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<v Speaker 1>Hello, and welcome to another episode of Star Wars Alliance.

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<v Speaker 1>Of course, I'm your host Clay and with me like

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<v Speaker 1>every single week. If you cannot hear her already, is Katie. Guys.

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<v Speaker 1>We told you last week that there is not going

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<v Speaker 1>to be a live show this week due to the

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<v Speaker 1>fact that we had to record this early. And the

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<v Speaker 1>reason that is is because of the embargo date on

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<v Speaker 1>this as well as just like other stuff that was

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<v Speaker 1>going on in both of our personal lives. Katie is

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<v Speaker 1>you know, getting a new house and all of this stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm still settling in and so we just didn't want

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<v Speaker 1>to jinx it and we didn't want to be like, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>we could definitely do this, So we are recording this

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<v Speaker 1>outside of the normal Wednesday showing as far as the

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<v Speaker 1>live show, and this should be dropping on your feeds

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<v Speaker 1>on Thursday. So yep, with that, Katie, I do not

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<v Speaker 1>believe because I am looking through the news nothing has dropped.

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<v Speaker 1>The only thing that has dropped is I sent you

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<v Speaker 1>a text message with the current Star Wars book panel

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<v Speaker 1>schedule for San Diego Comic Con. Yes he did, and

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<v Speaker 1>that is both on July twenty fourth, there's going to

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<v Speaker 1>be a twelve pm Pacific time, which is going to

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<v Speaker 1>be Mad Cave and Lucasfilm Publishing. They're going to probably

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<v Speaker 1>do more elaborate stuff on what we already know, possible,

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<v Speaker 1>possible that they might be announcing anything new. I doubt

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<v Speaker 1>it with how they have been pushing their Mad Cave

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<v Speaker 1>stuff recently. You will probably just see more new stuff

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<v Speaker 1>along with solicitations with Mad Cave, so keep an eye

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<v Speaker 1>on that for sure. Mad Cave and paper Cuts, of course.

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<v Speaker 1>But we do have a two pm Pacific on the

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<v Speaker 1>twenty fourth of this month Star Wars Books from Random

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<v Speaker 1>House Worlds. This is where I can see us getting

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<v Speaker 1>at least one new announcement. Yeah, at least one, I think, yeh.

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<v Speaker 1>Should we get our hopes up for like I would

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<v Speaker 1>or what do you what do you think? What do

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<v Speaker 1>you think, Katie?

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<v Speaker 2>I would imagine that we may get a sneak peek

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<v Speaker 2>at early Spring book. I'm not picturing anything more than that.

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<v Speaker 2>Also potentially Brain of the Empire book two, that could

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<v Speaker 2>be a promising one. Yeah, as well to get a

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<v Speaker 2>sneak peek at Sorry mother in law's texting me.

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<v Speaker 1>Just because I do have it. On Star Wars news Net.

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<v Speaker 1>They are releasing a the book that we are reviewing today.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, they're having a exclusive dust jacket, which I love

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<v Speaker 2>this idea. We don't need if you're just going to

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<v Speaker 2>do a dust jacket, which is fine if you want

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<v Speaker 2>to do other things. But I love the idea of

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<v Speaker 2>just an extra dust jacket for people. It's a lot

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<v Speaker 2>less republishing of the same book, and the price is

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<v Speaker 2>much cheaper because you just buy the book and then

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<v Speaker 2>you get an additional dust jacket that I like this idea.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that is really neat.

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<v Speaker 2>Honestly, I am sad because I would love to get

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<v Speaker 2>this dust jackets. Dust jacket is gorgeous.

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<v Speaker 1>Y'all, especially in context of the actual story. I really

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<v Speaker 1>like it.

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<v Speaker 2>I love these dust jackets too. Where it's a scene

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<v Speaker 2>from the book. We had the out of print ones

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<v Speaker 2>for the Higher Republic, and then there was like, uh,

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<v Speaker 2>there was a couple others that used to do something

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<v Speaker 2>very similar to this. Uh Delilah S. Dawson's Yes, the

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<v Speaker 2>Red and Quizard.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, the red Blade Blade. Thank you. We we both

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<v Speaker 1>got that. That was from New York, right, yea? Or

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<v Speaker 1>was it San Diego? Uh?

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<v Speaker 2>That was New York. No, No, that was San Diego,

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<v Speaker 2>San Diego.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, I think the New York one was the Mace Windu, Yes, yes,

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<v Speaker 1>which we weren't able to get our hands on. But yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I really I really like this idea. Now here's something

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<v Speaker 1>this is exclusive to San Diego Comic Con. Do you

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<v Speaker 1>think they should keep it exclusive? And I don't mean

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<v Speaker 1>necessarily just to this one, but like, should they open

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<v Speaker 1>up this idea for like, oh, hey, with the new

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<v Speaker 1>rate of the Empire book, it's going to release not

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<v Speaker 1>really around any big cons, so we're putting out a

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<v Speaker 1>dust jacket for anybody who wants to grab it. Like,

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<v Speaker 1>do you think that should be a thing or how

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<v Speaker 1>do you like? What do you feel?

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<v Speaker 2>I think that specialigists are becoming more common, and they're

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<v Speaker 2>variated based on what publishers see. So if this one

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<v Speaker 2>is super popular, they may decide to do it. It

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<v Speaker 2>may be too late for rein of the Empire book too,

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<v Speaker 2>because that comes out in September, but I have seen

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<v Speaker 2>other publishers do something similar where you get like a

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<v Speaker 2>reversible dust jacket, which I can vibe with. So dust jacket, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>so how does that work? You basically just fold it

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<v Speaker 2>in the other direction and like manipulate it so it

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<v Speaker 2>just goes back in.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, I was just because I'm I'm really like anal

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<v Speaker 1>about like creases and stuff, so like you would have

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<v Speaker 1>to literally crease it at the like the image would

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<v Speaker 1>have to be perfect on both sides.

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<v Speaker 2>God, my mom is calling me.

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<v Speaker 1>To equal the actual, equal the actual, Like you guys

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<v Speaker 1>know what I'm trying to say. The fact that, like

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<v Speaker 1>you have one image on one side of the dust

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<v Speaker 1>jacket and the other image has to be perfect in

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<v Speaker 1>the sense of where the creases are on the front part.

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<v Speaker 1>You would have to like then flip it, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>and if it's not, then it would irk me because

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<v Speaker 1>when you flip it back, there's new creases on the

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<v Speaker 1>other cover. So that's the only thing that would like

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<v Speaker 1>really really bother me when it comes to this. But

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<v Speaker 1>either way, like I think that this is something that

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<v Speaker 1>can be in the norm. I'm not somebody who I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not really somebody like especially now like Abby has definitely

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<v Speaker 1>gotten the Breton end of like my complaining. But like

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<v Speaker 1>I told Abby that, like I do not need the

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<v Speaker 1>sixteen hours of my day that I am awake. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't need to be monetized to those sixteen hours. So

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<v Speaker 1>like for me when it comes to the exclusivity, I

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<v Speaker 1>think it's okay because I need to be sold something

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<v Speaker 1>every second of every day.

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<v Speaker 2>Correct, And I think it while it would be nice

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<v Speaker 2>to have it fully available because again, I would love

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<v Speaker 2>the option to purchase this one. I want special additions

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<v Speaker 2>for things. That makes sense to me. But unfortunately, with

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<v Speaker 2>how popular special additions are nowadays, it can be very

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<v Speaker 2>hard to get to those special editions because they're behind

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<v Speaker 2>where people always purchase special editions, like I would be

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<v Speaker 2>last in line like to get a Goldsborough edition of

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<v Speaker 2>this basically, So special additions you have to like be

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<v Speaker 2>in the right place at the right time for them basically.

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<v Speaker 2>So I love it if it was a like a

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<v Speaker 2>preorder option. I know Random House Worlds has done that

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<v Speaker 2>before with like a calendar or like a digital something

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<v Speaker 2>or another. So I know there's options, and I know

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<v Speaker 2>obviously printaking is expensive and it's becoming more expensive nowadays. Uh,

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<v Speaker 2>but the goal, like I would love to see it

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<v Speaker 2>be available when I want it, But like, because I

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<v Speaker 2>don't buy special editions all the time, I will probably

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<v Speaker 2>never really be on that Like, oh I'm gonna give

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<v Speaker 2>the special edition radar kind of thing. Yeah, because this book,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm just gonna tell you, guys, legacy, I think this

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<v Speaker 2>is my favorite Star Wars book of all time.

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<v Speaker 1>Wowoh yeah really yeah, okay, okay, so I'm gonna okay,

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<v Speaker 1>so hold on that that that kind of surprises. It

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't surprise me, surprise me, but like it does. So like, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>not getting into spoilers right now. This is our non

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<v Speaker 1>spoiler conversation that we usually have right before we get

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<v Speaker 1>into spoilers whenever we do this type of thing. And

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<v Speaker 1>if you are newer to to Star Wars Alliance and

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<v Speaker 1>this is one of your first reviews that you are

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<v Speaker 1>listening to, guys, just know that, as like something that

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<v Speaker 1>we normally do here, we do not go chapter by chapter.

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<v Speaker 1>We do not go into the thick of spoilers. We

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<v Speaker 1>may talk about our favorite parts, we may talk about

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<v Speaker 1>like what it really means overall on the cannon type

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<v Speaker 1>of thing, but we leave a lot of the juicy

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<v Speaker 1>stuff to you guys to read on your own to

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<v Speaker 1>form your own opinions.

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<v Speaker 2>Because there's special moments in some of these books, and

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<v Speaker 2>especially this one. We'll talk about one cameo, but we'll

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<v Speaker 2>leave out the other one.

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<v Speaker 1>Is it the cameo? I think? Is it the cameo

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<v Speaker 2>You know, I forgot to check the chapter because I

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<v Speaker 2>could I was listening to it via audio, and so

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<v Speaker 2>I forgot to like listen out for the chapter. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>prepare to cut this out.

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<v Speaker 1>So okay, let me let me write that down. Then

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<v Speaker 1>need to write that down if we're gonna cut it. So,

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<v Speaker 1>like my big thing is.

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<v Speaker 2>That. So basically, guys, we want you guys to be

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<v Speaker 2>able to enjoy moments in these stories and not spoil

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<v Speaker 2>every tidbit in here, because Madeline Rue does an incredible

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<v Speaker 2>job with this one, really just tying in a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of Easter eggs, but then a lot of other story

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<v Speaker 2>elements at play, so we don't want to spoil too much,

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<v Speaker 2>but we're going to talk about things.

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<v Speaker 1>So yes, I would put this book. I want to

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<v Speaker 1>strongly say top ten. I'm not quite sure if I

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<v Speaker 1>want to say top five, which is fair? Which is

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<v Speaker 1>I think that with the cameos, with the weight of

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<v Speaker 1>this book, I do feel like, unfortunately, and we talk

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<v Speaker 1>about this type of thing a lot due to the

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<v Speaker 1>release of the sequel trilogy being before this book, or

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<v Speaker 1>at least the Rise of Skywalker to be released before

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<v Speaker 1>this book. It does leave one thing a bit like clunky, curious,

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<v Speaker 1>and we will we will talk about it because I

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<v Speaker 1>do think that again, we do mention at sometimes the

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<v Speaker 1>different like canonical uh consequences and lack thereof when we

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<v Speaker 1>talk about these reviews. But there is one that does

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<v Speaker 1>play a part, Like there's a pretty important part in

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<v Speaker 1>Rise of Skywalker that plays a part in this book.

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<v Speaker 1>And I will just say this. It has to do

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<v Speaker 1>with her visions and the person and or thing that

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<v Speaker 1>she's seeing. So so let's just get into it. Let's

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<v Speaker 1>just jump jump into it, Katie. I want you to

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<v Speaker 1>know that I notated this book and highlighted this book

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<v Speaker 1>like crazy, chapter eleven, chapter thirteen, chapter twentyeight. I probably

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<v Speaker 2>I was happy, I probably would have, but I was

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<v Speaker 2>having kindle issues and so I was just like, Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>I just need to get through and like and then

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<v Speaker 2>for my second read, because I got two reads, guys,

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<v Speaker 2>I was impressed with myself that I got two reads.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh but my second read, I got to listen to

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<v Speaker 2>Saskia Mark Mark No, Saskia Marchiaveld in her uh reading

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<v Speaker 2>of the book, which, by the way, love Saskia. She

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<v Speaker 2>does an incredible job. There are a few bits, in

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<v Speaker 2>particular with one of the enemies that they faced, where

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<v Speaker 2>the voice is a little funky, not super clear, but

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<v Speaker 2>otherwise great read. I really appreciate that we got the

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<v Speaker 2>audiobook in advance for this one because it made a

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<v Speaker 2>huge difference of me being able to get a second reading. Yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I so I love this book, guys, and I think

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<v Speaker 2>so like this is so to give you guys some

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<v Speaker 2>context if you guys haven't heard about this book, this

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<v Speaker 2>book is basically about how Leah and Ray start their

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<v Speaker 2>right and she heals Kylo Wrinn, she heals the dragon Beast.

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<v Speaker 2>Like people were like, where does this come from? Like

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, this this tells you not only like it, because

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<v Speaker 1>there is there is one tidbit that never got touched on,

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<v Speaker 1>especially the book reviews. I always joke around about I

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<v Speaker 1>like it does have a happily ever after because of course,

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<v Speaker 1>like our heroes are okay, and they're like on the

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<v Speaker 1>but there is something going on with one of our

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<v Speaker 1>When you see what happens with her sister or with

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<v Speaker 1>what happens to his sister. I'm kind of okay with that.

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<v Speaker 1>And the reason is it gives him hope. It gives

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<v Speaker 1>him hope. I don't need the heartbreak that he is

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<v Speaker 1>because you can guess what happened. I personally as the reader,

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<v Speaker 1>with everything else else that's going on in the story,

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<v Speaker 2>No, that would have put it kind of over the top.

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like Madeline was able to balance the emotions

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<v Speaker 2>at play in this so perfectly between raised turmoil for

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<v Speaker 2>being the last Jedi and knowing, hey, I have got

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<v Speaker 2>to rebuild this some way, but I'm also the hope

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<v Speaker 2>of the Resistance. But also if I don't have this lightsaber,

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<v Speaker 2>much to people? What does this do in the end?

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<v Speaker 2>I think I feel like the attachment she has to

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<v Speaker 2>Saber actually speaks to her in mas Canada's Castle, Like,

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<v Speaker 1>Well, it's it's it's just it's literally a symbol of hope,

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<v Speaker 1>I think is the bigger thing. And it almost like

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<v Speaker 1>very meta because as Luke sky Walker's Lightsaber as Anakin's lightsaber,

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<v Speaker 1>we as the fans, saw that in the right in

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<v Speaker 1>the Force Awakens and we're like, oh my gosh, that

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<v Speaker 1>brings hope within us, within ourselves, So I think it

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<v Speaker 1>was very meta two for them to bring that in

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<v Speaker 1>again to be Ray's hope still, and it goes along

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<v Speaker 1>with the idea because even I think it's Leah who

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<v Speaker 1>brings it up again. This phrase has been talked about

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<v Speaker 1>not only in the High Republic, not only in prequel era,

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<v Speaker 1>but in the original trilogy era and now in this

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<v Speaker 1>sequel era. A Jedi is more than it's than their lightsaber.

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<v Speaker 1>Leah even told Ray that in this book, and I'm

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<v Speaker 1>so glad that she finally got to hear these words. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>because in this book there is a lot of despair,

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of negative negativity, a lot of losing of hope.

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<v Speaker 1>There's there's a lot, and it kind of hangs on

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<v Speaker 1>the words of Luke Skywalker himself in the Last Jedi

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<v Speaker 1>of You went Straight to the dark yep which is

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<v Speaker 1>the words of Luke Skywalker when you know they were meditating,

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<v Speaker 1>And they even use the word for word quote of

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<v Speaker 1>uh Luke Skywalker when he explained to Ray the one

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<v Speaker 1>time that I saw power like that. I can't remember

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<v Speaker 1>the exact quote, but basically saying like I did nothing

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<v Speaker 1>and look where Ben look what Ben became. I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>gonna let that happen again. And because it was literally

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<v Speaker 1>her only master at the time, she holds those words

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<v Speaker 1>very near and dear to her heart. And so unfortunately,

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<v Speaker 1>Luke Skywalker, your big jerk is.

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<v Speaker 2>Especially with the fact that her parents left with no

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<v Speaker 2>context that whole trend of okay, she finds somebody had died.

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<v Speaker 2>She thought she related to han Ah lot Han died.

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<v Speaker 2>Han left her. She gets to Luke hoping that there

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<v Speaker 2>will be some faith here and that she can get

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<v Speaker 2>some assistance in bringing forth with her future. And then

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<v Speaker 2>she gets told hey, no, no, wee jose And then

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<v Speaker 2>she gets to Leah. And in this book, Leah Ray

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<v Speaker 2>struggles with the fact that she has this attachment to

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<v Speaker 2>Kylo or to Ben rather not Kylo Ren, but knowing

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<v Speaker 2>that also that he's potentially too far gone, and she

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't know how to bring up that she has this

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<v Speaker 2>attachment to Bin, to his mother of all people, she

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<v Speaker 2>like she wrestles with that, and like the catalyst of

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<v Speaker 2>this is we get Ray where she goes up into

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<v Speaker 2>this mountain and is like devastated, She's tossed the crystal,

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<v Speaker 2>like doesn't want anything to do with it, and she

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<v Speaker 2>comes back down and Ray's finally like, you know what,

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<v Speaker 2>I can't do this by myself like, and Leia has

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<v Speaker 2>been trying to tell her that the entire way. But Ray,

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<v Speaker 2>thanks to Tython's force presence, like Tython, even gets called

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<v Speaker 2>a virgence like that, it contains a vergence with Kylo Renn.

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<v Speaker 2>At the end of the book, thanks to Tython's force presence,

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<v Speaker 2>She's able to kind of come to a realization that

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<v Speaker 2>Lena is speaking the truth that you can't do it

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<v Speaker 2>on your own ye and that she needs to be open.

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<v Speaker 2>And so she tells Lea about her dreams. She tells

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<v Speaker 2>her about the attachment. And this is after Leah has

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<v Speaker 2>had the talk with Luke after she retrieved the lightsaber. Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>Luke makes an appearance.

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<v Speaker 1>So, so how'd you feel about that? I? I I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know. And the only reason again is because unfortunately

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<v Speaker 1>the Rise of Skywalker has already been released. It's already

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<v Speaker 1>a viewing thing. People can have an opinion on that

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<v Speaker 1>movie already before reading this. I understand that Luke presents

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<v Speaker 1>himself to Ray and it's supposed to feel like the

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<v Speaker 1>very first time, but Lee as a completely different person, right,

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<v Speaker 1>and so that's how you get away with it, That's

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<v Speaker 1>how you.

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<v Speaker 2>I also think Luke's presence in the Rise of Skywalker

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<v Speaker 2>is different because it's a different person. But it also

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<v Speaker 2>this book explains the difference kind of in his opinion

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<v Speaker 2>towards Ray.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, because at this point we can assume that Luke

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<v Speaker 2>talks with Leah the rest of the time until Rise

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<v Speaker 2>of Skywalker and is like following up and stuff and

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<v Speaker 1>That's the big thing that I want your opinion on,

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<v Speaker 1>because I don't think hearing that this is your favorite book,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think this sways you at all, but you

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<v Speaker 1>may have an opinion on it. How do you feel

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<v Speaker 1>about Luke revealing to Leyah about Ray's origins?

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<v Speaker 2>But we had wondered that because in the Rise of

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<v Speaker 2>Skywalker he says layand new Leye had no problem with it.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't remember exactly what he said, but I know

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<v Speaker 2>he said Layan knew there was no problems, and we

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<v Speaker 2>were wondering with Shadows of the Sith how that information

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<v Speaker 2>got to Leya. Because Lea does not make an appearance

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<v Speaker 2>in Shadow of the Stead No, she does not know

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<v Speaker 2>and that's how Luke knows the Palpatine connection.

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<v Speaker 1>So we knew. No, no, he doesn't. He doesn't know

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<v Speaker 1>because of Shadow the Sith. He says it in the book.

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<v Speaker 1>He says that because time does not work the same

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<v Speaker 1>as now, he is a force ghost, that he is

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<v Speaker 1>basically has an he has had an eternity to figure

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<v Speaker 1>That's what he is saying, which is weird because it's

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<v Speaker 1>never been explained like that before. Mm hmm. But that's

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<v Speaker 1>that's what he tells Lea in this book, is that

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<v Speaker 1>that time does not work the same and that he

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<v Speaker 1>has found out that way now he does. He references

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<v Speaker 1>the Shadow of Sith mission he does. And I believe

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<v Speaker 1>that is also because if when you read the book,

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<v Speaker 1>the only individuals that ever get close enough to raise

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<v Speaker 1>parents is Lando. Luke never makes contact with them. Lando

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<v Speaker 1>is the only one to ever even communicate with him.

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<v Speaker 1>He doesn't even make full contact with him. He only

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<v Speaker 1>communicates with them over a coms link on the ship.

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<v Speaker 2>I definitely understood that differently, Yeah, which is fine. I

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<v Speaker 2>planned on rereading it anyways.

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<v Speaker 1>It's totally fine. I think it's even more fun this way,

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<v Speaker 1>because because it's still kind.

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<v Speaker 2>Of a mystery and they can play around with it

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit more, and because it can be understood

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<v Speaker 2>in different ways. If they decide that Luke figures it

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<v Speaker 2>out later on this or like before he becomes a

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<v Speaker 2>forced ghost, Yeah, it's not the end of the world,

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<v Speaker 2>because yeah, I don't.

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<v Speaker 1>Think it's the end of the world. I just thought, like, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>the one thing that irked me was Leah kind of

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<v Speaker 1>has had, especially the Skywalker family, which is like she

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<v Speaker 1>contemplates on whether she should tell Ray or not, and

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<v Speaker 1>she's like, oh, well, Ray has already had all of

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<v Speaker 1>this like negativity and she already has like a heavy heart.

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<v Speaker 1>If I say something now, it'll turn her into like

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<v Speaker 1>put her more into a spiral. And I literally put

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<v Speaker 1>into my notes that's not up for you to decide.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not right.

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<v Speaker 2>But I don't understand Madeline's problem.

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<v Speaker 1>It's the fact that the Rise of Skywalker has already

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<v Speaker 1>been created, yes, but just the way you have to

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<v Speaker 1>like make it work. It kind of irks me because

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like, you're not learning from your mistakes. Nobody is

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<v Speaker 1>learning from their mistakes right now. So that's the only

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<v Speaker 1>thing that that's the only reason why it irks me.

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<v Speaker 1>The reveal of reyes of Palpatine to Lea only annoys

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<v Speaker 1>me because of how they have to kind of force

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<v Speaker 1>it into like, Hey, I can't say anything because she

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<v Speaker 1>learns about it in the Rise of Skywalker. Yes, that's

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<v Speaker 1>the only reason why. Now I will say, there is

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<v Speaker 1>a cameo and I've already cut this out in the episode.

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<v Speaker 1>There is a cameo in this book.

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<v Speaker 2>Why don't we talk about that cameo at the very end?

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<v Speaker 2>We can do that and that way, it's like, if

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<v Speaker 2>you don't want a spoiler for this portion.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, Okay, So there there is another thing that that

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<v Speaker 1>irks me about this book. Okay, there is a what

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<v Speaker 1>chapter I think it's chapter thirteen. I have in my

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<v Speaker 1>notes It says here, uh, I'm glad you're alive, Leah

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<v Speaker 1>said softly. She touched Ray's hair in a few places,

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<v Speaker 1>as if checking for injuries. This is in the perspective

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<v Speaker 1>of Ray. Her own mother used to do that after

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<v Speaker 1>Ray would slump into their shelter, covering in rough and

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<v Speaker 1>tumble bruises, giving her daughter it once over before her

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<v Speaker 1>turn around, before her turn around, so she could comb

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<v Speaker 1>the sand out of her hair. So I read this

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<v Speaker 1>and I immediately thought Jacu. And I'm just now realizing

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<v Speaker 1>it doesn't necessarily mean jaku because when we learn in

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<v Speaker 1>Shadows of the Scythe that they ever make it to

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<v Speaker 1>they have to show ship off right to shoot.

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<v Speaker 2>No. Well, but the thing is is so in Shadow

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<v Speaker 2>of the Sith because I pulled this up when we

421
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<v Speaker 2>were talking about like if Luke knew Literally the first

422
00:33:18.039 --> 00:33:21.640
<v Speaker 2>line of the plot summary on Wikipedia, Dathan, his wife,

423
00:33:21.759 --> 00:33:24.240
<v Speaker 2>Mirah Mir, and their six year old daughter Ray flee

424
00:33:24.279 --> 00:33:26.559
<v Speaker 2>into wild space on our freighter they had stolen from

425
00:33:26.720 --> 00:33:34.279
<v Speaker 2>Ukar Plutz ship scrapyard. They were on jack Wu. They

426
00:33:34.319 --> 00:33:37.240
<v Speaker 2>had grown up moving from place to place. So like

427
00:33:37.319 --> 00:33:39.839
<v Speaker 2>in Shadow the Fifth, the thing you're probably remembering is

428
00:33:39.839 --> 00:33:43.359
<v Speaker 2>they were in the forest and stuff. They moved from

429
00:33:43.359 --> 00:33:46.799
<v Speaker 2>planet to planet, and so that's how they knew to

430
00:33:46.799 --> 00:33:55.039
<v Speaker 2>send her back to Jack who is because Okay.

431
00:33:52.519 --> 00:33:53.440
<v Speaker 1>That makes more sense.

432
00:33:53.839 --> 00:33:57.079
<v Speaker 2>Okay, yeah, because Luke even says it in one of

433
00:33:57.119 --> 00:34:00.680
<v Speaker 2>his talks with Leah. Yeah, when he's talking about the

434
00:34:00.680 --> 00:34:03.319
<v Speaker 2>Shadow of the Sith mission, He's like, yeah, her parents

435
00:34:03.319 --> 00:34:06.319
<v Speaker 2>were Jack who scrappers.

436
00:34:07.319 --> 00:34:13.679
<v Speaker 1>So I didn't guess that. Yeah, okay that now there's

437
00:34:13.719 --> 00:34:18.400
<v Speaker 1>a full circle moment. Okay, Okay, that makes more sense.

438
00:34:18.719 --> 00:34:21.800
<v Speaker 1>Okay I was about to say. I was like, they're

439
00:34:22.239 --> 00:34:30.360
<v Speaker 1>not reading, they're Cannon Jebrary or Canon Bible too.

440
00:34:31.280 --> 00:34:34.239
<v Speaker 2>That did not have to mean jack who. But in

441
00:34:34.280 --> 00:34:37.639
<v Speaker 2>this case, there is lines that signified it as.

442
00:34:37.599 --> 00:34:47.719
<v Speaker 1>Jacket that it is Jacku because she technically could have

443
00:34:47.719 --> 00:34:50.960
<v Speaker 1>grown up there but still traveled because they were in hiding.

444
00:34:51.360 --> 00:34:57.039
<v Speaker 3>Okay, yeah, uh.

445
00:34:55.079 --> 00:35:02.400
<v Speaker 1>So I'm curious how this is your favorite book with

446
00:35:02.800 --> 00:35:11.519
<v Speaker 1>so much suspense and so much like almost horror.

447
00:35:13.239 --> 00:35:16.199
<v Speaker 2>See, but I need to feel like it was horror esque.

448
00:35:16.360 --> 00:35:22.000
<v Speaker 2>Even in even in the audiobook, I really felt like

449
00:35:22.119 --> 00:35:27.599
<v Speaker 2>it was more drama than thriller or horror esque.

450
00:35:27.880 --> 00:35:32.920
<v Speaker 1>I mean, you put a little girl's face saying help me,

451
00:35:33.239 --> 00:35:36.400
<v Speaker 1>all right, little girl's voice saying help me.

452
00:35:36.519 --> 00:35:40.320
<v Speaker 2>But we're also very used to Ray having those visions

453
00:35:40.360 --> 00:35:43.400
<v Speaker 2>and stuff, and so it really didn't signify anything to me.

454
00:35:43.559 --> 00:35:47.079
<v Speaker 2>Okay that it was a trap. I just thought, Okay,

455
00:35:47.320 --> 00:35:53.800
<v Speaker 2>it's want to raise visions, that's happening. Yeah, so I

456
00:35:53.880 --> 00:35:57.239
<v Speaker 2>really didn't feel thriller or horror esque vibes even when

457
00:35:57.280 --> 00:36:00.960
<v Speaker 2>we get into the crypt. And maybe it's also because

458
00:36:01.039 --> 00:36:04.559
<v Speaker 2>I can't picture these things, and because when I tie

459
00:36:04.679 --> 00:36:07.599
<v Speaker 2>horror to a book, it's typically serial killer.

460
00:36:08.199 --> 00:36:14.599
<v Speaker 1>Really yeah, and as somebody who does not like horror,

461
00:36:15.440 --> 00:36:19.800
<v Speaker 1>but somebody who can definitely picture the entire book as

462
00:36:19.840 --> 00:36:24.480
<v Speaker 1>a movie in their head, Like that's why it makes

463
00:36:24.519 --> 00:36:29.000
<v Speaker 1>no sense to highlight it. But there's like an observation

464
00:36:29.199 --> 00:36:32.480
<v Speaker 1>that I think Ray has that she's She's like, oh,

465
00:36:32.519 --> 00:36:35.760
<v Speaker 1>I hear a voice, but there's nobody hiding behind these towers.

466
00:36:36.119 --> 00:36:40.320
<v Speaker 1>I'm just like, what, why would you say it like that?

467
00:36:40.719 --> 00:36:44.880
<v Speaker 2>Like, And I think it's also because like in Shadow

468
00:36:44.880 --> 00:36:48.159
<v Speaker 2>of the City, Luke has a vision on Tython about

469
00:36:48.199 --> 00:36:53.559
<v Speaker 2>the Exagon Sorry guys, yeah, sorry, he has a vision

470
00:36:53.679 --> 00:36:58.119
<v Speaker 2>about the Exagoll people. So I'm very like and especially

471
00:36:58.199 --> 00:37:00.760
<v Speaker 2>with what I've read in Legends, I'm very to Tython

472
00:37:01.000 --> 00:37:07.679
<v Speaker 2>being related to vision esque things. Yeah, So it didn't

473
00:37:07.719 --> 00:37:13.159
<v Speaker 2>really bug me. But I love the relationship that Roe

474
00:37:13.199 --> 00:37:17.760
<v Speaker 2>is able to build between Leah and Rey because we

475
00:37:17.920 --> 00:37:21.239
<v Speaker 2>always wondered that about how she gets like that was

476
00:37:21.280 --> 00:37:24.000
<v Speaker 2>one of the main questions. And I know, don't be

477
00:37:24.079 --> 00:37:26.159
<v Speaker 2>one of those people guys who is like well, I

478
00:37:26.159 --> 00:37:29.360
<v Speaker 2>shouldn't have to get a book to understand a movie, Okay,

479
00:37:29.360 --> 00:37:33.280
<v Speaker 2>but this like expands that so much more and it

480
00:37:33.440 --> 00:37:37.679
<v Speaker 2>just gives this depth that allows you to look at

481
00:37:37.800 --> 00:37:41.199
<v Speaker 2>the Rise of Skywalker with brand new eyes. Really, that's

482
00:37:41.239 --> 00:37:47.519
<v Speaker 2>how artistic Row managed to be with this. She really

483
00:37:47.519 --> 00:37:51.840
<v Speaker 2>did an incredible job with it, and I love the

484
00:37:51.880 --> 00:37:55.440
<v Speaker 2>action sequences that we get in here. She manipulates the

485
00:37:55.559 --> 00:37:58.360
<v Speaker 2>lightsaber very well in all of the different fights that

486
00:37:58.480 --> 00:37:59.880
<v Speaker 2>Ray gets in, and this.

487
00:38:01.360 --> 00:38:06.199
<v Speaker 1>Like, okay, well space fighting happened before any of like

488
00:38:06.239 --> 00:38:08.440
<v Speaker 1>the ground fighting, which I thought was really really cool.

489
00:38:09.960 --> 00:38:12.480
<v Speaker 1>There was like a little bit of like force manipulation

490
00:38:12.679 --> 00:38:19.360
<v Speaker 1>of like sling shotting into getting into the atmosphere safely

491
00:38:19.440 --> 00:38:22.960
<v Speaker 1>and stuff. I thought that was really really cool. But

492
00:38:23.079 --> 00:38:29.079
<v Speaker 1>speaking of ground fighting, in the tomb that they're uh,

493
00:38:29.280 --> 00:38:34.119
<v Speaker 1>basically like trapped. It's not trapped, but.

494
00:38:34.159 --> 00:38:37.239
<v Speaker 2>Like it's back to the old Republic guys, so that it's.

495
00:38:37.119 --> 00:38:41.960
<v Speaker 1>Like a it's like a booty trap. Yeah, there's a

496
00:38:42.000 --> 00:38:45.840
<v Speaker 1>moment where she finds all these lightsabers and she hands

497
00:38:45.840 --> 00:38:48.559
<v Speaker 1>one Delaya, she hands one to Gaff, but it's more

498
00:38:48.639 --> 00:38:51.320
<v Speaker 1>so to use for light, not necessarily like, hey, we

499
00:38:51.360 --> 00:38:55.760
<v Speaker 1>all need to fight this thing. She hands them to

500
00:38:55.760 --> 00:39:02.480
<v Speaker 1>to to use his light. But then they meet this thing. Yeah,

501
00:39:02.800 --> 00:39:06.880
<v Speaker 1>this Jum and this is the cool thing. So I've

502
00:39:06.920 --> 00:39:11.440
<v Speaker 1>talked about how I love the Bindu in Rebels. It

503
00:39:11.559 --> 00:39:19.199
<v Speaker 1>is a very large, supernatural force being that kind of

504
00:39:20.519 --> 00:39:25.440
<v Speaker 1>stretches the imagination when it comes to what Star Wars

505
00:39:25.519 --> 00:39:31.159
<v Speaker 1>can be. Well, we get not somebody like the Bindu

506
00:39:31.239 --> 00:39:38.960
<v Speaker 1>because we're not necessarily uh told that they can manipulate

507
00:39:39.119 --> 00:39:45.400
<v Speaker 1>the force. But it's cognitive to a point of an

508
00:39:45.599 --> 00:39:51.559
<v Speaker 1>actual conversation with Ray happens in their mind and it

509
00:39:51.679 --> 00:39:53.360
<v Speaker 1>is terrifying.

510
00:39:54.320 --> 00:39:57.239
<v Speaker 2>And that was the That was the one part of

511
00:39:57.239 --> 00:40:02.599
<v Speaker 2>the narration that I struggled with, was the voice in there.

512
00:40:02.719 --> 00:40:04.960
<v Speaker 2>And it might have been because guys, we cut it

513
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<v Speaker 2>to one point five speed.

514
00:40:07.719 --> 00:40:10.800
<v Speaker 1>I cut two versions. I did two point five or

515
00:40:11.000 --> 00:40:13.519
<v Speaker 1>regular two time speed, which is what I listened to,

516
00:40:14.000 --> 00:40:19.400
<v Speaker 1>and then I cut a one point five speed for Katie.

517
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<v Speaker 1>This thing is described as basically a giant snake like

518
00:40:30.960 --> 00:40:36.360
<v Speaker 1>thing with a hardened shell, but.

519
00:40:36.519 --> 00:40:39.199
<v Speaker 2>Like centipede almost things like yes.

520
00:40:38.920 --> 00:40:41.440
<v Speaker 1>Because it has like mandibles and like like it has

521
00:40:41.559 --> 00:40:47.320
<v Speaker 1>all of it. It's creepy. It's super creepy. And Ray

522
00:40:47.480 --> 00:40:52.320
<v Speaker 1>does this really cool thing where she jumps up. While

523
00:40:52.360 --> 00:40:55.880
<v Speaker 1>she jumps up, she uses the force to grab GAVs

524
00:40:55.960 --> 00:40:59.920
<v Speaker 1>lightsaber and lay Laya's lightsaber as well as her own,

525
00:41:00.000 --> 00:41:07.800
<v Speaker 1>and she spins it like a giant throwing star to

526
00:41:08.480 --> 00:41:11.760
<v Speaker 1>hit this creature. I thought that was the coolest thing

527
00:41:11.920 --> 00:41:12.679
<v Speaker 1>she has ever done.

528
00:41:13.519 --> 00:41:17.360
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, the it like brings a whole new meaning kind

529
00:41:17.360 --> 00:41:20.480
<v Speaker 2>of to like the spinning lightsaber for the inquisitors, Like

530
00:41:20.800 --> 00:41:24.119
<v Speaker 2>I just imagine it just like all of them rotating

531
00:41:24.159 --> 00:41:25.280
<v Speaker 2>in like a giant trangle.

532
00:41:25.599 --> 00:41:26.039
<v Speaker 1>Giant.

533
00:41:26.320 --> 00:41:31.280
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, is awesome. And then like how she talks about

534
00:41:31.320 --> 00:41:36.519
<v Speaker 2>like like having the lightsabers trail behind her. But then

535
00:41:36.519 --> 00:41:41.599
<v Speaker 2>the attachment that ray actually gets to one of the

536
00:41:41.679 --> 00:41:45.079
<v Speaker 2>former dark Side users that came to the Tython Temple.

537
00:41:45.400 --> 00:41:47.760
<v Speaker 2>She gets that attachment to it, and I have to

538
00:41:47.840 --> 00:41:50.920
<v Speaker 2>think because at the end, guys, at the end, she

539
00:41:51.039 --> 00:41:54.840
<v Speaker 2>opens up the crystal and realizes it's not red anymore.

540
00:41:55.800 --> 00:41:59.880
<v Speaker 2>It's yellow. I have to wonder if that's her light

541
00:42:00.000 --> 00:42:01.599
<v Speaker 2>Saper crystal that she chooses.

542
00:42:01.320 --> 00:42:07.679
<v Speaker 1>To use one. I I one hundred percent when it

543
00:42:07.679 --> 00:42:10.159
<v Speaker 1>when it says that, I was like, yeah, one hundred percent,

544
00:42:10.760 --> 00:42:11.239
<v Speaker 1>because she.

545
00:42:11.280 --> 00:42:14.119
<v Speaker 2>Had that attachment to it. The whole time, and Lea

546
00:42:14.320 --> 00:42:17.280
<v Speaker 2>was like, dude, that's the dark side, that's the sisty

547
00:42:17.400 --> 00:42:18.679
<v Speaker 2>light saber, Like.

548
00:42:19.039 --> 00:42:23.239
<v Speaker 1>What are you doing? It's really funny because like it

549
00:42:23.440 --> 00:42:29.880
<v Speaker 1>is like in every stereotypical like supernatural like movie or whatever,

550
00:42:30.639 --> 00:42:33.639
<v Speaker 1>like they're always like you. You would like if they

551
00:42:33.719 --> 00:42:36.920
<v Speaker 1>had made this a movie, you would probably see a

552
00:42:36.920 --> 00:42:41.800
<v Speaker 1>couple scenes where like Ray is just staring at it

553
00:42:41.960 --> 00:42:45.559
<v Speaker 1>in a room mm and like Leo would like come

554
00:42:45.599 --> 00:42:47.119
<v Speaker 1>around be like, hey, what are you doing? And she'd

555
00:42:47.159 --> 00:42:49.440
<v Speaker 1>like trying to hide it, like I see, I see

556
00:42:49.440 --> 00:42:52.039
<v Speaker 1>that in my head whenever I read this book, but

557
00:42:52.119 --> 00:42:55.320
<v Speaker 1>like she does that for real in this book where

558
00:42:55.320 --> 00:42:58.280
<v Speaker 1>she's kind of just like studying it and Lea's like, hey,

559
00:42:58.280 --> 00:43:01.239
<v Speaker 1>what you doing. She's like, oh, well, you know this,

560
00:43:01.239 --> 00:43:04.440
<v Speaker 1>this can help us. This this very teaches something.

561
00:43:05.159 --> 00:43:08.440
<v Speaker 2>It's very similar to how Ahsoka feels in the Ahsoka

562
00:43:08.519 --> 00:43:13.199
<v Speaker 2>book when she gets the Inquisitor's lightsaber and she feels

563
00:43:13.199 --> 00:43:18.039
<v Speaker 2>something calling to her and so she like pulls the

564
00:43:18.079 --> 00:43:21.480
<v Speaker 2>crystals like actually out of the lightsaber and then purifies

565
00:43:21.519 --> 00:43:25.400
<v Speaker 2>them and that's why she gets her lightsabers for rebels.

566
00:43:25.719 --> 00:43:30.960
<v Speaker 2>Is very similar feeling I get with that, and it's

567
00:43:31.000 --> 00:43:33.840
<v Speaker 2>just like a crystal talking, like we know that the

568
00:43:33.920 --> 00:43:36.880
<v Speaker 2>Kyber crystals call out based on like the Clone Wars

569
00:43:36.920 --> 00:43:46.800
<v Speaker 2>with the Youngling visits to the planet. I can't remember

570
00:43:46.840 --> 00:43:49.480
<v Speaker 2>the name of the planet, h.

571
00:43:50.559 --> 00:43:58.760
<v Speaker 1>I something, I I got it, and then.

572
00:44:06.719 --> 00:44:14.880
<v Speaker 4>Mike, Yeah, it's very reminiscent of those episodes because we

573
00:44:14.960 --> 00:44:17.360
<v Speaker 4>know that the crystals call out to the Younglings.

574
00:44:17.360 --> 00:44:21.559
<v Speaker 2>They're very similar thing. Yeah, and Leia just doesn't Lay

575
00:44:21.679 --> 00:44:24.199
<v Speaker 2>and Ray both don't understand that aspect.

576
00:44:25.400 --> 00:44:35.880
<v Speaker 1>So I also want to applaud uh the author Roe

577
00:44:36.360 --> 00:44:43.679
<v Speaker 1>for leaving one mystery to the entire book, in this

578
00:44:44.199 --> 00:44:49.320
<v Speaker 1>entire endeavor, which is really really cool because again, like

579
00:44:49.400 --> 00:44:53.440
<v Speaker 1>one of the big things in the Rise of Skywalker

580
00:44:54.199 --> 00:44:57.159
<v Speaker 1>is that, like or at the very end of Last

581
00:44:57.199 --> 00:45:02.199
<v Speaker 1>Jedi going into Rise of Skywalker, we see all of

582
00:45:03.280 --> 00:45:08.679
<v Speaker 1>Luke's books in the Millennium Falcon. So Ray is somebody

583
00:45:08.719 --> 00:45:10.920
<v Speaker 1>who wants to learn a lot, and that's also touched

584
00:45:10.960 --> 00:45:14.880
<v Speaker 1>on in this book. How like she loves to study

585
00:45:15.039 --> 00:45:18.760
<v Speaker 1>and I really really enjoyed that about her. And so

586
00:45:19.440 --> 00:45:23.119
<v Speaker 1>in this book, when they go to this tomb, when

587
00:45:23.119 --> 00:45:27.400
<v Speaker 1>they go into these caves, they find holocrons, and so

588
00:45:27.519 --> 00:45:32.519
<v Speaker 1>she is recur like she's constantly watching these Holocrons to

589
00:45:32.639 --> 00:45:35.679
<v Speaker 1>learn what's going on, and this is where they learn

590
00:45:35.880 --> 00:45:41.440
<v Speaker 1>about this Dark Side User, this sith that wanted basically

591
00:45:41.480 --> 00:45:45.920
<v Speaker 1>redemption and wanted to, you know, learn about the the

592
00:45:46.719 --> 00:45:48.239
<v Speaker 1>the good side of the force, the light side of

593
00:45:48.239 --> 00:46:02.599
<v Speaker 1>the Force. But in these Holocrons, they never mention her name, right.

594
00:46:02.519 --> 00:46:06.239
<v Speaker 2>And that's because the whole time going through they they

595
00:46:06.440 --> 00:46:09.519
<v Speaker 2>so they have her dark side name that her master

596
00:46:09.679 --> 00:46:12.960
<v Speaker 2>gave to her, but her whole the Dark Side User.

597
00:46:13.519 --> 00:46:15.920
<v Speaker 2>She goes through the entire thing, and the little snippets

598
00:46:15.920 --> 00:46:20.119
<v Speaker 2>that we see in the Hollows, she's trying to find

599
00:46:20.239 --> 00:46:23.440
<v Speaker 2>the original name that she was given at birth that

600
00:46:23.519 --> 00:46:28.039
<v Speaker 2>her master wiped from her brain. And I find it

601
00:46:28.320 --> 00:46:34.599
<v Speaker 2>very iconic or not iconic ironic that that's a similar

602
00:46:34.599 --> 00:46:39.159
<v Speaker 2>parallel to what Ray goes through with her name, because

603
00:46:39.159 --> 00:46:44.119
<v Speaker 2>she's like, I'm Ray Nobody, and it's just a whole trend,

604
00:46:44.519 --> 00:46:49.000
<v Speaker 2>the whole way through, And I bet you, like in

605
00:46:49.239 --> 00:46:54.119
<v Speaker 2>the Holocrons in the Hollows that aren't mentioned. Ray eventually

606
00:46:54.199 --> 00:46:58.239
<v Speaker 2>finds that she accepts a new name and accepts that

607
00:46:58.280 --> 00:47:04.119
<v Speaker 2>she's somebody brand new, and that's the inspiration for Race Skywalker.

608
00:47:04.119 --> 00:47:09.119
<v Speaker 1>At the end, well, there's there's two because the other

609
00:47:09.280 --> 00:47:16.079
<v Speaker 1>inspiration is I truly believe from Leah herself.

610
00:47:16.440 --> 00:47:20.199
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, because Leah says, basically, Leah basically tells her you're

611
00:47:20.239 --> 00:47:20.840
<v Speaker 2>part of the family.

612
00:47:21.400 --> 00:47:23.239
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. There's there's a line at the very end of

613
00:47:23.239 --> 00:47:29.760
<v Speaker 1>the book because the one big mission of Raise is

614
00:47:29.800 --> 00:47:35.480
<v Speaker 1>to fix the light, the Kyper Crystal from the last

615
00:47:35.559 --> 00:47:39.119
<v Speaker 1>Jedi at the end. I'm not going to tell you

616
00:47:39.159 --> 00:47:42.599
<v Speaker 1>how she does it, but in the end she does

617
00:47:43.320 --> 00:47:49.280
<v Speaker 1>renew it because of course it's in the Rise of

618
00:47:49.280 --> 00:47:54.119
<v Speaker 1>Skywalker when it's said and done and she like shows

619
00:47:54.159 --> 00:48:01.920
<v Speaker 1>it off to everybody. Uh, there's a line that basically

620
00:48:02.000 --> 00:48:05.440
<v Speaker 1>Leah says, like, oh, you already know that it is

621
00:48:05.519 --> 00:48:09.719
<v Speaker 1>with a Skywalker essentially, is what she said. Yes, So

622
00:48:10.280 --> 00:48:17.000
<v Speaker 1>that right there, I think basically is Roe saying like, oh,

623
00:48:18.119 --> 00:48:21.800
<v Speaker 1>even before, like even though she still struggles, because again,

624
00:48:22.559 --> 00:48:25.079
<v Speaker 1>that's the entire story of Star Wars, is that there's

625
00:48:25.079 --> 00:48:29.400
<v Speaker 1>always a struggle between the light and dark. That even

626
00:48:29.440 --> 00:48:36.400
<v Speaker 1>though Ray is struggling through the Rise of Skywalker, that

627
00:48:36.519 --> 00:48:39.920
<v Speaker 1>she is knowing that she is a Skywalker. And I

628
00:48:39.960 --> 00:48:46.360
<v Speaker 1>think truly the reason being is the constant conflict between

629
00:48:46.400 --> 00:48:53.000
<v Speaker 1>her and Ben, her and Kylo Wrinn because everything's all

630
00:48:53.079 --> 00:48:58.119
<v Speaker 1>hunky dory. Everything's all hunky dory. She's no longer like

631
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<v Speaker 1>super strong with Ben, and that is because she herself

632
00:49:02.679 --> 00:49:06.000
<v Speaker 1>is not looking for that connection. And then there's something

633
00:49:06.039 --> 00:49:07.400
<v Speaker 1>at the end of the at the end of the

634
00:49:07.440 --> 00:49:11.360
<v Speaker 1>story that kind of reignites it again. Not going to

635
00:49:11.400 --> 00:49:19.320
<v Speaker 1>share how and I can only assume that because she

636
00:49:19.599 --> 00:49:25.000
<v Speaker 1>opened the floodgates. Basically, that is how it starts happening

637
00:49:25.039 --> 00:49:30.719
<v Speaker 1>again at the very beginning of the Rise of Skywalker. So, like,

638
00:49:31.039 --> 00:49:35.800
<v Speaker 1>I think Road did very well with connecting the Last

639
00:49:35.840 --> 00:49:38.039
<v Speaker 1>Chati to the Rise of Skywalker.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think a lot of a lot of people's

641
00:49:41.519 --> 00:49:44.840
<v Speaker 2>problem with the Rise of Skywalker is because they're not

642
00:49:45.159 --> 00:49:48.679
<v Speaker 2>used to, hey, we have a break between movies kind

643
00:49:48.679 --> 00:49:53.599
<v Speaker 2>of thing. Something happened between these things, and that like

644
00:49:54.320 --> 00:49:57.519
<v Speaker 2>eventually we'll find out, hopefully it'll get pensioned in the movie.

645
00:49:57.599 --> 00:50:00.840
<v Speaker 2>People don't understand that nowadays. And and also they fell

646
00:50:00.880 --> 00:50:03.559
<v Speaker 2>trapped to oh, well, the Force Awakens takes place right

647
00:50:03.559 --> 00:50:07.320
<v Speaker 2>before the Last Jedi, and they're all like they're literally

648
00:50:07.360 --> 00:50:11.719
<v Speaker 2>connected by hours. Nothing happened before the last Jedi from

649
00:50:11.760 --> 00:50:16.480
<v Speaker 2>the Force Awakens. So they set a precedent and then

650
00:50:16.480 --> 00:50:23.559
<v Speaker 2>they changed it. So I think that's most people's issue,

651
00:50:23.760 --> 00:50:30.239
<v Speaker 2>most most the general population of fans nowadays. I think

652
00:50:30.280 --> 00:50:33.159
<v Speaker 2>that most people's problem with the Rise of Skywalker. Yeah,

653
00:50:33.199 --> 00:50:35.960
<v Speaker 2>if you have if you haven't a different problem, obviously,

654
00:50:36.000 --> 00:50:38.920
<v Speaker 2>that's fine. I'm just saying, like I think people don't

655
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<v Speaker 2>understand that timeskit Ah, What did you think about Master

656
00:50:46.000 --> 00:50:49.639
<v Speaker 2>Wreath Silas being mentioned at the front of the book.

657
00:50:55.159 --> 00:50:56.079
<v Speaker 1>Hold On, hold On.

658
00:50:56.800 --> 00:51:01.639
<v Speaker 2>There is so C three po trans something and it's

659
00:51:01.679 --> 00:51:06.119
<v Speaker 2>basically like it's a hidden passage that he found that

660
00:51:06.239 --> 00:51:11.519
<v Speaker 2>was in code and it was not necessarily Silas's padawan,

661
00:51:11.679 --> 00:51:16.480
<v Speaker 2>but somebody who was working with Wreath, and he says

662
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<v Speaker 2>Master Silas says that the temple will the temples in

663
00:51:21.000 --> 00:51:24.960
<v Speaker 2>question will reveal themselves to those who need it. But

664
00:51:25.159 --> 00:51:28.559
<v Speaker 2>I think these are too valuable to lose. And he

665
00:51:28.599 --> 00:51:31.760
<v Speaker 2>talks about the fore or the person who's writing the

666
00:51:31.880 --> 00:51:34.559
<v Speaker 2>letter talks about the forge and the font.

667
00:51:36.280 --> 00:51:39.800
<v Speaker 1>I totally missed that, what.

668
00:51:41.440 --> 00:51:42.079
<v Speaker 2>Yep.

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00:51:44.679 --> 00:51:50.119
<v Speaker 1>I think that's amazing. More so because we had even

670
00:51:50.239 --> 00:52:03.159
<v Speaker 1>said that at the end of the highblic the the initiative,

671
00:52:03.360 --> 00:52:08.039
<v Speaker 1>at least we had even said what does this mean

672
00:52:08.719 --> 00:52:15.920
<v Speaker 1>for Silas and because there was so much dark ship

673
00:52:16.440 --> 00:52:23.880
<v Speaker 1>in that tomb, I think this goes into our predictions

674
00:52:24.800 --> 00:52:33.760
<v Speaker 1>of Silas being super curious about the dark side.

675
00:52:33.000 --> 00:52:35.760
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and trying to save Aslan.

676
00:52:36.480 --> 00:52:44.400
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. I think this puts more into our theory. Yep,

677
00:52:45.719 --> 00:52:50.639
<v Speaker 1>I'm am totally do it. That's amazing. Yeah.

678
00:52:50.960 --> 00:52:55.199
<v Speaker 2>I was like, Oh, it's real, It's it's.

679
00:52:55.599 --> 00:52:58.079
<v Speaker 1>I was like, I'm so I missed that. I'm gonna

680
00:52:58.079 --> 00:53:00.840
<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna have to try to focus a little bit

681
00:53:00.880 --> 00:53:06.079
<v Speaker 1>harder on my on my reread. That's awesome.

682
00:53:09.039 --> 00:53:13.599
<v Speaker 2>So yeah, there's that connection. Uh, we get the Church

683
00:53:13.639 --> 00:53:19.360
<v Speaker 2>of the Forest again with like Laura Santeca mentions, so

684
00:53:19.599 --> 00:53:24.920
<v Speaker 2>just continuing to connect the sequel trilogy up. I also

685
00:53:25.159 --> 00:53:32.679
<v Speaker 2>loved the exploration into Hayes, which is Roseu Tico's home planet,

686
00:53:33.559 --> 00:53:37.360
<v Speaker 2>but also the Hazian Smelt because I never really understood,

687
00:53:38.159 --> 00:53:42.119
<v Speaker 2>like I loved the while Hayes Minor was going through

688
00:53:43.159 --> 00:53:46.480
<v Speaker 2>like issues with the Force Order and like being basically

689
00:53:46.480 --> 00:53:51.000
<v Speaker 2>demolished and like stripped of all resources. I loved that

690
00:53:51.119 --> 00:53:56.119
<v Speaker 2>we got that exploration and that detail because Hazian Smelt

691
00:53:56.159 --> 00:53:59.320
<v Speaker 2>is just kind of like a throw off in the

692
00:53:59.400 --> 00:54:06.280
<v Speaker 2>Last Jedi when the code breaker. Dude who's not really

693
00:54:06.280 --> 00:54:08.719
<v Speaker 2>the code breaker is like, oh, you could have it

694
00:54:08.800 --> 00:54:13.079
<v Speaker 2>back now. I just needed it for its conductive properties.

695
00:54:14.639 --> 00:54:18.960
<v Speaker 2>So I dug that we got to dig in to

696
00:54:19.079 --> 00:54:24.280
<v Speaker 2>that aspect. And while Rose doesn't make appearances in this

697
00:54:24.920 --> 00:54:29.519
<v Speaker 2>I did appreciate that we got that little bit of

698
00:54:29.639 --> 00:54:31.480
<v Speaker 2>history about her home planet.

699
00:54:32.559 --> 00:54:38.960
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, I I dug that as well. They're like

700
00:54:39.519 --> 00:54:43.119
<v Speaker 1>I will I will admit I think that they did

701
00:54:43.519 --> 00:54:51.280
<v Speaker 1>do Roe did service to like still include those side

702
00:54:51.360 --> 00:54:55.039
<v Speaker 1>characters in a sense of like, oh, hey, they're not

703
00:54:55.079 --> 00:54:57.199
<v Speaker 1>going to be the bigger part of the story, but

704
00:54:57.840 --> 00:54:58.960
<v Speaker 1>they're around, you.

705
00:54:58.920 --> 00:55:02.960
<v Speaker 2>Know, and that really matters when it comes down to

706
00:55:03.639 --> 00:55:06.840
<v Speaker 2>such an intimate story as this one was. Yes, do

707
00:55:06.880 --> 00:55:10.360
<v Speaker 2>you need your first order villain representative? Yes? Do you

708
00:55:10.440 --> 00:55:14.400
<v Speaker 2>need that side character that kind of gives our main

709
00:55:14.519 --> 00:55:19.199
<v Speaker 2>characters the motivation to continue forward? Yes, but that the

710
00:55:19.320 --> 00:55:21.599
<v Speaker 2>other characters still exists, and I love like that little

711
00:55:21.599 --> 00:55:24.880
<v Speaker 2>bit of play that we got on Pekara for that.

712
00:55:29.320 --> 00:55:32.599
<v Speaker 2>I don't believe there were any LGBTQ characters.

713
00:55:33.119 --> 00:55:37.679
<v Speaker 1>Uh not that I would have to do a reread,

714
00:55:38.199 --> 00:55:38.719
<v Speaker 1>but nothing.

715
00:55:38.800 --> 00:55:42.800
<v Speaker 2>It might have been one of the refugees, like a couple.

716
00:55:44.280 --> 00:55:46.840
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, there was nothing really in your face about it.

717
00:55:46.960 --> 00:55:50.639
<v Speaker 1>And and when I say in your face, there there's

718
00:55:51.719 --> 00:55:54.960
<v Speaker 1>it may have just been a side conversation, that's what

719
00:55:55.000 --> 00:56:00.440
<v Speaker 1>I read, and not really a prominent character. But you

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00:56:00.440 --> 00:56:04.559
<v Speaker 1>you talk, you mentioned intimate and I did have a

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00:56:04.639 --> 00:56:10.400
<v Speaker 1>highlight which I thought was wrong. Okay, there is a

722
00:56:11.360 --> 00:56:15.599
<v Speaker 1>oh what chapter is this? This is chapter because I

723
00:56:15.599 --> 00:56:21.360
<v Speaker 1>have it highlighted. This is chapter twenty five.

724
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<v Speaker 3>And it says here, uh.

725
00:56:31.280 --> 00:56:42.199
<v Speaker 1>I think this is Ray talking about her connection with

726
00:56:43.480 --> 00:56:48.039
<v Speaker 1>ben ben okay, or like reminiscing or like kind of

727
00:56:48.079 --> 00:56:51.760
<v Speaker 1>talking about the past or whatever. And she said uh.

728
00:56:53.000 --> 00:56:55.280
<v Speaker 1>When she had the strength to look again, she couldn't

729
00:56:55.320 --> 00:56:58.039
<v Speaker 1>allow her gaze to reach his face. It occurred to

730
00:56:58.079 --> 00:57:02.360
<v Speaker 1>her that she had never seen his toes before. There

731
00:57:02.480 --> 00:57:07.440
<v Speaker 1>was a private, domestic intimacy to it, and as he

732
00:57:07.599 --> 00:57:13.159
<v Speaker 1>came near, she could make out the minuscule black hairs

733
00:57:13.719 --> 00:57:25.840
<v Speaker 1>that start started just where his pants cuffs met the ankles.

734
00:57:26.320 --> 00:57:33.679
<v Speaker 1>And I just I laughed when I was like to think,

735
00:57:34.400 --> 00:57:38.440
<v Speaker 1>and and I do think in some cultures, like feet,

736
00:57:38.679 --> 00:57:42.039
<v Speaker 1>like seeing each other's feet is like a sense of intimacy.

737
00:57:43.679 --> 00:57:47.159
<v Speaker 1>But like reading it out loud, I was like, that's funny,

738
00:57:47.440 --> 00:57:53.400
<v Speaker 1>Like like, especially when we talk about their connection.

739
00:57:54.039 --> 00:57:54.599
<v Speaker 2>In like.

740
00:57:56.840 --> 00:58:02.119
<v Speaker 1>Just conversation about the last Jedi, everybody always like talks

741
00:58:02.159 --> 00:58:07.679
<v Speaker 1>about how kylo Ren was always shirtless. Yeah, it's like

742
00:58:08.119 --> 00:58:11.119
<v Speaker 1>it's like, that's not the intimate part. It's the toes.

743
00:58:14.360 --> 00:58:17.360
<v Speaker 2>It's because the shirt is always off.

744
00:58:17.840 --> 00:58:20.599
<v Speaker 1>It's not it's not the abs, it's not the nipples,

745
00:58:20.719 --> 00:58:27.719
<v Speaker 1>it's not the collarbone. It's the toes. That's the So

746
00:58:27.840 --> 00:58:30.000
<v Speaker 1>I thought that was really silly, and I kind of

747
00:58:30.079 --> 00:58:35.199
<v Speaker 1>laughed about it. I had some notations just for the

748
00:58:35.239 --> 00:58:38.000
<v Speaker 1>fact of like just some random thoughts that I had

749
00:58:38.000 --> 00:58:43.320
<v Speaker 1>in my head. There's one where Gav is like, well,

750
00:58:43.360 --> 00:58:50.920
<v Speaker 1>can't you just like fly? Because the conversation about like

751
00:58:51.559 --> 00:58:55.320
<v Speaker 1>how the stories of the Jedi are really lost to

752
00:58:55.760 --> 00:58:58.880
<v Speaker 1>the universe and so there's a lot of people who

753
00:58:58.960 --> 00:59:01.960
<v Speaker 1>just don't know what a Jedi is, what they can

754
00:59:02.000 --> 00:59:06.639
<v Speaker 1>do and everything else. And there's a moment where when

755
00:59:06.639 --> 00:59:10.280
<v Speaker 1>he asks her, well can you fly? Like she's all really,

756
00:59:11.159 --> 00:59:14.199
<v Speaker 1>she's all really super serious, closes our close their eyes,

757
00:59:14.239 --> 00:59:16.840
<v Speaker 1>and starts flapping our arms. It's like, am I doing it?

758
00:59:17.039 --> 00:59:19.400
<v Speaker 1>Am I doing it? Am I flying? Am I flying?

759
00:59:21.079 --> 00:59:23.280
<v Speaker 1>So I was and I really love it.

760
00:59:23.360 --> 00:59:26.199
<v Speaker 2>That was one moment that I could, in fact picture

761
00:59:26.320 --> 00:59:31.719
<v Speaker 2>Daisy Bridley doing that and like in a really serious voice,

762
00:59:32.199 --> 00:59:35.039
<v Speaker 2>it's like, am I doing it? Am I doing it?

763
00:59:37.239 --> 00:59:40.880
<v Speaker 1>I also highlighted just because we're having this conversation, well

764
00:59:41.360 --> 00:59:45.639
<v Speaker 1>the technically the side story in the New Jedi Order

765
00:59:46.760 --> 00:59:51.480
<v Speaker 1>books has ended. This kind of reminded me of that

766
00:59:51.559 --> 00:59:56.119
<v Speaker 1>side story. Have you ever noticed that when C three

767
00:59:56.159 --> 00:59:59.760
<v Speaker 1>Po is in danger, not only in the books but

768
00:59:59.840 --> 01:00:04.320
<v Speaker 1>in the movies, he mentions the Maker. He's He's like,

769
01:00:04.480 --> 01:00:09.440
<v Speaker 1>oh Maker, like and it's just because of the conversation

770
01:00:09.519 --> 01:00:11.159
<v Speaker 1>that we're having in the The Jedi Order. It is

771
01:00:11.199 --> 01:00:17.599
<v Speaker 1>just it's so funny too have C three Po so

772
01:00:17.960 --> 01:00:22.960
<v Speaker 1>cognitive to his existence that like he's like, hey, I

773
01:00:23.000 --> 01:00:26.760
<v Speaker 1>could die. Like it's it's not just being shut off.

774
01:00:26.840 --> 01:00:30.719
<v Speaker 1>I could die. So I thought, you know, let's put

775
01:00:30.760 --> 01:00:38.119
<v Speaker 1>that down there. I saw a post the other day

776
01:00:38.320 --> 01:00:44.599
<v Speaker 1>about how and Or canotically canonized the word shit, and

777
01:00:44.679 --> 01:00:51.320
<v Speaker 1>so the word shit appears one time in this book. Yeah,

778
01:00:51.360 --> 01:00:55.039
<v Speaker 1>I have it right here. In chapter twenty five. It

779
01:00:55.199 --> 01:01:01.159
<v Speaker 1>is Ziff's character. Okay, he's talking to Gav and he

780
01:01:01.239 --> 01:01:07.760
<v Speaker 1>says nobody, nobody drowning or crackling their heads open, or

781
01:01:07.960 --> 01:01:10.360
<v Speaker 1>breaking their bones or dealing with the rest of this

782
01:01:10.519 --> 01:01:15.679
<v Speaker 1>creepy shit. Okay, run and get the back to It's

783
01:01:15.719 --> 01:01:20.800
<v Speaker 1>the least you can do, Jedi. Is that that's what

784
01:01:20.960 --> 01:01:26.800
<v Speaker 1>so canonizing the word shit in Star Wars, it's we

785
01:01:26.960 --> 01:01:29.639
<v Speaker 1>now have to at least two I have to go

786
01:01:29.760 --> 01:01:33.280
<v Speaker 1>back and see how many times the word shit is

787
01:01:33.320 --> 01:01:38.760
<v Speaker 1>said in Star Wars now. And one thing I mentioned

788
01:01:38.760 --> 01:01:40.599
<v Speaker 1>at the very beginning of this review, and I want

789
01:01:40.599 --> 01:01:43.519
<v Speaker 1>to mention it now because it is part of the

790
01:01:43.599 --> 01:01:47.519
<v Speaker 1>Last Jedi and the one thing that is kind of

791
01:01:47.599 --> 01:01:50.880
<v Speaker 1>like and I and I said it before with Kylo Ren.

792
01:01:50.920 --> 01:01:58.039
<v Speaker 1>I think it's because the floodgates open. But we learn

793
01:01:58.280 --> 01:02:01.760
<v Speaker 1>that this being, this person at one point, even a

794
01:02:01.800 --> 01:02:11.440
<v Speaker 1>little girl that that right hears is herself. And this

795
01:02:12.840 --> 01:02:15.400
<v Speaker 1>is a darker version of herself. And we've seen this

796
01:02:15.480 --> 01:02:19.760
<v Speaker 1>darker version of herself in the Last Jedi or sorry,

797
01:02:19.800 --> 01:02:25.800
<v Speaker 1>excuse me, in the Rise of the Skywalker. In this book, though,

798
01:02:27.280 --> 01:02:32.679
<v Speaker 1>there's a moment where she kind of like welcomes them in,

799
01:02:34.880 --> 01:02:37.760
<v Speaker 1>like the think of think of Sherlock Holmes and like

800
01:02:37.800 --> 01:02:40.480
<v Speaker 1>the Mind Palace the BBC show and how he has

801
01:02:40.519 --> 01:02:44.480
<v Speaker 1>his own mind Palace. She creates her own mind palace

802
01:02:45.519 --> 01:02:47.559
<v Speaker 1>of Jack Coot, which I think is really cool. She

803
01:02:47.639 --> 01:02:51.679
<v Speaker 1>kind of recreates Jacku. She goes into her little at

804
01:02:51.840 --> 01:03:00.599
<v Speaker 1>eight and she welcomes her in and with them, and

805
01:03:00.760 --> 01:03:03.920
<v Speaker 1>there's a conversation and she's like, Okay, you guys are

806
01:03:03.960 --> 01:03:06.480
<v Speaker 1>going to be here and I'm going to go peace out.

807
01:03:07.280 --> 01:03:14.360
<v Speaker 1>And that is essentially her like making peace yep with

808
01:03:14.519 --> 01:03:19.440
<v Speaker 1>her enter demons. Essentially, There's a lot more that goes

809
01:03:19.440 --> 01:03:21.079
<v Speaker 1>into it. You'll have to read the story to really

810
01:03:21.159 --> 01:03:27.159
<v Speaker 1>understand it. But because of her making peace with her

811
01:03:27.280 --> 01:03:34.559
<v Speaker 1>entertamons again, why would she then see her evil self

812
01:03:34.920 --> 01:03:42.000
<v Speaker 1>in the last Jedi that I think Skywalker sorry, in

813
01:03:42.119 --> 01:03:45.440
<v Speaker 1>the Rise of Skywalker. And as I'm even saying, I

814
01:03:45.480 --> 01:03:49.400
<v Speaker 1>think I'm already coming up with with the with the

815
01:03:49.480 --> 01:03:54.280
<v Speaker 1>example or with the resolution to this, it might be

816
01:03:54.280 --> 01:04:04.599
<v Speaker 1>because of the just dark side essence of what she's

817
01:04:06.000 --> 01:04:11.920
<v Speaker 1>on that planet with the dagger looking for what she's

818
01:04:11.960 --> 01:04:13.039
<v Speaker 1>looking for.

819
01:04:13.639 --> 01:04:16.199
<v Speaker 2>Where the original spirit of Palpatine died.

820
01:04:16.480 --> 01:04:19.800
<v Speaker 1>Exactly the right around the corner. So so you're dealing

821
01:04:19.880 --> 01:04:23.000
<v Speaker 1>with a lot of dark side stuff, and you can

822
01:04:23.079 --> 01:04:31.079
<v Speaker 1>even explain the surpriseness of it because she essentially the

823
01:04:31.199 --> 01:04:33.639
<v Speaker 1>idea is hey, I made peace with you, why are

824
01:04:33.679 --> 01:04:37.199
<v Speaker 1>you here? Kind of surprise, so that.

825
01:04:37.559 --> 01:04:41.159
<v Speaker 2>But also remembering that her dark side self was kind

826
01:04:41.159 --> 01:04:46.079
<v Speaker 2>of her warning for when things were happening on Tython

827
01:04:46.679 --> 01:04:50.960
<v Speaker 2>and so kind of also like knowing, hey, why are

828
01:04:51.000 --> 01:04:54.400
<v Speaker 2>you here, but like also like hmmm, you're here, what's

829
01:04:54.440 --> 01:04:58.960
<v Speaker 2>going to happen? And then then comes right out, So.

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01:04:58.239 --> 01:05:02.320
<v Speaker 1>So that that does that does actually work out, so

831
01:05:03.679 --> 01:05:06.639
<v Speaker 1>again it it just it just takes me some time

832
01:05:06.719 --> 01:05:11.920
<v Speaker 1>to think it through. So so there is that.

833
01:05:13.599 --> 01:05:19.559
<v Speaker 2>We haven't talked about the first order rep in this book,

834
01:05:20.320 --> 01:05:22.440
<v Speaker 2>but I really don't think she needs a whole lot

835
01:05:22.480 --> 01:05:24.840
<v Speaker 2>of conversation. I didn't have a whole lot on her.

836
01:05:25.119 --> 01:05:28.480
<v Speaker 2>I felt like she has average first order but like

837
01:05:28.719 --> 01:05:31.199
<v Speaker 2>interested in kind of how the turn takes at the end,

838
01:05:31.400 --> 01:05:34.760
<v Speaker 2>which we won't talk about because that's too interesting.

839
01:05:34.960 --> 01:05:43.400
<v Speaker 1>But the thing with me is like they set her

840
01:05:43.639 --> 01:05:47.280
<v Speaker 1>up just like they kind of do in any and

841
01:05:47.400 --> 01:05:52.039
<v Speaker 1>all other Star Wars books. It's like, oh, I could

842
01:05:52.039 --> 01:05:53.760
<v Speaker 1>have gotten away with it too if it wasn't for

843
01:05:53.800 --> 01:05:56.639
<v Speaker 1>those meddling kids type of ordeal in the very beginning,

844
01:05:57.559 --> 01:06:00.639
<v Speaker 1>and like we know through the formula of every other

845
01:06:00.679 --> 01:06:04.639
<v Speaker 1>Star Wars book, they exact their revenge and then it

846
01:06:04.679 --> 01:06:08.880
<v Speaker 1>doesn't end up very well, and then you know whatever.

847
01:06:09.400 --> 01:06:13.840
<v Speaker 1>The only problem with this is, and this is a

848
01:06:14.000 --> 01:06:21.480
<v Speaker 1>very minor spoiler, she never interacts with our heroes, and

849
01:06:21.559 --> 01:06:27.760
<v Speaker 1>I think that is the bigger issue. But honestly, you

850
01:06:27.840 --> 01:06:34.000
<v Speaker 1>take her story out of this entire book, the book

851
01:06:34.320 --> 01:06:37.960
<v Speaker 1>is I think even better, more so because then you

852
01:06:38.000 --> 01:06:41.360
<v Speaker 1>can use those pages to elaborate more story like that.

853
01:06:41.519 --> 01:06:46.280
<v Speaker 2>I don't think you can take her story out because

854
01:06:46.519 --> 01:06:54.800
<v Speaker 2>of Zef's motivation, Jef and Gaff's motivation. It gives too

855
01:06:54.840 --> 01:06:58.559
<v Speaker 2>much backstory to them and why they're doing what they're doing.

856
01:07:02.280 --> 01:07:05.320
<v Speaker 2>There's nothing special about the Major.

857
01:07:06.639 --> 01:07:10.239
<v Speaker 1>Okay, yeah, even because even if I was gonna say, like, oh,

858
01:07:10.280 --> 01:07:12.960
<v Speaker 1>but what if you kind of just like never know

859
01:07:13.400 --> 01:07:17.639
<v Speaker 1>their motivation and then it just gets a little clunky.

860
01:07:18.119 --> 01:07:21.000
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, I hear what you're.

861
01:07:20.840 --> 01:07:24.559
<v Speaker 2>Saying, and I will say I do find it interesting.

862
01:07:24.639 --> 01:07:29.400
<v Speaker 2>This is the one interesting thing about the Major is

863
01:07:29.440 --> 01:07:33.719
<v Speaker 2>she actually volunteered for the First Order as a kid.

864
01:07:34.079 --> 01:07:39.800
<v Speaker 2>She was not kidnapped and taken off planet by the

865
01:07:39.840 --> 01:07:43.039
<v Speaker 2>First Order. She volunteered as the one interesting thing and

866
01:07:43.079 --> 01:07:46.480
<v Speaker 2>that's what makes the turn at the end that happens

867
01:07:46.880 --> 01:07:50.159
<v Speaker 2>so interesting. Again, I'm not gonna go into that because

868
01:07:50.960 --> 01:07:57.920
<v Speaker 2>that's a pivotal moment there. But that's what I have

869
01:07:58.000 --> 01:08:00.280
<v Speaker 2>to say about the major The only other thing that

870
01:08:00.400 --> 01:08:02.519
<v Speaker 2>I really wanted to talk about other than the thing

871
01:08:02.559 --> 01:08:04.559
<v Speaker 2>we're going to talk about at the very end where

872
01:08:04.599 --> 01:08:12.199
<v Speaker 2>we're going to disclaim spoilers about the second cameo is

873
01:08:12.320 --> 01:08:21.640
<v Speaker 2>Leya's visions. Oh yes, yes, I loved this concept because

874
01:08:22.159 --> 01:08:25.239
<v Speaker 2>in my head, we have, guys, we have a what

875
01:08:25.319 --> 01:08:27.319
<v Speaker 2>if episode coming up at the end of the year,

876
01:08:27.359 --> 01:08:31.279
<v Speaker 2>and I've been thinking about topics. The one thing that

877
01:08:31.359 --> 01:08:35.279
<v Speaker 2>I had so far before before even reading this book, guys,

878
01:08:35.520 --> 01:08:37.479
<v Speaker 2>the one thing I knew that I wanted to talk about.

879
01:08:38.199 --> 01:08:45.239
<v Speaker 2>What if Leya had ignored her vision about that her

880
01:08:45.560 --> 01:08:49.560
<v Speaker 2>bloodline would die whatever the exact vision was, like, she

881
01:08:49.680 --> 01:08:51.960
<v Speaker 2>needed to take care of her kids. Yes, so what

882
01:08:52.000 --> 01:08:53.479
<v Speaker 2>if she had ignored that bit a Jedi?

883
01:08:53.760 --> 01:09:00.600
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, in the last right, it was in the last Jediywalker. Oh,

884
01:09:00.600 --> 01:09:04.479
<v Speaker 1>that's right, because her lightsaber is introduced in the Rise

885
01:09:04.520 --> 01:09:09.239
<v Speaker 1>of Skywalker, they have the flashback. There is a moment

886
01:09:09.399 --> 01:09:13.159
<v Speaker 1>where Leah tells Luke, Hey, if I continue on with

887
01:09:13.239 --> 01:09:23.439
<v Speaker 1>my training, hm, we're all gonna die. Essentially, and we

888
01:09:23.560 --> 01:09:30.600
<v Speaker 1>get that what if episode here in little snippets, but like,

889
01:09:31.359 --> 01:09:37.840
<v Speaker 1>it's so fun because the way that they introduce it

890
01:09:37.880 --> 01:09:42.560
<v Speaker 1>into the story, there's no there's no warning, there is

891
01:09:42.600 --> 01:09:44.960
<v Speaker 1>no Oh Leah drifted off to sleep and then blah

892
01:09:44.960 --> 01:09:47.840
<v Speaker 1>blah blah blah. No, it's just boom. We're in this

893
01:09:48.039 --> 01:09:51.520
<v Speaker 1>middle of the thing, bins here, Ley is here, there's

894
01:09:51.560 --> 01:09:55.560
<v Speaker 1>a lightsaber fighting boom whoa, Leah wakes up. You're like,

895
01:09:55.600 --> 01:10:00.760
<v Speaker 1>what the yeah, ye exactly. There's just like there's all

896
01:10:00.800 --> 01:10:04.039
<v Speaker 1>these different things happening, and it happens I think a

897
01:10:04.079 --> 01:10:07.840
<v Speaker 1>total of three or four times in this book.

898
01:10:08.680 --> 01:10:09.239
<v Speaker 4>Uh.

899
01:10:09.960 --> 01:10:12.600
<v Speaker 1>I dig this a lot.

900
01:10:12.960 --> 01:10:17.479
<v Speaker 2>I loved it because again, I've wanted to know the

901
01:10:17.520 --> 01:10:19.520
<v Speaker 2>story and we don't want we don't get an ending,

902
01:10:19.760 --> 01:10:20.680
<v Speaker 2>we don't get.

903
01:10:20.479 --> 01:10:23.920
<v Speaker 1>That vision completely, we.

904
01:10:23.880 --> 01:10:28.560
<v Speaker 2>Don't get a complete vision here. I loved the what

905
01:10:28.680 --> 01:10:31.039
<v Speaker 2>if aspect and I love that Tython was kind of

906
01:10:31.039 --> 01:10:33.800
<v Speaker 2>playing with her, and in the same way it's playing

907
01:10:33.880 --> 01:10:39.720
<v Speaker 2>with Ray with Ray's visions about Ben about the Hunter,

908
01:10:40.359 --> 01:10:47.760
<v Speaker 2>really exploring hey, like what does that mean to you?

909
01:10:48.600 --> 01:10:50.479
<v Speaker 2>Like how does this help you grow as a person?

910
01:10:50.920 --> 01:10:54.960
<v Speaker 2>And in this Leah recognized that she could be that

911
01:10:55.079 --> 01:10:58.279
<v Speaker 2>Master ultimately, but it was not meant to be to

912
01:10:58.399 --> 01:11:08.800
<v Speaker 2>her son. It was meant to be to Ray. Whereas

913
01:11:08.880 --> 01:11:13.279
<v Speaker 2>Ray's vision is, hey, let me accept my dark side

914
01:11:14.079 --> 01:11:16.920
<v Speaker 2>and recognize that I can control it and I am

915
01:11:16.960 --> 01:11:21.920
<v Speaker 2>in charge. Yeah, And I just thought that was perfect.

916
01:11:25.359 --> 01:11:33.239
<v Speaker 1>So we we do have the moments with those visions,

917
01:11:33.920 --> 01:11:39.199
<v Speaker 1>and they kind of coincide with these conversations with Luke, right,

918
01:11:41.399 --> 01:11:47.760
<v Speaker 1>and like you said, it is a like, oh, we

919
01:11:49.600 --> 01:11:54.520
<v Speaker 1>basically lose. Luke says like, hey, stop thinking about the past.

920
01:11:54.520 --> 01:11:59.880
<v Speaker 1>It's already the past essentially. But my question is why

921
01:12:00.199 --> 01:12:07.319
<v Speaker 1>even show us what does this mean? Right? Have we

922
01:12:07.359 --> 01:12:11.159
<v Speaker 1>ever gotten something like this before? I don't think so,

923
01:12:11.600 --> 01:12:16.479
<v Speaker 1>like with any other Master in like it's the prequel

924
01:12:16.560 --> 01:12:22.399
<v Speaker 1>era or anything like, because like it's like, I guess

925
01:12:23.119 --> 01:12:28.680
<v Speaker 1>we haven't really had time quote unquote yeah with the

926
01:12:28.800 --> 01:12:34.159
<v Speaker 1>different eras of Star Wars, or at least Lucasfilm has

927
01:12:34.199 --> 01:12:38.840
<v Speaker 1>not given or Lucasfilm Publishing has not given anybody time

928
01:12:39.520 --> 01:12:46.159
<v Speaker 1>to really give anybody that power. I think it's fun.

929
01:12:46.760 --> 01:12:54.079
<v Speaker 1>And again, Lucas right, it's like, hey, well more, so

930
01:12:54.960 --> 01:13:01.640
<v Speaker 1>let me back up, because I was only ten chapters

931
01:13:01.680 --> 01:13:08.159
<v Speaker 1>in when Katie is like, oh, I have a theory,

932
01:13:09.359 --> 01:13:14.880
<v Speaker 1>A and I think your theory does have to deal

933
01:13:14.920 --> 01:13:20.000
<v Speaker 1>with these flashbacks Simma, right or no, no, no, oh, okay.

934
01:13:19.800 --> 01:13:23.079
<v Speaker 2>Well they have to deal with the Reed Silas quote

935
01:13:23.119 --> 01:13:26.399
<v Speaker 2>at the beginning with the forge and the font and

936
01:13:26.439 --> 01:13:30.760
<v Speaker 2>where actually the major is real is transferred in the

937
01:13:30.800 --> 01:13:34.880
<v Speaker 2>story as chesspeed. Yes, and we find out that Kylo

938
01:13:34.960 --> 01:13:38.319
<v Speaker 2>Rin is in the system and he's hunting for Jedi

939
01:13:38.439 --> 01:13:41.560
<v Speaker 2>facts and basically like history, he's been to Jedda.

940
01:13:42.119 --> 01:13:45.159
<v Speaker 1>He's Are you about to tell me that Ree Silas

941
01:13:45.279 --> 01:13:48.479
<v Speaker 1>is going to be the reason why Ben Solo comes back?

942
01:13:52.520 --> 01:13:55.960
<v Speaker 2>I don't think so, because he would not have had

943
01:13:56.000 --> 01:13:58.560
<v Speaker 2>the same quote about that.

944
01:13:58.880 --> 01:14:00.560
<v Speaker 1>I think, yeah.

945
01:14:03.079 --> 01:14:07.399
<v Speaker 2>I just think he knows. He probably found something on

946
01:14:07.520 --> 01:14:11.199
<v Speaker 2>Jetta that led him to chest Pea for the font,

947
01:14:12.399 --> 01:14:14.760
<v Speaker 2>and that is going to be the fall of Kylo

948
01:14:14.880 --> 01:14:18.720
<v Speaker 2>Rinn comic book that is coming out starting I believe

949
01:14:18.720 --> 01:14:19.439
<v Speaker 2>in September.

950
01:14:20.640 --> 01:14:32.880
<v Speaker 1>Yes, okay, that was my theory. Okay, because like I

951
01:14:32.880 --> 01:14:34.880
<v Speaker 1>was about to say, I was like, if Silas did

952
01:14:34.960 --> 01:14:39.560
<v Speaker 1>figure out a way to save somebody from the dark side,

953
01:14:43.039 --> 01:14:45.399
<v Speaker 1>that would be kind of cool. But again, like if

954
01:14:45.439 --> 01:14:51.079
<v Speaker 1>we're saving Ben, he's already saved from the dark side.

955
01:14:51.119 --> 01:14:54.399
<v Speaker 1>That doesn't necessarily it doesn't work that way. It doesn't

956
01:14:54.439 --> 01:15:00.720
<v Speaker 1>work that way. But yeah, like I I I really

957
01:15:00.760 --> 01:15:02.960
<v Speaker 1>did see. Now you're convincing me to put it in

958
01:15:02.960 --> 01:15:03.600
<v Speaker 1>my top five.

959
01:15:06.680 --> 01:15:10.920
<v Speaker 2>That's what I'm here for. I need y'all. I need

960
01:15:11.159 --> 01:15:16.319
<v Speaker 2>Madeline rue Rowe to write another Star Wars book because

961
01:15:16.359 --> 01:15:19.920
<v Speaker 2>her Brian her Brio Organa story in from a certain

962
01:15:19.960 --> 01:15:20.760
<v Speaker 2>point of view.

963
01:15:22.920 --> 01:15:32.119
<v Speaker 1>That was her Okay, okay, okay, sob okay okay. So

964
01:15:33.199 --> 01:15:38.760
<v Speaker 1>if that's the case, we've gotten an Organa story, We've

965
01:15:38.800 --> 01:15:47.319
<v Speaker 1>gotten a ray Lea story. If you were the deciding

966
01:15:47.399 --> 01:15:56.239
<v Speaker 1>factor on where she goes next, what would you have her? Right?

967
01:16:05.640 --> 01:16:10.279
<v Speaker 1>That's a tough question, yeah, like because you can't necessarily say, like, oh,

968
01:16:10.319 --> 01:16:15.199
<v Speaker 1>a race story because as of right now, unfortunately we

969
01:16:15.279 --> 01:16:22.199
<v Speaker 1>don't know the plans for ray right correct. And I

970
01:16:22.239 --> 01:16:26.920
<v Speaker 1>think this just puts a really really beautiful bow on

971
01:16:28.520 --> 01:16:31.119
<v Speaker 1>the sequel trilogy as we know it. I think it's

972
01:16:31.439 --> 01:16:37.560
<v Speaker 1>I think it does very very good. So what do

973
01:16:37.600 --> 01:16:38.680
<v Speaker 1>you think? What do you think?

974
01:16:39.800 --> 01:16:47.039
<v Speaker 2>I'm really off the top of my head, I'm feeling

975
01:16:49.239 --> 01:16:55.840
<v Speaker 2>m h. I kind of want to say, like a

976
01:16:55.880 --> 01:16:58.640
<v Speaker 2>Padme story, but I feel like we've gotten all of

977
01:16:58.680 --> 01:17:03.359
<v Speaker 2>the Padme stories. H I.

978
01:17:08.840 --> 01:17:18.600
<v Speaker 1>Mm hmmm. Is there We never really got a confirmation

979
01:17:18.680 --> 01:17:23.920
<v Speaker 1>of how long they train Luke and Leah, right.

980
01:17:24.000 --> 01:17:27.840
<v Speaker 2>I could see it, so we know it was six months.

981
01:17:27.880 --> 01:17:32.600
<v Speaker 1>Six months. We do know that for a fact. Yeah.

982
01:17:32.760 --> 01:17:42.239
<v Speaker 1>Could we get a story within those six months, a

983
01:17:42.479 --> 01:17:44.199
<v Speaker 1>Luke and leya adventure?

984
01:17:48.960 --> 01:17:54.119
<v Speaker 2>I don't think so. No, because they've kind of bookended

985
01:17:54.119 --> 01:17:59.760
<v Speaker 2>it already with the Star Wars comics and the Princess

986
01:17:59.760 --> 01:18:02.840
<v Speaker 2>and this scoundrel. Uh.

987
01:18:03.000 --> 01:18:04.640
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's a really tight.

988
01:18:05.079 --> 01:18:10.520
<v Speaker 2>Because she said in this story, I think it was

989
01:18:10.560 --> 01:18:19.640
<v Speaker 2>the story that she was growing Ben while they were training. Yeah,

990
01:18:20.680 --> 01:18:24.840
<v Speaker 2>so I feel like Battle of Jack who Star Wars

991
01:18:24.840 --> 01:18:28.720
<v Speaker 2>comic and the Princess and the Scoundrel kind of bookends that. Yeah,

992
01:18:28.760 --> 01:18:31.640
<v Speaker 2>it's very it's a very tight window.

993
01:18:32.279 --> 01:18:35.479
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, if that.

994
01:18:35.560 --> 01:18:38.359
<v Speaker 2>Is the case of where it was, I for some reason,

995
01:18:38.399 --> 01:18:40.600
<v Speaker 2>I have that she was pregnant with Ben while she

996
01:18:40.720 --> 01:18:46.199
<v Speaker 2>was training. I don't know that.

997
01:18:44.800 --> 01:18:50.800
<v Speaker 1>If that is the case, why not.

998
01:18:53.560 --> 01:18:59.920
<v Speaker 2>And Ahsoka story, Dave Filoni's not gonna let anybody touch Soka.

999
01:19:00.279 --> 01:19:04.479
<v Speaker 2>I have like stopped thinking about a potential Ofhsoka stories.

1000
01:19:05.000 --> 01:19:08.680
<v Speaker 2>I just don't think he's gonna let anybody touch her.

1001
01:19:09.840 --> 01:19:15.000
<v Speaker 2>Not especially especially after the and now I don't know

1002
01:19:15.039 --> 01:19:21.119
<v Speaker 2>if he considered this harsh reviews or like, I can't

1003
01:19:21.159 --> 01:19:24.479
<v Speaker 2>think of the word, but like, I don't think so

1004
01:19:25.039 --> 01:19:30.000
<v Speaker 2>because of like the Tales of the Jedi, Yeah, and

1005
01:19:30.079 --> 01:19:32.880
<v Speaker 2>like Ahsoka story crossover, he wants to be able to

1006
01:19:32.880 --> 01:19:38.800
<v Speaker 2>control her story, and so I just don't think, well,

1007
01:19:39.079 --> 01:19:45.760
<v Speaker 2>I think it's staring As in the face. Then yeah, yes,

1008
01:19:46.159 --> 01:19:50.880
<v Speaker 2>have her right reath Silas's story with Aslen Brell. Have

1009
01:19:50.960 --> 01:19:55.640
<v Speaker 2>that resolution right there. I think that's the plan.

1010
01:19:56.119 --> 01:20:02.039
<v Speaker 1>I think I think that is a solid plan. Okay,

1011
01:20:02.039 --> 01:20:03.359
<v Speaker 1>I think that would work out perfectly.

1012
01:20:03.520 --> 01:20:08.079
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, all right, so I think that takes us through everything.

1013
01:20:08.199 --> 01:20:09.399
<v Speaker 2>But the second cameo.

1014
01:20:09.720 --> 01:20:15.680
<v Speaker 1>Yes, so we're at an hour and nineteen minutes, give

1015
01:20:15.760 --> 01:20:18.119
<v Speaker 1>or take thirty seconds or so, depending on where I

1016
01:20:18.239 --> 01:20:21.279
<v Speaker 1>cut the this mention at the very beginning of the

1017
01:20:21.560 --> 01:20:24.800
<v Speaker 1>of the episode and the phone call I had to take,

1018
01:20:25.239 --> 01:20:27.560
<v Speaker 1>and the phone call I was kind of talking through it.

1019
01:20:27.560 --> 01:20:32.479
<v Speaker 1>So it's totally fine. I am going to give you

1020
01:20:32.520 --> 01:20:37.880
<v Speaker 1>guys ten seconds and then we are going to jump

1021
01:20:38.159 --> 01:20:46.159
<v Speaker 1>into the biggest cameo of this story. Ready nine eight seven, six,

1022
01:20:46.760 --> 01:20:54.000
<v Speaker 1>five four three two one, All right, spoilers right now,

1023
01:21:01.840 --> 01:21:09.840
<v Speaker 1>mother fucking Anakin Skywalker shows up in this book, Katie,

1024
01:21:10.359 --> 01:21:18.479
<v Speaker 1>in big bold, all caps, we thought he was gone

1025
01:21:18.760 --> 01:21:24.039
<v Speaker 1>for good. In the Shadow of Seth, there is a

1026
01:21:24.159 --> 01:21:31.840
<v Speaker 1>moment where Luke is having a very dramatic, very intense

1027
01:21:32.800 --> 01:21:41.399
<v Speaker 1>force fight with the dark Side and on tython, on tython,

1028
01:21:41.920 --> 01:21:48.720
<v Speaker 1>and then here comes Anakin Skywalker, like a superhero in

1029
01:21:48.800 --> 01:21:55.239
<v Speaker 1>a superhero movie in all white just boom scares off

1030
01:21:55.279 --> 01:22:01.720
<v Speaker 1>the dark Side basically and shows up. And it kind

1031
01:22:01.760 --> 01:22:05.720
<v Speaker 1>of like makes it seem like the way he's fading

1032
01:22:05.800 --> 01:22:10.279
<v Speaker 1>away in that story, that like he used so much

1033
01:22:10.399 --> 01:22:15.239
<v Speaker 1>energy yep, that he was gone for good. That's how

1034
01:22:15.279 --> 01:22:18.560
<v Speaker 1>we had spoken about it in our review. We're like, oh, man,

1035
01:22:18.600 --> 01:22:21.359
<v Speaker 1>that was like such a cool moment. It was, you know,

1036
01:22:21.439 --> 01:22:24.479
<v Speaker 1>his last hurrah, saving his son, all of this stuff,

1037
01:22:25.199 --> 01:22:32.399
<v Speaker 1>and then all of a sudden, Ray is dying. Basically. Uh.

1038
01:22:32.720 --> 01:22:35.000
<v Speaker 1>She she said, Hey, I'm gonna go for a walk

1039
01:22:35.039 --> 01:22:36.479
<v Speaker 1>and then never stopped.

1040
01:22:38.159 --> 01:22:41.520
<v Speaker 2>And on the top of a snowy mountain, freezing because

1041
01:22:41.520 --> 01:22:43.039
<v Speaker 2>she did not bring her jacket.

1042
01:22:43.520 --> 01:22:49.880
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and I love I love it because I guys, uh,

1043
01:22:50.000 --> 01:22:54.039
<v Speaker 1>Luke's film publishing and any in any and all future writers,

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<v Speaker 1>you cannot write Anakin Skywalker and not think that any

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01:23:03.680 --> 01:23:06.560
<v Speaker 1>real fan of Star Wars is not going to sniff

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<v Speaker 1>him out before his name is said.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, but like you're gonna laugh at me because it

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01:23:14.960 --> 01:23:18.079
<v Speaker 2>took me a hot minute. That was a good skyliker.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm listening.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm listening to the chapter today and I'm like, how

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01:23:31.359 --> 01:23:34.760
<v Speaker 2>did I miss it? How did I miss it? Because

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01:23:34.760 --> 01:23:40.119
<v Speaker 2>he like he goes through all these flashbacks of like pregnancy, marriage,

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01:23:42.359 --> 01:23:46.000
<v Speaker 2>growing up with his mom, hugging his mama, she died,

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01:23:46.279 --> 01:23:51.800
<v Speaker 2>like all these things, and I'm like, how did how?

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01:23:52.079 --> 01:23:56.079
<v Speaker 2>Why did I take so long to figure out that

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01:23:56.079 --> 01:23:57.279
<v Speaker 2>I was an a good skylooker?

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<v Speaker 1>But there was like one of the first things is

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01:24:06.119 --> 01:24:11.359
<v Speaker 1>stumbled towards him, he moved aside as he reached. As

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01:24:11.399 --> 01:24:14.720
<v Speaker 1>she reached his place between the trees, his robes reminded

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01:24:14.760 --> 01:24:19.520
<v Speaker 1>her of Luke and I immediately I was like, Anakin,

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01:24:19.640 --> 01:24:23.039
<v Speaker 1>you beautiful bastard. And then I was like, wait, is

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01:24:23.079 --> 01:24:27.279
<v Speaker 1>Obi wan Kenobi about to show himself to her? I

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01:24:28.960 --> 01:24:34.359
<v Speaker 1>was in between both and then warmer tones, brown and tan,

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01:24:35.239 --> 01:24:41.159
<v Speaker 1>young and handsome. I was like, is Obi showing himself

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01:24:41.199 --> 01:24:42.439
<v Speaker 1>as a young Obi?

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<v Speaker 4>Wan?

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<v Speaker 1>Like no? And then it said, of course ageless a

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01:24:49.479 --> 01:24:52.760
<v Speaker 1>scar slashed through his right eyebrow, and I was like, Anakin,

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01:24:52.920 --> 01:24:54.600
<v Speaker 1>you son of a bitch, welcome back.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, I totally missed that, but I think it

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01:25:00.279 --> 01:25:05.479
<v Speaker 2>was necessary because, like he flat out tells her you

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01:25:05.600 --> 01:25:09.800
<v Speaker 2>through the Crystal way, you don't need it back, Yeah,

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01:25:10.680 --> 01:25:18.359
<v Speaker 2>like you don't need it if you want it sure, And.

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<v Speaker 1>I will say I know a lot of people made

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01:25:21.800 --> 01:25:26.239
<v Speaker 1>debate on how they like, I would really love to

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01:25:28.920 --> 01:25:34.199
<v Speaker 1>like talk to Roe about this because the way he

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01:25:34.319 --> 01:25:41.279
<v Speaker 1>talks to her. I immediately thought Clone Wars Anakin Skywalker,

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01:25:41.920 --> 01:25:48.720
<v Speaker 1>not prequel Anakin Skywalker, not Revenge of the Sith Skywalker,

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01:25:49.079 --> 01:25:59.159
<v Speaker 1>not Hayden Christensen. I immediately thought Clone Wars. Yeah, like

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01:25:59.159 --> 01:26:02.520
<v Speaker 1>like this. I was like, this is fun. I really

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01:26:02.600 --> 01:26:05.960
<v Speaker 1>like this, which is crazy to think about it. Anakin

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01:26:06.159 --> 01:26:09.920
<v Speaker 1>super well, yeah she does, which is like, I'm pretty

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01:26:09.960 --> 01:26:17.720
<v Speaker 1>sure I'll have to go back. I think Anakin was

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01:26:18.560 --> 01:26:25.720
<v Speaker 1>written as a little bit older in Shadows of Sith.

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<v Speaker 2>But I think that goes back to the to what

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01:26:31.279 --> 01:26:35.600
<v Speaker 2>Luke says, and it may be that this happened, but

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01:26:35.800 --> 01:26:40.039
<v Speaker 2>how Luke says, you know, I've had I've had time,

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01:26:41.159 --> 01:26:42.760
<v Speaker 2>and time doesn't work the same.

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01:26:43.199 --> 01:26:46.439
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, did we get.

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<v Speaker 2>Anakin before he helped Luke in Shadows?

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<v Speaker 1>That's crazy. That is so crazy to think about.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, I think you could take that that way.

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01:27:04.039 --> 01:27:11.840
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that is so crazy. But I love this. I

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01:27:11.920 --> 01:27:19.239
<v Speaker 1>love this cameo. And I love this cameo because of

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01:27:19.960 --> 01:27:29.119
<v Speaker 1>the implications, because because I think even Ray no, no, no,

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01:27:29.119 --> 01:27:32.079
<v Speaker 1>it was Leah. Leah mentioned it near the end of

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01:27:32.159 --> 01:27:39.199
<v Speaker 1>the book about like, oh like because again talking about Ben.

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01:27:40.840 --> 01:27:44.039
<v Speaker 1>You can't just sway somebody from the dark side. It's

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01:27:44.079 --> 01:27:47.760
<v Speaker 1>not that easy. My father did it at the very

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01:27:47.880 --> 01:27:53.239
<v Speaker 1>end of his life, you know, type of ordeal. And

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01:27:54.760 --> 01:28:02.319
<v Speaker 1>I just love the implication of Anakin Skywalker himself talking

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01:28:02.399 --> 01:28:06.920
<v Speaker 1>to Ray because whenever Ray ever has a doubt in

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01:28:06.960 --> 01:28:15.439
<v Speaker 1>her mind, she can always remember Anakin freaking Skywalker, like

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01:28:15.880 --> 01:28:19.119
<v Speaker 1>of all people, he's the one that spoke to.

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01:28:20.439 --> 01:28:25.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. And it also makes that connection. At the end

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01:28:26.760 --> 01:28:30.039
<v Speaker 2>of the Rise of Skywalker, when you hear all those voices,

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01:28:30.079 --> 01:28:32.439
<v Speaker 2>people are like, well, what has she done to deserve that? Like,

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01:28:32.560 --> 01:28:36.560
<v Speaker 2>where is the connection there? Yeah, Anakin's already talked to

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01:28:36.600 --> 01:28:39.600
<v Speaker 2>her and he brought all his friends to come support her.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, beautiful, beautiful. I loved it, absolutely loved it.

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01:28:47.920 --> 01:28:52.479
<v Speaker 2>Perfect book, perfect ways to use Easter eggs and cameos

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01:28:52.560 --> 01:28:55.239
<v Speaker 2>to the benefit of a book without it feeling overdone.

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01:28:55.880 --> 01:28:56.359
<v Speaker 1>Mm hm.

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<v Speaker 2>And purposeful, totally purpose full to the book.

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<v Speaker 1>I agree. Uh And I think that's it. I think

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<v Speaker 1>that is for our review. I think we we left enough.

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<v Speaker 1>We we one. I do want to give a shout

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<v Speaker 1>out two quite possibly one of the coolest characters in

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01:29:25.399 --> 01:29:34.199
<v Speaker 1>this entire book. Uh Mika. Yeah, Micah, adorable little child.

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01:29:36.880 --> 01:29:43.560
<v Speaker 1>I don't even remember what species she is uh okay

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01:29:44.640 --> 01:29:49.359
<v Speaker 1>uh And it's Meeta, It's m E E p k

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01:29:49.840 --> 01:30:00.760
<v Speaker 1>a absolutely adorable. Completely reminds me of of amber Lain

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01:30:01.039 --> 01:30:06.399
<v Speaker 1>because she gets in all sorts of trouble. She thinks

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01:30:06.479 --> 01:30:08.479
<v Speaker 1>she's like on top of the world. She thinks she

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01:30:08.520 --> 01:30:15.119
<v Speaker 1>can do anything. And there was a really scary part

1126
01:30:15.159 --> 01:30:17.399
<v Speaker 1>at the end of this book, and I was like, you,

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01:30:17.560 --> 01:30:21.520
<v Speaker 1>son of a bitch, don't do it. But there's a resolution,

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01:30:21.720 --> 01:30:25.560
<v Speaker 1>there's there's like it is there's a resolution to it. Again,

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01:30:25.800 --> 01:30:29.560
<v Speaker 1>not gonna spoil it, but it was great. I I

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01:30:30.479 --> 01:30:33.039
<v Speaker 1>really really enjoyed this book. I'm now gonna have to

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01:30:33.079 --> 01:30:39.000
<v Speaker 1>sit down and actually see what my favorite books are.

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01:30:40.119 --> 01:30:41.800
<v Speaker 1>That's what we need to do like, do you see

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01:30:42.239 --> 01:30:45.079
<v Speaker 1>I'm sure you've seen them the tier lists.

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01:30:45.399 --> 01:30:46.439
<v Speaker 2>We've done it before.

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<v Speaker 1>We have done it before, that's right, we need to

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01:30:50.680 --> 01:30:53.279
<v Speaker 1>oh gosh.

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<v Speaker 2>At the end of the year, let's plan to do

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01:30:54.239 --> 01:30:54.560
<v Speaker 2>it again.

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01:30:55.159 --> 01:30:57.560
<v Speaker 1>Let's yeah, we'll have to plan to do it again

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01:30:58.439 --> 01:31:01.960
<v Speaker 1>this time with all of the books that we have

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01:31:02.000 --> 01:31:06.439
<v Speaker 1>currently read. Man, I need I need to go back

1142
01:31:07.960 --> 01:31:11.479
<v Speaker 1>and see because I can't remember if we did it

1143
01:31:11.520 --> 01:31:14.760
<v Speaker 1>on a live show or if we like recorded it.

1144
01:31:15.319 --> 01:31:19.920
<v Speaker 1>But but it was for sure an episode on the podcast. Yep,

1145
01:31:21.000 --> 01:31:24.399
<v Speaker 1>So we're we're gonna have to I'm gonna have to

1146
01:31:24.439 --> 01:31:28.199
<v Speaker 1>look to see what my old one was and really

1147
01:31:28.279 --> 01:31:31.720
<v Speaker 1>kind of reevaluate because man, this book was good. This

1148
01:31:31.800 --> 01:31:36.119
<v Speaker 1>book was good. Yeah. But yeah, guys, that does it.

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01:31:36.399 --> 01:31:41.880
<v Speaker 1>This is the end of the episode. Again, we do

1150
01:31:42.039 --> 01:31:46.640
<v Speaker 1>have other things. We are planning on being live next week.

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01:31:47.119 --> 01:31:52.039
<v Speaker 2>Not next week, not next week week after because we're

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01:31:52.039 --> 01:31:56.279
<v Speaker 2>talking about ayes like stars, we're doing that pre recorded.

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01:31:57.000 --> 01:32:00.520
<v Speaker 1>Ah, so yes, So this will be the first of

1154
01:32:00.680 --> 01:32:07.119
<v Speaker 1>two pre recorded episodes. So next week we will also

1155
01:32:07.199 --> 01:32:11.279
<v Speaker 1>have a pre recorded episode. I was like, Stars, get

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01:32:11.319 --> 01:32:17.920
<v Speaker 1>excited for it. But yeah, we have were reading guys,

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01:32:17.920 --> 01:32:21.000
<v Speaker 1>We're doing a lot of reading this week this month

1158
01:32:21.520 --> 01:32:25.399
<v Speaker 1>because we still also have trader for our Patreon for

1159
01:32:25.520 --> 01:32:28.920
<v Speaker 1>next month. So of course you can always find me

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01:32:29.000 --> 01:32:32.920
<v Speaker 1>at fanboy Clay on Instagram and threads. That's where I've

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01:32:32.920 --> 01:32:38.840
<v Speaker 1>been hanging out recently, so go check me out there tomorrow.

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01:32:40.000 --> 01:32:43.600
<v Speaker 1>By the time we're recording this tomorrow Sunday, Jake and

1163
01:32:43.640 --> 01:32:48.399
<v Speaker 1>I are finally recording an episode after almost a month.

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01:32:49.319 --> 01:32:54.680
<v Speaker 1>We're gonna be talking about, of course, Gavin Infinity, and

1165
01:32:54.760 --> 01:32:56.960
<v Speaker 1>of course we've kind of turned that into a like

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01:32:57.199 --> 01:33:00.520
<v Speaker 1>TCG talk in the beginning because those episod have been

1167
01:33:00.560 --> 01:33:03.079
<v Speaker 1>so short. But this episode we're gonna be covering like

1168
01:33:03.199 --> 01:33:05.079
<v Speaker 1>five different episodes, so I don't think we're gonna have

1169
01:33:05.199 --> 01:33:07.720
<v Speaker 1>much time to talk about Pokemon cards and all that,

1170
01:33:08.039 --> 01:33:12.119
<v Speaker 1>So go check that out. But the time you're listening

1171
01:33:12.119 --> 01:33:14.359
<v Speaker 1>to this, it's already been posted, so go have some

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01:33:14.439 --> 01:33:18.159
<v Speaker 1>fun with that. Katie. What about you, y'all?

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01:33:18.199 --> 01:33:21.079
<v Speaker 2>You can find me on most social media platforms. It's

1174
01:33:21.159 --> 01:33:25.760
<v Speaker 2>at Katie. Remember this show is on Instagram, Blue Sky

1175
01:33:25.880 --> 01:33:27.960
<v Speaker 2>and Threads at Star Wars Lights at the A and

1176
01:33:28.000 --> 01:33:30.399
<v Speaker 2>the war is very important, don't forget it. You can

1177
01:33:30.439 --> 01:33:32.720
<v Speaker 2>also take that username and put it in front of

1178
01:33:32.760 --> 01:33:35.279
<v Speaker 2>at gmail dot com and choose an email. If you

1179
01:33:35.319 --> 01:33:39.000
<v Speaker 2>guys read Legacy. We know this is being posted two

1180
01:33:39.000 --> 01:33:42.720
<v Speaker 2>weeks early, but if you guys read Legacy and want

1181
01:33:42.760 --> 01:33:46.000
<v Speaker 2>to share your thoughts, ask some questions, I would love

1182
01:33:46.039 --> 01:33:49.239
<v Speaker 2>to hear from you guys on Star Wars Legacy. Remember,

1183
01:33:49.600 --> 01:33:51.640
<v Speaker 2>like Clay said, we've got ays like stars next week

1184
01:33:51.680 --> 01:33:54.600
<v Speaker 2>that will be pre recorded. Then we will have these

1185
01:33:54.600 --> 01:33:58.319
<v Speaker 2>Star Wars Visions Manga soukomo I believe it is what

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01:33:58.319 --> 01:34:01.119
<v Speaker 2>it's called the following week and that will be our

1187
01:34:01.119 --> 01:34:06.119
<v Speaker 2>first live episode back. And then the following week we're

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01:34:06.159 --> 01:34:09.039
<v Speaker 2>going to be starting our talk on the ninth Jedi

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01:34:09.159 --> 01:34:13.399
<v Speaker 2>Visions presents the ninth Jedi Show. So with that, guys,

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01:34:13.439 --> 01:34:15.640
<v Speaker 2>I want to wish everyone a great day or night,

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01:34:15.760 --> 01:34:17.960
<v Speaker 2>whatever time of day you're listening or watching, and we

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01:34:17.960 --> 01:34:19.840
<v Speaker 2>will see y'all next time. May the Force be with

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<v Speaker 2>you