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Dogmanencounters dot com forward slash podcast. Tonight's guest was featured

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on episode six thirteen because of all the details he

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had to share about his encounter. Though we weren't out

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of time and didn't have time for me to ask

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all the questions I had for him, So with that

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in mind, asked him if you'd be interested in coming

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back to do a Q and A, and luckily he

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agreed to do that. Thanks again so much for coming back, Josh,

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I really appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: Hey, no problem, Victim, glad to be here once again.

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Speaker 2: Well, that's great having you back, Josh. For we missed

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episode six thirteen. Please give us a fly over the

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details of that encounter. Bring them up to speed.

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Speaker 1: Sure. Well, it was the opening day of rifle season

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in Michigan and I had went up to my camp

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and I had walked out to go to my deer

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blind before it was even light out, and I had

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a few noises on the way there. It's in a

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cedar swamp and all that but nothing major. I got

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there waited for it to get light out pretty quick.

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I would say, I noticed there was a dough there,

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and I'm just looking down a lane and the rest

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is all swamp and trees, cedar trees. You can't really

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see in there, and so I'm looking at that, and

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almost immediately I'm hearing what I think is a buck

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walking to the lane, because they're in rut this time

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of year. Well, that went on for quite some time,

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and I don't think what came out made those footsteps,

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but out of nowhere a massive looking wolf. I mean,

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it looked pretty similar just to a regular wolf, but

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I mean more like the size of a horse. And

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it's not that far away, and it stepped out in

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front of that dough. I immediately thought that was a

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dog man type creature, just because of the size. And

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I will say that I have listened to these shows

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and stuff, and that's kind of what gave me that

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knowledge and stuff of these creatures. Anyway. But so that

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thing just stood there for a little bit and it

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went off, and I sat there and thought about it.

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I began to calm down of it because it didn't

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seem like some evil creature and I don't think it was.

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But I wasn't ready to walk out yet either, and

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I just had to gather my thoughts. I've never seen

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anything like that. Well, it was shortly after that I

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noticed that either the same deer or another deer was there.

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I think it was the same one. And beside that,

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but more towards me, this black creature kind of I

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guess it stood up. I'm not too sure. To me,

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it looked like it just formed up really quick, and

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it was all black. And this, immediately to me was

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a dog man. See the pointed ears. It faced away

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from me pretty quickly, and I could see the muscles

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on its back, shoulder, stuff like that. It walked away

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from me and made a swatting motion at the dough.

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I could see its long claws. I don't think it

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actually hit the dough, but I don't know where that

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dough went from there. And then basically it will It

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turned around, looked at me once and then back, and

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then kept walking and it jumped high up into a tree.

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And then it went and pounced off of that onto

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a limb that was overhanging the lane, and it appeared

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to just lay down on its belly and grasp that

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limb like hug it with its arms and its back legs.

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And now, no matter what I did with my scope,

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I mean I couldn't see where its head was. I

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can just see there's a ball there, you know. And yeah,

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it was shortly after that. I watched that for a

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good while decided to walk out or there. It was

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terrifying to walk out. I did hear something following me.

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I stopped. It got to be too much. I stopped

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and yelled at it. I got my rifle off safety,

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and you know, just told it, please don't step out

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or any of that. Just stop. I'm leaving. If you

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step out in front of me, I might show because

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I'm on the verge of panic and running and oh

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just thinking about it. But you know, I did make

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it stopped, and I did make it back to the camp.

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And that pretty much would sum up a short version

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of what happened without too many details, really.

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Speaker 2: And then went together to make for one heck of a

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long morning for you.

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Speaker 1: Yeah it really did. And I don't know if I

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said before, but after I got back to camp, my

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dad shot at ear so here I got to go

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right back in the woods. But I mean a different

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section of the woods and with my dad. But yeah,

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so it was all a rough warning doing all that.

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Speaker 2: Well, I'm sure it was. And after your dad shot

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that one, at least you're with him, like you said,

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you weren't alone, So that's better than your past situation.

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I'm not calling you a liar, not by a long shot, Josh,

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but that does sting put. When that giant wolf walked

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out in front of it just doesn't make sense to

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me at all. Deer just don't act that way when something.

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Speaker 1: Like that happens.

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Speaker 2: Do you have any thoughts on why it acted the

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way it did that I missed?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I do have a few, and I mean, like

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I did say, you know, after that big wolf left,

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It's not like I seen that dough right away. I

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was kind of lost in the thought or whatever. But

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at some point I noticed, not that I really seen movement,

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but I'm looking through my scope and thinking, and I

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see it there or what looks like a dough maybe

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the same one. I'm thinking just because of the way

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it looks, and I did. I was really trying to

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look like, okay, am I you know, is that actually

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a dough or like, cause so many things can look

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like deer down that lane with all the mess, but

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it wasn't moving. But here's my thoughts on that. Now,

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when all this is happening, I did mention that I

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felt those vibrations in the blind and in my feet

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and maybe even like up to my knees a little bit.

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So I guess my thoughts on the situation, even though

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it does seem crazy. But when I heard walking up

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that I thought was a buck coming for that dough,

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I don't think was that first big wolf creature. Now

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that I've thought about it, I think it was possibly

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that black creature, dogged man like creature but walking on

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two feet, and the other creature maybe or whatever it was,

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I think something basically used infra sound, is what I'm

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trying to say, and it maybe also hit that dough.

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Is really the only time I seen that don't move

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is when it was out there. We both heard movement

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and it turned its head. Now, I guess that's a

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theory I've come to because I've heard other stories about

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this happening to deer and they're just frozen still. Now.

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I don't even know if they could see that huge

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like wolf creature that could have been possibly a spirit.

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I'm not sure, Vic, my thoughts are all jumbled on

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all of it. Now. The last thing I'll say, is

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there a chance when I noticed that dough again and

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it wasn't moving. Am I one hundred percent positive that

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there was a dough there? I'm pretty sure, but not

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one hundred percent because of what's going on in my

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mind and fairly shortly there's that black creature. But I

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do think it was there. That's really all I can

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say about that.

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Speaker 2: If that dog, mean, was there long before you ever

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thought it was, that definitely would make sense. If it

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hit that dough with infrasound, that would cause it to freeze,

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or it could cause it to freeze like that. So

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that's a really good explanation. Again, we don't know for

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sure that was what happened, but that would definitely explain it.

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Speaker 1: Right I and I never want to say anything in definites,

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you know, I'm open to was that like an infrasound

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weapon that hit me and it's making me see funny things?

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I mean, that sounds a little bit crazy, but I'm

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open to anything.

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Speaker 2: I don't know what happened, well, infrasound can make you

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do that so that's another good explanation. If you've had

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a dog mean encounter, I would like to speak with

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me about it, whether in private or on the show,

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please go to dogmanthencounters dot com and submit a report

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just out of curiosity, Josh, why do you hunt from

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a blind on the ground instead of a tree stand?

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Speaker 1: Well, for a couple reasons. When my dad and grandpa

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built the camp in I believe it was ninety one,

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might have been nineteen ninety, but either way that my

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dad built that blind out there and he cut those lanes,

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you got to imagine this thick, really thick cedar swamp.

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I mean, there's nowhere you could walk in there. You'd

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have to cut a whole big section if you wanted

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to get up in a tree and be able to

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bow hunt or shoot a rifle from there. But mainly

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it's just because that's the blind, and that's what was

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put there and was there for me to hunt as

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I got older, you know, And I mean that is

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the main reason. You know, my dad cut those lanes

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years ago, put the blind there, and that's just where

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me and my little brother grew up hunting. And I've

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never really hunted anywhere else my whole life.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that makes really good sense too. Yeah, it's much

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easier to clear lanes on the ground a ground level

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then to have to climb up and trim branches above

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ground level. So yeah, like I said, that makes really

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good sense. It sounds to me like that path you

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had to walk down to get to your blind was

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pretty darn claustrophobic. How much shoulder room would you say

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you have on either side of you as you're walking

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down that path between the dense brush on either side.

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Speaker 1: You know, maybe five six feet. I mean you could

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say this like I could carry my rifle sideways if

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I needed to, but you would never walk shoulder to shoulder.

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If me and my dad or brother going down there,

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it'd always be one after the other because it is

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very thin, and there's so many ups and downs and stumps,

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and you know, it's nearly impossible to get a four

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wheeler back there. So I've never measured it, but it is.

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That's all there is is that little lane to get there.

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And yeah, it's it's not too wide.

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pretty tight to me. And if anyone has never been

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in a cedar forest or a cedar swamp. The needles

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at cedar trees drop. That makes it really easy to

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walk around without making too much noise if you don't

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want to make noise. So that right there makes it

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even more intense to be in that situation. I feel

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for you, I really do. When you got to the

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blind that morning, how long did you have to wait

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before sun up?

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Speaker 1: Let's see, well I was. I did get there a

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little later then I wanted to, but it was still dark.

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five minutes, five ten minutes, it's starting to get light,

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and then it's slowly getting light from there. Because I

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want to say, I left to go to the blind

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around five forty five am, and then if I'm getting there,

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let's say between like six and six ten am. I mean,

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just to guess, a person could look up, you know

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what time the sun's coming up in Michigan that time

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of year. But I might be a little off, but

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I do know as I got there settled, it slowly

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seems like it's already starting to get light after a little.

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Speaker 2: Bit, so you didn't have to wait all that long. Then, Yeah,

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that's good Thank goodness for that, considering what you experienced.

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Not all that long after that, when you made it

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to the blind, you heard movement around you. You said,

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how close do that movement seem to be to you?

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that movement started after you sat down in the blind.

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Speaker 1: Actually, when I sat down in the blind, I was

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already hearing movement in the woods, which to me just

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was maybe there's bucks chasing does around right now, you know,

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which this isn't not normally the case. I mean, sometimes

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there might be deer there as it gets light out.

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I'm normally not hearing movement like this, So I'm thinking

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a buck is chasing a dough or like I've seen

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them do, like trotting after one, and they're not really

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caring about their footsteps and stuff. So I'm hearing that.

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And then I'm also hearing heavier thudding what I think

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are footsteps, I'm not too sure. And then it all,

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you know, it all happened really quick. I'm listening to

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all this thinking about it. Then I noticed this doze there.

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I didn't see it walk out, which is pretty normal.

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There's plenty of times down that lane. Or you know,

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you'll check one lane, look back and you just kind

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of notice up there one walked out and now it's

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standing still. So I, you know, didn't see it right away,

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but so that happened. And as soon as I look

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at this door through the scope, she's paying attention. I've

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seen her move her head because these footsteps did kind

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of stop and go, but not a whole lot. And

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then you know, pretty quick me and her both here

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when are somewhat like deer like footsteps. But she cocked

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her head that way, moved a hear maybe, and just

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kind of stayed like that. And now I'm just setting

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up the shot for a buck to come. But i'd

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say ten twelve, fifteen minutes. Maybe I'm hearing that thing

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walking around and I keep thinking it's okay, it's right there,

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it's going to come out onto the lane, and it wouldn't.

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So I don't know if it was coming up to

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the lane and you know, moving around deciding what it's

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going to do, and then that bigger wolf like creature

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stepped out on all fours. I mean, we're not talking

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long probably all together. I don't know, under an hour

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though for sure. Forty five minutes. Then when I see

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the dough. We're talking very maximum twenty minutes until the

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first creature appears.

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Speaker 2: When I heard you give us that playbop play on

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hearing those footsteps moving around you on last week's show,

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I had a hard time telling if that shook you

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up or if you weren't bothered by it, considering the

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fact that, like you said, it could have easily been

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a buck. Did hearing that movement shake you up? Or

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did you take it all in stride.

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Speaker 1: If I'm being totally honest, it's both. Like I'm putting

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that stuff in the back of my mind, pushing it away.

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But yes, I am thinking it, and yes, like I said,

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once I heard them thudding footsteps, I'm just trying to Okay,

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don't worry about that, this is probably just a buck coming.

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I got it ready, I got the safety off. I'm

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really pushing it down. I'm staying aware, and that is

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in my mind. But you know, it's it became harder

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and harder, and I guess in other situations that's what

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I try to do too. If I'm getting scared about

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something is just no, no, you know, push it away.

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But once certain things happen, happened. You just can't you know,

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when that wall stepped out, I mean I didn't know

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what to do with that, and that close and but yeah,

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I had these thoughts basically right away because I'm not

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normally hearing this kind of movement all over like that.

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So it was a little of both.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that makes sense. Were those subjects that you heard

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moving around you in a circular way or were they

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moving randomly?

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Speaker 1: Well, I didn't ever here, I'm like circle the blind,

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I don't think. But for the most part, let's see,

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I would I would have been facing east. I mean,

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they're all coming from like the same patch of woods,

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like to the right of this lane. I'm looking down

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all the which is my land, like, so there shouldn't

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no other hunter or nothing like that. And both of

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the creatures came out basically, well, one stepped out from

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the right side of the lane, and then the other

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one seemed like it was there, maybe laying down on

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the edge of the right side of the lane. But yeah,

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pretty much in it. You know, sounds do bounce around

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in the woods, so it's hard when you hear a

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gunshot to pinpoint exactly. But to me, everything was coming

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from that same patch of woods basically to my like

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three o'clock position.

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Speaker 2: From me, it sure seems to me like you evaluate

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things when things happened to you. Sounds to me like

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you really slow down, take your time and evaluate things

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instead of just overreacting right off the bat. Is that accurate?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it is one, because I'm hunting, so I'm paying

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attention to every little thing. You know, my Dad's always

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taught me this, and a lot of it really does

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come from him. I know he'd be doing the same thing.

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He'd be pushing all that those noises further away from

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his mind, though he'd really want to get the buck.

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I mean, and like I did, but in a way,

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it was more important for me to get a nice buck,

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and then you know, my dad would be happy. I'd

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be happy. I'm just trying to do what I'm there

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to do. But I am like that because I do

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think about these things, and I don't know, maybe from

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growing up in what me and my mom considered a

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haunted house at least for a while, It's just it

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is a little hard for me to, you know, go

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through those woods. I'm not going to do it now,

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but at the time, in the dark and yeah, I'm

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really listening and paying attention, and I do. I've always

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taught myself not to panic. That's the last thing I

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want to do is panic, because then I have control

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of nothing. So yeah, I do.

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Speaker 2: That's always a good quality to have, especially in the woods.

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You told us about that strange metallic sound you heard.

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What more can you tell us about that?

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Speaker 1: Well, it was just once, and it didn't seem like

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it was that far it was. Now, I can't remember

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how early on I heard that, Like i'd have to

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maybe I have it in my notes. I don't have here,

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but I'm not sure, for instance, if that occurred after

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the first wolf creature or before, but I might want

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to say before. But either way, it was real quick.

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And you know, I've heard about these type of sounds

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and other accounts of either it sounds like a door

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shutting in the middle of nowhere or kind of metallic sound.

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What I can say for sure it was not a

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car on this road. There's no way a car could

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even get on this road without me knowing. It's so quiet.

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It wasn't a four wheeler. It's you know, it was

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just a quick like as if something took its fist

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and hit it, not super hard, but hit like a

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some type of a piece of aluminum and just created

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like that metallic and then sound and little echo. It

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was just that once. And you know, I know people

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think portal opening and stuff like that, and I did

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have that thought, but not saying I believe that or

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know that. It's just from watching all these shows. So

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it happened, and then I was quickly distracted with more

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footstep sounds and stuff.

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Speaker 2: When you hear something really strange like that, any guess

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is as good as another. All we can do is

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guess is to what that was. So it's not like

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you get any further ahead by trying to do that.

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After we recorded last week's show, you realized that you

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had mistated something. Please expand on that for us.

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Speaker 1: Oh, I just was thinking about, you know, the lane

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that goes from the gravel road to the blind I

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hunt in. I guess isn't really as far, not quite

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as far in as I was thinking, because I know

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the lane in that same direction on the other side

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of the blind goes quite a ways too, so I

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would say, well, I know the way too. The blind

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is longer, probably longer than that lane. Anyway, I think now,

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I think probably the blinds. You know, gosh, no more

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than between two and three hundred yards, because that lane

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looks like it goes quite a ways, and I know

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it has to go right to the end of our property.

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So I just wanted to say that. I don't want

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to say the lane to the blinds three hundred yards

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in and then this lane that keeps going is another

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three hundred yards when really it should only be four

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hundred and forty yards total. So, and the only other

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thing is the way I was facing. I may have

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said the wrong direction, but I'm facing eastward when I'm

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looking at the dough in these creatures, and I just

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wanted to, you know, let that be known that I

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thought about it and misjudge some yards, most likely because

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these are all just me guessing the Amoni yards.

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Speaker 2: Of course, Well, thanks for interest in setting a street

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on that. But yeah, we're not going to hold that

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against you. I do worse than that all the time, right,

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I hope not. Oh no, I do trust me on that.

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Did you have any other weapons with you that morning

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besides your rifle?

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Speaker 1: No, just my thirty out six bolt action rifle. I

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don't even think I had no I didn't have a knife.

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Speaker 2: No, not that that would have made much of a

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big deal or brought you any more comfort, Because if

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that rifle didn't get the job done, very few handguns

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are going to be all that useful. So what's the point.

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Did you ever happen to notice a mean on that

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black dog man?

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Speaker 1: No, if there was one that was small or unnoticeable

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because of how black he was, I mean, he was

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so black, But I can't say that I did notice

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a mean.

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Speaker 2: No, how about a tail.

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Speaker 1: I'm pretty confident he didn't have a tail or. It

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was extremely short or tucked up underneath them. He didn't

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have no long tail. I'm pretty confident about that. But

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if he had one, yeah, I think it was short

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or he had to tuck somehow. I think I would

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have noticed that tail sticking out to the side or

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down or something. If you know, if he had one.

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Speaker 2: Well, I mean, you had so many thoughts going through

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your head at the time. I can't fault you for

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not noticing those things or annoying. For sure, if it

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did have a tail or, if it did have a mean, Also,

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the fact it was so dark, the dog meat was

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so black. Now I'm kind of fuzzy on the lighting situation.

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How long was it after sun up that you saw it?

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Was it full sun up by the time he came along,

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or was the sun still in the process of coming up.

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Speaker 1: Well, yeah, it was up. I mean it was up

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decent enough. It's always a little darker in those woods.

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But yeah, I mean I could see. So it's not

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like trying to think here about the time even I'm

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not sure, but I had enough light to see him

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and well down that lane, and I had my scope,

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so I wasn't you know, It's not like he was

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blacker than the black outside, Like there was light lighting

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up the branches, the leaves and all that. So I

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had good you know, I could see good.

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Speaker 2: Well, that can be a good thing, and that can

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be a bad thing. Sometimes it's not a good thing

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to be able to see one of these guys all that. Well,

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So yeah, it's kind of a toss up. It sounds

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to me like you got a pretty look at his claws.

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How do you describe their shape? You know?

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Speaker 1: Nothing? Well, okay, here's what he did and when I

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seen them, because when he's just walking, I'm not really

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seeing them. But when he took his arm back and

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then swung it around with what seemed like quite a

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bit of force. But he stopped, or he didn't stop.

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But before he put his arm back in the normal position,

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I could see, because I'm looking through a scope that

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I've powered up a little, I could see like where

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his palm was, and that his fingers were longer, and

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he had those claws and they you know, all I

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could really notice in that time is that the separation

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of claw from fingertip they look to come to a point.

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I couldn't tell if they were extremely curved or a little.

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The most I really can say is that they looked

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like they came to a point kind of and they

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were pretty long. You know. You want to expect like

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these long claws on like these skinny fingers, I guess,

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and they certainly weren't like a regular dog's claws. You know.

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They were skinny and long and kind of like the fingers.

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But you could tell where the claws started and ended.

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But you know, that's just kind of a snapshot in

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my mind. But I had the thought when he did that, like, yep,

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there's there's them claws and skinny fingers. Because I'm like

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really trying to make sure, like, like, what is this

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am I just you know, I'm kind of blinking my

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eyes a little, but no, I've seen that.

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Speaker 2: Well, it's only natural you would do that and pay

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attention to them. You're trying to assess him as being

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a threat, so you're trying to evaluate how dangerous he

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might have been. That's one of the first things you're

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going to look at would be his claws. So that

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makes sense. You saw him from behind, and you also

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saw him from the side. How much of a forward

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hunch did he seem to have.

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Speaker 1: Though, Well, when he first stood up, it wasn't overly exaggerated, really,

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But I guess now that I think about him when

475
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he's walking away, Yeah, I guess, because when he did

476
00:31:21,359 --> 00:31:24,839
start walking away, I could still see them pointy ears.

477
00:31:25,240 --> 00:31:28,960
But he had to have his head or the placement

478
00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:34,119
of his head I'm not sure slightly hunched, but it's

479
00:31:34,160 --> 00:31:37,559
mainly like his head that was kind of forward. Maybe it,

480
00:31:37,720 --> 00:31:39,920
you know, his shoulders a bit, but just not as

481
00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:43,480
much as maybe I've heard sometimes. But he had these

482
00:31:43,559 --> 00:31:47,200
back muscles that I quickly while he's walking away, I noticed.

483
00:31:48,359 --> 00:31:51,559
So that's at the point I started trembling a bit.

484
00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:56,200
Speaker 2: Well, I bet you did. And please clarify. You said

485
00:31:56,200 --> 00:31:57,759
his head might have been set forward.

486
00:31:59,559 --> 00:32:13,119
Speaker 1: Yeah, almost, hmmm. I guess maybe, like if a person

487
00:32:13,319 --> 00:32:15,839
was walking away, he'd be able to see their neck

488
00:32:15,880 --> 00:32:19,440
in their head. Now, when this thing was walking away,

489
00:32:20,480 --> 00:32:23,319
I can't see his neck, but I probably And he's

490
00:32:23,359 --> 00:32:27,799
so black, it's so hard, but you know, I maybe

491
00:32:27,839 --> 00:32:30,119
could see the top of his head and his ears

492
00:32:30,559 --> 00:32:37,079
like coming up above his shoulders. Yeah, and even when

493
00:32:38,640 --> 00:32:40,759
he was to the side for a second, I just

494
00:32:40,799 --> 00:32:43,119
really couldn't tell you, but I do believe he was

495
00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:45,880
had a little bit of a hunch in some way.

496
00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:49,039
It's just so hard to pick out details when you're

497
00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:53,720
something's that black. Even in the daylight. I mean that

498
00:32:53,839 --> 00:32:56,319
light didn't seem to with him at least it didn't

499
00:32:56,319 --> 00:32:57,599
seem to matter too much.

500
00:32:58,880 --> 00:33:02,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's pretty common with these guys. How tall would

501
00:33:02,279 --> 00:33:04,480
you see his ears were? And did they seem to

502
00:33:04,519 --> 00:33:07,000
be more on top of his head on the sides.

503
00:33:08,680 --> 00:33:11,279
Speaker 1: Well, they were. They seem to be up top. Whether

504
00:33:11,359 --> 00:33:15,279
he's keeping them pricked that way, I don't know, but

505
00:33:15,519 --> 00:33:21,640
they were probably Let me see it with my fingers, maybe,

506
00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:24,640
you know, maybe a good four four and a half

507
00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:28,079
to five inches. It's hard to see when he's down

508
00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:33,519
there and I'm looking through the scope and up, you know,

509
00:33:33,640 --> 00:33:37,000
but for the size of his head, and yeah, his

510
00:33:37,119 --> 00:33:39,839
ears were on kind of on top and pretty pointed.

511
00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:42,599
I didn't see no tuughs at the top or nothing.

512
00:33:42,680 --> 00:33:47,720
But they weren't overly crazy compared to his head size.

513
00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:51,880
But the weird thing would be that how up top

514
00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:56,440
they are and just point it up like that, come

515
00:33:56,480 --> 00:34:00,920
to that perfect like point. Yeah, maybe four to five inches.

516
00:34:01,799 --> 00:34:05,200
Speaker 2: Man, that's still pretty tall. Was his head in proportion

517
00:34:05,480 --> 00:34:08,440
size wise to his body or out of proportion?

518
00:34:11,119 --> 00:34:15,159
Speaker 1: I would say close, but a little maybe out of proportion.

519
00:34:16,519 --> 00:34:21,679
And you know, just because of his muscles, you know,

520
00:34:21,880 --> 00:34:25,519
his body looks like a man's body with these muscles

521
00:34:25,519 --> 00:34:27,960
and stuff. And I didn't really see it from the front,

522
00:34:28,440 --> 00:34:35,840
but from the back, how would I say that? I

523
00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:39,599
guess it seemed okay since he had like kind of

524
00:34:39,639 --> 00:34:43,719
wide shoulders and the muscles and stuff. But like if

525
00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:46,559
he didn't, then his hot body was just like a

526
00:34:46,599 --> 00:34:49,320
regular dog. Well, then his head would not look right,

527
00:34:50,679 --> 00:34:53,800
you know, proportionately wise, at least, No.

528
00:34:53,920 --> 00:34:54,800
Speaker 2: I definitely wouldn't.

529
00:34:56,000 --> 00:34:56,280
Speaker 1: Right.

530
00:34:57,280 --> 00:34:59,719
Speaker 2: How good of a look did you get? At his legs.

531
00:35:02,519 --> 00:35:06,960
Speaker 1: Not as good as his body and stuff, because that's

532
00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:16,159
mainly what I'm focused on. His legs. You know, to me,

533
00:35:16,239 --> 00:35:20,559
they were and I've thought about this. To me, they

534
00:35:20,599 --> 00:35:28,280
were like canine legs. But and that's what I've said

535
00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:31,280
to myself. But when I've went back and really truly

536
00:35:31,360 --> 00:35:35,480
thought about it, do I know that for sure? So

537
00:35:35,559 --> 00:35:41,079
I'm trying to picture when he jumped and stuff. That's

538
00:35:41,159 --> 00:35:43,840
just what how I remember it, at least, But I'm

539
00:35:43,880 --> 00:35:47,960
not sure of that, you know, I can't. I can say,

540
00:35:48,039 --> 00:35:53,360
like his calfs, at least the tops of them seem

541
00:35:53,440 --> 00:35:57,559
to have some muscle. But yeah, I truly didn't observe

542
00:35:57,679 --> 00:35:59,199
those that much.

543
00:36:00,480 --> 00:36:02,519
Speaker 2: Well, like I told you before, you deserve a lot

544
00:36:02,519 --> 00:36:05,519
of credit for all the details you did notice, So

545
00:36:06,039 --> 00:36:09,119
hats off to you. You said you're looking at him

546
00:36:09,159 --> 00:36:11,800
through a scope, and with that in mind, did he

547
00:36:11,880 --> 00:36:14,679
happen to notice anything about his genitals?

548
00:36:16,760 --> 00:36:20,119
Speaker 1: Nope, nothing there at all. I mean there could have

549
00:36:20,159 --> 00:36:24,280
been there, but I just didn't notice or anything like that.

550
00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:28,599
Speaker 2: Oh that's all right, and a biggie there he saw

551
00:36:28,639 --> 00:36:31,679
him do some pretty extraordinary things. But I'm still not

552
00:36:31,719 --> 00:36:34,639
sure about how you feel about all this. Do you

553
00:36:34,719 --> 00:36:38,840
think that that means he was a spiritual being or

554
00:36:38,920 --> 00:36:40,679
do you think he might have been flesh and blood

555
00:36:40,719 --> 00:36:42,800
and just had some special abilities.

556
00:36:45,599 --> 00:36:48,039
Speaker 1: I want to lean towards he was flesh and blood

557
00:36:48,079 --> 00:36:51,639
and had some special abilities, But you don't want the

558
00:36:51,639 --> 00:36:55,480
way I didn't notice nothing there before he was there.

559
00:36:55,800 --> 00:36:59,480
It was kind of like just a black shadow formed

560
00:36:59,559 --> 00:37:04,079
up into a dog man. But that could just be

561
00:37:04,079 --> 00:37:07,320
because I'm looking at the deer and I notice it,

562
00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:11,360
even though it's kind of in the frame of my scope. Anyway,

563
00:37:13,239 --> 00:37:16,119
it seems they just do things like this anyway. But

564
00:37:16,239 --> 00:37:19,599
with everything he did, you know, I do have to

565
00:37:19,679 --> 00:37:26,480
just wonder, like, is that was that just a spirit?

566
00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:30,079
Was it a spiritual creature? But when he turned to

567
00:37:30,119 --> 00:37:33,079
look at me, I mean, I don't know. At the

568
00:37:33,159 --> 00:37:35,079
same time, I feel like I could have shot him.

569
00:37:35,400 --> 00:37:37,559
I mean, he was there the whole time until I left.

570
00:37:38,679 --> 00:37:43,000
So yeah, it's it's hard to say, and it does

571
00:37:43,079 --> 00:37:46,039
bother me. It wouldn't bother me as much if I

572
00:37:46,039 --> 00:37:49,920
could say, well, that was just a spirit and that's

573
00:37:49,960 --> 00:37:53,639
why it did that. You know, if a physical thing

574
00:37:53,719 --> 00:37:56,960
can do that, that's a lot more perplexing, I guess,

575
00:37:57,000 --> 00:37:59,119
And scary, oh.

576
00:37:59,119 --> 00:38:03,199
Speaker 2: No doubt, and not knowing the worst part it definitely

577
00:38:03,320 --> 00:38:06,920
is this could go one of two ways. I'm not

578
00:38:06,920 --> 00:38:10,159
sure which way this goes with you, but it's got

579
00:38:10,159 --> 00:38:12,760
to be awfully tense to sit there and know that

580
00:38:12,840 --> 00:38:16,599
this strange creature is right there, this creature that's so frightening.

581
00:38:17,199 --> 00:38:20,599
It's just right there. I'm looking at it. But also,

582
00:38:20,800 --> 00:38:22,920
on the other hand, after you got back to camp,

583
00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:25,679
your dad shot that deer, you had to head back

584
00:38:25,679 --> 00:38:29,719
into the woods with them, which circumstance had you more

585
00:38:29,760 --> 00:38:32,599
frightened because after you went out there with your dad,

586
00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:35,719
you were with him, you weren't alone, but you had

587
00:38:35,760 --> 00:38:38,559
seen what one of these things could do, and you

588
00:38:38,639 --> 00:38:40,719
had that much more time to think about this old

589
00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:44,960
dog man situation, which situation had you more fearful.

590
00:38:47,280 --> 00:38:51,400
Speaker 1: While I was one hundred percent more fearful of getting

591
00:38:51,400 --> 00:38:54,880
older than woods by myself while I'm looking at this thing,

592
00:38:55,760 --> 00:39:00,039
because I didn't have no way to contact anybody, But

593
00:39:00,159 --> 00:39:05,199
after staring at it for that long, when it kind

594
00:39:05,199 --> 00:39:08,199
of formed itself into a ball, and I even there

595
00:39:08,320 --> 00:39:11,840
was a split second where I thought, like, of, like,

596
00:39:11,880 --> 00:39:13,960
what would happen if I shot that? Like is it's

597
00:39:13,960 --> 00:39:19,880
still just a spirit. But anyway, yeah, it bothered me

598
00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:21,519
enough to where I got to get out of this

599
00:39:21,559 --> 00:39:23,559
little tiny blind and I just got to get out

600
00:39:23,559 --> 00:39:29,440
of these woods. But to be honest, the thing with

601
00:39:29,559 --> 00:39:34,119
my dad is too, like one of my biggest things

602
00:39:34,199 --> 00:39:38,079
that's always been in my mind and part of my

603
00:39:38,199 --> 00:39:40,440
life is I don't ever want to let him down.

604
00:39:41,119 --> 00:39:43,400
And now he just shot a nice buck. I mean,

605
00:39:44,480 --> 00:39:47,280
so I'm I mean, whether it kills me or not,

606
00:39:47,360 --> 00:39:49,400
I'm going out there to help him. He can't get

607
00:39:49,400 --> 00:39:52,760
this by hisself, you know, he can't do it by hisself.

608
00:39:53,920 --> 00:39:56,159
And at least I'm with him and he's got a rifle.

609
00:39:56,280 --> 00:40:01,679
And we're also behind the camp now, you know. And

610
00:40:01,760 --> 00:40:04,599
I did tell him what happened, so he at this point,

611
00:40:04,679 --> 00:40:08,320
so he knew, and you know, we're going in there

612
00:40:08,400 --> 00:40:17,880
quiet and looking around and stuff and yeah, I just nothing,

613
00:40:18,039 --> 00:40:22,960
you know, nothing of know what happened. I pardon of

614
00:40:23,000 --> 00:40:25,280
me wanted him to see it, not right there and then,

615
00:40:26,159 --> 00:40:30,039
but just so he knows like that it's there and

616
00:40:30,119 --> 00:40:34,880
believes me. But yeah, that was nothing behind the camp

617
00:40:34,920 --> 00:40:37,159
with my dad compared to what I just went through.

618
00:40:38,880 --> 00:40:41,599
Because at this point with my dad doing all this

619
00:40:41,760 --> 00:40:45,679
work when I'm on like an adrenaline dump, and plus

620
00:40:45,719 --> 00:40:48,239
the physical work I did just getting out of that

621
00:40:48,320 --> 00:40:50,599
swamp and back to the camp. I mean, I'm almost

622
00:40:50,639 --> 00:40:53,320
like on the verge of passing out by the time

623
00:40:53,360 --> 00:40:56,960
we're on our way out of there. So it was rough.

624
00:40:57,119 --> 00:40:59,599
But yeah, that's my thoughts on that.

625
00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:03,559
Speaker 2: Well, you still have a lot of sand, because most

626
00:41:03,599 --> 00:41:06,280
people never would have headed back into the woods even

627
00:41:06,280 --> 00:41:09,079
if they weren't alone. So the fact that you did,

628
00:41:09,519 --> 00:41:12,639
especially for the reasons you laid out, that tells me

629
00:41:12,719 --> 00:41:15,800
you definitely do have a lot of sand. As your

630
00:41:15,880 --> 00:41:18,599
encounter with him was playing out, did the thought that

631
00:41:18,639 --> 00:41:21,079
he might not have been alone ever cross your mind?

632
00:41:24,320 --> 00:41:28,760
Speaker 1: You know what? It? Actually? It should have. It should

633
00:41:28,760 --> 00:41:31,280
have for me, But no, it didn't. I was solely

634
00:41:31,320 --> 00:41:38,559
focused on him, I guess, and maybe did because at

635
00:41:38,559 --> 00:41:41,559
one point I heard something like to my right, and

636
00:41:41,599 --> 00:41:44,039
that actually caused me to look away and look back

637
00:41:44,079 --> 00:41:49,039
real quick. But he was still there, so I was

638
00:41:49,119 --> 00:41:57,440
aware there was maybe other things going on. You know.

639
00:41:57,559 --> 00:42:02,480
The whole thing too with it is that he didn't

640
00:42:02,760 --> 00:42:04,760
First of all, I knew what he was the second

641
00:42:04,760 --> 00:42:07,360
I seen him, Like, there's nothing else it could be

642
00:42:07,480 --> 00:42:11,000
in my mind, and it's because of you know, listening

643
00:42:11,039 --> 00:42:14,320
to shows like this, and he walked away from me.

644
00:42:14,400 --> 00:42:19,400
He didn't vocalize, He did do some crazy acrobatics that

645
00:42:21,400 --> 00:42:23,280
I don't know what I thought of that it blew

646
00:42:23,320 --> 00:42:26,480
my mind. But I've heard of that too.

647
00:42:27,280 --> 00:42:29,679
Speaker 2: And just.

648
00:42:32,119 --> 00:42:35,440
Speaker 1: Walking out of there was scary, very much so, and

649
00:42:35,519 --> 00:42:38,920
I was, you know, on the verge of panic and running.

650
00:42:38,960 --> 00:42:43,360
But I think because of all them things that he

651
00:42:43,400 --> 00:42:47,760
didn't start walking towards me, you know, and vocalizing or

652
00:42:47,760 --> 00:42:52,519
anything like that, and just being prepared. And I've been

653
00:42:52,639 --> 00:42:56,360
hunting my whole life. I think people got to understand too,

654
00:42:56,400 --> 00:42:57,960
all them things come into play.

655
00:42:59,039 --> 00:43:02,639
Speaker 2: Oh sure, yeah they do. Thank goodness, you're able to

656
00:43:02,719 --> 00:43:05,599
draw upon enough experiences where you're able to handle that

657
00:43:05,639 --> 00:43:08,639
experience as well as you did. Some people would have

658
00:43:08,639 --> 00:43:10,320
made a lot of mistakes that might have put them

659
00:43:10,320 --> 00:43:14,079
in danger. Thank goodness you didn't do that. Now I

660
00:43:14,079 --> 00:43:16,559
can wrap my head around everything you've said about that

661
00:43:16,679 --> 00:43:21,320
experience except one thing, Josh, and that is after having

662
00:43:21,320 --> 00:43:25,440
that encounter, why didn't you leave? Was that because your

663
00:43:25,519 --> 00:43:28,079
dad had brought you to that camp and he wouldn't

664
00:43:28,079 --> 00:43:30,280
take you home, or for some other reason.

665
00:43:32,639 --> 00:43:36,400
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, that's part of it. And you know

666
00:43:36,519 --> 00:43:40,159
it's he makes such a big deal of it. You know,

667
00:43:40,280 --> 00:43:43,840
it's once a year and hunting, and I understand that,

668
00:43:44,039 --> 00:43:49,400
and it's almost like, well, not just as scared, but

669
00:43:49,559 --> 00:43:53,440
like I would feel so bad and just if I

670
00:43:53,519 --> 00:43:56,840
let him down. And I know, you know, anything that's

671
00:43:56,880 --> 00:43:59,480
going to mess up hunting like is a big deal.

672
00:43:59,599 --> 00:44:04,119
So I just I was. I made it in my

673
00:44:04,239 --> 00:44:08,440
mind like I'm okay with staying here for this moment

674
00:44:08,960 --> 00:44:12,559
or this night. I'll take it day by day. But

675
00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:16,599
nighttime was hard. But you know, I wasn't going back

676
00:44:16,639 --> 00:44:21,320
out in them woods, not over there or really any woods.

677
00:44:21,360 --> 00:44:23,400
But if I seen a deer from the camp, I

678
00:44:23,400 --> 00:44:27,280
would shoot it maybe. But yeah, I mean it's been

679
00:44:27,400 --> 00:44:29,440
like that my whole life. Like I've never said no

680
00:44:29,559 --> 00:44:33,039
to my dad once. I've never raised my voice to him,

681
00:44:34,039 --> 00:44:37,400
So it's kind of all that. And I did end

682
00:44:37,480 --> 00:44:40,880
up leaving anyway, and you know, now he wants me

683
00:44:40,920 --> 00:44:43,039
to go back there every day is texting me, but

684
00:44:44,320 --> 00:44:44,920
I haven't.

685
00:44:45,000 --> 00:44:48,239
Speaker 2: You know, Yeah, that's just too much weight on a

686
00:44:48,320 --> 00:44:52,880
young back. I'm glad you haven't gone back. Your encounter

687
00:44:52,920 --> 00:44:56,280
happened ten days ago. On a scale from one to ten,

688
00:44:56,800 --> 00:44:59,440
how would you read how traumatized you are now by

689
00:44:59,440 --> 00:45:00,360
that experience?

690
00:45:02,800 --> 00:45:10,360
Speaker 1: Well, with that happening wherein when it did, and the

691
00:45:10,440 --> 00:45:18,519
fact that it caused, you know, an argument between me

692
00:45:18,559 --> 00:45:21,039
and my dad or really mainly him yelling at me,

693
00:45:21,199 --> 00:45:25,239
and even though he apologized the next morning and he

694
00:45:25,440 --> 00:45:28,599
was drinking and you know, but I mean it was

695
00:45:29,840 --> 00:45:32,119
it was all it's all revolved around this, you know,

696
00:45:32,159 --> 00:45:40,159
and it's just yeah, like those two things combined and now, well,

697
00:45:42,599 --> 00:45:46,039
yeah there's trauma there to some degree, Like I'm not happy,

698
00:45:47,039 --> 00:45:49,199
you know. It ain't like, oh I finally seen one

699
00:45:49,239 --> 00:45:52,559
of these things, Like no, I didn't want to ever

700
00:45:52,639 --> 00:45:56,039
see one of these, Like I had an interest or

701
00:45:56,119 --> 00:45:59,000
maybe I still do, I don't know, but if anything,

702
00:45:59,039 --> 00:46:02,159
one day, liked to maybe see a bigfoot, like while

703
00:46:02,159 --> 00:46:05,559
I'm driving across the road. But it's just too much

704
00:46:05,559 --> 00:46:08,639
and what it caused, and it's like every day it's

705
00:46:09,559 --> 00:46:12,079
these two things that happened, they're just in my mind,

706
00:46:13,639 --> 00:46:17,800
and yeah, it's ruining things for me for sure. I'm

707
00:46:17,840 --> 00:46:18,320
not sure that.

708
00:46:18,559 --> 00:46:19,039
Speaker 2: I don't know.

709
00:46:20,280 --> 00:46:23,039
Speaker 1: It's not good though, Well.

710
00:46:22,880 --> 00:46:26,280
Speaker 2: It's all so fresh, you've had time and I'm thinking

711
00:46:26,320 --> 00:46:28,880
it is going to get a lot better. And as

712
00:46:28,920 --> 00:46:31,960
far as your dad goes, I'm pretty disappointed in him.

713
00:46:32,599 --> 00:46:34,000
If you won thing, if you didn't know what a

714
00:46:34,039 --> 00:46:36,599
dog man was before this all happened, but he knew

715
00:46:36,599 --> 00:46:40,440
what one was. And with that said, he definitely didn't

716
00:46:40,440 --> 00:46:42,400
make this as easy for you to deal with as

717
00:46:42,400 --> 00:46:44,920
he could have. You made this a lot more difficult

718
00:46:44,960 --> 00:46:47,239
in a lot of ways. And yeah, for that, I'm

719
00:46:47,239 --> 00:46:51,840
pretty disappointed in him. But oh well, you'll have that sometimes.

720
00:46:52,840 --> 00:46:56,119
Have you had any trouble with nightmares due to that experience?

721
00:46:58,280 --> 00:47:03,159
Speaker 1: Ah my? Yeah, just one the day it happened after

722
00:47:03,199 --> 00:47:05,719
my dad's deer. We're all done with that and everything.

723
00:47:06,920 --> 00:47:09,039
I don't know, it's just exhausted, and I laid on

724
00:47:09,079 --> 00:47:13,239
the couch and fell asleep, and I imagine he was

725
00:47:13,320 --> 00:47:15,480
right there, you know, five feet away from me at

726
00:47:15,480 --> 00:47:19,719
the table. We said at the whole time. But I

727
00:47:19,719 --> 00:47:22,199
don't know. I got my nightmare was. I don't really know.

728
00:47:22,599 --> 00:47:26,519
I can't remember now, but I thought I had woke up,

729
00:47:28,519 --> 00:47:31,039
but really this is me dreaming. I went up to

730
00:47:31,119 --> 00:47:34,079
my dad and I was like yelling for him because

731
00:47:34,119 --> 00:47:36,679
I knew something was wrong, and like he wasn't answering,

732
00:47:37,960 --> 00:47:44,679
and then like I woke up. I don't even know

733
00:47:44,679 --> 00:47:47,199
if this is real. Then I'm back and having this nightmare,

734
00:47:47,239 --> 00:47:50,360
and I woke up again and he told me like, no,

735
00:47:50,480 --> 00:47:52,400
you never got out of that, and came and talked

736
00:47:52,440 --> 00:47:56,039
to me. So I don't know about that. But when

737
00:47:56,079 --> 00:47:59,440
I actually did wake up, he said I was screaming

738
00:47:59,559 --> 00:48:07,000
dah Dad like a lot, and repeatedly. And I don't

739
00:48:07,039 --> 00:48:10,199
normally ever yell in my sleep that I know of

740
00:48:10,360 --> 00:48:15,440
or people have told me, so I'm not sure. I can't.

741
00:48:16,199 --> 00:48:20,039
I know at the time, I just can't remember what

742
00:48:20,199 --> 00:48:23,079
was going on in the dream. The only part I

743
00:48:23,119 --> 00:48:26,880
do remember is dreaming walking to my dad in the

744
00:48:26,920 --> 00:48:30,760
camp and screaming his name. You're trying to get to him.

745
00:48:32,079 --> 00:48:34,000
Speaker 2: People do a lot of things after a dog me

746
00:48:34,079 --> 00:48:38,079
in the encounter they normally don't do, so that's entirely possible.

747
00:48:38,159 --> 00:48:41,480
You just might have done that. What did your dad

748
00:48:41,519 --> 00:48:43,840
tell you about his encounter? Sounds like you might have

749
00:48:43,880 --> 00:48:48,000
seen one.

750
00:48:47,679 --> 00:48:52,480
Speaker 1: That was I think two years ago. We stayed up

751
00:48:52,519 --> 00:48:54,920
there for the summer pretty much because he was off

752
00:48:54,960 --> 00:48:59,320
of work, and I mean we'd run, you know, to

753
00:48:59,400 --> 00:49:02,360
town and stuff. But Anyway, it was a night I

754
00:49:02,440 --> 00:49:07,119
decided to sleep home, which god, I'd been at camp

755
00:49:07,400 --> 00:49:12,800
like slept there every night pretty consistently, and this night, yeah,

756
00:49:12,840 --> 00:49:17,239
I slept home. My daughter came over and stuff. But anyway,

757
00:49:17,320 --> 00:49:23,079
I think it was between like seven and ten at night.

758
00:49:23,440 --> 00:49:26,320
He texted me and he said, like literally his words are,

759
00:49:26,440 --> 00:49:33,000
I think I'd just seen a dog man, which we had, like,

760
00:49:34,719 --> 00:49:37,400
you know, in recent times, talked about these things because

761
00:49:37,400 --> 00:49:40,039
he didn't used to believe in none of it, but

762
00:49:40,639 --> 00:49:43,599
he had heard like a dog man's story from his

763
00:49:43,679 --> 00:49:46,679
boss or something, I think, and then I don't know,

764
00:49:47,079 --> 00:49:50,400
he decided that they're interdimensional. And ever since he decided

765
00:49:50,480 --> 00:49:55,480
or heard that, he thought, yeah, they are real. But anyway,

766
00:49:55,480 --> 00:49:57,800
that was all before now. He texted me that and

767
00:49:57,880 --> 00:50:00,920
told me where it was behind the camp, and I

768
00:50:00,960 --> 00:50:03,440
know the exact area. I went there the next day

769
00:50:03,480 --> 00:50:07,880
and there's really like there was like six foot tall

770
00:50:08,679 --> 00:50:13,880
just grass and weeds in this area. And it was

771
00:50:13,920 --> 00:50:16,880
at night, but we do have a floodlight that lights

772
00:50:16,960 --> 00:50:20,639
up the whole backyard and even into the edge of

773
00:50:20,679 --> 00:50:24,280
the woods a little, and you know, he's sitting at

774
00:50:24,320 --> 00:50:26,880
the table watching out this big bay window we have

775
00:50:27,119 --> 00:50:32,840
like always, and he seemed something moving through there and

776
00:50:32,880 --> 00:50:36,519
he said he thought like coyotder welf for a second

777
00:50:36,519 --> 00:50:40,800
and then he thought, well, no, it's too tall, And yeah,

778
00:50:40,880 --> 00:50:43,159
he said it. I asked him. I was like, did

779
00:50:43,199 --> 00:50:46,480
it look like it was on two legs, like where

780
00:50:46,519 --> 00:50:48,159
you could just see the head and part of the

781
00:50:48,199 --> 00:50:51,159
body or something, And he said yeah, and he said

782
00:50:51,199 --> 00:50:54,000
something around its face seemed messed up, like it looked

783
00:50:54,000 --> 00:50:57,280
like it had like a maybe a raccoon in its

784
00:50:57,360 --> 00:51:01,920
mouth or something, which made sense because he had been

785
00:51:01,960 --> 00:51:05,480
shooting some raccoons behind camp because there was just a

786
00:51:05,559 --> 00:51:09,599
million of them, not literally, but I mean there was

787
00:51:09,639 --> 00:51:11,360
a lot of them, so he was thinning them out

788
00:51:11,400 --> 00:51:14,320
a little. And I said, well, maybe it, you know,

789
00:51:15,199 --> 00:51:19,920
grabbed one of the raccoons that you know, that you

790
00:51:19,960 --> 00:51:23,199
shot and didn't realize you got because normally we'd go

791
00:51:23,239 --> 00:51:28,840
get them and chuck them somewhere else. But yeah, I

792
00:51:28,840 --> 00:51:30,519
mean he didn't. It was just you know, it was

793
00:51:30,599 --> 00:51:33,960
walking through there. That's what he thought he's seeing. I guess,

794
00:51:34,559 --> 00:51:38,360
not a good look, but was really tall grass. It'd

795
00:51:38,360 --> 00:51:41,320
have to be tall to him to see it above that,

796
00:51:42,239 --> 00:51:43,920
So I'm just not sure, you.

797
00:51:43,880 --> 00:51:47,679
Speaker 2: Know, do you think I'm reading him wrong. Some people

798
00:51:47,800 --> 00:51:50,599
just have a hard time getting their feelings across. With

799
00:51:50,599 --> 00:51:53,280
that in mind, it makes it really easy to misread them.

800
00:51:53,719 --> 00:51:56,480
But as far as your dad goes, it seems to

801
00:51:56,519 --> 00:51:59,119
me like he's not that concerned about your ability to

802
00:51:59,159 --> 00:52:01,840
come to terms with the encounter. Like I said, am

803
00:52:01,880 --> 00:52:04,119
I reading him wrong somehow?

804
00:52:05,639 --> 00:52:08,840
Speaker 1: Well? Yeah, I mean, I you know, I love my

805
00:52:08,960 --> 00:52:13,320
dad and stuff. He was just drinking too much that night.

806
00:52:13,480 --> 00:52:17,199
But I mean his thing with this kind of stuff

807
00:52:17,320 --> 00:52:20,599
is like he always acts like if he's seen one

808
00:52:20,800 --> 00:52:24,000
or in the woods, whether it be a sasquash dog man, whatever,

809
00:52:24,400 --> 00:52:27,000
he acts like he wouldn't be afraid and he'd shoot

810
00:52:27,000 --> 00:52:29,559
it if he had to, but he wouldn't unless he

811
00:52:29,639 --> 00:52:34,119
had to. And you know he so, and then it's

812
00:52:34,199 --> 00:52:40,280
right during hunting season, you know, And and I kept,

813
00:52:40,320 --> 00:52:42,960
i you know, kept bringing it up, and I even

814
00:52:43,000 --> 00:52:46,639
felt I brought it up and he didn't like it

815
00:52:46,639 --> 00:52:48,639
because he was about to go in the woods. I

816
00:52:48,639 --> 00:52:50,760
mean that's what he told me, like, stop talking about

817
00:52:50,760 --> 00:52:53,320
that now I'm going out there, you know. And I

818
00:52:53,360 --> 00:52:55,679
was like, Oh, I didn't think you were afraid of

819
00:52:55,719 --> 00:53:00,760
these things really, But yeah, like I don't want to

820
00:53:00,760 --> 00:53:02,719
be too harsh to my dad. You know, he just

821
00:53:03,719 --> 00:53:07,320
that day, you know, get friends stop by kind of

822
00:53:07,360 --> 00:53:11,280
early and they were drinking and they left, and the

823
00:53:11,360 --> 00:53:14,639
day I left, I mean so you know, I mean

824
00:53:14,679 --> 00:53:18,679
he did apologize the next morning and all that, but

825
00:53:19,679 --> 00:53:22,079
he just doesn't He just didn't understand, you know, like

826
00:53:23,039 --> 00:53:26,559
how much does he really believe in these things? And yeah,

827
00:53:26,599 --> 00:53:29,320
if he does, he doesn't understand. I've tried to tell him.

828
00:53:29,360 --> 00:53:32,000
I was like most people who've seen these things, like

829
00:53:32,440 --> 00:53:37,119
at least their face and everything aren't like like traumatized,

830
00:53:37,320 --> 00:53:39,760
you know, and that part I don't think he gets.

831
00:53:40,000 --> 00:53:42,400
I mean that probably have to happen to him for hisself,

832
00:53:43,480 --> 00:53:46,559
and like with mine, you know, it only turned around

833
00:53:46,639 --> 00:53:49,400
now one time to look at me, and I knew

834
00:53:49,440 --> 00:53:51,480
about this, so I kind of looked away when I

835
00:53:51,559 --> 00:53:56,039
did that. I just don't want anyone to get it wrong,

836
00:53:56,159 --> 00:53:59,480
Like if that thing came towards me or I've seen

837
00:53:59,519 --> 00:54:02,239
his face too long, I mean, that would have probably

838
00:54:02,280 --> 00:54:04,119
been it. I want to know them what to do,

839
00:54:05,719 --> 00:54:07,280
But yeah, I don't want to be too hard to

840
00:54:07,360 --> 00:54:11,239
my dad. Really, you know, it's just he don't understand.

841
00:54:11,280 --> 00:54:12,199
I guess that's all.

842
00:54:13,559 --> 00:54:15,119
Speaker 2: And it does sound to me like he has a

843
00:54:15,119 --> 00:54:18,000
hard time expressing himself when it comes to things like this.

844
00:54:18,760 --> 00:54:22,320
Hats off to him. He apologized to you the next morning. Yeah,

845
00:54:22,360 --> 00:54:26,880
good man for doing that. This is also fresh now, Josh.

846
00:54:26,920 --> 00:54:28,920
But down the road, how much of an effect do

847
00:54:28,920 --> 00:54:43,559
you think that encounters can have on interest in Honey.

848
00:54:37,400 --> 00:54:43,679
Speaker 1: You know, I'm more of a fisherman anyway. So yeah,

849
00:54:43,840 --> 00:54:50,079
I've thought about that. I don't know if I care to, really,

850
00:54:50,280 --> 00:54:52,760
I don't. I don't really have no interest ever in

851
00:54:52,840 --> 00:54:57,920
going back out to that blind you know, and and

852
00:54:58,079 --> 00:54:59,920
so hard because at the same time, I don't want

853
00:54:59,920 --> 00:55:04,639
to let my dad down. But there used to be

854
00:55:04,960 --> 00:55:08,119
you know, more people, my grandpa and my brothers, and

855
00:55:09,079 --> 00:55:11,400
you know, like if I'm not there now it's just him,

856
00:55:12,400 --> 00:55:18,440
and I hate picturing that. But yeah, be I don't

857
00:55:18,440 --> 00:55:22,960
know what I'm gonna do. I'd be fine not you know, hunting,

858
00:55:23,800 --> 00:55:26,800
at least not there. I'll probably always still get my

859
00:55:26,840 --> 00:55:35,119
dear tag just in case or you know, stuff like that. Yeah,

860
00:55:35,360 --> 00:55:37,719
I don't know. I probably don't. I don't think I'll

861
00:55:37,760 --> 00:55:39,760
be going back out in them woods anytime soon.

862
00:55:41,400 --> 00:55:45,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's understandable. You talked about this in Part one.

863
00:55:46,079 --> 00:55:48,199
You said that for the longest time you've wanted to

864
00:55:48,239 --> 00:55:52,679
see a sasquatch. Now that you've had that dog man encounter, though,

865
00:55:53,199 --> 00:55:55,360
would you still like to see a sasquatch? Are you

866
00:55:55,480 --> 00:55:56,039
good now?

867
00:55:58,320 --> 00:56:00,760
Speaker 1: No? I'm good. I mean I think them things are

868
00:56:00,800 --> 00:56:04,639
there too, from what I've seen and heard, and but

869
00:56:05,320 --> 00:56:10,039
I don't, you know, they seem to just like maybe

870
00:56:10,079 --> 00:56:12,199
make a noise to let me know I'm there, or

871
00:56:12,239 --> 00:56:15,199
that's what I'm hoping. I don't know, but I went

872
00:56:15,239 --> 00:56:17,199
back and forth on that for so long. Do I

873
00:56:17,239 --> 00:56:20,599
want to see one of these sasquatch? No, at most

874
00:56:20,639 --> 00:56:23,920
crossing a road, And now I really don't even care.

875
00:56:24,199 --> 00:56:28,280
But you know, people get traumatized for them too. What

876
00:56:28,400 --> 00:56:31,000
I want when walking up to my car, like where

877
00:56:31,039 --> 00:56:33,840
I am right now and I see it's face. No,

878
00:56:34,599 --> 00:56:36,800
it's all about when you see that face. I know

879
00:56:36,880 --> 00:56:41,119
it is, like that's a huge thing. People always talk

880
00:56:41,159 --> 00:56:45,599
about the face in both of these things. But if

881
00:56:45,639 --> 00:56:47,360
I had to pick one over the other, I would

882
00:56:47,360 --> 00:56:50,639
pick the sasquatch. But that could be just as bad,

883
00:56:51,000 --> 00:56:53,199
you know. I don't know. But nope, I don't want

884
00:56:53,239 --> 00:56:55,559
to see nothing. I really don't.

885
00:56:56,760 --> 00:57:01,480
Speaker 2: I can understand, I really do. Speaking of the whole

886
00:57:01,480 --> 00:57:04,480
Sasquatch activity thing, that's what you did say the first

887
00:57:04,480 --> 00:57:07,519
time we spoke that there was some activity report to

888
00:57:07,519 --> 00:57:10,239
death at Camp well More. Can you tell us about that?

889
00:57:11,599 --> 00:57:19,039
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was that summer. I stayed up there trying

890
00:57:19,079 --> 00:57:22,599
to think. Here. A lot of little things happened, like

891
00:57:22,760 --> 00:57:25,880
spread out like I heard at night. I heard a

892
00:57:25,920 --> 00:57:30,360
couple like whoop noises when I had the window open,

893
00:57:31,440 --> 00:57:38,320
and then a couple like knocks, and my dad was

894
00:57:38,320 --> 00:57:42,679
there for that. And me and my dad were outside

895
00:57:42,719 --> 00:57:45,960
one day and we heard something and then a tree

896
00:57:46,039 --> 00:57:49,400
fell like not that far behind camp in the woods,

897
00:57:49,920 --> 00:57:52,679
and then there was like a shriek over to our

898
00:57:52,760 --> 00:57:55,440
right and me and both my dad heard that. I

899
00:57:55,440 --> 00:57:59,039
remember him looking at me and he said, he's never

900
00:57:59,119 --> 00:58:04,159
heard a tree fall around there. I mean ever, not

901
00:58:04,239 --> 00:58:07,159
that it couldn't happen, but you know, it was during

902
00:58:07,199 --> 00:58:11,000
the day. There wasn't any wind or nothing. And then

903
00:58:13,119 --> 00:58:18,639
let's see, I know there was a couple other kind

904
00:58:18,639 --> 00:58:22,719
of bigger things that happened. But my dad came in

905
00:58:22,760 --> 00:58:24,880
and got me one day he was outside, I guess

906
00:58:24,880 --> 00:58:26,679
he was looking down the road and he told me,

907
00:58:27,239 --> 00:58:30,320
He's like, I don't know, Josh, there's either like a

908
00:58:30,360 --> 00:58:34,119
black bear down there, or maybe a really big guy

909
00:58:34,159 --> 00:58:36,400
with black clothes on, or you know. He didn't know.

910
00:58:37,320 --> 00:58:39,440
So I went out there with the binoculars, and like,

911
00:58:39,559 --> 00:58:43,480
way down the road I seen what looked like a

912
00:58:43,679 --> 00:58:46,440
huge black bear, like in the ditch, like maybe coming

913
00:58:46,480 --> 00:58:49,400
onto the road, and it wasn't sure, and I think

914
00:58:49,440 --> 00:58:54,239
I handed on to him, and then when he handed

915
00:58:54,280 --> 00:58:57,239
them back to me. I don't know how or why,

916
00:58:57,280 --> 00:58:59,360
but all of a sudden, I put the binoculars up

917
00:59:00,159 --> 00:59:03,079
and on the right side of the road walking our way,

918
00:59:03,199 --> 00:59:05,519
like I just seen a face, and I just put

919
00:59:05,559 --> 00:59:08,440
them down immediately because I thought it looks like I'm

920
00:59:08,440 --> 00:59:11,519
staring at someone and wanted to think that, you know.

921
00:59:11,679 --> 00:59:14,840
And I don't know how or how it got that close,

922
00:59:15,679 --> 00:59:18,000
or if it was a person, I don't know. But

923
00:59:18,079 --> 00:59:22,880
we went inside and we watched out the window because

924
00:59:22,920 --> 00:59:25,639
whoever and whatever it is, it has to go by

925
00:59:25,840 --> 00:59:29,960
the camp. So we just watched the road by the camp.

926
00:59:32,000 --> 00:59:35,920
Basically it never went by, or we thought, you know,

927
00:59:38,920 --> 00:59:42,760
it hasn't gone by yet, but realistically it would take

928
00:59:42,920 --> 00:59:45,079
quite a bit of time. But I went out there anyway,

929
00:59:45,440 --> 00:59:48,519
And I looked to my right where we seen this

930
00:59:48,559 --> 00:59:52,760
thing and possibly that person. I didn't see nothing. And

931
00:59:52,840 --> 00:59:55,800
I looked to my left, and like, I don't know,

932
00:59:56,000 --> 01:00:00,679
fifty sixty seventy yards down there, there's what looks like

933
01:00:00,719 --> 01:00:05,360
a huge person walking away. And I don't have the

934
01:00:05,360 --> 01:00:09,960
binoculars this time, but they're just all black. And I'm

935
01:00:10,000 --> 01:00:12,760
not thinking sasquatch or anything like that either, not even

936
01:00:12,800 --> 01:00:15,920
a little. So I can't figure out why this person,

937
01:00:16,960 --> 01:00:19,320
like clearly if it's a person, they got like black

938
01:00:19,440 --> 01:00:22,880
snow pants on and like a big black poofy jacket

939
01:00:23,400 --> 01:00:26,400
and have their hood up, and I can't see any

940
01:00:26,400 --> 01:00:29,960
separation in clothing. So I just went to get my dad,

941
01:00:31,360 --> 01:00:34,559
which is just real quick, you know, like the roads

942
01:00:34,599 --> 01:00:37,719
right there, the camps right there. He came back out.

943
01:00:38,719 --> 01:00:41,119
I'd say it took maybe ten to no more in

944
01:00:41,239 --> 01:00:44,880
fifteen seconds, for sure, But either way, that thing or

945
01:00:45,000 --> 01:00:48,280
person has a lot more road to walk, and they

946
01:00:48,280 --> 01:00:52,480
somehow got by our camp by I guess, going through

947
01:00:52,480 --> 01:00:56,760
the woods and around, but I don't know how they

948
01:00:56,760 --> 01:00:58,880
could do that in that amount of time than it was.

949
01:00:59,039 --> 01:01:01,360
But me and my dad went back out there, and

950
01:01:01,400 --> 01:01:04,440
now there's nothing. You know, you can just see for

951
01:01:05,519 --> 01:01:10,440
ever until the gravel road hits the next road. So

952
01:01:10,519 --> 01:01:13,400
that was really weird. And on the way out, we're

953
01:01:13,440 --> 01:01:15,719
walking back out there with my dad and he says, well,

954
01:01:15,760 --> 01:01:17,880
maybe it was like, you know, like a sasquatch, or

955
01:01:17,880 --> 01:01:20,679
he just said the word sasquatch and it clicked in

956
01:01:20,760 --> 01:01:22,599
my head, and I'm like, oh my god, maybe that's

957
01:01:22,599 --> 01:01:25,719
why I couldn't see, you know, no separation and clothing

958
01:01:25,800 --> 01:01:28,840
or nothing. And but then you know, we go to

959
01:01:28,920 --> 01:01:33,960
look and yeah, it wasn't there, So it had to

960
01:01:34,000 --> 01:01:37,440
have gone in the woods. I know that. Or if

961
01:01:37,440 --> 01:01:39,800
it was a sasquatch, they can just move so fast

962
01:01:39,800 --> 01:01:44,400
and do what they do. So my dad always said

963
01:01:44,400 --> 01:01:46,639
that that was a sasquatch because it couldn't get from

964
01:01:46,639 --> 01:01:49,760
point e point A to point B in that amount

965
01:01:49,760 --> 01:01:53,039
of time like a person couldn't do it. They absolutely couldn't,

966
01:01:53,039 --> 01:01:56,760
not without going past their camp. So I don't really

967
01:01:56,800 --> 01:02:02,480
know about that one, but I mean, all these little

968
01:02:02,480 --> 01:02:07,039
things happening that are sasquatch related, noises and knocks and whoops,

969
01:02:08,000 --> 01:02:12,320
tree pushed over possibly, and then that leads me to

970
01:02:12,360 --> 01:02:14,480
believe that was possibly a sasquatch.

971
01:02:15,599 --> 01:02:18,559
Speaker 2: Sure sounds to me like there's a strong possibility it was.

972
01:02:19,360 --> 01:02:22,199
And it's funny you mentioned that encounter, that experience, because

973
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I had an encounter that was pretty similar to that. Now.

974
01:02:24,920 --> 01:02:26,960
I don't know for sure that it was a sasquatch

975
01:02:27,039 --> 01:02:29,960
that I saw anymore than you do. But if you

976
01:02:30,000 --> 01:02:32,159
want to listen to what happened to me, if you

977
01:02:32,239 --> 01:02:38,800
go to Sawdust Beast and Sawdust Dispelled sst instead of

978
01:02:38,840 --> 01:02:42,039
a single less but Sawdust Beast, if you look for

979
01:02:42,159 --> 01:02:44,840
my name Vic Kundiff, you can catch that interview where

980
01:02:44,880 --> 01:02:48,239
I talk about what happened that day. But having said

981
01:02:48,239 --> 01:02:50,280
all that, Josh, it's about time for us to get

982
01:02:50,280 --> 01:02:52,559
out of here. But before we do, doifney clothes and

983
01:02:52,599 --> 01:02:53,639
comments you want to put.

984
01:02:53,480 --> 01:02:59,480
Speaker 1: Out there for us? Yeah, sure, I guess. Once again,

985
01:02:59,559 --> 01:03:04,599
I just really want to say that. You know, some

986
01:03:04,639 --> 01:03:08,400
people might not believe me because I said I been

987
01:03:08,440 --> 01:03:12,800
watching these shows for years and my interest and certain things,

988
01:03:12,840 --> 01:03:15,280
you know, and I just want everyone to know I'm

989
01:03:15,320 --> 01:03:18,519
just telling the truth about what I've seen. I don't

990
01:03:18,559 --> 01:03:22,000
know if somehow something made me see those things and

991
01:03:22,039 --> 01:03:26,519
they weren't real, if they were spirits, anything, And I'm

992
01:03:26,519 --> 01:03:30,320
open to suggestions, but you know, I'm just telling my

993
01:03:30,400 --> 01:03:39,119
story and that's how it happened. And yeah, I guess

994
01:03:39,159 --> 01:03:42,559
I guess that's about that's about it. And yeah, Vic,

995
01:03:42,639 --> 01:03:46,320
I'll definitely go check out that show you mentioned there too,

996
01:03:46,559 --> 01:03:49,760
So yeah.

997
01:03:49,039 --> 01:03:50,800
Speaker 2: I'll tell you what I'll do. I'll post a link

998
01:03:50,880 --> 01:03:52,960
for that show that I did in the description for

999
01:03:53,039 --> 01:03:55,599
tonight's show. Had to make it really easy for you

1000
01:03:55,679 --> 01:03:58,079
to find it and anyone else who wants to listen

1001
01:03:58,119 --> 01:04:01,719
to it. But having said all that, thanks Against so

1002
01:04:01,800 --> 01:04:04,000
much for coming on for this part too, for the

1003
01:04:04,079 --> 01:04:06,519
Q and A. I really appreciate you coming back, and

1004
01:04:07,079 --> 01:04:09,800
always remember if you ever need help, I'll be there

1005
01:04:09,840 --> 01:04:11,800
for you. All you need to do is just let

1006
01:04:11,840 --> 01:04:13,400
me know and I'll be there.

1007
01:04:14,400 --> 01:04:18,000
Speaker 1: Thanks Vick, I appreciate it, and yeah, anytime, I'm glad

1008
01:04:18,039 --> 01:04:18,519
to be here.

1009
01:04:19,519 --> 01:04:22,199
Speaker 2: Well, that's great to have you. Thanks Against so much

1010
01:04:22,199 --> 01:04:46,599
for your time, Josh, and have a great night.