1 00:00:02,200 --> 00:00:07,799 Speaker 1: This is pet Life Radio. Let's talk pets. 2 00:00:07,839 --> 00:00:12,080 Speaker 2: Welcome to Animal Rights on pet Life Radio. I'm super 3 00:00:12,080 --> 00:00:15,400 excited about the show because I've got some great professional 4 00:00:15,560 --> 00:00:19,480 certified dog trainers coming on talking about their latest book 5 00:00:19,960 --> 00:00:22,199 and the ins and outs of how do you blend 6 00:00:22,239 --> 00:00:25,920 a old dog and a new dog into one happy family. 7 00:00:26,120 --> 00:00:29,120 Of course, we're talking about professional trainers and authors Kathy 8 00:00:29,160 --> 00:00:32,159 Callahan and Helen Saint Pierre, and we're gonna be talking 9 00:00:32,200 --> 00:00:34,799 to them about their latest book, Old Dog, New Dog, 10 00:00:35,159 --> 00:00:38,799 Supporting your aging best friend and welcoming a new one. 11 00:00:39,119 --> 00:00:42,359 So super exciting, great information to have, especially for those 12 00:00:42,399 --> 00:00:46,119 of us that have gone through unfortunately animals in our 13 00:00:46,159 --> 00:00:48,439 lives that made their transition or are about to make 14 00:00:48,479 --> 00:00:51,200 their transition, but yet a new puppy comes along, which 15 00:00:51,240 --> 00:00:54,000 is a whole new ball game. So we're gonna pick 16 00:00:54,039 --> 00:00:55,840 the brains a little bit about all that find out 17 00:00:55,840 --> 00:00:58,439 about the book and we'll sort of take it from there. 18 00:00:58,640 --> 00:01:00,640 So everybody hang tight. We'll come back right for this 19 00:01:00,679 --> 00:01:04,920 commercial break. You're listening to Animal Rights on Petlife Radio. 20 00:01:07,159 --> 00:01:10,879 Speaker 3: Take a bite out of your competition. Advertise your business 21 00:01:10,920 --> 00:01:14,159 with an ad in Petlife Radio podcasts and radio shows. 22 00:01:14,439 --> 00:01:17,159 There is no other pet related media that is as 23 00:01:17,239 --> 00:01:20,280 large and reaches more pet parents and pet lovers than 24 00:01:20,359 --> 00:01:24,280 pet Life Radio with over seven million monthly listeners. 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Pa'm joining 33 00:01:58,159 --> 00:02:01,799 me now is certified professional dog trainers and family dog 34 00:02:01,959 --> 00:02:05,280 Mediators of course, authors of the latest book, Old Dog, 35 00:02:05,599 --> 00:02:08,879 New Dog, Supporting your aging best friend and Welcoming a 36 00:02:08,960 --> 00:02:09,520 new one. 37 00:02:09,759 --> 00:02:12,439 Speaker 2: Welcome to show, Kathy Callahan and Helen Saint Pierre. 38 00:02:12,960 --> 00:02:14,639 Speaker 6: Thank you. We're delighted to be here. 39 00:02:15,039 --> 00:02:17,639 Speaker 7: Yes, thank you so much. I'm really excited to chat today. 40 00:02:17,840 --> 00:02:20,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, absolutely. And I love the book and I 41 00:02:20,520 --> 00:02:22,879 love the format of the book because there is as 42 00:02:22,919 --> 00:02:25,919 I read through everything, you know, I've experienced this myself 43 00:02:25,960 --> 00:02:27,919 and trying to make these decisions on what to do 44 00:02:27,960 --> 00:02:30,080 when an animal is a dog of ours or an 45 00:02:30,080 --> 00:02:32,439 animal in our life, is getting ready to make their transition. 46 00:02:32,439 --> 00:02:34,599 They're getting a little bit older. So when you get 47 00:02:34,639 --> 00:02:36,280 the new one, how do you and then how do 48 00:02:36,280 --> 00:02:39,039 you go about doing that? And I also reflect back 49 00:02:39,039 --> 00:02:41,560 to those days where I let that gap go for 50 00:02:41,680 --> 00:02:44,719 quite a while and then decided, hey, let's get a puppy, 51 00:02:44,840 --> 00:02:50,360 and then realized, oh my god, what did I well? 52 00:02:50,400 --> 00:02:54,120 I was I thank you? So yeah, So tell us 53 00:02:54,120 --> 00:02:55,840 a little bit about the book in general and the 54 00:02:55,840 --> 00:02:58,000 concept how you came about putting it together. 55 00:02:58,319 --> 00:03:00,639 Speaker 6: So Helen and I were both present venting at a 56 00:03:00,680 --> 00:03:02,919 dog conference. Believe it or not, there are things called 57 00:03:02,960 --> 00:03:05,280 dog conferences. I did not know that till like Fers 58 00:03:05,439 --> 00:03:08,360 movie and I was presenting on puppies. She was presenting 59 00:03:08,439 --> 00:03:13,719 on oldies, and our talks melded so beautifully together. You know, 60 00:03:13,759 --> 00:03:16,199 the beginning of life, the end of life. It requires 61 00:03:16,240 --> 00:03:18,080 a lot of the same stuff from the humans and 62 00:03:18,120 --> 00:03:21,759 a lot of the same kind of attention. And we 63 00:03:22,280 --> 00:03:25,199 got together at the coffee break at that conference we 64 00:03:25,199 --> 00:03:27,400 were like, wait, hang on, we have to do a 65 00:03:27,439 --> 00:03:30,560 book together because we both often get that question that 66 00:03:30,599 --> 00:03:33,599 you were just talking about, which is your beloved old 67 00:03:33,599 --> 00:03:37,960 dog is starting to age, and it makes you think, wait, shoot, 68 00:03:38,159 --> 00:03:40,360 we'd better Is this the right time for a puppy 69 00:03:40,400 --> 00:03:44,039 because you want to soften that loss for your household, 70 00:03:44,560 --> 00:03:46,919 and you love the idea of your sweet old friend 71 00:03:47,039 --> 00:03:49,800 teaching the youngster, and it makes it sort of feel 72 00:03:49,840 --> 00:03:51,479 like it's a little bit less of a loss. So 73 00:03:52,120 --> 00:03:54,639 your impulses do do that, but is it the right thing? 74 00:03:54,719 --> 00:03:57,199 Because we have both the advice that we both get. 75 00:03:57,240 --> 00:03:59,159 So people ask us this question all the time. They 76 00:03:59,159 --> 00:04:01,319 ask me because I'm puppy person, her because she's an 77 00:04:01,360 --> 00:04:03,280 old dog person, although we both do all of it, 78 00:04:03,759 --> 00:04:07,800 and our answer is identical, which is it depends, which 79 00:04:07,840 --> 00:04:12,039 is completely unhelpful to whoever asked us that question. So 80 00:04:12,719 --> 00:04:15,479 we decided we wanted to have a resource, the kind 81 00:04:15,520 --> 00:04:17,160 of thing that we would have loved to place in 82 00:04:17,160 --> 00:04:20,839 the hands of those people asking that question, because it's complicated. 83 00:04:20,920 --> 00:04:25,560 Dogs are individuals, humans are individuals. Everybody set up as different. 84 00:04:25,920 --> 00:04:28,360 It really depends a heck of a lot on how 85 00:04:28,480 --> 00:04:30,560 is your old dog doing, what shape are they're in, 86 00:04:30,839 --> 00:04:33,600 what kind of bandwidth do you have in your household 87 00:04:33,680 --> 00:04:36,920 to manage this situation? If the puppy turns out to 88 00:04:36,920 --> 00:04:39,040 be way more than you thought, or if your old 89 00:04:39,079 --> 00:04:41,800 friend's old friends starts to decline a little bit more 90 00:04:41,800 --> 00:04:46,240 than you anticipated. So the book talks about managing this 91 00:04:46,360 --> 00:04:49,560 situation however it goes. So we hope it goes beautifully 92 00:04:49,639 --> 00:04:52,839 for you. Sometimes it's absolutely phenomenal, but we want to 93 00:04:52,839 --> 00:04:56,079 help set you up for the challenges that are going 94 00:04:56,160 --> 00:04:58,480 to arise when you do try to manage both ends 95 00:04:58,480 --> 00:04:59,720 of the spectrum at the same time. 96 00:05:00,199 --> 00:05:03,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, the challenge of it, I find not only trying 97 00:05:03,079 --> 00:05:06,879 to manage it as far as like the dogs are concerned, 98 00:05:07,160 --> 00:05:10,279 because as you mentioned it, they have their own unique personalities. 99 00:05:10,680 --> 00:05:14,399 Just because you have two of the same breed, we'll say, yeah, 100 00:05:14,439 --> 00:05:17,319 there'll be some characteristics that may be breed driven, but 101 00:05:17,439 --> 00:05:20,360 for the most part, you know, everything's their own unique personality. 102 00:05:20,800 --> 00:05:23,800 And then how do you make that tough decision Because 103 00:05:23,839 --> 00:05:27,040 if you have a dog that is elderly, you know, 104 00:05:27,120 --> 00:05:29,160 is going into the twilight of their years and maybe 105 00:05:29,160 --> 00:05:31,240 they've got some health problems and things of this sort, 106 00:05:31,560 --> 00:05:34,360 that's a full time job, full time money commitment, full 107 00:05:34,399 --> 00:05:37,720 time everything commitment. And then you bring a puppy into 108 00:05:37,720 --> 00:05:40,759 play and you have all that commitment too, that's a 109 00:05:40,759 --> 00:05:44,000 financial commitment and a time commitment, and trying to make 110 00:05:44,040 --> 00:05:47,199 that balance on Okay, what is the best thing to do? 111 00:05:47,800 --> 00:05:51,519 So how do you really I know it's each individual situation. 112 00:05:51,680 --> 00:05:54,839 Each individual person has to decide and family has to decide. 113 00:05:54,839 --> 00:05:57,720 But what are some of those key factors to help 114 00:05:57,800 --> 00:06:01,560 them make that decision? Okay, is this the right opportunity 115 00:06:02,000 --> 00:06:03,079 for our family? 116 00:06:03,560 --> 00:06:07,199 Speaker 7: There's a huge benefit for the human side versus the 117 00:06:07,319 --> 00:06:10,319 dog side per se when we're making those decisions. And 118 00:06:10,360 --> 00:06:12,600 I think that we often in our society, we don't 119 00:06:12,600 --> 00:06:15,199 talk a lot about death. We don't talk about grief 120 00:06:15,319 --> 00:06:17,279 or deal with grief until. 121 00:06:17,000 --> 00:06:17,879 Speaker 6: After the fact. 122 00:06:18,519 --> 00:06:21,560 Speaker 7: And something that's really beautiful about planning a puppy or 123 00:06:21,600 --> 00:06:24,319 getting a puppy is you kind of are, in that 124 00:06:24,399 --> 00:06:29,800 way accepting some anticipatory grief. You're recognizing that you're coming 125 00:06:29,800 --> 00:06:33,399 into a phase where your life without your current senior 126 00:06:33,439 --> 00:06:37,279 dog is getting closer than it has been before, and 127 00:06:37,360 --> 00:06:40,680 you're thinking about the next step. And so I think 128 00:06:40,720 --> 00:06:45,279 that for many people, thinking about getting another dog or 129 00:06:45,319 --> 00:06:48,480 getting another puppy isn't necessarily when we know this for 130 00:06:48,560 --> 00:06:51,560 the senior dog, but for them and so there is 131 00:06:51,600 --> 00:06:54,600 no necessarily right or wrong answer. You just have to 132 00:06:54,639 --> 00:06:57,240 say that. Look, if you have a very very old 133 00:06:57,319 --> 00:07:00,519 dog that is blind or death and can't walk well 134 00:07:00,560 --> 00:07:03,600 and is very small, and you've decided to help your 135 00:07:03,639 --> 00:07:05,639 heart with the loss of that dog in a few 136 00:07:05,639 --> 00:07:09,079 months or however long, get yourself a Labrador puppy. It's 137 00:07:09,120 --> 00:07:12,560 not that it won't work, but it's gonna look maybe 138 00:07:12,879 --> 00:07:15,360 different than if you have a more spry seeing your 139 00:07:15,399 --> 00:07:17,560 dog and you get a different type of dog that 140 00:07:17,600 --> 00:07:20,199 matches the size, if that makes sense. So there's no 141 00:07:20,839 --> 00:07:23,160 definitely this is the right thing to do, or definitely 142 00:07:23,199 --> 00:07:26,879 this is not. This is completely wrong. It's just understanding 143 00:07:26,920 --> 00:07:30,639 all those variables and looking at it from the human perspective. 144 00:07:30,959 --> 00:07:32,480 Speaker 2: I mean, I've got a good friend of mine, she's 145 00:07:32,519 --> 00:07:35,959 a Goldie lover, so all of her pups are Goldies, 146 00:07:36,439 --> 00:07:39,319 and through the years, per sort of way to move 147 00:07:39,360 --> 00:07:42,240 forward with the healing and the prepping and things of 148 00:07:42,279 --> 00:07:46,800 this sort is basically, when her oldest gets a little 149 00:07:46,800 --> 00:07:48,639 bit to that point where we think there's going to 150 00:07:48,639 --> 00:07:51,759 be a transition made somewhere in the near future, she'll 151 00:07:51,800 --> 00:07:53,959 get a new puppy. Part of it when I've asked her, 152 00:07:54,000 --> 00:07:57,240 it's been well. Part of it's the learning process, you know, 153 00:07:57,319 --> 00:07:59,560 the older one can teach the younger one. Though I've 154 00:07:59,600 --> 00:08:02,120 seen the years the older one sometimes says, get away 155 00:08:02,480 --> 00:08:05,959 too much energy. You leave me alone. Absolutely, I've earned 156 00:08:06,040 --> 00:08:09,800 my golden stripes. Absolutely leave me alone. But on the 157 00:08:09,839 --> 00:08:12,519 other hand, I agree that the when the one makes 158 00:08:12,519 --> 00:08:14,360 the transition, it's always going to be hard. You're always 159 00:08:14,360 --> 00:08:16,120 going to think about them. They're always going to be 160 00:08:16,199 --> 00:08:19,759 part of your heart connection. But the puppy at the 161 00:08:19,839 --> 00:08:22,319 very least keeps you super duper busy, so you don't 162 00:08:22,319 --> 00:08:23,600 have to think about it as much. 163 00:08:24,079 --> 00:08:26,279 Speaker 6: I think that's absolutely right. And a lot of people 164 00:08:26,319 --> 00:08:30,240 hesitate and think as they're facing that loss that they 165 00:08:30,600 --> 00:08:33,600 don't want to replace their older dog. And one of 166 00:08:33,639 --> 00:08:35,600 the things we talked about in the book is that 167 00:08:35,759 --> 00:08:38,919 is not what we're doing here. You will never replace 168 00:08:39,000 --> 00:08:42,799 that friend. All these friendships are unique, all these dogs 169 00:08:42,840 --> 00:08:46,000 are unique, and so when you're getting a new puppy, 170 00:08:46,200 --> 00:08:48,279 it is not like it's going to take the place 171 00:08:48,320 --> 00:08:51,919 of that dog. However, you do have love to give, 172 00:08:52,120 --> 00:08:55,919 and it feels terrific to have that. Yes, it's a 173 00:08:56,000 --> 00:08:59,879 distraction and it's the most adorable distraction you can possibly have. 174 00:09:00,200 --> 00:09:01,960 And as long as you kind of get your head 175 00:09:02,399 --> 00:09:04,639 in the space that you understand this is not the 176 00:09:04,679 --> 00:09:08,159 same dog. And sometimes the new puppy does bring on 177 00:09:08,240 --> 00:09:11,519 a fresh kind of last wave of grief. If you 178 00:09:11,559 --> 00:09:15,120 get the puppy after you've lost your older dog, sometimes 179 00:09:15,159 --> 00:09:17,720 it does welcoming a little bit more grief where you 180 00:09:17,799 --> 00:09:21,320 kind of finally process, oh, this is not the same dog. 181 00:09:21,440 --> 00:09:24,960 This is I really I really have lost him. However, 182 00:09:25,440 --> 00:09:29,240 we also believe that these oldies they hang around, they 183 00:09:29,240 --> 00:09:32,320 hang around in the ether and sometimes have a young 184 00:09:32,360 --> 00:09:35,159 puppy kind of bring that back to your like, wait, 185 00:09:35,320 --> 00:09:38,159 hang on a second. You just get this sense anyway, 186 00:09:38,519 --> 00:09:40,519 So I think it is it's a beautiful way to 187 00:09:40,559 --> 00:09:44,799 move forward. And as long as your expectations are this 188 00:09:44,840 --> 00:09:49,080 is a fresh, new, different, unique soul in front of me, 189 00:09:49,120 --> 00:09:50,600 and we're going to move on in a different way 190 00:09:50,639 --> 00:09:53,519 and it will bring you new lessons and new joys. 191 00:09:53,919 --> 00:09:56,639 It won't be the same, it'll be different, but it is. 192 00:09:57,080 --> 00:09:59,559 It certainly helps grief most of the time. 193 00:09:59,600 --> 00:10:03,000 Speaker 2: If you yeah, nothing's get you a puppy. So we'll 194 00:10:03,000 --> 00:10:07,240 just put it that way right there. So going back 195 00:10:07,279 --> 00:10:09,399 to the question on sort of how do you make 196 00:10:09,440 --> 00:10:11,440 those decisions? What are some of the things as an 197 00:10:11,440 --> 00:10:14,080 individual or as a family you should sit down and 198 00:10:14,120 --> 00:10:16,960 sort of consider before doing this, because because you do 199 00:10:17,000 --> 00:10:19,399 have phases, you can bring them on, you know, a 200 00:10:19,480 --> 00:10:22,799 year before and sort of learn the ropes and you know, 201 00:10:22,960 --> 00:10:25,279 get used to having. You know, if you only have 202 00:10:25,320 --> 00:10:27,440 one dog, we'll say, and I, all of a sudden 203 00:10:27,440 --> 00:10:30,600 you have two, how do you manage that? Others will 204 00:10:30,679 --> 00:10:33,639 choose to wait till you know, the grieving process is 205 00:10:33,679 --> 00:10:37,360 a little bit less tender and maybe days, weeks, months 206 00:10:37,360 --> 00:10:39,799 down the road, they'll get the puppy to sort of 207 00:10:40,159 --> 00:10:42,519 move forward on that. What are some of those questions 208 00:10:42,519 --> 00:10:44,000 some of those things you should be asking yourself for 209 00:10:44,159 --> 00:10:46,759 the family should be asking themselves on when is that 210 00:10:46,919 --> 00:10:48,080 timing just right? 211 00:10:48,440 --> 00:10:51,600 Speaker 7: I think bandwidth, how much bandwidth they have in terms 212 00:10:51,639 --> 00:10:55,080 of energy or time for both. You know, it will 213 00:10:55,159 --> 00:10:57,720 very much depend on the disease or the sickness level 214 00:10:57,840 --> 00:11:00,200 of the senior dog. Are they dealing with incomun and 215 00:11:00,240 --> 00:11:03,440 it's already with the senior dog, because if they're already 216 00:11:03,440 --> 00:11:06,559 cleaning up pee and poop for one dog and now 217 00:11:06,600 --> 00:11:09,480 we have a puppy that's also having accidents. Is that 218 00:11:09,559 --> 00:11:13,000 going to be too much, right or what happens if 219 00:11:13,279 --> 00:11:16,039 the senior dog really doesn't like the puppy at first 220 00:11:16,080 --> 00:11:18,600 and it takes some time. Are they okay living in 221 00:11:18,639 --> 00:11:21,440 a gated community for a little while and having gates 222 00:11:21,480 --> 00:11:24,600 back up and going back to like square one for 223 00:11:24,679 --> 00:11:26,759 a bit, you know, and sort of sitting down and saying, 224 00:11:26,799 --> 00:11:30,639 are we okay with this? And you know, hoping for 225 00:11:30,679 --> 00:11:32,919 the best, but let's just plan for the worst. Here's 226 00:11:32,960 --> 00:11:35,960 the worst stuff that could happen, And are we all 227 00:11:36,120 --> 00:11:39,279 okay with that? And that level of work, because as 228 00:11:39,320 --> 00:11:42,519 you said Tim earlier, it's work. Caring for a senior 229 00:11:42,559 --> 00:11:45,320 dog is a lot of work. Raising a puppy is. 230 00:11:45,240 --> 00:11:45,919 Speaker 2: A lot of work. 231 00:11:46,039 --> 00:11:48,840 Speaker 7: It's not that there is a joy in that, Obviously 232 00:11:48,879 --> 00:11:52,080 there is. Otherwise I wouldn't have a senior hospice dog sanctuary, 233 00:11:52,240 --> 00:11:55,799 Kathy wouldn't raise puppies so much. But you have to 234 00:11:55,879 --> 00:11:58,679 really be willing to be in the trenches of that 235 00:11:58,840 --> 00:12:01,399 for a little bit, and everyone in the family should 236 00:12:01,519 --> 00:12:02,240 be okay with that. 237 00:12:02,320 --> 00:12:04,720 Speaker 2: I think, yeah, I think that's a good good way 238 00:12:04,759 --> 00:12:07,120 to take a look at it and having those conversations 239 00:12:07,120 --> 00:12:09,679 and making those decisions. They're tough ones, but they can 240 00:12:09,679 --> 00:12:12,360 be exciting ones as well. And having a senior. My 241 00:12:12,440 --> 00:12:15,799 boy Kramer, he passed away in January at the age 242 00:12:15,840 --> 00:12:19,320 of twelve. He's going to be thirteen. He had prostate cancer, okay, 243 00:12:19,559 --> 00:12:23,159 and so we went through months of taking care of him. 244 00:12:23,559 --> 00:12:27,200 Those final weeks, it was up every hour upon the 245 00:12:27,279 --> 00:12:30,720 hour to let him out and so he could go potty, 246 00:12:31,440 --> 00:12:35,200 take his little man pants off. We'll call yeah, let 247 00:12:35,279 --> 00:12:38,559 him have some freedom to feel good about himself. But 248 00:12:38,600 --> 00:12:40,440 you know, I was literally up every hour on the 249 00:12:40,480 --> 00:12:42,720 hour to let him out. Now yet, and we have 250 00:12:43,200 --> 00:12:46,440 another Schnauzer who is thirteen, going to be thirteenth to 251 00:12:46,559 --> 00:12:49,840 end of the month, and she's doing fantastic challenge. There 252 00:12:50,000 --> 00:12:52,679 is there's no way I would could introduce a new 253 00:12:52,720 --> 00:12:56,919 puppy into this household because her energy level is at max. 254 00:12:57,240 --> 00:12:59,399 And the things we weren't able to do with our 255 00:12:59,440 --> 00:13:03,440 boy crame we're at these latter times of his life, 256 00:13:03,639 --> 00:13:07,360 we're now able to do with Dusty because Dusty is 257 00:13:08,039 --> 00:13:10,799 the boss of the house and she is full of 258 00:13:10,960 --> 00:13:13,840 energy and she's like, Okay, now we can go do 259 00:13:13,960 --> 00:13:16,159 things that we weren't able to do. We can't, you know, 260 00:13:16,759 --> 00:13:19,960 demanding park time in addition to our big backyard fence, 261 00:13:20,000 --> 00:13:23,679 backyard time, you know, demanding certain things to happen, or 262 00:13:23,720 --> 00:13:26,440 she's not settled because these are things that we weren't 263 00:13:26,480 --> 00:13:29,559 able to do or we used to do before Ant Kramer, 264 00:13:29,679 --> 00:13:33,399 you know, was unable to do them. So for our family, 265 00:13:33,440 --> 00:13:35,919 trying to make those decisions, you know, it's a tough 266 00:13:35,919 --> 00:13:38,240 one because we've always had dogs, We've always had animals 267 00:13:38,240 --> 00:13:41,039 in our life. But we find great joy in taking 268 00:13:41,080 --> 00:13:44,639 care of just one right now who's very demanding, compared 269 00:13:44,679 --> 00:13:46,480 to trying to go out and get it, get another 270 00:13:46,559 --> 00:13:48,000 puppy and go through that again. 271 00:13:48,080 --> 00:13:50,279 Speaker 6: That's just great because it sounds like you all feel 272 00:13:50,320 --> 00:13:52,360 exactly the same way about this, and this is the 273 00:13:52,440 --> 00:13:53,200 right route for you. 274 00:13:53,279 --> 00:13:54,360 Speaker 2: That's so great. 275 00:13:54,600 --> 00:13:57,840 Speaker 6: Another family might absolutely go the other direction with that. 276 00:13:58,080 --> 00:14:00,600 And the thing is it is something you need to 277 00:14:00,679 --> 00:14:02,840 talk about and really think. Just as you say, you know, 278 00:14:02,879 --> 00:14:04,919 you're getting the man pants off in the middle of 279 00:14:04,960 --> 00:14:07,480 the night with the old dog, when that can happen 280 00:14:07,559 --> 00:14:11,000 if you are also dealing with a puppy who needs 281 00:14:11,320 --> 00:14:13,000 also needs to wake up in the middle of the 282 00:14:13,039 --> 00:14:15,320 night and go outside. That's just a heck of a lot. 283 00:14:15,360 --> 00:14:17,879 So you just want to be aware what these stages 284 00:14:17,879 --> 00:14:20,759 are going to look like, how they can can unroll 285 00:14:20,919 --> 00:14:24,879 and talk about them and be prepared to step up. Ideally, 286 00:14:25,440 --> 00:14:28,240 it'll work great, you know, ideally when you introduce this, 287 00:14:28,360 --> 00:14:29,919 if you decide to have the two of them, they 288 00:14:30,000 --> 00:14:32,960 will curl up in the bed together and nobody you know, 289 00:14:33,000 --> 00:14:35,960 the old dog has more energy, the puppies thrilled to 290 00:14:35,960 --> 00:14:39,720 have a leader. That absolutely does happen, And we just 291 00:14:39,759 --> 00:14:42,240 want everybody to be prepared for the other end when 292 00:14:42,279 --> 00:14:44,399 it might make a lot more sense for you to, 293 00:14:44,519 --> 00:14:47,039 for example, do what you're doing and really focus on 294 00:14:47,399 --> 00:14:48,759 these years with your dog. 295 00:14:49,320 --> 00:14:51,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, yeah, I think that. You know, one of 296 00:14:52,000 --> 00:14:54,159 the things I've seen over the years with with with 297 00:14:54,279 --> 00:14:56,799 clients and people I know and people that work with 298 00:14:56,919 --> 00:14:59,960 rescue and stuff is when you bring a new one, 299 00:15:00,279 --> 00:15:02,720 let alone a puppy, a new introduce a new one 300 00:15:02,720 --> 00:15:05,840 to your family, the expectation of them knowing how to 301 00:15:05,840 --> 00:15:08,240 pick up on everything right away, you know exactly what 302 00:15:08,399 --> 00:15:10,799 to do. You know, doesn't always happen. You know, they 303 00:15:11,159 --> 00:15:13,000 don't know they're in a new place, they don't know 304 00:15:13,039 --> 00:15:15,759 the rules of the house. They don't know even if 305 00:15:15,759 --> 00:15:18,360 they're in a gated community. I love that, Helen. I 306 00:15:18,399 --> 00:15:22,360 will regress back. We have the metal metal gates in 307 00:15:22,480 --> 00:15:24,679 every room of our house that you have the push 308 00:15:24,720 --> 00:15:28,240 plate and that pops open. Those work so fantastic that 309 00:15:28,320 --> 00:15:30,240 even for the short period of time when we didn't 310 00:15:30,279 --> 00:15:32,799 have a dog, we kept them. They're in place now, 311 00:15:32,799 --> 00:15:35,639 they're in every room. Our dogs never go into those 312 00:15:35,720 --> 00:15:38,440 rooms to cause any mischief or anything, but they're wonderful 313 00:15:38,440 --> 00:15:40,000 to have. So we yeah, we definitely live in. 314 00:15:39,960 --> 00:15:42,240 Speaker 7: A gated gap and they make them look so nice. 315 00:15:42,279 --> 00:15:42,480 Speaker 1: Now. 316 00:15:42,600 --> 00:15:44,600 Speaker 7: I mean, that's the thing that I have these conversations 317 00:15:44,600 --> 00:15:46,720 with people because a lot of people have, especially if 318 00:15:46,759 --> 00:15:49,200 they've got an older dog that's like fifteen or sixteen, 319 00:15:49,480 --> 00:15:51,000 and they're going to get a puppy, and they and 320 00:15:51,039 --> 00:15:53,159 I talk about gates. They have the idea of these. 321 00:15:53,279 --> 00:15:56,399 Remember the older compression gates were the only ones, or 322 00:15:56,440 --> 00:15:59,000 those white ones that clanked around, and I'm like, no, no, no, 323 00:15:59,000 --> 00:16:02,519 no no. Nowadays you can go to any store and you 324 00:16:02,559 --> 00:16:06,639 will find like beautiful gates that match or decor that 325 00:16:06,720 --> 00:16:10,240 are very aesthetically pleasing that once they're in you don't 326 00:16:10,279 --> 00:16:13,120 really care that they stay there. It doesn't. It just 327 00:16:13,519 --> 00:16:16,399 so the options have changed. And then those people that 328 00:16:16,480 --> 00:16:18,679 had dogs fifteen years ago that now are getting a 329 00:16:18,720 --> 00:16:21,080 puppy are like, oh my god, they didn't have this 330 00:16:21,120 --> 00:16:23,639 stuff even back then. I'm like, exactly, so it's a 331 00:16:23,679 --> 00:16:26,679 lot prettier, good look a lot prettier than it used to. 332 00:16:27,159 --> 00:16:30,000 Speaker 6: YEA, absolutely right, And it is our number one tip 333 00:16:30,240 --> 00:16:32,639 in the book. When you introduce a puppy into a 334 00:16:32,679 --> 00:16:36,039 house with another dog, is that separation. You need to 335 00:16:36,120 --> 00:16:38,679 have those gates because the big thing is you need 336 00:16:38,720 --> 00:16:42,039 to protect the other dog from puppy energy. Puppies are 337 00:16:42,279 --> 00:16:45,679 the cutest thing on the planet. They are also unbelievably rude. 338 00:16:45,799 --> 00:16:48,600 They don't know anything, they don't have any manners, they 339 00:16:48,639 --> 00:16:51,240 haven't learned this stuff. So when they come in, they 340 00:16:51,320 --> 00:16:54,639 are going to be jumping up and biting, wrestling, and 341 00:16:54,679 --> 00:16:57,600 they want to do it twenty four to seven, and 342 00:16:57,639 --> 00:16:59,480 they want to do it with the dog. No matter 343 00:16:59,480 --> 00:17:01,519 how cute fun you try to be as a human, 344 00:17:02,000 --> 00:17:04,480 that puppy's going to keep choosing the dog, and if 345 00:17:04,559 --> 00:17:08,119 you kind of decide to let that go, you're going 346 00:17:08,200 --> 00:17:11,160 to be hurting the potential relationship between the two of them. 347 00:17:11,279 --> 00:17:13,880 So you really want to make sure that the older 348 00:17:13,920 --> 00:17:17,680 dog can always choose whether he wants to interact with 349 00:17:17,680 --> 00:17:21,880 a puppy, and he may choose never, but we hope, 350 00:17:22,039 --> 00:17:24,079 we hope that he chooses it kind of a lot, 351 00:17:24,160 --> 00:17:26,759 and then you can manage it when you can supervise 352 00:17:26,839 --> 00:17:30,039 when they're together and helping them to create that nice relationship. 353 00:17:30,480 --> 00:17:32,440 But if you count on your older dog to be 354 00:17:32,480 --> 00:17:35,200 the babysitter of the puppy, which is a really human 355 00:17:35,400 --> 00:17:37,759 easy thing to do because we're all really busy, and 356 00:17:37,880 --> 00:17:40,440 sometimes that older dog will just keep the puppy busy 357 00:17:40,480 --> 00:17:43,279 for a while. But if you do that, you are 358 00:17:43,400 --> 00:17:46,759 risking taxing your old dog with too much of a 359 00:17:46,839 --> 00:17:49,240 job there. And it's a job they didn't ask for. 360 00:17:49,599 --> 00:17:52,440 They didn't ask for the puppy. We ask for the puppy. 361 00:17:52,559 --> 00:17:55,680 So you just want to for a little while. It's 362 00:17:55,720 --> 00:17:57,200 going to be a heck of a lot of management 363 00:17:57,240 --> 00:17:59,079 that way, to make sure that your older dog can 364 00:17:59,359 --> 00:18:01,880 always whether to interact. 365 00:18:01,599 --> 00:18:03,759 Speaker 2: Nice, nice, And I love it. I love that's the 366 00:18:03,839 --> 00:18:05,960 number one tips. So that works out real well. And 367 00:18:06,000 --> 00:18:08,920 the book's full of all kinds of insight and tips 368 00:18:08,960 --> 00:18:12,240 because obviously you guys lived it and are continuing to 369 00:18:12,279 --> 00:18:14,720 live it every single day, and I think those little 370 00:18:14,759 --> 00:18:17,319 tidbits and tips and things to look for are the 371 00:18:17,359 --> 00:18:20,039 important thing. And this is the book Old Dog, New 372 00:18:20,039 --> 00:18:22,519 Dog is definitely one that you want to keep handy, 373 00:18:22,880 --> 00:18:25,480 you know, ear Mark bend down those pages. We need 374 00:18:25,519 --> 00:18:27,799 to buy a second copy. That would be good. 375 00:18:27,960 --> 00:18:28,559 Speaker 7: We like that. 376 00:18:29,240 --> 00:18:32,200 Speaker 2: So all kinds of great information there. Well, we're going 377 00:18:32,240 --> 00:18:34,319 to come back right for this commercial break and we'll 378 00:18:34,319 --> 00:18:36,640 talk a little bit more to Kath Callahan and Helen 379 00:18:36,680 --> 00:18:39,319 Saint Peter about the book Old Dog, New Dog. Also 380 00:18:39,359 --> 00:18:41,079 want to talk to them a little bit about writing 381 00:18:41,480 --> 00:18:44,559 and joining together to write such a fabulous book. So 382 00:18:44,599 --> 00:18:47,200 everybody hang tight, we'll come back right for this commercial break. 383 00:18:47,279 --> 00:18:50,359 You're listening to Animal Rights on pet Life Radio. 384 00:18:52,599 --> 00:18:55,400 Speaker 1: Thank yous to hear more of your favorite show, cool Ful. 385 00:18:55,480 --> 00:18:58,599 Episodes of all our shows are available on demand. Go 386 00:18:58,720 --> 00:19:01,960 to Pedlife Radio, dot to fed Saur retire lineup of 387 00:19:02,079 --> 00:19:05,720 possum pet podcasts. Also dig us up and iHeart Radio 388 00:19:05,880 --> 00:19:11,559 dan iTunes. Let's Talk pasts live only from pet Life Radio. 389 00:19:12,680 --> 00:19:15,359 Let's Talk Past. Let's Pat on pet. 390 00:19:15,200 --> 00:19:21,400 Speaker 4: Life Radio Patline Radio petlfradio dot com. 391 00:19:21,559 --> 00:19:25,920 Speaker 2: Welcome back to Animal Lights on at Life Radio Tenure 392 00:19:26,039 --> 00:19:31,480 conversation with certified professional dog trainers and authors Kath Callahan 393 00:19:31,559 --> 00:19:34,359 and Helen Saint Peter and their new book Old Dog, 394 00:19:34,440 --> 00:19:37,839 New Dog, Supporting your aging best friend and welcoming a 395 00:19:37,920 --> 00:19:41,960 new one. So both of you are professionals, and you've 396 00:19:41,960 --> 00:19:44,240 been around this, and you've been down the road a 397 00:19:44,279 --> 00:19:47,519 time or two, even though you're very very young, we'll 398 00:19:47,519 --> 00:19:52,039 put it that way. When putting the book together, were 399 00:19:52,039 --> 00:19:55,160 there things that are like, Wow, I forgot that, or Wow, 400 00:19:55,240 --> 00:19:57,839 I didn't know that, or things that I was like, wow, 401 00:19:57,960 --> 00:20:00,039 I used to talk about that all the time and 402 00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:01,799 now I don't, and so I need to go back 403 00:20:01,799 --> 00:20:04,319 in my toolbox and and bring those things out. 404 00:20:04,599 --> 00:20:07,920 Speaker 6: So, I mean, we both do live this stuff all 405 00:20:07,960 --> 00:20:11,599 the time, and so this book just kind of fell 406 00:20:11,640 --> 00:20:14,839 out of our brains together. So it did not feel 407 00:20:14,839 --> 00:20:17,720 like that, you know, when I watched her presentation, I 408 00:20:17,759 --> 00:20:19,920 had heard of Helen before, I knew of her work, 409 00:20:20,000 --> 00:20:23,119 and then I met her at this conference. Watched her presentation, 410 00:20:23,319 --> 00:20:25,359 and I loved every word that came out of her 411 00:20:25,400 --> 00:20:29,799 mouth because it felt everything felt so true to me. 412 00:20:29,920 --> 00:20:33,480 We look at things the same way, and so when 413 00:20:33,559 --> 00:20:36,880 we did just even begin talking about the book, it 414 00:20:37,000 --> 00:20:39,759 was just like yep, yep, yep, yep, Like there's no 415 00:20:40,160 --> 00:20:42,519 there was I mean, honest to god, it just kind 416 00:20:42,519 --> 00:20:45,599 of came out because we also we counsel people about 417 00:20:45,599 --> 00:20:49,240 this all the time, and we give the same advice 418 00:20:49,279 --> 00:20:52,039 to people. I mean, she has much more knowledge on 419 00:20:52,799 --> 00:20:54,839 old dogs than I do, and so I wish I 420 00:20:54,880 --> 00:20:58,160 could like just transport her into my client conversations with 421 00:20:58,240 --> 00:21:01,279 old dogs because I don't have the depth of information 422 00:21:01,359 --> 00:21:03,119 on that. But now I have this book to hand people. 423 00:21:03,200 --> 00:21:05,000 So anyway, that's my perspective. 424 00:21:05,000 --> 00:21:07,519 Speaker 7: How about you, Helen, Yeah, it's I mean, and I 425 00:21:07,599 --> 00:21:09,759 said this a couple of days ago. For me with 426 00:21:10,000 --> 00:21:12,200 my work with at the hospice, because I have a 427 00:21:12,200 --> 00:21:17,079 hospice sanctuary, so I'm constantly taking in senior dogs and 428 00:21:17,240 --> 00:21:20,119 assessing quality of life and helping them pass and we 429 00:21:20,160 --> 00:21:21,799 do that out of our homes. So it's a huge 430 00:21:21,839 --> 00:21:25,359 passion project for us. But for me, the most important 431 00:21:25,359 --> 00:21:28,480 thing was the alignment that Kathy had with me on 432 00:21:29,119 --> 00:21:33,279 assessing quality of life and knowing when to make the 433 00:21:33,359 --> 00:21:36,400 right call and standing by you know, humane youth in 434 00:21:36,480 --> 00:21:39,440 Asia and knowing when to do that for our senior dogs, 435 00:21:39,759 --> 00:21:42,599 and she was right in line with me and my 436 00:21:43,039 --> 00:21:45,319 you know, the way that I approach end of life 437 00:21:45,359 --> 00:21:48,839 care for animals and especially dogs. So that was huge 438 00:21:48,839 --> 00:21:52,759 for me because this information, the work that I do 439 00:21:52,839 --> 00:21:56,680 on a daily basis is very very personal. It's difficult work, 440 00:21:57,000 --> 00:22:00,279 so writing a book with someone that might argue that 441 00:22:00,400 --> 00:22:04,960 the points that I was trying to eloquently and effectively 442 00:22:05,000 --> 00:22:07,119 put out to the public in terms of how to 443 00:22:07,160 --> 00:22:09,279 assess quality of life with your senior dog and how 444 00:22:09,319 --> 00:22:11,799 to really start having those conversations about end of life, 445 00:22:11,960 --> 00:22:14,599 it was really important that Kathy or my you know, 446 00:22:14,720 --> 00:22:17,960 at the time, anybody wanted the same things I did, 447 00:22:18,000 --> 00:22:21,720 and Kathy and I just aligned immediately on that, and 448 00:22:21,759 --> 00:22:25,119 that was everything to me. It made it very easy 449 00:22:25,160 --> 00:22:27,519 for me to write because I knew that what I 450 00:22:27,559 --> 00:22:30,799 was writing wasn't going to be overly analyzed or taken 451 00:22:30,839 --> 00:22:33,599 too sensitively, if that makes sense. It made it very 452 00:22:33,599 --> 00:22:36,720 easy for us to sort of piece this together very 453 00:22:36,880 --> 00:22:38,880 very quickly, and it was fun. 454 00:22:39,000 --> 00:22:41,240 Speaker 6: It was so we had such a great time. But 455 00:22:41,319 --> 00:22:44,920 we both do feel so strongly that people need to 456 00:22:44,920 --> 00:22:49,319 get more comfortable with death and that there's a lot 457 00:22:49,480 --> 00:22:52,720 of folks letting there. It's a beautiful thing that we 458 00:22:52,799 --> 00:22:56,079 can ease our animals suffering, and a lot of folks 459 00:22:56,079 --> 00:22:59,519 are not comfortable with that, and as a result, they 460 00:22:59,640 --> 00:23:03,160 am their animals end up suffering quite a bit at 461 00:23:03,200 --> 00:23:06,079 the end, and that doesn't really need to happen. And 462 00:23:06,160 --> 00:23:09,039 so one of our fondest hopes for this book is 463 00:23:09,079 --> 00:23:11,079 that it helps people to become a little bit more 464 00:23:11,160 --> 00:23:16,079 comfortable with the process of assessing quality of life and 465 00:23:16,240 --> 00:23:21,240 embracing the idea of euthanasia, because that whole gosh, I 466 00:23:21,279 --> 00:23:22,839 don't know, I don't feel comfortable with that. I just 467 00:23:22,880 --> 00:23:25,640 want a natural death that can result in a heck 468 00:23:25,680 --> 00:23:27,839 of a lot of suffering, and we see it because 469 00:23:27,839 --> 00:23:31,160 we see those decisions and it's just a shame. And 470 00:23:31,400 --> 00:23:35,000 what we also see is when people do finally take 471 00:23:35,039 --> 00:23:37,559 the step to go ahead, and often they'll do, you know, 472 00:23:37,839 --> 00:23:39,720 lack of love in their own home, and they find 473 00:23:39,759 --> 00:23:42,720 out what a peaceful process it is and there's no suffering, 474 00:23:42,759 --> 00:23:44,920 and it's kind of beautiful, and you have a chance 475 00:23:44,960 --> 00:23:47,319 to gather the family and plan and talk about it 476 00:23:47,359 --> 00:23:49,640 and then do a little ceremony if you want, and 477 00:23:49,680 --> 00:23:53,039 you know, once they've done that, they realize, oh, this 478 00:23:53,200 --> 00:23:56,279 really is they begin to have regret for maybe pitts 479 00:23:56,319 --> 00:23:59,119 they haven't done that for So we're hoping to ease that. 480 00:23:59,759 --> 00:24:01,880 As you know, we're hoping that people will pick up 481 00:24:01,920 --> 00:24:05,359 this book even if they're just have a senior dog 482 00:24:05,480 --> 00:24:08,480 right now and aren't quite thinking puppy. This book will 483 00:24:08,519 --> 00:24:13,400 help them to make their senior dogs last twilight better 484 00:24:13,640 --> 00:24:16,640 with simple tips, even simple stuff like, you know, have 485 00:24:16,759 --> 00:24:18,720 more rugs on the floor, they're slipping on your floor, 486 00:24:18,759 --> 00:24:21,519 A little stuff like that all the way to how 487 00:24:21,559 --> 00:24:23,000 do you decide. 488 00:24:22,599 --> 00:24:23,440 Speaker 1: If this is the day? 489 00:24:24,359 --> 00:24:24,720 Speaker 2: Anyway? 490 00:24:24,880 --> 00:24:28,799 Speaker 6: So yeah, we share that philosophy very strongly, and we're 491 00:24:28,839 --> 00:24:30,920 hoping that this book can help people become a little 492 00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:31,720 more comfortable with that. 493 00:24:31,880 --> 00:24:33,759 Speaker 2: And I think that's a big thing about it, as 494 00:24:33,799 --> 00:24:36,720 you mentioned early on, you know, talking about it. We 495 00:24:36,720 --> 00:24:38,400 don't talk about it. We don't talk about it from 496 00:24:38,440 --> 00:24:42,279 a human standpoint often, let alone with our animals. And 497 00:24:42,440 --> 00:24:45,240 animals we have such a short window and oftentimes those 498 00:24:45,279 --> 00:24:47,680 decisions have to be made. It seems like it takes 499 00:24:47,799 --> 00:24:49,960 we have this huge window to make those decisions, but 500 00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:53,119 we don't. Their lifespan is short. Too short, way too short. 501 00:24:53,400 --> 00:24:56,079 And then when they do become older or when they 502 00:24:56,079 --> 00:24:58,960 have disease within their body, then we have to make 503 00:24:59,000 --> 00:25:02,359 those decisions. And we are notorious as humans to beat 504 00:25:02,400 --> 00:25:05,440 ourselves up over everything, but it's part of that process. 505 00:25:05,480 --> 00:25:08,960 It's part of that grieving process. You know, to heal 506 00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:11,480 it your own time, but you make those decisions ahead 507 00:25:11,480 --> 00:25:14,200 of time. There's no easy answer, you know. I'm sure 508 00:25:14,480 --> 00:25:17,480 you've experienced it. I know I have. Where we've had 509 00:25:17,720 --> 00:25:21,720 in home transitions, we've had transitions at the vets office, 510 00:25:21,759 --> 00:25:24,720 we've had a transition in our arms. There's no right 511 00:25:24,799 --> 00:25:27,599 or wrong answer to it, and none of it's easy. 512 00:25:28,039 --> 00:25:29,720 But I think the tips that you put in the 513 00:25:29,720 --> 00:25:32,519 book gives a little bit more humanity to it. It 514 00:25:32,559 --> 00:25:36,519 gives the people the feeling that they can, you'll make 515 00:25:36,559 --> 00:25:39,880 those decisions and how to go about doing that, and 516 00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:41,839 makes it a little bit a little bit easier on 517 00:25:41,880 --> 00:25:44,440 the front end and hopefully makes it easier on the 518 00:25:44,559 --> 00:25:48,160 grieving process in the back end. So then the book itself, 519 00:25:48,240 --> 00:25:50,480 we write it so it's just so easy, you know, 520 00:25:50,839 --> 00:25:54,519 it was it more of Helen. You write your stuff, Kathy, 521 00:25:54,559 --> 00:25:57,200 all right, you know, all right, mind, we'll put it 522 00:25:57,240 --> 00:26:00,720 in the middle and while it's done. It took about 523 00:26:00,720 --> 00:26:02,680 a week or two to get it done and there 524 00:26:02,680 --> 00:26:03,119 it is. 525 00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:09,119 Speaker 7: Well, well was that yeah, yes, I mean Kathy and 526 00:26:09,119 --> 00:26:11,200 I sort of outlined it and said, okay, I'll write 527 00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:13,359 this bit, you write this bit. We can sort of 528 00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:16,240 put this piece together together. Then I'll do this bit, 529 00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:19,359 and then we'll just sort of formulate it like that. 530 00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:21,279 And so what we did was it was a process 531 00:26:21,279 --> 00:26:24,400 of we would have our own deadlines where she would 532 00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:26,519 send me what she had written, and I would send 533 00:26:26,559 --> 00:26:28,319 her what I had written. We would be like, okay, 534 00:26:28,640 --> 00:26:31,039 do you like this? Should I add something? And it 535 00:26:31,079 --> 00:26:34,960 was again, it was very very easy because we've our 536 00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:38,119 techniques and our understanding and our writing styles were very 537 00:26:38,240 --> 00:26:41,480 very similar. So there wasn't a whole lot. There was 538 00:26:41,519 --> 00:26:45,079 a very very little friction in anything. It was just 539 00:26:45,079 --> 00:26:46,680 sort of like what if we talk about this, where 540 00:26:46,720 --> 00:26:49,559 we didn't mention that we add that in easy but 541 00:26:49,599 --> 00:26:51,359 it did certainly wasn't a week. I think it was 542 00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:52,720 what like six months. 543 00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:54,200 Speaker 6: I think was about to say so. I think we 544 00:26:54,240 --> 00:26:58,680 started writing in January January February, and I think the 545 00:26:58,720 --> 00:27:00,880 manuscript was do at the end and to July. So 546 00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:04,119 we were basically just sending each other chapters, you know, 547 00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:07,599 marking little comments and Google docs or whatever, and then 548 00:27:07,599 --> 00:27:09,920 pulling it all together. And we do we have the 549 00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:14,480 same kind of vibe and voice, and so we're comfortable 550 00:27:14,519 --> 00:27:18,279 with each other's style of writing, and we do all 551 00:27:18,319 --> 00:27:20,519 we do recommend the same stuff all the time, you know, 552 00:27:20,839 --> 00:27:24,200 and so it was very easy to pull it together. 553 00:27:24,400 --> 00:27:25,960 Now I want to write all my books with Helen 554 00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:27,640 because now when I think about my other books more 555 00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:29,960 and't is fun. It's more fun to have Helen. 556 00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:32,640 Speaker 7: It was well more fun to have somebody that you 557 00:27:32,640 --> 00:27:33,680 could be like, is this okay? 558 00:27:33,799 --> 00:27:34,279 Speaker 2: Is that all right? 559 00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:35,720 Speaker 7: Going too far? 560 00:27:35,839 --> 00:27:36,039 Speaker 2: Here? 561 00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:38,799 Speaker 7: Where do I draw this line? And you know, Kathy 562 00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:41,240 was wonderful because we had started the process and my 563 00:27:41,319 --> 00:27:44,039 mother passed in April of last year, and Kathy had 564 00:27:44,039 --> 00:27:46,319 written to me and said, maybe we should stop, like 565 00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:48,839 it's do everything's due in July, and I was like, no, 566 00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:51,519 I have to do this for her, like I have 567 00:27:51,599 --> 00:27:54,359 to do this for mom. So I rented this little 568 00:27:54,359 --> 00:27:57,240 airbnb on the beach and I went and I just 569 00:27:57,400 --> 00:28:00,480 sat and wrote and wrote and wrote. But you know, 570 00:28:00,559 --> 00:28:03,119 having somebody that was willing to say we don't have 571 00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:05,160 to do this right now, if you don't want to 572 00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:07,160 do this. My thing is if you tell me not 573 00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:09,319 to do something or I shouldn't do something, I'm one 574 00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:11,400 hundred percent going to do it and do it ten 575 00:28:11,480 --> 00:28:14,680 times over. So Kathy was the perfect person to do 576 00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:17,119 that with, you know, because if she'd like, Helen, get 577 00:28:17,160 --> 00:28:19,119 to it. You know, you're not allowed to grieve, I 578 00:28:19,119 --> 00:28:21,640 would have been like, I'm not doing it anymore. So 579 00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:24,640 it worked out perfectly. 580 00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:26,400 Speaker 2: I love it. I love it. I talk a lot 581 00:28:26,440 --> 00:28:30,720 about animals are great at deflecting negative energy, so I 582 00:28:30,799 --> 00:28:33,039 use that terminology quite a bit. That's why you see 583 00:28:33,039 --> 00:28:36,079 a dog. If you get aggravated at the dog, they'll 584 00:28:36,079 --> 00:28:38,559 walk away from mote and then come back like everything's fine. 585 00:28:38,759 --> 00:28:41,440 But if you keep thembarding with that negative energy, then 586 00:28:41,480 --> 00:28:44,359 they absorb it and they get diseased within their themselves 587 00:28:44,359 --> 00:28:46,839 and within their bodies. So that's why I tell people that, 588 00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:49,440 you know, get rid of nigative energy words. One of 589 00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:52,359 the biggest ones is don't. And it sounds like, Helen, 590 00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:54,519 you spend a lot of time with dogs because anybody 591 00:28:54,519 --> 00:28:57,599 tells you don't, you're going to ignore that. So that's good. 592 00:28:58,119 --> 00:29:00,640 Speaker 7: I will do the complete opposite. I will do the 593 00:29:00,680 --> 00:29:01,640 complete opposite. 594 00:29:01,799 --> 00:29:03,960 Speaker 2: I love it. I love it. Well. Hopefully your husband 595 00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:05,559 get some tips out of that. I don't know. 596 00:29:07,319 --> 00:29:09,920 Speaker 7: It's been nine years and he still is like I 597 00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:10,599 don't get it. 598 00:29:11,079 --> 00:29:14,480 Speaker 2: Like, yes, dear, that's that's what I've learned after all 599 00:29:14,480 --> 00:29:17,119 these years. Yes, dear, my fault, Yes dear, that's all 600 00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:20,000 I need to there, you go, good job, good job, 601 00:29:20,200 --> 00:29:20,920 pat on the head. 602 00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:24,319 Speaker 6: The thing is, though, that that is so true that 603 00:29:24,440 --> 00:29:28,400 especially I just feel with puppies the no. I never 604 00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:33,000 say no to a puppy because they are just learning. 605 00:29:33,119 --> 00:29:36,000 It is so easy to fill their world with yes. 606 00:29:36,559 --> 00:29:39,039 It's up to us to set up the environment so 607 00:29:39,079 --> 00:29:41,359 that their world is filled with yes is and we 608 00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:44,000 don't feel that constant need to say no. But most 609 00:29:44,119 --> 00:29:47,359 people don't do it that way. And that's why puppyhood 610 00:29:47,400 --> 00:29:50,000 feels so stressful, because wherever you turn around, they're doing 611 00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:52,640 a no. They're jumping on someone, they're chewing the furniture, 612 00:29:52,680 --> 00:29:55,759 they're peeing on the rug. Because you have given those choices, 613 00:29:55,799 --> 00:29:56,920 you have made those choices. 614 00:29:58,599 --> 00:30:03,039 Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely yes. The negative energy words like no, not stop, 615 00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:07,160 don't quit, you know, getting aggravated or these things that's 616 00:30:07,160 --> 00:30:10,400 throwing negative energy out there, and animals are greater deflecting that. 617 00:30:10,799 --> 00:30:13,799 We're terrible at it as humans. We absorb that, and 618 00:30:13,839 --> 00:30:16,400 that's why it's part of our vocabulary. I always tease 619 00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:19,400 when when I'm doing a speaking and you mentioned conference 620 00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:22,119 to speaking at a conference or doing a something through 621 00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:25,960 the media, I'll tell them that. I'll ask everybody, would 622 00:30:25,960 --> 00:30:28,799 you like to have the biggest retirement fund ever? And 623 00:30:28,799 --> 00:30:30,720 they're like, I thought this was a dog talk? What 624 00:30:30,799 --> 00:30:33,119 have we done about here? And I always tell them, 625 00:30:33,119 --> 00:30:35,480 put a mason jar or a ball jar. Since I 626 00:30:35,519 --> 00:30:37,880 went to ball State, ball jar in the middle of 627 00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:40,359 your table, and every time you use a word that 628 00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:43,359 is a negative energy word, put a dollar in the 629 00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:46,480 ball jar. Because we're programmed as humans to say no, 630 00:30:46,559 --> 00:30:49,799 not stop, don't quit. You know, we're bombarded with negative 631 00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:53,039 energy and we projected out there, and our animals, like 632 00:30:53,079 --> 00:30:56,319 I said, they're great at not absorbing that. They deflect 633 00:30:56,359 --> 00:30:59,440 that off and so if we use those positive energy 634 00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:04,400 words and positive training and positive reinforcement, then they respond accordingly, 635 00:31:04,599 --> 00:31:06,559 and it's always in a positive manner. So I think 636 00:31:06,559 --> 00:31:09,200 it's very true. And as you mentioned, Kathy. With puppies 637 00:31:09,200 --> 00:31:13,039 in particular, you start early, start that framework early, fill 638 00:31:13,079 --> 00:31:16,000 them with positive energy, let them know what you need 639 00:31:16,039 --> 00:31:18,799 from them, and all of a sudden you're gonna have many, 640 00:31:18,839 --> 00:31:22,319 many years of fun with your pup until they become 641 00:31:22,359 --> 00:31:24,799 an older senior. And then you'll have even more fun 642 00:31:24,799 --> 00:31:26,680 with them because they are. Are you absorbed all that 643 00:31:26,759 --> 00:31:30,400 positive energy? So anyway, tell us a little bit about 644 00:31:30,839 --> 00:31:33,079 what's going on. How can people find out more about 645 00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:35,480 the both of you find out more about the work 646 00:31:35,519 --> 00:31:38,440 that you do. Is in most particular and most important 647 00:31:38,559 --> 00:31:40,559 is where to pick up a copy of Old Dog, 648 00:31:40,599 --> 00:31:43,880 New Dog, Supporting your aging best friend and welcoming a 649 00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:44,599 new one. 650 00:31:44,839 --> 00:31:46,559 Speaker 6: I am so glad you said the subtitle, because I 651 00:31:46,559 --> 00:31:49,000 can never remember that. I can just remember the Old Dog, 652 00:31:49,039 --> 00:31:52,359 New Dog part. So you guys can search for Old Dog, 653 00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:55,039 New Dog wherever you buy your books. If your local 654 00:31:55,079 --> 00:31:57,440 bookstore doesn't have it actually on the shelf, of course, 655 00:31:57,480 --> 00:31:59,240 you can order it through them, and you can get 656 00:31:59,279 --> 00:32:02,559 all through the big online places. You can also reach 657 00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:07,119 us on our websites. I'm at puppypicks dot com as 658 00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:09,200 me and I have two other books. I have a 659 00:32:09,359 --> 00:32:13,920 puppy guide called Welcoming your Puppy from Planet Dog and 660 00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:16,799 I have my first book was on all the rescues. 661 00:32:16,839 --> 00:32:18,960 We rescue puppies. We've had a two hundred and fifty 662 00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:20,880 come through this house. I'd like to bring in the 663 00:32:21,279 --> 00:32:24,519 mamas and they are babies, so give them a safe 664 00:32:24,599 --> 00:32:28,880 place to land. So I have a book on that too. 665 00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:31,799 So you can find all that stuff just on my 666 00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:35,920 website puppypicks dot com. I'm also on Facebook Kathy Gordcallahan, 667 00:32:36,079 --> 00:32:38,240 and I post a lot of puppy stuff so it's 668 00:32:38,279 --> 00:32:40,359 kind of a fun place to go hang out. And 669 00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:42,359 I'm on Instagram at puppy. 670 00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:44,960 Speaker 7: Picks and there's two ways to find me. If you 671 00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:46,440 want to learn more about the work that I do 672 00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:49,480 with senior and hospice dogs and animals, it's Old Dogs. 673 00:32:49,519 --> 00:32:50,079 Speaker 2: Go to Helen. 674 00:32:50,160 --> 00:32:52,480 Speaker 7: You can see old Dogs. Go to Helen on Facebook 675 00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:55,000 and at the website on old Dogs go to Helen 676 00:32:55,039 --> 00:32:57,440 you'll see our current residents. We have a memorial all 677 00:32:57,480 --> 00:33:02,839 of our farm hospice animals that we have, cat, pigs, donkeys, horses, 678 00:33:02,920 --> 00:33:04,759 you name it, all the senior animals that we get 679 00:33:04,799 --> 00:33:08,200 to us. As well as my courses on teaching quality 680 00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:11,839 of life, quality of death, how to make those decisions. 681 00:33:11,599 --> 00:33:15,599 It's for the public and also for professionals, and then 682 00:33:15,920 --> 00:33:18,440 for the book. If you're interested, you can look at 683 00:33:18,440 --> 00:33:21,200 No Monkey Business Dog Training. There's a link there in 684 00:33:21,279 --> 00:33:23,440 my website of where you can go to purchase the 685 00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:26,559 book from local places nearby. But like Kathy said, you 686 00:33:26,599 --> 00:33:28,440 can get it pretty much at any place that you 687 00:33:28,680 --> 00:33:31,039 buy your books. But on No Monkey Business Dog Training 688 00:33:31,119 --> 00:33:33,519 you'll see more links for the book and all of 689 00:33:33,559 --> 00:33:37,240 that fun stuff there as well. And like Old Dogs, 690 00:33:37,319 --> 00:33:40,319 go to Helen because then you'll see all of the stinky, bald, 691 00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:45,920 toothless well, you know, shuffling, shuffling dogs coming in and out. 692 00:33:46,440 --> 00:33:49,680 I just had a pair of senior chiualas dropped off 693 00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:52,799 at me with me surrendered yesterday and they are just 694 00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:57,319 the teeniest little spicy chiloupas. They are so frickin cute. 695 00:33:57,359 --> 00:33:59,759 But they're shuffling in and then they shuffle back out, 696 00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:01,799 all of them on there. 697 00:34:02,079 --> 00:34:04,200 Speaker 2: I love it. I love it. Well, we'll definitely post 698 00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:06,839 all that. Everybody check that out, and of course pick 699 00:34:06,880 --> 00:34:09,079 up a copy of the book Old Dog, New Dog, 700 00:34:09,199 --> 00:34:12,480 Supporting your aging best friend and welcoming a new one. 701 00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:15,599 Kathy Callahan, Helen Saint Peter, thanks for joining the show. 702 00:34:15,679 --> 00:34:19,280 Congratulations on a fantastic book. Is definitely one of those 703 00:34:19,320 --> 00:34:22,079 that everybody needs to pick up and keep on their 704 00:34:22,119 --> 00:34:25,880 shelf and don't share it with anybody. Go buy somebody else's, 705 00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:27,639 you know, buy another one this year. That's how you 706 00:34:27,719 --> 00:34:32,480 go about doing that. But congratulations, Yeah, welcome, and thanks 707 00:34:32,519 --> 00:34:34,559 so much for coming on the show. 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