WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.120 --> 00:00:04.040 Not great. Yeah, okay, I think yours are better than mine? 2 00:00:04.839 --> 00:00:08.000 Can you hear? Yeah? Yeah, I'm good. Okay, I'm good. Yeah. 3 00:00:08.039 --> 00:00:09.759 These are the ones I just use at my desk. 4 00:00:09.800 --> 00:00:12.279 I just bring them in here. You take the ones. Yeah, 5 00:00:12.640 --> 00:00:15.400 and these aren't mine mine, like they're still the stations. No, 6 00:00:15.439 --> 00:00:18.280 but it's the one that you use mostly. Yeah, you 7 00:00:18.280 --> 00:00:20.839 would think four years into the career, i'd get my 8 00:00:21.079 --> 00:00:23.079 like a real set of head but like, nah, I'll 9 00:00:23.120 --> 00:00:25.920 just use whatever's available. Yeah, that's that's how I kind 10 00:00:25.920 --> 00:00:33.280 of AM's whatever. But nevertheless, all right, uh bulky. You know, 11 00:00:33.880 --> 00:00:36.960 the further we get into this, I find myself asking 12 00:00:37.000 --> 00:00:39.600 this question because streaming movies, while I don't think they've 13 00:00:39.640 --> 00:00:43.039 hit the level of cinematic movies, are definitely competing better 14 00:00:43.079 --> 00:00:45.840 than they used to. Yeah, for sure, I had one 15 00:00:45.840 --> 00:00:48.719 of those feelings yesterday. And tell me if I'm off 16 00:00:48.759 --> 00:00:52.039 base with this. I found myself watching deep Water and 17 00:00:52.119 --> 00:00:56.759 I was asking myself, why didn't this goes straight to Netflix? 18 00:00:56.840 --> 00:00:59.359 I didn't even think of that. Yeah, Like I I 19 00:00:59.640 --> 00:01:03.920 genuine liam interested. Who okayed this for a theatrical release? 20 00:01:04.079 --> 00:01:06.480 Is this supposed to be a write off? Is this 21 00:01:06.560 --> 00:01:09.359 a favor to somebody, how did we end up here? 22 00:01:09.560 --> 00:01:13.280 There's a couple of A list actors with mostly forgettable cast, 23 00:01:13.719 --> 00:01:16.560 very forgettable plot. I watched this movie less than twenty 24 00:01:16.560 --> 00:01:19.519 four hours ago and it's already fading from memory and 25 00:01:19.599 --> 00:01:23.040 it has straight to Apple TV written all over it, 26 00:01:23.200 --> 00:01:25.560 Straight to Amazon fill in the blank here. Do you 27 00:01:25.599 --> 00:01:30.000 ever wonder what goes into behind the scenes negotiations to 28 00:01:30.079 --> 00:01:32.760 how we end up in these kind of moments? 29 00:01:32.840 --> 00:01:36.159 It almost seems like it started off as a theater movie, 30 00:01:36.319 --> 00:01:39.239 like a like that was what it was gonna be, 31 00:01:39.280 --> 00:01:43.120 That's what it was always gonna be, and then it's 32 00:01:43.120 --> 00:01:45.159 one of those things once it gets done, we're looking 33 00:01:45.200 --> 00:01:47.680 at like, so why do we go to the theater 34 00:01:47.799 --> 00:01:48.319 for this one? 35 00:01:48.439 --> 00:01:48.760 Again? 36 00:01:48.799 --> 00:01:53.359 Like this this could easily been on real the and 37 00:01:53.400 --> 00:01:55.519 obviously once it is that, then it is that. I 38 00:01:55.560 --> 00:01:57.640 don't I mean, does that happen? I don't know behind 39 00:01:57.640 --> 00:01:59.959 the scenes stuff, but does that happen when something spoke 40 00:02:00.079 --> 00:02:01.760 to be in theaters and they're like, now we're gonna 41 00:02:01.760 --> 00:02:02.519 put it on streaming? 42 00:02:02.640 --> 00:02:05.599 I bet, Like I don't have a specific example, and I. 43 00:02:05.599 --> 00:02:07.799 Can't imagine it goes the opposite way where it's like, oh, 44 00:02:08.039 --> 00:02:08.680 this is gonna be streaming. 45 00:02:08.680 --> 00:02:10.479 Oh, we're gonna put This is so much better than 46 00:02:10.520 --> 00:02:13.039 I thought it would be, exactly because there's extra costs 47 00:02:13.039 --> 00:02:15.400 that go into marketing it and getting it to theaters 48 00:02:15.439 --> 00:02:17.840 to begin with, and I understand all of that, but 49 00:02:18.000 --> 00:02:21.240 this one it felt so pointless. And I'm gonna be 50 00:02:21.280 --> 00:02:24.560 real again. The movie's deep water. Aaron that cart Ben Kingsley, 51 00:02:24.599 --> 00:02:25.840 and a handful of no names. 52 00:02:26.560 --> 00:02:29.400 The last thing I remember Aaron that Carton, yeah, was 53 00:02:30.280 --> 00:02:32.759 Dark Knight. I'm sure he's done stuff since then. Yeah, 54 00:02:32.840 --> 00:02:33.240 I don't know. 55 00:02:33.759 --> 00:02:37.360 He was the president. I want to say Olympus has Fallen. Yeah, 56 00:02:37.360 --> 00:02:39.240 but that that was that after Dark Knight. 57 00:02:39.319 --> 00:02:44.800 Yeah, but he was also in all that Midway. 58 00:02:44.400 --> 00:02:48.960 Movie, wasn't he? Maybe I didn't see that way it was. 59 00:02:49.240 --> 00:02:50.280 It was a great movie. 60 00:02:50.199 --> 00:02:53.520 Yeah, great cast, great great story, was fantastic, and I 61 00:02:53.599 --> 00:02:55.280 think it was pretty close to reality to. 62 00:02:55.439 --> 00:02:58.479 I even go further into the past though with that card. 63 00:02:58.520 --> 00:03:00.719 My favorite well, I mean okay, Dark Knight's one of 64 00:03:00.800 --> 00:03:04.199 my favorite movies all time, but very underrated. Gem I 65 00:03:04.199 --> 00:03:07.080 should say then is Thank You for Smoking Yeap, where 66 00:03:07.080 --> 00:03:09.719 he plays the tobacco lobbyist. And that was when I 67 00:03:09.759 --> 00:03:11.840 found him as an actor and enjoyed him in that. 68 00:03:12.080 --> 00:03:14.360 I find that he plays the same character and everything 69 00:03:14.400 --> 00:03:17.240 he's in on the type casting. But I did enjoy 70 00:03:17.319 --> 00:03:19.520 him in that film because you know, it was still new. 71 00:03:19.560 --> 00:03:20.199 At that point. 72 00:03:20.439 --> 00:03:24.840 He was Miami Shark's offensive coordinator Nick Krozer. Yeah, Oliver 73 00:03:24.960 --> 00:03:28.039 Stone's any given Sunday, absolutely, which he didn't really. I mean, 74 00:03:28.240 --> 00:03:30.199 it's hard, it's hard to stand out in that cast 75 00:03:30.199 --> 00:03:31.120 because it was awesome. 76 00:03:31.240 --> 00:03:36.000 That's my favorite sports movie somebody. I was on another. 77 00:03:35.159 --> 00:03:37.719 Podcast on Monday night and one of the last questions 78 00:03:37.719 --> 00:03:40.479 they asked me was what's your favorite sports movie? And 79 00:03:40.479 --> 00:03:42.039 then this is a guy that's been doing this for 80 00:03:42.080 --> 00:03:43.520 a while and he's like, we've never had the same 81 00:03:43.520 --> 00:03:45.319 answer twice, So now the pressure's on me. 82 00:03:45.360 --> 00:03:47.639 I So I'm like trying to think, like. 83 00:03:47.840 --> 00:03:50.800 Remember the Titans, Friday Night Lights, Caddy Shack, you know 84 00:03:50.840 --> 00:03:51.280 all these. 85 00:03:51.479 --> 00:03:52.639 And you know what I settled on. 86 00:03:53.039 --> 00:03:56.199 You're never gonna guess it semi pro with Will Ferroll. 87 00:03:56.280 --> 00:03:59.159 Oh nice, No, it's nothing wrong with that one, That's 88 00:03:59.159 --> 00:03:59.719 what I mean. 89 00:04:00.000 --> 00:04:01.400 Don't know if it's my favorite, but I wanted to 90 00:04:01.439 --> 00:04:03.599 make sure I was different, and it was. 91 00:04:04.520 --> 00:04:05.039 It was new. 92 00:04:05.199 --> 00:04:07.560 Nobody had said that, Yeah, but which I knew nobody 93 00:04:07.599 --> 00:04:09.280 was going to say, who say semi pros their favorite? 94 00:04:09.360 --> 00:04:11.639 Yeah, not a single person except for me. Yeah, and 95 00:04:11.680 --> 00:04:12.840 I don't even know if I believe it. 96 00:04:12.919 --> 00:04:15.520 But yeah, any given Sunday is that is a fantastic 97 00:04:15.520 --> 00:04:16.120 sports movie. 98 00:04:16.199 --> 00:04:19.079 Yeah, anytime when the NFL disowns it and says nothing 99 00:04:19.120 --> 00:04:20.800 could be further from the truth, I'm like, oh, I 100 00:04:20.839 --> 00:04:22.839 bet you that's right up against the trip. I will 101 00:04:22.839 --> 00:04:23.160 say this. 102 00:04:23.199 --> 00:04:25.279 Do you remember this is like way back in the day, 103 00:04:25.519 --> 00:04:30.319 ESPN had this scripted drama called Playmakers. Yeah, and and 104 00:04:30.360 --> 00:04:33.319 the NFL was like, no, this is yes off the air. 105 00:04:33.759 --> 00:04:34.920 I didn't think it was all that good. 106 00:04:35.800 --> 00:04:38.240 Yeah. I didn't really care for it all that much. See, 107 00:04:38.279 --> 00:04:40.000 I think it was hitting a little too close to home. 108 00:04:40.079 --> 00:04:42.519 I thought it was kind of hokey, Like yeah, I 109 00:04:42.560 --> 00:04:46.360 mean like, uh, you know, the whole gay wide receiver thing. 110 00:04:46.639 --> 00:04:49.040 Then I'm trying to think what other weird. It wasn't 111 00:04:49.079 --> 00:04:51.600 as redundant as it is today though, Like then it 112 00:04:51.639 --> 00:04:52.480 was like what. 113 00:04:52.519 --> 00:04:55.360 Well, maybe a little bit yeah maybe maybe back then 114 00:04:55.439 --> 00:04:57.040 it was it was a little ahead of its time. 115 00:04:57.160 --> 00:04:59.319 And maybe yeah, I mean think maybe if people watch 116 00:04:59.319 --> 00:05:01.319 it now would be like, oh, this is hokey garbage. 117 00:05:01.360 --> 00:05:04.360 Yeah yeah, I think that that is probably accurate. I 118 00:05:04.399 --> 00:05:08.240 still have a younger image of it in my mind, right, yeah. Yeah. 119 00:05:08.519 --> 00:05:10.639 The other thing to bring it back to deep water 120 00:05:10.720 --> 00:05:12.800 Ben King's the last thing I remember him ment was 121 00:05:12.879 --> 00:05:17.800 wonder Man. Yep, you know, so like both superhero esque things. 122 00:05:18.120 --> 00:05:19.680 So I wonder if this is just like, hey, we 123 00:05:19.720 --> 00:05:21.800 gotta get yeah, we gotta get back out there and 124 00:05:21.839 --> 00:05:24.839 do some serious and I thought serious movies. 125 00:05:24.920 --> 00:05:26.920 I thought they did well with it and hot take, 126 00:05:27.000 --> 00:05:29.240 and then I promise I'll stay away from his career 127 00:05:29.279 --> 00:05:31.480 for the rest of this podcast. I thought he was 128 00:05:31.480 --> 00:05:33.480 a terrible two face, Like I thought he was very 129 00:05:33.519 --> 00:05:35.879 miscast as two Face. I don't think he portrayed what 130 00:05:35.920 --> 00:05:37.120 the character is supposed to be. 131 00:05:37.240 --> 00:05:41.759 The line when he's laying in bed and he's talking 132 00:05:41.839 --> 00:05:46.639 to was he talking to Commissioner Gordon. 133 00:05:47.399 --> 00:05:49.480 After he's been set on five? Okay? 134 00:05:49.959 --> 00:05:54.040 And uh no, maybe he's talking a joker. I can't remember, 135 00:05:54.360 --> 00:05:56.759 but I remember when you say it, when he says 136 00:05:56.800 --> 00:05:59.560 the line Rachel, when he yells out Rachel, Yeah, that's 137 00:05:59.680 --> 00:06:04.560 the Yeah, Well, okay, what I mean, was that believable 138 00:06:04.600 --> 00:06:05.680 at all see just. 139 00:06:05.720 --> 00:06:08.120 And you're hitting on something there. For me, the scene 140 00:06:08.160 --> 00:06:10.720 that does it is when he's flipping the coin before 141 00:06:10.759 --> 00:06:14.000 he transforms, and he has one of the jokers henchmen 142 00:06:14.079 --> 00:06:16.160 who was dressed up as a soldier at the parade 143 00:06:16.160 --> 00:06:20.959 who had Rachel Dawes's name to David, who was also 144 00:06:21.000 --> 00:06:24.000 an ant man. Yes, anyway, but he's flipping the coin 145 00:06:24.079 --> 00:06:26.519 over and over again like I wouldn't and like the 146 00:06:26.560 --> 00:06:30.079 actual interpretation of two faces that he always had the 147 00:06:30.160 --> 00:06:33.000 evil half in him, and like to portray it as 148 00:06:33.079 --> 00:06:36.360 him getting set on fire released the evil half kind 149 00:06:36.399 --> 00:06:38.839 of makes it lat you like it's always supposed to be. 150 00:06:38.959 --> 00:06:41.839 He was always two sides of the coin, but his 151 00:06:42.040 --> 00:06:44.800 acting was so questionable the way he would just scream 152 00:06:44.839 --> 00:06:46.839 and anger and stuff. You're like, you really just sound 153 00:06:46.879 --> 00:06:51.720 like a lunatic and not someone that has this uncontrollable 154 00:06:51.839 --> 00:06:53.199 rage bubbling in him. 155 00:06:53.279 --> 00:06:54.920 Not that I want to turn this into the Dark 156 00:06:54.959 --> 00:06:58.879 Knight episode, but isn't there something to the fact that, like, 157 00:06:58.959 --> 00:07:01.000 we the audience have to believe that he is the 158 00:07:01.399 --> 00:07:04.079 Gotham's White Knight, Yeah right, and they have to portray that. 159 00:07:04.519 --> 00:07:06.879 So shouldn't he be a little bit awkward in that 160 00:07:06.959 --> 00:07:10.839 scenarios as a quasi bad guy, like because he doesn't 161 00:07:10.839 --> 00:07:13.519 do that, you know what I mean, you know where 162 00:07:13.560 --> 00:07:15.560 it's it's it has to come off a little bit 163 00:07:15.680 --> 00:07:18.600 not believable because he's never he's not supposed to be 164 00:07:18.639 --> 00:07:20.040 in it, because he's such a good guy. 165 00:07:20.160 --> 00:07:22.639 And I don't know, I'm just say we could just 166 00:07:22.720 --> 00:07:24.720 this movie sucks so much that I could just do 167 00:07:25.240 --> 00:07:28.279 the entire time it did suck. It sucked, man, and like, 168 00:07:28.319 --> 00:07:30.680 here's what sucks about that? And I'm not even afraid, 169 00:07:30.720 --> 00:07:32.319 Like I will watch it with my son. By the way, 170 00:07:32.319 --> 00:07:34.120 he said it was good. Yeah, I'm sure. I think 171 00:07:34.120 --> 00:07:36.759 I would have loved it in a in a different environment. 172 00:07:36.839 --> 00:07:39.600 I'll even tell you this because you put the seed 173 00:07:39.680 --> 00:07:42.720 in my head which lowered my expectations in about an 174 00:07:42.720 --> 00:07:45.680 hour in I was like, ah, you know, this isn't terrible. 175 00:07:46.000 --> 00:07:48.040 And the way it wrapped up, I was like, I 176 00:07:48.040 --> 00:07:51.639 don't know why anything? Why did we do this? Why 177 00:07:51.720 --> 00:07:54.199 or why am I here right now? Why is why 178 00:07:54.279 --> 00:07:59.560 is anything? What's the theme of this movie? So like, 179 00:07:59.639 --> 00:08:01.600 if you if you want my honest guess, because it 180 00:08:01.600 --> 00:08:03.959 barely is even a part of the plots, But if 181 00:08:04.000 --> 00:08:07.160 I had to guess the deep water is a metaphor 182 00:08:07.360 --> 00:08:10.120 for the dude's life, you know, sick kid trying to 183 00:08:10.120 --> 00:08:13.399 make ends meet, is behind career wise where he should be, 184 00:08:13.680 --> 00:08:15.800 and being stuck adrift in the ocean is kind of 185 00:08:15.800 --> 00:08:19.079 a metaphor for where he was professionally in life. That 186 00:08:19.279 --> 00:08:21.920 was kind of at least my inter family. 187 00:08:23.000 --> 00:08:25.240 Yeah, now, did you also think it's ironic? And I 188 00:08:25.319 --> 00:08:26.839 don't think this is a spoiler, so I'm going to 189 00:08:26.920 --> 00:08:32.039 say it. They weren't necessarily in deep water, no, yeah, 190 00:08:32.559 --> 00:08:36.240 I mean where this plane crashed, there was a coral 191 00:08:36.240 --> 00:08:39.360 reef right there, and and it was problematic actually that 192 00:08:39.399 --> 00:08:40.720 they weren't in deep enough water. 193 00:08:40.879 --> 00:08:43.200 Yeah, when it came to right So that was irritating. 194 00:08:43.240 --> 00:08:45.440 When they landed the plane. Even in my inner monologue, 195 00:08:45.440 --> 00:08:47.720 I was like, oh, Ben Kingsley like a pro, We're 196 00:08:47.720 --> 00:08:50.279 not even worried. And then you know, the wheels came off. 197 00:08:50.320 --> 00:08:51.960 I was like, oh, no, never mind, a lot of 198 00:08:52.000 --> 00:08:55.759 you are done. I still see Trevor Slattery. Yeah. Now, 199 00:08:55.799 --> 00:08:58.360 when I watched Ben Kingsley, he even had a few 200 00:08:58.399 --> 00:09:01.600 Trevor Slattery moments, didn't they without he probably filmed him 201 00:09:01.600 --> 00:09:04.039 at the same time, you know what he probably did. Actually, 202 00:09:04.200 --> 00:09:07.720 but if they this movie isn't important enough to enter 203 00:09:07.799 --> 00:09:11.120 the cultural zeitgeist. But I found myself and again I'm 204 00:09:11.120 --> 00:09:13.399 not gonna say there's nothing major to spoil, but I 205 00:09:13.440 --> 00:09:16.240 am gonna hit like, obviously there's a plane crash. I 206 00:09:16.240 --> 00:09:18.480 think that's in the trailer. You're not spoiling anything. The 207 00:09:18.519 --> 00:09:21.879 way they portrayed it a it looked way more realistic 208 00:09:21.919 --> 00:09:24.440 than it had any business looking in this movie. I 209 00:09:24.440 --> 00:09:28.679 think they did a very plane crash. But but if 210 00:09:28.720 --> 00:09:31.480 this would get if this were a more important movie, 211 00:09:31.799 --> 00:09:34.519 then it would be spoofed by like a scary movie 212 00:09:34.679 --> 00:09:36.919 or a naked gun or something like that. I could 213 00:09:36.919 --> 00:09:39.600 see them redoing the plane crashing and showing like a 214 00:09:39.720 --> 00:09:42.120 thousand people getting hit in the head with luggage, because 215 00:09:42.159 --> 00:09:44.759 it showed so many people getting whacked in the head 216 00:09:44.759 --> 00:09:49.600 with stuff, just one after just like it was in 217 00:09:49.679 --> 00:09:52.279 such quick secession. I'm like, if this were like, I 218 00:09:52.320 --> 00:09:55.559 can't believe this isn't a parody because they're doing it 219 00:09:55.679 --> 00:09:58.240 so much. I was like, if this were a better movie, 220 00:09:58.320 --> 00:10:01.200 it would have been parodied in that way because it 221 00:10:01.320 --> 00:10:03.679 was Did you notice it when it was happening? Because 222 00:10:03.720 --> 00:10:05.200 I noticed it. I was like, man, a lot of 223 00:10:05.200 --> 00:10:07.039 people are getting hit with luggage, and I'm sure that 224 00:10:07.120 --> 00:10:09.480 might happen, like maybe they asked someone in a plane 225 00:10:09.559 --> 00:10:11.960 crash like hey, what was it? Like, You're like, oh, 226 00:10:12.000 --> 00:10:14.399 you wouldn't believe it. But the luggage is flying everywhere. 227 00:10:14.399 --> 00:10:16.799 And that's the most dangerous part because I've never seen most. 228 00:10:16.679 --> 00:10:18.639 People who are in a plane crash like that don't 229 00:10:18.679 --> 00:10:19.639 survive to tell about. 230 00:10:19.759 --> 00:10:21.480 Well, yeah, I mean you find someone that did, unless 231 00:10:21.480 --> 00:10:23.919 your Brad pitting World War Z. Yeah, exactly, Like we 232 00:10:24.679 --> 00:10:29.960 had that reference. It's a reference. So there was that, and. 233 00:10:29.879 --> 00:10:34.360 I I'm not I remind me. I'm going to bring 234 00:10:34.399 --> 00:10:36.960 this up before we sign off. I want to talk 235 00:10:37.000 --> 00:10:41.320 about the ending and sort of how things get resolved. Yeah, 236 00:10:41.440 --> 00:10:43.799 and how there some people are taken out of this 237 00:10:43.879 --> 00:10:48.159 situation because there's something that It's something my son caught 238 00:10:48.320 --> 00:10:50.279 and I didn't even think about till after. 239 00:10:50.320 --> 00:10:53.879 I'm like, wait a minute, you're right anyway, Okay, okay, 240 00:10:53.919 --> 00:10:57.600 So the thing I. 241 00:10:57.639 --> 00:11:01.759 Noticed right away is damn the character Dan played by 242 00:11:01.879 --> 00:11:03.320 I believe his name is Angus Simpson. 243 00:11:03.360 --> 00:11:04.600 This is the guy Max. 244 00:11:04.720 --> 00:11:09.519 Yeah, right away, you hate this guy right away, you know, 245 00:11:09.600 --> 00:11:12.679 he's not a likable character, okay, And I felt like 246 00:11:12.720 --> 00:11:15.519 I was watching a version and I know I referenced 247 00:11:15.519 --> 00:11:17.559 this last week or two weeks ago. I felt like 248 00:11:17.600 --> 00:11:20.000 I was watching a version of the twenty one Jump 249 00:11:20.000 --> 00:11:23.600 street car chase scenes where I kept waiting for this 250 00:11:23.639 --> 00:11:25.919 guy to get it because you know, you point point 251 00:11:25.960 --> 00:11:28.799 this stuff out to me like, Okay, this guy's gonna die, 252 00:11:29.200 --> 00:11:31.879 like and I kept waiting, and there is all these like, 253 00:11:32.320 --> 00:11:36.559 you know, false alarms with this guy, and I'm like, 254 00:11:37.080 --> 00:11:41.159 how much more does this guy have to be doing 255 00:11:41.320 --> 00:11:44.759 to become even more unlikable before they finally bump him off. 256 00:11:45.159 --> 00:11:47.759 It was that irritated the heck on me. And by 257 00:11:47.759 --> 00:11:50.240 the way, if you look on the wiki of this film, 258 00:11:50.279 --> 00:11:53.919 which I did afterwards, obviously, it says starring and there's three. 259 00:11:53.759 --> 00:11:56.080 Actors and it's he's. 260 00:11:55.399 --> 00:11:58.080 The third one behind. Yeah, so he must be like 261 00:11:58.519 --> 00:12:01.080 I'm sure I've seen him another stuff. He reminded me 262 00:12:01.320 --> 00:12:05.200 of Dan Fogler, who was in The Goldbergs, who was 263 00:12:05.240 --> 00:12:07.720 in The Walking Dead. He was in Balls of Fury 264 00:12:07.759 --> 00:12:09.679 to remember Balls and Fury. Oh, he was the main 265 00:12:09.720 --> 00:12:11.519 guy in there. He kind of I thought it was 266 00:12:11.600 --> 00:12:14.320 him at first. I was like, is that Dan Foge 267 00:12:14.360 --> 00:12:14.919 It wasn't. 268 00:12:15.639 --> 00:12:18.799 I was getting Paul Giamanni vibes off the vibe or 269 00:12:18.919 --> 00:12:22.279 man's Paul Giamoni. Yeah, that I was getting off him, 270 00:12:22.320 --> 00:12:25.759 and I thought he bit it unceremoniously, and like, I 271 00:12:25.799 --> 00:12:28.399 think that was a major problem. At one point towards 272 00:12:28.399 --> 00:12:31.159 the end, a woman gets scooped off of the raft 273 00:12:31.200 --> 00:12:33.559 by a shark and I don't even know who it was. 274 00:12:33.879 --> 00:12:36.399 It happens fast, they barely draw attention to it, and 275 00:12:36.440 --> 00:12:39.080 everybody moves on by the time that it happens. And 276 00:12:39.159 --> 00:12:41.440 I'm not saying like, and I think we've talked about 277 00:12:41.440 --> 00:12:44.759 this before, but probably my favorite like creature feature is 278 00:12:45.240 --> 00:12:49.039 Kongs Skull Island, and that movie has like over twenty characters, 279 00:12:49.200 --> 00:12:51.759 and like you sit there and every time someone dies, 280 00:12:51.759 --> 00:12:54.200 you're like, oh, son of a bitch, like I wanted 281 00:12:54.279 --> 00:12:56.159 him to get back to his kids or whatever the 282 00:12:56.200 --> 00:12:59.399 situation is. Whereas here a lot of people die in 283 00:12:59.519 --> 00:13:03.679 unsarahrmonious ways. Like at one point there's like a couple 284 00:13:03.720 --> 00:13:06.559 of different groups and there's a flight attendant with a 285 00:13:06.600 --> 00:13:10.080 young boy and two other characters and there's like a early. 286 00:13:10.120 --> 00:13:12.919 It was essentially three groups. Yeah, the plane broke into 287 00:13:12.919 --> 00:13:15.960 three sections. There's people in three different sections of the plane. 288 00:13:15.840 --> 00:13:18.600 Right, and like for that group to get away, the 289 00:13:18.679 --> 00:13:21.559 early twenty something guy kind of swims away and you 290 00:13:21.600 --> 00:13:23.200 find out that he didn't make it in like a 291 00:13:23.320 --> 00:13:26.240 very unceremonious way, like it doesn't draw. I was like, wait, 292 00:13:26.399 --> 00:13:28.159 was that that guy? Or who did we just see 293 00:13:28.240 --> 00:13:28.559 right now? 294 00:13:28.600 --> 00:13:31.120 Well that I think the reason for that is because 295 00:13:31.399 --> 00:13:35.000 when he swims and there's the encounter with some other 296 00:13:35.080 --> 00:13:37.200 characters exactly, and. 297 00:13:36.919 --> 00:13:37.879 And his his. 298 00:13:40.840 --> 00:13:43.320 Resolution in that scene is left nebulous and you don't know. 299 00:13:43.360 --> 00:13:44.399 I think that's on purpose. 300 00:13:44.600 --> 00:13:47.159 Yes, I agree, I just don't think it was done 301 00:13:47.279 --> 00:13:49.679 well because I found myself as a viewer who was 302 00:13:49.720 --> 00:13:52.399 paying attention being like, wait, was that that guy? Or 303 00:13:52.440 --> 00:13:52.759 is that so? 304 00:13:54.200 --> 00:13:54.360 No? 305 00:13:54.440 --> 00:13:55.279 I did the. 306 00:13:55.200 --> 00:13:58.639 Flannel is what I'm like, Oh, that's the flannel guy, 307 00:13:58.799 --> 00:13:59.919 which I think his name is Matters. 308 00:14:00.440 --> 00:14:02.279 As I've expressed to you and for the record, because 309 00:14:02.279 --> 00:14:04.440 I haven't said this on this podcast, I love shark 310 00:14:04.519 --> 00:14:08.360 movies like The Deep Plato scares me. Like water no, 311 00:14:08.480 --> 00:14:12.399 like like The Wonders of the Sea is a terrifying process. 312 00:14:12.480 --> 00:14:15.840 There's a name for that. I'm sure about fear of 313 00:14:16.320 --> 00:14:20.080 access lassophobia, I believe. Yeah, that sounds right. Like I'll 314 00:14:20.080 --> 00:14:21.879 be honest with you, if you hooked me up to 315 00:14:21.919 --> 00:14:24.559 an EKG. When I was playing video games and the 316 00:14:24.679 --> 00:14:28.200 character gets submerged underwater, you would watch my heart like 317 00:14:28.240 --> 00:14:30.480 it's not an act. People like, dude, you're in your thirties. 318 00:14:30.759 --> 00:14:32.919 Play the game where the guy goes underwater. I'm like, dude, 319 00:14:32.960 --> 00:14:37.240 you don't understand. I can't it actually like psykes me out. 320 00:14:37.360 --> 00:14:41.399 I mean, I'm the same way with heights and this 321 00:14:41.440 --> 00:14:43.960 is gonna this is me tm I. So anybody who 322 00:14:44.000 --> 00:14:46.639 wants to not hear this, tune out for about sixty seconds. 323 00:14:46.759 --> 00:14:50.240 Huh. You know that movie Fall? Oh? 324 00:14:50.240 --> 00:14:51.960 And then I was watching because I knew I wasn't 325 00:14:51.960 --> 00:14:54.600 gonna watch Apex Charlie's Thearren and Taron Edgerton. 326 00:14:55.720 --> 00:14:58.480 I might check that out. That just went on Netflix, right, Yeah. 327 00:14:58.279 --> 00:15:01.159 I knew I wasn't gonna watch it because that's it 328 00:15:01.159 --> 00:15:05.000 does nothing. There's a big climax scene where they're high 329 00:15:05.120 --> 00:15:09.720 up at the Apex and the same feeling I get 330 00:15:09.759 --> 00:15:13.120 to hurry up and say this, the same feeling I get, 331 00:15:13.399 --> 00:15:15.120 but watching that was what I got when I was 332 00:15:15.159 --> 00:15:19.080 watching fall, it's this tingling and my scrotum. Yeah, and 333 00:15:19.480 --> 00:15:21.399 I just it's a it's like kind of like you 334 00:15:21.440 --> 00:15:23.720 got punched in the stomach. But and it's but it's 335 00:15:23.759 --> 00:15:26.159 not as bad, but it's worse, you know what I mean. 336 00:15:26.200 --> 00:15:28.320 And I'm watching it and it's just so uncomfortable, Like 337 00:15:28.480 --> 00:15:30.480 why am I putting myself right? 338 00:15:30.960 --> 00:15:33.480 So, but so I say that to say, when you 339 00:15:33.559 --> 00:15:35.879 find a body in the ocean when they're all swimming 340 00:15:35.919 --> 00:15:37.960 and they're like, oh, didn't you recognize them, I'm like, dude, 341 00:15:37.960 --> 00:15:39.879 I was just hanging on for dear life in that city. 342 00:15:39.919 --> 00:15:42.720 I get it. Like I'm just like they even have 343 00:15:43.000 --> 00:15:47.720 a little mini squid moment at one point, just like. 344 00:15:46.600 --> 00:15:51.279 That was No, I totally get it. The other thing 345 00:15:51.320 --> 00:15:55.919 I was going to say with oh, the sharks. So 346 00:15:56.000 --> 00:15:57.440 I brought this up on your show when we were 347 00:15:57.480 --> 00:16:02.120 talking about this, and I said, I didn't like the. 348 00:16:02.000 --> 00:16:04.080 Sharks in this movie. I want to get into that, 349 00:16:04.120 --> 00:16:04.720 so go ahead. 350 00:16:04.879 --> 00:16:07.200 And and I was thinking about this, and when I 351 00:16:07.240 --> 00:16:09.200 was talking to you about it, I started thinking about it, 352 00:16:09.200 --> 00:16:11.559 and I'm like, you know, I have to kind of 353 00:16:11.600 --> 00:16:14.759 decide what I want. Maybe audiences have to decide what 354 00:16:14.799 --> 00:16:18.000 they want do we want the cartoonish sharks that seem 355 00:16:18.159 --> 00:16:21.440 to have this evil persona, or do we want the 356 00:16:21.519 --> 00:16:27.080 more realistic where these are not gargantuan megalodons that don't 357 00:16:27.120 --> 00:16:29.600 have an agenda, that they just all they know. How 358 00:16:29.720 --> 00:16:32.720 Like what did Richard Dryfe say in Jaws? It swims 359 00:16:33.200 --> 00:16:34.799 and it eats. 360 00:16:34.279 --> 00:16:35.159 It's all it knows. 361 00:16:35.279 --> 00:16:39.120 And maybe that's that's the more realistic version of sharks. 362 00:16:39.120 --> 00:16:40.840 And that's I think what we saw in this movie. 363 00:16:41.120 --> 00:16:44.559 And I was like, you know, it's tough because I 364 00:16:44.600 --> 00:16:48.519 think I prefer the non realistic ones, sure, you know, 365 00:16:48.600 --> 00:16:52.159 in film, but at the same time, the realistic ones, 366 00:16:52.200 --> 00:16:54.360 like we saw on this they should be scarier, they 367 00:16:54.399 --> 00:16:57.440 should hit you harder, because this is more true to 368 00:16:57.480 --> 00:17:01.679 life than the meg or the the super intelligent deep 369 00:17:01.679 --> 00:17:02.480 blue sea sharks. 370 00:17:02.639 --> 00:17:05.759 This is going to sound ridiculous, but I found myself 371 00:17:06.160 --> 00:17:08.480 leaving that theater being like, ah, so they took the 372 00:17:08.519 --> 00:17:12.920 moby Dick approach of creatures, because like, that's kind of 373 00:17:12.960 --> 00:17:17.640 the entire premise is Captain Ahab essentially has a vendetta 374 00:17:18.079 --> 00:17:21.000 with a whale that has no vendetta. It's like it 375 00:17:21.079 --> 00:17:23.440 thinks it out smarted me. No, it doesn't. It has 376 00:17:23.559 --> 00:17:26.039 no idea you even exist. It killed some of your 377 00:17:26.079 --> 00:17:28.920 crew because it was doing whale things and it is 378 00:17:28.960 --> 00:17:32.480 still doing whale things, and any human attributes that you 379 00:17:32.559 --> 00:17:35.799 are associating with this whale is a you problem. They 380 00:17:35.839 --> 00:17:38.279 don't jump into the psychology of it, but that is 381 00:17:38.319 --> 00:17:41.119 definitely the way that these sharks are portrayed. A bunch 382 00:17:41.160 --> 00:17:43.319 of bodies in the water, lots of blood everywhere, lots 383 00:17:43.359 --> 00:17:46.240 of chum in the water, both metaphorically and literally, and 384 00:17:46.279 --> 00:17:48.440 a bunch of sharks show up as a result of that, 385 00:17:48.880 --> 00:17:52.359 and it kicks into like to me, I think the 386 00:17:52.400 --> 00:17:55.079 biggest drawback with the sharks was I think this movie 387 00:17:55.079 --> 00:17:58.279 blew their entire budget on the plane crash. On the 388 00:17:58.279 --> 00:18:01.440 plane crash, okay, and I think the sharks did not 389 00:18:01.680 --> 00:18:05.079 match what the plane crash looked like visually. Yeah, I 390 00:18:05.079 --> 00:18:07.720 would agree with that. I think it was very quick, 391 00:18:07.759 --> 00:18:09.519 nothing wrong with that. I think a lot of movies 392 00:18:09.559 --> 00:18:14.880 are getting too comfortable showing crappy cgi like front and center, 393 00:18:15.279 --> 00:18:17.680 even as recently as some of the more recent Jurassic 394 00:18:17.720 --> 00:18:19.680 Park movies. It's like, look, I realize we've gotten a 395 00:18:19.720 --> 00:18:21.640 lot better than we were in nineteen ninety four, but 396 00:18:21.680 --> 00:18:24.839 I can tell that's a giant CGI dinosaur. You should 397 00:18:24.839 --> 00:18:26.799 probably play a little less fast and loose with it here, 398 00:18:26.880 --> 00:18:29.119 exactly so, I can appreciate that it was some quick 399 00:18:29.200 --> 00:18:34.240 hitters coming from these sharks, but relative to the first 400 00:18:34.279 --> 00:18:37.119 half hour of the movie, you can tell there was 401 00:18:37.160 --> 00:18:41.400