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Speaker 8: Oh, now, about five minutes in the guests, I already
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Speaker 1: Oh wow, thank you. You really pulled out all the
Speaker 1: stops for me here tonight, and I appreciate it well
Speaker 1: a long time coming here on the Occult Rejects. Sorry
Speaker 1: if I start talking like Trump. I was hanging out
Speaker 1: with my Fox News watching grandparents today. But anyways, my
Speaker 1: family thinks I'm crazy. That's the name of my podcast
Speaker 1: and it's a true statement. So if you're obsessed with weird,
Speaker 1: strange stuff, your family probably thinks you're crazy too. So
Speaker 1: listen to my podcast and pick a few tips. Because
Speaker 1: I've been dealing with it since I first was able
Speaker 1: to utter a thoughtful sentence, so always always getting questions
Speaker 1: from people, why why are you looking into that?
Speaker 7: What?
Speaker 1: And then sure enough it actually paid off fifteen years later.
Speaker 1: So here we are talking about a topic that sort
Speaker 1: of came out of the blue for me and the
Speaker 1: grand scheme of things, but now has somewhat become an
Speaker 1: obsession in some ways.
Speaker 7: Very obsessed with and Nazis and all that shit.
Speaker 1: So I get it right, Yeah, it's it's it's something
Speaker 1: that affects the entirety of Western civilization hosts a certain
Speaker 1: time period that we'll get into. So yeah, it's it's
Speaker 1: got big implications, and it could be a little bit
Speaker 1: of my own bias, you know, when you start holding
Speaker 1: a hammer everything because and nail that kind of logic.
Speaker 1: But there's there's a lot of there's a lot of
Speaker 1: interesting stuff that I hope we can get into tonight.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I can kick it off now, or I
Speaker 1: can pass it on to someone else and we can
Speaker 1: ask questions. But I mean, essentially, the phrase Germanic occultism
Speaker 1: is like the phrase American fast food.
Speaker 7: Okay, that's a good way to put it.
Speaker 1: Actually, Yeah, that's that's that's kind of like my what
Speaker 1: do you call it in college? Your thesis statement? Right, So,
Speaker 1: as you'll see today, Germany has played a big role
Speaker 1: in this sort of strange part of culture. So where
Speaker 1: should we start. I'll take this silence and pause to
Speaker 1: light this up. For me, it started in New Haven, Connecticut,
Speaker 1: where one way or another I started looking into Scull
Speaker 1: and Bones, the fraternity at Yale, and the pervading rumor,
Speaker 1: although it's not particularly substantiated, but there's enough for me
Speaker 1: to feel confident. But the rumor is that scull and
Speaker 1: Bones is the second chapter of a German order, the
Speaker 1: Order of Skull and Bones. And somewhere in the Scull
Speaker 1: and Bones tomb at Yale University, I believe, over the
Speaker 1: fireplace on the second floor, there's a painting or a picture,
Speaker 1: maybe an old time picture of a skull and some
Speaker 1: other things on a table, something like this, and the
Speaker 1: phrase in German that says, you know, we were beggars,
Speaker 1: we were kings, we were gods, we were fools, but
Speaker 1: in the end we're all the same, right to that effect, basically,
Speaker 1: death the great equalizer. So as I studied Skull and
Speaker 1: Bones and looked into you know, what is this all
Speaker 1: about you know, why does Yale University have a strange
Speaker 1: contingency of very wealthy and powerful and connected and wealthy
Speaker 1: like mego wealthy people and they're all going through this
Speaker 1: one small group that only takes fifteen people per senior class.
Speaker 1: So here we are German occultism. Because if Skull and
Speaker 1: Bones is the second chapter of something that started in Germany,
Speaker 1: well what's going on in Germany?
Speaker 7: Right?
Speaker 1: So we can save skull and Bones and all that
Speaker 1: fascinating stuff for another conversation. But when I looked into
Speaker 1: you know, what is Germany and what is German occultism,
Speaker 1: it was like you know that meme where Charlie has
Speaker 1: like all this stuff on the wall with the lines
Speaker 1: and it's going crazy. But if like a dump truck
Speaker 1: of papers came through the door at the same time, like,
Speaker 1: there's a lot. And that's mainly because Germany, it's younger
Speaker 1: as a country than America is. They didn't exist when
Speaker 1: America was formed. They were city states and small kingdoms,
Speaker 1: emperors and all sorts of political YadA YadA that got
Speaker 1: basically consolidated, consolidated up into and after particularly World War One.
Speaker 1: So again, like I said before, we started the conversation.
Speaker 1: We're not going to talk much about the Nazis because
Speaker 1: there is so much to talk about. It pertains to
Speaker 1: Germany just prior to excuse me, world War one, and again,
Speaker 1: World War one was kind of what created Germany as
Speaker 1: a country in many ways, but before that it was
Speaker 1: a hodgepodge of different types of government. One of the
Speaker 1: most famous is the Bavaria, right, this little place called Bavaria,
Speaker 1: which created the Bavarian Illuminati. And some people have said, well,
Speaker 1: that must be the first chapter of the Order of
Speaker 1: Skull and Bones. I don't think it's that simple. So
Speaker 1: with Germany again, you have to understand it's only been
Speaker 1: a country for a couple centuries, and on top of that,
Speaker 1: there were all these pretty wealthy, powerful people in that area.
Speaker 1: It's kind of at the center of Europe, the heart
Speaker 1: of Europe. It's above this major obstacle in Europe, which
Speaker 1: is the Alps. Right, so the Alps have kind of
Speaker 1: left Western Europe, France, Spain, itally, even this sort of
Speaker 1: you know, stew in somewhat isolation at certain periods of history.
Speaker 1: Obviously there's different waves of people that have come in,
Speaker 1: but at a certain time in European history, a lot
Speaker 1: of the people living in these regions around the Alps
Speaker 1: where either Germanic peoples or had some connection to Germanic peoples.
Speaker 1: And really, when you start looking at well, what is
Speaker 1: you know, this occultism, where does it start? It starts
Speaker 1: with runs. Okay, Now, obviously the Germans don't have single
Speaker 1: claim on ruins. Ruins are found in multiple different European cultures.
Speaker 1: In some way might argue that they're in Asian cultures
Speaker 1: as well. But the concept of the run is very
Speaker 1: similar to the Hebrew concept that essentially forms the Kabbala
Speaker 1: with its numerical alphabet, and these same concepts are mirrored
Speaker 1: in the ruins in the sense that the notes are
Speaker 1: multi dimensional, they mean more than just the sound that
Speaker 1: you are to utter when you read it. So, in
Speaker 1: that way, the language base of many of what we
Speaker 1: now think of as the sort of Anglo Saxon, that
Speaker 1: kind of the groups of people that kind of were
Speaker 1: molded and shaped by what now we call English. Right,
Speaker 1: Germany is a precursor to English. There's a couple of
Speaker 1: other lost languages that are in those sort of I
Speaker 1: don't know the tree going to it, YadA, YadA, YadA,
Speaker 1: anything that you look at as far as pagan be
Speaker 1: a cult in England, it's all connected to this sort
Speaker 1: of singular Runic origin. Now some people talk about this
Speaker 1: coming from the Tuata day done in which you can
Speaker 1: interpret maybe as the fallen Angels. There's other people that
Speaker 1: go a step further and have other interpretations of that.
Speaker 1: There's also the again the melting pot of Germany. There's
Speaker 1: all these influences coming in from the South, from the
Speaker 1: Middle East, from Egypt, right, so a lot of mixing,
Speaker 1: and what you get is this sort of you know,
Speaker 1: culture of people who have a little bit of something
Speaker 1: from a lot of different places, and over time what
Speaker 1: you get are these people who are kind of like
Speaker 1: knowledge traders, right, Like they're in the center, so as
Speaker 1: people are moving through their area, that becomes sort of
Speaker 1: like the you know, key cultural value of those areas
Speaker 1: is that they're accumulating the knowledge of the people who
Speaker 1: are passing through to trade and make their way from
Speaker 1: Europe to the Holy Land and then back from the
Speaker 1: Holy Land to wherever they're from in Europe. And you know,
Speaker 1: again this great exchange all of the wisdom, knowledge, scientific
Speaker 1: innovation from the Arabic Renaissance, which was going on during
Speaker 1: the Dark Ages, right, So Europe was basically suppressed by
Speaker 1: the powers that be at the time, and because of that,
Speaker 1: these innovations were not shared with Europe on a large scale.
Speaker 1: And then when these crusades started happening, it was like
Speaker 1: the floodgates opened. Right now, all of this to say,
Speaker 1: and I'm going to pause and let you guys ask questions,
Speaker 1: all of this created what we now think of as
Speaker 1: the university system. Okay, so this, the origin of what
Speaker 1: we now think of as a university is in this
Speaker 1: region that we now call Germany, and it was these
Speaker 1: learned people who were in some ways trying to create
Speaker 1: political power with this, right the Holy Roman Empire, which
Speaker 1: some people have said wasn't holy, it wasn't Roman, and
Speaker 1: it wasn't really an empire. Right. So again you have
Speaker 1: this kind of weird identity crisis with and this is
Speaker 1: you know what people talk about when the Nazi conversation
Speaker 1: comes up. You have this really strange identity crisis too
Speaker 1: going on in these regions where you know, they're not
Speaker 1: exactly German, Like what that means to be German is
Speaker 1: kind of like a fabricated being in the same way
Speaker 1: that you know, what it means to be American has
Speaker 1: been sort of created over the and shaped and changed
Speaker 1: over the past. You know, four hundred years of history
Speaker 1: in America. Well, in Germany it's a smaller period of
Speaker 1: time and they have a much larger history base to
Speaker 1: go off of. So what happens again with the the Nazis,
Speaker 1: which I'm not so well versed in, but what you'll
Speaker 1: learn when you when you type in German occultism is
Speaker 1: you'll get hit with the Nazis and you'll you'll learn
Speaker 1: that Well, the Nazis they wanted to you know, sway
Speaker 1: the people, So they built up this mytho poetical propaganda.
Speaker 1: They created the idea of the Ubermensch, and they used
Speaker 1: the myths and legends that were popular to the folk people,
Speaker 1: and they created this idea of a superior German Man.
Speaker 1: And this was the basis of the political fearvor that
Speaker 1: the you're you know, upheaved right, So in that sense,
Speaker 1: you know, there's a there's a truth to that, but
Speaker 1: then there's also a denial of of the other factors
Speaker 1: when you just look at that. So again, we don't
Speaker 1: need to spend really any time talking about the Nazi stuff,
Speaker 1: but it does really have its roots in this time
Speaker 1: period of Germany, which we now talk about as the
Speaker 1: age of the Teutonic Knights. Right, So the Teutonic Knights
Speaker 1: were kind of like a more organized version of the
Speaker 1: Knights Templar, and they became in essence the learned men
Speaker 1: who developed rose Crucianism. Okay, rose a Crucianism was a
Speaker 1: very very secretive, very unreal in the sense that people
Speaker 1: could kind of just tend to be one, and you
Speaker 1: know some people might you know, not be one at all,
Speaker 1: but other people later in time were like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: he was a Rosicrucian because they wanted to, you know,
Speaker 1: boost themselves up by association. But either way, this culture
Speaker 1: that was growing in that area became again the university system,
Speaker 1: and then conversely, in England it became Freemasonry. And this
Speaker 1: is important because that gets into why World War One happened.
Speaker 1: So we don't have to get to that right now
Speaker 1: because I just said a lot. But essentially what you
Speaker 1: have in Germany is a secret culture of people who
Speaker 1: don't really feel maybe necessarily nationalistic because their nation is
Speaker 1: so young, and maybe they have patriotic or patriarchal ties
Speaker 1: that go deeper. And this is where the culture of
Speaker 1: secret societies really flourishes, right because you have people who
Speaker 1: are used to the old system, a new system is
Speaker 1: imposed on them, and what do they do. They go
Speaker 1: underground so they can maintain those older structures of power.
Speaker 1: It connects to the Crusades, It goes back to the
Speaker 1: time of Pagans again with the Ruins, and if you
Speaker 1: look up like Teutonic paganism, you're going to find a
Speaker 1: lot of neo pagan stuff, which is arguably synthetic in
Speaker 1: the sense that it's a synthesis of new stuff, like
Speaker 1: a lot of the New Age is. But what you
Speaker 1: have to realize is that this country, Germany produced some
Speaker 1: of the brilliant people that changed what became the twentieth century.
Speaker 1: So again the German and people and everything that happened
Speaker 1: with Hitler. As a conspiracy theorist, we might argue that, well,
Speaker 1: obviously they wanted to, you know, get some rains on
Speaker 1: this machine before it, you know, ran a muck and
Speaker 1: became a behemoth or these. And again I'm not a
Speaker 1: Nazi sympathizer in any way, but there's also the argument
Speaker 1: that you know this was these people were not what
Speaker 1: they history tells us they are, and they had an
Speaker 1: idealistic goal in mind, and the whole issue with the
Speaker 1: Jews was not and so on and so forth. Right,
Speaker 1: So there's a lot of conspiracies there. Again, I'm not
Speaker 1: an expert in any of that, but I think it's
Speaker 1: important to understand the prehistory of what became Nazi Germany
Speaker 1: in order to really understand what we're going through today,
Speaker 1: because the terms Nazi have not died, like, people still
Speaker 1: use that term in a pejorative way, and you know,
Speaker 1: in a sense, it's kind of ironic because the people
Speaker 1: who practice socialism will then turn and call people who
Speaker 1: they consider republican or fascist Trump, They'll call them not Nazis,
Speaker 1: right even though their you know, ideology is very much
Speaker 1: in line with the national socialism and YadA, YadA, YadA.
Speaker 1: So there's a lot of strange stuff going on. And
Speaker 1: I think once you start to understand the nineteenth century
Speaker 1: and the sort of foreshadowing of World War One, it
Speaker 1: starts to make sense why Germany at some point in
Speaker 1: time became a target. Right. It was never a country
Speaker 1: of its own with its own history, so it became
Speaker 1: a target, you know, basically by smaller countries around that,
Speaker 1: people who were within Germany who didn't feel again nationalistic
Speaker 1: towards this new nation state idea, and in the age
Speaker 1: of imperialism, a lot of people were like corporations, fuck
Speaker 1: the government. Like this whole atheistic anarchist sentiment really came
Speaker 1: from that time period when children were being forced to
Speaker 1: work in I mean horrible conditions and that was the
Speaker 1: foundation that created their lives. So the children who grew
Speaker 1: up working in those conditions, what do you think their
Speaker 1: children ended up like? Right, So it's a degradation along
Speaker 1: with the progress that's been made. Right, It's sort of
Speaker 1: a bell curve kind of situation. But yeah, I think
Speaker 1: the secret societies eventually just divorced themselves from this idea
Speaker 1: of being attached to any nation, and it was really
Speaker 1: convenient to do it in a place like Germany where
Speaker 1: things were kind of young and people again didn't feel
Speaker 1: this connection. Necessarily, all of that had to be kind
Speaker 1: of stirred up by these propagandists that were part of
Speaker 1: the Nazis. And again, now you try to look up
Speaker 1: some of this German occultism stuff, and it's very murky
Speaker 1: because you get a lot of stuff about the Nazis,
Speaker 1: but Faust this, I mean, this is like kind of
Speaker 1: the benchmark and a lot of the stuff he wrote.
Speaker 1: I might be mixing his name with one of his plays.
Speaker 1: I always do that with Faust. It's either the name
Speaker 1: of play.
Speaker 6: Yeah it is a play, it's by Gerta or Goth
Speaker 6: g O T HG.
Speaker 1: I'm thinking, so go, thank you, so Gota Gerta as
Speaker 1: the German, as a as an untrained Englishman, I say
Speaker 1: Goth But he was was very much a pillar. When
Speaker 1: I talk about the influence that Germany had on the
Speaker 1: rest of the world, and how they carried this idea
Speaker 1: of occultism into Western civilization and it really became part
Speaker 1: and parcel to the way we see the world now
Speaker 1: and how it's kind of split up and rational materialism
Speaker 1: and super zealous religious and everything in between. This is
Speaker 1: that Hegelian dialect that you know, Hegel inspired so many
Speaker 1: with who were in that area. George Hegel another interesting
Speaker 1: character who was at some university in Germany. I think
Speaker 1: I said five or ten minutes ago that I was
Speaker 1: going to pause, so.
Speaker 8: I was like shit, I was like, you said one
Speaker 8: more thing, I think it's been like three I'm like,
Speaker 8: I'm gonna stop.
Speaker 6: I have a lot of stuff that goes along with that.
Speaker 6: As far as Prussia, when you look at all the
Speaker 6: surrounding duchies Pomeranian, you had the Habsburg line that was
Speaker 6: basically working for the Roman Empire and they were coming
Speaker 6: in and slowly crushing out all these small duchies and
Speaker 6: taking them over. And as far as the university system,
Speaker 6: that's part of it, but you also have the Prussian
Speaker 6: education system that was set up. There was a school,
Speaker 6: the military Pipeline that basically John Dewey and Man basically
Speaker 6: studied and brought back to the United States and gave
Speaker 6: basically the United States the Prussian education system, you know. So,
Speaker 6: but as far as all the vulk and going back
Speaker 6: into the traditional you know, thoughts of the people that
Speaker 6: were in the Rhine Land, you get into you know,
Speaker 6: like if you read James G. Frasier, he goes on
Speaker 6: and on and on about all of these fertility rituals
Speaker 6: and like sending a bull between two fires to get
Speaker 6: the demon out from in between their home wrns and
Speaker 6: just like what was I going to say?
Speaker 1: The uh?
Speaker 6: But yeah, it's it's oh, the U. In one part
Speaker 6: he talked about if there was a traveler passing by
Speaker 6: in the Rhineland that they would basically capture him and
Speaker 6: sacrifice him to the corn goat or the depending on
Speaker 6: the region. They had these different types of animals they
Speaker 6: would make out of the the crops of the field,
Speaker 6: and so it was a big thing in regard to
Speaker 6: the fertility of the land and that bringing forth life
Speaker 6: to you know, feed the culture and the people basically.
Speaker 6: But yeah, it's it's a it's a very interesting and
Speaker 6: deep subject.
Speaker 10: That's before Germany, you're saying, that's like Germany.
Speaker 6: Yeah, and Prussia, they had promised them a constitutional government
Speaker 6: over and over and over, and a lot of what
Speaker 6: Prussia really was was they were experimenting with different types
Speaker 6: of corporate like to tease as far as using corporations
Speaker 6: to rule over government. And I think this was a
Speaker 6: pre subsidiary and study of what they later brought in
Speaker 6: regard to contract magic to the rest of the world.
Speaker 1: Mm hmm. Thank you for all two that. Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: that's it's and it's important to say that Prussia was
Speaker 1: not necessarily a part of Germany until later on, and
Speaker 1: Prussia kind of collapsed I think before World War two,
Speaker 1: or maybe because of World War One, but yeah, it
Speaker 1: definitely was a aggressive adversarial influence and that whole fertility
Speaker 1: cult dynamic. One book that is really interesting that I
Speaker 1: encourage people to seek out. It's titled Night Battles and
Speaker 1: it studies a particular place in Italy, but this was
Speaker 1: not isolated to Italy. These types of practices. What they
Speaker 1: would do is they would have warlocks and witches in
Speaker 1: the community who were essentially designated in their childhood because
Speaker 1: of certain attributes that were displayed, characteristics, signs that this
Speaker 1: person might have, you know, other worldly abilities, which I
Speaker 1: kind of believe that these things are naturally expressed when
Speaker 1: humans are in a more natural environment or an environment
Speaker 1: that's more natural for our biology. But either way, they
Speaker 1: would battle with other regions nearby in their dreams. So
Speaker 1: these witches and warlocks would wear certain outfits to bed,
Speaker 1: and because the clothing they were wearing had been charged
Speaker 1: all day or I forget exactly the specifics of the ritual,
Speaker 1: but they would wear the these battle outfits to bed
Speaker 1: and then in their dreams go and fight with other
Speaker 1: agrarian communities in the area over exactly what our Marx
Speaker 1: just pointed out the fertility cult, because there was sort
Speaker 1: of like this idea that the abundance or the fertility
Speaker 1: that the earth could offer was limited. And maybe you know,
Speaker 1: if if you couldn't beckon favor from the gods, well
Speaker 1: you can maybe you know, hurt your enemy so they
Speaker 1: don't get as much of that energy and more of
Speaker 1: it comes to you. I'm sure there's other justifications for
Speaker 1: it is as well.
Speaker 12: Hiss and Uh. I think Hess and Crowley were doing.
Speaker 12: They were dressing up in these like robes with all
Speaker 12: these sigils on them and like kind of having a
Speaker 12: duel or something like as like a chaos wizard or.
Speaker 5: I mean, I don't know.
Speaker 1: At context, it's like wow, like during World War two,
Speaker 1: to people who were loosely affiliated with either sides of
Speaker 1: the Axis and ally powers were battling each other with
Speaker 1: the cult symbols behind the scenes.
Speaker 13: I got a story about that.
Speaker 1: This is ancient time go ahead.
Speaker 13: Right, So in World War two, the Nazis actually used
Speaker 13: dowsers as their means of hunting submarines. So they were
Speaker 13: using map dowsers, using the pendulums to find out where
Speaker 13: these submarines were and they actually had a pretty good
Speaker 13: track record of doing it until Gerald Gardner was passed
Speaker 13: by the British government to start doing Cone of Power
Speaker 13: rituals with his Wika group, and so they were blocking
Speaker 13: the Nazi dowsers from finding these submarines. They also used
Speaker 13: dowsing to find El Duce in Italy because they kept
Speaker 13: transferring him between these palaces, and they actually got an
Speaker 13: extraction team to pull you know, the dictator of Italy
Speaker 13: out using these mapdousers and trying to find his location.
Speaker 5: Wow, that really makes you think, like, was the whole
Speaker 5: war done behind the scenes through all these certain like
Speaker 5: kind of This.
Speaker 1: Is more examples to demonstrate that point that you just
Speaker 1: brought out jewels and you made a great point like
Speaker 1: this is going on behind the scenes, and I'm here
Speaker 1: to tell you it's been going on.
Speaker 5: Yeah, from what you mentioned, it was happening way earlier
Speaker 5: in these other kind of Germanic oh yeah communities. Yeah yeah.
Speaker 1: Man Napolyan in his Great Conquest, whate was one of
Speaker 1: the things he did. He went to Egypt and he
Speaker 1: basically inspired the creation of what we now think of
Speaker 1: as Egyptology because he sent so many of his skilled learned.
Speaker 1: You know, they didn't call them scientists at the time,
Speaker 1: but they were essentially scientists before scientists were recognized as scientists.
Speaker 1: And they studied Egypt, and they brought all these you know,
Speaker 1: illustrations back to different universities and you know this. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was it was like this resurgence that in some ways,
Speaker 1: like people might have heard about these mummy parties where
Speaker 1: they would take a mummy. They would these wealthy people
Speaker 1: who could afford to buy mummy, they would unwrap it
Speaker 1: at a party. I mean, could you imagine.
Speaker 5: Drink from it?
Speaker 1: Right, they would run the.
Speaker 10: Up right Now, it's like for rich people. That's like
Speaker 10: the rich people can't nip and.
Speaker 5: They just.
Speaker 4: St It was taken like a like medicine, right, Yeah, like.
Speaker 1: Marina Abram God ritual where she gives you a fake
Speaker 1: human body to eat and the ritual aspect of it, Yeah,
Speaker 1: might have some medicinal value if you're in that state
Speaker 1: of mind. I mean, placebo is a powerful thing. Who
Speaker 1: knows what the help she's adding to that cake mix.
Speaker 13: All the people who could afford to buy these mummies
Speaker 13: and consume them were probably in these bloodlines.
Speaker 5: Right, They go all the way back to Egypt, raw
Speaker 5: eating their ancestry.
Speaker 13: That's what they're doing. I mean, that's ancestraphagi. That's very common.
Speaker 1: See.
Speaker 10: That's why I'm That's why I'm glad I'm broke, is
Speaker 10: because if I was rich and I had to do
Speaker 10: this ship, I fucking killed myself. Like really, I have
Speaker 10: to eat dead corpse, moldy, dusty ass and.
Speaker 1: They actually conditioned like your whole life is is mansions
Speaker 1: and fine dining, and you know you're so sick of
Speaker 1: like the most expensive plate here. Could imagine buying at
Speaker 1: a restaurant that you're like, oh, yeah, let's spice it
Speaker 1: up with charred bone from a you know, torture yummy.
Speaker 1: Because I don't know where this you or this was
Speaker 1: going to go maybe YouTube, but God forbid.
Speaker 4: But we still do it today. Rhinoceros.
Speaker 1: Uh, you're going to say that.
Speaker 4: That stuff they still do it today.
Speaker 1: Chinese medicines and powders and you know, starfish actually.
Speaker 9: Protects against poisons, so they usually make cups out of it,
Speaker 9: like three thousand years in China.
Speaker 10: So I did have a question for Mark, just really quick,
Speaker 10: cool I do eventually did you say that I'm probably
Speaker 10: going to say this wrong, but it was the Tuatha
Speaker 10: Denan people. Yes, they were in and around that area
Speaker 10: before like Germany was like popping off hard or they
Speaker 10: were like trying to settle that area or what were they?
Speaker 1: So to my memory, which could be a little faulty,
Speaker 1: there were a group of people that we remember as
Speaker 1: the Fomorians, and they actually sound a lot more like
Speaker 1: what we now think of as Sasquatch, maybe what we
Speaker 1: would have called in the past giants or Nephelim. And
Speaker 1: there was a counterpart to the Fomorians who were battling
Speaker 1: the Fomorians, and they had a different name. But I
Speaker 1: think Tuatha day don In it's kind of like a
Speaker 1: term that falsely gets used to call these people, but
Speaker 1: really like that's more like like you wouldn't call you know,
Speaker 1: the Lord of the Rings characters, those guys from the
Speaker 1: Lord of the Rings. You'd call them hobbits, right or
Speaker 1: the wizard, So kind of like that Like this, I
Speaker 1: think the Tuatha day done In is like the legend itself,
Speaker 1: and then there are characters within it that are these
Speaker 1: people that, according to the legend, came from the other world. Okay, now, in.
Speaker 4: And return to it. What's that and return to it?
Speaker 1: Right? Right?
Speaker 4: Well, I lost the battle that left depicts in the Ireland.
Speaker 4: So they lost, they lost the last battle. That's why
Speaker 4: it's called the Last Battle of of the of the City.
Speaker 4: And they retreated to the to their dimension.
Speaker 6: And there's some also links with them to the Tower
Speaker 6: of Babel as well.
Speaker 10: Well, yeah, I was gonna say that to you. It's
Speaker 10: like they're the ancient Bloodliners, right, They're like the the
Speaker 10: ones people assume are some type of nephi Lean type beings,
Speaker 10: magical beings, and I don't know, I mean I think
Speaker 10: some of them stuck around. I think we got traces
Speaker 10: of them.
Speaker 1: Think about it like this, we have all these we'll
Speaker 1: call them a Runic legends and the Tuatha Dayden. This
Speaker 1: story is kind of in that culture of Celtic gal
Speaker 1: you know, the Nordic and the fusion of those people
Speaker 1: into what became kind of this idea of a German person, right,
Speaker 1: all of that was floating around in the folklore, and
Speaker 1: then they start mixing and intermingling with the Moors and
Speaker 1: the Jews and the Arabs, and they're like, oh my gosh,
Speaker 1: you guys have the same stories like you guys are
Speaker 1: talking about these beings too, So this is kind of
Speaker 1: where some of the people were like, all right, let's
Speaker 1: you know, let's consolidate this, right. And I'm not saying
Speaker 1: that was right because a lot of people were killed
Speaker 1: under the cross and a sword, you know, the whole
Speaker 1: Christianization of Europe, and we still have that going on
Speaker 1: in some ways today with what's going on in Gaza.
Speaker 1: So we don't need to get super political. But yeah,
Speaker 1: there's there's definitely some implications that still carry through to
Speaker 1: this day. But to get it all back to, you know,
Speaker 1: this idea that warfare and occultism might be somehow connected,
Speaker 1: like if you go back to the you know, the
Speaker 1: furthest reaches of what warfare was, every single general who's
Speaker 1: worth his salt had a mystic, a seer, a dis honor,
Speaker 1: an astronomer exactly. Yeah, they all.
Speaker 5: Rel Regan had like twelve of them in the White House. Dude,
Speaker 5: I'm pretty sure he had twelve anomers.
Speaker 13: Yeah, astrologer and.
Speaker 1: That was astrologer. Sorry, Reagan had Hollywood astrology. This is
Speaker 1: a little different. You know, maybe some scientology makes in
Speaker 1: there too, so that.
Speaker 13: Hollywood astrologer, though she's the one who advised them on
Speaker 13: the Just Say No.
Speaker 1: Campaign and going really hard on drugs.
Speaker 13: Because his whole, uh, his whole campaign was kind of
Speaker 13: falling apart because people saw how how he was deteriorating physically,
Speaker 13: and so his astrologer suggested, you need a cause that
Speaker 13: everybody can rally around, and that's when they started this
Speaker 13: Just Say No campaign because it was astrologically significant.
Speaker 10: Well, somebody brought up the other day how like Mary
Speaker 10: Todd Lincoln was in there conjuring freaking dead corpses and
Speaker 10: shit too. I mean, they were all kind of into
Speaker 10: that stuff. But it's it's kind of like what Mark
Speaker 10: was saying, if you go back past the Nazis and
Speaker 10: you go back past like all the sensationalized stuff, all
Speaker 10: of this has its roots in some type of like
Speaker 10: ancient occultism, like ancient.
Speaker 6: And stuff.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I have a question from did you have any
Speaker 2: did you have any your research look at a specific
Speaker 2: location in Germany as we're stopping, because in some of
Speaker 2: the work that Nick and I did, we were noticing
Speaker 2: how some of these very notorious oultist Michael Myers, Henrik
Speaker 2: Kruhmroth Kunroth was the guy who Basically, Yates referred to
Speaker 2: him as the link between John D and Rosa Chrustianism
Speaker 2: because he was able to tie in let's see by
Speaker 2: Thagorian alchemy kabala all that there are a specific area
Speaker 2: in Germany.
Speaker 1: Are you talking about Francis Yates? No, oh, Yates? Who
Speaker 1: would you say?
Speaker 2: Yates had had had done an analysis on Heinrich Kuhmroth.
Speaker 1: Oh, okay, interesting that that name is new to me.
Speaker 2: But Berlin say this, when you look at the Bapho met,
Speaker 2: the bathroom met came from Heinrich Kumeras.
Speaker 5: Okay, it didn't, So it didn't come from Levy.
Speaker 2: No, Levy even quotes in his book from honest Hieroglyphica
Speaker 2: Heinrich kumrast.
Speaker 5: I know about Moon, so I have to correct myself
Speaker 5: on the own show.
Speaker 8: Then, yeah, there's something I just wanted to get into
Speaker 8: kind of real quick.
Speaker 7: I just want to sorry, it's my show. I was
Speaker 7: just trying to speak. Uh uh. Then I'm just busting
Speaker 7: you boles. Uh.
Speaker 8: I'm glad you mentioned the Rosicrucians because I wasn't exactly
Speaker 8: sure how far back you were going to go, And
Speaker 8: like Lisa kind of even just touched on it right now.
Speaker 7: And this is I kind of wanted to go back.
Speaker 8: To where we were, maybe even a little bit earlier.
Speaker 8: And it's just a thing with with Germany or where
Speaker 8: it was. I can even see you go back to
Speaker 8: the fourteen hundreds. You've got Johannes Trithemaz, You've got Paracelsus,
Speaker 8: and you got Heinrich Cornelius Agrippa out there. Then into
Speaker 8: like the fifteen hundreds you get John d Heinrik Kumrath,
Speaker 8: Michael Maher somebody.
Speaker 7: We covered too. Uh. He was a was a crucial
Speaker 7: like apologist.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 8: Then you get like Jacob Boehm, Johannes Andre and I
Speaker 8: think Robert Flubb was out there too.
Speaker 7: Blah blah blah.
Speaker 8: You get all these people, You get all these all
Speaker 8: these people out in that like either they were from
Speaker 8: there or they specifically went there. And I'm just wondering,
Speaker 8: is there like something up with Germany in general? Is
Speaker 8: there something to do with the land? Is there a
Speaker 8: different understanding? Because like those people they even mentioned me
Speaker 8: were huge and alchemy.
Speaker 1: Because Nick, your your spot on and it helps me
Speaker 1: answer Elle's question because that was a great question too,
Speaker 1: And I yeah, still I'm looking at his Wikipedia page,
Speaker 1: I've never seen him before, but he was a disciple
Speaker 1: of Paracelsus, which was another person in that realm. He
Speaker 1: says they were in Dresd, which was bombed terribly during
Speaker 1: I think World War two. Yeah, so they were trying
Speaker 1: to destroy as much as they could there. I wouldn't
Speaker 1: be surprised if that was a spot. But Prague is
Speaker 1: another big one, although not in Germany today. Back then
Speaker 1: it was a little maybe more accessible, and again, the
Speaker 1: Holy Roman Empire was kind of centered there, so a
Speaker 1: lot of alchemy and this kind of occultism was there.
Speaker 1: But all of this to say again, remember this concept
Speaker 1: of the university and how it sort of was born
Speaker 1: in this melting pot that became Germany, the land area
Speaker 1: that we now know as Germany. There was a legend
Speaker 1: in this region of the school of the Solomandre. And
Speaker 1: I might not be saying that the way the Germans
Speaker 1: would have said it, but essentially this legend was that
Speaker 1: every you know, full moon, once a year, I think
Speaker 1: it would have been maybe on bell Tane around Halloween,
Speaker 1: thirteen men would be recruited into the forests and the
Speaker 1: devil himself would teach them the magical arts, and this
Speaker 1: legend was pervasive for you know, more than a couple centuries.
Speaker 1: It was kind of like a hey, be careful where
Speaker 1: you go in the woods, because there's a school of like,
Speaker 1: you know, wizards and warlocks taught by the devil himself.
Speaker 1: Now we can say, okay, maybe there's some metaphysical portal
Speaker 1: or some kind of supernatural explanation there, or this was
Speaker 1: some sort of offshoot of a much older cult that
Speaker 1: survived the collapse of the Roman Empire. Mithraism was a big,
Speaker 1: you know, the state cult of Rome and had a
Speaker 1: lot of these sort of fortility rituals and other things
Speaker 1: that have made their way into our culture today. The carnival,
Speaker 1: I mean the you know, the fact that we celebrate
Speaker 1: Christmas on what is it, what's the the the the
Speaker 1: Roman holiday where they like thank you Yeprenalia, which again
Speaker 1: connects back to this skull and bones idea and death.
Speaker 1: The Saturn is like the planet of death, and there's
Speaker 1: this kind of concept that you know, we can bring
Speaker 1: the you know Savior back if we all you know,
Speaker 1: destroy the world. This like millennialism concept that a lot
Speaker 1: of extreme Christian sex get into. They get into this
Speaker 1: concept that the apocalypse is happening now, the Armageddon is
Speaker 1: happening now. You know you've seen people, maybe not anymore,
Speaker 1: but I remember growing up, you know, occasionally someone would
Speaker 1: leave a pamphlet on your door or something Jehovah Witness
Speaker 1: or what have you, and it would be like, look
Speaker 1: at the end. Times are happening now, right Sta, Mark, Yes, up.
Speaker 13: In your area. Up in your area, they have the Millerites.
Speaker 13: And the Millerites were this sect of people who in
Speaker 13: the eighteen forties decided that Jesus was coming back, and
Speaker 13: so they sold all of their stuffs, and when they did,
Speaker 13: they ended up, you know, losing out. Obviously it didn't
Speaker 13: come back, and so they ended up all joining the
Speaker 13: Mormons and moving out to Utah. So I mean, that's
Speaker 13: a that's a pretty good example right there.
Speaker 9: Well, you brought up something interesting, actually headless a few
Speaker 9: minutes ago about angles. So I actually have three of
Speaker 9: them that I wrote down, because obviously all things that
Speaker 9: arise in materiality arise in time. So Mark also brought
Speaker 9: up Saturn. Saturn is actually not the planet of death, Mark,
Speaker 9: I just want to correct the record on this. Mars
Speaker 9: is really the planet of death. And this is mortruditional
Speaker 9: Vidic understanding. So I wanted to ask you about chronology.
Speaker 9: So this obviously plays off of Lisa's and nixt sort
Speaker 9: of point, because the chronology for what is codified, like
Speaker 9: what you're calling Runic texts, that didn't happen until over
Speaker 9: twelve hundred years after the more we'll say central, we'll
Speaker 9: call them Central Asian texts. So for occultism, what came
Speaker 9: about in Runic language is extremely late in comparison as
Speaker 9: well as the tree Glave of God. So I thought
Speaker 9: this was really interesting to go off Lisa's point of
Speaker 9: the alpha met figure, because there's a Pomeranian deity who
Speaker 9: looks a lot like Shiva. Shiva sometimes depicted with three heads,
Speaker 9: he really has five, but you know, three and saddened
Speaker 9: kind of go together. So yeah, so if you I
Speaker 9: don't know if you know about that. But his cult
Speaker 9: actually only ended in the same time, so like the
Speaker 9: twelve teen hundreds that the Runic texts actually arose. So
Speaker 9: I think that's really interesting. And by this time India
Speaker 9: had fully converted away from the Vidas into the Puranic Hinduism,
Speaker 9: and so that is a rejection of the Vita Kyashna,
Speaker 9: like the horse, eagle, human sacrifice, so all of that
Speaker 9: is rejected and it becomes more about well Bactis a
Speaker 9: little bit later in the seventeen hundreds, but like things
Speaker 9: like that, like it's more ritualistic a little more. It's
Speaker 9: more personal with the deity. It's not so state ritual.
Speaker 9: But I think that also. My last point is is
Speaker 9: about the Arab Renaissance. So this is a contentious issue
Speaker 9: in Central Asian studies simply because the Arabs quote unquote
Speaker 9: who really innovated were actually Mogalized Indians. So the mogalized
Speaker 9: rulers of India during this puronicerd they were the ones
Speaker 9: who were synthesizing the Vedic texts often are not Vedic,
Speaker 9: excuse me, contric texts, chronic astrology texts and the shastras,
Speaker 9: sometimes by way of Iran, but usually by way of
Speaker 9: India and the Himalayas especially. So I just think that's
Speaker 9: really interesting because you mentioned the ruins. Obviously we have
Speaker 9: this idea and sounds great of the jas the seed
Speaker 9: syllables Kabala has the sufferer of their negative space, so
Speaker 9: it's it's like the unmanifest sound.
Speaker 1: Well, and that reminds me of well, and I should
Speaker 1: say thank you, because I just learned a few things
Speaker 1: there for sure, and now I didn't know some of that.
Speaker 1: I think I'm doing my best to paint more of
Speaker 1: a broad strokes of the history so people can have
Speaker 1: some more you know, key concepts to then do their
Speaker 1: own research and verify the things that I'm saying, because
Speaker 1: you know, it's not all perfect. I don't have a
Speaker 1: degree in this. I'm sure an academic would probably laugh
Speaker 1: at what I'm saying, but either way, yeah, very interesting point.
Speaker 1: And I think Germany or this region that became known
Speaker 1: as Germany, was very much in this auspicious area where
Speaker 1: it could garner that influence from you know, that part
Speaker 1: of the world, the Asia, Central Asia and beyond, before
Speaker 1: the rest of Western Europe could. And because of that,
Speaker 1: you see this what we now think of as like
Speaker 1: the when Eastern mysticism starts to filter into European culture
Speaker 1: and really you know, creates what then becomes in some
Speaker 1: ways the proto New Age, right, this theosophy movement where
Speaker 1: people are kind of blending things from different religions and
Speaker 1: supernatural belief systems together into this. Sorry, there's some bikers
Speaker 1: across the street interrupting me. So there's a lot going
Speaker 1: on in this whole conversation. So any clarifications that any
Speaker 1: of you have are welcome from me.
Speaker 4: Well, Mark, I just wanted to ask a question because
Speaker 4: I might be wrong here, because I see we've been
Speaker 4: talking about Germanic occultism and I haven't heard a word
Speaker 4: about the Norse. So it all starts there. So about
Speaker 4: five hundred PC maybe earlier still, so they expanded all
Speaker 4: the way into Russia. They had trade routes going back
Speaker 4: and forward. They assimilated and produced most of their mythology
Speaker 4: into the into the Russian vice versa. So and the
Speaker 4: Ruins were born there, so they're in the Norse area.
Speaker 4: So how how do you relate all of this? Like
Speaker 4: Ig Dressel, that's brag.
Speaker 1: Yeah, No, I'm glad you raised that point because I
Speaker 1: did mention it, but I probably just glossed over it.
Speaker 1: But that is the foundation of what we consider now
Speaker 1: paganism in this area. Right nowadays, it's just kind of
Speaker 1: glossed over. Ah, they were pagans, But you're right, it
Speaker 1: was a Nordic fusion of the Really, the basis was
Speaker 1: this Nordic ideology, and as it moved south, you know,
Speaker 1: things got added into it, right, The Roman Greek cultures
Speaker 1: sort of fused with this. But these guys that we
Speaker 1: think of as Teutonic knights, I mean, if you were
Speaker 1: to put them in a lineup, you might think they
Speaker 1: were vikings because of the way they dressed the weapons.
Speaker 1: So yeah, the cultural influences and connections were definitely there.
Speaker 1: It was the southern extent of that Nordic culture, so absolutely,
Speaker 1: but it was very much influenced by the moving eastward
Speaker 1: and westward in that part of Germany or now now Germany,
Speaker 1: whereas Scandinavia was much more isolated, right, so their culture
Speaker 1: still retains a lot of that, whereas was confused and
Speaker 1: gold and it was diffused into the oh yeah it's
Speaker 1: very cold, Yeah, absolutely, but it was more so diffused
Speaker 1: into you know what happened as things changed throughout you know,
Speaker 1: what became the Industrial Revolution, World Wars. I mean, one
Speaker 1: of them still an anarchy, so not much has changed
Speaker 1: up there.
Speaker 4: So how do you associate the fact that some organizations
Speaker 4: that we I don't know the name at least you
Speaker 4: might know that used elements like Saint Germain for instance,
Speaker 4: to reorganize the whole Central Europe into new kingdoms, new kings,
Speaker 4: uh new rules, deposing great kings and sitating by new kings,
Speaker 4: and reorganizing Germany as we see it today, much earlier
Speaker 4: than the First World War. How do you see that?
Speaker 4: Who to you was behind the scenes and controlling these
Speaker 4: real agents, not like zero zero seiling, but real agents
Speaker 4: on the field that were dominating this scenario.
Speaker 1: Well, I think the people of this portion of Europe
Speaker 1: had some catching up to do in a sense, right,
Speaker 1: because as the great Pilgrims left Europe and went to
Speaker 1: America and the revolution happened. You know, obviously Freemason, these
Speaker 1: occult Freemasonry and these occult groups had made their way
Speaker 1: all across Europe by then, but they have their origins
Speaker 1: in this area, right, So the people in this area,
Speaker 1: after all these wars going on, I mean the nineteenth century,
Speaker 1: in the eighteenth century, there are a lot of wars
Speaker 1: in Europe going on different periods with different factions of people.
Speaker 1: And through all this upheaval you have the American Revolution
Speaker 1: that happens before that, you have what happens in England
Speaker 1: where you know, they they create the parliament and so on,
Speaker 1: and so forth, the monarchy comes back, right, the French,
Speaker 1: they decapitate their monarchy. You know, they have a revolution.
Speaker 1: So this type of thinking, this kind of idea like
Speaker 1: we should you know, change things, and and and you know,
Speaker 1: in a radical way, this was looming on this area,
Speaker 1: which was obviously a source of anxiety for the powers
Speaker 1: that be, these smaller in comparison to France and the
Speaker 1: United States and the United Kingdom. I don't know that
Speaker 1: it was called that then yet, but England, you know,
Speaker 1: they were smaller in comparison, and you Knowsia wasn't that big,
Speaker 1: so right, well, and there's this revolutionary sentiment going on
Speaker 1: that's changing the whole world. So you have this balance
Speaker 1: of you have some groups who are trying to again
Speaker 1: kind of secretly keep the old world establishment influential, while
Speaker 1: at the same time trying to figure out what to
Speaker 1: do with all these revolutionaries. And some people would argue
Speaker 1: that some of the subsequent revolutions that affected you know,
Speaker 1: Russia in a major way, Germany in a major way,
Speaker 1: were artificially, you know, sort of fomented by you know,
Speaker 1: people on the perimeter, not necessarily the countries that ultimately
Speaker 1: fell victim to these cultural movements. It's very hard to
Speaker 1: pin down. It's very murky. That's why the idea of
Speaker 1: the Illuminati is so pervasive. If I had to answer
Speaker 1: your question as precisely as I could, I would look
Speaker 1: to the University of Ingolstad. I would look to the
Speaker 1: players in Berlin at the time around you know, this
Speaker 1: very crucial time period where again they're sort of reacting
Speaker 1: to what's going on in America and France and they're like,
Speaker 1: all right, what are we going to do? And the
Speaker 1: Illuminati has created it was a short lived venture.
Speaker 4: Of Louis fourteen and Louis fifteen, so against Belgium, against England,
Speaker 4: the reorganization of Prussia into into Germany, pro pro proto country,
Speaker 4: the elimination of kings. This is much earlier than that,
Speaker 4: so it precedes all that these organizations were already on
Speaker 4: the field programming what we have today. Let's put it
Speaker 4: this way. So I was just curious if you have
Speaker 4: a name for that organization, because that that has eluded
Speaker 4: me on my research.
Speaker 1: No, No, and that you might have a lot more
Speaker 1: to offer in this topic than I do, because you know,
Speaker 1: I'm going into this trying to figure out you know,
Speaker 1: what's going on with skull and Bones? And then I
Speaker 1: run into you know, like I said, this dump truck
Speaker 1: of information that is a cult Germany. So yeah, there's
Speaker 1: a lot and I don't know it.
Speaker 6: I didn't want to starry.
Speaker 1: Oh sorry, go ahead.
Speaker 13: It should be pointed out though, that in World War
Speaker 13: One the Europe wiped out nine out of ten of
Speaker 13: their aristocrats, so it was severely limited by the time
Speaker 13: that World War Two came around and they didn't really
Speaker 13: have any of that kind of leadership, so they were
Speaker 13: all looking for a new leader.
Speaker 1: And this kind of brings me to maybe answer Ricardo's
Speaker 1: question a little bit better too. Not my own work
Speaker 1: or research, but I recently was listening to Joe atwill
Speaker 1: talk on the Higher Side Chats, and I believe in
Speaker 1: this conversation he mentioned that by the time of World
Speaker 1: War One, most of the monarchs in Europe were related
Speaker 1: in some way to Queen Victoria, and Queen Victoria was
Speaker 1: the German infiltration of the English monarchy in many ways,
Speaker 1: though you have the again, those powers that be were
Speaker 1: stressed out in the revolutionary time. They're like, what are
Speaker 1: we gonna do? Where are we gonna go? We create
Speaker 1: these sort of secret societies and you sort of see
Speaker 1: them behind the scenes amalgamate their powers into these nations
Speaker 1: that then become these groups that you know, I think
Speaker 1: might be best named as the builder Burghs. Right, if
Speaker 1: we're talking about Europe, I mean the builder Burgs would
Speaker 1: probably be the people that are retaining the bloodline. That's
Speaker 1: I mean a little bit of a cop out because
Speaker 1: I haven't researched that myself to the omph degree. But yeah,
Speaker 1: it's a it's a strange web of history. But I
Speaker 1: think when you look at England and that age of imperialism,
Speaker 1: there's a strong German connection. Even in America. A lot
Speaker 1: of the industry in America was done by German immigrants.
Speaker 5: That's where the Vladdy Vladi Impaler that whole.
Speaker 4: Right, grandpe and of Prince Charles, right, so Grandpa and
Speaker 4: no uncle, grandparent uncle off Prince.
Speaker 5: Charles through the Germanic bloodline, right, Okay, they were all Germanic,
Speaker 5: so right right, right, Okay, So.
Speaker 6: I was going to say, when you get into this
Speaker 6: whole prehistory of kind of Germania, you also get within
Speaker 6: the Balder worship of Baalder the Beautiful, you have the
Speaker 6: fire festivals that generally took place on June twenty third,
Speaker 6: and they would roll these wagon wheels on fire down
Speaker 6: the down the hills and they would have all these
Speaker 6: This is where we get the maypole and the hedge king,
Speaker 6: where basically they would bake the bread like you get
Speaker 6: at Marty Grass that has the little baby in it,
Speaker 6: and whoever gets to the baby is the king for
Speaker 6: the day, and they would basically, you know, treat this
Speaker 6: person extravagantly, give him the greatest food, the best drinks,
Speaker 6: all the women, and then at the end of the
Speaker 6: day he would be the sacrifice that they would basically
Speaker 6: for the fertility of the coming grow season. And and
Speaker 6: then when you go later and you get into like
Speaker 6: the vulk of you know, the Nazis, they're kind of
Speaker 6: harkening back to this this time. But the as far
Speaker 6: as the people kind of behind the scenes that were
Speaker 6: very much building the sacred spaces, they were the Zimmerman,
Speaker 6: which were equivalent to the cathedral builders. So you have
Speaker 6: this whole school of mystics that are kind of creating
Speaker 6: these woodland type elven structures that look, you know, Mark,
Speaker 6: go ahead.
Speaker 13: Mark, Robbie, I just gotta throw this in there. So
Speaker 13: what you're talking about is bell tank. That's the that's
Speaker 13: the feat that's made first. Yeah, bail tang, that's where
Speaker 13: it because in the in the Bronze Age, the Phoenicians
Speaker 13: had to get their uh their tin from England, so
Speaker 13: they had a connection all the way back there. So
Speaker 13: all of this stuff coming out of there you go
Speaker 13: b later on, all of this stuff comes through that
Speaker 13: uh that Carthaginian slash. And again you were just talking
Speaker 13: about these uh, these builders. That's Biblos. That's one of
Speaker 13: the main cities of Phoenicia.
Speaker 6: And that's where the gibb them were that King Hiram
Speaker 6: called up to go work on Solomon simple.
Speaker 13: The mighty men right all in there, and if you
Speaker 13: go to Irish mythology, it's all right there.
Speaker 4: They've almost got the Yeah, like you were talking.
Speaker 6: About, back to ham basically.
Speaker 2: Forgive me, I'm in really quickly. But toom back to
Speaker 2: my point that I think Germany and Mark, I think
Speaker 2: this is extremely important research. I genuinely believe that, and
Speaker 2: so the German cultism research that you're presenting today I
Speaker 2: think is extremely important talked about and discussed because Germany
Speaker 2: was not just the layover between you know England to
Speaker 2: Austria to go visit Rudolph, who was a patron of
Speaker 2: all of the mystics and occultists, and I think he
Speaker 2: kind of collected them all there. When you look at
Speaker 2: some of the most influential occultist mystics alchemists across the board,
Speaker 2: they are German, they are from Germany, they were educated
Speaker 2: in Germany. And then you look at the inventors, you
Speaker 2: look at the people that have come up with physics,
Speaker 2: particle physics, quantum physics, extreme theory.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I'm glad you're making that point because that's what I've
Speaker 1: found with Yale University too, in a microcosm kind of way.
Speaker 1: And I just talked to somebody today about Rudolph Diesel,
Speaker 1: another German who I don't think he was actually raised
Speaker 1: in Germany, but yeah, very interesting character. Sorry to interrupt
Speaker 1: you out. Yeah, I'm just not at all.
Speaker 2: But how influential not only their physics throughout the world
Speaker 2: and throughout history, but their mathematics, but their chemistry.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I was excited to go back to the mask
Speaker 7: that we've got Germany.
Speaker 2: And it is almost sadly to say the measuring stick
Speaker 2: yea of influence globally.
Speaker 4: It is no coincidence that the Dresden Dresden Library is
Speaker 4: perhaps one of the few that can compete with the
Speaker 4: Vatican Library. And they have a collection of restricts books
Speaker 4: that are exposed in a a large structure in the
Speaker 4: middle of the building and protected by glass and temperate
Speaker 4: and so.
Speaker 2: It interesting contains all the courtses.
Speaker 6: Yeah, the resident they burned to the ground, they said
Speaker 6: the fire was hotter than the sun, than the surface
Speaker 6: of the sun in those those mass bombings.
Speaker 4: Sure, look, they just eliminated all the dissidents within their
Speaker 4: bloodlines and those that they considered that were bustards are
Speaker 4: not pure, and they concentrated all this bloodline into one
Speaker 4: single group and then spread it all over Europe to
Speaker 4: regain control to one single bloodline because it has been
Speaker 4: spreading from chieftains and warlords and whatnot. So that's why
Speaker 4: they took all the measures they could to eliminate everyone
Speaker 4: and especially those that were not in agreement with this
Speaker 4: group that no one knows the name, that had these
Speaker 4: agents in the field to reorganize the history of Europe,
Speaker 4: and that is what they were doing. Yeah, Casanova was
Speaker 4: one of them.
Speaker 6: So it was it was a huge threat to Europe
Speaker 6: itself as far as just the rise, and then you
Speaker 6: get into the Kaiser and the size of his army
Speaker 6: and the fact that they said that when he told
Speaker 6: his army to start marching, if he immediately gave the
Speaker 6: order to stop, it would take two weeks once the
Speaker 6: machine started turning.
Speaker 14: You know.
Speaker 6: It's it's just the immensity of this thing that Europe
Speaker 6: was very, very threatened by.
Speaker 4: Sure, But it was all connected somehow, because we know
Speaker 4: that individuals like I repeat Sanchama and Giacomo that is
Speaker 4: more common commonly known as Casanova. They they their studies
Speaker 4: went all over the place to study with is mystics.
Speaker 4: And this this enlightened people inclusively into the library of
Speaker 4: the Vatican when we noticed because Casanova told the Pope, look,
Speaker 4: I like this stuff and all, but please don't make
Speaker 4: me go there because I'm not interested in reading anything
Speaker 4: of that. He was more interested in woman and stuff.
Speaker 4: But he played his part. But they all go into
Speaker 4: all these places. So to say that the Vatican was
Speaker 4: against these groups is not correct, because they they went
Speaker 4: all over the place. It's all all for show, basically,
Speaker 4: because these associations were infiltrated everywhere.
Speaker 7: Yeah, well, the.
Speaker 1: People often point at the Jesuits as a big you know,
Speaker 1: boogie man.
Speaker 4: I don't think there's a black Hope still still in
Speaker 4: charge the Vatican.
Speaker 1: I think that's that's a well aimed, you know, claim that,
Speaker 1: you know, the Jesuits might be behind some of that.
Speaker 1: The University of Ingolstad is where I believe the Jesuits
Speaker 1: were formed or or or game Steam, and that was
Speaker 1: in Germany. But yeah, Saint Germaine's an interesting character. I
Speaker 1: just had a guy on my podcast who his grandparents
Speaker 1: when he was a kid, told him that, you know,
Speaker 1: one day, this Saint Germaine character is going to be
Speaker 1: very important to you. And then he later learns that
Speaker 1: as he got older, he learns that in his family,
Speaker 1: somebody he was related to was a Freemason at the
Speaker 1: lodge in Saint Petersburg, Russia, and there they had Saint
Speaker 1: Germain's Triangular Manuscript. And this is literally a triangular shaped
Speaker 1: book and it's written.
Speaker 4: I haven't If anyone wants it, I can share it.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, wow, Okay, do you have your own copy?
Speaker 4: No, I have a pretty good scan of the original.
Speaker 1: Oh wow, yeah, please send that to me. I'll send
Speaker 1: you my email in the chat. But yeah, I talked
Speaker 1: to the guy who basically deciphered it and then published
Speaker 1: it in some form through or boards press. So there's
Speaker 1: copies of it out there. It's not available anymore, but
Speaker 1: I'm sure there's a digital copy too. But yeah, it's
Speaker 1: fascinating because one of the aspects of this triangular manuscript
Speaker 1: is that it tells you how to become wealthy, and
Speaker 1: it might even tell you how to become immortal. Right,
Speaker 1: because that's the legend. He could live a life or
Speaker 1: maybe even control his reincarnation. Right, That's what I say.
Speaker 4: Sat Chairman once told Louis the Fifth the fourteen that
Speaker 4: people often say that I'm six hundred years old, and
Speaker 4: I like to hear they say those ridiculous things. But
Speaker 4: in truth, I'm much older than I look. And I
Speaker 4: can also tell you this. It is not a normal person,
Speaker 4: because he did it many times in public, to write
Speaker 4: a love letter with his right hand and to write
Speaker 4: a treaty on alchemy with his left hand. Or he
Speaker 4: would write with his both friends the exactly same thing,
Speaker 4: and when they put it to candlelight, you could not
Speaker 4: say which one was made by which one you cannot
Speaker 4: distinguish it. He's spoken more than fifty languages, you know,
Speaker 4: including Chinese, Arab native languages that were very few people knew.
Speaker 11: He could appear.
Speaker 4: Sorry, go on, it wasn't.
Speaker 11: He also said to be psychic and would would tell people,
Speaker 11: you know, there are things that are about them that
Speaker 11: they weren't he wasn't supposed to know.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Look, he managed to influence kings because he was not
Speaker 4: a fraud as most people sent. Because, for instance, the
Speaker 4: father I think the father of I did this paper
Speaker 4: long ago, so I might not be thinking it right.
Speaker 4: But he used to go to the palace and to
Speaker 4: either to Louis I think it's the father of Louis
Speaker 4: fourteen or Louis fourteen, I'm not sure. But he demonstrated
Speaker 4: we transmuted anything that anyone gave him into gold into
Speaker 4: a quickly prepared lab. So they give him vast areas
Speaker 4: for him to be his state or his lab. Everyone
Speaker 4: wanted it. So he was speaking at the same time
Speaker 4: with two parties that were at war one another, and
Speaker 4: he was freely going from one country to another, which
Speaker 4: was not possible for instance.
Speaker 11: So it's interesting a stream of the conversation and of
Speaker 11: course of the occult is the power of the mind
Speaker 11: and telepathy and with the World War two phenomena of
Speaker 11: them trying to influence each other in the outcomes of
Speaker 11: the battle.
Speaker 4: This is in double O seven.
Speaker 11: Of course we get from John d who was very
Speaker 11: much psychic figure and Odin. Of course, one could argue
Speaker 11: that a big part of Adonism would be psychic phenomena
Speaker 11: using the mind, the third eye whole thing. And and Lisa,
Speaker 11: when you brought up the idea of them also studying
Speaker 11: the space time continuum and so forth, and the site
Speaker 11: high end physics, it reminds me of all that power
Speaker 11: of the mind too. But also we see that that
Speaker 11: really in the Cold War they were using the whole
Speaker 11: remote viewing groups and people to engage in espionage and
Speaker 11: information and who knows what all else they're doing now
Speaker 11: with the you know, different technological features fused with the mind.
Speaker 11: So it's really interesting this stream psychic telepathic power and
Speaker 11: even and sometimes this exceptional mental performance is really seems
Speaker 11: to be a part of all these groups.
Speaker 2: You'd like to focus on that the Germans helped us
Speaker 2: develop our aeronautics or our physics. We also have to
Speaker 2: remember that Russia also took key players from Germany as well,
Speaker 2: and so developing their physics, their aeronautics, their space program,
Speaker 2: and so it again the influence, you know, it goes
Speaker 2: across the board. And the other thing that I want
Speaker 2: to say, it wasn't just Oppenheimer that had the technology
Speaker 2: for the Adam bomb. Heisenberg also knew it. He told
Speaker 2: me was he knew it. It just Hitler didn't want
Speaker 2: to do the Jews science, so he didn't let him
Speaker 2: build it. So that's the only reason that they didn't
Speaker 2: have that like we did.
Speaker 4: But he knew it.
Speaker 2: He was his right hand scientist, so they knew and
Speaker 2: Oppenheimer was Germans. So I mean, well, they were.
Speaker 13: Doing it through heavy water instead of doing it through uranium,
Speaker 13: so I think that was the difference. But they were
Speaker 13: still right about the heavy water because that's what the
Speaker 13: Adam or the h bombs are.
Speaker 2: So to the point of the amount of intelligence, and
Speaker 2: not to say they're superior race by no means, I'm
Speaker 2: not saying that, but the amount of intelligence was coming
Speaker 2: out of Germany from the occult side, from the historical,
Speaker 2: occult mystical side, is extremely influential in later secret societies.
Speaker 6: So yeah, Now when you look at Gerta as far
Speaker 6: as I mean he was said to be a member
Speaker 6: of the Illuminati, but as far as just his his
Speaker 6: stories that he wrote the Mickey Mouse, as far as
Speaker 6: the Magician's Apprentice, that's a Girta story, the Faust, as
Speaker 6: far as the and he gets into homunculuses and he
Speaker 6: wrote the first story.
Speaker 1: Wow, yes, I'm the reminder on that and that just
Speaker 1: while we're here, thank you for bringing this up again
Speaker 1: because I wanted to mention this before. But this whole
Speaker 1: concept of selling your soul to the devil or sort
Speaker 1: of material gain, this is like the major takes away,
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 4: But who has this devil? Who was in the middle
Speaker 4: of the woods and and and he's everywhere? Who is
Speaker 4: this devil? Is it a name? Just for normal people?
Speaker 4: Say ooh that's bad and that don't go there?
Speaker 12: Is it?
Speaker 7: Is it the green?
Speaker 1: And I think the point is like they're thumbing their
Speaker 1: nose at the uninitiated, Like for the uninitiated, Halloween is
Speaker 1: scary and and oh no so much fright and blood
Speaker 1: and gore Halloween movies. But for the initiated, it's another
Speaker 1: holiday that you know, who'sts their abundance and allows them
Speaker 1: to participate in you know, however, they see the world
Speaker 1: in the morning.
Speaker 4: According to Randall Carson, uh the Halloween has his All
Speaker 4: Saints Day or the Day of the Dead has his
Speaker 4: basis on the younger. So it was an extermination of
Speaker 4: most of mankind and it's kept his memory, although it
Speaker 4: changed his format and its name, but it still reminds
Speaker 4: us the Day of the Dead. It was the time
Speaker 4: when most people lost everyone, let's put it that way.
Speaker 4: So it might be also connected to that.
Speaker 1: That yeah, that that point great, But on the larger
Speaker 1: point of of you know, what occultism means to the
Speaker 1: general public versus what it means to the or the
Speaker 1: people who we speculate about on podcasts like this. You know,
Speaker 1: I think again, like the power players, the types of
Speaker 1: people who send their children to Yale and then do
Speaker 1: well and go on to do well in life in
Speaker 1: these realms, they're initiated into this understanding. I think there's
Speaker 1: you know, universal aspects to it in the sense that
Speaker 1: they kind of they they're like Crowley, right, if you
Speaker 1: learn about Crowley, you know, he kind of took from
Speaker 1: all these different things and was trying to find the
Speaker 1: truth all of it. It was kind of a galitarian
Speaker 1: in that sense. Obviously there was a lot of things.
Speaker 1: You converted some of it probably they were wrong, and yeah,
Speaker 1: subverted it. But of course he saw the like the
Speaker 1: universalism and a lot of these things. And I think
Speaker 1: that's kind of how the elites play it today. Like
Speaker 1: they're economical in the sense that they know it works.
Speaker 1: They don't care if they need tai chi or Teutonic
Speaker 1: magic or shamanism to do it. They know it works.
Speaker 1: And if they can use that against people who don't
Speaker 1: know it works, or even better laugh at the idea
Speaker 1: that it works. Well, now they're in kind of a
Speaker 1: cushy situation where you know, again they send their kids
Speaker 1: to the right education where these ideas are maybe entrained
Speaker 1: in them in subtle ways, whereas for the public people
Speaker 1: like myself went to public school, the opposite is true,
Speaker 1: you know, in most cases, where they sort of entrain
Speaker 1: you to laugh at these sort of things and to
Speaker 1: think in a material reductionist sort of way. Yeah, this
Speaker 1: Prussian system, so there's roots in this European area. Again,
Speaker 1: German occultism is probably like a loose, you know, way
Speaker 1: to describe it, but I think, yeah, there's very much
Speaker 1: through Yale University in America a German influence that you
Speaker 1: know when you when you consider yourself a conspiracy theorist,
Speaker 1: and then you look at it, you're kind of like, wow,
Speaker 1: how does it all go back to this one place?
Speaker 1: And I think that's because Germany is very much like
Speaker 1: the United States in the sense that it's a new country.
Speaker 1: It's a new place, and a lot of people immigrated
Speaker 1: there at a key point in European history, so it
Speaker 1: became these powerlts.
Speaker 13: My director Mark, if I can comment on that migratory
Speaker 13: pattern that was all do to the close relationship that
Speaker 13: the United States had with Germany going back into the
Speaker 13: eighteen fifties, because the number one migrant from Europe into
Speaker 13: America was German for a long long period of time.
Speaker 1: My last name Irish. I go back to one of
Speaker 1: the first waves of German people to go into America
Speaker 1: and then Benjamin Franklin like shipped a bunch of them
Speaker 1: up to Canada and they became French Canadians.
Speaker 13: So if you look at a demographic map of the
Speaker 13: United States, you see that the entire middle portion would
Speaker 13: all be Germanic people and so on the very little
Speaker 13: outside you've got the New England people, and then there's
Speaker 13: a big blotch of New England people out in Utah,
Speaker 13: because that was the migration pattern during that whole trip
Speaker 13: out there, is they came from New York and then
Speaker 13: deposited out there. So it's kind of funny how you
Speaker 13: could track the instrum on.
Speaker 1: The point of Germany and that area in particular. Things
Speaker 1: had changed in a significant way in these periods leading
Speaker 1: up to World War One and people were moving into
Speaker 1: cities more and more. Right, so the cities in Germany
Speaker 1: really flourished, and that to at least this earlier point.
Speaker 1: That's where you see these intellectual centers phlossoming. And it's
Speaker 1: not that there's a superiority there, it's that there was
Speaker 1: a convenience for these people to go to these places
Speaker 1: and then they became you know, like the way we
Speaker 1: talked about Silicon Valley with tech today, like it's a
Speaker 1: it's a hotbed types.
Speaker 6: So people have well around the Rhyan River right there,
Speaker 6: there was a major trade route that came through, so
Speaker 6: you have a huge accumulation of these merchants that are
Speaker 6: settling in almost this protected zone that kind of like
Speaker 6: really allowed it to you know, grow, and a lot
Speaker 6: of these ideas to filment and come about.
Speaker 1: You know, there's a really great author who I've interviewed
Speaker 1: a couple of times on my podcast who has these
Speaker 1: great maps of the entire world and he uses rivers
Speaker 1: and studies the geometry of rivers and to your point,
Speaker 1: you know, rivers are where humans congregate, but you can
Speaker 1: learn a lot about just the energetic patterns of culture
Speaker 1: and how things flow. To your point, Eddless giant about
Speaker 1: you know, the way people move on the earth through rivers.
Speaker 1: And yeah, I encourage anyone to look at Peter Shampoo's
Speaker 1: work if you're interested in in lay lines or just
Speaker 1: the energy centers of the land masses, because rivers in
Speaker 1: particular play a huge role, and not just in the
Speaker 1: economical and practical functions. Like in America, the heart and
Speaker 1: soul of the East Coast is the Susquehanna River, which
Speaker 1: bleeds out into what becomes like the cape there or
Speaker 1: I'm sorry the blanking on it, but where Washington, DC
Speaker 1: is Chesapeake Bay and yeah, that Chesapeake Bay, Susquehanna River,
Speaker 1: These are ubiquitous the modern computer in many ways was
Speaker 1: developed in army labs on the Susquehanna River and nuclear
Speaker 1: power plants there. I mean, all the different things that
Speaker 1: have developed along that river. You can really learn about
Speaker 1: America just by studying that one place. And the same
Speaker 1: is true for the Rhine the sin. You know, any
Speaker 1: river that that is major city is going to have
Speaker 1: a story like that. And that's kind of one of
Speaker 1: the other topics that I wanted to bring up, not
Speaker 1: that we have time to get into it today, but
Speaker 1: Nick asked me like, hey, what would you want to
Speaker 1: talk about? And I threw three unconnected topics out there,
Speaker 1: and one of them was forming occultism and the sort
Speaker 1: of non I forget how I labeled it, but it's
Speaker 1: like psycho geography in a way. And and I think
Speaker 1: that you're going to have to come back on Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'd love to. This is great, I mean not, but
Speaker 1: you guys are all awesome. So I appreciate the quick
Speaker 1: things to touch on. Mark.
Speaker 5: So one, you said the term earlier we're talking about Nazis.
Speaker 5: You know that word ash ash ash Karannazi, right, uh?
Speaker 12: And when you think about how you know, certain people
Speaker 12: have controlled Yeah, all sides of every war since all
Speaker 12: the way back to Napoleon or probably farther back.
Speaker 1: But uh, and even when you go and read.
Speaker 5: Initiates of the Flame on like a PDF, you see
Speaker 5: the swastika.
Speaker 1: And the star David on the same page. So you know,
Speaker 1: beget into.
Speaker 12: Exte the light in the dark, how Samio is necessary evil.
Speaker 12: But also Himmler had a castle. Yeah, and Michael, he's
Speaker 12: on video and he's like, here is Heinrich Himmler's dagger.
Speaker 7: Yep.
Speaker 12: I have a couple of his books, and it's like,
Speaker 12: this guy is in charge of our military, you know
Speaker 12: what I mean?
Speaker 6: Just saying so well with Michael, not Michael Keno, but
Speaker 6: who was it you were talking about there that he
Speaker 6: has the swords? Uh, Henrik Kimler, right Himler has Yeah.
Speaker 1: If you go and you read.
Speaker 6: Himmler's works, he talks about how they crushed Prussia and
Speaker 6: it's all related around the story of snow White. And
Speaker 6: he talks about first they brought the girdle in, which
Speaker 6: were the tariffs and the taxes, and then the poison
Speaker 6: apple was when they brought the banking system in, and
Speaker 6: that's you know, yeahs a whole snow White analogy of
Speaker 6: the international banking system and how they basically crushed Prussia.
Speaker 10: I was actually gonna say something kind of along those lines.
Speaker 10: And I'm a big nerd about this kind of stuff,
Speaker 10: but I always compare everything to like movies, So just
Speaker 10: bear with me. But doesn't this story about like going
Speaker 10: all the way back about like the occultism and the
Speaker 10: ruins and stuff. It reminds me of that Captain America
Speaker 10: movie where they're looking for the TESTSA Act and they
Speaker 10: it's basically like Nazi stuff, right, yeah, And they also
Speaker 10: put a bunch of like project paper Clip stuff in there,
Speaker 10: but it's like they have to go all the way
Speaker 10: back to this like mausoleum thing and it's got runs
Speaker 10: in the tree of Life, and then they have to
Speaker 10: have this pass code and then they get the TESTSA
Speaker 10: Act and then like all the stuff with Captain America
Speaker 10: and the Red Skull is basically like Hitler or whatever.
Speaker 10: But they make this stuff so fantastical that when you
Speaker 10: learn about the reality of it, you're like, oh, well,
Speaker 10: that's some shit I saw in like a Marvel movie
Speaker 10: that's not like but it's all based on like the
Speaker 10: reality of things. I think they're there are a lot
Speaker 10: of Marvel movies. There's one in particular, I think it's
Speaker 10: an Iron Man one where it's like the nine to
Speaker 10: eleven stuff in the terrorists and like you know, they
Speaker 10: are always putting just a little bit of our.
Speaker 4: Truth, truth, truth. Yeah, yeah, into that.
Speaker 1: So I just wanted to say, that's what it reminded
Speaker 1: me of.
Speaker 6: Ye.
Speaker 1: I was going to say, there's.
Speaker 11: In World War Two there were factions that were against
Speaker 11: each other overtly but actually have the same kind of
Speaker 11: end result that they were seeking. The Zionists wanted a
Speaker 11: new homeland and the Germans wanted to get every Jew
Speaker 11: into one place. So at the end of World War two,
Speaker 11: at least there were elements on both sides that kind
Speaker 11: of wanted the same thing. And you'll please go ahead.
Speaker 6: Oh, I was going to say, they actually minted a coin.
Speaker 6: It was an agreement that they had with Israel and
Speaker 6: they were paying for the family and their entire estate
Speaker 6: to move to Israel. I can't remember the agreement. Yeah,
Speaker 6: but Himler actually minted a coin that has the swastika
Speaker 6: on one side and the Star of Refresh of the
Speaker 6: Star of as design is called the Star.
Speaker 5: The Schedule of Solomon basically well.
Speaker 6: According to Yeah, if you go back further, it's the
Speaker 6: five pointed star, there's a lot of the pentacle.
Speaker 5: Yeah. Yeah, man, you got to get back I mean Nina, Yeah, I.
Speaker 1: Know what you mean.
Speaker 11: There were two different spellings of National Socialists Nazi also,
Speaker 11: and there's said to be relationship to that with the one.
Speaker 11: One version was n A s I.
Speaker 6: So the Nasi. Yeah, the Na s I is actually
Speaker 6: the high priest of the Sanhedrin. So which is I
Speaker 6: find interesting?
Speaker 4: Well, in essence, I would say that they controlled not
Speaker 4: only the developer of nations and the map, but they
Speaker 4: also control the development of technology and then give it
Speaker 4: to those that they thought that they should be. For instance,
Speaker 4: just to finish a particular part of the end of
Speaker 4: life of c. Germain, he was found in the city
Speaker 4: of Tournay, that was one of the last known Merovingian cities.
Speaker 4: That was a star forth and we find him. They're
Speaker 4: dressed as a wizard. So in the seventeenth century, which
Speaker 4: was not very normal, and what he was developing. He
Speaker 4: was developing the new alchemical And if you go to
Speaker 4: German and read how they dominated the fabrication of hats,
Speaker 4: because at that time they were trying to find a
Speaker 4: way to produce hats of high quality and durability and
Speaker 4: so on. And this was an alchemical process that produced it,
Speaker 4: and I believe it was center Man that developed and
Speaker 4: then delivered them to the Germans, and that allowed a
Speaker 4: huge amount of money to enter in that country. So
Speaker 4: even these small details were also dictated by these people
Speaker 4: and their organizations. So did they control everything from the
Speaker 4: little seed that was put in the grounds to whatever
Speaker 4: was ruling the game?
Speaker 1: Yeah, something you just reminded me of Ricardo and to
Speaker 1: that point, you know, we might not think about this
Speaker 1: today much in our multi colored worlds, but Saint Germain
Speaker 1: was a genius when it came to dies and that
Speaker 1: was one of the main things he used the alchemical
Speaker 1: knowledge for with dying fabrics, which at the time, if
Speaker 1: they only had a very limited palette to work with,
Speaker 1: and if you had something like purple, oh my god,
Speaker 1: like the Kings would pay you know out, you know,
Speaker 1: up the wazoo to put it politely for purple or
Speaker 1: anything that can show that, Oh this guy's literally like
Speaker 1: connected to God. Look how he's got purple? Like, where
Speaker 1: else do you see that other than an eggplant?
Speaker 6: Right?
Speaker 1: So, I think the all of that kind of stuff, right, So, yeah,
Speaker 1: that that's something that's kind of we think about it
Speaker 1: today like colors, you know, big deal, but yeah, back
Speaker 1: then it's you know a huge change. Like for for
Speaker 1: the times, people were probably only wearing like cotton colored,
Speaker 1: like pale pale white brown leather like that, you know,
Speaker 1: red because you could use blood as a dye. But
Speaker 1: that's about it, you know.
Speaker 8: Uh, something I wanted to, I guess get into because
Speaker 8: I don't have to wrap it up eventually it's going
Speaker 8: to leave you one. But uh, something I didn't want
Speaker 8: to make a point on. I think when it does
Speaker 8: also come to you know, dramatic ocultism. When I had like,
Speaker 8: you know, not to bring these people up again, but
Speaker 8: I know me at least I had mentioned them earlier.
Speaker 8: Something I do want to, you know, kind of I
Speaker 8: think make a point at. And it was because you
Speaker 8: had even mentioned Kroley earlier, being kind of like an
Speaker 8: I said, a master of synthesis, which I took from
Speaker 8: Toby Chappelle. It's not me he coined that, but I
Speaker 8: really do think he was. And if people want to
Speaker 8: get in my opinion, get to go at a good
Speaker 8: idea who he was actually inspired by. Go look at
Speaker 8: the Gnostic saints. That's my opinion. Those are the people.
Speaker 8: Because I've covered a bunch of them, and a lot
Speaker 8: of them I can see like, oh, that's where Croley
Speaker 8: got this from. That's where Croley got this from. That's
Speaker 8: where Crooley got this one. But now, like and please
Speaker 8: bear with me, and I'm trying.
Speaker 7: To get a point here, and it's going to be
Speaker 7: a lot, but let me just get to it.
Speaker 8: A lot of these older occultists again, you go back
Speaker 8: to Johannes Trithemiez, Paracelsus, Cornelius Agrippa, Heinrich Kumrath, Michael Meyer,
Speaker 8: as well, Kroll, Robert Flood especially. You start looking at
Speaker 8: all these people that showed up in Germany or from
Speaker 8: in that area. A big thing with them that I
Speaker 8: don't see any more. They were polymaths as well, so
Speaker 8: besides being an occultist, they were also doing math. And
Speaker 8: they're also and this is a big thing that I
Speaker 8: keep bringing up. And I even think I spoke to
Speaker 8: you about this mark about a year ago, and I
Speaker 8: think you said you were actually kind of interested in it.
Speaker 8: You're like, that could be something I do think because
Speaker 8: a lot of these people that I just mentioned, they
Speaker 8: even talk about the body, especially the brain and the eyeballs,
Speaker 8: you know. And again, if you're a polymath, you're also
Speaker 8: going to be looking at music, which Robert Flood did,
Speaker 8: and a bunch of those other ones. You're going to
Speaker 8: be looking at the body. It's not just a few things.
Speaker 8: You're looking at probably about six or seven different types
Speaker 8: of ways and looking at stuff.
Speaker 7: So like what I'm we're going to try to get at.
Speaker 8: Is that like back then, you saw all these people
Speaker 8: incorporating music into their stuff and trying to understand that.
Speaker 8: Michael Myers was considered like the first multimediate person. You
Speaker 8: had an engraving, you had music that had to be
Speaker 8: played with it, and then you even had to read
Speaker 8: something and then meditate on what's going on.
Speaker 7: That guy, his shit was crazy.
Speaker 8: You have Robert Flood who like basically came up at
Speaker 8: the monochord and he was huge with music. That guy
Speaker 8: was drawing your your your nerves, your blood, your eyeball,
Speaker 8: your brain. I mean, these these people were not just
Speaker 8: like I'm going to walk around with a crystal in
Speaker 8: my hand and throw some lavender over my shoulder and
Speaker 8: I whitch. You know, it's nothing like that. These people
Speaker 8: were like into so many things besides that, and for
Speaker 8: some reason that seems to get lost, or in my opinion,
Speaker 8: it's not lost, it's just hidden. We don't talk about
Speaker 8: that anymore. The people that understand that stuff, it's not
Speaker 8: ignored or it goes beyond the memes.
Speaker 7: So I don't even want to think about it.
Speaker 1: It's valuable that that it's controlled, you know, and and
Speaker 1: I don't know that it's unanimously controlled, at least in
Speaker 1: Western culture. It's controlled to a certain degree. Oh, the
Speaker 1: Catholic Church did a lot of people, wealthy people like
Speaker 1: they're putting their children into rigorous courses to learn how
Speaker 1: to play instruments and learn athletics and do all these
Speaker 1: different things at very young ages because they want them
Speaker 1: to have a foundation to be successful. And you know,
Speaker 1: I'm sure everyone you know praise that they'll birth a prodigy,
Speaker 1: but that's not always the case. So they have to,
Speaker 1: you know, work with what they got. And that's why
Speaker 1: I think, Yeah, getting them while they're young and putting
Speaker 1: them through these different schools that cost a lot of
Speaker 1: money makes a big difference. But whether or not music
Speaker 1: makes a difference. I think you're touching on a very
Speaker 1: important point about human consciousness and why chanting and music
Speaker 1: have always been major aspects of spiritual practices, going back
Speaker 1: to you know, the first animal skin pulled over a stump,
Speaker 1: right that that was maybe the first drum, right Like,
Speaker 1: they heard that beat, they started dancing, they started moving
Speaker 1: in a way. I mean, who knows. That could just
Speaker 1: be a but I think there's there's true in that,
Speaker 1: and that's why, you know, you go to a monastery,
Speaker 1: you go to one of these Buddhist temples, and they
Speaker 1: have bells, they have chimes, they're chanting. It's all about
Speaker 1: the sound. So yeah, I think that these geniuses of
Speaker 1: the you know Enlightenment pre Enlightenment era that we've been
Speaker 1: talking about, you know, they were definitely using instruments and
Speaker 1: playing the piano and doing all these lives. You pointed
Speaker 1: out they were polymaths. But as to whether somebody figured
Speaker 1: out a sure fire method for doing it, I'm more
Speaker 1: of an idealist in the sense that I think karma, absurdity, chance,
Speaker 1: these kind of the the you know, humdrumness, and mundanity
Speaker 1: of life all play into it. Right, So I think,
Speaker 1: you know, it's all part of the human experience. I
Speaker 1: don't know that everybody's meant to have a manufactured moment
Speaker 1: of genius. I think genius is something that happens to
Speaker 1: a generation in waves. Like different generations have different geniuses.
Speaker 1: You know, we don't even know the genius of like
Speaker 1: my generation yet they're too young for anyone to figure
Speaker 1: it out, right, Like, so maybe in a hundred years
Speaker 1: we'll look back at the twenty tens and twenties and
Speaker 1: we won't be talking about Elon Musk or any of
Speaker 1: these other towns. Now we're talking about some guy that's,
Speaker 1: you know, working really hard and you know, who knows
Speaker 1: doing what God forbid, making the AI stronger. But yeah,
Speaker 1: I think I think that's a big part of it
Speaker 1: is is it's not something that you can manufacture, and
Speaker 1: it's not something that the elites can always buy and
Speaker 1: have a monopoly on. I think a lot of times
Speaker 1: that genius strikes people who tend to be sentimental and
Speaker 1: empathetic towards a greater cause and have egalitarian ideologies. In
Speaker 1: some form or fashion. Always reflects the culture of their time,
Speaker 1: the political ideologies of their time. But this idea that
Speaker 1: you know, we should do good, treat others well, and
Speaker 1: maintain that in some sort of systematic way. Is seems
Speaker 1: to be a prevailing inspiration and something in common with
Speaker 1: anyone who has the grace of pulling off a true innovation.
Speaker 1: I mean, how how Rare is a genius. It's not
Speaker 1: something that you just stumble upon every day, right, that's true.
Speaker 11: I wanted to add one little quote for inspiration that
Speaker 11: that we two can at least be smart. Sometimes Einstein said,
Speaker 11: uh that I am not smarter.
Speaker 1: I am not.
Speaker 11: It's not that I am so smart. It's just that
Speaker 11: I stay with problems longer. And so this insistence to
Speaker 11: you know, build on a foundation and keep going. I
Speaker 11: think this, you know, motivation to keep going is a
Speaker 11: really powerful attribute for our mental pursuits.
Speaker 6: Well. Also that imagination is the most important thing overall knowledge,
Speaker 6: you know, because if you can visualize it and you know,
Speaker 6: imagine that thing, then you can draw out the substance
Speaker 6: of it in order to understand it. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And then Ron in the comments what's up roun from
Speaker 1: New England? I love Ron and Ron.
Speaker 4: There is a reason why so many of them pass
Speaker 4: through the medicine so going back hundreds of years, so
Speaker 4: and and and that when they finally ended the medicine,
Speaker 4: and in fact Centermin studied on the last years of
Speaker 4: the last medicine. That's that moved on to other places
Speaker 4: and then spread and disappear. So now it's more underground
Speaker 4: and that, as you said, Mark, you have these schools.
Speaker 4: But from my perception, if you have to put your
Speaker 4: son into one of those schools and pay for it
Speaker 4: and all, you are in a very low class because
Speaker 4: these children are looked after as Jedi look for small
Speaker 4: children with midichlorians. They recognize them, they select them, they
Speaker 4: put them on those societies and groups as the bohemian
Speaker 4: Bohemian growth. You can be born on the river with
Speaker 4: no shoes on your family, but if you have those traits,
Speaker 4: they will detect you and they will educate you. After
Speaker 4: so we faced, perhaps after the nineteenth century, perhaps twentieth century,
Speaker 4: this democratization because there is not enough of them to
Speaker 4: control as the world has grown, so they have to
Speaker 4: expand and create these elements and educate them. So well,
Speaker 4: my point it was just that if you have to
Speaker 4: pay to get that knowledge, you are very low, well
Speaker 4: the way above our status. But very low in their
Speaker 4: concern to the places of control.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I think that's the result of nepotism too,
Speaker 1: you know, like these perhaps ricks you know, or want
Speaker 1: a flash in the pan, and they they set their
Speaker 1: family up for ten generations and by the third or
Speaker 1: fourth generation since the one manner or woman and man
Speaker 1: who who you know made it happen. I think, yeah,
Speaker 1: it kind of fades and trickles, But with Skull and Bones,
Speaker 1: it does seem to magnetize a certain type of person,
Speaker 1: and maybe that's what it is. When I was younger
Speaker 1: and more optimistic, I might have thought that the Skull
Speaker 1: and Bones were the Jedi, but I'm pretty set they're
Speaker 1: the sick.
Speaker 4: I believe they are neither. They're just they're just one
Speaker 4: of these with a very good rate of success and
Speaker 4: infiltrating in the United States because they demoted the real
Speaker 4: mystics and created their own association based on their previous knowledge.
Speaker 5: So it is Ricardo.
Speaker 10: I'm a thre Ricardo on that, And I think that
Speaker 10: they're just like rich re retards jerking off in front
Speaker 10: of each other in some kind of a weird elite
Speaker 10: circled jerk and it's just I mean.
Speaker 1: Come on, something.
Speaker 6: Is something super gay.
Speaker 2: Michael, I'm sorry, Robby, even Michael Myers and and Kunroth.
Speaker 2: We're telling other people quit posturing. Quit saying that you
Speaker 2: are a magi. Quit saying that you're an occultist, because
Speaker 2: you're not. You're doing it all for fame, you're doing
Speaker 2: it all for money. You aren't. You haven't even done
Speaker 2: the processes. You haven't even done anything. And so they
Speaker 2: were calling people out then, And this is why you
Speaker 2: don't hear about them very readily. Just like today, people
Speaker 2: that kind of call people out in terms of who
Speaker 2: people really are don't really get the fame that they deserve.
Speaker 10: True, Yeah, because it wasn't like Bush Junie or whatever.
Speaker 10: He was in the Skull and Bones and his dad
Speaker 10: wanted to watch him jacket tiny dick off in the
Speaker 10: coffin or whatever, like yeah, I mean, like, come on,
Speaker 10: this is a this is a magician, like this is
Speaker 10: supposed to be some kind of like that, Like give me.
Speaker 4: A right, alright, Look, the Bush Sun was a failed
Speaker 4: project from the beginning. Yeah, yeah, he was.
Speaker 5: He did use astronomers or astrologers to invade Iraq and
Speaker 5: knew exactly what date to do it, and everything.
Speaker 4: Do you think he did it?
Speaker 5: Absolutely No, I.
Speaker 10: Think somebody did it for.
Speaker 5: Him, his left hand.
Speaker 1: He's right, he's an idiot.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Laden the bean Laden gave him a firm of
Speaker 4: where oil wells, but they're in Texas and he managed
Speaker 4: to bankrupt them. How do you bankrupt a business that
Speaker 4: has no workers, just machines working taking oil off the
Speaker 4: ground and selling it, and he managed to bankrupt it.
Speaker 4: So there he was. He was a bohemian, a bohemian,
Speaker 4: that's what he was. So when the guy gets near
Speaker 4: him and says it's done, you see his face. He
Speaker 4: was more frightened than the people that were on the
Speaker 4: street seeing that the towers falling down.
Speaker 10: You're talking about Junior, right, you're talking about Yeah, he's
Speaker 10: such a freaking idiot. And it's like, I don't know, guys,
Speaker 10: all I know how to do jack off in a
Speaker 10: coffin in front of my daddy, Like this guy, this
Speaker 10: guy's a magician, Give me a break. I was gonna say, yeah,
Speaker 10: sor is a different story.
Speaker 12: With you on that?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 1: I think think Jill Biden and Joe Biden. The US presidency,
Speaker 1: you know, it's had many handlers behind the scenes at
Speaker 1: different points with different presidents, and yeah, George Bush Junior
Speaker 1: is just a failed attempt at giving his father the
Speaker 1: presidency that he barely had. I mean, what what was
Speaker 1: it like, less than four terms that he was president
Speaker 1: or less than four years. I think it was just
Speaker 1: one term.
Speaker 7: But yeah, he was the.
Speaker 4: Person that was a constant between all those people who
Speaker 4: was in all of those governments. I don't know the
Speaker 4: name because I am not American, Thank you, Rumsfield.
Speaker 11: Did George Bush Senior was vice president for eight years
Speaker 11: before that and CIA before that, so technically he's been
Speaker 11: in the halls of.
Speaker 6: Power at least Dallas the day Kennedy was assassinated as well.
Speaker 10: It's good point.
Speaker 14: Yes, they loved they liked Watch, They liked Prescott, Prescott Busch,
Speaker 14: the granddaddy of Bush, Prescott company that was making profits off.
Speaker 6: Yeah, the Silverado loan company. They were financing the Nazis.
Speaker 1: He was a banker.
Speaker 11: One could argue that the Bush boys have been bankers
Speaker 11: for these unsaid and unknown characters that are really behind
Speaker 11: the scenes making moves. But they're like the bankers for
Speaker 11: the boys.
Speaker 2: And it said that the Bush Bush name is not
Speaker 2: their real last name, no, is it German.
Speaker 6: Are they German? They are?
Speaker 10: Okay?
Speaker 4: Well, and one of the one of the moms, right, is.
Speaker 10: A tranny, supposedly Crowley's.
Speaker 7: Kid, right, bar Barbara.
Speaker 10: With Barbara, it's just like, yeah, she's got something hiding
Speaker 10: under her bush and it is a penis.
Speaker 4: You can say the same for the wife or man
Speaker 4: of Obama.
Speaker 5: Yeah, oh yeah, yeah, one hundred and the French president.
Speaker 7: I mean yeah, many.
Speaker 4: A ritual that they have to go there or something.
Speaker 6: Well, that's what that's what it is.
Speaker 9: I think they're more hermetic.
Speaker 7: That's the.
Speaker 9: That's just that's just one iteration, right, Like you don't
Speaker 9: want to believe that that is the hermetic person. But
Speaker 9: obviously there's a group of people have had you that
Speaker 9: think that that's the way to be so hilarity.
Speaker 6: Now there was going, sorry, I'm sorry, let me tie
Speaker 6: this in real quick, right. So, as far as the
Speaker 6: androgynous aspect, when you go back to Mother Kibbili and
Speaker 6: addis Mother Kibbili was a transgender But basically it was
Speaker 6: on the twenty second day of March being three to
Speaker 6: two two right, then a pine tree was cut in
Speaker 6: the woods and brought into the sanctuary of Kibili where
Speaker 6: it was treated as a great divinity and the duty
Speaker 6: of carrying the sacred trees what is entrusted to the
Speaker 6: guild of tree bearers, and the tree bearers are the
Speaker 6: Zimmerman as far as ties into Germany. So when you
Speaker 6: follow this back, Addis and Kibili are the birth of
Speaker 6: this mystery called Addis is where you get that Phrygian hat,
Speaker 6: that Saturnalian hat, and so this ties all the way
Speaker 6: through Germany and around when you follow the Russell Trust,
Speaker 6: you know, basically being the opium smugglers that came in
Speaker 6: and set up shop in the United States Georgetown University.
Speaker 1: So.
Speaker 6: And Yale and Yale with the skull and bones.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think what sums it up is at some
Speaker 4: point in time they no longer needed that these people
Speaker 4: be actual masters as the old ones. So they just
Speaker 4: need normal people that could be indocrinated, manipulated, puppeteered, and
Speaker 4: and that's how we get the world we have today.
Speaker 5: So all right, I agree with that.
Speaker 8: I think if you guys online, since you know it
Speaker 8: almost two I was in, I think we'd probably just
Speaker 8: wrap it up here too.
Speaker 7: Mark.
Speaker 8: That was great, That was awesome, Thank you so match man,
Speaker 8: we'll definitely have to get you on something else.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Nick, you're the best. I really appreciate all this
Speaker 1: it turned out, and uh yeah, awesome to be on
Speaker 1: the show after all the tumult, but I love it.
Speaker 1: That's how things that the best friends are made through
Speaker 1: some hard times sometimes. But I'd love to join you
Speaker 1: guys all again in the spirit of what we were
Speaker 1: just talking about, to get into this skull and bones
Speaker 1: topic or whatever else comes up interesting. So yeah, I
Speaker 1: love it. It's awesome to talk to all of you.
Speaker 1: And uh, I put my email in the chat, so
Speaker 1: if any of you want to get in touch with
Speaker 1: me to do a one on one pod as well,
Speaker 1: that's also on the table for any of you. I'd
Speaker 1: love to see you all for for a one on
Speaker 1: one podcast. That's typically how I do my podcasts one
Speaker 1: on one. But thank you awesome. My family thinks I'm crazy.
Speaker 1: The name of the podcast and a true statement. Find
Speaker 1: me on Spotify, Apple, all the podcast apps. And again, Nick,
Speaker 1: thanks for inviting me to do this.
Speaker 7: Yeah, no, thank you.
Speaker 4: I usually tell you that it's true, but it has
Speaker 4: nothing to do with the rest.
Speaker 8: But thank you, Mark, No, thank you very much for
Speaker 8: coming on Man again. It was uh, you know, it's
Speaker 8: been too You shouldn't have been this long. You know,
Speaker 8: it took four years at a little too long, but
Speaker 8: we got you here. Uh and again you know meet
Speaker 8: besides me and you the rest of the reason. I think,
Speaker 8: you know, we made some magic tonight. I think this
Speaker 8: was a really good episode. I think we talked on
Speaker 8: about a lot of stuff. I think we touched on
Speaker 8: a lot of different areas like Polymatt's would, which is
Speaker 8: why I have everybody on the show. So thank you
Speaker 8: for making it happen, and it was your topic. I
Speaker 8: thought it was a kick ass definitely and an a
Speaker 8: cult rejects show. So I appreciate you for coming on.
Speaker 8: Jules again, I thank you for jumping on man. I
Speaker 8: appreciate it. That's what's up, and I thank you Robbie Ricardo,
Speaker 8: Julia Ethan, Headless, Jin and Lisa.
Speaker 7: I thank you all for coming on, and everybody in
Speaker 7: the chat. That's what's Up.
Speaker 8: There was a lot of people on there from multiple
Speaker 8: areas that weren't mine. I tried to show some of
Speaker 8: your chats. Thank you very much. It was awesome, awesome
Speaker 8: to see all you hear and until the next one.
Speaker 8: Everybody be well well later