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Speaker 1: You. I'm now listening to soft core history.

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Speaker 2: Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to Sophomore History. I'm your

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host for the week. Damage Ester joined as always.

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Speaker 1: But Rob Fox, was this is the side part of

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the show or are you gonna or was that a

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pre show? Sigh?

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Speaker 2: That was a pre show? Okay, edited outside, Okay, I

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thought that was. I didn't know if we took one

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deep breath.

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Speaker 1: I didn't know if.

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Speaker 2: We're leading with a bit, if you like.

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Speaker 1: I was like, as soon as you sided, I was like, okay,

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we're going into something right away.

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Speaker 2: And I was just catch my breath.

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Speaker 1: Okay, because if.

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Speaker 2: You want to go low, I can go high. Today.

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Speaker 1: I had dinner.

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Speaker 2: I feel great and actually this is a very fun episode.

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Tell yeah, then we're both high energy.

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Speaker 1: I'm three Margerita's deep had I had a had dinner

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with Gabby and and and Courtney and the kids. Nice. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I was thinking it was more of like a JJ

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McCarthy before I hit the field, Okay, kind of just

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center myself, kind of meditate a bit and then get

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into it.

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Speaker 1: Well, let's hope it's Michigan JJ or Michigan JJ. Yeah. Yeah,

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that was just funny. I was like, sy, oh, okay,

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all right, all right, knocked in baby on my toes,

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on my toes.

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Speaker 2: And that's the kind of transparency you'll get nowhere else,

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nowhere else, peeling back the curtain for no reason.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for that, Rob, I didn't know. I thought it

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was part of it. No, I'd rather do that.

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Speaker 2: It's a fun and flirty episode.

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Speaker 1: I'd rather accidentally yes and something than ignore something I

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shouldn't have ignored.

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Speaker 2: Well, you ignore my jokes all the time. That's nothing new. No,

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you're just too high brow. He flies over my head. Yeah,

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that's what it is, old Danny Raggs, the highest brow

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and all the lan.

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Speaker 1: You do a strong brow.

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Speaker 2: I have good brows, I know. I said, do you

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have a strong brow? I'm just good and say it

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was I have good hair Look at this, Yeah you're flying.

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I mean I can't really afford haircuts right now. So

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but it's in a great spot. And then the beers

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looking good.

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Speaker 1: Maybe you can find like some Latino chick in your

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apartment complex will just buzz it for you. If worse

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comes to worse, I could.

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Speaker 2: Just buzz it myself or get shade a buzz it. Yeah,

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why does it have to be a Latina chick to

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I don't know.

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Speaker 1: They're good with it.

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Speaker 2: Fade me up and give me like an eggar. Yeah,

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they're good with hair. Yeah, but I don't want a

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buzzed head.

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Speaker 1: All right, fair enough. Also, it's fall, you don't need it,

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it's not summer. Just wear a lot of hats too,

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That's what I do. I got a full head of hair.

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Speaker 2: I'm looking forward to Beanie season.

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Speaker 1: Wait, oh February, Yeah, just for like two weeks.

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Speaker 2: Coming anyway, Welcome into softcore history. I'm excited for this episode.

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So last Friday on our Patreon Patreon dot com slash

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softcore History, Rob did a fantastic episode on I believe

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the nineteen seventeen incident between Texas A and M cadets and.

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Speaker 1: Rice students students. Yeah see Rice is a normal school. Yeah,

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so they're just called students, Okay, citizens, civilians, outlets, I

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don't know. Yeah, no, Rice students, Texas A and M fake.

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I will say this, if you want to, there are

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certain places you can go where you can see things

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that are so obviously and in some ways upsettingly from

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another time. One of them is the closest you will

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ever get to feeling like you are in the Jim

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Crow South. If you are so inclined to experience that

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which I was was is going to the Kentucky Derby,

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not in the infield. I mean, then you'll just you're

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all poor Jim Crow South. It doesn't matter, you're too

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poor for the laws to benefit you. But if you

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go to if you've got a good seat.

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Speaker 2: If you sit in there, I'm going to say it,

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this guy's I don't know if you got to come around.

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Speaker 1: Right, if you get in the boxes, it just feels

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like because a you're in the South, be everyone and

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seersucker and stuff like that. And see it's like there.

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will walk by you in an otherwise normalish setting smoking

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like a whole cigar or a cigarette or you know

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what I mean. Like it just it is of another time.

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a Texas A and M football game, where they will

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put on a full North Korean military parade as halftime

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show every week. I remember me and my Miszoo fan

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friends who were there for that game were watching just

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being like god damn it.

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Speaker 2: This place gets creepier and creepier and creepier. We covered

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a topic on Friday where they stole the Rice owl

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and they essentially just like turned college station into a

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military zone.

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Speaker 1: The Rice owl like mascot statue, not an actual owl, correct,

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which I.

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Speaker 2: Was really I don't know if I mentioned that.

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Speaker 1: I was really bummed about because at one point one

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of the first things I read was all that made

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it be act to Rice was the skin of the owl.

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Speaker 2: I was like, that's dark man, that was a real

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out For a minute, Peter wouldn't approve of that. I

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was like, the episode got a little less exciting for

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me when I found out what it really was.

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Speaker 1: It wasn't a real yeah, but it's still good.

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Speaker 2: I was like, what do you mean only the skin

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got back? Well, today's episode is not a specific incident,

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but rather a craze or a fad that popped off

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post World War Two. Oh, I know what this is about.

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Speaker 1: Then, Yes, he did it immortalized an animal house or

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Revenge of the Nerds.

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Speaker 2: I have a confession, Yeah, I've never seen an animal house.

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Speaker 1: Wow, I know, sad.

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Speaker 2: I used to write for a website called Total Frat

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Move You and I've never seen an animal house all

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the way through.

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Speaker 1: But I know you're not from a fatherless home, and

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that's such a dad movie.

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Speaker 2: My dad didn't go to college. It doesn't matter. That's well,

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he went to community college.

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Speaker 1: That's it's not about. It's not a college thing he

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went to. I think my dad was in a My

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dad wasn't in a frat like it was. It's about that.

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It's just of that era. It's like it's like they're

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super Bad or their forty year old virgin or something like.

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It is their peak, like formative comedy.

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Speaker 2: He was more of a Melbrooks boy.

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Speaker 1: Okay, I mean my dad like Melbrooks too. He loved

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Blazing Saddles stuff like that. But it just feels like

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such a dad watch.

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Speaker 2: Following the nineteen thirties Crazes of Goldfish swallowing, which I

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feel like that deserves its own episode.

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Speaker 1: Good Lord. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Flagpoles sit in what?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: That was a That was the thing. I guess in

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the thirties and forties you would climb a flagpole and

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just sit on it and create a way. I guess

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it was the original plankin.

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Speaker 1: I was gonna say, like all the Internet crazes of

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planking and what there's some other dumb ass ones that

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were even worse than that.

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Speaker 2: But uh Rob hates the ice bucket challenge, not new Yeah,

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the he really just hates everybody with als is the

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juice isn't worth the squeeze.

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Speaker 1: If that's how we have to cure als, I think

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we need to ask ourselves.

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Speaker 2: What are we doing? Yeah, you think Louke Garrick wants that?

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Absolutely not. No, Luke Gereck would be ashamed. He was

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a unit. Yeah, he doesn't care about that. He would

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know that actual cold water prevents you from gains. That's true,

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scientifically proven. All these dumb dums that are doing ice

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baths after their workouts, after they lift, just totally newter

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in all of your progress, freezing it literally literally freezing it,

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stupid and jam and as many people into a foam

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booth as possible. That's sweet.

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Speaker 1: I like that.

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Speaker 2: That's just funny. So those were the three, the big

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three back in the day. Goldfish, swallowing flagpoles, sit in

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and jamming people in the fun boast.

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Speaker 1: You know, I'll be honest. I think the goldfish in

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the phone booth, I think that persisted to the nineties.

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Speaker 2: Or even the late two thousands. I mean Jacob Believe

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swallowed goldfish or his friend did, Steve O did on

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Jackass and then puked it up to see if it

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was still alive. Yeah, that's just an old classic carnife

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trick yep, yep. And Steve's carney like literally the thing

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that took over college campuses and became the hot college

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Speaker 1: Yep, immortalized. Actually I don't know if it was in as.

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Speaker 2: I've never seen Revenge of the Nerds. Oh really, they don't.

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They won't play it anymore.

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Speaker 1: Why because there's an egregious rape scene that was Oh

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that's not good played off. Is not rape?

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Speaker 2: Hmmm, like a little switcheroo yep. Okay, so the guy

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the main nerd wasn't there a you know, small person

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comedian that confessed to doing something similar to that and

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it was on a podcast or a TV show and

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they're like, uh, please.

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Speaker 1: Stop, Yeah, no, it was uh I know that John

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Stamos said he did that once, that he like brought

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a chick home and he was like, but I felt

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bad for my buddy.

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Speaker 2: Thought she was so hot. So I took her home,

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turned out the lights, and all my buddies step in

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and like act like it was me. God. Yeah. Also

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the Nerds.

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Speaker 1: He like, the jock is like dating the hot cheerleader

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and they're from the cool jock frat, and the nerd

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puts on the jocks Halloween costume. It's like a Darth

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Vader costume. So he's wearing the mask. Uh, and he

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goes into this like it's like a Halloween full cosplay. Yeah,

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Halloween Carnival.

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Speaker 1: It's cosplay inception. You're cause playing within a cosplay.

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Speaker 2: It kind of cancels each other out. It's so many

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layers deep.

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Speaker 1: It's hard to say what the ethics are because that

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guy would have fucked her as Darth Vader. Yeah, and

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now he fucked her as him as Darth Vader.

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Speaker 2: Really no difference for her.

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Speaker 1: Who's to say?

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Speaker 2: But yeah, he accept everything, yeah except everything everything.

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Speaker 1: It's it's not great, but he fucks her, and he

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won't take the mask off and kiss he or anything.

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best sex she ever had.

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Speaker 2: And he pops the mask off and she's.

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Speaker 1: Like, oh wait, I had sex with you. She was

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it was so good, it was so good.

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Speaker 2: She forgave him. She immediately forgave.

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Speaker 1: Him for the trick and ru And uh, I gotta say,

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doesn't trade. I am mostly like, hey, let it go.

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Like like thirty Rock taking down the two episodes they

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randomly have blackface in that are like both making fun

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of blackface, but uh, that's dumb, and like South Park

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pulling the Charlie Kirk thing out of sensitive to whatever dumb.

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But this one, I gotta say fair enough.

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Speaker 2: I mean, if you have a copy of it, you

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Speaker 1: I will have to check if you can even buy

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it on Amazon. I am you could.

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Speaker 2: Probably go to Walmart, like a five dollars DVDs. You

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Walmart bin of DVDs and you'll probably find it. I

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four or five dollars movies.

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Speaker 1: The best the way those things depreciate. They make a

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car seem like real estate. Oh yeah, artist meeting Less

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and Fleeting.

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Speaker 2: I had such an incredible DVD collection in college. We Yeah,

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that was like a thing. I was like, Oh, he's

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the guy with the DVDs. I was the guy you

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would go to. He's got eternity, He's got every movie.

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Speaker 1: Now.

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Speaker 2: The first documented incident occurred on February twenty fifth, nineteen

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forty nine, at Augustana College in Rock Island, Illinois. Around

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one hundred and twenty men entered the women's storm late

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that night. The first group entered through the Heaton tunnels

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beneath the building. Once inside, they unlocked the door for

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the remaining raiders to enter. The light and phone lines

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were cut lock. A fire hose was set off to

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flood the hallway and silk any co eds that popped

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out though, Oh my god, so it really wasn't just

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a pannyway. It was also a wet nightgown competition. Yeah,

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this is they're.

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Speaker 1: Treating it classic Kaijing. They're treating it like bin Laden's complex.

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Cut the power, cut the.

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Speaker 2: Communications, get them panties.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: The men then entered their rooms flip beds, tables, waste baskets,

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and emptied the dresser drawers to take their prizes. Women

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started spraying large amounts of perfume on the attackers so

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they could be identified later. That's clever. Also get them

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in the eyes. It's not going to feel good.

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Speaker 1: No.

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Speaker 2: The house mother locked herself in a room and contacted

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the men's dean, whose car was compromised ahead of time,

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to prevent him from showing up while the madness all

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went down. So this is a this is a surgical strike.

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It literally is Seal Team six. Yeah, going in. The

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men made their escape after about fifteen minutes, gleefully throwing

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the bras and panties all over campus. The police and

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no pranksters were charged. The only physical injury resulting from

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this first panty raid was from a man who was

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hit over the head with a chair by one of

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the co e.

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Speaker 1: It's hell yeah, it's like the one chick on the

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It's like there's like I don't even know what she

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would be. She's like women's shot put. She's just like

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not today crushed is a guy, I will say. Obviously,

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the idea of panty raids is mostly childish and pervy,

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but it is actually a good prank to deprive someone

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solely of their underwear. Like that's a nightmare of the

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next day. The underpants nomes except I.

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Speaker 2: Don't need profit, I only need step one. Well we

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never figure out step two.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but I don't need either step one or step two.

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Just just the act itself is enough.

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Speaker 2: Though they didn't get in trouble, news traveled, made headlines

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in the Chicago Tribune, Time Magazine, and the New York Times,

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and suddenly a college craze began.

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Speaker 1: It's funny that that's like the mass media perpetuated this.

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Speaker 2: As they're one to do.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, school shootings, panty raids, they really want them the same,

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they give them ideas, right, I mean, school shootings wouldn't

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happen if Columbine didn't get reported.

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Speaker 2: On, didn't get covered. Yeah, blood is on the media's hands.

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The second incident occurred on March twenty first, nineteen fifty two,

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at the University of Michigan, and this is often cited

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as the incident that really set off.

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Speaker 1: The fat well a, You've got a power conference school.

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Now one of the coolest schools in the country as

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far as I'm concerned.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean the other school didn't play anybody.

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Speaker 1: Paul No, No, Michigan. That's just like Michigan's like.

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Speaker 2: A sweet school.

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Speaker 1: Like I love.

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Speaker 2: The University of Michigan and I have almost no connection

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to it. In an article titled Panny Raid in nineteen

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fifty two, James Tobin from the University of Michigan's Michigan

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Today describes the event. At about six thirty pm, Art Benford,

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a junior, finished dinner in the dining hall of West Quad.

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Oh wait, I should do this in like a mid

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Atlantic boys.

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Speaker 1: Right, fifties is it's kind of dying out by the fifties.

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But you do you baby, Okay.

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Speaker 2: He went to his room and Alan Rumsey House and

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picked up his trumpet, Benford said. Benford said later he

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only meant to relax by playing the little music, but

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his impromptu rendition of Glenn Miller's Serenade in Blue set

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off a chain of events that gave America a distinguished

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fat of the nineteen fifties.

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Speaker 1: The pantyred what was it.

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Speaker 2: Like the brown noise but for horny and stealing underwear.

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We're going ahead and do it all right. He's set

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in the scene, all right, These are the words of

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one James Tobin. Sounds like a noir It like opening

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in New Orleans, like we.

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Speaker 1: Open on sad but sweet trumpet music in the French Quarter,

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private or not Private Detective Dick Millard walks down Bourbon Street.

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Speaker 2: Benford soon found himself accompanied by a trombone player in

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the men's dorm. Across the street, two tubas chewing the concert.

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A stereo speaker blared from a window. Someone owned a

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portable foghorn. Calls of knock it off were soon followed

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by residents exiting both dorms. Notified of a disturbance. The

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ann Arbor police arrived to find six hundred men gathered

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on Madison Street shouting at one another, but the appearance

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of the officers turned the student's attention away from themselves

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and towards the police, who not wanted to provoke any

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further wisely retreated to their car. That's the least college

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police thing I've ever heard in my life. Outside, someone

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shouted words that would become a rallying cry for the

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next decade to the Hill, meaning to the much larger

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and then all women's dorms on Observatory in and.

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Speaker 1: Okay, on a hill, isiser is one would imagine.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, The crowd surged east on North University, first to Stockwell,

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then Master Jordan. At each they made incursions, ran upstairs

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and down corridors, then left. Women poured waste basket loads

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of water from the windows. By the time the men

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got to Alice Lloyd Hall, women residents had locked the

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front doors. This isn't a panny raid, this is a

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panty siege. It is a siege. Yeah, this apparently fueled

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the fire. The rowdies got in through side doors, raced

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upstairs and into women's rooms, and seized what the ann

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Arbor News called miscellaneous female unmentionables. Yeah, well that's what

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you gotta say, the Detroit News, less squeamish, said, the

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men took items of lingerie as souvenirs. By now it

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was nine pm, and for a moment the storm seemed

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to have spent itself. But then the million crowded men

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spotted a counter attack heading their way, a horde of

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women flooding into central campus from the hill. The women

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aim straight at the symbol of male privilege, the front

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door of the Union, which by tradition was never to

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be entered by an unaccompanied female. They surged through the Union,

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then into all male West Quad, where several quarters, caught

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unawares with their shorts on, were forced to scamper for safety.

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According to The Daily.

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Speaker 1: Oh hell yeah, it's a counter penny raid.

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Speaker 2: You gotta hit them back. Oh boy, we used to

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be a proper country. At South Quad, pandemonium broke loose,

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The Daily reported, while some men beckoned to the women,

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others formed a barrier at the front doors, but the

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screaming cowittes broke through In a moment. The lounge was cluttered.

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Hysterical staffman called for the order, like.

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Speaker 1: Please, for the love of God, get your vaginas out

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of here. This is a mail this is our safe space.

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It's a male only space.

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Speaker 2: They should have just had an orgy at this point. Yeah, truly, Like,

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just fuck, just get to it.

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Speaker 1: Just cream all over the Union.

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Speaker 2: I feel like most life back then, though, was one

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giant for a play session that never turned into anything.

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Speaker 1: No, no, no, no, no, Like I'm like, I just

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it's hard for me to imagine, Like, this is the fifties,

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so this would be when my parents were born and

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when my grandparents were done with college.

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Speaker 2: So like I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I just can't imagine a lot of banging. Feels like

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they just bang to have kids.

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Speaker 2: I think they banged.

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Speaker 1: I know they did, it's just.

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Speaker 2: You can't feel it. My children will know that man

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drills his wife once a month.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you let them know.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but I mean you had the leather jackets, slick

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back hair, greaser culture. Not on the campus, well probably not,

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but I'm sure there's some people that cause played the

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greasers as well.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, probably.

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Speaker 2: Here at last, authority was reasserted in the stern form

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of Deborah Bacon, Dean of Women, the enforcer of in

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loco parentis. Her appearance took the steam out of the

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women who left and walked home before curfew. Hundreds of

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men still gaming unrestricted by hours because we didn't have her. No, No,

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that's for ladies.

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Speaker 1: Spread out assaults. The moon makes the men straight. It's

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not safe for them to be out. When the moon

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is out.

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Speaker 2: The streets won't be filled with panties, will be filled

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with blood. Yeah, it's just safety. I've seen it happen

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at my school. Some went back. We'll get to your

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school later.

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Speaker 1: Oh hell yeah.

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Speaker 2: Some went back to the hill where Alice Lloyd, a

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resident had mounted a flashing red light in her window.

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Some to Martha Cook, where President Harlan Hatcher, venturing out

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of his house across the street, told the boys to

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go home, without much effect, Some back to Betsy Barber,

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where they were repelled by residents within a fire hose

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at the window.

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Speaker 1: Chuck Elliott, like, one of the ones off the wall.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a lot of just fire hoses available at

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that time. Well, people forget there are a lot more

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fires back then.

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Speaker 1: I feel like buildings burning down used to be a much,

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much bigger thing.

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Speaker 2: Every apartment has an extinguisher. I have an extinguisher.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Your house that you're renting now probably has an extinguisher.

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That one does our the house we owned never did. Well,

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you're the owner that. Yeah, I never never got one.

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Speaker 1: I was like, it's fine, yeah, but when you rend Yeah,

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that's that's not my problem with someone else's problem.

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Speaker 2: Chuck Elliott, a daily editor, detected a dark edge to

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the reverie. The earlier funny stage is slowly changing as

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the night went on. Well, that'll happen, I assume into

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unpleasant demonstrations of near viciousness. I assume they weren't the

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soberest crowd. Probably some pints of liquor. A lot of

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this stuff was done without alcohol. I don't even understand

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how you could pull that off sober, Like within ten minutes,

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I would be like, what are we doing? I don't know,

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should we drink instead, or like, drink and then do it.

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But then you never do the panty rate because you're

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too drunk and you're like, eh, I'm good.

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Speaker 1: Panty ray just seems like an idea that happens after

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twelve beers. Yeah. Not.

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Speaker 2: You're bored with your homework, so you start playing a trumpet.

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Speaker 1: It's a Tuesday night, and the trumpet music gets you

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riled up.

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Speaker 2: Hey, I was playing that trumpet over there. Yeah, six

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hundred dudes just meeting because it's like an impromptu concert

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starts in a dorm.

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Speaker 1: And it almost starts a brawl, and then they were like, hey,

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but then they turn on the point. Boys boys, boys, boys, boys, boys,

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let's take this out on the women.

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Speaker 2: At about one am, it started to rain and it

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was over, but only for the night. The mass riot,

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as the Daily called it, drew a good deal of

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news coverage, even making the national newspapers. Within weeks, copycat

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episodes sprang up on other campuses in a national panny

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raid craze ensued.

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Speaker 1: I'm telling you, if if I heard about something that

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happened at Augustana, Augustina College, whatever, I'd be like, Oh,

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those guys are weirdos. But if I heard something happen

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at Michigan, I'd be like, Oh, they're cooler than us, actually,

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so let's do that and be just as cool as

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they are.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's the big house right there, baby, Yeah, a

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hundred percent. The spontaneous swiping of women's underwear that night

469
00:24:03,079 --> 00:24:07,079
Alice Lloyd became a standard planned practice that went on

470
00:24:07,160 --> 00:24:10,799
for ten years, the ritual seeking of trophies by men

471
00:24:10,880 --> 00:24:14,799
raiding women's dormitories and sororities. Although the term panty raid

472
00:24:14,799 --> 00:24:20,400
apparently have been used earlier, it was Michigan's riots that

473
00:24:20,480 --> 00:24:25,519
inspired the national fad. On April eighth, nineteen fifty two,

474
00:24:26,039 --> 00:24:30,480
two thousand men, good lord, that's an army rated the

475
00:24:30,599 --> 00:24:34,640
women's dormitories at Penn State while the women cheered and

476
00:24:34,680 --> 00:24:36,799
through underwear from the windows to the crowd below.

477
00:24:36,920 --> 00:24:39,000
Speaker 1: Oh so it's more like a Marty Grass situation. It

478
00:24:39,039 --> 00:24:42,079
seems that way, Penn State's always been comfortable with uh

479
00:24:44,039 --> 00:24:49,720
acts of expression that other people would find troubling.

480
00:24:50,160 --> 00:24:54,839
Speaker 2: What are you talking about? Just other stuff?

481
00:24:55,359 --> 00:24:59,240
Speaker 1: Okay, By the way, so far we've done a school

482
00:24:59,240 --> 00:25:01,960
no one cares about and two Big ten schools, which

483
00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:04,000
is well in line with the Big Ten being in

484
00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:05,279
the Conference of Sex Crimes.

485
00:25:06,440 --> 00:25:09,680
Speaker 2: We're about to get to you, buddy, don't you worry

486
00:25:12,319 --> 00:25:14,440
by the end of nineteen fifty two. And also, we

487
00:25:14,480 --> 00:25:17,440
can't get to my school because it didn't exist. Yeah

488
00:25:17,880 --> 00:25:19,839
at this point, when.

489
00:25:19,720 --> 00:25:21,200
Speaker 1: Did your school founded? The sixties?

490
00:25:21,359 --> 00:25:23,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was like sixty four.

491
00:25:23,359 --> 00:25:27,319
Speaker 1: Okay, My school sixty three had existed for almost one

492
00:25:27,400 --> 00:25:29,759
hundred and thirty years when your school was founded. Yeah,

493
00:25:29,880 --> 00:25:32,960
we're pre Civil war. Baby, it's cool, dud, which is

494
00:25:33,039 --> 00:25:35,440
cool until you realize who built the buildings.

495
00:25:35,759 --> 00:25:42,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, we don't have that problem, budd. I'm an unproblematic institution.

496
00:25:44,279 --> 00:25:47,680
Although Georgia O'Leary killed a kid, but well it's just one,

497
00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:52,400
just one. By the end of the nineteen fifty two

498
00:25:52,440 --> 00:25:55,119
spring term, the Panni raid epidemic had spread to fifty

499
00:25:55,200 --> 00:25:59,519
two campuses across the country. More than two thousand men

500
00:25:59,559 --> 00:26:02,920
at the Universe Versity of Missouri marched and saying their

501
00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:06,359
way to Sorority Row, the third target of a penny

502
00:26:06,440 --> 00:26:07,240
raid that evening.

503
00:26:08,039 --> 00:26:11,240
Speaker 1: So hmm, that's interesting because there wouldn't be a I

504
00:26:11,279 --> 00:26:13,039
assume the paper called it a sorority row.

505
00:26:13,960 --> 00:26:16,480
Speaker 2: I guess, yeah, or whatever, because the way it's set

506
00:26:16,559 --> 00:26:20,759
up at Missou is we don't need the inside baseball.

507
00:26:20,799 --> 00:26:24,200
Speaker 1: So here's the geography of the University of Missouri. All

508
00:26:24,240 --> 00:26:26,519
the sororities and ratios are. It's it's just called greek town.

509
00:26:26,559 --> 00:26:28,680
There is a frat row and college aff but yeah,

510
00:26:28,720 --> 00:26:30,720
they're all right right next to each other. It's like

511
00:26:31,079 --> 00:26:33,319
my praternity house was between two sorority houses.

512
00:26:33,559 --> 00:26:36,440
Speaker 2: The police chief of the town of Columbia realizes twenty

513
00:26:36,440 --> 00:26:41,599
two man force needed assistance. Near midnight, Missouri Governor Forrest

514
00:26:41,640 --> 00:26:46,839
Smith was awoken, told of the situation, and authorized the

515
00:26:46,920 --> 00:26:48,200
use of the National Guard.

516
00:26:48,240 --> 00:26:50,720
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, so they had to wire up to jeff City,

517
00:26:50,759 --> 00:26:54,680
which is about forty minutes away from Columbia. Mike God,

518
00:26:55,079 --> 00:26:58,039
there's two thousand hony boys up here, said in the

519
00:26:58,119 --> 00:27:02,519
National Guard. They're like governor gets woken up in the Honestly,

520
00:27:02,559 --> 00:27:04,079
I assume the governor got woken up the middle of

521
00:27:04,079 --> 00:27:07,319
the night, heard what was happening and was just so

522
00:27:07,519 --> 00:27:10,240
angry that he got that phone, that phone call to

523
00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:13,519
wake them up. It was just like just sending arm men.

524
00:27:13,720 --> 00:27:17,160
Fuck these kids, fuck them, fuck them to death.

525
00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:19,480
Speaker 2: I feel like we send in the National Guard for

526
00:27:19,599 --> 00:27:20,920
more things than we care to admit.

527
00:27:21,119 --> 00:27:23,839
Speaker 1: Actually, fun fact, the National Guard has been deployed to

528
00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:27,640
universities more than anywhere else. That's what I made that up.

529
00:27:27,640 --> 00:27:31,319
Speaker 2: But by the time the National Guard finally got to

530
00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:35,599
the campus, the boys had scattered and crisis was averted.

531
00:27:36,799 --> 00:27:40,079
Speaker 1: Damn they heard them, they heard they were coming, so

532
00:27:40,119 --> 00:27:43,160
they scrammed. Did they get any panties?

533
00:27:43,559 --> 00:27:45,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, they got plenty of. Okay, good, good, good good,

534
00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:48,039
But you gotta stop one. I mean they're not stopping.

535
00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:51,880
They're not doing pre crime here. They're not calling the

536
00:27:51,920 --> 00:27:54,000
National Guard because they heard about the panny.

537
00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:56,000
Speaker 1: Right, It's just the panty raids are on going. There

538
00:27:56,039 --> 00:27:57,960
really is nowhere to hide in Greek Down. If you're

539
00:27:57,960 --> 00:28:00,319
a sorority house, I mean you're literally just surround did

540
00:28:00,359 --> 00:28:01,759
by your enemy for that night.

541
00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:03,039
Speaker 2: Are you saying they're asking for it?

542
00:28:03,799 --> 00:28:08,519
Speaker 1: I'm saying when you live in that neighborhood, you have

543
00:28:08,599 --> 00:28:13,440
to understand what that neighborhood is. Okay, I would have

544
00:28:13,480 --> 00:28:15,440
been for what it's worth, if I had done if

545
00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:17,119
me and my guys from my house had done a

546
00:28:17,160 --> 00:28:19,759
penny raid in two thousand and six, it expelled immediately.

547
00:28:21,799 --> 00:28:24,279
Speaker 2: Dude, we weren't allowed to paint ourselves purple for Fiji

548
00:28:24,319 --> 00:28:28,519
islander anymore, for purple face. Yeah, I don't know.

549
00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:29,920
Speaker 1: They said it was too dark.

550
00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:34,880
Speaker 2: I guess in you know, the light of night, it

551
00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:36,359
may be taken the wrong way.

552
00:28:36,559 --> 00:28:37,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, if you're not.

553
00:28:37,720 --> 00:28:40,000
Speaker 2: Although they were trying to say it was like offensive

554
00:28:40,039 --> 00:28:45,119
to Fiji natives, Fijians, Fijians.

555
00:28:44,839 --> 00:28:48,039
Speaker 1: Who notably do not paint themselves purple. Yeah, was that

556
00:28:48,039 --> 00:28:49,759
the whole but you was it even be like, oh,

557
00:28:49,799 --> 00:28:50,799
I'm looking Fijian.

558
00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:52,960
Speaker 2: No, you're doing it because it's like that's my colors.

559
00:28:53,839 --> 00:28:54,079
Speaker 1: Yeah.

560
00:28:54,079 --> 00:28:54,960
Speaker 2: Who am I gonna upset?

561
00:28:55,079 --> 00:28:55,319
Speaker 1: VJ.

562
00:28:55,559 --> 00:29:03,680
Speaker 2: Singh? Sure? I mean he probably lives in Florida almost

563
00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:04,960
certainly most golfers do.

564
00:29:05,119 --> 00:29:07,480
Speaker 1: I mean Rory does. Yeah.

565
00:29:07,519 --> 00:29:10,400
Speaker 2: Well, the actions of the men received most of the attention.

566
00:29:10,759 --> 00:29:14,720
In almost all cases of the panny raids, women assisted.

567
00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:17,880
They unlocked the doors to the dorms and sorority houses

568
00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:21,960
cheered from upstairs windows and sometimes defended. There would be

569
00:29:22,079 --> 00:29:23,079
raiders from the police.

570
00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:28,599
Speaker 1: At some point it just becomes like kfe just becomes

571
00:29:28,599 --> 00:29:30,359
like a funny thing, you know what I mean, like

572
00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:32,240
fake almost.

573
00:29:31,640 --> 00:29:33,200
Speaker 2: Where it's like college is fake.

574
00:29:33,279 --> 00:29:37,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, So this would happen actually two with

575
00:29:38,039 --> 00:29:43,160
composite stealing right when girls would do it. Yeah, there

576
00:29:43,160 --> 00:29:46,119
were two types of composite thefts. And if you don't

577
00:29:46,119 --> 00:29:48,759
know what a composite is in a fraternity house, it's

578
00:29:48,839 --> 00:29:51,680
just you're like a big framed yearbook for the years.

579
00:29:51,799 --> 00:29:54,559
Speaker 2: It's all the photos of everyone in the fraternity for

580
00:29:54,599 --> 00:29:57,880
that year and they run about three grand. So by

581
00:29:57,960 --> 00:29:59,880
stealing one, it's actually grand theft.

582
00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:03,279
Speaker 1: It is a felony, I believe. Yeah, And like the

583
00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:06,160
exact board is listed like the president and everyone has

584
00:30:06,279 --> 00:30:07,920
noted who they are, and then everyone.

585
00:30:07,640 --> 00:30:09,759
Speaker 2: Else is just there. It's a pretty sweetheart sometimes on it.

586
00:30:09,920 --> 00:30:12,279
Yeah yeah, house dog, house, house dad.

587
00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:12,759
Speaker 1: Whatever.

588
00:30:13,640 --> 00:30:15,200
Speaker 2: Anyway, there would there would be two types.

589
00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:18,079
Speaker 1: There would be one which was almost like the formal

590
00:30:18,119 --> 00:30:21,839
composite theft, like if someone was pairing with you for

591
00:30:22,079 --> 00:30:24,799
or according you for Greek Week or homecoming, they would

592
00:30:24,799 --> 00:30:27,599
come in and steal your composite. They'd be like, we're

593
00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:30,000
just here and you knew why they were there, and

594
00:30:30,079 --> 00:30:32,160
they would run. They would take a composite and leave,

595
00:30:32,200 --> 00:30:35,440
and they it would come back like decorate like foe

596
00:30:35,519 --> 00:30:39,039
decorated where they would be like captions, like making fun

597
00:30:39,079 --> 00:30:43,039
of everyone and like candy or little middle like voice

598
00:30:43,240 --> 00:30:46,519
blurbs yeah yeah yeah, and like little mini liquor bottles

599
00:30:46,559 --> 00:30:48,799
like tape to it and stuff like that. And then

600
00:30:48,799 --> 00:30:51,440
there was the other ones, which was the girls would

601
00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:53,599
actually bust in and just straight up steal it for

602
00:30:53,920 --> 00:30:54,799
shits and gigs.

603
00:30:55,680 --> 00:31:01,119
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, although women in college, hat theft twas more

604
00:31:01,119 --> 00:31:03,000
of a big thing at least that you.

605
00:31:03,039 --> 00:31:07,680
Speaker 1: See it, but that's that's personal crime. Hat theft, hoodie theft. Uh.

606
00:31:07,839 --> 00:31:09,960
Speaker 2: They would take it right off your head though, Frat

607
00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:13,480
shirt theft. Oh, I had lost so many hats just

608
00:31:13,640 --> 00:31:15,400
right off my dome. I would have I would have

609
00:31:15,839 --> 00:31:17,640
never talked to the women either. They would just take

610
00:31:17,680 --> 00:31:20,720
my hat. Yeah, they liked it, I guess, and just

611
00:31:21,039 --> 00:31:22,319
if I ever saw them again.

612
00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:26,680
Speaker 1: I mean, if you're rocking a citronat hat, got you got,

613
00:31:26,759 --> 00:31:28,039
you gotta fucking take it, dude.

614
00:31:28,039 --> 00:31:29,839
Speaker 2: If somebody stole the shirt from me right now, I

615
00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:32,000
would maybe fight them.

616
00:31:32,079 --> 00:31:34,920
Speaker 1: That is actually a trophy that people would do. That

617
00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:37,920
girls would do in particular as well, which is like

618
00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:39,759
if they hooked up with a guy, they would want.

619
00:31:39,599 --> 00:31:42,160
Speaker 2: A T shirt to wear home, and they would request letters.

620
00:31:42,359 --> 00:31:45,279
I don't know if anybody was doing that. That was

621
00:31:45,279 --> 00:31:46,640
the thing at least with my fraternity. That was the

622
00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:48,400
thing at Missouri. It was the thing at.

623
00:31:48,359 --> 00:31:51,039
Speaker 1: Ut Nobody wanted to proudly rock FIJI letters.

624
00:31:51,599 --> 00:31:54,759
Speaker 2: A ton that wanted to proudly rock letters. But you

625
00:31:54,839 --> 00:31:55,519
know what, some did.

626
00:31:56,079 --> 00:31:57,920
Speaker 1: We were bottom tier boys. Some did.

627
00:31:59,119 --> 00:32:01,880
Speaker 2: It's all good. We had fun, it's a little matters,

628
00:32:02,079 --> 00:32:05,920
played video games and friends. Sometimes guys would play Magic

629
00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:08,119
the Gathering in one of the apartments. I would get

630
00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:10,960
really mad on a Friday, I would I would go.

631
00:32:11,599 --> 00:32:14,119
I would get so annoying, like people are coming over,

632
00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:15,400
please clean this up.

633
00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:18,279
Speaker 1: I There were there were nights where.

634
00:32:18,359 --> 00:32:20,759
Speaker 2: I played D and D two and like Magic the

635
00:32:20,799 --> 00:32:24,000
Gathering is just a bridge too far, just much gear. Uh.

636
00:32:24,759 --> 00:32:30,000
Speaker 1: There was a time my like second to last year,

637
00:32:30,119 --> 00:32:33,960
my fourth year out of five, where we lived in

638
00:32:34,079 --> 00:32:37,000
off campus, like our fraternity had three houses in a

639
00:32:37,079 --> 00:32:38,960
row aside from our fraternity house three house in a

640
00:32:39,039 --> 00:32:42,000
row off campus where we're all like eight twelve guys

641
00:32:42,039 --> 00:32:44,160
like lived right next to each other. And I remember

642
00:32:44,200 --> 00:32:47,640
going over to that to one of the houses where

643
00:32:47,640 --> 00:32:49,240
I had like friends who I wanted to go out

644
00:32:49,279 --> 00:32:52,359
with for like weeks in a row on like Thursday

645
00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:55,000
and Friday night. I mean like, hey, are you guys

646
00:32:55,039 --> 00:32:56,640
going to Harpo's, Like, come out suit, let's do Big

647
00:32:56,640 --> 00:33:00,200
twelve like whatever, And they would be high and I'd

648
00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:04,000
be like, no, dude, we're playing Settlers of Katan.

649
00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:07,839
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's even worse loud.

650
00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:11,839
Speaker 1: I was like, I will flip this fucking table over.

651
00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:13,240
I actually got.

652
00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:15,920
Speaker 2: COVID for the first time when I played Settlers of Katan.

653
00:33:16,079 --> 00:33:16,680
Speaker 1: No, you didn't.

654
00:33:17,759 --> 00:33:20,000
Speaker 2: That was just a disease that Settlers of Katan. That's

655
00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:22,680
what I'm saying, Literally, get I got diseased. I got

656
00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:24,039
COVID from the game.

657
00:33:24,160 --> 00:33:27,960
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, I COVID is from its own thing.

658
00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:31,000
I think the game made you ill. It gave its

659
00:33:31,039 --> 00:33:34,839
own sort of just universal true alarmic illness.

660
00:33:35,039 --> 00:33:38,440
Speaker 2: I lost my ability to taste things, which comes with

661
00:33:38,519 --> 00:33:39,079
playing the game.

662
00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:41,519
Speaker 1: You have no taste if you play Sellers of Katan.

663
00:33:42,680 --> 00:33:47,359
So it checks out the way. I fucking hate that

664
00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:49,839
game and all of my hate started from that. Were

665
00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:52,279
like in college, and then one of the guys was like,

666
00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:54,759
I don't even care about good out. I got a girlfriend,

667
00:33:54,839 --> 00:33:58,480
like maybe talk to Jake, and I'd be like I

668
00:33:58,519 --> 00:34:02,720
would just like pop puck, plectic, like like just furious,

669
00:34:02,799 --> 00:34:03,720
just want like.

670
00:34:03,720 --> 00:34:05,920
Speaker 2: You needed your trumpet so you get the boys rallied.

671
00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:08,079
Speaker 1: Oh my god, dude, yeah, I should have sat outside

672
00:34:08,079 --> 00:34:11,519
and played a trumpet. That shit drove me fucking insane.

673
00:34:11,639 --> 00:34:13,559
And it was introduced to them. There was one guy

674
00:34:13,559 --> 00:34:15,280
who lived in the house who wasn't in the fraternity,

675
00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:16,599
and it was like just some stoner kid who was

676
00:34:16,599 --> 00:34:18,639
super nice, but he was just I think his name

677
00:34:18,639 --> 00:34:21,159
was like Gareth or something horrible like that, and I

678
00:34:21,199 --> 00:34:23,320
and he just was like, dude, my for like this

679
00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:25,199
gape of Settlers? Do you want to play it? And

680
00:34:25,239 --> 00:34:27,840
they started playing it like a Tuesday and just got obsessed.

681
00:34:28,239 --> 00:34:34,119
And I was like, you are ruining your lives, You're

682
00:34:34,159 --> 00:34:37,559
wasting away, you will never get this time back.

683
00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:42,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, what are you doing? We would occasionally play like

684
00:34:42,679 --> 00:34:46,920
Cards against Humanity, but that brought in women and other

685
00:34:46,960 --> 00:34:49,480
people like it was a giant group that would play

686
00:34:49,519 --> 00:34:52,000
the game. I also I was an anti beer pong

687
00:34:52,159 --> 00:34:54,119
because of the same reasons. It's like, oh cool, you've

688
00:34:54,159 --> 00:34:57,119
been a table all party in the one.

689
00:34:56,960 --> 00:34:59,679
Speaker 1: Table down dude of Tato single chick hole moth.

690
00:34:59,719 --> 00:35:01,519
Speaker 2: It's like, please clear off the table. We can play

691
00:35:01,519 --> 00:35:05,760
flip cup here. Have there like entire party involved, let's

692
00:35:05,800 --> 00:35:08,360
get I just want more people than four people there is.

693
00:35:10,440 --> 00:35:12,360
Speaker 1: It's fine to have a beer pong table or two,

694
00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:14,800
but it can't be like twenty beer pong table. You

695
00:35:14,840 --> 00:35:17,079
can't be there all night. No, you don't want to

696
00:35:17,119 --> 00:35:18,159
be No.

697
00:35:18,800 --> 00:35:20,760
Speaker 2: I actually got into a run one time where I'm

698
00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:24,480
just like, please beat us. I want to leave.

699
00:35:24,519 --> 00:35:26,000
Speaker 1: I mean, there's a certain amount of pride, Like I

700
00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:27,719
took pride in winning beer pong, but I didn't want

701
00:35:27,719 --> 00:35:29,039
to be on it till like one in the morning.

702
00:35:29,519 --> 00:35:35,239
Speaker 2: No. No, it's a nightmare. When six hundred men at

703
00:35:35,239 --> 00:35:39,119
Columbia University besieged the residence hall of the all female

704
00:35:39,159 --> 00:35:42,320
Bernard College next door, no, we're going to ivy. Hundreds

705
00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:45,880
of co eds waved undies from their windows and tossed

706
00:35:46,039 --> 00:35:50,880
water filled bags as Columbia males fought with the police.

707
00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:54,119
Speaker 1: Who were they throwing about the males of the police.

708
00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:54,760
Speaker 2: Both.

709
00:35:55,760 --> 00:35:59,960
Speaker 1: Look, it's one thing for nineteen fifties or sixties, Miss

710
00:36:00,079 --> 00:36:03,800
Zoo or whatever in your podunk little college town for

711
00:36:03,920 --> 00:36:09,239
that police department to not be able to handle two

712
00:36:09,239 --> 00:36:15,000
thousand college kids. How the NYPD was not able to

713
00:36:15,199 --> 00:36:19,320
round up a bunch of soft hands ivy leaguers.

714
00:36:19,360 --> 00:36:23,360
Speaker 2: At the University of Texas only days after, Dean of

715
00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:28,800
Women Dorothy Gerber declared, I'm sure our boys are too

716
00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:32,519
much of gentlemen to indulge in such annex the campus

717
00:36:32,559 --> 00:36:34,960
experience its first bout of panny red fever.

718
00:36:35,199 --> 00:36:38,480
Speaker 1: She dared them, is the problem. Essentially, she willed it in.

719
00:36:38,719 --> 00:36:42,199
Speaker 2: She's like, our boys are too good for this, but

720
00:36:42,239 --> 00:36:44,159
we check it out there. Not how the guys took

721
00:36:44,199 --> 00:36:48,000
it was what she said, we're soft. You won't pussies.

722
00:36:48,079 --> 00:36:50,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, you won't. She said you won't.

723
00:36:50,719 --> 00:36:53,440
Speaker 2: And they said you can get any guy our age

724
00:36:53,440 --> 00:36:54,559
to do anything if you just say you.

725
00:36:54,559 --> 00:36:58,360
Speaker 1: Won't you won't, because what you won't means is you

726
00:36:58,440 --> 00:37:01,119
can't and just no balls.

727
00:37:01,239 --> 00:37:09,159
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's the order. It's you won't, you won't again,

728
00:37:10,639 --> 00:37:15,719
no balls three of thirds, I think is what it's

729
00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:19,360
called the rule threes. It's really uh whatever your your

730
00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:23,039
communications teacher taught, however, yeah, whatever you prefer. You know

731
00:37:23,039 --> 00:37:26,719
who my communication teacher was. Who is your communications teacher,

732
00:37:26,840 --> 00:37:31,920
Melissa Click? That's a deep cut for people at home,

733
00:37:33,239 --> 00:37:37,199
Melissa motherfucking Click, which is one of them.

734
00:37:37,239 --> 00:37:40,079
Speaker 1: I had a lot, but I did have the woman

735
00:37:40,119 --> 00:37:43,280
who famously got fired from Miszoo during the BLM protest.

736
00:37:43,360 --> 00:37:46,000
Speaker 2: She single heartedly created woke. I think, yeah, I think

737
00:37:46,039 --> 00:37:50,239
she is the most responsible person. Yeah for whatever just happened. Well,

738
00:37:50,239 --> 00:37:55,079
it doesn't help her that her name is so memorable. Yeah,

739
00:37:55,199 --> 00:37:58,639
I need some muscle over here. Yeah, just bullying an

740
00:37:58,679 --> 00:38:01,639
Asian journalist, No journalists. Do you know who it was?

741
00:38:01,719 --> 00:38:03,679
Speaker 1: It was a It was an Asian kid. No, it

742
00:38:03,719 --> 00:38:05,960
wasn't it was it was it was It was a

743
00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:09,559
couple because one of them I follows me on Twitter

744
00:38:09,599 --> 00:38:12,239
and is now trans Oh sweet, And she was like,

745
00:38:12,599 --> 00:38:13,960
I need to want to kick the shit out of

746
00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:14,719
these guys.

747
00:38:16,119 --> 00:38:20,239
Speaker 2: On the evening of Thursday, May twenty second, nineteen fifty two,

748
00:38:21,360 --> 00:38:25,119
several hundred Texas students attempted a raid, but were fought

749
00:38:25,320 --> 00:38:29,000
off by a coalition of Austin and the university police.

750
00:38:29,840 --> 00:38:34,239
University of Texas football players recruited as bouncers and the

751
00:38:34,360 --> 00:38:40,079
sprinkler system in front of Scottish Right dormitory. So Texas

752
00:38:40,079 --> 00:38:43,199
tried to do a panny raid and immediately bitched out.

753
00:38:43,400 --> 00:38:45,159
Speaker 1: The football team fought them off.

754
00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:49,440
Speaker 2: The police recruited the football team to help them just

755
00:38:49,519 --> 00:38:52,760
kind of corral their own guys. Okay, well, you're not

756
00:38:52,760 --> 00:38:55,519
gonna fuck with those guys. In most panny raids, the

757
00:38:55,599 --> 00:38:57,840
men were welcome by the women residents, but in a

758
00:38:57,880 --> 00:39:02,800
few instances the raids turns some violent Jesus. At the

759
00:39:02,880 --> 00:39:07,199
University of Washington, raiders broke windows in the dorm rooms, enchanted.

760
00:39:07,719 --> 00:39:13,000
We want pennies, We want pennies, We want pennies, We

761
00:39:13,039 --> 00:39:17,039
want pennies. That many times though, that many times. Yeah,

762
00:39:17,039 --> 00:39:18,400
I was waiting for Chase to get out for him

763
00:39:18,400 --> 00:39:21,400
for you, oh fair enough. Yeah, he was just trying

764
00:39:21,440 --> 00:39:21,760
to get in.

765
00:39:21,800 --> 00:39:22,320
Speaker 1: A shot back.

766
00:39:22,519 --> 00:39:24,400
Speaker 2: I think the dog. I think dog on camera helps

767
00:39:24,400 --> 00:39:27,039
if anything. He's not framed right though. He just saw

768
00:39:27,199 --> 00:39:30,039
dog gass. Fair enough, he would have just saw dog gas.

769
00:39:30,559 --> 00:39:32,159
But yeah, he was taking the sweet time. He's an

770
00:39:32,159 --> 00:39:32,960
old man, he is.

771
00:39:33,079 --> 00:39:38,280
Speaker 1: It feels uh miraculous that these things didn't turn not

772
00:39:38,480 --> 00:39:40,880
violent like a lady's getting punched in the face or

773
00:39:40,880 --> 00:39:42,320
something like that, but or like worse.

774
00:39:42,760 --> 00:39:47,559
Speaker 2: But uh that there just wasn't more property damage. Yeah,

775
00:39:47,559 --> 00:39:49,679
there were some incidents where like ten thousand dollars worth

776
00:39:49,679 --> 00:39:52,840
of damage was done. What's ten thousand dollars today?

777
00:39:53,320 --> 00:39:55,800
Speaker 1: I know, so a lot. Yeah.

778
00:39:56,079 --> 00:39:59,280
Speaker 2: Many saw it as innocent fun, but some did not,

779
00:39:59,480 --> 00:40:03,719
including one Sergeant Carlton Rutledge of the US Army I

780
00:40:03,800 --> 00:40:07,760
then participant in the American military action in Korea, who

781
00:40:07,880 --> 00:40:09,480
strongly opposed this fad.

782
00:40:10,239 --> 00:40:11,320
Speaker 1: Was he in school?

783
00:40:12,280 --> 00:40:14,119
Speaker 2: No, he was literally in the army.

784
00:40:14,440 --> 00:40:15,239
Speaker 1: I know what it was like.

785
00:40:15,480 --> 00:40:17,440
Speaker 2: Did it was like in college after the GI Bill

786
00:40:17,519 --> 00:40:17,920
or something?

787
00:40:18,039 --> 00:40:24,440
Speaker 1: No, he just read about it. Oh fuck off, dude, Sorry,

788
00:40:24,440 --> 00:40:26,360
I was. I was confused because I was like, why

789
00:40:26,360 --> 00:40:31,360
would someone in Korea give a single fuck?

790
00:40:31,800 --> 00:40:35,920
Speaker 2: Well, I'm gonna get to it all right, Be patient, baby,

791
00:40:36,360 --> 00:40:37,320
let me feed your baby.

792
00:40:37,519 --> 00:40:41,159
Speaker 1: In my commentary.

793
00:40:41,480 --> 00:40:43,719
Speaker 2: In a letter to the editor published in The New

794
00:40:43,800 --> 00:40:47,360
York Times, Rutledge said, what kind of young men are

795
00:40:47,400 --> 00:40:50,079
growing up in our country? The leading nation in the

796
00:40:50,119 --> 00:40:55,079
world stand in for democracy, civilization, and refinement. It was

797
00:40:55,079 --> 00:40:58,400
only a year or two ago that the papers back

798
00:40:58,440 --> 00:41:01,320
home were full of discussion on how to exempt these

799
00:41:01,360 --> 00:41:04,360
young morons from the draft so they might continue their

800
00:41:04,480 --> 00:41:08,159
education and become better men for our country. My opinion

801
00:41:08,519 --> 00:41:12,039
is that such young whelps be drafted at once, given

802
00:41:12,079 --> 00:41:14,440
a rough training, and sent to the front lines to

803
00:41:14,519 --> 00:41:19,840
help there until the fighting was finished. I consider anyone

804
00:41:19,880 --> 00:41:22,119
who is so low as to act in this manner,

805
00:41:23,119 --> 00:41:26,960
I read, should have nothing less than a horse whippon. Yeah,

806
00:41:27,000 --> 00:41:29,199
so he's really just angry because they didn't get drafted,

807
00:41:29,920 --> 00:41:30,599
That's really it.

808
00:41:30,639 --> 00:41:34,119
Speaker 1: But because the first thing I can think of is, yeah,

809
00:41:34,719 --> 00:41:36,159
a soldier would.

810
00:41:35,880 --> 00:41:42,760
Speaker 2: Never Yes, soldiers are stand up dudes. Yeah, a soldier

811
00:41:42,800 --> 00:41:46,559
I definitely want to participate in such you know, foolish,

812
00:41:46,760 --> 00:41:48,199
no childish.

813
00:41:48,760 --> 00:41:51,480
Speaker 1: I've never met a sanks, never met a single dirt

814
00:41:51,480 --> 00:41:54,159
bag in the military. They're all dirt.

815
00:41:54,039 --> 00:41:58,440
Speaker 2: Bags, especially when they're like eighteen to twenty two.

816
00:41:58,519 --> 00:42:04,119
Speaker 1: They would all do this. I'm sorry, this guy's calling

817
00:42:04,400 --> 00:42:07,880
in the in Korea, calling in air support and watching

818
00:42:07,920 --> 00:42:11,760
a dude with titties painted on his plane glass Chinese

819
00:42:11,760 --> 00:42:14,639
people and he's like.

820
00:42:15,480 --> 00:42:17,960
Speaker 2: Pervots by fighting police.

821
00:42:19,199 --> 00:42:22,440
Speaker 1: It's a lot of them. Yeah. No, no soldier ever

822
00:42:22,719 --> 00:42:25,480
ever got in a fight with MPs. There was never

823
00:42:25,599 --> 00:42:29,920
a time. Yeah, yeah, this guy just sounds like a

824
00:42:29,960 --> 00:42:30,679
fucking boner.

825
00:42:31,639 --> 00:42:34,599
Speaker 2: Two football players at the University of Oklahoma were dismissed

826
00:42:34,599 --> 00:42:37,840
for leading a raid on the women's dorms, and newspaper

827
00:42:37,880 --> 00:42:40,400
headlines soon declared, bloomers sooner.

828
00:42:41,559 --> 00:42:43,400
Speaker 1: That's good, it's good work.

829
00:42:44,639 --> 00:42:46,199
Speaker 2: Do you think they were mad when they read about

830
00:42:46,239 --> 00:42:50,000
Joe Mixon getting to stay in school? But also, you

831
00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:53,360
know how many yards did he run for that year?

832
00:42:53,519 --> 00:42:58,159
That's fair, it's great running back. Panny raid on the

833
00:42:58,239 --> 00:43:01,880
league now, Panny raid face. I think he's had multiple incidents.

834
00:43:02,039 --> 00:43:05,599
Doesn't prevent him from playing. He had like some weird shooting.

835
00:43:05,760 --> 00:43:08,000
Speaker 1: He didn't hit anyone, but like popping off a gun

836
00:43:08,000 --> 00:43:09,599
at someone on his property or something.

837
00:43:09,639 --> 00:43:13,800
Speaker 2: The old Ja moran, He yeah, kind of At Wood

838
00:43:13,800 --> 00:43:17,119
do your college in California, the dean of students warned

839
00:43:17,239 --> 00:43:20,039
that the local draft board chairman would try to draft

840
00:43:20,079 --> 00:43:23,840
any man involved in panny raids for the next year.

841
00:43:23,880 --> 00:43:27,280
Panty raids were in short supply around the country, likely

842
00:43:27,360 --> 00:43:30,679
deterred by the threat of expulsion or reminders that Americans

843
00:43:30,719 --> 00:43:34,159
were in fact fighting in Korea. Yeah, I mean that

844
00:43:34,239 --> 00:43:39,760
so literally everybody's defense against the panny raids where but

845
00:43:39,840 --> 00:43:42,800
there's young boys dying in Korea right now. No, I

846
00:43:42,800 --> 00:43:43,679
think it's the opposite.

847
00:43:43,719 --> 00:43:47,519
Speaker 1: It's like what the Nazis would do, which is, uh,

848
00:43:47,920 --> 00:43:50,280
if you fucked up, but they didn't want to kill

849
00:43:50,280 --> 00:43:53,400
you or anything because they needed people straight to the

850
00:43:53,440 --> 00:43:56,519
Eastern Front. So essentially you do a panty raid straight.

851
00:43:56,320 --> 00:43:58,079
Speaker 2: To the front what Russia's doing right now.

852
00:43:58,320 --> 00:44:01,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, also that straight to the front. It is funny

853
00:44:01,480 --> 00:44:04,920
too that people are like, oh, man, I'm not gonna

854
00:44:04,920 --> 00:44:06,559
do this pan raid anymore because I don't want to

855
00:44:06,559 --> 00:44:09,599
get shot by a Chinese guy or a Korean guy.

856
00:44:09,800 --> 00:44:13,039
Speaker 2: Well, the nineteen fifty two outbursts was never repeated. Panny

857
00:44:13,119 --> 00:44:17,400
raids were a regular campus feature for another fifteen years.

858
00:44:17,760 --> 00:44:20,480
Speaker 1: That is also, by the way, a line in the

859
00:44:20,519 --> 00:44:25,880
movie You've Never Seen Animal House they get expelled near

860
00:44:25,920 --> 00:44:32,400
the end spoiler, and the dean is like, like, after

861
00:44:32,440 --> 00:44:34,880
he tells them they're all expelled because Animal House takes

862
00:44:34,880 --> 00:44:39,559
place in the late sixties, he's like, oh, and I've

863
00:44:39,599 --> 00:44:44,719
notified all of your draft boards. So he's just swit.

864
00:44:45,280 --> 00:44:48,119
He's like, I let your local draft boards know that

865
00:44:48,159 --> 00:44:50,960
you're immediately eligible to go to Vietnam.

866
00:44:51,599 --> 00:44:54,840
Speaker 2: By the late nineteen fifties, panny raids had evolved away

867
00:44:54,880 --> 00:45:00,639
from the potentially destructive entering of women's residences to just

868
00:45:00,800 --> 00:45:04,519
wooing ladies from the outside. Groups of men sang and

869
00:45:04,639 --> 00:45:08,159
chanted and hoped to be rewarded by lingerie dropping from windows.

870
00:45:08,159 --> 00:45:09,000
Speaker 1: They were sirens.

871
00:45:10,639 --> 00:45:12,639
Speaker 2: Serenade. Yeah, that was I mean, that was a big

872
00:45:12,639 --> 00:45:14,360
thing when I was in college. You just go up

873
00:45:14,360 --> 00:45:18,719
to a sorority sing a dumbass song and they, you know,

874
00:45:18,760 --> 00:45:21,719
give them roses or something and they might accept you.

875
00:45:21,760 --> 00:45:22,400
For home coming.

876
00:45:23,079 --> 00:45:25,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's how we did it too, serenades and all

877
00:45:25,440 --> 00:45:28,119
kinds of chording stuff. I was sang Stay by Lisa

878
00:45:28,159 --> 00:45:30,360
Loebe with my buddy as a duet.

879
00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:37,679
Speaker 2: We did a rendition of fuck You Gently Nice? Yeah, solid,

880
00:45:37,880 --> 00:45:40,039
and we locked down a sorority for homecoming.

881
00:45:41,199 --> 00:45:43,400
Speaker 1: Were you did you sing it? Or was it the

882
00:45:43,400 --> 00:45:43,880
whole house?

883
00:45:44,360 --> 00:45:44,880
Speaker 2: Whole house?

884
00:45:45,199 --> 00:45:45,760
Speaker 1: That wasn't just me.

885
00:45:45,880 --> 00:45:49,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, we went to their house serenaded their entire sorority

886
00:45:49,800 --> 00:45:53,559
did fuck You Gently Nice? I mean that was kind

887
00:45:53,599 --> 00:45:56,400
of expected, though. I think Ato at one point to

888
00:45:56,480 --> 00:46:00,320
dick in a box when it literally had dudes like

889
00:46:00,519 --> 00:46:02,639
shirtless and just dressed in a box.

890
00:46:02,840 --> 00:46:05,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, some of these atos of one of the wilder ones,

891
00:46:06,000 --> 00:46:08,679
because like we would do serenades. We would try to

892
00:46:08,679 --> 00:46:10,920
be like funny and do funny shit, but like a

893
00:46:10,920 --> 00:46:12,000
little change the lyrics.

894
00:46:13,480 --> 00:46:15,639
Speaker 2: We didn't, Oh, we changed the lyrics. We changed.

895
00:46:15,719 --> 00:46:17,480
Speaker 1: We did it as like it was just like a

896
00:46:17,880 --> 00:46:19,719
We still said fuck you gently, but we like would

897
00:46:19,880 --> 00:46:24,159
make it more applicable for the literal ladies. Ours were

898
00:46:24,199 --> 00:46:25,280
like part of a broader skitch.

899
00:46:25,280 --> 00:46:27,960
Speaker 2: It made sense within the sketch anyway. But like I

900
00:46:27,960 --> 00:46:30,360
would hear like atos and sees and stuff like that.

901
00:46:30,400 --> 00:46:35,039
Speaker 1: The houses that like were very uh did not treat

902
00:46:35,079 --> 00:46:37,199
their pledge as well. It would be like the pledges

903
00:46:37,320 --> 00:46:40,760
would be like around the corner, like jerking off to

904
00:46:40,800 --> 00:46:43,000
make sure their dicks were hard, and then would have

905
00:46:43,079 --> 00:46:45,400
to like run in front of the sorority with hard dicks.

906
00:46:46,119 --> 00:46:49,039
Speaker 2: It was just fluffing. They they weren't hard. They were

907
00:46:49,039 --> 00:46:51,760
probably get a fluff. Yeah, you gotta get a solid chubb.

908
00:46:52,039 --> 00:46:55,920
I think you can't be totally fucking rocking a wenus.

909
00:46:56,320 --> 00:46:59,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, cause if you fluff it, that leaves room for

910
00:46:59,559 --> 00:47:01,719
the amadation that it could grow it.

911
00:47:01,800 --> 00:47:02,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, not much.

912
00:47:02,360 --> 00:47:04,639
Speaker 1: It could be bigger. Yeah, but if it's fully hard,

913
00:47:04,639 --> 00:47:07,199
they know exactly what you're working with and they're not

914
00:47:07,239 --> 00:47:07,960
happy about it.

915
00:47:08,119 --> 00:47:13,000
Speaker 2: No, especially like when you're doing a physical feat. Just

916
00:47:13,000 --> 00:47:16,760
the penis and balls, specially soft. That's just it's not

917
00:47:16,800 --> 00:47:18,840
gonna do it for anyone. I mean, the human body

918
00:47:18,920 --> 00:47:20,639
knows that you shouldn't run with an direction. It wants

919
00:47:20,639 --> 00:47:24,119
to shrink your wiener up for mobility. As part of

920
00:47:24,119 --> 00:47:26,360
the fun, a co ed might write her first name

921
00:47:26,360 --> 00:47:29,199
and telephone number on the inside of her undergarments, and

922
00:47:29,239 --> 00:47:32,079
the gentleman who acquired the prize was obligated to return

923
00:47:32,119 --> 00:47:33,960
it in the way of a blind date.

924
00:47:34,960 --> 00:47:37,239
Speaker 1: Ah like that, canna put them on.

925
00:47:37,199 --> 00:47:41,519
Speaker 2: You, grandpa? How'd you meet Grandma? Well, she was a whore.

926
00:47:44,119 --> 00:47:47,159
That was until May twenty fourth, nineteen sixty three, when

927
00:47:47,320 --> 00:47:51,519
three hundred students from Norwich University descended upon the capital

928
00:47:51,559 --> 00:47:54,400
city of Vermont and lage siege the campus of the

929
00:47:54,559 --> 00:47:58,000
Vermont College. They hit the capitol, They hit Vermont's capital.

930
00:47:58,119 --> 00:48:03,039
My god, how do you even say it? Montpelaire, Montpellier, Montpellier. Yeah,

931
00:48:03,039 --> 00:48:05,599
I think so. I think that's right. How many people

932
00:48:05,679 --> 00:48:07,760
in the US do you think could actually name the

933
00:48:07,760 --> 00:48:09,079
capital of Vermont.

934
00:48:09,320 --> 00:48:12,480
Speaker 1: It should be one of the easiest because it's the

935
00:48:12,559 --> 00:48:13,400
craziest name.

936
00:48:14,280 --> 00:48:15,559
Speaker 2: I don't think anyone's getting it.

937
00:48:15,679 --> 00:48:17,480
Speaker 1: I think I could do all fifty state capitals.

938
00:48:18,039 --> 00:48:18,800
Speaker 2: I think.

939
00:48:20,679 --> 00:48:22,679
Speaker 1: Might have to do that on the Patreon at some point.

940
00:48:22,480 --> 00:48:26,360
Speaker 2: Maybe, but there's I would say ninety nine percent get

941
00:48:26,400 --> 00:48:30,440
it wrong over. I don't even think ninety nine percent

942
00:48:30,480 --> 00:48:32,960
of the population could list a city in Vermont.

943
00:48:33,320 --> 00:48:34,599
Speaker 1: Montpellier's the only one.

944
00:48:35,000 --> 00:48:37,760
Speaker 2: It's not a city in my mind. Yeah, it's the

945
00:48:37,800 --> 00:48:42,960
closest thing to it. Dean Pauline Tompkins came into the

946
00:48:43,000 --> 00:48:45,480
Diamond Hall to tellsted and she had received a call

947
00:48:46,199 --> 00:48:49,320
warning her of plans of a Penny raid. She set

948
00:48:49,320 --> 00:48:52,639
out the rules for the evening. All days were to

949
00:48:52,679 --> 00:48:56,840
be canceled, anyone out of the dorms before study hours

950
00:48:56,960 --> 00:48:59,800
was to return by seven. Lights were to be turned

951
00:48:59,800 --> 00:49:02,840
out once the raid began, and no one was to

952
00:49:02,840 --> 00:49:03,960
be let into the dorms.

953
00:49:05,880 --> 00:49:07,800
Speaker 1: Man, I wish you had seen Animal House now, because

954
00:49:07,840 --> 00:49:09,840
so much of this just happens in an animal house

955
00:49:09,840 --> 00:49:13,760
where they're like there's women's colleges, there's like dorms where

956
00:49:13,760 --> 00:49:16,039
you have to be let in other women who are.

957
00:49:15,880 --> 00:49:17,880
Speaker 2: There plenty of people who are listening to this right

958
00:49:17,920 --> 00:49:20,440
now that are connecting with you in a way I can't.

959
00:49:20,519 --> 00:49:23,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, who looked at you suspiciously and stuff like that.

960
00:49:24,719 --> 00:49:28,079
My favorite thing from Animal House is that. So it's

961
00:49:28,119 --> 00:49:30,199
like taken from a couple of different of the writers'

962
00:49:30,559 --> 00:49:33,320
experiences in college. Ye, and one of them was, you know,

963
00:49:33,480 --> 00:49:37,280
Harold Ramis's egon from Ghostbusters all the shit. Anyway, I've

964
00:49:37,280 --> 00:49:39,760
never seen Ghostbusters either, Oh my god, all right, but

965
00:49:39,800 --> 00:49:42,199
you know who Harold Ramis is somehow, anyway.

966
00:49:44,840 --> 00:49:48,360
Speaker 2: I'm aware of Ghostbusters. Yes, he wrote Caddyshack too. Yeah,

967
00:49:48,480 --> 00:49:50,480
he's also in a lot of movies.

968
00:49:50,599 --> 00:49:54,639
Speaker 1: Yeah, he went to Washington University in Saint Louis. And

969
00:49:54,719 --> 00:49:57,760
there's a scene making about yourself, yeah an Animal House

970
00:49:57,920 --> 00:50:02,480
where they go to a jazz club, a black jazz club,

971
00:50:02,639 --> 00:50:04,760
as one of the famous lines, could we domes with

972
00:50:04,800 --> 00:50:08,000
your dates? And they just like let the black kids

973
00:50:08,039 --> 00:50:11,239
take their white dates. And it's from a women's college,

974
00:50:11,360 --> 00:50:13,119
which is what made me think of this anyway. I

975
00:50:13,159 --> 00:50:14,679
was like, man, I don't know why, but that had

976
00:50:14,719 --> 00:50:16,639
to be Herald Ramis that wrote that part because he

977
00:50:16,679 --> 00:50:19,119
went to school in Saint Louis and I guess he

978
00:50:19,159 --> 00:50:22,239
said that that was him, and they just for shits

979
00:50:22,239 --> 00:50:25,800
and gigs went to East Saint Louis one day, sure,

980
00:50:25,840 --> 00:50:28,000
and it went exactly as how you would think it

981
00:50:28,000 --> 00:50:30,239
would go. Yeah, where they were just three terrified white

982
00:50:30,280 --> 00:50:34,480
boys and like went immediately back. Okay, yeah, but they

983
00:50:34,480 --> 00:50:37,199
took those dates from a women's college locked like had

984
00:50:37,199 --> 00:50:39,840
to like lie to get them out because they weren't

985
00:50:39,880 --> 00:50:41,920
just allowed to go on dates. They weren't just allowed to.

986
00:50:41,960 --> 00:50:45,480
Speaker 2: Leave take care offews. Yeah yeah, the moon, the moon.

987
00:50:46,239 --> 00:50:49,800
I mean even today, sororities, their houses and everything, there

988
00:50:49,840 --> 00:50:52,159
was always like a point and no return that guys

989
00:50:52,199 --> 00:50:54,599
could not go past. You couldn't go upstairs.

990
00:50:54,639 --> 00:50:55,079
Speaker 1: Second floor.

991
00:50:55,119 --> 00:50:57,119
Speaker 2: Yeah, typically upstairs, but there was usually a door to

992
00:50:57,159 --> 00:51:00,320
the stairway that I couldn't like go past. Order the

993
00:51:00,320 --> 00:51:02,559
house mom would yell at me, Oh yeah, you're in

994
00:51:02,679 --> 00:51:03,119
deep shit.

995
00:51:04,519 --> 00:51:06,400
Speaker 1: Except the one there'd be like one cool house that

996
00:51:06,480 --> 00:51:08,159
was like, well, just you can come over.

997
00:51:08,119 --> 00:51:12,159
Speaker 2: And bang us was there a cool house? It was gammified.

998
00:51:12,159 --> 00:51:15,559
I wasn't cool enough for it. Oh yeah, it was

999
00:51:15,559 --> 00:51:17,599
probably Zaeta UCF, but I wasn't cool enough for that.

1000
00:51:22,239 --> 00:51:24,639
It was dusk when the lights out announcement came over

1001
00:51:24,679 --> 00:51:28,559
the PA and cars loaded with Norwich Cadets began to arrive,

1002
00:51:29,400 --> 00:51:32,599
followed by the police and fire departments. God damn cadets.

1003
00:51:32,719 --> 00:51:35,599
A hose truck stopped in front of the Glover Hadley

1004
00:51:35,679 --> 00:51:38,679
Building and as the fireman hopped out to hook up

1005
00:51:38,719 --> 00:51:42,800
the hoses, and Norwich cadet hopped in and drove the

1006
00:51:42,840 --> 00:51:45,840
fire truck across the quad and straight into the fountain.

1007
00:51:47,800 --> 00:51:52,000
Speaker 1: You wrecked the fire truck, by the way, props on

1008
00:51:52,039 --> 00:51:54,320
the equal opportunity they were gonna fire hose a mob

1009
00:51:54,360 --> 00:51:55,000
of white people.

1010
00:51:56,599 --> 00:51:59,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think it was an exclusively racially charged thing.

1011
00:52:00,159 --> 00:52:01,079
It was just effective.

1012
00:52:01,159 --> 00:52:03,760
Speaker 1: Look, this is this is gonna sound Yeah, this is

1013
00:52:03,800 --> 00:52:06,199
gonna sound really racist, But it just makes sense to

1014
00:52:06,320 --> 00:52:07,960
use a fire hose on an angry crowd.

1015
00:52:09,119 --> 00:52:11,960
Speaker 2: Yeah. We got plenty of examples of white.

1016
00:52:11,800 --> 00:52:16,519
Speaker 1: College I'm just saying, if you want to disperse a crowd,

1017
00:52:17,199 --> 00:52:20,639
a hard beam of water that's gonna get you, gonna

1018
00:52:20,639 --> 00:52:25,199
help do that. It's just logical. It's not right who

1019
00:52:25,239 --> 00:52:29,320
they did it to necessarily, but it does make sense.

1020
00:52:29,400 --> 00:52:32,000
Speaker 2: When I was a part of the riots in Philadelphia

1021
00:52:32,039 --> 00:52:35,960
after the two thousand and eight World Series if somebody

1022
00:52:35,960 --> 00:52:38,719
I was a senior in high school. Okay, so I

1023
00:52:38,760 --> 00:52:41,920
was seventeen at the time. If someone busted out a

1024
00:52:41,920 --> 00:52:43,719
fire hose to get us, I mean I would have

1025
00:52:43,800 --> 00:52:47,039
left right, Yeah, I would have just immediately. It's been

1026
00:52:47,039 --> 00:52:49,679
like I'm not getting soaked sticking around for the fire hose.

1027
00:52:49,800 --> 00:52:52,599
I got pepper sprayed, and I still stayed.

1028
00:52:52,679 --> 00:52:55,440
Speaker 1: For you stayed with the pepper spray. No, it wasn't direct,

1029
00:52:55,440 --> 00:52:57,280
but it was like a kind of a okay, so

1030
00:52:57,400 --> 00:52:59,239
you got a little spice, got a little spice.

1031
00:52:59,400 --> 00:53:02,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think I also got hit by like

1032
00:53:02,920 --> 00:53:05,000
a police horse or something. I don't know, what do

1033
00:53:05,039 --> 00:53:07,800
you mean hit by just like ran into me. Okay,

1034
00:53:08,480 --> 00:53:10,199
it was a big crowd. Like what do you mean

1035
00:53:10,280 --> 00:53:10,719
ran into you?

1036
00:53:10,760 --> 00:53:13,320
Speaker 1: There? Like a night charging into a crowd of infantry,

1037
00:53:13,400 --> 00:53:16,000
Like you got a horse chest to the fucking Yeah.

1038
00:53:15,840 --> 00:53:18,360
Speaker 2: Dude, it was the cavalry charging and yeah, our own

1039
00:53:19,079 --> 00:53:19,519
fair enough.

1040
00:53:19,559 --> 00:53:23,000
Speaker 1: We didn't have a breastplate on the horse, like a yeah, no,

1041
00:53:23,559 --> 00:53:24,360
I wish they should.

1042
00:53:24,440 --> 00:53:26,559
Speaker 2: I had a giant red hole cand that I was

1043
00:53:26,599 --> 00:53:30,039
holding a beer in nice, so you know, it was

1044
00:53:30,159 --> 00:53:31,880
it was helping me defend myself though it was a

1045
00:53:31,960 --> 00:53:32,559
nice shield.

1046
00:53:32,679 --> 00:53:35,760
Speaker 1: I've been arrested multiple times, and the meanest a cop

1047
00:53:35,800 --> 00:53:37,760
has ever been to me was when I was in

1048
00:53:37,800 --> 00:53:40,280
downtown Austin and didn't get arrested, and I was just

1049
00:53:40,320 --> 00:53:43,760
really drunk and touched the police horse. And I have

1050
00:53:43,960 --> 00:53:47,679
never can't do that, never gotten a talking to you

1051
00:53:47,840 --> 00:53:48,559
like that before.

1052
00:53:49,280 --> 00:53:52,239
Speaker 2: We can't pet him. They will get furious. I don't

1053
00:53:52,280 --> 00:53:54,760
like it, and you shouldn't. I was just shit faced.

1054
00:53:55,880 --> 00:54:00,119
Although you pay taxes, it's my horse, that's yours, yes,

1055
00:54:01,800 --> 00:54:04,440
just like that's your gun. Yeah, reach for that gun.

1056
00:54:04,920 --> 00:54:08,559
You can. Honestly, people don't know this, but say you're

1057
00:54:08,880 --> 00:54:12,360
down on cash, you don't have any maybe your iPhone died.

1058
00:54:12,440 --> 00:54:15,440
You can't call an uber. You're legally allowed to take

1059
00:54:15,440 --> 00:54:16,199
a police horse.

1060
00:54:16,239 --> 00:54:19,239
Speaker 1: That's your horse. Car that's yours. The person obviously not.

1061
00:54:19,239 --> 00:54:21,599
You can't own a person. Fourteenth Amendment thirteen men, which

1062
00:54:21,599 --> 00:54:23,239
everyone it is you can't own a person.

1063
00:54:23,320 --> 00:54:24,480
Speaker 2: Doesn't say anything about horses.

1064
00:54:24,519 --> 00:54:28,079
Speaker 1: You do own all of their stuff, though that they

1065
00:54:28,159 --> 00:54:30,440
have it official any government worker. Yeah, you can't take

1066
00:54:30,480 --> 00:54:33,320
up their phone unless it's the government pays for the phone.

1067
00:54:33,800 --> 00:54:36,400
But like the gun, the horse, the car, Yeah, that's

1068
00:54:36,440 --> 00:54:38,039
all yours certainly.

1069
00:54:38,400 --> 00:54:44,159
Speaker 2: Yeah, you go into a classroom, teacher pays for things

1070
00:54:44,199 --> 00:54:47,840
out of her own pocket for the classroom. Yeah, it

1071
00:54:47,920 --> 00:54:49,280
doesn't matter. You can take that.

1072
00:54:50,280 --> 00:54:52,280
Speaker 1: I think really we should, uh, if we're going to

1073
00:54:52,360 --> 00:54:57,840
redirect tax dollars, give the teachers more money for their

1074
00:54:57,880 --> 00:55:01,599
supplies and take it from take it out of the

1075
00:55:01,599 --> 00:55:05,920
cops gun budget. Not because I don't want cops to

1076
00:55:05,920 --> 00:55:08,559
have guns, but because if there is anyone who would

1077
00:55:08,559 --> 00:55:14,440
happily upgrade what they're carrying, it's a fucking cop or

1078
00:55:14,559 --> 00:55:17,800
teacher or teacher. If there are too arm the teachers,

1079
00:55:17,840 --> 00:55:20,119
which seems like the every time someone told that to me,

1080
00:55:20,159 --> 00:55:22,000
I was like, it feels like that's not the right solution.

1081
00:55:22,519 --> 00:55:25,239
I know teachers, they don't want to carry guns now,

1082
00:55:25,639 --> 00:55:27,119
and you don't want them to carry guns.

1083
00:55:27,159 --> 00:55:31,199
Speaker 2: Probably not, although I'll pistol whip to a kid here

1084
00:55:31,239 --> 00:55:33,760
and there, it might start acting, might keep the kids

1085
00:55:33,760 --> 00:55:36,840
in line. To be honest, imagine if our nuns at

1086
00:55:36,920 --> 00:55:41,840
Catholic school had guns, I might have actually believed in God.

1087
00:55:42,760 --> 00:55:46,320
Speaker 1: Oh that's what kept you no b it and I.

1088
00:55:46,280 --> 00:55:47,800
Speaker 2: Actually have come all the way back on the true

1089
00:55:47,840 --> 00:55:52,760
Catholic we Uh. Probably isn't a thing anymore. It can't

1090
00:55:52,760 --> 00:55:53,480
be a thing anymore.

1091
00:55:53,519 --> 00:55:56,159
Speaker 1: But when I was in school, in like grade school,

1092
00:55:56,199 --> 00:55:59,559
like we would hear stories about there was one male

1093
00:55:59,639 --> 00:56:03,320
teacher who had like he didn't have a bad temper

1094
00:56:03,360 --> 00:56:05,000
or anything like that, but we thought he did. But

1095
00:56:05,039 --> 00:56:09,159
he was like a god tear yeller, you know what

1096
00:56:09,239 --> 00:56:12,239
I mean, sure, just like a deep, deep.

1097
00:56:12,400 --> 00:56:14,079
Speaker 2: Bass really put you in your place.

1098
00:56:14,159 --> 00:56:17,000
Speaker 1: Oh, I know, fucking and it made the rumors ran

1099
00:56:17,039 --> 00:56:20,159
wild about how one time he held a kid out

1100
00:56:20,159 --> 00:56:23,199
a window by his neck because he was right, which

1101
00:56:23,239 --> 00:56:26,000
isn't even believable anymore, but it was believable back then.

1102
00:56:27,559 --> 00:56:30,000
And you didn't fuck around in mister Schulte's class. Nicest

1103
00:56:30,000 --> 00:56:32,679
guy in the world in better time. But honestly, yeah,

1104
00:56:32,719 --> 00:56:34,559
we lived in the peak. When you got in mister

1105
00:56:34,559 --> 00:56:36,719
Schulti's class, you shut the fuck up.

1106
00:56:37,639 --> 00:56:40,519
Speaker 2: Anyway. That's just kind of a general overview of what

1107
00:56:40,639 --> 00:56:44,440
your grandparents probably did in college. Hell yeah, Panny raids,

1108
00:56:44,639 --> 00:56:48,559
your grandpa, your granpy, maybe even your dad holding panties

1109
00:56:48,599 --> 00:56:49,920
up to his nose and sniffing them.

1110
00:56:49,920 --> 00:56:52,000
Speaker 1: Hell yeah, when he go you hit the TV.

1111
00:56:52,159 --> 00:56:54,519
Speaker 2: He didn't knock anything out, Okay, good, I was really

1112
00:56:54,559 --> 00:56:59,599
worried for a second. Yep, there it goes, and we

1113
00:56:59,639 --> 00:57:02,079
can't say ourselves anymore. But I believe we are still

1114
00:57:02,119 --> 00:57:04,639
going sweet. This is what happens when you move. I

1115
00:57:04,719 --> 00:57:07,719
know I'm an antsy guy. You're such a spaz.

1116
00:57:07,840 --> 00:57:09,199
Speaker 1: That's that's one hundred percent on me.

1117
00:57:09,719 --> 00:57:11,239
Speaker 2: You're the biggest fucking spas.

1118
00:57:11,320 --> 00:57:14,159
Speaker 1: I know. At least you believe my ad d I don't.

1119
00:57:14,719 --> 00:57:15,679
You still don't know.

1120
00:57:16,519 --> 00:57:17,440
Speaker 2: I think you're a fraud.

1121
00:57:17,760 --> 00:57:18,840
Speaker 1: What could it possibly be?

1122
00:57:19,519 --> 00:57:20,000
Speaker 2: Spaz?

1123
00:57:20,280 --> 00:57:23,519
Speaker 1: Okay, a loser? Well, I'm not debating that.

1124
00:57:24,559 --> 00:57:30,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, look at our fraternity houses. Just a

1125
00:57:30,599 --> 00:57:33,320
couple of bottom tier billies over here playing settlers A

1126
00:57:33,400 --> 00:57:37,000
Katan and car. I didn't play it well, sounds like

1127
00:57:37,000 --> 00:57:37,559
you played it.

1128
00:57:37,679 --> 00:57:37,960
Speaker 1: I did.

1129
00:57:38,039 --> 00:57:40,519
Speaker 2: There was actually another time I'll tell the story. No, no,

1130
00:57:40,559 --> 00:57:42,400
we don't have time for this. No, I don't want

1131
00:57:42,400 --> 00:57:43,760
another Settler as Katon story.

1132
00:57:45,199 --> 00:57:47,599
Speaker 1: But those same guys, they always wanted to go to

1133
00:57:47,639 --> 00:57:49,960
this one die bar that no one went to and

1134
00:57:50,039 --> 00:57:51,519
it was like no girls.

1135
00:57:51,159 --> 00:57:54,199
Speaker 2: There, guys and I did that was Wednesday night, a dev.

1136
00:57:54,119 --> 00:57:56,000
Speaker 1: They always wanted to do it every night, and it

1137
00:57:56,039 --> 00:57:57,800
got to the point they also didn't card hard and

1138
00:57:57,800 --> 00:57:59,639
a lot of them are under twenty one, and me

1139
00:57:59,679 --> 00:58:01,280
and my buddy who like won it, and they all

1140
00:58:01,320 --> 00:58:02,920
had fake id's and we had faked We all wanted

1141
00:58:02,920 --> 00:58:04,320
to go to the bar where like girls were at,

1142
00:58:04,440 --> 00:58:06,159
and we were annoyed that like our whole crew was

1143
00:58:06,199 --> 00:58:09,000
going to this shitty bar and that didn't card anyone,

1144
00:58:09,039 --> 00:58:12,239
And we were like, should we just like call cops

1145
00:58:12,320 --> 00:58:15,320
on that bar just so that they can't go there anymore.

1146
00:58:15,400 --> 00:58:16,800
Speaker 2: I don't want to do a show with you anymore.

1147
00:58:16,800 --> 00:58:18,480
If you've told me you called the cops on your

1148
00:58:18,480 --> 00:58:19,440
own guys, we didn't.

1149
00:58:19,559 --> 00:58:20,920
Speaker 1: We didn't what we would be called on the bar,

1150
00:58:21,000 --> 00:58:23,519
not them. Should we just called liquor patrol and just

1151
00:58:23,760 --> 00:58:26,079
get this bar shut down to stop them?

1152
00:58:26,199 --> 00:58:27,960
Speaker 2: Now, not only are you a spaz, but you're a

1153
00:58:28,000 --> 00:58:29,000
goddamn rat.

1154
00:58:29,119 --> 00:58:31,400
Speaker 1: I didn't rat. I just wanted the guys to go

1155
00:58:31,480 --> 00:58:32,840
out with where girls were.

1156
00:58:33,760 --> 00:58:36,159
Speaker 2: I can't believe I'm looking across the couch.

1157
00:58:36,440 --> 00:58:40,079
Speaker 1: It was completely justified, and I stand by my hypothetical

1158
00:58:40,159 --> 00:58:41,320
actions I never went through with.

1159
00:58:43,199 --> 00:58:46,079
Speaker 2: Anyway. That's our episode for today. Make sure to check

1160
00:58:46,159 --> 00:58:49,199
us out on patreon dot com. Slash Software History two

1161
00:58:49,199 --> 00:58:52,679
additional episodes, one every Wednesday and one every Friday. And

1162
00:58:52,760 --> 00:58:55,079
at this point we have three and a half four

1163
00:58:55,159 --> 00:58:56,000
years of Evergreen.

1164
00:58:56,159 --> 00:58:58,440
Speaker 1: We might need to start saying four. Might start saying four.

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Been new in the.

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Speaker 2: Show for over five now. So Patreon came I think

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like a year and a half later.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know.

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Speaker 2: Anyway, Plenty of content, including that Rice a m episode.

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Speaker 1: It was great.

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Speaker 2: I enjoyed this episode as well.

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Speaker 1: Oh, I love a good college episode. Really lets us riff.

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Speaker 2: It really lets us go back to our glory days.

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If I mean that weren't so glorious, you know they

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were glorious. It's fine, it's fine. Your glory days were

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your early twenties, mid twenties. It was my Yeah, second

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time in college.

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Speaker 1: That was Actually, we'll have to be a ut student

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without going to school.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, mid to late would be the way to put

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mid to late twenties anyway. Check us out on Instagram.

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If you're so inclined you want to see some social stuff.

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Speaker 1: Sub to the YouTube commenting comment on it. The Spotify

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helps a lot.

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Speaker 2: Leave a review on Apple if you can, please and

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thank you. Yeah, YouTube, you can get to see our

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pretty face. This isn't all the hard work I did

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in my apartment. Yeah, it looks God damn good. Not

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gonna lie. I mean, we're getting we're getting comfy here,

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we're hitting, we're hitting bombs.

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Speaker 1: Nothing but calls cal Raleigh.

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Speaker 2: I'm excited for the future. Anyway, for Rob Fox, I'm

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damn Rochester. You just got saw serve