Speaker 1: M weird way.
Speaker 2: H read we can kill a.
Speaker 1: Shot it out the way English language?
Speaker 2: What the hell are you?
Speaker 3: Yell? Everybody?
Speaker 4: Look around? What is that thing that it looks like
Speaker 4: it's I can see through it, but it looks like,
Speaker 4: I don't know, like plastic, like a plastic shell. Maybe
Speaker 4: it was three dots. I'm dead.
Speaker 3: That was state of the art.
Speaker 4: God wouldn't it You could be visible finally and we
Speaker 4: would buy it as a patron. The year is nineteen
Speaker 4: eighty seven, HB. And I are fourteen years old amongst us?
Speaker 2: Is it?
Speaker 5: Oh?
Speaker 4: Yeah, no, we definitely are, because we're talking about June twelfth,
Speaker 4: nineteen eighty seven. If you're tuning into oh man, right now,
Speaker 4: it's Predator Fest. I don't like Predator Fest. I like
Speaker 4: that we're doing fests. I like that it's a thing
Speaker 4: we do now, but I don't like that it's called fests.
Speaker 4: It reminds me of a festivus for the rest of us.
Speaker 3: I don't know. I don't have any great pity reply.
Speaker 3: I don't know. You have to have the word predator
Speaker 3: in there, but I don't know where you go from
Speaker 3: there other.
Speaker 4: Than fest about predator party.
Speaker 3: I you know, I was about to say Predator party,
Speaker 3: but that sounds like yay, we're gonna have a predator party.
Speaker 4: How about Predator Party USA? And we have hits of
Speaker 4: the eighties and predators dancing in scantily clad and we'll
Speaker 4: put it on USA Network.
Speaker 3: With the USA Up all Night.
Speaker 4: Remember that this was in the afternoon. What are you
Speaker 4: talking about? Up all Night? Had many variations, by the way,
Speaker 4: because I remember Gilbert Gonfried as a host. I remember
Speaker 4: what's her face? And I remember Canda Sheer and Captain
Speaker 4: Captain underpants guy with his cigar.
Speaker 3: Captain underpants guy.
Speaker 4: Remember what you're talking about, Captain Captain cigar guy, Captain
Speaker 4: grizzle butt.
Speaker 3: I have no idea you remember him?
Speaker 4: Remember this famous catchphrase, Hey kids, what's going on in
Speaker 4: the sewers? Remember that.
Speaker 3: You're making this up, you're putting me on.
Speaker 4: Actually, yes, all right, what we're talking about is Predator
Speaker 4: everybody HP you know him from Night mister Walters and
Speaker 4: from Noise Junkies fucking fantastic show. Hi, Ivan, and this
Speaker 4: is Predator Fest for lack of a better term, where
Speaker 4: you're looking at Predator HPSA Hi to everybody, how are
Speaker 4: you there?
Speaker 2: Hi?
Speaker 3: I'm feeling very festy. Let's do this.
Speaker 4: You're you a fan of Predator? What's your experienced with Predator?
Speaker 4: Did you see Predator in the theater? I bet you
Speaker 4: I did.
Speaker 3: It was a sensation. That was the big budget movie
Speaker 3: that I remember from nineteen eighty seven. That was the
Speaker 3: summer blockbuster. And you'd better believe I was there. I
Speaker 3: saw it in the movies.
Speaker 2: Were a rescue team, not assassins.
Speaker 1: Now what are we gonna do.
Speaker 5: In a part of the world where there are no rules?
Speaker 6: We pick up their trailer the chopper, run them down,
Speaker 6: grab those hostages before anybody knows we were there.
Speaker 5: What do you mean we deep in the jungle where
Speaker 5: nothing that lives is safe.
Speaker 2: You lose it here.
Speaker 4: You're in the world to hurt Showtime, Jim.
Speaker 1: Not an elite rescue squad.
Speaker 5: You're pleading man. Time is being led by the ultimate warrior.
Speaker 5: We need the best. That's why you're here.
Speaker 2: But now, what's got Phillis has booked.
Speaker 5: There's something else they're waiting for us.
Speaker 1: Ain't no man.
Speaker 5: They're up against the ultimate enemy God. Nothing like it
Speaker 5: has ever been unearthed before.
Speaker 3: She says, the jungle just came alive and took.
Speaker 5: A fo We cannot see.
Speaker 4: It, no blood, no bodies, we nothing.
Speaker 5: But it sees the heat of our bodies and the
Speaker 5: heat of our fear.
Speaker 2: Whatever it is out there killed Happa, and.
Speaker 1: Now it wants us.
Speaker 5: It kills for pleasure.
Speaker 3: He will sin alive.
Speaker 1: It hunts for sports, skillless one at the.
Speaker 5: Time, We're all going guy, But this time it's picked
Speaker 5: the wrong man to hunt.
Speaker 2: If it pleads, we can kill it.
Speaker 5: Twentieth Century Fox presents Arnold Schwarzenegger Predator. The Hunt begins Friday,
Speaker 5: June twelfth at theaters everywhere.
Speaker 3: Not being a big horror fan, I remember being a
Speaker 3: little bit trepidacious about the prospect. But then again, it
Speaker 3: had Arnold and it felt like more of a sci
Speaker 3: fi movie, at least from my judging of the commercials
Speaker 3: and so forth. So yeah, I was excited to see it,
Speaker 3: a little nervous, but it was fantastic. I'm sure you
Speaker 3: saw it in the theaters that summer as well.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, many times of this movie. In fact, was
Speaker 4: this the year, No, it was the year, this was
Speaker 4: the year. This is the first year I started working
Speaker 4: in a movie theater, so it was this summer. But
Speaker 4: this did not play at my movie theater. I had
Speaker 4: to go seek it out. I luckily was able to
Speaker 4: go to a different showcase cinemas to see it. So
Speaker 4: I did the one in Revere.
Speaker 3: Why didn't it play it all of the showcase cinemas.
Speaker 4: Because sometimes a theater would be too close that was
Speaker 4: a competition theater, so not showcased or like a general
Speaker 4: cinemas would be close by, and they got that, like
Speaker 4: we didn't get die Hard when that came out. We
Speaker 4: didn't get die Hard when it came out the action movie,
Speaker 4: like are you kidding me? I was so angry that
Speaker 4: I had to go to another theater. I had to
Speaker 4: have my theater call another theater and then fucking get
Speaker 4: a ride to that theater. So I go see die
Speaker 4: Hard once and not see it a thousand times, which
Speaker 4: was the plan because I was an usher and could
Speaker 4: do anyway.
Speaker 3: How many times did you see Predator?
Speaker 4: Again? It was in another theater, but I did see
Speaker 4: it three times, probably that summer cool No no, no, no, none, none,
Speaker 4: And at least one of those times was probably, I
Speaker 4: hate to say, it was probably a lie. I probably
Speaker 4: told my parents parents I was going to see something else,
Speaker 4: just so I could see Predator again and not be
Speaker 4: embarrassed that I was going to see it again, because
Speaker 4: I was, as you, obsessed with this movie. This was
Speaker 4: perfect timing for a film. It was an action movie
Speaker 4: with horror elements, it was science fiction. It was Arnold Schwarzenegger,
Speaker 4: who had finally thrown off the shackles of Sylvester Stallone,
Speaker 4: who was his self appointed action guy of the nineteen eighties.
Speaker 4: Here was somebody who was charismatic and fun and you
Speaker 4: believed him when he was out there fighting it. So
Speaker 4: the fact that he was, as you said, in this
Speaker 4: movie was not only comforting as far as the fact
Speaker 4: that we were going to be delving into sort of
Speaker 4: horror elements of it, but it legitimized the movie in
Speaker 4: our eyes at least. I'm assuming like wholesale anything by
Speaker 4: now Schwarzenegger was touching was fucking gold for us kids.
Speaker 3: He was I'm trying to think he before this was Commando.
Speaker 3: Of course, probably a bunch of other movies like Raw
Speaker 3: Deal probably was for this. This feels I don't have
Speaker 3: it in front of me, but this kind of feels
Speaker 3: like this might have been hit one of his big
Speaker 3: coming out pictures as far as being a big summer blockbuster.
Speaker 4: You know draw right, because look, you and I both
Speaker 4: knew him very well by now, because he was Conan
Speaker 4: the Barbarian. He was also the Terminatorator. Yeah, so like
Speaker 4: that one two punch alone. Not to mention, I'm sure
Speaker 4: you saw the document Did you see the documentary by now?
Speaker 4: Probably not?
Speaker 3: I did not the one on Netflix. I haven't seen it.
Speaker 4: No, I'm talking about like Stay Hungry, I'm talking about
Speaker 4: Pumping Iron. I'm talking about Arnold.
Speaker 3: Oh no, no, I don't get it. I don't misunderstand me.
Speaker 3: I've seen Pumping Iron probably about one hundred and fifty times.
Speaker 3: I love that because he is charisma incarnate in that movie.
Speaker 3: I know years later he claims that a lot of
Speaker 3: it was staged, and it might very well have been.
Speaker 3: There may not have been that sort of rivalry between
Speaker 3: him and Lou Farigno. You know, Lufaigno's dad didn't really
Speaker 3: train him. I don't care. Arnold Schwarzenegger jumps off that
Speaker 3: fucking screen with Pumping Iron. It's astounding how charismatic he is.
Speaker 4: Agreed, But my question was, had you seen it by
Speaker 4: the time you saw.
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, no, I had not seen it before I
Speaker 3: saw Predator, so but I think my knowledge of Arnold
Speaker 3: at this point would have been Terminator. It would have
Speaker 3: been Conan, of course, Conaner the Destroyer. I don't know
Speaker 3: that I got into any of the other sort of
Speaker 3: lesser pictures, but certainly he Commando was a big one.
Speaker 3: Commando was huge on Cable at that point.
Speaker 4: I think Commando settled him for like suburban white American
Speaker 4: boys as an action here and then this movie is
Speaker 4: the movie. I think this is the movie that actually
Speaker 4: breaks him wide as far as crossover appeal for mass audiences,
Speaker 4: because it isn't straight ahead action where they're just hopping
Speaker 4: people's arms off, although it has that, it's got and
Speaker 4: it's not just science fiction fair like we have to
Speaker 4: buy into this far fetched plot like we had with Terminator. Instead,
Speaker 4: it's like the best of all possible worlds. This movie
Speaker 4: is a crazy mashup that works because it's a mashup
Speaker 4: of things that hadn't yet really been done.
Speaker 3: The first quarter of this movie, and I know we'll
Speaker 3: talk about the plot of it, but essentially the first
Speaker 3: quarter of this movie is has really very little to
Speaker 3: do with the Predator himself. It's really about these Special
Speaker 3: Forces operatives coming in to do a search and extraction
Speaker 3: of somebody who's crashed in the jungle in central in
Speaker 3: South America somewhere. So for that first quarter of the movie,
Speaker 3: it basically plays like Commando or like any number of
Speaker 3: action movies, like a Rambo type of movie. It's just
Speaker 3: these guys in the jungle shooting an awful lot of
Speaker 3: round said, a lot of faceless gorilla rebels. So in
Speaker 3: that way, it was brilliant because it gave you what
Speaker 3: you expected from a Schwarzenegger action extravaganza before it started
Speaker 3: layering in all of the horror and science fiction elements.
Speaker 3: I think that's so incredibly astute.
Speaker 4: Not only that, not only did it feel like we
Speaker 4: were getting the generic action movies that we had expected
Speaker 4: from Schwarzenegger up until, but it's also the best directed
Speaker 4: of any of them up until that. Not Terminator, not Conan,
Speaker 4: those are separate. We're talking like when Schwarzenegger became an
Speaker 4: action star and was now going to be doing action movies.
Speaker 4: This one is so superior. Had this just been about
Speaker 4: his team being hunted by another team and not a
Speaker 4: predator from space, this was guaranteed to be an entertaining
Speaker 4: film from beginning to end. It was guaranteed to be
Speaker 4: better than like Raw Deal, his fora to the Italian Mafia.
Speaker 4: This was going to be better than The running Man,
Speaker 4: that was the other big one at the time. And
Speaker 4: that's sci fi all the way. That's capitalizing on Oh hey,
Speaker 4: he did the Terminator. Maybe people like in sci fi
Speaker 4: like this guy, but that movie was garbage. People like it.
Speaker 4: I know you enjoyed it. I'm sure I can watch
Speaker 4: it ironically and enjoy it too, But that's a terrible movie,
Speaker 4: certainly nowhere near the level of Predator. Predators feels like
Speaker 4: a real fucking movie. Predator feels like it could be
Speaker 4: nominated for awards.
Speaker 3: Predator's got better action, it's got better direction, it's got
Speaker 3: a better budget, and it's got it sure as hell,
Speaker 3: has better music, and it's got better acting across the board.
Speaker 3: This movie has it. It's like you said, it's like
Speaker 3: he put everything together at this point, the sort of
Speaker 3: the stuff that would translate to the white suburban kids
Speaker 3: like myself. It's got just all of the heavy artillery
Speaker 3: that people are looking for in a big action, you know,
Speaker 3: adventure like this. But then what was so incredible, and
Speaker 3: what still blows me away watching it even today is
Speaker 3: the predator stuff, the sci fi stuff, the gore, the
Speaker 3: horror is it blends so effortless, effortlessly it should you
Speaker 3: would think there you'd see scenes where one ends and
Speaker 3: the other begins, but it's so well done, and the
Speaker 3: movie kind of morphs from that Rambo style, let's just
Speaker 3: go into this rebel compound and kill everybody and rescue
Speaker 3: the hostages to oh shit, we're being hunted by something
Speaker 3: that we that's not from this planet. That it's one
Speaker 3: creature that's wiping us all out, and we have to
Speaker 3: figure out a way to Now we're hunted. God, what
Speaker 3: a great movie, Jesus Christ.
Speaker 4: And you know what's funny, because you and I are
Speaker 4: of the same agent from this time period, the idea
Speaker 4: that this kind of a mashup would work at all
Speaker 4: is still foreign in our minds. I think audiences today
Speaker 4: and younger kids today would go, yeah, of course, well, yeah,
Speaker 4: a special he had a Forces team being hunted by
Speaker 4: an alien creature. That makes total sense. But for us
Speaker 4: growing up like that kind of high concept stuff was
Speaker 4: always suspect in the greater sort of pop cultural scene
Speaker 4: like I remember at the same time the movie RoboCop
Speaker 4: coming out Johnson based on that name, people like scoffing
Speaker 4: at it, like that's ridiculous, though, it's just gonna be
Speaker 4: a robot cop. Okay, what else are they going to
Speaker 4: fucking slam together?
Speaker 2: You know? Oh?
Speaker 4: How about this and this? You know, how about fucking
Speaker 4: alien like and a special Forces thing? That's equally stupid.
Speaker 4: And yet maybe they had a point because nobody was
Speaker 4: actually taking it seriously. Nobody was John McTiernan going, We're
Speaker 4: gonna make the fucking greatest action movie.
Speaker 3: Of all time, And by god, he did that.
Speaker 4: He let's talk before I'll let's speak for a second. Sorry,
Speaker 4: but I just don't want to get the stats out
Speaker 4: here because Predator released on June the twelfth, nineteen eighty seven.
Speaker 4: Written by Jim and John Thomas. I've spoken about them
Speaker 4: over on the Weekly Round. You can hear my thing
Speaker 4: about one of the most recent Predator movies. Directed by
Speaker 4: John McTiernan. This movie starred Arnold Schwarzenegger, Carl Weathers, Bill Duke,
Speaker 4: Jesse Ventura, Sonny Landam, Richard Chavez, R. G. Armstrong, Shane Black,
Speaker 4: Kevin Peter Hall as of the Predator and Elpdia Carrillo
Speaker 4: as Anna and uncredited Franco Colombo, savan Oli, Thorston. If
Speaker 4: you're gonna have a Schwarzenegger movie, they're gonna show up somewhere.
Speaker 4: They're going to be in your movie. And the voice
Speaker 4: HP you and I were talking about earlier, the technical
Speaker 4: voice of the Predators Peter Cullen, who is the voice
Speaker 4: of Optimus Prime. He is also doing the vocalizations of
Speaker 4: the Predator. So all of that clickety clacketting you're hearing
Speaker 4: that the Predator is making, that is Peter Cullen attempting
Speaker 4: to replicate the sound of a dying horseshoe crab that
Speaker 4: he had once heard.
Speaker 3: You know, a lot is made. I don't remember the actress,
Speaker 3: but the actress who did the voice of the devil
Speaker 3: in the Exorcist. Do you remember this when Reagan is
Speaker 3: possessed and there was a lot made of the what
Speaker 3: this actress, I don't remember her name, but had to
Speaker 3: do to get this voice to come out the way
Speaker 3: it did? Fuck that? I I until recently when I
Speaker 3: found out that actor did the voice of the Predator.
Speaker 3: If you had told me they did, like a wookie
Speaker 3: thing where they just took sounds of random creatures and
Speaker 3: processed them and mashed them together and did this. I
Speaker 3: would have said, that makes perfect sense. I still have
Speaker 3: no idea how that clickety clacketty sound came out of
Speaker 3: a human throat. It's mystifying to me.
Speaker 4: Well, I'm sure they've manipulated it in some way, but
Speaker 4: you know that now. Yeah, I want to say now
Speaker 4: that you know it, but it is still alien to
Speaker 4: me sounding. It's still a great sound and they've just
Speaker 4: been making variations on it ever since. Because it is
Speaker 4: so specific. You know, when a predator shows up on screen,
Speaker 4: we could be watching an entirely different movie. Speaking of
Speaker 4: like mashups. If I was watching an episod out of
Speaker 4: Sex in the City and I heard that sound and
Speaker 4: be like, oh, fuck, a predator's about to show up
Speaker 4: and kill some people.
Speaker 3: It's chilling. When you hear that sound, you know that
Speaker 3: somebody is probably about to die, that the predator has
Speaker 3: the drop on somebody. It's brilliant. I don't know. I
Speaker 3: think it's amazing that the idea that he had in
Speaker 3: his head for this horseshoe crab business, but it fucking works.
Speaker 3: It's amazing.
Speaker 4: By the way, Mercedes McCambridge is the voice you were
Speaker 4: talking about the Vice of Reagan and yeah in the
Speaker 4: Exorcist and yeah, but I agree, this is much more
Speaker 4: indelible now. This is in. It is inextricably linked to
Speaker 4: the Predator and all thanks to mister Peter Cullins, our
Speaker 4: once and future Optimist Prime. Now I'm gonna have to
Speaker 4: pause here and go let my dog in because she's
Speaker 4: standing at the door and whining.
Speaker 3: Hold on, okay, face says something I can't even stand it. Oh,
Speaker 3: she is adorable.
Speaker 4: It's a very cute dog. Miss Ripley James making her
Speaker 4: appearance here on Predator Fest for the first time the movie.
Speaker 4: She cannot launch, by the way, because I fucking tried,
Speaker 4: which is oh no. As soon as the fucking Predator
Speaker 4: shows up, it's fucking barking Fest nineteen nineties, nineteen eighty seven.
Speaker 4: It's just like, what is that thing? We gotta kill it.
Speaker 4: This thing is menacing us. It's trying to get us
Speaker 4: from the jungle. Yeah, it's bad news.
Speaker 3: Really, Oh wow, that's crazy.
Speaker 4: Oh, Pugs. Evidently I've been talking to Paul Waller over
Speaker 4: on a year in horror podcast. He also has a pug.
Speaker 4: He can't watch movies with horses because his pug, mister Puggles,
Speaker 4: goes insane for horses.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Lucy is funny. She just watches TV passively. She
Speaker 3: doesn't seem to care what's on there. But like every
Speaker 3: once in a while we'll get a mouse will be
Speaker 3: in the house, Like right now, I think there's one
Speaker 3: in the wall because I can hear it's critchy scrap
Speaker 3: and if she catches like a if she hears it,
Speaker 3: she's like she starts scratching the wall where it is.
Speaker 3: I think if she could get to it, I think
Speaker 3: she would probably like kill the thing in too.
Speaker 4: Maybe she knows it's not a mouse but a tiny predator.
Speaker 3: Maybe clicking Whish I could do the clicking sound, I
Speaker 3: would have done it right.
Speaker 4: What's the story here? HP?
Speaker 3: So the story is Arnold Schwarzenegger leads. He plays Dutch.
Speaker 3: He leads a team of There are special forces. I
Speaker 3: don't know the exact designation for his team, but there
Speaker 3: are centers.
Speaker 4: They're a black they're a Black Ops team. Obviously they're
Speaker 4: sent into They're a Wetworks special They are the kind
Speaker 4: of thing you'd been hearing about.
Speaker 3: But at the same time he does say like, I
Speaker 3: don't do that kind of work. It's a hostage rescue.
Speaker 3: He's called in. Him and his team are called in
Speaker 3: because he's been told by Carl Weathers's Dylan, who is
Speaker 3: a former comrade who now works for the CIA. He's
Speaker 3: been told that there was a helicopter crash in the
Speaker 3: jungle and they have to go in and rescue these
Speaker 3: like an emissary or something. So they have to who's
Speaker 3: been captured by this gorilla rebel team. So Arnold and
Speaker 3: his group go in. They to rescue these operatives, and
Speaker 3: they soon find out that it's not alway isn't exactly
Speaker 3: what it seems. First of all, they've been they've essentially
Speaker 3: been lied to by the Dylan and the CIA. They're
Speaker 3: not actually there to rescue who they thought they were
Speaker 3: going to have to. But in the midst of all
Speaker 3: of these sort of double crosses, it turns out there's
Speaker 3: this creature, this predator, that is in the jungle that
Speaker 3: is hunting for sport. And because these guys have the
Speaker 3: biggest guns ever made, essentially they're on the predator's radar,
Speaker 3: and the predator starts picking them off, and they have
Speaker 3: to find a way to get to the choppa before
Speaker 3: the predator kills all of them. That's the basic plot
Speaker 3: of this movie. Lean and mean, predator trying to kill them,
Speaker 3: got to get out.
Speaker 4: What is Dylan's actual plot? Then spoil it for everybody.
Speaker 4: Spoil this movie that's forty some odd years old.
Speaker 3: Spoil it. So essentially, they were told that the advisor
Speaker 3: was he was a cabinet minister and his aid. But
Speaker 3: then it turns out the advisor on the chopper was
Speaker 3: actually Cia. And there's also evidence that there's all these
Speaker 3: dead Russian military advisors in the mix, so there's more
Speaker 3: to the story. Dylan has left out all of this
Speaker 3: because he told Dutch what he had to tell him
Speaker 3: to get him into the jungle. But and I think,
Speaker 3: don't if I'm not mistaken. Isn't this reference in another
Speaker 3: Predator where they actually the real purpose for them to
Speaker 3: go into the jungle was like an alien thing where
Speaker 3: aliens think where they were trying to actually capture a predator.
Speaker 3: So they used Arnold's team Dutch's team to try and
Speaker 3: expedite this is.
Speaker 4: That predator too. We discover that the shadowy government that
Speaker 4: would employ a mercenary team like Dutches. I have known
Speaker 4: about the predators for years and have been tracking their
Speaker 4: movements here on Earth, and as you said, are now
Speaker 4: trying to capture one. In Predator two, that the whole
Speaker 4: meat packing sequence where they know the predator is hold
Speaker 4: up at night like they're trying to capture it. There,
Speaker 4: I remember that. But but yeah, my point here is
Speaker 4: what I like about this movie rewatching. What I like
Speaker 4: about it that even though Dylan Carl Weathers has ulterior
Speaker 4: motives here, he's still he's in the dark as anyone
Speaker 4: else is when it comes to the predator. This isn't
Speaker 4: the case of from here on, every time somebody runs
Speaker 4: into a predator there's going to be a government agent
Speaker 4: who's going to be like, we've been watching these guys
Speaker 4: for years, from every single time, and here's the only
Speaker 4: time that they didn't employ it, and it's my favorite
Speaker 4: time because everyone's in the dark.
Speaker 3: Yeah, no one knows what's going on. Even the guy
Speaker 3: who knows more than he let on at the beginning
Speaker 3: of the movie that this is way out of his purview.
Speaker 3: He could not have fathomed anything like this happening in
Speaker 3: this movie. And actually that's one of the things I
Speaker 3: love about that I keyed in on a little bit
Speaker 3: more watching it now after so many years, is Carl
Speaker 3: Weather's performance is really good because he has to play
Speaker 3: that sort of officious well. First, he has to essentially
Speaker 3: pretend that the mission is this when he knows full
Speaker 3: well that it's not what he signed Dutch up for.
Speaker 3: And Dutch confronts him and there's almost, like I don't
Speaker 3: want to say, like a helplessness. But the Weather's plays
Speaker 3: it really well, like he's trying to hold it together,
Speaker 3: but he can feel this all falling apart every step
Speaker 3: of the way because now nobody trusts him once they
Speaker 3: realize that he's given them a sham of a story
Speaker 3: to get them to go into the jungle, risking everybody's lives.
Speaker 3: But then they have to find a way still to
Speaker 3: work together because now there's this other force that's closing
Speaker 3: in on all of them regardless of this original mission.
Speaker 3: So Carl Weathers is really he's underrated in this. I
Speaker 3: think I didn't think about that so much when I
Speaker 3: first saw it, but he's his part is actually it's
Speaker 3: somewhat tricky, and he plays it well.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a great dynamic to have that they've made
Speaker 4: him untrustworthy for the rest of the team, but ultimately
Speaker 4: he is trustworthy. He wants to survive just like everybody else.
Speaker 4: He's not there for any fucking predator action. He just
Speaker 4: wants to fucking get whatever mysterious dossier and get the
Speaker 4: fuck out. But and I like that because, as I said,
Speaker 4: I hate to keep reiterating it, but like you know,
Speaker 4: as soon as aliens would come out, we got the
Speaker 4: same sort of idea where Burke is ultimately a company
Speaker 4: man trying to get the alien past there. You know,
Speaker 4: like you can say that he didn't know what they all, Like,
Speaker 4: the company knew those marines were sent in because they
Speaker 4: knew full well that their re aliens involved, and they
Speaker 4: wanted to take some of those aliens home, and they
Speaker 4: didn't care who the fuck got killed in the way.
Speaker 4: Here we've got, like you said, poor Carl Weathers just
Speaker 4: going like, fuck, these guys don't trust me, But I'm
Speaker 4: just as vulnerable as they are.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and he's almost more vulnerable because they don't trust him.
Speaker 3: And not only that, but he has made the decision
Speaker 3: after they kill everybody in this rebel camp, there's this
Speaker 3: one woman that they that survives that they save this
Speaker 3: woman Anna, it's his decision to take her into custody
Speaker 3: and trump through the jungle with this, with this, with
Speaker 3: this hostile you know, prisoner basically, so he's saddled with her.
Speaker 3: It's but the thing about it is ultimately what you're
Speaker 3: talking about it. They could have made it that, you know,
Speaker 3: it's a government plot to retrieve a predator. But it's
Speaker 3: just another example of how lean this script, this story is,
Speaker 3: because that would have made that would have added a
Speaker 3: little one too many layers of obfuscation to what is
Speaker 3: essentially a you know, kill or be killed story. That's
Speaker 3: basically what this all boils down to. It's a bunch
Speaker 3: of tough army dudes against one state of the art
Speaker 3: killing machine of a predator. That's it. There's no business
Speaker 3: of them trying to trap it, take it back to
Speaker 3: study it, to dissect it. None of that matters. They
Speaker 3: just want to get out of the jungle alive. That's
Speaker 3: all they want to do. HP name a perfect action
Speaker 3: perfect Well, I give you the easy answer. I would
Speaker 3: say Predator is the perfect action film. I would say, well,
Speaker 3: I have to think about it. A little bit. I
Speaker 3: was gonnas, let me think, give me a minute, Give
Speaker 3: me a minute, I am. I guess could you? Could you?
Speaker 3: I would say Raiders of the Lost Arc is a
Speaker 3: perfect action film.
Speaker 4: Perfect action.
Speaker 3: I would say that would I'll leave it there. I
Speaker 3: could sit here and think around the haw, but that's it.
Speaker 4: Right around the same time as Predator, we had a
Speaker 4: film called die Hard. I would consider that a perfect
Speaker 4: action film.
Speaker 3: How could I not have thought about that? That's Mac tiernan.
Speaker 3: That is the quintessential summer blockbuster action film. I take
Speaker 3: it back. Die Hard is the perfect movie.
Speaker 4: When I think about Cold War thriller action films, I
Speaker 4: would say a perfect example of that might be The
Speaker 4: Hunt for Red October.
Speaker 3: If you're looking for something with comedy, I would and
Speaker 3: it's maybe straining the action moniker. I would say, Back
Speaker 3: to the Future is the perfect action comedy.
Speaker 4: That's a perfect film as well. Yeah, the script is perfect.
Speaker 4: You know there are several point being of the like
Speaker 4: five we just mentioned, Two of those were or three
Speaker 4: were directed by John McTiernan. John McTiernan, yep, who is
Speaker 4: our director or Predator, and for a while, man, he
Speaker 4: just could do no wrong. Unfortunately, his interest led us
Speaker 4: back to the Jungle with fucking Sean Connery and that
Speaker 4: god awful Medicine Man movie, which was a total fumble.
Speaker 4: But I would say prior to this film, his only
Speaker 4: other film at the time was a film called Nomads
Speaker 4: starring Pierce Brosnan and Adam Ant and Mary Warnoff and
Speaker 4: I think Kate Nelligan, and that is a tiny independent
Speaker 4: horror movie and it doesn't make any sense. The plot
Speaker 4: is weird, Pierce Brosnan is doing a bizarre friend accent,
Speaker 4: and yet it's one of the most atmospheric movies that
Speaker 4: lives with me. It feels like a Michael Mann film.
Speaker 4: If Michael Mann had been interested in the supernatural, that
Speaker 4: would be Nomad's. So it's a weird choice to take
Speaker 4: that guy and go now, let's give him an Arnold
Speaker 4: Schwarzen action movie set in a jungle with a fucking alien. Nevertheless,
Speaker 4: whoever did it, bravo because he just kept knocking him
Speaker 4: out of the park from there on out three movies
Speaker 4: in a row.
Speaker 3: You've spoken your praises of Nomads in the past, and
Speaker 3: that's another one I have to hop on. I also
Speaker 3: will say recently, I'd say maybe a couple of years ago.
Speaker 3: I finally I happened to be. I was actually in Ireland,
Speaker 3: of all plays, dealing with a severe case of jet lag.
Speaker 3: I thought I was going crazy, and I'm in my
Speaker 3: hotel room and they happen to be showing on a
Speaker 3: loop The Thomas Crown Affair, which the remake which he
Speaker 3: did in nineteen ninety nine. Have you seen it, father blahlone?
Speaker 5: I have not.
Speaker 4: I was such an adherent to that original film that
Speaker 4: I could not see myself. Wait, isn't it Pierce Brosnan, Yes, oh,
Speaker 4: from Nomad's Shit. I should probably it's good.
Speaker 3: It's real good. It's everything you want out of a
Speaker 3: caper movie. And he was he still I would say
Speaker 3: mc tierney, and still had his Fastball he had just
Speaker 3: come off of. I think he had done the last
Speaker 3: die Hard. He did die Hard with a Vengeance.
Speaker 4: I like that one. That one's good.
Speaker 3: I like that too, So I don't I think it
Speaker 3: was probably right around I want to say Rollerball where
Speaker 3: the wheels really came off. Unfortunately, I think he did
Speaker 3: prison time. I think he was involved in that whole
Speaker 3: Pelicano wiretapping situation. But boy, oh boy, he really like
Speaker 3: you said. Everything he touched for a while turned to gold.
Speaker 3: He was the summer blockbuster director du jour.
Speaker 4: Look, the Last Action Hero was garbage. I don't care
Speaker 4: what people say. It's not some mysterious work of genius.
Speaker 4: It's not. It's a bunch of people fumbling. It's a
Speaker 4: bunch of people in the midst of a film movement
Speaker 4: trying to satirize that film movement. You can't do it
Speaker 4: from within.
Speaker 3: I will disagree to a point. I like that. I
Speaker 3: like Last Action I liked it when I saw it.
Speaker 3: I rewatched it maybe a few years ago. I enjoyed it.
Speaker 3: I'm not going to sit here and say that to
Speaker 3: your point that it's like this secretly one of the
Speaker 3: greatest satires of action cinema there ever was, I'm not
Speaker 3: going to go that far. I'm saying, like, it's actually
Speaker 3: remarkable that they got like the pre eminent action director
Speaker 3: to direct this satire. I think that's the true genius
Speaker 3: of But that's discussion a different day.
Speaker 4: And we're going to have to obviously watch the movie
Speaker 4: and talk about it in depth. But here's what I'll say,
Speaker 4: without having really delved back into it, since I basically
Speaker 4: saw it and I agree with you that the audaciousness
Speaker 4: of Shane Black writing an evisceration of how bloated and
Speaker 4: crazy act films have become, and then directed by the
Speaker 4: guy who really spearheaded it. Everything after Diehard was die
Speaker 4: Hard in a Blah blah blah. So that's the movie
Speaker 4: that was being pitched over and over again. So you
Speaker 4: had the two architects of this insanity, and now they're
Speaker 4: going to make fun of it. I agree, that's great.
Speaker 4: I just don't think they It's not that they didn't have.
Speaker 6: Look.
Speaker 4: First of all, McTiernan is not a comedy director. Whatever
Speaker 4: it is. The action stuff works in that movie fantasm.
Speaker 4: Why are we talking about this? I'm gonna I'm just
Speaker 4: let me finish this. The action stuff is great, the
Speaker 4: comedy stuff is okay, And I don't know, we're gonna
Speaker 4: have to watch that over it. But A Predator is
Speaker 4: it's worth discussing because it's Swarzenegger and McTiernan, and right
Speaker 4: now we're talking about Schwarzenegger and mcteern.
Speaker 3: Correct. It's hard to talk about the arc of McTiernan
Speaker 3: without talking about that. But that's week. Let's stick with Predator.
Speaker 4: Let us stick with Predator, and let's talk about the
Speaker 4: cast Predator beyond mister Schwarzenegger and mister carr Weathers. What
Speaker 4: a fucking team, man, What a bunch of misfits? What
Speaker 4: a motley? Who's your favorite? Who's your favorite on this team?
Speaker 4: I have mine?
Speaker 3: Ooh, really, you're hitting me with all kinds of good questions,
Speaker 3: you know who. I don't know that there's one favorite.
Speaker 3: If I have to pick a favorite, if you're forcing
Speaker 3: me to, I mac. I like Bill Duke. He seems
Speaker 3: to me, he feels like one of the more genuine guys.
Speaker 3: Like it's easy to point to a jesse Ventura and
Speaker 3: this big, muscle bound dude with a bandana and a
Speaker 3: giant gun. But Bill Duke just feels like a real
Speaker 3: soldier to me in some ways. And he's so weird
Speaker 3: in this he you know, he when he goes nuts
Speaker 3: after spoiler alert, Blaine jesse Ventura's character is killed, he
Speaker 3: goes he basically just loses his mind and he never
Speaker 3: really gets it back until, you know, for the rest
Speaker 3: of his time in the movie. But he's quiet, he's
Speaker 3: soft spoken, he's got that razor that he's always that's
Speaker 3: his thing. He's always dry shave his face with a
Speaker 3: disposable razor for some reason, I don't know.
Speaker 4: I love Mac.
Speaker 3: Who's your favorite?
Speaker 4: Mac is like the Sphinx character. He's like he comes
Speaker 4: off as wyse like and all knowing, like characters who
Speaker 4: are you know that say less and less during the
Speaker 4: course of a movie. You tend to look like what
Speaker 4: is going on with them?
Speaker 3: But they wanted they want Billy to be that because
Speaker 3: he's all missed the goal and he can hear sense
Speaker 3: things that no one else can sense. But for my money,
Speaker 3: Mac is the guy.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you mean Billy the Mystical Indian.
Speaker 3: Coincidentally the same name that he had in forty eight Hours.
Speaker 3: He was Billy Bear, same actor.
Speaker 4: Billy Barry and this is sunny Land. But I think
Speaker 4: they lean away from that. They're really not trafficking so
Speaker 4: much in the Mystical Indian thing. They're just saying he's
Speaker 4: a tracker because he's a tracker. Okay, look, he's a
Speaker 4: tracker and he's great at it.
Speaker 3: But I I if we're looking at, you know, someone
Speaker 3: who has a little bit of a weird sixth sense,
Speaker 3: he's the guy, whereas Mac is just a soldier. He
Speaker 3: does have any special abilities. He's not carrying a giant,
Speaker 3: fucking mini gun like Blaine. He's just a great soldier.
Speaker 4: And you're right, he does feel real because these people
Speaker 4: in real life are serious human beings, and several of
Speaker 4: them are going to be very soft spoken and never
Speaker 4: tip their hat or tip their hand in any direction.
Speaker 4: So it's good to have one of those. And Bill
Speaker 4: Duke sells that, like, you know, he is a serious
Speaker 4: contender and you would not want to fuck with him
Speaker 4: in any way, shape or form. Side note, I once
Speaker 4: ran into Bill Duke at a movie theater that I
Speaker 4: was working in. Came in to watch a movie and
Speaker 4: he's like, I'm six three and he dwarfed me and
Speaker 4: he was a mountain of a man.
Speaker 3: That's all serious dude, and a great director too.
Speaker 4: Great director, Rage and Harlem everybody. Okay, so who's your favorite?
Speaker 4: My favorite character when I saw the movie and for
Speaker 4: years and years was Jesse Ventura. I just loved how
Speaker 4: comic book he was. Yeah, I love that, Like when
Speaker 4: we first meet him and like it's basically him racking that. No,
Speaker 4: we don't first meet him, but once when the mini
Speaker 4: gun is introduced. First of all, nobody had ever done
Speaker 4: that in the movie before, we had seen maybe miniguns
Speaker 4: attached to the signs of helicopters. No one was total
Speaker 4: in one around, and it was only a matter of
Speaker 4: time between for either Schwarzenegger or Sylvester Stallone. We're going
Speaker 4: to tote a minigun around. Turns out it would be
Speaker 4: Schwarzenegger and Terminator too. But I loved that it was
Speaker 4: this minor character played by just you know. I loved
Speaker 4: Jesse Ventur. I love Jesse the Body Ventur as a wrestler,
Speaker 4: I thought he was a He was a fantastic heel
Speaker 4: and an even better commentator, and so that made me
Speaker 4: really happy that this was his big introductory film role.
Speaker 3: But he wasn't running man, Yeah.
Speaker 4: He wasn't running. But he's in it for like two
Speaker 4: seconds and then he gets his ass kicked by not Schwarzenegger.
Speaker 4: Here was heroic Jesse the Body of Torah, and it's
Speaker 4: a badass weapon and he gets all the coolest line.
Speaker 4: Ain't got time to bleed, I ain't got time to bleed.
Speaker 4: What a fucking line we burrowed in like an Alabama tic.
Speaker 4: He's great here son of him is put make you
Speaker 4: a sexual tyrannosaur like me, he's great here. But my
Speaker 4: favorite character, not Dutch, not Dylan, is probably this fucking
Speaker 4: Shane Black character just because what the joe? What is
Speaker 4: what is happening here? Like how has he not been
Speaker 4: squashed by somebody?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 4: Like clearly they like look sunny Landam likes him, Billy
Speaker 4: Bear likes him, but then Billy Bear seems to laugh
Speaker 4: at everything, so it's not like he finds this level
Speaker 4: of pussy jokes really hilarious or anything. And does he
Speaker 4: have another gear? Like is it like do you think
Speaker 4: like on this mission it's pussy jokes like before it
Speaker 4: was like father in lawn jokes or something, or like
Speaker 4: before it was like, you know, I don't know.
Speaker 3: Every mission he picks a different topic.
Speaker 4: And goes with it like what is it this time?
Speaker 5: Man?
Speaker 4: Like I'll tell you what, man, this kid I got
Speaker 4: a new kid at home arena to deal with their
Speaker 4: we don't want to hear. But by the way, we
Speaker 4: don't want to hear your fucking kid material anymore. None
Speaker 4: of us have kids. Man, we're still mercenaries even though
Speaker 4: you have a child, Like do the airplane food this time?
Speaker 3: So what I read doing a little bit of research.
Speaker 3: Is part of the reason why mc tiernan wanted Shane
Speaker 3: Black to play this character is because he wanted a
Speaker 3: writer to be on the set with him in case
Speaker 3: anything came up with the script or anything had to
Speaker 3: be rewritten or restyled. He wanted Shane Black there. I
Speaker 3: think that to me that kind of because he doesn't
Speaker 3: really do much in this He he makes those terrible jokes,
Speaker 3: which is funny, but he's just a nerd, like he
Speaker 3: doesn't really fit in with Jesse Ventura or Sonny Landam
Speaker 3: or Bill Duke. He's you know, he's got those giant
Speaker 3: geek glasses and everything. You know, it's inexplicable.
Speaker 4: Well, I gotta say honestly, at the time when I
Speaker 4: saw the movie, I had no idea it was screenwriter
Speaker 4: Shane Black. I thought like, Wow, they've got like a
Speaker 4: nerd on there, and I gotta say, hv The thought
Speaker 4: that followed was he must be a real fucking badass
Speaker 4: because he's hanging with these guys and they're tolerating him,
Speaker 4: and he's annoying and they're tolerating him like he's got
Speaker 4: to have something special. I'm sad that he doesn't get
Speaker 4: a moment really in the movie.
Speaker 3: He does get one moment, a brief moment when they're
Speaker 3: on the helicopter on their way to the rendezvous or whatever.
Speaker 3: He's reading like a map or something very intently and
Speaker 3: I think, I think Poncho. He smiles at somebody and says,
Speaker 3: look what I'm gonna do, and he has a ball
Speaker 3: in his hand or something like apple or a ball,
Speaker 3: and he throws it at Shane Black's character, thinking like
Speaker 3: he's gonna hit him in the head or something, but
Speaker 3: not even looking up from the map. Shane Black like
Speaker 3: kind of snatches this thing out of the air without
Speaker 3: he thinking about it. So they lead you to believe that, wow,
Speaker 3: this guy is like has preternatural reflexes and maybe he'll
Speaker 3: be some other like badass. That's his talent.
Speaker 4: That's my point. We get to see a taste of it,
Speaker 4: but we never see it in action when he never
Speaker 4: gets a moment to like do that before he's unceremoniously
Speaker 4: wasted by the predator and it's and he's one of
Speaker 4: the first to go, and he's one of the obvious
Speaker 4: first to go, like I would have preferred him to
Speaker 4: go like third or fourth in the line. You know
Speaker 4: what I mean, at least show us why this guy
Speaker 4: is part of the team other than he has fast
Speaker 4: reflexes and can riad a map.
Speaker 3: He is the first of the team to go.
Speaker 4: Well, there you go, all the more reasons shouldn't he
Speaker 4: have saved the girl with his lightning fast reflexes.
Speaker 3: It's it is pretty brutal when he goes. It actually
Speaker 3: is a pretty shocking thing because he's trying to reason
Speaker 3: with Anna with this prisoner that they have, and in
Speaker 3: the midst of it, the predator shoots him with that
Speaker 3: laser and it's one of those shots, like great shots,
Speaker 3: where she gets splattered with all and she's immediately shell
Speaker 3: shocked because she's, you know what, just know what she's witnessed.
Speaker 3: It's actually a really cool scene. Of course, he gets
Speaker 3: tooted away to become a trophy, but but his it
Speaker 3: serves a purpose. It shows you how completely like over
Speaker 3: the top violent this predator. He's not playing games. He's
Speaker 3: gonna he's gonna shoot you dead.
Speaker 4: Immediately they were skinned alive.
Speaker 3: See that, you know, that's the wee. I actually want
Speaker 3: to ask about that, but I forgot that there was
Speaker 3: all this business of them finding them skinned alive and
Speaker 3: all this stuff. I don't remember that so much in
Speaker 3: some of the later pictures. I think it's in Predator too,
Speaker 3: but they never do that. In Predator and Pray, for example,
Speaker 3: they whax over that that he just rips the skull
Speaker 3: out and that's it. He doesn't have to skin them.
Speaker 4: Over time, we've decided that the predator wants the skull
Speaker 4: and part of the spine and nothing else, and that
Speaker 4: the skinning of it, while haunted how scary for the
Speaker 4: first film that they would they go to find their
Speaker 4: contacts and they're all hung up and they've all been
Speaker 4: eviscerated like as if a hunting trophy or you know,
Speaker 4: like a hunter would do, because they're going to eat it.
Speaker 4: Like the skinning of it makes it seem like that's
Speaker 4: on the table. Literally.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but it is a horrifying tableau when they happen
Speaker 3: upon these because they effectively they find the crew of
Speaker 3: this helicopter that they're searching for and they've been as
Speaker 3: you say, skinned alive and hung up like like a game. Basically,
Speaker 3: it is a horrifying image and it makes you think,
Speaker 3: holy shit, like what this is? What's going to happen?
Speaker 3: To these guys.
Speaker 4: Well, and the thing is, you know, we get the
Speaker 4: moment here where he takes the skull and basically polishes it,
Speaker 4: and you know, he goes, oh, this is going to
Speaker 4: look nice back at home, so we get we get
Speaker 4: the eventual thing like this, he's collecting trophies. He's a
Speaker 4: hunter collecting trophies, and the body is useless to him.
Speaker 4: So I think just going forward in the movies, they
Speaker 4: were like, let's just get to the fucking skull and
Speaker 4: the fucking pulling off the spine, because who cares about
Speaker 4: this other shit, you know, like it served its purpose
Speaker 4: here in the first movie. But I think if they
Speaker 4: were to remake it, they would just leave that out
Speaker 4: now as well. Yeah, I agree, but they were skinned alive.
Speaker 4: Were they skinned alive? It seems like he's doing the
Speaker 4: skinning after they're dead.
Speaker 3: By the way, yeah, because he I don't the character's
Speaker 3: name escapes me. But they find Shane Black's body or
Speaker 3: he I think the line is like, I think it's
Speaker 3: him because he's been dragged away, but they just find
Speaker 3: a pile of viscera, like basically like his organs, So
Speaker 3: I don't know that means that he was skinned and
Speaker 3: all the awful was just dropped on the jungle floor.
Speaker 3: It's on that part is maybe a little unclear. I
Speaker 3: will say this, you were talking about Blaine's minigun. His
Speaker 3: mini gun factors into one of my favorite scenes in
Speaker 3: this movie, and a scene that actually elicited laughter when
Speaker 3: I saw it in the movies. I do you know
Speaker 3: those scene I'm talking about?
Speaker 4: Is it the lawnmower sequence where a a swath in
Speaker 4: the fucking jungleester sheer firepower. It's an incredible sequence, honestly, it's.
Speaker 3: Amazing, But what elicited laughter is So what happens is
Speaker 3: Blaine is killed by the predator. He's shot and his
Speaker 3: insides are just completely blown out. And Bill Duke's character
Speaker 3: Mac sees this. He goes ape shit. He starts shooting
Speaker 3: at the predator. He actually hits him. He's shooting wildly,
Speaker 3: and then everybody else starts shooting wildly, and then he
Speaker 3: picks up Blaine's mini gun and just starts wiping out
Speaker 3: the jungle in front of him. Now, the scene goes
Speaker 3: on for a good solid minute. It's basically wordless. They're
Speaker 3: firing on this jungle until at the end of it
Speaker 3: there's nothing left. Like you said, it's like a lawnmower.
Speaker 3: They've cut a swath probably a good fifteen yards twenty
Speaker 3: yards ahead of them of nothing. The gun the bullets
Speaker 3: just wiped out everything. It's so over the top and
Speaker 3: silly that everybody was just so amused by it. Like
Speaker 3: the fact that they just sat there and they must
Speaker 3: have shot five thousand or more rounds. Maybe just the
Speaker 3: mini gun itself shot that many. It's incredible, you know.
Speaker 4: It's funny, like a film like the Last Accident was
Speaker 4: completely unnecessary, because these movies always had a sense of
Speaker 4: humor about them, particularly when it come when it came
Speaker 4: to excess. Because we've got this here and RoboCop we
Speaker 4: had they had to cut it down, but like Ed
Speaker 4: two oh nine blasting that fucking executive into paste, like
Speaker 4: these weren't subtle things, like everyone was in on the
Speaker 4: violins joke. I think at this point, Yeah, that Robocop's.
Speaker 3: The best example of that that. I think you were
Speaker 3: talking about people missing the joke or missing the humor.
Speaker 3: It's that a lot of people missed the satire and
Speaker 3: the point behind RoboCop. It's like when another Verho film,
Speaker 3: It's like when Starship Troopers came out, everybody was aghas
Speaker 3: They all thought it was just terrible movie. It's you're
Speaker 3: just they didn't get the subtext. They it completely flew
Speaker 3: over their heads and it was you know, for some critics,
Speaker 3: it took them ten years or more to come around
Speaker 3: and go, you know what. I think Verhoven had a
Speaker 3: lot more on his mind than just an empty headed
Speaker 3: action picture for the summer.
Speaker 4: You know, so I think he was I think he
Speaker 4: was making some points here. I think he was making
Speaker 4: fun of some stuff in a mixed all of this
Speaker 4: all like you know, bravado and you know that movie
Speaker 4: is genuinely scary. Can I say that Starship Troopers. When
Speaker 4: I first saw that movie, it fucking weirded me out. Man,
Speaker 4: the bugs, I was terrified.
Speaker 3: I was terrified when they suck your brains out, when they.
Speaker 4: Just not even them, just the fucking, the fucking the
Speaker 4: soldier ones. Just being on the ground with one of
Speaker 4: those was horrified.
Speaker 3: Or just seeing them all swarm on the horizon, hundreds
Speaker 3: of these things coming at you. I agree that, well,
Speaker 3: maybe we should talk about that too at some point.
Speaker 3: That movie is that movie has its cake and eats it.
Speaker 3: Two that's a great action picture, but that has a
Speaker 3: lot more going on than just action, and that's really
Speaker 3: the genius of it. I hate to use that word,
Speaker 3: but it's appropriate.
Speaker 4: I will say this, though. Everyone is firing all at once,
Speaker 4: and nobody would do that because you would all run
Speaker 4: out of AMMO immediately. Also, if you have air support,
Speaker 4: use air support. What the fuck?
Speaker 3: Other than that, you've said that for decades too.
Speaker 4: I'm going to like go into my grade. They fucking
Speaker 4: had air support and they didn't use it, and they
Speaker 4: all fired at once. They weren't in squads. It wasn't
Speaker 4: like it was like frontline firing and the back line
Speaker 4: is reloaded. It was just tactically. I didn't know what
Speaker 4: the fuck was happening. Look, I wasn't in the military
Speaker 4: or anything, but like just basically watching the movie in
Speaker 4: the theater, I'm like, you're all about to die. Like
Speaker 4: I understand this is supposed to be like a panicky sequence.
Speaker 4: But anyway, what were we talking about it? Let's get
Speaker 4: back to Well, here's the thing.
Speaker 3: If we're going to talk about tactics, can I bring
Speaker 3: up one thing that it occurred to me as I'm
Speaker 3: watching Predator this time, do so so they Dutch makes
Speaker 3: the makes the logical conclusion that they don't.
Speaker 2: They don't.
Speaker 3: The predator won't go after you if you don't have
Speaker 3: a weapon, right, And this is something that's carried over
Speaker 3: through the sequels that the Predator has a code of
Speaker 3: ethics that includes not killing somebody who's not armed.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 3: My question is, in this case, once he makes that realization,
Speaker 3: why didn't these guys just ditch their weapons and run
Speaker 3: like hell to the chopper.
Speaker 4: Oh, that's logical, But because he says it to Anna,
Speaker 4: he says, put the weapon down.
Speaker 3: It won't hurt you if you don't have a weapon.
Speaker 4: Well, maybe he was thinking it won't hurt her if
Speaker 4: she doesn't have a weapon. But me, it's definitely coming
Speaker 4: for because I'm clearly a perfect specimen of Hunter killer person,
Speaker 4: I guess.
Speaker 3: And we don't really necessarily want to get into plot
Speaker 3: holes and everything that that just I did for a
Speaker 3: movie that's so you know, well constructed and well well create,
Speaker 3: well made. That seemed to be an oversight.
Speaker 4: Well during the final fight, like Schwarzenegger doesn't have any
Speaker 4: special weapons or anything, and the Predator is still like,
Speaker 4: let's go baby, Yeah, but he's got.
Speaker 3: Bow and arrow, and he the predator. He can the
Speaker 3: predator can see that he's been firing on him, and
Speaker 3: he's been throwing these explosives at him. He knows that
Speaker 3: he's a threat. Maybe that's the answer. Maybe he already
Speaker 3: in his mind knows that these guys are threats. Weaponry
Speaker 3: or not, they've already been tagged.
Speaker 4: Yeah, maybe if you've already engaged it in battle, it's
Speaker 4: like from now on, I don't care if you have
Speaker 4: a weapon or not. I'm coming for you, baby. I'll
Speaker 4: go with that. Hopefully they'll answer that in the looks good?
Speaker 3: Did you watch the trailer yet to keep it surprised?
Speaker 5: Yet?
Speaker 4: God damn right, I'm gonna kind. Even seeing just the
Speaker 4: opening that it's an android was just like, ah, don't
Speaker 4: do that. Like I feel like I'm in safe hands
Speaker 4: with this guy. So I hope I don't have to
Speaker 4: see anymore. Rightwhile meanwhile, back in the jungles of Mexico, Yes,
Speaker 4: South America.
Speaker 3: I think it was filmed in Mexico, though of.
Speaker 4: Course it was. They'll watch out for that snake. Two steps,
Speaker 4: two steps and you're dead. Oh the machismo. Can you
Speaker 4: imagine having to be on the set of this movie
Speaker 4: and be a woman.
Speaker 3: It would have been insufferable, like they I could not.
Speaker 3: I'm sure because this was decades before me too.
Speaker 4: Yeah, this was even crime fucking nightmare behavior. And this
Speaker 4: is all alpha male fucking everyone's vying for time in
Speaker 4: the gym. They're all envious. I'm sure of Schwarzenegger's mobile Jim,
Speaker 4: that he is down there like you feel maybe you
Speaker 4: feel honored if Arnold says, hey, do you want to
Speaker 4: come work out in my mobile gym? You don't have
Speaker 4: to work and wait your turn for the waits over
Speaker 4: there at the hotel gym.
Speaker 3: People say that everybody except for Arnold and the director
Speaker 3: suffered from horrible diarrhea from the water down. And I
Speaker 3: think Arnold actually lost something like twenty five pounds because
Speaker 3: and you can see it, you can see that he's
Speaker 3: not as big and ripped as he normally is. That
Speaker 3: that works in terms of works for the character.
Speaker 4: Yeah, because you thought, like, here's a fucking mercenary. This
Speaker 4: isn't the fucking commando guy who was a comic book character.
Speaker 4: Here's a real dude. Schwarzenegger could ever be honestly.
Speaker 3: Sure, But in practice, the practical reason for that is
Speaker 3: he avoided eating because he was afraid he was going
Speaker 3: to get sick in Mexico. But it worked for the Mexico.
Speaker 4: Is there nothing you can't do? I don't have a
Speaker 4: follow up to that. You got a topic, go so
Speaker 4: let so.
Speaker 3: We've talked about the direction, We've talked about the act.
Speaker 3: Let's talk a little bit about.
Speaker 4: The let's talk about the costume, shall we Let's talk
Speaker 4: about where they were going. Absolutely, the initial plan here
Speaker 4: was to have look this the script as is what
Speaker 4: got made. There was no real radical reworking of this
Speaker 4: script because of what we're about to talk about. But
Speaker 4: initially the idea of the Predator was much more insectile
Speaker 4: in its appearances, and it wasn't going to appear as Munch,
Speaker 4: and the idea was that it was going to be
Speaker 4: tiny and wiry. To that end, the initial actor hired
Speaker 4: to portray the Predator here in the Mexican jungle was
Speaker 4: Jean Claude van dam So what they've had and he
Speaker 4: took the role thinking he was going to be like
Speaker 4: the Terminator. He's like, Oh, it's a movie called Predator,
Speaker 4: and I'm going to be the Predator. This is going
Speaker 4: to be great, not realizing that he was basically just
Speaker 4: going to be wearing a stand in orange foam suit
Speaker 4: and running around doing all of the not motion capture,
Speaker 4: this is an a motion capture situation, but basically doing
Speaker 4: it all the stand in stuff for where they were
Speaker 4: going to layer in the Predator invisibility sequences that computer
Speaker 4: generated early computer effect. And he was not happy, and
Speaker 4: I don't think anyone was happy with the footage they
Speaker 4: were getting back because look, I maintained that the suit
Speaker 4: you will see if you look on any YouTube video
Speaker 4: of or behind the scenes of Predator. I maintained that
Speaker 4: suit you're seeing you were never going to see anyway.
Speaker 4: It's just there a reference. Nevertheless, that design for the
Speaker 4: alien for the Predator was really dumb, and I'm glad
Speaker 4: they changed it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he couldn't do any of the thing. He couldn't.
Speaker 3: It wasn't flexible enough and light enough for him to
Speaker 3: do anything that he was known for, like the karate stuff,
Speaker 3: spin kicks, whatever. I think the original idea I thought
Speaker 3: was he was going to be more agile, but because
Speaker 3: the suit didn't allow for that, and frankly, I think
Speaker 3: the suit was so hot that he was passing out.
Speaker 3: He finally said, well, this isn't for me, and then
Speaker 3: enter Kevin Peter Hall, perfect man.
Speaker 4: For the Oh my god, he's so huge. He's Harry
Speaker 4: from Harry and the Henderson's everybody. He's the fucking Bigfoot.
Speaker 4: He is one of the misfits of science and he's.
Speaker 3: The helicopter pilot at the very end.
Speaker 4: Oh yes, he's also on the basketball team and better
Speaker 4: off dead, and he reaches in when the basketball team
Speaker 4: is gonna they're gonna menace Lane Lane Meyer like he's
Speaker 4: it's his hand that blocks the camera out.
Speaker 3: He's so good and the but the costume, let's talk
Speaker 3: about the So he's great. He does everything he needs
Speaker 3: to do as the predator. He's quiet, he's stealthy, but
Speaker 3: he's big and you you feel like this the size
Speaker 3: of him. He could go toe to toe with somebody
Speaker 3: like Arnold and make it a fight, but it would
Speaker 3: I don't think it would work as well without stan
Speaker 3: Winston's creature design, his revised creature design, because I think, well,
Speaker 3: he didn't design it originally. They went to him after
Speaker 3: the fact and said, we need a creature design. What
Speaker 3: can he make for us? And this was what he
Speaker 3: cobbled together.
Speaker 4: But it's funny because it to think like you don't
Speaker 4: initially go to Stan Winston, that's crazy.
Speaker 3: He's your second choice, right but you The word iconic
Speaker 3: is often overused. I overuse it plenty myself. But when you,
Speaker 3: if I say to you, predator, you out there listening
Speaker 3: to this podcast, you already have the image in your
Speaker 3: mind of if not that the creature with the mandibles
Speaker 3: and the spotty skin and the netting for clothes and
Speaker 3: the dreadlocks, or maybe the helmet thing with the laser,
Speaker 3: the three lights. Everybody sees that in their mind's eye
Speaker 3: right now because it's so it's as indelible as like
Speaker 3: et in my mind, he's classic. They don't get the
Speaker 3: animation of the mandibles. When he finally takes the helmet
Speaker 3: off and he's like raw, he's roaring at Arnold. It
Speaker 3: is damn near perfect. I believe that was a It
Speaker 3: was an alien creature coming to kick Arnold's ass.
Speaker 4: Not only the face and the head and the helmet,
Speaker 4: but the body as well. Like obviously Kevin Peter Hall
Speaker 4: is the template from which they were a layering the
Speaker 4: costume on top of but the choices for the costume
Speaker 4: are just as important as anything else. The fact that
Speaker 4: he's got this weird mesh part of a costume, that
Speaker 4: he's wearing a necklace with little skulls, that you know,
Speaker 4: all of the little bits of technology look like this
Speaker 4: way and not that way. Like the entirety of the character,
Speaker 4: as you said, is indelible. It's as iconic as any
Speaker 4: other science fiction character I can think of, certainly as
Speaker 4: a science fiction villain. It rivals the Aliens in its
Speaker 4: design and its originality, and of course the irony being
Speaker 4: that while stan Winston did not create the alien, he
Speaker 4: did create the alien Queen, which is just as iconic
Speaker 4: as the fucking xenomorph itself.
Speaker 3: It's amazing. It's a real achievement in makeup and animatronics.
Speaker 4: Not to mention the fucking T eight hundred, the endoskeleton,
Speaker 4: or like all the physical effects in that first Terminator movie,
Speaker 4: like even the physical effects with a T one thousand,
Speaker 4: whenever it's physically on set, like all squirrely and weird looking.
Speaker 4: That's a physical thing he did.
Speaker 3: He did.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna okay, look he also did. He did one
Speaker 4: effect in John Carpenter's The Thing, and everyone is freaked
Speaker 4: out by it. It's the dog. It's the close up
Speaker 4: of the dog heads like reaching up and starting to
Speaker 4: snarl into the camera, and that snaky kind of a
Speaker 4: way that they're animating it. That's his contribution to that. Obviously,
Speaker 4: he did Jurassic Park. We all know stan Winston, we
Speaker 4: all love stan Winston, but fuck man, the Predator here.
Speaker 4: If this didn't work, this movie would have collapsed. And
Speaker 4: it works so well that this is what actually launches
Speaker 4: the franchise.
Speaker 3: People who aren't nerds for this stuff, like you and me,
Speaker 3: Father Malone, if you say the word predator, odds are
Speaker 3: they're going to know exactly who you're talking about and
Speaker 3: what they look like. They're going to have in their
Speaker 3: mind the vision of the Predator. This is a we're
Speaker 3: talking This isn't nineteen eighty seven, what is it? Almost
Speaker 3: forty years old. Now, this is a piece of you know,
Speaker 3: of the action firmament, Now the Alien or not. It's
Speaker 3: like you said, it's as big as the Alien. In
Speaker 3: my mind, the Alien is still going to it's still
Speaker 3: feet of creativity that is rarely matched, but it comes
Speaker 3: damn close with the Predator.
Speaker 4: I think unbelievable. Yeah, I love him. I love that.
Speaker 4: You know what I love about the character. I love
Speaker 4: that it's really here. You see it more than any
Speaker 4: of the other movies. I love him mimicking people. I
Speaker 4: love him making fun of people using their own words
Speaker 4: against them in some way that's really funny to me.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you're right, it is done more here than you
Speaker 3: see in the other movies where he hears like at
Speaker 3: one point, Billy is laughing at one of Hawkins bad
Speaker 3: pussy joke, and the Predator hears it, and it's almost
Speaker 3: like he internalizes it, like he plays it back to
Speaker 3: himself until he can mimic it, and he's mimicking Mac
Speaker 3: saying over here, and you get the sense that he
Speaker 3: can use that to fool his prey into falling into
Speaker 3: traps and things. It's really I wish they did more
Speaker 3: of that where I agree.
Speaker 4: Because how creepy would it have been where they're like
Speaker 4: looking for Mac and they hear him go hey over here,
Speaker 4: and like somebody goes, oh, I think he's over here.
Speaker 4: A yeah, it's he's just and he does use it
Speaker 4: ironically at the end, as he's arming the fucking self destructing,
Speaker 4: he starts cackling using Billy Bear's laugh at Dutch it's crazy.
Speaker 3: And by the way, that was actually a nice touch.
Speaker 3: So at the end not a spoiler alert, spoilers predator money.
Speaker 3: So using his will and determination, Dutch finally kills it.
Speaker 3: Didn't kill the trimatory. He beats him to the point
Speaker 3: where he's going to die, and rather than either let
Speaker 3: himself fall into somebody else's hands or you know, he
Speaker 3: the predator sets his self destruct mechanism on his wrist
Speaker 3: computer thing, and because it's an alien, they can't have
Speaker 3: it count down from nine to one or something, but
Speaker 3: they have this this iconography that you can't read the numbers,
Speaker 3: but you can tell that it's counting down. I thought
Speaker 3: it was really clever because it looked real and it
Speaker 3: looks lived in and it looks like an authentic piece
Speaker 3: of machinery on this guy's wrist. And that's when, like
Speaker 3: you said, he uses that mimic laugh, the mimic laugh
Speaker 3: of mac to say to Dutch, like, well, you might
Speaker 3: have beaten me, but guess what, you know you're not
Speaker 3: gonna make it, and he sets off this little mini nuke.
Speaker 3: It's a great ending.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Like, I can't say enough about this character. It's
Speaker 4: a silent character that uses effectively recorded bits of our
Speaker 4: hero's dialogue against them throughout the movie. And then, as
Speaker 4: you just said, like even something as simple as the
Speaker 4: countdown timer on this risk bomb, you know, as soon
Speaker 4: as it starts counting down what's happening. He doesn't have
Speaker 4: to say, he doesn't need to laugh, but the laugh
Speaker 4: really says that, like you are about to die. It's economical,
Speaker 4: it's fun, it's scary, it's interesting, it's I don't know,
Speaker 4: this movie has everything it does.
Speaker 3: And for a movie that, like I said, is coming
Speaker 3: up on forty years old, I honestly this movie isn't
Speaker 3: all that dated. There. Maybe there's some of the interactions
Speaker 3: that might be a little bit dated, but as far
Speaker 3: as the actual nuts and bolts of the movie and
Speaker 3: the filmmaking on display, I would stack this up against
Speaker 3: almost anything that's considered a blockbuster nowadays. It's so it's
Speaker 3: a lean, mean action machine. It doesn't waste any time.
Speaker 3: It's suspenseful. That's the thing. Like once they catch wind
Speaker 3: of this creature that's stalking them, not only has it
Speaker 3: become a horror movie, but it's so suspenseful because behind
Speaker 3: every crackle of a twig or something. That thing is
Speaker 3: out there somewhere, and sometimes the character will be looking
Speaker 3: out at the expanse of jungle and you, the viewer,
Speaker 3: can see the outline of that camouflage predator standing sitting
Speaker 3: there watching them, and no attention is called to it.
Speaker 3: It's just the camera panning across this, all this, all
Speaker 3: these trees. But it's so it's ratchets up that feeling
Speaker 3: that something's gonna happen. I love it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, I'm glad we watched it. I'm glad
Speaker 4: we're delving into these movies again because it was easy
Speaker 4: for me to answer the question name a perfect action
Speaker 4: movie before I rewatched this and say something like Diehard
Speaker 4: or Cone of the Barbarian. I think it's a perfect
Speaker 4: action movie. Apocalypse Now. Technically, anyway, this wouldn't have I
Speaker 4: don't know that. Not only would this not have been
Speaker 4: on the top of my list, I don't know that
Speaker 4: this would I would have put this movie on the list.
Speaker 4: It wouldn't have occurred to me. How perfect an action
Speaker 4: movie this? Actually? It never feels insulting or like we're
Speaker 4: skimping on anything. I like all of these characters it's
Speaker 4: all archetypes, but it's so well written, and part of
Speaker 4: that has to be obviously Shane Black. Like you said,
Speaker 4: there's a reason I said this over on the Weekly
Speaker 4: round Up when I was revealing the Preditor. But not
Speaker 4: only did John McTiernan, like you know, luck out and
Speaker 4: having such a fucking phenomenally talented screenwriter on set to
Speaker 4: handle anything to smooth over any problems that might come up,
Speaker 4: but he was also there at the behest of producer
Speaker 4: Joel Silver, who was unsure about John mctiernan's performance as
Speaker 4: a neophyte filmmaker basically, and he's there to basically spy
Speaker 4: on it, which makes me feel queasy about it in
Speaker 4: a weird way. But at the same time, I love
Speaker 4: Shane Black so much that you know, I can't feel bad.
Speaker 4: I can't be mad at him about it, you know.
Speaker 4: And ultimately it didn't matter because McTiernan had the goods.
Speaker 3: It's I agree this. They don't get much more economical
Speaker 3: and perfect. This is the if an alien came down
Speaker 3: to Earth and asked for the perfect action. This would
Speaker 3: be a candidate.
Speaker 4: If an alien came down and hunted me to the
Speaker 4: ends of the Earth, because it's somehow figured I was
Speaker 4: somehow worthy of fighting. I would say, hey, man, let
Speaker 4: me show you instead the perfect faction movie, and he said, Wow,
Speaker 4: they did it much better than us. I'd say, yeah,
Speaker 4: what are we fumbling around here for? What's just watch Predator?
Speaker 3: So I'm it looks to me like mctiern is basically
Speaker 3: done as a director. He never recovered from the Pelicano trial.
Speaker 5: Is that like?
Speaker 3: Is that a story of wasted potential Hollywood wasted potential?
Speaker 3: Do you think he could have been one of the
Speaker 3: all time grades? Not that he isn't from what he's
Speaker 3: already done, but do you think he could have been
Speaker 3: like the.
Speaker 4: Action movie guy. I think he would have been given
Speaker 4: a decent shot after the failure of Rollerball had the
Speaker 4: court case and imprisonment not occur. So we'll never know.
Speaker 4: I don't know that he had anything left in the tank.
Speaker 4: I think he's more John Carpenter than he is Martin Scorsesey.
Speaker 4: How about that, Like there's a definite period of creativity
Speaker 4: that no matter what you're throwing at them, they can
Speaker 4: adapt and continue on. I don't know that mc tiernan
Speaker 4: had any new moves past. I haven't seen Thomas crowniffair.
Speaker 4: I'd like to see it. I will see it, obviously,
Speaker 4: And we're gonna be talking about Predator for a while
Speaker 4: because this is Predator Fest.
Speaker 3: Maybe absolutely, looking I saw Predator two and well, we'll
Speaker 3: talk about it. I won't to spoil anything, but this
Speaker 3: is a hell of a way to kick it off.
Speaker 3: This is arguably the best of the Predator movie.
Speaker 4: And I can say this is a film series. I
Speaker 4: have seen every single one in the theater. If it's
Speaker 4: been in the theater, I have seen it there. Really
Speaker 4: that is correct. So the first as it turns out,
Speaker 4: I fucking love the Predator. I had no idea, but
Speaker 4: some of them.
Speaker 3: Look, you did a great weekly round up shameless plug alert.
Speaker 3: Check it out you listening if you haven't already. And
Speaker 3: Father alone goes through the whole history of the Predator movies.
Speaker 3: He's leading up to Predator Killer of Killer effectively. But
Speaker 3: there are some in the series that you don't really
Speaker 3: have that much of a fondness for, but yet you
Speaker 3: still continue to have faith that you know these pictures
Speaker 3: will be you know that the next one will be good.
Speaker 3: And that faith was rewarded with Prey, was it not yeah.
Speaker 4: Because there are a couples. There are a couple of
Speaker 4: movies in this series that I detest that I will
Speaker 4: not We're gonna watch it again because we're gonna be
Speaker 4: talking about it, and I will try to be fair
Speaker 4: and you know, in a reappraisal of it, because everything
Speaker 4: deserves a second chance. But I will say, I, if
Speaker 4: you're gonna put a fucking Predator in a movie, I'm
Speaker 4: gonna come see that movie. I'm gonna give it a chance.
Speaker 3: Did you delve into the comic books too? Not? On?
Speaker 4: Not in the end, did I personally? Yeah, I have
Speaker 4: read some of the Predator comics. Geez, but it's been
Speaker 4: some time. I remember seeing. The thing is, when I
Speaker 4: started reading Predator comics, it was dark Horse. I've only
Speaker 4: really just now realized dark Horse was just a spin
Speaker 4: off of movies that we like this kids like most
Speaker 4: of their titles just seemed like aliens or you know whatever.
Speaker 4: So so I remember reading their Predator comics, and it
Speaker 4: was so early on that I remember thinking the stuff
Speaker 4: that they're making up isn't necessarily going to be anything,
Speaker 4: you know what I mean? Like it felt like like
Speaker 4: I saw we had already seen this in like Star
Speaker 4: Wars and any other sort of film franchise. Anytime this
Speaker 4: peripheral content, if they start making canon what seems like canon,
Speaker 4: that it's not that the movie can come and just
Speaker 4: wipe that away. And that's how I felt with the
Speaker 4: comic books. For some reason, maybe I was the perfect
Speaker 4: age for it, but I was at least felt like
Speaker 4: the Predator comics were more of a cash grab tie
Speaker 4: in than an honest effort to further those stories. Am
Speaker 4: I a Predator purist?
Speaker 3: Maybe I was thinking more like I remember all of
Speaker 3: those like they were like I think dark Horse did,
Speaker 3: like the Terminator and the Alien series. But I was
Speaker 3: thinking I'm more fascinated lately. And you mentioned this in
Speaker 3: your weekly roundup of like they did Archie versus Predator.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, those are great, Yeah, no question about it.
Speaker 4: In fact, the Archie I mentioned it to the same
Speaker 4: I'm gonna mention it again. If you can read Archie
Speaker 4: Versus Predator or Predator versus Archie, really it's fucking awesome.
Speaker 3: Like I want to seek that out, but I know
Speaker 3: they all they've done. Maybe it wasn't dark Horse, but
Speaker 3: I've seen Batman Versus Predator. Judge dread versus Predator. It's
Speaker 3: I think there was even like a Marvel like a
Speaker 3: spider Man versus Predator. So it's this easy shorthand like
Speaker 3: everybody knows the Predator, and everybody knows these solid comic
Speaker 3: properties like a like like Archie or like Batman. So
Speaker 3: I guess it's almost like this interesting what if that
Speaker 3: they keep coming back to, like what if Batman actually
Speaker 3: went up against.
Speaker 4: Well, you can plug him in and everyone knows exactly
Speaker 4: what you're gonna get. Like, he's really indelible, I say,
Speaker 4: he like they're all the kind of the same, because
Speaker 4: they are all the same. The irony being HP and
Speaker 4: we're going to get into this the further we get
Speaker 4: into the movies, because he's only I mean, he's the
Speaker 4: main antagonist of this film, but he's not in it
Speaker 4: a whole lot. Like we're gonna get a whole lot
Speaker 4: more Predator and more of them as the films progress,
Speaker 4: so we'll get more into their sort of personal mythology
Speaker 4: and stuff. But the irony for me is that I
Speaker 4: fucking hate hunters. I have no use for hunting for sport.
Speaker 4: I just think it's detestable. And but for some reason,
Speaker 4: when these guys are doing it. Maybe it's because they're
Speaker 4: hunting us and we deserve it.
Speaker 3: Well, they there's no subterfuge within it with a predator, right,
Speaker 3: It's not like they can make the argument that they're
Speaker 3: hunting to survive, or they're hunting for this reason, or
Speaker 3: that they're the only reason they exist in this In
Speaker 3: these movies, in this series is to hunt people, not
Speaker 3: just people, because I know that there's indications they've hunted
Speaker 3: like I think in Predator too, will talk about there's
Speaker 3: an alien skull as an easter egg in an alien
Speaker 3: ship or in the predatorship, but that there's some refreshing
Speaker 3: about that, that there's no there's no confusion about the
Speaker 3: Predator's motives. It is just there to hunt for sport.
Speaker 3: End of story. How are they going to get out
Speaker 3: of it? How are the protagonists going to deal with
Speaker 3: this implacable force coming at them?
Speaker 4: You know, you say you're doing an alien movie. You
Speaker 4: don't know what those aliens want. They might want to
Speaker 4: eat you, they might want to impregnate you with future spawn,
Speaker 4: They might have some other fucking purpose for you, not
Speaker 4: with the Predator. You know where you stand. Predator shows up, Well,
Speaker 4: it's going to fucking hunt you and kill you the end.
Speaker 4: That's it. Got to love it. It's like it's like
Speaker 4: a shark, right, It's a perfect machine, all right. It
Speaker 4: basically just eats and swims and makes a little sharks
Speaker 4: and that's all it does anyway. All right, HP Until
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Speaker 6: Why because nobody else could have pulled it off? You
Speaker 6: pissed about the cover story. I knew I couldn't get
Speaker 6: you in here without it? So what story did you
Speaker 6: hint to Hopper? Look, we've been looking for this place
Speaker 6: for months. My men were in that chopper when I
Speaker 6: got hit. Hopper's orders would have go in and get
Speaker 6: my men, and he disappeared. He didn't disappear. He was
Speaker 6: stine alive, and my orders would have got somebody, and
Speaker 6: who could crack these bastards?
Speaker 2: So he cooked up a story and dropped the six
Speaker 2: of us in a meat grinder?
Speaker 4: What happened to you?
Speaker 2: Doner here used to be somebody that could trust.
Speaker 1: I woke up.
Speaker 2: Why don't you the asset unexpendable asset?
Speaker 1: And I used you to get the job done?
Speaker 5: Got it?
Speaker 1: It's my man a not expand the books
Speaker 5: Sets