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Speaker 1: Welcome to episode ninety one of Get Out Alive, a

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podcast I release whatever I guess. I'm about animal text,

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why they happened, and how we can avoid them. I'm

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your host, Ashley and.

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Speaker 2: Nick, and today's episode is about animal attacks, right, yeah

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is it?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Oh that's a different thing. Okay, never mind, what did

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you think of? What did you ask me?

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Speaker 1: Multiple times? And I've told you multiple times?

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Speaker 2: Yeah it's not me, that's me. Yeah, No, we're good.

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Speaker 1: Also, I apologize for not having an episode out sooner.

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I'm sick and I was getting better and then I've

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for some reason the past hour I have crashed.

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Speaker 2: Also, it's like you've got a very crazy past three weeks, four.

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Speaker 1: Weeks, so yeah, that's true, starting a new job, had

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an insane back problem, got sick. I'm still kind of sick.

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So yeah. Anyways, so to start the year. Also, if

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anyone hears animal noises, I apologize. We're recording around my

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various creatures. But to start, let's start by reading a

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review of the pod before we get into today's what

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we're talking about fun. Today's review comes from three asterisks

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more they feel like family. And then they put two

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asterisks and said, I keep referring to the host as

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them because I can't remember their names at the moment.

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But I don't think they'll mind that too much.

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Speaker 3: I hate it gets to the episodes that I'm not

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on them. Yeah, well that sucks.

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Speaker 1: Well you're here now, I'm here and have a lot

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of conversation about what we're talking about today because in

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the the last episode of the Last Bonus, I don't know.

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I think there's the last bonus that we did, the

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Speaker 3: Month, So I guess you can still join is all

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the stuff that we've already done free as well, Like

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can people go over there and like.

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Speaker 1: So that that's the thing. If you join at like

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But we're just not putting out new stuff right now.

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charging people. We're not charging so if you like have

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a backlog of things you want to listen to, so.

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Speaker 2: Pipl can sign up for the five dollars level for free.

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Speaker 1: No, there's still you pay when you sign up.

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Speaker 2: Okay, I should know how Patreon works and I don't.

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Speaker 1: You should, all right, So today's theme is one that

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we've never done before and it was inspired by I

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think our blessed bonus on Patreon. But today we're gonna

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go over some attack stories from Reddit.

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Speaker 2: You get mentioned stuff from ready, there's a lot.

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Speaker 1: Of stuff on there. If you are not familiar with Reddit,

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how would you describe?

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Speaker 2: Not very fact based. It's like Wikipedia, but like more

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open source.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well it's like a forum based thing on social media. Whatever.

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So what we're gonna do is we're gonna go over

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some attacks that I found on Reddit and then discuss

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whether or not we think that they're real.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's always the thing with read You never know

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what you're gonna get.

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Speaker 1: There are some that I can verify are for sure,

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so we'll get into it. We're gonna start with the

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one of the longer ones, and with one of the

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longer ones, and then do some little ones in between. Beautiful,

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but this first one is like a pretty popular one

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that I actually heard from another podcast, which is what

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inspired me to want to do this episode. Gotcha, So

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with that, let's begin. So this post is it's been

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posted a lot over like different subreddits, but it came

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originally from our slash Relationship advice and it is titled

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I female thirty had to protect his niece from a

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pit bull and my husband male thirty one ran off.

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I have been ignoring him? Is this something that I

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should be forgiving him for?

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Speaker 2: Is there more?

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Speaker 1: Okay, I'm gonna tell you the whole story.

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Speaker 2: I wasn't sure if that was the question. I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry, God, imagine I just asked that. So do

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you think it's real that we're doing? I can't. It's

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gonna be a long one, all right, So here's the post.

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I'm going to start with this. I am still a

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bit traumatized, and I'll be finding someone to talk to.

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And a friend made this account for me because I'm

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not a frequenter. Don't know if the pit bull made it.

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I haven't asked. My husband and his niece and nephew

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and I were in our backyard. I'm going to assume

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our gate was open. I can't remember. The pit bull

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came out of nowhere and latched onto his niece, female five,

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Nie screamed. I turned kicked the pit bull with all

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the force I could manage. I was lucky enough to

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hit it in the jaw somewhere that made its jaw dislodge.

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My husband, who had been a few feet away, shouted

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something along the line of whose dog is this? I

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told him to get our barre spray from the house.

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I was in a panic. I'm an animal lover, but

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it was so insane. The pit bull seemed almost rabid.

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I don't think it was. In hindsight, it wasn't foaming

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at the mouth. It just seemed crazed. My husband ran,

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but not towards the house. He literally ran out of

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the fence gate and shut it behind him, not toward

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his niece or nephew, who was also She said. The

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nephew was also present in an outdoor bassinet that I

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managed to all but toss onto the picnic table to

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make sure it was out of the dog's reach while

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holding his niece off my shoulder. I put her on

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the barbecue to keep her out of reach, but the

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dog was literally jumping and snapping, and I was worried

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that if I tried to carry her I'm short, it

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would have managed to grab her out of my hands.

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It chased me when I ran for the shovel, but

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then I swung at it, and I swung until it stopped.

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I don't think I'll ever forget the sound or the feeling.

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It was so high stress I didn't even realize it

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had bitten me twice. I haven't spoken to him for

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a full week, even though we live in the same house.

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I didn't ask where he went. He only came back

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a few minutes later to pack us into the car

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and drive us to the hospital. He's getting angry that

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I'm quote giving him the silent treatment, but I feel

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like it's his fault that I had to possibly end

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that animal if he had gotten the bare spray. I

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literally keep it in my purse for if I'm ever

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attacked by an animal or otherwise. Then I don't think

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I would have needed to do what I did. Akay

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hit it with the shovel. It was literally just inside

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the door. He knows where I keepit. Instead, he literally

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took off to god knows where me and two children

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that I'm not even related to could have died. It

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might not even be relevant, but I don't even like kids.

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I am staunchly child free, and he is the one

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that offered for us to babysit for the weekend. I

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don't know is this grounds for divorce. I'm not sure

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I can even look at him. Any attraction I had

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to him is pretty much gone. He tried to touch

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me yesterday just to move me so he could pass,

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and I smacked his hand away without even thinking about it,

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like he was some stranger at a bar, because it

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was literally jarring. He's just been sulking around, trying to

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talk to me, then getting frustrated than sulking more. I

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wasn't expecting him to be macho and fistfight the freaking dog,

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but at least follow instruction, at least not leave me

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in a life and death situation with a toddler and

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an infant. Should I be able to chalk this up

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to the moment, like him panicking in the moment, I

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don't even know if I want to hear him out.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's tough. I mean, poor guy.

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Speaker 3: I mean, like she said, it's it's a panic in

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the moment type of deal. It's a fight or flight reflex,

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like he flight, you know, flight flight, My boy be

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flying out there. No, that's that's that's tough because I

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don't want to like rag on the dude too much.

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You know, Oh really, I know, I've read. I've grown

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up since the first I've.

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Speaker 1: Grown up a lot in the past month, since we've

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put an episode out.

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Speaker 2: I haven't talked about anyone in a long time. Sure,

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I think I'm.

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Speaker 1: Really surprised that this is the take that you have.

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Speaker 2: No trust me, I've got inside thoughts.

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Speaker 1: But I mean, you have a lot of nieces and nephews. Yeah,

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can you imagine, so, okay, picture this. You're with a partner, Yeah,

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you have a girlfriend or something. You have your niece

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and nephew or nieces and nephews. A dog comes to

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attack them, you say, hey, go call line on one,

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and she runs away out of the yard to the street.

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For some reason, You're not like, Hey, what the fuck

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was that You're gonna let that happen, and be like,

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I get it, you're panicking.

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Speaker 3: Knowing me, I don't know how much direction I'd be

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giving in the moment. Fair well, I would not have.

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I don't think I would have ran out locking a

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door behind me, keeping the animal that's attacking my family,

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you know, with them. Yeah, but it's one of those

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things where you never know until you're in the moment.

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He really should have like done something helpful, anything, anything,

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anything helpful in terms of the relationship stuff Like that's

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that's all like, no one's advice is going to help,

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Like that's all personal. Like if you literally can't stand

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being in the same room as them now, like if

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you lost that much respect for him, like that stuff

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to come back from.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. So one of the top comments is from commenter

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if it makes you feel better that dog would have

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been considered dangerous and be put down either way, you

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defended yourself and the children from an unprovoked attack. You

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were so courageous and saved the kids' lives. Be proud

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of yourself. And then OPI the original poster said, I

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know that consciously, I think, but thank you for saying that.

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I just feel so terrible.

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Speaker 3: Well yeah, I mean fuck the dog, like of course, yeah,

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I got no like remorse about that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And like it's it's not easy to kill things,

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like she would have had to really beat the shit

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out of this thing.

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Speaker 1: Like a shovel to kill a dog would have been

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really tough.

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Speaker 2: You got to swing like a big dog. Yeah. So,

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like she didn't say anything about like the pipple status

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when they got away, right, Like.

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Speaker 1: No, she specifically said, I don't know what happened to it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but she didn't say like, oh, when we eventually

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made it away, it was laying on the ground convulsing. Like. No,

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the dog's probably like I won't say, fine, but still

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running around, you know. Yeah, And I would hope animal

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control was contacted and kill something.

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Speaker 1: Well, I mean, so the reality is if this dog

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bit someone and was like actively attacking children, at the

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very least it would have had been quarantined for rapies.

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If we're talking about the United States because I actually

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don't know. We don't know where the shirts. Yeah, but

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if a dog's going after kids that bad, it's probably

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gonna be put down in reality. Oh yeah, so I

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have an update. Oh well, first of all, actually, before

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I get into the update, do you think this is real?

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Speaker 2: Uh? Yeah I do.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I could see it too. Yeah yeah, all right,

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So here's the update. My friend said that people update often,

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but I don't know how to attach it to the

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other post. I thought i'd updates since there have been

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a few things that have happened. Kinda sorry if this

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is needlessly long. I didn't expect this to get so

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many comments and kindness. I want to say, I'm so

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sorry to everyone that has experienced anything similar, because my god,

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it has not been easy for everyone worried about my

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mental health. I did get in through an app with

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my work yesterday, so I'm as something like better help personally.

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I don't know, because I decided I really needed it

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and I labeled a high priority. However, it felt like

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it was just a parliamentary meeting, and she said that

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she wanted to get me to a feeling a bit

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more comfortable because I was visibly tensing up whenever I

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started talking about it, and she even noticed that through

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a video chat last night. Also, I told my husband

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I needed space. I apologize that I don't have more

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of an update on our relationship than that I wasn't

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as nice as I want to be. He argued and

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didn't want to leave. It's my house, but I told

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him I just didn't want to look at him, and

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I couldn't look at him, he cried, and I hate

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that I feel apathetic towards it. I haven't slept well,

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so I'm not sure if I'm just overtired and still shaken,

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though I was also emotionally exhausted after the appointment, so

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that might have added to it. I got a few

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questions about his sister and her husband, so I thought

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i'd answer they aren't speaking to him. I don't know

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when it happened. I was definitely out of it at

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the hospital while I was getting the stitches and everything.

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But I do think after I was done blubbering and

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trying to explain how something so terrible happened to their

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little girl under our watch, they apparently asked him where

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he was. And I still haven't talked to him. About

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where he went, so I don't know. However, it clearly

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didn't satisfy them. His niece just got out of the

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hospital yesterday, so that really triggered everything, and a lot happened.

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I had sent flowers and a bear and this one

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toy thing she'd been asking about. I didn't go to

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the hospital though, I was scared seeing me would make

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her more nervous. But his sister and her husband sent

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me flowers too, and it made me bawl my eyes

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out again. I was just a freaking mass, Honestly. The

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father sent me a long message that I haven't been

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able to get through, but things anyone's ever said to me.

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He also sent me a one thousand dollars visa gift card.

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I literally thought I was reading the amount wrong. They

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are good people, and I still feel terrible I couldn't

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have done more for her. Everything's just replaying in my

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head anyway. I obviously haven't looked into filing yet, but

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I am not against the idea of it. That's so tough,

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and it really did help me feel better about wanting

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a divorce over this. Oh. I know fight or flight

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can't be helped, but now I think I realized that

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it's okay not to want to be with someone who

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would leave you behind.

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Speaker 2: Fair, that's absolutely fair.

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Speaker 1: I think I can say I'm a fighter and I

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want a fighter with me. Maybe he'd be better off

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with a runner instead too, and he at least wouldn't

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be leaving someone behind. God damn, I don't know. It

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feels like I'm done, but I'm also just a mess.

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So right now, I'm just glad I have space. Thank

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you for everyone for making me feel like I wasn't

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being ridiculous though, And I think it always feels like

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it should be multiple issues that tear a marriage apart,

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unless it's like infidelity or something. And it's like, I

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know he may not have meant to tray me, but

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he still did, whatever his reasoning. Not sure when I'll

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be speaking to him, but I will try to update.

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Then there are no more updates.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, So, like I don't know what he's supposed to

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do to like come back from this.

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Speaker 1: You know, you can't.

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Speaker 3: You can't, No, he can't go back. No, just it's

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one of those things where like you have one chance

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to you know, fight.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I uh, I totally say where she's coming from though, Yeah,

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because I mean, I don't know your perspective as a man,

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Like that's one thing, But me as a woman, if

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I have a partner and we have kids that were

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in charge of and he runs away from me when

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an animal's attacking us, I'd be like, I'd be so unattracted. Yeah,

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you're such a loser.

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Speaker 2: Correct, it's a bitch move. It's like really like.

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Speaker 1: And I mean, like you said, you can't predict how

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you're gonna act in an emergency situation, but like there's

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babies involved, and.

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Speaker 3: Again it's very fair like for her to you know,

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have her feelings changed by this. Like for like, I'm

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always like whenever I see these relationship advice things there

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was annoying because like you don't need anyone to justify

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your reasoning for when you break up somebody, Like of

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course it is absolutely if you just think, all right,

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I'm done, that's it. Like, yeah, don't fucking go to

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the internet and ask for like, oh am I the

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asshole for this?

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Speaker 1: No, you're not an asshole, Like, yeah.

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Speaker 2: It doesn't mean that everything's great and like everyone's gonna

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be happy about it. Yeah, but if you're not.

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Speaker 3: No longer going to be with somebody, then you no

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longer to be with somebody, no matter what you know,

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the reason is.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and as much as he can't control having run

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away and well, shutting a door behind.

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Speaker 3: That is that's that's the craziest part, because like you

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have to actively like reach out and close the door.

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Speaker 1: Behind it and have the thought of, like, here, let

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me close this. The dog doesn't get out like what.

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Speaker 3: I may, even if it's just like you know, as

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you're running, like swing it with your arm, like just

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like reach out, retalle quick and send it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so not like have at some point have a

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click like, oh I just did that, I.

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Speaker 1: Locked them in.

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Speaker 2: That's fucking wild.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. So as much as he can't control having run away,

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she can't control being not attracted to him after this

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night mere scenario.

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Speaker 2: And there is like nothing he can do about it.

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Yeah that sucks.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, No, just it really got me at the end

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where she's like, he deserves to be with a runner too.

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, the shade, the shade.

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Speaker 1: So we don't have updates beyond that. I am assuming

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they probably got divorced, because that doesn't sound like she

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was willing to work that hard to see through their problems.

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Speaker 2: Now I don't know.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know how long after the attack that

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these updates were happening.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we don't know.

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Speaker 3: I would hope they gave it some time to let

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the emotion kind of settle down. Yeah, and you know,

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like clear of minds come through when you're not traumatized.

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But who the fuck knows when that's going to be.

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Speaker 1: There was also another top comment that was op you

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forgot to include the best comment. So someone quoted where

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she said he argued and didn't want to leave after

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she was like get out of the house, and someone said,

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of course he didn't want to. There are dogs outside,

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all right. So let's see the original post was from

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July third, twenty twenty four, and let's see when the

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update was. Okay, the update was only two days later.

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Speaker 3: But that still means that the child was in the

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hospital for at least like two days. At least two days,

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because we don't know exactly when the attack happened.

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Speaker 1: Correct. Yeap, that's tough. That's tough.

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Speaker 2: I'm glad everyone's okay.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, me too. Yeah, And from what I see looking

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through the original posters rounding the account, there's no more update.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, she said, she just made it for

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this post, so yeah, that makes sense.

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Speaker 1: And yeah, the last thing she said was someone asking

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about therapy, and she was like, I have another session tomorrow.

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That's kind of it.

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Speaker 2: I hope she gets to help.

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Speaker 1: She needs me too.

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Speaker 2: This doesn't affect her, you know, feelings towards dogs forever.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And in another comment, she did say that she

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had been attacked by a dog as a kid. Damn yeah,

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a German shepherd. Oh yeah, and she a bad run

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moved on. Yeah, where are you at? Girl? Where are

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these dogs coming from? But we can both agree we

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thought that was real.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I mean there's just that there are a

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couple of things on, Like a pit bull attacking was

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every quick thing to be to have time to grab

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the child player on the grill, turn around, grab a shovel.

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That dog has already been on you for many, many

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seconds by that point, so I'm kind of like, what

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the fuck was going on for all that?

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Speaker 1: Have you ever had a dog be aggressive towards you? Yeah,

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and like trying to bite you or something.

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Speaker 3: Nothing to the point of like this, Yeah, nothing like that,

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but I mean, like dog's kind of like, hey, what

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the fuck are you doing?

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Speaker 1: In my area.

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Speaker 2: But I understood that when it was happening like so.

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Speaker 1: Like and I forget what number episode it is when

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I talked about two dogs coming after me in Penny,

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but the dog that was like trying to kill Penny,

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like it took breaks and I could see it like

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thinking through what it was doing next. So I wonder,

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which is disgusting, but I wonder if that was happening

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at all, Like maybe the people was like reevaluating and

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as she was like moving the kids around, maybe it

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was like, oh, which one am I going to know?

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What I mean? Yeah?

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Speaker 2: What I want to you first?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? All right. This next one comes from our slash

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ask reddit and was titled and We'll tax survivors, what's

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your story? Ooh fun? This was the top. So no,

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this is from redditor mister doodles.

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Speaker 2: What.

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Speaker 1: This was four years ago and they started out, so

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brace yourself. This one is weird. I used to travel

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for hospital work, super fun, highly recommend it, usually thirteen

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week contracts. One contract I had was in Honolulu, Hawaii,

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which was fucking amazing. I swam daily and hiked a lot.

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One such hike, I decided to go up the mountain

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right behind the city. When you're on the Waikiki Beach,

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look directly inland, that big mountain that's almost always got

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cloud cover in a rainbow, hence the license plate. That's

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what I climbed. On the way back down, I came

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across a mother hen in about six chicks like chickens

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in the jungle, totally at a left field. I didn't

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press and as they took off into the woods. So

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I went to work. Asked some coworkers and they responded, ooh,

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those are jungle foul. Don't mess with them. Oh shit,

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jungle fowl. Come on, man, I know they're feral chickens,

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but like I grew up with chickens. We used to

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have roosters too. They'd protect the hens from foxes and raccoons.

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Problem was they'd protect the hens from us too. We

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used to have a rooster we literally named Nightmare. I

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can handle a chicken, even an angry one. Next hike,

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I decide I'm going to Manoa Falls by taking a

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crazy way out of the way route, which was fucking baller.

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By the way, total hike length was twelveish miles. Roughly

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halfway through the hike, I run into some switchbacks. Going

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up steep hill, I reached the top and I see him,

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a rooster in his flock of hens. They're all crossing

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the path behind him, and he looks at me and

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gets this, It's go time, motherfucker. Look he charges right

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at me. He's not too big, so I'm like, yeah, whatever.

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When a rooster attacks, they try to scratch you with

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these spurs that go out of the back of their

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feet as they fly right at you, So you kind

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of roughly push them off and they get the message

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and give you right of way. At least that's how

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it should go. This guy kept coming at me relentlessly,

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so I start backing off, getting away from the hens,

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so he's less threatened, but he still kept coming. We

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fought backwards down three layers of switchbacks to for what

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felt like half an hour, but I'm sure it was

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only a few minutes. And finally I get to a

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point where I'm thinking, I'm going to have to kill

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this thing to get it off my case. And something

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strange happened. The very moment I decided this, he very

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suddenly stopped. We sort of stood there looking at each

472
00:21:29,920 --> 00:21:31,839
other for a moment. Then he gives kind of like

473
00:21:31,920 --> 00:21:35,720
a book, like, yeah, that's right. Look, I have no idea,

474
00:21:35,799 --> 00:21:38,039
I'm assuming that's what this guy meant. And he runs

475
00:21:38,039 --> 00:21:40,880
off the hill, leaving me all scratched up. So I

476
00:21:40,920 --> 00:21:42,480
sat there for a few to give him space, and

477
00:21:42,519 --> 00:21:44,599
decided that since I'm halfway through, I might as well

478
00:21:44,640 --> 00:21:47,319
finish the hike. On the way, I saw other hikers

479
00:21:47,359 --> 00:21:49,680
look at me, to which I responded, ooh, man, don't

480
00:21:49,720 --> 00:21:55,240
mess with a jungle thowl thoughts. That's fun.

481
00:21:55,319 --> 00:21:56,000
Speaker 2: I like that one.

482
00:21:56,039 --> 00:22:00,720
Speaker 1: I think it's real. Yeah, I feel like it'd be

483
00:22:00,720 --> 00:22:02,880
weird to make up a story about a chicken attacking Yeah.

484
00:22:02,960 --> 00:22:04,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, And it kind of seems like realistic enough, Like,

485
00:22:04,960 --> 00:22:07,279
I mean, I'm sure the rooster just backed him down

486
00:22:07,319 --> 00:22:08,640
to the point where it's like, all right, the rest

487
00:22:08,640 --> 00:22:10,240
of the chickens have moved on somewhere else, and now

488
00:22:10,279 --> 00:22:12,599
he needs to go, yeah, find them, you know. Yeah,

489
00:22:12,680 --> 00:22:14,400
you can't just fight this dude forever, because then we'll

490
00:22:14,440 --> 00:22:17,160
have a fucking fight a flock. Yeah, so yeah, I

491
00:22:17,160 --> 00:22:20,559
believe it. And you know, roosters are fucking assholes, that's true,

492
00:22:21,160 --> 00:22:24,039
big old pricks. Yeah, how about you, do you think

493
00:22:24,039 --> 00:22:24,359
it's right?

494
00:22:24,880 --> 00:22:25,599
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'd say so.

495
00:22:25,759 --> 00:22:25,960
Speaker 2: Yeah.

496
00:22:26,039 --> 00:22:28,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, this doesn't feel like that crazy for me to

497
00:22:28,960 --> 00:22:31,160
like have made it up. No, then again, I feel

498
00:22:31,160 --> 00:22:32,680
like I'm kind of gumble and I'll just be like, oh.

499
00:22:32,640 --> 00:22:35,559
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I mean, and there's not like did the

500
00:22:35,599 --> 00:22:37,720
injuries don't sound exaggerated, like it's kind of.

501
00:22:37,680 --> 00:22:39,039
Speaker 1: You even really say specific injuries.

502
00:22:39,359 --> 00:22:41,519
Speaker 3: Scratch Yeah, yeah, I scratched him a little bit, backed

503
00:22:41,559 --> 00:22:43,000
him down, just kind of. I'm sure he was trying

504
00:22:43,000 --> 00:22:45,319
to keep the space like he's not you know, in

505
00:22:45,359 --> 00:22:47,559
the middle of a fucking fist fight. Yeah, it was

506
00:22:47,640 --> 00:22:49,920
not the fucking the dude who had a choke on

507
00:22:50,000 --> 00:22:53,440
a mountain lion, you know, yeah, that was That's a story.

508
00:22:53,599 --> 00:22:57,200
Speaker 1: I just it's a tangent. But now that I work

509
00:22:57,279 --> 00:22:59,839
up close with mountain lions, guys, I you know, it's

510
00:22:59,839 --> 00:23:02,519
one thing to saying this to Nick earlier, So sorry Nick,

511
00:23:02,599 --> 00:23:05,920
but it's one thing to like talk about these stories

512
00:23:06,000 --> 00:23:08,240
and say like, oh, yeah, mountain lion attack this person,

513
00:23:08,319 --> 00:23:11,480
they did this, But like to see an angry mountain

514
00:23:11,480 --> 00:23:16,640
lion up close is insane. Like I just had one

515
00:23:16,759 --> 00:23:20,000
snarling like within inches of my face, and I have

516
00:23:20,079 --> 00:23:21,720
no idea how anybody survives it.

517
00:23:21,759 --> 00:23:22,960
Speaker 2: They're not even kill mode.

518
00:23:23,119 --> 00:23:25,400
Speaker 1: No, and these ones that I'm with, I don't know

519
00:23:25,400 --> 00:23:27,160
how to kill things. They've never been taught. So I'm like,

520
00:23:27,200 --> 00:23:28,640
can you imagine what it's like to be with one

521
00:23:28,640 --> 00:23:31,480
that knows what they're doing? Like, I can't. I cannot imagine.

522
00:23:31,519 --> 00:23:33,920
Speaker 2: You just got to You've got a fucking fight for

523
00:23:33,960 --> 00:23:34,440
your life.

524
00:23:34,519 --> 00:23:38,519
Speaker 1: Like, And I don't think i'd make it. Really, I wouldn't, I.

525
00:23:38,599 --> 00:23:41,480
Speaker 2: Must from the dog story. Wouldn't make it for sure. Yeah,

526
00:23:41,559 --> 00:23:42,000
now he'd be.

527
00:23:41,960 --> 00:23:45,319
Speaker 1: Fun, he'd be running. Yeah, they can jump over gates.

528
00:23:46,680 --> 00:23:49,519
They won't help you now on the lugger, all right,

529
00:23:49,599 --> 00:23:51,599
Moving on to the next one. The next one is

530
00:23:51,640 --> 00:23:53,920
from our slash Hiking Alberta from a year.

531
00:23:53,799 --> 00:23:57,240
Speaker 2: Ago asking This one's from Jeremy No.

532
00:23:57,720 --> 00:24:00,440
Speaker 1: Asking people to share their barn counter or attack stories.

533
00:24:01,440 --> 00:24:04,519
This is from Redditor wy Way c A d M

534
00:24:04,759 --> 00:24:08,359
two to one from one year ago. I've outlined my

535
00:24:08,440 --> 00:24:12,240
bear charge here before. In twenty sixteen, my hunting buddy

536
00:24:12,240 --> 00:24:14,480
and I were tracking a couple of bachelor bucks white

537
00:24:14,519 --> 00:24:17,680
tail about twenty kilometers from where this attack occurred. We

538
00:24:17,680 --> 00:24:19,519
were right behind the deer. We were after maybe two

539
00:24:19,599 --> 00:24:21,880
hundred meters when they went into a line of trees

540
00:24:22,119 --> 00:24:26,440
and ease willow scrub brush. Ease willow scrub brush. That

541
00:24:26,519 --> 00:24:29,640
sounds like a plant. Sure, I'm assume so, yeah, I

542
00:24:29,640 --> 00:24:31,079
already believe this is real because I'm like, I don't

543
00:24:31,079 --> 00:24:31,480
know what that is.

544
00:24:31,960 --> 00:24:34,160
Speaker 2: This guy knows more than you know facts, or he's

545
00:24:34,200 --> 00:24:35,519
making it up in fake Oh.

546
00:24:35,519 --> 00:24:38,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, thankfully. I had a round chamber to my rifle

547
00:24:38,480 --> 00:24:40,079
and was prepared to take a shot at the deer

548
00:24:40,119 --> 00:24:43,400
within seconds as we got into the trees, an adult

549
00:24:43,519 --> 00:24:46,240
black bear bore. We found out later he was two

550
00:24:46,319 --> 00:24:49,200
hundred and seventy pounds, stuck his head up about forty

551
00:24:49,240 --> 00:24:52,799
feet away in the willow tangle, popped his jaws twice,

552
00:24:52,960 --> 00:24:56,480
and then charged at us. I was and still am,

553
00:24:56,519 --> 00:25:00,960
astounded at how fast he came through that tangled brush. Afterward,

554
00:25:01,119 --> 00:25:03,599
we tried to walk through it and couldn't. He came

555
00:25:03,640 --> 00:25:06,160
through it like it was open ground. I did not

556
00:25:06,279 --> 00:25:08,559
even have time to fully shoulder my rifle and he

557
00:25:08,599 --> 00:25:11,920
was about twelve feet away. I fired, hit him in

558
00:25:11,920 --> 00:25:15,079
the face, and he dropped and slid, stopping on the

559
00:25:15,119 --> 00:25:19,839
toe of my boot. We discovered later he had minutes

560
00:25:19,880 --> 00:25:22,839
before take him down a deer. When we got in there,

561
00:25:22,960 --> 00:25:25,720
he was on the ground still killing it. He heard

562
00:25:25,799 --> 00:25:29,839
us and charged, protecting his kill. We had no idea

563
00:25:29,880 --> 00:25:32,400
he was there. It is grizzly country and black bears

564
00:25:32,440 --> 00:25:35,440
generally will not be anywhere near them. We had spray,

565
00:25:35,720 --> 00:25:38,039
always do, and have had a number of encounters over

566
00:25:38,039 --> 00:25:41,079
the years, all bluff charges. We were surprised we hadn't

567
00:25:41,119 --> 00:25:43,400
smelled him. Bears tend to stink a bit and you

568
00:25:43,440 --> 00:25:45,920
can often smell them or they're scat. But we think

569
00:25:45,960 --> 00:25:48,039
he was likely traversing through the area and got lucky

570
00:25:48,039 --> 00:25:50,200
stumbling on a deer. This was a little later in

571
00:25:50,240 --> 00:25:52,279
the year than now, early November.

572
00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:55,119
Speaker 2: I want your thoughts on this before I doove mine.

573
00:25:55,400 --> 00:25:58,039
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I believe that. You believe it, I'll take it, eh,

574
00:25:58,400 --> 00:25:58,720
I don't.

575
00:25:59,119 --> 00:26:02,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm scot but I don't know, alright. I just

576
00:26:02,759 --> 00:26:06,519
like black bears in grizzly country. You're like, black bears

577
00:26:06,519 --> 00:26:08,640
are on divorce, but I don't know they are they

578
00:26:08,799 --> 00:26:10,119
hunting and taking down deer.

579
00:26:10,039 --> 00:26:15,920
Speaker 1: Like yeah, in grizzly country, not often, but yeah, yeah, yeah,

580
00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:18,839
I think if the opportunity presents itself, that's fair. Yeah,

581
00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:19,359
that's fair.

582
00:26:19,480 --> 00:26:20,000
Speaker 2: That's yeah.

583
00:26:20,039 --> 00:26:25,400
Speaker 1: Okay, once again, I'm global. But yeah, the bear killing

584
00:26:25,519 --> 00:26:27,000
the deer is not the crazy part to me.

585
00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:30,559
Speaker 3: No, yeah, but that is that's tough. I mean it's

586
00:26:30,559 --> 00:26:35,319
a fucking out of nowhere bear comes chargeant now you yeah?

587
00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:38,519
Speaker 1: How yeah, and make that shot right at the face.

588
00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:41,240
Speaker 2: That's just yeah, that's luck. I mean you don't practice that.

589
00:26:41,279 --> 00:26:43,200
Speaker 3: There's no practicing a fucking hip shot with the fucking

590
00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:45,680
bolt action like no, yeah, fucking call of duty style.

591
00:26:46,119 --> 00:26:48,000
Speaker 1: Actually do have another comment from that same post?

592
00:26:48,119 --> 00:26:50,039
Speaker 2: Oh? Perfect, Yeah, I would lie with way. I want

593
00:26:50,039 --> 00:26:50,400
more info.

594
00:26:50,720 --> 00:26:53,279
Speaker 1: Oh, it's actually not about it's another attack. Oh yeah,

595
00:26:54,680 --> 00:26:58,519
also posted a year ago by mister Chieves. They said

596
00:26:58,759 --> 00:27:01,960
the deer was nineteen ninety seven, great year. Yeah, hey,

597
00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:06,400
the year is nineteen ninety seven summer. The location a

598
00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:09,119
ten year old cut block an hour or so east

599
00:27:09,119 --> 00:27:12,720
of High Level. I'm assumed this is all Alberta. I'm

600
00:27:12,759 --> 00:27:14,839
assuming that makes sense to whoever lose there, but it

601
00:27:14,839 --> 00:27:15,519
doesn't make sense.

602
00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:16,960
Speaker 3: To be I think a cup block would be like

603
00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:18,880
a section of trees that's been cut down for logging

604
00:27:19,799 --> 00:27:21,240
and now it's growing back ten years later.

605
00:27:21,319 --> 00:27:22,680
Speaker 1: Like you just tolting made that up, But sure I

606
00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:23,119
believe it.

607
00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:25,000
Speaker 2: It just kind of what would make sense.

608
00:27:25,079 --> 00:27:28,839
Speaker 1: Okay, great. I was working to survey planted trees regrowth

609
00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:29,880
with another forest worker.

610
00:27:29,960 --> 00:27:31,880
Speaker 2: Okay, what you said, It's perfect.

611
00:27:33,640 --> 00:27:36,200
Speaker 1: The block was big enough, with standing aspen left behind.

612
00:27:36,519 --> 00:27:38,759
It was only harvested for pine and spruce. The other

613
00:27:38,799 --> 00:27:41,079
guy went to the east side and I went west.

614
00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:44,519
I came out of a little draw and approached a

615
00:27:44,559 --> 00:27:48,319
copse of green alder with some aspen towering over top.

616
00:27:48,359 --> 00:27:53,119
I already believe the story. Visibility was only about fifteen

617
00:27:53,119 --> 00:27:56,960
meters or so with thick bushes. I hear screech, the

618
00:27:57,039 --> 00:28:00,640
sound of claws on bark, ascending rapidly. I look up

619
00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:03,920
at the taller aspen and see three black fluffs climbing

620
00:28:03,920 --> 00:28:06,920
as fast as they can. Uh oh, cubs, Oh oh.

621
00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:09,400
I was wearing a red cloth vest, which we know

622
00:28:09,839 --> 00:28:13,200
animals do not like. No, not red, with my surveying

623
00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:15,559
kit and a can of bear spray in a zippered

624
00:28:15,839 --> 00:28:21,359
back area. Spotting cubs means sow. My hand moves automatically

625
00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:23,319
to the zipper. It comes down and I find the

626
00:28:23,319 --> 00:28:26,920
handle spray. Miraculously. I have time in this flash to

627
00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:29,480
say out loud, oh shit, oh shit, oh shit, and

628
00:28:29,519 --> 00:28:31,240
get the spray in front of me as the sow

629
00:28:31,359 --> 00:28:34,319
sprints out of the bush straight towards me. I set

630
00:28:34,359 --> 00:28:36,519
off the spray and the blast hits her no more

631
00:28:36,559 --> 00:28:39,240
than ten feet away from me. She tastes the air

632
00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:44,359
and sits down, looking about. I say, in a gentle voice,

633
00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:47,519
it's okay, mama, I'm leaving. And I keep repeating this

634
00:28:47,599 --> 00:28:50,000
as I back away slowly back into the draw, making

635
00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:52,200
a wide circle around where she was, and may for

636
00:28:52,279 --> 00:28:55,200
where my partner is working. The story doesn't end here.

637
00:28:56,160 --> 00:28:57,680
I caught up to the guy. He has done a

638
00:28:57,680 --> 00:29:00,960
few more seasons than me. He tells me, black Bear, Oh,

639
00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:02,759
they aren't a big deal. You just shout at them

640
00:29:02,759 --> 00:29:04,880
when they run away, no problem. And I'm like, yeah,

641
00:29:04,960 --> 00:29:06,759
I'm not working by myself in this block today, and

642
00:29:06,759 --> 00:29:09,079
he's like, okay, just hang with me. It's cool. So

643
00:29:09,119 --> 00:29:11,960
we keep working. We climb up a little rise and

644
00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:15,119
get to see most of the block. Approaching the edge

645
00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:17,519
of the block, the opposite side, where our quads are parked.

646
00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:20,000
About five hundred meters away are the sow and her

647
00:29:20,039 --> 00:29:24,440
cubs just ambling along. My partner says, is that them? Yep?

648
00:29:24,759 --> 00:29:27,759
So he says, watch this, hey, you fucking bear. Get

649
00:29:27,799 --> 00:29:34,039
out of here. Go on. The sow looks in our direction, pauses, squints,

650
00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:37,400
then her cubs take off into the bush and she charges.

651
00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:41,799
We stand there dumbfounded. Then my partner says, yeah, I

652
00:29:41,799 --> 00:29:44,319
think we're done for the day and high tail it

653
00:29:44,359 --> 00:29:45,839
back to our quads the end.

654
00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:48,599
Speaker 2: Fuck around and find out, right, yep, fuck around and

655
00:29:48,599 --> 00:29:50,400
find out. Yeah, god damn.

656
00:29:50,960 --> 00:29:54,119
Speaker 3: Those are good instincts though, Like, see the cubs raptory immediately?

657
00:29:54,160 --> 00:29:56,200
Is the bear spreadstincts?

658
00:29:56,240 --> 00:29:59,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, the coworker not great instincts.

659
00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:02,079
Speaker 2: You might be a little bit too comfortable out there. Yes,

660
00:30:02,440 --> 00:30:04,799
I agree. Blackbirds are generally big fat babies.

661
00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:05,079
Speaker 1: Yep.

662
00:30:05,160 --> 00:30:08,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, but you don't fuck with the mom and our cubs.

663
00:30:08,079 --> 00:30:09,960
Speaker 1: No, you also don't like scream at them.

664
00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:13,720
Speaker 2: You do, you do. It's not like they understand you,

665
00:30:13,799 --> 00:30:15,000
like you can say what the fuck you want?

666
00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:17,240
Speaker 1: May be sure they get hey, you fucking bear. And

667
00:30:17,240 --> 00:30:20,160
she was like, oh, excuse me, excuse me in front

668
00:30:20,160 --> 00:30:20,680
of my children.

669
00:30:21,119 --> 00:30:22,880
Speaker 2: You could disrespect me here in my home.

670
00:30:23,160 --> 00:30:23,839
Speaker 1: Yeah pretty much.

671
00:30:23,920 --> 00:30:28,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's no, that's funny. I'm glad again. Everyone's okay.

672
00:30:28,759 --> 00:30:31,440
So I'm happy about that. Yes, yeah, yeah, I believe it.

673
00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:32,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, I believe.

674
00:30:32,880 --> 00:30:33,799
Speaker 2: I believe it absolutely.

675
00:30:33,839 --> 00:30:37,160
Speaker 1: I believe it all right. This next one is from

676
00:30:37,599 --> 00:30:41,119
our slash Wilderness Backpacking. The post was titled who on

677
00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:42,920
here has been charged by a grizzly bear and can

678
00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:47,799
share their experience? Two years ago muted underscore performance nine

679
00:30:47,839 --> 00:30:51,759
to four said not me. My dad in the late eighties.

680
00:30:51,759 --> 00:30:56,519
He was pheasant hunting in Saint Ignacious, Montana. His dog

681
00:30:56,599 --> 00:30:59,160
in front of him was working on flushing birds, got

682
00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:02,759
between a grit sow and her cub. The dog led

683
00:31:02,759 --> 00:31:06,000
that bear right back to my dad. My dad shot

684
00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:10,960
the bear three times a bird shot, which that's if

685
00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:14,759
anything that may make it worse, it's off. Yeah, first

686
00:31:14,759 --> 00:31:15,960
shot twenty feet.

687
00:31:16,319 --> 00:31:19,160
Speaker 2: Second shot twenty feet, second.

688
00:31:18,839 --> 00:31:22,599
Speaker 1: Shot ten feet. Last shot. He had to turn the

689
00:31:22,599 --> 00:31:26,759
gun upside down and shot the bear in its hump. Huh,

690
00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:28,559
like the hump of its like shoulder.

691
00:31:28,599 --> 00:31:30,559
Speaker 2: Why is he turning up? It's because it's on top

692
00:31:30,599 --> 00:31:32,799
of him, like maybe, how are you doing?

693
00:31:33,039 --> 00:31:36,839
Speaker 1: Yeah? Oh yes, because the next sentence is the bear

694
00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:38,079
proceeded to maul my dad.

695
00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:40,160
Speaker 2: Oh my god, yeah.

696
00:31:40,279 --> 00:31:43,160
Speaker 1: Claude his back, chewed on his arms and scalped him.

697
00:31:43,559 --> 00:31:46,920
His scalp flapped up over his eyes. At this point,

698
00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:48,759
my dad was saying his prayers and wishing he would

699
00:31:48,799 --> 00:31:51,440
have gone to church that day instead of hunting. He

700
00:31:51,559 --> 00:31:53,440
was also thinking about his first child on the way

701
00:31:53,559 --> 00:31:56,319
my sister. The bear then managed to get his head

702
00:31:56,400 --> 00:31:59,400
in her mouth to finish him. He heard a loud

703
00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:02,160
crunch and that was it. The bear then walked away

704
00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:04,759
and my dad played dead for a short while. It

705
00:32:04,799 --> 00:32:06,720
turned out one of his first two shots hit the

706
00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:10,720
bear's face and fractured its jaw, which completely broke when

707
00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:14,160
biting down on his head. Wow. My dad walked back

708
00:32:14,160 --> 00:32:16,240
to the property owners home, knocked on her door, and

709
00:32:16,279 --> 00:32:21,400
she answered, you've been shooting my bears. She also called

710
00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:23,759
nine on one and my dad was life flighted to Missoula.

711
00:32:26,039 --> 00:32:28,960
My dad was later sued by the tribal government for

712
00:32:29,079 --> 00:32:31,799
killing a bear that they were tracking with radio collar

713
00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:37,119
and for being their sacred animal. He ultimately countersued in one,

714
00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:39,319
but he never got the bear's hide, which like, yeah,

715
00:32:39,359 --> 00:32:42,720
no shud. Last he heard it was at the tribal

716
00:32:42,799 --> 00:32:45,119
Chamber of Commerce. My dad is still kicking it and

717
00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:46,839
has one hell of a story that I like sharing.

718
00:32:47,039 --> 00:32:48,640
Speaker 2: Wow, I don't know if I believe that one.

719
00:32:48,519 --> 00:32:52,279
Speaker 1: As much, especially like the what you got sued for

720
00:32:52,359 --> 00:32:53,960
shooting a bear that's attacking you?

721
00:32:54,079 --> 00:32:58,359
Speaker 3: I bet Yeah, there could definitely be more to that story.

722
00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:04,400
If he was poaching, then I can imagine that the

723
00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:05,799
the locals wouldn't appreciate that.

724
00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:08,200
Speaker 1: But if he had bird shot, like he's obviously not have.

725
00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:10,000
Speaker 2: A great point. That's a great point. He wouldn't.

726
00:33:10,039 --> 00:33:11,799
Speaker 3: Yeah, he wouldn't be out there looking to kill fucking

727
00:33:11,920 --> 00:33:13,039
bears with bird shot.

728
00:33:13,279 --> 00:33:13,640
Speaker 2: Yeah.

729
00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:16,880
Speaker 3: Now the one shot twenty feet one shot ten feet,

730
00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:17,759
I think that's exaggerated.

731
00:33:17,799 --> 00:33:20,400
Speaker 2: I don't think that's true. Yeah, that's a very close distance.

732
00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:22,519
Speaker 3: I mean yeah, and if you're using a shotgun, like

733
00:33:22,559 --> 00:33:24,400
it takes a decent amount of time for the whole

734
00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:27,880
action to kind of reset, so like you're not firing enough.

735
00:33:28,400 --> 00:33:30,559
Speaker 2: You know, it's it's not an AAR fifteen.

736
00:33:30,759 --> 00:33:31,200
Speaker 1: Yeah.

737
00:33:31,240 --> 00:33:34,319
Speaker 3: So, and bears are fucking quick, as we've learned through

738
00:33:34,319 --> 00:33:36,960
many many stories. Yeah, it can cover ten feet way

739
00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:38,319
faster than I think.

740
00:33:38,119 --> 00:33:38,920
Speaker 2: A round could.

741
00:33:39,240 --> 00:33:43,559
Speaker 3: Cyclegun. I do think once again, compaction is it semiato?

742
00:33:44,559 --> 00:33:47,319
Are you allowed to hunt with semiato for pheasants? So

743
00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:49,240
you just heard what I think it's I think you

744
00:33:49,240 --> 00:33:50,000
have to use pumper.

745
00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:52,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, that sounds right.

746
00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:53,960
Speaker 2: I could be wrong. I don't know, you.

747
00:33:53,920 --> 00:33:57,960
Speaker 1: Probably are, Yeah, I think it is hard to tell

748
00:33:58,079 --> 00:34:00,000
like size and distance when those things are happening.

749
00:34:00,119 --> 00:34:02,960
Speaker 3: Absolutely so, absolutely so that's like, if that's the only

750
00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:05,680
detell at the distances that has you shot this bear,

751
00:34:06,119 --> 00:34:06,400
you know.

752
00:34:06,519 --> 00:34:10,519
Speaker 2: I'll take it exactly. Yeah. Yeah, No, that's terrifying. I'm

753
00:34:10,519 --> 00:34:11,119
glad he's okay.

754
00:34:11,320 --> 00:34:12,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, but to.

755
00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:17,000
Speaker 3: Fucking it is it's unbelievable that the fucking bears jaw

756
00:34:17,039 --> 00:34:20,000
would snap. Yeah, like that's crazy.

757
00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:21,039
Speaker 1: She's trying to kill you.

758
00:34:21,119 --> 00:34:23,400
Speaker 2: Yeah. So that was the third shot, right.

759
00:34:24,159 --> 00:34:25,840
Speaker 1: I think the second one or the first when he

760
00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:28,840
shot it in the face, which is incredible.

761
00:34:28,920 --> 00:34:32,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, with bird shot breaking, that's very lucky.

762
00:34:32,719 --> 00:34:37,360
Speaker 3: Which is again take away the grainsault, Yeah, because that's

763
00:34:37,639 --> 00:34:39,800
a lot like shot doesn't pack that much for a punch.

764
00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:42,440
Speaker 1: No, when you are going for a pheasant and then

765
00:34:42,519 --> 00:34:42,920
end up with.

766
00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:47,840
Speaker 3: Grizzly yea, and it's a fucking bears jaw, grizzly bears jaw, Like, oh,

767
00:34:48,719 --> 00:34:50,840
I believe the dog bringing it back though it happened

768
00:34:50,880 --> 00:34:51,199
to dog.

769
00:34:52,079 --> 00:34:54,199
Speaker 1: Yeah, where the dog? Where the dog go? There's this

770
00:34:54,239 --> 00:34:55,320
little bitch dog that's.

771
00:34:55,239 --> 00:34:57,440
Speaker 2: Leaving your ran off with the other guy.

772
00:34:58,119 --> 00:35:02,559
Speaker 1: Shut the fence, close the car door behind it.

773
00:35:03,639 --> 00:35:05,039
Speaker 2: They've loaded up into the cards.

774
00:35:05,079 --> 00:35:09,119
Speaker 1: Are cough? All right? Here's another comment from that same thread.

775
00:35:09,599 --> 00:35:14,519
This is by Layner's sab posted a year ago. Hey,

776
00:35:15,039 --> 00:35:16,760
I've been charged by a grizzly bear in the Yukon.

777
00:35:16,880 --> 00:35:20,079
Five years ago. I've been sent with a water plane

778
00:35:20,199 --> 00:35:22,079
with a little crew in a remote area in the

779
00:35:22,119 --> 00:35:25,360
Yukon that burned the year before to buy and pick

780
00:35:25,639 --> 00:35:30,119
morel mushrooms. Interesting. The first time I met the bear

781
00:35:30,159 --> 00:35:33,639
who the first time first time we met. The first

782
00:35:33,679 --> 00:35:35,119
time I met the bear was a few days after

783
00:35:35,119 --> 00:35:37,519
we arrived and set up camp. A couple days later,

784
00:35:37,679 --> 00:35:40,000
as I was picking with my partner and my dog,

785
00:35:40,239 --> 00:35:43,679
he chased my dog. Common theme here, yep. They chased

786
00:35:43,679 --> 00:35:46,159
each other for a while before I stupidly decided to

787
00:35:46,199 --> 00:35:48,119
call my dog in the hope that grizzly would leave.

788
00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:51,320
My dog came to me, but the grizzly decided to

789
00:35:51,320 --> 00:35:53,920
follow him. He charged me and my wife, who was

790
00:35:53,960 --> 00:35:57,199
beside me, charged us four to five times, running away,

791
00:35:57,280 --> 00:36:01,440
then coming back running in circles around us. We freaked out, obviously. Yeah,

792
00:36:01,760 --> 00:36:03,840
We tried to scam away by raising our hand. Trying

793
00:36:03,840 --> 00:36:06,719
to make us as big as possible wasn't effective. My

794
00:36:06,840 --> 00:36:09,119
dog stayed with me after I called them back beside

795
00:36:09,119 --> 00:36:12,079
me or between me and the grizzly. I had bear spray,

796
00:36:12,119 --> 00:36:13,840
but when the grizzly was charging, my dog was always

797
00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:15,960
between me and the bear, so I didn't use the spray.

798
00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:19,239
That bear was so close we thought we would die.

799
00:36:19,559 --> 00:36:21,960
My wife, after several charges from the bear, as he

800
00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:24,159
was only a few meters from us, started crying and

801
00:36:24,199 --> 00:36:27,480
begged him to leave us alive. Jesus, he left ran

802
00:36:27,519 --> 00:36:31,000
away for real, He freaking left, stood on a stump

803
00:36:31,039 --> 00:36:33,920
one hundred meters or so away. We were shaking as

804
00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:37,039
falling leaves, so scared, so lucky to be alive, so

805
00:36:37,079 --> 00:36:40,280
speechless the security of my bear spray being off. I

806
00:36:40,320 --> 00:36:43,159
sprayed myself by inadvertence. While we were walking back to

807
00:36:43,239 --> 00:36:47,320
the camp. Scared as we've never been scared, we wanted

808
00:36:47,360 --> 00:36:49,159
to leave. We were not able to leave the camp

809
00:36:49,239 --> 00:36:52,480
to pick mushrooms. We were pretty much traumatized, but also accepting,

810
00:36:52,760 --> 00:36:55,840
also in a weird happy state. Somehow feeling strong, we

811
00:36:55,920 --> 00:36:58,159
decided to stay and go back in the bush with respect,

812
00:36:58,280 --> 00:37:01,039
a lot of fear and caution. This was the most

813
00:37:01,039 --> 00:37:03,199
scary but also the most beautiful experience I had with

814
00:37:03,239 --> 00:37:06,119
bear so far, one of the strongest experiences of my life.

815
00:37:06,199 --> 00:37:07,800
I still think about that bear very often.

816
00:37:08,239 --> 00:37:09,599
Speaker 2: Is there a second time you met the bear?

817
00:37:10,320 --> 00:37:12,239
Speaker 1: No, it doesn't. The same thing about like it just said,

818
00:37:12,239 --> 00:37:13,239
the first time I met the bear was a few

819
00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:14,559
days after we were out of the camp. A couple

820
00:37:14,599 --> 00:37:16,440
of days later this happened.

821
00:37:16,480 --> 00:37:19,320
Speaker 3: Okay, so they probably like saw it somewhere around like,

822
00:37:19,519 --> 00:37:22,639
but didn't have like any of the yea, which, how

823
00:37:22,639 --> 00:37:25,000
long were you letting your dog, yeah, around with a

824
00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:25,800
fucking grizzly bear?

825
00:37:26,039 --> 00:37:26,719
Speaker 1: The way that it was.

826
00:37:27,199 --> 00:37:28,280
Speaker 2: This whole thing is weird.

827
00:37:28,599 --> 00:37:30,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, this one, I I don't know, not that I

828
00:37:30,920 --> 00:37:32,599
don't believe it's true, but like, why are you letting

829
00:37:32,639 --> 00:37:33,599
your dog run around.

830
00:37:33,400 --> 00:37:34,920
Speaker 2: With a grizzly It seems like a lot of stupid

831
00:37:34,960 --> 00:37:35,639
decisions going on.

832
00:37:35,679 --> 00:37:35,880
Speaker 1: Yeah?

833
00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:36,000
Speaker 2: Why?

834
00:37:36,039 --> 00:37:37,320
Speaker 1: First of all, why bring the dog?

835
00:37:37,760 --> 00:37:38,559
Speaker 2: Yeah?

836
00:37:38,639 --> 00:37:41,199
Speaker 3: Yes, why are you your wife and your dog out

837
00:37:41,440 --> 00:37:43,960
from fucking mushrooms without a gun?

838
00:37:44,840 --> 00:37:45,280
Speaker 1: Yeah?

839
00:37:45,320 --> 00:37:45,920
Speaker 2: Without a gun?

840
00:37:46,239 --> 00:37:48,840
Speaker 1: But yeah, fair well, Hey, as we learned from thelast story,

841
00:37:48,840 --> 00:37:49,800
potentially you could get.

842
00:37:49,679 --> 00:37:52,440
Speaker 3: Sued so yeah, I'd rather get soued than die or

843
00:37:52,519 --> 00:37:54,440
watch my dog die or my wife die.

844
00:37:54,599 --> 00:37:55,079
Speaker 1: That's fair.

845
00:37:55,199 --> 00:38:01,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, sue me, okay, Like, yeah, fucking all right, I'm alive. No,

846
00:38:01,199 --> 00:38:04,440
that's I am a big believer that I wouldn't want

847
00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:08,119
to go anywhere remote in brown bear or grizzly country.

848
00:38:08,199 --> 00:38:09,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, without a fucking gun.

849
00:38:09,559 --> 00:38:13,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like, I think that's probably the standard nowadays.

850
00:38:12,880 --> 00:38:16,000
Speaker 2: I would hope. So yeah, I mean I've done a

851
00:38:16,079 --> 00:38:18,239
few hikes out in California stuff in a mountainline country

852
00:38:18,239 --> 00:38:21,519
without a weapon, but like, I don't think that's the

853
00:38:21,519 --> 00:38:23,559
same thing as a fucking grizzly bear.

854
00:38:25,159 --> 00:38:27,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, because it seems hot take seems like you have

855
00:38:28,039 --> 00:38:29,559
more time with bears.

856
00:38:29,599 --> 00:38:31,880
Speaker 4: That's exact mountain exactly. I mean, because a mountaine is

857
00:38:31,880 --> 00:38:37,800
sneaking up an ambush yeah fast, Yeah yeah, that no,

858
00:38:37,920 --> 00:38:40,440
that's I don't I don't like this story.

859
00:38:40,719 --> 00:38:41,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's my least favorite so far.

860
00:38:42,079 --> 00:38:43,559
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know if I

861
00:38:43,760 --> 00:38:45,480
like you said, I don't know if I say it's not real.

862
00:38:45,559 --> 00:38:48,239
But it seems like some dumb decisions were made.

863
00:38:48,960 --> 00:38:50,159
Speaker 1: That's a lot of what the show is.

864
00:38:50,719 --> 00:38:51,000
Speaker 4: Yeah.

865
00:38:51,199 --> 00:38:53,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, um, we got to learn from other people's mistakes.

866
00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:56,559
Speaker 1: Yeah, so guys, if you're going to the Yukon to

867
00:38:56,559 --> 00:38:59,679
pick morel mushrooms, don't bring your dog, but bring your gun.

868
00:39:00,159 --> 00:39:03,000
Speaker 2: Or if you're gonna bring your dog, yeah, and don't

869
00:39:03,039 --> 00:39:04,800
let it chase around the fucking.

870
00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:06,639
Speaker 1: Grizzly Yeah, maybe keep it on a long lead. I don't.

871
00:39:07,079 --> 00:39:09,800
Speaker 2: I don't understand that. I don't. That's really weird to me.

872
00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:12,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, like I would be if my dog was running

873
00:39:12,840 --> 00:39:16,760
around the fucking grizzly bear, Like I'd be petrified.

874
00:39:16,880 --> 00:39:20,880
Speaker 1: Like yeah, but yeah, I've seen a video recently and

875
00:39:20,920 --> 00:39:23,920
I posted it on our Facebook of a I think

876
00:39:23,960 --> 00:39:25,599
it was Oh man, was it a black bear or

877
00:39:25,599 --> 00:39:26,960
a brown bear? It might have been a brown bear,

878
00:39:27,159 --> 00:39:29,400
but someone's Rottwiler was in their front yard. It's like

879
00:39:29,400 --> 00:39:34,280
successfully scared away a bear from well, yes, but like

880
00:39:34,360 --> 00:39:36,800
the technique the dog had of how to like keep

881
00:39:36,800 --> 00:39:39,880
it away, like they were saying they had trained this

882
00:39:39,960 --> 00:39:41,480
dog of what to do if there's a bear around.

883
00:39:41,519 --> 00:39:43,119
Oh no way. First of all, didn't know that you

884
00:39:43,119 --> 00:39:45,119
could do that. But that's if you live in bear

885
00:39:45,119 --> 00:39:47,559
country or taking your dog somewhere, you should maybe do

886
00:39:47,639 --> 00:39:50,320
some training on like, hey, if you're surrounded by a

887
00:39:50,360 --> 00:39:52,880
large predator. Yeah, keep it over there.

888
00:39:52,920 --> 00:39:56,119
Speaker 3: Well, I mean like dogs that run bears would learn these. Yes,

889
00:39:57,079 --> 00:39:59,119
I've seen no reason why you couldn't teach a store rotwiler.

890
00:39:59,320 --> 00:40:01,960
Speaker 1: Yeap. I also will say another tangent back to my job,

891
00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:05,519
because this is a podcast about me. Now it always

892
00:40:05,519 --> 00:40:09,760
has been, Yeah, well, we can train animals to do

893
00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:10,679
most anything.

894
00:40:10,960 --> 00:40:11,760
Speaker 2: Tell them about the fish.

895
00:40:12,239 --> 00:40:14,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, we have fish at work that we could train.

896
00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:16,880
Speaker 2: That's what's crazy, it's really weird.

897
00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:19,159
Speaker 1: Yeah, we have a bear that we've trained to give

898
00:40:19,239 --> 00:40:21,360
us both of his paws and open his mouth, and

899
00:40:21,440 --> 00:40:24,000
like there's other zoos that train all animals to do

900
00:40:24,079 --> 00:40:24,719
all sorts of things.

901
00:40:24,760 --> 00:40:26,840
Speaker 2: That's just so we're clear. You're not actually holding the

902
00:40:27,039 --> 00:40:28,519
bear's pause like he's putting up on a show.

903
00:40:28,599 --> 00:40:30,039
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, just so.

904
00:40:30,079 --> 00:40:31,119
Speaker 2: We're clear, it's not like a dog.

905
00:40:31,199 --> 00:40:33,119
Speaker 1: Yeah, very clear, good zoos, you're not going in with

906
00:40:33,159 --> 00:40:34,039
these animals whatever.

907
00:40:34,920 --> 00:40:36,519
Speaker 2: But I had a whole lot of contact going on.

908
00:40:36,679 --> 00:40:39,039
Speaker 1: Yeah, but it has reinforced for me, like you can

909
00:40:39,079 --> 00:40:40,960
really train your animals to do anything. If you have

910
00:40:41,119 --> 00:40:44,039
enough like positive reinforcement with food or whatever your animal likes,

911
00:40:44,039 --> 00:40:45,719
you can really train them to do anything. So you

912
00:40:45,719 --> 00:40:48,400
could train your dog to keep bears away from you.

913
00:40:48,480 --> 00:40:50,679
Speaker 3: Absolutely no, I mean we have fucking working dogs out there,

914
00:40:50,719 --> 00:40:52,360
like finding bombs and like helping.

915
00:40:52,079 --> 00:40:52,719
Speaker 2: Them find people.

916
00:40:52,719 --> 00:40:55,440
Speaker 3: And yeah, yeah, we can teach the techniques to you know,

917
00:40:55,519 --> 00:40:55,880
not die.

918
00:40:55,920 --> 00:40:59,760
Speaker 1: They're even rats that find the bombs that are buried underground.

919
00:41:00,039 --> 00:41:04,000
E D's right. Yeah, yeah, I don't know.

920
00:41:04,599 --> 00:41:07,559
Speaker 2: I don't know that. Maybe you you Yeah, that's it

921
00:41:07,639 --> 00:41:08,239
was the idea.

922
00:41:08,599 --> 00:41:11,000
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna lie. I sometimes say I U D and.

923
00:41:10,960 --> 00:41:13,079
Speaker 2: That's I thought, Yeah I could.

924
00:41:13,159 --> 00:41:15,800
Speaker 1: I was like about it. Uh uh E for explosive,

925
00:41:15,880 --> 00:41:19,719
you for your rats? Yeah? Is that crazy count of

926
00:41:19,920 --> 00:41:21,960
small the explosives? Yeah, let them loose.

927
00:41:22,199 --> 00:41:24,599
Speaker 3: Oh you know what, this would be a terrible idea

928
00:41:24,599 --> 00:41:27,079
and very you know, not humane at all. Great to

929
00:41:27,079 --> 00:41:28,960
find land mines in like third world.

930
00:41:28,840 --> 00:41:31,599
Speaker 2: Countries, that's literally what I'm talking about. Well, Landman's and

931
00:41:31,679 --> 00:41:32,559
I D's are different.

932
00:41:32,599 --> 00:41:33,280
Speaker 1: What's the difference.

933
00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:35,679
Speaker 3: One idea is an improvised explosive device. A lamdmine is

934
00:41:35,719 --> 00:41:37,639
a lamdmine is mass produced.

935
00:41:38,039 --> 00:41:41,719
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that's what I'm not gonna lie. I knew

936
00:41:42,840 --> 00:41:47,400
east of explosive, I didn't know it was improvised oh yeah, oh.

937
00:41:47,159 --> 00:41:50,440
Speaker 2: Improvised explosive device. Yeah, so it's like we're all learning. Yeah,

938
00:41:50,440 --> 00:41:52,840
you can make that out of a lot of different things.

939
00:41:53,440 --> 00:41:53,800
Speaker 1: Hm hmm.

940
00:41:54,039 --> 00:41:54,280
Speaker 2: Yeah.

941
00:41:54,440 --> 00:41:56,199
Speaker 1: Okay, So maybe it's the land mines we're looking.

942
00:41:56,039 --> 00:41:57,760
Speaker 3: For that would that would make a lot of sense.

943
00:41:58,119 --> 00:42:00,119
And it was like, let the the fucking rats blow up.

944
00:42:00,559 --> 00:42:02,920
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, or they find them and you get rid

945
00:42:02,920 --> 00:42:03,239
of them.

946
00:42:04,679 --> 00:42:05,679
Speaker 2: That'd be more dangerous.

947
00:42:05,760 --> 00:42:08,400
Speaker 1: Oh well, but then if you put all the work

948
00:42:08,400 --> 00:42:10,960
in the training the rat, it's a good point. Yeah, yeah,

949
00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:12,960
it's a really good point. Then you're losing out on

950
00:42:13,000 --> 00:42:16,039
the rats. Yeah. Well, anyways, I'll find that article, I'll

951
00:42:16,039 --> 00:42:20,079
poster rats. I'll post a thing about uh landmine rats.

952
00:42:20,199 --> 00:42:22,639
That's cool. All right, let's move on to our last story.

953
00:42:22,960 --> 00:42:24,920
So this last one's kind of a combo. So I'm

954
00:42:24,920 --> 00:42:30,000
gonna read the story itself, kind of like a brief version,

955
00:42:30,199 --> 00:42:34,440
but then the like Reddit post associated with it, if

956
00:42:34,480 --> 00:42:38,920
that makes sense. July twenty two, two thousand and eight,

957
00:42:39,440 --> 00:42:43,239
was just another day for Elena Hansen. So she and

958
00:42:43,320 --> 00:42:45,559
her two dogs went to an area on her seventy

959
00:42:45,559 --> 00:42:49,119
acre property in the mountains outside of Bakersfield, California, and

960
00:42:49,159 --> 00:42:51,639
she was putting up a vineyard, so like making this

961
00:42:51,679 --> 00:42:54,800
property into a vineyard. She was a single mom of

962
00:42:54,840 --> 00:42:57,719
one college aged son, and she was like, obviously, as

963
00:42:57,719 --> 00:43:00,119
a single mom, pretty used to doing stuff on her own.

964
00:43:00,280 --> 00:43:02,320
So on this day, she was working on making a

965
00:43:02,320 --> 00:43:06,280
well on her property, and as she came out from

966
00:43:06,280 --> 00:43:09,079
the well she was working on, she startled a black bear.

967
00:43:09,840 --> 00:43:12,519
She remembers in the one second before either the move,

968
00:43:12,599 --> 00:43:15,440
she was like, uh oh, and then the bear was

969
00:43:15,440 --> 00:43:19,599
on her. She said quote, I heard chomp, chomp, chomp.

970
00:43:19,960 --> 00:43:22,639
I felt it bite through my skull. I hear kind

971
00:43:22,679 --> 00:43:25,719
of like a squishy, crunchy pop, and I went, there

972
00:43:25,719 --> 00:43:26,400
goes my eye.

973
00:43:26,679 --> 00:43:27,360
Speaker 2: Oh god.

974
00:43:27,559 --> 00:43:29,280
Speaker 1: Then it got hold of my face and I could

975
00:43:29,320 --> 00:43:32,280
feel it tearing off. One of the worst moments was

976
00:43:32,360 --> 00:43:36,199
watching that little bugger spit my teeth out. Oh god, yeah,

977
00:43:36,239 --> 00:43:38,960
what the fuck this moment. Elena was only like one

978
00:43:39,039 --> 00:43:43,360
hundred pounds, and like a two year old black bear

979
00:43:43,400 --> 00:43:45,559
is usually around like two hundred, so we're assuming this

980
00:43:45,639 --> 00:43:47,840
is like an adult ish bear, so easily over one

981
00:43:47,880 --> 00:43:48,400
hundred pounds.

982
00:43:48,400 --> 00:43:49,159
Speaker 2: Oh god, so.

983
00:43:49,440 --> 00:43:52,760
Speaker 1: Either her weight or more than her So as this

984
00:43:52,840 --> 00:43:56,199
is happening, she managed to dig her thumb into the

985
00:43:56,199 --> 00:44:00,360
bear's eye, causing it to loosen its grip, and that moment,

986
00:44:00,480 --> 00:44:05,800
one of her dogs, a huge mastiff ironically named Decoy Nice,

987
00:44:06,159 --> 00:44:09,440
lunged at the bear, and Elena says quote, I remember

988
00:44:09,480 --> 00:44:11,119
thinking that if my dog was willing to offer his

989
00:44:11,159 --> 00:44:12,719
life to save me, the least I could do was

990
00:44:12,760 --> 00:44:15,280
try to live. Oh fuck. Yeah. So she managed to

991
00:44:15,280 --> 00:44:18,199
free herself as Decoy was helping her, and she stumbled

992
00:44:18,239 --> 00:44:23,280
down a brush covered trail for half a mile back

993
00:44:23,320 --> 00:44:26,719
to her truck. When she got there, Decoy was already there.

994
00:44:27,119 --> 00:44:29,480
He was waiting for her at the truck. Great dog, see,

995
00:44:29,480 --> 00:44:32,480
you can try him to do anything. As she got

996
00:44:32,480 --> 00:44:34,920
into the truck and started it up, she looked at

997
00:44:34,960 --> 00:44:37,800
herself in the rear view mirror and said quote, I

998
00:44:37,840 --> 00:44:39,519
was surprised to see I was still wearing my white

999
00:44:39,519 --> 00:44:42,719
baseball cap. It was askew and bloody, but amazingly it

1000
00:44:42,760 --> 00:44:46,559
was still on. And then a beat later, she goes,

1001
00:44:47,079 --> 00:44:49,000
then I realized that cap was my scalp.

1002
00:44:49,239 --> 00:44:50,360
Speaker 2: Oh fuck.

1003
00:44:51,400 --> 00:44:53,039
Speaker 1: So she gave herself a few more seconds to look

1004
00:44:53,079 --> 00:44:55,880
at herself and be like, well, gross, and then drove.

1005
00:44:57,519 --> 00:45:01,360
She drove a few miles to a mountain fire station,

1006
00:45:02,480 --> 00:45:04,800
when she got out of the truck. Several firefighters rushed

1007
00:45:04,800 --> 00:45:06,960
to her aid and kept her from falling into shock

1008
00:45:07,000 --> 00:45:09,840
while they called a helicopter to take her one hundred

1009
00:45:09,880 --> 00:45:13,480
and twenty three miles Jesus to the Ronald Reagan UCLA

1010
00:45:13,559 --> 00:45:17,199
Medical Center emergency department. She said, one of the firemen

1011
00:45:17,280 --> 00:45:18,840
is holding me up from behind so I don't fall

1012
00:45:18,880 --> 00:45:21,360
down and asperate my own blood. And he's going, you're

1013
00:45:21,400 --> 00:45:23,960
doing great, just hang on, and she told him, no,

1014
00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:26,239
I'm not. We both know I'm not going to make it,

1015
00:45:26,519 --> 00:45:31,000
so just go easy on yourself, okay, And she said

1016
00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:33,159
the guy was so grateful for being able to laugh,

1017
00:45:33,840 --> 00:45:37,480
which that's tough. Well, I'm not gonna make it, so

1018
00:45:37,480 --> 00:45:38,320
go easy on yourself.

1019
00:45:38,480 --> 00:45:40,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, no, it's it's a big thing with people

1020
00:45:40,880 --> 00:45:42,440
who are in these situations, like you need to be

1021
00:45:42,440 --> 00:45:44,559
able to keep it light, which sounds weird, but like no,

1022
00:45:44,760 --> 00:45:46,599
mentally a huge think.

1023
00:45:46,679 --> 00:45:49,280
Speaker 1: Jeremy talked about that too, right, yeah, when he same

1024
00:45:49,320 --> 00:45:51,360
situation after being attacked by the grizzly, was like, yeah,

1025
00:45:51,400 --> 00:45:53,119
it was like cracking jokes asthma going fishing.

1026
00:45:53,199 --> 00:45:57,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean you got it. Survivor's mentality, you know, yeah, like, oh, well,

1027
00:45:58,079 --> 00:45:59,800
fucking is what it is. Keep it moving.

1028
00:46:00,519 --> 00:46:04,519
Speaker 1: So at EUCLA, doctors operated on Elena for six hours,

1029
00:46:05,039 --> 00:46:07,079
but they were able to save her face and her eye,

1030
00:46:07,119 --> 00:46:10,079
but she would never look the same. Of course, she said.

1031
00:46:10,079 --> 00:46:12,639
Whatever shock that she had first felt after seeing herself

1032
00:46:12,639 --> 00:46:15,199
after surgery was offset by her happiness to be alive.

1033
00:46:16,280 --> 00:46:18,679
She says, the scar from the claw that shows I

1034
00:46:18,760 --> 00:46:21,280
literally kissed a bear on the bear lips. These scars

1035
00:46:21,320 --> 00:46:23,679
are harder and trophies for what I've been through. There's

1036
00:46:23,679 --> 00:46:25,440
actually something I can be grateful for, and I am

1037
00:46:25,480 --> 00:46:28,000
proud of them. I can go talk to little girls

1038
00:46:28,000 --> 00:46:32,119
and say I'm still beautiful even with these. So the

1039
00:46:32,159 --> 00:46:34,519
reason I found this story was because this is one

1040
00:46:34,559 --> 00:46:36,760
of the most popular, Like, asked me anything, was on Reddit,

1041
00:46:37,400 --> 00:46:40,480
So it's from our slash I am a And it

1042
00:46:40,519 --> 00:46:43,119
was posted twelve years ago by her and it was

1043
00:46:43,119 --> 00:46:45,199
titled I was mauled by a bear, fought it off

1044
00:46:45,239 --> 00:46:47,039
and drove four miles down a mount with my face

1045
00:46:47,079 --> 00:46:49,679
hanging off. Asked me anything. So she gives like kind

1046
00:46:49,719 --> 00:46:51,400
of a brief background, like, hey, you know I was

1047
00:46:51,440 --> 00:46:54,199
doing this, I got attacked and I drove to the

1048
00:46:54,199 --> 00:46:57,159
fire station whatever. Five years and dozen surgeries later, I'm

1049
00:46:57,199 --> 00:46:59,159
back to some semblance of my original self. Here's a

1050
00:46:59,159 --> 00:47:00,920
book I wrote, So she wrote book, I will put

1051
00:47:00,920 --> 00:47:03,920
it in an episode description, and then she like posts some

1052
00:47:03,960 --> 00:47:07,400
other stuff with like pictures and whatnot. So she said

1053
00:47:07,719 --> 00:47:11,280
here I am ask me anything. So the top comment

1054
00:47:11,599 --> 00:47:13,360
what was going through your mind as you drove back

1055
00:47:13,400 --> 00:47:15,880
down the mountain? And Elena said, for one thing, I

1056
00:47:15,920 --> 00:47:18,199
didn't expect to make it down the mountain, so there

1057
00:47:18,199 --> 00:47:20,079
was an air of surreal about it, sort of like

1058
00:47:20,119 --> 00:47:22,480
a crazed Disney ride. But mostly when I realized that

1059
00:47:22,519 --> 00:47:24,480
I might indeed make it to the fire station, there

1060
00:47:24,519 --> 00:47:28,760
was an enormous sense, an enormous sense of elation. Another

1061
00:47:28,760 --> 00:47:30,840
person asked, how did you deal with the whole ordeal

1062
00:47:30,880 --> 00:47:34,480
after your first operation emotionally and physically? She said, well,

1063
00:47:34,519 --> 00:47:38,880
I wrote a book. Surprisingly, I didn't have the expected nightmares, flashbacks,

1064
00:47:38,880 --> 00:47:42,320
panic attacks, et cetera that one might have expected. Mostly

1065
00:47:42,360 --> 00:47:44,639
I was so stoked at the incredible job that doctor

1066
00:47:44,719 --> 00:47:47,079
Lee had done on my reconstruction. I felt like I'd

1067
00:47:47,079 --> 00:47:48,800
been letting everyone down if I didn't do my damns

1068
00:47:48,960 --> 00:47:52,119
to heal and recover physically. I had to relearn how

1069
00:47:52,159 --> 00:47:55,079
to speak, eat, even breathe properly. But through it all.

1070
00:47:55,119 --> 00:47:56,960
I was motivated by wanting to let people know that

1071
00:47:56,960 --> 00:47:59,000
if I, a little old lady like me could survive

1072
00:47:59,039 --> 00:48:02,800
something like this, could they. And then someone commented on that,

1073
00:48:03,360 --> 00:48:05,599
pretty sure you scared off any nightmares you would have had.

1074
00:48:08,239 --> 00:48:10,719
Speaker 3: No, I mean that's the thing that like therapists say though,

1075
00:48:10,760 --> 00:48:13,039
like writing down your traumas can help you get through

1076
00:48:13,039 --> 00:48:14,960
it all. Yeah, so writing a book about it like

1077
00:48:15,000 --> 00:48:16,840
that might be the best thing that you know, survivors

1078
00:48:16,920 --> 00:48:19,199
can do for some people. Obviously, it depends on who

1079
00:48:19,199 --> 00:48:23,360
you are. But she clearly is not the you know,

1080
00:48:23,360 --> 00:48:25,480
we were talking earlier about the fighting flight. She's not

1081
00:48:25,519 --> 00:48:25,880
a flight.

1082
00:48:26,039 --> 00:48:26,840
Speaker 1: She's not the run away.

1083
00:48:26,880 --> 00:48:29,840
Speaker 3: No, no, no, she's she's a fighter. Like that's really cool.

1084
00:48:29,840 --> 00:48:31,679
That's whatal we impressed with. Good for her, like to

1085
00:48:31,760 --> 00:48:33,119
keep that mentality.

1086
00:48:32,679 --> 00:48:35,039
Speaker 1: Is yeah, awesome. Yeah. I find that a lot of

1087
00:48:35,280 --> 00:48:37,119
people that a'm go an attacked by bears like Jeremy

1088
00:48:37,119 --> 00:48:38,719
Evans that we keep referring to, like a lot of

1089
00:48:38,760 --> 00:48:39,599
them write books.

1090
00:48:40,199 --> 00:48:41,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, why wouldn't you? I mean, you have an

1091
00:48:41,960 --> 00:48:45,840
experience that not many people ever will don't want to, Yeah,

1092
00:48:45,880 --> 00:48:47,199
and like you should share it.

1093
00:48:47,280 --> 00:48:49,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, and if you live might as well. Absolutely so.

1094
00:48:49,760 --> 00:48:51,519
Someone said, is there anything you can compare that kind

1095
00:48:51,559 --> 00:48:53,559
of pain to She said, no, having a baby was

1096
00:48:53,599 --> 00:48:56,400
a piece of cake in comparison. Maybe like being smacked

1097
00:48:56,400 --> 00:49:00,239
in the face by an anvil. Jesus. And then someone said,

1098
00:49:00,239 --> 00:49:02,000
if I ever found myself being attacked by a bear,

1099
00:49:02,079 --> 00:49:04,360
what advice would you give me? She said, If it's

1100
00:49:04,360 --> 00:49:07,119
a grizzly bear, play dead. If you're in California it's

1101
00:49:07,119 --> 00:49:09,400
a black bear, fight back with everything you've got because

1102
00:49:09,400 --> 00:49:11,280
it's trying to kill you. If it's a polar bear,

1103
00:49:11,360 --> 00:49:12,559
you're fucking yeah.

1104
00:49:12,599 --> 00:49:13,079
Speaker 2: There we go.

1105
00:49:15,199 --> 00:49:16,960
Speaker 1: Someone else asked, did you have that moment of seeing

1106
00:49:16,960 --> 00:49:19,559
your life flash before your eyes? She said, no, nor

1107
00:49:19,599 --> 00:49:21,760
did I see Jesus, But I knew that this was

1108
00:49:21,760 --> 00:49:24,239
the moment of my death and it pissed me off enormously,

1109
00:49:24,840 --> 00:49:26,880
so much in fact, that inspired me to fight back,

1110
00:49:26,880 --> 00:49:28,280
which turned out to be the right decision.

1111
00:49:28,280 --> 00:49:30,199
Speaker 3: I think, Yeah, I mean, I think that's the biggest

1112
00:49:30,239 --> 00:49:33,639
that we take out of it, is like this survival

1113
00:49:33,639 --> 00:49:37,480
mentality has to be fucking drilled into you know.

1114
00:49:38,079 --> 00:49:40,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, you gotta be stubborn, you gotta be stubborn about it.

1115
00:49:41,239 --> 00:49:42,480
I'm not going to fucking die today.

1116
00:49:42,679 --> 00:49:43,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, not like this.

1117
00:49:45,039 --> 00:49:47,480
Speaker 2: Be a stubborn motherfucker. And she seems to be that's all.

1118
00:49:47,440 --> 00:49:49,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, which is great. Yeah. And someone asked what was

1119
00:49:49,960 --> 00:49:52,000
the drive to the fire station, like for you, what

1120
00:49:52,039 --> 00:49:54,239
was going through your head? And this may sound strange,

1121
00:49:54,320 --> 00:49:55,400
but did you listen to music?

1122
00:49:55,760 --> 00:49:56,599
Speaker 2: Oh?

1123
00:49:56,679 --> 00:49:58,559
Speaker 1: She said, it was like the wackiest Disney ride ever,

1124
00:49:58,599 --> 00:50:02,320
which we've said before. Alternated between elation and despair, but figured,

1125
00:50:02,360 --> 00:50:05,159
what the heck, it's not likely to live through this anyways,

1126
00:50:05,199 --> 00:50:06,880
so here's my one chance to drive like a total

1127
00:50:06,920 --> 00:50:10,159
dickhead with him people. Fortunately, the dirt track was so

1128
00:50:10,199 --> 00:50:12,559
remote that the likelihood of running into anyone else approaching

1129
00:50:12,679 --> 00:50:13,079
was nil.

1130
00:50:13,239 --> 00:50:15,280
Speaker 2: Imagine like surviving the bear attack and then get into

1131
00:50:15,280 --> 00:50:15,800
a car accident.

1132
00:50:15,880 --> 00:50:18,920
Speaker 1: That'd be such a bummer. Frankly, I expected to go

1133
00:50:18,960 --> 00:50:20,760
careening over the cliff side, so I just spun the

1134
00:50:20,800 --> 00:50:22,840
wheel and stomped on the brakes as the spirit moved me.

1135
00:50:23,079 --> 00:50:26,159
No music, just my maniacal laughter echoing off the canyon wall.

1136
00:50:26,239 --> 00:50:30,079
Oh yeah, And someone asked how much were your medical bills?

1137
00:50:30,800 --> 00:50:33,199
She said, my crappy insurance company only covered about twenty

1138
00:50:33,199 --> 00:50:36,039
percent of what I needed done, so I'll be paying

1139
00:50:36,079 --> 00:50:37,800
these bills off for the rest of my life. So far,

1140
00:50:37,840 --> 00:50:40,880
expenses have been about three hundred thousand in counting. Actually

1141
00:50:40,960 --> 00:50:42,719
not as much un expected really.

1142
00:50:42,800 --> 00:50:44,719
Speaker 2: I mean, she said, it doesn't.

1143
00:50:44,519 --> 00:50:46,559
Speaker 1: Like it's basically a total facial construction.

1144
00:50:46,679 --> 00:50:50,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean, the fucking medical shit is insane.

1145
00:50:51,480 --> 00:50:53,159
Speaker 1: Someone said, if you were to do something to prevent

1146
00:50:53,199 --> 00:50:54,920
this from happening to you again, what would you do?

1147
00:50:55,760 --> 00:50:57,920
She said, When I'm outside now, I watch my six

1148
00:50:58,400 --> 00:51:00,760
It was something of a fluke, as black bears rarely

1149
00:51:00,800 --> 00:51:03,639
attack human beings. But my tomboy girlfriends, who like to

1150
00:51:03,679 --> 00:51:05,519
run a bike in the back country, learned a valuable

1151
00:51:05,559 --> 00:51:08,199
lesson from this. We all make sure we go out

1152
00:51:08,239 --> 00:51:10,559
with a dog or two now in Stalert. Personally, I

1153
00:51:10,599 --> 00:51:12,039
spend a lot of time looking up into the trees

1154
00:51:12,039 --> 00:51:16,000
for lions. Yeah. Someone else asked, what have you learned

1155
00:51:16,000 --> 00:51:17,840
most from this experience? Do you have a different outlook

1156
00:51:17,880 --> 00:51:21,159
on this life, on life because of this happening? She said,

1157
00:51:21,199 --> 00:51:23,559
to persist as to the second part of your question,

1158
00:51:23,599 --> 00:51:26,239
I'm still trying to figure that out. I'm a bit

1159
00:51:26,280 --> 00:51:28,880
more wary of wild places, which ruined some of the

1160
00:51:28,920 --> 00:51:30,960
sanctity I used to find there, and I resent that.

1161
00:51:31,280 --> 00:51:33,360
But mostly I'm the same person. I've always been, just

1162
00:51:33,360 --> 00:51:39,920
a little lumpier, just a little lump heier. Someone said,

1163
00:51:40,679 --> 00:51:42,360
did you quit your job at the ranch? Has this

1164
00:51:42,480 --> 00:51:44,639
change your perspective on animals? Did you provoke the animal

1165
00:51:44,760 --> 00:51:47,159
or have any idea I attack you? She said, My

1166
00:51:47,239 --> 00:51:49,480
ranch is my job. I can't quit it. I have

1167
00:51:49,519 --> 00:51:51,480
to admit the whole misadventure has made me a lot

1168
00:51:51,480 --> 00:51:53,639
more wary of animals with big teeth. We tend to

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take for granted that they're not going to kill us.

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Sometimes that's just not true. I think it was a

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00:51:58,000 --> 00:52:01,639
predatory attack by a desperate creature. It's probably hungry, disoriented

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00:52:01,639 --> 00:52:04,920
from the recent wildfire, and taking a territorial stand. It

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00:52:05,000 --> 00:52:07,000
certainly knew I was there and it had been stalking me.

1174
00:52:07,280 --> 00:52:09,159
Probably figured I was an easier dinner than a deer,

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00:52:09,519 --> 00:52:11,719
which has hooves and antlers and can outrun it. Little

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00:52:11,760 --> 00:52:14,280
old ladies aren't supposed to fight back. Fair.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, this is gonna be a thing that we might

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00:52:16,760 --> 00:52:18,199
be saying, you know, and then your future with all

1179
00:52:18,239 --> 00:52:21,079
the fires from California right now, like yeah, just those

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00:52:21,119 --> 00:52:24,320
animals gotta go somewhere, and La is right there, like

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00:52:24,960 --> 00:52:27,599
they're gonna have to There's gonna be interactions, you know,

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00:52:27,719 --> 00:52:29,719
and even if it's not like immediately right now, the

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00:52:29,760 --> 00:52:33,559
next you know, coming months and years, there's how many

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00:52:33,599 --> 00:52:36,440
hundreds of acres I've been destroyed. Yeah, there's mountainlines on

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00:52:36,440 --> 00:52:37,880
those woods. It's black bears in those.

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00:52:37,719 --> 00:52:40,800
Speaker 2: Woods, those woods. Yeah, they're gonna have to go somewhere.

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00:52:40,920 --> 00:52:42,639
Speaker 3: Yeah, and they're gonna be looking for water because it's

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gonna be a lot of those fucking water sources that you.

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Speaker 1: Think the pollution those fires are causing too, like for

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the ocean. And it's I mean obviously the people who

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are displaced in like dying.

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Speaker 2: Awful crazy, it's unbelievable.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I just it's so devastating.

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Speaker 3: Like this area Bakersfield is like right by where I was,

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so I know that area fairly well.

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Speaker 2: Cook those mountains and everything, like they're they're dry, like

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00:53:04,840 --> 00:53:08,440
they are think think things are not you know, going

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great for the forests of California. You know, in the

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past several years they actually so part of like what's

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going on these wildfires, Like in the past year they've

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00:53:15,519 --> 00:53:19,000
had an above average rainfall, so a lot of stuff

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grew and then it dries out and that was a

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lot more fuel for the fires. Yep. So good news.

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Speaker 3: A lot of the water reservoirs are above their average levels,

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00:53:29,039 --> 00:53:31,519
which is good for fighting the fires. Bad news, it's

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00:53:31,559 --> 00:53:33,119
hard to get fucking get it there. Yeah, of course,

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00:53:33,239 --> 00:53:35,079
really hard to get the water. Yeah, which I kind

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00:53:35,079 --> 00:53:37,719
of keep saying. You know, people freaking out about not

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00:53:37,760 --> 00:53:39,559
being able to put the fires out, Like, I don't

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think that a lot of respect is being put on.

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Speaker 2: You know how hard it is.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, ugh, he is back to this just a

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few more. Someone asked, did it seem to go in

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slow motion or was it more like a quick motion

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of you sticking it's sticking its eye with your thumb

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00:53:56,320 --> 00:53:58,840
and getting away. She said, everything happened in real time,

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00:53:59,000 --> 00:54:01,239
no distortions at all. Well, I knew that I should

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survive this. I'd have one hell of a story to tell,

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so I made the conscious decision to note remember every

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possible details. I write it all down if I made

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00:54:07,360 --> 00:54:10,079
it out of there. So I did. Someone said, how

1222
00:54:10,079 --> 00:54:12,400
have you recovered physically? Sorry to ask this, but what

1223
00:54:12,480 --> 00:54:16,280
specific injuries or damage did you actually suffer. She said,

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if you didn't know about the attack and saw me

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00:54:17,800 --> 00:54:20,239
in the street, you probably wouldn't even look twice. Kimberly

1226
00:54:20,320 --> 00:54:22,760
Lee is one hell of a good plastic surgeon, but

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I suffered some pretty gruesome injuries to my face and head.

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In fact, in the er pictures, you can't even tell

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I'm a human being. I've had doctors look at the

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picture and turn it around to figure out where the

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face is. And basically what happened is that the bare

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00:54:35,960 --> 00:54:39,079
charge grab me by the ears and bit into my face.

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In doing so, it destroyed the bridge of my nose,

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00:54:42,000 --> 00:54:46,519
tore off my ears, chewed out fourteen teeth Jesus, and

1235
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much of my upper gums and palette. It also ripped

1236
00:54:49,920 --> 00:54:52,239
off my lips and tore apart my face and scalp.

1237
00:54:52,719 --> 00:54:55,559
Kimberly Lee estimated that she put in over a thousand

1238
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stitches into my head and face during the first surgery.

1239
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Linked to this post on Reddit because she links to

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some images, so she posts pictures of her right after

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00:55:06,280 --> 00:55:10,079
surgery and her today, and some ear picks.

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Speaker 2: Are there, like photos like the ones we got from Germy.

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00:55:13,679 --> 00:55:15,320
Speaker 1: I have not looked and I don't want to. After

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00:55:15,360 --> 00:55:17,679
seeing the pictures of Jeremy's face after he got attacked.

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Speaker 2: I'm all said, I definitely want to look into that.

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00:55:19,840 --> 00:55:20,679
Speaker 1: Well, I'll send you the link.

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00:55:20,840 --> 00:55:23,119
Speaker 2: What, just let me see her computer in a couple minutes.

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We're not recording all the.

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Speaker 1: Time, all right, okay, last one, When you first got

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00:55:28,079 --> 00:55:29,599
to the fire station, what did you say and do?

1251
00:55:29,920 --> 00:55:31,719
What did your dogs do once you called them over?

1252
00:55:31,880 --> 00:55:34,199
And did they survive? She said? When I got to

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00:55:34,280 --> 00:55:36,159
the fire station, my big concern was that when they

1254
00:55:36,199 --> 00:55:38,239
saw me, they'd faint, So I decided to try to

1255
00:55:38,639 --> 00:55:41,760
go for levity. So walk in the garage bay and yelled, honey,

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00:55:41,760 --> 00:55:45,079
I'm home. Then proceeded to give them every bit of

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00:55:45,079 --> 00:55:50,239
personal info I could remember my name. But first off,

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00:55:50,280 --> 00:55:52,920
they both lived. Her dogs not that much worse for wear.

1259
00:55:53,280 --> 00:55:55,599
Once I called them, they came running. I don't remember

1260
00:55:55,679 --> 00:55:57,159
much after that, but there was a lot of firm

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00:55:57,199 --> 00:55:59,960
blood and growling and yelping. They diverted the bare law

1262
00:56:00,159 --> 00:56:02,920
enough for me to get up and escape. And there

1263
00:56:03,000 --> 00:56:05,199
also is a picture of her with her two dogs,

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00:56:05,239 --> 00:56:08,760
which Nicols show you right now. No, she's got a wolfhound.

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00:56:08,880 --> 00:56:12,440
Oh no, fre huge dogs.

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00:56:12,480 --> 00:56:14,119
Speaker 2: So if you're gonna have bears defending you from a

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00:56:14,199 --> 00:56:16,079
black bear. There's the ones you want.

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00:56:16,559 --> 00:56:18,960
Speaker 1: What he said, if you're a bears defending you from a.

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00:56:18,920 --> 00:56:20,880
Speaker 2: Black bear, that would also be helpful.

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00:56:21,000 --> 00:56:22,559
Speaker 1: If you had a polar bear to defend you against the.

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00:56:22,519 --> 00:56:25,760
Speaker 2: Black well, those are bears. To be fair, her.

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00:56:25,679 --> 00:56:27,719
Speaker 1: Dogs are ginormous. They're bigger than her. Yeah.

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00:56:27,800 --> 00:56:29,840
Speaker 2: I mean when you have a dog that makes a

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00:56:29,920 --> 00:56:30,719
mastiff look small.

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00:56:31,440 --> 00:56:32,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's saying something. Yeah.

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00:56:33,079 --> 00:56:37,159
Speaker 3: Al yeah, fuck dude, good for her.

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00:56:37,239 --> 00:56:38,760
Speaker 1: You keep messing up. If you had a dog to

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00:56:38,760 --> 00:56:41,119
make a bear look small, he said, if you had

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a doctor.

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Speaker 2: Wall, they might, they might.

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00:56:43,800 --> 00:56:47,480
Speaker 3: They might make a fucking barre look small. They're about

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00:56:47,480 --> 00:56:49,440
the same size as a brown bear. Yeah, I got

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00:56:49,440 --> 00:56:49,920
black bear.

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00:56:49,960 --> 00:56:53,920
Speaker 2: Fuck me. I gotta go to works then. Okay, my

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00:56:53,920 --> 00:56:54,639
brain's not working.

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00:56:54,679 --> 00:56:56,639
Speaker 1: Okay, actual last one. Have you ever thought of getting

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00:56:56,679 --> 00:56:59,719
back at him and getting revenge? She said no. In fact,

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00:56:59,800 --> 00:57:02,280
I rather identified with the beast inasmuch as it struck

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00:57:02,320 --> 00:57:05,119
me that it was a refugee seeking a safe haven,

1290
00:57:05,559 --> 00:57:07,920
just as I was. It was tracked for several days,

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00:57:07,920 --> 00:57:09,559
but the hunters were unable to catch it.

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Speaker 2: Damn.

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00:57:10,800 --> 00:57:14,039
Speaker 1: I fully believe this one because there's a book and

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00:57:14,239 --> 00:57:17,480
pictures and other people corroborating it. So yeah, a lot

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00:57:17,519 --> 00:57:20,440
of evidence. Yeah, yeah, I believe it. Yeah, And there's

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00:57:20,480 --> 00:57:22,039
pictures of her with her dogs.

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00:57:22,079 --> 00:57:25,719
Speaker 2: And there's your pictures and yeah, surgery pictures like yeah.

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00:57:25,519 --> 00:57:30,119
Speaker 1: So I, like I said, will link to these things

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00:57:30,159 --> 00:57:33,639
in the episode description, but yeah.

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00:57:33,360 --> 00:57:36,960
Speaker 3: Scary can happen to anyone anytime, and there's a lot

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00:57:36,960 --> 00:57:39,639
of I mean we look into attack stories all the time,

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00:57:39,679 --> 00:57:41,119
Like none of these were ever in the news or

1303
00:57:41,159 --> 00:57:42,159
well I'm sure they were.

1304
00:57:42,039 --> 00:57:43,360
Speaker 1: In the news, but it was like back in two

1305
00:57:43,360 --> 00:57:44,280
thousand and eight, so I.

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00:57:44,239 --> 00:57:47,880
Speaker 3: Well this one was there were like more recent ones, yeah,

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00:57:47,880 --> 00:57:49,159
this one from June.

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00:57:48,960 --> 00:57:51,280
Speaker 2: Or July of oh yeah the dog, Yeah exactly.

1309
00:57:51,360 --> 00:57:54,000
Speaker 3: I mean, like we aren't in on this stuff, and

1310
00:57:55,280 --> 00:57:57,039
we don't hear about every single one, Like it couldn't

1311
00:57:57,079 --> 00:57:59,719
happen to anyone at anytime, damn near anywhere when it

1312
00:57:59,760 --> 00:58:00,920
comes to black bears.

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00:58:01,239 --> 00:58:03,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, I you know, especially now that I'm technically a

1314
00:58:04,000 --> 00:58:06,000
zoo keeper, I really want to do like a zoo

1315
00:58:06,119 --> 00:58:09,360
story of like or an episode of like zoo keepers

1316
00:58:09,360 --> 00:58:11,559
telling their stories. But I'm conscious of the fact that

1317
00:58:11,599 --> 00:58:13,679
people who work at zoos might not want to talk

1318
00:58:13,719 --> 00:58:15,800
about the times that they've fucked up at zoos or

1319
00:58:15,840 --> 00:58:19,079
like how there's zoo may have had like a you know,

1320
00:58:20,119 --> 00:58:20,880
thanks getting out or.

1321
00:58:20,840 --> 00:58:23,320
Speaker 3: Whatever when the zoo itself screwed up, or the zoo

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00:58:23,400 --> 00:58:27,480
keepers themselves, because if everything out of zoo goes as plan.

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00:58:27,360 --> 00:58:30,719
Speaker 1: Planned, you're never getting been correct. Yeah, well, yeah, I

1324
00:58:30,760 --> 00:58:34,280
thought that'd be a fun like you know, diversions from

1325
00:58:34,320 --> 00:58:36,880
just like me looking up actual attacks and just looking

1326
00:58:36,920 --> 00:58:38,400
at Reddit and seeing what they got. But there were

1327
00:58:38,440 --> 00:58:41,199
some good ones trickled in. Yeah, I'm sure there's a

1328
00:58:41,239 --> 00:58:43,960
billion more because Reddit is a crazy large.

1329
00:58:43,760 --> 00:58:46,880
Speaker 2: Place exactly, and I'm sure you could find some awesome

1330
00:58:47,320 --> 00:58:49,440
zoo keeper stories that you're talking about from like people

1331
00:58:49,440 --> 00:58:51,840
who have anonymous accounts, Like, yeah, maybe I will.

1332
00:58:51,679 --> 00:58:53,400
Speaker 1: Try to look into that. Maybe that'll be our next episode.

1333
00:58:53,440 --> 00:58:54,599
Speaker 3: I don't know, I don't know how to be able

1334
00:58:54,639 --> 00:58:56,599
to you know, check it down obviously, but I'm sure

1335
00:58:56,599 --> 00:58:58,239
there's something out there.

1336
00:58:58,360 --> 00:59:09,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, of course. All right, Well that is it for

1337
00:59:09,360 --> 00:59:11,760
today's episode. Thank you all once again for being patient

1338
00:59:11,800 --> 00:59:13,960
while I've been ill and continue to be ill throughout this.

1339
00:59:13,960 --> 00:59:15,639
Thank you so much to our editor Jesse Walsh for

1340
00:59:15,760 --> 00:59:17,519
editing out wanting to get tissues.

1341
00:59:17,199 --> 00:59:19,079
Speaker 2: During that hopefully. Yeah.

1342
00:59:20,280 --> 00:59:22,679
Speaker 1: Yeah, so if it is, that's why I need a

1343
00:59:22,719 --> 00:59:25,800
lot of tissues. You can find all the links that

1344
00:59:25,840 --> 00:59:27,599
I mentioned in the episode description, as well as links

1345
00:59:27,639 --> 00:59:30,079
to our social media, our website Getta livepodcast dot com,

1346
00:59:30,119 --> 00:59:35,119
where you can get merch and other stuff. It's been

1347
00:59:35,159 --> 00:59:41,079
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1348
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1349
00:59:44,239 --> 00:59:47,159
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1350
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1351
00:59:50,440 --> 00:59:52,599
and we'll be back in hopefully two weeks with another

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Animal of Attack story.

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Speaker 3: The incidents in collectually speaking,