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<v Speaker 1>M weird way.

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<v Speaker 2>H read we can kill a.

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<v Speaker 1>Shot it out the way English language?

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<v Speaker 2>What the hell are you?

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<v Speaker 3>Yell? Everybody?

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<v Speaker 4>Look around? What is that thing that it looks like

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<v Speaker 4>it's I can see through it, but it looks like,

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<v Speaker 4>I don't know, like plastic, like a plastic shell. Maybe

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<v Speaker 4>it was three dots. I'm dead.

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<v Speaker 3>That was state of the art.

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<v Speaker 4>God wouldn't it You could be visible finally and we

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<v Speaker 4>would buy it as a patron. The year is nineteen

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<v Speaker 4>eighty seven, HB. And I are fourteen years old amongst us?

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<v Speaker 2>Is it?

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<v Speaker 5>Oh?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, no, we definitely are, because we're talking about June twelfth,

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<v Speaker 4>nineteen eighty seven. If you're tuning into oh man, right now,

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<v Speaker 4>it's Predator Fest. I don't like Predator Fest. I like

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<v Speaker 4>that we're doing fests. I like that it's a thing

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<v Speaker 4>we do now, but I don't like that it's called fests.

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<v Speaker 4>It reminds me of a festivus for the rest of us.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know. I don't have any great pity reply.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know. You have to have the word predator

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<v Speaker 3>in there, but I don't know where you go from

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<v Speaker 3>there other.

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<v Speaker 4>Than fest about predator party.

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<v Speaker 3>I you know, I was about to say Predator party,

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<v Speaker 3>but that sounds like yay, we're gonna have a predator party.

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<v Speaker 4>How about Predator Party USA? And we have hits of

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<v Speaker 4>the eighties and predators dancing in scantily clad and we'll

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<v Speaker 4>put it on USA Network.

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<v Speaker 3>With the USA Up all Night.

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<v Speaker 4>Remember that this was in the afternoon. What are you

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<v Speaker 4>talking about? Up all Night? Had many variations, by the way,

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<v Speaker 4>because I remember Gilbert Gonfried as a host. I remember

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<v Speaker 4>what's her face? And I remember Canda Sheer and Captain

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<v Speaker 4>Captain underpants guy with his cigar.

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<v Speaker 3>Captain underpants guy.

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<v Speaker 4>Remember what you're talking about, Captain Captain cigar guy, Captain

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<v Speaker 4>grizzle butt.

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<v Speaker 3>I have no idea you remember him?

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<v Speaker 4>Remember this famous catchphrase, Hey kids, what's going on in

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<v Speaker 4>the sewers? Remember that.

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<v Speaker 3>You're making this up, you're putting me on.

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<v Speaker 4>Actually, yes, all right, what we're talking about is Predator

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<v Speaker 4>everybody HP you know him from Night mister Walters and

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<v Speaker 4>from Noise Junkies fucking fantastic show. Hi, Ivan, and this

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<v Speaker 4>is Predator Fest for lack of a better term, where

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<v Speaker 4>you're looking at Predator HPSA Hi to everybody, how are

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<v Speaker 4>you there?

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<v Speaker 2>Hi?

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<v Speaker 3>I'm feeling very festy. Let's do this.

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<v Speaker 4>You're you a fan of Predator? What's your experienced with Predator?

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<v Speaker 4>Did you see Predator in the theater? I bet you

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<v Speaker 4>I did.

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<v Speaker 3>It was a sensation. That was the big budget movie

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<v Speaker 3>that I remember from nineteen eighty seven. That was the

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<v Speaker 3>summer blockbuster. And you'd better believe I was there. I

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<v Speaker 3>saw it in the movies.

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<v Speaker 2>Were a rescue team, not assassins.

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<v Speaker 1>Now what are we gonna do.

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<v Speaker 5>In a part of the world where there are no rules?

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<v Speaker 6>We pick up their trailer the chopper, run them down,

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<v Speaker 6>grab those hostages before anybody knows we were there.

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<v Speaker 5>What do you mean we deep in the jungle where

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<v Speaker 5>nothing that lives is safe.

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<v Speaker 2>You lose it here.

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<v Speaker 4>You're in the world to hurt Showtime, Jim.

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<v Speaker 1>Not an elite rescue squad.

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<v Speaker 5>You're pleading man. Time is being led by the ultimate warrior.

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<v Speaker 5>We need the best. That's why you're here.

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<v Speaker 2>But now, what's got Phillis has booked.

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<v Speaker 5>There's something else they're waiting for us.

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<v Speaker 1>Ain't no man.

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<v Speaker 5>They're up against the ultimate enemy God. Nothing like it

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<v Speaker 5>has ever been unearthed before.

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<v Speaker 3>She says, the jungle just came alive and took.

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<v Speaker 5>A fo We cannot see.

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<v Speaker 4>It, no blood, no bodies, we nothing.

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<v Speaker 5>But it sees the heat of our bodies and the

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<v Speaker 5>heat of our fear.

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<v Speaker 2>Whatever it is out there killed Happa, and.

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<v Speaker 1>Now it wants us.

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<v Speaker 5>It kills for pleasure.

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<v Speaker 3>He will sin alive.

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<v Speaker 1>It hunts for sports, skillless one at the.

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<v Speaker 5>Time, We're all going guy, But this time it's picked

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<v Speaker 5>the wrong man to hunt.

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<v Speaker 2>If it pleads, we can kill it.

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<v Speaker 5>Twentieth Century Fox presents Arnold Schwarzenegger Predator. The Hunt begins Friday,

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<v Speaker 5>June twelfth at theaters everywhere.

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<v Speaker 3>Not being a big horror fan, I remember being a

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<v Speaker 3>little bit trepidacious about the prospect. But then again, it

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<v Speaker 3>had Arnold and it felt like more of a sci

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<v Speaker 3>fi movie, at least from my judging of the commercials

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<v Speaker 3>and so forth. So yeah, I was excited to see it,

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<v Speaker 3>a little nervous, but it was fantastic. I'm sure you

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<v Speaker 3>saw it in the theaters that summer as well.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh yeah, many times of this movie. In fact, was

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<v Speaker 4>this the year, No, it was the year, this was

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<v Speaker 4>the year. This is the first year I started working

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<v Speaker 4>in a movie theater, so it was this summer. But

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<v Speaker 4>this did not play at my movie theater. I had

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<v Speaker 4>to go seek it out. I luckily was able to

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<v Speaker 4>go to a different showcase cinemas to see it. So

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<v Speaker 4>I did the one in Revere.

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<v Speaker 3>Why didn't it play it all of the showcase cinemas.

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<v Speaker 4>Because sometimes a theater would be too close that was

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<v Speaker 4>a competition theater, so not showcased or like a general

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<v Speaker 4>cinemas would be close by, and they got that, like

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<v Speaker 4>we didn't get die Hard when that came out. We

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<v Speaker 4>didn't get die Hard when it came out the action movie,

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<v Speaker 4>like are you kidding me? I was so angry that

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<v Speaker 4>I had to go to another theater. I had to

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<v Speaker 4>have my theater call another theater and then fucking get

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<v Speaker 4>a ride to that theater. So I go see die

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<v Speaker 4>Hard once and not see it a thousand times, which

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<v Speaker 4>was the plan because I was an usher and could

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<v Speaker 4>do anyway.

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<v Speaker 3>How many times did you see Predator?

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<v Speaker 4>Again? It was in another theater, but I did see

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<v Speaker 4>it three times, probably that summer cool No no, no, no, none, none,

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<v Speaker 4>And at least one of those times was probably, I

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<v Speaker 4>hate to say, it was probably a lie. I probably

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<v Speaker 4>told my parents parents I was going to see something else,

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<v Speaker 4>just so I could see Predator again and not be

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<v Speaker 4>embarrassed that I was going to see it again, because

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<v Speaker 4>I was, as you, obsessed with this movie. This was

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<v Speaker 4>perfect timing for a film. It was an action movie

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<v Speaker 4>with horror elements, it was science fiction. It was Arnold Schwarzenegger,

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<v Speaker 4>who had finally thrown off the shackles of Sylvester Stallone,

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<v Speaker 4>who was his self appointed action guy of the nineteen eighties.

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<v Speaker 4>Here was somebody who was charismatic and fun and you

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<v Speaker 4>believed him when he was out there fighting it. So

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<v Speaker 4>the fact that he was, as you said, in this

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<v Speaker 4>movie was not only comforting as far as the fact

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<v Speaker 4>that we were going to be delving into sort of

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<v Speaker 4>horror elements of it, but it legitimized the movie in

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<v Speaker 4>our eyes at least. I'm assuming like wholesale anything by

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<v Speaker 4>now Schwarzenegger was touching was fucking gold for us kids.

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<v Speaker 3>He was I'm trying to think he before this was Commando.

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<v Speaker 3>Of course, probably a bunch of other movies like Raw

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<v Speaker 3>Deal probably was for this. This feels I don't have

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<v Speaker 3>it in front of me, but this kind of feels

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<v Speaker 3>like this might have been hit one of his big

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<v Speaker 3>coming out pictures as far as being a big summer blockbuster.

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<v Speaker 4>You know draw right, because look, you and I both

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<v Speaker 4>knew him very well by now, because he was Conan

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<v Speaker 4>the Barbarian. He was also the Terminatorator. Yeah, so like

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<v Speaker 4>that one two punch alone. Not to mention, I'm sure

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<v Speaker 4>you saw the document Did you see the documentary by now?

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<v Speaker 4>Probably not?

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<v Speaker 3>I did not the one on Netflix. I haven't seen it.

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<v Speaker 4>No, I'm talking about like Stay Hungry, I'm talking about

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<v Speaker 4>Pumping Iron. I'm talking about Arnold.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh no, no, I don't get it. I don't misunderstand me.

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<v Speaker 3>I've seen Pumping Iron probably about one hundred and fifty times.

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<v Speaker 3>I love that because he is charisma incarnate in that movie.

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<v Speaker 3>I know years later he claims that a lot of

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<v Speaker 3>it was staged, and it might very well have been.

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<v Speaker 3>There may not have been that sort of rivalry between

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<v Speaker 3>him and Lou Farigno. You know, Lufaigno's dad didn't really

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<v Speaker 3>train him. I don't care. Arnold Schwarzenegger jumps off that

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<v Speaker 3>fucking screen with Pumping Iron. It's astounding how charismatic he is.

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<v Speaker 4>Agreed, But my question was, had you seen it by

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<v Speaker 4>the time you saw.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm sorry, no, I had not seen it before I

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<v Speaker 3>saw Predator, so but I think my knowledge of Arnold

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<v Speaker 3>at this point would have been Terminator. It would have

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<v Speaker 3>been Conan, of course, Conaner the Destroyer. I don't know

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<v Speaker 3>that I got into any of the other sort of

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<v Speaker 3>lesser pictures, but certainly he Commando was a big one.

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<v Speaker 3>Commando was huge on Cable at that point.

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<v Speaker 4>I think Commando settled him for like suburban white American

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<v Speaker 4>boys as an action here and then this movie is

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<v Speaker 4>the movie. I think this is the movie that actually

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<v Speaker 4>breaks him wide as far as crossover appeal for mass audiences,

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<v Speaker 4>because it isn't straight ahead action where they're just hopping

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<v Speaker 4>people's arms off, although it has that, it's got and

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<v Speaker 4>it's not just science fiction fair like we have to

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<v Speaker 4>buy into this far fetched plot like we had with Terminator. Instead,

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<v Speaker 4>it's like the best of all possible worlds. This movie

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<v Speaker 4>is a crazy mashup that works because it's a mashup

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<v Speaker 4>of things that hadn't yet really been done.

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<v Speaker 3>The first quarter of this movie, and I know we'll

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<v Speaker 3>talk about the plot of it, but essentially the first

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<v Speaker 3>quarter of this movie is has really very little to

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<v Speaker 3>do with the Predator himself. It's really about these Special

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<v Speaker 3>Forces operatives coming in to do a search and extraction

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<v Speaker 3>of somebody who's crashed in the jungle in central in

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<v Speaker 3>South America somewhere. So for that first quarter of the movie,

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<v Speaker 3>it basically plays like Commando or like any number of

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<v Speaker 3>action movies, like a Rambo type of movie. It's just

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<v Speaker 3>these guys in the jungle shooting an awful lot of

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<v Speaker 3>round said, a lot of faceless gorilla rebels. So in

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<v Speaker 3>that way, it was brilliant because it gave you what

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<v Speaker 3>you expected from a Schwarzenegger action extravaganza before it started

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<v Speaker 3>layering in all of the horror and science fiction elements.

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<v Speaker 3>I think that's so incredibly astute.

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<v Speaker 4>Not only that, not only did it feel like we

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<v Speaker 4>were getting the generic action movies that we had expected

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<v Speaker 4>from Schwarzenegger up until, but it's also the best directed

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<v Speaker 4>of any of them up until that. Not Terminator, not Conan,

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<v Speaker 4>those are separate. We're talking like when Schwarzenegger became an

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<v Speaker 4>action star and was now going to be doing action movies.

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<v Speaker 4>This one is so superior. Had this just been about

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<v Speaker 4>his team being hunted by another team and not a

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<v Speaker 4>predator from space, this was guaranteed to be an entertaining

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<v Speaker 4>film from beginning to end. It was guaranteed to be

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<v Speaker 4>better than like Raw Deal, his fora to the Italian Mafia.

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<v Speaker 4>This was going to be better than The running Man,

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<v Speaker 4>that was the other big one at the time. And

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<v Speaker 4>that's sci fi all the way. That's capitalizing on Oh hey,

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<v Speaker 4>like this guy, but that movie was garbage. People like it.

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<v Speaker 4>I know you enjoyed it. I'm sure I can watch

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<v Speaker 4>it ironically and enjoy it too, But that's a terrible movie,

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<v Speaker 4>certainly nowhere near the level of Predator. Predators feels like

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<v Speaker 4>a real fucking movie. Predator feels like it could be

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<v Speaker 4>nominated for awards.

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<v Speaker 3>Predator's got better action, it's got better direction, it's got

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<v Speaker 3>a better budget, and it's got it sure as hell,

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<v Speaker 3>has better music, and it's got better acting across the board.

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<v Speaker 3>This movie has it. It's like you said, it's like

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<v Speaker 3>he put everything together at this point, the sort of

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<v Speaker 3>the stuff that would translate to the white suburban kids

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<v Speaker 3>adventure like this. But then what was so incredible, and

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<v Speaker 3>what still blows me away watching it even today is

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<v Speaker 3>the predator stuff, the sci fi stuff, the gore, the

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<v Speaker 3>horror is it blends so effortless, effortlessly it should you

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<v Speaker 3>would think there you'd see scenes where one ends and

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<v Speaker 3>the other begins, but it's so well done, and the

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<v Speaker 3>movie kind of morphs from that Rambo style, let's just

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<v Speaker 3>go into this rebel compound and kill everybody and rescue

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<v Speaker 3>the hostages to oh shit, we're being hunted by something

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<v Speaker 3>that we that's not from this planet. That it's one

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<v Speaker 3>creature that's wiping us all out, and we have to

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<v Speaker 3>figure out a way to Now we're hunted. God, what

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<v Speaker 3>a great movie, Jesus Christ.

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<v Speaker 4>And you know what's funny, because you and I are

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<v Speaker 4>of the same agent from this time period, the idea

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<v Speaker 4>that this kind of a mashup would work at all

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<v Speaker 4>is still foreign in our minds. I think audiences today

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<v Speaker 4>and younger kids today would go, yeah, of course, well, yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>a special he had a Forces team being hunted by

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<v Speaker 4>an alien creature. That makes total sense. But for us

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<v Speaker 4>growing up like that kind of high concept stuff was

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<v Speaker 4>always suspect in the greater sort of pop cultural scene

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<v Speaker 4>like I remember at the same time the movie RoboCop

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<v Speaker 4>coming out Johnson based on that name, people like scoffing

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<v Speaker 4>at it, like that's ridiculous, though, it's just gonna be

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<v Speaker 4>a robot cop. Okay, what else are they going to

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<v Speaker 4>fucking slam together?

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<v Speaker 2>You know? Oh?

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<v Speaker 4>How about this and this? You know, how about fucking

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<v Speaker 4>alien like and a special Forces thing? That's equally stupid.

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<v Speaker 4>And yet maybe they had a point because nobody was

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<v Speaker 4>actually taking it seriously. Nobody was John McTiernan going, We're

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<v Speaker 4>gonna make the fucking greatest action movie.

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<v Speaker 3>Of all time, And by god, he did that.

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<v Speaker 4>He let's talk before I'll let's speak for a second. Sorry,

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<v Speaker 4>but I just don't want to get the stats out

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<v Speaker 4>here because Predator released on June the twelfth, nineteen eighty seven.

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<v Speaker 4>Written by Jim and John Thomas. I've spoken about them

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<v Speaker 4>over on the Weekly Round. You can hear my thing

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<v Speaker 4>about one of the most recent Predator movies. Directed by

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<v Speaker 4>John McTiernan. This movie starred Arnold Schwarzenegger, Carl Weathers, Bill Duke,

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<v Speaker 4>Jesse Ventura, Sonny Landam, Richard Chavez, R. G. Armstrong, Shane Black,

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<v Speaker 4>Kevin Peter Hall as of the Predator and Elpdia Carrillo

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<v Speaker 4>as Anna and uncredited Franco Colombo, savan Oli, Thorston. If

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<v Speaker 4>you're gonna have a Schwarzenegger movie, they're gonna show up somewhere.

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<v Speaker 4>They're going to be in your movie. And the voice

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<v Speaker 4>HP you and I were talking about earlier, the technical

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<v Speaker 4>voice of the Predators Peter Cullen, who is the voice

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<v Speaker 4>of Optimus Prime. He is also doing the vocalizations of

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<v Speaker 4>the Predator. So all of that clickety clacketting you're hearing

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<v Speaker 4>that the Predator is making, that is Peter Cullen attempting

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<v Speaker 4>to replicate the sound of a dying horseshoe crab that

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<v Speaker 4>he had once heard.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, a lot is made. I don't remember the actress,

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<v Speaker 3>but the actress who did the voice of the devil

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<v Speaker 3>in the Exorcist. Do you remember this when Reagan is

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<v Speaker 3>possessed and there was a lot made of the what

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<v Speaker 3>this actress, I don't remember her name, but had to

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<v Speaker 3>do to get this voice to come out the way

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<v Speaker 3>it did? Fuck that? I I until recently when I

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<v Speaker 3>found out that actor did the voice of the Predator.

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<v Speaker 3>If you had told me they did, like a wookie

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<v Speaker 3>thing where they just took sounds of random creatures and

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<v Speaker 3>processed them and mashed them together and did this. I

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<v Speaker 3>would have said, that makes perfect sense. I still have

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<v Speaker 3>no idea how that clickety clacketty sound came out of

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<v Speaker 3>a human throat. It's mystifying to me.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, I'm sure they've manipulated it in some way, but

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<v Speaker 4>you know that now. Yeah, I want to say now

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<v Speaker 4>that you know it, but it is still alien to

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<v Speaker 4>me sounding. It's still a great sound and they've just

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<v Speaker 4>been making variations on it ever since. Because it is

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<v Speaker 4>so specific. You know, when a predator shows up on screen,

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<v Speaker 4>we could be watching an entirely different movie. Speaking of

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<v Speaker 4>like mashups. If I was watching an episod out of

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<v Speaker 4>Sex in the City and I heard that sound and

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<v Speaker 4>be like, oh, fuck, a predator's about to show up

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<v Speaker 4>and kill some people.

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<v Speaker 3>It's chilling. When you hear that sound, you know that

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<v Speaker 3>somebody is probably about to die, that the predator has

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<v Speaker 3>the drop on somebody. It's brilliant. I don't know. I

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<v Speaker 3>think it's amazing that the idea that he had in

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<v Speaker 3>his head for this horseshoe crab business, but it fucking works.

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<v Speaker 3>It's amazing.

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<v Speaker 4>By the way, Mercedes McCambridge is the voice you were

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<v Speaker 4>talking about the Vice of Reagan and yeah in the

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<v Speaker 4>Exorcist and yeah, but I agree, this is much more

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<v Speaker 4>indelible now. This is in. It is inextricably linked to

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<v Speaker 4>the Predator and all thanks to mister Peter Cullins, our

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<v Speaker 4>once and future Optimist Prime. Now I'm gonna have to

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<v Speaker 4>pause here and go let my dog in because she's

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<v Speaker 3>Hold on, okay, face says something I can't even stand it. Oh,

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<v Speaker 3>she is adorable.

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<v Speaker 4>It's a very cute dog. Miss Ripley James making her

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<v Speaker 4>appearance here on Predator Fest for the first time the movie.

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<v Speaker 4>She cannot launch, by the way, because I fucking tried,

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<v Speaker 4>which is oh no. As soon as the fucking Predator

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<v Speaker 4>shows up, it's fucking barking Fest nineteen nineties, nineteen eighty seven.

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<v Speaker 4>It's just like, what is that thing? We gotta kill it.

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<v Speaker 4>This thing is menacing us. It's trying to get us

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<v Speaker 4>from the jungle. Yeah, it's bad news.

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<v Speaker 3>Really, Oh wow, that's crazy.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh, Pugs. Evidently I've been talking to Paul Waller over

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<v Speaker 4>on a year in horror podcast. He also has a pug.

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<v Speaker 4>He can't watch movies with horses because his pug, mister Puggles,

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<v Speaker 4>goes insane for horses.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, Lucy is funny. She just watches TV passively. She

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<v Speaker 3>doesn't seem to care what's on there. But like every

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<v Speaker 3>once in a while we'll get a mouse will be

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<v Speaker 3>in the house, Like right now, I think there's one

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<v Speaker 3>in the wall because I can hear it's critchy scrap

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<v Speaker 3>and if she catches like a if she hears it,

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<v Speaker 3>she's like she starts scratching the wall where it is.

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<v Speaker 3>I think if she could get to it, I think

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<v Speaker 3>she would probably like kill the thing in too.

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<v Speaker 4>Maybe she knows it's not a mouse but a tiny predator.

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<v Speaker 3>Maybe clicking Whish I could do the clicking sound, I

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<v Speaker 3>would have done it right.

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<v Speaker 4>What's the story here? HP?

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<v Speaker 3>So the story is Arnold Schwarzenegger leads. He plays Dutch.

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<v Speaker 3>He leads a team of There are special forces. I

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<v Speaker 3>don't know the exact designation for his team, but there

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<v Speaker 3>are centers.

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<v Speaker 4>They're a black they're a Black Ops team. Obviously they're

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<v Speaker 4>sent into They're a Wetworks special They are the kind

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<v Speaker 4>of thing you'd been hearing about.

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<v Speaker 3>But at the same time he does say like, I

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<v Speaker 3>don't do that kind of work. It's a hostage rescue.

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<v Speaker 3>He's called in. Him and his team are called in

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<v Speaker 3>because he's been told by Carl Weathers's Dylan, who is

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<v Speaker 3>a former comrade who now works for the CIA. He's

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<v Speaker 3>been told that there was a helicopter crash in the

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<v Speaker 3>jungle and they have to go in and rescue these

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<v Speaker 3>like an emissary or something. So they have to who's

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<v Speaker 3>been captured by this gorilla rebel team. So Arnold and

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<v Speaker 3>his group go in. They to rescue these operatives, and

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<v Speaker 3>they soon find out that it's not alway isn't exactly

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<v Speaker 3>what it seems. First of all, they've been they've essentially

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<v Speaker 3>been lied to by the Dylan and the CIA. They're

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<v Speaker 3>not actually there to rescue who they thought they were

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<v Speaker 3>going to have to. But in the midst of all

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<v Speaker 3>of these sort of double crosses, it turns out there's

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<v Speaker 3>this creature, this predator, that is in the jungle that

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<v Speaker 3>is hunting for sport. And because these guys have the

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<v Speaker 3>biggest guns ever made, essentially they're on the predator's radar,

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<v Speaker 3>and the predator starts picking them off, and they have

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<v Speaker 3>to find a way to get to the choppa before

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<v Speaker 3>the predator kills all of them. That's the basic plot

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<v Speaker 3>of this movie. Lean and mean, predator trying to kill them,

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<v Speaker 3>got to get out.

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<v Speaker 4>What is Dylan's actual plot? Then spoil it for everybody.

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<v Speaker 4>Spoil this movie that's forty some odd years old.

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<v Speaker 3>Spoil it. So essentially, they were told that the advisor

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<v Speaker 3>was he was a cabinet minister and his aid. But

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<v Speaker 3>then it turns out the advisor on the chopper was

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<v Speaker 3>actually Cia. And there's also evidence that there's all these

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<v Speaker 3>dead Russian military advisors in the mix, so there's more

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<v Speaker 3>to the story. Dylan has left out all of this

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<v Speaker 3>because he told Dutch what he had to tell him

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<v Speaker 3>to get him into the jungle. But and I think,

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<v Speaker 3>don't if I'm not mistaken. Isn't this reference in another

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<v Speaker 3>Predator where they actually the real purpose for them to

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<v Speaker 3>go into the jungle was like an alien thing where

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<v Speaker 3>aliens think where they were trying to actually capture a predator.

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<v Speaker 3>So they used Arnold's team Dutch's team to try and

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<v Speaker 3>expedite this is.

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<v Speaker 4>That predator too. We discover that the shadowy government that

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<v Speaker 4>would employ a mercenary team like Dutches. I have known

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<v Speaker 4>about the predators for years and have been tracking their

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<v Speaker 4>movements here on Earth, and as you said, are now

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<v Speaker 4>trying to capture one. In Predator two, that the whole

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<v Speaker 4>meat packing sequence where they know the predator is hold

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<v Speaker 4>up at night like they're trying to capture it. There,

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<v Speaker 4>I remember that. But but yeah, my point here is

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<v Speaker 4>what I like about this movie rewatching. What I like

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<v Speaker 4>about it that even though Dylan Carl Weathers has ulterior

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<v Speaker 4>motives here, he's still he's in the dark as anyone

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<v Speaker 4>else is when it comes to the predator. This isn't

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<v Speaker 4>the case of from here on, every time somebody runs

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<v Speaker 4>into a predator there's going to be a government agent

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<v Speaker 4>who's going to be like, we've been watching these guys

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<v Speaker 4>for years, from every single time, and here's the only

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<v Speaker 4>time that they didn't employ it, and it's my favorite

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<v Speaker 4>time because everyone's in the dark.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, no one knows what's going on. Even the guy

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<v Speaker 3>who knows more than he let on at the beginning

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<v Speaker 3>of the movie that this is way out of his purview.

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<v Speaker 3>He could not have fathomed anything like this happening in

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<v Speaker 3>this movie. And actually that's one of the things I

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<v Speaker 3>more watching it now after so many years, is Carl

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00:23:01.039 --> 00:23:05.960
<v Speaker 3>Weather's performance is really good because he has to play

422
00:23:06.319 --> 00:23:09.519
<v Speaker 3>that sort of officious well. First, he has to essentially

423
00:23:09.640 --> 00:23:13.359
<v Speaker 3>pretend that the mission is this when he knows full

424
00:23:13.440 --> 00:23:16.200
<v Speaker 3>well that it's not what he signed Dutch up for.

425
00:23:16.640 --> 00:23:20.920
<v Speaker 3>And Dutch confronts him and there's almost, like I don't

426
00:23:20.920 --> 00:23:24.000
<v Speaker 3>want to say, like a helplessness. But the Weather's plays

427
00:23:24.039 --> 00:23:26.319
<v Speaker 3>it really well, like he's trying to hold it together,

428
00:23:26.839 --> 00:23:30.759
<v Speaker 3>but he can feel this all falling apart every step

429
00:23:30.799 --> 00:23:33.640
<v Speaker 3>of the way because now nobody trusts him once they

430
00:23:33.720 --> 00:23:37.240
<v Speaker 3>realize that he's given them a sham of a story

431
00:23:37.400 --> 00:23:40.319
<v Speaker 3>to get them to go into the jungle, risking everybody's lives.

432
00:23:40.720 --> 00:23:43.440
<v Speaker 3>But then they have to find a way still to

433
00:23:43.559 --> 00:23:47.240
<v Speaker 3>work together because now there's this other force that's closing

434
00:23:47.279 --> 00:23:50.240
<v Speaker 3>in on all of them regardless of this original mission.

435
00:23:50.799 --> 00:23:53.880
<v Speaker 3>So Carl Weathers is really he's underrated in this. I

436
00:23:53.920 --> 00:23:55.720
<v Speaker 3>think I didn't think about that so much when I

437
00:23:55.759 --> 00:23:59.559
<v Speaker 3>first saw it, but he's his part is actually it's

438
00:23:59.599 --> 00:24:01.440
<v Speaker 3>somewhat tricky, and he plays it well.

439
00:24:02.160 --> 00:24:05.039
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, it's a great dynamic to have that they've made

440
00:24:05.160 --> 00:24:09.039
<v Speaker 4>him untrustworthy for the rest of the team, but ultimately

441
00:24:09.119 --> 00:24:11.680
<v Speaker 4>he is trustworthy. He wants to survive just like everybody else.

442
00:24:11.720 --> 00:24:13.680
<v Speaker 4>He's not there for any fucking predator action. He just

443
00:24:13.720 --> 00:24:17.640
<v Speaker 4>wants to fucking get whatever mysterious dossier and get the

444
00:24:17.680 --> 00:24:22.119
<v Speaker 4>fuck out. But and I like that because, as I said,

445
00:24:22.240 --> 00:24:24.480
<v Speaker 4>I hate to keep reiterating it, but like you know,

446
00:24:24.720 --> 00:24:28.000
<v Speaker 4>as soon as aliens would come out, we got the

447
00:24:28.039 --> 00:24:31.759
<v Speaker 4>same sort of idea where Burke is ultimately a company

448
00:24:31.839 --> 00:24:34.359
<v Speaker 4>man trying to get the alien past there. You know,

449
00:24:35.039 --> 00:24:38.440
<v Speaker 4>like you can say that he didn't know what they all, Like,

450
00:24:38.519 --> 00:24:42.480
<v Speaker 4>the company knew those marines were sent in because they

451
00:24:42.559 --> 00:24:44.480
<v Speaker 4>knew full well that their re aliens involved, and they

452
00:24:44.519 --> 00:24:46.279
<v Speaker 4>wanted to take some of those aliens home, and they

453
00:24:46.319 --> 00:24:48.240
<v Speaker 4>didn't care who the fuck got killed in the way.

454
00:24:48.519 --> 00:24:51.759
<v Speaker 4>Here we've got, like you said, poor Carl Weathers just

455
00:24:51.839 --> 00:24:54.799
<v Speaker 4>going like, fuck, these guys don't trust me, But I'm

456
00:24:55.079 --> 00:24:56.599
<v Speaker 4>just as vulnerable as they are.

457
00:24:57.160 --> 00:25:00.240
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and he's almost more vulnerable because they don't trust him.

458
00:25:00.559 --> 00:25:02.799
<v Speaker 3>And not only that, but he has made the decision

459
00:25:02.880 --> 00:25:05.359
<v Speaker 3>after they kill everybody in this rebel camp, there's this

460
00:25:05.519 --> 00:25:08.920
<v Speaker 3>one woman that they that survives that they save this

461
00:25:09.039 --> 00:25:13.440
<v Speaker 3>woman Anna, it's his decision to take her into custody

462
00:25:13.960 --> 00:25:17.000
<v Speaker 3>and trump through the jungle with this, with this, with

463
00:25:17.160 --> 00:25:21.839
<v Speaker 3>this hostile you know, prisoner basically, so he's saddled with her.

464
00:25:22.519 --> 00:25:24.799
<v Speaker 3>It's but the thing about it is ultimately what you're

465
00:25:24.799 --> 00:25:27.599
<v Speaker 3>talking about it. They could have made it that, you know,

466
00:25:27.680 --> 00:25:31.319
<v Speaker 3>it's a government plot to retrieve a predator. But it's

467
00:25:31.440 --> 00:25:36.880
<v Speaker 3>just another example of how lean this script, this story is,

468
00:25:37.000 --> 00:25:38.599
<v Speaker 3>because that would have made that would have added a

469
00:25:38.640 --> 00:25:42.160
<v Speaker 3>little one too many layers of obfuscation to what is

470
00:25:42.359 --> 00:25:46.599
<v Speaker 3>essentially a you know, kill or be killed story. That's

471
00:25:46.680 --> 00:25:49.319
<v Speaker 3>basically what this all boils down to. It's a bunch

472
00:25:49.400 --> 00:25:53.799
<v Speaker 3>of tough army dudes against one state of the art

473
00:25:54.240 --> 00:25:57.920
<v Speaker 3>killing machine of a predator. That's it. There's no business

474
00:25:57.960 --> 00:26:00.119
<v Speaker 3>of them trying to trap it, take it back to

475
00:26:00.160 --> 00:26:02.759
<v Speaker 3>study it, to dissect it. None of that matters. They

476
00:26:02.799 --> 00:26:05.000
<v Speaker 3>just want to get out of the jungle alive. That's

477
00:26:05.079 --> 00:26:09.359
<v Speaker 3>all they want to do. HP name a perfect action

478
00:26:09.839 --> 00:26:12.599
<v Speaker 3>perfect Well, I give you the easy answer. I would

479
00:26:12.599 --> 00:26:16.599
<v Speaker 3>say Predator is the perfect action film. I would say, well,

480
00:26:17.400 --> 00:26:18.759
<v Speaker 3>I have to think about it. A little bit. I

481
00:26:18.960 --> 00:26:21.519
<v Speaker 3>was gonnas, let me think, give me a minute, Give

482
00:26:21.559 --> 00:26:24.480
<v Speaker 3>me a minute, I am. I guess could you? Could you?

483
00:26:24.599 --> 00:26:27.440
<v Speaker 3>I would say Raiders of the Lost Arc is a

484
00:26:27.440 --> 00:26:28.359
<v Speaker 3>perfect action film.

485
00:26:28.720 --> 00:26:29.480
<v Speaker 4>Perfect action.

486
00:26:29.920 --> 00:26:32.960
<v Speaker 3>I would say that would I'll leave it there. I

487
00:26:33.039 --> 00:26:35.000
<v Speaker 3>could sit here and think around the haw, but that's it.

488
00:26:35.359 --> 00:26:37.119
<v Speaker 4>Right around the same time as Predator, we had a

489
00:26:37.200 --> 00:26:39.960
<v Speaker 4>film called die Hard. I would consider that a perfect

490
00:26:40.000 --> 00:26:40.640
<v Speaker 4>action film.

491
00:26:40.839 --> 00:26:42.640
<v Speaker 3>How could I not have thought about that? That's Mac tiernan.

492
00:26:42.920 --> 00:26:47.079
<v Speaker 3>That is the quintessential summer blockbuster action film. I take

493
00:26:47.119 --> 00:26:49.160
<v Speaker 3>it back. Die Hard is the perfect movie.

494
00:26:49.359 --> 00:26:53.200
<v Speaker 4>When I think about Cold War thriller action films, I

495
00:26:53.240 --> 00:26:55.839
<v Speaker 4>would say a perfect example of that might be The

496
00:26:56.000 --> 00:26:57.079
<v Speaker 4>Hunt for Red October.

497
00:26:57.480 --> 00:27:00.440
<v Speaker 3>If you're looking for something with comedy, I would and

498
00:27:00.519 --> 00:27:04.839
<v Speaker 3>it's maybe straining the action moniker. I would say, Back

499
00:27:04.880 --> 00:27:07.039
<v Speaker 3>to the Future is the perfect action comedy.

500
00:27:07.400 --> 00:27:09.799
<v Speaker 4>That's a perfect film as well. Yeah, the script is perfect.

501
00:27:10.039 --> 00:27:13.000
<v Speaker 4>You know there are several point being of the like

502
00:27:13.160 --> 00:27:15.440
<v Speaker 4>five we just mentioned, Two of those were or three

503
00:27:15.519 --> 00:27:18.839
<v Speaker 4>were directed by John McTiernan. John McTiernan, yep, who is

504
00:27:18.960 --> 00:27:22.680
<v Speaker 4>our director or Predator, and for a while, man, he

505
00:27:22.920 --> 00:27:28.039
<v Speaker 4>just could do no wrong. Unfortunately, his interest led us

506
00:27:28.160 --> 00:27:30.759
<v Speaker 4>back to the Jungle with fucking Sean Connery and that

507
00:27:31.000 --> 00:27:35.160
<v Speaker 4>god awful Medicine Man movie, which was a total fumble.

508
00:27:35.799 --> 00:27:39.400
<v Speaker 4>But I would say prior to this film, his only

509
00:27:39.480 --> 00:27:42.000
<v Speaker 4>other film at the time was a film called Nomads

510
00:27:42.359 --> 00:27:45.960
<v Speaker 4>starring Pierce Brosnan and Adam Ant and Mary Warnoff and

511
00:27:46.480 --> 00:27:51.799
<v Speaker 4>I think Kate Nelligan, and that is a tiny independent

512
00:27:51.920 --> 00:27:56.359
<v Speaker 4>horror movie and it doesn't make any sense. The plot

513
00:27:56.519 --> 00:28:00.680
<v Speaker 4>is weird, Pierce Brosnan is doing a bizarre friend accent,

514
00:28:01.079 --> 00:28:04.000
<v Speaker 4>and yet it's one of the most atmospheric movies that

515
00:28:04.400 --> 00:28:07.319
<v Speaker 4>lives with me. It feels like a Michael Mann film.

516
00:28:07.359 --> 00:28:10.119
<v Speaker 4>If Michael Mann had been interested in the supernatural, that

517
00:28:10.279 --> 00:28:14.839
<v Speaker 4>would be Nomad's. So it's a weird choice to take

518
00:28:14.960 --> 00:28:17.960
<v Speaker 4>that guy and go now, let's give him an Arnold

519
00:28:18.000 --> 00:28:22.559
<v Speaker 4>Schwarzen action movie set in a jungle with a fucking alien. Nevertheless,

520
00:28:23.200 --> 00:28:27.119
<v Speaker 4>whoever did it, bravo because he just kept knocking him

521
00:28:27.119 --> 00:28:29.160
<v Speaker 4>out of the park from there on out three movies

522
00:28:29.200 --> 00:28:29.559
<v Speaker 4>in a row.

523
00:28:30.759 --> 00:28:33.160
<v Speaker 3>You've spoken your praises of Nomads in the past, and

524
00:28:33.279 --> 00:28:35.519
<v Speaker 3>that's another one I have to hop on. I also

525
00:28:35.599 --> 00:28:38.359
<v Speaker 3>will say recently, I'd say maybe a couple of years ago.

526
00:28:38.400 --> 00:28:41.279
<v Speaker 3>I finally I happened to be. I was actually in Ireland,

527
00:28:41.319 --> 00:28:44.279
<v Speaker 3>of all plays, dealing with a severe case of jet lag.

528
00:28:44.359 --> 00:28:46.240
<v Speaker 3>I thought I was going crazy, and I'm in my

529
00:28:46.319 --> 00:28:49.039
<v Speaker 3>hotel room and they happen to be showing on a

530
00:28:49.119 --> 00:28:53.119
<v Speaker 3>loop The Thomas Crown Affair, which the remake which he

531
00:28:53.279 --> 00:28:56.519
<v Speaker 3>did in nineteen ninety nine. Have you seen it, father blahlone?

532
00:28:56.799 --> 00:28:57.240
<v Speaker 5>I have not.

533
00:28:57.559 --> 00:28:59.839
<v Speaker 4>I was such an adherent to that original film that

534
00:29:00.079 --> 00:29:04.880
<v Speaker 4>I could not see myself. Wait, isn't it Pierce Brosnan, Yes, oh,

535
00:29:05.039 --> 00:29:08.359
<v Speaker 4>from Nomad's Shit. I should probably it's good.

536
00:29:08.559 --> 00:29:10.960
<v Speaker 3>It's real good. It's everything you want out of a

537
00:29:11.039 --> 00:29:13.799
<v Speaker 3>caper movie. And he was he still I would say

538
00:29:13.839 --> 00:29:15.799
<v Speaker 3>mc tierney, and still had his Fastball he had just

539
00:29:15.880 --> 00:29:18.240
<v Speaker 3>come off of. I think he had done the last

540
00:29:18.440 --> 00:29:20.319
<v Speaker 3>die Hard. He did die Hard with a Vengeance.

541
00:29:20.480 --> 00:29:22.839
<v Speaker 4>I like that one. That one's good.

542
00:29:22.960 --> 00:29:25.119
<v Speaker 3>I like that too, So I don't I think it

543
00:29:25.240 --> 00:29:28.400
<v Speaker 3>was probably right around I want to say Rollerball where

544
00:29:28.519 --> 00:29:31.599
<v Speaker 3>the wheels really came off. Unfortunately, I think he did

545
00:29:31.680 --> 00:29:34.079
<v Speaker 3>prison time. I think he was involved in that whole

546
00:29:34.440 --> 00:29:40.519
<v Speaker 3>Pelicano wiretapping situation. But boy, oh boy, he really like

547
00:29:40.640 --> 00:29:44.440
<v Speaker 3>you said. Everything he touched for a while turned to gold.

548
00:29:45.039 --> 00:29:48.440
<v Speaker 3>He was the summer blockbuster director du jour.

549
00:29:48.839 --> 00:29:51.400
<v Speaker 4>Look, the Last Action Hero was garbage. I don't care

550
00:29:51.559 --> 00:29:54.759
<v Speaker 4>what people say. It's not some mysterious work of genius.

551
00:29:54.880 --> 00:29:57.720
<v Speaker 4>It's not. It's a bunch of people fumbling. It's a

552
00:29:57.759 --> 00:30:03.319
<v Speaker 4>bunch of people in the midst of a film movement

553
00:30:03.960 --> 00:30:07.160
<v Speaker 4>trying to satirize that film movement. You can't do it

554
00:30:07.319 --> 00:30:07.839
<v Speaker 4>from within.

555
00:30:08.559 --> 00:30:12.319
<v Speaker 3>I will disagree to a point. I like that. I

556
00:30:12.519 --> 00:30:14.640
<v Speaker 3>like Last Action I liked it when I saw it.

557
00:30:14.880 --> 00:30:17.720
<v Speaker 3>I rewatched it maybe a few years ago. I enjoyed it.

558
00:30:17.920 --> 00:30:20.279
<v Speaker 3>I'm not going to sit here and say that to

559
00:30:20.400 --> 00:30:23.079
<v Speaker 3>your point that it's like this secretly one of the

560
00:30:23.119 --> 00:30:26.599
<v Speaker 3>greatest satires of action cinema there ever was, I'm not

561
00:30:26.680 --> 00:30:29.319
<v Speaker 3>going to go that far. I'm saying, like, it's actually

562
00:30:29.400 --> 00:30:33.480
<v Speaker 3>remarkable that they got like the pre eminent action director

563
00:30:34.160 --> 00:30:38.160
<v Speaker 3>to direct this satire. I think that's the true genius

564
00:30:38.240 --> 00:30:40.920
<v Speaker 3>of But that's discussion a different day.

565
00:30:40.920 --> 00:30:43.119
<v Speaker 4>And we're going to have to obviously watch the movie

566
00:30:43.160 --> 00:30:45.240
<v Speaker 4>and talk about it in depth. But here's what I'll say,

567
00:30:45.440 --> 00:30:49.240
<v Speaker 4>without having really delved back into it, since I basically

568
00:30:49.319 --> 00:30:53.680
<v Speaker 4>saw it and I agree with you that the audaciousness

569
00:30:54.160 --> 00:30:59.000
<v Speaker 4>of Shane Black writing an evisceration of how bloated and

570
00:30:59.200 --> 00:31:02.799
<v Speaker 4>crazy act films have become, and then directed by the

571
00:31:02.880 --> 00:31:06.319
<v Speaker 4>guy who really spearheaded it. Everything after Diehard was die

572
00:31:06.400 --> 00:31:09.200
<v Speaker 4>Hard in a Blah blah blah. So that's the movie

573
00:31:09.240 --> 00:31:10.960
<v Speaker 4>that was being pitched over and over again. So you

574
00:31:11.119 --> 00:31:16.799
<v Speaker 4>had the two architects of this insanity, and now they're

575
00:31:17.359 --> 00:31:19.599
<v Speaker 4>going to make fun of it. I agree, that's great.

576
00:31:19.720 --> 00:31:22.680
<v Speaker 4>I just don't think they It's not that they didn't have.

577
00:31:22.839 --> 00:31:23.039
<v Speaker 6>Look.

578
00:31:23.079 --> 00:31:25.640
<v Speaker 4>First of all, McTiernan is not a comedy director. Whatever

579
00:31:25.720 --> 00:31:28.359
<v Speaker 4>it is. The action stuff works in that movie fantasm.

580
00:31:28.400 --> 00:31:30.200
<v Speaker 4>Why are we talking about this? I'm gonna I'm just

581
00:31:30.279 --> 00:31:33.000
<v Speaker 4>let me finish this. The action stuff is great, the

582
00:31:33.400 --> 00:31:37.799
<v Speaker 4>comedy stuff is okay, And I don't know, we're gonna

583
00:31:37.799 --> 00:31:39.519
<v Speaker 4>have to watch that over it. But A Predator is

584
00:31:39.960 --> 00:31:42.599
<v Speaker 4>it's worth discussing because it's Swarzenegger and McTiernan, and right

585
00:31:42.640 --> 00:31:44.440
<v Speaker 4>now we're talking about Schwarzenegger and mcteern.

586
00:31:45.079 --> 00:31:48.559
<v Speaker 3>Correct. It's hard to talk about the arc of McTiernan

587
00:31:48.640 --> 00:31:51.519
<v Speaker 3>without talking about that. But that's week. Let's stick with Predator.

588
00:31:51.799 --> 00:31:53.720
<v Speaker 4>Let us stick with Predator, and let's talk about the

589
00:31:53.799 --> 00:31:56.680
<v Speaker 4>cast Predator beyond mister Schwarzenegger and mister carr Weathers. What

590
00:31:56.759 --> 00:31:59.039
<v Speaker 4>a fucking team, man, What a bunch of misfits? What

591
00:31:59.119 --> 00:32:02.480
<v Speaker 4>a motley? Who's your favorite? Who's your favorite on this team?

592
00:32:02.720 --> 00:32:03.279
<v Speaker 4>I have mine?

593
00:32:03.359 --> 00:32:06.720
<v Speaker 3>Ooh, really, you're hitting me with all kinds of good questions,

594
00:32:08.039 --> 00:32:09.960
<v Speaker 3>you know who. I don't know that there's one favorite.

595
00:32:09.960 --> 00:32:12.039
<v Speaker 3>If I have to pick a favorite, if you're forcing

596
00:32:12.079 --> 00:32:15.920
<v Speaker 3>me to, I mac. I like Bill Duke. He seems

597
00:32:16.960 --> 00:32:21.079
<v Speaker 3>to me, he feels like one of the more genuine guys.

598
00:32:21.440 --> 00:32:24.000
<v Speaker 3>Like it's easy to point to a jesse Ventura and

599
00:32:24.200 --> 00:32:27.359
<v Speaker 3>this big, muscle bound dude with a bandana and a

600
00:32:27.640 --> 00:32:32.480
<v Speaker 3>giant gun. But Bill Duke just feels like a real

601
00:32:32.599 --> 00:32:35.480
<v Speaker 3>soldier to me in some ways. And he's so weird

602
00:32:36.039 --> 00:32:40.000
<v Speaker 3>in this he you know, he when he goes nuts

603
00:32:40.240 --> 00:32:45.039
<v Speaker 3>after spoiler alert, Blaine jesse Ventura's character is killed, he

604
00:32:45.160 --> 00:32:48.759
<v Speaker 3>goes he basically just loses his mind and he never

605
00:32:48.880 --> 00:32:51.279
<v Speaker 3>really gets it back until, you know, for the rest

606
00:32:51.319 --> 00:32:54.720
<v Speaker 3>of his time in the movie. But he's quiet, he's

607
00:32:54.759 --> 00:32:57.920
<v Speaker 3>soft spoken, he's got that razor that he's always that's

608
00:32:58.000 --> 00:33:01.160
<v Speaker 3>his thing. He's always dry shave his face with a

609
00:33:01.240 --> 00:33:04.480
<v Speaker 3>disposable razor for some reason, I don't know.

610
00:33:04.559 --> 00:33:05.119
<v Speaker 4>I love Mac.

611
00:33:05.160 --> 00:33:06.000
<v Speaker 3>Who's your favorite?

612
00:33:06.319 --> 00:33:09.279
<v Speaker 4>Mac is like the Sphinx character. He's like he comes

613
00:33:09.319 --> 00:33:13.599
<v Speaker 4>off as wyse like and all knowing, like characters who

614
00:33:13.640 --> 00:33:16.359
<v Speaker 4>are you know that say less and less during the

615
00:33:16.440 --> 00:33:17.960
<v Speaker 4>course of a movie. You tend to look like what

616
00:33:18.359 --> 00:33:19.319
<v Speaker 4>is going on with them?

617
00:33:19.799 --> 00:33:22.440
<v Speaker 3>But they wanted they want Billy to be that because

618
00:33:22.440 --> 00:33:25.119
<v Speaker 3>he's all missed the goal and he can hear sense

619
00:33:25.240 --> 00:33:28.039
<v Speaker 3>things that no one else can sense. But for my money,

620
00:33:28.160 --> 00:33:28.880
<v Speaker 3>Mac is the guy.

621
00:33:29.119 --> 00:33:32.079
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, you mean Billy the Mystical Indian.

622
00:33:34.000 --> 00:33:36.680
<v Speaker 3>Coincidentally the same name that he had in forty eight Hours.

623
00:33:36.720 --> 00:33:38.920
<v Speaker 3>He was Billy Bear, same actor.

624
00:33:38.720 --> 00:33:41.279
<v Speaker 4>Billy Barry and this is sunny Land. But I think

625
00:33:41.680 --> 00:33:44.440
<v Speaker 4>they lean away from that. They're really not trafficking so

626
00:33:44.599 --> 00:33:46.759
<v Speaker 4>much in the Mystical Indian thing. They're just saying he's

627
00:33:46.759 --> 00:33:49.279
<v Speaker 4>a tracker because he's a tracker. Okay, look, he's a

628
00:33:49.359 --> 00:33:50.640
<v Speaker 4>tracker and he's great at it.

629
00:33:50.759 --> 00:33:53.920
<v Speaker 3>But I I if we're looking at, you know, someone

630
00:33:53.960 --> 00:33:56.400
<v Speaker 3>who has a little bit of a weird sixth sense,

631
00:33:56.519 --> 00:33:59.720
<v Speaker 3>he's the guy, whereas Mac is just a soldier. He

632
00:33:59.759 --> 00:34:02.759
<v Speaker 3>does have any special abilities. He's not carrying a giant,

633
00:34:02.839 --> 00:34:07.359
<v Speaker 3>fucking mini gun like Blaine. He's just a great soldier.

634
00:34:08.000 --> 00:34:11.800
<v Speaker 4>And you're right, he does feel real because these people

635
00:34:11.880 --> 00:34:15.679
<v Speaker 4>in real life are serious human beings, and several of

636
00:34:15.760 --> 00:34:18.360
<v Speaker 4>them are going to be very soft spoken and never

637
00:34:19.039 --> 00:34:21.800
<v Speaker 4>tip their hat or tip their hand in any direction.

638
00:34:22.119 --> 00:34:24.039
<v Speaker 4>So it's good to have one of those. And Bill

639
00:34:24.119 --> 00:34:27.599
<v Speaker 4>Duke sells that, like, you know, he is a serious

640
00:34:27.840 --> 00:34:30.199
<v Speaker 4>contender and you would not want to fuck with him

641
00:34:30.239 --> 00:34:32.800
<v Speaker 4>in any way, shape or form. Side note, I once

642
00:34:32.920 --> 00:34:34.719
<v Speaker 4>ran into Bill Duke at a movie theater that I

643
00:34:34.840 --> 00:34:36.960
<v Speaker 4>was working in. Came in to watch a movie and

644
00:34:37.079 --> 00:34:40.039
<v Speaker 4>he's like, I'm six three and he dwarfed me and

645
00:34:40.119 --> 00:34:41.519
<v Speaker 4>he was a mountain of a man.

646
00:34:42.000 --> 00:34:45.000
<v Speaker 3>That's all serious dude, and a great director too.

647
00:34:44.960 --> 00:34:50.400
<v Speaker 4>Great director, Rage and Harlem everybody. Okay, so who's your favorite?

648
00:34:50.840 --> 00:34:54.119
<v Speaker 4>My favorite character when I saw the movie and for

649
00:34:54.239 --> 00:34:57.159
<v Speaker 4>years and years was Jesse Ventura. I just loved how

650
00:34:57.239 --> 00:35:00.480
<v Speaker 4>comic book he was. Yeah, I love that, Like when

651
00:35:00.960 --> 00:35:05.079
<v Speaker 4>we first meet him and like it's basically him racking that. No,

652
00:35:05.199 --> 00:35:07.360
<v Speaker 4>we don't first meet him, but once when the mini

653
00:35:07.480 --> 00:35:10.400
<v Speaker 4>gun is introduced. First of all, nobody had ever done

654
00:35:10.440 --> 00:35:12.920
<v Speaker 4>that in the movie before, we had seen maybe miniguns

655
00:35:12.960 --> 00:35:15.880
<v Speaker 4>attached to the signs of helicopters. No one was total

656
00:35:15.880 --> 00:35:18.239
<v Speaker 4>in one around, and it was only a matter of

657
00:35:18.360 --> 00:35:23.039
<v Speaker 4>time between for either Schwarzenegger or Sylvester Stallone. We're going

658
00:35:23.079 --> 00:35:25.519
<v Speaker 4>to tote a minigun around. Turns out it would be

659
00:35:25.559 --> 00:35:29.639
<v Speaker 4>Schwarzenegger and Terminator too. But I loved that it was

660
00:35:29.760 --> 00:35:35.639
<v Speaker 4>this minor character played by just you know. I loved

661
00:35:35.800 --> 00:35:38.559
<v Speaker 4>Jesse Ventur. I love Jesse the Body Ventur as a wrestler,

662
00:35:38.760 --> 00:35:40.960
<v Speaker 4>I thought he was a He was a fantastic heel

663
00:35:41.239 --> 00:35:45.920
<v Speaker 4>and an even better commentator, and so that made me

664
00:35:46.119 --> 00:35:50.360
<v Speaker 4>really happy that this was his big introductory film role.

665
00:35:50.920 --> 00:35:52.800
<v Speaker 3>But he wasn't running man, Yeah.

666
00:35:52.679 --> 00:35:54.199
<v Speaker 4>He wasn't running. But he's in it for like two

667
00:35:54.239 --> 00:35:57.000
<v Speaker 4>seconds and then he gets his ass kicked by not Schwarzenegger.

668
00:35:57.320 --> 00:36:01.400
<v Speaker 4>Here was heroic Jesse the Body of Torah, and it's

669
00:36:01.480 --> 00:36:06.119
<v Speaker 4>a badass weapon and he gets all the coolest line.

670
00:36:06.400 --> 00:36:09.039
<v Speaker 4>Ain't got time to bleed, I ain't got time to bleed.

671
00:36:09.199 --> 00:36:12.480
<v Speaker 4>What a fucking line we burrowed in like an Alabama tic.

672
00:36:12.880 --> 00:36:16.719
<v Speaker 4>He's great here son of him is put make you

673
00:36:16.840 --> 00:36:20.719
<v Speaker 4>a sexual tyrannosaur like me, he's great here. But my

674
00:36:21.079 --> 00:36:27.960
<v Speaker 4>favorite character, not Dutch, not Dylan, is probably this fucking

675
00:36:28.000 --> 00:36:30.880
<v Speaker 4>Shane Black character just because what the joe? What is

676
00:36:31.599 --> 00:36:34.880
<v Speaker 4>what is happening here? Like how has he not been

677
00:36:34.960 --> 00:36:36.239
<v Speaker 4>squashed by somebody?

678
00:36:36.360 --> 00:36:36.480
<v Speaker 2>Right?

679
00:36:36.800 --> 00:36:41.000
<v Speaker 4>Like clearly they like look sunny Landam likes him, Billy

680
00:36:41.079 --> 00:36:43.320
<v Speaker 4>Bear likes him, but then Billy Bear seems to laugh

681
00:36:43.360 --> 00:36:46.599
<v Speaker 4>at everything, so it's not like he finds this level

682
00:36:46.639 --> 00:36:50.239
<v Speaker 4>of pussy jokes really hilarious or anything. And does he

683
00:36:50.400 --> 00:36:53.280
<v Speaker 4>have another gear? Like is it like do you think

684
00:36:53.400 --> 00:36:55.880
<v Speaker 4>like on this mission it's pussy jokes like before it

685
00:36:56.000 --> 00:36:58.039
<v Speaker 4>was like father in lawn jokes or something, or like

686
00:36:58.239 --> 00:37:00.480
<v Speaker 4>before it was like, you know, I don't know.

687
00:37:00.719 --> 00:37:03.360
<v Speaker 3>Every mission he picks a different topic.

688
00:37:03.239 --> 00:37:05.599
<v Speaker 4>And goes with it like what is it this time?

689
00:37:05.679 --> 00:37:05.840
<v Speaker 5>Man?

690
00:37:06.039 --> 00:37:08.199
<v Speaker 4>Like I'll tell you what, man, this kid I got

691
00:37:08.239 --> 00:37:12.000
<v Speaker 4>a new kid at home arena to deal with their

692
00:37:14.960 --> 00:37:16.320
<v Speaker 4>we don't want to hear. But by the way, we

693
00:37:16.360 --> 00:37:19.119
<v Speaker 4>don't want to hear your fucking kid material anymore. None

694
00:37:19.119 --> 00:37:21.480
<v Speaker 4>of us have kids. Man, we're still mercenaries even though

695
00:37:21.519 --> 00:37:24.000
<v Speaker 4>you have a child, Like do the airplane food this time?

696
00:37:24.440 --> 00:37:26.840
<v Speaker 3>So what I read doing a little bit of research.

697
00:37:26.960 --> 00:37:29.320
<v Speaker 3>Is part of the reason why mc tiernan wanted Shane

698
00:37:29.400 --> 00:37:33.000
<v Speaker 3>Black to play this character is because he wanted a

699
00:37:33.199 --> 00:37:36.480
<v Speaker 3>writer to be on the set with him in case

700
00:37:36.639 --> 00:37:38.960
<v Speaker 3>anything came up with the script or anything had to

701
00:37:39.000 --> 00:37:42.320
<v Speaker 3>be rewritten or restyled. He wanted Shane Black there. I

702
00:37:42.360 --> 00:37:44.679
<v Speaker 3>think that to me that kind of because he doesn't

703
00:37:44.679 --> 00:37:49.239
<v Speaker 3>really do much in this He he makes those terrible jokes,

704
00:37:49.719 --> 00:37:52.800
<v Speaker 3>which is funny, but he's just a nerd, like he

705
00:37:52.880 --> 00:37:57.440
<v Speaker 3>doesn't really fit in with Jesse Ventura or Sonny Landam

706
00:37:57.519 --> 00:37:59.639
<v Speaker 3>or Bill Duke. He's you know, he's got those giant

707
00:38:00.119 --> 00:38:03.920
<v Speaker 3>geek glasses and everything. You know, it's inexplicable.

708
00:38:04.440 --> 00:38:06.639
<v Speaker 4>Well, I gotta say honestly, at the time when I

709
00:38:06.679 --> 00:38:08.679
<v Speaker 4>saw the movie, I had no idea it was screenwriter

710
00:38:08.840 --> 00:38:10.960
<v Speaker 4>Shane Black. I thought like, Wow, they've got like a

711
00:38:11.079 --> 00:38:14.719
<v Speaker 4>nerd on there, and I gotta say, hv The thought

712
00:38:14.800 --> 00:38:17.960
<v Speaker 4>that followed was he must be a real fucking badass

713
00:38:18.280 --> 00:38:21.320
<v Speaker 4>because he's hanging with these guys and they're tolerating him,

714
00:38:21.519 --> 00:38:25.239
<v Speaker 4>and he's annoying and they're tolerating him like he's got

715
00:38:25.360 --> 00:38:28.000
<v Speaker 4>to have something special. I'm sad that he doesn't get

716
00:38:28.039 --> 00:38:29.719
<v Speaker 4>a moment really in the movie.

717
00:38:30.239 --> 00:38:32.960
<v Speaker 3>He does get one moment, a brief moment when they're

718
00:38:33.000 --> 00:38:35.960
<v Speaker 3>on the helicopter on their way to the rendezvous or whatever.

719
00:38:36.400 --> 00:38:39.880
<v Speaker 3>He's reading like a map or something very intently and

720
00:38:40.599 --> 00:38:44.159
<v Speaker 3>I think, I think Poncho. He smiles at somebody and says,

721
00:38:44.199 --> 00:38:45.679
<v Speaker 3>look what I'm gonna do, and he has a ball

722
00:38:45.760 --> 00:38:47.719
<v Speaker 3>in his hand or something like apple or a ball,

723
00:38:48.239 --> 00:38:51.440
<v Speaker 3>and he throws it at Shane Black's character, thinking like

724
00:38:51.920 --> 00:38:53.599
<v Speaker 3>he's gonna hit him in the head or something, but

725
00:38:53.760 --> 00:38:56.760
<v Speaker 3>not even looking up from the map. Shane Black like

726
00:38:57.280 --> 00:38:59.840
<v Speaker 3>kind of snatches this thing out of the air without

727
00:38:59.880 --> 00:39:03.119
<v Speaker 3>he thinking about it. So they lead you to believe that, wow,

728
00:39:03.159 --> 00:39:06.760
<v Speaker 3>this guy is like has preternatural reflexes and maybe he'll

729
00:39:06.800 --> 00:39:09.440
<v Speaker 3>be some other like badass. That's his talent.

730
00:39:09.840 --> 00:39:12.360
<v Speaker 4>That's my point. We get to see a taste of it,

731
00:39:12.480 --> 00:39:14.559
<v Speaker 4>but we never see it in action when he never

732
00:39:14.639 --> 00:39:18.519
<v Speaker 4>gets a moment to like do that before he's unceremoniously

733
00:39:18.639 --> 00:39:21.800
<v Speaker 4>wasted by the predator and it's and he's one of

734
00:39:21.840 --> 00:39:24.719
<v Speaker 4>the first to go, and he's one of the obvious

735
00:39:24.840 --> 00:39:26.800
<v Speaker 4>first to go, like I would have preferred him to

736
00:39:27.039 --> 00:39:29.840
<v Speaker 4>go like third or fourth in the line. You know

737
00:39:29.880 --> 00:39:32.920
<v Speaker 4>what I mean, at least show us why this guy

738
00:39:33.079 --> 00:39:34.840
<v Speaker 4>is part of the team other than he has fast

739
00:39:34.920 --> 00:39:36.280
<v Speaker 4>reflexes and can riad a map.

740
00:39:37.079 --> 00:39:38.960
<v Speaker 3>He is the first of the team to go.

741
00:39:39.480 --> 00:39:41.320
<v Speaker 4>Well, there you go, all the more reasons shouldn't he

742
00:39:41.360 --> 00:39:44.079
<v Speaker 4>have saved the girl with his lightning fast reflexes.

743
00:39:44.719 --> 00:39:47.000
<v Speaker 3>It's it is pretty brutal when he goes. It actually

744
00:39:47.079 --> 00:39:49.679
<v Speaker 3>is a pretty shocking thing because he's trying to reason

745
00:39:49.800 --> 00:39:53.199
<v Speaker 3>with Anna with this prisoner that they have, and in

746
00:39:53.280 --> 00:39:55.559
<v Speaker 3>the midst of it, the predator shoots him with that

747
00:39:55.719 --> 00:39:58.440
<v Speaker 3>laser and it's one of those shots, like great shots,

748
00:39:58.440 --> 00:40:02.199
<v Speaker 3>where she gets splattered with all and she's immediately shell

749
00:40:02.280 --> 00:40:04.880
<v Speaker 3>shocked because she's, you know what, just know what she's witnessed.

750
00:40:05.039 --> 00:40:08.320
<v Speaker 3>It's actually a really cool scene. Of course, he gets

751
00:40:08.639 --> 00:40:12.320
<v Speaker 3>tooted away to become a trophy, but but his it

752
00:40:12.480 --> 00:40:16.599
<v Speaker 3>serves a purpose. It shows you how completely like over

753
00:40:16.679 --> 00:40:20.039
<v Speaker 3>the top violent this predator. He's not playing games. He's

754
00:40:20.079 --> 00:40:22.039
<v Speaker 3>gonna he's gonna shoot you dead.

755
00:40:22.119 --> 00:40:24.360
<v Speaker 4>Immediately they were skinned alive.

756
00:40:25.199 --> 00:40:27.239
<v Speaker 3>See that, you know, that's the wee. I actually want

757
00:40:27.239 --> 00:40:29.480
<v Speaker 3>to ask about that, but I forgot that there was

758
00:40:29.519 --> 00:40:32.159
<v Speaker 3>all this business of them finding them skinned alive and

759
00:40:32.199 --> 00:40:35.159
<v Speaker 3>all this stuff. I don't remember that so much in

760
00:40:36.360 --> 00:40:38.920
<v Speaker 3>some of the later pictures. I think it's in Predator too,

761
00:40:39.360 --> 00:40:42.639
<v Speaker 3>but they never do that. In Predator and Pray, for example,

762
00:40:42.840 --> 00:40:45.400
<v Speaker 3>they whax over that that he just rips the skull

763
00:40:45.480 --> 00:40:47.800
<v Speaker 3>out and that's it. He doesn't have to skin them.

764
00:40:48.159 --> 00:40:52.920
<v Speaker 4>Over time, we've decided that the predator wants the skull

765
00:40:53.280 --> 00:40:55.840
<v Speaker 4>and part of the spine and nothing else, and that

766
00:40:56.039 --> 00:41:00.800
<v Speaker 4>the skinning of it, while haunted how scary for the

767
00:41:00.880 --> 00:41:03.800
<v Speaker 4>first film that they would they go to find their

768
00:41:03.840 --> 00:41:05.960
<v Speaker 4>contacts and they're all hung up and they've all been

769
00:41:06.000 --> 00:41:09.719
<v Speaker 4>eviscerated like as if a hunting trophy or you know,

770
00:41:09.960 --> 00:41:12.280
<v Speaker 4>like a hunter would do, because they're going to eat it.

771
00:41:12.800 --> 00:41:15.920
<v Speaker 4>Like the skinning of it makes it seem like that's

772
00:41:16.079 --> 00:41:17.920
<v Speaker 4>on the table. Literally.

773
00:41:18.320 --> 00:41:22.559
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, but it is a horrifying tableau when they happen

774
00:41:22.679 --> 00:41:25.440
<v Speaker 3>upon these because they effectively they find the crew of

775
00:41:25.480 --> 00:41:29.280
<v Speaker 3>this helicopter that they're searching for and they've been as

776
00:41:29.320 --> 00:41:34.039
<v Speaker 3>you say, skinned alive and hung up like like a game. Basically,

777
00:41:34.480 --> 00:41:36.679
<v Speaker 3>it is a horrifying image and it makes you think,

778
00:41:36.760 --> 00:41:39.599
<v Speaker 3>holy shit, like what this is? What's going to happen?

779
00:41:39.639 --> 00:41:40.360
<v Speaker 3>To these guys.

780
00:41:40.639 --> 00:41:42.360
<v Speaker 4>Well, and the thing is, you know, we get the

781
00:41:42.440 --> 00:41:46.199
<v Speaker 4>moment here where he takes the skull and basically polishes it,

782
00:41:46.360 --> 00:41:47.920
<v Speaker 4>and you know, he goes, oh, this is going to

783
00:41:47.960 --> 00:41:51.840
<v Speaker 4>look nice back at home, so we get we get

784
00:41:51.880 --> 00:41:54.920
<v Speaker 4>the eventual thing like this, he's collecting trophies. He's a

785
00:41:55.000 --> 00:41:59.440
<v Speaker 4>hunter collecting trophies, and the body is useless to him.

786
00:41:59.719 --> 00:42:02.280
<v Speaker 4>So I think just going forward in the movies, they

787
00:42:02.320 --> 00:42:04.360
<v Speaker 4>were like, let's just get to the fucking skull and

788
00:42:04.400 --> 00:42:06.840
<v Speaker 4>the fucking pulling off the spine, because who cares about

789
00:42:06.880 --> 00:42:09.840
<v Speaker 4>this other shit, you know, like it served its purpose

790
00:42:09.880 --> 00:42:11.719
<v Speaker 4>here in the first movie. But I think if they

791
00:42:11.760 --> 00:42:13.840
<v Speaker 4>were to remake it, they would just leave that out

792
00:42:13.920 --> 00:42:16.800
<v Speaker 4>now as well. Yeah, I agree, but they were skinned alive.

793
00:42:17.320 --> 00:42:19.159
<v Speaker 4>Were they skinned alive? It seems like he's doing the

794
00:42:19.199 --> 00:42:20.159
<v Speaker 4>skinning after they're dead.

795
00:42:20.199 --> 00:42:23.320
<v Speaker 3>By the way, yeah, because he I don't the character's

796
00:42:23.400 --> 00:42:28.199
<v Speaker 3>name escapes me. But they find Shane Black's body or

797
00:42:29.000 --> 00:42:31.679
<v Speaker 3>he I think the line is like, I think it's

798
00:42:31.800 --> 00:42:35.199
<v Speaker 3>him because he's been dragged away, but they just find

799
00:42:35.400 --> 00:42:39.679
<v Speaker 3>a pile of viscera, like basically like his organs, So

800
00:42:40.400 --> 00:42:42.199
<v Speaker 3>I don't know that means that he was skinned and

801
00:42:42.320 --> 00:42:45.719
<v Speaker 3>all the awful was just dropped on the jungle floor.

802
00:42:45.840 --> 00:42:48.320
<v Speaker 3>It's on that part is maybe a little unclear. I

803
00:42:48.400 --> 00:42:52.000
<v Speaker 3>will say this, you were talking about Blaine's minigun. His

804
00:42:52.199 --> 00:42:56.599
<v Speaker 3>mini gun factors into one of my favorite scenes in

805
00:42:56.719 --> 00:43:00.519
<v Speaker 3>this movie, and a scene that actually elicited laughter when

806
00:43:00.559 --> 00:43:02.840
<v Speaker 3>I saw it in the movies. I do you know

807
00:43:02.880 --> 00:43:03.960
<v Speaker 3>those scene I'm talking about?

808
00:43:04.280 --> 00:43:07.199
<v Speaker 4>Is it the lawnmower sequence where a a swath in

809
00:43:07.239 --> 00:43:12.719
<v Speaker 4>the fucking jungleester sheer firepower. It's an incredible sequence, honestly, it's.

810
00:43:12.599 --> 00:43:16.719
<v Speaker 3>Amazing, But what elicited laughter is So what happens is

811
00:43:16.840 --> 00:43:20.519
<v Speaker 3>Blaine is killed by the predator. He's shot and his

812
00:43:20.880 --> 00:43:24.000
<v Speaker 3>insides are just completely blown out. And Bill Duke's character

813
00:43:24.159 --> 00:43:27.239
<v Speaker 3>Mac sees this. He goes ape shit. He starts shooting

814
00:43:27.280 --> 00:43:30.880
<v Speaker 3>at the predator. He actually hits him. He's shooting wildly,

815
00:43:31.119 --> 00:43:33.280
<v Speaker 3>and then everybody else starts shooting wildly, and then he

816
00:43:33.440 --> 00:43:37.760
<v Speaker 3>picks up Blaine's mini gun and just starts wiping out

817
00:43:37.840 --> 00:43:39.880
<v Speaker 3>the jungle in front of him. Now, the scene goes

818
00:43:39.960 --> 00:43:44.559
<v Speaker 3>on for a good solid minute. It's basically wordless. They're

819
00:43:44.679 --> 00:43:47.719
<v Speaker 3>firing on this jungle until at the end of it

820
00:43:48.199 --> 00:43:51.159
<v Speaker 3>there's nothing left. Like you said, it's like a lawnmower.

821
00:43:51.559 --> 00:43:57.639
<v Speaker 3>They've cut a swath probably a good fifteen yards twenty

822
00:43:57.760 --> 00:44:01.000
<v Speaker 3>yards ahead of them of nothing. The gun the bullets

823
00:44:01.119 --> 00:44:04.599
<v Speaker 3>just wiped out everything. It's so over the top and

824
00:44:05.079 --> 00:44:09.159
<v Speaker 3>silly that everybody was just so amused by it. Like

825
00:44:09.239 --> 00:44:11.880
<v Speaker 3>the fact that they just sat there and they must

826
00:44:11.920 --> 00:44:15.719
<v Speaker 3>have shot five thousand or more rounds. Maybe just the

827
00:44:15.800 --> 00:44:18.800
<v Speaker 3>mini gun itself shot that many. It's incredible, you know.

828
00:44:18.840 --> 00:44:22.239
<v Speaker 4>It's funny, like a film like the Last Accident was

829
00:44:22.280 --> 00:44:26.360
<v Speaker 4>completely unnecessary, because these movies always had a sense of

830
00:44:26.440 --> 00:44:29.039
<v Speaker 4>humor about them, particularly when it come when it came

831
00:44:29.119 --> 00:44:33.320
<v Speaker 4>to excess. Because we've got this here and RoboCop we

832
00:44:33.440 --> 00:44:35.639
<v Speaker 4>had they had to cut it down, but like Ed

833
00:44:35.679 --> 00:44:39.480
<v Speaker 4>two oh nine blasting that fucking executive into paste, like

834
00:44:40.159 --> 00:44:44.360
<v Speaker 4>these weren't subtle things, like everyone was in on the

835
00:44:44.559 --> 00:44:48.400
<v Speaker 4>violins joke. I think at this point, Yeah, that Robocop's.

836
00:44:47.880 --> 00:44:51.000
<v Speaker 3>The best example of that that. I think you were

837
00:44:51.000 --> 00:44:53.440
<v Speaker 3>talking about people missing the joke or missing the humor.

838
00:44:53.519 --> 00:44:57.400
<v Speaker 3>It's that a lot of people missed the satire and

839
00:44:57.480 --> 00:45:00.360
<v Speaker 3>the point behind RoboCop. It's like when another Verho film,

840
00:45:00.360 --> 00:45:04.039
<v Speaker 3>It's like when Starship Troopers came out, everybody was aghas

841
00:45:04.119 --> 00:45:06.440
<v Speaker 3>They all thought it was just terrible movie. It's you're

842
00:45:06.519 --> 00:45:10.280
<v Speaker 3>just they didn't get the subtext. They it completely flew

843
00:45:10.320 --> 00:45:13.199
<v Speaker 3>over their heads and it was you know, for some critics,

844
00:45:13.679 --> 00:45:16.400
<v Speaker 3>it took them ten years or more to come around

845
00:45:16.480 --> 00:45:18.440
<v Speaker 3>and go, you know what. I think Verhoven had a

846
00:45:18.480 --> 00:45:21.199
<v Speaker 3>lot more on his mind than just an empty headed

847
00:45:21.719 --> 00:45:23.079
<v Speaker 3>action picture for the summer.

848
00:45:23.320 --> 00:45:25.400
<v Speaker 4>You know, so I think he was I think he

849
00:45:25.519 --> 00:45:27.760
<v Speaker 4>was making some points here. I think he was making

850
00:45:27.800 --> 00:45:30.559
<v Speaker 4>fun of some stuff in a mixed all of this

851
00:45:30.800 --> 00:45:33.519
<v Speaker 4>all like you know, bravado and you know that movie

852
00:45:33.599 --> 00:45:37.280
<v Speaker 4>is genuinely scary. Can I say that Starship Troopers. When

853
00:45:37.320 --> 00:45:40.159
<v Speaker 4>I first saw that movie, it fucking weirded me out. Man,

854
00:45:40.480 --> 00:45:42.400
<v Speaker 4>the bugs, I was terrified.

855
00:45:42.880 --> 00:45:46.159
<v Speaker 3>I was terrified when they suck your brains out, when they.

856
00:45:46.639 --> 00:45:48.760
<v Speaker 4>Just not even them, just the fucking, the fucking the

857
00:45:48.880 --> 00:45:51.480
<v Speaker 4>soldier ones. Just being on the ground with one of

858
00:45:51.559 --> 00:45:52.800
<v Speaker 4>those was horrified.

859
00:45:53.320 --> 00:45:56.440
<v Speaker 3>Or just seeing them all swarm on the horizon, hundreds

860
00:45:56.480 --> 00:45:59.480
<v Speaker 3>of these things coming at you. I agree that, well,

861
00:45:59.639 --> 00:46:01.880
<v Speaker 3>maybe we should talk about that too at some point.

862
00:46:02.000 --> 00:46:05.000
<v Speaker 3>That movie is that movie has its cake and eats it.

863
00:46:05.079 --> 00:46:08.119
<v Speaker 3>Two that's a great action picture, but that has a

864
00:46:08.199 --> 00:46:11.239
<v Speaker 3>lot more going on than just action, and that's really

865
00:46:11.320 --> 00:46:13.119
<v Speaker 3>the genius of it. I hate to use that word,

866
00:46:13.199 --> 00:46:14.079
<v Speaker 3>but it's appropriate.

867
00:46:14.440 --> 00:46:17.039
<v Speaker 4>I will say this, though. Everyone is firing all at once,

868
00:46:17.119 --> 00:46:18.800
<v Speaker 4>and nobody would do that because you would all run

869
00:46:18.840 --> 00:46:21.880
<v Speaker 4>out of AMMO immediately. Also, if you have air support,

870
00:46:22.199 --> 00:46:23.960
<v Speaker 4>use air support. What the fuck?

871
00:46:24.400 --> 00:46:27.239
<v Speaker 3>Other than that, you've said that for decades too.

872
00:46:27.280 --> 00:46:30.480
<v Speaker 4>I'm going to like go into my grade. They fucking

873
00:46:30.920 --> 00:46:33.960
<v Speaker 4>had air support and they didn't use it, and they

874
00:46:34.239 --> 00:46:37.239
<v Speaker 4>all fired at once. They weren't in squads. It wasn't

875
00:46:37.320 --> 00:46:39.599
<v Speaker 4>like it was like frontline firing and the back line

876
00:46:39.679 --> 00:46:42.719
<v Speaker 4>is reloaded. It was just tactically. I didn't know what

877
00:46:42.880 --> 00:46:44.880
<v Speaker 4>the fuck was happening. Look, I wasn't in the military

878
00:46:44.960 --> 00:46:47.960
<v Speaker 4>or anything, but like just basically watching the movie in

879
00:46:48.000 --> 00:46:50.360
<v Speaker 4>the theater, I'm like, you're all about to die. Like

880
00:46:50.480 --> 00:46:53.440
<v Speaker 4>I understand this is supposed to be like a panicky sequence.

881
00:46:53.519 --> 00:46:55.480
<v Speaker 4>But anyway, what were we talking about it? Let's get

882
00:46:55.519 --> 00:46:56.239
<v Speaker 4>back to Well, here's the thing.

883
00:46:56.320 --> 00:46:57.880
<v Speaker 3>If we're going to talk about tactics, can I bring

884
00:46:58.000 --> 00:47:00.440
<v Speaker 3>up one thing that it occurred to me as I'm

885
00:47:00.440 --> 00:47:05.440
<v Speaker 3>watching Predator this time, do so so they Dutch makes

886
00:47:05.519 --> 00:47:08.559
<v Speaker 3>the makes the logical conclusion that they don't.

887
00:47:08.679 --> 00:47:09.000
<v Speaker 2>They don't.

888
00:47:09.159 --> 00:47:11.239
<v Speaker 3>The predator won't go after you if you don't have

889
00:47:11.320 --> 00:47:13.880
<v Speaker 3>a weapon, right, And this is something that's carried over

890
00:47:14.039 --> 00:47:17.760
<v Speaker 3>through the sequels that the Predator has a code of

891
00:47:17.800 --> 00:47:21.199
<v Speaker 3>ethics that includes not killing somebody who's not armed.

892
00:47:21.320 --> 00:47:21.440
<v Speaker 2>Right.

893
00:47:22.039 --> 00:47:25.320
<v Speaker 3>My question is, in this case, once he makes that realization,

894
00:47:25.639 --> 00:47:29.199
<v Speaker 3>why didn't these guys just ditch their weapons and run

895
00:47:29.320 --> 00:47:30.400
<v Speaker 3>like hell to the chopper.

896
00:47:30.800 --> 00:47:36.119
<v Speaker 4>Oh, that's logical, But because he says it to Anna,

897
00:47:36.199 --> 00:47:37.880
<v Speaker 4>he says, put the weapon down.

898
00:47:38.159 --> 00:47:39.880
<v Speaker 3>It won't hurt you if you don't have a weapon.

899
00:47:40.519 --> 00:47:43.880
<v Speaker 4>Well, maybe he was thinking it won't hurt her if

900
00:47:43.920 --> 00:47:46.719
<v Speaker 4>she doesn't have a weapon. But me, it's definitely coming

901
00:47:46.800 --> 00:47:52.360
<v Speaker 4>for because I'm clearly a perfect specimen of Hunter killer person,

902
00:47:52.960 --> 00:47:53.599
<v Speaker 4>I guess.

903
00:47:53.760 --> 00:47:55.880
<v Speaker 3>And we don't really necessarily want to get into plot

904
00:47:55.920 --> 00:47:58.400
<v Speaker 3>holes and everything that that just I did for a

905
00:47:58.480 --> 00:48:03.679
<v Speaker 3>movie that's so you know, well constructed and well well create,

906
00:48:03.800 --> 00:48:06.199
<v Speaker 3>well made. That seemed to be an oversight.

907
00:48:06.400 --> 00:48:10.239
<v Speaker 4>Well during the final fight, like Schwarzenegger doesn't have any

908
00:48:10.280 --> 00:48:12.519
<v Speaker 4>special weapons or anything, and the Predator is still like,

909
00:48:12.639 --> 00:48:14.880
<v Speaker 4>let's go baby, Yeah, but he's got.

910
00:48:14.840 --> 00:48:17.599
<v Speaker 3>Bow and arrow, and he the predator. He can the

911
00:48:17.639 --> 00:48:19.800
<v Speaker 3>predator can see that he's been firing on him, and

912
00:48:19.840 --> 00:48:23.079
<v Speaker 3>he's been throwing these explosives at him. He knows that

913
00:48:23.159 --> 00:48:26.159
<v Speaker 3>he's a threat. Maybe that's the answer. Maybe he already

914
00:48:26.679 --> 00:48:30.480
<v Speaker 3>in his mind knows that these guys are threats. Weaponry

915
00:48:30.599 --> 00:48:32.320
<v Speaker 3>or not, they've already been tagged.

916
00:48:32.760 --> 00:48:35.360
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, maybe if you've already engaged it in battle, it's

917
00:48:35.440 --> 00:48:37.119
<v Speaker 4>like from now on, I don't care if you have

918
00:48:37.159 --> 00:48:39.360
<v Speaker 4>a weapon or not. I'm coming for you, baby. I'll

919
00:48:39.400 --> 00:48:41.960
<v Speaker 4>go with that. Hopefully they'll answer that in the looks good?

920
00:48:42.000 --> 00:48:44.960
<v Speaker 3>Did you watch the trailer yet to keep it surprised?

921
00:48:45.079 --> 00:48:45.239
<v Speaker 5>Yet?

922
00:48:45.480 --> 00:48:48.400
<v Speaker 4>God damn right, I'm gonna kind. Even seeing just the

923
00:48:48.519 --> 00:48:51.679
<v Speaker 4>opening that it's an android was just like, ah, don't

924
00:48:51.719 --> 00:48:54.519
<v Speaker 4>do that. Like I feel like I'm in safe hands

925
00:48:54.559 --> 00:48:56.719
<v Speaker 4>with this guy. So I hope I don't have to

926
00:48:56.800 --> 00:49:02.599
<v Speaker 4>see anymore. Rightwhile meanwhile, back in the jungles of Mexico, Yes,

927
00:49:03.039 --> 00:49:04.280
<v Speaker 4>South America.

928
00:49:04.199 --> 00:49:05.960
<v Speaker 3>I think it was filmed in Mexico, though of.

929
00:49:06.000 --> 00:49:09.159
<v Speaker 4>Course it was. They'll watch out for that snake. Two steps,

930
00:49:09.719 --> 00:49:13.159
<v Speaker 4>two steps and you're dead. Oh the machismo. Can you

931
00:49:13.320 --> 00:49:16.719
<v Speaker 4>imagine having to be on the set of this movie

932
00:49:16.920 --> 00:49:17.679
<v Speaker 4>and be a woman.

933
00:49:18.239 --> 00:49:20.400
<v Speaker 3>It would have been insufferable, like they I could not.

934
00:49:20.639 --> 00:49:23.039
<v Speaker 3>I'm sure because this was decades before me too.

935
00:49:23.679 --> 00:49:29.000
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, this was even crime fucking nightmare behavior. And this

936
00:49:29.199 --> 00:49:34.280
<v Speaker 4>is all alpha male fucking everyone's vying for time in

937
00:49:34.400 --> 00:49:38.920
<v Speaker 4>the gym. They're all envious. I'm sure of Schwarzenegger's mobile Jim,

938
00:49:39.039 --> 00:49:41.239
<v Speaker 4>that he is down there like you feel maybe you

939
00:49:41.320 --> 00:49:43.400
<v Speaker 4>feel honored if Arnold says, hey, do you want to

940
00:49:43.440 --> 00:49:45.239
<v Speaker 4>come work out in my mobile gym? You don't have

941
00:49:45.280 --> 00:49:47.559
<v Speaker 4>to work and wait your turn for the waits over

942
00:49:47.679 --> 00:49:49.320
<v Speaker 4>there at the hotel gym.

943
00:49:50.000 --> 00:49:52.760
<v Speaker 3>People say that everybody except for Arnold and the director

944
00:49:53.480 --> 00:49:57.400
<v Speaker 3>suffered from horrible diarrhea from the water down. And I

945
00:49:57.400 --> 00:50:00.760
<v Speaker 3>think Arnold actually lost something like twenty five pounds because

946
00:50:01.000 --> 00:50:02.679
<v Speaker 3>and you can see it, you can see that he's

947
00:50:02.760 --> 00:50:05.639
<v Speaker 3>not as big and ripped as he normally is. That

948
00:50:05.840 --> 00:50:08.000
<v Speaker 3>that works in terms of works for the character.

949
00:50:08.119 --> 00:50:10.159
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, because you thought, like, here's a fucking mercenary. This

950
00:50:10.280 --> 00:50:13.360
<v Speaker 4>isn't the fucking commando guy who was a comic book character.

951
00:50:13.400 --> 00:50:17.320
<v Speaker 4>Here's a real dude. Schwarzenegger could ever be honestly.

952
00:50:17.119 --> 00:50:19.760
<v Speaker 3>Sure, But in practice, the practical reason for that is

953
00:50:19.840 --> 00:50:22.360
<v Speaker 3>he avoided eating because he was afraid he was going

954
00:50:22.440 --> 00:50:25.639
<v Speaker 3>to get sick in Mexico. But it worked for the Mexico.

955
00:50:26.000 --> 00:50:29.880
<v Speaker 4>Is there nothing you can't do? I don't have a

956
00:50:29.920 --> 00:50:32.639
<v Speaker 4>follow up to that. You got a topic, go so

957
00:50:33.000 --> 00:50:33.480
<v Speaker 4>let so.

958
00:50:33.519 --> 00:50:35.559
<v Speaker 3>We've talked about the direction, We've talked about the act.

959
00:50:35.719 --> 00:50:37.480
<v Speaker 3>Let's talk a little bit about.

960
00:50:37.559 --> 00:50:40.079
<v Speaker 4>The let's talk about the costume, shall we Let's talk

961
00:50:40.079 --> 00:50:44.039
<v Speaker 4>about where they were going. Absolutely, the initial plan here

962
00:50:44.840 --> 00:50:48.280
<v Speaker 4>was to have look this the script as is what

963
00:50:48.519 --> 00:50:51.360
<v Speaker 4>got made. There was no real radical reworking of this

964
00:50:51.480 --> 00:50:54.519
<v Speaker 4>script because of what we're about to talk about. But

965
00:50:54.760 --> 00:50:58.719
<v Speaker 4>initially the idea of the Predator was much more insectile

966
00:50:59.320 --> 00:51:03.960
<v Speaker 4>in its appearances, and it wasn't going to appear as Munch,

967
00:51:04.519 --> 00:51:06.199
<v Speaker 4>and the idea was that it was going to be

968
00:51:06.440 --> 00:51:11.320
<v Speaker 4>tiny and wiry. To that end, the initial actor hired

969
00:51:11.440 --> 00:51:14.199
<v Speaker 4>to portray the Predator here in the Mexican jungle was

970
00:51:14.280 --> 00:51:17.400
<v Speaker 4>Jean Claude van dam So what they've had and he

971
00:51:17.599 --> 00:51:19.320
<v Speaker 4>took the role thinking he was going to be like

972
00:51:19.400 --> 00:51:21.760
<v Speaker 4>the Terminator. He's like, Oh, it's a movie called Predator,

973
00:51:21.760 --> 00:51:23.239
<v Speaker 4>and I'm going to be the Predator. This is going

974
00:51:23.320 --> 00:51:26.280
<v Speaker 4>to be great, not realizing that he was basically just

975
00:51:26.440 --> 00:51:31.519
<v Speaker 4>going to be wearing a stand in orange foam suit

976
00:51:32.199 --> 00:51:36.760
<v Speaker 4>and running around doing all of the not motion capture,

977
00:51:36.800 --> 00:51:39.000
<v Speaker 4>this is an a motion capture situation, but basically doing

978
00:51:39.039 --> 00:51:40.880
<v Speaker 4>it all the stand in stuff for where they were

979
00:51:40.920 --> 00:51:45.880
<v Speaker 4>going to layer in the Predator invisibility sequences that computer

980
00:51:46.079 --> 00:51:52.000
<v Speaker 4>generated early computer effect. And he was not happy, and

981
00:51:52.079 --> 00:51:54.360
<v Speaker 4>I don't think anyone was happy with the footage they

982
00:51:54.400 --> 00:51:58.119
<v Speaker 4>were getting back because look, I maintained that the suit

983
00:51:58.400 --> 00:52:01.079
<v Speaker 4>you will see if you look on any YouTube video

984
00:52:01.360 --> 00:52:03.880
<v Speaker 4>of or behind the scenes of Predator. I maintained that

985
00:52:03.960 --> 00:52:06.360
<v Speaker 4>suit you're seeing you were never going to see anyway.

986
00:52:06.760 --> 00:52:11.599
<v Speaker 4>It's just there a reference. Nevertheless, that design for the

987
00:52:11.679 --> 00:52:15.119
<v Speaker 4>alien for the Predator was really dumb, and I'm glad

988
00:52:15.199 --> 00:52:15.880
<v Speaker 4>they changed it.

989
00:52:16.199 --> 00:52:18.320
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, he couldn't do any of the thing. He couldn't.

990
00:52:18.519 --> 00:52:20.880
<v Speaker 3>It wasn't flexible enough and light enough for him to

991
00:52:21.000 --> 00:52:24.239
<v Speaker 3>do anything that he was known for, like the karate stuff,

992
00:52:24.360 --> 00:52:27.519
<v Speaker 3>spin kicks, whatever. I think the original idea I thought

993
00:52:27.679 --> 00:52:30.760
<v Speaker 3>was he was going to be more agile, but because

994
00:52:31.000 --> 00:52:33.440
<v Speaker 3>the suit didn't allow for that, and frankly, I think

995
00:52:33.920 --> 00:52:35.719
<v Speaker 3>the suit was so hot that he was passing out.

996
00:52:36.320 --> 00:52:38.440
<v Speaker 3>He finally said, well, this isn't for me, and then

997
00:52:38.760 --> 00:52:42.000
<v Speaker 3>enter Kevin Peter Hall, perfect man.

998
00:52:41.920 --> 00:52:45.360
<v Speaker 4>For the Oh my god, he's so huge. He's Harry

999
00:52:45.400 --> 00:52:48.360
<v Speaker 4>from Harry and the Henderson's everybody. He's the fucking Bigfoot.

1000
00:52:48.679 --> 00:52:51.599
<v Speaker 4>He is one of the misfits of science and he's.

1001
00:52:51.400 --> 00:52:53.000
<v Speaker 3>The helicopter pilot at the very end.

1002
00:52:53.400 --> 00:52:56.519
<v Speaker 4>Oh yes, he's also on the basketball team and better

1003
00:52:56.599 --> 00:52:59.320
<v Speaker 4>off dead, and he reaches in when the basketball team

1004
00:52:59.400 --> 00:53:02.920
<v Speaker 4>is gonna they're gonna menace Lane Lane Meyer like he's

1005
00:53:03.079 --> 00:53:05.280
<v Speaker 4>it's his hand that blocks the camera out.

1006
00:53:05.880 --> 00:53:08.559
<v Speaker 3>He's so good and the but the costume, let's talk

1007
00:53:08.599 --> 00:53:11.559
<v Speaker 3>about the So he's great. He does everything he needs

1008
00:53:11.599 --> 00:53:14.599
<v Speaker 3>to do as the predator. He's quiet, he's stealthy, but

1009
00:53:14.679 --> 00:53:18.639
<v Speaker 3>he's big and you you feel like this the size

1010
00:53:18.639 --> 00:53:20.360
<v Speaker 3>of him. He could go toe to toe with somebody

1011
00:53:20.480 --> 00:53:23.800
<v Speaker 3>like Arnold and make it a fight, but it would

1012
00:53:23.880 --> 00:53:26.320
<v Speaker 3>I don't think it would work as well without stan

1013
00:53:26.400 --> 00:53:30.360
<v Speaker 3>Winston's creature design, his revised creature design, because I think, well,

1014
00:53:30.440 --> 00:53:32.639
<v Speaker 3>he didn't design it originally. They went to him after

1015
00:53:32.719 --> 00:53:34.840
<v Speaker 3>the fact and said, we need a creature design. What

1016
00:53:34.920 --> 00:53:36.480
<v Speaker 3>can he make for us? And this was what he

1017
00:53:36.559 --> 00:53:37.199
<v Speaker 3>cobbled together.

1018
00:53:37.760 --> 00:53:41.000
<v Speaker 4>But it's funny because it to think like you don't

1019
00:53:41.079 --> 00:53:44.079
<v Speaker 4>initially go to Stan Winston, that's crazy.

1020
00:53:44.760 --> 00:53:49.000
<v Speaker 3>He's your second choice, right but you The word iconic

1021
00:53:49.119 --> 00:53:53.000
<v Speaker 3>is often overused. I overuse it plenty myself. But when you,

1022
00:53:53.360 --> 00:53:56.599
<v Speaker 3>if I say to you, predator, you out there listening

1023
00:53:56.639 --> 00:53:59.480
<v Speaker 3>to this podcast, you already have the image in your

1024
00:53:59.599 --> 00:54:04.519
<v Speaker 3>mind of if not that the creature with the mandibles

1025
00:54:04.679 --> 00:54:08.880
<v Speaker 3>and the spotty skin and the netting for clothes and

1026
00:54:09.039 --> 00:54:12.480
<v Speaker 3>the dreadlocks, or maybe the helmet thing with the laser,

1027
00:54:12.599 --> 00:54:15.679
<v Speaker 3>the three lights. Everybody sees that in their mind's eye

1028
00:54:15.760 --> 00:54:18.760
<v Speaker 3>right now because it's so it's as indelible as like

1029
00:54:18.880 --> 00:54:22.239
<v Speaker 3>et in my mind, he's classic. They don't get the

1030
00:54:22.480 --> 00:54:25.280
<v Speaker 3>animation of the mandibles. When he finally takes the helmet

1031
00:54:25.320 --> 00:54:29.239
<v Speaker 3>off and he's like raw, he's roaring at Arnold. It

1032
00:54:29.400 --> 00:54:32.559
<v Speaker 3>is damn near perfect. I believe that was a It

1033
00:54:32.679 --> 00:54:35.440
<v Speaker 3>was an alien creature coming to kick Arnold's ass.

1034
00:54:35.800 --> 00:54:39.519
<v Speaker 4>Not only the face and the head and the helmet,

1035
00:54:40.079 --> 00:54:43.679
<v Speaker 4>but the body as well. Like obviously Kevin Peter Hall

1036
00:54:44.119 --> 00:54:47.039
<v Speaker 4>is the template from which they were a layering the

1037
00:54:47.159 --> 00:54:50.639
<v Speaker 4>costume on top of but the choices for the costume

1038
00:54:50.719 --> 00:54:53.000
<v Speaker 4>are just as important as anything else. The fact that

1039
00:54:53.079 --> 00:54:56.000
<v Speaker 4>he's got this weird mesh part of a costume, that

1040
00:54:56.079 --> 00:54:59.199
<v Speaker 4>he's wearing a necklace with little skulls, that you know,

1041
00:54:59.400 --> 00:55:01.960
<v Speaker 4>all of the little bits of technology look like this

1042
00:55:02.119 --> 00:55:05.039
<v Speaker 4>way and not that way. Like the entirety of the character,

1043
00:55:05.119 --> 00:55:08.800
<v Speaker 4>as you said, is indelible. It's as iconic as any

1044
00:55:08.920 --> 00:55:11.440
<v Speaker 4>other science fiction character I can think of, certainly as

1045
00:55:11.480 --> 00:55:16.119
<v Speaker 4>a science fiction villain. It rivals the Aliens in its

1046
00:55:16.239 --> 00:55:20.519
<v Speaker 4>design and its originality, and of course the irony being

1047
00:55:20.679 --> 00:55:24.159
<v Speaker 4>that while stan Winston did not create the alien, he

1048
00:55:24.400 --> 00:55:29.079
<v Speaker 4>did create the alien Queen, which is just as iconic

1049
00:55:29.159 --> 00:55:30.760
<v Speaker 4>as the fucking xenomorph itself.

1050
00:55:31.280 --> 00:55:36.519
<v Speaker 3>It's amazing. It's a real achievement in makeup and animatronics.

1051
00:55:36.800 --> 00:55:39.960
<v Speaker 4>Not to mention the fucking T eight hundred, the endoskeleton,

1052
00:55:40.360 --> 00:55:43.480
<v Speaker 4>or like all the physical effects in that first Terminator movie,

1053
00:55:43.760 --> 00:55:46.599
<v Speaker 4>like even the physical effects with a T one thousand,

1054
00:55:46.719 --> 00:55:50.760
<v Speaker 4>whenever it's physically on set, like all squirrely and weird looking.

1055
00:55:50.920 --> 00:55:52.199
<v Speaker 4>That's a physical thing he did.

1056
00:55:52.559 --> 00:55:52.960
<v Speaker 3>He did.

1057
00:55:53.199 --> 00:55:57.280
<v Speaker 4>I'm gonna okay, look he also did. He did one

1058
00:55:57.360 --> 00:56:01.559
<v Speaker 4>effect in John Carpenter's The Thing, and everyone is freaked

1059
00:56:01.599 --> 00:56:05.280
<v Speaker 4>out by it. It's the dog. It's the close up

1060
00:56:05.320 --> 00:56:08.159
<v Speaker 4>of the dog heads like reaching up and starting to

1061
00:56:08.280 --> 00:56:11.000
<v Speaker 4>snarl into the camera, and that snaky kind of a

1062
00:56:11.079 --> 00:56:15.000
<v Speaker 4>way that they're animating it. That's his contribution to that. Obviously,

1063
00:56:15.440 --> 00:56:17.639
<v Speaker 4>he did Jurassic Park. We all know stan Winston, we

1064
00:56:17.719 --> 00:56:20.880
<v Speaker 4>all love stan Winston, but fuck man, the Predator here.

1065
00:56:21.280 --> 00:56:24.679
<v Speaker 4>If this didn't work, this movie would have collapsed. And

1066
00:56:24.800 --> 00:56:28.320
<v Speaker 4>it works so well that this is what actually launches

1067
00:56:28.360 --> 00:56:29.079
<v Speaker 4>the franchise.

1068
00:56:29.480 --> 00:56:33.360
<v Speaker 3>People who aren't nerds for this stuff, like you and me,

1069
00:56:33.480 --> 00:56:36.960
<v Speaker 3>Father Malone, if you say the word predator, odds are

1070
00:56:37.000 --> 00:56:39.199
<v Speaker 3>they're going to know exactly who you're talking about and

1071
00:56:39.280 --> 00:56:41.119
<v Speaker 3>what they look like. They're going to have in their

1072
00:56:41.239 --> 00:56:44.679
<v Speaker 3>mind the vision of the Predator. This is a we're

1073
00:56:44.719 --> 00:56:47.639
<v Speaker 3>talking This isn't nineteen eighty seven, what is it? Almost

1074
00:56:47.719 --> 00:56:51.719
<v Speaker 3>forty years old. Now, this is a piece of you know,

1075
00:56:52.159 --> 00:56:55.400
<v Speaker 3>of the action firmament, Now the Alien or not. It's

1076
00:56:55.960 --> 00:56:58.000
<v Speaker 3>like you said, it's as big as the Alien. In

1077
00:56:58.119 --> 00:57:00.559
<v Speaker 3>my mind, the Alien is still going to it's still

1078
00:57:01.119 --> 00:57:03.880
<v Speaker 3>feet of creativity that is rarely matched, but it comes

1079
00:57:03.960 --> 00:57:05.119
<v Speaker 3>damn close with the Predator.

1080
00:57:05.159 --> 00:57:08.320
<v Speaker 4>I think unbelievable. Yeah, I love him. I love that.

1081
00:57:08.920 --> 00:57:10.559
<v Speaker 4>You know what I love about the character. I love

1082
00:57:10.599 --> 00:57:12.920
<v Speaker 4>that it's really here. You see it more than any

1083
00:57:12.960 --> 00:57:15.239
<v Speaker 4>of the other movies. I love him mimicking people. I

1084
00:57:15.320 --> 00:57:17.920
<v Speaker 4>love him making fun of people using their own words

1085
00:57:17.960 --> 00:57:20.360
<v Speaker 4>against them in some way that's really funny to me.

1086
00:57:20.840 --> 00:57:24.480
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, you're right, it is done more here than you

1087
00:57:24.599 --> 00:57:28.199
<v Speaker 3>see in the other movies where he hears like at

1088
00:57:28.239 --> 00:57:31.440
<v Speaker 3>one point, Billy is laughing at one of Hawkins bad

1089
00:57:31.760 --> 00:57:35.079
<v Speaker 3>pussy joke, and the Predator hears it, and it's almost

1090
00:57:35.199 --> 00:57:38.119
<v Speaker 3>like he internalizes it, like he plays it back to

1091
00:57:38.199 --> 00:57:42.159
<v Speaker 3>himself until he can mimic it, and he's mimicking Mac

1092
00:57:42.199 --> 00:57:44.880
<v Speaker 3>saying over here, and you get the sense that he

1093
00:57:44.960 --> 00:57:48.800
<v Speaker 3>can use that to fool his prey into falling into

1094
00:57:48.880 --> 00:57:51.239
<v Speaker 3>traps and things. It's really I wish they did more

1095
00:57:51.280 --> 00:57:53.079
<v Speaker 3>of that where I agree.

1096
00:57:52.840 --> 00:57:54.840
<v Speaker 4>Because how creepy would it have been where they're like

1097
00:57:54.960 --> 00:57:57.719
<v Speaker 4>looking for Mac and they hear him go hey over here,

1098
00:57:58.159 --> 00:57:59.800
<v Speaker 4>and like somebody goes, oh, I think he's over here.

1099
00:58:00.079 --> 00:58:04.119
<v Speaker 4>A yeah, it's he's just and he does use it

1100
00:58:04.239 --> 00:58:09.239
<v Speaker 4>ironically at the end, as he's arming the fucking self destructing,

1101
00:58:09.480 --> 00:58:15.360
<v Speaker 4>he starts cackling using Billy Bear's laugh at Dutch it's crazy.

1102
00:58:15.440 --> 00:58:17.079
<v Speaker 3>And by the way, that was actually a nice touch.

1103
00:58:17.199 --> 00:58:22.719
<v Speaker 3>So at the end not a spoiler alert, spoilers predator money.

1104
00:58:23.519 --> 00:58:28.559
<v Speaker 3>So using his will and determination, Dutch finally kills it.

1105
00:58:28.760 --> 00:58:31.760
<v Speaker 3>Didn't kill the trimatory. He beats him to the point

1106
00:58:31.760 --> 00:58:34.679
<v Speaker 3>where he's going to die, and rather than either let

1107
00:58:34.760 --> 00:58:38.079
<v Speaker 3>himself fall into somebody else's hands or you know, he

1108
00:58:38.320 --> 00:58:42.480
<v Speaker 3>the predator sets his self destruct mechanism on his wrist

1109
00:58:42.960 --> 00:58:47.599
<v Speaker 3>computer thing, and because it's an alien, they can't have

1110
00:58:47.760 --> 00:58:51.519
<v Speaker 3>it count down from nine to one or something, but

1111
00:58:51.679 --> 00:58:56.440
<v Speaker 3>they have this this iconography that you can't read the numbers,

1112
00:58:56.519 --> 00:58:58.599
<v Speaker 3>but you can tell that it's counting down. I thought

1113
00:58:58.639 --> 00:59:01.199
<v Speaker 3>it was really clever because it looked real and it

1114
00:59:01.320 --> 00:59:04.119
<v Speaker 3>looks lived in and it looks like an authentic piece

1115
00:59:04.159 --> 00:59:07.400
<v Speaker 3>of machinery on this guy's wrist. And that's when, like

1116
00:59:07.480 --> 00:59:12.199
<v Speaker 3>you said, he uses that mimic laugh, the mimic laugh

1117
00:59:12.480 --> 00:59:17.480
<v Speaker 3>of mac to say to Dutch, like, well, you might

1118
00:59:17.559 --> 00:59:19.920
<v Speaker 3>have beaten me, but guess what, you know you're not

1119
00:59:20.000 --> 00:59:22.880
<v Speaker 3>gonna make it, and he sets off this little mini nuke.

1120
00:59:23.079 --> 00:59:24.400
<v Speaker 3>It's a great ending.

1121
00:59:24.800 --> 00:59:27.480
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, Like, I can't say enough about this character. It's

1122
00:59:27.519 --> 00:59:32.639
<v Speaker 4>a silent character that uses effectively recorded bits of our

1123
00:59:32.719 --> 00:59:37.000
<v Speaker 4>hero's dialogue against them throughout the movie. And then, as

1124
00:59:37.119 --> 00:59:39.960
<v Speaker 4>you just said, like even something as simple as the

1125
00:59:40.119 --> 00:59:44.480
<v Speaker 4>countdown timer on this risk bomb, you know, as soon

1126
00:59:44.559 --> 00:59:47.440
<v Speaker 4>as it starts counting down what's happening. He doesn't have

1127
00:59:47.519 --> 00:59:49.920
<v Speaker 4>to say, he doesn't need to laugh, but the laugh

1128
00:59:50.000 --> 00:59:54.440
<v Speaker 4>really says that, like you are about to die. It's economical,

1129
00:59:54.760 --> 00:59:59.000
<v Speaker 4>it's fun, it's scary, it's interesting, it's I don't know,

1130
00:59:59.280 --> 01:00:01.480
<v Speaker 4>this movie has everything it does.

1131
01:00:01.719 --> 01:00:04.800
<v Speaker 3>And for a movie that, like I said, is coming

1132
01:00:04.880 --> 01:00:09.639
<v Speaker 3>up on forty years old, I honestly this movie isn't

1133
01:00:09.639 --> 01:00:12.800
<v Speaker 3>all that dated. There. Maybe there's some of the interactions

1134
01:00:12.840 --> 01:00:15.960
<v Speaker 3>that might be a little bit dated, but as far

1135
01:00:16.079 --> 01:00:18.480
<v Speaker 3>as the actual nuts and bolts of the movie and

1136
01:00:18.639 --> 01:00:21.880
<v Speaker 3>the filmmaking on display, I would stack this up against

1137
01:00:21.920 --> 01:00:26.239
<v Speaker 3>almost anything that's considered a blockbuster nowadays. It's so it's

1138
01:00:26.400 --> 01:00:30.840
<v Speaker 3>a lean, mean action machine. It doesn't waste any time.

1139
01:00:30.920 --> 01:00:35.800
<v Speaker 3>It's suspenseful. That's the thing. Like once they catch wind

1140
01:00:35.840 --> 01:00:39.000
<v Speaker 3>of this creature that's stalking them, not only has it

1141
01:00:39.079 --> 01:00:43.000
<v Speaker 3>become a horror movie, but it's so suspenseful because behind

1142
01:00:43.280 --> 01:00:48.119
<v Speaker 3>every crackle of a twig or something. That thing is

1143
01:00:48.199 --> 01:00:51.360
<v Speaker 3>out there somewhere, and sometimes the character will be looking

1144
01:00:51.440 --> 01:00:57.280
<v Speaker 3>out at the expanse of jungle and you, the viewer,

1145
01:00:57.480 --> 01:01:02.119
<v Speaker 3>can see the outline of that camouflage predator standing sitting

1146
01:01:02.199 --> 01:01:05.239
<v Speaker 3>there watching them, and no attention is called to it.

1147
01:01:05.599 --> 01:01:08.519
<v Speaker 3>It's just the camera panning across this, all this, all

1148
01:01:08.559 --> 01:01:11.679
<v Speaker 3>these trees. But it's so it's ratchets up that feeling

1149
01:01:11.760 --> 01:01:13.519
<v Speaker 3>that something's gonna happen. I love it.

1150
01:01:14.039 --> 01:01:16.880
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, you know, I'm glad we watched it. I'm glad

1151
01:01:16.920 --> 01:01:20.920
<v Speaker 4>we're delving into these movies again because it was easy

1152
01:01:21.000 --> 01:01:23.880
<v Speaker 4>for me to answer the question name a perfect action

1153
01:01:24.039 --> 01:01:26.880
<v Speaker 4>movie before I rewatched this and say something like Diehard

1154
01:01:27.159 --> 01:01:29.079
<v Speaker 4>or Cone of the Barbarian. I think it's a perfect

1155
01:01:29.119 --> 01:01:33.119
<v Speaker 4>action movie. Apocalypse Now. Technically, anyway, this wouldn't have I

1156
01:01:33.159 --> 01:01:35.280
<v Speaker 4>don't know that. Not only would this not have been

1157
01:01:35.360 --> 01:01:37.199
<v Speaker 4>on the top of my list, I don't know that

1158
01:01:37.320 --> 01:01:39.159
<v Speaker 4>this would I would have put this movie on the list.

1159
01:01:39.199 --> 01:01:42.440
<v Speaker 4>It wouldn't have occurred to me. How perfect an action

1160
01:01:42.599 --> 01:01:46.119
<v Speaker 4>movie this? Actually? It never feels insulting or like we're

1161
01:01:46.159 --> 01:01:49.639
<v Speaker 4>skimping on anything. I like all of these characters it's

1162
01:01:49.719 --> 01:01:52.880
<v Speaker 4>all archetypes, but it's so well written, and part of

1163
01:01:52.920 --> 01:01:56.079
<v Speaker 4>that has to be obviously Shane Black. Like you said,

1164
01:01:56.320 --> 01:01:58.639
<v Speaker 4>there's a reason I said this over on the Weekly

1165
01:01:58.719 --> 01:02:01.360
<v Speaker 4>round Up when I was revealing the Preditor. But not

1166
01:02:01.559 --> 01:02:04.320
<v Speaker 4>only did John McTiernan, like you know, luck out and

1167
01:02:04.440 --> 01:02:08.079
<v Speaker 4>having such a fucking phenomenally talented screenwriter on set to

1168
01:02:08.199 --> 01:02:12.199
<v Speaker 4>handle anything to smooth over any problems that might come up,

1169
01:02:12.679 --> 01:02:15.559
<v Speaker 4>but he was also there at the behest of producer

1170
01:02:15.639 --> 01:02:20.079
<v Speaker 4>Joel Silver, who was unsure about John mctiernan's performance as

1171
01:02:20.159 --> 01:02:23.920
<v Speaker 4>a neophyte filmmaker basically, and he's there to basically spy

1172
01:02:24.119 --> 01:02:26.400
<v Speaker 4>on it, which makes me feel queasy about it in

1173
01:02:26.480 --> 01:02:28.280
<v Speaker 4>a weird way. But at the same time, I love

1174
01:02:28.360 --> 01:02:30.840
<v Speaker 4>Shane Black so much that you know, I can't feel bad.

1175
01:02:30.920 --> 01:02:32.880
<v Speaker 4>I can't be mad at him about it, you know.

1176
01:02:33.039 --> 01:02:36.519
<v Speaker 4>And ultimately it didn't matter because McTiernan had the goods.

1177
01:02:37.000 --> 01:02:41.480
<v Speaker 3>It's I agree this. They don't get much more economical

1178
01:02:42.239 --> 01:02:45.880
<v Speaker 3>and perfect. This is the if an alien came down

1179
01:02:45.960 --> 01:02:48.840
<v Speaker 3>to Earth and asked for the perfect action. This would

1180
01:02:48.840 --> 01:02:49.480
<v Speaker 3>be a candidate.

1181
01:02:49.920 --> 01:02:52.320
<v Speaker 4>If an alien came down and hunted me to the

1182
01:02:52.480 --> 01:02:54.840
<v Speaker 4>ends of the Earth, because it's somehow figured I was

1183
01:02:54.920 --> 01:02:58.800
<v Speaker 4>somehow worthy of fighting. I would say, hey, man, let

1184
01:02:58.880 --> 01:03:02.159
<v Speaker 4>me show you instead the perfect faction movie, and he said, Wow,

1185
01:03:02.599 --> 01:03:05.199
<v Speaker 4>they did it much better than us. I'd say, yeah,

1186
01:03:05.239 --> 01:03:08.000
<v Speaker 4>what are we fumbling around here for? What's just watch Predator?

1187
01:03:08.519 --> 01:03:13.320
<v Speaker 3>So I'm it looks to me like mctiern is basically

1188
01:03:13.440 --> 01:03:17.320
<v Speaker 3>done as a director. He never recovered from the Pelicano trial.

1189
01:03:17.760 --> 01:03:18.800
<v Speaker 5>Is that like?

1190
01:03:20.119 --> 01:03:23.639
<v Speaker 3>Is that a story of wasted potential Hollywood wasted potential?

1191
01:03:23.639 --> 01:03:25.639
<v Speaker 3>Do you think he could have been one of the

1192
01:03:25.719 --> 01:03:29.079
<v Speaker 3>all time grades? Not that he isn't from what he's

1193
01:03:29.079 --> 01:03:31.480
<v Speaker 3>already done, but do you think he could have been

1194
01:03:31.840 --> 01:03:32.239
<v Speaker 3>like the.

1195
01:03:32.679 --> 01:03:35.360
<v Speaker 4>Action movie guy. I think he would have been given

1196
01:03:35.920 --> 01:03:41.159
<v Speaker 4>a decent shot after the failure of Rollerball had the

1197
01:03:41.559 --> 01:03:45.760
<v Speaker 4>court case and imprisonment not occur. So we'll never know.

1198
01:03:46.519 --> 01:03:48.880
<v Speaker 4>I don't know that he had anything left in the tank.

1199
01:03:49.639 --> 01:03:55.079
<v Speaker 4>I think he's more John Carpenter than he is Martin Scorsesey.

1200
01:03:55.239 --> 01:03:59.559
<v Speaker 4>How about that, Like there's a definite period of creativity

1201
01:04:00.119 --> 01:04:02.760
<v Speaker 4>that no matter what you're throwing at them, they can

1202
01:04:03.239 --> 01:04:06.960
<v Speaker 4>adapt and continue on. I don't know that mc tiernan

1203
01:04:07.039 --> 01:04:11.800
<v Speaker 4>had any new moves past. I haven't seen Thomas crowniffair.

1204
01:04:11.960 --> 01:04:13.840
<v Speaker 4>I'd like to see it. I will see it, obviously,

1205
01:04:13.960 --> 01:04:15.800
<v Speaker 4>And we're gonna be talking about Predator for a while

1206
01:04:15.800 --> 01:04:16.960
<v Speaker 4>because this is Predator Fest.

1207
01:04:17.039 --> 01:04:20.760
<v Speaker 3>Maybe absolutely, looking I saw Predator two and well, we'll

1208
01:04:20.760 --> 01:04:23.000
<v Speaker 3>talk about it. I won't to spoil anything, but this

1209
01:04:23.119 --> 01:04:24.360
<v Speaker 3>is a hell of a way to kick it off.

1210
01:04:24.480 --> 01:04:27.920
<v Speaker 3>This is arguably the best of the Predator movie.

1211
01:04:28.280 --> 01:04:30.320
<v Speaker 4>And I can say this is a film series. I

1212
01:04:30.400 --> 01:04:32.360
<v Speaker 4>have seen every single one in the theater. If it's

1213
01:04:32.400 --> 01:04:34.840
<v Speaker 4>been in the theater, I have seen it there. Really

1214
01:04:35.679 --> 01:04:38.880
<v Speaker 4>that is correct. So the first as it turns out,

1215
01:04:39.320 --> 01:04:43.719
<v Speaker 4>I fucking love the Predator. I had no idea, but

1216
01:04:44.239 --> 01:04:44.599
<v Speaker 4>some of them.

1217
01:04:44.719 --> 01:04:48.679
<v Speaker 3>Look, you did a great weekly round up shameless plug alert.

1218
01:04:49.320 --> 01:04:52.639
<v Speaker 3>Check it out you listening if you haven't already. And

1219
01:04:53.599 --> 01:04:56.559
<v Speaker 3>Father alone goes through the whole history of the Predator movies.

1220
01:04:56.639 --> 01:05:01.320
<v Speaker 3>He's leading up to Predator Killer of Killer effectively. But

1221
01:05:01.960 --> 01:05:04.199
<v Speaker 3>there are some in the series that you don't really

1222
01:05:04.320 --> 01:05:06.280
<v Speaker 3>have that much of a fondness for, but yet you

1223
01:05:06.400 --> 01:05:10.199
<v Speaker 3>still continue to have faith that you know these pictures

1224
01:05:10.280 --> 01:05:13.239
<v Speaker 3>will be you know that the next one will be good.

1225
01:05:13.960 --> 01:05:17.280
<v Speaker 3>And that faith was rewarded with Prey, was it not yeah.

1226
01:05:17.079 --> 01:05:18.400
<v Speaker 4>Because there are a couples. There are a couple of

1227
01:05:18.480 --> 01:05:21.360
<v Speaker 4>movies in this series that I detest that I will

1228
01:05:21.480 --> 01:05:23.239
<v Speaker 4>not We're gonna watch it again because we're gonna be

1229
01:05:23.280 --> 01:05:24.920
<v Speaker 4>talking about it, and I will try to be fair

1230
01:05:25.000 --> 01:05:27.679
<v Speaker 4>and you know, in a reappraisal of it, because everything

1231
01:05:27.719 --> 01:05:31.400
<v Speaker 4>deserves a second chance. But I will say, I, if

1232
01:05:31.440 --> 01:05:33.400
<v Speaker 4>you're gonna put a fucking Predator in a movie, I'm

1233
01:05:33.440 --> 01:05:36.679
<v Speaker 4>gonna come see that movie. I'm gonna give it a chance.

1234
01:05:37.159 --> 01:05:41.480
<v Speaker 3>Did you delve into the comic books too? Not? On?

1235
01:05:41.800 --> 01:05:45.000
<v Speaker 4>Not in the end, did I personally? Yeah, I have

1236
01:05:45.199 --> 01:05:48.280
<v Speaker 4>read some of the Predator comics. Geez, but it's been

1237
01:05:48.519 --> 01:05:52.480
<v Speaker 4>some time. I remember seeing. The thing is, when I

1238
01:05:52.599 --> 01:05:56.079
<v Speaker 4>started reading Predator comics, it was dark Horse. I've only

1239
01:05:56.400 --> 01:05:59.519
<v Speaker 4>really just now realized dark Horse was just a spin

1240
01:05:59.599 --> 01:06:02.000
<v Speaker 4>off of movies that we like this kids like most

1241
01:06:02.039 --> 01:06:04.679
<v Speaker 4>of their titles just seemed like aliens or you know whatever.

1242
01:06:05.119 --> 01:06:08.840
<v Speaker 4>So so I remember reading their Predator comics, and it

1243
01:06:09.000 --> 01:06:12.599
<v Speaker 4>was so early on that I remember thinking the stuff

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<v Speaker 4>that they're making up isn't necessarily going to be anything,

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<v Speaker 4>you know what I mean? Like it felt like like

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<v Speaker 4>I saw we had already seen this in like Star

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<v Speaker 4>Wars and any other sort of film franchise. Anytime this

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<v Speaker 4>peripheral content, if they start making canon what seems like canon,

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<v Speaker 4>that it's not that the movie can come and just

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<v Speaker 4>wipe that away. And that's how I felt with the

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<v Speaker 4>comic books. For some reason, maybe I was the perfect

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<v Speaker 4>age for it, but I was at least felt like

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<v Speaker 4>the Predator comics were more of a cash grab tie

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<v Speaker 4>in than an honest effort to further those stories. Am

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<v Speaker 4>I a Predator purist?

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<v Speaker 3>Maybe I was thinking more like I remember all of

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<v Speaker 3>those like they were like I think dark Horse did,

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<v Speaker 3>like the Terminator and the Alien series. But I was

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<v Speaker 3>thinking I'm more fascinated lately. And you mentioned this in

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<v Speaker 3>your weekly roundup of like they did Archie versus Predator.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh yeah, those are great, Yeah, no question about it.

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<v Speaker 4>In fact, the Archie I mentioned it to the same

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<v Speaker 4>I'm gonna mention it again. If you can read Archie

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<v Speaker 4>Versus Predator or Predator versus Archie, really it's fucking awesome.

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<v Speaker 3>Like I want to seek that out, but I know

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<v Speaker 3>they all they've done. Maybe it wasn't dark Horse, but

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<v Speaker 3>I've seen Batman Versus Predator. Judge dread versus Predator. It's

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<v Speaker 3>I think there was even like a Marvel like a

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<v Speaker 3>spider Man versus Predator. So it's this easy shorthand like

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<v Speaker 3>everybody knows the Predator, and everybody knows these solid comic

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<v Speaker 3>properties like a like like Archie or like Batman. So

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<v Speaker 3>I guess it's almost like this interesting what if that

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<v Speaker 3>they keep coming back to, like what if Batman actually

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<v Speaker 3>went up against.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, you can plug him in and everyone knows exactly

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01:07:53.719 --> 01:07:57.920
<v Speaker 4>what you're gonna get. Like, he's really indelible, I say,

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<v Speaker 4>he like they're all the kind of the same, because

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<v Speaker 4>they are all the same. The irony being HP and

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<v Speaker 4>we're going to get into this the further we get

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<v Speaker 4>into the movies, because he's only I mean, he's the

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<v Speaker 4>main antagonist of this film, but he's not in it

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<v Speaker 4>a whole lot. Like we're gonna get a whole lot

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<v Speaker 4>more Predator and more of them as the films progress,

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<v Speaker 4>so we'll get more into their sort of personal mythology

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<v Speaker 4>and stuff. But the irony for me is that I

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<v Speaker 4>fucking hate hunters. I have no use for hunting for sport.

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<v Speaker 4>I just think it's detestable. And but for some reason,

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<v Speaker 4>when these guys are doing it. Maybe it's because they're

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<v Speaker 4>hunting us and we deserve it.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, they there's no subterfuge within it with a predator, right,

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<v Speaker 3>It's not like they can make the argument that they're

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<v Speaker 3>hunting to survive, or they're hunting for this reason, or

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<v Speaker 3>that they're the only reason they exist in this In

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<v Speaker 3>these movies, in this series is to hunt people, not

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<v Speaker 3>just people, because I know that there's indications they've hunted

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<v Speaker 3>like I think in Predator too, will talk about there's

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<v Speaker 3>an alien skull as an easter egg in an alien

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<v Speaker 3>ship or in the predatorship, but that there's some refreshing

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<v Speaker 3>about that, that there's no there's no confusion about the

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<v Speaker 3>Predator's motives. It is just there to hunt for sport.

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<v Speaker 3>End of story. How are they going to get out

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<v Speaker 3>of it? How are the protagonists going to deal with

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<v Speaker 3>this implacable force coming at them?

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<v Speaker 4>You know, you say you're doing an alien movie. You

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01:09:18.359 --> 01:09:20.520
<v Speaker 4>don't know what those aliens want. They might want to

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<v Speaker 4>eat you, they might want to impregnate you with future spawn,

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<v Speaker 4>They might have some other fucking purpose for you, not

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<v Speaker 4>with the Predator. You know where you stand. Predator shows up, Well,

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01:09:29.399 --> 01:09:31.199
<v Speaker 4>it's going to fucking hunt you and kill you the end.

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<v Speaker 4>That's it. Got to love it. It's like it's like

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<v Speaker 4>a shark, right, It's a perfect machine, all right. It

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<v Speaker 4>basically just eats and swims and makes a little sharks

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<v Speaker 4>and that's all it does anyway. All right, HP Until

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<v Speaker 4>our next Predator Fest question marks, somebody please write in

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<v Speaker 4>and give us a new name. I'm tired of naming

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<v Speaker 4>things and I want your help. You can help us, reader, listener,

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<v Speaker 4>viewer Midnight.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, well what I'm I'm not trying to think of

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<v Speaker 3>other names for Predator Fest. You can find me elsewhere

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<v Speaker 3>on the weirding Way Network. I co host The Night

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<v Speaker 3>Mister Walters Taxi Podcast, excellent show. All thank you, well

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<v Speaker 3>you are you're half the reason for it being so

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<v Speaker 3>popular because you're the co host.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh that's what I like about it.

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<v Speaker 3>I am an occasional guest on the Culture Cast with Christashu.

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<v Speaker 3>I host the Noise Junkies music podcast, and last but

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<v Speaker 3>not least, I have a band campsite hpmusicplace dot bandcamp

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<v Speaker 3>dot com.

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<v Speaker 4>I've plugged that enough. Midnight Viewers stick with us here

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<v Speaker 4>during our many fests. We've got Fusco Fest going. We've

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<v Speaker 4>got this Predator fest going with it? Is there going

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<v Speaker 4>to be a Moranus Fest HP? We'll talk about it later.

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<v Speaker 4>Could be we do love us a Rick moranis and

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<v Speaker 4>we're already one movie. No, maybe you let us know, viewers,

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<v Speaker 4>let us know until next time. Here's a bit from Predators.

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<v Speaker 6>Why because nobody else could have pulled it off? You

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<v Speaker 6>pissed about the cover story. I knew I couldn't get

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<v Speaker 6>you in here without it? So what story did you

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<v Speaker 6>hint to Hopper? Look, we've been looking for this place

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<v Speaker 6>for months. My men were in that chopper when I

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<v Speaker 6>got hit. Hopper's orders would have go in and get

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<v Speaker 6>my men, and he disappeared. He didn't disappear. He was

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<v Speaker 6>stine alive, and my orders would have got somebody, and

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<v Speaker 6>who could crack these bastards?

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<v Speaker 2>So he cooked up a story and dropped the six

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<v Speaker 2>of us in a meat grinder?

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<v Speaker 4>What happened to you?

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<v Speaker 2>Doner here used to be somebody that could trust.

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<v Speaker 1>I woke up.

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<v Speaker 2>Why don't you the asset unexpendable asset?

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<v Speaker 1>And I used you to get the job done?

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<v Speaker 5>Got it?

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<v Speaker 1>It's my man a not expand the books

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<v Speaker 5>Sets
