Speaker 1: You're listening to KFI A M six forty on demand. Brett,
Speaker 1: Welcome to the Jesus Christ Show.
Speaker 2: Hello Jesus, how are you?
Speaker 1: I am well, Brett? How are you?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 3: I'm pretty good?
Speaker 1: Okay, good here, and you're very chipper for this time
Speaker 1: of day.
Speaker 2: Well, I work nice.
Speaker 1: Oh excellent. So you're coming, you're coming down, ending your day?
Speaker 2: Coming down? Yeah?
Speaker 1: How can I help you?
Speaker 4: All right?
Speaker 2: Well, I have a would you consider the God of
Speaker 2: the Bible good?
Speaker 1: Well? Yes, well I'm kind of partial to that. I
Speaker 1: assume you would have thought that I'd answer that it
Speaker 1: would be weird for this show. Yes.
Speaker 2: The question is when an atheist will point to something
Speaker 2: in the Bible and say that that is a sign
Speaker 2: of God's immorality, that is a sign of God being evil. Yes,
Speaker 2: then they will say that you simply cannot judge God.
Speaker 2: But by saying that God is good, you are also
Speaker 2: making a judgment absolutely.
Speaker 1: Judging absolutely, and that would be that would be a
Speaker 1: fallacy for the Christian to put themselves in that kind
Speaker 1: of argumentation. It's it's it's not the proper way to
Speaker 1: look at it.
Speaker 2: Then, how then, how can you tell that God is good?
Speaker 1: Okay? Well, there's a couple of things going on here. First, uh,
Speaker 1: When whenever you are in a situation like this, defining
Speaker 1: your terms is important. So defining what judgment is is
Speaker 1: important because there is a difference between judgment. You're the
Speaker 1: same way, Brett, You're exactly the same way. If I
Speaker 1: came up to you and I said I don't like
Speaker 1: the way you did X, Y and Z, you'd say, oh,
Speaker 1: you know what, I don't want you to judge me.
Speaker 1: But if I came up to you and said, wow,
Speaker 1: that was really great that what you did, Brett, you
Speaker 1: wouldn't go, I don't want you to judge me. So
Speaker 1: it's it's it's important to understand what judgment means in
Speaker 1: that context. When scripture talks about uh, well, scripture, when
Speaker 1: it talks about thou shalt not judge, lest ye be judged,
Speaker 1: it's talking about thinking that you're better than somebody, or
Speaker 1: being condescending in a way that you aren't looking or
Speaker 1: taking account the things that you do in life. You're
Speaker 1: merely looking outwardly constantly at what everyone else does. It's
Speaker 1: not about justice. Of course, you're to judge. Christians should judge,
Speaker 1: everyone should judge.
Speaker 2: I'm not saying that judgment is wrong. I'm saying, if
Speaker 2: you're telling the atheists that they cannot judge judge God bad,
Speaker 2: then you can also not call him good.
Speaker 1: Yes, which brings me to my second point. So that
Speaker 1: was just about defining the term about judgment what judgment is. Secondly,
Speaker 1: there's a qualifier that's missing in that statement from the
Speaker 1: Christian which is why I have a problem with it,
Speaker 1: and that is that there are certain things that you
Speaker 1: can't judge God above God. Going back to my definition
Speaker 1: about being outside of the judgment, So if you're constantly
Speaker 1: judging others and not looking at yourself, there's a problem,
Speaker 1: a problem. No, I'm saying with let's let's take it.
Speaker 1: It's not a personal thing. That we're looking at the
Speaker 1: greater theological or philosophical ramifications of that statement. So in
Speaker 1: this case, somebody is saying you can't judge God is
Speaker 1: not actually actually correct. That's that's not correct. You can't
Speaker 1: oversee judgment upon God. Man is not high enough.
Speaker 2: You can't actually enforce.
Speaker 1: That judgment exactly. So really what you're doing is you
Speaker 1: can make observations about God and you can see those
Speaker 1: things in God, but you can't judge God's decisions. So
Speaker 1: that's what the statement needs. It needs more qualifiers to
Speaker 1: understand what kind of judgment you're doing. You can't sit
Speaker 1: in judgment of God. So for God to.
Speaker 2: Actually exist, yes, then you could not. He would have
Speaker 2: all the powers, so you could not actually say. You
Speaker 2: could say that he was wrong all you wanted, but
Speaker 2: it wouldn't matter.
Speaker 1: Exactly because God, God, by definition, is a transcendent, So if.
Speaker 2: It trans in that respect, doesn't, well, that's.
Speaker 1: It's you know, a little anthropomorphic on your part if
Speaker 1: you want to apply those human attributes and you want
Speaker 1: to say, well, that seems this way to you, but
Speaker 1: really you're still have to pull it down to a
Speaker 1: human element. A mob boss is just a human who
Speaker 1: thinks he's better than a human. God is better than
Speaker 1: a human, so over you.
Speaker 2: You cannot. They are just doing whatever they feel like. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but there's no choice in the matter.
Speaker 1: No, but there's a righteousness to it. A mob boss
Speaker 1: has their own wants. Well, because God is justice. There's
Speaker 1: a difference. Now you're trying to parse the fact that
Speaker 1: there are human beings that abuse that.
Speaker 2: God is justice. I'm sorry, what makes you think that
Speaker 2: God is justice?
Speaker 1: Well, the show is that Jesus Christ show we'd come
Speaker 1: from the generic Judeo Christian priests. You got to give
Speaker 1: me that one, a little bit, pardon, you got to
Speaker 1: give me that one. I mean, the show pretty much
Speaker 1: lays it out in the in the name there, it's
Speaker 1: right there for everyone to see. I'm going to come from.
Speaker 1: I'm going to tell you that there are things not
Speaker 1: only in scripture, but outside of scripture that point to
Speaker 1: the justice and the love of God. As a matter
Speaker 1: of fact, Brett, you telling me that there are things
Speaker 1: that are good or bad in this world comes from where?
Speaker 1: Why do you judge what's good or bad? Why do
Speaker 1: you why do you say something's good or something's bad
Speaker 1: in life?
Speaker 5: For you?
Speaker 2: Things that are harmful and things that you're beneficial.
Speaker 1: No no, no, no, no, no no, that's that's hedonism. You
Speaker 1: don't believe that because they're who no, no, no.
Speaker 2: Not he not hedonism. If I slam my hand, this
Speaker 2: idea that we can only judge things wrong because there's
Speaker 2: some kind of ultimate standard we're judging against is silly. Okay,
Speaker 2: you tell me my hand in a car door that hurts, okay,
Speaker 2: But I'm not seeing some kind of ultimate standard of
Speaker 2: non hurt.
Speaker 1: Okay, So everything that hurts is bad.
Speaker 2: Depending on how depending on how it goes.
Speaker 1: Is everything is everything that causes pain bad? Is everything
Speaker 1: that causes pleasure good? Okay? So that's a that's a
Speaker 1: lousy standard. Wouldn't you say?
Speaker 2: I did not say that, sir?
Speaker 1: Okay? So is pleasure good?
Speaker 2: Pleasure can be good, It can be good.
Speaker 1: So when does pleasure become So when does pleasure become bad?
Speaker 2: When it becomes harmful to you?
Speaker 1: And what is harm there?
Speaker 2: If you just sit there having pleasure all day long?
Speaker 2: And what is harm if you just sit there with
Speaker 2: just pleasure all day long and start to ignore things
Speaker 2: that you need, start to ignore things that are more
Speaker 2: beneficial towards you?
Speaker 1: Says who says who?
Speaker 2: Well says reality says reality?
Speaker 1: And what context says who? What do you? You're you're
Speaker 1: using circular reasoning as you go back and say, well,
Speaker 1: if it's pleasure but only pleasure sometimes.
Speaker 2: Sir, if you sit there shooting up on drugs all
Speaker 2: day long, you will feel pleasure, but at the same
Speaker 2: time you're doing psysical damage to your body.
Speaker 1: What if you what if you shoot up? What if
Speaker 1: you shoot up only partial during the day, so maybe
Speaker 1: six hours.
Speaker 2: And you're still doing damage to your body. That's sort
Speaker 2: of your decision.
Speaker 1: What kind of damage. Now, if you cut open a person,
Speaker 1: does that cause damage to them?
Speaker 2: Technically yes, it depends on what your what your point is.
Speaker 1: That's That's what I'm saying, is that you keep adding
Speaker 1: a qualifier to it. So there is no standard for
Speaker 1: what is good or bad. You have to keep judging
Speaker 1: whether it's good or bad based on what you think
Speaker 1: is good or bad, or pleasurable or harmful. There is
Speaker 1: no universal what is pleasurable or harmful unless you're the
Speaker 1: one that's You kind of keep saying, well, I deem
Speaker 1: this pleasurable, I deem this harmful. But who does that society?
Speaker 2: We get together into society ourselves, gotcha.
Speaker 1: It's so it's the society that decides what's good and bad.
Speaker 2: Societies generally do yes, okay.
Speaker 1: Are there societies that do things that are bad?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 1: Okay? Then who judges that society.
Speaker 2: The people in that society.
Speaker 1: No, because they're the ones doing it bad. They didn't,
Speaker 1: you know, not see Germany didn't self regulate, okay, and
Speaker 1: that so that society, that society did not self regulate
Speaker 1: who regulated.
Speaker 2: Them, Your society of the world.
Speaker 1: I see. So as long as the world sees it
Speaker 1: as okay, then it's okay.
Speaker 2: I cannot give you an ultimate stand.
Speaker 1: No you can't. That's the point, Brett. That's what I
Speaker 1: want you to say. You're obviously not stupid, so I
Speaker 1: want you to see that all you do is push
Speaker 1: it upon another chain link, another chain link, because this
Speaker 1: infinite regression of maybe this, maybe that, and maybe this,
Speaker 1: and that's not how it works. Eventually, you have to
Speaker 1: get to a place outside of that society to make
Speaker 1: that judgment. A can in a standard measuring rod, because
Speaker 1: you can't just say an inch is an inch as
Speaker 1: an inch. Somebody has to agree on that, and it
Speaker 1: has to be outside of the inch. The measurement tool
Speaker 1: can't be the ultimate measuring tool because it's temporal. It's
Speaker 1: not it's not infinite, and that's what you're looking for.
Speaker 1: That's what you need. That is what defines it. And
Speaker 1: we could have been here all day, Brett, and you
Speaker 1: would have had to come up with one more reason.
Speaker 1: Whereas the theist doesn't. It stops at God, God alone,
Speaker 1: the transcendent lawgiver, who is always in the law Wannie,
Speaker 1: Welcome to the Jesus Christ Show.
Speaker 5: Good morning, Jesus.
Speaker 1: I'll have a question.
Speaker 5: I have a question for you.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 5: I read a book called The Appointment with You Always,
Speaker 5: and it was talking about the established and it's meant
Speaker 5: that the established the establish originally was established on the
Speaker 5: moon cycles, and that the reason that it was changed
Speaker 5: was because it commercially.
Speaker 1: Applies, because of because of what commercial it.
Speaker 5: Applies, that the merchant wanted to establish a certain.
Speaker 1: Day like this say, oh, gotcha, Okay, Well, no, that's false.
Speaker 1: Now your phone's a little muddy there, so I'm gonna
Speaker 1: put you on hold because it's kind of hard to understand,
Speaker 1: and I'm guessing that the listeners having a hard time understanding.
Speaker 1: So essentially, you're asking about the Sabbath and that the
Speaker 1: Sabbath was changed. No, the Sabbath was established in Genesis,
Speaker 1: chapter two, verse two, and it says by the seventh
Speaker 1: day God completed his work with which his hands had done,
Speaker 1: and he rested on the seventh day from all of
Speaker 1: his work which he had done. There's the first sign
Speaker 1: of the Sabbath. Sabbath is the Hebrew word shabbat, by
Speaker 1: the word for Sabbath and the Greek word sabatan. They
Speaker 1: both mean to rest from labor. That's what it means.
Speaker 1: So that's where it comes from. And you find it
Speaker 1: also in the Ten Commandments. You see it in Exodus
Speaker 1: twenty eight through. But a lot of people get the
Speaker 1: too confused between the Sabbath, which is Saturday, and they
Speaker 1: get that confused with the Christian day of rest after
Speaker 1: the Resurrection, which is Sunday. Okay, it's it's referred to
Speaker 1: as the Lord's Day. So the Sabbath is still on Saturday.
Speaker 1: The Lord's Day is on Sunday. The majority of Christians
Speaker 1: practice their faith and rest and go to church and
Speaker 1: all that on Sunday, the Lord's Day, not Sabbath. Now
Speaker 1: we're there there changes in calendars and and things like
Speaker 1: that throughout the years. Yes, but the Sabbath is still
Speaker 1: considered the last day of the week. It's not a
Speaker 1: particular uh, it's not a particular day per se. It's
Speaker 1: the last day of the week. And that's you know,
Speaker 1: that's important because people get caught up in in the
Speaker 1: Sabbath and start almost worshiping it, Like is this if
Speaker 1: the Sabbath is the thing to worship and if you
Speaker 1: remember when I was asked about the Sabbath in scripture,
Speaker 1: I said that Sabbath was made for man, not man
Speaker 1: for the Sabbath. And also look up Colossians chapter two,
Speaker 1: verse sixteen. Therefore, let no one act as your judge
Speaker 1: in regard to the food or drink, or in respect
Speaker 1: to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day.
Speaker 1: Meaning don't be judged by those that say that you
Speaker 1: have to worship this way, or you have to worship
Speaker 1: on that day, or any of those things. The important
Speaker 1: part of the Sabbath is that you stop that there's
Speaker 1: one day that you stop, you rest, you communion with God.
Speaker 1: You should be doing that throughout the week as well,
Speaker 1: but have that specific time to set that apart, to
Speaker 1: do that and make it important in your life, Lonnie,
Speaker 1: that's the key. That is what's most important. Don't get
Speaker 1: lost in just the strict tradition of things, because sometimes
Speaker 1: traditions start becoming idols. People start worshiping those traditions rather
Speaker 1: than the word of God. And really it's about you
Speaker 1: taking that time. You having the time of rest, you
Speaker 1: having time with God, and stopping from working. That's the
Speaker 1: most important thing. To have that time away from work,
Speaker 1: that downtime. Vincent, Welcome to the Jesus Christ Show.
Speaker 3: Oho, Jesus Hi Hi. My question is in regard to
Speaker 3: the whole conference of God. Okay, my banks are Christian pastors,
Speaker 3: and so I've been raised with the Christian religion my
Speaker 3: whole life. I don't necessarily agree with most applications to it.
Speaker 3: I think a lot of the teaching that you brought
Speaker 3: I agree with, but when it comes to the institution
Speaker 3: of the church itself, I have a lot of disagreements
Speaker 3: with their approach.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 3: The question that I have regarding God is if God
Speaker 3: is you see of love and forgiveness and understanding and compassion. A,
Speaker 3: why is that not reflected in the Christian religion? And
Speaker 3: b why why would there be such things as how
Speaker 3: or even sins? For that matter? If God was you
Speaker 3: know of forgiveness and understanding.
Speaker 1: Okay, Well you asked kind of four questions in there,
Speaker 1: so let's get to as many of them as we can,
Speaker 1: and keep in mind that it's very difficult. As you're
Speaker 1: a PK and PK's pastors. Kids often have a difficult
Speaker 1: time because reconciling between seeing their parents as humans, and
Speaker 1: then the words that I have to be taught as well.
Speaker 1: If you imagine Vincent, the it's been said by a
Speaker 1: chief of police that the judicial system of the United
Speaker 1: s States is perfect save for one problem, and that
Speaker 1: is that it has to be run by human beings.
Speaker 1: That is exactly the same problem with the church. You're
Speaker 1: dealing with perfection, but yet those that are preaching or
Speaker 1: teaching it are imperfect. However, your concept or your definition
Speaker 1: is what's at the root of your concern. It's how
Speaker 1: you define these things is what you have a problem with.
Speaker 1: You have love, forgiveness, Hell, it's the way you define
Speaker 1: them that causes the problem, not having them in themselves,
Speaker 1: because forgiveness is different than reconciliation, and love isn't just
Speaker 1: ignoring the stupid things people do and giving them a hug,
Speaker 1: which is what most people think when they think of love.
Speaker 1: They go, oh, love is just kind of ignoring all
Speaker 1: the bad stuff and just being nice to them. That's
Speaker 1: not love at all. And so really, your understanding of
Speaker 1: those things plays a big part. Hell, for instance, Vincent,
Speaker 1: what what kind of music do you hate that you
Speaker 1: just can't stand?
Speaker 3: I'll the country Western?
Speaker 1: Okay, you know, What the funny thing is is that
Speaker 1: I asked this question on occasion, and that's one of
Speaker 1: the top two. So let's say country western. You don't
Speaker 1: like country western, so you don't want to listen to
Speaker 1: it for a half hour, do you? You don't want
Speaker 1: to listen to it for a full day?
Speaker 4: Do you right?
Speaker 1: You wouldn't want to be forced to listen to it
Speaker 1: for a year, would you right? Okay, So if I
Speaker 1: forced you to listen to country music for an eternity,
Speaker 1: that would be hell because you don't want to it.
Speaker 1: You don't want it, you want no part of it,
Speaker 1: and therefore, why would you want to experience it forever? Heaven?
Speaker 1: All heaven is and I say all because some people
Speaker 1: like to whittle it down as if this is a negative.
Speaker 1: All heaven is communion and worship eternally with the Father.
Speaker 1: If you don't want to love Him and serve him
Speaker 1: for seventy eighty ninety measly years on earth, God will
Speaker 1: not force you to do that for eternity. So he
Speaker 1: allows you and send you to allows you to make
Speaker 1: a choice here on earth to not be with Him
Speaker 1: for eternity, and it's called hell to not be with
Speaker 1: But eternity from God. And the thing that people don't
Speaker 1: get wrap their heads around, Vincent, is that you think
Speaker 1: you don't want God. And this isn't you, particularly the
Speaker 1: Greater You think they don't want God. Yet they don't
Speaker 1: know that God even works in their life even if
Speaker 1: they reject Him. On Earth, God is still sustaining this planet.
Speaker 1: They so they are getting all the benefits of God
Speaker 1: even if they don't know it, or at least part
Speaker 1: of those benefits, and in hell they won't have any
Speaker 1: of them. It's like the petulant child going, you know what,
Speaker 1: I hate my parents. I just want to move, and
Speaker 1: then realizing now they're on the streets, there's no roof
Speaker 1: over their head, there's no one guiding them, there's no
Speaker 1: one giving them love. And now they understand the power
Speaker 1: of it, but can't go back because the decision is
Speaker 1: so respected by God that humans have the ability to
Speaker 1: make that decision, that it is a final and eternal
Speaker 1: decision at the point of death. So that's what hell
Speaker 1: is is somebody truly experiencing for eternity the eternal decision
Speaker 1: they made. That's it. It's a respect factor. It's not
Speaker 1: an unloving or an unjust God. It's a very loving
Speaker 1: and very just God who says I respect you, I
Speaker 1: love you. Love can only exist by mutual respect. Love
Speaker 1: can only exist if I give you a choice not
Speaker 1: to love, because forced love is rape. Forcing somebody to
Speaker 1: give themselves to you, to physically give themselves to you,
Speaker 1: to be a part of your life, to give what
Speaker 1: you want of a situation is wrong and it's evil,
Speaker 1: and God can't and won't do it. He allows humans
Speaker 1: to make the conscious, educated choice to reject him for
Speaker 1: all of eternity. But it's like rejecting water. When you're
Speaker 1: in a desert, you're going to know how much you
Speaker 1: need water. And all these people that you come across
Speaker 1: in life that go, oh, I don't drink water because
Speaker 1: I hate the taste, Well, your body needs it. And
Speaker 1: it's not till you really understand that you're getting water
Speaker 1: in jews, or you're getting water even in SODA's, you're
Speaker 1: getting water little bits here and there, that your body
Speaker 1: stays hydrated, that you're still getting that water, just like
Speaker 1: you're still being sustained even if you're an atheist on Earth.
Speaker 1: But when you're in Hell, it's like being in the
Speaker 1: desert without water there you realize the necessity of it
Speaker 1: in the consequence of that decision in a more real way,
Speaker 1: and that's not lacking love in any way, shape or form.
Speaker 3: Well, Jesus, I don't disagree with you on any point,
Speaker 3: especially in terms of understanding that there's no way around
Speaker 3: God's involvement on this earth and with every sentient being
Speaker 3: that inhabits this earth. But with God's design, like you said,
Speaker 3: also comes choice. And what I have a hard time
Speaker 3: understanding is that choice. You know, it's very cut and
Speaker 3: dry when it comes to biblical principles. You know, if
Speaker 3: you don't follow this, if you don't follow that, you're
Speaker 3: going to go to hell. And I don't necessarily agree
Speaker 3: with that. I think there are a lot of really
Speaker 3: really good people on this earth.
Speaker 1: Wha wha, wha wha whoa good? What does that mean?
Speaker 1: By what? By what standard? Is somebody good? By your standard?
Speaker 1: How could you even say that somebody is good vincent?
Speaker 3: By who?
Speaker 1: Is that a cultural statement that the culture says that
Speaker 1: they're good or the populace says they're good.
Speaker 3: Who This isn't a sociological viewpoint. I think that inherently.
Speaker 1: Can be good or by what standard, biblical standard, thou
Speaker 1: thou shalt not murder, thou shalt not lie, that shall
Speaker 1: not commit adultery? By what standard do you say someone's good?
Speaker 3: Hmmm, well it couldn't be only biblical, although a lot
Speaker 3: of those biblical principles are very sound. You know, of course,
Speaker 3: you shouldn't kill people, and you shouldn't.
Speaker 1: Do you think society should decide what good, what's good
Speaker 1: and what's bad?
Speaker 3: Not necessarily, because society is soluble.
Speaker 1: Yes, So where do you get the standard of good?
Speaker 1: Is that just the things that you like?
Speaker 3: No, not necessarily, because it's not even taste. I think
Speaker 3: that humans.
Speaker 1: Inherently know what's and where does that inherent knowledge come from?
Speaker 1: It's okay, so why is it? This is what gets
Speaker 1: me at Vincent. You will sit there reasonably, and I
Speaker 1: love that you're even bringing these things up and that
Speaker 1: you're questioning it. That's a good thing. Some churches may
Speaker 1: not think that, but I think that's a good thing.
Speaker 1: The problem lies in that you're picking and choosing it
Speaker 1: that The question is not how come this is the
Speaker 1: only way to be saved? The question is why is
Speaker 1: there any way to be saved? Because it's undeserving? Your
Speaker 1: Your standard of good comes from God. Period. There is
Speaker 1: not one society on the planet, not even a cannibalistic society.
Speaker 1: There is not one society that believes it's okay to murder,
Speaker 1: not one. There's not one society on this planet that
Speaker 1: believes it's okay to steal. Do you know that even
Speaker 1: a thief doesn't believe it's okay to steal. If you
Speaker 1: try and steal from them, they'll tell you that they
Speaker 1: supersede that in their own mind that it's okay for
Speaker 1: them for whatever reason, I'm poor, or the world has
Speaker 1: handed me a bad go of it, or whatever it is.
Speaker 1: They rationalize it, but no one believes it's okay. It
Speaker 1: is inherent. It's inherent in human beings. They know that
Speaker 1: these things are wrong because God placed that in their heart,
Speaker 1: that knowledge of good and evil and understanding the two,
Speaker 1: so that they could make a choice. They choose to
Speaker 1: do evil. They choose to do things that are wrong,
Speaker 1: like they choose to go to hell. If if you're
Speaker 1: in a burning building, Vincent and the fire department comes
Speaker 1: in and they cut a hole that is in the
Speaker 1: shape of a square, are you gonna argue with them
Speaker 1: that you'd rather go out a circle. That you don't
Speaker 1: think it's fair that they make you go out of
Speaker 1: a square, and that you don't want that kind of salvation.
Speaker 1: It's ridiculous. It's not a matter of people. People get
Speaker 1: bent out of shape, Vincent because they don't want to
Speaker 1: give up what they don't want to give up. They
Speaker 1: don't want to be accountable, they don't want to be
Speaker 1: held accountable, and they don't want anything in their life
Speaker 1: that is at have to, so they continue to reject God.
Speaker 1: And there are other religions out there, and there are counterfeits,
Speaker 1: and there are all these things. But this is the
Speaker 1: Jesus Christ Show, so you kind of knew what you
Speaker 1: were getting into as far as far as what side
Speaker 1: I'm going to land on. But scripture says these things
Speaker 1: not to paint you into a corner, Vincent, not to
Speaker 1: make you feel boxed in, but it gives you an out,
Speaker 1: and people don't do that. Wow, I'd really like to
Speaker 1: go out my window instead of a door, and hew
Speaker 1: come houses and structural engineering and architects design things with doors.
Speaker 1: I want to port whole on the top of the
Speaker 1: house because it's not efficient and there's a point where
Speaker 1: you have to trust that God created things because it
Speaker 1: is the best way to the best possible world, which
Speaker 1: is heaven. But earth is not the best possible world,
Speaker 1: and that the fact that there's any way to salvation
Speaker 1: is the miracle, not that it just happens to be
Speaker 1: via my death. And now you get sides and teams going, oh, well,
Speaker 1: I don't that's not what I believe, that's not what
Speaker 1: I was raised with. It doesn't matter. It's about truth.
Speaker 1: That's what should be at the center of it. Not
Speaker 1: a particular team, not Christians versus this group. Not what
Speaker 1: is the truth? And when you're led to that truth,
Speaker 1: then accept it or reject it and receive the blessings
Speaker 1: or the consequences sal Welcome to the Jesus Christ Show.
Speaker 4: Oh I'm curious as to how you can impute divinity
Speaker 4: or even reliability to a set of documents that were
Speaker 4: cobbled together centuries after they were written. Never mind the
Speaker 4: fact that they were written in some cases, in many cases,
Speaker 4: decades after the events that they describe. But I'm really
Speaker 4: troubled by the fact that they were put together. Talking
Speaker 4: about the apocrypal full books of the Bible that aren't
Speaker 4: accepted into the cannon. It seems to me that it's
Speaker 4: a hit in this kind of thing. You know, you
Speaker 4: pick one, you don't pick another, and then you and
Speaker 4: in the end say well, this is what the word
Speaker 4: of God is. I don't buy it.
Speaker 1: No, I don't suppose you do. And it's a noble question. Indeed,
Speaker 1: what I will say, sal is that you've asked more
Speaker 1: than one question. So I'll address as much of it
Speaker 1: as I can, because they're all they're all important in
Speaker 1: their own right, but they've kind of all deal with
Speaker 1: different answers. So I will say this for the sake
Speaker 1: of time. If you look at any of history, you've
Speaker 1: any work of antiquity, you've articulated the same thing. So
Speaker 1: that would you'd have to discount any work of history,
Speaker 1: because you know, even Homer's Iliad, I think there's four
Speaker 1: hundred copies, Caesar's Gaelic Wars, you've got ten copies, all
Speaker 1: written after the fact. That's the way history happens. So
Speaker 1: it's written after the fact. So in the case, so
Speaker 1: scripture is not the anomaly, it's not the standout. As
Speaker 1: a matter of fact, scripture, if you're dealing with just
Speaker 1: the New Testament alone, you have over twenty five thousand,
Speaker 1: not ten, not four hundred, twenty five thousand whole and
Speaker 1: parts of manuscripts in there, even building into their entirety,
Speaker 1: you could actually reconstruct the New Testament save for about
Speaker 1: a handful of John the Book of John by the
Speaker 1: early church father's teachings. So it doesn't stand up the
Speaker 1: same way as other works of antiquity. It stands out
Speaker 1: and compared to other works of antiquity. To compare the
Speaker 1: two is silly. When you look at history. All of
Speaker 1: History South is written after the fact. You could write
Speaker 1: something about JFK. You could write something about Martin Luther
Speaker 1: King Junior, and it still holds water. There might even
Speaker 1: be more insights that could be added to it. So
Speaker 1: I don't know that that appeal to antiquity is the
Speaker 1: proper way to look at it. I think it actually
Speaker 1: ends up being fallacious. Having said that, I think authorship
Speaker 1: can be seen in many different ways, and for the
Speaker 1: sake of time all answer one that I'm hoping that
Speaker 1: sticks with you, that is that you listen to the
Speaker 1: voice of something. Bibliographical tests are often used to decide
Speaker 1: what scripture or what book is written by whom and
Speaker 1: that's not just in scripture, that's with any work of antiquity.
Speaker 1: So in the case of scripture, you want to hear
Speaker 1: a voice. And if you listen to scripture and the
Speaker 1: things it says, it's not a book man would write.
Speaker 1: If he could. Man wouldn't write a book of rules
Speaker 1: that he doesn't want to live by at all. He
Speaker 1: would take out all the things dealing with premarital sex.
Speaker 1: He would take out all the things dealing with the
Speaker 1: things that he doesn't want to do. Why would he
Speaker 1: write the very book that he rebels against. It's not
Speaker 1: in the voice of man, it's in the voice of God.
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