Speaker 1: Hello everyone. Two short weeks ago, we had.
Speaker 2: A very very strange announcement in the news following Pentagon
Speaker 2: officials suggesting that alien mothership may visit our Solar system
Speaker 2: and launch similar probes to Earth. This is from the
Speaker 2: Gateway Pundit, Pentagon officials suggesting a draft paper that alien
Speaker 2: visitors to our Solar system might be sending out smaller
Speaker 2: probes to Earth, similar to NASA's mission studying emissions studying
Speaker 2: other worlds. On March the seventh, of Pentagon's All Domain
Speaker 2: Anomaly Resolution Offers, Director Sean Kirkpatrick and Harvard's an Astronomy
Speaker 2: Department Chair Abraham Leo published a draft paper of their
Speaker 2: joint study into the physical limits of Unidentified Aerial phenomenon.
Speaker 1: Note that they've.
Speaker 2: Changed it from you know, the classic UFO talk to
Speaker 2: unidentified aerial phenomenon. I want to bring up the NBC
Speaker 2: announcement that came out following that Pentagon report. Well, the
Speaker 2: NBC broadcast where they warned of this so called alien
Speaker 2: mothership here it.
Speaker 3: Is, move over, Chinese spy balloon or whatever else. US
Speaker 3: fighter jets shut down last month. Tonight out of Harvard University,
Speaker 3: a draft people about mysterious flying objects sounding almost like
Speaker 3: science fiction.
Speaker 4: I think it's very likely that we are not the
Speaker 4: most intelligent civilization that ever existed.
Speaker 3: Renowned Harvard astronum er Rvi loebe teaming up with a
Speaker 3: new head of the Pentagon's UFO office, dubbed the Old
Speaker 3: domein Anomaly Resolution Office. Together they see that interstellar objects
Speaker 3: detected in space could be so lines of extraterrestrial life,
Speaker 3: and that current skymapping technology like the James Webb Space
Speaker 3: Telescope could miss such objects.
Speaker 4: It could have been a mother ship that released some
Speaker 4: probes in the habitable region around the Sun. We have
Speaker 4: a visitor to our backyard. We should observe it at first.
Speaker 3: Professor Lobe now leading the charge to build better arrays
Speaker 3: of sensors to capture anomalies, but saying for now everything
Speaker 3: is hypothetical and his paper is really meant to remind
Speaker 3: UFO hunters not to forget the laws of physics.
Speaker 4: Not as the reports from military personnel are intriguy and
Speaker 4: motivate my work. Right now, I want my instruments to
Speaker 4: tell me what is really happening.
Speaker 3: Meanwhile, more videos surfacing showing odd objects have been leaked
Speaker 3: to documentary UFO filmmaker Jeremy Corbel, who recently released pictures
Speaker 3: of an orb shape vermosol and these images showing a
Speaker 3: cylinder flying over a rock. The Pentagon not commenting on
Speaker 3: the recent videos, but confirming prior videos released by Corbel
Speaker 3: had been filmed by service members. As for what they are,
Speaker 3: definitive explanations were mean out of reach, Buddy Schwartz, NBC News.
Speaker 1: Well, there you have it.
Speaker 2: We are now talking about a zombie virus that can
Speaker 2: hijack the brain in the mainstream news and UFOs and
Speaker 2: god knows what else. The point is that the coming
Speaker 2: deception of this age, or the existing deception of this age,
Speaker 2: is very very real, and the level of psychological operations
Speaker 2: that the people are being subjected to is increasing. Someone
Speaker 2: I thought would be a very very good guest to
Speaker 2: have on regarding this topic as Jay Dyer, and he's
Speaker 2: going to join us after this short break to discuss
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Speaker 2: Jay Dyer is an author, comedian, and TV presenter known
Speaker 2: for his deep analysis of Hollywood, g and politics and culture.
Speaker 2: A regular guest of our broadcast, and you can find
Speaker 2: all of his work on Jay's Analysis dot com. He's
Speaker 2: got his own podcast, features as a regular guest host
Speaker 2: of the Alex Jones Show The Fourth Hour, and regularly
Speaker 2: engages in a variety of debates on religion, philosophy, and
Speaker 2: much much more. Is just a wealth of knowledge and
Speaker 2: we are personal fans of his work here at Z Media.
Speaker 2: Thank you so much day for joining us today.
Speaker 5: Thank you, Maria. Always glad to be back on your show.
Speaker 5: And I've been working on my Maria's the impersonation. So
Speaker 5: oh got it?
Speaker 1: Do I get to see it?
Speaker 6: Yeah? On to go near Vaccinida paper. That's my favorite
Speaker 6: line of yours. I like that line. It's just me.
Speaker 6: It's just I'm just having fun. So do not take
Speaker 6: a person.
Speaker 2: I never never, I don't know if I've ever said
Speaker 2: those words, but the accent is it's a it's a
Speaker 2: pretty good effort.
Speaker 6: Jay, it's just being silly. So don't worry the work
Speaker 6: on my Australian accent.
Speaker 2: You do, you do well. We appreciate everything you bring
Speaker 2: to the table.
Speaker 6: Jay.
Speaker 2: Seriously, when I say Z Media's personal fans of your work,
Speaker 2: I mean we watch your stuff regularly.
Speaker 1: You know, your analysis of the world.
Speaker 2: And the psychological manipulation that is involved in the coming deception.
Speaker 1: Of any step really of the new world order.
Speaker 2: I think we can all agree that the psyops have increased,
Speaker 2: the confusing level of syops has increased, and this really is.
Speaker 1: The battlefield of the future.
Speaker 2: So one particular thing, and right before you came on
Speaker 2: with us, we played this clip from NBC Nightly News
Speaker 2: about the Mothership. So I really want to get into
Speaker 2: Project Bluebeam with you. And for those that don't know,
Speaker 2: Serge Monast is the gentleman who is known to have
Speaker 2: introduced this theory to the world. He was a Canadian
Speaker 2: investigative journalist, poet, essayist, and what Wikipedia calls a conspiracy theorist.
Speaker 1: But this theory is reported to.
Speaker 4: Be a.
Speaker 2: NASA conspiracy which was introduced in the mid nineties. The
Speaker 2: theory claims that members of the Pentagon, NASA, and the
Speaker 2: United Nations were collaborating on a plan to stimulate, simulate, sorry,
Speaker 2: a fake alien invasion and stage second coming using hologram projections.
Speaker 2: And we'll go through the steps, the four steps that
Speaker 2: Surge outlined. But where do you want to start with this, Jay,
Speaker 2: because there are so many elements, including the psychological manipulation
Speaker 2: of mankind, to get us to maybe the point of
Speaker 2: these hologram second Coming.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think I would start with the notion of discernment.
Speaker 5: So I wrote about this back in my first book,
Speaker 5: Esoteric Hollywood, because I just saw that through all of
Speaker 5: the propaganda that they've been putting out, going back older
Speaker 5: than one hundred years, we've been prepared for the narrative
Speaker 5: of aliens. And this goes back to the famous propagandas HG. Wells,
Speaker 5: who was a British Royal Society member, high level freemason,
Speaker 5: rabid sort of a communist character who wanted to have
Speaker 5: a world government. And so he would sort of brainstorm
Speaker 5: all these different scenarios of how to convince people of
Speaker 5: things like this, and how you could utilize these things
Speaker 5: for psychological warfare and not too long after his writings,
Speaker 5: there was the famous incident where Orson Wells, the movie director,
Speaker 5: did the radio broadcast playing War of the World's or
Speaker 5: the radio as if it was real alien invasion. And
Speaker 5: this is actually a psychological warfare research project. I think
Speaker 5: it was Stanford Princeton research project. There's actually an academic
Speaker 5: text that was written on this by a guy named
Speaker 5: Hadley Control. So if you're looking for the book, it's
Speaker 5: called Invader Invasion from Mars by Hadley Control, and it's
Speaker 5: about the study in the Psychosis of mass Panic. So,
Speaker 5: and we've maybe heard about this in recent years with
Speaker 5: the psychosis of mass panic, right, maybe you've heard about that.
Speaker 5: I don't know if there's there might have been something
Speaker 5: the past three years have happened that related to this
Speaker 5: to mass panic anyway, So I believe it or not,
Speaker 5: there's multiple pieces of data over the years that that
Speaker 5: do suggest and show and prove that the alien narrative
Speaker 5: has been studied in depth and has been utilized at
Speaker 5: the white paper NGO think tank level. For example, I
Speaker 5: uncovered a nineteen sixties Workings Institute document that I covered
Speaker 5: in my second book that I also mentioned in the
Speaker 5: Livestow the other day, and.
Speaker 6: It was an institute.
Speaker 5: It was commissioned by NASA by the Brookings Institute, which
Speaker 5: is one of the big top thing thanks like the
Speaker 5: Rand Corporation or the Rockefeller Foundation, etc. And Brookings came
Speaker 5: to the conclusion that if there was a discovery of
Speaker 5: alien life, this would completely shake all Western Biblical based narratives.
Speaker 5: So anything based on the Bible narrative would be completely undone,
Speaker 5: and thus it would be useful for psychological warfare. So
Speaker 5: we know there's a lot of precedent for this, even
Speaker 5: in the White Papers and even the documents that discussed
Speaker 5: social engineering and steering mankind's religious narratives and mythology. And
Speaker 5: when we get up into more recent times, I think
Speaker 5: that the key pieces of evidence that suggest this.
Speaker 6: There's a great book.
Speaker 5: By the Collins Brothers called Invoking the Beyond, and there's
Speaker 5: about a three hundred page this about it. It's a
Speaker 5: thousand page book. It's about a three hundred page section
Speaker 5: in that book that's just dedicated to the psyops relating
Speaker 5: to the alien mythos and narrative. And when we look
Speaker 5: to some of these famous cases like Betty and Barney
Speaker 5: Hill or Georgia Damski. We actually find people like Allen
Speaker 5: Dallas from the CIA in the background, shutting down cases,
Speaker 5: shutting down investigations into their fraudulent stories, and of course
Speaker 5: in the case of Betty and Barney Hill, we find
Speaker 5: out that they go on to create an alien based cult.
Speaker 5: We also find a lot of intelligence studies that go
Speaker 5: into alien cults and understanding how they develop their narrative.
Speaker 5: We can think of some of the biggest cults in
Speaker 5: the world Xenu right with Scientology that has an alien narrative.
Speaker 5: So in my view, these are useful techniques. We've seen
Speaker 5: alien suicide cults with Heaven's Gate, We've seen other groups
Speaker 5: that have similar ideologies that have been very dangerous, reeliens
Speaker 5: as a cult, and they always have these shady intelligence
Speaker 5: figures in the background. So when we come up to
Speaker 5: issues like the MJ twelve, which is the Majestic twelve
Speaker 5: document supposedly cover bring up the idea of alien arrival
Speaker 5: and all this kind of stuff, in my view, my
Speaker 5: opinion is it's all deception. I think it's black ops,
Speaker 5: I think it's cover. It's a lot of different things.
Speaker 5: But there was a monumental documentary that came out some
Speaker 5: years ago about this called Mirage Men, and if nobody
Speaker 5: has seen that, I highly recommend it because they actually
Speaker 5: interview multiple people from counter intelligence, particularly from the Air Force,
Speaker 5: who were involved in disseminating the alien mythology, and they
Speaker 5: actually described the whole profile, how they profile the people
Speaker 5: that they pick narcissistic weirdos that they go and tell them, oh,
Speaker 5: you're you're special. You know, the aliens have chosen you
Speaker 5: to disseminate the you know, to be the galactic ambassador.
Speaker 5: And I mean it's elaborate. They'll even say, let's bring
Speaker 5: him to the base, have a general there. The general
Speaker 5: pops in a VHS tape and it's a VHS tape
Speaker 5: of something that the Air Force cooked up.
Speaker 6: It's just fake.
Speaker 5: They brought in a Hollywood Guide to film hovercraft taking off.
Speaker 5: It's just a drone, right, And they talk about it
Speaker 5: and depfinitely in that documentary and admit that, Yeah, of
Speaker 5: course it's disinformation and psychological warfare.
Speaker 6: So it does many things.
Speaker 5: So there's a great book by the journalist Annie Jacobson.
Speaker 5: She did the famous History of DARPA, which I've lectured
Speaker 5: through her history of DARPA books. She has another book
Speaker 5: called Area fifty one where she goes into analyzing this
Speaker 5: and pointing out that much of this seems to be
Speaker 5: a cover for black operations, for studies, for deep state technology,
Speaker 5: and perhaps even a cover for other things like you know,
Speaker 5: drug running.
Speaker 6: If the government's evolved in those kinds of activities, they would.
Speaker 5: Use alien cover or something like this for what's going
Speaker 5: on at perhaps these bases. So I tend to think
Speaker 5: that that's the story that's correct, and those are two
Speaker 5: resources that are really good on that. But on a
Speaker 5: broader scale, I think that there's absolutely the possibility that
Speaker 5: they would try to utilize a new religion or craft
Speaker 5: some kind of new religious movement that would be more
Speaker 5: minible two technocracy, to try to steer the global religions,
Speaker 5: the world religions into something under perhaps an alien narrative.
Speaker 6: Oh it turns out, you know.
Speaker 5: If you've seen the movie Prometheus, right, it turns out, Oh,
Speaker 5: we were seated here by the engineers and we were
Speaker 5: accidental creations. The older version of this is called panspermia.
Speaker 5: And this is the idea that I think even Isaac
Speaker 5: Newton and other people held this view that we were
Speaker 5: seated here by alien visitors and they're coming back to
Speaker 5: you know, see how their their you know, chif pets
Speaker 5: are growing right where where the chifets are the aliens?
Speaker 5: And so are we growing good? Or do we need
Speaker 5: to be pruned? And and and you know, connected to
Speaker 5: this is a lot a lot of the studies into psychedelics,
Speaker 5: believe it or not. So I've read a lot on that.
Speaker 5: I've read most of the research relating to well, the
Speaker 5: public books about the m Kilter doctors. I don't think
Speaker 5: most of us have access to the actual Kuilter documents,
Speaker 5: but there's quite a.
Speaker 6: Bit of information on those guys.
Speaker 5: And a lot of those doctors wrote their own books,
Speaker 5: and they were many of them were psychoonauts and believe
Speaker 5: that in a lot of their DMT trips they were
Speaker 5: talking to aliens.
Speaker 6: So that's an angle to this as well, which is
Speaker 6: important to remember.
Speaker 5: And there's actually academic institutions like Stanford that have been
Speaker 5: engaged in studying ets and this kind of phenomenon because
Speaker 5: they think that they might be contacting alien life. Of course,
Speaker 5: if you have a Biblical view, then you know that
Speaker 5: what's being contacted is of course demons, because Graham. Everybody started,
Speaker 5: probably Graham Hancock, but you know, he has a book
Speaker 5: out called Visions or Visionary excuse me, and and he's
Speaker 5: he's openly a gnostic. And in Graham Hancock's view, a
Speaker 5: lot of what shamans are doing when they contact the
Speaker 5: gods as a direct parallel to what we see when
Speaker 5: people who are doing d MT and you know LSD
Speaker 5: trips today. And so in my view that the most
Speaker 5: obvious explanation, and you know basis for all this is
Speaker 5: that it's demonic. Yeah, I mean, there's the government angle,
Speaker 5: but it's it's the spirit.
Speaker 6: A bigness to mind it.
Speaker 1: I have to agree with you, a lot of.
Speaker 2: A lot of work has been done in the realm
Speaker 2: of psychedelics, and you know what we see as contacting
Speaker 2: the demonic realm. You know, I've had people explain the
Speaker 2: phenomenon to me what they experience when they're on psychedelics.
Speaker 2: And for me, all my spidy senses are tingling saying
Speaker 2: you need to stay away from this, like, you know,
Speaker 2: don't go anywhere near it, because it is it is
Speaker 2: some sort of contact with a realm. I think that
Speaker 2: we don't want to be near the interesting thing Jay
Speaker 2: is that a lot of people that I'm talking to
Speaker 2: that are working in the quantum physics space and the
Speaker 2: nanotechnology space is saying that the nanotechnology has a similar
Speaker 2: effect where it's connecting people to the demonic realm. And
Speaker 2: I think, you know, I watched this phenomenal video just
Speaker 2: last night about a Weezer song which was you know
Speaker 2: you Bastard or something along those lines, and the whole
Speaker 2: video is just graphene and you know, graphene spilling out
Speaker 2: of everything. And you said to me a very long
Speaker 2: time ago that the vision is sort of nanotechnology coated cities.
Speaker 2: Where that kind of really stuck with me because it
Speaker 2: seems that that's the key, you know, the satanic takeover
Speaker 2: through technology. But the interesting link here with Project Bluebeam,
Speaker 2: and maybe we'll go through those steps, but one of
Speaker 2: the steps is basically telepathic thought control, which no doubt
Speaker 2: would be made would be far more invasive, if you will,
Speaker 2: or powerful if there was actually nanotechnology inside the human
Speaker 2: brain that was able to alter thoughts as it is.
Speaker 5: Yeah, well, that is what's in Ray Kurtzwell's books. He
Speaker 5: does talk about that the nanotech will eventually be in
Speaker 5: the brain. That's also in Klaus's book Fourth a Dust
Speaker 5: Revolution and the last third of the book, as he
Speaker 5: says that the future vision is to be able to
Speaker 5: do that, and I think in both of those cases
Speaker 5: they're projecting it into the future.
Speaker 6: How advanced that is, I.
Speaker 5: Don't know, so I can't say, you know, if they
Speaker 5: actually have that or if it's just in the works,
Speaker 5: but that's definitely the kind of vision that they have.
Speaker 5: And if you watch that great documentary in Cultra the Internet,
Speaker 5: the Internet and Culture and the Unibomber.
Speaker 6: Have you seen that? No, Oh, it's a muss see.
Speaker 5: That was made in I think two thousand and four
Speaker 5: or five, so it's a long time ago, but it's
Speaker 5: a must see documentary because they interview a lot of
Speaker 5: the Pentagon type people and Esslon Institute connected people who
Speaker 5: are involved in the creation of the Internet. So there's
Speaker 5: also relevance there in terms of mind control and how
Speaker 5: that ties into you know, the Internet and frequencies and
Speaker 5: bandway bandwidth transmissions and all this kind of stuff. But
Speaker 5: they do intend to tie that into you know, what's
Speaker 5: in the human mind. I just I don't know how
Speaker 5: advanced that is yet, how far they can go with that.
Speaker 2: Well, without going through you know, the library of interviews
Speaker 2: that I've done, I can just reference perhaps the fact
Speaker 2: that they found that the nanotechnology, particularly in the vials
Speaker 2: of the injections, is responding more aggressively in when it's
Speaker 2: near a router for example, so you know, it forms
Speaker 2: a lot quicker, it's far more advanced. And then when
Speaker 2: you remove the router, it seems to disappear, but it
Speaker 2: can reappear disappear, And one of the suggestions was that
Speaker 2: this is actually happening through some sort of command in
Speaker 2: the quantum realm getting the nanotech to respond. I mean,
Speaker 2: it's awfully complex and Twilight Zone stuff, but to me,
Speaker 2: very loosely, you know, looking from a bird's eye view,
Speaker 2: it seems very possible and in line with what sort
Speaker 2: of globalist agenda is in terms of mind control. So
Speaker 2: I want to go through these steps with you, the
Speaker 2: four steps of Project Bluebean. It's not necessarily going to
Speaker 2: happen exactly this way, particularly because it's a known conspiracy
Speaker 2: theory and therefore they would be adjusting their game plan
Speaker 2: as they do all the time.
Speaker 4: Jay.
Speaker 1: But the first step here is the breakdown of.
Speaker 2: All archaeological knowledge via earthquakes, so numerous earthquakes around the
Speaker 2: world that will apparently uncover some sort of archaeological artifacts
Speaker 2: that tell us that what we thought about religion was
Speaker 2: not true.
Speaker 5: Your thoughts, I think that, yeah, if they did go
Speaker 5: with a panspermia narrative that would fit into the possibility
Speaker 5: of a new world religion based around aliens, that it
Speaker 5: would have to also explain origins, right, and again that's
Speaker 5: you know, I covered that my first book. I'm trying
Speaker 5: to remember all that. There's tons of famous people that were,
Speaker 5: you know, proponents of panspermia, like I think Watson of
Speaker 5: Watson and Crick, you know, the discovery of DNA. He
Speaker 5: was a big proponent of the idea that we were
Speaker 5: seated by aliens. And we've even seen some of the
Speaker 5: atheists warm up to that narrative, like Richard Dawkins in
Speaker 5: recent years has said.
Speaker 6: Well, like, yes, of course, if I was to believe
Speaker 6: in God, I would believe that we were seated by
Speaker 6: some alien.
Speaker 5: God, right, so it has to be fitting into his
Speaker 5: presuppositions of the Darwinian narrative anyway, So they would definitely
Speaker 5: want to revise or have some new explanation to history
Speaker 5: and that's actually in Prometheus, Like if you watch the movie.
Speaker 5: I'm not trying to say it's true because of movies.
Speaker 5: I understand movies or fiction, but movies are oftentimes preparing
Speaker 5: us for narratives that they want to roll out. That's
Speaker 5: why it's important to look to fiction. And in Prometheus,
Speaker 5: the narrative is that there's these astrological astronomical glyphs that
Speaker 5: have been placed all over the world in ancient pagan tribes,
Speaker 5: and the scholars in the year you know, twenty four
Speaker 5: hundred or whatever finally decode that it's I don't know
Speaker 5: serious or who knows what constellation. I don't remember what
Speaker 5: it was, but you know, they're the ones that put
Speaker 5: us there. So they need to give a story of
Speaker 5: the past to tell us where we're going to be
Speaker 5: going in the future. And that's the main point of
Speaker 5: revisionist historical narratives is that but prior to that, people
Speaker 5: had a biblical view of history. And so if you've
Speaker 5: just if you've deconstructed the biblical approach to history, then
Speaker 5: naturally you'd want to replace it with something like that.
Speaker 5: And I wouldn't be surprised if they wouldn't roll out
Speaker 5: so that they may already be trying to roll that
Speaker 5: out with what they've been pushing with panspermia and so.
Speaker 6: To have, you know, new discoveries. I wouldn't be surprised.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, absolutely, I think this is it is a
Speaker 2: very specific prediction. And that's why I say, you know,
Speaker 2: the breakdown of all archaeological knowledge via earthquakes. I mean
Speaker 2: they could they can create earthquakes these days. Questionably Turkey
Speaker 2: was one of those. But you know, because it's so specific,
Speaker 2: and because so many people know about it, and because
Speaker 2: we're talking about it, there could be so many different
Speaker 2: variations to how they roll this out. But it does
Speaker 2: seem and I heard you say this on the Alex
Speaker 2: Jones Show recently, that it does seem to be the
Speaker 2: preferred method because it lines up with their goal of
Speaker 2: this one world religion, unifying the world under one world religion.
Speaker 1: And it's quite interesting, Jane.
Speaker 5: Maybe and the technology the endplan, yes, yes, right, all
Speaker 5: the all the alien stories have ah, they put a
Speaker 5: chip in me. Oh well that's just you know, happens
Speaker 5: to be what Class wants to do.
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, maybe Class is the alien maybe, But what's
Speaker 2: interesting to me, Jay, and I'd like to get your
Speaker 2: take on this before we move on to the other steps.
Speaker 2: Is there's simultaneously this this confusion, so that the level
Speaker 2: of psyops is that everything is confusing and it takes
Speaker 2: a lot of time, research and dedication to so sort
Speaker 2: of see where things are at. And at the same
Speaker 2: time that they're trying to create unity on global issues
Speaker 2: like climate change or COVID or whatever it may be,
Speaker 2: you know, the trans stuff, whatever it may be creating
Speaker 2: this unity, at the same time they're creating division. It's
Speaker 2: really fascinating to witness how.
Speaker 5: They's the that's the our chemical process. So you break down,
Speaker 5: you dissolve, coagulate back into the new form. So yeah,
Speaker 5: you have to break down all the existing structures to
Speaker 5: rebuild it into the new structure that you want.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And so when people are witnessing this chaos and thinking,
Speaker 2: you know, how can we ever, I'm certain people have thought,
Speaker 2: how can we ever come together as a human race
Speaker 2: against this agenda when there's so many competing agendas, so
Speaker 2: many competing issues, you know, and within every agenda, say
Speaker 2: climate change, there's a million other different problems within that.
Speaker 2: You know, it's so complex, and people just feel like it's.
Speaker 1: This giant.
Speaker 5: It's not though in the sense that I mean it
Speaker 5: has all these components because it's an attempt to change
Speaker 5: every area of life. But really it's just a simple plan.
Speaker 5: They want a world government, a world currency, a world
Speaker 5: religion that promotes the world government, total control, total surveillance,
Speaker 5: and eventually depopulation in some form or fashion. So that's
Speaker 5: the plan, very simple, straightforward. It's been the plan for
Speaker 5: a long time in many, many official documents that that
Speaker 5: we've lectured through. And so the alien mythos are narrative
Speaker 5: is just one of those highly potentially useful cards they
Speaker 5: could play.
Speaker 6: That they could go with.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I agree with you.
Speaker 2: So the second step of Project Bluebeam is a mammoth
Speaker 2: style light show and holograms simulating the second Coming of Christ.
Speaker 1: Talk to us about that.
Speaker 6: Yeah, so.
Speaker 5: You know they I kind of think that there's two
Speaker 5: possibilities there that could definitely be done.
Speaker 6: If they did do something like that. The new Jesus
Speaker 6: would be a Jesus who.
Speaker 5: Promotes something ecumenical, something syncretoius. Oh, all the world religions
Speaker 5: and I spoke through the Buddha, I spoke through them
Speaker 5: through Mohammed. That would be very synonymous with the religious
Speaker 5: proclivities of the United Nations and UNESCO. If you look
Speaker 5: at the spiritual founders of UNESCO, it's Blavatsky, Bailey and Bason.
Speaker 5: You know, three witches who were openly advocates of what
Speaker 5: they called Theosophy. And Alice Bailey has a ten point
Speaker 5: plan for the destruction of Christianity and the creation of
Speaker 5: a new world religion that utilizes theosophy. That's the predecessor
Speaker 5: to the New Age. I did a video on that
Speaker 5: if you want to find that a few months ago.
Speaker 5: It's Alice Bailey's ten point plan for the destruction of
Speaker 5: Christianity and the implementation.
Speaker 6: It's a real thing.
Speaker 5: It's it's in her volumes. We went to the actual
Speaker 5: documents and showed her plan, and she's the spiritual mother
Speaker 5: along with Madam Blevaski.
Speaker 6: Of the United Nations.
Speaker 5: So that's the official spiritual approach of the un and
Speaker 5: things like alien avatars or a new kind of Jesus
Speaker 5: that's amenable to some kind of New Age movement would
Speaker 5: be absolutely perfect. In fact, I have one of the
Speaker 5: books I haven't done yet. It's called The christ Consciousness
Speaker 5: by I just won't like on that guy's name, but
Speaker 5: he's like one of the key figures at the UN
Speaker 5: as well, and he pausits in terms of their their spirituality.
Speaker 5: And remember their book publishing thing was originally called Lucifer
Speaker 5: Publishing and then they changed it to Lucia's Trust. And
Speaker 5: I'm trying to remember that guy's name. It's not Benjamin
Speaker 5: Kremis the other it's another guy. And he has a
Speaker 5: book called The Christ Consciousness, and it's one it's promoted
Speaker 5: by the same group.
Speaker 6: And so they want a new Jesus.
Speaker 5: And so that kind of a Jesus would definitely fit
Speaker 5: into the narrative that you're talking about, where if they
Speaker 5: did run a simulation of a Return of Christ something
Speaker 5: like that, it would be this deception. It would be
Speaker 5: a Christ that teaches some new form of new Christianity
Speaker 5: where it's all the world religions like Pote for Antis
Speaker 5: is promoting with his Abu Dhabi multi faith house that
Speaker 5: they just built and inaugurated.
Speaker 6: It would be something like that. So I could definitely
Speaker 6: see that being used.
Speaker 5: Or the other option would be that rather than using
Speaker 5: hologram technology, they just have really advanced drones that would
Speaker 5: do the same purpose.
Speaker 6: Or used both.
Speaker 1: I just had a quick look while you were talking.
Speaker 1: Is it Norman Paulson, Is that the gentleman you're talking about?
Speaker 6: Now, let me see that. I just can barely.
Speaker 1: I can't see the actual It's okay.
Speaker 2: I just I knew it was bothering you that you
Speaker 2: couldn't remember it, so I tried to.
Speaker 1: Have a look.
Speaker 6: It always does go ahead.
Speaker 1: This is the interesting thing. So so hologram technology.
Speaker 2: I've been looking into this and I want to talk
Speaker 2: more on it, you know, in upcoming broadcasts. But even
Speaker 2: if you look at you know, just a quick Google
Speaker 2: search for is barium used in hologram technology, it's it's
Speaker 2: It lists things like barium strontium that were previously used
Speaker 2: in holographic systems. Funnily enough, you look up the stuff
Speaker 2: that's in chemtrails, very very similar, very similar components in
Speaker 2: the chemtrails. So, you know, I've just had a quick look.
Speaker 2: On geoengineering watch dot org got interviewed Dane Wiggington before
Speaker 2: there's a there's a whole host of documents.
Speaker 1: They're available for people. But it talks about.
Speaker 2: Independent testing of chemtrails being found has shown a dangerous,
Speaker 2: extremely poisonous brew that includes barium, nano aluminum coated fiberglass,
Speaker 2: radioactive thorium, cadmium, chromium, nickel, desiccated blood, mold spores.
Speaker 1: I mean, gosh, it's discussed by the way, it's I.
Speaker 6: Got the title wrong. Excuse me. I did find the
Speaker 6: book's I.
Speaker 5: Knew you would, Reflections on the Christ by David Spangler.
Speaker 2: That's it, okay, So so yes, A lot of these,
Speaker 2: a lot of the stuff that's in keem Trails is
Speaker 2: in was previously used for holographic technology. Now I think
Speaker 2: they've advanced since then, but it's very very possible. And
Speaker 2: again I don't know enough on this yet, but it's
Speaker 2: very possible.
Speaker 1: That that is going to aid in how realistic the
Speaker 1: holograms are.
Speaker 5: There's definitely some truth to that, because there's a great
Speaker 5: documentary that came out maybe ten years ago by Italian
Speaker 5: documentary filmmakers and it's called.
Speaker 6: You won't be able to find on YouTube.
Speaker 5: It's probably on a bit shoot or you know, some
Speaker 5: other platform kim Trail's The War against Us or something
Speaker 5: like that, but it's the you have to watch the
Speaker 5: one that's the Italian documentary because they go through the
Speaker 5: Air Force document which discusses. I think it's the Air
Speaker 5: Force twenty twenty five document. Anyway, that document talks about
Speaker 5: spraying the air for multiple purposes. So the atmosphere geoengineering
Speaker 5: according that Air Force document. First it has to do
Speaker 5: with transmissions of communications, so cell phones work better when
Speaker 5: you have those kinds of things in the atmosphere. So
Speaker 5: that's one reason for it. Other reasons could be, you know,
Speaker 5: experimentation obviously people have theories about that, and then other
Speaker 5: reasons beyond that blocking out the sun.
Speaker 6: You know, there's a whole host of things that could
Speaker 6: be done with that.
Speaker 5: But I would not be surprised because what the element
Speaker 5: that you're talking about ties into the usage of that
Speaker 5: for various I mean, if you're doing some of the holograms,
Speaker 5: it's kind of the same thing that you would be
Speaker 5: doing with like ground based cell tower type stuff. So
Speaker 5: I wouldn't be surprised. As well as satellite stuff.
Speaker 2: Too, Yes, I think the satellites are involved, and this
Speaker 2: is something that I'm discovering as I'm as I'm digging
Speaker 2: deeper on this subject. Again, these particular things that we
Speaker 2: mentioned before were previously used in hologram technology. As I said,
Speaker 2: we've come a long way, but no doubt they would
Speaker 2: still be aiding in the success of really elaborate holograms
Speaker 2: in some way. And so, yes, what you're saying is
Speaker 2: absolutely correct. We move on to step three, which is
Speaker 2: telepathic thought control by the Antichrist. The next step will
Speaker 2: be the use of extra low frequency, very low frequency,
Speaker 2: and low frequency waves to essentially brainwash people into believing
Speaker 2: God is speaking to them directly.
Speaker 1: Talk to us about that.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, voice of school technology has been around
Speaker 6: for a long time. It's old school.
Speaker 5: It's actually there's a movie called Real Genius which has
Speaker 5: Val Kilmer, and I recommend watching if you've never seen it,
Speaker 5: because it's it's a funny eighties movie, but it's about
Speaker 5: basically the Pentagon Star Wars Defense UH Project and DARPA
Speaker 5: recruiting all these nerdy kids to work on lasers and
Speaker 5: voice to skull technology and all that kind of stuff,
Speaker 5: and so it's it's humorous. But you'll notice that, I
Speaker 5: mean that's going back to like nineteen eighty four or five.
Speaker 5: It was one of Doug Kilmer's first movies. So yeah,
Speaker 5: and and the plot of the movie, they're they're they're
Speaker 5: doing directed energy weapons stuff. So directed energy weapons are
Speaker 5: old school, goes back to like Tesla tech. Really all
Speaker 5: the Internet stuff is built on the Tesla, you know,
Speaker 5: wireless technology, and you know the Navy, the Pentagon, these
Speaker 5: different entities have been working on and studying directed energy
Speaker 5: weapons and lasers going back to the sixties and seventies.
Speaker 5: So so that definitely exists, and the potentiality of utilizing
Speaker 5: those on a continental basis is discussed by Brazinski in
Speaker 5: between two ages. He has a section at the beginning
Speaker 5: where he talks in the first chapter where he talks
Speaker 5: about the mutating man ultimately for the purpose of being
Speaker 5: controlled by a sky neet, and then there's a footnote
Speaker 5: where he talks about ELF and VLF ways being able
Speaker 5: to be used to either agitate an entire content or
Speaker 5: calm them down make them docile. So that's definitely real
Speaker 5: to what degree, I mean, I think that a lot
Speaker 5: of what's in place is ultimately for that purpose. And
Speaker 5: I'm sure, as Klaus says, you know, they want to
Speaker 5: tie in in the nanotech and all that to.
Speaker 6: This as well.
Speaker 5: That's in Michael Aquino's Mine Word to Sye War document
Speaker 5: where he if you read all the way down the
Speaker 5: footnotes at the at the bottom of the document. He
Speaker 5: says that humans are antennae and this is to control
Speaker 5: the humans all this stuff. And he was the Satanist
Speaker 5: colonel in military that wrote the Army Psychological Warfare Doctrine
Speaker 5: mine word to cy war.
Speaker 6: And he talks about, you.
Speaker 5: Know, using these ELFVLF transmissions to you to do the
Speaker 5: very thing that Brazienski talked about in.
Speaker 2: A recent interview I conducted with Todd Calendar and Lisa McGee.
Speaker 2: For anyone who hasn't seen that, I encourage you watch it.
Speaker 2: He talks about we go through the humans as antenna
Speaker 2: and humans as walking batteries and walking cyborgs and all
Speaker 2: this sort of stuff.
Speaker 1: And he actually.
Speaker 2: Provides evidence of how this is in the shots enabling this,
Speaker 2: but not only in the shots. It's in food, it's
Speaker 2: in the air, it's in water, it's in everything.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 1: And and you know, again with the things.
Speaker 2: That we've found about nanotechnology, it suggests that potentially.
Speaker 1: It can recreate.
Speaker 2: Or be a duplicate of even your brain neurons and
Speaker 2: then kind of overcome them, which is what they talk about,
Speaker 2: this this hacking of the human brain that they're open
Speaker 2: about now and and really just mind control manipulation.
Speaker 1: Organizations like rand dot org talk about this.
Speaker 2: Karen Kingston exposed this some time ago, where they say
Speaker 2: that they'll have the ability to cause humans to do
Speaker 2: things that they wouldn't normally do. There's an ethical problem
Speaker 2: here we need needs to be addressed, hasn't been addressed,
Speaker 2: you know.
Speaker 1: So it's definitely possible.
Speaker 2: And here's the thing, Jay, you know, back then they're
Speaker 2: talking about this telepathic thought.
Speaker 1: Control, you know, low frequency, very low frequency. How much more.
Speaker 2: Effective would that be if people's brains are filled with
Speaker 2: this nanotechnology?
Speaker 1: I mean it's terrifying stuff.
Speaker 6: Yeah. Again, I mean that that is the goal. That
Speaker 6: is what they discuss.
Speaker 5: And you know, I'll defer to you I haven't I
Speaker 5: haven't interviewed experts on you know, where nanotech is, so
Speaker 5: that I can't in terms of how advanced it is,
Speaker 5: So I can't say for sure. And I'm aware of
Speaker 5: the the doctors that have discussed that they believe that
Speaker 5: this is what's in the vaccines and all that, and
Speaker 5: I wouldn't be surprised. I think there was a study
Speaker 5: that came out of NIH you know, associating the COVID
Speaker 5: reactions to you know, various distances to five G and
Speaker 5: cell towers and all that. So they definitely studied that,
Speaker 5: so I wouldn't be surprised, so it wasn't true. I
Speaker 5: just it's just not an area that I know for
Speaker 5: sure that's the case. But I would not be surprised
Speaker 5: because that is definitely the stated goal. Yeah, yeah, I
Speaker 5: just don't know how advanced it is.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think they don't want us to.
Speaker 5: One of the things I think is going on with
Speaker 5: alien stuff too, is that I think that some of
Speaker 5: these alien videos and UAPs that you know, it's entirely
Speaker 5: possible that they're just highly advanced drones and so that
Speaker 5: they're gonna say, oh, you see this is alien craft. Well,
Speaker 5: that's just a really advanced form of drone that they
Speaker 5: have that we just don't understand that technology.
Speaker 6: Maybe they have some kind of you.
Speaker 5: Know, anti gravity or I'm just speculating, you know, that's
Speaker 5: that propels the drone. I don't know, but I'm not
Speaker 5: gonna jump to the conclusion that, Oh well, then I
Speaker 5: guess all of the you know, religion that's passed down
Speaker 5: in the history of Western civilization, the Bible is all
Speaker 5: false because I saw a drone that acts weird.
Speaker 6: Right, I mean, yeah, you know what I mean.
Speaker 5: Like, I'm supposed to jump to the conclusion that there's
Speaker 5: extraterrestrial life because I see this grainy video of an
Speaker 5: orb floating around or something like that, Right, So, okay,
Speaker 5: either that or it could be something demonic, And there's
Speaker 5: no reason for me, in other words, to jump to
Speaker 5: the conclusion that aliens are the case. And that's usually
Speaker 5: the narrative that they want to push.
Speaker 6: Is that.
Speaker 5: Grainy video therefore aliens therefore bible not true, right, I mean,
Speaker 5: it's really silly.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it is silly.
Speaker 2: But here's the thing, you know, and this is potentially
Speaker 2: part of the reason why it's always grainy videos, because
Speaker 2: when the deception of this, if this is the path
Speaker 2: they're going down, when the deception actually happens, it will
Speaker 2: be far more realistic and so and so it'll it'll
Speaker 2: seem more real All those rubbish videos were for a purpose,
Speaker 2: you know, filmed on a potato, because because it's it's
Speaker 2: it's going to seem so much more realistic if it happens.
Speaker 1: And you're absolutely right, it doesn't at all.
Speaker 2: Make me question the validity of the Bible. All all
Speaker 2: it does is prove to me that they will go
Speaker 2: to great lengths to deceive the world into thinking that
Speaker 2: the Bible specifically isn't true. The final step that is
Speaker 2: listed by SURGE is a simulated alien invasion beginning of
Speaker 2: the year twenty twenty four or maybe sooner. I mean,
Speaker 2: I can't say for sure that that's when it's going
Speaker 2: to happen, or that it will definitely happen, but.
Speaker 1: We just did see that.
Speaker 2: You know, we're seeing this increase the Pentagon, particularly after
Speaker 2: the spy balloons, and then the Pentagon comes out and says,
Speaker 2: you know, who was it that came out of that
Speaker 2: briefing and said lock your doors tonight? Oh goodness, I
Speaker 2: can't remember who it was now, Jay, But they came
Speaker 2: out of a briefing after these spy balloons and what
Speaker 2: are they and said lock your doors tonight.
Speaker 6: Yeah again, And that's what's that.
Speaker 1: Senator John Kennedy, it was.
Speaker 2: Senator John Kennedy concluded his observations on today's Classified Senate
Speaker 2: UFO breedings with lock your doors tonight.
Speaker 5: Well, you know, it's been two weeks now, I think,
Speaker 5: since NBC Nightly News said there may possibly perhaps be
Speaker 5: the alien.
Speaker 6: Mothership above you.
Speaker 5: Right now, we're not talking about p Funk's mothership. We're
Speaker 5: talking about an alien mothership, which is supposedly, you know,
Speaker 5: watching overs and sending out probes. All of that I
Speaker 5: think is just ridiculous. But what's funny about that is
Speaker 5: that now it's being stated on NBC Nightly News that
Speaker 5: there may be an alien mothership. So to me, that
Speaker 5: signifies that we're going to continue that rollout of the
Speaker 5: alien narrative, the alien mythos.
Speaker 6: So I would not be.
Speaker 5: Surprised if they don't try to run with some sort
Speaker 5: of reception like that by twenty twenty four. Like you said,
Speaker 5: twenty twenty five, it's again entirely possible, whether it's holograms
Speaker 5: or drones or whatever.
Speaker 6: In my mind, it won't be real.
Speaker 5: And have you ever watched or read Childhood's In by
Speaker 5: Arthur C.
Speaker 6: Clark?
Speaker 5: Oh, you need to watch that bit rita because that's
Speaker 5: in that there's an alien arrival, and it's in the
Speaker 5: novel it's actually demons. And Arthur C. Clark was in
Speaker 5: the circles of Crowley. He's, you know, probably the most
Speaker 5: famous science fiction writer the last sixty years. Because he
Speaker 5: did two thousand and one Space Out to See twenty ten,
Speaker 5: three thousand and one, So the whole narrative of his
Speaker 5: science fiction is transhumanism and Luciferianism. Openly, that's not my speculation,
Speaker 5: that's his view, and Arthur C. Clark had in that story,
Speaker 5: which there's not a movie of that, but the Sci
Speaker 5: Fi Channel did a really good, i think, four or
Speaker 5: five part series.
Speaker 6: Of Childhood's In.
Speaker 5: So if you just if you want to see what's
Speaker 5: really behind all this alien stuff, just watch childhoods In.
Speaker 6: Because Carollen is a demon.
Speaker 1: I'd really love to get your take on.
Speaker 2: The deception involved in setting up the stage for this
Speaker 2: one world leader. We all know that that's the ultimate goal.
Speaker 2: What sort of tactics do you foresee in the coming
Speaker 2: years or yea or whenever to really drive because right
Speaker 2: now there are a lot of people that see this
Speaker 2: for what.
Speaker 1: It is and they're very staunchjy.
Speaker 2: But the attack will come on those people as well,
Speaker 2: making them question their.
Speaker 1: Very own beliefs. We know that from scripture.
Speaker 2: So what do you think they will what sort of
Speaker 2: lengths will they go to or how will they successfully
Speaker 2: deceive more people?
Speaker 5: I think that the it's kind of like a total
Speaker 5: operation Chaos where they're using every area of life being
Speaker 5: disrupted in undermined and subverted government, economy, religion, everything is
Speaker 5: kind of being subjected to a form of dividing conquer
Speaker 5: such that it's destabilizing everyone. So I think that there's
Speaker 5: an attempt to destabilize anything that we ground people. And
Speaker 5: for example, you know, you had that CDC guy when
Speaker 5: he before COVID it was like twenty eighteen or whatever,
Speaker 5: twenty sixteen, where he was in that meeting saying that
Speaker 5: we want to bring in a completely new medical system
Speaker 5: and we're going to explode the existing system from within.
Speaker 5: So that subversion and collapse from within is an approach.
Speaker 6: That does exist.
Speaker 5: It's very real, and that's I think probably what's going on.
Speaker 5: And so I think they're going to continue with more
Speaker 5: and more destabilization control chaos. It may may get uncontrolled,
Speaker 5: it may go out of their hand. You know that
Speaker 5: they may lose control of the big bubble economy that
Speaker 5: they've created. So I think in regard to this large
Speaker 5: scale deception with religion and aliens and all this, I
Speaker 5: think they'll they'll continue to push and see how well
Speaker 5: it's being received. I don't think they're going to push
Speaker 5: anything like if more and more people, you know, spoke
Speaker 5: out against and realized that the alien stuff was a
Speaker 5: bunch of boloney, then they wouldn't roll with it, right,
Speaker 5: They're only going to roll with something that I think
Speaker 5: they think most people would fall for. So, and we
Speaker 5: do have in Second Thessalonians, you know, the prediction that
Speaker 5: there is a strong delusion that will be sent to
Speaker 5: people that don't love the truth as their punished. The
Speaker 5: delusion is the punishment according to Saint Paul. So the
Speaker 5: figure of Antichrist, whether we are in the end times
Speaker 5: or not, there's always going to be Antichrist. John says
Speaker 5: in scripture that you know, there are many Antichrist and
Speaker 5: that spirit is always offered in the world until the
Speaker 5: end of the world. And then we have that sort
Speaker 5: of culmination at the end of the world whenever, that
Speaker 5: is with the spirit of with Antichrist essentially doing a
Speaker 5: kind of mimicked version of the incarnation where he comes
Speaker 5: as a foil to Christ to try to unite the
Speaker 5: world around, you know, a new world, religion and peace
Speaker 5: and all this kind of stuff.
Speaker 6: And the alien narrative could definitely fit into that. Whether
Speaker 6: that is the case, I don't know.
Speaker 5: But you know, again we see with what Antichrist will promote,
Speaker 5: something very synonymous with transhumanism world religion, that all kind
Speaker 5: of coalesces very well into the type of story or
Speaker 5: narrative that Antichrist will preach, which will be a anti
Speaker 5: version of Christianity based around you know, man becoming his
Speaker 5: own God. You know, this kind of the classes that
Speaker 5: are Luciferian ideas.
Speaker 1: And very anti.
Speaker 2: Creation as in the true story of creation, making you
Speaker 2: hate yourself, making you hate humanity, and we need to
Speaker 2: be a different kind of humanity, and all of this
Speaker 2: stuff is happening simultaneously.
Speaker 6: Well, just why again, all of the stuff from Arthur C.
Speaker 5: Clark is based on this because two thousand and one,
Speaker 5: two thousand, if you watch twenty ten, man goes into
Speaker 5: the universe to see the universe under they're called the
Speaker 5: suns of Light, so they're Luciferian and they see the
Speaker 5: universe through transhumanism and become a new type of being
Speaker 5: because they evolve. And in the original story of two
Speaker 5: thousand and one, Starchild, the new baby that's born, he
Speaker 5: nukes Earth because Earth needs to be depopulated.
Speaker 6: In the separate story Childhood's.
Speaker 5: In when the when the demons come as alien visitors,
Speaker 5: they take all the generation of children that have just
Speaker 5: been born and they nuke Earth because Earth needs to
Speaker 5: be depopulated. So again, it's just it's all in Arthur
Speaker 5: cy Clark's stuff right there, because he was a completely evil,
Speaker 5: wicked person hanging out with Ulster Croley.
Speaker 2: They're all wicked and evil, and I think the resolve
Speaker 2: of people that see and understand that is growing stronger.
Speaker 2: But I think you raise something important, which was that,
Speaker 2: you know, if enough people realize that this isn't that
Speaker 2: the alien stuff is bogus, they'll move to a different plan.
Speaker 2: But the point is that they'll always move to a
Speaker 2: different plan because their final goal will be achieved one
Speaker 2: way or another. It's written.
Speaker 1: But the very, very crucial.
Speaker 2: Thing is for people to guard themselves against the deceptions,
Speaker 2: which is why, you know, one of the one of
Speaker 2: my missions in life is to expose this stuff jas
Speaker 2: so that people will be aware, because I recall having
Speaker 2: conversations in my previous church, you know, with with leadership
Speaker 2: and saying do you think that we're witnessing the great falling?
Speaker 1: Away, like this watering down.
Speaker 2: Of the world and things like that, and it particularly
Speaker 2: in you know, Protestant movements and things like that.
Speaker 1: It's it's really bad hyper grace.
Speaker 2: And you know, essentially do as thou wilt and God
Speaker 2: will forgive it. You know, it's really serious stuff. And
Speaker 2: I think that this is in line with the plans
Speaker 2: of the New World Order. Maybe there's an infiltration of Christianity,
Speaker 2: you know, just having these conversations.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, we just said multiple livestreams on how Christianity
Speaker 5: is subverted through foundations and the government and big money.
Speaker 6: Yeah, altely.
Speaker 2: But the scary thing is Jay that the response I
Speaker 2: was given is that as long as you're going in
Speaker 2: the direction of most people, you're pretty safe.
Speaker 1: Which is literally the opposite of what the Bible says.
Speaker 6: Right, foolish wisdom, foolish advice there.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 2: So the reason I bring this up is because I
Speaker 2: think that being aware of the possibility, you know, we
Speaker 2: shouldn't be immersed.
Speaker 1: All the time and conspiracies.
Speaker 2: Our faith should be the driving force of our life,
Speaker 2: but we need to have some sort of awareness. How
Speaker 2: much do you think how important do you think it
Speaker 2: is for the church to actually be warning of some
Speaker 2: of these things.
Speaker 5: I think that there should be people within churches that
Speaker 5: have discernment and the gifts of discernments such to do that.
Speaker 5: I mean, Paul talks about having discerning a discernment of
Speaker 5: spirits as a gift. So certain people do have this
Speaker 5: wisdom and knowledge and discernment, and you know, people should
Speaker 5: listen to them. So you know, we have Orthodox saints
Speaker 5: for example, or people that are about to be sayings.
Speaker 5: So Father serfrom Rose who wrote a famous book called
Speaker 5: Orthodoxy in the Religion of the Future, where he predicted
Speaker 5: that there might be the usage of an alien mythos
Speaker 5: or narrative. He discusses them as demons as well. So
Speaker 5: this is a classic book from that from the Orthodox perspective.
Speaker 5: So and I think he's probably going to be considered
Speaker 5: a more recent sat in the Orthodox Church in America.
Speaker 5: So you know, we have people talking about that. Unfortunately,
Speaker 5: it should be more people. It's not as many as
Speaker 5: it should be. But yeah, I don't think it takes
Speaker 5: a whole lot of knowledge per se to have this
Speaker 5: discernment because a lot of this is just out there.
Speaker 5: I think the biggest thing is to not get fooled
Speaker 5: by disinformation or you know, like you said, lost going
Speaker 5: down rabbit holes in terms of information that's not credible
Speaker 5: or coming from goofy weird people who obviously.
Speaker 6: Don't know what they're talking about.
Speaker 5: And I would say, you know, start with, you know,
Speaker 5: the good documentaries like I mentioned, Watch Mirage Men, Watch
Speaker 5: Kim Trail's a Secret War, which is on bit shoot,
Speaker 5: which I just texted that I found it. It's the
Speaker 5: twenty fourteen documentary from Italy.
Speaker 6: I mean, all this this kind of stuff.
Speaker 5: Is pretty you know, pretty easy to spot once you
Speaker 5: kind of know what's going on and what's going down.
Speaker 5: So but it's it's unfortunate because it would be greater
Speaker 5: for more people in churches talking about it. But I
Speaker 5: think a lot of people are just ignorant, and a
Speaker 5: lot of people are scared.
Speaker 6: A lot of people are.
Speaker 5: I don't know, they they would follow rather follow sports
Speaker 5: ball and you know, garbage like that. But yeah, you know,
Speaker 5: sports ball is not going to be there if there's
Speaker 5: a giant economic collapse. Yeah, if we have another if
Speaker 5: we have if we have COVID twenty seven right, which
Speaker 5: rolls out right, we're not going to have sports ball.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you mentioned something as well from two Thessalonians that
Speaker 2: says that the great deception, a huge deception, will come
Speaker 2: over those that don't love the truth. We already saw
Speaker 2: this in full, full action over the past three years.
Speaker 2: You know, people always say to me, and regardless of
Speaker 2: the fact that there's been some success in waking some
Speaker 2: people up, I've shared a.
Speaker 1: Huge success story the other day.
Speaker 2: But but you know, for the most part, it's more
Speaker 2: of this just glazed over blank look that.
Speaker 1: These people just it can't penetrate their minds. That may
Speaker 1: already be one type of mind control that's happening.
Speaker 6: I won't I won't.
Speaker 2: I won't discount that that's a possibility, you know already
Speaker 2: through the technology. But really it is this, it's it
Speaker 2: just seems like a veil jay where they can't see
Speaker 2: or love the truth.
Speaker 6: It is.
Speaker 5: Yeah, And that's the thing is that the irony is
Speaker 5: in that text, is that the punishment is that you're
Speaker 5: given over to the delusion because you didn't.
Speaker 6: Love the truth.
Speaker 5: So it's God basically giving you what you want. You
Speaker 5: want lies, Okay, here go believe all these lives. Sure,
Speaker 5: but that's the price that we pay for, uh not
Speaker 5: listening to people who were telling the truth and had
Speaker 5: a discernment. So, you know, the thing that I keep
Speaker 5: seeing is that so many people just have no discernment.
Speaker 5: It's very bizarre, you know that, because a lot of
Speaker 5: this stuff is pretty easy to Like I said, you know,
Speaker 5: when you know how the system works, the world works,
Speaker 5: Like all this stuff is really cheesy, corny, dumb. The
Speaker 5: syops that they run are so obvious, they're so fake.
Speaker 5: But if you don't love the truth, then you're gonna
Speaker 5: fall for there. You're you're gonna default to believing that
Speaker 5: whatever the system says is true because the system says it.
Speaker 6: It's exactly what O'Brien says to Winston.
Speaker 5: He says, I want you to believe it because I
Speaker 5: say it, not because you think it's true, not because
Speaker 5: you think that's what I want to hear, but because
Speaker 5: you actually believe that I can tell you what's truth.
Speaker 6: That's how the system operates.
Speaker 5: And so if people believe that, which is obviously garbage,
Speaker 5: it's obviously ridiculous, right Klaus Schwab, George Soros, Bill Gates.
Speaker 6: They don't decide what's true. It's absurd.
Speaker 5: But if people want to default to that you will
Speaker 5: pay the price, you'll pay the consequences for that.
Speaker 6: And we've seen that in the last three years.
Speaker 5: I mean I was been telling people first ever to
Speaker 5: stay away from all.
Speaker 6: These stabbies and all this stuff. And you know, I was.
Speaker 5: Saying that in two thousand, first in two thousand about
Speaker 5: stabbyes of two thousand and five or six, and I
Speaker 5: mean I've been made fun of ever since then. So
Speaker 5: but people aren't making fun of me as much anymore
Speaker 5: because they've seen so many of the.
Speaker 6: Things that I talked about. I I learned about the
Speaker 6: push for world government.
Speaker 5: All this stuff in nineteen ninety eight, so you know,
Speaker 5: people have seen me as a sort of crazy conspiracy
Speaker 5: theorist person. But even back then, I was just going
Speaker 5: by what i'd seen the un talking about, the actual
Speaker 5: documents of these groups talking about and then too, you know,
Speaker 5: for basically over twenty years. That was ninety eight, twenty
Speaker 5: five years now of being a conspiracy theorist.
Speaker 6: I've seen a lot of things.
Speaker 5: I've read a lot of books, I've watched a lot
Speaker 5: of things, and met a lot of people, met a
Speaker 5: lot of experts, a lot of really high powered people.
Speaker 6: And even though I might I might have had.
Speaker 5: Dumb ideas when I was eighteen first learning about this stuff,
Speaker 5: and I've gotten some things wrong over the years. On
Speaker 5: the whole, I'm about ninety five percent right.
Speaker 6: So I'm not just tooting my horn.
Speaker 5: I'm just pointing out that, you know, I didn't just
Speaker 5: learn about this last year, not saying you did. I'm
Speaker 5: just saying it's something I've been looking at and studying
Speaker 5: for twenty five years. And I studied at an academic
Speaker 5: level as well, espionage and geopolitics in grad school.
Speaker 6: So all this stuff is real. It's absolutely real.
Speaker 5: Now there's a lot of junks that's not real. But yeah,
Speaker 5: you just have to love the truth and you will
Speaker 5: be led down the right path, or if you don't,
Speaker 5: you will you know.
Speaker 6: There's consequences for that.
Speaker 5: I mean, we were saying for a long time it's
Speaker 5: going to come to a point where there will be
Speaker 5: consequences for mocking the conspiracy theorists, right. My wife and
Speaker 5: I were both saying this for a long time because
Speaker 5: we had a lot of people in various churches who
Speaker 5: were really mad at us, adamantly against us because of
Speaker 5: stuff that we've been talking about for a long time,
Speaker 5: and then one of the last three years show not
Speaker 5: only were we right about our analysis, everything rolled out
Speaker 5: like we said, and all the stabbes were deadly like
Speaker 5: we said, And many of those people have just doubled down. No,
Speaker 5: you're still bad because you theorize and you talk about
Speaker 5: that you're bad. You're the bad person. No, you're the
Speaker 5: bad person because you love delusion and lies and your own.
Speaker 1: Stupidity, endurance, stupidity.
Speaker 6: I'm serious, love wallowing in the ignorance.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, you love the world.
Speaker 2: And this is what this is what I say, Jay,
Speaker 2: It's it's a love of the world.
Speaker 1: It's a love of the system.
Speaker 2: It's a love of the fake security that they've given
Speaker 2: you over all these years, a love of the fake
Speaker 2: dream that they've painted for you that has nothing to
Speaker 2: do with success. I heard a john a talk by
Speaker 2: John Lennox some time ago on this topic about, you know,
Speaker 2: the way that the world has painted success for us
Speaker 2: is just a flat out lie, you know. And the
Speaker 2: things I've read some stats this morning published by Wall
Speaker 2: Street Journal about how the less and less Americans are,
Speaker 2: and of course the stats could be fudged, but it's
Speaker 2: I think it is indicative of the state of the world.
Speaker 1: Less and less.
Speaker 2: Americans think that having children is important, but in fact,
Speaker 2: only thirty percent of respondents thought it was, whereas the
Speaker 2: rise of people that thought having money was important was
Speaker 2: getting higher every single year. And it's you know, what
Speaker 2: are you going to do with your money when you're
Speaker 2: when you're eighty years old and you have no one
Speaker 2: around you and you're lonely and you.
Speaker 1: Haven't you know, I mean, it's just you know.
Speaker 6: And the money isn't really either. The money is yeah,
Speaker 6: fake money, so correct.
Speaker 2: Correct, And I really think it is a life where
Speaker 2: your treasure is where your heart is, and you know,
Speaker 2: not saying money doesn't matter. Of course you have it.
Speaker 2: It's great if you can earn heaps of it, no worries,
Speaker 2: be generous, do whatever you want with it.
Speaker 1: My point is that.
Speaker 2: It's the love of money, the love of the world system,
Speaker 2: the love of it, the fake security that they've painted
Speaker 2: for you, which by the way, is on the.
Speaker 1: Verge of collapsing everywhere around you. It really is a
Speaker 1: great opportunity to push us further to our faith.
Speaker 2: And this is the way that I see it, Jay,
Speaker 2: this is why I'm not depressed and will never be
Speaker 2: depressed because we have something that's that's so much more
Speaker 2: secure than what this world has to offer.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean it all goes back to the garden, right,
Speaker 5: because you know, what Satan offers is a false, mimic
Speaker 5: copy version of what God offers. And God offers us
Speaker 5: resurrection and divine life. Satan offers you a fake resurrection,
Speaker 5: fake immortality, fake divinity through all of these deceptive means
Speaker 5: like oh, you're going to be downloaded into computer, you're
Speaker 5: gonna live forever. Oh but none of that's true obviously.
Speaker 5: So it's all lies and deception. And there's just basically
Speaker 5: basically layers to the lies and deception. So there's like
Speaker 5: a government layer of deception, and there's you know, a
Speaker 5: spiritual layer of deception. So I think one thing people
Speaker 5: could do, which they don't actually do very much, Which
Speaker 5: something I did a few years ago and got really
Speaker 5: heavily into that really helped me.
Speaker 6: Out, was study.
Speaker 5: Study the history of Watch a lot of documentaries on conmen,
Speaker 5: Watch how people are deceived in different cons and you'll
Speaker 5: notice the patterns that different con men, famous conmen, famous
Speaker 5: you know con operations have done. Oh well, it just
Speaker 5: happens to be exactly the same methodology of the big
Speaker 5: people on the big level, right, And you'll notice, like
Speaker 5: Klaus and Davos, they're not doing anything different than what
Speaker 5: small time conmen do.
Speaker 6: It's just on a bigger scale. So when we understand.
Speaker 5: Deception and the principles and practice of deception, we're a
Speaker 5: lot more I think, fitted to not be duped by
Speaker 5: these things.
Speaker 2: I agree with you, And the cave really is to
Speaker 2: love the truth. The cave really is to hate deception.
Speaker 2: Love the truth, love what's good, hate what's bad. It's
Speaker 2: it's really a simple thing. And you know, if you're
Speaker 2: offended by something that you think is good but actually
Speaker 2: isn't inspect within yourself while you're offended, first and foremost.
Speaker 2: You know, all these people getting offended at things that
Speaker 2: violate their beliefs. You know, you come at about Christianity.
Speaker 2: I'm not going to get offended at all because I'm
Speaker 2: so secure in that truth. And so you know, for
Speaker 2: the people that immediately jump and get offended when there
Speaker 2: when their worldview is threatened, maybe your worldview isn't so
Speaker 2: so secure then if you're if you're so easily offended.
Speaker 6: And good point, yeah, yeah, And.
Speaker 2: So I think I think that I've always said that
Speaker 2: the key is to be a lover of the truth.
Speaker 1: Jay, you definitely are that.
Speaker 2: Let people know where they can follow your work, and
Speaker 2: I mean it, Guys check out his stuff because his
Speaker 2: analysis on Hollywood is fantastic, but his stuff on philosophy,
Speaker 2: and you know, there's there's so much work out there
Speaker 2: that Jay does.
Speaker 1: It's very varied and.
Speaker 2: Truly I think, you know, beneficial for our day and age.
Speaker 6: Thank you.
Speaker 5: Yeah, we just saw a twelve course history of Western
Speaker 5: philosophy course that's so available on my website or over
Speaker 5: at Autonomy University with Richard Grove. We do live events
Speaker 5: now across the so we'll be doing some more of those.
Speaker 5: We have a live event I think in Hollywood we're
Speaker 5: going to do in June. We have a shop where
Speaker 5: you can get my books. Of course there's obviously esoteric
Speaker 5: Hollywood that I have other books as well. My wife
Speaker 5: has books. This is if you want my all my geopolitical,
Speaker 5: theology and philosophy stuff. It's all on this big fat
Speaker 5: red book. What else do we have? I noticed they
Speaker 5: just put the TV show that I did a few
Speaker 5: years ago on YouTube, although it's not actually the whole
Speaker 5: TV show. You just have to go over never mind.
Speaker 6: On that, but you can find my TV show that
Speaker 6: we did.
Speaker 5: It's called Hollywood Decoded. It's a really good show. I'm
Speaker 5: still proud of it. That was like twenty seventeen or
Speaker 5: eighteen full season of a show we did. We haven't
Speaker 5: done any debates in a while, but I've been focusing
Speaker 5: on movie breakdowns and geopolitical book breakdowns, so we've been
Speaker 5: really focusing on breaking down the writings of the elite.
Speaker 5: And lately I've been covering Operation Gladio and organized crime
Speaker 5: in the Vatican, so I'm looking forward to kind of
Speaker 5: lecturing on those things. But yeah, all of that stuff
Speaker 5: is at jaysnelsons dot com. All that stuff is on
Speaker 5: my ROCKCN channel Ja Dyer, and if you look for
Speaker 5: me on Twitter or Instagram or anything else, you'll find
Speaker 5: under my name Jay Dyer.
Speaker 1: Well, I've just brought up your website.
Speaker 2: I've given a lot of credit to your work, but
Speaker 2: also your wife's work. She's such an amazing, beautiful, like
Speaker 2: just classically beautiful woman.
Speaker 1: You know, I believe that you.
Speaker 6: Know you want to chat with you too, by the way,
Speaker 6: Oh good.
Speaker 1: Yes, anytime, anytime.
Speaker 2: I think that we need more women who just are
Speaker 2: valued for their intelligence and true beauty rather than you know,
Speaker 2: the way that women.
Speaker 1: Are portrayed in society today.
Speaker 2: I really think she's a great example of that, so
Speaker 2: I'd love to chat with her. But Jay, really love
Speaker 2: your work. Thank you for your time, and for everyone
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Speaker 2: others against the coming deception of this age, and if
Speaker 2: you're a lover of the truth, you will find the
Speaker 2: truth that is the truth.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much day, and we'll be talking to
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