Speaker 1: I have something to say, and I hope you'll indulge
Speaker 1: me for a minute. After the tragic and horrifying events
Speaker 1: of last week, I wanted to give up. I feel
Speaker 1: as though I'm such a bad communicator and so bad
Speaker 1: at my job, my only job, that I end up
Speaker 1: arguing with my audience on social media rather than convincing
Speaker 1: them of my points here on my program. But after
Speaker 1: a lot of self reflection, a lot of what I
Speaker 1: guess they would call soul searching, and the love and
Speaker 1: support of those closest to me, I've come to realize
Speaker 1: that this is just the beginning, not the end. Evil
Speaker 1: flourishes in darkness and complacency. There is more work to
Speaker 1: be done, there's more truth to be spread, And if
Speaker 1: I'm not equipped to effectively do my job, then I
Speaker 1: simply need to work harder and get better at it.
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Speaker 1: the hot take I've come up with. If you celebrate
Speaker 1: the murder of someone simply because they have different beliefs
Speaker 1: than you, simply because of their words, simply because they
Speaker 1: hurt your feelings.
Speaker 2: Then you.
Speaker 1: Are the problem. You are the monster. Period. There's no
Speaker 1: logical reason why that should need to be said. Sword
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Speaker 2: Listener discretion is advised. Can deny and deny and deny,
Speaker 2: and then but in the in the end, out you
Speaker 2: guess you're saying, you guys know something I don't know.
Speaker 2: I mean, she's dead.
Speaker 3: Well, we do know a lot of things about her
Speaker 3: reading because she's there as the way that she's no
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Speaker 1: It's mid twenty sixteen in Seattle, Washington. The sun hangs
Speaker 1: lazily in the afternoon sky, but a stubborn layer of
Speaker 1: fog still clings to the top of the trees. The
Speaker 1: Central District is starting to wind down after another Monday.
Speaker 1: Fairy horns blaze faintly in the distance as commuters pull
Speaker 1: into their driveways. Tucked away in one of the city's
Speaker 1: oldest neighborhoods, one resident on twenty first Avenue has traveled
Speaker 1: more than most. After returning home from an out of
Speaker 1: state work trip, he steps out of his car and
Speaker 1: exhales a sigh of relief, right before noticing that his
Speaker 1: trash bins are out by the curb. Eugh with a
Speaker 1: pin in the ass. It's one last chore before he
Speaker 1: can go inside and relax. He walks over and reaches
Speaker 1: for the recycling bind and starts to pull it towards
Speaker 1: his house, but immediately stops. It's heavy, and all of
Speaker 1: a sudden, he's annoyed. The city must have skipped over
Speaker 1: his house while he was away. I'll tell you he
Speaker 1: just can't find good help these days. When he lifts
Speaker 1: the blue lid, he only becomes even more frustrated. Peering
Speaker 1: down into the trash can, he sees that there's three
Speaker 1: landscape sized trash bags stuffed inside. They didn't even bother
Speaker 1: to put it in the right bin. He reaches inside
Speaker 1: for the top bag, but when he tries to pull
Speaker 1: it out, the tie snaps, causing the barrel to topple
Speaker 1: over onto his lawn. Talk about annoying. As he rounds
Speaker 1: the front of the bin, his breath catches, and then
Speaker 1: he sees it something that can't be mistaken for anything
Speaker 1: but a female's foot lying in his driveway. Snahomish County, Washington,
Speaker 1: is located less than twenty miles north of Seattle. It's
Speaker 1: the kind of place where you'd expect life to be quiet,
Speaker 1: forested back roads, small towns, that sort of thing. But
Speaker 1: like anywhere else, this area of the Pacific Northwest has
Speaker 1: seen its fair share of let's say darkness. Unsolved murders
Speaker 1: and a growing list of people who vanished here have
Speaker 1: certainly made this region appear a little less pretty. In
Speaker 1: June twenty sixteen, that list of missing people got just
Speaker 1: a little bit bigger when a twenty seven year old
Speaker 1: mother named Jamie Haggard mysteriously disappeared without a trace.
Speaker 5: It just seems very unusual that she's Nobody has heard
Speaker 5: from her for so long.
Speaker 6: It's not like her at all.
Speaker 1: The last time anyone saw Jamie was on June ninth,
Speaker 1: twenty sixteen. The next morning, she was scheduled to pick
Speaker 1: up her boyfriend from jail. He was said to be
Speaker 1: released on misdemeanor charges. Unfortunately for him, he wouldn't be
Speaker 1: getting out as early as he thought. He was forced
Speaker 1: to find another ride home. When Jamie never showed, I fear.
Speaker 7: The most at somebody.
Speaker 8: Hurt her.
Speaker 9: She doesn't deserve that. She has two little girls, friend,
Speaker 9: she is a failing.
Speaker 1: When word inevitably reached Jamie's friends and family, they started
Speaker 1: calling and texting her phone, but received no answer. When
Speaker 1: days turned into a week and they still hadn't heard
Speaker 1: from her, Jamie's father finally decided to take the short
Speaker 1: drive over to her home in the town of Kenmore.
Speaker 1: That was on June seventeenth. Jamie's dad knocked on the
Speaker 1: front door, but no one answered. When he felt he
Speaker 1: had waited long enough, he picked up the phone and
Speaker 1: called the King County Sheriff's Office to report her missing.
Speaker 10: We think it's suspicious for a number of reasons. First,
Speaker 10: her family says that she usually contacts her mom at
Speaker 10: least every other day and they have a conversation. Additionally,
Speaker 10: she hasn't used her cell phone since she's been reported missing.
Speaker 1: What was even more suspicious was that even though Jamie
Speaker 1: was reported missing in late June, the public wasn't made
Speaker 1: aware of her disappearance until nearly a month later.
Speaker 11: Now, we asked the sheriff's office why it's taken a
Speaker 11: month to get this missing person's case out to the public,
Speaker 11: and they tell us they were hoping that in the
Speaker 11: meantime she would surface, but without any leaves there now
Speaker 11: turning to the public for help.
Speaker 1: During an early interview with a local news outlet. Jamie's
Speaker 1: cousin told reporters that despite their concerns, the family was
Speaker 1: still hopeful that Jamie would make a safer turn. I
Speaker 1: really hope that.
Speaker 9: With all this, hopefully we'll get a phone call from her.
Speaker 7: Saying, hey, I'm fine.
Speaker 6: You guys can relax. I hope.
Speaker 1: So when police attempted a welfare check, the home was vacant.
Speaker 1: What they did notice, though, was a large pile of
Speaker 1: dirt in the front yard. When authorities walked around the back,
Speaker 1: they located a massive hole dug in the yard that
Speaker 1: had been recently filled in. Because they didn't have a warrant,
Speaker 1: police left any answers. In the days that followed, rumors
Speaker 1: started to circulate online. Jamie's sister received several messages on
Speaker 1: Facebook from people who claimed to see Jamie alive walking
Speaker 1: around downtown Kenmore. After following up on these potential sightings,
Speaker 1: driving countless hours throughout northern Washington and traveling as far
Speaker 1: as the Canadian border, her family came up empty handed
Speaker 1: each time. Unfortunately, as we mentioned earlier, Snohomish County isn't
Speaker 1: exactly foreign to folks falling off the face of the earth.
Speaker 1: It's practically the edge, So if you wanted to make
Speaker 1: someone disappear, this was the place as far as missing
Speaker 1: persons go. Dating back to the nineteen sixties, the local
Speaker 1: sheriff's office has faced the daunting task of investigating over
Speaker 1: sixty five unsolved homicides. To generate leads on such cases,
Speaker 1: investigators decided to implement a technique that was previously successful
Speaker 1: over three thousand miles away on the East Coast, which,
Speaker 1: believe it or not, was a set of playing cards.
Speaker 6: The hope is.
Speaker 4: Too illicit new chips be in the population because, as
Speaker 4: we know, and they tried to talk about each other's crime,
Speaker 4: some kind of bag about each other's crime as today
Speaker 4: playing cards.
Speaker 1: In two thousand and five, a special agent with the
Speaker 1: Florida Department of Law Enforcement came up with the idea
Speaker 1: of printing playing cards that showcased all the people that
Speaker 1: were missing in the Sunshine State. Interesting collectible for my murderatorium. Ooh,
Speaker 1: can you imagine a sword and scale museum with a
Speaker 1: murder themed lounge, murder docs playing all day with murder
Speaker 1: themed drinks, and maybe a murder cafe gift shop. Anybody
Speaker 1: out there with a lot of money to burn and
Speaker 1: background in hospitality, hit me up anyway. Ultimately, Nahomish County
Speaker 1: followed suit years later and created a card game of
Speaker 1: its own. In two thousand and eight, authorities in Washington
Speaker 1: State distributed these cards to inmates and local jails and prisons.
Speaker 1: Anyone who happened to come back with information leading to
Speaker 1: an arrest or a conviction in these cold cases was
Speaker 1: promised a one thousand dollars cash reward. A card game
Speaker 1: that actually makes your money take that vegas. Eventually, the
Speaker 1: playing card technique was adopted by law enforcement agencies nationwide
Speaker 1: because it seemed to be working.
Speaker 12: It's a deck of cards that will soon be in
Speaker 12: every Idaho prison and most county jails. On each card
Speaker 12: a different cold case, whether it be a wanted person,
Speaker 12: a missing person, or an unsolved murder.
Speaker 1: The car cards generated an impressive amount of tips throughout
Speaker 1: the US. This unorthodox marketing gimmick actually worked, and you
Speaker 1: imagine that it helped resolve three cold cases in Snohomish
Speaker 1: County alone. Unfortunately, Jamies was not one of them. As
Speaker 1: creative as the idea was, her face never earned a
Speaker 1: spot on the deck of cards, which only led her
Speaker 1: loved ones to question the efforts of local law enforcement.
Speaker 1: As they often do, authorities kept their cards close to
Speaker 1: the vest. Sorry for the pun. Jamie's family was rightfully concerned,
Speaker 1: though she was a nurse who rarely misswork and had
Speaker 1: two kids who meant the world to her. While the
Speaker 1: worry and frustration of her loved ones grew day by day,
Speaker 1: that didn't mean investigators didn't already have a person or
Speaker 1: persons of interest in the case. You see, long before
Speaker 1: Jamie went missing, she had her fair share of problems.
Speaker 1: In addition to having a criminal for a boyfriend, she
Speaker 1: hung around with some other very let's say, ced characters,
Speaker 1: and one of those men was a guy named Jason Nolty.
Speaker 9: Can you just say your full name for the recorder?
Speaker 2: Jason Todd Malty, okay, and Jason is okay, and I'm
Speaker 2: recording this, okay.
Speaker 1: Jason Nolty was good friends with Jamie's half brother David Haggard,
Speaker 1: with all three living under the same roof. When investigators
Speaker 1: followed up on Jason, they learned he had just recently
Speaker 1: gotten out of jail, coincidentally for an incident involving Jamie.
Speaker 9: I mean, I was ben here probably a month. I
Speaker 9: was introduced from a friend to David. They don't real
Speaker 9: live or anything. And a couple of weeks have gone by,
Speaker 9: and did you have asked me for a place to
Speaker 9: stay just for a little bit? I can fall No.
Speaker 9: Why did you keep telling him no? Because he's no job.
Speaker 9: He didn't have nothing, so basically for free please wasn't productive?
Speaker 2: Okay, And.
Speaker 9: He got to he finally got a job. He asked
Speaker 9: me again. I said, look, I'll help you out for
Speaker 9: a month. And then you know all they say every month,
Speaker 9: you know, they pay me no rent. He's here maybe
Speaker 9: two days, loses his job and I go home from
Speaker 9: work one day and he's got his girlfriend. Here's his girlfriend, Carly,
Speaker 9: same one we talked about it.
Speaker 13: Okay.
Speaker 9: A couple days later it was his sister Jamie. You
Speaker 9: know she's living there. And when was this she started
Speaker 9: living here? Probably like May? Yeah, I know, May yeah,
Speaker 9: probably May, I guess.
Speaker 1: Jason tends to mumble and shoot gump, so if you
Speaker 1: didn't catch that. He told investigators that he was the
Speaker 1: origin a tenant of the Kenmore home. Then came David,
Speaker 1: who was down on his luck and allowed to move
Speaker 1: in temporarily while he got back on his feet. A
Speaker 1: few months later, David's sister, Jamie, moved in that May.
Speaker 1: Less than one month after that, Jamie vanished, never to
Speaker 1: be seen again. From the very start of the interview,
Speaker 1: police were suspicious of Jason. He'd been arrested for domestic
Speaker 1: violence several times in the past, which certainly wasn't doing
Speaker 1: him any favors. Even though he was locked up at
Speaker 1: the time Jamie went missing, they had a feeling he
Speaker 1: knew a lot more than he was letting on. According
Speaker 1: to him, this whole ordeal started in early June when
Speaker 1: David and Jamie started arguing constantly. One day it was
Speaker 1: fighting about the roommates stealing from each other, and the
Speaker 1: next it was disputes over who was supposed to be
Speaker 1: living there in the first place. While Jason had trouble
Speaker 1: remembering certain details, he told investigators that days before Jamie
Speaker 1: went missing, she and David got into a physical altercation
Speaker 1: in the garage, where David allegedly knocked her unconscious. What
Speaker 1: a gentleman. The police were never called, but when Jamie
Speaker 1: came to she left the home and told several of
Speaker 1: her friends what happened. In the hours that she was away,
Speaker 1: Jamie texted David, called him a worthless piece of shit,
Speaker 1: and told him to go fuck himself. Jason claimed that
Speaker 1: this only infuriated David further, but went on to suggest
Speaker 1: that someone else might be involved.
Speaker 9: Let me ask you this. You guys know who Scott is, well,
Speaker 9: I don't know what Scott's last name up? Barnes, Scott Barnes,
Speaker 9: and why do you bring him up?
Speaker 6: What's your gut?
Speaker 7: Tell you?
Speaker 9: I'm gonna tell me Scott did it. Scott did something
Speaker 9: to her. Okay, how come you didn't call me with that.
Speaker 7: You've told me that you told you David.
Speaker 9: Did it, well until me and James sat down and
Speaker 9: talked to him, right, Okay, I don't know. I think
Speaker 9: I think they both did something. I think they both
Speaker 9: know something. That's what I think because of the comments
Speaker 9: that Scott had made to me one night.
Speaker 1: Scott Barnes was another one of Jason and David's piece
Speaker 1: of shit friends, a criminal and self proclaimed Hell's Angel
Speaker 1: known to hang out at the ken Moore home. Seems
Speaker 1: like garbage attracts more garbage. Apparently, Jamie's brother, David told
Speaker 1: Scott that he wanted to kill her following the incident
Speaker 1: in the garage, and depending on who you ask, Scott
Speaker 1: supported the idea. According to Jason, Scott relayed this comment
Speaker 1: to him, who, in turn told investigators during the police interview.
Speaker 1: Hours after Jamie was knocked unconscious in her garage, he
Speaker 1: returned home. When David awoke on the morning of June
Speaker 1: nath he was enraged. According to Jason, that is not
Speaker 1: wanting to get involved. Jason said he left the home
Speaker 1: only to receive a text message from Jamie's phone. A
Speaker 1: few hours later.
Speaker 9: I got a text message picture message Jamie tied up
Speaker 9: in the tub, tied up, you know, with a caption
Speaker 9: says I gotta say I did it. I finally did
Speaker 9: to say I can't remember. I'm like, but I did
Speaker 9: what you wanted, or I did I can't remember exactly
Speaker 9: what It said something I did what you wanted and
Speaker 9: now look at her, or something was like what this
Speaker 9: is from Jamie's number? Is from Jamie's phone.
Speaker 1: Investigators chose not to interrupt him during his interview. I mean,
Speaker 1: after all, when someone's burying themselves, let them do it.
Speaker 1: And they did notice a potential slip up when he
Speaker 1: said that the text message read quote I did what
Speaker 1: you wanted hmm interesting, going by his version of events,
Speaker 1: After receiving the photo of Jamie tied up in the bathtub,
Speaker 1: Jason called police. All authorities were en route to the home.
Speaker 1: David called another friend who answered the phone to hear
Speaker 1: Jamie's screaming in the background. Meanwhile, David laughed and called
Speaker 1: his sister a bitch repeatedly, according to what this friend
Speaker 1: told police, he tried to calm David down and asked
Speaker 1: if he should come over and help diffuse the situation.
Speaker 1: David allegedly responded by stating that it wouldn't be necessary
Speaker 1: and that he had quote never been more focused in
Speaker 1: his life, whatever the fuck that meant. Minutes later, officers
Speaker 1: arrived at Jamie's door. When they tried to contact her,
Speaker 1: she wasn't bound and didn't appear to have any visible injuries.
Speaker 1: They only spoke with her briefly, but Jamie assured the
Speaker 1: officers that she was fine, so they left less than
Speaker 1: an hour later. And that's how it always goes with
Speaker 1: these sort of situations. It's never just one phone call.
Speaker 1: Jason arrives back home and the police are called again,
Speaker 1: this time by David. According to Jason, David knew he
Speaker 1: had an outstanding warrant for an unrelated twenty fourteen incident
Speaker 1: in which she allegedly tried to murder his ex girlfriend
Speaker 1: with a hatchet. Yep, yeah yeah, So naturally, David was
Speaker 1: pissed that Jason called the cops on him, so to
Speaker 1: get back at him, he called the police in retaliation,
Speaker 1: like it's a fucking game. When police arrived for their
Speaker 1: second visit that day, Jamie was in much worse shape
Speaker 1: than she was before. She was in hysterics and had
Speaker 1: fresh marks on her face, neck, and arms. Jamie's injuries
Speaker 1: were photographed, and pictures were taken of each room of
Speaker 1: their home. Jason swore up and down that he never
Speaker 1: put his hands on Jamie, but when police took her aside,
Speaker 1: she told him that he was the one who had
Speaker 1: attacked her, not David.
Speaker 9: I don't touch her, you know. So she gave a
Speaker 9: statement saying you beat her. I guess, I don't know exactly.
Speaker 9: I was told that they both gave statements that I
Speaker 9: beat her.
Speaker 1: Now, I'm not a polygraph machine, but clearly someone here
Speaker 1: is lying. As a result of the bathtub incident, Jason
Speaker 1: was taken into custody.
Speaker 9: Only the rest of me. I've never seen her again.
Speaker 1: According to another witness, Jamie then left the home in
Speaker 1: Jason' z accurra and drove to a friend's house, where
Speaker 1: she spent the night. While there, she called her boyfriend
Speaker 1: in jail. Now here's where it gets confusing. On the
Speaker 1: recorded line, Jamie told her boyfriend what happened back at
Speaker 1: the house, but never mentioned Jason's name. Instead, she said
Speaker 1: that it was David who punched her in the face.
Speaker 1: So she told police one thing and then told her
Speaker 1: boyfriend something else. He said that David had hit her
Speaker 1: as hard as he could in the stomach and that
Speaker 1: he'd tried to kill her. Why Jamie provided contradicting statements
Speaker 1: to police and her boyfriend is unclear, but more than
Speaker 1: likely she was scared. During the jail house call, her
Speaker 1: boyfriend pleaded with her not to return to the Kenmore house.
Speaker 1: When she woke up at a friend's house the next morning,
Speaker 1: on June ninth, she called her boyfriend again. During that call,
Speaker 1: she told him she was going anyway and planned to
Speaker 1: kick David out for good. As for Jason, he wasn't
Speaker 1: being ruled out just yet. Perhaps his only benefit was
Speaker 1: that he was locked up hours before Jamie disappeared, and
Speaker 1: wasn't released until late June. He was also somewhat cooperative
Speaker 1: with police, and told detectives that David had mentioned his
Speaker 1: inability to pass a lie detector test. Weird, and Dave
Speaker 1: told you.
Speaker 7: He wasn't gonna pass a polygraph.
Speaker 1: Told investigators, then asked what was up with the hole
Speaker 1: in the backyard?
Speaker 7: How much of the backyard was dug out other than
Speaker 7: that hole?
Speaker 9: Look, okay, I dug.
Speaker 7: If that mountain front you told me about. What do
Speaker 7: you think about that?
Speaker 9: I have no idea where the dirt came from. He
Speaker 9: had no machines, and it's crazy. Yeah, I have no
Speaker 9: idea why why that's that was done? At the same
Speaker 9: time the bag was filled in.
Speaker 1: Jason elaborated that he dug the hole in an attempt
Speaker 1: to fix a broken septic, but when he returned home
Speaker 1: from jail, Jamie was gone and the hole had been
Speaker 1: filled in.
Speaker 9: Look under Look underneath the shed too, of the shed,
Speaker 9: looking under the shed too. For some reason, I don't know,
Speaker 9: has that come up in a conversation? And you know,
Speaker 9: if I heard something, nothing, But now it's not the
Speaker 9: time to say, oh nothing, Just right right.
Speaker 7: Might be nothing, but if you heard it doesn't mean
Speaker 7: that it's true. But you're living here.
Speaker 1: The day he was released, Jason said police were already
Speaker 1: at the house looking for Jamie. David and his girlfriend
Speaker 1: were there, who, Jason claimed, stole some rather interesting items
Speaker 1: that belonged to him.
Speaker 9: Got inside. All my stuff was gone pretty much. I
Speaker 9: mean I have my TV still, I have my video games.
Speaker 2: But what was missing?
Speaker 9: Okay, by DVR, I have a DVR for my security system.
Speaker 9: It's gone. All my camera's still there, but my DVR
Speaker 9: is gone. Have you heard what happened to you? Piss
Speaker 9: me off? My DVR is gone. All my clothes are gone.
Speaker 9: A bunch of my child. I mean, I know what
Speaker 9: he did since I was a jail. He went through
Speaker 9: my shit, took my shit and sold. Yeah, I made money.
Speaker 1: I am Nearly all of Jason's things were gone, not
Speaker 1: just his home security system, but his clothes, suitcase, and
Speaker 1: even his bed sheets were missing. After about an hour
Speaker 1: of speaking with him, Jason gave authorities consent to search
Speaker 1: the property. As for David, he had a checkered past
Speaker 1: of his own. The now forty two year old had
Speaker 1: been in and out of jail since he was a juvenile.
Speaker 1: Dating back to nineteen ninety five, David managed to rack
Speaker 1: up charges including grand theft, auto burglary, and many many
Speaker 1: more things. David's troubles with the law started to ramp
Speaker 1: up a year before Jamie disappeared. In twenty fifteen, David
Speaker 1: was arrested for unlawful possession of two firearms during a
Speaker 1: traffic stop. He was pulled over for driving a stolen vehicle.
Speaker 1: When police searched the car, they found a forty four
Speaker 1: magnum revolver and a pump action shotgun. As a result,
Speaker 1: he served twelve months in prison and was released around
Speaker 1: the time he moved into the Kenmore home. With that
Speaker 1: being said, there was much more evidence authorities had already
Speaker 1: obtained concerning the potential link between David and his sister
Speaker 1: Jamie's disappearance, information that investigators weren't willing to reveal until
Speaker 1: they got a chance to speak with David themselves. In
Speaker 1: early June of twenty sixteen, twenty seven year old Jamie
Speaker 1: Haggard mysteriously vanished from her home in Kenmore, Washington, when
Speaker 1: she failed to pick up her boyfriend from jail on
Speaker 1: Friday the tenth, phone calls and texts went unanswered. A
Speaker 1: week later, her father visited the home she shared with
Speaker 1: several others, but found no trace of Jamie. After reporting
Speaker 1: her missing on June seventeenth, the police search for a
Speaker 1: young mother came off as an inconvenience more than a
Speaker 1: priority to Jamie's loved ones. Days quickly turned to weeks,
Speaker 1: until nearly a month later, when authorities finally acknowledged her
Speaker 1: disappearance publicly without the family's knowledge. Investigators had been actively
Speaker 1: gathering information behind the scenes. An early interview with Jamie's
Speaker 1: roommate Jason Nolty ultimately painted a dark picture that curiously
Speaker 1: lacked critical details. Fights, tensions, and violence were just a
Speaker 1: few of the red flags. Early on, one name came
Speaker 1: to mind out of the mouths of nearly every person
Speaker 1: in Jamie's circle, and it made it hard for investigators
Speaker 1: to ignore it. That name was David Haggard, her own brother.
Speaker 1: Shortly after his so called friend Jason threw him under
Speaker 1: the bus, David was brought in for questioning. While he
Speaker 1: sat across from three detectives in an interrogation room at
Speaker 1: the King's County Sheriff's Department. He was asked to take
Speaker 1: a polygraph without a lawyer present. David agreed, but in retrospect,
Speaker 1: maybe he shouldn't have.
Speaker 2: So I went through my charge. He didn't pass your festiday. Okay,
Speaker 2: this is what my computer was. So mean that.
Speaker 5: Means probable deception, in the meaning that there's indications that
Speaker 5: you're not being truthful with us.
Speaker 9: Okay.
Speaker 1: David can be seen in the CCTV footage struggling to
Speaker 1: comprehend how he failed his polygraph. You could almost see
Speaker 1: the gears turning in his dumb head. He doesn't appear
Speaker 1: to be reading the graph on the page in front
Speaker 1: of him as much as he is thinking of what
Speaker 1: to say next.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know you do you know her?
Speaker 5: But I know men in your delusion that have been
Speaker 5: under suspicion due to circumstances.
Speaker 3: We deny and deny and deny, and then but in
Speaker 3: the in the end, one or the other and doing.
Speaker 2: You know, let's just say it's the legal side of
Speaker 2: this thing. What's the crime of disposing of woman? That
Speaker 2: ods gross? Mystermeanors? I don't know.
Speaker 5: So I'm telling you that because I don't want you
Speaker 5: or anybody else. When we figured out about a no
Speaker 5: need ath and.
Speaker 2: Gods panicked and got running. The body is she's saying,
Speaker 2: she did you know something I don't know? I mean
Speaker 2: she did.
Speaker 3: Well, we do know a lot of things about her
Speaker 3: eight years because she's the West way that she's no
Speaker 3: longer with us.
Speaker 1: Now, what would lead authorities to think such a thing.
Speaker 1: Surely Jamie's home life was extremely toxic, but maybe she
Speaker 1: just needed some time to cool off and get away
Speaker 1: from all the drama.
Speaker 7: To be clear, we were still working this case as
Speaker 7: though she could still be alive. It was a too
Speaker 7: pronged approach. So one approach was, Okay, if she's deceased,
Speaker 7: we need to find her remains. If she's alive, we
Speaker 7: need to find her.
Speaker 1: According to David, the last time he saw Jamie was
Speaker 1: on June ninth, when she allegedly walked out of their
Speaker 1: home and got into a car with a Mexican man.
Speaker 2: You're going to go through this, man. I have nothing
Speaker 2: to do with my sister, nothing to do with her disappearing.
Speaker 2: That's whatever, man. I love her, Yet I don't know
Speaker 2: where she's at.
Speaker 9: I don't know where she's at.
Speaker 2: I don't know what the last six months and vistles
Speaker 2: taking on with going brown people. I don't know the
Speaker 2: messines that she's been hanging out with. I don't know
Speaker 2: any of that ship the last two months. I fucking
Speaker 2: turn her off pretty much. Your house, No, Is your
Speaker 2: phone at your house? No.
Speaker 1: David, who's obviously racist, claimed to have no idea where
Speaker 1: Jamie or her phone was. Whether he was telling the
Speaker 1: truth or not didn't really matter, since the investigators were
Speaker 1: currently filing subpoenas for the phone records of various individuals,
Speaker 1: they'd find out soon enough, that's for sure.
Speaker 2: One of the things that we're doing today is we certainly.
Speaker 5: Search for ones on a variety of phone companies, including
Speaker 5: your phone, the Gene's home, cleaning some other people's homes
Speaker 5: will The reason I say this thing is going to be.
Speaker 2: Done today in Salt today, So we're going to know
Speaker 2: where she's at today.
Speaker 5: We have to clear the people around her from suspicion,
Speaker 5: and you're, unfortunately very just got to clear.
Speaker 1: According to David, he left a short time after Jamie did,
Speaker 1: but when he came home, he noticed a fire smoldering
Speaker 1: in a burn pit in their backyard.
Speaker 14: When I got home, there was a fire outside of
Speaker 14: the Sidergrass store. It was was it was put out.
Speaker 14: It wasn't told you what I was just smoke home.
Speaker 2: You understand it. That raised SUSPICI in me. I didn't
Speaker 2: know what that was about.
Speaker 14: I've been thinking about that ever since this fucking investigation
Speaker 14: started taking out. Other than that, I don't know anything
Speaker 14: else because it was just just, yes, you guys thinking
Speaker 14: about that backyard and about why we bury her. You
Speaker 14: know very well be bury burn there. You know.
Speaker 2: It's just it's just weird. I'm gonna see that. Something
Speaker 2: I should say to you. Most guys would have was
Speaker 2: starting to burn file. But yeah, you know you are
Speaker 2: your burn next to the house. You're your burn next
Speaker 2: to the house. Are you seeing this is something different? Yeah? Totally.
Speaker 2: Five guys said he was in.
Speaker 14: It was in that hole that we have for the
Speaker 14: subject has been messed up, Eric, So we tell out
Speaker 14: the transplant.
Speaker 2: That's how the whole you aready tore up to begin with.
Speaker 2: There's a setting was fucked up.
Speaker 14: Sir, Yeah, Sue fucked up, stuck up. So I got there,
Speaker 14: you know, Like I said, it was just it was weird.
Speaker 14: Probably showed up right after me and I even say,
Speaker 14: it's under her, you know, like this was she burning
Speaker 14: right next the house for it? You know, justcause you know,
Speaker 14: you know you didn't think, you know, tell whose fire was.
Speaker 14: I thought it was James thought Jamie that's fire?
Speaker 5: Was that?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: The day the last time, well, David admitted to filling
Speaker 1: the hole. You seem to have trouble answering whether he
Speaker 1: or Jamie lit the fire. The kind of a weird
Speaker 1: thing to not remember, huh. The more detectives asked about it,
Speaker 1: the more upset he became.
Speaker 2: I'm telling you right now, I don't know where my
Speaker 2: sister is. If I did, I would tell you, I
Speaker 2: would tell you that she dd in front of me.
Speaker 2: I would tell you. I don't know. I don't know.
Speaker 2: Did she had to go fighting with her on the
Speaker 2: last time you saw her the dough the day before.
Speaker 2: We were fighting in physical No, not any more than
Speaker 2: noes that mean, I mean, I mean yeah, I mean
Speaker 2: it was forgetting. It was just go at first, but
Speaker 2: I mean I was just getting to the truth of
Speaker 2: the matter. I mean I was just I was, you know,
Speaker 2: on to her. But it was nothing.
Speaker 14: There was no fucking violntary. Then the costs came there,
Speaker 14: I know, the costs checked her out, and I was
Speaker 14: fucking clear. I didn't do anything to her. Twenty four
Speaker 14: hours later though, twenty four hours there, she wasn't at home.
Speaker 2: She was gone all night.
Speaker 9: She's gone all night.
Speaker 2: I guess we'll find out when we get the former
Speaker 2: ends today. Yeah, well she yeah you will, We'll find
Speaker 2: that out.
Speaker 1: Without being asked, David decides to bring up the bathroom
Speaker 1: incident himself, where he allegedly attacked Jamie and tied her
Speaker 1: up in the tub. If you hadn't already guessed, his
Speaker 1: story was much different than his buddy Jason's. David goes
Speaker 1: on to tell detectives how his sister tried to kill
Speaker 1: herself that day before she went missing by swallowing a
Speaker 1: bunch of pills. Allegedly, the cops.
Speaker 14: Don and at this time, I'm, you know, my sisters,
Speaker 14: she's in the bout the whole time, I'm thinking that
Speaker 14: she's taking a bunch of pills. And I know she
Speaker 14: I don't know what pills she takes, right, I know
Speaker 14: she gets gnarly fucking stuff, so I'm not sure.
Speaker 2: You know, I went from rage dampethe here.
Speaker 14: And and of course I an't call the cops and
Speaker 14: sure cal cops with and I get her to fucking
Speaker 14: throw over if there any of the savorye want to
Speaker 14: see my feorit bt a little.
Speaker 2: Sisters and buy my finger offtion.
Speaker 15: She's mad at me. You know, I'm thinking, uh, I
Speaker 15: guess especially she said no, I'll throw up. You know,
Speaker 15: I was gonna take her to the front in the
Speaker 15: toower and get her in the shower. I'm on the
Speaker 15: point of currently and King County sheriffs or the shrifts.
Speaker 2: Are walking up.
Speaker 14: So I go back to the bathroom and at this time,
Speaker 14: the bathroom door is now open anymore, it's it's partially shut.
Speaker 2: I opened the door. Now here's a girl that was
Speaker 2: supposed to he took a bunch of pills, was laying
Speaker 2: in there, entered fully closed.
Speaker 14: At one point the toe was filling up and I
Speaker 14: had and I realized that the you know, the little
Speaker 14: stopper that stops the water was up, and you know,
Speaker 14: I put it down, and you know it slapped her
Speaker 14: on her arms and not on my watch.
Speaker 2: James, you know you can fucking you better stay with me.
Speaker 2: You know what the fuck is?
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 14: So when they came in, they said, we got an
Speaker 14: anonymous call that enoymous person received the text message.
Speaker 2: The only one I said to text message too was
Speaker 2: Jason backs up my Theeriya.
Speaker 7: They're playing fucking games here, he's playing it.
Speaker 2: He's a manipular here.
Speaker 1: Notice how he doesn't bring up the photo of Jamie
Speaker 1: tied up in the bathtub, and detectives don't bother to ask.
Speaker 1: Speaking of suicide, they were curious about a note they'd
Speaker 1: come across during one of their earlier visits to the home.
Speaker 2: So Mike Honer just texted me this picture of a
Speaker 2: note that he rapped on the garage through his girlfriend.
Speaker 2: It's a suicide note in my reading of it, he said.
Speaker 1: The suicide note, made out to David's girlfriend, Carly, was
Speaker 1: written days before Jamie vanished. Police had already learned that
Speaker 1: on June sixth, one of his closest friends found him
Speaker 1: in the garage with a chain wrapped around his neck.
Speaker 1: Aside from his sister going missing, David had plenty to
Speaker 1: be depressed about. I mean, by all accounts, his life
Speaker 1: was pretty much shit. Maybe the suicide note meant nothing,
Speaker 1: but at the very least it certainly indicated the poor
Speaker 1: headspace David was in leading up to Jamie's disappearance. Meanwhile,
Speaker 1: Detective Kathleen Decker and the Major Crimes Unit were already
Speaker 1: inside the home searching for clues.
Speaker 7: I think he may have put her potentially in the
Speaker 7: crawl space. We didn't find any evidence of that, but
Speaker 7: if she was wrapped, we wouldn't have found any evidence
Speaker 7: of that. We did have two HRD dogs work that property,
Speaker 7: and both dogs, independent of each other, did have a
Speaker 7: behavior change at that CROs space point. In the bedroom.
Speaker 7: We also had a mattress leaning up against the wall
Speaker 7: there that had some pinpoint drops of blood on it,
Speaker 7: which may have been what caused the dogs to react
Speaker 7: the way they did.
Speaker 1: Kathleen Decker was brought on the case early on, originally
Speaker 1: cutting her teeth as a homicide detective. She later became
Speaker 1: an expert tracker and processor of outdoor crime scenes.
Speaker 7: That's actually the reason I was brought into the Jamie
Speaker 7: Haggard case to begin with was because of my familiarity
Speaker 7: with search and rescue resources and my familiarity with the process,
Speaker 7: so how you organize and coordinate and get a team
Speaker 7: together to do a search. And that is why I
Speaker 7: was asked to participate and help Detective Bartlett, who was
Speaker 7: the lead detective at the time that that Jamie went missing.
Speaker 1: In her thirty four years plus with the King's County
Speaker 1: Sheriff's Office, she earned her reputation by helping solve some
Speaker 1: of Washington's most high profile cold cases. In other words,
Speaker 1: if anyone was going to find out what happened to Jamie,
Speaker 1: it was her. After failing to find any substantial evidence
Speaker 1: inside the ken Moore home, Kathleen directed her team's efforts
Speaker 1: outside as they prepared to escavate the backyard.
Speaker 2: In fact, that's why we're all out. We're going to
Speaker 2: be checking out.
Speaker 5: Let's tell you equipment we're going to be doing with
Speaker 5: the batter dogs we're going to we're going to be
Speaker 5: covering that base today. And if she is found out
Speaker 5: there somebody that's explained to do you know you're not
Speaker 5: under arrest, right, I haven't done anything. Do you understand
Speaker 5: you're not under arrest? I hope you're right it I
Speaker 5: wasn't there.
Speaker 2: But in the end, if she's somewhere because she laded,
Speaker 2: I would assume that it is fun to You've got
Speaker 2: the message and you need to talk. Does she die
Speaker 2: under other circumstances, will come out.
Speaker 1: When David asked for a lawyer. Technically that's it interview over,
Speaker 1: at least it should have been. But he keeps talking,
Speaker 1: and just like his buddy Jason did, he mentions the
Speaker 1: name Scott Barnes.
Speaker 5: We got other teams doing other things, but you don't
Speaker 5: tell me the story about Scott.
Speaker 2: Your suspicions Scott taking her reason because he's like for
Speaker 2: admitted that he does. Yes, yes he should. I think.
Speaker 1: They were already looking into Scott, but fact that his
Speaker 1: name came up certainly raised a few eyebrows. Despite what
Speaker 1: they suggest to David, authorities have no proof that Jamie's
Speaker 1: debt to make matters worse. The only thing clear was
Speaker 1: that David, Jason, and Scott were all liars.
Speaker 7: It really was difficult for us as we're trying to
Speaker 7: push this forward, dealing with people that by nature, line
Speaker 7: is so normal to them that it just happens. And
Speaker 7: so a lot of what you hear isn't factual. A
Speaker 7: lot of it might be lore, a lot of it
Speaker 7: is rumor speculation. So you have to really sort through
Speaker 7: all of that to get at what is truth and
Speaker 7: what is what's factual.
Speaker 1: During this period, bodies turning up left and right across
Speaker 1: all of northern Washington, and a lot of them were women.
Speaker 1: After a severed foot was found inside a recycling bin
Speaker 1: in Seattle, authorities arrived to find even more body parts
Speaker 1: in the remaining trash backs, including an arm, a leg,
Speaker 1: another foot, and a woman's head. About a week later,
Speaker 1: additional remains were discovered in a different trash can nearby.
Speaker 16: We are confident that it is connected to last week's
Speaker 16: homicide investigation, which was only about three blocks away from
Speaker 16: where we're standing right now.
Speaker 1: The autopsy suggested that the woman was somewhere in her
Speaker 1: late twenties to early forties. Eventually she was identified as
Speaker 1: a local nurse and young mother, but it wasn't who
Speaker 1: you think in this case.
Speaker 17: Forty year old Ingrid Line was lost, a mother of three,
Speaker 17: a nurse at Swedish First Hill. She was orted missing
Speaker 17: Saturday in Renton, almost exactly two months before Jamie vanished.
Speaker 17: The body parts found inside the trash cans were confirmed
Speaker 17: to be those of forty year old Ingrid Lynn of Renton, Washington. Luckily,
Speaker 17: for David, Ingrid's killer, a man she met online, was
Speaker 17: already in custody. Still, the similarities between Ingrid and Jamie
Speaker 17: were chilling. If nothing else, it spoke to the dangers
Speaker 17: women in this area were facing at the time. During
Speaker 17: David's interrogation, detectives decided to push a little harder. They
Speaker 17: brought up a few other cases, specifically two women found
Speaker 17: stuffed inside suitcases the year before Jesus Man.
Speaker 5: Last year we found two fucking people in suitcases because
Speaker 5: of their friends, panicked, didn't know to fucking do with
Speaker 5: bodies and flowing the chicks up in suitcases and dumblums
Speaker 5: cause any you know what I'm saying, just fucking deal it.
Speaker 1: Authorities had no reason to believe these cases were connected,
Speaker 1: but they did offer their theory on what they thought
Speaker 1: it happened to Jamie's right.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's really only two scenarios. You know, beat
Speaker 2: someone as likely that house somebody freaked out.
Speaker 5: And handing the right or h somebody beat the fuck
Speaker 5: out of her and kill her. Whether that happened to
Speaker 5: your house or not, I don't know.
Speaker 18: I'm just gonna figure out out, and in the end,
Speaker 18: I am You're just you're not passing the polygraph, the
Speaker 18: simplest holograph we could design for a man like you.
Speaker 2: In your position one that you absolutely should pass it.
Speaker 2: I don't want a lawyer. I don't want to talk
Speaker 2: about player anymore. Okay, let's talk about you if you
Speaker 2: want to. You long to be done.
Speaker 1: They didn't have enough to hold them, and after asking
Speaker 1: for an attorney a second time, the interview was forced
Speaker 1: to end while heavy machinery dug up the soil at
Speaker 1: his residence a few miles away. David was ordered to
Speaker 1: stay away from the Kenmore property for the next several days.
Speaker 1: Kathleen and her team comb through piles of burnt trash
Speaker 1: and debris, searching for any shred of evidence that might
Speaker 1: lead them to Jamie.
Speaker 19: Tonight, King County detectives are continuing to look for a
Speaker 19: missing Kenmore mother of two. Twenty seven year old Jamie Haggard,
Speaker 19: disappeared around June eighth, and they are calling it suspicious.
Speaker 1: The Major Crimes Unit worked day and night at the
Speaker 1: Kenmore home, using their back host to tear up every
Speaker 1: square inch of earth, but after days of relentless excavation,
Speaker 1: the only thing they turned up was a pair of
Speaker 1: burnt construction coveralls reaking of diesel fuel, which efforts.
Speaker 7: Really didn't produce. A whole lot of clues or information
Speaker 7: that was going to be terribly helpful. The burned clothing
Speaker 7: was certainly odd at the time that we found it,
Speaker 7: we didn't know what to make of it, and that
Speaker 7: diesel smell was interesting, so we just we took those
Speaker 7: items as evidence because they did not fit. There was
Speaker 7: no readily explainable reason for them to be there, so
Speaker 7: we seize those as evidence. We took photographs and just
Speaker 7: kind of noted it.
Speaker 1: When the scene was finally cleared, David was allowed to
Speaker 1: move back into the home. As investigators widened their search
Speaker 1: across both Snah mission King County, tips from the local
Speaker 1: community started pouring in.
Speaker 7: So we spent a lot of time following up on tips.
Speaker 7: People who saw someone who looked like Jamie they thought
Speaker 7: it was Jamie seen at this place. At this time,
Speaker 7: there were a lot of rumors and amongst the people
Speaker 7: that she associated with as to what had happened to her. Hey,
Speaker 7: I heard a rumor that she was cut up in
Speaker 7: a chipper. Hey I heard a rumor that she was
Speaker 7: thrown in the river. Hey I heard. So we had
Speaker 7: to follow up on all of these as best as
Speaker 7: we could to determine if there was any validity to them. Meanwhile,
Speaker 7: we're also conducting numerous searches trying to find her if
Speaker 7: in fact she was deceased.
Speaker 1: Investigators chased down all these leads but found nothing.
Speaker 19: So this week they searched in and all around Arlington
Speaker 19: after getting several tips that she was spotted there, but
Speaker 19: detectives say it wasn't her. So they are asking everyone
Speaker 19: to be on the lookout. And while it's great that
Speaker 19: a lot of people have been sharing her photos on Facebook,
Speaker 19: detectives are asking you to call nine to one one
Speaker 19: or crime stoppers if you have any real information. There's
Speaker 19: been a whole lot of time tracking down rumors instead
Speaker 19: of dealing with actual facts and people they can interview now.
Speaker 19: Last Friday, deputy searched her property, but they came up empty,
Speaker 19: even using a back hoe to sift through the piles
Speaker 19: of trash in the backyard of the home and are
Speaker 19: recently filled in whole as well.
Speaker 1: When the phone records finally came back, authorities learning that
Speaker 1: on June ninth, twenty sixteen, at one h five pm,
Speaker 1: David's girlfriend received a text from Jamie. It was aggressive,
Speaker 1: demanding that David leave the house before the weekend was
Speaker 1: over and that it better be clean before he was gone.
Speaker 1: The tone was completely out of character for Jamie and
Speaker 1: even stranger. The text misspelled David's girlfriend's name. When authorities
Speaker 1: brought David's girlfriend in for questioning, she revealed that at
Speaker 1: around eight forty five on the morning of June ninth,
Speaker 1: Jamie walked through the door of the Kenmore home and
Speaker 1: confronted her and David. According to her statements to police,
Speaker 1: Jamie's creamed at David told him things were going to
Speaker 1: be different than that he should either get out of
Speaker 1: her way or quote get on down the road. David's
Speaker 1: girlfriend also explained that she left the home a short
Speaker 1: time later to drive her child to school, leaving Jamie
Speaker 1: and David alone in the house and piecing together their timeline,
Speaker 1: investigators also learned that Jamie called her boyfriend in jail
Speaker 1: at nine thirty two am that same morning. The call
Speaker 1: lasted roughly fifteen minutes, where Jamie was heard finalizing her
Speaker 1: plans to pick him up the following afternoon. That was
Speaker 1: the last time he heard from her. From the time
Speaker 1: she spoke with her boyfriend to the time David's girlfriend
Speaker 1: received the text message, there's over three and a half
Speaker 1: hours of radio silence from Jamie's end. When David's girlfriend
Speaker 1: returned to the home at around one thirty pm, Jamie
Speaker 1: was gone and David was in the backyard.
Speaker 7: We received information from David's girlfriend, Carly, that she had
Speaker 7: come home and found David out in the back burning
Speaker 7: something or doing something with fire in the area where
Speaker 7: we had found those burn clothes, so that kind of fit.
Speaker 7: We still didn't really know what that meant, and today
Speaker 7: I don't even really know what that was all about.
Speaker 7: But I believe it is important, it's related, it's relevant.
Speaker 7: I just don't know how it fits in the puzzle.
Speaker 1: When David's girlfriend approached him by the burn pit, she
Speaker 1: told police that he said Jamie started the fire right
Speaker 1: before she walked out the door and left with the
Speaker 1: unidentified Mexican man. David's story would later change all together
Speaker 1: by allegedly telling other witnesses that there was no Mexican man,
Speaker 1: and instead Jamie walked off on foot on Jude ninth,
Speaker 1: never to be seen again.
Speaker 7: There was some inconsistent statements that David had made about
Speaker 7: when he had last seen Jamie. He just seemed to
Speaker 7: be a little bit of all over the place, and
Speaker 7: it was really David's just inability to keep his story
Speaker 7: straight that caused David the most problems.
Speaker 1: As for the fire, this wasn't something Jamie was known
Speaker 1: to do let alone in the middle of the day.
Speaker 1: Something else that stuck out as strange to David's girlfriend
Speaker 1: were the items Jamie left behind.
Speaker 7: He had left behind some personal effects that most people
Speaker 7: went leave behind her. It was like a purse. There
Speaker 7: was a phone, her prescription medications, those kinds of things.
Speaker 7: It just seemed odd that she would not be coming
Speaker 7: back for those items, and so that peaked our interest.
Speaker 1: David's girlfriend recalled seeing Jamie's phone on the kitchen counter,
Speaker 1: but by the time police finally searched the home, it
Speaker 1: was no longer there. Weeks later, on June twenty third,
Speaker 1: Jamie's sister also received a strange message. The person on
Speaker 1: the other end claimed to be Jamie, stating that she
Speaker 1: was fine and just needed some time to figure things out.
Speaker 1: But the message wasn't sent from Jamie's phone. Instead, it
Speaker 1: came from Jason Nolty's device. It was still behind bars. Weird.
Speaker 1: Jamie's sister wanted to believe it was her, while her
Speaker 1: family continued searching. Jamie's father posted videos to his Facebook
Speaker 1: daily pleading with his daughter to come home.
Speaker 9: Send here to the.
Speaker 13: Desk, drinking a little glass whiskey, had a nice dinner, missus, Jamie.
Speaker 13: I love you.
Speaker 1: The clip shows Jamie's father watching an old Western with
Speaker 1: the caption that reads doors Unlocked Jamie Honey. Unbeknownst to
Speaker 1: Jamie's loved ones in the general public, evidence was still surfacing,
Speaker 1: most of which pointed to none other than David. A
Speaker 1: friend of his girlfriend eventually came forward and told investigators
Speaker 1: that on June ninth or tenth, she witnessed David at
Speaker 1: a car wash in a nearby town of Woodinville, driving
Speaker 1: Jason nolt Zakura and with him in the car was
Speaker 1: his buddy Scott Barnes. Meanwhile, Jamie's father continued to show
Speaker 1: up for his daughter, holding her missing person's flyer up
Speaker 1: for the local media cameras whenever he had a chance.
Speaker 13: I will find you, Jamie. I love you.
Speaker 9: That is coming and I'll never stop.
Speaker 1: Weeks turned into months, headlines of Jamie's disappearance became few
Speaker 1: and far back between, the public interest in Jamie's case
Speaker 1: inevitably dwindled and was soon overshadowed by the hot new
Speaker 1: whatever it is in the news, probably some local broadcaster
Speaker 1: bitching about Trump anyway. Roughly one year after she was
Speaker 1: last seen, authorities were able to secure a second warrant
Speaker 1: to search Jamie's property, and in May of twenty seventeen,
Speaker 1: the yard at the Kenmore home was dug up once again.
Speaker 1: This time they focused on a few areas left untouched
Speaker 1: during the initial search, a narrow patch of dirt near
Speaker 1: the back fence. Shovels hit earth. Cadaver dog circled the
Speaker 1: perimeter while a back hoe tore into the ground. Then
Speaker 1: a hard clunk, the machine jolts to a stop, and
Speaker 1: investigators exchanged glances. The operator stepped down to join Kathleen
Speaker 1: and her crew standing at the edge of what's buried
Speaker 1: beneath the surface. Jamie Haggard's disappearance in June twenty sixteen
Speaker 1: left more questions than answers. When she failed to pick
Speaker 1: up her boyfriend from jail, her family knew something was wrong.
Speaker 1: Investigator zeroed in on three men, Jamie's roommate Jason, who
Speaker 1: was known to be violent towards women, a local biker
Speaker 1: named Scott, and Jamie's half brother David. All three had
Speaker 1: been on law enforcement's radar long before Jamie vanished. All
Speaker 1: their stories were filled with bigger holes than there were
Speaker 1: in the backyard, the only common thread being their willingness
Speaker 1: to point the finger at each other. There's no honor
Speaker 1: amongst thieves, they say, burn pits and ditches. Dug for
Speaker 1: a do it yourself sewage repairer quickly became the focus
Speaker 1: of the search. All that was found was a pair
Speaker 1: of men's coveralls, burnt and reeking of diesel. When the
Speaker 1: excavator's buckets struck something. During their second search, they found
Speaker 1: nothing but planks of wood and an old TV buried
Speaker 1: in the dirt. Who the hell burries a TV in
Speaker 1: the dirt? The fuck is wrong with these people?
Speaker 20: Who hopes that maybe they would find her somewhere in
Speaker 20: there and that didn't happen.
Speaker 1: Meanwhile, Jason Nolty, Scott Barnes, and David Haggard remained suspects,
Speaker 1: but without a body, law enforcement's hands were tied, so.
Speaker 7: We would constantly offer up opportunities for David to meet
Speaker 7: with us, to have conversations, to have phone calls. Sometimes
Speaker 7: he would engage at other times he would not.
Speaker 1: For nearly two years, the investigation went nowhere except in circles,
Speaker 1: and the case lingered in limbo. That is, until one
Speaker 1: Sunday morning in May of twenty eighteen. It was the
Speaker 1: morning of May ninth, and along the desolate stretch of
Speaker 1: road that makes up Route five twenty two, a team
Speaker 1: of four city workers had just started their normal trash
Speaker 1: cleanup along the interstate in Stahomish County, Washington. After hopping
Speaker 1: out of their van, the group starts jabbing at the
Speaker 1: earth with their litter pickers and grabbing claws to gather
Speaker 1: fast food wrappers, another debris strewn across the freeway. What
Speaker 1: are these assholes that tossed their burger wrappers out the window?
Speaker 1: Seriously get some fucking manners anyway. After making their way
Speaker 1: south through the shoulder of downs road, the workers eventually
Speaker 1: spread apart to cover more ground. As one man makes
Speaker 1: his way to a nearby field, he notices a small
Speaker 1: carry on suitcase resting in a patch of overgrown grass
Speaker 1: at around seven fifteen am. After hauling a few discarded
Speaker 1: tires nearby, he reaches down to pick it up, and
Speaker 1: to his surprise, it's heavier than he expects. Still, he
Speaker 1: manages to drag it roughly ten feet to the roadside
Speaker 1: and leaves it by the guard rail.
Speaker 8: It wasn't put in a billion I just left it
Speaker 8: out there. I don't want to touch it, no particular reason.
Speaker 8: I just didn't carry it on.
Speaker 1: After about two more hours of cleaning, the crew hurl
Speaker 1: what they think are the last bits of trash bags
Speaker 1: into the trailer. By now a few of the crew
Speaker 1: members had already gotten back into the van ready to
Speaker 1: head to their next location, but before they did, the
Speaker 1: man remembers he'd forgotten one last piece, that old suitcase.
Speaker 8: I noticed the luggage was pretty heavy, and I had
Speaker 8: my picker, little picker, and I kind of disturbed it,
Speaker 8: and as.
Speaker 2: I picked it up, it just ripped the part.
Speaker 8: It just clicked into my head that something was wrong
Speaker 8: there because of the amount of work that was involved
Speaker 8: into packaging or whatever.
Speaker 2: It was in there. I immediately got on my radio and.
Speaker 8: Contacted my lead driver and I said to her, I
Speaker 8: really hope this is now what I think it is,
Speaker 8: but I think this is a body of side of this.
Speaker 8: She goes, you gotta be kidding me.
Speaker 1: After radioing his supervisor. The man crouches down to the
Speaker 1: bag again, and his curiosity gets the better of him.
Speaker 2: I opened it up, and I saw the hair, and
Speaker 2: I said, go a prep something smiles in there.
Speaker 8: I ripped it apart, just to see, you know, hoping
Speaker 8: to see a carcase of a deer or something, possibly
Speaker 8: a dog. And I opened it some more and we
Speaker 8: left it alone and called the sheriff department.
Speaker 1: After nearly vomiting from the stench, the worker runs to
Speaker 1: the van, where he joins the rest of the crew
Speaker 1: while they wait for the police to arrive. Within minutes,
Speaker 1: the area was swarmed with Sheriff's deputies. Once the perimeter
Speaker 1: was secured, they made their way towards a suitcase and
Speaker 1: started peeling back the layers. The first was a black
Speaker 1: trash bag with a distinct blue plastic tie. Inside it
Speaker 1: was commercial grade construction wrap, and final layer was a
Speaker 1: burnt red bed sheet partially stained with blood. It's at
Speaker 1: this point that authorities know this is no dead dog. Instead,
Speaker 1: they're looking at a pile of human bones inside the back.
Speaker 7: At the point that I learned about this, I just
Speaker 7: knew it was Jamie. I just knew it was her.
Speaker 1: Whoever this person was. It was obvious they'd been out
Speaker 1: there for a while, but preliminarily making an identification seems impossible,
Speaker 1: not only because they'd been subjected to the elements for
Speaker 1: what appeared to be months, if not years, but the
Speaker 1: skull and other various body parts were missing.
Speaker 7: I believe that there were parts of her hands and
Speaker 7: feet that were missing. She had been dismembered, she had
Speaker 7: been burned. There may have been some disarticulation that occurred
Speaker 7: to just naturally from the decomposition process.
Speaker 1: Also in the suitcase, where several pieces of melted hard
Speaker 1: plastic along with a necklace attached to a small round pendant.
Speaker 1: Once the remains were transported to the medical examiner's office,
Speaker 1: the autopsy results didn't yield much information aside from what
Speaker 1: investigators already knew. Only from a partial pelvic bone were
Speaker 1: they able to eventually determine the gender. While the female
Speaker 1: Jane Doe had an age range of twenty four to
Speaker 1: forty four years old, it was still a great deal
Speaker 1: of work to.
Speaker 7: Be done, so we basically had to peel back everything
Speaker 7: and look at every single thing that we could determine
Speaker 7: if it had any forensic value. Could we get anything
Speaker 7: from any of this Fingerprints were going to be out
Speaker 7: because of kind of how it was all compressed, and
Speaker 7: it was just a mucky mess. We talked about DNA extraction.
Speaker 7: There was human hair, Could we get DNA from the hare?
Speaker 7: So we had discussions about that. It was the site
Speaker 7: of the best opportunity for DNA is going to be
Speaker 7: just bone extraction from the femur that was in the suitcase,
Speaker 7: which is what we ultimately ended up doing.
Speaker 1: DNA testing would take several more weeks. While waiting for
Speaker 1: the results, Kathleen Decker revisited the evidence locker several times.
Speaker 1: After laying out the burnt items on a stainless steel table,
Speaker 1: she placed a series of photographs next to them, searching
Speaker 1: for any clue that she may have missed. In one
Speaker 1: police photo taken during the domestic incident the day before
Speaker 1: Jamie vanished, she's seen wearing a pendant necklace. In another
Speaker 1: taken inside Jason's room, were red bed sheets seen covering
Speaker 1: his mattress. After comparing the images to the items found
Speaker 1: in the suitcase, they appeared to be a match, but
Speaker 1: because they were so damaged, investigators had no way to
Speaker 1: be sure. In cases like this, DNA is everything, and
Speaker 1: the bone fragment analysis was their last hope. When the
Speaker 1: results were finally returned, they confirmed the grim truth. Jamie
Speaker 1: did leave her home, but only after she was murdered, dismembered, considerated,
Speaker 1: stuffed in a suitcase, and left to rot by the
Speaker 1: interstate who details today we learned the remains of a
Speaker 1: missing mother identified yesterday were found inside a suitcase. When
Speaker 1: Jamie's remains were positively identified in July of twenty eighteen,
Speaker 1: you would think that's it case closed. Authorities had their suspects,
Speaker 1: surely they had enough to charge at least one of
Speaker 1: them with murder. Right, Well, not really. Even though Jamie
Speaker 1: he was the confirmed victim of a brutal homicide, investigators
Speaker 1: still had a pretty hefty burden of proof to overcome. Luckily,
Speaker 1: for Jason Noulty, he was behind bars at the time
Speaker 1: Jamie was last seen, But did he help facilitate a
Speaker 1: plot to kill her before he was locked up.
Speaker 7: We told Jason right from the get go that the
Speaker 7: best thing that ever happened to him was the fact
Speaker 7: that he went to jail for a crime he didn't commit.
Speaker 7: On June twenty sixteen, because He literally was physically incapable
Speaker 7: of having killed Jamie. He was in jail.
Speaker 1: Okay, fine, But what about Scott Barnes, the Hell's Angel,
Speaker 1: the one everyone keeps mentioning Allegedly he was in favor
Speaker 1: of getting rid of Jamie before he and David were
Speaker 1: seen scrubbing down the Accura at the car wash. Were
Speaker 1: all three guilty or did David act alone Scott Barnes?
Speaker 7: Yeah, he was definitely a character to be concerned with,
Speaker 7: in part because David was saying, hey, Scott did it. Well, okay,
Speaker 7: that's great, but we need a little bit more information.
Speaker 7: Why do you say that, you know, give us something
Speaker 7: besides the fact that Scott's a bad dude that is
Speaker 7: crazy violent. You know, I need more than that. So
Speaker 7: we were always open to that being a possibility, and
Speaker 7: we had to try to eliminate Scott as best we could.
Speaker 7: And the only way you can really do that is
Speaker 7: through interviews, you know, potentially polygraphs, those kinds of things,
Speaker 7: and evidence. I mean, is there any physical evidence to
Speaker 7: link Scott Barnes to Jamie's murder? And there there really
Speaker 7: wasn't that. You know, everything kept coming back to David
Speaker 7: and the Ken Moore House.
Speaker 1: Something else investigators were forced to consider were the ongoing
Speaker 1: statements from Jamie's own family, her sister in particular, outwardly
Speaker 1: to belief that David had nothing to do with it. Sure,
Speaker 1: he had a long rap sheet and short views, but
Speaker 1: so did all his friends. He and Jamie also had
Speaker 1: repeated arguments and sometimes physical altercations about their living situation,
Speaker 1: But according to the victim's sister, that didn't mean that
Speaker 1: he killed Jamie. In her eyes, David was a good
Speaker 1: man and a good brother, despite his troubled past. Let's
Speaker 1: face it, no one wants to believe that a family
Speaker 1: member could kill one of their own. Denial is more
Speaker 1: than just a river in Egypt. It's one hell of
Speaker 1: a drug. But despite the incriminating text messages, the red
Speaker 1: bed sheets, the fires and all the other stuff, all
Speaker 1: this evidence was circumstantial. Unfortunately, when someone turns up dead,
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter what you think you know. What matters
Speaker 1: is what you can prove in court. If this case
Speaker 1: was ever going to be solved, investigators had to get creative,
Speaker 1: not by playing a missing person's card game, but by
Speaker 1: finding something concrete, something substantial. They had to fight fire
Speaker 1: with fire.
Speaker 20: This is a horrible case. I mean, Jamie was very tragic.
Speaker 20: She had two daughters, and you know, as a family
Speaker 20: that cares a lot about her, So something like this
Speaker 20: is heartbreaking and you know, to get a little bit
Speaker 20: of closure to find at least her remains. But we
Speaker 20: still have a lot of work to do because we
Speaker 20: still need to find out who's responsible for this.
Speaker 1: Unable to charge David with murder, investigators started looking at
Speaker 1: some of the other crimes he was suspected of committing.
Speaker 1: About four months before Jamie went missing, on February of
Speaker 1: twenty sixteen, he allegedly broke into a mobile home in
Speaker 1: the town of Duval that stole a refrigerator in other appliances.
Speaker 1: Later that same day, he returned to the mobile home,
Speaker 1: crawled underneath the trailer, and let two cushions on fire,
Speaker 1: causing it to burned to the ground. Then, just days
Speaker 1: before Jamie vanished, David was suspected of another fire. On
Speaker 1: June fifth, he allegedly broke into a construction yard where
Speaker 1: he and Jamie's father worked in the nearby town of Woodenville.
Speaker 1: According to Jamie's father, David had easy access to heavy
Speaker 1: machinery there, but also materials like commercial grade construction wrap
Speaker 1: for example, you know the kind that Jamie's body was
Speaker 1: found in in the suitcase. During this incident, he allegedly
Speaker 1: used a one hundred and forty thousand dollars forklift to
Speaker 1: steal a commercial welder by loading it on the back
Speaker 1: of his truck. He then proceeded to dump gasoline into
Speaker 1: the forklift's cab before setting it a blaze. Ultimately, David's
Speaker 1: girlfriend and his roommate Jason, both rotted him out to police,
Speaker 1: claiming David bragged to them about the fires, but he
Speaker 1: was never charged in Washington. Imagine that. Not long after
Speaker 1: Jamie's remains were identified, investigators received another tip, this time
Speaker 1: from David's uncle. According to him, the same day Jamie
Speaker 1: went missing, David called him and said he was hiding
Speaker 1: out in an abandoned barn. When investigators revisited the area
Speaker 1: where Jamie's remains were found, they noticed a dilapidated barn
Speaker 1: less than one hundred yards away. After combing through the
Speaker 1: abandoned structure, they found another burnt site, a melted gas canister,
Speaker 1: and a black trash bag with blue plastic ties consistent
Speaker 1: with the one they found in the suitcase. These were
Speaker 1: all pieces of a much larger puzzle, but so much
Speaker 1: time had already passed. The longer investigators waited, the more
Speaker 1: time David and his friends had to potentially destroy more evidence.
Speaker 1: Not willing to let that happen, Kathleen Decker submitted her
Speaker 1: probable cause affid David, and in October of twenty eighteen,
Speaker 1: David was arrested for arson. Roughly one year later, right
Speaker 1: before he was set to be released, his charges were
Speaker 1: upgraded to second degree murder.
Speaker 6: Today, prosecutors charged Jamie's older brother, David, with her murder.
Speaker 6: They say the siblings, who lived together, had a history
Speaker 6: of violence. Twice police dug up the yard at the
Speaker 6: home they shared searching for clues. After her disappearance, Friends
Speaker 6: and roommates say David threatened to kill Jamie and beat
Speaker 6: her up repeatedly, at one point hitting her hard enough
Speaker 6: to knock her out.
Speaker 1: It took roughly three years to charge Jamie's half brother
Speaker 1: with murder, but a charge doesn't always mean a conviction.
Speaker 1: In the meantime, authorities were forced to explain why the
Speaker 1: hell their investigation took so long.
Speaker 20: All the witnesses were very suspicious of David, but we
Speaker 20: had to get to a point where we actually had
Speaker 20: problem cause to make to feel that he was actually
Speaker 20: responsible for the murder.
Speaker 1: Although a trial date had been set and David was
Speaker 1: behind bars, investigators were far from finished building their case.
Speaker 1: Over a year later, in December of twenty nineteen, Kathleen
Speaker 1: Decker made one last visit to the evidence locker. She
Speaker 1: wasn't interested in bed sheets. Instead, she wanted another look
Speaker 1: at the burnt plastic fragments found in the suitcase. Early on,
Speaker 1: investigators suspected that these may have been pieces of a
Speaker 1: cell phone, but it was so badly damaged they assumed
Speaker 1: it was useless. That's when Kathleen spotted something. A tiny
Speaker 1: section of what looked like a melted motherboard fused into
Speaker 1: a piece of shrapnel.
Speaker 7: So we were steinied for a little bit of time
Speaker 7: until we were able to identify someone through the fbi
Speaker 7: I that was able to provide us that ability, and
Speaker 7: we were really happy when we heard that there was
Speaker 7: someone out there in the world that could potentially do
Speaker 7: something with this, and that was huge when that happened.
Speaker 1: Roughly three years after Jamie's disappearance, the destroyed plastic was
Speaker 1: finally set to the forensic experts at Quantico, Virginia. Even
Speaker 1: the technicians working for the FBI characterized this as one
Speaker 1: of the most damaged phones they'd ever seen. Somehow, after
Speaker 1: months of trying, they successfully extracted some data. In April
Speaker 1: twenty nineteen, the recovered contents were handed back to investigators
Speaker 1: in Washington with confirmation that it was in fact Jamie's phone,
Speaker 1: and buried within a cash of binary code was a
Speaker 1: voice memo, but it wasn't Jamie. Instead, a voice recorded
Speaker 1: on her device was a man's later determined to be
Speaker 1: her half brother, David. Not only that, but the voice
Speaker 1: memo was an exact replica of the text message sent
Speaker 1: to David's girlfriend from Jamie's device on June ninth, but
Speaker 1: instead it was an audio form. The timestamps were also
Speaker 1: a match. Investigators theorized that David must have used the
Speaker 1: speech to text function to compose the message and accidentally
Speaker 1: saved an audio version while pretending to be Jamie, who
Speaker 1: by that point was already dead. A selfie was also
Speaker 1: recovered from the device. It was a photo of David
Speaker 1: with his eyes wide, pupils dilated, and sweat dripping from
Speaker 1: his forehead. Investigator's reference wooden beams in the background of
Speaker 1: the image, verifying that the photo was taken inside the
Speaker 1: Kenmore home, possibly minutes after Jamie was killed. The data
Speaker 1: recovered from Jamie's phone, combined with all the other evidence
Speaker 1: that took years to piece together, finally gave prosecutors the
Speaker 1: confidence to bring their case to court. At his trial
Speaker 1: in September of twenty twenty two, the state laid out
Speaker 1: the brutal details of Jamie's death, how she was likely beaten, dismembered, burned,
Speaker 1: stuffed into a suitcase, and dumped on the side of
Speaker 1: the road. Forensic analysis linked the red bed sheets from
Speaker 1: the suitcase to Jason Nolty's bed. Witness testimony placed David
Speaker 1: at the car wash scrubbing down the Acura following Jamie's disappearance.
Speaker 1: Text messages and recovered voice memos captured David's voice. All
Speaker 1: of this was crucial in court. Despite all the evidence,
Speaker 1: there was no smoking gun, there was no murder weapon. Still,
Speaker 1: Kathleen Decker, who had worked for years on this case,
Speaker 1: was confident that the jury would make the right decision.
Speaker 7: I felt really solid about this case, and I trusted
Speaker 7: that our justice system was going to work. I trusted
Speaker 7: that the jury was going to hear the facts that
Speaker 7: they needed to hear to come to the right conclusion.
Speaker 7: So I didn't feel like he was going to get
Speaker 7: away with it.
Speaker 2: I don't know why.
Speaker 7: I just felt like, No, we did our job. We
Speaker 7: worked really hard. This is going to come out the
Speaker 7: way it's supposed to come out.
Speaker 1: Her intuition was right, and after weeks of testimony, David
Speaker 1: Haggard was found guilty of second degree murder. Head of sentencing,
Speaker 1: Jamie's family members provided victim impact statements. Her sister, who
Speaker 1: wanted desperately to believe David all along, expressed how Jamie's
Speaker 1: children would not only grow up without a mother, but
Speaker 1: without their uncle as well.
Speaker 21: You might not think that this is fair, but it's
Speaker 21: not fair for Maddie and Dilley either. They missed their mom.
Speaker 21: They don't even remember the things I remember. It's not
Speaker 21: fair that my kids don't grow up get to grow
Speaker 21: up with their aunt Jamie or their uncle Davy. It's
Speaker 21: not fair their choices, these choices to our whole family apart.
Speaker 1: Oh, did you think this case was going to be
Speaker 1: wrapped up neatly? What do you think this is forensic files.
Speaker 1: Forty eight year old David was later sentenced to fifteen
Speaker 1: years in prison, the punishment that Jamie's family said would
Speaker 1: never truly bring them closure. Jamie Haggard's case was filled
Speaker 1: with dead ends and frustrating false life. It took over
Speaker 1: six years to go to trial, but that doesn't mean
Speaker 1: everyone involved face consequences. Despite their proximity to this case,
Speaker 1: Jason Maulty and Scott Barnes were never charged with a crime.
Speaker 1: Justice is a real elusive bitch. Sometimes justice is like
Speaker 1: that ex that dumped you after saying she loved you
Speaker 1: and then ghosts you, and that's it. There's nothing else
Speaker 1: you can do.
Speaker 9: Yep.
Speaker 1: Justice is a real cut Now, that doesn't.
Speaker 7: Mean that there isn't out there someone else who had involvement.
Speaker 7: I'm not gonna say that David is solely involved and responsible.
Speaker 7: It's possible there might be others out there. We were
Speaker 7: never able to make a case strong enough to charge
Speaker 7: anyone else, and of course David was never able to
Speaker 7: give us any information beyond well, Scott did it, okay, Well,
Speaker 7: why are you saying, give me something I can work with,
Speaker 7: something that's tangible. And he never was able to do that.
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 7: There's definitely more to the story than what we know.
Speaker 7: There's other chapters that we haven't yet addressed or figured out.
Speaker 7: And let me also say, to this day, and we
Speaker 7: don't know where her head is. Her head was not
Speaker 7: in the suitcase, so that is somewhere out there. I
Speaker 7: hope and pray that at some point and someday we
Speaker 7: will have that recovered. Is it's important for the family
Speaker 7: to have all of her back and maybe at some
Speaker 7: point we'll we'll get that.
Speaker 1: Before we let Kathleen go, we wanted to know what
Speaker 1: she thought happened that Jamie. Her personal theory never reached
Speaker 1: the media, nor was it present in court, but in
Speaker 1: terms of motive, it might just be even more disgusting
Speaker 1: than the murder and dismemberment itself.
Speaker 4: So we had.
Speaker 7: Information from one of Jamie's friends that Jamie had been
Speaker 7: raped by David, and we knew David had raped Carly
Speaker 7: before she disclosed that to us. So we had reason
Speaker 7: to believe that Jamie and David had an incestuous relationship
Speaker 7: and that that had been going on for several years.
Speaker 7: He was very jealous of her, jealous of any boyfriends
Speaker 7: that she had, which is why I think that argument
Speaker 7: probably happened on the ninth. There's no doubt that there
Speaker 7: is that relationship going on between the two of them.
Speaker 1: Bet you didn't see that one coming. Forensic files, eat
Speaker 1: your heart out.
Speaker 7: So I think probably what happened is that David and
Speaker 7: Jamie got into another argument. We know she'd been on
Speaker 7: the phone with her boyfriend who was in jail due
Speaker 7: to get out, and that she was supposed to pick
Speaker 7: him up, that she was going to move him into
Speaker 7: the Kenmore house. So I think that David may have
Speaker 7: sexually assaulted Jamie. I think that during that that he
Speaker 7: strangled her. I think that after he ended up killing her,
Speaker 7: he may have panicked a little bit because he would
Speaker 7: have known that Carly was due home. Carly had left
Speaker 7: that morning to drop off her child at school, because
Speaker 7: it was eight thirty ish in the morning, and Carly
Speaker 7: was due back home noon ish, and Carly was delayed
Speaker 7: coming home because she had stopped at a store on
Speaker 7: the way home. So I think what he did at
Speaker 7: that point was somehow wrapped the body up in the
Speaker 7: sheet that he got off of Jason's bed. I think
Speaker 7: cutting her up was probably just ease of transport. That's
Speaker 7: typically why we see somebody utilize this memberment. It just
Speaker 7: makes it easier for transportation. So I think that's probably
Speaker 7: why he did that put her in the suitcase. I
Speaker 7: think the suitcase came from the house there in ken Moore.
Speaker 7: And would it surprise me to learn later on that
Speaker 7: Scott had not only knowledge, but participated in some way,
Speaker 7: shape or form before the fact, or in the factor
Speaker 7: after the fact. No, it wouldn't. I don't know if
Speaker 7: we ever will get to that point. But that's still
Speaker 7: another mystery.
Speaker 1: Jesus Christ, how's that for an ending violent offenders? Habitual
Speaker 1: lies and incest of all things, or just a few
Speaker 1: of the potential factors that make Jamie's murder a mysterious
Speaker 1: one almost nine years later? These back road country white
Speaker 1: folk or something else, I'll tell you. I mean, I
Speaker 1: do love cracker Barrel, But damn, like Kathleen said, we
Speaker 1: might never actually find out what really happened to Jamie
Speaker 1: that day. Still you have to wonder did justice really prevail?
Speaker 5: There?
Speaker 1: Is this case just another reminder that some people are
Speaker 1: better at getting away with murder than others. Either way,
Speaker 1: it sure does make you look at this case a
Speaker 1: little differently when you remember what David.
Speaker 2: Said, I have nothing to do.
Speaker 1: Yet, ew ew ew gross. Well that's gonna do it.
Speaker 1: I gotta go watch some cartoons. This episode was written
Speaker 1: and produced by Mike Dunfie. If you like what we
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