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I like to welcome to the show, Lisa Williams.
Speaker 3: Hey, Lisa, Oh, thank you so much. It's nice to
be here. I'm good.
Speaker 2: Thank you so much for coming on the show.
Speaker 1: I've been I was watching a lot of your TV.
You did a lot of television back in the days
as a psychic medium in the nineties. It looks like
it's like nineties, early two thousands stuff.
Speaker 3: Yeah, early, it was early two thousand. It is two
thousand and six that I started came over here, and
it's my twenty years in America this year.
Speaker 1: Really yeah, wow, Yeah, that's fantastic.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I was kind of thrown onto the whole TV
scene and it was just a real it was really
new for me. I'd never done anything like it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's well.
Speaker 1: Yeah, in the late nineties early two thousands, there was
a lot of you know, psychic shows and James Van
Prague and John Edwards and those guys.
Speaker 2: Everybody was what Sylvia.
Speaker 1: Brown had around back in the day. All these people
had a different shows, so it was all the rage
back then. But I think that was kind of the
starting point though, of this stuff. And that's Sally point
in the sense of like making it, normalizing it and
pulling it out from the back of the corner of
the occult bookstore or the carnival.
Speaker 3: You know, that's what we came from under, from out
of our tent with our crystal ball and our big
ear rings and our tied diye a velvet cloaks.
Speaker 2: Lots of velvet, lot of crush, velvet of crush.
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh. Yeah, yeah, you know it was and
I think, you know, for me, I grew up watching
the TV like John Edward, James Van Prug, Silvery Brown.
And when I got the opportunity to come over to America,
you know, you say, you say yes to opportunities, and
I came over and I was not expecting it to
be this like crazy time in my life, because truly
what happened is I think everybody just went, oh my god,
I believe it. I believe it. I believe it, And
now it's everywhere. So there's there's part of me that
feels really proud to actually have been part of that,
I guess pathway for other people to develop their own abilities,
but it was kind of a it was a little
daunting at the time. It really was.
Speaker 1: Girlfriend, I completely understand what you're saying, because this is
this is daunting at times doing this, So I, in
a different way understand your path for sure. So let's
go back for a second. When did you When did
you first realize that you had this these gifts or
these abilities. And when I say those gifts and abilities,
I want to really preface it to say that everybody
has these abilities, everyone has the ability to have We're
all connected.
Speaker 2: It's just some of us have it.
Speaker 1: Like just like Michael Jordan could play basketball, you and
I could play basketball.
Speaker 2: But not like Michael Jordan could. You know.
Speaker 1: It's like, you know, so that kind of thing. So
I just want to preface that because a lot of people,
you know, put people put psychic mediums, channelers, mystics up
on a pedestal, and what we try to do is say, no, look, guys, everyone.
Speaker 2: Can do this.
Speaker 1: They might be ahead down the road a little bit
and they're here to guide you.
Speaker 2: Would you agree with all.
Speaker 3: That I completely agree with that. And actually what I
always say is everyone can sing. Some people, you know,
may not want to get out of the gym, the
shower singing. You know, that's their little comfort zone. And
some people are the karaoke singers that can go on
with a little bit of work, they can go on
and be whoever in the world. But I do feel
that we all have a calling, and we all have
an ability. We all have this intuitive ability. We all
have those moments where we go, huh, did that really
happen or was that a sign? Or am I really
feeling my loved one around me? And then there's some
people that want to go on and develop it. Now
I will say, there are some amazing individuals that have
not been born gifted or born into it and have
gone on to just develop it, and it's just been incredible. So,
you know, I think I first to answer your question,
I think I first realized, you know, I didn't know
it was a gift. I thought we all had it.
My grandmother was a psychic medium, my aunt did paranormal investigations,
so it was part of the family really, you know,
it was just kind of a normal thing that we did.
Speaker 1: So it wasn't so you so your journey and I
since I've spoken to so many you know, psychics, mediums, channelers,
these and people who are born into certain families, certain communities,
certain religions, like I was just speaking to one that
yesterday that was a Greek Orthodox and his family completely
has He's been ousted from the family because he wanted
to go down this round. So you actually, in your
soul blueprint said, you know what, I'm good with that.
Let me go into a situation where everyone's going to
be like, this is cool.
Speaker 2: Hey you oh, you've got the gift too.
Speaker 1: Let's walk it out as opposed to that's the devil's work,
get out well.
Speaker 2: And that's two different paths as well.
Speaker 1: I'm assuming it's not it's all been peaches and cream
all the way. But you know what I mean, you.
Speaker 3: Know, my listen, my dad was the biggest skeptic going.
I gotta tell you, you know, he was actually my greatest
gift because he was constantly saying to me, you know,
I don't believe in this, I don't believe in this.
My mom was completely open, but I almost had to
prove myself a love on myself up to be like
my grandmother, because my grandmother was like apparent, you know, incredible.
But my dad. I never forget my dad actually saying
we had a massive argument and he basically said I'm
not coming to support you, and I was really upset
and then we had this big argument. Anyway, he came
and he sat there. He went to Wayne Dyer's event,
he went to you know, Brian Weiss's, and then he
sat in with me and he was like, well, you know,
there might be something to this thing, but I'm going
to go and see the man with that it doesn't
wear shoes on stage where I played golf with, which
was Wayne Dyer. And I was like, okay, And I
never forget. One year he came to Australia with me
and he searched every theater, you know, for hidden cameras,
for audio devices. He searched the backstage, even looked in
my ear before I went on stage too if I
had a hidden like little earpiece, and I said no.
And at the end of that whole show run of
shows we did twelve in a row, he said, you
know what, I've got to believe you, he said, because
I sat next to someone who had a reading I've
questioned people, is that I've got to believe you.
Speaker 1: So there's two questions there I have that I want
two follow up questions to that.
Speaker 2: One.
Speaker 1: I find it fascinating as a father not to I mean,
to go so hard into not believing your daughter, like
I have kids. So I mean, there's a certain exec skepticism,
but at a certain point I personally, through my path,
I would have just like, Okay, I get this.
Speaker 2: But that's one.
Speaker 1: Two though, the follow up question is what causes someone
to have such a skeptical point of view on something.
Is it one because they don't want to believe, they're
afraid that it's actually true, or two it really just
shakes their foundation of the story that they've told themselves
of how the world works. That I cannot and that's
it could get to an extreme where I have to
fight you about it, or like it's kind of like
my God's better than your God kind of come up right, it's.
Speaker 3: You know, I think I've done a lot of thinking
about this, and me and my mom have spoken about
it many times, and I love my dad and he
I think he's scared. I think there's a real depth
of his fear here. And I think at the beginning,
when I first started, it was all about saving face,
because you know, if he went to the golf club
and you know, all of his guys were there, and
he was like, but what am I going to tell
them at the golf club, I'm like, I speak to
dead people. And then he saw one of his friends
who was at the golf club come out of my office.
He's like, what was he doing here? I went the
same as most of my other clients, and he went no.
And so I think there was that element of saving face,
but it really shakes his core belief. My dad's a
big atheist, doesn't want doesn't want to believe in God,
doesn't believes that. You know, if there was a god,
why would they take children? Why would there be this political,
you know dispute, why would all of this be happening.
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Speaker 3: And you know, the more And it's interesting as he's
getting older, he's seventy eight, now hates his birthday and
realizes I think he's realizing he's getting to that older
age and he now has to face this potential of
you know, we're all going to pass away at some point,
and I think it shakes him. I think it really
does he My dad is so fearful of death, and
which is ironic here because his daughter lives and swims
in death every day. And I think I find death
such a beautiful experience, and it's such a and it
sounds really bizarre, but I think it can be such
an incredible experience if you are blessed to be part
of that ritual of passing. But my dad's just being
for it, and I think that's one of the reasons
why he's so skeptical.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's closer to the end than he is to
the beginning.
Speaker 1: Is essentially at this point in the game, you know,
And I think that's you know, you and I seem
to be a similar vintage.
Speaker 2: So I love that we're a similar vintage.
Speaker 1: And even us, we're we're now midway, and I understand,
I understand why all of a sudden midway at best
case scenarios, you know, God knows where we're going to be,
and with technology and advancements in all medicine and all
that stuff's going to be. But but I understand the
midlife crisis, the midlife question.
Speaker 2: I get it.
Speaker 1: I was told about the I don't have a ferrari no,
no pun intended. You know, I'm not chasing you know,
young women and none of that stuff.
Speaker 2: I'm exhausted. I couldn't. I couldn't.
Speaker 1: No, No, I have too much work to do, I
have no time. But I but I, but I understand
that idea and it starts to question. You start to
question a whole lot of things. And just like you,
I swim in this scenario all the time. It's something
I think about all the time. It's it's in my
work on a daily basis, so for me it's also
and it's like a questioning of like I feel comfortable
with death.
Speaker 2: I don't like everyone.
Speaker 1: I always liked the joke because like everybody wants to
go to heaven, just not right now.
Speaker 2: And it's a true story, it's a very true story.
Speaker 1: But I but I, but I understand that. And now
that my my parents are of that age as well,
one is more comfortable with it, my mom than my dad.
My dad is very much like your father.
Speaker 2: Yeah, terrified not atheists, but.
Speaker 1: Atheist adjacent understands like raised in Catholic and Christian ideas,
and stuff like that.
Speaker 3: But I wonder just part of me wonders, because obviously
I see this every day. Part of me wonders if
it's the feminine just being so accepting of where they are,
and if it's the men that masculine energy of fight, fight,
you know, push, push, control. And I think it's that
it's interesting with the dynamic of masculine and feminine because
I see it. Yet my husband, who is younger than
I am, he's really comfortable with death, you know. I
mean he was ex military now of twenty years and
he's you know, so he's seen a lot around. But
I think it's a very interesting, especially that generation. You know,
I've seen so much of it in that generation where
there's a lot of this is how it should be,
this is what the Bible says, this is where you know,
it's it's how it was, how it was laid out
for them. It's just interesting.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's a story that they were told and
it's a story that they held on to some difficult
times because they you know.
Speaker 2: That generation was raised through very difficult times.
Speaker 1: Not that this is peaches and cream right now for us,
but we were different. We have a different experience, and
these younger generations coming up there are not buying any
of it.
Speaker 3: No, no, they're not.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and even when they are told it, they're just like,
don't know, things like it's interesting to see.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, I actually have a lot of my
staff are in that younger generation, and I have two
adult children now, and you know, I love the fact
that they're coming up with their own thoughts, their own minds,
their own ideas. And I remember actually saying to my
one of my members of staff, who has become like
a daughter to me. She said, I said, I just
want to apologize for a generation, you know, because we
have like this is how you've got to do it,
because that's how it was impressed upon us. But the
fact that you know, she was born into a very
very religious background, you know, there was a space with
her parents, and now she's actually trained as a psychic
medium and she now works for obviously me in the school.
It's very interesting how there's still a little rigidity in
the dynamics there. But I think that the younger generation
are born knowing there's just this, They're aware of it.
They're just so aware of the energy and how everything's
moving and changing, and if we think about it, they're
our future and we really do have to nurture that
because they're the ones that are going to be making
decisions for us when we are older and maybe we can't.
So I always try to guide them in the right
right way.
Speaker 1: It's just Yeah, during your early years doing this, did
you ever feel before you started doing it as a
as a career or as part of your life purpose,
when you discovered that, I'm assuming the first time you
saw that person or starting getting you said, oh, yeah,
this is the way I'm supposed to go.
Speaker 2: How did that actually go?
Speaker 3: Free?
Speaker 2: I mean, you weren't, but you.
Speaker 1: Were introduced to all of this stuff by your grandmother
and in aspects of your family, So it wasn't like,
what's happening?
Speaker 2: What did you feel? It was abud?
Speaker 3: No, it kind of was because my grandmother, you know,
my grandmother, we always had this, We had a certain
code that we had to knock on the door in
a certain way because she knew it was us. And
then you know, and we were not allowed to touch
these particular cards. We weren't allowed to sit in this
seat because it was sacred, you know, And so it
was it was kind of a little bit weird really
if you think about it. Back in the eighties and nineties,
and I remember she passed away before any of this
really developed in me. And I remember sitting with her
and I was nineteen, and she sat me down on
the special seat that was sacred, and she tapped her
finger on the on the table and she said, I'm
going to read for you, but if I see my
own death, I'm stopping. And I was like, oh, so
that was actually my first introduction to it. And she said,
you are going to be You're going to be famous,
you're going to be in America, you're going to be
on TV, You're going to marry someone in the military
or in a uniform. And she said, and you are
going to continue with my work. And I went there went,
no way, I'm speaking to dead people. I don't do that. No, no, no, no, no, no, no.
And so I kind of had that moment. But what
was interesting is I always knew looking back, I always
knew at school when things were going to happen, and
that intuitive part of it was very, you know, very
much alive in me. But when I first saw my
first dead person, that I that when I was older.
You know, I'd seen them when I was much younger,
but when I first saw it when I was older.
I'm sitting and i'd had a few drinks and we'd
been out for the night and it was a you know,
I had a girlfriend and we came back and she
said I can't drive. I said, well, you're going to
have to stay over. And we were in bed and
we were just like because I said, you know, the
spare room isn't you know, whatever, so you don't have
to sleep with me. So I was sitting there and
she said, you know you're a medium. Oh and yeah, okay,
and she said, no, you're a medium. I was like, okay.
And then I just suddenly looked over by the closet
and I said, there's a man standing over there, and
she said, tell me more, tell me more. I said, well,
he's like your dad. He's not your dad, but he
died of a heart attack. And I don't know what
else to say because he's just staring at me. And
she said, my adopted dad died of a heart attack.
And I was like oh, and I didn't know what
else to say, and so it really shocked me at
that point. It shocked me. And that was the first
experience that I had. And then and then it was
shortly after that that I did a paid reading. What
was were my first paid reading that it really freaked
me out, and I just didn't know what I was doing.
It was like fumbling in the dark. I had no
idea what I was doing. But it became this thing
that I just fell into and before I knew it,
everyone was coming from miles around. I had a you know,
a waiting list of months and it was insane. So
I guess the gift chose me. I didn't really choose
this work.
Speaker 1: Sounds like it was almost laid out on a platter
for you totally. Yeah, you didn't have to like hustle
and struggle and all that. Like it was just like
here you go, now you're doing the work.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's exactly it, you know. And what was interesting
with it is I remember my grandmother always saying to me,
you'll never have to advertise. She said, remember you don't advertise,
you always do worth of mouth.
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Speaker 3: And you know, I was only thinking about this recently,
and I was like, Yeah, you know what, Nan, We're
now in twenty twenty six and now it's social media
and everything else that is a form of interviews, everything else.
But She's been right. I've never had to hustle. I've
never had to It's always been laid on this plate,
so to speak. And the more I've dived into my
soul calling, and the more I've dived into, you know,
my life choices and what I chose, the more I
truly realize is that obviously I chose this pathway, you know,
and it became this enlightened experience, and in so many
ways touching people now has just been in the best
part of my life, being able to help some and
be a facet of someone's healing, which I think has
been just so beautiful in a way.
Speaker 4: What is the hardest truth you've ever had to deliver
to somebody in a reading? Oh, and then we'll follow
that one, which is the funniest?
Speaker 3: Okay, Well, the hardest truth was recently. The hardest truth
was recently. I had been working with a client of
mine for quite some time and I hadn't heard from her,
and then I got a message from her husband saying
that she was in ICU, and she said he said
to me and said I would love a reading. And
I was like, oh no, no, no, no no, And
all I could all I knew is that she was
going to pass. As soon as you told me she
was in ICU, I was like, she's going to pass.
So he came. He we did a reading, and interesting enough,
while she was still alive, she still came through and
she was discussed. She was talking to me and she
was talking in a you know, I know the difference
when they're alive and when they've crossed over. And it
was a really hard space because I had to I
was never going to give him I was never going
to take his hope away. But I had to prepare
him for what was the inevitable. And that was a
really hard space. And that was really devastating. And she
passed two days after that. But in a way, what
was really remarkable was that he went back prepared. So
when she did have the brain hemorrhage and then they
took her off dialysis and she you know, there was
she only survived like five minutes after that, there was
a preparation in him, and you know, and it's hard
to think that now that was the situation. It's only
been a couple of weeks and I read for him
and the family just last week, and the way that
they were prepared, the way that they held it together,
was unbelievable, And I think that was one of the
hardest truths that I've had to really step into.
Speaker 2: Before we get to the funniest.
Speaker 1: Can we just talk about the ethics of being a
psychic medium, which is so important because I've had horrible
readings when I was in my twenties, Like people were
like telling me things that.
Speaker 2: They shouldn't have.
Speaker 1: You know, you don't from what I understand, you don't go, yeah,
you're going to die on March seventh, two thousand and
forty six, at around twelfth twenty, right, like you that's
not something that supposedly you're supposed to do.
Speaker 2: So can you just talk about.
Speaker 1: The ethics and also for people who are searching, because
if they're watching this, they're probably interested or thinking about
doing a reading with someone if it's not you, or
with somebody else. To kind of protect them and to
have discernment on this is this psychic medium? Right for me,
because just because you have the abilities of being a
psychic medium, doesn't make you a good person.
Speaker 3: Correct, correct?
Speaker 1: You know?
Speaker 3: And I'm glad that you brought this up, actually, Alex,
because I think this is one of the things that
I really stand for, is the ethical part of it.
I have had to I have I have shared many
times that someone is going to pass, but not in
the way that I am saying it to you, where
sometimes I have said, oh, I'm being shown yet you
know a certain color roses and I'm being told this,
and then looking back on hindsight, you know that's exactly
what happened in those roses meant death to that person.
So there has been a couple of times and instances
where that's happened. But in reality, if when it comes
to ethics, I'm never going I always ask do you
want to know everything? I'm known for that. I asked
it on every TV show. I ask in every reading,
I make sure and then what I do is throughout
the reading I ask for micro consent all the way.
So I'm constantly asking are you okay to receive this? Because,
as we know, with nervous systems and neuroscience, which I
studied a huge amount since the pandemic, I've gone into
this and I've realized that as much as people say yes, yes, yes,
I want to know their nervous system can't cope with it.
I am not here, and I think one of the
biggest things here is I'm not here to ruin someone's life,
because you know this. And I've had it where my
husband's going off to Afghanistan and she said, if your
husband goes Throughfaghanistan, he will not come home alive. And
I will tell you that devastated me. You kill and
you know it was someone I trusted to do a
reading with me as well, and that was a very
hard space. So whenever we're in that place, I always
ask for this micro consent. I always constantly ask. I'm
always watching for signs and their cues of their body,
not necessarily body language, but their nervous system. And I
will always I always feel like I'm carrying the life
their life in the palm of my hands, not just
for that hour that they're with me, but for the
rest of their life, because I will guarantee the betam
that they can remember everything that a psychic has told
them twenty years ago. But you can't remember what you
have for dinner last night because it's so emotional, and
people are going to remember it how they want to
remember it. So there's times in my readings I don't
do as traditional reading where I'm like, be quiet. I
encourage communication because for me, we're dealing with some real
tragic stuff, and I've had to in my work. I've
actually studied trauma because of the amount of people that
I get who have massive amounts of trauma that come
along and I sit with them and I'm like, okay,
we're going to have a conversation here, you know, and
we step in and then they're cycling and cycling. I say,
do you want to know where this has come from?
So then we dive back and sometimes we go into
childhood and so we're seeing these moments, sometimes childhood wounds
come up. But there's always these little micro consents that
we have to have because it's ethics. And so I
would say to anybody if they are listening and they're
thinking about going see a psychic medium, you have to
trust your own instincts. Just because you know somebody said
this person's amazing, it doesn't always mean that they're right
for you. And you that psychic medium that healo, that
teacher has to create a safe container for you, safe
container to hold your emotion, and that, to me is
so powerful. And so I think it's really about trusting
your own instinct before you actually jump in and book
an appointment with.
Speaker 1: Somebody beautifully said beautifully, sir, Yeah, thank you, So your
your ability. You're saying that you saw that stepfather in
the corner. Is that just out of curiosity? Because everyone's different.
Some people just hear, some people see smell all the clears.
Do you just walk around seeing dead people? There? Is
there anybody here right now?
Speaker 2: Like, is uncle Bob here?
Speaker 3: Well? You know what's funny if you just said that
it's anyone here? I was like, oh, his grandfather is there.
But no, I don't. I don't want to because honestly,
I think I'll be six ft under with them at
that point. It would drive me absolutely crazy. But I
do feel a grandfather here for you. I'm just saying
hello from your granddad, but without without going it was.
Speaker 2: Anyway, he's starting, he's starting to chat you up, isn't he.
Speaker 3: Yes, he's very chatty.
Speaker 2: Tell him to hold off. We'll talk later.
Speaker 3: I'm like, dude, anyway, it's so interesting, Oh my gosh,
it really is a chatterbox, isn't he. It's like he's
the something.
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, okay, so let me ask you this then.
All right, So now he's talking to you. This is
a real world experience right now, your world. So my
grandfather's there chatting you. You're trying to have a conversation
with me. Can you put the clothes sign up for
a minute ago?
Speaker 2: Hey, just relax, Yes I can. Okay, you can't do that?
Speaker 3: Yes, and I do, and I absolutely do, and I've
just had to do it. But when some of them
sometimes they want to come in really really strong, and
you know, in a way, I was gearing up for this.
I was kind of aware that someone may come in
and I'm open to it at this point. But in
everyday experiences, you know, when I'm driving, when I'm in yoga,
when I'm going to the store, I don't want to
speak to them. You know, I want to live my life. Yeah,
And honestly that's what I do. You know, you can
switch it on, you can switch it off.
Speaker 2: I apologize for my grandfather.
Speaker 3: He's very proud of you, by the way, and he's
really glad that you followed the dream. I was like Okay, fine,
that's amazing.
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Speaker 2: Okay, so let me ask you.
Speaker 1: You know, we've been talking a lot about the smaller
aspect of like that's a smaller but the micro aspect
of it. But let's get into the macro because there's
a lot of stuff going on in the world. When
you tune into humanity right now, what is the feeling
that is coming because there is a lot of fear
out there.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's a lot of fear. And I'm really glad
that you asked that question because when I tap into humanity,
and it's actually a conversation I've had many times, is
that we're in a massive shift. We're in a complete shift,
and it's been happening for the last several years. And
as I'm talking about it, I literally have full body
chills right now. And I do feel that old Paradigm's
old constructs are leaving. It's like this, there is a
dissolution of a regime that is dissolving before our eyes,
and that we are having an infiltration of energy, of
new energy, whether you want to call it a new age,
whatever you want to call it, but new energy influxing
in and the advances of science that is happening right now.
And this has actually been channeled to me right now.
But the advances of science that is happening, you bring
that in with the old laws of spirituality. We're getting
a new wave in the world. We're getting a new wave,
and we're actually starting to see how humanity should be working.
But all of this fighting and all of this destruction
is actually paving the way for the new world to
actually be upon us.
Speaker 1: That makes a lot of sense because you have to
kind of well, I mean, like any like a forest fire. Yeah,
fire has to happen in order. I think it's in
the I think it's pine trees. I'm not sure if
it's pine trees or there is a tree that their
seeds do not get released until they are burned, and
they are so when there is a forest fire, all
those seeds go into the ashes and all the new
ones come up.
Speaker 2: So it is part of nature.
Speaker 1: I mean, if you see sometimes things get overgrown, there's
too many trees or too many things fighting for two
many resources in a specific set of land. Nature comes
in and goes no, no, no, there's a we're out
of balance here. We have to clear out some stuff naturally,
and yes, it's because there is an equal balance in nature,
even with you know, predators and prey and all of
that stuff. But when the balance gets shifted, and a
lot of times that balance get shifted by us, you know,
I mean you you're in Florida. I come from Florida.
When I was growing up, there were no anacondas in
the ever Glades, and now there are ana conda's in
the Everglades, and now they have become the apex predator
and the alligator is suffering because he doesn't know because
he's not supposed to be there. So they're out of balance.
So I use that as an example of the how
we're as humanity. The world is so out of balance,
so we have So do you do you agree that
a lot of the insanity, and it is insanity that
is happening right now, it's not only needed, but it
has to happen in order for the new to come along,
because you kind of need these bulls. And there are
many bulls in China, shops.
Speaker 3: All around the world, all around the world.
Speaker 1: Breaking things left and right. So they're breaking things that
we would rather not have broken and other things that
absolutely need to be broken. But it's kind of like
a there's no scalpels here, It's all sledge.
Speaker 3: Here, right, you know. It's a great way of putting it.
And in all fairness, I think if we if we
understand the mind, and I think we have to understand
the mind right now. The mind is our realm of safety.
We our mind is geared to keep us safe. And
so whatever has culturally kept us safe, you've had You've
had a life, I've had a life, people and everyone's
had a different life. We have cultural differences, and so
our cultural differences have formulated what we perceive to be
safe or unsafe, and our lived experiences perceive us to
be safe or unsafe. So our brain has a reference point.
So anything outside of that that is going on that
we are not comfortable with or that we sometimes are
struggling with, our brain's going to go and have this
freak out. But reality, when we connect into the soul
and we actually take the brain away from us and
we are in that soul space and we look at
it almost from a bird's eye view of what is
actually happening in humanity, we can see that this actually
needs to happen. This needs to happen to find some
form of semblance, to find some form of balance, because
there is such an imbalance right now. And I always
say to people, whenever you've got that happening, and your
mind is racing and you're questioning the what, where, why, when, how, who,
and your soul is really struggling to actually understand what's
going on, I ask you people to take a breath
and create space between the two, because that breath will
allow you to calm and in that breath you can
find some form of understanding, in some form of balance.
But it is scary out there, and I do think
that we need this shakeup for us to find that
balance back in the world.
Speaker 1: Now when you're seeing all of these conflicts happening around
the world right now obviously as we as of this
conversation in the US is at war with Iran, and
you know Russia still in the Ukraine, and you know
the Palestindians, and there's just so many different conflicts going
on in the world. Some are pretty pretty terrifying. Yeah,
specifically the US and Iran right now, because it's not
just a local Hey, I need more land, yeah kind
of scenario. This is like, this has much bigger implications.
Speaker 2: What do you see in that?
Speaker 1: What do you see in the next five years, ten
years in regards to these Iran specifically the Iran and
God knows what other conflict that might arise any day
now somewhere else.
Speaker 3: I know, I know. I Oh, so that's a loaded question.
I think when I look at what is going to happen,
I think there's a lot more termal that we're going
to experience. I think, what's I truly believe that we've
all chosen to be born this time because our souls
are ready for this conflict. And I do think there's
going to be a lot more choices in let's talk
America right now, because this is where we both live.
But if we talk about America, I do feel that
Americans will have to have a lot more choices. And
I do feel that I keep feeling for the next
three years there's going to be some form of conflict.
So for the next three years is going to be
some form of conflict. And I keep wanting to go
to twenty twenty eight, maybe beginning of twenty twenty nine,
and I do feel that there's going to be a
lot more decisions that the American people will have, but
they have to start stepping up, and there has to
be a lot more. It's going to create us a
lot more gathering of people coming together and speaking up.
That's what's going to help us. But I do think
there's going to be a lot of And for some reason,
I just kept seeing different countries also being involved as well.
Speaker 2: In these in these in this turmoil, yeah, in this turmoil.
Speaker 1: Against us or with us, with us, with us, with
going into.
Speaker 3: It, going into it.
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't particularly this is my gut feeling.
I mean, but you're the professional.
Speaker 2: No, I mean, I don't.
Speaker 1: Believe there'll be another world World War in this in
the scope or the scope or the way we know
of it like we're doing. I don't think there's going
to be anything like that because we're just that our
technology now has become so powerful and that we can
wipe ourselves out.
Speaker 2: Yeah, very easily, very very easily.
Speaker 1: So I don't believe there is that, But I do
agree with you there's going to be there's Listen, there's
some players on the sidelines right now who have not
decided to come in yet yet.
Speaker 3: So, and that's who I think will come in. I
agree with you. I don't think there's going to be
a world war as we've known it. I think there's
going to be definitely a technology space that will be
battling as well. I don't know, you know, which is
already happening. But I do feel that we're actually going
to be okay. But I do feel that it's actually
I feel like we almost have to perceive it from
that bird's eye view and look at it for what
it is. It's almost like we're clearing out the debris
and we're being able to then move forward. But it's
very sad. It's really sad that it's happened to come
to it.
Speaker 1: We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor,
and now back to the show. Well, it's kind of
like when you see and I have to imagine, this
is what it's like for the other side to watch us,
our loved ones on the other side, our spirit guides.
Speaker 2: Our angels.
Speaker 1: It's kind of I mean, I joke that we're the
greatest reality show in the world, where like the Real
Housewives of Earth, but just like a parent when you
see a child about to make a mistake in their life.
Sometimes you have to let them make it because that's
the way they learn. And I guess that's in a
much much larger scale, that's kind of what we're going
through right now as a species and as a consciousness.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I completely agree. And I think what's also happening
is if we look at consciousness, if we look at
the way that spirituality is, what's happening is there's a
lot more people that are becoming more and more spiritual.
There's a lot more awakenings that are happening with the
certainly with the openings of plant medicine psilocybin iahuasca. You know,
people are becoming a little bit more aware, people are
ready to do the healing. People are stepping into somatic practices,
they're stepping into energy spaces. They're starting to understand where
energy works and how energy works, and we're starting to
understand consciousness. If we look at what's just happened in
the last you know, in September, when Dan Brown opened
the book of you know, the book the Secret of Secrets,
I mean, that's all about consciousness. And if we can
look at this as a whole, we are becoming more
and more aware of this consciousness space. And I feel
that there is a segue here where there's some people
that are very very logical that are staying in that
logical space, that are staying in that place, and that
is where there's a lot of discord and fighting. But
then you also have on the other side, you've got
a lot of people who are coming from that logical
place over into this more esoteric space, which is more
consciousness and aware and energy where they are seeing that
there is more that that isn't serving us, and so
they're stepping in here and they are becoming more connected.
And I think that's a really beautiful part of it.
And I think science is now proving that there is
a part where we sit that science is it's proving
what we're doing, you know, And I think this is beautiful.
So I feel like there is this there's a real
shift in the universe and the world right now in
all of this, And I feel honored to be part
of all of this whole process because it's a massive,
massive time in society.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's interesting.
Speaker 1: We have a film called First Contact with Darryl Banka Bashar.
I don't know if you're not familiar with him on our
platform and in that movie and on our next level
SOO TV. And in that movie, they actually he went
into a science in a into a with a scientist.
They plugged his head up with neurons and they actually
saw what his brain did when he channeled, and it
there was stuff that they couldn't understand what was going on,
like this shouldn't be happening.
Speaker 2: So there is something happening.
Speaker 1: And now science is starting to, like to prove your point,
science are starting to.
Speaker 2: Catch up to it.
Speaker 1: And the same I've seen things like that with psychic
mediums as well. They they trapped them in and they go,
oh wait a minute. When they're they're talking to Uncle Bob,
their brain waves shift in a way that you shouldn't
be able to control.
Speaker 3: Right, Well, if you also look at this, if you
also look at the semantic mapping of a brain. Our
brain lights up in certain areas when we're talking, but
when you're actually in a we're working in a reading,
you're getting pieces of information and just drop in of information.
So all of a sudden, you know, I might hear top,
and my brain is actually looking for a top of
a mountain, top of a car, top of this, top
of that. So my brain is lighting up like a
Christmas tree, and that's actually what's happening. And obviously the
brain waves the way that we're getting into this place.
And it's so true, and I will say what happens
with psychics and mediums. We hit this scalar energy, this
quantum energy, this universal energy. And when we're in that
scalear energy, we're just channeling. We're just a focus, We're
a force. Because I've done it where I can be
so sick before a client, before a reading, before going
on stage, and I'm on stage and in the client
and i am absolutely fine. And that is where I'm
absolutely tapped into the scalar energy. I'm tapped into universal energy,
chi prana, whatever you want to call it. And that
is what is now being picked up because we have
the technology to show it. And it's just magnificent.
Speaker 1: Mm hmm.
Speaker 2: That's beautiful.
Speaker 1: Now, what is what role will truth play in global
leadership over the next decade or so, because there has
to be a shift around the world.
Speaker 3: I agree with that, and you know, that's such a
big question, and part of me wants to believe that
we are going to be shifting into transparency and truth. Now.
As much as our governments and society are talking about, oh,
we're transparent, we're transparent, well they're limited transparency because they're
obviously just it's going to work for them. But I
do feel yeah, of course, but I feel like there's
a massive shift in the way that our leadership needs
to be in truth. And I will say this, when
Mary Ann Williamson was doing her campaign for presidency, you know,
I mean, what an amazing gift that would have been
had you know that that would have been obviously this
woman who is also very very connected into the universal energy.
But I don't feel as though society was ready and
society you know that, I don't feel as though that
was a place. But what's interesting is I feel like
it has to shift into this united front of truth.
And I do feel our leadership has to find we
have to be putting people in place that resonate for
our truth because you know, we look at it with
the gurus out there, people who have been you know,
been followed and been like just followed in just such
an adorned, worshiped worshiped, and they have let us down.
You know, they've been taking the truth, but they you know,
there's always another side to it. So I would like
to think that there's going to be truth. But truth
is really abstract. Well, I believe it's true, may not
be right for everybody else, and so I think it's
a really abstract space. But I would like to think
that there would be more transparency.
Speaker 2: And I agree with you.
Speaker 1: You said, like your truth might be different than somebody
else's truth, but true truth, like truth, universal truth. Yes,
it's gravity true. You know that you could argue all
you want. You know, I don't believe in gravity. Well,
there's certain things that are universally true. And I understand
what you mean though, Like your perception of a story
that you've created for yourself, Yeah, that makes sense to you.
Might be different than me, and that's fine, and that's
the way we're all.
Speaker 2: Trying to figure this crazy game out.
Speaker 1: It's insane, insane. This is an insane roller coaster. So
from your point of view, speaking to spirit, I mean,
this is like the ultimate ride, the ultimate school for
a soul to go through. And from what I've from
what i've seen, but what I've heard, it's a giant
celebration when someone passes because they're just like, oh man,
did you Man? You are so brave. Wow, you went
down there. Not brave, but you know what I mean,
but like that, I can't believe you did this.
Speaker 2: Like this is not easy.
Speaker 1: This is very difficult to be down here, and like
you chose to come down in the late nineties and
early two thousands and to see the birth of the
Internet and the birth of AI and all of the
other stuff and the shift of consciousness.
Speaker 2: My god, it's it's that. Is that what you see
on the other side as well? Are here?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 3: You know it's funny because I always and I'm writing
a book on this, is that we're we all have
a sole purpose and our sole purpose whatever that soul
per is that sole lesson. We've all come to learn
one core lesson. There's a sub lesson underneath, and we
were learning it in such a powerful way. And then
there's when we pass over. And I wrote a book
on this called Survival of the Soul. When we pass over,
there is it's like this cheerleading squad like, yeah, you
made it, you did it, and here's your lesson that
you had to learn. And it's so interesting because you know,
we were looking at when they're in spirit and they
look at us, it's almost like they're looking and going, ha,
you know, because we are really having these big emotional experiences.
This is a place that you learn so much emotion,
you carry so much emotion, and you have to navigate life.
It's like you're coming in blinded, blinkered, and you don't
have to be blinked. I always say, always trust your
instinct because that's going to take the blinders off and
it will give you some understanding of where things are
going to go. But I do I feel like the
spirits are actually going to say, yeah, you made it.
You made it on this roller coaster of life, and
you can stay here for a minute and then you're
going to do it again. Then we're gonna throw you back.
Speaker 2: And that's just this life.
Speaker 1: Let's not talk about parallel lives or parents in future lives.
Speaker 2: Let's never go down that road.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, I mean it's interesting when we look at it,
you know, when we look at the big grand scale
of it, how we are living all of this simultaneously.
Speaker 1: We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor
and now back to the show. It's infanta fatile like,
but you know, it's you can't even comprehend the complexity.
We can't comprehend the complexity of our body. No, you know,
it's still it's still the most perfect machine ever created
or designed on this play in it period. Yeah, but
and yet we're barely scratching the surface of understanding why
certain things happen and why other things don't. Right, And
that's just our that's just our body and nature and
nature and to see and let's not even talk about
the universe and what we're discovering about the universe and
seeing away and all that kind of stuff.
Speaker 3: It is.
Speaker 1: It's so man, if this is a computer game and
we're just we're just avatars for some alien species playing
a video game. My got the computing.
Speaker 3: Power, Yeah, exactly, exactly. You know, I've got a friend
of mine who she loves gaming, and she'll sit there
and she'll she'll sometimes say that her gaming is like
life and she loves all of this stuff, and she's like,
I can't wait to die and see what it's what
really life is like. And I'm like, that's not really
a way of doing it. She said, I'm not going
to go yet, but I'm just curious, and so I do.
I think that, and now you so right. It's it's
so bizarre.
Speaker 1: It's a bizarre video game. We're just Mario. We're just
Luigi and Mario trying to save a princess at the
end of the day, and we just have different avenues
to go down the same. So if we may, if
we may look into that crystal ball one more time
and talk about and talk about the economy and the
economic stability of the world, because that is also on
a lot of people's minds, and a lot of people
are afraid and things are shaking, Things are becoming much
more expensive, you know here in the States obviously, but
around the world because of geopolitical issues, and also a
lot of decisions that were made twenty years ago that
were starting to sense like something's coming, something's coming something.
We're way overdue in general for an economic downturn, a
major economic downtown, and I feel that it's been on
a on a just as technical aspect, it's been propped
up for a long time. And I'm not talking about
conspiracy theories. This is just economic truth, and you can
just look it up. Yes, So where do you see
us economically? And then furthermore, let's talk about money afterwards,
because I just want to hear your ideas of where
money is going, because that's a whole other. Like everything
else in the world, everything else is in flux. Why
not that right?
Speaker 3: And you know, I see it. And what I've also
seen is that money. Money is around. There's money around,
and it's how there's always money around, and it's how
we are magnetizing that money to us or what we're
doing to not necessarily earn money, but to gain money.
But I do feel if we talk about economics, I
do feel that there's going to be a damn shift.
I got to I just do. I feel as though
there's going to be a real, all real struggle and
a down shift of the economic space. And I feel
like it's gonna you know, as I look at it,
I don't want to think that we would go back
to two thousand and eight, but there is this feeling
of that things are gonna crumble again and things are
gonna shift. And I've often said to a friend of mine,
I'm like, you know, I think you need to put
your money somewhere, you know, be aware, spread the money
in different places, because I just keep seeing this. It's
like this tightness and I just keep seeing the bottom
falling away. But what's on the other side of it
is I feel again we are getting rid of old constructs,
old paradigm's, old understandings, and there's a new shift and
a new wave that is going to lead us, which
I think might be where you are taking me into
about money, because I do feel that there's almost this
new area. And that's what I'm seeing right now, is
there's this new area of money. It's almost like a
new playing field when I talk about money. But I
do feel the economy is going to struggle, and I
feel as there's almost there's going to be a real
segue between the wealthy and those who are not so wealthy,
and that's where it's going to struggle. And I've seen
it for quite some time, and I hate saying that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but it's going to be what it is.
Speaker 3: It is what it is.
Speaker 2: It is what it is.
Speaker 1: But it doesn't And we're not saying when you're saying
these things, it's not to create fear. It's just to look.
Speaker 2: You and I both lived in Florida.
Speaker 1: You live in Florida. I lived in Florida. We all
saw a hurricane coming. Yeah, you've been there what a
bunch of years, right, So you've probably experienced either the
threat of a hurricane or actually gone through it. I
went through like, I went through three direct hits or
close to direct hits in my time in Florida. The
worst thing about a hurricane, in my opinion, is knowing
that it's coming eight ten days down? Right?
Speaker 2: Is it coming? Is it not coming? Is it coming?
Speaker 1: Do we got to go to Publix to go buy
all the water like and all the that and the like.
Speaker 2: Should we put the shutters up? Should we not?
Speaker 1: That's the worst part of it for me at least.
It's horrible. And I've gone through I'd lost roofs. I mean,
I've had you know, FEMA come. I've gone through some
stuff with hurricanes and it's very difficult. Similar with this conversation,
the things that you're saying, I'm like, look, this is
going to happen.
Speaker 2: It is period.
Speaker 1: Now there is there is abilities and correct me if
I'm wrong. Shifting timelines or consciousness depending on how we
choose as a as a consciousness can't shift certain things
to certain ways here and there. Right, Yeah, Because I
heard for a long time we've there was two roads.
We could either go down the self destructive timeline and
completely just end it for humanity, or we've chosen and
as a consciousness, we've chosen to like, no, no, no,
we are going to go this other way.
Speaker 2: So we are, you know, going to be fine.
Speaker 1: But this is a rollercoaster, right that we'll have it up.
Speaker 3: To de Yeah, And I agree with that. And I
think what I would like to say is I'm bringing
awareness to a situation. And having awareness is like you
said that ten day before a hurricane hits, that you
can start preparing for the what could be. And I
think when we have awareness, and I'm all about awareness
of and that's what a psychic is. You know, we're
giving you awareness of potentialities, but it's your decisions on
what you are going to choose in where you go.
And I agree with us with what you said about humanity.
I agree that we have all collectively said no, we're
going this way, and this is exactly what we're going
to do, and this is how it's going to be.
But because we've chosen that, now we've got to get
rid of the old world and step into that new space.
I'm kind of really looking forward. I don't know why,
but to twenty twenty, two thousand and forty I feel
which sounds like a long time away, but I feel
like there's going to be a massive shift up until
two thousand and forty, and in twenty forty, I think
you're going to find something very, very, very different.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've heard, I've heard.
Speaker 1: The date that always sticks out is twenty thirty two
is the major Like, Okay, we have now made it
over the hump of all the all the crazy, and
now we're starting to move towards this other direction. It's
not going to be quick, Yeah, it's going to be slow,
but it's going to be moving in that direction, but
where the roller coaster is still going to be bumping
up until twenty thirty two.
Speaker 2: Is that what you see as well?
Speaker 3: I agree with that, Yeah, because I always see around
twenty and thirty five being a little bit more calmer,
and twenty and forty I see it being like not
necessarily a better Roses because nothing is, but definitely much different.
It's almost like we'll be looking back in do you
remember when we went through in two thousand and whenever
it was? And I think it's gonna I think it's
this part of our time will really stand stand us
in history.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 1: Another area I wanted to kind of look into the
future as well is the health and medicine. That is
fascinating to me because you know, our parents' generation was
like you wear a white coat there.
Speaker 2: God, that's just.
Speaker 1: Just the way it was. Whatever they said was you know, scripture,
and you know where my at least I'll speak for myself.
Speaker 2: I don't look at that now.
Speaker 1: I have a critical eye, am like, because I know,
I know have a lot of friends who are doctors,
have a lot of family members who are doctors, and
we have conversations.
Speaker 2: I'm like, you don't what.
Speaker 1: You don't even know the basics of nutrition and they're like, yeah,
we didn't get any because they're only taught two things.
They're essentially taught and please forgive all the please forgive
me for any doctor's watching. But it's like either prescription
of medicine or surgery. There are those doctors who are
now evolving into like no, no, no, let's look at
the cause of this. What is your nutrition? What is
your But the majority of them are not taught that.
This is now shifting into other kinds of world. So
I'd love to hear what you think where you see
for health and medicine. We'll be right back after a
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Speaker 3: Yeah. Well, this is actually something that is very near
and dear to my heart, actually because I have started
to go down the pathway of understanding the root causes
of health and problems that we have, and a lot
of it is our emotions. You know. I deal with
a lot with people who have autoimmune disease and cancer,
and there are emotional elements to those illnesses that have
brought them on. And I started to dive in and
realize that I took three thousand readings that I did
and I identified with the help of AI it was
a beautiful thing. But throw it all in and I
could actually see where people were having reading and their
mother passed away. Oh and then six months later a
chronic it almost happened, And so that's really interesting. So
I do think that the more that we are starting
to understand that, the more that we can now especially
with the advances of neuroscience, all of the somatic work
and the healing that we're doing, we can actually start
working on the issue at the time, because when we
look about look at grief, if we don't start working
towards not necessarily healing grief, but identifying and understanding our
grief within the first month, it then becomes hardwired into
our brain like an addiction pattern, and so we have
to We're now having this awareness on science. So I
do feel that science is absolutely exponentially changing in the
medical practice, you know, medical facilities, because we've now got
the advancements of peptides, We've got the advancement of understanding
how our dentistry impacts our health, how our emotions, We've
got Chinese medicine. People are now turning to acupuncturists and
holistic doctors and functional medicine doctors more than they are
going to their own GP, and even my own GP,
which when I go there, I listened to him. I'm like,
do you really sure you're supposed to wear a white coat?
Because he is now about exercise, diet, look at your
look at your emotions, let's try this. Let's not do surgery,
which I think is so amazing and in some people
they would think it was so radical, but it's not.
It's actually in everyday life. And if you look at
the advancement of the biohacking industry. You know, Dave asked me,
in the biohacking industry, this is I mean, I've been
in part of that whole world and I've seen it
where people are now starting to understand their bodies and
the science behind it and the millions of money, millions
of dollars that they put into it. It's incredible. And
if and I think what we've also got to have
is this shift, this this shift from the old way
of thinking, like like you said, doctors are they're amazing,
they know it all da da da, and all of
these studies to also understanding that there are other ways
that we can approach our health. We can look at
it from an emotional point of view, a somatic point
of view. We can realize that our emotions hold in
our body and that when we start to actually think about, okay,
how what is what is my stomach trying to tell me, Oh,
you're sad? All right, well why is the cause of sadness?
Now we get with journalize all of a sudden, the
stomach's fine, you know, it's it's interesting. So I think
there's going to be experent show changes in our healthcare systems.
Speaker 2: Is AI going to have a major part of that.
Speaker 3: I do think so, absolutely.
Speaker 2: Exactly.
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, you know, doctor GPT is he's
not perfect or she's not perfect, but it does give
you a good It gives you a battle plan. Like
I saw a course out there about there were doctors
teaching you how to use chat GPT to help you
self diagnose a bit and then go into an MD's
meeting or appointment with this arsenal of information to help
the doctor help you better. So it's like this combination
of everything because it is it's so powerful.
Speaker 2: I found that.
Speaker 1: I saw a story the other day that there was
a woman that went to twenty doctors could not figure
out none of them could diagnose it. They put it
all into GPT and CHATGIPT, and all of a sudden,
she's got the diagnosis and it was accurate, and then
the doctors were able with that diagnosis, the doctors were
able to treat her properly. They go, oh, we didn't
think of that, because a human brain can't process ten
million research. You know, doctor, you know all this kind
of it just has access to all the information, and
that's how they say that AI will possibly find the
cure for cancer because it will look at every research
ever done, yes, and combine it on cross rock until
finally it goes, Oh, is it kind of like what you.
Speaker 2: Did with your with your meetings? It connected?
Speaker 1: That's that you could have never couldn't have even with
your second even with your second abilities.
Speaker 2: No.
Speaker 3: Yeah, because it was screaming me in the face, you know,
I had. I had too many people coming to me
and saying, you know, all of a sudden, I've been
diagnosed with breast cancer, I've been diagnosed with with this
or that or the other, I've got this chronic disease,
or I'm an autoimmune and I'm like, there is something
that is happening here. And as I started to look
at it, I was like, I wonder if I could
just take all of my readings that I've done in
the last couple of years. So I did, and I
grabbed as many as I could, and I put them
all through them all into notebook LM, and I started
to understand the actual patterns that were going on. And
I'm like, fascinating when we look at it that now
I can map where the where the illness was related
to and the emotion that it came from it. It
was so fascinating.
Speaker 1: Now, in the next five or ten years, do you
see any major global events on the horizon that it's
going to shift humanity's path in a very, very big way.
Speaker 3: You know, I haven't really looked at that. I try
not to, and I think there is that I try
not to be honest, because I think sometimes living in
the now is hard enough for some people. And again,
I think there's always going to be something. I think
there's going to be major earthquakes. I think there's definitely
going to be major losses that we have. But I
try not to look at it because and I'll be
honest why I why I didn't look at it for
a long time. It was because my husband was military
and it was only in October that he retired, So
I chose not to look at it for a reason,
knowing that he could have been taken into that space. So, yeah,
that's one of the questions I can't answer, and it's
not something I have chosen to look at.
Speaker 2: Got you fair Yeah? Fair enough? Fair enough?
Speaker 1: And is there a level of personal responsibility that we
all have to take with this information that we're getting
because we all feel you know, look, I understand all
the stuff we've talked about, like it's my sole blueprint,
and hey, we're learning through these lessons everything, But at
the end of the day, there's still in some and uncertainty.
For the human brain is still difficult to process because
it's it's hardwired into us. So the tiger doesn't eat
us kind of thing.
Speaker 2: So what can someone.
Speaker 1: Do who is really just terrified of the future and
not truly living in the now. What advice would you
have for them on how to process and deal with.
Speaker 2: All of this.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, first of all, I think there's several things
that they can do. Is quiet in the noise, you know,
choose what they choose to listen to. I had a
client of mine who everybody was talking about a certain
date in February where you know, part of California was
going to disappear, and I when I read for her,
I said, it's not I said, You're going to be okay.
And she was in this panic and she was thinking,
I've got to sell my house before this particular date,
and yeah, and I'm like, I want you to use discernment.
So first of all, choose what you listen to choose
what noise you want to turn down, and turn down
the noise really important. Try not to have the news
on as much. Be informed, but don't get you don't
get your news from Facebook or get your news from
reputable sources. The other part of it is really step
into a meditation practice. Step into a meditation practice, even
if it is quiet in your mind for ten minutes
in the morning and ten minutes in the afternoon, because
by quieting your mind you're allowing your nervous system to
settle down. Then you can start listening to that discernment
that we have, that intuitive part of us, where that
intuitive part is going to tell you what news source
is right and what you feel is right and wrong
for you to work with because we all have our
internal barometer of what is right wrong, what acts some
internal compass of what works for us. And I think
really using discernment and trusting your own intuition that is
going to be massive in the next ten years in
moving forward.
Speaker 1: Beautifully said Lisa, Where can people find out more about
you and the amazing work you're doing, You know, they.
Speaker 3: Can go to Lisa Williams dot com or follow me
on socials I'm Lisa Williams medium pretty much everywhere, so yeah.
Speaker 1: And do you have any final messages for the audience.
Speaker 3: You know, my final message would be is trust your
own instincts. As much as we've talked about some bigger
global impacts here, I think it's really taking what works
for you, what really resonates for you. I always say,
if you're looking to develop your own spiritual awareness, find
what works for you. You are your own in a guide.
You don't need anybody else to tell you. It's really
about what you trust. So I just encourage everyone to
listen to themselves.
Speaker 1: Beautifully, said Lisa, it has been such a pleasure and
honor speaking to you today. You're wonderful. I love your energy,
I love your sense of humor, I love your perspective
on the world, and I appreciate you and everything you're
doing to awaken the planet.
Speaker 2: So thank you, thank you.
Speaker 3: It's been an absolute pleasure and some great, great conversations here.
Thank you for having me, Thank.
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