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Speaker 1: It's the lapsed fan wrestling podcast with Jack and carn

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s e O and JP Sorrow.

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Speaker 2: He's a lapsed fan and all my years and wrestling.

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Speaker 3: I never seen anything.

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Speaker 4: And it's the laps fan man like the one in

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the ring. Forget about Sado. He the real king of swing.

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When the bell goes in the kick like me throwing

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in the corner, but gets rash like stick even Jerry

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King gets take off. The crowd nodded in.

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Speaker 3: His head like its Steve low Brown.

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Speaker 4: Would you get low down? We go even high up?

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Speaker 5: Flipp you on your head, But you know cool driver,

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you speak more and Dragon spits fire give you more

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shock than when he treats higher drop a more truth

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than the con of sniper unless you with a coconut

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Roddy Pipper Jack a JP. He like j h D

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drop the cupcakes and gold the brain Bob means the

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best podcast Frost start the close cloud.

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Speaker 4: If you are a Flassic and polls.

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Speaker 6: I don't know, Boss. The more I sit and think

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about it, I just think it's too funny that at

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the end of the wcw VHS Millennium Man release on

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SID that he basically found a way to complain about

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having to do the video.

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Speaker 4: Shoot serious, I mean, he sits.

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Speaker 6: There and he talks about how remarkable a symbol it

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is of his dedication to professionalism and being elite that

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he drove to a VHS recording that we made very

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clear by reading his contract last time on the tribute

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show he was paid for.

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Speaker 4: Right of course. Well you know, hey, the guy's got

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you know, it's it's it's a hassle.

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Speaker 6: Okay, it's a hassle for the man of the millennium.

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And we're about to cross that line and the story

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of Sid and our TLF tribute to Sid, which continues

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to unfold and unpredictable patterns in keeping with Sid Udy's

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life and times I think in so many ways.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, it's very true. He was a revolutionary

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of that regard.

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Speaker 7: He was.

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Speaker 6: And of course, if we're going to cap his story

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with World Championship Wrestling, which is of course the organization.

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Despite all of our WWF memories, he probably had his

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most colorful behind the scenes experiences in from stabbing motherfuckers

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of Oh yeah, it's going to be it's going to

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be incredible because he's brought back to be Sid. But

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in an organization that doesn't really have a shit together

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to really present SID. So he's going to get what

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he always wanted. Boss, He's basically going to book himself

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with just a generic direction in which he's pointed throughout

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the end of nineteen ninety nine and into the year

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two thousand. What do you recall if anything? I mean,

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we talked about his WCW run last time, the second

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WCW run, but anything from two thousand when he actually

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captured the big Gold Belt again, No, or for the

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first time again for the first time.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, again, never got it. Only only what we know

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from star Kate, and I do know about the Chris

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Benoit thing, that's all.

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Speaker 7: I know.

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Speaker 6: What do you remember about that?

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Speaker 4: Which part the Crispin wat thing? Yeah? I just remember.

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And obviously I don't even know if I remember it

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as a fan or if I remember it from learning

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about what happened later. I really don't know. I just

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know that I just remember that that they gave Ben

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Wamba title as a way to say, hey, don't go,

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but he went anyway, and then they kind of left

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in the complete ship storm, right.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, Yeah, you pretty much have it. And it was

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who that Ben WA defeated. It was Sid, right, it

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was Sid?

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Speaker 4: I Meyver said it. Uh the January show was it?

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Was it still sold out? Then that would be I mean,

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I'm sure it didn't sell out, but was it was

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it WCW sold out?

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Speaker 6: It was sold out with it o uld thank you

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very much. That's right, which they were still doing despite

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that being an entire end concept.

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Speaker 4: I know, I know it's so stupid, but I mean,

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WCW sold out just doesn't sound good at.

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Speaker 6: All, especially nineteen ninety nine or two thousand.

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Speaker 4: I wasna say it sounds actually pretty a little too

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accurate actually.

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Speaker 6: Talk about straining credulity. WCW sold out in this era.

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Not a single show was. As Sid continues to prove,

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as we've demonstrated over the course of this entire tribute,

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that he is and was a draw.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 6: But here is Sid once again in the middle of

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absolute chaos. Not unlike the Steve Austin part of me,

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the Brett Hart Sean Michael's craziness in nineteen ninety seven

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or somehow, Sid is in the middle of all of

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it while having nothing to do with any of it.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, what this is? Uh, what's the problem

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this is.

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Speaker 6: The Kapper Man, because he's not only involved in the

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drama that leads to Chris ben Wah's departure with his

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tensions with Kevin Sullivan when Sullivan was regiven the book

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in WCW, but also the cross currents of Russo and

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Ferrara being brought in in October of nineteen ninety nine. Great,

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and this, this whole aforementioned incident with Ben which really

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I think comes to characterize Sid's second WCW run in

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so many ways, was a downstream effect of the fact

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that Russo and Ferrara, after just three months on the

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job were sent home or I'm sure if you asked

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Russo he went home as.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm sure. I'm sure it was his plan, right,

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he wanted to do it, He asked for the time off.

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Speaker 6: Right, Well, he didn't ask the time off, But I mean,

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if they weren't going to do what he was hired

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to do, then he would gladly sit at home, bro

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and collect at check and look, you book the show

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an if you're not going to give me the responsibility

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that you hired me for, and et cetera, et cetera.

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And so what Russo comes up with is I shit

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you not? It will get there? Who did Russo want

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to put the world title on at that aforementioned sold

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out show, Boss, do you remember.

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Speaker 4: Someone different than who? Well, wait a minute, hold on,

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let me think here. Would it have been Brett?

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Speaker 6: Was not Brett? Brett was injured against Goldberg and had

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to relinquish, throwing all the booking plans As the year

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turns to two thousand and WCW into disarray.

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Speaker 4: Right, that was at the time he got hit in

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the head and that was it. That was it.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, he at Goldberg and then as we talked about

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an elapsed funk, he had that underappreciated match on Thunder

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where he landed on his head, right, and it never

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was the same.

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Speaker 4: Right.

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Speaker 6: So, whatever the plans were on the drawing board for

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World Championship Wrestling in two thousand, with Brudhart coming into

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the millennium as world champion, we're now in the dust

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bin before things could even really get started. The whole

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NW two thousand angle that precipitated that went nowhere, and

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so now we have a reset, and so Russo, who

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still has the job coming into sold out two thousand,

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comes to the building with a game plan, and his

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game plan, boss, is to somehow engineer a series of

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circumstances were at the end of the night, none other

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than Tank Abbot would be WCW World Heavyweight Champion. Why

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ain't that the question? What does that do except suck?

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And that was a suggestion that was beyond the pale.

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There are already people internally like You're Kevin Sullivan and

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JJ Dillons, Bill Bush perhaps who were working at cross

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purposes with Russo, who had been trying to make the

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case for a long time that he wasn't the right

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fit for the job and his instincts were way off.

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And when he proposed this considering the relative and experience

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of tank Abbott, that was it. And Russo was sent

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home and they had to book the show on the fly.

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situation takes place, and all that yeah, yeah, flows downstream

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from it, because as we know, Ben wah was a

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was not was not unhappy, was happy, rather, i should say,

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and his contemporaries to see Russou come in because here

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was a guy who would book the WCW MIT carters

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to actually have an opportunity at the main events that

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was sustainable. Sustainable from the perspective of they wouldn't just get,

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you know, right pat on the head and then you know,

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declared a failure. So they were bullish on working under

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these new bookers, in particular Ben Wah because of his

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having married Kevin Sellib and his ex wife Nancy Sullivan.

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They didn't There was plenty of tension and no matter what,

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WoT about having his best interests at heart and being

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able to separate business from pleasure. Ben Watchers wasn't going

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to buy that a Kevin Sullivan booking regime, which was

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installed after the aforementioned blow up with Russo over the

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tank abbot idea took shape. He just wasn't going to

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believe that Kevin Sullivan could book him the way that

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made sense for him in his career. And so what happens.

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We get the radicals, we get the departure, right.

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Speaker 4: We get that. That's huge, that's the that's the game changer,

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right in a.

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Speaker 6: Lot of ways. Nail in the coffin of WCW. Let's say, you, huh,

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was that the nail in the coffin of wcw uh

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in real.

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Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah. I don't know if I knew that at

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the time when I was watching, but for sure that

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definitely is. I mean there's nothing you can do after that.

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You lose, you lose four four money. Well, I don't

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know what it's Saturday being money, but you know, at

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least three and a half money talents and one in

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one swoop. I mean, what are you gonna do with that?

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What are you gonna do after that? There's nothing you

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Speaker 6: Did Malenko's a money talent? Absolutely, He's a real divisive one.

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Speaker 4: I mean, listen, I'm not saying he's a he's a

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top draw, but in in my opinion and that at

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that time, Dean Malenko demon Here's this is okay. This

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is to me what made it such a big hit.

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And I don't mean hit as in success. I mean

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because I didn't Saturday. I didn't know or care that

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much about. But in my eyes, Milanko, Ben Wah and

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Guerrero were they were synonymous with WW. I'm not saying

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that they they they like were were the like the picture.

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for WCW, but like, they're not anybody who I ever

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would have imagined would have jumped ship like they were

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just WCW, And so when they did, it was huge.

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that's what you know, that's what made it made it incredible. Again,

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I don't know how they were. I don't know how

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they were in WCW in terms of individually being any

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sort of draw per se, but I just know that

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that they were top level working talent there.

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Speaker 6: They were the kind of guys that on the increasingly

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shrinking list, the rapidly shrinking list of things the WCW

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could lay claim to being superior than WWF.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, right, they were.

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Speaker 6: They were the heart. They were the one thing you

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could point to to say, well, they don't have guys

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that can go like this, And maybe they did, maybe

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they didn't, But the point of the matter is that

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was still a calling card that WSW had in its favor,

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even as they were getting absolutely trounced by the attitude

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exactly exactly, and when even a guy like a Ben

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organization and would rather go to WWF, which is the

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land of the giants, where they hardly you know, at

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least the way things were constituted. Then, come to find out,

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on a pleasant surprise, they would basically reshape the WWF

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main card style around what these guys could do instead

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of forcing them in a four minute matches and stuff,

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because Russo had laughed and that whole mentality of WWF

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matchmaking and match approach it changed as well. So that

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was very good for them, you know, that was it.

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If even they couldn't find a way to pencil out,

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the WCW was the better place for them to be.

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It's over, it's over, and Sid again is just like

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this locust of the apocalypse who has no fucking clue

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that he's walking into some of the biggest, most you know,

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tectonic plate shifts in the wrestling business, because all he's

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thinking about is, you know, what the next injury is

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that he can cite for a return to the ranch,

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you know, And it's hilarious and all the scale AUSI is.

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Speaker 4: A world champion and it's what, I mean, what a

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fucking what what's up with that?

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Speaker 6: Now? Well they look around, it's like they're fucking screwed,

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and they look around they're like, I guess Sid. Then

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he's big. People know him. And that's the story of SID.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I know that is that is it?

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Speaker 6: That is it gets the spotlight when something goes horribly,

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horribly wrong and nobody has any time to reconstitute a

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new master plan. And by the time they do constant

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master plan, he's almost never part of it.

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Speaker 4: See what they don't know, See what they don't understand

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is that they bring me in because they need it right.

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They say, Sid, Sid, I want you to come in here,

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and I want you to take over, because that is

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what SID does. SID is always there to save the day.

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I save w c W, I say WWE. I saved

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Sean Michaels. I saved Vienna sausage, and I do I

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save it. I always get two cans. I put one

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in the cupboard, I put one in the garage, the

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pop top of it. I always save a vienna, just

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like I saved WW.

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Speaker 6: SID always has a vienna.

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Speaker 4: See, they would have gone under had I not come

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out there, they would have gone under nineteen ninety nine

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fall of nineteen ninety nine, that company would have gone down.

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But then they brought in Sid, and Sid was that

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lifeline because Sid said enough.

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Speaker 6: And the game WCW played it was simple, and they

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do simple.

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Speaker 8: You know what.

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Speaker 4: They gave me my contract and it was simple.

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Speaker 6: Thank God for that. And imagine how challenging it would

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be if it was complex, Because.

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Speaker 4: If I couldn't read it and I didn't get what

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I want, I don't know what I would I might

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have had to take it anyway.

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Speaker 9: Haha.

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Speaker 6: You know, he would have been so out of sorts,

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he would that he would have taken the contract.

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Speaker 4: Anyway, done the fucking if they did a bunch of

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legal jargon and said that he was gonna basically work

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for free, he would have taken it because he wouldn't

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know any better.

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Speaker 6: Said, to take it anyway is the most extreme and

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unpredictable thing someone like Sid could do exactly instead of

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find some security is root around it. So this is

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just fascinating, and it's just wild that Sid sits at

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the nerve center of it all and all he's doing

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is like shrugging his shoulders and just doing what they

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tell him to do kind of, because this check is amazing.

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I mean, we've heard him talk about it. This guaranteed

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w stub contract is unlike anything he's really experienced. He's

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gotten guaranteed money from Jim Hurd and stuff in the past,

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but it's been sort of it's been sort of equally

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enticing to do the the upside WWF contract, where yeah,

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I'm not getting guaranteed this money, but if I do

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a couple of hot programs I can I can do

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well over that and fill buildings right right, This is like,

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you know, he's out filling buildings Towards the end of WWF.

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He probably was in his rights to start to think, well,

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all right, that's the end of the wrestling thing, or

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at least at a high level. Goes ECW and back

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to Memphis, as we've talked about, and all of a sudden,

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he's offered more guaranteed money he's ever seen in his life,

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with all kinds of favorable contractual terms. It's time for

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SID to thrive, boss, I know exactly.

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Speaker 4: It's like, has there ever have there been? Have there

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been any wrestlers who have survived as well as SID

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on pure dumb luck? Oh? Man, Well, think about it.

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I'm talking about a multi time world champion on fucking

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dumb luck.

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Speaker 6: I don't think there's been someone that has looked a

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gift horse in the mouth as much as Sid did

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during his wrestling career, who was still able to have

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so much success and so much show high profile exposure. Yeah,

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I mean nothing. You put Nash in that category, You

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could put Summon in this category. But for Sid, it

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was just that he kept he kept fucking up opportunities. Yeah,

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and it just didn't matter. I mean, he almost stabbed

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arn Anderson to death. Right, Fine, I guess totally to

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the business. He's he's got a job again in the

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same company, aren't there, right, which we haven't touched on yet,

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which we will in this episode of our TLF tribute

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to Sid as we turn the page to get another

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holiday season. And that's when things get really really spicy

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around here, don't they. Boss. Yes, they do quite a

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bit of the logs to throw in the fire in

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celebration of TLFX. Oh yeah, and we'll get to all that.

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But for Sid, I mean the way it's unfolding and

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the way you should start to, you know, calibrate your

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expectations through the end of the year, as we'll talk

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about in this episode. He wraps up his WCW run

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in a manner most unfortunate, most unfortunate. I sure hope

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when he signed that contract in nineteen ninety nine that

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no one told said to break a leg, because my god,

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oh man, I mean, have you grappled with that reality before?

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Speaker 4: Did you?

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Speaker 6: Did you know that happened to the man?

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Speaker 8: No?

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Speaker 4: No, I didn't know that. I don't think. I'm trying

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to remember. I mean you, I mean, listen, you changed

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my whole education of wrestling, So you must have told

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me at some point that had happened. But honestly, I

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don't recall. But then I know, I do know that

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that at one point I was certainly inspired to look

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it up on YouTube in early YouTube days, Yes, were

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back when it was like the the you know, place

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to go to find Kenna Kobashi.

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Speaker 6: Mans Is inspired the word.

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Speaker 4: Yes, Yes, I was inspired to witness maybe the one

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of at the time, I would say, the most grotesque

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injury I've ever seen in the world.

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Speaker 6: Again, it's how sid is that? I mean, a guy

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who yeah, you know what I mean, he took his licks,

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We talked about it. He worked harder than he had

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a reputation for. But how does a guy like sit

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in up in that position. It's so sick.

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Speaker 4: I mean yeah, I mean he's just like again to me,

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that's just he's got complete dumb luck, both good and bad.

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Speaker 6: Bad fortune and dumb work.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, like he just I mean, I the big,

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the big question. I always why is he doing that move?

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We'll get to that. Why are you doing that move?

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Why are you up there? I mean, I don't know,

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I can't. I'm trying to remember if and think if

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if we've seen him do second rope moves before, and

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I don't remember, if we had occasionally a double act

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off the top weird occasionally a double acts off the top,

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off the top, Yeah, I've seen it. I think, wow, right,

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I mean that's crazy right there. I wouldn't do that.

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But it's it's just it's just stupid. It's just fucking stupid.

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Speaker 6: It's somehow so sid I don't know how to put

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worse to it. But it's like this this guy, he's

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he's he is a walking womp womp that's what he is,

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you know.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, he.

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Speaker 6: Bless the man he gave.

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Speaker 4: But anybody can, if anybody can, like just do an

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entrance with him where you come. You hear the music

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hit play, but the moment he comes through the curtain,

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it's just a womp wam.

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Speaker 6: You don't even just add that in there, please, I mean,

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there's plenty of opportunities to add it in and this

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run is no exception some of things that come out

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of his mouth, some of the scenarios that he's placed into,

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like being asked to act and things like that just

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completely tone deaf to Sid's long list of limitations. Okay,

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we've heard and we've demonstrated. I think over the course

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of this tribute that you don't just give Sid complicated,

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long winded material and expected to be any good. You

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just don't You just yeah, right, the guy has money

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in him. Now, a guy has money in him. But

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you need to know what to accentuate and what to

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dial down. You have to because otherwise he looks like

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a guy who's just he's just out in the middle

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of the ocean without a paddle. And yeah, and this

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World Champs to Prestling run stare oh fool like he

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has no idea He was a deer in that horrific

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nineteen ninety nine WCW logo or the headlights Are we

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going to get to it all here as our tribute

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continues to unfold. So in terms of setting expectations through

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the year, what we'll talk this time about at the

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end of Sid's run, what we'll talk the next time about,

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what precipitated the end of the run, and all of

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the contexts and story behind that. It is a as

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a much richer story than I think you probably anticipate

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and appreciate. And then we'll we'll we'll let Sid right

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off into the sunset. So that's how we're gonna help.

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If he if he if he if he goes in

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the right direction, and that's what I'm saying, we'll let

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him do it. It doesn't mean he will.

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Speaker 4: You know, if he's trying to find a sunset, he

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might be going east for all we know.

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Speaker 6: You know, like you know they say, like if you

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love something, let it go, and if it comes home,

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like Sid, you'll let him go, and he'll try to

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come home, but he'll he won't find home, So you'll

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you'll take the wrong message. If you love him, let

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him go, and you know what the problem is, he'll

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get lost and he'll let him coming back. Said to

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be the guy who like you let go, he tried

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to come home, but he got lost, and so you

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took the wrong idea from it for the rest of

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your life. And he's spent the rest of his life

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trying to find out how to get home.

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Speaker 4: He's you know what he is.

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Speaker 6: He's a He's a character in a Cohen Brother's picture.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, oh, oh, absolutely absolutely.

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Speaker 6: I think I know what I mean by that. But

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what do you think I mean by that?

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Speaker 4: Because I'm not sure, but it fits well. I mean,

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you know, in a weird way. I mean, he's like

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a mix of of of Donnie and Walter in Big Lebowski.

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He's like a mix, like he's got the the bravado

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and the loud, barking voice of John Goodman in The

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Big Lebowski, but he's got the brain of Steve Buscemi.

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You know, that's what it is.

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Speaker 6: And he's got the career path or the or the

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journey path of you.

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Speaker 4: Know, you can you can. I can see him fucking

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like like John Goodman in the movie, taking a gun

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out in the middle of a fucking bowling alley. But

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I also see him like not sure what's happening next

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to him.

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Speaker 6: Perfect perfect, he sees the threat that's coming six miles away,

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but he doesn't see someone has a gun pointed at

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his temple at this exact moment, right, pretty much, And

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he belongs in a brother where art thou?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I've never you know, that's one Coen Brothers movie

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I've never seen.

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Speaker 6: I think that's where I came from in my mind.

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Is I'm like, OK, if he's wandering the landscape trying

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to get home, yeah, I.

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Speaker 4: Just couldn't use that as a reference because I don't

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know it.

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Speaker 6: I don't know the movie maybe coming soon under the cinemat.

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Now that I made that comparison, you know, I feel

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like that might be that hardly qualify somebody's in it,

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but it might be you know, that might be coming

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soon a deeply, deeply possible.

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Speaker 4: So we're taking a quick look at the list here now,

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Oh yeah, yeah, the list is always handy. It's always there,

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it's always present. I mean, you get to understand, it's

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just so now not yet, not yet, that one hasn't

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made the cut, not made the cut yet, right, so

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they can consider the gun look thrown down. Just know

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we're talking. I mean, God, almighty, I've got I've got

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six hundred movies.

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Speaker 6: All right, it's fine, we get through those.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, that's six hundred first.

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Speaker 6: Three hundred and fifty six days in years, will take

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us like two years, right, because we'll do one every day.

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We'll do it every fucking day.

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Speaker 4: That'll be doing every fucking day.

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00:23:55,440 --> 00:23:57,160
Speaker 6: It always blows my mind when somebody that I know

475
00:23:57,319 --> 00:24:00,160
is like a really fervent listener like, well, we'll up

476
00:24:00,240 --> 00:24:01,559
dat us and say all right, I'm up to an

477
00:24:01,559 --> 00:24:04,559
episode from like the TNH series. I'm like, oh my god, Yeah,

478
00:24:04,799 --> 00:24:05,759
you've got a long way to go.

479
00:24:06,200 --> 00:24:07,599
Speaker 4: But you know, so it happens.

480
00:24:07,720 --> 00:24:09,720
Speaker 6: You know, people jump on board at different times, but

481
00:24:09,799 --> 00:24:11,599
everybody wants to go and start at the beginning because

482
00:24:11,640 --> 00:24:12,519
that's the only way to do it.

483
00:24:12,759 --> 00:24:15,279
Speaker 4: Hey, I understand, I understand. I mean you know that

484
00:24:15,440 --> 00:24:17,640
you get, you get, you get the whole thing. I mean,

485
00:24:17,680 --> 00:24:20,880
we're you're you know, we are a an episodic but

486
00:24:21,079 --> 00:24:23,119
also serialized same time.

487
00:24:23,440 --> 00:24:26,799
Speaker 6: Absolutely, and you know we talk about elf on a shelf?

488
00:24:26,880 --> 00:24:28,680
What about fucking casts on a shelf? You know, what

489
00:24:28,799 --> 00:24:29,799
about that shelf life?

490
00:24:29,960 --> 00:24:31,359
Speaker 4: Your damn right shelf life.

491
00:24:31,400 --> 00:24:34,079
Speaker 6: Indeed, we head into the holiday season and there's no

492
00:24:34,160 --> 00:24:36,240
shortage of ways to make sure that the lapsed fan

493
00:24:36,319 --> 00:24:38,480
in your life has a merry Christmas and a happy

494
00:24:38,519 --> 00:24:41,759
holiday season, because we're just going to start bursting at

495
00:24:41,759 --> 00:24:43,960
the seams. I mentioned, uh kind of how the sid

496
00:24:44,039 --> 00:24:46,279
journey will We'll continue to unfold here, and I've just

497
00:24:46,640 --> 00:24:48,759
accepted it's a journey at this point. I'm no longer fighting.

498
00:24:48,920 --> 00:24:50,599
Speaker 4: Yeah, it is, I mean it is. I mean, look,

499
00:24:50,640 --> 00:24:52,319
we've been on it for like what two months now.

500
00:24:52,240 --> 00:24:54,480
Speaker 6: We'll just they want every little detail, you know, I can't.

501
00:24:54,960 --> 00:24:56,599
I'm like, I'm like, okay, we'll pink with a broad

502
00:24:56,640 --> 00:24:58,519
brush here. We'll cover five years and like a half

503
00:24:58,559 --> 00:25:00,119
of a show. And someone's like, oh, I can't wait

504
00:25:00,160 --> 00:25:02,079
for you to talk about this one thing he said

505
00:25:02,640 --> 00:25:05,000
in nineteen ninety seven. I'm like, okay, I can't.

506
00:25:05,039 --> 00:25:06,519
Speaker 4: I can't wait for you to talk about the time

507
00:25:06,559 --> 00:25:10,920
he clipped his fingernail, you know, at his mom's house

508
00:25:11,039 --> 00:25:12,599
in between two WW shows.

509
00:25:12,640 --> 00:25:16,039
Speaker 6: And so we always we always adjust and attune ourselves.

510
00:25:16,079 --> 00:25:19,079
We're like a We're like a plant, a plant that

511
00:25:19,200 --> 00:25:23,000
starts leaning in the direction of the sun to continue

512
00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:25,599
feeding off that nourishment from the solar system as it

513
00:25:25,640 --> 00:25:28,200
continues to glow upon us in celebration of ten years

514
00:25:28,200 --> 00:25:31,359
of lapsed as we enter a new decade of dominance,

515
00:25:32,359 --> 00:25:34,839
and you know it's it's going to be in addition

516
00:25:34,920 --> 00:25:36,559
to the wrapping up of the SID series, it's going

517
00:25:36,599 --> 00:25:39,799
to be significant because we're going to start dropping on

518
00:25:39,920 --> 00:25:43,359
you the the twenty twenty four TLF unwrapping that's right

519
00:25:43,759 --> 00:25:46,359
coming your way in December. It's definitely going to be

520
00:25:46,640 --> 00:25:49,160
at least boss twenty four days of Christmas here at

521
00:25:49,160 --> 00:25:49,519
t LF.

522
00:25:49,680 --> 00:25:53,039
Speaker 4: Oh, at least, there's so many there's so fucking many,

523
00:25:53,200 --> 00:25:56,640
so many gifts episode, so many gifts, it's insane.

524
00:25:56,680 --> 00:25:58,799
Speaker 6: So you guys are insane. Really, that's all I'm going

525
00:25:58,880 --> 00:26:01,599
to say. Really took care of business this year. The

526
00:26:01,720 --> 00:26:05,119
third unwrapping a TLFX miss. Indeed it will be, and

527
00:26:05,240 --> 00:26:08,160
so expect the main feed to be taken over by

528
00:26:08,279 --> 00:26:12,960
an orgy of unwrapping. Yeah, as the Solar system looks

529
00:26:13,039 --> 00:26:16,279
to you know, make it real, make all this real,

530
00:26:17,640 --> 00:26:19,839
tangible in our hands, and we look forward to sharing

531
00:26:19,839 --> 00:26:21,279
all that with you and hope you check out each

532
00:26:21,319 --> 00:26:23,480
and every morsel that we'll be putting under the tree

533
00:26:23,519 --> 00:26:26,519
this holiday season. In addition to the SID series taking

534
00:26:26,920 --> 00:26:31,519
its final lap, will also be transitioning out of what

535
00:26:31,680 --> 00:26:33,759
has been one of the most remarkable things to happen

536
00:26:33,839 --> 00:26:37,480
under the cinemat easily into Christmas movie season. But foss,

537
00:26:37,480 --> 00:26:39,359
we do need to update the people on Bond because

538
00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:42,000
we revisited it after a quick pause for scary movie season,

539
00:26:42,079 --> 00:26:43,799
and my god, are we rounding third?

540
00:26:44,440 --> 00:26:47,519
Speaker 4: I mean, it's it's quite you know, it's so interesting

541
00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:51,839
coming back to it, and I think, I mean, you

542
00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:54,799
actually tell me now, like, was that the right move anyway?

543
00:26:55,279 --> 00:26:56,920
Was it the right move to take that break? Yes,

544
00:26:57,519 --> 00:27:01,839
given what you know with the the Daniel Craig stuff, Yes,

545
00:27:02,079 --> 00:27:05,079
you know it works because it just the continuity is different. Yes,

546
00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:10,599
So yeah, we got our last one, our last one

547
00:27:10,680 --> 00:27:13,480
coming up. It is it's a little I gotta tell you.

548
00:27:13,480 --> 00:27:16,680
You know, it's like every fucking journey. It's like every

549
00:27:16,920 --> 00:27:21,079
fucking journey we ever do, and including this one for

550
00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:24,519
that matter. It's like there comes, you know, every journey,

551
00:27:24,759 --> 00:27:29,640
there's a You start off strong, it's always very exciting,

552
00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:33,720
it's always fun. In the in the middle, it always

553
00:27:33,720 --> 00:27:36,960
gets a little hard. Not like that it's that it's

554
00:27:37,079 --> 00:27:39,559
not interesting or that it's not fun, but when you're

555
00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:41,799
kind of like, okay, we got to move this thing along?

556
00:27:41,839 --> 00:27:44,480
How do we move this thing along? And I mean

557
00:27:44,519 --> 00:27:47,400
I felt I felt that way even the first one WrestleMania.

558
00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:50,480
You know, we kind of got into an area like

559
00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:56,079
especially in like the the early two thousands of WrestleMania's

560
00:27:56,160 --> 00:27:58,519
or like mid two thousands WrestleManias, we're like, okay, come on,

561
00:27:58,680 --> 00:28:01,680
can we just wrap this fucking thing? You know? And

562
00:28:02,319 --> 00:28:05,839
same thing, But then get to the end and it's

563
00:28:05,839 --> 00:28:09,160
almost like, oh shit, like there's just it's just bittersweet.

564
00:28:09,359 --> 00:28:11,240
There's it's always a bittersweet ending. And I've got that

565
00:28:11,359 --> 00:28:15,799
feeling inside where I'm like, man, this has been so

566
00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:21,640
much fun. It's been so great. It's been exhausting, it's

567
00:28:21,880 --> 00:28:26,240
been crazy, but it's like this has been so much fun.

568
00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:27,759
Speaker 6: Had to be done.

569
00:28:28,440 --> 00:28:29,000
Speaker 4: It did happen.

570
00:28:29,079 --> 00:28:31,680
Speaker 6: That's what you take solace in because when yes, you

571
00:28:31,720 --> 00:28:33,559
feel like you should be seventy five percent of the

572
00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:35,559
way done and you're only thirty five percent of the

573
00:28:35,599 --> 00:28:38,839
way done, keeps you going on. Service to the solar

574
00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:42,440
system is that it must be done, like if not us,

575
00:28:42,519 --> 00:28:45,400
who And so it's gonna get agreed, We're gonna keep going.

576
00:28:45,519 --> 00:28:48,319
We're gonna yeah, We're gonna just clear the decks until

577
00:28:48,319 --> 00:28:55,839
the mission is accomplished, until until the recipient is satisfied. Okay, satiated,

578
00:28:56,359 --> 00:28:57,960
left breathless.

579
00:28:58,880 --> 00:29:00,680
Speaker 4: I mean, I mean, here's the thing. You ready for this?

580
00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:03,839
And it's it's not gonna happen for a while, but

581
00:29:04,319 --> 00:29:07,119
I already know what the next I'm the Cinema Turney

582
00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:07,480
is going to be.

583
00:29:07,640 --> 00:29:11,640
Speaker 6: You do I do breaking news, Yep, I do. It's

584
00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:14,920
not gonna be for a while, long time. But I've

585
00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:17,079
got an I've got a plan, and you're not going

586
00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:23,559
to divulge it right now. No fuck, no, I want

587
00:29:23,599 --> 00:29:29,160
you to get wet. Most people say wet the appetite. No,

588
00:29:29,240 --> 00:29:30,599
I want you to get wet at the thought of it.

589
00:29:30,680 --> 00:29:33,640
We're gonna be looking for I guess maybe some films

590
00:29:33,640 --> 00:29:36,680
who'll be selecting in the near future that might be constant,

591
00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:39,079
might constant foreplay. Perhaps maybe we should look at a

592
00:29:39,319 --> 00:29:42,759
way perhaps, man, Yeah, you never know, a lot of

593
00:29:42,839 --> 00:29:44,319
tea leaves to read. I think in the months to

594
00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:46,519
come here Oh yes, t f h Q. But under

595
00:29:46,519 --> 00:29:49,119
the cinemat carneies are forever a full tour through every

596
00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:51,799
James Bond film that has a wrestling nexus. What a

597
00:29:51,839 --> 00:29:54,039
pleasure it's been, What a pleasure it will continue to be.

598
00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:57,119
And my god, if there's ever a time to jump

599
00:29:57,160 --> 00:29:59,160
into the ep A above tier at patreon dot com

600
00:29:59,279 --> 00:30:03,640
slash lapsed, now is the time because you're getting peak performance.

601
00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:08,240
You're getting t LFX in made manifest through under this cinemat.

602
00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:25,079
Speaker 1: It's the lall wrestling podcast, the wrestling podcast that knows

603
00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:43,200
the boys need their candy. It's the Lapsed Fan. He's

604
00:30:43,279 --> 00:30:47,359
the Lapsed Fan Wrestling podcast with Jack and Carno and

605
00:30:47,519 --> 00:30:48,319
JP Soro.

606
00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:51,480
Speaker 6: And so we really do hope you join us. It'd

607
00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:53,720
be a great way. I don't know, if you're just

608
00:30:53,799 --> 00:30:55,759
catching up. Maybe through the holidays one thing, slow down

609
00:30:55,799 --> 00:30:57,920
a bit, you know, people trying to get through the

610
00:30:57,960 --> 00:30:59,599
workday with the podcast in the year all day you

611
00:30:59,640 --> 00:30:59,839
know that.

612
00:31:00,119 --> 00:31:03,960
Speaker 4: Us that I mean, think about that especially, think about

613
00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:07,279
that that that time period between Christmas and New Year's.

614
00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:11,720
You know, if you got to work between them, we're good.

615
00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:12,759
We're a good thing for that.

616
00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:17,559
Speaker 6: On folks, get your bond on your co chairs. I

617
00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:19,880
never thought in a million years that I end up

618
00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:22,960
being such a bond enthusiast as somebody who as I've

619
00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:25,240
talked about didn't watch any of them front to end

620
00:31:25,279 --> 00:31:28,759
before this journey began. And Boss Boss found a way.

621
00:31:29,519 --> 00:31:31,200
Boss found a way, just like I tried to do

622
00:31:31,319 --> 00:31:34,920
with like World Class and you know a w at

623
00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:37,759
the Trial of his life or even t na yea,

624
00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:39,880
you got it. You got to keep going and you

625
00:31:40,039 --> 00:31:43,319
have to show yep, Well, what's never gonna happen to

626
00:31:43,400 --> 00:31:45,200
us is what happened to like you know of Vince Russell,

627
00:31:45,319 --> 00:31:49,400
like where the audience detects that the booker cares less

628
00:31:49,599 --> 00:31:52,519
about the details than the audience.

629
00:31:53,319 --> 00:31:55,319
Speaker 4: No details are fucking key.

630
00:31:55,559 --> 00:31:57,240
Speaker 6: And that's the hill we're going to die on or

631
00:31:57,359 --> 00:32:00,880
thrive on. And so far it's been more than thriving

632
00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:05,160
and long continue so under the Cinemat executive producer tier

633
00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:08,079
and above. This is indeed the time. I don't know

634
00:32:08,119 --> 00:32:10,559
if you've got any doozies on tap for Christmas movie season.

635
00:32:10,640 --> 00:32:14,920
We have gotten some incredible, incredible films over the years

636
00:32:15,039 --> 00:32:17,680
in that time period, but can you give people a flavor.

637
00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:23,920
Speaker 4: I I I'll say this, Okay, So I've admitted that

638
00:32:24,319 --> 00:32:29,200
there is a certain affection that I've had towards the

639
00:32:29,279 --> 00:32:32,559
miss Christmas movies. Oh yeah, you struggling because they're just

640
00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:36,599
so stupid and they're just fucking idiotic. So I've got something.

641
00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:38,000
You know, he hasn't made one, I don't even know

642
00:32:38,039 --> 00:32:39,799
in the last movie he's made. He hasn't made many

643
00:32:39,839 --> 00:32:45,039
since in quite a while. But I found something in

644
00:32:45,119 --> 00:32:49,119
that vein that I think will be a fun that'll

645
00:32:49,119 --> 00:32:54,480
be a fun little uh jaunt. And then I'm I've

646
00:32:54,519 --> 00:32:57,599
got a couple in mind for a quite a doozy

647
00:32:57,680 --> 00:33:00,519
main event. There's one that I'm really hope and I

648
00:33:00,559 --> 00:33:01,039
can lock in.

649
00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:03,160
Speaker 6: So psyched out of your mind about.

650
00:33:03,359 --> 00:33:07,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, pretty much, I would say just that, yeah, psyched out.

651
00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:12,720
Speaker 6: Because you know, if you haven't been listening to Under

652
00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:14,799
the cinemat since the beginning. As wonderful as the epics

653
00:33:14,839 --> 00:33:17,759
have been and the huge sweeping, you know, Godfather episodes

654
00:33:17,759 --> 00:33:20,640
and things like that, the heart of it is really

655
00:33:20,759 --> 00:33:22,799
just like the heart of TLF, Like, what's the zaniest,

656
00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:26,640
weirdest shiit, what's the bad stuff that we can make good?

657
00:33:26,720 --> 00:33:29,000
Speaker 4: You know, it goes yeah, and just what's the stuff

658
00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:30,200
that we can look at and say, what the fuck

659
00:33:30,319 --> 00:33:34,960
is this? Holy? I listen, listen. I am bummed that

660
00:33:35,119 --> 00:33:36,960
Kevin Nash didn't have a Christmas Movie. I would have

661
00:33:37,240 --> 00:33:39,279
done that right away, all right, that'd been right on

662
00:33:39,319 --> 00:33:41,000
the list. Fail on the archives. Vone in the cinemat

663
00:33:41,039 --> 00:33:43,960
by the way, Santa Sligh featuring Goldberg. Oh yes, absolutely,

664
00:33:43,960 --> 00:33:49,319
I mean look, I mean look our first our first shows.

665
00:33:49,519 --> 00:33:51,039
The first time we did under the cinemat, it was

666
00:33:51,119 --> 00:33:54,519
Christmas Movies. That's how we started with Muscles, Santa with

667
00:33:54,599 --> 00:33:58,119
Muscle my God, come on, folks, Santa with muscles, and

668
00:33:58,519 --> 00:34:02,359
and uh uh yeah, of course Santas Slade, Jingle all

669
00:34:02,400 --> 00:34:06,640
the way and uh and die Hard were the first four.

670
00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:09,159
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, that's right. Wow memories.

671
00:34:09,840 --> 00:34:12,800
Speaker 4: Well we got fucking introduced. I mean, what a think

672
00:34:12,840 --> 00:34:15,119
about that? Where you go right introduced to uh, to

673
00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:20,639
a norbirth group. First first four shows him to get

674
00:34:20,760 --> 00:34:21,599
Norbird group.

675
00:34:22,159 --> 00:34:25,320
Speaker 6: Just wrestlers that you'll never you'll never see put under

676
00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:25,840
the spotlight.

677
00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:28,960
Speaker 4: That's the fucking beauty of it, all right. That's the

678
00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:32,000
that's the fun part for me is finding these clowns

679
00:34:32,079 --> 00:34:35,159
that you know, that that you know they needed to

680
00:34:35,199 --> 00:34:37,480
make a living and they and then they end up

681
00:34:37,480 --> 00:34:41,400
becoming actors or stunt people or whatever like. But in

682
00:34:41,480 --> 00:34:43,280
the meantime they had to fucking wrestle. It's all they

683
00:34:43,320 --> 00:34:43,559
could do.

684
00:34:43,960 --> 00:34:45,559
Speaker 6: In some ways, it was kind of like a spiritual

685
00:34:45,599 --> 00:34:48,119
extension of what we were going for with connecting the spots.

686
00:34:48,239 --> 00:34:51,239
Long time. Yeah patrons will remember when w W would

687
00:34:51,239 --> 00:34:54,239
post in the old network a hidden gem with a

688
00:34:54,280 --> 00:34:56,800
wrestler from you know, the fifties or something that no one,

689
00:34:57,440 --> 00:35:00,960
you know, that very few had heard of. We would

690
00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:02,519
go in, we would go hard, and we would try

691
00:35:02,519 --> 00:35:05,519
to understand like who this person was and what contexts

692
00:35:05,519 --> 00:35:07,960
they fit into, and it was so much fun. And

693
00:35:08,039 --> 00:35:10,159
then come to find out there was so much crossover

694
00:35:10,199 --> 00:35:13,559
between Hollywood and old wrestling. I know that this is

695
00:35:13,639 --> 00:35:16,119
just annoying way to do it, another mechanism, you know.

696
00:35:16,280 --> 00:35:18,280
Speaker 4: And the thing is, I get that's the been, always been.

697
00:35:18,280 --> 00:35:20,320
The biggest surprise is that everyone makes a big deal

698
00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:26,760
out of a rock or or Batista or Sina Hogan,

699
00:35:27,159 --> 00:35:29,159
Sina whatever. But it's like these guys have been doing

700
00:35:29,159 --> 00:35:32,880
it forever. There are people who are doing it, who've

701
00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:36,719
been doing the like Wrestlers being in movies is as

702
00:35:36,920 --> 00:35:43,559
old as fucking cinema at cinema, at cinema.

703
00:35:43,519 --> 00:35:45,960
Speaker 6: I mean, in so many ways because they share they

704
00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:49,559
share common ancestry with the stunt man the world.

705
00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:52,800
Speaker 4: Yep, exactly how to take it. They know how to

706
00:35:53,440 --> 00:35:57,519
they know how to play gruesome people. You know that

707
00:35:57,719 --> 00:36:02,400
that's there's so many people, there's so many wrestlers who

708
00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:06,679
who you know, just nobody remembers. And I'm that's what

709
00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:09,840
thrills me. That honestly is what thrills me the most

710
00:36:10,519 --> 00:36:14,400
is when I get you know, I either find or

711
00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:18,400
someone gives me a movie and we get to and

712
00:36:18,480 --> 00:36:21,559
it's somebody I've never heard it before, it's somebody from

713
00:36:21,559 --> 00:36:24,519
another country, and we get to find out. I gotta

714
00:36:24,519 --> 00:36:26,239
find out who this fucking guy is, right, and find

715
00:36:26,239 --> 00:36:31,119
out and find any wrestling, any wrestling evidence. And that's

716
00:36:31,119 --> 00:36:32,480
the best part, the best part.

717
00:36:33,239 --> 00:36:37,360
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's correct. And I bring up, you know, connecting

718
00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:39,199
the spots, and I bring up hidden Gems kind of

719
00:36:39,239 --> 00:36:42,920
forlornly because we got over it a while ago when

720
00:36:42,920 --> 00:36:44,679
they made the transition here in the States to peaking.

721
00:36:44,719 --> 00:36:45,599
Speaker 4: Oh fuck my life.

722
00:36:45,719 --> 00:36:48,000
Speaker 6: I don't know if you've seen any screen grabs those

723
00:36:48,239 --> 00:36:50,519
international folks that have been fortunate enough to still have

724
00:36:50,639 --> 00:36:52,840
the traditional WW network with all the stuff that we

725
00:36:52,920 --> 00:36:57,960
put up there. January first, twenty twenty five, it's done. Yep, Netflix,

726
00:36:59,719 --> 00:37:03,199
why would you want the W network? Why would you

727
00:37:03,239 --> 00:37:06,880
want that? Why would anybody want that? But I don't

728
00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:08,960
know what was kind of what kind of pisses me off.

729
00:37:09,119 --> 00:37:12,519
I mean, I guess they want the eyes on their thing,

730
00:37:12,559 --> 00:37:14,000
but it's like, it's kind of I wish that they

731
00:37:14,039 --> 00:37:19,000
would do that, that ownership of the network would go

732
00:37:19,039 --> 00:37:20,960
to somebody else or something like that, and they would,

733
00:37:21,360 --> 00:37:23,679
I don't know, get whatever they need to get form it,

734
00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:27,480
maybe get money or whatever. But with the maintenance of it,

735
00:37:28,159 --> 00:37:29,119
it's just like, let it be.

736
00:37:29,679 --> 00:37:31,719
Speaker 4: Let the network be the way that it always was,

737
00:37:31,960 --> 00:37:34,960
and then just people, you know, like Peacock can put

738
00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:37,599
its fucking thing on it, and then Netflix can put

739
00:37:37,639 --> 00:37:41,519
its fucking it's it's you know, make make make it,

740
00:37:41,679 --> 00:37:44,480
make it the Netflix w W network. I don't fucking care.

741
00:37:45,079 --> 00:37:47,360
But just that the way that it was was just great.

742
00:37:47,519 --> 00:37:50,119
I mean, the Peacock thing is is a fucking shit show.

743
00:37:51,079 --> 00:37:54,159
It's so awesome, so awful, like they've never they've never

744
00:37:54,280 --> 00:37:57,400
made it better. It's a joke.

745
00:37:58,119 --> 00:38:00,760
Speaker 6: I mean, people are free can out Because there was

746
00:38:00,800 --> 00:38:03,239
some like verbiage in the email that went out about

747
00:38:03,360 --> 00:38:07,280
WW network ending on January one, about how like select

748
00:38:07,719 --> 00:38:09,360
archive will be available on Netflix.

749
00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:12,079
Speaker 4: Of course, it's going to be like you know, it's

750
00:38:12,119 --> 00:38:14,320
going to be like nothing because because you know, they're

751
00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:16,880
not going to start doing They're not going to start

752
00:38:16,920 --> 00:38:21,280
transitioning the networks of over now why would they do it? Now?

753
00:38:21,360 --> 00:38:23,480
They'll do it. They'll do it on December thirty first,

754
00:38:23,519 --> 00:38:24,679
they'll start transferring shit over.

755
00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:26,920
Speaker 6: And will they do I mean, we gave up so

756
00:38:27,079 --> 00:38:30,400
much from the network to Peacock. Yep, you think the

757
00:38:30,440 --> 00:38:32,280
full Peacock archive is going to go to Netflix?

758
00:38:32,880 --> 00:38:33,119
Speaker 4: Fuck?

759
00:38:33,199 --> 00:38:33,639
Speaker 6: No, why not?

760
00:38:34,920 --> 00:38:36,400
Speaker 4: Because why would I do that? Why would I want

761
00:38:36,400 --> 00:38:36,840
to take the time?

762
00:38:39,719 --> 00:38:42,840
Speaker 6: We take the time and here we are, right, that's

763
00:38:44,400 --> 00:38:46,480
like you guys, we like there's not an argument for it.

764
00:38:47,679 --> 00:38:50,440
It's just it's just not worth it. So sad, Okay,

765
00:38:51,199 --> 00:38:56,239
it's just not worth it, so sad. So why if

766
00:38:56,320 --> 00:38:58,519
I don't think it's worth it, why should you think

767
00:38:58,559 --> 00:39:00,199
it's worth it? They did set up a U Tube

768
00:39:00,239 --> 00:39:02,440
channel called the Vault, which is kind of promising, but

769
00:39:03,599 --> 00:39:05,599
we need the archive we need we need We don't

770
00:39:05,639 --> 00:39:08,840
need the Vault sending us breadcrumbs. We need access to

771
00:39:08,880 --> 00:39:11,039
the Vault. I know, like I want full you know,

772
00:39:11,199 --> 00:39:15,079
I do love the like the certain little things, but

773
00:39:15,519 --> 00:39:18,000
like I need full shows. You've got they have full

774
00:39:18,079 --> 00:39:22,440
shows and events that just need to be seen.

775
00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:27,760
Speaker 4: So stop it. Stop being bitches.

776
00:39:28,639 --> 00:39:31,119
Speaker 6: I mean, look, listen to me, folks. One hundred dollars

777
00:39:31,159 --> 00:39:37,400
a month, people will pay it. Yeah, what are you

778
00:39:37,400 --> 00:39:40,320
gonna do this under the same corporate umbrella that has

779
00:39:40,360 --> 00:39:42,719
UFC Fight Pass with every last fist that's ever been

780
00:39:42,760 --> 00:39:45,000
thrown in an MMA organization sitting there for all the

781
00:39:45,079 --> 00:39:48,960
watch with no like shopping it around, maybe because no

782
00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:52,159
one wants it, but you know it's like, guys, like,

783
00:39:53,079 --> 00:39:54,519
just take care of you, take care of the people

784
00:39:54,559 --> 00:39:55,920
that are going to be with you until you're out

785
00:39:55,920 --> 00:39:58,760
of business. Like that's that's something you have to keep

786
00:39:58,760 --> 00:40:01,559
in mind. I think Netflix is going to give a

787
00:40:01,639 --> 00:40:04,840
fuck about not at all Awa SuperClash, you know what

788
00:40:04,880 --> 00:40:05,280
I mean.

789
00:40:06,360 --> 00:40:08,480
Speaker 4: They don't fucking.

790
00:40:11,039 --> 00:40:13,960
Speaker 6: And we get what we deserve because we were started.

791
00:40:14,079 --> 00:40:16,519
You know, that's why this started. The lapsed fan started

792
00:40:16,920 --> 00:40:19,519
because when the network came out, they were talking about

793
00:40:19,559 --> 00:40:20,800
what the lapsed fan wanted.

794
00:40:20,880 --> 00:40:23,360
Speaker 4: Remember this, right, yep. They were doing.

795
00:40:23,199 --> 00:40:27,639
Speaker 6: Powerpoints and investor calls, talking about investor decks, talking about

796
00:40:27,679 --> 00:40:30,199
how many lapsed fans that were out there and how

797
00:40:30,239 --> 00:40:32,559
this network was going to be the vehicle to recapture them.

798
00:40:33,079 --> 00:40:36,400
And aw strum the same guitar too. When they got started,

799
00:40:37,199 --> 00:40:39,400
and it was like, oh, ye oh, really you're gonna

800
00:40:39,400 --> 00:40:41,480
tell us what the lapsed fan wants. Let's let let

801
00:40:41,599 --> 00:40:43,679
us tell you. Okay, you're gonna put that exactly. You

802
00:40:43,719 --> 00:40:45,800
put this bounty in front of us. Let us do

803
00:40:45,960 --> 00:40:48,480
ten years worth of lucrative podcasting to prove to you

804
00:40:48,679 --> 00:40:53,320
that this is what the LAPS fan wants. Our listeners,

805
00:40:53,800 --> 00:40:56,679
even if they don't listen to us, they represent the

806
00:40:56,840 --> 00:41:01,039
kind of person that you want to life to customer value,

807
00:41:01,039 --> 00:41:02,559
whatever a fucking acronym you want to come up with

808
00:41:02,639 --> 00:41:07,639
in business school for it. That's where it's at. But

809
00:41:07,760 --> 00:41:09,719
now let's just put let's just put the last five

810
00:41:09,800 --> 00:41:11,960
years on Netflix, right, Let's just.

811
00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:14,280
Speaker 4: No one needs the whole thing. No one's gonna be

812
00:41:14,320 --> 00:41:20,559
watching wresting, you know, fucking wrastling from the seventies. We're here,

813
00:41:20,840 --> 00:41:23,360
we're for hire. Put us in charge. You'll never get

814
00:41:23,400 --> 00:41:25,800
another complaint again. You won't have to lift a single finger.

815
00:41:28,079 --> 00:41:30,320
We are the one, just like yeat. Let us have

816
00:41:30,519 --> 00:41:32,960
the fucking tape archive. We talked in there, and let

817
00:41:33,039 --> 00:41:33,920
us put sh it up.

818
00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:35,719
Speaker 6: And how frustrating is it to talk to somebody like

819
00:41:35,760 --> 00:41:37,280
Matt Camp, who we talked to this year, who was

820
00:41:37,320 --> 00:41:38,679
in the belly of the Beast, who is fighting this

821
00:41:38,760 --> 00:41:41,480
same fight. It's it's not even like there aren't people

822
00:41:41,599 --> 00:41:44,840
inside that don't realize it. It's even when pointed out

823
00:41:44,880 --> 00:41:46,920
to them, these people who think they're gonna win an

824
00:41:46,920 --> 00:41:50,639
Emmy for TV production just can't fucking get it. They

825
00:41:50,760 --> 00:41:52,960
just can't. They just can't countenance the fact that all

826
00:41:53,000 --> 00:41:55,480
that matters is servicing the fans you have, and then

827
00:41:55,519 --> 00:41:59,519
the rest is all gravy. I don't know, man, I'm

828
00:41:59,559 --> 00:42:01,559
not looking for or to this new turning of the page.

829
00:42:01,599 --> 00:42:05,639
Speaker 4: And in that vein, it's it's it's never listen, it's

830
00:42:05,760 --> 00:42:07,800
it's it's gonna get worse before it gets better.

831
00:42:08,480 --> 00:42:10,719
Speaker 6: Why is that necessarily a fact? What kind of attitude

832
00:42:10,800 --> 00:42:10,920
is that?

833
00:42:12,719 --> 00:42:16,199
Speaker 4: Because you know, because they don't make it easy, and

834
00:42:16,280 --> 00:42:21,360
they don't make it fun, let's fucking get it all right,

835
00:42:21,639 --> 00:42:25,480
and and and they don't know what they're doing.

836
00:42:28,760 --> 00:42:31,880
Speaker 6: It's so true, like you know, they even if they

837
00:42:31,920 --> 00:42:33,519
put a good product in the ring, it's like these

838
00:42:33,559 --> 00:42:36,559
little things that you're just like, what are they doing? Like,

839
00:42:36,639 --> 00:42:39,440
why are they bothering with this? Why are they not

840
00:42:39,519 --> 00:42:40,280
doing this over here?

841
00:42:41,559 --> 00:42:45,400
Speaker 4: Why aren't they doing anything else? But yeah, I mean like,

842
00:42:45,639 --> 00:42:48,199
is it that hard? Apparently it is that hard.

843
00:42:48,440 --> 00:42:48,639
Speaker 7: I know.

844
00:42:48,840 --> 00:42:51,480
Speaker 4: I yeah, that that is it. It is that fucking hard.

845
00:42:52,039 --> 00:42:53,679
Speaker 6: Here's how you do it. Just take it from us.

846
00:42:53,679 --> 00:42:56,159
Here's how you do it. You start with the earliest

847
00:42:56,239 --> 00:42:58,880
year you have footage from. Yeah, I'd love to know

848
00:42:58,960 --> 00:43:00,639
if the footage is stored by year, because they don't

849
00:43:00,639 --> 00:43:02,719
make it this much easier and you just upload one

850
00:43:02,800 --> 00:43:03,400
thing every day.

851
00:43:03,599 --> 00:43:04,800
Speaker 4: Listen, I'm sure it's alphabetical.

852
00:43:05,440 --> 00:43:07,159
Speaker 6: Fucking why would it be alphabetical?

853
00:43:08,679 --> 00:43:12,039
Speaker 4: Why wouldn't it be alphabetical? That's the wrong question.

854
00:43:12,119 --> 00:43:15,079
Speaker 6: I can't believe that it's it's that difficult, because they

855
00:43:15,199 --> 00:43:18,159
find really obscure clips for like their documentaries and stuff

856
00:43:18,239 --> 00:43:21,000
really quickly. You know, they're able to find like you know,

857
00:43:21,119 --> 00:43:22,719
the A and E stuff, Like they're able to find

858
00:43:22,760 --> 00:43:25,079
these moments that weren't even on television that are sitting

859
00:43:25,159 --> 00:43:28,519
somewhere on like b roll that they have. They seem

860
00:43:28,559 --> 00:43:30,599
to call upon that pretty pretty easily. I don't know

861
00:43:30,639 --> 00:43:34,280
how much work. It is takes, but do they another

862
00:43:34,320 --> 00:43:36,280
brand new world. It's going to be a new year

863
00:43:36,280 --> 00:43:39,519
in a new world. Until then, we can still seep

864
00:43:39,559 --> 00:43:42,800
in the juices of of TLFX in twenty twenty four

865
00:43:44,960 --> 00:43:47,320
and in the vein of the transition of Netflix. You

866
00:43:47,400 --> 00:43:50,199
do want to be locked into Patreon dot com slash

867
00:43:50,239 --> 00:43:52,480
the lapsed fan For another reason, We're going to be

868
00:43:52,519 --> 00:43:55,280
closing out twenty twenty four in style in the form of.

869
00:43:55,320 --> 00:43:58,719
Speaker 4: Live calls because while oh yes, oh yes, they're.

870
00:43:58,599 --> 00:44:01,960
Speaker 6: Probably hearing this post, probably with the Survivor series coming

871
00:44:02,039 --> 00:44:10,199
up the Saturday after Thanksgiving tradition, the post Thanksgiving tradition,

872
00:44:17,599 --> 00:44:19,000
it has a certain ring to it, doesn't it?

873
00:44:19,639 --> 00:44:22,760
Speaker 4: It does it does? It definitely makes me get excited

874
00:44:22,840 --> 00:44:26,239
for a holiday, except the way I don't because it's

875
00:44:26,320 --> 00:44:28,920
after the holiday. Just do it.

876
00:44:29,000 --> 00:44:31,119
Speaker 6: Do it the garden every year, you know that way,

877
00:44:31,320 --> 00:44:33,880
Like you know, everyone who works in the office, like

878
00:44:34,000 --> 00:44:35,880
they have to work, but it's like you know, they

879
00:44:35,920 --> 00:44:38,320
can do half a day or something. People from Florida

880
00:44:38,320 --> 00:44:39,960
can fly up in three hours. That's where so many

881
00:44:40,000 --> 00:44:42,159
your people are. Maybe if they're all around the country,

882
00:44:42,360 --> 00:44:43,559
just you know, maybe they don't have to work. I

883
00:44:43,599 --> 00:44:45,599
don't know. I hate to take Thanksgiving away from anybody,

884
00:44:45,599 --> 00:44:49,920
but it's sitting there. It's sitting there, begging, begging to

885
00:44:50,039 --> 00:44:53,840
be activated. For the wrestling fan, it really is. It's

886
00:44:54,000 --> 00:44:55,199
it's the way it used to be, and it's the

887
00:44:55,199 --> 00:44:57,599
way it should be. It should be the Thanksgiving Eve

888
00:44:57,719 --> 00:44:58,840
or the Thanksgiving Day tradition.

889
00:44:58,960 --> 00:44:59,079
Speaker 7: Right.

890
00:44:59,159 --> 00:45:02,239
Speaker 6: Doesn't this make sense, especially in an era when they're

891
00:45:02,239 --> 00:45:04,280
willing to put Royal rumble in fucking February.

892
00:45:05,039 --> 00:45:07,199
Speaker 4: It's so, it's just so.

893
00:45:07,480 --> 00:45:09,400
Speaker 6: The live call coming your way as the art of

894
00:45:09,440 --> 00:45:13,400
war games continue, speaking of Ersten Wylt left journeys, indeed

895
00:45:13,599 --> 00:45:15,960
as the Bloodline exploads in the in the War Games Cage,

896
00:45:16,760 --> 00:45:18,840
and we'll also being with you for the return of

897
00:45:18,880 --> 00:45:21,800
Saturday Night's main event, These war Games, Saturday Night's main event.

898
00:45:21,880 --> 00:45:24,159
These things keep coming back, not because we're right when

899
00:45:24,199 --> 00:45:26,320
we say it used to be better, but because we're.

900
00:45:26,400 --> 00:45:29,840
Speaker 4: Wrong, because we're because it's it's just it's just a

901
00:45:29,880 --> 00:45:31,199
happy coincident, Yeah.

902
00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:33,159
Speaker 6: Exactly, and we need to really stop taking credit for

903
00:45:33,280 --> 00:45:37,559
the seven hundred things that happen thing, all right, And then,

904
00:45:37,599 --> 00:45:40,079
of course we plan to be with you for the

905
00:45:40,119 --> 00:45:42,599
aforementioned first raw on Netflix. This is turning out to

906
00:45:42,599 --> 00:45:44,960
be quite a big thing, a new era. I don't

907
00:45:44,960 --> 00:45:46,719
know if you heard about the problems buffering with the

908
00:45:46,800 --> 00:45:48,920
Jake Paul Mike Tyson fight, Boss, but I look forward

909
00:45:48,920 --> 00:45:52,840
to being live and in color as they fail to

910
00:45:52,880 --> 00:45:54,000
deliver the stream.

911
00:45:54,440 --> 00:45:58,840
Speaker 4: Absolutely listen. I I hope, what I hope happens is

912
00:45:58,880 --> 00:46:03,079
that they end up canceling it, like fifteen minutes in

913
00:46:03,360 --> 00:46:04,800
dand up just saying, you know what, we can't do

914
00:46:04,960 --> 00:46:08,719
this stream tonight. They'll keep the show live for you know,

915
00:46:08,719 --> 00:46:10,559
and they'll probably they'll eric some of the time, but

916
00:46:10,679 --> 00:46:12,280
like the live stream, it just can't happen.

917
00:46:13,280 --> 00:46:14,239
Speaker 6: They'll literally give up.

918
00:46:15,119 --> 00:46:18,000
Speaker 4: Yeah exactly. They're just like, just fucking we get it.

919
00:46:18,280 --> 00:46:21,599
We have to restart our servers, the whole fucking thing.

920
00:46:21,800 --> 00:46:23,719
Just forget it. Just forget it. By the time we

921
00:46:23,800 --> 00:46:27,679
restart every reboot everything, it's gonna be fucking midnight. Forget it.

922
00:46:28,559 --> 00:46:31,840
Speaker 6: I try to find the exact quote, because I triple

923
00:46:32,000 --> 00:46:36,320
hu did not in gender confidence when asked about the

924
00:46:38,199 --> 00:46:38,599
the Street.

925
00:46:39,760 --> 00:46:42,360
Speaker 4: He's he's such a fucking why would he He's a

926
00:46:42,400 --> 00:46:43,320
fucking idiot.

927
00:46:43,840 --> 00:46:47,079
Speaker 6: Eddieone who's throwing cold water on this thing needs to realize, well,

928
00:46:47,320 --> 00:46:51,440
you know him cold water, So I made that one up,

929
00:46:51,639 --> 00:46:54,599
but the fact that you thought he said it. So

930
00:46:54,679 --> 00:46:57,360
they asked him about it on Greg in the Morning Buzz,

931
00:46:57,440 --> 00:46:59,519
which is a talk show, and they were talking about

932
00:46:59,519 --> 00:47:00,760
what happened to the Hall fight and you guys are

933
00:47:00,800 --> 00:47:02,400
going to Netflix, aren't you afraid when you're a live

934
00:47:02,519 --> 00:47:04,280
that people won't be able to see the show and

935
00:47:04,320 --> 00:47:07,000
it'll fuck up like that? And he says, you start

936
00:47:07,039 --> 00:47:09,920
putting sixty million households all at once on the streaming service.

937
00:47:10,159 --> 00:47:12,320
If our first night buffers, and they come and say

938
00:47:12,400 --> 00:47:15,079
there were sixty to seventy million households watching, I'll be

939
00:47:15,159 --> 00:47:16,000
good with the buffering.

940
00:47:19,480 --> 00:47:22,119
Speaker 4: Well about the mic buffering or the bruce buffering or

941
00:47:22,159 --> 00:47:22,559
the whatever.

942
00:47:23,800 --> 00:47:27,119
Speaker 6: The mentality that that portrays, you know, like instead of saying, now,

943
00:47:27,159 --> 00:47:29,000
it's not gonna happen because he's.

944
00:47:28,840 --> 00:47:32,760
Speaker 4: Got no he's got no fucking clue, all right, that's

945
00:47:32,840 --> 00:47:34,079
the thing about it. He's got no.

946
00:47:34,480 --> 00:47:37,800
Speaker 6: Collecting all these live gate records and all these things.

947
00:47:37,840 --> 00:47:40,599
He's collecting all these numbers like it, you talk, anyone's

948
00:47:40,639 --> 00:47:43,000
gonna give a fuck when finally someone's done with playtime.

949
00:47:43,119 --> 00:47:47,519
Speaker 4: You know, nobody cares about the fucking all right, about

950
00:47:47,559 --> 00:47:50,400
the fucking numbers. They just want to watch the fucking show.

951
00:47:51,079 --> 00:47:53,519
And if you can't produce the fucking show numbers, what

952
00:47:53,719 --> 00:47:56,039
good are you? I mean, it's gonna be.

953
00:47:57,000 --> 00:47:59,199
Speaker 6: I sat there and I didn't care about the politic

954
00:47:59,320 --> 00:48:01,159
and fight that much. It wasn't like something that I

955
00:48:01,280 --> 00:48:04,199
was like, I didn't have a million people over and

956
00:48:04,280 --> 00:48:05,880
the pressure you know what I mean that that can create.

957
00:48:06,599 --> 00:48:07,800
I didn't have any of that. But I was just

958
00:48:07,840 --> 00:48:09,800
like sitting there, like someone has to be fired for this,

959
00:48:10,599 --> 00:48:14,119
Like if you can't deliver a live stream in twenty

960
00:48:14,280 --> 00:48:17,639
twenty four in accordance with if you can't predict the

961
00:48:17,679 --> 00:48:19,320
amount of people that are going to watch something like this,

962
00:48:19,440 --> 00:48:22,039
then you are just useless at your job. That's the

963
00:48:22,119 --> 00:48:24,880
whole fucking point of coming out of pocket for something

964
00:48:24,920 --> 00:48:26,679
like this is you anticipate big numbers.

965
00:48:27,239 --> 00:48:29,159
Speaker 4: Right, I mean, it's not like they haven't known about

966
00:48:29,199 --> 00:48:29,639
this shit.

967
00:48:29,920 --> 00:48:33,039
Speaker 6: I mean we crashed the servers. Yeah, that's the problem.

968
00:48:33,760 --> 00:48:37,199
That's not the that's not the positive attribute. That is

969
00:48:37,559 --> 00:48:42,440
a negative externality. Right, should not have crashed the servers, right,

970
00:48:43,159 --> 00:48:45,519
Just I could not believe that this was happening, and

971
00:48:45,599 --> 00:48:48,039
I also couldn't believe that they didn't like apologize or anything.

972
00:48:48,039 --> 00:48:50,960
If they did, I didn't see it and heads didn't roll.

973
00:48:51,440 --> 00:48:53,239
I mean, if this happened ten years ago, it would

974
00:48:53,239 --> 00:48:56,320
have set the whole thing back twenty years. Honestly, Like,

975
00:48:56,440 --> 00:48:59,719
if something this big was on streaming before people were

976
00:48:59,800 --> 00:49:03,039
really comfortable with the idea of streaming mostly everything they watch,

977
00:49:04,159 --> 00:49:06,000
like back when only Netflix is really the only thing

978
00:49:06,039 --> 00:49:09,599
you streamed. Live sports would not have happened on streaming

979
00:49:09,639 --> 00:49:11,639
for another decade because because people would have been so

980
00:49:11,880 --> 00:49:14,800
reluctant to spend of course, oh.

981
00:49:14,760 --> 00:49:18,119
Speaker 4: My god, absolutely listen, it would all be a dead thing.

982
00:49:18,440 --> 00:49:21,320
Speaker 6: The audience would drive and fail, and the content producers

983
00:49:21,360 --> 00:49:23,000
would also be like, dude, I'm not gonna I'm not

984
00:49:23,039 --> 00:49:24,639
gonna pull this effort into something that people are just

985
00:49:24,679 --> 00:49:26,599
going to be all pissed off about for things totally

986
00:49:26,639 --> 00:49:29,679
beyond my control, like the technology. Yeah, yeah, you got

987
00:49:29,800 --> 00:49:31,440
to get that right, and if your Netflix, you really

988
00:49:31,480 --> 00:49:33,239
got to get it right. So I don't know, I

989
00:49:33,280 --> 00:49:36,360
mean exactly, because you're the fucking you're the fucking pioneers.

990
00:49:36,440 --> 00:49:38,320
They're paying so much for this stuff. They're paying so

991
00:49:38,440 --> 00:49:41,360
much for raw and what the reason it's worth it

992
00:49:41,480 --> 00:49:44,480
is because they see they see the opportunity to expand

993
00:49:44,519 --> 00:49:47,079
into live, live, sports, live all that, and we all

994
00:49:47,119 --> 00:49:49,719
know the premium ad rates that that can command. But

995
00:49:49,760 --> 00:49:51,400
if you can't get the stream right, Amazon hasn't not

996
00:49:51,440 --> 00:49:55,239
a problem in the NFL. Like, please stop it, stop

997
00:49:55,480 --> 00:49:57,840
making excuses, stop throwing numbers in my face.

998
00:49:58,239 --> 00:49:58,719
Speaker 4: Get it right.

999
00:49:59,320 --> 00:50:01,000
Speaker 6: And I'm not looking ford to sitting here for live

1000
00:50:01,079 --> 00:50:04,760
calls on Netflix in two years and we can't see

1001
00:50:04,800 --> 00:50:06,039
half the show. I'm not looking forward to.

1002
00:50:06,079 --> 00:50:09,920
Speaker 4: That at all. Yeah, I am in a way.

1003
00:50:10,159 --> 00:50:13,199
Speaker 6: Weren't you over my house when they did the first

1004
00:50:13,239 --> 00:50:16,000
Summer Slam on the network where Brock killed John Cena,

1005
00:50:16,079 --> 00:50:16,880
We didn't know what happened.

1006
00:50:16,920 --> 00:50:19,400
Speaker 4: It just like froze, Yes, yeah, yeah, because we did

1007
00:50:19,440 --> 00:50:20,280
a live show after.

1008
00:50:20,119 --> 00:50:22,159
Speaker 6: That froze and by the time this signal came back

1009
00:50:22,199 --> 00:50:23,599
Brock at the belt in the air, we didn't know

1010
00:50:23,599 --> 00:50:24,199
what the fuck appened.

1011
00:50:24,199 --> 00:50:29,000
Speaker 4: Well, let's not forget too that that. Remember the first

1012
00:50:29,079 --> 00:50:33,320
WrestleMania Russemania thirty before we started doing the show, we

1013
00:50:33,440 --> 00:50:36,719
watched it at your house, that's right, And to kind

1014
00:50:36,760 --> 00:50:38,440
of like get an idea, it was like kind of

1015
00:50:38,480 --> 00:50:42,119
a planning session for for a Labs fan about that

1016
00:50:42,239 --> 00:50:44,559
and even that was a disaster.

1017
00:50:44,320 --> 00:50:49,280
Speaker 6: Disaster, and that's twenty fourteen. It was unacceptable then, so

1018
00:50:49,480 --> 00:50:51,719
looking forward to that very much and so join us

1019
00:50:51,800 --> 00:50:54,599
for that. Wait, you know, for us the downside is

1020
00:50:55,039 --> 00:50:58,320
upside Okay, so oh for sure it's a disaster. Then

1021
00:50:58,440 --> 00:51:00,199
just as well go back and listen to when we

1022
00:51:00,320 --> 00:51:03,559
did the Return of the Wars remember that aw verus

1023
00:51:03,599 --> 00:51:06,039
n XT and we were up to like one in

1024
00:51:06,119 --> 00:51:08,280
the morning and it was like, this is not.

1025
00:51:08,639 --> 00:51:11,400
Speaker 4: Crazy, this is not it. This will not be the

1026
00:51:11,519 --> 00:51:14,440
return of the two of the w W F WZW

1027
00:51:14,599 --> 00:51:18,519
going at it and no, no, now, it's about being

1028
00:51:18,599 --> 00:51:23,039
on Just forget it, say no more so.

1029
00:51:23,159 --> 00:51:25,599
Speaker 6: Yeah, premium live calls available to you for your Patreon

1030
00:51:25,679 --> 00:51:27,480
dollar of course, ad free versions of the show. You

1031
00:51:27,559 --> 00:51:30,039
get certain shows a day earlier than anybody else. It's

1032
00:51:30,159 --> 00:51:32,360
it's more than worth it. And the under the Cinemat

1033
00:51:32,440 --> 00:51:35,559
proves that. Russell Mamia for the Mote Tier members.

1034
00:51:35,599 --> 00:51:38,000
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, and if we just had our we just

1035
00:51:38,079 --> 00:51:41,360
had our Survivors series episode.

1036
00:51:41,000 --> 00:51:42,599
Speaker 6: Tell the people what they're missing with they're not plugged

1037
00:51:42,599 --> 00:51:43,480
into the tip top tier.

1038
00:51:43,639 --> 00:51:47,880
Speaker 4: Well you missed. You missed me and my mom watching

1039
00:51:50,360 --> 00:51:57,599
the Four Doinks, the quote unquote four versus Bam Bam, Bigelow,

1040
00:51:57,679 --> 00:52:02,239
Bastion Booger and the Headshrinkers, the ninety Vivor series. That's

1041
00:52:02,280 --> 00:52:02,840
what you missed.

1042
00:52:02,920 --> 00:52:06,239
Speaker 6: And if you're saying that's what I missed sarcastically, then

1043
00:52:06,719 --> 00:52:08,920
say less we get we understand where.

1044
00:52:09,360 --> 00:52:13,599
Speaker 4: Just because if you think that's that's nothing, you don't

1045
00:52:13,639 --> 00:52:22,239
know my mom, all right, because that's that's the key

1046
00:52:22,360 --> 00:52:30,280
there is watching my mom with her innocent, naive eyes

1047
00:52:31,679 --> 00:52:38,199
watching wrestling and you know, getting the kicker is she

1048
00:52:39,000 --> 00:52:40,920
when she gets into it. It's like, you know, we

1049
00:52:41,079 --> 00:52:42,960
we You can watch a couple of matches and I

1050
00:52:43,039 --> 00:52:44,559
always do. I always have a warm up match and

1051
00:52:44,599 --> 00:52:46,559
then we get into it, and by the time the

1052
00:52:46,599 --> 00:52:51,639
second match comes about, she's just you know, lost in it.

1053
00:52:52,519 --> 00:52:54,440
You know, she's lost in the world, like she can't

1054
00:52:56,000 --> 00:52:58,639
She's just what she sees is what's happening.

1055
00:52:58,920 --> 00:53:02,239
Speaker 6: That's so wid Yeah, because people talk about that lot,

1056
00:53:02,280 --> 00:53:04,519
you know, suspension of disbelief and everything in his wrestling fans.

1057
00:53:04,559 --> 00:53:06,800
It's like I never feel like as a hardcore wrestling fan,

1058
00:53:06,880 --> 00:53:08,440
I never really lose sight of the fact that it's

1059
00:53:08,519 --> 00:53:12,079
not real. I feel very like intentional about suspension of disbelief.

1060
00:53:12,280 --> 00:53:14,880
It doesn't often feel like something that happens to me organically,

1061
00:53:15,000 --> 00:53:16,920
but maybe it does. When I look at people like

1062
00:53:17,000 --> 00:53:19,039
your mom and people that do like my parents, I

1063
00:53:19,079 --> 00:53:22,559
can remember like there is something magical about them starting

1064
00:53:22,639 --> 00:53:25,280
the night, like defying and snickering at the whole thing,

1065
00:53:25,639 --> 00:53:27,360
and like all of a sudden, the match hits in there,

1066
00:53:27,559 --> 00:53:30,320
like reacting like this bad guy is an actual bad

1067
00:53:30,360 --> 00:53:31,559
person doing bad things, right.

1068
00:53:31,840 --> 00:53:34,440
Speaker 4: I mean, they're drawn into it. You know, That's that's

1069
00:53:34,480 --> 00:53:37,000
the beauty of wrestling. It's the beauty of really any

1070
00:53:38,079 --> 00:53:41,519
storytelling is when you suck people. It's like, honestly, it's

1071
00:53:41,599 --> 00:53:45,039
no different than reading a book. Yeah, and I'm kind

1072
00:53:45,079 --> 00:53:46,920
of like okay, okay, okay, and then all of a sudden,

1073
00:53:47,440 --> 00:53:50,559
I like get really excited and before I know it,

1074
00:53:50,639 --> 00:53:53,960
I've read thirty pages. I how fck I read thirty pages.

1075
00:53:54,000 --> 00:53:56,760
I can't read thirty pages if I try to. You know,

1076
00:53:56,960 --> 00:54:00,320
it's that kind of thing, that kind of feeling. And

1077
00:54:01,639 --> 00:54:04,920
you know, she listen, you know, we go to their

1078
00:54:04,960 --> 00:54:07,360
house for Thanksgiving. I'm sure we're gonna be watching some wrestling.

1079
00:54:07,039 --> 00:54:09,440
Speaker 6: Aw's taglen has coming to be restored. The feeling Boss,

1080
00:54:09,480 --> 00:54:11,840
I think the feeling is very much restored in the

1081
00:54:11,880 --> 00:54:15,400
Moate tier. I would agree, because we're intentional about it,

1082
00:54:15,440 --> 00:54:17,559
and we won't stop until it's restored, at least in

1083
00:54:17,639 --> 00:54:19,599
our own hearts, which is all that really counts. And

1084
00:54:19,800 --> 00:54:23,880
so upon another American Thanksgiving, we are in the spirit

1085
00:54:24,000 --> 00:54:27,440
of issuing thanks and I can't think of any other

1086
00:54:27,559 --> 00:54:31,360
cohort that we're more thankful for than our Mote tier supporters. These,

1087
00:54:31,519 --> 00:54:33,679
I agree with the people that you know, go above

1088
00:54:33,719 --> 00:54:36,519
and beyond. There's a thing that they always say when

1089
00:54:36,920 --> 00:54:41,519
rich people complain that they're not taxed enough, which doesn't

1090
00:54:41,519 --> 00:54:43,800
happen often, but sometimes happens, you can always come back

1091
00:54:43,880 --> 00:54:46,519
and say, well, you can always pay more taxes than

1092
00:54:46,559 --> 00:54:49,519
you owe. That's an option available to you. And these

1093
00:54:49,559 --> 00:54:51,559
are the people who pay more taxes than they owe

1094
00:54:52,320 --> 00:54:54,239
for the effort that we put in. And so for

1095
00:54:54,360 --> 00:54:56,519
that reason, if nothing else, we need to serenade them

1096
00:54:56,519 --> 00:55:00,519
here upon this Thanksgiving, in celebration of TLFX, we're talking

1097
00:55:00,599 --> 00:55:03,559
about the roster. We're talking about Abel Lettier, We're talking

1098
00:55:03,559 --> 00:55:06,239
about Adam Graver, we're talking about e x three. We're

1099
00:55:06,239 --> 00:55:09,119
talking about Aiden Kivelhan and Alan Smith and Andrew and

1100
00:55:09,159 --> 00:55:11,719
Austin King, Salifer and Blake Downing and Brad and Brandon

1101
00:55:11,760 --> 00:55:14,519
Kaiser and Brendan Mow and Bren Erickson and Brian Blake

1102
00:55:14,599 --> 00:55:17,920
and Brian Hinz and Chris Awesome, Mike Hogan and Chris

1103
00:55:18,000 --> 00:55:22,000
Harris and Christopher Creva and Chuck Piacio and Coldstone, Steve Austin.

1104
00:55:22,280 --> 00:55:25,480
How about Daniel and David Camminster, David Style and Dennis

1105
00:55:25,519 --> 00:55:28,679
and Dominic Carrera, holl Cogen, Intern, Matt James, Irwin, Joe

1106
00:55:29,039 --> 00:55:33,400
de Tolve, John Francis, Justin Davenport, Kevin Mills, Christopher Craig,

1107
00:55:33,519 --> 00:55:37,599
Mark Dapper, Martin Ferguson, Marty Longhurst, Mike Hornicker and Monny

1108
00:55:37,679 --> 00:55:40,440
Davis Junior, Nathan pedro Rios. How about Pete Cosey and

1109
00:55:40,519 --> 00:55:44,239
Peter Rustling. Can't forget Robert Holtzhammer, Ryan balland Sam Fairbanks,

1110
00:55:44,360 --> 00:55:47,840
The Homie, Scott, Michael Ferry, Sean McGerr, Shane, Stephen Laird,

1111
00:55:48,320 --> 00:55:51,480
The sin Man ninety seven, The Pardon Me, The sin

1112
00:55:51,599 --> 00:56:01,639
Hitman ninety seven, toms At Nacio, tom Zach Madrass Zach Geller,

1113
00:56:02,639 --> 00:56:06,039
zvs Choir, the Homie. These are our ride or Dies.

1114
00:56:06,599 --> 00:56:09,239
These are the people that make podcasting worth it, and

1115
00:56:09,360 --> 00:56:11,559
you owe them as much thanks as we do this

1116
00:56:11,719 --> 00:56:14,400
Thanksgiving season for what we've created here at TLF. We

1117
00:56:14,440 --> 00:56:18,599
love all our patrons, but these folks. These folks put

1118
00:56:18,639 --> 00:56:23,239
fifties in the collection plate. Okay, yeah, yeah, they fucking

1119
00:56:23,320 --> 00:56:26,079
know how to nut up. They do quality when they

1120
00:56:26,119 --> 00:56:28,559
see it. They're out there and it's a list. We're like, okay,

1121
00:56:28,760 --> 00:56:30,440
you don't get it. Well, these people, what are you saying?

1122
00:56:30,440 --> 00:56:34,320
All these people are idiots? And in that vein, we

1123
00:56:34,440 --> 00:56:37,079
finally did it. We finally created a T shirt that's

1124
00:56:37,159 --> 00:56:39,639
for the non lapsed fan in your life. Oh yes,

1125
00:56:40,000 --> 00:56:42,480
great suggestion from the Solar System boss jumped on it

1126
00:56:42,599 --> 00:56:46,360
right away. Pro Wrestling Teas dot Com slash the laps Fan,

1127
00:56:46,400 --> 00:56:48,039
which of course is the gallery of all of our

1128
00:56:48,079 --> 00:56:50,880
t shirts available to you. Great holiday gifts for the

1129
00:56:50,960 --> 00:56:53,400
lapsed fan in your life, or to request one as

1130
00:56:53,400 --> 00:56:55,559
a TLF fan from a family member is a great.

1131
00:56:55,400 --> 00:56:59,320
Speaker 4: Move, and I'm sure there'll be some Black Friday sale

1132
00:56:59,320 --> 00:56:59,800
coming up too.

1133
00:57:00,840 --> 00:57:05,960
Speaker 6: They've moved a couple already presenting the lapsed wife line.

1134
00:57:06,119 --> 00:57:10,719
Speaker 4: The lapsed wife. Okay, it's the lapse fan logo, but

1135
00:57:10,960 --> 00:57:16,320
with wife and underneath the quote why are you laughing?

1136
00:57:16,719 --> 00:57:20,000
This isn't funny? And there are two versions of it.

1137
00:57:20,280 --> 00:57:22,480
There are two versions of it. I've got the classic

1138
00:57:23,280 --> 00:57:26,159
red and white on a black T shirt, but I also,

1139
00:57:26,480 --> 00:57:30,400
you know, maybe your wife isn't into wearing a black

1140
00:57:30,480 --> 00:57:33,840
fucking T shirt, right, So there is a pink variation

1141
00:57:34,639 --> 00:57:38,239
with a It's a kind of like a hot pink

1142
00:57:38,360 --> 00:57:44,079
version with a light pink and white logo, so you

1143
00:57:44,159 --> 00:57:46,119
know you can do that. I mean, that's kind of

1144
00:57:46,239 --> 00:57:49,360
very stereotypically feminine. I'm not trying to do that. I'm

1145
00:57:49,440 --> 00:57:53,199
just you know, Unfortunately, I'll just say this, Unfortunately, for

1146
00:57:53,320 --> 00:57:56,320
some reason, Pro Wrestling Tea still doesn't allow us to

1147
00:57:56,480 --> 00:57:58,239
have like a color change.

1148
00:57:59,280 --> 00:57:59,400
Speaker 7: You know.

1149
00:57:59,480 --> 00:58:01,039
Speaker 4: There are a lot of wrestlers and stuff who have

1150
00:58:01,239 --> 00:58:03,079
the option to, like, I can put any of these

1151
00:58:03,159 --> 00:58:06,079
shirts in a different color, you know, and but we

1152
00:58:06,159 --> 00:58:09,079
don't have that option. So I just don't feel like

1153
00:58:09,119 --> 00:58:10,599
I was like, well, I'm gonna do the two easiest

1154
00:58:10,599 --> 00:58:12,599
ones right now. Maybe I'll have more down the line,

1155
00:58:13,039 --> 00:58:17,079
but you know, it just sucks that we don't have

1156
00:58:17,199 --> 00:58:17,760
that option, but.

1157
00:58:17,840 --> 00:58:20,639
Speaker 6: I think the creation of this is proof positive that

1158
00:58:20,719 --> 00:58:23,920
this is. This is a cohort of people. The lapsed

1159
00:58:23,960 --> 00:58:26,119
wife is a thing. There may not be many, Oh

1160
00:58:26,239 --> 00:58:28,159
it is, it is, But like everything on the show,

1161
00:58:28,239 --> 00:58:30,800
it's not about I think there are many of any

1162
00:58:30,840 --> 00:58:34,960
of them. Yeah, yeah, I think so. I think there

1163
00:58:34,960 --> 00:58:38,639
are quite a few who are like, why, yeah, why

1164
00:58:38,679 --> 00:58:40,119
are you doing this with your time? And I think

1165
00:58:40,159 --> 00:58:42,400
it extrapolates. I think it's not just about listeners of

1166
00:58:42,440 --> 00:58:45,559
this particular podcast. It's listen, it's if you do anything

1167
00:58:45,800 --> 00:58:50,440
beyond casually watch wrestling, this is your wife, and especially

1168
00:58:50,559 --> 00:58:52,280
when you come at it for the perspective we do.

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It's just it's part of the pain and shame of

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the process.

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Speaker 4: My wife.

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00:58:55,159 --> 00:58:59,199
Speaker 6: Absolutely, it's not funny. They're sitting there and they're laughing.

1173
00:58:59,280 --> 00:59:00,800
It's not even right.

1174
00:59:01,000 --> 00:59:04,599
Speaker 4: I mean, this is I'll tell you, this is. This

1175
00:59:04,800 --> 00:59:07,639
is the exact it's not hold back here. This this

1176
00:59:07,880 --> 00:59:15,079
shirt is, honestly is the personification of when we've all

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00:59:15,400 --> 00:59:19,360
our families have gotten together and we Jack and I

1178
00:59:19,480 --> 00:59:24,239
start giggling about random, completely bizarre shit, and our wives

1179
00:59:24,360 --> 00:59:27,519
just sit there and are just they don't know what

1180
00:59:27,639 --> 00:59:30,519
to do. With them. So you have to eat. You

1181
00:59:30,639 --> 00:59:32,440
have to know what we're talking about. If if you're

1182
00:59:32,599 --> 00:59:34,920
if you're a married man in particular, you have to

1183
00:59:34,960 --> 00:59:37,519
know what we're talking about here, Like this is this

1184
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is the struggle to somehow retain your wrestling fandom.

1185
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Speaker 1: It's the last fan wrestling podcast, the wrestling podcast that

1186
00:59:57,519 --> 01:00:15,880
knows the boys need their candy. It's the Lapsed Fans,

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01:00:15,960 --> 01:00:20,960
the Lapsed fan Wrestling podcast with Jack and and JP Soro.

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Speaker 4: I mean, think about the times that on the show

1189
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that Jack and I have done the kind of wordplay

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01:00:25,599 --> 01:00:28,880
ship that we do, you know, you know, and it's

1191
01:00:28,920 --> 01:00:30,519
like back and forth, but we do that, you know,

1192
01:00:31,480 --> 01:00:34,639
in person with people around you know, who wants to

1193
01:00:34,679 --> 01:00:35,159
be around that.

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Speaker 6: It's so true, Well we know it, we acknowledge it.

1195
01:00:38,039 --> 01:00:39,559
Speaker 4: To be around that when when the two of us

1196
01:00:39,599 --> 01:00:40,800
are just busy entertaining our.

1197
01:00:40,760 --> 01:00:42,079
Speaker 6: So you have to know, Like if you're in the

1198
01:00:42,119 --> 01:00:44,000
grocery store and someone what are you laughing at? And

1199
01:00:44,119 --> 01:00:46,519
you can't even tell them, you can't you don't know

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01:00:46,559 --> 01:00:48,280
what the first word to say is. That's what this

1201
01:00:48,440 --> 01:00:48,840
is about.

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01:00:49,599 --> 01:00:52,840
Speaker 4: Listen. And I've told this too. I've been in that position. Absolutely,

1203
01:00:53,400 --> 01:00:55,679
I've been in that position listening to art it's your show.

1204
01:00:56,280 --> 01:00:58,679
I was listening to the fucking I was listening to

1205
01:00:58,920 --> 01:01:06,400
to uh R A w A shows and I something

1206
01:01:06,480 --> 01:01:09,480
we did just had me going. I was at a gym.

1207
01:01:09,960 --> 01:01:11,599
It was the classic thing. I was at the gym.

1208
01:01:12,280 --> 01:01:14,960
I was trying to do one of those you ever

1209
01:01:15,000 --> 01:01:17,119
see that, You know, you get those those half balls

1210
01:01:18,559 --> 01:01:20,320
and they're like soft on top, but it's got a

1211
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base at the bottom. Sometimes you flip them over you

1212
01:01:22,639 --> 01:01:25,239
try to balance yourself. Yeah. I was trying to do

1213
01:01:25,320 --> 01:01:32,760
that all right, and do squats okay. And I was

1214
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doing this one. I was doing Evil Dead. This is

1215
01:01:34,199 --> 01:01:37,400
years ago now, and and young woman who is next

1216
01:01:37,440 --> 01:01:39,639
to me and she's in the show, and all of

1217
01:01:39,679 --> 01:01:41,800
a sudden she sees me almost fall off the fucking

1218
01:01:42,760 --> 01:01:45,519
thing because I'm laughing so hard, and she says, oh

1219
01:01:45,599 --> 01:01:48,159
my god, what are you listening to? And I'm like, oh,

1220
01:01:48,719 --> 01:01:51,280
it's nothing, Oh my god. Do you imagine it's certainly

1221
01:01:51,360 --> 01:01:52,000
not my own show.

1222
01:01:57,880 --> 01:02:02,679
Speaker 6: That's funny, it's certainly not my own show. Look, we

1223
01:02:02,800 --> 01:02:05,400
get it, we get what we're doing to you, and

1224
01:02:05,480 --> 01:02:08,000
this shirt is a recognition of that. We've met so

1225
01:02:08,079 --> 01:02:10,719
many great laps girlfriends and wives over the years, and

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boyfriends and husbands.

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Speaker 4: And they're supporters. I'm not saying that that every everyone

1228
01:02:14,760 --> 01:02:16,119
is like that, they're supporters.

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Speaker 6: But it's just we know, we understand, man, we we

1230
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we have to somehow pour our heart into the show

1231
01:02:22,800 --> 01:02:25,639
and then pretend that we don't ever work on it

1232
01:02:25,719 --> 01:02:26,000
at all.

1233
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Speaker 4: I'll tell you what to whoever. If anybody is getting

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this for their wife for Christmas, please give me an

1235
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audio recording, all right, Please get an.

1236
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Speaker 6: Audio promise that there's a promise if they're company to

1237
01:02:45,000 --> 01:02:45,239
hear that.

1238
01:02:45,280 --> 01:02:48,599
Speaker 4: I need to hear. I need to hear the disappointment.

1239
01:02:50,880 --> 01:02:51,519
That's what I need.

1240
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Speaker 6: What is you don't you don't expect me to wear this?

1241
01:02:55,199 --> 01:02:55,400
Speaker 7: Do you?

1242
01:02:56,760 --> 01:02:57,599
Speaker 4: Why did you give me this?

1243
01:02:58,519 --> 01:03:06,079
Speaker 6: Put that question right under the other too. Seriously, it's

1244
01:03:06,079 --> 01:03:08,679
a it's a problem, boss, it is. We've been doing

1245
01:03:08,719 --> 01:03:10,920
it long enough that we're like full grown adults.

1246
01:03:10,960 --> 01:03:11,079
Speaker 7: Now.

1247
01:03:11,119 --> 01:03:15,800
Speaker 6: There's no excuse anymore like it is now one pathetic Yeah.

1248
01:03:15,679 --> 01:03:22,800
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, I'm you know, forty three years old, and

1249
01:03:23,159 --> 01:03:26,960
I'm talking about trying to doing impressions of Randy Savage,

1250
01:03:27,000 --> 01:03:31,559
trying to get his fucking dick hard. It's normal behavior.

1251
01:03:32,000 --> 01:03:33,840
Speaker 6: Doing body slam to with your toys.

1252
01:03:34,400 --> 01:03:35,960
Speaker 4: My toys as I'm yeah, exactly.

1253
01:03:39,199 --> 01:03:40,519
Speaker 6: I don't know what to tell you other than we're

1254
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all on this boat together and we can either sink

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or swim together, but there's no third choice and progressingts

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dot Com Slash the lapse Fano.

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Speaker 4: Also, we get some new some new SID line shirts up.

1258
01:03:54,119 --> 01:03:57,679
We talked about the it's up now the I'm either

1259
01:03:57,719 --> 01:04:00,599
eating waffles or I'm eating your face shirt is off.

1260
01:04:01,639 --> 01:04:03,559
Speaker 6: Said Line. I wonder if JR were called the SID

1261
01:04:03,639 --> 01:04:04,119
clothes line.

1262
01:04:04,159 --> 01:04:10,800
Speaker 4: That We've got the Udi Mania shirt, which is Paulcomania style,

1263
01:04:10,880 --> 01:04:13,239
but instead of red and yellow, it's blue and white.

1264
01:04:13,280 --> 01:04:15,840
Speaker 6: It's really sharp. I like it a lot, and it's

1265
01:04:15,880 --> 01:04:17,960
what basically Vince promised him in ninety one.

1266
01:04:18,000 --> 01:04:22,239
Speaker 4: Right exactly. And then we've got the Santa Monica said,

1267
01:04:24,079 --> 01:04:28,360
Santa Monica said shirt, which and I added to on

1268
01:04:28,440 --> 01:04:37,639
the bottom, I put the the sw R an s

1269
01:04:37,800 --> 01:04:41,159
w R logo, which is the SID World Ruler.

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01:04:43,199 --> 01:04:43,320
Speaker 10: Uh.

1271
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Speaker 4: I guess that is what I just decided to call it.

1272
01:04:45,800 --> 01:04:47,599
And the World's Rule Monica said.

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Speaker 6: The new World Ruler, right, it's what he is.

1274
01:04:50,280 --> 01:04:51,559
Speaker 4: Well, he's the SID World Ruler.

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Speaker 6: He is and so wr the Vienna's shirts up there

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01:04:55,480 --> 01:04:57,800
for your consumption and so much.

1277
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Speaker 4: We also got the the Church softball team, yes all

1278
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the shells. I mean, if you want to go way

1279
01:05:05,159 --> 01:05:07,639
back to we do have sid softball squad too, which

1280
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was sponsored by Michler's Deli and Sterling Golden Pharmaceuticals. And

1281
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I am V SMA. You gotta take it. I guess

1282
01:05:21,239 --> 01:05:23,440
you gotta take it. It was you gotta. I don't

1283
01:05:23,440 --> 01:05:25,199
remember what we had for a slogan for that one,

1284
01:05:26,840 --> 01:05:29,599
but yeah, the I am I am V SMA.

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Speaker 6: And of course for some premium.

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Speaker 11: Oh.

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01:05:33,679 --> 01:05:35,079
Speaker 6: I was wondering if you had it. I didn't want

1288
01:05:35,079 --> 01:05:35,960
to call for it because I don't know.

1289
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Speaker 7: It was.

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Speaker 6: Excellent, excellent. A long time listeners will know the story.

1291
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But yeah, and if you're looking to dial up your

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apparel game, you know, beyond just a T shirt, which

1293
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you know we appreciate, uh, the Homie Dicky over Chopped

1294
01:05:50,440 --> 01:05:53,000
Teas and the lapsed fan store it Chopped Teas. You

1295
01:05:53,159 --> 01:05:56,079
just google that little puppy to find that one. Just

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amazing stuff. High end merchandise, hoodies, hats, jackets, fanny packs, pants,

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all kinds of of schwag. That's like serious, like legit,

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like high end stuff, and just truly flattered by the effort.

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Dickeye is put in on our behalf and on behalf

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of others in the space, and we tip our cap

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to him for being as entrepreneurial as he's been. It's

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been really nice to be beneficiaries of his hustle in

1303
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his ingenuity. So reward that.

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Speaker 4: I'm waiting. I'm waiting for, you know, the right moment,

1305
01:06:31,760 --> 01:06:39,519
the right opportunity to where that lapse the varsity jacket.

1306
01:06:40,199 --> 01:06:41,679
Speaker 6: It's a tough call, it is.

1307
01:06:41,800 --> 01:06:44,519
Speaker 4: I mean, it's gotta be the right fucking moment, and

1308
01:06:44,559 --> 01:06:46,480
the weather has to be right. I mean, forget most

1309
01:06:46,480 --> 01:06:47,320
summer months.

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Speaker 7: You know.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I mean it's not going to be the summertime, I.

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Speaker 6: Know, let's put it that way. It's a heavy piece,

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it's a well made piece.

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Speaker 4: I was blown away with. It's a beautiful, beautiful jacket.

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Speaker 6: So all of that and more available to you. I'm

1316
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actually not sure if the jacket's there anymore. He's running

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out of lot size and certain sizes I read, but

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Speaker 4: Oh? Yes you did? Okay, well, you're talking about Titans

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and I immediately picked up. Well, I don't want to

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Speaker 6: Come on, it is? What's the connection there?

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Speaker 8: Ed? No?

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Speaker 4: Uh, get my house. We can get my house. Brother,

1364
01:09:30,600 --> 01:09:33,000
we're talking about pain to get my house. Dude, who's

1365
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paying to get in my house?

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Speaker 6: You've been having stuff shipped to your supplements for years,

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Terry Brother.

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Speaker 4: Who's paying to get into my house? That's what I'm

1369
01:09:40,760 --> 01:09:43,760
talking about, dude, someone's paying to get into my house.

1370
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The fans of the World Wrestling Federation What Nope, I

1371
01:09:56,800 --> 01:10:02,199
understand something, dude. Yeah, which fans are you talking about?

1372
01:10:03,000 --> 01:10:03,800
Speaker 6: Ceiling fans?

1373
01:10:06,720 --> 01:10:08,760
Speaker 4: Well, first of all, I don't have any ceiling fans. Dude,

1374
01:10:09,199 --> 01:10:10,840
No way am I putting something above my head?

1375
01:10:10,960 --> 01:10:13,119
Speaker 6: Well, all right, fine, that that stand up fan you

1376
01:10:13,199 --> 01:10:13,680
have behind you?

1377
01:10:14,079 --> 01:10:18,560
Speaker 4: What brother, you're seeing as a fan in my house

1378
01:10:18,880 --> 01:10:19,960
standing behind me? Dude?

1379
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Speaker 6: Yeah, you didn't put it there.

1380
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Speaker 4: Brother. I have my doors locked. There's no way a

1381
01:10:27,680 --> 01:10:28,560
god can get in my house.

1382
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Speaker 6: Dude, I said a fan, Terry fan.

1383
01:10:30,680 --> 01:10:34,520
Speaker 4: I know, brother, a fan, a whok maniac? Dude, Did

1384
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you what.

1385
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Speaker 7: I do?

1386
01:10:39,840 --> 01:10:41,479
Speaker 6: I do kind of want to know what would happen

1387
01:10:41,520 --> 01:10:43,359
if you go to a whole cogaan autograph signing and

1388
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you get to the table and you just look at

1389
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him and go, did you.

1390
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Speaker 4: I wonder what he would do? Honestly, don't know, I.

1391
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Speaker 6: Don't think what he would do would be too far

1392
01:10:53,279 --> 01:10:57,760
away from what we're suggesting. He would look at you,

1393
01:10:57,920 --> 01:10:59,800
for sure and wait for you to say something. He'd

1394
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be on guard just a bit.

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Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah, he would definitely know that something was up,

1396
01:11:04,279 --> 01:11:06,439
and that he definitely know that it's like, oh shit,

1397
01:11:06,439 --> 01:11:09,079
all right, I gotta get defenses going on here. You know,

1398
01:11:09,279 --> 01:11:11,119
you just look at him like a fucking battleship.

1399
01:11:11,159 --> 01:11:11,319
Speaker 8: You know.

1400
01:11:11,439 --> 01:11:14,680
Speaker 4: It's like all you know, everyone's getting behind their guns

1401
01:11:15,159 --> 01:11:16,119
and their wide glides.

1402
01:11:16,800 --> 01:11:18,760
Speaker 6: Yeah, white glides. She look at him like, wait, did

1403
01:11:18,800 --> 01:11:22,239
you wait? And you start backing up with your unsigned

1404
01:11:22,279 --> 01:11:24,640
eight by ten. You start backing up like wa, and

1405
01:11:24,720 --> 01:11:26,640
you just like run out of the out of the store.

1406
01:11:29,479 --> 01:11:30,600
I'd love to see what you do.

1407
01:11:30,680 --> 01:11:30,800
Speaker 10: Then.

1408
01:11:30,920 --> 01:11:35,800
Speaker 6: Yeah, he would definitely have someone check around, sweep the sweep,

1409
01:11:36,439 --> 01:11:41,079
you know. But yeah, that's that's Those are things that

1410
01:11:41,359 --> 01:11:44,960
only left the imagination. But we're thankful for everybody who

1411
01:11:45,880 --> 01:11:48,199
patronizes us this way, no excuses. If you're looking to

1412
01:11:48,239 --> 01:11:50,399
get in shape, you can do it in a TLF

1413
01:11:50,479 --> 01:11:54,000
approved way with our friends at Titan Nutrition. That's a

1414
01:11:54,039 --> 01:11:57,880
TLF approved w h e Y by the way. Oh yes,

1415
01:11:58,600 --> 01:12:00,720
so a lot of that business commenced with let's get

1416
01:12:00,760 --> 01:12:05,239
back to someone who once played Santa. It's Goldberg and

1417
01:12:09,680 --> 01:12:13,479
why goldberg feud versus Sid is now firmly underway in

1418
01:12:13,600 --> 01:12:18,359
World Championship Wrestling, and the gamesmanship has begun, and there's

1419
01:12:18,399 --> 01:12:21,680
a famous episode. Have you ever seen the clip of

1420
01:12:21,840 --> 01:12:25,479
Sid standing on a pancaked vehicle, bouncing up and down

1421
01:12:25,560 --> 01:12:32,600
on its remnants. Excuse me what, It's not enough that

1422
01:12:32,680 --> 01:12:34,880
these two giants are going to collide. It's not enough

1423
01:12:34,920 --> 01:12:37,119
that they've built up an entirely fictitious wind streak for

1424
01:12:37,199 --> 01:12:40,119
Sid to rival Goldberg's. It's not enough that Goldberg's been

1425
01:12:40,159 --> 01:12:41,359
on the shelf and kind of a way I'm going

1426
01:12:41,399 --> 01:12:43,640
to make a big impactful return to finally challenge Sid

1427
01:12:43,960 --> 01:12:46,680
to the ultimate colossal showdown. We also have to sprinkle

1428
01:12:46,720 --> 01:12:51,600
in the suggestion that Goldberg is, let's say, sabotaging Sid's

1429
01:12:51,640 --> 01:12:55,000
motor vehicles in the parking lot of WCW events, and

1430
01:12:55,119 --> 01:12:57,600
one time, at the conclusion of an episode of Nitro,

1431
01:12:57,800 --> 01:13:01,239
Sid makes his way out into the parking lot and

1432
01:13:01,960 --> 01:13:04,960
finds his car flattened to the point that it's basically

1433
01:13:05,000 --> 01:13:08,920
as low as his ankles to the cement just completely compacted,

1434
01:13:08,960 --> 01:13:12,079
as if you know, put through a trash compactor, and

1435
01:13:12,199 --> 01:13:14,800
he thinks it's Goldberg. And that's not what's important. What's

1436
01:13:14,800 --> 01:13:17,960
important is the way in which Sid expresses his frustration,

1437
01:13:18,119 --> 01:13:22,000
his revulsion at having been victimized like this, long may

1438
01:13:22,079 --> 01:13:24,039
it go down in Sid Hall of fame moments.

1439
01:13:27,760 --> 01:13:40,039
Speaker 12: Oh my god, goad woad bad go ba.

1440
01:13:45,279 --> 01:13:48,039
Speaker 6: Do you see what I mean? Dey Han said a

1441
01:13:48,159 --> 01:13:50,479
script where he's supposed to act like somebody who is

1442
01:13:51,000 --> 01:13:53,319
beside himself had his vehicle being destroyed.

1443
01:13:53,760 --> 01:13:56,479
Speaker 4: Well, okay, can I tell you My favorite part is

1444
01:13:57,680 --> 01:14:02,000
him saying Goldberg, where are you? Because I'm like, well,

1445
01:14:02,119 --> 01:14:04,640
it's like I love the if something like that happened

1446
01:14:04,640 --> 01:14:09,600
and you thought it was somebody, you'd run after them, right,

1447
01:14:09,760 --> 01:14:12,119
You wouldn't sit there and ask them where they are

1448
01:14:12,399 --> 01:14:13,920
and scream where they are?

1449
01:14:14,039 --> 01:14:14,720
Speaker 3: Where are you?

1450
01:14:15,399 --> 01:14:17,479
Speaker 6: He's screaming like he's looking for a dog that escaped

1451
01:14:17,520 --> 01:14:20,479
the house. He really is, I said, he doesn't want

1452
01:14:20,479 --> 01:14:23,800
to be found. That's the whole point of this operation.

1453
01:14:24,880 --> 01:14:25,680
Speaker 4: I don't care.

1454
01:14:26,920 --> 01:14:27,720
Speaker 13: Go bad?

1455
01:14:28,560 --> 01:14:30,000
Speaker 6: Can you a mood bad?

1456
01:14:31,520 --> 01:14:33,279
Speaker 14: Where you speak up?

1457
01:14:35,239 --> 01:14:35,600
Speaker 2: Damn it?

1458
01:14:38,479 --> 01:14:39,680
Speaker 4: Oh my god?

1459
01:14:40,399 --> 01:14:43,079
Speaker 15: What go bad?

1460
01:14:43,920 --> 01:14:46,840
Speaker 14: Whow bad.

1461
01:14:48,319 --> 01:14:48,600
Speaker 13: Bad?

1462
01:14:49,720 --> 01:14:50,840
Speaker 8: Go bad.

1463
01:14:54,159 --> 01:14:55,560
Speaker 6: I can't, Guy, I can't.

1464
01:14:56,079 --> 01:14:57,720
Speaker 4: I mean, what the fuck?

1465
01:14:58,279 --> 01:15:00,680
Speaker 6: This is the September twenty seventh night, ten ninety nine,

1466
01:15:00,760 --> 01:15:04,520
nitro So still the bishoff kind of like you know

1467
01:15:04,720 --> 01:15:11,600
Sullivan precursor to Russo's arrival, Nash kind of dusty. Yes,

1468
01:15:11,720 --> 01:15:16,680
it's like an amalgamation of various failed prior to regimes

1469
01:15:17,399 --> 01:15:20,359
And this is just the direction they thought they needed

1470
01:15:20,399 --> 01:15:23,039
to go to build up Goldberg versus Sid first time.

1471
01:15:23,479 --> 01:15:24,199
Speaker 7: Like what the.

1472
01:15:25,880 --> 01:15:30,199
Speaker 4: Like does anyone ever scream like that when they find

1473
01:15:30,239 --> 01:15:32,800
their car and there's damage to it, You have to know,

1474
01:15:33,159 --> 01:15:34,079
squashed and stuff.

1475
01:15:34,119 --> 01:15:36,359
Speaker 6: But if you have to know, if you hand Sid

1476
01:15:36,479 --> 01:15:40,000
material like this, he's gonna turn it into a complete mockery. Like, yes,

1477
01:15:40,680 --> 01:15:44,920
you don't give Sid a role like this. I just

1478
01:15:45,520 --> 01:15:47,920
I adore it. I adore it in everything receivable way.

1479
01:15:48,239 --> 01:15:50,840
Speaker 4: I mean it is. It is easily one of the

1480
01:15:50,920 --> 01:15:52,199
fucking funniest things I've ever heard.

1481
01:15:56,079 --> 01:15:59,319
Speaker 14: Oh my god, what car?

1482
01:16:00,119 --> 01:16:01,000
Speaker 2: Go bad.

1483
01:16:03,279 --> 01:16:07,359
Speaker 7: Go go?

1484
01:16:10,439 --> 01:16:13,479
Speaker 4: Oh my god, what happened to my car?

1485
01:16:13,840 --> 01:16:16,159
Speaker 6: In case you know the audience didn't get it that

1486
01:16:16,279 --> 01:16:17,560
something happened to Goldberg?

1487
01:16:18,680 --> 01:16:25,119
Speaker 4: Where are you Goldberg? Goldberg? Goldberg?

1488
01:16:25,520 --> 01:16:27,439
Speaker 6: I mean usually you just put like a prayer on

1489
01:16:27,800 --> 01:16:31,479
the funeral booklet. But for Sid, I guess that quote

1490
01:16:31,520 --> 01:16:34,439
will do. It's in like that cursive.

1491
01:16:34,119 --> 01:16:35,880
Speaker 4: Writing on the back exactly exactly.

1492
01:16:36,680 --> 01:16:39,840
Speaker 6: Oh man, So it's it's it's just as absurd as

1493
01:16:39,840 --> 01:16:41,479
you would expect it to be. It's just as full

1494
01:16:41,520 --> 01:16:43,960
of unnecessary twists and turns as you'd expect it to be.

1495
01:16:44,159 --> 01:16:46,520
But here's the kicker. By the time they finally get

1496
01:16:46,600 --> 01:16:48,800
to the match. By the time they finally get to

1497
01:16:48,880 --> 01:16:52,479
Halloween Havoc nineteen ninety nine, Russo and Ferrara have taken over.

1498
01:16:53,279 --> 01:16:56,000
They took over basically right before this show. And this was,

1499
01:16:56,119 --> 01:16:58,640
for all intents and purposes, the first w W pay

1500
01:16:58,640 --> 01:17:00,439
per view they booked. Now, they didn't say the card

1501
01:17:00,479 --> 01:17:03,439
out because the card had been pretty much established before

1502
01:17:03,479 --> 01:17:05,600
their arrival. But when it came time to figuring out

1503
01:17:05,600 --> 01:17:08,279
how it would play out and finishes and stuff, that's okay.

1504
01:17:08,359 --> 01:17:10,199
Look no further than the fact that when Hogan gets

1505
01:17:10,199 --> 01:17:11,960
in the ring with Sting, he lays down and takes

1506
01:17:12,000 --> 01:17:15,800
the fall for Sting and walks away. My favorite thing

1507
01:17:15,840 --> 01:17:17,319
to point out when people act like Bash at the

1508
01:17:17,319 --> 01:17:19,239
Beach two thousand was like this thing that had never

1509
01:17:19,319 --> 01:17:22,520
been conceived of before and wrestling when Russo already did

1510
01:17:22,560 --> 01:17:26,520
it in October of the year before, to Hogan to

1511
01:17:26,560 --> 01:17:27,760
figure out a way to get him out of the

1512
01:17:27,800 --> 01:17:30,239
picture for a little while. And so it's going to

1513
01:17:30,279 --> 01:17:34,720
get really, really silly because now you have Russo and

1514
01:17:34,800 --> 01:17:37,920
Ferrara with the reins and they're not they're not booking

1515
01:17:38,000 --> 01:17:40,520
to matches they created. They're having to work backwards and

1516
01:17:40,600 --> 01:17:44,239
find ways to spice up the presentation of what is

1517
01:17:44,279 --> 01:17:48,079
being handed them. And there's a famous nitro. I know

1518
01:17:48,159 --> 01:17:50,880
we've talked about it before. We may have even doved.

1519
01:17:51,239 --> 01:17:53,840
Do you remember the nitro where Kevin Nash comes out

1520
01:17:53,880 --> 01:17:54,640
in a SID mask?

1521
01:17:56,159 --> 01:17:58,000
Speaker 4: No, No, I wasn't watching.

1522
01:17:58,119 --> 01:17:59,960
Speaker 6: I think we did the nitro where he came out

1523
01:18:00,479 --> 01:18:03,640
and imitated Vince McMahon. I'm pretty sure we did that one, right,

1524
01:18:03,680 --> 01:18:04,159
You remember that?

1525
01:18:04,720 --> 01:18:06,479
Speaker 4: Yeah, that horrifying mask. Right.

1526
01:18:06,680 --> 01:18:09,119
Speaker 6: So this is in a similar vein he's wearing basically

1527
01:18:09,159 --> 01:18:10,439
a Sid Halloween mask.

1528
01:18:11,079 --> 01:18:13,399
Speaker 4: What like, why does he do this? This is the

1529
01:18:13,479 --> 01:18:15,439
third time at least that I know of, that he's

1530
01:18:15,479 --> 01:18:15,760
done this.

1531
01:18:17,199 --> 01:18:19,319
Speaker 6: Dres up his arn Anderson, Yeah, because he thinks he's

1532
01:18:19,319 --> 01:18:22,800
good at imitating other people. He doesn't even do their

1533
01:18:22,880 --> 01:18:24,840
voices though. No, he's not good at it at all.

1534
01:18:25,520 --> 01:18:28,239
But he's mister you know, every he has every Everyone

1535
01:18:28,359 --> 01:18:30,840
laughs at his stuff backstage because they're afraid to cross him,

1536
01:18:30,880 --> 01:18:33,880
you know, And so he misinterprets that is how hilarious

1537
01:18:33,880 --> 01:18:36,000
would it be. It's not unlike Triple H doing the

1538
01:18:36,079 --> 01:18:37,239
Rock as the Nation, remember that?

1539
01:18:37,880 --> 01:18:42,399
Speaker 4: Yeah he did it once? Yeah, I sure did, right.

1540
01:18:42,479 --> 01:18:44,760
I mean that's the difference is that Nation is done

1541
01:18:45,119 --> 01:18:47,000
at least thrice here, and he would do it way

1542
01:18:47,039 --> 01:18:51,359
more if allowed to. So there's this segment with the outsiders,

1543
01:18:51,560 --> 01:18:54,479
who you know, Russo had a hankering for booking, is

1544
01:18:54,600 --> 01:18:57,079
like backstage troublemakers in those early night tros. That's the

1545
01:18:57,119 --> 01:18:59,520
best way I can put it right. And you know

1546
01:18:59,560 --> 01:19:02,760
they weren't rely wrestling. They were just like making sardonic

1547
01:19:02,840 --> 01:19:06,199
comments and creating chaos and disorder. And they were in

1548
01:19:06,279 --> 01:19:09,960
the ring and Sid comes out, pardon me, Nash comes

1549
01:19:10,000 --> 01:19:12,279
out with the Sid mask on. Haul is in the

1550
01:19:12,359 --> 01:19:17,199
ring with him, and Nash starts carrying on as Sid

1551
01:19:17,319 --> 01:19:19,680
and making fun of him and things like that, and

1552
01:19:19,760 --> 01:19:25,279
then Sid comes out and delivers canon, absolute canon. I'm

1553
01:19:25,319 --> 01:19:28,600
not talking cannon fodder like EXPLOSIVESM so c A N

1554
01:19:28,680 --> 01:19:33,039
O N. Okay, this is as Sid as anything will

1555
01:19:33,079 --> 01:19:36,119
play for you throughout the entirety of this look at

1556
01:19:36,159 --> 01:19:37,159
his life and times.

1557
01:19:45,680 --> 01:19:45,880
Speaker 7: Here.

1558
01:19:47,399 --> 01:19:49,840
Speaker 6: Yeah, the.

1559
01:19:55,279 --> 01:20:01,079
Speaker 16: Outsiders got a little message for Big Si in Vicious.

1560
01:20:04,680 --> 01:20:11,640
Speaker 14: Said, you're as dumb as your look, and I've got.

1561
01:20:11,560 --> 01:20:13,920
Speaker 4: The bruise right now.

1562
01:20:23,800 --> 01:20:25,880
Speaker 6: So Mass is making the said face and shaking his

1563
01:20:26,000 --> 01:20:27,760
head using a dun hon humble.

1564
01:20:32,199 --> 01:20:36,399
Speaker 10: I am the ruler, I'm the worm.

1565
01:20:38,119 --> 01:20:44,479
Speaker 4: He does a great said voice, doesn't he, And.

1566
01:20:44,600 --> 01:20:45,319
Speaker 3: It off for you.

1567
01:20:45,600 --> 01:20:50,359
Speaker 12: Come and look at the same time, Hoppy the US champion.

1568
01:20:51,279 --> 01:20:56,399
Speaker 15: Right now they're making sit up to be an idiot.

1569
01:20:56,560 --> 01:20:58,319
Speaker 7: You know that, so.

1570
01:21:00,279 --> 01:21:00,800
Speaker 15: So one.

1571
01:21:01,039 --> 01:21:02,399
Speaker 14: I'm a little slow.

1572
01:21:02,640 --> 01:21:10,159
Speaker 4: See that, but I do now there's not wrong.

1573
01:21:10,319 --> 01:21:11,079
Speaker 6: It's great stuff.

1574
01:21:17,279 --> 01:21:25,039
Speaker 2: And I might look like a complete jackass, and I

1575
01:21:25,279 --> 01:21:28,319
might have the mind and brain of the fume.

1576
01:21:32,039 --> 01:21:35,079
Speaker 3: Im No, hold.

1577
01:21:37,359 --> 01:21:40,720
Speaker 6: Okay, people love it.

1578
01:21:41,680 --> 01:21:45,119
Speaker 17: Yeah, I can tell now you might be able to

1579
01:21:45,159 --> 01:21:49,359
outsmark me and out thank me. And yeah I probably

1580
01:21:49,479 --> 01:21:59,359
can't get a complete make no bones about it though, Iam.

1581
01:22:06,560 --> 01:22:08,439
Speaker 4: That that one was good.

1582
01:22:09,319 --> 01:22:10,880
Speaker 6: So he's playing on the idea that that's all Sid

1583
01:22:10,960 --> 01:22:11,520
really says.

1584
01:22:11,600 --> 01:22:17,760
Speaker 14: He is coup better fact, I'm just a complete idiot.

1585
01:22:20,239 --> 01:22:24,239
Speaker 6: I apologize. This is his music on Peacock. I hate

1586
01:22:24,319 --> 01:22:29,960
it's so far, especially when he considers doudy seventy music

1587
01:22:30,119 --> 01:22:32,039
in this Rubb's actually kind of badass.

1588
01:22:32,439 --> 01:22:34,439
Speaker 4: Yeah, loses w W NK music.

1589
01:22:34,520 --> 01:22:37,039
Speaker 14: You're talking about that you can just push your man

1590
01:22:37,159 --> 01:22:38,359
his side so far.

1591
01:22:40,159 --> 01:22:45,640
Speaker 4: Listen to what the man says. See you've suit me.

1592
01:22:47,399 --> 01:22:50,319
Speaker 14: You're taking like, don't make it look like a jackass.

1593
01:22:59,039 --> 01:23:00,279
He knows, sup.

1594
01:23:00,479 --> 01:23:06,239
Speaker 12: Tonight say gash just to wear any hallween costume you

1595
01:23:06,479 --> 01:23:06,920
want to.

1596
01:23:08,000 --> 01:23:11,319
Speaker 14: But you know what, I know that you only half

1597
01:23:11,399 --> 01:23:12,439
the man that I am.

1598
01:23:15,560 --> 01:23:16,920
Speaker 4: Get ready for it, and.

1599
01:23:17,039 --> 01:23:18,920
Speaker 14: I have half the brain.

1600
01:23:19,279 --> 01:23:25,560
Speaker 4: Continue you have to weave.

1601
01:23:27,359 --> 01:23:29,560
Speaker 14: You're trying to make me look like a jackass.

1602
01:23:30,520 --> 01:23:35,119
Speaker 12: Spread it stops tonight or for you home the road

1603
01:23:35,600 --> 01:23:36,359
to Dunc.

1604
01:23:36,600 --> 01:23:39,800
Speaker 14: Don to have you wait Campanship of.

1605
01:23:39,960 --> 01:23:40,800
Speaker 12: The world.

1606
01:23:45,279 --> 01:23:45,760
Speaker 6: Tonight.

1607
01:23:50,520 --> 01:23:50,960
Speaker 4: I mean.

1608
01:23:57,880 --> 01:24:00,840
Speaker 6: I only you have to and that I am the

1609
01:24:00,960 --> 01:24:03,520
brain you do, and I have half the brain that

1610
01:24:03,640 --> 01:24:12,800
you do. What I don't know. I just thought you

1611
01:24:12,880 --> 01:24:13,840
might have some thoughts.

1612
01:24:13,600 --> 01:24:18,119
Speaker 4: On it seems like a normal thing, not a GAF.

1613
01:24:18,720 --> 01:24:22,000
He's not wrong now if there's not say anything inaccurate.

1614
01:24:22,359 --> 01:24:25,039
Speaker 6: If you have to see Scott Hall's face when he

1615
01:24:25,079 --> 01:24:26,880
says this, because they cut back to Whim. He turns

1616
01:24:26,920 --> 01:24:28,840
to Nash and like kind of covers his mouth, like

1617
01:24:28,920 --> 01:24:31,319
I believe he just said that Nash is under the

1618
01:24:31,359 --> 01:24:34,199
mask so he can hide it well enough, and Sid,

1619
01:24:34,279 --> 01:24:36,319
you can tell, kind of catches himself. But it's too late.

1620
01:24:37,560 --> 01:24:40,560
Speaker 4: Now, why what was he? So? Here's the thing is

1621
01:24:40,680 --> 01:24:42,800
I don't understand though. Okay, so now I'm thinking about it.

1622
01:24:43,479 --> 01:24:45,800
So he says that you're half the man that I am,

1623
01:24:46,680 --> 01:24:49,039
and I have half the brain that you do. What

1624
01:24:49,279 --> 01:24:50,439
was he supposed to say?

1625
01:24:50,880 --> 01:24:51,840
Speaker 6: Right, that's the question.

1626
01:24:53,319 --> 01:24:54,600
Speaker 4: What was he trying to say?

1627
01:24:55,479 --> 01:24:57,439
Speaker 6: I mean, I guess half the brain that I have.

1628
01:24:59,079 --> 01:25:03,600
You're saying, and I twice you have. You're half the

1629
01:25:03,680 --> 01:25:05,560
man that I am, and I have twice the brains

1630
01:25:05,600 --> 01:25:07,159
that you do. Maybe, he said, he maybe that's what

1631
01:25:07,159 --> 01:25:10,079
are you supposed to do? Yeah, twice the brains.

1632
01:25:09,760 --> 01:25:11,159
Speaker 4: That you do? Right?

1633
01:25:11,199 --> 01:25:12,640
Speaker 6: Of course he says it that way too. It's just

1634
01:25:12,720 --> 01:25:13,319
even funnier.

1635
01:25:14,079 --> 01:25:14,279
Speaker 7: I know.

1636
01:25:15,359 --> 01:25:18,119
Speaker 6: But boss, here's what I'm here to tell you what

1637
01:25:19,359 --> 01:25:20,600
It gets even more absurd.

1638
01:25:21,600 --> 01:25:22,560
Speaker 4: How is that possible?

1639
01:25:22,800 --> 01:25:25,439
Speaker 6: Because if we if we know anything about Sid by

1640
01:25:25,479 --> 01:25:28,199
this point, after all the analysis we've done. Is he

1641
01:25:28,319 --> 01:25:31,319
going to just accept to history? Is he gonna let

1642
01:25:31,359 --> 01:25:35,760
history simply record that he flubbed the line? Oh no,

1643
01:25:36,520 --> 01:25:43,439
what's he gonna do? I imagine that somebody let me

1644
01:25:43,520 --> 01:25:46,439
think here, Yeah, yeah, I want you to really marinate

1645
01:25:46,520 --> 01:25:49,319
on it. What would Sid do if he knew that

1646
01:25:49,359 --> 01:25:52,680
there was some gaff that he made that was completely

1647
01:25:52,720 --> 01:25:56,520
his fault, that he knew cast him in an embarrassing light.

1648
01:25:57,439 --> 01:26:00,319
Speaker 4: Well, number one, he'd blame somebody else for it, yep,

1649
01:26:01,720 --> 01:26:06,680
And that maybe I don't know that somebody. I'm say, sham.

1650
01:26:06,800 --> 01:26:09,520
I was going out out to the ring. They were

1651
01:26:09,560 --> 01:26:13,960
playing my music, and all of a sudden, Eric Bischoff

1652
01:26:14,079 --> 01:26:17,600
comes over here and he says, you gotta say, you

1653
01:26:17,720 --> 01:26:22,359
gotta talk about his brain. I said, what brain? So

1654
01:26:22,479 --> 01:26:26,159
you gotta talk about Nash's brain. I don't understand.

1655
01:26:27,560 --> 01:26:32,199
Speaker 6: He's he's never given me head and talk to you

1656
01:26:32,199 --> 01:26:33,319
about Pat Patterson's brain.

1657
01:26:33,399 --> 01:26:37,920
Speaker 4: But well, you mean brain.

1658
01:26:39,680 --> 01:26:41,800
Speaker 6: Well that's kind of the point, isn't. It's said that

1659
01:26:41,920 --> 01:26:43,640
you don't even know what the word means. And so

1660
01:26:43,760 --> 01:26:46,760
he was all flustered when he goes out there and

1661
01:26:46,960 --> 01:26:47,560
I don't even.

1662
01:26:47,439 --> 01:26:48,159
Speaker 4: Know what I was saying.

1663
01:26:48,279 --> 01:26:51,079
Speaker 6: You pretty much nailed it, man, I knew you'd come.

1664
01:26:51,319 --> 01:26:53,239
I knew you'd get it because we've spent too much time.

1665
01:26:53,880 --> 01:26:56,640
This is a guy that like he's got his he's

1666
01:26:56,680 --> 01:27:00,560
got his menu of stories that he tells to counteract

1667
01:27:00,680 --> 01:27:04,119
every single time he's been caught playing fast and loose

1668
01:27:04,399 --> 01:27:07,479
or being a moron. Okay, he's got a whole story

1669
01:27:07,560 --> 01:27:10,600
about how every injury was real and the doctor. I

1670
01:27:10,680 --> 01:27:12,600
didn't want to go into the doctor, and they made

1671
01:27:12,640 --> 01:27:14,000
me go to the doctor, and I told him I

1672
01:27:14,439 --> 01:27:15,800
I don't want to go to the doctor because then

1673
01:27:15,800 --> 01:27:18,800
they're not gonna let me wrestle. I don't want to

1674
01:27:18,840 --> 01:27:20,840
negotiate with you because I'm gonna say something and it's

1675
01:27:20,840 --> 01:27:22,960
gonna upset all that. You know, the way he sort

1676
01:27:23,000 --> 01:27:25,960
of reverse engineers circumstances, but he knows the menu of

1677
01:27:26,000 --> 01:27:28,359
things you're gonna ask him about. And this definitely came

1678
01:27:28,439 --> 01:27:30,239
up when he was on the shoot interview circuit after

1679
01:27:30,319 --> 01:27:33,359
his career was over. And you said it was Bischoff,

1680
01:27:33,399 --> 01:27:37,520
it was Russo actually Okay, But let's spend some time

1681
01:27:37,600 --> 01:27:39,880
here with how sid his countenance the fact that this

1682
01:27:39,960 --> 01:27:43,359
one goes down in history. Here is his explanation, Uh,

1683
01:27:44,239 --> 01:27:47,159
in one of his shoot interviews with R Video, I.

1684
01:27:47,319 --> 01:27:48,720
Speaker 8: Just not you know us.

1685
01:27:48,840 --> 01:27:51,960
Speaker 18: So first of all, you know, wasn't the genius every

1686
01:27:52,000 --> 01:27:56,680
boy putting out to be. And he set a poor

1687
01:27:56,840 --> 01:28:00,680
job or a different type of job. Then I thought

1688
01:28:00,920 --> 01:28:03,960
we all thought was sabotage. No one could be this

1689
01:28:04,199 --> 01:28:07,520
bad consistently. I get an example where in Little Rock,

1690
01:28:07,560 --> 01:28:10,399
and that's my home state, and I come out. They started,

1691
01:28:10,520 --> 01:28:13,600
you know, the hall champ and he had me come out.

1692
01:28:14,720 --> 01:28:17,560
Uh see, Kevin was dressed up by Bens mc mahan

1693
01:28:18,119 --> 01:28:19,960
and Scott was dressed up like someone else.

1694
01:28:20,000 --> 01:28:20,640
Speaker 13: Can remember what was.

1695
01:28:22,920 --> 01:28:23,079
Speaker 7: Say?

1696
01:28:23,119 --> 01:28:25,079
Speaker 18: If the line was like this is a I'm not

1697
01:28:25,239 --> 01:28:27,520
as dumb as I down. I'm not as dumb as

1698
01:28:27,640 --> 01:28:29,960
you think I'm dumb. Something there's something really sad. And

1699
01:28:30,079 --> 01:28:32,439
I said, is this really what you want me to say?

1700
01:28:32,479 --> 01:28:34,600
Because this isn't gonna help us draw money?

1701
01:28:34,720 --> 01:28:39,520
Speaker 13: Yeah, you know, but but Bill was guy's name. Don't

1702
01:28:39,680 --> 01:28:40,880
don't bush Bill Bush.

1703
01:28:41,640 --> 01:28:45,399
Speaker 18: He come in now, Sid you're one of the leaders

1704
01:28:45,439 --> 01:28:48,600
here when I'm asking you to do everything they ask

1705
01:28:49,520 --> 01:28:51,560
because if you do it, then it looked like, you know,

1706
01:28:51,840 --> 01:28:54,640
everyone should do it. So I always had that and

1707
01:28:54,880 --> 01:28:56,640
I don't mind that's part of the deal. And if

1708
01:28:56,640 --> 01:28:59,279
I'm that well respected by the big guy, I'm saying,

1709
01:28:59,279 --> 01:29:00,960
I'm gonna do what you're asking me because you're paying

1710
01:29:00,960 --> 01:29:02,680
me a lot of money. So I did you know,

1711
01:29:03,000 --> 01:29:05,159
and that was those are silly things, you know. I

1712
01:29:05,319 --> 01:29:09,600
just didn't think that, you know, that had any reason

1713
01:29:09,680 --> 01:29:12,439
to be part of anything. There's a waste of time,

1714
01:29:12,760 --> 01:29:16,640
you know. Television is so important, you know, intepeted, you know.

1715
01:29:17,760 --> 01:29:19,239
But that's that's how I say.

1716
01:29:19,840 --> 01:29:35,680
Speaker 1: He's a lapse fan wrestling podcast, the wrestling podcast that

1717
01:29:35,840 --> 01:29:39,279
knows the boys need their candy. It's the lapsed fan.

1718
01:29:53,960 --> 01:29:57,880
He's a lapsed fan wrestling podcast with Jack and Corneo

1719
01:29:58,279 --> 01:29:59,279
and JP Soo.

1720
01:30:01,279 --> 01:30:08,119
Speaker 6: So he is proffering a version where Vince Russo scripted

1721
01:30:08,239 --> 01:30:10,840
him to say I have half the brain you do.

1722
01:30:11,760 --> 01:30:15,520
Not that he flobed the line, but that he was

1723
01:30:15,600 --> 01:30:17,239
for some reason scripted to say that.

1724
01:30:19,119 --> 01:30:23,800
Speaker 4: And because that's what you know, I mean, who that's

1725
01:30:24,000 --> 01:30:25,960
I mean, that's just stupid, this.

1726
01:30:26,039 --> 01:30:28,800
Speaker 6: Idea that he like, protested it and called it out

1727
01:30:28,840 --> 01:30:32,039
as counterproductive and did it anyway because he's just you know, boss.

1728
01:30:32,159 --> 01:30:34,199
The reason he delivered that line, because he's just too

1729
01:30:34,279 --> 01:30:37,880
much of a team player, right exactly, And it's you know, if.

1730
01:30:37,760 --> 01:30:40,640
Speaker 4: That's player, that's why he has the contract he has.

1731
01:30:40,760 --> 01:30:42,600
Speaker 6: If that's if that's the cross he has to bear,

1732
01:30:42,680 --> 01:30:45,479
then so be it. You know, if he has to

1733
01:30:45,600 --> 01:30:47,479
get in his car and a day off and drive

1734
01:30:47,560 --> 01:30:49,720
to a TV studio to shoot an interview for his

1735
01:30:49,880 --> 01:30:52,800
VHS release, then so be it. These are the these

1736
01:30:52,880 --> 01:30:56,159
are the things that heroes are asked to do, right, And.

1737
01:30:57,640 --> 01:30:58,920
Speaker 4: That's such a asshole.

1738
01:30:59,000 --> 01:31:00,920
Speaker 6: The fact that he couched everything that happened and the

1739
01:31:00,920 --> 01:31:03,159
whole Russo was there to kill ww thing is just

1740
01:31:03,279 --> 01:31:05,680
so rich because all that comes later, you know, like,

1741
01:31:05,760 --> 01:31:08,720
there's no way that this early in Russo's WCW run

1742
01:31:08,760 --> 01:31:09,159
people were.

1743
01:31:09,119 --> 01:31:11,119
Speaker 4: Saying that about him, No way, right exactly.

1744
01:31:11,359 --> 01:31:13,920
Speaker 6: That's things people say after WCW goes under and you

1745
01:31:14,000 --> 01:31:15,760
look back with retrospect, you say, what was he trying

1746
01:31:15,760 --> 01:31:16,279
to do? Anyway?

1747
01:31:16,319 --> 01:31:17,039
Speaker 4: That was fucking weird.

1748
01:31:18,279 --> 01:31:22,680
Speaker 6: But there's no way, in this host's opinion, that Hall's

1749
01:31:22,720 --> 01:31:25,000
reaction is an organic on that show. There's no way

1750
01:31:25,439 --> 01:31:29,000
that sid was supposed to say that. But that's that's

1751
01:31:29,039 --> 01:31:31,560
his that's his version, and bless his heart, he sticking

1752
01:31:31,600 --> 01:31:33,119
to it. He's just too much of a leader boss

1753
01:31:33,159 --> 01:31:35,439
to to not go out there and say that, even

1754
01:31:35,479 --> 01:31:38,319
though he remembered it so clearly in an interview. Did

1755
01:31:38,399 --> 01:31:41,159
you hear him recite from memory the actual line. What

1756
01:31:41,239 --> 01:31:44,079
did he end up saying? I'm I remember what he said.

1757
01:31:44,119 --> 01:31:45,199
Speaker 4: I'm stupider than you.

1758
01:31:46,079 --> 01:31:49,199
Speaker 6: Oh my god, I'm not. I'm dumber there. I'm dumber

1759
01:31:49,239 --> 01:31:50,119
than you think I'm dumb.

1760
01:31:50,479 --> 01:31:52,199
Speaker 4: Yeah right, I'm dumbing that you think I am.

1761
01:31:52,359 --> 01:31:56,520
Speaker 6: Okay, sid I'm dumber than you think I am.

1762
01:31:56,760 --> 01:31:58,439
Speaker 4: I'm dumber than you think I am.

1763
01:31:58,960 --> 01:32:01,000
Speaker 6: That would have been a better title for the Millennium

1764
01:32:01,039 --> 01:32:01,640
man VHS.

1765
01:32:01,680 --> 01:32:06,079
Speaker 4: Really just see the thing is and it's real simple.

1766
01:32:06,239 --> 01:32:06,920
Speaker 6: Yeah I wish it was.

1767
01:32:07,039 --> 01:32:10,520
Speaker 4: You don't understand that I'm dumber than you think I am.

1768
01:32:11,960 --> 01:32:13,760
I've half the brain you do.

1769
01:32:14,319 --> 01:32:16,000
Speaker 6: Why are they having you say this stuff?

1770
01:32:16,039 --> 01:32:18,600
Speaker 4: Sid Well?

1771
01:32:18,800 --> 01:32:21,039
Speaker 6: Why did Brusso script you in ninety five to say

1772
01:32:21,079 --> 01:32:22,920
can we do this again? So ja I can say

1773
01:32:22,920 --> 01:32:23,319
we're alive.

1774
01:32:24,039 --> 01:32:26,920
Speaker 4: I don't make these mistakes. This is what I've been

1775
01:32:27,000 --> 01:32:30,640
told to do. I'm a team player. I'm not gonna

1776
01:32:30,680 --> 01:32:34,239
sit there. I'm not gonna argue with people who are

1777
01:32:34,319 --> 01:32:38,840
paying me big money to do a job, and I

1778
01:32:38,840 --> 01:32:41,399
don't do the job, right. We can get rid of

1779
01:32:41,439 --> 01:32:43,920
that one here in a bit. Definitely don't do the

1780
01:32:44,039 --> 01:32:46,960
job on top of it, so I have the brain

1781
01:32:47,039 --> 01:32:50,119
that you do. I mean, say no more, right, But

1782
01:32:50,239 --> 01:32:53,399
then he adds a whole other dimension to it by denying,

1783
01:32:54,000 --> 01:32:57,600
by denying, by prevaricating. It's just tremendous. It's as sid

1784
01:32:57,640 --> 01:33:00,439
as it gets, it's as pro wrestling as it gets. Mean. God,

1785
01:33:00,760 --> 01:33:04,359
of course we'll never know, right if if Russo scripted

1786
01:33:04,439 --> 01:33:06,920
the line, we'll never know will.

1787
01:33:06,880 --> 01:33:14,560
Speaker 19: Be JP Brock Who it is? It is, Vince Russo, man,

1788
01:33:14,640 --> 01:33:18,079
And I am here to answer a question because you

1789
01:33:18,199 --> 01:33:19,840
have a question about the nitro.

1790
01:33:20,039 --> 01:33:25,720
Speaker 14: When Nash came out in a sid mask, Yes.

1791
01:33:26,399 --> 01:33:30,439
Speaker 4: Why is he yelling? Why the fuck is he yelling?

1792
01:33:30,520 --> 01:33:33,960
He's in he's alone, he's got a phone right in

1793
01:33:34,039 --> 01:33:35,880
front of him. Why is he yelling?

1794
01:33:39,600 --> 01:33:42,560
Speaker 6: You know this guy, Jp, he didn't like me from

1795
01:33:42,640 --> 01:33:45,319
the beginning. Bro I'm from New York and he's got

1796
01:33:45,359 --> 01:33:48,000
a problem with that. That was made very clear to

1797
01:33:48,199 --> 01:33:49,359
me on Day one.

1798
01:33:49,359 --> 01:33:54,520
Speaker 4: Bro day one in ninety five. Because you've known him.

1799
01:33:54,720 --> 01:33:56,399
Speaker 6: Or the or the day one raw they did a

1800
01:33:56,439 --> 01:33:57,319
couple of years ago.

1801
01:33:59,199 --> 01:34:00,720
Speaker 4: Old I do want to say, by the way, I

1802
01:34:00,800 --> 01:34:03,560
want to even though that this this cameo is directed

1803
01:34:03,600 --> 01:34:06,720
to me, I have not heard these yet. I actually

1804
01:34:06,800 --> 01:34:09,399
purposely did not listen to these ones.

1805
01:34:09,479 --> 01:34:12,000
Speaker 6: It's good practice. Now, all right, Well that's great, because

1806
01:34:12,000 --> 01:34:14,520
I wanted to ask you. Do you expect Russo to

1807
01:34:14,640 --> 01:34:16,319
remember whether he scripted this or not?

1808
01:34:16,920 --> 01:34:23,760
Speaker 4: Yes? Okay, JP, Bro, Look who it is.

1809
01:34:23,920 --> 01:34:26,319
Speaker 19: It is Vince Russo Man, and I am here to

1810
01:34:26,520 --> 01:34:30,560
answer a question because you have a question about the nitro.

1811
01:34:30,720 --> 01:34:34,520
When Nash came out in a Sid mask and Sid

1812
01:34:34,680 --> 01:34:37,119
said to Nash, I have half.

1813
01:34:37,119 --> 01:34:38,880
Speaker 4: The brain that you do.

1814
01:34:39,680 --> 01:34:42,439
Speaker 19: Sid has said that it was scripted line. Is that

1815
01:34:42,760 --> 01:34:47,800
true or did Sid mess up? Scott Hole reacted like

1816
01:34:48,000 --> 01:34:48,760
it was legit.

1817
01:34:49,439 --> 01:34:50,600
Speaker 13: I gotta be honest with.

1818
01:34:50,680 --> 01:34:51,880
Speaker 14: You, JP, here comes.

1819
01:34:52,119 --> 01:34:58,720
Speaker 19: I don't remember that being a scripted line. I honestly don't.

1820
01:34:59,319 --> 01:35:03,479
It could been Sid said it was, but Bro, that

1821
01:35:03,720 --> 01:35:07,000
was twenty five years ago, and it's really hard for

1822
01:35:07,159 --> 01:35:11,520
me to remember. I do not remember scripting that line.

1823
01:35:12,119 --> 01:35:15,840
I didn't think it was a scripted line. Sid thought

1824
01:35:15,880 --> 01:35:20,439
it was a scripted line. Unfortunately he is no longer here.

1825
01:35:20,560 --> 01:35:22,359
Speaker 13: Rest in peace. I love Sid Man.

1826
01:35:22,439 --> 01:35:25,920
Speaker 19: He was a great man a great individual individual. But

1827
01:35:26,039 --> 01:35:31,119
if you're asking me, I'm honestly answering. I don't remember

1828
01:35:31,760 --> 01:35:35,159
it being a scripted line, but it could have been

1829
01:35:35,439 --> 01:35:39,079
a scripted line. I'm not bailing out, JP, I'm just

1830
01:35:39,239 --> 01:35:40,560
telling you what I remember, Bro.

1831
01:35:41,119 --> 01:35:43,880
Speaker 14: That is in my friend. I hope that helps you out.

1832
01:35:44,279 --> 01:35:45,119
Speaker 3: Take care, will you?

1833
01:35:45,279 --> 01:35:45,600
Speaker 4: JP?

1834
01:35:46,319 --> 01:35:47,880
Speaker 6: Yeah, we'll get that done, Vince. Thanks love.

1835
01:35:48,000 --> 01:35:53,960
Speaker 4: Oh my god, that is a nauseating, nauseating cameo. No,

1836
01:35:54,119 --> 01:35:54,800
it's not fine.

1837
01:35:55,279 --> 01:35:57,880
Speaker 6: He tackled our question in great spirits.

1838
01:35:58,399 --> 01:35:59,079
Speaker 4: What the fuck?

1839
01:35:59,399 --> 01:35:59,439
Speaker 8: So?

1840
01:36:00,399 --> 01:36:03,119
Speaker 6: I wonder if we hadn't said that. Sid later denied

1841
01:36:03,119 --> 01:36:04,680
it was a scripted line and just asked him if

1842
01:36:04,680 --> 01:36:06,239
it was a scripted line, if his answer would have

1843
01:36:06,239 --> 01:36:09,279
been different. But I think the calculation is like, if

1844
01:36:09,279 --> 01:36:11,399
you don't say that, then he'll like pretend I do

1845
01:36:11,399 --> 01:36:13,600
not remember it at all and not understand why you'd

1846
01:36:13,600 --> 01:36:16,479
even ask, and that there's a controversy here might might

1847
01:36:17,079 --> 01:36:20,560
cause one to lean in one way or another, and he, basically,

1848
01:36:20,600 --> 01:36:22,760
I think, is he's going to come as close as

1849
01:36:22,840 --> 01:36:24,640
he's going to to say that. No, of course I.

1850
01:36:24,840 --> 01:36:29,000
Speaker 4: Scripped that right, right, I mean, honestly, he could just stop.

1851
01:36:29,000 --> 01:36:31,880
I don't remember scripting that line and that's it, you know.

1852
01:36:32,039 --> 01:36:34,159
Speaker 6: Well, he the first thing he says is, I don't

1853
01:36:34,199 --> 01:36:37,520
remember it as a scripted line, right, So it's almost like, again,

1854
01:36:37,560 --> 01:36:39,720
he would have said it wasn't if he didn't, if

1855
01:36:39,760 --> 01:36:42,439
he wasn't made aware of the fact, if he didn't

1856
01:36:42,439 --> 01:36:44,800
know already, which Russa pays very close attention to a

1857
01:36:44,840 --> 01:36:46,960
lot more than you think, so he may very well

1858
01:36:47,039 --> 01:36:49,359
know that Sid has been I wouldn't. I wouldn't put

1859
01:36:49,359 --> 01:36:51,319
it past Russo to know that Sid has called that

1860
01:36:51,600 --> 01:36:53,960
a scripted line and act like he hadn't heard that

1861
01:36:54,079 --> 01:36:56,760
Sid had said that is my point, because he seems

1862
01:36:56,760 --> 01:36:58,560
to hear every little thing that's said about him. But

1863
01:37:00,399 --> 01:37:01,960
but the first thing he says, to be very clear

1864
01:37:02,039 --> 01:37:03,560
is I don't remember it being a scripted line. That's

1865
01:37:03,560 --> 01:37:04,800
good enough for me. You know, if you just like

1866
01:37:04,920 --> 01:37:07,439
isolated that quote alone in a story, yeah, it would

1867
01:37:07,439 --> 01:37:10,000
go down in history as absolutely was not scripted. Russis

1868
01:37:10,000 --> 01:37:12,159
said it wasn't. But then he kind of goes into,

1869
01:37:12,199 --> 01:37:13,640
you know, I understand that Sid thought it was, but

1870
01:37:13,720 --> 01:37:15,359
I don't remember that being a scripted line, and I

1871
01:37:15,399 --> 01:37:18,000
would think, you know, if you scripted or Sid to say,

1872
01:37:18,039 --> 01:37:19,720
I have half a brain, you wouldn't forget that.

1873
01:37:20,119 --> 01:37:22,079
Speaker 4: I know you would not forget that if if if you,

1874
01:37:22,239 --> 01:37:25,760
because because not only would you not forget writing that line,

1875
01:37:25,840 --> 01:37:28,479
you'd also not you wouldn't be able to forget his

1876
01:37:28,600 --> 01:37:31,039
reaction to it, because who the fuck's gonna say okay

1877
01:37:31,840 --> 01:37:33,600
right away and just go with it like people are

1878
01:37:33,600 --> 01:37:36,000
gonna You're gonna have pushback on that kind of a line.

1879
01:37:36,079 --> 01:37:38,079
Speaker 6: That's so true, and he this is a pushback that

1880
01:37:38,159 --> 01:37:40,640
Sid claims he actually had, you know, and if Sid

1881
01:37:40,720 --> 01:37:42,640
did react in the way he claims he did to

1882
01:37:42,840 --> 01:37:45,319
being to this being brought to him, of course he

1883
01:37:45,319 --> 01:37:48,159
would remember, right, you know, it's.

1884
01:37:48,119 --> 01:37:49,720
Speaker 4: Uh, it's it's what you do.

1885
01:37:49,840 --> 01:37:51,239
Speaker 6: You go to the guy who wrote the script to

1886
01:37:51,279 --> 01:37:52,920
ask him if it was a scripted line. There's no

1887
01:37:53,439 --> 01:37:55,600
there's no third perspective we could bring here. Really, of

1888
01:37:55,680 --> 01:37:58,760
course Sid's gone, that might sus all this out as

1889
01:37:58,800 --> 01:38:02,119
there h a j P.

1890
01:38:02,319 --> 01:38:02,880
Speaker 13: It's nash.

1891
01:38:05,079 --> 01:38:09,000
Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean, it's it's pretty hard not to remember

1892
01:38:09,079 --> 01:38:14,760
that one. Uh, you know, even even when it was live. Uh,

1893
01:38:16,279 --> 01:38:19,600
you know, it was like did he just say what

1894
01:38:19,680 --> 01:38:22,560
I think he said? And then you hear that that

1895
01:38:22,720 --> 01:38:29,920
peppering of of laughter. Uh, of course Scott you know,

1896
01:38:32,319 --> 01:38:35,039
didn't didn't give him any slack, and Scott said, there

1897
01:38:35,720 --> 01:38:40,239
worse laughed. But uh and then since then, you know,

1898
01:38:40,359 --> 01:38:45,359
there's been so much uh play of that at that

1899
01:38:45,520 --> 01:38:49,039
clip on social media that it kind of doesn't seem

1900
01:38:49,119 --> 01:38:54,399
like it's it's going away anytime soon. But uh, he

1901
01:38:54,560 --> 01:38:58,239
was such a sweetheart of a guy. Sets of the Earth.

1902
01:38:58,560 --> 01:39:00,319
We got in the back and he was just standing

1903
01:39:00,359 --> 01:39:06,640
there by grilla position, and uh, you know, I tried

1904
01:39:06,680 --> 01:39:09,000
to act like nothing happened. He goes, he goes, did you?

1905
01:39:09,119 --> 01:39:13,600
And I citizen did you? It was kind of like,

1906
01:39:15,840 --> 01:39:20,000
obviously I didn't do a very good job of of

1907
01:39:20,159 --> 01:39:24,960
flying because right behind me was was Scott, and Scott

1908
01:39:25,159 --> 01:39:29,000
you know, just yeah, had his time with it. So

1909
01:39:30,279 --> 01:39:37,640
but uh, yeah, I remember it like it was yesterday. Thankfully. Yeah,

1910
01:39:38,760 --> 01:39:42,960
thanks for the question. I'm actually a mile and so

1911
01:39:43,039 --> 01:39:49,439
it was it was nice to think of Sid. Appreciate it, man,

1912
01:39:49,800 --> 01:39:50,199
take care?

1913
01:39:51,560 --> 01:39:53,239
Speaker 4: Wait what what what would what do you say?

1914
01:39:53,399 --> 01:39:55,079
Speaker 6: He said? You know, I'm actually smiling because it was

1915
01:39:55,159 --> 01:39:57,920
nice to think about Sid for a second. Oh okay,

1916
01:39:58,159 --> 01:39:59,840
and we would be remiss to not point out what's

1917
01:39:59,880 --> 01:40:02,079
the common thread between those two cameos that they both

1918
01:40:02,119 --> 01:40:03,800
felt compelled at the end to say, you know, Sid

1919
01:40:03,920 --> 01:40:04,600
was just a great guy.

1920
01:40:05,239 --> 01:40:09,039
Speaker 4: Yeah, right right, it's not. Well, listen, everyone whenever whenever

1921
01:40:09,119 --> 01:40:10,399
someone dies, they're a great person.

1922
01:40:10,479 --> 01:40:14,479
Speaker 6: That's true, that's true. But I think the Pitler the same.

1923
01:40:14,800 --> 01:40:18,279
Come on, ref get in there. But I think, uh now,

1924
01:40:18,319 --> 01:40:19,640
I think they would have said it even if he

1925
01:40:19,680 --> 01:40:21,119
was still alive in that vein, because he was a

1926
01:40:21,199 --> 01:40:21,479
guy that.

1927
01:40:21,840 --> 01:40:24,479
Speaker 4: It seems like he was. It seems like everyone liked him. Yeah,

1928
01:40:24,800 --> 01:40:30,199
it seems like he was a very likable individual, you know.

1929
01:40:30,479 --> 01:40:32,319
And I agree, I agree with that comment. From what

1930
01:40:32,399 --> 01:40:35,000
I know of Sid, that's alt of the earth comment.

1931
01:40:35,079 --> 01:40:36,640
He doesn't feels like that kind of an individual.

1932
01:40:36,720 --> 01:40:39,640
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think that's well put. But there's your confirmation. Okay,

1933
01:40:39,920 --> 01:40:42,359
all that doesn't happen in Gorilla. If it was scripted,

1934
01:40:43,000 --> 01:40:44,399
Nash doesn't remember it that way.

1935
01:40:44,479 --> 01:40:48,439
Speaker 4: If it was scripted, listen Nash, and listen, Nash is

1936
01:40:48,479 --> 01:40:52,680
gonna fucking know absolutely all that Nash holds onto that

1937
01:40:52,840 --> 01:40:55,520
kind of ship like it's fucking like with taki glue

1938
01:40:55,560 --> 01:40:55,720
on his.

1939
01:40:55,800 --> 01:40:57,640
Speaker 6: Brain, members it like it was yesterday.

1940
01:40:57,760 --> 01:41:01,079
Speaker 4: Okay, you think we rested, Yeah, you know, that's one

1941
01:41:01,119 --> 01:41:07,399
of that's a fucking nier. You don't forget Jesus Christ.

1942
01:41:07,520 --> 01:41:09,640
What the the way he described I want to know.

1943
01:41:09,800 --> 01:41:14,560
I want to know exactly what he does. I mean,

1944
01:41:14,600 --> 01:41:18,680
obviously he must like he does. He's he's doing something

1945
01:41:18,720 --> 01:41:20,199
before he does Cameos.

1946
01:41:19,840 --> 01:41:22,880
Speaker 6: Tativa, yeah, and Little Wine probably.

1947
01:41:23,359 --> 01:41:23,520
Speaker 19: Yeah.

1948
01:41:24,079 --> 01:41:26,039
Speaker 4: I love that. That's when he fucking chooses to do

1949
01:41:26,199 --> 01:41:26,560
these things.

1950
01:41:26,640 --> 01:41:29,000
Speaker 6: I don't think there's honestly, I don't think there's a

1951
01:41:29,079 --> 01:41:30,840
time where he's not in that situation.

1952
01:41:31,279 --> 01:41:33,520
Speaker 4: Sadly, no fifteen minute version, though I was kind of

1953
01:41:33,560 --> 01:41:35,600
disappointed at the length when I saw it. I didn't

1954
01:41:35,640 --> 01:41:37,399
hear it, I didn't listen to it, but I saw

1955
01:41:37,479 --> 01:41:38,800
there was only two minutes or something like that.

1956
01:41:38,920 --> 01:41:40,239
Speaker 6: Right, he didn't ask him about cinema.

1957
01:41:40,319 --> 01:41:41,560
Speaker 4: That's the difference, That's true, A good point.

1958
01:41:41,680 --> 01:41:43,000
Speaker 6: That's when he really goes nuts.

1959
01:41:43,359 --> 01:41:47,600
Speaker 4: What he really knows about. That's his real education as post.

1960
01:41:47,439 --> 01:41:48,439
Speaker 6: Of the things he actually did.

1961
01:41:49,039 --> 01:41:49,239
Speaker 7: Yeah.

1962
01:41:49,840 --> 01:41:52,520
Speaker 6: Yeah, just amazing, Just such a moment in time, So Sid,

1963
01:41:53,239 --> 01:41:55,199
I mean, this this run is so full of like

1964
01:41:56,239 --> 01:41:59,920
Sid class, It's like this run confirms everything we thought

1965
01:42:00,119 --> 01:42:01,880
and what we heard about sin and that every day. Yeah,

1966
01:42:01,960 --> 01:42:04,279
and before yes, he just ends up doing a whole

1967
01:42:04,319 --> 01:42:05,920
lot of things like Okay, yeah, that is what this

1968
01:42:06,000 --> 01:42:09,399
guy was and this is just amazing that this happened.

1969
01:42:10,000 --> 01:42:11,479
And you thought we were going to rest with that

1970
01:42:11,680 --> 01:42:13,880
half answer from Russo, No, we don't fucking stop.

1971
01:42:14,000 --> 01:42:15,600
Speaker 4: No, no, no, no, no, we need the really need

1972
01:42:15,680 --> 01:42:16,000
the truth.

1973
01:42:16,479 --> 01:42:18,199
Speaker 6: And in the fashion of tlf X, why are we

1974
01:42:18,279 --> 01:42:20,199
emboldened to do what it takes to go out and

1975
01:42:20,239 --> 01:42:22,960
get those answers. It's because we know that the solar

1976
01:42:23,039 --> 01:42:25,560
system is there as a backstop to make it worth

1977
01:42:25,720 --> 01:42:28,640
our while and to provide the funding even to do that.

1978
01:42:28,720 --> 01:42:31,399
These things aren't free, they're not prohibitively expensive, but it's

1979
01:42:31,439 --> 01:42:32,920
the kind of things it's like, you know, we'll go

1980
01:42:33,000 --> 01:42:36,000
the extra mile. We'll well, we'll pay that cost to

1981
01:42:36,079 --> 01:42:39,039
answer that question for sure. We'll source that material, no

1982
01:42:39,119 --> 01:42:40,359
matter how hard it is to dig up.

1983
01:42:40,439 --> 01:42:42,479
Speaker 4: I mean, especially because it's a great you know, uh,

1984
01:42:43,039 --> 01:42:47,119
it's a great it's a great source. You know, the

1985
01:42:47,399 --> 01:42:50,479
these I mean, it's it's it's almost like getting the

1986
01:42:50,640 --> 01:42:53,520
interview at at a at a you know, like a

1987
01:42:53,520 --> 01:42:54,079
wrestle coan.

1988
01:42:54,199 --> 01:42:56,439
Speaker 6: The way we go about it. It's the same thing. Yeah,

1989
01:42:56,439 --> 01:42:58,560
because we go with an agenda where we don't expect

1990
01:42:58,600 --> 01:43:00,279
to have more than five minutes of their time, so

1991
01:43:00,359 --> 01:43:02,960
we come with questions that only our listeners would want

1992
01:43:03,000 --> 01:43:05,680
us to ask, instead of asking the questions everybody else

1993
01:43:05,760 --> 01:43:07,159
is going to ask them. But you know, good for them.

1994
01:43:07,239 --> 01:43:08,840
It's great that they do, but that's not what we're

1995
01:43:08,880 --> 01:43:10,560
here to do. That's not our highest and best use.

1996
01:43:11,079 --> 01:43:13,119
So you're absolutely right. It's just it's just a brilliant

1997
01:43:13,720 --> 01:43:16,439
way in on these guys and to get their perspectives.

1998
01:43:16,520 --> 01:43:18,199
I mean, I think it's great. I think it really

1999
01:43:18,319 --> 01:43:21,439
is because it's easy. It's easy as fuck for them

2000
01:43:21,479 --> 01:43:22,680
to answer a question, you know.

2001
01:43:22,920 --> 01:43:26,359
Speaker 4: Right, right, it's been easy also easy enough for them

2002
01:43:26,439 --> 01:43:29,159
to fucking collect a cup on our bikes exactly.

2003
01:43:29,279 --> 01:43:31,079
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's what I mean for them, for them, because

2004
01:43:31,079 --> 01:43:33,640
that's how wrestlers think, right. It's like, how much can

2005
01:43:33,720 --> 01:43:35,880
I be paid for the minimal effort? You know, It's

2006
01:43:35,920 --> 01:43:37,600
not that I'm only going to put in minimal effort,

2007
01:43:37,600 --> 01:43:38,920
but I do want to know what the going rate

2008
01:43:39,000 --> 01:43:41,520
is on minimal effort before I calibrate how hard I'm

2009
01:43:41,520 --> 01:43:45,119
going to work at project decks and so long, long

2010
01:43:45,199 --> 01:43:47,880
may it continue. Thanks to your support thanks to uh

2011
01:43:48,199 --> 01:43:50,600
Vincreu's and Kevin Nash there for the reflections on Sid,

2012
01:43:50,680 --> 01:43:52,239
but that you know, we've heard from him, We've heard

2013
01:43:52,239 --> 01:43:54,680
from Devon, We've heard from Brad Hart. There's always that

2014
01:43:54,840 --> 01:43:57,000
thing at the end, you know, like Sid was great.

2015
01:43:57,479 --> 01:44:00,760
Sid was great, So we have have to acknowledge that,

2016
01:44:00,840 --> 01:44:02,840
even as we're kind of poking fun at some of

2017
01:44:02,880 --> 01:44:05,840
the moments where he revealed the sight of himself that

2018
01:44:05,920 --> 01:44:08,640
I think he'd rather have not. So we get to

2019
01:44:08,680 --> 01:44:11,520
Halloween Havoc nineteen ninety nine and it's a long awaited

2020
01:44:11,520 --> 01:44:15,039
Goldberg versus Sid Vicious match, highly anticipated. Like we said,

2021
01:44:15,199 --> 01:44:17,600
sure sure, Son Ferrara had the book at this point

2022
01:44:17,600 --> 01:44:19,880
in time, so it's going to be booked zanally and

2023
01:44:20,479 --> 01:44:22,840
we want color. But here's the thing. Okay, Sid has

2024
01:44:22,920 --> 01:44:30,479
never gotten color? What Sid has never gotten color? But

2025
01:44:30,520 --> 01:44:33,119
they want color in this match. Why is he never

2026
01:44:33,159 --> 01:44:34,680
got in color? It's a great question.

2027
01:44:35,199 --> 01:44:36,520
Speaker 4: But was he never get in color?

2028
01:44:36,720 --> 01:44:36,760
Speaker 7: No?

2029
01:44:38,279 --> 01:44:40,359
Speaker 6: As you brack your brain trying to picture a moment

2030
01:44:40,439 --> 01:44:40,880
he did.

2031
01:44:40,880 --> 01:44:42,720
Speaker 4: No, I've never seen him bleed, I guess. Yeah.

2032
01:44:43,039 --> 01:44:45,560
Speaker 6: So you're watching Halloween Havoc ninety nine and way before

2033
01:44:45,600 --> 01:44:47,279
the match even happens. All of a sudden, they start

2034
01:44:47,319 --> 01:44:49,319
making reference to and they don't show it, but they

2035
01:44:49,359 --> 01:44:52,359
make reference to Goldberg having attacked Sid in the back,

2036
01:44:52,640 --> 01:44:55,720
which is very uncharacteristic of a baby face like Goldburg

2037
01:44:55,760 --> 01:44:59,119
to just assault his opponent before the bell sounds. But

2038
01:44:59,239 --> 01:45:01,079
for some reason, they're starting to tell us that there's

2039
01:45:01,119 --> 01:45:04,319
been an attack backstage and Sid has been laid out,

2040
01:45:04,840 --> 01:45:06,560
and the area where it happened. They point to some

2041
01:45:06,640 --> 01:45:09,720
blood droplets on the ground. And then when Sid comes

2042
01:45:09,760 --> 01:45:14,159
to the ring, he is he's cut and the juice

2043
01:45:14,199 --> 01:45:16,840
is flowing a little bit. Oh boy, And you ask yourself,

2044
01:45:16,880 --> 01:45:20,399
why is what are they doing here? Why does this prelude,

2045
01:45:20,800 --> 01:45:25,199
this preamble to the long awaited Goldberg Sid showdown necessary? Well,

2046
01:45:25,640 --> 01:45:28,199
it turns out, and he's confirmed this and shoot interviews.

2047
01:45:29,439 --> 01:45:32,479
Sid was rather skittish about blading. He didn't want to

2048
01:45:32,520 --> 01:45:36,760
do it. He didn't want to do it himself to himself.

2049
01:45:38,039 --> 01:45:40,600
Speaker 4: He I mean, I can't imagine anybody who would want to.

2050
01:45:40,960 --> 01:45:43,800
Speaker 6: Well that's true, I mean, but most wrestlers, if they're

2051
01:45:43,800 --> 01:45:47,239
going to get color, would rather do it themselves. I think,

2052
01:45:47,359 --> 01:45:50,560
then find some other way to have somebody else do it.

2053
01:45:50,680 --> 01:45:52,640
We know the problems that can cause. There are some

2054
01:45:52,760 --> 01:45:54,359
wrestlers who want the refs to do it. There are

2055
01:45:54,359 --> 01:45:56,239
some wrestlers who just can't bring themselves to do it.

2056
01:45:57,000 --> 01:45:59,479
We saw like Eric Kulass and Newjack. That's like the

2057
01:45:59,680 --> 01:46:02,119
ultimate extreme where you know, you might piss him off

2058
01:46:02,159 --> 01:46:04,079
and yeah he'll he'll get your color, all right, but

2059
01:46:04,119 --> 01:46:06,520
I'll also take this opportunity to scar you for life

2060
01:46:07,319 --> 01:46:10,800
because you pissed him off beforehand. All those X factors

2061
01:46:10,840 --> 01:46:12,640
are introduced when you have a third party do it.

2062
01:46:13,199 --> 01:46:16,840
Speaker 4: I know, hey, I know, I know, big fan of.

2063
01:46:16,920 --> 01:46:19,279
Speaker 6: That coming to a Saturday Night's Made event near you

2064
01:46:19,439 --> 01:46:21,520
by the way, is he really? I think so? I

2065
01:46:21,560 --> 01:46:22,920
think he's un commentary for the show in.

2066
01:46:22,920 --> 01:46:25,199
Speaker 4: December, my fucking Christ.

2067
01:46:25,239 --> 01:46:26,000
Speaker 6: And you not hear that?

2068
01:46:26,119 --> 01:46:26,239
Speaker 7: Right?

2069
01:46:26,319 --> 01:46:33,960
Speaker 6: Let's see Jesse Ventura right now? There are plans for

2070
01:46:34,039 --> 01:46:40,239
Jesse Ventura on the show. Yeah wow, yep, soil see

2071
01:46:40,239 --> 01:46:42,439
if it goes off, it doesn't, it's it's not reading

2072
01:46:42,560 --> 01:46:46,359
like firmly confirmed yet, but yeah it was out there.

2073
01:46:46,560 --> 01:46:50,760
So so what are we gonna do? How are we

2074
01:46:50,760 --> 01:46:54,279
gonna handle this? Still? Like Goldberg hasn't experienced blaming, you know,

2075
01:46:54,880 --> 01:46:58,319
he's never juiced, No, I don't think he's I don't

2076
01:46:58,319 --> 01:47:01,720
think he's bled on purpose before in wrestling. I don't

2077
01:47:01,720 --> 01:47:04,279
remember him ever juicing, and definitely not by this point.

2078
01:47:05,279 --> 01:47:07,880
No time he juices is when he fucking puts his

2079
01:47:08,000 --> 01:47:10,479
arm through a limo window and slices his tricycond half.

2080
01:47:10,560 --> 01:47:12,359
Speaker 4: That's the most blood you've seen out of him.

2081
01:47:13,560 --> 01:47:15,600
Speaker 6: So what do they who do they call? They call

2082
01:47:15,640 --> 01:47:23,079
it a surgeon. They had a surgeon backstage to numb

2083
01:47:23,479 --> 01:47:29,439
Sid's forehead and to cut his forehead with a presumably

2084
01:47:29,520 --> 01:47:35,920
with a scalpel. Is that not, again, the most Sid

2085
01:47:36,039 --> 01:47:37,000
fucking thing you've ever heard?

2086
01:47:37,880 --> 01:47:42,159
Speaker 4: I mean it is. I don't understand. Yeah, why.

2087
01:47:43,520 --> 01:47:47,199
Speaker 6: He just didn't want to do it to himself, But how.

2088
01:47:47,119 --> 01:47:49,000
Speaker 4: Does that work. He's supposed to be in a match.

2089
01:47:49,800 --> 01:47:52,600
Speaker 6: They did it backstage, so when he walked to the ring,

2090
01:47:52,680 --> 01:47:55,199
he's already cut, and that's why they have to do

2091
01:47:55,319 --> 01:48:00,079
this backstage angle ah where Goldberg attacks him, because it

2092
01:48:00,239 --> 01:48:02,479
doesn't want to do it live on the fly, So

2093
01:48:02,560 --> 01:48:05,479
they have to have a reason why he walks down

2094
01:48:05,520 --> 01:48:08,880
to the ring already cut for an attack we never see.

2095
01:48:11,199 --> 01:48:13,039
Can you imagine this surgeon be like all right, I

2096
01:48:13,119 --> 01:48:17,079
mean you want me to do what guys like I

2097
01:48:17,199 --> 01:48:18,399
have a lot to do here, Like, what do you

2098
01:48:18,439 --> 01:48:19,199
want me to do to this guy?

2099
01:48:19,239 --> 01:48:19,479
Speaker 4: Sorry?

2100
01:48:19,640 --> 01:48:20,279
Speaker 18: Do you wait?

2101
01:48:20,359 --> 01:48:20,399
Speaker 1: You?

2102
01:48:21,399 --> 01:48:26,000
Speaker 4: I'm sorry, somebody injured? Doc? Come here? Somebody step in injured,

2103
01:48:26,199 --> 01:48:26,960
I'm saying.

2104
01:48:27,039 --> 01:48:29,319
Speaker 6: Stepping here, stepping mark stipping my office?

2105
01:48:29,399 --> 01:48:29,600
Speaker 8: Doc?

2106
01:48:30,399 --> 01:48:33,199
Speaker 4: The fuck is going on here? Why?

2107
01:48:34,880 --> 01:48:35,079
Speaker 11: Well?

2108
01:48:35,600 --> 01:48:35,640
Speaker 7: So?

2109
01:48:35,920 --> 01:48:37,640
Speaker 4: So all right, So I understand I got called down.

2110
01:48:37,680 --> 01:48:41,479
I told told is an emergency call. So I came

2111
01:48:41,560 --> 01:48:45,319
down as fast as I could. What's Who's hurt? Who's hurt?

2112
01:48:46,439 --> 01:48:50,279
Speaker 6: I'm not hurt, but if you do your job correctly,

2113
01:48:50,319 --> 01:48:50,760
I will be.

2114
01:48:52,960 --> 01:48:55,920
Speaker 4: But if you do exactly what I say. If you

2115
01:48:56,119 --> 01:49:00,199
do exactly what I say, Doc, I will be here hurt.

2116
01:49:02,119 --> 01:49:03,880
Speaker 6: But that's kind of an ethical sir.

2117
01:49:04,199 --> 01:49:08,560
Speaker 4: I'm saying, Wait, you're not hurt, so you call me

2118
01:49:08,600 --> 01:49:11,880
down to get you hurt. That's exactly right.

2119
01:49:12,079 --> 01:49:13,479
Speaker 6: But I know this stuff is fake and everything.

2120
01:49:13,520 --> 01:49:16,600
Speaker 4: But wait a moment. I'm sorry, Now, this is just

2121
01:49:17,039 --> 01:49:20,560
just kind of get everything. This is You're you're a

2122
01:49:20,680 --> 01:49:24,479
pro wrestler. Is that right? You're a pro wrestler. I

2123
01:49:24,760 --> 01:49:30,039
am a professional entertainer, right, Okay.

2124
01:49:30,960 --> 01:49:34,439
Speaker 6: I am a professional entertainer of the said vicious story.

2125
01:49:36,800 --> 01:49:40,319
Speaker 4: Okay, okay, but you get in the ring right and

2126
01:49:40,439 --> 01:49:42,039
you do you do fake moves? Right?

2127
01:49:45,479 --> 01:49:47,600
Speaker 6: Oh? They sure, they sure know how to pick them.

2128
01:49:47,680 --> 01:49:51,279
Not you had to get a doc like this for

2129
01:49:51,399 --> 01:49:54,039
God's sake. You couldn't find one that could skip all

2130
01:49:54,079 --> 01:49:55,359
this nonsense?

2131
01:49:57,600 --> 01:49:58,159
Speaker 4: Can you ever?

2132
01:50:00,479 --> 01:50:01,119
Speaker 7: Now? Doc?

2133
01:50:01,199 --> 01:50:04,439
Speaker 4: I want you to look me in the eyes. I

2134
01:50:04,640 --> 01:50:09,960
want you to understand something that is real. Simple. Yes,

2135
01:50:10,119 --> 01:50:15,159
what I do is fake. Yes, what I do is

2136
01:50:15,319 --> 01:50:20,159
like a carnival. What I do is a joke.

2137
01:50:20,880 --> 01:50:24,600
Speaker 6: What I do is like a carnival, he says, awesome.

2138
01:50:25,479 --> 01:50:28,199
Speaker 4: But what I need you to do right now is

2139
01:50:28,279 --> 01:50:33,560
as real as against all Right, Okay, I guess So

2140
01:50:33,680 --> 01:50:36,520
what is it? What do you what exactly do you

2141
01:50:36,600 --> 01:50:40,159
need me to do? I want you to take your

2142
01:50:40,279 --> 01:50:44,640
scalpel and I want you to run it across my forehead.

2143
01:50:44,680 --> 01:50:49,479
Excuse me, excuse me? What you don't want to take

2144
01:50:49,520 --> 01:50:51,039
my scalpel and do what now?

2145
01:50:52,199 --> 01:50:54,960
Speaker 8: I want you to run it from one end of

2146
01:50:55,039 --> 01:50:58,920
my head to the other and let the chrism crimson

2147
01:50:59,079 --> 01:50:59,960
float down my face.

2148
01:51:04,159 --> 01:51:06,720
Speaker 6: Let the crimson. He's really clinical about it, is he?

2149
01:51:08,000 --> 01:51:10,239
I want you to let the crimson run down my face.

2150
01:51:10,359 --> 01:51:16,680
Speaker 4: Dot sir, I'm sorry, I cannot do that. That is

2151
01:51:16,920 --> 01:51:19,640
completely I want you to look at me in the eye,

2152
01:51:21,079 --> 01:51:22,520
you stupid fuck.

2153
01:51:25,279 --> 01:51:26,560
Speaker 6: Is the game we play, your hand?

2154
01:51:27,439 --> 01:51:30,560
Speaker 4: The game we play is simple, dog, I told you

2155
01:51:30,720 --> 01:51:33,520
what would do is simple. Give me your hand.

2156
01:51:34,479 --> 01:51:38,439
Speaker 3: Okay, ah Jesus, grab this scalpo.

2157
01:51:39,840 --> 01:51:45,520
Speaker 4: Okay, give me your head again. What are you doing?

2158
01:51:45,800 --> 01:51:47,319
Stop it? Stop it? Stop?

2159
01:51:48,239 --> 01:51:50,720
Speaker 3: No, no, stop it.

2160
01:51:51,119 --> 01:51:54,359
Speaker 4: I'm putting you do this to my head? Do it?

2161
01:51:55,319 --> 01:51:55,520
Speaker 13: Yeah?

2162
01:51:56,439 --> 01:51:56,640
Speaker 8: Dad?

2163
01:51:56,800 --> 01:52:00,199
Speaker 14: What do you stop stop doing? Oh?

2164
01:52:00,439 --> 01:52:10,720
Speaker 9: God, sap, I didn't fuck what I'm out?

2165
01:52:11,279 --> 01:52:15,239
Speaker 4: I don't know. I'm calling my lawyer, boss, boss.

2166
01:52:16,239 --> 01:52:17,359
Speaker 6: Can I ask the question?

2167
01:52:18,439 --> 01:52:19,880
Speaker 3: Can I ask the question?

2168
01:52:20,720 --> 01:52:20,880
Speaker 8: Yes?

2169
01:52:21,279 --> 01:52:24,720
Speaker 6: I think you know what the question is. How is

2170
01:52:24,800 --> 01:52:34,840
it that Sid is uncomfortable running a razor over his

2171
01:52:34,960 --> 01:52:41,439
own forehead, but yet is comfortable grabbing another man by

2172
01:52:41,520 --> 01:52:48,039
the wrist and having that hand cut his forehead with

2173
01:52:48,199 --> 01:52:54,760
a surgical grade tool. And I just case, just in case,

2174
01:52:54,800 --> 01:52:58,239
people got lost in the cacaphony there? What what exact

2175
01:52:58,319 --> 01:53:00,760
sound does it make when the scalpel finally makes contact

2176
01:53:00,840 --> 01:53:11,079
with the fleshy forehead of the revolutionary one? Well more time? Please? Sorry?

2177
01:53:13,560 --> 01:53:14,319
Speaker 4: So fine?

2178
01:53:15,800 --> 01:53:18,920
Speaker 6: So it's you know, it's a nice understated blade job.

2179
01:53:19,720 --> 01:53:20,760
Speaker 4: So it's wet.

2180
01:53:24,199 --> 01:53:26,600
Speaker 6: I mean, like the scalpel is like a mirror. That's

2181
01:53:26,640 --> 01:53:27,760
how shiny it is, you know.

2182
01:53:27,880 --> 01:53:30,359
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean it's also like one of the sharpest

2183
01:53:30,399 --> 01:53:31,560
fucking tools, right yeah.

2184
01:53:32,000 --> 01:53:33,640
Speaker 6: And that's how you open someone up for surgery. And

2185
01:53:33,680 --> 01:53:34,119
it's cold.

2186
01:53:34,159 --> 01:53:38,800
Speaker 4: I mean, you wouldn't need to do it hard to

2187
01:53:39,000 --> 01:53:40,079
get him cut open.

2188
01:53:40,359 --> 01:53:43,079
Speaker 6: There is a doctor out there somewhere in the world,

2189
01:53:43,119 --> 01:53:44,840
and I hope he has hear she hasn't passed away.

2190
01:53:45,720 --> 01:53:50,039
Who showed up at Halloween Havoc nineteen ninety nine was

2191
01:53:50,119 --> 01:53:53,640
asked and did cut Sid's forehead open in the back purposely?

2192
01:53:54,239 --> 01:53:56,720
He cut his forehead open. There's no medical justification for it.

2193
01:53:56,800 --> 01:54:00,119
He just cut his head open. No Sid insist on

2194
01:54:00,279 --> 01:54:04,880
being numbed first. It's just the most sidthling I've ever heard.

2195
01:54:05,319 --> 01:54:07,720
To make a blade job this complicated, that you have

2196
01:54:07,800 --> 01:54:10,119
to do an angle and you have to get like

2197
01:54:10,279 --> 01:54:11,079
numbing agents.

2198
01:54:11,800 --> 01:54:13,520
Speaker 4: I mean, that's the best part. He has to fucking get.

2199
01:54:14,199 --> 01:54:17,800
Like think about how fast Flair does it or I

2200
01:54:17,960 --> 01:54:20,039
know anybody does it, And he needs to fucking have

2201
01:54:20,199 --> 01:54:24,279
a whole scenario done exactly. And you wonder why these

2202
01:54:24,319 --> 01:54:26,000
guys remembered it's such a pain in the ass.

2203
01:54:26,199 --> 01:54:30,520
Speaker 6: Yeah, And at some point, you know, it became about

2204
01:54:31,119 --> 01:54:34,319
not whether it's necessary, but whether he's got the power

2205
01:54:34,359 --> 01:54:36,880
to force everybody to do it. Yea, you know, whether

2206
01:54:36,920 --> 01:54:39,000
he's got the sway to have it done his way.

2207
01:54:39,479 --> 01:54:41,199
And once it becomes about that, he's never going to

2208
01:54:41,239 --> 01:54:41,560
give up.

2209
01:54:42,039 --> 01:54:42,159
Speaker 2: Right.

2210
01:54:42,720 --> 01:54:45,800
Speaker 6: So, as he told URF video, they came in early,

2211
01:54:45,920 --> 01:54:47,560
numbed me, cut me. We did a little deal in

2212
01:54:47,600 --> 01:54:49,680
the back where Goldberg would hit me, and they showed

2213
01:54:49,760 --> 01:54:51,840
that that was like a little uncertain thing in the

2214
01:54:51,880 --> 01:54:53,800
pay per view, and then went back sewed it up

2215
01:54:54,680 --> 01:54:57,840
and then went back to the ring. So he so

2216
01:54:57,960 --> 01:54:59,640
they cut it to grate the blood, and then they

2217
01:54:59,800 --> 01:55:03,279
so the cut back up. Oh so then when he

2218
01:55:03,319 --> 01:55:04,760
went back to the ring, all Goldberg had to do

2219
01:55:04,960 --> 01:55:06,399
is hit the stitch a couple of times. So I

2220
01:55:06,439 --> 01:55:09,039
don't know, I don't know what's what's harder. I don't

2221
01:55:09,079 --> 01:55:11,119
know what's worse. I think I know, I think this

2222
01:55:11,279 --> 01:55:13,439
is worse. I think it's worse to have someone cut

2223
01:55:13,479 --> 01:55:15,279
you and have your opponent punch you hard enough for

2224
01:55:15,359 --> 01:55:17,439
real in the cut that the blood flows again, versus

2225
01:55:17,600 --> 01:55:19,640
just nicking your own forehead.

2226
01:55:20,239 --> 01:55:22,159
Speaker 4: I mean, I don't know. I mean, I don't I

2227
01:55:22,159 --> 01:55:24,560
don't certainly want to nick my own forehead ever right

2228
01:55:25,119 --> 01:55:29,039
on purpose, but at the same time, prolonging it like

2229
01:55:29,119 --> 01:55:34,000
this and making it so much more difficult and troublesome.

2230
01:55:33,680 --> 01:55:35,600
Speaker 6: Just making someone just go up to your stitches and

2231
01:55:35,680 --> 01:55:44,279
go like this, right, huh, right in the stitch. Sid, Yeah, yeah, sid,

2232
01:55:44,840 --> 01:55:46,640
as he says. And then it didn't quite open up

2233
01:55:46,640 --> 01:55:49,000
as much as they wanted to at first, and then

2234
01:55:49,039 --> 01:55:50,960
they got me a couple more times. The referee did

2235
01:55:51,039 --> 01:55:54,439
so the referee fucking bleed him anyway. I've never done

2236
01:55:54,479 --> 01:55:57,359
that myself, he says. And so then it did open up,

2237
01:55:57,399 --> 01:55:59,000
and I never saw it, but I know I called

2238
01:55:59,039 --> 01:56:02,399
home that night. My family was in tears. It must

2239
01:56:02,439 --> 01:56:03,439
have been pretty scary looking.

2240
01:56:04,039 --> 01:56:04,399
Speaker 2: And it is.

2241
01:56:04,520 --> 01:56:05,079
Speaker 4: It is there.

2242
01:56:05,439 --> 01:56:07,640
Speaker 6: The juice does flow. It takes a while, as he mentions,

2243
01:56:08,319 --> 01:56:10,520
but they do like a big brawl, mostly around ringside

2244
01:56:10,560 --> 01:56:13,880
and stuff. It's it's a very it's kind of like

2245
01:56:13,920 --> 01:56:15,600
a non it's kind of like a non SID match.

2246
01:56:15,640 --> 01:56:18,560
It's like a brody brawl. Yeah yeah, in a way.

2247
01:56:19,600 --> 01:56:23,199
And the reason this blood is so hyper necessary, it's

2248
01:56:23,239 --> 01:56:26,479
because for reasons I can only imagine, h Sid's not

2249
01:56:26,560 --> 01:56:29,159
doing the honors tonight one two three, No, sir, he

2250
01:56:29,279 --> 01:56:33,279
is not doing. They come up with this convoluted blood

2251
01:56:33,319 --> 01:56:37,560
stoppage finish where the match ends. Goldberg has declared the winner,

2252
01:56:37,640 --> 01:56:39,680
and he does look like a badass killer standing over

2253
01:56:39,760 --> 01:56:42,640
the bloodied corpse of Sid after he punches him enough

2254
01:56:42,640 --> 01:56:44,279
times in the head that the referee waves it off.

2255
01:56:45,199 --> 01:56:47,840
On its face, it makes Goldberg perhaps look are stronger

2256
01:56:47,880 --> 01:56:50,199
than a one two three. But as the match plays out,

2257
01:56:50,319 --> 01:56:52,880
and as Sid pops back up from this beating, and

2258
01:56:53,039 --> 01:56:56,760
Rick Steiner comes out, and they all stand around as

2259
01:56:56,800 --> 01:56:59,680
Sid springs back up like a spring chicken from this

2260
01:56:59,760 --> 01:57:02,760
beat down and starts walking up the aisleway and then

2261
01:57:02,800 --> 01:57:04,319
acts like he's going to come back to the ring.

2262
01:57:04,840 --> 01:57:07,560
And then Heenan immediately starts calling out how it wasn't

2263
01:57:07,640 --> 01:57:10,359
a loss for Sid because the referee waved it off.

2264
01:57:10,399 --> 01:57:13,279
Sid didn't quit. You can start to imagine, oh God,

2265
01:57:13,800 --> 01:57:16,359
so the whole way of getting cut was not the

2266
01:57:16,479 --> 01:57:19,119
only convoluted part of figuring this out. I don't think

2267
01:57:19,159 --> 01:57:21,479
Sid showed up to the building with any intention of

2268
01:57:21,560 --> 01:57:25,159
taking the jack camerra. Oh, of course, not any intention whatsoever.

2269
01:57:25,920 --> 01:57:27,520
Speaker 4: And so we end up with here he didn't have

2270
01:57:28,199 --> 01:57:30,640
and he didn't obviously we don't we know he didn't

2271
01:57:30,680 --> 01:57:32,000
have any creative control.

2272
01:57:32,560 --> 01:57:35,000
Speaker 6: Well, no, it's not in the contract, but yeah, but no,

2273
01:57:35,079 --> 01:57:37,000
if he's willing a walk, he pretty much does, right.

2274
01:57:37,039 --> 01:57:41,239
I mean, yeah, if they know that about the man, right,

2275
01:57:42,159 --> 01:57:44,640
and to have heenan like force that point out there,

2276
01:57:44,680 --> 01:57:46,319
to me, I don't know, just smacks of like a

2277
01:57:46,399 --> 01:57:49,359
negotiated settlement with Sid, like, Okay, here's how we get

2278
01:57:49,399 --> 01:57:51,800
the match in the ring, and we'll make short emphasize

2279
01:57:51,840 --> 01:57:53,600
on television that you didn't actually lose to the man,

2280
01:57:53,680 --> 01:57:56,000
because God forbid, that'd be the outcome. That would be ridiculous.

2281
01:57:57,880 --> 01:58:02,199
And you know, Sid wasn't He wasn't derogatory toward Goldberg,

2282
01:58:02,239 --> 01:58:04,359
but he wasn't necessarily complimentary either of a lot of

2283
01:58:04,399 --> 01:58:06,640
the things he said in a shoot interview is I

2284
01:58:06,640 --> 01:58:08,279
talked to him a few times about some things. And

2285
01:58:08,680 --> 01:58:11,159
I'm not saying I'm right about this, but we were

2286
01:58:11,159 --> 01:58:11,760
working together.

2287
01:58:11,880 --> 01:58:12,319
Speaker 4: He was hurt.

2288
01:58:12,560 --> 01:58:13,760
Speaker 6: There wasn't a lot he could do when he had

2289
01:58:13,800 --> 01:58:15,640
a couple of moves that he felt comfortable doing. So

2290
01:58:15,720 --> 01:58:17,239
I said, you know, I set up a few spots

2291
01:58:17,279 --> 01:58:19,279
to where we came into them differently, into the spot

2292
01:58:19,319 --> 01:58:22,279
differently like duck the clothesline or this or that or

2293
01:58:22,399 --> 01:58:25,000
turn around, that he wasn't getting whatever this bump he

2294
01:58:25,079 --> 01:58:27,680
was doing. He says, we already did that to me

2295
01:58:27,760 --> 01:58:29,760
in the ring, and I think to myself, Wow, this

2296
01:58:29,880 --> 01:58:34,600
guy's a little lost, because what do you mean we

2297
01:58:34,640 --> 01:58:36,920
can't lock up more than one time? Can't do more

2298
01:58:36,960 --> 01:58:41,159
than one headlock? To me, that's so juvenile. I'm not juvenile,

2299
01:58:41,199 --> 01:58:43,399
but that's the wrong word. But he just wasn't experienced.

2300
01:58:43,439 --> 01:58:45,600
He was the first to admit that though too okay.

2301
01:58:45,720 --> 01:58:47,079
He was the first to say, Hey, I don't know

2302
01:58:47,199 --> 01:58:49,439
what I'm really doing out here, and he still says that.

2303
01:58:49,520 --> 01:58:52,560
He said that in the Who Killed ww Vice documentary

2304
01:58:52,560 --> 01:58:54,840
as well. Goldberg, Yeah, I didn't know what I was

2305
01:58:54,880 --> 01:58:56,920
doing in the ring, and that allowed a lot of

2306
01:58:56,960 --> 01:59:00,399
people to a take advantage of me and be themselves

2307
01:59:00,399 --> 01:59:03,079
in a dangerous position while wrestling me because he had

2308
01:59:03,119 --> 01:59:05,399
no experience like I had or Hogan had. Sid says

2309
01:59:05,439 --> 01:59:07,720
things like that Bill was really being taken advantage of

2310
01:59:07,920 --> 01:59:09,239
from a lot of people that were able to take

2311
01:59:09,239 --> 01:59:11,800
advantage of him. So he had that little worry. Maybe

2312
01:59:11,920 --> 01:59:16,319
that was happening to him. When Sid would suggest certain

2313
01:59:16,359 --> 01:59:18,880
spots in the body of the match. Sid says, I

2314
01:59:18,920 --> 01:59:20,840
do remember one story. It's sort of funny, but this

2315
01:59:20,960 --> 01:59:23,600
goes along with beginners. We were coming out of Detroit

2316
01:59:23,680 --> 01:59:25,560
one time and this one thing, the finger thing, was

2317
01:59:25,640 --> 01:59:28,279
first implemented the fingering. I don't know what he means

2318
01:59:28,319 --> 01:59:31,960
by the finger thing, actually, so I was asking him,

2319
01:59:31,960 --> 01:59:33,720
we were talking about that, and he says to me, Sid,

2320
01:59:33,800 --> 01:59:36,399
you know, if I can just go one year or

2321
01:59:36,520 --> 01:59:40,399
five years more without anybody kicking out of the jackhammer,

2322
01:59:41,640 --> 01:59:46,319
I'll be Okay. You don't say that to Sid, do you, Boss.

2323
01:59:47,479 --> 01:59:49,039
That's like Dean Malinko asked him if he can do

2324
01:59:49,079 --> 01:59:51,199
a drop toe hold. Okay, you can't even ask Sid

2325
01:59:51,239 --> 01:59:52,800
to take a drop toe hold or else he's going

2326
01:59:52,880 --> 01:59:54,840
to come at you with. How about six power bombs

2327
01:59:54,840 --> 01:59:56,199
in the middle and you don't move? How about that?

2328
01:59:57,000 --> 01:59:59,600
Speaker 4: Yeah? How about I fucking shove your head through the mat.

2329
02:00:00,000 --> 02:00:01,640
Speaker 6: He was such a nice guy and such a team player,

2330
02:00:02,199 --> 02:00:04,199
right whenever anybody asks to get anything on him, he

2331
02:00:04,319 --> 02:00:07,039
just doubled down on the squash nature of the finish.

2332
02:00:07,079 --> 02:00:08,800
Ask van Hammer if you can find him about that.

2333
02:00:11,640 --> 02:00:14,199
And here's the thing about Goldberg. If no one kicks

2334
02:00:14,199 --> 02:00:18,000
out of the jackhammer for five years, Yeah, that would work.

2335
02:00:19,199 --> 02:00:21,840
That would work. I know it's a lot for one guy,

2336
02:00:21,960 --> 02:00:24,239
but it would work. Let's not pretend it wouldn't. So

2337
02:00:25,079 --> 02:00:28,239
I'll be okay, I don't want to. I left myself,

2338
02:00:28,319 --> 02:00:31,079
he says, Sid says, you want someone to kick out

2339
02:00:31,119 --> 02:00:33,039
of that because that'll make money. You want someone to

2340
02:00:33,119 --> 02:00:35,560
kick out of the jackammer. Oh God, here we go, right,

2341
02:00:35,640 --> 02:00:39,239
Jesus Christ, what do you fucking exactly? Apple doesn't fall

2342
02:00:39,319 --> 02:00:43,000
far from the tree. Jesus, that's the wrestling business.

2343
02:00:43,439 --> 02:00:48,760
Speaker 4: Like you convince people that you know that that's screwing

2344
02:00:48,840 --> 02:00:49,560
them as a good thing.

2345
02:00:49,840 --> 02:00:55,039
Speaker 6: Correct, Correct that somehow there's this there are these mythical rules,

2346
02:00:55,159 --> 02:00:57,920
this black magic about the wrestling business that I am

2347
02:00:58,000 --> 02:01:00,199
able to into it, that you're not able to into it.

2348
02:01:00,319 --> 02:01:04,000
Yet that makes the obvious absolutely not obvious. That makes

2349
02:01:04,079 --> 02:01:07,560
the intuitive counterintuitive. That you know, in fact the op

2350
02:01:07,680 --> 02:01:10,279
and every single time, for some reason, the rule always

2351
02:01:10,640 --> 02:01:13,439
seems to skew in the favor of the person who's

2352
02:01:13,479 --> 02:01:15,720
asking to get one over on me in the ring,

2353
02:01:15,800 --> 02:01:17,960
and never in my favor, Never do I stumble into

2354
02:01:18,039 --> 02:01:21,359
the mysteries of the wrestling business in a way that

2355
02:01:21,399 --> 02:01:26,119
benefits me just so. So emblematic of WCW would happened

2356
02:01:26,119 --> 02:01:29,119
to Goldberg and how incapable the superstructure was of adapting

2357
02:01:29,159 --> 02:01:30,560
to the fact that he was the only thing they

2358
02:01:30,600 --> 02:01:32,159
had that anyone gave a shit about by the end

2359
02:01:32,159 --> 02:01:35,720
of nineteen ninety eight, and they just they killed the

2360
02:01:35,760 --> 02:01:37,439
baby in the crib. They couldn't handle it, you know.

2361
02:01:37,800 --> 02:01:40,760
It's like, wow, yep, it's literally like you know, a

2362
02:01:40,880 --> 02:01:43,640
jealous like stepmom like strangling the baby in the crib.

2363
02:01:44,680 --> 02:01:47,560
And so there we go. Another example of it which

2364
02:01:47,560 --> 02:01:49,479
you want is someone to kick out of the jag camera. Oh,

2365
02:01:49,600 --> 02:01:52,600
of of course, never thought of that because that's money. Yeah,

2366
02:01:52,600 --> 02:01:54,880
it's money for you because now people want to see

2367
02:01:54,880 --> 02:01:56,560
you wrestling me again. But I'm money no matter who

2368
02:01:56,560 --> 02:01:59,079
I wrestle, so I don't give a fuck. It should

2369
02:01:59,079 --> 02:02:00,640
be the next guy. Like, there's no more money in

2370
02:02:00,720 --> 02:02:02,760
me wrestling Sid twice than there is in me beating

2371
02:02:02,800 --> 02:02:05,199
Sid and then taken on another guy. Maybe there is,

2372
02:02:05,439 --> 02:02:07,840
But the way they did this, this is what happens.

2373
02:02:07,920 --> 02:02:09,800
This is what you get as a wrestling fan when

2374
02:02:09,840 --> 02:02:13,600
you allow people to get this kind of surgical I

2375
02:02:13,640 --> 02:02:15,840
guess you could say, with how things play out, did

2376
02:02:15,880 --> 02:02:18,600
you get this nonsensical blood stoppage finished that Sid does

2377
02:02:18,680 --> 02:02:21,239
not sell at all, and you just end up with

2378
02:02:21,439 --> 02:02:23,880
like this messaging hitting you over the head that yeah,

2379
02:02:23,920 --> 02:02:26,000
Sid lost the match, but Kmodi didn't really lose the match.

2380
02:02:26,520 --> 02:02:28,800
So in other words, Boss fans are served by the

2381
02:02:28,960 --> 02:02:31,960
ultimate showdown that they've been building all these months between

2382
02:02:32,000 --> 02:02:33,319
Goldberg and Sid and WCW.

2383
02:02:33,760 --> 02:02:34,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, totally.

2384
02:02:35,560 --> 02:02:37,600
Speaker 6: During this run as well, there was a nice little

2385
02:02:37,640 --> 02:02:39,960
slice of moment, slice of life moment that we didn't

2386
02:02:40,000 --> 02:02:41,840
really know what to make of at the time it happened.

2387
02:02:42,000 --> 02:02:44,119
But there was a nitro not too far from Sid's

2388
02:02:44,119 --> 02:02:46,560
hometown where Sid was led to the ring by a

2389
02:02:46,640 --> 02:02:50,239
young man who appeared to have down syndrome or disability

2390
02:02:50,920 --> 02:02:54,119
or some kind of developmental problem. And it was a

2391
02:02:54,439 --> 02:02:57,439
Russo Nitro in late nineteen ninety nine. And it's just,

2392
02:02:57,520 --> 02:02:59,520
I don't know, just a little something worth highlighting about Sid.

2393
02:02:59,560 --> 02:03:02,319
The kid not to be his neighbor, Okay, a kid

2394
02:03:02,319 --> 02:03:05,560
who lived next to him in West Memphis and and

2395
02:03:05,880 --> 02:03:07,840
just was such a big Sid fan and just such

2396
02:03:07,880 --> 02:03:09,920
a fan of being around Sid in the wrestling business.

2397
02:03:09,960 --> 02:03:12,600
That Sid found a way to get WW to gree

2398
02:03:12,640 --> 02:03:14,000
to let this kid walk him to the ring one

2399
02:03:14,039 --> 02:03:15,720
time and do a backstage interview, and the kid was

2400
02:03:15,800 --> 02:03:18,199
hilarious doing like faces. I say, kid. I'm actually not

2401
02:03:18,239 --> 02:03:19,439
sure how old he was. He might have been like

2402
02:03:19,479 --> 02:03:23,359
a teenager or even like early twenties. But it's a

2403
02:03:23,359 --> 02:03:24,880
great moment if you can find that. It doesn't make

2404
02:03:24,880 --> 02:03:26,800
any sense in context, like they don't really explain it,

2405
02:03:26,880 --> 02:03:28,760
but Sid is just there. But it's nice to know,

2406
02:03:28,800 --> 02:03:30,760
all those years later what the story was there, and

2407
02:03:30,800 --> 02:03:33,359
that Sid just wanted to extend a hand and give

2408
02:03:33,399 --> 02:03:36,520
a moment in the limelight to somebody that that he

2409
02:03:37,199 --> 02:03:38,880
he thought deserved it and thought would get a real

2410
02:03:39,000 --> 02:03:40,840
kick and thrill out of it. So Sid had a

2411
02:03:40,880 --> 02:03:43,119
manager for one night, Boss and it wasn't Harvey Wipplman.

2412
02:03:43,840 --> 02:03:44,520
Speaker 4: It's bizarre.

2413
02:03:44,920 --> 02:03:47,319
Speaker 6: So we tip Burke can't just Sid. That's the part

2414
02:03:47,359 --> 02:03:49,079
of Sid that does the pop tops of the church,

2415
02:03:49,199 --> 02:03:51,960
you know, And yeah, all of that, you know, he

2416
02:03:52,359 --> 02:03:54,800
was wherever you might say about how he conducted his

2417
02:03:54,840 --> 02:03:57,640
personal affairs, he was a humanitarian. He did spend a

2418
02:03:57,720 --> 02:03:59,439
lot of time when he didn't have to talking and

2419
02:03:59,479 --> 02:04:04,600
thinking about out people other than himself or his immediate circle.

2420
02:04:05,560 --> 02:04:08,439
Very concerned with like poverty and childhood, poverty and things,

2421
02:04:08,520 --> 02:04:10,880
and he brought those things up enough over the course

2422
02:04:10,920 --> 02:04:12,920
of enough interviews that I think it's a genuine part

2423
02:04:12,920 --> 02:04:16,119
of who he was and not some put on like

2424
02:04:16,159 --> 02:04:18,399
it all so often is when wrestlers find religion later

2425
02:04:18,439 --> 02:04:20,920
in their lives, you know how that goes. It's really

2426
02:04:20,960 --> 02:04:23,279
confusing with sid because a churchman, a churchman, you know,

2427
02:04:24,560 --> 02:04:28,560
Saint Mary's Cathedral, pop Top, Vienna's all that. You would

2428
02:04:28,560 --> 02:04:30,520
think he was like a lifelong Christian man from down

2429
02:04:30,600 --> 02:04:32,680
that part of the country, but he wasn't. He was

2430
02:04:32,800 --> 02:04:35,119
very straightforward in his interviews saying he was never religious

2431
02:04:35,119 --> 02:04:37,960
growing up. You know, the man was born in Washington

2432
02:04:38,000 --> 02:04:41,199
State on an air base and moved around a lot,

2433
02:04:41,319 --> 02:04:42,960
and had a stepfather more than he had a father,

2434
02:04:43,039 --> 02:04:45,399
it sounds like, and you know, he didn't really have

2435
02:04:45,600 --> 02:04:47,960
like a very nuclear family life coming up in the world.

2436
02:04:48,000 --> 02:04:50,359
So he discovered this kind of spiritual side of himself

2437
02:04:50,439 --> 02:04:52,920
later on. And I just think every now and then

2438
02:04:53,000 --> 02:04:54,680
along this journey, we need to dip our cap to

2439
02:04:54,760 --> 02:04:57,159
that because that's the part of Sid, even if they

2440
02:04:57,199 --> 02:04:59,880
shouldn't necessarily remember that part of him as much as

2441
02:05:00,000 --> 02:05:03,239
they do forgetting everything else he did. Yeah, you know,

2442
02:05:03,319 --> 02:05:05,319
it's hard to it's hard to call a guy who

2443
02:05:05,359 --> 02:05:08,039
almost stabbed arnators and to death the great humanitarian. But

2444
02:05:08,119 --> 02:05:11,399
yet that's where we are. Yeah, I know, that's kind

2445
02:05:11,399 --> 02:05:14,119
of thing, like what the fuck right? You observe him

2446
02:05:14,680 --> 02:05:17,560
week after week in his prime and it's like, no,

2447
02:05:17,680 --> 02:05:20,680
this guy doesn't. This guy definitely didn't have the reputation

2448
02:05:20,800 --> 02:05:22,840
of that. It's like the SID they're describing just was

2449
02:05:22,960 --> 02:05:25,239
not evident to the wrestling fan while he was going

2450
02:05:25,319 --> 02:05:27,960
through the machinations of his years on top and the

2451
02:05:28,039 --> 02:05:32,000
companies he worked for. But that's wrestling. That's why it's

2452
02:05:32,039 --> 02:05:36,000
worth engaging with shoot interviews and books and things like that,

2453
02:05:36,159 --> 02:05:39,079
because you discover that the guy that you knew as

2454
02:05:39,119 --> 02:05:41,239
a fan was like only half of the person that

2455
02:05:42,560 --> 02:05:44,520
people in the business who worked with him and people

2456
02:05:44,520 --> 02:05:47,640
who knew him personally actually remember. So we're locked and

2457
02:05:47,680 --> 02:05:50,239
loaded on Sid now that the Goldberg programs out of

2458
02:05:50,279 --> 02:05:51,479
the way, and now he's going to be on his

2459
02:05:51,600 --> 02:05:54,479
way to being a world champion in WCW. As the

2460
02:05:54,560 --> 02:05:58,119
nineteen ninety nine becomes two thousand, so weird ass. I've

2461
02:05:58,359 --> 02:06:02,880
forwarded you a copy of World Championship Wrestling Magazine. We've

2462
02:06:03,079 --> 02:06:05,279
taken care throughout the course of this Sid journey to

2463
02:06:06,000 --> 02:06:08,920
use wrestling magazine coverage as sort of a signpost to

2464
02:06:08,960 --> 02:06:12,439
where Sid stood and his respective pit stops and wrestling.

2465
02:06:13,159 --> 02:06:15,279
He looked at one of the early WCW magazines when

2466
02:06:15,319 --> 02:06:17,399
he was coming out of the Four Horsemen and how

2467
02:06:17,439 --> 02:06:19,680
he was framed there. We looked at, you know, a

2468
02:06:19,760 --> 02:06:23,359
Vince Russo written WWF magazine article where he's carrying on

2469
02:06:23,520 --> 02:06:25,119
and on and kind of like a half shoot style

2470
02:06:25,239 --> 02:06:27,359
outside of the Cheers Bar in Boston, you remember that

2471
02:06:28,399 --> 02:06:31,479
bizarre and they had that focus issue of that magazine

2472
02:06:31,479 --> 02:06:33,800
they used to do just on him where he talked

2473
02:06:33,800 --> 02:06:37,039
about hunting and having taxidermy fucking deer heads on his

2474
02:06:37,119 --> 02:06:39,399
wall and all that shit. So it's a great way

2475
02:06:39,399 --> 02:06:40,800
to get to know more about the man. And here

2476
02:06:41,159 --> 02:06:43,479
at a time when the ww magazine was helmed by

2477
02:06:43,880 --> 02:06:47,079
former guest on the show, Kevin Eck, they took a

2478
02:06:47,199 --> 02:06:50,000
much more kind of shoot style approach in that the

2479
02:06:50,079 --> 02:06:52,560
stuff the wrestlers were saying in the pages of this magazine,

2480
02:06:52,760 --> 02:06:55,000
were very rarely about the storylines they were involved in,

2481
02:06:55,359 --> 02:06:58,159
and more about the legitimate nature of who they were

2482
02:06:58,199 --> 02:07:00,399
and where they saw themselves in the business, and wanted

2483
02:07:00,439 --> 02:07:02,680
to go very little in the way of speaking in

2484
02:07:02,800 --> 02:07:06,119
k fabe. In the Kevin Eck WCW magazine Days and

2485
02:07:06,199 --> 02:07:08,239
So here is an article that places us in a

2486
02:07:08,279 --> 02:07:12,039
particular point in time where Sid justifies front coverage from

2487
02:07:12,079 --> 02:07:14,279
page coverage in the WW magazine here in two thousand

2488
02:07:15,000 --> 02:07:17,319
and Uh, it's a great way to turn the page

2489
02:07:17,319 --> 02:07:19,960
into the new millennium for the millennium man, So Boston,

2490
02:07:20,359 --> 02:07:20,920
if you could.

2491
02:07:22,159 --> 02:07:28,239
Speaker 4: Sid's world, Oh my god, that's horrifying. He's going to

2492
02:07:28,239 --> 02:07:30,560
see his face like he's just like he's on uh

2493
02:07:30,720 --> 02:07:34,000
oh yeah, he's on a four wheeler, all right, and

2494
02:07:34,159 --> 02:07:37,399
he's just like his face is beat red and he

2495
02:07:37,560 --> 02:07:41,000
has just got his mouth wide open, just screaming at

2496
02:07:41,000 --> 02:07:44,560
the top of his lungs, and it's very uncomfortable.

2497
02:07:44,560 --> 02:07:46,239
Speaker 6: That's one thing. As camera friendly as he was, he

2498
02:07:46,479 --> 02:07:50,000
was still camera friendly. He was still photo friendly.

2499
02:07:50,880 --> 02:07:51,239
Speaker 4: This guy.

2500
02:07:51,279 --> 02:07:53,479
Speaker 6: There's some money shots of him holding like the globe,

2501
02:07:53,680 --> 02:07:55,119
like a psychled look on his face.

2502
02:07:55,239 --> 02:07:57,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, he just he always looks fucking awful.

2503
02:07:57,840 --> 02:08:00,800
He's very uh in a good way. Yeah, yeah, he's

2504
02:08:00,920 --> 02:08:06,479
very photogetic. Twenty minutes northwest of Memphis International Airport, across

2505
02:08:06,520 --> 02:08:11,119
the Mississippi River sits Marion, Arkansas, a quiet country town

2506
02:08:11,239 --> 02:08:14,720
and the home of a WCW superstar. The setting seems

2507
02:08:14,800 --> 02:08:17,199
rather odd for a man of sid vicious nature, but

2508
02:08:17,319 --> 02:08:20,600
it's a peaceful and seemingly a world away from the hectic,

2509
02:08:20,760 --> 02:08:25,760
violent world of professional wrestling. Here Vicious can hunt, ride

2510
02:08:25,840 --> 02:08:29,039
his four wheeler, relax, and spend time with his family

2511
02:08:29,119 --> 02:08:33,640
without interruption. The great thing about Marion is you're fifteen

2512
02:08:33,680 --> 02:08:36,439
minutes away from Memphis, which is a big city with

2513
02:08:36,520 --> 02:08:39,520
all the luxuries of life, says Vicious, who lives in

2514
02:08:39,920 --> 02:08:44,039
the upscale River Trace section of Marion. He is a

2515
02:08:44,279 --> 02:08:47,279
five minute drive from the Griffin gas station.

2516
02:08:48,640 --> 02:08:50,000
Speaker 6: Oh fascinating. Tell me more.

2517
02:08:50,520 --> 02:08:54,760
Speaker 4: Fuck cares a oh a minute down the road from

2518
02:08:54,880 --> 02:08:58,439
the shake Shack. That's okay, all right, I'm with you

2519
02:08:58,520 --> 02:09:00,600
on that. One and two more and it's from the

2520
02:09:00,760 --> 02:09:05,760
Hallmark in All Rooms twenty nine ninety five. Vicious neat

2521
02:09:06,079 --> 02:09:10,840
two story home sits in an exclusive neighborhood. The interior

2522
02:09:10,960 --> 02:09:14,199
is conservatively decorated by Sid's wife, who owns an extensive

2523
02:09:16,399 --> 02:09:17,159
doll collection.

2524
02:09:17,560 --> 02:09:20,960
Speaker 6: Oh boy, does she have any Sid dolls.

2525
02:09:21,239 --> 02:09:22,800
Speaker 4: Like you, Matt? Oh, just can you just imagine, like,

2526
02:09:23,239 --> 02:09:25,119
you know, like one of those places where you get

2527
02:09:25,159 --> 02:09:27,760
dolls like on the bed, like the guest room, and

2528
02:09:27,800 --> 02:09:29,399
you get like dolls in the bed.

2529
02:09:29,279 --> 02:09:31,239
Speaker 6: And there's always a doll in the in the in

2530
02:09:31,279 --> 02:09:31,720
the guest.

2531
02:09:32,319 --> 02:09:36,000
Speaker 4: And she's like, you know, she's she's moved the head

2532
02:09:36,039 --> 02:09:38,000
so that the doll is like you're opening the door,

2533
02:09:38,039 --> 02:09:40,439
and the dolls are looking at you. Even though the

2534
02:09:40,479 --> 02:09:44,039
bed's not facing towards the door, the dolls are facing

2535
02:09:44,079 --> 02:09:45,119
towards you, and.

2536
02:09:45,159 --> 02:09:46,239
Speaker 6: They all seem to be going.

2537
02:09:51,039 --> 02:09:56,680
Speaker 4: La la la la, la, la, la, la la la.

2538
02:09:57,680 --> 02:09:58,760
Speaker 6: Welcome to the Udi Home.

2539
02:10:02,239 --> 02:10:05,920
Speaker 4: An upstairs room houses Sid's office. He owns a computer

2540
02:10:06,840 --> 02:10:11,560
and he has become familiar with the power of the Internet.

2541
02:10:11,760 --> 02:10:12,479
Speaker 6: Don't say.

2542
02:10:13,840 --> 02:10:16,960
Speaker 4: That's good, Jesus, what the same picture? And then I

2543
02:10:17,039 --> 02:10:18,920
gotta zoom out here for a second. I don't know

2544
02:10:19,000 --> 02:10:22,279
why this is May's Oh, I see what happened here?

2545
02:10:22,359 --> 02:10:27,760
Never mind, it's you got double page. He recently purchased

2546
02:10:28,000 --> 02:10:31,119
the right to sid vicious dot.

2547
02:10:31,039 --> 02:10:32,199
Speaker 6: Com doesn't exist.

2548
02:10:32,239 --> 02:10:34,800
Speaker 4: Anymore, of course not. He has keen. I'm sure it

2549
02:10:34,880 --> 02:10:38,119
never existed. Actually I didn't. I'm sure never. He owned

2550
02:10:38,319 --> 02:10:42,279
the the website, but nothing ever happened with it.

2551
02:10:42,520 --> 02:10:44,239
Speaker 6: There's a reason he puts it that way. I purchased

2552
02:10:44,279 --> 02:10:47,039
the rights too, right. I spent a good amount of

2553
02:10:47,079 --> 02:10:48,680
time in the way back machine, and I couldn't find

2554
02:10:48,720 --> 02:10:50,000
anything at sid vicious dot com.

2555
02:10:50,279 --> 02:10:53,760
Speaker 4: I guarantee you there was nothing there. He has keen

2556
02:10:53,880 --> 02:10:56,800
business since and wants to maintain control of his name

2557
02:10:56,880 --> 02:10:57,520
and character.

2558
02:10:58,079 --> 02:10:58,439
Speaker 2: He is.

2559
02:10:58,520 --> 02:11:00,720
Speaker 4: His office also holds a tanning bed.

2560
02:11:01,079 --> 02:11:03,199
Speaker 6: Brother, he has a tanning bed in his office.

2561
02:11:03,279 --> 02:11:07,640
Speaker 4: That's weird. Of course he does stationary bicycle, isn't it

2562
02:11:07,800 --> 02:11:09,000
just called an exercise bike.

2563
02:11:09,560 --> 02:11:13,199
Speaker 6: A stationary bicycle is also called a bicycle.

2564
02:11:14,119 --> 02:11:15,039
Speaker 4: It's also called a.

2565
02:11:16,520 --> 02:11:20,159
Speaker 6: I don't know, a statue, yeah, or a well what

2566
02:11:20,279 --> 02:11:22,880
it ends up being in most cases a fucking clothes hanger.

2567
02:11:23,119 --> 02:11:28,399
Speaker 4: Exactly, and loads of memories packed inside photo albums. The

2568
02:11:28,560 --> 02:11:35,079
backyard garden features tomatoes, peas, melons, beans, peppers, squash, okra,

2569
02:11:35,239 --> 02:11:38,840
and corn. Often the goods are distributed to the areas

2570
02:11:38,920 --> 02:11:42,600
poor yep. Also in the backyard is a swimming pool,

2571
02:11:42,720 --> 02:11:46,319
rarely used by the man of the house. That's a

2572
02:11:47,279 --> 02:11:48,960
so thank you for telling me that he lives in

2573
02:11:49,039 --> 02:11:52,159
this big house and he wastes his pool.

2574
02:11:52,279 --> 02:11:53,880
Speaker 6: Here's my pool. I never go in it though.

2575
02:11:54,159 --> 02:11:56,319
Speaker 4: Yeah, I have a pool in the back, but I

2576
02:11:56,399 --> 02:11:59,119
don't ever use it. I'm actually not a fan of pools.

2577
02:12:00,279 --> 02:12:05,520
I don't allow them to be used by anybody in

2578
02:12:05,600 --> 02:12:08,159
a batting cage. And of course he does and pitching

2579
02:12:08,239 --> 02:12:11,800
machine that enables Vicious to indulge his long standing passion

2580
02:12:11,960 --> 02:12:13,079
for softball.

2581
02:12:13,159 --> 02:12:13,520
Speaker 6: Awesome.

2582
02:12:14,079 --> 02:12:16,359
Speaker 4: He enjoys the sport so much that often he has

2583
02:12:16,439 --> 02:12:19,720
been labeled a part time wrestler and a full time

2584
02:12:19,880 --> 02:12:23,760
softball player right there in the company magazine. People say,

2585
02:12:23,800 --> 02:12:28,079
I'd rather play softball than wrestling. That's ridiculous. Happy years

2586
02:12:28,079 --> 02:12:30,920
ago was I had surgery and I couldn't and didn't

2587
02:12:31,000 --> 02:12:34,000
quite look the way I did when I left, so

2588
02:12:34,119 --> 02:12:37,640
I was told stay home to improve my shape. I

2589
02:12:37,760 --> 02:12:40,439
did that, and since it was summer, I played softball.

2590
02:12:41,279 --> 02:12:43,600
Before you know it, we're got out that I was

2591
02:12:43,680 --> 02:12:47,760
out playing softball instead of wrestling. On another occasion, I

2592
02:12:47,840 --> 02:12:54,520
was leaving the WWE for WCW while while I was

2593
02:12:54,600 --> 02:12:57,119
waiting for my release from the WWE. I was in

2594
02:12:57,279 --> 02:13:01,359
limbo job wise, since it was a summer, I played softball.

2595
02:13:03,159 --> 02:13:07,520
I love softball, but I never plays at of wrestling

2596
02:13:08,359 --> 02:13:12,319
or do anything that wasn't making a better future for

2597
02:13:12,439 --> 02:13:14,680
my family. That doesn't make sense.

2598
02:13:14,880 --> 02:13:18,239
Speaker 6: So here we're going to introduce you to Sid's life,

2599
02:13:18,319 --> 02:13:21,000
his home, his environment, and we're going to show you

2600
02:13:21,079 --> 02:13:22,800
that it's batting cage. And then we're going to turn

2601
02:13:22,880 --> 02:13:27,039
over three paragraphs to him right prevaricating about him.

2602
02:13:27,199 --> 02:13:32,000
Speaker 4: How he would never do anything to, you know, potentially

2603
02:13:32,159 --> 02:13:33,000
damage his career.

2604
02:13:33,359 --> 02:13:37,079
Speaker 6: He offers the defense as well as the accusation right now,

2605
02:13:37,199 --> 02:13:39,800
not even brings it up, launching it in his defense.

2606
02:13:41,159 --> 02:13:44,560
Speaker 4: Vicious about the pitching machine years ago for his son Frank,

2607
02:13:45,039 --> 02:13:47,520
who uses the cage during the summer, often taking two

2608
02:13:47,640 --> 02:13:49,479
hundred to three hundred cuts a day.

2609
02:13:49,520 --> 02:13:51,479
Speaker 6: It's only he take two hundred to three hundred cases

2610
02:13:51,560 --> 02:13:51,880
a day.

2611
02:13:52,359 --> 02:13:54,359
Speaker 4: If only that piece of shit would take two hundred

2612
02:13:54,399 --> 02:13:59,319
cases of vienn It's a goddamn cathedral. We're supposed to

2613
02:13:59,319 --> 02:13:59,880
be fucking.

2614
02:13:59,680 --> 02:14:04,760
Speaker 6: Christian, right, They don't have enough for the pop top

2615
02:14:07,439 --> 02:14:13,640
i like pop tarts And a related note, I understand

2616
02:14:13,640 --> 02:14:15,319
the van has also come with the packs of crackers,

2617
02:14:16,239 --> 02:14:24,399
water water, a moon pie. Sometimes eat moon pie. I

2618
02:14:24,479 --> 02:14:26,760
want to tell you something, big secarette about moon pie.

2619
02:14:26,880 --> 02:14:27,880
It's not from the moon.

2620
02:14:29,159 --> 02:14:29,640
Speaker 4: Do you know that?

2621
02:14:30,840 --> 02:14:30,880
Speaker 12: No?

2622
02:14:31,159 --> 02:14:31,560
Speaker 2: No, I do.

2623
02:14:33,039 --> 02:14:33,600
Speaker 3: I don't know that.

2624
02:14:34,560 --> 02:14:37,479
Speaker 18: He sent my church in case of Vienna sausages, and

2625
02:14:37,600 --> 02:14:39,239
I sent him an autograph picture.

2626
02:14:41,119 --> 02:14:43,439
Speaker 4: It's like the biggest Like who gives a ship?

2627
02:14:45,199 --> 02:14:45,319
Speaker 8: Uh?

2628
02:14:45,560 --> 02:14:51,520
Speaker 4: Vicious? H I hope he was a fan. I don't remember,

2629
02:14:52,840 --> 02:14:54,720
you know, like, I hope he wasn't a stranger. Who's like,

2630
02:14:54,760 --> 02:14:57,760
where the fuck is this? Said Vicious? Listen I used

2631
02:14:57,800 --> 02:15:01,119
to love Sid Vicious say goddamn sit Vicious. Oh man,

2632
02:15:01,279 --> 02:15:04,359
I know side listen to dad damn records. Is this

2633
02:15:04,439 --> 02:15:05,880
ship is blonde? Bitch? I know?

2634
02:15:06,119 --> 02:15:06,319
Speaker 6: Sid?

2635
02:15:06,800 --> 02:15:14,800
Speaker 4: He says, Vicious brought bought the pitching machine. Ears Oh yes, Frank.

2636
02:15:15,399 --> 02:15:15,520
Speaker 7: Uh.

2637
02:15:15,880 --> 02:15:20,159
Speaker 4: Softball is a little black wrestling. It's a team. It's

2638
02:15:20,199 --> 02:15:24,880
all about the camaraderie, the competition, says Vicious, a powerful

2639
02:15:25,239 --> 02:15:30,840
home run hitter who played for the Memphis Socks and

2640
02:15:31,000 --> 02:15:33,279
other top level slow pitch teams.

2641
02:15:34,960 --> 02:15:36,960
Speaker 6: Let me ask you a question. When he says softball

2642
02:15:37,039 --> 02:15:38,680
is a little like wrestling and says it's a team,

2643
02:15:40,199 --> 02:15:43,439
what's he talking about? I feel wrestling is not a

2644
02:15:43,479 --> 02:15:44,319
team at all.

2645
02:15:44,720 --> 02:15:47,279
Speaker 4: Wrestling is not about being Maybe maybe he's like breaking

2646
02:15:47,439 --> 02:15:51,119
the fourth wall on KFE there. I don't know. I

2647
02:15:51,239 --> 02:15:55,640
miss softball, he says, I always wish. So here he

2648
02:15:55,960 --> 02:15:59,800
just yes three paragraphs later, three paragraphs after saying he'd

2649
02:15:59,800 --> 02:16:03,920
write he would never choose softball over wrestling. I miss softball.

2650
02:16:04,239 --> 02:16:06,199
I always wish I could have been able to play

2651
02:16:06,279 --> 02:16:10,399
pro baseball. His favorite baseball team is the Saint Louis Cardinals.

2652
02:16:11,039 --> 02:16:14,439
His all time favorite player is Babe Ruth. There's just

2653
02:16:14,560 --> 02:16:15,680
something magic.

2654
02:16:15,439 --> 02:16:16,159
Speaker 8: About that guy.

2655
02:16:16,239 --> 02:16:18,479
Speaker 6: Yeah, you saw him live so many times.

2656
02:16:19,680 --> 02:16:22,319
Speaker 4: You know when I go see Babe Ruth Wressell.

2657
02:16:22,840 --> 02:16:29,960
Speaker 6: Wait a minute, I'm doing the math. George Herman Ruth.

2658
02:16:31,840 --> 02:16:32,799
That's his wrestling name.

2659
02:16:33,680 --> 02:16:34,440
Speaker 4: Yeah, of course.

2660
02:16:36,000 --> 02:16:36,120
Speaker 7: Uh.

2661
02:16:36,920 --> 02:16:40,159
Speaker 4: Today Vicious is an Atlanta Braves fan and regularly wears

2662
02:16:40,319 --> 02:16:41,959
a New York Yankees cap.

2663
02:16:42,079 --> 02:16:46,319
Speaker 6: Okay, wait a minute, so hold on what So his

2664
02:16:46,520 --> 02:16:49,600
favorite team is the Cardinals. But he's an Atlanta Braves

2665
02:16:49,680 --> 02:16:51,600
fan who wears a Yankees cap?

2666
02:16:52,319 --> 02:16:54,239
Speaker 4: Right? Who were the Yankees? This guy does not know

2667
02:16:54,399 --> 02:16:56,600
shit about baseball? All right?

2668
02:16:57,280 --> 02:17:00,799
Speaker 6: Well, I'll tell you he doesn't know about his preferences

2669
02:17:00,879 --> 02:17:01,440
for baseball.

2670
02:17:03,040 --> 02:17:04,799
Speaker 4: Let me tell you some I want to tell you something.

2671
02:17:04,840 --> 02:17:06,879
You can say whatever you want about me, but I

2672
02:17:06,920 --> 02:17:08,319
don't know shit about baseball.

2673
02:17:08,440 --> 02:17:10,520
Speaker 6: That is a doozy of a paragraph right there.

2674
02:17:11,120 --> 02:17:14,760
Speaker 4: That really is. When he's not on the road, Vicious'

2675
02:17:14,959 --> 02:17:19,280
day starts at six a m. But what's this? Wouldn't

2676
02:17:19,280 --> 02:17:20,840
he normally do that too, like to get up and

2677
02:17:20,840 --> 02:17:22,879
go to the gym before a show, I don't know,

2678
02:17:23,680 --> 02:17:27,920
after his usual breakfast of ten egg whites, sweet potatoes,

2679
02:17:28,559 --> 02:17:35,520
and coffee sweetened with honey. Frank, you get the honey.

2680
02:17:35,840 --> 02:17:40,799
Why does that make me laugh so much? Because it's

2681
02:17:40,799 --> 02:17:43,200
like the last person you'd think would kind of care

2682
02:17:43,239 --> 02:17:44,399
about coffee that way.

2683
02:17:44,799 --> 02:17:48,840
Speaker 6: Exactly a little dollup, you know, Oh God.

2684
02:17:48,799 --> 02:17:55,000
Speaker 4: Frank, Frank, Frank, you usually last of the honey. Because

2685
02:17:55,040 --> 02:17:58,000
I won the cupboard and I was looking for my honey,

2686
02:18:01,120 --> 02:18:05,319
and you see that label says Dad's honey. Don't touch Frank.

2687
02:18:06,159 --> 02:18:07,040
That's really good.

2688
02:18:07,200 --> 02:18:12,639
Speaker 6: But that's really good Dad's honey. I'm trying to remember

2689
02:18:12,680 --> 02:18:16,680
how he said it was great, honey, don't touch, don't

2690
02:18:16,760 --> 02:18:20,440
touch Frank. There's only one person in the house we

2691
02:18:20,600 --> 02:18:24,879
try to touch. It's God, another son. He's got a daughter.

2692
02:18:25,040 --> 02:18:27,879
No fucks so funny, Oh my god.

2693
02:18:29,680 --> 02:18:32,040
Speaker 4: He drives twenty minutes to a Golds gym in Memphis.

2694
02:18:32,760 --> 02:18:34,680
He has a small gym in his garage, but he

2695
02:18:34,719 --> 02:18:37,959
prefers the atmosphere and the friendships he's developed at Gold's.

2696
02:18:38,360 --> 02:18:43,399
At Gold's, Vicious faithfully adheres to his routine. We developed

2697
02:18:43,440 --> 02:18:46,639
goodworth ethic early in life. It's going to carry through

2698
02:18:46,799 --> 02:18:50,479
the rest of your life. My sons, Frank and Gunner

2699
02:18:51,120 --> 02:18:55,959
are fucking idiots, are the same way. Frank, fifteen is

2700
02:18:56,040 --> 02:18:58,200
a straight a student. Gunner is six.

2701
02:18:58,879 --> 02:19:00,479
Speaker 6: So that's what all we can say about him at

2702
02:19:00,479 --> 02:19:00,799
this point.

2703
02:19:01,040 --> 02:19:03,399
Speaker 4: So how does he he has a good work ethic

2704
02:19:03,399 --> 02:19:07,000
at age six? That's where we're at. Okay, yeah, uh.

2705
02:19:07,079 --> 02:19:09,239
Vicious takes a pessimistic.

2706
02:19:12,280 --> 02:19:16,040
Speaker 6: Uh oh, I don't like where this is going.

2707
02:19:20,399 --> 02:19:28,520
Speaker 4: Vicious takes a pessimistic approach to Frank. Go ahead, go ahead,

2708
02:19:28,520 --> 02:19:32,520
finish the fact, often motivating his son by telling him

2709
02:19:32,760 --> 02:19:35,000
he's not doing as well as expected.

2710
02:19:42,840 --> 02:19:45,159
Speaker 6: See, just when you want to say, like, that's the

2711
02:19:45,200 --> 02:19:48,239
thing about Sid, he's a family man, like and then

2712
02:19:48,280 --> 02:19:50,639
you read these little twists like this, like what you

2713
02:19:50,680 --> 02:19:52,920
see him on Big Brother, his son. It's like this

2714
02:19:53,120 --> 02:19:56,879
guy is like, oh my god, this guy is kind

2715
02:19:56,920 --> 02:19:57,719
of a weird dad.

2716
02:19:58,280 --> 02:20:00,319
Speaker 4: I mean the fact that he picks on Frank. I mean,

2717
02:20:00,600 --> 02:20:03,840
I you know, I mean, that's lap serendipity right there.

2718
02:20:04,000 --> 02:20:08,159
We were expecting. Oh my god, I didn't expect that.

2719
02:20:08,200 --> 02:20:09,760
I'll tell you what. I didn't expect to see him

2720
02:20:09,760 --> 02:20:13,920
writing right all right, I know, like he clearly volunteered

2721
02:20:13,959 --> 02:20:16,200
that with Bride for the author to feel comfortable putting

2722
02:20:16,200 --> 02:20:20,639
in the article. Still, Frank maintains a ninety nine average.

2723
02:20:21,239 --> 02:20:23,840
Don't accept anything less than one hundred, and he knows that.

2724
02:20:23,920 --> 02:20:25,680
Speaker 6: Oh my god, what's the quote against say it?

2725
02:20:27,000 --> 02:20:30,959
Speaker 4: So the writer goes Frank maintains a ninety nine average,

2726
02:20:32,840 --> 02:20:37,559
Sid says, quote, I don't accept anything less than one hundred,

2727
02:20:38,360 --> 02:20:39,239
and he knows that.

2728
02:20:40,040 --> 02:20:44,239
Speaker 6: Yeah, that sounds fine, right, that's not like sign of

2729
02:20:45,040 --> 02:20:46,040
trouble totally.

2730
02:20:46,360 --> 02:20:48,280
Speaker 4: I mean not only that, but it's a total. It's

2731
02:20:48,399 --> 02:20:50,239
goals that are easily achievable. All right.

2732
02:20:50,399 --> 02:20:52,079
Speaker 6: I'm glad we agree with that, because I wasn't sure

2733
02:20:52,120 --> 02:20:53,479
if I was on another planet for a second.

2734
02:20:53,559 --> 02:20:56,000
Speaker 4: Listen, what the fuck I mean, what do you expect?

2735
02:20:56,959 --> 02:20:58,840
You get a hundred or you fucking get killed?

2736
02:21:00,000 --> 02:21:00,239
Speaker 6: Thank you.

2737
02:21:00,280 --> 02:21:02,520
Speaker 4: Know, as we sit here and tribute to your father today,

2738
02:21:02,559 --> 02:21:04,319
I do wonder what you think about this quote that

2739
02:21:04,440 --> 02:21:08,360
he once gaves WW magazine. Frank, I want to tell

2740
02:21:08,360 --> 02:21:13,680
you something. I'm speaking to you from the beyond. You

2741
02:21:13,760 --> 02:21:16,680
get anything less than one hundred, I will bring you,

2742
02:21:17,120 --> 02:21:19,200
drag you up here with me. Right.

2743
02:21:21,959 --> 02:21:25,920
Speaker 8: I'm watching you day and night. A none to nine, Frank,

2744
02:21:27,879 --> 02:21:31,159
an nine is not acceptable. Do you know what the

2745
02:21:31,200 --> 02:21:32,440
penalty is for a nine to nine?

2746
02:21:32,479 --> 02:21:32,760
Speaker 4: Frank?

2747
02:21:36,239 --> 02:21:36,440
Speaker 7: Yeah?

2748
02:21:41,440 --> 02:21:43,000
Speaker 6: Yeah, So at least we're not taking it too far.

2749
02:21:43,200 --> 02:21:46,799
That's what's good about the bits we keep it fenced in,

2750
02:21:47,079 --> 02:21:47,280
you know.

2751
02:21:47,520 --> 02:21:51,280
Speaker 4: Right, we always we never crossed that line into inappropriate.

2752
02:21:52,200 --> 02:21:52,319
Speaker 13: Uh.

2753
02:21:52,479 --> 02:21:56,639
Speaker 4: Vicious often gets autographs for Frank from celebrities at WCW events.

2754
02:21:57,920 --> 02:21:58,680
Speaker 6: So are you saying?

2755
02:21:58,760 --> 02:21:59,879
Speaker 4: Who are you?

2756
02:22:00,079 --> 02:22:04,399
Speaker 6: Are you saying? He gets Frank an autographed picture.

2757
02:22:08,719 --> 02:22:11,319
Speaker 4: See I tell you this. When Frank delivers the Vienna's,

2758
02:22:11,319 --> 02:22:13,040
I'll give him an autograph picture.

2759
02:22:18,200 --> 02:22:18,520
Speaker 6: First.

2760
02:22:18,959 --> 02:22:20,319
Speaker 4: The viennas.

2761
02:22:22,159 --> 02:22:24,520
Speaker 6: These little small penises in a can.

2762
02:22:29,040 --> 02:22:30,600
Speaker 4: Toddler Cox in the camp.

2763
02:22:32,959 --> 02:22:35,559
Speaker 6: I mean, of all the things, you know, if it

2764
02:22:35,639 --> 02:22:37,879
was can soup, we would have anything.

2765
02:22:37,639 --> 02:22:39,520
Speaker 4: To say nothing, you know what I mean? The fact

2766
02:22:39,559 --> 02:22:44,840
that it's like the most the most just bizarre, randomly

2767
02:22:45,079 --> 02:22:51,479
canned meat. Okay. Also, by the way, celebrities at w

2768
02:22:51,719 --> 02:22:53,360
w VNS, what well.

2769
02:22:53,680 --> 02:22:57,000
Speaker 6: I mean, I can think of maybe Gene Simmons or

2770
02:22:57,360 --> 02:22:57,920
Master p.

2771
02:22:59,040 --> 02:23:06,200
Speaker 4: Or Jason Hervey. That what we're going for it is

2772
02:23:06,440 --> 02:23:11,920
upstanding people such as former North Carolina basketball coach Dean Smith,

2773
02:23:11,959 --> 02:23:16,639
who vicious wants Frank to admire. Okay, I'm gonna tell

2774
02:23:16,639 --> 02:23:21,639
you who you'd mar, Frank. All right, you're doing people

2775
02:23:21,719 --> 02:23:24,120
on your own choice. You environ our people that I

2776
02:23:24,280 --> 02:23:25,200
say are appropriate.

2777
02:23:26,000 --> 02:23:28,000
Speaker 6: Son, Do you see that coach on the screen there?

2778
02:23:28,879 --> 02:23:32,600
Speaker 4: You see that dumb fuck right there, that's who you'd meyer.

2779
02:23:32,799 --> 02:23:35,000
Speaker 6: It's the guy I just called the dumb fuck. That's

2780
02:23:35,000 --> 02:23:41,200
who you admire. He calls him a dumb fuck? Why

2781
02:23:41,280 --> 02:23:42,719
does he call him a dumb fuck?

2782
02:23:43,159 --> 02:23:43,760
Speaker 4: We'll never know?

2783
02:23:45,799 --> 02:23:52,159
Speaker 6: So awesome, Oh good, he's supposed to be good. Like,

2784
02:23:52,479 --> 02:23:54,040
why did you call him a dumb fuck? And then

2785
02:23:54,639 --> 02:24:03,319
you didn't like him? That would be a sad thing.

2786
02:24:03,479 --> 02:24:06,360
He'd like, I want, I want you to pat it

2787
02:24:06,399 --> 02:24:11,639
in yourself after this absolute loser. So he totally confuses

2788
02:24:11,680 --> 02:24:13,360
the kid who thinks he's doing just fine.

2789
02:24:13,440 --> 02:24:19,200
Speaker 4: You know, Yeah, Vicious doesn't drink or smoke and expects

2790
02:24:19,280 --> 02:24:24,280
his kids to also avoid those habits. I think I'm

2791
02:24:24,319 --> 02:24:28,680
a good father, but sometimes I wonder if because I'm

2792
02:24:28,760 --> 02:24:31,200
so hard on my kids, they don't know how I

2793
02:24:31,319 --> 02:24:32,520
really feel about them.

2794
02:24:33,040 --> 02:24:36,000
Speaker 6: Oh well, I guess he's powerless to do anything about that.

2795
02:24:36,559 --> 02:24:37,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly.

2796
02:24:38,000 --> 02:24:38,120
Speaker 2: Uh.

2797
02:24:38,239 --> 02:24:42,319
Speaker 4: Vicious never has attended Frank's school related events the Reporter,

2798
02:24:44,440 --> 02:24:46,520
and has attended only one of Gunners.

2799
02:24:47,559 --> 02:24:49,959
Speaker 6: Who's counting, though, But who's counting?

2800
02:24:51,000 --> 02:24:52,399
Speaker 4: Frank? How does that makes you feel?

2801
02:24:53,719 --> 02:24:56,719
Speaker 6: They're all sitting around doing the interview for the magazine.

2802
02:24:58,040 --> 02:25:00,680
Speaker 4: I bet you know I went to Gunner's event, Frank.

2803
02:25:01,440 --> 02:25:05,200
Speaker 6: How does that make you feel? This is a kid,

2804
02:25:05,280 --> 02:25:09,079
I'm big brother. You have to remember this picture of

2805
02:25:09,120 --> 02:25:11,760
Frank you and his face on big Brother? It said

2806
02:25:11,799 --> 02:25:14,479
looking at him? How does that make you feel?

2807
02:25:14,959 --> 02:25:16,639
Speaker 4: I want I want you to hear something come out

2808
02:25:16,639 --> 02:25:21,879
of my mouth. It's real simple. And you look me

2809
02:25:22,000 --> 02:25:22,639
dead in the eye.

2810
02:25:23,200 --> 02:25:25,520
Speaker 6: This is a weird dude. I don't care, man, because.

2811
02:25:25,280 --> 02:25:26,760
Speaker 4: What I'm gonna say is going to hit you in

2812
02:25:26,840 --> 02:25:33,600
the head like a shot. I will never ever go

2813
02:25:33,719 --> 02:25:34,879
to a school event for you.

2814
02:25:35,399 --> 02:25:40,000
Speaker 6: School related event, school related event, I have never and

2815
02:25:40,079 --> 02:25:43,079
I will never attend one of your school related events.

2816
02:25:45,159 --> 02:25:50,200
Speaker 4: I will never go a football game, I will never

2817
02:25:51,000 --> 02:25:56,520
go to wrestling match. I'll never go to your graduation,

2818
02:25:59,040 --> 02:26:00,360
but I will go to owners.

2819
02:26:02,000 --> 02:26:03,079
Speaker 6: Is that because the game we play?

2820
02:26:03,159 --> 02:26:04,559
Speaker 4: Does that make you feel Frank?

2821
02:26:05,040 --> 02:26:07,440
Speaker 6: Is that because the game we play is real simple?

2822
02:26:08,840 --> 02:26:14,079
Speaker 4: Because the game we play is real simple? I want

2823
02:26:14,200 --> 02:26:18,479
better for you then I have myself.

2824
02:26:19,239 --> 02:26:21,200
Speaker 6: You know Sid loves you when he treats you like shit,

2825
02:26:21,440 --> 02:26:22,319
that's lead.

2826
02:26:27,120 --> 02:26:29,479
Speaker 4: Usually he's on the road, but he also skips events

2827
02:26:29,520 --> 02:26:30,159
when he is home.

2828
02:26:32,639 --> 02:26:35,920
Speaker 6: No way, ross Forman's having some fun at Sid's expense. Here,

2829
02:26:36,000 --> 02:26:40,120
there's this, there's too much double entendres going on here.

2830
02:26:41,479 --> 02:26:45,399
Speaker 4: Because he doesn't want to be a distraction. Vicious is

2831
02:26:45,440 --> 02:26:50,319
adamant that his sons not brag about their dad and

2832
02:26:50,440 --> 02:26:54,639
attract attention they don't need. Yet, he says, Vicious also

2833
02:26:54,760 --> 02:26:58,559
finds time for his three dollars. I won't find time

2834
02:26:58,639 --> 02:27:01,879
for my son, but I will find time for my dog.

2835
02:27:02,040 --> 02:27:02,159
Speaker 13: Right.

2836
02:27:02,200 --> 02:27:05,120
Speaker 6: Well, they just finished several paragraphs saying how he doesn't

2837
02:27:05,120 --> 02:27:09,000
find time for skids, but this paragraph begins. Vicious also finds.

2838
02:27:08,799 --> 02:27:11,760
Speaker 4: Time finds time for his three by also finds time.

2839
02:27:12,760 --> 02:27:15,760
Doesn't find time before, but you're just say. But he

2840
02:27:15,879 --> 02:27:20,600
does find time for his three dogs, Buddy Rotwiler, Baby Labrador,

2841
02:27:20,760 --> 02:27:24,799
and Betsy mixed breed. And he maintains a gun collection.

2842
02:27:24,879 --> 02:27:25,760
Speaker 6: Oh I knew that was coming.

2843
02:27:26,319 --> 02:27:30,479
Speaker 4: It is an avid game hunter. Vicious of life is

2844
02:27:30,520 --> 02:27:35,079
in all roses. No shit, haven't hurt any at all yet.

2845
02:27:36,200 --> 02:27:38,520
The picture of the Internet and dirt sheets have painted

2846
02:27:38,559 --> 02:27:41,479
of him over his career isn't pretty A drifter. Most

2847
02:27:41,479 --> 02:27:44,280
of his wrestling career, Vicious has wrestled in many promotions.

2848
02:27:44,600 --> 02:27:46,959
In addition to his work in WCW, He has had

2849
02:27:47,000 --> 02:27:50,319
stints in the WWE and e CW. Those who spread

2850
02:27:50,360 --> 02:27:54,120
the rumors and gossip rarely no Vicious, so he doesn't

2851
02:27:54,200 --> 02:27:55,319
let the words bother him.

2852
02:27:55,440 --> 02:27:57,719
Speaker 6: Rumors and gossip that he walks out on companies. That's

2853
02:27:57,719 --> 02:27:59,760
what he does. That's obvious.

2854
02:28:00,879 --> 02:28:04,399
Speaker 4: So I've never read wrestling newsletter and never will because

2855
02:28:04,479 --> 02:28:07,719
wows brought up in this business. Dirt sheets are just that,

2856
02:28:08,559 --> 02:28:13,879
dirt sheets. They're just someone's opinion who never's wrestled, and

2857
02:28:13,959 --> 02:28:18,399
they're judging you by their opinion, not a knowledge. Those

2858
02:28:18,440 --> 02:28:23,440
people haven't run a promotion, been on the road three

2859
02:28:23,520 --> 02:28:25,959
hundred days a year or done anything of the sort.

2860
02:28:25,959 --> 02:28:28,040
Speaker 6: Now, where are the dirt sheets being written by Bill

2861
02:28:28,079 --> 02:28:30,680
Watts and three other people who meet the criteria?

2862
02:28:30,760 --> 02:28:34,840
Speaker 4: I know exactly where the people who who would totally

2863
02:28:34,959 --> 02:28:39,079
fucking not share the truth or share facts because it

2864
02:28:39,159 --> 02:28:40,239
doesn't make them look good.

2865
02:28:40,319 --> 02:28:43,040
Speaker 6: Why don't successful wresting promoters just turn around write dirt sheets.

2866
02:28:43,079 --> 02:28:44,200
That's a reasonable expectation.

2867
02:28:44,959 --> 02:28:49,479
Speaker 4: Dirt sheets are for people who aren't really sure about

2868
02:28:49,520 --> 02:28:53,239
who they are, where they stand this business. They look

2869
02:28:53,319 --> 02:28:59,680
for approval, Okay, okay, maybe they just look to share information.

2870
02:29:00,760 --> 02:29:02,799
Speaker 6: Maybe, like I don't know, if someone praises him for

2871
02:29:02,799 --> 02:29:05,239
a job well done, they like to read about it. Yeah,

2872
02:29:05,280 --> 02:29:08,319
as opposed to like I never want my kids to

2873
02:29:08,399 --> 02:29:09,959
ever think they did a job well done.

2874
02:29:10,040 --> 02:29:10,959
Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly.

2875
02:29:11,479 --> 02:29:12,959
Speaker 6: Crank that softball too, I know.

2876
02:29:13,159 --> 02:29:17,879
Speaker 4: Look at that seriously, I'm really hoping you know, what

2877
02:29:18,000 --> 02:29:22,360
I think and I'm praying is that the ball is

2878
02:29:22,399 --> 02:29:26,799
actually hanging by a thin thread and that he's posing there.

2879
02:29:28,079 --> 02:29:30,520
Speaker 6: Photo that's got to be his backyard batting cage.

2880
02:29:30,959 --> 02:29:34,040
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, for sure. I mean it also looks like

2881
02:29:34,200 --> 02:29:36,600
I don't know, I mean, you know baseball better than

2882
02:29:36,639 --> 02:29:38,840
I do, and kind of like this, but doesn't look

2883
02:29:38,920 --> 02:29:43,000
like he's in the right position to be like, because

2884
02:29:43,040 --> 02:29:44,879
it looks like he's a little too close to the

2885
02:29:44,959 --> 02:29:47,959
fence there. Yeah, I guess you're right.

2886
02:29:48,879 --> 02:29:50,479
Speaker 6: You know, that's not a matter of baseball, that's just

2887
02:29:50,520 --> 02:29:51,879
a matter of like depth perception.

2888
02:29:52,079 --> 02:29:54,399
Speaker 4: Really, I mean, I don't I don't know. I mean,

2889
02:29:54,479 --> 02:29:57,959
I'm just because like, don't you know. I know, I

2890
02:29:58,040 --> 02:29:59,799
know that they obviously had the fencing and stuff like that,

2891
02:30:00,040 --> 02:30:02,799
but like it seems like this fence is very it's

2892
02:30:02,840 --> 02:30:05,600
it's very tight compared to what I mean. No, he

2893
02:30:05,639 --> 02:30:07,719
probably doesn't have like a crazy ass batting cage like

2894
02:30:07,799 --> 02:30:13,440
you see at at like parks and whatever. But I

2895
02:30:13,479 --> 02:30:15,639
don't know, it just seems an odd.

2896
02:30:15,719 --> 02:30:18,760
Speaker 6: Photo, very interesting to me.

2897
02:30:22,360 --> 02:30:26,559
Speaker 4: Oh sorry, Uh they're looking forward.

2898
02:30:26,879 --> 02:30:27,000
Speaker 7: Uh.

2899
02:30:27,120 --> 02:30:29,879
Speaker 4: Vicious, his latest in WW has proved most of his

2900
02:30:30,000 --> 02:30:30,680
critics wrong.

2901
02:30:31,360 --> 02:30:31,559
Speaker 6: Really.

2902
02:30:33,040 --> 02:30:36,600
Speaker 4: He had a memorable match with Goldberg at Halloween Havoc.

2903
02:30:37,079 --> 02:30:41,639
He bled so profusely from a facial cut that he

2904
02:30:41,760 --> 02:30:45,360
called home to assure his family he was okay, and

2905
02:30:45,440 --> 02:30:47,440
he's one of the most popular men in the company.

2906
02:30:48,440 --> 02:30:52,879
Speaker 6: Okay, great paragraph said, not reading the dirt.

2907
02:30:53,840 --> 02:30:57,079
Speaker 4: Right, certainly not that's him trying to fucking that's him

2908
02:30:57,120 --> 02:30:59,639
trying to look at his own website under construction.

2909
02:31:00,040 --> 02:31:00,680
Speaker 6: Uters looked like that.

2910
02:31:00,760 --> 02:31:03,639
Speaker 4: Look at that monitor, oh man, I yeah, sure, I

2911
02:31:03,719 --> 02:31:04,760
mean that was high tech.

2912
02:31:04,920 --> 02:31:06,159
Speaker 6: The curvature of the screen.

2913
02:31:06,680 --> 02:31:10,319
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean it's like a tvue. You know, it

2914
02:31:10,440 --> 02:31:15,600
was a tube uh style monitor, fucking heaviest shiit amazing.

2915
02:31:16,520 --> 02:31:18,040
Remember how fucking heavy those things were.

2916
02:31:18,159 --> 02:31:21,159
Speaker 6: And we thought we had the world in that boss. Yep, yep,

2917
02:31:21,360 --> 02:31:22,040
that's all we needed.

2918
02:31:22,280 --> 02:31:25,760
Speaker 4: I you know, I remember. It's so funny, like you

2919
02:31:25,799 --> 02:31:29,479
remember my my old editing computer that i'd bring to college,

2920
02:31:30,440 --> 02:31:33,440
and that thing was so fucking big, so fucking heavy,

2921
02:31:33,479 --> 02:31:38,239
it was huge. It was huge. Now I've got a

2922
02:31:38,319 --> 02:31:42,760
thing I can carry with one hand, and it's more

2923
02:31:43,000 --> 02:31:48,840
and it's four times as powerful. I don't know, so crazy.

2924
02:31:49,319 --> 02:31:51,879
Speaker 6: It's progress, for sure. I'm just not sure it's better.

2925
02:31:52,040 --> 02:31:58,520
Speaker 4: We'll see, Yeah, we'll see. But Vicious doesn't consider himself

2926
02:31:58,520 --> 02:32:01,639
a celebrity. Wrestling is just a career step for him.

2927
02:32:03,120 --> 02:32:05,639
It's hard for me to ever think of myself being

2928
02:32:05,680 --> 02:32:08,360
a celebrity. No one here really looks at me as

2929
02:32:08,719 --> 02:32:11,440
looks looks looks me as a celebrity. But yet he

2930
02:32:11,479 --> 02:32:14,520
doesn't want his sons to brag about him.

2931
02:32:14,600 --> 02:32:15,600
Speaker 6: Yeah, I don't get it. What are they going to

2932
02:32:15,639 --> 02:32:16,879
brag about it if you're not a celebrity.

2933
02:32:17,040 --> 02:32:20,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's funny. I can go down to a convenience

2934
02:32:20,239 --> 02:32:22,639
store and the clerk will ask what are you doing?

2935
02:32:22,719 --> 02:32:28,520
To Marion at Arkansas? I understand. So if he's not

2936
02:32:28,600 --> 02:32:30,680
a celebrity, no one here looks at you as a celebrity,

2937
02:32:30,680 --> 02:32:32,159
then why would they ask you what are you doing

2938
02:32:32,200 --> 02:32:34,079
in Mary in Arkansas? I mean, are they saying you

2939
02:32:34,120 --> 02:32:35,799
look like a fucking New Yorker or something, and like

2940
02:32:35,840 --> 02:32:36,440
why are you here?

2941
02:32:36,559 --> 02:32:36,799
Speaker 8: Maybe?

2942
02:32:37,079 --> 02:32:39,079
Speaker 6: Maybe it's maybe it's the Yankees.

2943
02:32:38,760 --> 02:32:43,479
Speaker 4: Hat maybe seriously, or or the or the Cardinals had

2944
02:32:43,520 --> 02:32:48,399
for that matter, either one. No matter what anyone else thinks,

2945
02:32:48,479 --> 02:32:50,159
Vicious is proud of his wrestling career.

2946
02:32:50,959 --> 02:32:52,120
Speaker 6: Geez the bat.

2947
02:32:53,280 --> 02:32:57,440
Speaker 4: I don't sure what anyone says. I am proud. I

2948
02:32:57,600 --> 02:33:00,319
know that Dave Melcher says, I'm not proud, right, It's

2949
02:33:00,319 --> 02:33:01,200
pretty much what he says.

2950
02:33:01,760 --> 02:33:04,479
Speaker 6: It's got to be so hard to like pretend that

2951
02:33:04,600 --> 02:33:07,120
you don't know what the newsletters say about you, but

2952
02:33:07,200 --> 02:33:10,120
at the same time make your whole identity about being

2953
02:33:10,200 --> 02:33:11,520
not what people say, you are.

2954
02:33:11,600 --> 02:33:15,719
Speaker 4: Like seriously saying, no matter what anyone else thinks, if

2955
02:33:15,760 --> 02:33:19,000
he didn't read the fucking dirt sheets, he wouldn't know

2956
02:33:19,040 --> 02:33:20,239
what they thought and wouldn't care.

2957
02:33:20,360 --> 02:33:23,600
Speaker 6: Right, He definitely wouldn't like have this part of his identity.

2958
02:33:23,639 --> 02:33:27,600
That's about, you know, proving that stuff wrong. Right, This

2959
02:33:27,719 --> 02:33:29,799
whole thing is like for no reason, just like negative.

2960
02:33:30,040 --> 02:33:32,719
You know, people forget this about sid like they act

2961
02:33:32,840 --> 02:33:35,079
like because so many years passed from this till his

2962
02:33:35,319 --> 02:33:37,959
death that people forget that this was like the prevailing

2963
02:33:39,239 --> 02:33:42,920
like feeling about this guy, the prevailing sentiment. Right, even

2964
02:33:42,959 --> 02:33:44,680
the House magazine can't ignore it.

2965
02:33:48,239 --> 02:33:50,000
Speaker 4: He has come a long way since he first stepped

2966
02:33:50,040 --> 02:33:57,440
into the ring. When I first started wrestling school, that's

2967
02:33:57,479 --> 02:34:01,559
what it says. When I first started at wrestling school,

2968
02:34:01,639 --> 02:34:03,399
Oh yeah, that's where you go to learn wrestling, right,

2969
02:34:03,959 --> 02:34:06,719
I remember thinking, Man, I wonder what it will take

2970
02:34:06,760 --> 02:34:10,120
to get to that top spot. I don't think I'm

2971
02:34:10,159 --> 02:34:13,760
at Hulk Hogan's level. No, I'm not a big movie star.

2972
02:34:13,959 --> 02:34:14,479
Speaker 6: Oh god.

2973
02:34:16,799 --> 02:34:19,959
Speaker 4: Greater, it said, But I think I'm in a good

2974
02:34:20,000 --> 02:34:24,120
position for someone who started out maryon Tech Arkansas. That's

2975
02:34:24,200 --> 02:34:27,639
kind of talking low of Marrion Arkansas a shot. Yeah,

2976
02:34:28,959 --> 02:34:31,399
Vicious expect to be involved in wrestling for a long time.

2977
02:34:36,440 --> 02:34:39,399
His body will eventually prevent him from competing, and he

2978
02:34:39,559 --> 02:34:42,959
is making provisions for when that time comes. He sees

2979
02:34:43,079 --> 02:34:47,319
himself in a managerial role. I know I can go

2980
02:34:47,440 --> 02:34:50,600
another three or four more years, and I know I

2981
02:34:50,719 --> 02:34:54,959
can work and talk. I really think that I have

2982
02:34:55,440 --> 02:34:58,719
some knowledge of this business. I know how to create characters,

2983
02:34:59,120 --> 02:35:01,719
and I know some of the things that work.

2984
02:35:01,879 --> 02:35:05,600
Speaker 6: This guy, this guy has been trying to talk himself

2985
02:35:05,680 --> 02:35:08,879
into a booking job ever since he was a rookie

2986
02:35:08,920 --> 02:35:11,440
in the business. And it's just not gonna, can't not

2987
02:35:11,559 --> 02:35:12,079
gonna happen.

2988
02:35:12,200 --> 02:35:15,040
Speaker 4: Dude, this is what he says here. Okay, I know

2989
02:35:15,200 --> 02:35:19,159
how to create characters, and I know some of the

2990
02:35:19,239 --> 02:35:20,000
things that work.

2991
02:35:21,799 --> 02:35:23,920
Speaker 6: You're right. He is this way of like saying things

2992
02:35:23,959 --> 02:35:25,360
where he just takes all the air out of his

2993
02:35:25,479 --> 02:35:28,719
own point. You know, Like, tell me about your kids, Well,

2994
02:35:28,879 --> 02:35:32,200
I don't accept that they do anything. Well, it's like

2995
02:35:33,399 --> 02:35:34,559
you to tell me about do anything.

2996
02:35:34,639 --> 02:35:34,799
Speaker 10: Well.

2997
02:35:35,159 --> 02:35:38,719
Speaker 4: Number two, I won't let them do anything well. Yeah.

2998
02:35:39,000 --> 02:35:42,040
Speaker 6: Yeah, he leaves that part out too often. Yeah. One time,

2999
02:35:42,719 --> 02:35:44,479
by the time was rounding third for an inside the

3000
02:35:44,520 --> 02:35:46,879
park home run and I jumped over the fence to

3001
02:35:47,000 --> 02:35:48,280
tackle him so he couldn't do it.

3002
02:35:48,799 --> 02:36:05,079
Speaker 1: He's the Lapstan Wrestling podcast, the wrestling podcast that knows

3003
02:36:05,159 --> 02:36:23,200
the boys need their candy. It's the Lapsed Fan. He's

3004
02:36:23,280 --> 02:36:27,360
the Lapsed Fan Wrestling podcast with Jack and Carnaco and

3005
02:36:27,559 --> 02:36:28,399
JP Sorrow.

3006
02:36:28,840 --> 02:36:31,520
Speaker 4: One time I saw Frank he hit the ball out

3007
02:36:31,520 --> 02:36:34,879
of the park. He started running around, and when he

3008
02:36:35,000 --> 02:36:42,440
got to third base, I said, fright, turn around, don't

3009
02:36:42,639 --> 02:36:45,479
store turn around. I'll kill you.

3010
02:36:46,120 --> 02:36:49,760
Speaker 6: Ship no under the cops showed up, I'll kill you.

3011
02:36:50,159 --> 02:36:51,520
Where did he say that? Okay?

3012
02:36:52,840 --> 02:36:55,239
Speaker 4: At Rumbled ninety two, at Logan at the very end,

3013
02:36:55,280 --> 02:37:03,280
he goes, go bad, go bad. Yeah, did they come

3014
02:37:03,319 --> 02:37:03,760
on again?

3015
02:37:03,840 --> 02:37:09,280
Speaker 6: Please let's go said, it's a tribute to l f X.

3016
02:37:10,719 --> 02:37:10,920
Speaker 4: Yeah.

3017
02:37:10,959 --> 02:37:13,840
Speaker 6: He's definitely the guy that like driving home from the game.

3018
02:37:15,040 --> 02:37:15,760
Does he have a catch?

3019
02:37:15,840 --> 02:37:16,040
Speaker 4: Son?

3020
02:37:17,200 --> 02:37:19,280
Speaker 6: Let me ask you a question. Why don't you pop

3021
02:37:19,360 --> 02:37:22,920
up and throw the third immediately? Oh Dad, why didn't

3022
02:37:22,959 --> 02:37:26,600
you do it? Why he's looking at him in the

3023
02:37:26,639 --> 02:37:32,520
rear view, locked in immediately pissed laser vision. No respect

3024
02:37:32,559 --> 02:37:35,120
for the fact the kid pulled something off, Like it's

3025
02:37:35,159 --> 02:37:37,680
every every compliment it's like, okay, here comes you know.

3026
02:37:38,319 --> 02:37:43,399
Speaker 4: You wait, you wait. I appreciate it. I thought you

3027
02:37:43,559 --> 02:37:47,000
made a good catch out there, Frank, really good catch.

3028
02:37:49,200 --> 02:37:53,920
But you think you threw hard enough? Why don't you

3029
02:37:54,000 --> 02:37:56,520
do hard enough to get the ball third base?

3030
02:37:58,200 --> 02:38:01,719
Speaker 6: And this, this, this present is to Dad from the boys.

3031
02:38:01,799 --> 02:38:04,120
Here you go. Oh man, you guys are too much.

3032
02:38:05,479 --> 02:38:08,760
Speaker 4: Wow, God, I shouldn't have done this right now?

3033
02:38:09,040 --> 02:38:12,040
Speaker 6: What a beautiful sweater. Now, let me ask you a question.

3034
02:38:16,639 --> 02:38:17,799
What might he ask for us?

3035
02:38:20,639 --> 02:38:24,760
Speaker 4: It's a beef for sweater. Let me ask you something

3036
02:38:26,159 --> 02:38:27,040
that's real simple.

3037
02:38:27,559 --> 02:38:27,719
Speaker 7: Oh.

3038
02:38:28,319 --> 02:38:30,600
Speaker 6: It gets quiet on Christmas morning in the Udi home

3039
02:38:30,639 --> 02:38:31,479
when he start.

3040
02:38:34,840 --> 02:38:39,399
Speaker 4: Do I ever wear sweaters? And do you think I'm

3041
02:38:39,440 --> 02:38:41,799
gonna wear sweater from you? Well?

3042
02:38:41,879 --> 02:38:43,520
Speaker 6: That I just I thought that maybe.

3043
02:38:46,680 --> 02:38:52,520
Speaker 4: Oh my god, that's what I think is sweaters, especially

3044
02:38:52,520 --> 02:38:57,479
sweaters from you. Now we'll put in the fire too.

3045
02:39:00,040 --> 02:39:02,639
Speaker 6: He makes them burn the sweater and stand there and

3046
02:39:02,719 --> 02:39:06,040
look at it that they picked out for him. They're like, ten, I.

3047
02:39:06,120 --> 02:39:09,000
Speaker 4: Want you and you know what you want to know something?

3048
02:39:10,239 --> 02:39:12,959
You guys give me a sweater for Christmas? When I

3049
02:39:12,959 --> 02:39:23,040
don't wear sweaters, I'm taking all your presents back. In fact,

3050
02:39:23,120 --> 02:39:27,959
you know what put him on the fire? Do you

3051
02:39:28,079 --> 02:39:28,959
not even know me.

3052
02:39:30,639 --> 02:39:33,920
Speaker 6: Put him on the fire? There goes a tycho truck melted.

3053
02:39:37,760 --> 02:39:38,360
Speaker 4: I don't know why.

3054
02:39:39,040 --> 02:39:41,200
Speaker 6: I don't know why the guy to get more respect,

3055
02:39:41,280 --> 02:39:45,000
you know, I'm like really sad. Actually right now, I

3056
02:39:45,120 --> 02:39:47,079
actually can't hand my hand on it what you're saying

3057
02:39:47,200 --> 02:39:53,440
at all, because I don't know. I didn't when I

3058
02:39:53,520 --> 02:39:55,440
handed to the reins, I just thought it would be

3059
02:39:55,559 --> 02:39:57,719
like some kind of like why'd you get me a large?

3060
02:39:58,000 --> 02:40:01,520
But no, he turned into I'm taking all your presence back,

3061
02:40:06,159 --> 02:40:08,239
know what forget to throw them on the fire right now?

3062
02:40:10,280 --> 02:40:13,520
He gets up there, he gets okay, Then he gets

3063
02:40:13,600 --> 02:40:15,959
up and the way I want you to know, the

3064
02:40:16,000 --> 02:40:18,239
way they look at their own toys burning in the fire,

3065
02:40:18,719 --> 02:40:22,000
is the same way he looks at the undelivered Viennas, just.

3066
02:40:22,079 --> 02:40:25,840
Speaker 4: Standing there staring at it, realizing they didn't deserve them.

3067
02:40:27,840 --> 02:40:32,639
And he gets up. He goes in the kitchen. No,

3068
02:40:33,559 --> 02:40:36,159
he grabs the turkey and just frozen on the floor.

3069
02:40:40,520 --> 02:40:44,159
Speaker 6: Don't get pa the wrong thing for Christmas? All right,

3070
02:40:44,360 --> 02:40:44,799
just don't do.

3071
02:40:44,879 --> 02:40:58,559
Speaker 4: It fucking Christmas. He kicks the turkey. Yes, it is right,

3072
02:40:59,239 --> 02:41:05,319
I want you Gonner get on your goddamn Christmas. This

3073
02:41:05,479 --> 02:41:06,559
is way too far.

3074
02:41:08,559 --> 02:41:12,079
Speaker 6: Hold on, eat your Christmas turkey, he says, he calls

3075
02:41:12,120 --> 02:41:21,680
it Christmas turkey. That's creepy, that's really creepy, your Christmas turkey.

3076
02:41:23,239 --> 02:41:29,000
Speaker 4: And then he just leaves. He leaves and doesn't come

3077
02:41:29,079 --> 02:41:38,040
back until late at night. So, you know, Christmas at the.

3078
02:41:42,959 --> 02:41:44,799
Speaker 6: You know, I always live in fear of getting an

3079
02:41:44,840 --> 02:41:47,840
email like from from like one of them saying you

3080
02:41:47,920 --> 02:41:52,200
know you joke, but actually more afraid of that than

3081
02:41:52,239 --> 02:41:53,239
them like taking them bread.

3082
02:41:54,120 --> 02:41:54,239
Speaker 4: Right.

3083
02:41:55,399 --> 02:41:59,040
Speaker 6: Well, thanks to WW Magazine and the intrepid journalism of

3084
02:41:59,120 --> 02:42:00,040
Ross Foreman.

3085
02:41:59,760 --> 02:42:02,600
Speaker 4: For the Oh my god, into sid Psyche.

3086
02:42:03,879 --> 02:42:04,319
Speaker 7: What was that?

3087
02:42:04,680 --> 02:42:07,159
Speaker 4: Also looking at look at waiting the fucking baseball hat

3088
02:42:07,200 --> 02:42:07,959
backwards like an.

3089
02:42:08,120 --> 02:42:11,079
Speaker 6: All the time man, no awareness of the fact that

3090
02:42:11,159 --> 02:42:12,760
it makes most like a twelve year old boy.

3091
02:42:13,879 --> 02:42:17,000
Speaker 4: He looks for someone who was like, she just doesn't

3092
02:42:17,040 --> 02:42:20,399
look okay, you know right, also wearing his fucking champion

3093
02:42:20,479 --> 02:42:22,559
T shirt tucked into his jeans, or.

3094
02:42:22,559 --> 02:42:25,000
Speaker 6: Someone who was so preoccupied but like looking the part,

3095
02:42:25,200 --> 02:42:27,559
you know, wouldn't even go on ro if he had

3096
02:42:27,559 --> 02:42:31,840
didn't get a pump on or whatever, you know, wouldn't

3097
02:42:31,840 --> 02:42:33,760
come back to w CW until he was a full

3098
02:42:35,159 --> 02:42:37,840
mountain of muscle. He certainly doesn't worry about how he

3099
02:42:37,879 --> 02:42:40,319
looks in a little boy's hat all the time.

3100
02:42:41,680 --> 02:42:44,600
Speaker 4: By the way, uh. One of the captions for one

3101
02:42:44,600 --> 02:42:47,879
of the photos. Tossing a football is one of many

3102
02:42:47,920 --> 02:42:51,319
activities that Vicious enjoys in his time away from wrestling.

3103
02:42:52,479 --> 02:42:53,280
Tossing a football.

3104
02:42:54,000 --> 02:42:55,799
Speaker 6: Sid Well, I see this here, Ross, this is an

3105
02:42:55,799 --> 02:42:57,120
American football.

3106
02:42:57,479 --> 02:42:59,520
Speaker 4: So well, I have here see you? You know football?

3107
02:43:00,479 --> 02:43:03,600
Are you aware of the sport? Yeah?

3108
02:43:03,639 --> 02:43:04,399
Speaker 6: I know, football?

3109
02:43:04,559 --> 02:43:06,559
Speaker 4: Is said, So I like to do you when I

3110
02:43:06,639 --> 02:43:09,000
come home? He's just throw a football.

3111
02:43:09,280 --> 02:43:11,239
Speaker 6: Did he say, hold on, I can't let you not

3112
02:43:11,280 --> 02:43:14,399
get recrded for this? Did he say are you aware

3113
02:43:14,399 --> 02:43:19,000
of the sport? What he said? Are you aware of

3114
02:43:19,040 --> 02:43:22,479
the sport? Because he says it almost like he's trying

3115
02:43:22,520 --> 02:43:25,079
to be accommodating, but there's still like condescension in it.

3116
02:43:25,200 --> 02:43:27,479
You know, It's like how a priest talks to somebody.

3117
02:43:27,559 --> 02:43:29,680
You know, it's like a lot of judgment in there,

3118
02:43:29,760 --> 02:43:32,680
but he's he's making it seem like an honest entreaty.

3119
02:43:32,760 --> 02:43:38,680
You know, are you are you aware of the sport?

3120
02:43:38,959 --> 02:43:41,120
It's like, what do you think I am? Fucking brain dead.

3121
02:43:41,959 --> 02:43:42,719
Speaker 3: Oh my god.

3122
02:43:43,239 --> 02:43:45,680
Speaker 6: Like I'm from Bangladesh. Yes, I know where football is.

3123
02:43:46,760 --> 02:43:49,079
Speaker 4: Everybody in the globe knows about American football.

3124
02:43:49,520 --> 02:43:50,799
Speaker 6: I like to toss this thing around.

3125
02:43:50,840 --> 02:43:51,319
Speaker 4: That's what I do.

3126
02:43:51,559 --> 02:43:52,159
Speaker 6: Spare time.

3127
02:43:53,399 --> 02:43:58,040
Speaker 4: I tossed things in my my spared time. Sometimes I toss.

3128
02:44:08,159 --> 02:44:08,680
Oh well.

3129
02:44:10,239 --> 02:44:13,559
Speaker 6: I shouldn't. I shouldn't. You know who else tosses things

3130
02:44:13,600 --> 02:44:16,319
in the spare time Atterson?

3131
02:44:21,559 --> 02:44:22,760
Speaker 4: Oh good, So.

3132
02:44:25,559 --> 02:44:29,719
Speaker 6: It is tremendous. And we thank him for his candor, uh,

3133
02:44:30,040 --> 02:44:34,239
for his service, and for his guidance to parenting. I

3134
02:44:34,360 --> 02:44:37,680
here in the pages of magazine. So this is two thousand. Man,

3135
02:44:37,719 --> 02:44:39,719
you thought it was weird before, We're just getting weirder.

3136
02:44:40,719 --> 02:44:45,159
So to revisit, recall that Brett won the title at

3137
02:44:45,840 --> 02:44:49,280
Stark ninety nine. Yes, and then I defended it a

3138
02:44:49,319 --> 02:44:50,920
couple times, had the match with Terry Funk on Thunder

3139
02:44:50,959 --> 02:44:52,639
we talked about and then went out with a concussion

3140
02:44:52,719 --> 02:44:57,040
that later caused the well cause the memory loss and

3141
02:44:57,200 --> 02:44:59,879
all the all the real serious issues for bretton he

3142
02:45:00,079 --> 02:45:02,559
they would, for all intents and purposes, never wrestle again.

3143
02:45:03,120 --> 02:45:05,040
So we got to figure out something to do with

3144
02:45:05,040 --> 02:45:10,120
the belt. Brett vacates it, yeah, and retires nine months later.

3145
02:45:10,280 --> 02:45:12,760
And here's Vince Russo in his book about the position

3146
02:45:12,840 --> 02:45:14,600
to put him in his ww booker at the time.

3147
02:45:16,040 --> 02:45:20,040
What if Sid outlasted twenty six other opponents and a

3148
02:45:20,120 --> 02:45:22,559
thirty to forty five minute span he's talking about like

3149
02:45:22,600 --> 02:45:23,479
a battle royal idea?

3150
02:45:23,959 --> 02:45:24,639
Speaker 4: What the fuck?

3151
02:45:25,079 --> 02:45:27,680
Speaker 6: Yeah, he went to like a royal rumble. Okay, what

3152
02:45:27,879 --> 02:45:32,319
if Sid was in the ring alone, battered, beaten, hurt, bloodied. Well,

3153
02:45:32,360 --> 02:45:36,120
that's going to be a long negotiation, Vince. Yeah, exactly,

3154
02:45:36,319 --> 02:45:39,200
worn out, tired and dead on his feet when the

3155
02:45:39,360 --> 02:45:43,479
last competitor made his way out to the ring. What

3156
02:45:43,760 --> 02:45:48,440
if that last competitor was a fresh, hungry lion looking

3157
02:45:48,559 --> 02:45:51,959
to make a name for himself in the wrestling business.

3158
02:45:53,000 --> 02:45:57,040
What if that competitor was a shoot fighter by the

3159
02:45:57,200 --> 02:46:01,239
name a Tank Abbot. Well, again, let's get back to

3160
02:46:01,399 --> 02:46:07,479
what if this were real? If this were what if? Yeah,

3161
02:46:07,680 --> 02:46:10,200
that's a big one, Vince, that's not his minder. If

3162
02:46:10,239 --> 02:46:12,520
this were real, almost nothing we do would make would

3163
02:46:12,520 --> 02:46:18,319
would make any sense. If this were real, Tank Abbott

3164
02:46:18,360 --> 02:46:21,479
would have hit the shocked Sid one time and send

3165
02:46:21,559 --> 02:46:25,840
him sailing over the top rope. Then, much to his

3166
02:46:26,000 --> 02:46:30,920
surprise and everyone else's. Tank g Abbott would have been

3167
02:46:31,079 --> 02:46:34,360
standing in the center of the ring do w c

3168
02:46:34,799 --> 02:46:39,719
W World Heavyweight Champion. That's what would happen if this

3169
02:46:39,840 --> 02:46:43,120
were real. Okay, So if this were real, Okay, So

3170
02:46:43,479 --> 02:46:47,920
this is what he's saying. If this were real, Tank

3171
02:46:47,920 --> 02:46:49,840
would get in the ring and punch Sid so hard

3172
02:46:49,920 --> 02:46:53,319
he'd fly over the rooms. Just think how ridiculous that is. First,

3173
02:46:53,799 --> 02:46:57,520
imagine this idea that like you leave your feet like that.

3174
02:46:57,600 --> 02:46:58,319
Speaker 4: When you get punched.

3175
02:46:58,600 --> 02:47:02,879
Speaker 6: Fucking hilarious. He hit the ground like a sack of potatoes.

3176
02:47:02,879 --> 02:47:04,959
He wouldn't go over the top rope. It didn't make

3177
02:47:04,959 --> 02:47:06,120
any sense I now.

3178
02:47:06,280 --> 02:47:06,760
Speaker 4: Not at all.

3179
02:47:07,280 --> 02:47:11,159
Speaker 6: Then, much to his surprise and everybody else's. Okay, I

3180
02:47:11,200 --> 02:47:17,000
already read that. That's what would happen if this were real. Terry,

3181
02:47:17,159 --> 02:47:19,639
he's talking about Terry Taylor, Bill, he'sund about Bill Bush

3182
02:47:19,959 --> 02:47:26,319
and whoever else was there, digested it, tweaked it. What

3183
02:47:26,399 --> 02:47:26,799
do you say?

3184
02:47:30,000 --> 02:47:30,120
Speaker 20: Oh?

3185
02:47:30,200 --> 02:47:31,799
Speaker 6: I think I failed to copy the rest of this.

3186
02:47:32,000 --> 02:47:39,680
Let me get this back here. Sorry, everybody, brother, this

3187
02:47:39,840 --> 02:47:44,040
is not what What did you get me again?

3188
02:47:44,360 --> 02:47:44,639
Speaker 4: Terry?

3189
02:47:46,879 --> 02:47:51,360
Speaker 6: Why don't we visit with Trump pulling this up? Visit

3190
02:47:51,440 --> 02:47:53,639
with Sid going over a ninety eight that Frank got

3191
02:47:53,680 --> 02:47:55,159
in a math test in tenth grade.

3192
02:47:58,239 --> 02:48:02,120
Speaker 4: Frank comes home from school, right, and it's like, you know,

3193
02:48:03,000 --> 02:48:05,239
it's it's it's a little bit later, you know, think

3194
02:48:05,239 --> 02:48:11,520
about it during it's like winter, and so it's you know,

3195
02:48:11,600 --> 02:48:13,920
he comes back here like some kind of practice or whatever.

3196
02:48:14,000 --> 02:48:16,399
And so he's back home like maybe five o'clock, so

3197
02:48:16,479 --> 02:48:21,200
it's dark outside, no lights on in the house, comes inside, enters,

3198
02:48:21,239 --> 02:48:25,520
the door, closes, the door. Did you get ninety eight

3199
02:48:25,600 --> 02:48:28,879
on tesst Yes? And then click and the light turns on.

3200
02:48:29,040 --> 02:48:32,360
And there's fucking Sid sitting in his chair waiting for

3201
02:48:32,479 --> 02:48:36,040
Frank to come home, waiting for him to come home. Oh,

3202
02:48:38,120 --> 02:48:40,319
do you want letter graded to a ninety eight?

3203
02:48:40,520 --> 02:48:40,559
Speaker 8: Is?

3204
02:48:42,120 --> 02:48:43,280
Speaker 4: Do you know today?

3205
02:48:43,360 --> 02:48:43,600
Speaker 6: Plus?

3206
02:48:43,719 --> 02:48:47,040
Speaker 4: Dad? Is it one hundred?

3207
02:48:47,280 --> 02:48:47,319
Speaker 7: No?

3208
02:48:49,319 --> 02:48:51,959
Speaker 4: And what I want you to do right now is

3209
02:48:52,000 --> 02:48:55,120
I don't want you to go outside. You walk back

3210
02:48:55,200 --> 02:48:59,399
to that school and you walk back to that teacher

3211
02:49:00,159 --> 02:49:02,959
and you tell him I'm gonna take this test again, yes,

3212
02:49:03,079 --> 02:49:07,479
until I get a hundred yes that it's it's not

3213
02:49:07,600 --> 02:49:10,200
five point thirty. Then there's nobody. I don't care. You

3214
02:49:10,440 --> 02:49:15,719
shut up now, you get out there. You come back

3215
02:49:15,799 --> 02:49:18,600
to the school and you don't come back here until

3216
02:49:18,639 --> 02:49:26,920
you get a hundred? Do you understand me, Frank, Yes, sir.

3217
02:49:27,040 --> 02:49:34,639
Speaker 6: Shut up, listen, listen. I don't know if you should

3218
02:49:34,719 --> 02:49:39,079
know this, but that works every time I walk around

3219
02:49:39,680 --> 02:49:40,280
in my head.

3220
02:49:40,440 --> 02:49:41,120
Speaker 8: Just shut up.

3221
02:49:41,680 --> 02:49:45,680
Speaker 6: It's just the funniest ship. Oh my god, it's so great.

3222
02:49:47,399 --> 02:49:50,520
All right, tweaked it and then said, let's do it. Okay,

3223
02:49:50,600 --> 02:49:51,959
Remember every.

3224
02:49:54,159 --> 02:49:55,159
Speaker 4: Every terrible.

3225
02:49:57,840 --> 02:49:59,280
Speaker 6: I heard, guys are tweaking the script.

3226
02:49:59,319 --> 02:50:00,239
Speaker 4: Dude, it's a what.

3227
02:50:04,399 --> 02:50:06,040
Speaker 6: Well terry, you know, we talked it over and we

3228
02:50:06,120 --> 02:50:06,799
did some tweaking.

3229
02:50:06,959 --> 02:50:10,280
Speaker 4: What what what do you mean tweaking? Dude? I don't

3230
02:50:10,280 --> 02:50:15,799
tweak anything. What like I'm tweaking right now? Brother, I'm healthy.

3231
02:50:15,959 --> 02:50:20,000
Speaker 6: What there's always that's always like, you know, his thing?

3232
02:50:20,159 --> 02:50:22,719
Like you know, everyone else in the room wanted to

3233
02:50:22,719 --> 02:50:26,120
make Booker champion. Everyone in the room was okay with it.

3234
02:50:28,319 --> 02:50:30,639
Let's do it, they all said, According to Russo, could

3235
02:50:30,719 --> 02:50:33,200
they have had reservations and been afraid to speak up?

3236
02:50:33,399 --> 02:50:33,719
Speaker 4: Maybe?

3237
02:50:33,920 --> 02:50:38,040
Speaker 6: And that's cool to this day, I take full responsibility

3238
02:50:38,120 --> 02:50:40,840
for that decision, and we'd do it again tomorrow.

3239
02:50:40,959 --> 02:50:41,040
Speaker 11: Bro.

3240
02:50:42,040 --> 02:50:45,840
Speaker 6: Where did we go from there? Who knew we weren't

3241
02:50:45,920 --> 02:50:49,600
going to figure that out tonight. Actually, he never liked

3242
02:50:49,639 --> 02:50:51,479
that question, well, where is this going? He did not

3243
02:50:51,639 --> 02:50:53,760
like that because he did not think that way, and

3244
02:50:53,879 --> 02:50:56,600
that is why there was always a ceiling on what

3245
02:50:56,680 --> 02:50:59,879
he could achieve in wrestling. We weren't going to figure

3246
02:51:00,159 --> 02:51:02,639
out tonight, but I had enough confidence in my writing

3247
02:51:02,719 --> 02:51:05,319
ability to know that we would have taken it where

3248
02:51:05,399 --> 02:51:08,440
it needed to go. All you have to do is

3249
02:51:08,520 --> 02:51:11,200
listen to the fans. So let's book tank Abbot to

3250
02:51:11,239 --> 02:51:14,159
win the belt. See if it works, you go with it.

3251
02:51:14,520 --> 02:51:16,360
Speaker 4: If it's so, you listen to the fans. So the

3252
02:51:16,399 --> 02:51:17,799
fans wanted tank Abbot.

3253
02:51:20,440 --> 02:51:23,040
Speaker 6: That's what he's saying. Yes, he's saying, the fans want

3254
02:51:23,079 --> 02:51:24,840
what I want, And if the fans don't want what

3255
02:51:24,920 --> 02:51:28,959
I want, then I'll I'll change and pretend that they

3256
02:51:29,000 --> 02:51:32,120
want something different than what they wanted before. Not they

3257
02:51:32,200 --> 02:51:36,120
wanted something different than me all along. Right, Okay, so

3258
02:51:36,159 --> 02:51:39,520
now he's gonna be oh, sleep with the one.

3259
02:51:39,559 --> 02:51:39,840
Speaker 4: Okay.

3260
02:51:41,079 --> 02:51:44,200
Speaker 6: Bill starts the conversation by saying, Vince, is it true

3261
02:51:44,239 --> 02:51:47,639
that you're gonna put the WCW world title on tank Abbot? Vince,

3262
02:51:47,719 --> 02:51:50,559
you can't do that. So he's got all this context

3263
02:51:50,600 --> 02:51:58,399
about okay, the sabotage. Okay, Somewhere in this mess a

3264
02:51:58,479 --> 02:52:00,520
meeting was set up by Bill Bush. You would also

3265
02:52:00,520 --> 02:52:04,000
be attending between myself, Hulkgan, and Ric Flair to discuss

3266
02:52:04,040 --> 02:52:05,959
where we plan to go with their characters. Remember, at

3267
02:52:06,000 --> 02:52:07,920
the time, Hogan and Flair were off TV as we

3268
02:52:08,000 --> 02:52:11,040
were strategizing a way to build for a monumental return

3269
02:52:11,120 --> 02:52:13,799
that would position them in the appropriate way at that

3270
02:52:13,959 --> 02:52:17,319
point in their careers. And that plan was already in gear.

3271
02:52:17,680 --> 02:52:22,000
Slowly but surely, we were eliminating the major players from WCW.

3272
02:52:22,719 --> 02:52:25,000
I know what the timesting was on Hiatus. Blah blah blah.

3273
02:52:25,120 --> 02:52:27,600
This is irrelevant talk about a work Are you kidding me?

3274
02:52:27,639 --> 02:52:29,600
Your what if that show isn't scripted? Blah blah blah.

3275
02:52:30,120 --> 02:52:31,840
So the morning of the Big Pow Wow, which was

3276
02:52:31,879 --> 02:52:33,799
the day after we came up with the Tank game plan,

3277
02:52:33,920 --> 02:52:36,920
I got a call from Bill Bush. Bill starts the

3278
02:52:37,000 --> 02:52:39,840
conversation by saying, Vince, is it true that you're going

3279
02:52:39,920 --> 02:52:43,440
to put the WCW world title on Tank Abbot? Vince,

3280
02:52:43,559 --> 02:52:48,639
you can't do that. Okay. So, so it's not bad

3281
02:52:48,799 --> 02:52:51,159
enough that the restlers are bookers, but now we have

3282
02:52:51,600 --> 02:52:56,159
our first accountant turned booker. No, I was smarter than that.

3283
02:52:56,840 --> 02:53:00,600
Bill Bush didn't know Tank Abbot from Bud Abbot. Obviously,

3284
02:53:00,760 --> 02:53:03,639
sometime between Thursday night and his Friday morning phone call,

3285
02:53:04,120 --> 02:53:08,360
somebody had gotten to him. You see how this stuff works, Bro. Now,

3286
02:53:08,440 --> 02:53:11,280
if I'm in Tony Soprano, there's a rat in the ranks,

3287
02:53:11,520 --> 02:53:14,079
and Sylvia and PAULI are doing a strip search looking

3288
02:53:14,120 --> 02:53:16,479
for wires. But in my heart of hearts, I didn't

3289
02:53:16,479 --> 02:53:18,719
believe that. I believe that somebody in that meeting told

3290
02:53:18,840 --> 02:53:21,200
somebody in passing what we planned on doing at that

3291
02:53:21,319 --> 02:53:24,879
Sunday's pay per view. That somebody then probably told one

3292
02:53:24,920 --> 02:53:27,879
of Bill Bush's minions, who in turn couldn't wait to

3293
02:53:27,959 --> 02:53:30,760
tell Billy Bones. Then Bush, who really didn't have a

3294
02:53:30,840 --> 02:53:33,600
clue about wrestling and really didn't care for that matter,

3295
02:53:34,040 --> 02:53:37,079
gets worked into a frenzy by this said minion until

3296
02:53:37,120 --> 02:53:40,360
he's convinced that this one angle, Bro is going to

3297
02:53:40,520 --> 02:53:46,200
bring down not only WCW, but TBS, TNT, CNN, the

3298
02:53:46,319 --> 02:53:50,959
Atlanta Braves, Ted Turner, Jane Fonda, Jane's co stars and

3299
02:53:51,079 --> 02:53:54,040
nine to five, Lily Tomlin and Dolly Parton, and last

3300
02:53:54,120 --> 02:53:57,239
but not least the entire chain of Ted's Montana grills.

3301
02:53:57,360 --> 02:53:58,920
Speaker 4: What is he talking about.

3302
02:54:00,959 --> 02:54:03,920
Speaker 6: Saying that's instant to take tank abb At the world champion.

3303
02:54:04,440 --> 02:54:06,920
Everything Ted Turner own will go to zero in terms

3304
02:54:06,959 --> 02:54:12,239
of value, Thus the frantic phone quality that his wife

3305
02:54:12,280 --> 02:54:15,879
will go to zero. Basically at that point, I didn't

3306
02:54:15,879 --> 02:54:18,120
even try to explain the angle to Bush. Maybe I

3307
02:54:18,200 --> 02:54:20,680
should have, bro but at the time the whole notion

3308
02:54:21,000 --> 02:54:23,920
was ridiculous. So I told Bill that I'd see him

3309
02:54:24,000 --> 02:54:26,479
later and we talk about it. At that point, I

3310
02:54:26,559 --> 02:54:28,639
hung up the phone, picked it up again and.

3311
02:54:28,760 --> 02:54:32,319
Speaker 4: Called my attorney. Do we need to go any further?

3312
02:54:32,479 --> 02:54:35,159
Speaker 6: Not on this episode, But that's that's that's where Sid

3313
02:54:35,360 --> 02:54:39,760
is finding himself insinuated, and so is mentioned. By the

3314
02:54:39,840 --> 02:54:43,840
time everything gets reconstituted and reshuffled around, and the plan

3315
02:54:44,040 --> 02:54:47,920
to you know, crown a new WCW champion after Brett

3316
02:54:47,959 --> 02:54:50,920
Hart had to relinquish, goes from tank Abbot beating Sid

3317
02:54:51,040 --> 02:54:53,959
in a battle royal. It goes to, well, let's finally

3318
02:54:54,040 --> 02:54:57,799
push Chris Benoir because, as you've referenced, Benoit and his

3319
02:54:57,959 --> 02:55:00,920
compadres and what would soon be the radic Coals were

3320
02:55:00,959 --> 02:55:03,959
making it very clear that the ouster of Vince Russo

3321
02:55:04,000 --> 02:55:06,319
and the replacement of him with Kevin Sullivan was not

3322
02:55:06,840 --> 02:55:11,000
a tenable situation for them, and so in a last

3323
02:55:11,040 --> 02:55:15,120
ditch attempt essentially to prevent an exodus of this talent,

3324
02:55:15,840 --> 02:55:18,440
which you know, by the way, anyone who acts like

3325
02:55:18,959 --> 02:55:21,840
WCW didn't really know how valuable these guys were, has

3326
02:55:21,920 --> 02:55:24,639
to look at the fact that they fucking made ben

3327
02:55:24,719 --> 02:55:28,000
Wall the world champion without any logical reason because they

3328
02:55:28,040 --> 02:55:32,280
were that desperate right to prevent it, makes ben Wa

3329
02:55:32,399 --> 02:55:37,079
the champion in an apparent olive branch to get ben

3330
02:55:37,120 --> 02:55:40,840
Wata stick around, and so on January sixteenth, two thousand,

3331
02:55:40,920 --> 02:55:44,799
in Cincinnati, Ohio, Chris Benoit applies to Crippler cross face

3332
02:55:44,840 --> 02:55:46,840
after a match, not unlike the Fall Brown ninety nine

3333
02:55:46,879 --> 02:55:50,440
match we talked about last time. In the process, Sid's

3334
02:55:50,479 --> 02:55:52,239
foot is under the bottom rope, but the referee does

3335
02:55:52,280 --> 02:55:55,159
not see that foot and registers the tap out from Sid,

3336
02:55:55,239 --> 02:55:57,239
who apparently is just lost clean to Chris ben Water

3337
02:55:57,239 --> 02:55:59,879
a crown, a new WCW World champion. And here is

3338
02:56:00,200 --> 02:56:01,479
that we'll about to find out.

3339
02:56:01,479 --> 02:56:03,079
Speaker 4: I'm sure he agreed with that. I'm sure he totally

3340
02:56:03,079 --> 02:56:03,559
agreed with that.

3341
02:56:03,799 --> 02:56:06,639
Speaker 6: Here is Sid in a shoot interview talking about how

3342
02:56:06,680 --> 02:56:07,440
this all came together.

3343
02:56:07,920 --> 02:56:09,559
Speaker 18: I didn't even know what until the day before the

3344
02:56:09,719 --> 02:56:12,959
day of the match to Terry Taylor was an agent.

3345
02:56:13,120 --> 02:56:15,360
Time told me that in the gym, and I was

3346
02:56:15,479 --> 02:56:17,799
really upset for the first app set. But I was,

3347
02:56:18,079 --> 02:56:20,959
you know, confused and a little pissed off thinking now,

3348
02:56:21,360 --> 02:56:24,360
two things. One we know this rumor about the assigned

3349
02:56:24,440 --> 02:56:28,680
petition trying to you know, start whatever. That just doesn't

3350
02:56:28,719 --> 02:56:32,920
go in this business. The other two is, no, Chris

3351
02:56:33,040 --> 02:56:36,399
is a help, hard worker, but he's never going to

3352
02:56:36,440 --> 02:56:38,719
be a big money draw and so fun to take

3353
02:56:38,760 --> 02:56:41,000
the belt off me and I have say, put it

3354
02:56:41,079 --> 02:56:41,840
on someone better.

3355
02:56:42,600 --> 02:56:45,319
Speaker 13: I thought that was a mistake. Yeah, and you're staying

3356
02:56:45,559 --> 02:56:48,479
and he's leaving right, Yeah, And I'm there.

3357
02:56:48,639 --> 02:56:50,680
Speaker 18: You know, I'm doing everything the company's assle I'm not

3358
02:56:50,760 --> 02:56:54,559
trying to start my own union for my own petition

3359
02:56:54,680 --> 02:56:56,680
of people that you know, I only want this guy

3360
02:56:56,760 --> 02:56:58,559
to work here because he only does good things for us.

3361
02:56:58,559 --> 02:57:04,040
Of the whole thing was they it was him, Ben law, Malinko,

3362
02:57:04,280 --> 02:57:07,879
Perry Satter, and Shane Douglas. I might have been a

3363
02:57:07,920 --> 02:57:11,159
ble man as he was all these smaller guys that

3364
02:57:11,200 --> 02:57:13,319
are never going to beak the potential of the big guy.

3365
02:57:13,840 --> 02:57:16,719
They wanted that spot and through russo they were going

3366
02:57:16,799 --> 02:57:20,239
to get because you and that was his that was

3367
02:57:20,319 --> 02:57:21,280
his link in trying to.

3368
02:57:21,280 --> 02:57:23,520
Speaker 13: Keep his job. Yeah, he had that you know that,

3369
02:57:23,680 --> 02:57:27,440
no uh following, but it didn't work out.

3370
02:57:27,920 --> 02:57:29,799
Speaker 6: So instead, in ben Wan Guerrero's case, at least they

3371
02:57:29,840 --> 02:57:33,200
just went to WWF and became those guys, right right, Fine,

3372
02:57:33,760 --> 02:57:36,040
So that's that's all you need to know about Sid's

3373
02:57:36,040 --> 02:57:39,079
mentality about the whole thing. It's I first, size first,

3374
02:57:39,680 --> 02:57:41,520
and but it goes down the way it does. And

3375
02:57:41,680 --> 02:57:44,479
you have to give him credit for well doing as

3376
02:57:44,520 --> 02:57:45,920
close to a clean job as I think you could

3377
02:57:45,959 --> 02:57:48,159
expect to get out of the man at the time. Sure,

3378
02:57:48,639 --> 02:57:50,760
Kevin Sullivan was basically booking at the time, which is

3379
02:57:50,799 --> 02:57:53,479
the problem. And he reflected in an interview with Hannibal

3380
02:57:53,520 --> 02:57:56,120
one time about what it was like in this circumstance

3381
02:57:56,159 --> 02:57:57,159
and others to work with Sid.

3382
02:57:58,040 --> 02:58:03,000
Speaker 11: I had a wonderful relationship with Sid Vicious. If you

3383
02:58:03,200 --> 02:58:07,799
told Sid straight up what was going to happen, he

3384
02:58:08,120 --> 02:58:11,120
would go along with it as long as you'd been

3385
02:58:11,239 --> 02:58:13,920
bullshit him. I mean, he put ben water over for

3386
02:58:14,079 --> 02:58:17,680
me in the middle of the ring with the cross face,

3387
02:58:18,200 --> 02:58:20,760
and he didn't want to do it.

3388
02:58:21,399 --> 02:58:22,840
Speaker 4: He did not want to do it.

3389
02:58:22,959 --> 02:58:24,600
Speaker 11: I mean I was in the room. I went to

3390
02:58:24,719 --> 02:58:28,159
the room with him and me by myself with him,

3391
02:58:28,520 --> 02:58:32,360
and we talked, and he had every reason in the

3392
02:58:32,440 --> 02:58:34,799
world to tell me why he didn't want to do it.

3393
02:58:35,000 --> 02:58:39,040
I said, well, it's this kid's time, and he said,

3394
02:58:40,239 --> 02:58:44,159
I'll do it. And he could have went to somebody

3395
02:58:44,239 --> 02:58:51,000
else and some of his haifaction, not just Eric, he

3396
02:58:51,079 --> 02:58:54,600
could have went and maybe would have been overturned. But

3397
02:58:55,040 --> 02:58:57,399
he was to me easy to work with.

3398
02:58:58,639 --> 02:59:00,399
Speaker 6: I'd love to know who he's referencing this. That Sid

3399
02:59:00,440 --> 02:59:02,920
could have gone to his other faction. I'm not sure

3400
02:59:03,040 --> 02:59:05,600
that was a reference, right, But yeah, So as far

3401
02:59:05,639 --> 02:59:07,639
as Kevin was concerned, he took a little bit of convincing,

3402
02:59:07,719 --> 02:59:10,479
but Sid agrees to uh to do it.

3403
02:59:10,959 --> 02:59:11,120
Speaker 7: Yeah.

3404
02:59:11,159 --> 02:59:12,680
Speaker 6: I think when push came to shove at this point

3405
02:59:12,719 --> 02:59:14,639
in his career, Sid, while he was going to be

3406
02:59:14,639 --> 02:59:16,159
a pain in the ass, would not walk out over

3407
02:59:16,239 --> 02:59:18,639
things anymore because that was that money was too good.

3408
02:59:19,239 --> 02:59:21,479
Speaker 4: Yeah, Oh for sure, I can't. I mean, you wouldn't

3409
02:59:21,479 --> 02:59:22,920
want to walk out of that fucking contract.

3410
02:59:23,000 --> 02:59:24,600
Speaker 6: But he did get a finish where there's foots under

3411
02:59:24,600 --> 02:59:26,799
the rope for Christ's sake. So right, let's not pretend

3412
02:59:26,840 --> 02:59:28,760
it was clean in the middle like you said it was.

3413
02:59:29,000 --> 02:59:30,639
It was so far away from the middle that Sid's

3414
02:59:30,639 --> 02:59:34,600
foot could in fact reach the rope. So that's what happens.

3415
02:59:34,639 --> 02:59:36,399
It sold out. We turned the page to the next night,

3416
02:59:36,479 --> 02:59:39,600
January seventeenth, two thousand, nitrosen Columbus, and the first thing

3417
02:59:39,639 --> 02:59:42,000
they tell us on the broadcast is that Chris Benoa,

3418
02:59:42,200 --> 02:59:43,799
who just won the world title last night on pay

3419
02:59:43,799 --> 02:59:46,559
per view, has in fact been stripped boss of that championship.

3420
02:59:47,000 --> 02:59:49,239
And he's been stripped because Sid Vicious's foot was under

3421
02:59:49,239 --> 02:59:51,559
the rope at the time of the submission. And so

3422
02:59:52,879 --> 02:59:55,520
the I guess the championship committee reviewed that fact and

3423
02:59:55,600 --> 02:59:57,879
made the title change null and void. We are never

3424
02:59:57,959 --> 03:00:00,879
to see Chris Benoa or Eddie Gerro or Malinko or

3425
03:00:00,959 --> 03:00:04,360
Perry Saturn in WCW ever again, wow, and we have

3426
03:00:04,440 --> 03:00:06,239
to plug the hole. So the next week on Nitro,

3427
03:00:06,440 --> 03:00:09,639
the January twenty fourth, two thousand, Nitro from La Sid

3428
03:00:10,000 --> 03:00:12,639
first has to climb a huge mountain to qualify for

3429
03:00:12,719 --> 03:00:13,879
a world title shot.

3430
03:00:14,120 --> 03:00:30,000
Speaker 1: He's a lapsed fall wrestling podcast, the wrestling podcast that

3431
03:00:30,159 --> 03:00:33,600
knows the boys need their candy. It's the Lapsed Fan.

3432
03:00:48,319 --> 03:00:52,200
He's the Lapsed Fan Wrestling podcast with Jack and Carnacio

3433
03:00:52,600 --> 03:00:53,680
and JP Sorrow.

3434
03:00:54,120 --> 03:00:56,040
Speaker 6: I'll give you three guesses of who he has to

3435
03:00:56,159 --> 03:00:58,639
defeat in a handicap match to get the right to

3436
03:00:58,680 --> 03:01:00,440
face Kevin Nash for the belt and the main event

3437
03:01:00,479 --> 03:01:01,239
of this nitro.

3438
03:01:02,879 --> 03:01:03,120
Speaker 4: Lash.

3439
03:01:03,159 --> 03:01:07,479
Speaker 6: LaRue No, I think it's something that will really draw

3440
03:01:07,600 --> 03:01:08,680
ratings in two thousand.

3441
03:01:11,600 --> 03:01:17,000
Speaker 4: Ah, David Arquette, no, oh fuck it.

3442
03:01:17,159 --> 03:01:23,159
Speaker 6: The Harris Twins, huh. They come up with a thing

3443
03:01:23,680 --> 03:01:26,159
where Sid has to beat Ron and Don Harris and

3444
03:01:26,200 --> 03:01:29,879
a handicap match first before beating Kevin Nash and the

3445
03:01:29,920 --> 03:01:30,479
main event.

3446
03:01:30,319 --> 03:01:32,000
Speaker 4: To become I hate the Harris Twins.

3447
03:01:32,120 --> 03:01:32,879
Speaker 6: Oh my god.

3448
03:01:33,600 --> 03:01:40,959
Speaker 4: I never understood why, just why why? You know, when

3449
03:01:41,000 --> 03:01:43,000
they were the Blues, that's.

3450
03:01:42,879 --> 03:01:45,079
Speaker 6: When you know Jared's got some stroke when they're in

3451
03:01:46,719 --> 03:01:49,079
and it's not to anyone's benefit. So yeah, the week

3452
03:01:49,159 --> 03:01:51,440
after they take the belt off, or at least announced

3453
03:01:51,440 --> 03:01:53,239
ben one ever really won the belt. The very next week,

3454
03:01:53,479 --> 03:01:56,719
this is the plan. In La No Less Los Angeles,

3455
03:01:56,799 --> 03:01:58,399
Sid is going to beat the Harris Brothers and then

3456
03:01:58,399 --> 03:02:00,079
he's going to face Nash and the main event for

3457
03:02:00,159 --> 03:02:03,719
the vacant title. And indeed that's how it plays out.

3458
03:02:04,399 --> 03:02:07,719
And all of a sudden, despite all this craziness and

3459
03:02:07,799 --> 03:02:11,840
Sid being just a complete you know NPC in this

3460
03:02:11,920 --> 03:02:14,319
whole thing, this is what happens Texas.

3461
03:02:14,319 --> 03:02:16,200
Speaker 3: See if the hold is legally not a kill called

3462
03:02:17,520 --> 03:02:18,079
and a lot.

3463
03:02:18,000 --> 03:02:21,000
Speaker 21: Of common it's on Kevin Naxas states now and he

3464
03:02:21,120 --> 03:02:23,840
may be account away for winning the world title.

3465
03:02:25,959 --> 03:02:37,280
Speaker 16: Oh no, no, he's alive, guys, very much so, Bob

3466
03:02:37,399 --> 03:02:38,600
Sama breaking the corner.

3467
03:02:38,760 --> 03:02:40,840
Speaker 10: It was a great mode by Sid to back up

3468
03:02:40,879 --> 03:02:42,719
into the corner, but he had no idea that Charles

3469
03:02:42,840 --> 03:02:44,639
Robinson was there and the referees down.

3470
03:02:44,520 --> 03:02:47,799
Speaker 3: And out and now Ship kicks us one in the

3471
03:02:47,879 --> 03:02:50,559
high deal with thought her good but the big book.

3472
03:02:50,639 --> 03:02:57,399
But coming on the rock, Sid, yeah, ky legs up

3473
03:02:57,479 --> 03:02:58,319
doing the right thing.

3474
03:02:58,440 --> 03:02:59,000
Speaker 4: Doesn't matter.

3475
03:02:59,120 --> 03:03:01,200
Speaker 3: There's nothing good come yea, but he should keeps the

3476
03:03:01,319 --> 03:03:07,760
pressure on. You're right, hold on up peter him like

3477
03:03:07,920 --> 03:03:08,840
a drama answer.

3478
03:03:09,639 --> 03:03:14,000
Speaker 4: But he's our commission, guys, Nash stuffy.

3479
03:03:15,200 --> 03:03:17,399
Speaker 3: Wrestler line for the world title.

3480
03:03:17,920 --> 03:03:19,840
Speaker 6: It's gonna call Terry Funk Wyatt.

3481
03:03:19,520 --> 03:03:24,959
Speaker 3: Earth Sibbcious, he's never what better has home? Here comes

3482
03:03:25,000 --> 03:03:26,280
the US tamp jip Jack.

3483
03:03:26,719 --> 03:03:29,120
Speaker 2: Remember the power bobbier has been out loud.

3484
03:03:30,680 --> 03:03:31,879
Speaker 3: And Jack gets himmocked.

3485
03:03:33,360 --> 03:03:36,680
Speaker 4: Here he does this name that too?

3486
03:03:37,760 --> 03:03:45,799
Speaker 3: Gets what? Sid goes down? What's he doing here? Happened

3487
03:03:45,799 --> 03:03:48,000
to say? I think he may be playing possum. Guys,

3488
03:03:48,680 --> 03:03:53,159
you maybe he just lord him. I understand, I understand

3489
03:03:53,159 --> 03:03:56,959
what's going on. You see the guitar. Sid's making the

3490
03:03:57,000 --> 03:03:58,760
referee believe he got hit with the guitar.

3491
03:04:00,120 --> 03:04:00,520
Speaker 8: What up?

3492
03:04:00,760 --> 03:04:01,959
Speaker 6: What breathing?

3493
03:04:04,719 --> 03:04:07,079
Speaker 4: And he's he's gonna chip the lord.

3494
03:04:07,479 --> 03:04:08,559
Speaker 3: He's gonna cover Ken.

3495
03:04:15,120 --> 03:04:19,239
Speaker 15: Said, he are smarter than he has He are smarter.

3496
03:04:19,440 --> 03:04:21,040
Do you see that you are smarted?

3497
03:04:21,479 --> 03:04:22,760
Speaker 4: I heard you three guys.

3498
03:04:27,399 --> 03:04:28,840
Speaker 6: I got the original audio here.

3499
03:04:29,200 --> 03:04:33,760
Speaker 4: That's good, said Vicious.

3500
03:04:34,760 --> 03:04:39,200
Speaker 10: That's the celebration goes on elkuls real.

3501
03:04:39,079 --> 03:04:42,799
Speaker 3: License the dread of every rustling w W.

3502
03:04:45,040 --> 03:04:49,639
Speaker 10: Here's the dull felt in the lane with all the power,

3503
03:04:49,760 --> 03:04:52,200
with all the brown used his brain.

3504
03:04:54,040 --> 03:04:55,799
Speaker 14: Mon celebration.

3505
03:04:59,079 --> 03:04:59,360
Speaker 10: Happen.

3506
03:04:59,440 --> 03:04:59,959
Speaker 19: What he's done?

3507
03:05:00,440 --> 03:05:00,840
Speaker 8: He didn't know?

3508
03:05:08,840 --> 03:05:09,600
Speaker 6: That is the question.

3509
03:05:10,239 --> 03:05:10,959
Speaker 4: That is the question.

3510
03:05:11,159 --> 03:05:14,159
Speaker 6: So there he is that that's very very raw. After

3511
03:05:15,440 --> 03:05:22,040
final four, you got this situation where the world titles

3512
03:05:22,079 --> 03:05:24,719
in flux and no one knows what the hell is

3513
03:05:24,719 --> 03:05:27,719
going on, and Sid's just the guy that makes sense

3514
03:05:27,799 --> 03:05:28,360
to go with at that.

3515
03:05:28,399 --> 03:05:33,799
Speaker 4: Moment in time. Man, that seems to be way in

3516
03:05:33,840 --> 03:05:34,200
the world.

3517
03:05:35,079 --> 03:05:37,840
Speaker 6: If you're wondering what kind of a smashing rating success was,

3518
03:05:37,920 --> 03:05:39,799
because no matter what you can say about Sid, he

3519
03:05:39,920 --> 03:05:43,840
was a draw six point eight for Raw, three point

3520
03:05:43,920 --> 03:05:47,239
one for Nitro, head to head six point seven to

3521
03:05:47,360 --> 03:05:56,159
two point six. Okay, in the head ten hours. Great stuff. Now,

3522
03:05:57,280 --> 03:05:58,719
if you think this is the beginning of a long

3523
03:05:58,760 --> 03:06:01,680
and prosperous rain for cid WW World Heavyweight Champion here

3524
03:06:01,760 --> 03:06:03,440
on January twenty fourth, how about.

3525
03:06:05,000 --> 03:06:05,040
Speaker 4: No?

3526
03:06:05,760 --> 03:06:08,399
Speaker 6: Now, how about Boston? Instead? He vacates it the next

3527
03:06:08,520 --> 03:06:10,719
night when they tape Thunder. Oh yeah, that makes sense

3528
03:06:11,000 --> 03:06:13,840
in Vegas because they announced that commission Kevin Nash has

3529
03:06:13,879 --> 03:06:17,040
in fact stripped Sid of the championship because Sid pinned

3530
03:06:17,479 --> 03:06:22,079
the wrong Harris brother. Oh come on, in the in

3531
03:06:22,159 --> 03:06:26,399
the earlier mixed tag match handicap match, what are we

3532
03:06:26,479 --> 03:06:29,719
doing here? Are we putting the belt on Sid?

3533
03:06:29,799 --> 03:06:30,200
Speaker 2: Or aren't we?

3534
03:06:30,280 --> 03:06:30,799
Speaker 7: What I mean?

3535
03:06:30,840 --> 03:06:32,719
Speaker 6: How do they know right exactly?

3536
03:06:33,200 --> 03:06:33,840
Speaker 4: They're twins?

3537
03:06:34,280 --> 03:06:35,879
Speaker 6: So this Arizona, January twenty sixth.

3538
03:06:35,920 --> 03:06:37,000
Speaker 4: Did they do a DNA test?

3539
03:06:38,479 --> 03:06:40,600
Speaker 6: Well, I'm sure the Twins could vouch for it. They

3540
03:06:40,639 --> 03:06:41,719
probably signed an affidavit.

3541
03:06:42,600 --> 03:06:45,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, so I don't know.

3542
03:06:45,680 --> 03:06:48,000
Speaker 6: I mean, if we're going to make this company mean something,

3543
03:06:48,079 --> 03:06:52,520
how about Kevin Nash just awards himself the belt back.

3544
03:06:54,040 --> 03:06:56,760
Oh totally, that's how we resolve this and that's what

3545
03:06:56,879 --> 03:07:03,000
he does as commissioner. And then on the same show, Yeah,

3546
03:07:04,040 --> 03:07:07,120
SID faces Kevin Nash in the cage. It's triangle cage

3547
03:07:07,159 --> 03:07:10,760
match with Ron Harris as the third guy. Oh my god,

3548
03:07:11,120 --> 03:07:13,440
I've main event anywhere in the country, ladies and gentlemen.

3549
03:07:13,559 --> 03:07:16,639
You know, we spend all that time or waxing nostalgically

3550
03:07:16,760 --> 03:07:18,520
for what it would have been like to see the

3551
03:07:18,600 --> 03:07:21,399
Shawn Michael's Brodheart SID triple Threat matches in ninety seven

3552
03:07:21,879 --> 03:07:24,120
and how novel that of a concept that was at

3553
03:07:24,120 --> 03:07:28,040
the time. Yeah, but I think if I have to

3554
03:07:28,079 --> 03:07:32,000
take one match with me on a remote island that

3555
03:07:32,079 --> 03:07:33,520
I have to watch every day for the rest of

3556
03:07:33,559 --> 03:07:34,680
my life, it's going to be.

3557
03:07:34,879 --> 03:07:37,959
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I listen. I want to watch anything with

3558
03:07:38,040 --> 03:07:38,959
the Harris Twins.

3559
03:07:38,760 --> 03:07:43,280
Speaker 6: Kevin Nash versus Sid Vicious versus Ron Harris in a

3560
03:07:43,399 --> 03:07:47,719
triangle steel cage match. That was the match they made.

3561
03:07:48,959 --> 03:07:58,479
Speaker 4: Yeah, what what, it's fine, it's a main event.

3562
03:08:04,879 --> 03:08:10,200
Speaker 6: And it's tough. It's tough, and in this match, despite

3563
03:08:10,239 --> 03:08:13,479
all the fucking pointless shenanigans we just talked about on

3564
03:08:13,559 --> 03:08:17,559
the Nitro the night before, Sid wins back the belt

3565
03:08:18,760 --> 03:08:22,120
by submitting Kevin Nash with the crossface, the same move

3566
03:08:22,479 --> 03:08:23,920
Benoi used to submit him.

3567
03:08:28,120 --> 03:08:28,799
Speaker 4: Jesus Christ.

3568
03:08:28,959 --> 03:08:36,799
Speaker 6: I mean, I can't imagine the shenanigans that must have

3569
03:08:36,879 --> 03:08:39,920
happened to justify this being what you put out there,

3570
03:08:40,520 --> 03:08:46,760
just the agenda's being served. It's just it's impenetrable to me.

3571
03:08:46,840 --> 03:08:49,159
I cannot understand this. But Sid is the champion again

3572
03:08:49,760 --> 03:08:53,399
after not being the champion for a couple hours, and

3573
03:08:53,559 --> 03:08:56,680
of course this rain is as a prosperous one. It begins,

3574
03:08:56,719 --> 03:08:58,559
I guess you could say again on January twenty fifth,

3575
03:08:58,559 --> 03:09:02,520
two thousand, when this thunder airs, and it lasts all

3576
03:09:02,559 --> 03:09:06,799
the way up until we'll talk about what it looks

3577
03:09:06,879 --> 03:09:09,079
like to get to that point. They go to Binghamton

3578
03:09:09,239 --> 03:09:12,239
on February first, where he beats Mike Rotunda. Of course

3579
03:09:12,280 --> 03:09:16,760
a submission match. I mean, that's a main event right there. Unbelievable.

3580
03:09:17,000 --> 03:09:20,639
In two thousand block. They go to Birmingham, Binghamton, excuse me,

3581
03:09:20,719 --> 03:09:23,799
in New York on February first, he beats Rick Steiner.

3582
03:09:25,319 --> 03:09:29,479
They go to Amherst, mass On February second, where he

3583
03:09:29,559 --> 03:09:37,479
beats Al Green in a world title Yes, Sid Vicious

3584
03:09:37,520 --> 03:09:40,000
versus Al Green, And that's really throwing music fans off,

3585
03:09:40,079 --> 03:09:40,319
isn't it.

3586
03:09:42,360 --> 03:09:43,680
Speaker 4: Charleston. Can you imagine?

3587
03:09:43,719 --> 03:09:45,479
Speaker 6: Oh my god, oh my god, it's a battle for

3588
03:09:45,559 --> 03:09:50,600
the Grammys, Charleston. February third, he beats Jeff Jarrett for

3589
03:09:50,600 --> 03:09:53,200
the title, whichita. He beats Jarrett for the title. Not

3590
03:09:53,239 --> 03:09:56,040
a big fan of Jeff Jarrett. Sid when he's talks

3591
03:09:56,040 --> 03:09:59,239
about who for some reason, I go's some problem with

3592
03:09:59,280 --> 03:10:03,520
the guy Nitro. February seventh, Tulsa, he beats Scott Hall

3593
03:10:04,040 --> 03:10:06,040
and one on one match for the title. That's interesting.

3594
03:10:07,319 --> 03:10:09,479
Oklahoma City Febuery eighth, Don Harris and Ron Harris beat

3595
03:10:09,520 --> 03:10:11,479
Said Visius and Terry Funk. So Sid getting a chance

3596
03:10:11,479 --> 03:10:13,479
to team with Funk before obliterating him, as were about

3597
03:10:13,479 --> 03:10:15,920
to talk about on that pay per view. They go

3598
03:10:16,000 --> 03:10:18,719
to Germany where he beats Jeff Jarrett. He beats Jarrett

3599
03:10:18,719 --> 03:10:23,280
again in Oberhausen. In Leipzig, yes, he beats Jeff Jarrett.

3600
03:10:23,360 --> 03:10:26,120
They come back for Nitro at Nassau Colisseum on February fourteenth,

3601
03:10:26,120 --> 03:10:31,120
two thousand, where Jarrett beats Sid. I think it was Yeah,

3602
03:10:31,159 --> 03:10:32,879
it wasn't for the world title, it was for the

3603
03:10:33,040 --> 03:10:36,239
US title, for god knows what reason They're putting the

3604
03:10:36,399 --> 03:10:39,159
US champ over the world champ. They go to super Brawl,

3605
03:10:39,159 --> 03:10:40,600
the pay per view in February and that's where he

3606
03:10:40,680 --> 03:10:42,600
beats Jarrett and Hall in a three way no DQ

3607
03:10:42,760 --> 03:10:44,680
match to Sid to retain the championship. They go to

3608
03:10:44,760 --> 03:10:47,600
Renown Februy twenty second where he beats Lex Luger who

3609
03:10:47,680 --> 03:10:49,719
was going by the Total Package, not Lex Luger, Boss

3610
03:10:49,799 --> 03:10:53,200
the Total Package for god knows what reason. By d

3611
03:10:53,360 --> 03:10:56,159
Q Winnipeg on February sixteenth. He beats the Total Package

3612
03:10:56,159 --> 03:10:58,639
again for the world title in at World Title Match

3613
03:10:58,719 --> 03:11:01,200
Duluth February twenty seventh, two thousand, he beats the Total

3614
03:11:01,239 --> 03:11:04,200
Package Nitro for every twenty eighth Target Center, Minneapolis, he

3615
03:11:04,280 --> 03:11:08,399
beats if you can believe it, Tank Abbott, Oh God

3616
03:11:09,079 --> 03:11:13,399
for the World title Fargo February well in a world

3617
03:11:13,440 --> 03:11:18,120
title match. Oh he was already the champ. Fargo, North, Dkota.

3618
03:11:18,159 --> 03:11:20,319
For Every twenty ninth, Jeff Jarrett and Ron and Don

3619
03:11:20,360 --> 03:11:22,920
Harris beat Sid Booker T and Billy Kidman. I mean,

3620
03:11:23,040 --> 03:11:23,760
what are they doing?

3621
03:11:24,159 --> 03:11:25,120
Speaker 4: Oh my god.

3622
03:11:25,360 --> 03:11:28,000
Speaker 6: Charlotte February thirty. This is, by the way, this is

3623
03:11:28,079 --> 03:11:32,280
that disastrous Kevin Sullivan booking reign. I mean it starts

3624
03:11:32,319 --> 03:11:34,040
that night where he puts Ben Wall over Sid. But

3625
03:11:34,200 --> 03:11:36,760
my god, this is the worst. I stand by this

3626
03:11:36,879 --> 03:11:39,000
to this day. As bad as Nash's stuff was, as

3627
03:11:39,079 --> 03:11:41,000
bad as Russo's stuff was, as bad as some as

3628
03:11:41,120 --> 03:11:45,040
Eric's stuff was, Jim hurd stuff, don't care. Nothing is

3629
03:11:45,079 --> 03:11:48,399
as bad as January to March of two thousand, when

3630
03:11:48,440 --> 03:11:50,479
they put the book back in Kevin Sullivan's hand and

3631
03:11:50,600 --> 03:11:57,879
it just was unwatchable, unwatchable on every single front. They

3632
03:11:57,920 --> 03:12:03,120
were going nowhere fast Charlotte. For March fifth, Sid beats Flair.

3633
03:12:03,440 --> 03:12:06,000
Actually it seems like they're going nowhere slow, nowhere. It's

3634
03:12:06,120 --> 03:12:10,520
perfectly the worse. It's exactly right nowhere slow Nitro. March six,

3635
03:12:10,600 --> 03:12:13,360
two thousand, Jarrett and the Wall Jerry Tweet beat Sid

3636
03:12:13,440 --> 03:12:17,639
and Vampiro. March thirteenth, Sid and Vampiro beat Big Ron

3637
03:12:17,719 --> 03:12:21,520
and Heavy D uncensored two thousand to pay per view

3638
03:12:21,719 --> 03:12:24,559
from American Airlines Arena. On March their nineteenth, two thousand

3639
03:12:24,639 --> 03:12:27,959
sees Sid beat Jeff Jarrett for the championship, and then

3640
03:12:28,319 --> 03:12:33,239
Monday Nightro March twentieth, two thousand, Gainsville, Florida, Hogan returns

3641
03:12:34,040 --> 03:12:36,159
and teams with Sid Vicious to defeat Jeff Giarrett and

3642
03:12:36,159 --> 03:12:38,639
Scott Steiner. And this is weird because this is how

3643
03:12:38,760 --> 03:12:41,559
it not returns, but Hogan and Sid link up and

3644
03:12:41,639 --> 03:12:43,959
Hogan's in the Red and Yellow again. He did a

3645
03:12:44,000 --> 03:12:45,799
strap match against Ric Flair and the Red and Yellow

3646
03:12:45,840 --> 03:12:48,280
and uncensored the pay per view and then he teams

3647
03:12:48,319 --> 03:12:50,879
and it's very clear that they're building yet another Hulk

3648
03:12:50,959 --> 03:12:53,760
Hogan Sid program. They're going to take us back to

3649
03:12:54,079 --> 03:12:57,559
nineteen ninety two again. And they do an angle that

3650
03:12:57,719 --> 03:12:59,760
actually it went nowhere, but it was like a pre

3651
03:13:00,200 --> 03:13:02,159
inserted in a nitro and it wasn't really played up

3652
03:13:02,200 --> 03:13:04,040
that big, but it was pretty good. Where Sid is

3653
03:13:04,079 --> 03:13:08,319
standing at the podium as the world champion and he's

3654
03:13:08,319 --> 03:13:10,399
supposed to be, you know, answering questions and holding court.

3655
03:13:10,440 --> 03:13:13,079
But Hogan walks in and starts kind of talking over

3656
03:13:13,200 --> 03:13:15,959
Sid and kind of taking all the questions over say,

3657
03:13:16,479 --> 03:13:18,879
and he's yapping away and Stid just Sid is just

3658
03:13:18,959 --> 03:13:21,479
standing there smiling like it doesn't bother him. But at

3659
03:13:21,479 --> 03:13:23,520
the same time they're getting across the idea that he's

3660
03:13:23,920 --> 03:13:25,680
he's boiling inside. He's gonna kill Hold.

3661
03:13:25,840 --> 03:13:26,600
Speaker 4: That's I like that.

3662
03:13:26,680 --> 03:13:30,440
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's pretty good. Of course, Hogan was this kind

3663
03:13:30,440 --> 03:13:32,600
of guy, as Brian Elvererz points out on Death the WCW.

3664
03:13:32,959 --> 03:13:35,280
Of course this was method acting at its finest, since

3665
03:13:35,319 --> 03:13:37,280
Hogan really was the sort of guy who stole the

3666
03:13:37,280 --> 03:13:39,479
spotlight from everyone else and Sid had to pretend that

3667
03:13:39,559 --> 03:13:41,200
he was cool with it. The funniest part of all this,

3668
03:13:41,280 --> 03:13:43,360
by the way, was that Hogan was supposed to be

3669
03:13:43,440 --> 03:13:45,600
the babyface. Finally, at the end of the night, Sid

3670
03:13:45,680 --> 03:13:48,319
snapped all was not completely well. However, the match he

3671
03:13:48,399 --> 03:13:50,559
snapped in saw him team with Hogan to take on

3672
03:13:50,639 --> 03:13:53,600
Jeff Jarrett and Scott Steiner. He went crazy, choke slammed Hogan,

3673
03:13:53,680 --> 03:13:58,360
then pinned him. Yes, he pinned his own partner. He

3674
03:13:58,479 --> 03:14:04,200
pinned his own partner. Yeah, do you remember last time

3675
03:14:04,239 --> 03:14:06,079
we were with you, and we were talking about that

3676
03:14:06,200 --> 03:14:09,120
bachel of the Beach match with Sid and Savage versus

3677
03:14:09,440 --> 03:14:11,840
Nash and Sting. Yeah, and I was saying, how if

3678
03:14:12,159 --> 03:14:16,639
Nash or Savage pinned pardon me, if Savage or Sid

3679
03:14:16,760 --> 03:14:20,879
pin Nash, they would become champion. Yes, a listener pointed out,

3680
03:14:20,920 --> 03:14:24,000
which I'd forgotten about. By the way, if Sting pinned

3681
03:14:24,079 --> 03:14:28,319
Savage or Sid, he would be the champion. Sting Kevin

3682
03:14:28,360 --> 03:14:32,520
Nash's own partner. Nash was incentivized to stop his own

3683
03:14:32,639 --> 03:14:35,360
partner from winning the match on behalf of his team

3684
03:14:35,360 --> 03:14:35,760
because then.

3685
03:14:35,680 --> 03:14:41,440
Speaker 4: He seems nor it's good booking to me. It's interesting,

3686
03:14:41,479 --> 03:14:43,479
it's very it's you know, it's unexpected.

3687
03:14:43,159 --> 03:14:46,120
Speaker 6: That's for sure. He pinned his own partner. The referee

3688
03:14:46,200 --> 03:14:50,079
even counted. Alvarez wrote, nobody in w CW bothered to

3689
03:14:50,159 --> 03:14:52,840
explain how this was possible, but it didn't matter because

3690
03:14:52,879 --> 03:14:54,719
fans had long since given up on trying to find

3691
03:14:54,719 --> 03:14:56,600
any logic in WCW storylines.

3692
03:14:56,959 --> 03:14:59,440
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's that's that's the real story.

3693
03:14:59,600 --> 03:15:02,280
Speaker 6: I think the it's true, and we've gone this far

3694
03:15:02,959 --> 03:15:05,000
and it's time to talk about it because this is

3695
03:15:05,680 --> 03:15:07,559
this is the time when they're actually going to share

3696
03:15:07,840 --> 03:15:10,520
the screen together for the first time, not just being

3697
03:15:10,559 --> 03:15:13,559
the same company, but share this screen together. There's an

3698
03:15:13,600 --> 03:15:17,200
elephant in the room. In fact, who was the referee

3699
03:15:17,959 --> 03:15:21,200
when Chris Benoi wrestled Sid at Sold Out two thousand Boss?

3700
03:15:21,239 --> 03:15:23,559
Speaker 8: Who it was?

3701
03:15:23,719 --> 03:15:24,520
Speaker 6: Arn Anderson?

3702
03:15:24,639 --> 03:15:24,879
Speaker 2: Wow.

3703
03:15:25,360 --> 03:15:29,239
Speaker 6: So clearly some kind of detent was reached between Sid

3704
03:15:29,280 --> 03:15:31,879
and arn Anderson if they're not only willing to work

3705
03:15:31,920 --> 03:15:34,479
together in the same company, but in fact shares the

3706
03:15:34,520 --> 03:15:38,680
screen together in certain segments and be involved in concentric storylines.

3707
03:15:39,399 --> 03:15:42,040
So here it is, after all these years, and after

3708
03:15:42,159 --> 03:15:44,719
the brutal situation in that hotel in England in nineteen

3709
03:15:44,799 --> 03:15:47,760
ninety three, Sid and arn Anderson have found a way

3710
03:15:48,040 --> 03:15:50,639
to work together. Here is Sid describing in a shoot

3711
03:15:50,680 --> 03:15:51,959
interview how it went down.

3712
03:15:52,600 --> 03:15:55,319
Speaker 22: Oh, after the deal, when I got brought back to

3713
03:15:55,559 --> 03:16:00,319
WW you know, you know, I was in a room.

3714
03:16:00,399 --> 03:16:03,120
They brought him in and said, okay, Arn you know

3715
03:16:03,479 --> 03:16:06,479
Sid's back, and we said, if you guys have I

3716
03:16:06,520 --> 03:16:08,000
think it said anythings saying.

3717
03:16:08,120 --> 03:16:11,079
Speaker 13: I just said, like I said a thousand times, you

3718
03:16:11,120 --> 03:16:11,719
know I was at the car.

3719
03:16:11,840 --> 03:16:15,239
Speaker 22: I'm sorry that happened, especially with you, because no Horn

3720
03:16:15,319 --> 03:16:17,840
had always stuck his hand out to help me, help

3721
03:16:17,920 --> 03:16:21,040
me with my interviews when it's a tough thing to

3722
03:16:21,159 --> 03:16:22,760
doing the interviews and you don't know how to do me.

3723
03:16:23,159 --> 03:16:24,920
He showed me how to start off. He got me

3724
03:16:25,079 --> 03:16:28,760
rolling on it, and it just again I hated it.

3725
03:16:29,000 --> 03:16:30,719
It had been harmed that that happened with.

3726
03:16:32,639 --> 03:16:36,200
Speaker 6: Indeed, there was a segment where Wow Flair, Anderson and

3727
03:16:36,319 --> 03:16:38,399
Charles Robinson run in the ring and Sid came out

3728
03:16:38,479 --> 03:16:40,680
for a promo right now forez Writ's and death of

3729
03:16:40,799 --> 03:16:43,680
wcw RN, who had never been approached when the decision

3730
03:16:43,760 --> 03:16:46,319
was made to bring Sid back, immediately walked to the

3731
03:16:46,360 --> 03:16:48,319
corner and just stood there as if he wanted nothing

3732
03:16:48,479 --> 03:16:51,840
to do with anything that was going on. When the

3733
03:16:51,920 --> 03:16:53,920
interview was over and they were about to go to commercial,

3734
03:16:54,079 --> 03:16:59,159
Sid turned walked over to Arn and shook his hand. Okay,

3735
03:16:59,319 --> 03:17:03,200
that's that's booked to go down that way, or if

3736
03:17:03,239 --> 03:17:06,120
somehow Arn just made up his mind on the spot

3737
03:17:06,200 --> 03:17:09,760
how he was going to react to Sid's presence. As

3738
03:17:09,799 --> 03:17:13,000
we mentioned, Arn has never talked about it, and I've

3739
03:17:13,040 --> 03:17:14,840
put the call out to the Solar System to find

3740
03:17:14,879 --> 03:17:17,000
an instance of him talking about it, and I can't

3741
03:17:17,040 --> 03:17:19,840
find it. Don't forget that he sued Sid over this

3742
03:17:20,000 --> 03:17:23,799
and it kind of dissipated in court, and you know,

3743
03:17:23,879 --> 03:17:26,120
he kind of came up on the short end of

3744
03:17:26,159 --> 03:17:28,719
this story. And there's versions of it where he's always

3745
03:17:28,879 --> 03:17:31,079
staring the pot and starting shit. We heard Eric Bischoff

3746
03:17:31,079 --> 03:17:33,959
talk about that. So maybe it's not, you know, the

3747
03:17:34,040 --> 03:17:38,000
one sided circumstance that we would think. And if Arn

3748
03:17:38,079 --> 03:17:41,239
opened his mouth, he might run the risk of contradicting

3749
03:17:41,319 --> 03:17:44,600
himself or bringing up something that puts him at fault

3750
03:17:44,639 --> 03:17:47,040
in some way. I don't know. We're left to speculate

3751
03:17:47,079 --> 03:17:49,000
because he's never addressed that, he's never talked about it.

3752
03:17:49,399 --> 03:17:51,920
But one thing we can infer from is that they

3753
03:17:51,959 --> 03:17:54,959
got over it, these two because upon the passing of

3754
03:17:55,079 --> 03:17:58,200
Sid just earlier this summer, Arn Anderson had this to

3755
03:17:58,280 --> 03:17:59,159
say in his podcast.

3756
03:18:00,879 --> 03:18:04,760
Speaker 23: Obviously were the resting world lost to Giant? He was

3757
03:18:05,879 --> 03:18:11,000
definitely a monster, left the mark on this business that

3758
03:18:11,280 --> 03:18:15,120
people will remember for decades to come. Had the best

3759
03:18:15,239 --> 03:18:18,520
look I would have. I would go this far as

3760
03:18:18,600 --> 03:18:20,600
to say he had probably had the best look of

3761
03:18:20,719 --> 03:18:23,799
anybody in the history of the business. Just see him

3762
03:18:23,840 --> 03:18:27,600
walking in the room. It's just a monster. And uh,

3763
03:18:28,520 --> 03:18:32,680
you know, our thoughts and prayers for his family certainly

3764
03:18:32,760 --> 03:18:36,799
go out and very very sad to hear what a

3765
03:18:36,920 --> 03:18:39,959
huge loss we woke up with yesterday morning.

3766
03:18:40,040 --> 03:18:40,360
Speaker 8: It was.

3767
03:18:42,120 --> 03:18:46,959
Speaker 23: Who it's just, it's just it's never a shock.

3768
03:18:46,840 --> 03:18:47,760
Speaker 7: But it is a shock.

3769
03:18:48,040 --> 03:18:51,479
Speaker 23: In our business, we beat our bodies up. Our bodies

3770
03:18:51,559 --> 03:18:55,159
are actually in dog years, aged a lot, you know.

3771
03:18:57,719 --> 03:19:02,120
But I had no previous knowledge of any illness or

3772
03:19:02,159 --> 03:19:05,040
anything with said, so it was a shock. And like

3773
03:19:05,120 --> 03:19:07,399
I said, our thoughts and prayers go out to his family,

3774
03:19:07,520 --> 03:19:13,479
to his fans equally as much, and let's just give

3775
03:19:13,559 --> 03:19:15,360
them some thoughts and prayers that they're going to be

3776
03:19:15,479 --> 03:19:16,399
needing going forward.

3777
03:19:18,000 --> 03:19:20,399
Speaker 6: So they were able to get on the same page,

3778
03:19:20,440 --> 03:19:23,280
it sounds like, all right, and put the past in

3779
03:19:23,319 --> 03:19:25,840
the past, and let bygones beak up bygones. And that's great,

3780
03:19:25,959 --> 03:19:28,440
yea is it? It's great that tubby step he was

3781
03:19:28,479 --> 03:19:31,399
able to find a way to get these guys in

3782
03:19:31,479 --> 03:19:34,079
a room and figure it all out after all these

3783
03:19:34,159 --> 03:19:37,159
years and leave it there, right, boss, Just leave it,

3784
03:19:39,319 --> 03:19:43,000
I imagine, not you know, nothing more needs to be said.

3785
03:19:43,040 --> 03:19:45,440
The past is the past. We're moving forward on new terms.

3786
03:19:45,879 --> 03:19:47,760
No need to poke the hornet's nest, no need to

3787
03:19:48,399 --> 03:19:50,959
dredge up old feelings about this. No need to, oh,

3788
03:19:51,079 --> 03:19:53,719
I don't know, take a storyline out of it. Have

3789
03:19:53,920 --> 03:19:58,440
Eric Bischoff approached Sid on the first nitro of the

3790
03:19:58,559 --> 03:20:03,200
infamous Russo Bischoff regime era at the Pepsi Center in

3791
03:20:03,239 --> 03:20:06,200
Denver on April tenth, two thousand, where the idea was,

3792
03:20:06,559 --> 03:20:09,600
if you remember, Russo and Bischoff declare, all belts are

3793
03:20:09,639 --> 03:20:13,239
stripped on this night, all belts are stripped, and we're

3794
03:20:13,280 --> 03:20:15,879
gonna have a series of matches and tournaments to determine

3795
03:20:15,920 --> 03:20:18,360
new champions because this is a fresh start for WCW.

3796
03:20:19,040 --> 03:20:21,760
Who's the WCW World Champion at that point, Boss, I

3797
03:20:21,879 --> 03:20:27,639
ask you, what's the year. Part of the year, it

3798
03:20:27,639 --> 03:20:31,040
would be Sid. Oh, Sid's champions champion. This is April

3799
03:20:31,799 --> 03:20:33,879
and Sid is still the world champion from the priory.

3800
03:20:33,879 --> 03:20:34,760
Speaker 4: They're taking away the title.

3801
03:20:34,799 --> 03:20:37,600
Speaker 6: They're taking away the title, and they're having Eric Bischoff

3802
03:20:37,760 --> 03:20:41,239
himself approach Sid to do it. As Sid comes out

3803
03:20:41,280 --> 03:20:43,600
with several other of the guys they had in mind

3804
03:20:43,639 --> 03:20:46,520
for this Millionaire's Club faction to combat the new blood

3805
03:20:46,799 --> 03:20:49,280
guys like you know, Page or Luger or Sting who'd

3806
03:20:49,319 --> 03:20:53,000
been around a long time and were established moneymakers. And

3807
03:20:53,120 --> 03:20:55,520
here come Sid with the world title and Eric Bischoff

3808
03:20:55,559 --> 03:21:01,200
approaches him and definitely doesn't bring up the past, taking.

3809
03:21:00,959 --> 03:21:04,440
Speaker 4: Those This is unbelievable, just a new beginning. We have

3810
03:21:04,559 --> 03:21:05,799
no champions.

3811
03:21:07,040 --> 03:21:11,479
Speaker 15: Well, I said, there's only one one bot left and you.

3812
03:21:11,639 --> 03:21:12,399
Speaker 13: Know who's word.

3813
03:21:15,559 --> 03:21:19,079
Speaker 16: He's telling Sid Bishes to give up the world heavyweight title.

3814
03:21:19,319 --> 03:21:22,120
Speaker 3: Unbelievable, what beshop?

3815
03:21:22,959 --> 03:21:26,559
Speaker 14: You want this out? We just starting lass over there

3816
03:21:26,879 --> 03:21:27,680
won't take that.

3817
03:21:28,479 --> 03:21:29,600
Speaker 3: Oh you knew what was gonna happen.

3818
03:21:29,680 --> 03:21:31,959
Speaker 4: Yeah, I knew what absolutely you knew.

3819
03:21:32,760 --> 03:21:33,559
Speaker 3: That's okay.

3820
03:21:34,600 --> 03:21:38,280
Speaker 10: You knew that Sid Vicious would look at Bijof said okay,

3821
03:21:38,959 --> 03:21:40,520
and big soap there's leaving the ring.

3822
03:21:42,719 --> 03:21:47,239
Speaker 3: Has everyone completely flipped. Eric Bishop, it looks.

3823
03:21:47,000 --> 03:21:50,079
Speaker 10: Like he might get sides his face, Tony, he's slipped

3824
03:21:50,120 --> 03:21:53,159
the care He's gonna confront come Millennia man and just

3825
03:21:53,360 --> 03:21:55,799
take the world anyway championship belt.

3826
03:21:58,360 --> 03:22:00,639
Speaker 14: Come Sid, you know what do you.

3827
03:22:00,639 --> 03:22:01,719
Speaker 15: Want to You gonna lay me out?

3828
03:22:01,840 --> 03:22:02,600
Speaker 6: Said here we go?

3829
03:22:05,920 --> 03:22:07,719
Speaker 3: Come on, said you know you could do it.

3830
03:22:08,399 --> 03:22:10,360
Speaker 20: Now, I know you could do it, But here's what

3831
03:22:10,440 --> 03:22:14,639
will happen. I'll heal and when I get done healing.

3832
03:22:15,000 --> 03:22:18,440
I'll fit healing now knowing that you won't employed.

3833
03:22:20,239 --> 03:22:21,200
Speaker 15: So here's the deal.

3834
03:22:22,319 --> 03:22:25,319
Speaker 10: Need to lay me out, take your chances, or hand

3835
03:22:25,399 --> 03:22:29,879
over the belt, said che says man.

3836
03:22:31,000 --> 03:22:31,719
Speaker 15: What's he gonna do?

3837
03:22:32,040 --> 03:22:32,760
Speaker 3: What can he do?

3838
03:22:36,399 --> 03:22:36,559
Speaker 8: Now?

3839
03:22:36,639 --> 03:22:39,120
Speaker 14: I've been beat up before. It won't be the last time.

3840
03:22:41,280 --> 03:22:41,920
Speaker 4: What on the level?

3841
03:22:42,440 --> 03:22:44,879
Speaker 3: Jeff the belt to Bischoff, cause matter?

3842
03:22:45,040 --> 03:22:46,399
Speaker 14: He can't find your scissors?

3843
03:22:47,520 --> 03:22:50,319
Speaker 4: Oh come on, no one cares.

3844
03:22:50,360 --> 03:22:51,159
Speaker 6: So he says it again.

3845
03:22:53,000 --> 03:22:53,920
Speaker 3: He said, what's the matter?

3846
03:22:53,959 --> 03:22:55,319
Speaker 14: Said, can't find your scissors?

3847
03:22:55,520 --> 03:22:57,319
Speaker 3: Come on, shiit, give the boss the belt.

3848
03:22:57,879 --> 03:23:01,399
Speaker 14: Come on, man, don't let me push the button. Said,

3849
03:23:02,239 --> 03:23:04,159
I wouldn't want to see you go crazy.

3850
03:23:04,280 --> 03:23:09,680
Speaker 3: Said I don't want to see him ruin your career.

3851
03:23:09,920 --> 03:23:12,559
Said he's pushing it.

3852
03:23:15,479 --> 03:23:19,120
Speaker 14: A long lonely life in West Smithphis.

3853
03:23:19,280 --> 03:23:30,719
Speaker 15: Said see you on the sixth seed.

3854
03:23:31,520 --> 03:23:37,200
Speaker 16: Three sandpee back when the real world heavyweight champion where

3855
03:23:37,239 --> 03:23:37,760
on the belt.

3856
03:23:38,120 --> 03:23:39,239
Speaker 6: He handed over the belt.

3857
03:23:39,600 --> 03:23:41,920
Speaker 4: He actually true it over to pick show.

3858
03:23:42,559 --> 03:23:46,799
Speaker 3: Look, said owners, you want to tear Eric kushak apart. Hey,

3859
03:23:46,920 --> 03:23:47,559
Eric's the boss.

3860
03:23:47,600 --> 03:23:48,559
Speaker 4: You can't hit the boss.

3861
03:23:50,159 --> 03:23:51,399
Speaker 6: He just handed the belt over.

3862
03:23:51,879 --> 03:23:52,440
Speaker 4: Of course you did.

3863
03:23:52,600 --> 03:23:54,200
Speaker 6: I mean that's fine, right, you can come back from that.

3864
03:23:55,079 --> 03:23:57,159
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, look, you gotta just you can just

3865
03:23:57,280 --> 03:23:58,639
just you gotta do what the boss says.

3866
03:23:58,680 --> 03:24:00,959
Speaker 6: Steve Austin handed over the belt in this prime, of course,

3867
03:24:01,360 --> 03:24:03,040
hul Cogan handed over the belt. It was fine, It

3868
03:24:03,079 --> 03:24:05,600
was all. You know, he's over enough that he can

3869
03:24:05,719 --> 03:24:08,399
just let a guy browbeat him into giving over the belt.

3870
03:24:10,840 --> 03:24:12,440
What's about her? Sid can't find your scissors?

3871
03:24:13,440 --> 03:24:15,159
Speaker 4: Oh that's just not okay.

3872
03:24:15,399 --> 03:24:16,319
Speaker 6: Why is it not okay?

3873
03:24:17,280 --> 03:24:21,399
Speaker 4: Because I mean there's so much about that that you know,

3874
03:24:21,479 --> 03:24:25,719
he was fucking fired. I mean, it's not okay.

3875
03:24:28,840 --> 03:24:29,399
Speaker 6: Arnt Anderson.

3876
03:24:30,040 --> 03:24:34,879
Speaker 4: I think he's too stupid to not understand that it's

3877
03:24:34,920 --> 03:24:35,360
not okay.

3878
03:24:35,719 --> 03:24:38,399
Speaker 6: You know what, Sid, Yeah, aren't in the back, no

3879
03:24:38,559 --> 03:24:40,120
selling it, pretending it doesn't bother him.

3880
03:24:40,399 --> 03:24:42,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, of course, why would it bother him?

3881
03:24:43,520 --> 03:24:46,399
Speaker 6: Well, later in that show, they begin the tournament to

3882
03:24:46,520 --> 03:24:50,479
determine the next ww champion, and in the semifinal round,

3883
03:24:50,520 --> 03:24:52,719
Sting beats Sid Vicious by count out in a six

3884
03:24:52,840 --> 03:24:57,799
minute and seventeen second matchup. On the April eleventh, the

3885
03:24:57,879 --> 03:25:01,440
next night, two thousand tapings in Colorado's brings Stevie Ray

3886
03:25:01,520 --> 03:25:04,760
Big T, that is to say, Booker T and Cash

3887
03:25:04,920 --> 03:25:07,600
Kid Cash defeat Sid vicious by his qualification in a

3888
03:25:07,680 --> 03:25:11,440
three on one handicap match, and for a while, that's

3889
03:25:11,520 --> 03:25:14,399
the last we hear from Sid. Sid disappears for months

3890
03:25:14,440 --> 03:25:20,840
on end, apparently dealing with an injury during this entire

3891
03:25:21,440 --> 03:25:24,879
Russeau Bischoff regime. I mean that's it. Sid hands the

3892
03:25:24,879 --> 03:25:27,639
belt over Russell Sting for six minutes and then disappears,

3893
03:25:27,680 --> 03:25:33,200
basically from television. It's it's wild, but he he's he's

3894
03:25:33,319 --> 03:25:35,520
he's hurt. Okay, he's got something he's got to deal with.

3895
03:25:36,319 --> 03:25:40,760
We don't see him again until Russo's gone. Okay, this

3896
03:25:40,840 --> 03:25:44,239
guy that he's a unbelievable I thinks his sabotage in

3897
03:25:44,280 --> 03:25:46,760
the company. Russo's gone in October of two thousand and

3898
03:25:46,840 --> 03:25:49,159
on the November twenty seventh, two thousand, Nitro out in

3899
03:25:49,239 --> 03:25:52,200
a black turtleneck after the world champion at the time,

3900
03:25:52,239 --> 03:25:54,760
Scott Steiner, just defeated Stevie Ray of all people, in

3901
03:25:54,840 --> 03:25:59,639
a retirement match on Nitro. Sid returns to the company

3902
03:26:01,280 --> 03:26:04,280
because star cast or star Kad, I should say, I'm

3903
03:26:04,280 --> 03:26:07,760
gonna get those wrong forever Stark two thousand, do you

3904
03:26:07,760 --> 03:26:10,000
remember our main event from the star Kid memorial to her?

3905
03:26:10,120 --> 03:26:10,280
Speaker 8: I do.

3906
03:26:10,440 --> 03:26:12,280
Speaker 4: It was Sid and Scott Stein.

3907
03:26:12,319 --> 03:26:16,319
Speaker 6: Indeed, so Sid is back in the dying days at WCW,

3908
03:26:16,479 --> 03:26:19,159
the true doldrums, where there was a lot of intrigue

3909
03:26:19,200 --> 03:26:21,600
going around about new ownership, but everything felt lame duck.

3910
03:26:21,840 --> 03:26:23,559
Everything they did felt like, Okay, this is just a

3911
03:26:23,600 --> 03:26:25,959
placeholder until we decide who the new bosses are and

3912
03:26:26,079 --> 03:26:28,600
launch a new WCW. Until then, we're gonna watch people

3913
03:26:28,639 --> 03:26:31,760
play out different various strings, but none of it really counts.

3914
03:26:31,760 --> 03:26:33,959
And that definitely was the feeling I got when Sid

3915
03:26:34,079 --> 03:26:35,760
came back. And when it comes back in a black turtleneck,

3916
03:26:35,760 --> 03:26:37,520
you know what that means. He hasn't had as much

3917
03:26:37,559 --> 03:26:40,399
gym time as he would have liked, exactly. And this

3918
03:26:40,520 --> 03:26:43,200
begins the air of him wrestling in jeans and wrestling

3919
03:26:43,280 --> 03:26:49,319
in Gene Schortz, which is absolutely alarming and completely unacceptable.

3920
03:26:49,520 --> 03:26:52,479
When he starts wearing jeorts, completely unacceptable.

3921
03:26:53,000 --> 03:26:55,120
Speaker 4: Oh god, yeah, no, no, no, no, no, no, I

3922
03:26:55,520 --> 03:26:58,120
do remember I've seen images of that look. I didn't

3923
03:26:58,360 --> 03:27:00,719
know it when he snaps his leg. I've seen images

3924
03:27:00,760 --> 03:27:02,479
of that look and it's not okay.

3925
03:27:04,079 --> 03:27:07,840
Speaker 6: It just makes it look so low rent. I don't

3926
03:27:07,879 --> 03:27:10,520
care how self conscious he was about the definition and

3927
03:27:10,600 --> 03:27:12,639
his legs back then. This was just the wrong move,

3928
03:27:14,000 --> 03:27:17,040
made him look just like he was barely trying. But

3929
03:27:17,159 --> 03:27:22,440
he's back, and yes, they play up a bit that

3930
03:27:22,559 --> 03:27:24,559
he had just relinquished the championship the last time we

3931
03:27:24,639 --> 03:27:26,639
had seen him, and now deserved an honest chance to

3932
03:27:26,680 --> 03:27:27,920
get it back, of course, with no mention of the

3933
03:27:28,000 --> 03:27:29,760
fact that he failed to win the tournament that he

3934
03:27:29,840 --> 03:27:32,479
was in to get that belt back. But he just

3935
03:27:32,520 --> 03:27:35,319
comes back claiming like he has a rightful claim to it.

3936
03:27:37,559 --> 03:27:39,319
He says, because Steiner has been walking around with a

3937
03:27:39,319 --> 03:27:42,360
world championship all this time, calling himself champion, even though

3938
03:27:42,360 --> 03:27:44,440
Sid never lost it in the ring. He says on

3939
03:27:44,559 --> 03:27:46,920
Niro one time that Scott Steiner has been walking around

3940
03:27:46,959 --> 03:27:53,959
with a fictitious name tremendous. Sid was asked in to

3941
03:27:54,000 --> 03:27:56,639
shoot interview about working with Scott Steiner. He says, yeah, man,

3942
03:27:56,719 --> 03:27:58,559
he was so I don't know what his problem was.

3943
03:27:59,600 --> 03:28:01,159
He was just so I don't know, he just couldn't

3944
03:28:01,159 --> 03:28:04,920
calm down. He was just you know, cussing everybody, screaming

3945
03:28:04,959 --> 03:28:06,879
at everybody, the referees, you know, the people in the back.

3946
03:28:07,360 --> 03:28:08,559
I don't know, I don't know if it was his

3947
03:28:08,760 --> 03:28:11,959
first really solo star deal. You know, I don't know

3948
03:28:12,079 --> 03:28:15,520
if he would like They take a while during the

3949
03:28:15,559 --> 03:28:18,360
interview about sting, and then halfway through it, he's calling

3950
03:28:18,360 --> 03:28:20,159
out Hogan. You know, It's like, what's going on here?

3951
03:28:20,200 --> 03:28:22,719
Everybody looking at each other, and I don't know what

3952
03:28:22,799 --> 03:28:25,200
his problem is and the w to be He says

3953
03:28:25,200 --> 03:28:27,959
at the time he'd just come back to Steiner why

3954
03:28:28,000 --> 03:28:29,559
he didn't last there, But I knew he wasn't gonna

3955
03:28:29,600 --> 03:28:31,079
last there either, because you're not going to talk to

3956
03:28:31,159 --> 03:28:34,680
people like that there for very long. When you got

3957
03:28:34,719 --> 03:28:36,280
the ring with him, He's asked did he calm down

3958
03:28:36,440 --> 03:28:38,479
or was he tough to deal with? He's just a ratic,

3959
03:28:38,959 --> 03:28:40,680
just nervous. I don't know what. I think the pressure

3960
03:28:40,799 --> 03:28:41,520
was too much for him.

3961
03:28:42,280 --> 03:28:42,559
Speaker 4: I don't know.

3962
03:28:42,600 --> 03:28:45,239
Speaker 6: I'm not saying anyone doesn't know. I'm not saying anything

3963
03:28:45,440 --> 03:28:47,479
anyone doesn't know. I remember in Gainesville, I think it

3964
03:28:47,559 --> 03:28:49,600
was Gainesville when they first gave him his first singles

3965
03:28:49,639 --> 03:28:51,280
match against Rick Flair. This is from eighty nine and

3966
03:28:51,280 --> 03:28:53,840
the Clash match where Scott swears that Rick Flair was

3967
03:28:53,920 --> 03:28:57,360
sandbagging him. He bombed terribly back in the day, and

3968
03:28:57,479 --> 03:28:59,479
he never shook that Sid said about Scott. He never

3969
03:28:59,520 --> 03:29:01,959
shook that, and that's why I still say that Rick

3970
03:29:02,120 --> 03:29:05,200
was the better of the two. But that's his recollection

3971
03:29:05,440 --> 03:29:08,559
of working with Scott Steiner, and the match is definitely

3972
03:29:08,680 --> 03:29:12,159
not that memorable. But Sid versus Scott Steiner was pretty

3973
03:29:12,239 --> 03:29:15,879
much the best that they could do at that time

3974
03:29:15,959 --> 03:29:18,520
in World Championship wrestling. And that is the story of Sid,

3975
03:29:18,600 --> 03:29:22,719
isn't it? I would say yes, another example of Sid

3976
03:29:22,879 --> 03:29:26,959
walking in the front door when there's no viable person

3977
03:29:28,239 --> 03:29:31,719
that you've seen recently being built for the champion or

3978
03:29:31,799 --> 03:29:35,159
for the main event picture in a one time need

3979
03:29:35,520 --> 03:29:38,920
that needs to be filled, and thus there is Sid.

3980
03:29:39,760 --> 03:29:43,360
As mentioned, he starts worrying George for some reason, and

3981
03:29:43,479 --> 03:29:47,040
with that we turn the page. Jesus, but that we

3982
03:29:47,120 --> 03:29:50,200
turned the page. As we conclude this chapter of the

3983
03:29:50,239 --> 03:29:54,040
Sid Tribute, we turned the page to the forced final

3984
03:29:54,120 --> 03:29:58,680
year of Sid vicious career in the National Wrestling Spotlight. Yeah,

3985
03:29:58,719 --> 03:30:01,000
it's two thousand and one and as the master and

3986
03:30:01,079 --> 03:30:05,040
rulers world, it's about to come crumbling down. Boy, and

3987
03:30:05,120 --> 03:30:08,399
take a look, and we close with this boss. It

3988
03:30:08,520 --> 03:30:11,079
is the moment. It is available on YouTube if you

3989
03:30:11,120 --> 03:30:12,520
can bear with me for a second. I'm gonna pull

3990
03:30:12,520 --> 03:30:17,200
it up on my end as well. Yep, this is

3991
03:30:17,239 --> 03:30:17,719
what it's.

3992
03:30:17,600 --> 03:30:18,239
Speaker 4: Coming down to.

3993
03:30:19,000 --> 03:30:21,680
Speaker 6: So you remember seeing this on YouTube and not hearing

3994
03:30:21,680 --> 03:30:24,680
about it at the time. I, yeah, I.

3995
03:30:24,760 --> 03:30:27,559
Speaker 4: Definitely didn't hear about it when it happened, but I

3996
03:30:27,680 --> 03:30:30,319
knew about it. I definitely knew about it a long

3997
03:30:30,600 --> 03:30:38,079
time ago. And I don't yeah, I don't know how I.

3998
03:30:40,639 --> 03:30:40,840
Speaker 13: Yeah.

3999
03:30:40,879 --> 03:30:41,879
Speaker 4: The only thing I can think of is that you

4000
03:30:42,000 --> 03:30:42,600
told me about this.

4001
03:30:43,959 --> 03:30:46,799
Speaker 6: So this is the night after sold out. It's important

4002
03:30:46,840 --> 03:30:48,799
to remember the January two thousand and one sold out.

4003
03:30:48,799 --> 03:30:53,000
Speaker 4: We wait, so they fucking showed the replay yes of

4004
03:30:53,159 --> 03:30:54,399
him getting his fucking.

4005
03:30:55,959 --> 03:30:59,879
Speaker 6: Yes. And in fact, the fact, if you watch the

4006
03:31:00,000 --> 03:31:03,360
sold out pay per view, you'll see that you didn't

4007
03:31:03,639 --> 03:31:05,840
really tell. You couldn't really tell on the night with

4008
03:31:05,959 --> 03:31:08,239
the live angles that they picked what happened to Sid,

4009
03:31:08,719 --> 03:31:11,000
you could tell something went wrong, but they did not

4010
03:31:11,360 --> 03:31:14,200
happened to cut to the angle that gave the clearest

4011
03:31:14,319 --> 03:31:16,719
view of what happened to Sid's life. Fuck in this

4012
03:31:16,840 --> 03:31:19,319
kind of a four corners match environment that they were

4013
03:31:19,360 --> 03:31:21,840
in with a with a run in. So the next

4014
03:31:21,879 --> 03:31:23,440
time of Nitro we got to do it. We got

4015
03:31:23,559 --> 03:31:25,479
to show the people, don't we No.

4016
03:31:25,719 --> 03:31:26,120
Speaker 4: We don't.

4017
03:31:26,719 --> 03:31:28,520
Speaker 6: So we start with we don't have to tell anything,

4018
03:31:28,920 --> 03:31:31,479
Tony Chevann, And you have no idea how significant what

4019
03:31:31,600 --> 03:31:34,479
you're saying is about to become an hour saga here

4020
03:31:34,559 --> 03:31:39,760
going forward, but for now, for now, Tony Shavanni and

4021
03:31:39,760 --> 03:31:43,360
Scott Hudson Here a ringside speaking to the fans the

4022
03:31:43,479 --> 03:31:45,520
night after sold Out two thousand and one on Nitro

4023
03:31:45,639 --> 03:31:46,760
about pardon me, it.

4024
03:31:46,760 --> 03:31:49,760
Speaker 4: Wasn't look at look at Scott Hudson does not look okay.

4025
03:31:50,239 --> 03:31:52,239
Speaker 6: No, no, he knows what he's about to see. And sorry,

4026
03:31:52,280 --> 03:31:54,120
I keep saying sold out. That was the January pay

4027
03:31:54,120 --> 03:31:55,760
per view forever it was sin. This is the year

4028
03:31:55,799 --> 03:31:59,239
they did Sin right in January instead of sold Out.

4029
03:31:59,639 --> 03:32:02,120
So if you can hit play on my one boss

4030
03:32:02,159 --> 03:32:03,280
and you at home, if you want to pull it

4031
03:32:03,360 --> 03:32:07,280
up on YouTube, yes, three two one.

4032
03:32:08,680 --> 03:32:10,600
Speaker 21: While we were watching the mystery opponent, come in now,

4033
03:32:10,719 --> 03:32:11,840
said Vicious up on top.

4034
03:32:13,399 --> 03:32:15,680
Speaker 4: Look at the difficult Look at the left foot. That

4035
03:32:15,840 --> 03:32:19,280
is so difficult to watch. We've seen it already another

4036
03:32:19,360 --> 03:32:20,879
angle already so many times.

4037
03:32:20,959 --> 03:32:24,239
Speaker 21: It's still just so once again isolated.

4038
03:32:24,440 --> 03:32:27,040
Speaker 4: Oh my oh the foot.

4039
03:32:28,840 --> 03:32:32,639
Speaker 21: Obviously the compound fracture of the gia and the fibula

4040
03:32:32,760 --> 03:32:36,719
last night this morning, underwent two hours of surgery, had

4041
03:32:36,719 --> 03:32:40,440
a forty three inch centimeter steal rod and shorted it

4042
03:32:40,520 --> 03:32:41,159
into the bone.

4043
03:32:42,120 --> 03:32:44,319
Speaker 3: He is still in Methodist Hospital in Indianapolis.

4044
03:32:44,719 --> 03:32:46,719
Speaker 4: He'll be out the good part of a year A

4045
03:32:46,760 --> 03:32:50,239
long time. We certainly wish said vicious part of a year.

4046
03:32:53,040 --> 03:32:54,360
Speaker 3: Oh fuck my life.

4047
03:32:55,520 --> 03:32:59,840
Speaker 6: That and the fallout of the tragic end.

4048
03:33:01,399 --> 03:33:04,719
Speaker 4: To how can I'm just gonna say, how can you

4049
03:33:04,799 --> 03:33:08,959
come back from that? Ever? How can you say it's

4050
03:33:09,000 --> 03:33:12,680
gonna be a year like it literally snapped in half?

4051
03:33:13,280 --> 03:33:18,200
Here's the thing, boss, what you don't come back from right,

4052
03:33:19,680 --> 03:33:21,319
And we hope for Sid's sake, is we're going to

4053
03:33:21,360 --> 03:33:22,760
get into the next time we're with you on our

4054
03:33:22,840 --> 03:33:27,600
tribute to Sid, that that isn't just too much for

4055
03:33:27,719 --> 03:33:28,200
him to bear.

4056
03:33:29,680 --> 03:33:34,319
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4057
03:33:34,360 --> 03:33:35,479
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