WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.720 --> 00:00:03.520 I want to welcome everyone back to the Pecana Show. 2 00:00:04.080 --> 00:00:07.960 I am here with Ernst and Rob. How are you, gentlemen, Joan, 3 00:00:09.080 --> 00:00:11.320 I'm good, Thanks new doing good? 4 00:00:11.480 --> 00:00:11.679 Rob? 5 00:00:13.000 --> 00:00:14.800 Oh, pretty grand, pretty grand. 6 00:00:16.120 --> 00:00:19.120 I'm going to give each of you, gentlemen individually a 7 00:00:19.239 --> 00:00:22.600 chance to just give a quick introduction to your tell 8 00:00:22.600 --> 00:00:24.839 a little bit about yourself. Ernest, why don't you go first? 9 00:00:26.120 --> 00:00:30.120 Well, Well, the short version of it is, I work 10 00:00:30.239 --> 00:00:33.600 for AFRI Forum, the largest of all rights organization in 11 00:00:33.640 --> 00:00:36.719 the Southern Hemisphere. I'm a campaign's office for strategy and 12 00:00:36.719 --> 00:00:41.920 content there. But that's my occupation and my job. But 13 00:00:41.960 --> 00:00:44.920 then also part of my hobby that's also connected to 14 00:00:44.960 --> 00:00:49.039 my job is my YouTube channel and my Twitter account 15 00:00:49.119 --> 00:00:54.079 where I comment on all things from regarding culture politics 16 00:00:55.159 --> 00:00:58.280 here at the southern tip of Africa specifically. Well, I 17 00:00:58.320 --> 00:01:02.079 started off when I created my channel by commenting a 18 00:01:02.119 --> 00:01:05.599 lot more on things of broad politics in America and Europe. 19 00:01:05.599 --> 00:01:08.120 But then I just started focusing a lot more on 20 00:01:08.200 --> 00:01:11.680 South Africa and Africa, seeing as there are millions of 21 00:01:11.719 --> 00:01:15.480 people much better and stronger and smarter than me, stronger 22 00:01:15.519 --> 00:01:18.239 in their thoughts when it comes to an analysis on 23 00:01:18.879 --> 00:01:21.599 America and Europe and whatever they can focus on that. 24 00:01:21.680 --> 00:01:23.959 I'm going to focus on Africa and South Africa that 25 00:01:24.079 --> 00:01:26.200 I know, the part of the world that I experienced, 26 00:01:26.200 --> 00:01:28.799 the part of the world that I can do a 27 00:01:28.879 --> 00:01:32.280 BS test firsthand if something is true or not, just 28 00:01:32.319 --> 00:01:36.319 maybe a final thought there when it comes to that 29 00:01:36.519 --> 00:01:39.840 idea of being on the ground. It's the strangest thing 30 00:01:39.959 --> 00:01:45.200 when you hear other pundits or other commentators discuss the 31 00:01:45.239 --> 00:01:48.159 country that you live in but people abroad, and you 32 00:01:48.359 --> 00:01:51.799 just realize they're just talking the most absolute, just nonsense, 33 00:01:51.879 --> 00:01:56.760 like whatever they're saying is just absolutely, verifiably not true, 34 00:01:56.840 --> 00:01:59.319 and their audience is just eating it up. And You're 35 00:01:59.359 --> 00:02:02.079 sitting there in the audience thinking like, this guy is 36 00:02:02.120 --> 00:02:04.680 talking about what I know personally, and they're just talking 37 00:02:04.760 --> 00:02:08.919 the biggest amount of just absolute nonsense and rubbish. But 38 00:02:10.199 --> 00:02:12.639 and that's what I try to avoid. That's why I 39 00:02:12.719 --> 00:02:17.879 made a conscious decision to do less analysis on US 40 00:02:17.879 --> 00:02:20.240 and European politics and to stick to what I know, 41 00:02:20.360 --> 00:02:23.680 because I see those commentators in America and in Europe 42 00:02:23.719 --> 00:02:27.400 talk about South Africa and they just completely missing the target. 43 00:02:27.919 --> 00:02:30.319 And then I think to myself, what if that is 44 00:02:30.400 --> 00:02:33.960 me when I'm talking about America about a European politics. 45 00:02:33.960 --> 00:02:36.599 What if that's exactly what I'm doing. Americans are sitting 46 00:02:36.599 --> 00:02:39.039 there listening to the South African talk about their country 47 00:02:39.080 --> 00:02:41.400 and they're just like, this guy doesn't. 48 00:02:41.120 --> 00:02:41.639 Get it at all. 49 00:02:41.680 --> 00:02:45.280 He's just completely drank the kool aid and the propaganda 50 00:02:45.319 --> 00:02:49.240 out there. So that's why that's the purpose of my 51 00:02:49.759 --> 00:02:52.879 commentary is to talk about what I know best and 52 00:02:52.879 --> 00:02:53.840 what I know personally. 53 00:02:54.840 --> 00:02:59.479 That makes a lot of sense, Rob. Yeah, Well, I've 54 00:02:59.520 --> 00:03:02.280 also done some work for the same organization after form. 55 00:03:02.319 --> 00:03:07.680 Although I'm I'm a freelance consultant, I'm working for a 56 00:03:07.719 --> 00:03:09.479 couple of other I'm working for a couple of other 57 00:03:09.520 --> 00:03:11.800 people at the moment, but I can't really talk about 58 00:03:11.800 --> 00:03:16.919 them right now. And my but my big thing that 59 00:03:16.960 --> 00:03:18.960 I spend sort of a lot of my free time 60 00:03:19.120 --> 00:03:24.479 doing is is trying to assist the Cape Independence movement 61 00:03:24.680 --> 00:03:29.759 in various ways. And there some big moves coming up 62 00:03:29.759 --> 00:03:34.159 in apergot that should be fun. I mean, of course, 63 00:03:34.159 --> 00:03:36.759 it's it's not something that has a guaranteed shot it 64 00:03:37.439 --> 00:03:40.639 you know, it's not guaranteed success. But the way I 65 00:03:40.680 --> 00:03:43.479 see it is it's necessary because it's the only bit 66 00:03:43.520 --> 00:03:47.680 of the country that really can be saved from, you know, 67 00:03:47.800 --> 00:03:51.039 total collapse. Really, I mean if the Cape guys, all 68 00:03:51.039 --> 00:04:00.400 we've got left is Africana enclaves, critism, and. 69 00:03:57.759 --> 00:04:02.080 It's like, yeah, it's it's it's not the most ideal 70 00:04:02.120 --> 00:04:05.599 situation because then you know, you isolated tiny pockets of 71 00:04:06.599 --> 00:04:09.360 resented minorities and it's an ocean of hostiles. 72 00:04:09.360 --> 00:04:12.319 It's not it's not my idea of a party. 73 00:04:13.680 --> 00:04:18.360 We'll talk more about that. Why don't why don't we 74 00:04:18.399 --> 00:04:21.279 find out how you know, the history? How did your 75 00:04:21.319 --> 00:04:23.480 families get to South Africa? 76 00:04:24.920 --> 00:04:28.360 Mm hmm the peak. 77 00:04:28.360 --> 00:04:30.600 You're gonna have to indicate who you want to start, 78 00:04:30.920 --> 00:04:34.000 all right, Ernest you start because I know that I 79 00:04:34.040 --> 00:04:36.439 know you can be a little more brief than rob. 80 00:04:38.279 --> 00:04:38.480 Let's. 81 00:04:38.720 --> 00:04:41.160 Yeah, let's go for a well on the question of 82 00:04:41.199 --> 00:04:44.160 what where my family comes from and now they ended 83 00:04:44.240 --> 00:04:46.120 up at the southern tip of Africa. There's a lot 84 00:04:46.160 --> 00:04:48.800 to unpack there, but I'll keep it brief because there's 85 00:04:48.839 --> 00:04:52.319 a lot to talk about in the broader picture. So yeah, 86 00:04:52.399 --> 00:04:55.800 I'm the descendant of a mish mash of just West Europeans. 87 00:04:55.800 --> 00:05:04.040 So my ancestors are Germans, Dutch, French, Huguenots, Belgians and Scots, 88 00:05:04.879 --> 00:05:07.839 and that's what we know about, and a lot of 89 00:05:07.879 --> 00:05:13.199 them have very interesting histories. The Dutch the typical people 90 00:05:13.199 --> 00:05:17.600 coming to South Africa for mostly fortune seekers or for 91 00:05:17.680 --> 00:05:22.279 a job or for a new start somewhere. French Huguenots, 92 00:05:22.319 --> 00:05:25.319 of course, are fleeing religious persecutions, so they're not coming 93 00:05:25.319 --> 00:05:28.160 to South Africa to make money or to create a 94 00:05:28.199 --> 00:05:33.240 new life, or to escape just the monotony of their existence. 95 00:05:33.279 --> 00:05:36.639 They're coming to South Africa. They're fleeing for their lives, 96 00:05:36.680 --> 00:05:39.800 so they're coming to South Africa. And that's actually first, 97 00:05:40.000 --> 00:05:44.319 my first ancestor chronologically came here in sixteen eighty eight 98 00:05:44.360 --> 00:05:47.240 and he was a French Huguenot. His name was Paul 99 00:05:47.319 --> 00:05:50.040 Rue and he came here in sixteen eighty eight. But 100 00:05:50.079 --> 00:05:55.720 then also my surname van Zel that that ancestor came 101 00:05:55.759 --> 00:05:59.399 I think a little bit later in sixteen forty sixteen 102 00:05:59.480 --> 00:06:03.879 ninety four and he was Vilim Fansel. And then yeah, 103 00:06:04.000 --> 00:06:08.439 in the meantime since then, also a lot of other influences, 104 00:06:08.720 --> 00:06:12.240 a lot of Germans, a lot of other French Huguenots. 105 00:06:13.399 --> 00:06:16.040 But yeah, that's the story. The story of my family 106 00:06:16.079 --> 00:06:18.839 lineage is the story of the Afrikaners. I think most 107 00:06:18.879 --> 00:06:23.279 of the European ethnicities that form that melded together to 108 00:06:23.360 --> 00:06:26.000 form the Afrikaners are in my lineage and are in 109 00:06:26.079 --> 00:06:30.439 the majority of Afrikaners lineage. And it's and that's the thing. 110 00:06:30.879 --> 00:06:34.560 The big misconception that a lot of people abroad make 111 00:06:34.680 --> 00:06:36.920 is they think, oh, the English speaking whites and South 112 00:06:36.959 --> 00:06:39.600 Africa are the descendants of the Brits, and the Afrikaans 113 00:06:39.600 --> 00:06:41.959 speaking whites are the descendants of the Dutch. That's that's 114 00:06:42.000 --> 00:06:47.000 not true. The Afrikaners are the descendants are mainly the 115 00:06:47.040 --> 00:06:50.720 descendants of the Dutch, French and Germans. Those three groups 116 00:06:50.759 --> 00:06:53.319 we take one of them art it's a major piece 117 00:06:53.360 --> 00:06:56.199 of the puzzle that you're missing. So those three groups 118 00:06:56.199 --> 00:07:01.680 are the main ingredients in making the Africana specifically, and 119 00:07:01.959 --> 00:07:04.240 those are all in my lineage as well. Just a 120 00:07:04.240 --> 00:07:06.439 funny story to end off with. I mentioned this in 121 00:07:06.519 --> 00:07:09.560 my I Am seventeen seventy six piece that I wrote recently, 122 00:07:11.160 --> 00:07:14.560 A Time to do Trenches. My Scottish ancestor was on 123 00:07:14.600 --> 00:07:18.040 his way to New Zealand and then he kicked the 124 00:07:18.079 --> 00:07:20.319 captain's dog on the way there, and he got thrown 125 00:07:20.360 --> 00:07:24.040 off in South Africa and that's h and then he 126 00:07:24.160 --> 00:07:26.079 I mean, this isn't a time where he doesn't he 127 00:07:26.120 --> 00:07:28.519 can't just wait until the next morning when the next 128 00:07:28.519 --> 00:07:31.639 boat arrives, like he's stuck here now, like his fate 129 00:07:31.720 --> 00:07:35.639 is not tied to the African continent for quite a while. 130 00:07:35.680 --> 00:07:41.439 And yeah, if that didn't happen, I wouldn't exist, crazy, right, Oh. 131 00:07:41.439 --> 00:07:43.160 Yeah, I mean some of the stuff. I mean, there's 132 00:07:43.160 --> 00:07:46.759 a funny per since there so Paul Rue. I don't 133 00:07:46.879 --> 00:07:48.319 know what the state of the farm is not. I 134 00:07:48.319 --> 00:07:50.720 haven't been back to visit it since I've moved back 135 00:07:50.759 --> 00:07:54.600 to my hometown. But I used to play and go 136 00:07:54.720 --> 00:07:59.040 to Sunday School with Actually no, he never came to 137 00:07:59.079 --> 00:08:01.800 Sunday School. I suppose with him because my friend as 138 00:08:01.839 --> 00:08:05.920 Farmer's neighboring is. But there's a kid called Paul Rue 139 00:08:06.319 --> 00:08:10.879 who who's a directorcendant of that Paul Roue. So I've 140 00:08:11.800 --> 00:08:15.680 met one any relatives indirectly, but yeah, sort of. My 141 00:08:15.800 --> 00:08:21.160 ancestors are also French Huguenots. My Irish surname comes from 142 00:08:21.199 --> 00:08:26.839 a sort of you know, well, Irish people who went 143 00:08:26.959 --> 00:08:31.160 to went to serve the colonial own administration in India, 144 00:08:31.199 --> 00:08:33.480 and so one of my ancestors is born in Pakistan, 145 00:08:34.080 --> 00:08:38.080 but that one of the family married into Danish and Swedish. 146 00:08:38.120 --> 00:08:41.240 And then and then on my other side a bunch 147 00:08:41.279 --> 00:08:45.919 of you know, Scots and English and Irish people, funnily enough, 148 00:08:46.039 --> 00:08:50.120 no Welsh, but yeah, and then you know, like all 149 00:08:50.120 --> 00:08:53.919 white side Africans, you know, Adamson I will both share 150 00:08:53.919 --> 00:08:57.639 a tiny drop of Cooi sound blood because being around 151 00:08:57.679 --> 00:09:00.720 for that long, you know, the first settlers, for the 152 00:09:00.759 --> 00:09:04.279 first fifty years, there were no European women to speak 153 00:09:04.279 --> 00:09:06.320 over really, and so they made free with. 154 00:09:06.799 --> 00:09:09.200 For a long time, not just for the first year 155 00:09:09.320 --> 00:09:09.480 or so. 156 00:09:11.039 --> 00:09:12.519 Yeah, for the first I think it's not. For the 157 00:09:12.519 --> 00:09:15.440 first fifty there were very few. And then after that 158 00:09:15.519 --> 00:09:17.480 you've got some you got some French women in there, 159 00:09:17.480 --> 00:09:21.399 but yeah, that is a fair amount of times. So 160 00:09:21.399 --> 00:09:24.360 everyone's got like about I think I think the average 161 00:09:24.360 --> 00:09:27.320 is like, you know, four to six percent will be lated, 162 00:09:29.960 --> 00:09:35.279 some more, some less, but generally speaking around there and yeah, 163 00:09:35.399 --> 00:09:38.759 I mean like, but my family a few generations ago, 164 00:09:38.799 --> 00:09:41.559 they were supported smart as the party were, and for 165 00:09:41.679 --> 00:09:45.360 like fusion between English and Africans communities, they raised their 166 00:09:45.440 --> 00:09:48.279 children speaking English so my family is sort of like 167 00:09:48.279 --> 00:09:53.720 a modeled mixture of English and Africans spilingualism, and yeah, 168 00:09:53.919 --> 00:09:55.120 tied to Thevinelands. 169 00:09:56.639 --> 00:09:56.840 Yeah. 170 00:09:56.960 --> 00:09:58.879 No, I think both of us are because of our 171 00:09:58.919 --> 00:10:04.200 deep connections and sort of family's obsession of genealogy. You know, 172 00:10:04.240 --> 00:10:06.279 we've got a very deep rooted sense of our history 173 00:10:06.279 --> 00:10:09.200 in place here, you know, where the skeletons are buried, 174 00:10:10.799 --> 00:10:14.080 and the ability for you know, the rest of society 175 00:10:14.120 --> 00:10:17.519 to shock us with our ancestors, you know, crimes is 176 00:10:17.559 --> 00:10:20.759 somewhat diminished, so. 177 00:10:22.840 --> 00:10:25.200 You can't really be shamed. You you can't really be 178 00:10:25.279 --> 00:10:27.919 shamed for your ancestors conduct if you have a very 179 00:10:27.960 --> 00:10:30.480 deep and intimate knowledge of your ancestors conduct. 180 00:10:32.080 --> 00:10:33.360 That's true, That's true. 181 00:10:34.120 --> 00:10:37.720 I mean it's just avoid your Your opponents can fill 182 00:10:37.759 --> 00:10:39.240 that void with anything they want. 183 00:10:40.039 --> 00:10:43.360 Yeah, it made me makes me think of what could 184 00:10:43.399 --> 00:10:46.960 your enthusiasm. Larry David there was a while ago he 185 00:10:47.000 --> 00:10:50.519 had a he had a thing where he he went 186 00:10:50.559 --> 00:10:51.840 on one of those who do you think you are 187 00:10:52.159 --> 00:10:54.759 genealogy programs and you find out the ancestors or like 188 00:10:54.879 --> 00:10:58.679 you know, like a slave driving certain plantation, and and 189 00:10:59.480 --> 00:11:03.360 I I didn't think much of that at the time, 190 00:11:03.399 --> 00:11:07.039 but I've noticed now apparently he's a huge fan of 191 00:11:07.080 --> 00:11:12.320 the Confederate sort of army, sort of historical societies and stuff. 192 00:11:14.080 --> 00:11:19.080 So I don't know. I think it's kind of impossible 193 00:11:19.080 --> 00:11:21.759 to escape one's ancestry, you know, when you realize you 194 00:11:21.759 --> 00:11:23.440 know where you fit into it, even if you can 195 00:11:23.519 --> 00:11:26.720 distance yourself more really from certain things, it's like, well, 196 00:11:26.960 --> 00:11:27.519 this is part of. 197 00:11:27.440 --> 00:11:27.919 Who you are. 198 00:11:28.679 --> 00:11:31.679 You're not gonna you're not gonna chuck it for you know, 199 00:11:32.399 --> 00:11:32.919 for nothing. 200 00:11:34.000 --> 00:11:37.759 Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. So yeah, and 201 00:11:37.840 --> 00:11:40.799 we get that in the South here too. I've I 202 00:11:40.919 --> 00:11:44.639 was Arns before we started that. In the South here, 203 00:11:44.799 --> 00:11:51.039 they're Southerners are very very aware of their families, and 204 00:11:51.600 --> 00:11:54.840 they are for the most part, not ashamed. Do they 205 00:11:54.960 --> 00:11:57.399 understand that, you know? I mean, I know my own 206 00:11:57.960 --> 00:12:01.720 through my dad. At some point we were slaves, and 207 00:12:01.759 --> 00:12:06.159 at some point we owned slaves. So it's like, all right, well, 208 00:12:06.799 --> 00:12:10.840 best of both worlds. But I guess the reason I'm here, 209 00:12:10.879 --> 00:12:12.840 the reason I asked you guys to be here, is 210 00:12:12.919 --> 00:12:16.879 because South Africa has been in the news a lot 211 00:12:16.919 --> 00:12:21.159 in the last couple of years, and I think that 212 00:12:21.200 --> 00:12:25.000 most Americans, what they know about South Africa is comes 213 00:12:25.039 --> 00:12:29.000 from Hollywood and comes from the newspapers, and these these 214 00:12:29.039 --> 00:12:33.879 are pure, These are the propaganda arms of you know, 215 00:12:34.320 --> 00:12:39.480 global Homo now and I want to hear the story. 216 00:12:39.519 --> 00:12:40.120 I want to know. 217 00:12:41.919 --> 00:12:44.919 Everybody talked about, Oh, apartheid was so terrible, and you know, 218 00:12:44.919 --> 00:12:47.200 we talked a little bit before we started recording about 219 00:12:47.240 --> 00:12:50.559 the history of a little bit about the history and 220 00:12:52.039 --> 00:12:53.960 how did we get to this point? I mean, how 221 00:12:53.960 --> 00:12:56.200 did we get to the point where I was watching 222 00:12:56.320 --> 00:13:01.559 videos last year of white and black act men in 223 00:13:01.720 --> 00:13:06.320 South Africa standing side by side shooting rifles at rioters 224 00:13:06.320 --> 00:13:08.320 and looters and people murdering people. 225 00:13:09.120 --> 00:13:12.559 H this is kind of your question, kind of is 226 00:13:12.919 --> 00:13:15.799 a slam dunk for rob seeing as is Forte is 227 00:13:16.039 --> 00:13:19.799 the different dispense political dispensations of South Africa, which is 228 00:13:19.919 --> 00:13:22.480 literally the answer to the question how did we get here? 229 00:13:23.360 --> 00:13:25.679 So I think I'll give the floor over to him 230 00:13:25.879 --> 00:13:27.720 for for introduction there. 231 00:13:28.679 --> 00:13:34.960 Yeah, I mean it's basically the the country is. It's 232 00:13:34.960 --> 00:13:37.200 not a real country, it's it's it's a it's a 233 00:13:37.240 --> 00:13:42.080 resource extraction zone. And I mean the cape has a 234 00:13:42.120 --> 00:13:45.360 sort of nebulous identity. It's always been like if you 235 00:13:45.399 --> 00:13:49.960 read sort of historical books about the Cape. So everyone 236 00:13:50.000 --> 00:13:52.200 has an idea that like there's something here, but we 237 00:13:52.240 --> 00:13:55.639 can't quite put our finger on it. But definitely South 238 00:13:55.679 --> 00:13:59.200 Africans have nothing in common. There's there's nothing in common 239 00:13:59.200 --> 00:14:02.879 except for the sort of power structure that holds us together. 240 00:14:03.320 --> 00:14:07.159 And there's always been the case, and the country was 241 00:14:07.480 --> 00:14:12.639 deliberately denied any kind of federal devolution of power from 242 00:14:12.639 --> 00:14:18.200 the very first, explicitly to contain any any attempts by 243 00:14:18.360 --> 00:14:20.200 people to break away. I mean, the reason that the 244 00:14:20.679 --> 00:14:24.399 Union Constitution was instituted in nineteen ten was because the 245 00:14:24.440 --> 00:14:26.519 trance of all decided didn't want to be part of 246 00:14:26.559 --> 00:14:30.039 the customs. So they have like this big, big convention 247 00:14:30.559 --> 00:14:33.480 behind closed doors and say, listen, guys, we're not doing 248 00:14:33.480 --> 00:14:37.159 this warshit again. You're going to sit down and we're 249 00:14:37.159 --> 00:14:39.000 not going to have devolution of powers. You're going to 250 00:14:39.000 --> 00:14:41.159 get with the program. We're going to have somewhere. We're 251 00:14:41.159 --> 00:14:43.440 going to have a cultural fusion of English and Africana, 252 00:14:43.679 --> 00:14:46.039 and we're going to protect every one nation that didn't 253 00:14:46.039 --> 00:14:50.080 even work. And the only point at which you got 254 00:14:50.600 --> 00:14:54.200 anything approaching white unity was under for food, when you 255 00:14:54.320 --> 00:14:57.399 got all for the first time the English speaking population 256 00:14:57.480 --> 00:15:03.720 shifted over to vote for the Nationalist Party. But the 257 00:15:03.960 --> 00:15:06.279 real thing is that you have a sort of idea 258 00:15:06.360 --> 00:15:12.279 of the first chunk of just just shy fifty years 259 00:15:12.279 --> 00:15:15.679 of the country is about trying to build this common 260 00:15:15.720 --> 00:15:20.919 identity between English and Afrikaans people under the under the 261 00:15:20.919 --> 00:15:25.159 British Empire. And it starts coming apart in the thirties 262 00:15:26.279 --> 00:15:29.559 and by nineteen forty eight it's you know, everyone sort 263 00:15:29.559 --> 00:15:31.679 of decided, no, we don't really want you know, the 264 00:15:31.679 --> 00:15:34.480 Africans are going to be the bell leader for the 265 00:15:34.480 --> 00:15:37.039 future and this is going to be an Afrikaans nation. 266 00:15:38.080 --> 00:15:42.559 And by sixty one we become a republic. You know, 267 00:15:42.759 --> 00:15:47.519 it's full speed ahead for Africanization of everything and an 268 00:15:47.559 --> 00:15:50.039 attempt to contain some of the forces that were led 269 00:15:50.120 --> 00:15:53.200 list because the big driver this is the gold mines. 270 00:15:53.200 --> 00:15:56.360 This is the reason that Nathan Rostrald got together with 271 00:15:57.559 --> 00:16:02.080 Bite Roads and Milne to unify the The whole point 272 00:16:02.120 --> 00:16:05.159 is mineral extraction. The problem also is that all the 273 00:16:05.159 --> 00:16:08.799 goldfields are far inland. I mean three times the size 274 00:16:08.799 --> 00:16:12.360 of Germany, remember, way larger than Texas. But you know, 275 00:16:13.000 --> 00:16:15.159 the mines are so far from the ports, so that 276 00:16:15.240 --> 00:16:18.039 you have to like unify all these different territories in 277 00:16:18.120 --> 00:16:22.480 order to give them sort of stable access. So you know, 278 00:16:23.720 --> 00:16:26.320 Als mentioned the riots, and the reason that those riots 279 00:16:26.320 --> 00:16:30.799 were so effective and so threatening was because they targeted 280 00:16:30.840 --> 00:16:36.000 the corridor, the main economic corridor between Johannesburg and Praetoria 281 00:16:36.039 --> 00:16:38.440 and all those mining hubs and derban. 282 00:16:38.559 --> 00:16:42.759 Yeah, they were a metaphorical knife over over an artery, 283 00:16:42.919 --> 00:16:45.440 like a main artery precisely. 284 00:16:45.559 --> 00:16:48.080 And I mean the thing is, you know, while African, 285 00:16:48.879 --> 00:16:53.240 do you have in the meantime the black societies form 286 00:16:53.279 --> 00:16:56.120 a sort of mirror image of what's happening in the 287 00:16:56.120 --> 00:17:00.639 white societies, where they're starting to for purely pragmatic political 288 00:17:00.759 --> 00:17:06.000 power reasons, consolidating around a homogeneous black identity under the 289 00:17:06.039 --> 00:17:09.559 ANC from nineteen twelve. And I mean this is not 290 00:17:09.599 --> 00:17:13.759 reflected on the ground amongst most black South Africans and 291 00:17:14.039 --> 00:17:17.599 you know, or even a plurality of them until very recently. 292 00:17:19.000 --> 00:17:20.599 But I mean you did get some writing about the 293 00:17:20.599 --> 00:17:24.519 emergence of this sort of deracillated black identity. I mean 294 00:17:24.920 --> 00:17:32.119 Jordan Gubane, a Zulu political commentator, called them the new Africans. 295 00:17:32.559 --> 00:17:34.920 And I think you wrote something in nineteen seventy nine 296 00:17:35.119 --> 00:17:38.759 called a Conflict of minds, and I recommend anyone to 297 00:17:38.759 --> 00:17:41.440 go read that. I mean, it's it's really a fantastic 298 00:17:41.480 --> 00:17:45.519 piece of insight. But I won't explain everything you said here, 299 00:17:46.200 --> 00:17:50.519 but it's the issue is that in order to challenge 300 00:17:50.559 --> 00:17:53.119 the white Pawer structure, they had to consolidate and form 301 00:17:53.200 --> 00:17:56.240 like a single block. And the process they build this 302 00:17:56.400 --> 00:18:02.640 ideology based on you know, economic distribution and race nationalism 303 00:18:02.720 --> 00:18:04.920 and race consciousness. I mean, the idea is that they 304 00:18:05.000 --> 00:18:08.160 got from w eb d Boys and Marcus Garvian or whatever. 305 00:18:08.160 --> 00:18:13.759 It was, like secondhand German race nationalist ideas really and 306 00:18:13.799 --> 00:18:17.799 then they combine them with bits of bits of Soviet economics. 307 00:18:18.359 --> 00:18:21.359 The ideology the ANC can really be something up as 308 00:18:21.880 --> 00:18:26.599 you know, black race consciousness plus Leninism, and the Leninist 309 00:18:26.680 --> 00:18:30.480 element is the two stage national democratic revolution. So the 310 00:18:30.480 --> 00:18:33.680 first revolution is the nationalist revolution, whereby you gain control 311 00:18:33.839 --> 00:18:37.519 the levels of power in society, in the in the economy, 312 00:18:37.839 --> 00:18:40.880 and the second phase is where you use those to 313 00:18:40.920 --> 00:18:44.480 transsform society into a socialist economy, except that with the 314 00:18:44.559 --> 00:18:49.319 race element it's transformed into a black socialist economy. And 315 00:18:49.480 --> 00:18:52.279 from the nineteen seventies. Already they were looking for inspiration 316 00:18:52.440 --> 00:18:55.920 from Indonesia with their expulsion of the Dutch and the Chinese, 317 00:18:56.319 --> 00:18:59.720 and from Zanziboi in their massacre of the of the Arabs. 318 00:18:59.720 --> 00:19:03.160 And it was even something called Operation j which failed 319 00:19:03.160 --> 00:19:07.680 in the most farcical way possible. But the original intention 320 00:19:07.799 --> 00:19:12.880 was to instigate as Zanzibar style genocidal massacre in South Africa. 321 00:19:13.319 --> 00:19:15.000 They didn't even manage to get the boat with the 322 00:19:15.000 --> 00:19:19.880 troops out of Somalia because they didn't maintain the engine, 323 00:19:20.160 --> 00:19:25.319 so that was completely abortive. But I mean, look at 324 00:19:25.319 --> 00:19:27.960 the nc has Alos been a fairly nasty organization and 325 00:19:28.640 --> 00:19:31.440 most of their political culture was really consolidated. In the 326 00:19:31.519 --> 00:19:37.759 nineteen eighties they took this is this military doctrine that 327 00:19:37.759 --> 00:19:41.200 they took from the Vietnamese called a People's War. They 328 00:19:41.200 --> 00:19:43.359 were paid to go over there in nineteen seventy nine 329 00:19:43.400 --> 00:19:48.240 by the Soviet Union and they studied with Vogwark of 330 00:19:48.319 --> 00:19:52.559 allmans Yupp, who is the you know general who you 331 00:19:52.559 --> 00:19:55.079 know completed the warrans just to stop you the robber. 332 00:19:55.319 --> 00:19:58.559 Just a great resource on the People's Wall if you 333 00:20:00.079 --> 00:20:03.359 on this book by Anthea Jfree called People's War, then 334 00:20:04.200 --> 00:20:07.200 a new light on the struggle for South Africa. It 335 00:20:07.319 --> 00:20:10.519 covers the entire concept. It is like a magnum opus 336 00:20:10.559 --> 00:20:11.920 on that concept. 337 00:20:11.799 --> 00:20:14.039 Absolutely, and I mean this this sort of explains the 338 00:20:14.079 --> 00:20:16.200 riots that we had last year. So that was big 339 00:20:16.240 --> 00:20:19.960 headline news. And I mean like I was contacted by 340 00:20:20.000 --> 00:20:21.960 I'm certain in seventy six or rivals or something for 341 00:20:22.000 --> 00:20:29.680 them last year about it as well. So the issue 342 00:20:29.720 --> 00:20:34.440 is that the the structure of the NCADA took on 343 00:20:34.480 --> 00:20:38.319 this idea that so everyone, man, women and child are 344 00:20:38.400 --> 00:20:41.119 all combatants. There's no such thing as being like not 345 00:20:41.160 --> 00:20:44.599 on a side or not a legitimate target. I mean 346 00:20:44.759 --> 00:20:48.000 Nelson Mandela had his had his principles. He sort of said, well, no, 347 00:20:48.000 --> 00:20:52.720 no human targets or just doing sabotage here. But of 348 00:20:52.759 --> 00:20:54.480 course on his way into jail he said, you know, 349 00:20:54.519 --> 00:20:57.000 I'm not going to rule out guerrilla warfare and terrorism. 350 00:20:57.079 --> 00:21:00.880 I mean, you know, if it's necessary, it's and that's 351 00:21:00.880 --> 00:21:03.960 what the people who followed him later did when they 352 00:21:03.960 --> 00:21:07.119 finally managed to get some funds and some training, and 353 00:21:07.200 --> 00:21:09.680 so the nineteen eighties. You see, if you go on 354 00:21:09.759 --> 00:21:11.640 to if you go on to Wikipedia and you look 355 00:21:11.680 --> 00:21:14.039 up a crime in South Africa. There's a big fat 356 00:21:14.079 --> 00:21:16.680 graph over there for the homicides over the over one 357 00:21:16.720 --> 00:21:20.440 hundred years from nineteen fifteen to twenty fifteen, and there's 358 00:21:20.440 --> 00:21:26.039 a gentle introdase that followers urbanization and population growth, and 359 00:21:26.359 --> 00:21:29.279 there's a massive spike from seventeen nineteen to ninety three 360 00:21:29.359 --> 00:21:33.039 that then starts declining, and that spike is the people's 361 00:21:33.200 --> 00:21:36.000 Now the official statistics for debts areund about twenty thousand, 362 00:21:36.599 --> 00:21:38.960 but if you look at the area under that that 363 00:21:39.039 --> 00:21:42.160 spike in the graph, the numbers are way higher. They're 364 00:21:42.319 --> 00:21:46.720 way higher, and it's you know, death by sort of torture, mobbing, 365 00:21:47.599 --> 00:21:53.279 burning down entire townships, just absolutely insane augi of violence. 366 00:21:54.799 --> 00:21:57.400 And you know, none of this is reported on because 367 00:21:57.440 --> 00:22:00.960 all of the journalists were around the world very dutifully 368 00:22:01.200 --> 00:22:03.799 remembered that, well, if we still want us sources to 369 00:22:03.799 --> 00:22:05.880 talk to us, we can't say anything they don't like. 370 00:22:06.240 --> 00:22:09.160 So they would they would actively lie in order to 371 00:22:09.200 --> 00:22:11.640 maintain contact and keep being able to write pieces on 372 00:22:11.680 --> 00:22:17.039 the ground. And they they freely admitted this to Anthea Jeffrey, 373 00:22:17.039 --> 00:22:19.720 which is why of her book is such a fantastic resource. 374 00:22:22.279 --> 00:22:24.079 But I mean, this is the structure means that when 375 00:22:24.119 --> 00:22:27.519 when when they did the riots last year, the contoy season, 376 00:22:27.519 --> 00:22:29.960 which the military ring of the a n C, they 377 00:22:30.240 --> 00:22:33.119 had decided that they were going to back Jacob Zumer 378 00:22:33.119 --> 00:22:39.119 as the former president against against the criminal charges against 379 00:22:39.200 --> 00:22:43.119 him for like racketeering, bribery, all kinds of stuff. And 380 00:22:43.160 --> 00:22:45.519 when he was placed in jail, they shut down about 381 00:22:45.880 --> 00:22:50.720 half the country's economy. They targeted and it was like 382 00:22:50.759 --> 00:22:57.000 a reasonably military level operation. When you look at them ms, 383 00:22:57.039 --> 00:23:00.400 it's like, okay, target the you know, the side as 384 00:23:00.440 --> 00:23:05.160 the depots, the roads, the rails, reports, shut all that down. 385 00:23:05.200 --> 00:23:07.119 But what they did is they then sort of rallied 386 00:23:07.200 --> 00:23:11.079 ordinary people and activists within the party to go and 387 00:23:11.319 --> 00:23:14.960 glut and raid and target white and Indian owned businesses, 388 00:23:16.039 --> 00:23:19.039 and they encouraged them with open use of genocidal rhetoric. 389 00:23:19.759 --> 00:23:22.119 And once they were done with the businesses, they started 390 00:23:22.119 --> 00:23:24.799 going off the people's suburbs. But the problem is by 391 00:23:24.839 --> 00:23:28.039 then these people, most people had sort of tooled up 392 00:23:28.160 --> 00:23:31.920 and hundreds hundreds of black people died trying to do 393 00:23:32.200 --> 00:23:39.079 massacre the minorities in Durban and in Coburg Johannesburg. You 394 00:23:39.160 --> 00:23:41.799 actually got you know, large sections of the black population 395 00:23:41.839 --> 00:23:44.119 who didn't want anything to do with us insane nonsense, 396 00:23:44.759 --> 00:23:47.839 who formed their own defensive forces, and now they're sort 397 00:23:47.839 --> 00:23:52.759 of they've evolved into something called Operation to Doula and 398 00:23:52.839 --> 00:23:55.359 another thing called the Soweto Parliament, who are aiming for 399 00:23:55.359 --> 00:24:01.359 some sort of non partisan national sort of black nationalist 400 00:24:01.400 --> 00:24:06.359 ideology that's non communist and non pan African, turned their 401 00:24:06.400 --> 00:24:08.279 back on the liberation and and sort of gone very 402 00:24:08.279 --> 00:24:11.920 hard on order stuff. So there have been a lot 403 00:24:11.960 --> 00:24:16.960 of you know, fall hours from that. It's the best 404 00:24:16.960 --> 00:24:18.960 way that you can sort of sum up the black 405 00:24:19.039 --> 00:24:22.160 nationalist ideas over here is that they are the two 406 00:24:22.240 --> 00:24:25.200 key words you have over here are into and unity, 407 00:24:25.799 --> 00:24:30.720 and so unity would be in there, but there's no 408 00:24:30.759 --> 00:24:32.799 need to make two words. So the idea about UBUNTU 409 00:24:32.920 --> 00:24:36.200 is more that our culture is the most human culture. 410 00:24:37.279 --> 00:24:46.240 Your participation, no loyalty to this culture, and then and 411 00:24:46.279 --> 00:24:50.319 then years like we are not approaching any divisiveness is 412 00:24:50.359 --> 00:24:55.559 considered like a fear fundamentally, So this is very sort 413 00:24:55.559 --> 00:25:04.720 of consensus based idea going around. And yeah, so it's 414 00:25:04.759 --> 00:25:09.720 it's a very tricky business because trying trying to oppose 415 00:25:09.799 --> 00:25:13.039 any of these ideas as a white person, You're immediately 416 00:25:13.079 --> 00:25:16.599 in the position of going, well, if you appeal to 417 00:25:16.640 --> 00:25:21.160 your identity, then you are then you're immediately being divisive 418 00:25:21.799 --> 00:25:25.640 if if they even recognize you as being part of 419 00:25:25.839 --> 00:25:30.279 the community itself. So it's it doesn't allow a lot 420 00:25:30.319 --> 00:25:33.680 of avenues for legitimate resistance, and so everything becomes about 421 00:25:33.680 --> 00:25:34.839 a balance of forces. 422 00:25:36.079 --> 00:25:41.440 M m hm yes, oh yeah, No, well, Rob paint 423 00:25:41.480 --> 00:25:44.960 to the very very detailed picture of the different dispensations. 424 00:25:44.960 --> 00:25:46.759 But I think what I want to add there, well, 425 00:25:46.839 --> 00:25:49.240 you just ended on it, and that's the balance of forces. 426 00:25:49.279 --> 00:25:52.759 There's many of these concepts coming out of South Africa 427 00:25:52.799 --> 00:25:55.039 that if you understand them, they can actually be applied 428 00:25:55.039 --> 00:25:57.640 in many contexts. So the balance of forces is pretty 429 00:25:57.720 --> 00:26:01.359 much the philosophical is operandi of the a n C 430 00:26:01.519 --> 00:26:05.200 when it comes to their practical approach to policy making, 431 00:26:05.319 --> 00:26:08.599 making moves in their grand chess game is And that's 432 00:26:08.640 --> 00:26:12.279 another thing. Don't don't make the mistake that these a 433 00:26:12.400 --> 00:26:14.920 NC oaks are just like idiots or like they don't 434 00:26:14.960 --> 00:26:16.880 know what they're doing. Like there's a lot of guys 435 00:26:16.880 --> 00:26:19.000 that's just there for corruption, a lot of them just 436 00:26:19.039 --> 00:26:21.839 there to get on the gravy train. But a lot 437 00:26:21.880 --> 00:26:26.799 of them are genuine ideologues, people that have an ideological plan, 438 00:26:27.359 --> 00:26:31.079 fanatic or about it. But yeah, so the concept of 439 00:26:31.319 --> 00:26:34.359 the balance of forces is very simple when it comes 440 00:26:34.400 --> 00:26:38.759 to whether they ever want to impose a policy or 441 00:26:38.839 --> 00:26:42.160 piece of legislation they chair, they look at the balance 442 00:26:42.200 --> 00:26:45.799 of forces, and the balance of forces means is the 443 00:26:46.640 --> 00:26:50.079 the the aggregate of all the different forces that are 444 00:26:50.160 --> 00:26:53.160 pro and against us in our favor or against us 445 00:26:54.480 --> 00:26:57.319 in our favor or not in our favor. And the 446 00:26:57.400 --> 00:27:00.319 only way, the only way you can really influens the 447 00:27:00.400 --> 00:27:04.000 ruling party, the ANC, is by tipping the balance of 448 00:27:04.079 --> 00:27:07.359 forces against them, or to put them in a position 449 00:27:07.400 --> 00:27:10.200 where they realize but the balance of forces is not 450 00:27:10.279 --> 00:27:12.599 in there, then you can make them do anything you want, 451 00:27:12.759 --> 00:27:15.799 if you if you can play that power game, because 452 00:27:15.839 --> 00:27:17.880 that's their game, that's the rule they that's the rule 453 00:27:17.920 --> 00:27:21.519 they play by. And it's it's that old concept of 454 00:27:21.880 --> 00:27:24.680 you push, You push the population to a certain point, 455 00:27:24.680 --> 00:27:26.599 and when they react and push back, you stop, and 456 00:27:26.640 --> 00:27:28.559 you wait and you wait for them to calm down. 457 00:27:28.759 --> 00:27:29.680 And then you push again. 458 00:27:29.759 --> 00:27:31.599 You push a little bit, you just push them a 459 00:27:31.680 --> 00:27:34.079 meter in one direction and then they start getting upper. 460 00:27:34.119 --> 00:27:36.240 Do you they start getting angry, they start burning things. 461 00:27:36.279 --> 00:27:38.759 So you stop, you wait, wait for them to calm down. 462 00:27:39.039 --> 00:27:42.279 You just do that ad infinitum and pushing them a 463 00:27:42.319 --> 00:27:45.440 meter by meter, scen to meter, or even millimeter by millimeter. 464 00:27:45.640 --> 00:27:49.039 In a few years, they end up hundreds of kilometers 465 00:27:49.079 --> 00:27:51.079 or miles away from the point where they start, and 466 00:27:51.119 --> 00:27:53.440 they have no idea how they got there. And they 467 00:27:53.559 --> 00:27:56.640 just snap snap out of it and they're like, how 468 00:27:56.640 --> 00:27:59.279 do we get here? While you got their one tiny 469 00:27:59.279 --> 00:28:01.640 little scene to me sad at a time. But that's 470 00:28:01.680 --> 00:28:05.480 basically their their formula. Now what Rob described when it 471 00:28:05.519 --> 00:28:08.880 comes to the apartheid era, that was a dispensation of 472 00:28:09.519 --> 00:28:12.839 a forced separation, but now we are living in a 473 00:28:12.839 --> 00:28:17.000 dispensation of forced integration. But it's built on the philosophy 474 00:28:17.039 --> 00:28:21.200 the actually pretty much similar to the globalist philosophy of 475 00:28:21.279 --> 00:28:23.519 you're trying to solve not the problem of evil, but 476 00:28:23.559 --> 00:28:27.319 the problem of conflict, a problem as old as humanity itself. 477 00:28:27.359 --> 00:28:30.559 It's every utopians like Gordian not if we can solve 478 00:28:30.599 --> 00:28:34.839 this year, you win a prize, but the problem of conflict. 479 00:28:35.599 --> 00:28:38.640 I'm oversimplifying. But the way their philosophy are they want 480 00:28:38.680 --> 00:28:42.240 to solve the problem of conflict is they find they 481 00:28:42.519 --> 00:28:46.240 pin the root of conflict in difference. So in linguistic differences, 482 00:28:46.480 --> 00:28:51.519 religious differences, cultural differences, every type of difference that there is, 483 00:28:51.880 --> 00:28:55.119 that's where conflict in their framework arises from. So of 484 00:28:55.160 --> 00:28:59.039 course the next jump then philosophically for them is if 485 00:28:59.039 --> 00:29:02.359 we eliminate all these differences or minimize them, we will 486 00:29:02.400 --> 00:29:08.039 also minimize conflict and we will move towards a more peaceful, coexisting. 487 00:29:07.480 --> 00:29:08.119 World of people. 488 00:29:08.160 --> 00:29:11.160 Because conflict is also not good for business, as of 489 00:29:11.240 --> 00:29:14.680 course Luma told what Rob described there shows you. So 490 00:29:15.920 --> 00:29:20.160 there's the utopian side of just wanting to destroy conflict 491 00:29:20.160 --> 00:29:22.720 because if you feel that's the moral right thing to do. 492 00:29:23.039 --> 00:29:25.240 And then there's just literally the cynical side of people 493 00:29:25.240 --> 00:29:27.480 that want to live in a world of art conflict. 494 00:29:27.480 --> 00:29:30.200 Because conflict is not good for business. Instability is not 495 00:29:30.279 --> 00:29:35.160 good for consumers. Any type of war or infighting between 496 00:29:35.200 --> 00:29:39.039 groups or civil war or feuds between groups or factions 497 00:29:39.119 --> 00:29:41.480 is not good for an economy. It's not good for 498 00:29:41.559 --> 00:29:45.160 the graph go up type of people. So what we 499 00:29:45.200 --> 00:29:48.200 are living in South Africa is the South African experiment, 500 00:29:48.400 --> 00:29:50.359 or they literally call it. In the nineties the South 501 00:29:50.359 --> 00:29:54.559 African experiment. But then they realized people were raising their eyebrows, 502 00:29:54.599 --> 00:29:57.160 so they started talking about the South African project. Now 503 00:29:57.440 --> 00:30:00.160 it's a lot more soft on the ear, but in 504 00:30:00.279 --> 00:30:04.960 essence it is a project of forced, forced integration. Where 505 00:30:05.440 --> 00:30:08.799 do you try to standardize everything? And they got this 506 00:30:08.880 --> 00:30:11.920 from the Soviets there an see this idea of standardization. 507 00:30:12.000 --> 00:30:14.599 We want to live. We want to create a society 508 00:30:14.680 --> 00:30:17.279 of standardized men. That was what Lenin wanted to do 509 00:30:17.359 --> 00:30:22.079 as well with the Russian population. So what she then you? You, 510 00:30:22.799 --> 00:30:25.640 my friend Russell LOMBERTI actually summed it up very well 511 00:30:25.759 --> 00:30:27.519 just a week ago and I talked to him. He said, 512 00:30:28.240 --> 00:30:31.640 South Africa is famous for having eleven official languages, but 513 00:30:31.680 --> 00:30:34.640 it's the biggest farce. We only have one official language 514 00:30:34.680 --> 00:30:38.200 technically speaking, and that is English, the state mandated language. 515 00:30:39.039 --> 00:30:46.400 And that's that part of the homogenization standardization project. Everyone. Firstly, 516 00:30:46.480 --> 00:30:51.480 everyone needs to abandon their cultural roots they and adopt 517 00:30:51.519 --> 00:30:54.279 a new and their cultural identity and need they need 518 00:30:54.319 --> 00:30:58.319 to adopt the South African identity. They are South Africans first, 519 00:30:58.359 --> 00:31:01.480 and then they are Afrikanas and Zulus and vendors and 520 00:31:01.519 --> 00:31:06.599 Tanungas and cause US and everything in between. But so 521 00:31:06.720 --> 00:31:13.400 that's the one thing. You abandon your organic age, old 522 00:31:13.960 --> 00:31:17.759 identities and you take on this new, artificial, state based 523 00:31:17.839 --> 00:31:22.880 identity where you are a South African whatever that means, 524 00:31:22.920 --> 00:31:25.319 you live with which it's so empty. You just live 525 00:31:25.319 --> 00:31:27.720 in the parameters of South Africa. You live within the 526 00:31:27.720 --> 00:31:30.920 borders and you bry some meat over open fire and 527 00:31:30.920 --> 00:31:34.599 on again. But then that's the one part. The other 528 00:31:34.640 --> 00:31:38.240 part is you abandon your language. That's not good for 529 00:31:38.559 --> 00:31:41.119 efficient system. If you want to run an efficient system, 530 00:31:41.200 --> 00:31:43.720 everyone needs to be doing business in one language, getting 531 00:31:43.799 --> 00:31:48.480 education in one language, socializing in one language, doing litigation 532 00:31:48.640 --> 00:31:52.240 in one language. Courts are running on one language. Every 533 00:31:52.279 --> 00:31:55.119 single system needs to be optimized with one language. That 534 00:31:55.200 --> 00:31:58.200 language is English. So what you're seeing is a systemic 535 00:31:58.279 --> 00:32:02.559 destruction of just every other language in South Africa with 536 00:32:02.680 --> 00:32:06.079 the with the black languages, they just don't develop them. 537 00:32:06.079 --> 00:32:08.200 The ANC does everything in their power to make sure 538 00:32:08.240 --> 00:32:11.400 these languages just die out and that the black population 539 00:32:11.920 --> 00:32:16.240 anglicizes and takes on English. So that's that's the black 540 00:32:16.319 --> 00:32:19.000 language is covered. When it comes to Afrikaans, for example, 541 00:32:19.160 --> 00:32:21.799 it is a more difficult challenge because Afrikaans in the 542 00:32:21.839 --> 00:32:26.079 past hundred years was developed from a kitchen language to 543 00:32:25.519 --> 00:32:29.640 a to a language that is an academic language. I 544 00:32:29.680 --> 00:32:32.200 think it's one of only three languages in the last 545 00:32:32.359 --> 00:32:35.440 hundred years that was developed from like a low tier 546 00:32:35.880 --> 00:32:39.400 just casual language to an academic level language. I think 547 00:32:39.759 --> 00:32:44.200 I can't remember what the other two. So, yeah, Hebrew 548 00:32:44.279 --> 00:32:47.759 was one of them, and then there's another one. But 549 00:32:48.279 --> 00:32:50.559 so Afrikaans is a bit more of a difficult ones 550 00:32:50.640 --> 00:32:54.559 because you've got actually you've got universities that are Afrikaans universities. 551 00:32:54.599 --> 00:32:57.240 You've got a lot of Afrikaans literature, you've got Afrikaans school. 552 00:32:57.279 --> 00:32:59.680 So what do you start doing. You start destroying those 553 00:32:59.720 --> 00:33:02.920 Africa KNT universities by bringing in English. First, you make 554 00:33:03.000 --> 00:33:06.880 it bilingual, so that you take Afrikaance university that is 555 00:33:07.000 --> 00:33:09.200 educating people and their mother tongue, and you say, well, 556 00:33:09.359 --> 00:33:11.759 you're not inclusive enough, so you turn it into a 557 00:33:11.799 --> 00:33:15.640 bilingual university in the name of inclusiveness. As soon as 558 00:33:15.680 --> 00:33:19.960 the English Yeah, as soon as the English speaking population 559 00:33:20.079 --> 00:33:22.200 is in the majority in the university, you say, well, 560 00:33:22.359 --> 00:33:26.119 now that the English speaking population of the university or 561 00:33:26.119 --> 00:33:28.799 of the students is the majority, we have no reason 562 00:33:28.839 --> 00:33:31.119 to keep it bilingual. We will now turn it into 563 00:33:31.119 --> 00:33:34.519 an English university, but with translation services. So if you 564 00:33:34.599 --> 00:33:37.799 want to really learn in Afrikaans, you can get a 565 00:33:37.839 --> 00:33:40.960 translation service. But all the textbooks are in Africa are 566 00:33:40.960 --> 00:33:43.839 on English, all the classes are in English, all the 567 00:33:43.960 --> 00:33:46.240 tests on in English. But if you really want to, 568 00:33:46.319 --> 00:33:48.160 you can put a little earphone in your in your 569 00:33:48.160 --> 00:33:51.519 ear during class and you can hear the lecture what 570 00:33:51.599 --> 00:33:54.680 he just said in very poor or very very poor 571 00:33:54.720 --> 00:33:58.160 audio quality and someone that's not sure what the real 572 00:33:58.519 --> 00:34:01.680 what the academic word is supposed to translate. So then 573 00:34:01.720 --> 00:34:05.559 you just kill Afrikaans at the public, at the tertiary 574 00:34:05.799 --> 00:34:09.960 university level. That's already done. I was at university during 575 00:34:09.960 --> 00:34:12.280 this process. I saw it happen in front of my eyes, 576 00:34:12.320 --> 00:34:16.440 the destruction of my mother tongue education at tertiary level. 577 00:34:16.480 --> 00:34:20.719 I mean, I started first year trying to get to 578 00:34:20.920 --> 00:34:23.719 trying to do my university degree in Afrikaans. I tried. 579 00:34:23.760 --> 00:34:28.280 I literally sat and translated all my textbooks into Afrikaans meticulously. 580 00:34:28.679 --> 00:34:30.880 And then second year old around I realized, now the 581 00:34:30.920 --> 00:34:32.800 work is triple. I can't do it anymore. So I 582 00:34:32.840 --> 00:34:34.880 studied in English. So I got my degree in English 583 00:34:34.920 --> 00:34:37.760 but that's what happens to almost every student. Then, so 584 00:34:37.840 --> 00:34:42.039 now you've killed Afrikaans education on tertiary level. What they're 585 00:34:42.039 --> 00:34:45.159 currently doing is they're moving to school level now. So 586 00:34:45.239 --> 00:34:49.320 now they're trying to destroy Afrikaans in the Afrikaans schools 587 00:34:49.360 --> 00:34:52.400 where that's still the instruction language on school level. That's 588 00:34:52.440 --> 00:34:56.119 the next phase. But yeah, that aside, there's always forming 589 00:34:56.199 --> 00:35:00.320 part of the Grand Standardization project of the ANC forming 590 00:35:00.400 --> 00:35:02.639 part of this. We are trying to create this efficient 591 00:35:02.679 --> 00:35:07.000 system of standardized citizens where there's no conflict and where 592 00:35:07.840 --> 00:35:10.400 everything is just moving optimally and there's a lot of 593 00:35:10.400 --> 00:35:13.760 funds that that we can either loot or that we 594 00:35:13.760 --> 00:35:16.280 can use for other means. But yeah, like I said, 595 00:35:16.320 --> 00:35:19.079 there is a divide. It's not like everyone within the 596 00:35:19.159 --> 00:35:21.960 ruling party is doing everything for the same reason there 597 00:35:22.000 --> 00:35:25.079 but there are those that are just there for the corruption. 598 00:35:25.199 --> 00:35:29.280 But there are genuine fanatic idea logues and there are 599 00:35:29.280 --> 00:35:31.199 a lot of them are not even in the ruling party. 600 00:35:31.239 --> 00:35:33.760 They're just in positions of power, but they're still towing 601 00:35:33.800 --> 00:35:36.280 the line because they it's pretty much the South African 602 00:35:36.360 --> 00:35:39.519 version of the Cathedral, so they're pretty much just doing 603 00:35:39.639 --> 00:35:41.280 they know what they need to do. They don't even 604 00:35:41.320 --> 00:35:47.320 need instruction, and they're all just marching ahead with the standardization, ormoginization, 605 00:35:47.960 --> 00:35:52.119 forced Integration project. Well what's the excuse? 606 00:35:52.320 --> 00:35:54.960 I mean, yeah, I'm going to have to bring up 607 00:35:54.960 --> 00:35:58.360 apartheid because if I don't, somebody's going to scream at me. 608 00:35:59.320 --> 00:36:02.480 Is it that we suffered under this? Now we a 609 00:36:02.519 --> 00:36:07.920 better question how much leftover of that resentment? Is fuel 610 00:36:08.280 --> 00:36:10.239 fuels this or is it something else? 611 00:36:12.760 --> 00:36:14.719 Robber, you can start off the end of aug I 612 00:36:14.840 --> 00:36:15.760 just had a lot of time. 613 00:36:16.760 --> 00:36:18.800 I think the best way to I think the best 614 00:36:18.800 --> 00:36:20.920 way to start is to sort of realize that a 615 00:36:21.000 --> 00:36:24.679 proctect was the way people think of it is they 616 00:36:24.679 --> 00:36:26.960 think of that someone came up with this idea that 617 00:36:28.239 --> 00:36:31.039 you know, we live in this world with white and 618 00:36:31.079 --> 00:36:35.360 black people that separate them. The reality is that South 619 00:36:35.360 --> 00:36:38.440 Africa is extremely vast countries. Again, like I said, three 620 00:36:38.480 --> 00:36:41.000 times a side of Germany, and let's say you take 621 00:36:41.000 --> 00:36:43.400 one hundred and fifty years ago, You've got maybe three 622 00:36:43.480 --> 00:36:46.480 or four million people that's the population of It's not 623 00:36:46.519 --> 00:36:49.280 even the population of the Netherlands, like less than the 624 00:36:49.280 --> 00:36:54.559 population of Portugal. So you know, extremely though, so everyone 625 00:36:54.800 --> 00:37:00.280 sort of settled in areas which are culturally homogeneous or 626 00:37:00.320 --> 00:37:03.239 a lesser extent. I mean the cape was different. But 627 00:37:04.800 --> 00:37:12.079 that's much longer and more complicated story. So what happens 628 00:37:12.159 --> 00:37:16.440 is when in the country is unified, you've got all 629 00:37:16.480 --> 00:37:20.599 these different entities existing in one bubble, and the political 630 00:37:20.639 --> 00:37:23.559 elite in the political economy is run out of the 631 00:37:23.599 --> 00:37:27.440 white society with some migrant labor from the blacklack areas. 632 00:37:27.719 --> 00:37:29.440 So what they're do in order to stabilize is they 633 00:37:29.559 --> 00:37:31.960 draw little boundaries around the black areas of black people, 634 00:37:32.039 --> 00:37:34.920 settle can call those homelands. That happened in nineteen thirteen. 635 00:37:35.599 --> 00:37:39.000 They moved about I think sixties to ninety thousand people 636 00:37:40.000 --> 00:37:42.800 in order to tidy up the boundaries of these areas. 637 00:37:43.760 --> 00:37:46.880 And then yeah, and so then that was the system 638 00:37:46.920 --> 00:37:50.760 that be narrative of like basically a bunch of different 639 00:37:50.760 --> 00:37:54.400 countries in one area white people much less to one 640 00:37:54.880 --> 00:37:57.679 unitary state, and then a whole bunch of like tiny, 641 00:37:57.719 --> 00:38:03.760 weird sort of semi independent states that the living as 642 00:38:03.840 --> 00:38:04.920 colonial centropies. 643 00:38:06.360 --> 00:38:10.199 Maybe you just need to add to that. When it 644 00:38:10.239 --> 00:38:15.360 comes to the modern South African state, you ask, what's 645 00:38:15.400 --> 00:38:18.280 what's driving a lot of this? You need to understand. 646 00:38:18.280 --> 00:38:20.800 This is not a system that is designed just to 647 00:38:20.880 --> 00:38:24.039 target white people or Africana people. It is an anti 648 00:38:24.119 --> 00:38:26.559 culture system. As Patrick Denin would put it, it is 649 00:38:26.599 --> 00:38:29.800 a system that is designed to be a culture shred. 650 00:38:30.519 --> 00:38:33.760 This is what the South African current dispensation is. Its 651 00:38:33.960 --> 00:38:37.920 mortal enemy is any type of genuine culture or religion, 652 00:38:38.039 --> 00:38:41.400 or community or tradition. It is designed to destroy it, 653 00:38:41.440 --> 00:38:46.000 almost like an acid where anything that touches it is 654 00:38:46.079 --> 00:38:49.360 just eaten away. That's what it does. So what people 655 00:38:49.360 --> 00:38:51.679 need to understand, this is a nuanced point that it 656 00:38:51.800 --> 00:38:56.079 gets lost very easily, is that, yes, public enemy Number 657 00:38:56.079 --> 00:39:00.880 one of the regime is definitely Africana culture, White English culture. 658 00:39:02.159 --> 00:39:05.199 That's definitely one of its main enemies and targets. But 659 00:39:05.320 --> 00:39:08.920 it doesn't stop there at all. It is also targeting 660 00:39:08.960 --> 00:39:13.039 and destroying colored culture and many of the black cultures 661 00:39:13.079 --> 00:39:16.280 as well as well. South Africa is being ruled by 662 00:39:16.559 --> 00:39:20.440 urban Black South Africans, urban its and that have nothing 663 00:39:20.480 --> 00:39:24.840 but contempt for their cultural counterparts. In the rural parts 664 00:39:24.880 --> 00:39:29.039 of South Africa. They really don't think a lot of 665 00:39:29.119 --> 00:39:32.440 their their cultural counterparts. They actually look down on them 666 00:39:32.440 --> 00:39:36.079 as savage and backwards that's what is happening, and you 667 00:39:36.119 --> 00:39:40.320 need to understand that this is the dynamic that's going on. 668 00:39:40.400 --> 00:39:43.599 It's not just a system designed to attack white cultures. 669 00:39:43.599 --> 00:39:46.599 It is a system that attacks cultures period. It is 670 00:39:46.639 --> 00:39:51.519 there to destroy Afrikana culture, cause our culture, Zulu culture, 671 00:39:51.760 --> 00:39:55.000 Vendor culture, all of these are its mortal enemies and 672 00:39:55.039 --> 00:39:58.119 it's targeting all of them with laser like precision, and 673 00:39:58.159 --> 00:40:02.480 it's mercilessly destroying and wiping them up on a linguistic 674 00:40:02.519 --> 00:40:03.440 and a cultural level. 675 00:40:04.000 --> 00:40:06.039 Yeah, this is why Jacob's was such a big shot 676 00:40:06.079 --> 00:40:09.760 to the system because he reinjected a sort of he 677 00:40:09.800 --> 00:40:11.519 had closer ties to the chieftaincies. 678 00:40:12.000 --> 00:40:15.159 Yeah, he wasn't de raestimated, No, he wasn't. 679 00:40:15.199 --> 00:40:19.599 You know, sort of a traditional polygamous family, proud of 680 00:40:19.599 --> 00:40:23.239 his ethnic heritage, which was again it seems very divisive 681 00:40:23.400 --> 00:40:28.480 within the ANC. So yeah, it was a difficult That 682 00:40:28.599 --> 00:40:31.079 was a difficult thing for everyone, and everyone sort of says, well, ah, 683 00:40:31.159 --> 00:40:33.239 you know the reason everything thing's going down is because 684 00:40:33.320 --> 00:40:35.159 Jacob Zumer and then they forget, of course that the 685 00:40:35.159 --> 00:40:37.800 policies were all set back in the nineteen nineties, so 686 00:40:37.840 --> 00:40:40.280 it's just sort of like a slow burn that he 687 00:40:40.400 --> 00:40:43.280 participated in some of. But that's besides the point. I mean, 688 00:40:43.320 --> 00:40:46.480 the aparthe thing is what we know as a partheid 689 00:40:46.559 --> 00:40:50.280 with like people think about like segregated beaches and you know, 690 00:40:50.360 --> 00:40:52.800 drinking fun and stuff. That came a little bit later, 691 00:40:54.559 --> 00:40:56.639 and it sort of started in a wave of reforms 692 00:40:56.639 --> 00:40:59.519 that it was from like the nineteen twenties to thirties, 693 00:41:00.119 --> 00:41:04.159 and it was you know, academics sort of refer to 694 00:41:04.239 --> 00:41:06.440 this as grand and petty apart. As a grand aparte, 695 00:41:06.440 --> 00:41:09.920 it is like the different geographical areas, you know, which 696 00:41:09.920 --> 00:41:13.039 are homelands for black people versus the white metropol and 697 00:41:13.079 --> 00:41:19.559 it's sort of vast aggricultural hintment. And then petty aparte 698 00:41:19.880 --> 00:41:22.760 is the segregation that it's imposed on the migrant laborers 699 00:41:22.760 --> 00:41:26.719 from the black areas into white South Africa. So but 700 00:41:26.800 --> 00:41:30.400 that migrant labor that is something that was imposed upon 701 00:41:31.760 --> 00:41:34.880 white areas who tried to resist it. In the nineteen twenties, 702 00:41:34.880 --> 00:41:38.960 there was a major uprising. They tried to push back 703 00:41:39.000 --> 00:41:44.559 against the importation of black labor from these from these 704 00:41:44.559 --> 00:41:47.719 sort of black colonial zones outside of the white metropol 705 00:41:48.679 --> 00:41:53.679 and yeah, they were gone done by the government for 706 00:41:53.760 --> 00:41:56.760 doing so. So, I mean one of the big crimes 707 00:41:56.760 --> 00:41:59.159 that's picked on over here is not just the in segregation, 708 00:41:59.239 --> 00:42:04.239 it's also you know, the give economic exploitation. But you 709 00:42:04.280 --> 00:42:06.920 know that's a product of an elite that's been in 710 00:42:07.000 --> 00:42:09.000 charge of the country since the year dot. I mean, 711 00:42:09.320 --> 00:42:12.119 big families in charge of this country are Rothschild, Oppenheimer, 712 00:42:12.119 --> 00:42:15.679 and Rupert Becker. There's a couple of others, but I 713 00:42:15.719 --> 00:42:18.159 mean the biggest of the big names of you know, 714 00:42:19.199 --> 00:42:22.960 the Rothschild family funded the Mulner group that unified the 715 00:42:22.960 --> 00:42:27.000 country by war. The Oppenaheima family were funded by JP 716 00:42:27.119 --> 00:42:29.400 Morgan in the nineteen twenties to scoop up the mines 717 00:42:29.440 --> 00:42:32.639 on the round. And you know, these people have been 718 00:42:32.679 --> 00:42:35.840 pushing for economic and cultural integration for a very long time, 719 00:42:36.320 --> 00:42:40.119 and they are actually behind the the Oppenoma family actually 720 00:42:40.119 --> 00:42:45.360 behind the design of the current black economic empowerment laws. 721 00:42:45.760 --> 00:42:47.960 In two thousand and three, they wrote the legislation for 722 00:42:48.039 --> 00:42:51.920 US that basically forces companies over certain size and over 723 00:42:51.960 --> 00:42:59.360 about twenty six percent of their shares to black investors 724 00:42:59.480 --> 00:43:01.840 or whatever. And then they have quotes for management and 725 00:43:01.880 --> 00:43:05.760 staff and so on as well. And this applies to 726 00:43:05.800 --> 00:43:11.119 all the institutions public and private, that you need a 727 00:43:11.159 --> 00:43:13.840 minimum quote of black people and there's no maximum quota. 728 00:43:13.880 --> 00:43:18.480 So you can have organizations that completely exclude minorities and 729 00:43:18.719 --> 00:43:22.840 that's perfectly legal, but you cannot have ones that exclude 730 00:43:22.840 --> 00:43:28.679 the majority. So the situation over this it's quite dire, 731 00:43:28.719 --> 00:43:31.599 and OP and i FM divested from all of their 732 00:43:31.639 --> 00:43:36.039 major industrial assets in twenty twelve after they realize of 733 00:43:36.079 --> 00:43:40.880 the consequences of their project. But it's sort of like 734 00:43:40.880 --> 00:43:44.679 a combination of naivety and cynicism. So the naivete is 735 00:43:44.679 --> 00:43:46.719 the aspect of well, you know, we really want to 736 00:43:46.719 --> 00:43:49.199 do well by these black people, and the cynicism as well. 737 00:43:49.440 --> 00:43:52.360 This also allows us to have some modicum of control 738 00:43:52.400 --> 00:43:55.679 over the black population because the reality is that they 739 00:43:55.679 --> 00:43:58.360 an't see by entangling themselves, because they become the primary 740 00:43:58.559 --> 00:44:01.920 benefactor of the Black Economic Parliament policies. Most of these 741 00:44:01.960 --> 00:44:05.639 share these sort of corporate share shared policies get shared 742 00:44:05.639 --> 00:44:08.960 out to ruling party members, placements on the board gets it, 743 00:44:09.440 --> 00:44:14.159 not to their friends and family. So but the consequences 744 00:44:14.159 --> 00:44:15.880 of this is that now that they're firm not they're 745 00:44:15.920 --> 00:44:18.039 not firmly embedded in what they used to call white 746 00:44:18.079 --> 00:44:23.039 monopoly capital. So this this this means that you know, 747 00:44:23.079 --> 00:44:25.119 the AC is stuck in the stalemate. I mean they're 748 00:44:25.119 --> 00:44:28.079 heading towards the position where they're they have enough balance 749 00:44:28.119 --> 00:44:30.719 of forces to declare that they've finished the first phase 750 00:44:30.760 --> 00:44:34.000 of the national democratic and revolution finally, but you know, 751 00:44:34.119 --> 00:44:36.840 they're sort of pussy footing around the big decisions because 752 00:44:37.480 --> 00:44:39.679 you know, investors can still threaten them with a bad 753 00:44:39.719 --> 00:44:44.559 time because of their entanglement. So there's a you know, 754 00:44:44.639 --> 00:44:49.480 this sort of combination of fascist fascist economics and and 755 00:44:49.599 --> 00:44:52.519 sort of this incrementalist policy. It sort of it has 756 00:44:52.559 --> 00:44:56.519 mixed results, but the big thing that it does is 757 00:44:56.519 --> 00:44:59.760 is a cripples investment, which is again something the Oppenheimer 758 00:44:59.760 --> 00:45:03.559 found have always delighted in. I mean they poured money 759 00:45:03.559 --> 00:45:05.760 into not in the Nationalist Party, but also the ANC 760 00:45:06.039 --> 00:45:14.440 and the divestment sanctions movement. So what they ended up 761 00:45:14.480 --> 00:45:16.920 having is all of the foreign companies they divers from 762 00:45:16.960 --> 00:45:21.039 South Africa because it becomes uncompetitive and economically unviable, and 763 00:45:21.079 --> 00:45:23.280 then they scoop up all of their assets of fire 764 00:45:23.320 --> 00:45:25.840 sale prices, and there by the end of the eighties 765 00:45:25.880 --> 00:45:29.800 they had direct or indirect control of about eighty percent 766 00:45:29.840 --> 00:45:33.639 of the form formal economy. And I mean these permanent oligarchs. 767 00:45:33.639 --> 00:45:35.400 I mean, like some of them are Africa who made 768 00:45:35.440 --> 00:45:38.079 their way up during the nationalist period, like the Rupert family. 769 00:45:38.840 --> 00:45:43.159 But there's there's like a very very small cluster of 770 00:45:44.199 --> 00:45:48.800 dynasties that basically have they ruled the country without any 771 00:45:49.000 --> 00:45:51.760 real check on their power. And I mean one of 772 00:45:51.800 --> 00:45:54.199 the biggest runs now is a guy called Patrise Mazepe, 773 00:45:54.239 --> 00:45:59.440 who's the brother in law current president. So yeah, the 774 00:45:59.480 --> 00:46:04.119 country is is more the wealth is more concentrated than 775 00:46:04.159 --> 00:46:07.800 you see in Russian or America anywhere else. It's extremely 776 00:46:07.840 --> 00:46:14.159 obscene and absurd. And every single stage of a pragmatic 777 00:46:14.199 --> 00:46:16.800 adjustment that they're using in order to hold onto their 778 00:46:17.599 --> 00:46:22.360 dominance causes more more nasty, stupid cruelty for ordinary people, 779 00:46:23.320 --> 00:46:26.559 no matter how sort of flung their ideals that they 780 00:46:26.639 --> 00:46:27.920 articulate these things in. 781 00:46:28.360 --> 00:46:31.559 Yeah, and an important point on that where you're talking 782 00:46:31.599 --> 00:46:35.320 about the inequality in South Africa. Since nineteen ninety four, 783 00:46:36.519 --> 00:46:40.199 inequality in South Africa has grown, but the driving force 784 00:46:40.320 --> 00:46:44.719 behind it is not inter race inequality. It's intra race 785 00:46:44.920 --> 00:46:51.320 inequality that's driving the unequality. Inequality in South Africa. The 786 00:46:52.159 --> 00:46:57.320 creation of a ridiculously wealthy black elite in South Africa 787 00:46:57.719 --> 00:47:02.079 is really something to behold money where even a diet 788 00:47:02.159 --> 00:47:04.719 in the wall capitalist will look at that. We'll look 789 00:47:04.760 --> 00:47:06.960 at that and just think this is not moral. This 790 00:47:07.079 --> 00:47:10.639 is there's something deeply morally abhorrent about having this much 791 00:47:10.719 --> 00:47:16.480 money and spending it in this just inhumanly flagrant way 792 00:47:17.239 --> 00:47:21.000 in a country like South Africa. It's it's absolutely insane. 793 00:47:21.199 --> 00:47:27.639 It's now and again, like a receipt or a bull 794 00:47:27.920 --> 00:47:31.599 from a government function leaks or like where they went 795 00:47:31.719 --> 00:47:35.719 out and had drinks, and it's it is genuinely morally 796 00:47:35.800 --> 00:47:39.760 abhorrent to see people, I think in dollar terms spend 797 00:47:39.920 --> 00:47:45.719 like in one evening, like almost hundreds of thousands of dollars. 798 00:47:46.639 --> 00:47:49.480 It's insane. It's really it breaks your brain. 799 00:47:50.280 --> 00:47:51.760 The worst the worst part is that when you look 800 00:47:51.760 --> 00:47:54.079 at they're not building anything with this capital they've got 801 00:47:54.079 --> 00:47:57.559 their hands on. There's i mean, the grosseric capital formation 802 00:47:57.679 --> 00:48:01.440 is pretty sort of stagnant in South Africa, so I 803 00:48:01.480 --> 00:48:03.119 mean it's it's not at least it's not even free 804 00:48:03.119 --> 00:48:05.159 for but I mean it's not looking good. 805 00:48:06.000 --> 00:48:10.000 And yeah, I mean. 806 00:48:10.079 --> 00:48:13.679 Everything's been going downhill for you know, as long as 807 00:48:13.719 --> 00:48:16.519 anyone can remember now, and I mean it didn't to 808 00:48:16.559 --> 00:48:18.480 be honest, I think I think it's people blame us 809 00:48:18.480 --> 00:48:19.960 a lot on the ANC. But if we were to 810 00:48:19.960 --> 00:48:23.679 be truly fired, actually started under the old regime as well, 811 00:48:24.519 --> 00:48:29.840 because right until the sanctions hit, we were running every 812 00:48:29.880 --> 00:48:34.199 year the real real sort of average income of white 813 00:48:34.199 --> 00:48:38.920 sideflings is computing by about like three to annually, and 814 00:48:40.039 --> 00:48:43.800 black wages were increasing by fifty per annually. I mean, 815 00:48:43.800 --> 00:48:48.239 there was an extraordinary boom like economic boom into and 816 00:48:49.320 --> 00:48:54.119 the amount of sort of redistribution of economic goods was 817 00:48:54.159 --> 00:48:59.480 actually quite large. The budget for the state for for 818 00:48:59.639 --> 00:49:02.599 you know, often infrastructure for the black areas in the 819 00:49:02.639 --> 00:49:06.119 country was in art strip the UN I think five 820 00:49:06.159 --> 00:49:10.159 times over h and I mean like the amount it 821 00:49:10.119 --> 00:49:12.800 it's there's a lot of this development going in. There's 822 00:49:13.159 --> 00:49:17.840 lots of economic growth happening, of course, with the the 823 00:49:18.840 --> 00:49:23.079 sort of necessary caviaret that the implicit deal was that 824 00:49:23.119 --> 00:49:25.599 black people had to accept that they were inferior, and 825 00:49:25.599 --> 00:49:28.639 this is delivered to them by a sort of air 826 00:49:28.760 --> 00:49:34.519 nas the the although their ideology doesn't really come from Germany, 827 00:49:34.559 --> 00:49:39.159 it's more from the Dutch sort of pastor and politician 828 00:49:39.280 --> 00:49:44.000 Abram characters, who's there was something called the Hamitic hypothesis, 829 00:49:44.000 --> 00:49:46.199 the idea that black people are the sons of ham 830 00:49:46.280 --> 00:49:50.559 and you know, the course of nowhere all of that. 831 00:49:52.559 --> 00:49:55.840 But I mean, this, this this large growth that was 832 00:49:55.920 --> 00:49:58.920 I mean, it wasn't quite as as energetic as you 833 00:49:58.960 --> 00:50:02.559 saw from the Asian Tigers, but it was pretty pretty good. 834 00:50:02.880 --> 00:50:06.199 And and then when the sanctions hit in the late 835 00:50:06.239 --> 00:50:10.119 seventies early eighties, the economy hits a brick wall. And 836 00:50:10.159 --> 00:50:12.559 now we're at war with the Soviet Union on the border. 837 00:50:12.599 --> 00:50:15.000 I mean, most people say so and Gola, but the 838 00:50:15.000 --> 00:50:18.559 reality was that it's like the Russians war with Ukraine. 839 00:50:18.679 --> 00:50:23.480 All of the troops are being moved around by Russian generals. 840 00:50:23.519 --> 00:50:29.280 All of the Angola Army, all the troops were moving 841 00:50:30.199 --> 00:50:31.719 moved around by Russian generals. 842 00:50:31.719 --> 00:50:34.360 All the equipment was in the mixed as well. 843 00:50:35.039 --> 00:50:37.559 Humans were in the mix as well. And soth Africa 844 00:50:37.719 --> 00:50:44.239 was owned against against this lot. And yeah, so that 845 00:50:44.440 --> 00:50:47.679 was the combination of a hot war on the border 846 00:50:47.719 --> 00:50:53.280 with a global superpower, and you know, economics, sanctions meant 847 00:50:53.280 --> 00:50:58.480 that the solution was just I mean, like the security 848 00:50:58.480 --> 00:51:01.159 budget for the state was like new fifty percent of 849 00:51:01.960 --> 00:51:04.599 the state budget. It was exceeded fifty percent of state 850 00:51:04.599 --> 00:51:11.239 budget by eighty six, and the sort of segregation rules 851 00:51:11.239 --> 00:51:14.480 have become absurd to where like you know, black labors 852 00:51:14.519 --> 00:51:17.440 were traveling like I think it was like six to 853 00:51:17.480 --> 00:51:22.760 eight hours daily transport. It was like the average to 854 00:51:22.920 --> 00:51:25.679 transport distance there to get a bit turned from work, 855 00:51:27.400 --> 00:51:32.079 and you know, constant terrorism and the inflation rate hit 856 00:51:32.320 --> 00:51:35.559 hit an absurd point. So we start getting we start 857 00:51:35.559 --> 00:51:38.920 getting a really sort of runaway inflation in this period 858 00:51:39.360 --> 00:51:42.079 and it never really quite cool down. I mean we've 859 00:51:42.119 --> 00:51:45.679 had we've had it's sort of stagnate. Inflation is sort 860 00:51:45.719 --> 00:51:49.760 of stagnated in the high single digits, and it's been 861 00:51:49.800 --> 00:51:52.000 sort of like that for as long as anyone can remember. 862 00:51:52.519 --> 00:51:54.920 Occasionally it jumps about ten percent, but not that often. 863 00:51:55.000 --> 00:51:58.840 But it's just not good because everyone's savings are worth nothing. 864 00:52:02.039 --> 00:52:05.519 I mean, it's not like Argentina, no Lebanon or Turkey 865 00:52:05.599 --> 00:52:08.599 or anything. But that's you know, if these are this 866 00:52:08.760 --> 00:52:11.440 wasn't like a sort of temporary thing. It's just sort 867 00:52:11.480 --> 00:52:14.480 of like that's how things are always and have been 868 00:52:14.559 --> 00:52:19.639 since you know, forty years ago. So yeah, it's that 869 00:52:19.719 --> 00:52:21.480 the economy has taken a knock. I mean, there's some 870 00:52:21.519 --> 00:52:23.679 other sort of funny, funny stuff that you'll find in 871 00:52:23.800 --> 00:52:27.800 economics that I think are under underrated. And the big 872 00:52:27.800 --> 00:52:32.440 one for me is actually the deregulation of trucking in 873 00:52:32.519 --> 00:52:35.159 nineteen seventy seven. And people thinking, Okay, well, this is 874 00:52:35.239 --> 00:52:38.559 like this marginal, ridiculous issue. The reality is that when 875 00:52:38.599 --> 00:52:44.079 you deregulate the trucking industry, so the relationship between the 876 00:52:44.079 --> 00:52:45.800 way to the trucks and the amount damage that they 877 00:52:45.840 --> 00:52:48.800 do to the to the roads is actually exponential increases 878 00:52:48.840 --> 00:52:51.880 to the power of four. So you know, like your 879 00:52:51.920 --> 00:52:56.480 normal family sedan does so little damage you don't even 880 00:52:56.559 --> 00:52:58.639 need to measure it, but the second you have like 881 00:52:58.800 --> 00:53:03.639 multi ton trucks, it's very severe. So they deregulated this. 882 00:53:04.159 --> 00:53:05.960 Two things happen when you do this. First of all, 883 00:53:05.960 --> 00:53:09.320 your damage on the roads gets enormous, and all of 884 00:53:09.320 --> 00:53:13.360 those costs are externalized, right, so it becomes much cheaper 885 00:53:13.400 --> 00:53:15.480 to run. And we've got the most extensive road network, 886 00:53:15.559 --> 00:53:18.039 one of the most extensive road networks of any country, 887 00:53:18.320 --> 00:53:25.880 you know, we really really highly paved country. And the 888 00:53:27.280 --> 00:53:30.079 freight charges that people are risking when they put their 889 00:53:30.119 --> 00:53:32.360 goods on the train. Well, you know you don't have 890 00:53:32.400 --> 00:53:35.719 to do that sticking on a modular transport unit traveled 891 00:53:35.760 --> 00:53:39.400 on the road. So then your revenue for the rail 892 00:53:39.480 --> 00:53:41.559 goes down, on your ability to keep preparing the resk 893 00:53:41.639 --> 00:53:44.760 go down. So in the past fifty years we've seen 894 00:53:44.760 --> 00:53:46.719 a decline in the rails and a decline in road 895 00:53:46.840 --> 00:53:50.519 quality and starting to reach up to an absolutely insane 896 00:53:50.559 --> 00:53:54.800 degree because the rails are not profitable, they're not being run. 897 00:53:54.840 --> 00:53:59.159 And they find all of the vast majority of the 898 00:53:59.239 --> 00:54:02.599 qualified civil urbans that were running everything that we had 899 00:54:03.239 --> 00:54:04.880 at the end of the nineties, I mean so many 900 00:54:04.880 --> 00:54:07.360 of them actually offered to stay on free of charge 901 00:54:07.719 --> 00:54:10.280 because they were so desperate to keep the country from 902 00:54:10.280 --> 00:54:13.119 falling into the condition that now is. But you know 903 00:54:13.360 --> 00:54:15.480 they weren't running to hear it's like, well bye, by Whitey, 904 00:54:15.519 --> 00:54:20.039 we've heard enough from you, and I mean the consequences 905 00:54:20.079 --> 00:54:24.679 of things that everyone has to bear. But the reforms 906 00:54:24.679 --> 00:54:26.880 in nineteen seventy seven they went beyond that. I mean 907 00:54:26.920 --> 00:54:30.440 they decided to try to peace the international market by 908 00:54:30.599 --> 00:54:34.400 embargoing Rhodesia, which meant that their war effort against the 909 00:54:35.039 --> 00:54:39.960 against ANOPF last two more years only, so I mean, 910 00:54:39.960 --> 00:54:42.559 like all of the reforms under forced that you know, 911 00:54:42.639 --> 00:54:46.880 attempts to appease the greater liberal Wesstern world, you know 912 00:54:46.960 --> 00:54:49.280 by sort of slightly opening up the labor markets because 913 00:54:49.280 --> 00:54:51.639 they ended and they actually sort of gradually dismantled the 914 00:54:51.639 --> 00:54:54.480 color bar from that point on, and by the mid 915 00:54:54.519 --> 00:54:57.960 of the eighties, they were no longer enforcing segregated living areas, 916 00:54:58.000 --> 00:55:00.719 so you know, if you buy a you could rent 917 00:55:00.760 --> 00:55:03.159 houses under proxy and sort of set up anywhere in 918 00:55:03.199 --> 00:55:06.119 any town. So you see, like people, you know, people 919 00:55:06.199 --> 00:55:09.960 are no longer hemmed in by where they're where they're 920 00:55:09.960 --> 00:55:13.280 working from. It's just everything starts going. A party started 921 00:55:13.280 --> 00:55:16.239 being dismantled in seventy seven. The idea that they were 922 00:55:16.280 --> 00:55:19.440 aiming for something called consociationalism, which is a plan from 923 00:55:19.760 --> 00:55:24.400 a Dutch guy called Ardent Laypath, and the idea is 924 00:55:24.400 --> 00:55:27.400 that basically you give every ethnic group some kind of 925 00:55:27.679 --> 00:55:32.159 veto on what happens at national politics. And it didn't 926 00:55:32.199 --> 00:55:33.719 work out. So I mean, they tried stuff like to 927 00:55:33.760 --> 00:55:37.119 we had like tricameral parliam in the nineteen eighties, so 928 00:55:37.199 --> 00:55:40.599 that you had, you know, you have these two different 929 00:55:40.599 --> 00:55:42.199 tiers of the white parliam and you were a third 930 00:55:42.239 --> 00:55:46.000 tier for various for people of various races to participate in. 931 00:55:46.639 --> 00:55:49.199 And they tried to set all set all the bunches 932 00:55:49.239 --> 00:55:52.800 stones up for independent national government, but they didn't really 933 00:55:52.840 --> 00:55:57.039 trial that hard. They didn't give them contiguous territories. They're 934 00:55:57.079 --> 00:55:59.239 too scared of pissing off their voting base. I mean, 935 00:55:59.840 --> 00:56:03.719 it's just like everyone realized, like fifty years too late, 936 00:56:03.760 --> 00:56:05.880 that they maybe should have been a bit more pragmatic 937 00:56:05.960 --> 00:56:10.679 with how they divided the country up. And you know, 938 00:56:10.719 --> 00:56:14.559 by the time, by the time negotiating settlement with the 939 00:56:14.599 --> 00:56:16.440 A and C, you're on the back foot. You've got 940 00:56:16.440 --> 00:56:20.119 no money in the kitty, and nobody believes in the 941 00:56:20.119 --> 00:56:24.599 system anymore, because I mean it was it was just inevitable. 942 00:56:24.599 --> 00:56:27.440 I mean, nobody sort of took any of the problem seriously. 943 00:56:27.519 --> 00:56:29.920 And the fixes that people are looking at now I'm 944 00:56:29.960 --> 00:56:31.960 just looking and going, you know, this is all too little, 945 00:56:31.960 --> 00:56:33.760 too late. I mean, all of the major reformers that 946 00:56:33.840 --> 00:56:37.960 the Western powers of funding, now you know you've got 947 00:56:38.840 --> 00:56:43.519 I wrote a little sit of a sardonical blog person 948 00:56:44.039 --> 00:56:47.159 called the World Economic Forum Party. They're talking about like 949 00:56:48.960 --> 00:56:51.320 the leader of this new party that's been run a 950 00:56:51.320 --> 00:56:56.199 former Democratic alliance, the Liberal Opposition Party. A former candidate 951 00:56:56.280 --> 00:56:59.800 from there called the Demo Mazibuko who went and studied 952 00:56:59.800 --> 00:57:02.960 at Harvard, got picked up by well, the Economic Forum 953 00:57:02.960 --> 00:57:05.719 and not like that's recruiting inside of it. So between 954 00:57:05.719 --> 00:57:08.000 her and then people who have associations with like the 955 00:57:08.039 --> 00:57:10.920 Open Side Foundation and stuff, they want to put together 956 00:57:11.079 --> 00:57:14.320 a new political party, and there's another group that wants 957 00:57:14.320 --> 00:57:17.000 to put together a similar political party. And all of 958 00:57:17.039 --> 00:57:19.800 these like nunimal parties that are heading towards the elections 959 00:57:19.800 --> 00:57:23.159 of twenty twenty four are sort of varying shades of 960 00:57:23.519 --> 00:57:26.480 status quo, but like maybe a tiny bit more border 961 00:57:26.519 --> 00:57:30.519 security or maybe a tiny bit sort of more market liberalism, 962 00:57:30.880 --> 00:57:37.239 but fundamentally racial discrimination, big good time, you know, radical 963 00:57:37.880 --> 00:57:44.480 libertine progressivism, big excellent good time. You know, it's you know, 964 00:57:45.440 --> 00:57:47.639 none of them are really interested in asking serious questions 965 00:57:47.679 --> 00:57:49.559 about what's role at the country or you know, where 966 00:57:49.559 --> 00:57:53.639 it's headed. And everyone's basically accepted what the NS preached 967 00:57:53.639 --> 00:57:57.400 in the nineties as states quote. And so the question 968 00:57:57.480 --> 00:57:59.760 is between you know, do give back this sort of 969 00:57:59.840 --> 00:58:03.719 like you know, silly meaning marked compromise or do you 970 00:58:03.800 --> 00:58:06.719 back back something real, and the people who are asking 971 00:58:06.920 --> 00:58:10.719 for something real is really sort of done to the 972 00:58:10.760 --> 00:58:14.519 economic Koreeum fighters who want a black nationalist totalitarian society 973 00:58:14.519 --> 00:58:18.920 in which all minorities are completely excluded from everything or 974 00:58:19.239 --> 00:58:24.440 pushed into the ocean and the economies run on communist principles. 975 00:58:24.960 --> 00:58:29.320 Or you have the independence movements, and there's only really, 976 00:58:29.480 --> 00:58:30.920 sort of the way I see it, there's three of them. 977 00:58:30.920 --> 00:58:35.079 There's a Enclave separatism, there's Cape separatism, which is what 978 00:58:35.280 --> 00:58:38.280 I'm involved in, because the Cape, while being sort of 979 00:58:39.199 --> 00:58:42.719 ethnically non homogeneous, is sort of like a creole gradient culture, 980 00:58:43.840 --> 00:58:46.119 so there's none of it, so it's not quite as 981 00:58:46.199 --> 00:58:49.800 contentious as it could be. And then There'szoo independence, which 982 00:58:49.920 --> 00:58:54.199 unfortunately is not organized as nobody really doing much important, 983 00:58:54.239 --> 00:58:57.159 but a lot of people are sympathetic, so they just 984 00:58:57.199 --> 00:59:00.679 need to get organized. And these are the only real 985 00:59:00.719 --> 00:59:03.239 sort of big questions you can big answers to the 986 00:59:03.320 --> 00:59:06.400 question you know where South Africa going is? Do you 987 00:59:06.480 --> 00:59:10.440 muddle along until nothing functions anymore and there's nothing worth saving, 988 00:59:11.079 --> 00:59:13.039 or do you try to and press the button and 989 00:59:13.199 --> 00:59:17.039 get like a real solution that may be painful and unpopular, 990 00:59:17.079 --> 00:59:20.159 but it gives you something worth saving. And the thing 991 00:59:20.199 --> 00:59:25.360 is we keep denying the second option everywhere, every every 992 00:59:25.440 --> 00:59:28.039 single stage where we had a reform opportunity, we've gone 993 00:59:28.079 --> 00:59:29.960 like nah, fam, I'm just going to hang about and 994 00:59:30.000 --> 00:59:33.880 keep trying to make this ridiculous nonsense work. And I mean, 995 00:59:34.800 --> 00:59:38.119 there were two major opportunities in the previous two dispensations. 996 00:59:39.079 --> 00:59:42.679 During the initial Union dispensation, we could have stuck what 997 00:59:42.760 --> 00:59:44.920 it was called the Cape franchise. That's what kind of 998 00:59:44.920 --> 00:59:48.039 what Rhodisa did is you have a non racial franchise 999 00:59:48.079 --> 00:59:52.199 with a property qualification, so only a minority of people vote. 1000 00:59:52.239 --> 00:59:54.440 But if but regardless of race, you can enter this 1001 00:59:54.480 --> 00:59:58.679 class and become a full citizen participany political process. That's 1002 00:59:58.679 --> 01:00:02.119 what the CAPE had until nineteen thirty six, if I 1003 01:00:02.159 --> 01:00:06.519 remember correctly. But instead, what we did is we wanted 1004 01:00:06.559 --> 01:00:10.159 to dilute the vote in order to get more Afrikaans 1005 01:00:10.199 --> 01:00:14.000 people voting. So when the Nationalist Party went its first 1006 01:00:14.039 --> 01:00:18.360 election nineteen twenty four, and so what they did is 1007 01:00:18.480 --> 01:00:22.800 they gave all white people, men, women, children, men and 1008 01:00:22.840 --> 01:00:27.000 women sorry the vote everyone about eighteen the more qualified franchise. 1009 01:00:28.559 --> 01:00:31.480 And that meant that now the majority of voters are 1010 01:00:31.639 --> 01:00:37.480 Afrikaans and the road to Africana Nationalism was said, Okay, 1011 01:00:38.119 --> 01:00:39.360 so now you're going to do you know, you're going 1012 01:00:39.440 --> 01:00:40.840 to do a unit. You're going to have like a 1013 01:00:40.880 --> 01:00:46.039 monoculture likel to a sort of model. Interesting. But then 1014 01:00:46.079 --> 01:00:47.719 what they do is they failed to give the black 1015 01:00:47.719 --> 01:00:51.440 people enough sort of territory that they can autonomously govern themselves. 1016 01:00:52.000 --> 01:00:53.960 It's like if you've looked anyone's ever looked at a 1017 01:00:53.960 --> 01:00:55.960 map at the bunt tons in South Africa, It's like, 1018 01:00:56.480 --> 01:00:59.840 you know, all these little peppercorn dots everywhere, but put 1019 01:00:59.840 --> 01:01:01.639 it one. I was breaking into how many, like six 1020 01:01:01.679 --> 01:01:05.239 pieces or something, And so I mean, like even the 1021 01:01:05.239 --> 01:01:08.400 ones that were relatively functional that we're confronted with extremely 1022 01:01:08.880 --> 01:01:14.320 ridiculous territorial situations, and you know, they didn't want to 1023 01:01:14.320 --> 01:01:16.320 bite the bullet. The government didn't want to bite the 1024 01:01:16.320 --> 01:01:18.199 bullet and threaten. 1025 01:01:17.960 --> 01:01:21.000 The Just just proof that I live in South Africa. 1026 01:01:21.119 --> 01:01:23.840 The runing blackouts just hit me this side. But I've 1027 01:01:23.880 --> 01:01:27.639 got my my internet's fine and my laptop is charged, 1028 01:01:27.679 --> 01:01:30.079 so we can continue the conversation. Just giving you some 1029 01:01:30.159 --> 01:01:32.639 context that I do live in the third world. I'm 1030 01:01:32.639 --> 01:01:39.000 not a Charlattan I'm not a hoaxer. Wow, but light 1031 01:01:39.159 --> 01:01:42.800 on just one second, but Rob can continue. Yeah, Yeah, I. 1032 01:01:42.719 --> 01:01:47.320 Just want to say, like this continual refusal to choose 1033 01:01:47.360 --> 01:01:52.119 meaningful options that have that have a sort of consistency 1034 01:01:52.239 --> 01:01:54.760 in terms of how they present themselves to the public 1035 01:01:56.039 --> 01:01:59.480 is I mean, partially it's a result of the economic 1036 01:01:59.519 --> 01:02:03.280 and permanent economic interests and parlim as a result of 1037 01:02:03.320 --> 01:02:08.880 I think a lack of willingness to try radical solutions. 1038 01:02:09.480 --> 01:02:12.400 So you have the NC that has these erradical ideas, 1039 01:02:12.519 --> 01:02:14.639 but then the balance of forces isn't in their favor, 1040 01:02:14.719 --> 01:02:17.639 so they come in in the nineties and they don't 1041 01:02:17.679 --> 01:02:21.800 get to they don't get to fulfill any of the 1042 01:02:21.840 --> 01:02:25.119 radical ideas that they really wanted to. They just hand 1043 01:02:25.119 --> 01:02:30.239 out some welfare and and then a few ten years 1044 01:02:30.320 --> 01:02:34.159 later they get the Black Economic Department program and it's 1045 01:02:34.199 --> 01:02:36.599 all sort of like this muddling nonsense. And what they 1046 01:02:36.639 --> 01:02:38.599 do in the meantime is they get the solution and 1047 01:02:38.639 --> 01:02:43.440 they steal everything that isn't nailed down, and everything goes 1048 01:02:44.159 --> 01:02:48.719 goes to Helen a handcart. And now we're presented in 1049 01:02:48.719 --> 01:02:51.159 this new period heading into twenty twenty four, were Heit 1050 01:02:51.440 --> 01:02:54.280 we're handled at a new option, a new set of options, right, 1051 01:02:55.199 --> 01:02:58.559 is we can really think about Okay, clearly everyone agrees 1052 01:02:58.559 --> 01:03:02.519 that whatever we're doing though it's not working. But the 1053 01:03:02.559 --> 01:03:06.280 willingness of people to alternative alternative seems to be basically tero. 1054 01:03:06.599 --> 01:03:09.199 If you look at the liberal the liberal opposition, the 1055 01:03:09.239 --> 01:03:11.880 way that they're presenting we have what we believe in 1056 01:03:12.199 --> 01:03:18.519 is how did they put constitutionalism and the rule of law? 1057 01:03:19.480 --> 01:03:26.519 I mean, like, what does that even mean? Because I mean, okay, 1058 01:03:26.559 --> 01:03:27.920 so if they want, if they want to say in 1059 01:03:28.000 --> 01:03:29.960 law and order, I'd be like, oh, okay, I see, 1060 01:03:30.000 --> 01:03:32.519 I see where you're going. You want crime gone, you 1061 01:03:32.679 --> 01:03:36.679 want you know, peace and quiet. But it's not That's 1062 01:03:36.719 --> 01:03:38.199 not what they're really fighting for because they know that 1063 01:03:38.239 --> 01:03:40.920 they can't win that fight. They can't really depress the 1064 01:03:41.159 --> 01:03:45.880 The country's overrun with violent crime. I mean, the mining 1065 01:03:45.880 --> 01:03:48.440 industry has been taken over by informal mining gang to 1066 01:03:49.800 --> 01:03:57.239 you know, brutally rape people in broad daylight. It's crazy nonsense. 1067 01:03:57.800 --> 01:03:59.719 And they're looking at this and they're saying, well, we 1068 01:03:59.760 --> 01:04:03.440 can make attractive to investors, pay off our debt, and 1069 01:04:03.519 --> 01:04:06.960 then get some functioning public services, and then within fifty 1070 01:04:07.039 --> 01:04:09.679 years maybe we can turn this thing around. And my 1071 01:04:10.440 --> 01:04:12.440 response to that is, well, everyone knows that you're a 1072 01:04:12.480 --> 01:04:14.559 minority party, do you really think you can stay in 1073 01:04:14.599 --> 01:04:19.239 power for fifty years? Like are you where do you 1074 01:04:19.239 --> 01:04:22.960 guys fall out? It's give it up, We'll take what 1075 01:04:23.039 --> 01:04:25.800 you you know, take what you can get away with realistically, 1076 01:04:26.000 --> 01:04:29.079 And and for me, that's the cape. I mean the 1077 01:04:29.239 --> 01:04:32.280 cape even now. I mean it's like it's not a 1078 01:04:32.320 --> 01:04:34.920 guarantee thing that this is actually a viral, viable political 1079 01:04:35.039 --> 01:04:37.400 enterity in the future. It's like, we have a chance. 1080 01:04:38.440 --> 01:04:39.800 That's so we have, we have a chance. 1081 01:04:40.880 --> 01:04:45.760 But just for some production value for your show, you 1082 01:04:45.880 --> 01:04:49.239 got some proof on camera of the state of South Africa. 1083 01:04:49.320 --> 01:04:52.679 Literally while we're talking, are the ruling black arts? Hit 1084 01:04:53.480 --> 01:04:56.920 my side? But John, I just wanted to give a 1085 01:04:56.920 --> 01:04:59.000 little bit of a foreboding thing. If you have any 1086 01:04:59.039 --> 01:05:03.119 European listener as you better be preparing for this well. 1087 01:05:03.920 --> 01:05:07.239 As before we started, you you had mentioned to me 1088 01:05:07.360 --> 01:05:11.079 you said we were talking about race, and you said, 1089 01:05:11.719 --> 01:05:14.599 let's talk about culture, and you said, like the culture 1090 01:05:15.000 --> 01:05:18.880 of an africannor and the culture of a white American 1091 01:05:19.119 --> 01:05:22.800 or any American really is, or you specifically said a 1092 01:05:22.800 --> 01:05:26.199 white American would be completely different, Like we. 1093 01:05:26.320 --> 01:05:29.079 Know there's a big difference, and people don't get it. 1094 01:05:29.400 --> 01:05:31.559 The best way to answer is actually a question that 1095 01:05:31.639 --> 01:05:34.519 me and Rob get off and is like just when when? 1096 01:05:34.840 --> 01:05:37.840 For example, Rob is and I'll spend time in detail 1097 01:05:39.199 --> 01:05:43.440 etching the situation in South Africa, painting the picture, and 1098 01:05:43.440 --> 01:05:45.639 then a lot of people abroad listen to that story 1099 01:05:45.639 --> 01:05:48.599 and they're like, but why are you still there? Why 1100 01:05:48.599 --> 01:05:52.360 don't you just leave? Why don't you just immigrate? And 1101 01:05:52.639 --> 01:05:56.119 in answering that question, you'll realize what's driving us and 1102 01:05:56.199 --> 01:06:00.320 many people here. The fact is, if I were to 1103 01:06:00.320 --> 01:06:03.880 to immigrate to America within one or two generations, my 1104 01:06:05.760 --> 01:06:10.000 my grandchildren or my children even will not be Afrikaners. 1105 01:06:10.079 --> 01:06:13.159 They will be speaking English. They will be Americans, and 1106 01:06:13.199 --> 01:06:15.679 they will probably not even know their history. 1107 01:06:15.719 --> 01:06:15.840 Well. 1108 01:06:15.880 --> 01:06:17.880 They will not know about the Buo Wall, they will 1109 01:06:17.880 --> 01:06:19.880 not know about the Great Trek, they will not know 1110 01:06:19.920 --> 01:06:21.599 about all those stories that I told you at the 1111 01:06:21.639 --> 01:06:25.639 beginning of the stream, and they will they will their 1112 01:06:25.760 --> 01:06:30.280 their tie with their cultural heritage will be severed. And 1113 01:06:30.320 --> 01:06:31.960 that's the thing a lot of and this is a 1114 01:06:32.079 --> 01:06:35.360 very cynical approach, but a lot of people use the 1115 01:06:36.159 --> 01:06:39.440 situation of the Afrikaners that we find ourselves in, especially 1116 01:06:39.480 --> 01:06:43.119 a lot of people of the race nationalist bend, they 1117 01:06:43.199 --> 01:06:46.760 just see us as an opportunity to bolster their numbers 1118 01:06:46.800 --> 01:06:49.320 in their own country and that they pretty much are 1119 01:06:49.400 --> 01:06:52.199 hoping for catastrophe in South Africa so that we all 1120 01:06:52.239 --> 01:06:54.800 flee as refugees to their countries so we can bolster 1121 01:06:54.840 --> 01:06:57.119 their numbers. But they don't give a They don't give 1122 01:06:57.119 --> 01:07:01.159 a shit about Afrikaanas or our culture because the reality is, 1123 01:07:01.199 --> 01:07:04.800 if that were to happen, Africana culture is not made 1124 01:07:04.960 --> 01:07:10.280 to be a diasporic culture. We don't have the cultural armor, 1125 01:07:10.360 --> 01:07:12.639 we don't have the cultural tools to be able to 1126 01:07:12.679 --> 01:07:18.280 survive outside of Africa. It just doesn't happen. I mean, 1127 01:07:19.039 --> 01:07:24.159 you will assimilate. Africanas particularly have an inclination to assimilate 1128 01:07:24.199 --> 01:07:27.679 and have shown a willingness and an eagerness to assimilate 1129 01:07:27.719 --> 01:07:29.559 in many of the countries, and it makes sense. It's 1130 01:07:29.559 --> 01:07:31.760 the proper thing to do when you immigrate to a country, 1131 01:07:31.840 --> 01:07:34.480 you assimilate to the host country. That is what the 1132 01:07:34.519 --> 01:07:37.159 proper thing. That's what I expect of someone that lives 1133 01:07:37.199 --> 01:07:39.559 in my community, and that's what I would do if 1134 01:07:39.599 --> 01:07:42.199 I were to move to another community, that's what you 1135 01:07:42.199 --> 01:07:46.559 should do. But that means that if there is no 1136 01:07:46.679 --> 01:07:49.639 future for Africanas in South Africa, there is no future 1137 01:07:49.639 --> 01:07:52.920 at all for the culture. And that's the thing. It's 1138 01:07:53.639 --> 01:07:56.440 when you look at South Africa just through a racial lens, 1139 01:07:56.480 --> 01:07:58.840 you're not going to understand that side of it. You're 1140 01:07:58.840 --> 01:08:01.760 just going to see a a struggle between a white 1141 01:08:01.800 --> 01:08:04.320 minority and a black majority, and you're you're going to 1142 01:08:04.400 --> 01:08:07.559 have no idea why the white minority is still sticking around. 1143 01:08:07.920 --> 01:08:09.880 Why don't they just leave? Why don't they just leave 1144 01:08:10.159 --> 01:08:12.719 to and go live in a white majority country or 1145 01:08:12.719 --> 01:08:15.280 in a First World country, or in a Western country 1146 01:08:15.320 --> 01:08:17.760 or whatever, any place better than South Africa? 1147 01:08:17.840 --> 01:08:18.039 Right? 1148 01:08:19.000 --> 01:08:21.920 But we stick around? I mean, shit, did I've got 1149 01:08:21.920 --> 01:08:24.399 the means to immigrate and I'm not doing it and 1150 01:08:24.439 --> 01:08:27.399 I'm not planning to ever. And that's the thing. And 1151 01:08:27.439 --> 01:08:30.800 I think that's where that's where your big lesson when 1152 01:08:30.840 --> 01:08:33.520 it comes to South Africa comes in, is the fact 1153 01:08:33.560 --> 01:08:38.359 that when it comes to digging in somewhere and fighting 1154 01:08:38.399 --> 01:08:41.079 for something that's important to you and something that's meaningful 1155 01:08:41.119 --> 01:08:44.479 to you, there is no more meaningful in great life 1156 01:08:44.479 --> 01:08:47.279 than that to be fighting for something genuine. I mean, 1157 01:08:47.279 --> 01:08:50.760 a lot of people talk about like these fantasies of 1158 01:08:50.840 --> 01:08:54.119 like living in a post apocalyptic world and like fighting 1159 01:08:54.199 --> 01:08:56.600 for survival. I mean, should do a lot of those 1160 01:08:56.640 --> 01:09:00.239 elements you're going to find in South Africa. I work 1161 01:09:00.239 --> 01:09:04.319 for an organization that's fighting for cultural survival every day 1162 01:09:04.800 --> 01:09:06.439 and I love it and it gives me meaning in 1163 01:09:06.479 --> 01:09:08.840 my life. And there's never been a morning where I 1164 01:09:08.840 --> 01:09:11.479 didn't want to go to work. And that's the that's 1165 01:09:11.520 --> 01:09:14.960 the thing. I'm fighting for something meaningful. And that's what's 1166 01:09:15.000 --> 01:09:18.359 interesting is my colleague Adam's Roots, was in America recently 1167 01:09:18.399 --> 01:09:20.159 and he was talking to a lot of Americans and 1168 01:09:20.199 --> 01:09:22.239 he just came back and he told me a lot 1169 01:09:22.279 --> 01:09:24.800 of them are a lot more pessimistic about the future 1170 01:09:24.840 --> 01:09:29.439 than us. And I'm like, well, there's your insight. Let 1171 01:09:29.520 --> 01:09:31.640 that stew a little bit at the back of your mind. 1172 01:09:31.720 --> 01:09:34.079 Think about the fact that the Americans are more black 1173 01:09:34.119 --> 01:09:37.560 palled about the future than the South Africans or the Afrikaners. 1174 01:09:37.640 --> 01:09:41.079 I mean, yoh man, but there's the lesson. That's what 1175 01:09:41.119 --> 01:09:43.319 you did. Then you, as an American need to ask 1176 01:09:43.359 --> 01:09:46.600 the question, what can I learn from the Africanas or 1177 01:09:46.600 --> 01:09:49.399 from South Africa that can make me as optimistic about 1178 01:09:49.399 --> 01:09:51.760 the future as these oaks living there at the southern 1179 01:09:51.760 --> 01:09:55.399 tip of Africa and a dysfunctional, dedeveloping country, in a 1180 01:09:55.439 --> 01:10:00.079 shithole country, How can I get the same type of 1181 01:10:00.119 --> 01:10:03.439 meaning and optimism in my life? And that's the I 1182 01:10:03.520 --> 01:10:06.439 touched on this in my piece for IM seventeen seventy six, 1183 01:10:06.479 --> 01:10:09.800 But it's it's a lot more than that. And the 1184 01:10:10.159 --> 01:10:12.600 big the big thing that I can can tell you 1185 01:10:13.319 --> 01:10:16.840 is the fact that you firstly need to start getting 1186 01:10:17.000 --> 01:10:19.399 active in your community around you. And I think that's 1187 01:10:19.439 --> 01:10:23.239 where a lot of the satisfaction is coming to for Africanas. 1188 01:10:23.279 --> 01:10:27.359 When you're living in difficult times, all these opportunities start 1189 01:10:27.399 --> 01:10:32.000 presenting themselves out of necessity. People start doing neighborhood watches 1190 01:10:32.039 --> 01:10:35.680 out of necessity, people start getting involved in community based 1191 01:10:35.800 --> 01:10:40.039 organizations out of necessity. It's not just a hobby. Unfortunately, 1192 01:10:40.199 --> 01:10:44.119 in a lot of First world countries where self Africanization 1193 01:10:44.279 --> 01:10:47.039 is a real reality, you're not going to start seeing 1194 01:10:47.079 --> 01:10:49.800 people do what the Afrikaners are doing until things get 1195 01:10:49.840 --> 01:10:52.479 a lot worse, until they have to start doing things 1196 01:10:52.479 --> 01:10:56.720 out of necessity. Your neighborhood watch can't just be your hobby. 1197 01:10:56.760 --> 01:10:58.920 It needs to be something that you're doing because you 1198 01:10:59.039 --> 01:11:02.159 need to. That's when it comes a real meaningful thing. 1199 01:11:03.000 --> 01:11:06.640 It's not just people driving around having beers and shooting 1200 01:11:07.239 --> 01:11:10.399 guns in the air. Then it's you're actually protecting something 1201 01:11:10.439 --> 01:11:12.720 your love and you're doing something that you know is 1202 01:11:12.760 --> 01:11:15.840 bigger than your Sti're participating in something bigger than yourself. 1203 01:11:15.840 --> 01:11:17.840 And that's the white Paul that I want people to 1204 01:11:17.880 --> 01:11:20.760 take from South Africas. Don't I see a lot of 1205 01:11:20.840 --> 01:11:24.039 especially young people like Zoomers in the First World in 1206 01:11:24.119 --> 01:11:27.520 America and Europe looking around and thinking where all these 1207 01:11:27.560 --> 01:11:32.079 great heroes? The history is full of all these great 1208 01:11:32.119 --> 01:11:34.439 men and great heroes and people that I admire. But 1209 01:11:34.479 --> 01:11:37.800 when I look around, I don't see any people like that. Well, 1210 01:11:37.880 --> 01:11:39.960 let me give you the white Paul from living in 1211 01:11:40.000 --> 01:11:43.399 a de developing country like South Africa. When things start 1212 01:11:43.439 --> 01:11:45.800 getting really rough, when you know that adage of good 1213 01:11:45.840 --> 01:11:49.239 times and bad times and all that dynamic works in 1214 01:11:49.319 --> 01:11:52.119 good times, there's no heroes in good times, there's no 1215 01:11:52.279 --> 01:11:55.039 great men around you. Everything is just you're going to 1216 01:11:55.119 --> 01:11:57.720 be struggling to find great men around you. But when 1217 01:11:57.800 --> 01:12:00.239 hard times hit, they're going to be a dime does 1218 01:12:00.279 --> 01:12:02.079 and they're going to be around you everywhere, and they're 1219 01:12:02.119 --> 01:12:06.199 going to be emerging organically out of the communities around you. 1220 01:12:06.920 --> 01:12:10.159 None of the great leaders that I've encountered in South Africa, 1221 01:12:10.520 --> 01:12:16.359 in my community and from other communities were educated in 1222 01:12:16.439 --> 01:12:19.399 hard to be great men or leaders. They were made 1223 01:12:19.720 --> 01:12:24.640 great leaders and great men through the difficult circumstances. So 1224 01:12:24.760 --> 01:12:28.319 that would be the silver lining as you enter maybe 1225 01:12:28.399 --> 01:12:31.680 hard times, if you can't change the trajectory of your country, 1226 01:12:32.119 --> 01:12:35.199 at least you will start seeing times of great men 1227 01:12:35.239 --> 01:12:38.159 and great leaders once again, and you will have great 1228 01:12:38.239 --> 01:12:40.720 stories and you will have ample opportunity to live a 1229 01:12:40.760 --> 01:12:42.600 great life. And that's one of the things I said 1230 01:12:42.600 --> 01:12:47.439 in that peace of mind, where the benefit of living 1231 01:12:47.479 --> 01:12:50.199 in good times is that you have ample opportunity to 1232 01:12:50.239 --> 01:12:52.960 live a comfortable life. But the benefit of living in 1233 01:12:53.520 --> 01:12:56.279 hard times and bad times is that you have ample 1234 01:12:56.279 --> 01:13:00.439 opportunity to live a great, meaningful life. That's what I 1235 01:13:00.479 --> 01:13:03.560 want people to take from it is that. But you 1236 01:13:04.039 --> 01:13:07.119 also need to start working now. Prevention is a lot 1237 01:13:07.159 --> 01:13:10.000 better than cure. I mean, who would ever forego the 1238 01:13:10.079 --> 01:13:12.920 opportunity to look into the future for free and as 1239 01:13:12.960 --> 01:13:19.079 my colleague in the Solidata date Bevejungo movement flipbase is 1240 01:13:19.279 --> 01:13:21.560 when he talks about South Africa, he says, in some 1241 01:13:21.960 --> 01:13:25.760 provinces in South Africa, the future has already happened. For example, 1242 01:13:25.840 --> 01:13:29.840 the province where I live, Haating, the future has already happened. 1243 01:13:29.880 --> 01:13:32.239 The province where Rob is living, the Western Cape, the 1244 01:13:32.239 --> 01:13:34.560 future is yet to happen. But I would like to 1245 01:13:34.640 --> 01:13:37.199 use that. I would like to expand that concept on 1246 01:13:37.239 --> 01:13:40.039 a global level, where in South Africa the future has 1247 01:13:40.079 --> 01:13:43.000 already happened, and in America and in Europe the futures 1248 01:13:43.079 --> 01:13:47.319 yet to arrive. So why would you if you were 1249 01:13:47.359 --> 01:13:51.039 able to see the tsunami or the shockwave coming, why 1250 01:13:51.359 --> 01:13:54.479 would you already then start building damn walls and to 1251 01:13:54.520 --> 01:13:58.319 start building defenses and start digging in. If you could 1252 01:13:58.399 --> 01:14:01.439 have that foresight, I think that would be my call 1253 01:14:01.520 --> 01:14:03.960 to action to people on the outside looking into South 1254 01:14:04.000 --> 01:14:06.840 Africa's you better start taking notes now. And it's always 1255 01:14:06.840 --> 01:14:09.279 better to be prepared then to let the ship hit 1256 01:14:09.279 --> 01:14:11.840 the fan and then you have to scramble for solutions. 1257 01:14:12.279 --> 01:14:14.600 That's the situation that Africanas were in at the end 1258 01:14:14.640 --> 01:14:16.399 of a parthate. I mean, this is what we were talking 1259 01:14:16.439 --> 01:14:18.920 about off air, going back to a previous theme, but 1260 01:14:18.960 --> 01:14:21.800 it does, it does come back. It circles back to 1261 01:14:21.800 --> 01:14:25.640 what I'm talking about now. During a part that Africanas 1262 01:14:25.680 --> 01:14:28.840 were just dependent on, the state became became just animal 1263 01:14:29.079 --> 01:14:32.319 state statist animals where you if you need a job, 1264 01:14:32.359 --> 01:14:34.359 you work for the state. The state looks after we 1265 01:14:34.880 --> 01:14:38.159 gave up all our responsibilities to the state. The state 1266 01:14:38.600 --> 01:14:41.079 preserves your culture for you. The state keeps you safe 1267 01:14:41.119 --> 01:14:46.279 through security, The state propagates you and protects your language. 1268 01:14:47.079 --> 01:14:50.399 And then suddenly one day that state changed hands and 1269 01:14:50.439 --> 01:14:53.399 then the state wasn't in control of Africanas anymore. And 1270 01:14:53.439 --> 01:14:56.159 then suddenly we had to learn everything from scratch. Like 1271 01:14:56.199 --> 01:14:59.279 a muscle that hadn't been used for years, it atrified. 1272 01:15:00.000 --> 01:15:03.960 So basically you just ended up having to start building 1273 01:15:04.000 --> 01:15:07.399 again from scratch. And that's the other thing that I 1274 01:15:07.399 --> 01:15:10.359 think another warning from South Africa is don't be tempted 1275 01:15:10.359 --> 01:15:14.439 by the false song. If we were just in charge 1276 01:15:14.479 --> 01:15:16.800 of the state and of the government, then things would 1277 01:15:16.840 --> 01:15:18.880 be or would be fine. No, no, no, no, you 1278 01:15:18.920 --> 01:15:20.960 have to start thinking outside of that. You have to 1279 01:15:21.000 --> 01:15:24.359 start thinking about a different alternative. You can't just think 1280 01:15:24.399 --> 01:15:27.199 about the next election. You have to start thinking about 1281 01:15:27.199 --> 01:15:30.800 the next generation, about planting trees for under which you 1282 01:15:30.840 --> 01:15:33.840 will never be never be able to sit. You can't 1283 01:15:33.880 --> 01:15:36.079 just think about if we just win the next election 1284 01:15:36.159 --> 01:15:38.359 and everything will be different, everything will be fine. And 1285 01:15:38.439 --> 01:15:42.000 trust me, it won't. It won't change a lot. Actually, 1286 01:15:43.039 --> 01:15:45.439 but I see a lot of Americans and Europeans waking 1287 01:15:45.520 --> 01:15:48.359 up to that reality. You're going to have to start 1288 01:15:48.399 --> 01:15:52.600 being the solution yourself. Don't wait for a night or 1289 01:15:52.640 --> 01:15:56.399 a hero on a white horse to appear on the horizon. 1290 01:15:57.279 --> 01:15:59.960 That horse isn't coming. You're going to have to start 1291 01:16:00.439 --> 01:16:02.520 doing that yourself. You're going to have to be the 1292 01:16:02.560 --> 01:16:05.720 hero in your own capacity. And that's I can speak 1293 01:16:05.760 --> 01:16:10.239 from experience of living in hard times in the future. 1294 01:16:10.359 --> 01:16:13.399 I'm speaking to you through a time portal from the futures. 1295 01:16:13.479 --> 01:16:16.720 Like in hard times, you get the opportunity to be 1296 01:16:16.880 --> 01:16:19.119 that hero on the white horse, you don't. You don't 1297 01:16:19.159 --> 01:16:21.399 wait for for that person, because if you're going to 1298 01:16:21.520 --> 01:16:23.920 die waiting, so you better start doing it now. You 1299 01:16:23.960 --> 01:16:28.520 better start in the worst thing. I think one of 1300 01:16:28.119 --> 01:16:33.279 the biggest people always talk about, like reshuffling chairs on 1301 01:16:33.319 --> 01:16:37.319 the Titanic, whatever that metaphor is. But I think there's 1302 01:16:37.359 --> 01:16:39.920 a bigger lesson from the Titanic and the big the 1303 01:16:40.000 --> 01:16:43.640 big mistake. Big lesson you need to learn from the 1304 01:16:43.680 --> 01:16:47.319 story of the Titanic is that thousands of people died 1305 01:16:47.439 --> 01:16:50.479 because everyone trusted that everything was going to be okay 1306 01:16:50.560 --> 01:16:53.520 until the last second. Everyone until the last minute believed 1307 01:16:53.520 --> 01:16:55.600 the ship wasn't going to sink, and then the shit 1308 01:16:55.680 --> 01:16:59.359 hit the fan, and then in the last moments people 1309 01:16:59.399 --> 01:17:01.760 started realizing the ship was going to sink, and then 1310 01:17:01.800 --> 01:17:05.039 it was too late. You need to start realizing that 1311 01:17:05.119 --> 01:17:07.680 the system around you is not working and it is 1312 01:17:07.760 --> 01:17:10.560 grinding to a halt, and there's black smoke coming out 1313 01:17:10.600 --> 01:17:14.239 of the pipe of this of this machine, and you 1314 01:17:14.439 --> 01:17:17.039 better start building some life rafts now they're going They 1315 01:17:17.039 --> 01:17:19.479 don't have to be perfect. Perfect is the enemy of 1316 01:17:19.560 --> 01:17:24.479 the of good. Build adequate life raft net pragmatism, be 1317 01:17:24.560 --> 01:17:27.319 your be your guide when it comes to this, leave 1318 01:17:27.399 --> 01:17:31.520 the leave the utopian bullshit behind. Like I'm actually currently 1319 01:17:31.680 --> 01:17:35.039 working on a piece I'm going to title it Africa 1320 01:17:35.119 --> 01:17:40.680 No No Continent for the utopian ideas, where it's when 1321 01:17:40.720 --> 01:17:43.199 you're living in a first world country like the United States, 1322 01:17:43.239 --> 01:17:46.279 you have the luxury of having endless debates about theory 1323 01:17:46.279 --> 01:17:48.680 of like, what's that real liberalism? No, that was that 1324 01:17:48.720 --> 01:17:52.520 real communism? Is that real fascism? Whatever? You have that luxury. 1325 01:17:53.119 --> 01:17:55.720 Me and Robin South Africa, we don't have that luxury 1326 01:17:55.720 --> 01:17:59.239 of just endlessly debating theory. You we're kind of forced 1327 01:17:59.239 --> 01:18:02.479 to work in the the laboratory of pragmatism. You kind 1328 01:18:02.479 --> 01:18:05.279 of forced to work on real world solutions that work. 1329 01:18:05.640 --> 01:18:09.760 When the tire hits the road. You can tell me, 1330 01:18:09.920 --> 01:18:12.439 you can give me a million sources that prove that 1331 01:18:12.560 --> 01:18:16.039 this solution should work. It works on paper, and therefore 1332 01:18:16.079 --> 01:18:19.039 it should work in reality. But if we've tried it 1333 01:18:19.359 --> 01:18:22.479 ten fifteen times and failed in reality every time, we're 1334 01:18:22.479 --> 01:18:25.880 going to have to jettison that idea and try something new. 1335 01:18:26.600 --> 01:18:29.000 So I think, yeah, that's probably where I want to 1336 01:18:29.479 --> 01:18:32.640 end off. Is again just those the main lessons that 1337 01:18:33.239 --> 01:18:36.960 you should learn is the one thing is definitely you 1338 01:18:37.039 --> 01:18:40.800 need to start asking the right questions. I told this 1339 01:18:40.800 --> 01:18:43.239 to Alex Kashuda and me and Rob also were on 1340 01:18:43.279 --> 01:18:46.079 her show. The big problem with many people on the 1341 01:18:46.159 --> 01:18:49.079 right when it comes to South Africa is they're looking 1342 01:18:49.119 --> 01:18:51.760 at South Africa to learn the lessons that they want 1343 01:18:51.840 --> 01:18:54.079 to learn, not the lessons that they need to learn. 1344 01:18:54.399 --> 01:18:56.520 And you're going to have to learn the lessons that 1345 01:18:56.560 --> 01:18:58.720 you need to learn, not the lessons that you want 1346 01:18:58.760 --> 01:19:01.760 to learn. I think that's that's where I'm going to 1347 01:19:01.880 --> 01:19:04.039 end it. That's something to keep at the back of 1348 01:19:04.079 --> 01:19:05.119 your mind to think about. 1349 01:19:06.960 --> 01:19:07.159 Rob. 1350 01:19:07.159 --> 01:19:13.319 Do you have anything to say before we close it out? Yeah? Well, 1351 01:19:13.359 --> 01:19:17.960 I mean I'm not going to these high for ambitious 1352 01:19:17.960 --> 01:19:22.439 IDEs andism because it's just it doesn't suit my character. 1353 01:19:24.079 --> 01:19:26.800 But I'll put it this way. It's sort of you're 1354 01:19:26.840 --> 01:19:28.520 going to look around here and realize there's no one 1355 01:19:28.720 --> 01:19:31.399 who's going to come to save you, and maybe you 1356 01:19:31.439 --> 01:19:34.079 can you can sort of content yourself for a little 1357 01:19:34.199 --> 01:19:38.239 while that. Yeah, well, the collapse is coming maybe ten, fifteen, 1358 01:19:38.319 --> 01:19:41.840 twenty fifty years alown the road. Things are fine for now, 1359 01:19:42.800 --> 01:19:45.880 but you know, I think things are looking pretty dire, 1360 01:19:46.000 --> 01:19:48.920 and I think people need to start moving. And if 1361 01:19:48.960 --> 01:19:52.279 you don't see anyone around who you can hit, you know, 1362 01:19:52.359 --> 01:19:54.840 your trailer too, you can ride on their coattails. Then 1363 01:19:54.880 --> 01:19:57.239 you're going to have to beat the path of yourself 1364 01:19:58.039 --> 01:19:59.279 and it's going to suck and you're not going to 1365 01:19:59.319 --> 01:20:02.720 be very good at it, and you're probably going to fail, 1366 01:20:02.760 --> 01:20:04.439 and you're probably going to sappoint a lot of people. 1367 01:20:04.479 --> 01:20:06.119 But you know, if there's no one else, there's no 1368 01:20:06.159 --> 01:20:09.279 one else, So you've got to do it. I'm not 1369 01:20:09.319 --> 01:20:11.520 the guy who's going to trash the idea of getting 1370 01:20:12.079 --> 01:20:14.159 going into politics, because the one thing about the worst 1371 01:20:14.279 --> 01:20:16.960 is you still do have a political system where we 1372 01:20:17.000 --> 01:20:20.279 don't have a state. We're a minority that doesn't have 1373 01:20:20.359 --> 01:20:26.439 real representation for the most part, and you know, we've 1374 01:20:26.439 --> 01:20:28.279 got to accept that and work with it. You know, 1375 01:20:28.359 --> 01:20:34.319 our times as you know, people with a state with 1376 01:20:34.479 --> 01:20:38.640 a future sort of it's long over and now we're 1377 01:20:38.760 --> 01:20:41.800 sort of, you know, thinking like moles burrowing into the hills, 1378 01:20:42.239 --> 01:20:44.000 and you don't want to end up in that situation. 1379 01:20:45.039 --> 01:20:48.760 And so you've got a little window of time. It 1380 01:20:48.760 --> 01:20:50.640 doesn't feel like a little window, but it is a 1381 01:20:50.680 --> 01:20:53.840 little window, and you know, use it if you can. 1382 01:20:54.000 --> 01:20:57.680 I think whatever tools are available, those are the ones 1383 01:20:57.680 --> 01:20:59.840 that should that should be used. And I think people 1384 01:20:59.840 --> 01:21:03.640 should act with conviction because a lot of the time 1385 01:21:03.680 --> 01:21:05.840 people sat and are satisfied with us. I think the 1386 01:21:05.920 --> 01:21:09.239 big thing that lives in the West I think there 1387 01:21:09.239 --> 01:21:14.680 are two things. When people get sucked into the narcissistic idea, 1388 01:21:14.680 --> 01:21:18.880 if they just want people to see how their perspective 1389 01:21:18.960 --> 01:21:21.880 and then they're happy sort of like see everything screwed, 1390 01:21:22.000 --> 01:21:23.760 you know, and they'll blame it on Like it doesn't 1391 01:21:23.800 --> 01:21:26.640 matter what they're blaming on, whether it's you Jews or 1392 01:21:26.640 --> 01:21:30.199 oligarchs or you know, foreigners that left. How do you 1393 01:21:30.239 --> 01:21:33.279 want to frame the causes and what have you the situation? 1394 01:21:33.399 --> 01:21:36.560 How do you defern people just want them to just 1395 01:21:36.640 --> 01:21:39.880 want to affirm their picture of things and then move on. 1396 01:21:41.399 --> 01:21:43.079 I mean a good example of that for me, you 1397 01:21:43.119 --> 01:21:49.199 would be the Dutch Party Foreign for Democracy, who, yeah, 1398 01:21:49.279 --> 01:21:55.960 their leaders a very ineffective historyonic narcissist who despite sounding 1399 01:21:56.079 --> 01:21:59.720 very based on television, doesn't really do much to further 1400 01:21:59.720 --> 01:22:04.279 the cause and has actually been mostly the cause of 1401 01:22:03.640 --> 01:22:06.680 the right in the Netherlands sort of collapsing on its 1402 01:22:06.680 --> 01:22:09.720 own under its own way, and it happens a lot. 1403 01:22:09.800 --> 01:22:12.920 The other thing is that people get satisfied with small victories. 1404 01:22:13.399 --> 01:22:15.239 You'll win an election and then you just sort of 1405 01:22:15.239 --> 01:22:19.560 sit there say haha, we're on top. Now it looks okay. 1406 01:22:19.960 --> 01:22:23.039 Donald Trump, he gets in charge, how much did he 1407 01:22:23.119 --> 01:22:27.239 really do to clear up, to drain the swamp and 1408 01:22:27.279 --> 01:22:30.279 clear up the people in charge? Well not that much. 1409 01:22:30.279 --> 01:22:34.439 As it turns out. Boris Johnson wins the biggest lead 1410 01:22:34.479 --> 01:22:37.840 that the Conservatives have since, you know, for a bloody 1411 01:22:37.880 --> 01:22:39.840 long time. What does he do with that lead? He 1412 01:22:39.880 --> 01:22:44.039 does nothing. You know, we're now look at Georgia Maloney 1413 01:22:44.079 --> 01:22:46.720 in Italy. Everyone's getting all excited and dewey eyed and 1414 01:22:46.800 --> 01:22:50.279 you know, firm in the trousers. But you know it 1415 01:22:50.439 --> 01:22:52.600 remains to be seen if she's going to do anything. 1416 01:22:54.039 --> 01:22:56.960 And I think those things are important. You know, it's 1417 01:22:57.000 --> 01:23:00.319 this is politics. Isn't a stage show. I mean it 1418 01:23:00.319 --> 01:23:03.199 does involve a little bit of theatrics, but the functional 1419 01:23:03.239 --> 01:23:06.239 point is to transform your society or to defend it, 1420 01:23:07.319 --> 01:23:11.119 and you know people need to take that seriously. And 1421 01:23:11.479 --> 01:23:15.520 the other thing is again, I mean, I know as 1422 01:23:15.560 --> 01:23:19.640 has picked up on non state solutions, but you know 1423 01:23:19.640 --> 01:23:21.880 in South Africa it's much more tangible. It's like you 1424 01:23:22.000 --> 01:23:23.920 have to provide all of this, all of the state 1425 01:23:23.960 --> 01:23:25.800 functions yourself in many areas. 1426 01:23:25.560 --> 01:23:27.560 Because the state is collapsing around you. 1427 01:23:28.159 --> 01:23:29.239 Correct, but how do you think? 1428 01:23:30.119 --> 01:23:32.399 Honestly, you don't even have to ask permission because the 1429 01:23:32.439 --> 01:23:36.000 state can't do anything to stop you, right, And how 1430 01:23:36.000 --> 01:23:36.279 do you. 1431 01:23:36.239 --> 01:23:37.920 Think about this if you have a state, if you 1432 01:23:37.960 --> 01:23:41.000 have a civil society, I mean here in the Western Cape, 1433 01:23:41.000 --> 01:23:42.960 it's sort of like a limbo zone where you can 1434 01:23:43.119 --> 01:23:47.000 you can, you can see the can, you can see 1435 01:23:47.039 --> 01:23:50.520 the mud slide approaching you, and you don't know if 1436 01:23:50.520 --> 01:23:54.359 your heart is going to be swept away. But you're 1437 01:23:54.399 --> 01:23:57.399 also aware that things are still a long way off, 1438 01:23:57.640 --> 01:24:00.079 or at least far enough off the you know, so 1439 01:24:00.840 --> 01:24:02.439 if you wanted to, you could park off and have 1440 01:24:02.479 --> 01:24:06.479 a holiday, you know, but it's still coming. And then 1441 01:24:06.520 --> 01:24:08.960 you've got the first world where everything it's easy to 1442 01:24:08.960 --> 01:24:11.520 be lolled into a false sense of security. But what 1443 01:24:11.640 --> 01:24:13.960 have you got around you? You haven't got these sort 1444 01:24:13.960 --> 01:24:16.520 of gaps where there are obvious sort of solutions where 1445 01:24:16.520 --> 01:24:20.039 you can editize. I mean, even as organization that he 1446 01:24:20.119 --> 01:24:24.039 works for, Afri Forum, the big thing that they actually got, well, 1447 01:24:24.079 --> 01:24:25.960 one of the bigger things that they got famous for 1448 01:24:26.000 --> 01:24:28.520 when they were sort of a bit smaller, was fixing 1449 01:24:28.560 --> 01:24:32.279 potholes in the roads. But in my province we have 1450 01:24:32.439 --> 01:24:37.920 a sort of liberal mostly minority government and ethnic minority government. 1451 01:24:38.479 --> 01:24:40.760 Who are you know, they're pretty good at keeping the 1452 01:24:40.840 --> 01:24:43.960 roads paved. So then you know, what, what's your process 1453 01:24:43.960 --> 01:24:47.680 for appeal to build your organizational structure, it's got to 1454 01:24:47.760 --> 01:24:49.399 be a bit different. You've got to focus on like 1455 01:24:49.439 --> 01:24:54.479 cultural items and sort of labor issues and funny things 1456 01:24:54.520 --> 01:24:55.960 like that. And in Europe it's going to be very 1457 01:24:55.960 --> 01:24:58.680 difficult because you really, you know, there's lots of infiltrators. 1458 01:24:58.680 --> 01:25:04.159 It's not like over here, and I think you're going 1459 01:25:04.199 --> 01:25:06.760 to have to build infrastructure outside the state. You're gonna 1460 01:25:06.760 --> 01:25:09.680 build networks, You've gotta build. I mean, I don't want 1461 01:25:09.720 --> 01:25:14.399 to teach anyone to suck eggs, but I think I 1462 01:25:14.399 --> 01:25:16.560 think the thing is that it's actually kind of in 1463 01:25:16.600 --> 01:25:18.600 a funny way, it's easier when the problem is very 1464 01:25:18.600 --> 01:25:22.119 immediate because everyone can see it. When it's a nebulous 1465 01:25:22.199 --> 01:25:24.119 like it is in Europe, you've got to get really creative. 1466 01:25:24.119 --> 01:25:27.520 And I don't. I sort of I feel very nervous 1467 01:25:27.520 --> 01:25:31.000 when I look at Europe because that's a place where 1468 01:25:31.039 --> 01:25:35.119 if it falls apart, it will fall apart rapidly, and 1469 01:25:35.399 --> 01:25:36.960 there's not a lot you can do to stop it 1470 01:25:37.000 --> 01:25:40.319 once it gets past the point of my return. 1471 01:25:41.039 --> 01:25:44.039 So it's like the difference between a house of cards 1472 01:25:44.079 --> 01:25:46.319 made out of two cards and a house of cards 1473 01:25:46.319 --> 01:25:48.279 made out of a hundred cards collapsing. 1474 01:25:49.239 --> 01:25:53.600 I think that's a good analogy. Yeah yeah, so yeah, 1475 01:25:53.600 --> 01:25:55.439 ours there is a house of cards of two cards, 1476 01:25:55.640 --> 01:25:58.279 like you just knock one. Oh wow, it's fallen over. Well, 1477 01:25:58.319 --> 01:26:00.199 let's just put it up a little bit, you know. 1478 01:26:01.720 --> 01:26:02.800 But you know you're in Europe. 1479 01:26:02.800 --> 01:26:04.640 You've got like it and it's cut off card and 1480 01:26:04.680 --> 01:26:06.880 build a little little structure within. 1481 01:26:07.680 --> 01:26:10.319 When that thing falls, you know it's going to it's 1482 01:26:10.479 --> 01:26:12.520 it's not just going it's not just going to be 1483 01:26:12.560 --> 01:26:16.880 a sort of you know, an elegant arrangement. It's going 1484 01:26:16.960 --> 01:26:23.600 to be horribly brutal, you know. I mean, I don't know, 1485 01:26:23.640 --> 01:26:25.359 I don't know what people are looking forward to at 1486 01:26:25.399 --> 01:26:28.119 the moment there. But my point is you have nowhere 1487 01:26:28.159 --> 01:26:32.000 to run to, so you know you've got to do something. 1488 01:26:32.479 --> 01:26:34.960 I don't know, I don't know what people do. They're 1489 01:26:35.000 --> 01:26:40.680 going to do something because you know, it's your future, 1490 01:26:41.319 --> 01:26:44.279 it's place, it's your it's your parture, you know. I mean, 1491 01:26:45.079 --> 01:26:45.800 we've been here long. 1492 01:26:45.840 --> 01:26:49.359 And the other thing is that you should abandoned this 1493 01:26:49.359 --> 01:26:51.920 this idea of well things get bad I'll just move 1494 01:26:51.960 --> 01:26:53.760 to a different state, or I'll just move to a 1495 01:26:53.760 --> 01:27:00.800 different country. Eventually, tide you run out of the higher 1496 01:27:00.840 --> 01:27:03.000 ground to lead to Eventually you're going to drown. 1497 01:27:03.760 --> 01:27:05.000 Yeah, but like you can't. 1498 01:27:05.000 --> 01:27:06.399 I mean, what are you going to do. 1499 01:27:06.439 --> 01:27:09.119 You're going to be some derascinated expert floating around the 1500 01:27:09.159 --> 01:27:12.800 Middle East or East Southeast Asia, you know. I mean, 1501 01:27:12.840 --> 01:27:16.560 it's like, that's not a sustainable that's not a sustainable 1502 01:27:16.560 --> 01:27:20.960 model for any community. I don't see I don't see 1503 01:27:21.159 --> 01:27:23.359 that as being I don't see that as being like 1504 01:27:23.399 --> 01:27:25.479 a future anyone wants to be a part of. I mean, 1505 01:27:25.479 --> 01:27:27.640 it certainly can be a future that people end up in, 1506 01:27:29.600 --> 01:27:31.760 and it can be fun, you know, up to up 1507 01:27:31.760 --> 01:27:36.039 to a point, but you know, collectively, that's not that's 1508 01:27:36.079 --> 01:27:38.920 not a future anyone should be designing. So you know, 1509 01:27:38.960 --> 01:27:40.680 you're going to pick what you end up as much 1510 01:27:40.720 --> 01:27:42.840 as you can. And I mean, then at least you know, 1511 01:27:42.840 --> 01:27:45.039 if you fail, you can at least you know you 1512 01:27:45.079 --> 01:27:47.960 can go out saying, well, you know, I did my part, 1513 01:27:48.199 --> 01:27:50.279 I've done my duty. I'm not going to feel ashamed 1514 01:27:50.279 --> 01:27:52.760 of myself. At the very least, you know, you don't 1515 01:27:52.760 --> 01:27:55.159 want to be it's it's it's the equivalent of going 1516 01:27:55.199 --> 01:27:59.760 to your your mother's funeral and not having parted on 1517 01:27:59.800 --> 01:28:03.479 good good terms. You know, you've got to do your 1518 01:28:03.520 --> 01:28:05.439 you've got to do your heritage, you've got to do 1519 01:28:05.520 --> 01:28:11.079 your future a good term so that you can rested 1520 01:28:11.119 --> 01:28:12.039 lease a little bit easy. 1521 01:28:12.439 --> 01:28:17.279 I think, well, let's end up there, give your plugs 1522 01:28:17.319 --> 01:28:20.279 any anything you want, anything you want. 1523 01:28:20.119 --> 01:28:21.960 To so my plugs are not going to work seeing 1524 01:28:21.960 --> 01:28:24.399 as it's a rolling black art and there's no electricity. 1525 01:28:24.479 --> 01:28:28.800 But now I'll keep it simple and short. If people 1526 01:28:28.920 --> 01:28:34.039 like want to explore more of these types of ideas 1527 01:28:34.039 --> 01:28:36.960 and about and follow a channel and a commentator that 1528 01:28:37.520 --> 01:28:42.479 specifically focuses on culture and politics in Southern Africa, you 1529 01:28:42.479 --> 01:28:46.399 can go to my YouTube channel, a Conscious Caricle, or 1530 01:28:46.439 --> 01:28:51.119 you can follow me on Twitter also Conscious Carical. One 1531 01:28:51.159 --> 01:28:53.000 of the jokes always and people ask me like, how 1532 01:28:53.039 --> 01:28:55.560 did you choose your username? What was your plan with 1533 01:28:56.000 --> 01:28:58.119 your whole brand? I'm like, if I if I had 1534 01:28:58.159 --> 01:29:00.199 a plan from the beginning and thought that I'll was 1535 01:29:00.239 --> 01:29:02.840 going to gain an audience at all, I would have 1536 01:29:02.920 --> 01:29:07.119 chosen the easier name to spell and plug. But if 1537 01:29:07.159 --> 01:29:09.600 you really want to, if you need it, spelled art 1538 01:29:09.760 --> 01:29:13.479 on on Twitter, I'm at C O N C A 1539 01:29:14.000 --> 01:29:18.760 R A C A L or just conscious character for 1540 01:29:18.840 --> 01:29:21.119 those that can that can go type it in. And 1541 01:29:21.159 --> 01:29:24.880 then also you can just so check out my YouTube 1542 01:29:24.920 --> 01:29:27.920 and my Twitter and then from there you'll find everything else. 1543 01:29:28.760 --> 01:29:30.039 And that's that's about it. 1544 01:29:30.840 --> 01:29:35.159 Right, Yeah, Well, I have a I have a blog, 1545 01:29:35.680 --> 01:29:38.439 and I have a Twitter handle, and I have a 1546 01:29:38.439 --> 01:29:41.479 YouTube channel, but I don't update the YouTube channel very much, 1547 01:29:41.479 --> 01:29:43.800 and my blog is also sporadic. It depends on what 1548 01:29:43.840 --> 01:29:47.079 I'm working on in my professional capacity. I'm not the 1549 01:29:47.239 --> 01:29:50.640 most organized person. So if I've got any if I'm 1550 01:29:50.800 --> 01:29:54.079 if I'm even marginally busy in my professional life, I don't. 1551 01:29:54.239 --> 01:29:55.760 I don't do any of this stuff on the side. 1552 01:29:55.800 --> 01:29:59.640 But I do have a sort of mostly completed documentary 1553 01:29:59.640 --> 01:30:01.880 series so African History that I made on my YouTube 1554 01:30:01.960 --> 01:30:05.600 channel that was really good. That's Marl Barney. That's m 1555 01:30:05.720 --> 01:30:11.319 A R H O B A n E. And then 1556 01:30:11.399 --> 01:30:13.680 I mean there's like a few sort of like essays 1557 01:30:13.680 --> 01:30:15.319 which I read out and took questions on on that 1558 01:30:15.640 --> 01:30:22.159 channel as well. And then my my substack has a 1559 01:30:22.159 --> 01:30:27.640 whole bunch of stuff varying from you know, like meditative, 1560 01:30:27.800 --> 01:30:30.880 you know, reflections on sort of literature and philosophy and 1561 01:30:31.039 --> 01:30:36.920 history and stuff and politics and electoral politics and coach. Yeah, 1562 01:30:37.039 --> 01:30:39.319 all that kind of stuff. Mostly centered on CI Africa, 1563 01:30:39.359 --> 01:30:45.359 but a casey global politics. Also Marl Banni at substack 1564 01:30:45.800 --> 01:30:48.319 and then now on Twitter, I'm under my own name, 1565 01:30:49.279 --> 01:30:53.880 I mean the handles at Marl Barney, but the the 1566 01:30:53.960 --> 01:30:56.199 name of the account is my name, Robert Dagens d 1567 01:30:56.399 --> 01:30:58.960 U I G A N. There's only one of me 1568 01:30:59.000 --> 01:31:05.319 because it's a fairly unusual little Irish surname. And yeah, 1569 01:31:05.359 --> 01:31:07.279 so you can check that out if you really want 1570 01:31:07.319 --> 01:31:09.800 to and hopefully find it interesting. 1571 01:31:12.359 --> 01:31:14.800 For more context on the I think what I was 1572 01:31:14.840 --> 01:31:16.800 talking about on the show, you can go read my 1573 01:31:16.960 --> 01:31:20.439 im seventeen seventy six piece A Time to Dig Trenches. 1574 01:31:20.479 --> 01:31:22.520 I think that I'll give you a lot more in depth, 1575 01:31:22.760 --> 01:31:24.640 nuanced than what we were able to fit in an 1576 01:31:24.680 --> 01:31:26.640 A and of sure I. 1577 01:31:26.640 --> 01:31:28.439 Will make sure to link to all of that so 1578 01:31:28.479 --> 01:31:33.560 that people can get easy access. So man, thank you 1579 01:31:33.680 --> 01:31:35.399 very much. I really appreciate it. 1580 01:31:36.159 --> 01:31:39.039 All right, thank you, cheers walk well, God bless. 1581 01:31:40.359 --> 01:31:41.920 I want to welcome everyone back to the Peak and 1582 01:31:41.960 --> 01:31:45.079 Yona show. I am pleased today to be talking to 1583 01:31:45.119 --> 01:31:48.000 mister Simon Roche. Is it how do we pronounce your name? 1584 01:31:48.079 --> 01:31:52.279 Is it roach? Everybody says Roch or roach, but technically 1585 01:31:52.359 --> 01:31:56.520 it's Rosch. It's a French word that means stone. A rush. 1586 01:31:56.880 --> 01:31:59.560 Sounds good to me. Welcome to the show. Tell everybody 1587 01:31:59.560 --> 01:32:01.000 a little bit of yourself. 1588 01:32:01.359 --> 01:32:05.560 And thank you very much for having us Pete. My 1589 01:32:05.680 --> 01:32:10.000 name is Simon Rosch. I represent an organization called Southlanders. 1590 01:32:11.239 --> 01:32:15.600 The first vowel sound is a bit tricky. It's Sui 1591 01:32:16.000 --> 01:32:24.000 d Landers, Sui d Landers and Southlanders means Southlanders or 1592 01:32:24.079 --> 01:32:28.159 Southern as if you prefer. And Southlanders is a civil 1593 01:32:28.199 --> 01:32:35.359 defense organization constituted as such under international law. South African 1594 01:32:35.479 --> 01:32:45.279 organization dedicated to the planning and preparation of a national 1595 01:32:45.359 --> 01:32:49.319 emergency plan in the event of a civil war in 1596 01:32:49.439 --> 01:32:54.279 South Africa, which sounds very extreme and dramatic until you 1597 01:32:54.399 --> 01:33:00.600 consider the I suppose the background. South afric occurs an 1598 01:33:00.680 --> 01:33:04.079 unstable country, as it's proven over the past thirty years, 1599 01:33:05.119 --> 01:33:08.560 and we happen to be those people who believe that 1600 01:33:08.640 --> 01:33:14.239 the trajectory like a ball sailing through the air of 1601 01:33:14.279 --> 01:33:17.000 South Africa is quite clear. We're headed for some sort 1602 01:33:17.039 --> 01:33:21.079 of a collision, a crisis. The country can't go forever 1603 01:33:21.159 --> 01:33:25.199 the way it has been going under anc rule for 1604 01:33:25.680 --> 01:33:28.680 almost the past thirty years, since the twenty seventh of 1605 01:33:28.720 --> 01:33:35.199 April nineteen ninety four, without eventually some crisis emerging. So 1606 01:33:35.239 --> 01:33:39.399 we're a civil defense organization constituted under the specific provisions 1607 01:33:39.439 --> 01:33:44.479 of international law, particularly but not only, the Jeevan Geneva Conventions. 1608 01:33:44.479 --> 01:33:48.760 The protocol are known as the protocols additional to the 1609 01:33:48.760 --> 01:33:54.840 Geneva Conventions, which make specific provision, very specific provision for 1610 01:33:55.079 --> 01:34:01.359 identifiable ethnic groups to prepare to defend themselves in the 1611 01:34:01.439 --> 01:34:04.119 event of a calamity in their country, whether that be 1612 01:34:04.479 --> 01:34:10.000 a civil war or an international war, whatever the case 1613 01:34:10.039 --> 01:34:12.159 may be. And so we're just those people. Were the 1614 01:34:12.239 --> 01:34:15.640 largest organization of our sort in the world, and if 1615 01:34:15.640 --> 01:34:18.520 anybody has an interest, they welcome to visit State Lounders 1616 01:34:18.840 --> 01:34:27.760 s u id landers dot org the largest organization of 1617 01:34:27.840 --> 01:34:33.079 our sort in the world. And I represent the organization. 1618 01:34:33.159 --> 01:34:36.119 I'm a salaried employee, I'm paid to do the work 1619 01:34:36.199 --> 01:34:38.600 that I do, and I'm presently in the United States 1620 01:34:39.319 --> 01:34:43.399 spreading the word and endeavoring to raise funds for the 1621 01:34:43.399 --> 01:34:44.159 work that we do. 1622 01:34:45.840 --> 01:34:47.520 Well, I think a lot of the people who watch 1623 01:34:47.640 --> 01:34:53.119 the show are aware, at least, if not in depth, 1624 01:34:53.640 --> 01:34:56.359 have a cursory knowledge of everything that's going on in 1625 01:34:56.399 --> 01:35:01.840 South Africa and has been since what's known as apartheid ended. 1626 01:35:02.479 --> 01:35:07.119 But I would like you to start by doing an 1627 01:35:07.159 --> 01:35:11.239 overview of the history of South Africa. I think a 1628 01:35:11.239 --> 01:35:14.119 lot of people believe that South Africa is a place 1629 01:35:14.239 --> 01:35:21.720 where it was completely inhabited by indigenous Black Africans and 1630 01:35:21.800 --> 01:35:24.359 the white man came in and pushed them out or 1631 01:35:24.600 --> 01:35:31.159 enslaved them. And is that a proper narrative or is 1632 01:35:31.199 --> 01:35:34.479 that something that is just made up, like a lot 1633 01:35:34.520 --> 01:35:36.119 of the history we hear in the world. 1634 01:35:35.880 --> 01:35:41.760 Now, No, it's a gross exaggeration, Pete. The first permanent 1635 01:35:41.800 --> 01:35:46.000 settlement was established in South Africa in sixteen fifty two, 1636 01:35:47.399 --> 01:35:52.600 and at that time the whites the colonizers, They were Dutch. 1637 01:35:53.319 --> 01:35:58.079 The first permanent settlement was what is now known as 1638 01:35:58.159 --> 01:36:04.520 Cape Town. Well it was then as well, and those 1639 01:36:05.039 --> 01:36:09.279 people worked for the Dutch East India Company, and they 1640 01:36:09.399 --> 01:36:16.800 met Indigenous Africans, particularly the people known as Bushman. The 1641 01:36:16.840 --> 01:36:20.880 politically correct term for bushman is san but it's actually 1642 01:36:20.880 --> 01:36:24.880 a very nasty word. It's a black word for robber 1643 01:36:25.359 --> 01:36:33.600 or thief, so it's politically correct stupidity, really, the stupidity 1644 01:36:33.640 --> 01:36:37.680 of academics and elitists who can't speak a word of 1645 01:36:37.840 --> 01:36:45.680 an indigenous language, true to form. And the bushmen are 1646 01:36:45.760 --> 01:36:51.119 very small people, very scattered people, and there was kind 1647 01:36:51.119 --> 01:36:53.279 of a modus vivendi, you know that there was stealing 1648 01:36:53.359 --> 01:36:56.560 and reprisals and what have you. But the colonizers and 1649 01:36:56.600 --> 01:37:03.079 the bushmen coexisted because the region is very, very spacious. 1650 01:37:05.359 --> 01:37:08.720 About one hundred and twenty five years later, the then 1651 01:37:08.960 --> 01:37:14.520 commander of the fort at Cape Town got it into 1652 01:37:14.560 --> 01:37:18.640 his head to search out black people because he was 1653 01:37:18.680 --> 01:37:20.800 in Africa, you know what I mean. And all he'd 1654 01:37:20.800 --> 01:37:25.439 met was the little, yellow skinned, very petite bushmen who 1655 01:37:25.520 --> 01:37:32.520 lived in small family groups, very scattered, without much without 1656 01:37:32.560 --> 01:37:40.960 any governance of any description whatsoever, and without much social 1657 01:37:41.000 --> 01:37:45.600 structure apart from these tiny little family groups. And he 1658 01:37:45.680 --> 01:37:47.560 wanted to know where the black where all the black 1659 01:37:47.600 --> 01:37:50.079 people are. He's in Africa, you know, he was supposed 1660 01:37:50.119 --> 01:37:53.479 to have black shir and so he set out on 1661 01:37:53.520 --> 01:37:59.439 a journey to find proper dark skin, dark curly head, 1662 01:38:00.079 --> 01:38:07.520 broad shouldered black people, as you know, them, and he 1663 01:38:07.720 --> 01:38:13.880 found them about six hundred miles away from Cape Town 1664 01:38:14.479 --> 01:38:18.960 after almost a two year search, on the east bank 1665 01:38:19.119 --> 01:38:22.640 of the famous Great Fish River. And that one anecdote 1666 01:38:23.079 --> 01:38:25.520 tells you the whole story. It tells you everything that 1667 01:38:25.560 --> 01:38:33.039 you need to know. Excuse me on the simple reality 1668 01:38:33.199 --> 01:38:39.119 is that South Africa was so sparsely populated, and indeed 1669 01:38:40.399 --> 01:38:44.960 an enormous portion of it not populated at all by 1670 01:38:45.000 --> 01:38:50.399 Black Africans, that it took the proto whites of South Africa, 1671 01:38:50.439 --> 01:38:54.960 the first whites of South Africa, one hundred and twenty 1672 01:38:55.279 --> 01:39:00.680 five years to meet up with the Negroid to use 1673 01:39:00.720 --> 01:39:06.199 the technical term the Negroid black people of Africa as 1674 01:39:06.239 --> 01:39:09.800 everybody knows them. And if that is not instructive, then 1675 01:39:09.880 --> 01:39:13.239 nothing will ever teach anybody anything. It took the whites 1676 01:39:13.239 --> 01:39:17.000 of South Africa one hundred and twenty five years to 1677 01:39:17.079 --> 01:39:21.560 meet the first also people, the first black people before 1678 01:39:21.600 --> 01:39:25.399 the Zulus, the Sutus, the Twanas, the de barely and 1679 01:39:25.439 --> 01:39:29.439 so on. One hundred and twenty five years. And you know 1680 01:39:29.880 --> 01:39:36.800 today was flicking through Tweeter and a black South African 1681 01:39:37.000 --> 01:39:42.119 was making some sort of cynical observations of African National 1682 01:39:42.119 --> 01:39:49.840 Congress government and he was pointing out that it's a 1683 01:39:49.960 --> 01:39:53.960 very little known fact that the majority of farmland in 1684 01:39:54.000 --> 01:39:57.920 South Africa is owned by black people. And as you 1685 01:39:57.960 --> 01:40:00.399 and I know, there's been this anc campaign over the 1686 01:40:00.439 --> 01:40:03.439 past thirty years to repatriate the land to the blacks, 1687 01:40:03.960 --> 01:40:08.000 and liberals and imbeciles have the idea in their minds 1688 01:40:08.000 --> 01:40:10.039 that the whites own all of the farmland and the 1689 01:40:10.079 --> 01:40:13.119 blacks are cooped up in teeny tiny little I don't 1690 01:40:13.119 --> 01:40:16.079 know what, like Brazilian favelas or something. And it's an 1691 01:40:16.079 --> 01:40:20.840 absolute fallacy, even right through a part eight. Aside from 1692 01:40:21.239 --> 01:40:27.359 privately owned black land, aside from black townships, the Zulu 1693 01:40:27.479 --> 01:40:34.520 Kingdom's Trust, which is called the Ingonyama Trust owned and 1694 01:40:34.600 --> 01:40:40.640 still does own thirty two percent of the Zulu Province, 1695 01:40:40.720 --> 01:40:45.279 the Zulu Land Province, the Quadzulu Province formerly known as 1696 01:40:45.319 --> 01:40:47.960 the Natel Province. And that's just one anecdote. I could 1697 01:40:47.960 --> 01:40:51.960 give you hundreds that might give a sense of perspective 1698 01:40:52.000 --> 01:40:56.880 on this thing. It's very, very, very poorly understood. It's 1699 01:40:57.000 --> 01:40:59.640 not like the United States of America. It's not like 1700 01:41:00.000 --> 01:41:02.359 whatever other example you want to pluck out of thin air. 1701 01:41:02.439 --> 01:41:06.239 South Africa is South Africa, was very sparsely populated. It 1702 01:41:06.279 --> 01:41:09.279 took over a century for whites and blacks as such 1703 01:41:09.319 --> 01:41:14.800 to meet, and to this day black people occupy and 1704 01:41:14.960 --> 01:41:18.159 own a significant portion of the country. 1705 01:41:19.600 --> 01:41:24.960 I know that mining minerals gems are a part of 1706 01:41:25.000 --> 01:41:29.119 the history. When did that start and did that bring 1707 01:41:29.640 --> 01:41:32.279 tension among the people. 1708 01:41:32.920 --> 01:41:37.800 So, in reply to your question, naturally it created tension, 1709 01:41:39.159 --> 01:41:40.800 I should point out to you, and this is very 1710 01:41:40.920 --> 01:41:44.760 very well recorded. This is not some convenient right wing 1711 01:41:45.079 --> 01:41:50.680 racist maniac statistic. People can look this up for themselves. 1712 01:41:52.319 --> 01:41:57.520 In the early part of the nineteenth century, that is 1713 01:41:57.560 --> 01:42:02.119 to say, the early eighteen hundreds. In eighteen oh seven, 1714 01:42:02.680 --> 01:42:12.239 the British Empire banned the slave trade, but the banning 1715 01:42:12.399 --> 01:42:17.159 of slave ownership only occurred in eighteen thirty four. So 1716 01:42:17.199 --> 01:42:20.520 those are two salient figures for your audience members to 1717 01:42:20.600 --> 01:42:22.880 remember for the rest of their lives. If people talk 1718 01:42:22.880 --> 01:42:26.920 about slavery and slaving and what have you. Eighteen oh seven, 1719 01:42:27.159 --> 01:42:29.960 right throughout the British Empire, the slave trade is banned. 1720 01:42:30.439 --> 01:42:33.680 I can't buy slaves anymore, I can't sell you slaves anymore. 1721 01:42:33.720 --> 01:42:37.359 But I'm going to hang on to the slaves that 1722 01:42:37.439 --> 01:42:40.399 I do have, and that lasted for twenty seven years 1723 01:42:40.479 --> 01:42:45.199 until eighteen thirty four. Now that's almost an aside. It's 1724 01:42:45.239 --> 01:42:47.680 not really that relevant to what I'm about to say, 1725 01:42:47.680 --> 01:42:52.439 but it gives some sense of perspective. During that period, 1726 01:42:52.520 --> 01:42:56.960 an event known as the Great Crushing occurred, the infantah 1727 01:42:57.239 --> 01:43:04.079 Neh and all of that. There's absolute consensus between all 1728 01:43:04.239 --> 01:43:09.239 serious scholars on this subject, and that is that the 1729 01:43:09.680 --> 01:43:14.199 number of black people in South Africa at that time 1730 01:43:14.520 --> 01:43:19.560 was roughly three million. And in this Great Crushing, this 1731 01:43:20.039 --> 01:43:24.239 enormous civil war between black people, not involving whites at 1732 01:43:24.279 --> 01:43:27.720 all at all, no whites participated. There's no record, there's 1733 01:43:27.720 --> 01:43:33.039 no allegation, there's no claim, there's no nothing. The blacks 1734 01:43:33.119 --> 01:43:39.159 killed about two thirds of their population, something like two thirds, 1735 01:43:39.199 --> 01:43:44.880 and they're fantastic records of this. And these were in 1736 01:43:45.079 --> 01:43:51.159 regions that had not been ever occupied by whites, because 1737 01:43:51.239 --> 01:43:55.399 the whites had not yet fled the Cape of Good 1738 01:43:55.439 --> 01:44:00.279 Hope in reaction to the slaving laws. It was only 1739 01:44:00.439 --> 01:44:04.319 after eighteen thirty four that the whites said, we hate 1740 01:44:04.319 --> 01:44:07.119 the British Empire. We don't want anything more to do 1741 01:44:07.199 --> 01:44:11.560 with the Queen. They can all go to hell. We're 1742 01:44:11.720 --> 01:44:15.359 leaving this colony, this British colony. By then it was British, 1743 01:44:15.399 --> 01:44:19.000 although it was founded by the Dutch. And we're setting 1744 01:44:19.000 --> 01:44:24.079 off into the hinterland to create new republics, the famous 1745 01:44:24.279 --> 01:44:30.119 poor republics. And off they went. But that began only 1746 01:44:30.239 --> 01:44:34.439 in response to the slaving dramas of eighteen thirty four 1747 01:44:35.039 --> 01:44:40.079 and thereabouts. So prior to that, in the regions outside 1748 01:44:40.199 --> 01:44:43.800 of those or that large region occupied by the whites 1749 01:44:44.399 --> 01:44:49.119 and the bushmen, only the whites and the bushmen, the 1750 01:44:49.239 --> 01:44:59.159 very sparsely scattered, the scarified bushmen. Only it was only 1751 01:44:59.239 --> 01:45:02.079 in the mid is that the whites left that region 1752 01:45:02.119 --> 01:45:05.560 and went into the regions that had hitherto been occupied 1753 01:45:05.560 --> 01:45:08.800 by the blacks. And whether people like this argument or not, 1754 01:45:08.960 --> 01:45:11.600 the reality is that the whites went into a region 1755 01:45:13.199 --> 01:45:20.039 you can look it up, of about seven hundred eight 1756 01:45:20.119 --> 01:45:23.880 hundred thousand square kilometers. I don't know what that is 1757 01:45:23.960 --> 01:45:27.760 in miles and square miles, that was settled only by 1758 01:45:28.319 --> 01:45:33.880 about a million people who had survived the infectani and 1759 01:45:34.079 --> 01:45:42.399 liberal what do you call these people? Liberal missionaries, liberal adventurers, 1760 01:45:43.000 --> 01:45:47.119 David Livingston and the like. They recorded, never mind the conservatives, 1761 01:45:47.159 --> 01:45:50.920 the terrible racist the white South Africans blah blah blah. 1762 01:45:51.239 --> 01:45:57.319 The liberals recorded how they treked for days and days 1763 01:45:57.399 --> 01:46:01.760 and days, sometimes weeks, without seeing a living soul, but 1764 01:46:01.920 --> 01:46:06.359 seeing tens of thousands of corpses and skeletons and so 1765 01:46:06.479 --> 01:46:09.880 on scattered all over the show. So that's by way 1766 01:46:09.920 --> 01:46:14.640 of giving some background to the mineral question. In the 1767 01:46:14.680 --> 01:46:20.920 eighteen sixties and eighteen eighties, gold and diamonds were discovered, 1768 01:46:21.399 --> 01:46:25.560 the largest load of or resource, if you like, of 1769 01:46:25.680 --> 01:46:29.439 diamonds in the world. And then certainly and until today 1770 01:46:29.479 --> 01:46:37.039 the US United States Geological Survey claims on its website 1771 01:46:37.680 --> 01:46:41.159 until today that the largest gold resources in the world, 1772 01:46:41.600 --> 01:46:45.560 over fifty percent, not just the largest, but over fifty 1773 01:46:45.560 --> 01:46:49.159 percent of all of the world's gold resources until today, 1774 01:46:49.680 --> 01:46:53.039 reside in South African soil. So along come the whites. 1775 01:46:53.079 --> 01:46:57.800 They go into this very depopulated country. They set up 1776 01:46:57.840 --> 01:47:01.960 these boyer republics. They leave the black people to their 1777 01:47:02.000 --> 01:47:06.039 own devices. That is to say, you've got your place, 1778 01:47:06.119 --> 01:47:08.000 no problem, we all settle over here. This was a 1779 01:47:08.119 --> 01:47:12.199 very well known thing. There was very little pushing out 1780 01:47:12.319 --> 01:47:15.479 or anything of that nature. If you're there, considering that 1781 01:47:15.560 --> 01:47:19.600 you're very few and we're very few, well everything should 1782 01:47:19.640 --> 01:47:24.640 be okay. And then the whites discovered the minerals, and 1783 01:47:24.680 --> 01:47:28.159 of course, to this day it causes enormous resentment because 1784 01:47:28.199 --> 01:47:31.800 there is the perception among black people that if you 1785 01:47:31.920 --> 01:47:34.960 hadn't held us back, you know, we were surging forward, 1786 01:47:35.000 --> 01:47:39.880 we were on the very verge of breaks through out 1787 01:47:39.920 --> 01:47:43.880 of the Stone Age into the Space Age or whatever. 1788 01:47:45.640 --> 01:47:49.600 If you hadn't discovered those mineral resources and exploited them 1789 01:47:49.640 --> 01:47:52.680 for yourselves, well we would have found them and we 1790 01:47:52.720 --> 01:47:55.119 would have built mind shafts and mines and what have you. 1791 01:47:55.479 --> 01:47:57.920 But it's an argument that's not taken very seriously, not 1792 01:47:58.119 --> 01:48:02.920 even by black people. Hopelessly unrealistic argument. So yes, it 1793 01:48:02.960 --> 01:48:06.640 does cause tension and resentment and what have you, but 1794 01:48:06.720 --> 01:48:12.039 it's not a terribly serious argument in pragmatic terms. 1795 01:48:12.479 --> 01:48:16.319 Well, if you're into the late eighteen hundreds, why don't 1796 01:48:16.319 --> 01:48:19.119 you jump into the nineteen hundreds and bring. 1797 01:48:18.960 --> 01:48:19.680 Us up to. 1798 01:48:21.199 --> 01:48:24.439 What would have caused what is known as apartheid. 1799 01:48:25.520 --> 01:48:31.880 Well, the Bours formed excuse me, two republics. So the 1800 01:48:32.439 --> 01:48:40.560 Burs are the white descendants of the first Dutch settlers 1801 01:48:41.439 --> 01:48:45.840 intermingled with French Huguenots. That is to say, French Protestants 1802 01:48:46.560 --> 01:48:51.279 fleeing the revocation of the Edict of Nant. I won't 1803 01:48:51.279 --> 01:48:54.119 get into all of the details, but for your religious 1804 01:48:54.119 --> 01:49:04.279 listeners that may be relevant. Intermingled with demobili German Lutheran soldiers, 1805 01:49:04.279 --> 01:49:06.720 so in other words, soldiers from the north of Germany 1806 01:49:07.560 --> 01:49:12.640 following that various wars. I wanted to say that Eighty 1807 01:49:12.720 --> 01:49:15.039 Years War, but that was a bit before. So you 1808 01:49:15.159 --> 01:49:18.600 had these three groups who came in in the sixteen 1809 01:49:18.640 --> 01:49:23.600 hundreds and they intermarried and they formed a new breed 1810 01:49:23.640 --> 01:49:28.720 of people, as Sir Arthur Conan Doyle of Sherlock Holmes 1811 01:49:28.720 --> 01:49:33.239 Fame described so very eloquently in his book on the 1812 01:49:33.279 --> 01:49:39.640 World War. And they settled and they hung around Cape 1813 01:49:39.680 --> 01:49:42.520 Town for a long time, from the mid sixteen hundreds 1814 01:49:42.600 --> 01:49:45.960 until the eighteen thirties. As I've already described to you, 1815 01:49:46.840 --> 01:49:53.439 following the imposition of British laws upon the people of 1816 01:49:53.479 --> 01:49:58.039 the colony, they decided to leave and they founded three 1817 01:49:58.119 --> 01:50:00.159 new republics. We're going to leave the one on the 1818 01:50:00.159 --> 01:50:02.800 one side, because it was almost immediately taken over by 1819 01:50:02.840 --> 01:50:05.520 the British, was a bit of a failure in that sense. 1820 01:50:06.000 --> 01:50:09.880 And the two well known republics were the Orange Free 1821 01:50:09.920 --> 01:50:13.239 State and the Transvole, which by the way, is not 1822 01:50:13.279 --> 01:50:16.640 its correct name, but it's the name that people might recognize. 1823 01:50:16.800 --> 01:50:21.800 In eighteen fifty two and eighteen fifty four. Eighteen fifty two, 1824 01:50:21.920 --> 01:50:27.760 the Transvole and then ironically the lower portion, the first 1825 01:50:27.840 --> 01:50:32.600 that was discovered, only became a republic two years later. 1826 01:50:34.920 --> 01:50:38.079 They became known as the Boer republics. Boer means farmer, 1827 01:50:38.399 --> 01:50:45.680 so these Dutch slash Hugenot Lutheran people, and they were 1828 01:50:45.800 --> 01:50:49.960 characterized by their religion that the French and the Germans 1829 01:50:49.960 --> 01:50:52.760 they were Huguenots. They were not French people. They were 1830 01:50:52.840 --> 01:50:56.720 French Protestants fleeing the revocation of the Edict of Nant 1831 01:50:57.039 --> 01:51:02.600 and the Germans were Lutheran Germans who'd been demobilized following 1832 01:51:03.920 --> 01:51:06.920 certain European wars. They're looking for a place to go. 1833 01:51:08.600 --> 01:51:15.960 These people formed this kind of proto nation. And when 1834 01:51:16.199 --> 01:51:20.199 that those people went out to form these new republics, 1835 01:51:20.199 --> 01:51:22.720 all they really just ran away from British rule. They 1836 01:51:22.720 --> 01:51:25.760 didn't know that they were going to form republics. They 1837 01:51:25.800 --> 01:51:30.760 began to call themselves trakburen, which means pull farmers or 1838 01:51:32.199 --> 01:51:39.560 itinerant farmers, and the name bur Stuck so to this day, 1839 01:51:39.920 --> 01:51:44.159 the Afrikana, the Afrikaans speaking people of South Africa, the 1840 01:51:44.279 --> 01:51:49.479 very conservative, tough ones, the famous ones, are referred to 1841 01:51:49.520 --> 01:51:54.720 themselves as boors, which means farmers. It's people very closely 1842 01:51:54.720 --> 01:51:58.159 attached to the land. It's quite almost a sensitive thing, 1843 01:51:58.199 --> 01:52:01.199 you know, there's a deep, deep de thing of the 1844 01:52:01.319 --> 01:52:04.760 soil is under our fingernails and we don't clean it 1845 01:52:04.880 --> 01:52:13.800 out from there. And those two republics declared independence in 1846 01:52:13.920 --> 01:52:16.920 eighteen fifty two and eighteen fifty four. Lo and behold 1847 01:52:17.199 --> 01:52:19.840 gold was I mean, diamonds were discovered in the eighteen 1848 01:52:19.960 --> 01:52:24.520 sixties in the one province, and so Queen Victoria bought 1849 01:52:24.680 --> 01:52:28.159 that portion of that province for the South Africans who 1850 01:52:28.199 --> 01:52:30.479 watched the same may not be aware that Kimberly and 1851 01:52:30.520 --> 01:52:33.399 surrounding areas was once part of the Orange Free State. 1852 01:52:34.520 --> 01:52:41.439 And then gold was discovered and the British invaded. It 1853 01:52:41.600 --> 01:52:44.399 was a long series of pretexts and dramas and nonsense 1854 01:52:44.439 --> 01:52:46.279 and what have you. But the Boer War took place 1855 01:52:46.319 --> 01:52:50.479 between eighteen ninety nine and nineteen oh one, and within 1856 01:52:50.520 --> 01:52:54.000 a few months, the very very few months. Many people 1857 01:52:54.039 --> 01:52:57.000 don't know this, the British had practically won. They had 1858 01:52:57.000 --> 01:53:01.159 won ninety percent of the war just a few holdouts, 1859 01:53:01.159 --> 01:53:06.039 and I do mean just a few months. The balance 1860 01:53:06.079 --> 01:53:07.600 of the two years was just a matter of a 1861 01:53:07.600 --> 01:53:10.439 few holdouts riding through the felt endeavoring to escape. The 1862 01:53:10.479 --> 01:53:16.840 British absolutely steamrolled the tiny, tiny bour force of about 1863 01:53:17.039 --> 01:53:21.520 thirty odd thousand men, and in the process, as is 1864 01:53:21.560 --> 01:53:26.359 well known, the British established not the first concentration camps 1865 01:53:26.720 --> 01:53:31.600 in modern history, but certainly the second or third. And 1866 01:53:31.920 --> 01:53:39.119 they starved to death something like thirty thousand Boer women 1867 01:53:39.119 --> 01:53:43.600 and children, which was a fantastic proportion of the population 1868 01:53:44.600 --> 01:53:47.479 and the British then that ends in nineteen oh one, 1869 01:53:47.600 --> 01:53:50.039 nineteen oh two, but two thousand and I mean, I 1870 01:53:50.079 --> 01:53:54.359 think at nineteen ten the British established complete rule over 1871 01:53:54.479 --> 01:53:58.000 South Africa. It was broken up into four provinces and 1872 01:53:58.039 --> 01:54:03.079 the British ruled from nineteen ten until nineteen sixty, and 1873 01:54:03.119 --> 01:54:06.039 that was known as the Union of South Africa. The 1874 01:54:06.079 --> 01:54:11.359 majority of the white people remained Afrikaans speaking, so in 1875 01:54:11.359 --> 01:54:15.960 other words, the Afrikana bur people and the minority of 1876 01:54:17.359 --> 01:54:21.920 whites in South Africa was the English speaking people. Yeah, 1877 01:54:21.920 --> 01:54:25.359 the English speaking people. So there was this very dominant 1878 01:54:25.479 --> 01:54:29.079 Buor folk, but they didn't have their own government. It 1879 01:54:29.119 --> 01:54:32.119 was a British colony, and they brought in the a 1880 01:54:32.199 --> 01:54:34.880 part of what later became known as the Aparthe eight Laws. 1881 01:54:34.920 --> 01:54:38.520 They didn't give the name apart eight to those laws, 1882 01:54:39.159 --> 01:54:42.560 but they were the ones the British who said, well, look, 1883 01:54:42.600 --> 01:54:44.680 if we're going to be running this place, you know, 1884 01:54:44.760 --> 01:54:47.520 the boys have been a bit slap dash about these things. 1885 01:54:47.560 --> 01:54:51.079 They've been allowing the Blacks to settle wherever they want 1886 01:54:51.119 --> 01:54:56.000 and occupy whatever land they wanted. There's been a very 1887 01:54:56.039 --> 01:55:00.159 cozy relationship here. But we need to formalize things. We 1888 01:55:00.319 --> 01:55:04.039 British colonizers, we don't play around when it comes to colonialism. 1889 01:55:04.079 --> 01:55:06.800 We need rules, strict lots of strict rules. And so 1890 01:55:06.960 --> 01:55:10.840 they brought in the idea of blacks being able to 1891 01:55:10.880 --> 01:55:13.520 travel on the same train, or only being able to 1892 01:55:13.520 --> 01:55:16.960 travel on one compartment of a train, while the rest is, 1893 01:55:17.079 --> 01:55:20.760 you know, one hundred people in one compartment whereas ten 1894 01:55:20.840 --> 01:55:24.800 people in another six compartments. They're devoted to whites. They 1895 01:55:24.840 --> 01:55:28.680 brought in the first group areas acts and so on 1896 01:55:28.720 --> 01:55:34.680 and so forth, Which is not to say that conservative 1897 01:55:34.680 --> 01:55:40.000 white South Africans like myself abdicate all responsibility that we say, 1898 01:55:40.000 --> 01:55:42.680 all goodness me, we would never have been so brutal. 1899 01:55:42.840 --> 01:55:45.359 It's the British who did that. That's not the point. 1900 01:55:45.600 --> 01:55:51.720 What we're saying is we were advocates of a Part eight. However, 1901 01:55:52.319 --> 01:55:54.640 don't make the mistake of believing that we came up 1902 01:55:54.680 --> 01:55:58.920 with the idea. It was in place for fifty one 1903 01:55:59.199 --> 01:56:06.039 years before the South Africa became a republic, before we 1904 01:56:06.039 --> 01:56:11.680 were no longer a colony of Great Britain and the 1905 01:56:12.039 --> 01:56:15.640 South African Aparthe eight ended effectively in nineteen ninety two. 1906 01:56:16.479 --> 01:56:20.920 I won't go into the details, but if you would 1907 01:56:20.960 --> 01:56:24.239 prefer not to give me the benefit of the doubt, 1908 01:56:24.600 --> 01:56:28.399 then let's say nineteen ninety four when the ANC formally 1909 01:56:28.399 --> 01:56:31.239 took over. So that means there was fifty one years 1910 01:56:31.239 --> 01:56:34.239 of British colonial rule during which all of those laws 1911 01:56:34.279 --> 01:56:39.600 were established by none all of them, and then a 1912 01:56:39.720 --> 01:56:42.520 Part eight as people know it, as people blame us for, 1913 01:56:42.680 --> 01:56:47.279 because they never blame the flaming British, do they ever 1914 01:56:48.680 --> 01:56:51.680 a Part eight? Real aparties It was not fifty one years, 1915 01:56:51.720 --> 01:56:54.840 It was at most thirty three years. But actually a 1916 01:56:54.840 --> 01:56:57.479 little bit lease So I think that that's kind of 1917 01:56:57.560 --> 01:56:59.319 a comprehensive answer to your question. 1918 01:56:59.680 --> 01:57:02.399 Pete, Well, I think a lot of people would like 1919 01:57:02.479 --> 01:57:05.760 to know what life was like. I mean, I don't 1920 01:57:06.239 --> 01:57:08.640 I'm not asking your age. I don't know if you 1921 01:57:08.720 --> 01:57:13.960 were conscious of what was going on when apartheid was 1922 01:57:14.079 --> 01:57:19.119 under way, but a lot of from everything that Western 1923 01:57:19.199 --> 01:57:23.079 media would tell us, it was just basically oppression of 1924 01:57:23.119 --> 01:57:27.000 blacks all day, every day and white Scots to live 1925 01:57:27.119 --> 01:57:31.880 like kings and enslave them. And they make it seem 1926 01:57:31.920 --> 01:57:34.960 like no white person in the country was working at 1927 01:57:34.960 --> 01:57:37.760 the time. So can you talk a little bit about 1928 01:57:37.760 --> 01:57:39.319 what conditions were actually like. 1929 01:57:41.199 --> 01:57:48.159 Relatively speaking, they were poor, relatively speaking, white people lived 1930 01:57:48.199 --> 01:57:52.039 in Well for instance, I don't come from a wealthy family, 1931 01:57:52.199 --> 01:57:55.920 not at all. My dad worked in a factory. He 1932 01:57:55.960 --> 01:57:58.920 worked his way up to a senior position, but he 1933 01:57:59.560 --> 01:58:04.119 was a tree worker and we were five kids, so 1934 01:58:04.159 --> 01:58:05.880 there wasn't a lot of money. And I grew up 1935 01:58:05.960 --> 01:58:10.520 during the seventies and eighties. I'm born in nineteen seventy one. 1936 01:58:11.000 --> 01:58:14.039 I'm fifty two years old now, so I grew up 1937 01:58:14.479 --> 01:58:18.239 in that period. Following the impositions of sanctions by the 1938 01:58:18.279 --> 01:58:21.119 world in the mid seventies. Beginning in the mid seventies 1939 01:58:21.720 --> 01:58:25.720 were now our rand value collapsed. So to give you 1940 01:58:25.760 --> 01:58:31.319 a sense of perspective, a bigger partner dollar now costs 1941 01:58:31.720 --> 01:58:37.960 a twenty ran. When I was a kid, a dollar 1942 01:58:38.119 --> 01:58:44.239 cost fifty of our cents, so our rand currency was 1943 01:58:44.239 --> 01:58:46.640 worth twice as much as the dollar. And then the 1944 01:58:46.680 --> 01:58:50.760 sanctions were imposed and it was all broken and destroyed 1945 01:58:51.319 --> 01:58:55.520 forever more and then exacerbated obviously when the anc took over. 1946 01:58:57.199 --> 01:59:02.399 But we grew up in a house of a double 1947 01:59:02.479 --> 01:59:08.520 story brick house on a sixteenth of an acre, five bedrooms, 1948 01:59:10.439 --> 01:59:19.279 you know, that kind of standard, very comfortable Western European thing. 1949 01:59:19.359 --> 01:59:21.279 You know, the kind of house you would like to 1950 01:59:21.359 --> 01:59:26.199 you would statistically we're likely to grow up in as 1951 01:59:26.239 --> 01:59:30.840 an American or a Canadian, or a middle class Australian, 1952 01:59:30.920 --> 01:59:33.960 New Zealander or South Africa. And obviously white people are 1953 01:59:34.039 --> 01:59:37.920 bigger part in. Black people didn't have that. Black people 1954 01:59:37.920 --> 01:59:45.119 didn't have the opportunity to obtain such wealth. The overwhelming 1955 01:59:45.159 --> 01:59:49.119 majority lived in what were known as four rooms, the 1956 01:59:49.159 --> 01:59:54.840 famous four rooms that were built by the apartheid government. 1957 01:59:55.560 --> 01:59:57.600 And I'll tell you an interesting story. I was the 1958 01:59:57.640 --> 02:00:01.760 project manager of a very very famous, probably the most 1959 02:00:01.880 --> 02:00:09.039 famous African National Congress conference ever. I was a what's 1960 02:00:09.079 --> 02:00:13.439 known as a special projects projects manager, so things like 1961 02:00:13.760 --> 02:00:17.119 opening ceremonies of the Olympics or the World I never 1962 02:00:17.159 --> 02:00:20.239 did the Olympics, I'm just giving an example, or the 1963 02:00:20.279 --> 02:00:25.279 closing ceremony of the World Cup of Football, or presidential inaugurations. 1964 02:00:25.119 --> 02:00:27.720 That's what I did for an occupation for many years. 1965 02:00:28.359 --> 02:00:34.720 And at this very famous conference, very very big, huge, 1966 02:00:35.800 --> 02:00:40.119 there was a riot among the ANC, the senior members 1967 02:00:40.159 --> 02:00:43.279 of the ANC, the five thousand most senior members of 1968 02:00:43.319 --> 02:00:48.760 the ANC. Within the venue, there wasn't a room big 1969 02:00:48.880 --> 02:00:52.399 enough to hold the conference. A room in South Africa, 1970 02:00:52.560 --> 02:00:57.479 no indoor sports stadium, no nothing. And so a huge 1971 02:00:57.600 --> 02:01:01.920 tent was rented on Germany and it was imported and 1972 02:01:01.960 --> 02:01:06.920 this tent was erected for this enormous conference. Five thousand 1973 02:01:07.640 --> 02:01:11.199 most senior members plus others, five thousand, five hundred people 1974 02:01:11.560 --> 02:01:14.800 in the room. I'm the project manager. I'm standing at 1975 02:01:14.840 --> 02:01:17.680 the back, you know, making sure that everything's going well, 1976 02:01:18.520 --> 02:01:22.199 that the audio visual is going well, the audio that 1977 02:01:22.439 --> 02:01:26.319 is that that da da da da. And this riot 1978 02:01:26.359 --> 02:01:29.920 breaks up, people beating one another over the head with 1979 02:01:30.159 --> 02:01:33.960 chairs and desks and what have you. And the guy 1980 02:01:34.119 --> 02:01:36.279 next to me was a friend of mine and he 1981 02:01:36.359 --> 02:01:40.199 was a famous ANC activist. It was pure coincidence that 1982 02:01:40.279 --> 02:01:43.239 he and I were in the role that we were in. 1983 02:01:43.279 --> 02:01:47.039 We weren't there as anything but technicians as it were, 1984 02:01:47.239 --> 02:01:51.720 of the event. And this guy's name is Mobi Mobi Mabaso. 1985 02:01:51.920 --> 02:01:54.239 It means ugly. His mother called him ugly when he 1986 02:01:54.279 --> 02:01:58.279 was born. That's his real name. And knowing that besides 1987 02:01:58.319 --> 02:02:02.680 being an audio visual gene, he was an ANC activist 1988 02:02:02.680 --> 02:02:05.520 and a very good friend of mine, I was able 1989 02:02:05.560 --> 02:02:07.520 to turn to him and say what now, movie, what 1990 02:02:07.600 --> 02:02:11.279 the flip is going on now? And he said to me, Simon, 1991 02:02:14.479 --> 02:02:18.239 people are upset that in the By then the ANC 1992 02:02:18.359 --> 02:02:22.560 had been in power for fourteen years, he said, and 1993 02:02:22.640 --> 02:02:26.039 we took over the building of the houses. We started 1994 02:02:26.039 --> 02:02:30.000 building rubbish. So black people lived in these famous four 1995 02:02:30.079 --> 02:02:33.760 room houses built by a part eight, which were supposedly 1996 02:02:33.840 --> 02:02:40.000 disgusting and disgraceful. But fourteen years later, the entire leadership 1997 02:02:40.079 --> 02:02:45.479 of the African National Congress, five thousand people were beating 1998 02:02:45.520 --> 02:02:49.119 one another over the head with desks and chairs and 1999 02:02:49.520 --> 02:02:55.279 what are known as gooseneck microphones over the inability of 2000 02:02:55.319 --> 02:02:59.359 the African National Congress to deliver to black people a 2001 02:02:59.520 --> 02:03:02.720 fraction of what white people had been able to deliver. 2002 02:03:03.319 --> 02:03:05.640 I think that my answer gives you a sense of perspective. 2003 02:03:05.720 --> 02:03:09.399 Nobody's alleging that black people lived like kings. But what 2004 02:03:09.560 --> 02:03:12.159 is a matter of fact is that black people in 2005 02:03:12.239 --> 02:03:16.640 white in a part eight South Africa were afforded a 2006 02:03:16.800 --> 02:03:21.279 standard of living by the state, by the state that 2007 02:03:21.479 --> 02:03:27.800 was incomparable throughout Africa and certainly has not been compared 2008 02:03:28.640 --> 02:03:30.399 in the intervening thirty years. 2009 02:03:31.520 --> 02:03:34.560 Simon, let me ask you. You mentioned that in nineteen 2010 02:03:34.640 --> 02:03:39.680 ninety four the ANC took over. Was that an I 2011 02:03:39.720 --> 02:03:41.920 assume that was an election, right? 2012 02:03:43.039 --> 02:03:46.680 Yeah. By the mid eighties it became clear that the 2013 02:03:47.159 --> 02:03:50.720 South Africa's position was untenable. Now this is debatable, and 2014 02:03:51.479 --> 02:03:54.600 conservative white South Africans who watched this video might become 2015 02:03:54.720 --> 02:03:56.720 very offended by what I'm about to say, but they 2016 02:03:56.840 --> 02:03:59.720 must also understand that I have to I can't spend 2017 02:03:59.720 --> 02:04:01.960 fifty fifteen hours on this interview, so I have to 2018 02:04:02.079 --> 02:04:04.560 keep things simple, and the best way to do that 2019 02:04:05.840 --> 02:04:09.800 is to go for the general. So the general is 2020 02:04:09.840 --> 02:04:16.199 this universal sanctions and a twenty seven percent annual inflation 2021 02:04:16.359 --> 02:04:21.760 rate made South Africa's sustainability very difficult and through a 2022 02:04:21.840 --> 02:04:26.239 series of shenanigans and false moves and deceit and all 2023 02:04:26.279 --> 02:04:33.600 sorts of devious things. In nineteen ninety the government presented 2024 02:04:33.680 --> 02:04:38.239 white South Africa with a referendum, a beggar pardon sorry, 2025 02:04:38.760 --> 02:04:42.680 a bigger parton in nineteen ninety the government released Nelson 2026 02:04:42.680 --> 02:04:49.159 Mandela under phenomenal pressure February nineteen ninety. Then in nineteen 2027 02:04:49.279 --> 02:04:53.079 ninety two, the government asked White South Africa to vote 2028 02:04:53.800 --> 02:04:57.840 on continuing negotiations with the African National Congress. So there 2029 02:04:57.840 --> 02:05:01.439 was a sticking point, a real impasse. At that time. 2030 02:05:01.960 --> 02:05:06.039 Conservative White South Africa were saying how dare you betray us? 2031 02:05:06.439 --> 02:05:08.840 And liberal White South Africa were saying, well, you've got 2032 02:05:08.880 --> 02:05:12.920 to do more. And there was a lot of agitation 2033 02:05:13.079 --> 02:05:17.279 within the country, a lot of violence, political murders, Winnie 2034 02:05:17.279 --> 02:05:22.520 Mandela and her necklacing. It was a difficult, difficult time, 2035 02:05:23.279 --> 02:05:27.479 and White South Africans, allegedly whether the vote or the 2036 02:05:27.520 --> 02:05:30.920 results were true or not is another matter, allegedly voted 2037 02:05:31.119 --> 02:05:36.039 just over two thirds yes, please continue negotiations with the 2038 02:05:36.520 --> 02:05:39.880 African National Congress so that we can hold free and fair, 2039 02:05:40.600 --> 02:05:46.600 multi racial, universal plebisite elections, and we can get back 2040 02:05:46.640 --> 02:05:48.920 to playing rugby with the rest of the world, and 2041 02:05:49.039 --> 02:05:54.239 international cricket and free trade and so on and so forth, 2042 02:05:54.279 --> 02:05:59.479 and investment. We want McCain's vegetables to appear on our 2043 02:05:59.479 --> 02:06:05.119 super mar shells. We want Burger king to appear in 2044 02:06:05.159 --> 02:06:08.720 South Afrik, so on and so forth. So yes, nineteen 2045 02:06:08.760 --> 02:06:14.000 ninety Nelson mandelas released nineteen ninety two, this huge seminal 2046 02:06:14.680 --> 02:06:18.880 rubicon crossing of the rubicon moment election is held. And 2047 02:06:18.920 --> 02:06:21.079 then in nineteen ninety four, on the twenty seventh of 2048 02:06:21.079 --> 02:06:26.000 April nineteen ninety four, the first multiracial election was held. 2049 02:06:26.479 --> 02:06:29.560 It was won by the African National Congress under the 2050 02:06:29.640 --> 02:06:31.319 leadership of Nelson Mandela. 2051 02:06:32.560 --> 02:06:36.000 What happened after that, Well, the A and C took 2052 02:06:36.000 --> 02:06:42.079 over and they were given arguably the greatest benefit of 2053 02:06:42.159 --> 02:06:45.039 the doubt of any. 2054 02:06:46.159 --> 02:06:51.159 Ruling party in government in the history of the world. 2055 02:06:52.520 --> 02:06:57.359 They could do no wrong. The African National Congress has 2056 02:06:57.399 --> 02:07:06.640 spent thirty years one of the world's gems. Now to 2057 02:07:06.720 --> 02:07:09.720 some people, that makes no difference. Some people will say 2058 02:07:09.720 --> 02:07:14.920 to you, well, it doesn't matter. Freedom and equality and 2059 02:07:15.199 --> 02:07:21.800 justice are all that count and those were not present 2060 02:07:21.880 --> 02:07:25.359 during A Part eight, not for the majority, the black majority. 2061 02:07:25.840 --> 02:07:30.560 Therefore it doesn't matter. The ANC remains legitimate. The entire 2062 02:07:30.600 --> 02:07:33.039 process is a legitimate. The New South Africa, or the 2063 02:07:33.119 --> 02:07:37.800 Rainbow Nation as it's called, is legitimate. Fine, no problem, 2064 02:07:38.159 --> 02:07:43.680 it's okay. We're not going down that road here. I'm 2065 02:07:43.880 --> 02:07:46.680 just going to tell you that whether A Part eight 2066 02:07:46.800 --> 02:07:49.479 was good or bad, whether the New South Africa is 2067 02:07:49.600 --> 02:07:53.600 good or bad, it's a catastrophe of the first class. 2068 02:07:54.520 --> 02:08:00.560 And I'll give you some illustrations at the times prior 2069 02:08:00.600 --> 02:08:03.880 to and after we keep it simple. Prior to nineteen 2070 02:08:03.960 --> 02:08:10.840 ninety four, South Africa produced more than double the electricity 2071 02:08:11.039 --> 02:08:15.840 produced by all of the rest of the now fifty 2072 02:08:15.880 --> 02:08:19.279 four countries of Africa, so one versus fifty three. But 2073 02:08:19.359 --> 02:08:21.760 at the time there weren't fifty four countries. I think 2074 02:08:21.760 --> 02:08:24.640 there were fifty two, so it was one versus fifty one. 2075 02:08:24.680 --> 02:08:28.159 So one country produced more than double all of the 2076 02:08:28.199 --> 02:08:32.800 electricity that the other fifty one put together were able 2077 02:08:32.880 --> 02:08:40.479 to produce. South Africa produced more than double the potable 2078 02:08:40.600 --> 02:08:45.520 water that the other fifty one countries of Africa were 2079 02:08:45.560 --> 02:08:50.920 able to produce. South Africa's standards of education for black 2080 02:08:50.960 --> 02:08:57.279 people were country miles ahead of the majority of African countries. 2081 02:08:58.319 --> 02:09:01.720 The Aparthe government provide. I did the famous four room 2082 02:09:02.439 --> 02:09:07.319 houses to all black families, the four room houses that 2083 02:09:07.359 --> 02:09:13.119 I've already described to you. Chris Hahni Baragwanath Hospital in 2084 02:09:13.239 --> 02:09:18.880 Soweto is or was, i should say, the largest hospital 2085 02:09:19.000 --> 02:09:23.800 in the world for decades and decades and decades. So 2086 02:09:23.840 --> 02:09:27.319 there were many features of a party that were far 2087 02:09:27.560 --> 02:09:35.640 more beneficial to Black Africans than freedom. Democracy, love, peace 2088 02:09:36.239 --> 02:09:40.840 and the wind blowing through your hair are to them now, 2089 02:09:41.800 --> 02:09:44.800 and I'll give you a few illustrations of the negatives. 2090 02:09:45.920 --> 02:09:49.119 In the week prior to my departure for the USA, 2091 02:09:50.520 --> 02:09:55.399 the daily rotational blackouts, every man, woman and child in 2092 02:09:55.439 --> 02:09:58.239 the country has the same, but it's staggered forty five 2093 02:09:58.279 --> 02:10:01.079 minutes for my suburb, then an hour and a half 2094 02:10:01.119 --> 02:10:03.079 for yours, then two and a half hour for the 2095 02:10:03.079 --> 02:10:09.159 next cup. But the national blackouts were nine and a 2096 02:10:09.239 --> 02:10:14.520 half hours a day no electricity, and in the previous 2097 02:10:14.600 --> 02:10:17.239 week to that they were eleven and a half hours 2098 02:10:17.279 --> 02:10:22.079 a day. Now, imagine trying to use a cell phone, 2099 02:10:24.119 --> 02:10:31.399 use the internet, run a machine shop, run a beauty parlor, 2100 02:10:32.359 --> 02:10:41.479 run a dollar store. Imagine trying to do schooling education, 2101 02:10:42.319 --> 02:10:49.840 Imagine trying to run a hospital with out electricity. It's 2102 02:10:49.880 --> 02:10:57.199 too much for your mind, Pete. It really is that bad. 2103 02:10:56.520 --> 02:11:01.439 The economy of Africa is absolutely dominated. And if anybody 2104 02:11:01.439 --> 02:11:04.720 would like to now take advantage of this opportunity to 2105 02:11:04.760 --> 02:11:09.239 pull up a map of Africa while I'm waffling, they 2106 02:11:09.279 --> 02:11:12.119 can do so very easily. Just type into Google or 2107 02:11:12.199 --> 02:11:16.159 open Google Earth. If you pull up a map of Africa, 2108 02:11:16.920 --> 02:11:20.800 zoom in to the bottom and hopefully you will be 2109 02:11:20.840 --> 02:11:25.800 able to identify the province of kW Teng. kW Teng 2110 02:11:26.079 --> 02:11:31.119 is a teeny tiny little province in South Africa, miniature, 2111 02:11:33.520 --> 02:11:44.880 and it produces almost one fifth of the GDP of 2112 02:11:45.439 --> 02:11:52.279 all of Africa to this day. Now imagine being the 2113 02:11:52.319 --> 02:11:55.399 province of kW Teng and the African National Congress says, 2114 02:11:56.039 --> 02:12:00.159 we and Africa really need you keep going, boy, but 2115 02:12:00.239 --> 02:12:05.800 we can't give you electricity. It's a flaming joke, Pete. 2116 02:12:06.479 --> 02:12:10.439 That is African National Congress rule. It is Africanist rule. 2117 02:12:10.439 --> 02:12:15.479 It's the rule of inability, the rule of incompetence, the 2118 02:12:15.600 --> 02:12:22.319 rule of lack, the rule of failure, the rule of poor, poor, 2119 02:12:22.880 --> 02:12:28.720 weak inferior eleven and a half hours a day, and 2120 02:12:28.840 --> 02:12:33.960 not three decades ago, South Africa was producing more than 2121 02:12:34.039 --> 02:12:37.760 double the electricity of all of the other countries of 2122 02:12:37.800 --> 02:12:43.159 Africa put together. That's African National Congress rule for you, Pete. 2123 02:12:44.920 --> 02:12:48.560 Is it incompetence or is it punishment or is it both? 2124 02:12:49.640 --> 02:12:52.279 I would say that it's both. I would say that 2125 02:12:52.760 --> 02:12:56.760 the punishment or the spitefulness has got a lot to 2126 02:12:56.800 --> 02:13:02.439 do with the global elites. So, at the risk of 2127 02:13:02.479 --> 02:13:06.560 saying something that becomes mystical and you know your audience 2128 02:13:06.560 --> 02:13:12.319 finds annoying, I think that by now any thoughtful person 2129 02:13:13.520 --> 02:13:18.000 has figured out for themselves that the COVID pandemic and 2130 02:13:18.079 --> 02:13:23.680 the clot shot program and many other things that occur 2131 02:13:23.760 --> 02:13:26.520 in the world are not do not occur at the 2132 02:13:26.560 --> 02:13:34.600 behest of the putative leaders. Joe Biden is not Joe 2133 02:13:34.680 --> 02:13:39.479 Biden's boss. And the list goes on that there is 2134 02:13:39.560 --> 02:13:42.800 some kind of a ruling elite. Is at the Rothschilds, 2135 02:13:42.960 --> 02:13:47.720 Is it the Rockefellers? Is it that we do? But 2136 02:13:47.840 --> 02:13:50.760 what we do know is that the African National Congress 2137 02:13:50.880 --> 02:13:57.840 is a communist party. We know that communism is derived 2138 02:13:57.920 --> 02:14:01.319 from tumundism. This is not you. Nobody knows it because 2139 02:14:01.359 --> 02:14:03.960 nobody likes to read. I know. 2140 02:14:05.760 --> 02:14:08.039 A lot of the listeners know it, right. 2141 02:14:08.520 --> 02:14:11.720 Cole Marx wrote extensively about how the first role of 2142 02:14:11.720 --> 02:14:17.319 communism was to destroy I'm referring now specifically to his 2143 02:14:17.439 --> 02:14:21.119 writings and the fourth critique of Hegel on this subject, 2144 02:14:21.680 --> 02:14:24.520 how the first and primary role of communism is to 2145 02:14:24.600 --> 02:14:30.159 destroy God in his manifestation on earth, which is the 2146 02:14:30.279 --> 02:14:33.560 Christian family. And so we know these things. So I 2147 02:14:33.640 --> 02:14:37.279 believe that the African National Congress is a tool for 2148 02:14:37.399 --> 02:14:43.199 destroying the very very conservative, very Christian African abour falk. 2149 02:14:44.039 --> 02:14:48.039 But I believe that they've been chosen suitably. You know, 2150 02:14:48.119 --> 02:14:52.520 It's one thing for me to choose as my chosen 2151 02:14:53.119 --> 02:14:59.399 instrument to saw a piece of wood a teaspoon. It's 2152 02:14:59.439 --> 02:15:02.800 another thing for me to choose, for the purposes of 2153 02:15:02.840 --> 02:15:07.720 sawing a piece of wood a wood saw, or even 2154 02:15:07.760 --> 02:15:12.000 a hack saw, or even for that matter, a chisel 2155 02:15:12.520 --> 02:15:16.039 to do some kind of piercing penetrating a job on 2156 02:15:16.520 --> 02:15:21.760 a piece of wood. I would say to you that 2157 02:15:22.600 --> 02:15:31.399 the African National Congress, by virtue of its inherent antipathy 2158 02:15:32.239 --> 02:15:38.880 for labor for industriousness, for productivity, for study. As the 2159 02:15:38.920 --> 02:15:44.720 great South African super liberal scholar Jimmy what is his name, Oh, 2160 02:15:44.960 --> 02:15:48.119 dear me, Simon. I'll think of his name in a minute. 2161 02:15:48.479 --> 02:15:50.880 As he said in a speech a few years ago, 2162 02:15:51.359 --> 02:15:55.840 the reality is that there is an absence of a 2163 02:15:56.000 --> 02:16:03.279 culture of learning in in black South Africa. He was 2164 02:16:03.359 --> 02:16:05.520 just saying it like it is, even though he's a 2165 02:16:05.560 --> 02:16:10.199 super liberal guy, and somebody had to sooner or later. 2166 02:16:10.720 --> 02:16:14.479 So I think that what global communism did, what the 2167 02:16:14.479 --> 02:16:19.359 elites did, what it's the rothschilds or that is say 2168 02:16:19.720 --> 02:16:23.560 in South Africa, we want these people to be destroyed 2169 02:16:23.560 --> 02:16:27.800 by those people. How do we go about it? And 2170 02:16:27.880 --> 02:16:32.520 somebody said, well, let's play to the strengths of those people. 2171 02:16:33.399 --> 02:16:39.280 We know that they that they hate industriousness and productivity, 2172 02:16:39.440 --> 02:16:45.239 we know that they are extremely vindictive people. Let us 2173 02:16:45.760 --> 02:16:49.840 allow them to use those particular qualities, to employ those 2174 02:16:49.920 --> 02:16:54.360 particular qualities. If they were a hammer, let them hammer 2175 02:16:55.120 --> 02:16:59.079 rather than saw, or rather than use them to eat yogurt, 2176 02:17:00.360 --> 02:17:04.440 lit them hemma the hammers. And I think that's what 2177 02:17:04.479 --> 02:17:07.680 we're seeing playing out in South Africa now as so 2178 02:17:07.920 --> 02:17:14.479 much collapses, education system collapsed, railway system absolutely collapsed, electricity 2179 02:17:14.520 --> 02:17:22.680 system completely collapsed, the government's administration system very much collapsed. 2180 02:17:23.680 --> 02:17:30.559 We've seen play out the natural extension of exploiting the 2181 02:17:30.600 --> 02:17:35.360 inherent qualities of the African National Congress as a communist 2182 02:17:35.399 --> 02:17:41.920 party in taking over the new South Africa or in creating, 2183 02:17:41.959 --> 02:17:44.200 if you like, the new South Africa Rainbow Nation. 2184 02:17:45.840 --> 02:17:48.319 This one is personal for me because as soon as 2185 02:17:48.360 --> 02:17:51.719 I found out about crowd Health, I became a member. 2186 02:17:52.159 --> 02:17:56.079 We all know how mind numbingly frustrating health insurance can be. 2187 02:17:56.360 --> 02:17:58.719 If you've ever gotten one of the statements in the 2188 02:17:58.719 --> 02:18:01.200 mail and you have no no idea how much you owe, 2189 02:18:01.200 --> 02:18:03.920 you have no idea how much is being paid for you, 2190 02:18:03.920 --> 02:18:07.159 you know exactly what I'm talking about. 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Well, gunfights, 2211 02:19:26.680 --> 02:19:31.280 I mean firefights in the streets. What happened then? Can 2212 02:19:31.719 --> 02:19:33.200 what can you describe it as happening? 2213 02:19:33.239 --> 02:19:33.399 Then? 2214 02:19:33.440 --> 02:19:34.200 What caused that? 2215 02:19:35.159 --> 02:19:37.319 Well? I should first point out to you that it 2216 02:19:37.319 --> 02:19:43.600 has since come out in numerous liberal media that those 2217 02:19:43.680 --> 02:19:49.200 events are regarded by those in the know as a 2218 02:19:49.239 --> 02:19:54.200 rehearsal for revolution, and people who are interested in the 2219 02:19:54.239 --> 02:19:58.680 subject are welcome to look up the following search term 2220 02:19:59.399 --> 02:20:05.479 as one of me. Any examples the Daily Maverick July 2221 02:20:05.719 --> 02:20:14.079 Riots twenty twenty one rehearsal for revolution. There's a numerous 2222 02:20:14.120 --> 02:20:18.920 special reports on the subject, tremendous evidence for the fact 2223 02:20:18.959 --> 02:20:23.040 that it was really, when all is said and done, 2224 02:20:23.319 --> 02:20:30.159 a covert rehearsal for a later revolution. But ostensibly, on 2225 02:20:30.200 --> 02:20:33.879 the surface of it, it was a matter of the 2226 02:20:33.920 --> 02:20:39.000 former president, Jacob Zumer having to go to jail, and 2227 02:20:39.079 --> 02:20:43.719 him refusing to go to jail, and him being kind 2228 02:20:43.760 --> 02:20:49.239 of semi forced, and eventually in going to jail, it 2229 02:20:49.479 --> 02:20:53.760 caused his supporters to go berserk. And for I think 2230 02:20:53.760 --> 02:20:57.719 it was eight nights. I think it was the sixth 2231 02:20:57.719 --> 02:21:01.959 to the fourteenth, if I remember correctly, eighth to the sixteenth. Anyway, 2232 02:21:02.120 --> 02:21:07.319 I believe it was eight nights of rioting occurred. You know, 2233 02:21:07.360 --> 02:21:11.200 people Zulu people were very unhappy that the first Zulu 2234 02:21:11.319 --> 02:21:16.639 president of South Africa, the Zulus being well being the 2235 02:21:16.719 --> 02:21:20.959 largest ethnic group of South Africa, very unhappy that the 2236 02:21:21.360 --> 02:21:23.840 poor man had to go to jail for his many 2237 02:21:23.840 --> 02:21:28.959 and many, many, many and various crimes ranging from admitted 2238 02:21:29.280 --> 02:21:34.719 rape to well everything else under the sun. So they 2239 02:21:34.760 --> 02:21:39.200 went on this rampage and they looted and pillaged and 2240 02:21:39.319 --> 02:21:45.760 marauded and burned and so on and destroyed what in 2241 02:21:45.840 --> 02:21:49.920 South African terms, I'm not going to even attempt to convert, 2242 02:21:50.040 --> 02:21:53.920 you know, give an exchange rate, because it's misleading. If 2243 02:21:54.000 --> 02:21:56.200 I said it was ten billion dollars worth of damaged, 2244 02:21:56.200 --> 02:21:58.079 people would sy, oh, it's only ten billion dollars. In 2245 02:21:58.360 --> 02:22:05.399 South Africa terms, that means everything. So it just destroyed 2246 02:22:05.440 --> 02:22:10.319 a lot, and there was a lot of violence not 2247 02:22:10.360 --> 02:22:12.719 only that took place that I'm describing to, but that 2248 02:22:12.840 --> 02:22:18.680 came out of it. So what happened was that the 2249 02:22:18.719 --> 02:22:22.399 black people went on the rampage and the Indian We 2250 02:22:22.600 --> 02:22:28.520 have the largest population of Indians from India outside of 2251 02:22:28.520 --> 02:22:32.159 India in the world. When I say we that province 2252 02:22:32.200 --> 02:22:37.120 the surrounds. It's where I grew up. So I grew 2253 02:22:37.200 --> 02:22:42.159 up knowing and seeing, regardless of Aparte, just who was there, 2254 02:22:42.200 --> 02:22:46.440 who was in the street, who was whatever behind the counter? 2255 02:22:47.959 --> 02:22:51.879 Far more Indian people than black people there. The Indian 2256 02:22:51.920 --> 02:22:55.360 people outnumber the Zulu people the black people in that 2257 02:22:55.479 --> 02:23:04.239 immediate vicinity around those cities. And as the riots grew 2258 02:23:06.159 --> 02:23:11.559 or picked up pace, the perpetrators became emboldened, and they 2259 02:23:11.600 --> 02:23:20.159 began to enter white and Indian neighborhoods. So the neighborhoods 2260 02:23:20.200 --> 02:23:25.280 from apart eight days have obviously changed tremendously. It's nothing 2261 02:23:25.399 --> 02:23:27.319 like it used to be, but you still have these 2262 02:23:27.399 --> 02:23:31.959 kind of you know, this is traditionally where the Indian 2263 02:23:32.000 --> 02:23:36.040 people were obliged by law to live. That's traditionally where 2264 02:23:36.079 --> 02:23:38.879 the black people were obliged by law to live. That 2265 02:23:39.040 --> 02:23:41.559 is traditionally where the colored people, that is to say, 2266 02:23:41.559 --> 02:23:44.600 the mixed race people who insist upon being called colored, 2267 02:23:45.200 --> 02:23:48.920 where the colored people lived, and the whites and so on, 2268 02:23:49.639 --> 02:23:53.639 and so these zulus began to enter these areas, and 2269 02:23:53.760 --> 02:23:58.879 the whites and the Indians began to form sort of 2270 02:23:58.959 --> 02:24:06.479 vigilante defense committees, and they killed many, many, many, many 2271 02:24:06.760 --> 02:24:12.000 many black people, which upset the African National Congress no end. 2272 02:24:12.200 --> 02:24:15.879 The reasoning of the African National Congress was, if a 2273 02:24:16.000 --> 02:24:22.879 thousand people approach your suburb, to rape your wife into 2274 02:24:23.040 --> 02:24:28.000 to plunder your house, your first resort should not be 2275 02:24:28.120 --> 02:24:30.479 to shoot them dead. It should be to give way. 2276 02:24:30.520 --> 02:24:33.479 And who knows what, I don't think you know, anybody 2277 02:24:33.520 --> 02:24:37.239 in the African National Congress has ever explained exactly how 2278 02:24:37.280 --> 02:24:40.360 the matter should have been handled, But it has since 2279 02:24:40.399 --> 02:24:46.600 become a matter of huge racial tension, enormous racial tension 2280 02:24:47.159 --> 02:24:50.360 between particularly the Indians and the black people, to a 2281 02:24:50.440 --> 02:24:53.879 lesser extent, the whites and the Blacks, most particularly the Indians. 2282 02:24:54.440 --> 02:24:57.239 There's a level of hatred that now exists between those 2283 02:24:57.319 --> 02:25:01.799 two racial population groups. Yes, but we're talking at more 2284 02:25:01.840 --> 02:25:05.399 localized levels. So let's call them those two racial communities 2285 02:25:06.399 --> 02:25:12.680 that has historically probably never existed because the Indians stood 2286 02:25:12.760 --> 02:25:14.879 up for themselves and said this far and no further, 2287 02:25:14.920 --> 02:25:18.319 you're not coming over our garden wall. Excuse my language, 2288 02:25:18.559 --> 02:25:20.399 I beg your pardon, Pete. 2289 02:25:20.639 --> 02:25:23.200 So when we were talking on the phone the other day, 2290 02:25:23.360 --> 02:25:27.120 you made it very clear to me that with everything 2291 02:25:27.159 --> 02:25:29.799 you had described in the beginning, why don't you give here, 2292 02:25:29.879 --> 02:25:31.879 let's do this. Why don't you give an overview of 2293 02:25:32.120 --> 02:25:35.079 what you were talking about as far as the Geneva convention, 2294 02:25:35.840 --> 02:25:43.760 and it's basically its preparation for what you know is 2295 02:25:43.840 --> 02:25:45.159 going to happen in the future. 2296 02:25:46.000 --> 02:25:49.959 Firstly, let me quickly say that the elderly liberal and 2297 02:25:50.159 --> 02:25:55.479 very famous Oxford Oxford University scholar to whom I was 2298 02:25:55.559 --> 02:26:04.159 referring earlier. Whom I was quoting earlier is our W. R. W. Johnson. Yes, 2299 02:26:05.479 --> 02:26:09.920 following World War Two, the Geneva or not the a 2300 02:26:10.200 --> 02:26:13.319 Geneva Conventions. There are a number of Geneva Conventions that 2301 02:26:13.360 --> 02:26:17.920 extend back to the eighteen hundreds, but the most recent 2302 02:26:18.040 --> 02:26:23.680 iteration of the Geneva Conventions was drafted to govern the 2303 02:26:23.719 --> 02:26:30.280 prosecution of war. So the nations of the world came 2304 02:26:30.319 --> 02:26:33.000 together and said, look, we had the First World War 2305 02:26:33.040 --> 02:26:36.360 and there was that chlorine gas must have gased. That 2306 02:26:36.479 --> 02:26:40.079 wasn't very nice. And now we've had the Second World 2307 02:26:40.159 --> 02:26:44.639 War in Collie g some of the things that happened 2308 02:26:45.440 --> 02:26:48.399 a little bit on the nasty side. Perhaps we should 2309 02:26:50.239 --> 02:26:54.239 write some treaties, some laws to ensure that we're not 2310 02:26:54.319 --> 02:26:57.559 quite so horrible to one another next time round. And 2311 02:26:57.680 --> 02:27:02.479 so in nineteen forty nine the Geneva Conventions of nineteen 2312 02:27:02.559 --> 02:27:08.520 forty nine were ratified. Fast forward twenty eight years, and 2313 02:27:08.600 --> 02:27:11.719 by nineteen seventy seven it had been recognized that there 2314 02:27:11.719 --> 02:27:16.440 were a number of meaningful loopholes in the Geneva Conventions 2315 02:27:16.440 --> 02:27:21.799 of nineteen forty nine. So the protocols Additional Protocols one, 2316 02:27:22.040 --> 02:27:26.719 two and three are known as the Protocols Additional of 2317 02:27:26.840 --> 02:27:32.040 nineteen seventy seven to the Geneva Conventions of nineteen forty 2318 02:27:32.159 --> 02:27:39.000 nine were ratified, and those three protocols pay attention particularly 2319 02:27:40.760 --> 02:27:47.920 to the circumstances of civilians in conflict. So they addressed many, many, many, 2320 02:27:47.920 --> 02:27:54.360 many many features of what parties what they call parties 2321 02:27:54.360 --> 02:27:59.079 to a conflict may and may not do with particular 2322 02:27:59.159 --> 02:28:05.120 reference to civilians to non parties to a conflict. And 2323 02:28:05.319 --> 02:28:11.079 we sat Lunders have constituted ourselves under those provisions of 2324 02:28:11.120 --> 02:28:16.479 the Protocols Additional to the Geneva Conventions. One of the 2325 02:28:16.559 --> 02:28:21.280 things that they provide for is for identifiable ethnic groups. Now, 2326 02:28:21.319 --> 02:28:25.479 identifiable ethnic group doesn't mean that, you know, if I'm 2327 02:28:25.639 --> 02:28:29.159 if I'm black, or if I'm very black, or if 2328 02:28:29.200 --> 02:28:32.719 I'm not, if I'm like black, or whatever it means. 2329 02:28:33.120 --> 02:28:37.200 It means more than just that. It means language and 2330 02:28:37.239 --> 02:28:40.840 culture and religion and profession. What do I profess to be. 2331 02:28:41.920 --> 02:28:47.920 I'm a Muslim, speak Bosnian with which is a South 2332 02:28:47.959 --> 02:28:52.600 Slavic language, and I say I'm a Bosnian couse of art. 2333 02:28:52.639 --> 02:28:59.479 That's who I am. That's the identification of me. Identifiable 2334 02:28:59.559 --> 02:29:08.840 ethnic groups are permitted to pursue the preparations for the 2335 02:29:08.879 --> 02:29:15.520 erection of national emergency plans or emergency plans for their people. 2336 02:29:16.239 --> 02:29:19.239 In the event I'm just going to shift a lamp 2337 02:29:19.280 --> 02:29:24.120 that's burning my eyes in the event of international and 2338 02:29:24.479 --> 02:29:29.000 non international conflict. But there's one strict proviso, and that 2339 02:29:29.200 --> 02:29:34.520 is that those parties have to become or those actors, 2340 02:29:34.600 --> 02:29:38.879 let's say those actors have to become non parties to 2341 02:29:38.959 --> 02:29:45.959 a conflict. So if there was a civil war in 2342 02:29:46.000 --> 02:29:50.200 South Africa, civil war broke out tomorrow, Sat London's would say, 2343 02:29:51.000 --> 02:29:53.799 we don't want to be a part of this. Otherwise 2344 02:29:53.959 --> 02:29:58.440 we're going to lose. The IGIs the protection of international 2345 02:29:58.520 --> 02:30:03.079 law and heard a nice national emergency plan for ourselves. 2346 02:30:03.239 --> 02:30:07.399 So we're going to withdraw from the conflict and establish 2347 02:30:07.440 --> 02:30:13.159 a safe zone, erect a perimeter, a defended a defensible 2348 02:30:13.200 --> 02:30:18.639 and defended perimeter that's perfectly legal, but not be proactive, 2349 02:30:19.159 --> 02:30:22.840 not be a protagonist in the conflict whatsoever. We will 2350 02:30:23.079 --> 02:30:30.760 merely defend this perimeter and as I've already said, become 2351 02:30:30.840 --> 02:30:35.959 a non party to the conflict. And that's the gist 2352 02:30:36.000 --> 02:30:43.840 of it. The Geneva Conventions, the protocols, additional the provisions 2353 02:30:44.239 --> 02:30:48.639 for identifiable ethnic groups to prepare for a conflict and 2354 02:30:48.680 --> 02:30:52.479 then how they must act. What is the nature of 2355 02:30:56.600 --> 02:30:58.559 that protection, What does it mean. It means that I 2356 02:30:58.639 --> 02:31:00.920 must withdraw from the conflict, I must be a non 2357 02:31:01.040 --> 02:31:03.639 party to it. But it also means that I can 2358 02:31:04.079 --> 02:31:06.840 establish a safe area and defend it. 2359 02:31:09.200 --> 02:31:12.559 Simon, when we talked the other day, you you made 2360 02:31:12.559 --> 02:31:17.360 it very clear that you you didn't have a white 2361 02:31:17.360 --> 02:31:20.079 pill for me. You you made it clear that you 2362 02:31:20.200 --> 02:31:23.239 think that what's going to happen in South Africa is 2363 02:31:23.280 --> 02:31:27.719 going to be the absolute worst possible thing that could happen, 2364 02:31:27.760 --> 02:31:33.360 and that is civil war, violence and murder, everything that 2365 02:31:33.399 --> 02:31:36.639 comes along with it. So why don't you tell everybody 2366 02:31:36.680 --> 02:31:39.559 why you think there is no there's no saving it, 2367 02:31:40.360 --> 02:31:42.159 there's no getting past that. 2368 02:31:43.879 --> 02:31:50.920 Well, at the risk of answering you in an evasive man, 2369 02:31:50.959 --> 02:31:53.360 I don't think that Demons is going to be evasive 2370 02:31:53.399 --> 02:31:56.399 in the end at all. But I'll begin by saying this. 2371 02:31:57.959 --> 02:32:02.879 When I told you this to in twenty nineteen, I 2372 02:32:02.959 --> 02:32:10.040 was the main speaker at the annual party of a 2373 02:32:10.159 --> 02:32:16.360 prominent organization in the USA, the annual Birthday Party, and 2374 02:32:16.440 --> 02:32:20.799 I fell very ill the day before and I was 2375 02:32:20.840 --> 02:32:23.159 so ill that I couldn't read the speech I'd written, 2376 02:32:24.239 --> 02:32:26.959 couldn't focus my eyes on the page. And so I 2377 02:32:27.000 --> 02:32:29.559 walked up on stage and I said, well, here's my speech, 2378 02:32:29.559 --> 02:32:32.280 and I showed to them, all written out in Longhand, 2379 02:32:32.360 --> 02:32:35.440 as I like to do, and I said, but I 2380 02:32:35.479 --> 02:32:37.799 can't focus my eyes on the page. Hang over. Sorry, 2381 02:32:37.840 --> 02:32:39.719 I'm just going to stand here. I'm going to ramble 2382 02:32:39.760 --> 02:32:42.159 and waffle for a bit and then I'm going to 2383 02:32:42.200 --> 02:32:46.440 have to leave. I'm sorry, I'm very very ill. And 2384 02:32:46.639 --> 02:32:48.879 so I just started talking about this, that and the 2385 02:32:48.920 --> 02:32:54.200 next thing, and at some point I said, what is 2386 02:32:54.360 --> 02:33:00.840 clear is that violence, widespread violence, will break out in 2387 02:33:00.959 --> 02:33:07.639 the USA in the very near future. After the speech, 2388 02:33:07.760 --> 02:33:10.680 I was invited up to somebody's hotel room. The event 2389 02:33:10.680 --> 02:33:15.159 took place in a hotel, and this very distinguished gentleman said, 2390 02:33:15.319 --> 02:33:17.760 why don't you come up and have a chat with 2391 02:33:18.600 --> 02:33:21.159 me and my friend. I said, oh, what a privilege, 2392 02:33:21.200 --> 02:33:24.200 what a lovely invitation. And I went up and here 2393 02:33:24.399 --> 02:33:27.319 and his friend were chatting, and I sat and listened 2394 02:33:27.360 --> 02:33:30.719 to their wise words. And at some point the friend, 2395 02:33:32.239 --> 02:33:36.040 again a very very distinguished gentleman, looked up at me 2396 02:33:36.239 --> 02:33:40.079 from under his eyebrows like that and told me how 2397 02:33:40.159 --> 02:33:43.159 he was, how offended he was, or how much he 2398 02:33:43.319 --> 02:33:48.120 disagreed anyway with my allegation that there would be widespread 2399 02:33:48.200 --> 02:33:53.760 violence in the USA in the foreseeable future. Three months later, 2400 02:33:53.959 --> 02:33:57.319 the Portland Riots broke out. Five people from this audience. 2401 02:33:58.799 --> 02:34:01.920 After the Portland Riot broke out three months later, they 2402 02:34:01.959 --> 02:34:05.639 sent me messages saying, how my name is fred I 2403 02:34:05.879 --> 02:34:07.680 was in the audience, blah blah blah. I got your 2404 02:34:07.760 --> 02:34:10.440 number from Joe Hope. You don't mind me sending you 2405 02:34:10.479 --> 02:34:15.719 a message? How did you know? We're not gurus, we 2406 02:34:15.799 --> 02:34:18.719 don't have some special gift pet but we've kind of 2407 02:34:18.719 --> 02:34:22.079 watched this movie before, and we know how society breaks up. 2408 02:34:22.239 --> 02:34:32.760 We know how society fractures, how schisms form overnight in society. 2409 02:34:33.319 --> 02:34:36.280 And it was apparent to me, having spent a lot 2410 02:34:36.319 --> 02:34:39.760 of time in the USA in twenty seventeen, eighteen, and nineteen, 2411 02:34:40.280 --> 02:34:45.760 that there were certain levels of tension that were absolutely irremediable, 2412 02:34:46.399 --> 02:34:50.040 They couldn't be remedied, and they were at one another. 2413 02:34:50.079 --> 02:34:52.159 They were at one another in the newspapers, and they 2414 02:34:52.159 --> 02:34:54.120 were at one another. Given a speech a few months 2415 02:34:54.159 --> 02:34:58.000 before in Tennessee at which there were three hundred protesters 2416 02:34:58.079 --> 02:35:02.280 going berserk. All these best swimming I'm sorry to say. 2417 02:35:02.360 --> 02:35:05.920 I mean, you know, God made them. Far be it 2418 02:35:05.959 --> 02:35:10.799 from me, but not only a beast generally ugly with 2419 02:35:11.000 --> 02:35:15.760 purple hair and rings through their eyeballs, and who knows 2420 02:35:15.840 --> 02:35:20.440 where else screamy shut here. And one guy standing next 2421 02:35:20.440 --> 02:35:23.719 to me there was a police court, a huge police 2422 02:35:23.719 --> 02:35:25.920 cordon that one guy standing next to me said, you 2423 02:35:26.000 --> 02:35:27.680 know that they're here for you, don't you know? I 2424 02:35:27.680 --> 02:35:31.159 looked at it in astonishment. You're joking, said yeah, yeah, yeah, 2425 02:35:31.159 --> 02:35:33.120 he said. The other speakers, you know they wouldn't be here. 2426 02:35:34.920 --> 02:35:42.520 The point is that we when there's that level of hatred, 2427 02:35:42.959 --> 02:35:47.000 the three hundred people come to a hotel to throw 2428 02:35:47.120 --> 02:35:53.879 bricks and glass bottles and to wallow in their filthy obesity, 2429 02:35:54.440 --> 02:35:58.680 and before your very eyes, to prove a point. It's 2430 02:35:58.840 --> 02:36:01.879 it's difficult to turn the clock backwards. It's difficult for 2431 02:36:01.959 --> 02:36:04.920 that thing to kind of go away. What tends to 2432 02:36:04.959 --> 02:36:09.079 happen is that it matures and festers and eventually begins 2433 02:36:09.120 --> 02:36:13.200 to suppurate, like an over developed boil or not to 2434 02:36:13.239 --> 02:36:15.920 be common, but it's some kind of pimple that hasn't 2435 02:36:15.920 --> 02:36:19.920 been attended as it should have been. It doesn't just 2436 02:36:20.040 --> 02:36:27.360 magically disappear. And we believe the same of South Africa. 2437 02:36:27.680 --> 02:36:31.799 We believe that the degree and the extent of the 2438 02:36:31.879 --> 02:36:34.520 crisis in South Africa now is such that it can't 2439 02:36:34.559 --> 02:36:44.559 be fixed. In twenty sixteen, Tuesday, Tuesday, the sixth of November, 2440 02:36:44.559 --> 02:36:48.360 if I'm not mistaken, maybe no, maybe perhaps it was 2441 02:36:48.360 --> 02:36:52.479 a Thursday. I'll forget. The leader of our Marxist political party, 2442 02:36:52.559 --> 02:36:57.280 Julius Malema, famously said I'm not calling for the slaughter 2443 02:36:57.360 --> 02:37:00.399 of all whites, at least for now. I think that 2444 02:37:00.600 --> 02:37:02.520 was verbate and what he said, and he's repeated that 2445 02:37:02.559 --> 02:37:09.239 many times since. And at the thirteenth birthday celebrations of 2446 02:37:09.280 --> 02:37:13.680 that political party, the Economic Freedom Fighters this year in 2447 02:37:13.719 --> 02:37:20.799 the famous FNB Stadium in Soweto, Johannesburg, before one hundred 2448 02:37:20.840 --> 02:37:23.200 thousand people. And there's a reason why, I, as a 2449 02:37:23.200 --> 02:37:26.280 longtime projects manager for very huge events, can tell you 2450 02:37:26.319 --> 02:37:30.000 with some authority that the number was almost certainly one 2451 02:37:30.079 --> 02:37:34.760 hundred thousand people. Before one hundred thousand people sang the 2452 02:37:34.840 --> 02:37:38.200 song kill the Farmer, Kill the Boer for the umpteenth time. 2453 02:37:39.079 --> 02:37:44.079 It's highly provocative and on the second of June of 2454 02:37:44.120 --> 02:37:48.959 this year, our President, while speaking as the guest of 2455 02:37:49.000 --> 02:37:54.639 honor or the main speaker at the annual conference of 2456 02:37:54.680 --> 02:37:59.840 the African National Congress Youth League, said it may be 2457 02:38:00.239 --> 02:38:02.360 that in the near future we are not able to 2458 02:38:02.479 --> 02:38:09.399 hold on to power, and we will require you to 2459 02:38:09.520 --> 02:38:20.840 become the militant youth, such as the Youth League, the 2460 02:38:20.879 --> 02:38:24.479 youth of the African National Congress of the fifties, sixty 2461 02:38:24.559 --> 02:38:27.600 seventies and eighties. And he went on, and what he 2462 02:38:27.680 --> 02:38:34.440 was saying is that our polling figures for next year's elections, 2463 02:38:34.440 --> 02:38:36.840 there will be an election on roughly the twenty seventh 2464 02:38:36.840 --> 02:38:42.159 of April next year. The precise date is not yet appointed. 2465 02:38:44.120 --> 02:38:47.159 If we've what he was alluding to is the fact 2466 02:38:47.200 --> 02:38:49.200 that in recent months has come out at the ANC 2467 02:38:49.360 --> 02:38:53.440 for the first time has ever has significantly less than 2468 02:38:53.479 --> 02:38:57.200 fifty percent of the vote, perhaps as low as thirty five, 2469 02:38:57.319 --> 02:39:02.200 thirty six percent or will get You're saying that if 2470 02:39:02.959 --> 02:39:06.000 we do not win the elections, we're going to have 2471 02:39:06.239 --> 02:39:10.680 a proper revolution his words, not mine. In other words, 2472 02:39:10.719 --> 02:39:17.360 a real, actual, violent Marxist Leninist revolution. And we sat 2473 02:39:17.440 --> 02:39:20.360 Landers believe that that has been that writing has been 2474 02:39:20.399 --> 02:39:24.440 on the wall since forever. The fact that the mainstream 2475 02:39:24.479 --> 02:39:27.000 media can only see it now and report it now, 2476 02:39:27.360 --> 02:39:31.840 and the fact that academia is only now obliged by 2477 02:39:31.879 --> 02:39:37.200 the latency of it, the conspicuousness of it, the undeniability 2478 02:39:37.239 --> 02:39:41.000 of it, to acknowledge it doesn't mean that it hasn't 2479 02:39:41.040 --> 02:39:43.639 been there. It has been there since forever. 2480 02:39:44.319 --> 02:39:52.559 It was always just a matter of time before the 2481 02:39:52.600 --> 02:39:54.600 new South Africa Rainbow Nation. 2482 02:39:56.159 --> 02:40:04.760 Became very much less tenable than the world believed and 2483 02:40:04.879 --> 02:40:10.120 proclaimed it to be in the late eighties, the early 2484 02:40:10.239 --> 02:40:12.879 nineties and nineteen ninety four. In the late eighties and 2485 02:40:12.959 --> 02:40:15.680 early nineties, you will remember all across the world there 2486 02:40:15.719 --> 02:40:20.639 was a chorus of praise for how wonderful Nelson Mandela was, 2487 02:40:20.680 --> 02:40:23.559 and how great an anc government would be, and how 2488 02:40:23.600 --> 02:40:26.879 the wind would blow better, and our hair would blow 2489 02:40:26.959 --> 02:40:30.440 better in the wind, and the daisies would smell nicer, 2490 02:40:30.680 --> 02:40:34.040 and the money would grow on the trees more abundantly, 2491 02:40:34.159 --> 02:40:40.639 and these, you know, hopelessly unrealistic superlatives that were used 2492 02:40:40.639 --> 02:40:44.159 to describe the idol, the idyll that would be the 2493 02:40:44.159 --> 02:40:48.680 new South Africa Rainbow Nation. And for a long time 2494 02:40:48.840 --> 02:40:52.559 people like myself and our leader, mister Gustaf Mala, the 2495 02:40:52.639 --> 02:40:57.639 founder of our organization. I'm merely his employee, have said, 2496 02:40:57.680 --> 02:41:01.559 you know what, this is not right, is not right. 2497 02:41:03.120 --> 02:41:06.719 You know, the murder rate in the USA is roughly 2498 02:41:07.280 --> 02:41:11.959 five per one hundred thousand per year. Five people of 2499 02:41:12.040 --> 02:41:17.799 every one hundred thousand are killed in intentional homicide, as 2500 02:41:17.799 --> 02:41:23.239 the United Nations calls it. Every year. In South Africa 2501 02:41:23.760 --> 02:41:33.000 it's thirty nine thirty eight point something. The USA is 2502 02:41:33.040 --> 02:41:40.959 supposed to be this gun mad, blood lusting society. You 2503 02:41:41.000 --> 02:41:45.000 guys haven't a clue. In fact, you don't try very 2504 02:41:45.000 --> 02:41:50.440 hard at all. Your desire to butcher somebody and drink 2505 02:41:50.479 --> 02:41:54.559 their blood, your desire to cut open a woman, or 2506 02:41:54.600 --> 02:42:02.440 to murder a child, or to savagely slaughter an elderly person, 2507 02:42:03.000 --> 02:42:08.600 is I would say, decidedly tepid. You are lukewarm, Pete. 2508 02:42:09.680 --> 02:42:12.680 And it seems to me that you're given a great 2509 02:42:12.719 --> 02:42:15.959 deal of credit for something that you're not actually doing, 2510 02:42:16.719 --> 02:42:20.040 and you should perhaps make a little bit more effort 2511 02:42:20.440 --> 02:42:22.959 if you wish to deserve the credit that you have 2512 02:42:23.440 --> 02:42:28.520 in the whole effing world for being the most bloodthirsty 2513 02:42:28.600 --> 02:42:32.440 people ever born. Going by the amount of attention that 2514 02:42:32.559 --> 02:42:35.719 is given to the USA and every shooting and every 2515 02:42:36.040 --> 02:42:39.799 murder and every FBI file and the top ten wanted 2516 02:42:39.840 --> 02:42:43.360 and all these stupid programs that you thrust down the 2517 02:42:43.440 --> 02:42:47.079 throats of national broadcasters all around the entire world, that 2518 02:42:47.159 --> 02:42:50.719 we all have to watch your crap. You should put 2519 02:42:50.760 --> 02:42:54.239 in a little bit more effort, because it seems that 2520 02:42:55.040 --> 02:43:00.319 your your claim to fame is very much exaggerated. On 2521 02:43:00.360 --> 02:43:04.399 the other hand, know a thing or two about murder, rape, 2522 02:43:04.879 --> 02:43:09.520 the butchery of children and so on. And you know, 2523 02:43:09.559 --> 02:43:13.239 I'm being facetious and sarcastic now, and it's not very 2524 02:43:13.239 --> 02:43:15.840 classy of me, but that's that's the way that it is. 2525 02:43:15.879 --> 02:43:18.920 You know, we hear people waffling on and on about 2526 02:43:19.639 --> 02:43:24.159 the ANC and I mean a bigger part the USA 2527 02:43:24.319 --> 02:43:27.600 and the Second Amendment and all of this crap, and 2528 02:43:27.639 --> 02:43:30.040 we think to ourselves, you have in a flipping clue, 2529 02:43:30.079 --> 02:43:32.799 come come to the country that you insisted was going 2530 02:43:32.840 --> 02:43:37.079 to be the bit because it was principally American politicians 2531 02:43:37.159 --> 02:43:42.479 above all others, and American media that really like feeding 2532 02:43:43.200 --> 02:43:48.040 a goose, force feeding a goose to make pate fois gras, 2533 02:43:49.040 --> 02:43:54.360 that force fed the world the narrative of the unimpeachable 2534 02:43:54.920 --> 02:43:58.959 and impeccable nature of the of the African National Congress 2535 02:43:59.319 --> 02:44:04.559 and the fourth coming New South Africa, Rainbow Nation, New 2536 02:44:04.559 --> 02:44:07.959 South Africa Rainbow Nation years. So come and have a look, 2537 02:44:09.079 --> 02:44:10.079 and then you tell. 2538 02:44:10.000 --> 02:44:13.520 Me, well, you had mentioned that you believe that the 2539 02:44:13.559 --> 02:44:17.920 twenty twenty one violence which took it's recorded three hundred 2540 02:44:17.959 --> 02:44:23.959 and fifty four deaths in those riots. Our riots in 2541 02:44:24.000 --> 02:44:29.319 twenty twenty took ten percent of that. I would say 2542 02:44:29.360 --> 02:44:32.760 that if they are gearing up for that kind of 2543 02:44:32.840 --> 02:44:38.000 revolution in this country, we're probably looking for something similar 2544 02:44:38.079 --> 02:44:40.760 to what you experienced in twenty twenty one before the 2545 02:44:40.760 --> 02:44:43.959 whole big thing kicks off. If they try, I mean 2546 02:44:44.000 --> 02:44:47.000 it's a little harder. I think it's a little harder 2547 02:44:47.079 --> 02:44:50.120 here because the country's so big and it's so spread out. 2548 02:44:50.440 --> 02:44:53.440 We have federalism, a lot of states have different laws, 2549 02:44:53.559 --> 02:44:57.000 things like that. But it does look like that there 2550 02:44:57.719 --> 02:45:00.399 could be full sections of the country that could fall 2551 02:45:00.520 --> 02:45:04.760 into exactly what you what you described and even worse 2552 02:45:05.639 --> 02:45:07.520 than what you're expecting in the future. 2553 02:45:08.399 --> 02:45:14.360 Yeah, there's no question about it. The you can't reconcile 2554 02:45:15.239 --> 02:45:20.760 the United States of America to itself. The inherent contradictions 2555 02:45:20.799 --> 02:45:24.360 are just so great that there's no fixing what you 2556 02:45:24.559 --> 02:45:28.600 have now, Pete. I'm not saying that the United States 2557 02:45:28.639 --> 02:45:31.959 is going to evolve into civil war the day after tomorrow. 2558 02:45:32.680 --> 02:45:36.799 And even if I was saying that, I would I 2559 02:45:36.799 --> 02:45:41.079 would say the United States is going to devolve into 2560 02:45:41.079 --> 02:45:43.399 civil war the day after tomorrow. But I don't think 2561 02:45:43.399 --> 02:45:45.159 it's going to be bad, you know. So I'm not 2562 02:45:45.200 --> 02:45:47.319 saying that it's going to be it's going to happen soon, 2563 02:45:47.680 --> 02:45:49.360 or even that it's going to be the worst of 2564 02:45:49.399 --> 02:45:52.600 the worst of the worst. But I am saying that 2565 02:45:52.719 --> 02:46:03.639 as time goes by, this crisis of of self hatred 2566 02:46:04.879 --> 02:46:06.760 for want of a better expression, I'll try to think 2567 02:46:06.760 --> 02:46:11.239 of a better phrase, shall become more and more and 2568 02:46:11.360 --> 02:46:17.639 more intractable. It will become more and more difficult to 2569 02:46:17.760 --> 02:46:22.639 turn the clock back to the day before the Roe 2570 02:46:22.719 --> 02:46:26.000 versus Wade decision in nineteen seventy two. It will become 2571 02:46:26.040 --> 02:46:28.959 more and more difficult to turn the clock back to 2572 02:46:29.040 --> 02:46:34.920 the day before the series of legal decisions in US 2573 02:46:35.000 --> 02:46:38.959 courts of the late eighties and early nineties that have 2574 02:46:39.040 --> 02:46:43.000 set the precedent for the divorce laws that obtain in 2575 02:46:43.040 --> 02:46:46.760 the USA. Now it will become more and more difficult 2576 02:46:47.280 --> 02:46:50.719 for you to turn the clock back to the days 2577 02:46:50.760 --> 02:46:55.600 before blatant lesbian, gay whatever you lg X y Z, 2578 02:46:55.760 --> 02:47:04.239 whatever it's called being almost or in some cases foisted 2579 02:47:04.399 --> 02:47:08.360 upon children. That is not going to happen. Real life, 2580 02:47:08.360 --> 02:47:12.799 in the real world doesn't work like that. So the 2581 02:47:12.959 --> 02:47:19.840 likelihood is that this schism will continue, will continue to rupture, 2582 02:47:20.639 --> 02:47:25.479 and in so doing rupture more severely, and eventually it's 2583 02:47:25.520 --> 02:47:29.799 going to lead to a major event in the USA. 2584 02:47:29.840 --> 02:47:35.079 And I'm not qualified. I'm not clairvoyant, you know, so 2585 02:47:35.120 --> 02:47:38.520 I'm not qualified to say exactly what is but what 2586 02:47:38.559 --> 02:47:42.959 it is. But let me put it to you this way. 2587 02:47:43.079 --> 02:47:48.399 The US national debt seven years ago two thousand and 2588 02:47:49.399 --> 02:47:53.239 twenty three minus seven will be twenty and sixteen. The 2589 02:47:53.360 --> 02:47:57.799 US national debt was nineteen point eight trillion dollars, so 2590 02:47:57.879 --> 02:48:06.040 between seventeen seventy six. I know that Americans celebrate the 2591 02:48:06.079 --> 02:48:10.319 fourth of July, but the last signatory, the last signatures 2592 02:48:10.360 --> 02:48:13.879 to the document were in October of seventeen seventy six, 2593 02:48:14.600 --> 02:48:18.159 So from October seventeen seventy six, when the Republic was 2594 02:48:18.440 --> 02:48:25.760 properly implemented, until two thy and sixteen. Through World wars, 2595 02:48:26.040 --> 02:48:31.239 through civil wars, through everything, the USA was only able 2596 02:48:31.280 --> 02:48:38.479 to rack up a debt of nineteen point of nineteen 2597 02:48:38.520 --> 02:48:42.719 point eight trillion dollars in seven years. You've taken that 2598 02:48:42.760 --> 02:48:50.719 to over thirty three trillion dollars, So fourteen trillion dollars 2599 02:48:50.840 --> 02:48:57.680 versus nineteen trillion dollars in seven years versus seventeen seventy 2600 02:48:57.719 --> 02:48:59.719 six to twenty four, so two hundred and twenty four 2601 02:49:00.440 --> 02:49:03.200 and sixteen would be two hundred and forty years, two 2602 02:49:03.239 --> 02:49:10.200 hundred and forty years versus beat. It's bad and Americans 2603 02:49:10.200 --> 02:49:14.159 can't see it. And I suspect that's what's going to happen, 2604 02:49:14.239 --> 02:49:17.360 is that somebody of a conservative bent is going to 2605 02:49:17.479 --> 02:49:24.360 say that the madness that reigns in the White House now, 2606 02:49:24.840 --> 02:49:27.799 or in US government, or in the Treasury, if you like, 2607 02:49:27.920 --> 02:49:31.840 or in the Federal Reserve, or in whatever point your 2608 02:49:31.879 --> 02:49:38.159 finger at whichever blemish, whichever flaw on me appeals to 2609 02:49:38.200 --> 02:49:40.479 you the most. If I'm the body corporate of the 2610 02:49:40.559 --> 02:49:43.319 United States of America, you know what thing do you 2611 02:49:43.360 --> 02:49:48.319 hate the most? Point your finger that that is enough 2612 02:49:48.520 --> 02:49:54.079 to justify something absolutely radical and drastic. I'm not saying 2613 02:49:54.079 --> 02:49:56.479 that there's going to be a coup uitar, I am 2614 02:49:56.559 --> 02:50:00.600 saying that at some point somebody's going to say, well, 2615 02:50:00.639 --> 02:50:05.559 it's now been, you know, since twenty sixteen, it's now 2616 02:50:05.600 --> 02:50:09.719 been let's say, not seven years, it's ten years. And 2617 02:50:10.040 --> 02:50:13.120 the debt has gone from nineteen point eight trillion dollars 2618 02:50:13.399 --> 02:50:20.600 to sixty four whatever number. You know. Now a coup 2619 02:50:20.799 --> 02:50:26.719 is warranted. Now the setting off of a bomb is warranted. 2620 02:50:27.159 --> 02:50:32.120 Now we can get drastic and radical. What I'm saying 2621 02:50:32.120 --> 02:50:36.479 without trying to be overly specific, because I don't I'm 2622 02:50:36.479 --> 02:50:43.120 not clever, where is that things can't deteriorate this drastically, 2623 02:50:44.280 --> 02:50:47.000 this radically as they have, as we've all witnessed over 2624 02:50:47.040 --> 02:50:51.239 recent years, without sooner or later there being some kind 2625 02:50:51.280 --> 02:50:58.360 of a huge reaction, some real pushback. And because the 2626 02:50:58.399 --> 02:51:06.799 positions are so irreconciled, it's going to precipitate a terminal crisis. 2627 02:51:06.799 --> 02:51:10.079 So let's say my wife and I I'm not married. 2628 02:51:10.120 --> 02:51:16.120 I am, to my eternal regret, a bachelor. But let's 2629 02:51:16.120 --> 02:51:19.079 say I was married and my wife and I had 2630 02:51:19.159 --> 02:51:24.040 an ongoing dispute, and let's say I was goading her, 2631 02:51:24.120 --> 02:51:27.680 antagonizing her, giving her a hard time, and eventually one 2632 02:51:27.760 --> 02:51:31.639 day she turns around and she does something. All right, 2633 02:51:31.680 --> 02:51:35.120 that's one thing. She loses her temperature, gets it. But 2634 02:51:36.120 --> 02:51:43.200 just imagine that I'd done something that had betrayed her 2635 02:51:43.360 --> 02:51:47.079 trust forever and ever and ever and ever, and in 2636 02:51:47.399 --> 02:51:52.639 that context I was needling her and she retaliated. She 2637 02:51:52.680 --> 02:51:56.319 would probably retaliate with her and maybe stab me or 2638 02:51:56.600 --> 02:52:00.000 cyanide or you know, in my sleep, shoot me or something. 2639 02:52:00.040 --> 02:52:03.360 You know, what I'm saying is that it's one thing 2640 02:52:04.959 --> 02:52:10.920 to have a schism. It's another thing when the two 2641 02:52:11.000 --> 02:52:16.040 parties cannot in any way be reconciled. Because you cannot 2642 02:52:16.159 --> 02:52:26.360 reconcile LGBTQ two core America to the core values of America. 2643 02:52:26.440 --> 02:52:31.520 You cannot reconcile a thirty three trillion dollar debt to 2644 02:52:31.639 --> 02:52:37.040 the traditional pecuniousness that the traditional economical very wise with 2645 02:52:37.200 --> 02:52:44.239 money nature of US government. You cannot reconcile. The parties 2646 02:52:44.280 --> 02:52:47.360 are just so far out from one another that when 2647 02:52:47.399 --> 02:52:52.600 they do clash, they are going to clash in a 2648 02:52:52.920 --> 02:52:58.319 terminal manner. And I think that that's now absolutely inevitable. 2649 02:52:58.360 --> 02:53:01.840 You can't fix you can't fix the stolen election of 2650 02:53:01.840 --> 02:53:10.479 twenty twenty. You can't fix these, the biolabs in eastern Ukraine. 2651 02:53:10.760 --> 02:53:16.079 You can't undo that. You can't undo COVID and the 2652 02:53:16.159 --> 02:53:24.079 clot shots and the adversary actions. You can't undo the 2653 02:53:24.120 --> 02:53:28.440 assault on God. You can't undo. Would you believe me? 2654 02:53:28.479 --> 02:53:30.479 I read a figure? In fact, I went through the 2655 02:53:30.520 --> 02:53:33.360 table of figures, the official figures today before this interview, 2656 02:53:33.639 --> 02:53:36.559 just for no particular reason. Would you believe me if 2657 02:53:36.559 --> 02:53:40.600 I told you that the number of immigrants illegal immigrants 2658 02:53:40.639 --> 02:53:45.440 only to the USA in this year alone is greater 2659 02:53:46.040 --> 02:53:51.719 than the populations of thirty nine of the fifty states 2660 02:53:51.719 --> 02:54:01.520 of the USA. It's unfixable, Pete, don't fix that. You 2661 02:54:01.559 --> 02:54:02.639 don't get to fix that. 2662 02:54:03.920 --> 02:54:10.120 Yeah, well, tell everybody where they can, remind everybody where 2663 02:54:10.159 --> 02:54:14.000 they can find more about your work and whatever, what 2664 02:54:14.079 --> 02:54:14.799 anybody can do. 2665 02:54:15.559 --> 02:54:18.520 Oh, thank you very much, Pete, thank you for having 2666 02:54:18.600 --> 02:54:22.399 Sat Lunders on your show. We appreciate the opportunity. I 2667 02:54:22.440 --> 02:54:25.639 hope that the video is well watched. Please send me 2668 02:54:25.680 --> 02:54:28.159 a link and I'll distribute it in South Africa. Although 2669 02:54:28.159 --> 02:54:33.399 I should forewarn you that the overwhelming majority of our 2670 02:54:33.600 --> 02:54:37.399 people do not speak English, well, it's not their first language, 2671 02:54:37.399 --> 02:54:41.799 so that the audience is not big for English products. 2672 02:54:43.200 --> 02:54:46.559 People are welcome to visit satlanders dot org. That's s 2673 02:54:46.719 --> 02:54:52.000 U I d Landers dot org and if they would 2674 02:54:52.000 --> 02:54:54.079 like to make a contribution, if they'd like to assist 2675 02:54:54.159 --> 02:54:57.319 us in the work that we're doing. We are really 2676 02:54:57.440 --> 02:55:00.239 standing in the breach. We are boxing above our wait. 2677 02:55:01.360 --> 02:55:09.600 We are standard bearers worldwide for the conservative Caucasian Christian cause. 2678 02:55:10.840 --> 02:55:13.879 You can look up the speech that I gave in 2679 02:55:13.920 --> 02:55:17.120 the European Parliament and many other many, many hundreds of 2680 02:55:17.159 --> 02:55:20.319 other interviews Alex Jones, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera, BBC, 2681 02:55:20.879 --> 02:55:23.680 CNN Russia Today to see the work that we're doing. 2682 02:55:23.959 --> 02:55:26.840 And if that impresses you, please be so kind as 2683 02:55:26.840 --> 02:55:30.200 to make a donation satlanders dot org. Do you just 2684 02:55:30.319 --> 02:55:31.799 enter there and go to the bottom of the page. 2685 02:55:31.799 --> 02:55:34.639 You'll see where you can make a donation. Thank you 2686 02:55:34.760 --> 02:55:36.760 very much for watching this video. I hope that I 2687 02:55:36.799 --> 02:55:39.959 wasn't too long winded, and I hope that you thoroughly 2688 02:55:40.040 --> 02:55:42.959 enjoyed it. And thank you too, Pete very much. 2689 02:55:43.399 --> 02:55:45.360 No prom ad all. Thank you, and I'll make sure 2690 02:55:45.399 --> 02:55:48.200 to link to that in the show notes so people 2691 02:55:48.239 --> 02:55:51.360 can get to it. Very easily. Thank you, Samon, thank you,