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<v Speaker 1>KFI AM six forty. You're listening to Dean Sharp The

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<v Speaker 1>House Whisper on demand on the iHeart Radio app. Hey,

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<v Speaker 1>welcome home. I'm Dean Sharp the House Whisper. I design

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<v Speaker 1>custom homes and on the weekends. Right now, I am

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<v Speaker 1>your guide to better understanding that place where you live.

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<v Speaker 1>We love, love, love talking about your home, whether it's architecture, design, construction,

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<v Speaker 1>DIY stuff, all things that make a home truly a home.

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<v Speaker 1>And guess what we're doing today on the show. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>I had mentioned this yesterday for those of you who

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<v Speaker 1>don't live in southern California, we are having a real, live,

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<v Speaker 1>actual spring. I mean the kind of spur that other

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<v Speaker 1>places in the country regularly have. I don't know why,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know what it means afterwards, but normally and

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<v Speaker 1>so cal you know, I was born in raised here.

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<v Speaker 1>Normally spring pops in, you know, a good month ago,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's just a slightly cooler version of summer, just

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<v Speaker 1>sunny every day and warm but not hot. But this weather,

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<v Speaker 1>this weather, it's rain, it's sunshine, it's cloudy, it's misty,

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<v Speaker 1>then it's sunny again. Now it's cold, now it's warm.

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<v Speaker 1>This is a legitimate, full blown North American spring that

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<v Speaker 1>we're having. And we weren't thinking about this kind of

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<v Speaker 1>weather when we put our show schedule together. But today

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<v Speaker 1>we are talking about spring, and I'm talking about the

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<v Speaker 1>life that is happening or could be happening in your

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<v Speaker 1>own yard. Every springtime, I take some time to give

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<v Speaker 1>attention and draw information up on birds, bees, flowers, trees. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I know it rhymes. I didn't mean for that to happen,

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<v Speaker 1>but and today's the day. Today, I've got three get

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<v Speaker 1>I should say, up to three guests on the show.

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<v Speaker 1>I hope they all show up, but the plan is

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<v Speaker 1>to have three guests on the show today. We're going

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<v Speaker 1>to be talking first about backyard birds and how to

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<v Speaker 1>bring more of that life and beauty and how important

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<v Speaker 1>it is as a home designer. It's critically important for

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<v Speaker 1>me to introduce you to the ways to bring the

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<v Speaker 1>nature that our homes displace back into our yards. So

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<v Speaker 1>we'll first be talking to my good friend Richard Armording

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<v Speaker 1>from wild Birds Unlimited today and we're going to get

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<v Speaker 1>kind of the update on birds, and then my dear

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<v Speaker 1>friend Nicole Palladino from Bee Catchers is going to update

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<v Speaker 1>us on the state of bees. And then I hope

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<v Speaker 1>certified arboras Bob Loft will be in here with me

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<v Speaker 1>to talk about what we should and shouldn't be doing

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<v Speaker 1>with our trees this time of year. Too many people

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<v Speaker 1>do too much to their trees this time of year.

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<v Speaker 1>So if any of that applies to you, you are

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<v Speaker 1>not going to want to miss it. Let me introduce

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<v Speaker 1>our awesome team. Elmer is on the board. Good morning, Elmer,

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<v Speaker 1>Good morning, Dean. Elmer has such energy today, I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 1>tell you because he's working on like two hours sleep.

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<v Speaker 1>So it was a good night last night, Elmer. It

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<v Speaker 1>was a good night. You did your job, and so

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<v Speaker 1>now he's making it work for us. Producers. Matt and

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<v Speaker 1>NICKI are standing by to take calls, and yes, I

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<v Speaker 1>am going to try and take calls today. So there

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<v Speaker 1>they are. They are they are here? Are they are

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<v Speaker 1>they near mic?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>They mic both here? All right, turn them on. I

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<v Speaker 1>can't see him here. Hello, Hello, good hello, Hello, Hey guys.

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<v Speaker 1>It's good to talk to you. You know, it's almost

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<v Speaker 1>it's so rare that you guys are actually near a

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<v Speaker 1>microphone when I'm introducing you in the mornings, because you're

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<v Speaker 1>already screening calls. I already see one call up on

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<v Speaker 1>the board anyway, us saying hi and so happy that

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<v Speaker 1>you guys are here. Thanks for having us. And you

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<v Speaker 1>can tell Nikki, you can tell from her accent that

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<v Speaker 1>she is from Georgia. I'm pretty or Kentucky. I'm pretty

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<v Speaker 1>sure he's south right here. And of course, my buddy,

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<v Speaker 1>Eileen Gonzalez at the news desk, Good morning, Eileen, Good morning, Dean.

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<v Speaker 1>How's it going. It's going good, It's going good. It's

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<v Speaker 1>cloudy and rainy and drizzly, but you know, it's springtime,

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<v Speaker 1>so I'm embracing the whole thing. Do we have a

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<v Speaker 1>tea of choice this morning? Oh? We're three cups in,

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<v Speaker 1>Oh ginger lemon to start today. Ease myself in, and

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<v Speaker 1>now two cups of green tea later. I'm ready to go.

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<v Speaker 1>She had an entire plan, She had a full on

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<v Speaker 1>she had a full on tea strategy. I did he

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<v Speaker 1>planned it out all right? Well, all right, so the

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<v Speaker 1>team is here taking good care of you along with me,

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<v Speaker 1>I would normally say, sitting across the table from me,

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<v Speaker 1>my better half, Tina, she is here, She is here.

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<v Speaker 1>I think she's just stepped out of the studio talking

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<v Speaker 1>to Nicole Palladino right now, but we will hear from Tina.

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<v Speaker 1>I promise we'll get her back in here so she

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<v Speaker 1>can say hi to everybody. All right, let's get started,

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<v Speaker 1>shall we. We will sit down here in just a

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<v Speaker 1>couple of minutes and have a discussion about backyard birds

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<v Speaker 1>with my very special guest, Richard armor Ding.

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<v Speaker 2>Right after you're listening to Home with Dean Sharp on

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<v Speaker 2>demand from KFI AM six forty.

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<v Speaker 1>Dean Sharp, the house whisper here at your service to

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<v Speaker 1>help you take your home to the next level. And

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<v Speaker 1>the way that we are doing that today is we're

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<v Speaker 1>talking about springtime, the birds that visit us, the bees,

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<v Speaker 1>all of those kinds of things that we actually want

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<v Speaker 1>more of in our gardens. Let's start off today with birds,

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<v Speaker 1>and I have my dear friend, very special guest, Richard Armording,

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<v Speaker 1>who is the owner of wild Birds Unlimited out here

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<v Speaker 1>in Thousand Oaks, and my own resident bird expert. Richard.

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<v Speaker 1>Thanks for being on the program again, my friend, thanks

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<v Speaker 1>for having me. Let's talk about the state of birds

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<v Speaker 1>right now.

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<v Speaker 3>Springtime is an exciting time and for birds and for

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<v Speaker 3>the birds in our backyard. Spring's nesting season, and so

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<v Speaker 3>birds are very active building nests, attracting mates, feeding their

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<v Speaker 3>babies once they hatch. So there's a lot of great activity.

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<v Speaker 3>The usually the male birds are singing a lot because

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<v Speaker 3>they want to establish territories, they want to attract a female,

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<v Speaker 3>so there's a lot of great sounds. There's a lot

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<v Speaker 3>of great activity.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's the dating scene, the dating and the family

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<v Speaker 1>scene happening all around us. Another just side note, and

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<v Speaker 1>we'll talk more about this with one of our other

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<v Speaker 1>guests this morning. But not a great time to kind

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<v Speaker 1>of randomly prune trees.

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<v Speaker 3>Definitely not. Birds are building nests and one of the

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<v Speaker 3>things they do is they try very very hard to

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<v Speaker 3>make the nests invisible because they want their babies to

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<v Speaker 3>be safe from predators, and so they go to great

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<v Speaker 3>lengths to make them almost impossible to see. And so

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<v Speaker 3>if we're out there trimming our trees, we may not

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<v Speaker 3>see a nest that's got eggs or chicks in it.

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<v Speaker 1>So once that's disrupted, that's it. That's most of the time. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, there's the rare story of like I put

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<v Speaker 1>the nest back up in it. Yeah, But yeah, but.

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<v Speaker 3>If a nest falls out with eggs in it, the

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<v Speaker 3>eggs are going to crack. If the babies are not

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<v Speaker 3>self sufficient and they fall on the ground, there's a

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<v Speaker 3>good chance that they won't make it. So springtime is

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<v Speaker 3>not a good time to do any kind of tree pruning.

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<v Speaker 3>It's best to wait until fall. October, November, early December

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<v Speaker 3>is the best time.

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<v Speaker 1>For the sake of the trees and for the sake

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<v Speaker 1>of the birds as well. Yeah, because birds the little misnomer,

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<v Speaker 1>big misnomer. I think a lot of people, other than

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<v Speaker 1>maybe Big Bird on Sesame Street, birds don't live in nests.

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<v Speaker 1>They don't live in their nests.

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<v Speaker 3>No, that really the only time they use nests or

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<v Speaker 3>holes in trees is when they are actually sitting on

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<v Speaker 3>eggs or feeding babies that have hatched before the baby's fledge.

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<v Speaker 1>So we don't have to worry about that nest, come fall,

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<v Speaker 1>that abandoned nest.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, if you find a nest in a tree in

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<v Speaker 3>the fall, you know, anytime after about July or August,

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<v Speaker 3>it's almost certainly not going to be in use.

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<v Speaker 1>What is the how do you relate to people when

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<v Speaker 1>coming to the store. What's the importance of backyard birds.

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<v Speaker 3>Birds put a smile on people's face. They you know,

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<v Speaker 3>they come in and they've got some big grin on

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<v Speaker 3>their face. They say, oh, guess what I saw in

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<v Speaker 3>my yard today. I saw a woodpecker at my bird feeder.

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<v Speaker 3>I've never seen one before, and they're just so happy.

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<v Speaker 3>It brings them joy.

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<v Speaker 1>As a as a home designer, you wouldn't think that

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<v Speaker 1>birds would be part of my purview, right you Like,

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<v Speaker 1>you're supposed to be building houses and stuff like that.

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<v Speaker 1>But here's a reality something that that I've noticed that

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<v Speaker 1>is well, it's it's something I've learned that's part of

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<v Speaker 1>a and I'm very grateful about this, a new surge

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<v Speaker 1>of what we call biophilic design inside the architectural community,

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<v Speaker 1>and that is a love embracing the love of nature,

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<v Speaker 1>embracing nature bringing it inside, at least visually and audibly.

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<v Speaker 1>And one of the things that we've learned that for

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<v Speaker 1>a human being, when it comes to distressing a human being,

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<v Speaker 1>there is literally nothing more distressing audibly than the sound

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<v Speaker 1>of bird song. And they've run these studies now up

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<v Speaker 1>against you know, kind of like that relaxation tonal stuff

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<v Speaker 1>that you can get on an app, which is lovely

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<v Speaker 1>or total silence. You know, everybody I think understands that

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<v Speaker 1>the noise of the city is literally city noise, urban noise,

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<v Speaker 1>traffic noise. It is literally it translates into the human

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<v Speaker 1>psyche as stress. There's no avoiding that. Right. People may love,

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<v Speaker 1>they say, I love living in the city, but the

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<v Speaker 1>fact of the matter is that noise is stress. I

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<v Speaker 1>mean for everybody, city dwellers and country dwellers alike. But

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<v Speaker 1>when when we sit there and actually monitor brain wave

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<v Speaker 1>response and stress levels, cortisol levels. Okay, so what's the

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<v Speaker 1>alternative to this silence? Is that the most relaxing thing?

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<v Speaker 1>Is it this binaural music stuff that we you know,

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<v Speaker 1>the gray noise and the white noise that we've developed,

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<v Speaker 1>or the blue noise or bird song and you and

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<v Speaker 1>there's no competition between them. Studies have shown that bird's

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<v Speaker 1>song relaxes. And I have a theory about this, well,

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<v Speaker 1>others have a theory about it, but I agree with it.

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<v Speaker 1>And that is for all of this time, for millions

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<v Speaker 1>of years, we've lived essentially an outdoor life, and birds

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<v Speaker 1>being so hyper sensitive about the presence of predators or

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<v Speaker 1>threats or fire or whatever. Right that anytime there is

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<v Speaker 1>a threat happening in nature, birds go silent because they

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<v Speaker 1>don't they don't want to give off their location. Right, Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>So there is something that even if you'd never realize that,

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<v Speaker 1>if you don't even know that, there's something about waking

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<v Speaker 1>up in the morning and hearing a yard full of

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<v Speaker 1>birds just happily going about their business that, on some

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know, evolutionary subconscious level tells our minds, Hey,

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<v Speaker 1>everything's okay, everything is okay. That is just miraculous and wonderful.

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<v Speaker 1>It really is. It really is. So birds song is

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<v Speaker 1>something that we really need as human beings.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. Yeah, the color of the birds is great. To watch,

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<v Speaker 3>the sound of them singing, the movement, just the activity.

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<v Speaker 3>It all plays an effect on our brains helps us

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<v Speaker 3>to relax, take stress away.

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<v Speaker 1>Awesome. Okay, so we're gonna take a break. When we

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<v Speaker 1>come back, I want to talk to you about how

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<v Speaker 1>do people get started? Just like, all right, I'm convinced

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<v Speaker 1>now I need birds, and but I have not heard

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<v Speaker 1>also you and I need to talk about my current

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<v Speaker 1>to continue this talk with my very special guest, Richard

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<v Speaker 1>for another segment? Absolutely? All right.

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<v Speaker 1>Dean Sharp the house whisper here with you on yet

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<v Speaker 1>another lovely spring Sunday morning, and today we are talking

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<v Speaker 1>and that is bringing life, landscape, nature back, bringing us

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<v Speaker 1>much nature back. At every home, whether it's a human

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<v Speaker 1>We just have to face that fact. Again. We don't

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<v Speaker 1>that we have this thriving ecology around us. And there

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<v Speaker 1>are one hundred different reasons why it is good for

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<v Speaker 1>talking about that today specifically, right now, we're talking about birds,

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<v Speaker 1>backyard birds with my very special in studio guest, Richard

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<v Speaker 1>Armor Dang, owner of wild Birds Unlimited out here in

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<v Speaker 1>Thousand Oaks. Richard, getting started, you, of all people, are

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<v Speaker 1>imminently qualified to tell us is because that's what wild

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<v Speaker 1>Bird's Unlimited is all about, getting people started. So let's

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<v Speaker 1>say we got no clue, but we've decided, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>all right, deans convinced me I need birds in my yard.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't have birds in my yard. What do I do?

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<v Speaker 3>It's real simple to get started. You need food for

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<v Speaker 3>the birds. Is gonna be the first thing you want

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<v Speaker 3>to do to attract them into your yard. A simple

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<v Speaker 3>little feeder with some bird seed in it, particularly sunflower seed.

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<v Speaker 3>It's called black oil sunflower seed. Almost all of our

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<v Speaker 3>backyard birds love to eat it. And it's real simple

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<v Speaker 3>to get started. Do you hang up a feeder, you

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<v Speaker 3>put some bird seed in it, wait a little while,

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<v Speaker 1>Now, what about those people. I've already heard some folks say, Hey,

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<v Speaker 1>that feeding birds in my backyard is disrupting their normal cycle,

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<v Speaker 1>all of that kind of stuff, like we shouldn't be

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<v Speaker 3>Well, birds when there is a bird feeder available, only

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<v Speaker 3>get about one fifth of their diet from the bird feeder.

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<v Speaker 3>The rest of their diet comes from natural sources. So

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<v Speaker 3>if that feeder were to go empty for a period

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<v Speaker 3>of time, they would not starve. They would just simp

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<v Speaker 3>one of their other food sources.

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<v Speaker 1>So we're not acting like drug dealers where we're making

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<v Speaker 1>the birds dependent upon us, and it's supplemental.

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<v Speaker 3>It is we're making their life a little bit easier,

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<v Speaker 3>and we reap the benefit of that by being able

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<v Speaker 3>to see them and hear them in our yard. So

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<v Speaker 3>the birds enjoy it, they have a relatively easy meal,

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<v Speaker 3>and we get the benefit of having them right there

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, So now you talked about sunflower seeds, black oil,

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<v Speaker 1>sunflower seeds as a kind of a universal just a

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<v Speaker 1>great easy you know, I mean broad spectrum kind of food,

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<v Speaker 1>but you guys sell very specific mixes to attract different

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<v Speaker 1>kinds of birds.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, to some extent, there are specific birds that like

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<v Speaker 3>to eat specific foods. There are some birds that are

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<v Speaker 3>strictly insect eaters. Bluebirds, for example, almost entirely their entire

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<v Speaker 3>diet is almost all insects, so they are unlikely to

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<v Speaker 3>go for sunflower seed. But there are other things that

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<v Speaker 3>you can put out that will attract these other kinds

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<v Speaker 3>of birds. There are other kinds of birds that aren't

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<v Speaker 3>particularly fond of sunflower seeds, so millet is another option.

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<v Speaker 3>Peanuts are very popular with certain birds. So as you

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<v Speaker 3>get more and more into it can expand the types

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<v Speaker 3>of foods that you're putting out for birds and increase

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<v Speaker 3>the variety.

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<v Speaker 1>Of birds that you see in your yard. So by

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<v Speaker 1>expanding that you can draw more in and different sizes

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<v Speaker 1>of birds as well. You know, we've got a woodpecker.

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<v Speaker 1>We have two woodpecker feeders that we use that have

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<v Speaker 1>larger nuts and things like that. For the larger birds

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<v Speaker 1>like blue jays and woodpeckers are very much attracted to

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<v Speaker 1>that and they stay away from the smaller feeders, which

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<v Speaker 1>you know, the wrens and the sparrows and the finches

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<v Speaker 1>just mob on a daily basis and it's great just

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<v Speaker 1>to have everybody around, everybody around. And then there are

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<v Speaker 1>plants that we've got, like we have a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>sage in our backyard that the hummers, the hummingbirds love. Yes, Now,

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<v Speaker 1>if you don't have those kinds of things, there are

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<v Speaker 1>hummingbird feeders as well.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, hummingbird feeders are another supplemental food. Hummingbirds get more

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<v Speaker 3>than half of their diet from eating insects. They catch

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<v Speaker 3>little flying insects and that makes up about sixty percent

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<v Speaker 3>of their diet. But they also like to eat nectar

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<v Speaker 3>from flowers, which is essentially sugar water. So if you

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<v Speaker 3>have a hummingbird feeder with sugar water in it, you

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<v Speaker 3>can put that somewhere where you can attract the hummingbirds

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<v Speaker 3>to someplace maybe where you can see them.

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<v Speaker 1>A little bit easier. And why are hummingbird feeders always red?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, most of the flowers that they like to eat

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<v Speaker 3>from are red, and so they are just naturally attracted

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<v Speaker 3>to the color red, and so hummingbird feeders have been

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<v Speaker 3>made red to help to attract them.

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<v Speaker 1>And do we know why hummingbirds are naturally attracted to

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<v Speaker 1>red as opposed to just all the other flowers out there.

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<v Speaker 1>I do, you do? I do? Tell me, I'm going

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<v Speaker 1>to learn something. Okay, here's the thing, right, So, when

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<v Speaker 1>it comes to nectar, who are the only other individuals

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<v Speaker 1>that hummingbirds are competing with? Bees? Bees? Bees have an

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<v Speaker 1>incredible span of of vision in their spectrum, but their

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<v Speaker 1>spectrum of vision moves from our normal spectrum and slides

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<v Speaker 1>far into the ultraviolet, the blue side of things. So

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<v Speaker 1>bees see bright colors in certain flowers that you and

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<v Speaker 1>I think are just drab and just normally fade in.

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<v Speaker 1>But they don't. They don't see red. Red flowers are

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<v Speaker 1>relatively meaningless to a bee. They are not out there flashing, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>nectar source and I believe that somehow evolutionarily, hummingbirds who

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<v Speaker 1>get frustrated arriving at a flower to find out that

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<v Speaker 1>the bees have already drained it, have gravitated towards because

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<v Speaker 1>the hummingbirds can see into the red spectrum really well.

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<v Speaker 1>So hummingbirds go for red flowers because they know that

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<v Speaker 1>the bees haven't been there. That makes a lot of sense,

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<v Speaker 1>and that's just again, just amazing right, just amazing. All right,

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<v Speaker 1>we're going to take a break. Can you stay for

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<v Speaker 1>one more with sure, We're gonna take a break, We're

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<v Speaker 1>gonna come back. We're gonna talk about my Feeble Life list,

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<v Speaker 1>which will maybe impress a lot of people, but the

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<v Speaker 1>goal is to get people excited about that. And then

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<v Speaker 1>also when it comes to the feeders, let's talk about

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<v Speaker 1>the prop the problematic practicality, Squirrels, rats, rodents, the things

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<v Speaker 1>that also get attracted around bird feeders that we don't

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<v Speaker 1>necessarily want an abundance of in our yard. So you

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<v Speaker 1>can hang on, I can all right.

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<v Speaker 2>You're listening to Home with Dean Sharp on demand from

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<v Speaker 1>Always a privilege and a pleasure to be with you

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<v Speaker 1>on a Sunday morning, especially a beautiful spring Sunday morning.

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<v Speaker 1>And I say that in all seriousness. It doesn't matter

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<v Speaker 1>whether it's cloudy or rainy or sunny where you are.

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<v Speaker 1>Springtime is just a beautiful time of year. Southern California

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<v Speaker 1>is actually having here's an unexpected thing. We are having

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<v Speaker 1>a full blown traditional spring. There are days in which

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<v Speaker 1>sky and clouds all in the same day. That is

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<v Speaker 1>called spring everywhere else in the world, and we are

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<v Speaker 1>having it. And so we're talking about the benefits of spring,

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<v Speaker 1>what's happening in spring around us, especially at our homes,

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<v Speaker 1>in our backyards, and how to maximize the life that

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<v Speaker 1>is happening there. We're talking about birds right now, backyard

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<v Speaker 1>birds with my very special guest, Richard Armording from wild

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<v Speaker 1>Birds Unlimited. He's the owner operator of the wild Birds

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<v Speaker 1>Unlimited out here in Thousand Oaks. Okay, so we've talked

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<v Speaker 1>about getting started, let's talk about the problems that people

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<v Speaker 1>bring up. I put a bird feeder in my backyard

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<v Speaker 1>and the next thing, you know, it was covered. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>we had rats everywhere, or squirrels were stealing all the food,

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, those are real common issues that people bring up.

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<v Speaker 3>They come in the store, their fresh straded. There are

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<v Speaker 3>some solutions. Squirrels are a challenge because they are very clever,

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<v Speaker 3>they're very agile, they are very tenacious. They don't give

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<v Speaker 3>up easily. But there are ways that you can feed

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<v Speaker 3>the birds without feeding the squirrels. Rats are insidious in

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<v Speaker 3>southern California. They're all over the place. If there is

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<v Speaker 3>a lot of bird food that gets dumped on the ground,

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<v Speaker 3>they're going to find it. But there are some solutions

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<v Speaker 3>to that too, to keep the amount of food that

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, so let's talk about the rats first. Because the rats,

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<v Speaker 1>rats and mice are they're not as athletic as squirrels. No,

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<v Speaker 1>squirrels are like super I mean, they are incredible. We

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<v Speaker 1>that you're about to hear Richard describe, and still one squirrel,

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<v Speaker 1>one squirrel has figured out how to how to break through,

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<v Speaker 1>and still and I'll have to describe to you how

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<v Speaker 1>Tina and I are like, you know what, buddy, have it,

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<v Speaker 1>have at it. You have earned it. You know, he's

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<v Speaker 1>not depleting the supply that bad. And we're like, we're

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<v Speaker 1>proud of you. We're so proud that you have gotten

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<v Speaker 1>through all of these hurdles, and so you deserve every

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<v Speaker 1>little seed you get there. But generally speaking, they all work.

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<v Speaker 1>But let's talk about rats first, because rats have certain limitations.

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<v Speaker 1>Rats can't jump four feet vertically in the air or

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<v Speaker 1>anything like that. Right, So the real concern with rats

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<v Speaker 1>is the refuse, the stuff that spills out onto the ground.

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<v Speaker 1>How do you stop that?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, the first thing you want to do is use

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<v Speaker 3>a blend of seed that doesn't have a lot of

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<v Speaker 3>filler seed or any filler seed in it. A lot

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<v Speaker 3>of seed blends that you get maybe at the grocery store,

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<v Speaker 3>at the hardware store, they put seeds in there that

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<v Speaker 3>are very inexpensive. They want to bring the price down,

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<v Speaker 3>but the birds aren't interested in needing them, so they

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<v Speaker 3>food source for the rats. So there is a big

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<v Speaker 3>difference in birds seed absolutely. Okay, we mentioned before sunflower

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<v Speaker 3>But there's other very common seeds that go into mixes,

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<v Speaker 3>like a seed called red milo. It's these little red balls.

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<v Speaker 3>The birds won't touch it. I see that all the

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<v Speaker 3>time in those little package. You can see all the

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<v Speaker 3>red specks in there. Yeah, they have no interest in it.

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<v Speaker 3>Birds have no interest in it. But the rodents on

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<v Speaker 3>the ground they love it. They're happy with it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, what about shells like you talked about sunflower seeds before.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, the birds don't eat the shells. They crack up

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<v Speaker 3>in the shell, they eat the inside, they throw the

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<v Speaker 3>shell on the ground. Those shells sometimes have little bits

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<v Speaker 3>of seed left in them, and that can be an

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<v Speaker 3>attractive source for the rodents on the ground as well.

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<v Speaker 3>So one option is to use seed that doesn't have

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<v Speaker 3>shells on it. We have what's called our no Mess

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<v Speaker 3>seed blends. It's just the edible part of the seed.

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<v Speaker 3>The birds eat it all. They don't drop those shells

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<v Speaker 3>on the ground, and that's one less thing that's on

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<v Speaker 3>there down there to attract those unwanted rats.

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<v Speaker 1>So without that just sort of detritus laying around, it's

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<v Speaker 1>just it. And we have found that, just so everybody

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<v Speaker 1>knows to be absolutely true. We use only no Mess

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<v Speaker 1>seed blends. So they are all pre shelled, right, They

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<v Speaker 1>are just the seed itself, all seeds that the birds want, right,

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<v Speaker 1>so they don't throw excess away. But of course, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, they're not sitting there with napkins and silverware.

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<v Speaker 1>Birds are not very neat feeders, so some fall to

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<v Speaker 1>the ground even when I refill the bird feeders, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>some of it falls onto the ground. But what we

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<v Speaker 1>notice is as we're out watching the birds hit the feeders,

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<v Speaker 1>that the larger birds, like our mourning doves, who aren't

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<v Speaker 1>going to sit on these small feeder perches, they will

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<v Speaker 1>be the first ones down on the ground. We'll we'll

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<v Speaker 1>have finches and sparrows and all sorts of stuff happening

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<v Speaker 1>up above and down below. The turtle doves all fly

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<v Speaker 1>in occasionally a jay or something like that, some of

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<v Speaker 1>the larger birds, and they're just cleaning up around the bottom.

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<v Speaker 1>And honestly, at the end of the day, there are

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<v Speaker 1>no seeds laying on the ground underneath our seat, our feeders, yep,

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<v Speaker 1>and therefore no rats.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, the doves like you mentioned, and there's other birds

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<v Speaker 3>like junkos and toys that love to eat on the ground.

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<v Speaker 1>They're your cleanup crew there, it is. Okay, So now

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<v Speaker 1>squirrels tricky. They're tricky squirrels. We really should get the

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<v Speaker 1>feeders up off the ground to a certain degree and

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<v Speaker 1>away from objects that they can cling to and then

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<v Speaker 1>jump over, because they've got a pretty good horizontal you know,

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<v Speaker 1>leaping rang.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, they can jump eight to ten feet horizontal.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, they can but most of the time squirrels not

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<v Speaker 1>being stupid, they're gonna come down from above if they can.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's where like a squirrel baffle comes into play. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>there's a couple different kinds of squirrel baffles. There's baffles

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<v Speaker 1>that can stop them from climbing down from above, like

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<v Speaker 1>you mentioned. There's also baffles that you can put on

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<v Speaker 1>a pole if you've got hanging from a pole, to

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<v Speaker 1>stop them from climbing up that pole. To keep them

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<v Speaker 1>away from the feeder. Again, they are very good jumpers,

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<v Speaker 1>so you have to keep that feeder far enough away

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<v Speaker 1>from trees or fences that they can jump from. And

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<v Speaker 1>there are squirrel proof feeders as well that have mechanisms

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<v Speaker 1>on them that close off with the extra weight of

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<v Speaker 1>the squirrel to keep them they get to the feeder,

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<v Speaker 1>to keep them from eating the food that's in there, right,

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<v Speaker 1>because the little perches there are like spring loaded, right,

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<v Speaker 1>And the birds who weigh nothing because hollow but I

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<v Speaker 1>mean birds just weigh nothing when they're sitting there, no problem.

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<v Speaker 1>But as soon as the weight of this you know,

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<v Speaker 1>relatively large roadent gets on there, their own weight pulls

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<v Speaker 1>the door shut. Yep. And so it's just like, oh.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, and they learn pretty quickly that they're not going

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<v Speaker 3>to get any food out of and they don't waste

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<v Speaker 3>their time with it. Yep, all right, Oh my gosh,

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<v Speaker 3>we ran all right, we're real quick. We're running late,

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<v Speaker 3>but real quick. In my yard, I have made a

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<v Speaker 3>life list, a life list for those of you who

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<v Speaker 3>don't know nerd bird community stuff. Life lists are like

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<v Speaker 3>what what a birder? All the birds that a birder

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<v Speaker 3>has spotted. We've made a specific lifeless just for our

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<v Speaker 3>yard because we want to keep track of and keep

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<v Speaker 3>encouraging bird species. And when people say, okay, so how

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<v Speaker 3>many species on your lifeless, and they're always shocked when

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<v Speaker 3>I say, well, as of right now, I've got thirty

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<v Speaker 3>eight different species of birds. And most people are like,

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<v Speaker 3>oh my god, thirty eight species that I thought there

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<v Speaker 3>were just a few sparrows and stuff out there.

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<v Speaker 1>People are always amazed, except you. You're not amazed because

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<v Speaker 1>when I first proudly told you, Richard, listen, I got

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<v Speaker 1>my I'm up in the thirties, and you're like, good,

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<v Speaker 1>you got like you sort of like patted me on

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<v Speaker 1>the head. You pat them. That's a good, that's good.

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<v Speaker 1>That's a good starting because how many birds have you

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<v Speaker 1>got in your yard? I don't know the exact number,

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<v Speaker 1>but it's in the nineties, oh my god, the nineties.

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<v Speaker 3>And I've read about people in certain parts of the

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<v Speaker 3>country that have like two hundred birds on their yard list,

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<v Speaker 3>and that.

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<v Speaker 1>I understand because I just think everywhere else is just

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<v Speaker 1>more plentiful than here in so many ways. But the

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<v Speaker 1>fact of the matter is, I mean, you live right

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<v Speaker 1>here with us, and so ninety different species of birds

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<v Speaker 1>that can and will come into your home.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, some of those are rarities that probably will never

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<v Speaker 3>ever show up again. But you know, just over the

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<v Speaker 3>course of twenty some odd years, we've been keeping real

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<v Speaker 3>good records of what we see. We're constantly looking out

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<v Speaker 3>in the yard, and when something new shows up, we

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<v Speaker 3>get really excited.

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<v Speaker 1>So do we? So do we? I mean, I'm excited

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<v Speaker 1>about my thirty eight right now because they are regular customers. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>there's only a couple of like rare sightings on there.

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<v Speaker 1>Otherwise they are just regular attendees of life in our yard,

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<v Speaker 1>and we're so proud of they're your friends, and that's

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<v Speaker 1>something that everybody can achieve. Yes, if I can achieve

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<v Speaker 1>thirty something, You're like, oh, that's easy, that's easy, Richard.

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<v Speaker 1>Thanks so much for spending the time this morning a pleasure.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, y'all, you are listening to Home with Dean

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