WEBVTT 1 00:00:01.919 --> 00:00:05.559 It's the lapsed fan wrestling podcast with Jack and carn 2 00:00:05.639 --> 00:00:07.639 s e O and JP Sorrow. 3 00:00:09.519 --> 00:00:13.679 He's a lapsed fan and all my years and wrestling. 4 00:00:13.480 --> 00:00:21.480 I never seen anything. 5 00:00:21.000 --> 00:00:23.039 And it's the laps fan man like the one in 6 00:00:23.079 --> 00:00:26.160 the ring. Forget about Sado. He the real king of swing. 7 00:00:26.239 --> 00:00:29.320 When the bell goes in the kick like me throwing 8 00:00:29.440 --> 00:00:32.280 in the corner, but gets rash like stick even Jerry 9 00:00:32.359 --> 00:00:34.719 King gets take off. The crowd nodded in. 10 00:00:34.640 --> 00:00:36.399 His head like its Steve low Brown. 11 00:00:36.399 --> 00:00:39.079 Would you get low down? We go even high up? 12 00:00:39.240 --> 00:00:41.439 Flipp you on your head, But you know cool driver, 13 00:00:42.039 --> 00:00:44.960 you speak more and Dragon spits fire give you more 14 00:00:45.039 --> 00:00:47.840 shock than when he treats higher drop a more truth 15 00:00:47.920 --> 00:00:50.719 than the con of sniper unless you with a coconut 16 00:00:50.880 --> 00:00:54.039 Roddy Pipper Jack a JP. He like j h D 17 00:00:54.280 --> 00:00:57.119 drop the cupcakes and gold the brain Bob means the 18 00:00:57.200 --> 00:00:59.799 best podcast Frost start the close cloud. 19 00:00:59.560 --> 00:01:02.000 If you are a Flassic and polls. 20 00:01:02.200 --> 00:01:04.000 I don't know, Boss. The more I sit and think 21 00:01:04.040 --> 00:01:08.280 about it, I just think it's too funny that at 22 00:01:08.319 --> 00:01:11.760 the end of the wcw VHS Millennium Man release on 23 00:01:11.879 --> 00:01:15.280 SID that he basically found a way to complain about 24 00:01:15.319 --> 00:01:16.599 having to do the video. 25 00:01:16.640 --> 00:01:21.719 Shoot serious, I mean, he sits. 26 00:01:21.560 --> 00:01:25.319 There and he talks about how remarkable a symbol it 27 00:01:25.439 --> 00:01:28.280 is of his dedication to professionalism and being elite that 28 00:01:28.400 --> 00:01:31.959 he drove to a VHS recording that we made very 29 00:01:31.959 --> 00:01:34.040 clear by reading his contract last time on the tribute 30 00:01:34.079 --> 00:01:34.920 show he was paid for. 31 00:01:36.760 --> 00:01:40.840 Right of course. Well you know, hey, the guy's got 32 00:01:41.879 --> 00:01:44.120 you know, it's it's it's a hassle. 33 00:01:44.719 --> 00:01:47.319 Okay, it's a hassle for the man of the millennium. 34 00:01:48.159 --> 00:01:51.239 And we're about to cross that line and the story 35 00:01:51.280 --> 00:01:53.519 of Sid and our TLF tribute to Sid, which continues 36 00:01:53.560 --> 00:01:56.439 to unfold and unpredictable patterns in keeping with Sid Udy's 37 00:01:56.480 --> 00:01:58.159 life and times I think in so many ways. 38 00:01:58.200 --> 00:02:01.680 Yeah, I mean, it's very true. He was a revolutionary 39 00:02:01.680 --> 00:02:02.239 of that regard. 40 00:02:02.760 --> 00:02:03.120 He was. 41 00:02:03.359 --> 00:02:05.560 And of course, if we're going to cap his story 42 00:02:05.599 --> 00:02:07.840 with World Championship Wrestling, which is of course the organization. 43 00:02:07.920 --> 00:02:10.080 Despite all of our WWF memories, he probably had his 44 00:02:10.120 --> 00:02:13.479 most colorful behind the scenes experiences in from stabbing motherfuckers 45 00:02:13.520 --> 00:02:17.000 of Oh yeah, it's going to be it's going to 46 00:02:17.000 --> 00:02:20.960 be incredible because he's brought back to be Sid. But 47 00:02:21.319 --> 00:02:24.159 in an organization that doesn't really have a shit together 48 00:02:24.240 --> 00:02:26.879 to really present SID. So he's going to get what 49 00:02:26.919 --> 00:02:29.759 he always wanted. Boss, He's basically going to book himself 50 00:02:29.879 --> 00:02:33.960 with just a generic direction in which he's pointed throughout 51 00:02:33.960 --> 00:02:35.800 the end of nineteen ninety nine and into the year 52 00:02:35.840 --> 00:02:38.520 two thousand. What do you recall if anything? I mean, 53 00:02:38.560 --> 00:02:40.719 we talked about his WCW run last time, the second 54 00:02:41.120 --> 00:02:43.560 WCW run, but anything from two thousand when he actually 55 00:02:43.960 --> 00:02:48.120 captured the big Gold Belt again, No, or for the 56 00:02:48.159 --> 00:02:50.000 first time again for the first time. 57 00:02:50.000 --> 00:02:55.199 Yeah, again, never got it. Only only what we know 58 00:02:55.319 --> 00:02:59.199 from star Kate, and I do know about the Chris 59 00:02:59.319 --> 00:03:01.599 Benoit thing, that's all. 60 00:03:01.639 --> 00:03:01.800 I know. 61 00:03:01.960 --> 00:03:02.719 What do you remember about that? 62 00:03:04.000 --> 00:03:09.159 Which part the Crispin wat thing? Yeah? I just remember. 63 00:03:09.199 --> 00:03:10.639 And obviously I don't even know if I remember it 64 00:03:10.800 --> 00:03:15.840 as a fan or if I remember it from learning 65 00:03:15.919 --> 00:03:18.520 about what happened later. I really don't know. I just 66 00:03:18.680 --> 00:03:24.599 know that I just remember that that they gave Ben 67 00:03:24.639 --> 00:03:28.599 Wamba title as a way to say, hey, don't go, 68 00:03:29.879 --> 00:03:33.520 but he went anyway, and then they kind of left 69 00:03:33.759 --> 00:03:36.240 in the complete ship storm, right. 70 00:03:36.800 --> 00:03:38.280 Yeah, Yeah, you pretty much have it. And it was 71 00:03:38.599 --> 00:03:41.280 who that Ben WA defeated. It was Sid, right, it 72 00:03:41.360 --> 00:03:41.599 was Sid? 73 00:03:41.680 --> 00:03:44.840 I Meyver said it. Uh the January show was it? 74 00:03:45.080 --> 00:03:47.360 Was it still sold out? Then that would be I mean, 75 00:03:47.479 --> 00:03:51.280 I'm sure it didn't sell out, but was it was 76 00:03:51.319 --> 00:03:52.680 it WCW sold out? 77 00:03:52.759 --> 00:03:54.879 It was sold out with it o uld thank you 78 00:03:55.039 --> 00:03:59.000 very much. That's right, which they were still doing despite 79 00:03:59.039 --> 00:04:00.919 that being an entire end concept. 80 00:04:01.159 --> 00:04:03.680 I know, I know it's so stupid, but I mean, 81 00:04:03.840 --> 00:04:06.120 WCW sold out just doesn't sound good at. 82 00:04:06.080 --> 00:04:08.680 All, especially nineteen ninety nine or two thousand. 83 00:04:08.919 --> 00:04:11.159 I wasna say it sounds actually pretty a little too 84 00:04:11.240 --> 00:04:12.199 accurate actually. 85 00:04:12.080 --> 00:04:14.759 Talk about straining credulity. WCW sold out in this era. 86 00:04:15.159 --> 00:04:18.399 Not a single show was. As Sid continues to prove, 87 00:04:18.439 --> 00:04:20.800 as we've demonstrated over the course of this entire tribute, 88 00:04:20.839 --> 00:04:23.079 that he is and was a draw. 89 00:04:23.920 --> 00:04:24.120 Yeah. 90 00:04:24.519 --> 00:04:26.360 But here is Sid once again in the middle of 91 00:04:26.399 --> 00:04:29.279 absolute chaos. Not unlike the Steve Austin part of me, 92 00:04:29.480 --> 00:04:32.279 the Brett Hart Sean Michael's craziness in nineteen ninety seven 93 00:04:32.600 --> 00:04:34.279 or somehow, Sid is in the middle of all of 94 00:04:34.319 --> 00:04:36.360 it while having nothing to do with any of it. 95 00:04:37.240 --> 00:04:40.959 Yeah, I mean, what this is? Uh, what's the problem 96 00:04:41.120 --> 00:04:41.399 this is. 97 00:04:41.439 --> 00:04:43.399 The Kapper Man, because he's not only involved in the 98 00:04:43.480 --> 00:04:45.600 drama that leads to Chris ben Wah's departure with his 99 00:04:45.920 --> 00:04:49.000 tensions with Kevin Sullivan when Sullivan was regiven the book 100 00:04:49.240 --> 00:04:52.600 in WCW, but also the cross currents of Russo and 101 00:04:52.680 --> 00:04:57.279 Ferrara being brought in in October of nineteen ninety nine. Great, 102 00:04:57.519 --> 00:05:00.959 and this, this whole aforementioned incident with Ben which really 103 00:05:01.000 --> 00:05:04.319 I think comes to characterize Sid's second WCW run in 104 00:05:04.399 --> 00:05:07.240 so many ways, was a downstream effect of the fact 105 00:05:07.279 --> 00:05:09.360 that Russo and Ferrara, after just three months on the 106 00:05:09.480 --> 00:05:12.600 job were sent home or I'm sure if you asked 107 00:05:12.639 --> 00:05:14.959 Russo he went home as. 108 00:05:15.240 --> 00:05:17.120 Yeah, I'm sure. I'm sure it was his plan, right, 109 00:05:17.279 --> 00:05:19.120 he wanted to do it, He asked for the time off. 110 00:05:19.240 --> 00:05:20.879 Right, Well, he didn't ask the time off, But I mean, 111 00:05:20.920 --> 00:05:23.480 if they weren't going to do what he was hired 112 00:05:23.560 --> 00:05:27.000 to do, then he would gladly sit at home, bro 113 00:05:27.199 --> 00:05:29.720 and collect at check and look, you book the show 114 00:05:31.920 --> 00:05:34.959 an if you're not going to give me the responsibility 115 00:05:35.079 --> 00:05:37.959 that you hired me for, and et cetera, et cetera. 116 00:05:38.240 --> 00:05:40.439 And so what Russo comes up with is I shit 117 00:05:40.519 --> 00:05:42.959 you not? It will get there? Who did Russo want 118 00:05:43.000 --> 00:05:45.720 to put the world title on at that aforementioned sold 119 00:05:45.720 --> 00:05:47.360 out show, Boss, do you remember. 120 00:05:50.920 --> 00:05:54.319 Someone different than who? Well, wait a minute, hold on, 121 00:05:54.920 --> 00:05:57.879 let me think here. Would it have been Brett? 122 00:05:58.759 --> 00:06:01.560 Was not Brett? Brett was injured against Goldberg and had 123 00:06:01.560 --> 00:06:04.560 to relinquish, throwing all the booking plans As the year 124 00:06:04.600 --> 00:06:06.800 turns to two thousand and WCW into disarray. 125 00:06:07.360 --> 00:06:09.120 Right, that was at the time he got hit in 126 00:06:09.199 --> 00:06:10.480 the head and that was it. That was it. 127 00:06:10.600 --> 00:06:12.639 Yeah, he at Goldberg and then as we talked about 128 00:06:12.639 --> 00:06:15.480 an elapsed funk, he had that underappreciated match on Thunder 129 00:06:15.480 --> 00:06:17.560 where he landed on his head, right, and it never 130 00:06:17.720 --> 00:06:18.120 was the same. 131 00:06:18.959 --> 00:06:19.079 Right. 132 00:06:19.240 --> 00:06:21.240 So, whatever the plans were on the drawing board for 133 00:06:21.279 --> 00:06:23.600 World Championship Wrestling in two thousand, with Brudhart coming into 134 00:06:23.600 --> 00:06:25.399 the millennium as world champion, we're now in the dust 135 00:06:25.439 --> 00:06:27.560 bin before things could even really get started. The whole 136 00:06:27.639 --> 00:06:31.199 NW two thousand angle that precipitated that went nowhere, and 137 00:06:31.319 --> 00:06:33.639 so now we have a reset, and so Russo, who 138 00:06:33.680 --> 00:06:35.959 still has the job coming into sold out two thousand, 139 00:06:36.199 --> 00:06:38.199 comes to the building with a game plan, and his 140 00:06:38.319 --> 00:06:42.120 game plan, boss, is to somehow engineer a series of 141 00:06:42.160 --> 00:06:44.680 circumstances were at the end of the night, none other 142 00:06:44.800 --> 00:06:53.680 than Tank Abbot would be WCW World Heavyweight Champion. Why 143 00:06:54.680 --> 00:06:59.040 ain't that the question? What does that do except suck? 144 00:06:59.600 --> 00:07:02.000 And that was a suggestion that was beyond the pale. 145 00:07:02.439 --> 00:07:04.759 There are already people internally like You're Kevin Sullivan and 146 00:07:04.879 --> 00:07:07.920 JJ Dillons, Bill Bush perhaps who were working at cross 147 00:07:07.959 --> 00:07:10.519 purposes with Russo, who had been trying to make the 148 00:07:10.600 --> 00:07:12.759 case for a long time that he wasn't the right 149 00:07:12.800 --> 00:07:14.639 fit for the job and his instincts were way off. 150 00:07:14.959 --> 00:07:18.240 And when he proposed this considering the relative and experience 151 00:07:18.639 --> 00:07:21.600 of tank Abbott, that was it. And Russo was sent 152 00:07:21.680 --> 00:07:23.120 home and they had to book the show on the fly. 153 00:07:23.519 --> 00:07:26.279 And it's in that vacuum that the Ben wah sid 154 00:07:26.439 --> 00:07:30.680 situation takes place, and all that yeah, yeah, flows downstream 155 00:07:30.759 --> 00:07:34.199 from it, because as we know, Ben wah was a 156 00:07:35.000 --> 00:07:39.240 was not was not unhappy, was happy, rather, i should say, 157 00:07:39.279 --> 00:07:41.879 and his contemporaries to see Russou come in because here 158 00:07:41.959 --> 00:07:44.040 was a guy who would book the WCW MIT carters 159 00:07:44.079 --> 00:07:45.800 to actually have an opportunity at the main events that 160 00:07:45.879 --> 00:07:49.040 was sustainable. Sustainable from the perspective of they wouldn't just get, 161 00:07:49.040 --> 00:07:51.240 you know, right pat on the head and then you know, 162 00:07:51.360 --> 00:07:55.040 declared a failure. So they were bullish on working under 163 00:07:55.079 --> 00:07:58.199 these new bookers, in particular Ben Wah because of his 164 00:07:58.639 --> 00:08:01.319 having married Kevin Sellib and his ex wife Nancy Sullivan. 165 00:08:01.839 --> 00:08:04.439 They didn't There was plenty of tension and no matter what, 166 00:08:04.680 --> 00:08:07.360 Oh sure, of course Kevin Sullivan represented a Chris Man 167 00:08:07.399 --> 00:08:09.079 WoT about having his best interests at heart and being 168 00:08:09.079 --> 00:08:11.639 able to separate business from pleasure. Ben Watchers wasn't going 169 00:08:11.720 --> 00:08:14.000 to buy that a Kevin Sullivan booking regime, which was 170 00:08:14.040 --> 00:08:16.720 installed after the aforementioned blow up with Russo over the 171 00:08:16.879 --> 00:08:19.399 tank abbot idea took shape. He just wasn't going to 172 00:08:19.439 --> 00:08:22.959 believe that Kevin Sullivan could book him the way that 173 00:08:23.040 --> 00:08:25.199 made sense for him in his career. And so what happens. 174 00:08:25.240 --> 00:08:28.000 We get the radicals, we get the departure, right. 175 00:08:28.079 --> 00:08:31.839 We get that. That's huge, that's the that's the game changer, 176 00:08:31.920 --> 00:08:32.200 right in a. 177 00:08:32.200 --> 00:08:35.840 Lot of ways. Nail in the coffin of WCW. Let's say, you, huh, 178 00:08:36.159 --> 00:08:39.639 was that the nail in the coffin of wcw uh 179 00:08:39.759 --> 00:08:40.080 in real. 180 00:08:40.240 --> 00:08:41.919 Yeah. Yeah. I don't know if I knew that at 181 00:08:41.960 --> 00:08:44.759 the time when I was watching, but for sure that 182 00:08:44.840 --> 00:08:46.799 definitely is. I mean there's nothing you can do after that. 183 00:08:46.879 --> 00:08:51.000 You lose, you lose four four money. Well, I don't 184 00:08:51.000 --> 00:08:53.039 know what it's Saturday being money, but you know, at 185 00:08:53.120 --> 00:08:59.039 least three and a half money talents and one in 186 00:08:59.159 --> 00:09:02.399 one swoop. I mean, what are you gonna do with that? 187 00:09:02.519 --> 00:09:03.960 What are you gonna do after that? There's nothing you 188 00:09:04.039 --> 00:09:04.279 can do. 189 00:09:04.440 --> 00:09:09.919 Did Malenko's a money talent? Absolutely, He's a real divisive one. 190 00:09:11.279 --> 00:09:14.360 I mean, listen, I'm not saying he's a he's a 191 00:09:14.440 --> 00:09:19.000 top draw, but in in my opinion and that at 192 00:09:19.080 --> 00:09:24.440 that time, Dean Malenko demon Here's this is okay. This 193 00:09:24.679 --> 00:09:26.799 is to me what made it such a big hit. 194 00:09:27.279 --> 00:09:29.039 And I don't mean hit as in success. I mean 195 00:09:29.159 --> 00:09:34.360 hit as in against w CLO to WW big blow 196 00:09:35.000 --> 00:09:39.639 because I didn't Saturday. I didn't know or care that 197 00:09:39.720 --> 00:09:46.120 much about. But in my eyes, Milanko, Ben Wah and 198 00:09:46.320 --> 00:09:53.759 Guerrero were they were synonymous with WW. I'm not saying 199 00:09:53.759 --> 00:09:59.960 that they they they like were were the like the picture. 200 00:10:00.360 --> 00:10:02.679 You know, what do you call it the poster boys 201 00:10:02.799 --> 00:10:06.519 for WCW, but like, they're not anybody who I ever 202 00:10:06.639 --> 00:10:10.480 would have imagined would have jumped ship like they were 203 00:10:10.600 --> 00:10:16.440 just WCW, And so when they did, it was huge. 204 00:10:16.879 --> 00:10:20.279 And to have all three at the same time, you know, 205 00:10:20.480 --> 00:10:26.279 that's what you know, that's what made it made it incredible. Again, 206 00:10:26.480 --> 00:10:29.399 I don't know how they were. I don't know how 207 00:10:29.480 --> 00:10:34.039 they were in WCW in terms of individually being any 208 00:10:34.120 --> 00:10:37.799 sort of draw per se, but I just know that 209 00:10:38.559 --> 00:10:41.879 that they were top level working talent there. 210 00:10:41.879 --> 00:10:44.279 They were the kind of guys that on the increasingly 211 00:10:44.399 --> 00:10:48.120 shrinking list, the rapidly shrinking list of things the WCW 212 00:10:48.240 --> 00:10:50.519 could lay claim to being superior than WWF. 213 00:10:50.720 --> 00:10:51.879 Yeah, right, they were. 214 00:10:52.039 --> 00:10:53.960 They were the heart. They were the one thing you 215 00:10:54.000 --> 00:10:55.600 could point to to say, well, they don't have guys 216 00:10:55.639 --> 00:10:58.120 that can go like this, And maybe they did, maybe 217 00:10:58.120 --> 00:11:00.159 they didn't, But the point of the matter is that 218 00:11:00.320 --> 00:11:02.679 was still a calling card that WSW had in its favor, 219 00:11:02.759 --> 00:11:05.320 even as they were getting absolutely trounced by the attitude 220 00:11:05.320 --> 00:11:07.720 exactly exactly, and when even a guy like a Ben 221 00:11:07.759 --> 00:11:09.960 Wa or Eddie Guerrero can't find a home in the 222 00:11:10.080 --> 00:11:12.639 organization and would rather go to WWF, which is the 223 00:11:12.759 --> 00:11:14.600 land of the giants, where they hardly you know, at 224 00:11:14.679 --> 00:11:16.840 least the way things were constituted. Then, come to find out, 225 00:11:16.879 --> 00:11:19.440 on a pleasant surprise, they would basically reshape the WWF 226 00:11:19.759 --> 00:11:22.919 main card style around what these guys could do instead 227 00:11:22.919 --> 00:11:24.600 of forcing them in a four minute matches and stuff, 228 00:11:25.039 --> 00:11:27.559 because Russo had laughed and that whole mentality of WWF 229 00:11:27.639 --> 00:11:29.879 matchmaking and match approach it changed as well. So that 230 00:11:29.960 --> 00:11:32.559 was very good for them, you know, that was it. 231 00:11:33.159 --> 00:11:36.639 If even they couldn't find a way to pencil out, 232 00:11:36.679 --> 00:11:38.559 the WCW was the better place for them to be. 233 00:11:39.679 --> 00:11:43.799 It's over, it's over, and Sid again is just like 234 00:11:43.879 --> 00:11:47.759 this locust of the apocalypse who has no fucking clue 235 00:11:48.000 --> 00:11:50.320 that he's walking into some of the biggest, most you know, 236 00:11:50.480 --> 00:11:53.120 tectonic plate shifts in the wrestling business, because all he's 237 00:11:53.159 --> 00:11:55.120 thinking about is, you know, what the next injury is 238 00:11:55.159 --> 00:11:57.559 that he can cite for a return to the ranch, 239 00:11:57.799 --> 00:12:01.240 you know, And it's hilarious and all the scale AUSI is. 240 00:12:01.200 --> 00:12:05.159 A world champion and it's what, I mean, what a 241 00:12:05.240 --> 00:12:07.720 fucking what what's up with that? 242 00:12:08.000 --> 00:12:10.679 Now? Well they look around, it's like they're fucking screwed, 243 00:12:10.720 --> 00:12:12.519 and they look around they're like, I guess Sid. Then 244 00:12:13.600 --> 00:12:16.080 he's big. People know him. And that's the story of SID. 245 00:12:17.000 --> 00:12:18.200 Yeah, I know that is that is it? 246 00:12:18.320 --> 00:12:21.200 That is it gets the spotlight when something goes horribly, 247 00:12:21.240 --> 00:12:24.399 horribly wrong and nobody has any time to reconstitute a 248 00:12:24.440 --> 00:12:26.399 new master plan. And by the time they do constant 249 00:12:26.519 --> 00:12:28.000 master plan, he's almost never part of it. 250 00:12:28.679 --> 00:12:32.200 See what they don't know, See what they don't understand 251 00:12:33.559 --> 00:12:36.159 is that they bring me in because they need it right. 252 00:12:38.240 --> 00:12:44.159 They say, Sid, Sid, I want you to come in here, 253 00:12:45.399 --> 00:12:50.679 and I want you to take over, because that is 254 00:12:50.759 --> 00:12:55.159 what SID does. SID is always there to save the day. 255 00:12:57.200 --> 00:13:03.159 I save w c W, I say WWE. I saved 256 00:13:03.200 --> 00:13:10.759 Sean Michaels. I saved Vienna sausage, and I do I 257 00:13:10.919 --> 00:13:14.360 save it. I always get two cans. I put one 258 00:13:14.919 --> 00:13:16.919 in the cupboard, I put one in the garage, the 259 00:13:16.960 --> 00:13:24.519 pop top of it. I always save a vienna, just 260 00:13:24.600 --> 00:13:25.679 like I saved WW. 261 00:13:26.440 --> 00:13:27.519 SID always has a vienna. 262 00:13:28.000 --> 00:13:31.000 See, they would have gone under had I not come 263 00:13:31.080 --> 00:13:33.600 out there, they would have gone under nineteen ninety nine 264 00:13:35.799 --> 00:13:39.080 fall of nineteen ninety nine, that company would have gone down. 265 00:13:39.120 --> 00:13:42.559 But then they brought in Sid, and Sid was that 266 00:13:42.759 --> 00:13:49.279 lifeline because Sid said enough. 267 00:13:53.879 --> 00:14:00.480 And the game WCW played it was simple, and they 268 00:14:00.720 --> 00:14:01.200 do simple. 269 00:14:01.320 --> 00:14:01.600 You know what. 270 00:14:02.360 --> 00:14:04.679 They gave me my contract and it was simple. 271 00:14:05.039 --> 00:14:09.080 Thank God for that. And imagine how challenging it would 272 00:14:09.080 --> 00:14:10.399 be if it was complex, Because. 273 00:14:10.120 --> 00:14:13.600 If I couldn't read it and I didn't get what 274 00:14:13.720 --> 00:14:19.360 I want, I don't know what I would I might 275 00:14:19.399 --> 00:14:20.440 have had to take it anyway. 276 00:14:21.120 --> 00:14:21.480 Haha. 277 00:14:24.440 --> 00:14:26.519 You know, he would have been so out of sorts, 278 00:14:27.679 --> 00:14:29.919 he would that he would have taken the contract. 279 00:14:31.320 --> 00:14:33.799 Anyway, done the fucking if they did a bunch of 280 00:14:33.879 --> 00:14:36.559 legal jargon and said that he was gonna basically work 281 00:14:36.639 --> 00:14:38.159 for free, he would have taken it because he wouldn't 282 00:14:38.200 --> 00:14:38.519 know any better. 283 00:14:38.600 --> 00:14:40.440 Said, to take it anyway is the most extreme and 284 00:14:40.519 --> 00:14:44.879 unpredictable thing someone like Sid could do exactly instead of 285 00:14:44.960 --> 00:14:47.159 find some security is root around it. So this is 286 00:14:47.240 --> 00:14:49.639 just fascinating, and it's just wild that Sid sits at 287 00:14:49.679 --> 00:14:51.279 the nerve center of it all and all he's doing 288 00:14:51.399 --> 00:14:53.279 is like shrugging his shoulders and just doing what they 289 00:14:53.360 --> 00:14:55.200 tell him to do kind of, because this check is amazing. 290 00:14:55.240 --> 00:14:57.679 I mean, we've heard him talk about it. This guaranteed 291 00:14:57.759 --> 00:15:00.320 w stub contract is unlike anything he's really experienced. He's 292 00:15:00.360 --> 00:15:02.759 gotten guaranteed money from Jim Hurd and stuff in the past, 293 00:15:03.159 --> 00:15:07.799 but it's been sort of it's been sort of equally 294 00:15:08.039 --> 00:15:11.720 enticing to do the the upside WWF contract, where yeah, 295 00:15:11.720 --> 00:15:13.720 I'm not getting guaranteed this money, but if I do 296 00:15:13.759 --> 00:15:15.840 a couple of hot programs I can I can do 297 00:15:16.000 --> 00:15:18.600 well over that and fill buildings right right, This is like, 298 00:15:18.960 --> 00:15:21.360 you know, he's out filling buildings Towards the end of WWF. 299 00:15:21.600 --> 00:15:23.600 He probably was in his rights to start to think, well, 300 00:15:23.600 --> 00:15:25.320 all right, that's the end of the wrestling thing, or 301 00:15:25.360 --> 00:15:28.039 at least at a high level. Goes ECW and back 302 00:15:28.080 --> 00:15:30.159 to Memphis, as we've talked about, and all of a sudden, 303 00:15:30.159 --> 00:15:32.200 he's offered more guaranteed money he's ever seen in his life, 304 00:15:32.200 --> 00:15:35.279 with all kinds of favorable contractual terms. It's time for 305 00:15:35.399 --> 00:15:38.240 SID to thrive, boss, I know exactly. 306 00:15:38.440 --> 00:15:45.919 It's like, has there ever have there been? Have there 307 00:15:46.000 --> 00:15:50.440 been any wrestlers who have survived as well as SID 308 00:15:50.720 --> 00:15:56.679 on pure dumb luck? Oh? Man, Well, think about it. 309 00:15:56.840 --> 00:16:00.600 I'm talking about a multi time world champion on fucking 310 00:16:00.759 --> 00:16:01.320 dumb luck. 311 00:16:01.559 --> 00:16:04.000 I don't think there's been someone that has looked a 312 00:16:04.039 --> 00:16:05.919 gift horse in the mouth as much as Sid did 313 00:16:06.039 --> 00:16:08.519 during his wrestling career, who was still able to have 314 00:16:08.679 --> 00:16:12.080 so much success and so much show high profile exposure. Yeah, 315 00:16:12.240 --> 00:16:13.879 I mean nothing. You put Nash in that category, You 316 00:16:13.919 --> 00:16:15.919 could put Summon in this category. But for Sid, it 317 00:16:16.000 --> 00:16:21.279 was just that he kept he kept fucking up opportunities. Yeah, 318 00:16:21.480 --> 00:16:24.159 and it just didn't matter. I mean, he almost stabbed 319 00:16:24.279 --> 00:16:29.720 arn Anderson to death. Right, Fine, I guess totally to 320 00:16:29.759 --> 00:16:32.440 the business. He's he's got a job again in the 321 00:16:32.480 --> 00:16:35.960 same company, aren't there, right, which we haven't touched on yet, 322 00:16:36.000 --> 00:16:38.360 which we will in this episode of our TLF tribute 323 00:16:38.840 --> 00:16:41.279 to Sid as we turn the page to get another 324 00:16:41.320 --> 00:16:45.480 holiday season. And that's when things get really really spicy 325 00:16:45.559 --> 00:16:48.240 around here, don't they. Boss. Yes, they do quite a 326 00:16:48.320 --> 00:16:50.639 bit of the logs to throw in the fire in 327 00:16:50.759 --> 00:16:54.919 celebration of TLFX. Oh yeah, and we'll get to all that. 328 00:16:55.159 --> 00:16:58.399 But for Sid, I mean the way it's unfolding and 329 00:16:58.440 --> 00:17:00.639 the way you should start to, you know, calibrate your 330 00:17:00.679 --> 00:17:03.360 expectations through the end of the year, as we'll talk 331 00:17:03.360 --> 00:17:05.720 about in this episode. He wraps up his WCW run 332 00:17:05.799 --> 00:17:12.200 in a manner most unfortunate, most unfortunate. I sure hope 333 00:17:12.279 --> 00:17:14.400 when he signed that contract in nineteen ninety nine that 334 00:17:14.480 --> 00:17:16.519 no one told said to break a leg, because my god, 335 00:17:19.839 --> 00:17:25.799 oh man, I mean, have you grappled with that reality before? 336 00:17:25.880 --> 00:17:26.079 Did you? 337 00:17:26.359 --> 00:17:27.519 Did you know that happened to the man? 338 00:17:28.319 --> 00:17:28.359 No? 339 00:17:28.799 --> 00:17:32.759 No, I didn't know that. I don't think. I'm trying 340 00:17:32.799 --> 00:17:36.920 to remember. I mean you, I mean, listen, you changed 341 00:17:36.960 --> 00:17:39.440 my whole education of wrestling, So you must have told 342 00:17:39.480 --> 00:17:45.599 me at some point that had happened. But honestly, I 343 00:17:45.759 --> 00:17:49.599 don't recall. But then I know, I do know that 344 00:17:49.880 --> 00:17:55.960 that at one point I was certainly inspired to look 345 00:17:56.000 --> 00:18:00.279 it up on YouTube in early YouTube days, Yes, were 346 00:18:00.359 --> 00:18:03.039 back when it was like the the you know, place 347 00:18:03.119 --> 00:18:05.839 to go to find Kenna Kobashi. 348 00:18:05.519 --> 00:18:06.920 Mans Is inspired the word. 349 00:18:09.079 --> 00:18:14.319 Yes, Yes, I was inspired to witness maybe the one 350 00:18:14.400 --> 00:18:17.480 of at the time, I would say, the most grotesque 351 00:18:18.319 --> 00:18:19.599 injury I've ever seen in the world. 352 00:18:19.680 --> 00:18:21.640 Again, it's how sid is that? I mean, a guy 353 00:18:21.680 --> 00:18:24.160 who yeah, you know what I mean, he took his licks, 354 00:18:24.240 --> 00:18:25.839 We talked about it. He worked harder than he had 355 00:18:26.039 --> 00:18:28.519 a reputation for. But how does a guy like sit 356 00:18:28.599 --> 00:18:30.440 in up in that position. It's so sick. 357 00:18:30.519 --> 00:18:34.200 I mean yeah, I mean he's just like again to me, 358 00:18:34.480 --> 00:18:38.920 that's just he's got complete dumb luck, both good and bad. 359 00:18:38.759 --> 00:18:39.839 Bad fortune and dumb work. 360 00:18:39.920 --> 00:18:48.319 Yeah, you know, like he just I mean, I the big, 361 00:18:48.759 --> 00:18:50.680 the big question. I always why is he doing that move? 362 00:18:50.799 --> 00:18:53.680 We'll get to that. Why are you doing that move? 363 00:18:53.720 --> 00:18:56.039 Why are you up there? I mean, I don't know, 364 00:18:56.119 --> 00:18:58.079 I can't. I'm trying to remember if and think if 365 00:18:58.119 --> 00:19:02.960 if we've seen him do second rope moves before, and 366 00:19:03.200 --> 00:19:05.599 I don't remember, if we had occasionally a double act 367 00:19:05.640 --> 00:19:08.720 off the top weird occasionally a double acts off the top, 368 00:19:10.160 --> 00:19:13.119 off the top, Yeah, I've seen it. I think, wow, right, 369 00:19:13.440 --> 00:19:15.759 I mean that's crazy right there. I wouldn't do that. 370 00:19:16.640 --> 00:19:24.519 But it's it's just it's just stupid. It's just fucking stupid. 371 00:19:24.559 --> 00:19:27.200 It's somehow so sid I don't know how to put 372 00:19:27.279 --> 00:19:31.319 worse to it. But it's like this this guy, he's 373 00:19:31.400 --> 00:19:34.559 he's he is a walking womp womp that's what he is, 374 00:19:35.279 --> 00:19:35.440 you know. 375 00:19:35.599 --> 00:19:35.920 Yeah, he. 376 00:19:37.839 --> 00:19:38.880 Bless the man he gave. 377 00:19:40.279 --> 00:19:45.480 But anybody can, if anybody can, like just do an 378 00:19:45.640 --> 00:19:49.440 entrance with him where you come. You hear the music 379 00:19:49.920 --> 00:19:52.319 hit play, but the moment he comes through the curtain, 380 00:19:52.359 --> 00:19:53.680 it's just a womp wam. 381 00:19:54.720 --> 00:19:56.720 You don't even just add that in there, please, I mean, 382 00:19:56.839 --> 00:19:58.599 there's plenty of opportunities to add it in and this 383 00:19:58.720 --> 00:20:00.559 run is no exception some of things that come out 384 00:20:00.599 --> 00:20:03.160 of his mouth, some of the scenarios that he's placed into, 385 00:20:03.400 --> 00:20:05.279 like being asked to act and things like that just 386 00:20:05.880 --> 00:20:09.839 completely tone deaf to Sid's long list of limitations. Okay, 387 00:20:10.400 --> 00:20:12.480 we've heard and we've demonstrated. I think over the course 388 00:20:12.519 --> 00:20:15.119 of this tribute that you don't just give Sid complicated, 389 00:20:15.240 --> 00:20:17.279 long winded material and expected to be any good. You 390 00:20:17.359 --> 00:20:19.680 just don't You just yeah, right, the guy has money 391 00:20:19.720 --> 00:20:21.839 in him. Now, a guy has money in him. But 392 00:20:21.960 --> 00:20:24.519 you need to know what to accentuate and what to 393 00:20:24.599 --> 00:20:27.039 dial down. You have to because otherwise he looks like 394 00:20:27.119 --> 00:20:29.960 a guy who's just he's just out in the middle 395 00:20:29.960 --> 00:20:32.960 of the ocean without a paddle. And yeah, and this 396 00:20:33.200 --> 00:20:37.359 World Champs to Prestling run stare oh fool like he 397 00:20:37.440 --> 00:20:40.200 has no idea He was a deer in that horrific 398 00:20:40.920 --> 00:20:44.640 nineteen ninety nine WCW logo or the headlights Are we 399 00:20:44.720 --> 00:20:46.440 going to get to it all here as our tribute 400 00:20:46.480 --> 00:20:49.599 continues to unfold. So in terms of setting expectations through 401 00:20:49.640 --> 00:20:51.640 the year, what we'll talk this time about at the 402 00:20:51.720 --> 00:20:55.480 end of Sid's run, what we'll talk the next time about, 403 00:20:55.559 --> 00:20:58.640 what precipitated the end of the run, and all of 404 00:20:58.720 --> 00:21:01.480 the contexts and story behind that. It is a as 405 00:21:01.640 --> 00:21:04.839 a much richer story than I think you probably anticipate 406 00:21:04.920 --> 00:21:07.920 and appreciate. And then we'll we'll we'll let Sid right 407 00:21:07.960 --> 00:21:10.880 off into the sunset. So that's how we're gonna help. 408 00:21:11.160 --> 00:21:13.240 If he if he if he if he goes in 409 00:21:13.279 --> 00:21:15.960 the right direction, and that's what I'm saying, we'll let 410 00:21:16.039 --> 00:21:17.240 him do it. It doesn't mean he will. 411 00:21:17.960 --> 00:21:19.400 You know, if he's trying to find a sunset, he 412 00:21:19.480 --> 00:21:20.440 might be going east for all we know. 413 00:21:22.079 --> 00:21:23.359 You know, like you know they say, like if you 414 00:21:23.440 --> 00:21:25.000 love something, let it go, and if it comes home, 415 00:21:25.519 --> 00:21:27.400 like Sid, you'll let him go, and he'll try to 416 00:21:27.440 --> 00:21:30.160 come home, but he'll he won't find home, So you'll 417 00:21:30.240 --> 00:21:32.559 you'll take the wrong message. If you love him, let 418 00:21:32.599 --> 00:21:34.359 him go, and you know what the problem is, he'll 419 00:21:34.400 --> 00:21:37.799 get lost and he'll let him coming back. Said to 420 00:21:37.880 --> 00:21:40.400 be the guy who like you let go, he tried 421 00:21:40.440 --> 00:21:42.160 to come home, but he got lost, and so you 422 00:21:42.279 --> 00:21:44.039 took the wrong idea from it for the rest of 423 00:21:44.079 --> 00:21:46.039 your life. And he's spent the rest of his life 424 00:21:46.079 --> 00:21:47.160 trying to find out how to get home. 425 00:21:50.640 --> 00:21:52.000 He's you know what he is. 426 00:21:52.119 --> 00:21:54.279 He's a He's a character in a Cohen Brother's picture. 427 00:21:55.240 --> 00:21:58.440 Yeah, yeah, oh, oh, absolutely absolutely. 428 00:21:58.440 --> 00:21:59.680 I think I know what I mean by that. But 429 00:21:59.720 --> 00:22:00.839 what do you think I mean by that? 430 00:22:00.920 --> 00:22:03.960 Because I'm not sure, but it fits well. I mean, 431 00:22:04.160 --> 00:22:06.799 you know, in a weird way. I mean, he's like 432 00:22:06.920 --> 00:22:13.559 a mix of of of Donnie and Walter in Big Lebowski. 433 00:22:14.640 --> 00:22:17.119 He's like a mix, like he's got the the bravado 434 00:22:17.359 --> 00:22:22.000 and the loud, barking voice of John Goodman in The 435 00:22:22.039 --> 00:22:25.039 Big Lebowski, but he's got the brain of Steve Buscemi. 436 00:22:27.240 --> 00:22:28.480 You know, that's what it is. 437 00:22:28.599 --> 00:22:30.240 And he's got the career path or the or the 438 00:22:30.359 --> 00:22:31.200 journey path of you. 439 00:22:31.319 --> 00:22:33.759 Know, you can you can. I can see him fucking 440 00:22:34.000 --> 00:22:36.160 like like John Goodman in the movie, taking a gun 441 00:22:36.240 --> 00:22:39.720 out in the middle of a fucking bowling alley. But 442 00:22:39.839 --> 00:22:42.759 I also see him like not sure what's happening next 443 00:22:42.799 --> 00:22:43.240 to him. 444 00:22:43.240 --> 00:22:47.480 Perfect perfect, he sees the threat that's coming six miles away, 445 00:22:47.519 --> 00:22:49.720 but he doesn't see someone has a gun pointed at 446 00:22:49.759 --> 00:22:51.799 his temple at this exact moment, right, pretty much, And 447 00:22:51.920 --> 00:22:53.759 he belongs in a brother where art thou? 448 00:22:55.039 --> 00:22:57.559 Yeah, I've never you know, that's one Coen Brothers movie 449 00:22:57.599 --> 00:22:58.079 I've never seen. 450 00:22:58.079 --> 00:22:59.440 I think that's where I came from in my mind. 451 00:22:59.559 --> 00:23:01.559 Is I'm like, OK, if he's wandering the landscape trying 452 00:23:01.559 --> 00:23:05.119 to get home, yeah, I. 453 00:23:05.160 --> 00:23:06.920 Just couldn't use that as a reference because I don't 454 00:23:06.960 --> 00:23:07.079 know it. 455 00:23:07.200 --> 00:23:09.480 I don't know the movie maybe coming soon under the cinemat. 456 00:23:09.480 --> 00:23:11.960 Now that I made that comparison, you know, I feel 457 00:23:12.039 --> 00:23:14.799 like that might be that hardly qualify somebody's in it, 458 00:23:16.720 --> 00:23:18.079 but it might be you know, that might be coming 459 00:23:18.160 --> 00:23:19.799 soon a deeply, deeply possible. 460 00:23:19.920 --> 00:23:22.279 So we're taking a quick look at the list here now, 461 00:23:23.119 --> 00:23:27.599 Oh yeah, yeah, the list is always handy. It's always there, 462 00:23:27.839 --> 00:23:30.119 it's always present. I mean, you get to understand, it's 463 00:23:30.160 --> 00:23:32.440 just so now not yet, not yet, that one hasn't 464 00:23:32.440 --> 00:23:35.279 made the cut, not made the cut yet, right, so 465 00:23:35.400 --> 00:23:37.559 they can consider the gun look thrown down. Just know 466 00:23:37.640 --> 00:23:41.519 we're talking. I mean, God, almighty, I've got I've got 467 00:23:41.599 --> 00:23:42.480 six hundred movies. 468 00:23:42.839 --> 00:23:44.240 All right, it's fine, we get through those. 469 00:23:45.000 --> 00:23:47.279 Yeah, you know, that's six hundred first. 470 00:23:47.160 --> 00:23:48.920 Three hundred and fifty six days in years, will take 471 00:23:48.960 --> 00:23:51.079 us like two years, right, because we'll do one every day. 472 00:23:51.960 --> 00:23:53.200 We'll do it every fucking day. 473 00:23:53.960 --> 00:23:55.400 That'll be doing every fucking day. 474 00:23:55.440 --> 00:23:57.160 It always blows my mind when somebody that I know 475 00:23:57.319 --> 00:24:00.160 is like a really fervent listener like, well, we'll up 476 00:24:00.240 --> 00:24:01.559 dat us and say all right, I'm up to an 477 00:24:01.559 --> 00:24:04.559 episode from like the TNH series. I'm like, oh my god, Yeah, 478 00:24:04.799 --> 00:24:05.759 you've got a long way to go. 479 00:24:06.200 --> 00:24:07.599 But you know, so it happens. 480 00:24:07.720 --> 00:24:09.720 You know, people jump on board at different times, but 481 00:24:09.799 --> 00:24:11.599 everybody wants to go and start at the beginning because 482 00:24:11.640 --> 00:24:12.519 that's the only way to do it. 483 00:24:12.759 --> 00:24:15.279 Hey, I understand, I understand. I mean you know that 484 00:24:15.440 --> 00:24:17.640 you get, you get, you get the whole thing. I mean, 485 00:24:17.680 --> 00:24:20.880 we're you're you know, we are a an episodic but 486 00:24:21.079 --> 00:24:23.119 also serialized same time. 487 00:24:23.440 --> 00:24:26.799 Absolutely, and you know we talk about elf on a shelf? 488 00:24:26.880 --> 00:24:28.680 What about fucking casts on a shelf? You know, what 489 00:24:28.799 --> 00:24:29.799 about that shelf life? 490 00:24:29.960 --> 00:24:31.359 Your damn right shelf life. 491 00:24:31.400 --> 00:24:34.079 Indeed, we head into the holiday season and there's no 492 00:24:34.160 --> 00:24:36.240 shortage of ways to make sure that the lapsed fan 493 00:24:36.319 --> 00:24:38.480 in your life has a merry Christmas and a happy 494 00:24:38.519 --> 00:24:41.759 holiday season, because we're just going to start bursting at 495 00:24:41.759 --> 00:24:43.960 the seams. I mentioned, uh kind of how the sid 496 00:24:44.039 --> 00:24:46.279 journey will We'll continue to unfold here, and I've just 497 00:24:46.640 --> 00:24:48.759 accepted it's a journey at this point. I'm no longer fighting. 498 00:24:48.920 --> 00:24:50.599 Yeah, it is, I mean it is. I mean, look, 499 00:24:50.640 --> 00:24:52.319 we've been on it for like what two months now. 500 00:24:52.240 --> 00:24:54.480 We'll just they want every little detail, you know, I can't. 501 00:24:54.960 --> 00:24:56.599 I'm like, I'm like, okay, we'll pink with a broad 502 00:24:56.640 --> 00:24:58.519 brush here. We'll cover five years and like a half 503 00:24:58.559 --> 00:25:00.119 of a show. And someone's like, oh, I can't wait 504 00:25:00.160 --> 00:25:02.079 for you to talk about this one thing he said 505 00:25:02.640 --> 00:25:05.000 in nineteen ninety seven. I'm like, okay, I can't. 506 00:25:05.039 --> 00:25:06.519 I can't wait for you to talk about the time 507 00:25:06.559 --> 00:25:10.920 he clipped his fingernail, you know, at his mom's house 508 00:25:11.039 --> 00:25:12.599 in between two WW shows. 509 00:25:12.640 --> 00:25:16.039 And so we always we always adjust and attune ourselves. 510 00:25:16.079 --> 00:25:19.079 We're like a We're like a plant, a plant that 511 00:25:19.200 --> 00:25:23.000 starts leaning in the direction of the sun to continue 512 00:25:23.000 --> 00:25:25.599 feeding off that nourishment from the solar system as it 513 00:25:25.640 --> 00:25:28.200 continues to glow upon us in celebration of ten years 514 00:25:28.200 --> 00:25:31.359 of lapsed as we enter a new decade of dominance, 515 00:25:32.359 --> 00:25:34.839 and you know it's it's going to be in addition 516 00:25:34.920 --> 00:25:36.559 to the wrapping up of the SID series, it's going 517 00:25:36.599 --> 00:25:39.799 to be significant because we're going to start dropping on 518 00:25:39.920 --> 00:25:43.359 you the the twenty twenty four TLF unwrapping that's right 519 00:25:43.759 --> 00:25:46.359 coming your way in December. It's definitely going to be 520 00:25:46.640 --> 00:25:49.160 at least boss twenty four days of Christmas here at 521 00:25:49.160 --> 00:25:49.519 t LF. 522 00:25:49.680 --> 00:25:53.039 Oh, at least, there's so many there's so fucking many, 523 00:25:53.200 --> 00:25:56.640 so many gifts episode, so many gifts, it's insane. 524 00:25:56.680 --> 00:25:58.799 So you guys are insane. Really, that's all I'm going 525 00:25:58.880 --> 00:26:01.599 to say. Really took care of business this year. The 526 00:26:01.720 --> 00:26:05.119 third unwrapping a TLFX miss. Indeed it will be, and 527 00:26:05.240 --> 00:26:08.160 so expect the main feed to be taken over by 528 00:26:08.279 --> 00:26:12.960 an orgy of unwrapping. Yeah, as the Solar system looks 529 00:26:13.039 --> 00:26:16.279 to you know, make it real, make all this real, 530 00:26:17.640 --> 00:26:19.839 tangible in our hands, and we look forward to sharing 531 00:26:19.839 --> 00:26:21.279 all that with you and hope you check out each 532 00:26:21.319 --> 00:26:23.480 and every morsel that we'll be putting under the tree 533 00:26:23.519 --> 00:26:26.519 this holiday season. In addition to the SID series taking 534 00:26:26.920 --> 00:26:31.519 its final lap, will also be transitioning out of what 535 00:26:31.680 --> 00:26:33.759 has been one of the most remarkable things to happen 536 00:26:33.839 --> 00:26:37.480 under the cinemat easily into Christmas movie season. But foss, 537 00:26:37.480 --> 00:26:39.359 we do need to update the people on Bond because 538 00:26:39.400 --> 00:26:42.000 we revisited it after a quick pause for scary movie season, 539 00:26:42.079 --> 00:26:43.799 and my god, are we rounding third? 540 00:26:44.440 --> 00:26:47.519 I mean, it's it's quite you know, it's so interesting 541 00:26:50.000 --> 00:26:51.839 coming back to it, and I think, I mean, you 542 00:26:51.960 --> 00:26:54.799 actually tell me now, like, was that the right move anyway? 543 00:26:55.279 --> 00:26:56.920 Was it the right move to take that break? Yes, 544 00:26:57.519 --> 00:27:01.839 given what you know with the the Daniel Craig stuff, Yes, 545 00:27:02.079 --> 00:27:05.079 you know it works because it just the continuity is different. Yes, 546 00:27:07.720 --> 00:27:10.599 So yeah, we got our last one, our last one 547 00:27:10.680 --> 00:27:13.480 coming up. It is it's a little I gotta tell you. 548 00:27:13.480 --> 00:27:16.680 You know, it's like every fucking journey. It's like every 549 00:27:16.920 --> 00:27:21.079 fucking journey we ever do, and including this one for 550 00:27:21.200 --> 00:27:24.519 that matter. It's like there comes, you know, every journey, 551 00:27:24.759 --> 00:27:29.640 there's a You start off strong, it's always very exciting, 552 00:27:30.240 --> 00:27:33.720 it's always fun. In the in the middle, it always 553 00:27:33.720 --> 00:27:36.960 gets a little hard. Not like that it's that it's 554 00:27:37.079 --> 00:27:39.559 not interesting or that it's not fun, but when you're 555 00:27:39.640 --> 00:27:41.799 kind of like, okay, we got to move this thing along? 556 00:27:41.839 --> 00:27:44.480 How do we move this thing along? And I mean 557 00:27:44.519 --> 00:27:47.400 I felt I felt that way even the first one WrestleMania. 558 00:27:48.000 --> 00:27:50.480 You know, we kind of got into an area like 559 00:27:50.680 --> 00:27:56.079 especially in like the the early two thousands of WrestleMania's 560 00:27:56.160 --> 00:27:58.519 or like mid two thousands WrestleManias, we're like, okay, come on, 561 00:27:58.680 --> 00:28:01.680 can we just wrap this fucking thing? You know? And 562 00:28:02.319 --> 00:28:05.839 same thing, But then get to the end and it's 563 00:28:05.839 --> 00:28:09.160 almost like, oh shit, like there's just it's just bittersweet. 564 00:28:09.359 --> 00:28:11.240 There's it's always a bittersweet ending. And I've got that 565 00:28:11.359 --> 00:28:15.799 feeling inside where I'm like, man, this has been so 566 00:28:15.920 --> 00:28:21.640 much fun. It's been so great. It's been exhausting, it's 567 00:28:21.880 --> 00:28:26.240 been crazy, but it's like this has been so much fun. 568 00:28:26.400 --> 00:28:27.759 Had to be done. 569 00:28:28.440 --> 00:28:29.000 It did happen. 570 00:28:29.079 --> 00:28:31.680 That's what you take solace in because when yes, you 571 00:28:31.720 --> 00:28:33.559 feel like you should be seventy five percent of the 572 00:28:33.640 --> 00:28:35.559 way done and you're only thirty five percent of the 573 00:28:35.599 --> 00:28:38.839 way done, keeps you going on. Service to the solar 574 00:28:38.960 --> 00:28:42.440 system is that it must be done, like if not us, 575 00:28:42.519 --> 00:28:45.400 who And so it's gonna get agreed, We're gonna keep going. 576 00:28:45.519 --> 00:28:48.319 We're gonna yeah, We're gonna just clear the decks until 577 00:28:48.319 --> 00:28:55.839 the mission is accomplished, until until the recipient is satisfied. Okay, satiated, 578 00:28:56.359 --> 00:28:57.960 left breathless. 579 00:28:58.880 --> 00:29:00.680 I mean, I mean, here's the thing. You ready for this? 580 00:29:01.920 --> 00:29:03.839 And it's it's not gonna happen for a while, but 581 00:29:04.319 --> 00:29:07.119 I already know what the next I'm the Cinema Turney 582 00:29:07.160 --> 00:29:07.480 is going to be. 583 00:29:07.640 --> 00:29:11.640 You do I do breaking news, Yep, I do. It's 584 00:29:11.680 --> 00:29:14.920 not gonna be for a while, long time. But I've 585 00:29:14.920 --> 00:29:17.079 got an I've got a plan, and you're not going 586 00:29:17.160 --> 00:29:23.559 to divulge it right now. No fuck, no, I want 587 00:29:23.599 --> 00:29:29.160 you to get wet. Most people say wet the appetite. No, 588 00:29:29.240 --> 00:29:30.599 I want you to get wet at the thought of it. 589 00:29:30.680 --> 00:29:33.640 We're gonna be looking for I guess maybe some films 590 00:29:33.640 --> 00:29:36.680 who'll be selecting in the near future that might be constant, 591 00:29:36.880 --> 00:29:39.079 might constant foreplay. Perhaps maybe we should look at a 592 00:29:39.319 --> 00:29:42.759 way perhaps, man, Yeah, you never know, a lot of 593 00:29:42.839 --> 00:29:44.319 tea leaves to read. I think in the months to 594 00:29:44.400 --> 00:29:46.519 come here Oh yes, t f h Q. But under 595 00:29:46.519 --> 00:29:49.119 the cinemat carneies are forever a full tour through every 596 00:29:49.200 --> 00:29:51.799 James Bond film that has a wrestling nexus. What a 597 00:29:51.839 --> 00:29:54.039 pleasure it's been, What a pleasure it will continue to be. 598 00:29:54.640 --> 00:29:57.119 And my god, if there's ever a time to jump 599 00:29:57.160 --> 00:29:59.160 into the ep A above tier at patreon dot com 600 00:29:59.279 --> 00:30:03.640 slash lapsed, now is the time because you're getting peak performance. 601 00:30:03.680 --> 00:30:08.240 You're getting t LFX in made manifest through under this cinemat. 602 00:30:08.880 --> 00:30:25.079 It's the lall wrestling podcast, the wrestling podcast that knows 603 00:30:25.160 --> 00:30:43.200 the boys need their candy. It's the Lapsed Fan. He's 604 00:30:43.279 --> 00:30:47.359 the Lapsed Fan Wrestling podcast with Jack and Carno and 605 00:30:47.519 --> 00:30:48.319 JP Soro. 606 00:30:49.000 --> 00:30:51.480 And so we really do hope you join us. It'd 607 00:30:51.480 --> 00:30:53.720 be a great way. I don't know, if you're just 608 00:30:53.799 --> 00:30:55.759 catching up. Maybe through the holidays one thing, slow down 609 00:30:55.799 --> 00:30:57.920 a bit, you know, people trying to get through the 610 00:30:57.960 --> 00:30:59.599 workday with the podcast in the year all day you 611 00:30:59.640 --> 00:30:59.839 know that. 612 00:31:00.119 --> 00:31:03.960 Us that I mean, think about that especially, think about 613 00:31:04.000 --> 00:31:07.279 that that that time period between Christmas and New Year's. 614 00:31:08.480 --> 00:31:11.720 You know, if you got to work between them, we're good. 615 00:31:11.920 --> 00:31:12.759 We're a good thing for that. 616 00:31:12.960 --> 00:31:17.559 On folks, get your bond on your co chairs. I 617 00:31:17.720 --> 00:31:19.880 never thought in a million years that I end up 618 00:31:19.920 --> 00:31:22.960 being such a bond enthusiast as somebody who as I've 619 00:31:23.000 --> 00:31:25.240 talked about didn't watch any of them front to end 620 00:31:25.279 --> 00:31:28.759 before this journey began. And Boss Boss found a way. 621 00:31:29.519 --> 00:31:31.200 Boss found a way, just like I tried to do 622 00:31:31.319 --> 00:31:34.920 with like World Class and you know a w at 623 00:31:34.960 --> 00:31:37.759 the Trial of his life or even t na yea, 624 00:31:38.240 --> 00:31:39.880 you got it. You got to keep going and you 625 00:31:40.039 --> 00:31:43.319 have to show yep, Well, what's never gonna happen to 626 00:31:43.400 --> 00:31:45.200 us is what happened to like you know of Vince Russell, 627 00:31:45.319 --> 00:31:49.400 like where the audience detects that the booker cares less 628 00:31:49.599 --> 00:31:52.519 about the details than the audience. 629 00:31:53.319 --> 00:31:55.319 No details are fucking key. 630 00:31:55.559 --> 00:31:57.240 And that's the hill we're going to die on or 631 00:31:57.359 --> 00:32:00.880 thrive on. And so far it's been more than thriving 632 00:32:01.400 --> 00:32:05.160 and long continue so under the Cinemat executive producer tier 633 00:32:05.200 --> 00:32:08.079 and above. This is indeed the time. I don't know 634 00:32:08.119 --> 00:32:10.559 if you've got any doozies on tap for Christmas movie season. 635 00:32:10.640 --> 00:32:14.920 We have gotten some incredible, incredible films over the years 636 00:32:15.039 --> 00:32:17.680 in that time period, but can you give people a flavor. 637 00:32:18.400 --> 00:32:23.920 I I I'll say this, Okay, So I've admitted that 638 00:32:24.319 --> 00:32:29.200 there is a certain affection that I've had towards the 639 00:32:29.279 --> 00:32:32.559 miss Christmas movies. Oh yeah, you struggling because they're just 640 00:32:32.640 --> 00:32:36.599 so stupid and they're just fucking idiotic. So I've got something. 641 00:32:36.640 --> 00:32:38.000 You know, he hasn't made one, I don't even know 642 00:32:38.039 --> 00:32:39.799 in the last movie he's made. He hasn't made many 643 00:32:39.839 --> 00:32:45.039 since in quite a while. But I found something in 644 00:32:45.119 --> 00:32:49.119 that vein that I think will be a fun that'll 645 00:32:49.119 --> 00:32:54.480 be a fun little uh jaunt. And then I'm I've 646 00:32:54.519 --> 00:32:57.599 got a couple in mind for a quite a doozy 647 00:32:57.680 --> 00:33:00.519 main event. There's one that I'm really hope and I 648 00:33:00.559 --> 00:33:01.039 can lock in. 649 00:33:01.160 --> 00:33:03.160 So psyched out of your mind about. 650 00:33:03.359 --> 00:33:07.920 Yeah, pretty much, I would say just that, yeah, psyched out. 651 00:33:11.160 --> 00:33:12.720 Because you know, if you haven't been listening to Under 652 00:33:12.720 --> 00:33:14.799 the cinemat since the beginning. As wonderful as the epics 653 00:33:14.839 --> 00:33:17.759 have been and the huge sweeping, you know, Godfather episodes 654 00:33:17.759 --> 00:33:20.640 and things like that, the heart of it is really 655 00:33:20.759 --> 00:33:22.799 just like the heart of TLF, Like, what's the zaniest, 656 00:33:22.920 --> 00:33:26.640 weirdest shiit, what's the bad stuff that we can make good? 657 00:33:26.720 --> 00:33:29.000 You know, it goes yeah, and just what's the stuff 658 00:33:29.000 --> 00:33:30.200 that we can look at and say, what the fuck 659 00:33:30.319 --> 00:33:34.960 is this? Holy? I listen, listen. I am bummed that 660 00:33:35.119 --> 00:33:36.960 Kevin Nash didn't have a Christmas Movie. I would have 661 00:33:37.240 --> 00:33:39.279 done that right away, all right, that'd been right on 662 00:33:39.319 --> 00:33:41.000 the list. Fail on the archives. Vone in the cinemat 663 00:33:41.039 --> 00:33:43.960 by the way, Santa Sligh featuring Goldberg. Oh yes, absolutely, 664 00:33:43.960 --> 00:33:49.319 I mean look, I mean look our first our first shows. 665 00:33:49.519 --> 00:33:51.039 The first time we did under the cinemat, it was 666 00:33:51.119 --> 00:33:54.519 Christmas Movies. That's how we started with Muscles, Santa with 667 00:33:54.599 --> 00:33:58.119 Muscle my God, come on, folks, Santa with muscles, and 668 00:33:58.519 --> 00:34:02.359 and uh uh yeah, of course Santas Slade, Jingle all 669 00:34:02.400 --> 00:34:06.640 the way and uh and die Hard were the first four. 670 00:34:06.720 --> 00:34:09.159 Oh yeah, that's right. Wow memories. 671 00:34:09.840 --> 00:34:12.800 Well we got fucking introduced. I mean, what a think 672 00:34:12.840 --> 00:34:15.119 about that? Where you go right introduced to uh, to 673 00:34:15.280 --> 00:34:20.639 a norbirth group. First first four shows him to get 674 00:34:20.760 --> 00:34:21.599 Norbird group. 675 00:34:22.159 --> 00:34:25.320 Just wrestlers that you'll never you'll never see put under 676 00:34:25.360 --> 00:34:25.840 the spotlight. 677 00:34:27.000 --> 00:34:28.960 That's the fucking beauty of it, all right. That's the 678 00:34:29.320 --> 00:34:32.000 that's the fun part for me is finding these clowns 679 00:34:32.079 --> 00:34:35.159 that you know, that that you know they needed to 680 00:34:35.199 --> 00:34:37.480 make a living and they and then they end up 681 00:34:37.480 --> 00:34:41.400 becoming actors or stunt people or whatever like. But in 682 00:34:41.480 --> 00:34:43.280 the meantime they had to fucking wrestle. It's all they 683 00:34:43.320 --> 00:34:43.559 could do. 684 00:34:43.960 --> 00:34:45.559 In some ways, it was kind of like a spiritual 685 00:34:45.599 --> 00:34:48.119 extension of what we were going for with connecting the spots. 686 00:34:48.239 --> 00:34:51.239 Long time. Yeah patrons will remember when w W would 687 00:34:51.239 --> 00:34:54.239 post in the old network a hidden gem with a 688 00:34:54.280 --> 00:34:56.800 wrestler from you know, the fifties or something that no one, 689 00:34:57.440 --> 00:35:00.960 you know, that very few had heard of. We would 690 00:35:01.000 --> 00:35:02.519 go in, we would go hard, and we would try 691 00:35:02.519 --> 00:35:05.519 to understand like who this person was and what contexts 692 00:35:05.519 --> 00:35:07.960 they fit into, and it was so much fun. And 693 00:35:08.039 --> 00:35:10.159 then come to find out there was so much crossover 694 00:35:10.199 --> 00:35:13.559 between Hollywood and old wrestling. I know that this is 695 00:35:13.639 --> 00:35:16.119 just annoying way to do it, another mechanism, you know. 696 00:35:16.280 --> 00:35:18.280 And the thing is, I get that's the been, always been. 697 00:35:18.280 --> 00:35:20.320 The biggest surprise is that everyone makes a big deal 698 00:35:20.400 --> 00:35:26.760 out of a rock or or Batista or Sina Hogan, 699 00:35:27.159 --> 00:35:29.159 Sina whatever. But it's like these guys have been doing 700 00:35:29.159 --> 00:35:32.880 it forever. There are people who are doing it, who've 701 00:35:32.880 --> 00:35:36.719 been doing the like Wrestlers being in movies is as 702 00:35:36.920 --> 00:35:43.559 old as fucking cinema at cinema, at cinema. 703 00:35:43.519 --> 00:35:45.960 I mean, in so many ways because they share they 704 00:35:46.000 --> 00:35:49.559 share common ancestry with the stunt man the world. 705 00:35:49.760 --> 00:35:52.800 Yep, exactly how to take it. They know how to 706 00:35:53.440 --> 00:35:57.519 they know how to play gruesome people. You know that 707 00:35:57.719 --> 00:36:02.400 that's there's so many people, there's so many wrestlers who 708 00:36:02.800 --> 00:36:06.679 who you know, just nobody remembers. And I'm that's what 709 00:36:06.800 --> 00:36:09.840 thrills me. That honestly is what thrills me the most 710 00:36:10.519 --> 00:36:14.400 is when I get you know, I either find or 711 00:36:14.440 --> 00:36:18.400 someone gives me a movie and we get to and 712 00:36:18.480 --> 00:36:21.559 it's somebody I've never heard it before, it's somebody from 713 00:36:21.559 --> 00:36:24.519 another country, and we get to find out. I gotta 714 00:36:24.519 --> 00:36:26.239 find out who this fucking guy is, right, and find 715 00:36:26.239 --> 00:36:31.119 out and find any wrestling, any wrestling evidence. And that's 716 00:36:31.119 --> 00:36:32.480 the best part, the best part. 717 00:36:33.239 --> 00:36:37.360 Yeah, that's correct. And I bring up, you know, connecting 718 00:36:37.400 --> 00:36:39.199 the spots, and I bring up hidden Gems kind of 719 00:36:39.239 --> 00:36:42.920 forlornly because we got over it a while ago when 720 00:36:42.920 --> 00:36:44.679 they made the transition here in the States to peaking. 721 00:36:44.719 --> 00:36:45.599 Oh fuck my life. 722 00:36:45.719 --> 00:36:48.000 I don't know if you've seen any screen grabs those 723 00:36:48.239 --> 00:36:50.519 international folks that have been fortunate enough to still have 724 00:36:50.639 --> 00:36:52.840 the traditional WW network with all the stuff that we 725 00:36:52.920 --> 00:36:57.960 put up there. January first, twenty twenty five, it's done. Yep, Netflix, 726 00:36:59.719 --> 00:37:03.199 why would you want the W network? Why would you 727 00:37:03.239 --> 00:37:06.880 want that? Why would anybody want that? But I don't 728 00:37:06.920 --> 00:37:08.960 know what was kind of what kind of pisses me off. 729 00:37:09.119 --> 00:37:12.519 I mean, I guess they want the eyes on their thing, 730 00:37:12.559 --> 00:37:14.000 but it's like, it's kind of I wish that they 731 00:37:14.039 --> 00:37:19.000 would do that, that ownership of the network would go 732 00:37:19.039 --> 00:37:20.960 to somebody else or something like that, and they would, 733 00:37:21.360 --> 00:37:23.679 I don't know, get whatever they need to get form it, 734 00:37:23.760 --> 00:37:27.480 maybe get money or whatever. But with the maintenance of it, 735 00:37:28.159 --> 00:37:29.119 it's just like, let it be. 736 00:37:29.679 --> 00:37:31.719 Let the network be the way that it always was, 737 00:37:31.960 --> 00:37:34.960 and then just people, you know, like Peacock can put 738 00:37:35.000 --> 00:37:37.599 its fucking thing on it, and then Netflix can put 739 00:37:37.639 --> 00:37:41.519 its fucking it's it's you know, make make make it, 740 00:37:41.679 --> 00:37:44.480 make it the Netflix w W network. I don't fucking care. 741 00:37:45.079 --> 00:37:47.360 But just that the way that it was was just great. 742 00:37:47.519 --> 00:37:50.119 I mean, the Peacock thing is is a fucking shit show. 743 00:37:51.079 --> 00:37:54.159 It's so awesome, so awful, like they've never they've never 744 00:37:54.280 --> 00:37:57.400 made it better. It's a joke. 745 00:37:58.119 --> 00:38:00.760 I mean, people are free can out Because there was 746 00:38:00.800 --> 00:38:03.239 some like verbiage in the email that went out about 747 00:38:03.360 --> 00:38:07.280 WW network ending on January one, about how like select 748 00:38:07.719 --> 00:38:09.360 archive will be available on Netflix. 749 00:38:10.000 --> 00:38:12.079 Of course, it's going to be like you know, it's 750 00:38:12.119 --> 00:38:14.320 going to be like nothing because because you know, they're 751 00:38:14.400 --> 00:38:16.880 not going to start doing They're not going to start 752 00:38:16.920 --> 00:38:21.280 transitioning the networks of over now why would they do it? Now? 753 00:38:21.360 --> 00:38:23.480 They'll do it. They'll do it on December thirty first, 754 00:38:23.519 --> 00:38:24.679 they'll start transferring shit over. 755 00:38:24.800 --> 00:38:26.920 And will they do I mean, we gave up so 756 00:38:27.079 --> 00:38:30.400 much from the network to Peacock. Yep, you think the 757 00:38:30.440 --> 00:38:32.280 full Peacock archive is going to go to Netflix? 758 00:38:32.880 --> 00:38:33.119 Fuck? 759 00:38:33.199 --> 00:38:33.639 No, why not? 760 00:38:34.920 --> 00:38:36.400 Because why would I do that? Why would I want 761 00:38:36.400 --> 00:38:36.840 to take the time? 762 00:38:39.719 --> 00:38:42.840 We take the time and here we are, right, that's 763 00:38:44.400 --> 00:38:46.480 like you guys, we like there's not an argument for it. 764 00:38:47.679 --> 00:38:50.440 It's just it's just not worth it. So sad, Okay, 765 00:38:51.199 --> 00:38:56.239 it's just not worth it, so sad. So why if 766 00:38:56.320 --> 00:38:58.519 I don't think it's worth it, why should you think 767 00:38:58.559 --> 00:39:00.199 it's worth it? They did set up a U Tube 768 00:39:00.239 --> 00:39:02.440 channel called the Vault, which is kind of promising, but 769 00:39:03.599 --> 00:39:05.599 we need the archive we need we need We don't 770 00:39:05.639 --> 00:39:08.840 need the Vault sending us breadcrumbs. We need access to 771 00:39:08.880 --> 00:39:11.039 the Vault. I know, like I want full you know, 772 00:39:11.199 --> 00:39:15.079 I do love the like the certain little things, but 773 00:39:15.519 --> 00:39:18.000 like I need full shows. You've got they have full 774 00:39:18.079 --> 00:39:22.440 shows and events that just need to be seen. 775 00:39:25.000 --> 00:39:27.760 So stop it. Stop being bitches. 776 00:39:28.639 --> 00:39:31.119 I mean, look, listen to me, folks. One hundred dollars 777 00:39:31.159 --> 00:39:37.400 a month, people will pay it. Yeah, what are you 778 00:39:37.400 --> 00:39:40.320 gonna do this under the same corporate umbrella that has 779 00:39:40.360 --> 00:39:42.719 UFC Fight Pass with every last fist that's ever been 780 00:39:42.760 --> 00:39:45.000 thrown in an MMA organization sitting there for all the 781 00:39:45.079 --> 00:39:48.960 watch with no like shopping it around, maybe because no 782 00:39:49.000 --> 00:39:52.159 one wants it, but you know it's like, guys, like, 783 00:39:53.079 --> 00:39:54.519 just take care of you, take care of the people 784 00:39:54.559 --> 00:39:55.920 that are going to be with you until you're out 785 00:39:55.920 --> 00:39:58.760 of business. Like that's that's something you have to keep 786 00:39:58.760 --> 00:40:01.559 in mind. I think Netflix is going to give a 787 00:40:01.639 --> 00:40:04.840 fuck about not at all Awa SuperClash, you know what 788 00:40:04.880 --> 00:40:05.280 I mean. 789 00:40:06.360 --> 00:40:08.480 They don't fucking. 790 00:40:11.039 --> 00:40:13.960 And we get what we deserve because we were started. 791 00:40:14.079 --> 00:40:16.519 You know, that's why this started. The lapsed fan started 792 00:40:16.920 --> 00:40:19.519 because when the network came out, they were talking about 793 00:40:19.559 --> 00:40:20.800 what the lapsed fan wanted. 794 00:40:20.880 --> 00:40:23.360 Remember this, right, yep. They were doing. 795 00:40:23.199 --> 00:40:27.639 Powerpoints and investor calls, talking about investor decks, talking about 796 00:40:27.679 --> 00:40:30.199 how many lapsed fans that were out there and how 797 00:40:30.239 --> 00:40:32.559 this network was going to be the vehicle to recapture them. 798 00:40:33.079 --> 00:40:36.400 And aw strum the same guitar too. When they got started, 799 00:40:37.199 --> 00:40:39.400 and it was like, oh, ye oh, really you're gonna 800 00:40:39.400 --> 00:40:41.480 tell us what the lapsed fan wants. Let's let let 801 00:40:41.599 --> 00:40:43.679 us tell you. Okay, you're gonna put that exactly. You 802 00:40:43.719 --> 00:40:45.800 put this bounty in front of us. Let us do 803 00:40:45.960 --> 00:40:48.480 ten years worth of lucrative podcasting to prove to you 804 00:40:48.679 --> 00:40:53.320 that this is what the LAPS fan wants. Our listeners, 805 00:40:53.800 --> 00:40:56.679 even if they don't listen to us, they represent the 806 00:40:56.840 --> 00:41:01.039 kind of person that you want to life to customer value, 807 00:41:01.039 --> 00:41:02.559 whatever a fucking acronym you want to come up with 808 00:41:02.639 --> 00:41:07.639 in business school for it. That's where it's at. But 809 00:41:07.760 --> 00:41:09.719 now let's just put let's just put the last five 810 00:41:09.800 --> 00:41:11.960 years on Netflix, right, Let's just. 811 00:41:12.000 --> 00:41:14.280 No one needs the whole thing. No one's gonna be 812 00:41:14.320 --> 00:41:20.559 watching wresting, you know, fucking wrastling from the seventies. We're here, 813 00:41:20.840 --> 00:41:23.360 we're for hire. Put us in charge. You'll never get 814 00:41:23.400 --> 00:41:25.800 another complaint again. You won't have to lift a single finger. 815 00:41:28.079 --> 00:41:30.320 We are the one, just like yeat. Let us have 816 00:41:30.519 --> 00:41:32.960 the fucking tape archive. We talked in there, and let 817 00:41:33.039 --> 00:41:33.920 us put sh it up. 818 00:41:34.000 --> 00:41:35.719 And how frustrating is it to talk to somebody like 819 00:41:35.760 --> 00:41:37.280 Matt Camp, who we talked to this year, who was 820 00:41:37.320 --> 00:41:38.679 in the belly of the Beast, who is fighting this 821 00:41:38.760 --> 00:41:41.480 same fight. It's it's not even like there aren't people 822 00:41:41.599 --> 00:41:44.840 inside that don't realize it. It's even when pointed out 823 00:41:44.880 --> 00:41:46.920 to them, these people who think they're gonna win an 824 00:41:46.920 --> 00:41:50.639 Emmy for TV production just can't fucking get it. They 825 00:41:50.760 --> 00:41:52.960 just can't. They just can't countenance the fact that all 826 00:41:53.000 --> 00:41:55.480 that matters is servicing the fans you have, and then 827 00:41:55.519 --> 00:41:59.519 the rest is all gravy. I don't know, man, I'm 828 00:41:59.559 --> 00:42:01.559 not looking for or to this new turning of the page. 829 00:42:01.599 --> 00:42:05.639 And in that vein, it's it's it's never listen, it's 830 00:42:05.760 --> 00:42:07.800 it's it's gonna get worse before it gets better. 831 00:42:08.480 --> 00:42:10.719 Why is that necessarily a fact? What kind of attitude 832 00:42:10.800 --> 00:42:10.920 is that? 833 00:42:12.719 --> 00:42:16.199 Because you know, because they don't make it easy, and 834 00:42:16.280 --> 00:42:21.360 they don't make it fun, let's fucking get it all right, 835 00:42:21.639 --> 00:42:25.480 and and and they don't know what they're doing. 836 00:42:28.760 --> 00:42:31.880 It's so true, like you know, they even if they 837 00:42:31.920 --> 00:42:33.519 put a good product in the ring, it's like these 838 00:42:33.559 --> 00:42:36.559 little things that you're just like, what are they doing? Like, 839 00:42:36.639 --> 00:42:39.440 why are they bothering with this? Why are they not 840 00:42:39.519 --> 00:42:40.280 doing this over here? 841 00:42:41.559 --> 00:42:45.400 Why aren't they doing anything else? But yeah, I mean like, 842 00:42:45.639 --> 00:42:48.199 is it that hard? Apparently it is that hard. 843 00:42:48.440 --> 00:42:48.639 I know. 844 00:42:48.840 --> 00:42:51.480 I yeah, that that is it. It is that fucking hard. 845 00:42:52.039 --> 00:42:53.679 Here's how you do it. Just take it from us. 846 00:42:53.679 --> 00:42:56.159 Here's how you do it. You start with the earliest 847 00:42:56.239 --> 00:42:58.880 year you have footage from. Yeah, I'd love to know 848 00:42:58.960 --> 00:43:00.639 if the footage is stored by year, because they don't 849 00:43:00.639 --> 00:43:02.719 make it this much easier and you just upload one 850 00:43:02.800 --> 00:43:03.400 thing every day. 851 00:43:03.599 --> 00:43:04.800 Listen, I'm sure it's alphabetical. 852 00:43:05.440 --> 00:43:07.159 Fucking why would it be alphabetical? 853 00:43:08.679 --> 00:43:12.039 Why wouldn't it be alphabetical? That's the wrong question. 854 00:43:12.119 --> 00:43:15.079 I can't believe that it's it's that difficult, because they 855 00:43:15.199 --> 00:43:18.159 find really obscure clips for like their documentaries and stuff 856 00:43:18.239 --> 00:43:21.000 really quickly. You know, they're able to find like you know, 857 00:43:21.119 --> 00:43:22.719 the A and E stuff, Like they're able to find 858 00:43:22.760 --> 00:43:25.079 these moments that weren't even on television that are sitting 859 00:43:25.159 --> 00:43:28.519 somewhere on like b roll that they have. They seem 860 00:43:28.559 --> 00:43:30.599 to call upon that pretty pretty easily. I don't know 861 00:43:30.639 --> 00:43:34.280 how much work. It is takes, but do they another 862 00:43:34.320 --> 00:43:36.280 brand new world. It's going to be a new year 863 00:43:36.280 --> 00:43:39.519 in a new world. Until then, we can still seep 864 00:43:39.559 --> 00:43:42.800 in the juices of of TLFX in twenty twenty four 865 00:43:44.960 --> 00:43:47.320 and in the vein of the transition of Netflix. You 866 00:43:47.400 --> 00:43:50.199 do want to be locked into Patreon dot com slash 867 00:43:50.239 --> 00:43:52.480 the lapsed fan For another reason, We're going to be 868 00:43:52.519 --> 00:43:55.280 closing out twenty twenty four in style in the form of. 869 00:43:55.320 --> 00:43:58.719 Live calls because while oh yes, oh yes, they're. 870 00:43:58.599 --> 00:44:01.960 Probably hearing this post, probably with the Survivor series coming 871 00:44:02.039 --> 00:44:10.199 up the Saturday after Thanksgiving tradition, the post Thanksgiving tradition, 872 00:44:17.599 --> 00:44:19.000 it has a certain ring to it, doesn't it? 873 00:44:19.639 --> 00:44:22.760 It does it does? It definitely makes me get excited 874 00:44:22.840 --> 00:44:26.239 for a holiday, except the way I don't because it's 875 00:44:26.320 --> 00:44:28.920 after the holiday. Just do it. 876 00:44:29.000 --> 00:44:31.119 Do it the garden every year, you know that way, 877 00:44:31.320 --> 00:44:33.880 Like you know, everyone who works in the office, like 878 00:44:34.000 --> 00:44:35.880 they have to work, but it's like you know, they 879 00:44:35.920 --> 00:44:38.320 can do half a day or something. People from Florida 880 00:44:38.320 --> 00:44:39.960 can fly up in three hours. That's where so many 881 00:44:40.000 --> 00:44:42.159 your people are. Maybe if they're all around the country, 882 00:44:42.360 --> 00:44:43.559 just you know, maybe they don't have to work. I 883 00:44:43.599 --> 00:44:45.599 don't know. I hate to take Thanksgiving away from anybody, 884 00:44:45.599 --> 00:44:49.920 but it's sitting there. It's sitting there, begging, begging to 885 00:44:50.039 --> 00:44:53.840 be activated. For the wrestling fan, it really is. It's 886 00:44:54.000 --> 00:44:55.199 it's the way it used to be, and it's the 887 00:44:55.199 --> 00:44:57.599 way it should be. It should be the Thanksgiving Eve 888 00:44:57.719 --> 00:44:58.840 or the Thanksgiving Day tradition. 889 00:44:58.960 --> 00:44:59.079 Right. 890 00:44:59.159 --> 00:45:02.239 Doesn't this make sense, especially in an era when they're 891 00:45:02.239 --> 00:45:04.280 willing to put Royal rumble in fucking February. 892 00:45:05.039 --> 00:45:07.199 It's so, it's just so. 893 00:45:07.480 --> 00:45:09.400 The live call coming your way as the art of 894 00:45:09.440 --> 00:45:13.400 war games continue, speaking of Ersten Wylt left journeys, indeed 895 00:45:13.599 --> 00:45:15.960 as the Bloodline exploads in the in the War Games Cage, 896 00:45:16.760 --> 00:45:18.840 and we'll also being with you for the return of 897 00:45:18.880 --> 00:45:21.800 Saturday Night's main event, These war Games, Saturday Night's main event. 898 00:45:21.880 --> 00:45:24.159 These things keep coming back, not because we're right when 899 00:45:24.199 --> 00:45:26.320 we say it used to be better, but because we're. 900 00:45:26.400 --> 00:45:29.840 Wrong, because we're because it's it's just it's just a 901 00:45:29.880 --> 00:45:31.199 happy coincident, Yeah. 902 00:45:31.000 --> 00:45:33.159 Exactly, and we need to really stop taking credit for 903 00:45:33.280 --> 00:45:37.559 the seven hundred things that happen thing, all right, And then, 904 00:45:37.599 --> 00:45:40.079 of course we plan to be with you for the 905 00:45:40.119 --> 00:45:42.599 aforementioned first raw on Netflix. This is turning out to 906 00:45:42.599 --> 00:45:44.960 be quite a big thing, a new era. I don't 907 00:45:44.960 --> 00:45:46.719 know if you heard about the problems buffering with the 908 00:45:46.800 --> 00:45:48.920 Jake Paul Mike Tyson fight, Boss, but I look forward 909 00:45:48.920 --> 00:45:52.840 to being live and in color as they fail to 910 00:45:52.880 --> 00:45:54.000 deliver the stream. 911 00:45:54.440 --> 00:45:58.840 Absolutely listen. I I hope, what I hope happens is 912 00:45:58.880 --> 00:46:03.079 that they end up canceling it, like fifteen minutes in 913 00:46:03.360 --> 00:46:04.800 dand up just saying, you know what, we can't do 914 00:46:04.960 --> 00:46:08.719 this stream tonight. They'll keep the show live for you know, 915 00:46:08.719 --> 00:46:10.559 and they'll probably they'll eric some of the time, but 916 00:46:10.679 --> 00:46:12.280 like the live stream, it just can't happen. 917 00:46:13.280 --> 00:46:14.239 They'll literally give up. 918 00:46:15.119 --> 00:46:18.000 Yeah exactly. They're just like, just fucking we get it. 919 00:46:18.280 --> 00:46:21.599 We have to restart our servers, the whole fucking thing. 920 00:46:21.800 --> 00:46:23.719 Just forget it. Just forget it. By the time we 921 00:46:23.800 --> 00:46:27.679 restart every reboot everything, it's gonna be fucking midnight. Forget it. 922 00:46:28.559 --> 00:46:31.840 I try to find the exact quote, because I triple 923 00:46:32.000 --> 00:46:36.320 hu did not in gender confidence when asked about the 924 00:46:38.199 --> 00:46:38.599 the Street. 925 00:46:39.760 --> 00:46:42.360 He's he's such a fucking why would he He's a 926 00:46:42.400 --> 00:46:43.320 fucking idiot. 927 00:46:43.840 --> 00:46:47.079 Eddieone who's throwing cold water on this thing needs to realize, well, 928 00:46:47.320 --> 00:46:51.440 you know him cold water, So I made that one up, 929 00:46:51.639 --> 00:46:54.599 but the fact that you thought he said it. So 930 00:46:54.679 --> 00:46:57.360 they asked him about it on Greg in the Morning Buzz, 931 00:46:57.440 --> 00:46:59.519 which is a talk show, and they were talking about 932 00:46:59.519 --> 00:47:00.760 what happened to the Hall fight and you guys are 933 00:47:00.800 --> 00:47:02.400 going to Netflix, aren't you afraid when you're a live 934 00:47:02.519 --> 00:47:04.280 that people won't be able to see the show and 935 00:47:04.320 --> 00:47:07.000 it'll fuck up like that? And he says, you start 936 00:47:07.039 --> 00:47:09.920 putting sixty million households all at once on the streaming service. 937 00:47:10.159 --> 00:47:12.320 If our first night buffers, and they come and say 938 00:47:12.400 --> 00:47:15.079 there were sixty to seventy million households watching, I'll be 939 00:47:15.159 --> 00:47:16.000 good with the buffering. 940 00:47:19.480 --> 00:47:22.119 Well about the mic buffering or the bruce buffering or 941 00:47:22.159 --> 00:47:22.559 the whatever. 942 00:47:23.800 --> 00:47:27.119 The mentality that that portrays, you know, like instead of saying, now, 943 00:47:27.159 --> 00:47:29.000 it's not gonna happen because he's. 944 00:47:28.840 --> 00:47:32.760 Got no he's got no fucking clue, all right, that's 945 00:47:32.840 --> 00:47:34.079 the thing about it. He's got no. 946 00:47:34.480 --> 00:47:37.800 Collecting all these live gate records and all these things. 947 00:47:37.840 --> 00:47:40.599 He's collecting all these numbers like it, you talk, anyone's 948 00:47:40.639 --> 00:47:43.000 gonna give a fuck when finally someone's done with playtime. 949 00:47:43.119 --> 00:47:47.519 You know, nobody cares about the fucking all right, about 950 00:47:47.559 --> 00:47:50.400 the fucking numbers. They just want to watch the fucking show. 951 00:47:51.079 --> 00:47:53.519 And if you can't produce the fucking show numbers, what 952 00:47:53.719 --> 00:47:56.039 good are you? I mean, it's gonna be. 953 00:47:57.000 --> 00:47:59.199 I sat there and I didn't care about the politic 954 00:47:59.320 --> 00:48:01.159 and fight that much. It wasn't like something that I 955 00:48:01.280 --> 00:48:04.199 was like, I didn't have a million people over and 956 00:48:04.280 --> 00:48:05.880 the pressure you know what I mean that that can create. 957 00:48:06.599 --> 00:48:07.800 I didn't have any of that. But I was just 958 00:48:07.840 --> 00:48:09.800 like sitting there, like someone has to be fired for this, 959 00:48:10.599 --> 00:48:14.119 Like if you can't deliver a live stream in twenty 960 00:48:14.280 --> 00:48:17.639 twenty four in accordance with if you can't predict the 961 00:48:17.679 --> 00:48:19.320 amount of people that are going to watch something like this, 962 00:48:19.440 --> 00:48:22.039 then you are just useless at your job. That's the 963 00:48:22.119 --> 00:48:24.880 whole fucking point of coming out of pocket for something 964 00:48:24.920 --> 00:48:26.679 like this is you anticipate big numbers. 965 00:48:27.239 --> 00:48:29.159 Right, I mean, it's not like they haven't known about 966 00:48:29.199 --> 00:48:29.639 this shit. 967 00:48:29.920 --> 00:48:33.039 I mean we crashed the servers. Yeah, that's the problem. 968 00:48:33.760 --> 00:48:37.199 That's not the that's not the positive attribute. That is 969 00:48:37.559 --> 00:48:42.440 a negative externality. Right, should not have crashed the servers, right, 970 00:48:43.159 --> 00:48:45.519 Just I could not believe that this was happening, and 971 00:48:45.599 --> 00:48:48.039 I also couldn't believe that they didn't like apologize or anything. 972 00:48:48.039 --> 00:48:50.960 If they did, I didn't see it and heads didn't roll. 973 00:48:51.440 --> 00:48:53.239 I mean, if this happened ten years ago, it would 974 00:48:53.239 --> 00:48:56.320 have set the whole thing back twenty years. Honestly, Like, 975 00:48:56.440 --> 00:48:59.719 if something this big was on streaming before people were 976 00:48:59.800 --> 00:49:03.039 really comfortable with the idea of streaming mostly everything they watch, 977 00:49:04.159 --> 00:49:06.000 like back when only Netflix is really the only thing 978 00:49:06.039 --> 00:49:09.599 you streamed. Live sports would not have happened on streaming 979 00:49:09.639 --> 00:49:11.639 for another decade because because people would have been so 980 00:49:11.880 --> 00:49:14.800 reluctant to spend of course, oh. 981 00:49:14.760 --> 00:49:18.119 My god, absolutely listen, it would all be a dead thing. 982 00:49:18.440 --> 00:49:21.320 The audience would drive and fail, and the content producers 983 00:49:21.360 --> 00:49:23.000 would also be like, dude, I'm not gonna I'm not 984 00:49:23.039 --> 00:49:24.639 gonna pull this effort into something that people are just 985 00:49:24.679 --> 00:49:26.599 going to be all pissed off about for things totally 986 00:49:26.639 --> 00:49:29.679 beyond my control, like the technology. Yeah, yeah, you got 987 00:49:29.800 --> 00:49:31.440 to get that right, and if your Netflix, you really 988 00:49:31.480 --> 00:49:33.239 got to get it right. So I don't know, I 989 00:49:33.280 --> 00:49:36.360 mean exactly, because you're the fucking you're the fucking pioneers. 990 00:49:36.440 --> 00:49:38.320 They're paying so much for this stuff. They're paying so 991 00:49:38.440 --> 00:49:41.360 much for raw and what the reason it's worth it 992 00:49:41.480 --> 00:49:44.480 is because they see they see the opportunity to expand 993 00:49:44.519 --> 00:49:47.079 into live, live, sports, live all that, and we all 994 00:49:47.119 --> 00:49:49.719 know the premium ad rates that that can command. But 995 00:49:49.760 --> 00:49:51.400 if you can't get the stream right, Amazon hasn't not 996 00:49:51.440 --> 00:49:55.239 a problem in the NFL. Like, please stop it, stop 997 00:49:55.480 --> 00:49:57.840 making excuses, stop throwing numbers in my face. 998 00:49:58.239 --> 00:49:58.719 Get it right. 999 00:49:59.320 --> 00:50:01.000 And I'm not looking ford to sitting here for live 1000 00:50:01.079 --> 00:50:04.760 calls on Netflix in two years and we can't see 1001 00:50:04.800 --> 00:50:06.039 half the show. I'm not looking forward to. 1002 00:50:06.079 --> 00:50:09.920 That at all. Yeah, I am in a way. 1003 00:50:10.159 --> 00:50:13.199 Weren't you over my house when they did the first 1004 00:50:13.239 --> 00:50:16.000 Summer Slam on the network where Brock killed John Cena, 1005 00:50:16.079 --> 00:50:16.880 We didn't know what happened. 1006 00:50:16.920 --> 00:50:19.400 It just like froze, Yes, yeah, yeah, because we did 1007 00:50:19.440 --> 00:50:20.280 a live show after. 1008 00:50:20.119 --> 00:50:22.159 That froze and by the time this signal came back 1009 00:50:22.199 --> 00:50:23.599 Brock at the belt in the air, we didn't know 1010 00:50:23.599 --> 00:50:24.199 what the fuck appened. 1011 00:50:24.199 --> 00:50:29.000 Well, let's not forget too that that. Remember the first 1012 00:50:29.079 --> 00:50:33.320 WrestleMania Russemania thirty before we started doing the show, we 1013 00:50:33.440 --> 00:50:36.719 watched it at your house, that's right, And to kind 1014 00:50:36.760 --> 00:50:38.440 of like get an idea, it was like kind of 1015 00:50:38.480 --> 00:50:42.119 a planning session for for a Labs fan about that 1016 00:50:42.239 --> 00:50:44.559 and even that was a disaster. 1017 00:50:44.320 --> 00:50:49.280 Disaster, and that's twenty fourteen. It was unacceptable then, so 1018 00:50:49.480 --> 00:50:51.719 looking forward to that very much and so join us 1019 00:50:51.800 --> 00:50:54.599 for that. Wait, you know, for us the downside is 1020 00:50:55.039 --> 00:50:58.320 upside Okay, so oh for sure it's a disaster. Then 1021 00:50:58.440 --> 00:51:00.199 just as well go back and listen to when we 1022 00:51:00.320 --> 00:51:03.559 did the Return of the Wars remember that aw verus 1023 00:51:03.599 --> 00:51:06.039 n XT and we were up to like one in 1024 00:51:06.119 --> 00:51:08.280 the morning and it was like, this is not. 1025 00:51:08.639 --> 00:51:11.400 Crazy, this is not it. This will not be the 1026 00:51:11.519 --> 00:51:14.440 return of the two of the w W F WZW 1027 00:51:14.599 --> 00:51:18.519 going at it and no, no, now, it's about being 1028 00:51:18.599 --> 00:51:23.039 on Just forget it, say no more so. 1029 00:51:23.159 --> 00:51:25.599 Yeah, premium live calls available to you for your Patreon 1030 00:51:25.679 --> 00:51:27.480 dollar of course, ad free versions of the show. You 1031 00:51:27.559 --> 00:51:30.039 get certain shows a day earlier than anybody else. It's 1032 00:51:30.159 --> 00:51:32.360 it's more than worth it. And the under the Cinemat 1033 00:51:32.440 --> 00:51:35.559 proves that. Russell Mamia for the Mote Tier members. 1034 00:51:35.599 --> 00:51:38.000 Oh yeah, and if we just had our we just 1035 00:51:38.079 --> 00:51:41.360 had our Survivors series episode. 1036 00:51:41.000 --> 00:51:42.599 Tell the people what they're missing with they're not plugged 1037 00:51:42.599 --> 00:51:43.480 into the tip top tier. 1038 00:51:43.639 --> 00:51:47.880 Well you missed. You missed me and my mom watching 1039 00:51:50.360 --> 00:51:57.599 the Four Doinks, the quote unquote four versus Bam Bam, Bigelow, 1040 00:51:57.679 --> 00:52:02.239 Bastion Booger and the Headshrinkers, the ninety Vivor series. That's 1041 00:52:02.280 --> 00:52:02.840 what you missed. 1042 00:52:02.920 --> 00:52:06.239 And if you're saying that's what I missed sarcastically, then 1043 00:52:06.719 --> 00:52:08.920 say less we get we understand where. 1044 00:52:09.360 --> 00:52:13.599 Just because if you think that's that's nothing, you don't 1045 00:52:13.639 --> 00:52:22.239 know my mom, all right, because that's that's the key 1046 00:52:22.360 --> 00:52:30.280 there is watching my mom with her innocent, naive eyes 1047 00:52:31.679 --> 00:52:38.199 watching wrestling and you know, getting the kicker is she 1048 00:52:39.000 --> 00:52:40.920 when she gets into it. It's like, you know, we 1049 00:52:41.079 --> 00:52:42.960 we You can watch a couple of matches and I 1050 00:52:43.039 --> 00:52:44.559 always do. I always have a warm up match and 1051 00:52:44.599 --> 00:52:46.559 then we get into it, and by the time the 1052 00:52:46.599 --> 00:52:51.639 second match comes about, she's just you know, lost in it. 1053 00:52:52.519 --> 00:52:54.440 You know, she's lost in the world, like she can't 1054 00:52:56.000 --> 00:52:58.639 She's just what she sees is what's happening. 1055 00:52:58.920 --> 00:53:02.239 That's so wid Yeah, because people talk about that lot, 1056 00:53:02.280 --> 00:53:04.519 you know, suspension of disbelief and everything in his wrestling fans. 1057 00:53:04.559 --> 00:53:06.800 It's like I never feel like as a hardcore wrestling fan, 1058 00:53:06.880 --> 00:53:08.440 I never really lose sight of the fact that it's 1059 00:53:08.519 --> 00:53:12.079 not real. I feel very like intentional about suspension of disbelief. 1060 00:53:12.280 --> 00:53:14.880 It doesn't often feel like something that happens to me organically, 1061 00:53:15.000 --> 00:53:16.920 but maybe it does. When I look at people like 1062 00:53:17.000 --> 00:53:19.039 your mom and people that do like my parents, I 1063 00:53:19.079 --> 00:53:22.559 can remember like there is something magical about them starting 1064 00:53:22.639 --> 00:53:25.280 the night, like defying and snickering at the whole thing, 1065 00:53:25.639 --> 00:53:27.360 and like all of a sudden, the match hits in there, 1066 00:53:27.559 --> 00:53:30.320 like reacting like this bad guy is an actual bad 1067 00:53:30.360 --> 00:53:31.559 person doing bad things, right. 1068 00:53:31.840 --> 00:53:34.440 I mean, they're drawn into it. You know, That's that's 1069 00:53:34.480 --> 00:53:37.000 the beauty of wrestling. It's the beauty of really any 1070 00:53:38.079 --> 00:53:41.519 storytelling is when you suck people. It's like, honestly, it's 1071 00:53:41.599 --> 00:53:45.039 no different than reading a book. Yeah, and I'm kind 1072 00:53:45.079 --> 00:53:46.920 of like okay, okay, okay, and then all of a sudden, 1073 00:53:47.440 --> 00:53:50.559 I like get really excited and before I know it, 1074 00:53:50.639 --> 00:53:53.960 I've read thirty pages. I how fck I read thirty pages. 1075 00:53:54.000 --> 00:53:56.760 I can't read thirty pages if I try to. You know, 1076 00:53:56.960 --> 00:54:00.320 it's that kind of thing, that kind of feeling. And 1077 00:54:01.639 --> 00:54:04.920 you know, she listen, you know, we go to their 1078 00:54:04.960 --> 00:54:07.360 house for Thanksgiving. I'm sure we're gonna be watching some wrestling. 1079 00:54:07.039 --> 00:54:09.440 Aw's taglen has coming to be restored. The feeling Boss, 1080 00:54:09.480 --> 00:54:11.840 I think the feeling is very much restored in the 1081 00:54:11.880 --> 00:54:15.400 Moate tier. I would agree, because we're intentional about it, 1082 00:54:15.440 --> 00:54:17.559 and we won't stop until it's restored, at least in 1083 00:54:17.639 --> 00:54:19.599 our own hearts, which is all that really counts. And 1084 00:54:19.800 --> 00:54:23.880 so upon another American Thanksgiving, we are in the spirit 1085 00:54:24.000 --> 00:54:27.440 of issuing thanks and I can't think of any other 1086 00:54:27.559 --> 00:54:31.360 cohort that we're more thankful for than our Mote tier supporters. These, 1087 00:54:31.519 --> 00:54:33.679 I agree with the people that you know, go above 1088 00:54:33.719 --> 00:54:36.519 and beyond. There's a thing that they always say when 1089 00:54:36.920 --> 00:54:41.519 rich people complain that they're not taxed enough, which doesn't 1090 00:54:41.519 --> 00:54:43.800 happen often, but sometimes happens, you can always come back 1091 00:54:43.880 --> 00:54:46.519 and say, well, you can always pay more taxes than 1092 00:54:46.559 --> 00:54:49.519 you owe. That's an option available to you. And these 1093 00:54:49.559 --> 00:54:51.559 are the people who pay more taxes than they owe 1094 00:54:52.320 --> 00:54:54.239 for the effort that we put in. And so for 1095 00:54:54.360 --> 00:54:56.519 that reason, if nothing else, we need to serenade them 1096 00:54:56.519 --> 00:55:00.519 here upon this Thanksgiving, in celebration of TLFX, we're talking 1097 00:55:00.599 --> 00:55:03.559 about the roster. We're talking about Abel Lettier, We're talking 1098 00:55:03.559 --> 00:55:06.239 about Adam Graver, we're talking about e x three. We're 1099 00:55:06.239 --> 00:55:09.119 talking about Aiden Kivelhan and Alan Smith and Andrew and 1100 00:55:09.159 --> 00:55:11.719 Austin King, Salifer and Blake Downing and Brad and Brandon 1101 00:55:11.760 --> 00:55:14.519 Kaiser and Brendan Mow and Bren Erickson and Brian Blake 1102 00:55:14.599 --> 00:55:17.920 and Brian Hinz and Chris Awesome, Mike Hogan and Chris 1103 00:55:18.000 --> 00:55:22.000 Harris and Christopher Creva and Chuck Piacio and Coldstone, Steve Austin. 1104 00:55:22.280 --> 00:55:25.480 How about Daniel and David Camminster, David Style and Dennis 1105 00:55:25.519 --> 00:55:28.679 and Dominic Carrera, holl Cogen, Intern, Matt James, Irwin, Joe 1106 00:55:29.039 --> 00:55:33.400 de Tolve, John Francis, Justin Davenport, Kevin Mills, Christopher Craig, 1107 00:55:33.519 --> 00:55:37.599 Mark Dapper, Martin Ferguson, Marty Longhurst, Mike Hornicker and Monny 1108 00:55:37.679 --> 00:55:40.440 Davis Junior, Nathan pedro Rios. How about Pete Cosey and 1109 00:55:40.519 --> 00:55:44.239 Peter Rustling. Can't forget Robert Holtzhammer, Ryan balland Sam Fairbanks, 1110 00:55:44.360 --> 00:55:47.840 The Homie, Scott, Michael Ferry, Sean McGerr, Shane, Stephen Laird, 1111 00:55:48.320 --> 00:55:51.480 The sin Man ninety seven, The Pardon Me, The sin 1112 00:55:51.599 --> 00:56:01.639 Hitman ninety seven, toms At Nacio, tom Zach Madrass Zach Geller, 1113 00:56:02.639 --> 00:56:06.039 zvs Choir, the Homie. These are our ride or Dies. 1114 00:56:06.599 --> 00:56:09.239 These are the people that make podcasting worth it, and 1115 00:56:09.360 --> 00:56:11.559 you owe them as much thanks as we do this 1116 00:56:11.719 --> 00:56:14.400 Thanksgiving season for what we've created here at TLF. We 1117 00:56:14.440 --> 00:56:18.599 love all our patrons, but these folks. These folks put 1118 00:56:18.639 --> 00:56:23.239 fifties in the collection plate. Okay, yeah, yeah, they fucking 1119 00:56:23.320 --> 00:56:26.079 know how to nut up. They do quality when they 1120 00:56:26.119 --> 00:56:28.559 see it. They're out there and it's a list. We're like, okay, 1121 00:56:28.760 --> 00:56:30.440 you don't get it. Well, these people, what are you saying? 1122 00:56:30.440 --> 00:56:34.320 All these people are idiots? And in that vein, we 1123 00:56:34.440 --> 00:56:37.079 finally did it. We finally created a T shirt that's 1124 00:56:37.159 --> 00:56:39.639 for the non lapsed fan in your life. Oh yes, 1125 00:56:40.000 --> 00:56:42.480 great suggestion from the Solar System boss jumped on it 1126 00:56:42.599 --> 00:56:46.360 right away. Pro Wrestling Teas dot Com slash the laps Fan, 1127 00:56:46.400 --> 00:56:48.039 which of course is the gallery of all of our 1128 00:56:48.079 --> 00:56:50.880 t shirts available to you. Great holiday gifts for the 1129 00:56:50.960 --> 00:56:53.400 lapsed fan in your life, or to request one as 1130 00:56:53.400 --> 00:56:55.559 a TLF fan from a family member is a great. 1131 00:56:55.400 --> 00:56:59.320 Move, and I'm sure there'll be some Black Friday sale 1132 00:56:59.320 --> 00:56:59.800 coming up too. 1133 00:57:00.840 --> 00:57:05.960 They've moved a couple already presenting the lapsed wife line. 1134 00:57:06.119 --> 00:57:10.719 The lapsed wife. Okay, it's the lapse fan logo, but 1135 00:57:10.960 --> 00:57:16.320 with wife and underneath the quote why are you laughing? 1136 00:57:16.719 --> 00:57:20.000 This isn't funny? And there are two versions of it. 1137 00:57:20.280 --> 00:57:22.480 There are two versions of it. I've got the classic 1138 00:57:23.280 --> 00:57:26.159 red and white on a black T shirt, but I also, 1139 00:57:26.480 --> 00:57:30.400 you know, maybe your wife isn't into wearing a black 1140 00:57:30.480 --> 00:57:33.840 fucking T shirt, right, So there is a pink variation 1141 00:57:34.639 --> 00:57:38.239 with a It's a kind of like a hot pink 1142 00:57:38.360 --> 00:57:44.079 version with a light pink and white logo, so you 1143 00:57:44.159 --> 00:57:46.119 know you can do that. I mean, that's kind of 1144 00:57:46.239 --> 00:57:49.360 very stereotypically feminine. I'm not trying to do that. I'm 1145 00:57:49.440 --> 00:57:53.199 just you know, Unfortunately, I'll just say this, Unfortunately, for 1146 00:57:53.320 --> 00:57:56.320 some reason, Pro Wrestling Tea still doesn't allow us to 1147 00:57:56.480 --> 00:57:58.239 have like a color change. 1148 00:57:59.280 --> 00:57:59.400 You know. 1149 00:57:59.480 --> 00:58:01.039 There are a lot of wrestlers and stuff who have 1150 00:58:01.239 --> 00:58:03.079 the option to, like, I can put any of these 1151 00:58:03.159 --> 00:58:06.079 shirts in a different color, you know, and but we 1152 00:58:06.159 --> 00:58:09.079 don't have that option. So I just don't feel like 1153 00:58:09.119 --> 00:58:10.599 I was like, well, I'm gonna do the two easiest 1154 00:58:10.599 --> 00:58:12.599 ones right now. Maybe I'll have more down the line, 1155 00:58:13.039 --> 00:58:17.079 but you know, it just sucks that we don't have 1156 00:58:17.199 --> 00:58:17.760 that option, but. 1157 00:58:17.840 --> 00:58:20.639 I think the creation of this is proof positive that 1158 00:58:20.719 --> 00:58:23.920 this is. This is a cohort of people. The lapsed 1159 00:58:23.960 --> 00:58:26.119 wife is a thing. There may not be many, Oh 1160 00:58:26.239 --> 00:58:28.159 it is, it is, But like everything on the show, 1161 00:58:28.239 --> 00:58:30.800 it's not about I think there are many of any 1162 00:58:30.840 --> 00:58:34.960 of them. Yeah, yeah, I think so. I think there 1163 00:58:34.960 --> 00:58:38.639 are quite a few who are like, why, yeah, why 1164 00:58:38.679 --> 00:58:40.119 are you doing this with your time? And I think 1165 00:58:40.159 --> 00:58:42.400 it extrapolates. I think it's not just about listeners of 1166 00:58:42.440 --> 00:58:45.559 this particular podcast. It's listen, it's if you do anything 1167 00:58:45.800 --> 00:58:50.440 beyond casually watch wrestling, this is your wife, and especially 1168 00:58:50.559 --> 00:58:52.280 when you come at it for the perspective we do. 1169 00:58:52.480 --> 00:58:54.199 It's just it's part of the pain and shame of 1170 00:58:54.199 --> 00:58:54.639 the process. 1171 00:58:54.679 --> 00:58:55.079 My wife. 1172 00:58:55.159 --> 00:58:59.199 Absolutely, it's not funny. They're sitting there and they're laughing. 1173 00:58:59.280 --> 00:59:00.800 It's not even right. 1174 00:59:01.000 --> 00:59:04.599 I mean, this is I'll tell you, this is. This 1175 00:59:04.800 --> 00:59:07.639 is the exact it's not hold back here. This this 1176 00:59:07.880 --> 00:59:15.079 shirt is, honestly is the personification of when we've all 1177 00:59:15.400 --> 00:59:19.360 our families have gotten together and we Jack and I 1178 00:59:19.480 --> 00:59:24.239 start giggling about random, completely bizarre shit, and our wives 1179 00:59:24.360 --> 00:59:27.519 just sit there and are just they don't know what 1180 00:59:27.639 --> 00:59:30.519 to do. With them. So you have to eat. You 1181 00:59:30.639 --> 00:59:32.440 have to know what we're talking about. If if you're 1182 00:59:32.599 --> 00:59:34.920 if you're a married man in particular, you have to 1183 00:59:34.960 --> 00:59:37.519 know what we're talking about here, Like this is this 1184 00:59:37.679 --> 00:59:40.920 is the struggle to somehow retain your wrestling fandom. 1185 00:59:41.480 --> 00:59:57.360 It's the last fan wrestling podcast, the wrestling podcast that 1186 00:59:57.519 --> 01:00:15.880 knows the boys need their candy. It's the Lapsed Fans, 1187 01:00:15.960 --> 01:00:20.960 the Lapsed fan Wrestling podcast with Jack and and JP Soro. 1188 01:00:21.480 --> 01:00:23.719 I mean, think about the times that on the show 1189 01:00:23.800 --> 01:00:25.559 that Jack and I have done the kind of wordplay 1190 01:00:25.599 --> 01:00:28.880 ship that we do, you know, you know, and it's 1191 01:00:28.920 --> 01:00:30.519 like back and forth, but we do that, you know, 1192 01:00:31.480 --> 01:00:34.639 in person with people around you know, who wants to 1193 01:00:34.679 --> 01:00:35.159 be around that. 1194 01:00:35.400 --> 01:00:38.000 It's so true, Well we know it, we acknowledge it. 1195 01:00:38.039 --> 01:00:39.559 To be around that when when the two of us 1196 01:00:39.599 --> 01:00:40.800 are just busy entertaining our. 1197 01:00:40.760 --> 01:00:42.079 So you have to know, Like if you're in the 1198 01:00:42.119 --> 01:00:44.000 grocery store and someone what are you laughing at? And 1199 01:00:44.119 --> 01:00:46.519 you can't even tell them, you can't you don't know 1200 01:00:46.559 --> 01:00:48.280 what the first word to say is. That's what this 1201 01:00:48.440 --> 01:00:48.840 is about. 1202 01:00:49.599 --> 01:00:52.840 Listen. And I've told this too. I've been in that position. Absolutely, 1203 01:00:53.400 --> 01:00:55.679 I've been in that position listening to art it's your show. 1204 01:00:56.280 --> 01:00:58.679 I was listening to the fucking I was listening to 1205 01:00:58.920 --> 01:01:06.400 to uh R A w A shows and I something 1206 01:01:06.480 --> 01:01:09.480 we did just had me going. I was at a gym. 1207 01:01:09.960 --> 01:01:11.599 It was the classic thing. I was at the gym. 1208 01:01:12.280 --> 01:01:14.960 I was trying to do one of those you ever 1209 01:01:15.000 --> 01:01:17.119 see that, You know, you get those those half balls 1210 01:01:18.559 --> 01:01:20.320 and they're like soft on top, but it's got a 1211 01:01:20.320 --> 01:01:22.559 base at the bottom. Sometimes you flip them over you 1212 01:01:22.639 --> 01:01:25.239 try to balance yourself. Yeah. I was trying to do 1213 01:01:25.320 --> 01:01:32.760 that all right, and do squats okay. And I was 1214 01:01:32.840 --> 01:01:34.119 doing this one. I was doing Evil Dead. This is 1215 01:01:34.199 --> 01:01:37.400 years ago now, and and young woman who is next 1216 01:01:37.440 --> 01:01:39.639 to me and she's in the show, and all of 1217 01:01:39.679 --> 01:01:41.800 a sudden she sees me almost fall off the fucking 1218 01:01:42.760 --> 01:01:45.519 thing because I'm laughing so hard, and she says, oh 1219 01:01:45.599 --> 01:01:48.159 my god, what are you listening to? And I'm like, oh, 1220 01:01:48.719 --> 01:01:51.280 it's nothing, Oh my god. Do you imagine it's certainly 1221 01:01:51.360 --> 01:01:52.000 not my own show. 1222 01:01:57.880 --> 01:02:02.679 That's funny, it's certainly not my own show. Look, we 1223 01:02:02.800 --> 01:02:05.400 get it, we get what we're doing to you, and 1224 01:02:05.480 --> 01:02:08.000 this shirt is a recognition of that. We've met so 1225 01:02:08.079 --> 01:02:10.719 many great laps girlfriends and wives over the years, and 1226 01:02:10.800 --> 01:02:12.440 boyfriends and husbands. 1227 01:02:12.079 --> 01:02:14.599 And they're supporters. I'm not saying that that every everyone 1228 01:02:14.760 --> 01:02:16.119 is like that, they're supporters. 1229 01:02:16.119 --> 01:02:19.639 But it's just we know, we understand, man, we we 1230 01:02:20.079 --> 01:02:22.599 we have to somehow pour our heart into the show 1231 01:02:22.800 --> 01:02:25.639 and then pretend that we don't ever work on it 1232 01:02:25.719 --> 01:02:26.000 at all. 1233 01:02:27.719 --> 01:02:30.719 I'll tell you what to whoever. If anybody is getting 1234 01:02:31.280 --> 01:02:37.119 this for their wife for Christmas, please give me an 1235 01:02:37.159 --> 01:02:40.000 audio recording, all right, Please get an. 1236 01:02:39.880 --> 01:02:44.800 Audio promise that there's a promise if they're company to 1237 01:02:45.000 --> 01:02:45.239 hear that. 1238 01:02:45.280 --> 01:02:48.599 I need to hear. I need to hear the disappointment. 1239 01:02:50.880 --> 01:02:51.519 That's what I need. 1240 01:02:52.880 --> 01:02:55.079 What is you don't you don't expect me to wear this? 1241 01:02:55.199 --> 01:02:55.400 Do you? 1242 01:02:56.760 --> 01:02:57.599 Why did you give me this? 1243 01:02:58.519 --> 01:03:06.079 Put that question right under the other too. Seriously, it's 1244 01:03:06.079 --> 01:03:08.679 a it's a problem, boss, it is. We've been doing 1245 01:03:08.719 --> 01:03:10.920 it long enough that we're like full grown adults. 1246 01:03:10.960 --> 01:03:11.079 Now. 1247 01:03:11.119 --> 01:03:15.800 There's no excuse anymore like it is now one pathetic Yeah. 1248 01:03:15.679 --> 01:03:22.800 Oh yeah, I'm you know, forty three years old, and 1249 01:03:23.159 --> 01:03:26.960 I'm talking about trying to doing impressions of Randy Savage, 1250 01:03:27.000 --> 01:03:31.559 trying to get his fucking dick hard. It's normal behavior. 1251 01:03:32.000 --> 01:03:33.840 Doing body slam to with your toys. 1252 01:03:34.400 --> 01:03:35.960 My toys as I'm yeah, exactly. 1253 01:03:39.199 --> 01:03:40.519 I don't know what to tell you other than we're 1254 01:03:40.559 --> 01:03:43.440 all on this boat together and we can either sink 1255 01:03:43.519 --> 01:03:47.519 or swim together, but there's no third choice and progressingts 1256 01:03:47.559 --> 01:03:49.199 dot Com Slash the lapse Fano. 1257 01:03:49.519 --> 01:03:53.559 Also, we get some new some new SID line shirts up. 1258 01:03:54.119 --> 01:03:57.679 We talked about the it's up now the I'm either 1259 01:03:57.719 --> 01:04:00.599 eating waffles or I'm eating your face shirt is off. 1260 01:04:01.639 --> 01:04:03.559 Said Line. I wonder if JR were called the SID 1261 01:04:03.639 --> 01:04:04.119 clothes line. 1262 01:04:04.159 --> 01:04:10.800 That We've got the Udi Mania shirt, which is Paulcomania style, 1263 01:04:10.880 --> 01:04:13.239 but instead of red and yellow, it's blue and white. 1264 01:04:13.280 --> 01:04:15.840 It's really sharp. I like it a lot, and it's 1265 01:04:15.880 --> 01:04:17.960 what basically Vince promised him in ninety one. 1266 01:04:18.000 --> 01:04:22.239 Right exactly. And then we've got the Santa Monica said, 1267 01:04:24.079 --> 01:04:28.360 Santa Monica said shirt, which and I added to on 1268 01:04:28.440 --> 01:04:37.639 the bottom, I put the the sw R an s 1269 01:04:37.800 --> 01:04:41.159 w R logo, which is the SID World Ruler. 1270 01:04:43.199 --> 01:04:43.320 Uh. 1271 01:04:43.840 --> 01:04:45.679 I guess that is what I just decided to call it. 1272 01:04:45.800 --> 01:04:47.599 And the World's Rule Monica said. 1273 01:04:48.159 --> 01:04:49.800 The new World Ruler, right, it's what he is. 1274 01:04:50.280 --> 01:04:51.559 Well, he's the SID World Ruler. 1275 01:04:51.920 --> 01:04:55.360 He is and so wr the Vienna's shirts up there 1276 01:04:55.480 --> 01:04:57.800 for your consumption and so much. 1277 01:04:58.119 --> 01:05:03.840 We also got the the Church softball team, yes all 1278 01:05:03.920 --> 01:05:05.119 the shells. I mean, if you want to go way 1279 01:05:05.159 --> 01:05:07.639 back to we do have sid softball squad too, which 1280 01:05:07.719 --> 01:05:13.559 was sponsored by Michler's Deli and Sterling Golden Pharmaceuticals. And 1281 01:05:14.000 --> 01:05:19.960 I am V SMA. You gotta take it. I guess 1282 01:05:21.239 --> 01:05:23.440 you gotta take it. It was you gotta. I don't 1283 01:05:23.440 --> 01:05:25.199 remember what we had for a slogan for that one, 1284 01:05:26.840 --> 01:05:29.599 but yeah, the I am I am V SMA. 1285 01:05:30.599 --> 01:05:32.599 And of course for some premium. 1286 01:05:33.400 --> 01:05:33.599 Oh. 1287 01:05:33.679 --> 01:05:35.079 I was wondering if you had it. I didn't want 1288 01:05:35.079 --> 01:05:35.960 to call for it because I don't know. 1289 01:05:36.000 --> 01:05:36.199 It was. 1290 01:05:37.840 --> 01:05:42.239 Excellent, excellent. A long time listeners will know the story. 1291 01:05:43.079 --> 01:05:44.599 But yeah, and if you're looking to dial up your 1292 01:05:44.599 --> 01:05:46.920 apparel game, you know, beyond just a T shirt, which 1293 01:05:46.920 --> 01:05:50.320 you know we appreciate, uh, the Homie Dicky over Chopped 1294 01:05:50.440 --> 01:05:53.000 Teas and the lapsed fan store it Chopped Teas. You 1295 01:05:53.159 --> 01:05:56.079 just google that little puppy to find that one. Just 1296 01:05:56.159 --> 01:06:01.199 amazing stuff. High end merchandise, hoodies, hats, jackets, fanny packs, pants, 1297 01:06:02.039 --> 01:06:06.159 all kinds of of schwag. That's like serious, like legit, 1298 01:06:06.400 --> 01:06:10.639 like high end stuff, and just truly flattered by the effort. 1299 01:06:10.679 --> 01:06:13.079 Dickeye is put in on our behalf and on behalf 1300 01:06:13.119 --> 01:06:15.320 of others in the space, and we tip our cap 1301 01:06:15.400 --> 01:06:18.519 to him for being as entrepreneurial as he's been. It's 1302 01:06:18.559 --> 01:06:22.679 been really nice to be beneficiaries of his hustle in 1303 01:06:22.840 --> 01:06:24.719 his ingenuity. So reward that. 1304 01:06:27.159 --> 01:06:31.039 I'm waiting. I'm waiting for, you know, the right moment, 1305 01:06:31.760 --> 01:06:39.519 the right opportunity to where that lapse the varsity jacket. 1306 01:06:40.199 --> 01:06:41.679 It's a tough call, it is. 1307 01:06:41.800 --> 01:06:44.519 I mean, it's gotta be the right fucking moment, and 1308 01:06:44.559 --> 01:06:46.480 the weather has to be right. I mean, forget most 1309 01:06:46.480 --> 01:06:47.320 summer months. 1310 01:06:47.440 --> 01:06:47.559 You know. 1311 01:06:50.360 --> 01:06:55.559 Yeah, yeah, I mean it's not going to be the summertime, I. 1312 01:06:55.599 --> 01:06:58.000 Know, let's put it that way. It's a heavy piece, 1313 01:06:58.039 --> 01:06:58.880 it's a well made piece. 1314 01:06:58.920 --> 01:07:01.679 I was blown away with. It's a beautiful, beautiful jacket. 1315 01:07:02.719 --> 01:07:05.079 So all of that and more available to you. I'm 1316 01:07:05.079 --> 01:07:07.159 actually not sure if the jacket's there anymore. 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That's what I'm 1369 01:09:40.760 --> 01:09:43.760 talking about, dude, someone's paying to get into my house. 1370 01:09:43.920 --> 01:09:56.560 The fans of the World Wrestling Federation What Nope, I 1371 01:09:56.800 --> 01:10:02.199 understand something, dude. Yeah, which fans are you talking about? 1372 01:10:03.000 --> 01:10:03.800 Ceiling fans? 1373 01:10:06.720 --> 01:10:08.760 Well, first of all, I don't have any ceiling fans. Dude, 1374 01:10:09.199 --> 01:10:10.840 No way am I putting something above my head? 1375 01:10:10.960 --> 01:10:13.119 Well, all right, fine, that that stand up fan you 1376 01:10:13.199 --> 01:10:13.680 have behind you? 1377 01:10:14.079 --> 01:10:18.560 What brother, you're seeing as a fan in my house 1378 01:10:18.880 --> 01:10:19.960 standing behind me? Dude? 1379 01:10:20.960 --> 01:10:23.000 Yeah, you didn't put it there. 1380 01:10:26.119 --> 01:10:27.680 Brother. I have my doors locked. There's no way a 1381 01:10:27.680 --> 01:10:28.560 god can get in my house. 1382 01:10:28.640 --> 01:10:30.479 Dude, I said a fan, Terry fan. 1383 01:10:30.680 --> 01:10:34.520 I know, brother, a fan, a whok maniac? Dude, Did 1384 01:10:34.560 --> 01:10:35.520 you what. 1385 01:10:38.920 --> 01:10:39.119 I do? 1386 01:10:39.840 --> 01:10:41.479 I do kind of want to know what would happen 1387 01:10:41.520 --> 01:10:43.359 if you go to a whole cogaan autograph signing and 1388 01:10:43.399 --> 01:10:44.600 you get to the table and you just look at 1389 01:10:44.680 --> 01:10:45.199 him and go, did you. 1390 01:10:48.079 --> 01:10:49.720 I wonder what he would do? Honestly, don't know, I. 1391 01:10:51.680 --> 01:10:53.199 Don't think what he would do would be too far 1392 01:10:53.279 --> 01:10:57.760 away from what we're suggesting. He would look at you, 1393 01:10:57.920 --> 01:10:59.800 for sure and wait for you to say something. He'd 1394 01:10:59.800 --> 01:11:00.840 be on guard just a bit. 1395 01:11:01.279 --> 01:11:03.520 Yeah. Yeah, he would definitely know that something was up, 1396 01:11:04.279 --> 01:11:06.439 and that he definitely know that it's like, oh shit, 1397 01:11:06.439 --> 01:11:09.079 all right, I gotta get defenses going on here. You know, 1398 01:11:09.279 --> 01:11:11.119 you just look at him like a fucking battleship. 1399 01:11:11.159 --> 01:11:11.319 You know. 1400 01:11:11.439 --> 01:11:14.680 It's like all you know, everyone's getting behind their guns 1401 01:11:15.159 --> 01:11:16.119 and their wide glides. 1402 01:11:16.800 --> 01:11:18.760 Yeah, white glides. She look at him like, wait, did 1403 01:11:18.800 --> 01:11:22.239 you wait? And you start backing up with your unsigned 1404 01:11:22.279 --> 01:11:24.640 eight by ten. You start backing up like wa, and 1405 01:11:24.720 --> 01:11:26.640 you just like run out of the out of the store. 1406 01:11:29.479 --> 01:11:30.600 I'd love to see what you do. 1407 01:11:30.680 --> 01:11:30.800 Then. 1408 01:11:30.920 --> 01:11:35.800 Yeah, he would definitely have someone check around, sweep the sweep, 1409 01:11:36.439 --> 01:11:41.079 you know. But yeah, that's that's Those are things that 1410 01:11:41.359 --> 01:11:44.960 only left the imagination. But we're thankful for everybody who 1411 01:11:45.880 --> 01:11:48.199 patronizes us this way, no excuses. If you're looking to 1412 01:11:48.239 --> 01:11:50.399 get in shape, you can do it in a TLF 1413 01:11:50.479 --> 01:11:54.000 approved way with our friends at Titan Nutrition. That's a 1414 01:11:54.039 --> 01:11:57.880 TLF approved w h e Y by the way. Oh yes, 1415 01:11:58.600 --> 01:12:00.720 so a lot of that business commenced with let's get 1416 01:12:00.760 --> 01:12:05.239 back to someone who once played Santa. It's Goldberg and 1417 01:12:09.680 --> 01:12:13.479 why goldberg feud versus Sid is now firmly underway in 1418 01:12:13.600 --> 01:12:18.359 World Championship Wrestling, and the gamesmanship has begun, and there's 1419 01:12:18.399 --> 01:12:21.680 a famous episode. Have you ever seen the clip of 1420 01:12:21.840 --> 01:12:25.479 Sid standing on a pancaked vehicle, bouncing up and down 1421 01:12:25.560 --> 01:12:32.600 on its remnants. Excuse me what, It's not enough that 1422 01:12:32.680 --> 01:12:34.880 these two giants are going to collide. It's not enough 1423 01:12:34.920 --> 01:12:37.119 that they've built up an entirely fictitious wind streak for 1424 01:12:37.199 --> 01:12:40.119 Sid to rival Goldberg's. It's not enough that Goldberg's been 1425 01:12:40.159 --> 01:12:41.359 on the shelf and kind of a way I'm going 1426 01:12:41.399 --> 01:12:43.640 to make a big impactful return to finally challenge Sid 1427 01:12:43.960 --> 01:12:46.680 to the ultimate colossal showdown. We also have to sprinkle 1428 01:12:46.720 --> 01:12:51.600 in the suggestion that Goldberg is, let's say, sabotaging Sid's 1429 01:12:51.640 --> 01:12:55.000 motor vehicles in the parking lot of WCW events, and 1430 01:12:55.119 --> 01:12:57.600 one time, at the conclusion of an episode of Nitro, 1431 01:12:57.800 --> 01:13:01.239 Sid makes his way out into the parking lot and 1432 01:13:01.960 --> 01:13:04.960 finds his car flattened to the point that it's basically 1433 01:13:05.000 --> 01:13:08.920 as low as his ankles to the cement just completely compacted, 1434 01:13:08.960 --> 01:13:12.079 as if you know, put through a trash compactor, and 1435 01:13:12.199 --> 01:13:14.800 he thinks it's Goldberg. And that's not what's important. What's 1436 01:13:14.800 --> 01:13:17.960 important is the way in which Sid expresses his frustration, 1437 01:13:18.119 --> 01:13:22.000 his revulsion at having been victimized like this, long may 1438 01:13:22.079 --> 01:13:24.039 it go down in Sid Hall of fame moments. 1439 01:13:27.760 --> 01:13:40.039 Oh my god, goad woad bad go ba. 1440 01:13:45.279 --> 01:13:48.039 Do you see what I mean? Dey Han said a 1441 01:13:48.159 --> 01:13:50.479 script where he's supposed to act like somebody who is 1442 01:13:51.000 --> 01:13:53.319 beside himself had his vehicle being destroyed. 1443 01:13:53.760 --> 01:13:56.479 Well, okay, can I tell you My favorite part is 1444 01:13:57.680 --> 01:14:02.000 him saying Goldberg, where are you? Because I'm like, well, 1445 01:14:02.119 --> 01:14:04.640 it's like I love the if something like that happened 1446 01:14:04.640 --> 01:14:09.600 and you thought it was somebody, you'd run after them, right, 1447 01:14:09.760 --> 01:14:12.119 You wouldn't sit there and ask them where they are 1448 01:14:12.399 --> 01:14:13.920 and scream where they are? 1449 01:14:14.039 --> 01:14:14.720 Where are you? 1450 01:14:15.399 --> 01:14:17.479 He's screaming like he's looking for a dog that escaped 1451 01:14:17.520 --> 01:14:20.479 the house. He really is, I said, he doesn't want 1452 01:14:20.479 --> 01:14:23.800 to be found. That's the whole point of this operation. 1453 01:14:24.880 --> 01:14:25.680 I don't care. 1454 01:14:26.920 --> 01:14:27.720 Go bad? 1455 01:14:28.560 --> 01:14:30.000 Can you a mood bad? 1456 01:14:31.520 --> 01:14:33.279 Where you speak up? 1457 01:14:35.239 --> 01:14:35.600 Damn it? 1458 01:14:38.479 --> 01:14:39.680 Oh my god? 1459 01:14:40.399 --> 01:14:43.079 What go bad? 1460 01:14:43.920 --> 01:14:46.840 Whow bad. 1461 01:14:48.319 --> 01:14:48.600 Bad? 1462 01:14:49.720 --> 01:14:50.840 Go bad. 1463 01:14:54.159 --> 01:14:55.560 I can't, Guy, I can't. 1464 01:14:56.079 --> 01:14:57.720 I mean, what the fuck? 1465 01:14:58.279 --> 01:15:00.680 This is the September twenty seventh night, ten ninety nine, 1466 01:15:00.760 --> 01:15:04.520 nitro So still the bishoff kind of like you know 1467 01:15:04.720 --> 01:15:11.600 Sullivan precursor to Russo's arrival, Nash kind of dusty. Yes, 1468 01:15:11.720 --> 01:15:16.680 it's like an amalgamation of various failed prior to regimes 1469 01:15:17.399 --> 01:15:20.359 And this is just the direction they thought they needed 1470 01:15:20.399 --> 01:15:23.039 to go to build up Goldberg versus Sid first time. 1471 01:15:23.479 --> 01:15:24.199 Like what the. 1472 01:15:25.880 --> 01:15:30.199 Like does anyone ever scream like that when they find 1473 01:15:30.239 --> 01:15:32.800 their car and there's damage to it, You have to know, 1474 01:15:33.159 --> 01:15:34.079 squashed and stuff. 1475 01:15:34.119 --> 01:15:36.359 But if you have to know, if you hand Sid 1476 01:15:36.479 --> 01:15:40.000 material like this, he's gonna turn it into a complete mockery. Like, yes, 1477 01:15:40.680 --> 01:15:44.920 you don't give Sid a role like this. I just 1478 01:15:45.520 --> 01:15:47.920 I adore it. I adore it in everything receivable way. 1479 01:15:48.239 --> 01:15:50.840 I mean it is. It is easily one of the 1480 01:15:50.920 --> 01:15:52.199 fucking funniest things I've ever heard. 1481 01:15:56.079 --> 01:15:59.319 Oh my god, what car? 1482 01:16:00.119 --> 01:16:01.000 Go bad. 1483 01:16:03.279 --> 01:16:07.359 Go go? 1484 01:16:10.439 --> 01:16:13.479 Oh my god, what happened to my car? 1485 01:16:13.840 --> 01:16:16.159 In case you know the audience didn't get it that 1486 01:16:16.279 --> 01:16:17.560 something happened to Goldberg? 1487 01:16:18.680 --> 01:16:25.119 Where are you Goldberg? Goldberg? Goldberg? 1488 01:16:25.520 --> 01:16:27.439 I mean usually you just put like a prayer on 1489 01:16:27.800 --> 01:16:31.479 the funeral booklet. But for Sid, I guess that quote 1490 01:16:31.520 --> 01:16:34.439 will do. It's in like that cursive. 1491 01:16:34.119 --> 01:16:35.880 Writing on the back exactly exactly. 1492 01:16:36.680 --> 01:16:39.840 Oh man, So it's it's it's just as absurd as 1493 01:16:39.840 --> 01:16:41.479 you would expect it to be. It's just as full 1494 01:16:41.520 --> 01:16:43.960 of unnecessary twists and turns as you'd expect it to be. 1495 01:16:44.159 --> 01:16:46.520 But here's the kicker. By the time they finally get 1496 01:16:46.600 --> 01:16:48.800 to the match. By the time they finally get to 1497 01:16:48.880 --> 01:16:52.479 Halloween Havoc nineteen ninety nine, Russo and Ferrara have taken over. 1498 01:16:53.279 --> 01:16:56.000 They took over basically right before this show. And this was, 1499 01:16:56.119 --> 01:16:58.640 for all intents and purposes, the first w W pay 1500 01:16:58.640 --> 01:17:00.439 per view they booked. Now, they didn't say the card 1501 01:17:00.479 --> 01:17:03.439 out because the card had been pretty much established before 1502 01:17:03.479 --> 01:17:05.600 their arrival. But when it came time to figuring out 1503 01:17:05.600 --> 01:17:08.279 how it would play out and finishes and stuff, that's okay. 1504 01:17:08.359 --> 01:17:10.199 Look no further than the fact that when Hogan gets 1505 01:17:10.199 --> 01:17:11.960 in the ring with Sting, he lays down and takes 1506 01:17:12.000 --> 01:17:15.800 the fall for Sting and walks away. My favorite thing 1507 01:17:15.840 --> 01:17:17.319 to point out when people act like Bash at the 1508 01:17:17.319 --> 01:17:19.239 Beach two thousand was like this thing that had never 1509 01:17:19.319 --> 01:17:22.520 been conceived of before and wrestling when Russo already did 1510 01:17:22.560 --> 01:17:26.520 it in October of the year before, to Hogan to 1511 01:17:26.560 --> 01:17:27.760 figure out a way to get him out of the 1512 01:17:27.800 --> 01:17:30.239 picture for a little while. And so it's going to 1513 01:17:30.279 --> 01:17:34.720 get really, really silly because now you have Russo and 1514 01:17:34.800 --> 01:17:37.920 Ferrara with the reins and they're not they're not booking 1515 01:17:38.000 --> 01:17:40.520 to matches they created. They're having to work backwards and 1516 01:17:40.600 --> 01:17:44.239 find ways to spice up the presentation of what is 1517 01:17:44.279 --> 01:17:48.079 being handed them. And there's a famous nitro. I know 1518 01:17:48.159 --> 01:17:50.880 we've talked about it before. We may have even doved. 1519 01:17:51.239 --> 01:17:53.840 Do you remember the nitro where Kevin Nash comes out 1520 01:17:53.880 --> 01:17:54.640 in a SID mask? 1521 01:17:56.159 --> 01:17:58.000 No, No, I wasn't watching. 1522 01:17:58.119 --> 01:17:59.960 I think we did the nitro where he came out 1523 01:18:00.479 --> 01:18:03.640 and imitated Vince McMahon. I'm pretty sure we did that one, right, 1524 01:18:03.680 --> 01:18:04.159 You remember that? 1525 01:18:04.720 --> 01:18:06.479 Yeah, that horrifying mask. Right. 1526 01:18:06.680 --> 01:18:09.119 So this is in a similar vein he's wearing basically 1527 01:18:09.159 --> 01:18:10.439 a Sid Halloween mask. 1528 01:18:11.079 --> 01:18:13.399 What like, why does he do this? This is the 1529 01:18:13.479 --> 01:18:15.439 third time at least that I know of, that he's 1530 01:18:15.479 --> 01:18:15.760 done this. 1531 01:18:17.199 --> 01:18:19.319 Dres up his arn Anderson, Yeah, because he thinks he's 1532 01:18:19.319 --> 01:18:22.800 good at imitating other people. He doesn't even do their 1533 01:18:22.880 --> 01:18:24.840 voices though. No, he's not good at it at all. 1534 01:18:25.520 --> 01:18:28.239 But he's mister you know, every he has every Everyone 1535 01:18:28.359 --> 01:18:30.840 laughs at his stuff backstage because they're afraid to cross him, 1536 01:18:30.880 --> 01:18:33.880 you know, And so he misinterprets that is how hilarious 1537 01:18:33.880 --> 01:18:36.000 would it be. It's not unlike Triple H doing the 1538 01:18:36.079 --> 01:18:37.239 Rock as the Nation, remember that? 1539 01:18:37.880 --> 01:18:42.399 Yeah he did it once? Yeah, I sure did, right. 1540 01:18:42.479 --> 01:18:44.760 I mean that's the difference is that Nation is done 1541 01:18:45.119 --> 01:18:47.000 at least thrice here, and he would do it way 1542 01:18:47.039 --> 01:18:51.359 more if allowed to. So there's this segment with the outsiders, 1543 01:18:51.560 --> 01:18:54.479 who you know, Russo had a hankering for booking, is 1544 01:18:54.600 --> 01:18:57.079 like backstage troublemakers in those early night tros. That's the 1545 01:18:57.119 --> 01:18:59.520 best way I can put it right. And you know 1546 01:18:59.560 --> 01:19:02.760 they weren't rely wrestling. They were just like making sardonic 1547 01:19:02.840 --> 01:19:06.199 comments and creating chaos and disorder. And they were in 1548 01:19:06.279 --> 01:19:09.960 the ring and Sid comes out, pardon me, Nash comes 1549 01:19:10.000 --> 01:19:12.279 out with the Sid mask on. Haul is in the 1550 01:19:12.359 --> 01:19:17.199 ring with him, and Nash starts carrying on as Sid 1551 01:19:17.319 --> 01:19:19.680 and making fun of him and things like that, and 1552 01:19:19.760 --> 01:19:25.279 then Sid comes out and delivers canon, absolute canon. I'm 1553 01:19:25.319 --> 01:19:28.600 not talking cannon fodder like EXPLOSIVESM so c A N 1554 01:19:28.680 --> 01:19:33.039 O N. Okay, this is as Sid as anything will 1555 01:19:33.079 --> 01:19:36.119 play for you throughout the entirety of this look at 1556 01:19:36.159 --> 01:19:37.159 his life and times. 1557 01:19:45.680 --> 01:19:45.880 Here. 1558 01:19:47.399 --> 01:19:49.840 Yeah, the. 1559 01:19:55.279 --> 01:20:01.079 Outsiders got a little message for Big Si in Vicious. 1560 01:20:04.680 --> 01:20:11.640 Said, you're as dumb as your look, and I've got. 1561 01:20:11.560 --> 01:20:13.920 The bruise right now. 1562 01:20:23.800 --> 01:20:25.880 So Mass is making the said face and shaking his 1563 01:20:26.000 --> 01:20:27.760 head using a dun hon humble. 1564 01:20:32.199 --> 01:20:36.399 I am the ruler, I'm the worm. 1565 01:20:38.119 --> 01:20:44.479 He does a great said voice, doesn't he, And. 1566 01:20:44.600 --> 01:20:45.319 It off for you. 1567 01:20:45.600 --> 01:20:50.359 Come and look at the same time, Hoppy the US champion. 1568 01:20:51.279 --> 01:20:56.399 Right now they're making sit up to be an idiot. 1569 01:20:56.560 --> 01:20:58.319 You know that, so. 1570 01:21:00.279 --> 01:21:00.800 So one. 1571 01:21:01.039 --> 01:21:02.399 I'm a little slow. 1572 01:21:02.640 --> 01:21:10.159 See that, but I do now there's not wrong. 1573 01:21:10.319 --> 01:21:11.079 It's great stuff. 1574 01:21:17.279 --> 01:21:25.039 And I might look like a complete jackass, and I 1575 01:21:25.279 --> 01:21:28.319 might have the mind and brain of the fume. 1576 01:21:32.039 --> 01:21:35.079 Im No, hold. 1577 01:21:37.359 --> 01:21:40.720 Okay, people love it. 1578 01:21:41.680 --> 01:21:45.119 Yeah, I can tell now you might be able to 1579 01:21:45.159 --> 01:21:49.359 outsmark me and out thank me. And yeah I probably 1580 01:21:49.479 --> 01:21:59.359 can't get a complete make no bones about it though, Iam. 1581 01:22:06.560 --> 01:22:08.439 That that one was good. 1582 01:22:09.319 --> 01:22:10.880 So he's playing on the idea that that's all Sid 1583 01:22:10.960 --> 01:22:11.520 really says. 1584 01:22:11.600 --> 01:22:17.760 He is coup better fact, I'm just a complete idiot. 1585 01:22:20.239 --> 01:22:24.239 I apologize. This is his music on Peacock. I hate 1586 01:22:24.319 --> 01:22:29.960 it's so far, especially when he considers doudy seventy music 1587 01:22:30.119 --> 01:22:32.039 in this Rubb's actually kind of badass. 1588 01:22:32.439 --> 01:22:34.439 Yeah, loses w W NK music. 1589 01:22:34.520 --> 01:22:37.039 You're talking about that you can just push your man 1590 01:22:37.159 --> 01:22:38.359 his side so far. 1591 01:22:40.159 --> 01:22:45.640 Listen to what the man says. See you've suit me. 1592 01:22:47.399 --> 01:22:50.319 You're taking like, don't make it look like a jackass. 1593 01:22:59.039 --> 01:23:00.279 He knows, sup. 1594 01:23:00.479 --> 01:23:06.239 Tonight say gash just to wear any hallween costume you 1595 01:23:06.479 --> 01:23:06.920 want to. 1596 01:23:08.000 --> 01:23:11.319 But you know what, I know that you only half 1597 01:23:11.399 --> 01:23:12.439 the man that I am. 1598 01:23:15.560 --> 01:23:16.920 Get ready for it, and. 1599 01:23:17.039 --> 01:23:18.920 I have half the brain. 1600 01:23:19.279 --> 01:23:25.560 Continue you have to weave. 1601 01:23:27.359 --> 01:23:29.560 You're trying to make me look like a jackass. 1602 01:23:30.520 --> 01:23:35.119 Spread it stops tonight or for you home the road 1603 01:23:35.600 --> 01:23:36.359 to Dunc. 1604 01:23:36.600 --> 01:23:39.800 Don to have you wait Campanship of. 1605 01:23:39.960 --> 01:23:40.800 The world. 1606 01:23:45.279 --> 01:23:45.760 Tonight. 1607 01:23:50.520 --> 01:23:50.960 I mean. 1608 01:23:57.880 --> 01:24:00.840 I only you have to and that I am the 1609 01:24:00.960 --> 01:24:03.520 brain you do, and I have half the brain that 1610 01:24:03.640 --> 01:24:12.800 you do. What I don't know. I just thought you 1611 01:24:12.880 --> 01:24:13.840 might have some thoughts. 1612 01:24:13.600 --> 01:24:18.119 On it seems like a normal thing, not a GAF. 1613 01:24:18.720 --> 01:24:22.000 He's not wrong now if there's not say anything inaccurate. 1614 01:24:22.359 --> 01:24:25.039 If you have to see Scott Hall's face when he 1615 01:24:25.079 --> 01:24:26.880 says this, because they cut back to Whim. He turns 1616 01:24:26.920 --> 01:24:28.840 to Nash and like kind of covers his mouth, like 1617 01:24:28.920 --> 01:24:31.319 I believe he just said that Nash is under the 1618 01:24:31.359 --> 01:24:34.199 mask so he can hide it well enough, and Sid, 1619 01:24:34.279 --> 01:24:36.319 you can tell, kind of catches himself. But it's too late. 1620 01:24:37.560 --> 01:24:40.560 Now, why what was he? So? Here's the thing is 1621 01:24:40.680 --> 01:24:42.800 I don't understand though. Okay, so now I'm thinking about it. 1622 01:24:43.479 --> 01:24:45.800 So he says that you're half the man that I am, 1623 01:24:46.680 --> 01:24:49.039 and I have half the brain that you do. What 1624 01:24:49.279 --> 01:24:50.439 was he supposed to say? 1625 01:24:50.880 --> 01:24:51.840 Right, that's the question. 1626 01:24:53.319 --> 01:24:54.600 What was he trying to say? 1627 01:24:55.479 --> 01:24:57.439 I mean, I guess half the brain that I have. 1628 01:24:59.079 --> 01:25:03.600 You're saying, and I twice you have. You're half the 1629 01:25:03.680 --> 01:25:05.560 man that I am, and I have twice the brains 1630 01:25:05.600 --> 01:25:07.159 that you do. Maybe, he said, he maybe that's what 1631 01:25:07.159 --> 01:25:10.079 are you supposed to do? Yeah, twice the brains. 1632 01:25:09.760 --> 01:25:11.159 That you do? Right? 1633 01:25:11.199 --> 01:25:12.640 Of course he says it that way too. It's just 1634 01:25:12.720 --> 01:25:13.319 even funnier. 1635 01:25:14.079 --> 01:25:14.279 I know. 1636 01:25:15.359 --> 01:25:18.119 But boss, here's what I'm here to tell you what 1637 01:25:19.359 --> 01:25:20.600 It gets even more absurd. 1638 01:25:21.600 --> 01:25:22.560 How is that possible? 1639 01:25:22.800 --> 01:25:25.439 Because if we if we know anything about Sid by 1640 01:25:25.479 --> 01:25:28.199 this point, after all the analysis we've done. Is he 1641 01:25:28.319 --> 01:25:31.319 going to just accept to history? Is he gonna let 1642 01:25:31.359 --> 01:25:35.760 history simply record that he flubbed the line? Oh no, 1643 01:25:36.520 --> 01:25:43.439 what's he gonna do? I imagine that somebody let me 1644 01:25:43.520 --> 01:25:46.439 think here, Yeah, yeah, I want you to really marinate 1645 01:25:46.520 --> 01:25:49.319 on it. What would Sid do if he knew that 1646 01:25:49.359 --> 01:25:52.680 there was some gaff that he made that was completely 1647 01:25:52.720 --> 01:25:56.520 his fault, that he knew cast him in an embarrassing light. 1648 01:25:57.439 --> 01:26:00.319 Well, number one, he'd blame somebody else for it, yep, 1649 01:26:01.720 --> 01:26:06.680 And that maybe I don't know that somebody. I'm say, sham. 1650 01:26:06.800 --> 01:26:09.520 I was going out out to the ring. They were 1651 01:26:09.560 --> 01:26:13.960 playing my music, and all of a sudden, Eric Bischoff 1652 01:26:14.079 --> 01:26:17.600 comes over here and he says, you gotta say, you 1653 01:26:17.720 --> 01:26:22.359 gotta talk about his brain. I said, what brain? So 1654 01:26:22.479 --> 01:26:26.159 you gotta talk about Nash's brain. I don't understand. 1655 01:26:27.560 --> 01:26:32.199 He's he's never given me head and talk to you 1656 01:26:32.199 --> 01:26:33.319 about Pat Patterson's brain. 1657 01:26:33.399 --> 01:26:37.920 But well, you mean brain. 1658 01:26:39.680 --> 01:26:41.800 Well that's kind of the point, isn't. It's said that 1659 01:26:41.920 --> 01:26:43.640 you don't even know what the word means. And so 1660 01:26:43.760 --> 01:26:46.760 he was all flustered when he goes out there and 1661 01:26:46.960 --> 01:26:47.560 I don't even. 1662 01:26:47.439 --> 01:26:48.159 Know what I was saying. 1663 01:26:48.279 --> 01:26:51.079 You pretty much nailed it, man, I knew you'd come. 1664 01:26:51.319 --> 01:26:53.239 I knew you'd get it because we've spent too much time. 1665 01:26:53.880 --> 01:26:56.640 This is a guy that like he's got his he's 1666 01:26:56.680 --> 01:27:00.560 got his menu of stories that he tells to counteract 1667 01:27:00.680 --> 01:27:04.119 every single time he's been caught playing fast and loose 1668 01:27:04.399 --> 01:27:07.479 or being a moron. Okay, he's got a whole story 1669 01:27:07.560 --> 01:27:10.600 about how every injury was real and the doctor. I 1670 01:27:10.680 --> 01:27:12.600 didn't want to go into the doctor, and they made 1671 01:27:12.640 --> 01:27:14.000 me go to the doctor, and I told him I 1672 01:27:14.439 --> 01:27:15.800 I don't want to go to the doctor because then 1673 01:27:15.800 --> 01:27:18.800 they're not gonna let me wrestle. I don't want to 1674 01:27:18.840 --> 01:27:20.840 negotiate with you because I'm gonna say something and it's 1675 01:27:20.840 --> 01:27:22.960 gonna upset all that. You know, the way he sort 1676 01:27:23.000 --> 01:27:25.960 of reverse engineers circumstances, but he knows the menu of 1677 01:27:26.000 --> 01:27:28.359 things you're gonna ask him about. And this definitely came 1678 01:27:28.439 --> 01:27:30.239 up when he was on the shoot interview circuit after 1679 01:27:30.319 --> 01:27:33.359 his career was over. And you said it was Bischoff, 1680 01:27:33.399 --> 01:27:37.520 it was Russo actually Okay, But let's spend some time 1681 01:27:37.600 --> 01:27:39.880 here with how sid his countenance the fact that this 1682 01:27:39.960 --> 01:27:43.359 one goes down in history. Here is his explanation, Uh, 1683 01:27:44.239 --> 01:27:47.159 in one of his shoot interviews with R Video, I. 1684 01:27:47.319 --> 01:27:48.720 Just not you know us. 1685 01:27:48.840 --> 01:27:51.960 So first of all, you know, wasn't the genius every 1686 01:27:52.000 --> 01:27:56.680 boy putting out to be. And he set a poor 1687 01:27:56.840 --> 01:28:00.680 job or a different type of job. Then I thought 1688 01:28:00.920 --> 01:28:03.960 we all thought was sabotage. No one could be this 1689 01:28:04.199 --> 01:28:07.520 bad consistently. I get an example where in Little Rock, 1690 01:28:07.560 --> 01:28:10.399 and that's my home state, and I come out. They started, 1691 01:28:10.520 --> 01:28:13.600 you know, the hall champ and he had me come out. 1692 01:28:14.720 --> 01:28:17.560 Uh see, Kevin was dressed up by Bens mc mahan 1693 01:28:18.119 --> 01:28:19.960 and Scott was dressed up like someone else. 1694 01:28:20.000 --> 01:28:20.640 Can remember what was. 1695 01:28:22.920 --> 01:28:23.079 Say? 1696 01:28:23.119 --> 01:28:25.079 If the line was like this is a I'm not 1697 01:28:25.239 --> 01:28:27.520 as dumb as I down. I'm not as dumb as 1698 01:28:27.640 --> 01:28:29.960 you think I'm dumb. Something there's something really sad. And 1699 01:28:30.079 --> 01:28:32.439 I said, is this really what you want me to say? 1700 01:28:32.479 --> 01:28:34.600 Because this isn't gonna help us draw money? 1701 01:28:34.720 --> 01:28:39.520 Yeah, you know, but but Bill was guy's name. Don't 1702 01:28:39.680 --> 01:28:40.880 don't bush Bill Bush. 1703 01:28:41.640 --> 01:28:45.399 He come in now, Sid you're one of the leaders 1704 01:28:45.439 --> 01:28:48.600 here when I'm asking you to do everything they ask 1705 01:28:49.520 --> 01:28:51.560 because if you do it, then it looked like, you know, 1706 01:28:51.840 --> 01:28:54.640 everyone should do it. So I always had that and 1707 01:28:54.880 --> 01:28:56.640 I don't mind that's part of the deal. And if 1708 01:28:56.640 --> 01:28:59.279 I'm that well respected by the big guy, I'm saying, 1709 01:28:59.279 --> 01:29:00.960 I'm gonna do what you're asking me because you're paying 1710 01:29:00.960 --> 01:29:02.680 me a lot of money. So I did you know, 1711 01:29:03.000 --> 01:29:05.159 and that was those are silly things, you know. I 1712 01:29:05.319 --> 01:29:09.600 just didn't think that, you know, that had any reason 1713 01:29:09.680 --> 01:29:12.439 to be part of anything. There's a waste of time, 1714 01:29:12.760 --> 01:29:16.640 you know. Television is so important, you know, intepeted, you know. 1715 01:29:17.760 --> 01:29:19.239 But that's that's how I say. 1716 01:29:19.840 --> 01:29:35.680 He's a lapse fan wrestling podcast, the wrestling podcast that 1717 01:29:35.840 --> 01:29:39.279 knows the boys need their candy. It's the lapsed fan. 1718 01:29:53.960 --> 01:29:57.880 He's a lapsed fan wrestling podcast with Jack and Corneo 1719 01:29:58.279 --> 01:29:59.279 and JP Soo. 1720 01:30:01.279 --> 01:30:08.119 So he is proffering a version where Vince Russo scripted 1721 01:30:08.239 --> 01:30:10.840 him to say I have half the brain you do. 1722 01:30:11.760 --> 01:30:15.520 Not that he flobed the line, but that he was 1723 01:30:15.600 --> 01:30:17.239 for some reason scripted to say that. 1724 01:30:19.119 --> 01:30:23.800 And because that's what you know, I mean, who that's 1725 01:30:24.000 --> 01:30:25.960 I mean, that's just stupid, this. 1726 01:30:26.039 --> 01:30:28.800 Idea that he like, protested it and called it out 1727 01:30:28.840 --> 01:30:32.039 as counterproductive and did it anyway because he's just you know, boss. 1728 01:30:32.159 --> 01:30:34.199 The reason he delivered that line, because he's just too 1729 01:30:34.279 --> 01:30:37.880 much of a team player, right exactly, And it's you know, if. 1730 01:30:37.760 --> 01:30:40.640 That's player, that's why he has the contract he has. 1731 01:30:40.760 --> 01:30:42.600 If that's if that's the cross he has to bear, 1732 01:30:42.680 --> 01:30:45.479 then so be it. You know, if he has to 1733 01:30:45.600 --> 01:30:47.479 get in his car and a day off and drive 1734 01:30:47.560 --> 01:30:49.720 to a TV studio to shoot an interview for his 1735 01:30:49.880 --> 01:30:52.800 VHS release, then so be it. These are the these 1736 01:30:52.880 --> 01:30:56.159 are the things that heroes are asked to do, right, And. 1737 01:30:57.640 --> 01:30:58.920 That's such a asshole. 1738 01:30:59.000 --> 01:31:00.920 The fact that he couched everything that happened and the 1739 01:31:00.920 --> 01:31:03.159 whole Russo was there to kill ww thing is just 1740 01:31:03.279 --> 01:31:05.680 so rich because all that comes later, you know, like, 1741 01:31:05.760 --> 01:31:08.720 there's no way that this early in Russo's WCW run 1742 01:31:08.760 --> 01:31:09.159 people were. 1743 01:31:09.119 --> 01:31:11.119 Saying that about him, No way, right exactly. 1744 01:31:11.359 --> 01:31:13.920 That's things people say after WCW goes under and you 1745 01:31:14.000 --> 01:31:15.760 look back with retrospect, you say, what was he trying 1746 01:31:15.760 --> 01:31:16.279 to do? Anyway? 1747 01:31:16.319 --> 01:31:17.039 That was fucking weird. 1748 01:31:18.279 --> 01:31:22.680 But there's no way, in this host's opinion, that Hall's 1749 01:31:22.720 --> 01:31:25.000 reaction is an organic on that show. There's no way 1750 01:31:25.439 --> 01:31:29.000 that sid was supposed to say that. But that's that's 1751 01:31:29.039 --> 01:31:31.560 his that's his version, and bless his heart, he sticking 1752 01:31:31.600 --> 01:31:33.119 to it. He's just too much of a leader boss 1753 01:31:33.159 --> 01:31:35.439 to to not go out there and say that, even 1754 01:31:35.479 --> 01:31:38.319 though he remembered it so clearly in an interview. Did 1755 01:31:38.399 --> 01:31:41.159 you hear him recite from memory the actual line. What 1756 01:31:41.239 --> 01:31:44.079 did he end up saying? I'm I remember what he said. 1757 01:31:44.119 --> 01:31:45.199 I'm stupider than you. 1758 01:31:46.079 --> 01:31:49.199 Oh my god, I'm not. I'm dumber there. I'm dumber 1759 01:31:49.239 --> 01:31:50.119 than you think I'm dumb. 1760 01:31:50.479 --> 01:31:52.199 Yeah right, I'm dumbing that you think I am. 1761 01:31:52.359 --> 01:31:56.520 Okay, sid I'm dumber than you think I am. 1762 01:31:56.760 --> 01:31:58.439 I'm dumber than you think I am. 1763 01:31:58.960 --> 01:32:01.000 That would have been a better title for the Millennium 1764 01:32:01.039 --> 01:32:01.640 man VHS. 1765 01:32:01.680 --> 01:32:06.079 Really just see the thing is and it's real simple. 1766 01:32:06.239 --> 01:32:06.920 Yeah I wish it was. 1767 01:32:07.039 --> 01:32:10.520 You don't understand that I'm dumber than you think I am. 1768 01:32:11.960 --> 01:32:13.760 I've half the brain you do. 1769 01:32:14.319 --> 01:32:16.000 Why are they having you say this stuff? 1770 01:32:16.039 --> 01:32:18.600 Sid Well? 1771 01:32:18.800 --> 01:32:21.039 Why did Brusso script you in ninety five to say 1772 01:32:21.079 --> 01:32:22.920 can we do this again? So ja I can say 1773 01:32:22.920 --> 01:32:23.319 we're alive. 1774 01:32:24.039 --> 01:32:26.920 I don't make these mistakes. This is what I've been 1775 01:32:27.000 --> 01:32:30.640 told to do. I'm a team player. I'm not gonna 1776 01:32:30.680 --> 01:32:34.239 sit there. I'm not gonna argue with people who are 1777 01:32:34.319 --> 01:32:38.840 paying me big money to do a job, and I 1778 01:32:38.840 --> 01:32:41.399 don't do the job, right. We can get rid of 1779 01:32:41.439 --> 01:32:43.920 that one here in a bit. Definitely don't do the 1780 01:32:44.039 --> 01:32:46.960 job on top of it, so I have the brain 1781 01:32:47.039 --> 01:32:50.119 that you do. I mean, say no more, right, But 1782 01:32:50.239 --> 01:32:53.399 then he adds a whole other dimension to it by denying, 1783 01:32:54.000 --> 01:32:57.600 by denying, by prevaricating. It's just tremendous. It's as sid 1784 01:32:57.640 --> 01:33:00.439 as it gets, it's as pro wrestling as it gets. Mean. God, 1785 01:33:00.760 --> 01:33:04.359 of course we'll never know, right if if Russo scripted 1786 01:33:04.439 --> 01:33:06.920 the line, we'll never know will. 1787 01:33:06.880 --> 01:33:14.560 Be JP Brock Who it is? It is, Vince Russo, man, 1788 01:33:14.640 --> 01:33:18.079 And I am here to answer a question because you 1789 01:33:18.199 --> 01:33:19.840 have a question about the nitro. 1790 01:33:20.039 --> 01:33:25.720 When Nash came out in a sid mask, Yes. 1791 01:33:26.399 --> 01:33:30.439 Why is he yelling? Why the fuck is he yelling? 1792 01:33:30.520 --> 01:33:33.960 He's in he's alone, he's got a phone right in 1793 01:33:34.039 --> 01:33:35.880 front of him. Why is he yelling? 1794 01:33:39.600 --> 01:33:42.560 You know this guy, Jp, he didn't like me from 1795 01:33:42.640 --> 01:33:45.319 the beginning. Bro I'm from New York and he's got 1796 01:33:45.359 --> 01:33:48.000 a problem with that. That was made very clear to 1797 01:33:48.199 --> 01:33:49.359 me on Day one. 1798 01:33:49.359 --> 01:33:54.520 Bro day one in ninety five. Because you've known him. 1799 01:33:54.720 --> 01:33:56.399 Or the or the day one raw they did a 1800 01:33:56.439 --> 01:33:57.319 couple of years ago. 1801 01:33:59.199 --> 01:34:00.720 Old I do want to say, by the way, I 1802 01:34:00.800 --> 01:34:03.560 want to even though that this this cameo is directed 1803 01:34:03.600 --> 01:34:06.720 to me, I have not heard these yet. I actually 1804 01:34:06.800 --> 01:34:09.399 purposely did not listen to these ones. 1805 01:34:09.479 --> 01:34:12.000 It's good practice. Now, all right, Well that's great, because 1806 01:34:12.000 --> 01:34:14.520 I wanted to ask you. Do you expect Russo to 1807 01:34:14.640 --> 01:34:16.319 remember whether he scripted this or not? 1808 01:34:16.920 --> 01:34:23.760 Yes? Okay, JP, Bro, Look who it is. 1809 01:34:23.920 --> 01:34:26.319 It is Vince Russo Man, and I am here to 1810 01:34:26.520 --> 01:34:30.560 answer a question because you have a question about the nitro. 1811 01:34:30.720 --> 01:34:34.520 When Nash came out in a Sid mask and Sid 1812 01:34:34.680 --> 01:34:37.119 said to Nash, I have half. 1813 01:34:37.119 --> 01:34:38.880 The brain that you do. 1814 01:34:39.680 --> 01:34:42.439 Sid has said that it was scripted line. Is that 1815 01:34:42.760 --> 01:34:47.800 true or did Sid mess up? Scott Hole reacted like 1816 01:34:48.000 --> 01:34:48.760 it was legit. 1817 01:34:49.439 --> 01:34:50.600 I gotta be honest with. 1818 01:34:50.680 --> 01:34:51.880 You, JP, here comes. 1819 01:34:52.119 --> 01:34:58.720 I don't remember that being a scripted line. I honestly don't. 1820 01:34:59.319 --> 01:35:03.479 It could been Sid said it was, but Bro, that 1821 01:35:03.720 --> 01:35:07.000 was twenty five years ago, and it's really hard for 1822 01:35:07.159 --> 01:35:11.520 me to remember. I do not remember scripting that line. 1823 01:35:12.119 --> 01:35:15.840 I didn't think it was a scripted line. Sid thought 1824 01:35:15.880 --> 01:35:20.439 it was a scripted line. Unfortunately he is no longer here. 1825 01:35:20.560 --> 01:35:22.359 Rest in peace. I love Sid Man. 1826 01:35:22.439 --> 01:35:25.920 He was a great man a great individual individual. But 1827 01:35:26.039 --> 01:35:31.119 if you're asking me, I'm honestly answering. I don't remember 1828 01:35:31.760 --> 01:35:35.159 it being a scripted line, but it could have been 1829 01:35:35.439 --> 01:35:39.079 a scripted line. I'm not bailing out, JP, I'm just 1830 01:35:39.239 --> 01:35:40.560 telling you what I remember, Bro. 1831 01:35:41.119 --> 01:35:43.880 That is in my friend. I hope that helps you out. 1832 01:35:44.279 --> 01:35:45.119 Take care, will you? 1833 01:35:45.279 --> 01:35:45.600 JP? 1834 01:35:46.319 --> 01:35:47.880 Yeah, we'll get that done, Vince. Thanks love. 1835 01:35:48.000 --> 01:35:53.960 Oh my god, that is a nauseating, nauseating cameo. No, 1836 01:35:54.119 --> 01:35:54.800 it's not fine. 1837 01:35:55.279 --> 01:35:57.880 He tackled our question in great spirits. 1838 01:35:58.399 --> 01:35:59.079 What the fuck? 1839 01:35:59.399 --> 01:35:59.439 So? 1840 01:36:00.399 --> 01:36:03.119 I wonder if we hadn't said that. Sid later denied 1841 01:36:03.119 --> 01:36:04.680 it was a scripted line and just asked him if 1842 01:36:04.680 --> 01:36:06.239 it was a scripted line, if his answer would have 1843 01:36:06.239 --> 01:36:09.279 been different. But I think the calculation is like, if 1844 01:36:09.279 --> 01:36:11.399 you don't say that, then he'll like pretend I do 1845 01:36:11.399 --> 01:36:13.600 not remember it at all and not understand why you'd 1846 01:36:13.600 --> 01:36:16.479 even ask, and that there's a controversy here might might 1847 01:36:17.079 --> 01:36:20.560 cause one to lean in one way or another, and he, basically, 1848 01:36:20.600 --> 01:36:22.760 I think, is he's going to come as close as 1849 01:36:22.840 --> 01:36:24.640 he's going to to say that. No, of course I. 1850 01:36:24.840 --> 01:36:29.000 Scripped that right, right, I mean, honestly, he could just stop. 1851 01:36:29.000 --> 01:36:31.880 I don't remember scripting that line and that's it, you know. 1852 01:36:32.039 --> 01:36:34.159 Well, he the first thing he says is, I don't 1853 01:36:34.199 --> 01:36:37.520 remember it as a scripted line, right, So it's almost like, again, 1854 01:36:37.560 --> 01:36:39.720 he would have said it wasn't if he didn't, if 1855 01:36:39.760 --> 01:36:42.439 he wasn't made aware of the fact, if he didn't 1856 01:36:42.439 --> 01:36:44.800 know already, which Russa pays very close attention to a 1857 01:36:44.840 --> 01:36:46.960 lot more than you think, so he may very well 1858 01:36:47.039 --> 01:36:49.359 know that Sid has been I wouldn't. I wouldn't put 1859 01:36:49.359 --> 01:36:51.319 it past Russo to know that Sid has called that 1860 01:36:51.600 --> 01:36:53.960 a scripted line and act like he hadn't heard that 1861 01:36:54.079 --> 01:36:56.760 Sid had said that is my point, because he seems 1862 01:36:56.760 --> 01:36:58.560 to hear every little thing that's said about him. But 1863 01:37:00.399 --> 01:37:01.960 but the first thing he says, to be very clear 1864 01:37:02.039 --> 01:37:03.560 is I don't remember it being a scripted line. That's 1865 01:37:03.560 --> 01:37:04.800 good enough for me. You know, if you just like 1866 01:37:04.920 --> 01:37:07.439 isolated that quote alone in a story, yeah, it would 1867 01:37:07.439 --> 01:37:10.000 go down in history as absolutely was not scripted. Russis 1868 01:37:10.000 --> 01:37:12.159 said it wasn't. But then he kind of goes into, 1869 01:37:12.199 --> 01:37:13.640 you know, I understand that Sid thought it was, but 1870 01:37:13.720 --> 01:37:15.359 I don't remember that being a scripted line, and I 1871 01:37:15.399 --> 01:37:18.000 would think, you know, if you scripted or Sid to say, 1872 01:37:18.039 --> 01:37:19.720 I have half a brain, you wouldn't forget that. 1873 01:37:20.119 --> 01:37:22.079 I know you would not forget that if if if you, 1874 01:37:22.239 --> 01:37:25.760 because because not only would you not forget writing that line, 1875 01:37:25.840 --> 01:37:28.479 you'd also not you wouldn't be able to forget his 1876 01:37:28.600 --> 01:37:31.039 reaction to it, because who the fuck's gonna say okay 1877 01:37:31.840 --> 01:37:33.600 right away and just go with it like people are 1878 01:37:33.600 --> 01:37:36.000 gonna You're gonna have pushback on that kind of a line. 1879 01:37:36.079 --> 01:37:38.079 That's so true, and he this is a pushback that 1880 01:37:38.159 --> 01:37:40.640 Sid claims he actually had, you know, and if Sid 1881 01:37:40.720 --> 01:37:42.640 did react in the way he claims he did to 1882 01:37:42.840 --> 01:37:45.319 being to this being brought to him, of course he 1883 01:37:45.319 --> 01:37:48.159 would remember, right, you know, it's. 1884 01:37:48.119 --> 01:37:49.720 Uh, it's it's what you do. 1885 01:37:49.840 --> 01:37:51.239 You go to the guy who wrote the script to 1886 01:37:51.279 --> 01:37:52.920 ask him if it was a scripted line. There's no 1887 01:37:53.439 --> 01:37:55.600 there's no third perspective we could bring here. Really, of 1888 01:37:55.680 --> 01:37:58.760 course Sid's gone, that might sus all this out as 1889 01:37:58.800 --> 01:38:02.119 there h a j P. 1890 01:38:02.319 --> 01:38:02.880 It's nash. 1891 01:38:05.079 --> 01:38:09.000 Yeah, I mean, it's it's pretty hard not to remember 1892 01:38:09.079 --> 01:38:14.760 that one. Uh, you know, even even when it was live. Uh, 1893 01:38:16.279 --> 01:38:19.600 you know, it was like did he just say what 1894 01:38:19.680 --> 01:38:22.560 I think he said? And then you hear that that 1895 01:38:22.720 --> 01:38:29.920 peppering of of laughter. Uh, of course Scott you know, 1896 01:38:32.319 --> 01:38:35.039 didn't didn't give him any slack, and Scott said, there 1897 01:38:35.720 --> 01:38:40.239 worse laughed. But uh and then since then, you know, 1898 01:38:40.359 --> 01:38:45.359 there's been so much uh play of that at that 1899 01:38:45.520 --> 01:38:49.039 clip on social media that it kind of doesn't seem 1900 01:38:49.119 --> 01:38:54.399 like it's it's going away anytime soon. But uh, he 1901 01:38:54.560 --> 01:38:58.239 was such a sweetheart of a guy. Sets of the Earth. 1902 01:38:58.560 --> 01:39:00.319 We got in the back and he was just standing 1903 01:39:00.359 --> 01:39:06.640 there by grilla position, and uh, you know, I tried 1904 01:39:06.680 --> 01:39:09.000 to act like nothing happened. He goes, he goes, did you? 1905 01:39:09.119 --> 01:39:13.600 And I citizen did you? It was kind of like, 1906 01:39:15.840 --> 01:39:20.000 obviously I didn't do a very good job of of 1907 01:39:20.159 --> 01:39:24.960 flying because right behind me was was Scott, and Scott 1908 01:39:25.159 --> 01:39:29.000 you know, just yeah, had his time with it. So 1909 01:39:30.279 --> 01:39:37.640 but uh, yeah, I remember it like it was yesterday. Thankfully. Yeah, 1910 01:39:38.760 --> 01:39:42.960 thanks for the question. I'm actually a mile and so 1911 01:39:43.039 --> 01:39:49.439 it was it was nice to think of Sid. Appreciate it, man, 1912 01:39:49.800 --> 01:39:50.199 take care? 1913 01:39:51.560 --> 01:39:53.239 Wait what what what would what do you say? 1914 01:39:53.399 --> 01:39:55.079 He said? You know, I'm actually smiling because it was 1915 01:39:55.159 --> 01:39:57.920 nice to think about Sid for a second. Oh okay, 1916 01:39:58.159 --> 01:39:59.840 and we would be remiss to not point out what's 1917 01:39:59.880 --> 01:40:02.079 the common thread between those two cameos that they both 1918 01:40:02.119 --> 01:40:03.800 felt compelled at the end to say, you know, Sid 1919 01:40:03.920 --> 01:40:04.600 was just a great guy. 1920 01:40:05.239 --> 01:40:09.039 Yeah, right right, it's not. Well, listen, everyone whenever whenever 1921 01:40:09.119 --> 01:40:10.399 someone dies, they're a great person. 1922 01:40:10.479 --> 01:40:14.479 That's true, that's true. But I think the Pitler the same. 1923 01:40:14.800 --> 01:40:18.279 Come on, ref get in there. But I think, uh now, 1924 01:40:18.319 --> 01:40:19.640 I think they would have said it even if he 1925 01:40:19.680 --> 01:40:21.119 was still alive in that vein, because he was a 1926 01:40:21.199 --> 01:40:21.479 guy that. 1927 01:40:21.840 --> 01:40:24.479 It seems like he was. It seems like everyone liked him. Yeah, 1928 01:40:24.800 --> 01:40:30.199 it seems like he was a very likable individual, you know. 1929 01:40:30.479 --> 01:40:32.319 And I agree, I agree with that comment. From what 1930 01:40:32.399 --> 01:40:35.000 I know of Sid, that's alt of the earth comment. 1931 01:40:35.079 --> 01:40:36.640 He doesn't feels like that kind of an individual. 1932 01:40:36.720 --> 01:40:39.640 Yeah, I think that's well put. But there's your confirmation. Okay, 1933 01:40:39.920 --> 01:40:42.359 all that doesn't happen in Gorilla. If it was scripted, 1934 01:40:43.000 --> 01:40:44.399 Nash doesn't remember it that way. 1935 01:40:44.479 --> 01:40:48.439 If it was scripted, listen Nash, and listen, Nash is 1936 01:40:48.479 --> 01:40:52.680 gonna fucking know absolutely all that Nash holds onto that 1937 01:40:52.840 --> 01:40:55.520 kind of ship like it's fucking like with taki glue 1938 01:40:55.560 --> 01:40:55.720 on his. 1939 01:40:55.800 --> 01:40:57.640 Brain, members it like it was yesterday. 1940 01:40:57.760 --> 01:41:01.079 Okay, you think we rested, Yeah, you know, that's one 1941 01:41:01.119 --> 01:41:07.399 of that's a fucking nier. You don't forget Jesus Christ. 1942 01:41:07.520 --> 01:41:09.640 What the the way he described I want to know. 1943 01:41:09.800 --> 01:41:14.560 I want to know exactly what he does. I mean, 1944 01:41:14.600 --> 01:41:18.680 obviously he must like he does. He's he's doing something 1945 01:41:18.720 --> 01:41:20.199 before he does Cameos. 1946 01:41:19.840 --> 01:41:22.880 Tativa, yeah, and Little Wine probably. 1947 01:41:23.359 --> 01:41:23.520 Yeah. 1948 01:41:24.079 --> 01:41:26.039 I love that. That's when he fucking chooses to do 1949 01:41:26.199 --> 01:41:26.560 these things. 1950 01:41:26.640 --> 01:41:29.000 I don't think there's honestly, I don't think there's a 1951 01:41:29.079 --> 01:41:30.840 time where he's not in that situation. 1952 01:41:31.279 --> 01:41:33.520 Sadly, no fifteen minute version, though I was kind of 1953 01:41:33.560 --> 01:41:35.600 disappointed at the length when I saw it. I didn't 1954 01:41:35.640 --> 01:41:37.399 hear it, I didn't listen to it, but I saw 1955 01:41:37.479 --> 01:41:38.800 there was only two minutes or something like that. 1956 01:41:38.920 --> 01:41:40.239 Right, he didn't ask him about cinema. 1957 01:41:40.319 --> 01:41:41.560 That's the difference, That's true, A good point. 1958 01:41:41.680 --> 01:41:43.000 That's when he really goes nuts. 1959 01:41:43.359 --> 01:41:47.600 What he really knows about. That's his real education as post. 1960 01:41:47.439 --> 01:41:48.439 Of the things he actually did. 1961 01:41:49.039 --> 01:41:49.239 Yeah. 1962 01:41:49.840 --> 01:41:52.520 Yeah, just amazing, Just such a moment in time, So Sid, 1963 01:41:53.239 --> 01:41:55.199 I mean, this this run is so full of like 1964 01:41:56.239 --> 01:41:59.920 Sid class, It's like this run confirms everything we thought 1965 01:42:00.119 --> 01:42:01.880 and what we heard about sin and that every day. Yeah, 1966 01:42:01.960 --> 01:42:04.279 and before yes, he just ends up doing a whole 1967 01:42:04.319 --> 01:42:05.920 lot of things like Okay, yeah, that is what this 1968 01:42:06.000 --> 01:42:09.399 guy was and this is just amazing that this happened. 1969 01:42:10.000 --> 01:42:11.479 And you thought we were going to rest with that 1970 01:42:11.680 --> 01:42:13.880 half answer from Russo, No, we don't fucking stop. 1971 01:42:14.000 --> 01:42:15.600 No, no, no, no, no, we need the really need 1972 01:42:15.680 --> 01:42:16.000 the truth. 1973 01:42:16.479 --> 01:42:18.199 And in the fashion of tlf X, why are we 1974 01:42:18.279 --> 01:42:20.199 emboldened to do what it takes to go out and 1975 01:42:20.239 --> 01:42:22.960 get those answers. It's because we know that the solar 1976 01:42:23.039 --> 01:42:25.560 system is there as a backstop to make it worth 1977 01:42:25.720 --> 01:42:28.640 our while and to provide the funding even to do that. 1978 01:42:28.720 --> 01:42:31.399 These things aren't free, they're not prohibitively expensive, but it's 1979 01:42:31.439 --> 01:42:32.920 the kind of things it's like, you know, we'll go 1980 01:42:33.000 --> 01:42:36.000 the extra mile. We'll well, we'll pay that cost to 1981 01:42:36.079 --> 01:42:39.039 answer that question for sure. We'll source that material, no 1982 01:42:39.119 --> 01:42:40.359 matter how hard it is to dig up. 1983 01:42:40.439 --> 01:42:42.479 I mean, especially because it's a great you know, uh, 1984 01:42:43.039 --> 01:42:47.119 it's a great it's a great source. You know, the 1985 01:42:47.399 --> 01:42:50.479 these I mean, it's it's it's almost like getting the 1986 01:42:50.640 --> 01:42:53.520 interview at at a at a you know, like a 1987 01:42:53.520 --> 01:42:54.079 wrestle coan. 1988 01:42:54.199 --> 01:42:56.439 The way we go about it. It's the same thing. Yeah, 1989 01:42:56.439 --> 01:42:58.560 because we go with an agenda where we don't expect 1990 01:42:58.600 --> 01:43:00.279 to have more than five minutes of their time, so 1991 01:43:00.359 --> 01:43:02.960 we come with questions that only our listeners would want 1992 01:43:03.000 --> 01:43:05.680 us to ask, instead of asking the questions everybody else 1993 01:43:05.760 --> 01:43:07.159 is going to ask them. But you know, good for them. 1994 01:43:07.239 --> 01:43:08.840 It's great that they do, but that's not what we're 1995 01:43:08.880 --> 01:43:10.560 here to do. That's not our highest and best use. 1996 01:43:11.079 --> 01:43:13.119 So you're absolutely right. It's just it's just a brilliant 1997 01:43:13.720 --> 01:43:16.439 way in on these guys and to get their perspectives. 1998 01:43:16.520 --> 01:43:18.199 I mean, I think it's great. I think it really 1999 01:43:18.319 --> 01:43:21.439 is because it's easy. It's easy as fuck for them 2000 01:43:21.479 --> 01:43:22.680 to answer a question, you know. 2001 01:43:22.920 --> 01:43:26.359 Right, right, it's been easy also easy enough for them 2002 01:43:26.439 --> 01:43:29.159 to fucking collect a cup on our bikes exactly. 2003 01:43:29.279 --> 01:43:31.079 Yeah, that's what I mean for them, for them, because 2004 01:43:31.079 --> 01:43:33.640 that's how wrestlers think, right. It's like, how much can 2005 01:43:33.720 --> 01:43:35.880 I be paid for the minimal effort? You know, It's 2006 01:43:35.920 --> 01:43:37.600 not that I'm only going to put in minimal effort, 2007 01:43:37.600 --> 01:43:38.920 but I do want to know what the going rate 2008 01:43:39.000 --> 01:43:41.520 is on minimal effort before I calibrate how hard I'm 2009 01:43:41.520 --> 01:43:45.119 going to work at project decks and so long, long 2010 01:43:45.199 --> 01:43:47.880 may it continue. Thanks to your support thanks to uh 2011 01:43:48.199 --> 01:43:50.600 Vincreu's and Kevin Nash there for the reflections on Sid, 2012 01:43:50.680 --> 01:43:52.239 but that you know, we've heard from him, We've heard 2013 01:43:52.239 --> 01:43:54.680 from Devon, We've heard from Brad Hart. There's always that 2014 01:43:54.840 --> 01:43:57.000 thing at the end, you know, like Sid was great. 2015 01:43:57.479 --> 01:44:00.760 Sid was great, So we have have to acknowledge that, 2016 01:44:00.840 --> 01:44:02.840 even as we're kind of poking fun at some of 2017 01:44:02.880 --> 01:44:05.840 the moments where he revealed the sight of himself that 2018 01:44:05.920 --> 01:44:08.640 I think he'd rather have not. So we get to 2019 01:44:08.680 --> 01:44:11.520 Halloween Havoc nineteen ninety nine and it's a long awaited 2020 01:44:11.520 --> 01:44:15.039 Goldberg versus Sid Vicious match, highly anticipated. Like we said, 2021 01:44:15.199 --> 01:44:17.600 sure sure, Son Ferrara had the book at this point 2022 01:44:17.600 --> 01:44:19.880 in time, so it's going to be booked zanally and 2023 01:44:20.479 --> 01:44:22.840 we want color. But here's the thing. Okay, Sid has 2024 01:44:22.920 --> 01:44:30.479 never gotten color? What Sid has never gotten color? But 2025 01:44:30.520 --> 01:44:33.119 they want color in this match. Why is he never 2026 01:44:33.159 --> 01:44:34.680 got in color? It's a great question. 2027 01:44:35.199 --> 01:44:36.520 But was he never get in color? 2028 01:44:36.720 --> 01:44:36.760 No? 2029 01:44:38.279 --> 01:44:40.359 As you brack your brain trying to picture a moment 2030 01:44:40.439 --> 01:44:40.880 he did. 2031 01:44:40.880 --> 01:44:42.720 No, I've never seen him bleed, I guess. Yeah. 2032 01:44:43.039 --> 01:44:45.560 So you're watching Halloween Havoc ninety nine and way before 2033 01:44:45.600 --> 01:44:47.279 the match even happens. All of a sudden, they start 2034 01:44:47.319 --> 01:44:49.319 making reference to and they don't show it, but they 2035 01:44:49.359 --> 01:44:52.359 make reference to Goldberg having attacked Sid in the back, 2036 01:44:52.640 --> 01:44:55.720 which is very uncharacteristic of a baby face like Goldburg 2037 01:44:55.760 --> 01:44:59.119 to just assault his opponent before the bell sounds. But 2038 01:44:59.239 --> 01:45:01.079 for some reason, they're starting to tell us that there's 2039 01:45:01.119 --> 01:45:04.319 been an attack backstage and Sid has been laid out, 2040 01:45:04.840 --> 01:45:06.560 and the area where it happened. They point to some 2041 01:45:06.640 --> 01:45:09.720 blood droplets on the ground. And then when Sid comes 2042 01:45:09.760 --> 01:45:14.159 to the ring, he is he's cut and the juice 2043 01:45:14.199 --> 01:45:16.840 is flowing a little bit. Oh boy, And you ask yourself, 2044 01:45:16.880 --> 01:45:20.399 why is what are they doing here? Why does this prelude, 2045 01:45:20.800 --> 01:45:25.199 this preamble to the long awaited Goldberg Sid showdown necessary? Well, 2046 01:45:25.640 --> 01:45:28.199 it turns out, and he's confirmed this and shoot interviews. 2047 01:45:29.439 --> 01:45:32.479 Sid was rather skittish about blading. He didn't want to 2048 01:45:32.520 --> 01:45:36.760 do it. He didn't want to do it himself to himself. 2049 01:45:38.039 --> 01:45:40.600 He I mean, I can't imagine anybody who would want to. 2050 01:45:40.960 --> 01:45:43.800 Well that's true, I mean, but most wrestlers, if they're 2051 01:45:43.800 --> 01:45:47.239 going to get color, would rather do it themselves. I think, 2052 01:45:47.359 --> 01:45:50.560 then find some other way to have somebody else do it. 2053 01:45:50.680 --> 01:45:52.640 We know the problems that can cause. There are some 2054 01:45:52.760 --> 01:45:54.359 wrestlers who want the refs to do it. There are 2055 01:45:54.359 --> 01:45:56.239 some wrestlers who just can't bring themselves to do it. 2056 01:45:57.000 --> 01:45:59.479 We saw like Eric Kulass and Newjack. That's like the 2057 01:45:59.680 --> 01:46:02.119 ultimate extreme where you know, you might piss him off 2058 01:46:02.159 --> 01:46:04.079 and yeah he'll he'll get your color, all right, but 2059 01:46:04.119 --> 01:46:06.520 I'll also take this opportunity to scar you for life 2060 01:46:07.319 --> 01:46:10.800 because you pissed him off beforehand. All those X factors 2061 01:46:10.840 --> 01:46:12.640 are introduced when you have a third party do it. 2062 01:46:13.199 --> 01:46:16.840 I know, hey, I know, I know, big fan of. 2063 01:46:16.920 --> 01:46:19.279 That coming to a Saturday Night's Made event near you 2064 01:46:19.439 --> 01:46:21.520 by the way, is he really? I think so? I 2065 01:46:21.560 --> 01:46:22.920 think he's un commentary for the show in. 2066 01:46:22.920 --> 01:46:25.199 December, my fucking Christ. 2067 01:46:25.239 --> 01:46:26.000 And you not hear that? 2068 01:46:26.119 --> 01:46:26.239 Right? 2069 01:46:26.319 --> 01:46:33.960 Let's see Jesse Ventura right now? There are plans for 2070 01:46:34.039 --> 01:46:40.239 Jesse Ventura on the show. Yeah wow, yep, soil see 2071 01:46:40.239 --> 01:46:42.439 if it goes off, it doesn't, it's it's not reading 2072 01:46:42.560 --> 01:46:46.359 like firmly confirmed yet, but yeah it was out there. 2073 01:46:46.560 --> 01:46:50.760 So so what are we gonna do? How are we 2074 01:46:50.760 --> 01:46:54.279 gonna handle this? Still? Like Goldberg hasn't experienced blaming, you know, 2075 01:46:54.880 --> 01:46:58.319 he's never juiced, No, I don't think he's I don't 2076 01:46:58.319 --> 01:47:01.720 think he's bled on purpose before in wrestling. I don't 2077 01:47:01.720 --> 01:47:04.279 remember him ever juicing, and definitely not by this point. 2078 01:47:05.279 --> 01:47:07.880 No time he juices is when he fucking puts his 2079 01:47:08.000 --> 01:47:10.479 arm through a limo window and slices his tricycond half. 2080 01:47:10.560 --> 01:47:12.359 That's the most blood you've seen out of him. 2081 01:47:13.560 --> 01:47:15.600 So what do they who do they call? They call 2082 01:47:15.640 --> 01:47:23.079 it a surgeon. They had a surgeon backstage to numb 2083 01:47:23.479 --> 01:47:29.439 Sid's forehead and to cut his forehead with a presumably 2084 01:47:29.520 --> 01:47:35.920 with a scalpel. Is that not, again, the most Sid 2085 01:47:36.039 --> 01:47:37.000 fucking thing you've ever heard? 2086 01:47:37.880 --> 01:47:42.159 I mean it is. I don't understand. Yeah, why. 2087 01:47:43.520 --> 01:47:47.199 He just didn't want to do it to himself, But how. 2088 01:47:47.119 --> 01:47:49.000 Does that work. He's supposed to be in a match. 2089 01:47:49.800 --> 01:47:52.600 They did it backstage, so when he walked to the ring, 2090 01:47:52.680 --> 01:47:55.199 he's already cut, and that's why they have to do 2091 01:47:55.319 --> 01:48:00.079 this backstage angle ah where Goldberg attacks him, because it 2092 01:48:00.239 --> 01:48:02.479 doesn't want to do it live on the fly, So 2093 01:48:02.560 --> 01:48:05.479 they have to have a reason why he walks down 2094 01:48:05.520 --> 01:48:08.880 to the ring already cut for an attack we never see. 2095 01:48:11.199 --> 01:48:13.039 Can you imagine this surgeon be like all right, I 2096 01:48:13.119 --> 01:48:17.079 mean you want me to do what guys like I 2097 01:48:17.199 --> 01:48:18.399 have a lot to do here, Like, what do you 2098 01:48:18.439 --> 01:48:19.199 want me to do to this guy? 2099 01:48:19.239 --> 01:48:19.479 Sorry? 2100 01:48:19.640 --> 01:48:20.279 Do you wait? 2101 01:48:20.359 --> 01:48:20.399 You? 2102 01:48:21.399 --> 01:48:26.000 I'm sorry, somebody injured? Doc? Come here? Somebody step in injured, 2103 01:48:26.199 --> 01:48:26.960 I'm saying. 2104 01:48:27.039 --> 01:48:29.319 Stepping here, stepping mark stipping my office? 2105 01:48:29.399 --> 01:48:29.600 Doc? 2106 01:48:30.399 --> 01:48:33.199 The fuck is going on here? Why? 2107 01:48:34.880 --> 01:48:35.079 Well? 2108 01:48:35.600 --> 01:48:35.640 So? 2109 01:48:35.920 --> 01:48:37.640 So all right, So I understand I got called down. 2110 01:48:37.680 --> 01:48:41.479 I told told is an emergency call. So I came 2111 01:48:41.560 --> 01:48:45.319 down as fast as I could. What's Who's hurt? Who's hurt? 2112 01:48:46.439 --> 01:48:50.279 I'm not hurt, but if you do your job correctly, 2113 01:48:50.319 --> 01:48:50.760 I will be. 2114 01:48:52.960 --> 01:48:55.920 But if you do exactly what I say. If you 2115 01:48:56.119 --> 01:49:00.199 do exactly what I say, Doc, I will be here hurt. 2116 01:49:02.119 --> 01:49:03.880 But that's kind of an ethical sir. 2117 01:49:04.199 --> 01:49:08.560 I'm saying, Wait, you're not hurt, so you call me 2118 01:49:08.600 --> 01:49:11.880 down to get you hurt. That's exactly right. 2119 01:49:12.079 --> 01:49:13.479 But I know this stuff is fake and everything. 2120 01:49:13.520 --> 01:49:16.600 But wait a moment. I'm sorry, Now, this is just 2121 01:49:17.039 --> 01:49:20.560 just kind of get everything. This is You're you're a 2122 01:49:20.680 --> 01:49:24.479 pro wrestler. Is that right? You're a pro wrestler. I 2123 01:49:24.760 --> 01:49:30.039 am a professional entertainer, right, Okay. 2124 01:49:30.960 --> 01:49:34.439 I am a professional entertainer of the said vicious story. 2125 01:49:36.800 --> 01:49:40.319 Okay, okay, but you get in the ring right and 2126 01:49:40.439 --> 01:49:42.039 you do you do fake moves? Right? 2127 01:49:45.479 --> 01:49:47.600 Oh? They sure, they sure know how to pick them. 2128 01:49:47.680 --> 01:49:51.279 Not you had to get a doc like this for 2129 01:49:51.399 --> 01:49:54.039 God's sake. You couldn't find one that could skip all 2130 01:49:54.079 --> 01:49:55.359 this nonsense? 2131 01:49:57.600 --> 01:49:58.159 Can you ever? 2132 01:50:00.479 --> 01:50:01.119 Now? Doc? 2133 01:50:01.199 --> 01:50:04.439 I want you to look me in the eyes. I 2134 01:50:04.640 --> 01:50:09.960 want you to understand something that is real. Simple. Yes, 2135 01:50:10.119 --> 01:50:15.159 what I do is fake. Yes, what I do is 2136 01:50:15.319 --> 01:50:20.159 like a carnival. What I do is a joke. 2137 01:50:20.880 --> 01:50:24.600 What I do is like a carnival, he says, awesome. 2138 01:50:25.479 --> 01:50:28.199 But what I need you to do right now is 2139 01:50:28.279 --> 01:50:33.560 as real as against all Right, Okay, I guess So 2140 01:50:33.680 --> 01:50:36.520 what is it? What do you what exactly do you 2141 01:50:36.600 --> 01:50:40.159 need me to do? I want you to take your 2142 01:50:40.279 --> 01:50:44.640 scalpel and I want you to run it across my forehead. 2143 01:50:44.680 --> 01:50:49.479 Excuse me, excuse me? What you don't want to take 2144 01:50:49.520 --> 01:50:51.039 my scalpel and do what now? 2145 01:50:52.199 --> 01:50:54.960 I want you to run it from one end of 2146 01:50:55.039 --> 01:50:58.920 my head to the other and let the chrism crimson 2147 01:50:59.079 --> 01:50:59.960 float down my face. 2148 01:51:04.159 --> 01:51:06.720 Let the crimson. He's really clinical about it, is he? 2149 01:51:08.000 --> 01:51:10.239 I want you to let the crimson run down my face. 2150 01:51:10.359 --> 01:51:16.680 Dot sir, I'm sorry, I cannot do that. That is 2151 01:51:16.920 --> 01:51:19.640 completely I want you to look at me in the eye, 2152 01:51:21.079 --> 01:51:22.520 you stupid fuck. 2153 01:51:25.279 --> 01:51:26.560 Is the game we play, your hand? 2154 01:51:27.439 --> 01:51:30.560 The game we play is simple, dog, I told you 2155 01:51:30.720 --> 01:51:33.520 what would do is simple. Give me your hand. 2156 01:51:34.479 --> 01:51:38.439 Okay, ah Jesus, grab this scalpo. 2157 01:51:39.840 --> 01:51:45.520 Okay, give me your head again. What are you doing? 2158 01:51:45.800 --> 01:51:47.319 Stop it? Stop it? Stop? 2159 01:51:48.239 --> 01:51:50.720 No, no, stop it. 2160 01:51:51.119 --> 01:51:54.359 I'm putting you do this to my head? Do it? 2161 01:51:55.319 --> 01:51:55.520 Yeah? 2162 01:51:56.439 --> 01:51:56.640 Dad? 2163 01:51:56.800 --> 01:52:00.199 What do you stop stop doing? Oh? 2164 01:52:00.439 --> 01:52:10.720 God, sap, I didn't fuck what I'm out? 2165 01:52:11.279 --> 01:52:15.239 I don't know. I'm calling my lawyer, boss, boss. 2166 01:52:16.239 --> 01:52:17.359 Can I ask the question? 2167 01:52:18.439 --> 01:52:19.880 Can I ask the question? 2168 01:52:20.720 --> 01:52:20.880 Yes? 2169 01:52:21.279 --> 01:52:24.720 I think you know what the question is. How is 2170 01:52:24.800 --> 01:52:34.840 it that Sid is uncomfortable running a razor over his 2171 01:52:34.960 --> 01:52:41.439 own forehead, but yet is comfortable grabbing another man by 2172 01:52:41.520 --> 01:52:48.039 the wrist and having that hand cut his forehead with 2173 01:52:48.199 --> 01:52:54.760 a surgical grade tool. And I just case, just in case, 2174 01:52:54.800 --> 01:52:58.239 people got lost in the cacaphony there? What what exact 2175 01:52:58.319 --> 01:53:00.760 sound does it make when the scalpel finally makes contact 2176 01:53:00.840 --> 01:53:11.079 with the fleshy forehead of the revolutionary one? Well more time? Please? Sorry? 2177 01:53:13.560 --> 01:53:14.319 So fine? 2178 01:53:15.800 --> 01:53:18.920 So it's you know, it's a nice understated blade job. 2179 01:53:19.720 --> 01:53:20.760 So it's wet. 2180 01:53:24.199 --> 01:53:26.600 I mean, like the scalpel is like a mirror. That's 2181 01:53:26.640 --> 01:53:27.760 how shiny it is, you know. 2182 01:53:27.880 --> 01:53:30.359 Yeah, I mean it's also like one of the sharpest 2183 01:53:30.399 --> 01:53:31.560 fucking tools, right yeah. 2184 01:53:32.000 --> 01:53:33.640 And that's how you open someone up for surgery. And 2185 01:53:33.680 --> 01:53:34.119 it's cold. 2186 01:53:34.159 --> 01:53:38.800 I mean, you wouldn't need to do it hard to 2187 01:53:39.000 --> 01:53:40.079 get him cut open. 2188 01:53:40.359 --> 01:53:43.079 There is a doctor out there somewhere in the world, 2189 01:53:43.119 --> 01:53:44.840 and I hope he has hear she hasn't passed away. 2190 01:53:45.720 --> 01:53:50.039 Who showed up at Halloween Havoc nineteen ninety nine was 2191 01:53:50.119 --> 01:53:53.640 asked and did cut Sid's forehead open in the back purposely? 2192 01:53:54.239 --> 01:53:56.720 He cut his forehead open. There's no medical justification for it. 2193 01:53:56.800 --> 01:54:00.119 He just cut his head open. No Sid insist on 2194 01:54:00.279 --> 01:54:04.880 being numbed first. It's just the most sidthling I've ever heard. 2195 01:54:05.319 --> 01:54:07.720 To make a blade job this complicated, that you have 2196 01:54:07.800 --> 01:54:10.119 to do an angle and you have to get like 2197 01:54:10.279 --> 01:54:11.079 numbing agents. 2198 01:54:11.800 --> 01:54:13.520 I mean, that's the best part. He has to fucking get. 2199 01:54:14.199 --> 01:54:17.800 Like think about how fast Flair does it or I 2200 01:54:17.960 --> 01:54:20.039 know anybody does it, And he needs to fucking have 2201 01:54:20.199 --> 01:54:24.279 a whole scenario done exactly. And you wonder why these 2202 01:54:24.319 --> 01:54:26.000 guys remembered it's such a pain in the ass. 2203 01:54:26.199 --> 01:54:30.520 Yeah, And at some point, you know, it became about 2204 01:54:31.119 --> 01:54:34.319 not whether it's necessary, but whether he's got the power 2205 01:54:34.359 --> 01:54:36.880 to force everybody to do it. Yea, you know, whether 2206 01:54:36.920 --> 01:54:39.000 he's got the sway to have it done his way. 2207 01:54:39.479 --> 01:54:41.199 And once it becomes about that, he's never going to 2208 01:54:41.239 --> 01:54:41.560 give up. 2209 01:54:42.039 --> 01:54:42.159 Right. 2210 01:54:42.720 --> 01:54:45.800 So, as he told URF video, they came in early, 2211 01:54:45.920 --> 01:54:47.560 numbed me, cut me. We did a little deal in 2212 01:54:47.600 --> 01:54:49.680 the back where Goldberg would hit me, and they showed 2213 01:54:49.760 --> 01:54:51.840 that that was like a little uncertain thing in the 2214 01:54:51.880 --> 01:54:53.800 pay per view, and then went back sewed it up 2215 01:54:54.680 --> 01:54:57.840 and then went back to the ring. So he so 2216 01:54:57.960 --> 01:54:59.640 they cut it to grate the blood, and then they 2217 01:54:59.800 --> 01:55:03.279 so the cut back up. Oh so then when he 2218 01:55:03.319 --> 01:55:04.760 went back to the ring, all Goldberg had to do 2219 01:55:04.960 --> 01:55:06.399 is hit the stitch a couple of times. So I 2220 01:55:06.439 --> 01:55:09.039 don't know, I don't know what's what's harder. I don't 2221 01:55:09.079 --> 01:55:11.119 know what's worse. I think I know, I think this 2222 01:55:11.279 --> 01:55:13.439 is worse. I think it's worse to have someone cut 2223 01:55:13.479 --> 01:55:15.279 you and have your opponent punch you hard enough for 2224 01:55:15.359 --> 01:55:17.439 real in the cut that the blood flows again, versus 2225 01:55:17.600 --> 01:55:19.640 just nicking your own forehead. 2226 01:55:20.239 --> 01:55:22.159 I mean, I don't know. I mean, I don't I 2227 01:55:22.159 --> 01:55:24.560 don't certainly want to nick my own forehead ever right 2228 01:55:25.119 --> 01:55:29.039 on purpose, but at the same time, prolonging it like 2229 01:55:29.119 --> 01:55:34.000 this and making it so much more difficult and troublesome. 2230 01:55:33.680 --> 01:55:35.600 Just making someone just go up to your stitches and 2231 01:55:35.680 --> 01:55:44.279 go like this, right, huh, right in the stitch. Sid, Yeah, yeah, sid, 2232 01:55:44.840 --> 01:55:46.640 as he says. And then it didn't quite open up 2233 01:55:46.640 --> 01:55:49.000 as much as they wanted to at first, and then 2234 01:55:49.039 --> 01:55:50.960 they got me a couple more times. The referee did 2235 01:55:51.039 --> 01:55:54.439 so the referee fucking bleed him anyway. I've never done 2236 01:55:54.479 --> 01:55:57.359 that myself, he says. And so then it did open up, 2237 01:55:57.399 --> 01:55:59.000 and I never saw it, but I know I called 2238 01:55:59.039 --> 01:56:02.399 home that night. My family was in tears. It must 2239 01:56:02.439 --> 01:56:03.439 have been pretty scary looking. 2240 01:56:04.039 --> 01:56:04.399 And it is. 2241 01:56:04.520 --> 01:56:05.079 It is there. 2242 01:56:05.439 --> 01:56:07.640 The juice does flow. It takes a while, as he mentions, 2243 01:56:08.319 --> 01:56:10.520 but they do like a big brawl, mostly around ringside 2244 01:56:10.560 --> 01:56:13.880 and stuff. It's it's a very it's kind of like 2245 01:56:13.920 --> 01:56:15.600 a non it's kind of like a non SID match. 2246 01:56:15.640 --> 01:56:18.560 It's like a brody brawl. Yeah yeah, in a way. 2247 01:56:19.600 --> 01:56:23.199 And the reason this blood is so hyper necessary, it's 2248 01:56:23.239 --> 01:56:26.479 because for reasons I can only imagine, h Sid's not 2249 01:56:26.560 --> 01:56:29.159 doing the honors tonight one two three, No, sir, he 2250 01:56:29.279 --> 01:56:33.279 is not doing. They come up with this convoluted blood 2251 01:56:33.319 --> 01:56:37.560 stoppage finish where the match ends. Goldberg has declared the winner, 2252 01:56:37.640 --> 01:56:39.680 and he does look like a badass killer standing over 2253 01:56:39.760 --> 01:56:42.640 the bloodied corpse of Sid after he punches him enough 2254 01:56:42.640 --> 01:56:44.279 times in the head that the referee waves it off. 2255 01:56:45.199 --> 01:56:47.840 On its face, it makes Goldberg perhaps look are stronger 2256 01:56:47.880 --> 01:56:50.199 than a one two three. But as the match plays out, 2257 01:56:50.319 --> 01:56:52.880 and as Sid pops back up from this beating, and 2258 01:56:53.039 --> 01:56:56.760 Rick Steiner comes out, and they all stand around as 2259 01:56:56.800 --> 01:56:59.680 Sid springs back up like a spring chicken from this 2260 01:56:59.760 --> 01:57:02.760 beat down and starts walking up the aisleway and then 2261 01:57:02.800 --> 01:57:04.319 acts like he's going to come back to the ring. 2262 01:57:04.840 --> 01:57:07.560 And then Heenan immediately starts calling out how it wasn't 2263 01:57:07.640 --> 01:57:10.359 a loss for Sid because the referee waved it off. 2264 01:57:10.399 --> 01:57:13.279 Sid didn't quit. You can start to imagine, oh God, 2265 01:57:13.800 --> 01:57:16.359 so the whole way of getting cut was not the 2266 01:57:16.479 --> 01:57:19.119 only convoluted part of figuring this out. I don't think 2267 01:57:19.159 --> 01:57:21.479 Sid showed up to the building with any intention of 2268 01:57:21.560 --> 01:57:25.159 taking the jack camerra. Oh, of course, not any intention whatsoever. 2269 01:57:25.920 --> 01:57:27.520 And so we end up with here he didn't have 2270 01:57:28.199 --> 01:57:30.640 and he didn't obviously we don't we know he didn't 2271 01:57:30.680 --> 01:57:32.000 have any creative control. 2272 01:57:32.560 --> 01:57:35.000 Well, no, it's not in the contract, but yeah, but no, 2273 01:57:35.079 --> 01:57:37.000 if he's willing a walk, he pretty much does, right. 2274 01:57:37.039 --> 01:57:41.239 I mean, yeah, if they know that about the man, right, 2275 01:57:42.159 --> 01:57:44.640 and to have heenan like force that point out there, 2276 01:57:44.680 --> 01:57:46.319 to me, I don't know, just smacks of like a 2277 01:57:46.399 --> 01:57:49.359 negotiated settlement with Sid, like, Okay, here's how we get 2278 01:57:49.399 --> 01:57:51.800 the match in the ring, and we'll make short emphasize 2279 01:57:51.840 --> 01:57:53.600 on television that you didn't actually lose to the man, 2280 01:57:53.680 --> 01:57:56.000 because God forbid, that'd be the outcome. That would be ridiculous. 2281 01:57:57.880 --> 01:58:02.199 And you know, Sid wasn't He wasn't derogatory toward Goldberg, 2282 01:58:02.239 --> 01:58:04.359 but he wasn't necessarily complimentary either of a lot of 2283 01:58:04.399 --> 01:58:06.640 the things he said in a shoot interview is I 2284 01:58:06.640 --> 01:58:08.279 talked to him a few times about some things. And 2285 01:58:08.680 --> 01:58:11.159 I'm not saying I'm right about this, but we were 2286 01:58:11.159 --> 01:58:11.760 working together. 2287 01:58:11.880 --> 01:58:12.319 He was hurt. 2288 01:58:12.560 --> 01:58:13.760 There wasn't a lot he could do when he had 2289 01:58:13.800 --> 01:58:15.640 a couple of moves that he felt comfortable doing. So 2290 01:58:15.720 --> 01:58:17.239 I said, you know, I set up a few spots 2291 01:58:17.279 --> 01:58:19.279 to where we came into them differently, into the spot 2292 01:58:19.319 --> 01:58:22.279 differently like duck the clothesline or this or that or 2293 01:58:22.399 --> 01:58:25.000 turn around, that he wasn't getting whatever this bump he 2294 01:58:25.079 --> 01:58:27.680 was doing. He says, we already did that to me 2295 01:58:27.760 --> 01:58:29.760 in the ring, and I think to myself, Wow, this 2296 01:58:29.880 --> 01:58:34.600 guy's a little lost, because what do you mean we 2297 01:58:34.640 --> 01:58:36.920 can't lock up more than one time? Can't do more 2298 01:58:36.960 --> 01:58:41.159 than one headlock? To me, that's so juvenile. I'm not juvenile, 2299 01:58:41.199 --> 01:58:43.399 but that's the wrong word. But he just wasn't experienced. 2300 01:58:43.439 --> 01:58:45.600 He was the first to admit that though too okay. 2301 01:58:45.720 --> 01:58:47.079 He was the first to say, Hey, I don't know 2302 01:58:47.199 --> 01:58:49.439 what I'm really doing out here, and he still says that. 2303 01:58:49.520 --> 01:58:52.560 He said that in the Who Killed ww Vice documentary 2304 01:58:52.560 --> 01:58:54.840 as well. Goldberg, Yeah, I didn't know what I was 2305 01:58:54.880 --> 01:58:56.920 doing in the ring, and that allowed a lot of 2306 01:58:56.960 --> 01:59:00.399 people to a take advantage of me and be themselves 2307 01:59:00.399 --> 01:59:03.079 in a dangerous position while wrestling me because he had 2308 01:59:03.119 --> 01:59:05.399 no experience like I had or Hogan had. Sid says 2309 01:59:05.439 --> 01:59:07.720 things like that Bill was really being taken advantage of 2310 01:59:07.920 --> 01:59:09.239 from a lot of people that were able to take 2311 01:59:09.239 --> 01:59:11.800 advantage of him. So he had that little worry. Maybe 2312 01:59:11.920 --> 01:59:16.319 that was happening to him. When Sid would suggest certain 2313 01:59:16.359 --> 01:59:18.880 spots in the body of the match. Sid says, I 2314 01:59:18.920 --> 01:59:20.840 do remember one story. It's sort of funny, but this 2315 01:59:20.960 --> 01:59:23.600 goes along with beginners. We were coming out of Detroit 2316 01:59:23.680 --> 01:59:25.560 one time and this one thing, the finger thing, was 2317 01:59:25.640 --> 01:59:28.279 first implemented the fingering. I don't know what he means 2318 01:59:28.319 --> 01:59:31.960 by the finger thing, actually, so I was asking him, 2319 01:59:31.960 --> 01:59:33.720 we were talking about that, and he says to me, Sid, 2320 01:59:33.800 --> 01:59:36.399 you know, if I can just go one year or 2321 01:59:36.520 --> 01:59:40.399 five years more without anybody kicking out of the jackhammer, 2322 01:59:41.640 --> 01:59:46.319 I'll be Okay. You don't say that to Sid, do you, Boss. 2323 01:59:47.479 --> 01:59:49.039 That's like Dean Malinko asked him if he can do 2324 01:59:49.079 --> 01:59:51.199 a drop toe hold. Okay, you can't even ask Sid 2325 01:59:51.239 --> 01:59:52.800 to take a drop toe hold or else he's going 2326 01:59:52.880 --> 01:59:54.840 to come at you with. How about six power bombs 2327 01:59:54.840 --> 01:59:56.199 in the middle and you don't move? How about that? 2328 01:59:57.000 --> 01:59:59.600 Yeah? How about I fucking shove your head through the mat. 2329 02:00:00.000 --> 02:00:01.640 He was such a nice guy and such a team player, 2330 02:00:02.199 --> 02:00:04.199 right whenever anybody asks to get anything on him, he 2331 02:00:04.319 --> 02:00:07.039 just doubled down on the squash nature of the finish. 2332 02:00:07.079 --> 02:00:08.800 Ask van Hammer if you can find him about that. 2333 02:00:11.640 --> 02:00:14.199 And here's the thing about Goldberg. If no one kicks 2334 02:00:14.199 --> 02:00:18.000 out of the jackhammer for five years, Yeah, that would work. 2335 02:00:19.199 --> 02:00:21.840 That would work. I know it's a lot for one guy, 2336 02:00:21.960 --> 02:00:24.239 but it would work. Let's not pretend it wouldn't. So 2337 02:00:25.079 --> 02:00:28.239 I'll be okay, I don't want to. I left myself, 2338 02:00:28.319 --> 02:00:31.079 he says, Sid says, you want someone to kick out 2339 02:00:31.119 --> 02:00:33.039 of that because that'll make money. You want someone to 2340 02:00:33.119 --> 02:00:35.560 kick out of the jackammer. Oh God, here we go, right, 2341 02:00:35.640 --> 02:00:39.239 Jesus Christ, what do you fucking exactly? Apple doesn't fall 2342 02:00:39.319 --> 02:00:43.000 far from the tree. Jesus, that's the wrestling business. 2343 02:00:43.439 --> 02:00:48.760 Like you convince people that you know that that's screwing 2344 02:00:48.840 --> 02:00:49.560 them as a good thing. 2345 02:00:49.840 --> 02:00:55.039 Correct, Correct that somehow there's this there are these mythical rules, 2346 02:00:55.159 --> 02:00:57.920 this black magic about the wrestling business that I am 2347 02:00:58.000 --> 02:01:00.199 able to into it, that you're not able to into it. 2348 02:01:00.319 --> 02:01:04.000 Yet that makes the obvious absolutely not obvious. That makes 2349 02:01:04.079 --> 02:01:07.560 the intuitive counterintuitive. That you know, in fact the op 2350 02:01:07.680 --> 02:01:10.279 and every single time, for some reason, the rule always 2351 02:01:10.640 --> 02:01:13.439 seems to skew in the favor of the person who's 2352 02:01:13.479 --> 02:01:15.720 asking to get one over on me in the ring, 2353 02:01:15.800 --> 02:01:17.960 and never in my favor, Never do I stumble into 2354 02:01:18.039 --> 02:01:21.359 the mysteries of the wrestling business in a way that 2355 02:01:21.399 --> 02:01:26.119 benefits me just so. So emblematic of WCW would happened 2356 02:01:26.119 --> 02:01:29.119 to Goldberg and how incapable the superstructure was of adapting 2357 02:01:29.159 --> 02:01:30.560 to the fact that he was the only thing they 2358 02:01:30.600 --> 02:01:32.159 had that anyone gave a shit about by the end 2359 02:01:32.159 --> 02:01:35.720 of nineteen ninety eight, and they just they killed the 2360 02:01:35.760 --> 02:01:37.439 baby in the crib. They couldn't handle it, you know. 2361 02:01:37.800 --> 02:01:40.760 It's like, wow, yep, it's literally like you know, a 2362 02:01:40.880 --> 02:01:43.640 jealous like stepmom like strangling the baby in the crib. 2363 02:01:44.680 --> 02:01:47.560 And so there we go. Another example of it which 2364 02:01:47.560 --> 02:01:49.479 you want is someone to kick out of the jag camera. Oh, 2365 02:01:49.600 --> 02:01:52.600 of of course, never thought of that because that's money. Yeah, 2366 02:01:52.600 --> 02:01:54.880 it's money for you because now people want to see 2367 02:01:54.880 --> 02:01:56.560 you wrestling me again. But I'm money no matter who 2368 02:01:56.560 --> 02:01:59.079 I wrestle, so I don't give a fuck. It should 2369 02:01:59.079 --> 02:02:00.640 be the next guy. Like, there's no more money in 2370 02:02:00.720 --> 02:02:02.760 me wrestling Sid twice than there is in me beating 2371 02:02:02.800 --> 02:02:05.199 Sid and then taken on another guy. Maybe there is, 2372 02:02:05.439 --> 02:02:07.840 But the way they did this, this is what happens. 2373 02:02:07.920 --> 02:02:09.800 This is what you get as a wrestling fan when 2374 02:02:09.840 --> 02:02:13.600 you allow people to get this kind of surgical I 2375 02:02:13.640 --> 02:02:15.840 guess you could say, with how things play out, did 2376 02:02:15.880 --> 02:02:18.600 you get this nonsensical blood stoppage finished that Sid does 2377 02:02:18.680 --> 02:02:21.239 not sell at all, and you just end up with 2378 02:02:21.439 --> 02:02:23.880 like this messaging hitting you over the head that yeah, 2379 02:02:23.920 --> 02:02:26.000 Sid lost the match, but Kmodi didn't really lose the match. 2380 02:02:26.520 --> 02:02:28.800 So in other words, Boss fans are served by the 2381 02:02:28.960 --> 02:02:31.960 ultimate showdown that they've been building all these months between 2382 02:02:32.000 --> 02:02:33.319 Goldberg and Sid and WCW. 2383 02:02:33.760 --> 02:02:34.960 Yeah, totally. 2384 02:02:35.560 --> 02:02:37.600 During this run as well, there was a nice little 2385 02:02:37.640 --> 02:02:39.960 slice of moment, slice of life moment that we didn't 2386 02:02:40.000 --> 02:02:41.840 really know what to make of at the time it happened. 2387 02:02:42.000 --> 02:02:44.119 But there was a nitro not too far from Sid's 2388 02:02:44.119 --> 02:02:46.560 hometown where Sid was led to the ring by a 2389 02:02:46.640 --> 02:02:50.239 young man who appeared to have down syndrome or disability 2390 02:02:50.920 --> 02:02:54.119 or some kind of developmental problem. And it was a 2391 02:02:54.439 --> 02:02:57.439 Russo Nitro in late nineteen ninety nine. And it's just, 2392 02:02:57.520 --> 02:02:59.520 I don't know, just a little something worth highlighting about Sid. 2393 02:02:59.560 --> 02:03:02.319 The kid not to be his neighbor, Okay, a kid 2394 02:03:02.319 --> 02:03:05.560 who lived next to him in West Memphis and and 2395 02:03:05.880 --> 02:03:07.840 just was such a big Sid fan and just such 2396 02:03:07.880 --> 02:03:09.920 a fan of being around Sid in the wrestling business. 2397 02:03:09.960 --> 02:03:12.600 That Sid found a way to get WW to gree 2398 02:03:12.640 --> 02:03:14.000 to let this kid walk him to the ring one 2399 02:03:14.039 --> 02:03:15.720 time and do a backstage interview, and the kid was 2400 02:03:15.800 --> 02:03:18.199 hilarious doing like faces. I say, kid. I'm actually not 2401 02:03:18.239 --> 02:03:19.439 sure how old he was. He might have been like 2402 02:03:19.479 --> 02:03:23.359 a teenager or even like early twenties. But it's a 2403 02:03:23.359 --> 02:03:24.880 great moment if you can find that. It doesn't make 2404 02:03:24.880 --> 02:03:26.800 any sense in context, like they don't really explain it, 2405 02:03:26.880 --> 02:03:28.760 but Sid is just there. But it's nice to know, 2406 02:03:28.800 --> 02:03:30.760 all those years later what the story was there, and 2407 02:03:30.800 --> 02:03:33.359 that Sid just wanted to extend a hand and give 2408 02:03:33.399 --> 02:03:36.520 a moment in the limelight to somebody that that he 2409 02:03:37.199 --> 02:03:38.880 he thought deserved it and thought would get a real 2410 02:03:39.000 --> 02:03:40.840 kick and thrill out of it. So Sid had a 2411 02:03:40.880 --> 02:03:43.119 manager for one night, Boss and it wasn't Harvey Wipplman. 2412 02:03:43.840 --> 02:03:44.520 It's bizarre. 2413 02:03:44.920 --> 02:03:47.319 So we tip Burke can't just Sid. That's the part 2414 02:03:47.359 --> 02:03:49.079 of Sid that does the pop tops of the church, 2415 02:03:49.199 --> 02:03:51.960 you know, And yeah, all of that, you know, he 2416 02:03:52.359 --> 02:03:54.800 was wherever you might say about how he conducted his 2417 02:03:54.840 --> 02:03:57.640 personal affairs, he was a humanitarian. He did spend a 2418 02:03:57.720 --> 02:03:59.439 lot of time when he didn't have to talking and 2419 02:03:59.479 --> 02:04:04.600 thinking about out people other than himself or his immediate circle. 2420 02:04:05.560 --> 02:04:08.439 Very concerned with like poverty and childhood, poverty and things, 2421 02:04:08.520 --> 02:04:10.880 and he brought those things up enough over the course 2422 02:04:10.920 --> 02:04:12.920 of enough interviews that I think it's a genuine part 2423 02:04:12.920 --> 02:04:16.119 of who he was and not some put on like 2424 02:04:16.159 --> 02:04:18.399 it all so often is when wrestlers find religion later 2425 02:04:18.439 --> 02:04:20.920 in their lives, you know how that goes. It's really 2426 02:04:20.960 --> 02:04:23.279 confusing with sid because a churchman, a churchman, you know, 2427 02:04:24.560 --> 02:04:28.560 Saint Mary's Cathedral, pop Top, Vienna's all that. You would 2428 02:04:28.560 --> 02:04:30.520 think he was like a lifelong Christian man from down 2429 02:04:30.600 --> 02:04:32.680 that part of the country, but he wasn't. He was 2430 02:04:32.800 --> 02:04:35.119 very straightforward in his interviews saying he was never religious 2431 02:04:35.119 --> 02:04:37.960 growing up. You know, the man was born in Washington 2432 02:04:38.000 --> 02:04:41.199 State on an air base and moved around a lot, 2433 02:04:41.319 --> 02:04:42.960 and had a stepfather more than he had a father, 2434 02:04:43.039 --> 02:04:45.399 it sounds like, and you know, he didn't really have 2435 02:04:45.600 --> 02:04:47.960 like a very nuclear family life coming up in the world. 2436 02:04:48.000 --> 02:04:50.359 So he discovered this kind of spiritual side of himself 2437 02:04:50.439 --> 02:04:52.920 later on. And I just think every now and then 2438 02:04:53.000 --> 02:04:54.680 along this journey, we need to dip our cap to 2439 02:04:54.760 --> 02:04:57.159 that because that's the part of Sid, even if they 2440 02:04:57.199 --> 02:04:59.880 shouldn't necessarily remember that part of him as much as 2441 02:05:00.000 --> 02:05:03.239 they do forgetting everything else he did. Yeah, you know, 2442 02:05:03.319 --> 02:05:05.319 it's hard to it's hard to call a guy who 2443 02:05:05.359 --> 02:05:08.039 almost stabbed arnators and to death the great humanitarian. But 2444 02:05:08.119 --> 02:05:11.399 yet that's where we are. Yeah, I know, that's kind 2445 02:05:11.399 --> 02:05:14.119 of thing, like what the fuck right? You observe him 2446 02:05:14.680 --> 02:05:17.560 week after week in his prime and it's like, no, 2447 02:05:17.680 --> 02:05:20.680 this guy doesn't. This guy definitely didn't have the reputation 2448 02:05:20.800 --> 02:05:22.840 of that. It's like the SID they're describing just was 2449 02:05:22.960 --> 02:05:25.239 not evident to the wrestling fan while he was going 2450 02:05:25.319 --> 02:05:27.960 through the machinations of his years on top and the 2451 02:05:28.039 --> 02:05:32.000 companies he worked for. But that's wrestling. That's why it's 2452 02:05:32.039 --> 02:05:36.000 worth engaging with shoot interviews and books and things like that, 2453 02:05:36.159 --> 02:05:39.079 because you discover that the guy that you knew as 2454 02:05:39.119 --> 02:05:41.239 a fan was like only half of the person that 2455 02:05:42.560 --> 02:05:44.520 people in the business who worked with him and people 2456 02:05:44.520 --> 02:05:47.640 who knew him personally actually remember. So we're locked and 2457 02:05:47.680 --> 02:05:50.239 loaded on Sid now that the Goldberg programs out of 2458 02:05:50.279 --> 02:05:51.479 the way, and now he's going to be on his 2459 02:05:51.600 --> 02:05:54.479 way to being a world champion in WCW. As the 2460 02:05:54.560 --> 02:05:58.119 nineteen ninety nine becomes two thousand, so weird ass. I've 2461 02:05:58.359 --> 02:06:02.880 forwarded you a copy of World Championship Wrestling Magazine. We've 2462 02:06:03.079 --> 02:06:05.279 taken care throughout the course of this Sid journey to 2463 02:06:06.000 --> 02:06:08.920 use wrestling magazine coverage as sort of a signpost to 2464 02:06:08.960 --> 02:06:12.439 where Sid stood and his respective pit stops and wrestling. 2465 02:06:13.159 --> 02:06:15.279 He looked at one of the early WCW magazines when 2466 02:06:15.319 --> 02:06:17.399 he was coming out of the Four Horsemen and how 2467 02:06:17.439 --> 02:06:19.680 he was framed there. We looked at, you know, a 2468 02:06:19.760 --> 02:06:23.359 Vince Russo written WWF magazine article where he's carrying on 2469 02:06:23.520 --> 02:06:25.119 and on and kind of like a half shoot style 2470 02:06:25.239 --> 02:06:27.359 outside of the Cheers Bar in Boston, you remember that 2471 02:06:28.399 --> 02:06:31.479 bizarre and they had that focus issue of that magazine 2472 02:06:31.479 --> 02:06:33.800 they used to do just on him where he talked 2473 02:06:33.800 --> 02:06:37.039 about hunting and having taxidermy fucking deer heads on his 2474 02:06:37.119 --> 02:06:39.399 wall and all that shit. So it's a great way 2475 02:06:39.399 --> 02:06:40.800 to get to know more about the man. And here 2476 02:06:41.159 --> 02:06:43.479 at a time when the ww magazine was helmed by 2477 02:06:43.880 --> 02:06:47.079 former guest on the show, Kevin Eck, they took a 2478 02:06:47.199 --> 02:06:50.000 much more kind of shoot style approach in that the 2479 02:06:50.079 --> 02:06:52.560 stuff the wrestlers were saying in the pages of this magazine, 2480 02:06:52.760 --> 02:06:55.000 were very rarely about the storylines they were involved in, 2481 02:06:55.359 --> 02:06:58.159 and more about the legitimate nature of who they were 2482 02:06:58.199 --> 02:07:00.399 and where they saw themselves in the business, and wanted 2483 02:07:00.439 --> 02:07:02.680 to go very little in the way of speaking in 2484 02:07:02.800 --> 02:07:06.119 k fabe. In the Kevin Eck WCW magazine Days and 2485 02:07:06.199 --> 02:07:08.239 So here is an article that places us in a 2486 02:07:08.279 --> 02:07:12.039 particular point in time where Sid justifies front coverage from 2487 02:07:12.079 --> 02:07:14.279 page coverage in the WW magazine here in two thousand 2488 02:07:15.000 --> 02:07:17.319 and Uh, it's a great way to turn the page 2489 02:07:17.319 --> 02:07:19.960 into the new millennium for the millennium man, So Boston, 2490 02:07:20.359 --> 02:07:20.920 if you could. 2491 02:07:22.159 --> 02:07:28.239 Sid's world, Oh my god, that's horrifying. He's going to 2492 02:07:28.239 --> 02:07:30.560 see his face like he's just like he's on uh 2493 02:07:30.720 --> 02:07:34.000 oh yeah, he's on a four wheeler, all right, and 2494 02:07:34.159 --> 02:07:37.399 he's just like his face is beat red and he 2495 02:07:37.560 --> 02:07:41.000 has just got his mouth wide open, just screaming at 2496 02:07:41.000 --> 02:07:44.560 the top of his lungs, and it's very uncomfortable. 2497 02:07:44.560 --> 02:07:46.239 That's one thing. As camera friendly as he was, he 2498 02:07:46.479 --> 02:07:50.000 was still camera friendly. He was still photo friendly. 2499 02:07:50.880 --> 02:07:51.239 This guy. 2500 02:07:51.279 --> 02:07:53.479 There's some money shots of him holding like the globe, 2501 02:07:53.680 --> 02:07:55.119 like a psychled look on his face. 2502 02:07:55.239 --> 02:07:57.640 Yeah, I mean, he just he always looks fucking awful. 2503 02:07:57.840 --> 02:08:00.800 He's very uh in a good way. Yeah, yeah, he's 2504 02:08:00.920 --> 02:08:06.479 very photogetic. Twenty minutes northwest of Memphis International Airport, across 2505 02:08:06.520 --> 02:08:11.119 the Mississippi River sits Marion, Arkansas, a quiet country town 2506 02:08:11.239 --> 02:08:14.720 and the home of a WCW superstar. The setting seems 2507 02:08:14.800 --> 02:08:17.199 rather odd for a man of sid vicious nature, but 2508 02:08:17.319 --> 02:08:20.600 it's a peaceful and seemingly a world away from the hectic, 2509 02:08:20.760 --> 02:08:25.760 violent world of professional wrestling. Here Vicious can hunt, ride 2510 02:08:25.840 --> 02:08:29.039 his four wheeler, relax, and spend time with his family 2511 02:08:29.119 --> 02:08:33.640 without interruption. The great thing about Marion is you're fifteen 2512 02:08:33.680 --> 02:08:36.439 minutes away from Memphis, which is a big city with 2513 02:08:36.520 --> 02:08:39.520 all the luxuries of life, says Vicious, who lives in 2514 02:08:39.920 --> 02:08:44.039 the upscale River Trace section of Marion. He is a 2515 02:08:44.279 --> 02:08:47.279 five minute drive from the Griffin gas station. 2516 02:08:48.640 --> 02:08:50.000 Oh fascinating. Tell me more. 2517 02:08:50.520 --> 02:08:54.760 Fuck cares a oh a minute down the road from 2518 02:08:54.880 --> 02:08:58.439 the shake Shack. That's okay, all right, I'm with you 2519 02:08:58.520 --> 02:09:00.600 on that. One and two more and it's from the 2520 02:09:00.760 --> 02:09:05.760 Hallmark in All Rooms twenty nine ninety five. Vicious neat 2521 02:09:06.079 --> 02:09:10.840 two story home sits in an exclusive neighborhood. The interior 2522 02:09:10.960 --> 02:09:14.199 is conservatively decorated by Sid's wife, who owns an extensive 2523 02:09:16.399 --> 02:09:17.159 doll collection. 2524 02:09:17.560 --> 02:09:20.960 Oh boy, does she have any Sid dolls. 2525 02:09:21.239 --> 02:09:22.800 Like you, Matt? Oh, just can you just imagine, like, 2526 02:09:23.239 --> 02:09:25.119 you know, like one of those places where you get 2527 02:09:25.159 --> 02:09:27.760 dolls like on the bed, like the guest room, and 2528 02:09:27.800 --> 02:09:29.399 you get like dolls in the bed. 2529 02:09:29.279 --> 02:09:31.239 And there's always a doll in the in the in 2530 02:09:31.279 --> 02:09:31.720 the guest. 2531 02:09:32.319 --> 02:09:36.000 And she's like, you know, she's she's moved the head 2532 02:09:36.039 --> 02:09:38.000 so that the doll is like you're opening the door, 2533 02:09:38.039 --> 02:09:40.439 and the dolls are looking at you. Even though the 2534 02:09:40.479 --> 02:09:44.039 bed's not facing towards the door, the dolls are facing 2535 02:09:44.079 --> 02:09:45.119 towards you, and. 2536 02:09:45.159 --> 02:09:46.239 They all seem to be going. 2537 02:09:51.039 --> 02:09:56.680 La la la la, la, la, la, la la la. 2538 02:09:57.680 --> 02:09:58.760 Welcome to the Udi Home. 2539 02:10:02.239 --> 02:10:05.920 An upstairs room houses Sid's office. He owns a computer 2540 02:10:06.840 --> 02:10:11.560 and he has become familiar with the power of the Internet. 2541 02:10:11.760 --> 02:10:12.479 Don't say. 2542 02:10:13.840 --> 02:10:16.960 That's good, Jesus, what the same picture? And then I 2543 02:10:17.039 --> 02:10:18.920 gotta zoom out here for a second. I don't know 2544 02:10:19.000 --> 02:10:22.279 why this is May's Oh, I see what happened here? 2545 02:10:22.359 --> 02:10:27.760 Never mind, it's you got double page. He recently purchased 2546 02:10:28.000 --> 02:10:31.119 the right to sid vicious dot. 2547 02:10:31.039 --> 02:10:32.199 Com doesn't exist. 2548 02:10:32.239 --> 02:10:34.800 Anymore, of course not. He has keen. I'm sure it 2549 02:10:34.880 --> 02:10:38.119 never existed. Actually I didn't. I'm sure never. He owned 2550 02:10:38.319 --> 02:10:42.279 the the website, but nothing ever happened with it. 2551 02:10:42.520 --> 02:10:44.239 There's a reason he puts it that way. I purchased 2552 02:10:44.279 --> 02:10:47.039 the rights too, right. I spent a good amount of 2553 02:10:47.079 --> 02:10:48.680 time in the way back machine, and I couldn't find 2554 02:10:48.720 --> 02:10:50.000 anything at sid vicious dot com. 2555 02:10:50.279 --> 02:10:53.760 I guarantee you there was nothing there. He has keen 2556 02:10:53.880 --> 02:10:56.800 business since and wants to maintain control of his name 2557 02:10:56.880 --> 02:10:57.520 and character. 2558 02:10:58.079 --> 02:10:58.439 He is. 2559 02:10:58.520 --> 02:11:00.720 His office also holds a tanning bed. 2560 02:11:01.079 --> 02:11:03.199 Brother, he has a tanning bed in his office. 2561 02:11:03.279 --> 02:11:07.640 That's weird. Of course he does stationary bicycle, isn't it 2562 02:11:07.800 --> 02:11:09.000 just called an exercise bike. 2563 02:11:09.560 --> 02:11:13.199 A stationary bicycle is also called a bicycle. 2564 02:11:14.119 --> 02:11:15.039 It's also called a. 2565 02:11:16.520 --> 02:11:20.159 I don't know, a statue, yeah, or a well what 2566 02:11:20.279 --> 02:11:22.880 it ends up being in most cases a fucking clothes hanger. 2567 02:11:23.119 --> 02:11:28.399 Exactly, and loads of memories packed inside photo albums. The 2568 02:11:28.560 --> 02:11:35.079 backyard garden features tomatoes, peas, melons, beans, peppers, squash, okra, 2569 02:11:35.239 --> 02:11:38.840 and corn. Often the goods are distributed to the areas 2570 02:11:38.920 --> 02:11:42.600 poor yep. Also in the backyard is a swimming pool, 2571 02:11:42.720 --> 02:11:46.319 rarely used by the man of the house. That's a 2572 02:11:47.279 --> 02:11:48.960 so thank you for telling me that he lives in 2573 02:11:49.039 --> 02:11:52.159 this big house and he wastes his pool. 2574 02:11:52.279 --> 02:11:53.880 Here's my pool. I never go in it though. 2575 02:11:54.159 --> 02:11:56.319 Yeah, I have a pool in the back, but I 2576 02:11:56.399 --> 02:11:59.119 don't ever use it. I'm actually not a fan of pools. 2577 02:12:00.279 --> 02:12:05.520 I don't allow them to be used by anybody in 2578 02:12:05.600 --> 02:12:08.159 a batting cage. And of course he does and pitching 2579 02:12:08.239 --> 02:12:11.800 machine that enables Vicious to indulge his long standing passion 2580 02:12:11.960 --> 02:12:13.079 for softball. 2581 02:12:13.159 --> 02:12:13.520 Awesome. 2582 02:12:14.079 --> 02:12:16.359 He enjoys the sport so much that often he has 2583 02:12:16.439 --> 02:12:19.720 been labeled a part time wrestler and a full time 2584 02:12:19.880 --> 02:12:23.760 softball player right there in the company magazine. People say, 2585 02:12:23.800 --> 02:12:28.079 I'd rather play softball than wrestling. That's ridiculous. Happy years 2586 02:12:28.079 --> 02:12:30.920 ago was I had surgery and I couldn't and didn't 2587 02:12:31.000 --> 02:12:34.000 quite look the way I did when I left, so 2588 02:12:34.119 --> 02:12:37.640 I was told stay home to improve my shape. I 2589 02:12:37.760 --> 02:12:40.439 did that, and since it was summer, I played softball. 2590 02:12:41.279 --> 02:12:43.600 Before you know it, we're got out that I was 2591 02:12:43.680 --> 02:12:47.760 out playing softball instead of wrestling. On another occasion, I 2592 02:12:47.840 --> 02:12:54.520 was leaving the WWE for WCW while while I was 2593 02:12:54.600 --> 02:12:57.119 waiting for my release from the WWE. I was in 2594 02:12:57.279 --> 02:13:01.359 limbo job wise, since it was a summer, I played softball. 2595 02:13:03.159 --> 02:13:07.520 I love softball, but I never plays at of wrestling 2596 02:13:08.359 --> 02:13:12.319 or do anything that wasn't making a better future for 2597 02:13:12.439 --> 02:13:14.680 my family. That doesn't make sense. 2598 02:13:14.880 --> 02:13:18.239 So here we're going to introduce you to Sid's life, 2599 02:13:18.319 --> 02:13:21.000 his home, his environment, and we're going to show you 2600 02:13:21.079 --> 02:13:22.800 that it's batting cage. And then we're going to turn 2601 02:13:22.880 --> 02:13:27.039 over three paragraphs to him right prevaricating about him. 2602 02:13:27.199 --> 02:13:32.000 How he would never do anything to, you know, potentially 2603 02:13:32.159 --> 02:13:33.000 damage his career. 2604 02:13:33.359 --> 02:13:37.079 He offers the defense as well as the accusation right now, 2605 02:13:37.199 --> 02:13:39.800 not even brings it up, launching it in his defense. 2606 02:13:41.159 --> 02:13:44.560 Vicious about the pitching machine years ago for his son Frank, 2607 02:13:45.039 --> 02:13:47.520 who uses the cage during the summer, often taking two 2608 02:13:47.640 --> 02:13:49.479 hundred to three hundred cuts a day. 2609 02:13:49.520 --> 02:13:51.479 It's only he take two hundred to three hundred cases 2610 02:13:51.560 --> 02:13:51.880 a day. 2611 02:13:52.359 --> 02:13:54.359 If only that piece of shit would take two hundred 2612 02:13:54.399 --> 02:13:59.319 cases of vienn It's a goddamn cathedral. We're supposed to 2613 02:13:59.319 --> 02:13:59.880 be fucking. 2614 02:13:59.680 --> 02:14:04.760 Christian, right, They don't have enough for the pop top 2615 02:14:07.439 --> 02:14:13.640 i like pop tarts And a related note, I understand 2616 02:14:13.640 --> 02:14:15.319 the van has also come with the packs of crackers, 2617 02:14:16.239 --> 02:14:24.399 water water, a moon pie. Sometimes eat moon pie. I 2618 02:14:24.479 --> 02:14:26.760 want to tell you something, big secarette about moon pie. 2619 02:14:26.880 --> 02:14:27.880 It's not from the moon. 2620 02:14:29.159 --> 02:14:29.640 Do you know that? 2621 02:14:30.840 --> 02:14:30.880 No? 2622 02:14:31.159 --> 02:14:31.560 No, I do. 2623 02:14:33.039 --> 02:14:33.600 I don't know that. 2624 02:14:34.560 --> 02:14:37.479 He sent my church in case of Vienna sausages, and 2625 02:14:37.600 --> 02:14:39.239 I sent him an autograph picture. 2626 02:14:41.119 --> 02:14:43.439 It's like the biggest Like who gives a ship? 2627 02:14:45.199 --> 02:14:45.319 Uh? 2628 02:14:45.560 --> 02:14:51.520 Vicious? H I hope he was a fan. I don't remember, 2629 02:14:52.840 --> 02:14:54.720 you know, like, I hope he wasn't a stranger. Who's like, 2630 02:14:54.760 --> 02:14:57.760 where the fuck is this? Said Vicious? Listen I used 2631 02:14:57.800 --> 02:15:01.119 to love Sid Vicious say goddamn sit Vicious. Oh man, 2632 02:15:01.279 --> 02:15:04.359 I know side listen to dad damn records. Is this 2633 02:15:04.439 --> 02:15:05.880 ship is blonde? Bitch? I know? 2634 02:15:06.119 --> 02:15:06.319 Sid? 2635 02:15:06.800 --> 02:15:14.800 He says, Vicious brought bought the pitching machine. Ears Oh yes, Frank. 2636 02:15:15.399 --> 02:15:15.520 Uh. 2637 02:15:15.880 --> 02:15:20.159 Softball is a little black wrestling. It's a team. It's 2638 02:15:20.199 --> 02:15:24.880 all about the camaraderie, the competition, says Vicious, a powerful 2639 02:15:25.239 --> 02:15:30.840 home run hitter who played for the Memphis Socks and 2640 02:15:31.000 --> 02:15:33.279 other top level slow pitch teams. 2641 02:15:34.960 --> 02:15:36.960 Let me ask you a question. When he says softball 2642 02:15:37.039 --> 02:15:38.680 is a little like wrestling and says it's a team, 2643 02:15:40.199 --> 02:15:43.439 what's he talking about? I feel wrestling is not a 2644 02:15:43.479 --> 02:15:44.319 team at all. 2645 02:15:44.720 --> 02:15:47.279 Wrestling is not about being Maybe maybe he's like breaking 2646 02:15:47.439 --> 02:15:51.119 the fourth wall on KFE there. I don't know. I 2647 02:15:51.239 --> 02:15:55.640 miss softball, he says, I always wish. So here he 2648 02:15:55.960 --> 02:15:59.800 just yes three paragraphs later, three paragraphs after saying he'd 2649 02:15:59.800 --> 02:16:03.920 write he would never choose softball over wrestling. I miss softball. 2650 02:16:04.239 --> 02:16:06.199 I always wish I could have been able to play 2651 02:16:06.279 --> 02:16:10.399 pro baseball. His favorite baseball team is the Saint Louis Cardinals. 2652 02:16:11.039 --> 02:16:14.439 His all time favorite player is Babe Ruth. There's just 2653 02:16:14.560 --> 02:16:15.680 something magic. 2654 02:16:15.439 --> 02:16:16.159 About that guy. 2655 02:16:16.239 --> 02:16:18.479 Yeah, you saw him live so many times. 2656 02:16:19.680 --> 02:16:22.319 You know when I go see Babe Ruth Wressell. 2657 02:16:22.840 --> 02:16:29.960 Wait a minute, I'm doing the math. George Herman Ruth. 2658 02:16:31.840 --> 02:16:32.799 That's his wrestling name. 2659 02:16:33.680 --> 02:16:34.440 Yeah, of course. 2660 02:16:36.000 --> 02:16:36.120 Uh. 2661 02:16:36.920 --> 02:16:40.159 Today Vicious is an Atlanta Braves fan and regularly wears 2662 02:16:40.319 --> 02:16:41.959 a New York Yankees cap. 2663 02:16:42.079 --> 02:16:46.319 Okay, wait a minute, so hold on what So his 2664 02:16:46.520 --> 02:16:49.600 favorite team is the Cardinals. But he's an Atlanta Braves 2665 02:16:49.680 --> 02:16:51.600 fan who wears a Yankees cap? 2666 02:16:52.319 --> 02:16:54.239 Right? Who were the Yankees? This guy does not know 2667 02:16:54.399 --> 02:16:56.600 shit about baseball? All right? 2668 02:16:57.280 --> 02:17:00.799 Well, I'll tell you he doesn't know about his preferences 2669 02:17:00.879 --> 02:17:01.440 for baseball. 2670 02:17:03.040 --> 02:17:04.799 Let me tell you some I want to tell you something. 2671 02:17:04.840 --> 02:17:06.879 You can say whatever you want about me, but I 2672 02:17:06.920 --> 02:17:08.319 don't know shit about baseball. 2673 02:17:08.440 --> 02:17:10.520 That is a doozy of a paragraph right there. 2674 02:17:11.120 --> 02:17:14.760 That really is. When he's not on the road, Vicious' 2675 02:17:14.959 --> 02:17:19.280 day starts at six a m. But what's this? Wouldn't 2676 02:17:19.280 --> 02:17:20.840 he normally do that too, like to get up and 2677 02:17:20.840 --> 02:17:22.879 go to the gym before a show, I don't know, 2678 02:17:23.680 --> 02:17:27.920 after his usual breakfast of ten egg whites, sweet potatoes, 2679 02:17:28.559 --> 02:17:35.520 and coffee sweetened with honey. Frank, you get the honey. 2680 02:17:35.840 --> 02:17:40.799 Why does that make me laugh so much? Because it's 2681 02:17:40.799 --> 02:17:43.200 like the last person you'd think would kind of care 2682 02:17:43.239 --> 02:17:44.399 about coffee that way. 2683 02:17:44.799 --> 02:17:48.840 Exactly a little dollup, you know, Oh God. 2684 02:17:48.799 --> 02:17:55.000 Frank, Frank, Frank, you usually last of the honey. Because 2685 02:17:55.040 --> 02:17:58.000 I won the cupboard and I was looking for my honey, 2686 02:18:01.120 --> 02:18:05.319 and you see that label says Dad's honey. Don't touch Frank. 2687 02:18:06.159 --> 02:18:07.040 That's really good. 2688 02:18:07.200 --> 02:18:12.639 But that's really good Dad's honey. I'm trying to remember 2689 02:18:12.680 --> 02:18:16.680 how he said it was great, honey, don't touch, don't 2690 02:18:16.760 --> 02:18:20.440 touch Frank. There's only one person in the house we 2691 02:18:20.600 --> 02:18:24.879 try to touch. It's God, another son. He's got a daughter. 2692 02:18:25.040 --> 02:18:27.879 No fucks so funny, Oh my god. 2693 02:18:29.680 --> 02:18:32.040 He drives twenty minutes to a Golds gym in Memphis. 2694 02:18:32.760 --> 02:18:34.680 He has a small gym in his garage, but he 2695 02:18:34.719 --> 02:18:37.959 prefers the atmosphere and the friendships he's developed at Gold's. 2696 02:18:38.360 --> 02:18:43.399 At Gold's, Vicious faithfully adheres to his routine. We developed 2697 02:18:43.440 --> 02:18:46.639 goodworth ethic early in life. It's going to carry through 2698 02:18:46.799 --> 02:18:50.479 the rest of your life. My sons, Frank and Gunner 2699 02:18:51.120 --> 02:18:55.959 are fucking idiots, are the same way. Frank, fifteen is 2700 02:18:56.040 --> 02:18:58.200 a straight a student. Gunner is six. 2701 02:18:58.879 --> 02:19:00.479 So that's what all we can say about him at 2702 02:19:00.479 --> 02:19:00.799 this point. 2703 02:19:01.040 --> 02:19:03.399 So how does he he has a good work ethic 2704 02:19:03.399 --> 02:19:07.000 at age six? That's where we're at. Okay, yeah, uh. 2705 02:19:07.079 --> 02:19:09.239 Vicious takes a pessimistic. 2706 02:19:12.280 --> 02:19:16.040 Uh oh, I don't like where this is going. 2707 02:19:20.399 --> 02:19:28.520 Vicious takes a pessimistic approach to Frank. Go ahead, go ahead, 2708 02:19:28.520 --> 02:19:32.520 finish the fact, often motivating his son by telling him 2709 02:19:32.760 --> 02:19:35.000 he's not doing as well as expected. 2710 02:19:42.840 --> 02:19:45.159 See, just when you want to say, like, that's the 2711 02:19:45.200 --> 02:19:48.239 thing about Sid, he's a family man, like and then 2712 02:19:48.280 --> 02:19:50.639 you read these little twists like this, like what you 2713 02:19:50.680 --> 02:19:52.920 see him on Big Brother, his son. It's like this 2714 02:19:53.120 --> 02:19:56.879 guy is like, oh my god, this guy is kind 2715 02:19:56.920 --> 02:19:57.719 of a weird dad. 2716 02:19:58.280 --> 02:20:00.319 I mean the fact that he picks on Frank. I mean, 2717 02:20:00.600 --> 02:20:03.840 I you know, I mean, that's lap serendipity right there. 2718 02:20:04.000 --> 02:20:08.159 We were expecting. Oh my god, I didn't expect that. 2719 02:20:08.200 --> 02:20:09.760 I'll tell you what. I didn't expect to see him 2720 02:20:09.760 --> 02:20:13.920 writing right all right, I know, like he clearly volunteered 2721 02:20:13.959 --> 02:20:16.200 that with Bride for the author to feel comfortable putting 2722 02:20:16.200 --> 02:20:20.639 in the article. Still, Frank maintains a ninety nine average. 2723 02:20:21.239 --> 02:20:23.840 Don't accept anything less than one hundred, and he knows that. 2724 02:20:23.920 --> 02:20:25.680 Oh my god, what's the quote against say it? 2725 02:20:27.000 --> 02:20:30.959 So the writer goes Frank maintains a ninety nine average, 2726 02:20:32.840 --> 02:20:37.559 Sid says, quote, I don't accept anything less than one hundred, 2727 02:20:38.360 --> 02:20:39.239 and he knows that. 2728 02:20:40.040 --> 02:20:44.239 Yeah, that sounds fine, right, that's not like sign of 2729 02:20:45.040 --> 02:20:46.040 trouble totally. 2730 02:20:46.360 --> 02:20:48.280 I mean not only that, but it's a total. It's 2731 02:20:48.399 --> 02:20:50.239 goals that are easily achievable. All right. 2732 02:20:50.399 --> 02:20:52.079 I'm glad we agree with that, because I wasn't sure 2733 02:20:52.120 --> 02:20:53.479 if I was on another planet for a second. 2734 02:20:53.559 --> 02:20:56.000 Listen, what the fuck I mean, what do you expect? 2735 02:20:56.959 --> 02:20:58.840 You get a hundred or you fucking get killed? 2736 02:21:00.000 --> 02:21:00.239 Thank you. 2737 02:21:00.280 --> 02:21:02.520 Know, as we sit here and tribute to your father today, 2738 02:21:02.559 --> 02:21:04.319 I do wonder what you think about this quote that 2739 02:21:04.440 --> 02:21:08.360 he once gaves WW magazine. Frank, I want to tell 2740 02:21:08.360 --> 02:21:13.680 you something. I'm speaking to you from the beyond. You 2741 02:21:13.760 --> 02:21:16.680 get anything less than one hundred, I will bring you, 2742 02:21:17.120 --> 02:21:19.200 drag you up here with me. Right. 2743 02:21:21.959 --> 02:21:25.920 I'm watching you day and night. A none to nine, Frank, 2744 02:21:27.879 --> 02:21:31.159 an nine is not acceptable. Do you know what the 2745 02:21:31.200 --> 02:21:32.440 penalty is for a nine to nine? 2746 02:21:32.479 --> 02:21:32.760 Frank? 2747 02:21:36.239 --> 02:21:36.440 Yeah? 2748 02:21:41.440 --> 02:21:43.000 Yeah, So at least we're not taking it too far. 2749 02:21:43.200 --> 02:21:46.799 That's what's good about the bits we keep it fenced in, 2750 02:21:47.079 --> 02:21:47.280 you know. 2751 02:21:47.520 --> 02:21:51.280 Right, we always we never crossed that line into inappropriate. 2752 02:21:52.200 --> 02:21:52.319 Uh. 2753 02:21:52.479 --> 02:21:56.639 Vicious often gets autographs for Frank from celebrities at WCW events. 2754 02:21:57.920 --> 02:21:58.680 So are you saying? 2755 02:21:58.760 --> 02:21:59.879 Who are you? 2756 02:22:00.079 --> 02:22:04.399 Are you saying? He gets Frank an autographed picture. 2757 02:22:08.719 --> 02:22:11.319 See I tell you this. When Frank delivers the Vienna's, 2758 02:22:11.319 --> 02:22:13.040 I'll give him an autograph picture. 2759 02:22:18.200 --> 02:22:18.520 First. 2760 02:22:18.959 --> 02:22:20.319 The viennas. 2761 02:22:22.159 --> 02:22:24.520 These little small penises in a can. 2762 02:22:29.040 --> 02:22:30.600 Toddler Cox in the camp. 2763 02:22:32.959 --> 02:22:35.559 I mean, of all the things, you know, if it 2764 02:22:35.639 --> 02:22:37.879 was can soup, we would have anything. 2765 02:22:37.639 --> 02:22:39.520 To say nothing, you know what I mean? The fact 2766 02:22:39.559 --> 02:22:44.840 that it's like the most the most just bizarre, randomly 2767 02:22:45.079 --> 02:22:51.479 canned meat. Okay. Also, by the way, celebrities at w 2768 02:22:51.719 --> 02:22:53.360 w VNS, what well. 2769 02:22:53.680 --> 02:22:57.000 I mean, I can think of maybe Gene Simmons or 2770 02:22:57.360 --> 02:22:57.920 Master p. 2771 02:22:59.040 --> 02:23:06.200 Or Jason Hervey. That what we're going for it is 2772 02:23:06.440 --> 02:23:11.920 upstanding people such as former North Carolina basketball coach Dean Smith, 2773 02:23:11.959 --> 02:23:16.639 who vicious wants Frank to admire. Okay, I'm gonna tell 2774 02:23:16.639 --> 02:23:21.639 you who you'd mar, Frank. All right, you're doing people 2775 02:23:21.719 --> 02:23:24.120 on your own choice. You environ our people that I 2776 02:23:24.280 --> 02:23:25.200 say are appropriate. 2777 02:23:26.000 --> 02:23:28.000 Son, Do you see that coach on the screen there? 2778 02:23:28.879 --> 02:23:32.600 You see that dumb fuck right there, that's who you'd meyer. 2779 02:23:32.799 --> 02:23:35.000 It's the guy I just called the dumb fuck. That's 2780 02:23:35.000 --> 02:23:41.200 who you admire. He calls him a dumb fuck? Why 2781 02:23:41.280 --> 02:23:42.719 does he call him a dumb fuck? 2782 02:23:43.159 --> 02:23:43.760 We'll never know? 2783 02:23:45.799 --> 02:23:52.159 So awesome, Oh good, he's supposed to be good. Like, 2784 02:23:52.479 --> 02:23:54.040 why did you call him a dumb fuck? And then 2785 02:23:54.639 --> 02:24:03.319 you didn't like him? That would be a sad thing. 2786 02:24:03.479 --> 02:24:06.360 He'd like, I want, I want you to pat it 2787 02:24:06.399 --> 02:24:11.639 in yourself after this absolute loser. So he totally confuses 2788 02:24:11.680 --> 02:24:13.360 the kid who thinks he's doing just fine. 2789 02:24:13.440 --> 02:24:19.200 You know, Yeah, Vicious doesn't drink or smoke and expects 2790 02:24:19.280 --> 02:24:24.280 his kids to also avoid those habits. I think I'm 2791 02:24:24.319 --> 02:24:28.680 a good father, but sometimes I wonder if because I'm 2792 02:24:28.760 --> 02:24:31.200 so hard on my kids, they don't know how I 2793 02:24:31.319 --> 02:24:32.520 really feel about them. 2794 02:24:33.040 --> 02:24:36.000 Oh well, I guess he's powerless to do anything about that. 2795 02:24:36.559 --> 02:24:37.360 Yeah, exactly. 2796 02:24:38.000 --> 02:24:38.120 Uh. 2797 02:24:38.239 --> 02:24:42.319 Vicious never has attended Frank's school related events the Reporter, 2798 02:24:44.440 --> 02:24:46.520 and has attended only one of Gunners. 2799 02:24:47.559 --> 02:24:49.959 Who's counting, though, But who's counting? 2800 02:24:51.000 --> 02:24:52.399 Frank? How does that makes you feel? 2801 02:24:53.719 --> 02:24:56.719 They're all sitting around doing the interview for the magazine. 2802 02:24:58.040 --> 02:25:00.680 I bet you know I went to Gunner's event, Frank. 2803 02:25:01.440 --> 02:25:05.200 How does that make you feel? This is a kid, 2804 02:25:05.280 --> 02:25:09.079 I'm big brother. You have to remember this picture of 2805 02:25:09.120 --> 02:25:11.760 Frank you and his face on big Brother? It said 2806 02:25:11.799 --> 02:25:14.479 looking at him? How does that make you feel? 2807 02:25:14.959 --> 02:25:16.639 I want I want you to hear something come out 2808 02:25:16.639 --> 02:25:21.879 of my mouth. It's real simple. And you look me 2809 02:25:22.000 --> 02:25:22.639 dead in the eye. 2810 02:25:23.200 --> 02:25:25.520 This is a weird dude. I don't care, man, because. 2811 02:25:25.280 --> 02:25:26.760 What I'm gonna say is going to hit you in 2812 02:25:26.840 --> 02:25:33.600 the head like a shot. I will never ever go 2813 02:25:33.719 --> 02:25:34.879 to a school event for you. 2814 02:25:35.399 --> 02:25:40.000 School related event, school related event, I have never and 2815 02:25:40.079 --> 02:25:43.079 I will never attend one of your school related events. 2816 02:25:45.159 --> 02:25:50.200 I will never go a football game, I will never 2817 02:25:51.000 --> 02:25:56.520 go to wrestling match. I'll never go to your graduation, 2818 02:25:59.040 --> 02:26:00.360 but I will go to owners. 2819 02:26:02.000 --> 02:26:03.079 Is that because the game we play? 2820 02:26:03.159 --> 02:26:04.559 Does that make you feel Frank? 2821 02:26:05.040 --> 02:26:07.440 Is that because the game we play is real simple? 2822 02:26:08.840 --> 02:26:14.079 Because the game we play is real simple? I want 2823 02:26:14.200 --> 02:26:18.479 better for you then I have myself. 2824 02:26:19.239 --> 02:26:21.200 You know Sid loves you when he treats you like shit, 2825 02:26:21.440 --> 02:26:22.319 that's lead. 2826 02:26:27.120 --> 02:26:29.479 Usually he's on the road, but he also skips events 2827 02:26:29.520 --> 02:26:30.159 when he is home. 2828 02:26:32.639 --> 02:26:35.920 No way, ross Forman's having some fun at Sid's expense. Here, 2829 02:26:36.000 --> 02:26:40.120 there's this, there's too much double entendres going on here. 2830 02:26:41.479 --> 02:26:45.399 Because he doesn't want to be a distraction. Vicious is 2831 02:26:45.440 --> 02:26:50.319 adamant that his sons not brag about their dad and 2832 02:26:50.440 --> 02:26:54.639 attract attention they don't need. Yet, he says, Vicious also 2833 02:26:54.760 --> 02:26:58.559 finds time for his three dollars. I won't find time 2834 02:26:58.639 --> 02:27:01.879 for my son, but I will find time for my dog. 2835 02:27:02.040 --> 02:27:02.159 Right. 2836 02:27:02.200 --> 02:27:05.120 Well, they just finished several paragraphs saying how he doesn't 2837 02:27:05.120 --> 02:27:09.000 find time for skids, but this paragraph begins. Vicious also finds. 2838 02:27:08.799 --> 02:27:11.760 Time finds time for his three by also finds time. 2839 02:27:12.760 --> 02:27:15.760 Doesn't find time before, but you're just say. But he 2840 02:27:15.879 --> 02:27:20.600 does find time for his three dogs, Buddy Rotwiler, Baby Labrador, 2841 02:27:20.760 --> 02:27:24.799 and Betsy mixed breed. And he maintains a gun collection. 2842 02:27:24.879 --> 02:27:25.760 Oh I knew that was coming. 2843 02:27:26.319 --> 02:27:30.479 It is an avid game hunter. Vicious of life is 2844 02:27:30.520 --> 02:27:35.079 in all roses. No shit, haven't hurt any at all yet. 2845 02:27:36.200 --> 02:27:38.520 The picture of the Internet and dirt sheets have painted 2846 02:27:38.559 --> 02:27:41.479 of him over his career isn't pretty A drifter. Most 2847 02:27:41.479 --> 02:27:44.280 of his wrestling career, Vicious has wrestled in many promotions. 2848 02:27:44.600 --> 02:27:46.959 In addition to his work in WCW, He has had 2849 02:27:47.000 --> 02:27:50.319 stints in the WWE and e CW. Those who spread 2850 02:27:50.360 --> 02:27:54.120 the rumors and gossip rarely no Vicious, so he doesn't 2851 02:27:54.200 --> 02:27:55.319 let the words bother him. 2852 02:27:55.440 --> 02:27:57.719 Rumors and gossip that he walks out on companies. That's 2853 02:27:57.719 --> 02:27:59.760 what he does. That's obvious. 2854 02:28:00.879 --> 02:28:04.399 So I've never read wrestling newsletter and never will because 2855 02:28:04.479 --> 02:28:07.719 wows brought up in this business. Dirt sheets are just that, 2856 02:28:08.559 --> 02:28:13.879 dirt sheets. They're just someone's opinion who never's wrestled, and 2857 02:28:13.959 --> 02:28:18.399 they're judging you by their opinion, not a knowledge. Those 2858 02:28:18.440 --> 02:28:23.440 people haven't run a promotion, been on the road three 2859 02:28:23.520 --> 02:28:25.959 hundred days a year or done anything of the sort. 2860 02:28:25.959 --> 02:28:28.040 Now, where are the dirt sheets being written by Bill 2861 02:28:28.079 --> 02:28:30.680 Watts and three other people who meet the criteria? 2862 02:28:30.760 --> 02:28:34.840 I know exactly where the people who who would totally 2863 02:28:34.959 --> 02:28:39.079 fucking not share the truth or share facts because it 2864 02:28:39.159 --> 02:28:40.239 doesn't make them look good. 2865 02:28:40.319 --> 02:28:43.040 Why don't successful wresting promoters just turn around write dirt sheets. 2866 02:28:43.079 --> 02:28:44.200 That's a reasonable expectation. 2867 02:28:44.959 --> 02:28:49.479 Dirt sheets are for people who aren't really sure about 2868 02:28:49.520 --> 02:28:53.239 who they are, where they stand this business. They look 2869 02:28:53.319 --> 02:28:59.680 for approval, Okay, okay, maybe they just look to share information. 2870 02:29:00.760 --> 02:29:02.799 Maybe, like I don't know, if someone praises him for 2871 02:29:02.799 --> 02:29:05.239 a job well done, they like to read about it. Yeah, 2872 02:29:05.280 --> 02:29:08.319 as opposed to like I never want my kids to 2873 02:29:08.399 --> 02:29:09.959 ever think they did a job well done. 2874 02:29:10.040 --> 02:29:10.959 Yeah, exactly. 2875 02:29:11.479 --> 02:29:12.959 Crank that softball too, I know. 2876 02:29:13.159 --> 02:29:17.879 Look at that seriously, I'm really hoping you know, what 2877 02:29:18.000 --> 02:29:22.360 I think and I'm praying is that the ball is 2878 02:29:22.399 --> 02:29:26.799 actually hanging by a thin thread and that he's posing there. 2879 02:29:28.079 --> 02:29:30.520 Photo that's got to be his backyard batting cage. 2880 02:29:30.959 --> 02:29:34.040 Oh yeah, for sure. I mean it also looks like 2881 02:29:34.200 --> 02:29:36.600 I don't know, I mean, you know baseball better than 2882 02:29:36.639 --> 02:29:38.840 I do, and kind of like this, but doesn't look 2883 02:29:38.920 --> 02:29:43.000 like he's in the right position to be like, because 2884 02:29:43.040 --> 02:29:44.879 it looks like he's a little too close to the 2885 02:29:44.959 --> 02:29:47.959 fence there. Yeah, I guess you're right. 2886 02:29:48.879 --> 02:29:50.479 You know, that's not a matter of baseball, that's just 2887 02:29:50.520 --> 02:29:51.879 a matter of like depth perception. 2888 02:29:52.079 --> 02:29:54.399 Really, I mean, I don't I don't know. I mean, 2889 02:29:54.479 --> 02:29:57.959 I'm just because like, don't you know. I know, I 2890 02:29:58.040 --> 02:29:59.799 know that they obviously had the fencing and stuff like that, 2891 02:30:00.040 --> 02:30:02.799 but like it seems like this fence is very it's 2892 02:30:02.840 --> 02:30:05.600 it's very tight compared to what I mean. No, he 2893 02:30:05.639 --> 02:30:07.719 probably doesn't have like a crazy ass batting cage like 2894 02:30:07.799 --> 02:30:13.440 you see at at like parks and whatever. But I 2895 02:30:13.479 --> 02:30:15.639 don't know, it just seems an odd. 2896 02:30:15.719 --> 02:30:18.760 Photo, very interesting to me. 2897 02:30:22.360 --> 02:30:26.559 Oh sorry, Uh they're looking forward. 2898 02:30:26.879 --> 02:30:27.000 Uh. 2899 02:30:27.120 --> 02:30:29.879 Vicious, his latest in WW has proved most of his 2900 02:30:30.000 --> 02:30:30.680 critics wrong. 2901 02:30:31.360 --> 02:30:31.559 Really. 2902 02:30:33.040 --> 02:30:36.600 He had a memorable match with Goldberg at Halloween Havoc. 2903 02:30:37.079 --> 02:30:41.639 He bled so profusely from a facial cut that he 2904 02:30:41.760 --> 02:30:45.360 called home to assure his family he was okay, and 2905 02:30:45.440 --> 02:30:47.440 he's one of the most popular men in the company. 2906 02:30:48.440 --> 02:30:52.879 Okay, great paragraph said, not reading the dirt. 2907 02:30:53.840 --> 02:30:57.079 Right, certainly not that's him trying to fucking that's him 2908 02:30:57.120 --> 02:30:59.639 trying to look at his own website under construction. 2909 02:31:00.040 --> 02:31:00.680 Uters looked like that. 2910 02:31:00.760 --> 02:31:03.639 Look at that monitor, oh man, I yeah, sure, I 2911 02:31:03.719 --> 02:31:04.760 mean that was high tech. 2912 02:31:04.920 --> 02:31:06.159 The curvature of the screen. 2913 02:31:06.680 --> 02:31:10.319 Yeah, I mean it's like a tvue. You know, it 2914 02:31:10.440 --> 02:31:15.600 was a tube uh style monitor, fucking heaviest shiit amazing. 2915 02:31:16.520 --> 02:31:18.040 Remember how fucking heavy those things were. 2916 02:31:18.159 --> 02:31:21.159 And we thought we had the world in that boss. Yep, yep, 2917 02:31:21.360 --> 02:31:22.040 that's all we needed. 2918 02:31:22.280 --> 02:31:25.760 I you know, I remember. It's so funny, like you 2919 02:31:25.799 --> 02:31:29.479 remember my my old editing computer that i'd bring to college, 2920 02:31:30.440 --> 02:31:33.440 and that thing was so fucking big, so fucking heavy, 2921 02:31:33.479 --> 02:31:38.239 it was huge. It was huge. Now I've got a 2922 02:31:38.319 --> 02:31:42.760 thing I can carry with one hand, and it's more 2923 02:31:43.000 --> 02:31:48.840 and it's four times as powerful. I don't know, so crazy. 2924 02:31:49.319 --> 02:31:51.879 It's progress, for sure. I'm just not sure it's better. 2925 02:31:52.040 --> 02:31:58.520 We'll see, Yeah, we'll see. But Vicious doesn't consider himself 2926 02:31:58.520 --> 02:32:01.639 a celebrity. Wrestling is just a career step for him. 2927 02:32:03.120 --> 02:32:05.639 It's hard for me to ever think of myself being 2928 02:32:05.680 --> 02:32:08.360 a celebrity. No one here really looks at me as 2929 02:32:08.719 --> 02:32:11.440 looks looks looks me as a celebrity. But yet he 2930 02:32:11.479 --> 02:32:14.520 doesn't want his sons to brag about him. 2931 02:32:14.600 --> 02:32:15.600 Yeah, I don't get it. What are they going to 2932 02:32:15.639 --> 02:32:16.879 brag about it if you're not a celebrity. 2933 02:32:17.040 --> 02:32:20.200 Yeah, it's funny. I can go down to a convenience 2934 02:32:20.239 --> 02:32:22.639 store and the clerk will ask what are you doing? 2935 02:32:22.719 --> 02:32:28.520 To Marion at Arkansas? I understand. So if he's not 2936 02:32:28.600 --> 02:32:30.680 a celebrity, no one here looks at you as a celebrity, 2937 02:32:30.680 --> 02:32:32.159 then why would they ask you what are you doing 2938 02:32:32.200 --> 02:32:34.079 in Mary in Arkansas? I mean, are they saying you 2939 02:32:34.120 --> 02:32:35.799 look like a fucking New Yorker or something, and like 2940 02:32:35.840 --> 02:32:36.440 why are you here? 2941 02:32:36.559 --> 02:32:36.799 Maybe? 2942 02:32:37.079 --> 02:32:39.079 Maybe it's maybe it's the Yankees. 2943 02:32:38.760 --> 02:32:43.479 Hat maybe seriously, or or the or the Cardinals had 2944 02:32:43.520 --> 02:32:48.399 for that matter, either one. No matter what anyone else thinks, 2945 02:32:48.479 --> 02:32:50.159 Vicious is proud of his wrestling career. 2946 02:32:50.959 --> 02:32:52.120 Geez the bat. 2947 02:32:53.280 --> 02:32:57.440 I don't sure what anyone says. I am proud. I 2948 02:32:57.600 --> 02:33:00.319 know that Dave Melcher says, I'm not proud, right, It's 2949 02:33:00.319 --> 02:33:01.200 pretty much what he says. 2950 02:33:01.760 --> 02:33:04.479 It's got to be so hard to like pretend that 2951 02:33:04.600 --> 02:33:07.120 you don't know what the newsletters say about you, but 2952 02:33:07.200 --> 02:33:10.120 at the same time make your whole identity about being 2953 02:33:10.200 --> 02:33:11.520 not what people say, you are. 2954 02:33:11.600 --> 02:33:15.719 Like seriously saying, no matter what anyone else thinks, if 2955 02:33:15.760 --> 02:33:19.000 he didn't read the fucking dirt sheets, he wouldn't know 2956 02:33:19.040 --> 02:33:20.239 what they thought and wouldn't care. 2957 02:33:20.360 --> 02:33:23.600 Right, He definitely wouldn't like have this part of his identity. 2958 02:33:23.639 --> 02:33:27.600 That's about, you know, proving that stuff wrong. Right, This 2959 02:33:27.719 --> 02:33:29.799 whole thing is like for no reason, just like negative. 2960 02:33:30.040 --> 02:33:32.719 You know, people forget this about sid like they act 2961 02:33:32.840 --> 02:33:35.079 like because so many years passed from this till his 2962 02:33:35.319 --> 02:33:37.959 death that people forget that this was like the prevailing 2963 02:33:39.239 --> 02:33:42.920 like feeling about this guy, the prevailing sentiment. Right, even 2964 02:33:42.959 --> 02:33:44.680 the House magazine can't ignore it. 2965 02:33:48.239 --> 02:33:50.000 He has come a long way since he first stepped 2966 02:33:50.040 --> 02:33:57.440 into the ring. When I first started wrestling school, that's 2967 02:33:57.479 --> 02:34:01.559 what it says. When I first started at wrestling school, 2968 02:34:01.639 --> 02:34:03.399 Oh yeah, that's where you go to learn wrestling, right, 2969 02:34:03.959 --> 02:34:06.719 I remember thinking, Man, I wonder what it will take 2970 02:34:06.760 --> 02:34:10.120 to get to that top spot. I don't think I'm 2971 02:34:10.159 --> 02:34:13.760 at Hulk Hogan's level. No, I'm not a big movie star. 2972 02:34:13.959 --> 02:34:14.479 Oh god. 2973 02:34:16.799 --> 02:34:19.959 Greater, it said, But I think I'm in a good 2974 02:34:20.000 --> 02:34:24.120 position for someone who started out maryon Tech Arkansas. That's 2975 02:34:24.200 --> 02:34:27.639 kind of talking low of Marrion Arkansas a shot. Yeah, 2976 02:34:28.959 --> 02:34:31.399 Vicious expect to be involved in wrestling for a long time. 2977 02:34:36.440 --> 02:34:39.399 His body will eventually prevent him from competing, and he 2978 02:34:39.559 --> 02:34:42.959 is making provisions for when that time comes. He sees 2979 02:34:43.079 --> 02:34:47.319 himself in a managerial role. I know I can go 2980 02:34:47.440 --> 02:34:50.600 another three or four more years, and I know I 2981 02:34:50.719 --> 02:34:54.959 can work and talk. I really think that I have 2982 02:34:55.440 --> 02:34:58.719 some knowledge of this business. I know how to create characters, 2983 02:34:59.120 --> 02:35:01.719 and I know some of the things that work. 2984 02:35:01.879 --> 02:35:05.600 This guy, this guy has been trying to talk himself 2985 02:35:05.680 --> 02:35:08.879 into a booking job ever since he was a rookie 2986 02:35:08.920 --> 02:35:11.440 in the business. And it's just not gonna, can't not 2987 02:35:11.559 --> 02:35:12.079 gonna happen. 2988 02:35:12.200 --> 02:35:15.040 Dude, this is what he says here. Okay, I know 2989 02:35:15.200 --> 02:35:19.159 how to create characters, and I know some of the 2990 02:35:19.239 --> 02:35:20.000 things that work. 2991 02:35:21.799 --> 02:35:23.920 You're right. He is this way of like saying things 2992 02:35:23.959 --> 02:35:25.360 where he just takes all the air out of his 2993 02:35:25.479 --> 02:35:28.719 own point. You know, Like, tell me about your kids, Well, 2994 02:35:28.879 --> 02:35:32.200 I don't accept that they do anything. Well, it's like 2995 02:35:33.399 --> 02:35:34.559 you to tell me about do anything. 2996 02:35:34.639 --> 02:35:34.799 Well. 2997 02:35:35.159 --> 02:35:38.719 Number two, I won't let them do anything well. Yeah. 2998 02:35:39.000 --> 02:35:42.040 Yeah, he leaves that part out too often. Yeah. One time, 2999 02:35:42.719 --> 02:35:44.479 by the time was rounding third for an inside the 3000 02:35:44.520 --> 02:35:46.879 park home run and I jumped over the fence to 3001 02:35:47.000 --> 02:35:48.280 tackle him so he couldn't do it. 3002 02:35:48.799 --> 02:36:05.079 He's the Lapstan Wrestling podcast, the wrestling podcast that knows 3003 02:36:05.159 --> 02:36:23.200 the boys need their candy. It's the Lapsed Fan. He's 3004 02:36:23.280 --> 02:36:27.360 the Lapsed Fan Wrestling podcast with Jack and Carnaco and 3005 02:36:27.559 --> 02:36:28.399 JP Sorrow. 3006 02:36:28.840 --> 02:36:31.520 One time I saw Frank he hit the ball out 3007 02:36:31.520 --> 02:36:34.879 of the park. He started running around, and when he 3008 02:36:35.000 --> 02:36:42.440 got to third base, I said, fright, turn around, don't 3009 02:36:42.639 --> 02:36:45.479 store turn around. I'll kill you. 3010 02:36:46.120 --> 02:36:49.760 Ship no under the cops showed up, I'll kill you. 3011 02:36:50.159 --> 02:36:51.520 Where did he say that? Okay? 3012 02:36:52.840 --> 02:36:55.239 At Rumbled ninety two, at Logan at the very end, 3013 02:36:55.280 --> 02:37:03.280 he goes, go bad, go bad. Yeah, did they come 3014 02:37:03.319 --> 02:37:03.760 on again? 3015 02:37:03.840 --> 02:37:09.280 Please let's go said, it's a tribute to l f X. 3016 02:37:10.719 --> 02:37:10.920 Yeah. 3017 02:37:10.959 --> 02:37:13.840 He's definitely the guy that like driving home from the game. 3018 02:37:15.040 --> 02:37:15.760 Does he have a catch? 3019 02:37:15.840 --> 02:37:16.040 Son? 3020 02:37:17.200 --> 02:37:19.280 Let me ask you a question. Why don't you pop 3021 02:37:19.360 --> 02:37:22.920 up and throw the third immediately? Oh Dad, why didn't 3022 02:37:22.959 --> 02:37:26.600 you do it? Why he's looking at him in the 3023 02:37:26.639 --> 02:37:32.520 rear view, locked in immediately pissed laser vision. No respect 3024 02:37:32.559 --> 02:37:35.120 for the fact the kid pulled something off, Like it's 3025 02:37:35.159 --> 02:37:37.680 every every compliment it's like, okay, here comes you know. 3026 02:37:38.319 --> 02:37:43.399 You wait, you wait. I appreciate it. I thought you 3027 02:37:43.559 --> 02:37:47.000 made a good catch out there, Frank, really good catch. 3028 02:37:49.200 --> 02:37:53.920 But you think you threw hard enough? Why don't you 3029 02:37:54.000 --> 02:37:56.520 do hard enough to get the ball third base? 3030 02:37:58.200 --> 02:38:01.719 And this, this, this present is to Dad from the boys. 3031 02:38:01.799 --> 02:38:04.120 Here you go. Oh man, you guys are too much. 3032 02:38:05.479 --> 02:38:08.760 Wow, God, I shouldn't have done this right now? 3033 02:38:09.040 --> 02:38:12.040 What a beautiful sweater. Now, let me ask you a question. 3034 02:38:16.639 --> 02:38:17.799 What might he ask for us? 3035 02:38:20.639 --> 02:38:24.760 It's a beef for sweater. Let me ask you something 3036 02:38:26.159 --> 02:38:27.040 that's real simple. 3037 02:38:27.559 --> 02:38:27.719 Oh. 3038 02:38:28.319 --> 02:38:30.600 It gets quiet on Christmas morning in the Udi home 3039 02:38:30.639 --> 02:38:31.479 when he start. 3040 02:38:34.840 --> 02:38:39.399 Do I ever wear sweaters? And do you think I'm 3041 02:38:39.440 --> 02:38:41.799 gonna wear sweater from you? Well? 3042 02:38:41.879 --> 02:38:43.520 That I just I thought that maybe. 3043 02:38:46.680 --> 02:38:52.520 Oh my god, that's what I think is sweaters, especially 3044 02:38:52.520 --> 02:38:57.479 sweaters from you. Now we'll put in the fire too. 3045 02:39:00.040 --> 02:39:02.639 He makes them burn the sweater and stand there and 3046 02:39:02.719 --> 02:39:06.040 look at it that they picked out for him. They're like, ten, I. 3047 02:39:06.120 --> 02:39:09.000 Want you and you know what you want to know something? 3048 02:39:10.239 --> 02:39:12.959 You guys give me a sweater for Christmas? When I 3049 02:39:12.959 --> 02:39:23.040 don't wear sweaters, I'm taking all your presents back. In fact, 3050 02:39:23.120 --> 02:39:27.959 you know what put him on the fire? Do you 3051 02:39:28.079 --> 02:39:28.959 not even know me. 3052 02:39:30.639 --> 02:39:33.920 Put him on the fire? There goes a tycho truck melted. 3053 02:39:37.760 --> 02:39:38.360 I don't know why. 3054 02:39:39.040 --> 02:39:41.200 I don't know why the guy to get more respect, 3055 02:39:41.280 --> 02:39:45.000 you know, I'm like really sad. Actually right now, I 3056 02:39:45.120 --> 02:39:47.079 actually can't hand my hand on it what you're saying 3057 02:39:47.200 --> 02:39:53.440 at all, because I don't know. I didn't when I 3058 02:39:53.520 --> 02:39:55.440 handed to the reins, I just thought it would be 3059 02:39:55.559 --> 02:39:57.719 like some kind of like why'd you get me a large? 3060 02:39:58.000 --> 02:40:01.520 But no, he turned into I'm taking all your presence back, 3061 02:40:06.159 --> 02:40:08.239 know what forget to throw them on the fire right now? 3062 02:40:10.280 --> 02:40:13.520 He gets up there, he gets okay, Then he gets 3063 02:40:13.600 --> 02:40:15.959 up and the way I want you to know, the 3064 02:40:16.000 --> 02:40:18.239 way they look at their own toys burning in the fire, 3065 02:40:18.719 --> 02:40:22.000 is the same way he looks at the undelivered Viennas, just. 3066 02:40:22.079 --> 02:40:25.840 Standing there staring at it, realizing they didn't deserve them. 3067 02:40:27.840 --> 02:40:32.639 And he gets up. He goes in the kitchen. No, 3068 02:40:33.559 --> 02:40:36.159 he grabs the turkey and just frozen on the floor. 3069 02:40:40.520 --> 02:40:44.159 Don't get pa the wrong thing for Christmas? All right, 3070 02:40:44.360 --> 02:40:44.799 just don't do. 3071 02:40:44.879 --> 02:40:58.559 It fucking Christmas. He kicks the turkey. Yes, it is right, 3072 02:40:59.239 --> 02:41:05.319 I want you Gonner get on your goddamn Christmas. This 3073 02:41:05.479 --> 02:41:06.559 is way too far. 3074 02:41:08.559 --> 02:41:12.079 Hold on, eat your Christmas turkey, he says, he calls 3075 02:41:12.120 --> 02:41:21.680 it Christmas turkey. That's creepy, that's really creepy, your Christmas turkey. 3076 02:41:23.239 --> 02:41:29.000 And then he just leaves. He leaves and doesn't come 3077 02:41:29.079 --> 02:41:38.040 back until late at night. So, you know, Christmas at the. 3078 02:41:42.959 --> 02:41:44.799 You know, I always live in fear of getting an 3079 02:41:44.840 --> 02:41:47.840 email like from from like one of them saying you 3080 02:41:47.920 --> 02:41:52.200 know you joke, but actually more afraid of that than 3081 02:41:52.239 --> 02:41:53.239 them like taking them bread. 3082 02:41:54.120 --> 02:41:54.239 Right. 3083 02:41:55.399 --> 02:41:59.040 Well, thanks to WW Magazine and the intrepid journalism of 3084 02:41:59.120 --> 02:42:00.040 Ross Foreman. 3085 02:41:59.760 --> 02:42:02.600 For the Oh my god, into sid Psyche. 3086 02:42:03.879 --> 02:42:04.319 What was that? 3087 02:42:04.680 --> 02:42:07.159 Also looking at look at waiting the fucking baseball hat 3088 02:42:07.200 --> 02:42:07.959 backwards like an. 3089 02:42:08.120 --> 02:42:11.079 All the time man, no awareness of the fact that 3090 02:42:11.159 --> 02:42:12.760 it makes most like a twelve year old boy. 3091 02:42:13.879 --> 02:42:17.000 He looks for someone who was like, she just doesn't 3092 02:42:17.040 --> 02:42:20.399 look okay, you know right, also wearing his fucking champion 3093 02:42:20.479 --> 02:42:22.559 T shirt tucked into his jeans, or. 3094 02:42:22.559 --> 02:42:25.000 Someone who was so preoccupied but like looking the part, 3095 02:42:25.200 --> 02:42:27.559 you know, wouldn't even go on ro if he had 3096 02:42:27.559 --> 02:42:31.840 didn't get a pump on or whatever, you know, wouldn't 3097 02:42:31.840 --> 02:42:33.760 come back to w CW until he was a full 3098 02:42:35.159 --> 02:42:37.840 mountain of muscle. He certainly doesn't worry about how he 3099 02:42:37.879 --> 02:42:40.319 looks in a little boy's hat all the time. 3100 02:42:41.680 --> 02:42:44.600 By the way, uh. One of the captions for one 3101 02:42:44.600 --> 02:42:47.879 of the photos. Tossing a football is one of many 3102 02:42:47.920 --> 02:42:51.319 activities that Vicious enjoys in his time away from wrestling. 3103 02:42:52.479 --> 02:42:53.280 Tossing a football. 3104 02:42:54.000 --> 02:42:55.799 Sid Well, I see this here, Ross, this is an 3105 02:42:55.799 --> 02:42:57.120 American football. 3106 02:42:57.479 --> 02:42:59.520 So well, I have here see you? You know football? 3107 02:43:00.479 --> 02:43:03.600 Are you aware of the sport? Yeah? 3108 02:43:03.639 --> 02:43:04.399 I know, football? 3109 02:43:04.559 --> 02:43:06.559 Is said, So I like to do you when I 3110 02:43:06.639 --> 02:43:09.000 come home? He's just throw a football. 3111 02:43:09.280 --> 02:43:11.239 Did he say, hold on, I can't let you not 3112 02:43:11.280 --> 02:43:14.399 get recrded for this? Did he say are you aware 3113 02:43:14.399 --> 02:43:19.000 of the sport? What he said? Are you aware of 3114 02:43:19.040 --> 02:43:22.479 the sport? Because he says it almost like he's trying 3115 02:43:22.520 --> 02:43:25.079 to be accommodating, but there's still like condescension in it. 3116 02:43:25.200 --> 02:43:27.479 You know, It's like how a priest talks to somebody. 3117 02:43:27.559 --> 02:43:29.680 You know, it's like a lot of judgment in there, 3118 02:43:29.760 --> 02:43:32.680 but he's he's making it seem like an honest entreaty. 3119 02:43:32.760 --> 02:43:38.680 You know, are you are you aware of the sport? 3120 02:43:38.959 --> 02:43:41.120 It's like, what do you think I am? Fucking brain dead. 3121 02:43:41.959 --> 02:43:42.719 Oh my god. 3122 02:43:43.239 --> 02:43:45.680 Like I'm from Bangladesh. Yes, I know where football is. 3123 02:43:46.760 --> 02:43:49.079 Everybody in the globe knows about American football. 3124 02:43:49.520 --> 02:43:50.799 I like to toss this thing around. 3125 02:43:50.840 --> 02:43:51.319 That's what I do. 3126 02:43:51.559 --> 02:43:52.159 Spare time. 3127 02:43:53.399 --> 02:43:58.040 I tossed things in my my spared time. Sometimes I toss. 3128 02:44:08.159 --> 02:44:08.680 Oh well. 3129 02:44:10.239 --> 02:44:13.559 I shouldn't. I shouldn't. You know who else tosses things 3130 02:44:13.600 --> 02:44:16.319 in the spare time Atterson? 3131 02:44:21.559 --> 02:44:22.760 Oh good, So. 3132 02:44:25.559 --> 02:44:29.719 It is tremendous. And we thank him for his candor, uh, 3133 02:44:30.040 --> 02:44:34.239 for his service, and for his guidance to parenting. I 3134 02:44:34.360 --> 02:44:37.680 here in the pages of magazine. So this is two thousand. Man, 3135 02:44:37.719 --> 02:44:39.719 you thought it was weird before, We're just getting weirder. 3136 02:44:40.719 --> 02:44:45.159 So to revisit, recall that Brett won the title at 3137 02:44:45.840 --> 02:44:49.280 Stark ninety nine. Yes, and then I defended it a 3138 02:44:49.319 --> 02:44:50.920 couple times, had the match with Terry Funk on Thunder 3139 02:44:50.959 --> 02:44:52.639 we talked about and then went out with a concussion 3140 02:44:52.719 --> 02:44:57.040 that later caused the well cause the memory loss and 3141 02:44:57.200 --> 02:44:59.879 all the all the real serious issues for bretton he 3142 02:45:00.079 --> 02:45:02.559 they would, for all intents and purposes, never wrestle again. 3143 02:45:03.120 --> 02:45:05.040 So we got to figure out something to do with 3144 02:45:05.040 --> 02:45:10.120 the belt. Brett vacates it, yeah, and retires nine months later. 3145 02:45:10.280 --> 02:45:12.760 And here's Vince Russo in his book about the position 3146 02:45:12.840 --> 02:45:14.600 to put him in his ww booker at the time. 3147 02:45:16.040 --> 02:45:20.040 What if Sid outlasted twenty six other opponents and a 3148 02:45:20.120 --> 02:45:22.559 thirty to forty five minute span he's talking about like 3149 02:45:22.600 --> 02:45:23.479 a battle royal idea? 3150 02:45:23.959 --> 02:45:24.639 What the fuck? 3151 02:45:25.079 --> 02:45:27.680 Yeah, he went to like a royal rumble. Okay, what 3152 02:45:27.879 --> 02:45:32.319 if Sid was in the ring alone, battered, beaten, hurt, bloodied. Well, 3153 02:45:32.360 --> 02:45:36.120 that's going to be a long negotiation, Vince. Yeah, exactly, 3154 02:45:36.319 --> 02:45:39.200 worn out, tired and dead on his feet when the 3155 02:45:39.360 --> 02:45:43.479 last competitor made his way out to the ring. What 3156 02:45:43.760 --> 02:45:48.440 if that last competitor was a fresh, hungry lion looking 3157 02:45:48.559 --> 02:45:51.959 to make a name for himself in the wrestling business. 3158 02:45:53.000 --> 02:45:57.040 What if that competitor was a shoot fighter by the 3159 02:45:57.200 --> 02:46:01.239 name a Tank Abbot. Well, again, let's get back to 3160 02:46:01.399 --> 02:46:07.479 what if this were real? If this were what if? Yeah, 3161 02:46:07.680 --> 02:46:10.200 that's a big one, Vince, that's not his minder. If 3162 02:46:10.239 --> 02:46:12.520 this were real, almost nothing we do would make would 3163 02:46:12.520 --> 02:46:18.319 would make any sense. If this were real, Tank Abbott 3164 02:46:18.360 --> 02:46:21.479 would have hit the shocked Sid one time and send 3165 02:46:21.559 --> 02:46:25.840 him sailing over the top rope. Then, much to his 3166 02:46:26.000 --> 02:46:30.920 surprise and everyone else's. Tank g Abbott would have been 3167 02:46:31.079 --> 02:46:34.360 standing in the center of the ring do w c 3168 02:46:34.799 --> 02:46:39.719 W World Heavyweight Champion. That's what would happen if this 3169 02:46:39.840 --> 02:46:43.120 were real. Okay, So if this were real, Okay, So 3170 02:46:43.479 --> 02:46:47.920 this is what he's saying. If this were real, Tank 3171 02:46:47.920 --> 02:46:49.840 would get in the ring and punch Sid so hard 3172 02:46:49.920 --> 02:46:53.319 he'd fly over the rooms. Just think how ridiculous that is. First, 3173 02:46:53.799 --> 02:46:57.520 imagine this idea that like you leave your feet like that. 3174 02:46:57.600 --> 02:46:58.319 When you get punched. 3175 02:46:58.600 --> 02:47:02.879 Fucking hilarious. He hit the ground like a sack of potatoes. 3176 02:47:02.879 --> 02:47:04.959 He wouldn't go over the top rope. It didn't make 3177 02:47:04.959 --> 02:47:06.120 any sense I now. 3178 02:47:06.280 --> 02:47:06.760 Not at all. 3179 02:47:07.280 --> 02:47:11.159 Then, much to his surprise and everybody else's. Okay, I 3180 02:47:11.200 --> 02:47:17.000 already read that. That's what would happen if this were real. Terry, 3181 02:47:17.159 --> 02:47:19.639 he's talking about Terry Taylor, Bill, he'sund about Bill Bush 3182 02:47:19.959 --> 02:47:26.319 and whoever else was there, digested it, tweaked it. What 3183 02:47:26.399 --> 02:47:26.799 do you say? 3184 02:47:30.000 --> 02:47:30.120 Oh? 3185 02:47:30.200 --> 02:47:31.799 I think I failed to copy the rest of this. 3186 02:47:32.000 --> 02:47:39.680 Let me get this back here. Sorry, everybody, brother, this 3187 02:47:39.840 --> 02:47:44.040 is not what What did you get me again? 3188 02:47:44.360 --> 02:47:44.639 Terry? 3189 02:47:46.879 --> 02:47:51.360 Why don't we visit with Trump pulling this up? Visit 3190 02:47:51.440 --> 02:47:53.639 with Sid going over a ninety eight that Frank got 3191 02:47:53.680 --> 02:47:55.159 in a math test in tenth grade. 3192 02:47:58.239 --> 02:48:02.120 Frank comes home from school, right, and it's like, you know, 3193 02:48:03.000 --> 02:48:05.239 it's it's it's a little bit later, you know, think 3194 02:48:05.239 --> 02:48:11.520 about it during it's like winter, and so it's you know, 3195 02:48:11.600 --> 02:48:13.920 he comes back here like some kind of practice or whatever. 3196 02:48:14.000 --> 02:48:16.399 And so he's back home like maybe five o'clock, so 3197 02:48:16.479 --> 02:48:21.200 it's dark outside, no lights on in the house, comes inside, enters, 3198 02:48:21.239 --> 02:48:25.520 the door, closes, the door. Did you get ninety eight 3199 02:48:25.600 --> 02:48:28.879 on tesst Yes? And then click and the light turns on. 3200 02:48:29.040 --> 02:48:32.360 And there's fucking Sid sitting in his chair waiting for 3201 02:48:32.479 --> 02:48:36.040 Frank to come home, waiting for him to come home. Oh, 3202 02:48:38.120 --> 02:48:40.319 do you want letter graded to a ninety eight? 3203 02:48:40.520 --> 02:48:40.559 Is? 3204 02:48:42.120 --> 02:48:43.280 Do you know today? 3205 02:48:43.360 --> 02:48:43.600 Plus? 3206 02:48:43.719 --> 02:48:47.040 Dad? Is it one hundred? 3207 02:48:47.280 --> 02:48:47.319 No? 3208 02:48:49.319 --> 02:48:51.959 And what I want you to do right now is 3209 02:48:52.000 --> 02:48:55.120 I don't want you to go outside. You walk back 3210 02:48:55.200 --> 02:48:59.399 to that school and you walk back to that teacher 3211 02:49:00.159 --> 02:49:02.959 and you tell him I'm gonna take this test again, yes, 3212 02:49:03.079 --> 02:49:07.479 until I get a hundred yes that it's it's not 3213 02:49:07.600 --> 02:49:10.200 five point thirty. Then there's nobody. I don't care. You 3214 02:49:10.440 --> 02:49:15.719 shut up now, you get out there. You come back 3215 02:49:15.799 --> 02:49:18.600 to the school and you don't come back here until 3216 02:49:18.639 --> 02:49:26.920 you get a hundred? Do you understand me, Frank, Yes, sir. 3217 02:49:27.040 --> 02:49:34.639 Shut up, listen, listen. I don't know if you should 3218 02:49:34.719 --> 02:49:39.079 know this, but that works every time I walk around 3219 02:49:39.680 --> 02:49:40.280 in my head. 3220 02:49:40.440 --> 02:49:41.120 Just shut up. 3221 02:49:41.680 --> 02:49:45.680 It's just the funniest ship. Oh my god, it's so great. 3222 02:49:47.399 --> 02:49:50.520 All right, tweaked it and then said, let's do it. Okay, 3223 02:49:50.600 --> 02:49:51.959 Remember every. 3224 02:49:54.159 --> 02:49:55.159 Every terrible. 3225 02:49:57.840 --> 02:49:59.280 I heard, guys are tweaking the script. 3226 02:49:59.319 --> 02:50:00.239 Dude, it's a what. 3227 02:50:04.399 --> 02:50:06.040 Well terry, you know, we talked it over and we 3228 02:50:06.120 --> 02:50:06.799 did some tweaking. 3229 02:50:06.959 --> 02:50:10.280 What what what do you mean tweaking? Dude? I don't 3230 02:50:10.280 --> 02:50:15.799 tweak anything. What like I'm tweaking right now? Brother, I'm healthy. 3231 02:50:15.959 --> 02:50:20.000 What there's always that's always like, you know, his thing? 3232 02:50:20.159 --> 02:50:22.719 Like you know, everyone else in the room wanted to 3233 02:50:22.719 --> 02:50:26.120 make Booker champion. Everyone in the room was okay with it. 3234 02:50:28.319 --> 02:50:30.639 Let's do it, they all said, According to Russo, could 3235 02:50:30.719 --> 02:50:33.200 they have had reservations and been afraid to speak up? 3236 02:50:33.399 --> 02:50:33.719 Maybe? 3237 02:50:33.920 --> 02:50:38.040 And that's cool to this day, I take full responsibility 3238 02:50:38.120 --> 02:50:40.840 for that decision, and we'd do it again tomorrow. 3239 02:50:40.959 --> 02:50:41.040 Bro. 3240 02:50:42.040 --> 02:50:45.840 Where did we go from there? Who knew we weren't 3241 02:50:45.920 --> 02:50:49.600 going to figure that out tonight. Actually, he never liked 3242 02:50:49.639 --> 02:50:51.479 that question, well, where is this going? He did not 3243 02:50:51.639 --> 02:50:53.760 like that because he did not think that way, and 3244 02:50:53.879 --> 02:50:56.600 that is why there was always a ceiling on what 3245 02:50:56.680 --> 02:50:59.879 he could achieve in wrestling. We weren't going to figure 3246 02:51:00.159 --> 02:51:02.639 out tonight, but I had enough confidence in my writing 3247 02:51:02.719 --> 02:51:05.319 ability to know that we would have taken it where 3248 02:51:05.399 --> 02:51:08.440 it needed to go. All you have to do is 3249 02:51:08.520 --> 02:51:11.200 listen to the fans. So let's book tank Abbot to 3250 02:51:11.239 --> 02:51:14.159 win the belt. See if it works, you go with it. 3251 02:51:14.520 --> 02:51:16.360 If it's so, you listen to the fans. So the 3252 02:51:16.399 --> 02:51:17.799 fans wanted tank Abbot. 3253 02:51:20.440 --> 02:51:23.040 That's what he's saying. Yes, he's saying, the fans want 3254 02:51:23.079 --> 02:51:24.840 what I want, And if the fans don't want what 3255 02:51:24.920 --> 02:51:28.959 I want, then I'll I'll change and pretend that they 3256 02:51:29.000 --> 02:51:32.120 want something different than what they wanted before. Not they 3257 02:51:32.200 --> 02:51:36.120 wanted something different than me all along. Right, Okay, so 3258 02:51:36.159 --> 02:51:39.520 now he's gonna be oh, sleep with the one. 3259 02:51:39.559 --> 02:51:39.840 Okay. 3260 02:51:41.079 --> 02:51:44.200 Bill starts the conversation by saying, Vince, is it true 3261 02:51:44.239 --> 02:51:47.639 that you're gonna put the WCW world title on tank Abbot? Vince, 3262 02:51:47.719 --> 02:51:50.559 you can't do that. So he's got all this context 3263 02:51:50.600 --> 02:51:58.399 about okay, the sabotage. Okay, Somewhere in this mess a 3264 02:51:58.479 --> 02:52:00.520 meeting was set up by Bill Bush. You would also 3265 02:52:00.520 --> 02:52:04.000 be attending between myself, Hulkgan, and Ric Flair to discuss 3266 02:52:04.040 --> 02:52:05.959 where we plan to go with their characters. Remember, at 3267 02:52:06.000 --> 02:52:07.920 the time, Hogan and Flair were off TV as we 3268 02:52:08.000 --> 02:52:11.040 were strategizing a way to build for a monumental return 3269 02:52:11.120 --> 02:52:13.799 that would position them in the appropriate way at that 3270 02:52:13.959 --> 02:52:17.319 point in their careers. And that plan was already in gear. 3271 02:52:17.680 --> 02:52:22.000 Slowly but surely, we were eliminating the major players from WCW. 3272 02:52:22.719 --> 02:52:25.000 I know what the timesting was on Hiatus. Blah blah blah. 3273 02:52:25.120 --> 02:52:27.600 This is irrelevant talk about a work Are you kidding me? 3274 02:52:27.639 --> 02:52:29.600 Your what if that show isn't scripted? Blah blah blah. 3275 02:52:30.120 --> 02:52:31.840 So the morning of the Big Pow Wow, which was 3276 02:52:31.879 --> 02:52:33.799 the day after we came up with the Tank game plan, 3277 02:52:33.920 --> 02:52:36.920 I got a call from Bill Bush. Bill starts the 3278 02:52:37.000 --> 02:52:39.840 conversation by saying, Vince, is it true that you're going 3279 02:52:39.920 --> 02:52:43.440 to put the WCW world title on Tank Abbot? Vince, 3280 02:52:43.559 --> 02:52:48.639 you can't do that. Okay. So, so it's not bad 3281 02:52:48.799 --> 02:52:51.159 enough that the restlers are bookers, but now we have 3282 02:52:51.600 --> 02:52:56.159 our first accountant turned booker. No, I was smarter than that. 3283 02:52:56.840 --> 02:53:00.600 Bill Bush didn't know Tank Abbot from Bud Abbot. Obviously, 3284 02:53:00.760 --> 02:53:03.639 sometime between Thursday night and his Friday morning phone call, 3285 02:53:04.120 --> 02:53:08.360 somebody had gotten to him. You see how this stuff works, Bro. Now, 3286 02:53:08.440 --> 02:53:11.280 if I'm in Tony Soprano, there's a rat in the ranks, 3287 02:53:11.520 --> 02:53:14.079 and Sylvia and PAULI are doing a strip search looking 3288 02:53:14.120 --> 02:53:16.479 for wires. But in my heart of hearts, I didn't 3289 02:53:16.479 --> 02:53:18.719 believe that. I believe that somebody in that meeting told 3290 02:53:18.840 --> 02:53:21.200 somebody in passing what we planned on doing at that 3291 02:53:21.319 --> 02:53:24.879 Sunday's pay per view. That somebody then probably told one 3292 02:53:24.920 --> 02:53:27.879 of Bill Bush's minions, who in turn couldn't wait to 3293 02:53:27.959 --> 02:53:30.760 tell Billy Bones. Then Bush, who really didn't have a 3294 02:53:30.840 --> 02:53:33.600 clue about wrestling and really didn't care for that matter, 3295 02:53:34.040 --> 02:53:37.079 gets worked into a frenzy by this said minion until 3296 02:53:37.120 --> 02:53:40.360 he's convinced that this one angle, Bro is going to 3297 02:53:40.520 --> 02:53:46.200 bring down not only WCW, but TBS, TNT, CNN, the 3298 02:53:46.319 --> 02:53:50.959 Atlanta Braves, Ted Turner, Jane Fonda, Jane's co stars and 3299 02:53:51.079 --> 02:53:54.040 nine to five, Lily Tomlin and Dolly Parton, and last 3300 02:53:54.120 --> 02:53:57.239 but not least the entire chain of Ted's Montana grills. 3301 02:53:57.360 --> 02:53:58.920 What is he talking about. 3302 02:54:00.959 --> 02:54:03.920 Saying that's instant to take tank abb At the world champion. 3303 02:54:04.440 --> 02:54:06.920 Everything Ted Turner own will go to zero in terms 3304 02:54:06.959 --> 02:54:12.239 of value, Thus the frantic phone quality that his wife 3305 02:54:12.280 --> 02:54:15.879 will go to zero. Basically at that point, I didn't 3306 02:54:15.879 --> 02:54:18.120 even try to explain the angle to Bush. Maybe I 3307 02:54:18.200 --> 02:54:20.680 should have, bro but at the time the whole notion 3308 02:54:21.000 --> 02:54:23.920 was ridiculous. So I told Bill that I'd see him 3309 02:54:24.000 --> 02:54:26.479 later and we talk about it. At that point, I 3310 02:54:26.559 --> 02:54:28.639 hung up the phone, picked it up again and. 3311 02:54:28.760 --> 02:54:32.319 Called my attorney. Do we need to go any further? 3312 02:54:32.479 --> 02:54:35.159 Not on this episode, But that's that's that's where Sid 3313 02:54:35.360 --> 02:54:39.760 is finding himself insinuated, and so is mentioned. By the 3314 02:54:39.840 --> 02:54:43.840 time everything gets reconstituted and reshuffled around, and the plan 3315 02:54:44.040 --> 02:54:47.920 to you know, crown a new WCW champion after Brett 3316 02:54:47.959 --> 02:54:50.920 Hart had to relinquish, goes from tank Abbot beating Sid 3317 02:54:51.040 --> 02:54:53.959 in a battle royal. It goes to, well, let's finally 3318 02:54:54.040 --> 02:54:57.799 push Chris Benoir because, as you've referenced, Benoit and his 3319 02:54:57.959 --> 02:55:00.920 compadres and what would soon be the radic Coals were 3320 02:55:00.959 --> 02:55:03.959 making it very clear that the ouster of Vince Russo 3321 02:55:04.000 --> 02:55:06.319 and the replacement of him with Kevin Sullivan was not 3322 02:55:06.840 --> 02:55:11.000 a tenable situation for them, and so in a last 3323 02:55:11.040 --> 02:55:15.120 ditch attempt essentially to prevent an exodus of this talent, 3324 02:55:15.840 --> 02:55:18.440 which you know, by the way, anyone who acts like 3325 02:55:18.959 --> 02:55:21.840 WCW didn't really know how valuable these guys were, has 3326 02:55:21.920 --> 02:55:24.639 to look at the fact that they fucking made ben 3327 02:55:24.719 --> 02:55:28.000 Wall the world champion without any logical reason because they 3328 02:55:28.040 --> 02:55:32.280 were that desperate right to prevent it, makes ben Wa 3329 02:55:32.399 --> 02:55:37.079 the champion in an apparent olive branch to get ben 3330 02:55:37.120 --> 02:55:40.840 Wata stick around, and so on January sixteenth, two thousand, 3331 02:55:40.920 --> 02:55:44.799 in Cincinnati, Ohio, Chris Benoit applies to Crippler cross face 3332 02:55:44.840 --> 02:55:46.840 after a match, not unlike the Fall Brown ninety nine 3333 02:55:46.879 --> 02:55:50.440 match we talked about last time. In the process, Sid's 3334 02:55:50.479 --> 02:55:52.239 foot is under the bottom rope, but the referee does 3335 02:55:52.280 --> 02:55:55.159 not see that foot and registers the tap out from Sid, 3336 02:55:55.239 --> 02:55:57.239 who apparently is just lost clean to Chris ben Water 3337 02:55:57.239 --> 02:55:59.879 a crown, a new WCW World champion. And here is 3338 02:56:00.200 --> 02:56:01.479 that we'll about to find out. 3339 02:56:01.479 --> 02:56:03.079 I'm sure he agreed with that. I'm sure he totally 3340 02:56:03.079 --> 02:56:03.559 agreed with that. 3341 02:56:03.799 --> 02:56:06.639 Here is Sid in a shoot interview talking about how 3342 02:56:06.680 --> 02:56:07.440 this all came together. 3343 02:56:07.920 --> 02:56:09.559 I didn't even know what until the day before the 3344 02:56:09.719 --> 02:56:12.959 day of the match to Terry Taylor was an agent. 3345 02:56:13.120 --> 02:56:15.360 Time told me that in the gym, and I was 3346 02:56:15.479 --> 02:56:17.799 really upset for the first app set. But I was, 3347 02:56:18.079 --> 02:56:20.959 you know, confused and a little pissed off thinking now, 3348 02:56:21.360 --> 02:56:24.360 two things. One we know this rumor about the assigned 3349 02:56:24.440 --> 02:56:28.680 petition trying to you know, start whatever. That just doesn't 3350 02:56:28.719 --> 02:56:32.920 go in this business. The other two is, no, Chris 3351 02:56:33.040 --> 02:56:36.399 is a help, hard worker, but he's never going to 3352 02:56:36.440 --> 02:56:38.719 be a big money draw and so fun to take 3353 02:56:38.760 --> 02:56:41.000 the belt off me and I have say, put it 3354 02:56:41.079 --> 02:56:41.840 on someone better. 3355 02:56:42.600 --> 02:56:45.319 I thought that was a mistake. Yeah, and you're staying 3356 02:56:45.559 --> 02:56:48.479 and he's leaving right, Yeah, And I'm there. 3357 02:56:48.639 --> 02:56:50.680 You know, I'm doing everything the company's assle I'm not 3358 02:56:50.760 --> 02:56:54.559 trying to start my own union for my own petition 3359 02:56:54.680 --> 02:56:56.680 of people that you know, I only want this guy 3360 02:56:56.760 --> 02:56:58.559 to work here because he only does good things for us. 3361 02:56:58.559 --> 02:57:04.040 Of the whole thing was they it was him, Ben law, Malinko, 3362 02:57:04.280 --> 02:57:07.879 Perry Satter, and Shane Douglas. I might have been a 3363 02:57:07.920 --> 02:57:11.159 ble man as he was all these smaller guys that 3364 02:57:11.200 --> 02:57:13.319 are never going to beak the potential of the big guy. 3365 02:57:13.840 --> 02:57:16.719 They wanted that spot and through russo they were going 3366 02:57:16.799 --> 02:57:20.239 to get because you and that was his that was 3367 02:57:20.319 --> 02:57:21.280 his link in trying to. 3368 02:57:21.280 --> 02:57:23.520 Keep his job. Yeah, he had that you know that, 3369 02:57:23.680 --> 02:57:27.440 no uh following, but it didn't work out. 3370 02:57:27.920 --> 02:57:29.799 So instead, in ben Wan Guerrero's case, at least they 3371 02:57:29.840 --> 02:57:33.200 just went to WWF and became those guys, right right, Fine, 3372 02:57:33.760 --> 02:57:36.040 So that's that's all you need to know about Sid's 3373 02:57:36.040 --> 02:57:39.079 mentality about the whole thing. It's I first, size first, 3374 02:57:39.680 --> 02:57:41.520 and but it goes down the way it does. And 3375 02:57:41.680 --> 02:57:44.479 you have to give him credit for well doing as 3376 02:57:44.520 --> 02:57:45.920 close to a clean job as I think you could 3377 02:57:45.959 --> 02:57:48.159 expect to get out of the man at the time. Sure, 3378 02:57:48.639 --> 02:57:50.760 Kevin Sullivan was basically booking at the time, which is 3379 02:57:50.799 --> 02:57:53.479 the problem. And he reflected in an interview with Hannibal 3380 02:57:53.520 --> 02:57:56.120 one time about what it was like in this circumstance 3381 02:57:56.159 --> 02:57:57.159 and others to work with Sid. 3382 02:57:58.040 --> 02:58:03.000 I had a wonderful relationship with Sid Vicious. If you 3383 02:58:03.200 --> 02:58:07.799 told Sid straight up what was going to happen, he 3384 02:58:08.120 --> 02:58:11.120 would go along with it as long as you'd been 3385 02:58:11.239 --> 02:58:13.920 bullshit him. I mean, he put ben water over for 3386 02:58:14.079 --> 02:58:17.680 me in the middle of the ring with the cross face, 3387 02:58:18.200 --> 02:58:20.760 and he didn't want to do it. 3388 02:58:21.399 --> 02:58:22.840 He did not want to do it. 3389 02:58:22.959 --> 02:58:24.600 I mean I was in the room. I went to 3390 02:58:24.719 --> 02:58:28.159 the room with him and me by myself with him, 3391 02:58:28.520 --> 02:58:32.360 and we talked, and he had every reason in the 3392 02:58:32.440 --> 02:58:34.799 world to tell me why he didn't want to do it. 3393 02:58:35.000 --> 02:58:39.040 I said, well, it's this kid's time, and he said, 3394 02:58:40.239 --> 02:58:44.159 I'll do it. And he could have went to somebody 3395 02:58:44.239 --> 02:58:51.000 else and some of his haifaction, not just Eric, he 3396 02:58:51.079 --> 02:58:54.600 could have went and maybe would have been overturned. But 3397 02:58:55.040 --> 02:58:57.399 he was to me easy to work with. 3398 02:58:58.639 --> 02:59:00.399 I'd love to know who he's referencing this. That Sid 3399 02:59:00.440 --> 02:59:02.920 could have gone to his other faction. I'm not sure 3400 02:59:03.040 --> 02:59:05.600 that was a reference, right, But yeah, So as far 3401 02:59:05.639 --> 02:59:07.639 as Kevin was concerned, he took a little bit of convincing, 3402 02:59:07.719 --> 02:59:10.479 but Sid agrees to uh to do it. 3403 02:59:10.959 --> 02:59:11.120 Yeah. 3404 02:59:11.159 --> 02:59:12.680 I think when push came to shove at this point 3405 02:59:12.719 --> 02:59:14.639 in his career, Sid, while he was going to be 3406 02:59:14.639 --> 02:59:16.159 a pain in the ass, would not walk out over 3407 02:59:16.239 --> 02:59:18.639 things anymore because that was that money was too good. 3408 02:59:19.239 --> 02:59:21.479 Yeah, Oh for sure, I can't. I mean, you wouldn't 3409 02:59:21.479 --> 02:59:22.920 want to walk out of that fucking contract. 3410 02:59:23.000 --> 02:59:24.600 But he did get a finish where there's foots under 3411 02:59:24.600 --> 02:59:26.799 the rope for Christ's sake. So right, let's not pretend 3412 02:59:26.840 --> 02:59:28.760 it was clean in the middle like you said it was. 3413 02:59:29.000 --> 02:59:30.639 It was so far away from the middle that Sid's 3414 02:59:30.639 --> 02:59:34.600 foot could in fact reach the rope. So that's what happens. 3415 02:59:34.639 --> 02:59:36.399 It sold out. We turned the page to the next night, 3416 02:59:36.479 --> 02:59:39.600 January seventeenth, two thousand, nitrosen Columbus, and the first thing 3417 02:59:39.639 --> 02:59:42.000 they tell us on the broadcast is that Chris Benoa, 3418 02:59:42.200 --> 02:59:43.799 who just won the world title last night on pay 3419 02:59:43.799 --> 02:59:46.559 per view, has in fact been stripped boss of that championship. 3420 02:59:47.000 --> 02:59:49.239 And he's been stripped because Sid Vicious's foot was under 3421 02:59:49.239 --> 02:59:51.559 the rope at the time of the submission. And so 3422 02:59:52.879 --> 02:59:55.520 the I guess the championship committee reviewed that fact and 3423 02:59:55.600 --> 02:59:57.879 made the title change null and void. We are never 3424 02:59:57.959 --> 03:00:00.879 to see Chris Benoa or Eddie Gerro or Malinko or 3425 03:00:00.959 --> 03:00:04.360 Perry Saturn in WCW ever again, wow, and we have 3426 03:00:04.440 --> 03:00:06.239 to plug the hole. So the next week on Nitro, 3427 03:00:06.440 --> 03:00:09.639 the January twenty fourth, two thousand, Nitro from La Sid 3428 03:00:10.000 --> 03:00:12.639 first has to climb a huge mountain to qualify for 3429 03:00:12.719 --> 03:00:13.879 a world title shot. 3430 03:00:14.120 --> 03:00:30.000 He's a lapsed fall wrestling podcast, the wrestling podcast that 3431 03:00:30.159 --> 03:00:33.600 knows the boys need their candy. It's the Lapsed Fan. 3432 03:00:48.319 --> 03:00:52.200 He's the Lapsed Fan Wrestling podcast with Jack and Carnacio 3433 03:00:52.600 --> 03:00:53.680 and JP Sorrow. 3434 03:00:54.120 --> 03:00:56.040 I'll give you three guesses of who he has to 3435 03:00:56.159 --> 03:00:58.639 defeat in a handicap match to get the right to 3436 03:00:58.680 --> 03:01:00.440 face Kevin Nash for the belt and the main event 3437 03:01:00.479 --> 03:01:01.239 of this nitro. 3438 03:01:02.879 --> 03:01:03.120 Lash. 3439 03:01:03.159 --> 03:01:07.479 LaRue No, I think it's something that will really draw 3440 03:01:07.600 --> 03:01:08.680 ratings in two thousand. 3441 03:01:11.600 --> 03:01:17.000 Ah, David Arquette, no, oh fuck it. 3442 03:01:17.159 --> 03:01:23.159 The Harris Twins, huh. They come up with a thing 3443 03:01:23.680 --> 03:01:26.159 where Sid has to beat Ron and Don Harris and 3444 03:01:26.200 --> 03:01:29.879 a handicap match first before beating Kevin Nash and the 3445 03:01:29.920 --> 03:01:30.479 main event. 3446 03:01:30.319 --> 03:01:32.000 To become I hate the Harris Twins. 3447 03:01:32.120 --> 03:01:32.879 Oh my god. 3448 03:01:33.600 --> 03:01:40.959 I never understood why, just why why? You know, when 3449 03:01:41.000 --> 03:01:43.000 they were the Blues, that's. 3450 03:01:42.879 --> 03:01:45.079 When you know Jared's got some stroke when they're in 3451 03:01:46.719 --> 03:01:49.079 and it's not to anyone's benefit. So yeah, the week 3452 03:01:49.159 --> 03:01:51.440 after they take the belt off, or at least announced 3453 03:01:51.440 --> 03:01:53.239 ben one ever really won the belt. The very next week, 3454 03:01:53.479 --> 03:01:56.719 this is the plan. In La No Less Los Angeles, 3455 03:01:56.799 --> 03:01:58.399 Sid is going to beat the Harris Brothers and then 3456 03:01:58.399 --> 03:02:00.079 he's going to face Nash and the main event for 3457 03:02:00.159 --> 03:02:03.719 the vacant title. And indeed that's how it plays out. 3458 03:02:04.399 --> 03:02:07.719 And all of a sudden, despite all this craziness and 3459 03:02:07.799 --> 03:02:11.840 Sid being just a complete you know NPC in this 3460 03:02:11.920 --> 03:02:14.319 whole thing, this is what happens Texas. 3461 03:02:14.319 --> 03:02:16.200 See if the hold is legally not a kill called 3462 03:02:17.520 --> 03:02:18.079 and a lot. 3463 03:02:18.000 --> 03:02:21.000 Of common it's on Kevin Naxas states now and he 3464 03:02:21.120 --> 03:02:23.840 may be account away for winning the world title. 3465 03:02:25.959 --> 03:02:37.280 Oh no, no, he's alive, guys, very much so, Bob 3466 03:02:37.399 --> 03:02:38.600 Sama breaking the corner. 3467 03:02:38.760 --> 03:02:40.840 It was a great mode by Sid to back up 3468 03:02:40.879 --> 03:02:42.719 into the corner, but he had no idea that Charles 3469 03:02:42.840 --> 03:02:44.639 Robinson was there and the referees down. 3470 03:02:44.520 --> 03:02:47.799 And out and now Ship kicks us one in the 3471 03:02:47.879 --> 03:02:50.559 high deal with thought her good but the big book. 3472 03:02:50.639 --> 03:02:57.399 But coming on the rock, Sid, yeah, ky legs up 3473 03:02:57.479 --> 03:02:58.319 doing the right thing. 3474 03:02:58.440 --> 03:02:59.000 Doesn't matter. 3475 03:02:59.120 --> 03:03:01.200 There's nothing good come yea, but he should keeps the 3476 03:03:01.319 --> 03:03:07.760 pressure on. You're right, hold on up peter him like 3477 03:03:07.920 --> 03:03:08.840 a drama answer. 3478 03:03:09.639 --> 03:03:14.000 But he's our commission, guys, Nash stuffy. 3479 03:03:15.200 --> 03:03:17.399 Wrestler line for the world title. 3480 03:03:17.920 --> 03:03:19.840 It's gonna call Terry Funk Wyatt. 3481 03:03:19.520 --> 03:03:24.959 Earth Sibbcious, he's never what better has home? Here comes 3482 03:03:25.000 --> 03:03:26.280 the US tamp jip Jack. 3483 03:03:26.719 --> 03:03:29.120 Remember the power bobbier has been out loud. 3484 03:03:30.680 --> 03:03:31.879 And Jack gets himmocked. 3485 03:03:33.360 --> 03:03:36.680 Here he does this name that too? 3486 03:03:37.760 --> 03:03:45.799 Gets what? Sid goes down? What's he doing here? Happened 3487 03:03:45.799 --> 03:03:48.000 to say? I think he may be playing possum. Guys, 3488 03:03:48.680 --> 03:03:53.159 you maybe he just lord him. I understand, I understand 3489 03:03:53.159 --> 03:03:56.959 what's going on. You see the guitar. Sid's making the 3490 03:03:57.000 --> 03:03:58.760 referee believe he got hit with the guitar. 3491 03:04:00.120 --> 03:04:00.520 What up? 3492 03:04:00.760 --> 03:04:01.959 What breathing? 3493 03:04:04.719 --> 03:04:07.079 And he's he's gonna chip the lord. 3494 03:04:07.479 --> 03:04:08.559 He's gonna cover Ken. 3495 03:04:15.120 --> 03:04:19.239 Said, he are smarter than he has He are smarter. 3496 03:04:19.440 --> 03:04:21.040 Do you see that you are smarted? 3497 03:04:21.479 --> 03:04:22.760 I heard you three guys. 3498 03:04:27.399 --> 03:04:28.840 I got the original audio here. 3499 03:04:29.200 --> 03:04:33.760 That's good, said Vicious. 3500 03:04:34.760 --> 03:04:39.200 That's the celebration goes on elkuls real. 3501 03:04:39.079 --> 03:04:42.799 License the dread of every rustling w W. 3502 03:04:45.040 --> 03:04:49.639 Here's the dull felt in the lane with all the power, 3503 03:04:49.760 --> 03:04:52.200 with all the brown used his brain. 3504 03:04:54.040 --> 03:04:55.799 Mon celebration. 3505 03:04:59.079 --> 03:04:59.360 Happen. 3506 03:04:59.440 --> 03:04:59.959 What he's done? 3507 03:05:00.440 --> 03:05:00.840 He didn't know? 3508 03:05:08.840 --> 03:05:09.600 That is the question. 3509 03:05:10.239 --> 03:05:10.959 That is the question. 3510 03:05:11.159 --> 03:05:14.159 So there he is that that's very very raw. After 3511 03:05:15.440 --> 03:05:22.040 final four, you got this situation where the world titles 3512 03:05:22.079 --> 03:05:24.719 in flux and no one knows what the hell is 3513 03:05:24.719 --> 03:05:27.719 going on, and Sid's just the guy that makes sense 3514 03:05:27.799 --> 03:05:28.360 to go with at that. 3515 03:05:28.399 --> 03:05:33.799 Moment in time. Man, that seems to be way in 3516 03:05:33.840 --> 03:05:34.200 the world. 3517 03:05:35.079 --> 03:05:37.840 If you're wondering what kind of a smashing rating success was, 3518 03:05:37.920 --> 03:05:39.799 because no matter what you can say about Sid, he 3519 03:05:39.920 --> 03:05:43.840 was a draw six point eight for Raw, three point 3520 03:05:43.920 --> 03:05:47.239 one for Nitro, head to head six point seven to 3521 03:05:47.360 --> 03:05:56.159 two point six. Okay, in the head ten hours. Great stuff. Now, 3522 03:05:57.280 --> 03:05:58.719 if you think this is the beginning of a long 3523 03:05:58.760 --> 03:06:01.680 and prosperous rain for cid WW World Heavyweight Champion here 3524 03:06:01.760 --> 03:06:03.440 on January twenty fourth, how about. 3525 03:06:05.000 --> 03:06:05.040 No? 3526 03:06:05.760 --> 03:06:08.399 Now, how about Boston? Instead? He vacates it the next 3527 03:06:08.520 --> 03:06:10.719 night when they tape Thunder. Oh yeah, that makes sense 3528 03:06:11.000 --> 03:06:13.840 in Vegas because they announced that commission Kevin Nash has 3529 03:06:13.879 --> 03:06:17.040 in fact stripped Sid of the championship because Sid pinned 3530 03:06:17.479 --> 03:06:22.079 the wrong Harris brother. Oh come on, in the in 3531 03:06:22.159 --> 03:06:26.399 the earlier mixed tag match handicap match, what are we 3532 03:06:26.479 --> 03:06:29.719 doing here? Are we putting the belt on Sid? 3533 03:06:29.799 --> 03:06:30.200 Or aren't we? 3534 03:06:30.280 --> 03:06:30.799 What I mean? 3535 03:06:30.840 --> 03:06:32.719 How do they know right exactly? 3536 03:06:33.200 --> 03:06:33.840 They're twins? 3537 03:06:34.280 --> 03:06:35.879 So this Arizona, January twenty sixth. 3538 03:06:35.920 --> 03:06:37.000 Did they do a DNA test? 3539 03:06:38.479 --> 03:06:40.600 Well, I'm sure the Twins could vouch for it. They 3540 03:06:40.639 --> 03:06:41.719 probably signed an affidavit. 3541 03:06:42.600 --> 03:06:45.600 Yeah, so I don't know. 3542 03:06:45.680 --> 03:06:48.000 I mean, if we're going to make this company mean something, 3543 03:06:48.079 --> 03:06:52.520 how about Kevin Nash just awards himself the belt back. 3544 03:06:54.040 --> 03:06:56.760 Oh totally, that's how we resolve this and that's what 3545 03:06:56.879 --> 03:07:03.000 he does as commissioner. And then on the same show, Yeah, 3546 03:07:04.040 --> 03:07:07.120 SID faces Kevin Nash in the cage. It's triangle cage 3547 03:07:07.159 --> 03:07:10.760 match with Ron Harris as the third guy. Oh my god, 3548 03:07:11.120 --> 03:07:13.440 I've main event anywhere in the country, ladies and gentlemen. 3549 03:07:13.559 --> 03:07:16.639 You know, we spend all that time or waxing nostalgically 3550 03:07:16.760 --> 03:07:18.520 for what it would have been like to see the 3551 03:07:18.600 --> 03:07:21.399 Shawn Michael's Brodheart SID triple Threat matches in ninety seven 3552 03:07:21.879 --> 03:07:24.120 and how novel that of a concept that was at 3553 03:07:24.120 --> 03:07:28.040 the time. Yeah, but I think if I have to 3554 03:07:28.079 --> 03:07:32.000 take one match with me on a remote island that 3555 03:07:32.079 --> 03:07:33.520 I have to watch every day for the rest of 3556 03:07:33.559 --> 03:07:34.680 my life, it's going to be. 3557 03:07:34.879 --> 03:07:37.959 Yeah, yeah, I listen. I want to watch anything with 3558 03:07:38.040 --> 03:07:38.959 the Harris Twins. 3559 03:07:38.760 --> 03:07:43.280 Kevin Nash versus Sid Vicious versus Ron Harris in a 3560 03:07:43.399 --> 03:07:47.719 triangle steel cage match. That was the match they made. 3561 03:07:48.959 --> 03:07:58.479 Yeah, what what, it's fine, it's a main event. 3562 03:08:04.879 --> 03:08:10.200 And it's tough. It's tough, and in this match, despite 3563 03:08:10.239 --> 03:08:13.479 all the fucking pointless shenanigans we just talked about on 3564 03:08:13.559 --> 03:08:17.559 the Nitro the night before, Sid wins back the belt 3565 03:08:18.760 --> 03:08:22.120 by submitting Kevin Nash with the crossface, the same move 3566 03:08:22.479 --> 03:08:23.920 Benoi used to submit him. 3567 03:08:28.120 --> 03:08:28.799 Jesus Christ. 3568 03:08:28.959 --> 03:08:36.799 I mean, I can't imagine the shenanigans that must have 3569 03:08:36.879 --> 03:08:39.920 happened to justify this being what you put out there, 3570 03:08:40.520 --> 03:08:46.760 just the agenda's being served. It's just it's impenetrable to me. 3571 03:08:46.840 --> 03:08:49.159 I cannot understand this. But Sid is the champion again 3572 03:08:49.760 --> 03:08:53.399 after not being the champion for a couple hours, and 3573 03:08:53.559 --> 03:08:56.680 of course this rain is as a prosperous one. It begins, 3574 03:08:56.719 --> 03:08:58.559 I guess you could say again on January twenty fifth, 3575 03:08:58.559 --> 03:09:02.520 two thousand, when this thunder airs, and it lasts all 3576 03:09:02.559 --> 03:09:06.799 the way up until we'll talk about what it looks 3577 03:09:06.879 --> 03:09:09.079 like to get to that point. They go to Binghamton 3578 03:09:09.239 --> 03:09:12.239 on February first, where he beats Mike Rotunda. Of course 3579 03:09:12.280 --> 03:09:16.760 a submission match. I mean, that's a main event right there. Unbelievable. 3580 03:09:17.000 --> 03:09:20.639 In two thousand block. They go to Birmingham, Binghamton, excuse me, 3581 03:09:20.719 --> 03:09:23.799 in New York on February first, he beats Rick Steiner. 3582 03:09:25.319 --> 03:09:29.479 They go to Amherst, mass On February second, where he 3583 03:09:29.559 --> 03:09:37.479 beats Al Green in a world title Yes, Sid Vicious 3584 03:09:37.520 --> 03:09:40.000 versus Al Green, And that's really throwing music fans off, 3585 03:09:40.079 --> 03:09:40.319 isn't it. 3586 03:09:42.360 --> 03:09:43.680 Charleston. Can you imagine? 3587 03:09:43.719 --> 03:09:45.479 Oh my god, oh my god, it's a battle for 3588 03:09:45.559 --> 03:09:50.600 the Grammys, Charleston. February third, he beats Jeff Jarrett for 3589 03:09:50.600 --> 03:09:53.200 the title, whichita. He beats Jarrett for the title. Not 3590 03:09:53.239 --> 03:09:56.040 a big fan of Jeff Jarrett. Sid when he's talks 3591 03:09:56.040 --> 03:09:59.239 about who for some reason, I go's some problem with 3592 03:09:59.280 --> 03:10:03.520 the guy Nitro. February seventh, Tulsa, he beats Scott Hall 3593 03:10:04.040 --> 03:10:06.040 and one on one match for the title. That's interesting. 3594 03:10:07.319 --> 03:10:09.479 Oklahoma City Febuery eighth, Don Harris and Ron Harris beat 3595 03:10:09.520 --> 03:10:11.479 Said Visius and Terry Funk. So Sid getting a chance 3596 03:10:11.479 --> 03:10:13.479 to team with Funk before obliterating him, as were about 3597 03:10:13.479 --> 03:10:15.920 to talk about on that pay per view. They go 3598 03:10:16.000 --> 03:10:18.719 to Germany where he beats Jeff Jarrett. He beats Jarrett 3599 03:10:18.719 --> 03:10:23.280 again in Oberhausen. In Leipzig, yes, he beats Jeff Jarrett. 3600 03:10:23.360 --> 03:10:26.120 They come back for Nitro at Nassau Colisseum on February fourteenth, 3601 03:10:26.120 --> 03:10:31.120 two thousand, where Jarrett beats Sid. I think it was Yeah, 3602 03:10:31.159 --> 03:10:32.879 it wasn't for the world title, it was for the 3603 03:10:33.040 --> 03:10:36.239 US title, for god knows what reason They're putting the 3604 03:10:36.399 --> 03:10:39.159 US champ over the world champ. They go to super Brawl, 3605 03:10:39.159 --> 03:10:40.600 the pay per view in February and that's where he 3606 03:10:40.680 --> 03:10:42.600 beats Jarrett and Hall in a three way no DQ 3607 03:10:42.760 --> 03:10:44.680 match to Sid to retain the championship. They go to 3608 03:10:44.760 --> 03:10:47.600 Renown Februy twenty second where he beats Lex Luger who 3609 03:10:47.680 --> 03:10:49.719 was going by the Total Package, not Lex Luger, Boss 3610 03:10:49.799 --> 03:10:53.200 the Total Package for god knows what reason. By d 3611 03:10:53.360 --> 03:10:56.159 Q Winnipeg on February sixteenth. He beats the Total Package 3612 03:10:56.159 --> 03:10:58.639 again for the world title in at World Title Match 3613 03:10:58.719 --> 03:11:01.200 Duluth February twenty seventh, two thousand, he beats the Total 3614 03:11:01.239 --> 03:11:04.200 Package Nitro for every twenty eighth Target Center, Minneapolis, he 3615 03:11:04.280 --> 03:11:08.399 beats if you can believe it, Tank Abbott, Oh God 3616 03:11:09.079 --> 03:11:13.399 for the World title Fargo February well in a world 3617 03:11:13.440 --> 03:11:18.120 title match. Oh he was already the champ. Fargo, North, Dkota. 3618 03:11:18.159 --> 03:11:20.319 For Every twenty ninth, Jeff Jarrett and Ron and Don 3619 03:11:20.360 --> 03:11:22.920 Harris beat Sid Booker T and Billy Kidman. I mean, 3620 03:11:23.040 --> 03:11:23.760 what are they doing? 3621 03:11:24.159 --> 03:11:25.120 Oh my god. 3622 03:11:25.360 --> 03:11:28.000 Charlotte February thirty. This is, by the way, this is 3623 03:11:28.079 --> 03:11:32.280 that disastrous Kevin Sullivan booking reign. I mean it starts 3624 03:11:32.319 --> 03:11:34.040 that night where he puts Ben Wall over Sid. But 3625 03:11:34.200 --> 03:11:36.760 my god, this is the worst. I stand by this 3626 03:11:36.879 --> 03:11:39.000 to this day. As bad as Nash's stuff was, as 3627 03:11:39.079 --> 03:11:41.000 bad as Russo's stuff was, as bad as some as 3628 03:11:41.120 --> 03:11:45.040 Eric's stuff was, Jim hurd stuff, don't care. Nothing is 3629 03:11:45.079 --> 03:11:48.399 as bad as January to March of two thousand, when 3630 03:11:48.440 --> 03:11:50.479 they put the book back in Kevin Sullivan's hand and 3631 03:11:50.600 --> 03:11:57.879 it just was unwatchable, unwatchable on every single front. They 3632 03:11:57.920 --> 03:12:03.120 were going nowhere fast Charlotte. For March fifth, Sid beats Flair. 3633 03:12:03.440 --> 03:12:06.000 Actually it seems like they're going nowhere slow, nowhere. It's 3634 03:12:06.120 --> 03:12:10.520 perfectly the worse. It's exactly right nowhere slow Nitro. March six, 3635 03:12:10.600 --> 03:12:13.360 two thousand, Jarrett and the Wall Jerry Tweet beat Sid 3636 03:12:13.440 --> 03:12:17.639 and Vampiro. March thirteenth, Sid and Vampiro beat Big Ron 3637 03:12:17.719 --> 03:12:21.520 and Heavy D uncensored two thousand to pay per view 3638 03:12:21.719 --> 03:12:24.559 from American Airlines Arena. On March their nineteenth, two thousand 3639 03:12:24.639 --> 03:12:27.959 sees Sid beat Jeff Jarrett for the championship, and then 3640 03:12:28.319 --> 03:12:33.239 Monday Nightro March twentieth, two thousand, Gainsville, Florida, Hogan returns 3641 03:12:34.040 --> 03:12:36.159 and teams with Sid Vicious to defeat Jeff Giarrett and 3642 03:12:36.159 --> 03:12:38.639 Scott Steiner. And this is weird because this is how 3643 03:12:38.760 --> 03:12:41.559 it not returns, but Hogan and Sid link up and 3644 03:12:41.639 --> 03:12:43.959 Hogan's in the Red and Yellow again. He did a 3645 03:12:44.000 --> 03:12:45.799 strap match against Ric Flair and the Red and Yellow 3646 03:12:45.840 --> 03:12:48.280 and uncensored the pay per view and then he teams 3647 03:12:48.319 --> 03:12:50.879 and it's very clear that they're building yet another Hulk 3648 03:12:50.959 --> 03:12:53.760 Hogan Sid program. They're going to take us back to 3649 03:12:54.079 --> 03:12:57.559 nineteen ninety two again. And they do an angle that 3650 03:12:57.719 --> 03:12:59.760 actually it went nowhere, but it was like a pre 3651 03:13:00.200 --> 03:13:02.159 inserted in a nitro and it wasn't really played up 3652 03:13:02.200 --> 03:13:04.040 that big, but it was pretty good. Where Sid is 3653 03:13:04.079 --> 03:13:08.319 standing at the podium as the world champion and he's 3654 03:13:08.319 --> 03:13:10.399 supposed to be, you know, answering questions and holding court. 3655 03:13:10.440 --> 03:13:13.079 But Hogan walks in and starts kind of talking over 3656 03:13:13.200 --> 03:13:15.959 Sid and kind of taking all the questions over say, 3657 03:13:16.479 --> 03:13:18.879 and he's yapping away and Stid just Sid is just 3658 03:13:18.959 --> 03:13:21.479 standing there smiling like it doesn't bother him. But at 3659 03:13:21.479 --> 03:13:23.520 the same time they're getting across the idea that he's 3660 03:13:23.920 --> 03:13:25.680 he's boiling inside. He's gonna kill Hold. 3661 03:13:25.840 --> 03:13:26.600 That's I like that. 3662 03:13:26.680 --> 03:13:30.440 Yeah, it's pretty good. Of course, Hogan was this kind 3663 03:13:30.440 --> 03:13:32.600 of guy, as Brian Elvererz points out on Death the WCW. 3664 03:13:32.959 --> 03:13:35.280 Of course this was method acting at its finest, since 3665 03:13:35.319 --> 03:13:37.280 Hogan really was the sort of guy who stole the 3666 03:13:37.280 --> 03:13:39.479 spotlight from everyone else and Sid had to pretend that 3667 03:13:39.559 --> 03:13:41.200 he was cool with it. The funniest part of all this, 3668 03:13:41.280 --> 03:13:43.360 by the way, was that Hogan was supposed to be 3669 03:13:43.440 --> 03:13:45.600 the babyface. Finally, at the end of the night, Sid 3670 03:13:45.680 --> 03:13:48.319 snapped all was not completely well. However, the match he 3671 03:13:48.399 --> 03:13:50.559 snapped in saw him team with Hogan to take on 3672 03:13:50.639 --> 03:13:53.600 Jeff Jarrett and Scott Steiner. He went crazy, choke slammed Hogan, 3673 03:13:53.680 --> 03:13:58.360 then pinned him. Yes, he pinned his own partner. He 3674 03:13:58.479 --> 03:14:04.200 pinned his own partner. Yeah, do you remember last time 3675 03:14:04.239 --> 03:14:06.079 we were with you, and we were talking about that 3676 03:14:06.200 --> 03:14:09.120 bachel of the Beach match with Sid and Savage versus 3677 03:14:09.440 --> 03:14:11.840 Nash and Sting. Yeah, and I was saying, how if 3678 03:14:12.159 --> 03:14:16.639 Nash or Savage pinned pardon me, if Savage or Sid 3679 03:14:16.760 --> 03:14:20.879 pin Nash, they would become champion. Yes, a listener pointed out, 3680 03:14:20.920 --> 03:14:24.000 which I'd forgotten about. By the way, if Sting pinned 3681 03:14:24.079 --> 03:14:28.319 Savage or Sid, he would be the champion. Sting Kevin 3682 03:14:28.360 --> 03:14:32.520 Nash's own partner. Nash was incentivized to stop his own 3683 03:14:32.639 --> 03:14:35.360 partner from winning the match on behalf of his team 3684 03:14:35.360 --> 03:14:35.760 because then. 3685 03:14:35.680 --> 03:14:41.440 He seems nor it's good booking to me. It's interesting, 3686 03:14:41.479 --> 03:14:43.479 it's very it's you know, it's unexpected. 3687 03:14:43.159 --> 03:14:46.120 That's for sure. He pinned his own partner. The referee 3688 03:14:46.200 --> 03:14:50.079 even counted. Alvarez wrote, nobody in w CW bothered to 3689 03:14:50.159 --> 03:14:52.840 explain how this was possible, but it didn't matter because 3690 03:14:52.879 --> 03:14:54.719 fans had long since given up on trying to find 3691 03:14:54.719 --> 03:14:56.600 any logic in WCW storylines. 3692 03:14:56.959 --> 03:14:59.440 Yeah, that's that's that's the real story. 3693 03:14:59.600 --> 03:15:02.280 I think the it's true, and we've gone this far 3694 03:15:02.959 --> 03:15:05.000 and it's time to talk about it because this is 3695 03:15:05.680 --> 03:15:07.559 this is the time when they're actually going to share 3696 03:15:07.840 --> 03:15:10.520 the screen together for the first time, not just being 3697 03:15:10.559 --> 03:15:13.559 the same company, but share this screen together. There's an 3698 03:15:13.600 --> 03:15:17.200 elephant in the room. In fact, who was the referee 3699 03:15:17.959 --> 03:15:21.200 when Chris Benoi wrestled Sid at Sold Out two thousand Boss? 3700 03:15:21.239 --> 03:15:23.559 Who it was? 3701 03:15:23.719 --> 03:15:24.520 Arn Anderson? 3702 03:15:24.639 --> 03:15:24.879 Wow. 3703 03:15:25.360 --> 03:15:29.239 So clearly some kind of detent was reached between Sid 3704 03:15:29.280 --> 03:15:31.879 and arn Anderson if they're not only willing to work 3705 03:15:31.920 --> 03:15:34.479 together in the same company, but in fact shares the 3706 03:15:34.520 --> 03:15:38.680 screen together in certain segments and be involved in concentric storylines. 3707 03:15:39.399 --> 03:15:42.040 So here it is, after all these years, and after 3708 03:15:42.159 --> 03:15:44.719 the brutal situation in that hotel in England in nineteen 3709 03:15:44.799 --> 03:15:47.760 ninety three, Sid and arn Anderson have found a way 3710 03:15:48.040 --> 03:15:50.639 to work together. Here is Sid describing in a shoot 3711 03:15:50.680 --> 03:15:51.959 interview how it went down. 3712 03:15:52.600 --> 03:15:55.319 Oh, after the deal, when I got brought back to 3713 03:15:55.559 --> 03:16:00.319 WW you know, you know, I was in a room. 3714 03:16:00.399 --> 03:16:03.120 They brought him in and said, okay, Arn you know 3715 03:16:03.479 --> 03:16:06.479 Sid's back, and we said, if you guys have I 3716 03:16:06.520 --> 03:16:08.000 think it said anythings saying. 3717 03:16:08.120 --> 03:16:11.079 I just said, like I said a thousand times, you 3718 03:16:11.120 --> 03:16:11.719 know I was at the car. 3719 03:16:11.840 --> 03:16:15.239 I'm sorry that happened, especially with you, because no Horn 3720 03:16:15.319 --> 03:16:17.840 had always stuck his hand out to help me, help 3721 03:16:17.920 --> 03:16:21.040 me with my interviews when it's a tough thing to 3722 03:16:21.159 --> 03:16:22.760 doing the interviews and you don't know how to do me. 3723 03:16:23.159 --> 03:16:24.920 He showed me how to start off. He got me 3724 03:16:25.079 --> 03:16:28.760 rolling on it, and it just again I hated it. 3725 03:16:29.000 --> 03:16:30.719 It had been harmed that that happened with. 3726 03:16:32.639 --> 03:16:36.200 Indeed, there was a segment where Wow Flair, Anderson and 3727 03:16:36.319 --> 03:16:38.399 Charles Robinson run in the ring and Sid came out 3728 03:16:38.479 --> 03:16:40.680 for a promo right now forez Writ's and death of 3729 03:16:40.799 --> 03:16:43.680 wcw RN, who had never been approached when the decision 3730 03:16:43.760 --> 03:16:46.319 was made to bring Sid back, immediately walked to the 3731 03:16:46.360 --> 03:16:48.319 corner and just stood there as if he wanted nothing 3732 03:16:48.479 --> 03:16:51.840 to do with anything that was going on. When the 3733 03:16:51.920 --> 03:16:53.920 interview was over and they were about to go to commercial, 3734 03:16:54.079 --> 03:16:59.159 Sid turned walked over to Arn and shook his hand. Okay, 3735 03:16:59.319 --> 03:17:03.200 that's that's booked to go down that way, or if 3736 03:17:03.239 --> 03:17:06.120 somehow Arn just made up his mind on the spot 3737 03:17:06.200 --> 03:17:09.760 how he was going to react to Sid's presence. As 3738 03:17:09.799 --> 03:17:13.000 we mentioned, Arn has never talked about it, and I've 3739 03:17:13.040 --> 03:17:14.840 put the call out to the Solar System to find 3740 03:17:14.879 --> 03:17:17.000 an instance of him talking about it, and I can't 3741 03:17:17.040 --> 03:17:19.840 find it. Don't forget that he sued Sid over this 3742 03:17:20.000 --> 03:17:23.799 and it kind of dissipated in court, and you know, 3743 03:17:23.879 --> 03:17:26.120 he kind of came up on the short end of 3744 03:17:26.159 --> 03:17:28.719 this story. And there's versions of it where he's always 3745 03:17:28.879 --> 03:17:31.079 staring the pot and starting shit. We heard Eric Bischoff 3746 03:17:31.079 --> 03:17:33.959 talk about that. So maybe it's not, you know, the 3747 03:17:34.040 --> 03:17:38.000 one sided circumstance that we would think. And if Arn 3748 03:17:38.079 --> 03:17:41.239 opened his mouth, he might run the risk of contradicting 3749 03:17:41.319 --> 03:17:44.600 himself or bringing up something that puts him at fault 3750 03:17:44.639 --> 03:17:47.040 in some way. I don't know. We're left to speculate 3751 03:17:47.079 --> 03:17:49.000 because he's never addressed that, he's never talked about it. 3752 03:17:49.399 --> 03:17:51.920 But one thing we can infer from is that they 3753 03:17:51.959 --> 03:17:54.959 got over it, these two because upon the passing of 3754 03:17:55.079 --> 03:17:58.200 Sid just earlier this summer, Arn Anderson had this to 3755 03:17:58.280 --> 03:17:59.159 say in his podcast. 3756 03:18:00.879 --> 03:18:04.760 Obviously were the resting world lost to Giant? He was 3757 03:18:05.879 --> 03:18:11.000 definitely a monster, left the mark on this business that 3758 03:18:11.280 --> 03:18:15.120 people will remember for decades to come. Had the best 3759 03:18:15.239 --> 03:18:18.520 look I would have. I would go this far as 3760 03:18:18.600 --> 03:18:20.600 to say he had probably had the best look of 3761 03:18:20.719 --> 03:18:23.799 anybody in the history of the business. Just see him 3762 03:18:23.840 --> 03:18:27.600 walking in the room. It's just a monster. And uh, 3763 03:18:28.520 --> 03:18:32.680 you know, our thoughts and prayers for his family certainly 3764 03:18:32.760 --> 03:18:36.799 go out and very very sad to hear what a 3765 03:18:36.920 --> 03:18:39.959 huge loss we woke up with yesterday morning. 3766 03:18:40.040 --> 03:18:40.360 It was. 3767 03:18:42.120 --> 03:18:46.959 Who it's just, it's just it's never a shock. 3768 03:18:46.840 --> 03:18:47.760 But it is a shock. 3769 03:18:48.040 --> 03:18:51.479 In our business, we beat our bodies up. Our bodies 3770 03:18:51.559 --> 03:18:55.159 are actually in dog years, aged a lot, you know. 3771 03:18:57.719 --> 03:19:02.120 But I had no previous knowledge of any illness or 3772 03:19:02.159 --> 03:19:05.040 anything with said, so it was a shock. And like 3773 03:19:05.120 --> 03:19:07.399 I said, our thoughts and prayers go out to his family, 3774 03:19:07.520 --> 03:19:13.479 to his fans equally as much, and let's just give 3775 03:19:13.559 --> 03:19:15.360 them some thoughts and prayers that they're going to be 3776 03:19:15.479 --> 03:19:16.399 needing going forward. 3777 03:19:18.000 --> 03:19:20.399 So they were able to get on the same page, 3778 03:19:20.440 --> 03:19:23.280 it sounds like, all right, and put the past in 3779 03:19:23.319 --> 03:19:25.840 the past, and let bygones beak up bygones. And that's great, 3780 03:19:25.959 --> 03:19:28.440 yea is it? It's great that tubby step he was 3781 03:19:28.479 --> 03:19:31.399 able to find a way to get these guys in 3782 03:19:31.479 --> 03:19:34.079 a room and figure it all out after all these 3783 03:19:34.159 --> 03:19:37.159 years and leave it there, right, boss, Just leave it, 3784 03:19:39.319 --> 03:19:43.000 I imagine, not you know, nothing more needs to be said. 3785 03:19:43.040 --> 03:19:45.440 The past is the past. We're moving forward on new terms. 3786 03:19:45.879 --> 03:19:47.760 No need to poke the hornet's nest, no need to 3787 03:19:48.399 --> 03:19:50.959 dredge up old feelings about this. No need to, oh, 3788 03:19:51.079 --> 03:19:53.719 I don't know, take a storyline out of it. Have 3789 03:19:53.920 --> 03:19:58.440 Eric Bischoff approached Sid on the first nitro of the 3790 03:19:58.559 --> 03:20:03.200 infamous Russo Bischoff regime era at the Pepsi Center in 3791 03:20:03.239 --> 03:20:06.200 Denver on April tenth, two thousand, where the idea was, 3792 03:20:06.559 --> 03:20:09.600 if you remember, Russo and Bischoff declare, all belts are 3793 03:20:09.639 --> 03:20:13.239 stripped on this night, all belts are stripped, and we're 3794 03:20:13.280 --> 03:20:15.879 gonna have a series of matches and tournaments to determine 3795 03:20:15.920 --> 03:20:18.360 new champions because this is a fresh start for WCW. 3796 03:20:19.040 --> 03:20:21.760 Who's the WCW World Champion at that point, Boss, I 3797 03:20:21.879 --> 03:20:27.639 ask you, what's the year. Part of the year, it 3798 03:20:27.639 --> 03:20:31.040 would be Sid. Oh, Sid's champions champion. This is April 3799 03:20:31.799 --> 03:20:33.879 and Sid is still the world champion from the priory. 3800 03:20:33.879 --> 03:20:34.760 They're taking away the title. 3801 03:20:34.799 --> 03:20:37.600 They're taking away the title, and they're having Eric Bischoff 3802 03:20:37.760 --> 03:20:41.239 himself approach Sid to do it. As Sid comes out 3803 03:20:41.280 --> 03:20:43.600 with several other of the guys they had in mind 3804 03:20:43.639 --> 03:20:46.520 for this Millionaire's Club faction to combat the new blood 3805 03:20:46.799 --> 03:20:49.280 guys like you know, Page or Luger or Sting who'd 3806 03:20:49.319 --> 03:20:53.000 been around a long time and were established moneymakers. And 3807 03:20:53.120 --> 03:20:55.520 here come Sid with the world title and Eric Bischoff 3808 03:20:55.559 --> 03:21:01.200 approaches him and definitely doesn't bring up the past, taking. 3809 03:21:00.959 --> 03:21:04.440 Those This is unbelievable, just a new beginning. We have 3810 03:21:04.559 --> 03:21:05.799 no champions. 3811 03:21:07.040 --> 03:21:11.479 Well, I said, there's only one one bot left and you. 3812 03:21:11.639 --> 03:21:12.399 Know who's word. 3813 03:21:15.559 --> 03:21:19.079 He's telling Sid Bishes to give up the world heavyweight title. 3814 03:21:19.319 --> 03:21:22.120 Unbelievable, what beshop? 3815 03:21:22.959 --> 03:21:26.559 You want this out? We just starting lass over there 3816 03:21:26.879 --> 03:21:27.680 won't take that. 3817 03:21:28.479 --> 03:21:29.600 Oh you knew what was gonna happen. 3818 03:21:29.680 --> 03:21:31.959 Yeah, I knew what absolutely you knew. 3819 03:21:32.760 --> 03:21:33.559 That's okay. 3820 03:21:34.600 --> 03:21:38.280 You knew that Sid Vicious would look at Bijof said okay, 3821 03:21:38.959 --> 03:21:40.520 and big soap there's leaving the ring. 3822 03:21:42.719 --> 03:21:47.239 Has everyone completely flipped. Eric Bishop, it looks. 3823 03:21:47.000 --> 03:21:50.079 Like he might get sides his face, Tony, he's slipped 3824 03:21:50.120 --> 03:21:53.159 the care He's gonna confront come Millennia man and just 3825 03:21:53.360 --> 03:21:55.799 take the world anyway championship belt. 3826 03:21:58.360 --> 03:22:00.639 Come Sid, you know what do you. 3827 03:22:00.639 --> 03:22:01.719 Want to You gonna lay me out? 3828 03:22:01.840 --> 03:22:02.600 Said here we go? 3829 03:22:05.920 --> 03:22:07.719 Come on, said you know you could do it. 3830 03:22:08.399 --> 03:22:10.360 Now, I know you could do it, But here's what 3831 03:22:10.440 --> 03:22:14.639 will happen. I'll heal and when I get done healing. 3832 03:22:15.000 --> 03:22:18.440 I'll fit healing now knowing that you won't employed. 3833 03:22:20.239 --> 03:22:21.200 So here's the deal. 3834 03:22:22.319 --> 03:22:25.319 Need to lay me out, take your chances, or hand 3835 03:22:25.399 --> 03:22:29.879 over the belt, said che says man. 3836 03:22:31.000 --> 03:22:31.719 What's he gonna do? 3837 03:22:32.040 --> 03:22:32.760 What can he do? 3838 03:22:36.399 --> 03:22:36.559 Now? 3839 03:22:36.639 --> 03:22:39.120 I've been beat up before. It won't be the last time. 3840 03:22:41.280 --> 03:22:41.920 What on the level? 3841 03:22:42.440 --> 03:22:44.879 Jeff the belt to Bischoff, cause matter? 3842 03:22:45.040 --> 03:22:46.399 He can't find your scissors? 3843 03:22:47.520 --> 03:22:50.319 Oh come on, no one cares. 3844 03:22:50.360 --> 03:22:51.159 So he says it again. 3845 03:22:53.000 --> 03:22:53.920 He said, what's the matter? 3846 03:22:53.959 --> 03:22:55.319 Said, can't find your scissors? 3847 03:22:55.520 --> 03:22:57.319 Come on, shiit, give the boss the belt. 3848 03:22:57.879 --> 03:23:01.399 Come on, man, don't let me push the button. Said, 3849 03:23:02.239 --> 03:23:04.159 I wouldn't want to see you go crazy. 3850 03:23:04.280 --> 03:23:09.680 Said I don't want to see him ruin your career. 3851 03:23:09.920 --> 03:23:12.559 Said he's pushing it. 3852 03:23:15.479 --> 03:23:19.120 A long lonely life in West Smithphis. 3853 03:23:19.280 --> 03:23:30.719 Said see you on the sixth seed. 3854 03:23:31.520 --> 03:23:37.200 Three sandpee back when the real world heavyweight champion where 3855 03:23:37.239 --> 03:23:37.760 on the belt. 3856 03:23:38.120 --> 03:23:39.239 He handed over the belt. 3857 03:23:39.600 --> 03:23:41.920 He actually true it over to pick show. 3858 03:23:42.559 --> 03:23:46.799 Look, said owners, you want to tear Eric kushak apart. Hey, 3859 03:23:46.920 --> 03:23:47.559 Eric's the boss. 3860 03:23:47.600 --> 03:23:48.559 You can't hit the boss. 3861 03:23:50.159 --> 03:23:51.399 He just handed the belt over. 3862 03:23:51.879 --> 03:23:52.440 Of course you did. 3863 03:23:52.600 --> 03:23:54.200 I mean that's fine, right, you can come back from that. 3864 03:23:55.079 --> 03:23:57.159 Yeah, I mean, look, you gotta just you can just 3865 03:23:57.280 --> 03:23:58.639 just you gotta do what the boss says. 3866 03:23:58.680 --> 03:24:00.959 Steve Austin handed over the belt in this prime, of course, 3867 03:24:01.360 --> 03:24:03.040 hul Cogan handed over the belt. It was fine, It 3868 03:24:03.079 --> 03:24:05.600 was all. You know, he's over enough that he can 3869 03:24:05.719 --> 03:24:08.399 just let a guy browbeat him into giving over the belt. 3870 03:24:10.840 --> 03:24:12.440 What's about her? Sid can't find your scissors? 3871 03:24:13.440 --> 03:24:15.159 Oh that's just not okay. 3872 03:24:15.399 --> 03:24:16.319 Why is it not okay? 3873 03:24:17.280 --> 03:24:21.399 Because I mean there's so much about that that you know, 3874 03:24:21.479 --> 03:24:25.719 he was fucking fired. I mean, it's not okay. 3875 03:24:28.840 --> 03:24:29.399 Arnt Anderson. 3876 03:24:30.040 --> 03:24:34.879 I think he's too stupid to not understand that it's 3877 03:24:34.920 --> 03:24:35.360 not okay. 3878 03:24:35.719 --> 03:24:38.399 You know what, Sid, Yeah, aren't in the back, no 3879 03:24:38.559 --> 03:24:40.120 selling it, pretending it doesn't bother him. 3880 03:24:40.399 --> 03:24:42.000 Yeah, of course, why would it bother him? 3881 03:24:43.520 --> 03:24:46.399 Well, later in that show, they begin the tournament to 3882 03:24:46.520 --> 03:24:50.479 determine the next ww champion, and in the semifinal round, 3883 03:24:50.520 --> 03:24:52.719 Sting beats Sid Vicious by count out in a six 3884 03:24:52.840 --> 03:24:57.799 minute and seventeen second matchup. On the April eleventh, the 3885 03:24:57.879 --> 03:25:01.440 next night, two thousand tapings in Colorado's brings Stevie Ray 3886 03:25:01.520 --> 03:25:04.760 Big T, that is to say, Booker T and Cash 3887 03:25:04.920 --> 03:25:07.600 Kid Cash defeat Sid vicious by his qualification in a 3888 03:25:07.680 --> 03:25:11.440 three on one handicap match, and for a while, that's 3889 03:25:11.520 --> 03:25:14.399 the last we hear from Sid. Sid disappears for months 3890 03:25:14.440 --> 03:25:20.840 on end, apparently dealing with an injury during this entire 3891 03:25:21.440 --> 03:25:24.879 Russeau Bischoff regime. I mean that's it. Sid hands the 3892 03:25:24.879 --> 03:25:27.639 belt over Russell Sting for six minutes and then disappears, 3893 03:25:27.680 --> 03:25:33.200 basically from television. It's it's wild, but he he's he's 3894 03:25:33.319 --> 03:25:35.520 he's hurt. Okay, he's got something he's got to deal with. 3895 03:25:36.319 --> 03:25:40.760 We don't see him again until Russo's gone. Okay, this 3896 03:25:40.840 --> 03:25:44.239 guy that he's a unbelievable I thinks his sabotage in 3897 03:25:44.280 --> 03:25:46.760 the company. Russo's gone in October of two thousand and 3898 03:25:46.840 --> 03:25:49.159 on the November twenty seventh, two thousand, Nitro out in 3899 03:25:49.239 --> 03:25:52.200 a black turtleneck after the world champion at the time, 3900 03:25:52.239 --> 03:25:54.760 Scott Steiner, just defeated Stevie Ray of all people, in 3901 03:25:54.840 --> 03:25:59.639 a retirement match on Nitro. Sid returns to the company 3902 03:26:01.280 --> 03:26:04.280 because star cast or star Kad, I should say, I'm 3903 03:26:04.280 --> 03:26:07.760 gonna get those wrong forever Stark two thousand, do you 3904 03:26:07.760 --> 03:26:10.000 remember our main event from the star Kid memorial to her? 3905 03:26:10.120 --> 03:26:10.280 I do. 3906 03:26:10.440 --> 03:26:12.280 It was Sid and Scott Stein. 3907 03:26:12.319 --> 03:26:16.319 Indeed, so Sid is back in the dying days at WCW, 3908 03:26:16.479 --> 03:26:19.159 the true doldrums, where there was a lot of intrigue 3909 03:26:19.200 --> 03:26:21.600 going around about new ownership, but everything felt lame duck. 3910 03:26:21.840 --> 03:26:23.559 Everything they did felt like, Okay, this is just a 3911 03:26:23.600 --> 03:26:25.959 placeholder until we decide who the new bosses are and 3912 03:26:26.079 --> 03:26:28.600 launch a new WCW. Until then, we're gonna watch people 3913 03:26:28.639 --> 03:26:31.760 play out different various strings, but none of it really counts. 3914 03:26:31.760 --> 03:26:33.959 And that definitely was the feeling I got when Sid 3915 03:26:34.079 --> 03:26:35.760 came back. And when it comes back in a black turtleneck, 3916 03:26:35.760 --> 03:26:37.520 you know what that means. He hasn't had as much 3917 03:26:37.559 --> 03:26:40.399 gym time as he would have liked, exactly. And this 3918 03:26:40.520 --> 03:26:43.200 begins the air of him wrestling in jeans and wrestling 3919 03:26:43.280 --> 03:26:49.319 in Gene Schortz, which is absolutely alarming and completely unacceptable. 3920 03:26:49.520 --> 03:26:52.479 When he starts wearing jeorts, completely unacceptable. 3921 03:26:53.000 --> 03:26:55.120 Oh god, yeah, no, no, no, no, no, no, I 3922 03:26:55.520 --> 03:26:58.120 do remember I've seen images of that look. I didn't 3923 03:26:58.360 --> 03:27:00.719 know it when he snaps his leg. I've seen images 3924 03:27:00.760 --> 03:27:02.479 of that look and it's not okay. 3925 03:27:04.079 --> 03:27:07.840 It just makes it look so low rent. I don't 3926 03:27:07.879 --> 03:27:10.520 care how self conscious he was about the definition and 3927 03:27:10.600 --> 03:27:12.639 his legs back then. This was just the wrong move, 3928 03:27:14.000 --> 03:27:17.040 made him look just like he was barely trying. But 3929 03:27:17.159 --> 03:27:22.440 he's back, and yes, they play up a bit that 3930 03:27:22.559 --> 03:27:24.559 he had just relinquished the championship the last time we 3931 03:27:24.639 --> 03:27:26.639 had seen him, and now deserved an honest chance to 3932 03:27:26.680 --> 03:27:27.920 get it back, of course, with no mention of the 3933 03:27:28.000 --> 03:27:29.760 fact that he failed to win the tournament that he 3934 03:27:29.840 --> 03:27:32.479 was in to get that belt back. But he just 3935 03:27:32.520 --> 03:27:35.319 comes back claiming like he has a rightful claim to it. 3936 03:27:37.559 --> 03:27:39.319 He says, because Steiner has been walking around with a 3937 03:27:39.319 --> 03:27:42.360 world championship all this time, calling himself champion, even though 3938 03:27:42.360 --> 03:27:44.440 Sid never lost it in the ring. He says on 3939 03:27:44.559 --> 03:27:46.920 Niro one time that Scott Steiner has been walking around 3940 03:27:46.959 --> 03:27:53.959 with a fictitious name tremendous. Sid was asked in to 3941 03:27:54.000 --> 03:27:56.639 shoot interview about working with Scott Steiner. He says, yeah, man, 3942 03:27:56.719 --> 03:27:58.559 he was so I don't know what his problem was. 3943 03:27:59.600 --> 03:28:01.159 He was just so I don't know, he just couldn't 3944 03:28:01.159 --> 03:28:04.920 calm down. He was just you know, cussing everybody, screaming 3945 03:28:04.959 --> 03:28:06.879 at everybody, the referees, you know, the people in the back. 3946 03:28:07.360 --> 03:28:08.559 I don't know, I don't know if it was his 3947 03:28:08.760 --> 03:28:11.959 first really solo star deal. You know, I don't know 3948 03:28:12.079 --> 03:28:15.520 if he would like They take a while during the 3949 03:28:15.559 --> 03:28:18.360 interview about sting, and then halfway through it, he's calling 3950 03:28:18.360 --> 03:28:20.159 out Hogan. You know, It's like, what's going on here? 3951 03:28:20.200 --> 03:28:22.719 Everybody looking at each other, and I don't know what 3952 03:28:22.799 --> 03:28:25.200 his problem is and the w to be He says 3953 03:28:25.200 --> 03:28:27.959 at the time he'd just come back to Steiner why 3954 03:28:28.000 --> 03:28:29.559 he didn't last there, But I knew he wasn't gonna 3955 03:28:29.600 --> 03:28:31.079 last there either, because you're not going to talk to 3956 03:28:31.159 --> 03:28:34.680 people like that there for very long. When you got 3957 03:28:34.719 --> 03:28:36.280 the ring with him, He's asked did he calm down 3958 03:28:36.440 --> 03:28:38.479 or was he tough to deal with? He's just a ratic, 3959 03:28:38.959 --> 03:28:40.680 just nervous. I don't know what. I think the pressure 3960 03:28:40.799 --> 03:28:41.520 was too much for him. 3961 03:28:42.280 --> 03:28:42.559 I don't know. 3962 03:28:42.600 --> 03:28:45.239 I'm not saying anyone doesn't know. I'm not saying anything 3963 03:28:45.440 --> 03:28:47.479 anyone doesn't know. I remember in Gainesville, I think it 3964 03:28:47.559 --> 03:28:49.600 was Gainesville when they first gave him his first singles 3965 03:28:49.639 --> 03:28:51.280 match against Rick Flair. This is from eighty nine and 3966 03:28:51.280 --> 03:28:53.840 the Clash match where Scott swears that Rick Flair was 3967 03:28:53.920 --> 03:28:57.360 sandbagging him. He bombed terribly back in the day, and 3968 03:28:57.479 --> 03:28:59.479 he never shook that Sid said about Scott. He never 3969 03:28:59.520 --> 03:29:01.959 shook that, and that's why I still say that Rick 3970 03:29:02.120 --> 03:29:05.200 was the better of the two. But that's his recollection 3971 03:29:05.440 --> 03:29:08.559 of working with Scott Steiner, and the match is definitely 3972 03:29:08.680 --> 03:29:12.159 not that memorable. But Sid versus Scott Steiner was pretty 3973 03:29:12.239 --> 03:29:15.879 much the best that they could do at that time 3974 03:29:15.959 --> 03:29:18.520 in World Championship wrestling. And that is the story of Sid, 3975 03:29:18.600 --> 03:29:22.719 isn't it? I would say yes, another example of Sid 3976 03:29:22.879 --> 03:29:26.959 walking in the front door when there's no viable person 3977 03:29:28.239 --> 03:29:31.719 that you've seen recently being built for the champion or 3978 03:29:31.799 --> 03:29:35.159 for the main event picture in a one time need 3979 03:29:35.520 --> 03:29:38.920 that needs to be filled, and thus there is Sid. 3980 03:29:39.760 --> 03:29:43.360 As mentioned, he starts worrying George for some reason, and 3981 03:29:43.479 --> 03:29:47.040 with that we turn the page. Jesus, but that we 3982 03:29:47.120 --> 03:29:50.200 turned the page. As we conclude this chapter of the 3983 03:29:50.239 --> 03:29:54.040 Sid Tribute, we turned the page to the forced final 3984 03:29:54.120 --> 03:29:58.680 year of Sid vicious career in the National Wrestling Spotlight. Yeah, 3985 03:29:58.719 --> 03:30:01.000 it's two thousand and one and as the master and 3986 03:30:01.079 --> 03:30:05.040 rulers world, it's about to come crumbling down. Boy, and 3987 03:30:05.120 --> 03:30:08.399 take a look, and we close with this boss. It 3988 03:30:08.520 --> 03:30:11.079 is the moment. It is available on YouTube if you 3989 03:30:11.120 --> 03:30:12.520 can bear with me for a second. I'm gonna pull 3990 03:30:12.520 --> 03:30:17.200 it up on my end as well. Yep, this is 3991 03:30:17.239 --> 03:30:17.719 what it's. 3992 03:30:17.600 --> 03:30:18.239 Coming down to. 3993 03:30:19.000 --> 03:30:21.680 So you remember seeing this on YouTube and not hearing 3994 03:30:21.680 --> 03:30:24.680 about it at the time. I, yeah, I. 3995 03:30:24.760 --> 03:30:27.559 Definitely didn't hear about it when it happened, but I 3996 03:30:27.680 --> 03:30:30.319 knew about it. I definitely knew about it a long 3997 03:30:30.600 --> 03:30:38.079 time ago. And I don't yeah, I don't know how I. 3998 03:30:40.639 --> 03:30:40.840 Yeah. 3999 03:30:40.879 --> 03:30:41.879 The only thing I can think of is that you 4000 03:30:42.000 --> 03:30:42.600 told me about this. 4001 03:30:43.959 --> 03:30:46.799 So this is the night after sold out. It's important 4002 03:30:46.840 --> 03:30:48.799 to remember the January two thousand and one sold out. 4003 03:30:48.799 --> 03:30:53.000 We wait, so they fucking showed the replay yes of 4004 03:30:53.159 --> 03:30:54.399 him getting his fucking. 4005 03:30:55.959 --> 03:30:59.879 Yes. And in fact, the fact, if you watch the 4006 03:31:00.000 --> 03:31:03.360 sold out pay per view, you'll see that you didn't 4007 03:31:03.639 --> 03:31:05.840 really tell. You couldn't really tell on the night with 4008 03:31:05.959 --> 03:31:08.239 the live angles that they picked what happened to Sid, 4009 03:31:08.719 --> 03:31:11.000 you could tell something went wrong, but they did not 4010 03:31:11.360 --> 03:31:14.200 happened to cut to the angle that gave the clearest 4011 03:31:14.319 --> 03:31:16.719 view of what happened to Sid's life. Fuck in this 4012 03:31:16.840 --> 03:31:19.319 kind of a four corners match environment that they were 4013 03:31:19.360 --> 03:31:21.840 in with a with a run in. So the next 4014 03:31:21.879 --> 03:31:23.440 time of Nitro we got to do it. We got 4015 03:31:23.559 --> 03:31:25.479 to show the people, don't we No. 4016 03:31:25.719 --> 03:31:26.120 We don't. 4017 03:31:26.719 --> 03:31:28.520 So we start with we don't have to tell anything, 4018 03:31:28.920 --> 03:31:31.479 Tony Chevann, And you have no idea how significant what 4019 03:31:31.600 --> 03:31:34.479 you're saying is about to become an hour saga here 4020 03:31:34.559 --> 03:31:39.760 going forward, but for now, for now, Tony Shavanni and 4021 03:31:39.760 --> 03:31:43.360 Scott Hudson Here a ringside speaking to the fans the 4022 03:31:43.479 --> 03:31:45.520 night after sold Out two thousand and one on Nitro 4023 03:31:45.639 --> 03:31:46.760 about pardon me, it. 4024 03:31:46.760 --> 03:31:49.760 Wasn't look at look at Scott Hudson does not look okay. 4025 03:31:50.239 --> 03:31:52.239 No, no, he knows what he's about to see. And sorry, 4026 03:31:52.280 --> 03:31:54.120 I keep saying sold out. That was the January pay 4027 03:31:54.120 --> 03:31:55.760 per view forever it was sin. This is the year 4028 03:31:55.799 --> 03:31:59.239 they did Sin right in January instead of sold Out. 4029 03:31:59.639 --> 03:32:02.120 So if you can hit play on my one boss 4030 03:32:02.159 --> 03:32:03.280 and you at home, if you want to pull it 4031 03:32:03.360 --> 03:32:07.280 up on YouTube, yes, three two one. 4032 03:32:08.680 --> 03:32:10.600 While we were watching the mystery opponent, come in now, 4033 03:32:10.719 --> 03:32:11.840 said Vicious up on top. 4034 03:32:13.399 --> 03:32:15.680 Look at the difficult Look at the left foot. That 4035 03:32:15.840 --> 03:32:19.280 is so difficult to watch. We've seen it already another 4036 03:32:19.360 --> 03:32:20.879 angle already so many times. 4037 03:32:20.959 --> 03:32:24.239 It's still just so once again isolated. 4038 03:32:24.440 --> 03:32:27.040 Oh my oh the foot. 4039 03:32:28.840 --> 03:32:32.639 Obviously the compound fracture of the gia and the fibula 4040 03:32:32.760 --> 03:32:36.719 last night this morning, underwent two hours of surgery, had 4041 03:32:36.719 --> 03:32:40.440 a forty three inch centimeter steal rod and shorted it 4042 03:32:40.520 --> 03:32:41.159 into the bone. 4043 03:32:42.120 --> 03:32:44.319 He is still in Methodist Hospital in Indianapolis. 4044 03:32:44.719 --> 03:32:46.719 He'll be out the good part of a year A 4045 03:32:46.760 --> 03:32:50.239 long time. We certainly wish said vicious part of a year. 4046 03:32:53.040 --> 03:32:54.360 Oh fuck my life. 4047 03:32:55.520 --> 03:32:59.840 That and the fallout of the tragic end. 4048 03:33:01.399 --> 03:33:04.719 To how can I'm just gonna say, how can you 4049 03:33:04.799 --> 03:33:08.959 come back from that? Ever? How can you say it's 4050 03:33:09.000 --> 03:33:12.680 gonna be a year like it literally snapped in half? 4051 03:33:13.280 --> 03:33:18.200 Here's the thing, boss, what you don't come back from right, 4052 03:33:19.680 --> 03:33:21.319 And we hope for Sid's sake, is we're going to 4053 03:33:21.360 --> 03:33:22.760 get into the next time we're with you on our 4054 03:33:22.840 --> 03:33:27.600 tribute to Sid, that that isn't just too much for 4055 03:33:27.719 --> 03:33:28.200 him to bear. 4056 03:33:29.680 --> 03:33:34.319 Announcement As a tej tosantus production, its contents is intended 4057 03:33:34.360 --> 03:33:35.479 for private use only.