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Speaker 6: I don't know, Boss. The more I sit and think
Speaker 6: about it, I just think it's too funny that at
Speaker 6: the end of the wcw VHS Millennium Man release on
Speaker 6: SID that he basically found a way to complain about
Speaker 6: having to do the video.
Speaker 4: Shoot serious, I mean, he sits.
Speaker 6: There and he talks about how remarkable a symbol it
Speaker 6: is of his dedication to professionalism and being elite that
Speaker 6: he drove to a VHS recording that we made very
Speaker 6: clear by reading his contract last time on the tribute
Speaker 6: show he was paid for.
Speaker 4: Right of course. Well you know, hey, the guy's got
Speaker 4: you know, it's it's it's a hassle.
Speaker 6: Okay, it's a hassle for the man of the millennium.
Speaker 6: And we're about to cross that line and the story
Speaker 6: of Sid and our TLF tribute to Sid, which continues
Speaker 6: to unfold and unpredictable patterns in keeping with Sid Udy's
Speaker 6: life and times I think in so many ways.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, it's very true. He was a revolutionary
Speaker 4: of that regard.
Speaker 7: He was.
Speaker 6: And of course, if we're going to cap his story
Speaker 6: with World Championship Wrestling, which is of course the organization.
Speaker 6: Despite all of our WWF memories, he probably had his
Speaker 6: most colorful behind the scenes experiences in from stabbing motherfuckers
Speaker 6: of Oh yeah, it's going to be it's going to
Speaker 6: be incredible because he's brought back to be Sid. But
Speaker 6: in an organization that doesn't really have a shit together
Speaker 6: to really present SID. So he's going to get what
Speaker 6: he always wanted. Boss, He's basically going to book himself
Speaker 6: with just a generic direction in which he's pointed throughout
Speaker 6: the end of nineteen ninety nine and into the year
Speaker 6: two thousand. What do you recall if anything? I mean,
Speaker 6: we talked about his WCW run last time, the second
Speaker 6: WCW run, but anything from two thousand when he actually
Speaker 6: captured the big Gold Belt again, No, or for the
Speaker 6: first time again for the first time.
Speaker 4: Yeah, again, never got it. Only only what we know
Speaker 4: from star Kate, and I do know about the Chris
Speaker 4: Benoit thing, that's all.
Speaker 7: I know.
Speaker 6: What do you remember about that?
Speaker 4: Which part the Crispin wat thing? Yeah? I just remember.
Speaker 4: And obviously I don't even know if I remember it
Speaker 4: as a fan or if I remember it from learning
Speaker 4: about what happened later. I really don't know. I just
Speaker 4: know that I just remember that that they gave Ben
Speaker 4: Wamba title as a way to say, hey, don't go,
Speaker 4: but he went anyway, and then they kind of left
Speaker 4: in the complete ship storm, right.
Speaker 6: Yeah, Yeah, you pretty much have it. And it was
Speaker 6: who that Ben WA defeated. It was Sid, right, it
Speaker 6: was Sid?
Speaker 4: I Meyver said it. Uh the January show was it?
Speaker 4: Was it still sold out? Then that would be I mean,
Speaker 4: I'm sure it didn't sell out, but was it was
Speaker 4: it WCW sold out?
Speaker 6: It was sold out with it o uld thank you
Speaker 6: very much. That's right, which they were still doing despite
Speaker 6: that being an entire end concept.
Speaker 4: I know, I know it's so stupid, but I mean,
Speaker 4: WCW sold out just doesn't sound good at.
Speaker 6: All, especially nineteen ninety nine or two thousand.
Speaker 4: I wasna say it sounds actually pretty a little too
Speaker 4: accurate actually.
Speaker 6: Talk about straining credulity. WCW sold out in this era.
Speaker 6: Not a single show was. As Sid continues to prove,
Speaker 6: as we've demonstrated over the course of this entire tribute,
Speaker 6: that he is and was a draw.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 6: But here is Sid once again in the middle of
Speaker 6: absolute chaos. Not unlike the Steve Austin part of me,
Speaker 6: the Brett Hart Sean Michael's craziness in nineteen ninety seven
Speaker 6: or somehow, Sid is in the middle of all of
Speaker 6: it while having nothing to do with any of it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, what this is? Uh, what's the problem
Speaker 4: this is.
Speaker 6: The Kapper Man, because he's not only involved in the
Speaker 6: drama that leads to Chris ben Wah's departure with his
Speaker 6: tensions with Kevin Sullivan when Sullivan was regiven the book
Speaker 6: in WCW, but also the cross currents of Russo and
Speaker 6: Ferrara being brought in in October of nineteen ninety nine. Great,
Speaker 6: and this, this whole aforementioned incident with Ben which really
Speaker 6: I think comes to characterize Sid's second WCW run in
Speaker 6: so many ways, was a downstream effect of the fact
Speaker 6: that Russo and Ferrara, after just three months on the
Speaker 6: job were sent home or I'm sure if you asked
Speaker 6: Russo he went home as.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm sure. I'm sure it was his plan, right,
Speaker 4: he wanted to do it, He asked for the time off.
Speaker 6: Right, Well, he didn't ask the time off, But I mean,
Speaker 6: if they weren't going to do what he was hired
Speaker 6: to do, then he would gladly sit at home, bro
Speaker 6: and collect at check and look, you book the show
Speaker 6: an if you're not going to give me the responsibility
Speaker 6: that you hired me for, and et cetera, et cetera.
Speaker 6: And so what Russo comes up with is I shit
Speaker 6: you not? It will get there? Who did Russo want
Speaker 6: to put the world title on at that aforementioned sold
Speaker 6: out show, Boss, do you remember.
Speaker 4: Someone different than who? Well, wait a minute, hold on,
Speaker 4: let me think here. Would it have been Brett?
Speaker 6: Was not Brett? Brett was injured against Goldberg and had
Speaker 6: to relinquish, throwing all the booking plans As the year
Speaker 6: turns to two thousand and WCW into disarray.
Speaker 4: Right, that was at the time he got hit in
Speaker 4: the head and that was it. That was it.
Speaker 6: Yeah, he at Goldberg and then as we talked about
Speaker 6: an elapsed funk, he had that underappreciated match on Thunder
Speaker 6: where he landed on his head, right, and it never
Speaker 6: was the same.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 6: So, whatever the plans were on the drawing board for
Speaker 6: World Championship Wrestling in two thousand, with Brudhart coming into
Speaker 6: the millennium as world champion, we're now in the dust
Speaker 6: bin before things could even really get started. The whole
Speaker 6: NW two thousand angle that precipitated that went nowhere, and
Speaker 6: so now we have a reset, and so Russo, who
Speaker 6: still has the job coming into sold out two thousand,
Speaker 6: comes to the building with a game plan, and his
Speaker 6: game plan, boss, is to somehow engineer a series of
Speaker 6: circumstances were at the end of the night, none other
Speaker 6: than Tank Abbot would be WCW World Heavyweight Champion. Why
Speaker 6: ain't that the question? What does that do except suck?
Speaker 6: And that was a suggestion that was beyond the pale.
Speaker 6: There are already people internally like You're Kevin Sullivan and
Speaker 6: JJ Dillons, Bill Bush perhaps who were working at cross
Speaker 6: purposes with Russo, who had been trying to make the
Speaker 6: case for a long time that he wasn't the right
Speaker 6: fit for the job and his instincts were way off.
Speaker 6: And when he proposed this considering the relative and experience
Speaker 6: of tank Abbott, that was it. And Russo was sent
Speaker 6: home and they had to book the show on the fly.
Speaker 6: And it's in that vacuum that the Ben wah sid
Speaker 6: situation takes place, and all that yeah, yeah, flows downstream
Speaker 6: from it, because as we know, Ben wah was a
Speaker 6: was not was not unhappy, was happy, rather, i should say,
Speaker 6: and his contemporaries to see Russou come in because here
Speaker 6: was a guy who would book the WCW MIT carters
Speaker 6: to actually have an opportunity at the main events that
Speaker 6: was sustainable. Sustainable from the perspective of they wouldn't just get,
Speaker 6: you know, right pat on the head and then you know,
Speaker 6: declared a failure. So they were bullish on working under
Speaker 6: these new bookers, in particular Ben Wah because of his
Speaker 6: having married Kevin Sellib and his ex wife Nancy Sullivan.
Speaker 6: They didn't There was plenty of tension and no matter what,
Speaker 6: Oh sure, of course Kevin Sullivan represented a Chris Man
Speaker 6: WoT about having his best interests at heart and being
Speaker 6: able to separate business from pleasure. Ben Watchers wasn't going
Speaker 6: to buy that a Kevin Sullivan booking regime, which was
Speaker 6: installed after the aforementioned blow up with Russo over the
Speaker 6: tank abbot idea took shape. He just wasn't going to
Speaker 6: believe that Kevin Sullivan could book him the way that
Speaker 6: made sense for him in his career. And so what happens.
Speaker 6: We get the radicals, we get the departure, right.
Speaker 4: We get that. That's huge, that's the that's the game changer,
Speaker 4: right in a.
Speaker 6: Lot of ways. Nail in the coffin of WCW. Let's say, you, huh,
Speaker 6: was that the nail in the coffin of wcw uh
Speaker 6: in real.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah. I don't know if I knew that at
Speaker 4: the time when I was watching, but for sure that
Speaker 4: definitely is. I mean there's nothing you can do after that.
Speaker 4: You lose, you lose four four money. Well, I don't
Speaker 4: know what it's Saturday being money, but you know, at
Speaker 4: least three and a half money talents and one in
Speaker 4: one swoop. I mean, what are you gonna do with that?
Speaker 4: What are you gonna do after that? There's nothing you
Speaker 4: can do.
Speaker 6: Did Malenko's a money talent? Absolutely, He's a real divisive one.
Speaker 4: I mean, listen, I'm not saying he's a he's a
Speaker 4: top draw, but in in my opinion and that at
Speaker 4: that time, Dean Malenko demon Here's this is okay. This
Speaker 4: is to me what made it such a big hit.
Speaker 4: And I don't mean hit as in success. I mean
Speaker 4: hit as in against w CLO to WW big blow
Speaker 4: because I didn't Saturday. I didn't know or care that
Speaker 4: much about. But in my eyes, Milanko, Ben Wah and
Speaker 4: Guerrero were they were synonymous with WW. I'm not saying
Speaker 4: that they they they like were were the like the picture.
Speaker 4: You know, what do you call it the poster boys
Speaker 4: for WCW, but like, they're not anybody who I ever
Speaker 4: would have imagined would have jumped ship like they were
Speaker 4: just WCW, And so when they did, it was huge.
Speaker 4: And to have all three at the same time, you know,
Speaker 4: that's what you know, that's what made it made it incredible. Again,
Speaker 4: I don't know how they were. I don't know how
Speaker 4: they were in WCW in terms of individually being any
Speaker 4: sort of draw per se, but I just know that
Speaker 4: that they were top level working talent there.
Speaker 6: They were the kind of guys that on the increasingly
Speaker 6: shrinking list, the rapidly shrinking list of things the WCW
Speaker 6: could lay claim to being superior than WWF.
Speaker 4: Yeah, right, they were.
Speaker 6: They were the heart. They were the one thing you
Speaker 6: could point to to say, well, they don't have guys
Speaker 6: that can go like this, And maybe they did, maybe
Speaker 6: they didn't, But the point of the matter is that
Speaker 6: was still a calling card that WSW had in its favor,
Speaker 6: even as they were getting absolutely trounced by the attitude
Speaker 6: exactly exactly, and when even a guy like a Ben
Speaker 6: Wa or Eddie Guerrero can't find a home in the
Speaker 6: organization and would rather go to WWF, which is the
Speaker 6: land of the giants, where they hardly you know, at
Speaker 6: least the way things were constituted. Then, come to find out,
Speaker 6: on a pleasant surprise, they would basically reshape the WWF
Speaker 6: main card style around what these guys could do instead
Speaker 6: of forcing them in a four minute matches and stuff,
Speaker 6: because Russo had laughed and that whole mentality of WWF
Speaker 6: matchmaking and match approach it changed as well. So that
Speaker 6: was very good for them, you know, that was it.
Speaker 6: If even they couldn't find a way to pencil out,
Speaker 6: the WCW was the better place for them to be.
Speaker 6: It's over, it's over, and Sid again is just like
Speaker 6: this locust of the apocalypse who has no fucking clue
Speaker 6: that he's walking into some of the biggest, most you know,
Speaker 6: tectonic plate shifts in the wrestling business, because all he's
Speaker 6: thinking about is, you know, what the next injury is
Speaker 6: that he can cite for a return to the ranch,
Speaker 6: you know, And it's hilarious and all the scale AUSI is.
Speaker 4: A world champion and it's what, I mean, what a
Speaker 4: fucking what what's up with that?
Speaker 6: Now? Well they look around, it's like they're fucking screwed,
Speaker 6: and they look around they're like, I guess Sid. Then
Speaker 6: he's big. People know him. And that's the story of SID.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I know that is that is it?
Speaker 6: That is it gets the spotlight when something goes horribly,
Speaker 6: horribly wrong and nobody has any time to reconstitute a
Speaker 6: new master plan. And by the time they do constant
Speaker 6: master plan, he's almost never part of it.
Speaker 4: See what they don't know, See what they don't understand
Speaker 4: is that they bring me in because they need it right.
Speaker 4: They say, Sid, Sid, I want you to come in here,
Speaker 4: and I want you to take over, because that is
Speaker 4: what SID does. SID is always there to save the day.
Speaker 4: I save w c W, I say WWE. I saved
Speaker 4: Sean Michaels. I saved Vienna sausage, and I do I
Speaker 4: save it. I always get two cans. I put one
Speaker 4: in the cupboard, I put one in the garage, the
Speaker 4: pop top of it. I always save a vienna, just
Speaker 4: like I saved WW.
Speaker 6: SID always has a vienna.
Speaker 4: See, they would have gone under had I not come
Speaker 4: out there, they would have gone under nineteen ninety nine
Speaker 4: fall of nineteen ninety nine, that company would have gone down.
Speaker 4: But then they brought in Sid, and Sid was that
Speaker 4: lifeline because Sid said enough.
Speaker 6: And the game WCW played it was simple, and they
Speaker 6: do simple.
Speaker 8: You know what.
Speaker 4: They gave me my contract and it was simple.
Speaker 6: Thank God for that. And imagine how challenging it would
Speaker 6: be if it was complex, Because.
Speaker 4: If I couldn't read it and I didn't get what
Speaker 4: I want, I don't know what I would I might
Speaker 4: have had to take it anyway.
Speaker 9: Haha.
Speaker 6: You know, he would have been so out of sorts,
Speaker 6: he would that he would have taken the contract.
Speaker 4: Anyway, done the fucking if they did a bunch of
Speaker 4: legal jargon and said that he was gonna basically work
Speaker 4: for free, he would have taken it because he wouldn't
Speaker 4: know any better.
Speaker 6: Said, to take it anyway is the most extreme and
Speaker 6: unpredictable thing someone like Sid could do exactly instead of
Speaker 6: find some security is root around it. So this is
Speaker 6: just fascinating, and it's just wild that Sid sits at
Speaker 6: the nerve center of it all and all he's doing
Speaker 6: is like shrugging his shoulders and just doing what they
Speaker 6: tell him to do kind of, because this check is amazing.
Speaker 6: I mean, we've heard him talk about it. This guaranteed
Speaker 6: w stub contract is unlike anything he's really experienced. He's
Speaker 6: gotten guaranteed money from Jim Hurd and stuff in the past,
Speaker 6: but it's been sort of it's been sort of equally
Speaker 6: enticing to do the the upside WWF contract, where yeah,
Speaker 6: I'm not getting guaranteed this money, but if I do
Speaker 6: a couple of hot programs I can I can do
Speaker 6: well over that and fill buildings right right, This is like,
Speaker 6: you know, he's out filling buildings Towards the end of WWF.
Speaker 6: He probably was in his rights to start to think, well,
Speaker 6: all right, that's the end of the wrestling thing, or
Speaker 6: at least at a high level. Goes ECW and back
Speaker 6: to Memphis, as we've talked about, and all of a sudden,
Speaker 6: he's offered more guaranteed money he's ever seen in his life,
Speaker 6: with all kinds of favorable contractual terms. It's time for
Speaker 6: SID to thrive, boss, I know exactly.
Speaker 4: It's like, has there ever have there been? Have there
Speaker 4: been any wrestlers who have survived as well as SID
Speaker 4: on pure dumb luck? Oh? Man, Well, think about it.
Speaker 4: I'm talking about a multi time world champion on fucking
Speaker 4: dumb luck.
Speaker 6: I don't think there's been someone that has looked a
Speaker 6: gift horse in the mouth as much as Sid did
Speaker 6: during his wrestling career, who was still able to have
Speaker 6: so much success and so much show high profile exposure. Yeah,
Speaker 6: I mean nothing. You put Nash in that category, You
Speaker 6: could put Summon in this category. But for Sid, it
Speaker 6: was just that he kept he kept fucking up opportunities. Yeah,
Speaker 6: and it just didn't matter. I mean, he almost stabbed
Speaker 6: arn Anderson to death. Right, Fine, I guess totally to
Speaker 6: the business. He's he's got a job again in the
Speaker 6: same company, aren't there, right, which we haven't touched on yet,
Speaker 6: which we will in this episode of our TLF tribute
Speaker 6: to Sid as we turn the page to get another
Speaker 6: holiday season. And that's when things get really really spicy
Speaker 6: around here, don't they. Boss. Yes, they do quite a
Speaker 6: bit of the logs to throw in the fire in
Speaker 6: celebration of TLFX. Oh yeah, and we'll get to all that.
Speaker 6: But for Sid, I mean the way it's unfolding and
Speaker 6: the way you should start to, you know, calibrate your
Speaker 6: expectations through the end of the year, as we'll talk
Speaker 6: about in this episode. He wraps up his WCW run
Speaker 6: in a manner most unfortunate, most unfortunate. I sure hope
Speaker 6: when he signed that contract in nineteen ninety nine that
Speaker 6: no one told said to break a leg, because my god,
Speaker 6: oh man, I mean, have you grappled with that reality before?
Speaker 4: Did you?
Speaker 6: Did you know that happened to the man?
Speaker 8: No?
Speaker 4: No, I didn't know that. I don't think. I'm trying
Speaker 4: to remember. I mean you, I mean, listen, you changed
Speaker 4: my whole education of wrestling, So you must have told
Speaker 4: me at some point that had happened. But honestly, I
Speaker 4: don't recall. But then I know, I do know that
Speaker 4: that at one point I was certainly inspired to look
Speaker 4: it up on YouTube in early YouTube days, Yes, were
Speaker 4: back when it was like the the you know, place
Speaker 4: to go to find Kenna Kobashi.
Speaker 6: Mans Is inspired the word.
Speaker 4: Yes, Yes, I was inspired to witness maybe the one
Speaker 4: of at the time, I would say, the most grotesque
Speaker 4: injury I've ever seen in the world.
Speaker 6: Again, it's how sid is that? I mean, a guy
Speaker 6: who yeah, you know what I mean, he took his licks,
Speaker 6: We talked about it. He worked harder than he had
Speaker 6: a reputation for. But how does a guy like sit
Speaker 6: in up in that position. It's so sick.
Speaker 4: I mean yeah, I mean he's just like again to me,
Speaker 4: that's just he's got complete dumb luck, both good and bad.
Speaker 6: Bad fortune and dumb work.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, like he just I mean, I the big,
Speaker 4: the big question. I always why is he doing that move?
Speaker 4: We'll get to that. Why are you doing that move?
Speaker 4: Why are you up there? I mean, I don't know,
Speaker 4: I can't. I'm trying to remember if and think if
Speaker 4: if we've seen him do second rope moves before, and
Speaker 4: I don't remember, if we had occasionally a double act
Speaker 4: off the top weird occasionally a double acts off the top,
Speaker 4: off the top, Yeah, I've seen it. I think, wow, right,
Speaker 4: I mean that's crazy right there. I wouldn't do that.
Speaker 4: But it's it's just it's just stupid. It's just fucking stupid.
Speaker 6: It's somehow so sid I don't know how to put
Speaker 6: worse to it. But it's like this this guy, he's
Speaker 6: he's he is a walking womp womp that's what he is,
Speaker 6: you know.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he.
Speaker 6: Bless the man he gave.
Speaker 4: But anybody can, if anybody can, like just do an
Speaker 4: entrance with him where you come. You hear the music
Speaker 4: hit play, but the moment he comes through the curtain,
Speaker 4: it's just a womp wam.
Speaker 6: You don't even just add that in there, please, I mean,
Speaker 6: there's plenty of opportunities to add it in and this
Speaker 6: run is no exception some of things that come out
Speaker 6: of his mouth, some of the scenarios that he's placed into,
Speaker 6: like being asked to act and things like that just
Speaker 6: completely tone deaf to Sid's long list of limitations. Okay,
Speaker 6: we've heard and we've demonstrated. I think over the course
Speaker 6: of this tribute that you don't just give Sid complicated,
Speaker 6: long winded material and expected to be any good. You
Speaker 6: just don't You just yeah, right, the guy has money
Speaker 6: in him. Now, a guy has money in him. But
Speaker 6: you need to know what to accentuate and what to
Speaker 6: dial down. You have to because otherwise he looks like
Speaker 6: a guy who's just he's just out in the middle
Speaker 6: of the ocean without a paddle. And yeah, and this
Speaker 6: World Champs to Prestling run stare oh fool like he
Speaker 6: has no idea He was a deer in that horrific
Speaker 6: nineteen ninety nine WCW logo or the headlights Are we
Speaker 6: going to get to it all here as our tribute
Speaker 6: continues to unfold. So in terms of setting expectations through
Speaker 6: the year, what we'll talk this time about at the
Speaker 6: end of Sid's run, what we'll talk the next time about,
Speaker 6: what precipitated the end of the run, and all of
Speaker 6: the contexts and story behind that. It is a as
Speaker 6: a much richer story than I think you probably anticipate
Speaker 6: and appreciate. And then we'll we'll we'll let Sid right
Speaker 6: off into the sunset. So that's how we're gonna help.
Speaker 6: If he if he if he if he goes in
Speaker 6: the right direction, and that's what I'm saying, we'll let
Speaker 6: him do it. It doesn't mean he will.
Speaker 4: You know, if he's trying to find a sunset, he
Speaker 4: might be going east for all we know.
Speaker 6: You know, like you know they say, like if you
Speaker 6: love something, let it go, and if it comes home,
Speaker 6: like Sid, you'll let him go, and he'll try to
Speaker 6: come home, but he'll he won't find home, So you'll
Speaker 6: you'll take the wrong message. If you love him, let
Speaker 6: him go, and you know what the problem is, he'll
Speaker 6: get lost and he'll let him coming back. Said to
Speaker 6: be the guy who like you let go, he tried
Speaker 6: to come home, but he got lost, and so you
Speaker 6: took the wrong idea from it for the rest of
Speaker 6: your life. And he's spent the rest of his life
Speaker 6: trying to find out how to get home.
Speaker 4: He's you know what he is.
Speaker 6: He's a He's a character in a Cohen Brother's picture.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, oh, oh, absolutely absolutely.
Speaker 6: I think I know what I mean by that. But
Speaker 6: what do you think I mean by that?
Speaker 4: Because I'm not sure, but it fits well. I mean,
Speaker 4: you know, in a weird way. I mean, he's like
Speaker 4: a mix of of of Donnie and Walter in Big Lebowski.
Speaker 4: He's like a mix, like he's got the the bravado
Speaker 4: and the loud, barking voice of John Goodman in The
Speaker 4: Big Lebowski, but he's got the brain of Steve Buscemi.
Speaker 4: You know, that's what it is.
Speaker 6: And he's got the career path or the or the
Speaker 6: journey path of you.
Speaker 4: Know, you can you can. I can see him fucking
Speaker 4: like like John Goodman in the movie, taking a gun
Speaker 4: out in the middle of a fucking bowling alley. But
Speaker 4: I also see him like not sure what's happening next
Speaker 4: to him.
Speaker 6: Perfect perfect, he sees the threat that's coming six miles away,
Speaker 6: but he doesn't see someone has a gun pointed at
Speaker 6: his temple at this exact moment, right, pretty much, And
Speaker 6: he belongs in a brother where art thou?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I've never you know, that's one Coen Brothers movie
Speaker 4: I've never seen.
Speaker 6: I think that's where I came from in my mind.
Speaker 6: Is I'm like, OK, if he's wandering the landscape trying
Speaker 6: to get home, yeah, I.
Speaker 4: Just couldn't use that as a reference because I don't
Speaker 4: know it.
Speaker 6: I don't know the movie maybe coming soon under the cinemat.
Speaker 6: Now that I made that comparison, you know, I feel
Speaker 6: like that might be that hardly qualify somebody's in it,
Speaker 6: but it might be you know, that might be coming
Speaker 6: soon a deeply, deeply possible.
Speaker 4: So we're taking a quick look at the list here now,
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, yeah, the list is always handy. It's always there,
Speaker 4: it's always present. I mean, you get to understand, it's
Speaker 4: just so now not yet, not yet, that one hasn't
Speaker 4: made the cut, not made the cut yet, right, so
Speaker 4: they can consider the gun look thrown down. Just know
Speaker 4: we're talking. I mean, God, almighty, I've got I've got
Speaker 4: six hundred movies.
Speaker 6: All right, it's fine, we get through those.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, that's six hundred first.
Speaker 6: Three hundred and fifty six days in years, will take
Speaker 6: us like two years, right, because we'll do one every day.
Speaker 6: We'll do it every fucking day.
Speaker 4: That'll be doing every fucking day.
Speaker 6: It always blows my mind when somebody that I know
Speaker 6: is like a really fervent listener like, well, we'll up
Speaker 6: dat us and say all right, I'm up to an
Speaker 6: episode from like the TNH series. I'm like, oh my god, Yeah,
Speaker 6: you've got a long way to go.
Speaker 4: But you know, so it happens.
Speaker 6: You know, people jump on board at different times, but
Speaker 6: everybody wants to go and start at the beginning because
Speaker 6: that's the only way to do it.
Speaker 4: Hey, I understand, I understand. I mean you know that
Speaker 4: you get, you get, you get the whole thing. I mean,
Speaker 4: we're you're you know, we are a an episodic but
Speaker 4: also serialized same time.
Speaker 6: Absolutely, and you know we talk about elf on a shelf?
Speaker 6: What about fucking casts on a shelf? You know, what
Speaker 6: about that shelf life?
Speaker 4: Your damn right shelf life.
Speaker 6: Indeed, we head into the holiday season and there's no
Speaker 6: shortage of ways to make sure that the lapsed fan
Speaker 6: in your life has a merry Christmas and a happy
Speaker 6: holiday season, because we're just going to start bursting at
Speaker 6: the seams. I mentioned, uh kind of how the sid
Speaker 6: journey will We'll continue to unfold here, and I've just
Speaker 6: accepted it's a journey at this point. I'm no longer fighting.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it is, I mean it is. I mean, look,
Speaker 4: we've been on it for like what two months now.
Speaker 6: We'll just they want every little detail, you know, I can't.
Speaker 6: I'm like, I'm like, okay, we'll pink with a broad
Speaker 6: brush here. We'll cover five years and like a half
Speaker 6: of a show. And someone's like, oh, I can't wait
Speaker 6: for you to talk about this one thing he said
Speaker 6: in nineteen ninety seven. I'm like, okay, I can't.
Speaker 4: I can't wait for you to talk about the time
Speaker 4: he clipped his fingernail, you know, at his mom's house
Speaker 4: in between two WW shows.
Speaker 6: And so we always we always adjust and attune ourselves.
Speaker 6: We're like a We're like a plant, a plant that
Speaker 6: starts leaning in the direction of the sun to continue
Speaker 6: feeding off that nourishment from the solar system as it
Speaker 6: continues to glow upon us in celebration of ten years
Speaker 6: of lapsed as we enter a new decade of dominance,
Speaker 6: and you know it's it's going to be in addition
Speaker 6: to the wrapping up of the SID series, it's going
Speaker 6: to be significant because we're going to start dropping on
Speaker 6: you the the twenty twenty four TLF unwrapping that's right
Speaker 6: coming your way in December. It's definitely going to be
Speaker 6: at least boss twenty four days of Christmas here at
Speaker 6: t LF.
Speaker 4: Oh, at least, there's so many there's so fucking many,
Speaker 4: so many gifts episode, so many gifts, it's insane.
Speaker 6: So you guys are insane. Really, that's all I'm going
Speaker 6: to say. Really took care of business this year. The
Speaker 6: third unwrapping a TLFX miss. Indeed it will be, and
Speaker 6: so expect the main feed to be taken over by
Speaker 6: an orgy of unwrapping. Yeah, as the Solar system looks
Speaker 6: to you know, make it real, make all this real,
Speaker 6: tangible in our hands, and we look forward to sharing
Speaker 6: all that with you and hope you check out each
Speaker 6: and every morsel that we'll be putting under the tree
Speaker 6: this holiday season. In addition to the SID series taking
Speaker 6: its final lap, will also be transitioning out of what
Speaker 6: has been one of the most remarkable things to happen
Speaker 6: under the cinemat easily into Christmas movie season. But foss,
Speaker 6: we do need to update the people on Bond because
Speaker 6: we revisited it after a quick pause for scary movie season,
Speaker 6: and my god, are we rounding third?
Speaker 4: I mean, it's it's quite you know, it's so interesting
Speaker 4: coming back to it, and I think, I mean, you
Speaker 4: actually tell me now, like, was that the right move anyway?
Speaker 4: Was it the right move to take that break? Yes,
Speaker 4: given what you know with the the Daniel Craig stuff, Yes,
Speaker 4: you know it works because it just the continuity is different. Yes,
Speaker 4: So yeah, we got our last one, our last one
Speaker 4: coming up. It is it's a little I gotta tell you.
Speaker 4: You know, it's like every fucking journey. It's like every
Speaker 4: fucking journey we ever do, and including this one for
Speaker 4: that matter. It's like there comes, you know, every journey,
Speaker 4: there's a You start off strong, it's always very exciting,
Speaker 4: it's always fun. In the in the middle, it always
Speaker 4: gets a little hard. Not like that it's that it's
Speaker 4: not interesting or that it's not fun, but when you're
Speaker 4: kind of like, okay, we got to move this thing along?
Speaker 4: How do we move this thing along? And I mean
Speaker 4: I felt I felt that way even the first one WrestleMania.
Speaker 4: You know, we kind of got into an area like
Speaker 4: especially in like the the early two thousands of WrestleMania's
Speaker 4: or like mid two thousands WrestleManias, we're like, okay, come on,
Speaker 4: can we just wrap this fucking thing? You know? And
Speaker 4: same thing, But then get to the end and it's
Speaker 4: almost like, oh shit, like there's just it's just bittersweet.
Speaker 4: There's it's always a bittersweet ending. And I've got that
Speaker 4: feeling inside where I'm like, man, this has been so
Speaker 4: much fun. It's been so great. It's been exhausting, it's
Speaker 4: been crazy, but it's like this has been so much fun.
Speaker 6: Had to be done.
Speaker 4: It did happen.
Speaker 6: That's what you take solace in because when yes, you
Speaker 6: feel like you should be seventy five percent of the
Speaker 6: way done and you're only thirty five percent of the
Speaker 6: way done, keeps you going on. Service to the solar
Speaker 6: system is that it must be done, like if not us,
Speaker 6: who And so it's gonna get agreed, We're gonna keep going.
Speaker 6: We're gonna yeah, We're gonna just clear the decks until
Speaker 6: the mission is accomplished, until until the recipient is satisfied. Okay, satiated,
Speaker 6: left breathless.
Speaker 4: I mean, I mean, here's the thing. You ready for this?
Speaker 4: And it's it's not gonna happen for a while, but
Speaker 4: I already know what the next I'm the Cinema Turney
Speaker 4: is going to be.
Speaker 6: You do I do breaking news, Yep, I do. It's
Speaker 6: not gonna be for a while, long time. But I've
Speaker 6: got an I've got a plan, and you're not going
Speaker 6: to divulge it right now. No fuck, no, I want
Speaker 6: you to get wet. Most people say wet the appetite. No,
Speaker 6: I want you to get wet at the thought of it.
Speaker 6: We're gonna be looking for I guess maybe some films
Speaker 6: who'll be selecting in the near future that might be constant,
Speaker 6: might constant foreplay. Perhaps maybe we should look at a
Speaker 6: way perhaps, man, Yeah, you never know, a lot of
Speaker 6: tea leaves to read. I think in the months to
Speaker 6: come here Oh yes, t f h Q. But under
Speaker 6: the cinemat carneies are forever a full tour through every
Speaker 6: James Bond film that has a wrestling nexus. What a
Speaker 6: pleasure it's been, What a pleasure it will continue to be.
Speaker 6: And my god, if there's ever a time to jump
Speaker 6: into the ep A above tier at patreon dot com
Speaker 6: slash lapsed, now is the time because you're getting peak performance.
Speaker 6: You're getting t LFX in made manifest through under this cinemat.
Speaker 1: It's the lall wrestling podcast, the wrestling podcast that knows
Speaker 1: the boys need their candy. It's the Lapsed Fan. He's
Speaker 1: the Lapsed Fan Wrestling podcast with Jack and Carno and
Speaker 1: JP Soro.
Speaker 6: And so we really do hope you join us. It'd
Speaker 6: be a great way. I don't know, if you're just
Speaker 6: catching up. Maybe through the holidays one thing, slow down
Speaker 6: a bit, you know, people trying to get through the
Speaker 6: workday with the podcast in the year all day you
Speaker 6: know that.
Speaker 4: Us that I mean, think about that especially, think about
Speaker 4: that that that time period between Christmas and New Year's.
Speaker 4: You know, if you got to work between them, we're good.
Speaker 4: We're a good thing for that.
Speaker 6: On folks, get your bond on your co chairs. I
Speaker 6: never thought in a million years that I end up
Speaker 6: being such a bond enthusiast as somebody who as I've
Speaker 6: talked about didn't watch any of them front to end
Speaker 6: before this journey began. And Boss Boss found a way.
Speaker 6: Boss found a way, just like I tried to do
Speaker 6: with like World Class and you know a w at
Speaker 6: the Trial of his life or even t na yea,
Speaker 6: you got it. You got to keep going and you
Speaker 6: have to show yep, Well, what's never gonna happen to
Speaker 6: us is what happened to like you know of Vince Russell,
Speaker 6: like where the audience detects that the booker cares less
Speaker 6: about the details than the audience.
Speaker 4: No details are fucking key.
Speaker 6: And that's the hill we're going to die on or
Speaker 6: thrive on. And so far it's been more than thriving
Speaker 6: and long continue so under the Cinemat executive producer tier
Speaker 6: and above. This is indeed the time. I don't know
Speaker 6: if you've got any doozies on tap for Christmas movie season.
Speaker 6: We have gotten some incredible, incredible films over the years
Speaker 6: in that time period, but can you give people a flavor.
Speaker 4: I I I'll say this, Okay, So I've admitted that
Speaker 4: there is a certain affection that I've had towards the
Speaker 4: miss Christmas movies. Oh yeah, you struggling because they're just
Speaker 4: so stupid and they're just fucking idiotic. So I've got something.
Speaker 4: You know, he hasn't made one, I don't even know
Speaker 4: in the last movie he's made. He hasn't made many
Speaker 4: since in quite a while. But I found something in
Speaker 4: that vein that I think will be a fun that'll
Speaker 4: be a fun little uh jaunt. And then I'm I've
Speaker 4: got a couple in mind for a quite a doozy
Speaker 4: main event. There's one that I'm really hope and I
Speaker 4: can lock in.
Speaker 6: So psyched out of your mind about.
Speaker 4: Yeah, pretty much, I would say just that, yeah, psyched out.
Speaker 6: Because you know, if you haven't been listening to Under
Speaker 6: the cinemat since the beginning. As wonderful as the epics
Speaker 6: have been and the huge sweeping, you know, Godfather episodes
Speaker 6: and things like that, the heart of it is really
Speaker 6: just like the heart of TLF, Like, what's the zaniest,
Speaker 6: weirdest shiit, what's the bad stuff that we can make good?
Speaker 4: You know, it goes yeah, and just what's the stuff
Speaker 4: that we can look at and say, what the fuck
Speaker 4: is this? Holy? I listen, listen. I am bummed that
Speaker 4: Kevin Nash didn't have a Christmas Movie. I would have
Speaker 4: done that right away, all right, that'd been right on
Speaker 4: the list. Fail on the archives. Vone in the cinemat
Speaker 4: by the way, Santa Sligh featuring Goldberg. Oh yes, absolutely,
Speaker 4: I mean look, I mean look our first our first shows.
Speaker 4: The first time we did under the cinemat, it was
Speaker 4: Christmas Movies. That's how we started with Muscles, Santa with
Speaker 4: Muscle my God, come on, folks, Santa with muscles, and
Speaker 4: and uh uh yeah, of course Santas Slade, Jingle all
Speaker 4: the way and uh and die Hard were the first four.
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, that's right. Wow memories.
Speaker 4: Well we got fucking introduced. I mean, what a think
Speaker 4: about that? Where you go right introduced to uh, to
Speaker 4: a norbirth group. First first four shows him to get
Speaker 4: Norbird group.
Speaker 6: Just wrestlers that you'll never you'll never see put under
Speaker 6: the spotlight.
Speaker 4: That's the fucking beauty of it, all right. That's the
Speaker 4: that's the fun part for me is finding these clowns
Speaker 4: that you know, that that you know they needed to
Speaker 4: make a living and they and then they end up
Speaker 4: becoming actors or stunt people or whatever like. But in
Speaker 4: the meantime they had to fucking wrestle. It's all they
Speaker 4: could do.
Speaker 6: In some ways, it was kind of like a spiritual
Speaker 6: extension of what we were going for with connecting the spots.
Speaker 6: Long time. Yeah patrons will remember when w W would
Speaker 6: post in the old network a hidden gem with a
Speaker 6: wrestler from you know, the fifties or something that no one,
Speaker 6: you know, that very few had heard of. We would
Speaker 6: go in, we would go hard, and we would try
Speaker 6: to understand like who this person was and what contexts
Speaker 6: they fit into, and it was so much fun. And
Speaker 6: then come to find out there was so much crossover
Speaker 6: between Hollywood and old wrestling. I know that this is
Speaker 6: just annoying way to do it, another mechanism, you know.
Speaker 4: And the thing is, I get that's the been, always been.
Speaker 4: The biggest surprise is that everyone makes a big deal
Speaker 4: out of a rock or or Batista or Sina Hogan,
Speaker 4: Sina whatever. But it's like these guys have been doing
Speaker 4: it forever. There are people who are doing it, who've
Speaker 4: been doing the like Wrestlers being in movies is as
Speaker 4: old as fucking cinema at cinema, at cinema.
Speaker 6: I mean, in so many ways because they share they
Speaker 6: share common ancestry with the stunt man the world.
Speaker 4: Yep, exactly how to take it. They know how to
Speaker 4: they know how to play gruesome people. You know that
Speaker 4: that's there's so many people, there's so many wrestlers who
Speaker 4: who you know, just nobody remembers. And I'm that's what
Speaker 4: thrills me. That honestly is what thrills me the most
Speaker 4: is when I get you know, I either find or
Speaker 4: someone gives me a movie and we get to and
Speaker 4: it's somebody I've never heard it before, it's somebody from
Speaker 4: another country, and we get to find out. I gotta
Speaker 4: find out who this fucking guy is, right, and find
Speaker 4: out and find any wrestling, any wrestling evidence. And that's
Speaker 4: the best part, the best part.
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's correct. And I bring up, you know, connecting
Speaker 6: the spots, and I bring up hidden Gems kind of
Speaker 6: forlornly because we got over it a while ago when
Speaker 6: they made the transition here in the States to peaking.
Speaker 4: Oh fuck my life.
Speaker 6: I don't know if you've seen any screen grabs those
Speaker 6: international folks that have been fortunate enough to still have
Speaker 6: the traditional WW network with all the stuff that we
Speaker 6: put up there. January first, twenty twenty five, it's done. Yep, Netflix,
Speaker 6: why would you want the W network? Why would you
Speaker 6: want that? Why would anybody want that? But I don't
Speaker 6: know what was kind of what kind of pisses me off.
Speaker 6: I mean, I guess they want the eyes on their thing,
Speaker 6: but it's like, it's kind of I wish that they
Speaker 6: would do that, that ownership of the network would go
Speaker 6: to somebody else or something like that, and they would,
Speaker 6: I don't know, get whatever they need to get form it,
Speaker 6: maybe get money or whatever. But with the maintenance of it,
Speaker 6: it's just like, let it be.
Speaker 4: Let the network be the way that it always was,
Speaker 4: and then just people, you know, like Peacock can put
Speaker 4: its fucking thing on it, and then Netflix can put
Speaker 4: its fucking it's it's you know, make make make it,
Speaker 4: make it the Netflix w W network. I don't fucking care.
Speaker 4: But just that the way that it was was just great.
Speaker 4: I mean, the Peacock thing is is a fucking shit show.
Speaker 4: It's so awesome, so awful, like they've never they've never
Speaker 4: made it better. It's a joke.
Speaker 6: I mean, people are free can out Because there was
Speaker 6: some like verbiage in the email that went out about
Speaker 6: WW network ending on January one, about how like select
Speaker 6: archive will be available on Netflix.
Speaker 4: Of course, it's going to be like you know, it's
Speaker 4: going to be like nothing because because you know, they're
Speaker 4: not going to start doing They're not going to start
Speaker 4: transitioning the networks of over now why would they do it? Now?
Speaker 4: They'll do it. They'll do it on December thirty first,
Speaker 4: they'll start transferring shit over.
Speaker 6: And will they do I mean, we gave up so
Speaker 6: much from the network to Peacock. Yep, you think the
Speaker 6: full Peacock archive is going to go to Netflix?
Speaker 4: Fuck?
Speaker 6: No, why not?
Speaker 4: Because why would I do that? Why would I want
Speaker 4: to take the time?
Speaker 6: We take the time and here we are, right, that's
Speaker 6: like you guys, we like there's not an argument for it.
Speaker 6: It's just it's just not worth it. So sad, Okay,
Speaker 6: it's just not worth it, so sad. So why if
Speaker 6: I don't think it's worth it, why should you think
Speaker 6: it's worth it? They did set up a U Tube
Speaker 6: channel called the Vault, which is kind of promising, but
Speaker 6: we need the archive we need we need We don't
Speaker 6: need the Vault sending us breadcrumbs. We need access to
Speaker 6: the Vault. I know, like I want full you know,
Speaker 6: I do love the like the certain little things, but
Speaker 6: like I need full shows. You've got they have full
Speaker 6: shows and events that just need to be seen.
Speaker 4: So stop it. Stop being bitches.
Speaker 6: I mean, look, listen to me, folks. One hundred dollars
Speaker 6: a month, people will pay it. Yeah, what are you
Speaker 6: gonna do this under the same corporate umbrella that has
Speaker 6: UFC Fight Pass with every last fist that's ever been
Speaker 6: thrown in an MMA organization sitting there for all the
Speaker 6: watch with no like shopping it around, maybe because no
Speaker 6: one wants it, but you know it's like, guys, like,
Speaker 6: just take care of you, take care of the people
Speaker 6: that are going to be with you until you're out
Speaker 6: of business. Like that's that's something you have to keep
Speaker 6: in mind. I think Netflix is going to give a
Speaker 6: fuck about not at all Awa SuperClash, you know what
Speaker 6: I mean.
Speaker 4: They don't fucking.
Speaker 6: And we get what we deserve because we were started.
Speaker 6: You know, that's why this started. The lapsed fan started
Speaker 6: because when the network came out, they were talking about
Speaker 6: what the lapsed fan wanted.
Speaker 4: Remember this, right, yep. They were doing.
Speaker 6: Powerpoints and investor calls, talking about investor decks, talking about
Speaker 6: how many lapsed fans that were out there and how
Speaker 6: this network was going to be the vehicle to recapture them.
Speaker 6: And aw strum the same guitar too. When they got started,
Speaker 6: and it was like, oh, ye oh, really you're gonna
Speaker 6: tell us what the lapsed fan wants. Let's let let
Speaker 6: us tell you. Okay, you're gonna put that exactly. You
Speaker 6: put this bounty in front of us. Let us do
Speaker 6: ten years worth of lucrative podcasting to prove to you
Speaker 6: that this is what the LAPS fan wants. Our listeners,
Speaker 6: even if they don't listen to us, they represent the
Speaker 6: kind of person that you want to life to customer value,
Speaker 6: whatever a fucking acronym you want to come up with
Speaker 6: in business school for it. That's where it's at. But
Speaker 6: now let's just put let's just put the last five
Speaker 6: years on Netflix, right, Let's just.
Speaker 4: No one needs the whole thing. No one's gonna be
Speaker 4: watching wresting, you know, fucking wrastling from the seventies. We're here,
Speaker 4: we're for hire. Put us in charge. You'll never get
Speaker 4: another complaint again. You won't have to lift a single finger.
Speaker 4: We are the one, just like yeat. Let us have
Speaker 4: the fucking tape archive. We talked in there, and let
Speaker 4: us put sh it up.
Speaker 6: And how frustrating is it to talk to somebody like
Speaker 6: Matt Camp, who we talked to this year, who was
Speaker 6: in the belly of the Beast, who is fighting this
Speaker 6: same fight. It's it's not even like there aren't people
Speaker 6: inside that don't realize it. It's even when pointed out
Speaker 6: to them, these people who think they're gonna win an
Speaker 6: Emmy for TV production just can't fucking get it. They
Speaker 6: just can't. They just can't countenance the fact that all
Speaker 6: that matters is servicing the fans you have, and then
Speaker 6: the rest is all gravy. I don't know, man, I'm
Speaker 6: not looking for or to this new turning of the page.
Speaker 4: And in that vein, it's it's it's never listen, it's
Speaker 4: it's it's gonna get worse before it gets better.
Speaker 6: Why is that necessarily a fact? What kind of attitude
Speaker 6: is that?
Speaker 4: Because you know, because they don't make it easy, and
Speaker 4: they don't make it fun, let's fucking get it all right,
Speaker 4: and and and they don't know what they're doing.
Speaker 6: It's so true, like you know, they even if they
Speaker 6: put a good product in the ring, it's like these
Speaker 6: little things that you're just like, what are they doing? Like,
Speaker 6: why are they bothering with this? Why are they not
Speaker 6: doing this over here?
Speaker 4: Why aren't they doing anything else? But yeah, I mean like,
Speaker 4: is it that hard? Apparently it is that hard.
Speaker 7: I know.
Speaker 4: I yeah, that that is it. It is that fucking hard.
Speaker 6: Here's how you do it. Just take it from us.
Speaker 6: Here's how you do it. You start with the earliest
Speaker 6: year you have footage from. Yeah, I'd love to know
Speaker 6: if the footage is stored by year, because they don't
Speaker 6: make it this much easier and you just upload one
Speaker 6: thing every day.
Speaker 4: Listen, I'm sure it's alphabetical.
Speaker 6: Fucking why would it be alphabetical?
Speaker 4: Why wouldn't it be alphabetical? That's the wrong question.
Speaker 6: I can't believe that it's it's that difficult, because they
Speaker 6: find really obscure clips for like their documentaries and stuff
Speaker 6: really quickly. You know, they're able to find like you know,
Speaker 6: the A and E stuff, Like they're able to find
Speaker 6: these moments that weren't even on television that are sitting
Speaker 6: somewhere on like b roll that they have. They seem
Speaker 6: to call upon that pretty pretty easily. I don't know
Speaker 6: how much work. It is takes, but do they another
Speaker 6: brand new world. It's going to be a new year
Speaker 6: in a new world. Until then, we can still seep
Speaker 6: in the juices of of TLFX in twenty twenty four
Speaker 6: and in the vein of the transition of Netflix. You
Speaker 6: do want to be locked into Patreon dot com slash
Speaker 6: the lapsed fan For another reason, We're going to be
Speaker 6: closing out twenty twenty four in style in the form of.
Speaker 4: Live calls because while oh yes, oh yes, they're.
Speaker 6: Probably hearing this post, probably with the Survivor series coming
Speaker 6: up the Saturday after Thanksgiving tradition, the post Thanksgiving tradition,
Speaker 6: it has a certain ring to it, doesn't it?
Speaker 4: It does it does? It definitely makes me get excited
Speaker 4: for a holiday, except the way I don't because it's
Speaker 4: after the holiday. Just do it.
Speaker 6: Do it the garden every year, you know that way,
Speaker 6: Like you know, everyone who works in the office, like
Speaker 6: they have to work, but it's like you know, they
Speaker 6: can do half a day or something. People from Florida
Speaker 6: can fly up in three hours. That's where so many
Speaker 6: your people are. Maybe if they're all around the country,
Speaker 6: just you know, maybe they don't have to work. I
Speaker 6: don't know. I hate to take Thanksgiving away from anybody,
Speaker 6: but it's sitting there. It's sitting there, begging, begging to
Speaker 6: be activated. For the wrestling fan, it really is. It's
Speaker 6: it's the way it used to be, and it's the
Speaker 6: way it should be. It should be the Thanksgiving Eve
Speaker 6: or the Thanksgiving Day tradition.
Speaker 7: Right.
Speaker 6: Doesn't this make sense, especially in an era when they're
Speaker 6: willing to put Royal rumble in fucking February.
Speaker 4: It's so, it's just so.
Speaker 6: The live call coming your way as the art of
Speaker 6: war games continue, speaking of Ersten Wylt left journeys, indeed
Speaker 6: as the Bloodline exploads in the in the War Games Cage,
Speaker 6: and we'll also being with you for the return of
Speaker 6: Saturday Night's main event, These war Games, Saturday Night's main event.
Speaker 6: These things keep coming back, not because we're right when
Speaker 6: we say it used to be better, but because we're.
Speaker 4: Wrong, because we're because it's it's just it's just a
Speaker 4: happy coincident, Yeah.
Speaker 6: Exactly, and we need to really stop taking credit for
Speaker 6: the seven hundred things that happen thing, all right, And then,
Speaker 6: of course we plan to be with you for the
Speaker 6: aforementioned first raw on Netflix. This is turning out to
Speaker 6: be quite a big thing, a new era. I don't
Speaker 6: know if you heard about the problems buffering with the
Speaker 6: Jake Paul Mike Tyson fight, Boss, but I look forward
Speaker 6: to being live and in color as they fail to
Speaker 6: deliver the stream.
Speaker 4: Absolutely listen. I I hope, what I hope happens is
Speaker 4: that they end up canceling it, like fifteen minutes in
Speaker 4: dand up just saying, you know what, we can't do
Speaker 4: this stream tonight. They'll keep the show live for you know,
Speaker 4: and they'll probably they'll eric some of the time, but
Speaker 4: like the live stream, it just can't happen.
Speaker 6: They'll literally give up.
Speaker 4: Yeah exactly. They're just like, just fucking we get it.
Speaker 4: We have to restart our servers, the whole fucking thing.
Speaker 4: Just forget it. Just forget it. By the time we
Speaker 4: restart every reboot everything, it's gonna be fucking midnight. Forget it.
Speaker 6: I try to find the exact quote, because I triple
Speaker 6: hu did not in gender confidence when asked about the
Speaker 6: the Street.
Speaker 4: He's he's such a fucking why would he He's a
Speaker 4: fucking idiot.
Speaker 6: Eddieone who's throwing cold water on this thing needs to realize, well,
Speaker 6: you know him cold water, So I made that one up,
Speaker 6: but the fact that you thought he said it. So
Speaker 6: they asked him about it on Greg in the Morning Buzz,
Speaker 6: which is a talk show, and they were talking about
Speaker 6: what happened to the Hall fight and you guys are
Speaker 6: going to Netflix, aren't you afraid when you're a live
Speaker 6: that people won't be able to see the show and
Speaker 6: it'll fuck up like that? And he says, you start
Speaker 6: putting sixty million households all at once on the streaming service.
Speaker 6: If our first night buffers, and they come and say
Speaker 6: there were sixty to seventy million households watching, I'll be
Speaker 6: good with the buffering.
Speaker 4: Well about the mic buffering or the bruce buffering or
Speaker 4: the whatever.
Speaker 6: The mentality that that portrays, you know, like instead of saying, now,
Speaker 6: it's not gonna happen because he's.
Speaker 4: Got no he's got no fucking clue, all right, that's
Speaker 4: the thing about it. He's got no.
Speaker 6: Collecting all these live gate records and all these things.
Speaker 6: He's collecting all these numbers like it, you talk, anyone's
Speaker 6: gonna give a fuck when finally someone's done with playtime.
Speaker 4: You know, nobody cares about the fucking all right, about
Speaker 4: the fucking numbers. They just want to watch the fucking show.
Speaker 4: And if you can't produce the fucking show numbers, what
Speaker 4: good are you? I mean, it's gonna be.
Speaker 6: I sat there and I didn't care about the politic
Speaker 6: and fight that much. It wasn't like something that I
Speaker 6: was like, I didn't have a million people over and
Speaker 6: the pressure you know what I mean that that can create.
Speaker 6: I didn't have any of that. But I was just
Speaker 6: like sitting there, like someone has to be fired for this,
Speaker 6: Like if you can't deliver a live stream in twenty
Speaker 6: twenty four in accordance with if you can't predict the
Speaker 6: amount of people that are going to watch something like this,
Speaker 6: then you are just useless at your job. That's the
Speaker 6: whole fucking point of coming out of pocket for something
Speaker 6: like this is you anticipate big numbers.
Speaker 4: Right, I mean, it's not like they haven't known about
Speaker 4: this shit.
Speaker 6: I mean we crashed the servers. Yeah, that's the problem.
Speaker 6: That's not the that's not the positive attribute. That is
Speaker 6: a negative externality. Right, should not have crashed the servers, right,
Speaker 6: Just I could not believe that this was happening, and
Speaker 6: I also couldn't believe that they didn't like apologize or anything.
Speaker 6: If they did, I didn't see it and heads didn't roll.
Speaker 6: I mean, if this happened ten years ago, it would
Speaker 6: have set the whole thing back twenty years. Honestly, Like,
Speaker 6: if something this big was on streaming before people were
Speaker 6: really comfortable with the idea of streaming mostly everything they watch,
Speaker 6: like back when only Netflix is really the only thing
Speaker 6: you streamed. Live sports would not have happened on streaming
Speaker 6: for another decade because because people would have been so
Speaker 6: reluctant to spend of course, oh.
Speaker 4: My god, absolutely listen, it would all be a dead thing.
Speaker 6: The audience would drive and fail, and the content producers
Speaker 6: would also be like, dude, I'm not gonna I'm not
Speaker 6: gonna pull this effort into something that people are just
Speaker 6: going to be all pissed off about for things totally
Speaker 6: beyond my control, like the technology. Yeah, yeah, you got
Speaker 6: to get that right, and if your Netflix, you really
Speaker 6: got to get it right. So I don't know, I
Speaker 6: mean exactly, because you're the fucking you're the fucking pioneers.
Speaker 6: They're paying so much for this stuff. They're paying so
Speaker 6: much for raw and what the reason it's worth it
Speaker 6: is because they see they see the opportunity to expand
Speaker 6: into live, live, sports, live all that, and we all
Speaker 6: know the premium ad rates that that can command. But
Speaker 6: if you can't get the stream right, Amazon hasn't not
Speaker 6: a problem in the NFL. Like, please stop it, stop
Speaker 6: making excuses, stop throwing numbers in my face.
Speaker 4: Get it right.
Speaker 6: And I'm not looking ford to sitting here for live
Speaker 6: calls on Netflix in two years and we can't see
Speaker 6: half the show. I'm not looking forward to.
Speaker 4: That at all. Yeah, I am in a way.
Speaker 6: Weren't you over my house when they did the first
Speaker 6: Summer Slam on the network where Brock killed John Cena,
Speaker 6: We didn't know what happened.
Speaker 4: It just like froze, Yes, yeah, yeah, because we did
Speaker 4: a live show after.
Speaker 6: That froze and by the time this signal came back
Speaker 6: Brock at the belt in the air, we didn't know
Speaker 6: what the fuck appened.
Speaker 4: Well, let's not forget too that that. Remember the first
Speaker 4: WrestleMania Russemania thirty before we started doing the show, we
Speaker 4: watched it at your house, that's right, And to kind
Speaker 4: of like get an idea, it was like kind of
Speaker 4: a planning session for for a Labs fan about that
Speaker 4: and even that was a disaster.
Speaker 6: Disaster, and that's twenty fourteen. It was unacceptable then, so
Speaker 6: looking forward to that very much and so join us
Speaker 6: for that. Wait, you know, for us the downside is
Speaker 6: upside Okay, so oh for sure it's a disaster. Then
Speaker 6: just as well go back and listen to when we
Speaker 6: did the Return of the Wars remember that aw verus
Speaker 6: n XT and we were up to like one in
Speaker 6: the morning and it was like, this is not.
Speaker 4: Crazy, this is not it. This will not be the
Speaker 4: return of the two of the w W F WZW
Speaker 4: going at it and no, no, now, it's about being
Speaker 4: on Just forget it, say no more so.
Speaker 6: Yeah, premium live calls available to you for your Patreon
Speaker 6: dollar of course, ad free versions of the show. You
Speaker 6: get certain shows a day earlier than anybody else. It's
Speaker 6: it's more than worth it. And the under the Cinemat
Speaker 6: proves that. Russell Mamia for the Mote Tier members.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, and if we just had our we just
Speaker 4: had our Survivors series episode.
Speaker 6: Tell the people what they're missing with they're not plugged
Speaker 6: into the tip top tier.
Speaker 4: Well you missed. You missed me and my mom watching
Speaker 4: the Four Doinks, the quote unquote four versus Bam Bam, Bigelow,
Speaker 4: Bastion Booger and the Headshrinkers, the ninety Vivor series. That's
Speaker 4: what you missed.
Speaker 6: And if you're saying that's what I missed sarcastically, then
Speaker 6: say less we get we understand where.
Speaker 4: Just because if you think that's that's nothing, you don't
Speaker 4: know my mom, all right, because that's that's the key
Speaker 4: there is watching my mom with her innocent, naive eyes
Speaker 4: watching wrestling and you know, getting the kicker is she
Speaker 4: when she gets into it. It's like, you know, we
Speaker 4: we You can watch a couple of matches and I
Speaker 4: always do. I always have a warm up match and
Speaker 4: then we get into it, and by the time the
Speaker 4: second match comes about, she's just you know, lost in it.
Speaker 4: You know, she's lost in the world, like she can't
Speaker 4: She's just what she sees is what's happening.
Speaker 6: That's so wid Yeah, because people talk about that lot,
Speaker 6: you know, suspension of disbelief and everything in his wrestling fans.
Speaker 6: It's like I never feel like as a hardcore wrestling fan,
Speaker 6: I never really lose sight of the fact that it's
Speaker 6: not real. I feel very like intentional about suspension of disbelief.
Speaker 6: It doesn't often feel like something that happens to me organically,
Speaker 6: but maybe it does. When I look at people like
Speaker 6: your mom and people that do like my parents, I
Speaker 6: can remember like there is something magical about them starting
Speaker 6: the night, like defying and snickering at the whole thing,
Speaker 6: and like all of a sudden, the match hits in there,
Speaker 6: like reacting like this bad guy is an actual bad
Speaker 6: person doing bad things, right.
Speaker 4: I mean, they're drawn into it. You know, That's that's
Speaker 4: the beauty of wrestling. It's the beauty of really any
Speaker 4: storytelling is when you suck people. It's like, honestly, it's
Speaker 4: no different than reading a book. Yeah, and I'm kind
Speaker 4: of like okay, okay, okay, and then all of a sudden,
Speaker 4: I like get really excited and before I know it,
Speaker 4: I've read thirty pages. I how fck I read thirty pages.
Speaker 4: I can't read thirty pages if I try to. You know,
Speaker 4: it's that kind of thing, that kind of feeling. And
Speaker 4: you know, she listen, you know, we go to their
Speaker 4: house for Thanksgiving. I'm sure we're gonna be watching some wrestling.
Speaker 6: Aw's taglen has coming to be restored. The feeling Boss,
Speaker 6: I think the feeling is very much restored in the
Speaker 6: Moate tier. I would agree, because we're intentional about it,
Speaker 6: and we won't stop until it's restored, at least in
Speaker 6: our own hearts, which is all that really counts. And
Speaker 6: so upon another American Thanksgiving, we are in the spirit
Speaker 6: of issuing thanks and I can't think of any other
Speaker 6: cohort that we're more thankful for than our Mote tier supporters. These,
Speaker 6: I agree with the people that you know, go above
Speaker 6: and beyond. There's a thing that they always say when
Speaker 6: rich people complain that they're not taxed enough, which doesn't
Speaker 6: happen often, but sometimes happens, you can always come back
Speaker 6: and say, well, you can always pay more taxes than
Speaker 6: you owe. That's an option available to you. And these
Speaker 6: are the people who pay more taxes than they owe
Speaker 6: for the effort that we put in. And so for
Speaker 6: that reason, if nothing else, we need to serenade them
Speaker 6: here upon this Thanksgiving, in celebration of TLFX, we're talking
Speaker 6: about the roster. We're talking about Abel Lettier, We're talking
Speaker 6: about Adam Graver, we're talking about e x three. We're
Speaker 6: talking about Aiden Kivelhan and Alan Smith and Andrew and
Speaker 6: Austin King, Salifer and Blake Downing and Brad and Brandon
Speaker 6: Kaiser and Brendan Mow and Bren Erickson and Brian Blake
Speaker 6: and Brian Hinz and Chris Awesome, Mike Hogan and Chris
Speaker 6: Harris and Christopher Creva and Chuck Piacio and Coldstone, Steve Austin.
Speaker 6: How about Daniel and David Camminster, David Style and Dennis
Speaker 6: and Dominic Carrera, holl Cogen, Intern, Matt James, Irwin, Joe
Speaker 6: de Tolve, John Francis, Justin Davenport, Kevin Mills, Christopher Craig,
Speaker 6: Mark Dapper, Martin Ferguson, Marty Longhurst, Mike Hornicker and Monny
Speaker 6: Davis Junior, Nathan pedro Rios. How about Pete Cosey and
Speaker 6: Peter Rustling. Can't forget Robert Holtzhammer, Ryan balland Sam Fairbanks,
Speaker 6: The Homie, Scott, Michael Ferry, Sean McGerr, Shane, Stephen Laird,
Speaker 6: The sin Man ninety seven, The Pardon Me, The sin
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Speaker 6: zvs Choir, the Homie. These are our ride or Dies.
Speaker 6: These are the people that make podcasting worth it, and
Speaker 6: you owe them as much thanks as we do this
Speaker 6: Thanksgiving season for what we've created here at TLF. We
Speaker 6: love all our patrons, but these folks. These folks put
Speaker 6: fifties in the collection plate. Okay, yeah, yeah, they fucking
Speaker 6: know how to nut up. They do quality when they
Speaker 6: see it. They're out there and it's a list. We're like, okay,
Speaker 6: you don't get it. Well, these people, what are you saying?
Speaker 6: All these people are idiots? And in that vein, we
Speaker 6: finally did it. We finally created a T shirt that's
Speaker 6: for the non lapsed fan in your life. Oh yes,
Speaker 6: great suggestion from the Solar System boss jumped on it
Speaker 6: right away. Pro Wrestling Teas dot Com slash the laps Fan,
Speaker 6: which of course is the gallery of all of our
Speaker 6: t shirts available to you. Great holiday gifts for the
Speaker 6: lapsed fan in your life, or to request one as
Speaker 6: a TLF fan from a family member is a great.
Speaker 4: Move, and I'm sure there'll be some Black Friday sale
Speaker 4: coming up too.
Speaker 6: They've moved a couple already presenting the lapsed wife line.
Speaker 4: The lapsed wife. Okay, it's the lapse fan logo, but
Speaker 4: with wife and underneath the quote why are you laughing?
Speaker 4: This isn't funny? And there are two versions of it.
Speaker 4: There are two versions of it. I've got the classic
Speaker 4: red and white on a black T shirt, but I also,
Speaker 4: you know, maybe your wife isn't into wearing a black
Speaker 4: fucking T shirt, right, So there is a pink variation
Speaker 4: with a It's a kind of like a hot pink
Speaker 4: version with a light pink and white logo, so you
Speaker 4: know you can do that. I mean, that's kind of
Speaker 4: very stereotypically feminine. I'm not trying to do that. I'm
Speaker 4: just you know, Unfortunately, I'll just say this, Unfortunately, for
Speaker 4: some reason, Pro Wrestling Tea still doesn't allow us to
Speaker 4: have like a color change.
Speaker 7: You know.
Speaker 4: There are a lot of wrestlers and stuff who have
Speaker 4: the option to, like, I can put any of these
Speaker 4: shirts in a different color, you know, and but we
Speaker 4: don't have that option. So I just don't feel like
Speaker 4: I was like, well, I'm gonna do the two easiest
Speaker 4: ones right now. Maybe I'll have more down the line,
Speaker 4: but you know, it just sucks that we don't have
Speaker 4: that option, but.
Speaker 6: I think the creation of this is proof positive that
Speaker 6: this is. This is a cohort of people. The lapsed
Speaker 6: wife is a thing. There may not be many, Oh
Speaker 6: it is, it is, But like everything on the show,
Speaker 6: it's not about I think there are many of any
Speaker 6: of them. Yeah, yeah, I think so. I think there
Speaker 6: are quite a few who are like, why, yeah, why
Speaker 6: are you doing this with your time? And I think
Speaker 6: it extrapolates. I think it's not just about listeners of
Speaker 6: this particular podcast. It's listen, it's if you do anything
Speaker 6: beyond casually watch wrestling, this is your wife, and especially
Speaker 6: when you come at it for the perspective we do.
Speaker 6: It's just it's part of the pain and shame of
Speaker 6: the process.
Speaker 4: My wife.
Speaker 6: Absolutely, it's not funny. They're sitting there and they're laughing.
Speaker 6: It's not even right.
Speaker 4: I mean, this is I'll tell you, this is. This
Speaker 4: is the exact it's not hold back here. This this
Speaker 4: shirt is, honestly is the personification of when we've all
Speaker 4: our families have gotten together and we Jack and I
Speaker 4: start giggling about random, completely bizarre shit, and our wives
Speaker 4: just sit there and are just they don't know what
Speaker 4: to do. With them. So you have to eat. You
Speaker 4: have to know what we're talking about. If if you're
Speaker 4: if you're a married man in particular, you have to
Speaker 4: know what we're talking about here, Like this is this
Speaker 4: is the struggle to somehow retain your wrestling fandom.
Speaker 1: It's the last fan wrestling podcast, the wrestling podcast that
Speaker 1: knows the boys need their candy. It's the Lapsed Fans,
Speaker 1: the Lapsed fan Wrestling podcast with Jack and and JP Soro.
Speaker 4: I mean, think about the times that on the show
Speaker 4: that Jack and I have done the kind of wordplay
Speaker 4: ship that we do, you know, you know, and it's
Speaker 4: like back and forth, but we do that, you know,
Speaker 4: in person with people around you know, who wants to
Speaker 4: be around that.
Speaker 6: It's so true, Well we know it, we acknowledge it.
Speaker 4: To be around that when when the two of us
Speaker 4: are just busy entertaining our.
Speaker 6: So you have to know, Like if you're in the
Speaker 6: grocery store and someone what are you laughing at? And
Speaker 6: you can't even tell them, you can't you don't know
Speaker 6: what the first word to say is. That's what this
Speaker 6: is about.
Speaker 4: Listen. And I've told this too. I've been in that position. Absolutely,
Speaker 4: I've been in that position listening to art it's your show.
Speaker 4: I was listening to the fucking I was listening to
Speaker 4: to uh R A w A shows and I something
Speaker 4: we did just had me going. I was at a gym.
Speaker 4: It was the classic thing. I was at the gym.
Speaker 4: I was trying to do one of those you ever
Speaker 4: see that, You know, you get those those half balls
Speaker 4: and they're like soft on top, but it's got a
Speaker 4: base at the bottom. Sometimes you flip them over you
Speaker 4: try to balance yourself. Yeah. I was trying to do
Speaker 4: that all right, and do squats okay. And I was
Speaker 4: doing this one. I was doing Evil Dead. This is
Speaker 4: years ago now, and and young woman who is next
Speaker 4: to me and she's in the show, and all of
Speaker 4: a sudden she sees me almost fall off the fucking
Speaker 4: thing because I'm laughing so hard, and she says, oh
Speaker 4: my god, what are you listening to? And I'm like, oh,
Speaker 4: it's nothing, Oh my god. Do you imagine it's certainly
Speaker 4: not my own show.
Speaker 6: That's funny, it's certainly not my own show. Look, we
Speaker 6: get it, we get what we're doing to you, and
Speaker 6: this shirt is a recognition of that. We've met so
Speaker 6: many great laps girlfriends and wives over the years, and
Speaker 6: boyfriends and husbands.
Speaker 4: And they're supporters. I'm not saying that that every everyone
Speaker 4: is like that, they're supporters.
Speaker 6: But it's just we know, we understand, man, we we
Speaker 6: we have to somehow pour our heart into the show
Speaker 6: and then pretend that we don't ever work on it
Speaker 6: at all.
Speaker 4: I'll tell you what to whoever. If anybody is getting
Speaker 4: this for their wife for Christmas, please give me an
Speaker 4: audio recording, all right, Please get an.
Speaker 6: Audio promise that there's a promise if they're company to
Speaker 6: hear that.
Speaker 4: I need to hear. I need to hear the disappointment.
Speaker 4: That's what I need.
Speaker 6: What is you don't you don't expect me to wear this?
Speaker 7: Do you?
Speaker 4: Why did you give me this?
Speaker 6: Put that question right under the other too. Seriously, it's
Speaker 6: a it's a problem, boss, it is. We've been doing
Speaker 6: it long enough that we're like full grown adults.
Speaker 7: Now.
Speaker 6: There's no excuse anymore like it is now one pathetic Yeah.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, I'm you know, forty three years old, and
Speaker 4: I'm talking about trying to doing impressions of Randy Savage,
Speaker 4: trying to get his fucking dick hard. It's normal behavior.
Speaker 6: Doing body slam to with your toys.
Speaker 4: My toys as I'm yeah, exactly.
Speaker 6: I don't know what to tell you other than we're
Speaker 6: all on this boat together and we can either sink
Speaker 6: or swim together, but there's no third choice and progressingts
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Speaker 4: Also, we get some new some new SID line shirts up.
Speaker 4: We talked about the it's up now the I'm either
Speaker 4: eating waffles or I'm eating your face shirt is off.
Speaker 6: Said Line. I wonder if JR were called the SID
Speaker 6: clothes line.
Speaker 4: That We've got the Udi Mania shirt, which is Paulcomania style,
Speaker 4: but instead of red and yellow, it's blue and white.
Speaker 6: It's really sharp. I like it a lot, and it's
Speaker 6: what basically Vince promised him in ninety one.
Speaker 4: Right exactly. And then we've got the Santa Monica said,
Speaker 4: Santa Monica said shirt, which and I added to on
Speaker 4: the bottom, I put the the sw R an s
Speaker 4: w R logo, which is the SID World Ruler.
Speaker 10: Uh.
Speaker 4: I guess that is what I just decided to call it.
Speaker 4: And the World's Rule Monica said.
Speaker 6: The new World Ruler, right, it's what he is.
Speaker 4: Well, he's the SID World Ruler.
Speaker 6: He is and so wr the Vienna's shirts up there
Speaker 6: for your consumption and so much.
Speaker 4: We also got the the Church softball team, yes all
Speaker 4: the shells. I mean, if you want to go way
Speaker 4: back to we do have sid softball squad too, which
Speaker 4: was sponsored by Michler's Deli and Sterling Golden Pharmaceuticals. And
Speaker 4: I am V SMA. You gotta take it. I guess
Speaker 4: you gotta take it. It was you gotta. I don't
Speaker 4: remember what we had for a slogan for that one,
Speaker 4: but yeah, the I am I am V SMA.
Speaker 6: And of course for some premium.
Speaker 11: Oh.
Speaker 6: I was wondering if you had it. I didn't want
Speaker 6: to call for it because I don't know.
Speaker 7: It was.
Speaker 6: Excellent, excellent. A long time listeners will know the story.
Speaker 6: But yeah, and if you're looking to dial up your
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Speaker 6: like high end stuff, and just truly flattered by the effort.
Speaker 6: Dickeye is put in on our behalf and on behalf
Speaker 6: of others in the space, and we tip our cap
Speaker 6: to him for being as entrepreneurial as he's been. It's
Speaker 6: been really nice to be beneficiaries of his hustle in
Speaker 6: his ingenuity. So reward that.
Speaker 4: I'm waiting. I'm waiting for, you know, the right moment,
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Speaker 6: It's a tough call, it is.
Speaker 4: I mean, it's gotta be the right fucking moment, and
Speaker 4: the weather has to be right. I mean, forget most
Speaker 4: summer months.
Speaker 7: You know.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I mean it's not going to be the summertime, I.
Speaker 6: Know, let's put it that way. It's a heavy piece,
Speaker 6: it's a well made piece.
Speaker 4: I was blown away with. It's a beautiful, beautiful jacket.
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Speaker 4: Uh, get my house. We can get my house. Brother,
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Speaker 4: Who's paying to get into my house? That's what I'm
Speaker 4: talking about, dude, someone's paying to get into my house.
Speaker 4: The fans of the World Wrestling Federation What Nope, I
Speaker 4: understand something, dude. Yeah, which fans are you talking about?
Speaker 6: Ceiling fans?
Speaker 4: Well, first of all, I don't have any ceiling fans. Dude,
Speaker 4: No way am I putting something above my head?
Speaker 6: Well, all right, fine, that that stand up fan you
Speaker 6: have behind you?
Speaker 4: What brother, you're seeing as a fan in my house
Speaker 4: standing behind me? Dude?
Speaker 6: Yeah, you didn't put it there.
Speaker 4: Brother. I have my doors locked. There's no way a
Speaker 4: god can get in my house.
Speaker 6: Dude, I said a fan, Terry fan.
Speaker 4: I know, brother, a fan, a whok maniac? Dude, Did
Speaker 4: you what.
Speaker 7: I do?
Speaker 6: I do kind of want to know what would happen
Speaker 6: if you go to a whole cogaan autograph signing and
Speaker 6: you get to the table and you just look at
Speaker 6: him and go, did you.
Speaker 4: I wonder what he would do? Honestly, don't know, I.
Speaker 6: Don't think what he would do would be too far
Speaker 6: away from what we're suggesting. He would look at you,
Speaker 6: for sure and wait for you to say something. He'd
Speaker 6: be on guard just a bit.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah, he would definitely know that something was up,
Speaker 4: and that he definitely know that it's like, oh shit,
Speaker 4: all right, I gotta get defenses going on here. You know,
Speaker 4: you just look at him like a fucking battleship.
Speaker 8: You know.
Speaker 4: It's like all you know, everyone's getting behind their guns
Speaker 4: and their wide glides.
Speaker 6: Yeah, white glides. She look at him like, wait, did
Speaker 6: you wait? And you start backing up with your unsigned
Speaker 6: eight by ten. You start backing up like wa, and
Speaker 6: you just like run out of the out of the store.
Speaker 6: I'd love to see what you do.
Speaker 10: Then.
Speaker 6: Yeah, he would definitely have someone check around, sweep the sweep,
Speaker 6: you know. But yeah, that's that's Those are things that
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Speaker 6: so a lot of that business commenced with let's get
Speaker 6: back to someone who once played Santa. It's Goldberg and
Speaker 6: why goldberg feud versus Sid is now firmly underway in
Speaker 6: World Championship Wrestling, and the gamesmanship has begun, and there's
Speaker 6: a famous episode. Have you ever seen the clip of
Speaker 6: Sid standing on a pancaked vehicle, bouncing up and down
Speaker 6: on its remnants. Excuse me what, It's not enough that
Speaker 6: these two giants are going to collide. It's not enough
Speaker 6: that they've built up an entirely fictitious wind streak for
Speaker 6: Sid to rival Goldberg's. It's not enough that Goldberg's been
Speaker 6: on the shelf and kind of a way I'm going
Speaker 6: to make a big impactful return to finally challenge Sid
Speaker 6: to the ultimate colossal showdown. We also have to sprinkle
Speaker 6: in the suggestion that Goldberg is, let's say, sabotaging Sid's
Speaker 6: motor vehicles in the parking lot of WCW events, and
Speaker 6: one time, at the conclusion of an episode of Nitro,
Speaker 6: Sid makes his way out into the parking lot and
Speaker 6: finds his car flattened to the point that it's basically
Speaker 6: as low as his ankles to the cement just completely compacted,
Speaker 6: as if you know, put through a trash compactor, and
Speaker 6: he thinks it's Goldberg. And that's not what's important. What's
Speaker 6: important is the way in which Sid expresses his frustration,
Speaker 6: his revulsion at having been victimized like this, long may
Speaker 6: it go down in Sid Hall of fame moments.
Speaker 12: Oh my god, goad woad bad go ba.
Speaker 6: Do you see what I mean? Dey Han said a
Speaker 6: script where he's supposed to act like somebody who is
Speaker 6: beside himself had his vehicle being destroyed.
Speaker 4: Well, okay, can I tell you My favorite part is
Speaker 4: him saying Goldberg, where are you? Because I'm like, well,
Speaker 4: it's like I love the if something like that happened
Speaker 4: and you thought it was somebody, you'd run after them, right,
Speaker 4: You wouldn't sit there and ask them where they are
Speaker 4: and scream where they are?
Speaker 3: Where are you?
Speaker 6: He's screaming like he's looking for a dog that escaped
Speaker 6: the house. He really is, I said, he doesn't want
Speaker 6: to be found. That's the whole point of this operation.
Speaker 4: I don't care.
Speaker 13: Go bad?
Speaker 6: Can you a mood bad?
Speaker 14: Where you speak up?
Speaker 2: Damn it?
Speaker 4: Oh my god?
Speaker 15: What go bad?
Speaker 14: Whow bad.
Speaker 13: Bad?
Speaker 8: Go bad.
Speaker 6: I can't, Guy, I can't.
Speaker 4: I mean, what the fuck?
Speaker 6: This is the September twenty seventh night, ten ninety nine,
Speaker 6: nitro So still the bishoff kind of like you know
Speaker 6: Sullivan precursor to Russo's arrival, Nash kind of dusty. Yes,
Speaker 6: it's like an amalgamation of various failed prior to regimes
Speaker 6: And this is just the direction they thought they needed
Speaker 6: to go to build up Goldberg versus Sid first time.
Speaker 7: Like what the.
Speaker 4: Like does anyone ever scream like that when they find
Speaker 4: their car and there's damage to it, You have to know,
Speaker 4: squashed and stuff.
Speaker 6: But if you have to know, if you hand Sid
Speaker 6: material like this, he's gonna turn it into a complete mockery. Like, yes,
Speaker 6: you don't give Sid a role like this. I just
Speaker 6: I adore it. I adore it in everything receivable way.
Speaker 4: I mean it is. It is easily one of the
Speaker 4: fucking funniest things I've ever heard.
Speaker 14: Oh my god, what car?
Speaker 2: Go bad.
Speaker 7: Go go?
Speaker 4: Oh my god, what happened to my car?
Speaker 6: In case you know the audience didn't get it that
Speaker 6: something happened to Goldberg?
Speaker 4: Where are you Goldberg? Goldberg? Goldberg?
Speaker 6: I mean usually you just put like a prayer on
Speaker 6: the funeral booklet. But for Sid, I guess that quote
Speaker 6: will do. It's in like that cursive.
Speaker 4: Writing on the back exactly exactly.
Speaker 6: Oh man, So it's it's it's just as absurd as
Speaker 6: you would expect it to be. It's just as full
Speaker 6: of unnecessary twists and turns as you'd expect it to be.
Speaker 6: But here's the kicker. By the time they finally get
Speaker 6: to the match. By the time they finally get to
Speaker 6: Halloween Havoc nineteen ninety nine, Russo and Ferrara have taken over.
Speaker 6: They took over basically right before this show. And this was,
Speaker 6: for all intents and purposes, the first w W pay
Speaker 6: per view they booked. Now, they didn't say the card
Speaker 6: out because the card had been pretty much established before
Speaker 6: their arrival. But when it came time to figuring out
Speaker 6: how it would play out and finishes and stuff, that's okay.
Speaker 6: Look no further than the fact that when Hogan gets
Speaker 6: in the ring with Sting, he lays down and takes
Speaker 6: the fall for Sting and walks away. My favorite thing
Speaker 6: to point out when people act like Bash at the
Speaker 6: Beach two thousand was like this thing that had never
Speaker 6: been conceived of before and wrestling when Russo already did
Speaker 6: it in October of the year before, to Hogan to
Speaker 6: figure out a way to get him out of the
Speaker 6: picture for a little while. And so it's going to
Speaker 6: get really, really silly because now you have Russo and
Speaker 6: Ferrara with the reins and they're not they're not booking
Speaker 6: to matches they created. They're having to work backwards and
Speaker 6: find ways to spice up the presentation of what is
Speaker 6: being handed them. And there's a famous nitro. I know
Speaker 6: we've talked about it before. We may have even doved.
Speaker 6: Do you remember the nitro where Kevin Nash comes out
Speaker 6: in a SID mask?
Speaker 4: No, No, I wasn't watching.
Speaker 6: I think we did the nitro where he came out
Speaker 6: and imitated Vince McMahon. I'm pretty sure we did that one, right,
Speaker 6: You remember that?
Speaker 4: Yeah, that horrifying mask. Right.
Speaker 6: So this is in a similar vein he's wearing basically
Speaker 6: a Sid Halloween mask.
Speaker 4: What like, why does he do this? This is the
Speaker 4: third time at least that I know of, that he's
Speaker 4: done this.
Speaker 6: Dres up his arn Anderson, Yeah, because he thinks he's
Speaker 6: good at imitating other people. He doesn't even do their
Speaker 6: voices though. No, he's not good at it at all.
Speaker 6: But he's mister you know, every he has every Everyone
Speaker 6: laughs at his stuff backstage because they're afraid to cross him,
Speaker 6: you know, And so he misinterprets that is how hilarious
Speaker 6: would it be. It's not unlike Triple H doing the
Speaker 6: Rock as the Nation, remember that?
Speaker 4: Yeah he did it once? Yeah, I sure did, right.
Speaker 4: I mean that's the difference is that Nation is done
Speaker 4: at least thrice here, and he would do it way
Speaker 4: more if allowed to. So there's this segment with the outsiders,
Speaker 4: who you know, Russo had a hankering for booking, is
Speaker 4: like backstage troublemakers in those early night tros. That's the
Speaker 4: best way I can put it right. And you know
Speaker 4: they weren't rely wrestling. They were just like making sardonic
Speaker 4: comments and creating chaos and disorder. And they were in
Speaker 4: the ring and Sid comes out, pardon me, Nash comes
Speaker 4: out with the Sid mask on. Haul is in the
Speaker 4: ring with him, and Nash starts carrying on as Sid
Speaker 4: and making fun of him and things like that, and
Speaker 4: then Sid comes out and delivers canon, absolute canon. I'm
Speaker 4: not talking cannon fodder like EXPLOSIVESM so c A N
Speaker 4: O N. Okay, this is as Sid as anything will
Speaker 4: play for you throughout the entirety of this look at
Speaker 4: his life and times.
Speaker 7: Here.
Speaker 6: Yeah, the.
Speaker 16: Outsiders got a little message for Big Si in Vicious.
Speaker 14: Said, you're as dumb as your look, and I've got.
Speaker 4: The bruise right now.
Speaker 6: So Mass is making the said face and shaking his
Speaker 6: head using a dun hon humble.
Speaker 10: I am the ruler, I'm the worm.
Speaker 4: He does a great said voice, doesn't he, And.
Speaker 3: It off for you.
Speaker 12: Come and look at the same time, Hoppy the US champion.
Speaker 15: Right now they're making sit up to be an idiot.
Speaker 7: You know that, so.
Speaker 15: So one.
Speaker 14: I'm a little slow.
Speaker 4: See that, but I do now there's not wrong.
Speaker 6: It's great stuff.
Speaker 2: And I might look like a complete jackass, and I
Speaker 2: might have the mind and brain of the fume.
Speaker 3: Im No, hold.
Speaker 6: Okay, people love it.
Speaker 17: Yeah, I can tell now you might be able to
Speaker 17: outsmark me and out thank me. And yeah I probably
Speaker 17: can't get a complete make no bones about it though, Iam.
Speaker 4: That that one was good.
Speaker 6: So he's playing on the idea that that's all Sid
Speaker 6: really says.
Speaker 14: He is coup better fact, I'm just a complete idiot.
Speaker 6: I apologize. This is his music on Peacock. I hate
Speaker 6: it's so far, especially when he considers doudy seventy music
Speaker 6: in this Rubb's actually kind of badass.
Speaker 4: Yeah, loses w W NK music.
Speaker 14: You're talking about that you can just push your man
Speaker 14: his side so far.
Speaker 4: Listen to what the man says. See you've suit me.
Speaker 14: You're taking like, don't make it look like a jackass.
Speaker 14: He knows, sup.
Speaker 12: Tonight say gash just to wear any hallween costume you
Speaker 12: want to.
Speaker 14: But you know what, I know that you only half
Speaker 14: the man that I am.
Speaker 4: Get ready for it, and.
Speaker 14: I have half the brain.
Speaker 4: Continue you have to weave.
Speaker 14: You're trying to make me look like a jackass.
Speaker 12: Spread it stops tonight or for you home the road
Speaker 12: to Dunc.
Speaker 14: Don to have you wait Campanship of.
Speaker 12: The world.
Speaker 6: Tonight.
Speaker 4: I mean.
Speaker 6: I only you have to and that I am the
Speaker 6: brain you do, and I have half the brain that
Speaker 6: you do. What I don't know. I just thought you
Speaker 6: might have some thoughts.
Speaker 4: On it seems like a normal thing, not a GAF.
Speaker 4: He's not wrong now if there's not say anything inaccurate.
Speaker 6: If you have to see Scott Hall's face when he
Speaker 6: says this, because they cut back to Whim. He turns
Speaker 6: to Nash and like kind of covers his mouth, like
Speaker 6: I believe he just said that Nash is under the
Speaker 6: mask so he can hide it well enough, and Sid,
Speaker 6: you can tell, kind of catches himself. But it's too late.
Speaker 4: Now, why what was he? So? Here's the thing is
Speaker 4: I don't understand though. Okay, so now I'm thinking about it.
Speaker 4: So he says that you're half the man that I am,
Speaker 4: and I have half the brain that you do. What
Speaker 4: was he supposed to say?
Speaker 6: Right, that's the question.
Speaker 4: What was he trying to say?
Speaker 6: I mean, I guess half the brain that I have.
Speaker 6: You're saying, and I twice you have. You're half the
Speaker 6: man that I am, and I have twice the brains
Speaker 6: that you do. Maybe, he said, he maybe that's what
Speaker 6: are you supposed to do? Yeah, twice the brains.
Speaker 4: That you do? Right?
Speaker 6: Of course he says it that way too. It's just
Speaker 6: even funnier.
Speaker 7: I know.
Speaker 6: But boss, here's what I'm here to tell you what
Speaker 6: It gets even more absurd.
Speaker 4: How is that possible?
Speaker 6: Because if we if we know anything about Sid by
Speaker 6: this point, after all the analysis we've done. Is he
Speaker 6: going to just accept to history? Is he gonna let
Speaker 6: history simply record that he flubbed the line? Oh no,
Speaker 6: what's he gonna do? I imagine that somebody let me
Speaker 6: think here, Yeah, yeah, I want you to really marinate
Speaker 6: on it. What would Sid do if he knew that
Speaker 6: there was some gaff that he made that was completely
Speaker 6: his fault, that he knew cast him in an embarrassing light.
Speaker 4: Well, number one, he'd blame somebody else for it, yep,
Speaker 4: And that maybe I don't know that somebody. I'm say, sham.
Speaker 4: I was going out out to the ring. They were
Speaker 4: playing my music, and all of a sudden, Eric Bischoff
Speaker 4: comes over here and he says, you gotta say, you
Speaker 4: gotta talk about his brain. I said, what brain? So
Speaker 4: you gotta talk about Nash's brain. I don't understand.
Speaker 6: He's he's never given me head and talk to you
Speaker 6: about Pat Patterson's brain.
Speaker 4: But well, you mean brain.
Speaker 6: Well that's kind of the point, isn't. It's said that
Speaker 6: you don't even know what the word means. And so
Speaker 6: he was all flustered when he goes out there and
Speaker 6: I don't even.
Speaker 4: Know what I was saying.
Speaker 6: You pretty much nailed it, man, I knew you'd come.
Speaker 6: I knew you'd get it because we've spent too much time.
Speaker 6: This is a guy that like he's got his he's
Speaker 6: got his menu of stories that he tells to counteract
Speaker 6: every single time he's been caught playing fast and loose
Speaker 6: or being a moron. Okay, he's got a whole story
Speaker 6: about how every injury was real and the doctor. I
Speaker 6: didn't want to go into the doctor, and they made
Speaker 6: me go to the doctor, and I told him I
Speaker 6: I don't want to go to the doctor because then
Speaker 6: they're not gonna let me wrestle. I don't want to
Speaker 6: negotiate with you because I'm gonna say something and it's
Speaker 6: gonna upset all that. You know, the way he sort
Speaker 6: of reverse engineers circumstances, but he knows the menu of
Speaker 6: things you're gonna ask him about. And this definitely came
Speaker 6: up when he was on the shoot interview circuit after
Speaker 6: his career was over. And you said it was Bischoff,
Speaker 6: it was Russo actually Okay, But let's spend some time
Speaker 6: here with how sid his countenance the fact that this
Speaker 6: one goes down in history. Here is his explanation, Uh,
Speaker 6: in one of his shoot interviews with R Video, I.
Speaker 8: Just not you know us.
Speaker 18: So first of all, you know, wasn't the genius every
Speaker 18: boy putting out to be. And he set a poor
Speaker 18: job or a different type of job. Then I thought
Speaker 18: we all thought was sabotage. No one could be this
Speaker 18: bad consistently. I get an example where in Little Rock,
Speaker 18: and that's my home state, and I come out. They started,
Speaker 18: you know, the hall champ and he had me come out.
Speaker 18: Uh see, Kevin was dressed up by Bens mc mahan
Speaker 18: and Scott was dressed up like someone else.
Speaker 13: Can remember what was.
Speaker 7: Say?
Speaker 18: If the line was like this is a I'm not
Speaker 18: as dumb as I down. I'm not as dumb as
Speaker 18: you think I'm dumb. Something there's something really sad. And
Speaker 18: I said, is this really what you want me to say?
Speaker 18: Because this isn't gonna help us draw money?
Speaker 13: Yeah, you know, but but Bill was guy's name. Don't
Speaker 13: don't bush Bill Bush.
Speaker 18: He come in now, Sid you're one of the leaders
Speaker 18: here when I'm asking you to do everything they ask
Speaker 18: because if you do it, then it looked like, you know,
Speaker 18: everyone should do it. So I always had that and
Speaker 18: I don't mind that's part of the deal. And if
Speaker 18: I'm that well respected by the big guy, I'm saying,
Speaker 18: I'm gonna do what you're asking me because you're paying
Speaker 18: me a lot of money. So I did you know,
Speaker 18: and that was those are silly things, you know. I
Speaker 18: just didn't think that, you know, that had any reason
Speaker 18: to be part of anything. There's a waste of time,
Speaker 18: you know. Television is so important, you know, intepeted, you know.
Speaker 18: But that's that's how I say.
Speaker 1: He's a lapse fan wrestling podcast, the wrestling podcast that
Speaker 1: knows the boys need their candy. It's the lapsed fan.
Speaker 1: He's a lapsed fan wrestling podcast with Jack and Corneo
Speaker 1: and JP Soo.
Speaker 6: So he is proffering a version where Vince Russo scripted
Speaker 6: him to say I have half the brain you do.
Speaker 6: Not that he flobed the line, but that he was
Speaker 6: for some reason scripted to say that.
Speaker 4: And because that's what you know, I mean, who that's
Speaker 4: I mean, that's just stupid, this.
Speaker 6: Idea that he like, protested it and called it out
Speaker 6: as counterproductive and did it anyway because he's just you know, boss.
Speaker 6: The reason he delivered that line, because he's just too
Speaker 6: much of a team player, right exactly, And it's you know, if.
Speaker 4: That's player, that's why he has the contract he has.
Speaker 6: If that's if that's the cross he has to bear,
Speaker 6: then so be it. You know, if he has to
Speaker 6: get in his car and a day off and drive
Speaker 6: to a TV studio to shoot an interview for his
Speaker 6: VHS release, then so be it. These are the these
Speaker 6: are the things that heroes are asked to do, right, And.
Speaker 4: That's such a asshole.
Speaker 6: The fact that he couched everything that happened and the
Speaker 6: whole Russo was there to kill ww thing is just
Speaker 6: so rich because all that comes later, you know, like,
Speaker 6: there's no way that this early in Russo's WCW run
Speaker 6: people were.
Speaker 4: Saying that about him, No way, right exactly.
Speaker 6: That's things people say after WCW goes under and you
Speaker 6: look back with retrospect, you say, what was he trying
Speaker 6: to do? Anyway?
Speaker 4: That was fucking weird.
Speaker 6: But there's no way, in this host's opinion, that Hall's
Speaker 6: reaction is an organic on that show. There's no way
Speaker 6: that sid was supposed to say that. But that's that's
Speaker 6: his that's his version, and bless his heart, he sticking
Speaker 6: to it. He's just too much of a leader boss
Speaker 6: to to not go out there and say that, even
Speaker 6: though he remembered it so clearly in an interview. Did
Speaker 6: you hear him recite from memory the actual line. What
Speaker 6: did he end up saying? I'm I remember what he said.
Speaker 4: I'm stupider than you.
Speaker 6: Oh my god, I'm not. I'm dumber there. I'm dumber
Speaker 6: than you think I'm dumb.
Speaker 4: Yeah right, I'm dumbing that you think I am.
Speaker 6: Okay, sid I'm dumber than you think I am.
Speaker 4: I'm dumber than you think I am.
Speaker 6: That would have been a better title for the Millennium
Speaker 6: man VHS.
Speaker 4: Really just see the thing is and it's real simple.
Speaker 6: Yeah I wish it was.
Speaker 4: You don't understand that I'm dumber than you think I am.
Speaker 4: I've half the brain you do.
Speaker 6: Why are they having you say this stuff?
Speaker 4: Sid Well?
Speaker 6: Why did Brusso script you in ninety five to say
Speaker 6: can we do this again? So ja I can say
Speaker 6: we're alive.
Speaker 4: I don't make these mistakes. This is what I've been
Speaker 4: told to do. I'm a team player. I'm not gonna
Speaker 4: sit there. I'm not gonna argue with people who are
Speaker 4: paying me big money to do a job, and I
Speaker 4: don't do the job, right. We can get rid of
Speaker 4: that one here in a bit. Definitely don't do the
Speaker 4: job on top of it, so I have the brain
Speaker 4: that you do. I mean, say no more, right, But
Speaker 4: then he adds a whole other dimension to it by denying,
Speaker 4: by denying, by prevaricating. It's just tremendous. It's as sid
Speaker 4: as it gets, it's as pro wrestling as it gets. Mean. God,
Speaker 4: of course we'll never know, right if if Russo scripted
Speaker 4: the line, we'll never know will.
Speaker 19: Be JP Brock Who it is? It is, Vince Russo, man,
Speaker 19: And I am here to answer a question because you
Speaker 19: have a question about the nitro.
Speaker 14: When Nash came out in a sid mask, Yes.
Speaker 4: Why is he yelling? Why the fuck is he yelling?
Speaker 4: He's in he's alone, he's got a phone right in
Speaker 4: front of him. Why is he yelling?
Speaker 6: You know this guy, Jp, he didn't like me from
Speaker 6: the beginning. Bro I'm from New York and he's got
Speaker 6: a problem with that. That was made very clear to
Speaker 6: me on Day one.
Speaker 4: Bro day one in ninety five. Because you've known him.
Speaker 6: Or the or the day one raw they did a
Speaker 6: couple of years ago.
Speaker 4: Old I do want to say, by the way, I
Speaker 4: want to even though that this this cameo is directed
Speaker 4: to me, I have not heard these yet. I actually
Speaker 4: purposely did not listen to these ones.
Speaker 6: It's good practice. Now, all right, Well that's great, because
Speaker 6: I wanted to ask you. Do you expect Russo to
Speaker 6: remember whether he scripted this or not?
Speaker 4: Yes? Okay, JP, Bro, Look who it is.
Speaker 19: It is Vince Russo Man, and I am here to
Speaker 19: answer a question because you have a question about the nitro.
Speaker 19: When Nash came out in a Sid mask and Sid
Speaker 19: said to Nash, I have half.
Speaker 4: The brain that you do.
Speaker 19: Sid has said that it was scripted line. Is that
Speaker 19: true or did Sid mess up? Scott Hole reacted like
Speaker 19: it was legit.
Speaker 13: I gotta be honest with.
Speaker 14: You, JP, here comes.
Speaker 19: I don't remember that being a scripted line. I honestly don't.
Speaker 19: It could been Sid said it was, but Bro, that
Speaker 19: was twenty five years ago, and it's really hard for
Speaker 19: me to remember. I do not remember scripting that line.
Speaker 19: I didn't think it was a scripted line. Sid thought
Speaker 19: it was a scripted line. Unfortunately he is no longer here.
Speaker 13: Rest in peace. I love Sid Man.
Speaker 19: He was a great man a great individual individual. But
Speaker 19: if you're asking me, I'm honestly answering. I don't remember
Speaker 19: it being a scripted line, but it could have been
Speaker 19: a scripted line. I'm not bailing out, JP, I'm just
Speaker 19: telling you what I remember, Bro.
Speaker 14: That is in my friend. I hope that helps you out.
Speaker 3: Take care, will you?
Speaker 4: JP?
Speaker 6: Yeah, we'll get that done, Vince. Thanks love.
Speaker 4: Oh my god, that is a nauseating, nauseating cameo. No,
Speaker 4: it's not fine.
Speaker 6: He tackled our question in great spirits.
Speaker 4: What the fuck?
Speaker 8: So?
Speaker 6: I wonder if we hadn't said that. Sid later denied
Speaker 6: it was a scripted line and just asked him if
Speaker 6: it was a scripted line, if his answer would have
Speaker 6: been different. But I think the calculation is like, if
Speaker 6: you don't say that, then he'll like pretend I do
Speaker 6: not remember it at all and not understand why you'd
Speaker 6: even ask, and that there's a controversy here might might
Speaker 6: cause one to lean in one way or another, and he, basically,
Speaker 6: I think, is he's going to come as close as
Speaker 6: he's going to to say that. No, of course I.
Speaker 4: Scripped that right, right, I mean, honestly, he could just stop.
Speaker 4: I don't remember scripting that line and that's it, you know.
Speaker 6: Well, he the first thing he says is, I don't
Speaker 6: remember it as a scripted line, right, So it's almost like, again,
Speaker 6: he would have said it wasn't if he didn't, if
Speaker 6: he wasn't made aware of the fact, if he didn't
Speaker 6: know already, which Russa pays very close attention to a
Speaker 6: lot more than you think, so he may very well
Speaker 6: know that Sid has been I wouldn't. I wouldn't put
Speaker 6: it past Russo to know that Sid has called that
Speaker 6: a scripted line and act like he hadn't heard that
Speaker 6: Sid had said that is my point, because he seems
Speaker 6: to hear every little thing that's said about him. But
Speaker 6: but the first thing he says, to be very clear
Speaker 6: is I don't remember it being a scripted line. That's
Speaker 6: good enough for me. You know, if you just like
Speaker 6: isolated that quote alone in a story, yeah, it would
Speaker 6: go down in history as absolutely was not scripted. Russis
Speaker 6: said it wasn't. But then he kind of goes into,
Speaker 6: you know, I understand that Sid thought it was, but
Speaker 6: I don't remember that being a scripted line, and I
Speaker 6: would think, you know, if you scripted or Sid to say,
Speaker 6: I have half a brain, you wouldn't forget that.
Speaker 4: I know you would not forget that if if if you,
Speaker 4: because because not only would you not forget writing that line,
Speaker 4: you'd also not you wouldn't be able to forget his
Speaker 4: reaction to it, because who the fuck's gonna say okay
Speaker 4: right away and just go with it like people are
Speaker 4: gonna You're gonna have pushback on that kind of a line.
Speaker 6: That's so true, and he this is a pushback that
Speaker 6: Sid claims he actually had, you know, and if Sid
Speaker 6: did react in the way he claims he did to
Speaker 6: being to this being brought to him, of course he
Speaker 6: would remember, right, you know, it's.
Speaker 4: Uh, it's it's what you do.
Speaker 6: You go to the guy who wrote the script to
Speaker 6: ask him if it was a scripted line. There's no
Speaker 6: there's no third perspective we could bring here. Really, of
Speaker 6: course Sid's gone, that might sus all this out as
Speaker 6: there h a j P.
Speaker 13: It's nash.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean, it's it's pretty hard not to remember
Speaker 7: that one. Uh, you know, even even when it was live. Uh,
Speaker 7: you know, it was like did he just say what
Speaker 7: I think he said? And then you hear that that
Speaker 7: peppering of of laughter. Uh, of course Scott you know,
Speaker 7: didn't didn't give him any slack, and Scott said, there
Speaker 7: worse laughed. But uh and then since then, you know,
Speaker 7: there's been so much uh play of that at that
Speaker 7: clip on social media that it kind of doesn't seem
Speaker 7: like it's it's going away anytime soon. But uh, he
Speaker 7: was such a sweetheart of a guy. Sets of the Earth.
Speaker 7: We got in the back and he was just standing
Speaker 7: there by grilla position, and uh, you know, I tried
Speaker 7: to act like nothing happened. He goes, he goes, did you?
Speaker 7: And I citizen did you? It was kind of like,
Speaker 7: obviously I didn't do a very good job of of
Speaker 7: flying because right behind me was was Scott, and Scott
Speaker 7: you know, just yeah, had his time with it. So
Speaker 7: but uh, yeah, I remember it like it was yesterday. Thankfully. Yeah,
Speaker 7: thanks for the question. I'm actually a mile and so
Speaker 7: it was it was nice to think of Sid. Appreciate it, man,
Speaker 7: take care?
Speaker 4: Wait what what what would what do you say?
Speaker 6: He said? You know, I'm actually smiling because it was
Speaker 6: nice to think about Sid for a second. Oh okay,
Speaker 6: and we would be remiss to not point out what's
Speaker 6: the common thread between those two cameos that they both
Speaker 6: felt compelled at the end to say, you know, Sid
Speaker 6: was just a great guy.
Speaker 4: Yeah, right right, it's not. Well, listen, everyone whenever whenever
Speaker 4: someone dies, they're a great person.
Speaker 6: That's true, that's true. But I think the Pitler the same.
Speaker 6: Come on, ref get in there. But I think, uh now,
Speaker 6: I think they would have said it even if he
Speaker 6: was still alive in that vein, because he was a
Speaker 6: guy that.
Speaker 4: It seems like he was. It seems like everyone liked him. Yeah,
Speaker 4: it seems like he was a very likable individual, you know.
Speaker 4: And I agree, I agree with that comment. From what
Speaker 4: I know of Sid, that's alt of the earth comment.
Speaker 4: He doesn't feels like that kind of an individual.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think that's well put. But there's your confirmation. Okay,
Speaker 6: all that doesn't happen in Gorilla. If it was scripted,
Speaker 6: Nash doesn't remember it that way.
Speaker 4: If it was scripted, listen Nash, and listen, Nash is
Speaker 4: gonna fucking know absolutely all that Nash holds onto that
Speaker 4: kind of ship like it's fucking like with taki glue
Speaker 4: on his.
Speaker 6: Brain, members it like it was yesterday.
Speaker 4: Okay, you think we rested, Yeah, you know, that's one
Speaker 4: of that's a fucking nier. You don't forget Jesus Christ.
Speaker 4: What the the way he described I want to know.
Speaker 4: I want to know exactly what he does. I mean,
Speaker 4: obviously he must like he does. He's he's doing something
Speaker 4: before he does Cameos.
Speaker 6: Tativa, yeah, and Little Wine probably.
Speaker 19: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I love that. That's when he fucking chooses to do
Speaker 4: these things.
Speaker 6: I don't think there's honestly, I don't think there's a
Speaker 6: time where he's not in that situation.
Speaker 4: Sadly, no fifteen minute version, though I was kind of
Speaker 4: disappointed at the length when I saw it. I didn't
Speaker 4: hear it, I didn't listen to it, but I saw
Speaker 4: there was only two minutes or something like that.
Speaker 6: Right, he didn't ask him about cinema.
Speaker 4: That's the difference, That's true, A good point.
Speaker 6: That's when he really goes nuts.
Speaker 4: What he really knows about. That's his real education as post.
Speaker 6: Of the things he actually did.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 6: Yeah, just amazing, Just such a moment in time, So Sid,
Speaker 6: I mean, this this run is so full of like
Speaker 6: Sid class, It's like this run confirms everything we thought
Speaker 6: and what we heard about sin and that every day. Yeah,
Speaker 6: and before yes, he just ends up doing a whole
Speaker 6: lot of things like Okay, yeah, that is what this
Speaker 6: guy was and this is just amazing that this happened.
Speaker 6: And you thought we were going to rest with that
Speaker 6: half answer from Russo, No, we don't fucking stop.
Speaker 4: No, no, no, no, no, we need the really need
Speaker 4: the truth.
Speaker 6: And in the fashion of tlf X, why are we
Speaker 6: emboldened to do what it takes to go out and
Speaker 6: get those answers. It's because we know that the solar
Speaker 6: system is there as a backstop to make it worth
Speaker 6: our while and to provide the funding even to do that.
Speaker 6: These things aren't free, they're not prohibitively expensive, but it's
Speaker 6: the kind of things it's like, you know, we'll go
Speaker 6: the extra mile. We'll well, we'll pay that cost to
Speaker 6: answer that question for sure. We'll source that material, no
Speaker 6: matter how hard it is to dig up.
Speaker 4: I mean, especially because it's a great you know, uh,
Speaker 4: it's a great it's a great source. You know, the
Speaker 4: these I mean, it's it's it's almost like getting the
Speaker 4: interview at at a at a you know, like a
Speaker 4: wrestle coan.
Speaker 6: The way we go about it. It's the same thing. Yeah,
Speaker 6: because we go with an agenda where we don't expect
Speaker 6: to have more than five minutes of their time, so
Speaker 6: we come with questions that only our listeners would want
Speaker 6: us to ask, instead of asking the questions everybody else
Speaker 6: is going to ask them. But you know, good for them.
Speaker 6: It's great that they do, but that's not what we're
Speaker 6: here to do. That's not our highest and best use.
Speaker 6: So you're absolutely right. It's just it's just a brilliant
Speaker 6: way in on these guys and to get their perspectives.
Speaker 6: I mean, I think it's great. I think it really
Speaker 6: is because it's easy. It's easy as fuck for them
Speaker 6: to answer a question, you know.
Speaker 4: Right, right, it's been easy also easy enough for them
Speaker 4: to fucking collect a cup on our bikes exactly.
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's what I mean for them, for them, because
Speaker 6: that's how wrestlers think, right. It's like, how much can
Speaker 6: I be paid for the minimal effort? You know, It's
Speaker 6: not that I'm only going to put in minimal effort,
Speaker 6: but I do want to know what the going rate
Speaker 6: is on minimal effort before I calibrate how hard I'm
Speaker 6: going to work at project decks and so long, long
Speaker 6: may it continue. Thanks to your support thanks to uh
Speaker 6: Vincreu's and Kevin Nash there for the reflections on Sid,
Speaker 6: but that you know, we've heard from him, We've heard
Speaker 6: from Devon, We've heard from Brad Hart. There's always that
Speaker 6: thing at the end, you know, like Sid was great.
Speaker 6: Sid was great, So we have have to acknowledge that,
Speaker 6: even as we're kind of poking fun at some of
Speaker 6: the moments where he revealed the sight of himself that
Speaker 6: I think he'd rather have not. So we get to
Speaker 6: Halloween Havoc nineteen ninety nine and it's a long awaited
Speaker 6: Goldberg versus Sid Vicious match, highly anticipated. Like we said,
Speaker 6: sure sure, Son Ferrara had the book at this point
Speaker 6: in time, so it's going to be booked zanally and
Speaker 6: we want color. But here's the thing. Okay, Sid has
Speaker 6: never gotten color? What Sid has never gotten color? But
Speaker 6: they want color in this match. Why is he never
Speaker 6: got in color? It's a great question.
Speaker 4: But was he never get in color?
Speaker 7: No?
Speaker 6: As you brack your brain trying to picture a moment
Speaker 6: he did.
Speaker 4: No, I've never seen him bleed, I guess. Yeah.
Speaker 6: So you're watching Halloween Havoc ninety nine and way before
Speaker 6: the match even happens. All of a sudden, they start
Speaker 6: making reference to and they don't show it, but they
Speaker 6: make reference to Goldberg having attacked Sid in the back,
Speaker 6: which is very uncharacteristic of a baby face like Goldburg
Speaker 6: to just assault his opponent before the bell sounds. But
Speaker 6: for some reason, they're starting to tell us that there's
Speaker 6: been an attack backstage and Sid has been laid out,
Speaker 6: and the area where it happened. They point to some
Speaker 6: blood droplets on the ground. And then when Sid comes
Speaker 6: to the ring, he is he's cut and the juice
Speaker 6: is flowing a little bit. Oh boy, And you ask yourself,
Speaker 6: why is what are they doing here? Why does this prelude,
Speaker 6: this preamble to the long awaited Goldberg Sid showdown necessary? Well,
Speaker 6: it turns out, and he's confirmed this and shoot interviews.
Speaker 6: Sid was rather skittish about blading. He didn't want to
Speaker 6: do it. He didn't want to do it himself to himself.
Speaker 4: He I mean, I can't imagine anybody who would want to.
Speaker 6: Well that's true, I mean, but most wrestlers, if they're
Speaker 6: going to get color, would rather do it themselves. I think,
Speaker 6: then find some other way to have somebody else do it.
Speaker 6: We know the problems that can cause. There are some
Speaker 6: wrestlers who want the refs to do it. There are
Speaker 6: some wrestlers who just can't bring themselves to do it.
Speaker 6: We saw like Eric Kulass and Newjack. That's like the
Speaker 6: ultimate extreme where you know, you might piss him off
Speaker 6: and yeah he'll he'll get your color, all right, but
Speaker 6: I'll also take this opportunity to scar you for life
Speaker 6: because you pissed him off beforehand. All those X factors
Speaker 6: are introduced when you have a third party do it.
Speaker 4: I know, hey, I know, I know, big fan of.
Speaker 6: That coming to a Saturday Night's Made event near you
Speaker 6: by the way, is he really? I think so? I
Speaker 6: think he's un commentary for the show in.
Speaker 4: December, my fucking Christ.
Speaker 6: And you not hear that?
Speaker 7: Right?
Speaker 6: Let's see Jesse Ventura right now? There are plans for
Speaker 6: Jesse Ventura on the show. Yeah wow, yep, soil see
Speaker 6: if it goes off, it doesn't, it's it's not reading
Speaker 6: like firmly confirmed yet, but yeah it was out there.
Speaker 6: So so what are we gonna do? How are we
Speaker 6: gonna handle this? Still? Like Goldberg hasn't experienced blaming, you know,
Speaker 6: he's never juiced, No, I don't think he's I don't
Speaker 6: think he's bled on purpose before in wrestling. I don't
Speaker 6: remember him ever juicing, and definitely not by this point.
Speaker 6: No time he juices is when he fucking puts his
Speaker 6: arm through a limo window and slices his tricycond half.
Speaker 4: That's the most blood you've seen out of him.
Speaker 6: So what do they who do they call? They call
Speaker 6: it a surgeon. They had a surgeon backstage to numb
Speaker 6: Sid's forehead and to cut his forehead with a presumably
Speaker 6: with a scalpel. Is that not, again, the most Sid
Speaker 6: fucking thing you've ever heard?
Speaker 4: I mean it is. I don't understand. Yeah, why.
Speaker 6: He just didn't want to do it to himself, But how.
Speaker 4: Does that work. He's supposed to be in a match.
Speaker 6: They did it backstage, so when he walked to the ring,
Speaker 6: he's already cut, and that's why they have to do
Speaker 6: this backstage angle ah where Goldberg attacks him, because it
Speaker 6: doesn't want to do it live on the fly, So
Speaker 6: they have to have a reason why he walks down
Speaker 6: to the ring already cut for an attack we never see.
Speaker 6: Can you imagine this surgeon be like all right, I
Speaker 6: mean you want me to do what guys like I
Speaker 6: have a lot to do here, Like, what do you
Speaker 6: want me to do to this guy?
Speaker 4: Sorry?
Speaker 18: Do you wait?
Speaker 1: You?
Speaker 4: I'm sorry, somebody injured? Doc? Come here? Somebody step in injured,
Speaker 4: I'm saying.
Speaker 6: Stepping here, stepping mark stipping my office?
Speaker 8: Doc?
Speaker 4: The fuck is going on here? Why?
Speaker 11: Well?
Speaker 7: So?
Speaker 4: So all right, So I understand I got called down.
Speaker 4: I told told is an emergency call. So I came
Speaker 4: down as fast as I could. What's Who's hurt? Who's hurt?
Speaker 6: I'm not hurt, but if you do your job correctly,
Speaker 6: I will be.
Speaker 4: But if you do exactly what I say. If you
Speaker 4: do exactly what I say, Doc, I will be here hurt.
Speaker 6: But that's kind of an ethical sir.
Speaker 4: I'm saying, Wait, you're not hurt, so you call me
Speaker 4: down to get you hurt. That's exactly right.
Speaker 6: But I know this stuff is fake and everything.
Speaker 4: But wait a moment. I'm sorry, Now, this is just
Speaker 4: just kind of get everything. This is You're you're a
Speaker 4: pro wrestler. Is that right? You're a pro wrestler. I
Speaker 4: am a professional entertainer, right, Okay.
Speaker 6: I am a professional entertainer of the said vicious story.
Speaker 4: Okay, okay, but you get in the ring right and
Speaker 4: you do you do fake moves? Right?
Speaker 6: Oh? They sure, they sure know how to pick them.
Speaker 6: Not you had to get a doc like this for
Speaker 6: God's sake. You couldn't find one that could skip all
Speaker 6: this nonsense?
Speaker 4: Can you ever?
Speaker 7: Now? Doc?
Speaker 4: I want you to look me in the eyes. I
Speaker 4: want you to understand something that is real. Simple. Yes,
Speaker 4: what I do is fake. Yes, what I do is
Speaker 4: like a carnival. What I do is a joke.
Speaker 6: What I do is like a carnival, he says, awesome.
Speaker 4: But what I need you to do right now is
Speaker 4: as real as against all Right, Okay, I guess So
Speaker 4: what is it? What do you what exactly do you
Speaker 4: need me to do? I want you to take your
Speaker 4: scalpel and I want you to run it across my forehead.
Speaker 4: Excuse me, excuse me? What you don't want to take
Speaker 4: my scalpel and do what now?
Speaker 8: I want you to run it from one end of
Speaker 8: my head to the other and let the chrism crimson
Speaker 8: float down my face.
Speaker 6: Let the crimson. He's really clinical about it, is he?
Speaker 6: I want you to let the crimson run down my face.
Speaker 4: Dot sir, I'm sorry, I cannot do that. That is
Speaker 4: completely I want you to look at me in the eye,
Speaker 4: you stupid fuck.
Speaker 6: Is the game we play, your hand?
Speaker 4: The game we play is simple, dog, I told you
Speaker 4: what would do is simple. Give me your hand.
Speaker 3: Okay, ah Jesus, grab this scalpo.
Speaker 4: Okay, give me your head again. What are you doing?
Speaker 4: Stop it? Stop it? Stop?
Speaker 3: No, no, stop it.
Speaker 4: I'm putting you do this to my head? Do it?
Speaker 13: Yeah?
Speaker 8: Dad?
Speaker 14: What do you stop stop doing? Oh?
Speaker 9: God, sap, I didn't fuck what I'm out?
Speaker 4: I don't know. I'm calling my lawyer, boss, boss.
Speaker 6: Can I ask the question?
Speaker 3: Can I ask the question?
Speaker 8: Yes?
Speaker 6: I think you know what the question is. How is
Speaker 6: it that Sid is uncomfortable running a razor over his
Speaker 6: own forehead, but yet is comfortable grabbing another man by
Speaker 6: the wrist and having that hand cut his forehead with
Speaker 6: a surgical grade tool. And I just case, just in case,
Speaker 6: people got lost in the cacaphony there? What what exact
Speaker 6: sound does it make when the scalpel finally makes contact
Speaker 6: with the fleshy forehead of the revolutionary one? Well more time? Please? Sorry?
Speaker 4: So fine?
Speaker 6: So it's you know, it's a nice understated blade job.
Speaker 4: So it's wet.
Speaker 6: I mean, like the scalpel is like a mirror. That's
Speaker 6: how shiny it is, you know.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean it's also like one of the sharpest
Speaker 4: fucking tools, right yeah.
Speaker 6: And that's how you open someone up for surgery. And
Speaker 6: it's cold.
Speaker 4: I mean, you wouldn't need to do it hard to
Speaker 4: get him cut open.
Speaker 6: There is a doctor out there somewhere in the world,
Speaker 6: and I hope he has hear she hasn't passed away.
Speaker 6: Who showed up at Halloween Havoc nineteen ninety nine was
Speaker 6: asked and did cut Sid's forehead open in the back purposely?
Speaker 6: He cut his forehead open. There's no medical justification for it.
Speaker 6: He just cut his head open. No Sid insist on
Speaker 6: being numbed first. It's just the most sidthling I've ever heard.
Speaker 6: To make a blade job this complicated, that you have
Speaker 6: to do an angle and you have to get like
Speaker 6: numbing agents.
Speaker 4: I mean, that's the best part. He has to fucking get.
Speaker 4: Like think about how fast Flair does it or I
Speaker 4: know anybody does it, And he needs to fucking have
Speaker 4: a whole scenario done exactly. And you wonder why these
Speaker 4: guys remembered it's such a pain in the ass.
Speaker 6: Yeah, And at some point, you know, it became about
Speaker 6: not whether it's necessary, but whether he's got the power
Speaker 6: to force everybody to do it. Yea, you know, whether
Speaker 6: he's got the sway to have it done his way.
Speaker 6: And once it becomes about that, he's never going to
Speaker 6: give up.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 6: So, as he told URF video, they came in early,
Speaker 6: numbed me, cut me. We did a little deal in
Speaker 6: the back where Goldberg would hit me, and they showed
Speaker 6: that that was like a little uncertain thing in the
Speaker 6: pay per view, and then went back sewed it up
Speaker 6: and then went back to the ring. So he so
Speaker 6: they cut it to grate the blood, and then they
Speaker 6: so the cut back up. Oh so then when he
Speaker 6: went back to the ring, all Goldberg had to do
Speaker 6: is hit the stitch a couple of times. So I
Speaker 6: don't know, I don't know what's what's harder. I don't
Speaker 6: know what's worse. I think I know, I think this
Speaker 6: is worse. I think it's worse to have someone cut
Speaker 6: you and have your opponent punch you hard enough for
Speaker 6: real in the cut that the blood flows again, versus
Speaker 6: just nicking your own forehead.
Speaker 4: I mean, I don't know. I mean, I don't I
Speaker 4: don't certainly want to nick my own forehead ever right
Speaker 4: on purpose, but at the same time, prolonging it like
Speaker 4: this and making it so much more difficult and troublesome.
Speaker 6: Just making someone just go up to your stitches and
Speaker 6: go like this, right, huh, right in the stitch. Sid, Yeah, yeah, sid,
Speaker 6: as he says. And then it didn't quite open up
Speaker 6: as much as they wanted to at first, and then
Speaker 6: they got me a couple more times. The referee did
Speaker 6: so the referee fucking bleed him anyway. I've never done
Speaker 6: that myself, he says. And so then it did open up,
Speaker 6: and I never saw it, but I know I called
Speaker 6: home that night. My family was in tears. It must
Speaker 6: have been pretty scary looking.
Speaker 2: And it is.
Speaker 4: It is there.
Speaker 6: The juice does flow. It takes a while, as he mentions,
Speaker 6: but they do like a big brawl, mostly around ringside
Speaker 6: and stuff. It's it's a very it's kind of like
Speaker 6: a non it's kind of like a non SID match.
Speaker 6: It's like a brody brawl. Yeah yeah, in a way.
Speaker 6: And the reason this blood is so hyper necessary, it's
Speaker 6: because for reasons I can only imagine, h Sid's not
Speaker 6: doing the honors tonight one two three, No, sir, he
Speaker 6: is not doing. They come up with this convoluted blood
Speaker 6: stoppage finish where the match ends. Goldberg has declared the winner,
Speaker 6: and he does look like a badass killer standing over
Speaker 6: the bloodied corpse of Sid after he punches him enough
Speaker 6: times in the head that the referee waves it off.
Speaker 6: On its face, it makes Goldberg perhaps look are stronger
Speaker 6: than a one two three. But as the match plays out,
Speaker 6: and as Sid pops back up from this beating, and
Speaker 6: Rick Steiner comes out, and they all stand around as
Speaker 6: Sid springs back up like a spring chicken from this
Speaker 6: beat down and starts walking up the aisleway and then
Speaker 6: acts like he's going to come back to the ring.
Speaker 6: And then Heenan immediately starts calling out how it wasn't
Speaker 6: a loss for Sid because the referee waved it off.
Speaker 6: Sid didn't quit. You can start to imagine, oh God,
Speaker 6: so the whole way of getting cut was not the
Speaker 6: only convoluted part of figuring this out. I don't think
Speaker 6: Sid showed up to the building with any intention of
Speaker 6: taking the jack camerra. Oh, of course, not any intention whatsoever.
Speaker 4: And so we end up with here he didn't have
Speaker 4: and he didn't obviously we don't we know he didn't
Speaker 4: have any creative control.
Speaker 6: Well, no, it's not in the contract, but yeah, but no,
Speaker 6: if he's willing a walk, he pretty much does, right.
Speaker 6: I mean, yeah, if they know that about the man, right,
Speaker 6: and to have heenan like force that point out there,
Speaker 6: to me, I don't know, just smacks of like a
Speaker 6: negotiated settlement with Sid, like, Okay, here's how we get
Speaker 6: the match in the ring, and we'll make short emphasize
Speaker 6: on television that you didn't actually lose to the man,
Speaker 6: because God forbid, that'd be the outcome. That would be ridiculous.
Speaker 6: And you know, Sid wasn't He wasn't derogatory toward Goldberg,
Speaker 6: but he wasn't necessarily complimentary either of a lot of
Speaker 6: the things he said in a shoot interview is I
Speaker 6: talked to him a few times about some things. And
Speaker 6: I'm not saying I'm right about this, but we were
Speaker 6: working together.
Speaker 4: He was hurt.
Speaker 6: There wasn't a lot he could do when he had
Speaker 6: a couple of moves that he felt comfortable doing. So
Speaker 6: I said, you know, I set up a few spots
Speaker 6: to where we came into them differently, into the spot
Speaker 6: differently like duck the clothesline or this or that or
Speaker 6: turn around, that he wasn't getting whatever this bump he
Speaker 6: was doing. He says, we already did that to me
Speaker 6: in the ring, and I think to myself, Wow, this
Speaker 6: guy's a little lost, because what do you mean we
Speaker 6: can't lock up more than one time? Can't do more
Speaker 6: than one headlock? To me, that's so juvenile. I'm not juvenile,
Speaker 6: but that's the wrong word. But he just wasn't experienced.
Speaker 6: He was the first to admit that though too okay.
Speaker 6: He was the first to say, Hey, I don't know
Speaker 6: what I'm really doing out here, and he still says that.
Speaker 6: He said that in the Who Killed ww Vice documentary
Speaker 6: as well. Goldberg, Yeah, I didn't know what I was
Speaker 6: doing in the ring, and that allowed a lot of
Speaker 6: people to a take advantage of me and be themselves
Speaker 6: in a dangerous position while wrestling me because he had
Speaker 6: no experience like I had or Hogan had. Sid says
Speaker 6: things like that Bill was really being taken advantage of
Speaker 6: from a lot of people that were able to take
Speaker 6: advantage of him. So he had that little worry. Maybe
Speaker 6: that was happening to him. When Sid would suggest certain
Speaker 6: spots in the body of the match. Sid says, I
Speaker 6: do remember one story. It's sort of funny, but this
Speaker 6: goes along with beginners. We were coming out of Detroit
Speaker 6: one time and this one thing, the finger thing, was
Speaker 6: first implemented the fingering. I don't know what he means
Speaker 6: by the finger thing, actually, so I was asking him,
Speaker 6: we were talking about that, and he says to me, Sid,
Speaker 6: you know, if I can just go one year or
Speaker 6: five years more without anybody kicking out of the jackhammer,
Speaker 6: I'll be Okay. You don't say that to Sid, do you, Boss.
Speaker 6: That's like Dean Malinko asked him if he can do
Speaker 6: a drop toe hold. Okay, you can't even ask Sid
Speaker 6: to take a drop toe hold or else he's going
Speaker 6: to come at you with. How about six power bombs
Speaker 6: in the middle and you don't move? How about that?
Speaker 4: Yeah? How about I fucking shove your head through the mat.
Speaker 6: He was such a nice guy and such a team player,
Speaker 6: right whenever anybody asks to get anything on him, he
Speaker 6: just doubled down on the squash nature of the finish.
Speaker 6: Ask van Hammer if you can find him about that.
Speaker 6: And here's the thing about Goldberg. If no one kicks
Speaker 6: out of the jackhammer for five years, Yeah, that would work.
Speaker 6: That would work. I know it's a lot for one guy,
Speaker 6: but it would work. Let's not pretend it wouldn't. So
Speaker 6: I'll be okay, I don't want to. I left myself,
Speaker 6: he says, Sid says, you want someone to kick out
Speaker 6: of that because that'll make money. You want someone to
Speaker 6: kick out of the jackammer. Oh God, here we go, right,
Speaker 6: Jesus Christ, what do you fucking exactly? Apple doesn't fall
Speaker 6: far from the tree. Jesus, that's the wrestling business.
Speaker 4: Like you convince people that you know that that's screwing
Speaker 4: them as a good thing.
Speaker 6: Correct, Correct that somehow there's this there are these mythical rules,
Speaker 6: this black magic about the wrestling business that I am
Speaker 6: able to into it, that you're not able to into it.
Speaker 6: Yet that makes the obvious absolutely not obvious. That makes
Speaker 6: the intuitive counterintuitive. That you know, in fact the op
Speaker 6: and every single time, for some reason, the rule always
Speaker 6: seems to skew in the favor of the person who's
Speaker 6: asking to get one over on me in the ring,
Speaker 6: and never in my favor, Never do I stumble into
Speaker 6: the mysteries of the wrestling business in a way that
Speaker 6: benefits me just so. So emblematic of WCW would happened
Speaker 6: to Goldberg and how incapable the superstructure was of adapting
Speaker 6: to the fact that he was the only thing they
Speaker 6: had that anyone gave a shit about by the end
Speaker 6: of nineteen ninety eight, and they just they killed the
Speaker 6: baby in the crib. They couldn't handle it, you know.
Speaker 6: It's like, wow, yep, it's literally like you know, a
Speaker 6: jealous like stepmom like strangling the baby in the crib.
Speaker 6: And so there we go. Another example of it which
Speaker 6: you want is someone to kick out of the jag camera. Oh,
Speaker 6: of of course, never thought of that because that's money. Yeah,
Speaker 6: it's money for you because now people want to see
Speaker 6: you wrestling me again. But I'm money no matter who
Speaker 6: I wrestle, so I don't give a fuck. It should
Speaker 6: be the next guy. Like, there's no more money in
Speaker 6: me wrestling Sid twice than there is in me beating
Speaker 6: Sid and then taken on another guy. Maybe there is,
Speaker 6: But the way they did this, this is what happens.
Speaker 6: This is what you get as a wrestling fan when
Speaker 6: you allow people to get this kind of surgical I
Speaker 6: guess you could say, with how things play out, did
Speaker 6: you get this nonsensical blood stoppage finished that Sid does
Speaker 6: not sell at all, and you just end up with
Speaker 6: like this messaging hitting you over the head that yeah,
Speaker 6: Sid lost the match, but Kmodi didn't really lose the match.
Speaker 6: So in other words, Boss fans are served by the
Speaker 6: ultimate showdown that they've been building all these months between
Speaker 6: Goldberg and Sid and WCW.
Speaker 4: Yeah, totally.
Speaker 6: During this run as well, there was a nice little
Speaker 6: slice of moment, slice of life moment that we didn't
Speaker 6: really know what to make of at the time it happened.
Speaker 6: But there was a nitro not too far from Sid's
Speaker 6: hometown where Sid was led to the ring by a
Speaker 6: young man who appeared to have down syndrome or disability
Speaker 6: or some kind of developmental problem. And it was a
Speaker 6: Russo Nitro in late nineteen ninety nine. And it's just,
Speaker 6: I don't know, just a little something worth highlighting about Sid.
Speaker 6: The kid not to be his neighbor, Okay, a kid
Speaker 6: who lived next to him in West Memphis and and
Speaker 6: just was such a big Sid fan and just such
Speaker 6: a fan of being around Sid in the wrestling business.
Speaker 6: That Sid found a way to get WW to gree
Speaker 6: to let this kid walk him to the ring one
Speaker 6: time and do a backstage interview, and the kid was
Speaker 6: hilarious doing like faces. I say, kid. I'm actually not
Speaker 6: sure how old he was. He might have been like
Speaker 6: a teenager or even like early twenties. But it's a
Speaker 6: great moment if you can find that. It doesn't make
Speaker 6: any sense in context, like they don't really explain it,
Speaker 6: but Sid is just there. But it's nice to know,
Speaker 6: all those years later what the story was there, and
Speaker 6: that Sid just wanted to extend a hand and give
Speaker 6: a moment in the limelight to somebody that that he
Speaker 6: he thought deserved it and thought would get a real
Speaker 6: kick and thrill out of it. So Sid had a
Speaker 6: manager for one night, Boss and it wasn't Harvey Wipplman.
Speaker 4: It's bizarre.
Speaker 6: So we tip Burke can't just Sid. That's the part
Speaker 6: of Sid that does the pop tops of the church,
Speaker 6: you know, And yeah, all of that, you know, he
Speaker 6: was wherever you might say about how he conducted his
Speaker 6: personal affairs, he was a humanitarian. He did spend a
Speaker 6: lot of time when he didn't have to talking and
Speaker 6: thinking about out people other than himself or his immediate circle.
Speaker 6: Very concerned with like poverty and childhood, poverty and things,
Speaker 6: and he brought those things up enough over the course
Speaker 6: of enough interviews that I think it's a genuine part
Speaker 6: of who he was and not some put on like
Speaker 6: it all so often is when wrestlers find religion later
Speaker 6: in their lives, you know how that goes. It's really
Speaker 6: confusing with sid because a churchman, a churchman, you know,
Speaker 6: Saint Mary's Cathedral, pop Top, Vienna's all that. You would
Speaker 6: think he was like a lifelong Christian man from down
Speaker 6: that part of the country, but he wasn't. He was
Speaker 6: very straightforward in his interviews saying he was never religious
Speaker 6: growing up. You know, the man was born in Washington
Speaker 6: State on an air base and moved around a lot,
Speaker 6: and had a stepfather more than he had a father,
Speaker 6: it sounds like, and you know, he didn't really have
Speaker 6: like a very nuclear family life coming up in the world.
Speaker 6: So he discovered this kind of spiritual side of himself
Speaker 6: later on. And I just think every now and then
Speaker 6: along this journey, we need to dip our cap to
Speaker 6: that because that's the part of Sid, even if they
Speaker 6: shouldn't necessarily remember that part of him as much as
Speaker 6: they do forgetting everything else he did. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 6: it's hard to it's hard to call a guy who
Speaker 6: almost stabbed arnators and to death the great humanitarian. But
Speaker 6: yet that's where we are. Yeah, I know, that's kind
Speaker 6: of thing, like what the fuck right? You observe him
Speaker 6: week after week in his prime and it's like, no,
Speaker 6: this guy doesn't. This guy definitely didn't have the reputation
Speaker 6: of that. It's like the SID they're describing just was
Speaker 6: not evident to the wrestling fan while he was going
Speaker 6: through the machinations of his years on top and the
Speaker 6: companies he worked for. But that's wrestling. That's why it's
Speaker 6: worth engaging with shoot interviews and books and things like that,
Speaker 6: because you discover that the guy that you knew as
Speaker 6: a fan was like only half of the person that
Speaker 6: people in the business who worked with him and people
Speaker 6: who knew him personally actually remember. So we're locked and
Speaker 6: loaded on Sid now that the Goldberg programs out of
Speaker 6: the way, and now he's going to be on his
Speaker 6: way to being a world champion in WCW. As the
Speaker 6: nineteen ninety nine becomes two thousand, so weird ass. I've
Speaker 6: forwarded you a copy of World Championship Wrestling Magazine. We've
Speaker 6: taken care throughout the course of this Sid journey to
Speaker 6: use wrestling magazine coverage as sort of a signpost to
Speaker 6: where Sid stood and his respective pit stops and wrestling.
Speaker 6: He looked at one of the early WCW magazines when
Speaker 6: he was coming out of the Four Horsemen and how
Speaker 6: he was framed there. We looked at, you know, a
Speaker 6: Vince Russo written WWF magazine article where he's carrying on
Speaker 6: and on and kind of like a half shoot style
Speaker 6: outside of the Cheers Bar in Boston, you remember that
Speaker 6: bizarre and they had that focus issue of that magazine
Speaker 6: they used to do just on him where he talked
Speaker 6: about hunting and having taxidermy fucking deer heads on his
Speaker 6: wall and all that shit. So it's a great way
Speaker 6: to get to know more about the man. And here
Speaker 6: at a time when the ww magazine was helmed by
Speaker 6: former guest on the show, Kevin Eck, they took a
Speaker 6: much more kind of shoot style approach in that the
Speaker 6: stuff the wrestlers were saying in the pages of this magazine,
Speaker 6: were very rarely about the storylines they were involved in,
Speaker 6: and more about the legitimate nature of who they were
Speaker 6: and where they saw themselves in the business, and wanted
Speaker 6: to go very little in the way of speaking in
Speaker 6: k fabe. In the Kevin Eck WCW magazine Days and
Speaker 6: So here is an article that places us in a
Speaker 6: particular point in time where Sid justifies front coverage from
Speaker 6: page coverage in the WW magazine here in two thousand
Speaker 6: and Uh, it's a great way to turn the page
Speaker 6: into the new millennium for the millennium man, So Boston,
Speaker 6: if you could.
Speaker 4: Sid's world, Oh my god, that's horrifying. He's going to
Speaker 4: see his face like he's just like he's on uh
Speaker 4: oh yeah, he's on a four wheeler, all right, and
Speaker 4: he's just like his face is beat red and he
Speaker 4: has just got his mouth wide open, just screaming at
Speaker 4: the top of his lungs, and it's very uncomfortable.
Speaker 6: That's one thing. As camera friendly as he was, he
Speaker 6: was still camera friendly. He was still photo friendly.
Speaker 4: This guy.
Speaker 6: There's some money shots of him holding like the globe,
Speaker 6: like a psychled look on his face.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, he just he always looks fucking awful.
Speaker 4: He's very uh in a good way. Yeah, yeah, he's
Speaker 4: very photogetic. Twenty minutes northwest of Memphis International Airport, across
Speaker 4: the Mississippi River sits Marion, Arkansas, a quiet country town
Speaker 4: and the home of a WCW superstar. The setting seems
Speaker 4: rather odd for a man of sid vicious nature, but
Speaker 4: it's a peaceful and seemingly a world away from the hectic,
Speaker 4: violent world of professional wrestling. Here Vicious can hunt, ride
Speaker 4: his four wheeler, relax, and spend time with his family
Speaker 4: without interruption. The great thing about Marion is you're fifteen
Speaker 4: minutes away from Memphis, which is a big city with
Speaker 4: all the luxuries of life, says Vicious, who lives in
Speaker 4: the upscale River Trace section of Marion. He is a
Speaker 4: five minute drive from the Griffin gas station.
Speaker 6: Oh fascinating. Tell me more.
Speaker 4: Fuck cares a oh a minute down the road from
Speaker 4: the shake Shack. That's okay, all right, I'm with you
Speaker 4: on that. One and two more and it's from the
Speaker 4: Hallmark in All Rooms twenty nine ninety five. Vicious neat
Speaker 4: two story home sits in an exclusive neighborhood. The interior
Speaker 4: is conservatively decorated by Sid's wife, who owns an extensive
Speaker 4: doll collection.
Speaker 6: Oh boy, does she have any Sid dolls.
Speaker 4: Like you, Matt? Oh, just can you just imagine, like,
Speaker 4: you know, like one of those places where you get
Speaker 4: dolls like on the bed, like the guest room, and
Speaker 4: you get like dolls in the bed.
Speaker 6: And there's always a doll in the in the in
Speaker 6: the guest.
Speaker 4: And she's like, you know, she's she's moved the head
Speaker 4: so that the doll is like you're opening the door,
Speaker 4: and the dolls are looking at you. Even though the
Speaker 4: bed's not facing towards the door, the dolls are facing
Speaker 4: towards you, and.
Speaker 6: They all seem to be going.
Speaker 4: La la la la, la, la, la, la la la.
Speaker 6: Welcome to the Udi Home.
Speaker 4: An upstairs room houses Sid's office. He owns a computer
Speaker 4: and he has become familiar with the power of the Internet.
Speaker 6: Don't say.
Speaker 4: That's good, Jesus, what the same picture? And then I
Speaker 4: gotta zoom out here for a second. I don't know
Speaker 4: why this is May's Oh, I see what happened here?
Speaker 4: Never mind, it's you got double page. He recently purchased
Speaker 4: the right to sid vicious dot.
Speaker 6: Com doesn't exist.
Speaker 4: Anymore, of course not. He has keen. I'm sure it
Speaker 4: never existed. Actually I didn't. I'm sure never. He owned
Speaker 4: the the website, but nothing ever happened with it.
Speaker 6: There's a reason he puts it that way. I purchased
Speaker 6: the rights too, right. I spent a good amount of
Speaker 6: time in the way back machine, and I couldn't find
Speaker 6: anything at sid vicious dot com.
Speaker 4: I guarantee you there was nothing there. He has keen
Speaker 4: business since and wants to maintain control of his name
Speaker 4: and character.
Speaker 2: He is.
Speaker 4: His office also holds a tanning bed.
Speaker 6: Brother, he has a tanning bed in his office.
Speaker 4: That's weird. Of course he does stationary bicycle, isn't it
Speaker 4: just called an exercise bike.
Speaker 6: A stationary bicycle is also called a bicycle.
Speaker 4: It's also called a.
Speaker 6: I don't know, a statue, yeah, or a well what
Speaker 6: it ends up being in most cases a fucking clothes hanger.
Speaker 4: Exactly, and loads of memories packed inside photo albums. The
Speaker 4: backyard garden features tomatoes, peas, melons, beans, peppers, squash, okra,
Speaker 4: and corn. Often the goods are distributed to the areas
Speaker 4: poor yep. Also in the backyard is a swimming pool,
Speaker 4: rarely used by the man of the house. That's a
Speaker 4: so thank you for telling me that he lives in
Speaker 4: this big house and he wastes his pool.
Speaker 6: Here's my pool. I never go in it though.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I have a pool in the back, but I
Speaker 4: don't ever use it. I'm actually not a fan of pools.
Speaker 4: I don't allow them to be used by anybody in
Speaker 4: a batting cage. And of course he does and pitching
Speaker 4: machine that enables Vicious to indulge his long standing passion
Speaker 4: for softball.
Speaker 6: Awesome.
Speaker 4: He enjoys the sport so much that often he has
Speaker 4: been labeled a part time wrestler and a full time
Speaker 4: softball player right there in the company magazine. People say,
Speaker 4: I'd rather play softball than wrestling. That's ridiculous. Happy years
Speaker 4: ago was I had surgery and I couldn't and didn't
Speaker 4: quite look the way I did when I left, so
Speaker 4: I was told stay home to improve my shape. I
Speaker 4: did that, and since it was summer, I played softball.
Speaker 4: Before you know it, we're got out that I was
Speaker 4: out playing softball instead of wrestling. On another occasion, I
Speaker 4: was leaving the WWE for WCW while while I was
Speaker 4: waiting for my release from the WWE. I was in
Speaker 4: limbo job wise, since it was a summer, I played softball.
Speaker 4: I love softball, but I never plays at of wrestling
Speaker 4: or do anything that wasn't making a better future for
Speaker 4: my family. That doesn't make sense.
Speaker 6: So here we're going to introduce you to Sid's life,
Speaker 6: his home, his environment, and we're going to show you
Speaker 6: that it's batting cage. And then we're going to turn
Speaker 6: over three paragraphs to him right prevaricating about him.
Speaker 4: How he would never do anything to, you know, potentially
Speaker 4: damage his career.
Speaker 6: He offers the defense as well as the accusation right now,
Speaker 6: not even brings it up, launching it in his defense.
Speaker 4: Vicious about the pitching machine years ago for his son Frank,
Speaker 4: who uses the cage during the summer, often taking two
Speaker 4: hundred to three hundred cuts a day.
Speaker 6: It's only he take two hundred to three hundred cases
Speaker 6: a day.
Speaker 4: If only that piece of shit would take two hundred
Speaker 4: cases of vienn It's a goddamn cathedral. We're supposed to
Speaker 4: be fucking.
Speaker 6: Christian, right, They don't have enough for the pop top
Speaker 6: i like pop tarts And a related note, I understand
Speaker 6: the van has also come with the packs of crackers,
Speaker 6: water water, a moon pie. Sometimes eat moon pie. I
Speaker 6: want to tell you something, big secarette about moon pie.
Speaker 6: It's not from the moon.
Speaker 4: Do you know that?
Speaker 12: No?
Speaker 2: No, I do.
Speaker 3: I don't know that.
Speaker 18: He sent my church in case of Vienna sausages, and
Speaker 18: I sent him an autograph picture.
Speaker 4: It's like the biggest Like who gives a ship?
Speaker 8: Uh?
Speaker 4: Vicious? H I hope he was a fan. I don't remember,
Speaker 4: you know, like, I hope he wasn't a stranger. Who's like,
Speaker 4: where the fuck is this? Said Vicious? Listen I used
Speaker 4: to love Sid Vicious say goddamn sit Vicious. Oh man,
Speaker 4: I know side listen to dad damn records. Is this
Speaker 4: ship is blonde? Bitch? I know?
Speaker 6: Sid?
Speaker 4: He says, Vicious brought bought the pitching machine. Ears Oh yes, Frank.
Speaker 7: Uh.
Speaker 4: Softball is a little black wrestling. It's a team. It's
Speaker 4: all about the camaraderie, the competition, says Vicious, a powerful
Speaker 4: home run hitter who played for the Memphis Socks and
Speaker 4: other top level slow pitch teams.
Speaker 6: Let me ask you a question. When he says softball
Speaker 6: is a little like wrestling and says it's a team,
Speaker 6: what's he talking about? I feel wrestling is not a
Speaker 6: team at all.
Speaker 4: Wrestling is not about being Maybe maybe he's like breaking
Speaker 4: the fourth wall on KFE there. I don't know. I
Speaker 4: miss softball, he says, I always wish. So here he
Speaker 4: just yes three paragraphs later, three paragraphs after saying he'd
Speaker 4: write he would never choose softball over wrestling. I miss softball.
Speaker 4: I always wish I could have been able to play
Speaker 4: pro baseball. His favorite baseball team is the Saint Louis Cardinals.
Speaker 4: His all time favorite player is Babe Ruth. There's just
Speaker 4: something magic.
Speaker 8: About that guy.
Speaker 6: Yeah, you saw him live so many times.
Speaker 4: You know when I go see Babe Ruth Wressell.
Speaker 6: Wait a minute, I'm doing the math. George Herman Ruth.
Speaker 6: That's his wrestling name.
Speaker 4: Yeah, of course.
Speaker 7: Uh.
Speaker 4: Today Vicious is an Atlanta Braves fan and regularly wears
Speaker 4: a New York Yankees cap.
Speaker 6: Okay, wait a minute, so hold on what So his
Speaker 6: favorite team is the Cardinals. But he's an Atlanta Braves
Speaker 6: fan who wears a Yankees cap?
Speaker 4: Right? Who were the Yankees? This guy does not know
Speaker 4: shit about baseball? All right?
Speaker 6: Well, I'll tell you he doesn't know about his preferences
Speaker 6: for baseball.
Speaker 4: Let me tell you some I want to tell you something.
Speaker 4: You can say whatever you want about me, but I
Speaker 4: don't know shit about baseball.
Speaker 6: That is a doozy of a paragraph right there.
Speaker 4: That really is. When he's not on the road, Vicious'
Speaker 4: day starts at six a m. But what's this? Wouldn't
Speaker 4: he normally do that too, like to get up and
Speaker 4: go to the gym before a show, I don't know,
Speaker 4: after his usual breakfast of ten egg whites, sweet potatoes,
Speaker 4: and coffee sweetened with honey. Frank, you get the honey.
Speaker 4: Why does that make me laugh so much? Because it's
Speaker 4: like the last person you'd think would kind of care
Speaker 4: about coffee that way.
Speaker 6: Exactly a little dollup, you know, Oh God.
Speaker 4: Frank, Frank, Frank, you usually last of the honey. Because
Speaker 4: I won the cupboard and I was looking for my honey,
Speaker 4: and you see that label says Dad's honey. Don't touch Frank.
Speaker 4: That's really good.
Speaker 6: But that's really good Dad's honey. I'm trying to remember
Speaker 6: how he said it was great, honey, don't touch, don't
Speaker 6: touch Frank. There's only one person in the house we
Speaker 6: try to touch. It's God, another son. He's got a daughter.
Speaker 6: No fucks so funny, Oh my god.
Speaker 4: He drives twenty minutes to a Golds gym in Memphis.
Speaker 4: He has a small gym in his garage, but he
Speaker 4: prefers the atmosphere and the friendships he's developed at Gold's.
Speaker 4: At Gold's, Vicious faithfully adheres to his routine. We developed
Speaker 4: goodworth ethic early in life. It's going to carry through
Speaker 4: the rest of your life. My sons, Frank and Gunner
Speaker 4: are fucking idiots, are the same way. Frank, fifteen is
Speaker 4: a straight a student. Gunner is six.
Speaker 6: So that's what all we can say about him at
Speaker 6: this point.
Speaker 4: So how does he he has a good work ethic
Speaker 4: at age six? That's where we're at. Okay, yeah, uh.
Speaker 4: Vicious takes a pessimistic.
Speaker 6: Uh oh, I don't like where this is going.
Speaker 4: Vicious takes a pessimistic approach to Frank. Go ahead, go ahead,
Speaker 4: finish the fact, often motivating his son by telling him
Speaker 4: he's not doing as well as expected.
Speaker 6: See, just when you want to say, like, that's the
Speaker 6: thing about Sid, he's a family man, like and then
Speaker 6: you read these little twists like this, like what you
Speaker 6: see him on Big Brother, his son. It's like this
Speaker 6: guy is like, oh my god, this guy is kind
Speaker 6: of a weird dad.
Speaker 4: I mean the fact that he picks on Frank. I mean,
Speaker 4: I you know, I mean, that's lap serendipity right there.
Speaker 4: We were expecting. Oh my god, I didn't expect that.
Speaker 4: I'll tell you what. I didn't expect to see him
Speaker 4: writing right all right, I know, like he clearly volunteered
Speaker 4: that with Bride for the author to feel comfortable putting
Speaker 4: in the article. Still, Frank maintains a ninety nine average.
Speaker 4: Don't accept anything less than one hundred, and he knows that.
Speaker 6: Oh my god, what's the quote against say it?
Speaker 4: So the writer goes Frank maintains a ninety nine average,
Speaker 4: Sid says, quote, I don't accept anything less than one hundred,
Speaker 4: and he knows that.
Speaker 6: Yeah, that sounds fine, right, that's not like sign of
Speaker 6: trouble totally.
Speaker 4: I mean not only that, but it's a total. It's
Speaker 4: goals that are easily achievable. All right.
Speaker 6: I'm glad we agree with that, because I wasn't sure
Speaker 6: if I was on another planet for a second.
Speaker 4: Listen, what the fuck I mean, what do you expect?
Speaker 4: You get a hundred or you fucking get killed?
Speaker 6: Thank you.
Speaker 4: Know, as we sit here and tribute to your father today,
Speaker 4: I do wonder what you think about this quote that
Speaker 4: he once gaves WW magazine. Frank, I want to tell
Speaker 4: you something. I'm speaking to you from the beyond. You
Speaker 4: get anything less than one hundred, I will bring you,
Speaker 4: drag you up here with me. Right.
Speaker 8: I'm watching you day and night. A none to nine, Frank,
Speaker 8: an nine is not acceptable. Do you know what the
Speaker 8: penalty is for a nine to nine?
Speaker 4: Frank?
Speaker 7: Yeah?
Speaker 6: Yeah, So at least we're not taking it too far.
Speaker 6: That's what's good about the bits we keep it fenced in,
Speaker 6: you know.
Speaker 4: Right, we always we never crossed that line into inappropriate.
Speaker 13: Uh.
Speaker 4: Vicious often gets autographs for Frank from celebrities at WCW events.
Speaker 6: So are you saying?
Speaker 4: Who are you?
Speaker 6: Are you saying? He gets Frank an autographed picture.
Speaker 4: See I tell you this. When Frank delivers the Vienna's,
Speaker 4: I'll give him an autograph picture.
Speaker 6: First.
Speaker 4: The viennas.
Speaker 6: These little small penises in a can.
Speaker 4: Toddler Cox in the camp.
Speaker 6: I mean, of all the things, you know, if it
Speaker 6: was can soup, we would have anything.
Speaker 4: To say nothing, you know what I mean? The fact
Speaker 4: that it's like the most the most just bizarre, randomly
Speaker 4: canned meat. Okay. Also, by the way, celebrities at w
Speaker 4: w VNS, what well.
Speaker 6: I mean, I can think of maybe Gene Simmons or
Speaker 6: Master p.
Speaker 4: Or Jason Hervey. That what we're going for it is
Speaker 4: upstanding people such as former North Carolina basketball coach Dean Smith,
Speaker 4: who vicious wants Frank to admire. Okay, I'm gonna tell
Speaker 4: you who you'd mar, Frank. All right, you're doing people
Speaker 4: on your own choice. You environ our people that I
Speaker 4: say are appropriate.
Speaker 6: Son, Do you see that coach on the screen there?
Speaker 4: You see that dumb fuck right there, that's who you'd meyer.
Speaker 6: It's the guy I just called the dumb fuck. That's
Speaker 6: who you admire. He calls him a dumb fuck? Why
Speaker 6: does he call him a dumb fuck?
Speaker 4: We'll never know?
Speaker 6: So awesome, Oh good, he's supposed to be good. Like,
Speaker 6: why did you call him a dumb fuck? And then
Speaker 6: you didn't like him? That would be a sad thing.
Speaker 6: He'd like, I want, I want you to pat it
Speaker 6: in yourself after this absolute loser. So he totally confuses
Speaker 6: the kid who thinks he's doing just fine.
Speaker 4: You know, Yeah, Vicious doesn't drink or smoke and expects
Speaker 4: his kids to also avoid those habits. I think I'm
Speaker 4: a good father, but sometimes I wonder if because I'm
Speaker 4: so hard on my kids, they don't know how I
Speaker 4: really feel about them.
Speaker 6: Oh well, I guess he's powerless to do anything about that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 4: Vicious never has attended Frank's school related events the Reporter,
Speaker 4: and has attended only one of Gunners.
Speaker 6: Who's counting, though, But who's counting?
Speaker 4: Frank? How does that makes you feel?
Speaker 6: They're all sitting around doing the interview for the magazine.
Speaker 4: I bet you know I went to Gunner's event, Frank.
Speaker 6: How does that make you feel? This is a kid,
Speaker 6: I'm big brother. You have to remember this picture of
Speaker 6: Frank you and his face on big Brother? It said
Speaker 6: looking at him? How does that make you feel?
Speaker 4: I want I want you to hear something come out
Speaker 4: of my mouth. It's real simple. And you look me
Speaker 4: dead in the eye.
Speaker 6: This is a weird dude. I don't care, man, because.
Speaker 4: What I'm gonna say is going to hit you in
Speaker 4: the head like a shot. I will never ever go
Speaker 4: to a school event for you.
Speaker 6: School related event, school related event, I have never and
Speaker 6: I will never attend one of your school related events.
Speaker 4: I will never go a football game, I will never
Speaker 4: go to wrestling match. I'll never go to your graduation,
Speaker 4: but I will go to owners.
Speaker 6: Is that because the game we play?
Speaker 4: Does that make you feel Frank?
Speaker 6: Is that because the game we play is real simple?
Speaker 4: Because the game we play is real simple? I want
Speaker 4: better for you then I have myself.
Speaker 6: You know Sid loves you when he treats you like shit,
Speaker 6: that's lead.
Speaker 4: Usually he's on the road, but he also skips events
Speaker 4: when he is home.
Speaker 6: No way, ross Forman's having some fun at Sid's expense. Here,
Speaker 6: there's this, there's too much double entendres going on here.
Speaker 4: Because he doesn't want to be a distraction. Vicious is
Speaker 4: adamant that his sons not brag about their dad and
Speaker 4: attract attention they don't need. Yet, he says, Vicious also
Speaker 4: finds time for his three dollars. I won't find time
Speaker 4: for my son, but I will find time for my dog.
Speaker 13: Right.
Speaker 6: Well, they just finished several paragraphs saying how he doesn't
Speaker 6: find time for skids, but this paragraph begins. Vicious also finds.
Speaker 4: Time finds time for his three by also finds time.
Speaker 4: Doesn't find time before, but you're just say. But he
Speaker 4: does find time for his three dogs, Buddy Rotwiler, Baby Labrador,
Speaker 4: and Betsy mixed breed. And he maintains a gun collection.
Speaker 6: Oh I knew that was coming.
Speaker 4: It is an avid game hunter. Vicious of life is
Speaker 4: in all roses. No shit, haven't hurt any at all yet.
Speaker 4: The picture of the Internet and dirt sheets have painted
Speaker 4: of him over his career isn't pretty A drifter. Most
Speaker 4: of his wrestling career, Vicious has wrestled in many promotions.
Speaker 4: In addition to his work in WCW, He has had
Speaker 4: stints in the WWE and e CW. Those who spread
Speaker 4: the rumors and gossip rarely no Vicious, so he doesn't
Speaker 4: let the words bother him.
Speaker 6: Rumors and gossip that he walks out on companies. That's
Speaker 6: what he does. That's obvious.
Speaker 4: So I've never read wrestling newsletter and never will because
Speaker 4: wows brought up in this business. Dirt sheets are just that,
Speaker 4: dirt sheets. They're just someone's opinion who never's wrestled, and
Speaker 4: they're judging you by their opinion, not a knowledge. Those
Speaker 4: people haven't run a promotion, been on the road three
Speaker 4: hundred days a year or done anything of the sort.
Speaker 6: Now, where are the dirt sheets being written by Bill
Speaker 6: Watts and three other people who meet the criteria?
Speaker 4: I know exactly where the people who who would totally
Speaker 4: fucking not share the truth or share facts because it
Speaker 4: doesn't make them look good.
Speaker 6: Why don't successful wresting promoters just turn around write dirt sheets.
Speaker 6: That's a reasonable expectation.
Speaker 4: Dirt sheets are for people who aren't really sure about
Speaker 4: who they are, where they stand this business. They look
Speaker 4: for approval, Okay, okay, maybe they just look to share information.
Speaker 6: Maybe, like I don't know, if someone praises him for
Speaker 6: a job well done, they like to read about it. Yeah,
Speaker 6: as opposed to like I never want my kids to
Speaker 6: ever think they did a job well done.
Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 6: Crank that softball too, I know.
Speaker 4: Look at that seriously, I'm really hoping you know, what
Speaker 4: I think and I'm praying is that the ball is
Speaker 4: actually hanging by a thin thread and that he's posing there.
Speaker 6: Photo that's got to be his backyard batting cage.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, for sure. I mean it also looks like
Speaker 4: I don't know, I mean, you know baseball better than
Speaker 4: I do, and kind of like this, but doesn't look
Speaker 4: like he's in the right position to be like, because
Speaker 4: it looks like he's a little too close to the
Speaker 4: fence there. Yeah, I guess you're right.
Speaker 6: You know, that's not a matter of baseball, that's just
Speaker 6: a matter of like depth perception.
Speaker 4: Really, I mean, I don't I don't know. I mean,
Speaker 4: I'm just because like, don't you know. I know, I
Speaker 4: know that they obviously had the fencing and stuff like that,
Speaker 4: but like it seems like this fence is very it's
Speaker 4: it's very tight compared to what I mean. No, he
Speaker 4: probably doesn't have like a crazy ass batting cage like
Speaker 4: you see at at like parks and whatever. But I
Speaker 4: don't know, it just seems an odd.
Speaker 6: Photo, very interesting to me.
Speaker 4: Oh sorry, Uh they're looking forward.
Speaker 7: Uh.
Speaker 4: Vicious, his latest in WW has proved most of his
Speaker 4: critics wrong.
Speaker 6: Really.
Speaker 4: He had a memorable match with Goldberg at Halloween Havoc.
Speaker 4: He bled so profusely from a facial cut that he
Speaker 4: called home to assure his family he was okay, and
Speaker 4: he's one of the most popular men in the company.
Speaker 6: Okay, great paragraph said, not reading the dirt.
Speaker 4: Right, certainly not that's him trying to fucking that's him
Speaker 4: trying to look at his own website under construction.
Speaker 6: Uters looked like that.
Speaker 4: Look at that monitor, oh man, I yeah, sure, I
Speaker 4: mean that was high tech.
Speaker 6: The curvature of the screen.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean it's like a tvue. You know, it
Speaker 4: was a tube uh style monitor, fucking heaviest shiit amazing.
Speaker 4: Remember how fucking heavy those things were.
Speaker 6: And we thought we had the world in that boss. Yep, yep,
Speaker 6: that's all we needed.
Speaker 4: I you know, I remember. It's so funny, like you
Speaker 4: remember my my old editing computer that i'd bring to college,
Speaker 4: and that thing was so fucking big, so fucking heavy,
Speaker 4: it was huge. It was huge. Now I've got a
Speaker 4: thing I can carry with one hand, and it's more
Speaker 4: and it's four times as powerful. I don't know, so crazy.
Speaker 6: It's progress, for sure. I'm just not sure it's better.
Speaker 4: We'll see, Yeah, we'll see. But Vicious doesn't consider himself
Speaker 4: a celebrity. Wrestling is just a career step for him.
Speaker 4: It's hard for me to ever think of myself being
Speaker 4: a celebrity. No one here really looks at me as
Speaker 4: looks looks looks me as a celebrity. But yet he
Speaker 4: doesn't want his sons to brag about him.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I don't get it. What are they going to
Speaker 6: brag about it if you're not a celebrity.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's funny. I can go down to a convenience
Speaker 4: store and the clerk will ask what are you doing?
Speaker 4: To Marion at Arkansas? I understand. So if he's not
Speaker 4: a celebrity, no one here looks at you as a celebrity,
Speaker 4: then why would they ask you what are you doing
Speaker 4: in Mary in Arkansas? I mean, are they saying you
Speaker 4: look like a fucking New Yorker or something, and like
Speaker 4: why are you here?
Speaker 8: Maybe?
Speaker 6: Maybe it's maybe it's the Yankees.
Speaker 4: Hat maybe seriously, or or the or the Cardinals had
Speaker 4: for that matter, either one. No matter what anyone else thinks,
Speaker 4: Vicious is proud of his wrestling career.
Speaker 6: Geez the bat.
Speaker 4: I don't sure what anyone says. I am proud. I
Speaker 4: know that Dave Melcher says, I'm not proud, right, It's
Speaker 4: pretty much what he says.
Speaker 6: It's got to be so hard to like pretend that
Speaker 6: you don't know what the newsletters say about you, but
Speaker 6: at the same time make your whole identity about being
Speaker 6: not what people say, you are.
Speaker 4: Like seriously saying, no matter what anyone else thinks, if
Speaker 4: he didn't read the fucking dirt sheets, he wouldn't know
Speaker 4: what they thought and wouldn't care.
Speaker 6: Right, He definitely wouldn't like have this part of his identity.
Speaker 6: That's about, you know, proving that stuff wrong. Right, This
Speaker 6: whole thing is like for no reason, just like negative.
Speaker 6: You know, people forget this about sid like they act
Speaker 6: like because so many years passed from this till his
Speaker 6: death that people forget that this was like the prevailing
Speaker 6: like feeling about this guy, the prevailing sentiment. Right, even
Speaker 6: the House magazine can't ignore it.
Speaker 4: He has come a long way since he first stepped
Speaker 4: into the ring. When I first started wrestling school, that's
Speaker 4: what it says. When I first started at wrestling school,
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, that's where you go to learn wrestling, right,
Speaker 4: I remember thinking, Man, I wonder what it will take
Speaker 4: to get to that top spot. I don't think I'm
Speaker 4: at Hulk Hogan's level. No, I'm not a big movie star.
Speaker 6: Oh god.
Speaker 4: Greater, it said, But I think I'm in a good
Speaker 4: position for someone who started out maryon Tech Arkansas. That's
Speaker 4: kind of talking low of Marrion Arkansas a shot. Yeah,
Speaker 4: Vicious expect to be involved in wrestling for a long time.
Speaker 4: His body will eventually prevent him from competing, and he
Speaker 4: is making provisions for when that time comes. He sees
Speaker 4: himself in a managerial role. I know I can go
Speaker 4: another three or four more years, and I know I
Speaker 4: can work and talk. I really think that I have
Speaker 4: some knowledge of this business. I know how to create characters,
Speaker 4: and I know some of the things that work.
Speaker 6: This guy, this guy has been trying to talk himself
Speaker 6: into a booking job ever since he was a rookie
Speaker 6: in the business. And it's just not gonna, can't not
Speaker 6: gonna happen.
Speaker 4: Dude, this is what he says here. Okay, I know
Speaker 4: how to create characters, and I know some of the
Speaker 4: things that work.
Speaker 6: You're right. He is this way of like saying things
Speaker 6: where he just takes all the air out of his
Speaker 6: own point. You know, Like, tell me about your kids, Well,
Speaker 6: I don't accept that they do anything. Well, it's like
Speaker 6: you to tell me about do anything.
Speaker 10: Well.
Speaker 4: Number two, I won't let them do anything well. Yeah.
Speaker 6: Yeah, he leaves that part out too often. Yeah. One time,
Speaker 6: by the time was rounding third for an inside the
Speaker 6: park home run and I jumped over the fence to
Speaker 6: tackle him so he couldn't do it.
Speaker 1: He's the Lapstan Wrestling podcast, the wrestling podcast that knows
Speaker 1: the boys need their candy. It's the Lapsed Fan. He's
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Speaker 4: One time I saw Frank he hit the ball out
Speaker 4: of the park. He started running around, and when he
Speaker 4: got to third base, I said, fright, turn around, don't
Speaker 4: store turn around. I'll kill you.
Speaker 6: Ship no under the cops showed up, I'll kill you.
Speaker 6: Where did he say that? Okay?
Speaker 4: At Rumbled ninety two, at Logan at the very end,
Speaker 4: he goes, go bad, go bad. Yeah, did they come
Speaker 4: on again?
Speaker 6: Please let's go said, it's a tribute to l f X.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 6: He's definitely the guy that like driving home from the game.
Speaker 6: Does he have a catch?
Speaker 4: Son?
Speaker 6: Let me ask you a question. Why don't you pop
Speaker 6: up and throw the third immediately? Oh Dad, why didn't
Speaker 6: you do it? Why he's looking at him in the
Speaker 6: rear view, locked in immediately pissed laser vision. No respect
Speaker 6: for the fact the kid pulled something off, Like it's
Speaker 6: every every compliment it's like, okay, here comes you know.
Speaker 4: You wait, you wait. I appreciate it. I thought you
Speaker 4: made a good catch out there, Frank, really good catch.
Speaker 4: But you think you threw hard enough? Why don't you
Speaker 4: do hard enough to get the ball third base?
Speaker 6: And this, this, this present is to Dad from the boys.
Speaker 6: Here you go. Oh man, you guys are too much.
Speaker 4: Wow, God, I shouldn't have done this right now?
Speaker 6: What a beautiful sweater. Now, let me ask you a question.
Speaker 6: What might he ask for us?
Speaker 4: It's a beef for sweater. Let me ask you something
Speaker 4: that's real simple.
Speaker 7: Oh.
Speaker 6: It gets quiet on Christmas morning in the Udi home
Speaker 6: when he start.
Speaker 4: Do I ever wear sweaters? And do you think I'm
Speaker 4: gonna wear sweater from you? Well?
Speaker 6: That I just I thought that maybe.
Speaker 4: Oh my god, that's what I think is sweaters, especially
Speaker 4: sweaters from you. Now we'll put in the fire too.
Speaker 6: He makes them burn the sweater and stand there and
Speaker 6: look at it that they picked out for him. They're like, ten, I.
Speaker 4: Want you and you know what you want to know something?
Speaker 4: You guys give me a sweater for Christmas? When I
Speaker 4: don't wear sweaters, I'm taking all your presents back. In fact,
Speaker 4: you know what put him on the fire? Do you
Speaker 4: not even know me.
Speaker 6: Put him on the fire? There goes a tycho truck melted.
Speaker 4: I don't know why.
Speaker 6: I don't know why the guy to get more respect,
Speaker 6: you know, I'm like really sad. Actually right now, I
Speaker 6: actually can't hand my hand on it what you're saying
Speaker 6: at all, because I don't know. I didn't when I
Speaker 6: handed to the reins, I just thought it would be
Speaker 6: like some kind of like why'd you get me a large?
Speaker 6: But no, he turned into I'm taking all your presence back,
Speaker 6: know what forget to throw them on the fire right now?
Speaker 6: He gets up there, he gets okay, Then he gets
Speaker 6: up and the way I want you to know, the
Speaker 6: way they look at their own toys burning in the fire,
Speaker 6: is the same way he looks at the undelivered Viennas, just.
Speaker 4: Standing there staring at it, realizing they didn't deserve them.
Speaker 4: And he gets up. He goes in the kitchen. No,
Speaker 4: he grabs the turkey and just frozen on the floor.
Speaker 6: Don't get pa the wrong thing for Christmas? All right,
Speaker 6: just don't do.
Speaker 4: It fucking Christmas. He kicks the turkey. Yes, it is right,
Speaker 4: I want you Gonner get on your goddamn Christmas. This
Speaker 4: is way too far.
Speaker 6: Hold on, eat your Christmas turkey, he says, he calls
Speaker 6: it Christmas turkey. That's creepy, that's really creepy, your Christmas turkey.
Speaker 4: And then he just leaves. He leaves and doesn't come
Speaker 4: back until late at night. So, you know, Christmas at the.
Speaker 6: You know, I always live in fear of getting an
Speaker 6: email like from from like one of them saying you
Speaker 6: know you joke, but actually more afraid of that than
Speaker 6: them like taking them bread.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 6: Well, thanks to WW Magazine and the intrepid journalism of
Speaker 6: Ross Foreman.
Speaker 4: For the Oh my god, into sid Psyche.
Speaker 7: What was that?
Speaker 4: Also looking at look at waiting the fucking baseball hat
Speaker 4: backwards like an.
Speaker 6: All the time man, no awareness of the fact that
Speaker 6: it makes most like a twelve year old boy.
Speaker 4: He looks for someone who was like, she just doesn't
Speaker 4: look okay, you know right, also wearing his fucking champion
Speaker 4: T shirt tucked into his jeans, or.
Speaker 6: Someone who was so preoccupied but like looking the part,
Speaker 6: you know, wouldn't even go on ro if he had
Speaker 6: didn't get a pump on or whatever, you know, wouldn't
Speaker 6: come back to w CW until he was a full
Speaker 6: mountain of muscle. He certainly doesn't worry about how he
Speaker 6: looks in a little boy's hat all the time.
Speaker 4: By the way, uh. One of the captions for one
Speaker 4: of the photos. Tossing a football is one of many
Speaker 4: activities that Vicious enjoys in his time away from wrestling.
Speaker 4: Tossing a football.
Speaker 6: Sid Well, I see this here, Ross, this is an
Speaker 6: American football.
Speaker 4: So well, I have here see you? You know football?
Speaker 4: Are you aware of the sport? Yeah?
Speaker 6: I know, football?
Speaker 4: Is said, So I like to do you when I
Speaker 4: come home? He's just throw a football.
Speaker 6: Did he say, hold on, I can't let you not
Speaker 6: get recrded for this? Did he say are you aware
Speaker 6: of the sport? What he said? Are you aware of
Speaker 6: the sport? Because he says it almost like he's trying
Speaker 6: to be accommodating, but there's still like condescension in it.
Speaker 6: You know, It's like how a priest talks to somebody.
Speaker 6: You know, it's like a lot of judgment in there,
Speaker 6: but he's he's making it seem like an honest entreaty.
Speaker 6: You know, are you are you aware of the sport?
Speaker 6: It's like, what do you think I am? Fucking brain dead.
Speaker 3: Oh my god.
Speaker 6: Like I'm from Bangladesh. Yes, I know where football is.
Speaker 4: Everybody in the globe knows about American football.
Speaker 6: I like to toss this thing around.
Speaker 4: That's what I do.
Speaker 6: Spare time.
Speaker 4: I tossed things in my my spared time. Sometimes I toss.
Speaker 4: Oh well.
Speaker 6: I shouldn't. I shouldn't. You know who else tosses things
Speaker 6: in the spare time Atterson?
Speaker 4: Oh good, So.
Speaker 6: It is tremendous. And we thank him for his candor, uh,
Speaker 6: for his service, and for his guidance to parenting. I
Speaker 6: here in the pages of magazine. So this is two thousand. Man,
Speaker 6: you thought it was weird before, We're just getting weirder.
Speaker 6: So to revisit, recall that Brett won the title at
Speaker 6: Stark ninety nine. Yes, and then I defended it a
Speaker 6: couple times, had the match with Terry Funk on Thunder
Speaker 6: we talked about and then went out with a concussion
Speaker 6: that later caused the well cause the memory loss and
Speaker 6: all the all the real serious issues for bretton he
Speaker 6: they would, for all intents and purposes, never wrestle again.
Speaker 6: So we got to figure out something to do with
Speaker 6: the belt. Brett vacates it, yeah, and retires nine months later.
Speaker 6: And here's Vince Russo in his book about the position
Speaker 6: to put him in his ww booker at the time.
Speaker 6: What if Sid outlasted twenty six other opponents and a
Speaker 6: thirty to forty five minute span he's talking about like
Speaker 6: a battle royal idea?
Speaker 4: What the fuck?
Speaker 6: Yeah, he went to like a royal rumble. Okay, what
Speaker 6: if Sid was in the ring alone, battered, beaten, hurt, bloodied. Well,
Speaker 6: that's going to be a long negotiation, Vince. Yeah, exactly,
Speaker 6: worn out, tired and dead on his feet when the
Speaker 6: last competitor made his way out to the ring. What
Speaker 6: if that last competitor was a fresh, hungry lion looking
Speaker 6: to make a name for himself in the wrestling business.
Speaker 6: What if that competitor was a shoot fighter by the
Speaker 6: name a Tank Abbot. Well, again, let's get back to
Speaker 6: what if this were real? If this were what if? Yeah,
Speaker 6: that's a big one, Vince, that's not his minder. If
Speaker 6: this were real, almost nothing we do would make would
Speaker 6: would make any sense. If this were real, Tank Abbott
Speaker 6: would have hit the shocked Sid one time and send
Speaker 6: him sailing over the top rope. Then, much to his
Speaker 6: surprise and everyone else's. Tank g Abbott would have been
Speaker 6: standing in the center of the ring do w c
Speaker 6: W World Heavyweight Champion. That's what would happen if this
Speaker 6: were real. Okay, So if this were real, Okay, So
Speaker 6: this is what he's saying. If this were real, Tank
Speaker 6: would get in the ring and punch Sid so hard
Speaker 6: he'd fly over the rooms. Just think how ridiculous that is. First,
Speaker 6: imagine this idea that like you leave your feet like that.
Speaker 4: When you get punched.
Speaker 6: Fucking hilarious. He hit the ground like a sack of potatoes.
Speaker 6: He wouldn't go over the top rope. It didn't make
Speaker 6: any sense I now.
Speaker 4: Not at all.
Speaker 6: Then, much to his surprise and everybody else's. Okay, I
Speaker 6: already read that. That's what would happen if this were real. Terry,
Speaker 6: he's talking about Terry Taylor, Bill, he'sund about Bill Bush
Speaker 6: and whoever else was there, digested it, tweaked it. What
Speaker 6: do you say?
Speaker 20: Oh?
Speaker 6: I think I failed to copy the rest of this.
Speaker 6: Let me get this back here. Sorry, everybody, brother, this
Speaker 6: is not what What did you get me again?
Speaker 4: Terry?
Speaker 6: Why don't we visit with Trump pulling this up? Visit
Speaker 6: with Sid going over a ninety eight that Frank got
Speaker 6: in a math test in tenth grade.
Speaker 4: Frank comes home from school, right, and it's like, you know,
Speaker 4: it's it's it's a little bit later, you know, think
Speaker 4: about it during it's like winter, and so it's you know,
Speaker 4: he comes back here like some kind of practice or whatever.
Speaker 4: And so he's back home like maybe five o'clock, so
Speaker 4: it's dark outside, no lights on in the house, comes inside, enters,
Speaker 4: the door, closes, the door. Did you get ninety eight
Speaker 4: on tesst Yes? And then click and the light turns on.
Speaker 4: And there's fucking Sid sitting in his chair waiting for
Speaker 4: Frank to come home, waiting for him to come home. Oh,
Speaker 4: do you want letter graded to a ninety eight?
Speaker 8: Is?
Speaker 4: Do you know today?
Speaker 6: Plus?
Speaker 4: Dad? Is it one hundred?
Speaker 7: No?
Speaker 4: And what I want you to do right now is
Speaker 4: I don't want you to go outside. You walk back
Speaker 4: to that school and you walk back to that teacher
Speaker 4: and you tell him I'm gonna take this test again, yes,
Speaker 4: until I get a hundred yes that it's it's not
Speaker 4: five point thirty. Then there's nobody. I don't care. You
Speaker 4: shut up now, you get out there. You come back
Speaker 4: to the school and you don't come back here until
Speaker 4: you get a hundred? Do you understand me, Frank, Yes, sir.
Speaker 6: Shut up, listen, listen. I don't know if you should
Speaker 6: know this, but that works every time I walk around
Speaker 6: in my head.
Speaker 8: Just shut up.
Speaker 6: It's just the funniest ship. Oh my god, it's so great.
Speaker 6: All right, tweaked it and then said, let's do it. Okay,
Speaker 6: Remember every.
Speaker 4: Every terrible.
Speaker 6: I heard, guys are tweaking the script.
Speaker 4: Dude, it's a what.
Speaker 6: Well terry, you know, we talked it over and we
Speaker 6: did some tweaking.
Speaker 4: What what what do you mean tweaking? Dude? I don't
Speaker 4: tweak anything. What like I'm tweaking right now? Brother, I'm healthy.
Speaker 6: What there's always that's always like, you know, his thing?
Speaker 6: Like you know, everyone else in the room wanted to
Speaker 6: make Booker champion. Everyone in the room was okay with it.
Speaker 6: Let's do it, they all said, According to Russo, could
Speaker 6: they have had reservations and been afraid to speak up?
Speaker 4: Maybe?
Speaker 6: And that's cool to this day, I take full responsibility
Speaker 6: for that decision, and we'd do it again tomorrow.
Speaker 11: Bro.
Speaker 6: Where did we go from there? Who knew we weren't
Speaker 6: going to figure that out tonight. Actually, he never liked
Speaker 6: that question, well, where is this going? He did not
Speaker 6: like that because he did not think that way, and
Speaker 6: that is why there was always a ceiling on what
Speaker 6: he could achieve in wrestling. We weren't going to figure
Speaker 6: out tonight, but I had enough confidence in my writing
Speaker 6: ability to know that we would have taken it where
Speaker 6: it needed to go. All you have to do is
Speaker 6: listen to the fans. So let's book tank Abbot to
Speaker 6: win the belt. See if it works, you go with it.
Speaker 4: If it's so, you listen to the fans. So the
Speaker 4: fans wanted tank Abbot.
Speaker 6: That's what he's saying. Yes, he's saying, the fans want
Speaker 6: what I want, And if the fans don't want what
Speaker 6: I want, then I'll I'll change and pretend that they
Speaker 6: want something different than what they wanted before. Not they
Speaker 6: wanted something different than me all along. Right, Okay, so
Speaker 6: now he's gonna be oh, sleep with the one.
Speaker 4: Okay.
Speaker 6: Bill starts the conversation by saying, Vince, is it true
Speaker 6: that you're gonna put the WCW world title on tank Abbot? Vince,
Speaker 6: you can't do that. So he's got all this context
Speaker 6: about okay, the sabotage. Okay, Somewhere in this mess a
Speaker 6: meeting was set up by Bill Bush. You would also
Speaker 6: be attending between myself, Hulkgan, and Ric Flair to discuss
Speaker 6: where we plan to go with their characters. Remember, at
Speaker 6: the time, Hogan and Flair were off TV as we
Speaker 6: were strategizing a way to build for a monumental return
Speaker 6: that would position them in the appropriate way at that
Speaker 6: point in their careers. And that plan was already in gear.
Speaker 6: Slowly but surely, we were eliminating the major players from WCW.
Speaker 6: I know what the timesting was on Hiatus. Blah blah blah.
Speaker 6: This is irrelevant talk about a work Are you kidding me?
Speaker 6: Your what if that show isn't scripted? Blah blah blah.
Speaker 6: So the morning of the Big Pow Wow, which was
Speaker 6: the day after we came up with the Tank game plan,
Speaker 6: I got a call from Bill Bush. Bill starts the
Speaker 6: conversation by saying, Vince, is it true that you're going
Speaker 6: to put the WCW world title on Tank Abbot? Vince,
Speaker 6: you can't do that. Okay. So, so it's not bad
Speaker 6: enough that the restlers are bookers, but now we have
Speaker 6: our first accountant turned booker. No, I was smarter than that.
Speaker 6: Bill Bush didn't know Tank Abbot from Bud Abbot. Obviously,
Speaker 6: sometime between Thursday night and his Friday morning phone call,
Speaker 6: somebody had gotten to him. You see how this stuff works, Bro. Now,
Speaker 6: if I'm in Tony Soprano, there's a rat in the ranks,
Speaker 6: and Sylvia and PAULI are doing a strip search looking
Speaker 6: for wires. But in my heart of hearts, I didn't
Speaker 6: believe that. I believe that somebody in that meeting told
Speaker 6: somebody in passing what we planned on doing at that
Speaker 6: Sunday's pay per view. That somebody then probably told one
Speaker 6: of Bill Bush's minions, who in turn couldn't wait to
Speaker 6: tell Billy Bones. Then Bush, who really didn't have a
Speaker 6: clue about wrestling and really didn't care for that matter,
Speaker 6: gets worked into a frenzy by this said minion until
Speaker 6: he's convinced that this one angle, Bro is going to
Speaker 6: bring down not only WCW, but TBS, TNT, CNN, the
Speaker 6: Atlanta Braves, Ted Turner, Jane Fonda, Jane's co stars and
Speaker 6: nine to five, Lily Tomlin and Dolly Parton, and last
Speaker 6: but not least the entire chain of Ted's Montana grills.
Speaker 4: What is he talking about.
Speaker 6: Saying that's instant to take tank abb At the world champion.
Speaker 6: Everything Ted Turner own will go to zero in terms
Speaker 6: of value, Thus the frantic phone quality that his wife
Speaker 6: will go to zero. Basically at that point, I didn't
Speaker 6: even try to explain the angle to Bush. Maybe I
Speaker 6: should have, bro but at the time the whole notion
Speaker 6: was ridiculous. So I told Bill that I'd see him
Speaker 6: later and we talk about it. At that point, I
Speaker 6: hung up the phone, picked it up again and.
Speaker 4: Called my attorney. Do we need to go any further?
Speaker 6: Not on this episode, But that's that's that's where Sid
Speaker 6: is finding himself insinuated, and so is mentioned. By the
Speaker 6: time everything gets reconstituted and reshuffled around, and the plan
Speaker 6: to you know, crown a new WCW champion after Brett
Speaker 6: Hart had to relinquish, goes from tank Abbot beating Sid
Speaker 6: in a battle royal. It goes to, well, let's finally
Speaker 6: push Chris Benoir because, as you've referenced, Benoit and his
Speaker 6: compadres and what would soon be the radic Coals were
Speaker 6: making it very clear that the ouster of Vince Russo
Speaker 6: and the replacement of him with Kevin Sullivan was not
Speaker 6: a tenable situation for them, and so in a last
Speaker 6: ditch attempt essentially to prevent an exodus of this talent,
Speaker 6: which you know, by the way, anyone who acts like
Speaker 6: WCW didn't really know how valuable these guys were, has
Speaker 6: to look at the fact that they fucking made ben
Speaker 6: Wall the world champion without any logical reason because they
Speaker 6: were that desperate right to prevent it, makes ben Wa
Speaker 6: the champion in an apparent olive branch to get ben
Speaker 6: Wata stick around, and so on January sixteenth, two thousand,
Speaker 6: in Cincinnati, Ohio, Chris Benoit applies to Crippler cross face
Speaker 6: after a match, not unlike the Fall Brown ninety nine
Speaker 6: match we talked about last time. In the process, Sid's
Speaker 6: foot is under the bottom rope, but the referee does
Speaker 6: not see that foot and registers the tap out from Sid,
Speaker 6: who apparently is just lost clean to Chris ben Water
Speaker 6: a crown, a new WCW World champion. And here is
Speaker 6: that we'll about to find out.
Speaker 4: I'm sure he agreed with that. I'm sure he totally
Speaker 4: agreed with that.
Speaker 6: Here is Sid in a shoot interview talking about how
Speaker 6: this all came together.
Speaker 18: I didn't even know what until the day before the
Speaker 18: day of the match to Terry Taylor was an agent.
Speaker 18: Time told me that in the gym, and I was
Speaker 18: really upset for the first app set. But I was,
Speaker 18: you know, confused and a little pissed off thinking now,
Speaker 18: two things. One we know this rumor about the assigned
Speaker 18: petition trying to you know, start whatever. That just doesn't
Speaker 18: go in this business. The other two is, no, Chris
Speaker 18: is a help, hard worker, but he's never going to
Speaker 18: be a big money draw and so fun to take
Speaker 18: the belt off me and I have say, put it
Speaker 18: on someone better.
Speaker 13: I thought that was a mistake. Yeah, and you're staying
Speaker 13: and he's leaving right, Yeah, And I'm there.
Speaker 18: You know, I'm doing everything the company's assle I'm not
Speaker 18: trying to start my own union for my own petition
Speaker 18: of people that you know, I only want this guy
Speaker 18: to work here because he only does good things for us.
Speaker 18: Of the whole thing was they it was him, Ben law, Malinko,
Speaker 18: Perry Satter, and Shane Douglas. I might have been a
Speaker 18: ble man as he was all these smaller guys that
Speaker 18: are never going to beak the potential of the big guy.
Speaker 18: They wanted that spot and through russo they were going
Speaker 18: to get because you and that was his that was
Speaker 18: his link in trying to.
Speaker 13: Keep his job. Yeah, he had that you know that,
Speaker 13: no uh following, but it didn't work out.
Speaker 6: So instead, in ben Wan Guerrero's case, at least they
Speaker 6: just went to WWF and became those guys, right right, Fine,
Speaker 6: So that's that's all you need to know about Sid's
Speaker 6: mentality about the whole thing. It's I first, size first,
Speaker 6: and but it goes down the way it does. And
Speaker 6: you have to give him credit for well doing as
Speaker 6: close to a clean job as I think you could
Speaker 6: expect to get out of the man at the time. Sure,
Speaker 6: Kevin Sullivan was basically booking at the time, which is
Speaker 6: the problem. And he reflected in an interview with Hannibal
Speaker 6: one time about what it was like in this circumstance
Speaker 6: and others to work with Sid.
Speaker 11: I had a wonderful relationship with Sid Vicious. If you
Speaker 11: told Sid straight up what was going to happen, he
Speaker 11: would go along with it as long as you'd been
Speaker 11: bullshit him. I mean, he put ben water over for
Speaker 11: me in the middle of the ring with the cross face,
Speaker 11: and he didn't want to do it.
Speaker 4: He did not want to do it.
Speaker 11: I mean I was in the room. I went to
Speaker 11: the room with him and me by myself with him,
Speaker 11: and we talked, and he had every reason in the
Speaker 11: world to tell me why he didn't want to do it.
Speaker 11: I said, well, it's this kid's time, and he said,
Speaker 11: I'll do it. And he could have went to somebody
Speaker 11: else and some of his haifaction, not just Eric, he
Speaker 11: could have went and maybe would have been overturned. But
Speaker 11: he was to me easy to work with.
Speaker 6: I'd love to know who he's referencing this. That Sid
Speaker 6: could have gone to his other faction. I'm not sure
Speaker 6: that was a reference, right, But yeah, So as far
Speaker 6: as Kevin was concerned, he took a little bit of convincing,
Speaker 6: but Sid agrees to uh to do it.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 6: I think when push came to shove at this point
Speaker 6: in his career, Sid, while he was going to be
Speaker 6: a pain in the ass, would not walk out over
Speaker 6: things anymore because that was that money was too good.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Oh for sure, I can't. I mean, you wouldn't
Speaker 4: want to walk out of that fucking contract.
Speaker 6: But he did get a finish where there's foots under
Speaker 6: the rope for Christ's sake. So right, let's not pretend
Speaker 6: it was clean in the middle like you said it was.
Speaker 6: It was so far away from the middle that Sid's
Speaker 6: foot could in fact reach the rope. So that's what happens.
Speaker 6: It sold out. We turned the page to the next night,
Speaker 6: January seventeenth, two thousand, nitrosen Columbus, and the first thing
Speaker 6: they tell us on the broadcast is that Chris Benoa,
Speaker 6: who just won the world title last night on pay
Speaker 6: per view, has in fact been stripped boss of that championship.
Speaker 6: And he's been stripped because Sid Vicious's foot was under
Speaker 6: the rope at the time of the submission. And so
Speaker 6: the I guess the championship committee reviewed that fact and
Speaker 6: made the title change null and void. We are never
Speaker 6: to see Chris Benoa or Eddie Gerro or Malinko or
Speaker 6: Perry Saturn in WCW ever again, wow, and we have
Speaker 6: to plug the hole. So the next week on Nitro,
Speaker 6: the January twenty fourth, two thousand, Nitro from La Sid
Speaker 6: first has to climb a huge mountain to qualify for
Speaker 6: a world title shot.
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Speaker 6: I'll give you three guesses of who he has to
Speaker 6: defeat in a handicap match to get the right to
Speaker 6: face Kevin Nash for the belt and the main event
Speaker 6: of this nitro.
Speaker 4: Lash.
Speaker 6: LaRue No, I think it's something that will really draw
Speaker 6: ratings in two thousand.
Speaker 4: Ah, David Arquette, no, oh fuck it.
Speaker 6: The Harris Twins, huh. They come up with a thing
Speaker 6: where Sid has to beat Ron and Don Harris and
Speaker 6: a handicap match first before beating Kevin Nash and the
Speaker 6: main event.
Speaker 4: To become I hate the Harris Twins.
Speaker 6: Oh my god.
Speaker 4: I never understood why, just why why? You know, when
Speaker 4: they were the Blues, that's.
Speaker 6: When you know Jared's got some stroke when they're in
Speaker 6: and it's not to anyone's benefit. So yeah, the week
Speaker 6: after they take the belt off, or at least announced
Speaker 6: ben one ever really won the belt. The very next week,
Speaker 6: this is the plan. In La No Less Los Angeles,
Speaker 6: Sid is going to beat the Harris Brothers and then
Speaker 6: he's going to face Nash and the main event for
Speaker 6: the vacant title. And indeed that's how it plays out.
Speaker 6: And all of a sudden, despite all this craziness and
Speaker 6: Sid being just a complete you know NPC in this
Speaker 6: whole thing, this is what happens Texas.
Speaker 3: See if the hold is legally not a kill called
Speaker 3: and a lot.
Speaker 21: Of common it's on Kevin Naxas states now and he
Speaker 21: may be account away for winning the world title.
Speaker 16: Oh no, no, he's alive, guys, very much so, Bob
Speaker 16: Sama breaking the corner.
Speaker 10: It was a great mode by Sid to back up
Speaker 10: into the corner, but he had no idea that Charles
Speaker 10: Robinson was there and the referees down.
Speaker 3: And out and now Ship kicks us one in the
Speaker 3: high deal with thought her good but the big book.
Speaker 3: But coming on the rock, Sid, yeah, ky legs up
Speaker 3: doing the right thing.
Speaker 4: Doesn't matter.
Speaker 3: There's nothing good come yea, but he should keeps the
Speaker 3: pressure on. You're right, hold on up peter him like
Speaker 3: a drama answer.
Speaker 4: But he's our commission, guys, Nash stuffy.
Speaker 3: Wrestler line for the world title.
Speaker 6: It's gonna call Terry Funk Wyatt.
Speaker 3: Earth Sibbcious, he's never what better has home? Here comes
Speaker 3: the US tamp jip Jack.
Speaker 2: Remember the power bobbier has been out loud.
Speaker 3: And Jack gets himmocked.
Speaker 4: Here he does this name that too?
Speaker 3: Gets what? Sid goes down? What's he doing here? Happened
Speaker 3: to say? I think he may be playing possum. Guys,
Speaker 3: you maybe he just lord him. I understand, I understand
Speaker 3: what's going on. You see the guitar. Sid's making the
Speaker 3: referee believe he got hit with the guitar.
Speaker 8: What up?
Speaker 6: What breathing?
Speaker 4: And he's he's gonna chip the lord.
Speaker 3: He's gonna cover Ken.
Speaker 15: Said, he are smarter than he has He are smarter.
Speaker 15: Do you see that you are smarted?
Speaker 4: I heard you three guys.
Speaker 6: I got the original audio here.
Speaker 4: That's good, said Vicious.
Speaker 10: That's the celebration goes on elkuls real.
Speaker 3: License the dread of every rustling w W.
Speaker 10: Here's the dull felt in the lane with all the power,
Speaker 10: with all the brown used his brain.
Speaker 14: Mon celebration.
Speaker 10: Happen.
Speaker 19: What he's done?
Speaker 8: He didn't know?
Speaker 6: That is the question.
Speaker 4: That is the question.
Speaker 6: So there he is that that's very very raw. After
Speaker 6: final four, you got this situation where the world titles
Speaker 6: in flux and no one knows what the hell is
Speaker 6: going on, and Sid's just the guy that makes sense
Speaker 6: to go with at that.
Speaker 4: Moment in time. Man, that seems to be way in
Speaker 4: the world.
Speaker 6: If you're wondering what kind of a smashing rating success was,
Speaker 6: because no matter what you can say about Sid, he
Speaker 6: was a draw six point eight for Raw, three point
Speaker 6: one for Nitro, head to head six point seven to
Speaker 6: two point six. Okay, in the head ten hours. Great stuff. Now,
Speaker 6: if you think this is the beginning of a long
Speaker 6: and prosperous rain for cid WW World Heavyweight Champion here
Speaker 6: on January twenty fourth, how about.
Speaker 4: No?
Speaker 6: Now, how about Boston? Instead? He vacates it the next
Speaker 6: night when they tape Thunder. Oh yeah, that makes sense
Speaker 6: in Vegas because they announced that commission Kevin Nash has
Speaker 6: in fact stripped Sid of the championship because Sid pinned
Speaker 6: the wrong Harris brother. Oh come on, in the in
Speaker 6: the earlier mixed tag match handicap match, what are we
Speaker 6: doing here? Are we putting the belt on Sid?
Speaker 2: Or aren't we?
Speaker 7: What I mean?
Speaker 6: How do they know right exactly?
Speaker 4: They're twins?
Speaker 6: So this Arizona, January twenty sixth.
Speaker 4: Did they do a DNA test?
Speaker 6: Well, I'm sure the Twins could vouch for it. They
Speaker 6: probably signed an affidavit.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so I don't know.
Speaker 6: I mean, if we're going to make this company mean something,
Speaker 6: how about Kevin Nash just awards himself the belt back.
Speaker 6: Oh totally, that's how we resolve this and that's what
Speaker 6: he does as commissioner. And then on the same show, Yeah,
Speaker 6: SID faces Kevin Nash in the cage. It's triangle cage
Speaker 6: match with Ron Harris as the third guy. Oh my god,
Speaker 6: I've main event anywhere in the country, ladies and gentlemen.
Speaker 6: You know, we spend all that time or waxing nostalgically
Speaker 6: for what it would have been like to see the
Speaker 6: Shawn Michael's Brodheart SID triple Threat matches in ninety seven
Speaker 6: and how novel that of a concept that was at
Speaker 6: the time. Yeah, but I think if I have to
Speaker 6: take one match with me on a remote island that
Speaker 6: I have to watch every day for the rest of
Speaker 6: my life, it's going to be.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I listen. I want to watch anything with
Speaker 4: the Harris Twins.
Speaker 6: Kevin Nash versus Sid Vicious versus Ron Harris in a
Speaker 6: triangle steel cage match. That was the match they made.
Speaker 4: Yeah, what what, it's fine, it's a main event.
Speaker 6: And it's tough. It's tough, and in this match, despite
Speaker 6: all the fucking pointless shenanigans we just talked about on
Speaker 6: the Nitro the night before, Sid wins back the belt
Speaker 6: by submitting Kevin Nash with the crossface, the same move
Speaker 6: Benoi used to submit him.
Speaker 4: Jesus Christ.
Speaker 6: I mean, I can't imagine the shenanigans that must have
Speaker 6: happened to justify this being what you put out there,
Speaker 6: just the agenda's being served. It's just it's impenetrable to me.
Speaker 6: I cannot understand this. But Sid is the champion again
Speaker 6: after not being the champion for a couple hours, and
Speaker 6: of course this rain is as a prosperous one. It begins,
Speaker 6: I guess you could say again on January twenty fifth,
Speaker 6: two thousand, when this thunder airs, and it lasts all
Speaker 6: the way up until we'll talk about what it looks
Speaker 6: like to get to that point. They go to Binghamton
Speaker 6: on February first, where he beats Mike Rotunda. Of course
Speaker 6: a submission match. I mean, that's a main event right there. Unbelievable.
Speaker 6: In two thousand block. They go to Birmingham, Binghamton, excuse me,
Speaker 6: in New York on February first, he beats Rick Steiner.
Speaker 6: They go to Amherst, mass On February second, where he
Speaker 6: beats Al Green in a world title Yes, Sid Vicious
Speaker 6: versus Al Green, And that's really throwing music fans off,
Speaker 6: isn't it.
Speaker 4: Charleston. Can you imagine?
Speaker 6: Oh my god, oh my god, it's a battle for
Speaker 6: the Grammys, Charleston. February third, he beats Jeff Jarrett for
Speaker 6: the title, whichita. He beats Jarrett for the title. Not
Speaker 6: a big fan of Jeff Jarrett. Sid when he's talks
Speaker 6: about who for some reason, I go's some problem with
Speaker 6: the guy Nitro. February seventh, Tulsa, he beats Scott Hall
Speaker 6: and one on one match for the title. That's interesting.
Speaker 6: Oklahoma City Febuery eighth, Don Harris and Ron Harris beat
Speaker 6: Said Visius and Terry Funk. So Sid getting a chance
Speaker 6: to team with Funk before obliterating him, as were about
Speaker 6: to talk about on that pay per view. They go
Speaker 6: to Germany where he beats Jeff Jarrett. He beats Jarrett
Speaker 6: again in Oberhausen. In Leipzig, yes, he beats Jeff Jarrett.
Speaker 6: They come back for Nitro at Nassau Colisseum on February fourteenth,
Speaker 6: two thousand, where Jarrett beats Sid. I think it was Yeah,
Speaker 6: it wasn't for the world title, it was for the
Speaker 6: US title, for god knows what reason They're putting the
Speaker 6: US champ over the world champ. They go to super Brawl,
Speaker 6: the pay per view in February and that's where he
Speaker 6: beats Jarrett and Hall in a three way no DQ
Speaker 6: match to Sid to retain the championship. They go to
Speaker 6: Renown Februy twenty second where he beats Lex Luger who
Speaker 6: was going by the Total Package, not Lex Luger, Boss
Speaker 6: the Total Package for god knows what reason. By d
Speaker 6: Q Winnipeg on February sixteenth. He beats the Total Package
Speaker 6: again for the world title in at World Title Match
Speaker 6: Duluth February twenty seventh, two thousand, he beats the Total
Speaker 6: Package Nitro for every twenty eighth Target Center, Minneapolis, he
Speaker 6: beats if you can believe it, Tank Abbott, Oh God
Speaker 6: for the World title Fargo February well in a world
Speaker 6: title match. Oh he was already the champ. Fargo, North, Dkota.
Speaker 6: For Every twenty ninth, Jeff Jarrett and Ron and Don
Speaker 6: Harris beat Sid Booker T and Billy Kidman. I mean,
Speaker 6: what are they doing?
Speaker 4: Oh my god.
Speaker 6: Charlotte February thirty. This is, by the way, this is
Speaker 6: that disastrous Kevin Sullivan booking reign. I mean it starts
Speaker 6: that night where he puts Ben Wall over Sid. But
Speaker 6: my god, this is the worst. I stand by this
Speaker 6: to this day. As bad as Nash's stuff was, as
Speaker 6: bad as Russo's stuff was, as bad as some as
Speaker 6: Eric's stuff was, Jim hurd stuff, don't care. Nothing is
Speaker 6: as bad as January to March of two thousand, when
Speaker 6: they put the book back in Kevin Sullivan's hand and
Speaker 6: it just was unwatchable, unwatchable on every single front. They
Speaker 6: were going nowhere fast Charlotte. For March fifth, Sid beats Flair.
Speaker 6: Actually it seems like they're going nowhere slow, nowhere. It's
Speaker 6: perfectly the worse. It's exactly right nowhere slow Nitro. March six,
Speaker 6: two thousand, Jarrett and the Wall Jerry Tweet beat Sid
Speaker 6: and Vampiro. March thirteenth, Sid and Vampiro beat Big Ron
Speaker 6: and Heavy D uncensored two thousand to pay per view
Speaker 6: from American Airlines Arena. On March their nineteenth, two thousand
Speaker 6: sees Sid beat Jeff Jarrett for the championship, and then
Speaker 6: Monday Nightro March twentieth, two thousand, Gainsville, Florida, Hogan returns
Speaker 6: and teams with Sid Vicious to defeat Jeff Giarrett and
Speaker 6: Scott Steiner. And this is weird because this is how
Speaker 6: it not returns, but Hogan and Sid link up and
Speaker 6: Hogan's in the Red and Yellow again. He did a
Speaker 6: strap match against Ric Flair and the Red and Yellow
Speaker 6: and uncensored the pay per view and then he teams
Speaker 6: and it's very clear that they're building yet another Hulk
Speaker 6: Hogan Sid program. They're going to take us back to
Speaker 6: nineteen ninety two again. And they do an angle that
Speaker 6: actually it went nowhere, but it was like a pre
Speaker 6: inserted in a nitro and it wasn't really played up
Speaker 6: that big, but it was pretty good. Where Sid is
Speaker 6: standing at the podium as the world champion and he's
Speaker 6: supposed to be, you know, answering questions and holding court.
Speaker 6: But Hogan walks in and starts kind of talking over
Speaker 6: Sid and kind of taking all the questions over say,
Speaker 6: and he's yapping away and Stid just Sid is just
Speaker 6: standing there smiling like it doesn't bother him. But at
Speaker 6: the same time they're getting across the idea that he's
Speaker 6: he's boiling inside. He's gonna kill Hold.
Speaker 4: That's I like that.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's pretty good. Of course, Hogan was this kind
Speaker 6: of guy, as Brian Elvererz points out on Death the WCW.
Speaker 6: Of course this was method acting at its finest, since
Speaker 6: Hogan really was the sort of guy who stole the
Speaker 6: spotlight from everyone else and Sid had to pretend that
Speaker 6: he was cool with it. The funniest part of all this,
Speaker 6: by the way, was that Hogan was supposed to be
Speaker 6: the babyface. Finally, at the end of the night, Sid
Speaker 6: snapped all was not completely well. However, the match he
Speaker 6: snapped in saw him team with Hogan to take on
Speaker 6: Jeff Jarrett and Scott Steiner. He went crazy, choke slammed Hogan,
Speaker 6: then pinned him. Yes, he pinned his own partner. He
Speaker 6: pinned his own partner. Yeah, do you remember last time
Speaker 6: we were with you, and we were talking about that
Speaker 6: bachel of the Beach match with Sid and Savage versus
Speaker 6: Nash and Sting. Yeah, and I was saying, how if
Speaker 6: Nash or Savage pinned pardon me, if Savage or Sid
Speaker 6: pin Nash, they would become champion. Yes, a listener pointed out,
Speaker 6: which I'd forgotten about. By the way, if Sting pinned
Speaker 6: Savage or Sid, he would be the champion. Sting Kevin
Speaker 6: Nash's own partner. Nash was incentivized to stop his own
Speaker 6: partner from winning the match on behalf of his team
Speaker 6: because then.
Speaker 4: He seems nor it's good booking to me. It's interesting,
Speaker 4: it's very it's you know, it's unexpected.
Speaker 6: That's for sure. He pinned his own partner. The referee
Speaker 6: even counted. Alvarez wrote, nobody in w CW bothered to
Speaker 6: explain how this was possible, but it didn't matter because
Speaker 6: fans had long since given up on trying to find
Speaker 6: any logic in WCW storylines.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's that's that's the real story.
Speaker 6: I think the it's true, and we've gone this far
Speaker 6: and it's time to talk about it because this is
Speaker 6: this is the time when they're actually going to share
Speaker 6: the screen together for the first time, not just being
Speaker 6: the same company, but share this screen together. There's an
Speaker 6: elephant in the room. In fact, who was the referee
Speaker 6: when Chris Benoi wrestled Sid at Sold Out two thousand Boss?
Speaker 8: Who it was?
Speaker 6: Arn Anderson?
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 6: So clearly some kind of detent was reached between Sid
Speaker 6: and arn Anderson if they're not only willing to work
Speaker 6: together in the same company, but in fact shares the
Speaker 6: screen together in certain segments and be involved in concentric storylines.
Speaker 6: So here it is, after all these years, and after
Speaker 6: the brutal situation in that hotel in England in nineteen
Speaker 6: ninety three, Sid and arn Anderson have found a way
Speaker 6: to work together. Here is Sid describing in a shoot
Speaker 6: interview how it went down.
Speaker 22: Oh, after the deal, when I got brought back to
Speaker 22: WW you know, you know, I was in a room.
Speaker 22: They brought him in and said, okay, Arn you know
Speaker 22: Sid's back, and we said, if you guys have I
Speaker 22: think it said anythings saying.
Speaker 13: I just said, like I said a thousand times, you
Speaker 13: know I was at the car.
Speaker 22: I'm sorry that happened, especially with you, because no Horn
Speaker 22: had always stuck his hand out to help me, help
Speaker 22: me with my interviews when it's a tough thing to
Speaker 22: doing the interviews and you don't know how to do me.
Speaker 22: He showed me how to start off. He got me
Speaker 22: rolling on it, and it just again I hated it.
Speaker 22: It had been harmed that that happened with.
Speaker 6: Indeed, there was a segment where Wow Flair, Anderson and
Speaker 6: Charles Robinson run in the ring and Sid came out
Speaker 6: for a promo right now forez Writ's and death of
Speaker 6: wcw RN, who had never been approached when the decision
Speaker 6: was made to bring Sid back, immediately walked to the
Speaker 6: corner and just stood there as if he wanted nothing
Speaker 6: to do with anything that was going on. When the
Speaker 6: interview was over and they were about to go to commercial,
Speaker 6: Sid turned walked over to Arn and shook his hand. Okay,
Speaker 6: that's that's booked to go down that way, or if
Speaker 6: somehow Arn just made up his mind on the spot
Speaker 6: how he was going to react to Sid's presence. As
Speaker 6: we mentioned, Arn has never talked about it, and I've
Speaker 6: put the call out to the Solar System to find
Speaker 6: an instance of him talking about it, and I can't
Speaker 6: find it. Don't forget that he sued Sid over this
Speaker 6: and it kind of dissipated in court, and you know,
Speaker 6: he kind of came up on the short end of
Speaker 6: this story. And there's versions of it where he's always
Speaker 6: staring the pot and starting shit. We heard Eric Bischoff
Speaker 6: talk about that. So maybe it's not, you know, the
Speaker 6: one sided circumstance that we would think. And if Arn
Speaker 6: opened his mouth, he might run the risk of contradicting
Speaker 6: himself or bringing up something that puts him at fault
Speaker 6: in some way. I don't know. We're left to speculate
Speaker 6: because he's never addressed that, he's never talked about it.
Speaker 6: But one thing we can infer from is that they
Speaker 6: got over it, these two because upon the passing of
Speaker 6: Sid just earlier this summer, Arn Anderson had this to
Speaker 6: say in his podcast.
Speaker 23: Obviously were the resting world lost to Giant? He was
Speaker 23: definitely a monster, left the mark on this business that
Speaker 23: people will remember for decades to come. Had the best
Speaker 23: look I would have. I would go this far as
Speaker 23: to say he had probably had the best look of
Speaker 23: anybody in the history of the business. Just see him
Speaker 23: walking in the room. It's just a monster. And uh,
Speaker 23: you know, our thoughts and prayers for his family certainly
Speaker 23: go out and very very sad to hear what a
Speaker 23: huge loss we woke up with yesterday morning.
Speaker 8: It was.
Speaker 23: Who it's just, it's just it's never a shock.
Speaker 7: But it is a shock.
Speaker 23: In our business, we beat our bodies up. Our bodies
Speaker 23: are actually in dog years, aged a lot, you know.
Speaker 23: But I had no previous knowledge of any illness or
Speaker 23: anything with said, so it was a shock. And like
Speaker 23: I said, our thoughts and prayers go out to his family,
Speaker 23: to his fans equally as much, and let's just give
Speaker 23: them some thoughts and prayers that they're going to be
Speaker 23: needing going forward.
Speaker 6: So they were able to get on the same page,
Speaker 6: it sounds like, all right, and put the past in
Speaker 6: the past, and let bygones beak up bygones. And that's great,
Speaker 6: yea is it? It's great that tubby step he was
Speaker 6: able to find a way to get these guys in
Speaker 6: a room and figure it all out after all these
Speaker 6: years and leave it there, right, boss, Just leave it,
Speaker 6: I imagine, not you know, nothing more needs to be said.
Speaker 6: The past is the past. We're moving forward on new terms.
Speaker 6: No need to poke the hornet's nest, no need to
Speaker 6: dredge up old feelings about this. No need to, oh,
Speaker 6: I don't know, take a storyline out of it. Have
Speaker 6: Eric Bischoff approached Sid on the first nitro of the
Speaker 6: infamous Russo Bischoff regime era at the Pepsi Center in
Speaker 6: Denver on April tenth, two thousand, where the idea was,
Speaker 6: if you remember, Russo and Bischoff declare, all belts are
Speaker 6: stripped on this night, all belts are stripped, and we're
Speaker 6: gonna have a series of matches and tournaments to determine
Speaker 6: new champions because this is a fresh start for WCW.
Speaker 6: Who's the WCW World Champion at that point, Boss, I
Speaker 6: ask you, what's the year. Part of the year, it
Speaker 6: would be Sid. Oh, Sid's champions champion. This is April
Speaker 6: and Sid is still the world champion from the priory.
Speaker 4: They're taking away the title.
Speaker 6: They're taking away the title, and they're having Eric Bischoff
Speaker 6: himself approach Sid to do it. As Sid comes out
Speaker 6: with several other of the guys they had in mind
Speaker 6: for this Millionaire's Club faction to combat the new blood
Speaker 6: guys like you know, Page or Luger or Sting who'd
Speaker 6: been around a long time and were established moneymakers. And
Speaker 6: here come Sid with the world title and Eric Bischoff
Speaker 6: approaches him and definitely doesn't bring up the past, taking.
Speaker 4: Those This is unbelievable, just a new beginning. We have
Speaker 4: no champions.
Speaker 15: Well, I said, there's only one one bot left and you.
Speaker 13: Know who's word.
Speaker 16: He's telling Sid Bishes to give up the world heavyweight title.
Speaker 3: Unbelievable, what beshop?
Speaker 14: You want this out? We just starting lass over there
Speaker 14: won't take that.
Speaker 3: Oh you knew what was gonna happen.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I knew what absolutely you knew.
Speaker 3: That's okay.
Speaker 10: You knew that Sid Vicious would look at Bijof said okay,
Speaker 10: and big soap there's leaving the ring.
Speaker 3: Has everyone completely flipped. Eric Bishop, it looks.
Speaker 10: Like he might get sides his face, Tony, he's slipped
Speaker 10: the care He's gonna confront come Millennia man and just
Speaker 10: take the world anyway championship belt.
Speaker 14: Come Sid, you know what do you.
Speaker 15: Want to You gonna lay me out?
Speaker 6: Said here we go?
Speaker 3: Come on, said you know you could do it.
Speaker 20: Now, I know you could do it, But here's what
Speaker 20: will happen. I'll heal and when I get done healing.
Speaker 20: I'll fit healing now knowing that you won't employed.
Speaker 15: So here's the deal.
Speaker 10: Need to lay me out, take your chances, or hand
Speaker 10: over the belt, said che says man.
Speaker 15: What's he gonna do?
Speaker 3: What can he do?
Speaker 8: Now?
Speaker 14: I've been beat up before. It won't be the last time.
Speaker 4: What on the level?
Speaker 3: Jeff the belt to Bischoff, cause matter?
Speaker 14: He can't find your scissors?
Speaker 4: Oh come on, no one cares.
Speaker 6: So he says it again.
Speaker 3: He said, what's the matter?
Speaker 14: Said, can't find your scissors?
Speaker 3: Come on, shiit, give the boss the belt.
Speaker 14: Come on, man, don't let me push the button. Said,
Speaker 14: I wouldn't want to see you go crazy.
Speaker 3: Said I don't want to see him ruin your career.
Speaker 3: Said he's pushing it.
Speaker 14: A long lonely life in West Smithphis.
Speaker 15: Said see you on the sixth seed.
Speaker 16: Three sandpee back when the real world heavyweight champion where
Speaker 16: on the belt.
Speaker 6: He handed over the belt.
Speaker 4: He actually true it over to pick show.
Speaker 3: Look, said owners, you want to tear Eric kushak apart. Hey,
Speaker 3: Eric's the boss.
Speaker 4: You can't hit the boss.
Speaker 6: He just handed the belt over.
Speaker 4: Of course you did.
Speaker 6: I mean that's fine, right, you can come back from that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, look, you gotta just you can just
Speaker 4: just you gotta do what the boss says.
Speaker 6: Steve Austin handed over the belt in this prime, of course,
Speaker 6: hul Cogan handed over the belt. It was fine, It
Speaker 6: was all. You know, he's over enough that he can
Speaker 6: just let a guy browbeat him into giving over the belt.
Speaker 6: What's about her? Sid can't find your scissors?
Speaker 4: Oh that's just not okay.
Speaker 6: Why is it not okay?
Speaker 4: Because I mean there's so much about that that you know,
Speaker 4: he was fucking fired. I mean, it's not okay.
Speaker 6: Arnt Anderson.
Speaker 4: I think he's too stupid to not understand that it's
Speaker 4: not okay.
Speaker 6: You know what, Sid, Yeah, aren't in the back, no
Speaker 6: selling it, pretending it doesn't bother him.
Speaker 4: Yeah, of course, why would it bother him?
Speaker 6: Well, later in that show, they begin the tournament to
Speaker 6: determine the next ww champion, and in the semifinal round,
Speaker 6: Sting beats Sid Vicious by count out in a six
Speaker 6: minute and seventeen second matchup. On the April eleventh, the
Speaker 6: next night, two thousand tapings in Colorado's brings Stevie Ray
Speaker 6: Big T, that is to say, Booker T and Cash
Speaker 6: Kid Cash defeat Sid vicious by his qualification in a
Speaker 6: three on one handicap match, and for a while, that's
Speaker 6: the last we hear from Sid. Sid disappears for months
Speaker 6: on end, apparently dealing with an injury during this entire
Speaker 6: Russeau Bischoff regime. I mean that's it. Sid hands the
Speaker 6: belt over Russell Sting for six minutes and then disappears,
Speaker 6: basically from television. It's it's wild, but he he's he's
Speaker 6: he's hurt. Okay, he's got something he's got to deal with.
Speaker 6: We don't see him again until Russo's gone. Okay, this
Speaker 6: guy that he's a unbelievable I thinks his sabotage in
Speaker 6: the company. Russo's gone in October of two thousand and
Speaker 6: on the November twenty seventh, two thousand, Nitro out in
Speaker 6: a black turtleneck after the world champion at the time,
Speaker 6: Scott Steiner, just defeated Stevie Ray of all people, in
Speaker 6: a retirement match on Nitro. Sid returns to the company
Speaker 6: because star cast or star Kad, I should say, I'm
Speaker 6: gonna get those wrong forever Stark two thousand, do you
Speaker 6: remember our main event from the star Kid memorial to her?
Speaker 8: I do.
Speaker 4: It was Sid and Scott Stein.
Speaker 6: Indeed, so Sid is back in the dying days at WCW,
Speaker 6: the true doldrums, where there was a lot of intrigue
Speaker 6: going around about new ownership, but everything felt lame duck.
Speaker 6: Everything they did felt like, Okay, this is just a
Speaker 6: placeholder until we decide who the new bosses are and
Speaker 6: launch a new WCW. Until then, we're gonna watch people
Speaker 6: play out different various strings, but none of it really counts.
Speaker 6: And that definitely was the feeling I got when Sid
Speaker 6: came back. And when it comes back in a black turtleneck,
Speaker 6: you know what that means. He hasn't had as much
Speaker 6: gym time as he would have liked, exactly. And this
Speaker 6: begins the air of him wrestling in jeans and wrestling
Speaker 6: in Gene Schortz, which is absolutely alarming and completely unacceptable.
Speaker 6: When he starts wearing jeorts, completely unacceptable.
Speaker 4: Oh god, yeah, no, no, no, no, no, no, I
Speaker 4: do remember I've seen images of that look. I didn't
Speaker 4: know it when he snaps his leg. I've seen images
Speaker 4: of that look and it's not okay.
Speaker 6: It just makes it look so low rent. I don't
Speaker 6: care how self conscious he was about the definition and
Speaker 6: his legs back then. This was just the wrong move,
Speaker 6: made him look just like he was barely trying. But
Speaker 6: he's back, and yes, they play up a bit that
Speaker 6: he had just relinquished the championship the last time we
Speaker 6: had seen him, and now deserved an honest chance to
Speaker 6: get it back, of course, with no mention of the
Speaker 6: fact that he failed to win the tournament that he
Speaker 6: was in to get that belt back. But he just
Speaker 6: comes back claiming like he has a rightful claim to it.
Speaker 6: He says, because Steiner has been walking around with a
Speaker 6: world championship all this time, calling himself champion, even though
Speaker 6: Sid never lost it in the ring. He says on
Speaker 6: Niro one time that Scott Steiner has been walking around
Speaker 6: with a fictitious name tremendous. Sid was asked in to
Speaker 6: shoot interview about working with Scott Steiner. He says, yeah, man,
Speaker 6: he was so I don't know what his problem was.
Speaker 6: He was just so I don't know, he just couldn't
Speaker 6: calm down. He was just you know, cussing everybody, screaming
Speaker 6: at everybody, the referees, you know, the people in the back.
Speaker 6: I don't know, I don't know if it was his
Speaker 6: first really solo star deal. You know, I don't know
Speaker 6: if he would like They take a while during the
Speaker 6: interview about sting, and then halfway through it, he's calling
Speaker 6: out Hogan. You know, It's like, what's going on here?
Speaker 6: Everybody looking at each other, and I don't know what
Speaker 6: his problem is and the w to be He says
Speaker 6: at the time he'd just come back to Steiner why
Speaker 6: he didn't last there, But I knew he wasn't gonna
Speaker 6: last there either, because you're not going to talk to
Speaker 6: people like that there for very long. When you got
Speaker 6: the ring with him, He's asked did he calm down
Speaker 6: or was he tough to deal with? He's just a ratic,
Speaker 6: just nervous. I don't know what. I think the pressure
Speaker 6: was too much for him.
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 6: I'm not saying anyone doesn't know. I'm not saying anything
Speaker 6: anyone doesn't know. I remember in Gainesville, I think it
Speaker 6: was Gainesville when they first gave him his first singles
Speaker 6: match against Rick Flair. This is from eighty nine and
Speaker 6: the Clash match where Scott swears that Rick Flair was
Speaker 6: sandbagging him. He bombed terribly back in the day, and
Speaker 6: he never shook that Sid said about Scott. He never
Speaker 6: shook that, and that's why I still say that Rick
Speaker 6: was the better of the two. But that's his recollection
Speaker 6: of working with Scott Steiner, and the match is definitely
Speaker 6: not that memorable. But Sid versus Scott Steiner was pretty
Speaker 6: much the best that they could do at that time
Speaker 6: in World Championship wrestling. And that is the story of Sid,
Speaker 6: isn't it? I would say yes, another example of Sid
Speaker 6: walking in the front door when there's no viable person
Speaker 6: that you've seen recently being built for the champion or
Speaker 6: for the main event picture in a one time need
Speaker 6: that needs to be filled, and thus there is Sid.
Speaker 6: As mentioned, he starts worrying George for some reason, and
Speaker 6: with that we turn the page. Jesus, but that we
Speaker 6: turned the page. As we conclude this chapter of the
Speaker 6: Sid Tribute, we turned the page to the forced final
Speaker 6: year of Sid vicious career in the National Wrestling Spotlight. Yeah,
Speaker 6: it's two thousand and one and as the master and
Speaker 6: rulers world, it's about to come crumbling down. Boy, and
Speaker 6: take a look, and we close with this boss. It
Speaker 6: is the moment. It is available on YouTube if you
Speaker 6: can bear with me for a second. I'm gonna pull
Speaker 6: it up on my end as well. Yep, this is
Speaker 6: what it's.
Speaker 4: Coming down to.
Speaker 6: So you remember seeing this on YouTube and not hearing
Speaker 6: about it at the time. I, yeah, I.
Speaker 4: Definitely didn't hear about it when it happened, but I
Speaker 4: knew about it. I definitely knew about it a long
Speaker 4: time ago. And I don't yeah, I don't know how I.
Speaker 13: Yeah.
Speaker 4: The only thing I can think of is that you
Speaker 4: told me about this.
Speaker 6: So this is the night after sold out. It's important
Speaker 6: to remember the January two thousand and one sold out.
Speaker 4: We wait, so they fucking showed the replay yes of
Speaker 4: him getting his fucking.
Speaker 6: Yes. And in fact, the fact, if you watch the
Speaker 6: sold out pay per view, you'll see that you didn't
Speaker 6: really tell. You couldn't really tell on the night with
Speaker 6: the live angles that they picked what happened to Sid,
Speaker 6: you could tell something went wrong, but they did not
Speaker 6: happened to cut to the angle that gave the clearest
Speaker 6: view of what happened to Sid's life. Fuck in this
Speaker 6: kind of a four corners match environment that they were
Speaker 6: in with a with a run in. So the next
Speaker 6: time of Nitro we got to do it. We got
Speaker 6: to show the people, don't we No.
Speaker 4: We don't.
Speaker 6: So we start with we don't have to tell anything,
Speaker 6: Tony Chevann, And you have no idea how significant what
Speaker 6: you're saying is about to become an hour saga here
Speaker 6: going forward, but for now, for now, Tony Shavanni and
Speaker 6: Scott Hudson Here a ringside speaking to the fans the
Speaker 6: night after sold Out two thousand and one on Nitro
Speaker 6: about pardon me, it.
Speaker 4: Wasn't look at look at Scott Hudson does not look okay.
Speaker 6: No, no, he knows what he's about to see. And sorry,
Speaker 6: I keep saying sold out. That was the January pay
Speaker 6: per view forever it was sin. This is the year
Speaker 6: they did Sin right in January instead of sold Out.
Speaker 6: So if you can hit play on my one boss
Speaker 6: and you at home, if you want to pull it
Speaker 6: up on YouTube, yes, three two one.
Speaker 21: While we were watching the mystery opponent, come in now,
Speaker 21: said Vicious up on top.
Speaker 4: Look at the difficult Look at the left foot. That
Speaker 4: is so difficult to watch. We've seen it already another
Speaker 4: angle already so many times.
Speaker 21: It's still just so once again isolated.
Speaker 4: Oh my oh the foot.
Speaker 21: Obviously the compound fracture of the gia and the fibula
Speaker 21: last night this morning, underwent two hours of surgery, had
Speaker 21: a forty three inch centimeter steal rod and shorted it
Speaker 21: into the bone.
Speaker 3: He is still in Methodist Hospital in Indianapolis.
Speaker 4: He'll be out the good part of a year A
Speaker 4: long time. We certainly wish said vicious part of a year.
Speaker 3: Oh fuck my life.
Speaker 6: That and the fallout of the tragic end.
Speaker 4: To how can I'm just gonna say, how can you
Speaker 4: come back from that? Ever? How can you say it's
Speaker 4: gonna be a year like it literally snapped in half?
Speaker 4: Here's the thing, boss, what you don't come back from right,
Speaker 4: And we hope for Sid's sake, is we're going to
Speaker 4: get into the next time we're with you on our
Speaker 4: tribute to Sid, that that isn't just too much for
Speaker 4: him to bear.
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