53:10,400
Speaker 2: This was a sensational atmosphere. Okay, So he's from Omaha, Nebraska,

1156
00:53:10,719 --> 00:53:12,679
and he had fought Omah to great crowds, and I've

1157
00:53:12,679 --> 00:53:14,800
been to Omah for one of you know, and seeing

1158
00:53:14,800 --> 00:53:16,960
the great crowds that have turned out for his fights,

1159
00:53:17,360 --> 00:53:20,320
but this particular fight, well, all the activities took place

1160
00:53:20,360 --> 00:53:24,280
in Omaha Way in press conference workouts where the media

1161
00:53:24,800 --> 00:53:26,760
media Hotel was were all the fight hotel people were,

1162
00:53:26,760 --> 00:53:30,039
all the undercard people stayed there. The fight itself. Everybody

1163
00:53:30,119 --> 00:53:33,280
bust out about an hour away, forty five minutes away

1164
00:53:33,320 --> 00:53:37,440
to Lincoln, Nebraska, just down the highway to play to

1165
00:53:37,760 --> 00:53:39,880
go to this fight, which is in the arena, the

1166
00:53:39,960 --> 00:53:44,719
Pinnacle Arena, which is where the Nebraska College basketball had

1167
00:53:44,800 --> 00:53:47,440
as their home arena for the I guess the men

1168
00:53:47,519 --> 00:53:49,920
and the women, and so they had a huge crowd there.

1169
00:53:51,159 --> 00:53:52,480
Not that big of a building, but it was I

1170
00:53:52,519 --> 00:53:53,920
think it was sold out. If it didn't if it

1171
00:53:53,960 --> 00:53:55,880
wasn't sold that it sounded, you know, if there was

1172
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twelve or fifteen thousand, it sounded like there was fifty thousand.

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Speaker 1: I've been in that building. It's probably a out of

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00:54:00,280 --> 00:54:01,920
ten twelve. Yeah, ceied arena.

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Speaker 2: Spectacular, spectacular atmosphere. I mean, they really turned out. And

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and Dongo was not exactly a household name, but Terrence

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Crawford in that in that region is you know, was

1178
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a huge star. It was like the franchise and he

1179
00:54:13,639 --> 00:54:16,199
went in there. He had two of the belts and

1180
00:54:16,320 --> 00:54:18,519
Dongo had two of the belts, and they put on

1181
00:54:18,599 --> 00:54:22,480
this unification fight and he absolutely destroyed Julius and Dongo

1182
00:54:22,599 --> 00:54:25,320
third round knockout with one of the best left hands

1183
00:54:25,360 --> 00:54:27,880
to the body that you'll ever see. It also knocked

1184
00:54:27,920 --> 00:54:31,039
him down in the second round, and he just use

1185
00:54:31,079 --> 00:54:33,679
your frizzy and he freight trained him. I mean, that's

1186
00:54:33,719 --> 00:54:36,440
what this was. He ran him over like you know,

1187
00:54:36,559 --> 00:54:39,039
it was a mac truck going down the going down

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00:54:39,079 --> 00:54:39,360
the road.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it is easy to say now, but watching

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00:54:41,960 --> 00:54:45,280
him that night, did you sense this is pound for

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00:54:45,400 --> 00:54:48,039
pound greatness? Because you were right there soaking it all in,

1192
00:54:48,159 --> 00:54:51,239
and you'd seen a bunch of big time welter weight

1193
00:54:51,440 --> 00:54:54,480
junior welterweight fighters before that. What do you remember thinking

1194
00:54:54,599 --> 00:54:55,960
watching him destroying dong No?

1195
00:54:56,039 --> 00:54:57,920
Speaker 2: At that point you're like, Yeah, he's a pound for

1196
00:54:57,960 --> 00:54:59,599
pound level guy, no doubt about it. I mean, at

1197
00:54:59,639 --> 00:55:01,880
that point when he won that fight, he became thirty

1198
00:55:01,960 --> 00:55:04,599
two to zero with twenty three knockouts. Now, he'd already

1199
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been a champion in the lightweight division. He didn't have

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the undisputed title, but he was considered a lineal champion.

1201
00:55:11,559 --> 00:55:13,920
He had beaten the top of contenders, He had had

1202
00:55:13,960 --> 00:55:17,119
some big wins at one hundred and forty pounds, you know,

1203
00:55:17,239 --> 00:55:19,920
and Dongo only had one loss going into the fight,

1204
00:55:20,079 --> 00:55:21,719
or you know he had that was he was undefeated

1205
00:55:21,760 --> 00:55:23,760
going to fight. That was his first loss. But there

1206
00:55:23,880 --> 00:55:27,239
was not the sentiment that in Dongo was anything spectacular,

1207
00:55:27,360 --> 00:55:29,280
that he was sort of right place, right time. He

1208
00:55:29,320 --> 00:55:32,639
had won the belts, not necessarily against the most formidable opposition.

1209
00:55:33,480 --> 00:55:35,920
But again credit to him for traveling to the other

1210
00:55:35,960 --> 00:55:39,760
guy's hometown for the fight. And I think my recollections

1211
00:55:39,760 --> 00:55:41,599
that most people thought that Terrence Crawford is going to

1212
00:55:41,639 --> 00:55:44,920
win this fight rather handily, but in the devastating manner,

1213
00:55:44,960 --> 00:55:46,480
and as early as he did, I think that was

1214
00:55:46,559 --> 00:55:49,079
something that was perhaps a little bit of surprise. But

1215
00:55:49,159 --> 00:55:51,360
I have to tell you when he knocked him out,

1216
00:55:52,079 --> 00:55:54,960
like the sound that the arena made, like I always

1217
00:55:55,039 --> 00:55:57,559
talk about when people ask him out, the great atmospheres

1218
00:55:57,559 --> 00:55:59,800
I always think about, you know, I've talked to many

1219
00:55:59,840 --> 00:56:02,840
time is about Tito Trinidad against William Joppy, about some

1220
00:56:02,960 --> 00:56:05,280
of the Ricky Hatton fights I've been to, and those

1221
00:56:05,440 --> 00:56:09,079
level fights Canelo and Mayweather. Uh, this was every bit

1222
00:56:09,159 --> 00:56:10,880
as good as those types of fights. You don't have

1223
00:56:11,079 --> 00:56:13,559
to be in New York City or Las Vegas or

1224
00:56:13,599 --> 00:56:17,559
some mecca of boxing to have a massive, you know,

1225
00:56:17,840 --> 00:56:22,320
crazy atmosphere when there's a historic fight and the hometown

1226
00:56:22,400 --> 00:56:26,880
guy not only wins but does so in nassively impressive style. Uh.

1227
00:56:27,000 --> 00:56:28,639
You know, they were about to blow the roof off

1228
00:56:28,679 --> 00:56:30,800
that place. That was how hot that was. So that

1229
00:56:31,000 --> 00:56:32,719
was it was a big fight week. The whole city

1230
00:56:32,880 --> 00:56:35,840
was excited. You know, you could not go anywhere in Omah,

1231
00:56:35,920 --> 00:56:37,760
didn't matter if you were at the local restaurant or

1232
00:56:37,760 --> 00:56:40,199
walking down the street or you know, uh, you know,

1233
00:56:40,840 --> 00:56:42,920
in the airport. I remember seeing stuff in the airport,

1234
00:56:43,079 --> 00:56:46,880
like advertisements, you know, for tickets and things like everybody

1235
00:56:47,000 --> 00:56:48,719
was hot for the fight. He was on the My

1236
00:56:48,840 --> 00:56:50,679
recollection is like the day of the fight on the

1237
00:56:50,880 --> 00:56:52,840
not just on the sports section, but on the front

1238
00:56:52,880 --> 00:56:55,079
page of the local paper. You know, you get the

1239
00:56:55,079 --> 00:56:57,079
paper like down to the lobby of the hotel. Like

1240
00:56:57,760 --> 00:56:58,159
big deal.

1241
00:56:58,239 --> 00:57:00,400
Speaker 1: I mean back when they had actual news papers in

1242
00:57:00,440 --> 00:57:02,039
twenty seventeen exactly.

1243
00:57:02,000 --> 00:57:04,360
Speaker 2: So it was, it was it was a pretty big deal. Uh.

1244
00:57:04,599 --> 00:57:06,559
And this was also what was cool about it was,

1245
00:57:06,920 --> 00:57:09,039
you know, this was this was like a big deal fight.

1246
00:57:09,159 --> 00:57:12,079
This was on ESPN. This was when ESPN was still

1247
00:57:12,440 --> 00:57:15,480
relatively new to the Top Ranked deal, so they really

1248
00:57:15,559 --> 00:57:17,960
treated it the right way. I mean, we were doing

1249
00:57:18,039 --> 00:57:22,639
like ESPN UH plus shoulder programming, taping things at the hotel.

1250
00:57:22,800 --> 00:57:25,159
I remember doing like a round table with me, myself

1251
00:57:25,239 --> 00:57:27,840
and and uh and and Mark Kriegel and a couple

1252
00:57:27,920 --> 00:57:30,800
other guys talking about the fight of you know, setting

1253
00:57:30,880 --> 00:57:33,679
up for the show I was doing on ESPN Plus

1254
00:57:33,719 --> 00:57:36,320
at the time, the boxing beat, sitting and doing a

1255
00:57:36,360 --> 00:57:39,559
thing with Bob Aram Like they really ESPN really treated

1256
00:57:39,639 --> 00:57:42,559
this like a big event. Obviously, those times had changed,

1257
00:57:43,079 --> 00:57:45,400
you know now, you know, fast forward to twenty twenty

1258
00:57:45,480 --> 00:57:48,119
five mid year and and Top Rank is off the network.

1259
00:57:49,480 --> 00:57:51,440
But those were good times back then. And by the

1260
00:57:51,480 --> 00:57:54,199
way that these were the types of fights that ESPN

1261
00:57:54,360 --> 00:57:57,960
wanted Top Rank to put on, big significant, important fights

1262
00:57:58,039 --> 00:58:01,000
Aarence Crawford and Undefeed It's star going home in front

1263
00:58:01,000 --> 00:58:04,280
of a huge crowd thanding for the undisputed Championship. That

1264
00:58:04,400 --> 00:58:05,440
was a pretty big fucking deal.

1265
00:58:06,239 --> 00:58:08,239
Speaker 1: And of course he later would go on to be

1266
00:58:08,519 --> 00:58:12,000
undisputed at welterweight, and then we'll eventually make the Canelo

1267
00:58:12,239 --> 00:58:16,239
challenge coming up trying to be undisputed it's super middleweight

1268
00:58:16,519 --> 00:58:21,199
later this year. Good nostalgia, good recap of the read

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00:58:21,320 --> 00:58:26,000
season card, and the Moses Etama blitzing of Dillian White.

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00:58:26,599 --> 00:58:29,559
My friend, it's gonna be lean. We just gotta tell

1271
00:58:29,559 --> 00:58:31,440
the audience it's gonna be lean. The next couple of weeks.

1272
00:58:31,480 --> 00:58:33,559
We'll try to be creative with the preview mode, the

1273
00:58:33,639 --> 00:58:35,599
recap mode, et cetera, with whatever's out.

1274
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Speaker 2: You always say that we always have stuff to talk.

1275
00:58:38,519 --> 00:58:40,559
Speaker 1: Well find Yeah, we'll find some things to talk about

1276
00:58:40,639 --> 00:58:42,800
for sure. We also want to say to the audience,

1277
00:58:42,880 --> 00:58:45,599
go find our YouTube page for all the video content

1278
00:58:46,159 --> 00:58:48,719
that we have there. Help us out, subscribe, be engaged

1279
00:58:48,760 --> 00:58:52,079
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1280
00:58:52,960 --> 00:58:54,840
With that, have a good week. My friend here, I

1281
00:58:54,960 --> 00:58:57,239
know it's back to school for young Raphael. We've already

1282
00:58:57,280 --> 00:58:59,119
been back in school for a week in Florida. About

1283
00:58:59,159 --> 00:58:59,960
time you catch up.

1284
00:59:00,559 --> 00:59:02,199
Speaker 2: I'm gonna have a Virginia. I have a middle schooler

1285
00:59:02,280 --> 00:59:02,800
now starting to.

1286
00:59:03,400 --> 00:59:05,599
Speaker 1: I have I have high school seniors that are driving

1287
00:59:05,719 --> 00:59:07,960
themselves to school to park in the parking spore.

1288
00:59:07,960 --> 00:59:10,079
Speaker 2: We're not Derek quite yet. I just know we're going

1289
00:59:10,079 --> 00:59:10,960
in the seventh grade on this.

1290
00:59:11,079 --> 00:59:13,199
Speaker 1: Slow the roll. But yes, he's now a big bad

1291
00:59:13,239 --> 00:59:15,360
middle schooler coming up. Uh listening.

1292
00:59:15,440 --> 00:59:17,960
Speaker 2: By the way, week, big bag middle schooler was very

1293
00:59:18,039 --> 00:59:20,320
pissed that dad for making them get his haircut the

1294
00:59:20,400 --> 00:59:21,079
day before school.

1295
00:59:21,159 --> 00:59:22,679
Speaker 1: Hey, you got to look good on the first day

1296
00:59:22,679 --> 00:59:25,719
for the teachers and maybe the ladies, and get ready

1297
00:59:25,760 --> 00:59:29,119
to deal with that. By the way too, Big Dan,

1298
00:59:29,199 --> 00:59:29,760
have a good week.

1299
00:59:29,840 --> 00:59:30,079
Speaker 2: Thank you.

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