WEBVTT 1 00:00:03.720 --> 00:00:04.839 Something's going to happen. 2 00:00:06.320 --> 00:00:10.599 What's going to happen? 3 00:00:22.480 --> 00:00:22.719 Help? 4 00:00:24.280 --> 00:00:26.559 This ought to be fun, This ought to be fun. 5 00:00:26.960 --> 00:00:29.960 I'm not really sure what to expect, to be frank 6 00:00:30.039 --> 00:00:34.159 with you, Cynthia said to me early earlier. Are these 7 00:00:34.200 --> 00:00:37.439 people friend or foe? I'm like, well, I'm pretty sure 8 00:00:38.640 --> 00:00:43.000 their friend. But hopefully there's enough foe to make it 9 00:00:43.119 --> 00:00:47.039 an interesting deep program. We'll find out really really quickly here. 10 00:00:47.479 --> 00:00:49.960 So I want to say hi to Kylie Dugan and 11 00:00:50.000 --> 00:00:53.880 Colleen Oberon, Rockfin and back over here on the other 12 00:00:53.920 --> 00:00:56.920 side of the house, which is YouTube and X and 13 00:00:57.079 --> 00:01:03.640 Rumble and folk and art for Right Terry Platform Odyssey 14 00:01:03.679 --> 00:01:05.680 and what's the other one here? I can't remember what 15 00:01:05.719 --> 00:01:07.799 the other one is, but anyway, we got a lot 16 00:01:07.799 --> 00:01:11.640 of folks over here. Let's say hi, super Galactic, the 17 00:01:11.680 --> 00:01:16.560 occult rejects in the house. I'm jt Estelle is here, 18 00:01:16.560 --> 00:01:24.319 Renee w Dead Wolf, Tribal Defender, Sadarian, Mike Rent Wrench Wrench, 19 00:01:24.640 --> 00:01:25.000 lots of. 20 00:01:25.000 --> 00:01:27.239 People filing in. 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So one, two, three, four, five, 32 00:02:12.360 --> 00:02:14.240 let's i've net. Don't think I've ever had that many 33 00:02:14.280 --> 00:02:17.639 people on the screen. So let's see how this goes. 34 00:02:18.400 --> 00:02:20.680 And it looks like we have. 35 00:02:22.039 --> 00:02:23.719 A lady here. We'll bring here on first. 36 00:02:23.919 --> 00:02:27.240 Hi, nice to see you, and we're just gonna bring 37 00:02:27.280 --> 00:02:29.240 everybody in and see what happens. See how I can 38 00:02:29.240 --> 00:02:31.240 get this, Uh, see how I can get this set 39 00:02:31.319 --> 00:02:33.159 up on the screen. 40 00:02:33.280 --> 00:02:35.560 What's the best way to do it? Hey guys, what's up? 41 00:02:36.960 --> 00:02:38.759 Hey you Nick? 42 00:02:38.960 --> 00:02:41.879 Nice to see you, Ethan Indigo, Nice to see you, 43 00:02:42.039 --> 00:02:44.879 are Mark, Nice to see you, TJ, Nice to see you, 44 00:02:45.400 --> 00:02:48.280 and a cult rejects Mad Scientist, Nice to see you. 45 00:02:48.840 --> 00:02:49.400 Nice see you. 46 00:02:50.120 --> 00:02:51.719 It's great to have you here. It took a little 47 00:02:51.759 --> 00:02:52.800 while to put this together. 48 00:02:53.360 --> 00:02:55.800 So why don't you folks just tell me, like my 49 00:02:55.879 --> 00:02:58.400 wife asked, are they friend or are they foe? Why 50 00:02:58.400 --> 00:03:00.520 don't we start out by just each of you going, 51 00:03:00.599 --> 00:03:04.039 ladies first, tell us in our audience who you are, 52 00:03:04.159 --> 00:03:07.039 what you do, and we'll start there. 53 00:03:08.360 --> 00:03:13.280 Okay. I am Lisa, So Lise and I have a background, 54 00:03:13.439 --> 00:03:16.759 academic background. I took a lot of biology courses, let's 55 00:03:16.759 --> 00:03:17.080 put it. 56 00:03:17.039 --> 00:03:17.879 That way, okay. 57 00:03:17.879 --> 00:03:20.919 And so I've been working with Nick on the occult 58 00:03:20.919 --> 00:03:26.840 rejecks and putting a lot of physiology, biology knowledge to 59 00:03:27.159 --> 00:03:31.319 some of these ancient texts, ancient occultists, mystics, any kind 60 00:03:31.360 --> 00:03:34.360 of practice that they were doing. There's a lot of 61 00:03:34.400 --> 00:03:38.879 symbology that's involved, and you see it being played out 62 00:03:38.879 --> 00:03:41.719 in a lot of the biology that we're seeing today too. 63 00:03:42.120 --> 00:03:44.560 So and Lise, I did watch some of the some 64 00:03:44.599 --> 00:03:46.879 of your episodes. You're very well spoken. I'm glad to 65 00:03:46.919 --> 00:03:47.879 have you with us. TJ. 66 00:03:48.000 --> 00:03:49.000 What's up with you? Brother? 67 00:03:49.639 --> 00:03:50.080 What's up? 68 00:03:50.120 --> 00:03:50.520 What's up? 69 00:03:50.599 --> 00:03:51.159 I'm TJ. 70 00:03:51.840 --> 00:03:56.680 I have a podcast called Contemporary Problems at Contemporary Problems Underscore. 71 00:03:57.520 --> 00:04:01.560 It's full of like philosophy and whimsy and and that 72 00:04:01.639 --> 00:04:03.879 all kind of thing and then with the Oacutt rejects, 73 00:04:03.960 --> 00:04:07.919 I'm a bit of a numerology and gematria and number wizard. 74 00:04:08.680 --> 00:04:10.120 How would you define whimsy? 75 00:04:10.240 --> 00:04:10.520 TJ? 76 00:04:11.680 --> 00:04:11.800 Uh? 77 00:04:12.199 --> 00:04:16.399 Free flowing fun. Uh, just magical, a little bit of 78 00:04:16.439 --> 00:04:19.639 sparkle in the air. Uh, just like open, like I 79 00:04:19.680 --> 00:04:21.800 don't really hold anything back and just kind of like 80 00:04:22.720 --> 00:04:23.399 let it, let it. 81 00:04:23.600 --> 00:04:23.959 I don't know. 82 00:04:24.000 --> 00:04:27.519 It's like a slightly spiritual, but more about having fun. 83 00:04:27.759 --> 00:04:30.160 Even if even if I am focusing on dark subjects 84 00:04:30.240 --> 00:04:32.959 or intense things, I can still always find a joke 85 00:04:33.079 --> 00:04:34.120 or find some sort of light. 86 00:04:35.199 --> 00:04:38.199 Absolutely well, let's let's strive to have a little whimsy 87 00:04:38.279 --> 00:04:42.959 here tonight. We got the the more academic side. From least, 88 00:04:43.040 --> 00:04:46.279 TJ's bringing some whimsy. And what can we look forward 89 00:04:46.319 --> 00:04:48.240 to to from you, mister Marx. 90 00:04:49.480 --> 00:04:53.959 I'm Robert or Robbie Marx. I go by our Marx. Generally, 91 00:04:54.000 --> 00:04:56.680 I'm an artist. I do a lot of stuff for 92 00:04:57.120 --> 00:05:01.839 bands and festivals and nice. Yeah, and generally while I'm 93 00:05:01.879 --> 00:05:05.560 doing the artwork, I'm listening to books for like the 94 00:05:05.639 --> 00:05:07.920 last thirty thirty five, So I do a lot of 95 00:05:08.720 --> 00:05:14.519 research into symbolism, color history, so just kind of whatever 96 00:05:14.680 --> 00:05:17.680 kind of you know, wroad, I end up wherever I am, 97 00:05:17.839 --> 00:05:18.079 you know. 98 00:05:18.279 --> 00:05:21.439 So yeah, very cool, very cool. Great to have you, 99 00:05:21.480 --> 00:05:23.240 Ethan Indigo, what's up with you? Brother? 100 00:05:23.920 --> 00:05:29.000 Honored to be here as well and researcher, and I've 101 00:05:29.040 --> 00:05:34.680 written several books on everything from the political to the spiritual, 102 00:05:35.959 --> 00:05:42.759 esoteric and exoteric, and I practice and teach taichi and 103 00:05:42.800 --> 00:05:46.399 I love exchanging ideas. So it's my honor to be here. 104 00:05:46.439 --> 00:05:47.240 Thanks for having. 105 00:05:47.120 --> 00:05:49.920 Us, Ethan. I just have started. 106 00:05:49.959 --> 00:05:52.959 I've been threatening for years and have looked a little 107 00:05:52.959 --> 00:05:55.920 bit for years, but I just actually have got into 108 00:05:56.040 --> 00:05:59.360 now the past two weeks a tai chi practice. I'm 109 00:05:59.360 --> 00:06:02.519 at like seven minutes, so I'm working up, but it 110 00:06:02.639 --> 00:06:05.879 really I'm sixty one, and I've really begun to see, 111 00:06:06.040 --> 00:06:09.279 even just in the couple of weeks, the fluidity that 112 00:06:09.399 --> 00:06:12.560 comes the move of your chi, your energy, your for all, 113 00:06:12.600 --> 00:06:15.959 whatever you call it. So tai chi great discipline, and 114 00:06:16.199 --> 00:06:18.759 we appreciate it. Can you just real quickly explain to 115 00:06:18.800 --> 00:06:22.160 the audience a difference between esoteric and exoteric? 116 00:06:23.279 --> 00:06:28.519 Well, often we find these kind of opposite sides of 117 00:06:28.560 --> 00:06:37.439 the coin in exploring cultural situations or even or spiritual teachings, 118 00:06:37.839 --> 00:06:43.120 where there can be a esoteric interpretation. It literally means 119 00:06:43.279 --> 00:06:48.040 the indoor teaching as opposed to the outdoor, but I 120 00:06:48.040 --> 00:06:53.160 think beyond that too, it can also differentiate from the 121 00:06:53.199 --> 00:07:01.680 base and the more higher minded. Interesting, so the exoteric 122 00:07:01.839 --> 00:07:05.279 being the more base interpretation. 123 00:07:06.040 --> 00:07:09.959 Right, one maybe for the initiate and one for the 124 00:07:10.000 --> 00:07:11.120 more public. 125 00:07:11.920 --> 00:07:20.240 Necessarily and also the more mundane interpretation, and the more 126 00:07:20.360 --> 00:07:26.399 higher not necessarily like limited to one group or another, 127 00:07:26.480 --> 00:07:31.360 but just kind of falling in that distinction because of 128 00:07:31.680 --> 00:07:36.360 maybe the lack of my mindedness to seek the more 129 00:07:37.000 --> 00:07:42.560 uh you know, quality interpretation and initiatory to your point. 130 00:07:43.199 --> 00:07:46.399 Excellent, Thank you, And last but not least, Nick the 131 00:07:46.439 --> 00:07:47.360 occult rejects. 132 00:07:47.360 --> 00:07:47.720 What's up? 133 00:07:47.720 --> 00:07:48.000 Brother? 134 00:07:48.360 --> 00:07:50.279 Thank you, thank you very much for having me on. 135 00:07:50.319 --> 00:07:53.800 I really appreciate it, my pleasure. One thing I do 136 00:07:53.839 --> 00:07:55.439 want to add, actually is believe it or not, this 137 00:07:55.519 --> 00:07:57.360 is like only half of us I would like to 138 00:07:57.399 --> 00:07:59.639 give to the other ones. I couldn't make it. That 139 00:07:59.680 --> 00:08:03.079 would be JJ vance, headless giant. He might be showing up. 140 00:08:03.079 --> 00:08:05.720 I think he's late. I did send up the link Jin, 141 00:08:05.800 --> 00:08:10.560 the Ninja, Teresa, Mike and Thrash. 142 00:08:09.959 --> 00:08:11.279 They're all you know, they couldn't make it. 143 00:08:11.399 --> 00:08:15.120 Whatever, But we came a little late too. Let's just sorry. 144 00:08:15.160 --> 00:08:17.480 No, I couldn't get every listen. I've never had everybody 145 00:08:17.480 --> 00:08:18.920 on to begin with. I think the most I've ever 146 00:08:18.959 --> 00:08:20.560 had was like seven at a time with the guests. 147 00:08:21.240 --> 00:08:22.439 But I didn't want to give a shout out to 148 00:08:22.480 --> 00:08:24.120 the rest of those, to the rest of the occult 149 00:08:24.120 --> 00:08:29.160 rejects that are not here, uh I myself, you know, 150 00:08:29.920 --> 00:08:32.080 and I hate to write off of it, but I guess, 151 00:08:32.080 --> 00:08:34.600 like you know, just part of my history is he 152 00:08:34.799 --> 00:08:37.559 was a member of the OTO, So I guess like 153 00:08:37.600 --> 00:08:38.240 in a sense. 154 00:08:38.120 --> 00:08:40.559 He could you tell the audience who the OTO is 155 00:08:40.600 --> 00:08:41.399 those that don't know. 156 00:08:41.639 --> 00:08:43.320 The Auto templey orientis. 157 00:08:43.440 --> 00:08:47.840 It was a it was a secret society that Theodore 158 00:08:47.879 --> 00:08:50.799 Ruth started and eventually Alista Curley took over. It was 159 00:08:50.840 --> 00:08:54.919 a Masonic kind of a offspring of the Masonic Masons, 160 00:08:55.000 --> 00:08:57.679 and then eventually House the Crowley came over and changed 161 00:08:57.720 --> 00:08:59.440 it to the Book of the Law, et cetera, et cetera. 162 00:09:00.559 --> 00:09:03.039 I was in that for probably about five or six years, 163 00:09:03.080 --> 00:09:05.480 and it just didn't match what I where I was 164 00:09:05.519 --> 00:09:07.320 going in life. There was just a lot of other 165 00:09:07.360 --> 00:09:10.080 things I didn't agree with, so I stopped going but 166 00:09:10.960 --> 00:09:13.679 you know, eventually I had my own magical experience, in 167 00:09:13.759 --> 00:09:16.039 my opinion a few times, you know, playing with magic, 168 00:09:16.120 --> 00:09:19.919 and when that happened, they just started to realize how 169 00:09:19.919 --> 00:09:22.759 I think prevalent occultism is in society and how much 170 00:09:22.799 --> 00:09:25.600 it's in our face. And then eventually started the show. 171 00:09:26.960 --> 00:09:28.720 The show started off with just me and a co host. 172 00:09:28.799 --> 00:09:31.759 Then eventually like that changed and then it was just 173 00:09:31.799 --> 00:09:35.840 me and other people. And eventually, uh, you know, I 174 00:09:35.840 --> 00:09:38.279 started finding myself working with a bunch of like really 175 00:09:38.440 --> 00:09:41.639 great people that I think we're all kind of aligned 176 00:09:41.639 --> 00:09:45.000 and just trying to study and pass it on. And 177 00:09:45.799 --> 00:09:48.440 at some point I was like, you know why, I 178 00:09:48.559 --> 00:09:50.799 just like get all these guys like just together, you know, 179 00:09:50.919 --> 00:09:55.480 and ladies, and uh, because myself included I, you know, 180 00:09:55.519 --> 00:09:57.200 and the reason I even brought up the otos And 181 00:09:57.240 --> 00:09:59.360 when I look at magic, I will admit that unfortunately 182 00:09:59.399 --> 00:10:02.399 it does have a Q to it because that's what 183 00:10:02.480 --> 00:10:04.200 I was used to and that was around me. 184 00:10:04.720 --> 00:10:05.759 I don't know everything else. 185 00:10:05.799 --> 00:10:07.799 So that's why I got all these other gangsters with me, 186 00:10:08.320 --> 00:10:11.879 so they can cover aspects that I'm met that good on. So, uh, 187 00:10:11.960 --> 00:10:14.600 I guess that's where the show is now. So you know, 188 00:10:14.679 --> 00:10:16.519 not like you know, it's not all about me, It's 189 00:10:16.519 --> 00:10:19.879 about everybody else too that brings to the show. 190 00:10:20.159 --> 00:10:21.399 Absolutely, Lease. 191 00:10:21.600 --> 00:10:25.759 Why is it that we don't see a lot of 192 00:10:26.320 --> 00:10:29.279 ladies involved in this type of a work. I've really 193 00:10:29.600 --> 00:10:31.480 tried to go out of my way to try to 194 00:10:31.519 --> 00:10:34.480 get some more ladies on what I call the deep program, 195 00:10:34.559 --> 00:10:37.080 but it's very hard to find any What do you 196 00:10:37.120 --> 00:10:38.240 think the deal is with that? 197 00:10:39.200 --> 00:10:44.000 When you say on here, what specific like field in our. 198 00:10:43.919 --> 00:10:47.600 Whole in our whole genre of this whole truth or 199 00:10:49.000 --> 00:10:51.039 type of genre, it seems like we have a real 200 00:10:51.480 --> 00:10:54.759 dearth of females and at least in what I've seen. 201 00:10:54.879 --> 00:10:57.320 Maybe I'm wrong, but that's kind of my observation. 202 00:10:58.080 --> 00:11:01.399 No, I think I think there is somewhat of truth 203 00:11:01.440 --> 00:11:03.639 what you're saying. I think a lot of it too. 204 00:11:03.919 --> 00:11:07.639 Is potentially the girls that I know that are in 205 00:11:07.679 --> 00:11:11.399 the truth or community are bad asses to say the least, 206 00:11:11.759 --> 00:11:14.639 and that they have thick skin and they can stand 207 00:11:14.919 --> 00:11:19.600 to be criticized and and basically put stick their neck 208 00:11:19.639 --> 00:11:22.559 out there. It's it does take a huge amount of 209 00:11:22.559 --> 00:11:26.279 courage to do this, just bare bones. And the other 210 00:11:26.320 --> 00:11:28.919 thing is that when you're on the Internet, everything is public, 211 00:11:29.360 --> 00:11:31.639 everything comes out. You know, everybody wants to know where 212 00:11:31.639 --> 00:11:33.480 you're at, where you live, what you do. And I 213 00:11:33.519 --> 00:11:37.360 wonder how much of that is potentially a safety factor 214 00:11:37.480 --> 00:11:39.919 or an intimidation factor. But like I said, the girls 215 00:11:39.960 --> 00:11:41.799 that I do know that are in the truth or community, 216 00:11:41.799 --> 00:11:45.240 regardless if we agree on, you know, the outlook of 217 00:11:45.279 --> 00:11:47.440 how they look at it, they are bad asses, and 218 00:11:47.519 --> 00:11:49.720 so I think that has a lot to do with it. 219 00:11:50.720 --> 00:11:53.879 Well, I think there's definitely an aspect of the safety 220 00:11:53.960 --> 00:11:57.000 thing for sure, and I think, you know, we have 221 00:11:57.080 --> 00:11:58.840 plenty of time, will go wherever you guys want. 222 00:11:58.879 --> 00:12:01.039 But my quest I want to ask you a question, Lise. 223 00:12:01.320 --> 00:12:02.840 You know, with this whole. 224 00:12:02.799 --> 00:12:08.159 Ortho Bros Thing, this whole hyper masculine Christianity thing, blaming 225 00:12:08.600 --> 00:12:12.320 seemingly white ladies for everything, what do you think to 226 00:12:12.399 --> 00:12:13.039 deal is with that? 227 00:12:15.639 --> 00:12:19.240 You mean passing the buck on to the female aspect 228 00:12:19.440 --> 00:12:21.320 of society. 229 00:12:21.480 --> 00:12:24.039 I mean, basically, there's this, you know, I call them 230 00:12:24.039 --> 00:12:28.039 the Ortho Bros, the Eastern Orthodox guys and the Christians 231 00:12:28.080 --> 00:12:31.240 to a lesser extent, But it's all about all of 232 00:12:31.279 --> 00:12:34.919 the problems in society are from white women, and you know, 233 00:12:34.919 --> 00:12:37.399 women should just hush up, be submissive to the men, 234 00:12:37.840 --> 00:12:40.320 and if you don't have your woman under control, then 235 00:12:40.679 --> 00:12:45.440 you're a little simp. I think it's strictly from Judeo 236 00:12:45.519 --> 00:12:50.000 Christian nonsense. I just wondered, as you know, obviously being 237 00:12:50.000 --> 00:12:52.720 a lady yourself, what you thought about it. 238 00:12:53.720 --> 00:12:56.039 I think, and I may be a little bit out 239 00:12:56.080 --> 00:12:57.960 of my element in saying this, but I think that 240 00:12:57.960 --> 00:13:00.639 that is a tale as old as time. It is 241 00:13:00.679 --> 00:13:03.399 you're getting to the shamans in Peru or you're talking 242 00:13:03.440 --> 00:13:09.279 to Judeo Christian belief system, women are always somewhat place 243 00:13:09.559 --> 00:13:12.879 in a lesser role, and I think a lot of 244 00:13:12.919 --> 00:13:16.200 it has to do, in my opinion, one hundred percent bias. 245 00:13:16.240 --> 00:13:21.519 Opinion is that most of these types of teachings, whether 246 00:13:21.559 --> 00:13:24.399 it is shamanism or whether it is on the quest 247 00:13:24.480 --> 00:13:27.960 for searching for the Christ consciousness, there comes a time 248 00:13:28.000 --> 00:13:31.320 where you have to sacrifice a lot, whether it is 249 00:13:31.360 --> 00:13:34.720 through fasting, whether it's through abstinence or anything like that. 250 00:13:34.759 --> 00:13:36.879 And I think that comes easier for a female, so 251 00:13:36.960 --> 00:13:40.360 to speak. And so I wonder how much of that 252 00:13:40.360 --> 00:13:43.480 that plays in, because life comes from the female, and 253 00:13:43.519 --> 00:13:47.960 therefore it might be a bias and you know. I again, 254 00:13:48.120 --> 00:13:50.399 I would say that that would be it. But when 255 00:13:50.440 --> 00:13:54.320 you're talking about actual ethnicity of white women, I will 256 00:13:54.360 --> 00:13:57.039 say that most white women, in terms of looking at 257 00:13:57.080 --> 00:14:00.919 the entire spectrum of ethnicity and racial profiling, it has 258 00:14:01.000 --> 00:14:03.399 been white women that have stuck their knock out, their 259 00:14:03.440 --> 00:14:10.000 neck out and try to ask for voter rights, for law, 260 00:14:10.600 --> 00:14:13.240 what is it land buying and land rights and whatever. 261 00:14:13.279 --> 00:14:16.039 Being in the female so I think they are at 262 00:14:16.039 --> 00:14:19.200 the forefront. They are basically at the front line, whereas 263 00:14:19.519 --> 00:14:23.879 in other cultures I am Hispanic, in other culturals Hispanic 264 00:14:23.919 --> 00:14:26.399 women at least, I'll say this, they have found other 265 00:14:26.519 --> 00:14:31.279 ways to accomplish what they want to accomplish by moving 266 00:14:31.279 --> 00:14:35.240 the family forward, whereas they have probably been further in 267 00:14:35.279 --> 00:14:40.200 a different way at the forefront, moving the feminine ideology forward. 268 00:14:40.519 --> 00:14:43.279 Absolutely, and anybody can jump in on this, But to me, 269 00:14:43.399 --> 00:14:48.039 it seems like they are they being the orthobrotypes. Number one, 270 00:14:48.039 --> 00:14:50.360 they're afraid of females. Number two, I think they may 271 00:14:50.440 --> 00:14:53.639 be compensating for something. And third, I think it's really, 272 00:14:53.679 --> 00:14:59.200 in my opinion, a direct attack at the ancient priestess, 273 00:14:59.279 --> 00:15:04.399 the ancient oracles, and the dynamic, powerful females that I've 274 00:15:04.440 --> 00:15:06.559 always been, in my at least in my opinion and 275 00:15:06.639 --> 00:15:11.279 my experience, my study, you know, very common to the heathen, pagan, 276 00:15:11.399 --> 00:15:14.039 non Christian ways, and I think there's a little bit 277 00:15:14.039 --> 00:15:16.000 of fear in that. What does everybody else think on this? 278 00:15:16.080 --> 00:15:18.200 In this nice see headless giants showing up. 279 00:15:18.639 --> 00:15:21.000 It's good to see you too, Jeff, if I could 280 00:15:21.039 --> 00:15:23.519 pop in. I think it's because they don't really see 281 00:15:23.679 --> 00:15:27.519 the feminine is having a defined role, just as it 282 00:15:27.600 --> 00:15:31.399 was talking about in the Hispanic cultures. Women in those 283 00:15:31.440 --> 00:15:34.279 cultures have a defined role and they're they're you know, 284 00:15:34.639 --> 00:15:38.039 they excel at that role. You know, they're admired for 285 00:15:38.120 --> 00:15:42.360 that role. In our society, you know, with white women, 286 00:15:42.399 --> 00:15:45.879 they're they're expected to be so many different things that 287 00:15:46.080 --> 00:15:50.399 really it's it's nothing feminine that they have a role in. 288 00:15:50.639 --> 00:15:52.840 So the Ortho bros. Are like, well, we can't have 289 00:15:52.960 --> 00:15:56.320 them as speakers because that'll, you know, offset us. More 290 00:15:56.480 --> 00:15:58.679 more guys will be paying attention to them, then they'll 291 00:15:58.759 --> 00:15:59.919 pay attention to us. 292 00:16:00.399 --> 00:16:01.440 So that is a threat. 293 00:16:01.879 --> 00:16:04.799 And there's there's several other ways in which you know, 294 00:16:04.879 --> 00:16:08.840 they don't really fit into this whole red pill paradigm, 295 00:16:08.919 --> 00:16:12.480 you know. And I think in a lot of ways, 296 00:16:12.240 --> 00:16:15.519 what the Christians are expressing is something that has come 297 00:16:15.559 --> 00:16:20.159 along with the kind of first second, third wave feminism, 298 00:16:20.240 --> 00:16:23.440 is that, you know, women are just now finding themselves 299 00:16:23.440 --> 00:16:26.600 in the conservative movement to have a real legitimate role 300 00:16:26.639 --> 00:16:31.440 as the feminine protectors of femininity, you know. I mean 301 00:16:31.639 --> 00:16:35.919 they've basically just discovered that since the Biden administration, when 302 00:16:35.960 --> 00:16:39.320 it was obvious that you know, femininity is being pushed 303 00:16:39.360 --> 00:16:42.720 off for this sort of fake tangential thing that's going 304 00:16:42.759 --> 00:16:45.639 on with the you know, third or fourth wave feminism. 305 00:16:45.759 --> 00:16:48.360 So I think women are coming back into that role. 306 00:16:48.720 --> 00:16:51.320 And as we see that expand, I think, I mean, 307 00:16:51.480 --> 00:16:53.840 Christianity is probably still not going to respect him, but 308 00:16:54.159 --> 00:16:56.240 at the very least, there will be a lot more 309 00:16:56.279 --> 00:17:00.879 admirable qualities coming out of a very defined set of 310 00:17:01.559 --> 00:17:03.000 roles that they play into. 311 00:17:03.320 --> 00:17:05.440 Absolutely anybody else have something to weigh in on this. 312 00:17:07.880 --> 00:17:10.839 I was going to say that an example of the 313 00:17:10.880 --> 00:17:17.720 obsession with gender, or the institutionalization of controlling via gender, 314 00:17:18.680 --> 00:17:24.039 is an example of an exoteric interpretation, right, Trying to 315 00:17:24.519 --> 00:17:30.680 enforce these outer modalities onto others is really base, whereas 316 00:17:31.799 --> 00:17:38.559 internalizing the overcoming the feminine and masculine things that we 317 00:17:38.680 --> 00:17:42.200 all have going on is an example of the kind 318 00:17:42.240 --> 00:17:47.039 of esoteric or internal process. So I think it's such 319 00:17:47.079 --> 00:17:52.799 a simple thing, but society is hell bent on an 320 00:17:52.839 --> 00:17:56.480 obsession with gender and to your point, kind of quiet 321 00:17:56.680 --> 00:18:00.720 or overt control via gender. 322 00:18:01.880 --> 00:18:06.640 Absolutely anything to add on that, Nick TJ. Robbie, I 323 00:18:06.680 --> 00:18:07.880 think you said, mister Mark. 324 00:18:07.920 --> 00:18:12.279 Sorry, I was going to just say that I agree 325 00:18:12.319 --> 00:18:14.200 that I think it is that there is an attack 326 00:18:14.359 --> 00:18:16.680 on the feminine and the feminine energy and the like 327 00:18:16.720 --> 00:18:19.160 divine goddess or like just that whole kind of thing. 328 00:18:20.559 --> 00:18:25.119 In my studies, in reincarnation, you have to pass a 329 00:18:25.119 --> 00:18:28.440 certain kind of you go through like you start as 330 00:18:28.480 --> 00:18:31.519 a rain drop, blade of grass, then you a bug 331 00:18:31.640 --> 00:18:33.000 or whatever you move up the food chain. 332 00:18:33.319 --> 00:18:35.799 But one of the highest. 333 00:18:36.000 --> 00:18:39.839 Honors to be reincarnated is is to be reincarnated as 334 00:18:39.839 --> 00:18:42.680 a woman. That you will first be reincarnated as a 335 00:18:42.759 --> 00:18:45.599 human most likely like ninety like a very high percentage 336 00:18:45.640 --> 00:18:48.000 that you're going to be reincarnated as a man, and 337 00:18:48.039 --> 00:18:50.160 you have to pass certain tests before. 338 00:18:52.519 --> 00:18:56.240 Brought me froze up on us. But that's fascinating, fascinating, Nick, 339 00:18:56.279 --> 00:18:57.039 are you gonna add. 340 00:18:56.839 --> 00:18:57.359 Something to that. 341 00:18:58.759 --> 00:19:00.839 I will admit that I do think, in my opinion, 342 00:19:02.000 --> 00:19:05.279 the idea of the feminine energy or even how that 343 00:19:05.319 --> 00:19:09.279 works when it comes to occultism, you know, even amongst 344 00:19:09.359 --> 00:19:12.559 actual occultists or or just the general public's idea of 345 00:19:12.599 --> 00:19:15.359 magic and occultism and witchcraft and all that stuff. I 346 00:19:15.640 --> 00:19:18.920 do think it's overlooked. I do think it's not quite understood. 347 00:19:19.759 --> 00:19:22.200 I do think some of the secrets, the secrets actually 348 00:19:22.279 --> 00:19:24.920 can be like really found in some of the archetypes 349 00:19:25.680 --> 00:19:29.160 of femininity, you know, even like you know, the whole 350 00:19:29.200 --> 00:19:31.359 idea of the scarlet horror just is a way to 351 00:19:31.440 --> 00:19:35.519 paint paint paint in a really deep occult idea in 352 00:19:35.559 --> 00:19:37.279 a certain light that you won't look at. 353 00:19:37.119 --> 00:19:38.559 It in the right way and they'll just think it's 354 00:19:38.559 --> 00:19:39.359 sexual or bad. 355 00:19:40.480 --> 00:19:42.359 So, you know, I just I just do think that 356 00:19:42.400 --> 00:19:45.200 there is a there is a lot of things, even 357 00:19:45.200 --> 00:19:50.079 in symbolism in art that I think try to neither 358 00:19:50.559 --> 00:19:51.839 try to hide in a sense to. 359 00:19:53.400 --> 00:19:58.440 The importance absolutely, mister Mark's anything to add on that, Oh, I. 360 00:19:58.400 --> 00:20:00.839 Just think it's interesting. You know, you back into the 361 00:20:00.880 --> 00:20:06.279 beginnings of many histories around the world, and traditionally they're 362 00:20:06.279 --> 00:20:10.200 all based around this uh divine androgin that is both 363 00:20:10.319 --> 00:20:14.160 male and female. You have various stories through time, you know, 364 00:20:14.240 --> 00:20:17.720 of Zeus splitting the sexes, this whole idea that you know, 365 00:20:17.839 --> 00:20:22.279 man is from one planet, women's from another. It inherently, 366 00:20:23.599 --> 00:20:27.839 you know, the woman has all the necessary factor for reproduction. 367 00:20:28.720 --> 00:20:30.519 The man just adds variation. 368 00:20:31.720 --> 00:20:31.960 You know. 369 00:20:32.240 --> 00:20:35.599 You can get into the stories of parthogenesis, the stories 370 00:20:35.599 --> 00:20:41.519 of various you know, demasculated gods, and and it's just 371 00:20:41.640 --> 00:20:47.960 interesting how gender and sex through all of time seems 372 00:20:48.000 --> 00:20:51.000 to be some sort of an inherent factor of both 373 00:20:51.880 --> 00:20:55.759 being as one but being broken and needing each other 374 00:20:56.000 --> 00:21:01.160 for the purpose of propagation and moving and though bringing 375 00:21:01.200 --> 00:21:02.519 forth further life. 376 00:21:03.599 --> 00:21:05.559 Is that such a bad thing, needing each other? 377 00:21:06.480 --> 00:21:09.519 I don't think so, you know, I think there's a 378 00:21:09.559 --> 00:21:14.119 necessary function and just in regard to propagation and creation. 379 00:21:14.559 --> 00:21:17.960 And you know, some people even speculate that the G 380 00:21:18.640 --> 00:21:22.240 in the Masonic you know logo is for generation. It's 381 00:21:22.279 --> 00:21:27.200 the secret of creating this wellspring of life itself that 382 00:21:27.240 --> 00:21:30.000 facilitates you know, all of reality. 383 00:21:30.880 --> 00:21:34.079 Interesting. Interesting, now, Nick, you said you had a background 384 00:21:34.079 --> 00:21:37.200 in ceremonial magic. I also had it, did some dabbling 385 00:21:37.279 --> 00:21:41.759 in ceremonial magic, was actually initiated into a magical order. 386 00:21:41.920 --> 00:21:43.519 Anybody else in the panel. 387 00:21:43.400 --> 00:21:47.000 Had ever been through an initiation into a magical order. 388 00:21:50.160 --> 00:21:52.680 No, but I've had lots of experiences. 389 00:21:53.359 --> 00:21:57.200 Yeah, it was very very interesting. I was initiated into 390 00:21:57.240 --> 00:22:02.079 a Triscalian magical order. The guy that ran it was 391 00:22:02.400 --> 00:22:06.799 a Freemason, so imagined the initiation was super duper freemason 392 00:22:07.039 --> 00:22:09.880 esque and it kind of freaked me out. I did 393 00:22:09.880 --> 00:22:11.680 it because I thought it might be a way to 394 00:22:11.720 --> 00:22:16.200 open up to some new understandings, new teachings, maybe you know, 395 00:22:16.279 --> 00:22:19.839 new abilities, But basically it just really really freaked me out. 396 00:22:20.359 --> 00:22:23.319 My wife was their assisting, she was part of the 397 00:22:23.880 --> 00:22:27.039 part of the initiation, and I found it to be 398 00:22:27.400 --> 00:22:32.880 very very unsettling. Nick, did your experience prove unsettling ultimately 399 00:22:32.880 --> 00:22:33.960 and that's why you're not in it? 400 00:22:34.079 --> 00:22:35.519 Or I don't know what you want to share? 401 00:22:36.720 --> 00:22:37.039