WEBVTT 1 00:00:02.960 --> 00:00:08.279 Big Food and Beyond with Cliff and Bulbo. 2 00:00:08.839 --> 00:00:13.199 These guys are your favorites, so like to subscribe and rade. 3 00:00:13.080 --> 00:00:16.359 It, lip Star, shoot and. 4 00:00:18.199 --> 00:00:18.440 Range. 5 00:00:18.559 --> 00:00:25.359 Just on a listening watching limb always keep its watching. 6 00:00:26.640 --> 00:00:30.600 And now your hosts Cliff Berrickman and James Boogle Fay. 7 00:00:31.199 --> 00:00:32.439 Hey bobes. What's happening to man? 8 00:00:33.000 --> 00:00:35.679 Oh? Not much, just sitting in the dark room with 9 00:00:35.759 --> 00:00:41.399 dark sunglasses on. Why because all my headsets are not 10 00:00:41.560 --> 00:00:43.520 working and the only thing I could find was this 11 00:00:44.000 --> 00:00:47.840 old pair of bows sunglasses that have little speakers next 12 00:00:47.840 --> 00:00:49.719 to come out next to you, like external speakers that 13 00:00:49.799 --> 00:00:52.560 come out right next to your ears, and the speakers 14 00:00:52.560 --> 00:00:55.200 work given with the sunglasses are just they're too small 15 00:00:55.240 --> 00:00:57.719 and too dark, so I never really wear them. 16 00:00:58.880 --> 00:01:01.479 Oh, any chance you can take a selfie of that 17 00:01:01.520 --> 00:01:04.400 and send it to us, Yeah, i'd love to see that. 18 00:01:04.480 --> 00:01:10.200 We post on the members section or something. Then again, 19 00:01:10.239 --> 00:01:11.920 you also said you're in a dark room, so don't 20 00:01:11.920 --> 00:01:14.319 send us like a it's not dark, it's still daylight. 21 00:01:14.359 --> 00:01:16.760 I was just really storming out, really dark. 22 00:01:17.560 --> 00:01:19.879 I didn't want a picture that was just a you know, darkness, 23 00:01:20.120 --> 00:01:23.799 So I'd love to see that. Though that sounds like 24 00:01:23.799 --> 00:01:24.439 a lot of fun. 25 00:01:24.920 --> 00:01:26.439 That would have been a good gag. You could have 26 00:01:26.480 --> 00:01:29.040 just sent like a jet black square and said like, yeah, 27 00:01:29.079 --> 00:01:30.159 that's it, that's what you asked for. 28 00:01:32.760 --> 00:01:34.120 I don't know about you, but I look better in 29 00:01:34.120 --> 00:01:34.519 the dark. 30 00:01:34.959 --> 00:01:35.799 Oh yeah. 31 00:01:36.359 --> 00:01:38.560 Well, I received some good news from one of our 32 00:01:38.599 --> 00:01:43.000 beloved listeners yesterday. What's up if you guys recall we 33 00:01:43.040 --> 00:01:47.120 did a topical episode a while back and the Playing 34 00:01:47.120 --> 00:01:49.000 with the Boys video came up again and I'd said, 35 00:01:49.000 --> 00:01:50.879 you know what, somebody needs to go and edit that 36 00:01:50.920 --> 00:01:54.719 Wikipedia entry to reflect that that Bobo was in that video. 37 00:01:55.400 --> 00:01:57.799 And so one of our good members, Neil, who we've 38 00:01:58.079 --> 00:02:01.640 chatted with before, he said an email yesterday to the 39 00:02:01.680 --> 00:02:05.000 podcast and said, just figured ou'd pay the positivity forward. 40 00:02:05.439 --> 00:02:07.519 So I went to the link and in the music 41 00:02:07.640 --> 00:02:10.759 video section of the Wikipedia entry for Playing with the Boys, 42 00:02:10.759 --> 00:02:13.919 that says actors James Bobo Fey, best known for the 43 00:02:13.960 --> 00:02:17.719 Animal Planet television series Finding Bigfoot and the podcast Bigfoot 44 00:02:17.719 --> 00:02:20.280 and Beyond with Cliff and Bobo, co presented by Cliff 45 00:02:20.319 --> 00:02:24.560 Barrickman and produced by Matt Pruitt, stars in this music video. Nice. 46 00:02:24.919 --> 00:02:27.879 So thanks to Bobo and thanks to Neil. Now Cliff 47 00:02:27.919 --> 00:02:30.560 and I are forever instantiated in a bit of the 48 00:02:30.599 --> 00:02:31.520 Logins legacy. 49 00:02:33.560 --> 00:02:35.479 Kenny Loggins is a big tent and there's plenty of 50 00:02:35.520 --> 00:02:36.360 room for everyone here. 51 00:02:39.360 --> 00:02:43.120 That's funny. If Nils listening, as I say, if Nil's listening, 52 00:02:43.879 --> 00:02:46.560 give you a little so I turns blue on. 53 00:02:46.639 --> 00:02:46.840 There. 54 00:02:47.360 --> 00:02:51.599 You know you can click a little thing, says the vows, Yeah, 55 00:02:51.719 --> 00:02:54.360 under our names like he linked to the Finding Bigfoot 56 00:02:54.439 --> 00:02:57.479 wiki entry and then to the podcast website, to Cliff's 57 00:02:57.520 --> 00:02:59.240 website and to my website. 58 00:02:59.280 --> 00:03:00.800 So you got to get a web side up so 59 00:03:00.960 --> 00:03:02.199 it can click to somewhere. 60 00:03:02.680 --> 00:03:06.000 Oh it is how it works, yes, sir, Okay. 61 00:03:06.120 --> 00:03:09.319 Yeah, generally, but link's got to go somewhere, right, So. 62 00:03:09.240 --> 00:03:11.400 Thank you so much Neil for doing that. That gave 63 00:03:11.439 --> 00:03:14.080 me a big chuckle. Greatly appreciate that. And say hello 64 00:03:14.120 --> 00:03:16.599 to your mom for us too, because she's also an 65 00:03:16.639 --> 00:03:19.800 avid listener, so we greatly appreciate that. I expected my 66 00:03:19.840 --> 00:03:22.000 life will change tremendously now that I'm part of the 67 00:03:22.039 --> 00:03:25.080 Logins family, and. 68 00:03:25.159 --> 00:03:30.639 I just love you know, non criminal gorilla mischief, Absolutely 69 00:03:30.639 --> 00:03:33.000 love it. So thank you so much. That's amazing, amazing. 70 00:03:33.080 --> 00:03:33.319 Thanks. 71 00:03:36.159 --> 00:03:39.159 Where's this picture, Bobs? I haven't seen it yet. 72 00:03:38.680 --> 00:03:42.240 See when Bobo was talking about having his Roger Patterson 73 00:03:42.319 --> 00:03:44.680 first editions in his safe, I thought he was joking. 74 00:03:44.759 --> 00:03:46.800 But I do see a safe, and I think that's 75 00:03:46.800 --> 00:03:47.319 where they are. 76 00:03:47.800 --> 00:03:49.159 That's exactly where they are. 77 00:03:49.240 --> 00:03:52.199 It's true, it's true. I've seen him. Bobo has quite 78 00:03:52.319 --> 00:03:54.439 the book collection. It may not be as large of 79 00:03:54.439 --> 00:03:57.319 a collection as some other folks in the big book community, 80 00:03:57.680 --> 00:04:02.319 but his, you know, the books that he has far 81 00:04:02.400 --> 00:04:03.080 make up for it. 82 00:04:03.400 --> 00:04:05.080 And I got that one. I got a couple of 83 00:04:05.120 --> 00:04:07.879 books that not many people have got, like that Chinese one. 84 00:04:08.360 --> 00:04:11.479 The guy said, the no non Chinese, how the Chinese one, 85 00:04:11.719 --> 00:04:14.879 because Danny Perez was pretty pretty jealous of that. 86 00:04:15.879 --> 00:04:17.959 Yeah, we picked that up in Shinozha right when we're 87 00:04:17.959 --> 00:04:19.399 over there. Or did you get it somewhere else? 88 00:04:19.839 --> 00:04:22.319 No, there, got it from that profession. We talked to 89 00:04:22.360 --> 00:04:23.480 you about that. 90 00:04:24.519 --> 00:04:26.639 I love the picture. Okay, I just got the picture. 91 00:04:26.680 --> 00:04:28.759 It looks amazing, Bob. It's just like, that's how I 92 00:04:28.759 --> 00:04:31.560 always want to remember you. 93 00:04:31.720 --> 00:04:32.120 Nice. 94 00:04:32.480 --> 00:04:34.399 Well, I had some other stuff this week happened that 95 00:04:34.480 --> 00:04:37.639 was kind of kind of fun. I got, you know, 96 00:04:38.160 --> 00:04:41.839 Toby Johnson. Oh yeah, yeah, but good friend, good guy, 97 00:04:41.959 --> 00:04:44.040 I've done it for a long time, you know, I 98 00:04:44.079 --> 00:04:46.439 go way back, he kind of. He's guy that pointed 99 00:04:46.480 --> 00:04:48.720 me towards the London tracks back in the days. So God, 100 00:04:48.759 --> 00:04:50.399 I must have met him in two thousand and eight 101 00:04:50.439 --> 00:04:52.360 or twenty ten or something. I don't know when, a 102 00:04:52.439 --> 00:04:55.120 long time ago. He lives up in the Olympic Peninsula now, 103 00:04:55.519 --> 00:04:57.079 But I like the guy a lot. We've been good 104 00:04:57.079 --> 00:05:00.759 friends for a long time, despite our differing beliefs on sasquatches. 105 00:05:00.800 --> 00:05:04.959 But he texted me this past week and he brought 106 00:05:05.040 --> 00:05:08.160 up something that well, he basically said, Cliff, look at 107 00:05:08.199 --> 00:05:09.600 this or whatever, you have any thoughts on it? And 108 00:05:09.680 --> 00:05:11.920 go what is this? And it was a YouTube link 109 00:05:11.959 --> 00:05:12.759 and I, what is this? 110 00:05:12.839 --> 00:05:12.959 Man? 111 00:05:12.959 --> 00:05:16.079 I don't like watching bigfoot YouTube stuff. So I clicked 112 00:05:16.079 --> 00:05:17.639 it and it turns out it's his page. I didn't 113 00:05:17.639 --> 00:05:20.519 know he had a YouTube channel, but he does, and 114 00:05:20.560 --> 00:05:22.600 I'm gonna plug it. In fact, I'll put the same 115 00:05:22.680 --> 00:05:25.040 link in the map prudo, but at the same link 116 00:05:25.079 --> 00:05:28.680 in the show notes below. His channel is called Olympic 117 00:05:28.920 --> 00:05:35.279 Strange Days, Bigfoot Paranormal Everything's on the table sort of thing. 118 00:05:35.279 --> 00:05:37.519 As near as I can figure, this is the only 119 00:05:38.120 --> 00:05:39.920 no I've seen two of his videos, but as they're 120 00:05:39.920 --> 00:05:42.240 both happy to do with this one topic here, so 121 00:05:42.279 --> 00:05:45.560 I clicked on it and basically he had access to 122 00:05:45.600 --> 00:05:48.680 this video that he said he's been sitting on for 123 00:05:48.759 --> 00:05:51.399 five years. And I said, oh, this thing again, right, 124 00:05:51.839 --> 00:05:54.600 because several years ago, and I don't remember what year 125 00:05:54.639 --> 00:05:56.959 it was, but Toby came up to me and at 126 00:05:57.000 --> 00:05:59.439 squatch Fest I think it was, and he goes, Cliff, 127 00:05:59.439 --> 00:06:01.360 look at this video I have And I go, oh, yeah, yeah, 128 00:06:01.439 --> 00:06:03.800 I know that videos. It's not a real bigfoot. 129 00:06:04.040 --> 00:06:04.680 He goes, what do you mean? 130 00:06:04.720 --> 00:06:05.920 And I told him a little bit about it and 131 00:06:05.920 --> 00:06:08.959 stuff and told him what I knew about it, and 132 00:06:09.279 --> 00:06:11.680 it kind of surfaced again and he was thinking, Now, 133 00:06:12.639 --> 00:06:14.279 I don't think maybe he didn't believe me at first, 134 00:06:14.360 --> 00:06:16.120 or maybe it just kind of forgot or whatever. But 135 00:06:16.160 --> 00:06:18.279 I told him the origins of it, which we'll get 136 00:06:18.279 --> 00:06:22.000 into in a minute, and now he started asking other people. 137 00:06:22.040 --> 00:06:25.040 He has quite a few other individuals. Again, if you 138 00:06:25.079 --> 00:06:27.839 watch the video, he can tell you from his perspective 139 00:06:27.839 --> 00:06:29.480 what he went through to get to the bottom of this. 140 00:06:29.959 --> 00:06:32.480 And he sent me a link to one of his 141 00:06:32.600 --> 00:06:37.120 videos on his Olympic Strange Days YouTube channel, and I'm 142 00:06:37.120 --> 00:06:39.000 looking at the text right now when he wrote feedback, 143 00:06:39.240 --> 00:06:43.360 who hoaxed this? And then well, it wasn't really a hoax. 144 00:06:43.399 --> 00:06:46.600 That's not really the right word for it. So but 145 00:06:47.360 --> 00:06:50.360 I think it's so odd how things just cycle back through. 146 00:06:51.240 --> 00:06:55.399 And basically the video is a thermal video. It appears 147 00:06:55.439 --> 00:06:59.920 to show a sasquatch walking through the woods being chased 148 00:07:00.079 --> 00:07:02.360 by either a drone or a helicopter. It was actually 149 00:07:02.399 --> 00:07:04.439 a helicopter. I know the backstory of this. I've seen 150 00:07:04.480 --> 00:07:07.600 photographs and all that stuff, but it's basically a thermal 151 00:07:07.720 --> 00:07:12.839 video of a purported sasquatch taken from a helicopter. And 152 00:07:13.000 --> 00:07:16.240 I guess, and again, watch Toby's video. He'll tell you 153 00:07:16.680 --> 00:07:18.839 his version of it, like how he got it and 154 00:07:18.920 --> 00:07:23.000 what he was told about it. So my details, since 155 00:07:23.000 --> 00:07:26.439 I've not watched the whole video of Toby's video, I've 156 00:07:26.480 --> 00:07:28.920 just watched the important parts and stuff, I might be 157 00:07:28.959 --> 00:07:31.639 a little off, but basically, somebody tried to give this 158 00:07:31.680 --> 00:07:34.680 to him, saying that it was a release or leaked 159 00:07:35.480 --> 00:07:39.439 military video or something like that taken in the nineties. 160 00:07:39.480 --> 00:07:42.639 I believe of a sasquatch and secret and all this 161 00:07:42.680 --> 00:07:45.000 sort of stuff, and it wasn't at all. It wasn't 162 00:07:45.000 --> 00:07:48.240 at all. I know where this video came from. So 163 00:07:48.279 --> 00:07:50.240 I guess probably that's the best story to tell right now, 164 00:07:50.439 --> 00:07:53.600 is that this video crossed my desk in twenty fourteen, 165 00:07:53.639 --> 00:07:58.560 twenty fifteen, somewhere in there, Chad Hammel, the field producer 166 00:07:58.600 --> 00:08:02.199 for Finding Bigfoot, supervising field producer, he's basically in charge 167 00:08:02.240 --> 00:08:04.279 of the show out in the field. He texted this 168 00:08:04.319 --> 00:08:07.000 to me because he got it. And this is probably 169 00:08:07.000 --> 00:08:09.920 at the end of twenty fourteen, early twenty fifteen, somewhere 170 00:08:09.920 --> 00:08:13.000 in there. He got it from Fleer, from Fleer itself, 171 00:08:13.519 --> 00:08:16.399 and Fleer was clearing out there. You might remember this, 172 00:08:16.399 --> 00:08:19.839 Bobo as I tell more about it. Yeah, yeah, So 173 00:08:19.879 --> 00:08:23.480 Fleer was cleaning out their closets at the corporate headquarters 174 00:08:23.519 --> 00:08:26.519 there in Wilsonville, the local corporate headquarters, and they came 175 00:08:26.519 --> 00:08:29.279 across a VHS tape that said Bigfoot on him, That's 176 00:08:29.279 --> 00:08:31.720 all I said. So they popped it in and sure enough, 177 00:08:31.720 --> 00:08:33.519 it just seemed to show a sasquatch wandering around. They 178 00:08:33.519 --> 00:08:35.559 had no idea where it was, where it was coming from, 179 00:08:35.679 --> 00:08:40.000 or anything like that, and so they they played it 180 00:08:40.039 --> 00:08:43.919 on a TV screen and then they videotaped the screen 181 00:08:44.639 --> 00:08:47.399 while they're watching it for the first second or third 182 00:08:47.399 --> 00:08:49.279 time or something like that, you know, they're watching it 183 00:08:49.320 --> 00:08:51.039 for the p and then they texted that the Chad 184 00:08:51.039 --> 00:08:53.759 Hamil and said, hey, you know what any think about this? 185 00:08:53.840 --> 00:08:56.080 And Chad texted it to me saying, clips you know 186 00:08:56.159 --> 00:08:57.759 anything about this? And I go, no, I've never seen 187 00:08:57.799 --> 00:08:59.639 that before. It's really interesting. Maybe we should do an 188 00:08:59.639 --> 00:09:02.080 episode on it or something. And he said, yeah, maybe 189 00:09:02.080 --> 00:09:04.159 we should, And but we didn't have We didn't know 190 00:09:04.200 --> 00:09:06.360 where it was coming from. We just knew Flear found 191 00:09:06.360 --> 00:09:08.600 it and stuff, and no, that's interesting enough story, that's 192 00:09:08.639 --> 00:09:10.879 mystery and everything. So we're kind of gearing up to 193 00:09:10.919 --> 00:09:14.360 do one of the mount Hood episodes on this particular 194 00:09:15.480 --> 00:09:19.000 piece of footage. So you know, when we shot Finding Bigfoot, 195 00:09:19.039 --> 00:09:21.799 we would shoot you know what, three to five episodes, 196 00:09:21.840 --> 00:09:23.360 and then we'd come home for a couple of weeks 197 00:09:23.360 --> 00:09:25.240 and like two weeks and go back on the road 198 00:09:25.360 --> 00:09:27.799 shoot three to five more episodes. We'd be gone for 199 00:09:27.840 --> 00:09:30.440 like five six weeks at a time, get home, we 200 00:09:30.519 --> 00:09:32.080 can have two weeks, go back on the road for 201 00:09:32.080 --> 00:09:33.759 five or six weeks at a time, and you know, 202 00:09:34.000 --> 00:09:37.440 Rinse Wash repeat for a long time. And the run 203 00:09:37.519 --> 00:09:40.440 we were filming before we were planning to do this 204 00:09:40.559 --> 00:09:45.600 particular Mount Hood Mystery thermal video that Fleer discovered. We 205 00:09:45.600 --> 00:09:47.679 were shooting the main episode and I was hanging out 206 00:09:47.720 --> 00:09:50.519 with Lauren Coleman. I was with Lauren and his museum 207 00:09:51.039 --> 00:09:53.399 and just kind of shooting the poop and talking about 208 00:09:53.480 --> 00:09:56.000 things that are going on and whatever. And I said, Lauren, 209 00:09:56.039 --> 00:09:58.039 check out this video that we have that we're going 210 00:09:58.080 --> 00:09:59.559 to be doing something on mounta Hood we don't know 211 00:09:59.559 --> 00:10:01.120 anything about. We just thought it would be fun to 212 00:10:01.159 --> 00:10:03.080 do and kind of one of the pieces of the 213 00:10:03.080 --> 00:10:05.039 puzzle here. And I showed it to Laura and he goes, 214 00:10:05.279 --> 00:10:07.919 looks familiar. So well, I don't remember where. I can't 215 00:10:07.960 --> 00:10:10.000 quite remember where I've seen that before, but I know 216 00:10:10.039 --> 00:10:12.840 I've seen that somewhere. I said, oh, that's interesting if 217 00:10:12.840 --> 00:10:15.519 you if you remember, I'd love to hear about it. Cool. 218 00:10:15.919 --> 00:10:19.080 And then like that day or a couple of days later, 219 00:10:19.519 --> 00:10:22.159 I get an email from Lauren saying, Cliff I remembered 220 00:10:22.159 --> 00:10:26.879 where it was. It was from Unsolved Mysteries episode in 221 00:10:26.960 --> 00:10:29.440 nineteen ninety four that Peter Burn was part of, and 222 00:10:29.480 --> 00:10:32.399 I go, no kidding, no kidding, And which is great 223 00:10:32.480 --> 00:10:35.080 because you know, we almost included that as one of 224 00:10:35.080 --> 00:10:38.240 the things we're looking into in our Finding Big Fit episode. 225 00:10:39.159 --> 00:10:41.399 I was going, there's no way that can't be real. 226 00:10:41.440 --> 00:10:45.120 Like I was like that, like that's that's so good, 227 00:10:45.240 --> 00:10:46.639 Like I thought I was. I thought I was for 228 00:10:46.720 --> 00:10:47.320 sure real. 229 00:10:47.799 --> 00:10:49.759 Yeah, it looked pretty good. I mean now looking at 230 00:10:49.759 --> 00:10:51.399 it now, you can there's some telltale things. You can 231 00:10:51.399 --> 00:10:54.919 tell it's a suit. Short arms, well yeah, yeah, yeah. 232 00:10:54.960 --> 00:10:56.879 But the thing that really jumps out to me that 233 00:10:56.919 --> 00:10:59.159 shows us a suit is you know, again we're looking 234 00:10:59.159 --> 00:11:00.799 at heat right because from a limagu or you're not 235 00:11:00.840 --> 00:11:02.919 looking at an actual thing. And by the way, you 236 00:11:02.960 --> 00:11:05.440 can see this video in Toby's YouTube thing. We're not 237 00:11:05.480 --> 00:11:07.120 going to post it or anything like that because we 238 00:11:07.120 --> 00:11:08.840 don't own it, but Toby did it and he's cool 239 00:11:08.840 --> 00:11:10.759 with that, so you can see it on Toby's deal. 240 00:11:11.159 --> 00:11:16.039 But basically, where the suit rests upon the human inside 241 00:11:16.039 --> 00:11:18.519 of it is the warmest part of the suit. So 242 00:11:18.559 --> 00:11:20.559 you can see the top part of the shoulders are 243 00:11:20.639 --> 00:11:22.559 much warmer than most of the rest of the body. 244 00:11:23.000 --> 00:11:24.679 You know, and as the animal or the guy in 245 00:11:24.720 --> 00:11:26.799 the suit is walking around, it gets warmer and warmer, 246 00:11:26.840 --> 00:11:29.879 and that it exaggerates it more. You can basically see 247 00:11:29.879 --> 00:11:32.360 where the human is in contact with the suit more 248 00:11:32.399 --> 00:11:34.480 than the parts it's not. And that's one of the 249 00:11:34.480 --> 00:11:37.399 dead giveaways of a person in a suit when you're 250 00:11:37.440 --> 00:11:38.639 looking at them in thermal imaging. 251 00:11:38.879 --> 00:11:39.080 Right. 252 00:11:39.600 --> 00:11:42.039 So anyway, we had to change things around real fast 253 00:11:42.080 --> 00:11:43.879 and fill a hole in the episode that we kind 254 00:11:43.879 --> 00:11:46.639 of plugged in this particular piece of footage and stuff, 255 00:11:46.639 --> 00:11:50.120 and there you go. So that is the source of 256 00:11:50.120 --> 00:11:52.799 that video. And I told that to Toby a couple 257 00:11:52.840 --> 00:11:55.399 of years ago, but I guess he forgot or I 258 00:11:55.440 --> 00:11:57.519 was looking for more evidence of it or something, or 259 00:11:57.559 --> 00:11:59.559 you know. And again, just like I tell you guys 260 00:11:59.600 --> 00:12:02.399 all the time, you don't believe me, fact check me, 261 00:12:02.639 --> 00:12:04.919 please do. I tell you the truth as I remember it. 262 00:12:04.960 --> 00:12:08.120 But I'm incorrect sometimes everybody is no big deal. But 263 00:12:08.159 --> 00:12:09.919 I'll always tell you my version of the truth. And 264 00:12:09.919 --> 00:12:12.759 maybe I'm in correct sometimes, but maybe that's what Toby assumed. 265 00:12:12.799 --> 00:12:15.919 I was just incorrect. So anyway, the sinks surfaced again 266 00:12:16.919 --> 00:12:19.360 this past week and I said, well, who hoaxed this? 267 00:12:19.440 --> 00:12:21.240 He asked, and I go, well, it's not a hoaxince 268 00:12:21.279 --> 00:12:23.879 from nineties, and you know, I followed up, by the way, 269 00:12:24.919 --> 00:12:28.320 not with Peter, but with Larry Lund at the time, 270 00:12:28.360 --> 00:12:31.799 back in twenty fifteen. I forwarded it to Larry Lund 271 00:12:31.919 --> 00:12:33.720 and he goes, oh, yeah, yeah, I was there on 272 00:12:33.759 --> 00:12:35.399 that shoot. And then next time I was hanging out 273 00:12:35.440 --> 00:12:37.120 with Larry, because Larry and I get together a couple 274 00:12:37.159 --> 00:12:39.559 times a year and just hang out. And he pulled 275 00:12:39.600 --> 00:12:42.759 out photographs from that very shoot and it was shot 276 00:12:42.759 --> 00:12:44.399 on the east side of Mountain Hood and he had 277 00:12:44.399 --> 00:12:46.000 the pictures of the guy in the suit with the 278 00:12:46.039 --> 00:12:48.519 head off of it, you know, like taking a break 279 00:12:48.519 --> 00:12:50.919 and getting some air. He had pictures of the helicopter 280 00:12:51.159 --> 00:12:52.000 and the whole nine. 281 00:12:52.039 --> 00:12:52.159 You know. 282 00:12:52.200 --> 00:12:56.480 It was clearly that episode Unsolved Mysteries. Whatever season it was, 283 00:12:56.600 --> 00:12:58.600 I don't know. I know it's on Amazon Prime though, 284 00:12:58.600 --> 00:13:00.879 if you do want to pull it up. Amazon Prime 285 00:13:00.919 --> 00:13:02.960 has it. That's where I pulled it up. So anyway, 286 00:13:03.159 --> 00:13:05.279 he was saying, hey, can you get any more information 287 00:13:05.320 --> 00:13:06.879 on it? And I said, well, it's a TV show. 288 00:13:07.159 --> 00:13:09.039 It was Unsolved Mysteries. 289 00:13:08.759 --> 00:13:10.399 Yeah, yeah, yeah, it goes. How come I can't find 290 00:13:10.399 --> 00:13:12.679 the footage online and stuff? And I said, I don't know, 291 00:13:12.720 --> 00:13:14.759 but that's what it was. And so what I did 292 00:13:15.039 --> 00:13:19.000 is I pulled up the episode and kind of rewatched it. 293 00:13:19.000 --> 00:13:21.960 It turns out that that footage is not actually in 294 00:13:22.080 --> 00:13:24.360 the episode, which is part of the mystery of it, 295 00:13:25.159 --> 00:13:28.000 or was the mystery of it? They and you know 296 00:13:28.000 --> 00:13:30.039 what it is is. You know, Bobie, you'll appreciate this 297 00:13:30.159 --> 00:13:32.320 probably more than most of our listeners would because you've 298 00:13:32.360 --> 00:13:35.399 been associated so closely with television for so long. Is 299 00:13:35.440 --> 00:13:39.279 that chasing a bigfoot around with the helicopter really didn't 300 00:13:39.279 --> 00:13:43.519 fit the storyline that they set up. The story that 301 00:13:43.559 --> 00:13:45.960 they set up because they were doing Peter Burns Bigfoot 302 00:13:45.960 --> 00:13:48.120 research project, and Peter was basically saying, look at me, 303 00:13:48.200 --> 00:13:51.480 I've got a helicopter in advanced thermal imaging technology. And 304 00:13:51.559 --> 00:13:53.600 this is in ninety four, by the way, so terms 305 00:13:53.679 --> 00:13:57.039 were practically unheard of at the time. This was high, 306 00:13:57.159 --> 00:13:59.799 high level stuff in ninety four. You know, you can 307 00:13:59.840 --> 00:14:01.639 look at the quality of the footage and say, oh, yeah, 308 00:14:01.639 --> 00:14:04.080 that's pretty good quality therm right there, and for ninety 309 00:14:04.080 --> 00:14:07.240 four it's outrageous. You know, that was a very expensive 310 00:14:07.320 --> 00:14:09.759 unit back in the day. And Peter was basically saying, yeah, 311 00:14:09.799 --> 00:14:11.960 look at the tech I have in case you want 312 00:14:12.000 --> 00:14:14.399 to give my nonprofit more money and stuff, and like, 313 00:14:14.440 --> 00:14:16.879 look what we can do. And that's what that was 314 00:14:16.919 --> 00:14:19.639 the hook of this particular segment. You know, Peter Burns 315 00:14:19.679 --> 00:14:22.000 Bigfoot research project, which was based out in Parkdale on 316 00:14:22.039 --> 00:14:24.639 the east side of Mount Hood and the story of 317 00:14:24.679 --> 00:14:28.679 the episode. When you watch the episode of Unsolved Mysteries, it's, yeah, 318 00:14:28.679 --> 00:14:31.000 we're here with this cracked team of bigfoot nerds and 319 00:14:31.360 --> 00:14:35.240 whatever else, and they're doing a run through, a practice 320 00:14:35.320 --> 00:14:39.720 run chasing a fugitive because chasing a fugitive will give 321 00:14:39.799 --> 00:14:41.840 us more practice on chasing a real bigfoot when that 322 00:14:41.919 --> 00:14:45.000 time comes. So apparently they filmed both them, and you 323 00:14:45.000 --> 00:14:47.200 can see the footage of the guy running through the 324 00:14:47.240 --> 00:14:50.120 trees and everything. But in the footage you'll see on 325 00:14:50.159 --> 00:14:54.960 Toby's page there, it's actually a guy in a bigfoot suit. Now, 326 00:14:55.000 --> 00:14:58.240 the thing is, you can see the GPS coordinates in 327 00:14:58.320 --> 00:15:01.840 both pieces of footage, see the date stamp, and you 328 00:15:01.879 --> 00:15:05.320 can see the time stamp on both pieces of footage. 329 00:15:05.840 --> 00:15:09.240 The GPS coordinates are almost identical, the date is obviously 330 00:15:09.240 --> 00:15:11.840 the same, and the time stamp itself. I think the 331 00:15:11.879 --> 00:15:15.240 Bigfoot stuff was like five minutes later, three to eight 332 00:15:15.240 --> 00:15:17.919 minutes later, somewhere there, you know. So it was shot 333 00:15:18.039 --> 00:15:21.240 right after the dude running through the woods for practice, 334 00:15:21.279 --> 00:15:22.879 because you aren't going to put a helicopter down and 335 00:15:22.919 --> 00:15:24.279 then put it back up. You're just going to make 336 00:15:24.279 --> 00:15:26.720 a guy run because helicopters are too expensive for that 337 00:15:26.759 --> 00:15:29.440 sort of thing. So they filmed the dude running through 338 00:15:29.480 --> 00:15:31.799 which is the actual footage that they used in the episode, 339 00:15:32.360 --> 00:15:34.799 and then they filmed the Bigfoot stuff which they never 340 00:15:34.919 --> 00:15:37.360 used in the episode, which is you know, makes sense 341 00:15:37.399 --> 00:15:39.960 to me because and I'm sure Bobo too, because we're 342 00:15:40.279 --> 00:15:42.759 you know, we did TV for so long, a lot 343 00:15:42.759 --> 00:15:44.639 of the stuff ends up on the cutting room floor, 344 00:15:44.879 --> 00:15:50.039 so to speak. Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond 345 00:15:50.120 --> 00:15:53.000 with Cliff and Bogo. 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So he's 395 00:18:16.880 --> 00:18:19.119 at the museum and I pulled up the you know, 396 00:18:19.160 --> 00:18:21.960 the Unsolved Mysteries episode. Then I put the footage, the 397 00:18:22.079 --> 00:18:23.759 version I have, I had it for years and years 398 00:18:23.759 --> 00:18:26.240 and years, and my hard drive right next to it, 399 00:18:26.240 --> 00:18:28.240 and I pointed out the GPS, I pointed out the 400 00:18:28.279 --> 00:18:31.079 Times stuff, and I pointed out this and that, and 401 00:18:31.319 --> 00:18:36.319 there you go. And so one more misidentification of a 402 00:18:36.319 --> 00:18:38.759 piece of footage, I guess has been put to bed. 403 00:18:38.799 --> 00:18:41.079 And by the way, the reason I'm bringing this up 404 00:18:41.160 --> 00:18:44.119 is not only because it's Bigfoot related and finding Bigfoot related, 405 00:18:44.319 --> 00:18:49.160 and you know, it's not really a hoax because it 406 00:18:49.200 --> 00:18:53.559 was a recreation filmed for a TV show, right, so 407 00:18:53.599 --> 00:18:56.839 they didn't intend for it to be a hoax. But 408 00:18:57.960 --> 00:19:01.200 since Toby posted this like last week, you know, this 409 00:19:01.759 --> 00:19:04.640 past week, I should say, what is it today? Wednesday? 410 00:19:04.920 --> 00:19:07.200 I think Toby was in the town on Sunday or so. 411 00:19:07.319 --> 00:19:09.799 I don't know. This last week he started posting all this. 412 00:19:10.279 --> 00:19:14.240 It's already crossed my desk twice on social media, on 413 00:19:14.279 --> 00:19:17.839 emails and stuff, people saying, look at this cliff. Is 414 00:19:17.880 --> 00:19:20.160 it real? That's military blah blah blah, is it out? 415 00:19:20.200 --> 00:19:23.440 Oh my god, is this real? Cliff? So people are 416 00:19:23.480 --> 00:19:27.759 now repurposing this footage that was filmed as a recreation 417 00:19:28.599 --> 00:19:32.359 and saying that it is a military thing or somebody 418 00:19:32.400 --> 00:19:36.000 filmed this or has been leaked or whatever. And and 419 00:19:36.039 --> 00:19:39.680 I'll tell you now that is hoaxing. The footage itself 420 00:19:39.759 --> 00:19:42.559 is not a hoax because it was never intended for 421 00:19:42.640 --> 00:19:44.839 it to be a hoax. But people who are out 422 00:19:44.839 --> 00:19:48.319 there saying that it's real and this is the backstory 423 00:19:48.400 --> 00:19:51.960 and all this other stuff that could very well cross 424 00:19:52.039 --> 00:19:55.640 that line, that fuzzy line into hoaxing. So be careful 425 00:19:55.640 --> 00:19:58.160 what you believe out there. And I'm sure that this 426 00:19:58.240 --> 00:19:59.960 is not going to be the end of this particular 427 00:20:00.079 --> 00:20:03.119 piece of footage. It will continue to resurface. Now that 428 00:20:03.119 --> 00:20:05.400 it has been put out in the public realm, people 429 00:20:05.400 --> 00:20:07.759 are going to grab it, and you know, as people 430 00:20:08.039 --> 00:20:10.319 ebb and flow through the Bigfoot community, over the next 431 00:20:10.319 --> 00:20:12.799 five or eight years, we will continue to see this 432 00:20:12.839 --> 00:20:15.680 particular piece of footage. But let it be known that 433 00:20:15.799 --> 00:20:19.279 it is not real. And you know, I mean I 434 00:20:19.599 --> 00:20:21.160 Bubba and I both saw it and we thought, oh, 435 00:20:21.200 --> 00:20:24.039 that looks amazing, but it is not real. It was 436 00:20:24.160 --> 00:20:27.799 It's not truly a hoax until someone purports it to 437 00:20:27.839 --> 00:20:30.759 be from something that it is not and they know 438 00:20:30.920 --> 00:20:34.119 better then that's hoaxing. But anyway, you know, one of 439 00:20:34.160 --> 00:20:37.000 the cool things about this is that in Toby's video 440 00:20:37.039 --> 00:20:38.519 that you can watch that because it'll be in the 441 00:20:38.640 --> 00:20:42.759 show notes, he offers this really cool carved bigfoot head 442 00:20:43.160 --> 00:20:47.119 as a prize for whoever can can solve this mystery, 443 00:20:47.680 --> 00:20:50.839 and he gave it to me. I didn't. I told him, dude, 444 00:20:50.839 --> 00:20:52.519 you didn't have to do that. I mean, he's a 445 00:20:52.559 --> 00:20:54.720 chainsaw carver now as part of his living. You don't 446 00:20:54.720 --> 00:20:56.200 have to do that. Man, we're friends, and you know, 447 00:20:56.440 --> 00:20:58.240 I just tell you. I just I'm glad the truth 448 00:20:58.319 --> 00:21:00.400 is out there. But he said, no, no, no, this is cool. 449 00:21:00.400 --> 00:21:02.920 I'm excited about it. And you know, I told everybody 450 00:21:02.960 --> 00:21:04.119 I would do it, and I want to do it. 451 00:21:04.440 --> 00:21:08.160 So I accepted it as a donation to the North 452 00:21:08.160 --> 00:21:11.640 American big Foot Center. So now I have two, actually 453 00:21:11.640 --> 00:21:15.759 have three pieces of art from Toby Johnson in the museum, 454 00:21:16.359 --> 00:21:18.240 and I couldn't be happier about it. And it was 455 00:21:18.319 --> 00:21:20.039 nice to hang out with Toby again because I just 456 00:21:20.039 --> 00:21:23.119 loved the guys had a lot of fun. So we'll 457 00:21:23.119 --> 00:21:25.799 be posting some of this stuff to uh probably do 458 00:21:25.839 --> 00:21:27.160 the members. I'm guessing right through it. 459 00:21:27.680 --> 00:21:29.799 Yeah, that's the easiest place to host all that stuff. 460 00:21:30.160 --> 00:21:31.880 Yeah, so I'll send you a couple of pictures of 461 00:21:31.920 --> 00:21:34.160 the head and stuff like that, and I'll send that 462 00:21:34.200 --> 00:21:36.079 to you right now, Matt, and there you go. So 463 00:21:36.240 --> 00:21:37.920 that's kind of some of the big news that was 464 00:21:37.960 --> 00:21:40.880 happening in this past week in my life. At least 465 00:21:40.880 --> 00:21:43.039 I want a cool bigfoot head. There will be a 466 00:21:43.079 --> 00:21:44.960 picture of it on the for the members, of course. 467 00:21:45.440 --> 00:21:48.480 And yeah, I got to get to the bottom of 468 00:21:48.519 --> 00:21:51.599 another mystery like any like any good hardy boy would 469 00:21:52.200 --> 00:21:53.039 well done. 470 00:21:53.880 --> 00:21:56.359 Yeah, I saw that video. I got, I got, I 471 00:21:56.440 --> 00:21:59.400 got like several texts and emails going like, dude, if 472 00:21:59.400 --> 00:22:01.079 you've seen this as this is insane. I was like, 473 00:22:01.960 --> 00:22:05.759 that's mystery solved already, like over ten years ago. 474 00:22:06.319 --> 00:22:08.759 Yeah, yeah, it's kind of It was funny to see 475 00:22:08.759 --> 00:22:10.680 it again. It's like, well, of course that's going to 476 00:22:10.720 --> 00:22:12.319 come around again. And so I thought it'd be a 477 00:22:12.359 --> 00:22:13.880 good idea to talk it, spend a little time on 478 00:22:13.880 --> 00:22:16.279 our podcast here getting out to a lot of people's 479 00:22:16.319 --> 00:22:18.559 ears that if you see this, don't believe it, don't 480 00:22:18.559 --> 00:22:23.039 get all excited about it, and diffuse the misinformation. This 481 00:22:23.119 --> 00:22:25.400 has been put to bed thanks to Lauren Coleman. Straight out. 482 00:22:25.400 --> 00:22:29.319 Thank you to Lauren Coleman because he recognized it. I 483 00:22:29.359 --> 00:22:31.240 did not when I first saw it. It didn't sound 484 00:22:31.240 --> 00:22:34.680 like you did either, Bob. So like, Lauren saved us 485 00:22:34.759 --> 00:22:36.599 in a lot of ways, because not only would that 486 00:22:36.640 --> 00:22:40.000 have been an embarrassment, but then again, at the same time, 487 00:22:40.079 --> 00:22:43.519 you know, that footage was never actually aired, which is 488 00:22:43.599 --> 00:22:45.519 part of the reason it didn't look familiar, But it 489 00:22:45.559 --> 00:22:48.720 looked familiar enough because of the other stuff chasing the 490 00:22:48.799 --> 00:22:51.440 dude through the forest that Lauren clued in on it. 491 00:22:51.480 --> 00:22:54.319 So it hats off to Lauren for putting the pieces 492 00:22:54.319 --> 00:22:58.000 together for us. And like, imagine the embarrassment of finding 493 00:22:58.039 --> 00:23:01.279 Bigfoot doing that and then finding out that another television 494 00:23:01.279 --> 00:23:04.440 production actually owned that footage, you know, and then finding 495 00:23:04.480 --> 00:23:09.480 Bigfoot put it out. That'd be hilarious. Yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. 496 00:23:09.519 --> 00:23:13.519 The same old videos and pictures resurface every year because 497 00:23:13.559 --> 00:23:16.480 the turnover rate in Sasquatchree is so high that there's 498 00:23:16.519 --> 00:23:19.640 always like a bevy of brand new people who haven't 499 00:23:19.680 --> 00:23:23.480 been exposed to this stuff. And what people do, like 500 00:23:23.519 --> 00:23:25.440 in this case, is they're like, oh, I received this. 501 00:23:25.599 --> 00:23:27.880 It was a leak from you know, they changed the backstory. 502 00:23:28.079 --> 00:23:30.559 You remember that picture of a I think it was 503 00:23:30.799 --> 00:23:34.000 a melanistic leopard. I think it was from Africa, although 504 00:23:34.000 --> 00:23:36.400 it might have been a melanistic jaguar in South America. 505 00:23:36.519 --> 00:23:39.680 Either way, it was taken in like an enclosed environment. 506 00:23:40.400 --> 00:23:43.000 But it's been around for like twenty five years on 507 00:23:43.000 --> 00:23:45.039 the internet, and everyone's like, oh, yeah, my cousin got 508 00:23:45.039 --> 00:23:49.079 this in his backyard in Texas, Georgia, Tennessee, Arizona, Arkansas. 509 00:23:49.119 --> 00:23:52.319 You know, it doesn't matter where. People just find those 510 00:23:52.319 --> 00:23:55.640 pictures reposted and act like, you know, they're the ones 511 00:23:55.680 --> 00:23:58.400 who uncovered it, and there's a whole new group of 512 00:23:58.400 --> 00:23:59.559 people to go, oh. 513 00:23:59.400 --> 00:24:00.640 My god, this is amazing. 514 00:24:00.680 --> 00:24:03.079 This guy took this in his backyard, or you know, 515 00:24:03.160 --> 00:24:06.359 Toby received leaked intel from the military, or whatever the 516 00:24:06.359 --> 00:24:09.480 case may be. You know, yeah, yeah, I don't know. 517 00:24:09.920 --> 00:24:12.000 Again, a lot of this on YouTube and the internet 518 00:24:12.039 --> 00:24:13.799 and social media and stuff. I don't pay too much 519 00:24:13.799 --> 00:24:16.359 attention to any of that stuff. But Toby was given 520 00:24:16.440 --> 00:24:19.079 me was speaking in such a way that led me 521 00:24:19.079 --> 00:24:20.880 to believe that there's a fair number of people that 522 00:24:20.880 --> 00:24:23.079 think this is real footage. Out there, you know, so 523 00:24:23.119 --> 00:24:25.160 it'll be interesting to see who goes to the mat 524 00:24:25.400 --> 00:24:27.839 for to say that this is real, and you know, 525 00:24:27.920 --> 00:24:30.079 all that kind of stuff. But not that I'll ever 526 00:24:30.119 --> 00:24:32.559 hear about it or care necessarily, But I just think 527 00:24:32.599 --> 00:24:35.079 it's so funny that people would stick to their opinion. 528 00:24:35.359 --> 00:24:38.440 You know, I'm assuming, maybe I'm hopefully I'll be just 529 00:24:38.559 --> 00:24:40.839 wrong about this, but I would expect some people to 530 00:24:40.880 --> 00:24:43.599 stick to their opinion instead of the facts, because their 531 00:24:43.640 --> 00:24:45.920 opinion to them are facts. 532 00:24:46.319 --> 00:24:48.559 There were people who sent that or even in the past, 533 00:24:48.559 --> 00:24:51.279 things like that, and you know, they'll take it pretty 534 00:24:51.279 --> 00:24:53.359 hard when you deflate them, and then they'll say things like, 535 00:24:53.400 --> 00:24:56.559 oh God, but I wish it was real, And we 536 00:24:56.640 --> 00:24:58.720 have a saying here in the South, and I'll clean 537 00:24:58.759 --> 00:25:00.000 it up for the air. But you know, you can 538 00:25:00.079 --> 00:25:01.720 wish in one hand and poop in the other and 539 00:25:01.759 --> 00:25:03.440 wait and see which one fills up first. 540 00:25:05.359 --> 00:25:06.319 I love that saying. 541 00:25:06.799 --> 00:25:08.599 Yeah. 542 00:25:08.680 --> 00:25:10.839 I mean, there was one a guy sent me a 543 00:25:10.839 --> 00:25:13.240 couple of years ago. That was the two thousand and 544 00:25:13.279 --> 00:25:17.519 eight Rick Dyer Matt Whitten Bigfoot Body in the Freezer hoax. 545 00:25:17.599 --> 00:25:20.920 That someone sit a guy who calls himself a sasquatch 546 00:25:20.960 --> 00:25:23.119 researcher sent me that pictures like, oh my god, have 547 00:25:23.200 --> 00:25:26.119 you seen this? And I was like, dude, really. 548 00:25:27.839 --> 00:25:31.400 Well, yeah, things like that surface all the time all 549 00:25:31.440 --> 00:25:36.519 the I've seen some footprints like that as well. And 550 00:25:36.559 --> 00:25:38.680 then every once in a while something really throws a 551 00:25:38.720 --> 00:25:41.599 curveball at me where it's something I recognize, but a 552 00:25:41.640 --> 00:25:43.880 different version of it that isn't put out there as 553 00:25:43.880 --> 00:25:46.079 a hoax but just mistaken identity. I think I meant 554 00:25:46.079 --> 00:25:49.160 maybe mentioned this couple maybe a couple months ago, like 555 00:25:49.160 --> 00:25:52.119 two or three months ago. Yeah, I must have, because 556 00:25:52.119 --> 00:25:54.640 Meldrum sent me a photograph of a footprint in the 557 00:25:54.640 --> 00:25:56.599 ground from that. He said it was from sixty eight 558 00:25:57.160 --> 00:25:59.400 or sixty nine or something. I think it was sixty eight, 559 00:25:59.680 --> 00:26:02.960 and it was it was clearly a Patterson Gimlin footprint, 560 00:26:03.240 --> 00:26:04.599 you know, And I say, oh, this might be the 561 00:26:04.640 --> 00:26:07.960 first evidence of that animal being tracked after the film, 562 00:26:08.119 --> 00:26:11.680 you know. But it turns out that it was another 563 00:26:11.759 --> 00:26:14.839 photograph from when Jim McLaren went there, not Jim McLaren. 564 00:26:15.599 --> 00:26:18.480 Lyle Laberty. Yeah, Lyle Laberty went there, so somebody else 565 00:26:18.559 --> 00:26:22.200 on his crew took a picture, or maybe Lyle Laborty 566 00:26:22.200 --> 00:26:23.960 took another one that i'd never been published, but it 567 00:26:24.039 --> 00:26:27.839 was literally one of those same footprints in the ground 568 00:26:28.160 --> 00:26:31.039 that Lyle Laberty photographed, but a different angle at it 569 00:26:31.079 --> 00:26:33.680 that I'd never seen before. So there's stuff out there 570 00:26:33.839 --> 00:26:35.759 that every once in a while surfaces, and this has 571 00:26:35.799 --> 00:26:39.160 bad information on it, because that was whoever sent it 572 00:26:39.200 --> 00:26:41.680 to Meldrum said that Forrest Service took it, and I 573 00:26:41.720 --> 00:26:43.519 think it was I think he claimed that he took it, 574 00:26:43.680 --> 00:26:46.559 or one of somebody in his family or something, but 575 00:26:46.599 --> 00:26:48.640 it was in sixty eight and that was incorrect, and 576 00:26:48.680 --> 00:26:50.680 I think Meldrum went back and said, actually, this isn't 577 00:26:50.720 --> 00:26:53.039 sixty eight, it was sixty seven, and the guy kind of like, well, 578 00:26:53.880 --> 00:26:56.240 I'm not sure that's accurate, but it clearly was. You 579 00:26:56.240 --> 00:26:58.480 could see the same rocks in the picture, and it 580 00:26:58.519 --> 00:26:59.880 was clearly a Patty footprint. 581 00:27:00.440 --> 00:27:00.680 Yeah. 582 00:27:00.680 --> 00:27:04.359 So there's all sorts of different iterations of that sort 583 00:27:04.359 --> 00:27:07.880 of phenomenon, like the same things being recycled for the 584 00:27:07.920 --> 00:27:12.039 public in various ways, with various backstories, some nefarious like 585 00:27:12.119 --> 00:27:15.960 straight up made up, some just repeated from somebody else 586 00:27:16.000 --> 00:27:19.160 who made it up, and then some just erroneous. 587 00:27:19.680 --> 00:27:21.279 I see it a lot with some of the new 588 00:27:21.319 --> 00:27:24.319 content creators too, because they're always looking for new things 589 00:27:24.319 --> 00:27:27.200 to post or talk about, so they'll resurrect old things 590 00:27:27.240 --> 00:27:29.680 that they don't realize our hoaxes and put it out 591 00:27:29.680 --> 00:27:31.799 to their audience like hey, what do you guys think 592 00:27:31.799 --> 00:27:34.720 of this? Where it's like, hey, if you had looked 593 00:27:34.759 --> 00:27:37.119 into that for five seconds, you would have had the 594 00:27:37.599 --> 00:27:38.799 correct thoughts about it. 595 00:27:39.000 --> 00:27:42.160 But oh well, yeah, well, social media really is about 596 00:27:42.160 --> 00:27:45.000 the quick and easy, you know, I mean, you can. 597 00:27:45.519 --> 00:27:48.559 I love that. I saw something years ago when I 598 00:27:48.599 --> 00:27:51.039 paid more attention to it. It was some sort of 599 00:27:52.559 --> 00:27:57.319 inflammatory headline on an article that, if you read it, 600 00:27:57.359 --> 00:27:59.960 points out that nobody reads articles but gets all beat 601 00:28:00.079 --> 00:28:02.720 out of shape at headlines. And it was great because 602 00:28:02.960 --> 00:28:05.440 you look at the comments and they just they fed 603 00:28:05.519 --> 00:28:09.799 right into it. They totally fell for the joke dash 604 00:28:10.079 --> 00:28:12.279 trap that they that was set for them, and it 605 00:28:12.359 --> 00:28:16.960 was absolutely hilarious. I just loved it. But you know again, 606 00:28:17.160 --> 00:28:19.119 social media is for the quick and easy. Frankly, it's 607 00:28:19.160 --> 00:28:21.559 for the lazy in my opinion, Like you like, if 608 00:28:21.559 --> 00:28:23.480 you don't you don't want to know something, go on 609 00:28:23.519 --> 00:28:25.079 social media. They'll tell you all about what you don't 610 00:28:25.119 --> 00:28:25.440 want to know. 611 00:28:25.960 --> 00:28:28.160 I think that's why we don't really post much short 612 00:28:28.160 --> 00:28:32.920 form content because we're not for that attention span. You know, 613 00:28:33.000 --> 00:28:35.799 I'm not interested in appealing to that sort of attention span. 614 00:28:36.799 --> 00:28:40.200 Things that are really complex and rich. You can't just 615 00:28:40.400 --> 00:28:43.319 flatten it into some like two dimensional three second long, 616 00:28:43.559 --> 00:28:46.119 five second long presentation. Like no, if you if you 617 00:28:46.119 --> 00:28:47.680 want to hear what this is about, you might have 618 00:28:47.720 --> 00:28:50.559 to listen for an hour, but then you'll fully understand it. 619 00:28:50.599 --> 00:28:53.359 But no, you can't just condense it to some short 620 00:28:53.400 --> 00:28:55.680 form thing. I think people are creating a lot of 621 00:28:55.720 --> 00:28:58.480 short form stuff, so you see it everywhere. But most 622 00:28:58.519 --> 00:29:01.200 people when they get on those apps like YouTube or 623 00:29:01.359 --> 00:29:04.759 podcast like, they want to hear in depth discussions or 624 00:29:04.799 --> 00:29:09.039 analyzes or explorations of the subjects that they're interested in. 625 00:29:09.359 --> 00:29:11.759 They don't just want to scroll through reels and clips 626 00:29:11.799 --> 00:29:14.079 all day. They want to dig in. I mean, we've 627 00:29:14.079 --> 00:29:16.440 been running for six years and have tens of thousands 628 00:29:16.480 --> 00:29:20.440 of subscribers on the audio platform, so of which I'm 629 00:29:20.759 --> 00:29:24.960 exceedingly extremely grateful. So I think that's a testament to that. Like, No, 630 00:29:25.440 --> 00:29:28.839 I don't think everybody just wants you know, quick clips thankfully. 631 00:29:29.400 --> 00:29:32.119 Yeah, Well, let's hope I'm glad. I'm glad that that 632 00:29:32.200 --> 00:29:36.920 seems to be true. Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and 633 00:29:37.079 --> 00:29:39.759 Beyond with Cliff and Bobo will be right back after 634 00:29:39.799 --> 00:29:47.799 these messages. Well you know enough about that. I mean, 635 00:29:47.960 --> 00:29:49.599 I think that was an important thing to go over 636 00:29:49.680 --> 00:29:52.480 because people will be seeing this footage out there and 637 00:29:52.519 --> 00:29:54.720 now you know, now you know, and you can help 638 00:29:54.839 --> 00:29:58.640 stop the spread of misinformation, you know, from people who 639 00:29:58.680 --> 00:30:00.920 say that they know where this came from and whatever else. 640 00:30:00.920 --> 00:30:03.920 And somebody's gonna say Cliff is full of it. I'm 641 00:30:03.920 --> 00:30:05.839 not full of anything, man, except for facts. At this one. 642 00:30:06.039 --> 00:30:08.559 You can we can prove this one. So don't don't 643 00:30:08.599 --> 00:30:11.599 let anybody who's poopoing this. I've got no dog in 644 00:30:11.599 --> 00:30:13.839 this fight. Sure I want a cool carving, but that's 645 00:30:13.839 --> 00:30:16.240 the end of it. But anyway, well, this is actually 646 00:30:16.279 --> 00:30:18.440 a topical episode and for the last half hours, so 647 00:30:18.480 --> 00:30:20.279 we're going to dive into a couple of these topics 648 00:30:20.319 --> 00:30:22.240 and get through as many as we can, and then 649 00:30:22.279 --> 00:30:24.200 we'll run off and do a members episode with a 650 00:30:24.240 --> 00:30:27.799 couple of those things in it. But for now, let's 651 00:30:27.839 --> 00:30:30.359 start with this one article here. 652 00:30:30.559 --> 00:30:31.000 Where is it? 653 00:30:31.079 --> 00:30:34.200 Let me pull it up? Okay, this one is Manga 654 00:30:34.200 --> 00:30:37.160 Bay is the name of the publication and the article's 655 00:30:37.240 --> 00:30:42.559 title is camera traps capture first glimpse of genetically distinct 656 00:30:42.920 --> 00:30:50.119 chimps in Southwestern Nigeria. And to summarize this pretty much, basically, 657 00:30:50.200 --> 00:30:55.119 there's a very very genetically distinct species of chimpanzee that 658 00:30:55.400 --> 00:30:59.559 is out there in Nigeria in its place called what 659 00:30:59.680 --> 00:31:01.599 is it key or E C E S. I think 660 00:31:01.599 --> 00:31:02.000 it is. 661 00:31:02.440 --> 00:31:09.240 As cool as the only indigenous grassroots conservation organization in 662 00:31:09.279 --> 00:31:11.240 all of Nigeria. And they're the ones that got the footage. 663 00:31:11.319 --> 00:31:12.839 That's a good score for them. 664 00:31:13.480 --> 00:31:14.119 Absolutely. 665 00:31:14.400 --> 00:31:15.839 You want to know where the habits of been animal, 666 00:31:15.880 --> 00:31:19.519 you talk to a local person. Yeah, yeah, but this 667 00:31:19.559 --> 00:31:22.759 particular article is cool and it's very hopeful because they 668 00:31:22.759 --> 00:31:24.839 had not gotten pictures of these things, and they were 669 00:31:24.880 --> 00:31:27.880 going around telling the local people saying, hey, we have 670 00:31:27.960 --> 00:31:30.359 to change our ways because these this rare species of 671 00:31:30.440 --> 00:31:33.839 chimp is out here. But they had not captured any 672 00:31:33.920 --> 00:31:36.160 video of them. They had not captured any photographs of them. 673 00:31:36.160 --> 00:31:38.519 They're just saying, I think they're here. And then the 674 00:31:38.559 --> 00:31:42.400 local people were not willing to stop their habits because 675 00:31:42.440 --> 00:31:44.799 they weren't so sure. And I think That's one of 676 00:31:44.839 --> 00:31:47.119 the one of the big takeaways from this article is 677 00:31:47.119 --> 00:31:48.839 that I think, I guess one of the things that 678 00:31:49.039 --> 00:31:52.680 like that there's a lot of land use for you know, 679 00:31:52.720 --> 00:31:55.240 like marijuana cultivation in this particular area. 680 00:31:55.640 --> 00:31:58.319 Yeah, surprised to see that. I was like, what in 681 00:31:58.400 --> 00:32:01.400 Nigeria there's a weed growing region, had no idea. 682 00:32:02.000 --> 00:32:04.319 Yeah, and of course we'd growing I just a plant 683 00:32:04.319 --> 00:32:06.160 and everything, but a lot of the chemicals that are 684 00:32:06.240 --> 00:32:08.559 used in it are really damaging into the environment, you know, 685 00:32:09.680 --> 00:32:12.480 I guess a lot of the fertilizers in particular or whatever, 686 00:32:12.759 --> 00:32:17.880 and it's a very nutrient hungry plant, I guess. So, yeah, 687 00:32:17.920 --> 00:32:19.440 they were kind of screwing up a lot of land 688 00:32:19.440 --> 00:32:21.759 and taking a lot of the habitat from these chimpanzees 689 00:32:23.079 --> 00:32:26.559 for marijuana and other things as well. They're just damaging 690 00:32:26.599 --> 00:32:30.039 the environment. But now that they got a picture of 691 00:32:30.039 --> 00:32:33.000 one of these things, the local people are saying, oh okay, 692 00:32:33.079 --> 00:32:35.519 oh yeah, now we're with you. Now we can help out. 693 00:32:35.599 --> 00:32:38.599 Now that we know that what's up, we're happy to 694 00:32:38.640 --> 00:32:40.960 do some stuff and change our ways a little bit 695 00:32:40.960 --> 00:32:45.799 to help these chimpanzees because it is a very endangered species. 696 00:32:45.880 --> 00:32:49.240 Chimpanzee or a type of chimpanzee or sub subspecies. I 697 00:32:49.240 --> 00:32:53.720 guess they estimate there's about twenty five of these things 698 00:32:54.559 --> 00:32:58.720 living in an area of about eight thousand acres. Now 699 00:32:58.960 --> 00:33:01.000 eight thousand acres sounds like a lot, and it is, 700 00:33:01.000 --> 00:33:02.640 don't get me wrong, But I didn't know how much 701 00:33:02.640 --> 00:33:05.920 it was, so did little math. It's twelve point five 702 00:33:06.079 --> 00:33:08.720 square miles, you know, so something about three and a 703 00:33:08.759 --> 00:33:11.039 half miles on a side, like a square that big. 704 00:33:11.440 --> 00:33:14.480 Twenty five chimpanzees are living in that big or small 705 00:33:14.920 --> 00:33:17.119 of an area, which I think is a big takeaway 706 00:33:17.119 --> 00:33:19.720 as well, because you think with that limited of a range, 707 00:33:19.839 --> 00:33:21.680 people would be seeing these things more often. 708 00:33:21.759 --> 00:33:23.839 Right Yeah, I think the bush meat hunters is the 709 00:33:23.839 --> 00:33:26.839 biggest problem for those guys there, because that's a smaller 710 00:33:27.000 --> 00:33:28.039 to be a bush meat hunter. 711 00:33:28.559 --> 00:33:30.680 Oh yeah, in twenty five you know, twenty five animals 712 00:33:30.680 --> 00:33:33.200 wouldn't get you very far if that's what you lived on, 713 00:33:34.079 --> 00:33:37.359 right yeah, But pretty cool, Pretty cool, And you know, 714 00:33:38.480 --> 00:33:40.279 a lot of the comment in this article is about 715 00:33:40.279 --> 00:33:43.799 how the habitat is just really damaged in a lot 716 00:33:43.839 --> 00:33:47.240 of ways. Here's a quote. The forest was badly degraded, 717 00:33:47.240 --> 00:33:49.480 and the chimps were mostly found along the forest by 718 00:33:49.480 --> 00:33:51.640 the river, which makes a lot of sense because that's 719 00:33:51.640 --> 00:33:53.680 where the richest habitat is going to be. That's where 720 00:33:53.680 --> 00:33:55.480 most of the food is going to be. Food, water cover, 721 00:33:55.599 --> 00:33:58.440 that's what all the animals need. But even then, these 722 00:33:58.440 --> 00:34:00.480 things were not seen very often, and a lot of 723 00:34:00.519 --> 00:34:02.759 the people who lived there didn't even think there were 724 00:34:02.880 --> 00:34:05.720 any in there. And now that's all changed with a 725 00:34:05.720 --> 00:34:10.159 couple of good photographs. And what could that mean for sasquatch? 726 00:34:10.679 --> 00:34:13.000 Kind of the same thing, I think, kind of the 727 00:34:13.000 --> 00:34:19.280 same thing. If Warehouser shared a picture that they got, 728 00:34:19.440 --> 00:34:22.239 or somebody like you or me, or somebody got a 729 00:34:22.320 --> 00:34:26.880 game camera picture across the road from Warehouser Land, maybe 730 00:34:26.880 --> 00:34:30.039 that would change something. It would certainly not make Warehouser 731 00:34:30.119 --> 00:34:32.400 very happy, I'm sure, because they don't want to change anything. Warehouser, 732 00:34:32.480 --> 00:34:34.480 of course, is a big logging company out here in 733 00:34:34.480 --> 00:34:37.280 the Pacific Northwest. I don't know if there are. 734 00:34:37.199 --> 00:34:39.400 The nationwide matt you have them in the South. I'm 735 00:34:39.440 --> 00:34:41.760 not certain if Warehouser is in the Southeast. I mean, 736 00:34:41.760 --> 00:34:43.440 I've seen that name a lot, but there's other big 737 00:34:43.480 --> 00:34:45.840 timber companies like you know, obviously in Georgia. You've got 738 00:34:45.880 --> 00:34:48.519 a lot of Georgia Pacific land and then ray and 739 00:34:48.599 --> 00:34:49.920 Eer is another big one. 740 00:34:50.280 --> 00:34:53.519 But you know, I've seen Warehouser a lot, but I 741 00:34:53.519 --> 00:34:56.079 couldn't tell you from memory, like which states I've seen 742 00:34:56.119 --> 00:34:57.880 that and if it was just in the Northwest or not. 743 00:34:58.480 --> 00:34:59.800 Yeah, I kind of have to wonder, like if there 744 00:34:59.800 --> 00:35:02.480 were a couple there were a couple really good pieces 745 00:35:02.480 --> 00:35:06.400 of footage or pictures or something, and people, even if 746 00:35:06.440 --> 00:35:10.960 it wasn't a proven species yet sasquatches weren't exactly academically accepted. 747 00:35:11.320 --> 00:35:15.280 What that might do to the land use folks, you know, 748 00:35:15.400 --> 00:35:18.280 would they change their ways at all? Because that's one 749 00:35:18.320 --> 00:35:21.039 of my great hopes about the discovery of the sasquatch, 750 00:35:21.159 --> 00:35:25.320 the academic acceptance, the recognition of the sasquatch, is that 751 00:35:25.400 --> 00:35:29.960 it's ironically it would leave humans with an opportunity to 752 00:35:30.039 --> 00:35:32.840 leave a smaller footprint on the environment. I like to 753 00:35:32.840 --> 00:35:34.679 play on words. I like the idea and I also 754 00:35:34.920 --> 00:35:37.079 like the outcome if that's true. But I don't know, 755 00:35:37.119 --> 00:35:40.360 if you know, our profit driven society would do that. 756 00:35:40.400 --> 00:35:40.840 I don't know. 757 00:35:41.360 --> 00:35:43.960 Yeah, I was trying to see and here if they specified, 758 00:35:43.960 --> 00:35:46.840 like how many cameras were used in the study, you know, 759 00:35:46.920 --> 00:35:49.280 the distribution of those cameras, because there's certainly lessons to 760 00:35:49.320 --> 00:35:50.960 be learned here. I mean, we'd be so lucky as 761 00:35:51.000 --> 00:35:53.079 to be able to focus on an area of that 762 00:35:53.119 --> 00:35:55.960 size that had as many as twenty five individuals in it. 763 00:35:56.360 --> 00:35:58.840 I think twelve square miles eight thousand acres might be 764 00:35:58.920 --> 00:36:03.119 like one quarter of one individual's range, you know, at 765 00:36:03.199 --> 00:36:05.400 least in certain forests in North America. So it's still 766 00:36:05.440 --> 00:36:08.239 a difficult proposition. But it would be interesting to know 767 00:36:08.360 --> 00:36:11.559 how many cameras they use, like and of how many cameras, 768 00:36:11.920 --> 00:36:15.320 how many captured this individual or individuals, how long the 769 00:36:15.400 --> 00:36:17.880 cameras were deployed before they got results. I think there'd 770 00:36:17.880 --> 00:36:19.320 probably be a lot to learn from that. I just 771 00:36:19.320 --> 00:36:20.920 don't see that in this particular article. 772 00:36:21.320 --> 00:36:23.320 Yeah, that would be a useful data, that's for sure, 773 00:36:23.320 --> 00:36:25.599 to kind of compare notes there. Yeah, because I don't, 774 00:36:25.679 --> 00:36:28.840 I mean, I'm I personally don't really I'm not seeing 775 00:36:28.840 --> 00:36:32.679 that sasquatch habit like a range is really really big, 776 00:36:33.000 --> 00:36:37.719 you know, at least for the female young pairs. And 777 00:36:37.719 --> 00:36:39.559 and again I don't have a lot of data. I've 778 00:36:39.559 --> 00:36:42.800 got three areas and I've barely scratched the surface of 779 00:36:42.800 --> 00:36:45.280 either one. But you know, I think eight miles on 780 00:36:45.360 --> 00:36:47.760 the side, so sixty five square miles or something like that, 781 00:36:47.880 --> 00:36:50.760 or sixty four square miles or maybe less, maybe more. 782 00:36:50.920 --> 00:36:53.880 One hundred square miles is probably reasonable for a little 783 00:36:53.880 --> 00:36:56.000 family group. I don't really know. I don't really know, 784 00:36:56.280 --> 00:36:58.719 but it would be interesting to compare notes like that. 785 00:36:59.440 --> 00:37:02.440 Absolutely, no, it was a fascinating article though. It was 786 00:37:02.519 --> 00:37:04.559 very cool to see that. I think you had sent 787 00:37:04.599 --> 00:37:06.400 that one in, but you both might have. There's a 788 00:37:06.440 --> 00:37:08.079 lot of times when you will both send in an 789 00:37:08.159 --> 00:37:10.239 article that you stumble across, and so I just you know, 790 00:37:10.559 --> 00:37:13.440 when i'm compiling them, grab one of the links, because 791 00:37:13.440 --> 00:37:14.960 every once in a while there will be a duplicate. 792 00:37:15.000 --> 00:37:17.960 It might be two different media outlets covering the same 793 00:37:18.039 --> 00:37:20.199 finding or the same news item or something like that. 794 00:37:20.239 --> 00:37:23.239 But it was interesting. I think it'd be a lot 795 00:37:23.280 --> 00:37:26.119 to learn from that. But I'm always interested in that 796 00:37:26.159 --> 00:37:28.440 technical side, like what kind of cameras were they using, 797 00:37:28.480 --> 00:37:30.400 how many? How well hidden were they? Were they just 798 00:37:30.440 --> 00:37:33.679 strapped the trees, they use other methods of hiding them? 799 00:37:33.719 --> 00:37:35.679 Were they out there for days or weeks or months 800 00:37:35.719 --> 00:37:37.559 before they captured these images, you know. 801 00:37:38.119 --> 00:37:40.320 You know when I was talking to years ago, I 802 00:37:40.400 --> 00:37:44.400 did I did Lauren Coleman's conference, you know, the his 803 00:37:44.559 --> 00:37:47.880 museum thing out there in the east, the northeast somewhere, 804 00:37:48.119 --> 00:37:50.880 and doctor Annaacaris was on the gig with us, and 805 00:37:50.920 --> 00:37:52.360 so I got to know her a little bit, and 806 00:37:52.519 --> 00:37:54.239 she had a lot of early interesting things to say, 807 00:37:54.239 --> 00:37:56.480 of course, but one of the things that she mentioned 808 00:37:56.559 --> 00:37:58.599 is that well, whatever you guys are doing, it's not working, 809 00:37:59.119 --> 00:38:01.360 so try other things. And some of the things one 810 00:38:01.400 --> 00:38:03.079 of the things that I remember she said was like 811 00:38:03.559 --> 00:38:07.159 she literally said, throw a rock and wherever it lands, 812 00:38:07.199 --> 00:38:09.880 put a camera there. It's like wow really, so yeah, yeah, 813 00:38:09.920 --> 00:38:12.159 just it's a way to do random sampling in a way, 814 00:38:12.199 --> 00:38:15.119 So do that. It's like, no, kidding, unbelievable. Yeah. So 815 00:38:15.199 --> 00:38:16.719 I'd like to love to have a chance to pick 816 00:38:16.760 --> 00:38:19.119 her brain again, since she has so much field time 817 00:38:19.599 --> 00:38:23.280 in Sumatra studying that other little thing that she says, 818 00:38:23.280 --> 00:38:27.119 he's ad nocturnal primate that she's studying out there. So yeah, anyway, 819 00:38:27.360 --> 00:38:29.840 a lot of different ways to approach the game camera thing. 820 00:38:29.880 --> 00:38:32.079 It'd be really interesting to find out what these folks 821 00:38:32.119 --> 00:38:32.760 were doing. 822 00:38:33.239 --> 00:38:35.760 When I spoke with Gareth Patterson the first time that 823 00:38:35.800 --> 00:38:38.320 I interviewed him. He made it really because he made 824 00:38:38.320 --> 00:38:40.360 an observation in the book that I brought up that 825 00:38:40.400 --> 00:38:43.159 I wanted to dive into, and it was really interesting. 826 00:38:43.599 --> 00:38:46.760 His takeaway was that basically, you know, as someone who's 827 00:38:46.800 --> 00:38:49.920 pursued animals in the wild, especially like rare, elusive animals, 828 00:38:50.000 --> 00:38:54.320 he said, sometimes I think that our presuppositions, whether conscious 829 00:38:54.400 --> 00:38:58.519 or unconscious, or explicit or implicit, are actually taking us 830 00:38:58.559 --> 00:39:02.079 further away from where they're most likely to be encountered 831 00:39:02.079 --> 00:39:03.800 than we think. And he had said, like when he 832 00:39:03.840 --> 00:39:06.960 first started pursuing the elephants there and the Nisne forests, 833 00:39:07.400 --> 00:39:09.480 you know, he would find tracks and he would find dung, 834 00:39:10.159 --> 00:39:13.320 and you know, he was constantly revisiting these places, but 835 00:39:13.360 --> 00:39:15.679 he couldn't he couldn't have a sighting. He was trying 836 00:39:15.679 --> 00:39:17.719 to lay eyes on him. I think maybe once or 837 00:39:17.719 --> 00:39:19.840 twice he had caught, you know, a glimpse of like 838 00:39:19.880 --> 00:39:22.440 a patch of gray skin through the brush as one 839 00:39:22.840 --> 00:39:25.320 got away from him. And then he just said, you know, 840 00:39:25.360 --> 00:39:28.280 one day, randomly, his girlfriend and him were going to 841 00:39:28.320 --> 00:39:30.400 go walk the dog, and she was like, why don't 842 00:39:30.400 --> 00:39:32.199 we just go walk them up in the forest instead 843 00:39:32.199 --> 00:39:34.519 of you know, around the neighborhood or whatever the case was. 844 00:39:35.039 --> 00:39:36.639 And so they drove up there and got out. We're 845 00:39:36.679 --> 00:39:38.920 walking the dog down the road at time that he 846 00:39:39.039 --> 00:39:41.039 wouldn't usually be out there and in a place he 847 00:39:41.039 --> 00:39:43.880 wouldn't usually go looking, and he watched a mother and 848 00:39:43.920 --> 00:39:46.599 a calf. They watched it through binoculars out in the 849 00:39:46.599 --> 00:39:49.000 open for like an hour. And he had said, you know, 850 00:39:49.039 --> 00:39:51.559 I was looking for elephants when I had the old 851 00:39:51.599 --> 00:39:53.679 tongue siding. And when I started looking for the old tongue, 852 00:39:53.679 --> 00:39:55.800 I started seeing the leopards. And then I'd start looking 853 00:39:55.840 --> 00:39:58.320 for the leopards and I'd run into the elephants. And 854 00:39:58.440 --> 00:40:01.159 so there is that sense of like you can't find 855 00:40:01.199 --> 00:40:03.440 something when you're looking for it. But you know, he 856 00:40:03.480 --> 00:40:06.760 didn't have that sort of like supernatural metaphysical take on 857 00:40:06.800 --> 00:40:08.639 it as much as he said, you know, sometimes I 858 00:40:08.679 --> 00:40:11.159 just think that we make all these decisions based on 859 00:40:11.320 --> 00:40:14.239 our assumptions and they're just wrong. And you know, if 860 00:40:14.280 --> 00:40:17.800 you if you practice something that's more random, your odds 861 00:40:17.840 --> 00:40:21.280 actually go up. Like instead of planning for days and weeks, 862 00:40:21.280 --> 00:40:22.960 like I'm going to go to this spot and stake 863 00:40:23.000 --> 00:40:26.000 out this area and this that, So there could be 864 00:40:26.000 --> 00:40:28.599 something to that with camera placement or who knows what 865 00:40:28.639 --> 00:40:29.159 else too. 866 00:40:29.840 --> 00:40:31.599 I think it's an interesting I think that's a really 867 00:40:31.719 --> 00:40:35.920 good take on things, and it kind of mirrors the 868 00:40:36.039 --> 00:40:41.239 experience of long term witnesses, you know, the people who 869 00:40:41.280 --> 00:40:43.639 live out in the woods and occasionally have sasquatches around. 870 00:40:43.800 --> 00:40:45.800 It's when they break their own habits that they actually 871 00:40:45.800 --> 00:40:46.480 see these things. 872 00:40:46.800 --> 00:40:46.960 You know. 873 00:40:47.000 --> 00:40:50.639 I was having a conversation with with someone who listens 874 00:40:50.679 --> 00:40:53.440 to the podcast about a good ways to do it, 875 00:40:53.440 --> 00:40:56.199 and this person was kept suggesting go to the same place, 876 00:40:56.280 --> 00:40:59.760 the same time and whatever, every single every single week, 877 00:41:00.159 --> 00:41:02.719 the same things every single week, and that way it 878 00:41:02.719 --> 00:41:06.360 adds like a baseline, a scientific rigidity, I guess, you know, 879 00:41:06.480 --> 00:41:10.920 like a method that other people can follow and stuff. 880 00:41:10.920 --> 00:41:13.079 And I'm thinking that I don't know if that. I mean, yeah, yeah, 881 00:41:13.119 --> 00:41:16.199 sure that would be good. But all you're gonna what 882 00:41:16.239 --> 00:41:18.360 you're gonna get, maybe not all you're gonna get, but 883 00:41:18.360 --> 00:41:20.079 what you're mostly going to get are the animals who 884 00:41:20.119 --> 00:41:23.320 have their habits that happen to the coincide with yours, 885 00:41:23.800 --> 00:41:26.679 and certainly sasquatches have these habits, but I'm not so 886 00:41:26.719 --> 00:41:32.360 sure they're as predictable as mine, you know, So I 887 00:41:32.400 --> 00:41:35.639 don't know. I think that the best Bigfoot stuff comes 888 00:41:35.719 --> 00:41:39.119 from being at the wrong place when nobody expected it, 889 00:41:39.840 --> 00:41:42.559 you know. I really think that, so, yeah, because I 890 00:41:42.559 --> 00:41:44.840 mean after going to the spot now for four years 891 00:41:44.920 --> 00:41:47.400 or something, there's not a lot of patterns developing. 892 00:41:47.760 --> 00:41:51.320 Well, it's just like Paul Freeman with he saw that 893 00:41:51.360 --> 00:41:53.480 one and filled that one because he went there in 894 00:41:53.519 --> 00:41:55.840 the morning, because he went out of his he wasn't 895 00:41:55.840 --> 00:41:58.199 on his normal pattern. He went like an off time. 896 00:41:58.639 --> 00:42:01.280 Yeah, he went later. He went flowers later than normal 897 00:42:01.840 --> 00:42:05.360 on that particular day, and maybe the sasquatches were getting 898 00:42:05.400 --> 00:42:06.480 used to it. I don't know. I don't know. It's 899 00:42:06.480 --> 00:42:09.679 hard to say. I do think that randomness and luck 900 00:42:10.840 --> 00:42:14.519 are something that really come into play in Bigfoot, at 901 00:42:14.599 --> 00:42:18.880 least for sure. That's just that's my feeling on it 902 00:42:18.920 --> 00:42:22.440 at least. But again, data would be nice, but there's 903 00:42:22.440 --> 00:42:25.480 not enough data to really compare much with right now. 904 00:42:25.519 --> 00:42:27.639 So I just try once a week. I don't always 905 00:42:27.679 --> 00:42:29.079 go on the same day, and I don't even go 906 00:42:29.119 --> 00:42:31.119 to I try to go to the same two places 907 00:42:31.119 --> 00:42:33.199 every single week, and then if I have time I 908 00:42:33.239 --> 00:42:35.000 go somewhere else too, or if I go back for 909 00:42:35.039 --> 00:42:37.239 a second day, I go somewhere else. That sort of 910 00:42:37.239 --> 00:42:40.000 thing that's been helping a little bit, but again not 911 00:42:40.079 --> 00:42:41.559 as much as I'd like. I haven't put my eyes 912 00:42:41.599 --> 00:42:46.159 on one yet, So we'll see. Stay tuned for more 913 00:42:46.239 --> 00:42:49.440 Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and Bogo. We'll be right back. 914 00:42:49.480 --> 00:42:50.440 After these messages. 915 00:42:56.440 --> 00:42:59.159 We all say this one from Nature dot com. I'm 916 00:42:59.480 --> 00:43:02.719 home or just adapted to step desert climate extremes one 917 00:43:02.719 --> 00:43:07.400 million years ago? About how they they assumed that they were, 918 00:43:07.679 --> 00:43:12.639 you know, in really narrow specific spots that you know, 919 00:43:12.719 --> 00:43:16.519 like like a little ecological niche that they didn't habit, 920 00:43:16.599 --> 00:43:19.719 but they were much more like the almost they thought, like, 921 00:43:19.719 --> 00:43:21.480 we knew homebos savings went all over the world, but 922 00:43:21.519 --> 00:43:24.760 we didn't know that Homo erectus was able to adapt 923 00:43:24.760 --> 00:43:27.239 to different extremes of climate as much as as much 924 00:43:27.280 --> 00:43:29.840 as they were. They don't know from this this paper 925 00:43:29.880 --> 00:43:30.719 they're talking about. 926 00:43:31.159 --> 00:43:32.880 Yeah, of course, when you look at the article, the 927 00:43:32.920 --> 00:43:35.159 places that they lived make a lot of sense because 928 00:43:35.159 --> 00:43:37.000 that would be the places where the most food is 929 00:43:37.039 --> 00:43:40.039 and the most variety, like the fluvial landscapes where the 930 00:43:40.679 --> 00:43:42.400 you know, the rivers are flowing out of the mountains 931 00:43:42.480 --> 00:43:46.159 or whatever into the desert the environment. Actually, I learned 932 00:43:46.239 --> 00:43:49.119 what fluvial stuff was when I visited Death Valley, because 933 00:43:49.119 --> 00:43:52.159 that's where you can see that kind of thing. It's 934 00:43:52.159 --> 00:43:54.960 basically a river coming out of the high lands and 935 00:43:55.000 --> 00:43:59.360 then spreading out widely like a fan across the flattered desert, 936 00:43:59.400 --> 00:44:03.800 usually desert like environments. That's what fluvial landscapes are. And 937 00:44:03.840 --> 00:44:05.840 of course that's that's where the water is. That's where 938 00:44:06.039 --> 00:44:07.920 flooding is going to be. So it's gonna be a 939 00:44:08.159 --> 00:44:10.559 lot of interesting to be washing down from the woods, 940 00:44:10.960 --> 00:44:13.480 from the hills. There's that's where a lot of the 941 00:44:13.519 --> 00:44:15.719 animals are going to be hanging out. And and at 942 00:44:15.800 --> 00:44:17.559 least and I remember in Death Valley, I went to 943 00:44:17.559 --> 00:44:20.440 the wonderful museum they have there. That's where most of 944 00:44:20.199 --> 00:44:23.679 the human artifacts also came from, which makes a lot 945 00:44:23.679 --> 00:44:27.519 of sense because Homo erectus almost sapiens. They're gonna there's 946 00:44:27.559 --> 00:44:29.920 a lot of overlapping niche there. There's a lot of 947 00:44:30.000 --> 00:44:36.199 overlapping needs and just preferences really, so, uh, the fact 948 00:44:36.239 --> 00:44:39.280 that Homo erectus is doing this, it just again hats 949 00:44:39.280 --> 00:44:42.840 off to Homo erectus because they are they were. I 950 00:44:42.880 --> 00:44:44.400 think that they're kind of the champions. 951 00:44:44.400 --> 00:44:44.559 Man. 952 00:44:44.599 --> 00:44:47.039 They are the as far as I know at least, 953 00:44:47.079 --> 00:44:48.920 I could be incorrect, and if I am, please tell me. 954 00:44:49.239 --> 00:44:52.119 But I think that they're the probably the most successful 955 00:44:52.280 --> 00:44:55.880 hominin species. I mean, they they they were around for 956 00:44:56.000 --> 00:44:59.320 a long long time, way longer than we are, you know. 957 00:44:59.400 --> 00:45:01.280 I mean, because we've been around for about three hundred 958 00:45:01.280 --> 00:45:04.480 thousand years I think is the number that the people 959 00:45:04.519 --> 00:45:06.360 are thinking at this point, and that might change and 960 00:45:06.519 --> 00:45:09.000 we might have been around longer. We'll see about three 961 00:45:09.039 --> 00:45:11.559 hundred thousand years for Homo sapiens. But I mean Homo 962 00:45:11.559 --> 00:45:14.480 erectus was around for millions, right, like at least a 963 00:45:14.519 --> 00:45:15.039 million or. 964 00:45:14.960 --> 00:45:17.440 Two two million years there you go. 965 00:45:17.800 --> 00:45:22.239 Yeah, so that's that's that's like seven times longer than 966 00:45:22.280 --> 00:45:22.960 we've been around. 967 00:45:23.519 --> 00:45:27.000 Yeah, two million years, that's that's that's incredibly long. I mean, 968 00:45:28.480 --> 00:45:30.199 we're not going to I doubt we're going to reach 969 00:45:30.239 --> 00:45:30.800 that record. 970 00:45:31.440 --> 00:45:34.039 Yeah, yeah, I don't think so either. Yeah, but again 971 00:45:34.239 --> 00:45:37.920 it goes back to adaptability. These things were smart enough 972 00:45:37.920 --> 00:45:39.840 to adapt to their environment. Of course, they had tools, 973 00:45:39.840 --> 00:45:41.519 they had fire, they had all that sort of stuff. 974 00:45:41.679 --> 00:45:45.000 But they were adaptable to the changing environments. You know, 975 00:45:45.039 --> 00:45:48.719 there was a climate change during that time that affected them. 976 00:45:49.079 --> 00:45:52.760 They adapted to different biomes in different source of habitats 977 00:45:52.760 --> 00:45:56.599 and different food resources, and they spread out all throughout Asia, 978 00:45:58.000 --> 00:46:02.480 in Africa and Asia, but they were very successful. I'm 979 00:46:02.559 --> 00:46:04.119 kind of surprised they didn't make it to North America 980 00:46:04.119 --> 00:46:05.719 at some point. I guess maybe the land Bridge wasn't 981 00:46:05.719 --> 00:46:07.960 around when they're when they're in their heyday. I don't 982 00:46:07.960 --> 00:46:12.920 really know. But really astonishing the species in many many ways. 983 00:46:13.039 --> 00:46:15.159 And remember this is one of my favorites, just because 984 00:46:15.400 --> 00:46:18.800 the type specimen, the holotype, the first one ever discovered 985 00:46:18.800 --> 00:46:21.480 that told us that these things existed at all, came 986 00:46:21.480 --> 00:46:24.280 from Southeast Asia. But yet we found out later that 987 00:46:24.280 --> 00:46:27.519 they're older versions in Africa. So it really really neat 988 00:46:27.559 --> 00:46:29.679 species to study and we can learn a lot from. 989 00:46:29.960 --> 00:46:34.400 So they weren't specialized. I don't think they Probably groups 990 00:46:34.440 --> 00:46:37.760 of them were, like cultures of them were, but they weren't. 991 00:46:37.880 --> 00:46:40.559 They clearly as a species itself, they didn't. It didn't 992 00:46:40.639 --> 00:46:43.480 rely on one thing like pandas rely on bamboo or 993 00:46:43.480 --> 00:46:46.199 something like that. They didn't rely on one thing which 994 00:46:46.360 --> 00:46:49.840 enabled them to be so successful and spread over such 995 00:46:49.880 --> 00:46:54.039 a huge area. And I would argue that sasquatches and 996 00:46:54.119 --> 00:46:57.599 their ilk are the same way. They're smart enough, they're 997 00:46:57.920 --> 00:47:01.840 to get outside their their niche niches. They're not dependent 998 00:47:01.880 --> 00:47:05.159 on one particular kind of food or plant that if 999 00:47:05.159 --> 00:47:07.960 that food or plant went extinct or couldn't find it, 1000 00:47:07.960 --> 00:47:12.880 they'd all die. Sasquatches liked home like homeorect this have 1001 00:47:13.000 --> 00:47:16.400 ecological flexibility essentially, is what it comes down to. And 1002 00:47:16.440 --> 00:47:20.000 that's what allowed them, allows them to be so successful. 1003 00:47:20.239 --> 00:47:23.639 And whether the sasquat or the Yawi or the yarin 1004 00:47:23.760 --> 00:47:25.920 in China or anywhere else in the world, you know, 1005 00:47:25.960 --> 00:47:28.159 that kind of thing, if those are sasquatches or not, 1006 00:47:28.480 --> 00:47:33.239 it shows that hominins are smart enough not to be paint, 1007 00:47:33.360 --> 00:47:35.960 not to paint themselves in an ecological corner. You know. 1008 00:47:36.480 --> 00:47:39.320 It's a very good at niche switching. Yeah. 1009 00:47:39.559 --> 00:47:43.400 Yeah, Well, you gotta wonder if if like some other hominins, 1010 00:47:43.440 --> 00:47:45.199 you know, and what we what little we know about 1011 00:47:45.199 --> 00:47:49.639 them when we're looking at the you know, what trace 1012 00:47:49.679 --> 00:47:52.400 evidence we have these other hominins. Maybe it's like you know, 1013 00:47:52.519 --> 00:47:56.000 toothwear or tools that are found in association with them. 1014 00:47:56.199 --> 00:47:58.679 You got to wonder if this specialization that might be 1015 00:47:59.440 --> 00:48:04.119 perceived by we humans looking at whatever little evidence we 1016 00:48:04.199 --> 00:48:07.880 have right now, if actually the specialization just this is 1017 00:48:07.920 --> 00:48:12.920 more of an incomplete look at the archaeological evidence than 1018 00:48:13.000 --> 00:48:17.400 true ecological limits. I suspect that Hominin's, being as smart 1019 00:48:17.440 --> 00:48:22.239 as we are, probably were much more flexible I think 1020 00:48:22.840 --> 00:48:26.679 than many maybe current day paleoanthropologists give them a credit for. 1021 00:48:28.119 --> 00:48:32.360 And the ones that were not flexible had the shortest 1022 00:48:32.400 --> 00:48:36.840 evolutionary existence before their particular branch, you know, bit the dust. 1023 00:48:37.480 --> 00:48:41.199 That's the advantage of generalists is, you know, generalized omnivores, 1024 00:48:41.239 --> 00:48:44.199 which at least with Gigantipithecus, we know that they had 1025 00:48:44.199 --> 00:48:47.960 a very broad, diverse diet, even though they weren't necessarily omnivorous, 1026 00:48:48.079 --> 00:48:50.119 or at least we don't have the evidence of omnivary, 1027 00:48:50.159 --> 00:48:54.599 but within like an herbivorous diet, very very broad, massive 1028 00:48:54.679 --> 00:48:58.000 array of food stuff. So they certainly weren't the bamboo 1029 00:48:58.039 --> 00:49:00.760 specialists that they were once thought to be. That's the 1030 00:49:00.800 --> 00:49:03.719 advantage that generalists like that have is that you know, 1031 00:49:04.000 --> 00:49:06.800 they have the ability to occupy multiple different environments and 1032 00:49:06.840 --> 00:49:10.639 do adapt and to be flexible, not only have dietary flexibility, 1033 00:49:10.679 --> 00:49:13.880 but to also be able to inhabit these different environments. 1034 00:49:14.440 --> 00:49:16.800 So it was fascinating to read this particular article about 1035 00:49:16.800 --> 00:49:19.920 Homo erectus for sure, and think about what clearly has 1036 00:49:20.000 --> 00:49:23.440 to be the most flexible species that's ever existed, being 1037 00:49:23.599 --> 00:49:27.880 Homo sapiens and all the niche switching that we do constantly, 1038 00:49:28.000 --> 00:49:31.280 not only across evolutionary time, but in modern day as well. 1039 00:49:31.400 --> 00:49:33.840 So I think there are a lot of implications for 1040 00:49:33.920 --> 00:49:36.800 the sasquatch and other mystery apes like you mentioned. 1041 00:49:37.159 --> 00:49:39.320 Well, yeah, and you know, it makes me wonder since 1042 00:49:39.320 --> 00:49:43.679 home Erectus was so amazingly successful, I've heard that they 1043 00:49:43.679 --> 00:49:46.480 are around very very recently. I think that most of 1044 00:49:46.519 --> 00:49:48.800 the most of the stuff you're going to find online 1045 00:49:48.800 --> 00:49:51.119 indicates they went I don't even I don't know when 1046 00:49:51.119 --> 00:49:51.840 they went extinct. 1047 00:49:52.079 --> 00:49:54.480 They said one hundred and twenty thousand years ago. 1048 00:49:54.519 --> 00:49:58.199 It's pretty recent, man. And certainly if that's if that 1049 00:49:58.320 --> 00:50:02.119 number is what is generally thought to be true, that 1050 00:50:02.239 --> 00:50:05.079 certainly wasn't the last home erectus. You got to wonder 1051 00:50:05.119 --> 00:50:08.039 if any of these mystery apes around the world, you know, 1052 00:50:08.119 --> 00:50:11.920 these sasquatch like critters and various corners of the globe, 1053 00:50:12.239 --> 00:50:15.559 if any of them are relic homo erectus in some 1054 00:50:15.599 --> 00:50:18.000 sort of way, I mean, Neanderthals and Dennis Opens, those 1055 00:50:18.079 --> 00:50:20.119 might be the almisty or who knows what's going on 1056 00:50:20.159 --> 00:50:22.960 over there, right, But maybe they're homo erectus. I mean, 1057 00:50:23.239 --> 00:50:25.519 you just don't know. Because these things are around for 1058 00:50:25.599 --> 00:50:31.239 a long long time. What could cause something that's so 1059 00:50:31.360 --> 00:50:34.199 adaptable and so smart and all that to go extinct? 1060 00:50:34.519 --> 00:50:37.639 But then again, you know, like they're not apparently these 1061 00:50:37.800 --> 00:50:40.000 whatever these things are in Eastern Europe and all that stuff, 1062 00:50:40.039 --> 00:50:42.679 they're not using fire, So it seems kind of weird 1063 00:50:42.760 --> 00:50:45.559 that they would let they would not be using fires 1064 00:50:45.760 --> 00:50:47.880 still if they were still around, and I think home 1065 00:50:47.880 --> 00:50:50.880 Erectus had fire, right, I'm pretty sure it did. Seems 1066 00:50:50.880 --> 00:50:55.119 like that's an awfully useful adaptation to just get rid of. 1067 00:50:55.559 --> 00:50:57.679 If you're on the run, though, if you're on the lamb, 1068 00:50:57.840 --> 00:51:01.920 like you know, like an escape beer, you know, prisoner war, whatever, 1069 00:51:02.320 --> 00:51:04.280 you don't light fires because i'd say, you get found. 1070 00:51:04.880 --> 00:51:07.280 Yeah, yeah, maybe it's a conscious decision. But or they 1071 00:51:07.480 --> 00:51:09.760 and they just lost the technology, is what you're suggesting, 1072 00:51:09.800 --> 00:51:12.239 because of their clandestine lifestyle. 1073 00:51:12.800 --> 00:51:14.800 Yeah, I think I think that that could have that 1074 00:51:14.840 --> 00:51:17.599 could account for if that's if these things are then 1075 00:51:17.679 --> 00:51:20.079 like if they do try to be something that we 1076 00:51:20.159 --> 00:51:23.119 know in the record, that fossil record that had the 1077 00:51:23.199 --> 00:51:27.320 ability to use fire, then I mean, I know of 1078 00:51:27.320 --> 00:51:30.119 people swear they still the Bigfoot still use fire, but 1079 00:51:30.280 --> 00:51:33.360 I don't think they do that's the reality at all, 1080 00:51:33.400 --> 00:51:35.599 But it could be. I mean it could have been, 1081 00:51:35.679 --> 00:51:38.440 like you know, if if every time they had a 1082 00:51:38.440 --> 00:51:42.239 fire they had guys with spears showing up, they might 1083 00:51:43.159 --> 00:51:44.000 quit doing that. 1084 00:51:44.760 --> 00:51:46.960 I guess it's true. Yeah, I did a quick search. 1085 00:51:47.199 --> 00:51:48.880 I got one hundred and eight to hundred and seventeen 1086 00:51:48.920 --> 00:51:51.760 thousand years ago for home erectus. So it's a blink 1087 00:51:51.760 --> 00:51:53.360 of an eye. Man, it's a blink of an eye. 1088 00:51:53.400 --> 00:51:55.360 And those are certainly are not the last home erectus 1089 00:51:55.440 --> 00:51:56.039 that survived. 1090 00:51:56.719 --> 00:52:01.480 So no, yeah, I was a fire one or so small. 1091 00:52:01.639 --> 00:52:04.239 How long is erectors around? For two million years? And 1092 00:52:03.960 --> 00:52:06.280 how much how much do you think you could you 1093 00:52:06.320 --> 00:52:07.840 can even fill up a bedroom with the amount of 1094 00:52:07.840 --> 00:52:09.519 bones you have of erectus I have imagine, I mean, 1095 00:52:10.239 --> 00:52:12.039 I know we have a lot of like more so 1096 00:52:12.119 --> 00:52:15.519 than I think any other ancient species of hominin. 1097 00:52:15.599 --> 00:52:18.039 But I think they have more Naliti than any of 1098 00:52:18.079 --> 00:52:20.760 the species. And that's just mostly all from the Rising 1099 00:52:20.800 --> 00:52:22.880 Star Cave because they were preserved down there. 1100 00:52:23.400 --> 00:52:25.880 So so yeah, so in two million years, we don't 1101 00:52:25.920 --> 00:52:27.920 know really that much about I mean, they got more 1102 00:52:28.159 --> 00:52:30.920 of Nalidi and that's I mean that would fill up 1103 00:52:30.920 --> 00:52:34.000 what not even not even like a closet. It would 1104 00:52:34.360 --> 00:52:36.519 take to hold like a toad probably like you know, 1105 00:52:36.559 --> 00:52:37.920 like a storage toat could hold. 1106 00:52:37.760 --> 00:52:40.519 It all, probably like a truck bed or something for Naldi. 1107 00:52:40.719 --> 00:52:43.880 Yeah, that they're around for what four hundred thousand years 1108 00:52:43.880 --> 00:52:44.440 of Nalidi. 1109 00:52:45.239 --> 00:52:46.800 I don't know how long they were around for. 1110 00:52:47.480 --> 00:52:50.039 I don't know. I think that the Nalidi isn't is 1111 00:52:50.079 --> 00:52:51.760 a Naliti just known from that one site. 1112 00:52:52.440 --> 00:52:54.960 Yes, but there's many, many individuals. 1113 00:52:55.159 --> 00:52:57.400 Well still, you got to wonder, like what what what 1114 00:52:57.480 --> 00:53:00.719 kind of forces would drive home erectos if they were 1115 00:53:00.960 --> 00:53:02.960 so darn good at doing what they do, you know. 1116 00:53:03.480 --> 00:53:06.239 Yeah, it looks like with Naliti there are one five 1117 00:53:06.320 --> 00:53:09.639 hundred and fifty bones representing seven hundred and thirty seven 1118 00:53:09.679 --> 00:53:13.800 different skeletal elements and at least fifteen different individuals, So 1119 00:53:13.840 --> 00:53:16.639 I'm trying to see what the case is with Erectus. 1120 00:53:17.199 --> 00:53:18.639 Hats off to home Erectus. 1121 00:53:19.000 --> 00:53:25.559 He's a real stand up guy, nice, excellent as a 1122 00:53:25.639 --> 00:53:28.079 dad joke Cliff could be proud of I am proud 1123 00:53:28.119 --> 00:53:28.280 of you. 1124 00:53:28.480 --> 00:53:29.119 It's my boy. 1125 00:53:29.679 --> 00:53:31.840 That's more like your dirty uncle joke. 1126 00:53:32.119 --> 00:53:33.880 Clif the dad bobo's the dirty uncle. 1127 00:53:36.840 --> 00:53:39.159 Well, there's a couple of other articles, and we did 1128 00:53:39.239 --> 00:53:42.360 get some a few additional questions from the Honorary Pigeons 1129 00:53:42.400 --> 00:53:44.400 over there on Patreon, So I don't know whenever you 1130 00:53:44.440 --> 00:53:46.840 guys feel like hopping over to that side of the 1131 00:53:46.880 --> 00:53:49.719 conversation to dig into some other things, but one of 1132 00:53:49.760 --> 00:53:53.559 which was submitted by a member, and occasionally listeners do 1133 00:53:53.599 --> 00:53:56.199 submit articles. But yeah, I would definitely encourage more of you. 1134 00:53:56.239 --> 00:53:59.440 If you come across something that you think is rather squatchy, 1135 00:53:59.440 --> 00:54:01.760 even if it's not directly squatch related, but you think 1136 00:54:01.800 --> 00:54:04.360 it's relevant, please send it in because you know, we're 1137 00:54:04.400 --> 00:54:07.559 always accumulating these, and it'd be great to see more 1138 00:54:07.559 --> 00:54:09.000 of those come in from listeners for sure. 1139 00:54:09.360 --> 00:54:10.840 Yeah, and you know what occurred to me, and it 1140 00:54:10.920 --> 00:54:12.760 says we're kind of closing down shop here and moving 1141 00:54:12.760 --> 00:54:14.880 over to the member section, and of course if you 1142 00:54:14.920 --> 00:54:16.559 want to be a member, hit that link and do 1143 00:54:16.599 --> 00:54:19.440 all that stuff, because you get these episodes with zero 1144 00:54:19.480 --> 00:54:21.719 commercials in them at all, and you also get a 1145 00:54:21.719 --> 00:54:23.960 bunch of extra stuff like pictures and links and all 1146 00:54:23.960 --> 00:54:25.760 this other stuff. You get a picture of Bobo wearing 1147 00:54:25.800 --> 00:54:28.400 sunglasses and ear like all that kind of stuff, all 1148 00:54:28.400 --> 00:54:30.280 the fun stuff that you hear is talking about. It's 1149 00:54:30.320 --> 00:54:32.559 only for the members. But you know what occurred to 1150 00:54:32.639 --> 00:54:35.400 me is we're still selling T shirts and hoodies. We 1151 00:54:35.440 --> 00:54:38.480 never talk about that. We never ever talk about that, 1152 00:54:38.639 --> 00:54:40.320 and it might be a good thing because how fun 1153 00:54:40.360 --> 00:54:43.119 is it to see these things out in public at conferences. 1154 00:54:43.639 --> 00:54:46.519 So I'd like to push that just for a second, 1155 00:54:46.559 --> 00:54:49.199 if you don't mind, go to sasquatchprints dot com and 1156 00:54:49.280 --> 00:54:51.159 hit the link that says Bigfoot and Beyond and you 1157 00:54:51.199 --> 00:54:53.920 can buy Bigfoot and Beyond like merchandise and stuff. You know. 1158 00:54:54.280 --> 00:54:56.199 I mean, it doesn't make us a lot of money 1159 00:54:56.280 --> 00:54:58.719 or anything. That's mostly fun. I think we make like 1160 00:54:58.719 --> 00:55:00.880 like two or three bucks a shirt. It's not a 1161 00:55:00.920 --> 00:55:02.639 really big money thing for us. You've really got to 1162 00:55:02.719 --> 00:55:05.960 understand that the joy of it is seeing these things 1163 00:55:05.960 --> 00:55:08.679 at conferences, and so check this out. I've got a 1164 00:55:08.719 --> 00:55:10.760 bunch of conferences coming up. I'm going to be in 1165 00:55:10.880 --> 00:55:13.719 mountain Hood here second week I think in April. I'm 1166 00:55:13.760 --> 00:55:17.760 going to be in Esta's Park in Colorado. A week 1167 00:55:17.840 --> 00:55:19.440 or two after that, I'm going to be to the 1168 00:55:19.480 --> 00:55:23.920 Ohio conference first weekend in May. I'm doing Charlie Raymond's 1169 00:55:23.920 --> 00:55:26.639 conference out in Kentucky the last weekend. I've got a 1170 00:55:26.679 --> 00:55:29.159 lot of stuff coming up. If you come to the 1171 00:55:29.199 --> 00:55:31.760 table and you're wearing a Bigfoot and Beyond shirt or 1172 00:55:31.760 --> 00:55:34.000 hoodie or something like that, I'll give you a free sticker. 1173 00:55:34.400 --> 00:55:36.119 So if you want to do that, feel free to 1174 00:55:36.119 --> 00:55:38.599 come up and say, hey, look at me. Remember you're 1175 00:55:38.599 --> 00:55:40.559 gonna give me a sticker, right, and I will. I'll 1176 00:55:40.599 --> 00:55:42.159 give you a free sticker. So come on up to 1177 00:55:42.199 --> 00:55:45.159 the table. We're in the merch, and you know, eat 1178 00:55:45.159 --> 00:55:46.840 a free sticker. I just think it's fun to see 1179 00:55:46.840 --> 00:55:48.840 these things. We'll take a picture together, we'll put on 1180 00:55:48.840 --> 00:55:51.400 the member section. It'll be fun. So go to sasquatchprints 1181 00:55:51.400 --> 00:55:53.280 dot com and get your Bigfoot Beyond merch. 1182 00:55:53.320 --> 00:55:55.199 Okay, yeah, I love seeing those. Yeah. 1183 00:55:55.199 --> 00:55:56.760 We have forgotten to mention that for a while I 1184 00:55:56.840 --> 00:55:59.039 always put the link in the show notes of every episode, 1185 00:55:59.440 --> 00:56:01.599 but I've forgotten to mention it. And then when I 1186 00:56:01.639 --> 00:56:04.960 was with you at the NABC in January, Brandon and 1187 00:56:05.039 --> 00:56:06.880 another artist friend of his were there and they were 1188 00:56:06.880 --> 00:56:10.000 designing a new shirt right then and there for one 1189 00:56:10.000 --> 00:56:12.559 of my suggestions. So hopefully that thing's ready to roll out, 1190 00:56:12.559 --> 00:56:14.960 because they had did a pretty cool design when I 1191 00:56:15.000 --> 00:56:15.360 was there. 1192 00:56:15.880 --> 00:56:17.840 Okay, well, kind can reach out to him and spur 1193 00:56:17.960 --> 00:56:19.760 him on a little bit. See what's going on with that? 1194 00:56:19.920 --> 00:56:23.159 So yeah, sasquashprints dot com. Hit that link, buy a 1195 00:56:23.159 --> 00:56:25.119 shirt if you feel like it, and come up and 1196 00:56:25.119 --> 00:56:27.559 see me. You'll get a free sticker. So that's kind 1197 00:56:27.559 --> 00:56:28.639 of fun, all. 1198 00:56:28.599 --> 00:56:33.440 Right, I guess that. Bigfoot and Beyond thanks for joining us, 1199 00:56:33.840 --> 00:56:37.280 all right, folks, Well until next week. We'll see you then, 1200 00:56:37.400 --> 00:56:44.719 But until then, y'all keep it squatchy. 1201 00:56:45.039 --> 00:56:48.360 Thanks for listening to this week's episode of Bigfoot and Beyond. 1202 00:56:48.719 --> 00:56:51.000 If you liked what you heard, please rate and review 1203 00:56:51.079 --> 00:56:54.360 us on iTunes, subscribe to Bigfoot and Beyond wherever you 1204 00:56:54.400 --> 00:56:57.679 get your podcasts, and follow us on Facebook and Instagram 1205 00:56:57.679 --> 00:57:01.239 at Bigfoot and Beyond Podcasts. You can find us on 1206 00:57:01.280 --> 00:57:04.920 Twitter at Bigfoot and Beyond. That's an N in the middle, 1207 00:57:05.320 --> 00:57:08.360 and tweet us your thoughts and questions with the hashtag 1208 00:57:08.599 --> 00:57:10.360 Bigfoot and Beyond.