Speaker 1: Something's going to happen.
Speaker 2: What's going to happen?
Speaker 3: Help?
Speaker 4: This ought to be fun, This ought to be fun.
Speaker 4: I'm not really sure what to expect, to be frank
Speaker 4: with you, Cynthia said to me early earlier. Are these
Speaker 4: people friend or foe? I'm like, well, I'm pretty sure
Speaker 4: their friend. But hopefully there's enough foe to make it
Speaker 4: an interesting deep program. We'll find out really really quickly here.
Speaker 4: So I want to say hi to Kylie Dugan and
Speaker 4: Colleen Oberon, Rockfin and back over here on the other
Speaker 4: side of the house, which is YouTube and X and
Speaker 4: Rumble and folk and art for Right Terry Platform Odyssey
Speaker 4: and what's the other one here? I can't remember what
Speaker 4: the other one is, but anyway, we got a lot
Speaker 4: of folks over here. Let's say hi, super Galactic, the
Speaker 4: occult rejects in the house. I'm jt Estelle is here,
Speaker 4: Renee w Dead Wolf, Tribal Defender, Sadarian, Mike Rent Wrench Wrench,
Speaker 4: lots of.
Speaker 5: People filing in. Good to see.
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Speaker 4: So they are the occult rejects. We are following each
Speaker 4: other on Twitter. They do a lot of work with
Speaker 4: a lot of people that I know. So one, two, three, four, five,
Speaker 4: let's i've net. Don't think I've ever had that many
Speaker 4: people on the screen. So let's see how this goes.
Speaker 6: And it looks like we have.
Speaker 5: A lady here. We'll bring here on first.
Speaker 4: Hi, nice to see you, and we're just gonna bring
Speaker 4: everybody in and see what happens. See how I can
Speaker 4: get this, Uh, see how I can get this set
Speaker 4: up on the screen.
Speaker 5: What's the best way to do it? Hey guys, what's up?
Speaker 6: Hey you Nick?
Speaker 4: Nice to see you, Ethan Indigo, Nice to see you,
Speaker 4: are Mark, Nice to see you, TJ, Nice to see you,
Speaker 4: and a cult rejects Mad Scientist, Nice to see you.
Speaker 2: Nice see you.
Speaker 5: It's great to have you here. It took a little
Speaker 5: while to put this together.
Speaker 4: So why don't you folks just tell me, like my
Speaker 4: wife asked, are they friend or are they foe? Why
Speaker 4: don't we start out by just each of you going,
Speaker 4: ladies first, tell us in our audience who you are,
Speaker 4: what you do, and we'll start there.
Speaker 2: Okay. I am Lisa, So Lise and I have a background,
Speaker 2: academic background. I took a lot of biology courses, let's
Speaker 2: put it.
Speaker 5: That way, okay.
Speaker 2: And so I've been working with Nick on the occult
Speaker 2: rejecks and putting a lot of physiology, biology knowledge to
Speaker 2: some of these ancient texts, ancient occultists, mystics, any kind
Speaker 2: of practice that they were doing. There's a lot of
Speaker 2: symbology that's involved, and you see it being played out
Speaker 2: in a lot of the biology that we're seeing today too.
Speaker 4: So and Lise, I did watch some of the some
Speaker 4: of your episodes. You're very well spoken. I'm glad to
Speaker 4: have you with us. TJ.
Speaker 5: What's up with you? Brother?
Speaker 6: What's up?
Speaker 5: What's up?
Speaker 7: I'm TJ.
Speaker 8: I have a podcast called Contemporary Problems at Contemporary Problems Underscore.
Speaker 8: It's full of like philosophy and whimsy and and that
Speaker 8: all kind of thing and then with the Oacutt rejects,
Speaker 8: I'm a bit of a numerology and gematria and number wizard.
Speaker 5: How would you define whimsy?
Speaker 4: TJ?
Speaker 9: Uh?
Speaker 8: Free flowing fun. Uh, just magical, a little bit of
Speaker 8: sparkle in the air. Uh, just like open, like I
Speaker 8: don't really hold anything back and just kind of like
Speaker 8: let it, let it.
Speaker 6: I don't know.
Speaker 8: It's like a slightly spiritual, but more about having fun.
Speaker 8: Even if even if I am focusing on dark subjects
Speaker 8: or intense things, I can still always find a joke
Speaker 8: or find some sort of light.
Speaker 4: Absolutely well, let's let's strive to have a little whimsy
Speaker 4: here tonight. We got the the more academic side. From least,
Speaker 4: TJ's bringing some whimsy. And what can we look forward
Speaker 4: to to from you, mister Marx.
Speaker 10: I'm Robert or Robbie Marx. I go by our Marx. Generally,
Speaker 10: I'm an artist. I do a lot of stuff for
Speaker 10: bands and festivals and nice. Yeah, and generally while I'm
Speaker 10: doing the artwork, I'm listening to books for like the
Speaker 10: last thirty thirty five, So I do a lot of
Speaker 10: research into symbolism, color history, so just kind of whatever
Speaker 10: kind of you know, wroad, I end up wherever I am,
Speaker 10: you know.
Speaker 4: So yeah, very cool, very cool. Great to have you,
Speaker 4: Ethan Indigo, what's up with you? Brother?
Speaker 11: Honored to be here as well and researcher, and I've
Speaker 11: written several books on everything from the political to the spiritual,
Speaker 11: esoteric and exoteric, and I practice and teach taichi and
Speaker 11: I love exchanging ideas. So it's my honor to be here.
Speaker 11: Thanks for having.
Speaker 5: Us, Ethan. I just have started.
Speaker 4: I've been threatening for years and have looked a little
Speaker 4: bit for years, but I just actually have got into
Speaker 4: now the past two weeks a tai chi practice. I'm
Speaker 4: at like seven minutes, so I'm working up, but it
Speaker 4: really I'm sixty one, and I've really begun to see,
Speaker 4: even just in the couple of weeks, the fluidity that
Speaker 4: comes the move of your chi, your energy, your for all,
Speaker 4: whatever you call it. So tai chi great discipline, and
Speaker 4: we appreciate it. Can you just real quickly explain to
Speaker 4: the audience a difference between esoteric and exoteric?
Speaker 11: Well, often we find these kind of opposite sides of
Speaker 11: the coin in exploring cultural situations or even or spiritual teachings,
Speaker 11: where there can be a esoteric interpretation. It literally means
Speaker 11: the indoor teaching as opposed to the outdoor, but I
Speaker 11: think beyond that too, it can also differentiate from the
Speaker 11: base and the more higher minded. Interesting, so the exoteric
Speaker 11: being the more base interpretation.
Speaker 4: Right, one maybe for the initiate and one for the
Speaker 4: more public.
Speaker 11: Necessarily and also the more mundane interpretation, and the more
Speaker 11: higher not necessarily like limited to one group or another,
Speaker 11: but just kind of falling in that distinction because of
Speaker 11: maybe the lack of my mindedness to seek the more
Speaker 11: uh you know, quality interpretation and initiatory to your point.
Speaker 4: Excellent, Thank you, And last but not least, Nick the
Speaker 4: occult rejects.
Speaker 3: What's up?
Speaker 4: Brother?
Speaker 12: Thank you, thank you very much for having me on.
Speaker 12: I really appreciate it, my pleasure. One thing I do
Speaker 12: want to add, actually is believe it or not, this
Speaker 12: is like only half of us I would like to
Speaker 12: give to the other ones. I couldn't make it. That
Speaker 12: would be JJ vance, headless giant. He might be showing up.
Speaker 12: I think he's late. I did send up the link Jin,
Speaker 12: the Ninja, Teresa, Mike and Thrash.
Speaker 6: They're all you know, they couldn't make it.
Speaker 5: Whatever, But we came a little late too. Let's just sorry.
Speaker 12: No, I couldn't get every listen. I've never had everybody
Speaker 12: on to begin with. I think the most I've ever
Speaker 12: had was like seven at a time with the guests.
Speaker 12: But I didn't want to give a shout out to
Speaker 12: the rest of those, to the rest of the occult
Speaker 12: rejects that are not here, uh I myself, you know,
Speaker 12: and I hate to write off of it, but I guess,
Speaker 12: like you know, just part of my history is he
Speaker 12: was a member of the OTO, So I guess like
Speaker 12: in a sense.
Speaker 4: He could you tell the audience who the OTO is
Speaker 4: those that don't know.
Speaker 6: The Auto templey orientis.
Speaker 12: It was a it was a secret society that Theodore
Speaker 12: Ruth started and eventually Alista Curley took over. It was
Speaker 12: a Masonic kind of a offspring of the Masonic Masons,
Speaker 12: and then eventually House the Crowley came over and changed
Speaker 12: it to the Book of the Law, et cetera, et cetera.
Speaker 12: I was in that for probably about five or six years,
Speaker 12: and it just didn't match what I where I was
Speaker 12: going in life. There was just a lot of other
Speaker 12: things I didn't agree with, so I stopped going but
Speaker 12: you know, eventually I had my own magical experience, in
Speaker 12: my opinion a few times, you know, playing with magic,
Speaker 12: and when that happened, they just started to realize how
Speaker 12: I think prevalent occultism is in society and how much
Speaker 12: it's in our face. And then eventually started the show.
Speaker 12: The show started off with just me and a co host.
Speaker 12: Then eventually like that changed and then it was just
Speaker 12: me and other people. And eventually, uh, you know, I
Speaker 12: started finding myself working with a bunch of like really
Speaker 12: great people that I think we're all kind of aligned
Speaker 12: and just trying to study and pass it on. And
Speaker 12: at some point I was like, you know why, I
Speaker 12: just like get all these guys like just together, you know,
Speaker 12: and ladies, and uh, because myself included I, you know,
Speaker 12: and the reason I even brought up the otos And
Speaker 12: when I look at magic, I will admit that unfortunately
Speaker 12: it does have a Q to it because that's what
Speaker 12: I was used to and that was around me.
Speaker 6: I don't know everything else.
Speaker 12: So that's why I got all these other gangsters with me,
Speaker 12: so they can cover aspects that I'm met that good on. So, uh,
Speaker 12: I guess that's where the show is now. So you know,
Speaker 12: not like you know, it's not all about me, It's
Speaker 12: about everybody else too that brings to the show.
Speaker 5: Absolutely, Lease.
Speaker 4: Why is it that we don't see a lot of
Speaker 4: ladies involved in this type of a work. I've really
Speaker 4: tried to go out of my way to try to
Speaker 4: get some more ladies on what I call the deep program,
Speaker 4: but it's very hard to find any What do you
Speaker 4: think the deal is with that?
Speaker 2: When you say on here, what specific like field in our.
Speaker 4: Whole in our whole genre of this whole truth or
Speaker 4: type of genre, it seems like we have a real
Speaker 4: dearth of females and at least in what I've seen.
Speaker 5: Maybe I'm wrong, but that's kind of my observation.
Speaker 2: No, I think I think there is somewhat of truth
Speaker 2: what you're saying. I think a lot of it too.
Speaker 2: Is potentially the girls that I know that are in
Speaker 2: the truth or community are bad asses to say the least,
Speaker 2: and that they have thick skin and they can stand
Speaker 2: to be criticized and and basically put stick their neck
Speaker 2: out there. It's it does take a huge amount of
Speaker 2: courage to do this, just bare bones. And the other
Speaker 2: thing is that when you're on the Internet, everything is public,
Speaker 2: everything comes out. You know, everybody wants to know where
Speaker 2: you're at, where you live, what you do. And I
Speaker 2: wonder how much of that is potentially a safety factor
Speaker 2: or an intimidation factor. But like I said, the girls
Speaker 2: that I do know that are in the truth or community,
Speaker 2: regardless if we agree on, you know, the outlook of
Speaker 2: how they look at it, they are bad asses, and
Speaker 2: so I think that has a lot to do with it.
Speaker 4: Well, I think there's definitely an aspect of the safety
Speaker 4: thing for sure, and I think, you know, we have
Speaker 4: plenty of time, will go wherever you guys want.
Speaker 5: But my quest I want to ask you a question, Lise.
Speaker 5: You know, with this whole.
Speaker 4: Ortho Bros Thing, this whole hyper masculine Christianity thing, blaming
Speaker 4: seemingly white ladies for everything, what do you think to
Speaker 4: deal is with that?
Speaker 2: You mean passing the buck on to the female aspect
Speaker 2: of society.
Speaker 4: I mean, basically, there's this, you know, I call them
Speaker 4: the Ortho Bros, the Eastern Orthodox guys and the Christians
Speaker 4: to a lesser extent, But it's all about all of
Speaker 4: the problems in society are from white women, and you know,
Speaker 4: women should just hush up, be submissive to the men,
Speaker 4: and if you don't have your woman under control, then
Speaker 4: you're a little simp. I think it's strictly from Judeo
Speaker 4: Christian nonsense. I just wondered, as you know, obviously being
Speaker 4: a lady yourself, what you thought about it.
Speaker 2: I think, and I may be a little bit out
Speaker 2: of my element in saying this, but I think that
Speaker 2: that is a tale as old as time. It is
Speaker 2: you're getting to the shamans in Peru or you're talking
Speaker 2: to Judeo Christian belief system, women are always somewhat place
Speaker 2: in a lesser role, and I think a lot of
Speaker 2: it has to do, in my opinion, one hundred percent bias.
Speaker 2: Opinion is that most of these types of teachings, whether
Speaker 2: it is shamanism or whether it is on the quest
Speaker 2: for searching for the Christ consciousness, there comes a time
Speaker 2: where you have to sacrifice a lot, whether it is
Speaker 2: through fasting, whether it's through abstinence or anything like that.
Speaker 2: And I think that comes easier for a female, so
Speaker 2: to speak. And so I wonder how much of that
Speaker 2: that plays in, because life comes from the female, and
Speaker 2: therefore it might be a bias and you know. I again,
Speaker 2: I would say that that would be it. But when
Speaker 2: you're talking about actual ethnicity of white women, I will
Speaker 2: say that most white women, in terms of looking at
Speaker 2: the entire spectrum of ethnicity and racial profiling, it has
Speaker 2: been white women that have stuck their knock out, their
Speaker 2: neck out and try to ask for voter rights, for law,
Speaker 2: what is it land buying and land rights and whatever.
Speaker 2: Being in the female so I think they are at
Speaker 2: the forefront. They are basically at the front line, whereas
Speaker 2: in other cultures I am Hispanic, in other culturals Hispanic
Speaker 2: women at least, I'll say this, they have found other
Speaker 2: ways to accomplish what they want to accomplish by moving
Speaker 2: the family forward, whereas they have probably been further in
Speaker 2: a different way at the forefront, moving the feminine ideology forward.
Speaker 4: Absolutely, and anybody can jump in on this, But to me,
Speaker 4: it seems like they are they being the orthobrotypes. Number one,
Speaker 4: they're afraid of females. Number two, I think they may
Speaker 4: be compensating for something. And third, I think it's really,
Speaker 4: in my opinion, a direct attack at the ancient priestess,
Speaker 4: the ancient oracles, and the dynamic, powerful females that I've
Speaker 4: always been, in my at least in my opinion and
Speaker 4: my experience, my study, you know, very common to the heathen, pagan,
Speaker 4: non Christian ways, and I think there's a little bit
Speaker 4: of fear in that. What does everybody else think on this?
Speaker 4: In this nice see headless giants showing up.
Speaker 13: It's good to see you too, Jeff, if I could
Speaker 13: pop in. I think it's because they don't really see
Speaker 13: the feminine is having a defined role, just as it
Speaker 13: was talking about in the Hispanic cultures. Women in those
Speaker 13: cultures have a defined role and they're they're you know,
Speaker 13: they excel at that role. You know, they're admired for
Speaker 13: that role. In our society, you know, with white women,
Speaker 13: they're they're expected to be so many different things that
Speaker 13: really it's it's nothing feminine that they have a role in.
Speaker 13: So the Ortho bros. Are like, well, we can't have
Speaker 13: them as speakers because that'll, you know, offset us. More
Speaker 13: more guys will be paying attention to them, then they'll
Speaker 13: pay attention to us.
Speaker 1: So that is a threat.
Speaker 13: And there's there's several other ways in which you know,
Speaker 13: they don't really fit into this whole red pill paradigm,
Speaker 13: you know. And I think in a lot of ways,
Speaker 13: what the Christians are expressing is something that has come
Speaker 13: along with the kind of first second, third wave feminism,
Speaker 13: is that, you know, women are just now finding themselves
Speaker 13: in the conservative movement to have a real legitimate role
Speaker 13: as the feminine protectors of femininity, you know. I mean
Speaker 13: they've basically just discovered that since the Biden administration, when
Speaker 13: it was obvious that you know, femininity is being pushed
Speaker 13: off for this sort of fake tangential thing that's going
Speaker 13: on with the you know, third or fourth wave feminism.
Speaker 13: So I think women are coming back into that role.
Speaker 13: And as we see that expand, I think, I mean,
Speaker 13: Christianity is probably still not going to respect him, but
Speaker 13: at the very least, there will be a lot more
Speaker 13: admirable qualities coming out of a very defined set of
Speaker 13: roles that they play into.
Speaker 5: Absolutely anybody else have something to weigh in on this.
Speaker 11: I was going to say that an example of the
Speaker 11: obsession with gender, or the institutionalization of controlling via gender,
Speaker 11: is an example of an exoteric interpretation, right, Trying to
Speaker 11: enforce these outer modalities onto others is really base, whereas
Speaker 11: internalizing the overcoming the feminine and masculine things that we
Speaker 11: all have going on is an example of the kind
Speaker 11: of esoteric or internal process. So I think it's such
Speaker 11: a simple thing, but society is hell bent on an
Speaker 11: obsession with gender and to your point, kind of quiet
Speaker 11: or overt control via gender.
Speaker 4: Absolutely anything to add on that, Nick TJ. Robbie, I
Speaker 4: think you said, mister Mark.
Speaker 8: Sorry, I was going to just say that I agree
Speaker 8: that I think it is that there is an attack
Speaker 8: on the feminine and the feminine energy and the like
Speaker 8: divine goddess or like just that whole kind of thing.
Speaker 8: In my studies, in reincarnation, you have to pass a
Speaker 8: certain kind of you go through like you start as
Speaker 8: a rain drop, blade of grass, then you a bug
Speaker 8: or whatever you move up the food chain.
Speaker 7: But one of the highest.
Speaker 8: Honors to be reincarnated is is to be reincarnated as
Speaker 8: a woman. That you will first be reincarnated as a
Speaker 8: human most likely like ninety like a very high percentage
Speaker 8: that you're going to be reincarnated as a man, and
Speaker 8: you have to pass certain tests before.
Speaker 4: Brought me froze up on us. But that's fascinating, fascinating, Nick,
Speaker 4: are you gonna add.
Speaker 5: Something to that.
Speaker 12: I will admit that I do think, in my opinion,
Speaker 12: the idea of the feminine energy or even how that
Speaker 12: works when it comes to occultism, you know, even amongst
Speaker 12: actual occultists or or just the general public's idea of
Speaker 12: magic and occultism and witchcraft and all that stuff. I
Speaker 12: do think it's overlooked. I do think it's not quite understood.
Speaker 12: I do think some of the secrets, the secrets actually
Speaker 12: can be like really found in some of the archetypes
Speaker 12: of femininity, you know, even like you know, the whole
Speaker 12: idea of the scarlet horror just is a way to
Speaker 12: paint paint paint in a really deep occult idea in
Speaker 12: a certain light that you won't look at.
Speaker 6: It in the right way and they'll just think it's
Speaker 6: sexual or bad.
Speaker 12: So, you know, I just I just do think that
Speaker 12: there is a there is a lot of things, even
Speaker 12: in symbolism in art that I think try to neither
Speaker 12: try to hide in a sense to.
Speaker 4: The importance absolutely, mister Mark's anything to add on that, Oh, I.
Speaker 10: Just think it's interesting. You know, you back into the
Speaker 10: beginnings of many histories around the world, and traditionally they're
Speaker 10: all based around this uh divine androgin that is both
Speaker 10: male and female. You have various stories through time, you know,
Speaker 10: of Zeus splitting the sexes, this whole idea that you know,
Speaker 10: man is from one planet, women's from another. It inherently,
Speaker 10: you know, the woman has all the necessary factor for reproduction.
Speaker 10: The man just adds variation.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 10: You can get into the stories of parthogenesis, the stories
Speaker 10: of various you know, demasculated gods, and and it's just
Speaker 10: interesting how gender and sex through all of time seems
Speaker 10: to be some sort of an inherent factor of both
Speaker 10: being as one but being broken and needing each other
Speaker 10: for the purpose of propagation and moving and though bringing
Speaker 10: forth further life.
Speaker 5: Is that such a bad thing, needing each other?
Speaker 10: I don't think so, you know, I think there's a
Speaker 10: necessary function and just in regard to propagation and creation.
Speaker 10: And you know, some people even speculate that the G
Speaker 10: in the Masonic you know logo is for generation. It's
Speaker 10: the secret of creating this wellspring of life itself that
Speaker 10: facilitates you know, all of reality.
Speaker 4: Interesting. Interesting, now, Nick, you said you had a background
Speaker 4: in ceremonial magic. I also had it, did some dabbling
Speaker 4: in ceremonial magic, was actually initiated into a magical order.
Speaker 5: Anybody else in the panel.
Speaker 4: Had ever been through an initiation into a magical order.
Speaker 7: No, but I've had lots of experiences.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was very very interesting. I was initiated into
Speaker 4: a Triscalian magical order. The guy that ran it was
Speaker 4: a Freemason, so imagined the initiation was super duper freemason
Speaker 4: esque and it kind of freaked me out. I did
Speaker 4: it because I thought it might be a way to
Speaker 4: open up to some new understandings, new teachings, maybe you know,
Speaker 4: new abilities, But basically it just really really freaked me out.
Speaker 4: My wife was their assisting, she was part of the
Speaker 4: part of the initiation, and I found it to be
Speaker 4: very very unsettling. Nick, did your experience prove unsettling ultimately
Speaker 4: and that's why you're not in it?
Speaker 5: Or I don't know what you want to share?
Speaker 11: Uh?
Speaker 12: I mean there was, Yeah, there was things that was
Speaker 12: probably not really comfortable with at least one or two
Speaker 12: of the initiations, but I mean there was just even
Speaker 12: just certain things that was going on on in the
Speaker 12: lodge itself. It started getting well, one it crumbled at
Speaker 12: the CDC. When COVID hit, you know, they started getting
Speaker 12: like a little kind of openly political, and you were
Speaker 12: to that they were listen. Just my opinion, I think
Speaker 12: both sides are gonna screw this. It doesn't matter who
Speaker 12: we pick. But they were leaning towards the left, and
Speaker 12: they could have leaned far right and I would have
Speaker 12: thought they were fucking annoying. So I mean, uh, I
Speaker 12: you know, I let you know. That was one of
Speaker 12: the reasons why. But uh, there was definitely things. I
Speaker 12: mean what I mean, I'll just be honest with In
Speaker 12: the first degree, I know, Uh, one of them I
Speaker 12: did to get completely naked, So I mean that that
Speaker 12: was I was.
Speaker 5: I was completely naked to it.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it was.
Speaker 13: So yeah, question there, Jeff. Uh you said Triscalion order.
Speaker 13: It's not like this, uh the Sicily flag with Medusa
Speaker 13: on it or is that?
Speaker 4: No, it was more the the Triscalian Uh. If you're
Speaker 4: familiar with the uh, like the Celtic representations of the Trinity,
Speaker 4: that's what it looks like. And they were they called
Speaker 4: themselves the Triscalian Order. It was, you know, pretty much
Speaker 4: a standard I think, uh, you know, ceremonial magic order.
Speaker 4: You know, we did the Greater and Lesser vanishings and
Speaker 4: all of the typical ceremonial magic.
Speaker 5: Nick laughs because you.
Speaker 4: Know they are kind of funny. But one thing I
Speaker 4: did discover, Nick, that was realist. And a lot of
Speaker 4: people that think they're doing magic, they never they practice
Speaker 4: horrible magical hygiene and they always leave everything open and
Speaker 4: stuff can just come in and out. And well, if
Speaker 4: you're gonna do that stuff, you want to at least
Speaker 4: finish it off and close it off and do some uh,
Speaker 4: you know.
Speaker 5: What I would call magical hygiene.
Speaker 4: So anyway, and I don't want to be, you know,
Speaker 4: the one, you know, leading this. Everybody just feel free
Speaker 4: to throw stuff out. Anybody has questions for me, comments, criticisms.
Speaker 4: Let's just have a good time tonight. And if we
Speaker 4: get a little whimsical, like TJ said, that's okay too.
Speaker 5: And speaking of whimsy.
Speaker 4: Have you all ever seen or watched the TV show Supernatural?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 13: I haven't.
Speaker 4: Uh we can tell you the smart one is Lease
Speaker 4: has watched it. It is campy, but man, they dropped
Speaker 4: some bombs in there, some truth bombs.
Speaker 2: I will say that it's interesting because I've I've dabbled
Speaker 2: in looking into a little bit of angelology and a
Speaker 2: little bit of demonology and whatever, just as a curiosity,
Speaker 2: you know, in terms of when people talk about certain
Speaker 2: things like what is that? You know, what? What am
Speaker 2: I what? What are they trying to convey? And when
Speaker 2: I started watching Supernatural, I was like, wow, that's kind
Speaker 2: of accurate according to what I had read, right, and
Speaker 2: granted what I read could have been you know, manufactured
Speaker 2: as well, but according to what I had read and
Speaker 2: the things that they were saying, I was like, wow,
Speaker 2: that's really that's kind of accurate.
Speaker 4: So they go deep on there, angelology, demonology, they go
Speaker 4: into showing what's.
Speaker 2: That a lot of the lore behind some.
Speaker 4: Absolutely and they even go into showing that the Bible
Speaker 4: God's a real asshole, which was right up my alley.
Speaker 4: So just a tremendous I think. I think a lot
Speaker 4: of a lot of disclosure, and this always brings up
Speaker 4: a question that I have. You know, we all say
Speaker 4: that Hollywood has to bring disclosure and whoever they are,
Speaker 4: have to tell us what they're doing. I know there's
Speaker 4: some of that, but like I think Ethan said, he's
Speaker 4: written several books, I've written fourteen fifteen books, and I know,
Speaker 4: as an author, you're always looking for ideas, pulling ideas
Speaker 4: out of the ether. And I've often thought that it's
Speaker 4: not necessarily a cult plan of disclosure. But these ideas
Speaker 4: are in the ether, and creative people, writers will pull
Speaker 4: it down not knowing what it is sometimes and it
Speaker 4: just gets out there in the mainstream just via the
Speaker 4: creative process, and it doesn't necessarily have to be an
Speaker 4: Illuminati plot.
Speaker 5: Thoughts.
Speaker 10: So I've been studying the mother goddess Kaybel or Kabeli,
Speaker 10: and there's this whole inherent stream of thought through history
Speaker 10: going back into the Cassandra. In these they were called
Speaker 10: the roaming Hellenis. They were basically like roaming prophets, and
Speaker 10: that kind of moved into the Kybele or the Sibyl
Speaker 10: and the Sibilian Oracle. You've always had these things that
Speaker 10: people have been in touch with that that somehow bringing
Speaker 10: you know, in with Kybele or Kybelli. It ended up,
Speaker 10: you know, going from Southeast Asia all the way to
Speaker 10: the you know, the Palatine Hill in Rome, you know,
Speaker 10: with her having the main temple over all the other gods,
Speaker 10: so you know, all relating to this kind of a
Speaker 10: you know prophecy. So there's there's been this consistent tapping
Speaker 10: into this uh, this unseen that has affected governments and
Speaker 10: artists and musicians and and various people that are open too.
Speaker 13: Hold on, Robbie, I got a question real quick, Jeff,
Speaker 13: have you heard the mythology behind Addis?
Speaker 10: So Addis it gets into the founding of the Freemasons.
Speaker 10: They were basically worshiping the first death of Osiris. He
Speaker 10: came down the river in Biblos in the Phoenician city,
Speaker 10: and basically it gets into Adonis and the Aphrodite tied
Speaker 10: in there as well. But it was the idea that
Speaker 10: it was either Jupiter. I've seen other cases where it
Speaker 10: was Zeus. That basically, yeah, it was obsessed.
Speaker 13: In this book from the second century a d. They're
Speaker 13: talking about osiris worship and ICE's worship that was alive
Speaker 13: and well in Rome.
Speaker 10: Oh yeah, yeah, but it had channeled up through these
Speaker 10: different veins they were it was all really back to
Speaker 10: the Osiris worship, but in different forms. So with Addis,
Speaker 10: basically some seamen spilled on a rock because the god
Speaker 10: lusted after Mother Rhea or Kybelli or you know, the
Speaker 10: mother of all the gods, basically, and this produced this
Speaker 10: adjustus character that was kind of you know, wild, and
Speaker 10: but nonetheless that into the go ahead.
Speaker 13: The Dionysians were in that same category.
Speaker 10: Dionysians. Yes, they carried Addis away and that flowed into
Speaker 10: the Bakian cults as well, that flowed back into Mother
Speaker 10: Kybell you know.
Speaker 13: These different cities and just burned the places down.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, with these prophecies.
Speaker 10: It was very much like the Benajesert witches in Doune,
Speaker 10: how they like, you know, before they would go to war,
Speaker 10: before they would get married. But Thagoras, that's how he
Speaker 10: ended up getting his name was his parents went through
Speaker 10: there in the Pythian oracle, said you know, you're going
Speaker 10: to have a son that's a great man. So they
Speaker 10: named it after the python Fagarus. But this, this this
Speaker 10: mystical kind of bleeding between some sort of etheric form
Speaker 10: into the reality that we have has been something that
Speaker 10: people have been participating with as far as you go
Speaker 10: back in the Timescape.
Speaker 4: Absolutely absolutely mafia say it again, you're like a sex mafia.
Speaker 13: They go from town to town getting drunk and fucking all
Speaker 13: over everything.
Speaker 10: Bringing chaos and direct and oh yeah, and there's a
Speaker 10: lot of links between that and the forward thinking of
Speaker 10: what became of the Illuminatus and the revolutionary and.
Speaker 13: Is a direct result of these sex mafia cults.
Speaker 1: And they were into drugs.
Speaker 13: That's what we talked about in Greek.
Speaker 10: Yeah, the very last tableum of Mother ky Bell is
Speaker 10: actually where they built the Vatican on top.
Speaker 4: Of absolutely absolutely might mentioned chaos. I just came across
Speaker 4: something the other day, Marina Abramovic. I don't know how
Speaker 4: early or how old this is, but speaking of Donald
Speaker 4: Trump as being a great and powerful chaos magician, what
Speaker 4: does the panels have to say about that?
Speaker 13: I think that's close to the truth that you're going
Speaker 13: to get. I mean, like all the symbols just keep
Speaker 13: lying again, Yeah, I got, It's.
Speaker 3: Just like must be in dark maga, and that's true.
Speaker 4: I never I didn't catch that. That's right, the dark maga.
Speaker 10: And that gets into the magi high levels of the magician.
Speaker 4: Come on, yeah, so, Ethan, is Trump trying to take
Speaker 4: some esoteric knowledge and exotericize it a little bit?
Speaker 11: Well, I don't think any. I definitely am not the
Speaker 11: one to predict what Trump is doing or presume that
Speaker 11: I know what he's doing. But I do think he
Speaker 11: is wildly more intellectual and smarter than people give him
Speaker 11: credit for. I say this based on, of course, just
Speaker 11: some things that he's done, but also some of the
Speaker 11: behind the scenes recordings that as he was doing speeches,
Speaker 11: what he was talking himself and the people there through,
Speaker 11: he was very mindful of his performative nature and how
Speaker 11: he was influencing it appeared to me. So I think
Speaker 11: I think he's definitely smarter than people than most people
Speaker 11: give him credit for. And I mean he's doesn't He
Speaker 11: have a golden apollo and a golden toilet, and he's
Speaker 11: got several esoteric paintings and statues.
Speaker 4: Lee says, give us a female perspective on Trump and
Speaker 4: what he's doing more active than just Trump.
Speaker 2: I'll give you my perspective of it. Okay, femails feel
Speaker 2: but from my feminine perspective, I think everything about him
Speaker 2: is a contradiction, and that is probably why they say
Speaker 2: what they say about chaos. I one hundred percent agree
Speaker 2: with Ethan that he is way more intelligent and way
Speaker 2: more intellectual than what he may even portray himself to be.
Speaker 2: But the other thing is that there is no policy,
Speaker 2: there is no executive order. There is no stance that
Speaker 2: he had himself has said that there is actual direct
Speaker 2: contradiction to it in itself. He is running as a Republican.
Speaker 2: He was a longtime Democrat. He is talking about he's
Speaker 2: for the people. He lives up in New York at
Speaker 2: the top of the tower. He talks about how he
Speaker 2: wanted to buy Greenland, Canada and Mexico. And yet you're
Speaker 2: running under a conservative ticket where we believe that conservatives
Speaker 2: have the ideology that there is less government with conservative
Speaker 2: type politicians. Yet you are enforcing more of that with
Speaker 2: the purchase and kind of bringing in an entire empire.
Speaker 2: The other thing is, you know, going back to the
Speaker 2: pandemic or anything like that, he was giving people the
Speaker 2: illusion of choice, yet it was mainly him and most
Speaker 2: of his constituents that were paying for the actual processing
Speaker 2: and facilitation. So anything about him, I think there is
Speaker 2: some sort of flip of a coin and and it
Speaker 2: and it's always reveals the opposite head, but it's still
Speaker 2: the same coin.
Speaker 4: Absolutely, he almost seems Lokian in some aspects, hasn't He Yes.
Speaker 2: Very much, so, very much so, And I mean it's
Speaker 2: not he he is entertaining He is an entertainer. That's
Speaker 2: the other thing. He portrays himself as a politician, but
Speaker 2: he is one hundred percent entertainer, and let's let's be honest.
Speaker 2: Even CNN missed him. I mean, their their ratings did
Speaker 2: much better when he was in office. Everyone had something
Speaker 2: to say, something to talk about, whereas when Biden was
Speaker 2: in I felt like the Democrats may have gotten into
Speaker 2: a potentially like I don't know, like they rested on
Speaker 2: their laurels, like this false sense of security in that, Okay,
Speaker 2: we our guy's in the oval, and so we don't
Speaker 2: have to worry about anything. But when when Trump is
Speaker 2: in there, it's almost like everyone is paying attention, everyone
Speaker 2: is criticizing, everyone has an opinion, and so everyone is
Speaker 2: part anticipating. So with Maria saying what Marina would, she said, Yes,
Speaker 2: I agree with her in that at this point, everyone's
Speaker 2: paying attention and everyone's opinion is across the spectrum.
Speaker 5: Well, it's definitely interesting.
Speaker 4: We do live in interesting times, and I was on
Speaker 4: the Trump train.
Speaker 5: I'm very much off the Trump train.
Speaker 4: But just to sit there and watch the guy, I
Speaker 4: almost have to control myself not to get back into him,
Speaker 4: because he's a master at what he does.
Speaker 5: He's a master at what he does.
Speaker 4: Somebody else throw out a subject that you want to
Speaker 4: talk about.
Speaker 13: Why is it that the most successful Republicans of all
Speaker 13: time are all former Democrats?
Speaker 10: Ah?
Speaker 4: Good point, because it doesn't really matter. The uniparty, the unifort,
Speaker 4: two wings of the same dirty bird. In my opinion, DJ,
Speaker 4: you're awfully quiet. What's going on? Brother?
Speaker 5: What do you got on your mine? I think you're muted?
Speaker 6: You muted the TJ.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there we go, and that is frozen.
Speaker 8: He's struggling with connection the whole presentation at LISTA like
Speaker 8: the Joker. I'm having a hard time hearing him, but
Speaker 8: the Joker enigma and.
Speaker 5: Cut out you are you're cutting in and out?
Speaker 3: Nick?
Speaker 4: Do you know what he's talking about there with the
Speaker 4: Joker enigma?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 7: I might have to leave him come back.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yes, on the show.
Speaker 12: On the show, he did uh cover uh like kind
Speaker 12: of like Trump and kind of like the Joker and
Speaker 12: how he was like a trickster and all that stuff
Speaker 12: and matched with like numbers.
Speaker 6: And stuff like that. Right, and it seems to be
Speaker 6: right right, go ahead, I'll.
Speaker 7: See if I can, if I can get this in.
Speaker 8: But the original game that the Joker card came from
Speaker 8: was a game called Yuker, and the original name for
Speaker 8: that was the Trump Card. Whoa and like so and
Speaker 8: so we're going to be seeing it like if we're
Speaker 8: to predict anything, these trump cards kind of played out,
Speaker 8: whether it's something paranormal, whether it's some sort of global issue,
Speaker 8: like these kind of Trump cards that change the world forever.
Speaker 8: I think that we can expect that a bit, just
Speaker 8: based on like when you look at the history of
Speaker 8: what the Joker and the Trump card and the chaos
Speaker 8: and all that kind of thing.
Speaker 7: So that's where I'm at.
Speaker 4: With that great point. Great point. And I also remember
Speaker 4: an old clip where you know, he was doing a
Speaker 4: campaign event Trump and had a kid on a helicopter
Speaker 4: and the kid asking where you Batman? He says, yes,
Speaker 4: I'm Batman. There's a duality again, you know, the Joker.
Speaker 4: He's kind of like Joker and the Batman at the
Speaker 4: same time. It's crazy stuff. It's very entertaining. I find
Speaker 4: him to be, like I think my wife just said,
Speaker 4: he's a conundrum, and he's every bit of that. He's
Speaker 4: it's just hard to figure out what he's doing. But
Speaker 4: I kind of see him as holding that place of
Speaker 4: the beast and revelation, and we're going to get into
Speaker 4: biblical scripted prophecy. And I was kind of glad he
Speaker 4: got elected because that means that if they follow that script,
Speaker 4: we got at least three and a half good years.
Speaker 4: I think we're starting to see that. But it may,
Speaker 4: you know, we get Batman for a while, but we may.
Speaker 4: We're probably gonna wind U put the joker at the
Speaker 4: end of it all.
Speaker 1: There's an army joke.
Speaker 11: I'm reminded of something to the effect of the US
Speaker 11: Army never knows what we're doing, and that way our
Speaker 11: enemies can never project. And and it makes me think
Speaker 11: of Trump too, right, like is there a plan or
Speaker 11: is he going the black or the white or just
Speaker 11: the green type of thing?
Speaker 5: So like, or is he the checkerboard he's on he
Speaker 5: uses both the squares.
Speaker 13: I thought I thought he was bluffing on the whole
Speaker 13: Canada and Greenland thing like.
Speaker 6: I did not see that coming.
Speaker 13: I thought he was just throwing that out there.
Speaker 5: Now he's deed serious water, I know that's crazy.
Speaker 4: And are you familiar with the recent sense about twenty
Speaker 4: three history of the changes within Greenland? I mean, just
Speaker 4: real brief thumbnail sketchule. I got this from Old World, Florida.
Speaker 4: I haven't I don't have the time to look this up.
Speaker 4: But in twenty twenty three they changed the name of
Speaker 4: the Tuley Air Force Base. No longer Tuley now it's
Speaker 4: Patofiic or something Greenland. For six hundred years it had
Speaker 4: been a protectorate of the Danish Queen. Not only did
Speaker 4: she let it go, but the Danish Queen in twenty
Speaker 4: three also abdicated. So really, Greenland now has been stripped
Speaker 4: of all of its royal and all of its esoteric
Speaker 4: I would argue protection. And now here's Trump saying he's
Speaker 4: going to go after it, and it's long time been
Speaker 4: a very very vital strate strate interest, and I would
Speaker 4: submit that we don't even know the reality of what
Speaker 4: he's going after there, and it's it seems like it
Speaker 4: was a joke, as Headless Giant says, But he's dead
Speaker 4: serious about this stuff.
Speaker 13: Is he bailing out Europe? Is that the is that
Speaker 13: the deal we get Greenland and then we have to
Speaker 13: give something to them or something.
Speaker 4: I haven't heard that. I don't know. It's very interesting,
Speaker 4: it's very interesting.
Speaker 1: But I mean there's a lot.
Speaker 13: There's a lot of resources up there, like it is
Speaker 13: the resources.
Speaker 4: And if you go back to the if you go
Speaker 4: back into the esoteric regarding tou Lee, there's a lot
Speaker 4: of that reality, a lot of that history up there
Speaker 4: as well.
Speaker 5: So I've often wondered, is.
Speaker 4: He trying to circumvent or cut off a resurgence of
Speaker 4: true nationalism, true divinity, true sovereignty, true freedom by bringing
Speaker 4: us this what I would call pseudo Christian identity, pseudo
Speaker 4: Christian nationalism, to head off a rebirth of true nationalism
Speaker 4: that would allow people to live according their own conscience,
Speaker 4: whereas if he creates a Christian theocracy, you know, we
Speaker 4: get what we get or or you know, we can
Speaker 4: just die.
Speaker 13: Well, I think there's a strategic interest because if he
Speaker 13: takes Greenland, he controls the entire North Pole, So it's
Speaker 13: going to take a lot of power away from Russia.
Speaker 3: In the rocket points, the channel for submarines.
Speaker 9: Yes, strategically, yes, it definitely has a lot of strategic
Speaker 9: value and influence.
Speaker 11: And yet it's owned by Greenland and the Greenland Ministry
Speaker 11: or aspects of the Greenland government. I believe even the
Speaker 11: Vice President last I saw said that the reason why
Speaker 11: Trump even came up with the idea was because of
Speaker 11: a fake letter that was faked as a letter from
Speaker 11: a certain US senator but was actually from a Russian
Speaker 11: operative to get this idea into Trump team's head. And
Speaker 11: so the Danish are literally saying that Russian operatives got
Speaker 11: this idea into Trump's had in like seventeen twenty seventeen.
Speaker 5: Yeah it was before he Yeah, it was early.
Speaker 11: And I think the reason behind that potentially Now, I
Speaker 11: don't know that, like you're saying, there is aspects of
Speaker 11: it that would undermine Russia. But the I think the
Speaker 11: perspective of the Danish people who are noting this possibility
Speaker 11: as I see it, but they saw it as a fact,
Speaker 11: that is because it.
Speaker 1: Would kind of present this idea.
Speaker 11: In the global atmosphere of revengeism.
Speaker 1: Just take it, take whatever we want.
Speaker 11: Alaska can be Russia's again or whatever, like Dominican Republic
Speaker 11: can take Haiti or any number of things, and Russia
Speaker 11: can get a validation for taking Ukraine. So I don't
Speaker 11: know if that is all true necessarily, but just this
Speaker 11: as a thought, how.
Speaker 4: About how about you take Ukraine, will take Greenland? Trade
Speaker 4: off between the Russian and American superpowers. I could see
Speaker 4: that happening. Then, you know, we keep hearing about China, China, China,
Speaker 4: But if they were really as powerful as they say
Speaker 4: they were, they already have taken Taiwan. I submit that
Speaker 4: China can't even take Taiwan. They're really not a threat
Speaker 4: to us. But that's just my opinion, Jeff.
Speaker 2: To your point about the Air Force base in Greenland.
Speaker 5: Which I've been to, by the way, when I was
Speaker 5: in the Air Force, weird.
Speaker 2: Place it is it was established air force base? If
Speaker 2: correct me if I'm wrong, please it was established shortly
Speaker 2: after World War Two? Correct and yes, and it was
Speaker 2: named Touley. It was named Tule me of the Tool
Speaker 2: Society of Yes, absolutely, and the one of the patches,
Speaker 2: because we covered this with when we're looking at patches
Speaker 2: of different patches all across the board, and it has
Speaker 2: a symbol of I think it was the Tooley Air
Speaker 2: Force Base. It has the a six headed hydra.
Speaker 5: Right, yes, correct, it does.
Speaker 2: And so then when you look at the Tooley Society
Speaker 2: of Germany, it was made predominantly of occultist and when
Speaker 2: we think about what happened after World War Two here
Speaker 2: in this country. We are reminded of Project paper Clip
Speaker 2: and of the division of scientists almost like you know,
Speaker 2: with the Ultimate combine right picking teams and UH for
Speaker 2: draft second draft. And so we have.
Speaker 13: The world's biggest seedball. The world's biggest seedball is in Greenland.
Speaker 13: Interesting the genetic history of the entire planet is stored
Speaker 13: as well.
Speaker 4: And also to your point, Lisa Marina Maria Orsik was
Speaker 4: one of the founders and leaders of the Tully Society.
Speaker 4: So back to another strong female m M.
Speaker 2: And so I wonder how much of that plays in
Speaker 2: to all of that with Trump. And you know, Trump
Speaker 2: is very I guess, esoterically inclined. I mean, he has
Speaker 2: plus ultra written all over mar A Lago and we
Speaker 2: all know the history of that phrase. So it's interesting.
Speaker 5: I think he's highly esoteric.
Speaker 4: And again, in my opinion, he's trying to head off
Speaker 4: a resurgence of that Trullian energy, if we will, and
Speaker 4: redirect it. Maybe as a chaos magician. What a great
Speaker 4: way to steal other people's intention and direct it towards
Speaker 4: your goal, which I mean whether he wants to be
Speaker 4: a Christian nationalist or a Christian identist or not. All
Speaker 4: those people love him and they're the ones that got
Speaker 4: him elected.
Speaker 6: There's aspect.
Speaker 5: What's that?
Speaker 13: There is that aspect? I mean, nothing is look at
Speaker 13: what's happened to Europe. All they have to do is
Speaker 13: just say the word and it's a powder keke you.
Speaker 4: Know, absolutely, absolutely absolutely, So what what do you folks
Speaker 4: think is the biggest problem that we have in the
Speaker 4: world today? And then how can we go about solving it?
Speaker 4: Come on, Nick, what's the biggest problem in the world today?
Speaker 6: I don't know.
Speaker 5: That's a problem.
Speaker 1: I don't have an answer. I have an answer to that.
Speaker 11: I was actually I'm me and teacher of multiple different
Speaker 11: streams of knowledge, and I wanted to ask him the
Speaker 11: same question, and I did it. But I said, I
Speaker 11: think that the world's biggest problem is nuclear experimentation.
Speaker 1: How so well in the sense of the constant threat.
Speaker 11: From radiological releases, Fukushima being the most recent, but even
Speaker 11: just the you know, uh, impending releases that are ongoing,
Speaker 11: Say in Washington, there's there's several sites that are constantly
Speaker 11: polluting and they you know, being that it's been a
Speaker 11: you know, an experiment a little bit less than eighty years,
Speaker 11: it doesn't have the best track record as far as
Speaker 11: you know, the destruction of certain parts of the planet.
Speaker 1: And it maybe or maybe not. I appreciate your question.
Speaker 1: It maybe it may be not.
Speaker 11: And he laughed at me and he said, Ethan, that's
Speaker 11: a very huge problem, of course, But the biggest problem
Speaker 11: is our consciousness, because this is from where all other
Speaker 11: problems come from, and not our consciousness, but our lacking
Speaker 11: degree of higher consciousness.
Speaker 4: I agree.
Speaker 11: And and you know, to the idea of esoteric and exoteric.
Speaker 11: I was thinking also to how often esoteric teachings are
Speaker 11: perverted and we get into a pattern where we operate
Speaker 11: like that, and that's, you know, leads leads to more
Speaker 11: and more problems that certainly are more affronting than the
Speaker 11: constant of the nuclear experiment that you know. But it's
Speaker 11: it's a it's all a problem of consciousness, of course.
Speaker 5: I agree, mister Marx.
Speaker 4: From a artist point of view, what would you uh
Speaker 4: identify as a great problem in the world today?
Speaker 10: Oh, you know, it's I go back and forth about
Speaker 10: many things. You know, when you look at the revolutionary
Speaker 10: spirit in regard to freedom and liberty and justice, in
Speaker 10: the long run, it hollows things out, causes downfalls of
Speaker 10: governments cyclically you know, turning over and over and through
Speaker 10: all of that, you know, you have the state of
Speaker 10: the human mind as far as the fear that's being
Speaker 10: produced through all of these various things that are turning
Speaker 10: and keeping people in a state of trauma, you know,
Speaker 10: more or less so that they forget quickly, they're easily led,
Speaker 10: you know. It's it's uh and getting into a lot
Speaker 10: of this U. S. A. I. D. Stuff with them
Speaker 10: funding so many of these various media outlets around the
Speaker 10: world to propagate into the minds of everyone certain thought
Speaker 10: forms and generative ways of thinking that lead to you know,
Speaker 10: all based around you know, this this sort of trauma based, instilled,
Speaker 10: repetitious cycle that we keep you know, existing within.
Speaker 4: Absolutely very well said TJ. What do you think I
Speaker 4: see as a.
Speaker 8: Great problem in the world today, Well, with a name
Speaker 8: like contemporary problems, it's something that I focus.
Speaker 7: A lot on.
Speaker 8: I can imagine and that kind of thing one that
Speaker 8: comes back to if I could say it exoterically, it
Speaker 8: would be like a lack of appreciation for one another,
Speaker 8: which I think still goes back to consciousness. And I
Speaker 8: think everyone is just like the way the world is
Speaker 8: the way everything's set up is to focus on themselves
Speaker 8: and only worry about themselves, and uh just brought in,
Speaker 8: brought in those worries a bit and focus on what
Speaker 8: it is that you care about and how you can
Speaker 8: care about more than just yourself or how it benefits you.
Speaker 7: I think, is this absolutely problem?
Speaker 5: Yeah, we should have miss Lilla fin here on this.
Speaker 4: She's a great, uh just great, full of a lot
Speaker 4: of wisdom, and she's in the chat as well, and
Speaker 4: you know the to your point, he jy, you know
Speaker 4: my thing is, you know, why can't we just leave
Speaker 4: each other the hell alone? Why do you have to
Speaker 4: worry so much about what I do, what I think,
Speaker 4: what I believe. You know, my wife said a few
Speaker 4: years ago, they've really messed up because they went and
Speaker 4: got the people that just wanted to be left the
Speaker 4: hell alone, all upset and now there's going to be
Speaker 4: hell to pay.
Speaker 5: I just wish we.
Speaker 4: Could leave each other alone and let each person do
Speaker 4: what they do and you know, appreciate each other for that,
Speaker 4: and just leave us alone and do your own stuff.
Speaker 5: I don't get this, this this controlling.
Speaker 4: Drive of the who we call the elites, even though
Speaker 4: they're probably not headless giant.
Speaker 5: What do you think is the big problem?
Speaker 13: Well, I got to agree with you there, it's just
Speaker 13: I think it goes back to Abrahamic mentalities absolutely, you know.
Speaker 13: I mean everything comes down to this idea that the
Speaker 13: world is ending. They don't see things in this cycle,
Speaker 13: you know, and very well why all these religions all
Speaker 13: had that in their scriptures. But it seems coordinated, you know,
Speaker 13: it does.
Speaker 1: Least.
Speaker 4: What's your opinion biggest problem infiltration?
Speaker 2: I will take a conglomerate of everyone speaking and pretty
Speaker 2: much everything we talk about on the Occult Rejects is
Speaker 2: infiltration of consciousness, is that it will be bastardized, polluted, overtaken, infiltrated, manipulated, indoctrinated.
Speaker 4: How do we stop that? How do we combat against that?
Speaker 4: And then Nick, your next lise, how do we stop that?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 1: Me?
Speaker 2: I guess communication, communication, kind of like what we do
Speaker 2: on the podcast. Communication with your fellow people and learning
Speaker 2: to think for yourself hopefully inspire them to do the same.
Speaker 4: And you know, we're more connected now than we've ever been,
Speaker 4: and we're still more alone than we've ever been. Nick,
Speaker 4: what's on your mind?
Speaker 6: I think one of the bigger problems.
Speaker 12: Is something that would possibly help change the world for better,
Speaker 12: is that if people did actually understand what the whole
Speaker 12: magic is.
Speaker 4: In my opinion, it's found on that. Please, it's fascinating idea.
Speaker 12: That you're going to have to separate your soul from
Speaker 12: your body and death something that's going to be part
Speaker 12: of a resurrection.
Speaker 4: Interesting.
Speaker 5: Interesting, that kind of goes back to the needs.
Speaker 12: That people will go to that extent to have a
Speaker 12: magical experience. But that is, you know, part of it.
Speaker 4: Do you think that to have a true magical, transformational kundalini,
Speaker 4: whatever you call it, do you have to get to
Speaker 4: that place where you at least think you've experienced to death.
Speaker 12: Well, I think to a certain extent, you're actually going
Speaker 12: to suck your soul out of you at the top
Speaker 12: of your head.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Interesting. Interesting, And this kind of goes back to
Speaker 4: what TJ was saying. You know, all of these religions
Speaker 4: are trying to say this, you know, apocalypse is coming,
Speaker 4: when maybe we need to face up to the fact
Speaker 4: that if we want to become better people and certainly
Speaker 4: more spiritual people, that we have to have a personal
Speaker 4: apocalypse and then come out on the other side as
Speaker 4: a resurrected and enlightened individual.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 12: Well, the thing is, even even with what I'm saying,
Speaker 12: is that I don't think people understand that. You know,
Speaker 12: in doing that, you can actually have an amazing spiritual
Speaker 12: experience that will change absolute medical you know, it doesn't
Speaker 12: always have to be you know, the most of the
Speaker 12: population who have these experiences are just pieces of shit
Speaker 12: and take advantage of the unknowing. But you can actually
Speaker 12: like try to pass on the message and help with
Speaker 12: the people advance.
Speaker 4: I have some experience, and I think that's every person
Speaker 4: on this panel here is attempting to do that. And
Speaker 4: whether we're good at it or not good at it,
Speaker 4: at least we're trying. And it always irritates me when
Speaker 4: you get these people that want to come in to
Speaker 4: chat nobody yet thankfully and tell you how bad you're
Speaker 4: doing it while they're sitting in their grandmother's basement, you know,
Speaker 4: eating cheetos and doing things that we don't want to
Speaker 4: talk about. But yeah, it's crazy and I have to
Speaker 4: ask this. I shouldn't ask this, but to this open panel,
Speaker 4: how important is the shape of the earth or is
Speaker 4: it more important what shape the earth is.
Speaker 6: In I don't care.
Speaker 4: Well, I'm getting to the point of we have very strong,
Speaker 4: very powerful, very loud, very vocal, you know, group of
Speaker 4: people that insist that the Earth is flat, and if
Speaker 4: you don't believe that, then you don't know anything. And
Speaker 4: I mean, how important is that really? At the end
Speaker 4: of the day.
Speaker 11: I really like how you phrase the question, Jeffrey, is
Speaker 11: is the is it? What is the shape of the earth?
Speaker 11: Is that important? Or is the earth shape? Excuse me?
Speaker 1: Thank you?
Speaker 11: And so I I like to say to that that
Speaker 11: the earth is a pyramid, right, and and you know,
Speaker 11: leveling the pyramid system so to speak, that is that
Speaker 11: is more steep and less steep in different settings is
Speaker 11: really an important facet to raise and consciousness too, because
Speaker 11: a lot of that influence on bringing down consciousness is
Speaker 11: to bring us down on the pyramid where we're more
Speaker 11: under more pressure and under more bricks, you know.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 11: So I think your question is phrased so great that
Speaker 11: it's much more important as to the state of individuals
Speaker 11: and institutions rather than arguing over whether our map is
Speaker 11: one way or another.
Speaker 1: Great way to format that question.
Speaker 5: And I that's exactly the way I think about it.
Speaker 4: I've you know, I took a deep dive into that
Speaker 4: David Weiss as a friend of mine. But why don't
Speaker 4: we just stop the killing, stop the you know, abduction
Speaker 4: and sexual abuse of children, stop all the horrors that
Speaker 4: are on the earth, get all those things sorted out,
Speaker 4: then we can debate the shape of the thing.
Speaker 5: That's just my opinion.
Speaker 4: I thought that might be a good a good discussion point.
Speaker 4: But I think it seems like we're all kind of
Speaker 4: on the same page on that one.
Speaker 1: No.
Speaker 8: Well, I believe that we're on a turtle and that
Speaker 8: the world is a turtle.
Speaker 5: Who's saying that? Does that? TJ?
Speaker 7: Are you?
Speaker 4: Are you trolling me right now?
Speaker 12: Bro?
Speaker 8: I've been podcasts when when I get asked this question,
Speaker 8: and my answer is always turtle.
Speaker 5: We'll explain that to us a little bit.
Speaker 8: Well, it's in like the indigenous lore and a love
Speaker 8: of the in that kind of thing.
Speaker 7: And that's where like I first was brought into it.
Speaker 8: I had like a neighbor of mine that was like
Speaker 8: a teacher at like for like indigenous arts and like
Speaker 8: that kind of thing, and he we were just like
Speaker 8: I knew all about the occult, so I was just
Speaker 8: picked his brain about all that kind of stuff, But
Speaker 8: it's essentially like it's still at the same time agreeing
Speaker 8: with everything because like a turtle, a turtle shell feels
Speaker 8: every rain drop, it feels everything that touches it. It
Speaker 8: feels all that. It's even though it's a hard shell,
Speaker 8: it still feels all that.
Speaker 7: So it's same with like the world. So it's like any.
Speaker 8: Any murder, any any wrongdoing or anything, the turtle feels that.
Speaker 8: So it's like it's it's I don't know, it's a
Speaker 8: collective turtle. I don't know if I can really explain
Speaker 8: it other than just like what I've seen and.
Speaker 7: Studied and all this. And I do have podcasts out
Speaker 7: where I do break down like the World Turtle Show
Speaker 7: and all that.
Speaker 4: So is it more of a metaphor rather than a
Speaker 4: literal turtle with the earth on its back?
Speaker 8: I think it's fun to believe that it could be
Speaker 8: a literal turtle, but yeah, it's more of like the
Speaker 8: lore and the metaphor of it all for sure.
Speaker 4: Interesting. You know, i'd never heard anyone that Ashley took
Speaker 4: that seriously, but as you talk about it, it it
Speaker 4: you know, there's a lot there that seems to make sense.
Speaker 4: What about race? How important is race?
Speaker 10: Well, I think interestingly, if you go back in all
Speaker 10: the histories, there's a point where, you know, all the
Speaker 10: races were won and the children were sent out you know,
Speaker 10: around the world, you know, and then you have the
Speaker 10: story of the Tower of Babel with the fracturing of
Speaker 10: the languages, and you can get into Phineas Pharcide and
Speaker 10: the Book of Invasion where they talk about the schools
Speaker 10: where they actually taught the new languages to the different
Speaker 10: tribes before they sent them out to the different lands.
Speaker 6: You know.
Speaker 10: So and inherently, you know, is it just a matter
Speaker 10: of you know, being closer to the equator, you know,
Speaker 10: you end up with more pigmentation just to protect yourself
Speaker 10: from the sun, whereas the Germanic people in the higher
Speaker 10: you know, had a tendency to you know, not get
Speaker 10: as much sun. So, you know, I think inherently, you know,
Speaker 10: like you can see the development of certain moths in
Speaker 10: a couple generations based on their environment. You know, you
Speaker 10: put you know, people into and very much like you know,
Speaker 10: the wolf has basically been bred into every dog that
Speaker 10: we now have. You know, the speculation and possibility of
Speaker 10: humanity kind of just developing different in these different places,
Speaker 10: you know, and then we build our legends and our
Speaker 10: you know, we and then the fear of the other
Speaker 10: causes us to fight.
Speaker 9: You know.
Speaker 4: Interesting, very interesting. What ideas does anybody else have they
Speaker 4: like to throw out here?
Speaker 1: And I have an idea pertaining to racism.
Speaker 11: Okay, that our very eyesight proves that we are more
Speaker 11: alike than different. For every other species has very different eyesight,
Speaker 11: but humans have the same eyes and we see the
Speaker 11: same color formations and color spectrum. So I think that's
Speaker 11: just a neat fact to counter racism based on visual stuff.
Speaker 11: But the eyes really prove that we're more similar than different.
Speaker 5: Very interesting. Any comments on that or thoughts on that?
Speaker 12: One thing I do I do like to try to
Speaker 12: sometimes aid and throw out. I mean, he's bringing up
Speaker 12: the eyes. There is something that we've actually spent spent,
Speaker 12: you know, numerous episodes on is actually showing occultism inside
Speaker 12: the eyeball. Really Oh yeah, yeah, I definitely think this
Speaker 12: stuff in there. If you learn how the eyes work,
Speaker 12: and you just look at some of the art stuff
Speaker 12: and how it looks under the microscope or all this
Speaker 12: other stuff, in my opinion, you'll see a lot of Catholicism, actually,
Speaker 12: I think, yeah, yeah, like even you know, even the
Speaker 12: way the lens works and stuff, the way the light
Speaker 12: reflects off of it. So also looked like certain sigils
Speaker 12: and stuff. You know, I was a blow with that.
Speaker 12: You know, you got water in front of the eye,
Speaker 12: then he got blood in the back. He got all
Speaker 12: sorts of weird things going on, like even in the
Speaker 12: back of your eye, the optic nerve, that's what takes
Speaker 12: sunlight and puts it into electricity.
Speaker 6: You got stuff going on just inside of your eyebll.
Speaker 4: Very interesting, and you made us You said something earlier
Speaker 4: about and I can't remember exactly how you phrased it,
Speaker 4: but that people need to understand or it would behove
Speaker 4: people to understand that it's a magical world. How would
Speaker 4: what would you recommend for people that have no mangile experience?
Speaker 4: What type of a practice could people do to introduce
Speaker 4: themselves to more of a magical worldview?
Speaker 12: Uh?
Speaker 6: Well, believe it that just for me.
Speaker 12: I mean, all right, you know, when I was a
Speaker 12: practicing magician, you know, doing rituals and stuff, I did
Speaker 12: all that stuff. I did the lesser banishing ritual of
Speaker 12: the pentagram, of the Instagram the star Rugby in the
Speaker 12: middle pillar. Yeah, and uh, when I actually had magical experiences,
Speaker 12: legit was only me meditating, you know. And you know
Speaker 12: there was no drugs involved either at that time. I
Speaker 12: wasn't even smoking weed yet or smoking wheat again because
Speaker 12: I had stopped throw a long time actually, so you know,
Speaker 12: no drugs, had no rituals.
Speaker 6: You believe it, and I throw this out there.
Speaker 12: This might blow your mind maybe, but maybe you think
Speaker 12: it's a little too far out there.
Speaker 6: When it comes to the eyeball.
Speaker 12: If you understand how the eyeball works, it pulls out
Speaker 12: in four directions, the four cardinal directions, and your pupil
Speaker 12: does spin closed. Now for me, it's a little bit
Speaker 12: easier because I wasn't in the astronmargentium, but I had
Speaker 12: an anstra mogentum hood and that like thing covers your
Speaker 12: whole body, you know, and like I'm thinking about how
Speaker 12: like when I would wear it and I would do
Speaker 12: this ritual. You know, I do think that when you
Speaker 12: have a magical experience, you're going to twist one of
Speaker 12: your eyeballs will twist, will dilate, You'll get small and
Speaker 12: pull in more light yes, that happens. Now when you're
Speaker 12: doing that lesser banishing ritual, you're going to both corners
Speaker 12: and defeating those things that have the pupil pulled open.
Speaker 12: And as you're in your black cloak spinning around, you're
Speaker 12: actually your pupil twisting clothed, and then you're pulling the lighting.
Speaker 5: It's fascinating.
Speaker 12: I actually think those rituals do actually show eyeballs connect
Speaker 12: eyeball change connected to it.
Speaker 4: Interesting. What do you think about divination? I'm a big
Speaker 4: divining rod guide. Do you think that divination is a
Speaker 4: good practice for people to maybe contact, you know, energies
Speaker 4: and magic that's beyond just the mundane human experience.
Speaker 12: You I'll tell you, I wish I listened to you,
Speaker 12: because I think he has the same things you have. Yeah, divination,
Speaker 12: I mean I used believing it out when I used taro.
Speaker 12: I never used it really for the same reason as
Speaker 12: most people did. I attributed it to the tree of life. Yeah,
Speaker 12: and I really didn't like use it for the what
Speaker 12: most people would you go to get their readings for.
Speaker 12: So it's kind of hard for me and I guess
Speaker 12: to even say anything about divination because I was never
Speaker 12: big into that actually okay, Yeah, Like for me, like
Speaker 12: you might think, like I know, sometimes some people would
Speaker 12: use divination before they did a ritual.
Speaker 6: I would just meditate on it. Probably the same thing,
Speaker 6: I guess, but just a different way.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Are there any dangers and meditation of if you
Speaker 4: open yourself up to other entities or beings coming into
Speaker 4: your consciousness, your aura, your body, any thoughts on that.
Speaker 6: I think it's definitely possible.
Speaker 1: Okay, there's definitely a warning about that play.
Speaker 3: Oh.
Speaker 8: I was just gonna say, yeah, like a tip if
Speaker 8: you're getting into magic or that kind of thing or
Speaker 8: paranormal anything really spiritual, that whole kind of thing is uh,
Speaker 8: be ready because it's gonna appear real like what you
Speaker 8: go looking for you will find. And that can be very,
Speaker 8: very scary and very overwhelming.
Speaker 4: It can be, it can be. It sounds like you've
Speaker 4: personally experienced.
Speaker 7: Some of that many things.
Speaker 4: Yes, yeah, has it been a net positive for you
Speaker 4: or a net.
Speaker 5: Negative net positive?
Speaker 8: But I do part of my story over the past
Speaker 8: couple of years, as I talk about it, like I
Speaker 8: flew into the sun and I've and I've fractled into
Speaker 8: a million pieces and like that's the only way I
Speaker 8: could put it, and it's it's I can explain it
Speaker 8: simply as Humpty Dumpty sat on the wall, Yes, and
Speaker 8: it's like you're you're supposed to like like it's like
Speaker 8: I stayed on that high, that spiritual high, like for
Speaker 8: too long and it eventually like you know, like as
Speaker 8: as high as you fly, like you still have to
Speaker 8: come down, so that like come down off, like I
Speaker 8: call it also kind of like the drugs from God.
Speaker 4: God.
Speaker 8: God gives you this bag of holiness and if you
Speaker 8: don't use it right and use it all at once
Speaker 8: or like that kind of thing. That's essentially the analogy
Speaker 8: I could say for how I flew into the sun
Speaker 8: and yeah, I frackled in two million pieces. And it's
Speaker 8: kind of like I could like friends would message me like, hey,
Speaker 8: why are you everywhere?
Speaker 6: Now?
Speaker 8: Why do I see like a version of you or whatever?
Speaker 8: I'm like, then I'm like I have the explanation because
Speaker 8: I my soul. Yeah I Humpty dumpty.
Speaker 4: Did Humpty Dumpty come back together again?
Speaker 7: Yeah? I break that down. It's all It's all astrology.
Speaker 8: It's like it has to do with the cosmic egg
Speaker 8: and all that kind of thing. So it's all the
Speaker 8: king's men and all the kings horses, which are at
Speaker 8: the bottom of the wheel in astrology, which would be
Speaker 8: Sagittarius and Aquarius.
Speaker 4: You're right.
Speaker 5: I just had Mike a dank on last week.
Speaker 4: He talks about astro theology, does a real nice job
Speaker 4: with it, a real nice job with it. How about psychedelogs?
Speaker 6: What do we think?
Speaker 5: Go ahead and then we'll then I was going.
Speaker 11: To say thank you, Jeffrey. I was going to say that.
Speaker 11: You know, sometimes I'll hear people say, oh, do you
Speaker 11: feel the energies today? They're they're way off, and I
Speaker 11: always have to think, well, what did you do yesterday?
Speaker 11: And so a part of ty t and definitely most
Speaker 11: of yoga is to really prepare our nervous system.
Speaker 1: To be able to meditate.
Speaker 11: And so I think a lot of the processes are
Speaker 11: very chemical and electrical, certainly, but depending on how healthy
Speaker 11: and toonified and balanced and stretched out our nervous system is,
Speaker 11: I think we get more intuitive, valuable intuitive insight from
Speaker 11: divination or just randomly and are less affected by the
Speaker 11: tumult of energies in meditation.
Speaker 1: And the world.
Speaker 11: Right, So a grounding practice is really important whether it's
Speaker 11: Taichi or what have you, but just grounding is super powerful.
Speaker 5: I agree one hundred percent. One hundred percent.
Speaker 4: Now at least if I'm out of order, just say so.
Speaker 4: But I think you mentioned that you were Hispanic.
Speaker 2: Correct.
Speaker 4: What are your thoughts with this current round up everybody
Speaker 4: and send them back to where they're from idea that's
Speaker 4: exploding all over the country.
Speaker 2: It's definitely multi layered for me because I cannot trace
Speaker 2: anybody back to Mexico. So most of my family was
Speaker 2: born in Texas or Texas was Mexico at one point, absolutely,
Speaker 2: and so we were all on this side of the river,
Speaker 2: even though the flags were the ones that changed. But
Speaker 2: with the crossing over it has changed from the eighties,
Speaker 2: it used to be rare and the people that were
Speaker 2: coming were actually coming to work, They were actually coming
Speaker 2: for a better life. That I think dynamic has changed
Speaker 2: a little bit. But what concerns me the most is not, yes,
Speaker 2: the valve had to stop. There was way too much
Speaker 2: coming in and in terms of because my background is
Speaker 2: wildlife biology, in terms of resource utilization, we are in
Speaker 2: somewhat of a state of a water war with the
Speaker 2: different states, and so resources are dwindling, and so you
Speaker 2: do have that as a concern first and foremost. So
Speaker 2: when you let more people in, obviously there's going to
Speaker 2: be more straws going into the ground. However, the main
Speaker 2: arc of all this is my fear in that we
Speaker 2: are going to turn the country into a tattle tell state.
Speaker 2: In that it's not so that, yes, yes we do
Speaker 2: need borders, Yes we do need to have a secure,
Speaker 2: you know, state of the country, absolutely, but we don't
Speaker 2: need a tattletale state because that is one second way
Speaker 2: from Nazi Germany.
Speaker 4: Wow, that's a great point. I never thought about that.
Speaker 4: We don't want to have a tattletale state. I don't
Speaker 4: think anybody really does.
Speaker 2: So that's that's my take. Again, I don't I from
Speaker 2: a wildlife perspective. I'm all about resource you know, conservation
Speaker 2: and stuff like that. In terms of that, yes, obviously
Speaker 2: there are ways to overcome that. But when you have
Speaker 2: an influx of people so fast, it is concerning on
Speaker 2: the state and the state resources and the current people
Speaker 2: that are here. So there is all of that concern
Speaker 2: as well. However, you know it it's so multi layered,
Speaker 2: really it is. So it's and the other thing I
Speaker 2: will say is that a lot of people think that
Speaker 2: the people that are coming over are Mexicans. A large
Speaker 2: majority are not Mexicans. It's large Central and South Americans,
Speaker 2: Caribbean and other nationalities around the world. It is not
Speaker 2: just Mexicans. And so that I will say that that
Speaker 2: is a misnomer for sure. And it's not just through
Speaker 2: the border. There are other ports of entry that we
Speaker 2: do see this as well.
Speaker 4: Well. Now you mentioned something about wildlife biology, and not
Speaker 4: just for you, about to everybody.
Speaker 5: There's this crazy idea.
Speaker 4: My wife called my attention to it, and as I
Speaker 4: started looking at it, I swear I'm noticing it. Are
Speaker 4: animals getting smarter? Are they getting more sentient? Or do
Speaker 4: they seem to be developing at I'll say evolution. We
Speaker 4: don't want to get in that argument, but are animals
Speaker 4: evolving maybe at a faster rate than humans because they
Speaker 4: seem to be a lot more sentient to me than
Speaker 4: they have been in recent years.
Speaker 5: Or maybe I'm just evolving.
Speaker 2: I think they always have been. We're just now finally
Speaker 2: paying attention to giving them the credit for it.
Speaker 5: Could well be anybody else have thoughts on that.
Speaker 7: Yeah, it's like the opposite of like agreeing with Lisa.
Speaker 8: It's like the opposite where it's like we're because more sentient,
Speaker 8: we're becoming more conscious, we're becoming more aware.
Speaker 7: It's like, whoa, these animals are crazy, Like.
Speaker 4: Yes, birds, the stuff they can do is nuts, man,
Speaker 4: and I and I can totally see that. I'm the
Speaker 4: one that's actually starting to notice. And they've been doing
Speaker 4: it the whole time. I mean, I'm talking to crows
Speaker 4: and deer and they're like, it's just crazy. It's it's
Speaker 4: and it's beautiful when you be in to stop and
Speaker 4: notice it. Even our dog, I mean, this crazy dog
Speaker 4: is so smart. It's just unbelievable. It really is. It
Speaker 4: really is. How important is diet folks, diet and what
Speaker 4: we put into our bodies.
Speaker 6: I don't I'm just for me.
Speaker 12: I don't talk about that and drugs and mainly, but
Speaker 12: to be totally honest with you, I really don't talk
Speaker 12: much politics.
Speaker 6: I'm like, okays either, yeah, just be honest.
Speaker 4: Interesting. What I'm kind of getting at is three years ago,
Speaker 4: I weighed seventy five pounds more than I do right now,
Speaker 4: and I've started going keto and now I'm a lot lighter,
Speaker 4: and I don't know if I think that was a
Speaker 4: big part of it. If we're not healthy, I don't
Speaker 4: know if we can be as spiritually healthy if we're
Speaker 4: in a place of unhealth that we can actually do
Speaker 4: something about.
Speaker 5: Some people don't have an ability. But any thoughts on
Speaker 5: that at all.
Speaker 6: Well, I think it is good to be healthy. I'm
Speaker 6: just not the person to tell people how to do that.
Speaker 4: That's right, good point, good point.
Speaker 11: There is one new thought that's coming up that I
Speaker 11: think makes a lot of sense, not so much the
Speaker 11: consideration of what we eat, but the consideration of when
Speaker 11: we eat. And I think the twelve on and twelve
Speaker 11: off modality is really helpful for people's digestion and just
Speaker 11: their overall well being. So when you start to eat
Speaker 11: in the day, you end eating at the PM aspect
Speaker 11: of that, right, twelve hours later, so just not eating
Speaker 11: before bed and so on. And I mean to get
Speaker 11: you know, I don't want to say conspiratual conspiratorial because
Speaker 11: it's actual, but considering the genetically modified organism, so.
Speaker 1: That are oh yeah, maybe that's important. I don't know.
Speaker 11: Like again, I feel smore to nick, I barely know
Speaker 11: what I need.
Speaker 1: I'm not going to try to tell.
Speaker 11: Other people what they need, which a lot of people
Speaker 11: try to do. But I think it's definitely helpful. The
Speaker 11: twelve on and twelve off just being mindful of.
Speaker 4: When sort of an interminute fasting type of model. Interesting.
Speaker 5: Interesting, mister Marx.
Speaker 4: As an artist, how important you do you feel it
Speaker 4: would be to people, even if they don't think they
Speaker 4: can draw stick Man, to try to get through some
Speaker 4: type of artistic expression as a means of self development
Speaker 4: and growth.
Speaker 10: Yeah, I think it's a very important thing as far
Speaker 10: as mental health. Uh, the idea of allowing yourself to
Speaker 10: be absorbed into the process of creation and making something
Speaker 10: you know that's in your mind's eye and bringing that
Speaker 10: into physical form.
Speaker 6: It.
Speaker 10: You know, if if you know we were made in
Speaker 10: the image of the Creator, then we are creators. So
Speaker 10: you know, taking that time to do that, They've shown,
Speaker 10: you know, the mental health that results from that as
Speaker 10: far as levels of happiness and satisfaction, you know, I
Speaker 10: think that uh, participating with with the process of manifesting
Speaker 10: and creating some even if it's it's something you know,
Speaker 10: something you don't care about, but just the process of
Speaker 10: doing it, it lends to a certain experience that brings
Speaker 10: peace into the mind.
Speaker 5: I would definitely agree with that.
Speaker 4: I would agree with that. Well, folks, I don't really
Speaker 4: have a whole lot else on my mind. What are
Speaker 4: some of you thinking about? Or is it time to
Speaker 4: wrap this up? Either way, let me know what you think.
Speaker 7: I was gonna mention how.
Speaker 8: So, I was a vegan chef for over twelve years
Speaker 8: and towards the end two and during the pandemic, trying
Speaker 8: to figure stuff out.
Speaker 7: I took all these courses on nutrition.
Speaker 8: Like like did all that, and I was like, oh,
Speaker 8: maybe I'll get into that, and the clientele and people.
Speaker 7: It's so hard.
Speaker 8: No one wants to change, no one wants to like
Speaker 8: put in the effort to do anything. And then also,
Speaker 8: like in that learning, what I kind of realize is
Speaker 8: that we are all different, that we all need different things,
Speaker 8: and that like there isn't one right way to do it,
Speaker 8: and there isn't there's formulas that work for some people
Speaker 8: and formulas that work for others. Some people can have
Speaker 8: heavy meat diets, some people can have heavy grain diets.
Speaker 8: Like I live off like I can eat so much
Speaker 8: bread and like it's like I just.
Speaker 7: Live off bread or whatever.
Speaker 8: But like I don't know, Like I the one health
Speaker 8: advice I'd say, like if you're feeling or feeling anything,
Speaker 8: just go raw fruits and veggies for like a while,
Speaker 8: like a week or something like that, like keep it
Speaker 8: raw and keep it like yeah, and keep it clean,
Speaker 8: and you will, you will change. And yeah, I lost
Speaker 8: I lost eighty pounds like on my whole journey and
Speaker 8: and everything too, so you know, shout out to us
Speaker 8: that have lost weight.
Speaker 4: So TG, are you are you telling me that my
Speaker 4: way is not necessarily the best way?
Speaker 8: Well, it's not my way, it's not knowing it's not,
Speaker 8: and they like it's it's I don't know. My whole
Speaker 8: philosophy on it is that like it's it's genetic memory,
Speaker 8: and certain foods help unlock different genetic memory. So that's
Speaker 8: why even family members have different taste buds and things,
Speaker 8: because they're unlocking different genetic memories within that. And some
Speaker 8: can have say like one family member loves fish and
Speaker 8: can eat all this kind of thing, and then the
Speaker 8: next family member might not like fish at all, like
Speaker 8: get that away from me. And I think it has
Speaker 8: to do with it, like this kind of ancestral and
Speaker 8: genetic kind of thing that we go through, so I
Speaker 8: think they were all different, and like all we.
Speaker 7: Can do is research it for ourselves and know what
Speaker 7: works best for us.
Speaker 4: Absolutely well said, well said any other ideas, folks.
Speaker 10: I do want to say, when you go back and
Speaker 10: you look at Rome, as far as the building of Rome,
Speaker 10: they say that Rome was built on one meal a day,
Speaker 10: because everybody pretty much just ate one meal a day.
Speaker 10: And then you kind of extrapolate that into the future,
Speaker 10: you know, as far as the Hyperboreans bringing the bees,
Speaker 10: and then you begin to have sorts of sugars in
Speaker 10: corporate and then you bring that even further into the
Speaker 10: founding of the United States and the sugar cane fields
Speaker 10: and they, you know, looking at the Senate actually looking
Speaker 10: at how to commoditize sugar and bringing bringing it in,
Speaker 10: you know, on a larger scale so it's more available
Speaker 10: to people. And I also found out that when that
Speaker 10: was going on, the Senator that was doing all that
Speaker 10: for the Department of Agriculture was actually married to Madam Mulotsky,
Speaker 10: which is an interesting thing. When she was in the
Speaker 10: United States, right, But when you look at what they've
Speaker 10: done with sugar and processed foods and just how it's
Speaker 10: crept into everything. And generally speaking, when you look at
Speaker 10: different types of poisons, they're they're always very sweet. You know,
Speaker 10: it's it's a common factor with poisons and so you know,
Speaker 10: just they all kill you at different rates. And I
Speaker 10: think that you know, the incorporate and then the fact
Speaker 10: that they've gone in and tried to blame everything that
Speaker 10: sugar does on the body against the uh the cholesterol
Speaker 10: and the high fats and all the you know, and
Speaker 10: and kind of adjusting the diet so it's okay to
Speaker 10: eat you know, pop tarts and uh pizza you know,
Speaker 10: is a vegetable in the schools, or at least it
Speaker 10: was under Reagan. But but it's just this idea of
Speaker 10: something that inherently hasn't been in the human diet for
Speaker 10: most of history. And you know, when when we inject
Speaker 10: that into the culture and you know, party a kid
Speaker 10: goes to giving away sweets, there's birthday cakes, like everywhere
Speaker 10: you go. It's just sweet, sweet sweets, you know, and
Speaker 10: it's you know, valid, and it becomes a marketing thing
Speaker 10: with pr and you know, bringing Edward Burnet is bringing
Speaker 10: about the bacon and the eggs for breakfast, and the
Speaker 10: orange juice as well, you know. So it's it's gotten
Speaker 10: into this thing where the food itself has become a
Speaker 10: commercial aspect and the idea of the breakfast and the
Speaker 10: lunch and the dinner rather than you know, this old
Speaker 10: idea of there's some tribes in Africa and that they
Speaker 10: only eat when the sun is at high noon and
Speaker 10: that's the one meal they have a day. So there's
Speaker 10: this inherent perspective in view of the Western world versus
Speaker 10: other you know, cultures, in regard to commercialization and what
Speaker 10: we've done, you know, with food science quote.
Speaker 4: Unquote absolutely, I would argue that food has become a
Speaker 4: control mechanism in any ways, any other thoughts, folks.
Speaker 6: I did.
Speaker 12: I did, actually wanted to ask what was the thing
Speaker 12: that you were involved in? Again, I'm sorry because I
Speaker 12: forgot the name of it, and I couldn't remember the order.
Speaker 4: It was called Triscalion Magic. What was their official name?
Speaker 4: I can't actually recall the official name. I think it
Speaker 4: was called the Triscalian Order and actually initiate you into
Speaker 4: what they say is a high priesthood. So but like
Speaker 4: I said, the guy that's that was running it was
Speaker 4: a freemason I'm pretty sure that was from what I've
Speaker 4: read that the initiation ritual was highly Masonic and it
Speaker 4: was basically just another ceremonial magic.
Speaker 12: Uh oh, yeah, well I assumed if you were Yeah,
Speaker 12: if you're you, because you did mention the pentagram in hexagram,
Speaker 12: So I mean obviously you were using ceremonial magic. Was
Speaker 12: was that like a like a location or is it?
Speaker 6: Or no? What do you mean, like, did you have
Speaker 6: a lodgers a temple for that or.
Speaker 4: They did not have any lodges at that point. So
Speaker 4: it was kind of solo, but it was more virtual.
Speaker 4: They get together a few times, but the people were
Speaker 4: so spread out. It was mainly based out of Minnesota,
Speaker 4: but there were people around the country and we got
Speaker 4: together few and far between, so it was more of
Speaker 4: a solo practice coming together virtually to be able to
Speaker 4: work as a as a covench Very interesting stuff, very
Speaker 4: interesting stuff. Well, if no one else has anything to
Speaker 4: throw out, I would really love it if we could
Speaker 4: just well start with Lise and go around and everybody
Speaker 4: give just a last word, something that you want to
Speaker 4: leave with the people, and please let the people know
Speaker 4: where they can reach you and your content.
Speaker 5: Please, please, start us off if you would so, my.
Speaker 2: Name is Lisa Soalse and you can find me on
Speaker 2: Twitter at soles Lisa. And I would also like to
Speaker 2: do a plug of the Occult Research Institute where a
Speaker 2: bunch of the people that we have on the panel
Speaker 2: today and many others that did not get to make it,
Speaker 2: contribute work to the website and they basically expand the
Speaker 2: learning experience, expand our knowledge, and kind of help put
Speaker 2: it more in a reading media format. So it's a
Speaker 2: Cult Research Institute dot org. And thank you so much
Speaker 2: for having us on. I very much enjoyed it and
Speaker 2: I hope somebody learned something.
Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely absolutely, Nick, you're an next.
Speaker 12: Yes, well, thank you for plugging the site. It's always tentificate.
Speaker 5: Yes.
Speaker 12: One thing I guess I would like to add again
Speaker 12: just you know, I know it's like a heavy thing
Speaker 12: to leave the listeners, but it is something I like
Speaker 12: to try to get the point it cross just just
Speaker 12: it's just my honest opinion that when it comes to magic, occultisms, occultism,
Speaker 12: secrets of secrets and all that stuff, the mysteries and mysteries,
Speaker 12: I do think if you study the eyeball and you
Speaker 12: start looking at inside of the eyeball and you start
Speaker 12: looking at a could symbolism and certain archetypes, you will
Speaker 12: see start seeing stuff in there. And I do think
Speaker 12: as dark or as creepy as it can sound, I
Speaker 12: do think some of the other secrets is the the
Speaker 12: visions and the feelings that you'll have with the experience
Speaker 12: of death. That is something that I think you will
Speaker 12: see you oftenly played out in front of your face
Speaker 12: and art and the lyrics and uh, you know, just
Speaker 12: my opinion to go listen to some NDEs and start
Speaker 12: looking into the eyeball and you'll start to understand magic
Speaker 12: more than a lot of other people.
Speaker 5: Great stuff, Nick, Thank you so much. TJ.
Speaker 8: Trying to think it's something to leave on, but I
Speaker 8: don't know. I don't know if anything's really coming in mind.
Speaker 4: Gave the turtle and.
Speaker 5: That was a big one.
Speaker 7: Hell yeah, yeah, the world is a turtle.
Speaker 8: Well, there was one that I wanted to kind of
Speaker 8: ask you on, which is like the Christ complex. And
Speaker 8: my Twitter handle is TuS Christ and it's a nickname
Speaker 8: I've had for about fifteen years that people gave to
Speaker 8: me just for being like a man of the people,
Speaker 8: like spreading the knowledge, like you know, and being like
Speaker 8: like today I was working carpentry and I know how
Speaker 8: to do carpentry because my father was a carpenter. Like
Speaker 8: the joke, the joke just doesn't seem to end right, So, like,
Speaker 8: where do you feel when people kind of carry that
Speaker 8: because I do it like sarcastically, and it was like
Speaker 8: a good name for me because like I look like
Speaker 8: I'd get kicked out of a church, but I'm like
Speaker 8: actually like a lot more holy and spiritual and like.
Speaker 7: That whole kind of thing. So yeah, just like if
Speaker 7: you had any thoughts on that.
Speaker 4: What is the specific question you're asking me, I don't know,
Speaker 4: just like.
Speaker 8: The Christ complex that that people kind of carry on
Speaker 8: or carry that kind of thing or maybe start to
Speaker 8: believe in that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think it's mainly it's mainly based on bad
Speaker 4: linguistics because you know, in English, if you listen to
Speaker 4: a Spanish news broadcast or Russian news brought news broadcast,
Speaker 4: hear him speaking Russian, Russian, Russian. But when it comes
Speaker 4: to a proper name, they'll say Donald Trump, you know,
Speaker 4: whether it's Spanish broadcast, So proper names are not brought
Speaker 4: across in translation. Those are the only things that are
Speaker 4: not brought across. But this word Christ is a Greek
Speaker 4: word Cristo's. It means the flow, it means the anointing,
Speaker 4: so it's not really a name, but yet it's brought
Speaker 4: forth as a name. So really, in English, there should
Speaker 4: be no Christ. It should be this flow, it should
Speaker 4: be this anointing. But because we mess up the linguistics
Speaker 4: of it, we've got this whole fault, if you will,
Speaker 4: built around this Christ thing, and we think of it
Speaker 4: as an external person, and we would just realize it's
Speaker 4: talking about a flow, it's talking about an anointing of
Speaker 4: esoteric knowledge that we'd be in a lot better off
Speaker 4: than thinking of it as a person. So I think
Speaker 4: it's a whole linguistic trick. Maybe it's become in many ways.
Speaker 4: I think it's become a magic word, a trigger word,
Speaker 4: this the C word, And I think we do a
Speaker 4: lot better if we would get back to linguistics, because
Speaker 4: words really do mean things.
Speaker 5: That's my answer to that. I don't know if I
Speaker 5: answered it or not, but.
Speaker 7: Yep, that fits.
Speaker 8: I also have a like joke band called Jesus and
Speaker 8: the Seven Trumpets, and it's eventually that it's like it's yeah,
Speaker 8: the Christ is all of us, and it's supposed to
Speaker 8: be this whole thing. It's not supposed to be like,
Speaker 8: oh is he pretending to be Jesus or this kind
Speaker 8: of thing.
Speaker 7: But it's like, uh, yeah, it's like aposcalyptic.
Speaker 8: And and I try and sneak in lyrics and stuff
Speaker 8: where if you're really paying attention you might pick up
Speaker 8: on kind of things.
Speaker 7: It's a fun little project.
Speaker 8: So I have that as well, and then at contemporary
Speaker 8: problems underscore instagrams, where I'm most known for accellently wild
Speaker 8: in there and stuff.
Speaker 10: So mister Marx, yeah, I think just in this day
Speaker 10: and age, with all the swirling dialectics and all the
Speaker 10: understandings and misunderstandings, that we really just need to try
Speaker 10: to be compassionate and try to really help, you know,
Speaker 10: our fellow humans when we can and we're in the
Speaker 10: position to be able to. Again, like we were talking about,
Speaker 10: this all comes down to the ideas of consciousness and
Speaker 10: where you are within your realm of living, So you know,
Speaker 10: just try to be compassionate and have patience with people
Speaker 10: and trying not to try not to instigate too much,
Speaker 10: you know, I even though it's fun a lot of times.
Speaker 9: You know, absolutely I appreciate that, and to go yeah
Speaker 9: Ethan Indigo Smith on all the social media, and I
Speaker 9: always appreciate communication and linking up. And one thing that
Speaker 9: I think about practically daily is the pursuit of impartiality.
Speaker 9: And I'll check myself when I have a belief relative
Speaker 9: to facts or whatever I might be thinking, am I
Speaker 9: being impartial? And just that notion I think really helps
Speaker 9: spend awareness and.
Speaker 1: Perception of situations and so forth.
Speaker 4: So fantastic, Thank you so much, folks. This has been great.
Speaker 4: I mean it's been like a little over an hour
Speaker 4: and a half. I went by super quickly. I would
Speaker 4: love to do this again with all of you and
Speaker 4: all the other cult rejects that didn't make it. Really
Speaker 4: appreciate every single one of you. We had a great
Speaker 4: crowd here tonight. It's my pleasure to host you, and
Speaker 4: I hope this isn't the last time that we see
Speaker 4: one another.
Speaker 5: Thanks so much.
Speaker 4: I really appreciate you, folks.