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Speaker 1: What's up, everyone, and welcome back to the Epstein Chronicles.

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In this episode, we're going to pick up where we

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left off with the Sarah Ransom deposition, So let's get

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right back to it. Menager. Did you see any articles

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about Virginia Roberts Ransom? Yes? Menager? Which articles did you

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see about Virginia Roberts Ransom? I can't remember. It was

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quite some time ago, Menager. What do you recall about it? Ransom?

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She came forward, and I was It was a few

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years ago that she came forward, and her story was

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exactly the same as mine. I can't remember specifically what

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article I read, but every single article I did read

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during the duration of that time, she experienced the same

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thing I did, So it was more or less the

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same context, and it's the same story in all articles, really, Menager.

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So you were reading these articles over the course of

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a period of ten years, you think Ransom. Yeah, I

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didn't pay much attention to it because I've spent the

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last ten years trying to get over that experience, and

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I've been frightened to come forward. Menager. And when you

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read the articles, you noticed that there were details that

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you thought were similar to your experience mcaulay objection, Ransom.

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There were details that were exactly the same as what

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I had experienced. Manager. Do you know whether anyone else

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had brought lawsuits against mister Epstein? Ransom? No, Menager, did

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you save any of these articles that you read? Ransom? Sorry?

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Can you repeat that? Menager? Did you save any of

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the articles that you read? Ransom? No? Menager? Where did

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you grow up? Ransom? I grew up in South Africa.

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I then finished school in Scotland. Manager, When did you

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move to Scotland? How old were you Ransom? I was fourteen? Manager.

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Did your family move to Scotland or just you? Ransom?

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Just myself? Menager? Are you a South African citizen? Ransom? Yes? Manager.

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Do you have a South African passport? Ransom? Well, yeah,

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it was stolen. I'm reapplying for a new one. I

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have to renew my South African passport. It was stolen

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South Africa for you. Manager, So when did you get

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that South African passport? Ransom? I can't remember. I've had

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a South African passport my whole life. So Manager, and

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when was it stolen? Ransom? I think it was twenty fourteen,

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twenty fifteen, Menager. So you were born in South Africa,

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you're a South African citizen, and you had a South

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African passport your whole life. Have I got that right? Ransom?

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Uh huh? Menager? Yes or no? Mister gergis objection to form.

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You can answer Sarah Ransom, yeah, Manager. Did you also

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have a British passport? Ransom? Yes? Manager. How did that

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come about? Ransom? My mom's side of the family is British. Menager.

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And when did you get a British passport? Ransom? I

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think when I was about five, Menager. Do you have

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dual citizenship Ransom, yes, Manager. And do you travel using

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both passports? Ransom, It's really complicated. I only use my

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South African passport when I enter into South Africa, so

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that's the only time I use my South African passport.

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Then other than that, I use my British passport for

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all other transportation because South Africa you need like a visa.

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It's really complicated. So I'm lucky I've got my British passport. Manager.

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It's easier to travel on a British passport than a

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South African passport, Ransom, Yeah, a lot easier, a lot easier. Menager,

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All right. Did you have any other siblings growing up? Ransom? Yes, Menager?

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How many? Ransom? I've got one real older brother, and

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then I've got a half younger brother and a half

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younger sister. Menager. Did you all grow up in the

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same home? Ransom? No, Menager. Who did you grow up

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with in the same home with? I don't need their name,

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but just the people you just described, mister gergis objection

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you can answer. Ransom. I grew up with my mom

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and my stepdad and my brother and was just entering

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boarding school. And then I live with my aunty and

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uncle in Scotland. Manager and cousins Ransom, Yeah, and cousins

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one cousin Manager. And how long did you attend school

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in Scotland? Ransom? About three years? Manager. Did you graduate? Ransom?

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I did? Manager. Is that the equivalent of our high school? Ransom? Yeah,

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it is. Manager. Did you go to college? Ransom? I

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went to university to study psychology and sociology. Manager. Where

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did you go Ransom, Queen Margaret University in Edinburgh. Manager.

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Did you graduate? Ransom? No? I did not. Manager. Did

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you go to that college immediately after graduating from high school? Ransom? No. Manager.

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When did you go to that college, Ransom two thousand

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and four. Manager. And how long did you stay at

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Queen Margaret College Ransom a year and a half. Manager.

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Why did you leave college? Ransom? I chose the wrong course.

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I didn't. I didn't really agree with what I was

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being taught in sociology, so I quit. Manager. During the

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time you were in college, did you work Ransom? Yes? Manager.

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Where did you work? Ransom? I was a waitress at

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a bar. Manager anything else? Ransom no Manager. Have you

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ever been married? Ransom, No Manager. Have you ever been engaged? Ransom? Yes,

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manager to whom redacted? Manager? Your current partner? Ransom, yes, manager?

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Anyone else? Ransom, yes, I have manager. Who else have

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you been engaged to? McCauley objection, gergis objection, Ransom, I

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don't really see the relevance in that, McCauley. Who else

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have you been engaged to? Ransom? Redacted? Manager? Was he

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listed in your passport? Ransom? Yes? Manager? Anyone else? Ransom

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listed on my passport? Sorry? Manager. Have you been engaged

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to anyone else? Ransom? Oh, sorry, I've got a really

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bad train. No, No, I haven't. Manager. During what period

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of time were you engaged to or adacted Ransom? I

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can't remember. Manager. Was it before two thousand and six

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or after Ransom? After Menager? How long after Ransom? Three years? Manager?

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Did you know mister redacted during two thousand and six Ransom?

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It's redacted? Sorry, vaguely, vaguely we lost touch? Manager. When

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did you lose contact Ransom in two thousand and six? Manager?

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And when did you re establish contact Ransom two thousand

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and eight? Manager? Do you go buy any other names Ransom? No? Menager?

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Do you go by redacted online? Ransom? I don't think so.

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I don't know menager on Twitter Ransom. I don't have

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any social media platforms, so I can't remember, Menager. Have

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you ever gone by redacted all one word on Twitter? Ransom?

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I can't remember, Menager. Do you have any tattoos Ransom? Yes? Manager?

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Where Ransom? One here indicating one on her arm and

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I have one two three four? Where is the second one? Ransom?

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I've got four? Menager? All right, just tell me where

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they are Ransom. One is on my arm, one is

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on my right hip, one is on my upper bikini line,

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and one is on my right inner thigh. And I've

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got one on my left side on my ribcage. Manager. Okay,

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have you had them for a long time? Ransom, I've

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had hang on two I have had for a long time. Manager.

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Which ones are they? Ransom? The scorpion on my right

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hip and my LEO symbol on my bikini line. Manager.

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Have you ever obtained a college degree? Ransom? No? Menager,

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have you ever gone back to college? Ransom? I have

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tried to. I wanted to. Manager. When did you do that? Ransom?

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When I moved to New York? Manager in two thousand

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and six, Ransom? Correct? Manager, any other time? Ransom? Well? Recent?

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I mean I'm going back to university next year, so

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I'm currently relooking at colleges. I'm going back to do

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my psychology degree. Manager where Ransom, I haven't decided yet

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because I'm looking for an open degree. Well, sorry, home learning,

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so I haven't found somewhere yet. But I'm currently going Well,

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my aim is to go back to university and get qualified. Manager.

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Between two thousand and six and today, have you applied

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to any other colleges? Ransom? No? Oh, yes, sorry? Sorry?

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Can you repeat the question? Sorry, Manager, he can read

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it back, So the question gets read back and Ransom.

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Answer is yes and yes. Manager. Okay, when did you

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apply to colleges between two thousand and six and today? Ransom?

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It was two thousand and six. Manager, is that fit? Ransom,

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that's correct. Manager anywhere else? Ransom, no manager. Other than

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working as a waitress at a bar during college in

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two thousand and four, two thousand and five. What other

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employment have you had? Ransom? I have worked in hospitality.

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I've worked in super yachting. Those wealthy people that have

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super yachts, I used to work for them. I have

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done modeling and I can't remember any to this. Menager interrupts.

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Did you have a modeling agent? Ransom? I did in

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Scotland menager in college Ransom, yep, that's correct. Menager any

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other time Ransom, no Menager. And what type of modeling

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was that? Ransom? Just commercial menager? Print Ransom yep, Menager,

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runway Ransom, yep, manager TV or ads Ransom, no menager

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and all in Scotland Ransom, no Menager. Where else did

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you model Ransom? New York? Menager? Anywhere else? Ransom, no menager?

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London Ransom, Oh yeah, I did, Sorry, I did do modeling.

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A bit of modeling in London. Menager. All right, when

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did you do modeling in New York? Ransom? During when

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I first arrived in New York in two thousand and six, Menager?

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How much money did you make as a model, mister

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gergis objection? Ransom, I can't remember, Manager. When did you

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work in super yachting? Ransom? I can't remember about twenty eleven, Yeah,

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about twenty eleven, Maxwell. And when did you work in hospitality? Ransom.

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I've worked in hospitality my whole life. I have worked

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in i' mean in hospitality. I've either done bar work, waitressing,

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super yachting, Yeah, Manager, so on and off? Ransom, Yeah,

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on and off Manager. And since you were an adult, Ransom.

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And since I was an adult, I worked in corporate

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jobs as well, Menager. Where did you work in corporate America? Ransom?

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In South Africa? Menager? And just so I understand, you

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lived in Scotland from the ages of fourteen to twenty two, Ransom,

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that's correct, Menager. And then where did you move Ransom

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to New York? Menager? And how long did you live

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in New York? Ransom? About seven eight months, Menager? And

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where did you move Ransom back to London? Manager, And

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how long did you live in London? Ransom? Well, I

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so I didn't just specifically live in London, but I

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was in the UK about twenty twelve, Menager. And then

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where did you move Ransom? I then went into the

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super yachting industry, so I didn't. I lived on a

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boat in Italy and south of France. Manager. Did you

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work for a company? Ransom? I worked for a private

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owner Menager on one yacht, Ransom on multiple yachts Menager?

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And what was your job Ransom stewardess, stewardess. And then

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I was a deccand manager with wine Ransom? Sorry, Menager,

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what's a decand Ransom? A dechand McAuley de eck Ransom? Sorry, Menager,

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Oh Dechand, I thought you were decanting wine. It's a

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pretty good job, Menager. Who is the owner of the

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ship Ransom? I'm not allowed to specify, Menager. Do you

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have a confidentiality agreement? Ransom? I did sign a confidentiality

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agreement when I started my employment. Manager And how long

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were you employed in super yachting? Ransom? Two and a

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half years Menager? Okay, and what did you do after that?

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I moved back to Cape Town? All right, folks, So

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we're gonna wrap up this part here and in the

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next episode we'll pick up where we left off. All

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of the information that goes with this episode can be

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found in the description box. What's up, everyone, and welcome

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back to the Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're gonna

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pick up where we left off with the Sarah Ransom deposition.

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In the last episode, we left off with Sarah saying

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that she moved back to Cape Town. Right back at

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it with Menager asking questions once again. Question, okay, and

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who did you live with when you move back to

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Cape Town? Ransom myself? Manager? And how long did you

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live there? Ransom? Four years? Manager? And you when did

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you move after that? Ransom? December? Yeah, it was December

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twenty fifteen. Sorry, it was December twenty fifteen. Manager. And

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where did you move Ransom? I moved from Kaytown to London? Manager?

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And how long did you live there? Ransom? Three months? Manager?

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And then where did you move Ransom? Barcelona? Manager? So

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in March twenty sixteen, Ransom, Sorry, no, just hang on, sorry,

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I moved to Barcelona around June June last year, Manager,

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twenty sixteen June Ransom, Yeah, Manager, you moved to Barcelona? Ransom, yeah. Manager.

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When you came to the US you said that was

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in two thousand and six, Ransom, correct? Manager? And who

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did you come with? Ransom myself? Manager? And who paid

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for the plane ticket? Ransom myself? Health manager. Why did

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you come Ransom? I wanted to advance my career? Manager?

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What year? Ransom? I wanted to go to FIT University? Manager.

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Did you have a student visa when you came in

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two thousand and six? Ransom no Menager. Had you applied

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to FIT when you came to New York in two

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thousand and six? Ransom, no manager. Did you have a

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job when you came here in two thousand and six? Ransom,

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No manager. Where did you stay when you got here

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in two thousand and six? Ransom the Upper east Side

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manager with whom Ransom it was just a housemate, house manager.

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What was the person's name, Ransom redacted? Manager? How do

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you spell redacted? Ransom? Redacted? Manager? And what's the last

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name of redacted? Ransom? I can't remember? Manager, male or female?

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Ransom male? Manager? How old Ransom? I think he was

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in his forties. Manager, And how did you meet redacted?

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I met redacted Javilla, I met him when? Why can't

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I remember? I think, yeah, I was looking for an

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apartment when I got here, so it was just like

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we just kind of met on the Upper east Side,

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and yeah, I said, I was looking for somewhere to stay. Manager.

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Did you pay rent? Ransom? Yes? Manager. How much did

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you pay Ransom? I can't remember, Menager. One thousand dollars

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Gurgis objection. Ransom. I think it was less than that. Manager.

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Did you have your own bedroom? Ransom? No? Manager was

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redacted the only other occupant? Ransom? There was another guy. Manager.

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Did you share a bed with anyone at that house? Ransom?

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With redacted? Manager? Were you in a relationship with redacted? Ransom? No, Menager,

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you slept in a bed with redacted in the apartment

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on the Upper east Side, Ransom, that's correct, Menager. What

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was the address of that apartment, Ransom? I can't remember. Manager.

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Do you have any way of reaching redact? Did now? Ransom? No? No,

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I don't Menager. Do you know approximately where in New

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York it was besides the Upper east Side? Ransom? I

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just remember it being the Upper east Side. I can't

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remember the exact location, Menager, any of the cross streets. Ransom.

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I went there the other day, and it looks it

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looks familiar. I can't. I can't remember specifically, Menager. You

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went to the apartment the other day, Ransom. No, I

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didn't go to the apartment the other day. I went

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to the Upper east Side yesterday the other day. Sorry,

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but I can't remember where the apartment was, no, Menager.

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Was it a walk up or a doorman or elevator

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kind of building? Ransom? It was an elevator building. Manager.

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Was there a doorman? Ransom? No manager? What floor were

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you on? Ransom? I can't remember, Menager, And you don't

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remember how you met redacted? Mister Gergis objection, Ransom. I

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met loads of people during that time. I can't specifically

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remember how I met every individual. Menager. And in the

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same house there was redacted and another guy, Ransom. That's correct.

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McAuley Objection mistakes to that. She's interrupted by Menager. Do

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you remember the other guy's name? Ransom? I can't remember, Menager.

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How long did you live with redacted and the other

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guy Ransom? For a I think it was a couple

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of months until I moved, Menager, And where did you move?

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Answer to Jeffrey Epstein's apartment? Menager, What was the address

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to that? Ransom? I think it was two thousand, sorry,

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two five East. It was midtown somewhere. Menager. I'm sorry, what, Ransom.

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It was sort of midtown. I'm not familiar with New

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York because I haven't been here and I don't live here.

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It was kind of midtown his apartment, Menager. Okay, Ransom,

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if I recall, yeah, Menager, so it's two five East something, Ransom,

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It's it's East something. It was the same It was

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the same apartment building that redacted lived in, because we

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lived in the same building. Manager. Did you live in

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the same apartment? Ransom? No, Menager. Did you have your

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own apartment? Ransom? Yes? Menager. How big was the apartment? Ransom?

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It was massive, Menager. How many bedrooms did it have? Ransom?

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I can't remember. I can't remember. I can't and she

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gets cut off by Menager. Two or seven? Ransom. I

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just I remember just the like the living room, and

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it was very spacious. Menager. Can you draw a picture

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of the layout of it? Ransom, I wouldn't remember the

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layout there was I remember, like a pale blue decor. Menager.

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And no one else lived there with you? Ransom? No, Menager?

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And you don't know how many bedrooms Ransom, I can't

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remember how many bedrooms there were? Menager. Was there a doorman? Ransom? Oh,

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I can't remember, Manager. Was it a walk up or elevator? Ransom? Elevator? Menager?

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What floor were you on? Ransom, I can't remember, Menager.

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Approximately when did you move into this apartment? Ransom? It

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was not long after I moved in with redacted, about

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two months, I think about two months, I think roughly, Menager.

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So you lived with redacted for about two months and

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then you moved into this other apartment, Ransom, that's correct, Menager.

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And how much were you paying for this new apartment? Ransom, Oh,

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it was Jeffrey's. I didn't pay a single thing, Menager.

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And who else lived in the apartment building? Answer? Quite

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a gosh, a few, actually, I recall redacted. So they're

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talking about the building on East sixty first Street here,

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and this is a building that Epstein owned with his

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brother Mark, and where a lot of these traffic girls

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had apartments. So just for a little clarification, Menager, do

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you know redacted's last name? Ransom? I can't remember her

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last name or redacted's last name. Meninger, Okay, who else? Ransom?

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There were a few other girls. I can't remember their names. Meninger,

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none of them, Ransom, No, it was a long time ago, Menager.

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What did they look like? These other women that you

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can't remember? Ransom, I can't remember. There were so many,

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There were so many girls, a constant influx of girls. Menainger.

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How many McCauley objection, Ransom, I can't remember, Menager. Fifty

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Gurgis objection, Ransom. I can't remember Menainger one hundred Gurgis objection, Ransom,

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I can't remember, Menager. Can you say if it was

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more than a thousand or less? Gurgis objection, Ransom. I

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can't remember, Menager. You can't remember if it was more

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than a thousand? Ransom. I can't remember. Gurgis objection. Macauley objection.

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This is harassing Gurgis a injection. We're crossing a line here, Menager. Okay,

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I'm asking if she can remember if it was more

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than a thousand or less McCauley. But you haven't defined it.

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You're not saying where in the apartment in general, when

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she met Jeffrey, I mean to this, Menager cuts her off.

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I'm asking her. She said there were so many women

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that there were an influx in the apartment, and I'm

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asking how many McAuley. She didn't say in the apartment.

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Go back and look at the testimony, Ransom in the

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apartment building, Menager, right in the building. How many females

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did you meet in the building? Gurgis objection, Ransom. I

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can't remember, Menager. And can you say it was more

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or less than one thousand? Gurgis objection, Ransom, It was

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less than a thousand girls, Menager. Was it less than

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one hundred? Ransom? Yes, it was less than one hundred, Menager?

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Was it less than fifty ransom? I can't remember, Menager?

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Apart from or dacted. Can you name any other one

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of the females that you met in the apartment building?

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Gurgis objection, Ransom. I can't remember, Menager. Can you describe

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any of them? Gurgis objection, Ransom. I can't remember, Menager.

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Did you do any employment while you were here in

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the US in the fall of two thousand and six?

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Gurgis objection, Ransom, I did freelance modeling manager. Who did

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you do that for? Ransom? Various photographers? Menager? Do you

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still have the photograph still? Ransom? No? Menager. Do you

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have a portfolio? Ransom? I used to have one. Manager.

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Do you currently have a portfolio? Ms McCauley objection, asked

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an answered, Ransom. Yeah, I got a couple. Manager. Where

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are they Ransom at home? Menager in Barcelona? Ransom, that's correct, Menager.

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Are they on a computer? Ransom? No. Manager. When you

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came to the US in the fall of two thousand

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and six, was there a limit on how long you

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could stay here? Mister Gergis objection, Ransom, Yes, there was, Menager.

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What was that? Ransom? It was a three month tourist

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visa manager. Were you permitted to be employed while you

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were here on a tourist visa? Gurgis objection. Hold on

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a second here, Menager. I don't know what kind of

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visa she was on. I'm just asking the question, Gurgis.

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I don't know why her visa status is relevant or

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why we're going to get into things that redacted might

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be interested in. So I'm not going to have her

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sit here and testify about whether she was complying with

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immigration law or not. Menager, is she taking the Fifth Amendment? Gurgis,

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I'm just not sure that you need to ask the question, Menager. Well,

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I did ask a question. I want to know if

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she was permitted on the type of visa she came

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in on the fall of two thousand and six to

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engage and paid work. Gurgis, Okay, now that I hear

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the question, you can answer it if you know the answer. Ransom, No, Menager, no,

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you were not permitted to do paid work, correct Ransom.

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That's correct. Manager, you did paid employment while you were

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here on the tourist visa, correct Ransom. I wouldn't quite say.

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I mean, I kind of. I wasn't that great at it,

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so I didn't make a lot of money doing modeling.

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I was too fat, apparently, so I wouldn't say I

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milked the bank there, Ransom, milk the bank with my

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modeling career. Then sarcastically, she adds, amazing modeling career. Manager,

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So you came over in order to further your education.

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I think you testified to earlier. Correct Ransom. That's correct. Manager.

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So while you were here during those three months, was

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it three months, you said at first on the tourist

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visa correct, Ransom, Yeah, Manager, When you were here those

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first three months, what did you do to further your education? Ransom?

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I started looking at universities or colleges, researching what was

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the right one for me to go to. By that stage,

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i've I've always been interested in the fashion industry, designing, clothes, designing,

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and New York was, well, this is the place to

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be for it. So yeah, I did quite a lot

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of research on which university, what kind of people there were,

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and etc. Etc. So, Manager, how were you supporting yourself

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while you were living in New York during the three

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month period after you initially arrived, Ransom, I had some savings. Manager,

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was your family providing you any money? Ransom? No, Manager,

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Apart from your savings, was there any other source of income?

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During October or so of two thousand and six, Ransom

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I did the occasional I guess job where I was

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called to entertain or spend time with people, but that

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was about it. Manager, What does that mean? Ransom? Well,

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I don't really like to use the word per se

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because you guys kind of in your legal minds have

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it in a box of what you think it is.

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But like once or twice, I was paid to spend

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dinner with a gentleman during that time, Menager. And how

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did you meet that gentleman Ransom? It was through an agency. Manager.

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What was the name of that agency? Ransom? I can't remember, Menager.

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Do you know where it was located? Ransom? No? Menager.

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Do you know how much you were paid to spend

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dinner with the gentleman Ransom? It depends on how long

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the dinner was? Four? Menager? And what was the most

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that you recall making for spending dinner with a gentleman

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Ransom fifteen hundred? Manager. Did you engage in any sexual

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relations with the gentleman Ransom? One? Yeah, once or twice,

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but it was on my own accord. It was after

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that time period had finished, Menager? What time period? Ransom?

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My appointment, my dinner with them? Menager? Okay, Ransom, he

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just happened to be really good looking. Gergis, it's been

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about an hour. Maybe we can take five minutes, Menager. Sure,

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So we're going to wrap up right here too, and

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in the next episode we'll pick up where we left off.

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