WEBVTT 1 00:00:31.960 --> 00:00:36.640 Welcome everyone to the Garden of Thought. We are proudly 2 00:00:36.679 --> 00:00:41.719 presented by the Sports Jedi Network the Sports Jedi Media 3 00:00:42.119 --> 00:00:45.840 Network on YouTube now hopefully temporarily but you know, get 4 00:00:45.840 --> 00:00:49.520 the original channel back, but maybe permanently if you have 5 00:00:49.560 --> 00:00:53.000 a moment, subscribe to both just to be safe. Also, 6 00:00:53.320 --> 00:00:56.799 the Wrestling Soup Network and my own little platform is 7 00:00:56.840 --> 00:01:00.280 the Garden of Thought. This is the crossover event maybe 8 00:01:00.280 --> 00:01:03.600 of I don't know, maybe of all time. And we 9 00:01:03.679 --> 00:01:06.439 have from the Soup Network and a man that I've 10 00:01:06.480 --> 00:01:10.480 seen in live streams and chats I don't know, like 11 00:01:10.599 --> 00:01:12.640 there must be like seventeen of him to do this. 12 00:01:12.959 --> 00:01:15.719 It is Rams Fan. He's from the Wrestling Super and 13 00:01:15.719 --> 00:01:20.439 Friendos network. He does Soup du Jour on his YouTube 14 00:01:20.480 --> 00:01:23.079 channel and on Wrestling Super and Friendos where he reviews 15 00:01:23.079 --> 00:01:28.239 SmackDown with Jeff Uso, a different Jeff, probably a false Jeff, 16 00:01:28.359 --> 00:01:31.680 certainly an evil Jeff, which I appreciate being dose evil. 17 00:01:32.879 --> 00:01:35.120 I am dose evil or evil dose, depending on which 18 00:01:35.159 --> 00:01:37.680 side of the emetic upside down you are if you're 19 00:01:37.719 --> 00:01:40.920 above or below Jeff Flipmann. For those of you who 20 00:01:41.040 --> 00:01:43.640 don't or only know my alter ego, and this is 21 00:01:43.719 --> 00:01:49.120 Rams fan rams fan, thanks for being there. They love you, dude. Wow, 22 00:01:49.560 --> 00:01:50.359 introduce yourself. 23 00:01:51.719 --> 00:01:54.719 Yes, Oh I got a I got a bile forgive 24 00:01:54.760 --> 00:01:57.719 me by the way, chat for my Sunday morning eyes. 25 00:01:57.840 --> 00:02:00.280 I woke up two and a half hours ago and 26 00:02:00.319 --> 00:02:03.000 I'm still trying to wake up and I got sensitive eyes. 27 00:02:03.079 --> 00:02:06.000 So yeah, it's so yeah yeah look at this. But 28 00:02:06.079 --> 00:02:09.479 anyways about me, So yes, I I wish I knew 29 00:02:09.479 --> 00:02:12.280 how many podcasts under my hat, under my belts. I've 30 00:02:12.280 --> 00:02:14.879 been going live on YouTube with the other Jeff what 31 00:02:14.879 --> 00:02:19.840 as we call them, the real Jeff Jeff Uso. Yeah, 32 00:02:20.000 --> 00:02:23.919 we go live with Yes SmackDown Sure, and we've been 33 00:02:23.919 --> 00:02:26.680 doing that since January. It was originally just audio only 34 00:02:27.199 --> 00:02:30.360 and now we're audio and video and also streaming on 35 00:02:30.840 --> 00:02:35.360 x Shout out to familiar faces in the chat. But 36 00:02:35.520 --> 00:02:40.639 really quick about me. I've been doing podcasts for a 37 00:02:40.680 --> 00:02:42.439 long time now, but it hasn't been a weekly thing 38 00:02:42.520 --> 00:02:48.560 until recently. I started off doing twilight Zone podcasts with 39 00:02:50.400 --> 00:02:54.360 shout out to Matt Luke Sci Fi Sanctuary podcast Deal Podcasts. 40 00:02:57.080 --> 00:02:59.560 They were covering twilight Zone and all its variations for 41 00:02:59.599 --> 00:03:02.439 a while and that's how I got my start. And 42 00:03:02.520 --> 00:03:05.439 now I'm doing shows like this and other wrestling shows, 43 00:03:05.479 --> 00:03:10.599 and also about me. I wrote eleven children's books. I'm 44 00:03:10.639 --> 00:03:15.960 a marine biologist. I have worked for a NASA. I've 45 00:03:16.000 --> 00:03:17.919 been a lawyer in my spare time. I worked for 46 00:03:17.919 --> 00:03:22.360 a bono though, and none of that is true. I 47 00:03:22.400 --> 00:03:25.080 am not an important person. I've been retired on disability 48 00:03:25.120 --> 00:03:28.560 for a long time. Podcast scene comes easy to me get, 49 00:03:28.599 --> 00:03:30.000 I guess because I got a lot of time to 50 00:03:30.000 --> 00:03:33.240 do it. Excited to be on the show man, well on, you. 51 00:03:33.520 --> 00:03:36.120 Had full George Costanza on us. The sea was angry 52 00:03:36.120 --> 00:03:42.560 that day, my friends. So I appreciate having a podcast 53 00:03:42.759 --> 00:03:45.840 veteran as yourself. I don't appreciate the tease because one 54 00:03:45.879 --> 00:03:47.280 of the things I've been looking to have on the 55 00:03:47.319 --> 00:03:51.080 show is a marine biologist. I have already decided what 56 00:03:51.680 --> 00:03:55.039 my final shows will be, whenever they are, and one 57 00:03:55.080 --> 00:03:58.439 of them would be a marine biologist, specifically talking about 58 00:03:59.000 --> 00:04:02.680 the octopus to pi octopuses, which is proper, which isn't 59 00:04:02.960 --> 00:04:08.120 all things octopuses anyway. So rams Fan proposed the topic, 60 00:04:08.319 --> 00:04:13.199 and he's like, let's talk about mythological creatures, monsters that 61 00:04:13.360 --> 00:04:15.240 are portrayed in the media, and let's talk about how 62 00:04:15.240 --> 00:04:18.120 they're portrayed in the media and the backstory to them, 63 00:04:18.199 --> 00:04:20.959 or really wherever the conversation takes us. And I'm like, 64 00:04:21.120 --> 00:04:23.959 cool idea. I'm like, you know when he's like, we'll 65 00:04:24.000 --> 00:04:26.560 each pick six and hopefully we'll get through all of 66 00:04:26.560 --> 00:04:29.600 them today. If it goes too long and we're both 67 00:04:29.600 --> 00:04:31.480 want of them, we'll just cut it into two shows. 68 00:04:31.480 --> 00:04:33.040 I don't know, at least off for the audio, not 69 00:04:33.360 --> 00:04:37.639 the livestream. We're not going to cut it. But we 70 00:04:37.680 --> 00:04:39.560 each made our list. We made sure that we didn't 71 00:04:40.759 --> 00:04:44.120 have any of the same creatures, and without further ado 72 00:04:44.279 --> 00:04:48.600 guess privilege, you pick the first creature and tell us 73 00:04:48.600 --> 00:04:50.680 why you pick the creature and then what you think. 74 00:04:51.160 --> 00:04:52.959 Well, might as well get the longest one out of 75 00:04:52.959 --> 00:04:55.120 the way and forgive me sometimes folks too, if I 76 00:04:55.120 --> 00:04:56.959 got to go off camera a little bit and I 77 00:04:56.959 --> 00:04:59.600 got to read my notes, because again, my my poor 78 00:04:59.680 --> 00:05:01.199 I so I got I don't want to be like 79 00:05:03.800 --> 00:05:05.199 if I go off camera a little bit, it's to 80 00:05:05.240 --> 00:05:11.120 read some notes. But I chose, and I'm gonna butcher 81 00:05:11.160 --> 00:05:12.240 a lot of words on the show. 82 00:05:13.120 --> 00:05:15.480 By the way, just say a gin like like the 83 00:05:15.639 --> 00:05:16.759 like gyolcoholic, efforts. 84 00:05:16.800 --> 00:05:21.560 That's safe. Gin the D we don't pronounce the D. Huh. 85 00:05:21.959 --> 00:05:22.279 You can. 86 00:05:22.439 --> 00:05:24.399 You can go to gen if you want, but the 87 00:05:24.639 --> 00:05:27.879 Gin is or g or Jenny or Genie. Uh. You know, 88 00:05:28.480 --> 00:05:33.360 basically all have become the same thing, though you can 89 00:05:33.399 --> 00:05:37.600 make a pretty good argument that they're portrayed differently and 90 00:05:37.920 --> 00:05:42.360 just a sort of a giant, multi millennia game of telephone. 91 00:05:42.399 --> 00:05:47.480 So to speaker operator, I chose them because they really 92 00:05:47.560 --> 00:05:50.079 and especially when I started doing I literally got like 93 00:05:50.079 --> 00:05:52.920 almost two pages of research on them written down. I 94 00:05:52.959 --> 00:05:57.199 could add more. But you ever seen the movie Wish Master, 95 00:05:58.199 --> 00:06:02.319 of course? Yeah, yeah, I always love those horror movies. 96 00:06:02.319 --> 00:06:04.399 Even though the sequels got pretty bad, the first one 97 00:06:04.519 --> 00:06:09.879 is pretty fun that that was a representation of Gin 98 00:06:11.040 --> 00:06:14.439 so and we'll get to which variation that is later, 99 00:06:15.199 --> 00:06:19.279 Because not all Gin and Jin's grand wishes and stuff 100 00:06:19.319 --> 00:06:23.040 like that. Some do, some don't, Some take forms of 101 00:06:23.360 --> 00:06:28.000 like creatures and humans, some don't. But I don't think 102 00:06:28.040 --> 00:06:30.279 it's like the movie where he cut the dude's face 103 00:06:30.279 --> 00:06:31.920 off and you put the face on and it just 104 00:06:32.319 --> 00:06:37.959 maybe it is. I don't know. But anyways, real quick, 105 00:06:38.399 --> 00:06:40.000 I'm just gonna go off camera, so I could see 106 00:06:40.000 --> 00:06:45.720 these notes. Oh, okay, am I still here? 107 00:06:46.480 --> 00:06:46.879 I hear it? 108 00:06:47.480 --> 00:06:49.720 Okay, sweet, I thought i'd have a little avatar if 109 00:06:49.720 --> 00:06:50.439 I was off camera. 110 00:06:51.800 --> 00:06:55.519 Okay, so you do that rock gollum thing? 111 00:06:58.439 --> 00:07:05.439 Does jin are created for? I'm uh smokeless fire and 112 00:07:05.439 --> 00:07:09.600 in parts of Arabian and Islamic folk folklore say they 113 00:07:09.639 --> 00:07:12.759 have the ability to choose good or evil, unlike angels. 114 00:07:13.199 --> 00:07:15.680 And they're also one of the three create one of 115 00:07:15.680 --> 00:07:19.120 the three. What's the word I'm looking for here, Jeff, 116 00:07:19.439 --> 00:07:23.720 Because there's angels, there's humans. 117 00:07:25.079 --> 00:07:27.720 I would say they're they're of the sea. 118 00:07:28.000 --> 00:07:30.759 I think it was called turns of like a sea word. 119 00:07:31.759 --> 00:07:34.040 I don't know. I'm not I'm not sure what what 120 00:07:34.199 --> 00:07:36.600 you're looking for, But don't worry about it. It'll come 121 00:07:36.639 --> 00:07:37.839 to you, Okay. 122 00:07:38.160 --> 00:07:42.560 But yes, along and then like people say, unlike angels, 123 00:07:42.560 --> 00:07:45.079 they have the ability to get choose good or evil. 124 00:07:46.240 --> 00:07:49.759 And when I'm also finding out when I've looked up 125 00:07:49.800 --> 00:07:56.040 these things, there's many different like each religion, uneath each 126 00:07:56.240 --> 00:08:04.560 mythology as like their own variations. So like, excuse me, 127 00:08:05.079 --> 00:08:06.759 I got so many notes on here, I got to 128 00:08:06.800 --> 00:08:07.959 try to find the right one. 129 00:08:08.279 --> 00:08:10.560 Okay, I mean I don't think that anyone who's a 130 00:08:10.560 --> 00:08:13.519 long term listener, long time listener show knows that that's 131 00:08:13.560 --> 00:08:18.800 sort of my journey has has discovered that too. And 132 00:08:19.160 --> 00:08:20.560 part of the fun of the show when I have 133 00:08:20.600 --> 00:08:25.839 experts on is is that sometimes I'm right about the variation. 134 00:08:26.040 --> 00:08:28.639 Sometimes I'm wrong about you know, I see too much 135 00:08:28.639 --> 00:08:31.000 of the variation when it's not exactly the same thing, 136 00:08:32.039 --> 00:08:35.200 or sometimes it's it's something that's morphed over time and 137 00:08:35.240 --> 00:08:39.639 space and a lot of times because of the environmental needs, 138 00:08:39.639 --> 00:08:41.840 but also the historical times. I mean, we all like 139 00:08:41.879 --> 00:08:45.720 to pretend that things are fixed in time and that 140 00:08:45.840 --> 00:08:48.000 that's not the case. You know, they're they're definitely not. 141 00:08:48.399 --> 00:08:50.519 So by now, hopefully you found the note that you're 142 00:08:50.519 --> 00:08:52.360 looking for and you can pick yes. 143 00:08:52.879 --> 00:08:56.600 Okay, And but I wanted to go over the five 144 00:08:56.639 --> 00:09:00.600 different types. And these are where I'm on a which 145 00:09:00.600 --> 00:09:03.240 are some words here. There's five different types of gin. 146 00:09:03.919 --> 00:09:08.600 There's married M A R I D, which is often 147 00:09:08.639 --> 00:09:12.600 depicted as the most powerful with immense strength, magical abilities, 148 00:09:13.200 --> 00:09:18.519 and it's associated with water known for their pride and arrogance. 149 00:09:18.960 --> 00:09:21.759 And these are the ones that typically guarant wishes that 150 00:09:21.960 --> 00:09:24.960 like you have seen in the Wishmaster movies. They come 151 00:09:25.000 --> 00:09:29.440 at a great cost. And then the second different variation 152 00:09:29.679 --> 00:09:33.360 is is would you pronounce it as different? I f ri, 153 00:09:33.440 --> 00:09:33.679 I T. 154 00:09:35.159 --> 00:09:37.679 I guess free, I'd probably say, but I don't know 155 00:09:37.720 --> 00:09:38.039 that I'm. 156 00:09:38.000 --> 00:09:41.840 Right, Okay. They are fiery and known for their wrath 157 00:09:41.960 --> 00:09:46.559 and destructive power. They're also rebellious, dangerous, and they dwell 158 00:09:46.639 --> 00:09:52.039 in ruins and isolated places for some reasons. And they're 159 00:09:52.039 --> 00:09:54.639 also depicted in this book called one thousand and one Nights, 160 00:09:56.240 --> 00:09:57.480 which have you ever heard of that book? 161 00:09:57.519 --> 00:10:01.080 Jeff, Yeah, it is. It is a misnomer where it's 162 00:10:01.080 --> 00:10:04.559 called one thousand and one or Arabian Nights. It really 163 00:10:04.559 --> 00:10:07.399 should be a thousand and one Babylonian Knights. But yeah, 164 00:10:07.440 --> 00:10:10.480 I mean that's where a Latin comes from. 165 00:10:10.720 --> 00:10:13.120 Yeah, I know the I know the Bugs Bunny version. 166 00:10:13.759 --> 00:10:19.279 Yeah, of course, modern classic. I mean it's up there 167 00:10:19.279 --> 00:10:20.759 with Christopher Nolan's The Odyssey. 168 00:10:22.639 --> 00:10:25.360 And then, oh, we can't talk about that movie. That's 169 00:10:25.360 --> 00:10:27.879 got controversy right now, we can't talk about that. Well 170 00:10:27.919 --> 00:10:29.799 we got I can't talk about it. I haven't seen it, 171 00:10:30.000 --> 00:10:33.320 so things weren't depicted the right way supposedly. Oh my god, 172 00:10:33.399 --> 00:10:36.000 Hollywood doesn't depict something in the right way, God forbid. 173 00:10:36.039 --> 00:10:38.960 Well, there are no right way. I mean, its hundreds 174 00:10:38.960 --> 00:10:44.200 of years of oral traditions that were performed countless different ways. 175 00:10:44.279 --> 00:10:46.799 So I mean it's it's you know who who you 176 00:10:46.879 --> 00:10:50.120 interpreted through. But and I only know this because I 177 00:10:50.200 --> 00:10:52.159 was I've been listening to a bunch of podcasts which 178 00:10:52.200 --> 00:10:55.639 we're on it. I mean, it's not coincidental that the 179 00:10:55.720 --> 00:10:58.679 podcasts are covering it because of the movie, but it 180 00:10:58.759 --> 00:11:01.919 is coincidental that it was, like say, The Daily and 181 00:11:02.039 --> 00:11:06.440 the Ancients and then and I actually recently recently read. 182 00:11:06.480 --> 00:11:08.360 Now when I say it read, I generally mean listen 183 00:11:08.399 --> 00:11:14.120 to the audiobook the Odyssey, Uh, within the last several months. 184 00:11:15.720 --> 00:11:19.600 It's interesting, it's it's a thing. I also listened to 185 00:11:19.639 --> 00:11:24.440 the Iliad and I don't know, Uh, anyway, you're right, 186 00:11:24.519 --> 00:11:26.720 we're not gonna talk about those things. 187 00:11:27.559 --> 00:11:31.720 And then the next one is theitany s h A 188 00:11:31.919 --> 00:11:34.639 I T A n I. 189 00:11:33.960 --> 00:11:37.480 Right, the Chaitan, which is sometimes as a demon, and 190 00:11:37.720 --> 00:11:42.960 some people think that's where the word satan comes from. Uh, 191 00:11:43.039 --> 00:11:47.879 it's probably not. It's probably just a trick of fanatics. 192 00:11:48.440 --> 00:11:53.200 Yes, And they're the ones that like to lure human 193 00:11:53.200 --> 00:11:56.159 into the trap with temptations and they serve no one 194 00:11:56.799 --> 00:11:58.840 like they're not one of the genies that you can 195 00:11:58.840 --> 00:12:01.559 summon and be like, you know, Grant might Well, they 196 00:12:01.679 --> 00:12:04.960 just they're all out for themselves. They're they're the most 197 00:12:05.000 --> 00:12:07.320 power hungry one problem well, which may be why they 198 00:12:07.440 --> 00:12:12.600 may or may not be closely linked to Satan. Google 199 00:12:14.120 --> 00:12:17.440 g h U l Gold Google Yah. 200 00:12:18.480 --> 00:12:22.480 I don't know. I'd have to learn, Jeff. 201 00:12:22.720 --> 00:12:24.440 I've seen you figure out a lot of your words 202 00:12:24.480 --> 00:12:27.000 on this show, and it's about time, you know, buddy, 203 00:12:27.039 --> 00:12:29.200 because I have questions and you better have answers. 204 00:12:30.120 --> 00:12:32.759 Listen. I'm just happy that you're bringing up words that 205 00:12:32.799 --> 00:12:33.440 I haven't heard. 206 00:12:33.480 --> 00:12:36.039 This is great, okay, and. 207 00:12:36.720 --> 00:12:39.159 The guests to be the expert and you're you're not disappointed. 208 00:12:40.279 --> 00:12:43.159 This one is a well, thank you Internet. This one 209 00:12:43.159 --> 00:12:46.360 is associated with graveyards and desert wastelands, which is kind 210 00:12:46.360 --> 00:12:47.919 of cool. Uh And it. 211 00:12:48.120 --> 00:12:50.519 Makes sense that if it is pronounced cool that it 212 00:12:50.559 --> 00:12:54.240 would you know, the word has sort of survived mhm. 213 00:12:57.240 --> 00:12:59.600 This one is the shape shifters that take form of 214 00:12:59.639 --> 00:13:03.279 animals and they like the were humans into traps and 215 00:13:03.320 --> 00:13:05.039 they also like to eat the flesh of a living 216 00:13:05.120 --> 00:13:05.519 or the dead. 217 00:13:06.679 --> 00:13:07.679 Is that the ghoul? Also? 218 00:13:08.240 --> 00:13:11.120 Yes, okay, so listen we have we have we have 219 00:13:11.120 --> 00:13:15.080 an old fashioned, you know, sort of zombie skin walker 220 00:13:15.279 --> 00:13:18.320 kind of thing, like a you know, a revenant. 221 00:13:21.480 --> 00:13:24.679 And then this one is considered to be the weakest, 222 00:13:25.080 --> 00:13:29.039 the janny j A n n I considered to be 223 00:13:29.080 --> 00:13:30.080 the weakest form. 224 00:13:30.320 --> 00:13:32.200 Well, it's a little sister, sure ja. 225 00:13:33.279 --> 00:13:37.000 It's aligned with nature instead to be no maamt no 226 00:13:37.000 --> 00:13:40.720 nomadic and offering just and often just wandering the deserts. 227 00:13:41.320 --> 00:13:43.399 And it acts way more kind of humans than mean 228 00:13:43.679 --> 00:13:44.759 any of the other gems. 229 00:13:45.440 --> 00:13:48.360 No, the closest, the weakest is the closest to man. 230 00:13:49.559 --> 00:13:52.720 It's interesting these descriptions you gave us because they sort 231 00:13:52.720 --> 00:13:57.960 of sound semi demonic in the way certain demons are. 232 00:13:58.799 --> 00:14:01.840 Percentage also very seeing. The first one that you mentioned, 233 00:14:02.399 --> 00:14:06.639 so say, with water grant's wishes but can be bargained 234 00:14:06.639 --> 00:14:09.039 with or you know, it's just moody. Sometimes it's against you, 235 00:14:09.120 --> 00:14:12.840 sometimes it's for you, standard chaos agent. But also it 236 00:14:12.840 --> 00:14:15.960 reminds me of the like the exact description of the 237 00:14:15.960 --> 00:14:22.360 grootslane from African mythology, which is basically a serpent that 238 00:14:22.480 --> 00:14:25.120 lives in the cave and water. Now that the goots 239 00:14:25.159 --> 00:14:28.480 line can especially be barreined with with gold and stuff 240 00:14:28.519 --> 00:14:30.279 like that. But you can also tell it a good 241 00:14:30.279 --> 00:14:32.879 story or whatever, and it sounds a little bit like 242 00:14:33.080 --> 00:14:38.120 the first one, but you know, it's sort it's so 243 00:14:38.279 --> 00:14:41.559 fire and smoke. So angels are supposed to be fire 244 00:14:41.600 --> 00:14:45.960 and water, so this is distinct, but they're not divine. 245 00:14:46.039 --> 00:14:50.840 Angels are divine. But in some of the apocrypha there 246 00:14:50.840 --> 00:14:56.240 are angels that have some of the attributes attributes of 247 00:14:56.960 --> 00:15:01.200 more chaos agents and these gin, which leads me to 248 00:15:01.240 --> 00:15:03.320 believe that maybe the gin we're taking the place of 249 00:15:03.399 --> 00:15:07.879 maybe some gods and certain pantheons, maybe they were lesser gods. 250 00:15:07.960 --> 00:15:08.360 Maybe not. 251 00:15:08.919 --> 00:15:11.480 You know, a lot of times when a religion comes 252 00:15:11.480 --> 00:15:16.360 into place, you sort of absorb some of what they've 253 00:15:16.360 --> 00:15:18.960 already got going on and just put your own name 254 00:15:19.080 --> 00:15:22.360 or spin on it. And maybe that happened. I don't 255 00:15:22.399 --> 00:15:26.600 know the order of what, you know, who came first, 256 00:15:26.639 --> 00:15:29.120 but you know, certainly the Greeks had tons and tons 257 00:15:29.120 --> 00:15:34.200 of gods, and well everyone did. But it is very interesting. 258 00:15:35.519 --> 00:15:40.759 But yeah, they're not they're they're immortal, but they're not 259 00:15:41.000 --> 00:15:45.960 they're not divine. But also there are demons in Islam, 260 00:15:46.080 --> 00:15:50.120 but the Gin is probably the only monster creature that 261 00:15:50.200 --> 00:15:52.200 I think we're going to talk about that's in the 262 00:15:52.200 --> 00:15:56.279 body in holy books. So gin are part of Islamic canon. 263 00:15:57.399 --> 00:16:01.639 So if you are a devout Muslim, you believe that 264 00:16:01.679 --> 00:16:04.360 that gin exists every much as well as you believe 265 00:16:04.519 --> 00:16:09.240 that angels exist, probably demons and of course God Allah. 266 00:16:09.919 --> 00:16:13.679 Yeah, yeah, this one. We got a few Islamic ones 267 00:16:13.679 --> 00:16:16.279 on my list. But and then later when we get 268 00:16:16.320 --> 00:16:18.960 to golams, those are actually in two passages of the Bible, 269 00:16:19.000 --> 00:16:24.120 I guess. Yeah, actually, so I didn't know that. I 270 00:16:24.159 --> 00:16:26.320 guess that when it makes sense though, when we get 271 00:16:26.360 --> 00:16:28.879 to golms later, that's because they're like, that's a whole 272 00:16:28.960 --> 00:16:32.000 Jewish so it makes sense they'd be in the Bible, right, 273 00:16:32.360 --> 00:16:33.720 that's a whole like Jewish tradition. 274 00:16:34.440 --> 00:16:39.200 Ah, I suppose, I mean, you know, I mean the 275 00:16:39.240 --> 00:16:43.759 most famous golum is is sort of more of Middle 276 00:16:43.799 --> 00:16:46.159 Ages Renaissance, you know, within the last five hundred years. 277 00:16:46.159 --> 00:16:50.759 The Gollm of Prague, which is much more recent. But yeah, 278 00:16:50.840 --> 00:16:55.360 I mean, building something from dust or mud is as 279 00:16:55.399 --> 00:16:59.320 old creation stories and you know, and we only know 280 00:16:59.360 --> 00:17:01.840 the ones that are down and from whence they came. 281 00:17:01.960 --> 00:17:04.440 But you know, I mean, if you if you skip 282 00:17:04.480 --> 00:17:07.119 the whole lot of Adam and Eve thing being made 283 00:17:07.119 --> 00:17:12.119 from duster, clay, anky do in. Gilgamesh was also made 284 00:17:12.160 --> 00:17:15.400 from I think clay or sand, and he was basically 285 00:17:15.720 --> 00:17:18.279 a beast man that was tame. It was supposed to, 286 00:17:18.680 --> 00:17:21.279 you know, teach Gilgamesh a lesson and kill him, but 287 00:17:21.319 --> 00:17:26.160 instead they became best friends after Gilgamesh tamed a lankye 288 00:17:26.200 --> 00:17:30.160 do one with a prostitute and then with a thing 289 00:17:30.319 --> 00:17:34.079 versus Hulk epic fight where Gilgamesh won. But but they 290 00:17:34.480 --> 00:17:37.119 decided they respected each other and have much more fun 291 00:17:37.160 --> 00:17:38.039 together than apart. 292 00:17:39.440 --> 00:17:42.960 Hmm. But I jumped a little bit ahead. We got 293 00:17:43.039 --> 00:17:45.880 to go run back to the gin real quick, you 294 00:17:46.160 --> 00:17:51.400 said in a text to me and discord what is it? Corn? 295 00:17:51.680 --> 00:17:56.279 These are one of the quorn type gods, is it? 296 00:17:56.480 --> 00:18:00.319 And you had something you want to ellab rea on 297 00:18:00.359 --> 00:18:02.319 that and the word I was looking for earlier too. 298 00:18:02.440 --> 00:18:06.400 This is one of the three centennial creations along. 299 00:18:06.119 --> 00:18:11.640 With right right, They have thoughts of their own and 300 00:18:12.000 --> 00:18:14.000 I think actually you covered that really well when you 301 00:18:14.039 --> 00:18:18.000 describe the five motives of them and my theories, I 302 00:18:18.000 --> 00:18:19.880 think I touched on them a little bit. But I 303 00:18:19.880 --> 00:18:24.839 will say that because angels, you know, obviously the Old 304 00:18:24.960 --> 00:18:27.920 Testament is older than the Koran. I mean, I know 305 00:18:27.960 --> 00:18:31.440 that if you go to the scripture of the Christians, 306 00:18:31.440 --> 00:18:34.079 everything was always Christian. It's just the people didn't know 307 00:18:34.119 --> 00:18:36.720 they were Christian. And the Koran is the same thing. 308 00:18:36.759 --> 00:18:39.160 Everything was always Islam. Everyone was always Muslim, you just 309 00:18:39.200 --> 00:18:41.960 didn't know that you were until after the Koran was 310 00:18:43.519 --> 00:18:49.599 written as Gabriel or Gabriel dictated anyway. So seraphim are 311 00:18:49.759 --> 00:18:53.799 a class of angels, and if you talk to one 312 00:18:53.880 --> 00:18:56.640 hundred different people, you might get one hundred different versions 313 00:18:56.759 --> 00:18:59.240 of what is the seraphim and what are the different 314 00:18:59.480 --> 00:19:04.240 hierarchy of angels, and same with demons and what and 315 00:19:04.279 --> 00:19:06.480 even what seraph means. I've heard two things that it 316 00:19:06.519 --> 00:19:11.200 means serpent or flying serpent. I've also hear burning ones. 317 00:19:12.119 --> 00:19:15.599 Whichever JJ Johnson from Southern Demonology tells you is the 318 00:19:15.799 --> 00:19:19.759 is the correct pronuncia, correct correct definition is it? He's 319 00:19:19.759 --> 00:19:24.440 a multi time guest on the show. But if you 320 00:19:24.480 --> 00:19:29.960 go by burning ones, I think that the genner easily 321 00:19:30.400 --> 00:19:35.920 can easily be put into taking the Seraph the Burning One, 322 00:19:36.039 --> 00:19:40.279 and a lot of things the religions, especially conquering, And 323 00:19:40.480 --> 00:19:42.680 by conquering I don't necessarily mean by the sword. I 324 00:19:42.720 --> 00:19:47.079 mean sort of overtaking the region and influence. Do is 325 00:19:47.119 --> 00:19:51.920 they sort of take your gods and your heroes and 326 00:19:52.000 --> 00:19:54.559 turn them into the villains or something lesser. And so 327 00:19:54.599 --> 00:19:57.799 if you take the seraph, which are very powerful angels, 328 00:19:58.240 --> 00:20:01.119 and you turn them into you don't know, eliminate them entirely, 329 00:20:01.960 --> 00:20:07.200 but you turn them into something less than the memory 330 00:20:07.200 --> 00:20:09.599 of the people, it's still there, the stories are still there. 331 00:20:09.640 --> 00:20:12.559 It's something they could recognize, but now it's like it's 332 00:20:12.559 --> 00:20:14.839 still something to be feared and respected. But it's it's 333 00:20:15.160 --> 00:20:20.200 it doesn't it doesn't interfere with their their worship of 334 00:20:21.000 --> 00:20:23.519 the new order of things or you know what what's 335 00:20:23.559 --> 00:20:26.559 old is new or you know, but the the Holy Quran. 336 00:20:27.000 --> 00:20:29.920 So I think that the Sarah, the Burning One, part 337 00:20:29.920 --> 00:20:35.839 of it, is part of it. And and there's probably 338 00:20:35.920 --> 00:20:38.720 other gods and other pantheons that have been there as 339 00:20:38.720 --> 00:20:42.519 well which play into this. Also, by the way, I 340 00:20:42.559 --> 00:20:47.000 always talk about the show Evil and there's a there's 341 00:20:47.000 --> 00:20:50.519 a gin in that that peaks itself out every now 342 00:20:50.559 --> 00:20:55.480 and then, and it's actually a deliciously subtly juicy show. 343 00:20:57.920 --> 00:21:00.000 And regrettably I might have to get a Paramount Plus 344 00:21:00.039 --> 00:21:02.119 so I can finally see season four of it because. 345 00:21:01.880 --> 00:21:04.839 Netflix Comparamount Plus so I could check that out. 346 00:21:05.240 --> 00:21:09.680 Well, you're not me so so that doesn't help me 347 00:21:10.200 --> 00:21:14.599 any anyway. I'm sorry, but I have nothing else really 348 00:21:14.720 --> 00:21:17.200 on the genders. I think you covered a beautifully day. 349 00:21:17.519 --> 00:21:19.240 I just want to wrap it up real quick. I 350 00:21:19.279 --> 00:21:21.640 just want to get through his strengths and weaknesses and 351 00:21:21.720 --> 00:21:24.960 point O. One thing that I would fascinated to learn chat, 352 00:21:25.000 --> 00:21:27.799 maybe you would fascinate awareness shout out to the Chat. 353 00:21:27.839 --> 00:21:32.720 By the way, the Aladdin from Genie from Aladdin is 354 00:21:32.759 --> 00:21:33.079 a gin. 355 00:21:34.119 --> 00:21:36.359 Yeah, well all genies are gin. 356 00:21:37.119 --> 00:21:37.680 Yeah. 357 00:21:37.799 --> 00:21:40.279 The Aladdin that we see that has made like many 358 00:21:40.319 --> 00:21:42.960 sort of you know, been disnified, you know sort of. 359 00:21:43.119 --> 00:21:45.920 Yeah. Obviously he's not going to betray Aladdin with his wishes, 360 00:21:45.960 --> 00:21:48.400 you know, like he's gonna make them all good, you know, but. 361 00:21:48.680 --> 00:21:51.400 We did see times where Aladdin could be terrible. I mean, 362 00:21:51.640 --> 00:21:54.759 you know, so you know, you could easily see someone 363 00:21:54.799 --> 00:21:59.000 making Aladdin into more of a horror thriller kind of 364 00:21:59.039 --> 00:22:02.559 thing and you good. Except the deal is, once you're 365 00:22:02.599 --> 00:22:05.119 done with the three wishes, you're done. I mean, you're 366 00:22:05.119 --> 00:22:07.079 done with with the genie. 367 00:22:07.359 --> 00:22:07.599 Now. 368 00:22:08.400 --> 00:22:11.039 I don't know what happens if your third wishes give 369 00:22:11.079 --> 00:22:14.359 me more wishes or turn me into something as powerful 370 00:22:14.400 --> 00:22:16.839 as you. Uh, and then they could go around being 371 00:22:16.880 --> 00:22:19.920 best friends worst enemies. Uh you know who who knows 372 00:22:20.720 --> 00:22:22.519 any of you? If you see a genie and you 373 00:22:22.519 --> 00:22:23.640 you know you don't know what to do on your 374 00:22:23.720 --> 00:22:27.039 last wish, try either of those things, I suppose if 375 00:22:27.079 --> 00:22:32.960 you're so inclined. But yeah, genies, Yeah, definitely the genie, 376 00:22:33.519 --> 00:22:37.799 including I dream of genie, has evolved from the gin. 377 00:22:37.920 --> 00:22:41.359 But obviously it's been sort of you know, made friendly 378 00:22:41.440 --> 00:22:44.799 made you know, as time goes on, you know you 379 00:22:44.839 --> 00:22:46.759 try to you know, try to scare the kids from 380 00:22:46.759 --> 00:22:48.400 going into the woods. And I guess as the world 381 00:22:48.480 --> 00:22:51.240 gets a little bit safer, you know, now you want 382 00:22:51.359 --> 00:22:53.440 to be so friendly and something that it's fun. 383 00:22:54.039 --> 00:22:56.759 M hm, So real quick. I know you touched on 384 00:22:56.799 --> 00:22:59.559 your strength, but I guess, because I think we've touched 385 00:22:59.559 --> 00:23:02.640 on these still go over. Their strengths are immense power, 386 00:23:02.759 --> 00:23:06.200 free will, and immortality. Like you brought up earlier mortality, 387 00:23:06.759 --> 00:23:08.880 unless say it's the movie is the Wish Master move, 388 00:23:08.920 --> 00:23:11.599 then he gets it's God, but he always comes back. 389 00:23:12.400 --> 00:23:19.640 His weakness is susceptibility to control and divine weakness. What 390 00:23:19.640 --> 00:23:20.839 would divine weakness be. 391 00:23:22.119 --> 00:23:25.400 Well, that they're not divine, so I imagine something that's divine 392 00:23:25.400 --> 00:23:28.359 could in fact smite them. The susceptibility the control is 393 00:23:28.640 --> 00:23:32.000 interesting because in some cases they're even susceptible to control 394 00:23:32.079 --> 00:23:35.559 by humans, which you know, sort of goes with the 395 00:23:35.839 --> 00:23:38.039 you know, the creation story of man, that sort of 396 00:23:38.519 --> 00:23:41.400 everything on earth is sort of our playground. You know, 397 00:23:41.440 --> 00:23:43.720 we're supposed to take care of it or use it 398 00:23:43.759 --> 00:23:47.799 as we will, which is interpreted in a thousand different ways. 399 00:23:48.240 --> 00:23:53.720 But you know, if they're not divine, they're arguably subject 400 00:23:53.759 --> 00:23:55.759 to man. It's just their powers that keep them a 401 00:23:55.839 --> 00:23:59.039 little bit above us. But they're not really above us. 402 00:23:59.079 --> 00:24:03.720 They're sort of parallel. I once had the people who 403 00:24:03.759 --> 00:24:07.559 point out the difference between to me between paranormal and supernatural, 404 00:24:07.839 --> 00:24:10.799 and paranormal is they exist with us on this plane. 405 00:24:11.279 --> 00:24:15.480 Supernatural is something that's above us, And well, I think 406 00:24:15.480 --> 00:24:19.279 that was overly simplifying things. And you know, in the 407 00:24:19.319 --> 00:24:22.799 strict contours of the world. They were correct, But yeah, 408 00:24:22.880 --> 00:24:26.200 I think I don't have much to add on. 409 00:24:26.319 --> 00:24:30.960 J I mean that was their final weakness. Is their 410 00:24:31.079 --> 00:24:38.480 their pride and hubrious hubris your ego. 411 00:24:36.480 --> 00:24:39.799 Well, I mean it's sort of your ego on checked 412 00:24:39.880 --> 00:24:42.160 the pride where you don't think that you can fall. 413 00:24:43.720 --> 00:24:49.720 Like the Greek heroes were known for their hubris, but 414 00:24:50.039 --> 00:24:53.480 not just them, like even Prometheus had. He was a 415 00:24:53.519 --> 00:24:56.559 Titan and he had hubris, and he got you know, 416 00:24:56.599 --> 00:25:00.799 punished by Zeus eternally. As far as we know right now, 417 00:25:00.799 --> 00:25:03.359 there's an eagle pecking out his liver someplace, you know, 418 00:25:03.400 --> 00:25:07.240 depending on which pantheon was correct. He was also a 419 00:25:07.240 --> 00:25:11.200 friend of Man. So I don't know what the lesson 420 00:25:11.240 --> 00:25:14.960 there is in that. So I guess it's my turn. 421 00:25:15.480 --> 00:25:15.720 Yep. 422 00:25:16.240 --> 00:25:19.319 Sure, I didn't do the research. 423 00:25:19.000 --> 00:25:19.559 That you did. 424 00:25:19.799 --> 00:25:23.880 I don't apologize for it too bad. My first choice 425 00:25:24.039 --> 00:25:28.000 was trolls, and trolls to me, I mean, you know, 426 00:25:29.119 --> 00:25:31.559 I forgot about the little monsters with the with the 427 00:25:31.799 --> 00:25:34.000 with the don king hare. I'm not talking about the 428 00:25:34.039 --> 00:25:34.519 kids toys. 429 00:25:34.559 --> 00:25:38.839 That's that's you're not talking about the nineties or whatever 430 00:25:38.839 --> 00:25:39.200 it was. 431 00:25:39.599 --> 00:25:42.680 That's right, they'll probably be coming back again. I mean, 432 00:25:45.240 --> 00:25:49.920 sorry everyone, I'm sure it's several. I mean, did everyone 433 00:25:49.960 --> 00:25:52.000 have things hanging from there? I mean I did have kids. 434 00:25:52.200 --> 00:25:54.559 I mean I still have kids. They're just not children anymore, 435 00:25:55.160 --> 00:25:58.680 or little kids. They grew. Never mind, people understand how 436 00:25:58.759 --> 00:26:02.240 time works. Kevin the producer, wanted me to mention how 437 00:26:02.240 --> 00:26:08.000 there's internet trolls, and so the trolls sort of you know, 438 00:26:08.039 --> 00:26:12.640 they're sort of Germanic and Norse, Northern European, uh, you know, 439 00:26:12.759 --> 00:26:16.119 sort of. We have the Tolkien versions where they sort 440 00:26:16.160 --> 00:26:20.759 of live in the woods. They can only survive at night. 441 00:26:20.880 --> 00:26:22.559 The sun comes up, they turn to dark. There are 442 00:26:22.559 --> 00:26:25.559 also mountain trolls, so that they're associated with sort of 443 00:26:26.279 --> 00:26:30.000 terrain that humans don't usually live in, you know, be 444 00:26:30.119 --> 00:26:32.440 afraid of the dark, be afraid of nature, the perils 445 00:26:32.440 --> 00:26:37.359 of nature. In the movie troll they're almost like a 446 00:26:37.440 --> 00:26:39.640 King Kong thing, but it's almost you know, it's almost 447 00:26:39.680 --> 00:26:43.359 like environmental respect nature or you're going to unleash it's 448 00:26:43.480 --> 00:26:46.559 terrible wrath as a metaphor, but I think the most 449 00:26:46.720 --> 00:26:50.200 iconic trolls are sort of the trolls. They live under 450 00:26:50.200 --> 00:26:53.680 the bridges and they and they you know, eat goats. 451 00:26:54.200 --> 00:26:56.480 If they don't eat goats, they'll eat what's available to them, 452 00:26:56.480 --> 00:27:01.440 which might might involve people. And so, I mean, they 453 00:27:01.480 --> 00:27:08.160 are a boogeyman, but they're a huge boogeyman that's made 454 00:27:08.240 --> 00:27:14.400 up of rock and wood and bark and things that 455 00:27:14.720 --> 00:27:23.079 where there's no apparent weakness, and they can't be killed 456 00:27:23.079 --> 00:27:26.200 by normal means, or at least not that I'm aware of, 457 00:27:27.000 --> 00:27:29.440 unless you buy into the if you keep them out 458 00:27:29.480 --> 00:27:32.640 past sunrise like a vampire, they you know, I'm like 459 00:27:32.680 --> 00:27:36.240 burning up. They turned the stone, and then of course 460 00:27:36.240 --> 00:27:40.359 they're dead forever, you know, and you know they are 461 00:27:40.400 --> 00:27:45.319 immortalized in mountain ranges and features of that nature. But 462 00:27:46.559 --> 00:27:48.480 I don't know what, you know. I just thought that 463 00:27:48.519 --> 00:27:53.920 they were interesting because they are. Everyone uses the word troll, 464 00:27:54.000 --> 00:27:57.839 but they seem to be like you know, the step Child, 465 00:27:58.240 --> 00:28:01.119 the red Head Stott Child, the Monts there. They're barely 466 00:28:01.160 --> 00:28:03.559 brought up and and they've sort of remained a little 467 00:28:03.559 --> 00:28:05.799 bit like a you know, as a children's story, as 468 00:28:05.799 --> 00:28:09.839 opposed to the dijin Gin, who become both children's soyle 469 00:28:10.599 --> 00:28:14.559 story and religious cannon. And you know, there's never been 470 00:28:14.559 --> 00:28:18.519 a Disney movie about a troll. I mean there's there's movies. 471 00:28:18.759 --> 00:28:23.119 Oh yeah, no, the movie I'm thinking of was the 472 00:28:23.160 --> 00:28:26.359 Troll You Don't want to be it. That's that's the 473 00:28:26.440 --> 00:28:28.200 hair the don King here. I think that was the 474 00:28:28.240 --> 00:28:30.720 troll movie that came out. So yeah, you're right. Oh 475 00:28:30.759 --> 00:28:34.440 hang on, No, wasn't there a famous eighty movie called troll. 476 00:28:35.200 --> 00:28:37.720 Yeah no, there's there's Troll Hunter, and then there's and 477 00:28:37.759 --> 00:28:40.119 then there was but like these are like Scandinavian movies, 478 00:28:40.160 --> 00:28:43.039 so it's like their King Kong, you know, and he's like. 479 00:28:43.039 --> 00:28:45.160 Troll too notoriously bad or something. 480 00:28:46.279 --> 00:28:50.240 Uh okay, So there was definitely a troll to like 481 00:28:50.279 --> 00:28:52.319 an old movie, like sort of when the leprechan movies 482 00:28:52.319 --> 00:28:55.680 are coming up, and then there's the one that's more recent. Yeah, 483 00:28:55.720 --> 00:28:56.000 it was. 484 00:28:56.039 --> 00:28:56.319 It was. 485 00:28:56.359 --> 00:28:59.920 It was pretty bad. It was uh as a picture 486 00:28:59.920 --> 00:29:01.839 of control for those who are you who are on 487 00:29:01.880 --> 00:29:05.200 the Yeah, and even there it looks a little King 488 00:29:05.319 --> 00:29:07.359 congressh you know. Obviously in Lord of the Rings we 489 00:29:07.400 --> 00:29:10.640 had the Mountain Troll, which was, you know, sort of 490 00:29:11.319 --> 00:29:14.200 a mindless beast that can barely be contained even by 491 00:29:14.200 --> 00:29:17.559 the orcs and goblins, and it's super strong and super 492 00:29:17.559 --> 00:29:22.440 big but could be killed. But you know, part of 493 00:29:22.480 --> 00:29:25.559 the fellowship. They were also kind of magic, and you know, 494 00:29:25.599 --> 00:29:27.799 they had stinged the Olven weapon and there was an 495 00:29:27.839 --> 00:29:31.799 elf there and so like, you know, Tolkien was almost 496 00:29:31.880 --> 00:29:34.200 like you know, the Greek Age of Heroes and and 497 00:29:34.319 --> 00:29:37.000 sort of the Ananaki phase where you know, sort of 498 00:29:37.000 --> 00:29:41.920 the transition between when gods also walked amongst men on 499 00:29:42.000 --> 00:29:44.480 Earth before they sort of transitioned and turned over the 500 00:29:44.519 --> 00:29:48.160 rains completely to men. And you know, that's sort of 501 00:29:48.200 --> 00:29:50.839 the Old Testament as well. I mean it is sort 502 00:29:50.839 --> 00:29:55.920 of in that area though that might be considered blasphemy, 503 00:29:55.960 --> 00:29:58.119 but I don't care. I'm a blasphemer. I'm a heretic. 504 00:29:59.720 --> 00:30:02.880 What do you think about trolls? 505 00:30:03.279 --> 00:30:05.200 I want to know, like what if the Internet form 506 00:30:05.279 --> 00:30:07.400 troll really looks? Like? What are they? What are they? 507 00:30:07.480 --> 00:30:12.640 To pick it as? And then you said they were 508 00:30:12.640 --> 00:30:14.839 created out of wood and set like what were they 509 00:30:14.880 --> 00:30:15.599 created out? Again? 510 00:30:15.680 --> 00:30:18.480 Someone? But like they're made of all things that are 511 00:30:18.480 --> 00:30:21.480 hard and natural, like rocks and mountains and wood. I mean, 512 00:30:21.480 --> 00:30:24.480 there's tufts of grass and you know, but their skin 513 00:30:24.559 --> 00:30:27.599 is like stone and bark, and you know, they're basically 514 00:30:27.680 --> 00:30:31.000 they're basically a part of nature come to life and 515 00:30:31.119 --> 00:30:38.680 some hungry you know way, but they're but they're basically 516 00:30:38.720 --> 00:30:43.480 scavengers unless they need to be something else. I mean, 517 00:30:43.519 --> 00:30:46.599 it's like like a bear. If you if you you know, 518 00:30:46.720 --> 00:30:50.519 anthropomorphized the bear, you know, it could be a troll, 519 00:30:50.720 --> 00:30:54.599 but if you gave it like rhinoceros skin. That's that's 520 00:30:54.599 --> 00:30:56.279 my interpretation anyway. 521 00:30:56.400 --> 00:31:02.000 Yeah, like a hardened skin. But and then yeah, like 522 00:31:02.079 --> 00:31:03.880 I like I agree with you, like not only for 523 00:31:04.039 --> 00:31:07.240 like the don king here, but like I've seen trolls 524 00:31:07.279 --> 00:31:12.200 depicted like as friends of kids and goofy and you know, 525 00:31:12.240 --> 00:31:15.119 like like we're gonna get to ogres pretty soon. I 526 00:31:15.119 --> 00:31:16.920 feel like that's a good leading since we just did 527 00:31:16.960 --> 00:31:22.400 trolls when I covered. But yeah, they could be cousins. 528 00:31:22.440 --> 00:31:28.559 They're redheaded step children or red headed step cousins. But yes, 529 00:31:29.359 --> 00:31:32.519 trolls I've seen much like ogres, just get depicted in 530 00:31:32.640 --> 00:31:35.519 childlike manner more than in the scary manner. But now 531 00:31:36.000 --> 00:31:38.759 all the millennials know, not the millennials, but what do 532 00:31:38.799 --> 00:31:43.880 we now gen Z or whatever it's called, the social 533 00:31:43.920 --> 00:31:44.759 media generation? 534 00:31:45.519 --> 00:31:48.240 Yeah, Jens, well, social media to start with millennials, but 535 00:31:48.319 --> 00:31:50.519 uh yeah, I think we are at gen Z. 536 00:31:50.680 --> 00:31:54.039 Yeah, they're all going to associate the troll that we're 537 00:31:54.039 --> 00:31:57.440 thinking of troll, like Internet troll. That's that's what for 538 00:31:57.519 --> 00:31:59.440 some No, for some reason, that's all we're gonna think 539 00:31:59.440 --> 00:32:00.599 about now, isntrol? 540 00:32:01.319 --> 00:32:04.200 Well yeah, but the patrol of someone who's lurking there 541 00:32:04.240 --> 00:32:07.839 to just you know, attack you. I mean it's the 542 00:32:07.880 --> 00:32:10.599 same metaphor. So it almost makes sense. I mean in 543 00:32:10.759 --> 00:32:13.400 ages past it could be a bandit, you know, you 544 00:32:13.440 --> 00:32:17.079 could say internet, you know, pirates. But now the troll, 545 00:32:17.119 --> 00:32:17.759 it's more fun. 546 00:32:19.920 --> 00:32:21.039 Should we go to ogres? Now? 547 00:32:21.559 --> 00:32:21.799 Sure? 548 00:32:22.720 --> 00:32:31.000 Our ogres is are ogree as the children are called there. Yes, 549 00:32:31.160 --> 00:32:33.720 let me uh, it's comes from a French word. 550 00:32:34.039 --> 00:32:36.680 I should I should just add that there are trolls 551 00:32:36.759 --> 00:32:40.440 in Norse mythology. Norse story, which is i mean sort 552 00:32:40.480 --> 00:32:45.599 of Northern Russian, Slavic, Germanic Norse and and some Celtic 553 00:32:45.640 --> 00:32:47.599 mythology is extremely similar. 554 00:32:47.240 --> 00:32:48.200 If not identical. 555 00:32:51.319 --> 00:32:55.519 But yeah, ogre, Yeah, it's it's like far so yeah, French. 556 00:32:56.400 --> 00:32:59.200 There's a We're gonna come up with another god in 557 00:32:59.200 --> 00:33:02.799 the stew. The word ogre is French origin, derived from 558 00:33:02.880 --> 00:33:08.759 the name of the Etrucian yon e E t r 559 00:33:08.920 --> 00:33:13.160 U s C A M. A Truscan Etruscan okay. The 560 00:33:16.039 --> 00:33:20.039 of the pre Romans, okay, which are a richly polyscetic 561 00:33:20.160 --> 00:33:25.880 pantheon that are heavily influenced by Roman mythology. So I 562 00:33:25.920 --> 00:33:27.880 hang on if it was before the Oh so it 563 00:33:27.920 --> 00:33:31.920 was before the Romans, but the Romans make stories of them, right, 564 00:33:32.799 --> 00:33:36.079 I guess so? Yeah, because that confused me for a second. 565 00:33:36.680 --> 00:33:38.519 I don't know where the French word comes in from that. 566 00:33:38.839 --> 00:33:42.000 I mean, obviously the Romans, you know, occupied what they 567 00:33:42.000 --> 00:33:45.160 call Gaul for a long time, which is modern day 568 00:33:45.160 --> 00:33:47.160 France or most of it, it's not all of it. 569 00:33:47.400 --> 00:33:50.559 And Germania, which I think they called it Alamania or 570 00:33:50.559 --> 00:33:55.839 didn't know they called it Germania, but was French language. 571 00:33:55.839 --> 00:33:58.519 Then I suppose this I don't know, but I suppose 572 00:33:59.039 --> 00:34:00.279 us at least some form French. 573 00:34:00.440 --> 00:34:10.320 Yeah. They also appear in Greece, Greece mythology and what 574 00:34:10.440 --> 00:34:13.840 is it grief mythology and Norse mythology. Ogres are often 575 00:34:13.880 --> 00:34:18.199 known as gluttony, but so associated gluttony and I forgot 576 00:34:18.199 --> 00:34:20.719 to write down the definition of gluttony. What is gluttony again? 577 00:34:21.800 --> 00:34:22.159 A lot? 578 00:34:23.159 --> 00:34:25.119 It's like it's like read specific to food. 579 00:34:25.719 --> 00:34:28.320 Is that one of the deadly sins, or it. 580 00:34:28.320 --> 00:34:30.920 Sure is one of the seven Deadly sins. It's it's 581 00:34:30.960 --> 00:34:32.079 one of the many that I have. 582 00:34:33.559 --> 00:34:38.039 I know me too. Oh yes, my bad, bad gluttony. 583 00:34:38.800 --> 00:34:43.000 But oh yeah, it says right, so I guess I 584 00:34:43.000 --> 00:34:47.760 did write it. Yes, and satiable appetites. Satiable appetites, And 585 00:34:49.760 --> 00:34:52.719 they often get depicted in fairy tales, and they're known 586 00:34:52.880 --> 00:34:55.559 for being like one of their weaknesses, especially in the 587 00:34:55.599 --> 00:34:59.960 fairy tales, is there stupid. They come off as stupid. 588 00:35:00.400 --> 00:35:02.519 Trolls are pretty stupid too. I mean that's it's not 589 00:35:03.079 --> 00:35:05.639 you know, they can be outwitted, which is I mean, 590 00:35:06.039 --> 00:35:08.119 some of the gin also had that. I mean, I 591 00:35:08.280 --> 00:35:11.639 don't think that's that's so unusual that things can be 592 00:35:11.679 --> 00:35:15.360 outwitted by, you know, the divine spark of intelligence that 593 00:35:15.400 --> 00:35:20.280 the God has put in in humans. But yeah, ogres 594 00:35:20.920 --> 00:35:23.000 I think are closer to me. They're sort of like 595 00:35:23.039 --> 00:35:25.679 gorilla men, you know, I mean, you know, the although 596 00:35:25.719 --> 00:35:29.599 gorillas get a bad rap, but you know it's sort 597 00:35:29.639 --> 00:35:34.920 of like maybe some memory of of you know, a 598 00:35:34.960 --> 00:35:38.679 more primitive man. Maybe it's you know, just a myth 599 00:35:38.679 --> 00:35:41.039 that we always have that that something in the past 600 00:35:41.239 --> 00:35:46.719 was worse than we were, you know, but yeah, the ogre, 601 00:35:47.360 --> 00:35:49.440 you know, I mean the most famous ogre of course 602 00:35:49.480 --> 00:35:54.199 is Shrek, who you know, changed everything. But basically, you know, 603 00:35:55.039 --> 00:36:01.719 was a giant, strong, simple uh uh and I and 604 00:36:01.719 --> 00:36:04.320 that's sort of what ogre is. He's he's a giant. 605 00:36:04.320 --> 00:36:07.880 But now, like Jack and the beanstalk giant, maybe they 606 00:36:07.920 --> 00:36:14.000 got smaller over over time. What what what were the 607 00:36:14.039 --> 00:36:18.960 ogres called in Greek mythology though? What what would what 608 00:36:19.000 --> 00:36:23.119 were the words that were used for them or you 609 00:36:23.559 --> 00:36:24.079 or any of them. 610 00:36:24.800 --> 00:36:26.960 I didn't write it down. I just know ogre for 611 00:36:27.079 --> 00:36:34.519 the offspring and the ogress for the women. So yeah, 612 00:36:34.559 --> 00:36:37.599 I don't know the each different m Yeah. 613 00:36:40.760 --> 00:36:43.920 Yeah, here please, here's w here's my ogren. 614 00:36:46.840 --> 00:36:51.159 St I know now the movie like the new movie 615 00:36:51.199 --> 00:36:52.920 and Shrek he is like four or five kids now 616 00:36:53.039 --> 00:36:56.559 or something like there's a new one of his kids 617 00:36:56.679 --> 00:36:59.800 or oh yeah, we're going there, you know, well let's go. 618 00:37:00.039 --> 00:37:02.239 And one of the nice things about having your kids 619 00:37:02.239 --> 00:37:03.599 grow up is that they grow up. 620 00:37:04.400 --> 00:37:04.639 Yeah. 621 00:37:05.360 --> 00:37:07.679 One of the same kids growing up is that they 622 00:37:07.679 --> 00:37:13.079 outgrow wrestling like normal people. While you haven't. I'm friends 623 00:37:13.079 --> 00:37:16.360 with PJ. Black, he was justin Gabe, but we know that. Yeah, 624 00:37:16.760 --> 00:37:20.360 that's great. Hey, we both watched Loops Underground. Say, I 625 00:37:20.360 --> 00:37:21.320 know exactly. 626 00:37:21.039 --> 00:37:21.559 Who he was. 627 00:37:21.880 --> 00:37:24.880 I know kids, don't you think? Doesn't that make me cool? No? 628 00:37:25.039 --> 00:37:25.440 Not really? 629 00:37:27.199 --> 00:37:28.920 It was interesting dad. 630 00:37:30.880 --> 00:37:34.480 And fun fact, according to my buddy's children when they 631 00:37:34.480 --> 00:37:38.440 were growing up, I was Shrek. So that's why I 632 00:37:38.480 --> 00:37:42.920 bought this Shrek doll for my buddy's daughter. I just 633 00:37:42.960 --> 00:37:44.079 have to give it to your still. 634 00:37:44.480 --> 00:37:46.400 Yeah, I was wondering, if you above your buddy's daughter, 635 00:37:46.400 --> 00:37:47.320 what are you doing with it. 636 00:37:49.199 --> 00:37:51.000 I haven't have yet to give it. I haven't met 637 00:37:51.079 --> 00:37:52.400 up with him yet to give it to him since 638 00:37:52.440 --> 00:37:54.320 I bought it. I bought it last of the movies. 639 00:37:54.960 --> 00:37:57.239 We have all bought an our gift for somebody and 640 00:37:57.280 --> 00:37:59.599 we're like, I sort of like to keep this, but 641 00:38:00.320 --> 00:38:04.599 not usually something like a Shrek doll. Were plushing them. 642 00:38:05.480 --> 00:38:07.400 Yeah, they were stelling at the movie theater because they 643 00:38:07.400 --> 00:38:10.400 were doing the twenty fifth anniversary re release of Shrek 644 00:38:10.840 --> 00:38:11.440 the first one. 645 00:38:12.679 --> 00:38:16.000 Oh my goodness, So the what are there any stories 646 00:38:16.000 --> 00:38:19.280 that you encountered of ogres in any of these mythologies? 647 00:38:19.280 --> 00:38:20.119 It doesn't matter which one. 648 00:38:20.480 --> 00:38:23.800 I just was fascinated that they were in seventeen fairy tales, 649 00:38:24.920 --> 00:38:28.119 the one being most of the associated sleeping beauty. I mean, 650 00:38:28.719 --> 00:38:32.400 I'm sure there's many sleeping beauties, but or no, maybe 651 00:38:32.400 --> 00:38:34.239 there's just one. I just take that back. Maybe there's 652 00:38:34.239 --> 00:38:37.920 just one sleeping beauty. But I should have known from 653 00:38:37.960 --> 00:38:40.559 watching Shrek, because Shrek won. That just kind of like 654 00:38:40.599 --> 00:38:42.519 a sleeping beauty fairy tale. 655 00:38:42.599 --> 00:38:47.440 Almost, yes, absolutely, And the I mean most of the 656 00:38:47.480 --> 00:38:50.239 fairy tales that we know come from you know, Hans 657 00:38:50.280 --> 00:38:53.679 Christian Anderson and the Grimm's brothers and all, you know, 658 00:38:53.760 --> 00:38:59.039 especially the Grimsbros. They traveled around collecting sort of fairy 659 00:38:59.079 --> 00:39:03.159 tales and myths and legends. And remember that book was 660 00:39:03.159 --> 00:39:07.559 a kid and it's not it's not kids book. I mean, 661 00:39:07.679 --> 00:39:10.119 what we think of fairy tales and what fairy tales 662 00:39:10.159 --> 00:39:13.639 meant and fairies really are entirely two different things. I mean, 663 00:39:14.039 --> 00:39:16.440 fairies are representing all the faith folks. They're not like 664 00:39:16.480 --> 00:39:20.199 all tinker bells, and tinker bells, if you know, are 665 00:39:20.440 --> 00:39:27.360 only one small literally and figuratively subset of the fairies 666 00:39:27.360 --> 00:39:29.679 that you think of, like sprites with you know, with wings, 667 00:39:30.599 --> 00:39:32.760 but you know, but they were they weren't horror stories. 668 00:39:32.800 --> 00:39:34.800 They were. They were you know, things to keep kids 669 00:39:34.800 --> 00:39:37.440 at home, just like you know, ring around the rosie 670 00:39:37.519 --> 00:39:40.199 was a way to keep kids distracted, you know, not 671 00:39:40.239 --> 00:39:43.280 to worry about rose petals flying through the air because 672 00:39:43.320 --> 00:39:46.320 they were burning the dead from the bubonic flag. 673 00:39:47.320 --> 00:39:53.039 Mhm, well I had something else. And oh yeah, they're 674 00:39:53.039 --> 00:39:54.880 also really like to be They love to use them 675 00:39:54.880 --> 00:39:57.679 in like Dungeons and Dragons. They were a lot of 676 00:39:57.760 --> 00:40:01.800 like medieval type video game. You know, they're like usually 677 00:40:01.840 --> 00:40:03.039 a monster you have to defeat. 678 00:40:04.599 --> 00:40:06.239 Yeah, I mean I think most of us got our 679 00:40:06.280 --> 00:40:10.880 intro introduction to most of these monsters, you know, as children, 680 00:40:11.400 --> 00:40:15.000 probably through you know, C. S. Lewis, J R. R. 681 00:40:15.119 --> 00:40:17.280 Tolkien and Dungeons of Dragons. 682 00:40:19.519 --> 00:40:22.719 And then I didn't know this was an actual fairy 683 00:40:22.760 --> 00:40:25.599 tale book. Puts Some Boots that's a story he was in. 684 00:40:25.880 --> 00:40:28.480 I never watched Puss in Boots. I know who puts 685 00:40:28.599 --> 00:40:31.159 some boots is from Shrek. I never watched the standalone movie. 686 00:40:31.199 --> 00:40:33.400 I heard it was good. 687 00:40:33.760 --> 00:40:34.639 I didn't watch it either. 688 00:40:35.000 --> 00:40:37.679 Okay, well, well I know that you like the character 689 00:40:37.760 --> 00:40:39.480 though when you watch Shrek, because I'm sure you've seen 690 00:40:39.519 --> 00:40:41.079 the first two or three Shreks, right. 691 00:40:41.719 --> 00:40:47.079 Yeah, I saw the first three. Yeah, I mean listen, 692 00:40:47.280 --> 00:40:51.800 I just like saying Antonio be so, you know, just 693 00:40:52.360 --> 00:40:55.119 and I'll I will never not like him just because 694 00:40:55.199 --> 00:40:57.679 of the skits on Saraen Night Live where he was 695 00:40:57.719 --> 00:41:00.639 like leading the like Maracchi band and like he would 696 00:41:00.719 --> 00:41:04.119 unbutton his shirt and like the background people. No boss too, 697 00:41:04.159 --> 00:41:08.920 saxy too saxy. And I still sometimes find myself saying that, 698 00:41:08.960 --> 00:41:12.599 you know, in absurd times and no nobody gets the joke, 699 00:41:12.679 --> 00:41:15.159 No nobody, no nobody knows I'm talking. I can't even 700 00:41:15.159 --> 00:41:17.039 find the jiff anymore. They used to have it. But 701 00:41:17.360 --> 00:41:21.119 certain gifts get retired. It should probably tell me something, 702 00:41:21.159 --> 00:41:24.239 but it's just telling me people retire gifts too early. 703 00:41:26.079 --> 00:41:28.719 But yeah, I did see Trek one, two and three 704 00:41:28.760 --> 00:41:31.400 and and but you know this was was I don't 705 00:41:31.400 --> 00:41:32.639 know if I would have seen them on my I 706 00:41:32.639 --> 00:41:34.840 saw a lad and with with friends in law school. 707 00:41:35.679 --> 00:41:39.000 But I my kids were, you know, young children during 708 00:41:39.079 --> 00:41:40.960 the Shrek and they you know, they they did an 709 00:41:41.039 --> 00:41:43.920 age apt by the time Shrek three came. But Shrek 710 00:41:44.000 --> 00:41:45.719 was one of those movies that that you know, there 711 00:41:45.760 --> 00:41:47.840 was enough in it for adults as there were for kids. 712 00:41:47.880 --> 00:41:51.360 So yeah, you know it was funny. That was like 713 00:41:51.440 --> 00:41:54.519 my grandpa watched the first Shrek. Like he really didn't 714 00:41:54.559 --> 00:41:56.880 watch a lot of movies that were new, but he 715 00:41:57.039 --> 00:41:58.880 watched Shrek and had a good time when it first 716 00:41:58.880 --> 00:41:59.440 came out. 717 00:42:00.039 --> 00:42:02.280 I mean, my favorite part not that she surprised anybody, 718 00:42:02.400 --> 00:42:05.559 not the name, but she cares. When snow White called 719 00:42:05.599 --> 00:42:08.920 all the animals and and and she started instead of 720 00:42:08.920 --> 00:42:11.719 singing her little happy song, she she basically sang the 721 00:42:11.719 --> 00:42:15.559 Immigrants song by led Zeppelin, and all the animals attacked. 722 00:42:15.559 --> 00:42:17.519 He attacked the castle. 723 00:42:17.559 --> 00:42:18.800 That that was. 724 00:42:19.519 --> 00:42:22.400 That was a stroke of genius. So you know, I 725 00:42:22.440 --> 00:42:24.880 will not not like Trek for that. I mean, the 726 00:42:24.920 --> 00:42:27.280 movie's got progressively, you know less. 727 00:42:27.400 --> 00:42:30.400 Yeah, I didn't watch like once they hit three. I 728 00:42:30.400 --> 00:42:33.679 don't think I watched four or five or whatever. We're 729 00:42:33.719 --> 00:42:36.079 up to you now, but yeah, I didn't. I didn't 730 00:42:36.079 --> 00:42:37.360 even know if it was a four and five or 731 00:42:37.360 --> 00:42:38.400 if I did. I swiftly forgot. 732 00:42:38.400 --> 00:42:43.519 But listen, they kick started Eddie Murphy's second chapter second half. 733 00:42:44.679 --> 00:42:47.320 Oh you're telling me the adventures of Pluto Nash and help. 734 00:42:49.239 --> 00:42:52.119 If anything that hurt. I mean, I'm sure he got 735 00:42:52.119 --> 00:42:53.960 paid either way, so it helped him hopefully, with some 736 00:42:54.039 --> 00:42:59.599 investments in savings. But yeah where wise, No, definitely, definitely not. Yeah, 737 00:43:00.239 --> 00:43:04.480 I guess, oh yeah, it's my turn. So I put unicorns, 738 00:43:04.800 --> 00:43:07.679 and mostly because everyone thinks of unicorns as something nice 739 00:43:07.840 --> 00:43:11.039 and they're sort of magical and that you can grant wishes, 740 00:43:11.519 --> 00:43:13.960 you know, and you know, you find a unicorn, it's 741 00:43:14.000 --> 00:43:18.440 good luck. And this is no surprise here, this is 742 00:43:18.679 --> 00:43:20.800 this is not the case. And actually I think there 743 00:43:20.840 --> 00:43:22.760 was not I think I know this part. There was 744 00:43:22.760 --> 00:43:25.239 a movie maybe a year and a half ago by 745 00:43:25.280 --> 00:43:28.880 a twenty four called The Death of a Unicorn I 746 00:43:28.880 --> 00:43:34.519 think was it was Paul Yes, And I'm not saying 747 00:43:34.559 --> 00:43:36.440 it was a gray movie, but it was a good 748 00:43:36.480 --> 00:43:42.239 movie and its depiction of the unicorn was much truer 749 00:43:42.360 --> 00:43:50.760 to attitude attitudinally than than modern But originally it was 750 00:43:51.480 --> 00:43:54.079 not a beautiful month, you know monster. It didn't look 751 00:43:54.079 --> 00:43:57.159 like a beautiful horse and whatever. It was a terrible monster. 752 00:43:57.199 --> 00:44:01.679 And it probably harkens back. It probably is some sort 753 00:44:01.760 --> 00:44:07.000 of memory from you know men, you know who you know, 754 00:44:07.480 --> 00:44:10.320 megafarm or forma like the if you've ever seen a 755 00:44:10.320 --> 00:44:13.840 picture of the Siberian rhinoceros, not the wooly rhinoceros. But 756 00:44:13.880 --> 00:44:20.559 that Siberian rhinoceros, that is a that is a fantastic beast. Oh, 757 00:44:20.599 --> 00:44:21.360 it's fantastic. 758 00:44:21.480 --> 00:44:22.960 May get a picture up here. 759 00:44:22.960 --> 00:44:25.719 I don't know if you can't find when I I 760 00:44:25.760 --> 00:44:28.039 have a I saved the picture of it, and I 761 00:44:28.039 --> 00:44:29.800 think it was like my profile pick for a while. 762 00:44:31.519 --> 00:44:33.360 But I found that when you change your profile pick, 763 00:44:33.519 --> 00:44:38.639 people take all sorts of things from that and get 764 00:44:38.639 --> 00:44:40.480 confused and don't know who you are and think you've 765 00:44:40.519 --> 00:44:43.639 been hacked. So I've sort of stopped doing that. But yeah, 766 00:44:43.639 --> 00:44:47.440 that the And for a while I was convinced that 767 00:44:47.440 --> 00:44:54.400 the Siberian uh uh rhinoceros was not just the original unicorn, 768 00:44:54.719 --> 00:44:58.679 but that it was also behemoth, you know from the Bible, 769 00:44:58.760 --> 00:45:04.559 that that you know that an actual like orthodox rabbi 770 00:45:04.639 --> 00:45:09.679 told me killed Leviathon. But if that's the case, he 771 00:45:09.800 --> 00:45:13.440 was wrong or at least his I'll just call order 772 00:45:13.559 --> 00:45:19.320 or sect or divin denomination. Leviathon is still around. I 773 00:45:19.320 --> 00:45:22.800 mean the Viothon. It's like like one of God's final 774 00:45:22.840 --> 00:45:25.760 tasks will be to finally kill Leviathon. Like God keeps 775 00:45:25.840 --> 00:45:28.920 Leviathon around like the sort of you know, every now 776 00:45:28.920 --> 00:45:31.480 and then practices like you know, kung fu fighting skills, 777 00:45:31.519 --> 00:45:34.320 and sometimes it's a challenge and sometimes it's not. But 778 00:45:34.760 --> 00:45:36.079 you know, at the end of the day, he's just 779 00:45:36.239 --> 00:45:39.559 God's just playing because he's all powerful. But you know, 780 00:45:39.599 --> 00:45:41.559 one of his last one of his last acts. And 781 00:45:42.039 --> 00:45:44.760 like Jews don't really have eschatology. You know, there's no 782 00:45:44.880 --> 00:45:49.400 book of Revelation because the Age of Messiah hasn't occurred 783 00:45:49.480 --> 00:45:52.119 yet and and so then when the Age of Messiah comes, 784 00:45:52.159 --> 00:45:54.480 that means they'll be prophets again who will tell us 785 00:45:54.519 --> 00:45:58.559 about the future. But but one thing we know in 786 00:45:58.599 --> 00:46:00.480 the end is that one of God's final task will 787 00:46:00.519 --> 00:46:03.320 be finally get rid of viap on it. So I 788 00:46:03.360 --> 00:46:06.360 don't know where that rabbi came up with that from, 789 00:46:06.480 --> 00:46:09.320 but I've spoken to many people and I've learned that 790 00:46:09.360 --> 00:46:13.280 there's all sorts of different interpretations of Judaism. There you go, 791 00:46:13.360 --> 00:46:18.440 look at that thing. My goodness, oh god, if I. 792 00:46:18.440 --> 00:46:21.639 Didn't see that in like a video game before, because 793 00:46:21.719 --> 00:46:24.079 you see a lot of different animals and video games. 794 00:46:23.960 --> 00:46:26.280 Right, and that's a real animal. I mean, obviously that's 795 00:46:26.280 --> 00:46:28.480 a that's a picture. But there's one in the museum. 796 00:46:29.079 --> 00:46:32.159 There's you know where they stopped it. I mean, and 797 00:46:32.239 --> 00:46:34.320 you can see how big it is, like like a 798 00:46:34.400 --> 00:46:37.440 man reaching his hand up is only touching like the bottom, 799 00:46:38.039 --> 00:46:41.599 I don't know, quarter of of the horn, let alone 800 00:46:41.800 --> 00:46:44.960 not even coming close to the shoulder the hump, which 801 00:46:45.039 --> 00:46:48.800 is you know, just that beast. So you know that. 802 00:46:48.920 --> 00:46:51.960 And then everything got smaller, like you know, but still terrible, 803 00:46:52.000 --> 00:46:57.079 like basilisk or small dragons were small, everything, everything smaller 804 00:46:57.880 --> 00:47:00.000 until they got bigger. The big the bigger things were 805 00:47:00.800 --> 00:47:04.199 versions of people that were bigger, you know, giant cyclopses, 806 00:47:04.440 --> 00:47:08.519 you know, titans, whatever. That's all fun stuff. But yeah, 807 00:47:08.519 --> 00:47:11.039 I want to talk about the unicorn because just because 808 00:47:11.199 --> 00:47:13.400 it comes from a terrible route and now it's considered 809 00:47:13.440 --> 00:47:15.920 something fun and beautiful, And thank you to the folks 810 00:47:15.960 --> 00:47:18.440 at age twenty four who made a movie that actually 811 00:47:18.440 --> 00:47:22.079 showed that was you know, more more beasts than you know, 812 00:47:22.119 --> 00:47:25.000 an intelligent beast, but more beasts terrible. It should be 813 00:47:25.079 --> 00:47:27.800 respected and feared rather than you know, you should be 814 00:47:27.840 --> 00:47:30.519 trapes around for it. So I did do a show 815 00:47:31.079 --> 00:47:33.679 a long time ago with a woman named Nicki Anna Jones, 816 00:47:33.719 --> 00:47:35.760 which was not a real name, but she was you know, 817 00:47:35.840 --> 00:47:38.760 she was a plan in Indiana Jones, and during the 818 00:47:38.800 --> 00:47:41.239 course of the show she used to have her own channel. 819 00:47:41.280 --> 00:47:43.480 She might still I don't know, but shout out to 820 00:47:43.519 --> 00:47:46.239 her she does, if not to whoever the real name is, 821 00:47:47.119 --> 00:47:50.079 because I don't, you know, get into people's real names 822 00:47:50.079 --> 00:47:53.119 if they go I handle. But she said that she 823 00:47:54.159 --> 00:47:56.719 once saw unicorn when she was in a duncle. I 824 00:47:56.719 --> 00:48:00.440 think it's South America, and you know, I'd like to believer, 825 00:48:01.400 --> 00:48:03.599 but uh, I've never seen. 826 00:48:03.400 --> 00:48:07.039 A unicorn, Jeff, you gotta believe. 827 00:48:09.000 --> 00:48:09.440 I believe. 828 00:48:09.559 --> 00:48:12.320 I believe. I believe that that was the unicorn we're 829 00:48:12.320 --> 00:48:14.360 looking at in the middle there, and I believe that 830 00:48:14.400 --> 00:48:17.599 it's extinct, and I believe it did kill a lot 831 00:48:17.679 --> 00:48:21.199 of things, probably mostly in self defense or or you know, 832 00:48:21.280 --> 00:48:24.400 in some sort of rage protecting its you know, mate 833 00:48:24.519 --> 00:48:28.159 or cubs or whatever you calves, whatever you call a 834 00:48:28.360 --> 00:48:30.639 baby wooly rhinoceros. 835 00:48:31.199 --> 00:48:34.239 Some guess in uh, in that death of the unicorn, 836 00:48:34.360 --> 00:48:36.440 this is all cgi right, like they didn't get a 837 00:48:36.480 --> 00:48:38.239 real horse, and like strap a thing on the sand 838 00:48:39.400 --> 00:48:41.239 or how much is a unicorn even in that? Well, 839 00:48:41.440 --> 00:48:44.440 I guess we'll be getting spoilers, so maybe we shouldn't. 840 00:48:44.880 --> 00:48:47.119 A fair amount whether a CG or not. I'm not sure. 841 00:48:47.199 --> 00:48:47.480 I don't. 842 00:48:47.480 --> 00:48:49.920 I don't know the answer to that question. I'm not 843 00:48:49.960 --> 00:48:52.639 a cinophile, so I'm like, you know, you probably need 844 00:48:52.679 --> 00:48:54.960 to talk to the folks at the spitball media to 845 00:48:55.000 --> 00:48:56.280 find out those kinds of answers. 846 00:48:56.320 --> 00:48:57.440 That's yeah. 847 00:48:58.119 --> 00:48:59.519 I mean, I probably know when I see it, and 848 00:48:59.519 --> 00:49:02.320 I probably while I saw it. But it's it's I 849 00:49:02.719 --> 00:49:05.159 was whatever it was, it was, it was good. It 850 00:49:05.159 --> 00:49:07.280 looked like that there were animals right there. I mean, 851 00:49:07.280 --> 00:49:09.119 it didn't look like a you know, a video game 852 00:49:09.280 --> 00:49:12.960 or animation, but there, you know, but they were sort 853 00:49:12.960 --> 00:49:16.119 of magical, but they were they were grounded. So if 854 00:49:16.119 --> 00:49:18.679 it didn't look one hundred percent realistic, that wasn't going 855 00:49:18.719 --> 00:49:22.000 to bother me, because you're not supposed to be, you know, 856 00:49:22.280 --> 00:49:23.800 just a horse or just a zebra. 857 00:49:24.480 --> 00:49:28.599 I uh, You're one of the few people I've heard 858 00:49:28.679 --> 00:49:31.679 actually talked positive about that movie, though they got panned 859 00:49:31.679 --> 00:49:32.960 when it came out. I heard not a lot of 860 00:49:32.960 --> 00:49:33.880 people really liked it. 861 00:49:35.199 --> 00:49:40.280 Yeah, I don't know. There there are certain things. Listen, 862 00:49:40.440 --> 00:49:43.360 I'm famously picky. I famously hate a lot of things 863 00:49:43.480 --> 00:49:44.800 or dislike a lot of things that a lot of 864 00:49:44.800 --> 00:49:47.519 people love, but there are things I also strangely liked 865 00:49:47.559 --> 00:49:51.000 that that. Like, for instance, I think Wyat is brilliant, 866 00:49:51.000 --> 00:49:55.239 and I thought Tombstone was average. So I mean, that's 867 00:49:55.239 --> 00:49:58.400 got to be something like ninety seven to three against me. 868 00:49:59.360 --> 00:50:02.079 So you know, listen, I'm not a w Sickoh, I 869 00:50:02.400 --> 00:50:05.239 understand reality. I understand when I'm in the minority or something. 870 00:50:05.360 --> 00:50:09.559 So yeah, but I wasn't expecting anything. And I watched 871 00:50:09.559 --> 00:50:12.000 it at home, so you know, I got HBO Max 872 00:50:12.039 --> 00:50:14.039 with my HBO, so I didn't pay anything for it, 873 00:50:14.159 --> 00:50:17.320 so all of that plays in. I also didn't think 874 00:50:17.360 --> 00:50:19.639 Suicide Scott Squad was a bad movie. I didn't think 875 00:50:19.639 --> 00:50:20.800 it was a great movie, but I think it was 876 00:50:20.800 --> 00:50:21.360 a bad movie. 877 00:50:21.440 --> 00:50:25.239 I didn't mind either. Yeah, I really liked the first one. 878 00:50:25.280 --> 00:50:26.920 I don't know why they got I liked it better 879 00:50:26.920 --> 00:50:28.920 than the second. People see the second more. 880 00:50:29.599 --> 00:50:31.760 Yeah, and then I didn't hate the second one, but 881 00:50:31.760 --> 00:50:35.119 I didn't think it was anything specially. I'm not a 882 00:50:35.119 --> 00:50:37.760 big fan of I mean, there have been James Gunn 883 00:50:37.800 --> 00:50:40.519 things that have been like Guardians of the Galaxy one 884 00:50:41.039 --> 00:50:44.800 is like a perfect movie. It's fantastic, but like, and 885 00:50:44.880 --> 00:50:46.599 I don't know, I'm sure he's done other things, but 886 00:50:46.880 --> 00:50:49.199 most of the things he've done, like, yeah, like I 887 00:50:49.239 --> 00:50:52.199 didn't get very excited when he took over from Zack Snyder. 888 00:50:52.840 --> 00:50:58.280 James Gun's not somebody that excites me. M. But he's 889 00:50:58.280 --> 00:51:01.519 not a mythological creature. So that's all I had on unicorns. 890 00:51:01.519 --> 00:51:03.079 I don't know if you wanted to add anything to 891 00:51:03.119 --> 00:51:04.679 it or if you wanted to move on to. 892 00:51:04.679 --> 00:51:10.199 Your h I guess again, they like to depict them 893 00:51:10.199 --> 00:51:12.039 on a lot of child stuff, like what you got, 894 00:51:12.079 --> 00:51:15.239 bronis you know, that's the that's the fan of my 895 00:51:15.280 --> 00:51:17.239 little pony. What do you call it? My little pony? 896 00:51:17.679 --> 00:51:20.880 Yeah, but there are unicorns, I think in the in 897 00:51:20.960 --> 00:51:27.519 the universe. And then unicorn, No Pegasus unicorn. Pegasus was 898 00:51:27.599 --> 00:51:29.400 just a winged horse, but a lot of times the 899 00:51:29.440 --> 00:51:33.320 people combined the two to sort of make a wing unicorn. 900 00:51:33.599 --> 00:51:36.119 And that's that's a nice thing about mythical creatures and 901 00:51:36.320 --> 00:51:39.679 timeras you can sort of mix and matches as you 902 00:51:39.800 --> 00:51:44.079 like because there's there's no rules, don't It doesn't have 903 00:51:44.159 --> 00:51:48.880 to be any biological, uh internal logic. They're they're magic, 904 00:51:48.960 --> 00:51:51.360 they're they're you know, they're they're from an age when 905 00:51:52.079 --> 00:51:55.320 you know, gods made what they want or or they were. 906 00:51:55.360 --> 00:51:57.920 They were formed at the same time of God, so 907 00:51:57.960 --> 00:52:00.320 the rules of physics and things don't apply. 908 00:52:04.159 --> 00:52:04.719 Side note. 909 00:52:05.519 --> 00:52:09.880 There's an author named Adrian Tchaikowsky who writes science fiction books. 910 00:52:10.480 --> 00:52:13.280 I'm not going to tell you that they're easy reads. 911 00:52:13.320 --> 00:52:14.920 I'm not going to tell you that every one of 912 00:52:14.960 --> 00:52:21.079 them is fantastic. But the way this man thinks about life, 913 00:52:21.480 --> 00:52:25.079 how it could evolve, how it could develop consciousness, how 914 00:52:25.159 --> 00:52:29.320 you can have the plurality of group thinking turning into 915 00:52:30.199 --> 00:52:35.119 uniform thinking, sharing information, different types of evolution. It is unbelievable, 916 00:52:35.159 --> 00:52:37.679 and I would say it's worth reading his books for 917 00:52:37.760 --> 00:52:39.719 that alone. I will say this Children of Time was 918 00:52:39.760 --> 00:52:43.360 a fantastic book, and the second one, which I don't 919 00:52:43.360 --> 00:52:47.639 remember the name, was also really good. The third one 920 00:52:48.039 --> 00:52:49.559 so I felt a little bit like an episode of 921 00:52:49.559 --> 00:52:53.039 Star Trek. But then when he wrote a fourth one, 922 00:52:53.800 --> 00:52:57.039 it became evident why it was so important. And he 923 00:52:57.079 --> 00:52:59.719 claims he was never planning to write sequels, but now 924 00:52:59.760 --> 00:53:01.320 I think it's sort of like one of these never 925 00:53:01.400 --> 00:53:04.519 ending things. In any event. Uh, that's just a little 926 00:53:04.519 --> 00:53:06.559 side note. If you want to try to figure out 927 00:53:06.599 --> 00:53:10.559 things actually could develop with there being rules of physics 928 00:53:10.599 --> 00:53:14.239 and science and logic behind them. I don't think there's 929 00:53:14.239 --> 00:53:16.599 anyone out there that's more creative and thinks more deeply 930 00:53:16.639 --> 00:53:20.159 about it and writes it in a way that you 931 00:53:20.199 --> 00:53:23.280 know you can understand better than he does. And it 932 00:53:23.360 --> 00:53:27.440 is he. He's British, but you know, you know, and 933 00:53:27.599 --> 00:53:32.239 has the last name of one of my favorite classical composers. 934 00:53:32.280 --> 00:53:36.000 So there's that also. Ah, so some bias in there 935 00:53:36.920 --> 00:53:39.920 probably Well, no, if I hated his book, I wouldn't 936 00:53:39.920 --> 00:53:40.360 mention it. 937 00:53:42.639 --> 00:53:45.119 But now we're probably getting to the horniest one on 938 00:53:45.159 --> 00:53:47.400 our list. Nice satyrs. 939 00:53:48.480 --> 00:53:51.599 Ah, yes, they are horny. 940 00:53:51.440 --> 00:54:04.119 Or no also known as Selenius or sells. 941 00:53:58.159 --> 00:54:00.599 Sell or rams fans. 942 00:54:01.159 --> 00:54:04.280 Yeah, no, I do not drink wine and I do not. 943 00:54:06.119 --> 00:54:08.320 I can't say the R word and here so they 944 00:54:11.559 --> 00:54:13.880 but wines with great That's what they tend to do 945 00:54:13.920 --> 00:54:21.440 to women. And they've always been depicted, uh with the 946 00:54:21.519 --> 00:54:25.559 direction most well not always. I guess we will get 947 00:54:25.599 --> 00:54:29.719 to the part their their childlike and some like fairy 948 00:54:29.760 --> 00:54:32.840 tales and other things like you've seen. Say, I don't 949 00:54:32.840 --> 00:54:34.400 know if you've ever watched the one in the watch 950 00:54:34.440 --> 00:54:39.039 in the wardrobe or read the book both Yeah. Uh, 951 00:54:39.119 --> 00:54:41.480 the one that befriended Lucy. That was a sayter right, 952 00:54:42.000 --> 00:54:43.000 m yeah pretty sure. 953 00:54:43.960 --> 00:54:46.800 It was almost like her guide, almost like her psychopomp. 954 00:54:46.960 --> 00:54:51.119 Yeah. Once I heard like what they do to women 955 00:54:51.199 --> 00:54:53.440 and stuff, I kind of like thought bad about them, 956 00:54:53.519 --> 00:54:55.480 Like thank god they didn't go there, like. 957 00:54:57.920 --> 00:55:01.559 I mean, you know what this is your second let me. 958 00:55:02.519 --> 00:55:08.719 Yes, Okay. They're also known as a spirit male nature 959 00:55:08.840 --> 00:55:13.800 spirit with ears and tails that resemble a horse. Even 960 00:55:13.840 --> 00:55:19.320 though as things go further along and uh, these tales 961 00:55:19.360 --> 00:55:23.400 of them, they start being known more goat like, they 962 00:55:23.440 --> 00:55:26.280 get more goat like features, they start getting goat horns 963 00:55:27.039 --> 00:55:32.960 and goat and goat noses stuff like that. And again 964 00:55:33.000 --> 00:55:38.760 they love their wine and let me flip over. They 965 00:55:38.800 --> 00:55:42.480 love wine. They love wine, music, dancing, and women. They 966 00:55:42.519 --> 00:55:45.960 were companions of the god. There's another word I'm gonna 967 00:55:45.960 --> 00:55:51.719 butcher dionysis. It's d n the dionysis. 968 00:55:51.760 --> 00:55:54.360 Okay, but you can say Bacchus the Roman version, it's easier. 969 00:55:56.760 --> 00:55:59.480 But she was the god or she or he was 970 00:55:59.519 --> 00:56:06.239 the god of wine, vegetation, fertility, festivity, madness, religious ecstasy, 971 00:56:06.519 --> 00:56:07.320 and theater. 972 00:56:08.000 --> 00:56:08.840 Often called. 973 00:56:10.719 --> 00:56:18.239 Often called what party Jesus party, but yes, that another 974 00:56:18.280 --> 00:56:19.800 thing I found out that I didn't know too much 975 00:56:19.800 --> 00:56:21.480 about where they have a lot of plays to pick 976 00:56:21.519 --> 00:56:23.239 it after him, So I guess that's what the theater 977 00:56:23.639 --> 00:56:28.199 the Yeah. Yeah, And they were also they're also to 978 00:56:28.239 --> 00:56:32.480 believed to roames such little sorry I getting. They were 979 00:56:32.519 --> 00:56:37.599 also believed to roam such the remote locations as woodlands, mountains, 980 00:56:37.639 --> 00:56:44.079 and pastures. Uh. They try to seduce nymphs in mortal women. 981 00:56:44.360 --> 00:56:45.079 What are nymphs. 982 00:56:46.599 --> 00:56:51.679 Nymphs are are female creatures of nature that that sort 983 00:56:51.719 --> 00:56:55.159 of are the embodiment of sort of like streams and 984 00:56:55.280 --> 00:57:04.239 brooks and and like other like woodland elements but like 985 00:57:04.320 --> 00:57:08.400 trees and flowers and like, you know, they're sort of 986 00:57:08.440 --> 00:57:13.280 like less lesser god goddesses. I would say they're more 987 00:57:14.400 --> 00:57:17.480 divine than the gin, but maybe more akin to it. 988 00:57:17.840 --> 00:57:23.119 But nymphs are also sort of they're also sort of 989 00:57:23.199 --> 00:57:25.800 all a lot of id you know, so like the 990 00:57:25.840 --> 00:57:29.559 state of nature is constant procreation to try to survive, 991 00:57:29.679 --> 00:57:32.480 which tells you a little bit about why the saturn 992 00:57:32.559 --> 00:57:35.199 is like the saturn. It's hees the male d and 993 00:57:35.280 --> 00:57:39.039 the nymph is sort of like the female it. I 994 00:57:39.119 --> 00:57:44.360 believe Achilles' mother was a nymph, but she might have 995 00:57:44.440 --> 00:57:48.239 been a goddess. I don't know. There's I get confused 996 00:57:48.239 --> 00:57:51.960 because some goddesses are nymphs and not all goddesses, and 997 00:57:52.000 --> 00:57:55.679 not all nymphs are created equal. And again these stories 998 00:57:55.800 --> 00:57:59.840 change over time. But yeah, I mean, listen, if you 999 00:57:59.840 --> 00:58:01.519 live in the woods, you're gonna find a lot of 1000 00:58:01.519 --> 00:58:05.159 wood spirits, you know, and and some of them renemps. 1001 00:58:05.159 --> 00:58:07.360 And if you're a horny guy, you're looking for a 1002 00:58:07.400 --> 00:58:10.719 horny girl. It's sort of like, you know, if it's 1003 00:58:10.760 --> 00:58:13.840 the nineties, you know you're gonna go to the Jersey Shore. 1004 00:58:15.360 --> 00:58:16.440 You're go to the club. 1005 00:58:18.039 --> 00:58:18.280 Club. 1006 00:58:20.159 --> 00:58:22.440 What did Don Tony used to call those people cardboard 1007 00:58:22.440 --> 00:58:23.440 cutout gangsters? 1008 00:58:24.280 --> 00:58:29.360 Don't don't invoke his name on my show. Hey, he 1009 00:58:29.840 --> 00:58:31.239 gave he gave us Kevin Castle. 1010 00:58:32.440 --> 00:58:36.920 He did. And then, like I was bringing up later on, 1011 00:58:36.960 --> 00:58:38.360 they became more human like. 1012 00:58:38.360 --> 00:58:40.840 And I should have finish that thought. So we're thankful 1013 00:58:41.039 --> 00:58:41.320 for that. 1014 00:58:42.360 --> 00:58:52.280 Yeah, alright, p C absolutely their characteristics. Uh, okay, this 1015 00:58:52.320 --> 00:58:54.559 is weird. I gotta make sure I'm up to read 1016 00:58:54.559 --> 00:59:02.280 this ship making sure. Okay, characteristics. After confrontations with Pans 1017 00:59:02.320 --> 00:59:07.119 and Pans, Okay, so they started to betraying human and 1018 00:59:07.159 --> 00:59:10.079 got like form after having a conflict with the Pants, 1019 00:59:10.679 --> 00:59:13.800 and it says Pans are the god of nature, the 1020 00:59:13.840 --> 00:59:17.199 wild shepherds and the flocks and the mountain wilds. 1021 00:59:17.679 --> 00:59:21.719 Yeah, so Pan, I think, I mean, I think at 1022 00:59:21.719 --> 00:59:25.599 this point Pan has become interchangeable with a Sadder. But 1023 00:59:25.719 --> 00:59:31.000 Pan was sort of different. I'm not exactly sure on 1024 00:59:31.559 --> 00:59:39.440 the how, but yeah, Pan a god Sadders not exactly 1025 00:59:39.599 --> 00:59:42.800 God's but again sort of like the Gin, sort of 1026 00:59:43.480 --> 00:59:48.639 like an immortal creature, but definitely one that interacted with 1027 00:59:48.880 --> 00:59:50.639 human and gods alike. 1028 00:59:54.079 --> 00:59:56.599 And then they often appear in works of fantasy and 1029 00:59:56.679 --> 00:59:59.000 children's literature, like I brought up the Lion, the Witch 1030 00:59:59.000 --> 01:00:03.119 in the Wardrobe and one time he the There was 1031 01:00:03.119 --> 01:00:05.920 an episode of Celebrity Death Match. I'm sure you know 1032 01:00:05.960 --> 01:00:09.400 Celebrity death Match. Jeff people in the chat or they 1033 01:00:09.400 --> 01:00:14.280 were chime traveling to get they were trying time traveling 1034 01:00:14.280 --> 01:00:17.360 to get Debbie Matt Nopolis back from Napoleon and they 1035 01:00:17.440 --> 01:00:20.519 ended up in Roman times and there was a sader 1036 01:00:21.320 --> 01:00:25.280 and Nick Diamond had to fight a satyr and they 1037 01:00:25.320 --> 01:00:27.559 totally depict it as what it was, horny and was 1038 01:00:27.639 --> 01:00:31.039 drunk on wine and but Nick beat it. 1039 01:00:31.119 --> 01:00:36.199 So, yeah, drunk goats are you know, I guess easier 1040 01:00:36.239 --> 01:00:38.760 to fight than a nun. Drunk goats goats are me, 1041 01:00:39.199 --> 01:00:45.480 but they can anger goat, Yeah, an angry goat. Yeah, goats. 1042 01:00:46.039 --> 01:00:50.119 So the whole thing is sort of interesting because I mean, 1043 01:00:50.199 --> 01:00:52.400 you know, everyone you know, goats demonicas. They've got those 1044 01:00:52.400 --> 01:00:55.119 weird eyes and you know, who knows why the eyes 1045 01:00:55.320 --> 01:00:59.039 evolved that way, but it's it's obviously been successful because 1046 01:00:59.079 --> 01:01:02.840 there's you know whatever, you know, three thousand different kinds 1047 01:01:02.880 --> 01:01:06.039 of goats, and you know, and the other unchulits with 1048 01:01:06.079 --> 01:01:10.599 those kinds of including rams though I don't think their 1049 01:01:10.599 --> 01:01:15.800 eyes are like that. But like, we have to take 1050 01:01:15.840 --> 01:01:24.400 ourselves back thousands of years. So, horses weren't domesticated until 1051 01:01:24.840 --> 01:01:27.320 like ten thousand years ago. As a tool, they were, 1052 01:01:27.559 --> 01:01:31.599 they were game animal, they were they were hunted cattle 1053 01:01:32.440 --> 01:01:34.679 probably a little bit later than that. You probably needed 1054 01:01:34.719 --> 01:01:37.599 the horses to be able to have any more than 1055 01:01:37.679 --> 01:01:41.960 than than some cattle, and they were wild cattle as well. Goats, however, 1056 01:01:42.599 --> 01:01:46.039 goats were the original animal that we could domesticate for 1057 01:01:46.320 --> 01:01:50.079 food and use sheep, you know, for clothes and you know, 1058 01:01:51.320 --> 01:01:53.440 skins and and you know, and. 1059 01:01:53.280 --> 01:01:55.960 You like goat milk, you found a goat milk or 1060 01:01:55.960 --> 01:01:56.679 goat cheese or. 1061 01:01:57.679 --> 01:01:59.639 I have had goat cheese. I like, I can't say 1062 01:01:59.639 --> 01:02:01.920 that that if I've had goat mill that I liked it. 1063 01:02:02.280 --> 01:02:05.039 I mean dogs, it's arguable whether we domesticate them or 1064 01:02:05.039 --> 01:02:11.159 they domesticated us, but dovesticated me. But having goats that 1065 01:02:11.280 --> 01:02:14.559 was wealth. So when you think about shepherds in like 1066 01:02:14.719 --> 01:02:18.679 the biblical era and the pre biblical ere you're thinking 1067 01:02:18.679 --> 01:02:21.960 about like people now that you know in Afghanistan sort 1068 01:02:22.000 --> 01:02:24.159 of taking like you know, twenty goats across the street 1069 01:02:24.199 --> 01:02:26.199 and cars have to wait for them and they wander, 1070 01:02:26.320 --> 01:02:29.039 you know, in their shredded, tattered robes with a walking stick, 1071 01:02:29.480 --> 01:02:33.000 you know, bent over. That wasn't then that that was wealth. 1072 01:02:33.079 --> 01:02:35.880 That was like that was like you had the Yellowstone 1073 01:02:35.960 --> 01:02:41.360 ranch with all the property taxes, so you know, and 1074 01:02:41.559 --> 01:02:44.880 they were promiscuous animals, which is part of the success 1075 01:02:44.920 --> 01:02:48.039 of them, I mean, especially once they were domesticated. You know, 1076 01:02:48.480 --> 01:02:50.599 part of what the shepherd did and the dogs did 1077 01:02:50.760 --> 01:02:53.760 is to keep them safe from wolves. So so yeah, 1078 01:02:53.760 --> 01:02:56.320 these animals are always fucking. But these animals are always 1079 01:02:56.320 --> 01:02:58.880 fucking because you know, three out of four of them 1080 01:02:58.920 --> 01:03:01.360 aren't going to make it. You know, two year five 1081 01:03:01.519 --> 01:03:04.440 is to be taken out by foxes and wolves and 1082 01:03:04.880 --> 01:03:07.800 you know, cougars and lions, tigers and bears, and they 1083 01:03:07.840 --> 01:03:10.000 were far more of those things then the plus you. 1084 01:03:09.960 --> 01:03:11.519 Know, they get, I want to be taken out by 1085 01:03:11.519 --> 01:03:13.920 a cougar. Don't you want to be taking maybe you 1086 01:03:13.920 --> 01:03:15.000 are taken out by a cougar. 1087 01:03:15.480 --> 01:03:17.920 Well, back then it wasn't even cougar. There were full 1088 01:03:17.960 --> 01:03:21.639 blown lions that would take them out, so you know, 1089 01:03:22.199 --> 01:03:27.960 things wherever. So anyway, the whole horn thing was sort 1090 01:03:28.000 --> 01:03:29.760 of come from that stuf. I mean, that's where the 1091 01:03:29.800 --> 01:03:33.559 word horny comes from, is the satyrs. But meanwhile, the 1092 01:03:35.320 --> 01:03:37.920 like bowl was like the strongest thing. So by the 1093 01:03:37.920 --> 01:03:40.960 time we got around to you know, bulls were on domesticatable, 1094 01:03:41.039 --> 01:03:46.039 so that by the time the men domesticated cattle, the 1095 01:03:46.119 --> 01:03:48.559 bulls were like that was the ultimate sign of wells 1096 01:03:48.599 --> 01:03:51.039 because you know, they're much bigger. And where am I 1097 01:03:51.079 --> 01:03:54.480 going with this? The Sumerian gods were all originally predicted 1098 01:03:54.800 --> 01:03:56.960 depicted with horns on their heads. It was like it 1099 01:03:57.000 --> 01:03:59.800 was a crown. And of course through Sumerian gods we 1100 01:03:59.840 --> 01:04:02.599 can in the Babylonian and then at some point, you know, 1101 01:04:02.639 --> 01:04:05.239 they became the bad guys and the defeated, and so 1102 01:04:05.440 --> 01:04:08.079 anything with horn not you know, sort of turned into 1103 01:04:08.119 --> 01:04:13.559 something bad. And then we have these wood nymphs. You know, 1104 01:04:13.599 --> 01:04:18.800 they're they're they're busy having sex. So horny bad, devil, bad, 1105 01:04:19.000 --> 01:04:23.000 Satan baduh. You know, so this is you know, theater, 1106 01:04:23.639 --> 01:04:25.719 you know, all all this is you know, sort of 1107 01:04:25.719 --> 01:04:30.800 bad influences on people, and you know, you know, but 1108 01:04:30.840 --> 01:04:32.719 it got to the point where you know that that's 1109 01:04:32.719 --> 01:04:35.920 why people were sacrificing goats because they were valuable. You 1110 01:04:35.960 --> 01:04:39.079 weren't sacrificing, you know, just a silly little animal that 1111 01:04:39.119 --> 01:04:41.320 you have an apenian, so you were you were sacrificing 1112 01:04:41.360 --> 01:04:44.039 the big part of your wealth and your future wealth 1113 01:04:44.039 --> 01:04:47.960 because goats you got other goats. So it was sort 1114 01:04:47.960 --> 01:04:51.800 of a big deal where belly goat. But the main 1115 01:04:51.840 --> 01:04:55.039 part was was that the oldest gods that we have 1116 01:04:55.199 --> 01:04:58.800 images of, uh. You know that that sort of led 1117 01:04:58.840 --> 01:05:01.119 to maybe all of the other odds that survived today 1118 01:05:01.679 --> 01:05:04.320 had horns on their heads as as a depiction of 1119 01:05:04.360 --> 01:05:07.599 their godliness, that they were stronger than men. They had 1120 01:05:07.639 --> 01:05:11.559 the horns, and so it's it's easy to see why again, 1121 01:05:11.639 --> 01:05:15.280 the the strong becomes the anti of whatever it is. 1122 01:05:15.320 --> 01:05:20.880 The you know, the Temple of you know, the the 1123 01:05:20.880 --> 01:05:27.199 Temple of Babylon, the gardens, the palace becomes the Tower 1124 01:05:27.239 --> 01:05:30.840 of babyl you know, a bad thing. And you know, 1125 01:05:31.760 --> 01:05:35.280 in the original story where u sacrifice was given to 1126 01:05:35.320 --> 01:05:39.559 the god, the you know, the Babylonian god picked the 1127 01:05:39.559 --> 01:05:43.360 pastoral gifts of the of the of the seed and 1128 01:05:43.400 --> 01:05:48.159 the grain, not the meat. In canaan abel uh yahweh 1129 01:05:48.159 --> 01:05:52.639 picked pick, picked the meat and rejected Caine in which 1130 01:05:52.679 --> 01:05:56.360 you know, drove caine bananas. So it's but like a 1131 01:05:56.360 --> 01:05:58.440 lot of these stories, like you sort of reverse the 1132 01:05:58.519 --> 01:06:03.599 roles or the outcome, the story is the same, and 1133 01:06:03.800 --> 01:06:09.199 the horn is just one of those things. Ironically, for 1134 01:06:09.280 --> 01:06:13.239 the Jews, that the because of a depiction of Moses 1135 01:06:13.840 --> 01:06:17.079 with a halo, which you know often was depicted as 1136 01:06:18.119 --> 01:06:20.639 sun rays coming out of your head, basically like the 1137 01:06:20.679 --> 01:06:24.559 Statue of Liberty. I mean, it was depicted as horns, 1138 01:06:24.599 --> 01:06:27.199 and then that became a you know trope that Jews 1139 01:06:27.199 --> 01:06:33.119 have horns, which still exists today. So back to the 1140 01:06:33.159 --> 01:06:34.840 Samarians and back to the Saturn. 1141 01:06:35.920 --> 01:06:41.039 But yeah, I guess it's the close it up real quick. 1142 01:06:42.320 --> 01:06:46.199 This one I found it was interesting, uh, pre pre 1143 01:06:46.400 --> 01:06:50.760 Islamic or the so sorry, they often been compared to 1144 01:06:50.840 --> 01:06:54.599 the Gin for the pre alogue pre Islamic Arabia era. 1145 01:06:56.760 --> 01:06:58.159 Yeah, a lot a lot of these things. I think 1146 01:06:58.159 --> 01:06:59.840 the nymphs also, I'm gonna saying a lot of these 1147 01:06:59.840 --> 01:07:02.880 things that are semi divine but also immortal, that can 1148 01:07:03.000 --> 01:07:09.320 that that can interact with people. They represent different things, 1149 01:07:09.360 --> 01:07:12.639 and I think that they get conscripted into into different 1150 01:07:12.679 --> 01:07:15.719 roles and different names, and you put a little spin 1151 01:07:15.800 --> 01:07:18.880 on it. I mean, you know in Arabia they're you know, 1152 01:07:19.280 --> 01:07:23.480 less forests than there are sand and water and and 1153 01:07:23.599 --> 01:07:27.239 you know sandstorms and fire and electricity and static electricity. 1154 01:07:27.280 --> 01:07:30.800 And it's not just uh it's not just like a 1155 01:07:30.840 --> 01:07:34.760 sand dens are likely to pick it just trees and sand. 1156 01:07:34.840 --> 01:07:37.239 And well there's a coast. I mean there's a pretty 1157 01:07:37.400 --> 01:07:40.000 there's yeah, I mean you know there's two. There's there's 1158 01:07:40.000 --> 01:07:42.559 one on the Red Sea, and there's and then and 1159 01:07:42.599 --> 01:07:45.440 there's one on you know, the Gulf of Oman and 1160 01:07:45.480 --> 01:07:49.199 the straight upom Moves and the Persian Gulf. So I 1161 01:07:49.199 --> 01:07:51.880 mean they're there and then the Indian Ocean there below 1162 01:07:52.320 --> 01:07:54.800 as well, so there are coasts and the climate was 1163 01:07:54.960 --> 01:07:59.079 very different, you know, uh, you know, even even five six, 1164 01:07:59.119 --> 01:08:02.800 seven thousand years go. And yeah, climate doesn't change overnight 1165 01:08:02.920 --> 01:08:05.960 usually unless like you know, tons of volcanoes erupt or 1166 01:08:06.000 --> 01:08:12.440 meteor strikes. How does well, I mean, you know, I 1167 01:08:12.480 --> 01:08:14.199 don't think he told us that it was going to 1168 01:08:14.239 --> 01:08:17.439 happen anytime now. I think he accelerated the time by 1169 01:08:17.479 --> 01:08:20.840 a few decades. But you know, who knows. Maybe we'll 1170 01:08:20.880 --> 01:08:23.560 take our way out of that different com of dudes. 1171 01:08:24.119 --> 01:08:26.439 One closing thought before we get to your next subject. 1172 01:08:27.399 --> 01:08:29.199 I found it funny you do. In my research, they 1173 01:08:29.199 --> 01:08:32.760 had a depicted picture of a satyr from five hundred BC, 1174 01:08:33.560 --> 01:08:35.520 and he had a full erection and he had a 1175 01:08:35.520 --> 01:08:37.119 wine cup sitting on top of the erection. 1176 01:08:37.680 --> 01:08:41.159 Damn right, very you know, very very useful to these 1177 01:08:41.319 --> 01:08:45.680 These creatures had very specific and they were with the Dionysius, 1178 01:08:45.680 --> 01:08:48.000 who is about you know, fun and free love. I 1179 01:08:48.000 --> 01:08:49.159 mean it's sort of like a sort of like a 1180 01:08:49.239 --> 01:08:52.520 hippie but hey, but he was also about peace. And 1181 01:08:52.600 --> 01:08:55.960 Dionysius was only sometimes part of the Twelve Olympians, not 1182 01:08:56.000 --> 01:08:58.199 always welcome, which is why he was always wandering around 1183 01:08:58.279 --> 01:09:03.119 having having good times and you know, sharing his thoughts, 1184 01:09:03.199 --> 01:09:06.119 which some people call wisdom. Some people compared him to 1185 01:09:07.239 --> 01:09:10.680 you know, sort of like Toath or you know, you know, 1186 01:09:11.039 --> 01:09:12.079 but he's he's sort. 1187 01:09:11.920 --> 01:09:17.159 Of a less less a low key chaos agents and 1188 01:09:17.199 --> 01:09:21.000 more you know, let's all, let's all be cool and 1189 01:09:21.079 --> 01:09:23.000 have a good time kind of kind of agent. 1190 01:09:24.319 --> 01:09:30.000 But yeah, I think, what's your thoughts about religious ecstasy? 1191 01:09:30.039 --> 01:09:32.079 I don't know, that word just seems funny. The god 1192 01:09:32.680 --> 01:09:39.439 the religious ecstasy, you only have a religious horniness or 1193 01:09:39.760 --> 01:09:42.359 you're at tracking religious people don't What does that mean? 1194 01:09:43.479 --> 01:09:49.800 I would say that ecstasy is not necessarily sexual. I 1195 01:09:49.840 --> 01:09:52.640 mean that that is maybe the simplest form of I mean, 1196 01:09:53.560 --> 01:09:57.640 ecstatic states are what the profits and what oracles were 1197 01:09:57.640 --> 01:10:00.439 said to be in sort of one where you can't 1198 01:10:00.479 --> 01:10:03.319 control your body because something else is entered into you. 1199 01:10:03.720 --> 01:10:06.319 And so religious would mean that something divine has entered 1200 01:10:06.319 --> 01:10:10.840 into you, you know, as opposed to that you you know, 1201 01:10:12.199 --> 01:10:15.840 you know, achieved a climax with someone that you wanted 1202 01:10:15.840 --> 01:10:20.920 to achieve a climax with, even if that person is yourself. 1203 01:10:21.039 --> 01:10:24.560 So yeah, I think, really, you know, I think the 1204 01:10:25.279 --> 01:10:28.800 way we use ecstasy is maybe a little bit different, 1205 01:10:28.800 --> 01:10:31.760 but I think it's about a spiritual awakening. There's and 1206 01:10:31.800 --> 01:10:34.520 there's a lot of time into psychedelics and sort of 1207 01:10:34.560 --> 01:10:36.840 lose you know, sort of you know, getting into that 1208 01:10:37.760 --> 01:10:42.239 higher realm of being able to reach reality or see 1209 01:10:42.319 --> 01:10:45.279 spheres of reality, or you know, seeing God, seeing the 1210 01:10:45.319 --> 01:10:48.239 supernatural scene beyond the matrix, whatever. A lot of that 1211 01:10:48.319 --> 01:10:52.520 is helped by psychedelics mushrooms. Remember, wine and beer and 1212 01:10:52.560 --> 01:10:56.000 things like that were a lot stronger than they are now. 1213 01:10:57.640 --> 01:11:00.079 The wine was made way more fermented about when too. 1214 01:11:00.560 --> 01:11:05.640 For sure, and in fact, the reason why people one 1215 01:11:05.680 --> 01:11:09.039 of the reasons why people drank wine beer so often 1216 01:11:09.039 --> 01:11:13.159 and water it down was to develop a tolerance for 1217 01:11:13.279 --> 01:11:17.520 it so that when they wanted to party, they they 1218 01:11:17.640 --> 01:11:18.359 really got it on. 1219 01:11:18.560 --> 01:11:22.119 They could they could, you know, drink like her baby. 1220 01:11:21.640 --> 01:11:24.560 I could drink my light beers, my woggers and stuff. 1221 01:11:24.560 --> 01:11:26.560 But it comes to those I pas or those dark 1222 01:11:26.600 --> 01:11:29.199 beers or those stouts, those true beers, like I can't. 1223 01:11:29.720 --> 01:11:30.079 I can't. 1224 01:11:31.560 --> 01:11:35.119 I I famously prefer not to drink beer if I 1225 01:11:35.119 --> 01:11:38.159 I mean, I will, but it's I can't drink enough 1226 01:11:38.199 --> 01:11:41.079 beers to well I probably could now because I drink 1227 01:11:41.119 --> 01:11:44.319 so infrequently and probably a lightweight. But one of the 1228 01:11:44.359 --> 01:11:48.800 things I'm snooty about is liquor and and but I'm 1229 01:11:49.039 --> 01:11:51.039 but I'm also, like I said, a lightweight because I 1230 01:11:51.159 --> 01:11:54.119 drink like maybe twice a year. So it's so I'm 1231 01:11:54.159 --> 01:11:57.199 actually I'm an expensive date, but I'm a cheap expensive 1232 01:11:57.239 --> 01:11:59.039 date on that, like the like the two drinks will 1233 01:11:59.039 --> 01:12:03.199 be expensive. But that's all all, That's all I'll take, 1234 01:12:05.079 --> 01:12:07.640 all right. My next was The wind to Go, and 1235 01:12:08.159 --> 01:12:11.520 mostly because the Wendy Go has turned into sort of 1236 01:12:11.520 --> 01:12:15.720 like almost like a werewolf with ear antlers and you know, 1237 01:12:15.840 --> 01:12:21.439 that kind of thing, and that's not what it was. 1238 01:12:21.920 --> 01:12:29.000 The Wendigo was. So it's origins, at least with the 1239 01:12:29.000 --> 01:12:33.960 word Wendigo is from the northwest North America, which probably 1240 01:12:34.000 --> 01:12:38.760 means it also traveled from Siberia. But the legend is 1241 01:12:38.800 --> 01:12:41.920 that it was a bunch of Native Americans or First Nations, 1242 01:12:41.920 --> 01:12:47.319 whichever phrase you prefer, who got lost, you know, or 1243 01:12:47.479 --> 01:12:50.920 or were trapped in the mountains, you know, on a 1244 01:12:51.000 --> 01:12:55.479 hunting party and they ended up having to they ate 1245 01:12:55.560 --> 01:12:58.600 each other like real life. They got into cannibalism, and 1246 01:12:58.640 --> 01:13:03.399 because that is taboo was taboo. It's too pretty much 1247 01:13:03.399 --> 01:13:07.159 everywhere except a few places and a few cultures. You know, 1248 01:13:07.199 --> 01:13:10.119 the bad guys are always cannibals, and the bad guys 1249 01:13:10.159 --> 01:13:13.079 are also eating babies, stealing and eating babies. Those those 1250 01:13:13.079 --> 01:13:19.239 are you know, and and all id. So they got 1251 01:13:19.239 --> 01:13:23.079 transformed into creatures that could never die. They could never 1252 01:13:23.159 --> 01:13:27.000 be satisfied. They were rapacious gluttony, but but they could 1253 01:13:27.000 --> 01:13:31.279 never be full. And they were not like were wolves 1254 01:13:31.359 --> 01:13:35.359 with antlers. They were more like what you saw the figures. 1255 01:13:35.399 --> 01:13:38.119 They were like trying to squeeze out of the wall 1256 01:13:38.199 --> 01:13:40.800 and pain Floyd the wall, or like Edwards. As far 1257 01:13:40.840 --> 01:13:43.039 as this the screen, they were almost like slender Man. 1258 01:13:43.079 --> 01:13:50.159 They were long, emaciated, stretched out people, skeletal, you could 1259 01:13:50.199 --> 01:13:54.239 barely distinguish human features. But they were you know, two 1260 01:13:54.319 --> 01:13:57.319 eyes a place where there was a nose out, and 1261 01:13:57.359 --> 01:14:01.079 they would well and and and they could only be 1262 01:14:01.159 --> 01:14:05.000 satisfied by eating human meat. But they could never be satisfied. 1263 01:14:05.000 --> 01:14:10.760 They were so they but so it was a constant quest. 1264 01:14:10.720 --> 01:14:12.840 To do they have brain William syndrome. 1265 01:14:16.159 --> 01:14:19.640 They were cursed. It was an eternal damnation. But the 1266 01:14:19.720 --> 01:14:24.319 damnation was also would befall any you know wayward, you know, 1267 01:14:24.479 --> 01:14:27.720 the soul they would encounter them. So the lesson is 1268 01:14:27.760 --> 01:14:29.840 it's not about you know, good or bad. You you 1269 01:14:29.880 --> 01:14:32.920 can suffer the fate no matter what, just by being unlucky, 1270 01:14:32.960 --> 01:14:35.960 which is sort of true in life. But you know, 1271 01:14:36.560 --> 01:14:40.640 if you want to come out like this, then you know, 1272 01:14:40.880 --> 01:14:42.760 eat people. If you don't want to come out like this, 1273 01:14:43.199 --> 01:14:46.760 don't eat people. Other bad things, you know, and you know, 1274 01:14:46.840 --> 01:14:51.560 so no cannibalism, no good. You know, eat grass, eat tree, bark, 1275 01:14:51.640 --> 01:14:55.640 do whatever, or or suffer in silence and and you know, 1276 01:14:55.760 --> 01:14:58.000 die a noble death, but don't eat people. It was 1277 01:14:58.039 --> 01:15:02.439 it was Itali against cannibalism basically, and the curse of 1278 01:15:03.119 --> 01:15:05.880 you know, because even because even when they were eating, 1279 01:15:05.920 --> 01:15:08.039 they were looking for their next meal, and their next 1280 01:15:08.079 --> 01:15:10.399 meals were twenty four seven, three hundred and sixty five. 1281 01:15:10.800 --> 01:15:12.359 You know, keep doing the math. 1282 01:15:13.000 --> 01:15:15.520 It's like an alcoholic with a beer, like I'm looking 1283 01:15:15.560 --> 01:15:18.319 forward to my next beer. I need. 1284 01:15:19.520 --> 01:15:21.159 You've been mentioned beer a lot this show. I'm not 1285 01:15:21.319 --> 01:15:22.680 worried about you live beers are not. 1286 01:15:25.800 --> 01:15:28.439 No. I haven't had a beer today though I think. 1287 01:15:32.800 --> 01:15:35.359 You're on the West coast. It's it's more, it's am 1288 01:15:35.399 --> 01:15:37.199 where you are. I'm glad you didn't have a beer 1289 01:15:37.239 --> 01:15:41.760 yet today. My goodness, you need to do I'm gonna 1290 01:15:41.760 --> 01:15:43.560 need to call the other Jack to do an intervention. 1291 01:15:44.479 --> 01:15:52.840 Yeah, so this is nothing Native American, because I swear, 1292 01:15:52.920 --> 01:15:54.520 like what I used to hear about winding I thought, 1293 01:15:54.920 --> 01:15:58.119 this is there like a windygo tribe or maybe that's 1294 01:15:58.159 --> 01:15:59.319 like something totally different. 1295 01:16:00.079 --> 01:16:03.319 Probably not entirely different. I mean, there are a lot 1296 01:16:03.359 --> 01:16:09.640 of different tribes, and I know the nations peoples with 1297 01:16:09.720 --> 01:16:12.079 lots of different words, and and then sure there's ones. 1298 01:16:13.079 --> 01:16:16.319 I mean, of course there's a Winnebago. I went to 1299 01:16:16.359 --> 01:16:18.479 a camp called Winak, so there's. 1300 01:16:19.199 --> 01:16:21.399 You educated me a little bit because yeah, I just 1301 01:16:21.479 --> 01:16:28.680 needed to pick because I played this game called Until Dawn, 1302 01:16:29.399 --> 01:16:31.279 and the Windy Goes were after you in that game, 1303 01:16:31.359 --> 01:16:34.279 trying to kill you and you're trying to survive. So 1304 01:16:34.880 --> 01:16:36.600 and it's like you said, they depict them with the 1305 01:16:36.640 --> 01:16:39.560 horns and the you know, but they're like. 1306 01:16:39.560 --> 01:16:42.680 They're like zombies, are our current zombies, which again I 1307 01:16:43.039 --> 01:16:45.079 use the word revenance a lot because there's a lot 1308 01:16:45.079 --> 01:16:47.760 of creatures that could fall under revenants. But basically they're 1309 01:16:47.880 --> 01:16:50.920 undead and hungry and they're they're trying to kill you 1310 01:16:50.960 --> 01:16:55.000 for what for one reason or another or one's. 1311 01:16:54.199 --> 01:16:56.680 Just like a zombie too, like what they depict zombies. 1312 01:16:56.680 --> 01:16:59.159 And they never get full either, right, they just got. 1313 01:16:59.039 --> 01:17:02.560 To eat and eat you need exactly right. So yeah, 1314 01:17:02.560 --> 01:17:06.079 they're they're they're og zombies, I suppose. 1315 01:17:06.479 --> 01:17:09.199 I mean, it's a vampire ever gets four on blood 1316 01:17:09.239 --> 01:17:11.239 or doesn't always needs its blood. 1317 01:17:11.720 --> 01:17:14.760 Well, the vampire. I don't know if the vampire is 1318 01:17:14.760 --> 01:17:19.199 on your list or not, but no, vampires, the modern 1319 01:17:19.399 --> 01:17:25.199 version of a vampire can can be satiated for a 1320 01:17:25.239 --> 01:17:27.720 period of time, and that period of time depends and 1321 01:17:27.880 --> 01:17:29.600 you know, now they can you know, also touch on 1322 01:17:29.600 --> 01:17:34.199 as they sleep for centuries or whatever. The original whatever 1323 01:17:34.239 --> 01:17:38.039 original vampire was, it was a slow morphane. And I've 1324 01:17:38.039 --> 01:17:41.159 done shows on the vampires with my good friend see 1325 01:17:41.199 --> 01:17:43.640 the Superior. We did two shows on vampires, one in 1326 01:17:43.720 --> 01:17:50.720 literature and one elsewhere. But I would argue that the 1327 01:17:50.800 --> 01:17:56.960 original descriptions of vampire is indecipherable. From the from a 1328 01:17:57.000 --> 01:18:02.039 skin walker, from a revenant, from a witch, uh, and 1329 01:18:02.079 --> 01:18:06.159 from a zombie. They all sort of were the same 1330 01:18:06.239 --> 01:18:11.399 thing that slowly became different things. Yeah, and then and 1331 01:18:12.079 --> 01:18:17.920 which and whichever culture was doing some involved. There's lots 1332 01:18:17.960 --> 01:18:23.119 of creatures that that were bloodsuckers that have now been 1333 01:18:23.359 --> 01:18:26.840 you know, cast as part of the vampire family tree. 1334 01:18:26.880 --> 01:18:30.479 But I mean some of there's like there's like no 1335 01:18:30.560 --> 01:18:36.239 connection in you know, to China, in in like you know, uh, 1336 01:18:36.840 --> 01:18:39.960 you know, to what was happy on and say central Europe. 1337 01:18:40.000 --> 01:18:42.640 But I don't know, maybe somewhere there was there was 1338 01:18:42.680 --> 01:18:45.920 a route. I'm always amenable to that. I'm just not 1339 01:18:46.079 --> 01:18:48.800 particularly amenable to the Graham Hancock notion that it was 1340 01:18:49.600 --> 01:18:53.199 from Atlantis. I am more of amenable to the von 1341 01:18:53.279 --> 01:18:55.960 Danigan that it was Aliens, because you know, aliens wre 1342 01:18:56.079 --> 01:19:00.399 make more sense to me than some super cult super society. 1343 01:19:00.520 --> 01:19:04.760 But again, I like Wyatt more than Tombstone. So what 1344 01:19:04.800 --> 01:19:05.159 do I know. 1345 01:19:06.000 --> 01:19:10.520 We all got likes, you know, we all got a 1346 01:19:10.560 --> 01:19:13.119 different instance, Like. 1347 01:19:13.600 --> 01:19:16.000 If you're watching, give us some likes, give a share, 1348 01:19:16.079 --> 01:19:19.039 please give a subscribe, tell your friends. Here on the 1349 01:19:19.079 --> 01:19:23.039 Sports Jedi Network and right now Sports Eda Media Network, 1350 01:19:23.199 --> 01:19:25.279 there's lots of stuff. It's not just Garden. I thought 1351 01:19:25.319 --> 01:19:27.960 there's tons of wrestling content. One day night I do 1352 01:19:28.000 --> 01:19:31.279 the MLW files with my best friend mister Thomas firstwhile 1353 01:19:31.359 --> 01:19:34.960 of MLW wrestling. So we have an insider and the 1354 01:19:34.960 --> 01:19:39.680 godfather of the Boy Fight Club, Kevin and I who's 1355 01:19:39.720 --> 01:19:41.720 Kevin's the producers in the background. We're going to start 1356 01:19:41.720 --> 01:19:45.079 doing an NXT review show, and I do a show 1357 01:19:45.119 --> 01:19:47.079 called Adam Character, which has sort of taken over the 1358 01:19:47.079 --> 01:19:49.800 book a Black Gospel of Thomas, and it's expanded from 1359 01:19:49.840 --> 01:19:51.880 just talking to people in wrestling is also in entertainment. 1360 01:19:52.159 --> 01:19:54.359 So we did a show with Annie Pacifico, wrestler who's 1361 01:19:54.399 --> 01:19:56.239 been in lots of horror movies with one of his 1362 01:19:56.399 --> 01:20:00.239 colleagues co workers, actress Amber Brook, and she's going to 1363 01:20:00.279 --> 01:20:02.439 come back on the Garden of Thought. And this week 1364 01:20:02.479 --> 01:20:06.239 we have a gentleman coming on, Matt Pravenza, who's working 1365 01:20:06.239 --> 01:20:08.359 on a moving out but he's also worked on Terrifyer 1366 01:20:08.439 --> 01:20:11.960 and stuff like that. So lots of fun stuff going 1367 01:20:11.960 --> 01:20:14.079 on there. And I haven't given up on the wrestler stuff, 1368 01:20:14.119 --> 01:20:17.359 and I haven't given up on PJ. I mean total 1369 01:20:17.399 --> 01:20:20.199 side story. But PJ is like trying to get me 1370 01:20:20.199 --> 01:20:22.159 to go within to Costa Rica, and I don't think 1371 01:20:22.159 --> 01:20:29.600 I can really afford to go to Coasta Ricaca stuff. Yeah, uh, no, no, 1372 01:20:29.640 --> 01:20:31.039 there's nothing to do with that. I would love to 1373 01:20:31.039 --> 01:20:35.479 go with gender morehall. I also don't know, being who 1374 01:20:35.520 --> 01:20:37.640 I am, that I can afford not to go just 1375 01:20:37.680 --> 01:20:39.560 because like it's a story for the rest of my life, 1376 01:20:39.560 --> 01:20:43.000 because like some of the boys are going, I don't 1377 01:20:43.039 --> 01:20:45.560 know who the boys are. And I think that the 1378 01:20:45.560 --> 01:20:47.600 first definition of not being one of the boys is 1379 01:20:47.600 --> 01:20:50.479 that you don't ask who the other boys are. But 1380 01:20:50.479 --> 01:20:52.600 apparently there's a test, there's a vetting test, so the 1381 01:20:52.760 --> 01:20:57.800 the shaman has to pass you first. So I have 1382 01:20:57.880 --> 01:21:01.760 not yet spoken to the shaman, so like the shaman 1383 01:21:01.880 --> 01:21:06.239 may not pass me. No, it's not. It's like a 1384 01:21:06.279 --> 01:21:11.159 shaman of like psychedelics, I would imagine, and spiritual enlightenment 1385 01:21:11.279 --> 01:21:14.800 and and and you know, and helping me reach my 1386 01:21:15.000 --> 01:21:17.119 spiritual awakening potential. 1387 01:21:19.640 --> 01:21:21.000 Is it all right if I do some plugs at 1388 01:21:21.000 --> 01:21:21.239 the end. 1389 01:21:21.199 --> 01:21:23.399 Of the baby. 1390 01:21:24.640 --> 01:21:26.159 The end of the show, do you listen to the show? 1391 01:21:26.159 --> 01:21:28.479 This is a free plug zone. And I plugged you 1392 01:21:28.479 --> 01:21:30.680 in the beginning as well, didn't I just don't know. 1393 01:21:31.239 --> 01:21:33.039 I got I gotta I got a list of people 1394 01:21:33.039 --> 01:21:33.720 I gotta plug. 1395 01:21:33.920 --> 01:21:37.000 No, no, we're not plugging every show. You plug your 1396 01:21:37.000 --> 01:21:37.399 own show. 1397 01:21:38.720 --> 01:21:41.720 Oh, come on there. Some of them are like, are 1398 01:21:41.760 --> 01:21:43.239 friends with us? Yeah? 1399 01:21:43.279 --> 01:21:45.239 Yea yeah, when when they have me on their shows, 1400 01:21:45.359 --> 01:21:49.079 I plugged their shows, so they have your show, right, 1401 01:21:49.119 --> 01:21:51.039 and I plugged them, And I've gone on their shows 1402 01:21:51.039 --> 01:21:52.520 and they plugged me. That that's how it works. I 1403 01:21:52.520 --> 01:21:55.479 don't need to list every goddamn show all day. 1404 01:21:56.359 --> 01:21:58.319 Shout out today, listen, you. 1405 01:21:58.319 --> 01:22:01.079 Just you just stick to hear the the three creatures here, 1406 01:22:01.199 --> 01:22:02.359 we're done with Wendy goes right. 1407 01:22:04.840 --> 01:22:06.560 No, I did a bad thing on the list. I 1408 01:22:06.560 --> 01:22:08.680 only did four because when I was gonna do five, 1409 01:22:08.760 --> 01:22:13.239 I crossed up genies, so I only did four. But okay, 1410 01:22:13.279 --> 01:22:14.199 we're doing good with this. 1411 01:22:14.479 --> 01:22:15.239 Well, what's your fourth? 1412 01:22:15.920 --> 01:22:21.039 Golm uh huh, cool, let's go. Let's go, Yes, golum baby, 1413 01:22:21.640 --> 01:22:30.840 this was probably shows. All your plugs are plugs. 1414 01:22:32.079 --> 01:22:33.640 We're both part of the Wrestling super. 1415 01:22:33.520 --> 01:22:36.800 Universe, hey, but only one of us is part of 1416 01:22:36.840 --> 01:22:38.720 the actual Wrestling Soup Network. 1417 01:22:38.479 --> 01:22:40.479 So I have no control over that. 1418 01:22:41.399 --> 01:22:43.760 I just busted balls and. 1419 01:22:43.680 --> 01:22:46.039 I and I assure you that's that's more because of 1420 01:22:46.079 --> 01:22:51.199 Lou than it is because of me. Yeah, I mean 1421 01:22:51.199 --> 01:22:53.199 one of us was. It was the wrestler for twenty 1422 01:22:53.199 --> 01:22:56.159 six years one of us sat on our ass most 1423 01:22:56.199 --> 01:23:01.840 of our lives. Guess who's who? Sorry? 1424 01:23:03.680 --> 01:23:06.359 The Golan is a creature formed out of a lifeless 1425 01:23:06.359 --> 01:23:10.560 substance such as dirt, dust, dirt or mud, and it 1426 01:23:10.640 --> 01:23:14.760 says also or earth. So I guess anything anything from 1427 01:23:14.840 --> 01:23:16.720 the earth, just as long as it's lifeless. But art, 1428 01:23:17.439 --> 01:23:19.279 I guess it couldn't be plants and stuff, because that's 1429 01:23:19.319 --> 01:23:21.720 what plants have life, So you have to stick to 1430 01:23:21.760 --> 01:23:23.640 the dirt and mud. 1431 01:23:25.479 --> 01:23:27.359 Is the swamp thing of golem. I mean, this is 1432 01:23:27.399 --> 01:23:29.640 an interesting philosophical arc debate we could have. 1433 01:23:30.439 --> 01:23:33.840 Ah this, I was kind of fascinating thinking about that. Yeah, 1434 01:23:33.840 --> 01:23:38.039 because when because there's two or three different golems, and 1435 01:23:38.479 --> 01:23:41.319 the one that I was most associated with is the 1436 01:23:41.319 --> 01:23:44.439 one from that famous German silent horror film from the 1437 01:23:45.600 --> 01:23:48.000 nineteen fifteen and nineteen twenties. You did a series of 1438 01:23:48.039 --> 01:23:51.159 three of them. You know that Golan film I'm talking 1439 01:23:51.199 --> 01:23:52.920 about is a silent you could watch for free on 1440 01:23:52.960 --> 01:23:55.399 YouTube if but he is curious, have you ever heard 1441 01:23:55.399 --> 01:23:58.199 of a movie called Golan from the nineteenth from nineteen fifteen? 1442 01:23:59.000 --> 01:23:59.880 I don't think so, sir. 1443 01:24:01.039 --> 01:24:05.760 Yeah, it's uh, it's basically uh so you get. So 1444 01:24:05.840 --> 01:24:09.640 this guy resurrects from an amulet. He resurrects a golm, 1445 01:24:09.800 --> 01:24:13.560 and the goldam falls in love with his daughter. I 1446 01:24:13.600 --> 01:24:15.159 think it is. I think it was his daughter who 1447 01:24:15.239 --> 01:24:17.680 was like a friend or something. And when the woman 1448 01:24:17.760 --> 01:24:20.199 refuses to return the love to the golam, he just 1449 01:24:20.239 --> 01:24:25.000 goes on like a murderous rampage. But it's a silent film, 1450 01:24:26.000 --> 01:24:29.319 so okay, Well, I mean, like I'm curious to see 1451 01:24:29.319 --> 01:24:32.000 those one day. Like most Faratu and Golden, like, you know, 1452 01:24:32.119 --> 01:24:35.159 silent films had their time. You know, it's gotta be 1453 01:24:35.159 --> 01:24:36.119 a little patient with them. 1454 01:24:37.119 --> 01:24:42.199 I mean, it's it's interesting that golams are made of 1455 01:24:42.239 --> 01:24:48.560 something that that's considered dead. It's not alive. However, Adam 1456 01:24:48.560 --> 01:24:52.000 and Eve were made from things, or at least Adam 1457 01:24:52.079 --> 01:24:54.960 was made from I think it's clay or dust. Yeah, 1458 01:24:55.119 --> 01:24:55.760 I don't know what. 1459 01:24:55.760 --> 01:24:58.039 I was mentioned in the research that I was doing. 1460 01:24:58.119 --> 01:25:06.479 Yeah, I mean in Norse, it was Elbe and asked 1461 01:25:06.800 --> 01:25:09.239 were the first people? And they were made out of driftwood, 1462 01:25:09.680 --> 01:25:13.840 so by by Odin and his two brothers. It's actually 1463 01:25:13.880 --> 01:25:16.640 that that story is pretty funny because Odin just makes them. 1464 01:25:16.640 --> 01:25:19.039 But basically, like a statues, He's like eh, and then 1465 01:25:19.039 --> 01:25:21.039 he gets bored and walks off. One of his brothers 1466 01:25:21.039 --> 01:25:24.239 I forgot their names, then gives them sort of sentience 1467 01:25:25.079 --> 01:25:27.680 or gives them the ability to move around, and he 1468 01:25:27.840 --> 01:25:29.520 and he gets bored and walks off, and then the 1469 01:25:29.520 --> 01:25:32.319 third brothers like, oh, that better make them think, and 1470 01:25:32.359 --> 01:25:34.920 so the third brother give they really think and walks out. 1471 01:25:34.960 --> 01:25:38.720 But also made of driftwood, and in the in the 1472 01:25:38.840 --> 01:25:41.960 Sumerian or Babylonian, I mean, I think it's largely the same. 1473 01:25:42.960 --> 01:25:46.439 So they were higher gods and lower gods, which is 1474 01:25:46.439 --> 01:25:51.239 nothing unusual at all. And at some point the lower 1475 01:25:51.279 --> 01:25:53.439 gods were working for the high gods, and the lower 1476 01:25:53.439 --> 01:25:54.960 gods are like, we're tired. 1477 01:25:54.760 --> 01:25:55.239 Of doing this. 1478 01:25:55.520 --> 01:25:58.119 So the how god said, fair enough, you know you've 1479 01:25:58.159 --> 01:26:00.319 done the hard work. You've built mountains and you old 1480 01:26:00.399 --> 01:26:03.560 seas and things like that, So how about this, why 1481 01:26:03.560 --> 01:26:06.720 don't you make even another lower class of gods, which 1482 01:26:06.760 --> 01:26:09.279 they did, and they would called the gig or a geggy. 1483 01:26:09.359 --> 01:26:14.960 It was eg e g I, and they revaulted at 1484 01:26:15.000 --> 01:26:17.159 some point after they're like, we don't want to do this, like, fine, 1485 01:26:17.239 --> 01:26:20.479 make something else. So basically out of dirt and clay 1486 01:26:20.479 --> 01:26:24.199 and whatever. They made humans to serve the gods and 1487 01:26:25.039 --> 01:26:30.800 or Dirk, right, and of course they made Dirk, of course, 1488 01:26:30.840 --> 01:26:34.439 who still lives amongst us today, who may in fact 1489 01:26:34.520 --> 01:26:37.319 be the last remaining Gollum. He might be the king 1490 01:26:37.359 --> 01:26:40.079 of the Gollums for all we know. Of course, Gollum 1491 01:26:40.159 --> 01:26:43.520 the name in Tolkien, No, I mean, maybe there's a 1492 01:26:43.600 --> 01:26:47.920 relationship to the name, but there's no relationship in the character. 1493 01:26:49.359 --> 01:26:53.479 And yeah, gollums are basically Frankenstein's but not made out 1494 01:26:53.479 --> 01:26:57.159 of dead organic materials. They're made out of inorganic materials 1495 01:26:57.199 --> 01:27:00.520 and rose to you know, Gollum of prop was there 1496 01:27:00.560 --> 01:27:03.439 to defend the Jewish people in the Jewishetto from from 1497 01:27:03.560 --> 01:27:06.399 their enemies. And the interesting thing about the Gollum of 1498 01:27:06.439 --> 01:27:09.520 Prague was on I'll just say his head. I guess 1499 01:27:09.520 --> 01:27:14.199 it's a hey was the Hebrew word for either truth 1500 01:27:14.560 --> 01:27:16.359 or death, and I can't remember which one it is. 1501 01:27:16.399 --> 01:27:20.840 It's sort of important because when you when you erased 1502 01:27:21.720 --> 01:27:24.520 the first letter and you cook because he's made of 1503 01:27:25.159 --> 01:27:27.439 mud or whatever, and you could you could erased the 1504 01:27:27.479 --> 01:27:31.319 word and when you raise the first letter, if it 1505 01:27:31.359 --> 01:27:33.600 was death, now it became truth. If it was truth, 1506 01:27:33.640 --> 01:27:35.880 then it became death. So I'm going to guess that 1507 01:27:35.960 --> 01:27:38.840 it was truth and then you erased it and death 1508 01:27:38.880 --> 01:27:41.800 and then you know, sort of like the fiend with 1509 01:27:41.880 --> 01:27:45.359 his you know, heal and hert gloves, you know, or 1510 01:27:45.399 --> 01:27:48.319 how I wanted them to be that once you unleash 1511 01:27:47.720 --> 01:27:52.039 the death mode in the gollum, that enacted the death. 1512 01:27:52.319 --> 01:27:54.520 But I'm not sure if I have that right. But 1513 01:27:55.880 --> 01:27:57.960 I know the part about the letters, I just don't 1514 01:27:57.960 --> 01:28:01.600 know which was the word before you wiped off the 1515 01:28:01.600 --> 01:28:04.720 first letter. But I thought that was a very interesting thing, 1516 01:28:04.760 --> 01:28:08.520 and that doesn't you know, And you know, I don't 1517 01:28:08.560 --> 01:28:12.239 know if the origin came from people recognize that the 1518 01:28:12.239 --> 01:28:15.640 Hebrew words that you could do that, or if the 1519 01:28:15.680 --> 01:28:19.720 legend predated that, because I mean, Hebrew is a very 1520 01:28:19.920 --> 01:28:22.119 old language, and the Hebrew we know now is not, 1521 01:28:22.840 --> 01:28:27.680 you know, old Hebrew, and that's not proto Hebrew, and 1522 01:28:27.880 --> 01:28:32.520 you know, proto Hebrew actually took the their alphabet from Aramaic, 1523 01:28:32.560 --> 01:28:38.479 which is even older, which is weird. Side note about Aramaic. 1524 01:28:39.680 --> 01:28:43.560 Aramaic was one of the most used languages of the time. 1525 01:28:43.640 --> 01:28:46.079 But the interesting thing is Aramic was not the language 1526 01:28:46.079 --> 01:28:48.680 of the conquerors. It was the language of the conquered. 1527 01:28:49.079 --> 01:28:51.880 So while the Akkadians and the Babylonians and the Persians 1528 01:28:51.920 --> 01:28:55.479 and even the Israelites and all sorts of other people, 1529 01:28:55.520 --> 01:29:01.439 the Assyrians hip flights were conquerors. Aramaic, the langue was 1530 01:29:01.479 --> 01:29:05.960 the lingua franca of the people, So it's interesting that 1531 01:29:05.960 --> 01:29:13.800 that's the language that survived, you know. Anyway, that's my 1532 01:29:13.840 --> 01:29:17.800 little interesting Arabics. I not, but I don't have much 1533 01:29:17.880 --> 01:29:20.920 else to add about the Gollum except the people often. 1534 01:29:20.720 --> 01:29:22.439 So I got a bunch. 1535 01:29:23.720 --> 01:29:26.840 But Frank I was the man playing god. This was 1536 01:29:26.880 --> 01:29:31.560 sort of like Jewish mystical magic, like c k at 1537 01:29:31.560 --> 01:29:35.119 the end, but I'm not but that's more Kabbalistic, which 1538 01:29:35.159 --> 01:29:38.840 is more like Middle Ages, like you know, tenth century 1539 01:29:39.239 --> 01:29:44.039 CE to thirteenth century CE and going forward. Obviously, if 1540 01:29:44.079 --> 01:29:47.079 it's written in the Bible, it was older than that. 1541 01:29:47.119 --> 01:29:50.119 So I'm not sure if it's a magical thing or 1542 01:29:50.159 --> 01:29:52.479 it's a God did it thing. 1543 01:29:54.560 --> 01:29:57.840 When s creatures are always brought together by rituals and letters. 1544 01:29:58.319 --> 01:29:59.680 Well that sounds like magic to me. 1545 01:30:00.840 --> 01:30:05.079 Give a nation, so yeah, you gotta, and that's how 1546 01:30:05.079 --> 01:30:08.039 it summon and it becomes a helper or a companion 1547 01:30:09.000 --> 01:30:14.479 and or a rescue of an imperial Jewish community. Originally, 1548 01:30:14.600 --> 01:30:16.239 creating a golden was a scene as a way to 1549 01:30:16.239 --> 01:30:19.960 get closer to God. That's why people were doing it. Well, 1550 01:30:20.399 --> 01:30:23.560 not everybody was doing it, but they were doing it. 1551 01:30:24.760 --> 01:30:27.840 They're in two verses of the Bible Psalms Psalm one 1552 01:30:27.960 --> 01:30:30.359 thirty nine. And I didn't write down these verses, by 1553 01:30:30.359 --> 01:30:39.039 the way, but in a I'm prepared, I know ship. 1554 01:30:39.119 --> 01:30:41.439 I only wrote freaking almost six pages of notes. 1555 01:30:41.760 --> 01:30:45.840 It's someday and I write a singer Psalm come on. 1556 01:30:48.079 --> 01:30:52.600 And he's also in perky avat five five point nine 1557 01:30:52.760 --> 01:30:57.119 or five er. How do you say this word? It's 1558 01:30:57.159 --> 01:31:00.479 p I P I r K E I I and 1559 01:31:00.479 --> 01:31:04.359 then of a V O T and then five nine. 1560 01:31:06.000 --> 01:31:06.359 The five. 1561 01:31:07.319 --> 01:31:09.159 I should have wrote him down because anyone in there. 1562 01:31:10.079 --> 01:31:14.039 I don't know. We'll go a perky at. That's I'm 1563 01:31:14.039 --> 01:31:16.640 sure somewhere that someone out there knows what it is. 1564 01:31:16.680 --> 01:31:17.760 I am not that someone. 1565 01:31:18.560 --> 01:31:23.560 Yes, And he was also okay. This is another reason 1566 01:31:23.560 --> 01:31:25.880 why I think I only know there's more the version 1567 01:31:25.880 --> 01:31:30.520 of Golam that looks like stone because of the movie 1568 01:31:30.520 --> 01:31:32.479 is the silent movie. And then I don't know if 1569 01:31:32.520 --> 01:31:35.199 you ever saw the Treehouse a horror episode where they 1570 01:31:35.520 --> 01:31:38.079 Barre had a golm. I think it was Bart had a. 1571 01:31:38.079 --> 01:31:43.239 Gold Okay, so like like a lot of us. I 1572 01:31:43.439 --> 01:31:47.079 I mean to me, a golam is somewhere between the 1573 01:31:47.119 --> 01:31:49.920 Sandman from Spider Man when he's in a human form and 1574 01:31:49.960 --> 01:31:51.399 the thing from the Fantastic Floor. 1575 01:31:52.079 --> 01:31:54.479 That's a good way of putting it. Yeah, it's definitely 1576 01:31:54.479 --> 01:31:59.800 a good way of put it, for sure. And then 1577 01:32:00.560 --> 01:32:02.840 it seems they also have the Gin like qualities or 1578 01:32:03.159 --> 01:32:06.439 no that gin, but like Genie like qualities where they 1579 01:32:06.479 --> 01:32:08.880 have to be subservient to whoever summons them. 1580 01:32:09.760 --> 01:32:13.279 Right, Yes, they definitely serve their master, sort of like 1581 01:32:13.359 --> 01:32:18.359 the the whether the Sorcerer's Apprentice. I mean that that's 1582 01:32:18.720 --> 01:32:20.640 it's sort of the same. So Frankenstein as that story, 1583 01:32:20.680 --> 01:32:22.960 the Galama is that story. It's it's like, you know, 1584 01:32:23.000 --> 01:32:26.680 when when you when you screw with magic, when you 1585 01:32:26.680 --> 01:32:28.680 play with magic, you better know what you're doing because 1586 01:32:28.680 --> 01:32:31.880 if you don't, it's it's it's it's more powerful, you know, 1587 01:32:32.439 --> 01:32:35.359 letting loose power 'es basically the theme of the movie 1588 01:32:35.399 --> 01:32:36.319 Oppenheimer as well. 1589 01:32:37.439 --> 01:32:40.239 No great movie. You stn't seen that, By the way, home. 1590 01:32:41.600 --> 01:32:44.279 How do you know that? Byselvin's seen it because we 1591 01:32:44.319 --> 01:32:47.880 were movie talk when Halt Richard Holiday put up a 1592 01:32:47.880 --> 01:32:51.000 post about Christopher Nolan movies. 1593 01:32:51.800 --> 01:32:52.600 It was weeks ago. 1594 01:32:53.359 --> 01:32:54.600 Yeah, I want to remember it. 1595 01:32:55.239 --> 01:32:58.680 By the way, Richard Holiday, who refuses to interact with 1596 01:32:58.720 --> 01:33:00.840 me even though he did a few years ago, because 1597 01:33:00.840 --> 01:33:02.279 I used to give him grief. He used to call 1598 01:33:02.359 --> 01:33:05.079 himself the solbro prietor, and I'm like, and you know 1599 01:33:05.119 --> 01:33:07.840 his his his whole thing is that my father lawyer. 1600 01:33:08.279 --> 01:33:10.560 And they're like he would always say my attorney and 1601 01:33:10.560 --> 01:33:12.760 they're like, it's your dad. He's like my father lawyer 1602 01:33:12.920 --> 01:33:15.159 that was, And he called himself the solber prietor. I'm like, 1603 01:33:16.000 --> 01:33:18.840 why your father lawyer would be very disappointed. You should 1604 01:33:18.840 --> 01:33:20.960 be an LLC, should be a limited liability coming now 1605 01:33:20.960 --> 01:33:24.079 a solid proprietorship. Why would you want this liability? He's like, 1606 01:33:24.680 --> 01:33:27.079 He's like, sole proprietor is more marketable. And I'm thinking 1607 01:33:27.079 --> 01:33:30.840 to myself, why sol proprietor more marketable than LLC or 1608 01:33:30.880 --> 01:33:35.560 limited liability? Limited liability? Richard Holiday sounds better than soul proprietor. 1609 01:33:35.600 --> 01:33:38.479 Richard Holiday. But anyway, rumor has it that he might 1610 01:33:38.600 --> 01:33:41.239 be signed by W W E. So clearly he knows 1611 01:33:41.239 --> 01:33:41.880 better than I do. 1612 01:33:43.119 --> 01:33:47.199 Yeah, I just watch out for that id stuff because. 1613 01:33:47.880 --> 01:33:50.520 Richard, I remember you. I remember you when. 1614 01:33:53.359 --> 01:33:55.159 Jeff Canna before they were famous. 1615 01:33:56.479 --> 01:33:59.800 Right, so many people I've been left in the dust 1616 01:33:59.840 --> 01:34:00.880 by so many people. 1617 01:34:01.199 --> 01:34:01.720 Don't worry. 1618 01:34:01.760 --> 01:34:03.720 And you know what, when they fall back down again, 1619 01:34:03.760 --> 01:34:05.359 you know who they're gonna remember properly. 1620 01:34:06.640 --> 01:34:08.520 Well, see, it only took one for me. I wasn't 1621 01:34:08.520 --> 01:34:11.920 gonna go through that again. I was like one done here. 1622 01:34:13.039 --> 01:34:14.399 You have way more patience than I do. 1623 01:34:14.479 --> 01:34:18.199 Jeff, No, Sean, I mean I do not. I don't 1624 01:34:18.239 --> 01:34:20.199 have more patient Well I do you have, some Russians? 1625 01:34:20.199 --> 01:34:21.239 So I have an. 1626 01:34:21.319 --> 01:34:21.720 I have an. 1627 01:34:21.800 --> 01:34:25.600 I have an endless repositor or reservoir for suffering. But 1628 01:34:25.640 --> 01:34:28.000 the other thing about me is that I don't learn 1629 01:34:28.199 --> 01:34:32.680 from my mistakes uniformly because I also suffer from hubris, 1630 01:34:32.680 --> 01:34:34.760 and I don't think it's gonna happen to me, even 1631 01:34:34.760 --> 01:34:38.279 though many variations of it has happened to me and 1632 01:34:38.359 --> 01:34:42.119 continue to happen to me. So basically, I'm an idiot. 1633 01:34:42.479 --> 01:34:45.600 So you're goutting for punishment, as they say. 1634 01:34:47.359 --> 01:34:52.439 Except I hate punishment. But yeah, I'm self destructive. 1635 01:34:52.560 --> 01:34:56.680 You know, you're that dog that gets but keeps coming back. 1636 01:34:57.359 --> 01:35:00.520 As Tony Soprano said to doctor Melfie, are all our 1637 01:35:00.800 --> 01:35:01.840 own worst enemy. 1638 01:35:02.560 --> 01:35:05.039 Yeah, oh, don't even get me started on doctor Milfie. 1639 01:35:05.079 --> 01:35:06.760 Oh hey, no, hey. 1640 01:35:07.439 --> 01:35:08.680 My bad. Back to Gollums. 1641 01:35:09.399 --> 01:35:13.039 I've been running through sopranos lately. By the So, we 1642 01:35:13.119 --> 01:35:15.159 have a gold. We have a Polish version of the 1643 01:35:15.159 --> 01:35:20.960 Golum that was uh, it's called the golll c h 1644 01:35:21.079 --> 01:35:26.159 E l c h E l M made of I wish, 1645 01:35:26.279 --> 01:35:29.239 but it was summoned by Elijahell. 1646 01:35:29.079 --> 01:35:33.319 Oh, okay, that's not Elijah the Prophet, a different Elijah. 1647 01:35:33.520 --> 01:35:35.680 And it's not walk with Elijah from TNA either. 1648 01:35:36.680 --> 01:35:42.079 No, no, certainly not not Elijah Burke the Pope. 1649 01:35:41.920 --> 01:35:45.600 The Angelo de Niro. And then this one I didn't 1650 01:35:45.680 --> 01:35:49.880 uh oh, this one you kind of covered the Gold 1651 01:35:49.920 --> 01:35:53.039 of Prague. It's a praguer Prague. I think you said pro. 1652 01:35:53.159 --> 01:35:55.920 It's but go ahead and say say what you have 1653 01:35:56.000 --> 01:35:57.560 this You probably you actually took notes on it. 1654 01:35:57.560 --> 01:35:59.399 I'm just going from well, just basically I wrote down 1655 01:35:59.439 --> 01:36:02.880 it was created down of clay in the Batavian the 1656 01:36:03.399 --> 01:36:07.000 bit of Batavian beat no v I t a v 1657 01:36:07.199 --> 01:36:11.600 a bit of Van River, which is one of the last. Yeah. 1658 01:36:13.760 --> 01:36:15.880 Yeah. The only reason I know that is because I 1659 01:36:15.880 --> 01:36:18.760 got it wrong on a trivia question today last night 1660 01:36:18.800 --> 01:36:20.359 on YouTube. I thought it was. 1661 01:36:23.279 --> 01:36:25.000 So it's a two hundred This is this blew my 1662 01:36:25.000 --> 01:36:26.439 mind because I didn't know. But the two hundred and 1663 01:36:26.439 --> 01:36:27.560 sixty eight mile long river. 1664 01:36:29.800 --> 01:36:32.159 There's a lot that. There's a lot of rivers in Europe. 1665 01:36:32.159 --> 01:36:33.439 That's why there's all these cities. 1666 01:36:34.239 --> 01:36:37.239 Yeah, well, I go. I was talking to my buddy yesterday. 1667 01:36:37.279 --> 01:36:38.880 I was like, I'm so jealous, like of Europe and 1668 01:36:38.920 --> 01:36:41.720 other countries, like yeah, we got oh yeah, cool, we 1669 01:36:41.760 --> 01:36:44.800 got what the Empire state Building and the Statue of 1670 01:36:44.840 --> 01:36:47.199 Liberty and like all this thing over there. They got 1671 01:36:47.239 --> 01:36:49.880 freaking cathedrals and freaking like things in the brounds. Is 1672 01:36:49.920 --> 01:36:53.960 the the fifteen hundreds of sixteen hundreds even before then, 1673 01:36:54.079 --> 01:36:56.880 like a stuff that hasn't been touched. 1674 01:36:57.039 --> 01:36:59.760 Well so well, so to wait, it's just you have 1675 01:36:59.840 --> 01:37:02.600 to go to Hope Well and Cahokia and places like 1676 01:37:02.640 --> 01:37:05.640 that to see what what are trivially called the mounds, 1677 01:37:05.640 --> 01:37:10.760 but they're not mounds. They're they're giant earthworks. They're basically pyramids. Yeah, 1678 01:37:10.840 --> 01:37:13.840 so we have lots of cool stuff here as well. 1679 01:37:13.920 --> 01:37:18.039 And if you just go down to Meso American South America, 1680 01:37:18.119 --> 01:37:23.239 you got Taylor Teklon and and all and Macha Pico 1681 01:37:23.399 --> 01:37:26.199 and just like there's there's so much stuff down there. 1682 01:37:26.239 --> 01:37:30.680 So every place has its stuff. But yeah, obviously in 1683 01:37:30.720 --> 01:37:33.000 Europe there's more things. They're near and dear to our 1684 01:37:33.039 --> 01:37:36.680 hearts because we were raised on European history, so. 1685 01:37:36.920 --> 01:37:42.319 You know, and you know, brothers of Europe. Right now, 1686 01:37:42.319 --> 01:37:43.960 you got to spend a week in you have to 1687 01:37:43.960 --> 01:37:46.279 spend a week in Paris, and then you got to 1688 01:37:46.279 --> 01:37:47.399 do two weeks in Armenia. 1689 01:37:48.359 --> 01:37:51.399 All right, very cool, all right, so what well, there's 1690 01:37:51.880 --> 01:37:55.000 the little problem the Gola of Chiulm do. 1691 01:37:57.479 --> 01:37:59.439 I wish I knew what the Golam did and I 1692 01:37:59.479 --> 01:38:02.039 stopped by us for some reason. Why did I do that? Jeff? 1693 01:38:03.159 --> 01:38:04.800 You fell asleep. It's all the beer. 1694 01:38:06.880 --> 01:38:10.239 No, I can't drink this early, like you said, Well, 1695 01:38:10.239 --> 01:38:13.840 I don't know when you took the notes. Yeah, yeah, 1696 01:38:13.880 --> 01:38:16.680 oh that is that is good. Well these notes I 1697 01:38:16.720 --> 01:38:18.960 saved Golm for last, so these were last, and that's 1698 01:38:18.960 --> 01:38:21.079 why these ones have a little bit less. But I 1699 01:38:21.119 --> 01:38:24.199 will close and say that they have appeared in sixteen 1700 01:38:24.239 --> 01:38:27.359 works of TV and movies, including like I said, Simpsons, 1701 01:38:27.640 --> 01:38:31.720 they have their own movie silent movies. And then about 1702 01:38:31.760 --> 01:38:36.720 set fifteen works of literature. And then this was an 1703 01:38:36.800 --> 01:38:41.279 interesting note. I found the creators of Marvel. The comic 1704 01:38:41.279 --> 01:38:43.079 guy's Jack Kirby and the other guy like it on 1705 01:38:43.119 --> 01:38:47.119 his name actually said captain America is a form. It's 1706 01:38:47.159 --> 01:38:50.239 like his own. It is like a Golan. He's like 1707 01:38:50.239 --> 01:38:51.439 a Golan. He said. 1708 01:38:54.079 --> 01:38:55.399 Okay, I mean. 1709 01:38:55.960 --> 01:38:58.600 They didn't get into detail the like what I saw 1710 01:38:58.640 --> 01:39:01.880 and was like a little reference, So they I didn't get. 1711 01:39:02.000 --> 01:39:05.039 Maybe maybe they went in a deeper detail as to 1712 01:39:05.119 --> 01:39:07.159 why I just saw a very little short answer. 1713 01:39:08.079 --> 01:39:13.359 Okay, creature of man, I suppose. I mean they were 1714 01:39:13.359 --> 01:39:17.199 both Jews, so they were probably uh, you know, influenced 1715 01:39:17.199 --> 01:39:21.359 by you know, the Jewish superhero or or you know 1716 01:39:21.399 --> 01:39:28.840 the Gollum. Yeah, Samson wasn't available, you know, sort of 1717 01:39:29.359 --> 01:39:34.359 Jewish hercules as sleeping with the enemy. Literally all right, 1718 01:39:35.119 --> 01:39:37.640 all right, since you went to four and I went 1719 01:39:37.680 --> 01:39:42.159 to six, I'm gonna do short on my fifth, which 1720 01:39:42.199 --> 01:39:45.800 is cracking. And I mostly picked cracking for one reason 1721 01:39:45.800 --> 01:39:50.159 because most people know tracking from the class of the 1722 01:39:50.760 --> 01:39:55.600 or class of the Titans movies uh which are Greek mythology. 1723 01:39:55.920 --> 01:39:58.960 The cracking is by no means from Greek mythology. They 1724 01:39:58.960 --> 01:40:06.319 imported the kracking from Norse mythology and Northern European mythologies. 1725 01:40:06.680 --> 01:40:10.640 The kraken is a giant squid. It's not like, you 1726 01:40:10.680 --> 01:40:13.399 know that the sort of beasts that they made. The 1727 01:40:13.439 --> 01:40:16.399 only similarity is is that lives in water, and that 1728 01:40:16.479 --> 01:40:19.079 it has sort of the beak, which is what an 1729 01:40:19.159 --> 01:40:22.840 archatucis has, which you know, you know, giant squid, squids 1730 01:40:22.880 --> 01:40:26.239 have beaks, you know, with with you know, their version 1731 01:40:26.279 --> 01:40:30.960 of so you know. Also the kraken and was the 1732 01:40:31.000 --> 01:40:34.760 Sigal and then the spirit animal of the the Iron 1733 01:40:34.800 --> 01:40:38.760 Islands in Game of Thrones where theon gray Joy was from. 1734 01:40:39.399 --> 01:40:43.079 They would say, you know, their whole thing was, yeah, 1735 01:40:43.119 --> 01:40:45.600 that which is dead could not cannot be killed, you know, 1736 01:40:45.680 --> 01:40:49.239 so sort of a little immortality thing there as well. 1737 01:40:51.520 --> 01:40:55.439 And of course the sigal was the with the tentacles 1738 01:40:55.479 --> 01:40:58.439 going in in you know, the directions in the spin wheel, 1739 01:40:58.439 --> 01:41:01.000 which is sort of a turn been a sign of 1740 01:41:01.399 --> 01:41:05.119 fertility in the cycle of life. So that's why I 1741 01:41:05.119 --> 01:41:06.800 have on krakens I don't know if you want, I 1742 01:41:06.880 --> 01:41:09.439 think to add from that's unfair. 1743 01:41:10.039 --> 01:41:14.000 Yep, the big one that makes sense because like I 1744 01:41:14.000 --> 01:41:16.359 didn't think all swim and now that makes im thinking 1745 01:41:16.359 --> 01:41:18.319 of that Pokemon squid and head of the beak, and 1746 01:41:18.680 --> 01:41:22.239 I always wondered why, Yeah, that's pretty cool. And then 1747 01:41:22.279 --> 01:41:27.399 I know the Seattle hockey team cracking. I know hockey. 1748 01:41:27.560 --> 01:41:29.800 I'm not even make hockey guy, but the crack, it's 1749 01:41:29.840 --> 01:41:32.600 just a when you hear the cracking, you know, cracking, 1750 01:41:32.760 --> 01:41:34.039 like you said, at least the cracking. 1751 01:41:34.680 --> 01:41:37.439 Like I always say, I'm a wrestling fan. I don't 1752 01:41:37.439 --> 01:41:38.239 watch sports. 1753 01:41:38.600 --> 01:41:42.640 Oh no, hang on, you're that special wrestling fan. You're 1754 01:41:42.640 --> 01:41:45.560 that wrestling fan that says he doesn't watch it all, 1755 01:41:45.800 --> 01:41:47.520 even though you kind of watch it. 1756 01:41:48.720 --> 01:41:50.840 No, I don't watch sports. I didn't watch a single 1757 01:41:50.880 --> 01:41:52.000 second of the World Cup. 1758 01:41:52.319 --> 01:41:54.039 No, no, I said, you want to know that you're 1759 01:41:54.039 --> 01:41:56.199 a wrestling fan that says you don't watch it, but 1760 01:41:56.279 --> 01:41:57.279 you kind of do watch it. 1761 01:41:57.560 --> 01:42:00.520 Watch wrestling. I watched way too much wrestling, but I 1762 01:42:00.640 --> 01:42:03.399 often will fast forward through the middle parts of match, 1763 01:42:03.520 --> 01:42:05.640 Like I don't watch wrestling for the wrestling for the 1764 01:42:05.680 --> 01:42:08.439 most part. It's like to me, it's the least interesting 1765 01:42:08.479 --> 01:42:13.000 part of wrestling. I mean just I mean, listen, if 1766 01:42:13.039 --> 01:42:16.920 The Avengers was all fighting, it would be it would 1767 01:42:16.920 --> 01:42:20.119 be a boring movie. The Avengers is interesting. Who care 1768 01:42:20.159 --> 01:42:21.760 about the characters in the stories? So then when the 1769 01:42:21.760 --> 01:42:25.279 fights are there, they're important. And that's why I feel 1770 01:42:25.279 --> 01:42:27.479 about wrestling. So unless it's an important fight, I'm not 1771 01:42:27.479 --> 01:42:29.760 particularly interested in it. I mean, I like to know 1772 01:42:29.800 --> 01:42:32.600 who wins and loses and how and whatever, but I mean, 1773 01:42:33.279 --> 01:42:36.920 I've seen it all before fifty times by now, I've 1774 01:42:36.920 --> 01:42:42.720 been watching wrestling for fifty years plus, so it's not 1775 01:42:42.760 --> 01:42:44.920 like they're showing me anything new. And if they're showing 1776 01:42:44.920 --> 01:42:47.359 me something new, it's probably something stupid that they shouldn't 1777 01:42:47.359 --> 01:42:51.760 be doing. So anyway, that's neither here nor this. So 1778 01:42:52.000 --> 01:42:55.159 my last creature is the Cyclops, and the plural of 1779 01:42:55.239 --> 01:43:02.399 Cyclops is psychopies, but singular is In fact, Cyclops is 1780 01:43:02.479 --> 01:43:07.039 considered a giant, but it's a special kind of giant 1781 01:43:08.000 --> 01:43:10.680 depending on which story you go by, I mean, not 1782 01:43:10.840 --> 01:43:14.760 every story. The Cyclopes are Poseidon's children, so they're demigods 1783 01:43:15.159 --> 01:43:21.399 as well, but the actual giants in Greek mythology are 1784 01:43:21.439 --> 01:43:24.159 actually an entirely different race. And actually in the movie 1785 01:43:24.199 --> 01:43:27.239 The Assi, there's there's some giants in that are other 1786 01:43:27.279 --> 01:43:31.399 than the Cyclopes. But in the creation story, the giants 1787 01:43:31.399 --> 01:43:35.800 were were created the same time as the Olympians. Accidentally 1788 01:43:35.880 --> 01:43:39.000 they were all, you know, created by the castration of 1789 01:43:39.000 --> 01:43:45.880 of Urinus. Actually the giants were created before the Olympians. 1790 01:43:46.119 --> 01:43:49.640 In this regard, they were created, they were the Olympians 1791 01:43:49.960 --> 01:43:54.640 sort of were the children of the Titans. Though Aphrodite 1792 01:43:55.359 --> 01:43:57.760 was created at this time. Even though she's considered Olympians, 1793 01:43:57.800 --> 01:44:03.439 she's she's early, you're in the retold chronology, but she's 1794 01:44:03.439 --> 01:44:06.880 actually an import of more Eastern guards. God's like a 1795 01:44:08.039 --> 01:44:18.720 start and ishtar. So it's strange, so like retrofit anyway. 1796 01:44:19.520 --> 01:44:22.600 In some cases there's only three of them, three brothers, uh. 1797 01:44:22.920 --> 01:44:29.800 And they are probably most famous from the Odyssey, Polythemus 1798 01:44:30.199 --> 01:44:33.720 being the Cyclops in question that you know, sort of 1799 01:44:33.800 --> 01:44:39.000 traps Odysseus's men of course, because men were violating hospitality, 1800 01:44:39.000 --> 01:44:42.359 which is a lot of what the Odyssey is about. Frankly, 1801 01:44:42.399 --> 01:44:45.119 it's a lot of what the Old Testament is about. 1802 01:44:45.640 --> 01:44:48.439 The rules of hospitality seem to be more important than 1803 01:44:49.079 --> 01:44:52.640 most other rules in lots of ancient tomes including more 1804 01:44:52.680 --> 01:44:56.279 important than like protecting your wives and daughters and friends 1805 01:44:56.319 --> 01:45:01.279 and shit like that. Kind of weird, but I guess 1806 01:45:01.319 --> 01:45:03.319 not if you understand that it's always a state of 1807 01:45:03.319 --> 01:45:09.000 warfare and the world was patriarchal and everybody was property. 1808 01:45:09.800 --> 01:45:12.960 Uh anyway, a little bit of a side there, anyway. 1809 01:45:13.920 --> 01:45:17.119 One eye, that's that's you know, Cyclops from the X Men. 1810 01:45:17.319 --> 01:45:19.720 You know, he's got his visor, you know, so it 1811 01:45:19.720 --> 01:45:24.279 looks like he's only got one giant eye. And uh, 1812 01:45:25.960 --> 01:45:34.079 they're not so smart. And you know, famously Odysseus sharpman's 1813 01:45:34.119 --> 01:45:36.319 a stick and he and his men, after a few 1814 01:45:36.319 --> 01:45:39.239 of them get eaten again cannibals, they will not cannibals 1815 01:45:39.239 --> 01:45:41.960 because they're demi gods. Though Odysseus was a demi god, 1816 01:45:42.000 --> 01:45:46.039 his men were men. Stab him the eye, blind him. 1817 01:45:46.359 --> 01:45:48.680 But he's still They still can't move the rock at 1818 01:45:48.720 --> 01:45:54.520 the cave. And every day Polythemous opens up the cave 1819 01:45:54.640 --> 01:45:57.960 to let his sheep out to graizeh pastor, and every 1820 01:45:58.039 --> 01:45:59.560 night he brings them back in and he closes the 1821 01:45:59.640 --> 01:46:01.159 rock behind him, and all the men can't move, but 1822 01:46:01.199 --> 01:46:04.800 they try as they might. And even though Odysseus is 1823 01:46:04.840 --> 01:46:07.479 a demi god and very strong. He's not nearly that strong. 1824 01:46:08.880 --> 01:46:11.399 He's like a couple of generations. He's like a semi 1825 01:46:11.439 --> 01:46:13.560 water down demi good. I think both of his parents 1826 01:46:13.560 --> 01:46:17.000 are mostly human. He's not like Hercules, where like you know, 1827 01:46:17.119 --> 01:46:21.800 Zeus is his dad, and which is probably why he 1828 01:46:21.880 --> 01:46:26.079 had why he's the center of the story there, because 1829 01:46:26.119 --> 01:46:30.039 he's probably the closest demigod to men out of all 1830 01:46:30.079 --> 01:46:34.359 the Greek heroes. But that's just my take on it 1831 01:46:34.920 --> 01:46:39.920 as an amateur. Anyway, the way they without getting too 1832 01:46:40.279 --> 01:46:45.520 long into it, he's not so smart. The Cyclops ass 1833 01:46:45.920 --> 01:46:49.840 Odysseus's name. Odysseus says, it's my name is no one. 1834 01:46:50.600 --> 01:46:50.720 Uh. 1835 01:46:51.000 --> 01:46:55.079 And in furtherance, the plan that they hatch after losing 1836 01:46:55.159 --> 01:46:58.600 about five or six guys to being the meal for 1837 01:46:59.199 --> 01:47:03.560 probably famous is when the when the Cyclops opens the 1838 01:47:03.560 --> 01:47:07.840 cave door, the men all go on the undersides of 1839 01:47:07.880 --> 01:47:10.279 the sheep hang on. I guess these sheep are very 1840 01:47:10.279 --> 01:47:13.279 big because you know, like they're megafauna or they're you know, 1841 01:47:13.319 --> 01:47:17.000 their demi god sheep that they need to feed the Cyclops. 1842 01:47:17.079 --> 01:47:20.680 And anyway, as the Cyclops touches all the sheep as 1843 01:47:20.720 --> 01:47:22.479 they go out he's only touching the top of them, 1844 01:47:22.800 --> 01:47:25.319 and doesn't you know, realize that there's men hanging out 1845 01:47:25.319 --> 01:47:28.079 from underneath. So that's how I escape. And when the 1846 01:47:29.199 --> 01:47:33.079 when the Cyclops realizes it, he's crying out, and his 1847 01:47:33.159 --> 01:47:36.239 brother's like, what's wrong? Who hurt you? And and poly 1848 01:47:36.279 --> 01:47:39.199 Famous yells, no one has hurt me, no one has 1849 01:47:39.239 --> 01:47:42.560 blinded me. So his brother's like, well, we don't need 1850 01:47:42.600 --> 01:47:45.159 to come help him. And in the escape, of course, 1851 01:47:45.159 --> 01:47:48.039 Odysseus because he has hubris and pride and because he's 1852 01:47:48.079 --> 01:47:50.279 a hero and needs and needs his name to live 1853 01:47:50.319 --> 01:47:54.600 in glorious infamy, you know, as they're sailing away, he says, 1854 01:47:55.560 --> 01:47:58.359 I am Odysseus, king of Ithaca. I am the one 1855 01:47:58.399 --> 01:48:01.920 who escaped you, and follow your place. So of course 1856 01:48:01.960 --> 01:48:04.920 that leads Polythemous to run the dad and give the 1857 01:48:04.960 --> 01:48:09.359 proper name and Poseidon, you know, Ops, to make Odysseus's 1858 01:48:09.680 --> 01:48:12.640 life a living hell. Yes, it's been such a joy 1859 01:48:12.760 --> 01:48:15.960 up until that point. So that's the most famous Cyclops 1860 01:48:15.960 --> 01:48:18.880 story I am aware of. I know, the Cyclops appeared 1861 01:48:18.880 --> 01:48:22.680 in a bunch of sinbad movies. Again, probably an import 1862 01:48:23.199 --> 01:48:26.760 you know, just story wise into that. I can't think 1863 01:48:26.760 --> 01:48:32.319 of any other place where there's been a Cyclops per se. 1864 01:48:34.800 --> 01:48:37.640 Wasn't there a Cyclops in the movie Jason and the Agarnauts. 1865 01:48:38.119 --> 01:48:41.600 Yeah, but Jason the Argonauts is also in the Greek world, 1866 01:48:43.000 --> 01:48:46.600 so yeah, and they too were going on an epic 1867 01:48:46.720 --> 01:48:51.079 voyage to on a quest, and it was the hero's question. 1868 01:48:51.279 --> 01:48:55.079 Jason the Argonauts takes place like well before the Trojan 1869 01:48:55.119 --> 01:48:59.439 War is supposed to. Like the timeline in Greek stories 1870 01:48:59.720 --> 01:49:05.159 is not of particular importance except Hercules was on the Argonauts. 1871 01:49:05.159 --> 01:49:09.640 On Hercules was either long dead or long achieved apatheosis 1872 01:49:10.560 --> 01:49:14.359 by the time the Trojan War took place. And of 1873 01:49:14.359 --> 01:49:17.319 course the Trojan War was you know, told for one 1874 01:49:17.359 --> 01:49:21.079 hundreds of years, but written for by Homer. Most people 1875 01:49:21.119 --> 01:49:24.439 think between twenty eight hundred and twenty six hundred BC, 1876 01:49:24.840 --> 01:49:32.119 so not twenty eight hundred I think eight hundred and 1877 01:49:32.159 --> 01:49:34.159 six hundred BC, so like twenty eight hundred years ago, 1878 01:49:34.239 --> 01:49:38.560 twenty six hundred years ago written, which is brings us 1879 01:49:38.560 --> 01:49:40.680 back to the head of the conversation where or before 1880 01:49:40.720 --> 01:49:44.159 the conversation we were saying, you know, everyone's upset that 1881 01:49:44.079 --> 01:49:47.359 the Christopher Nolan's not a purist. And while I can 1882 01:49:47.399 --> 01:49:52.119 see those arguments. Nobody on Earth knows the what the 1883 01:49:52.199 --> 01:49:56.840 original story or stories were, because they were oral traditions 1884 01:49:57.199 --> 01:50:01.920 told by bards, you know, over cent trees in different places, 1885 01:50:02.920 --> 01:50:06.159 and then written down again and then translated and retranslated. 1886 01:50:06.199 --> 01:50:09.880 So you know, anytime you do something that's based off 1887 01:50:09.920 --> 01:50:13.079 a book or actual fact that taken in time, when 1888 01:50:13.680 --> 01:50:15.359 you know it's fasted down from like, there's going to 1889 01:50:15.399 --> 01:50:17.239 be somebody that somebody is going to be upset about 1890 01:50:17.279 --> 01:50:17.920 it being depicted. 1891 01:50:19.640 --> 01:50:22.800 I will add one thing to that. In the Greek world, 1892 01:50:23.159 --> 01:50:26.720 even back then, the Greek world was sort of the 1893 01:50:26.800 --> 01:50:32.960 backward sea that went as far as Persia in the 1894 01:50:33.119 --> 01:50:36.279 in the east, maybe even a little bit further, encompassed 1895 01:50:36.439 --> 01:50:41.760 North Africa, encompassed you know, all of the Aegean. Actually 1896 01:50:41.840 --> 01:50:44.680 where Jason and the Argonauts went to was in modern 1897 01:50:44.800 --> 01:50:47.399 day Georgia. The city, I mean not to say the 1898 01:50:47.720 --> 01:50:52.000 country in Europe, you know, so all of that Anatolia 1899 01:50:52.239 --> 01:50:57.359 and the the Pontic Step, all of that part of 1900 01:50:57.119 --> 01:51:04.119 the Greek world, Italy, othern France, the entire Mediterraneans, Spain, Portugal, 1901 01:51:04.600 --> 01:51:07.039 all of that, all of the islands part of the 1902 01:51:07.079 --> 01:51:12.000 Greek world, which includes people from Egypt and Libya was 1903 01:51:12.039 --> 01:51:15.600 the world word for Africa. So so to think that 1904 01:51:16.359 --> 01:51:19.359 Zindaiya can't be Athena and that's not part of the 1905 01:51:19.399 --> 01:51:24.079 Greek world as silly bush. She's a goddess, was birthed 1906 01:51:24.079 --> 01:51:28.199 by Zeus's head. 1907 01:51:27.520 --> 01:51:32.199 And to Africa. Take me in Africa, will bless the rains? 1908 01:51:32.199 --> 01:51:35.039 Now in Africa, well, bless the rains one of the 1909 01:51:35.039 --> 01:51:38.640 greatest songs of all time. I will anyway. But it's 1910 01:51:38.680 --> 01:51:41.479 the entire Greek world. And they even traded with They 1911 01:51:41.520 --> 01:51:45.560 got ten from from what's now the British Islands, so anyway, 1912 01:51:47.279 --> 01:51:49.800 you know, and Troy is in modern day Turkey. It 1913 01:51:49.880 --> 01:51:52.600 was Anatolia then or whatever they call it Ilien, which 1914 01:51:52.640 --> 01:51:56.119 is why you get the word the the ilias. Anyway, 1915 01:51:57.319 --> 01:51:59.359 that's what I have on Cyclopsis. I don't know if 1916 01:51:59.359 --> 01:52:00.359 you have anything more for that. 1917 01:52:00.359 --> 01:52:02.680 We've got a question on cyclops. Could they also be 1918 01:52:02.720 --> 01:52:04.119 related to ogres controls? 1919 01:52:05.680 --> 01:52:07.640 I think there's a case. I mean some people, because 1920 01:52:09.319 --> 01:52:11.479 I think some people will argue to you that all 1921 01:52:11.560 --> 01:52:14.239 giants are related in some way, and I think to 1922 01:52:14.279 --> 01:52:18.159 a certain extent there's probably some truth to that in that, 1923 01:52:18.760 --> 01:52:20.880 you know, what, what are we scared besides the other 1924 01:52:20.960 --> 01:52:22.960 beasts and animals. And once you figure out a way 1925 01:52:22.960 --> 01:52:25.239 to defend yourselves from the beast and animals, what's the 1926 01:52:25.279 --> 01:52:29.840 easiest animal to make make up? It's combinations of those 1927 01:52:30.039 --> 01:52:34.279 animals make them bigger and make men bigger. Whether that's 1928 01:52:34.319 --> 01:52:37.439 because they were they afraid of gorillas and other apes, 1929 01:52:38.239 --> 01:52:40.800 including mega apes, that they were a thing. I forgot 1930 01:52:40.840 --> 01:52:44.560 the name, but I think, you know, or if it's 1931 01:52:44.600 --> 01:52:48.399 some memory of you know, when the first Homo erectus 1932 01:52:48.399 --> 01:52:51.520 tried to go out of Africa and the Neanderthals bottleneck 1933 01:52:51.600 --> 01:52:54.520 them basically, you know, in the Sinai Desert and in 1934 01:52:54.600 --> 01:53:01.680 the little south western corner of Israel, you know, and 1935 01:53:01.840 --> 01:53:05.159 you know, beat them back. Maybe it's some memory back 1936 01:53:05.199 --> 01:53:08.039 to that seventy thousand years ago at a toll as 1937 01:53:08.039 --> 01:53:11.359 old as time. But you know, but I don't know. 1938 01:53:11.399 --> 01:53:15.520 Everyone puts a little variations on it. But there's always 1939 01:53:16.039 --> 01:53:19.640 been boogie men and boogie women. And remember, people died 1940 01:53:19.760 --> 01:53:23.000 very young, most kids, A lot of women died in childbirth, 1941 01:53:23.479 --> 01:53:27.640 Most kids died as infants or toddlers. Very few people 1942 01:53:27.720 --> 01:53:33.840 made it past eighteen. You know, it's it's probably a 1943 01:53:33.880 --> 01:53:37.319 whole lot of combinations to it. But you know, giants 1944 01:53:37.359 --> 01:53:39.720 are pretty easy mts. And also it's very easy to 1945 01:53:40.199 --> 01:53:44.840 you know, gods used to be depicted in paintings and 1946 01:53:44.880 --> 01:53:49.399 steel works and boss beliefs and petroglyphs as being bigger 1947 01:53:49.399 --> 01:53:52.840 than men and sometimes with horns and sometimes with wings 1948 01:53:52.840 --> 01:53:54.880 to show that they could fly and come they came 1949 01:53:54.920 --> 01:53:57.479 from above, And what goes is they really wings? And 1950 01:53:57.600 --> 01:54:00.560 you know a lot of that has influenced our pictures 1951 01:54:00.560 --> 01:54:04.319 of things now. So I'm gonna say yes, but I'm 1952 01:54:04.359 --> 01:54:08.760 gonna say probably not any more than a dragon is 1953 01:54:08.800 --> 01:54:09.800 related to a snake. 1954 01:54:11.199 --> 01:54:12.319 Yeah, the lizard family. 1955 01:54:14.279 --> 01:54:17.199 So yeah, We've gone almost two hours, which I think 1956 01:54:17.279 --> 01:54:19.840 is playing long. I have done my my plugs during 1957 01:54:19.840 --> 01:54:22.079 the course of the show. You can do your plug. 1958 01:54:22.159 --> 01:54:23.960 Say hello to all your friends. I'm not gonna put 1959 01:54:23.960 --> 01:54:25.399 any restrictive rules on you. 1960 01:54:25.760 --> 01:54:30.199 I'll keep them shorter. I just want to plug. 1961 01:54:31.319 --> 01:54:33.880 Me in this also, and I mean that in a 1962 01:54:34.119 --> 01:54:41.319 in a promotional way, not a. 1963 01:54:36.159 --> 01:54:36.479 Not a. 1964 01:54:39.960 --> 01:54:40.720 Pulp fiction way. 1965 01:54:41.720 --> 01:54:43.840 The plugging comes when we all get off off the 1966 01:54:43.920 --> 01:54:49.880 live right. No, Uh, this Friday, I'm gonna be doing 1967 01:54:49.920 --> 01:54:54.800 a show, uh with Minorities report on my channel and 1968 01:54:55.199 --> 01:54:57.840 Michael jeff Usso we're gonna go off the cuff when 1969 01:54:57.840 --> 01:55:03.199 it's gonna be Banana ship, that ship crazy. And this Saturday, 1970 01:55:03.640 --> 01:55:07.039 I'm gonna have a lawyer on my show. You might 1971 01:55:07.119 --> 01:55:09.560 know him. He's the guy next to me over here. 1972 01:55:10.119 --> 01:55:12.359 Oh his name is Jeff. I think I think he 1973 01:55:12.439 --> 01:55:17.199 goes by Dose Jeff Jeffrey Dosage. I don't know, no 1974 01:55:17.920 --> 01:55:21.600 Evil Dose Jeff Wittman. He'll be on my show. Does 1975 01:55:21.600 --> 01:55:24.840 this crossover week, Baby, He'll be coming over, gonna be 1976 01:55:24.960 --> 01:55:27.199 We're going back to our old day Saturday, just for you. 1977 01:55:28.119 --> 01:55:30.079 We've been on Fridays lately, but just for you, we're 1978 01:55:30.119 --> 01:55:34.359 going back to Saturday. They accommodate for you, and I 1979 01:55:34.399 --> 01:55:36.000 think we might be going back to Saturdays for a 1980 01:55:36.039 --> 01:55:37.520 couple of weeks. There was just time, so we had 1981 01:55:37.520 --> 01:55:38.439 to do it on Fridays. 1982 01:55:39.399 --> 01:55:42.079 Let's answer this to this question that says, which mythological 1983 01:55:42.159 --> 01:55:44.319 creature do you think has had the biggest impact on 1984 01:55:44.439 --> 01:55:45.159 pop culture? 1985 01:55:47.000 --> 01:55:51.039 Mhm, Shrek, I guess Ogres. 1986 01:55:52.359 --> 01:55:55.720 I'm gonna go with you. I think I'm gonna say. 1987 01:55:55.960 --> 01:55:57.880 I mean, it's a pretty good case for giants, it 1988 01:55:57.960 --> 01:55:59.439 was a pretty good case for dragons. But you know 1989 01:55:59.479 --> 01:56:01.920 what I'm gonna go with witches? 1990 01:56:03.199 --> 01:56:04.920 Oh we're going I thought we were just going with 1991 01:56:05.000 --> 01:56:12.600 our list. Okay, yeah, I would say witches or yeah 1992 01:56:12.680 --> 01:56:14.479 I have I got a cheating answer. I got like two. 1993 01:56:15.560 --> 01:56:22.520 I would say like witches or wear wolves. Okay, so see, 1994 01:56:22.600 --> 01:56:23.800 you see a lot of stuff, but they think it 1995 01:56:23.840 --> 01:56:24.640 about wearing wolves. 1996 01:56:26.439 --> 01:56:28.720 All right, So you were you were plugging my appearance 1997 01:56:28.760 --> 01:56:30.760 on your show, which is a perfectly wonderful plug. 1998 01:56:30.880 --> 01:56:34.439 So yes, so yes, no, that was Uh so that's 1999 01:56:34.479 --> 01:56:38.920 going to be Saturday. I I forgot the time we 2000 01:56:39.039 --> 01:56:42.680 scheduled it for. We'll get back. I think it was. 2001 01:56:42.880 --> 01:56:46.159 Uh, you haven't told me the time yet, so maybe 2002 01:56:46.199 --> 01:56:47.000 you haven't scheduled it. 2003 01:56:47.279 --> 01:56:50.119 Okay, so maybe it's hard because we grow back to Saturday. 2004 01:56:50.199 --> 01:56:51.840 So I want to make sure. But yes, it's got 2005 01:56:51.960 --> 01:56:54.359 to be a little bit earlier, right because you know. 2006 01:56:54.399 --> 01:56:56.920 How they can find out? They can They can follow 2007 01:56:57.640 --> 01:57:02.439 me at Dose Underscore, they can follow the sports JEDA 2008 01:57:02.560 --> 01:57:05.520 Network on X or many platforms. They can follow you 2009 01:57:06.439 --> 01:57:10.000 at rams fam on on the X and probably multiple 2010 01:57:10.039 --> 01:57:11.000 of the platforms as well. 2011 01:57:11.520 --> 01:57:14.600 And you ever the one followers that keeps unfollowing me 2012 01:57:14.680 --> 01:57:16.600 and following me and unfollowing me and follow me. I 2013 01:57:16.640 --> 01:57:18.239 don't know who you are, but is this a game 2014 01:57:18.279 --> 01:57:23.960 you're playing? I'll freaking oh, and I got that dirty 2015 01:57:24.000 --> 01:57:25.960 blue check mark, Jeff. I didn't want it, but it's 2016 01:57:26.000 --> 01:57:29.640 so I can get live on on on Twitter. So yes, 2017 01:57:29.800 --> 01:57:33.000 now rams fan comes with that disgusting blue check mark. Listen. 2018 01:57:33.079 --> 01:57:35.399 I've been tempted to do it myself, and the reason 2019 01:57:35.560 --> 01:57:39.960 is so that I can actually send messages to wrestlers 2020 01:57:40.039 --> 01:57:42.279 to invite them to come on the show because like 2021 01:57:44.520 --> 01:57:48.079 some that sorry, go ahead, yeah, most have a blue 2022 01:57:48.159 --> 01:57:50.439 check mark and you can't reach them otherwise. I haven't 2023 01:57:50.479 --> 01:57:56.319 done it yet, you know, and I'm tempted to solely 2024 01:57:56.399 --> 01:57:59.119 for that purpose. I'm never going to monetize my ex 2025 01:57:59.239 --> 01:58:02.880 I have maybe fifteen hundred followers and I'm divided over 2026 01:58:02.960 --> 01:58:08.479 two accounts. So anyway, so don't feel bad about doing it. 2027 01:58:08.920 --> 01:58:12.119 There's a reason they make that feature available on X. 2028 01:58:12.239 --> 01:58:12.680 It's not that. 2029 01:58:12.720 --> 01:58:16.159 Anyway, it's bad, just some some people I feel like, 2030 01:58:16.199 --> 01:58:17.439 abuse that blue check mark. 2031 01:58:17.520 --> 01:58:20.399 You know, of course people abuse that blue check mark. 2032 01:58:20.439 --> 01:58:24.680 But but but X is making us overthink it and 2033 01:58:25.840 --> 01:58:28.840 they make it something that they're trying to sell it 2034 01:58:28.920 --> 01:58:30.560 all the time for a reason, so that you can 2035 01:58:30.600 --> 01:58:34.319 do certain things like go live on X, like contact 2036 01:58:34.399 --> 01:58:37.399 people who you wouldn't normally be able to contact unsolicited 2037 01:58:38.119 --> 01:58:41.920 or uninvited, so you know they know what they're doing. 2038 01:58:42.399 --> 01:58:45.399 And just because you had to play into it doesn't 2039 01:58:45.439 --> 01:58:47.840 make you a bad guy. It just means that it 2040 01:58:47.960 --> 01:58:50.880 also serves a function for you and if it's if 2041 01:58:50.920 --> 01:58:53.600 it's not worth doing, you'll reevaluate and then you know 2042 01:58:53.880 --> 01:58:55.399 over the course of the next couple of years. 2043 01:58:56.159 --> 01:58:59.279 Yep. So yeah, those are just my two plugs. It's 2044 01:58:59.520 --> 01:59:02.159 Minority for guys on my channel Friday and Jeff on 2045 01:59:02.319 --> 01:59:02.880 Sabery Day. 2046 01:59:03.359 --> 01:59:05.760 Yeah, Minority Reports. First of all, I've been on your 2047 01:59:05.760 --> 01:59:07.399 show a bunch of times, and I appreciate you, and 2048 01:59:07.439 --> 01:59:08.880 I know a bunch of you've been here, so thank 2049 01:59:08.920 --> 01:59:11.359 you for all that. But I have noticed how you've 2050 01:59:11.359 --> 01:59:14.800 got rich now on all the time, and I don't 2051 01:59:14.880 --> 01:59:17.560 like it when people lap me more than once, like 2052 01:59:18.079 --> 01:59:22.000 me like this is like Captain America lap lapping the falcon, 2053 01:59:22.520 --> 01:59:25.760 you know, in the Winter Soldiers. So you know, I 2054 01:59:25.840 --> 01:59:28.119 know I'm a terrible guest. I know that I sabotage 2055 01:59:28.119 --> 01:59:30.720 a chat, that I make things all wonderfully terrible there. 2056 01:59:31.399 --> 01:59:33.399 And you know, I know I'm not a draw, but 2057 01:59:34.119 --> 01:59:36.319 you know you gotta throw me a bone every now. 2058 01:59:36.359 --> 01:59:38.840 And I don't mean much, but I need a little love. 2059 01:59:39.119 --> 01:59:41.800 Neil love. It needs a passing from a shaman too, 2060 01:59:41.920 --> 01:59:43.119 so you can know with PJ. Black. 2061 01:59:44.319 --> 01:59:47.560 Yeah, I'm a little bit concerned about that too, but uh, 2062 01:59:47.760 --> 01:59:51.239 you know, but that's entirely different. Listen, I would understand 2063 01:59:51.279 --> 01:59:55.039 if shaman would find me spiritually wanting, I would totally 2064 01:59:55.119 --> 01:59:59.680 get it. Gender is currently under evaluation or has either 2065 01:59:59.720 --> 02:00:04.960 passed fouled by now. So the only other person I 2066 02:00:05.079 --> 02:00:08.640 know who's going out than PJ and Gender plans Tom Larufa, 2067 02:00:08.680 --> 02:00:10.800 who was a guest on the Book of Black probably 2068 02:00:10.800 --> 02:00:14.479 like two years ago. He's a French wrestler. I'm assuming 2069 02:00:14.520 --> 02:00:17.319 he's going to pass because because having spoke to him, 2070 02:00:17.359 --> 02:00:18.960 he's extremely spiritual. 2071 02:00:19.960 --> 02:00:20.640 I don't. 2072 02:00:20.680 --> 02:00:23.399 I've never spoken to Ginger. I have pictures from his wedding, 2073 02:00:23.439 --> 02:00:27.920 but I wasn't there. PJ was there, but a lot 2074 02:00:27.920 --> 02:00:30.359 of people thought I was because they were like live 2075 02:00:30.439 --> 02:00:32.920 pictures from the time, and I guess they could under 2076 02:00:33.000 --> 02:00:36.239 I could understand why I'm like, no, like PJ. Black 2077 02:00:36.359 --> 02:00:40.760 is I mean, sadly, he's probably like my best friend. 2078 02:00:40.800 --> 02:00:42.760 I mean, it's like the two people I talk to 2079 02:00:42.840 --> 02:00:46.720 most in the world in real life is PJ and 2080 02:00:46.760 --> 02:00:51.119 mister Thomas louis probably third. So I mean, you know, 2081 02:00:51.279 --> 02:00:53.600 I don't know what that that says about me. 2082 02:00:54.760 --> 02:00:56.039 But tell you what, I want you to get an 2083 02:00:56.039 --> 02:00:59.039 interview with beast Man. If you can beast Man, the. 2084 02:00:59.039 --> 02:01:04.399 Guy who goes husk. Yeah, I think that's probably attainable. 2085 02:01:06.319 --> 02:01:08.760 After all, he is an MLW and and the MLW 2086 02:01:08.920 --> 02:01:10.600 Files is the only show that I'm aware of the 2087 02:01:10.760 --> 02:01:11.760 covers MLW. 2088 02:01:12.000 --> 02:01:13.840 I've seen them in GCW and I know, yeah, he 2089 02:01:13.960 --> 02:01:14.880 just popped up in there. 2090 02:01:15.600 --> 02:01:17.279 Well, maybe he's something that you could solicit to be 2091 02:01:17.359 --> 02:01:17.920 your co host. 2092 02:01:18.119 --> 02:01:21.199 So oh, you think out these magical powers. 2093 02:01:21.600 --> 02:01:23.920 Hi, you have a blue check mark, you can I 2094 02:01:23.920 --> 02:01:25.279 don't think he does that you could reach them. 2095 02:01:25.359 --> 02:01:27.319 Well, there was some g Well, the cool thing about 2096 02:01:27.399 --> 02:01:29.960 GCW rustlers, a lot of them, is that you don't 2097 02:01:30.000 --> 02:01:32.399 need a blue check mark if they make mog listen. 2098 02:01:32.720 --> 02:01:36.439 If you are a GCW wrestler or fan or someone 2099 02:01:36.479 --> 02:01:39.560 who deals with the production or works with the ring 2100 02:01:39.720 --> 02:01:42.680 crew or whatever it is, and you're interested in being 2101 02:01:42.720 --> 02:01:45.520 a co host. Rams Fan is looking to do a 2102 02:01:45.600 --> 02:01:46.640 GCW show. 2103 02:01:47.840 --> 02:01:51.800 He loves on Game Changer podcast because they do excellent work. 2104 02:01:51.880 --> 02:01:52.920 By the way, I don't know. 2105 02:01:52.880 --> 02:01:56.359 If I'm not saying there's none others in the world. 2106 02:01:56.640 --> 02:01:58.399 I'm just saying that you want to do one. You 2107 02:01:58.560 --> 02:02:01.359 love independent wrestling, you watch tons of it, you know, 2108 02:02:01.960 --> 02:02:04.880 and and if someone wants to do it. He has 2109 02:02:05.960 --> 02:02:09.000 at least three platforms. He has his own YouTube channel, 2110 02:02:09.359 --> 02:02:12.159 he's got the Sports Jedi Network where he can do it, 2111 02:02:12.199 --> 02:02:15.720 a Sports Edi Media on YouTube right now, Sportshedi Network 2112 02:02:15.760 --> 02:02:18.520 everywhere else. And he's got the Wrestling Superfriendos platform. 2113 02:02:18.800 --> 02:02:19.640 So you know. 2114 02:02:19.760 --> 02:02:22.039 So he's got at least three platforms that can triple 2115 02:02:22.079 --> 02:02:27.840 your exposure if you are a wrestler or videographer or photographer. 2116 02:02:27.840 --> 02:02:29.119 And I got a lawyer on retainer. 2117 02:02:30.119 --> 02:02:34.279 Anything you don't have me, don't lie. Don't lie to 2118 02:02:34.359 --> 02:02:36.840 the people out there. There's no attorney client privilege here. 2119 02:02:37.640 --> 02:02:40.199 Something I hate to break to you. Don Stoney is 2120 02:02:40.239 --> 02:02:46.239 not a real lawyer. No, I have figured it's save 2121 02:02:46.319 --> 02:02:50.960 me the trouble before you book him. It's well, he said. 2122 02:02:51.119 --> 02:02:53.079 I mean the people at Pitball Media treat him like 2123 02:02:53.119 --> 02:02:54.840 he was no, but I thought he was. I was 2124 02:02:54.960 --> 02:02:55.840 trying to book them. 2125 02:02:55.880 --> 02:02:57.199 I was trying to get a running joke. 2126 02:02:58.479 --> 02:03:01.520 That's terrible. Well, well there goes the one person who 2127 02:03:01.560 --> 02:03:03.720 said yes to my panel of this of the Wrestling 2128 02:03:03.760 --> 02:03:07.760 Lawyers podcast concept. But being that I wanted for I wasn't. 2129 02:03:08.760 --> 02:03:13.319 I wasn't not close to fruition anyway. In any event, 2130 02:03:14.880 --> 02:03:17.840 I've talked enough. Thank you everybody for listening. Thank you 2131 02:03:18.000 --> 02:03:20.319 if you tune in for the first time to listen 2132 02:03:20.359 --> 02:03:21.199 to rams Fan. 2133 02:03:21.479 --> 02:03:22.039 Thank you for that. 2134 02:03:22.199 --> 02:03:26.119 Please subscribe to Garden Plot podcast. Please subvibe. Subscribe to 2135 02:03:26.159 --> 02:03:30.560 Sports Jedi Network podcast on audio. Please subscribe to Sports 2136 02:03:30.600 --> 02:03:34.760 Jedi Network. Follow them on the Twitter, Sports Jedi Network 2137 02:03:34.840 --> 02:03:36.720 on YouTube. That one is hacked, but we hope to 2138 02:03:36.760 --> 02:03:40.000 get it back. But Sports Jedi Media Network is live 2139 02:03:40.079 --> 02:03:42.039 and we're trying to rebuild that. It's been a bit 2140 02:03:42.079 --> 02:03:44.279 of a struggle, so please come in there. Please follow 2141 02:03:44.399 --> 02:03:49.479 rams Fan at at rams Fan and his podcast. His 2142 02:03:49.840 --> 02:03:53.920 YouTube channel is Soup de Jour is it wrestling soup. 2143 02:03:55.359 --> 02:03:59.560 It's a sup. I'm not a big enough boy working 2144 02:03:59.600 --> 02:04:03.039 address sling soup in there. I just hit sticking this SmackDown. 2145 02:04:04.960 --> 02:04:08.840 And his His Twitter is at RAMS fan Underscore, Sean 2146 02:04:09.159 --> 02:04:11.119 s e An, you. 2147 02:04:11.119 --> 02:04:13.760 Know all these other Rams fans on YouTube. I've been 2148 02:04:13.840 --> 02:04:15.840 Rams fan since like five, so I don't know where 2149 02:04:15.840 --> 02:04:17.680 the hell you all came from. I didn't start seeing 2150 02:04:17.720 --> 02:04:20.399 you two recently. I've been a Rams fan of the 2151 02:04:20.399 --> 02:04:22.840 football team even longer, but on YouTube, I've been Rams 2152 02:04:22.880 --> 02:04:25.760 fan forever. But anyways, I had to get my my 2153 02:04:25.960 --> 02:04:26.880 ego out of the way. There. 2154 02:04:27.600 --> 02:04:33.760 We're brad, but okay, all right, so everyone, hope you 2155 02:04:33.880 --> 02:04:37.520 enjoyed it, hope to something different and you'll hear from 2156 02:04:37.600 --> 02:04:40.560 me later in the week. Tomorrow, MLW Files at six 2157 02:04:40.680 --> 02:04:46.720 o five uh, Tuesday, NXT review show at probably ten 2158 02:04:46.840 --> 02:04:53.600 or five, and Wednesday with Matt Pravenza from Horror Movie 2159 02:04:53.640 --> 02:04:56.720 making a movie right now on out of Character and 2160 02:04:57.119 --> 02:04:59.640 at some point if you're on wrestling Soup Lou and 2161 02:04:59.720 --> 02:05:04.600 I we will do the LFG episode ten or eleven 2162 02:05:05.119 --> 02:05:08.720 episode and we will watch the episode it's on tonight 2163 02:05:08.760 --> 02:05:11.680 at some point this week and we'll get to that. 2164 02:05:11.880 --> 02:05:13.520 So thanks everyone,