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Dogmanencounters dot com Forward Slash Podcast. Hey everyone, thanks so

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much for joining us for another livestream episode of Dogman

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Encounters Radio. Really appreciate you being here. For years upon years,

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I've told Dogman eyewitnesses that unfortunately, these guys are masters

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at pushing our buttons. They just know exactly what to do,

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just the right or I should say, maybe you're the

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wrong moment to really get the maximum effect out of

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the encounters they forced to happen with us. It really

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isn't fortunate. It's not like they're frightening enough to look at.

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But when you add the fact that they're so good

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and knowing how to frighten us on top of that,

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it's no wonder that these encounters are so traumatic for

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so many eyewitnesses. Well, when you listen to what happened

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to tonight's guest when she had the two encounters that

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she had, it's a testament to what I've been preaching

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for all these years. The dog man she encountered it

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did what it did for maximum effect. That's all there

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is to that. Well, without any more delay, let's bring

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her in here now. Tonight's guest is Mindy. Mindy, Welcome

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to the show.

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Speaker 1: Hi, thanks so much for having me. I hope that

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you can hear me well.

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Speaker 2: Loud and clear, and thanks so much for being here.

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Really appreciate it. Mindy. Please give us a brief bio

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on yourself.

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Speaker 1: Well, I'm originally from Georgia and I moved to Maryland

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a few years ago and I live here with my

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boyfriend and our two dogs.

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Speaker 2: Well, since one of your dogs plays a role and

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what we're going to talk about tonight, first thing right

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off the top, please tell us about her.

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Speaker 1: The dog that was with me during the encounter is

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now three years old. She was two years old at

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the time. She is half American bulldog and half yellow

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Labrador Retriever. She's the type of dog that you know

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when you take her outside, she always wants to point

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at the other animals. So you can say, look at

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the bird, and she'll point with her paw at the bird,

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or you can say look at the squirrel, and she'll

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go and look for the squirrel, look at the deer,

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so she loves to do that, and that also plays

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a role in our encounter.

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Speaker 2: That's an interesting combination there. Does she look more like

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an American bulldog or more like a lab?

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Speaker 1: She looks more like a lab in the face, but

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she does have that chest of a bulldog, if that

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makes sense.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that does sounds like a neat dog. Lucky to

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have her, you really are definitely yeah, I'll bet it

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sure sounds like it. Without giving any details, Mindy, from

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your encounters, please tell us about how those encounters have

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seemed to affect her well.

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Speaker 1: She has definitely. She used to be more outgoing. She

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would walk up to strangers and want to be petted

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and never had an enemy. But now every time we

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go outside, if she hears a strange noise, she'll slip

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out of her harness or slip out of her collar,

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and she'll try to run to the door to get inside.

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And when she saw this, she was shaking like a leaf.

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And she was seventy three pounds at the time.

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Speaker 2: Poor thing. Yeah, it's no wonder she was shaken like

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a leaf. That's how these guys affect almost all dogs

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out there, even ones that are well over one hundred pounds.

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They just have that effect on them. Won't that effect

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on people also? And for good reason. They're awfully frightening

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to be around and look at. Early in your life,

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from what I understand, something happened to you that just

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might play a role in you having these dog me

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and encounters and these other pureanormal experiences that you've been

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made beer. Please go into detail on that.

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Speaker 1: Well. I had some early childhood trauma at a young age.

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I watched my sister get hit by a car and

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become paralyzed from the neck down. And they were always

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strangers in our house. Who were you know, the nurses.

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She had to have twenty four hour nursing and at

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a certain point in time, a team of the nurses

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asked me if I wanted to play a game, and

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they brought in a Weiji board, and so I thought

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they were playing a game. I've had paranormal encounters because

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of that since that time, and it's definitely not a game.

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So I highly advise you to never touch one of

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's really good advice for me. How they made

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you participate and that was just even more over the top,

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absolutely horrible. Please tell us more about that.

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Speaker 1: Well, they asked me. They came into my bedroom and said, hey,

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do you want to play a game with us? Then

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I said, okay, I think I was playing Nintendo at

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the time. And so they said, all right, well, we're

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going to come in and we're going to sit in

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a circle, and they lit some candles and they shut

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the bedroom door and they turn the lights off, and

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they said, we're going to hold hands. And something you

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have to know about this room is that there used

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to be a door to the outside, and my dad

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had walled that off and expanded the room and added

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the bathroom, so I had my own bathroom and that

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door is no longer there, but it would have been

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right next to my bed. And so we're sitting in

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a circle, we're holding hands, and one of the nurses says,

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if there's anyone here with us, then move our hands.

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of the nurses and I said, you're doing that, and

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she said, no, I'm not. And then I looked at

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the other nurse and I said, then you're doing that

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and she said no, I'm not. And if you you know,

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think that we're lying. Then you ask a question, and

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I said, okay, And I looked at my bedroom door

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and I said, if something's here with us, then knock

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on the bedroom door. And there was a knock at

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the door. But there was a knock at the door

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from the garage, and it was just a continuous knocking.

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It started off really softly, and then it knocked louder

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and louder and louder and louder until it was literally

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shaking the side of the house and it woke my

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parents up from upstairs.

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Speaker 2: Wow, that is really freaky. It really is. Holy cow. Yes,

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an experience like that that makes it awfully hard to

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have a well adjusted life. But you have. After all

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these things you've experienced, you're still very well adjusted, which

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that's awfully impressive.

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Speaker 1: I just do the best I can, so oh all

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you can do.

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Speaker 2: You're definitely doing it. You definitely are. I'm not sure

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if you realize this, not mindy, but tonight is just

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about a year, exactly a year to the day almost

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from when you had that group of dog mean encounters,

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because your encounter has happened on the twenty second of

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June last year.

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Speaker 1: You said, yes, June twenty second, twenty twenty four.

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Speaker 2: Did you realize that I did?

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Speaker 1: Okay, I figured out stry to make me a little nervous.

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Speaker 2: Don't be nervous. Yeah, that doesn't make it any more

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likely to That're sure you can have another encounter, so

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you should be just fine. You should now that we're

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about a year into the future from those experiences. Have

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you been dealing with all those things that come along

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with having two encounters?

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Speaker 1: Well, like I said, I just do the best I can.

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I don't like taking my dogs out at night by myself.

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I prefer having my boyfriend with me, so there's two

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of us. I just feel like we're less likely to

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see something if there's more than one person outside. I

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live in a really quiet community. My apartment building is

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really quiet, so people aren't really up late that I've noticed,

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at least not in my building in the building surrounding me.

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So I'm just trying to deal with it the best

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way that I can, which is just to pretty much

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avoid being outside at night by myself.

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Speaker 2: Does your boyfriend know about those encounters?

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Speaker 1: He does. I told him immediately because he was working

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late at night when this happened. At the time, he

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was working at a bar and the bar was open

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until like two thirty at three o'clock in the morning,

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and so this happened around one thirty in the morning,

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and I messaged him to be really careful when he

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comes home because we saw something in the grassy area

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and it was big.

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Speaker 2: How did he take that? Did he take that well?

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Speaker 1: Or he did He said he would be careful, and

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he believes me. He believes in cryptids. I was a skeptic.

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I never believed in cryptids. I believed in ghost because

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of the encounters that I'd had as a child, but

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I never believed in any cryptids until I was face

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to face with this one.

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Speaker 2: And now, you know, unfortunately, y unfortunately yeah, yeah, I'd say,

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all right, mindy, please tell us about your encounters. Now

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give us every last detail that comes to mind.

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Speaker 1: Okay, Well, we have to start with the fact that

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I was playing video games with my friends, and that'll

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come into play later. I was playing Fortnite, which is

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a very popular game, and the character that I was

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playing ass is a white wolf character named Bulpees. So

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it looks like. It looks like the white wolf. My

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older dog came and notified me that she had to

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go potty. So I told my friends, hey, I'm going

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to sit out for a little bit. I've got to

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take my dog's potty. I'll be back. So I took

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my older dog out no issues, came back in, grabbed

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my younger dog to take her out, and across the

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street from me, like I said, is this field. The

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field is owned by the power company, so it's about

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a football field in length I would estimate. But my

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apartment community at the time, they didn't do any maintenance

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on the field. They didn't mow the grass or anything

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like that. They just let it grow because it wasn't

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wasn't their problem. It belonged to the power company, and

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the grass had grown to about four and a half

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to five feet tall. But typically there's beer over there

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all the time, anywhere from you know, five to sixty

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beer at one time you would see over there. They

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just loved it. So we were outside and I was

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letting my dog do you were busy. I heard what

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there's going to be a deer approaching us. So I

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turned around and I said, Diana, look at the deer.

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looking at was not a deer. I was looking at

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seven and a half to eight foot tall. What in

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my brain I could only describe as a werewolf, which

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sounds insane because I didn't believe in them. But my

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brain literally went, that is a werewolf. Werewolves don't exist.

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We're going to die. And I didn't know what to do.

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When I first saw it, it had its head to

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the side and it was sniffing the air, and then

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it turned its head slowly and it looked at me.

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It looked down at my dog and then back up

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at me, and so to describe it, it was very muscular.

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I could see one of its arms completely. Eggs were

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in the grass. I couldn't see its feet from what

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I could tell, they were more on the canine side.

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It had a tail that was twitching, its ears removing

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independently of each other. It had a long nose. Like

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I said, I could see it sniffing the air, so

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I could see its big ears with kind of like

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German shepherd ears. It had five fingers for lack of

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a better term on each hand, and the pawpad was

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similar to like a raccoon's popad. It was black and

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it had three inch curved black nails on each claw.

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And I just thought we were toast. I didn't know

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what to do. I started panicking. Time started to slow

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down like it does when you're in a life and

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desk situation, and I just knew this is a predator.

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no question. So I thought, what would you do if

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there was a bear or a mountain lion? So I

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puffed up my chest, and I moved my dog from

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my left hand to from my right hand to my

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left hand because I'm right handed, and I planted my

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feet and I stared at it directly in the eyes,

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going down without a fight. I'm at least going to

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try to save my dog. And I just waited on

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it to attack, and I stared it down. I gave

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it the meanest look I possibly could, and then I

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started slowly walking backwards. And as I started walking backwards,

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it made this really weird motion where it kind of

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shifted its hips to the left and then to the right,

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and it was halfway in the grass, and then it

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shifted tips to the left and then to the right again,

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and then I couldn't see it at all, so I

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didn't know if it was going to pounce on us.

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I didn't know if it was going to walk away.

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I couldn't see it. So I continued to walk us backwards,

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and I just kept my eyes trained on that spot.

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And then I got us into the house. I immediately

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dead bolted the door. I took my dog's leash off,

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I hung it up. Like I said, she was shaking

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like a leaf. I was having to pull her backwards

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when I was walking backwards. She didn't bark, she didn't

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make a noise. She was just shaking. And as soon

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as I dead bolted the door, I kind of put

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my back against the door and took a deep breath,

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and then I looked at my hand, and I was shaking,

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and I took two to three steps away from the door,

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and something jiggled the door handle. And I don't know

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if it was just bad timing or if this thing

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scented us and followed us, but I am leaning towards

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it scented us and followed us and tried to get

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into my apartment. And my dogs, which are very reactive

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if someone walks by outside, they're barking. They were very quiet,

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and they just looked at the door and then at me,

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and back at the door, and I just took a

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queue from them and stayed as silent as possible, and

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I tried to slow my breathing as much as possible,

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and I just tried to wait it out. And then

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when my dogs started to move around and act more normal,

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then I walked all the way into the living room

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and there was a close up of my character on

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the screen on the TV screen, and I just I

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didn't say bye to my friends. I just disconnected the

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xbox and turned it off, and I messaged my boyfriend

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and I said, I don't know what me and Diana

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just saw, but there's something big in the grass in

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the field, and you need to be very careful on

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the way home. Do not run walking into the house,

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but you need to be very careful. And that was

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that was our n Conner.

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Speaker 2: You poor thing. That's awfully traumatic. I'm wondering, though, well,

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I'm sure it was. It's kind of hard to answer

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this question, but how hard do you think this would

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have been to deal with if it wouldn't have come

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and jiggled your doorknob the way it did.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it definitely still would have been traumatic, but

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that was like the icing on the cake. That was

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just another level of it knows where I live, Like

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it followed me home, It knows where I live. And

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then I I am just wondering what would have happened

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had I not dead Both to the door. I know

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that it clearly was strong enough it could have just

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ripped the door off, but I was afraid to look

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out the peopole to see if it was a person

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or not, because what if it was staring back at

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me through the peopole, And would that have given it

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incentive to tear the door off and come inside? And

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then what would have happened?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, it didn't do anything it didn't want to do,

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and it did everything it did want to do. Like

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I told you when we had that first conversation, the

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biggest enemy when you have a dogman encounter, In almost

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every case. It's not always this way, because sometimes dog

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mean encounters do go bad, but in almost every case,

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the biggest enemy when it comes to having a dogman

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encounter is what your own imagination can come up with.

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What it can come up with it your imagination makes

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you believe the dog man wanted to do or might

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still do in the future. But like I told you,

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it did everything it wanted to do, and it didn't

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do anything it didn't want to do. That's the good

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news of it.

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Speaker 1: Now.

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Speaker 2: I hate the fact that it came back and or

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it came over and jiggled at your door knob, but yeah,

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these guys do that sort of thing all the time,

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but that's just to get her more of a rise

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out of you. I hate the fact that they love

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to push her buttons away. They do, but that's clearly

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why it did that, Like we talked about in that

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first conversation, like you just acknowledged, if I wanted to

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snatch that door out of your wall, it could have

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done that, But it didn't do that because that's not

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what it was out to do. It just wanted to

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get a rise out of you. Like I said, now

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to highlight how these things just love to push our buttons.

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Perfect example. I'm not sure how many years it's been

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since this happened, but there was a gentleman and his

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wife who are sitting watching They're having a TV night

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movie night, just sitting on their couch watching this movie.

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I think it was a Saturday night or something like that,

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and they had a bowl of popcorn and everything was

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just great. Well, one of them heard, maybe both of

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them heard this noise at this door that was on

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the side of their house. So the husband, he got

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up and walked over to investigate. Well, he grabbed the doorknob,

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unlocked the door, grabbed the doorknob and twisted it. He

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started to open the door to take a look out. Well,

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guess what was standing right there on the outside of

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that door with its hand on the outside door knob. Yeah,

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a dog man. And when he saw it and it

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made eye contact with him, he went he threw his

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shoulder against the door to close it. Well, it stopped

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him from closing it. I don't know how it did

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that with his hands or whatever, but it stopped the

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door from closing, and they basically had a push of war. Now,

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you're never gonna be able to outpush a dog man.

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You're never gonna be able to come close to it.

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But I mean, imagine the trauma that he was going through.

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His wife was going through. She could glance and look

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out the crack of that door and see what was

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on the other side, acting like it wanted to get

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in again. If I wanted to get in, it could

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have it could have just thrown that door open, even

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if feels pushing on it or not. But they went

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back and forth, back and forth. And I can't remember

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how that ended, if it just gave up and went

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away or what. But because that's been over ten years

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since found out about that, But I mean, that's just

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a perfect example how these guys will just go way

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out of their way to push our buttons and get

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a response out of us. It's horrible. It's horrible they

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do that, but that's their mo And if you're an eyewitness,

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it's vitally important you understand that it really is.

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Speaker 1: Well, it definitely was intimidating. It didn't snarl, it never

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growled at me. I never saw its teeth, So I

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wanted to highlight that it didn't seem like a bloodthirsty

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animal to me. It just seemed like I stumbled across

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the wild anal and I have no doubt that it

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was an animal that I was looking at and I

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could see the wheels ticking. I could see it trying

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to figure out what it wanted to do in its brain,

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because I can ask my dog, do you want to snack?

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And sometimes you'll think about it. And that was the

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same look that was on this creature's face, Like it

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was look it was thinking, you could tell, like it

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was pondering what to do with us.

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Speaker 2: Well, sure, it was just evaluating its options to push

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your buttons, and unfortunately it decided its best option was

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to cross the street and come up and jiggle your doorknob.

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But that doesn't surprise me, and not in the least.

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Talking about jiggling your doorknob. It's one thing to have

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an encounter when you're away from home, indeed, but yeah,

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your encounters when you were at home, Do them happening

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there at your home make it easier or harder for

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you to come to terms with them?

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Speaker 1: Oh much harder. Because if this was some place that

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I was visiting and I saw this, I would just

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never go back to that place and I would be fine.

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But I live here and I just signed my lease again,

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so I have to be here for you know, more

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than a year now and through next year and It's

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always on my mind. Is this thing territorial? Is this

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part of its territory? Was it just randomly passing through?

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Am I going to see it again? I don't want

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to see it again? Are there more? Do they hunt

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in packs? Do they hunt by themselves? Like? Were there

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more out there that I just didn't see? So that's

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on my mind all the time, and that again affects

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me from leaving my house at night because I'm always

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afraid I'm going to see another one. I will say,

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I do think my apartment or someone at my apartment

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complex also saw this thing, though no one has approached

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me and told me that they did. But two days

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after I had this encounter, every single unit had massive

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floodlights installed. They started paying the yard people to cut

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a few feet into the field and that has been continuous,

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and they also spend a couple of thousand dollar to

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build a fence around the dumpsters. There's a couple of

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dumpsters that are that butt up to that field line,

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and so the apartment complex has taken some preventative measures

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that I definitely didn't tell them what I saw because

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I didn't want to be seen as a crazy person.

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But I think somebody definitely saw something and took some action.

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Speaker 2: It sure sounds like they did. Yeah, someone who works

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for the building must have Those are pretty extreme measures.

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Dogs obviously have to go out at night too, not

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just during the daytime. I'm wondering, how did he handle that?

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How did you handle taking her out at night time?

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That couldn't have been easy at all for either one

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of you.

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Speaker 1: No, it hasn't been. It's easier for him because he

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didn't physically see what I saw, so he might have

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a picture in his mind of what that was. That

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he didn't see it face to face and I did,

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so there's a distinction there. He doesn't have a lot

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of qualms about going outside. He doesn't think this thing

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will be back. But he also has a different job

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now where he has hours that are earlier, so it's

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not a problem taking the dogs out because you know,

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we can just take him out when he gets home

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from work.

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Speaker 2: Well, he didn't have any problems going out after the fact,

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But your poor dog had to be so difficult for.

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Speaker 1: She does quite often wiggle out of her harness, wiggle

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out of her collar if she hears the noise and

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she's not expecting it. She just her reaction is just

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a bolt to the door, and she will try to

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jump on the door to try to get in into

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the apartment. So she knows where she belongs, so that's

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a good thing. She's not going to run into the street.

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She will just run straight back to the apartment. But yeah,

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anytime there's some noise she's not expecting, or if she's

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not paying attention and a person walks up, now she

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just runs. And she used to be the most social

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dog where you could just walk up to her and

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she would walk up to you and waggertail. And she

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doesn't do that anymore. She's just more fearful, poor thing.

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Speaker 2: I can understand why she is, but I sure hope

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she moves past this and then time she's able to

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go back to being her happy, go lucky self and

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she can just live unencumbered. But of course time will

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tell if that's ever going to happen or not. But

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I can keep my fingers crossed on that, thank you.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I also hope that eventually she snaps out

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of this, but I don't know. She might be a

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little scarred, and I don't blame her, because I'm probably

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a little scarred. By this experience myself.

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Speaker 2: So oh, that's only natural. I didn't cheer this with you, mindy.

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But one of the things that struck me when we

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had that first conversation, no, I'm sorry the second conversation

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was I got the impression that you felt like there

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is something strange about how you How should I put this, Gosh,

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so it's not confusing, I guess the most concise way

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I can put it is when we had our second conversation,

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it struck me that it seemed like to me like

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you thought that how you responded to all this was strange,

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that this or that was kind of strange, how you

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were affected by having all these experiences. But I just

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want to make sure you understand now that nothing you've

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told me about how you've responded to this is unusual.

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I mean, it's textbook. I've spoken with thousands upon thousands

478
00:27:40,920 --> 00:27:43,680
of dog me and eye witnesses, and I mean you

479
00:27:43,839 --> 00:27:46,720
just come to expect certain things and everything that you've

480
00:27:46,759 --> 00:27:49,680
told me about how you responded, how this affected you.

481
00:27:49,839 --> 00:27:53,799
I did this, I did that, everything. It just it's

482
00:27:54,039 --> 00:27:56,880
just exactly what I would expect to hear. So I

483
00:27:56,960 --> 00:27:59,039
just want to make sure that I squash any idea

484
00:27:59,079 --> 00:28:01,359
that you have that any thing to do with your

485
00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:04,440
response to anything to do with your encounters is unusual,

486
00:28:04,599 --> 00:28:07,000
because none of this has been unusual.

487
00:28:08,079 --> 00:28:10,640
Speaker 1: Well, the thing that I probably did that was wrong

488
00:28:11,599 --> 00:28:14,119
that I see in hindsight is I should not have

489
00:28:14,160 --> 00:28:18,079
stared at it in its eyes, but I did. But

490
00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:22,680
I was trying to intimidate it back, I guess, so

491
00:28:22,759 --> 00:28:26,839
that it wouldn't attack us, or maybe it wouldn't attack us,

492
00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:29,680
or maybe it would be like, oh, this one's not scared,

493
00:28:29,880 --> 00:28:35,240
so and walk away. But you know, when dealing with

494
00:28:35,279 --> 00:28:38,559
any wild animal, you definitely should not look at it

495
00:28:38,599 --> 00:28:40,480
directly in its eyes because that could be seen as

496
00:28:40,519 --> 00:28:43,799
a challenge. But that's not what I was trying to do.

497
00:28:44,079 --> 00:28:47,079
But in hindsight, I see that was an error on

498
00:28:47,119 --> 00:28:47,599
my part.

499
00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:51,680
Speaker 2: Well, like I told, yeah, you're put in a very

500
00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:55,480
difficult situation. You dealt with that situation, or both of

501
00:28:55,519 --> 00:28:58,400
those situations the best you knew. How I think you

502
00:28:58,480 --> 00:29:01,480
deserve a lot of credit for how you held it together. Now,

503
00:29:01,519 --> 00:29:03,640
on your end, I'm sure you probably don't see it

504
00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:06,680
as you holding it together, but you really did. I mean,

505
00:29:06,880 --> 00:29:10,359
most people would have totally fallen apart especially when the

506
00:29:10,440 --> 00:29:14,279
doorknob jiggled, but you held it together and you really

507
00:29:14,319 --> 00:29:15,480
should be commended for that.

508
00:29:17,359 --> 00:29:19,359
Speaker 1: Thank you. I just didn't know what to do. I mean,

509
00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:21,880
I couldn't call the police and say, hey, there's a

510
00:29:21,880 --> 00:29:25,200
werewolf outside, you know, because then they would haul me

511
00:29:25,279 --> 00:29:29,240
off to the psychiatric unit, you know. So there was

512
00:29:29,319 --> 00:29:33,039
nothing I really could do other than, you know, tell

513
00:29:33,160 --> 00:29:38,359
people who I knew would believe me what happened. Has

514
00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:41,319
it affected me, yes, I'm afraid to go outside at night,

515
00:29:41,559 --> 00:29:46,160
I have bad dreams. I have been really anxious leading

516
00:29:46,279 --> 00:29:50,319
up to this one year anniversary of seeing this thing,

517
00:29:51,039 --> 00:29:54,680
and I told you this as well. I recently found

518
00:29:54,759 --> 00:29:57,440
the date because I wasn't exactly sure when it was.

519
00:29:57,519 --> 00:29:59,599
I had to go back through my messages to my

520
00:29:59,599 --> 00:30:02,960
boyfriend and to find the date. And I found the

521
00:30:03,039 --> 00:30:05,920
date and then just had a curiosity because in my

522
00:30:06,039 --> 00:30:07,960
mind I had no idea what a dog man was.

523
00:30:08,200 --> 00:30:10,359
What I had seen in my mind was a were wolf.

524
00:30:11,119 --> 00:30:14,960
So I put in the date June twenty second, twenty

525
00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:17,759
twenty four, and the moon phase and it was a

526
00:30:17,759 --> 00:30:20,240
full moon. And then that scared me even more because

527
00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:23,200
I was like, oh my gosh, it is a were wolf,

528
00:30:23,720 --> 00:30:25,480
and then later on I learned it was a dog

529
00:30:25,599 --> 00:30:28,240
man and that they're seen all the time, But at

530
00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:32,200
that moment, it was really frightening, like, oh, the legends

531
00:30:32,200 --> 00:30:33,000
are real, you know?

532
00:30:35,319 --> 00:30:38,000
Speaker 2: Is it better knowing that it was most likely a

533
00:30:38,039 --> 00:30:41,200
dog man and not a were wolf. I've been public

534
00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:43,880
about my opinion that I don't believe were wolves are

535
00:30:43,880 --> 00:30:46,440
a reality. I don't think it's possible for a person

536
00:30:46,480 --> 00:30:50,000
to somehow magically transform from the form of a human

537
00:30:50,079 --> 00:30:52,559
to that of a beast like a werewolf. I just

538
00:30:52,599 --> 00:30:55,279
don't believe it. But I'll still be the first person

539
00:30:55,319 --> 00:30:57,920
to tell you I don't know everything. I'm not going

540
00:30:57,960 --> 00:31:02,480
to say it's impossible. Anything's impossible in this crazy world.

541
00:31:02,559 --> 00:31:05,880
But if there were were wolves with the ability to change,

542
00:31:06,039 --> 00:31:09,039
to transform from a person to that of a beast

543
00:31:09,240 --> 00:31:13,079
like that, then of course dog men. Are you glad

544
00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:15,880
that it wasn't a were wolfer? Would have been better

545
00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:17,880
if it would have been a were wolf in your opinion?

546
00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:22,559
Speaker 1: Well, in my opinion, the name were wolf is just semantics.

547
00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:25,839
So the best way I can describe it is if

548
00:31:25,880 --> 00:31:28,799
you're showing a child a picture book and you say

549
00:31:29,039 --> 00:31:31,200
this is a horse and there's a picture of a horse.

550
00:31:31,559 --> 00:31:33,519
This is a cow. There's a picture of a cow.

551
00:31:33,559 --> 00:31:35,440
This is a dog. There's a picture of a dog.

552
00:31:36,680 --> 00:31:39,559
My brain immediately went, this is a were wolf. Do

553
00:31:39,680 --> 00:31:43,799
I think people transform into wolves? Absolutely not. But I

554
00:31:43,839 --> 00:31:46,960
do think this creature is real because I've seen it

555
00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:52,119
with my own eyes, and I just I wouldn't I

556
00:31:52,160 --> 00:31:54,640
wouldn't have thought of the name dog man by myself

557
00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:57,440
because it doesn't look like a dog. It looks more

558
00:31:57,519 --> 00:32:02,160
like a wolf in the face, soh to me, that's

559
00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:07,119
just sem antics on were wolf versus dog man. I

560
00:32:07,279 --> 00:32:12,160
do personally prefer the term werewolf, not for the transformative aspect,

561
00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:15,200
because I don't believe in that, but just because that's

562
00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:17,960
what it stereotypically looks like to me.

563
00:32:20,319 --> 00:32:22,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, all we can do is just guess when it

564
00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:24,839
comes to a lot of these things about what it

565
00:32:24,920 --> 00:32:27,240
was that you saw that night. I mean, it's entirely

566
00:32:27,319 --> 00:32:31,079
possible it was a were wolf. But like students are

567
00:32:31,119 --> 00:32:34,279
told when they're pre med learning to become doctors, if

568
00:32:34,319 --> 00:32:36,759
you hear a clicking of hoofs on the floor behind you,

569
00:32:36,839 --> 00:32:40,599
on the tile behind you, think horse, not zebra. And

570
00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:44,039
there's a lot of wisdom to that, saying, because is

571
00:32:44,079 --> 00:32:46,519
it possible that it's a zebra behind you? Yeah, it

572
00:32:46,559 --> 00:32:50,359
is possible, But the most likely explanation is it's a horse.

573
00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:53,799
So that's why they're taught that, and that's why I'm

574
00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:56,319
saying that most likely it was a dog man and

575
00:32:56,359 --> 00:33:00,599
not a werewolf. But again, in this crazy world, what

576
00:33:00,839 --> 00:33:05,640
is impossible? I can't tell you what is. I definitely right.

577
00:33:05,519 --> 00:33:08,880
Speaker 1: I mean, now that I've learned a little more about

578
00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:11,799
what dog men are, I mean, it definitely fits the

579
00:33:11,799 --> 00:33:14,759
description of a dog man. But just in that moment

580
00:33:14,880 --> 00:33:19,319
when I didn't know how else to phrase it, that's

581
00:33:19,359 --> 00:33:21,200
what it looked like. It looked like a werewolf and

582
00:33:21,240 --> 00:33:23,440
I had no other term. I didn't know the term

583
00:33:23,519 --> 00:33:27,440
dog man at that point. But it definitely was a

584
00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:27,960
dog man.

585
00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:34,119
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'd say it was now as crazy as it

586
00:33:34,200 --> 00:33:37,039
might see Mandy. Some my witnesses who have had some

587
00:33:37,160 --> 00:33:41,039
over the top traumatic encounters with dog men, they've told

588
00:33:41,119 --> 00:33:43,960
me they'd give almost anything to have another encounter now

589
00:33:44,039 --> 00:33:48,319
under controlled circumstances, of course, but they feel like that

590
00:33:48,359 --> 00:33:51,039
would help them if they could have another encounter and

591
00:33:51,119 --> 00:33:55,599
see another dog man some day in situations where they're

592
00:33:55,680 --> 00:34:00,279
not at risk for being harmed. But as as far

593
00:34:00,319 --> 00:34:03,759
as where you're coming from, would you fit into that

594
00:34:03,880 --> 00:34:06,640
category where you would like to have another encounter if

595
00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:09,360
the dog man was at a distance and you're not

596
00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:12,440
at home, or would you just never want to ever

597
00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:14,039
have an experience like that again.

598
00:34:15,079 --> 00:34:17,400
Speaker 1: I don't ever want to see that again in my life.

599
00:34:17,760 --> 00:34:23,960
It was terrifying. I don't understand why. People, it's just

600
00:34:24,119 --> 00:34:27,000
my opinion, no offense to anyone who may be listening

601
00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:29,840
who wants to see them again. I never want to

602
00:34:29,880 --> 00:34:32,960
see that again in my life. And again, the one

603
00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:35,239
that I saw, it wasn't snarling at me, it wasn't

604
00:34:35,239 --> 00:34:38,800
growling at me. It was massive, and it easily could

605
00:34:38,920 --> 00:34:42,360
have ripped me to shreds with one swipe of its claws.

606
00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:45,280
And I just never want to be around that again.

607
00:34:45,519 --> 00:34:46,960
I never want to see that again.

608
00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:52,519
Speaker 2: Well, that's understandable. Something I never did ask you about

609
00:34:52,559 --> 00:34:57,239
that I'm wondering is, obviously you're strongly affected by those

610
00:34:57,320 --> 00:35:01,039
experiences at night just about a year ago. How much

611
00:35:01,320 --> 00:35:04,280
was your personal life affected by all this? Did you

612
00:35:04,280 --> 00:35:07,920
have trouble at work? Was there other fallout as a

613
00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:09,559
result of those experiences?

614
00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:14,719
Speaker 1: I kept it pretty well compartmentalized, so it didn't affect

615
00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:19,039
my work or anything like that. The worst issues were

616
00:35:19,079 --> 00:35:22,320
just sleep disturbances, but I have those anyway because I

617
00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:26,239
have a complex post traumatic stress disorder with anxiety anyway,

618
00:35:27,039 --> 00:35:31,559
So it didn't really affect my work at all. It

619
00:35:31,599 --> 00:35:34,599
didn't affect my home life at all other than me

620
00:35:34,719 --> 00:35:39,719
being afraid. But my boyfriend's been really great about calming

621
00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:43,000
me down and telling me I'm safe and making sure

622
00:35:43,039 --> 00:35:44,880
that I feel safe when I'm at home.

623
00:35:47,079 --> 00:35:49,480
Speaker 2: Well, he sounds like a good man. I'm so glad

624
00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:49,719
you have.

625
00:35:50,920 --> 00:35:52,320
Speaker 1: Thank you. He's a really great guy.

626
00:35:53,599 --> 00:35:57,239
Speaker 2: Me sure sounds like it. Now. Just for clarity, when

627
00:35:57,239 --> 00:36:00,280
you say that you've been suffering from sleep disturbances, does

628
00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:03,679
that mean nightmares or nightmares and something else.

629
00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:09,519
Speaker 1: Well, I get nightcarrors occasionally anyway, because of my PTSD

630
00:36:09,679 --> 00:36:13,760
and what I've seen and what I've been through. But

631
00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:17,559
right after this, I was having trouble falling asleep. I

632
00:36:17,639 --> 00:36:20,800
was constantly worried about what was outside. So for a

633
00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:25,000
few weeks after this incident, I just had difficulty falling asleep.

634
00:36:25,079 --> 00:36:29,559
I felt safer sleeping in the daytime versus at night,

635
00:36:29,960 --> 00:36:32,440
so sometimes I might stay up all night and then

636
00:36:32,480 --> 00:36:34,760
go to work and then take a nap, and then

637
00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:36,519
be up all night and then go to work and

638
00:36:36,559 --> 00:36:37,239
then take a nap.

639
00:36:39,719 --> 00:36:42,159
Speaker 2: Ye After having experiences like the ones that you had

640
00:36:42,199 --> 00:36:45,239
and other eyewitnesses have had, it's just not fear that

641
00:36:45,639 --> 00:36:47,239
you have to go to work the next day. In

642
00:36:47,280 --> 00:36:50,199
a lot of cases and deal with so many things

643
00:36:50,199 --> 00:36:52,119
that it would be so nice if you didn't have

644
00:36:52,159 --> 00:36:55,079
to deal with those for quite some time. But yeah,

645
00:36:55,440 --> 00:36:59,119
life does go on. It's not easy, it really isn't

646
00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:03,559
We have those night tears? Mindy, Are they repeating night

647
00:37:03,599 --> 00:37:06,800
tears the same thing night after night or do they differ?

648
00:37:08,239 --> 00:37:11,639
Speaker 1: They vary A lot of the times. I can't remember

649
00:37:11,719 --> 00:37:14,280
the actual terror, but my boyfriend might wake me up

650
00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:17,159
and say, hey, you were mumbling in your sleep, or

651
00:37:17,199 --> 00:37:20,559
you are like screaming in your sleep, and he'll wake

652
00:37:20,599 --> 00:37:23,039
me up, and I wouldn't know. When I wake up,

653
00:37:23,119 --> 00:37:28,760
I don't remember the ones that I do recall. I'll

654
00:37:28,760 --> 00:37:30,960
just reach for him and as long as he like

655
00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:33,679
takes my hand or something, I can calm back down

656
00:37:33,719 --> 00:37:36,320
and go back to sleep. But when the morning comes,

657
00:37:36,639 --> 00:37:41,920
I don't recall those dreams, but I recall the feelings

658
00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:45,880
I felt that the fear and the anxiety from them.

659
00:37:47,559 --> 00:37:49,639
Speaker 2: Wow, it was just horrible. You have to deal with that.

660
00:37:50,159 --> 00:37:52,079
How long has it been since you had a night tear?

661
00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:56,960
Speaker 1: The most recent one was about a month ago. My

662
00:37:57,039 --> 00:37:59,199
boyfriend woke me up and said that I was screaming

663
00:37:59,199 --> 00:38:01,679
in my sleep when he woke me up.

664
00:38:03,480 --> 00:38:06,920
Speaker 2: Wow, that's intense. Have you ever thought about looking up

665
00:38:07,480 --> 00:38:08,400
lucid dreaming?

666
00:38:11,480 --> 00:38:14,159
Speaker 1: You know, I have looked at that, but I'm not

667
00:38:14,199 --> 00:38:18,320
really sure if that would help me or not. I

668
00:38:18,320 --> 00:38:21,159
would have to do some more investigation into that to

669
00:38:21,199 --> 00:38:25,079
see if that would be something that would work for me. Well,

670
00:38:25,159 --> 00:38:27,280
something I definitely don't want to make anything worse. Sorry

671
00:38:27,320 --> 00:38:28,920
not to put you off, I just just don't want

672
00:38:28,920 --> 00:38:31,960
to make anything worse by delving into that. Either.

673
00:38:33,159 --> 00:38:36,639
Speaker 2: Well, highly doubt it would make anything worse. Understand that

674
00:38:37,239 --> 00:38:40,320
a lot of eyewitnesses I've recommended that they try to

675
00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:44,199
learn how to lucid dream That's paid huge dividends if

676
00:38:44,199 --> 00:38:47,159
they've had a lot of trouble with nightmares or night tears.

677
00:38:47,599 --> 00:38:50,280
So I'd recommend that you do look into it. And

678
00:38:51,559 --> 00:38:54,400
it's a pretty common thing when I recommend that to

679
00:38:54,440 --> 00:38:56,159
an eyewitness that they tell me why I don't know

680
00:38:56,159 --> 00:38:59,880
where to start. Where can I learn how to lucid dream? Well, understand,

681
00:39:00,039 --> 00:39:02,400
there are a bunch of groups on Facebook, for example,

682
00:39:02,719 --> 00:39:05,400
that focus on the topic, where it'd be a piece

683
00:39:05,400 --> 00:39:07,480
of cake to find someone in those groups that could

684
00:39:07,519 --> 00:39:09,760
show you the ropes or at least send you all

685
00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:13,559
the resources information resources that is that you would need

686
00:39:13,599 --> 00:39:16,239
to learn how to do it. But if you do

687
00:39:16,440 --> 00:39:19,440
learn how to lucid dream, like I said, it does

688
00:39:19,559 --> 00:39:25,159
normally pay huge dividends. So just something to think about now.

689
00:39:25,480 --> 00:39:29,079
Because of this ongoing trouble that you've had with night

690
00:39:29,119 --> 00:39:33,639
tears and sleep interruptions, have you ever considered professional help.

691
00:39:35,320 --> 00:39:41,480
Speaker 1: I have, in the past received therapy. I've graduated from

692
00:39:41,559 --> 00:39:44,599
therapy for my post traumatic stress disorder, so I'm not

693
00:39:44,719 --> 00:39:49,000
on medications or anything like that. I pretty well manage

694
00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:52,320
it on my own. But with anything else, so you

695
00:39:52,360 --> 00:39:54,880
have a chronic issue, you know, sometimes you get flare ups,

696
00:39:54,920 --> 00:39:57,880
sometimes things happen, and that's what these nightcers are. They're

697
00:39:57,960 --> 00:40:01,880
just flare ups of my condition and just these memories

698
00:40:01,920 --> 00:40:04,519
and feelings coming back that my brain doesn't know what

699
00:40:04,599 --> 00:40:08,119
to do with, and so they manifest in these really

700
00:40:08,159 --> 00:40:11,599
scary dreams that I have. The good thing is I

701
00:40:11,639 --> 00:40:13,440
don't remember them most of the time.

702
00:40:15,079 --> 00:40:17,599
Speaker 2: Well I'm glad you don't remember them. But even if

703
00:40:17,639 --> 00:40:20,519
you don't remember those night tears, and a lot of cases,

704
00:40:20,559 --> 00:40:23,760
the effects from those night tears still do linger and

705
00:40:23,800 --> 00:40:27,320
affect your waking hours. So it's still horribly you have

706
00:40:27,480 --> 00:40:31,199
to deal with all that. It really is, thank you.

707
00:40:31,320 --> 00:40:33,360
Speaker 1: I mean, I've been dealing with it for a while,

708
00:40:33,400 --> 00:40:37,480
since way before the dog man encounter, So it's just

709
00:40:37,559 --> 00:40:40,760
something that I have adapted to and learned to live with.

710
00:40:41,039 --> 00:40:42,639
And yeah, it can be hard when you have a

711
00:40:42,679 --> 00:40:47,039
sleepless night, but you can get through it. There's been

712
00:40:47,039 --> 00:40:48,599
a lot of things in my life that I've had

713
00:40:48,639 --> 00:40:51,000
to push through and you can get through it.

714
00:40:51,920 --> 00:40:53,559
Speaker 2: Well. I just wish you didn't have to deal with

715
00:40:53,599 --> 00:40:57,239
that period. It's not like life is not hard enough.

716
00:40:57,880 --> 00:40:59,719
Just hate that fact you do have to deal with

717
00:40:59,760 --> 00:41:04,159
that at all. Is there anything about your encounters that

718
00:41:04,320 --> 00:41:06,679
if you could go back and have them again you

719
00:41:06,719 --> 00:41:09,559
wish you could do differently outside of the fact that

720
00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:12,360
now you know better than to make eye contact with

721
00:41:12,440 --> 00:41:14,719
this dog man, But is there anything else?

722
00:41:16,159 --> 00:41:18,840
Speaker 1: I think, honestly, that's the only thing that I would

723
00:41:18,840 --> 00:41:21,519
do different differently is just not stare at it directly

724
00:41:21,559 --> 00:41:25,000
in the eyes, because again, I don't want to seem

725
00:41:25,039 --> 00:41:29,320
like I'm challenging this wild animal to you know, approach me.

726
00:41:29,519 --> 00:41:30,960
I don't want to do that. I wanted it to

727
00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:34,960
go away. I wanted, you know, to try anything to

728
00:41:35,039 --> 00:41:36,880
get us to live. I thought that we were going

729
00:41:36,880 --> 00:41:39,800
to die. I immediately thought, it's just these across the

730
00:41:39,840 --> 00:41:44,360
street and we're dead. So I just wanted it to

731
00:41:44,400 --> 00:41:47,599
go away. And that's the only thing that I would

732
00:41:47,679 --> 00:41:51,280
change is just not having any eye contact with it.

733
00:41:53,440 --> 00:41:55,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, if you only have one thing you wish

734
00:41:55,400 --> 00:41:57,639
you could go back and change, that's a really good thing.

735
00:41:58,079 --> 00:42:00,519
That's a lot better than a lot of eyewitnesses and say,

736
00:42:01,159 --> 00:42:03,039
so that's good. That really well.

737
00:42:03,039 --> 00:42:06,639
Speaker 1: It definitely opened my eyes because, like I said, I

738
00:42:06,800 --> 00:42:09,159
was a non believer in any of the cryptids. I

739
00:42:09,199 --> 00:42:12,239
didn't believe in you know, the snaly Gaster or the

740
00:42:12,280 --> 00:42:15,880
Bigfoot or anything like that. I didn't believe in any

741
00:42:15,960 --> 00:42:19,480
of them. And now with this dog man that was

742
00:42:19,559 --> 00:42:23,079
directly in front of my face, I cannot deny that

743
00:42:23,159 --> 00:42:27,599
dog meen't exist. So what else might actually exist that

744
00:42:27,679 --> 00:42:29,119
I just haven't seen before.

745
00:42:30,760 --> 00:42:34,039
Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe it's better that you don't know, because if

746
00:42:34,079 --> 00:42:36,679
we knew about everything that was out there. Yeah, if

747
00:42:36,719 --> 00:42:38,559
we knew about everything that was out there, we might

748
00:42:38,599 --> 00:42:41,360
not ever step foot outside of our doors ever. Again.

749
00:42:41,920 --> 00:42:42,480
You never know.

750
00:42:44,199 --> 00:42:45,159
Speaker 1: That's very true.

751
00:42:45,760 --> 00:42:46,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely.

752
00:42:46,360 --> 00:42:50,480
Speaker 1: And like you said, it didn't hurt me. It didn't

753
00:42:50,599 --> 00:42:53,599
I said earlier, didn't growl at me, It didn't make

754
00:42:53,639 --> 00:42:56,480
any noise towards me, sniffed the air, turned to look

755
00:42:56,519 --> 00:42:59,000
at me and stared at me, and then it crouched

756
00:42:59,000 --> 00:43:04,400
down into the grass. So it didn't make any aggressive

757
00:43:05,000 --> 00:43:08,920
motions to me outwardly, And.

758
00:43:08,920 --> 00:43:11,840
Speaker 2: Thank goodness for that. You don't need to have to

759
00:43:12,280 --> 00:43:14,599
deal with that, making it even more difficult to come

760
00:43:14,639 --> 00:43:18,639
to terms with. Before I move, I'm sorry to interrupt

761
00:43:18,679 --> 00:43:24,639
you there. Oh sorry, Oh no, you're fine, You are fine.

762
00:43:25,119 --> 00:43:28,480
Before I move on with my questions for you, I

763
00:43:28,559 --> 00:43:30,599
just want to let everybody in the live chat know

764
00:43:30,719 --> 00:43:32,639
that if you have any questions that you want me

765
00:43:32,679 --> 00:43:35,880
to ask Mindy here tonight, please post your questions and

766
00:43:35,960 --> 00:43:40,679
all caps that way I won't miss them. And after

767
00:43:40,719 --> 00:43:43,960
making that announcement, why there are going to be several

768
00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:47,639
people leaving questions without capitalizing them that I'm going to miss,

769
00:43:48,119 --> 00:43:51,000
but as always, I just do the best I cannot

770
00:43:51,000 --> 00:43:57,039
to miss them.

771
00:43:57,199 --> 00:43:59,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll be happy to answer any questions that anybody

772
00:44:00,159 --> 00:44:02,199
you know may have to the best of my ability.

773
00:44:04,679 --> 00:44:07,360
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think when it comes to eyewitnesses come to

774
00:44:07,440 --> 00:44:10,920
terms with their experience, coming to terms with their experiences

775
00:44:11,800 --> 00:44:15,280
seeing this interaction with other people, people in the live chat,

776
00:44:15,320 --> 00:44:18,719
for example, reading the comments that are left in response

777
00:44:18,800 --> 00:44:21,840
to their shows on YouTube. That is just such a

778
00:44:21,920 --> 00:44:25,159
huge help when you're doing all these things to interact

779
00:44:25,199 --> 00:44:27,519
with a guest, with an eyewitness, when it wils down

780
00:44:27,519 --> 00:44:29,639
to it, there's so much more than a guest. If

781
00:44:29,639 --> 00:44:33,280
they come on the show. Most people will never understand

782
00:44:33,360 --> 00:44:36,320
the impact they have on that eyewitness how much they

783
00:44:36,320 --> 00:44:40,000
actually help that eyewitness. But I mean, it helps more

784
00:44:40,039 --> 00:44:42,199
than you're ever going to know, and I can't thank

785
00:44:42,239 --> 00:44:45,920
you enough for that. Wow, the question is already coming in.

786
00:44:46,519 --> 00:44:48,800
I guess I might as well dive into some of them.

787
00:44:49,119 --> 00:44:52,280
The first one is from Glenn Kamada, and Glenn wants

788
00:44:52,320 --> 00:44:55,719
to know did the dog men smile at you?

789
00:44:55,719 --> 00:44:58,800
Speaker 1: No, it didn't. It just turned its head and looked

790
00:44:58,840 --> 00:45:00,599
at me. It looked down at my dog and then

791
00:45:00,639 --> 00:45:03,559
back up at me, and it didn't have like a

792
00:45:03,599 --> 00:45:09,039
readable expression on its face. It was just like a

793
00:45:09,079 --> 00:45:12,239
wolf looking at you with its mouth closed. It never

794
00:45:12,280 --> 00:45:12,960
saw its teeth.

795
00:45:15,760 --> 00:45:18,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, thank goodness it didn't smile at you, because I

796
00:45:18,920 --> 00:45:21,639
guess just outside of having a dog man go from

797
00:45:21,719 --> 00:45:25,159
all fourst to standing up on two legs, having a

798
00:45:25,159 --> 00:45:27,719
dog man smile at an eyewitness, that's one of the

799
00:45:27,719 --> 00:45:30,840
most intense things that affects eye witnesses the most in

800
00:45:30,880 --> 00:45:34,639
most cases as far as things generally happen when people

801
00:45:34,679 --> 00:45:39,039
have encounters with dog men. So yeah, thank goodness for that.

802
00:45:39,039 --> 00:45:42,599
Speaker 1: That might have sent me over the edge. I was

803
00:45:42,639 --> 00:45:45,039
already terrified. That might have sent me over the edge.

804
00:45:45,159 --> 00:45:47,519
That might have killed me on the spot if it

805
00:45:48,159 --> 00:45:49,760
growled at me or shown its teeth.

806
00:45:50,199 --> 00:45:53,199
Speaker 2: So yeah, well, it sends a lot of eyewitnesses over

807
00:45:53,239 --> 00:45:57,920
the edge. So I've got another question from Ian Ian

808
00:45:58,000 --> 00:46:00,840
wants to know you mentioned never wanting to see one again.

809
00:46:01,079 --> 00:46:04,440
What about an authentic, high quality video of one? What

810
00:46:04,519 --> 00:46:08,679
if one was taxidermied? Thank you for sharing, Thank you.

811
00:46:08,679 --> 00:46:11,800
Speaker 1: Ian, Yes, that would be fine with me if I

812
00:46:11,840 --> 00:46:14,679
saw one that was taxidermaid, or if I saw one

813
00:46:15,159 --> 00:46:18,559
that somebody had a video clip of that wouldn't affect

814
00:46:18,599 --> 00:46:21,519
me so much. I just personally don't want to be

815
00:46:22,079 --> 00:46:24,119
face to face with one. I don't care if it's

816
00:46:24,119 --> 00:46:26,920
one hundred yards away from me. I don't want to

817
00:46:26,960 --> 00:46:29,400
see that with my own two eyes. Again, like face

818
00:46:29,440 --> 00:46:29,840
to face.

819
00:46:32,039 --> 00:46:36,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's totally understandable too. I don't blame you. It

820
00:46:36,440 --> 00:46:40,480
looks like Andre's Carizalez wants to know when the floodlights

821
00:46:40,519 --> 00:46:43,000
come on at night, how much of the areas lit up?

822
00:46:43,920 --> 00:46:48,079
Speaker 1: Hi andres. So these are super bright floodlights. Think about

823
00:46:48,079 --> 00:46:52,559
those flashlights that are led. These are LED floodlamps, and

824
00:46:52,639 --> 00:46:56,440
so they illuminate the whole front of the you know,

825
00:46:56,519 --> 00:46:59,280
the area where my dog uses the bathroom, and they

826
00:46:59,400 --> 00:47:01,360
also have a flood light, and I forgot to mention

827
00:47:01,440 --> 00:47:04,239
that earlier, so thank you for asking. They also did

828
00:47:04,280 --> 00:47:08,079
install a floodlight facing the dumpster. So not only is

829
00:47:08,119 --> 00:47:11,199
the area you know where the dog uses a bathroom

830
00:47:11,239 --> 00:47:14,159
lit up, but also the dumpster is lit up at

831
00:47:14,239 --> 00:47:19,480
night as well, so it's really bright at night. They

832
00:47:19,559 --> 00:47:21,320
come on at about eight pm.

833
00:47:22,960 --> 00:47:25,119
Speaker 2: Thank goodness they did that. That's got to be a

834
00:47:25,199 --> 00:47:30,400
huge help for you. Having the whole area lit so well, Yes.

835
00:47:30,639 --> 00:47:32,400
Speaker 1: If they stay away from the light, which I'm not

836
00:47:32,440 --> 00:47:34,599
sure that is the deterrent for them.

837
00:47:35,440 --> 00:47:38,400
Speaker 2: If it is, they don't always. Yeah, I've heard it

838
00:47:38,400 --> 00:47:40,159
put out there quite a few times that if you

839
00:47:40,199 --> 00:47:42,360
never want to have a dog man come around your property,

840
00:47:42,440 --> 00:47:45,559
then put up bright lights and put up cameras well.

841
00:47:46,119 --> 00:47:48,960
Sometimes that works, but there are plenty of cases where

842
00:47:48,960 --> 00:47:53,119
dogmen have been reported seeing standing directly underneath flood lights

843
00:47:53,199 --> 00:47:57,039
bright floodlights too, So that just hammers home the fact

844
00:47:57,039 --> 00:47:59,440
that these guys go where they want to go and

845
00:47:59,719 --> 00:48:00,880
they what they want to do.

846
00:48:00,960 --> 00:48:05,599
Speaker 1: Unfortunately, I think's grateful that the Sorry, I didn't mean

847
00:48:05,599 --> 00:48:07,840
to cut you off there. I'm grateful that the apartment

848
00:48:08,039 --> 00:48:12,440
has paid the yard people to mow a few feet

849
00:48:12,480 --> 00:48:15,079
into the field. That has been most helpful for my

850
00:48:15,199 --> 00:48:19,039
anxiety because I can see that it's not overgrown and

851
00:48:19,079 --> 00:48:21,360
I can see what's in the grass.

852
00:48:22,199 --> 00:48:24,840
Speaker 2: I'm sure that is helpful. Yeah, the more you can

853
00:48:24,840 --> 00:48:27,719
see at night, that's got to be comforting. I'm just

854
00:48:27,760 --> 00:48:29,719
going to go ahead and ask my question now before

855
00:48:29,760 --> 00:48:31,800
i move on to the next question that the person

856
00:48:31,840 --> 00:48:34,440
in the listener in the live chat wanted me to ask.

857
00:48:34,519 --> 00:48:38,159
You have you ever thought over this year time since

858
00:48:38,199 --> 00:48:41,679
those experiences happened. Have you ever thought about going into

859
00:48:41,719 --> 00:48:44,480
the office and just in a roundabout way, trying to

860
00:48:44,519 --> 00:48:47,559
fish for info on why they decided to put up

861
00:48:47,559 --> 00:48:50,559
all those bright lights and make all those changes they

862
00:48:50,599 --> 00:48:53,760
mow across the road and everything else they've done.

863
00:48:54,880 --> 00:48:57,000
Speaker 1: Well, I mean, I thought about it, but I don't

864
00:48:57,000 --> 00:48:59,679
want to bring attention to it. I you know, I

865
00:48:59,719 --> 00:49:02,840
don't want I'm still afraid that people might think I'm

866
00:49:02,840 --> 00:49:06,920
crazy for sharing my story, so I don't want to

867
00:49:07,000 --> 00:49:12,079
draw any more attention to myself. Whoever saw this encounter,

868
00:49:12,440 --> 00:49:13,920
It could have been someone on the third floor. I

869
00:49:13,920 --> 00:49:15,960
live on the first floor. It could have been someone

870
00:49:16,000 --> 00:49:19,159
on the third floor looking out and seeing this happen,

871
00:49:19,239 --> 00:49:22,679
seeing me back away and seeing this creature that reported

872
00:49:22,719 --> 00:49:27,440
it to the office. So no one has approached me.

873
00:49:28,039 --> 00:49:29,719
I feel like it would have been better for me

874
00:49:29,760 --> 00:49:31,800
if someone had come up to me and they're like, hey,

875
00:49:32,079 --> 00:49:35,239
I saw what you saw the other day. But I

876
00:49:35,360 --> 00:49:37,679
didn't go fishing, and I don't think it would be

877
00:49:37,719 --> 00:49:41,400
helpful for me or beneficial to go fishing with the

878
00:49:41,440 --> 00:49:45,639
apartment complex. But those changes happened two days after I

879
00:49:45,679 --> 00:49:46,880
saw what I saw.

880
00:49:47,719 --> 00:49:51,840
Speaker 2: Well, your concerns are definitely warranted and understandable. But you

881
00:49:51,880 --> 00:49:54,039
could fish for answers in a way that wouldn't put

882
00:49:54,119 --> 00:49:57,480
you out there, It wouldn't leave you vulnerable to blow

883
00:49:57,559 --> 00:50:00,480
back like that. For example, you could always just ask, well,

884
00:50:01,280 --> 00:50:03,159
why did you decide to put up all these bright

885
00:50:03,280 --> 00:50:07,039
lights and start having the contractor move across the road

886
00:50:07,199 --> 00:50:10,280
when you never used to do that? And maybe someone

887
00:50:10,320 --> 00:50:13,719
would answer. I doubt that they would, but it couldn't hurt.

888
00:50:14,679 --> 00:50:17,119
Speaker 1: Well, that's the other thing, you know. You know, they

889
00:50:17,199 --> 00:50:21,239
might not tell me the truth about why they installed

890
00:50:21,280 --> 00:50:23,239
the floodlights, and then that doesn't give me any more

891
00:50:23,280 --> 00:50:26,840
answers either, because they might equally be afraid of being

892
00:50:26,880 --> 00:50:28,239
seen as a crazy person.

893
00:50:29,000 --> 00:50:33,039
Speaker 2: You know, well, sure, and you know that's a given there.

894
00:50:33,119 --> 00:50:36,719
But sometimes what people don't say says more than what

895
00:50:36,760 --> 00:50:39,000
they do. For example, if you went in and ask,

896
00:50:39,119 --> 00:50:41,079
and again, there's no pressure for you to do this,

897
00:50:41,760 --> 00:50:44,480
you're the one who has to ultimately make that decision.

898
00:50:45,039 --> 00:50:47,719
But if you really did want to know, if you

899
00:50:47,760 --> 00:50:50,280
went in and you pop that question, why did you

900
00:50:50,320 --> 00:50:52,719
make these changes with all the lights and all these

901
00:50:52,760 --> 00:50:55,880
other things, If they start giving you the stink eye

902
00:50:56,119 --> 00:51:00,639
in a certain way. Then, I mean that's pretty much

903
00:51:00,639 --> 00:51:05,239
your answer. Yeah, exactly, exactly. All right, enough for my

904
00:51:05,400 --> 00:51:09,239
questions for now. The next question on deck is from

905
00:51:09,400 --> 00:51:12,920
Rose Smith. Hey, Rose, Rose wants to know do you

906
00:51:13,000 --> 00:51:16,440
know if anyone knows if dog man is male or

907
00:51:16,440 --> 00:51:20,079
female or maybe something else. I guess that's a general question,

908
00:51:20,719 --> 00:51:25,519
or Rose. People have eyewitnesses have reported seeing dog men

909
00:51:25,559 --> 00:51:29,079
that are clearly male, and most that are seen seem

910
00:51:29,159 --> 00:51:32,840
to be males. But yeah, females have definitely been seen

911
00:51:32,880 --> 00:51:36,400
as well where there's no doubt that they were female.

912
00:51:37,000 --> 00:51:40,559
So it happens, but not nearly as often as males

913
00:51:41,079 --> 00:51:44,039
being seen. I hope that answers your question there.

914
00:51:44,360 --> 00:51:47,960
Speaker 1: And Rose, I couldn't see I couldn't see the lower

915
00:51:48,000 --> 00:51:50,880
half of this animal, so I'm not sure if the

916
00:51:50,960 --> 00:51:52,920
one was male or female that I saw.

917
00:51:54,039 --> 00:51:57,840
Speaker 2: Well, you were locked onto its eyes too, which totally

918
00:51:57,920 --> 00:52:01,079
understandable in a situation like that. You weren't expecting to

919
00:52:01,119 --> 00:52:05,639
see him or it. So that's just kind of wired

920
00:52:05,679 --> 00:52:08,280
into our programming that you're gonna lock on its eyes

921
00:52:08,440 --> 00:52:10,760
and you're just gonna try and do the best you

922
00:52:10,800 --> 00:52:13,559
can to hold it together. So, like I said, you

923
00:52:13,639 --> 00:52:18,000
responded to exactly how most eyewitnesses would you really did.

924
00:52:18,599 --> 00:52:22,679
This next question is from Andrea's Sores, and Andrea wants

925
00:52:22,760 --> 00:52:26,840
to know did the dog man seem more animalistic or intelligent?

926
00:52:27,199 --> 00:52:28,920
Especially when using the doorknob?

927
00:52:31,920 --> 00:52:35,559
Speaker 1: I mean, to me, it seemed like it had definitely

928
00:52:36,199 --> 00:52:39,800
some sentience and intelligence. How smart I don't know. I

929
00:52:39,800 --> 00:52:43,039
mean smart enough to know how to turn the doorknob

930
00:52:43,079 --> 00:52:47,159
without ripping the door off the hinges. Like I said,

931
00:52:47,199 --> 00:52:50,079
I could see the wheels spinning, and it was trying

932
00:52:50,119 --> 00:52:53,639
to figure out what it wanted to do to me

933
00:52:53,800 --> 00:52:57,119
and my dog. I don't really know how else to

934
00:52:57,440 --> 00:53:00,519
describe that, but I could see it thinking definitely think

935
00:53:00,519 --> 00:53:01,760
they're highly intelligent.

936
00:53:04,000 --> 00:53:08,639
Speaker 2: Oh, they definitely are. Yeah, that's a given there. The

937
00:53:08,679 --> 00:53:12,199
next question for you is from Lori Mass and Laurie

938
00:53:12,199 --> 00:53:15,159
wants to know, looking back, did I contact make you

939
00:53:15,239 --> 00:53:18,000
more afraid or actually calm you a little.

940
00:53:19,239 --> 00:53:21,800
Speaker 1: That's a good question, Laurie. I think it did calm

941
00:53:21,840 --> 00:53:24,760
me down a little bit to stare at it, because

942
00:53:25,760 --> 00:53:27,280
you know, I could keep an eye on it. I

943
00:53:27,280 --> 00:53:30,199
could look for any sudden movements while I was, you know,

944
00:53:30,840 --> 00:53:34,760
looking at it. But I just backed slowly into the house.

945
00:53:35,960 --> 00:53:37,559
And that's the best thing that I could do. In

946
00:53:37,599 --> 00:53:41,239
that moment. I knew that if we ran, it could

947
00:53:41,280 --> 00:53:44,239
have it could have seen that as like a prey motion.

948
00:53:44,639 --> 00:53:47,239
It could have seen us as prey at that point,

949
00:53:47,440 --> 00:53:48,719
and I didn't want to do that.

950
00:53:50,639 --> 00:53:53,679
Speaker 2: I'm glad he didn't. The next one up on deck

951
00:53:53,800 --> 00:53:56,440
is from Moniqua, and she wants to know did he

952
00:53:56,559 --> 00:53:57,400
mind speak to you?

953
00:53:58,639 --> 00:54:01,400
Speaker 1: Hi, Am Moniqua. I actually have not heard of that.

954
00:54:02,079 --> 00:54:05,679
But no, I didn't hear anything. It didn't even growl

955
00:54:05,679 --> 00:54:09,519
at me. So no, it didn't mind speak to me.

956
00:54:10,960 --> 00:54:13,679
Speaker 2: Well that's a good thing. I'm glad it didn't. And

957
00:54:13,960 --> 00:54:17,679
Consel wants to know hand did he smell? Did he

958
00:54:17,719 --> 00:54:18,280
have a tail?

959
00:54:19,559 --> 00:54:22,840
Speaker 1: Hi? Anne? I don't remember any smells. I'm sure that

960
00:54:22,840 --> 00:54:26,119
would have stuck with me had I smelled it, because,

961
00:54:26,119 --> 00:54:28,400
like I said, I just thought it was a deer approaching.

962
00:54:29,039 --> 00:54:31,480
I did see a tail flicking. I didn't get a

963
00:54:31,519 --> 00:54:35,719
really good view of the tail. It was fluffy and long,

964
00:54:36,039 --> 00:54:38,360
but that's all I could really say about it. It

965
00:54:38,400 --> 00:54:40,159
did have a tail. It was fluffy and long, and

966
00:54:40,199 --> 00:54:43,119
it was flicking its tail back and forth.

967
00:54:45,320 --> 00:54:47,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, that had to be quite the sight to see

968
00:54:48,159 --> 00:54:50,880
you never expected to see that that night. That's a given.

969
00:54:51,920 --> 00:54:54,159
The next one for you is from Cookies and Cream

970
00:54:54,360 --> 00:54:56,440
and they want to know how long after you got

971
00:54:56,440 --> 00:54:58,199
home did it jiggle the doorknob?

972
00:54:59,440 --> 00:55:03,840
Speaker 1: Oh seconds, thirty seconds, forty five seconds. I got in

973
00:55:03,920 --> 00:55:06,559
the door, and I had just enough time to take

974
00:55:06,599 --> 00:55:09,440
my dog's leash off and hang it up dead bolt

975
00:55:09,480 --> 00:55:12,199
the door. I had my back against the door, and

976
00:55:12,239 --> 00:55:15,239
I probably took two or three breasts and deep breast

977
00:55:15,280 --> 00:55:17,159
and took a look at my hand that was shaking,

978
00:55:17,880 --> 00:55:20,559
and then from that moment I took two or three

979
00:55:20,599 --> 00:55:23,400
steps to the left and then the door knob jiggled,

980
00:55:24,639 --> 00:55:26,480
so probably about thirty seconds.

981
00:55:27,480 --> 00:55:29,800
Speaker 2: And when we had that first conversation, I remember you

982
00:55:29,880 --> 00:55:32,519
asking me, well, I don't think you saw me after

983
00:55:32,519 --> 00:55:34,719
I went around the corner. How could you know which

984
00:55:34,960 --> 00:55:38,000
unit was mine? And I told you, well, yeah that's

985
00:55:38,119 --> 00:55:40,239
the case. But he saw you leaning up against that

986
00:55:40,400 --> 00:55:43,840
post so or the corner there, so all he had

987
00:55:43,840 --> 00:55:45,880
to do was just sniff from there and track you

988
00:55:45,960 --> 00:55:46,920
right to your front door.

989
00:55:47,599 --> 00:55:50,159
Speaker 1: But well, and the first thing was the first thing

990
00:55:50,239 --> 00:55:53,239
I saw was a side profile because it was smelling

991
00:55:53,280 --> 00:55:57,159
the air. So in hindsight, it probably was getting my

992
00:55:57,320 --> 00:56:00,559
scent and my dog sent at that time, and then

993
00:56:00,599 --> 00:56:02,199
it just tracked us back.

994
00:56:03,599 --> 00:56:05,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, would have been easy for it to do that.

995
00:56:06,679 --> 00:56:10,280
Andres Carisales wants to know. Was there any possible law

996
00:56:10,360 --> 00:56:14,320
enforcement after your encounter in your area?

997
00:56:14,760 --> 00:56:18,000
Speaker 1: No, not that I'm aware of. I live in a city,

998
00:56:18,800 --> 00:56:24,599
but I do live close to Washington, d C. I'll

999
00:56:24,639 --> 00:56:28,199
say that's about forty minutes from me, close to Fort Meade,

1000
00:56:28,719 --> 00:56:36,559
close to the NSA, so seeing law enforcement is not uncommon.

1001
00:56:36,840 --> 00:56:40,360
But there was no additional presence that I noticed, And

1002
00:56:40,400 --> 00:56:42,719
I think that might be your question. There was nothing

1003
00:56:42,760 --> 00:56:45,760
out of the normal that I noticed.

1004
00:56:47,079 --> 00:56:48,880
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, like I told you, you're doing good to

1005
00:56:48,920 --> 00:56:51,920
know your own name. So what you did notice is

1006
00:56:52,159 --> 00:56:56,679
very impressive. I'm impressed by that. It looks like Angel

1007
00:56:56,719 --> 00:56:59,960
Wake wants to know. Did you look out for I'm sorry,

1008
00:57:00,159 --> 00:57:03,000
did you look for or find any tracks?

1009
00:57:03,639 --> 00:57:06,719
Speaker 1: I did not look for any tracks. I was terrified.

1010
00:57:07,079 --> 00:57:09,920
I really didn't want to know anything else. It was

1011
00:57:10,599 --> 00:57:13,519
hard enough for me to process what I had just seen.

1012
00:57:14,679 --> 00:57:17,360
I didn't even go to look. I probably should have looked,

1013
00:57:17,400 --> 00:57:18,599
but I didn't even go to look.

1014
00:57:20,000 --> 00:57:22,719
Speaker 2: Well, I'm glad you didn't go to Luck because, yeah,

1015
00:57:22,760 --> 00:57:24,840
I think that'd be too much weight on a young back.

1016
00:57:25,079 --> 00:57:28,159
You weren't ready to do that. I've got one more

1017
00:57:28,239 --> 00:57:30,519
question for you. Were coming up on an hour. I

1018
00:57:30,719 --> 00:57:32,800
need to get ready to get out of here. This

1019
00:57:32,960 --> 00:57:36,199
last question is from Cookies and Cream and they want

1020
00:57:36,239 --> 00:57:38,280
to know how many minutes did it take you to

1021
00:57:38,280 --> 00:57:41,519
get home? Five minutes or more? And how long did

1022
00:57:41,559 --> 00:57:43,679
you wait for the dog man to leave your door?

1023
00:57:44,880 --> 00:57:47,280
Speaker 1: Okay, well I probably should have explained that better, So

1024
00:57:47,360 --> 00:57:50,679
thank you Cookies and Cream for the question. But when

1025
00:57:50,719 --> 00:57:53,760
I take my dogs outside, I walked them out of

1026
00:57:53,760 --> 00:57:57,079
the apartment and then there's around the corner there's a courtyard,

1027
00:57:57,920 --> 00:58:01,159
and there's plenty of green space in a courtyard and

1028
00:58:01,320 --> 00:58:04,400
it's pretty big, and so they do their business and

1029
00:58:04,440 --> 00:58:06,559
we clean it up and throw it in the dumpster

1030
00:58:07,320 --> 00:58:10,320
and then walk back to my apartment. So it's really

1031
00:58:10,400 --> 00:58:13,880
right outside my door. So from the time I started

1032
00:58:13,920 --> 00:58:17,360
walking backwards, it probably took me a minute and a

1033
00:58:17,440 --> 00:58:20,599
half to get all the way back to my door.

1034
00:58:21,320 --> 00:58:25,119
If that's what you're asking, well.

1035
00:58:24,920 --> 00:58:26,400
Speaker 2: And the answer is that, and I think that's what

1036
00:58:26,440 --> 00:58:29,519
they wanted to know, So yeah, thanks for answering all

1037
00:58:29,559 --> 00:58:33,119
those questions before we get out of here, Mindy, give

1038
00:58:33,119 --> 00:58:34,960
any clothes and comments you'd like to put out there

1039
00:58:35,000 --> 00:58:35,360
for us.

1040
00:58:37,280 --> 00:58:41,320
Speaker 1: You know, I've always been told that monsters aren't real

1041
00:58:41,760 --> 00:58:48,039
and that the real monsters are humans. But these things

1042
00:58:48,039 --> 00:58:51,239
are out there, and just keep an open to mind

1043
00:58:51,320 --> 00:58:54,000
because you never know what you're going to see, and

1044
00:58:54,599 --> 00:58:56,519
you might not see a dog man, you might see

1045
00:58:56,519 --> 00:59:00,960
something else. It's just totally broken my worldview open. You know,

1046
00:59:01,159 --> 00:59:04,039
Like I told you, I don't know what else is

1047
00:59:04,079 --> 00:59:07,800
out there that I previously thought didn't exist, that might

1048
00:59:08,159 --> 00:59:12,199
really exist and be out there in the world. So

1049
00:59:12,360 --> 00:59:13,599
just keep your horizons open.

1050
00:59:14,920 --> 00:59:17,280
Speaker 2: Well, that's great advice. And hope you never do find

1051
00:59:17,280 --> 00:59:20,519
out what that's what else is out there, because yeah,

1052
00:59:20,559 --> 00:59:23,480
that wouldn't be a good thing at all. Mindy, thank

1053
00:59:23,519 --> 00:59:25,559
you so much for coming on sharing the details of

1054
00:59:25,599 --> 00:59:29,800
those experiences with us and for answering these questions. I

1055
00:59:29,840 --> 00:59:31,000
really appreciate it.

1056
00:59:32,079 --> 00:59:33,880
Speaker 1: Thank you for having me, and thank you all for

1057
00:59:33,920 --> 00:59:34,920
your questions today.

1058
00:59:35,760 --> 00:59:38,679
Speaker 2: Oh you're welcome. Thanks again so much for your time,

1059
00:59:38,719 --> 00:59:39,920
and have a great.

1060
00:59:39,760 --> 00:59:42,519
Speaker 1: Night, all right you as well. Good night everybody.

1061
00:59:43,199 --> 00:59:46,880
Speaker 2: Thanks, we'll see ya. Well that's another one. In the

1062
00:59:46,920 --> 00:59:50,559
books before I go. Two things don't forget. Tonight I

1063
00:59:50,639 --> 00:59:54,760
published four new episodes of my new Dogman podcast, dog

1064
00:59:54,840 --> 00:59:58,880
Me and Tails. Having trouble talking tonight, I apologize and

1065
00:59:59,079 --> 01:00:01,719
also too. If you've had a Dogman encounter that you

1066
01:00:01,760 --> 01:00:04,440
need help coming to terms with, or if you'd like

1067
01:00:04,559 --> 01:00:06,639
to just come on the show and share your experience

1068
01:00:06,679 --> 01:00:10,800
with the listeners, please go to Dogmanencounters dot com and

1069
01:00:10,920 --> 01:00:14,280
visit the podcast page. I'm sorry. Please just go to

1070
01:00:14,320 --> 01:00:18,320
Dogmanencounters dot com and submit a report. If you do that,

1071
01:00:18,480 --> 01:00:21,000
then I'll reach out to you and we'll schedule a

1072
01:00:21,079 --> 01:00:23,719
phone consultation so I can find out what happened and

1073
01:00:24,159 --> 01:00:26,960
we'll just take it from there. But having said that,

1074
01:00:27,119 --> 01:00:29,960
as always, thanks so much for listening to the show everyone,

1075
01:00:30,159 --> 01:00:32,800
I really appreciate it. Then, have a great night.