Speaker 1: It's it's it's pretty natty there.
Speaker 2: There is like this weird movement to quell's free speech, uh,
Speaker 2: kind of around the world, and and there's something we
Speaker 2: should be very concerned about.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 2: You know, you have to ask, like why was the
Speaker 2: First Amendment like a high priority?
Speaker 1: It was like number one.
Speaker 2: It is because people came from countries where if you
Speaker 2: spoke freely you would be imprisoned or killed. And they
Speaker 2: were like, well, we'd like to not have that here
Speaker 2: because that was terrible. And and actually, you know, there's
Speaker 2: a lot of places in the world right now if
Speaker 2: you if you're critical of the government, you get in
Speaker 2: prisoner or killed, right, We'd like to not have that.
Speaker 2: And I mean, I suspect this is a receptive audience
Speaker 2: to that message.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 4: I think we always thought that the West was the
Speaker 4: exception to that. That we knew there were authoritary places
Speaker 4: around the world, but we thought that in the West
Speaker 4: we'd have freedom of speech. And we've seen, like you said,
Speaker 4: it seems like a global movement. In Britain, You've got
Speaker 4: teenager has been put in prison for memes.
Speaker 1: It's like you like to you like a Facebook post,
Speaker 1: throw them in prison.
Speaker 2: Yeah, people have got an actual you know, prison for
Speaker 2: for like like obscure comments on social media, not even
Speaker 2: ship posting it, like not even I'm like that truck
Speaker 2: about that.
Speaker 1: I was like, what is the massive crime that.
Speaker 4: Pavel in France? And then of course we got Brazil
Speaker 4: with Judge Voldemort. That that one seems like the one
Speaker 4: that impacts you the most. Can you what's the latest
Speaker 4: on that?
Speaker 5: Well?
Speaker 2: We, I guess we are trying to figure out is
Speaker 2: there some reasonable solution in Brazil?
Speaker 1: Uh?
Speaker 2: The you know, the concern, I mean, I want to
Speaker 2: just make sure that this is framed correctly, and uh,
Speaker 2: you know, funny means aside the the nature of the
Speaker 2: concern was that, at least at export, we had the
Speaker 2: perception that we were being asked to do things that
Speaker 2: violated Brazilian law. So obviously we cannot, as an American
Speaker 2: company impose American laws and values on other countries that
Speaker 2: you know, we wouldn't get very far if we did that.
Speaker 2: But but we do. You know, I think that if
Speaker 2: a country's law laws are a particular way and we're
Speaker 2: being asked to what we we we think we're being
Speaker 2: asked to.
Speaker 1: Break them, then and be silent about.
Speaker 2: It then obviously that is no good. So so I
Speaker 2: just want to be clear because the sometimes sometimes comes
Speaker 2: across as Elon's trying to just be a crazy whatever
Speaker 2: billionaire and demand outrageous things from other countries, and.
Speaker 1: You know, well that is true. In addition, there are other.
Speaker 2: Things uh that that I think are you know, valid,
Speaker 2: which is like we we we obviously I can't uh
Speaker 2: you know, I think any given thing that we do
Speaker 2: at ex Corp, We've got to be able to explain
Speaker 2: in the light of day and and not feel that
Speaker 2: it was dishonorable or you know, we we we did
Speaker 2: the wrong.
Speaker 1: Thing, you know.
Speaker 2: Uh so we don't we that that that that was
Speaker 2: the that's the nature of the concern. So we actually
Speaker 2: are in uh sort of discussions with the you know,
Speaker 2: judicial authorities in Brazil to try to you know, run
Speaker 2: this to ground, like uh, what's actually going on. Like
Speaker 2: if we're being asked to break the law, Brazilian law,
Speaker 2: then that's that that obviously should not be should not
Speaker 2: sit well with the resilient judiciary. And if we're not
Speaker 2: and we're mistaken, we'd like to understand how we are mistaken.
Speaker 2: I think that's a that's a pretty reasonable position.
Speaker 6: I'm a bit concerned as your friend that you're going
Speaker 6: to go to one of these countries and I'm going
Speaker 6: to wake up one day You're going to get arrested
Speaker 6: and like I'm gonna have to go bail you out
Speaker 6: or something like this is feels very acute, like yes,
Speaker 6: I mean it's not a joke now, like they're literally saying,
Speaker 6: like you know, it's not just Biden, saying like we
Speaker 6: have to look into that guy. Now it's become quite literal,
Speaker 6: like this, who is the guy who just wrote the
Speaker 6: was it the Guardian piece about like.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, there have been three articles and I
Speaker 2: think in the past three weeks Robert right, But it
Speaker 2: wasn't just him, it was like three different articles.
Speaker 7: It doesn't that's a trend.
Speaker 1: Calling for me to be imprisoned in the Guardian, you know,
Speaker 1: Guardian of what?
Speaker 2: Yeah, Guardian of I don't know, authoritarism, yeah, Guardian of
Speaker 2: the censorship.
Speaker 1: Censorship.
Speaker 6: But the premise here is that you bought this thing,
Speaker 6: this online forum, this communication platform, and you're allowing people
Speaker 6: to use it to express themselves. Therefore you have to
Speaker 6: be jailed. I don't understand the logic here. There's what
Speaker 6: do you think they're actually afraid of at this point?
Speaker 7: What's the motivation here?
Speaker 1: I mean, I think.
Speaker 2: If somebody is, if somebody is sort of trying to
Speaker 2: push a false premise on the world, then and then
Speaker 2: that that and that premise can be undermined with public dialogue,
Speaker 2: then they will be opposed to the dialogue on that.
Speaker 1: Premise because they wish the false premise to prevail.
Speaker 2: So that's I think, you know, the issue there is
Speaker 2: if they're n'tlike the truth, you know, then we want
Speaker 2: to suppress it. So now the you know, the the
Speaker 2: sort of what what we're trying to do with the
Speaker 2: X Corps is I distinguished that from my son, who's
Speaker 2: also called X. You have parental goals every time everything
Speaker 2: is just called X. Basically it's very difficult disambiguation for
Speaker 2: the Sun.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's everything.
Speaker 2: So what we're trying to do simply adhere to the
Speaker 2: you know, the law is a in a country. So
Speaker 2: so if something is illegal in the United States, or
Speaker 2: if it's illegal in you know, Europe or Brazil or
Speaker 2: wherever it might be, then then we will take it
Speaker 2: down and will suspend the account because we're not you know,
Speaker 2: there to make the laws. But if speech is not illegal,
Speaker 2: then then what are we doing? Okay, now we're injecting
Speaker 2: ourselves in as as a censor, and where does it
Speaker 2: stop and who decides so and where where does that
Speaker 2: path lead?
Speaker 1: I think it leads to a bad place.
Speaker 2: So if the people in a country want the laws
Speaker 2: to be different, they should make the laws different. But
Speaker 2: otherwise we're going to obey the law in each jurisdiction
Speaker 2: and some of the euro that's it's it's not more
Speaker 2: complicated that we're not. We're not trying to flow the law.
Speaker 2: I'm going to be clear about that. We're trying to
Speaker 2: adhere to the law, and if the law has change,
Speaker 2: we will change, and if the laws don't change, we won't.
Speaker 2: We're just literally trying to adhere to the law.
Speaker 7: Pretty straightforward.
Speaker 1: You're very straightforward.
Speaker 2: For some reason things we're not adhering to the law, well,
Speaker 2: they can file a lawsuit bingo.
Speaker 7: Also very straightforward.
Speaker 6: Yes, I mean there are European countries that don't want
Speaker 6: people to promote naxi propaganda.
Speaker 7: Yes, they have some sensitivity to it.
Speaker 1: It's it is illegal and it is illegal in those countries.
Speaker 6: In those countries, if somebody puts that up, you take
Speaker 6: it down. Yes, but they typically file something and say.
Speaker 2: Yes in some cases it is just obviously illegal, Like
Speaker 2: you don't need to file a lawsuit for you know,
Speaker 2: if something is just you know, unequivocally illegal, we can
Speaker 2: literally read the law.
Speaker 1: This spilights the law.
Speaker 2: You know, anyone can anyone can see that, like, you know,
Speaker 2: you don't need like if if somebody is stealing, you
Speaker 2: don't need let me check the law on that. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 2: they're they're stealing.
Speaker 7: We had we had J. D. Evans here this morning.
Speaker 1: He did a great job.
Speaker 8: And you know, one of the things is there's this
Speaker 8: image on X of like basically like you Bobby Trump
Speaker 8: and a JD or like the Avengers.
Speaker 7: I guess.
Speaker 8: And then there's another meme where you're in front of
Speaker 8: a desk where it says d O g E the
Speaker 8: Department of Government Efficiency.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, I pushed that one.
Speaker 2: I made it using Grock the image General, and I
Speaker 2: posted it my profile.
Speaker 7: How do you do it?
Speaker 1: Well? I mean, I think with great difficulty.
Speaker 2: But you know, look, it's been a long time since
Speaker 2: there was a serious effort to reduce the size of
Speaker 2: government and to remove absurd regulations. And you know, last
Speaker 2: time there was a really concerted effort on that front
Speaker 2: was Reagan in the early eighties. We're forty years away
Speaker 2: from a serious effort to remove, you know, regulations that
Speaker 2: don't serve the greater good and reduce the size of government.
Speaker 2: And I think it's just if we don't do that,
Speaker 2: then what's what What happening is that we get regulations
Speaker 2: and laws accumulating every year until eventually everything is illegal.
Speaker 2: And that's why we can't get major infrastructure projects done
Speaker 2: in the United States. Like if you look at the
Speaker 2: absurdity of the California High Speed Rail, I think they
Speaker 2: spent seven billion dollars and have a sixteen hundred put
Speaker 2: segment that doesn't actually have rail in it. I mean
Speaker 2: your tax dollars at work. I mean, yeah, what do
Speaker 2: we do that's an expense of sixteen hundred.
Speaker 1: Feet a concrete you know, And I mean I.
Speaker 2: Think it's like, you know, I realize sometimes I'm perhaps
Speaker 2: a little optimistic with schedules, but you know, I mean
Speaker 2: I wouldn't be doing the things I'm doing if I was,
Speaker 2: you know, not an optimist. So at the current trend,
Speaker 2: you know, California high speed rail might finish sometime next
Speaker 2: century maybe well probably not.
Speaker 7: We're just gonna have Cali quortation by that time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, the A I do everything at that point.
Speaker 2: So so so you I think you really think of
Speaker 2: you know, the United States and many countries. It's it's
Speaker 2: arguably worse than the EU as being like Gulliver tied
Speaker 2: down by a million little strings, and like any one
Speaker 2: given regulation is not is not that bad, but you've
Speaker 2: got a million of them and or millions actually and
Speaker 2: then then eventually just can't get anything done. And and
Speaker 2: this is a this is a massive tax on the
Speaker 2: on the consumer, on the people. It's just they don't
Speaker 2: they don't realize that there's this this massive tax in
Speaker 2: the form of irrational regulations. I'm gonna give you a
Speaker 2: recent example that you know is just insane, is that
Speaker 2: like SpaceX was fined by the e PA one hundred
Speaker 2: and forty thousand dollars for they claimed dumping putable water
Speaker 2: on the ground drinking water. So and we're like, uh,
Speaker 2: this is Starbase and we're like it's we're in a
Speaker 2: tropical thunderstorm region. That stuff comes from the sky all
Speaker 2: the time, and there was no actual harm done. You know,
Speaker 2: it's just water to cool the launch pad during liftoff,
Speaker 2: and there's zero harm done. And they're like they agree, yes,
Speaker 2: there's zero harm done. We're like, okay, so there's no
Speaker 2: harm done and you want to pay one hundred and
Speaker 2: forty thousands fine, It's like yes, because you didn't have
Speaker 2: a permit.
Speaker 1: Okay, we didn't know there was a perman needed or
Speaker 1: zero harm.
Speaker 2: Fresh water being on the ground in a place that
Speaker 2: where fresh water falls from the sky all the time.
Speaker 6: Got it next to the ocean, next to the ocean
Speaker 6: because there's a little bit of water there too.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean signs of the rained so much the
Speaker 2: roads are flooded. So we're like, you know, how does
Speaker 2: this make any sense?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: And then like then they were like, well, we're not
Speaker 2: going to process any more of your any more of
Speaker 2: your applications for launch for Starship launch unless you pay
Speaker 2: this one hundred and forty thousand dollars ransom dusts. They're like, okay,
Speaker 2: so we've paid one hundred and forty thousand dollars. But
Speaker 2: it was it's like this is no good. I mean,
Speaker 2: at this rate, we're never going to.
Speaker 1: Get to mars.
Speaker 6: I mean, that's the that's the confounding part here is
Speaker 6: we're acting against our own self interests. You know, when
Speaker 6: you look at we do have to make putting aside
Speaker 6: fresh water. But hey, you know there the rocket makes
Speaker 6: a lot of noise.
Speaker 7: So I'm certain there's some complaints about noise once in
Speaker 7: a while.
Speaker 6: But sometimes you want to have a party where you
Speaker 6: want to make progress and there's a little bit of noise. Therefore,
Speaker 6: you know, we trade off a little bit of noise
Speaker 6: for massive progress or even fun.
Speaker 7: Yeah, so like when did.
Speaker 6: We stop being able to make those trade offs? But
Speaker 6: talk about the difference between California and Texas where you
Speaker 6: and I now reside. Texas, you were able to build
Speaker 6: the gigafactory.
Speaker 7: I remember when you got the plot of land and then.
Speaker 6: Are it seemed like it was less than two years
Speaker 6: when you had the party to open it.
Speaker 2: From startic construction to completion was fourteen months. Fourteen fourteen months.
Speaker 6: Is there anywhere on the planet that would go faster?
Speaker 7: Is like China faster than that?
Speaker 1: China was eleven months?
Speaker 5: Got it?
Speaker 6: So Texas China eleven and fourteen months California.
Speaker 2: And just give you a sense of size. The tells
Speaker 2: a giga factory in China three times the size of
Speaker 2: the Pentagon.
Speaker 7: Which was the biggest building in America.
Speaker 1: No, there were bigger buildings, but the Pentagon is pretty
Speaker 1: big one. Yeah, where it was the big units in
Speaker 1: units of Pentagon, it's like three.
Speaker 6: Okay, three Pentagons and counting.
Speaker 1: Yeah, got it in fourteen months.
Speaker 2: The just the regulatory approvals in California would have taken
Speaker 2: two years.
Speaker 1: So that's that's the issue.
Speaker 8: Where do you think the regulation helps, Like for the
Speaker 8: people that will say we need some checks and balances,
Speaker 8: we can't have some because for every good actor like you,
Speaker 8: they'll be a bad actor. So where's that line then?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I have a sort of you know,
Speaker 2: in sort of doing a sensible derregulation and reduction in
Speaker 2: the size of gunment is just like be very public
Speaker 2: about it and say, like, which of these rules do
Speaker 2: you If the public is really excited about a rule
Speaker 2: and wants to keep it, we'll just keep it. And
Speaker 2: the thing about the rules if the rule is you know,
Speaker 2: it turns out to be a bad let's put it
Speaker 2: right back, okay, And then you know promsult it's like
Speaker 2: it's easy to add rules, but we don't actually have
Speaker 2: a process for getting rid of them. That's the issue.
Speaker 2: There's no garbage collection rules.
Speaker 1: When we were.
Speaker 6: Watching you work, David and I and Antonio in that
Speaker 6: first month at Twitter, which was all hands on deck
Speaker 6: and you were doing zero based budgeting, you really quickly
Speaker 6: got the costs under control, and then miraculously everybody said
Speaker 6: this site will go down, and you added fifty more features.
Speaker 7: So maybe explain because this is the first time.
Speaker 2: They were like so many articles like the that this
Speaker 2: is Twitter is dead forever, there's no way good possibly
Speaker 2: even continue at all.
Speaker 1: It was almost like the press you to see here's
Speaker 1: the obituary.
Speaker 3: Saying they're good byes on Twitter. Remember that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, they're all leaving and saying their good
Speaker 4: buyes because the site was gonna melt down.
Speaker 1: The yeah, totally failing and uh, all.
Speaker 6: The journalists left, Which is if you ever want to
Speaker 6: like hang out with a bunch of hall monitors, Oh
Speaker 6: my god, Threads is amazing.
Speaker 9: Every time I go over there post they're like they
Speaker 9: they're really triggered.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I mean, if you like being condemned repeatedly,
Speaker 2: then yes, you know, for the reasons that makes no sense,
Speaker 2: then threads is the way to go.
Speaker 7: It's really it's the most miserable place on earth.
Speaker 6: If Disney's the happiest, this is the anti Disney. But
Speaker 6: if we were to go into government, you went into
Speaker 6: the Department of Education or pick the department. You've worked
Speaker 6: with a lot of them. Actually, you can't go in
Speaker 6: there and see based budget. Okay, we get it.
Speaker 7: But if you.
Speaker 6: Could just pair two, three, four or five percent of
Speaker 6: those organizations, what kind of impact would that have?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I think we need to do more
Speaker 1: than that.
Speaker 6: I think ideally compounding every year two three percent a year,
Speaker 6: I mean, it would be better than what's happening now.
Speaker 1: Yeah, look, I think we've.
Speaker 2: You know, if Trump wins, and I'll say this, I
Speaker 2: suspect there are people with mixed feelings about whether that
Speaker 2: should happen. But if but we do have an opportunity
Speaker 2: to do kind of a once in a lifetime deregulation
Speaker 2: and reduction in the size of the government. Because because
Speaker 2: the thin besides the regulations, America is also going bankrupt
Speaker 2: extremely quickly, and nobody seems to everyone seems to be
Speaker 2: sort of whistling past the graveyard on this one.
Speaker 7: But they're all grabbing the silverware.
Speaker 10: Everyone's stuff in their pockets and silverware before this Titanic says.
Speaker 2: Well, you know, the the Defense Department budget is a
Speaker 2: very big budget. Okay, it's a trillion dollars a year, deity,
Speaker 2: until it's trill trillion dollars. And interest payments on the
Speaker 2: national debt just exceeded the Defense Department budget. But they're
Speaker 2: over a trillion dollars a year just in interest and rising.
Speaker 2: We're adding a trillion dollars to the net to our debt,
Speaker 2: which our you know, kids and grandkids are going to
Speaker 2: have to pay somehow, you know, every every three months,
Speaker 2: and then soon it's going to be every two months,
Speaker 2: and then every month, and then the only thing we'll
Speaker 2: be able to pay is interest. And if this is
Speaker 2: it's just you know, it's just like a person at
Speaker 2: scale that has racked up too much credit card debt.
Speaker 2: And uh, this this is not this does not have
Speaker 2: a good ending, and so we have to reduce the spending.
Speaker 10: Let me ask one question, because I've brought this up
Speaker 10: a lot, and the counter argument I hear, which I
Speaker 10: disagree with, But the counter argument I hear from a
Speaker 10: lot of politicians, is if we were to use spending
Speaker 10: because right now, if you add up federal, state, and
Speaker 10: local government spending, it's between forty and fifty percent of GDP.
Speaker 10: So nearly half of our economy is supported by government spending,
Speaker 10: and nearly half of people in the United States are
Speaker 10: dependent directly or indirectly on government checks and either through
Speaker 10: contractors that the government pays or they're employed by government entity.
Speaker 10: So if you go in and you take two hardened
Speaker 10: acts too fast, you will have significant contraction, job loss
Speaker 10: and recession. What's the balancing act? Elon? Just thinking realistically,
Speaker 10: because I'm one hundred percent on board with you, step
Speaker 10: the next set of steps. However, assume Trump wins and
Speaker 10: you become the chief doge?
Speaker 1: Uh uh g? How how like?
Speaker 7: Yeah?
Speaker 10: And I think the challenge is how quickly can we yea,
Speaker 10: how quickly can we go in? How quickly can they
Speaker 10: change and without without.
Speaker 11: That on my business card, without all the lot, without
Speaker 11: all the contraction And Tom Scott, yeah, so, so I
Speaker 11: guess how do you really address it when so much
Speaker 11: of the economy and so many people's jobs and livelihoods
Speaker 11: are dependent on government spending?
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, I do think it's it's it's sort
Speaker 2: of you know, it's a false dichotomy. It's not like
Speaker 2: no government spending is going to happen. You really have
Speaker 2: to say, like it's at the right level. And just
Speaker 2: remember that that you know, any any given person, if
Speaker 2: they are doing things in a less efficient organization versus
Speaker 2: more efficient organization, they're contribution to economy.
Speaker 1: There net output of business services will reduce.
Speaker 2: I mean you've got a couple of clear examples between
Speaker 2: East Germany and West Germany, North Korea and South Korea.
Speaker 2: I mean North Korea they're starving. South Korea. It's like amazing.
Speaker 10: It's a compounding effect of productivity games.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's night and day. Yeah.
Speaker 2: And so in the North North Korea you've got one
Speaker 2: hundred percent government. In South Korea you've got probably forty
Speaker 2: percent government. It's not zero. And yet you've got a
Speaker 2: standard of living that is probably ten times higher in
Speaker 2: South Korea at least exactly.
Speaker 1: And then East and West Germany.
Speaker 2: In West Germany you hadn't just thinking in terms of cars,
Speaker 2: I mean you had MW, Porsche.
Speaker 1: Audi, Mercedes.
Speaker 2: And East Germany, which is a random line on a map,
Speaker 2: the car only car you could get was a trabante,
Speaker 2: which is basically a lawnmower with a shell in it,
Speaker 2: and it was extremely unsafe. There was a twenty year wait,
Speaker 2: so like you know, put your kid on the list
Speaker 2: as they're conceived. And even then only I think, you know,
Speaker 2: a quarter of people maybe got this lousy car.
Speaker 1: And it's just the same.
Speaker 2: So that's just an interesting example of like basically the
Speaker 2: same people, different operating system. And it's not like West
Speaker 2: Germany was some you know, you know, a capitalist heaven.
Speaker 1: It was.
Speaker 2: It's quite socialist actually, so so when you look at
Speaker 2: you know, probably it was half half government in West
Speaker 2: Germany and one hundred percent government in East Germany.
Speaker 1: And again it's sort of a.
Speaker 2: Five to I'd like it call at least a five
Speaker 2: to ten x standard of living difference, and even qualitatively
Speaker 2: vastly better. And and it's obviously you know sometimes people
Speaker 2: have these amazingly in this modern era, this debate as
Speaker 2: to which system is better, Well, I'll tell you which
Speaker 2: system is better. The one that doesn't need to build
Speaker 2: the world, keep people in. Okay, that's that's.
Speaker 1: How you can tell.
Speaker 2: Okay, it's a dead giveaway.
Speaker 1: Spoiler alert. It did giveaway to get away, come in.
Speaker 2: You have to build a barrier to keep people in.
Speaker 2: That is the bad system. There wasn't West West Berlin
Speaker 2: that built the wall. Okay, they were like, you know,
Speaker 2: anyone who wants to flee West Berlin go ahead.
Speaker 1: So you know, and and if you look at sort of.
Speaker 2: The flux of boats from Cuba, there's a large number
Speaker 2: of boats from Cuba, and there's a bunch of free
Speaker 2: boats that anyone can take to Cuba, like plenty of seats.
Speaker 2: There's like, hey, wow, an abandoned boats. I could use
Speaker 2: this boat to go to Cuba where they have communism. Awesome,
Speaker 2: and yet nobody, nobody picks up those boats and does it.
Speaker 1: Amazing.
Speaker 7: So given us a lot of thought.
Speaker 10: Yeah, so your point is jobs will be created if
Speaker 10: we cut government spending in half. Jobs will be created
Speaker 10: fast enough to make up for right just to count.
Speaker 2: Yes, obviously, you know, I'm not suggesting that that people
Speaker 2: you know have like immediately tossed out with with no
Speaker 2: severians and and you know can't not can't pay their mortgage.
Speaker 2: Then you see some reasonable off ramp where yeah, so
Speaker 2: a reasonable off ramp.
Speaker 1: Where you know they're still you know, earning.
Speaker 2: They're still receiving money, but have like a year or
Speaker 2: two to to find jobs in the private sector, which
Speaker 2: they will find, and then there will be in a
Speaker 2: different operating system. Again, you can see the difference. East
Speaker 2: Germany was incorporated into West Germany. Living standards in East
Speaker 2: Germany rose dramatically.
Speaker 6: So in four years, if you could shrink, aside the
Speaker 6: size of the government with Trump, what would be a
Speaker 6: good target just in terms of like ballpark, are.
Speaker 1: You trying to get me assassinated before this even happens?
Speaker 7: No? No, pick a low number.
Speaker 2: I mean, you know there's that old phrase, go postal.
Speaker 2: I mean it's like they might, yeah me, so we'll
Speaker 2: keep the post office a security detail.
Speaker 1: Guys.
Speaker 2: Yes, you are a number of just ground holds workers
Speaker 2: for former government employees, is you know.
Speaker 1: Quite scary number. I mean I might not make it,
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 6: I was saying low, low digits every year for four
Speaker 6: years would be palatable.
Speaker 2: And I like, if the thing is that I it's
Speaker 2: not done, Like if you have a once once in
Speaker 2: a lifetime, once in a generation opportunity and you don't
Speaker 2: take serious action and then you have four years to
Speaker 2: get it done, and then and if it doesn't get done, then.
Speaker 7: How serious is Trump about this? Like you've talked to
Speaker 7: them about it?
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, he is very serious about it.
Speaker 3: Got it?
Speaker 2: And no, I think actually the reality is that if
Speaker 2: you get rid of nonsense regulations and shift people from
Speaker 2: the government sector to the private sector, we will have
Speaker 2: immense prosperity and and I think we will have a
Speaker 2: golden age in this country and it'll be fantastic.
Speaker 1: Were talking about. I guess.
Speaker 8: You have a bunch of critical milestones coming up.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: In fact, there's an important, a very exciting launch that
Speaker 2: maybe happening tonight. So if that, if the weather is
Speaker 2: holding up, then I'm going to leave here head to
Speaker 2: Kate Canaveral for the the Plower Storm mission, which is
Speaker 2: a private mission subfunded by Jack Dardisaman and he's importing
Speaker 2: guy and and there. This will be the first time
Speaker 2: the first private, first post commercial spacewalk, and it'll be
Speaker 2: at the highest altitude since Apollo.
Speaker 1: So it's the furthest from Earth that anyone's gone. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and you know, I go after that.
Speaker 8: Let's assume that's successful.
Speaker 1: And I sure hope so many.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're you know, absolutely, you know, astronaut prior astronaut
Speaker 2: safety man, if I would like all the issues I
Speaker 2: could save up, that would be the one to put on.
Speaker 1: So you space is dangerous, so the yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: the next.
Speaker 2: Mile soon after that would be the next flight of Starship,
Speaker 2: which you know, Starship is the next flight. Starship is
Speaker 2: ready to fly. We are waiting for regulatory approval.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: It really should not be possible to build a giant
Speaker 2: rocket faster than the paper can move from one desk
Speaker 2: to another.
Speaker 1: So.
Speaker 7: It is really hard approved.
Speaker 10: Yeah, that movie you ever see that moviees Utopia, there's
Speaker 10: like a sloth.
Speaker 2: Well yeah, yeah, they accidentally tell a joke and then
Speaker 2: and I was like, oh no, this is here.
Speaker 1: We can take a long time.
Speaker 2: But yeah, z Utopia, you know, it's you know, the
Speaker 2: funny thing is like, so I went to the d
Speaker 2: m V about I don't know, a year later after
Speaker 2: z Utopia and to get my license renew and the guy,
Speaker 2: in an exercise of incredible self awareness, had the slots
Speaker 2: from Utopia in his his cube in his cube and
Speaker 2: he was actually swift.
Speaker 7: With the date.
Speaker 1: Yea. Yeah, No personal agency, personal agency.
Speaker 2: No, I mean sometimes people like I think the you know,
Speaker 2: the government is more confident than than it is. I'm
Speaker 2: not saying that there aren't confident people in the government.
Speaker 2: They're just in an operating system that is inefficient. Once
Speaker 2: you move them to a more efficient operating system, they
Speaker 2: their output is dramatically greater, as we've seen exactly. You
Speaker 2: know when East Jany was reintegrated Toto with West Germany
Speaker 2: and the same people were vastly more prosperous with a
Speaker 2: basically half capitalist operating system.
Speaker 1: So but I mean, for a.
Speaker 2: Lot of people live there, like the maybe most direct
Speaker 2: experience with with the government is the DMV and and
Speaker 2: and then the important thing to remember is that the
Speaker 2: government is the d m V at scale, right.
Speaker 1: Got the government got the mental power? How much do
Speaker 1: you want to scale it? Yeah?
Speaker 10: Sorry, can you go back to Chamat's question on starch.
Speaker 10: So you you announced just the other day Starship going
Speaker 10: to Mars in two years and by the way, yeah yeah,
Speaker 10: yeah yeah, and then four years for crude as personal
Speaker 10: launch and the next and how much is the government involved?
Speaker 1: Let's say, like say you watched by these not you know,
Speaker 1: but these.
Speaker 2: But based on our current progress, where with Starship we're
Speaker 2: able to successfully reach oval of lasty twice we were
Speaker 2: able to achieve soft landings of the booster and the
Speaker 2: ship in the water. And that's despite the ship having
Speaker 2: you know, half its class cooked off.
Speaker 1: You can see the video on the X platform is
Speaker 1: quite conciding.
Speaker 2: So you know, we we think we'll be able to
Speaker 2: have to launch reliably and repeatedly and quite quickly.
Speaker 1: And the fundamental Holy Grail breakthrough for rocketry.
Speaker 2: For what the fundamental breakthrough that is needed for life
Speaker 2: to become multiplanetary is a rapidly reusable, reliable rocket are for.
Speaker 1: The pirate somehow throw a firate in there.
Speaker 2: The So Starship is the first rocket design where success
Speaker 2: is one of the possible outcomes with full reusability. So
Speaker 2: for any given project, you have to say, this is
Speaker 2: the circle to the right band diagrams because a circle
Speaker 2: and it is success.
Speaker 1: The success dot in the circle is success in the
Speaker 1: set of possible outcomes.
Speaker 2: That's uh, you know, it sounds pretty obvious, but there
Speaker 2: are often projects where that that is success.
Speaker 1: Is not in the set of possible outcomes.
Speaker 2: And so so Starship not only is fully full reusability
Speaker 2: in the set of possible outcomes, it is being proven
Speaker 2: with each launch and and and I'm confident it will
Speaker 2: succeed as simply a matter of time. And you know,
Speaker 2: if we can get some improvement in the speed of regulation,
Speaker 2: we could actually move a lot faster. Uh So that
Speaker 2: would that would be very helpful. And and in fact,
Speaker 2: if the if not, if something isn't done about reducing
Speaker 2: regulation and sort of speeding up approvals.
Speaker 1: And to be clear, I'm not talking about anything unsafe.
Speaker 2: It's simply the processing of the safe thing can be
Speaker 2: done at as as.
Speaker 1: Fast as the rocket is built, not slower, then.
Speaker 2: Then we could become a space bearing civilization and a
Speaker 2: multiplanted species and ultimate and be out there among the
Speaker 2: stars in the future.
Speaker 1: And there's you know, it's it's just very like it's incredibly.
Speaker 2: Important that we have things that that we find inspiring,
Speaker 2: that you look to the future and say the future
Speaker 2: is going to be better than the past. Things to
Speaker 2: look forward to, and like like kids.
Speaker 1: Are a good a good way to assess this, Like
Speaker 1: what are kids fired up about? And if you could.
Speaker 2: Say, you know, you could you know, you could be
Speaker 2: an actional Mars. You could maybe one day go beyond
Speaker 2: the Solar System. We could make star trek star for
Speaker 2: the academy. Real that is an exciting future that is inspiring,
Speaker 2: you know, just I mean you need things that move
Speaker 2: your heart, right, yeah?
Speaker 12: Fuck yeah, yeah, let's do it.
Speaker 2: But I mean, like, like life can't just be about
Speaker 2: solving one miserable problem after another.
Speaker 1: There's got to be things that you look forward to
Speaker 1: as well.
Speaker 6: Yeah, and do you think you might have to move
Speaker 6: it to a different jurisdiction and to move faster.
Speaker 7: I've always wondered if, like.
Speaker 2: It's rocket technology is considered in fast weapons technology, so
Speaker 2: we can't just go do it, you know.
Speaker 7: In another country.
Speaker 6: Yes, in interesting and if we don't do it, other
Speaker 6: countries could do it. I mean they're so far behind us.
Speaker 6: But theoretically there's a national security you know, justification here
Speaker 6: if somebody can put their thinking caps on, like do
Speaker 6: we want to have this technology that you're building. The
Speaker 6: team's works are hard on stolen by other countries, and
Speaker 6: then you know, maybe they don't have as much red tape.
Speaker 2: I wished people were trying to steal it, so that
Speaker 2: no one's trying to steal it.
Speaker 1: It's just too This is too crazy basically, and that's
Speaker 1: for you.
Speaker 7: Yeah, what do you think is going on?
Speaker 8: That led to Boeing building the star Line the way
Speaker 8: that they did. They were able to get it up.
Speaker 7: But not complete.
Speaker 1: But can't complete.
Speaker 7: They can't finish.
Speaker 8: I can't finish, and we're gonna have to go up
Speaker 8: and finish well.
Speaker 2: I mean, I think Boding is a company that is
Speaker 2: they actually do so much business with the government. They
Speaker 2: have sort of impedance match to the government, so they're
Speaker 2: like bas the one notch away from the government. Maybe
Speaker 2: they're not far from the government from an efficiency standpoint
Speaker 2: because they derive so much of the revenue from the government.
Speaker 2: A lot of people think, well, SpaceX is super dependent
Speaker 2: on the government, and I actually know.
Speaker 1: Most of our revenues commercial, so and and and there's.
Speaker 2: I think, at least up until perhaps recently, because then
Speaker 2: a new CEO who actually shows up in the factory,
Speaker 2: and the CEO before that I think had a degree
Speaker 2: in accounting and I never went to the factory and
Speaker 2: didn't know how airplanes flew. So I think if you
Speaker 2: are in charge of a company that makes airplanes fly
Speaker 2: and spacecraft go to orbit, then it can't be a
Speaker 2: total mystery as to how they work. So you know,
Speaker 2: I'm like, sure if somebody is like running Coco Pepsi
Speaker 2: and they're like great at marketing or whatever. That's that's
Speaker 2: fine because you know it's not a sort of technology
Speaker 2: dependent business, you know. Or if they're running a you know,
Speaker 2: financial consulting in their degrees in accounting, that makes sense.
Speaker 2: But I think you know, if you're if you're the
Speaker 2: cavalry captain, is should know how to ride a horse?
Speaker 7: Pretty basic.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like it's just concerning it.
Speaker 1: The cavalry captain spoils off the horse.
Speaker 2: You know, he's as a team, I'm sorry, gets on
Speaker 2: backwards and.
Speaker 3: Like shifting gears to AI.
Speaker 4: Peter was here earlier and he was talking about how
Speaker 4: so far the only company to really make money off
Speaker 4: AI is and Vidia with the chips. Do you have
Speaker 4: a sense yet of where you think the big applications
Speaker 4: will be from AI? Is it going to be an
Speaker 4: enabling self driving? Is it going to be enabling robots?
Speaker 4: Is it transforming industries? I mean, it's still I think
Speaker 4: early in terms of where the big business impact is
Speaker 4: going to be.
Speaker 1: Give a sense yet, I mean, I think I think
Speaker 1: they that there.
Speaker 2: The spending on AI probably runs ahead of I mean,
Speaker 2: it does run ahead of the revenue right now.
Speaker 1: That's there's no question about that.
Speaker 2: But the rate of improvement of AI is faster than
Speaker 2: any technology I've ever seen by far, and and and
Speaker 2: it's I mean, like, for example, a touring test used
Speaker 2: to be a thing. Now you know your basic open
Speaker 2: source random l M, you're writing on a freaking Raspberry pie.
Speaker 2: Probably could you know, be at the touring test. So
Speaker 2: there's I think, actually, like the good future of AI
Speaker 2: is one of immense prosperity, where there is an age
Speaker 2: of abundance, no shortage of goods and services. Everyone can
Speaker 2: have whatever they want, unless except for things we artificially
Speaker 2: defined to be scarce, like some special artwork.
Speaker 1: But anything that is a manufactured.
Speaker 2: Good or provided service will I think with the adment
Speaker 2: of AI plus robotics that the cost of goods and
Speaker 2: services will be will trend to zero. I'm not saying
Speaker 2: it'd be actually zero, but it'll be everyone will be
Speaker 2: able to have anything they want. That's the good future,
Speaker 2: of course. And you know, in my view that's probably
Speaker 2: eighty percent likely. Look on the right side, only twenty
Speaker 2: percent probably of annihilation.
Speaker 3: Nothing is the twenty percent that like, what does that
Speaker 3: look like?
Speaker 1: Man?
Speaker 2: I mean frankly, I do have to go engage in
Speaker 2: some degree of deliberate suspension of disbelief with respect to
Speaker 2: AI in order to sleep well.
Speaker 1: And even then.
Speaker 2: Because I think the actual issue, the most likely issue
Speaker 2: is like, well, how do we find meaning in a
Speaker 2: world where AI can do everything, we can do a
Speaker 2: bit better that that that is perhaps the biggest challenge.
Speaker 2: Although you know, at this point, I know more and
Speaker 2: more people who are retired and they seem to enjoy
Speaker 2: that life. So but I think that that may be
Speaker 2: maybe there'll be some crisis of meaning, Like because the
Speaker 2: computer can do everything, you can do a bit better,
Speaker 2: so maybe that'll.
Speaker 1: Be a challenge. But really, you know, you need you
Speaker 1: need this sort of end of factors.
Speaker 2: You need the the autonomous cars, and you need the
Speaker 2: sort of humanoid robots or general purpose robots. But once
Speaker 2: you have general purpose humanoid robots and autonomous vehicles, you.
Speaker 1: Really you you you can build anything.
Speaker 2: And and this there's I think that there's no actual
Speaker 2: limit to the size of the economy. I mean, there's
Speaker 2: obviously you know, the massive Earth, you know, like that
Speaker 2: will be alone one limit, but you know, the the
Speaker 2: economy is really just the average productivity per person times
Speaker 2: number of people. That's the economy. And if you've if
Speaker 2: you've got humanoid robots that can do you know where
Speaker 2: there's no real limit on the number of humanoid robots
Speaker 2: and and they can operate very intelligently, then then there's
Speaker 2: no actual limit to the economy. There's no meaningful limit
Speaker 2: to the economy.
Speaker 8: You guys just earned on Colossus, which is like the
Speaker 8: largest private compute cluster I guess of GPUs anywhere.
Speaker 1: So it's the it's the most powerful supercomputer of any kind, which.
Speaker 8: Sort of speaks to what David said and kind of
Speaker 8: what Peter said, which is a lot of the kind
Speaker 8: of economic.
Speaker 7: Value so far of AI.
Speaker 1: AI has entirely gone to in video.
Speaker 8: But there are people with alternatives, and you're actually one
Speaker 8: with an alternative. Now you have a very specific case
Speaker 8: because Nojo's really about images and large images, huge video.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I mean, the tel the problem is different
Speaker 2: from the you know, the sort of L and M
Speaker 2: problem that the nature of the intelligence actually is actually
Speaker 2: and then what matters in the AI is different to
Speaker 2: the point you just made, which is that in the
Speaker 2: in tells Us case, the context like is very long.
Speaker 1: So you've got gigabytes of context context windows. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: you've got you know of.
Speaker 2: Kind of billions of tokens of context an the amount
Speaker 2: of context because you've got seven seven cameras and if
Speaker 2: if you've got several you know, let's say you've got
Speaker 2: a minute of several high high def cameras, then that's gigabytes.
Speaker 1: So you need to compress.
Speaker 2: So the teslil problem is you've got to compress a
Speaker 2: gigantic context into the pixels that are that actually matter.
Speaker 1: And.
Speaker 2: You know, and and and condensed that over a time
Speaker 2: So you've got in both the time dimension and the
Speaker 2: space dimension. You've got to compress the pixels uh in
Speaker 2: space and the pixels of it in time, and and
Speaker 2: and then and then have that inference done on a
Speaker 2: tiny computer relatively speaking, a small than you know, a
Speaker 2: few hundred watts.
Speaker 9: Uh.
Speaker 2: It's a test that designed AI in furnest computer, which
Speaker 2: is still the best. There isn't a better thing we
Speaker 2: could buy from suppliers. So the test that design and
Speaker 2: AI in firmst computer that's in the cars is better
Speaker 2: than anything we could buy from any supplier.
Speaker 1: Just by the way.
Speaker 2: That's kind of by the way the air trip team
Speaker 2: is extremely good.
Speaker 8: You guys in the design there was a technical paper
Speaker 8: and there was a deck that somebody on your team
Speaker 8: from Tesla published and it was stunning to me. You
Speaker 8: designed your own transport control like layer over Ethernet. You're like, oh,
Speaker 8: Ethernet's not good enough for us. You have this pt
Speaker 8: CUI or something, and you're like, oh, we're just going
Speaker 8: to reinvent Ethernet and like string these It's pretty incredible
Speaker 8: stuff that's happening over there.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Now, the team, the Tesla Chef design team is extremely,
Speaker 2: extremely good.
Speaker 1: So but is there a.
Speaker 8: World where, for example, other people over time that need
Speaker 8: you know, some sort of like video use case or
Speaker 8: image case. Theoretically you know, you'd say why not. You know,
Speaker 8: I have some extra cycles over here, so we should
Speaker 8: kind of make you a competitor of entity. It's not
Speaker 8: intentionally per.
Speaker 1: Se, but yeah, I mean the.
Speaker 2: You know, there's this training and inference and we do
Speaker 2: have the you know those two projects at TAILS. We've
Speaker 2: got Dojo, which is the training computer, uh and then
Speaker 2: you know our inference chip which is in every every
Speaker 2: car in computer so and dojo. We've only had Dojo one.
Speaker 2: Dojo two is you know should be we should have
Speaker 2: Dojo two volume towards then the next year, and and
Speaker 2: that that that will be.
Speaker 1: We think sort of comparable to.
Speaker 2: The sort of a B two hundred type system, a
Speaker 2: training system, and you know, so there's I guess there's
Speaker 2: some potential for for that to be used as a service.
Speaker 1: But like.
Speaker 2: Dojo is just kind of like, I mean, we're I guess,
Speaker 2: I guess I have like some improved confidence dojo, But
Speaker 2: I think we won't really know how good dojo is
Speaker 2: until probably version three. Like usually takes three major iterations
Speaker 2: on a technology for it to be excellent, and we'll
Speaker 2: only have the second major iteration next year, the third iteration,
Speaker 2: I don't know, maybe late, you know, twenty six or
Speaker 2: something like that.
Speaker 7: How's the Optimist project going. I remember we talked last
Speaker 7: and you said it's publicly.
Speaker 6: That it's in doing some light testing inside the factory.
Speaker 7: Yeah, actually being useful. What's the build of materials?
Speaker 6: And when you know, for something like that at scale,
Speaker 6: so when you start making it, like you're making the
Speaker 6: Model three now and there's a million of them coming
Speaker 6: off the factory line, what would the would they cost
Speaker 6: twenty thirty forty thousand dollars, you.
Speaker 2: Think, Yeah, I mean what I'm going I've discovered really
Speaker 2: that you know, anything made in sufficient volume will asymptotically
Speaker 2: approach the cost.
Speaker 1: Of its of a it's materials.
Speaker 2: So now there's the there's I should say that there's
Speaker 2: some things are constrained by the cost of intellectual property
Speaker 2: and like paying for patents and stuff. So a lot
Speaker 2: of you know, what's in a chip is like paying
Speaker 2: paying royalties and depreciation of the chip bab so. But
Speaker 2: the actual mordule costs the chips is very low. So
Speaker 2: so so Optimists. It obviously is human, right, robot it is.
Speaker 2: It weighs much less than it's much smaller than a car,
Speaker 2: so the you could expect that in high volume. And
Speaker 2: I would say you also probably need three three production
Speaker 2: versions of Optimists, So you need to refine the designs
Speaker 2: three at least three major times, and then you need
Speaker 2: to scale production to sort of the million unit plus
Speaker 2: per year level. And I think at that point, the
Speaker 2: cost the you know, the every materials on Optimists is
Speaker 2: probably not much more than ten thousand dollars, and.
Speaker 7: That's a decade long journey.
Speaker 2: Maybe basically think of it like the Optimists will cost
Speaker 2: less than a small car, right, so at at scale
Speaker 2: volume with three major iterations of technology, and so for
Speaker 2: a small car it costs twenty five thousand dollars, you know,
Speaker 2: it's it's probably like a twenty thousand dollars for an
Speaker 2: optimist for humanoid robot that can be your your body,
Speaker 2: like a combination of.
Speaker 1: R two, D two and C three THEO but better.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, you know, that's that's I honestly, I
Speaker 2: think people are gonna get really attached to their humanoid
Speaker 2: robot because I mean, like you look at sort of
Speaker 2: watched All Wars and it's like R T, D two
Speaker 2: and C three.
Speaker 1: I love those guys. Yeah, you know, they're awesome.
Speaker 2: And their personality and I mean all R two could
Speaker 2: do is just bef at. You couldn't speak English in
Speaker 2: three to translate the beeps you So you're in.
Speaker 7: Year two of that.
Speaker 6: If you did two or three years per iteration or something,
Speaker 6: it's a decade long journey for this to hit some
Speaker 6: sort of scale.
Speaker 2: And I would say mid major iterations are less than
Speaker 2: two years, So it's probably on the order of five
Speaker 2: five years, yeah, maybe maybe six to get to a
Speaker 2: million Yearits a year, and.
Speaker 6: At that price point, everybody could afford one planet Earth.
Speaker 7: I mean it's going to be that one to one,
Speaker 7: two to one.
Speaker 6: What do you think ultimately we're sitting here in thirty years,
Speaker 6: the number of robots on the planet versus humans.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think the number of robots will vastly exceed
Speaker 1: the normer of humans. Vastly, Yeah, fastly exceed.
Speaker 2: I mean you have to say, like, who who would
Speaker 2: not want their robot buddy?
Speaker 1: Everyone wants to Robert buddy.
Speaker 2: You know, it's just like especially if you know, you know,
Speaker 2: it can take care of your take your dog for
Speaker 2: a walk. It could, you know, mow the lawn. It
Speaker 2: could watch your kids. It could you know, like you
Speaker 2: could teach your kids.
Speaker 1: It could It could.
Speaker 7: Also send it to Mars.
Speaker 10: Yeah, we can send a lot of robots to Mars
Speaker 10: to do the work needed to make a colonized planet.
Speaker 2: For you, muz Already the robot planet last like the
Speaker 2: whole bunch of you know, robots like rovers and only helicopter, Yes,
Speaker 2: only robots.
Speaker 1: So yeah, the.
Speaker 2: No, I think the sort of useful humanoid robot opportunity
Speaker 2: is the single biggest opportunity ever because if you assuem
Speaker 2: like that. I mean, the ratio of humanoid robots to
Speaker 2: humans is going to be at least two to one,
Speaker 2: maybe three to one, because everybody, everybody will want one.
Speaker 2: And then there will be a bunch of robots that
Speaker 2: you don't see that are making goods and services.
Speaker 8: And you think it's a general one generalized robot that
Speaker 8: then learns how to do different tasks.
Speaker 2: Or yeah, I mean we are a realized, we're general
Speaker 2: We're just we're just made of meat, you know. Uh, yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean operating my meat puppet, you know. So yeah,
Speaker 2: we are actually and rather, it turns out like as
Speaker 2: we're designing optimists, we sort of learn more and more
Speaker 2: about why humans are shaped the way they're shaped, and
Speaker 2: you know, and why we have five fingers, and why
Speaker 2: your little finger is smaller than you know, your index finger.
Speaker 1: You know, you know obviously why you.
Speaker 2: Have opposable thumbs, but also why, for example, your the muscles,
Speaker 2: the major muscles that operate your hand are actually in
Speaker 2: your forearm, and and your fingers are primarily operated like
Speaker 2: the muscles that actuate your fingers are located. The vast
Speaker 2: majority of the of the of your finger strength is
Speaker 2: actually coming from your forearm and your fingers are being
Speaker 2: operated by tendons. A little strength that that's and so
Speaker 2: the current version of the Optimist hand has the actuators
Speaker 2: in the hand and has only eleven degrees of freedom,
Speaker 2: so it can't it's not as it doesn't have all
Speaker 2: the degrees of freedom of human hand, which has depending
Speaker 2: on how you counted, a roughly twenty five degrees of freedom.
Speaker 2: And and it's also like not strong enough in certain
Speaker 2: ways because the actuators have to fit in the hand.
Speaker 2: So the next generation Optimist hand, which we have in
Speaker 2: prototype form, the actuators have moved to the forearm just
Speaker 2: like a human, and they operate the fingers through cables
Speaker 2: just like the human hand. And then the next generation
Speaker 2: hand has twenty two degrees of freedom, which we think
Speaker 2: is enough to do almost anything that a human can do.
Speaker 8: And presumably I think it was written that X and
Speaker 8: Tesla may work together and you know, provide services. But
Speaker 8: my immediate thought went to, all, if you just provide
Speaker 8: a grock to the robot, then the robot has a
Speaker 8: personality and can process voice and video and images and
Speaker 8: all of that stuff.
Speaker 7: So yeah, it's three wrap here.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think you know, everybody talks about all the
Speaker 6: projects you're working on, but people don't know you have
Speaker 6: a great sense of humor.
Speaker 1: That's not true. Oh you do.
Speaker 2: You do.
Speaker 7: People don't see it.
Speaker 6: But I would say one I know, for me, the
Speaker 6: funniest week of my life, but one of the funniest
Speaker 6: was when you did S and L and we.
Speaker 7: Got and you I got to tag along. Maybe you
Speaker 7: saw it, maybe behind.
Speaker 6: The scenes, like some of your funniest recollections of that chaotic,
Speaker 6: insane week when we laughed for twelve hours a day.
Speaker 7: It was a little terrorizing in the first couple of days.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I was a bit worried at the beginning
Speaker 2: there because frankly, nothing was funny.
Speaker 7: Da one was rough up.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So, I mean, it's like a rule.
Speaker 8: But can't you guys just say it, Just say the
Speaker 8: stuff that got on the cutting.
Speaker 3: The funniest skits were the ones that didn't let you
Speaker 3: do that.
Speaker 7: I'm saying a couple of funny ones. Yeah, you can
Speaker 7: say it so that he doesn't.
Speaker 1: I mean, how much time do you have here?
Speaker 7: You just give me one or two because it was
Speaker 7: in your mind. Which one do we regret most? Not
Speaker 7: getting on air?
Speaker 1: Do you really want to hear that?
Speaker 9: I mean, I mean it was a little spicy, it
Speaker 9: was a little funny.
Speaker 1: Okay, here we go, all right, here we go, guys.
Speaker 1: All right.
Speaker 2: So one of the things that I think everyone's been
Speaker 2: sort of wondering this whole time, is Saturday Night Saturday Night.
Speaker 1: Live actually live, like live, live, live live.
Speaker 2: Or do they have like a delay or like just
Speaker 2: in case you know, there's a Warbrobe malfunction or something
Speaker 2: like that. Is it like a you know, five second delay?
Speaker 2: What's really going on? But there's a there's a way
Speaker 2: to test this right away.
Speaker 1: The way to test this, which is we don't tell
Speaker 1: them what's going on. As I woke on and said,
Speaker 1: this is the script I'll throw on the ground.
Speaker 2: We're going to find out tonight, right now, Saturday Sunday
Speaker 2: Night Live is actually live. And the way that we're
Speaker 2: going to do this is I'm going to take my
Speaker 2: cock out this wait ever, and if if you see
Speaker 2: my car, you know it's true. And if you don't,
Speaker 2: it's been a lie all these years.
Speaker 1: All these years.
Speaker 7: This is we're going to bust the right now and
Speaker 7: this we're pitching this.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, So we're pitching this on zoom putching this.
Speaker 2: On zoom on on like a Monday after like we're
Speaker 2: like kind of hungover from the weekend and like pitching
Speaker 2: this there and and and it's a it's Jason's on
Speaker 2: and uh yeah and Mike, uh you know, sometimes we
Speaker 2: got like, you know, my friends I think are sort of,
Speaker 2: you know, quite funny. You know, Jason is quite funny.
Speaker 2: I think like, like Jason is the closest thing to
Speaker 2: Cartman that exists in the world.
Speaker 9: And we have a joke going like he's butters in
Speaker 9: our apartment.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So and my friend Mike's prettly funny too. So
Speaker 1: so we.
Speaker 2: We come in like like just like guns blazing, guns
Speaker 2: blazing with with like ideas and and we didn't realize like, actually,
Speaker 2: you know, that's not how it works and and and
Speaker 2: that's that's that's normally like actress and and they just
Speaker 2: get told what to do and like, oh, well, you
Speaker 2: mean we can't just like do funny things that we
Speaker 2: thought of.
Speaker 6: What they're they're watching this and on the zoom they're
Speaker 6: a gast pitch.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's silence. Like so I'm like and I'm like
Speaker 2: and I was like, is this thing working is this
Speaker 2: mute is all.
Speaker 7: My gone, and they're like, we hear you.
Speaker 2: And then and then after a long silence, like Mike,
Speaker 2: Mike just says the word crickets and they're.
Speaker 13: Not They're gonna not even gonna chuckle.
Speaker 1: What's going on?
Speaker 7: Explains the punchline.
Speaker 1: Which is exactly. So there's more to it.
Speaker 13: Okay, that's just the beginning, Soon says, so so then
Speaker 13: I'm so now I'm like so so so I said
Speaker 13: like I'm gonna, I'm gonna reach down.
Speaker 1: Into my and in my.
Speaker 2: Fans and I stuck my hand on my fants and
Speaker 2: I'm gonna and I'm and I'm gonna pull my talk and.
Speaker 1: I tell this to the audience, and the audience is
Speaker 1: gonna be like what.
Speaker 2: Right, and and and and then and then and then
Speaker 2: and then I pull out a baby rooster, you know, yes,
Speaker 2: and it's like, okay, this is kind of PG.
Speaker 1: You know, it's like that that bad that.
Speaker 2: This is my tiny cock and and and it's like
Speaker 2: what do you think? Uh?
Speaker 1: And do you think it's a nice colock? I mean
Speaker 1: I like it pitch like.
Speaker 12: And then Kate McKennon walks out exactly and I'm like,
Speaker 12: oh no, but you haven't heard half of it. To
Speaker 12: Kate McKinnon comes out, yeah, and she says, Elon, she
Speaker 12: has expected you would have a bigger cock.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: It's like I don't mean to just want you, Kate,
Speaker 2: but yeah, but I hope you like it anyway. And
Speaker 2: then but Kate's got to come out with with with
Speaker 2: her cat. Okay, so you see what you see where
Speaker 2: this is going? And I say, nice, Wow, that's that's
Speaker 2: a that's a that's a nice see you got there? Okay, wow,
Speaker 2: that's amazing. It looks a little wet. Was it raining outside?
Speaker 2: Then do you mind if I stroke your pussy?
Speaker 1: Is that cool?
Speaker 2: It's like, oh no, Elon, actually can I hold your cock?
Speaker 2: Of course, Kate, you will hold my cock, and then
Speaker 2: you know, we exchange and I think just the audio
Speaker 2: version of this is pretty good, and you know it's
Speaker 2: just like, wow, I really like stroking your cock. And
Speaker 2: I was like, I'm really enjoying stroke at your pussy
Speaker 2: of course.
Speaker 1: And yeah, so you know they're.
Speaker 9: Looking at us like, oh my god, what have we
Speaker 9: done inviting these lunatics on the program.
Speaker 2: Yeah, then they said they said, like, well it is
Speaker 2: it is Mother's day.
Speaker 9: It's Mother's saying we might not want to go with this.
Speaker 2: One of mom's an audience, and I'm like, well, that's
Speaker 2: a good point. Fair, it might be a bit uncomfortable
Speaker 2: for all the moms and the audience.
Speaker 1: Maybe I don't know, I don't know.
Speaker 7: Maybe they'll dig it.
Speaker 1: They like it.
Speaker 7: So, yeah, that was that's the that's the that's the
Speaker 7: that's the cold open. That didn't make it.
Speaker 6: We didn't get that on the air, but uh we
Speaker 6: did fight for Doge, yes, and we got Doge.
Speaker 2: I mean there's a bunch of things that I said
Speaker 2: that we're just not on the script, like they have
Speaker 2: these like cue cards we're just supposed to say, and
Speaker 2: I just didn't say it.
Speaker 1: I just went off off the rails. Yeah, yeah, it's live.
Speaker 7: Well that's live.
Speaker 6: And uh so the Elon wanted to do Doge. This
Speaker 6: is the other one, and he wanted to do Doge
Speaker 6: on late night and he says, hey, Jake, al can
Speaker 6: you make sure.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I want to.
Speaker 2: I want to do the Doge father, like to redo
Speaker 2: the you know that scene from the Godfather.
Speaker 1: I mean, you kind of need the music to cue
Speaker 1: things up.
Speaker 5: You bring me on my daughter's wedding, but you want
Speaker 5: to exactly, you really got to set the mood to
Speaker 5: get out of tuxedo and this whole sort of office
Speaker 5: in the like Molon Brondo.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you'll calm to me all day of my daughters
Speaker 2: to the wedding.
Speaker 1: And you asked me for your private keys? Are you
Speaker 1: even a friend? You call me the door father?
Speaker 2: So best potential.
Speaker 7: They had great potential.
Speaker 6: So they come to me and I'm I'm talking to
Speaker 6: Colin and Joe, who's got a great sense of human
Speaker 6: he's amazing, who loves you loan And he's like, we
Speaker 6: can't do it because of the law and stuff like that,
Speaker 6: and the law and liability.
Speaker 7: So I said it's okay.
Speaker 6: Elon called Comcast and he put in an offer and they.
Speaker 7: Just accepted it. We just bought NBC, so it's fine. Yeah,
Speaker 7: Colin Joe just looks at me. It's so good and
Speaker 7: he's like, you're you're serious.
Speaker 14: I'm like, yeah, we own NBC now, and he's like, okay,
Speaker 14: well that kind of changes things, doesn't And I'm like, absolutely,
Speaker 14: where a go on, doge And then he's like, you're
Speaker 14: fucking with me.
Speaker 9: It was the greatest week of that, like is like
Speaker 9: two of ten stories. Yeah, we'll see the other eight,
Speaker 9: but it was, and I was just so happy for
Speaker 9: you to see you have a great week of just
Speaker 9: joy and fun and letting go because you were launching rockets,
Speaker 9: You're dealing with so much. To have those moments, to
Speaker 9: share them and just laugh, it was just so great.
Speaker 7: More of those moments. I think we gotta we gotta
Speaker 7: get you back on SNL.
Speaker 9: Who wants them back on SNL one more time? All right,
Speaker 9: ladies and gentlemen, our best eat you on mus