WEBVTT 1 00:00:01.120 --> 00:00:03.640 I have something to say, and I hope you'll indulge 2 00:00:03.680 --> 00:00:09.679 me for a minute. After the tragic and horrifying events 3 00:00:09.679 --> 00:00:15.439 of last week, I wanted to give up. I feel 4 00:00:15.480 --> 00:00:20.359 as though I'm such a bad communicator and so bad 5 00:00:20.519 --> 00:00:25.120 at my job, my only job, that I end up 6 00:00:25.879 --> 00:00:30.480 arguing with my audience on social media rather than convincing 7 00:00:30.519 --> 00:00:35.640 them of my points here on my program. But after 8 00:00:35.759 --> 00:00:39.600 a lot of self reflection, a lot of what I 9 00:00:39.600 --> 00:00:43.479 guess they would call soul searching, and the love and 10 00:00:43.520 --> 00:00:47.520 support of those closest to me, I've come to realize 11 00:00:47.560 --> 00:00:54.119 that this is just the beginning, not the end. Evil 12 00:00:54.320 --> 00:01:02.280 flourishes in darkness and complacency. There is more work to 13 00:01:02.399 --> 00:01:08.159 be done, there's more truth to be spread, And if 14 00:01:08.200 --> 00:01:13.239 I'm not equipped to effectively do my job, then I 15 00:01:13.280 --> 00:01:17.120 simply need to work harder and get better at it. 16 00:01:19.239 --> 00:01:23.120 So here's a little bit of truth for you. Here's 17 00:01:23.200 --> 00:01:29.319 the hot take I've come up with. If you celebrate 18 00:01:29.359 --> 00:01:32.840 the murder of someone simply because they have different beliefs 19 00:01:32.879 --> 00:01:38.439 than you, simply because of their words, simply because they 20 00:01:38.719 --> 00:01:42.000 hurt your feelings. 21 00:01:41.079 --> 00:01:41.560 Then you. 22 00:01:43.040 --> 00:01:52.879 Are the problem. You are the monster. Period. There's no 23 00:01:53.000 --> 00:02:00.280 logical reason why that should need to be said. Sword 24 00:02:00.359 --> 00:02:03.439 and Scale contains adult themes and violence, and it is 25 00:02:03.560 --> 00:02:05.280 not intended for all audiences. 26 00:02:05.959 --> 00:02:13.599 Listener discretion is advised. Can deny and deny and deny, 27 00:02:13.680 --> 00:02:16.960 and then but in the in the end, out you 28 00:02:16.960 --> 00:02:19.840 guess you're saying, you guys know something I don't know. 29 00:02:20.159 --> 00:02:22.039 I mean, she's dead. 30 00:02:22.199 --> 00:02:24.439 Well, we do know a lot of things about her 31 00:02:24.759 --> 00:02:28.199 reading because she's there as the way that she's no 32 00:02:28.240 --> 00:02:30.360 longer with us. 33 00:02:56.680 --> 00:02:59.879 M hm. 34 00:03:19.639 --> 00:03:25.719 It's mid twenty sixteen in Seattle, Washington. The sun hangs 35 00:03:25.800 --> 00:03:29.960 lazily in the afternoon sky, but a stubborn layer of 36 00:03:30.080 --> 00:03:33.719 fog still clings to the top of the trees. The 37 00:03:33.759 --> 00:03:38.080 Central District is starting to wind down after another Monday. 38 00:03:38.360 --> 00:03:42.080 Fairy horns blaze faintly in the distance as commuters pull 39 00:03:42.120 --> 00:03:45.240 into their driveways. Tucked away in one of the city's 40 00:03:45.400 --> 00:03:50.039 oldest neighborhoods, one resident on twenty first Avenue has traveled 41 00:03:50.080 --> 00:03:53.039 more than most. After returning home from an out of 42 00:03:53.080 --> 00:03:56.919 state work trip, he steps out of his car and 43 00:03:57.080 --> 00:04:01.400 exhales a sigh of relief, right before noticing that his 44 00:04:01.520 --> 00:04:05.240 trash bins are out by the curb. Eugh with a 45 00:04:05.240 --> 00:04:08.520 pin in the ass. It's one last chore before he 46 00:04:08.520 --> 00:04:12.719 can go inside and relax. He walks over and reaches 47 00:04:12.759 --> 00:04:15.280 for the recycling bind and starts to pull it towards 48 00:04:15.280 --> 00:04:20.759 his house, but immediately stops. It's heavy, and all of 49 00:04:20.800 --> 00:04:24.000 a sudden, he's annoyed. The city must have skipped over 50 00:04:24.040 --> 00:04:27.160 his house while he was away. I'll tell you he 51 00:04:27.240 --> 00:04:30.920 just can't find good help these days. When he lifts 52 00:04:30.959 --> 00:04:35.839 the blue lid, he only becomes even more frustrated. Peering 53 00:04:35.879 --> 00:04:38.720 down into the trash can, he sees that there's three 54 00:04:38.879 --> 00:04:43.480 landscape sized trash bags stuffed inside. They didn't even bother 55 00:04:43.560 --> 00:04:46.839 to put it in the right bin. He reaches inside 56 00:04:46.839 --> 00:04:48.959 for the top bag, but when he tries to pull 57 00:04:48.959 --> 00:04:53.160 it out, the tie snaps, causing the barrel to topple 58 00:04:53.199 --> 00:04:58.600 over onto his lawn. Talk about annoying. As he rounds 59 00:04:58.680 --> 00:05:02.519 the front of the bin, his breath catches, and then 60 00:05:02.560 --> 00:05:07.079 he sees it something that can't be mistaken for anything 61 00:05:08.079 --> 00:05:41.519 but a female's foot lying in his driveway. Snahomish County, Washington, 62 00:05:41.639 --> 00:05:45.920 is located less than twenty miles north of Seattle. It's 63 00:05:45.959 --> 00:05:49.120 the kind of place where you'd expect life to be quiet, 64 00:05:49.560 --> 00:05:53.439 forested back roads, small towns, that sort of thing. But 65 00:05:53.600 --> 00:05:57.040 like anywhere else, this area of the Pacific Northwest has 66 00:05:57.079 --> 00:06:03.560 seen its fair share of let's say darkness. Unsolved murders 67 00:06:03.600 --> 00:06:06.360 and a growing list of people who vanished here have 68 00:06:07.079 --> 00:06:11.160 certainly made this region appear a little less pretty. In 69 00:06:11.399 --> 00:06:14.839 June twenty sixteen, that list of missing people got just 70 00:06:14.879 --> 00:06:17.920 a little bit bigger when a twenty seven year old 71 00:06:17.959 --> 00:06:22.920 mother named Jamie Haggard mysteriously disappeared without a trace. 72 00:06:23.560 --> 00:06:26.800 It just seems very unusual that she's Nobody has heard 73 00:06:26.839 --> 00:06:27.839 from her for so long. 74 00:06:28.240 --> 00:06:29.279 It's not like her at all. 75 00:06:30.399 --> 00:06:33.199 The last time anyone saw Jamie was on June ninth, 76 00:06:33.399 --> 00:06:37.040 twenty sixteen. The next morning, she was scheduled to pick 77 00:06:37.120 --> 00:06:40.360 up her boyfriend from jail. He was said to be 78 00:06:40.560 --> 00:06:45.439 released on misdemeanor charges. Unfortunately for him, he wouldn't be 79 00:06:45.439 --> 00:06:48.759 getting out as early as he thought. He was forced 80 00:06:48.800 --> 00:06:52.839 to find another ride home. When Jamie never showed, I fear. 81 00:06:52.680 --> 00:06:53.720 The most at somebody. 82 00:06:55.279 --> 00:06:55.720 Hurt her. 83 00:07:00.160 --> 00:07:03.839 She doesn't deserve that. She has two little girls, friend, 84 00:07:05.040 --> 00:07:05.879 she is a failing. 85 00:07:08.759 --> 00:07:13.560 When word inevitably reached Jamie's friends and family, they started 86 00:07:13.600 --> 00:07:18.240 calling and texting her phone, but received no answer. When 87 00:07:18.360 --> 00:07:21.240 days turned into a week and they still hadn't heard 88 00:07:21.240 --> 00:07:24.600 from her, Jamie's father finally decided to take the short 89 00:07:24.680 --> 00:07:27.279 drive over to her home in the town of Kenmore. 90 00:07:28.319 --> 00:07:32.199 That was on June seventeenth. Jamie's dad knocked on the 91 00:07:32.240 --> 00:07:35.399 front door, but no one answered. When he felt he 92 00:07:35.439 --> 00:07:38.680 had waited long enough, he picked up the phone and 93 00:07:38.800 --> 00:07:41.639 called the King County Sheriff's Office to report her missing. 94 00:07:42.199 --> 00:07:44.600 We think it's suspicious for a number of reasons. First, 95 00:07:44.680 --> 00:07:47.199 her family says that she usually contacts her mom at 96 00:07:47.279 --> 00:07:50.680 least every other day and they have a conversation. Additionally, 97 00:07:50.720 --> 00:07:53.879 she hasn't used her cell phone since she's been reported missing. 98 00:07:55.160 --> 00:07:58.120 What was even more suspicious was that even though Jamie 99 00:07:58.240 --> 00:08:02.079 was reported missing in late June, the public wasn't made 100 00:08:02.079 --> 00:08:04.759 aware of her disappearance until nearly a month later. 101 00:08:05.360 --> 00:08:07.560 Now, we asked the sheriff's office why it's taken a 102 00:08:07.560 --> 00:08:09.959 month to get this missing person's case out to the public, 103 00:08:10.040 --> 00:08:11.920 and they tell us they were hoping that in the 104 00:08:11.959 --> 00:08:14.800 meantime she would surface, but without any leaves there now 105 00:08:14.879 --> 00:08:16.360 turning to the public for help. 106 00:08:17.560 --> 00:08:21.639 During an early interview with a local news outlet. Jamie's 107 00:08:21.680 --> 00:08:26.040 cousin told reporters that despite their concerns, the family was 108 00:08:26.079 --> 00:08:29.639 still hopeful that Jamie would make a safer turn. I 109 00:08:29.680 --> 00:08:31.079 really hope that. 110 00:08:31.240 --> 00:08:33.759 With all this, hopefully we'll get a phone call from her. 111 00:08:33.919 --> 00:08:34.919 Saying, hey, I'm fine. 112 00:08:35.159 --> 00:08:37.799 You guys can relax. I hope. 113 00:08:37.840 --> 00:08:42.799 So when police attempted a welfare check, the home was vacant. 114 00:08:43.720 --> 00:08:46.240 What they did notice, though, was a large pile of 115 00:08:46.279 --> 00:08:50.360 dirt in the front yard. When authorities walked around the back, 116 00:08:50.399 --> 00:08:53.720 they located a massive hole dug in the yard that 117 00:08:53.799 --> 00:08:58.320 had been recently filled in. Because they didn't have a warrant, 118 00:08:58.720 --> 00:09:03.840 police left any answers. In the days that followed, rumors 119 00:09:03.879 --> 00:09:08.480 started to circulate online. Jamie's sister received several messages on 120 00:09:08.519 --> 00:09:12.720 Facebook from people who claimed to see Jamie alive walking 121 00:09:12.759 --> 00:09:17.759 around downtown Kenmore. After following up on these potential sightings, 122 00:09:18.440 --> 00:09:23.360 driving countless hours throughout northern Washington and traveling as far 123 00:09:23.399 --> 00:09:27.120 as the Canadian border, her family came up empty handed 124 00:09:27.720 --> 00:09:33.159 each time. Unfortunately, as we mentioned earlier, Snohomish County isn't 125 00:09:33.200 --> 00:09:36.120 exactly foreign to folks falling off the face of the earth. 126 00:09:37.080 --> 00:09:41.080 It's practically the edge, So if you wanted to make 127 00:09:41.120 --> 00:09:45.240 someone disappear, this was the place as far as missing 128 00:09:45.279 --> 00:09:49.440 persons go. Dating back to the nineteen sixties, the local 129 00:09:49.480 --> 00:09:52.960 sheriff's office has faced the daunting task of investigating over 130 00:09:53.080 --> 00:09:58.159 sixty five unsolved homicides. To generate leads on such cases, 131 00:09:58.240 --> 00:10:03.600 investigators decided to implement a technique that was previously successful 132 00:10:03.639 --> 00:10:07.320 over three thousand miles away on the East Coast, which, 133 00:10:07.360 --> 00:10:11.600 believe it or not, was a set of playing cards. 134 00:10:12.080 --> 00:10:12.879 The hope is. 135 00:10:13.039 --> 00:10:19.080 Too illicit new chips be in the population because, as 136 00:10:19.120 --> 00:10:22.080 we know, and they tried to talk about each other's crime, 137 00:10:22.279 --> 00:10:25.840 some kind of bag about each other's crime as today 138 00:10:25.919 --> 00:10:26.960 playing cards. 139 00:10:27.960 --> 00:10:30.480 In two thousand and five, a special agent with the 140 00:10:30.519 --> 00:10:33.519 Florida Department of Law Enforcement came up with the idea 141 00:10:34.240 --> 00:10:37.440 of printing playing cards that showcased all the people that 142 00:10:37.480 --> 00:10:46.039 were missing in the Sunshine State. Interesting collectible for my murderatorium. Ooh, 143 00:10:46.679 --> 00:10:50.080 can you imagine a sword and scale museum with a 144 00:10:50.200 --> 00:10:56.720 murder themed lounge, murder docs playing all day with murder 145 00:10:56.799 --> 00:11:01.720 themed drinks, and maybe a murder cafe gift shop. Anybody 146 00:11:01.720 --> 00:11:03.919 out there with a lot of money to burn and 147 00:11:04.120 --> 00:11:09.519 background in hospitality, hit me up anyway. Ultimately, Nahomish County 148 00:11:09.559 --> 00:11:12.440 followed suit years later and created a card game of 149 00:11:12.480 --> 00:11:15.960 its own. In two thousand and eight, authorities in Washington 150 00:11:16.039 --> 00:11:20.120 State distributed these cards to inmates and local jails and prisons. 151 00:11:21.000 --> 00:11:23.759 Anyone who happened to come back with information leading to 152 00:11:23.799 --> 00:11:27.159 an arrest or a conviction in these cold cases was 153 00:11:27.200 --> 00:11:32.120 promised a one thousand dollars cash reward. A card game 154 00:11:32.159 --> 00:11:37.480 that actually makes your money take that vegas. Eventually, the 155 00:11:37.519 --> 00:11:41.559 playing card technique was adopted by law enforcement agencies nationwide 156 00:11:41.600 --> 00:11:43.120 because it seemed to be working. 157 00:11:45.919 --> 00:11:47.960 It's a deck of cards that will soon be in 158 00:11:48.039 --> 00:11:51.919 every Idaho prison and most county jails. On each card 159 00:11:52.000 --> 00:11:55.080 a different cold case, whether it be a wanted person, 160 00:11:55.480 --> 00:11:58.639 a missing person, or an unsolved murder. 161 00:11:59.639 --> 00:12:03.159 The car cards generated an impressive amount of tips throughout 162 00:12:03.159 --> 00:12:08.000 the US. This unorthodox marketing gimmick actually worked, and you 163 00:12:08.000 --> 00:12:12.360 imagine that it helped resolve three cold cases in Snohomish 164 00:12:12.440 --> 00:12:18.919 County alone. Unfortunately, Jamies was not one of them. As 165 00:12:18.960 --> 00:12:22.320 creative as the idea was, her face never earned a 166 00:12:22.399 --> 00:12:25.639 spot on the deck of cards, which only led her 167 00:12:25.639 --> 00:12:28.840 loved ones to question the efforts of local law enforcement. 168 00:12:29.799 --> 00:12:32.600 As they often do, authorities kept their cards close to 169 00:12:32.639 --> 00:12:38.200 the vest. Sorry for the pun. Jamie's family was rightfully concerned, 170 00:12:38.240 --> 00:12:41.600 though she was a nurse who rarely misswork and had 171 00:12:41.600 --> 00:12:44.840 two kids who meant the world to her. While the 172 00:12:44.879 --> 00:12:47.679 worry and frustration of her loved ones grew day by day, 173 00:12:48.639 --> 00:12:51.399 that didn't mean investigators didn't already have a person or 174 00:12:52.159 --> 00:12:57.240 persons of interest in the case. You see, long before 175 00:12:57.279 --> 00:13:00.759 Jamie went missing, she had her fair share of problems. 176 00:13:01.639 --> 00:13:04.759 In addition to having a criminal for a boyfriend, she 177 00:13:04.879 --> 00:13:09.879 hung around with some other very let's say, ced characters, 178 00:13:10.799 --> 00:13:13.639 and one of those men was a guy named Jason Nolty. 179 00:13:14.200 --> 00:13:16.080 Can you just say your full name for the recorder? 180 00:13:16.399 --> 00:13:20.000 Jason Todd Malty, okay, and Jason is okay, and I'm 181 00:13:20.039 --> 00:13:21.399 recording this, okay. 182 00:13:22.639 --> 00:13:27.519 Jason Nolty was good friends with Jamie's half brother David Haggard, 183 00:13:28.320 --> 00:13:32.799 with all three living under the same roof. When investigators 184 00:13:32.799 --> 00:13:36.519 followed up on Jason, they learned he had just recently 185 00:13:36.519 --> 00:13:41.559 gotten out of jail, coincidentally for an incident involving Jamie. 186 00:13:42.159 --> 00:13:45.679 I mean, I was ben here probably a month. I 187 00:13:45.720 --> 00:13:50.759 was introduced from a friend to David. They don't real 188 00:13:50.759 --> 00:13:53.639 live or anything. And a couple of weeks have gone by, 189 00:13:53.720 --> 00:13:55.559 and did you have asked me for a place to 190 00:13:55.600 --> 00:13:59.320 stay just for a little bit? I can fall No. 191 00:14:00.519 --> 00:14:02.559 Why did you keep telling him no? Because he's no job. 192 00:14:02.600 --> 00:14:06.399 He didn't have nothing, so basically for free please wasn't productive? 193 00:14:06.720 --> 00:14:07.840 Okay, And. 194 00:14:09.320 --> 00:14:12.279 He got to he finally got a job. He asked 195 00:14:12.320 --> 00:14:14.919 me again. I said, look, I'll help you out for 196 00:14:14.960 --> 00:14:17.960 a month. And then you know all they say every month, 197 00:14:18.000 --> 00:14:20.879 you know, they pay me no rent. He's here maybe 198 00:14:21.000 --> 00:14:24.879 two days, loses his job and I go home from 199 00:14:24.919 --> 00:14:31.000 work one day and he's got his girlfriend. Here's his girlfriend, Carly, 200 00:14:31.240 --> 00:14:32.600 same one we talked about it. 201 00:14:32.679 --> 00:14:32.960 Okay. 202 00:14:34.960 --> 00:14:39.440 A couple days later it was his sister Jamie. You 203 00:14:39.519 --> 00:14:43.080 know she's living there. And when was this she started 204 00:14:43.120 --> 00:14:50.559 living here? Probably like May? Yeah, I know, May yeah, 205 00:14:50.639 --> 00:14:51.679 probably May, I guess. 206 00:14:52.799 --> 00:14:56.360 Jason tends to mumble and shoot gump, so if you 207 00:14:56.360 --> 00:14:59.159 didn't catch that. He told investigators that he was the 208 00:14:59.559 --> 00:15:03.879 origin a tenant of the Kenmore home. Then came David, 209 00:15:03.919 --> 00:15:06.360 who was down on his luck and allowed to move 210 00:15:06.360 --> 00:15:09.799 in temporarily while he got back on his feet. A 211 00:15:09.799 --> 00:15:13.919 few months later, David's sister, Jamie, moved in that May. 212 00:15:15.039 --> 00:15:19.600 Less than one month after that, Jamie vanished, never to 213 00:15:19.639 --> 00:15:24.559 be seen again. From the very start of the interview, 214 00:15:25.240 --> 00:15:29.440 police were suspicious of Jason. He'd been arrested for domestic 215 00:15:29.519 --> 00:15:33.080 violence several times in the past, which certainly wasn't doing 216 00:15:33.120 --> 00:15:36.440 him any favors. Even though he was locked up at 217 00:15:36.480 --> 00:15:40.000 the time Jamie went missing, they had a feeling he 218 00:15:40.080 --> 00:15:43.679 knew a lot more than he was letting on. According 219 00:15:43.679 --> 00:15:47.440 to him, this whole ordeal started in early June when 220 00:15:47.519 --> 00:15:51.799 David and Jamie started arguing constantly. One day it was 221 00:15:51.919 --> 00:15:55.480 fighting about the roommates stealing from each other, and the 222 00:15:55.519 --> 00:15:58.480 next it was disputes over who was supposed to be 223 00:15:58.559 --> 00:16:02.200 living there in the first place. While Jason had trouble 224 00:16:02.279 --> 00:16:06.519 remembering certain details, he told investigators that days before Jamie 225 00:16:06.559 --> 00:16:10.440 went missing, she and David got into a physical altercation 226 00:16:10.879 --> 00:16:15.720 in the garage, where David allegedly knocked her unconscious. What 227 00:16:15.840 --> 00:16:20.240 a gentleman. The police were never called, but when Jamie 228 00:16:20.399 --> 00:16:23.080 came to she left the home and told several of 229 00:16:23.080 --> 00:16:26.600 her friends what happened. In the hours that she was away, 230 00:16:26.720 --> 00:16:30.279 Jamie texted David, called him a worthless piece of shit, 231 00:16:30.440 --> 00:16:33.960 and told him to go fuck himself. Jason claimed that 232 00:16:34.039 --> 00:16:37.639 this only infuriated David further, but went on to suggest 233 00:16:37.720 --> 00:16:39.840 that someone else might be involved. 234 00:16:40.399 --> 00:16:43.600 Let me ask you this. You guys know who Scott is, well, 235 00:16:43.600 --> 00:16:47.559 I don't know what Scott's last name up? Barnes, Scott Barnes, 236 00:16:47.879 --> 00:16:48.919 and why do you bring him up? 237 00:16:51.879 --> 00:16:52.559 What's your gut? 238 00:16:52.639 --> 00:16:52.960 Tell you? 239 00:16:54.000 --> 00:16:57.279 I'm gonna tell me Scott did it. Scott did something 240 00:16:57.279 --> 00:16:59.360 to her. Okay, how come you didn't call me with that. 241 00:17:00.159 --> 00:17:03.159 You've told me that you told you David. 242 00:17:02.840 --> 00:17:05.119 Did it, well until me and James sat down and 243 00:17:05.119 --> 00:17:11.519 talked to him, right, Okay, I don't know. I think 244 00:17:12.039 --> 00:17:13.759 I think they both did something. I think they both 245 00:17:13.799 --> 00:17:17.079 know something. That's what I think because of the comments 246 00:17:17.079 --> 00:17:18.599 that Scott had made to me one night. 247 00:17:19.759 --> 00:17:23.480 Scott Barnes was another one of Jason and David's piece 248 00:17:23.480 --> 00:17:27.839 of shit friends, a criminal and self proclaimed Hell's Angel 249 00:17:28.559 --> 00:17:31.920 known to hang out at the ken Moore home. Seems 250 00:17:31.960 --> 00:17:38.319 like garbage attracts more garbage. Apparently, Jamie's brother, David told 251 00:17:38.400 --> 00:17:41.559 Scott that he wanted to kill her following the incident 252 00:17:41.559 --> 00:17:45.799 in the garage, and depending on who you ask, Scott 253 00:17:46.240 --> 00:17:50.759 supported the idea. According to Jason, Scott relayed this comment 254 00:17:50.839 --> 00:17:55.720 to him, who, in turn told investigators during the police interview. 255 00:17:55.880 --> 00:18:00.160 Hours after Jamie was knocked unconscious in her garage, he 256 00:18:00.200 --> 00:18:03.680 returned home. When David awoke on the morning of June 257 00:18:03.759 --> 00:18:09.799 nath he was enraged. According to Jason, that is not 258 00:18:09.880 --> 00:18:12.720 wanting to get involved. Jason said he left the home 259 00:18:12.920 --> 00:18:15.680 only to receive a text message from Jamie's phone. A 260 00:18:15.720 --> 00:18:16.599 few hours later. 261 00:18:17.279 --> 00:18:21.599 I got a text message picture message Jamie tied up 262 00:18:21.640 --> 00:18:23.759 in the tub, tied up, you know, with a caption 263 00:18:24.519 --> 00:18:28.599 says I gotta say I did it. I finally did 264 00:18:28.880 --> 00:18:32.279 to say I can't remember. I'm like, but I did 265 00:18:32.319 --> 00:18:34.920 what you wanted, or I did I can't remember exactly 266 00:18:34.960 --> 00:18:36.440 what It said something I did what you wanted and 267 00:18:36.599 --> 00:18:38.680 now look at her, or something was like what this 268 00:18:38.720 --> 00:18:41.079 is from Jamie's number? Is from Jamie's phone. 269 00:18:42.000 --> 00:18:46.519 Investigators chose not to interrupt him during his interview. I mean, 270 00:18:46.559 --> 00:18:50.200 after all, when someone's burying themselves, let them do it. 271 00:18:51.200 --> 00:18:54.880 And they did notice a potential slip up when he 272 00:18:54.960 --> 00:18:58.680 said that the text message read quote I did what 273 00:18:58.720 --> 00:19:05.759 you wanted hmm interesting, going by his version of events, 274 00:19:06.480 --> 00:19:09.680 After receiving the photo of Jamie tied up in the bathtub, 275 00:19:10.119 --> 00:19:14.839 Jason called police. All authorities were en route to the home. 276 00:19:15.559 --> 00:19:18.359 David called another friend who answered the phone to hear 277 00:19:18.480 --> 00:19:23.079 Jamie's screaming in the background. Meanwhile, David laughed and called 278 00:19:23.079 --> 00:19:27.359 his sister a bitch repeatedly, according to what this friend 279 00:19:27.400 --> 00:19:30.720 told police, he tried to calm David down and asked 280 00:19:30.759 --> 00:19:33.480 if he should come over and help diffuse the situation. 281 00:19:34.480 --> 00:19:38.599 David allegedly responded by stating that it wouldn't be necessary 282 00:19:39.119 --> 00:19:43.200 and that he had quote never been more focused in 283 00:19:43.279 --> 00:19:48.359 his life, whatever the fuck that meant. Minutes later, officers 284 00:19:48.480 --> 00:19:52.640 arrived at Jamie's door. When they tried to contact her, 285 00:19:52.720 --> 00:19:55.960 she wasn't bound and didn't appear to have any visible injuries. 286 00:19:56.799 --> 00:19:59.319 They only spoke with her briefly, but Jamie assured the 287 00:19:59.359 --> 00:20:04.079 officers that she was fine, so they left less than 288 00:20:04.119 --> 00:20:06.680 an hour later. And that's how it always goes with 289 00:20:06.720 --> 00:20:10.440 these sort of situations. It's never just one phone call. 290 00:20:11.319 --> 00:20:14.440 Jason arrives back home and the police are called again, 291 00:20:15.359 --> 00:20:20.119 this time by David. According to Jason, David knew he 292 00:20:20.200 --> 00:20:24.119 had an outstanding warrant for an unrelated twenty fourteen incident 293 00:20:24.799 --> 00:20:28.799 in which she allegedly tried to murder his ex girlfriend 294 00:20:28.839 --> 00:20:36.759 with a hatchet. Yep, yeah yeah, So naturally, David was 295 00:20:36.839 --> 00:20:40.440 pissed that Jason called the cops on him, so to 296 00:20:40.480 --> 00:20:43.720 get back at him, he called the police in retaliation, 297 00:20:44.759 --> 00:20:48.440 like it's a fucking game. When police arrived for their 298 00:20:48.599 --> 00:20:52.680 second visit that day, Jamie was in much worse shape 299 00:20:52.759 --> 00:20:56.240 than she was before. She was in hysterics and had 300 00:20:56.240 --> 00:21:01.200 fresh marks on her face, neck, and arms. Jamie's injuries 301 00:21:01.240 --> 00:21:04.759 were photographed, and pictures were taken of each room of 302 00:21:04.759 --> 00:21:08.240 their home. Jason swore up and down that he never 303 00:21:08.319 --> 00:21:11.880 put his hands on Jamie, but when police took her aside, 304 00:21:11.960 --> 00:21:14.119 she told him that he was the one who had 305 00:21:14.160 --> 00:21:16.119 attacked her, not David. 306 00:21:16.559 --> 00:21:18.799 I don't touch her, you know. So she gave a 307 00:21:18.839 --> 00:21:22.319 statement saying you beat her. I guess, I don't know exactly. 308 00:21:23.000 --> 00:21:25.279 I was told that they both gave statements that I 309 00:21:25.359 --> 00:21:25.720 beat her. 310 00:21:26.759 --> 00:21:29.599 Now, I'm not a polygraph machine, but clearly someone here 311 00:21:29.720 --> 00:21:33.519 is lying. As a result of the bathtub incident, Jason 312 00:21:33.640 --> 00:21:35.640 was taken into custody. 313 00:21:35.599 --> 00:21:37.200 Only the rest of me. I've never seen her again. 314 00:21:38.480 --> 00:21:41.920 According to another witness, Jamie then left the home in 315 00:21:42.039 --> 00:21:44.559 Jason' z accurra and drove to a friend's house, where 316 00:21:44.599 --> 00:21:48.119 she spent the night. While there, she called her boyfriend 317 00:21:48.200 --> 00:21:53.160 in jail. Now here's where it gets confusing. On the 318 00:21:53.200 --> 00:21:56.440 recorded line, Jamie told her boyfriend what happened back at 319 00:21:56.440 --> 00:22:01.000 the house, but never mentioned Jason's name. Instead, she said 320 00:22:01.039 --> 00:22:03.039 that it was David who punched her in the face. 321 00:22:04.079 --> 00:22:07.079 So she told police one thing and then told her 322 00:22:07.119 --> 00:22:11.400 boyfriend something else. He said that David had hit her 323 00:22:11.480 --> 00:22:14.039 as hard as he could in the stomach and that 324 00:22:14.119 --> 00:22:18.440 he'd tried to kill her. Why Jamie provided contradicting statements 325 00:22:18.440 --> 00:22:22.880 to police and her boyfriend is unclear, but more than 326 00:22:23.000 --> 00:22:27.279 likely she was scared. During the jail house call, her 327 00:22:27.279 --> 00:22:30.440 boyfriend pleaded with her not to return to the Kenmore house. 328 00:22:31.319 --> 00:22:33.759 When she woke up at a friend's house the next morning, 329 00:22:33.799 --> 00:22:38.119 on June ninth, she called her boyfriend again. During that call, 330 00:22:38.359 --> 00:22:41.839 she told him she was going anyway and planned to 331 00:22:41.960 --> 00:22:46.839 kick David out for good. As for Jason, he wasn't 332 00:22:46.839 --> 00:22:50.920 being ruled out just yet. Perhaps his only benefit was 333 00:22:50.960 --> 00:22:56.119 that he was locked up hours before Jamie disappeared, and 334 00:22:56.200 --> 00:23:01.079 wasn't released until late June. He was also somewhat cooperative 335 00:23:01.279 --> 00:23:04.680 with police, and told detectives that David had mentioned his 336 00:23:04.720 --> 00:23:10.359 inability to pass a lie detector test. Weird, and Dave 337 00:23:10.400 --> 00:23:10.720 told you. 338 00:23:10.799 --> 00:23:12.559 He wasn't gonna pass a polygraph. 339 00:23:13.079 --> 00:23:18.559 Told investigators, then asked what was up with the hole 340 00:23:18.880 --> 00:23:19.680 in the backyard? 341 00:23:20.240 --> 00:23:22.400 How much of the backyard was dug out other than 342 00:23:22.440 --> 00:23:22.880 that hole? 343 00:23:23.240 --> 00:23:24.599 Look, okay, I dug. 344 00:23:26.559 --> 00:23:30.039 If that mountain front you told me about. What do 345 00:23:30.039 --> 00:23:30.680 you think about that? 346 00:23:30.720 --> 00:23:33.279 I have no idea where the dirt came from. He 347 00:23:33.319 --> 00:23:39.000 had no machines, and it's crazy. Yeah, I have no 348 00:23:39.039 --> 00:23:42.519 idea why why that's that was done? At the same 349 00:23:42.559 --> 00:23:44.000 time the bag was filled in. 350 00:23:45.480 --> 00:23:48.359 Jason elaborated that he dug the hole in an attempt 351 00:23:48.440 --> 00:23:52.160 to fix a broken septic, but when he returned home 352 00:23:52.160 --> 00:23:55.759 from jail, Jamie was gone and the hole had been 353 00:23:55.799 --> 00:23:56.240 filled in. 354 00:23:56.960 --> 00:24:00.880 Look under Look underneath the shed too, of the shed, 355 00:24:01.240 --> 00:24:02.960 looking under the shed too. For some reason, I don't know, 356 00:24:03.920 --> 00:24:06.079 has that come up in a conversation? And you know, 357 00:24:06.160 --> 00:24:10.799 if I heard something, nothing, But now it's not the 358 00:24:10.839 --> 00:24:14.240 time to say, oh nothing, Just right right. 359 00:24:14.400 --> 00:24:17.400 Might be nothing, but if you heard it doesn't mean 360 00:24:17.400 --> 00:24:19.400 that it's true. But you're living here. 361 00:24:20.480 --> 00:24:24.480 The day he was released, Jason said police were already 362 00:24:24.680 --> 00:24:28.160 at the house looking for Jamie. David and his girlfriend 363 00:24:28.160 --> 00:24:32.720 were there, who, Jason claimed, stole some rather interesting items 364 00:24:32.759 --> 00:24:34.039 that belonged to him. 365 00:24:34.519 --> 00:24:37.920 Got inside. All my stuff was gone pretty much. I 366 00:24:37.920 --> 00:24:40.000 mean I have my TV still, I have my video games. 367 00:24:40.039 --> 00:24:41.559 But what was missing? 368 00:24:42.160 --> 00:24:46.480 Okay, by DVR, I have a DVR for my security system. 369 00:24:46.799 --> 00:24:50.759 It's gone. All my camera's still there, but my DVR 370 00:24:50.839 --> 00:24:53.160 is gone. Have you heard what happened to you? Piss 371 00:24:53.279 --> 00:24:56.680 me off? My DVR is gone. All my clothes are gone. 372 00:24:57.160 --> 00:24:58.640 A bunch of my child. I mean, I know what 373 00:24:58.680 --> 00:24:59.880 he did since I was a jail. He went through 374 00:24:59.920 --> 00:25:03.240 my shit, took my shit and sold. Yeah, I made money. 375 00:25:03.279 --> 00:25:08.039 I am Nearly all of Jason's things were gone, not 376 00:25:08.119 --> 00:25:12.279 just his home security system, but his clothes, suitcase, and 377 00:25:12.359 --> 00:25:15.799 even his bed sheets were missing. After about an hour 378 00:25:15.839 --> 00:25:19.599 of speaking with him, Jason gave authorities consent to search 379 00:25:19.640 --> 00:25:24.440 the property. As for David, he had a checkered past 380 00:25:25.000 --> 00:25:28.160 of his own. The now forty two year old had 381 00:25:28.200 --> 00:25:31.079 been in and out of jail since he was a juvenile. 382 00:25:31.960 --> 00:25:35.000 Dating back to nineteen ninety five, David managed to rack 383 00:25:35.079 --> 00:25:40.680 up charges including grand theft, auto burglary, and many many 384 00:25:40.720 --> 00:25:44.759 more things. David's troubles with the law started to ramp 385 00:25:44.880 --> 00:25:50.000 up a year before Jamie disappeared. In twenty fifteen, David 386 00:25:50.039 --> 00:25:54.359 was arrested for unlawful possession of two firearms during a 387 00:25:54.359 --> 00:25:58.279 traffic stop. He was pulled over for driving a stolen vehicle. 388 00:25:59.200 --> 00:26:01.680 When police searched the car, they found a forty four 389 00:26:01.720 --> 00:26:06.400 magnum revolver and a pump action shotgun. As a result, 390 00:26:06.599 --> 00:26:10.319 he served twelve months in prison and was released around 391 00:26:10.319 --> 00:26:14.039 the time he moved into the Kenmore home. With that 392 00:26:14.160 --> 00:26:17.599 being said, there was much more evidence authorities had already 393 00:26:17.599 --> 00:26:22.000 obtained concerning the potential link between David and his sister 394 00:26:22.160 --> 00:26:28.920 Jamie's disappearance, information that investigators weren't willing to reveal until 395 00:26:28.960 --> 00:27:07.640 they got a chance to speak with David themselves. In 396 00:27:07.720 --> 00:27:11.880 early June of twenty sixteen, twenty seven year old Jamie 397 00:27:11.880 --> 00:27:16.920 Haggard mysteriously vanished from her home in Kenmore, Washington, when 398 00:27:16.920 --> 00:27:18.880 she failed to pick up her boyfriend from jail on 399 00:27:18.920 --> 00:27:24.359 Friday the tenth, phone calls and texts went unanswered. A 400 00:27:24.400 --> 00:27:27.319 week later, her father visited the home she shared with 401 00:27:27.400 --> 00:27:32.079