Speaker 1: Not great. Yeah, okay, I think yours are better than mine?
Speaker 1: Can you hear? Yeah? Yeah, I'm good. Okay, I'm good. Yeah.
Speaker 1: These are the ones I just use at my desk.
Speaker 1: I just bring them in here. You take the ones. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and these aren't mine mine, like they're still the stations. No,
Speaker 1: but it's the one that you use mostly. Yeah, you
Speaker 1: would think four years into the career, i'd get my
Speaker 1: like a real set of head but like, nah, I'll
Speaker 1: just use whatever's available. Yeah, that's that's how I kind
Speaker 1: of AM's whatever. But nevertheless, all right, uh bulky. You know,
Speaker 1: the further we get into this, I find myself asking
Speaker 1: this question because streaming movies, while I don't think they've
Speaker 1: hit the level of cinematic movies, are definitely competing better
Speaker 1: than they used to. Yeah, for sure, I had one
Speaker 1: of those feelings yesterday. And tell me if I'm off
Speaker 1: base with this. I found myself watching deep Water and
Speaker 1: I was asking myself, why didn't this goes straight to Netflix?
Speaker 1: I didn't even think of that. Yeah, Like I I
Speaker 1: genuine liam interested. Who okayed this for a theatrical release?
Speaker 1: Is this supposed to be a write off? Is this
Speaker 1: a favor to somebody, how did we end up here?
Speaker 1: There's a couple of A list actors with mostly forgettable cast,
Speaker 1: very forgettable plot. I watched this movie less than twenty
Speaker 1: four hours ago and it's already fading from memory and
Speaker 1: it has straight to Apple TV written all over it,
Speaker 1: Straight to Amazon fill in the blank here. Do you
Speaker 1: ever wonder what goes into behind the scenes negotiations to
Speaker 1: how we end up in these kind of moments?
Speaker 2: It almost seems like it started off as a theater movie,
Speaker 2: like a like that was what it was gonna be,
Speaker 2: That's what it was always gonna be, and then it's
Speaker 2: one of those things once it gets done, we're looking
Speaker 2: at like, so why do we go to the theater
Speaker 2: for this one?
Speaker 1: Again?
Speaker 2: Like this this could easily been on real the and
Speaker 2: obviously once it is that, then it is that. I
Speaker 2: don't I mean, does that happen? I don't know behind
Speaker 2: the scenes stuff, but does that happen when something spoke
Speaker 2: to be in theaters and they're like, now we're gonna
Speaker 2: put it on streaming?
Speaker 1: I bet, Like I don't have a specific example, and I.
Speaker 2: Can't imagine it goes the opposite way where it's like, oh,
Speaker 2: this is gonna be streaming.
Speaker 1: Oh, we're gonna put This is so much better than
Speaker 1: I thought it would be, exactly because there's extra costs
Speaker 1: that go into marketing it and getting it to theaters
Speaker 1: to begin with, and I understand all of that, but
Speaker 1: this one it felt so pointless. And I'm gonna be
Speaker 1: real again. The movie's deep water. Aaron that cart Ben Kingsley,
Speaker 1: and a handful of no names.
Speaker 2: The last thing I remember Aaron that Carton, yeah, was
Speaker 2: Dark Knight. I'm sure he's done stuff since then. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: He was the president. I want to say Olympus has Fallen. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but that that was that after Dark Knight.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but he was also in all that Midway.
Speaker 1: Movie, wasn't he? Maybe I didn't see that way it was.
Speaker 1: It was a great movie.
Speaker 2: Yeah, great cast, great great story, was fantastic, and I
Speaker 2: think it was pretty close to reality to.
Speaker 1: I even go further into the past though with that card.
Speaker 1: My favorite well, I mean okay, Dark Knight's one of
Speaker 1: my favorite movies all time, but very underrated. Gem I
Speaker 1: should say then is Thank You for Smoking Yeap, where
Speaker 1: he plays the tobacco lobbyist. And that was when I
Speaker 1: found him as an actor and enjoyed him in that.
Speaker 1: I find that he plays the same character and everything
Speaker 1: he's in on the type casting. But I did enjoy
Speaker 1: him in that film because you know, it was still new.
Speaker 1: At that point.
Speaker 2: He was Miami Shark's offensive coordinator Nick Krozer. Yeah, Oliver
Speaker 2: Stone's any given Sunday, absolutely, which he didn't really. I mean,
Speaker 2: it's hard, it's hard to stand out in that cast
Speaker 2: because it was awesome.
Speaker 1: That's my favorite sports movie somebody. I was on another.
Speaker 2: Podcast on Monday night and one of the last questions
Speaker 2: they asked me was what's your favorite sports movie? And
Speaker 2: then this is a guy that's been doing this for
Speaker 2: a while and he's like, we've never had the same
Speaker 2: answer twice, So now the pressure's on me.
Speaker 1: I So I'm like trying to think, like.
Speaker 2: Remember the Titans, Friday Night Lights, Caddy Shack, you know
Speaker 2: all these.
Speaker 1: And you know what I settled on.
Speaker 2: You're never gonna guess it semi pro with Will Ferroll.
Speaker 1: Oh nice, No, it's nothing wrong with that one, That's
Speaker 1: what I mean.
Speaker 2: Don't know if it's my favorite, but I wanted to
Speaker 2: make sure I was different, and it was.
Speaker 1: It was new.
Speaker 2: Nobody had said that, Yeah, but which I knew nobody
Speaker 2: was going to say, who say semi pros their favorite?
Speaker 1: Yeah, not a single person except for me. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: I don't even know if I believe it.
Speaker 2: But yeah, any given Sunday is that is a fantastic
Speaker 2: sports movie.
Speaker 1: Yeah, anytime when the NFL disowns it and says nothing
Speaker 1: could be further from the truth, I'm like, oh, I
Speaker 1: bet you that's right up against the trip. I will
Speaker 1: say this.
Speaker 2: Do you remember this is like way back in the day,
Speaker 2: ESPN had this scripted drama called Playmakers. Yeah, and and
Speaker 2: the NFL was like, no, this is yes off the air.
Speaker 2: I didn't think it was all that good.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I didn't really care for it all that much. See,
Speaker 1: I think it was hitting a little too close to home.
Speaker 2: I thought it was kind of hokey, Like yeah, I
Speaker 2: mean like, uh, you know, the whole gay wide receiver thing.
Speaker 1: Then I'm trying to think what other weird. It wasn't
Speaker 1: as redundant as it is today though, Like then it
Speaker 1: was like what.
Speaker 2: Well, maybe a little bit yeah maybe maybe back then
Speaker 2: it was it was a little ahead of its time.
Speaker 2: And maybe yeah, I mean think maybe if people watch
Speaker 2: it now would be like, oh, this is hokey garbage.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, I think that that is probably accurate. I
Speaker 1: still have a younger image of it in my mind, right, yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 2: The other thing to bring it back to deep water
Speaker 2: Ben King's the last thing I remember him ment was
Speaker 2: wonder Man. Yep, you know, so like both superhero esque things.
Speaker 2: So I wonder if this is just like, hey, we
Speaker 2: gotta get yeah, we gotta get back out there and
Speaker 2: do some serious and I thought serious movies.
Speaker 1: I thought they did well with it and hot take,
Speaker 1: and then I promise I'll stay away from his career
Speaker 1: for the rest of this podcast. I thought he was
Speaker 1: a terrible two face, Like I thought he was very
Speaker 1: miscast as two Face. I don't think he portrayed what
Speaker 1: the character is supposed to be.
Speaker 2: The line when he's laying in bed and he's talking
Speaker 2: to was he talking to Commissioner Gordon.
Speaker 1: After he's been set on five? Okay?
Speaker 2: And uh no, maybe he's talking a joker. I can't remember,
Speaker 2: but I remember when you say it, when he says
Speaker 2: the line Rachel, when he yells out Rachel, Yeah, that's
Speaker 2: the Yeah, Well, okay, what I mean, was that believable
Speaker 2: at all see just.
Speaker 1: And you're hitting on something there. For me, the scene
Speaker 1: that does it is when he's flipping the coin before
Speaker 1: he transforms, and he has one of the jokers henchmen
Speaker 1: who was dressed up as a soldier at the parade
Speaker 1: who had Rachel Dawes's name to David, who was also
Speaker 1: an ant man. Yes, anyway, but he's flipping the coin
Speaker 1: over and over again like I wouldn't and like the
Speaker 1: actual interpretation of two faces that he always had the
Speaker 1: evil half in him, and like to portray it as
Speaker 1: him getting set on fire released the evil half kind
Speaker 1: of makes it lat you like it's always supposed to be.
Speaker 1: He was always two sides of the coin, but his
Speaker 1: acting was so questionable the way he would just scream
Speaker 1: and anger and stuff. You're like, you really just sound
Speaker 1: like a lunatic and not someone that has this uncontrollable
Speaker 1: rage bubbling in him.
Speaker 2: Not that I want to turn this into the Dark
Speaker 2: Knight episode, but isn't there something to the fact that, like,
Speaker 2: we the audience have to believe that he is the
Speaker 2: Gotham's White Knight, Yeah right, and they have to portray that.
Speaker 2: So shouldn't he be a little bit awkward in that
Speaker 2: scenarios as a quasi bad guy, like because he doesn't
Speaker 2: do that, you know what I mean, you know where
Speaker 2: it's it's it has to come off a little bit
Speaker 2: not believable because he's never he's not supposed to be
Speaker 2: in it, because he's such a good guy.
Speaker 1: And I don't know, I'm just say we could just
Speaker 1: this movie sucks so much that I could just do
Speaker 1: the entire time it did suck. It sucked, man, and like,
Speaker 1: here's what sucks about that? And I'm not even afraid,
Speaker 1: Like I will watch it with my son. By the way,
Speaker 1: he said it was good. Yeah, I'm sure. I think
Speaker 1: I would have loved it in a in a different environment.
Speaker 1: I'll even tell you this because you put the seed
Speaker 1: in my head which lowered my expectations in about an
Speaker 1: hour in I was like, ah, you know, this isn't terrible.
Speaker 1: And the way it wrapped up, I was like, I
Speaker 1: don't know why anything? Why did we do this? Why
Speaker 1: or why am I here right now? Why is why
Speaker 1: is anything? What's the theme of this movie? So like,
Speaker 1: if you if you want my honest guess, because it
Speaker 1: barely is even a part of the plots, But if
Speaker 1: I had to guess the deep water is a metaphor
Speaker 1: for the dude's life, you know, sick kid trying to
Speaker 1: make ends meet, is behind career wise where he should be,
Speaker 1: and being stuck adrift in the ocean is kind of
Speaker 1: a metaphor for where he was professionally in life. That
Speaker 1: was kind of at least my inter family.
Speaker 2: Yeah, now, did you also think it's ironic? And I
Speaker 2: don't think this is a spoiler, so I'm going to
Speaker 2: say it. They weren't necessarily in deep water, no, yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean where this plane crashed, there was a coral
Speaker 2: reef right there, and and it was problematic actually that
Speaker 2: they weren't in deep enough water.
Speaker 1: Yeah, when it came to right So that was irritating.
Speaker 1: When they landed the plane. Even in my inner monologue,
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, Ben Kingsley like a pro, We're
Speaker 1: not even worried. And then you know, the wheels came off.
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, no, never mind, a lot of
Speaker 1: you are done. I still see Trevor Slattery. Yeah. Now,
Speaker 1: when I watched Ben Kingsley, he even had a few
Speaker 1: Trevor Slattery moments, didn't they without he probably filmed him
Speaker 1: at the same time, you know what he probably did. Actually,
Speaker 1: but if they this movie isn't important enough to enter
Speaker 1: the cultural zeitgeist. But I found myself and again I'm
Speaker 1: not gonna say there's nothing major to spoil, but I
Speaker 1: am gonna hit like, obviously there's a plane crash. I
Speaker 1: think that's in the trailer. You're not spoiling anything. The
Speaker 1: way they portrayed it a it looked way more realistic
Speaker 1: than it had any business looking in this movie. I
Speaker 1: think they did a very plane crash. But but if
Speaker 1: this would get if this were a more important movie,
Speaker 1: then it would be spoofed by like a scary movie
Speaker 1: or a naked gun or something like that. I could
Speaker 1: see them redoing the plane crashing and showing like a
Speaker 1: thousand people getting hit in the head with luggage, because
Speaker 1: it showed so many people getting whacked in the head
Speaker 1: with stuff, just one after just like it was in
Speaker 1: such quick secession. I'm like, if this were like, I
Speaker 1: can't believe this isn't a parody because they're doing it
Speaker 1: so much. I was like, if this were a better movie,
Speaker 1: it would have been parodied in that way because it
Speaker 1: was Did you notice it when it was happening? Because
Speaker 1: I noticed it. I was like, man, a lot of
Speaker 1: people are getting hit with luggage, and I'm sure that
Speaker 1: might happen, like maybe they asked someone in a plane
Speaker 1: crash like hey, what was it? Like, You're like, oh,
Speaker 1: you wouldn't believe it. But the luggage is flying everywhere.
Speaker 1: And that's the most dangerous part because I've never seen most.
Speaker 2: People who are in a plane crash like that don't
Speaker 2: survive to tell about.
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, I mean you find someone that did, unless
Speaker 1: your Brad pitting World War Z. Yeah, exactly, Like we
Speaker 1: had that reference. It's a reference. So there was that, and.
Speaker 2: I I'm not I remind me. I'm going to bring
Speaker 2: this up before we sign off. I want to talk
Speaker 2: about the ending and sort of how things get resolved. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and how there some people are taken out of this
Speaker 2: situation because there's something that It's something my son caught
Speaker 2: and I didn't even think about till after.
Speaker 1: I'm like, wait a minute, you're right anyway, Okay, okay,
Speaker 1: So the thing I.
Speaker 2: Noticed right away is damn the character Dan played by
Speaker 2: I believe his name is Angus Simpson.
Speaker 1: This is the guy Max.
Speaker 2: Yeah, right away, you hate this guy right away, you know,
Speaker 2: he's not a likable character, okay, And I felt like
Speaker 2: I was watching a version and I know I referenced
Speaker 2: this last week or two weeks ago. I felt like
Speaker 2: I was watching a version of the twenty one Jump
Speaker 2: street car chase scenes where I kept waiting for this
Speaker 2: guy to get it because you know, you point point
Speaker 2: this stuff out to me like, Okay, this guy's gonna die,
Speaker 2: like and I kept waiting, and there is all these like,
Speaker 2: you know, false alarms with this guy, and I'm like,
Speaker 2: how much more does this guy have to be doing
Speaker 2: to become even more unlikable before they finally bump him off.
Speaker 2: It was that irritated the heck on me. And by
Speaker 2: the way, if you look on the wiki of this film,
Speaker 2: which I did afterwards, obviously, it says starring and there's three.
Speaker 1: Actors and it's he's.
Speaker 2: The third one behind. Yeah, so he must be like
Speaker 2: I'm sure I've seen him another stuff. He reminded me
Speaker 2: of Dan Fogler, who was in The Goldbergs, who was
Speaker 2: in The Walking Dead. He was in Balls of Fury
Speaker 2: to remember Balls and Fury. Oh, he was the main
Speaker 2: guy in there. He kind of I thought it was
Speaker 2: him at first. I was like, is that Dan Foge
Speaker 2: It wasn't.
Speaker 1: I was getting Paul Giamanni vibes off the vibe or
Speaker 1: man's Paul Giamoni. Yeah, that I was getting off him,
Speaker 1: and I thought he bit it unceremoniously, and like, I
Speaker 1: think that was a major problem. At one point towards
Speaker 1: the end, a woman gets scooped off of the raft
Speaker 1: by a shark and I don't even know who it was.
Speaker 1: It happens fast, they barely draw attention to it, and
Speaker 1: everybody moves on by the time that it happens. And
Speaker 1: I'm not saying like, and I think we've talked about
Speaker 1: this before, but probably my favorite like creature feature is
Speaker 1: Kongs Skull Island, and that movie has like over twenty characters,
Speaker 1: and like you sit there and every time someone dies,
Speaker 1: you're like, oh, son of a bitch, like I wanted
Speaker 1: him to get back to his kids or whatever the
Speaker 1: situation is. Whereas here a lot of people die in
Speaker 1: unsarahrmonious ways. Like at one point there's like a couple
Speaker 1: of different groups and there's a flight attendant with a
Speaker 1: young boy and two other characters and there's like a early.
Speaker 2: It was essentially three groups. Yeah, the plane broke into
Speaker 2: three sections. There's people in three different sections of the plane.
Speaker 1: Right, and like for that group to get away, the
Speaker 1: early twenty something guy kind of swims away and you
Speaker 1: find out that he didn't make it in like a
Speaker 1: very unceremonious way, like it doesn't draw. I was like, wait,
Speaker 1: was that that guy? Or who did we just see
Speaker 1: right now?
Speaker 2: Well that I think the reason for that is because
Speaker 2: when he swims and there's the encounter with some other
Speaker 2: characters exactly, and.
Speaker 1: And his his.
Speaker 2: Resolution in that scene is left nebulous and you don't know.
Speaker 2: I think that's on purpose.
Speaker 1: Yes, I agree, I just don't think it was done
Speaker 1: well because I found myself as a viewer who was
Speaker 1: paying attention being like, wait, was that that guy? Or
Speaker 1: is that so?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 1: I did the.
Speaker 2: Flannel is what I'm like, Oh, that's the flannel guy,
Speaker 2: which I think his name is Matters.
Speaker 1: As I've expressed to you and for the record, because
Speaker 1: I haven't said this on this podcast, I love shark
Speaker 1: movies like The Deep Plato scares me. Like water no,
Speaker 1: like like The Wonders of the Sea is a terrifying process.
Speaker 1: There's a name for that. I'm sure about fear of
Speaker 1: access lassophobia, I believe. Yeah, that sounds right. Like I'll
Speaker 1: be honest with you, if you hooked me up to
Speaker 1: an EKG. When I was playing video games and the
Speaker 1: character gets submerged underwater, you would watch my heart like
Speaker 1: it's not an act. People like, dude, you're in your thirties.
Speaker 1: Play the game where the guy goes underwater. I'm like, dude,
Speaker 1: you don't understand. I can't it actually like psykes me out.
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm the same way with heights and this
Speaker 2: is gonna this is me tm I. So anybody who
Speaker 2: wants to not hear this, tune out for about sixty seconds.
Speaker 1: Huh. You know that movie Fall? Oh?
Speaker 2: And then I was watching because I knew I wasn't
Speaker 2: gonna watch Apex Charlie's Thearren and Taron Edgerton.
Speaker 1: I might check that out. That just went on Netflix, right, Yeah.
Speaker 2: I knew I wasn't gonna watch it because that's it
Speaker 2: does nothing. There's a big climax scene where they're high
Speaker 2: up at the Apex and the same feeling I get
Speaker 2: to hurry up and say this, the same feeling I get,
Speaker 2: but watching that was what I got when I was
Speaker 2: watching fall, it's this tingling and my scrotum. Yeah, and
Speaker 2: I just it's a it's like kind of like you
Speaker 2: got punched in the stomach. But and it's but it's
Speaker 2: not as bad, but it's worse, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: And I'm watching it and it's just so uncomfortable, Like
Speaker 2: why am I putting myself right?
Speaker 1: So, but so I say that to say, when you
Speaker 1: find a body in the ocean when they're all swimming
Speaker 1: and they're like, oh, didn't you recognize them, I'm like, dude,
Speaker 1: I was just hanging on for dear life in that city.
Speaker 1: I get it. Like I'm just like they even have
Speaker 1: a little mini squid moment at one point, just like.
Speaker 2: That was No, I totally get it. The other thing
Speaker 2: I was going to say with oh, the sharks. So
Speaker 2: I brought this up on your show when we were
Speaker 2: talking about this, and I said, I didn't like the.
Speaker 1: Sharks in this movie. I want to get into that,
Speaker 1: so go ahead.
Speaker 2: And and I was thinking about this, and when I
Speaker 2: was talking to you about it, I started thinking about it,
Speaker 2: and I'm like, you know, I have to kind of
Speaker 2: decide what I want. Maybe audiences have to decide what
Speaker 2: they want do we want the cartoonish sharks that seem
Speaker 2: to have this evil persona, or do we want the
Speaker 2: more realistic where these are not gargantuan megalodons that don't
Speaker 2: have an agenda, that they just all they know. How
Speaker 2: Like what did Richard Dryfe say in Jaws? It swims
Speaker 2: and it eats.
Speaker 1: It's all it knows.
Speaker 2: And maybe that's that's the more realistic version of sharks.
Speaker 2: And that's I think what we saw in this movie.
Speaker 2: And I was like, you know, it's tough because I
Speaker 2: think I prefer the non realistic ones, sure, you know,
Speaker 2: in film, but at the same time, the realistic ones,
Speaker 2: like we saw on this they should be scarier, they
Speaker 2: should hit you harder, because this is more true to
Speaker 2: life than the meg or the the super intelligent deep
Speaker 2: blue sea sharks.
Speaker 1: This is going to sound ridiculous, but I found myself
Speaker 1: leaving that theater being like, ah, so they took the
Speaker 1: moby Dick approach of creatures, because like, that's kind of
Speaker 1: the entire premise is Captain Ahab essentially has a vendetta
Speaker 1: with a whale that has no vendetta. It's like it
Speaker 1: thinks it out smarted me. No, it doesn't. It has
Speaker 1: no idea you even exist. It killed some of your
Speaker 1: crew because it was doing whale things and it is
Speaker 1: still doing whale things, and any human attributes that you
Speaker 1: are associating with this whale is a you problem. They
Speaker 1: don't jump into the psychology of it, but that is
Speaker 1: definitely the way that these sharks are portrayed. A bunch
Speaker 1: of bodies in the water, lots of blood everywhere, lots
Speaker 1: of chum in the water, both metaphorically and literally, and
Speaker 1: a bunch of sharks show up as a result of that,
Speaker 1: and it kicks into like to me, I think the
Speaker 1: biggest drawback with the sharks was I think this movie
Speaker 1: blew their entire budget on the plane crash. On the
Speaker 1: plane crash, okay, and I think the sharks did not
Speaker 1: match what the plane crash looked like visually. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: would agree with that. I think it was very quick,
Speaker 1: nothing wrong with that. I think a lot of movies
Speaker 1: are getting too comfortable showing crappy cgi like front and center,
Speaker 1: even as recently as some of the more recent Jurassic
Speaker 1: Park movies. It's like, look, I realize we've gotten a
Speaker 1: lot better than we were in nineteen ninety four, but
Speaker 1: I can tell that's a giant CGI dinosaur. You should
Speaker 1: probably play a little less fast and loose with it here,
Speaker 1: exactly so, I can appreciate that it was some quick
Speaker 1: hitters coming from these sharks, but relative to the first
Speaker 1: half hour of the movie, you can tell there was
Speaker 1: a definite reduction in quality of production value as the
Speaker 1: movie went on. That I think definitely impacted it a
Speaker 1: little bit as well.
Speaker 2: I mean, I would say that the tropes that they use,
Speaker 2: and the stories and obviously the relationships of these characters,
Speaker 2: you know, the other thing you have to figure and
Speaker 2: you know, you've been on planes before a bunch know
Speaker 2: these people you, I mean, you are total strangers with
Speaker 2: these people, and now you are thrust into a life
Speaker 2: or death situation, right, And I always think that's compelling.
Speaker 2: Walking Dead I think examined portions of that too, where
Speaker 2: people from all different walks of life somehow have to
Speaker 2: come together to collectively survive, which is what happened in
Speaker 2: this movie exactly so so so we we we got
Speaker 2: a taste of it obviously in the airport beforehand with
Speaker 2: the now there is an esports team in this now
Speaker 2: the guy who was sort of the antagonist of that
Speaker 2: esports sure, which by the way, was was that not Lily?
Speaker 2: I think her name was Lily from Pitch Perfect. I
Speaker 2: think it was as one part, like the non captain
Speaker 2: of the female of the esports team. So the the
Speaker 2: sort of the team that they were brawling with was
Speaker 2: that another esports team.
Speaker 1: No, I think that was like actual athletes.
Speaker 2: Okay, that's what I thought, because I'm like, what kind
Speaker 2: of coach is you know?
Speaker 1: Like yeah, And I think there was a little bit
Speaker 1: of how do I say this because the Meg did
Speaker 1: it as well. There's certain movies. I think shark movies
Speaker 1: play very well in China because the Meg. Yeah, oh
Speaker 1: that's true. Yeah, the Meg did this as well. There's
Speaker 1: an entire scene at one point where it's just happening
Speaker 1: in China and they do that. So like that's the
Speaker 1: scene that's in the trailer in China and if you
Speaker 1: look at it, the Meg's box office it absolutely killed it.
Speaker 1: Like I'll be interested when you start talking again, I'll
Speaker 1: look up the worldwide box office because I think we'll
Speaker 1: be like, wait a minute, it did how much? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Because this esports storyline. Maybe I'm just dating myself here,
Speaker 1: because as I've.
Speaker 2: Said there's a little element to that, but just a little.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I mean I maintain like, for the people
Speaker 1: listening who don't listen to my radio show, I one
Speaker 1: would be on an esports team had I been born
Speaker 1: in that era, Like I'd be like, oh no, this
Speaker 1: is my life goal. Yeah I'm going. So I'm not
Speaker 1: knocking anybody who does it, but like that whole athletess
Speaker 1: this is esports thing. I'm like, I feel like this
Speaker 1: is more of a of a Chinese thing than like
Speaker 1: not to be like to me, I'm sitting there watching
Speaker 1: like I think this is more of a stigma over
Speaker 1: there than it is over here, because I've never seen
Speaker 1: that in a movie ever. Yeah, where like they kind
Speaker 1: of have that competition with people and like, you know,
Speaker 1: the storyline goes where it goes a little hokey if
Speaker 1: you ask me, Yeah, that's a little bit. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I didn't think about it to that degree, but I
Speaker 2: just looked at it from the standpoint of like, the
Speaker 2: esports are a thing now, it's a huge thing, so
Speaker 2: to put it in a movie.
Speaker 1: You know, we've talked about I think we've talked.
Speaker 2: About this on on this podcast before about over the
Speaker 2: last ten, fifteen, even twenty years about non binary characters. Yeah,
Speaker 2: homosexual characters, lg LBGTQ characters or whatever that their sexuality
Speaker 2: or you know, that part of their character doesn't necessarily
Speaker 2: have anything to do with the plot, or like, sure,
Speaker 2: it's just in there because it's in there. We didn't
Speaker 2: see it for a long time. Now we're seeing it
Speaker 2: more because it's it's our society as a whole has
Speaker 2: become more accepting of this as just how it is.
Speaker 2: Is this is general, this is normal.
Speaker 1: To the point where you didn't even notice that it
Speaker 1: was a part of the plot in normal, right, exactly. Yeah, So.
Speaker 2: With the esports thing, I think that I would lump
Speaker 2: that in too, maybe as well.
Speaker 1: Is it just this is.
Speaker 2: Something that you know, nobody knew what the hell it
Speaker 2: was twenty years ago, but now it's becoming more and
Speaker 2: more prevalent.
Speaker 1: Hey, let's put it into a movie. Sure. So, I
Speaker 1: don't know, I have no idea.
Speaker 2: Or maybe it was just like, you know, because the
Speaker 2: esports team was Chinese, the athletic team was American, and
Speaker 2: maybe this was a way to incorporate a racist aspect
Speaker 2: of it a little bit without being racist, you know,
Speaker 2: I don't know that that could be something too.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think there's probably an element of that as
Speaker 1: well that I do think esports.
Speaker 2: I think more of esports as like, yeah, it's big
Speaker 2: in America, but I do think, like, I mean, this
Speaker 2: is gonna be racist, but I'm gonna say it.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: One of my buddies said, playing Madden back in the day,
Speaker 2: or one of my buddies watching NFL back in the day,
Speaker 2: he's like, every team should employ a teenage Japanese Madden
Speaker 2: kid that can run proper clock management, and you know,
Speaker 2: like Madden's big in the United States. Why I would
Speaker 2: say Japanese because I think we just have this stigma
Speaker 2: and maybe it's.
Speaker 1: Racist that.
Speaker 2: East Asian people are just really awesome and the best
Speaker 2: video game players.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I'll even provide you with some backup
Speaker 1: on this there so that you feel comfortable saying it,
Speaker 1: because I'm not being hyperbolic. I genuinely believe I would
Speaker 1: be one of the greatest professional gamers if I had
Speaker 1: been born twenty years later. Yeah. And there is a
Speaker 1: game available for free on the Nintendo Switch called Tetris
Speaker 1: ninety nine where you are playing Tetris against ninety nine
Speaker 1: other players at the same time, and you can send
Speaker 1: a text and stuff like that. Oh wow, you slowly
Speaker 1: like people get knocked out and you raised only one
Speaker 1: person who's still playing Tetris. And I'll play it, you know,
Speaker 1: here and there sparingly and like I'm not lying. I
Speaker 1: will get in the top fifteen every single time. And
Speaker 1: the top fifteen is Chinese letters, Chinese letters, Chinese, Chinese letters,
Speaker 1: ben Chinese letters, Chinese letters, Chinese And eventually you get
Speaker 1: to fifteenth place and it's like Mike John Tim and
Speaker 1: you're like okay, and now the American show up and
Speaker 1: it's every which is weird because isn't that isn't that
Speaker 1: a Russian game? Absolutely okay, they mastered it except for
Speaker 1: a little kid in Oklahoma's the first kid to ever
Speaker 1: beat Tetris. So I think this country is going to
Speaker 1: be Okay. It happened very recently.
Speaker 2: And uh, you know what else I recently phoned out
Speaker 2: speaking of video games. Yeah, you know how Mario says
Speaker 2: it's a me Mario yeplay.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so that's a word. Okay. No, here's the thing.
Speaker 2: A lot of people think it was originated by saying
Speaker 2: it's Sumi Mario yeah.
Speaker 1: Oh, now I'm about to be interested. To god, oh
Speaker 1: you're gonna be get your mind blown. Yeah.
Speaker 2: So a lot of people think he says because Nintendo's
Speaker 2: Japanese yes, And a lot of people say, I think
Speaker 2: he says it's a me Mario. He's actually saying no,
Speaker 2: he's saying it's Sumi Mario yes, which means super in Japanese.
Speaker 2: I found out that's a whole lot of bunk. He
Speaker 2: is saying it's a me Mario and it's Sumi. U
Speaker 2: is simply a surname in Japan and Super is like
Speaker 2: Japanese for super is like something totally different, like it's
Speaker 2: it's it's so I don't know how this happened, but
Speaker 2: like I see tiktoks or whatever people like, oh my god,
Speaker 2: I can't believe this is I always thought this was
Speaker 2: this was the case, and it's not just crazy.
Speaker 1: That's crazy. They were probably trying to cover up because
Speaker 1: that is kind of bigoted towards Italian people that you
Speaker 1: think they are a little bit Yeah, and you go
Speaker 1: look like, go play punch Out on the original Nintendo.
Speaker 1: Every single character is just a characterization of a different race. Really,
Speaker 1: I haven't noticed that it's awful, Like it's awesome. It's
Speaker 1: from the eighties' like you know, what are you gonna do?
Speaker 1: But like you go and look and you're just like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, Like everyone's like the French guy is
Speaker 1: like this pansy. It just goes on and on, like
Speaker 1: there's all these hyper characterizations. But in any event, we digress.
Speaker 1: I have to go back and look at that. Oh yeah, well,
Speaker 1: well lisha look over the roster characters later, because it's
Speaker 1: hilarious how much every single race and ethnicity is represented
Speaker 1: in this thing in one way or another. And so,
Speaker 1: I mean that was my thought process though, because it's
Speaker 1: a little known impact of the worldwide element of movies,
Speaker 1: but China's box office does have a major impact on
Speaker 1: American movies these days. A lot of people don't know that.
Speaker 1: So when you see these kind of characters, occupations, kind
Speaker 1: of storylines, you're like, oh, I didn't see that. It
Speaker 1: could be just a changing of the tide generationally, or
Speaker 1: it could just be like, hey, people in the eastern
Speaker 1: side of the planet, come check this out too, and
Speaker 1: it didn't work. The global box office is atrocious. It's
Speaker 1: almost exclusively domestic, and even that is deep water. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think we're the only people that went to see
Speaker 1: this movie this weekend. You know what's crazy is my
Speaker 1: theater was packed. It was absolutely packed with people go
Speaker 1: and check out not as many Sark movies. I'm telling you, man, Well, no,
Speaker 1: but that wasn't the main draw. The main draw was
Speaker 1: fing Devilware's product too. I asked the people, you're talking
Speaker 1: about the parking lot, so crowded theater. But no, my
Speaker 1: theater was crowded as well. But apparently the main draw
Speaker 1: is Devilware's product too. But my theater got a lot
Speaker 1: of the strays. I didn't even know this, but if
Speaker 1: you take the back corner seat in the movie theater,
Speaker 1: which is all I really had left, the recliners don't
Speaker 1: work because that's where people walk up the steps and
Speaker 1: it's a fire hazard. Oh you can, some of them work? O.
Speaker 1: Mine didn't, and I tried both of them in the corner. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I mean maybe it's not true of every theater, but
Speaker 2: I know I've sad in that seat.
Speaker 1: But because I hate sitting by people.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so, so then I always try to pick that
Speaker 2: one because who's gonna buy the one?
Speaker 1: You know? Next to me?
Speaker 2: You know what I mean, so anyway, we digress. Okay,
Speaker 2: what else did I want want to say about this film?
Speaker 2: The Okay, so I talked about how some of the
Speaker 2: plot lines were were cool of like okay, hey.
Speaker 1: We're running out of air here. Yeah, we have to
Speaker 1: make a decision.
Speaker 2: The plane is well okay, So there was the there
Speaker 2: was the section of the plane that was on the
Speaker 2: coral reef that was sort of like up and down,
Speaker 2: like the fuselage.
Speaker 1: Is that what you called the fuselage? I think? So
Speaker 1: it was up and down.
Speaker 2: Then you had the main the main one with Aaron
Speaker 2: Eckhart on it, that was now was that on something
Speaker 2: or was it floating?
Speaker 1: That was kind of confusing. I think it was just
Speaker 1: floating because Ben Kingsley was in the front there until
Speaker 1: he wasn't right, and you really didn't see the front
Speaker 1: of the plane after that, so I feel like it
Speaker 1: came off and but they don't show you. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: definitely don't see it happen, like it kind of leaves
Speaker 1: it for you to infer what happened, and you can
Speaker 1: just kind of see through the through the plane there.
Speaker 1: So I don't know how it was staying afloat to
Speaker 1: be perfectly on again, there were a lot of moments
Speaker 1: like that.
Speaker 2: Did you feel like there were I'm thinking about like
Speaker 2: other shark movies. Did you feel like there were too
Speaker 2: many characters in this movie?
Speaker 1: Again, I that's why I brought up Skull Island. You
Speaker 1: can do it right, and I think they did a
Speaker 1: good job of showing you the backstory of all the characters.
Speaker 1: Must you.
Speaker 2: Here's where I don't think that the I think that
Speaker 2: it's not the same Skull Island had a much richer
Speaker 2: richer is the wrong word, much more well known cast.
Speaker 1: Okay, sure, so the faces are more recognized.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's easy to place these you know these people
Speaker 2: and like, but like for this one, I'm trying to
Speaker 2: like get there.
Speaker 1: I agree, a lot of them look the same. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Like I was just like, who I told you a
Speaker 1: woman got scooped off. Towards the end, I was like,
Speaker 1: I don't even know who's missed. Like I am looking
Speaker 1: at the survivors and I cannot tell you who was
Speaker 1: standing there, right, And that's a problem. Yeah, that's absolutely
Speaker 1: a problem. Like I said, there's probably a few too
Speaker 1: many characters. And an hour into it, I was like, Okay,
Speaker 1: I think Bulky was too hard on this. I think
Speaker 1: the fact that it's a two hour movie it should
Speaker 1: have been a ninety minute movie, knock some of the
Speaker 1: characters out, I think is a big issue.
Speaker 2: I mentioned this to you as well. Did you feel
Speaker 2: like it's just all of a sudden like, oh, that's it.
Speaker 2: Like I felt like there was something bigger coming, like
Speaker 2: there was gonna be Yeah. I think about the final
Speaker 2: showdown of not that I want to compare this to
Speaker 2: every Shark movie ever, but the final show shoutdown of
Speaker 2: Roy Scheider in Jaws, the final showdown with Jason Statham
Speaker 2: in The meg I just I always felt like they
Speaker 2: was gonna take it to another level, and maybe I
Speaker 2: guess they kind of did with Eckhart and then Cora
Speaker 2: the Little Girl. Yeah, but then I was just kind
Speaker 2: of like.
Speaker 1: Oh, I agree, it just kind of petered out. Yeah.
Speaker 1: It screams to me a movie that filmed the plane
Speaker 1: crash and was like Son of a Bitch that was
Speaker 1: eighty percent of our budget. Yeah, and like, because it
Speaker 1: feels like there's a whole missing scene in the movie, Like,
Speaker 1: because you're right, it does feel and I am willing
Speaker 1: to throw in the final five minutes of forty seven
Speaker 1: meters down to uncaged as well into this story as well.
Speaker 1: Those last five minutes are over the top, like almost
Speaker 1: cartoonishly over the top, and I was here for all
Speaker 1: of it. But okay, I mean you.
Speaker 2: Bring that up, but like the first forty seven meters
Speaker 2: down right, yeah, the way like that that hit a crescendo.
Speaker 1: And how about that ending, that's a great.
Speaker 2: The Blake Lively one the Shallows the Shallows, Yeah, that
Speaker 2: was another awesome one where it was just like it
Speaker 2: was man versus nature.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and zooming at the anchor. Oh, what an ending.
Speaker 1: That was fantastic. Yeah, there's so many ways. It's so
Speaker 1: hard to make a shark movie that I'm like, ah,
Speaker 1: you know it missed, Like well, you know.
Speaker 2: You have said this before, and you're right. Endings are hard,
Speaker 2: like finishing a story is always it's always very difficult.
Speaker 2: Now here's before I forget, I'm going to bring it
Speaker 2: up now if you are really want to see this movie,
Speaker 2: which I think you can spend your time in a
Speaker 2: better way than maybe tune out for the next ninety seconds.
Speaker 1: Ben, how did you how did the survivors get rescued?
Speaker 1: They got on the fisher boat right.
Speaker 2: How did the fishboat of the fishing boat get it
Speaker 2: couldn't get close enough because of the coral reef?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think weren't they all in the raft and
Speaker 1: the current was just gradually taking them to deeper waters?
Speaker 1: Like I think there was a throwaway line about like
Speaker 1: the current. Okay, so I missed that line. Okay.
Speaker 2: So then basically what we're to believe as the because
Speaker 2: this is what my son brought up. I'm like, I
Speaker 2: don't even know what we're to believe is that the
Speaker 2: current the fishing boat sat there and then just had
Speaker 2: to wait for the current to take them away from
Speaker 2: the coral reef and then they rescue.
Speaker 1: That's my understanding and as to what happened. But I
Speaker 1: mean again, and like, because all of.
Speaker 2: A sudden, they're just on this on this you know,
Speaker 2: troller or whatever you call it. And I'm like, well,
Speaker 2: I thought they couldn't get close enough because and what
Speaker 2: about that whatever.
Speaker 1: We don't need to get into the whole sharks thing,
Speaker 1: oh no, but I mean, like I want to get
Speaker 1: into this ending because also nothing makes me more mad.
Speaker 1: And I know you and I are both big expendables fans,
Speaker 1: Like I don't hate on the expendables, but like they
Speaker 1: also do the bush League thing where they just steal
Speaker 1: the die hard kill a kill a helicopter with a
Speaker 1: motorcycle thing, and they act like they invented it. It's like, bro,
Speaker 1: we saw this in a movie three years ago. Yeah, Like,
Speaker 1: if you're gonna go the realistic shark route, then don't
Speaker 1: do the meg helicopter scene with the realistic sharks. Like
Speaker 1: I'm like, not only is this worse in every way
Speaker 1: than something I've already seen, but it doesn't even make
Speaker 1: sense thematically for what for what you're trying to do.
Speaker 2: What I don't understand about that part is is you
Speaker 2: know they have this dot Okay, so they're lowering this
Speaker 2: person out.
Speaker 1: Of this helicopter. Yeah, what is this person doing? I
Speaker 1: think she's gonna scoop two people up at a time,
Speaker 1: bring them up to the helicopter. I imagine. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I've never been part of a rescue, but I assume
Speaker 1: she was just gonna grab like children first and they
Speaker 1: needed flippers and and you know, and and then was
Speaker 1: it a she or he? She? And then she's like,
Speaker 1: oh yeah, drop me down, like she.
Speaker 2: She was gonna swim over to him I guess yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean that's a fair point. Also, Wow, why wouldn't
Speaker 2: I mean, couldn't it couldn't that isn't that rope long
Speaker 2: enough where they can hover right over?
Speaker 1: I would think? And and while we're on it, I
Speaker 1: am no expert on this, and maybe this is a
Speaker 1: cold hearted question to ask, Yeah, but like, is there
Speaker 1: no push this button to cut baits?
Speaker 2: And exactly that was what I was like, or somebody's
Speaker 2: got like a bolt cutters or something right there, just
Speaker 2: like snap it. I don't understand this because you're talking about, yeah,
Speaker 2: it's gonna suck for them to be in the water,
Speaker 2: but at the same time, you're saving the lives of
Speaker 2: everybody else in that helicopter and potentially everybody else on
Speaker 2: the raft who could have gotten destroyed by that helicopter.
Speaker 1: And like I'm sitting there like this doesn't feel like
Speaker 1: the way that this would happen at all.
Speaker 2: And all our Coastguard listeners, let us know, how do
Speaker 2: these helicopters work? Do they have do they have cutters
Speaker 2: to pull that away?
Speaker 1: And I realized it's a it's a crappy thing to
Speaker 1: ask because that's a human life. But you know, as
Speaker 1: Spock said, the needs of the many, the need of
Speaker 1: the of the view, and let's be.
Speaker 2: Real here, and you know what, if you're in the
Speaker 2: coast Guard, you know what you're signing up for. You know,
Speaker 2: these things happen, and.
Speaker 1: Let's be real. When he was starting to bring her
Speaker 1: up to the helicopter anyway, I was like, ah, don't
Speaker 1: save me. At that point, that was genuinely what I
Speaker 1: thought I saw it. I'm like, oh at this point, yeah, Like.
Speaker 2: We talked about the shark special effects, what do you
Speaker 2: think about the special effects of like the the the
Speaker 2: humans that were attacked, like the aftermath like of that
Speaker 2: person that they were Oh sure.
Speaker 1: It didn't stick out to me, so it's fine. Yeah yeah,
Speaker 1: And I mean the best special effects were the getting
Speaker 1: hit in the face with luggage special Yeah, that was
Speaker 1: that was like in Titanic, because that's your favorite movie.
Speaker 1: It was my favorite movie. It's not my favorite movie anymore.
Speaker 1: When they it's like they realized that, like, oh, guys,
Speaker 1: we mastered like people falling a long distance and hitting
Speaker 1: their face off of pipe technology. Let's show that five
Speaker 1: times because the audience is going to get a kick
Speaker 1: out of it. And sure enough, they were right. Every
Speaker 1: time they showed it, you're like, oh, that was pretty cool.
Speaker 1: That was that in this movie. It's like, we have
Speaker 1: mastered free falling luggage technology. Let's show the audience that
Speaker 1: we have mastered this. Speaking of that illusion, this is
Speaker 1: off topic.
Speaker 2: Olivia Rodrigo hosted SNL.
Speaker 1: This past Saturday night. Okay, the opening sketch was brilliant.
Speaker 2: It was a nineteen eighties schlocky soap opera type thing,
Speaker 2: maybe a primetime soap opera, and it was these people
Speaker 2: at the top of this staircase, this long staircase, and
Speaker 2: somebody would somebody off as a plot device to kill
Speaker 2: that character off, they would push him down the stairs.
Speaker 2: They would show him tumbling down the stairs. Sure, the
Speaker 2: way they built the set was this set was like
Speaker 2: on TV when they showed them coming down the stairs,
Speaker 2: it looked like it was, you know, they were really
Speaker 2: falling at an angle, right, But in real life, the
Speaker 2: set was built and painted on an angle. And then
Speaker 2: the staircase, while it looked like it was a staircase
Speaker 2: going down, it actually was set level. And then so
Speaker 2: these characters and they're pushed down, they're basically just somersaulting
Speaker 2: across the floor. But and and obviously the audience is
Speaker 2: who's watching this live is going crazy because of how
Speaker 2: amazing this looks.
Speaker 1: And on screen, I'm like, why is everybody laughing so hard?
Speaker 2: And then when they break it down it, you know,
Speaker 2: sometimes they'll show you breaking down the skets before they
Speaker 2: go to commercial.
Speaker 1: You see how it was set up, Like, oh, that's brilliant. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that is that now, that is mastery right there. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and there's certain I mean, like that's for comedic purposes.
Speaker 1: But like there was an Eli Roth movie called Haunt
Speaker 1: where like it's and I shouldn't even say throw directed, Okay,
Speaker 1: it's it's basically it's been done a thousand times. You're
Speaker 1: in a haunted house, but the haunted house is real,
Speaker 1: and like no one believes it because all haunted houses
Speaker 1: are fake and you don't realize it. And like you
Speaker 1: could tell that he had just learned how to do
Speaker 1: like a really realistic prosthetic of like a pole going
Speaker 1: through someone's head and then showing you the aftermath of
Speaker 1: them laying there and like five people died, like the
Speaker 1: different variations of that method, and it's like, so did
Speaker 1: he just like find out how to do this and
Speaker 1: be like I'm gonna write an entire movie around this death,
Speaker 1: and like that that really felt like what it was,
Speaker 1: and like, I swear to god, it's like they were like, Okay,
Speaker 1: we have this really good plane crash scene. We need
Speaker 1: the rest of the movie. Now, what can we do.
Speaker 1: Here's the plane crash. It's in the ocean. Okay, so sharks, Yeah,
Speaker 1: oh yeah, yeah, we'll throw it some sharks. Like does
Speaker 1: it feel like I'm that off with that assessment, because
Speaker 1: it really feels like there is a drop off from
Speaker 1: that one scene compared to everything else in the movie.
Speaker 1: I know video games do that very famously. There's a
Speaker 1: There's a leather Face movie from twenty seventeen where the
Speaker 1: first scene in the last scene are very obviously like Texas,
Speaker 1: the Texas Chainsaw, Maasacar themed, and the rest of the
Speaker 1: movie is just like stand by me. It's like basically,
Speaker 1: really yeah, it's like leather Face, but when he was
Speaker 1: a kid, and it's like they told a coming of
Speaker 1: age story and one of the children had a disability
Speaker 1: and they're like, Okay, nobody's gonna see this, but if
Speaker 1: we call it leather Face and had a scene at
Speaker 1: the beginning of the end, and now we got ourselves
Speaker 1: a chainsaw massacre movie. That's how I felt watching this movie.
Speaker 1: And it's like, we got Ben Kingsley, and we got
Speaker 1: Aaron Eckhart and we got an awesome plane crash. Let's
Speaker 1: let's see if we can make a couple million.
Speaker 2: Do you think when they have big and I don't
Speaker 2: know how this works and maybe you don't either, but
Speaker 2: when they have like bigger named Hollywood actors like this
Speaker 2: like Kingsley, who, by the way, is he not an
Speaker 2: Academy Award winning actor?
Speaker 1: Okay not only an Academy Award winning actor, but he
Speaker 1: won a Movie Award for playing for can Go Gandhi? Yeah? Yeah,
Speaker 1: which like in this era of like what you can't
Speaker 1: curst that. Let's be real anyway, carry on, Well, when
Speaker 1: did Gandhi come up? Was that eighties or nineties? Eighties
Speaker 1: or nine? Yeah, one of those two. But that was bad.
Speaker 1: That was bad era, different era, but yeah, absolutely, like
Speaker 1: it's always been done, is my point. Yeah, go on.
Speaker 1: So Harvey Dent was played by Billy D. Williams in
Speaker 1: the nineteen eighty nine Batman, and no one even batter
Speaker 1: than I Like, it's just it's a different. Well, it's different,
Speaker 1: it's different.
Speaker 2: I think people have a problem with it when you're
Speaker 2: whitewashing it, but when you're when you're doing the opposite
Speaker 2: of whitewashing it.
Speaker 1: Nobody else tell that to Heimdalf. But okay, well, but
Speaker 1: I'll say this too.
Speaker 2: There are something like because Marvel does this right, absolutely,
Speaker 2: And there's a lot of people that have a problem
Speaker 2: with yeah, switching the gender, switching the race. Yeah, I
Speaker 2: brought it all right anyway, But yeah, he's Fury. Is
Speaker 2: is a is another big example.
Speaker 1: And but that's an example that went so well that
Speaker 1: now it's been changed in the comics. I didn't know
Speaker 1: that they were like, actually, this is what Nick Fury
Speaker 1: looks like. Now, why do they do that? Yeah, they
Speaker 1: just were like, nah, he's he's a bald black Oh
Speaker 1: my god, because wow, Samuel Jackson ate that role alive.
Speaker 1: Like no one was questioned it. You're like, oh, no,
Speaker 1: that's Nick Fury, obviously, that's Nick Fury.
Speaker 2: We're not even I wonder if I wonder if they
Speaker 2: even consider when they're casting for Nick Fury, if they
Speaker 2: even considered a white actor.
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, you know, they throw him in an after
Speaker 1: credits scene, they're like, oh, maybe this will become something
Speaker 1: down the line. I can't remember where I was going
Speaker 1: with this. Now you were asking me when you have
Speaker 1: these A list actors, because you said.
Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, do you think they get paid based on
Speaker 2: screen time?
Speaker 1: In other ways? Okay? So like so, so do you
Speaker 1: think I can't ask this as well? I was spoiling it.
Speaker 1: Do you think as far as Ben Kingsley's role okay you.
Speaker 2: Said it now, yeah, that they were able to get
Speaker 2: him on given that, Yes.
Speaker 1: Okay, that's absolutely. I'll be real with you. I was
Speaker 1: going to make the joke before I had even seen it,
Speaker 1: and I was like, so after the fifteen minutes that
Speaker 1: aaronet Cart and Ben Kingsley are in this movie were
Speaker 1: just left with I assumed both of them were going
Speaker 1: to be gone on very early on all the yep.
Speaker 1: I was fairly certain it was to get butts in
Speaker 1: seats and then here's you know, the cast that you're
Speaker 1: actually going to be enjoyed for the rest. I'm pretty
Speaker 1: good in anticipating those kind of moments, especially in movies
Speaker 1: like this, and I assumed neither one of them.
Speaker 2: Was the example where that's happened though, Ben where they
Speaker 2: kill off both well not even kill off, but like
Speaker 2: just get rid of both or or in this case
Speaker 2: all off the.
Speaker 1: Top of my head. And it's gonna be a hilarious example.
Speaker 1: But there's a movie called I believe it's called The Blackening,
Speaker 1: which was a horror comedy. No, I don't believe, so
Speaker 1: predominantly black cast in the first two characters in the
Speaker 1: movie are Jay Farrow from Saturday out Live and I'm
Speaker 1: blanking on what the woman's name was, but she's a
Speaker 1: very famous black actress. And they even make a comment
Speaker 1: in the scene and they're like, unless, of course you
Speaker 1: sink all your money in to some A list actors,
Speaker 1: but you only have them for a couple of minutes,
Speaker 1: you know, something to that effect, and by the end
Speaker 1: and it's just like one of those kind of moments.
Speaker 1: But if I thought about it long, I probably get
Speaker 1: better examples of it. But all right, let's let's what
Speaker 1: are we doing on time here? How much time do
Speaker 1: we We've been going for forty three miles? Okay, we
Speaker 1: got time? Yeah, let's play a game.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's called is this shark movie better than
Speaker 2: that Shark movie?
Speaker 1: Yeah? All right, I'm here for it.
Speaker 2: So I'm gonna I'm gonna give give all of them
Speaker 2: that I can think of. I'm sure I'm gonna forget some.
Speaker 2: You can bring them up. Yeah, okay, so we're comparing
Speaker 2: all these to deep Water. Okay, I do this on
Speaker 2: my fantasy football. I love this shows where we we
Speaker 2: we play it would you rather? And it's all players
Speaker 2: going right around the same spot and rafts and to
Speaker 2: try it because like some people are like, oh, I
Speaker 2: take him over, this guy over this guy, like oh wow,
Speaker 2: you're really high on you know, Aaron Jones or something
Speaker 2: like that.
Speaker 1: Anyway, so let's do Battle and Warren all season. In
Speaker 1: this season, I was just like, who do I put them? Yeah? Exactly?
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, I forgot the name of the movie deep
Speaker 2: Water or Jaws the Revenge.
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, Really, maybe I shouldn't start off with
Speaker 1: but no, I think it's a good. It's a good
Speaker 1: because it is better than that. Okay, so Jows three
Speaker 1: better than that? I would agree, Yeah, Jaws two, we're
Speaker 1: pushing it, but I'd still say better. No, Jows two
Speaker 1: is better? You think, Oh, no question? Okay, Like I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't think.
Speaker 2: I think there's a deep, yawning chasm between the quality
Speaker 2: of Jaws two and Jaws three. I mean, do you
Speaker 2: remember we talked in like, granted this movie is older,
Speaker 2: special effects are different, but the last scene of Jaws
Speaker 2: three it was like you were moving a piece of
Speaker 2: construction paper across a screen. Yeah, it was the word.
Speaker 2: I mean, I can't believe lewis all the I'm not comparing,
Speaker 2: but I'm talking about because like you're like, well, we're
Speaker 2: pushing it, but it's this is still better.
Speaker 1: Than Jos two. Josh two I thought was brilliant. The
Speaker 1: the the.
Speaker 2: Whole aspect of being trapped with the electricity and the
Speaker 2: kids are out there. Kids are dying, by the way
Speaker 2: in this in Jaws two. Yeah, I mean think about
Speaker 2: when that came out. We're kids, We're kids being killed
Speaker 2: off by sharks.
Speaker 1: That sentence right there changed my mind. I'll give it.
Speaker 1: I'll give them because you're exactly I was watching this
Speaker 1: movie yesterday infer what you want from this statement. I
Speaker 1: was like, they need to kill one of these kids
Speaker 1: for me to be invested. It's like, it's twenty twenty six, Yeah,
Speaker 1: let's kill these kids.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and quite frankly, you know, the expectation is like
Speaker 2: because like I'll watch a movie like this and I'll
Speaker 2: be like, they're not gonna kill one of these kids,
Speaker 2: and then when they do, You're like, oh my god,
Speaker 2: Well that's what it takes.
Speaker 1: That's what it takes. You got a shock audience or somehow.
Speaker 1: I'm right there with you. So yeah, you got me
Speaker 1: on board. I'll give them to Jaws, and obviously Jaws
Speaker 1: as much I'm not even all right?
Speaker 2: Is forty seven meters down the sequel? What's it called
Speaker 2: on cage? Forty seven meters down? Uncaged or deep water?
Speaker 1: I think forty seven meters down on Cage is the
Speaker 1: best shark movie.
Speaker 2: Okay, all right, so I really what the wrong way
Speaker 2: on that one? Forty seven meters now?
Speaker 1: Still better? Still very good?
Speaker 2: Tell me which film so I know which which one
Speaker 2: you're talking about?
Speaker 1: Okay, obliterate this movie the shallows Shallows? Yes, I agree.
Speaker 1: I agree with you so far and everything. Deep blue
Speaker 1: C YEA deep blue c. Yeah it's not close. Yeah,
Speaker 1: like there's no scene in what like what shark movies?
Speaker 1: Am I forgetting Shark Nato? Okay? I didn't even tell
Speaker 1: you my Shark Nato story. Yeah, Iron Zering. Is that
Speaker 1: the lead?
Speaker 2: Yeah, from Beverly Hills. Nine O two went on, Oh yeah,
Speaker 2: I spoke with him about Shark Nado.
Speaker 1: How did I speak with him? Well, I'll tell you.
Speaker 2: Uh, one of the other jobs I worked for, we
Speaker 2: have a presence online and sometimes people call in to
Speaker 2: place orders for watches, accessories, what have you. Sure and
Speaker 2: I have taken orders from some athletes whatever. And I
Speaker 2: get an email from my boss one morning and he said,
Speaker 2: we we have this thing.
Speaker 1: Called frog call. Can you fraud call this.
Speaker 2: Guy because we see stuff like billing and shipping doesn't
Speaker 2: match up, or IP address looks weird and it's like
Speaker 2: for something really expensive or whatever. So we called the
Speaker 2: person to try to like interrogate him a little bit,
Speaker 2: not into that's a strong one, I know what you mean,
Speaker 2: but you know, it kind of suss out and whether
Speaker 2: we well ion Zering had placed an order. Okay, So
Speaker 2: we're like, I mean this has gotta be fake, right,
Speaker 2: So can you call this guy? I'm like yeah, So
Speaker 2: I called him up and I'm like, uh, yeah, is
Speaker 2: this Ion? Because I knew he does Ion, not Ian,
Speaker 2: and like he has this sign. Yeah, this is Ion,
Speaker 2: And I just I'm like, I just want to confirm
Speaker 2: some details on this order, blah blah blah. So I
Speaker 2: like started, you know, and I was like, listen, I
Speaker 2: hope you don't mind me asking, but you're ion Zering,
Speaker 2: the the actor, right, and he's like, oh yeah, and uh.
Speaker 2: And I talked about Beverly Hill's nine O two one, oh, like, oh,
Speaker 2: big fan whatever, not that I was a big fan,
Speaker 2: but I watched it whatever, and he's.
Speaker 1: Just kind of like, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: And then I just mentioned Sharknado once to this guy,
Speaker 2: and it was like the floodgates of open. I couldn't
Speaker 2: get him off the phone. He was so excited about
Speaker 2: I think this was how many are there now at
Speaker 2: least five? I think this was between three and four
Speaker 2: or two and three. And it was before that next
Speaker 2: one had come out, and he's like, oh, yeah, dude,
Speaker 2: we're making another one.
Speaker 1: It's gonna be great.
Speaker 2: And he's telling me all this stuff about it, and I'm like,
Speaker 2: I can't believe I'm sitting at work right now talking
Speaker 2: with Iron Zeroing, the star of Shark Nato, Like I'm
Speaker 2: hosting a talk show and he's promoting the film Tea
Speaker 2: on television.
Speaker 1: I was had to be on the phone with it
Speaker 1: for fifteen minutes. I left ten minutes. These phone calls
Speaker 1: normally take ninety seconds. It was crazy. Anyway, Well, this
Speaker 1: is actually gonna make that story so much worse than Yeah,
Speaker 1: this movie's deep water is better than Sharknado. Yeah, I think.
Speaker 1: I mean, like the thing with no disrespect. Now, he
Speaker 1: seems like an awesome dude. No, it is an awesome
Speaker 1: and I don't want to be a jerk, but I
Speaker 1: don't like those movies.
Speaker 2: But awesome dudes can make bad films. Yeah, I don't think.
Speaker 2: I don't know. Sometimes I think, like the shark Nato thing,
Speaker 2: the first one was so campy.
Speaker 1: And and just unseerious.
Speaker 2: Didn't didn't right and right and so, And I think
Speaker 2: that's how people took it to the point where it's
Speaker 2: l L random.
Speaker 1: I said that to you yesterday. I don't like that stuff, right,
Speaker 1: sod this for randomness sake. You lost me. It's got
Speaker 1: to be done. Good, have fun, good luck, don't die. Yeah, cool,
Speaker 1: you're you understand where the line is and you took
Speaker 1: it right there. Shark Nado's like what if? What if?
Speaker 1: What's his name? Baywatch? Oh my god? How am I Hasselhoff?
Speaker 1: What if he's the president? And then he goes to
Speaker 1: outer space and he shoots the and like, I'm not
Speaker 1: even making this up, like that's actually part of the plot.
Speaker 1: It's just like, okay, guys, that's that's why. Uh ye.
Speaker 2: Stir Fry is a big Paul Walker fan, and he
Speaker 2: like unsurprisingly and.
Speaker 1: He they did start sucking, well not sucking getting worse.
Speaker 2: But but he'll he does this stuff where he'll make
Speaker 2: up different reasons of how he feels about something when
Speaker 2: we really know why he feels about And so we
Speaker 2: knew that when Paul Walker died, he was gonna be like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 2: these aren't as good, and he's just like yeah, I
Speaker 2: mean and like now he's like I can't even and
Speaker 2: he used to love fast yeah, and he's like, I can't.
Speaker 1: Even watch these anymore.
Speaker 2: I mean, he's these guys are just these chumps stealing
Speaker 2: DVD players and now they're being sent by the government
Speaker 2: into space.
Speaker 1: I mean, give me a break. When they're jumping buildings
Speaker 1: in Abu Dhabi, that was completely acceptable. But I do
Speaker 1: maintain it peaked at seven and it's been on a gradual,
Speaker 1: gradual decline.
Speaker 2: They could they could be definitely bring it back to Yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm not going to disagree with you, bring it back
Speaker 2: to Sharknato. I don't know what the intention was of
Speaker 2: the first Sharknado. Sure if they meant to be that
Speaker 2: was straight to TV sci fi?
Speaker 1: Right? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Yeah, where where they meant to be? Where was it
Speaker 2: meant to be something that we were supposed to kind
Speaker 2: of like be laughing at him?
Speaker 1: Yeah? I think so.
Speaker 2: Okay, I didn't know about the first one, but I
Speaker 2: know about the rest because they really embraced that that esthetic, right,
Speaker 2: and so Sharknado, Yeah, it's technically a shark movie, but
Speaker 2: I it's it's I.
Speaker 1: Put it in.
Speaker 2: It's like a different genre shark movie, right, you know,
Speaker 2: So it's it's tough for me to like put like
Speaker 2: involve that in.
Speaker 1: Having the show.
Speaker 2: What was the other shark movie that just came out?
Speaker 1: Oh, Thrash, thrash. I haven't seen it. I haven't either.
Speaker 1: I wonder where that would rent. Yeah, maybe I'll try
Speaker 1: and check it out this week at some point we
Speaker 1: can do that. Yeah, okay, but I will say like
Speaker 1: there was no moment like granted, I doubt there's as
Speaker 1: many people that like Deep Bluecy as much as me.
Speaker 1: Like I've seen it way too many times and I can.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna be honest with you, anybody I talked to
Speaker 2: you about Deep Bluecy tells me how much they love it.
Speaker 2: I have not met anybody who's like, oh, yeah, that
Speaker 2: movie was trash.
Speaker 1: And like I talk about I said, like, if this
Speaker 1: movie were better, if it were a zeitgeist divining film
Speaker 1: deep Water that is, yeah, they would mock the luggage thing.
Speaker 1: Samuel Jackson being eaten by that shark is campy. It's silly,
Speaker 1: it's funny, and it's super memorable. Like it was just like,
Speaker 1: oh they got they got they got him that way,
Speaker 1: like in the middle of his pump up speech, Like
Speaker 1: that's the way you do this, camp Right.
Speaker 2: You were going to have a mount Rushmore of shark
Speaker 2: movie moments, Yeah, you cannot have it without that moment, right,
Speaker 2: Like I'm trying to think with the mount Rushmore b
Speaker 2: Shier blasting the gas tank, Yeah, sure that's gotta be one, obviously,
Speaker 2: Nick Nick fiery Samuel Jackson being eaten by the shark.
Speaker 1: I'm trying to think what else I'd almost give two
Speaker 1: from that movie and either have ll cool. J you
Speaker 1: ate my bird? Oh yeah, that was all right. She
Speaker 1: might be the smartest animal on earth, but she's just
Speaker 1: an animal, right, Yeah?
Speaker 2: Yeah, the the the electric cable scene and Jaws two.
Speaker 2: I mean you could make the case and and and
Speaker 2: I think a strong one.
Speaker 1: When it comes to shark movies, the most memorable scene
Speaker 1: of any shark movie ever made, it might be that
Speaker 1: Samuel Jackson, So I think so. And it's just like,
Speaker 1: and how old is that movie? Thirty year three?
Speaker 2: Okay, so almost twenty five years now, yeah, and we
Speaker 2: still remember it, And like, I don't know, And when
Speaker 2: is the Academy gonna do a tribute to Shark movies
Speaker 2: and have a Shark movie montage because like you know,
Speaker 2: they always say the best action for that last in memoriam,
Speaker 2: that would be the last thing they show and the
Speaker 2: Shark movie montage at the Academy Awards. You know.
Speaker 1: What's what's funny about that movie has a little bit
Speaker 1: of common Os family lore is that my dad makes
Speaker 1: very good scrambled eggs. And how does he make him?
Speaker 1: Does he put milk in them? Yeah? Well okay, so
Speaker 1: you might already know where this is going.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, because I told my wife not to put
Speaker 2: milk in because ll COOLJ said it's a mistake in
Speaker 2: Deep Blue Sea.
Speaker 1: So is he saying just do it, Sam's anything or
Speaker 1: is there because he's like, I don't. I don't matures
Speaker 1: add milk, but this is a mistake. And then the
Speaker 1: scene cuts right and it's like, what's the second half
Speaker 1: of that sentence? Like what should he because my dad
Speaker 1: uses milk and it's delicious.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I I so I stopped adding milk to
Speaker 2: my eggs after my scrambled eggs when I make it,
Speaker 2: I would can now, but I haven't added anything else
Speaker 2: to it.
Speaker 1: And you think it made it better. It's fine.
Speaker 2: It doesn't sound like it's better. It's not worse, Okay,
Speaker 2: I mean, I'll tell you that. The I mean, I'm
Speaker 2: sure there's added fluff and there's added creaminess to it
Speaker 2: a little bit.
Speaker 1: I think that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, i'd agree, but but ever since then, I can't.
Speaker 2: Even even if I believed it tastes better. But this
Speaker 2: is how my adult brain works. Even if it tasted better,
Speaker 2: I'm like, nah, man, LL COOLJ said, don't.
Speaker 1: Add milt eggs. I'm not doing it. He's ll cool J. Yeah,
Speaker 1: for god seeing those stuff. Yeah, but I mean like
Speaker 1: that one, like there's opportunities. This one it just felt
Speaker 1: like so forgettable. Didn't feel like anyone was having fun.
Speaker 1: It didn't feel like anybody wanted to be there. And like,
Speaker 1: I know, we normally wait a little closer to our
Speaker 1: actual ratings, which we're probably pressing up against it, but
Speaker 1: I pulled Rotten Tomatoes up a moment ago, and like,
Speaker 1: are we the idiots? What is it like? Eighty seventy
Speaker 1: three seventy seven? Wow? Yeah, we might people love sharks.
Speaker 1: It's just it's unreal.
Speaker 2: You could add a documentary Sharks Sharks never if you
Speaker 2: asked me, if you were like Ben, I've rigged this
Speaker 2: place to blow, and if you don't come within five
Speaker 2: percentage points of what this is, I would have guessed.
Speaker 1: Twenty eight percent. I wouldn't have guessed that. I would
Speaker 1: have guessed my critics. You wouldn't have said twenty eight percent,
Speaker 1: oh my critics. Uh yeah, I could have seen that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know if I would have gone that low,
Speaker 1: but yeah.
Speaker 2: That would you have been up to sixty eight because
Speaker 2: I would not know, I would have we would have
Speaker 2: both we would have both died.
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's keep explosives away from us for future reference,
Speaker 1: because like, oh boy, this hurts.
Speaker 2: Like do you think that this movie would have been
Speaker 2: better had they would have had those little meetic moments? Yeah,
Speaker 2: you know, one thousand percent.
Speaker 1: I think you had so many characters like to do
Speaker 1: fun things with in a shark movie that wasn't a
Speaker 1: just complete slog Like I think that's what it was.
Speaker 1: Is this movie is just super heavi. It was super
Speaker 1: heavy the entire time. Yeah, and like you're like even
Speaker 1: towards the end when you find him what he scrolled
Speaker 1: the pictures of his family and they're just like, oh
Speaker 1: my god, Like there's this whole side plot in here there.
Speaker 1: But they talked about that, they hint at it, but
Speaker 1: like then they really hit you in the fields on
Speaker 1: the way home, and like, I'll be real with you, man,
Speaker 1: I think there were probably five or six empty seats
Speaker 1: in the theater. And like this is one of those
Speaker 1: ones where the credits start rolling and like it's not
Speaker 1: a black screen, it's like the ship sailing off into
Speaker 1: the sunset. Well, the credits roll. I don't think the
Speaker 1: first name hit the top of the screen. No one's
Speaker 1: butt moved, and I was out the door. I was like, Okay,
Speaker 1: that's enough of this. Yeah, and and I was like,
Speaker 1: this isn't a Marvel movie. You guys aren't getting an
Speaker 1: after credits scene at least I hope not, because I
Speaker 1: was getting the hell out of the one. I mean,
Speaker 1: I shouldn't say that. I assume there was not one.
Speaker 1: I was so over it and on a quick on
Speaker 1: a quick tangent as well, just about my theater experience.
Speaker 1: Shrink Flation has hit the movie theaters, and the large
Speaker 1: popcorn is smaller now for that same price, which is
Speaker 1: so much horse crap. They gave me. It was a
Speaker 1: themed box for It was for different movies like Sheep
Speaker 1: Doctor or something she Detective. Yeah, we could have watch that.
Speaker 2: I heard it's like Knives Out Meets. What were they
Speaker 2: describing Knives Out Meets? I don't know, us acres or something.
Speaker 2: It doesn't matter. Oh, I was sitting there. We could
Speaker 2: have been watching Animal Farm. We could have been watching Hokum.
Speaker 1: I'm sitting there like, yeah, we could have watched anything else,
Speaker 1: and I would I feel like it would have been better.
Speaker 2: Finally, America disagrees with me. But but what is Hokum
Speaker 2: coming at for Rotten Tomatoes. I can let you know here, Yeah,
Speaker 2: look that up. And just I just want to make
Speaker 2: sure we have exhausted all the significant shark movies of
Speaker 2: our lifetime. There's not another shark movie that we would
Speaker 2: want to compare to.
Speaker 1: Oh, open Water. We forgot about open Water technically not
Speaker 1: a shark movie, but I'll allow.
Speaker 2: How is it not a shark Well, I guess it's
Speaker 2: not a shark movie.
Speaker 1: It's just at the very end it ends with sharks.
Speaker 1: But yeah, like there's that one love that, There's that
Speaker 1: one rom com that ends like it's like it was
Speaker 1: actually nine to eleven, Like, that's not a nine to
Speaker 1: eleven movie. What was that? I don't remember what it
Speaker 1: was called, but like you're like, oh, are they going
Speaker 1: to end up together? And it zooms out and like
Speaker 1: he's like looking at the newspaper and it was September eleventh,
Speaker 1: tre Towler and like that was the ending.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's not a nine to eleven movie. Like, oh yeah,
Speaker 2: open Water is not a shark movie. But I also
Speaker 2: would probably give the nod to deep Water.
Speaker 1: I know, I know. Open Water is like like it's
Speaker 1: like a creep factor with you.
Speaker 2: The problem with open Water for me is is well
Speaker 2: number one. I'm surprised that you can even sit through
Speaker 2: it given your.
Speaker 1: It was a lot like what do you call it,
Speaker 1: fesala thilasophobia, gilasophobia. Yeah, because there is a lot of
Speaker 1: like you know, yeah, that's why I was into it.
Speaker 2: The psychological terror to start. I mean it starts halfway
Speaker 2: through the film where you're just sitting out there and
Speaker 2: there and.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, there's just total you have nothing. Not to
Speaker 1: get too dark about it, but I would absolutely choose
Speaker 1: just dying in the plane and crash over what the
Speaker 1: rest of the people on that floor that Like, I
Speaker 1: would be like no, And I mean I'm not a father,
Speaker 1: Like I don't have other lives that I don worry about,
Speaker 1: Like you know what, I don't want to deal with
Speaker 1: whatever's waiting for me at the bottom of those waters.
Speaker 1: So I'd rather I'm probably not gonna survive this.
Speaker 2: And you know, and that's the other thing too, is
Speaker 2: like we were so conditioned in the movies of like
Speaker 2: people getting a happy ending and that's not reality, not always.
Speaker 1: No, absolutely that would have made this better.
Speaker 2: What's that they never if like yeah, like nobody survives. Yeah,
Speaker 2: Like if it were like the movie buried. Oh god, yeah,
Speaker 2: and you like think like they're.
Speaker 1: Coming and you're like, no, we're in a totally different
Speaker 1: part of the ocean than that, and then it's over.
Speaker 1: But they can't do that because that trope has been
Speaker 1: done before. It has it has been But yeah, I
Speaker 1: maintained if you're in the mood for a shark movie,
Speaker 1: I feel like forty seven meters down to Yeah, there
Speaker 1: a lot better, but like specifically forty seven meters, Like
Speaker 1: have you seen it? Have you seen them? I saw
Speaker 1: the first one. I have not seen. You need to
Speaker 1: see this, I know you have. You see the second one?
Speaker 1: You see the second one, and tell me you should
Speaker 1: have watched that for these purpose.
Speaker 2: I feel like I've seen clips of it on YouTube,
Speaker 2: you know, do Justice, but I haven't watched I haven't
Speaker 2: sat down at.
Speaker 1: Ho Combs at eighty eight eighty three, and I have
Speaker 1: a feeling. But I mean, like that doesn't mean anything anymore.
Speaker 1: If deep water with its seventy water, that's broken rotten tomato. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so like nothing is anything anymore, Like I want to read.
Speaker 2: Specific Kamonos has a message for America, What the hell
Speaker 2: is wrong with you?
Speaker 1: Yeah? The human Drama element between the passengers presides just
Speaker 1: enough context to carry this light and predictable but garish
Speaker 1: and bloody. F you you don't forgettable, forget anything new.
Speaker 1: Direct Rennie Harlan is merely spit polishing his same old
Speaker 1: bag of shark tricks. I don't know what you guys,
Speaker 1: here we go. Here's a crappy one. It prefers to
Speaker 1: blood to spend two hours rehashing elements that even newbies
Speaker 1: to shark based cinema will find devoid of any real inspiration. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I want to find someone who loved it. It seems
Speaker 1: like everyone's like, Okay, here's a bee in the end.
Speaker 1: Deep Water feels less like a full plunge into the
Speaker 1: genre and more like a cautious dip. It has moments
Speaker 1: that ripple with tension, which I agree with. There's moments
Speaker 1: where I was like, oh, I even said an hour in,
Speaker 1: I'm like, god, Bulk, he was too horrib on this movie,
Speaker 1: and it just dragged. It has moments to ripple attention,
Speaker 1: but there's space too far apart to fully satisfy. I
Speaker 1: feel like that might just but I still wouldn't give
Speaker 1: it like I'm in like four out of ten range
Speaker 1: on this movie, like B feels high.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel like I was gonna.
Speaker 1: Say four, we can say the same thing. I like
Speaker 1: to be different. Well, I said range. I'm trying.
Speaker 2: I'm trying to trying to like come up with a
Speaker 2: good re Could I give it a four and a
Speaker 2: half for like for me, five is like average, like
Speaker 2: it's right in the middle, and this was below average.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I think I gotta go if you're going
Speaker 2: three and a half, I'll go four. Yeah, if I'm
Speaker 2: going if you're going four, I'll go three. This is
Speaker 2: the worst movie I've reviewed, the worse than the three
Speaker 2: Can two point zero.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was at five there. This is like on
Speaker 1: pace with the what was the one undertone? Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: what was that one undertone? Undertone? Yeah, I don't remember
Speaker 1: what I gave it, But I hated that movie and
Speaker 1: like America, I loved that movie. Yeah, that's just I
Speaker 1: don't understand this country, which that might be what happened
Speaker 1: with Hokum as well, because Hokum gave me undertone vibes
Speaker 1: like that was part of why I was like, I
Speaker 1: don't want to do this and the other thing with Hokum.
Speaker 2: Now, if we were to see that now we know
Speaker 2: what Rotten Tomatoes has and maybe we would not enjoy
Speaker 2: it because of the expectation.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a very good chance, like I will catch
Speaker 1: that one eventually. But I was sitting there and like
Speaker 1: my go to experience with that was I was between
Speaker 1: I think I might have told this before, but it
Speaker 1: was my birthday and we were between Pirates of the
Speaker 1: Caribbee and the original and twenty eight days later, the original,
Speaker 1: which I thought was overrated, and I picked twenty eight
Speaker 1: days later, and like, Pirates ended up being one of
Speaker 1: my favorite films of all time. Like, I can't believe
Speaker 1: I fricking And there's a chance if HOCM turns out
Speaker 1: to be awesome, this will live on an infamy that
Speaker 1: we picked. And I'm not blaming you because I was
Speaker 1: on board with deep Water as well. I was like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: that looked awesome.
Speaker 2: I brought up Hokum because I thought that's it, you know.
Speaker 2: I was like, yeah, you know what, that's fine, we
Speaker 2: can watch Hokumb. But then I didn't realize what a
Speaker 2: shark centophile you are.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's hard to talk me out of one, but
Speaker 1: this one did a good job.
Speaker 2: I wonder if this is gonna like keep me away
Speaker 2: from when the next Shark movie comes out.
Speaker 1: If I'm like, there will be a lingering, there'll be
Speaker 1: a taste in my mouth. Was this better or worse
Speaker 1: than primate? Because I liked primate? I remember, I think
Speaker 1: this was worse than primate. Okay, it was worse than
Speaker 1: that's the right answer.
Speaker 2: Well, because primate was like that that was so original. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you know, and like I mean a pet monkey or whatever,
Speaker 2: gorilla whatever, whatever, it was a primate of sorts. I've
Speaker 2: seen sharks attack humans in the water before. I haven't
Speaker 2: seen a gorilla hanging out guarding a swimming pool ready
Speaker 2: to kill.
Speaker 1: People, which, by the way, p s A. Sharks don't
Speaker 1: do that to humans, Like like do you know this,
Speaker 1: Like after Jaws, we almost hunted sharks to extinction because
Speaker 1: humanity as a whole was like these have got to
Speaker 1: go wow, and like there had to be PSA's like,
Speaker 1: for the record, sharks will absolutely leave you alone, not
Speaker 1: always unless the people, not always, but by and large, uh,
Speaker 1: they are not the predators that the movies make them
Speaker 1: out to be, at least towards humans. Yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: there is there is, and there's a like, yeah, if
Speaker 1: you if you don't know that story, look that up,
Speaker 1: because that's real. We almost haunded them to extinction. There's
Speaker 1: there's all there's all these gee set work at my work.
Speaker 1: Now we deal with that here. And you know he had.
Speaker 2: All these goslings hatch recently. Yea, so now they're super
Speaker 2: protective of their young. Sure, I get anywhere close to him,
Speaker 2: their tongues stick out and they start hissing at me.
Speaker 1: You know, I've been charged by a goose before I
Speaker 1: fell in the mud. It sucked. Yeah, I've been there.
Speaker 2: And then I got charged by another one the other day.
Speaker 2: And I brought up at work with the commission, one
Speaker 2: of the guys I work with. I'm like, what am
Speaker 2: I supposed to do? I mean, are these things?
Speaker 1: Can they kill me? You can? Can they kill me?
Speaker 1: But can they hurt attack? Yeah?
Speaker 2: And he's like, well, technically their beaks are like strong
Speaker 2: enough because they'll bite into you and then they'll tear. Sure,
Speaker 2: but as long as you like make yourself big and loud,
Speaker 2: they're gonna run away.
Speaker 1: And I'm like, I didn't know that.
Speaker 2: I was just trying to sneak by and he's like, no,
Speaker 2: that's the worst thing you can do. Oh yeah, their
Speaker 2: Spidey sense or their Geese sense goes up.
Speaker 1: Oh dude. I told this story because we had like
Speaker 1: a bear warning. Like a bear was like in downtown
Speaker 1: Appleton or something while not that long, I don't know
Speaker 1: if it was Appleton, it might have been some I
Speaker 1: don't remember where specifically, but like in my elementary school. Now,
Speaker 1: I'm a city kid, so like we're not necessarily the
Speaker 1: most nature savvy, but we were taught if you're in
Speaker 1: a if you're in a bear situation, that bears can't
Speaker 1: run downhill, and then if you run downhill, it will
Speaker 1: follow you and it will stumble over itself and that's
Speaker 1: how you get away. Complete bullshit, like none of that
Speaker 1: is real, and bears can absolutely run down hill. It
Speaker 1: will maul you. Yeah, And like I'm sitting there and
Speaker 1: I'm like, why would they tell us that. Aren't you
Speaker 1: supposed to pretend you're dead? Isn't that what it's like?
Speaker 1: If it's brown lays down, and if it's black fight
Speaker 1: back or something to that effect.
Speaker 2: I might have mixed it up, so don't quote me
Speaker 2: with that out I was watching the Outdoor Channel the
Speaker 2: other day. I love Meat Eater with Steven Ronella where
Speaker 2: he goes hunting, and then the last segment is him
Speaker 2: like cooking up and preparing a meal out of whatever
Speaker 2: he harvests.
Speaker 1: Or I love that stuff.
Speaker 2: They harvested a moose and they and they had to
Speaker 2: hang because they were way out from their camp. They
Speaker 2: had to hang their meat fifteen feet in the in
Speaker 2: the tree, so the bears couldn't get it. I thought
Speaker 2: bears can climb trees. Everybody thinks that they can't. And
Speaker 2: he he said, I think it was he said, grizzly
Speaker 2: bears can't climb trees, but brown bears can't or reverse.
Speaker 2: I can't remember which. So I didn't know that either.
Speaker 2: So like that that certain bears can climb.
Speaker 1: Assume they all could. That was that was my offer.
Speaker 1: I think that's the I can't listen.
Speaker 2: I'm not If I'm out in the wilderness and I
Speaker 2: see a bear, I'm gonna be peeing myself, not gonna
Speaker 2: be like, is that a brown bear or a grizzly?
Speaker 1: You know what I mean? So I won't even know,
Speaker 1: So I'll just assume they all can climb. I know
Speaker 1: cocaine bear can climb trees. Yeah, Well, I saw that one.
Speaker 1: He had some motivation in his system. Yeah, like coyotes,
Speaker 1: you just got to act big. We can give you
Speaker 1: guys some nature tips here.
Speaker 2: I told you, I told did I tell you? When
Speaker 2: I was listening to the former morning show on the
Speaker 2: Score when they were talking about what the Cocaine Bear
Speaker 2: sequel would be like with picking a drug and then
Speaker 2: what about meth Shark.
Speaker 1: Which if that comes out, we'll get that a way
Speaker 1: for this that salt octopus. Sign me up. There was
Speaker 1: a dude meth shark. That is what we need to
Speaker 1: recover from this movie. A real life story. A guy
Speaker 1: was feeding meth to a squirrel, a pet squirrel, and
Speaker 1: he was training it to attack people on his behalf.
Speaker 1: And that's real. How do you train somebody on it?
Speaker 1: Who is happening in Alabama? You tell me? I'm sure
Speaker 1: it wasn't Florida. This is Florida, Florida. It's that American
Speaker 1: South that we love so much. I think we're about that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's put a pin in this so next week
Speaker 2: we will not be It will be the the standalone
Speaker 2: entry into the Marvel Cinematic Universe television which is going
Speaker 2: to be the punisher I believe it's just over an
Speaker 2: hour long, So it's more of like a special sort
Speaker 2: of what they did with that monster thing that I
Speaker 2: can't remember it was called a couple of years ago,
Speaker 2: but we.
Speaker 1: Will be reviewing that.
Speaker 2: Uh, and I'm sure this could be one of those
Speaker 2: rare This could be rare Ben where our podcast might
Speaker 2: be longer than the actual will work it.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah it could. Yeah, we'll see it. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: that'll be next week. Uh, this is this week, deep water,
Speaker 1: don't see it uncau forty seven meters down to on cage.
Speaker 1: That's where you should be. That's what you should be
Speaker 1: taking out of this. Thanks for listening, guys. We'll talk
Speaker 1: to you next week.