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Speaker 1: have from the Soup Network and a man that I've
Speaker 1: seen in live streams and chats I don't know, like
Speaker 1: there must be like seventeen of him to do this.
Speaker 1: It is Rams Fan. He's from the Wrestling Super and
Speaker 1: Friendos network. He does Soup du Jour on his YouTube
Speaker 1: channel and on Wrestling Super and Friendos where he reviews
Speaker 1: SmackDown with Jeff Uso, a different Jeff, probably a false Jeff,
Speaker 1: certainly an evil Jeff, which I appreciate being dose evil.
Speaker 1: I am dose evil or evil dose, depending on which
Speaker 1: side of the emetic upside down you are if you're
Speaker 1: above or below Jeff Flipmann. For those of you who
Speaker 1: don't or only know my alter ego, and this is
Speaker 1: Rams fan rams fan, thanks for being there. They love you, dude. Wow,
Speaker 1: introduce yourself.
Speaker 2: Yes, Oh I got a I got a bile forgive
Speaker 2: me by the way, chat for my Sunday morning eyes.
Speaker 2: I woke up two and a half hours ago and
Speaker 2: I'm still trying to wake up and I got sensitive eyes.
Speaker 2: So yeah, it's so yeah yeah look at this. But
Speaker 2: anyways about me, So yes, I I wish I knew
Speaker 2: how many podcasts under my hat, under my belts. I've
Speaker 2: been going live on YouTube with the other Jeff what
Speaker 2: as we call them, the real Jeff Jeff Uso. Yeah,
Speaker 2: we go live with Yes SmackDown Sure, and we've been
Speaker 2: doing that since January. It was originally just audio only
Speaker 2: and now we're audio and video and also streaming on
Speaker 2: x Shout out to familiar faces in the chat. But
Speaker 2: really quick about me. I've been doing podcasts for a
Speaker 2: long time now, but it hasn't been a weekly thing
Speaker 2: until recently. I started off doing twilight Zone podcasts with
Speaker 2: shout out to Matt Luke Sci Fi Sanctuary podcast Deal Podcasts.
Speaker 2: They were covering twilight Zone and all its variations for
Speaker 2: a while and that's how I got my start. And
Speaker 2: now I'm doing shows like this and other wrestling shows,
Speaker 2: and also about me. I wrote eleven children's books. I'm
Speaker 2: a marine biologist. I have worked for a NASA. I've
Speaker 2: been a lawyer in my spare time. I worked for
Speaker 2: a bono though, and none of that is true. I
Speaker 2: am not an important person. I've been retired on disability
Speaker 2: for a long time. Podcast scene comes easy to me get,
Speaker 2: I guess because I got a lot of time to
Speaker 2: do it. Excited to be on the show man, well on, you.
Speaker 1: Had full George Costanza on us. The sea was angry
Speaker 1: that day, my friends. So I appreciate having a podcast
Speaker 1: veteran as yourself. I don't appreciate the tease because one
Speaker 1: of the things I've been looking to have on the
Speaker 1: show is a marine biologist. I have already decided what
Speaker 1: my final shows will be, whenever they are, and one
Speaker 1: of them would be a marine biologist, specifically talking about
Speaker 1: the octopus to pi octopuses, which is proper, which isn't
Speaker 1: all things octopuses anyway. So rams Fan proposed the topic,
Speaker 1: and he's like, let's talk about mythological creatures, monsters that
Speaker 1: are portrayed in the media, and let's talk about how
Speaker 1: they're portrayed in the media and the backstory to them,
Speaker 1: or really wherever the conversation takes us. And I'm like,
Speaker 1: cool idea. I'm like, you know when he's like, we'll
Speaker 1: each pick six and hopefully we'll get through all of
Speaker 1: them today. If it goes too long and we're both
Speaker 1: want of them, we'll just cut it into two shows.
Speaker 1: I don't know, at least off for the audio, not
Speaker 1: the livestream. We're not going to cut it. But we
Speaker 1: each made our list. We made sure that we didn't
Speaker 1: have any of the same creatures, and without further ado
Speaker 1: guess privilege, you pick the first creature and tell us
Speaker 1: why you pick the creature and then what you think.
Speaker 2: Well, might as well get the longest one out of
Speaker 2: the way and forgive me sometimes folks too, if I
Speaker 2: got to go off camera a little bit and I
Speaker 2: got to read my notes, because again, my my poor
Speaker 2: I so I got I don't want to be like
Speaker 2: if I go off camera a little bit, it's to
Speaker 2: read some notes. But I chose, and I'm gonna butcher
Speaker 2: a lot of words on the show.
Speaker 1: By the way, just say a gin like like the
Speaker 1: like gyolcoholic, efforts.
Speaker 2: That's safe. Gin the D we don't pronounce the D. Huh.
Speaker 2: You can.
Speaker 1: You can go to gen if you want, but the
Speaker 1: Gin is or g or Jenny or Genie. Uh. You know,
Speaker 1: basically all have become the same thing, though you can
Speaker 1: make a pretty good argument that they're portrayed differently and
Speaker 1: just a sort of a giant, multi millennia game of telephone.
Speaker 2: So to speaker operator, I chose them because they really
Speaker 2: and especially when I started doing I literally got like
Speaker 2: almost two pages of research on them written down. I
Speaker 2: could add more. But you ever seen the movie Wish Master,
Speaker 2: of course? Yeah, yeah, I always love those horror movies.
Speaker 2: Even though the sequels got pretty bad, the first one
Speaker 2: is pretty fun that that was a representation of Gin
Speaker 2: so and we'll get to which variation that is later,
Speaker 2: Because not all Gin and Jin's grand wishes and stuff
Speaker 2: like that. Some do, some don't, Some take forms of
Speaker 2: like creatures and humans, some don't. But I don't think
Speaker 2: it's like the movie where he cut the dude's face
Speaker 2: off and you put the face on and it just
Speaker 2: maybe it is. I don't know. But anyways, real quick,
Speaker 2: I'm just gonna go off camera, so I could see
Speaker 2: these notes. Oh, okay, am I still here?
Speaker 1: I hear it?
Speaker 2: Okay, sweet, I thought i'd have a little avatar if
Speaker 2: I was off camera.
Speaker 1: Okay, so you do that rock gollum thing?
Speaker 2: Does jin are created for? I'm uh smokeless fire and
Speaker 2: in parts of Arabian and Islamic folk folklore say they
Speaker 2: have the ability to choose good or evil, unlike angels.
Speaker 2: And they're also one of the three create one of
Speaker 2: the three. What's the word I'm looking for here, Jeff,
Speaker 2: Because there's angels, there's humans.
Speaker 1: I would say they're they're of the sea.
Speaker 2: I think it was called turns of like a sea word.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm not I'm not sure what what
Speaker 1: you're looking for, But don't worry about it. It'll come
Speaker 1: to you, Okay.
Speaker 2: But yes, along and then like people say, unlike angels,
Speaker 2: they have the ability to get choose good or evil.
Speaker 2: And when I'm also finding out when I've looked up
Speaker 2: these things, there's many different like each religion, uneath each
Speaker 2: mythology as like their own variations. So like, excuse me,
Speaker 2: I got so many notes on here, I got to
Speaker 2: try to find the right one.
Speaker 1: Okay, I mean I don't think that anyone who's a
Speaker 1: long term listener, long time listener show knows that that's
Speaker 1: sort of my journey has has discovered that too. And
Speaker 1: part of the fun of the show when I have
Speaker 1: experts on is is that sometimes I'm right about the variation.
Speaker 1: Sometimes I'm wrong about you know, I see too much
Speaker 1: of the variation when it's not exactly the same thing,
Speaker 1: or sometimes it's it's something that's morphed over time and
Speaker 1: space and a lot of times because of the environmental needs,
Speaker 1: but also the historical times. I mean, we all like
Speaker 1: to pretend that things are fixed in time and that
Speaker 1: that's not the case. You know, they're they're definitely not.
Speaker 1: So by now, hopefully you found the note that you're
Speaker 1: looking for and you can pick yes.
Speaker 2: Okay, And but I wanted to go over the five
Speaker 2: different types. And these are where I'm on a which
Speaker 2: are some words here. There's five different types of gin.
Speaker 2: There's married M A R I D, which is often
Speaker 2: depicted as the most powerful with immense strength, magical abilities,
Speaker 2: and it's associated with water known for their pride and arrogance.
Speaker 2: And these are the ones that typically guarant wishes that
Speaker 2: like you have seen in the Wishmaster movies. They come
Speaker 2: at a great cost. And then the second different variation
Speaker 2: is is would you pronounce it as different? I f ri,
Speaker 2: I T.
Speaker 1: I guess free, I'd probably say, but I don't know
Speaker 1: that I'm.
Speaker 2: Right, Okay. They are fiery and known for their wrath
Speaker 2: and destructive power. They're also rebellious, dangerous, and they dwell
Speaker 2: in ruins and isolated places for some reasons. And they're
Speaker 2: also depicted in this book called one thousand and one Nights,
Speaker 2: which have you ever heard of that book?
Speaker 1: Jeff, Yeah, it is. It is a misnomer where it's
Speaker 1: called one thousand and one or Arabian Nights. It really
Speaker 1: should be a thousand and one Babylonian Knights. But yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean that's where a Latin comes from.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know the I know the Bugs Bunny version.
Speaker 1: Yeah, of course, modern classic. I mean it's up there
Speaker 1: with Christopher Nolan's The Odyssey.
Speaker 2: And then, oh, we can't talk about that movie. That's
Speaker 2: got controversy right now, we can't talk about that. Well
Speaker 2: we got I can't talk about it. I haven't seen it,
Speaker 2: so things weren't depicted the right way supposedly. Oh my god,
Speaker 2: Hollywood doesn't depict something in the right way, God forbid.
Speaker 1: Well, there are no right way. I mean, its hundreds
Speaker 1: of years of oral traditions that were performed countless different ways.
Speaker 1: So I mean it's it's you know who who you
Speaker 1: interpreted through. But and I only know this because I
Speaker 1: was I've been listening to a bunch of podcasts which
Speaker 1: we're on it. I mean, it's not coincidental that the
Speaker 1: podcasts are covering it because of the movie, but it
Speaker 1: is coincidental that it was, like say, The Daily and
Speaker 1: the Ancients and then and I actually recently recently read.
Speaker 1: Now when I say it read, I generally mean listen
Speaker 1: to the audiobook the Odyssey, Uh, within the last several months.
Speaker 1: It's interesting, it's it's a thing. I also listened to
Speaker 1: the Iliad and I don't know, Uh, anyway, you're right,
Speaker 1: we're not gonna talk about those things.
Speaker 2: And then the next one is theitany s h A
Speaker 2: I T A n I.
Speaker 1: Right, the Chaitan, which is sometimes as a demon, and
Speaker 1: some people think that's where the word satan comes from. Uh,
Speaker 1: it's probably not. It's probably just a trick of fanatics.
Speaker 2: Yes, And they're the ones that like to lure human
Speaker 2: into the trap with temptations and they serve no one
Speaker 2: like they're not one of the genies that you can
Speaker 2: summon and be like, you know, Grant might Well, they
Speaker 2: just they're all out for themselves. They're they're the most
Speaker 2: power hungry one problem well, which may be why they
Speaker 2: may or may not be closely linked to Satan. Google
Speaker 2: g h U l Gold Google Yah.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I'd have to learn, Jeff.
Speaker 2: I've seen you figure out a lot of your words
Speaker 2: on this show, and it's about time, you know, buddy,
Speaker 2: because I have questions and you better have answers.
Speaker 1: Listen. I'm just happy that you're bringing up words that
Speaker 1: I haven't heard.
Speaker 2: This is great, okay, and.
Speaker 1: The guests to be the expert and you're you're not disappointed.
Speaker 2: This one is a well, thank you Internet. This one
Speaker 2: is associated with graveyards and desert wastelands, which is kind
Speaker 2: of cool. Uh And it.
Speaker 1: Makes sense that if it is pronounced cool that it
Speaker 1: would you know, the word has sort of survived mhm.
Speaker 2: This one is the shape shifters that take form of
Speaker 2: animals and they like the were humans into traps and
Speaker 2: they also like to eat the flesh of a living
Speaker 2: or the dead.
Speaker 1: Is that the ghoul? Also?
Speaker 3: Yes, okay, so listen we have we have we have
Speaker 3: an old fashioned, you know, sort of zombie skin walker
Speaker 3: kind of thing, like a you know, a revenant.
Speaker 2: And then this one is considered to be the weakest,
Speaker 2: the janny j A n n I considered to be
Speaker 2: the weakest form.
Speaker 1: Well, it's a little sister, sure ja.
Speaker 2: It's aligned with nature instead to be no maamt no
Speaker 2: nomadic and offering just and often just wandering the deserts.
Speaker 2: And it acts way more kind of humans than mean
Speaker 2: any of the other gems.
Speaker 1: No, the closest, the weakest is the closest to man.
Speaker 1: It's interesting these descriptions you gave us because they sort
Speaker 1: of sound semi demonic in the way certain demons are.
Speaker 1: Percentage also very seeing. The first one that you mentioned,
Speaker 1: so say, with water grant's wishes but can be bargained
Speaker 1: with or you know, it's just moody. Sometimes it's against you,
Speaker 1: sometimes it's for you, standard chaos agent. But also it
Speaker 1: reminds me of the like the exact description of the
Speaker 1: grootslane from African mythology, which is basically a serpent that
Speaker 1: lives in the cave and water. Now that the goots
Speaker 1: line can especially be barreined with with gold and stuff
Speaker 1: like that. But you can also tell it a good
Speaker 1: story or whatever, and it sounds a little bit like
Speaker 1: the first one, but you know, it's sort it's so
Speaker 1: fire and smoke. So angels are supposed to be fire
Speaker 1: and water, so this is distinct, but they're not divine.
Speaker 1: Angels are divine. But in some of the apocrypha there
Speaker 1: are angels that have some of the attributes attributes of
Speaker 1: more chaos agents and these gin, which leads me to
Speaker 1: believe that maybe the gin we're taking the place of
Speaker 1: maybe some gods and certain pantheons, maybe they were lesser gods.
Speaker 2: Maybe not.
Speaker 1: You know, a lot of times when a religion comes
Speaker 1: into place, you sort of absorb some of what they've
Speaker 1: already got going on and just put your own name
Speaker 1: or spin on it. And maybe that happened. I don't
Speaker 1: know the order of what, you know, who came first,
Speaker 1: but you know, certainly the Greeks had tons and tons
Speaker 1: of gods, and well everyone did. But it is very interesting.
Speaker 1: But yeah, they're not they're they're immortal, but they're not
Speaker 1: they're not divine. But also there are demons in Islam,
Speaker 1: but the Gin is probably the only monster creature that
Speaker 1: I think we're going to talk about that's in the
Speaker 1: body in holy books. So gin are part of Islamic canon.
Speaker 1: So if you are a devout Muslim, you believe that
Speaker 1: that gin exists every much as well as you believe
Speaker 1: that angels exist, probably demons and of course God Allah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, this one. We got a few Islamic ones
Speaker 2: on my list. But and then later when we get
Speaker 2: to golams, those are actually in two passages of the Bible,
Speaker 2: I guess. Yeah, actually, so I didn't know that. I
Speaker 2: guess that when it makes sense though, when we get
Speaker 2: to golms later, that's because they're like, that's a whole
Speaker 2: Jewish so it makes sense they'd be in the Bible, right,
Speaker 2: that's a whole like Jewish tradition.
Speaker 1: Ah, I suppose, I mean, you know, I mean the
Speaker 1: most famous golum is is sort of more of Middle
Speaker 1: Ages Renaissance, you know, within the last five hundred years.
Speaker 1: The Gollm of Prague, which is much more recent. But yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, building something from dust or mud is as
Speaker 1: old creation stories and you know, and we only know
Speaker 1: the ones that are down and from whence they came.
Speaker 1: But you know, I mean, if you if you skip
Speaker 1: the whole lot of Adam and Eve thing being made
Speaker 1: from duster, clay, anky do in. Gilgamesh was also made
Speaker 1: from I think clay or sand, and he was basically
Speaker 1: a beast man that was tame. It was supposed to,
Speaker 1: you know, teach Gilgamesh a lesson and kill him, but
Speaker 1: instead they became best friends after Gilgamesh tamed a lankye
Speaker 1: do one with a prostitute and then with a thing
Speaker 1: versus Hulk epic fight where Gilgamesh won. But but they
Speaker 1: decided they respected each other and have much more fun
Speaker 1: together than apart.
Speaker 2: Hmm. But I jumped a little bit ahead. We got
Speaker 2: to go run back to the gin real quick, you
Speaker 2: said in a text to me and discord what is it? Corn?
Speaker 2: These are one of the quorn type gods, is it?
Speaker 2: And you had something you want to ellab rea on
Speaker 2: that and the word I was looking for earlier too.
Speaker 2: This is one of the three centennial creations along.
Speaker 1: With right right, They have thoughts of their own and
Speaker 1: I think actually you covered that really well when you
Speaker 1: describe the five motives of them and my theories, I
Speaker 1: think I touched on them a little bit. But I
Speaker 1: will say that because angels, you know, obviously the Old
Speaker 1: Testament is older than the Koran. I mean, I know
Speaker 1: that if you go to the scripture of the Christians,
Speaker 1: everything was always Christian. It's just the people didn't know
Speaker 1: they were Christian. And the Koran is the same thing.
Speaker 1: Everything was always Islam. Everyone was always Muslim, you just
Speaker 1: didn't know that you were until after the Koran was
Speaker 1: written as Gabriel or Gabriel dictated anyway. So seraphim are
Speaker 1: a class of angels, and if you talk to one
Speaker 1: hundred different people, you might get one hundred different versions
Speaker 1: of what is the seraphim and what are the different
Speaker 1: hierarchy of angels, and same with demons and what and
Speaker 1: even what seraph means. I've heard two things that it
Speaker 1: means serpent or flying serpent. I've also hear burning ones.
Speaker 1: Whichever JJ Johnson from Southern Demonology tells you is the
Speaker 1: is the correct pronuncia, correct correct definition is it? He's
Speaker 1: a multi time guest on the show. But if you
Speaker 1: go by burning ones, I think that the genner easily
Speaker 1: can easily be put into taking the Seraph the Burning One,
Speaker 1: and a lot of things the religions, especially conquering, And
Speaker 1: by conquering I don't necessarily mean by the sword. I
Speaker 1: mean sort of overtaking the region and influence. Do is
Speaker 1: they sort of take your gods and your heroes and
Speaker 1: turn them into the villains or something lesser. And so
Speaker 1: if you take the seraph, which are very powerful angels,
Speaker 1: and you turn them into you don't know, eliminate them entirely,
Speaker 1: but you turn them into something less than the memory
Speaker 1: of the people, it's still there, the stories are still there.
Speaker 1: It's something they could recognize, but now it's like it's
Speaker 1: still something to be feared and respected. But it's it's
Speaker 1: it doesn't it doesn't interfere with their their worship of
Speaker 1: the new order of things or you know what what's
Speaker 1: old is new or you know, but the the Holy Quran.
Speaker 1: So I think that the Sarah, the Burning One, part
Speaker 1: of it, is part of it. And and there's probably
Speaker 1: other gods and other pantheons that have been there as
Speaker 1: well which play into this. Also, by the way, I
Speaker 1: always talk about the show Evil and there's a there's
Speaker 1: a gin in that that peaks itself out every now
Speaker 1: and then, and it's actually a deliciously subtly juicy show.
Speaker 1: And regrettably I might have to get a Paramount Plus
Speaker 1: so I can finally see season four of it because.
Speaker 2: Netflix Comparamount Plus so I could check that out.
Speaker 1: Well, you're not me so so that doesn't help me
Speaker 1: any anyway. I'm sorry, but I have nothing else really
Speaker 1: on the genders. I think you covered a beautifully day.
Speaker 2: I just want to wrap it up real quick. I
Speaker 2: just want to get through his strengths and weaknesses and
Speaker 2: point O. One thing that I would fascinated to learn chat,
Speaker 2: maybe you would fascinate awareness shout out to the Chat.
Speaker 2: By the way, the Aladdin from Genie from Aladdin is
Speaker 2: a gin.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well all genies are gin.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: The Aladdin that we see that has made like many
Speaker 1: sort of you know, been disnified, you know sort of.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Obviously he's not going to betray Aladdin with his wishes,
Speaker 2: you know, like he's gonna make them all good, you know, but.
Speaker 1: We did see times where Aladdin could be terrible. I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, so you know, you could easily see someone
Speaker 1: making Aladdin into more of a horror thriller kind of
Speaker 1: thing and you good. Except the deal is, once you're
Speaker 1: done with the three wishes, you're done. I mean, you're
Speaker 1: done with with the genie.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 1: I don't know what happens if your third wishes give
Speaker 1: me more wishes or turn me into something as powerful
Speaker 1: as you. Uh, and then they could go around being
Speaker 1: best friends worst enemies. Uh you know who who knows
Speaker 1: any of you? If you see a genie and you
Speaker 1: you know you don't know what to do on your
Speaker 1: last wish, try either of those things, I suppose if
Speaker 1: you're so inclined. But yeah, genies, Yeah, definitely the genie,
Speaker 1: including I dream of genie, has evolved from the gin.
Speaker 1: But obviously it's been sort of you know, made friendly
Speaker 1: made you know, as time goes on, you know you
Speaker 1: try to you know, try to scare the kids from
Speaker 1: going into the woods. And I guess as the world
Speaker 1: gets a little bit safer, you know, now you want
Speaker 1: to be so friendly and something that it's fun.
Speaker 2: M hm, So real quick. I know you touched on
Speaker 2: your strength, but I guess, because I think we've touched
Speaker 2: on these still go over. Their strengths are immense power,
Speaker 2: free will, and immortality. Like you brought up earlier mortality,
Speaker 2: unless say it's the movie is the Wish Master move,
Speaker 2: then he gets it's God, but he always comes back.
Speaker 2: His weakness is susceptibility to control and divine weakness. What
Speaker 2: would divine weakness be.
Speaker 1: Well, that they're not divine, so I imagine something that's divine
Speaker 1: could in fact smite them. The susceptibility the control is
Speaker 1: interesting because in some cases they're even susceptible to control
Speaker 1: by humans, which you know, sort of goes with the
Speaker 1: you know, the creation story of man, that sort of
Speaker 1: everything on earth is sort of our playground. You know,
Speaker 1: we're supposed to take care of it or use it
Speaker 1: as we will, which is interpreted in a thousand different ways.
Speaker 1: But you know, if they're not divine, they're arguably subject
Speaker 1: to man. It's just their powers that keep them a
Speaker 1: little bit above us. But they're not really above us.
Speaker 1: They're sort of parallel. I once had the people who
Speaker 1: point out the difference between to me between paranormal and supernatural,
Speaker 1: and paranormal is they exist with us on this plane.
Speaker 1: Supernatural is something that's above us, And well, I think
Speaker 1: that was overly simplifying things. And you know, in the
Speaker 1: strict contours of the world. They were correct, But yeah,
Speaker 1: I think I don't have much to add on.
Speaker 2: J I mean that was their final weakness. Is their
Speaker 2: their pride and hubrious hubris your ego.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean it's sort of your ego on checked
Speaker 1: the pride where you don't think that you can fall.
Speaker 1: Like the Greek heroes were known for their hubris, but
Speaker 1: not just them, like even Prometheus had. He was a
Speaker 1: Titan and he had hubris, and he got you know,
Speaker 1: punished by Zeus eternally. As far as we know right now,
Speaker 1: there's an eagle pecking out his liver someplace, you know,
Speaker 1: depending on which pantheon was correct. He was also a
Speaker 1: friend of Man. So I don't know what the lesson
Speaker 1: there is in that. So I guess it's my turn.
Speaker 2: Yep.
Speaker 1: Sure, I didn't do the research.
Speaker 2: That you did.
Speaker 1: I don't apologize for it too bad. My first choice
Speaker 1: was trolls, and trolls to me, I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: I forgot about the little monsters with the with the
Speaker 1: with the don king hare. I'm not talking about the
Speaker 1: kids toys.
Speaker 2: That's that's you're not talking about the nineties or whatever
Speaker 2: it was.
Speaker 1: That's right, they'll probably be coming back again. I mean,
Speaker 1: sorry everyone, I'm sure it's several. I mean, did everyone
Speaker 1: have things hanging from there? I mean I did have kids.
Speaker 1: I mean I still have kids. They're just not children anymore,
Speaker 1: or little kids. They grew. Never mind, people understand how
Speaker 1: time works. Kevin the producer, wanted me to mention how
Speaker 1: there's internet trolls, and so the trolls sort of you know,
Speaker 1: they're sort of Germanic and Norse, Northern European, uh, you know,
Speaker 1: sort of. We have the Tolkien versions where they sort
Speaker 1: of live in the woods. They can only survive at night.
Speaker 1: The sun comes up, they turn to dark. There are
Speaker 1: also mountain trolls, so that they're associated with sort of
Speaker 1: terrain that humans don't usually live in, you know, be
Speaker 1: afraid of the dark, be afraid of nature, the perils
Speaker 1: of nature. In the movie troll they're almost like a
Speaker 1: King Kong thing, but it's almost you know, it's almost
Speaker 1: like environmental respect nature or you're going to unleash it's
Speaker 1: terrible wrath as a metaphor, but I think the most
Speaker 1: iconic trolls are sort of the trolls. They live under
Speaker 1: the bridges and they and they you know, eat goats.
Speaker 1: If they don't eat goats, they'll eat what's available to them,
Speaker 1: which might might involve people. And so, I mean, they
Speaker 1: are a boogeyman, but they're a huge boogeyman that's made
Speaker 1: up of rock and wood and bark and things that
Speaker 1: where there's no apparent weakness, and they can't be killed
Speaker 1: by normal means, or at least not that I'm aware of,
Speaker 1: unless you buy into the if you keep them out
Speaker 1: past sunrise like a vampire, they you know, I'm like
Speaker 1: burning up. They turned the stone, and then of course
Speaker 1: they're dead forever, you know, and you know they are
Speaker 1: immortalized in mountain ranges and features of that nature. But
Speaker 1: I don't know what, you know. I just thought that
Speaker 1: they were interesting because they are. Everyone uses the word troll,
Speaker 1: but they seem to be like you know, the step Child,
Speaker 1: the red Head Stott Child, the Monts there. They're barely
Speaker 1: brought up and and they've sort of remained a little
Speaker 1: bit like a you know, as a children's story, as
Speaker 1: opposed to the dijin Gin, who become both children's soyle
Speaker 1: story and religious cannon. And you know, there's never been
Speaker 1: a Disney movie about a troll. I mean there's there's movies.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, no, the movie I'm thinking of was the
Speaker 2: Troll You Don't want to be it. That's that's the
Speaker 2: hair the don King here. I think that was the
Speaker 2: troll movie that came out. So yeah, you're right. Oh
Speaker 2: hang on, No, wasn't there a famous eighty movie called troll.
Speaker 1: Yeah no, there's there's Troll Hunter, and then there's and
Speaker 1: then there was but like these are like Scandinavian movies,
Speaker 1: so it's like their King Kong, you know, and he's like.
Speaker 2: Troll too notoriously bad or something.
Speaker 1: Uh okay, So there was definitely a troll to like
Speaker 1: an old movie, like sort of when the leprechan movies
Speaker 1: are coming up, and then there's the one that's more recent. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was.
Speaker 2: It was.
Speaker 1: It was pretty bad. It was uh as a picture
Speaker 1: of control for those who are you who are on
Speaker 1: the Yeah, and even there it looks a little King
Speaker 1: congressh you know. Obviously in Lord of the Rings we
Speaker 1: had the Mountain Troll, which was, you know, sort of
Speaker 1: a mindless beast that can barely be contained even by
Speaker 1: the orcs and goblins, and it's super strong and super
Speaker 1: big but could be killed. But you know, part of
Speaker 1: the fellowship. They were also kind of magic, and you know,
Speaker 1: they had stinged the Olven weapon and there was an
Speaker 1: elf there and so like, you know, Tolkien was almost
Speaker 1: like you know, the Greek Age of Heroes and and
Speaker 1: sort of the Ananaki phase where you know, sort of
Speaker 1: the transition between when gods also walked amongst men on
Speaker 1: Earth before they sort of transitioned and turned over the
Speaker 1: rains completely to men. And you know, that's sort of
Speaker 1: the Old Testament as well. I mean it is sort
Speaker 1: of in that area though that might be considered blasphemy,
Speaker 1: but I don't care. I'm a blasphemer. I'm a heretic.
Speaker 1: What do you think about trolls?
Speaker 2: I want to know, like what if the Internet form
Speaker 2: troll really looks? Like? What are they? What are they?
Speaker 2: To pick it as? And then you said they were
Speaker 2: created out of wood and set like what were they
Speaker 2: created out? Again?
Speaker 1: Someone? But like they're made of all things that are
Speaker 1: hard and natural, like rocks and mountains and wood. I mean,
Speaker 1: there's tufts of grass and you know, but their skin
Speaker 1: is like stone and bark, and you know, they're basically
Speaker 1: they're basically a part of nature come to life and
Speaker 1: some hungry you know way, but they're but they're basically
Speaker 1: scavengers unless they need to be something else. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's like like a bear. If you if you you know,
Speaker 1: anthropomorphized the bear, you know, it could be a troll,
Speaker 1: but if you gave it like rhinoceros skin. That's that's
Speaker 1: my interpretation anyway.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like a hardened skin. But and then yeah, like
Speaker 2: I like I agree with you, like not only for
Speaker 2: like the don king here, but like I've seen trolls
Speaker 2: depicted like as friends of kids and goofy and you know,
Speaker 2: like like we're gonna get to ogres pretty soon. I
Speaker 2: feel like that's a good leading since we just did
Speaker 2: trolls when I covered. But yeah, they could be cousins.
Speaker 2: They're redheaded step children or red headed step cousins. But yes,
Speaker 2: trolls I've seen much like ogres, just get depicted in
Speaker 2: childlike manner more than in the scary manner. But now
Speaker 2: all the millennials know, not the millennials, but what do
Speaker 2: we now gen Z or whatever it's called, the social
Speaker 2: media generation?
Speaker 1: Yeah, Jens, well, social media to start with millennials, but
Speaker 1: uh yeah, I think we are at gen Z.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're all going to associate the troll that we're
Speaker 2: thinking of troll, like Internet troll. That's that's what for
Speaker 2: some No, for some reason, that's all we're gonna think
Speaker 2: about now, isntrol?
Speaker 1: Well yeah, but the patrol of someone who's lurking there
Speaker 1: to just you know, attack you. I mean it's the
Speaker 1: same metaphor. So it almost makes sense. I mean in
Speaker 1: ages past it could be a bandit, you know, you
Speaker 1: could say internet, you know, pirates. But now the troll,
Speaker 1: it's more fun.
Speaker 2: Should we go to ogres? Now?
Speaker 1: Sure?
Speaker 2: Our ogres is are ogree as the children are called there. Yes,
Speaker 2: let me uh, it's comes from a French word.
Speaker 1: I should I should just add that there are trolls
Speaker 1: in Norse mythology. Norse story, which is i mean sort
Speaker 1: of Northern Russian, Slavic, Germanic Norse and and some Celtic
Speaker 1: mythology is extremely similar.
Speaker 2: If not identical.
Speaker 1: But yeah, ogre, Yeah, it's it's like far so yeah, French.
Speaker 2: There's a We're gonna come up with another god in
Speaker 2: the stew. The word ogre is French origin, derived from
Speaker 2: the name of the Etrucian yon e E t r
Speaker 2: U s C A M. A Truscan Etruscan okay. The
Speaker 2: of the pre Romans, okay, which are a richly polyscetic
Speaker 2: pantheon that are heavily influenced by Roman mythology. So I
Speaker 2: hang on if it was before the Oh so it
Speaker 2: was before the Romans, but the Romans make stories of them, right,
Speaker 2: I guess so? Yeah, because that confused me for a second.
Speaker 1: I don't know where the French word comes in from that.
Speaker 1: I mean, obviously the Romans, you know, occupied what they
Speaker 1: call Gaul for a long time, which is modern day
Speaker 1: France or most of it, it's not all of it.
Speaker 1: And Germania, which I think they called it Alamania or
Speaker 1: didn't know they called it Germania, but was French language.
Speaker 1: Then I suppose this I don't know, but I suppose
Speaker 1: us at least some form French.
Speaker 2: Yeah. They also appear in Greece, Greece mythology and what
Speaker 2: is it grief mythology and Norse mythology. Ogres are often
Speaker 2: known as gluttony, but so associated gluttony and I forgot
Speaker 2: to write down the definition of gluttony. What is gluttony again?
Speaker 2: A lot?
Speaker 1: It's like it's like read specific to food.
Speaker 2: Is that one of the deadly sins, or it.
Speaker 1: Sure is one of the seven Deadly sins. It's it's
Speaker 1: one of the many that I have.
Speaker 2: I know me too. Oh yes, my bad, bad gluttony.
Speaker 2: But oh yeah, it says right, so I guess I
Speaker 2: did write it. Yes, and satiable appetites. Satiable appetites, And
Speaker 2: they often get depicted in fairy tales, and they're known
Speaker 2: for being like one of their weaknesses, especially in the
Speaker 2: fairy tales, is there stupid. They come off as stupid.
Speaker 1: Trolls are pretty stupid too. I mean that's it's not
Speaker 1: you know, they can be outwitted, which is I mean,
Speaker 1: some of the gin also had that. I mean, I
Speaker 1: don't think that's that's so unusual that things can be
Speaker 1: outwitted by, you know, the divine spark of intelligence that
Speaker 1: the God has put in in humans. But yeah, ogres
Speaker 1: I think are closer to me. They're sort of like
Speaker 1: gorilla men, you know, I mean, you know, the although
Speaker 1: gorillas get a bad rap, but you know it's sort
Speaker 1: of like maybe some memory of of you know, a
Speaker 1: more primitive man. Maybe it's you know, just a myth
Speaker 1: that we always have that that something in the past
Speaker 1: was worse than we were, you know, but yeah, the ogre,
Speaker 1: you know, I mean the most famous ogre of course
Speaker 1: is Shrek, who you know, changed everything. But basically, you know,
Speaker 1: was a giant, strong, simple uh uh and I and
Speaker 1: that's sort of what ogre is. He's he's a giant.
Speaker 1: But now, like Jack and the beanstalk giant, maybe they
Speaker 1: got smaller over over time. What what what were the
Speaker 1: ogres called in Greek mythology though? What what would what
Speaker 1: were the words that were used for them or you
Speaker 1: or any of them.
Speaker 2: I didn't write it down. I just know ogre for
Speaker 2: the offspring and the ogress for the women. So yeah,
Speaker 2: I don't know the each different m Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, here please, here's w here's my ogren.
Speaker 2: St I know now the movie like the new movie
Speaker 2: and Shrek he is like four or five kids now
Speaker 2: or something like there's a new one of his kids
Speaker 2: or oh yeah, we're going there, you know, well let's go.
Speaker 1: And one of the nice things about having your kids
Speaker 1: grow up is that they grow up.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: One of the same kids growing up is that they
Speaker 1: outgrow wrestling like normal people. While you haven't. I'm friends
Speaker 1: with PJ. Black, he was justin Gabe, but we know that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's great. Hey, we both watched Loops Underground. Say, I
Speaker 1: know exactly.
Speaker 2: Who he was.
Speaker 1: I know kids, don't you think? Doesn't that make me cool? No?
Speaker 2: Not really?
Speaker 1: It was interesting dad.
Speaker 2: And fun fact, according to my buddy's children when they
Speaker 2: were growing up, I was Shrek. So that's why I
Speaker 2: bought this Shrek doll for my buddy's daughter. I just
Speaker 2: have to give it to your still.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was wondering, if you above your buddy's daughter,
Speaker 1: what are you doing with it.
Speaker 2: I haven't have yet to give it. I haven't met
Speaker 2: up with him yet to give it to him since
Speaker 2: I bought it. I bought it last of the movies.
Speaker 1: We have all bought an our gift for somebody and
Speaker 1: we're like, I sort of like to keep this, but
Speaker 1: not usually something like a Shrek doll. Were plushing them.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they were stelling at the movie theater because they
Speaker 2: were doing the twenty fifth anniversary re release of Shrek
Speaker 2: the first one.
Speaker 1: Oh my goodness, So the what are there any stories
Speaker 1: that you encountered of ogres in any of these mythologies?
Speaker 1: It doesn't matter which one.
Speaker 2: I just was fascinated that they were in seventeen fairy tales,
Speaker 2: the one being most of the associated sleeping beauty. I mean,
Speaker 2: I'm sure there's many sleeping beauties, but or no, maybe
Speaker 2: there's just one. I just take that back. Maybe there's
Speaker 2: just one sleeping beauty. But I should have known from
Speaker 2: watching Shrek, because Shrek won. That just kind of like
Speaker 2: a sleeping beauty fairy tale.
Speaker 1: Almost, yes, absolutely, And the I mean most of the
Speaker 1: fairy tales that we know come from you know, Hans
Speaker 1: Christian Anderson and the Grimm's brothers and all, you know,
Speaker 1: especially the Grimsbros. They traveled around collecting sort of fairy
Speaker 1: tales and myths and legends. And remember that book was
Speaker 1: a kid and it's not it's not kids book. I mean,
Speaker 1: what we think of fairy tales and what fairy tales
Speaker 1: meant and fairies really are entirely two different things. I mean,
Speaker 1: fairies are representing all the faith folks. They're not like
Speaker 1: all tinker bells, and tinker bells, if you know, are
Speaker 1: only one small literally and figuratively subset of the fairies
Speaker 1: that you think of, like sprites with you know, with wings,
Speaker 1: but you know, but they were they weren't horror stories.
Speaker 1: They were. They were you know, things to keep kids
Speaker 1: at home, just like you know, ring around the rosie
Speaker 1: was a way to keep kids distracted, you know, not
Speaker 1: to worry about rose petals flying through the air because
Speaker 1: they were burning the dead from the bubonic flag.
Speaker 2: Mhm, well I had something else. And oh yeah, they're
Speaker 2: also really like to be They love to use them
Speaker 2: in like Dungeons and Dragons. They were a lot of
Speaker 2: like medieval type video game. You know, they're like usually
Speaker 2: a monster you have to defeat.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I think most of us got our
Speaker 1: intro introduction to most of these monsters, you know, as children,
Speaker 1: probably through you know, C. S. Lewis, J R. R.
Speaker 1: Tolkien and Dungeons of Dragons.
Speaker 2: And then I didn't know this was an actual fairy
Speaker 2: tale book. Puts Some Boots that's a story he was in.
Speaker 2: I never watched Puss in Boots. I know who puts
Speaker 2: some boots is from Shrek. I never watched the standalone movie.
Speaker 2: I heard it was good.
Speaker 1: I didn't watch it either.
Speaker 2: Okay, well, well I know that you like the character
Speaker 2: though when you watch Shrek, because I'm sure you've seen
Speaker 2: the first two or three Shreks, right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I saw the first three. Yeah, I mean listen,
Speaker 1: I just like saying Antonio be so, you know, just
Speaker 1: and I'll I will never not like him just because
Speaker 1: of the skits on Saraen Night Live where he was
Speaker 1: like leading the like Maracchi band and like he would
Speaker 1: unbutton his shirt and like the background people. No boss too,
Speaker 1: saxy too saxy. And I still sometimes find myself saying that,
Speaker 1: you know, in absurd times and no nobody gets the joke,
Speaker 1: No nobody, no nobody knows I'm talking. I can't even
Speaker 1: find the jiff anymore. They used to have it. But
Speaker 1: certain gifts get retired. It should probably tell me something,
Speaker 1: but it's just telling me people retire gifts too early.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I did see Trek one, two and three
Speaker 1: and and but you know this was was I don't
Speaker 1: know if I would have seen them on my I
Speaker 1: saw a lad and with with friends in law school.
Speaker 1: But I my kids were, you know, young children during
Speaker 1: the Shrek and they you know, they they did an
Speaker 1: age apt by the time Shrek three came. But Shrek
Speaker 1: was one of those movies that that you know, there
Speaker 1: was enough in it for adults as there were for kids.
Speaker 2: So yeah, you know it was funny. That was like
Speaker 2: my grandpa watched the first Shrek. Like he really didn't
Speaker 2: watch a lot of movies that were new, but he
Speaker 2: watched Shrek and had a good time when it first
Speaker 2: came out.
Speaker 1: I mean, my favorite part not that she surprised anybody,
Speaker 1: not the name, but she cares. When snow White called
Speaker 1: all the animals and and and she started instead of
Speaker 1: singing her little happy song, she she basically sang the
Speaker 1: Immigrants song by led Zeppelin, and all the animals attacked.
Speaker 1: He attacked the castle.
Speaker 2: That that was.
Speaker 1: That was a stroke of genius. So you know, I
Speaker 1: will not not like Trek for that. I mean, the
Speaker 1: movie's got progressively, you know less.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I didn't watch like once they hit three. I
Speaker 2: don't think I watched four or five or whatever. We're
Speaker 2: up to you now, but yeah, I didn't. I didn't
Speaker 2: even know if it was a four and five or
Speaker 2: if I did. I swiftly forgot.
Speaker 1: But listen, they kick started Eddie Murphy's second chapter second half.
Speaker 2: Oh you're telling me the adventures of Pluto Nash and help.
Speaker 1: If anything that hurt. I mean, I'm sure he got
Speaker 1: paid either way, so it helped him hopefully, with some
Speaker 1: investments in savings. But yeah where wise, No, definitely, definitely not. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I guess, oh yeah, it's my turn. So I put unicorns,
Speaker 1: and mostly because everyone thinks of unicorns as something nice
Speaker 1: and they're sort of magical and that you can grant wishes,
Speaker 1: you know, and you know, you find a unicorn, it's
Speaker 1: good luck. And this is no surprise here, this is
Speaker 1: this is not the case. And actually I think there
Speaker 1: was not I think I know this part. There was
Speaker 1: a movie maybe a year and a half ago by
Speaker 1: a twenty four called The Death of a Unicorn I
Speaker 1: think was it was Paul Yes, And I'm not saying
Speaker 1: it was a gray movie, but it was a good
Speaker 1: movie and its depiction of the unicorn was much truer
Speaker 1: to attitude attitudinally than than modern But originally it was
Speaker 1: not a beautiful month, you know monster. It didn't look
Speaker 1: like a beautiful horse and whatever. It was a terrible monster.
Speaker 1: And it probably harkens back. It probably is some sort
Speaker 1: of memory from you know men, you know who you know,
Speaker 1: megafarm or forma like the if you've ever seen a
Speaker 1: picture of the Siberian rhinoceros, not the wooly rhinoceros. But
Speaker 1: that Siberian rhinoceros, that is a that is a fantastic beast. Oh,
Speaker 1: it's fantastic.
Speaker 2: May get a picture up here.
Speaker 1: I don't know if you can't find when I I
Speaker 1: have a I saved the picture of it, and I
Speaker 1: think it was like my profile pick for a while.
Speaker 1: But I found that when you change your profile pick,
Speaker 1: people take all sorts of things from that and get
Speaker 1: confused and don't know who you are and think you've
Speaker 1: been hacked. So I've sort of stopped doing that. But yeah,
Speaker 1: that the And for a while I was convinced that
Speaker 1: the Siberian uh uh rhinoceros was not just the original unicorn,
Speaker 1: but that it was also behemoth, you know from the Bible,
Speaker 1: that that you know that an actual like orthodox rabbi
Speaker 1: told me killed Leviathon. But if that's the case, he
Speaker 1: was wrong or at least his I'll just call order
Speaker 1: or sect or divin denomination. Leviathon is still around. I
Speaker 1: mean the Viothon. It's like like one of God's final
Speaker 1: tasks will be to finally kill Leviathon. Like God keeps
Speaker 1: Leviathon around like the sort of you know, every now
Speaker 1: and then practices like you know, kung fu fighting skills,
Speaker 1: and sometimes it's a challenge and sometimes it's not. But
Speaker 1: you know, at the end of the day, he's just
Speaker 1: God's just playing because he's all powerful. But you know,
Speaker 1: one of his last one of his last acts. And
Speaker 1: like Jews don't really have eschatology. You know, there's no
Speaker 1: book of Revelation because the Age of Messiah hasn't occurred
Speaker 1: yet and and so then when the Age of Messiah comes,
Speaker 1: that means they'll be prophets again who will tell us
Speaker 1: about the future. But but one thing we know in
Speaker 1: the end is that one of God's final task will
Speaker 1: be finally get rid of viap on it. So I
Speaker 1: don't know where that rabbi came up with that from,
Speaker 1: but I've spoken to many people and I've learned that
Speaker 1: there's all sorts of different interpretations of Judaism. There you go,
Speaker 1: look at that thing. My goodness, oh god, if I.
Speaker 2: Didn't see that in like a video game before, because
Speaker 2: you see a lot of different animals and video games.
Speaker 1: Right, and that's a real animal. I mean, obviously that's
Speaker 1: a that's a picture. But there's one in the museum.
Speaker 1: There's you know where they stopped it. I mean, and
Speaker 1: you can see how big it is, like like a
Speaker 1: man reaching his hand up is only touching like the bottom,
Speaker 1: I don't know, quarter of of the horn, let alone
Speaker 1: not even coming close to the shoulder the hump, which
Speaker 1: is you know, just that beast. So you know that.
Speaker 1: And then everything got smaller, like you know, but still terrible,
Speaker 1: like basilisk or small dragons were small, everything, everything smaller
Speaker 1: until they got bigger. The big the bigger things were
Speaker 1: versions of people that were bigger, you know, giant cyclopses,
Speaker 1: you know, titans, whatever. That's all fun stuff. But yeah,
Speaker 1: I want to talk about the unicorn because just because
Speaker 1: it comes from a terrible route and now it's considered
Speaker 1: something fun and beautiful, And thank you to the folks
Speaker 1: at age twenty four who made a movie that actually
Speaker 1: showed that was you know, more more beasts than you know,
Speaker 1: an intelligent beast, but more beasts terrible. It should be
Speaker 1: respected and feared rather than you know, you should be
Speaker 1: trapes around for it. So I did do a show
Speaker 1: a long time ago with a woman named Nicki Anna Jones,
Speaker 1: which was not a real name, but she was you know,
Speaker 1: she was a plan in Indiana Jones, and during the
Speaker 1: course of the show she used to have her own channel.
Speaker 1: She might still I don't know, but shout out to
Speaker 1: her she does, if not to whoever the real name is,
Speaker 1: because I don't, you know, get into people's real names
Speaker 1: if they go I handle. But she said that she
Speaker 1: once saw unicorn when she was in a duncle. I
Speaker 1: think it's South America, and you know, I'd like to believer,
Speaker 1: but uh, I've never seen.
Speaker 2: A unicorn, Jeff, you gotta believe.
Speaker 4: I believe.
Speaker 1: I believe. I believe that that was the unicorn we're
Speaker 1: looking at in the middle there, and I believe that
Speaker 1: it's extinct, and I believe it did kill a lot
Speaker 1: of things, probably mostly in self defense or or you know,
Speaker 1: in some sort of rage protecting its you know, mate
Speaker 1: or cubs or whatever you calves, whatever you call a
Speaker 1: baby wooly rhinoceros.
Speaker 2: Some guess in uh, in that death of the unicorn,
Speaker 2: this is all cgi right, like they didn't get a
Speaker 2: real horse, and like strap a thing on the sand
Speaker 2: or how much is a unicorn even in that? Well,
Speaker 2: I guess we'll be getting spoilers, so maybe we shouldn't.
Speaker 1: A fair amount whether a CG or not. I'm not sure.
Speaker 2: I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't know the answer to that question. I'm not
Speaker 1: a cinophile, so I'm like, you know, you probably need
Speaker 1: to talk to the folks at the spitball media to
Speaker 1: find out those kinds of answers.
Speaker 2: That's yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean, I probably know when I see it, and
Speaker 1: I probably while I saw it. But it's it's I
Speaker 1: was whatever it was, it was, it was good. It
Speaker 1: looked like that there were animals right there. I mean,
Speaker 1: it didn't look like a you know, a video game
Speaker 1: or animation, but there, you know, but they were sort
Speaker 1: of magical, but they were they were grounded. So if
Speaker 1: it didn't look one hundred percent realistic, that wasn't going
Speaker 1: to bother me, because you're not supposed to be, you know,
Speaker 1: just a horse or just a zebra.
Speaker 2: I uh, You're one of the few people I've heard
Speaker 2: actually talked positive about that movie, though they got panned
Speaker 2: when it came out. I heard not a lot of
Speaker 2: people really liked it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know. There there are certain things. Listen,
Speaker 1: I'm famously picky. I famously hate a lot of things
Speaker 1: or dislike a lot of things that a lot of
Speaker 1: people love, but there are things I also strangely liked
Speaker 1: that that. Like, for instance, I think Wyat is brilliant,
Speaker 1: and I thought Tombstone was average. So I mean, that's
Speaker 1: got to be something like ninety seven to three against me.
Speaker 1: So you know, listen, I'm not a w Sickoh, I
Speaker 1: understand reality. I understand when I'm in the minority or something.
Speaker 1: So yeah, but I wasn't expecting anything. And I watched
Speaker 1: it at home, so you know, I got HBO Max
Speaker 1: with my HBO, so I didn't pay anything for it,
Speaker 1: so all of that plays in. I also didn't think
Speaker 1: Suicide Scott Squad was a bad movie. I didn't think
Speaker 1: it was a great movie, but I think it was
Speaker 1: a bad movie.
Speaker 2: I didn't mind either. Yeah, I really liked the first one.
Speaker 2: I don't know why they got I liked it better
Speaker 2: than the second. People see the second more.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then I didn't hate the second one, but
Speaker 1: I didn't think it was anything specially. I'm not a
Speaker 1: big fan of I mean, there have been James Gunn
Speaker 1: things that have been like Guardians of the Galaxy one
Speaker 1: is like a perfect movie. It's fantastic, but like, and
Speaker 1: I don't know, I'm sure he's done other things, but
Speaker 1: most of the things he've done, like, yeah, like I
Speaker 1: didn't get very excited when he took over from Zack Snyder.
Speaker 1: James Gun's not somebody that excites me. M. But he's
Speaker 1: not a mythological creature. So that's all I had on unicorns.
Speaker 1: I don't know if you wanted to add anything to
Speaker 1: it or if you wanted to move on to.
Speaker 2: Your h I guess again, they like to depict them
Speaker 2: on a lot of child stuff, like what you got,
Speaker 2: bronis you know, that's the that's the fan of my
Speaker 2: little pony. What do you call it? My little pony?
Speaker 1: Yeah, but there are unicorns, I think in the in
Speaker 1: the universe. And then unicorn, No Pegasus unicorn. Pegasus was
Speaker 1: just a winged horse, but a lot of times the
Speaker 1: people combined the two to sort of make a wing unicorn.
Speaker 1: And that's that's a nice thing about mythical creatures and
Speaker 1: timeras you can sort of mix and matches as you
Speaker 1: like because there's there's no rules, don't It doesn't have
Speaker 1: to be any biological, uh internal logic. They're they're magic,
Speaker 1: they're they're you know, they're they're from an age when
Speaker 1: you know, gods made what they want or or they were.
Speaker 1: They were formed at the same time of God, so
Speaker 1: the rules of physics and things don't apply.
Speaker 2: Side note.
Speaker 1: There's an author named Adrian Tchaikowsky who writes science fiction books.
Speaker 1: I'm not going to tell you that they're easy reads.
Speaker 1: I'm not going to tell you that every one of
Speaker 1: them is fantastic. But the way this man thinks about life,
Speaker 1: how it could evolve, how it could develop consciousness, how
Speaker 1: you can have the plurality of group thinking turning into
Speaker 1: uniform thinking, sharing information, different types of evolution. It is unbelievable,
Speaker 1: and I would say it's worth reading his books for
Speaker 1: that alone. I will say this Children of Time was
Speaker 1: a fantastic book, and the second one, which I don't
Speaker 1: remember the name, was also really good. The third one
Speaker 1: so I felt a little bit like an episode of
Speaker 1: Star Trek. But then when he wrote a fourth one,
Speaker 1: it became evident why it was so important. And he
Speaker 1: claims he was never planning to write sequels, but now
Speaker 1: I think it's sort of like one of these never
Speaker 1: ending things. In any event. Uh, that's just a little
Speaker 1: side note. If you want to try to figure out
Speaker 1: things actually could develop with there being rules of physics
Speaker 1: and science and logic behind them. I don't think there's
Speaker 1: anyone out there that's more creative and thinks more deeply
Speaker 1: about it and writes it in a way that you
Speaker 1: know you can understand better than he does. And it
Speaker 1: is he. He's British, but you know, you know, and
Speaker 1: has the last name of one of my favorite classical composers.
Speaker 1: So there's that also. Ah, so some bias in there
Speaker 1: probably Well, no, if I hated his book, I wouldn't
Speaker 1: mention it.
Speaker 2: But now we're probably getting to the horniest one on
Speaker 2: our list. Nice satyrs.
Speaker 1: Ah, yes, they are horny.
Speaker 2: Or no also known as Selenius or sells.
Speaker 1: Sell or rams fans.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I do not drink wine and I do not.
Speaker 2: I can't say the R word and here so they
Speaker 2: but wines with great That's what they tend to do
Speaker 2: to women. And they've always been depicted, uh with the
Speaker 2: direction most well not always. I guess we will get
Speaker 2: to the part their their childlike and some like fairy
Speaker 2: tales and other things like you've seen. Say, I don't
Speaker 2: know if you've ever watched the one in the watch
Speaker 2: in the wardrobe or read the book both Yeah. Uh,
Speaker 2: the one that befriended Lucy. That was a sayter right,
Speaker 2: m yeah pretty sure.
Speaker 1: It was almost like her guide, almost like her psychopomp.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Once I heard like what they do to women
Speaker 2: and stuff, I kind of like thought bad about them,
Speaker 2: Like thank god they didn't go there, like.
Speaker 1: I mean, you know what this is your second let me.
Speaker 2: Yes, Okay. They're also known as a spirit male nature
Speaker 2: spirit with ears and tails that resemble a horse. Even
Speaker 2: though as things go further along and uh, these tales
Speaker 2: of them, they start being known more goat like, they
Speaker 2: get more goat like features, they start getting goat horns
Speaker 2: and goat and goat noses stuff like that. And again
Speaker 2: they love their wine and let me flip over. They
Speaker 2: love wine. They love wine, music, dancing, and women. They
Speaker 2: were companions of the god. There's another word I'm gonna
Speaker 2: butcher dionysis. It's d n the dionysis.
Speaker 1: Okay, but you can say Bacchus the Roman version, it's easier.
Speaker 2: But she was the god or she or he was
Speaker 2: the god of wine, vegetation, fertility, festivity, madness, religious ecstasy,
Speaker 2: and theater.
Speaker 1: Often called.
Speaker 2: Often called what party Jesus party, but yes, that another
Speaker 2: thing I found out that I didn't know too much
Speaker 2: about where they have a lot of plays to pick
Speaker 2: it after him, So I guess that's what the theater
Speaker 2: the Yeah. Yeah, And they were also they're also to
Speaker 2: believed to roames such little sorry I getting. They were
Speaker 2: also believed to roam such the remote locations as woodlands, mountains,
Speaker 2: and pastures. Uh. They try to seduce nymphs in mortal women.
Speaker 2: What are nymphs.
Speaker 1: Nymphs are are female creatures of nature that that sort
Speaker 1: of are the embodiment of sort of like streams and
Speaker 1: brooks and and like other like woodland elements but like
Speaker 1: trees and flowers and like, you know, they're sort of
Speaker 1: like less lesser god goddesses. I would say they're more
Speaker 1: divine than the gin, but maybe more akin to it.
Speaker 1: But nymphs are also sort of they're also sort of
Speaker 1: all a lot of id you know, so like the
Speaker 1: state of nature is constant procreation to try to survive,
Speaker 1: which tells you a little bit about why the saturn
Speaker 1: is like the saturn. It's hees the male d and
Speaker 1: the nymph is sort of like the female it. I
Speaker 1: believe Achilles' mother was a nymph, but she might have
Speaker 1: been a goddess. I don't know. There's I get confused
Speaker 1: because some goddesses are nymphs and not all goddesses, and
Speaker 1: not all nymphs are created equal. And again these stories
Speaker 1: change over time. But yeah, I mean, listen, if you
Speaker 1: live in the woods, you're gonna find a lot of
Speaker 1: wood spirits, you know, and and some of them renemps.
Speaker 1: And if you're a horny guy, you're looking for a
Speaker 1: horny girl. It's sort of like, you know, if it's
Speaker 1: the nineties, you know you're gonna go to the Jersey Shore.
Speaker 2: You're go to the club.
Speaker 1: Club.
Speaker 2: What did Don Tony used to call those people cardboard
Speaker 2: cutout gangsters?
Speaker 1: Don't don't invoke his name on my show. Hey, he
Speaker 1: gave he gave us Kevin Castle.
Speaker 2: He did. And then, like I was bringing up later on,
Speaker 2: they became more human like.
Speaker 1: And I should have finish that thought. So we're thankful
Speaker 1: for that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, alright, p C absolutely their characteristics. Uh, okay, this
Speaker 2: is weird. I gotta make sure I'm up to read
Speaker 2: this ship making sure. Okay, characteristics. After confrontations with Pans
Speaker 2: and Pans, Okay, so they started to betraying human and
Speaker 2: got like form after having a conflict with the Pants,
Speaker 2: and it says Pans are the god of nature, the
Speaker 2: wild shepherds and the flocks and the mountain wilds.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so Pan, I think, I mean, I think at
Speaker 1: this point Pan has become interchangeable with a Sadder. But
Speaker 1: Pan was sort of different. I'm not exactly sure on
Speaker 1: the how, but yeah, Pan a god Sadders not exactly
Speaker 1: God's but again sort of like the Gin, sort of
Speaker 1: like an immortal creature, but definitely one that interacted with
Speaker 1: human and gods alike.
Speaker 2: And then they often appear in works of fantasy and
Speaker 2: children's literature, like I brought up the Lion, the Witch
Speaker 2: in the Wardrobe and one time he the There was
Speaker 2: an episode of Celebrity Death Match. I'm sure you know
Speaker 2: Celebrity death Match. Jeff people in the chat or they
Speaker 2: were chime traveling to get they were trying time traveling
Speaker 2: to get Debbie Matt Nopolis back from Napoleon and they
Speaker 2: ended up in Roman times and there was a sader
Speaker 2: and Nick Diamond had to fight a satyr and they
Speaker 2: totally depict it as what it was, horny and was
Speaker 2: drunk on wine and but Nick beat it.
Speaker 1: So, yeah, drunk goats are you know, I guess easier
Speaker 1: to fight than a nun. Drunk goats goats are me,
Speaker 1: but they can anger goat, Yeah, an angry goat. Yeah, goats.
Speaker 1: So the whole thing is sort of interesting because I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, everyone you know, goats demonicas. They've got those
Speaker 1: weird eyes and you know, who knows why the eyes
Speaker 1: evolved that way, but it's it's obviously been successful because
Speaker 1: there's you know whatever, you know, three thousand different kinds
Speaker 1: of goats, and you know, and the other unchulits with
Speaker 1: those kinds of including rams though I don't think their
Speaker 1: eyes are like that. But like, we have to take
Speaker 1: ourselves back thousands of years. So, horses weren't domesticated until
Speaker 1: like ten thousand years ago. As a tool, they were,
Speaker 1: they were game animal, they were they were hunted cattle
Speaker 1: probably a little bit later than that. You probably needed
Speaker 1: the horses to be able to have any more than
Speaker 1: than than some cattle, and they were wild cattle as well. Goats, however,
Speaker 1: goats were the original animal that we could domesticate for
Speaker 1: food and use sheep, you know, for clothes and you know,
Speaker 1: skins and and you know, and.
Speaker 2: You like goat milk, you found a goat milk or
Speaker 2: goat cheese or.
Speaker 1: I have had goat cheese. I like, I can't say
Speaker 1: that that if I've had goat mill that I liked it.
Speaker 1: I mean dogs, it's arguable whether we domesticate them or
Speaker 1: they domesticated us, but dovesticated me. But having goats that
Speaker 1: was wealth. So when you think about shepherds in like
Speaker 1: the biblical era and the pre biblical ere you're thinking
Speaker 1: about like people now that you know in Afghanistan sort
Speaker 1: of taking like you know, twenty goats across the street
Speaker 1: and cars have to wait for them and they wander,
Speaker 1: you know, in their shredded, tattered robes with a walking stick,
Speaker 1: you know, bent over. That wasn't then that that was wealth.
Speaker 1: That was like that was like you had the Yellowstone
Speaker 1: ranch with all the property taxes, so you know, and
Speaker 1: they were promiscuous animals, which is part of the success
Speaker 1: of them, I mean, especially once they were domesticated. You know,
Speaker 1: part of what the shepherd did and the dogs did
Speaker 1: is to keep them safe from wolves. So so yeah,
Speaker 1: these animals are always fucking. But these animals are always
Speaker 1: fucking because you know, three out of four of them
Speaker 1: aren't going to make it. You know, two year five
Speaker 1: is to be taken out by foxes and wolves and
Speaker 1: you know, cougars and lions, tigers and bears, and they
Speaker 1: were far more of those things then the plus you.
Speaker 2: Know, they get, I want to be taken out by
Speaker 2: a cougar. Don't you want to be taking maybe you
Speaker 2: are taken out by a cougar.
Speaker 1: Well, back then it wasn't even cougar. There were full
Speaker 1: blown lions that would take them out, so you know,
Speaker 1: things wherever. So anyway, the whole horn thing was sort
Speaker 1: of come from that stuf. I mean, that's where the
Speaker 1: word horny comes from, is the satyrs. But meanwhile, the
Speaker 1: like bowl was like the strongest thing. So by the
Speaker 1: time we got around to you know, bulls were on domesticatable,
Speaker 1: so that by the time the men domesticated cattle, the
Speaker 1: bulls were like that was the ultimate sign of wells
Speaker 1: because you know, they're much bigger. And where am I
Speaker 1: going with this? The Sumerian gods were all originally predicted
Speaker 1: depicted with horns on their heads. It was like it
Speaker 1: was a crown. And of course through Sumerian gods we
Speaker 1: can in the Babylonian and then at some point, you know,
Speaker 1: they became the bad guys and the defeated, and so
Speaker 1: anything with horn not you know, sort of turned into
Speaker 1: something bad. And then we have these wood nymphs. You know,
Speaker 1: they're they're they're busy having sex. So horny bad, devil, bad,
Speaker 1: Satan baduh. You know, so this is you know, theater,
Speaker 1: you know, all all this is you know, sort of
Speaker 1: bad influences on people, and you know, you know, but
Speaker 1: it got to the point where you know that that's
Speaker 1: why people were sacrificing goats because they were valuable. You
Speaker 1: weren't sacrificing, you know, just a silly little animal that
Speaker 1: you have an apenian, so you were you were sacrificing
Speaker 1: the big part of your wealth and your future wealth
Speaker 1: because goats you got other goats. So it was sort
Speaker 1: of a big deal where belly goat. But the main
Speaker 1: part was was that the oldest gods that we have
Speaker 1: images of, uh. You know that that sort of led
Speaker 1: to maybe all of the other odds that survived today
Speaker 1: had horns on their heads as as a depiction of
Speaker 1: their godliness, that they were stronger than men. They had
Speaker 1: the horns, and so it's it's easy to see why again,
Speaker 1: the the strong becomes the anti of whatever it is.
Speaker 1: The you know, the Temple of you know, the the
Speaker 1: Temple of Babylon, the gardens, the palace becomes the Tower
Speaker 1: of babyl you know, a bad thing. And you know,
Speaker 1: in the original story where u sacrifice was given to
Speaker 1: the god, the you know, the Babylonian god picked the
Speaker 1: pastoral gifts of the of the of the seed and
Speaker 1: the grain, not the meat. In canaan abel uh yahweh
Speaker 1: picked pick, picked the meat and rejected Caine in which
Speaker 1: you know, drove caine bananas. So it's but like a
Speaker 1: lot of these stories, like you sort of reverse the
Speaker 1: roles or the outcome, the story is the same, and
Speaker 1: the horn is just one of those things. Ironically, for
Speaker 1: the Jews, that the because of a depiction of Moses
Speaker 1: with a halo, which you know often was depicted as
Speaker 1: sun rays coming out of your head, basically like the
Speaker 1: Statue of Liberty. I mean, it was depicted as horns,
Speaker 1: and then that became a you know trope that Jews
Speaker 1: have horns, which still exists today. So back to the
Speaker 1: Samarians and back to the Saturn.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I guess it's the close it up real quick.
Speaker 2: This one I found it was interesting, uh, pre pre
Speaker 2: Islamic or the so sorry, they often been compared to
Speaker 2: the Gin for the pre alogue pre Islamic Arabia era.
Speaker 1: Yeah, a lot a lot of these things. I think
Speaker 1: the nymphs also, I'm gonna saying a lot of these
Speaker 1: things that are semi divine but also immortal, that can
Speaker 1: that that can interact with people. They represent different things,
Speaker 1: and I think that they get conscripted into into different
Speaker 1: roles and different names, and you put a little spin
Speaker 1: on it. I mean, you know in Arabia they're you know,
Speaker 1: less forests than there are sand and water and and
Speaker 1: you know sandstorms and fire and electricity and static electricity.
Speaker 2: And it's not just uh it's not just like a
Speaker 2: sand dens are likely to pick it just trees and sand.
Speaker 1: And well there's a coast. I mean there's a pretty
Speaker 1: there's yeah, I mean you know there's two. There's there's
Speaker 1: one on the Red Sea, and there's and then and
Speaker 1: there's one on you know, the Gulf of Oman and
Speaker 1: the straight upom Moves and the Persian Gulf. So I
Speaker 1: mean they're there and then the Indian Ocean there below
Speaker 1: as well, so there are coasts and the climate was
Speaker 1: very different, you know, uh, you know, even even five six,
Speaker 1: seven thousand years go. And yeah, climate doesn't change overnight
Speaker 1: usually unless like you know, tons of volcanoes erupt or
Speaker 1: meteor strikes. How does well, I mean, you know, I
Speaker 1: don't think he told us that it was going to
Speaker 1: happen anytime now. I think he accelerated the time by
Speaker 1: a few decades. But you know, who knows. Maybe we'll
Speaker 1: take our way out of that different com of dudes.
Speaker 2: One closing thought before we get to your next subject.
Speaker 2: I found it funny you do. In my research, they
Speaker 2: had a depicted picture of a satyr from five hundred BC,
Speaker 2: and he had a full erection and he had a
Speaker 2: wine cup sitting on top of the erection.
Speaker 1: Damn right, very you know, very very useful to these
Speaker 1: These creatures had very specific and they were with the Dionysius,
Speaker 1: who is about you know, fun and free love. I
Speaker 1: mean it's sort of like a sort of like a
Speaker 1: hippie but hey, but he was also about peace. And
Speaker 1: Dionysius was only sometimes part of the Twelve Olympians, not
Speaker 1: always welcome, which is why he was always wandering around
Speaker 1: having having good times and you know, sharing his thoughts,
Speaker 1: which some people call wisdom. Some people compared him to
Speaker 1: you know, sort of like Toath or you know, you know,
Speaker 1: but he's he's sort.
Speaker 4: Of a less less a low key chaos agents and
Speaker 4: more you know, let's all, let's all be cool and
Speaker 4: have a good time kind of kind of agent.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I think, what's your thoughts about religious ecstasy?
Speaker 2: I don't know, that word just seems funny. The god
Speaker 2: the religious ecstasy, you only have a religious horniness or
Speaker 2: you're at tracking religious people don't What does that mean?
Speaker 1: I would say that ecstasy is not necessarily sexual. I
Speaker 1: mean that that is maybe the simplest form of I mean,
Speaker 1: ecstatic states are what the profits and what oracles were
Speaker 1: said to be in sort of one where you can't
Speaker 1: control your body because something else is entered into you.
Speaker 1: And so religious would mean that something divine has entered
Speaker 1: into you, you know, as opposed to that you you know,
Speaker 1: you know, achieved a climax with someone that you wanted
Speaker 1: to achieve a climax with, even if that person is yourself.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I think, really, you know, I think the
Speaker 1: way we use ecstasy is maybe a little bit different,
Speaker 1: but I think it's about a spiritual awakening. There's and
Speaker 1: there's a lot of time into psychedelics and sort of
Speaker 1: lose you know, sort of you know, getting into that
Speaker 1: higher realm of being able to reach reality or see
Speaker 1: spheres of reality, or you know, seeing God, seeing the
Speaker 1: supernatural scene beyond the matrix, whatever. A lot of that
Speaker 1: is helped by psychedelics mushrooms. Remember, wine and beer and
Speaker 1: things like that were a lot stronger than they are now.
Speaker 2: The wine was made way more fermented about when too.
Speaker 1: For sure, and in fact, the reason why people one
Speaker 1: of the reasons why people drank wine beer so often
Speaker 1: and water it down was to develop a tolerance for
Speaker 1: it so that when they wanted to party, they they
Speaker 1: really got it on.
Speaker 2: They could they could, you know, drink like her baby.
Speaker 2: I could drink my light beers, my woggers and stuff.
Speaker 2: But it comes to those I pas or those dark
Speaker 2: beers or those stouts, those true beers, like I can't.
Speaker 2: I can't.
Speaker 1: I I famously prefer not to drink beer if I
Speaker 1: I mean, I will, but it's I can't drink enough
Speaker 1: beers to well I probably could now because I drink
Speaker 1: so infrequently and probably a lightweight. But one of the
Speaker 1: things I'm snooty about is liquor and and but I'm
Speaker 1: but I'm also, like I said, a lightweight because I
Speaker 1: drink like maybe twice a year. So it's so I'm
Speaker 1: actually I'm an expensive date, but I'm a cheap expensive
Speaker 1: date on that, like the like the two drinks will
Speaker 1: be expensive. But that's all all, That's all I'll take,
Speaker 1: all right. My next was The wind to Go, and
Speaker 1: mostly because the Wendy Go has turned into sort of
Speaker 1: like almost like a werewolf with ear antlers and you know,
Speaker 1: that kind of thing, and that's not what it was.
Speaker 1: The Wendigo was. So it's origins, at least with the
Speaker 1: word Wendigo is from the northwest North America, which probably
Speaker 1: means it also traveled from Siberia. But the legend is
Speaker 1: that it was a bunch of Native Americans or First Nations,
Speaker 1: whichever phrase you prefer, who got lost, you know, or
Speaker 1: or were trapped in the mountains, you know, on a
Speaker 1: hunting party and they ended up having to they ate
Speaker 1: each other like real life. They got into cannibalism, and
Speaker 1: because that is taboo was taboo. It's too pretty much
Speaker 1: everywhere except a few places and a few cultures. You know,
Speaker 1: the bad guys are always cannibals, and the bad guys
Speaker 1: are also eating babies, stealing and eating babies. Those those
Speaker 1: are you know, and and all id. So they got
Speaker 1: transformed into creatures that could never die. They could never
Speaker 1: be satisfied. They were rapacious gluttony, but but they could
Speaker 1: never be full. And they were not like were wolves
Speaker 1: with antlers. They were more like what you saw the figures.
Speaker 1: They were like trying to squeeze out of the wall
Speaker 1: and pain Floyd the wall, or like Edwards. As far
Speaker 1: as this the screen, they were almost like slender Man.
Speaker 1: They were long, emaciated, stretched out people, skeletal, you could
Speaker 1: barely distinguish human features. But they were you know, two
Speaker 1: eyes a place where there was a nose out, and
Speaker 1: they would well and and and they could only be
Speaker 1: satisfied by eating human meat. But they could never be satisfied.
Speaker 1: They were so they but so it was a constant quest.
Speaker 2: To do they have brain William syndrome.
Speaker 1: They were cursed. It was an eternal damnation. But the
Speaker 1: damnation was also would befall any you know wayward, you know,
Speaker 1: the soul they would encounter them. So the lesson is
Speaker 1: it's not about you know, good or bad. You you
Speaker 1: can suffer the fate no matter what, just by being unlucky,
Speaker 1: which is sort of true in life. But you know,
Speaker 1: if you want to come out like this, then you know,
Speaker 1: eat people. If you don't want to come out like this,
Speaker 1: don't eat people. Other bad things, you know, and you know,
Speaker 1: so no cannibalism, no good. You know, eat grass, eat tree, bark,
Speaker 1: do whatever, or or suffer in silence and and you know,
Speaker 1: die a noble death, but don't eat people. It was
Speaker 1: it was Itali against cannibalism basically, and the curse of
Speaker 1: you know, because even because even when they were eating,
Speaker 1: they were looking for their next meal, and their next
Speaker 1: meals were twenty four seven, three hundred and sixty five.
Speaker 1: You know, keep doing the math.
Speaker 2: It's like an alcoholic with a beer, like I'm looking
Speaker 2: forward to my next beer. I need.
Speaker 1: You've been mentioned beer a lot this show. I'm not
Speaker 1: worried about you live beers are not.
Speaker 2: No. I haven't had a beer today though I think.
Speaker 1: You're on the West coast. It's it's more, it's am
Speaker 1: where you are. I'm glad you didn't have a beer
Speaker 1: yet today. My goodness, you need to do I'm gonna
Speaker 1: need to call the other Jack to do an intervention.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so this is nothing Native American, because I swear,
Speaker 2: like what I used to hear about winding I thought,
Speaker 2: this is there like a windygo tribe or maybe that's
Speaker 2: like something totally different.
Speaker 1: Probably not entirely different. I mean, there are a lot
Speaker 1: of different tribes, and I know the nations peoples with
Speaker 1: lots of different words, and and then sure there's ones.
Speaker 1: I mean, of course there's a Winnebago. I went to
Speaker 1: a camp called Winak, so there's.
Speaker 2: You educated me a little bit because yeah, I just
Speaker 2: needed to pick because I played this game called Until Dawn,
Speaker 2: and the Windy Goes were after you in that game,
Speaker 2: trying to kill you and you're trying to survive. So
Speaker 2: and it's like you said, they depict them with the
Speaker 2: horns and the you know, but they're like.
Speaker 1: They're like zombies, are our current zombies, which again I
Speaker 1: use the word revenance a lot because there's a lot
Speaker 1: of creatures that could fall under revenants. But basically they're
Speaker 1: undead and hungry and they're they're trying to kill you
Speaker 1: for what for one reason or another or one's.
Speaker 2: Just like a zombie too, like what they depict zombies.
Speaker 2: And they never get full either, right, they just got.
Speaker 1: To eat and eat you need exactly right. So yeah,
Speaker 1: they're they're they're og zombies, I suppose.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's a vampire ever gets four on blood
Speaker 2: or doesn't always needs its blood.
Speaker 1: Well, the vampire. I don't know if the vampire is
Speaker 1: on your list or not, but no, vampires, the modern
Speaker 1: version of a vampire can can be satiated for a
Speaker 1: period of time, and that period of time depends and
Speaker 1: you know, now they can you know, also touch on
Speaker 1: as they sleep for centuries or whatever. The original whatever
Speaker 1: original vampire was, it was a slow morphane. And I've
Speaker 1: done shows on the vampires with my good friend see
Speaker 1: the Superior. We did two shows on vampires, one in
Speaker 1: literature and one elsewhere. But I would argue that the
Speaker 1: original descriptions of vampire is indecipherable. From the from a
Speaker 1: skin walker, from a revenant, from a witch, uh, and
Speaker 1: from a zombie. They all sort of were the same
Speaker 1: thing that slowly became different things. Yeah, and then and
Speaker 1: which and whichever culture was doing some involved. There's lots
Speaker 1: of creatures that that were bloodsuckers that have now been
Speaker 1: you know, cast as part of the vampire family tree.
Speaker 1: But I mean some of there's like there's like no
Speaker 1: connection in you know, to China, in in like you know, uh,
Speaker 1: you know, to what was happy on and say central Europe.
Speaker 1: But I don't know, maybe somewhere there was there was
Speaker 1: a route. I'm always amenable to that. I'm just not
Speaker 1: particularly amenable to the Graham Hancock notion that it was
Speaker 1: from Atlantis. I am more of amenable to the von
Speaker 1: Danigan that it was Aliens, because you know, aliens wre
Speaker 1: make more sense to me than some super cult super society.
Speaker 1: But again, I like Wyatt more than Tombstone. So what
Speaker 1: do I know.
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Speaker 1: of MLW wrestling. So we have an insider and the
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Speaker 1: Kevin's the producers in the background. We're going to start
Speaker 1: doing an NXT review show, and I do a show
Speaker 1: called Adam Character, which has sort of taken over the
Speaker 1: book a Black Gospel of Thomas, and it's expanded from
Speaker 1: just talking to people in wrestling is also in entertainment.
Speaker 1: So we did a show with Annie Pacifico, wrestler who's
Speaker 1: been in lots of horror movies with one of his
Speaker 1: colleagues co workers, actress Amber Brook, and she's going to
Speaker 1: come back on the Garden of Thought. And this week
Speaker 1: we have a gentleman coming on, Matt Pravenza, who's working
Speaker 1: on a moving out but he's also worked on Terrifyer
Speaker 1: and stuff like that. So lots of fun stuff going
Speaker 1: on there. And I haven't given up on the wrestler stuff,
Speaker 1: and I haven't given up on PJ. I mean total
Speaker 1: side story. But PJ is like trying to get me
Speaker 1: to go within to Costa Rica, and I don't think
Speaker 1: I can really afford to go to Coasta Ricaca stuff. Yeah, uh, no, no,
Speaker 1: there's nothing to do with that. I would love to
Speaker 1: go with gender morehall. I also don't know, being who
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Speaker 1: know who the boys are. And I think that the
Speaker 1: first definition of not being one of the boys is
Speaker 1: that you don't ask who the other boys are. But
Speaker 1: apparently there's a test, there's a vetting test, so the
Speaker 1: the shaman has to pass you first. So I have
Speaker 1: not yet spoken to the shaman, so like the shaman
Speaker 1: may not pass me. No, it's not. It's like a
Speaker 1: shaman of like psychedelics, I would imagine, and spiritual enlightenment
Speaker 1: and and and you know, and helping me reach my
Speaker 1: spiritual awakening potential.
Speaker 2: Is it all right if I do some plugs at
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Speaker 4: Of the baby.
Speaker 1: The end of the show, do you listen to the show?
Speaker 1: This is a free plug zone. And I plugged you
Speaker 1: in the beginning as well, didn't I just don't know.
Speaker 2: I got I gotta I got a list of people
Speaker 2: I gotta plug.
Speaker 1: No, no, we're not plugging every show. You plug your
Speaker 1: own show.
Speaker 2: Oh, come on there. Some of them are like, are
Speaker 2: friends with us? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Yea yeah, when when they have me on their shows,
Speaker 1: I plugged their shows, so they have your show, right,
Speaker 1: and I plugged them, And I've gone on their shows
Speaker 1: and they plugged me. That that's how it works. I
Speaker 1: don't need to list every goddamn show all day.
Speaker 2: Shout out today, listen, you.
Speaker 1: Just you just stick to hear the the three creatures here,
Speaker 1: we're done with Wendy goes right.
Speaker 2: No, I did a bad thing on the list. I
Speaker 2: only did four because when I was gonna do five,
Speaker 2: I crossed up genies, so I only did four. But okay,
Speaker 2: we're doing good with this.
Speaker 1: Well, what's your fourth?
Speaker 2: Golm uh huh, cool, let's go. Let's go, Yes, golum baby,
Speaker 2: this was probably shows. All your plugs are plugs.
Speaker 1: We're both part of the Wrestling super.
Speaker 2: Universe, hey, but only one of us is part of
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Speaker 1: So I have no control over that.
Speaker 2: I just busted balls and.
Speaker 1: I and I assure you that's that's more because of
Speaker 1: Lou than it is because of me. Yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: one of us was. It was the wrestler for twenty
Speaker 1: six years one of us sat on our ass most
Speaker 1: of our lives. Guess who's who? Sorry?
Speaker 2: The Golan is a creature formed out of a lifeless
Speaker 2: substance such as dirt, dust, dirt or mud, and it
Speaker 2: says also or earth. So I guess anything anything from
Speaker 2: the earth, just as long as it's lifeless. But art,
Speaker 2: I guess it couldn't be plants and stuff, because that's
Speaker 2: what plants have life, So you have to stick to
Speaker 2: the dirt and mud.
Speaker 1: Is the swamp thing of golem. I mean, this is
Speaker 1: an interesting philosophical arc debate we could have.
Speaker 2: Ah this, I was kind of fascinating thinking about that. Yeah,
Speaker 2: because when because there's two or three different golems, and
Speaker 2: the one that I was most associated with is the
Speaker 2: one from that famous German silent horror film from the
Speaker 2: nineteen fifteen and nineteen twenties. You did a series of
Speaker 2: three of them. You know that Golan film I'm talking
Speaker 2: about is a silent you could watch for free on
Speaker 2: YouTube if but he is curious, have you ever heard
Speaker 2: of a movie called Golan from the nineteenth from nineteen fifteen?
Speaker 1: I don't think so, sir.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's uh, it's basically uh so you get. So
Speaker 2: this guy resurrects from an amulet. He resurrects a golm,
Speaker 2: and the goldam falls in love with his daughter. I
Speaker 2: think it is. I think it was his daughter who
Speaker 2: was like a friend or something. And when the woman
Speaker 2: refuses to return the love to the golam, he just
Speaker 2: goes on like a murderous rampage. But it's a silent film,
Speaker 2: so okay, Well, I mean, like I'm curious to see
Speaker 2: those one day. Like most Faratu and Golden, like, you know,
Speaker 2: silent films had their time. You know, it's gotta be
Speaker 2: a little patient with them.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's interesting that golams are made of
Speaker 1: something that that's considered dead. It's not alive. However, Adam
Speaker 1: and Eve were made from things, or at least Adam
Speaker 1: was made from I think it's clay or dust. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know what.
Speaker 2: I was mentioned in the research that I was doing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean in Norse, it was Elbe and asked
Speaker 1: were the first people? And they were made out of driftwood,
Speaker 1: so by by Odin and his two brothers. It's actually
Speaker 1: that that story is pretty funny because Odin just makes them.
Speaker 1: But basically, like a statues, He's like eh, and then
Speaker 1: he gets bored and walks off. One of his brothers
Speaker 1: I forgot their names, then gives them sort of sentience
Speaker 1: or gives them the ability to move around, and he
Speaker 1: and he gets bored and walks off, and then the
Speaker 1: third brothers like, oh, that better make them think, and
Speaker 1: so the third brother give they really think and walks out.
Speaker 1: But also made of driftwood, and in the in the
Speaker 1: Sumerian or Babylonian, I mean, I think it's largely the same.
Speaker 1: So they were higher gods and lower gods, which is
Speaker 1: nothing unusual at all. And at some point the lower
Speaker 1: gods were working for the high gods, and the lower
Speaker 1: gods are like, we're tired.
Speaker 2: Of doing this.
Speaker 1: So the how god said, fair enough, you know you've
Speaker 1: done the hard work. You've built mountains and you old
Speaker 1: seas and things like that, So how about this, why
Speaker 1: don't you make even another lower class of gods, which
Speaker 1: they did, and they would called the gig or a geggy.
Speaker 1: It was eg e g I, and they revaulted at
Speaker 1: some point after they're like, we don't want to do this, like, fine,
Speaker 1: make something else. So basically out of dirt and clay
Speaker 1: and whatever. They made humans to serve the gods and
Speaker 1: or Dirk, right, and of course they made Dirk, of course,
Speaker 1: who still lives amongst us today, who may in fact
Speaker 1: be the last remaining Gollum. He might be the king
Speaker 1: of the Gollums for all we know. Of course, Gollum
Speaker 1: the name in Tolkien, No, I mean, maybe there's a
Speaker 1: relationship to the name, but there's no relationship in the character.
Speaker 1: And yeah, gollums are basically Frankenstein's but not made out
Speaker 1: of dead organic materials. They're made out of inorganic materials
Speaker 1: and rose to you know, Gollum of prop was there
Speaker 1: to defend the Jewish people in the Jewishetto from from
Speaker 1: their enemies. And the interesting thing about the Gollum of
Speaker 1: Prague was on I'll just say his head. I guess
Speaker 1: it's a hey was the Hebrew word for either truth
Speaker 1: or death, and I can't remember which one it is.
Speaker 1: It's sort of important because when you when you erased
Speaker 1: the first letter and you cook because he's made of
Speaker 1: mud or whatever, and you could you could erased the
Speaker 1: word and when you raise the first letter, if it
Speaker 1: was death, now it became truth. If it was truth,
Speaker 1: then it became death. So I'm going to guess that
Speaker 1: it was truth and then you erased it and death
Speaker 1: and then you know, sort of like the fiend with
Speaker 1: his you know, heal and hert gloves, you know, or
Speaker 1: how I wanted them to be that once you unleash
Speaker 1: the death mode in the gollum, that enacted the death.
Speaker 1: But I'm not sure if I have that right. But
Speaker 1: I know the part about the letters, I just don't
Speaker 1: know which was the word before you wiped off the
Speaker 1: first letter. But I thought that was a very interesting thing,
Speaker 1: and that doesn't you know, And you know, I don't
Speaker 1: know if the origin came from people recognize that the
Speaker 1: Hebrew words that you could do that, or if the
Speaker 1: legend predated that, because I mean, Hebrew is a very
Speaker 1: old language, and the Hebrew we know now is not,
Speaker 1: you know, old Hebrew, and that's not proto Hebrew, and
Speaker 1: you know, proto Hebrew actually took the their alphabet from Aramaic,
Speaker 1: which is even older, which is weird. Side note about Aramaic.
Speaker 1: Aramaic was one of the most used languages of the time.
Speaker 1: But the interesting thing is Aramic was not the language
Speaker 1: of the conquerors. It was the language of the conquered.
Speaker 1: So while the Akkadians and the Babylonians and the Persians
Speaker 1: and even the Israelites and all sorts of other people,
Speaker 1: the Assyrians hip flights were conquerors. Aramaic, the langue was
Speaker 1: the lingua franca of the people, So it's interesting that
Speaker 1: that's the language that survived, you know. Anyway, that's my
Speaker 1: little interesting Arabics. I not, but I don't have much
Speaker 1: else to add about the Gollum except the people often.
Speaker 2: So I got a bunch.
Speaker 1: But Frank I was the man playing god. This was
Speaker 1: sort of like Jewish mystical magic, like c k at
Speaker 1: the end, but I'm not but that's more Kabbalistic, which
Speaker 1: is more like Middle Ages, like you know, tenth century
Speaker 1: CE to thirteenth century CE and going forward. Obviously, if
Speaker 1: it's written in the Bible, it was older than that.
Speaker 1: So I'm not sure if it's a magical thing or
Speaker 1: it's a God did it thing.
Speaker 2: When s creatures are always brought together by rituals and letters.
Speaker 1: Well that sounds like magic to me.
Speaker 2: Give a nation, so yeah, you gotta, and that's how
Speaker 2: it summon and it becomes a helper or a companion
Speaker 2: and or a rescue of an imperial Jewish community. Originally,
Speaker 2: creating a golden was a scene as a way to
Speaker 2: get closer to God. That's why people were doing it. Well,
Speaker 2: not everybody was doing it, but they were doing it.
Speaker 2: They're in two verses of the Bible Psalms Psalm one
Speaker 2: thirty nine. And I didn't write down these verses, by
Speaker 2: the way, but in a I'm prepared, I know ship.
Speaker 2: I only wrote freaking almost six pages of notes.
Speaker 1: It's someday and I write a singer Psalm come on.
Speaker 2: And he's also in perky avat five five point nine
Speaker 2: or five er. How do you say this word? It's
Speaker 2: p I P I r K E I I and
Speaker 2: then of a V O T and then five nine.
Speaker 1: The five.
Speaker 2: I should have wrote him down because anyone in there.
Speaker 1: I don't know. We'll go a perky at. That's I'm
Speaker 1: sure somewhere that someone out there knows what it is.
Speaker 1: I am not that someone.
Speaker 2: Yes, And he was also okay. This is another reason
Speaker 2: why I think I only know there's more the version
Speaker 2: of Golam that looks like stone because of the movie
Speaker 2: is the silent movie. And then I don't know if
Speaker 2: you ever saw the Treehouse a horror episode where they
Speaker 2: Barre had a golm. I think it was Bart had a.
Speaker 1: Gold Okay, so like like a lot of us. I
Speaker 1: I mean to me, a golam is somewhere between the
Speaker 1: Sandman from Spider Man when he's in a human form and
Speaker 1: the thing from the Fantastic Floor.
Speaker 2: That's a good way of putting it. Yeah, it's definitely
Speaker 2: a good way of put it, for sure. And then
Speaker 2: it seems they also have the Gin like qualities or
Speaker 2: no that gin, but like Genie like qualities where they
Speaker 2: have to be subservient to whoever summons them.
Speaker 1: Right, Yes, they definitely serve their master, sort of like
Speaker 1: the the whether the Sorcerer's Apprentice. I mean that that's
Speaker 1: it's sort of the same. So Frankenstein as that story,
Speaker 1: the Galama is that story. It's it's like, you know,
Speaker 1: when when you when you screw with magic, when you
Speaker 1: play with magic, you better know what you're doing because
Speaker 1: if you don't, it's it's it's it's more powerful, you know,
Speaker 1: letting loose power 'es basically the theme of the movie
Speaker 1: Oppenheimer as well.
Speaker 2: No great movie. You stn't seen that, By the way, home.
Speaker 2: How do you know that? Byselvin's seen it because we
Speaker 2: were movie talk when Halt Richard Holiday put up a
Speaker 2: post about Christopher Nolan movies.
Speaker 1: It was weeks ago.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I want to remember it.
Speaker 1: By the way, Richard Holiday, who refuses to interact with
Speaker 1: me even though he did a few years ago, because
Speaker 1: I used to give him grief. He used to call
Speaker 1: himself the solbro prietor, and I'm like, and you know
Speaker 1: his his his whole thing is that my father lawyer.
Speaker 1: And they're like he would always say my attorney and
Speaker 1: they're like, it's your dad. He's like my father lawyer
Speaker 1: that was, And he called himself the solber prietor. I'm like,
Speaker 1: why your father lawyer would be very disappointed. You should
Speaker 1: be an LLC, should be a limited liability coming now
Speaker 1: a solid proprietorship. Why would you want this liability? He's like,
Speaker 1: He's like, sole proprietor is more marketable. And I'm thinking
Speaker 1: to myself, why sol proprietor more marketable than LLC or
Speaker 1: limited liability? Limited liability? Richard Holiday sounds better than soul proprietor.
Speaker 1: Richard Holiday. But anyway, rumor has it that he might
Speaker 1: be signed by W W E. So clearly he knows
Speaker 1: better than I do.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just watch out for that id stuff because.
Speaker 1: Richard, I remember you. I remember you when.
Speaker 2: Jeff Canna before they were famous.
Speaker 1: Right, so many people I've been left in the dust
Speaker 1: by so many people.
Speaker 2: Don't worry.
Speaker 1: And you know what, when they fall back down again,
Speaker 1: you know who they're gonna remember properly.
Speaker 2: Well, see, it only took one for me. I wasn't
Speaker 2: gonna go through that again. I was like one done here.
Speaker 2: You have way more patience than I do.
Speaker 1: Jeff, No, Sean, I mean I do not. I don't
Speaker 1: have more patient Well I do you have, some Russians?
Speaker 1: So I have an.
Speaker 2: I have an.
Speaker 1: I have an endless repositor or reservoir for suffering. But
Speaker 1: the other thing about me is that I don't learn
Speaker 1: from my mistakes uniformly because I also suffer from hubris,
Speaker 1: and I don't think it's gonna happen to me, even
Speaker 1: though many variations of it has happened to me and
Speaker 1: continue to happen to me. So basically, I'm an idiot.
Speaker 2: So you're goutting for punishment, as they say.
Speaker 1: Except I hate punishment. But yeah, I'm self destructive.
Speaker 2: You know, you're that dog that gets but keeps coming back.
Speaker 1: As Tony Soprano said to doctor Melfie, are all our
Speaker 1: own worst enemy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh, don't even get me started on doctor Milfie.
Speaker 2: Oh hey, no, hey.
Speaker 1: My bad. Back to Gollums.
Speaker 2: I've been running through sopranos lately. By the So, we
Speaker 2: have a gold. We have a Polish version of the
Speaker 2: Golum that was uh, it's called the golll c h
Speaker 2: E l c h E l M made of I wish,
Speaker 2: but it was summoned by Elijahell.
Speaker 1: Oh, okay, that's not Elijah the Prophet, a different Elijah.
Speaker 2: And it's not walk with Elijah from TNA either.
Speaker 1: No, no, certainly not not Elijah Burke the Pope.
Speaker 2: The Angelo de Niro. And then this one I didn't
Speaker 2: uh oh, this one you kind of covered the Gold
Speaker 2: of Prague. It's a praguer Prague. I think you said pro.
Speaker 1: It's but go ahead and say say what you have
Speaker 1: this You probably you actually took notes on it.
Speaker 2: I'm just going from well, just basically I wrote down
Speaker 2: it was created down of clay in the Batavian the
Speaker 2: bit of Batavian beat no v I t a v
Speaker 2: a bit of Van River, which is one of the last. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah. The only reason I know that is because I
Speaker 1: got it wrong on a trivia question today last night
Speaker 1: on YouTube. I thought it was.
Speaker 2: So it's a two hundred This is this blew my
Speaker 2: mind because I didn't know. But the two hundred and
Speaker 2: sixty eight mile long river.
Speaker 1: There's a lot that. There's a lot of rivers in Europe.
Speaker 1: That's why there's all these cities.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I go. I was talking to my buddy yesterday.
Speaker 2: I was like, I'm so jealous, like of Europe and
Speaker 2: other countries, like yeah, we got oh yeah, cool, we
Speaker 2: got what the Empire state Building and the Statue of
Speaker 2: Liberty and like all this thing over there. They got
Speaker 2: freaking cathedrals and freaking like things in the brounds. Is
Speaker 2: the the fifteen hundreds of sixteen hundreds even before then,
Speaker 2: like a stuff that hasn't been touched.
Speaker 1: Well so well, so to wait, it's just you have
Speaker 1: to go to Hope Well and Cahokia and places like
Speaker 1: that to see what what are trivially called the mounds,
Speaker 1: but they're not mounds. They're they're giant earthworks. They're basically pyramids. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so we have lots of cool stuff here as well.
Speaker 1: And if you just go down to Meso American South America,
Speaker 1: you got Taylor Teklon and and all and Macha Pico
Speaker 1: and just like there's there's so much stuff down there.
Speaker 1: So every place has its stuff. But yeah, obviously in
Speaker 1: Europe there's more things. They're near and dear to our
Speaker 1: hearts because we were raised on European history, so.
Speaker 2: You know, and you know, brothers of Europe. Right now,
Speaker 2: you got to spend a week in you have to
Speaker 2: spend a week in Paris, and then you got to
Speaker 2: do two weeks in Armenia.
Speaker 1: All right, very cool, all right, so what well, there's
Speaker 1: the little problem the Gola of Chiulm do.
Speaker 2: I wish I knew what the Golam did and I
Speaker 2: stopped by us for some reason. Why did I do that? Jeff?
Speaker 1: You fell asleep. It's all the beer.
Speaker 2: No, I can't drink this early, like you said, Well,
Speaker 2: I don't know when you took the notes. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: oh that is that is good. Well these notes I
Speaker 2: saved Golm for last, so these were last, and that's
Speaker 2: why these ones have a little bit less. But I
Speaker 2: will close and say that they have appeared in sixteen
Speaker 2: works of TV and movies, including like I said, Simpsons,
Speaker 2: they have their own movie silent movies. And then about
Speaker 2: set fifteen works of literature. And then this was an
Speaker 2: interesting note. I found the creators of Marvel. The comic
Speaker 2: guy's Jack Kirby and the other guy like it on
Speaker 2: his name actually said captain America is a form. It's
Speaker 2: like his own. It is like a Golan. He's like
Speaker 2: a Golan. He said.
Speaker 1: Okay, I mean.
Speaker 2: They didn't get into detail the like what I saw
Speaker 2: and was like a little reference, So they I didn't get.
Speaker 2: Maybe maybe they went in a deeper detail as to
Speaker 2: why I just saw a very little short answer.
Speaker 1: Okay, creature of man, I suppose. I mean they were
Speaker 1: both Jews, so they were probably uh, you know, influenced
Speaker 1: by you know, the Jewish superhero or or you know
Speaker 1: the Gollum. Yeah, Samson wasn't available, you know, sort of
Speaker 1: Jewish hercules as sleeping with the enemy. Literally all right,
Speaker 1: all right, since you went to four and I went
Speaker 1: to six, I'm gonna do short on my fifth, which
Speaker 1: is cracking. And I mostly picked cracking for one reason
Speaker 1: because most people know tracking from the class of the
Speaker 1: or class of the Titans movies uh which are Greek mythology.
Speaker 1: The cracking is by no means from Greek mythology. They
Speaker 1: imported the kracking from Norse mythology and Northern European mythologies.
Speaker 1: The kraken is a giant squid. It's not like, you
Speaker 1: know that the sort of beasts that they made. The
Speaker 1: only similarity is is that lives in water, and that
Speaker 1: it has sort of the beak, which is what an
Speaker 1: archatucis has, which you know, you know, giant squid, squids
Speaker 1: have beaks, you know, with with you know, their version
Speaker 1: of so you know. Also the kraken and was the
Speaker 1: Sigal and then the spirit animal of the the Iron
Speaker 1: Islands in Game of Thrones where theon gray Joy was from.
Speaker 1: They would say, you know, their whole thing was, yeah,
Speaker 1: that which is dead could not cannot be killed, you know,
Speaker 1: so sort of a little immortality thing there as well.
Speaker 1: And of course the sigal was the with the tentacles
Speaker 1: going in in you know, the directions in the spin wheel,
Speaker 1: which is sort of a turn been a sign of
Speaker 1: fertility in the cycle of life. So that's why I
Speaker 1: have on krakens I don't know if you want, I
Speaker 1: think to add from that's unfair.
Speaker 2: Yep, the big one that makes sense because like I
Speaker 2: didn't think all swim and now that makes im thinking
Speaker 2: of that Pokemon squid and head of the beak, and
Speaker 2: I always wondered why, Yeah, that's pretty cool. And then
Speaker 2: I know the Seattle hockey team cracking. I know hockey.
Speaker 2: I'm not even make hockey guy, but the crack, it's
Speaker 2: just a when you hear the cracking, you know, cracking,
Speaker 2: like you said, at least the cracking.
Speaker 1: Like I always say, I'm a wrestling fan. I don't
Speaker 1: watch sports.
Speaker 2: Oh no, hang on, you're that special wrestling fan. You're
Speaker 2: that wrestling fan that says he doesn't watch it all,
Speaker 2: even though you kind of watch it.
Speaker 1: No, I don't watch sports. I didn't watch a single
Speaker 1: second of the World Cup.
Speaker 2: No, no, I said, you want to know that you're
Speaker 2: a wrestling fan that says you don't watch it, but
Speaker 2: you kind of do watch it.
Speaker 1: Watch wrestling. I watched way too much wrestling, but I
Speaker 1: often will fast forward through the middle parts of match,
Speaker 1: Like I don't watch wrestling for the wrestling for the
Speaker 1: most part. It's like to me, it's the least interesting
Speaker 1: part of wrestling. I mean just I mean, listen, if
Speaker 1: The Avengers was all fighting, it would be it would
Speaker 1: be a boring movie. The Avengers is interesting. Who care
Speaker 1: about the characters in the stories? So then when the
Speaker 1: fights are there, they're important. And that's why I feel
Speaker 1: about wrestling. So unless it's an important fight, I'm not
Speaker 1: particularly interested in it. I mean, I like to know
Speaker 1: who wins and loses and how and whatever, but I mean,
Speaker 1: I've seen it all before fifty times by now, I've
Speaker 1: been watching wrestling for fifty years plus, so it's not
Speaker 1: like they're showing me anything new. And if they're showing
Speaker 1: me something new, it's probably something stupid that they shouldn't
Speaker 1: be doing. So anyway, that's neither here nor this. So
Speaker 1: my last creature is the Cyclops, and the plural of
Speaker 1: Cyclops is psychopies, but singular is In fact, Cyclops is
Speaker 1: considered a giant, but it's a special kind of giant
Speaker 1: depending on which story you go by, I mean, not
Speaker 1: every story. The Cyclopes are Poseidon's children, so they're demigods
Speaker 1: as well, but the actual giants in Greek mythology are
Speaker 1: actually an entirely different race. And actually in the movie
Speaker 1: The Assi, there's there's some giants in that are other
Speaker 1: than the Cyclopes. But in the creation story, the giants
Speaker 1: were were created the same time as the Olympians. Accidentally
Speaker 1: they were all, you know, created by the castration of
Speaker 1: of Urinus. Actually the giants were created before the Olympians.
Speaker 1: In this regard, they were created, they were the Olympians
Speaker 1: sort of were the children of the Titans. Though Aphrodite
Speaker 1: was created at this time. Even though she's considered Olympians,
Speaker 1: she's she's early, you're in the retold chronology, but she's
Speaker 1: actually an import of more Eastern guards. God's like a
Speaker 1: start and ishtar. So it's strange, so like retrofit anyway.
Speaker 1: In some cases there's only three of them, three brothers, uh.
Speaker 1: And they are probably most famous from the Odyssey, Polythemus
Speaker 1: being the Cyclops in question that you know, sort of
Speaker 1: traps Odysseus's men of course, because men were violating hospitality,
Speaker 1: which is a lot of what the Odyssey is about. Frankly,
Speaker 1: it's a lot of what the Old Testament is about.
Speaker 1: The rules of hospitality seem to be more important than
Speaker 1: most other rules in lots of ancient tomes including more
Speaker 1: important than like protecting your wives and daughters and friends
Speaker 1: and shit like that. Kind of weird, but I guess
Speaker 1: not if you understand that it's always a state of
Speaker 1: warfare and the world was patriarchal and everybody was property.
Speaker 1: Uh anyway, a little bit of a side there, anyway.
Speaker 1: One eye, that's that's you know, Cyclops from the X Men.
Speaker 1: You know, he's got his visor, you know, so it
Speaker 1: looks like he's only got one giant eye. And uh,
Speaker 1: they're not so smart. And you know, famously Odysseus sharpman's
Speaker 1: a stick and he and his men, after a few
Speaker 1: of them get eaten again cannibals, they will not cannibals
Speaker 1: because they're demi gods. Though Odysseus was a demi god,
Speaker 1: his men were men. Stab him the eye, blind him.
Speaker 1: But he's still They still can't move the rock at
Speaker 1: the cave. And every day Polythemous opens up the cave
Speaker 1: to let his sheep out to graizeh pastor, and every
Speaker 1: night he brings them back in and he closes the
Speaker 1: rock behind him, and all the men can't move, but
Speaker 1: they try as they might. And even though Odysseus is
Speaker 1: a demi god and very strong. He's not nearly that strong.
Speaker 1: He's like a couple of generations. He's like a semi
Speaker 1: water down demi good. I think both of his parents
Speaker 1: are mostly human. He's not like Hercules, where like you know,
Speaker 1: Zeus is his dad, and which is probably why he
Speaker 1: had why he's the center of the story there, because
Speaker 1: he's probably the closest demigod to men out of all
Speaker 1: the Greek heroes. But that's just my take on it
Speaker 1: as an amateur. Anyway, the way they without getting too
Speaker 1: long into it, he's not so smart. The Cyclops ass
Speaker 1: Odysseus's name. Odysseus says, it's my name is no one.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 1: And in furtherance, the plan that they hatch after losing
Speaker 1: about five or six guys to being the meal for
Speaker 1: probably famous is when the when the Cyclops opens the
Speaker 1: cave door, the men all go on the undersides of
Speaker 1: the sheep hang on. I guess these sheep are very
Speaker 1: big because you know, like they're megafauna or they're you know,
Speaker 1: their demi god sheep that they need to feed the Cyclops.
Speaker 1: And anyway, as the Cyclops touches all the sheep as
Speaker 1: they go out he's only touching the top of them,
Speaker 1: and doesn't you know, realize that there's men hanging out
Speaker 1: from underneath. So that's how I escape. And when the
Speaker 1: when the Cyclops realizes it, he's crying out, and his
Speaker 1: brother's like, what's wrong? Who hurt you? And and poly
Speaker 1: Famous yells, no one has hurt me, no one has
Speaker 1: blinded me. So his brother's like, well, we don't need
Speaker 1: to come help him. And in the escape, of course,
Speaker 1: Odysseus because he has hubris and pride and because he's
Speaker 1: a hero and needs and needs his name to live
Speaker 1: in glorious infamy, you know, as they're sailing away, he says,
Speaker 1: I am Odysseus, king of Ithaca. I am the one
Speaker 1: who escaped you, and follow your place. So of course
Speaker 1: that leads Polythemous to run the dad and give the
Speaker 1: proper name and Poseidon, you know, Ops, to make Odysseus's
Speaker 1: life a living hell. Yes, it's been such a joy
Speaker 1: up until that point. So that's the most famous Cyclops
Speaker 1: story I am aware of. I know, the Cyclops appeared
Speaker 1: in a bunch of sinbad movies. Again, probably an import
Speaker 1: you know, just story wise into that. I can't think
Speaker 1: of any other place where there's been a Cyclops per se.
Speaker 2: Wasn't there a Cyclops in the movie Jason and the Agarnauts.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but Jason the Argonauts is also in the Greek world,
Speaker 1: so yeah, and they too were going on an epic
Speaker 1: voyage to on a quest, and it was the hero's question.
Speaker 1: Jason the Argonauts takes place like well before the Trojan
Speaker 1: War is supposed to. Like the timeline in Greek stories
Speaker 1: is not of particular importance except Hercules was on the Argonauts.
Speaker 1: On Hercules was either long dead or long achieved apatheosis
Speaker 1: by the time the Trojan War took place. And of
Speaker 1: course the Trojan War was you know, told for one
Speaker 1: hundreds of years, but written for by Homer. Most people
Speaker 1: think between twenty eight hundred and twenty six hundred BC,
Speaker 1: so not twenty eight hundred I think eight hundred and
Speaker 1: six hundred BC, so like twenty eight hundred years ago,
Speaker 1: twenty six hundred years ago written, which is brings us
Speaker 1: back to the head of the conversation where or before
Speaker 1: the conversation we were saying, you know, everyone's upset that
Speaker 1: the Christopher Nolan's not a purist. And while I can
Speaker 1: see those arguments. Nobody on Earth knows the what the
Speaker 1: original story or stories were, because they were oral traditions
Speaker 1: told by bards, you know, over cent trees in different places,
Speaker 1: and then written down again and then translated and retranslated.
Speaker 2: So you know, anytime you do something that's based off
Speaker 2: a book or actual fact that taken in time, when
Speaker 2: you know it's fasted down from like, there's going to
Speaker 2: be somebody that somebody is going to be upset about
Speaker 2: it being depicted.
Speaker 1: I will add one thing to that. In the Greek world,
Speaker 1: even back then, the Greek world was sort of the
Speaker 1: backward sea that went as far as Persia in the
Speaker 1: in the east, maybe even a little bit further, encompassed
Speaker 1: North Africa, encompassed you know, all of the Aegean. Actually
Speaker 1: where Jason and the Argonauts went to was in modern
Speaker 1: day Georgia. The city, I mean not to say the
Speaker 1: country in Europe, you know, so all of that Anatolia
Speaker 1: and the the Pontic Step, all of that part of
Speaker 1: the Greek world, Italy, othern France, the entire Mediterraneans, Spain, Portugal,
Speaker 1: all of that, all of the islands part of the
Speaker 1: Greek world, which includes people from Egypt and Libya was
Speaker 1: the world word for Africa. So so to think that
Speaker 1: Zindaiya can't be Athena and that's not part of the
Speaker 1: Greek world as silly bush. She's a goddess, was birthed
Speaker 1: by Zeus's head.
Speaker 2: And to Africa. Take me in Africa, will bless the rains?
Speaker 1: Now in Africa, well, bless the rains one of the
Speaker 1: greatest songs of all time. I will anyway. But it's
Speaker 1: the entire Greek world. And they even traded with They
Speaker 1: got ten from from what's now the British Islands, so anyway,
Speaker 1: you know, and Troy is in modern day Turkey. It
Speaker 1: was Anatolia then or whatever they call it Ilien, which
Speaker 1: is why you get the word the the ilias. Anyway,
Speaker 1: that's what I have on Cyclopsis. I don't know if
Speaker 1: you have anything more for that.
Speaker 2: We've got a question on cyclops. Could they also be
Speaker 2: related to ogres controls?
Speaker 1: I think there's a case. I mean some people, because
Speaker 1: I think some people will argue to you that all
Speaker 1: giants are related in some way, and I think to
Speaker 1: a certain extent there's probably some truth to that in that,
Speaker 1: you know, what, what are we scared besides the other
Speaker 1: beasts and animals. And once you figure out a way
Speaker 1: to defend yourselves from the beast and animals, what's the
Speaker 1: easiest animal to make make up? It's combinations of those
Speaker 1: animals make them bigger and make men bigger. Whether that's
Speaker 1: because they were they afraid of gorillas and other apes,
Speaker 1: including mega apes, that they were a thing. I forgot
Speaker 1: the name, but I think, you know, or if it's
Speaker 1: some memory of you know, when the first Homo erectus
Speaker 1: tried to go out of Africa and the Neanderthals bottleneck
Speaker 1: them basically, you know, in the Sinai Desert and in
Speaker 1: the little south western corner of Israel, you know, and
Speaker 1: you know, beat them back. Maybe it's some memory back
Speaker 1: to that seventy thousand years ago at a toll as
Speaker 1: old as time. But you know, but I don't know.
Speaker 1: Everyone puts a little variations on it. But there's always
Speaker 1: been boogie men and boogie women. And remember, people died
Speaker 1: very young, most kids, A lot of women died in childbirth,
Speaker 1: Most kids died as infants or toddlers. Very few people
Speaker 1: made it past eighteen. You know, it's it's probably a
Speaker 1: whole lot of combinations to it. But you know, giants
Speaker 1: are pretty easy mts. And also it's very easy to
Speaker 1: you know, gods used to be depicted in paintings and
Speaker 1: steel works and boss beliefs and petroglyphs as being bigger
Speaker 1: than men and sometimes with horns and sometimes with wings
Speaker 1: to show that they could fly and come they came
Speaker 1: from above, And what goes is they really wings? And
Speaker 1: you know a lot of that has influenced our pictures
Speaker 1: of things now. So I'm gonna say yes, but I'm
Speaker 1: gonna say probably not any more than a dragon is
Speaker 1: related to a snake.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the lizard family.
Speaker 1: So yeah, We've gone almost two hours, which I think
Speaker 1: is playing long. I have done my my plugs during
Speaker 1: the course of the show. You can do your plug.
Speaker 1: Say hello to all your friends. I'm not gonna put
Speaker 1: any restrictive rules on you.
Speaker 2: I'll keep them shorter. I just want to plug.
Speaker 1: Me in this also, and I mean that in a
Speaker 1: in a promotional way, not a.
Speaker 2: Not a.
Speaker 1: Pulp fiction way.
Speaker 2: The plugging comes when we all get off off the
Speaker 2: live right. No, Uh, this Friday, I'm gonna be doing
Speaker 2: a show, uh with Minorities report on my channel and
Speaker 2: Michael jeff Usso we're gonna go off the cuff when
Speaker 2: it's gonna be Banana ship, that ship crazy. And this Saturday,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna have a lawyer on my show. You might
Speaker 2: know him. He's the guy next to me over here.
Speaker 2: Oh his name is Jeff. I think I think he
Speaker 2: goes by Dose Jeff Jeffrey Dosage. I don't know, no
Speaker 2: Evil Dose Jeff Wittman. He'll be on my show. Does
Speaker 2: this crossover week, Baby, He'll be coming over, gonna be
Speaker 2: We're going back to our old day Saturday, just for you.
Speaker 2: We've been on Fridays lately, but just for you, we're
Speaker 2: going back to Saturday. They accommodate for you, and I
Speaker 2: think we might be going back to Saturdays for a
Speaker 2: couple of weeks. There was just time, so we had
Speaker 2: to do it on Fridays.
Speaker 1: Let's answer this to this question that says, which mythological
Speaker 1: creature do you think has had the biggest impact on
Speaker 1: pop culture?
Speaker 2: Mhm, Shrek, I guess Ogres.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go with you. I think I'm gonna say.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's a pretty good case for giants, it
Speaker 1: was a pretty good case for dragons. But you know
Speaker 1: what I'm gonna go with witches?
Speaker 2: Oh we're going I thought we were just going with
Speaker 2: our list. Okay, yeah, I would say witches or yeah
Speaker 2: I have I got a cheating answer. I got like two.
Speaker 2: I would say like witches or wear wolves. Okay, so see,
Speaker 2: you see a lot of stuff, but they think it
Speaker 2: about wearing wolves.
Speaker 1: All right, So you were you were plugging my appearance
Speaker 1: on your show, which is a perfectly wonderful plug.
Speaker 2: So yes, so yes, no, that was Uh so that's
Speaker 2: going to be Saturday. I I forgot the time we
Speaker 2: scheduled it for. We'll get back. I think it was.
Speaker 1: Uh, you haven't told me the time yet, so maybe
Speaker 1: you haven't scheduled it.
Speaker 2: Okay, so maybe it's hard because we grow back to Saturday.
Speaker 2: So I want to make sure. But yes, it's got
Speaker 2: to be a little bit earlier, right because you know.
Speaker 1: How they can find out? They can They can follow
Speaker 1: me at Dose Underscore, they can follow the sports JEDA
Speaker 1: Network on X or many platforms. They can follow you
Speaker 1: at rams fam on on the X and probably multiple
Speaker 1: of the platforms as well.
Speaker 2: And you ever the one followers that keeps unfollowing me
Speaker 2: and following me and unfollowing me and follow me. I
Speaker 2: don't know who you are, but is this a game
Speaker 2: you're playing? I'll freaking oh, and I got that dirty
Speaker 2: blue check mark, Jeff. I didn't want it, but it's
Speaker 2: so I can get live on on on Twitter. So yes,
Speaker 2: now rams fan comes with that disgusting blue check mark. Listen.
Speaker 1: I've been tempted to do it myself, and the reason
Speaker 1: is so that I can actually send messages to wrestlers
Speaker 1: to invite them to come on the show because like
Speaker 1: some that sorry, go ahead, yeah, most have a blue
Speaker 1: check mark and you can't reach them otherwise. I haven't
Speaker 1: done it yet, you know, and I'm tempted to solely
Speaker 1: for that purpose. I'm never going to monetize my ex
Speaker 1: I have maybe fifteen hundred followers and I'm divided over
Speaker 1: two accounts. So anyway, so don't feel bad about doing it.
Speaker 1: There's a reason they make that feature available on X.
Speaker 1: It's not that.
Speaker 2: Anyway, it's bad, just some some people I feel like,
Speaker 2: abuse that blue check mark.
Speaker 1: You know, of course people abuse that blue check mark.
Speaker 1: But but but X is making us overthink it and
Speaker 1: they make it something that they're trying to sell it
Speaker 1: all the time for a reason, so that you can
Speaker 1: do certain things like go live on X, like contact
Speaker 1: people who you wouldn't normally be able to contact unsolicited
Speaker 1: or uninvited, so you know they know what they're doing.
Speaker 1: And just because you had to play into it doesn't
Speaker 1: make you a bad guy. It just means that it
Speaker 1: also serves a function for you and if it's if
Speaker 1: it's not worth doing, you'll reevaluate and then you know
Speaker 1: over the course of the next couple of years.
Speaker 2: Yep. So yeah, those are just my two plugs. It's
Speaker 2: Minority for guys on my channel Friday and Jeff on
Speaker 2: Sabery Day.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Minority Reports. First of all, I've been on your
Speaker 1: show a bunch of times, and I appreciate you, and
Speaker 1: I know a bunch of you've been here, so thank
Speaker 1: you for all that. But I have noticed how you've
Speaker 1: got rich now on all the time, and I don't
Speaker 1: like it when people lap me more than once, like
Speaker 1: me like this is like Captain America lap lapping the falcon,
Speaker 1: you know, in the Winter Soldiers. So you know, I
Speaker 1: know I'm a terrible guest. I know that I sabotage
Speaker 1: a chat, that I make things all wonderfully terrible there.
Speaker 1: And you know, I know I'm not a draw, but
Speaker 1: you know you gotta throw me a bone every now.
Speaker 1: And I don't mean much, but I need a little love.
Speaker 2: Neil love. It needs a passing from a shaman too,
Speaker 2: so you can know with PJ. Black.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm a little bit concerned about that too, but uh,
Speaker 1: you know, but that's entirely different. Listen, I would understand
Speaker 1: if shaman would find me spiritually wanting, I would totally
Speaker 1: get it. Gender is currently under evaluation or has either
Speaker 1: passed fouled by now. So the only other person I
Speaker 1: know who's going out than PJ and Gender plans Tom Larufa,
Speaker 1: who was a guest on the Book of Black probably
Speaker 1: like two years ago. He's a French wrestler. I'm assuming
Speaker 1: he's going to pass because because having spoke to him,
Speaker 1: he's extremely spiritual.
Speaker 2: I don't.
Speaker 1: I've never spoken to Ginger. I have pictures from his wedding,
Speaker 1: but I wasn't there. PJ was there, but a lot
Speaker 1: of people thought I was because they were like live
Speaker 1: pictures from the time, and I guess they could under
Speaker 1: I could understand why I'm like, no, like PJ. Black
Speaker 1: is I mean, sadly, he's probably like my best friend.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's like the two people I talk to
Speaker 1: most in the world in real life is PJ and
Speaker 1: mister Thomas louis probably third. So I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: I don't know what that that says about me.
Speaker 2: But tell you what, I want you to get an
Speaker 2: interview with beast Man. If you can beast Man, the.
Speaker 1: Guy who goes husk. Yeah, I think that's probably attainable.
Speaker 1: After all, he is an MLW and and the MLW
Speaker 1: Files is the only show that I'm aware of the
Speaker 1: covers MLW.
Speaker 2: I've seen them in GCW and I know, yeah, he
Speaker 2: just popped up in there.
Speaker 1: Well, maybe he's something that you could solicit to be
Speaker 1: your co host.
Speaker 2: So oh, you think out these magical powers.
Speaker 1: Hi, you have a blue check mark, you can I
Speaker 1: don't think he does that you could reach them.
Speaker 2: Well, there was some g Well, the cool thing about
Speaker 2: GCW rustlers, a lot of them, is that you don't
Speaker 2: need a blue check mark if they make mog listen.
Speaker 1: If you are a GCW wrestler or fan or someone
Speaker 1: who deals with the production or works with the ring
Speaker 1: crew or whatever it is, and you're interested in being
Speaker 1: a co host. Rams Fan is looking to do a
Speaker 1: GCW show.
Speaker 2: He loves on Game Changer podcast because they do excellent work.
Speaker 2: By the way, I don't know.
Speaker 1: If I'm not saying there's none others in the world.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying that you want to do one. You
Speaker 1: love independent wrestling, you watch tons of it, you know,
Speaker 1: and and if someone wants to do it. He has
Speaker 1: at least three platforms. He has his own YouTube channel,
Speaker 1: he's got the Sports Jedi Network where he can do it,
Speaker 1: a Sports Edi Media on YouTube right now, Sportshedi Network
Speaker 1: everywhere else. And he's got the Wrestling Superfriendos platform.
Speaker 2: So you know.
Speaker 1: So he's got at least three platforms that can triple
Speaker 1: your exposure if you are a wrestler or videographer or photographer.
Speaker 2: And I got a lawyer on retainer.
Speaker 1: Anything you don't have me, don't lie. Don't lie to
Speaker 1: the people out there. There's no attorney client privilege here.
Speaker 2: Something I hate to break to you. Don Stoney is
Speaker 2: not a real lawyer. No, I have figured it's save
Speaker 2: me the trouble before you book him. It's well, he said.
Speaker 1: I mean the people at Pitball Media treat him like
Speaker 1: he was no, but I thought he was. I was
Speaker 1: trying to book them.
Speaker 2: I was trying to get a running joke.
Speaker 1: That's terrible. Well, well there goes the one person who
Speaker 1: said yes to my panel of this of the Wrestling
Speaker 1: Lawyers podcast concept. But being that I wanted for I wasn't.
Speaker 1: I wasn't not close to fruition anyway. In any event,
Speaker 1: I've talked enough. Thank you everybody for listening. Thank you
Speaker 1: if you tune in for the first time to listen
Speaker 1: to rams Fan.
Speaker 2: Thank you for that.
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Speaker 2: It's a sup. I'm not a big enough boy working
Speaker 2: address sling soup in there. I just hit sticking this SmackDown.
Speaker 1: And his His Twitter is at RAMS fan Underscore, Sean
Speaker 1: s e An, you.
Speaker 2: Know all these other Rams fans on YouTube. I've been
Speaker 2: Rams fan since like five, so I don't know where
Speaker 2: the hell you all came from. I didn't start seeing
Speaker 2: you two recently. I've been a Rams fan of the
Speaker 2: football team even longer, but on YouTube, I've been Rams
Speaker 2: fan forever. But anyways, I had to get my my
Speaker 2: ego out of the way. There.
Speaker 1: We're brad, but okay, all right, so everyone, hope you
Speaker 1: enjoyed it, hope to something different and you'll hear from
Speaker 1: me later in the week. Tomorrow, MLW Files at six
Speaker 1: o five uh, Tuesday, NXT review show at probably ten
Speaker 1: or five, and Wednesday with Matt Pravenza from Horror Movie
Speaker 1: making a movie right now on out of Character and
Speaker 1: at some point if you're on wrestling Soup Lou and
Speaker 1: I we will do the LFG episode ten or eleven
Speaker 1: episode and we will watch the episode it's on tonight
Speaker 1: at some point this week and we'll get to that.
Speaker 1: So thanks everyone,