WEBVTT 1 00:00:14.320 --> 00:00:16.679 All right, hi guys, I'm here with Gary from nerd 2 00:00:16.760 --> 00:00:20.359 Rotic And also he has a and related to like 3 00:00:20.399 --> 00:00:23.199 ancient history. He has a live that he does on 4 00:00:23.600 --> 00:00:28.719 Sundays right called bit in Frontier and that specifically goes 5 00:00:28.760 --> 00:00:33.520 into a lot of the you know, like the alternative 6 00:00:33.560 --> 00:00:36.079 ancient history stuff. I guess you would say, if you 7 00:00:36.079 --> 00:00:39.000 can word it that way, so welcome aboard, hello. 8 00:00:39.119 --> 00:00:39.520 Thank you. 9 00:00:39.600 --> 00:00:41.799 It really needs a term because like there's still even 10 00:00:41.840 --> 00:00:46.600 though they say uIP, there's uphology, Like ancient civilizations need 11 00:00:46.719 --> 00:00:50.520 something sharp that just rolls off the tongue and we 12 00:00:50.600 --> 00:00:51.520 don't have it yet. 13 00:00:51.840 --> 00:00:53.679 I say, you don't have it yet. 14 00:00:54.119 --> 00:00:57.880 Alternative I mean, like you can't just say ancient history 15 00:00:57.920 --> 00:01:00.560 because then that's like because it's it's a little bit 16 00:01:00.560 --> 00:01:04.319 different than the main stream. But this, you know, so 17 00:01:04.400 --> 00:01:07.040 it yeah, it is, it is. Uh, it is, it's pretty, 18 00:01:07.400 --> 00:01:10.840 it's it indeeds its own space. Okay, So then like 19 00:01:11.519 --> 00:01:13.480 how did you get into this because this is something 20 00:01:14.159 --> 00:01:19.200 So I met Gary in Peru back in was that November? Yeah, 21 00:01:19.239 --> 00:01:26.280 October and November, and like I uh yeah, like you're 22 00:01:26.319 --> 00:01:28.560 you're deep in the woods, You're deep in the weeds 23 00:01:28.560 --> 00:01:30.920 with this stuff. So how did you give me give 24 00:01:31.000 --> 00:01:34.120 us start us off with your journey into the alternative 25 00:01:34.120 --> 00:01:34.959 ancient world. 26 00:01:35.840 --> 00:01:38.359 Okay, it starts out really early. I'll try to keep 27 00:01:38.400 --> 00:01:39.599 this brief as possible. 28 00:01:39.879 --> 00:01:40.359 Uh. 29 00:01:40.400 --> 00:01:42.760 When I was a kid, I watched In Search Of 30 00:01:43.040 --> 00:01:46.239 So that was my gateway. Leonard Nimoy hosted it. So 31 00:01:46.319 --> 00:01:48.319 Spock was hosting the show. Of course I'm going to 32 00:01:48.359 --> 00:01:51.519 watch it. I was like six, and every story creeped 33 00:01:51.519 --> 00:01:54.400 me out, but I loved it. And if you you 34 00:01:54.480 --> 00:01:56.359 might be young, so if you don't remember In Search 35 00:01:56.439 --> 00:01:59.079 Of it was like a little half hour show where 36 00:01:59.200 --> 00:02:04.000 they would go into ancient mysteries, uphology, missing people, Amelia Earhart, 37 00:02:04.120 --> 00:02:07.439 the there's a famous clip out there that they're going 38 00:02:07.480 --> 00:02:08.879 to see We're going to be in a nice age 39 00:02:08.879 --> 00:02:09.439 by now. 40 00:02:09.759 --> 00:02:13.000 You know that goes around. I think even Randall shared 41 00:02:13.000 --> 00:02:13.479 that clip. 42 00:02:13.800 --> 00:02:17.159 But it was a great show, and it would talk 43 00:02:17.199 --> 00:02:19.560 about the Bermuda Triangle. 44 00:02:20.680 --> 00:02:23.400 So I was into that show. So my mom got 45 00:02:23.479 --> 00:02:24.039 me a book. 46 00:02:24.879 --> 00:02:29.120 Uh, Charls Charles Burlitz is the Bermuda Triangle, and I 47 00:02:29.199 --> 00:02:32.159 think I read that when I was like eight or nine. 48 00:02:32.879 --> 00:02:34.639 You know, it's one of like, honestly one of the 49 00:02:34.639 --> 00:02:38.919 first full books I ever read and aside from Hitchhiker, 50 00:02:39.240 --> 00:02:42.280 and it blew my mind. So I wanted to read 51 00:02:42.319 --> 00:02:47.719 more Charles Burlitz and I found Eric von Danakin, I 52 00:02:47.759 --> 00:02:51.400 found Zachariah Sitchen. So I was doing this as a kid, 53 00:02:51.479 --> 00:02:54.439 and I was just I was into it because I 54 00:02:54.520 --> 00:02:57.280 liked the whole mystery of it, and uh, I just 55 00:02:57.319 --> 00:03:00.439 didn't want to believe that there's this linear world even 56 00:03:00.919 --> 00:03:03.520 when I was younger. Now I'm not saying I believed 57 00:03:03.599 --> 00:03:06.080 everything in it, but it was, if anything, it was 58 00:03:06.080 --> 00:03:11.240 a cool story. So yeah, I've been into U apology 59 00:03:12.280 --> 00:03:15.479 from a very early age, just a fan, and I guess. 60 00:03:15.319 --> 00:03:17.879 That's the best way to put I'm an enthusiast. 61 00:03:18.159 --> 00:03:21.360 And then I started, you know, and that stayed with me, 62 00:03:21.400 --> 00:03:23.759 and I read those books and I kind of kept 63 00:03:23.759 --> 00:03:24.719 it secret, you know. 64 00:03:24.759 --> 00:03:26.599 It was kind of like being a nerd back in 65 00:03:26.639 --> 00:03:27.000 the day. 66 00:03:28.120 --> 00:03:30.479 It's not something you told like your girlfriend if you 67 00:03:30.520 --> 00:03:33.199 wanted a Girlfriend's not like you don't hit them up 68 00:03:33.240 --> 00:03:35.919 in the first day, like I'm really in the UFOs 69 00:03:35.919 --> 00:03:41.800 in Atlantis, you know. But luckily my wife of twenty 70 00:03:41.840 --> 00:03:43.879 one years, so I've known for forty years, is completely 71 00:03:43.919 --> 00:03:47.080 into this stuff. Who you met, but then you know, 72 00:03:47.520 --> 00:03:50.520 it was just a hobby and I read. I've read 73 00:03:50.560 --> 00:03:54.400 more books on this subject than anything else, even like fantasy, 74 00:03:54.439 --> 00:03:58.000 I mean outside of comic books, but like books without pictures. 75 00:03:58.280 --> 00:04:01.639 The most books I've read are in this field. And 76 00:04:01.680 --> 00:04:05.479 I listened to Art Bell every night without question, like 77 00:04:05.639 --> 00:04:10.159 every night, I didn't miss Art Bell, and I just 78 00:04:10.199 --> 00:04:13.680 became obsessed with the mystery and I leaned way more 79 00:04:13.800 --> 00:04:17.040 into ancient civilizations because I was more of a UFO guy, 80 00:04:17.160 --> 00:04:19.439 really liked the X Files and all that, you know. 81 00:04:19.800 --> 00:04:22.959 But when Graham Hancock's book came out, and because I 82 00:04:23.000 --> 00:04:26.600 heard him on Art Bell, bought his book immediately, And 83 00:04:26.720 --> 00:04:31.680 that's what really like because I felt like UFO, I 84 00:04:31.759 --> 00:04:35.199 love it. We don't have any really solid evidence yet. 85 00:04:35.240 --> 00:04:38.720 What Graham was getting into is there is evidence of 86 00:04:38.800 --> 00:04:42.040 ancient civilizations spread throughout this planet. 87 00:04:42.160 --> 00:04:43.360 I'm putting it very simply. 88 00:04:43.360 --> 00:04:45.639 There's a lot of similarities and it seemed to make 89 00:04:45.639 --> 00:04:47.720 a lot of sense to me. And this is prior 90 00:04:47.759 --> 00:04:49.879 to us knowing about the Younger Dryist or anything. We 91 00:04:49.959 --> 00:04:54.600 just didn't know what caused it. And that's what I 92 00:04:54.680 --> 00:04:57.439 kind of locked in on because there was something tangible 93 00:04:57.439 --> 00:05:00.519 here and I'm like, no, this this could have actually happened, 94 00:05:00.759 --> 00:05:04.759 like Atlantis could have been a story from something it 95 00:05:04.759 --> 00:05:09.600 it it makes sense. So when I started looking more 96 00:05:09.600 --> 00:05:11.959 into it, I read way more books than I probably 97 00:05:11.959 --> 00:05:16.399 should have. I dived into Michael Kremo's home, Uh forbid 98 00:05:16.480 --> 00:05:17.199 and archaeology. 99 00:05:17.279 --> 00:05:20.199 That thing is huge. Uh. There's an audiobook out there 100 00:05:20.240 --> 00:05:21.720 that's the abridge version. This thing is. 101 00:05:21.920 --> 00:05:22.720 That's what I start. 102 00:05:22.800 --> 00:05:22.920 Like. 103 00:05:22.959 --> 00:05:24.240 You were the one who told me you got to 104 00:05:24.279 --> 00:05:26.439 read you gotta read Michael Krimo's thing. And I was 105 00:05:26.480 --> 00:05:29.439 like okay, and I and I started with the audio 106 00:05:29.720 --> 00:05:33.000 and it is it's even that is dance though it's 107 00:05:33.040 --> 00:05:34.680 it's a lot, but it's good. 108 00:05:35.439 --> 00:05:37.720 It's all information and it's dance. 109 00:05:37.759 --> 00:05:42.920 And uh, you know, I like David Hatcherck Childress and 110 00:05:42.920 --> 00:05:44.439 and then we've seen we've seen. 111 00:05:44.279 --> 00:05:47.360 It blow up, you know, like even your sphere that 112 00:05:47.439 --> 00:05:48.199 you're in right now. 113 00:05:48.920 --> 00:05:52.839 Uh, and could thank ancient aliens, Like ancient aliens has 114 00:05:52.879 --> 00:05:54.240 done so much for this sphere. 115 00:05:54.319 --> 00:05:54.480 Now. 116 00:05:54.560 --> 00:05:56.199 I know a lot of people I could go get 117 00:05:56.240 --> 00:05:57.800 away from the alien stuff. And I agree, I think 118 00:05:57.800 --> 00:06:00.399 it's man but uh, and I believe in aliens. But 119 00:06:01.600 --> 00:06:04.759 it has shown more of the world than you're like 120 00:06:06.040 --> 00:06:09.000 than your average nature show. It's on twenty one seasons 121 00:06:09.079 --> 00:06:11.480 and it goes to Puma Puku all the freaking time. 122 00:06:11.680 --> 00:06:14.480 And now, like I learned about the Nasca lines from 123 00:06:14.519 --> 00:06:17.000 Ancient Aliens, like being honest, it's it's one of the 124 00:06:17.000 --> 00:06:20.399 first episodes, and I remember being like, wait, what, Like, 125 00:06:20.439 --> 00:06:22.720 how come I've never even heard of this place before. 126 00:06:22.839 --> 00:06:26.439 That's weird and like you learn about like I've learned 127 00:06:26.439 --> 00:06:29.079 a band of holes and all that stuff from ancient Aliens. 128 00:06:29.079 --> 00:06:31.000 That's the first exposure I ever got to some of 129 00:06:31.000 --> 00:06:34.040 these weird places. So I don't knock ancient aliens. I 130 00:06:34.079 --> 00:06:36.040 think they they do something. 131 00:06:36.040 --> 00:06:38.120 I think they've done a lot of good, you know, 132 00:06:38.199 --> 00:06:41.399 a lot of crazy, like of course they get to 133 00:06:41.600 --> 00:06:46.279 of course, ancient alien theorists agree, you know, it's crazy, but. 134 00:06:47.959 --> 00:06:49.680 It's done more for this field than anybody. 135 00:06:49.759 --> 00:06:53.160 Graham Hancock was on early episodes, and now Graham Hancock 136 00:06:53.240 --> 00:06:56.000 has specials when you know it all blew up when 137 00:06:56.399 --> 00:06:59.439 Randall and Graham were together on Joe Rogan. I have 138 00:06:59.560 --> 00:07:06.040 listened to there three episodes fifty times each, like I 139 00:07:06.079 --> 00:07:08.160 go back to it like once every couple months now, 140 00:07:08.199 --> 00:07:10.399 like I still listen to those episodes because they're so 141 00:07:10.560 --> 00:07:13.480 damn good and that like really brought it to the 142 00:07:13.519 --> 00:07:16.120 masses that led to the Special And I think the 143 00:07:16.160 --> 00:07:18.759 reason I focus on this one again is because it's 144 00:07:18.800 --> 00:07:21.839 so tangible. I like all the stuff, like I've never 145 00:07:21.879 --> 00:07:24.959 seen a UFO, and I think the one thing I 146 00:07:25.319 --> 00:07:29.519 know it sucks. I've tried it. Okay, No, I've tried 147 00:07:29.600 --> 00:07:32.800 so freaking hard. I've I've laid out at Joshua Tree. 148 00:07:32.839 --> 00:07:34.879 I've gone like hiked out in the desert where there's 149 00:07:34.920 --> 00:07:38.800 no light, like there's no light pollution anywhere, and spent 150 00:07:38.879 --> 00:07:42.279 two nights. 151 00:07:42.319 --> 00:07:45.600 And Okay, yeah, I've done. I've tried. 152 00:07:46.319 --> 00:07:48.519 But the one thing I've had an experience with would 153 00:07:48.560 --> 00:07:51.600 be the one thing I wouldn't believe at all unless 154 00:07:51.600 --> 00:07:53.360 I had an experience was ghosts. 155 00:07:53.720 --> 00:07:57.240 You know. That's that's the thing I've had a real experience. 156 00:07:57.279 --> 00:08:00.399 Okay, tell us this. I love. I love paranormals, I 157 00:08:00.399 --> 00:08:02.240 love the wu eat just as much as I love 158 00:08:02.519 --> 00:08:04.519 ancient history. But so tell me about the ghost thing. 159 00:08:04.600 --> 00:08:06.079 I got to hear this, Okay. 160 00:08:06.160 --> 00:08:10.160 So I grew up in southern California and a little 161 00:08:10.160 --> 00:08:14.759 beach town outside north of San Diego called Encinitas where 162 00:08:14.800 --> 00:08:17.959 we have the La Paloma Theater and we did Rocky 163 00:08:18.000 --> 00:08:22.480 Horror every Friday and Saturday night as teenagers. And for 164 00:08:22.560 --> 00:08:25.639 a while I lived there and worked in the theater, 165 00:08:25.759 --> 00:08:28.439 cleaning it up afterwards and stuff. So it's an old 166 00:08:28.480 --> 00:08:31.240 nineteen twenties theater where they used to have the piano 167 00:08:31.240 --> 00:08:34.600 player and stuff. So it has a stage, there's a screen, 168 00:08:34.639 --> 00:08:37.159 and then there's a stage like where you can like 169 00:08:37.440 --> 00:08:40.279 and bands play, though Mega Death is pre so under 170 00:08:40.320 --> 00:08:42.440 the stage is the dressing room, so you can. 171 00:08:42.320 --> 00:08:44.480 Go out a door and go under the stage. 172 00:08:44.879 --> 00:08:47.399 And that's where we were hanging out one night after 173 00:08:47.519 --> 00:08:50.120 Rocky Horror. And we've always heard the places haunted, right, 174 00:08:50.240 --> 00:08:52.919 and I didn't have an experience for the first year there. 175 00:08:53.759 --> 00:08:55.519 But this is the best one. This isn't the only one. 176 00:08:55.519 --> 00:08:56.399 This is the best one. 177 00:08:56.919 --> 00:09:00.360 So I had locked up, I know everybody was gone, 178 00:09:00.759 --> 00:09:04.480 and it was me and two friends just hanging out down. 179 00:09:04.279 --> 00:09:06.600 There, just shooting the you know what. 180 00:09:07.200 --> 00:09:11.519 And uh, we hear some footsteps over the over the stage, 181 00:09:11.559 --> 00:09:13.720 like right above us, and I'm like, somebody's here. 182 00:09:13.919 --> 00:09:16.120 Somebody must have hit out and they're gonna scare us 183 00:09:16.200 --> 00:09:17.519 or something like that. So we went up. 184 00:09:18.000 --> 00:09:20.559 We searched the entire theater and I knew every crack 185 00:09:20.639 --> 00:09:23.480 and crevice of it, and it's got like little access time. 186 00:09:23.559 --> 00:09:28.879 It's crazy, nobody was there. Go back down, hear the 187 00:09:28.960 --> 00:09:35.039 damn steps again, go back up, check everything, and I'm like, okay, 188 00:09:35.120 --> 00:09:35.960 this is getting weird. 189 00:09:36.519 --> 00:09:40.000 On the third time, we were sufficiently freaked. 190 00:09:39.600 --> 00:09:43.600 Out that we went to go leave, and as we're leaving, 191 00:09:43.720 --> 00:09:45.159 there's a taco shop across the street. 192 00:09:45.159 --> 00:09:46.639 We're like, We're gonna go get some burritos. 193 00:09:46.679 --> 00:09:48.399 I'm out of here, dude, like, And I had to 194 00:09:48.399 --> 00:09:52.919 go back there and sleep, which sucked. The front doors 195 00:09:53.399 --> 00:09:55.879 shook right in front of us, so I'm thinking there's 196 00:09:55.879 --> 00:09:58.559 somebody outside there, so we unlocked the front doors. Look out, 197 00:09:58.679 --> 00:10:01.600 nobody there. So we just went f this place and 198 00:10:01.639 --> 00:10:04.679 got the hell out, you know, you know, got okay. 199 00:10:04.960 --> 00:10:07.080 Was I a little stoned at the time, Yeah, but stone, 200 00:10:07.159 --> 00:10:10.000 Like being stone doesn't make you hallucinate, okay. Uh But 201 00:10:10.759 --> 00:10:13.240 and that was like one of the one time I 202 00:10:13.279 --> 00:10:15.799 was there with my girlfriend and the projection brute booth, 203 00:10:16.080 --> 00:10:22.000 she got her necklace just yanked. We were always hearing noises, 204 00:10:22.360 --> 00:10:25.200 we were always hearing little whispers and stuff. 205 00:10:25.200 --> 00:10:27.759 It's it's because it gets really quiet in there. 206 00:10:27.759 --> 00:10:29.919 And I slept in there, which I wasn't supposed to, 207 00:10:30.360 --> 00:10:32.519 but uh, you know, I was kind of a runaway 208 00:10:32.559 --> 00:10:36.200 teenager at the time, and it was the creepiest place, 209 00:10:36.200 --> 00:10:39.240 and two people had died in there, so I would say, like. 210 00:10:39.159 --> 00:10:41.759 If it's like, okay, so maybe some people died in there, 211 00:10:41.840 --> 00:10:42.960 oh okay. 212 00:10:42.679 --> 00:10:45.679 Yep, that's my experience. And and if I didn't have that, 213 00:10:45.720 --> 00:10:49.399 I think ghosts were complete bys. But and what they 214 00:10:49.440 --> 00:10:53.639 are I have no idea interdimensional uh leftover kinetic energy. 215 00:10:53.679 --> 00:10:54.840 I don't know. I don't know. 216 00:10:55.039 --> 00:10:56.919 I don't know, because you know, like I recently heard 217 00:10:56.919 --> 00:11:02.000 the story about this guy who basic went back to 218 00:11:02.080 --> 00:11:04.679 like his childhood home and he kept on seeing a 219 00:11:04.720 --> 00:11:07.679 ghost of his aunt and uncle fighting in this room. 220 00:11:08.159 --> 00:11:10.519 And he was like, the thing is, my aunt is 221 00:11:10.559 --> 00:11:13.399 still alive. My uncle's dead, but my aunt is still alive. 222 00:11:13.440 --> 00:11:16.279 So he's like, it's not like her dead soul incarnated. 223 00:11:16.360 --> 00:11:19.000 Like so people have also talked about it could be 224 00:11:19.039 --> 00:11:22.360 like an impressionable moment in time, like a feedback loop 225 00:11:22.399 --> 00:11:25.759 of like a It's almost like something gets super etched 226 00:11:25.799 --> 00:11:28.320 deep into the record of time and then it keeps 227 00:11:28.360 --> 00:11:33.080 like overlapping. So yeah, so ghosts are very mysterious. I 228 00:11:33.399 --> 00:11:40.320 love that stuff. But okay, so like which place is 229 00:11:40.320 --> 00:11:42.799 the most mysterious for you? Like which? Like would you 230 00:11:42.879 --> 00:11:44.919 like Egypt the most? Do you like? What's your thing? 231 00:11:45.879 --> 00:11:47.200 Oh? 232 00:11:48.240 --> 00:11:50.480 I would have to say it right now, it's Turkey, 233 00:11:51.679 --> 00:11:55.080 and like it would like Egypt's the go to. Egypt's 234 00:11:55.120 --> 00:11:57.679 like the obvious one. You know, when you say, well, 235 00:11:57.679 --> 00:11:59.639 what's the greatest movie you ever made? You go, well, 236 00:11:59.639 --> 00:12:01.679 the Lord of the Rings trilogy, But then you consider 237 00:12:01.759 --> 00:12:02.399 everything else. 238 00:12:02.639 --> 00:12:04.399 That's kind of what Egypt is. 239 00:12:04.840 --> 00:12:09.279 But Turkey with go Beckley Tepe and Darren Kuyu and 240 00:12:09.399 --> 00:12:12.200 like just and all the new stuff they're digging up 241 00:12:12.279 --> 00:12:15.000 seems like the craziest to me. Now, we went to 242 00:12:15.440 --> 00:12:18.519 the place I always wanted to go from being a kid, 243 00:12:18.960 --> 00:12:22.039 and and you know what I was first familiar with 244 00:12:22.120 --> 00:12:24.200 was Machu Pichu, but it was all the other stuff, 245 00:12:24.200 --> 00:12:27.000 Like Machu Picha was cool, don't get me wrong, really cool, but. 246 00:12:26.960 --> 00:12:27.840 Everything else we saw. 247 00:12:28.159 --> 00:12:30.320 But Turkey right now seems like it's got the most 248 00:12:30.360 --> 00:12:35.399 going on, and it's still early stages, and unfortunately it's 249 00:12:35.440 --> 00:12:37.759 getting touristy now and I would have loved to have 250 00:12:37.799 --> 00:12:41.080 caught it a little earlier. But like those those little 251 00:12:41.120 --> 00:12:43.320 moments we had in Peru where we didn't where we 252 00:12:43.320 --> 00:12:45.960 could go just explore, And I remember you talking about 253 00:12:45.960 --> 00:12:48.080 this like we weren't helped. You know, there's no fences 254 00:12:48.080 --> 00:12:50.080 blocking us from anything, and we could just go climb 255 00:12:50.080 --> 00:12:54.960 over stuff. That's what I feel like you still until 256 00:12:55.039 --> 00:12:57.559 very recently could have done in Turkey, and probably still 257 00:12:57.559 --> 00:12:58.559 can in a lot of places. 258 00:12:58.600 --> 00:13:01.360 But uh yeah, like well, well, I mean I just 259 00:13:01.360 --> 00:13:03.600 got back from Turkey with Jimmy and Mike and like 260 00:13:03.759 --> 00:13:06.720 we were able to go to like go Beckley Teppe is. 261 00:13:07.720 --> 00:13:11.519 It's horrible in terms of you you're on a platform, 262 00:13:11.519 --> 00:13:13.399 you can't see anything, you can't get up close to anything. 263 00:13:13.440 --> 00:13:16.240 It's like that one's done, you know in terms of 264 00:13:17.240 --> 00:13:21.840 like having your awe moment. But Krahan Teppe is still 265 00:13:21.879 --> 00:13:23.759 they haven't put the thing on it yet, you can 266 00:13:23.799 --> 00:13:26.360 still no one was there. We just walked around and 267 00:13:26.360 --> 00:13:30.879 then that other one cyberc like, yeah, there's a lot 268 00:13:30.919 --> 00:13:33.919 of them. What's really sad about Turkey is like they've 269 00:13:34.039 --> 00:13:37.120 excavated them and then abandoned them. And then they're just 270 00:13:37.240 --> 00:13:40.600 kind of I mean, well, I mean there's a whole 271 00:13:40.639 --> 00:13:43.440 lot of crazy stuff going. I just feel like really 272 00:13:43.519 --> 00:13:47.799 bad stewardship of the land, Like it's just crazy how how. 273 00:13:49.919 --> 00:13:52.159 Yeah, they it's a mystery aspect of it though. 274 00:13:52.200 --> 00:13:54.799 It's where it's lighting up, where it's near the Euphrates 275 00:13:54.840 --> 00:13:59.879 and the Tigers River, Noah's Arc and was Noah's Arc 276 00:14:00.600 --> 00:14:03.440 Darren cooyu was it? Like was it an actual arc? 277 00:14:04.519 --> 00:14:07.039 And it and it really points and just how old 278 00:14:07.080 --> 00:14:08.440 it is in insane. 279 00:14:08.279 --> 00:14:11.600 So this is like this is nicky wo and like, yes, 280 00:14:11.679 --> 00:14:14.360 let's go. I would not say this, but like Darren 281 00:14:14.440 --> 00:14:18.559 coou totally gave me the creeps. Like so I was 282 00:14:18.639 --> 00:14:21.799 down in it and it was like you're talking twenty 283 00:14:21.840 --> 00:14:24.360 stories down. It's not It's like I was thinking, it's 284 00:14:24.440 --> 00:14:26.480 like by a mountain and then you go into a 285 00:14:26.519 --> 00:14:29.559 cave and then no, it's like a feel like when 286 00:14:29.600 --> 00:14:32.279 you're on the outside of Darrenko you're looking around, it's 287 00:14:32.360 --> 00:14:34.440 there's nothing that you would think there would be any 288 00:14:34.519 --> 00:14:38.440 kind of underground. It's just flat plane and there's mountains 289 00:14:38.480 --> 00:14:40.720 off in the distance but nowhere near it. And then 290 00:14:40.799 --> 00:14:43.720 you walk down these little steps, and then you're you're 291 00:14:43.759 --> 00:14:46.440 in a city that goes like twenty stories down even 292 00:14:46.480 --> 00:14:48.759 to an underground river. Like how they even knew to 293 00:14:48.759 --> 00:14:50.720 find that underground river is beyond me. 294 00:14:51.159 --> 00:14:51.399 Yeah. 295 00:14:51.879 --> 00:14:55.919 What was weird is like there's not one like enclave 296 00:14:56.879 --> 00:14:59.559 for a sculpture or like a shelf that any by. 297 00:14:59.759 --> 00:15:03.559 No body carved anything cool, there's nothing. It is like 298 00:15:03.879 --> 00:15:09.440 the most barren like utilitarian situation I've ever seen. Like 299 00:15:09.919 --> 00:15:14.080 I don't think it was made by humans. Okay, I'm 300 00:15:14.080 --> 00:15:17.639 just gonna say I think we're dealing with like high 301 00:15:17.679 --> 00:15:18.840 Ho high Ho. 302 00:15:19.360 --> 00:15:22.879 Dwarves, dwarfs or something language. 303 00:15:22.960 --> 00:15:25.519 But like I don't know, I do think we're talking 304 00:15:25.559 --> 00:15:27.960 more Lord of the Rings than we okay. And then 305 00:15:28.000 --> 00:15:31.519 also right by it, when you go to Hatshootsa, which 306 00:15:31.559 --> 00:15:33.759 is a couple hours away from it, though, there's literally 307 00:15:33.960 --> 00:15:37.320 things that look like dwarfs with the even the like 308 00:15:37.399 --> 00:15:41.399 elf hats that fold over like Santa Claus thing barved 309 00:15:41.440 --> 00:15:44.639 all over the walls. So I'm going like well, and 310 00:15:44.679 --> 00:15:46.480 they're like, well, that's just like there's dress they used 311 00:15:46.519 --> 00:15:49.080 to wear back there but in the Anatola region, and 312 00:15:49.080 --> 00:15:53.240 I'm like, or there dwarfs for their elves or something. 313 00:15:53.279 --> 00:15:57.320 I don't know, but whatever built Darren Koger thought differently 314 00:15:57.360 --> 00:16:00.840 than humans because I don't care if we were, I 315 00:16:00.840 --> 00:16:03.360 don't care what kind of situation it was. But if 316 00:16:03.399 --> 00:16:06.919 a human is down underneath the ground digging twenty stories 317 00:16:06.919 --> 00:16:09.039 and they're having to be there for any length of time, 318 00:16:09.320 --> 00:16:10.919 you have me in there for a week, I'm gonna 319 00:16:10.919 --> 00:16:14.360 be like, here's my name, or I'm gonna drawling a 320 00:16:14.440 --> 00:16:17.960 spiral something or car you know, and it's it's can 321 00:16:18.000 --> 00:16:22.600 be carved into. It's like soft I don't know, earth 322 00:16:22.720 --> 00:16:25.759 stuff and nothing. It just all looks like these little 323 00:16:26.159 --> 00:16:28.000 crazy utilitarian. 324 00:16:27.720 --> 00:16:32.240 Very efficient, very pragmatic, and that's not the way we are. 325 00:16:32.320 --> 00:16:35.759 That's what really stands out in the caves in China, 326 00:16:36.159 --> 00:16:40.799 those crazy caves in India cave is that that's why 327 00:16:41.240 --> 00:16:43.960 those look to be okay, so they can look ancient 328 00:16:44.120 --> 00:16:47.320 or they some of them look futuristic to me, like 329 00:16:48.279 --> 00:16:51.559 something something really advanced with no ego that wasn't going 330 00:16:51.639 --> 00:16:54.639 to sign their Yes, they're on the Indian caves, there's 331 00:16:54.679 --> 00:16:57.720 there's a signature, but it's clearly done after these things 332 00:16:57.720 --> 00:17:01.919 were right, and the engineer in those things is insane. 333 00:17:02.039 --> 00:17:09.279 So that's it looks very utilitarian, almost brutalist, and uh 334 00:17:09.319 --> 00:17:11.119 and yeah, there's no signatures. 335 00:17:11.119 --> 00:17:14.839 There's no like Bob was here, you know, or Gimli 336 00:17:15.079 --> 00:17:16.759 was here, but or. 337 00:17:16.839 --> 00:17:19.960 Like let's make this room a little bit cooler and 338 00:17:20.000 --> 00:17:23.400 have like art roof, and like do I mean we 339 00:17:23.799 --> 00:17:26.960 there was no artistry into it. 340 00:17:27.200 --> 00:17:31.960 Security engineering, which is cool and and sterile and a 341 00:17:31.960 --> 00:17:34.200 little creepy and a little creepy. 342 00:17:34.359 --> 00:17:37.720 Yeah. Yeah, So that's why I was like, uh, okay, 343 00:17:37.839 --> 00:17:39.839 I'm down here going like I don't know what this 344 00:17:39.920 --> 00:17:42.720 thing was, but it wasn't. But I sort of think 345 00:17:42.759 --> 00:17:45.640 the same way about like some of the stuff like 346 00:17:46.400 --> 00:17:49.240 in Peru, even when we're at sax A Woman, which 347 00:17:49.720 --> 00:17:52.880 is my mecca. That's like the bit the mess, the 348 00:17:52.920 --> 00:17:56.839 craziest thing ever. But I don't I'm looking at the 349 00:17:56.920 --> 00:17:59.759 polygonal ways in which they did the stones, and I'm 350 00:17:59.799 --> 00:18:02.480 going like, we don't humans don't think that way. We 351 00:18:02.559 --> 00:18:07.279 don't pre struct puzzles like I mean, I don't know. 352 00:18:07.359 --> 00:18:11.079 I feel like sometimes I don't know if it is 353 00:18:11.200 --> 00:18:14.400 giants who thought differently or if it's like dragged I 354 00:18:14.400 --> 00:18:16.240 don't know who is it is, but I feel like 355 00:18:16.319 --> 00:18:22.039 something was maybe a homited like relative but not exactly 356 00:18:22.039 --> 00:18:26.279 what we are today thought and anyway, their brain structure 357 00:18:26.319 --> 00:18:28.160 of how they constructed was different. 358 00:18:29.440 --> 00:18:32.279 So I think, yeah, I think that's something that probably 359 00:18:32.319 --> 00:18:35.599 needs I think it will be explored more. We don't 360 00:18:35.599 --> 00:18:38.799 have an enough evidence, but I talk about this a 361 00:18:38.839 --> 00:18:41.960 ton on the show. But this Graham Hancock tweeted about it. 362 00:18:42.960 --> 00:18:48.640 Cave of Bones, that documentary on Netflix about the homited 363 00:18:49.160 --> 00:18:52.119 species that pretty much looked like chimps, so they had 364 00:18:52.160 --> 00:18:56.039 smaller brains than we did. They were like tall upright chimps. 365 00:18:56.519 --> 00:19:01.559 It's called Cave of Bones. And the scientist found ritual 366 00:19:01.640 --> 00:19:07.559 bury burying, so like they were not just like they 367 00:19:07.559 --> 00:19:10.839 were burying their dead in fetal positions, and they were 368 00:19:10.839 --> 00:19:14.359 putting tools in their hands. They were showing reverence, they 369 00:19:14.359 --> 00:19:18.000 were putting signs. Also, they walked down this insanely dangerous 370 00:19:18.079 --> 00:19:22.640 cave basically for this tomb. So they had reverence for 371 00:19:22.720 --> 00:19:25.440 their dead, which is a sign of intelligence. This is 372 00:19:25.480 --> 00:19:31.000 a major sign of consciousness and intelligence. So the se 373 00:19:31.039 --> 00:19:33.640 and he was like the whole documentary, he's freaked out 374 00:19:33.640 --> 00:19:36.279 about this because he's like, this is gonna change the 375 00:19:36.319 --> 00:19:40.200 paradigm because this hominid was correct me if I'm wrong 376 00:19:40.319 --> 00:19:43.119 out there in the comments section, I want to say 377 00:19:43.119 --> 00:19:46.480 it's two hundred and fifty thousand years old or no, 378 00:19:47.200 --> 00:19:50.720 way older. It's supposed to be like way older than man. 379 00:19:50.759 --> 00:19:53.119 So it goes way, No, four hundred thousand years old. 380 00:19:53.200 --> 00:19:57.359 So it's four hundred thousand years and you know they 381 00:19:57.440 --> 00:19:59.680 had fire and all that stuff too, but they also 382 00:20:00.799 --> 00:20:04.440 but they were really focusing on in on the symbols 383 00:20:04.440 --> 00:20:07.240 they put up, the reverence they had for their dead, 384 00:20:08.359 --> 00:20:11.759 and he put out there, did they have a religion? 385 00:20:12.400 --> 00:20:14.920 It looks like it, and they like, He's I don't 386 00:20:14.920 --> 00:20:16.319 know if I want to push that right now because 387 00:20:16.319 --> 00:20:17.160 I'm gonna get killed. 388 00:20:17.200 --> 00:20:19.680 But so, but that show. 389 00:20:20.039 --> 00:20:22.200 Them in a certain position, then you know, I don't know. 390 00:20:22.319 --> 00:20:26.680 Yeah, yeah, going through ritualistic burying for basically a monkey 391 00:20:27.200 --> 00:20:30.799 is insane. That's insane. So it wasn't just a monkey. 392 00:20:31.039 --> 00:20:35.079 So maybe we weren't, you know, uh, modern humans, neanderthal. 393 00:20:35.279 --> 00:20:37.920 You know, we all had our different forms of consciousness 394 00:20:37.920 --> 00:20:40.640 and maybe, you know, maybe the question should be asked, 395 00:20:40.640 --> 00:20:41.920 why are we the last humans? 396 00:20:42.039 --> 00:20:42.880 And is that good? 397 00:20:43.200 --> 00:20:44.799 Like because there used to be a lot of us 398 00:20:45.079 --> 00:20:49.920 hominids running around and there isn't. So maybe maybe one 399 00:20:49.920 --> 00:20:52.720 of those offshoots had a civilization that we didn't know about. 400 00:20:52.799 --> 00:20:56.599 Well, and like this is where I'm I actually started 401 00:20:56.599 --> 00:21:00.799