Speaker 1: All right, Hi, this is William Ramsey. Welcome to William
Speaker 1: Ramsey Investigates on today's show. Have a very special guest.
Speaker 1: His name is Michael D. Knox. He just published a
Speaker 1: book January twenty twenty one. The title of the book
Speaker 1: is Ending US Wars by Honoring Americans who worked for Peace.
Speaker 1: I think it's a very important book, very timely book,
Speaker 1: considering recent events in Afghanistan. And we're going to talk
Speaker 1: about the culture that leads to all of these foreign
Speaker 1: wars and the US wars that have been going on.
Speaker 1: I think the United States has only had twenty two
Speaker 1: years of peace since its foundation, so we're going to
Speaker 1: talk about what leads to that. But doctor Knox can
Speaker 1: talk more about that. So Michael Knox, are you there.
Speaker 2: Yes, I am. Thank you William for having me.
Speaker 1: Yes, well, thanks for gewing to the interview. For people
Speaker 1: who may not have heard your background or this project
Speaker 1: that you have for a national monument and the US
Speaker 1: Peace Registery. Can you talk about your background and what
Speaker 1: led you to write the book Ending US Wars?
Speaker 2: Well, I'm by training a clinical psychologist. I worked as
Speaker 2: a professor until I retired in twenty eleven, and in
Speaker 2: two thousand and five, I took my son James to
Speaker 2: Washington and we visited the National Mall and saw a
Speaker 2: lot of the National monuments, which I'd seen many times,
Speaker 2: but I was conducting a tour basically as a tour guide,
Speaker 2: and bade me question things a little deeper. And I
Speaker 2: began to realize that I was saying war monument after
Speaker 2: war monument after war monument, and even individuals who were
Speaker 2: depicted in statuary, often they were carrying a sword or
Speaker 2: a spear, or a bow and arrow, or a pistol
Speaker 2: or some weapon. And we could find nothing on the
Speaker 2: mall or any public property that related to peace and
Speaker 2: to the courageous Americans who have worked for peace. And
Speaker 2: so I started thinking in two thousand and five about
Speaker 2: the need for a US Peace Memorial and created the
Speaker 2: US Peace Memorial Foundation. And basically our nation began in war.
Speaker 2: We have a long history of waging war, from the
Speaker 2: native peoples that we decimated, the American army, US army decimated,
Speaker 2: you know, to recent bombings of poor people living in
Speaker 2: underdeveloped Middle East Africa end of World War two, killing
Speaker 2: millions of people, maiming tens of millions more, disrupting disrupting
Speaker 2: and destroying education, healthcare, housing businesses. Since nineteen forty six,
Speaker 2: no other country has killed and injured more people living
Speaker 2: outside of its borders. And I don't think many Americans
Speaker 2: realize how much of a war culture that we have.
Speaker 2: Since nine to eleven, our military and SAIA have bombed
Speaker 2: and killed and wounded people and made refugees of people
Speaker 2: in Afghanistan and Pakistan, Iraq, Somaya, Libya, Yemen, Syria, and
Speaker 2: basically as we're seeing now with the end or the
Speaker 2: supposed end of the war in Afghanistan creates tremendous numbers
Speaker 2: of refugees. All of these bombings do, and this is
Speaker 2: a crisis that the world is going to be facing
Speaker 2: for many, many years. I personally don't think the war
Speaker 2: in Afghanistan is over. I think that it's just public relations.
Speaker 2: In reality, will continue to bomb, but we'll just fly
Speaker 2: a little bit farther. We'll fly the airplanes and the
Speaker 2: drones a little farther, just like we do did last
Speaker 2: week when we bombed Yemen and Somalia. We don't have
Speaker 2: bases there, we don't need bases there. We will continue
Speaker 2: to kill there. So with this long history and culture
Speaker 2: of war. I started thinking about what reinforces that, basically
Speaker 2: from my background as a psychologist, and I think citizens
Speaker 2: and politicians feel compelled to honor soldiers and they feel
Speaker 2: much less likely to criticize war if they hold soldiers
Speaker 2: up as heroes. That's one reason we have all of
Speaker 2: these monuments to soldiers, even Confederate soldiers, all around the country.
Speaker 2: And it's part of the culture of war and sustaining
Speaker 2: it and reinforcing it. So I think we need to
Speaker 2: ask ourselves, why aren't we recognizing teachers and healthcare providers
Speaker 2: and parents and parents and volunteers and farmers and salespeople
Speaker 2: and government employees, everyone who's part of the fabric of
Speaker 2: our community. But instead of doing that, you know, we
Speaker 2: often you know, in any event you attend, any place
Speaker 2: you go. I recently went to SeaWorld and Bush Gardens.
Speaker 2: They have military displays there. Even before the killer Whale demonstrations,
Speaker 2: they had a big tribute to the military. And our
Speaker 2: schools have military recruiters in them. You sports events often
Speaker 2: they will have halftime shows dedicated to the military. And
Speaker 2: this is all part of reinforcing the culture of war,
Speaker 2: making sure that people never criticize war, because to criticize
Speaker 2: war or militarization is really to criticize our soldiers and
Speaker 2: our veterans, and nobody would ever want to do that.
Speaker 1: So it's all patriotic too, right, So it's supposedly unpatriotic
Speaker 1: to criticize this one element of our own government. But
Speaker 1: this war culture has has shifted certainly since nine to eleven.
Speaker 1: I think it's very timely, but it shifted so much
Speaker 1: of our resources to these medalings all the way around
Speaker 1: the world, like we're really a global empire. It's it's
Speaker 1: kind of a Pax Americana, like packs Romana, but we
Speaker 1: just continue our bombing. It's not it's kind of like
Speaker 1: a perpetual war. I've had other guests on about that.
Speaker 1: And can you talk kind of about the financial costs
Speaker 1: of these wars that are ongoing all around the world.
Speaker 2: Well, you know, we're hearing more and more about that.
Speaker 2: In fact, last week the Pentagon budget Budget's interesting that
Speaker 2: President Biden's budget just like President Trump's budget for the military.
Speaker 2: When Congress reacted to that budget. In both cases, including
Speaker 2: the last week after the supposed end of the war
Speaker 2: in Afghanistan, the Congress of Democrats and Republicans joined together
Speaker 2: to put more money into the Pentagon, more than the
Speaker 2: either president had asked for. I think this year it
Speaker 2: was twenty three million dollars and I mean billion dollars
Speaker 2: more than had been requested. So we're talking about trillions
Speaker 2: of dollars. Although the military budget may be in the
Speaker 2: range of seven hundred and fifty billion, the CIA actually
Speaker 2: is responsible for about fifty percent of the drone attacks
Speaker 2: in our war and a huge unknowable budget, So I
Speaker 2: would say the cost is about a trillion dollars a year,
Speaker 2: certainly more than if you add everything else up that
Speaker 2: might be important, healthcare and dedication and everything else as
Speaker 2: an add up to what we spend on wars.
Speaker 1: It really is incredible how much we spend on wars.
Speaker 1: I mean, and I do think Orwell was right. This
Speaker 1: work culture solidifies the social structure of any government, so
Speaker 1: you always got to keep the people poor, people poor,
Speaker 1: and I think that's really what the budget does. And
Speaker 1: I think that both parties are shamelessly involved in wasting
Speaker 1: all this money. It's really incredible how tolerant Americans really are.
Speaker 1: I guess you have to propaganize them about war on
Speaker 1: terror to justify these gargantuan expenditures. But yeah, it's all
Speaker 1: part of it.
Speaker 2: It is propaganda, and you don't have to look very deep.
Speaker 2: You don't even have to be very intelligent or to
Speaker 2: read much in the way of the news media to
Speaker 2: realize that things like, you know, the invasion of Iraq
Speaker 2: for weapons of mass destruction, it was clearly not a
Speaker 2: legitimate reason for invading another country. If you want to
Speaker 2: see the country with the most weapons of mass destruction
Speaker 2: in the world, in fact, more weapons than the next
Speaker 2: ten nations combined, it's the United States of America. We
Speaker 2: have more nuclear weapons. We've used the nuclear weapons we use,
Speaker 2: and chemical weapons. We have biological weapons that were developing
Speaker 2: all the time. May remember after nine to eleven the
Speaker 2: anthrax scare, all of that anthrax was chasing traced back
Speaker 2: through DNA to the US Army.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was for tetri right, like the biological weapons facility. Yeah,
Speaker 1: super weaponized, you know, super weaponized the anthrax.
Speaker 2: And in terms of Afghanistan, you don't need to be
Speaker 2: very intelligent to realize what was going on there. Sixteen
Speaker 2: or seventeen of the criminals involved in nine to eleven,
Speaker 2: we're traveling on Saudi passports. There were Saudi citizens been.
Speaker 2: Lawden's money came from Saudia Arabia. They were given basically
Speaker 2: shelter in Florida for many, many months. They were trained.
Speaker 2: The only two skills they needed to have they didn't
Speaker 2: learn in Afghanistan, they learned in Florida. They learned how
Speaker 2: to fly an airplane into a building in Florida, and
Speaker 2: they learned how to use a cell phone, a skill
Speaker 2: which they didn't have before they arrived here, so they
Speaker 2: could communicate with each other. So obviously we weren't going
Speaker 2: to bomb Florida. And Afghanistan had absolutely nothing to do
Speaker 2: with nine to eleven.
Speaker 1: Either did Iraq, but they certainly wanted to be Thie
Speaker 1: nine eleven two Iraq.
Speaker 2: I mean, this is going back exactly. Yeah, And if
Speaker 2: you think about I mean, I was around during the
Speaker 2: various wars of Vietnam and Iraq, and I mean Vietnam
Speaker 2: and Cambodia and Laoist. I still to this day cannot
Speaker 2: understand the rationale for why we had to kill names
Speaker 2: of people in Asia and Southeast Asia. I just I
Speaker 2: don't understand it. And I'm afraid that now that we
Speaker 2: claim we've ended the Afghanistan war, that we will starting
Speaker 2: war with the China and or maybe North Korea again,
Speaker 2: or Iran which hasn't invaded any other countries. China hasn't
Speaker 2: invaded any other countries. But we're determined to put the
Speaker 2: world at risk. And Biden's budget asked actually asked for
Speaker 2: another thirty billion dollars to develop new nuclear weapons. If
Speaker 2: you can imagine that, you know, I did want to
Speaker 2: talk you know about my book Ending US Wars by
Speaker 2: honoring Americans work for peace, because I think that's the
Speaker 2: way to change our peace culture. We need to encourage
Speaker 2: your audience to go to US Peace for more about
Speaker 2: our website, look at the information about what we're doing
Speaker 2: by honoring people. We have a US Peace Registry where
Speaker 2: we document the specific work that hundreds of people and
Speaker 2: Americans and organizations have done for peace and end war.
Speaker 2: We're trying to create role models. We've got the military
Speaker 2: role models. They're in all the movies, they're in this
Speaker 2: you know, they come to the schools and impress the
Speaker 2: young children. But we need peace role models, and so
Speaker 2: we have documented the work of hundreds of people that
Speaker 2: we honor in the US Peace Registry, which is part
Speaker 2: of my book Ending US Wars, and we give an
Speaker 2: annual US Peace Prize to a person from within within
Speaker 2: the US Peace Registry, a personal organization that's that's done
Speaker 2: the most that we feel for peace. Many of those
Speaker 2: people have military backgrounds. In fact, Veterans for Peace is
Speaker 2: one of the organizations that was awarded the US Peace Prize,
Speaker 2: and we've done that. This is our thirteenth year of
Speaker 2: giving the US Peace Prize, and most Americans aren't even
Speaker 2: aware of that. They look to the Nobel Peace Prize. Well,
Speaker 2: we don't need to look to the Norwegian Parliament to
Speaker 2: make decisions about who's worthy of a peace prize, people
Speaker 2: like Kissinger and Obama when we have our own US
Speaker 2: Peace Prize, which is supported by the US Peace Memorial Foundation.
Speaker 2: And so we have the US Peace Registry, the US
Speaker 2: Peace Prize, and then we're raising funds to build a
Speaker 2: national monument in Washington, DC that will help to change
Speaker 2: our culture because people will then understand that it's socially
Speaker 2: acceptable to speak out against war. They see a national monument,
Speaker 2: they see quotations from famous Americans, many US presidents and
Speaker 2: cultural icons, people like Margaret Meade and Martin Luther King Junior,
Speaker 2: and you know Muhammad Ali. You know quotes from Einstein
Speaker 2: who said, I believe that the killing of human beings
Speaker 2: in a war is no better than common murder. There
Speaker 2: are strong statements from people that everyone will have read about,
Speaker 2: people like Helen Keller, but be shocked by their strong
Speaker 2: anti war statements, and.
Speaker 1: You never hear that on the corporate media, so you know, never,
Speaker 1: yeah no.
Speaker 2: And President Kennedy, who of course has many faults, but
Speaker 2: one thing that he said early in his career was
Speaker 2: that war will exist until that distant day when the
Speaker 2: conscientious objector enjoys the same reputation and prestige that the
Speaker 2: warrior does today. So basically that that is it could
Speaker 2: be the basis for our argument here that an anti
Speaker 2: war activist, once their reputation and prestige is elevated to
Speaker 2: where it needs to be so that they are honored
Speaker 2: by our culture, that their prestige is the same as
Speaker 2: the soldier, then we can we can look for legitimate
Speaker 2: arguments where the causes of peace can be argued at
Speaker 2: the same time that the causes of war or the
Speaker 2: voices of war are being heard.
Speaker 1: Right, and I mean it's it is remarkable. We have
Speaker 1: so many people that are Americans that have you know,
Speaker 1: made statements or done things against war, but their history
Speaker 1: of that is really kind of drowned out by so
Speaker 1: many people warmongers and things like that.
Speaker 2: It was, and that's why this mindment, which will actually
Speaker 2: have electronically available the listings of we have currently nine
Speaker 2: hundred specific anti war behaviors people have engaged in hundreds
Speaker 2: of people. Those will all be documented at the monument,
Speaker 2: so these people, these living people, are honored, and then
Speaker 2: it will be covered with quotations from famous Americans where
Speaker 2: everyone will know the name of the Americans that be
Speaker 2: shocked by the strong anti war quote. And that can
Speaker 2: change our culture so that people realize, well, it must
Speaker 2: be socially acceptable to speak out against war. And if
Speaker 2: we can encourage people to start honoring everyone who makes
Speaker 2: a contribution to our country, not just the soldiers, then
Speaker 2: I think we can take a big step towards questioning
Speaker 2: our military budget and questioning why we're invading country after country.
Speaker 2: These countries have not invaded us, No country has invaded
Speaker 2: us in my lifetime, and yet we've killed millions of
Speaker 2: people around the world.
Speaker 1: Right, and if the thing is that Americans are in
Speaker 1: a fishbole. They don't realize the opinion of our country
Speaker 1: from smaller country around the world. They don't understand that
Speaker 1: we have this fiction of Russia being a threat, but
Speaker 1: it's a non existent threat. But there are other countries
Speaker 1: who view America as the biggest bully of its era. Really,
Speaker 1: it's like there's a potential that they could get in
Speaker 1: they did. Look at Libya. Serious, you know, we've been
Speaker 1: in so many countries. Yeah, it's just incredible.
Speaker 2: Exactly, and maybe these wars so we have to have
Speaker 2: to wonder. I mean, obviously we lost the war in Vietnam,
Speaker 2: Laos and Cambodia, the war in Iraq. You know, we're
Speaker 2: out of there, barely got out Afghanistan. I guess we're
Speaker 2: out of that. We're just gonna bomb from a distance. Now.
Speaker 2: Libya was another one. You know that Obama engaged in
Speaker 2: basically a shock in awe of Libya, but it wasn't
Speaker 2: even covered by the media. They bombed Tripoli, they bombed
Speaker 2: they just like bush bomb Baghdad. They bombed where the
Speaker 2: people live, residents. They killed, killed old people and the
Speaker 2: children and them and noncombatants. These are just residential areas
Speaker 2: on military bases. The idea was to bring Libya to
Speaker 2: its to its knees or you know, with the might
Speaker 2: of the US government. And hopefully we'll never attempt something
Speaker 2: like that with Russia or or China. That will be
Speaker 2: the end of the world. In my opinion, It'll be
Speaker 2: in America to wake up and realize and our citizens
Speaker 2: to stop electing these warmonners Republicans and Democrats who take
Speaker 2: bribes from the war industry. We politely call them campaign contributions,
Speaker 2: but they are no less than bribes to be sure
Speaker 2: that these politicians continue to funnel money into the military
Speaker 2: industrial complex.
Speaker 1: Right, it's the original warning of Eisenhower. Right, So all
Speaker 1: that came.
Speaker 2: Exactly exactly, but yeah, it certainly did. I hope your
Speaker 2: listeners will consider looking at the US piece for Morail
Speaker 2: Foundation and the US castore dot org, our website, consider
Speaker 2: reading my book online or however he wished to a
Speaker 2: lot of it's on the website.
Speaker 1: Wars Ending US wars. So you have the national Monument,
Speaker 1: You've got the US Peace Registry, you've given. Can you
Speaker 1: talk about some of the people that you've honored from
Speaker 1: your group with.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, as there have been twelve recipients so far.
Speaker 2: Last year it was Christine On for bold activism to
Speaker 2: end the Korean War, Hewlett's wounds and promote women's rules
Speaker 2: in peace building. She's the head of a group called
Speaker 2: Women Across the DMZ and very active in getting North
Speaker 2: and South Korea normalizing relations, ending the US war there.
Speaker 2: In twenty nineteen, it was a John Lubaraka. He's the
Speaker 2: national organizer of lack Alliance for Peace and he was
Speaker 2: given the award for bold anti war actions and writings
Speaker 2: and speeches and his leadership just providing inspiring voice against militarism.
Speaker 2: And in previous years we've had people like David Swanson,
Speaker 2: the founder one of the founders of Well Beyond War
Speaker 2: and Anne Wright who is a former Army colonel and
Speaker 2: diplomat who resigned because of the US war in the
Speaker 2: Middle East and write Veterans for Peace. Code Pink is
Speaker 2: another recipient. That's Women for Peace. Nom Chomsky, who most
Speaker 2: people know is written for nearly six decades brilliant anti
Speaker 2: war analysis. Bradley Manning now Chelsea Manning, you know who
Speaker 2: revealed the US war crimes. Basically, I don't know. You
Speaker 2: can still see some of those videos of US war
Speaker 2: crimes online where basically we just killed civilians almost like
Speaker 2: a game. So Chelsea video game. Yeah, yeah yeah. Congressman
Speaker 2: Former Congressman Dennis Kucinich won the award in twenty ten,
Speaker 2: introduced an awful lot of anti war legislation and try
Speaker 2: to reduce the budget. Cindy she and everyone familiar with her,
Speaker 2: won the award in two thousand and nine, became very
Speaker 2: active after her son was killed in war. So you know,
Speaker 2: it's a distinguished group of people like Medea, Benjamin and
Speaker 2: who founded Code Pink. I'm probably missing a few names,
Speaker 2: but I apologize that Kathy Kelly exactly, who's actually put
Speaker 2: her life on the line many times in Afghanistan to
Speaker 2: keep the US military from beating up or killing Afghanian families.
Speaker 2: So you know, it's we have American heroes. And when
Speaker 2: I started this, I'm a university professor. I started asking
Speaker 2: my students, can you think of any anti war hero,
Speaker 2: American anti war hero, and you know, just silence, And
Speaker 2: someone said Gandhi and I said, well, he's from India.
Speaker 2: So if you press them hard, they will remember that.
Speaker 2: Martin Luther King Junior did speak out against the Vietnam War,
Speaker 2: but they don't know other names. So our mission is
Speaker 2: to elevate these people like Muhammad Ali who said, no,
Speaker 2: I'm not going ten thousand miles to help murder, kill
Speaker 2: and burn other people to simply help continue the domination
Speaker 2: of white slave masters over dark people. He said that
Speaker 2: when he evaded the draft or refused to be drafted,
Speaker 2: so showed tremendous courage. So we've got we have lots
Speaker 2: of people that we honor and we want to elevate
Speaker 2: their names and their prestige so we can show, especially
Speaker 2: young people, that there are role models out there for
Speaker 2: opposing one or more wars. And I have to say
Speaker 2: we're not you know, we're not necessarily against all wars.
Speaker 2: We have many people that we've honored who have fought
Speaker 2: in wars. Tulsa Gabbert is an example something. She was
Speaker 2: nominated for the US Peace Prize last year when she
Speaker 2: was a member of Congress and also a major in
Speaker 2: the military. So, you know, it doesn't matter if if
Speaker 2: you're pacifist or not. What matters is that you have
Speaker 2: the courage to speak out against any war, any bombing
Speaker 2: of people that doesn't make sense to you, and demand accountability.
Speaker 1: Right, A lot of the people who are anti war
Speaker 1: activists who want to end the war were in some
Speaker 1: of these wars. They become the most anti activists out there, right, M.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. And so I just hope that people will
Speaker 2: take a look at uscasemorl dot org and consider joining
Speaker 2: us as founding members. We're not going really public with
Speaker 2: the national media until we have a thousand members representing
Speaker 2: all fifty states. And we list all of our members
Speaker 2: that are well about four hundred and fifty right now
Speaker 2: from forty six states plus Washington, d C, Puerto Rico,
Speaker 2: and the US Virgin Islands. So you know, we're what
Speaker 2: we need another you know, or five hundred more to
Speaker 2: get to the thousand. But we wanted to have a
Speaker 2: thousand founding members representing all fifty states before we really
Speaker 2: went public to the mainstream media. Uh. And that's you know,
Speaker 2: that's something that we have to build. We have. Raising
Speaker 2: funds for a national monument is very expensive and you.
Speaker 1: Are I mean, you're expecting to spend a significant amount
Speaker 1: of money and you're also a nonprofit, right, so it's
Speaker 1: a five it's.
Speaker 2: A five O one C three not for profit, Yes,
Speaker 2: and we have. We have many, many donors. We counted
Speaker 2: them in our annual report and on our website. Many
Speaker 2: people have had their their distributions from the IRIS sent
Speaker 2: directly to US, so they don't have to pay taxes,
Speaker 2: taxes that contribute to more funding for the military. Uh.
Speaker 2: And you know there are many ways that you can contribute.
Speaker 2: Also have a volunteer program that you can read about
Speaker 2: on our website.
Speaker 1: And what can you describe for the audience what the
Speaker 1: National Peace Registry is?
Speaker 2: Yes, well, the usp US. The US Peace Registry documents
Speaker 2: the work of hundreds of Americans and US organizations that
Speaker 2: have worked up four piece and against war. So we
Speaker 2: have people, we have documented what exactly they've done and
Speaker 2: behaviorally specific terms like they founded an organization, they chain
Speaker 2: themselves to the White House fence demanding an end of
Speaker 2: the war in Afghanistan. You know, they wrote a letter
Speaker 2: to the editor of their local newspaper or an a
Speaker 2: pad article. And we have links in the US Peace
Speaker 2: Registry and on our website where you can see the
Speaker 2: US Peace Registry a links so that you can read
Speaker 2: an article someone wrote see ev interview that they gave
Speaker 2: an opposition to war, or see a piece of legislation.
Speaker 2: We have several members of Congress former members of Congress
Speaker 2: who introduced legislation. So they are about nine hundred specific
Speaker 2: behaviors that we that we have documented. Many of them
Speaker 2: have hot links, so you can actually go and look
Speaker 2: at what the person did and and hopefully be inspired
Speaker 2: from them and get some ideas of what you might
Speaker 2: do if you oppose war. You might not want to
Speaker 2: do civil disobedience, but you might want to write a
Speaker 2: r editor or a letter to your member of Congress.
Speaker 2: You might want to join anti war organizations, become a
Speaker 2: founding member of the US Piece for Moral Foundation. There's
Speaker 2: lots of things you can do. There are people that
Speaker 2: will hold a sign like in the war in Afghanistan
Speaker 2: or which I think will be continuing, you know, on
Speaker 2: a bridge over an interstate, they'll hold a big sign up.
Speaker 2: Don't don't you know China is not our enemy. Is
Speaker 2: one I've seen recently, China is not our enemy. You know,
Speaker 2: to probably convince people these are things that usually you
Speaker 2: won't you have trouble with the police for doing. And uh,
Speaker 2: you know, we'll show public support, hold holding signs on
Speaker 2: the street corner. We have yard signs, that people put
Speaker 2: in the yard saying and the wars. So anyway, there
Speaker 2: are hundreds of examples here and hundreds of people in organizations. Uh,
Speaker 2: we're trying to connect people and and hold them up
Speaker 2: as role models so that people will see that there
Speaker 2: are things they can do. And there really are national
Speaker 2: heroes that have opposed war. And you know, we even
Speaker 2: describe what some of the consequences of their opposition have
Speaker 2: been so people understand what those might be right.
Speaker 1: And and so you have those lists in there is
Speaker 1: where's the best place for people to get this book,
Speaker 1: Ending US Wars?
Speaker 2: Well, I don't want to say Amazon is the best,
Speaker 2: but if you go if you go to Amazon and
Speaker 2: look at Ending US Wars by honoring Americans who work
Speaker 2: for peace, you will be able to read the first
Speaker 2: forty pages for free where it says look inside. So
Speaker 2: but Barnes and Noble has it, and if you go
Speaker 2: to our home page, you can click on the picture
Speaker 2: of the book and it will give you I think
Speaker 2: Powell's Bookstore. They're about seven or eight different bookstores that
Speaker 2: care nationwide books a million. There are all kinds of
Speaker 2: opportunities to order the book and it's available on hardcover
Speaker 2: which is a really nice looking beautiful book, softcover and
Speaker 2: nintendall or epub, so if you get it any format
Speaker 2: you want.
Speaker 1: And you have in the best website to check out
Speaker 1: the Peace Memorial is ww DW US Peace Memorial dot org.
Speaker 1: Is that correct?
Speaker 2: That's correct? And no periods on the US just uspiacefmoril
Speaker 2: dot org. Correct.
Speaker 1: And where's the best way to contact you or reach
Speaker 1: out to you have social media or is it the website?
Speaker 2: Well, you know, I don't mind emails. My email address
Speaker 2: is knox k n o X at uspace Memorial dot org.
Speaker 2: That's the same as a website, noos at uspacemmorial dot org.
Speaker 2: But we also have that you can see on our homepage.
Speaker 2: We have Twitter accounts, we have you know, Instagram, we
Speaker 2: have Facebook, and there's a YouTube account. You can see
Speaker 2: all kinds of stuff, including presentations of the US Peace
Speaker 2: Prize or were held before large audiences different venues. So yeah,
Speaker 2: so there's access to the US Peace Prize, all that
Speaker 2: information to the US Peace Registry, to quotations, they're on
Speaker 2: our website too. The quotations that we're proposing to our
Speaker 2: founding members that be considered to be on the monument
Speaker 2: once it's built. We have of course a donate button
Speaker 2: and lots of information about the book and about us
Speaker 2: and our board of directors and how the idea initially developed.
Speaker 2: And you can read the introduction to the book there too.
Speaker 1: Right and again the title of the book is ending
Speaker 1: US Wars by honoring Americans who work for Peace, by
Speaker 1: Michael d NOTx PhD. Thank you so much for your time, Mike,
Speaker 1: thank you very much.
Speaker 2: William I really appreciate the opportunity, my pleasure.
Speaker 1: All right, stay there,