Speaker 1: All right, hi guys, I'm here with Gary from nerd
Speaker 1: Rotic And also he has a and related to like
Speaker 1: ancient history. He has a live that he does on
Speaker 1: Sundays right called bit in Frontier and that specifically goes
Speaker 1: into a lot of the you know, like the alternative
Speaker 1: ancient history stuff. I guess you would say, if you
Speaker 1: can word it that way, so welcome aboard, hello.
Speaker 2: Thank you.
Speaker 3: It really needs a term because like there's still even
Speaker 3: though they say uIP, there's uphology, Like ancient civilizations need
Speaker 3: something sharp that just rolls off the tongue and we
Speaker 3: don't have it yet.
Speaker 2: I say, you don't have it yet.
Speaker 1: Alternative I mean, like you can't just say ancient history
Speaker 1: because then that's like because it's it's a little bit
Speaker 1: different than the main stream. But this, you know, so
Speaker 1: it yeah, it is, it is. Uh, it is, it's pretty,
Speaker 1: it's it indeeds its own space. Okay, So then like
Speaker 1: how did you get into this because this is something
Speaker 1: So I met Gary in Peru back in was that November? Yeah,
Speaker 1: October and November, and like I uh yeah, like you're
Speaker 1: you're deep in the woods, You're deep in the weeds
Speaker 1: with this stuff. So how did you give me give
Speaker 1: us start us off with your journey into the alternative
Speaker 1: ancient world.
Speaker 3: Okay, it starts out really early. I'll try to keep
Speaker 3: this brief as possible.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 3: When I was a kid, I watched In Search Of
Speaker 3: So that was my gateway. Leonard Nimoy hosted it. So
Speaker 3: Spock was hosting the show. Of course I'm going to
Speaker 3: watch it. I was like six, and every story creeped
Speaker 3: me out, but I loved it. And if you you
Speaker 3: might be young, so if you don't remember In Search
Speaker 3: Of it was like a little half hour show where
Speaker 3: they would go into ancient mysteries, uphology, missing people, Amelia Earhart,
Speaker 3: the there's a famous clip out there that they're going
Speaker 3: to see We're going to be in a nice age
Speaker 3: by now.
Speaker 2: You know that goes around. I think even Randall shared
Speaker 2: that clip.
Speaker 3: But it was a great show, and it would talk
Speaker 3: about the Bermuda Triangle.
Speaker 2: So I was into that show. So my mom got
Speaker 2: me a book.
Speaker 3: Uh, Charls Charles Burlitz is the Bermuda Triangle, and I
Speaker 3: think I read that when I was like eight or nine.
Speaker 3: You know, it's one of like, honestly one of the
Speaker 3: first full books I ever read and aside from Hitchhiker,
Speaker 3: and it blew my mind. So I wanted to read
Speaker 3: more Charles Burlitz and I found Eric von Danakin, I
Speaker 3: found Zachariah Sitchen. So I was doing this as a kid,
Speaker 3: and I was just I was into it because I
Speaker 3: liked the whole mystery of it, and uh, I just
Speaker 3: didn't want to believe that there's this linear world even
Speaker 3: when I was younger. Now I'm not saying I believed
Speaker 3: everything in it, but it was, if anything, it was
Speaker 3: a cool story. So yeah, I've been into U apology
Speaker 3: from a very early age, just a fan, and I guess.
Speaker 2: That's the best way to put I'm an enthusiast.
Speaker 3: And then I started, you know, and that stayed with me,
Speaker 3: and I read those books and I kind of kept
Speaker 3: it secret, you know.
Speaker 2: It was kind of like being a nerd back in
Speaker 2: the day.
Speaker 3: It's not something you told like your girlfriend if you
Speaker 3: wanted a Girlfriend's not like you don't hit them up
Speaker 3: in the first day, like I'm really in the UFOs
Speaker 3: in Atlantis, you know. But luckily my wife of twenty
Speaker 3: one years, so I've known for forty years, is completely
Speaker 3: into this stuff. Who you met, but then you know,
Speaker 3: it was just a hobby and I read. I've read
Speaker 3: more books on this subject than anything else, even like fantasy,
Speaker 3: I mean outside of comic books, but like books without pictures.
Speaker 3: The most books I've read are in this field. And
Speaker 3: I listened to Art Bell every night without question, like
Speaker 3: every night, I didn't miss Art Bell, and I just
Speaker 3: became obsessed with the mystery and I leaned way more
Speaker 3: into ancient civilizations because I was more of a UFO guy,
Speaker 3: really liked the X Files and all that, you know.
Speaker 3: But when Graham Hancock's book came out, and because I
Speaker 3: heard him on Art Bell, bought his book immediately, And
Speaker 3: that's what really like because I felt like UFO, I
Speaker 3: love it. We don't have any really solid evidence yet.
Speaker 3: What Graham was getting into is there is evidence of
Speaker 3: ancient civilizations spread throughout this planet.
Speaker 2: I'm putting it very simply.
Speaker 3: There's a lot of similarities and it seemed to make
Speaker 3: a lot of sense to me. And this is prior
Speaker 3: to us knowing about the Younger Dryist or anything. We
Speaker 3: just didn't know what caused it. And that's what I
Speaker 3: kind of locked in on because there was something tangible
Speaker 3: here and I'm like, no, this this could have actually happened,
Speaker 3: like Atlantis could have been a story from something it
Speaker 3: it it makes sense. So when I started looking more
Speaker 3: into it, I read way more books than I probably
Speaker 3: should have. I dived into Michael Kremo's home, Uh forbid
Speaker 3: and archaeology.
Speaker 2: That thing is huge. Uh. There's an audiobook out there
Speaker 2: that's the abridge version. This thing is.
Speaker 1: That's what I start.
Speaker 2: Like.
Speaker 1: You were the one who told me you got to
Speaker 1: read you gotta read Michael Krimo's thing. And I was
Speaker 1: like okay, and I and I started with the audio
Speaker 1: and it is it's even that is dance though it's
Speaker 1: it's a lot, but it's good.
Speaker 2: It's all information and it's dance.
Speaker 3: And uh, you know, I like David Hatcherck Childress and
Speaker 3: and then we've seen we've seen.
Speaker 2: It blow up, you know, like even your sphere that
Speaker 2: you're in right now.
Speaker 3: Uh, and could thank ancient aliens, Like ancient aliens has
Speaker 3: done so much for this sphere.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 3: I know a lot of people I could go get
Speaker 3: away from the alien stuff. And I agree, I think
Speaker 3: it's man but uh, and I believe in aliens. But
Speaker 3: it has shown more of the world than you're like
Speaker 3: than your average nature show. It's on twenty one seasons
Speaker 3: and it goes to Puma Puku all the freaking time.
Speaker 1: And now, like I learned about the Nasca lines from
Speaker 1: Ancient Aliens, like being honest, it's it's one of the
Speaker 1: first episodes, and I remember being like, wait, what, Like,
Speaker 1: how come I've never even heard of this place before.
Speaker 1: That's weird and like you learn about like I've learned
Speaker 1: a band of holes and all that stuff from ancient Aliens.
Speaker 1: That's the first exposure I ever got to some of
Speaker 1: these weird places. So I don't knock ancient aliens. I
Speaker 1: think they they do something.
Speaker 3: I think they've done a lot of good, you know,
Speaker 3: a lot of crazy, like of course they get to
Speaker 3: of course, ancient alien theorists agree, you know, it's crazy, but.
Speaker 2: It's done more for this field than anybody.
Speaker 3: Graham Hancock was on early episodes, and now Graham Hancock
Speaker 3: has specials when you know it all blew up when
Speaker 3: Randall and Graham were together on Joe Rogan. I have
Speaker 3: listened to there three episodes fifty times each, like I
Speaker 3: go back to it like once every couple months now,
Speaker 3: like I still listen to those episodes because they're so
Speaker 3: damn good and that like really brought it to the
Speaker 3: masses that led to the Special And I think the
Speaker 3: reason I focus on this one again is because it's
Speaker 3: so tangible. I like all the stuff, like I've never
Speaker 3: seen a UFO, and I think the one thing I
Speaker 3: know it sucks. I've tried it. Okay, No, I've tried
Speaker 3: so freaking hard. I've I've laid out at Joshua Tree.
Speaker 3: I've gone like hiked out in the desert where there's
Speaker 3: no light, like there's no light pollution anywhere, and spent
Speaker 3: two nights.
Speaker 2: And Okay, yeah, I've done. I've tried.
Speaker 3: But the one thing I've had an experience with would
Speaker 3: be the one thing I wouldn't believe at all unless
Speaker 3: I had an experience was ghosts.
Speaker 2: You know. That's that's the thing I've had a real experience.
Speaker 1: Okay, tell us this. I love. I love paranormals, I
Speaker 1: love the wu eat just as much as I love
Speaker 1: ancient history. But so tell me about the ghost thing.
Speaker 2: I got to hear this, Okay.
Speaker 3: So I grew up in southern California and a little
Speaker 3: beach town outside north of San Diego called Encinitas where
Speaker 3: we have the La Paloma Theater and we did Rocky
Speaker 3: Horror every Friday and Saturday night as teenagers. And for
Speaker 3: a while I lived there and worked in the theater,
Speaker 3: cleaning it up afterwards and stuff. So it's an old
Speaker 3: nineteen twenties theater where they used to have the piano
Speaker 3: player and stuff. So it has a stage, there's a screen,
Speaker 3: and then there's a stage like where you can like
Speaker 3: and bands play, though Mega Death is pre so under
Speaker 3: the stage is the dressing room, so you can.
Speaker 2: Go out a door and go under the stage.
Speaker 3: And that's where we were hanging out one night after
Speaker 3: Rocky Horror. And we've always heard the places haunted, right,
Speaker 3: and I didn't have an experience for the first year there.
Speaker 2: But this is the best one. This isn't the only one.
Speaker 2: This is the best one.
Speaker 3: So I had locked up, I know everybody was gone,
Speaker 3: and it was me and two friends just hanging out down.
Speaker 2: There, just shooting the you know what.
Speaker 3: And uh, we hear some footsteps over the over the stage,
Speaker 3: like right above us, and I'm like, somebody's here.
Speaker 2: Somebody must have hit out and they're gonna scare us
Speaker 2: or something like that. So we went up.
Speaker 3: We searched the entire theater and I knew every crack
Speaker 3: and crevice of it, and it's got like little access time.
Speaker 3: It's crazy, nobody was there. Go back down, hear the
Speaker 3: damn steps again, go back up, check everything, and I'm like, okay,
Speaker 3: this is getting weird.
Speaker 2: On the third time, we were sufficiently freaked.
Speaker 3: Out that we went to go leave, and as we're leaving,
Speaker 3: there's a taco shop across the street.
Speaker 2: We're like, We're gonna go get some burritos.
Speaker 3: I'm out of here, dude, like, And I had to
Speaker 3: go back there and sleep, which sucked. The front doors
Speaker 3: shook right in front of us, so I'm thinking there's
Speaker 3: somebody outside there, so we unlocked the front doors. Look out,
Speaker 3: nobody there. So we just went f this place and
Speaker 3: got the hell out, you know, you know, got okay.
Speaker 3: Was I a little stoned at the time, Yeah, but stone,
Speaker 3: Like being stone doesn't make you hallucinate, okay. Uh But
Speaker 3: and that was like one of the one time I
Speaker 3: was there with my girlfriend and the projection brute booth,
Speaker 3: she got her necklace just yanked. We were always hearing noises,
Speaker 3: we were always hearing little whispers and stuff.
Speaker 2: It's it's because it gets really quiet in there.
Speaker 3: And I slept in there, which I wasn't supposed to,
Speaker 3: but uh, you know, I was kind of a runaway
Speaker 3: teenager at the time, and it was the creepiest place,
Speaker 3: and two people had died in there, so I would say, like.
Speaker 1: If it's like, okay, so maybe some people died in there,
Speaker 1: oh okay.
Speaker 3: Yep, that's my experience. And and if I didn't have that,
Speaker 3: I think ghosts were complete bys. But and what they
Speaker 3: are I have no idea interdimensional uh leftover kinetic energy.
Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't know, because you know, like I recently heard
Speaker 1: the story about this guy who basic went back to
Speaker 1: like his childhood home and he kept on seeing a
Speaker 1: ghost of his aunt and uncle fighting in this room.
Speaker 1: And he was like, the thing is, my aunt is
Speaker 1: still alive. My uncle's dead, but my aunt is still alive.
Speaker 1: So he's like, it's not like her dead soul incarnated.
Speaker 1: Like so people have also talked about it could be
Speaker 1: like an impressionable moment in time, like a feedback loop
Speaker 1: of like a It's almost like something gets super etched
Speaker 1: deep into the record of time and then it keeps
Speaker 1: like overlapping. So yeah, so ghosts are very mysterious. I
Speaker 1: love that stuff. But okay, so like which place is
Speaker 1: the most mysterious for you? Like which? Like would you
Speaker 1: like Egypt the most? Do you like? What's your thing?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 3: I would have to say it right now, it's Turkey,
Speaker 3: and like it would like Egypt's the go to. Egypt's
Speaker 3: like the obvious one. You know, when you say, well,
Speaker 3: what's the greatest movie you ever made? You go, well,
Speaker 3: the Lord of the Rings trilogy, But then you consider
Speaker 3: everything else.
Speaker 2: That's kind of what Egypt is.
Speaker 3: But Turkey with go Beckley Tepe and Darren Kuyu and
Speaker 3: like just and all the new stuff they're digging up
Speaker 3: seems like the craziest to me. Now, we went to
Speaker 3: the place I always wanted to go from being a kid,
Speaker 3: and and you know what I was first familiar with
Speaker 3: was Machu Pichu, but it was all the other stuff,
Speaker 3: Like Machu Picha was cool, don't get me wrong, really cool, but.
Speaker 2: Everything else we saw.
Speaker 3: But Turkey right now seems like it's got the most
Speaker 3: going on, and it's still early stages, and unfortunately it's
Speaker 3: getting touristy now and I would have loved to have
Speaker 3: caught it a little earlier. But like those those little
Speaker 3: moments we had in Peru where we didn't where we
Speaker 3: could go just explore, And I remember you talking about
Speaker 3: this like we weren't helped. You know, there's no fences
Speaker 3: blocking us from anything, and we could just go climb
Speaker 3: over stuff. That's what I feel like you still until
Speaker 3: very recently could have done in Turkey, and probably still
Speaker 3: can in a lot of places.
Speaker 1: But uh yeah, like well, well, I mean I just
Speaker 1: got back from Turkey with Jimmy and Mike and like
Speaker 1: we were able to go to like go Beckley Teppe is.
Speaker 1: It's horrible in terms of you you're on a platform,
Speaker 1: you can't see anything, you can't get up close to anything.
Speaker 1: It's like that one's done, you know in terms of
Speaker 1: like having your awe moment. But Krahan Teppe is still
Speaker 1: they haven't put the thing on it yet, you can
Speaker 1: still no one was there. We just walked around and
Speaker 1: then that other one cyberc like, yeah, there's a lot
Speaker 1: of them. What's really sad about Turkey is like they've
Speaker 1: excavated them and then abandoned them. And then they're just
Speaker 1: kind of I mean, well, I mean there's a whole
Speaker 1: lot of crazy stuff going. I just feel like really
Speaker 1: bad stewardship of the land, Like it's just crazy how how.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they it's a mystery aspect of it though.
Speaker 3: It's where it's lighting up, where it's near the Euphrates
Speaker 3: and the Tigers River, Noah's Arc and was Noah's Arc
Speaker 3: Darren cooyu was it? Like was it an actual arc?
Speaker 3: And it and it really points and just how old
Speaker 3: it is in insane.
Speaker 1: So this is like this is nicky wo and like, yes,
Speaker 1: let's go. I would not say this, but like Darren
Speaker 1: coou totally gave me the creeps. Like so I was
Speaker 1: down in it and it was like you're talking twenty
Speaker 1: stories down. It's not It's like I was thinking, it's
Speaker 1: like by a mountain and then you go into a
Speaker 1: cave and then no, it's like a feel like when
Speaker 1: you're on the outside of Darrenko you're looking around, it's
Speaker 1: there's nothing that you would think there would be any
Speaker 1: kind of underground. It's just flat plane and there's mountains
Speaker 1: off in the distance but nowhere near it. And then
Speaker 1: you walk down these little steps, and then you're you're
Speaker 1: in a city that goes like twenty stories down even
Speaker 1: to an underground river. Like how they even knew to
Speaker 1: find that underground river is beyond me.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: What was weird is like there's not one like enclave
Speaker 1: for a sculpture or like a shelf that any by.
Speaker 1: No body carved anything cool, there's nothing. It is like
Speaker 1: the most barren like utilitarian situation I've ever seen. Like
Speaker 1: I don't think it was made by humans. Okay, I'm
Speaker 1: just gonna say I think we're dealing with like high
Speaker 1: Ho high Ho.
Speaker 2: Dwarves, dwarfs or something language.
Speaker 1: But like I don't know, I do think we're talking
Speaker 1: more Lord of the Rings than we okay. And then
Speaker 1: also right by it, when you go to Hatshootsa, which
Speaker 1: is a couple hours away from it, though, there's literally
Speaker 1: things that look like dwarfs with the even the like
Speaker 1: elf hats that fold over like Santa Claus thing barved
Speaker 1: all over the walls. So I'm going like well, and
Speaker 1: they're like, well, that's just like there's dress they used
Speaker 1: to wear back there but in the Anatola region, and
Speaker 1: I'm like, or there dwarfs for their elves or something.
Speaker 1: I don't know, but whatever built Darren Koger thought differently
Speaker 1: than humans because I don't care if we were, I
Speaker 1: don't care what kind of situation it was. But if
Speaker 1: a human is down underneath the ground digging twenty stories
Speaker 1: and they're having to be there for any length of time,
Speaker 1: you have me in there for a week, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: be like, here's my name, or I'm gonna drawling a
Speaker 1: spiral something or car you know, and it's it's can
Speaker 1: be carved into. It's like soft I don't know, earth
Speaker 1: stuff and nothing. It just all looks like these little
Speaker 1: crazy utilitarian.
Speaker 3: Very efficient, very pragmatic, and that's not the way we are.
Speaker 3: That's what really stands out in the caves in China,
Speaker 3: those crazy caves in India cave is that that's why
Speaker 3: those look to be okay, so they can look ancient
Speaker 3: or they some of them look futuristic to me, like
Speaker 3: something something really advanced with no ego that wasn't going
Speaker 3: to sign their Yes, they're on the Indian caves, there's
Speaker 3: there's a signature, but it's clearly done after these things
Speaker 3: were right, and the engineer in those things is insane.
Speaker 3: So that's it looks very utilitarian, almost brutalist, and uh
Speaker 3: and yeah, there's no signatures.
Speaker 2: There's no like Bob was here, you know, or Gimli
Speaker 2: was here, but or.
Speaker 1: Like let's make this room a little bit cooler and
Speaker 1: have like art roof, and like do I mean we
Speaker 1: there was no artistry into it.
Speaker 3: Security engineering, which is cool and and sterile and a
Speaker 3: little creepy and a little creepy.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, So that's why I was like, uh, okay,
Speaker 1: I'm down here going like I don't know what this
Speaker 1: thing was, but it wasn't. But I sort of think
Speaker 1: the same way about like some of the stuff like
Speaker 1: in Peru, even when we're at sax A Woman, which
Speaker 1: is my mecca. That's like the bit the mess, the
Speaker 1: craziest thing ever. But I don't I'm looking at the
Speaker 1: polygonal ways in which they did the stones, and I'm
Speaker 1: going like, we don't humans don't think that way. We
Speaker 1: don't pre struct puzzles like I mean, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I feel like sometimes I don't know if it is
Speaker 1: giants who thought differently or if it's like dragged I
Speaker 1: don't know who is it is, but I feel like
Speaker 1: something was maybe a homited like relative but not exactly
Speaker 1: what we are today thought and anyway, their brain structure
Speaker 1: of how they constructed was different.
Speaker 3: So I think, yeah, I think that's something that probably
Speaker 3: needs I think it will be explored more. We don't
Speaker 3: have an enough evidence, but I talk about this a
Speaker 3: ton on the show. But this Graham Hancock tweeted about it.
Speaker 3: Cave of Bones, that documentary on Netflix about the homited
Speaker 3: species that pretty much looked like chimps, so they had
Speaker 3: smaller brains than we did. They were like tall upright chimps.
Speaker 3: It's called Cave of Bones. And the scientist found ritual
Speaker 3: bury burying, so like they were not just like they
Speaker 3: were burying their dead in fetal positions, and they were
Speaker 3: putting tools in their hands. They were showing reverence, they
Speaker 3: were putting signs. Also, they walked down this insanely dangerous
Speaker 3: cave basically for this tomb. So they had reverence for
Speaker 3: their dead, which is a sign of intelligence. This is
Speaker 3: a major sign of consciousness and intelligence. So the se
Speaker 3: and he was like the whole documentary, he's freaked out
Speaker 3: about this because he's like, this is gonna change the
Speaker 3: paradigm because this hominid was correct me if I'm wrong
Speaker 3: out there in the comments section, I want to say
Speaker 3: it's two hundred and fifty thousand years old or no,
Speaker 3: way older. It's supposed to be like way older than man.
Speaker 3: So it goes way, No, four hundred thousand years old.
Speaker 3: So it's four hundred thousand years and you know they
Speaker 3: had fire and all that stuff too, but they also
Speaker 3: but they were really focusing on in on the symbols
Speaker 3: they put up, the reverence they had for their dead,
Speaker 3: and he put out there, did they have a religion?
Speaker 3: It looks like it, and they like, He's I don't
Speaker 3: know if I want to push that right now because
Speaker 3: I'm gonna get killed.
Speaker 2: But so, but that show.
Speaker 1: Them in a certain position, then you know, I don't know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, going through ritualistic burying for basically a monkey
Speaker 3: is insane. That's insane. So it wasn't just a monkey.
Speaker 3: So maybe we weren't, you know, uh, modern humans, neanderthal.
Speaker 3: You know, we all had our different forms of consciousness
Speaker 3: and maybe, you know, maybe the question should be asked,
Speaker 3: why are we the last humans?
Speaker 2: And is that good?
Speaker 3: Like because there used to be a lot of us
Speaker 3: hominids running around and there isn't. So maybe maybe one
Speaker 3: of those offshoots had a civilization that we didn't know about.
Speaker 1: Well, and like this is where I'm I actually started
Speaker 1: out with UFOs too before because I have UFOs and
Speaker 1: I'm from Albuquerque and I'm I'm New Mexico and you know,
Speaker 1: so it's very that's very UFO area.
Speaker 3: And.
Speaker 1: Like I started going kind of going like, well, we're
Speaker 1: being told these things are from Alpha Centrury or like
Speaker 1: off way off, far far away in a galaxy, but
Speaker 1: they're here now, like we're seeing stuff here on Earth.
Speaker 1: So maybe they're not as far away as we think,
Speaker 1: or maybe they're not from these different planets. Maybe they
Speaker 1: live here and maybe you know, maybe they're hidden somehow
Speaker 1: or living in different parts of the planet that we
Speaker 1: don't know, or inner dimensional or something like that. And
Speaker 1: then so that kind of led me more into the
Speaker 1: ancient history stuff, like well, something built the pyramids, Okay,
Speaker 1: like that is I don't know. I look like some
Speaker 1: of the stones are more than a bedblowing seven thirty
Speaker 1: seven airplane. And you're telling me that some guys use
Speaker 1: some ropes and pulleys and pulled them across. I mean,
Speaker 1: what what are we talking about here like they still
Speaker 1: can't fit. We couldn't rebuild the Pyramids today if we
Speaker 1: wanted to know.
Speaker 3: They defy logic. They still defy logic. They will continue
Speaker 3: to defy logic. You know, we have no idea how
Speaker 3: they were built, you know.
Speaker 2: It, and what they used to look like.
Speaker 3: So my belief is they either were a holdover of
Speaker 3: of plans that have been passed down for centuries, that
Speaker 3: were built in I mean, I still won't say modern times.
Speaker 3: I still think they're older than they when people say
Speaker 3: they are. But I think they're a holdover from what
Speaker 3: we'll call Atlantis. I think a lot of that information
Speaker 3: was still out there after the younger Drys and it
Speaker 3: just kind of faded away with time. You know, It's
Speaker 3: that happens a lot. I don't know about aliens, but
Speaker 3: I listen, I believe aliens are here now, like one
Speaker 3: hundred percent. I think they're in our oceans. I don't
Speaker 3: know if their interplanetary, interdimensional US from the future.
Speaker 2: I'm kind of open to all three of those me too.
Speaker 3: But if I was here just monitoring the human race
Speaker 3: for whatever reason, I just and I could travel, you know, intergalactic,
Speaker 3: you know, distances in record time. The ocean would be
Speaker 3: where I'd be, and we have seen them all the
Speaker 3: time in the ocean.
Speaker 1: Yeah, a large portion of UFOs going in and out
Speaker 1: of the ocean. But I mean also they see them
Speaker 1: going in and out of mountains Antarctica. We like, that's
Speaker 1: a whole continent that we think we're going to go
Speaker 1: to Mars. But yeah, we haven't even really done much
Speaker 1: with the continent on our own planet. You know, our
Speaker 1: ocean floors are seventy five percent of the planet. So yeah,
Speaker 1: like there could totally be living amongst us and we
Speaker 1: don't even know about it.
Speaker 3: No, And I don't think it's like one species. I
Speaker 3: think you always hear as as above, so below. I
Speaker 3: reverse that as below so above. I think the craziness
Speaker 3: of this world is a probably a perfect reflection of
Speaker 3: whatever civilizations are out there.
Speaker 2: I think, uh, I.
Speaker 3: Think, uh, honestly, Hitchhiker might be the most accurate. It
Speaker 3: might be like a bureaucracy and the same stupidity of
Speaker 3: life out there, but with a lot of different species.
Speaker 3: And I think that if we really want to go
Speaker 3: in the weeds, I think there's multiple species who know
Speaker 3: that we're here. And I think they kind of maybe
Speaker 3: they keep each other in check. Maybe there's some really
Speaker 3: nice ones, maybe there's some really bad ones. Yeah, and
Speaker 3: maybe they're afraid of us. Maybe they're afraid like that,
Speaker 3: you know, like, oh these guys are crazy. If they
Speaker 3: get out here, holy shit. Well yeah, so that maybe
Speaker 3: that's just why they're and and I think they have
Speaker 3: been coming here forever. But once we it was it
Speaker 3: was basically a point of first contact. In Star Trek,
Speaker 3: it's when a civilization achieves warp. Maybe in our world
Speaker 3: it's when they blow we blow up an Adam bomb.
Speaker 3: And and I don't think it's any coincidence that we
Speaker 3: blow up the atom bomb, we start seeing a lot
Speaker 3: of UFOs.
Speaker 2: That's when Rosswell happens. And oh they.
Speaker 3: Also developed they also pretty much started the CIA, the NSA,
Speaker 3: and all these three out letter agencies all around the
Speaker 3: same time.
Speaker 2: It's just a big coincidence, just a big coincidence, right exactly.
Speaker 1: So all right, okay, give me your You mentioned Atlantis
Speaker 1: as stuffing younger dryas, so what's what? And I give
Speaker 1: you the reservation to change your mind in the future.
Speaker 1: But as of today, like where are you standing, Like
Speaker 1: do you think we had a comment. Do you think
Speaker 1: we had a poll shift? Do you think we had
Speaker 1: a solar flash? Like, do you even think we had
Speaker 1: a cloudicalism? Walk me through what you think has gone
Speaker 1: on to to with with is Atlantis? What is it
Speaker 1: to you? What does that mean? And yeah, what happened?
Speaker 2: I think Atlantis is Uh. I'm leaning towards Randall.
Speaker 3: I think it was a place and I think it
Speaker 3: was pretty close to where Plato said, and I think
Speaker 3: Randall laid out a very detailed, good case of the
Speaker 3: possibility of it being around the Yeah, I also think
Speaker 3: it was a bigger civilization that stretched out. I think
Speaker 3: there was also civilizations that were maybe as as advance
Speaker 3: as Atlanta. But there's the proto Greeks and uh, they
Speaker 3: they were around and maybe there was one in the east.
Speaker 3: Maybe it was all one empire, maybe it was multiple empires.
Speaker 3: But I don't think it was just Atlantis. But I
Speaker 3: think they were in they were in some sort of
Speaker 3: contact with each other, because man, you know, you look
Speaker 3: at the t pillar you look at the pillars in
Speaker 3: Oh my god, it's in Indonesia. I for keep I
Speaker 3: can't pronounce the name starts with M. No it's still
Speaker 3: it's stilly SWAYSI or.
Speaker 2: Some I'm butsching it.
Speaker 3: Sorry, but you know I've been kicked out of three
Speaker 3: high schools. You look at Easter Island. It's all the
Speaker 3: dudes with their arms right next to them, like and
Speaker 3: people say, like holding their junk or a belt buckle,
Speaker 3: but they're holding their junk, all doing the same thing.
Speaker 2: And it's right around the time where Randall brought this.
Speaker 3: Up, like, you know, after a after a cataclysm, you know,
Speaker 3: we need to be fruitful and multiply and uh, and
Speaker 3: we see that a lot of places, and it's like
Speaker 3: that just doesn't happen by accident.
Speaker 2: They're they're too close together.
Speaker 3: I can understand, like maybe man independently thought of the
Speaker 3: pyramid structure, right of maybe maybe I don't think so,
Speaker 3: but maybe I'm going to be open to that.
Speaker 2: But like now, you know, I didn't learn any of
Speaker 2: this in school.
Speaker 3: I didn't know about mounds and and how the mounds
Speaker 3: look like pyramids and uh, I never learned that in school.
Speaker 2: But now it's all over North America. It's everywhere.
Speaker 1: Kahokia Mound, which I've been to a couple of times,
Speaker 1: I'm going to next week is uh, you know outside
Speaker 1: of Saint Louis, and it's got uh. The Kohokia is
Speaker 1: the city complex, and Monks Mound is got the same base.
Speaker 1: It's like, got the same size of bass as the
Speaker 1: Great Pyramid.
Speaker 3: That's insane. Yeah, that doesn't have by accident. It doesn't
Speaker 3: have by accident. So yes, I believe there was some
Speaker 3: form of an atlantis. And hell, the eye of the Sahara,
Speaker 3: I'm open to that. With that place is crazy. I
Speaker 3: do think it's a natural location. But that they used
Speaker 3: that they absolutely used.
Speaker 1: Because man, I have an arrowhead that David stick Hanson
Speaker 1: brought me from there. So I mean like they had
Speaker 1: some there was some people there at one point. I
Speaker 1: don't know.
Speaker 3: Doing what, but yeah, yeah, and I think, yes, I
Speaker 3: think there was a cataclysm. I am still leaning towards comment,
Speaker 3: but we they and I get them confused. So the
Speaker 3: one there are they focusing on the start of the younger.
Speaker 2: Drives or the end?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I don't know.
Speaker 2: They focus on one more than the other.
Speaker 1: The beginning is the one that had to start the
Speaker 1: ice age and.
Speaker 3: Then and I think that would be the comment it
Speaker 3: now if we want to get into Robert shock.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I see, I'm more of a solar flash person
Speaker 1: just because of all the I don't know, the vitrification,
Speaker 1: like the melting a lot. There's a lot, and I
Speaker 1: think there's yeah, and I'm more into the yeah, maybe
Speaker 1: the maybe the Earth wasn't as tilted as much, maybe
Speaker 1: the poles are different, like something was different because like
Speaker 1: you know, like the all of the wooly mammoths that
Speaker 1: are in Siberia. You know, for example, like there was
Speaker 1: a huge life light life up north that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Siberia, there was a bunch of mammals. It was.
Speaker 3: I mean, that's as far north as where the American
Speaker 3: ice Cap was, the two ice caps over North America.
Speaker 2: It's in the same area, and it was warm there.
Speaker 3: But it was cold enough over North America to have
Speaker 3: like a couple of miles of ice in certain places
Speaker 3: across the whole damn top of the con So like
Speaker 3: that makes no sense at all. And then there's all
Speaker 3: the mass death and like they're still like hundreds of
Speaker 3: years later, they're still pulling tusks and mammoths and bison
Speaker 3: out of the muck, like hundreds, not a hundred, hundreds
Speaker 3: of years later, they're still illegally in Russia and Siberia.
Speaker 3: There's a whole trade to go down to China. There
Speaker 3: was a documentary from twenty twelve on it. There's just
Speaker 3: that the boneyard in Alaska, which is just a couple
Speaker 3: of acres. So they're still digging up mammoth tusks to
Speaker 3: this day regularly, hundreds of years later. And there's a
Speaker 3: picture of a British warehouse when they were digging them
Speaker 3: up that was like, I'm just pick it's a hand
Speaker 3: drawn picture, but it is a full warehouse full of tusks.
Speaker 2: So we've been doing this for.
Speaker 3: A long time and and they're still finding them.
Speaker 1: Think about like the boneyards and all of the Okay,
Speaker 1: so then.
Speaker 3: And the younger drys and like what do we think
Speaker 3: happened was the Was it the Comet or was it
Speaker 3: Robert Shock?
Speaker 2: Was it a pole shift?
Speaker 3: And I definitely lean towards Comet, But Robert shock stuff
Speaker 3: is the scariest, like by far, there ain't no running
Speaker 3: from that, right.
Speaker 1: Because that's like the sun explodes and you just deal
Speaker 1: with it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I guess the pole shift would be scary. It's
Speaker 3: just it's there's so many I mean, there's Ben from
Speaker 3: Suspicious Observers who you know, it's been His theory on
Speaker 3: the pole shift is there will be like a freaking
Speaker 3: three thousand foot tidal wave that will wide, but the
Speaker 3: water will just keep coming. It's not like an actual
Speaker 3: wave like in a day after tomorrow that comes up
Speaker 3: with the Himalayas.
Speaker 2: It'll just be water rising. It will be a wave
Speaker 2: and it'll be bad.
Speaker 3: That's pretty terrifying, and like the only place you have
Speaker 3: to be safe is like high up in the mountains, right.
Speaker 1: But the thing for me is like I'm like, well then,
Speaker 1: but you see, I don't know. There's there's all kinds
Speaker 1: of fossils up in the rockies and stuff too, So
Speaker 1: I'm kind of going like, well, you don't. But we
Speaker 1: don't really know where something like that would happen or
Speaker 1: when or how or if it would be gradual or
Speaker 1: if it would I don't know. I mean, yeah, but
Speaker 1: but but Ben is more doomsday, like the worst case scenario.
Speaker 2: Yes, and he is prepared.
Speaker 1: Yes, in fact, this compound in Colorado, So good on him.
Speaker 1: But yeah, like I hope it doesn't come to that,
Speaker 1: but you know, I don't want to live in mad
Speaker 1: Max world.
Speaker 2: I don't either.
Speaker 3: I mean, like, my only initial survival is is and
Speaker 3: this probably motivates Ben more than anything. As kids, your kids,
Speaker 3: so like, you know, I would want to like, Okay,
Speaker 3: I got a big I guess I have to be
Speaker 3: around to protect my kids, right, But yeah, I wouldn't
Speaker 3: want to live in mad Max world.
Speaker 2: That would suck.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it would very very very much suck. So what
Speaker 1: do you think about dating in general? Like the like
Speaker 1: dates of the sites, like.
Speaker 3: Oh, I think I generally think they're all full of shit,
Speaker 3: to put it mildly, especially now that I've been to Peru,
Speaker 3: so I can say I've been to one and you
Speaker 3: can clearly see like when like that that. What's great
Speaker 3: about Cusco, as you know, and as probably ninety nine
Speaker 3: percent of your audience knows, is you can see the
Speaker 3: timeline on the walls. You can walk around the city
Speaker 3: and see the timeline, and you can see really off
Speaker 3: and old. We have no idea to the Mayans, to
Speaker 3: the Spanish to now you know, in a structure, and
Speaker 3: it's it's so bad. We were talking about this last Sunday.
Speaker 3: You remember we were driving around in our guide who
Speaker 3: was wonderful. It was like every time they dig here
Speaker 3: for sewage, you got to call it an archaeologist because
Speaker 3: they find, like it's just the entire town is already
Speaker 3: on top of an entire town that was on top
Speaker 3: of an entire town which could have been it could
Speaker 3: be the oldest continuous city on the planet.
Speaker 2: We don't really know.
Speaker 3: I think it's far older than they say it is,
Speaker 3: so I think I think a good example of bullshit
Speaker 3: dating is you compare go Beckley Tepee to Malta and Gigantea,
Speaker 3: and they all look the same. The shit looks the same,
Speaker 3: and they're saying, well, but it's separated by thousands of years.
Speaker 2: Well, no it's not.
Speaker 3: And I've always thought Malta and I've always thought that
Speaker 3: was older. I think it goes back. They say seven
Speaker 3: or eight thousand years. I think those are easily twelve,
Speaker 3: maybe twenty. I think the Sphinx is insanely old, and
Speaker 3: it's been reworked maybe a couple times.
Speaker 2: What in Robert shocks his leg. He seems he was so.
Speaker 3: He was he was hesitant to say longer than he was, like, yeah,
Speaker 3: twenty four thousand years, But now he's like, nah, it's older.
Speaker 3: It's older than that. And I agree with that. I
Speaker 3: think most of them are are wrong. We have no
Speaker 3: way of knowing, and as you guys know in your
Speaker 3: audience knows, the only way they can tell is if
Speaker 3: that stone was put on some biological matter or plant
Speaker 3: and maybe it was moved. We like, there's so much circumstance,
Speaker 3: it just becomes circumstantial evidence.
Speaker 2: That's all it is.
Speaker 1: It's like the Hearths, which is like a somewhat set
Speaker 1: a fire somewhere, but you don't know when they set
Speaker 1: that fire, if it. I mean yeah, like that. It's
Speaker 1: like the way and the confidence people have about dates
Speaker 1: are is really bizarre to me. That's the part that
Speaker 1: I'm always just like why they put so much folk.
Speaker 1: I mean, like, for example, Peru is a great one
Speaker 1: because the like there there's they're kind of like saying, oh,
Speaker 1: there was like just some like tribal things here before
Speaker 1: eleven hundred, Like every everything's like a thousand years old
Speaker 1: and that's it, and you're kind of the Inca Zelt
Speaker 1: did all this. They're the ones who did the advanced structure,
Speaker 1: but they were only they only had like seventy five
Speaker 1: years of an empire that wasn't even that big of
Speaker 1: a like a time space that they took over. So
Speaker 1: you're you're kind of going like, what, like this doesn't
Speaker 1: make sense at all, and they and they even claimed
Speaker 1: that it was there before they got there, but we.
Speaker 2: Yes, oh uh.
Speaker 3: That gets brought up a lot that that academia ignores that.
Speaker 3: And I remember on our tour we went to a
Speaker 3: place where the army would gather to go conquering, and
Speaker 3: I'm like, oh, they were a conquering civilization, like they
Speaker 3: took over other people's lands.
Speaker 2: I didn't know that.
Speaker 3: I thought they were super peaceful, so they weren't. So
Speaker 3: they were conquering. But while they were doing that, like
Speaker 3: the terraces are the terrafts, not the terrorists. The terraces, yeah,
Speaker 3: are insane.
Speaker 1: And they're all over and they're everywhere.
Speaker 3: Makes like I, of course I'm impressed by the megalithic structure,
Speaker 3: but like when you're driving, when you're when we were
Speaker 3: driving around, they were just everywhere, and like it'd be weird.
Speaker 3: There'd be a sheer freaking cliff face and there'd be
Speaker 3: some rock, so there'd be a terrace and then it
Speaker 3: would stop for a little while. Then it would go
Speaker 3: around the rock and then on top of it, and
Speaker 3: like who's getting up there?
Speaker 2: Who's taking this job?
Speaker 1: Yeah? That's the thing is like when you look off
Speaker 1: in the distance we're talking, I mean, you're already like
Speaker 1: at base camp, you're already like at twelve thousand feet.
Speaker 1: Some of these things go up to seventeen eighteen thousand
Speaker 1: feet and you're kind of going like why would you
Speaker 1: put your sheep up there? Like why are you even
Speaker 1: building up there? And then y'all I'll be looking around
Speaker 1: going like do they still farm up here? What's going
Speaker 1: on here? I don't. It's Peru is a crazy mystery
Speaker 1: to me.
Speaker 2: It really, Yeah. I can't wait to go back. I
Speaker 2: miss it already.
Speaker 1: I think I'll have to go back many many times
Speaker 1: in my life. The food, too, is amazing. What do
Speaker 1: you think about have you looked much into like nubs?
Speaker 1: What do you think about the that phenomenon?
Speaker 3: I think, oh, man, I have no I go back
Speaker 3: and forth on that one, and it's and that's another
Speaker 3: one of those similarities that we see everywhere.
Speaker 2: And also I look at those in the little keyhole cuts.
Speaker 3: I was so happy to find one in Peru that
Speaker 3: was like I was like, oh my god, I'm actually
Speaker 3: looking at one, you know, and it's just a little
Speaker 3: cut in a rock, but it was like my moment,
Speaker 3: I'm like, I've been waiting to see one of these forever.
Speaker 3: So the theory was that they poured metal, so they
Speaker 3: had metallurgy into those to keep them together. I don't
Speaker 3: know how that's possible, but that's that's what they and
Speaker 3: they found metal in them, so they have the nubs.
Speaker 2: Could be geo polymer.
Speaker 3: I mean, like I can be sold on that, maybe
Speaker 3: not by certain people, but I can be sold on
Speaker 3: that somewhat. But I have no effing idea because it
Speaker 3: doesn't make any sense for leverage, and there's.
Speaker 1: No says they're for lifting.
Speaker 2: They're lifting, but they're in such weird places for lifting.
Speaker 3: I mean, like if they were if it was kind
Speaker 3: of uniform and they were to the top or all
Speaker 3: to the bottom, but we get a nub like random
Speaker 3: nubs anywhere on the rock. So it doesn't seem to
Speaker 3: make a lot of sense. Maybe if we can't go
Speaker 3: back to the geopolymer, or maybe they were just found
Speaker 3: a way to liquefy the stone some way, some advanced
Speaker 3: way that was where you crack the mold you know,
Speaker 3: like maybe.
Speaker 1: Even then It's like what I always argue with people
Speaker 1: on that is like if you're advanced enough to do that,
Speaker 1: then you're advanced enough to remove it.
Speaker 2: Remove it? Yeah, why not?
Speaker 1: Like what are you doing? It's like it obviously they
Speaker 1: had some kind of function because they're they're not like, oh,
Speaker 1: that's that makes it look so much prettier. Let's just
Speaker 1: keep that. Like if you if it really was like
Speaker 1: a mold injection point or something, or even if it
Speaker 1: was for lifting, stand it off, like get rid of that.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: And in some places, like in Egypt, like they have
Speaker 3: gotten rid of it, like like they have. So it's
Speaker 3: not uniform, but it is. It's uniform that we see
Speaker 3: them everywhere, absolutely everywhere, on every continent, probably in Antarctica
Speaker 3: two if we ever get down that ice. But uh,
Speaker 3: and we have no explanation for it, but clearly everybody
Speaker 3: was doing kind of the same thing. So of course
Speaker 3: they just woke up one morning independently and thought of it.
Speaker 2: On them on their own. Bullshit, absolute bullshit.
Speaker 1: That is the biggest point about like like I call
Speaker 1: them my the the global hallmarks or whatever is is that.
Speaker 1: I mean, at some point it's like we can argue
Speaker 1: all day what they were for or how they did them.
Speaker 1: We don't really know. But the thing that's weird is
Speaker 1: like how universal they are. Like they're like you find
Speaker 1: nubs all over India, you find them all We found
Speaker 1: them in Turkey, you find them in Peru, you find
Speaker 1: them in Egypt, you find them in Japan, like you
Speaker 1: find them in Easter Island. On some of the wall,
Speaker 1: I mean, like, like, what are we talking about? They're crazy.
Speaker 1: That's they're very very bizarre. I mean there's some that
Speaker 1: Mike's even found in Montana that are and on there
Speaker 1: on ship Rock there there were some places that I
Speaker 1: kind of was like that might be a nub. I'm
Speaker 1: not sure. Ship rock is weird. You're gonna have to
Speaker 1: see that someday.
Speaker 3: Okay, I want to see it so much. You pointed
Speaker 3: out the reverse nubs too.
Speaker 1: Yep, they're which are like I sometimes I call the
Speaker 1: anti nub. There's but then there's you know, you have
Speaker 1: your polygonal, you have your pinch holes. Pinch Holes are everywhere.
Speaker 1: We found some pinch holes. We found a really big
Speaker 1: pinch hole on one of the places, uh in say
Speaker 1: Barrick or Sabic or whatever it was near go Beckley,
Speaker 1: Teppe and Turkey, you know, like they it looks like
Speaker 1: someone just like like put a little islet inside the
Speaker 1: rock so that they could like thread some rope through
Speaker 1: or something. But that feature is bizarre, and it's all
Speaker 1: it's in Mexico, like in Poleanke. It's in all these
Speaker 1: really weird places, you know, and like you said, like
Speaker 1: the clant marks are really and what's interesting about the
Speaker 1: clant marks is there you could you could tell that.
Speaker 1: I mean, well, here's the thing. Today. We have two
Speaker 1: by fours, we have concrete, we have screws and knails
Speaker 1: and this kind of stuff. And it doesn't matter if
Speaker 1: you're building an Abu Dhabi or you're building in whatever,
Speaker 1: Peru or Texas. Like we we have different looks of stuff,
Speaker 1: but that's our architectural language. Well, there existed in architectural
Speaker 1: language that no more exists now, and that's what we're
Speaker 1: looking at. We're looking at like they use these stones
Speaker 1: in these ways that even if they had a different,
Speaker 1: like a little bit different style in Egypt than they
Speaker 1: did in Turkey or what are India or Peru, they
Speaker 1: still are using some of the same architectural language which
Speaker 1: features and that's like, that's something I'm so surprised that
Speaker 1: archaeologists have never dug into.
Speaker 3: No, that's a standardization which meant had that needed time.
Speaker 3: I mean, it's just common sense stuff. It's a standardization
Speaker 3: that needed time to build up, to engineer, to create
Speaker 3: through communication and having having enough surplus to have workers
Speaker 3: to craft this and then design it, then share the knowledge,
Speaker 3: then share it with another and then it lasts so
Speaker 3: long that these other cultures kind of put their little
Speaker 3: slant on this thing that was built up over time.
Speaker 3: I mean, like you said, it's kind of what we
Speaker 3: do now there's a big cataclysm.
Speaker 2: Who's screwed we are?
Speaker 3: Who isn't hunter gatherer tribes if they're safe enough away
Speaker 3: from tsunamis and stuff in the middle of the jungle.
Speaker 3: And what have we seen through our civilization? Certain civilizations
Speaker 3: get more advanced faster than others. Why is that, Well,
Speaker 3: it's usually harmony. It's usually surplus, good food. You know,
Speaker 3: it granted a lot of slaves and back in the day,
Speaker 3: but now it's it's it's a lot of people who
Speaker 3: have time to work and that all goes away. But
Speaker 3: the and most of us don't know how to build
Speaker 3: a computer from scratch most of the I mean, like
Speaker 3: and I mean from scratch, not just from getting your parts,
Speaker 3: I mean making a chip and all that stuff. Uh,
Speaker 3: most people can't do that, So why in the hell
Speaker 3: wouldn't happen? And and I think that's that's you know,
Speaker 3: we talk about smoking guns, they're they're all over the planet.
Speaker 2: I think they're all over the planet.
Speaker 3: I think, Uh, the uniformity that we see, the similarities
Speaker 3: we see between stones with nubs, the insane, the insanity
Speaker 3: of polygonal stones.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: And and as David had your childrens correctly pointed out,
Speaker 3: they did it because it was easy for them.
Speaker 1: Yep, Yep, it wasn't hard for them.
Speaker 3: It was so prevalently, and similarity after similarity we were
Speaker 3: even with certain designs. There was like this four pointed
Speaker 3: star thing that I remember Michael telling me, oh, this
Speaker 3: is uh, you know, it's in India and all this stuff,
Speaker 3: and I found it, uh, and I'm like, oh, it's
Speaker 3: it's right there. And we found it in Peru. It's
Speaker 3: the same damn design. So it you know, little variation.
Speaker 3: But and the spiral, we see the spiral every that's
Speaker 3: absolutely everywhere. And I just think that, I think it's
Speaker 3: crazy to think that to completely discount it, that there
Speaker 3: was some kind of mother civilization out there, I think
Speaker 3: it's absolutely insane.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I love that. I love to call it mother civilization.
Speaker 1: So how advanced do you think technology has gotten.
Speaker 2: I think it's okay.
Speaker 3: I think it was more advanced than we were in
Speaker 3: some places, but completely alien to our perspective now. Like
Speaker 3: we use leverage, we you know, we use like sheer
Speaker 3: will and force and machinery. I think whatever civilization was
Speaker 3: way more is gonna sound hippie dippy, way more in
Speaker 3: tune with the planet, and in a sense scientifically, like
Speaker 3: knew how to manipulate the energy that was already there,
Speaker 3: not coerce. A lot of our civilization is coercion of stuff,
Speaker 3: like we have to make something, and we have to
Speaker 3: put ourselves into a plane to fly, and I and
Speaker 3: I'll go out there. I think we could have figured
Speaker 3: out a way through sound, through telepathy, through whatever to
Speaker 3: move rocks and and I have no idea how, but
Speaker 3: way more in tune with nature, way more in tune
Speaker 3: with the planet, using what the planet provided, making them
Speaker 3: more advanced that's.
Speaker 1: That crazy, because like you have that coral castle guy
Speaker 1: that Ed's gurger, you're a little like kind of can't
Speaker 1: say his last name, it's so weird. But who, Like
Speaker 1: they claim that he built this thing by himself and
Speaker 1: that he had you know, like these cones and rods
Speaker 1: that could levitate stones. Like I think there there are
Speaker 1: people who and that's whatever, like fifty years ago or something.
Speaker 1: I think there are definite legends and stuff that they
Speaker 1: talk about, like people being able to move stones with
Speaker 1: their minds or being able to do or have some
Speaker 1: sort of technology that we don't know how they did
Speaker 1: like that. I don't know if you've ever looked into
Speaker 1: Michael Tellinger's stuff, but he did a presentation like a
Speaker 1: long time ago on these like he found these toroortal
Speaker 1: shape like these donut shape stones in South Africa and
Speaker 1: they're like cone ones. And he was also showing that
Speaker 1: like a bumblebee should not be able to fly like
Speaker 1: its body is to be for the wings, right, but
Speaker 1: when you look at in a microscope, you see that
Speaker 1: their wings have all these little like little cone things
Speaker 1: that do some sort of vibrating off of the magnetic fields.
Speaker 1: So there's a whole level of we use electricity now,
Speaker 1: but I think there's a whole other level of maybe
Speaker 1: magnetism or something that we're not even aware of that
Speaker 1: they were aware of. We just haven't rediscovered it exactly.
Speaker 3: The more documentaries I watch, the more I experienced the Uh.
Speaker 3: There's a great documentary uh that where they basically said,
Speaker 3: you know that the H blocks in Puma Punku were
Speaker 3: a yard, were like a perfect yard. And it's like, oh,
Speaker 3: the yard was rediscovered. That makes sense, Like it was
Speaker 3: just rediscovered. A lot of maths were just rediscovered.
Speaker 1: And the H blocks are magnetic and.
Speaker 3: They're magnetic, yes, and like they're strange as hell. They're
Speaker 3: strange and they make no sense. Uh, And that's why
Speaker 3: I love it. And they look futuristic. They look alien.
Speaker 2: There's certain you know, carvings that don't that look like, Okay,
Speaker 2: it's definitely man. But then that like like when it
Speaker 2: gets to the.
Speaker 3: Again the utilitarian looking stuff, it's like that looks alien,
Speaker 3: that looks modern. I mean like it looks futuristic, like
Speaker 3: I would see that in a sci fi novel. So
Speaker 3: that's what really kind of gets my curiosity going, because
Speaker 3: what do you.
Speaker 1: Think about time? Traveled.
Speaker 3: Then Oh, I think it's uh, well, it's definitely possible
Speaker 3: to the to the future, like we know that. I think,
Speaker 3: of course it's possible. I think because I I don't
Speaker 3: think time is linear. I just don't. I know it's
Speaker 3: directly related to gravity. And I'm an idiot, I have,
Speaker 3: you know, But I think I think it's insanely difficult.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 3: And I think the possibility of your traveling in time,
Speaker 3: but you're popping out in another dimension back in that
Speaker 3: time with a slightly variation to keep you separate from
Speaker 3: meeting yourself. I think there might be some yeah, some
Speaker 3: natural order, I think, but it would have to be
Speaker 3: super advanced because you would have to place the placement.
Speaker 3: Like if you want to go to Earth at a
Speaker 3: certain year, you couldn't just go to the time. You
Speaker 3: got to travel in space too, so you have to
Speaker 3: figure out like where was the Earth in space at
Speaker 3: that time? You know, and remember that our solar systems,
Speaker 3: the planets moving, solar sys moving, galaxies moving, so you
Speaker 3: have to That's a lot of factors. But I think
Speaker 3: when if we discover it, I think, if we discover it,
Speaker 3: this used to be like an urban legend out there
Speaker 3: I think we'll be able to view it.
Speaker 2: I don't know if we'll be able to go there.
Speaker 1: I sometimes wonder if like those orbs that people see
Speaker 1: or like ghost or something like that, maybe they are
Speaker 1: actually just time track, like like you see it in
Speaker 1: like you're not able to interact with it, but you
Speaker 1: can view it.
Speaker 2: You can view it. That would be insane. I would
Speaker 2: love that.
Speaker 1: That would be than a movie for sure.
Speaker 2: Yep.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but uh, I think that that would be the
Speaker 3: closest we could get to it. But I absolutely think
Speaker 3: it's possible. Like I, I don't think we're from here.
Speaker 3: I don't think we're from this planet.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 3: I think there's I'm not the first one to bring
Speaker 3: this up, but we have a lot of problems, Like
Speaker 3: we have back problems.
Speaker 1: We don't see problems like.
Speaker 2: Our birth problems.
Speaker 3: We don't have any We used to have fur, and
Speaker 3: I guess we just all lost it in like ten
Speaker 3: years or something, you know, or I mean, it takes
Speaker 3: a long time for things to evolve, and we just
Speaker 3: kind of popped up geologically speaking, like a minute ago.
Speaker 1: And it's kind of weird that, like you know, whatever
Speaker 1: a horse or anything that's born can just like stand
Speaker 1: up and walk within a couple of hours, and then
Speaker 1: we're like lumps of clay for like at least a year.
Speaker 3: Yeah, No, there's so I think we're from somewhere else.
Speaker 3: Our design is from somewhere else, and it works better
Speaker 3: for wherever the hell we're from.
Speaker 2: Was that Mars back when it was a nice planet?
Speaker 2: Was it somewhere else?
Speaker 3: Don't know, But I really don't think our design is
Speaker 3: useful to this planet. We get some burned all the time.
Speaker 3: You know, we don't really adapt well.
Speaker 1: And you know, we have or we don't like like
Speaker 1: we only like it when it's like seven or sixty
Speaker 1: eight to seventy two. Other than that, we're not really
Speaker 1: that happy.
Speaker 2: Yep.
Speaker 3: We're the one animal that has to kill another one
Speaker 3: to put on its furs.
Speaker 2: To keep warm. You know.
Speaker 3: Uh, it's there's just a lot of weird things about
Speaker 3: human beings that just don't seem to sink with this planet.
Speaker 3: So either, like I guess the only other thing is
Speaker 3: we're maybe we were in sync at another time when
Speaker 3: the environment was different, But I still think we're from
Speaker 3: somewhere else.
Speaker 1: Well, And I mean that point, like I like that,
Speaker 1: I like, like one of my favorite things to think
Speaker 1: about is like the thing about how like the physics
Speaker 1: of Earth have changed. Like we take for you know,
Speaker 1: a dinosaur like a pterodactyl couldn't fly today, Nope, uh
Speaker 1: brought what's the brocky sword, like the ones of the
Speaker 1: big long necks or whatever. They wouldn't be able to
Speaker 1: lift their head up on the grapd Like if a
Speaker 1: blue well got out of the ocean right now, it
Speaker 1: would collapse on its own weight because of our gravity, right.
Speaker 1: Like the reason that you don't have ginko leaves that
Speaker 1: are bigger than my body today is because they literally
Speaker 1: couldn't like stand on a tree. I mean, there's there's
Speaker 1: a limit to this. The floor in fauna used to
Speaker 1: be huge, huge megafauna even ten thousand, even before Younger
Speaker 1: Dryas was huge. So I mean there were sloths that
Speaker 1: when they stood up were twenty feet tall.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I saw the skeleton one in the UK and
Speaker 3: I'm like what, but I've never heard of it yet.
Speaker 1: That's not even that long ago. That was not Younger Dryas.
Speaker 1: So you're kind of going like what could change to
Speaker 1: where the biggest animal now, which is like what maybe
Speaker 1: some elephant like an African elephant or something. It is
Speaker 1: maybe fifteen feet. This is five feet bigger than that.
Speaker 1: What are we talking about? This is crazy?
Speaker 3: And why wouldn't humans be bigger? If everybody else is bigger,
Speaker 3: why weren't humans bigger?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: So what do you think about the giants?
Speaker 3: I love giants, It's my favorite story. I wanted to
Speaker 3: be true, But like, why wouldn't they be bigger? And
Speaker 3: and what happened? And I think you're I think there
Speaker 3: was either more or less oxygen in the air.
Speaker 2: There was.
Speaker 3: I think the gravity was different, and I think certainly
Speaker 3: that the Earth could have been tilted a different way.
Speaker 3: There's you want to go really crazy time before the moon,
Speaker 3: which would have been insane on this planet.
Speaker 1: But the moon in Africa or Aboriginals in Australia say
Speaker 1: that they were They always talk about the time before
Speaker 1: the moon came, like that's something that a lot of
Speaker 1: Aboriginal tribes across the world apparently like, uh, we'll say
Speaker 1: like oh yeah, like there the moon came around two
Speaker 1: hundred thousand years ago. Well what does that mean? Is
Speaker 1: that the death star? What is that?
Speaker 2: Yeah? And maybe it is. But back to giants real quick.
Speaker 3: Okay, So I it was my favorite ones, Like I
Speaker 3: want to believe this one, but I just don't. And
Speaker 3: despite like all uh Hugh Newman and Jim Viea's work,
Speaker 3: which I love and I love their show, and I
Speaker 3: wish it would have got multiple seasons their History Channel show,
Speaker 3: there just wasn't enough, you know. And it was really
Speaker 3: hard for me, Like I am a conspiracy theorist, right,
Speaker 3: so the whole like the Smithsonian hiding the bones, I
Speaker 3: could believe it. I just need to be given a
Speaker 3: good reason, and I never heard it. I'm like, all right,
Speaker 3: I can believe a government agency would hide something for information,
Speaker 3: but why why why would they hide giant bones? And
Speaker 3: is it just to like so they don't I mean,
Speaker 3: would that somehow firm the Bible people?
Speaker 2: You know? I don't know. So I found out.
Speaker 3: But later on when the boneyard guy said, oh, they
Speaker 3: stole a bunch of my bones. It's not the Smithsonian,
Speaker 3: but it was. It was another museum kind of like that, okay,
Speaker 3: and then they just dumped them all in the fucking
Speaker 3: river rather than give them back, and then that proved
Speaker 3: to happen. That's when it clicked on me. Okay, I
Speaker 3: think they would hide shit to keep their narrative.
Speaker 1: I think they I think they would. I mean like, uh,
Speaker 1: like I can't even it. Like we went to Cane
Speaker 1: into Shay and we like took a native guide down there.
Speaker 1: I was with like Mike and these other two people
Speaker 1: and we she was telling us like there there was
Speaker 1: something called Egyptian Cave right down there, and I was like,
Speaker 1: why is it called Egyptian cave. She's like, oh, there
Speaker 1: were some giants that were wrapped in these They were
Speaker 1: mummies that were wrapped in parrot feathers that were like
Speaker 1: rainbow feathers, and uh. She was like, oh, I guess
Speaker 1: your Smithsonian came in and took them and destroyed them.
Speaker 1: They just She's like, it's something that when I was
Speaker 1: a little girl we went to go see. We would
Speaker 1: always like revere this my whole life. And then she's like,
Speaker 1: when I was about fourteen, that's they they came in
Speaker 1: and they destroyed them, and so we still call it
Speaker 1: the Egyptian Cave, but it's there's nothing in it anymore
Speaker 1: because you guys didn't want anybody to know about it.
Speaker 1: And I'm like why She's like, I don't know, but
Speaker 1: you know, I just just it's just like the long
Speaker 1: the love Lock caves, you know, which I.
Speaker 3: Love Lock caves and nobody had a problem with it
Speaker 3: one hundred years ago. No, it's Lincoln mentioned it in
Speaker 3: a speech, you know, the giants of old. He said,
Speaker 3: the giants of old, but like but he was he
Speaker 3: was referring to them being here and they had long
Speaker 3: been talked about and they still are amongst you know, uh,
Speaker 3: Native Americans around there.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 3: And my best guess on hiding it is preserving their
Speaker 3: narrative control of information. And I think it freaks them
Speaker 3: out that it might reaffirm and like I'm I'm not
Speaker 3: a religious person.
Speaker 2: I'm not like atheist, but I'm not a super religious person.
Speaker 3: But I think that academia, like just the anything that
Speaker 3: confirms the Bible, they just go they freak out about completely.
Speaker 1: It's so weird to me because it's like it's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: not religious either, and like but the Bible, but like
Speaker 1: it doesn't even have to like the Native American giants
Speaker 1: don't have to confirm the Bible. Like no, they're like
Speaker 1: they're seven foot they have the average of seven foot
Speaker 1: skeletons that have been found in all the mounds is crazy,
Speaker 1: the amount, Like.
Speaker 2: It's believable. If I can't remember that, you got I'm
Speaker 2: so bad with information day.
Speaker 3: But if you go back and look at the height
Speaker 3: of some of the chiefs from the last ones, some
Speaker 3: of the last ones from the they're like six feet tall,
Speaker 3: so they're not short.
Speaker 2: They're not short. They're six six four. Some are six
Speaker 2: eight you know.
Speaker 3: Uh so like when we're talking about giants, we're talking
Speaker 3: about you know, nine ten feet.
Speaker 2: Okay, that's getting pretty tall.
Speaker 3: But like women who were seven feet tall and eight
Speaker 3: feet tall, and that would be considered they were just
Speaker 3: a bigger race that maybe was just held over from
Speaker 3: you know, like managed to survive the younger, driest and
Speaker 3: just died out slowly. Why would you hide that? Well, okay,
Speaker 3: maybe they're trying to hide the kind of cataclysm.
Speaker 1: One of my favorite little conspiracies that I've come to
Speaker 1: with that is like I've thought about it. I'm like,
Speaker 1: I obviously think something. I mean, if you look at COVID, right,
Speaker 1: there's a global control system. Ye, there's something that is
Speaker 1: h like that controls our money and controls the other
Speaker 1: stuff that's beyond what we think of our politics or whatever.
Speaker 1: Like there's some kind of controlling hand in my mind's eye,
Speaker 1: and I'm wondering if maybe and I don't think we
Speaker 1: know them. It's not like it's Bill Gates. It's like,
Speaker 1: I don't think you will ever know that these people's
Speaker 1: faces or know who are And so I think that
Speaker 1: there must be something like maybe the giants are involved,
Speaker 1: maybe they really still live somewhere there. There might be
Speaker 1: some reason that they don't want us onto that because
Speaker 1: I almost feel like it has to do with the
Speaker 1: controllers of who controls.
Speaker 3: Our yeah, or that goes on absolutely, maybe there's some
Speaker 3: kind of link to our origin. Maybe there's some kind
Speaker 3: of link to our history that that needs.
Speaker 2: To be hidden.
Speaker 3: Like they're they're literally evidence of either they're still around
Speaker 3: or that's where.
Speaker 1: We really came from, or that's who we really.
Speaker 3: Are, or we were their slaves or something maybe still
Speaker 3: are and uh, you know, like like who knows, but
Speaker 3: they're they're definitely they definitely don't want us to know
Speaker 3: about it. They definitely want to poo poo it every
Speaker 3: time you hear about it. But there's so many reports
Speaker 3: of bones, and I know a lot of them were
Speaker 3: bullshit back then, but not not everyone. And there's a
Speaker 3: couple of pictures out there, the Patagonian pictures of the
Speaker 3: woman and the and they're big, you know, and uh,
Speaker 3: and they were they were seen, you know, a couple
Speaker 3: hundred years before, three hundred years before those pictures were
Speaker 3: taken to the point where like even giant people are
Speaker 3: drawn on a map down there, and they're saying, yeah,
Speaker 3: there's just some big people down there, and it's not
Speaker 3: and we just hear again.
Speaker 2: It's hearing stories over and over again.
Speaker 1: And it's like Sardinia, the island or whatever, they have
Speaker 1: a lot of giant bones that they've found. And I
Speaker 1: was in some sort of like I don't know, like
Speaker 1: this Reddit thread with some people who claim that they
Speaker 1: have some on their land and they they will not
Speaker 1: show the bones to British people or Americans or like
Speaker 1: anybody who speaks English is not allowed to come and
Speaker 1: see them. And I'm like why and they're like, because
Speaker 1: you guys come back with officials that take them and
Speaker 1: destroy them. So they're like, so we just don't trust
Speaker 1: anybody who speaks English to come because like like some
Speaker 1: at some point anytime that they that we have found
Speaker 1: them in the past, they are taken from us and destroyed.
Speaker 3: And I'm with them on that. I'm like, who blames them?
Speaker 3: It sucks because I was talking on a show. We
Speaker 3: were just talking about the clothest people, which aren't like
Speaker 3: we all know the cloviest people existed. The problem is
Speaker 3: that there might be one bone out there of one
Speaker 3: Clovist teenage girl and we're not sure on that. But
Speaker 3: a friend of mine who works with an archaeologist, said, Oh,
Speaker 3: we definitely know where some bodies are. We can't dig
Speaker 3: them up, we just can, but we know, like it's
Speaker 3: below the layer to where the Clovis are. The ground
Speaker 3: penetrating whatever scan they did showed there's bones down there. Oh,
Speaker 3: we can't dig it up. And it sucks that you
Speaker 3: can't dig it up. And this is just for Clovis.
Speaker 1: People, so it's not even anything controversial that we know of.
Speaker 1: But I went to Columbia a couple of years ago,
Speaker 1: and I did on twenty nineteen, No, it was in
Speaker 1: twenty twenty, and there was this one little village. It
Speaker 1: was where like they had a big legend of where
Speaker 1: like a Golden Fountain, ca. It was a kind of
Speaker 1: like El Dorado kind of legend there and there's seven
Speaker 1: hundred skulls that are like, you know, like butt heads,
Speaker 1: like they have like two bulbs. So they were kind
Speaker 1: of similar to the Peru practice skulls with the except
Speaker 1: for that. So they had a weird skull shape. They
Speaker 1: weren't I wouldn't say they were giant. They were like
Speaker 1: normal sized skulls, but they definitely like it came into
Speaker 1: a crevice here, and there were two boldest parts of
Speaker 1: their skull. So we had they had. They literally took
Speaker 1: our if you wanted to see them, they took your
Speaker 1: phone and put it in a basket and put a
Speaker 1: locker when you come in, because they were like, we
Speaker 1: do not allow any video or any pictures of them
Speaker 1: because uh like and I was like why and she's like,
Speaker 1: because we've had people come in Americans come in from
Speaker 1: Nasa ASA who've come in and destroyed them or taken
Speaker 1: them and stolen them. So she's like, we so like,
Speaker 1: if you want to see them, you have to, Like
Speaker 1: I had to sign a waiver and put my phone
Speaker 1: in a locker to go see them, and it was
Speaker 1: and I was like and I so wanted to. I
Speaker 1: was like, this is when I want those contacts lenses right,
Speaker 1: So but what they're saying though, because yeah, like they
Speaker 1: have already had they have seven hundred right now. But
Speaker 1: she said they've had way, they had way more of
Speaker 1: the skulls that were literally taken and destroyed.
Speaker 3: And you can't make like cradle head boarding doesn't explain
Speaker 3: the butt head skull, you know, like it it doesn't
Speaker 3: in any way shape. And I've seen pictures of him
Speaker 3: and and uh, yeah, the elongated s go. Brian Forster
Speaker 3: has such good work on that. The elongated skull thing is.
Speaker 3: That's weird that one is. That's that. I think that's
Speaker 3: a separate like that was just humans that had a
Speaker 3: long gated skulls. Good luck giving birth to that, by
Speaker 3: the way, have fun. But yeah, and and again when
Speaker 3: he did the DNA, when Brian did the DNA test
Speaker 3: and found that like they came from Turkey, that was insane.
Speaker 2: And he did.
Speaker 3: Man, it took him a long time to do. I
Speaker 3: followed that whole thing, all the drama behind the d
Speaker 3: he could. He had so much. He had a hard
Speaker 3: time just getting it right. And these are there, these
Speaker 3: are there, and it's like, well, okay, it's cradle headboarding.
Speaker 3: Some is and and of course you've heard this before,
Speaker 3: but what were they emulating. They were emulating other people
Speaker 3: who might have been elites, and that was a status,
Speaker 3: an elite status.
Speaker 2: You know, we saw it in Egypt.
Speaker 1: I mean we saw some when you were improved, and
Speaker 1: like they're not all of them, like like if it's cradle,
Speaker 1: you could see how it's almost like there's little weird ridges.
Speaker 3: Some of them are just perfect, perfect, and then the
Speaker 3: suture is not there too, so that uh it that
Speaker 3: you know, explain that and the.
Speaker 1: Dim at the back like where the thing is like
Speaker 1: placed a little bit different. So there's there's some differences
Speaker 1: in those those schools versus ours, and like I mean,
Speaker 1: and they're not I thought, like when I would see
Speaker 1: them on videos and stuff, I used to think they were.
Speaker 1: I don't think they were that giant. A lot of
Speaker 1: the schools are. I mean they I think they they
Speaker 1: would have still been regular human size. Maybe they're not
Speaker 1: like they belonged to eight foot tall humans normally.
Speaker 2: They just had cone heads.
Speaker 3: There were normal humans with cone heads, which means I
Speaker 3: somewhat of a different species. Their brain would have been bigger,
Speaker 3: and they probably would have thought completely different.
Speaker 2: And maybe they were the elite.
Speaker 3: Maybe they were the smartest ones, and maybe they just
Speaker 3: got all killed because they were you know, I don't know,
Speaker 3: or maybe they had some kind of unique disease to them.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it could be a genetic malformity. But it seems
Speaker 1: like these whatever they were, were kind of revered.
Speaker 3: So yep, you still got to watch The Watchers. That's
Speaker 3: La mar Zouli, like I mentioned it to you before,
Speaker 3: but The Watchers volume six, So that's where he and
Speaker 3: Brian Forster go out to this desert to go they
Speaker 3: do a whole like elongated skull thing. But there's this
Speaker 3: place on private land where there's just bones all over
Speaker 3: the desert and it's from the grave robbers who just
Speaker 3: dug up all these graves and you could still find
Speaker 3: like and they want the jewelry, so they don't care
Speaker 3: about like the bracelets like this, and they found you know,
Speaker 3: they find stuff on the on the grind. It's three
Speaker 3: thousand years old and it's just laying out.
Speaker 1: Well, it's insane, you know. The pillars of the past,
Speaker 1: like like he's going to be at our in our
Speaker 1: cosmic summit thing. He has done a lot of work
Speaker 1: on some of the looting that goes on. It's that's
Speaker 1: the other thing is like Graham Hancock's thing was called
Speaker 1: fight for the Past, but a lot of it really
Speaker 1: is because yeah, fighting looters, you're fighting archaeologists who have
Speaker 1: very narrow minded like like this is the only thing
Speaker 1: we could do with this. And then when they are
Speaker 1: done digging aside, they give it over to the government
Speaker 1: who either bastardizes it and changes it into a place
Speaker 1: or abandons it and it gets destroyed. Like we have
Speaker 1: really weird etiquette and society cultural things with ancient stuff.
Speaker 1: It's very bizarre, and I don't know how we fix
Speaker 1: that or what do we do about that.
Speaker 3: Uh that's the nature of man, I think, because we
Speaker 3: want to know. We want to preserve these sites, but
Speaker 3: we want to know, and of course there's a happy medium.
Speaker 2: But uh yeah, I.
Speaker 3: Don't think there's any fixing it, especially with you just
Speaker 3: got to hope that like they're going to tourist it up,
Speaker 3: but they don't like completely fuck it up, I guess,
Speaker 3: And that's hoping against hope.
Speaker 2: Hope.
Speaker 3: It's not a strategy. But but the age of discovery
Speaker 3: is not over. That's what's exciting about it. Like there's
Speaker 3: so many other places like Japan, you know, like megalithargic Japan.
Speaker 3: Like I never thought I'd want to go there for megalists,
Speaker 3: but now I do. Like in China, and China's gonna
Speaker 3: preserve all theirs or destroy them because they don't want
Speaker 3: anybody touching them.
Speaker 2: And there's insane stuff there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like the the what is that thing that Mike's
Speaker 1: been to, not the Young UK's but the big the quarry.
Speaker 3: With the corry with that giant cutout block that is
Speaker 3: the biggest I mean I think it's it's bigger than
Speaker 3: the stone of the pregnant woman.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, like that's yeah. I even asked Mike. I'm like,
Speaker 1: because he's been everywhere, so I'm like, what's the one
Speaker 1: that's the biggest, and he's like, oh, it's definitely. Uh.
Speaker 1: I can't even say shut like whatever, it's the China place.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the China place with the big cutout stone that's
Speaker 3: as big as.
Speaker 1: A dubs that are like huge giant nubs.
Speaker 3: And then the caves of course that they're that they're
Speaker 3: carving in that they're like tagging with you know, Chinese
Speaker 3: stuff like and that none of that was there. So
Speaker 3: if you see that that carving of the dragon and
Speaker 3: the king, like they put all that stuff in there.
Speaker 2: None of that's from the caves and like, and.
Speaker 1: It definitely has like tooling markings all over. Oh yeah yeah,
Speaker 1: so I mean.
Speaker 2: And it's uniform. It's such a trip and it's like
Speaker 2: a machine did it.
Speaker 1: Like you know, there's so many mysteries though, if you
Speaker 1: guys really want to dig into. There's cart ruts. There's
Speaker 1: like I.
Speaker 3: Mean, there's the cart ruts are inexplicable. I have no
Speaker 3: I don't even have a theory. It looks like aliens
Speaker 3: came down to off road right after a volcano, like
Speaker 3: right off the volcanic tough was like starting to cool
Speaker 3: down a little bit, and they came down here in
Speaker 3: their little alien quads and did some off roading. That's
Speaker 3: that's what it freaking looks like.
Speaker 1: And they were like, let's do it all over. There's
Speaker 1: cart ruts in Texas, they're in the Azo Islands, They're
Speaker 1: in Malta all over, they're in Turkey. They're just very bizarre,
Speaker 1: you know. And then I found some in Peru, Like
Speaker 1: you know, it would be awesome to see if they're
Speaker 1: like uniform size, Like if we know those like the
Speaker 1: same sort of vehicle being used or not, you know,
Speaker 1: but I yeah, it's.
Speaker 3: Ben Ben van Kirkwick showed off some in Turkey that
Speaker 3: our uniform it straight up looks like a car drove
Speaker 3: and turned. It was like yeah, and and and they're
Speaker 3: in in Turkey. They're in volcanic tuft that was dated
Speaker 3: to like two and a half million years ago. Oh sorry,
Speaker 3: thirteen million years ago. My bad, thirteen million years ago.
Speaker 3: So somebody was driving around thirteen million years ago.
Speaker 2: They're gonna, man, they're man in thirteen million years they're
Speaker 2: going to trip out on this. This is gonna be funny,
Speaker 2: you know, because it's.
Speaker 1: Weird though, because you know, like I went to the
Speaker 1: dinosaur footprint place like in Fossil Rim in Texas, and
Speaker 1: they're like it's some calcium carbonate like basically like we've
Speaker 1: unearthed them in the last fifty years and then they
Speaker 1: do get like exposed to the weather conditions and they
Speaker 1: start eroding away. Like so what the dinosaur footprints looked
Speaker 1: like fifty years ago to now is like it's like
Speaker 1: I died in a half life already, So I don't
Speaker 1: know like how these cartrets are so well preserved.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's and Ben showed off a picture of For one,
Speaker 3: it's insane because it was preserved naturally and the and
Speaker 3: which means it was covered in dirt and then that
Speaker 3: dirt was removed naturally over millions of years. But there's
Speaker 3: like these tire tracks and then there's like there was
Speaker 3: something hanging off the vehicle that was scraping the side.
Speaker 3: That's uniform too, So you have what looks like a
Speaker 3: tire track and then something scraping the side in perfect
Speaker 3: two lines.
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, that's called the phelum. Something's way are the
Speaker 1: area end?
Speaker 2: I yeah, it.
Speaker 3: Was uh and and like me and Ben and and
Speaker 3: the guys were just like we're trying to theorize and we're.
Speaker 2: Like I, I I don't know, Like I don't like
Speaker 2: this camp be natural.
Speaker 3: It looks like wheels, looks like wheels of some and
Speaker 3: they were just driving around doing stuff in the mud,
Speaker 3: and it's like.
Speaker 1: You know, it's not like the groove is like natural.
Speaker 1: The groove is like very like pumpkin tooth like or
Speaker 1: castle like it's like here boom, doom, doom. You know,
Speaker 1: it goes it's very distant, like this is the the
Speaker 1: ledge that goes down into the groove and then it's
Speaker 1: up like it's it's not like, uh, oh, you know whatever,
Speaker 1: a snake just slithered along there.
Speaker 3: Yeah, a snake or some water or even like bends, Like, no,
Speaker 3: these weren't even carved.
Speaker 2: They serve no purpose. They run over each other, right something.
Speaker 1: It's not like a train track, like they seem to
Speaker 1: like stop in the middle of nowhere, or like sometimes
Speaker 1: I don't want to be like only one of the
Speaker 1: sides made a groove and the other one's not there,
Speaker 1: and it's yeah, cartwrights are crazy to me. They but
Speaker 1: I like that. It's like a you know, uh some
Speaker 1: past aliens having an off roading.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that's that's pretty I think that's it. I
Speaker 3: think I think my first theory is the best.
Speaker 1: So do you have any of your own original theories
Speaker 1: or what do you want to what's your future plan
Speaker 1: for ancient history?
Speaker 3: Gary doing a lot more traveling to experience more stuff,
Speaker 3: a lot more reading. I I follow it as as
Speaker 3: an observer, so I don't think there's anything that's bugged me,
Speaker 3: like in particular that I want to research that could
Speaker 3: change once I start traveling more. I mean my other
Speaker 3: YouTube gig takes ninety five percent of my time, and
Speaker 3: I if I was able to take half of that
Speaker 3: and put it towards the studies of ancient civilization and
Speaker 3: disclosure and all that stuff, it would it would be
Speaker 3: fun and I'd be able to dig into it and
Speaker 3: make videos on it. And that's the plan. That's the plan.
Speaker 3: That's going to be kind of like my retirement job
Speaker 3: when I'm you know, I'm pretty old now.
Speaker 1: So so you have plans to make Forbid in Frontier
Speaker 1: like its own channel, right or what do you guys
Speaker 1: doing something?
Speaker 3: We're going to make its own channel and we have
Speaker 3: aspirations of having that show run five days a.
Speaker 2: Week at night.
Speaker 1: Okay, wow, that's the aspliration you art Bell of art history.
Speaker 2: I would the ghost of art Bell is always with me.
Speaker 2: That would be awesome.
Speaker 3: That would no commercial breaks, no break in every fifteen minutes,
Speaker 3: just doing but doing it like art news in the beginning.
Speaker 3: And then we have a guest and we do it
Speaker 3: at night. Right now, we're in the evening because Adam's
Speaker 3: in Sweden, but well, you know, and this is like
Speaker 3: a couple of years down the line.
Speaker 2: But that's my goal. That is my goal to put.
Speaker 3: Far more time into it and then maybe, like on
Speaker 3: one of my travels, I'll find a thing and I'll
Speaker 3: just obsess which will happen.
Speaker 2: I'll just obsess.
Speaker 1: Honestly, I think my main obsession is kind of nubs,
Speaker 1: and that's from seeing them in person myself and being like,
Speaker 1: damn it, what is like? You know? Yeah? I like
Speaker 1: I think every new place I go to, I get
Speaker 1: like a little bit more piece of the puzzle, and
Speaker 1: nothing is like what from my experience, Canna, Now I've
Speaker 1: traveled to a bunch of these places, nothing is like
Speaker 1: what you've seen online. It like it's always a completely
Speaker 1: different experience when you've gone in person versus like what
Speaker 1: you knew about it online and what you've seen in videos.
Speaker 1: Like did you have that experience with Peru like you
Speaker 1: felt like being in person was solidified some more stuff
Speaker 1: in your head or what?
Speaker 2: Absolutely it was life changing?
Speaker 3: Like it is something I had wanted to see for
Speaker 3: the longest time and honestly never thought I would so
Speaker 3: when I got that, Like the first thing we did
Speaker 3: when we got there is like, oh we could walk
Speaker 3: to Saxey woman, let's freaking go. I want to go
Speaker 3: right now and yeah, it was like I heard music
Speaker 3: and I was like, oh shit, it really doesn't do it.
Speaker 3: You hear it from everybody. Pictures do not.
Speaker 2: Do it justice.
Speaker 3: And then you get to see the whole area, which
Speaker 3: the wall is just a little part of it. Oh yeah,
Speaker 3: and that whole trippy part that's across the way. That's
Speaker 3: a natural structure, but it's weird. It's weird.
Speaker 2: It looks like the earth led Plato.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and they have a weird and also it looks
Speaker 1: like sometimes it looks like structures were turned upside down,
Speaker 1: absolutely aves and stuff in there, and there's uh and
Speaker 1: then yeah, you have the temple, the moon, that whole
Speaker 1: area and the monkey temple. All that that stuff is
Speaker 1: just super bizarre. And I love that that stuff's not
Speaker 1: blocked off.
Speaker 3: Yet I do too. It was really good to run
Speaker 3: around that. That was lots of fun. I think if
Speaker 3: I have a thing that I'd want to do something comprehensible.
Speaker 3: I mean a bunch of people have done it, but
Speaker 3: I mean comprehensive. It would take away too much time.
Speaker 3: Is I would like to document all the similarities between
Speaker 3: cultures and that like have them in categories like similarities
Speaker 3: of design, and I mean designs that they've made, symbols
Speaker 3: that they've made, similarities in architecture, similarities in statues, similarities
Speaker 3: maybe in language like and then and basically photo document
Speaker 3: it like maybe not so much language, but all the
Speaker 3: stuff that's similar around the world. Put it all in
Speaker 3: one place and go okay, like here's you know, because
Speaker 3: we see a lot of it in Graham's books, but
Speaker 3: it's only a little percentage. And to show everybody like
Speaker 3: in one place somehow, in a video, in a book, whatever,
Speaker 3: like how many similarities are I think that would open
Speaker 3: a lot of eyes, like ho, I think so too.
Speaker 1: I mean, like I've been working on a database for
Speaker 1: like four or five years now, so I can share
Speaker 1: it with you what I like. But I have like
Speaker 1: over six hundred sites now that i've that have and
Speaker 1: I've identified for right now, there's about fifty eight fifty
Speaker 1: nine similar similar features and like so I just kind
Speaker 1: of binary code go through whether does it have this feature?
Speaker 1: Yes or no? Yes or no, and then so you
Speaker 1: could kind of see the percentage of these places that
Speaker 1: have it or don't have it. So I just have
Speaker 1: it like in a working Excel sheet right now, but
Speaker 1: eventually once AI is amazing. I would love to teach
Speaker 1: it how to like train it how to find these
Speaker 1: certain features and then we can see like, okay, like
Speaker 1: how prevalent are nubs, how prevalent are like polygonal, Like
Speaker 1: how prevalent is this thing?
Speaker 3: You know?
Speaker 1: So yeah, like I'll I you definitely can help me
Speaker 1: with that project. I will send you the I just
Speaker 1: think that that is for me. That's like you can't
Speaker 1: disprove this, like because it's it's in stone. It's it's
Speaker 1: like here you go, here it is. Here's the evidence.
Speaker 1: It's in stone. Now come talk to me how none
Speaker 1: of it is correlated?
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, so you're you're looking at something that like
Speaker 3: the academia will say that's impossible, but it's staring us
Speaker 3: right in the face. Yeah, you know, literally set in
Speaker 3: stone are made of stone, and and they deny it,
Speaker 3: and you're like, uh, and I love that. I love
Speaker 3: that this is still a world of impossible things and
Speaker 3: and mystery.
Speaker 2: Yeah maybe we can't answer.
Speaker 1: We think like I'm annoyed that they're like not telling
Speaker 1: us the full truth of stuff. I also have to
Speaker 1: say I get off on it too, in terms of
Speaker 1: like I'm glad that we live in a world where
Speaker 1: we still have cool mysteries.
Speaker 2: Yep.
Speaker 3: Now, and that's that's it's the greatest mystery of all
Speaker 3: And uh, it won't be solved in my lifetime and
Speaker 3: I'm fine with that.
Speaker 2: I just I get a little truth that'd be cool.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And it's like if we get if we just
Speaker 1: like And the thing is, the more I look into this,
Speaker 1: I always find new stuff every day all the time.
Speaker 1: Like I still find new sites and new still ill
Speaker 1: stuff all the time that I'm like, whoa, I never
Speaker 1: thought about that, like crazy, So yeah, I uh, okay,
Speaker 1: So we've nerd out. We've nerded out now about ancient history.
Speaker 2: Yes, we did it, We did it, We did it.
Speaker 1: Thank you, Gary, this has been a lot of fun.
Speaker 3: Thanks for having me on. We got to get you
Speaker 3: on my show soon again too, and go on a trip.
Speaker 1: Yes we do. All right, We'll see you later. Bye.