WEBVTT 1 00:00:03.640 --> 00:00:06.519 And I just turned around and I call ass out 2 00:00:06.519 --> 00:00:06.799 of there. 3 00:00:06.919 --> 00:00:08.160 I was done. 4 00:00:08.320 --> 00:00:12.320 I wasn't deal with them. 5 00:00:12.480 --> 00:00:15.240 The hypocrisy of the cult is one of the things 6 00:00:15.439 --> 00:00:16.600 that turned me. 7 00:00:16.559 --> 00:00:17.920 Away the quickest. 8 00:00:21.359 --> 00:00:23.839 When I turned my head lights on, it turned and 9 00:00:23.920 --> 00:00:27.039 looked at us. And one of the things I remember 10 00:00:27.079 --> 00:00:28.760 the most, where the eyes were glowing red. 11 00:00:31.280 --> 00:00:33.399 I see an orb of light. 12 00:00:34.039 --> 00:00:37.560 It is just circling these steps like it is waiting 13 00:00:37.640 --> 00:00:37.960 for me. 14 00:00:41.079 --> 00:00:45.159 And he begins to tell them that he saw UFO. 15 00:00:45.600 --> 00:00:47.359 They're basically like, what are you talking about. 16 00:00:51.000 --> 00:00:53.920 That's seven foot up on a tree, peeking around it, 17 00:00:54.240 --> 00:00:55.359 and that's where I saw. 18 00:00:55.240 --> 00:00:58.439 The top of the muzzle, noose and the eyes. As 19 00:00:58.479 --> 00:01:00.520 soon as I made eye contact with this thing. 20 00:01:00.640 --> 00:01:07.599 It don't like death. Welcome back, Cult listeners. This is 21 00:01:07.599 --> 00:01:12.439 Brandon with Tenfoil Tells bringing you another episode on this one. 22 00:01:12.439 --> 00:01:16.959 Today we're going to look into the red grid mark phenomena. 23 00:01:17.359 --> 00:01:20.040 If you're not familiar with that, it is a bunch 24 00:01:20.079 --> 00:01:22.239 of little red markings that come up to make some 25 00:01:22.519 --> 00:01:24.959 interesting patterns and shapes that people have been finding on 26 00:01:25.000 --> 00:01:28.319 their bodies. Today's episode is actually two episodes that I 27 00:01:28.400 --> 00:01:31.480 combined together from two different people that have had interviews 28 00:01:31.519 --> 00:01:34.719 with me. One is a researcher who has been studying 29 00:01:34.840 --> 00:01:36.799 the dream aspect to it, and the other one is 30 00:01:36.840 --> 00:01:39.439 an actual experiencer and he was one of the first 31 00:01:39.480 --> 00:01:43.040 interviews I'd ever conducted. Four ten foil Tells. It's definitely 32 00:01:43.040 --> 00:01:45.599 an interesting topic, one of the things that kind of 33 00:01:45.640 --> 00:01:48.359 got me interested in this whole podcasting thing and the 34 00:01:48.359 --> 00:01:50.920 phenomena in general. So I'm really looking forward for you 35 00:01:51.000 --> 00:01:53.359 guys to check it out. And if you're a fan 36 00:01:53.400 --> 00:01:55.959 of ten foil Tals, make sure to follow ten foil 37 00:01:56.000 --> 00:01:59.920 Tells wherever you listen to Cult of Conspiracy, So either 38 00:02:00.120 --> 00:02:04.400 on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, whichever program you're using to listen 39 00:02:04.439 --> 00:02:07.959 to podcast at, make sure to follow me there. I 40 00:02:08.000 --> 00:02:10.280 have been doing a new show with my friend ed 41 00:02:10.360 --> 00:02:14.840 Corilla every Thursday night live at nine pm Eastern Standard 42 00:02:14.879 --> 00:02:17.919 Time on YouTube called Seam Sus. We talk about all 43 00:02:17.919 --> 00:02:20.360 the weird conspiracies and things going on in the world 44 00:02:20.360 --> 00:02:23.719 and current events. If you're a fan of stuff like that, 45 00:02:23.800 --> 00:02:27.560 you may check out the tenfoil Tel's YouTube page. Again, 46 00:02:27.599 --> 00:02:30.840 that's every Thursday night at nine pm Eastern Standard time. 47 00:02:31.439 --> 00:02:33.759 You can also find seam Sus wherever you listen to 48 00:02:33.800 --> 00:02:36.560 podcast at just look for seam Sus and you can 49 00:02:36.639 --> 00:02:39.199 like and subscribe there too. You can also follow me 50 00:02:39.240 --> 00:02:42.319 around on social media Facebook and Instagram. There is an 51 00:02:42.520 --> 00:02:46.599 x as well, also a TikTok. I am currently finishing 52 00:02:46.680 --> 00:02:50.840 up my documentary, The Missisinobal Triangle. It should be available 53 00:02:50.960 --> 00:02:54.120 on certain platforms here in the near future. I will 54 00:02:54.159 --> 00:02:56.120 make sure to let everyone know that's interested in all 55 00:02:56.120 --> 00:02:58.199 the weird phenomena that goes on around here in my 56 00:02:58.280 --> 00:03:01.840 local area when that becomes a But on that note, 57 00:03:02.080 --> 00:03:04.319 we're going to jump into the conversations that I had 58 00:03:04.319 --> 00:03:07.199 with these fellas and I really hope you guys enjoy it. 59 00:03:09.840 --> 00:03:11.879 I like to take the time today welcome my guests 60 00:03:11.919 --> 00:03:14.719 to the show justin thanks for coming on here and 61 00:03:14.719 --> 00:03:17.280 talking with me about this. It's definitely something that I've 62 00:03:17.879 --> 00:03:21.039 just kind of stumbled across and find very interesting and 63 00:03:21.719 --> 00:03:23.800 figured started digging into it. 64 00:03:24.759 --> 00:03:27.960 Well. Thanks for having me on Red Gridmark phenomenon is 65 00:03:28.000 --> 00:03:32.680 definitely very interesting, especially if you're just being exposed to it, 66 00:03:32.719 --> 00:03:34.719 and I'm sure you have a lot of questions about it. 67 00:03:35.840 --> 00:03:37.599 Yeah, there's a lot of stuff like that I've been 68 00:03:37.680 --> 00:03:41.120 just kind of going through and looking into and now 69 00:03:41.159 --> 00:03:44.280 some of the stuff that I've seen almost looks like, well, 70 00:03:44.319 --> 00:03:46.319 maybe someone late on something of this and that. But 71 00:03:46.360 --> 00:03:49.319 when I've gotten it further looking into certain ones, it's like, 72 00:03:49.639 --> 00:03:53.919 all right, I can't explain how like a child has 73 00:03:53.919 --> 00:03:56.039 this on their head under their hairline, is like, and 74 00:03:56.080 --> 00:03:58.479 I really hope the parent wouldn't be putting something on 75 00:03:58.520 --> 00:04:00.280 there to make this happen. I was like, but when 76 00:04:00.280 --> 00:04:02.879 you start messing with kids, that's where I'm like, all right, 77 00:04:04.199 --> 00:04:07.439 kind of are the parents doing something really going on? 78 00:04:07.520 --> 00:04:09.800 It's like, are you really crossing that line? 79 00:04:10.719 --> 00:04:13.719 Those are really good examples, especially like the forehead marks, 80 00:04:13.759 --> 00:04:17.399 because it's pretty easy to tell if your child like 81 00:04:17.480 --> 00:04:21.519 hit the trampoline head first, and obviously they weren't sitting 82 00:04:21.519 --> 00:04:24.279 on a bench with holes in it on their forehead, 83 00:04:24.600 --> 00:04:27.480 So it becomes really unexplainable. When you see cases like that, 84 00:04:27.759 --> 00:04:31.079 or some of the really complex marks that are the 85 00:04:31.199 --> 00:04:34.759 large circles with intricate patterns in them, it becomes really 86 00:04:35.079 --> 00:04:39.639 hard to explain. But you're right, that's a common critical 87 00:04:39.720 --> 00:04:42.199 analysis of them as well. Did you sit on a bench? 88 00:04:42.240 --> 00:04:44.800 What fabrics do you have? But once you kind of 89 00:04:44.839 --> 00:04:49.279 dig deeper into this phenomenon, you realize that it's remarkably consistent, 90 00:04:49.319 --> 00:04:53.519 and it displays an intelligence, especially for people to get 91 00:04:53.519 --> 00:04:56.800 the patterns on repeat, like myself, and you can start 92 00:04:56.839 --> 00:04:58.560 to predict when you're going to get them, which is 93 00:04:58.639 --> 00:05:04.839 really strange. And another interesting thing about the phenomenon is 94 00:05:04.920 --> 00:05:08.360 how many people get the exact same marks. So one 95 00:05:08.360 --> 00:05:12.000 of the most common ones you'll see is women, mostly women, 96 00:05:12.120 --> 00:05:15.399 frequently get a mark on their left wrist. So if 97 00:05:15.399 --> 00:05:17.000 you go through the group and you take a look, 98 00:05:17.040 --> 00:05:20.199 you'll see dozens and dozens of people reporting the exact 99 00:05:20.240 --> 00:05:23.319 same mark on their left wrist and they don't know 100 00:05:23.319 --> 00:05:24.079 how it got there. 101 00:05:24.639 --> 00:05:28.560 Now, is there something that I know? Like the question 102 00:05:28.600 --> 00:05:30.680 would be, well, they're wearing something that would cause us 103 00:05:30.720 --> 00:05:32.879 or they have like a reaction. But again, if you 104 00:05:32.920 --> 00:05:36.160 actually look into this, the patterns are all the same 105 00:05:36.240 --> 00:05:39.360 on certain things, and it's like, well, I it's a reaction. 106 00:05:39.480 --> 00:05:41.959 That's strange that everyone would be having the exact same 107 00:05:42.040 --> 00:05:45.040 reaction in the exact same pattern style. You think it 108 00:05:45.040 --> 00:05:49.000 would be a little bit different than what everyone else 109 00:05:49.160 --> 00:05:49.600 is having. 110 00:05:50.639 --> 00:05:54.959 Yes, And there's definitely pressure marks that you can replicate, 111 00:05:55.439 --> 00:05:58.959 usually with great force against like a grid advent or 112 00:05:59.000 --> 00:06:02.199 something like that. You can definitely do it. But the 113 00:06:02.279 --> 00:06:04.079 thing about the red grid marks is a lot of 114 00:06:04.079 --> 00:06:06.959 the times they're kind of just like that where they're 115 00:06:07.000 --> 00:06:09.519 below the surface of the skin, so there's no irritation 116 00:06:09.639 --> 00:06:13.000 on top, there's no pain. There's really no symptoms that 117 00:06:13.040 --> 00:06:15.720 go along with the red grid marks, except for some 118 00:06:15.759 --> 00:06:18.639 of the things we found, like strange dreams some people 119 00:06:18.680 --> 00:06:21.839 report having. I've never had them. But what's weird about 120 00:06:21.879 --> 00:06:25.000 the strange dreams is everybody will report that the subject 121 00:06:25.040 --> 00:06:28.600 of the dream has something to do with a strange visitor. 122 00:06:28.600 --> 00:06:31.839 So it might be an object, a relative that has 123 00:06:31.879 --> 00:06:34.600 passed on, but it's always like some sort of visitor. 124 00:06:35.560 --> 00:06:39.360 But back to the topic of it being in the skin. 125 00:06:41.839 --> 00:06:44.720 That is really interesting when you see it, like you said, 126 00:06:44.759 --> 00:06:47.639 on somebody's face, right, these pressure marks, how do they 127 00:06:47.680 --> 00:06:50.399 get there on people's faces? And then why do they 128 00:06:50.439 --> 00:06:54.360 happen repetitively in these same exact areas. 129 00:06:54.800 --> 00:06:56.920 I've looked into some stuff a little bit about it, 130 00:06:56.959 --> 00:07:00.240 and i just browse them through like the photo, some 131 00:07:00.240 --> 00:07:03.160 people's comments, and I've googled some stuff, which that really 132 00:07:03.160 --> 00:07:07.519 doesn't help matters because there's a lot of hair brain 133 00:07:07.680 --> 00:07:10.279 theories about people doing this for attention. I'm just like, 134 00:07:10.360 --> 00:07:12.079 I don't see why people will do it when I 135 00:07:12.120 --> 00:07:13.600 go back to the whole things with kids, like why 136 00:07:13.639 --> 00:07:16.120 would someone press something against their child's face? 137 00:07:16.759 --> 00:07:20.360 Okay, so yeah, it's so obscure that to do it 138 00:07:20.399 --> 00:07:23.839 for attention is not really a valid argument because you're 139 00:07:23.839 --> 00:07:25.800 going to post it on what our group and get 140 00:07:25.800 --> 00:07:29.079 two likes. It just doesn't make any sense. Plus, you're 141 00:07:29.199 --> 00:07:32.040 part of a waterfall of people with the exact same stuff, 142 00:07:32.079 --> 00:07:34.199 so it's not like you're really standing out at all. 143 00:07:35.160 --> 00:07:37.079 Let me tell you my story with the redgrid marks 144 00:07:37.120 --> 00:07:40.040 and how I came to such a conclusion that it 145 00:07:40.079 --> 00:07:44.160 needed to really have more eyes on it. So I 146 00:07:44.160 --> 00:07:47.879 believe it was twenty fourteen or twenty fifteen. I was 147 00:07:47.920 --> 00:07:50.399 at my friend's house and she said, what is on 148 00:07:50.439 --> 00:07:54.560 your neck? And I had on my left shoulder going 149 00:07:54.680 --> 00:07:57.360 all the way over the trap muscle and kind of 150 00:07:57.399 --> 00:07:59.800 down my back in a grady, and I had these large, 151 00:08:00.199 --> 00:08:03.199 probably half inch red dots and they were going up 152 00:08:03.240 --> 00:08:06.399 my neck, totally observable to anybody looking at me, and 153 00:08:06.480 --> 00:08:09.240 they seemed to have just suddenly showed up. So my 154 00:08:09.279 --> 00:08:12.279 friend said, what the heck is that? And I said, 155 00:08:12.279 --> 00:08:14.720 I have no idea. I don't know where it came 156 00:08:14.759 --> 00:08:17.240 from or what happened. So that was the first time 157 00:08:17.240 --> 00:08:19.120 I ever got the marks, and I googled them, and 158 00:08:19.160 --> 00:08:22.000 at that time there were maybe a handful of pictures 159 00:08:22.000 --> 00:08:25.199 of other people's red grid marks, which is what I 160 00:08:25.199 --> 00:08:30.920 stumbled upon. And there wasn't really anything, no communities, nothing 161 00:08:30.959 --> 00:08:32.720 on the internet about it at that time, just a 162 00:08:32.799 --> 00:08:36.399 sort of strange four or five cases. So as the 163 00:08:36.480 --> 00:08:40.120 years went on, I kept getting them, and my girlfriend 164 00:08:40.120 --> 00:08:43.279 would notice them on my back, and they moved from 165 00:08:43.279 --> 00:08:46.360 my shoulder and became consistent on my back, and I've 166 00:08:46.360 --> 00:08:51.159 had really undeniable patterns, like I had dots running all 167 00:08:51.200 --> 00:08:54.440 the way down my spine, which and they were very 168 00:08:54.600 --> 00:08:57.360 very dark, So it's not something that I slept on 169 00:08:57.440 --> 00:08:59.799 or sat on a bench. But I started to get 170 00:09:00.279 --> 00:09:03.120 a couple of times a year, and I started to 171 00:09:03.200 --> 00:09:08.879 notice that I got them on the last Saturday in May, 172 00:09:09.759 --> 00:09:12.519 so right as the last Saturday in May, it would occur. 173 00:09:12.559 --> 00:09:14.200 It didn't matter what time I would go to sleep, 174 00:09:14.279 --> 00:09:16.279 or if I would try to record it or whatever, 175 00:09:16.279 --> 00:09:18.919 you wouldn't get anything. But when I would go to sleep, 176 00:09:19.320 --> 00:09:20.840 I would get a mark on my back, so it 177 00:09:20.840 --> 00:09:24.080 would be I remember back then it was like hexagons 178 00:09:24.879 --> 00:09:27.759 or just patches of the red grid marks on the 179 00:09:27.759 --> 00:09:30.440 top left of my back or the lower right, or 180 00:09:30.519 --> 00:09:34.639 sometimes both. And this became so consistent that I knew 181 00:09:34.639 --> 00:09:36.559 exactly when I was going to get the marks. Even 182 00:09:36.559 --> 00:09:39.919 if you look up in the group some of my posts, 183 00:09:39.960 --> 00:09:43.879 I'll say, hey, it's this time of year again, We're 184 00:09:43.919 --> 00:09:45.840 going to see if it shows up, And of course 185 00:09:45.879 --> 00:09:48.840 a lot of the time it does, even though recently 186 00:09:49.120 --> 00:09:52.159 it stopped and the pattern changed, which is interesting. But 187 00:09:52.279 --> 00:09:54.360 for years I was able to predict when it would 188 00:09:54.399 --> 00:09:56.399 show up. And then I started to find other people 189 00:09:56.720 --> 00:09:58.879 in the group since I started it, and people started 190 00:09:58.879 --> 00:10:01.879 to snowball in that had the same things happening to them. 191 00:10:01.879 --> 00:10:04.159 They would get it either once a month in the 192 00:10:04.240 --> 00:10:07.879 exact same spots or in similar spots, or they would 193 00:10:07.919 --> 00:10:10.080 get it consistently, and they would never be able to 194 00:10:10.120 --> 00:10:12.000 predict when it was happening, but they would know they 195 00:10:12.000 --> 00:10:14.919 would get it again. So that's been my journey so 196 00:10:15.000 --> 00:10:17.960 far with it, besides just starting the group and kind 197 00:10:18.000 --> 00:10:20.840 of collecting massive amounts of data to see what's going on. 198 00:10:21.399 --> 00:10:24.159 But from my point of view, it's ex I mean, 199 00:10:24.360 --> 00:10:27.240 it may not be supernatural, right, but it's definitely a 200 00:10:27.279 --> 00:10:31.279 phenomenon that's happening. And it's unrelated to material objects in 201 00:10:31.279 --> 00:10:34.919 my opinion, because my habits are exactly the same. I'll 202 00:10:35.000 --> 00:10:38.279 go someplace new, I'll go on a vacation, I'll still 203 00:10:38.320 --> 00:10:43.080 get the marks. They'll be extremely present and like down 204 00:10:43.120 --> 00:10:45.679 my spine, even if I'm going to the beach. So 205 00:10:45.720 --> 00:10:48.200 it doesn't seem like it's trying to be secretive. But 206 00:10:48.279 --> 00:10:53.480 it's also displaying really strong characteristics of intelligent timing, which 207 00:10:53.519 --> 00:10:56.440 is the most baffling thing, or intelligent placement, like on 208 00:10:56.480 --> 00:10:58.159 the left wrist over and over again. 209 00:10:58.879 --> 00:11:01.759 Have you ever had anyone like professional like doctor wise, 210 00:11:01.799 --> 00:11:03.799 like a dermatologist or anything look into it. 211 00:11:04.679 --> 00:11:08.399 No, it's hard to it's hard to jump to a 212 00:11:08.440 --> 00:11:11.399 doctor as soon as it happens. They also fade usually 213 00:11:11.399 --> 00:11:15.039 in two to three days. But there have been probably 214 00:11:15.039 --> 00:11:17.039 about a dozen or two dozen people in the group 215 00:11:17.120 --> 00:11:20.480 so far that have shown doctors, and it's always inconclusive. 216 00:11:20.720 --> 00:11:22.879 They don't know what it is, and so they can't 217 00:11:23.159 --> 00:11:25.360 usually rule on it if they have no idea what 218 00:11:25.440 --> 00:11:28.720 it is, but they always say, you know, come back 219 00:11:28.759 --> 00:11:30.879 if it gets worse, not sure what it is. One 220 00:11:30.879 --> 00:11:33.320 of them even joked one time and put aliens as 221 00:11:33.360 --> 00:11:40.200 a diagnosis. But yeah, yeah, great sense of humor there 222 00:11:40.240 --> 00:11:42.440 from that doctor. But that seems to be the general 223 00:11:42.519 --> 00:11:45.639 consensus is nobody really knows what it is, but it's 224 00:11:45.679 --> 00:11:51.039 not a problem because it never produces pain, scratchiness, swelling, 225 00:11:51.120 --> 00:11:51.879 anything like that. 226 00:11:52.639 --> 00:11:54.840 It's funny you mentioned the alien thing, because that's kind 227 00:11:54.840 --> 00:11:56.799 of what I keep coming back to, and that's how 228 00:11:56.799 --> 00:11:59.960 I've actually discovered it because I was in an alien 229 00:12:00.080 --> 00:12:03.639 abduction group and then somehow people have posted that and 230 00:12:03.799 --> 00:12:07.360 related that to their abduction. I was like, h so 231 00:12:07.399 --> 00:12:09.399 I started looking at that's how I come across the group. 232 00:12:09.440 --> 00:12:11.480 I was like, well, maybe there is more to this. 233 00:12:12.679 --> 00:12:17.240 So it's hard to rationalize that it's not some sort 234 00:12:17.279 --> 00:12:22.200 of advanced technology because it's obviously an artificial design, like 235 00:12:22.240 --> 00:12:24.960 you would see that humans would make, like a grid 236 00:12:25.080 --> 00:12:28.919 or a lattice, or they display a really good complexity, 237 00:12:29.039 --> 00:12:32.279 sometimes being in a circle a complete circle, or a 238 00:12:32.320 --> 00:12:35.240 line a straight line. So that's typically not something you 239 00:12:35.240 --> 00:12:39.240 would accidentally have happened to you. An articulated complex design 240 00:12:39.320 --> 00:12:41.639 perfectly pressed into you a thigh or something like that. 241 00:12:42.279 --> 00:12:46.480 But if I had to hypothesize, I've spent a lot 242 00:12:46.480 --> 00:12:48.799 of time thinking about this and looking at, you know, 243 00:12:48.879 --> 00:12:53.440 the effects, but I would think that it's some sort 244 00:12:53.480 --> 00:12:59.240 of long range radiation based or laser or some sort 245 00:12:59.240 --> 00:13:04.080 of technology that's radiation based. And I'm guessing, but I 246 00:13:04.120 --> 00:13:07.960 think that it's some sort of like communicative device. Whether 247 00:13:08.000 --> 00:13:11.399 it's taking data from the cells that it's interacting with 248 00:13:11.919 --> 00:13:14.679 or altering data, I don't know, but it seems like 249 00:13:14.720 --> 00:13:17.600 it would be a long range biopsy device if I 250 00:13:17.639 --> 00:13:20.279 had to guess. But hey, prove me wrong. That's what 251 00:13:20.320 --> 00:13:21.960 I'm always saying in the group. I would love to 252 00:13:22.559 --> 00:13:26.159 hear contrasting hypothesis is, but it's for me that's kind 253 00:13:26.200 --> 00:13:27.360 of the box that it sits in. 254 00:13:28.879 --> 00:13:31.919 I actually have an interview coming out on Tuesday in 255 00:13:31.919 --> 00:13:35.200 the next upcoming episode, and it's with a doctor from 256 00:13:35.320 --> 00:13:40.559 Greece and he's actually been looking into like, what do 257 00:13:40.600 --> 00:13:43.000 you to describe as alien im plants. People have been 258 00:13:43.039 --> 00:13:45.240 sending him stuff that they found in their bodies that 259 00:13:45.279 --> 00:13:49.240 are strange and I actually mentioned this to him about 260 00:13:49.399 --> 00:13:51.320 these red grid patterns, and he said he's seen some 261 00:13:51.320 --> 00:13:55.480 stuff about it too, And I'm bringing up his message 262 00:13:55.559 --> 00:13:59.559 right now to say what his hypothesis is. He said 263 00:13:59.600 --> 00:14:02.559 that his theory is there like a leftover burn from 264 00:14:02.639 --> 00:14:06.279 lying on a sterile tables, keeping self clean by use 265 00:14:06.360 --> 00:14:08.679 some sort of energy. If one part of your body 266 00:14:08.720 --> 00:14:10.720 presses too much on an area or stays that way, 267 00:14:11.240 --> 00:14:12.960 it too can get like a small burn pattern. 268 00:14:13.799 --> 00:14:17.879 But that's just I've heard that hypp for I think 269 00:14:17.919 --> 00:14:20.720 he's got to get he's got to roll up his 270 00:14:20.759 --> 00:14:22.840 sleeves and get into the phenomenon to see that it's 271 00:14:22.919 --> 00:14:26.600 definitely long range based. I have a survey that I 272 00:14:26.639 --> 00:14:31.600 put together. It's about sixty questions popular questions try to 273 00:14:31.639 --> 00:14:36.200 dispel some notions or urban legends kind of that we're 274 00:14:36.200 --> 00:14:38.919 floating around the group. So I got about one hundred 275 00:14:38.919 --> 00:14:41.960 and sixty two hundred people to take it over the 276 00:14:42.240 --> 00:14:45.159 last two years. And the data is really cool because 277 00:14:45.159 --> 00:14:47.879 some of the stuff that it shows is almost half, 278 00:14:48.080 --> 00:14:50.039 well a little bit less than half of the marks 279 00:14:50.440 --> 00:14:54.519 are probably happening during the daytime, which means that there's 280 00:14:54.559 --> 00:14:59.399 no break in time, there's no missing time, there's no 281 00:14:59.639 --> 00:15:02.480 there does doesn't seem to be any surface Like I'm 282 00:15:02.639 --> 00:15:10.120 pretty well familiar with aduction phenomenon right, missing time, seeing UFOs, visitations, 283 00:15:10.159 --> 00:15:12.639 strange dreams, stuff like that. And I think the only 284 00:15:12.679 --> 00:15:17.399 box that checks is strange dreams because they appeared during 285 00:15:17.399 --> 00:15:22.080 the daytime or while people are awake, not rarely, but 286 00:15:22.399 --> 00:15:24.159 enough for us to get a picture of what it 287 00:15:24.159 --> 00:15:27.600 looks like. So one woman reported that she was driving 288 00:15:27.639 --> 00:15:31.080 down the road at night and her left hand you 289 00:15:31.200 --> 00:15:35.039 get this left hand again, started intensely burning and then 290 00:15:35.200 --> 00:15:38.480 just stopped and she was like, what in the world. 291 00:15:38.519 --> 00:15:40.679 And she was driving at night, so she couldn't really 292 00:15:40.679 --> 00:15:42.879 see anything, but she pulled over when she got to 293 00:15:42.919 --> 00:15:46.639 the next shopping center gas station and turned on the lights, 294 00:15:47.080 --> 00:15:50.320 and she had the left wrist red gridmark on her hand. 295 00:15:51.080 --> 00:15:54.240 So there's also been a video of one showing up 296 00:15:54.480 --> 00:15:58.759 and that was really interesting because you could clearly see 297 00:15:58.840 --> 00:16:02.679 she didn't report burning, but you could see raised lines, 298 00:16:03.559 --> 00:16:07.639 like straight lines that formed in the skin. And believe 299 00:16:07.639 --> 00:16:09.320 it or not, this is in the exact same place 300 00:16:09.320 --> 00:16:12.559 on the left hand, the left wrist, and those straight 301 00:16:12.639 --> 00:16:16.320 lines like almost like veins in rows, lifted up out 302 00:16:16.320 --> 00:16:19.200 of her skin just a little bit like it was swelling, 303 00:16:19.600 --> 00:16:21.200 and then when it went back down she had the 304 00:16:21.200 --> 00:16:23.879 red grid mark pattern on her left wrist, So that 305 00:16:23.960 --> 00:16:27.559 to me shows me that I don't think it's an 306 00:16:27.600 --> 00:16:33.200 abduction related phenomenon. But you know, if extraterrestrials are interested 307 00:16:33.240 --> 00:16:36.639 in stuff like implants, and they're interested in biometric data, 308 00:16:37.000 --> 00:16:39.320 and this may be another way of obtaining it, who knows. 309 00:16:40.840 --> 00:16:44.120 I've kind of looked at it from is it something 310 00:16:44.159 --> 00:16:48.000 that we're doing to ourselves without realizing it? And possibly 311 00:16:48.639 --> 00:16:52.320 my thing is you keep mentioning a left wrist. Has 312 00:16:52.360 --> 00:16:55.159 anyone ever asked or looked into if these people have, 313 00:16:55.279 --> 00:16:58.720 like say, like an Apple Watch or any sort of 314 00:16:59.519 --> 00:17:03.720 digital device around like for this marks show up. Sometimes 315 00:17:03.840 --> 00:17:07.720 I'm thinking maybe like it's an electronic even they claim 316 00:17:07.759 --> 00:17:10.480 some of these films can put off like the heat 317 00:17:10.480 --> 00:17:12.319 from a phone or something, but I don't see how 318 00:17:12.319 --> 00:17:14.279 it would be a grid pattern or something like that. 319 00:17:15.240 --> 00:17:17.759 Yeah, I mean, we usually just let people self report. 320 00:17:17.839 --> 00:17:20.000 There doesn't seem to be like a prevalence of people 321 00:17:20.039 --> 00:17:22.640 that do wear anything and then get the mark. Most 322 00:17:22.640 --> 00:17:24.440 of people are like, well, I don't wear anything on 323 00:17:24.480 --> 00:17:28.079 that wrist, But don't let me dissuade you into thinking 324 00:17:28.119 --> 00:17:30.839 that the left wrist mark is the average, because it's 325 00:17:30.880 --> 00:17:36.200 not the data from our survey shows that overwhelmingly the 326 00:17:36.319 --> 00:17:40.160 average red grid mark happens in June most of the time, 327 00:17:40.680 --> 00:17:43.079 and it's on the upper or lower back, so that's 328 00:17:43.119 --> 00:17:46.200 where most of them are happening, probably like fifty to 329 00:17:46.240 --> 00:17:50.160 sixty percent of them. And the left grid mark or 330 00:17:50.200 --> 00:17:53.960 the left wrist one just I find really fascinating because 331 00:17:53.960 --> 00:17:57.839 it's a clear evidence that they use the exact same 332 00:17:57.880 --> 00:18:01.079 spot over and over again. And it's not like it's 333 00:18:01.160 --> 00:18:03.519 just randomly somewhere on the left wrist. It's kind of 334 00:18:03.559 --> 00:18:06.960 on the right side of the left wrist, extending up 335 00:18:07.039 --> 00:18:10.160 towards the index finger. And I'm sure you've seen the 336 00:18:10.200 --> 00:18:12.839 pictures in the group, but that's its exact placement. And 337 00:18:12.880 --> 00:18:15.559 you get so many people that get this mark, it's 338 00:18:15.559 --> 00:18:19.079 almost like a priority item for them to get it 339 00:18:19.119 --> 00:18:20.119 in that exact spot. 340 00:18:20.519 --> 00:18:23.400 I was looking into something and again this is happening 341 00:18:23.440 --> 00:18:25.880 to go through Google or whatever else, and someone was 342 00:18:25.920 --> 00:18:28.839 saying it's like a fungo bacterial thing. Someone said like 343 00:18:28.920 --> 00:18:30.720 ring worm. I was like, I've had ringworm when I 344 00:18:30.759 --> 00:18:32.519 was younger. It didn't look anything like this. 345 00:18:33.440 --> 00:18:37.079 No, it's I've seen there's a Mayo clinic thread where 346 00:18:37.079 --> 00:18:40.200 people have been discussing it for years and kind of 347 00:18:40.200 --> 00:18:44.119 going around in the circular arguments that are initially dispelled 348 00:18:44.119 --> 00:18:46.160 in our group, which is why the group is so fun. 349 00:18:46.200 --> 00:18:48.519 You can just throw those away. We all know it happens. 350 00:18:49.640 --> 00:18:54.079 And one of them in there is referencing this inflammation 351 00:18:54.240 --> 00:18:57.119 from a caterpillar that only exists in certain parts of 352 00:18:57.119 --> 00:19:00.599 the world. But again, it's like, yeah, that's nowhere near 353 00:19:00.680 --> 00:19:02.880 me or any of these people that are spread out 354 00:19:02.880 --> 00:19:06.400 all across the world, So it can't possibly be that 355 00:19:06.519 --> 00:19:09.880 happening over and over and over again. It's just no 356 00:19:09.880 --> 00:19:13.000 matter what, I haven't seen a good explanation for it yet, 357 00:19:13.039 --> 00:19:16.160 because no matter what explanation you have for it, you 358 00:19:16.200 --> 00:19:20.160 can rotate and get a different element. But what about 359 00:19:20.160 --> 00:19:24.200 the intelligent timing every year That doesn't explain the caterpillar 360 00:19:24.319 --> 00:19:29.400 hypothesis or you know, pressure from a bench or something 361 00:19:30.000 --> 00:19:34.039 doesn't explain the intelligent timing or the consistent placements. So 362 00:19:35.000 --> 00:19:37.759 I think whatever it is really doesn't want to be 363 00:19:38.640 --> 00:19:43.160 identified at all. And I think it makes me think 364 00:19:43.240 --> 00:19:48.119 because of the consistent timing and the complex shapes, that 365 00:19:48.200 --> 00:19:52.400 there's some purpose behind it. It's not accidental or fungal 366 00:19:53.920 --> 00:19:58.240 but that comes out of looking at probably thousands of 367 00:19:58.279 --> 00:20:02.200 cases at this point. Now, here's another interesting thing that 368 00:20:02.279 --> 00:20:05.640 just occurred to me that shows me that it's not 369 00:20:06.759 --> 00:20:11.079 an accident. So at times you can clearly see the 370 00:20:11.119 --> 00:20:13.640 shape of the mark, and you can clearly see that 371 00:20:13.720 --> 00:20:18.440 it was incompletely applied. So you'll have a circle, right 372 00:20:19.079 --> 00:20:22.000 is the intention of the mark with a dot pattern 373 00:20:22.039 --> 00:20:25.119 in the middle, and you'll see that they got the 374 00:20:25.160 --> 00:20:27.720 angle wrong or something, and so you only get half 375 00:20:27.759 --> 00:20:30.680 of the circle. And what they'll do if that happens 376 00:20:30.759 --> 00:20:34.359 is they reapply it and then you get the full circle. 377 00:20:35.000 --> 00:20:38.680 So to me, it shows that there can be error 378 00:20:39.039 --> 00:20:43.319 in application, which means that there is an intended application 379 00:20:43.440 --> 00:20:47.960 of this mark. If it was spreading from a fungal phenomenon, 380 00:20:48.400 --> 00:20:51.799 it wouldn't have to reapply itself twice and then shift 381 00:20:51.839 --> 00:20:53.640 over a little bit so it got the complete mark. 382 00:20:54.279 --> 00:20:56.640 It's definitely, no matter what way you look at it, 383 00:20:57.400 --> 00:20:59.519 artificial in origin in my opinion. 384 00:21:00.359 --> 00:21:02.799 And if it's reapplying itself, as shows there's some sort 385 00:21:02.839 --> 00:21:04.079 of intelligence behind it. 386 00:21:04.960 --> 00:21:07.880 Yeah, and intention it has to be correctly applied. 387 00:21:08.160 --> 00:21:11.640 Yeah, that's weird very much. 388 00:21:11.519 --> 00:21:14.319 So never gets any more normal with red goridmark. It's 389 00:21:14.400 --> 00:21:18.200 just a hole that keeps getting getting dug up without 390 00:21:18.279 --> 00:21:20.759 anything being found. Like, uh, oak Island. 391 00:21:21.319 --> 00:21:25.759 Yeah, I looked a little bit into Oak Island years 392 00:21:25.759 --> 00:21:27.599 and years and years ago. Then the TV show came 393 00:21:27.640 --> 00:21:31.039 out and I think it's I tried to watch that show, 394 00:21:31.079 --> 00:21:32.400 but I don't watch it anymore. 395 00:21:33.279 --> 00:21:36.119 But I had fun watching a couple of seasons, and 396 00:21:36.119 --> 00:21:39.279 then I was like this, this isn't going anywhere. If 397 00:21:39.279 --> 00:21:40.799 they find something, I'll read about it. 398 00:21:41.400 --> 00:21:43.079 Yeah, that's kind of how I am like this time, 399 00:21:43.319 --> 00:21:46.920 Like it's I don't find it as entertaining that did 400 00:21:46.960 --> 00:21:50.359 like the first two seasons. But yeah, as far as 401 00:21:50.400 --> 00:21:54.440 the pattern stuff goes, like I can't wrap my brain 402 00:21:54.480 --> 00:21:56.279 around it because I know some people are, oh, they've 403 00:21:56.440 --> 00:21:58.759 set across from a drain and the pressure from the 404 00:21:58.799 --> 00:22:00.680 suction from the drain caused I was like, well, people 405 00:22:00.680 --> 00:22:03.240 would know if they were against a drain. And I 406 00:22:03.279 --> 00:22:05.640 still go back to like the little kid's faces and 407 00:22:05.599 --> 00:22:07.720 stuff like who would do that to their kid? Who's 408 00:22:07.720 --> 00:22:09.559 gonna put their kid on against a drain? You know, 409 00:22:09.880 --> 00:22:11.279 like that's I mean. 410 00:22:11.519 --> 00:22:13.920 Even if it is, even if there are people that 411 00:22:14.079 --> 00:22:17.480 either fake it or mistake it it's less than one percent. 412 00:22:17.799 --> 00:22:21.400 Most of the people in that group are only there 413 00:22:21.480 --> 00:22:24.559 because they're concerned about it, and they said, what the 414 00:22:24.599 --> 00:22:27.680 heck is this? And they start googling, and then they 415 00:22:27.680 --> 00:22:30.960 find resources for red grid mark and then they joined 416 00:22:30.960 --> 00:22:33.920 the group. So that's usually the pipeline by which it 417 00:22:33.960 --> 00:22:37.160 happens if somebody is genuinely interested, and they typically don't 418 00:22:37.200 --> 00:22:40.720 find the phenomenon unless they're having to google red grid 419 00:22:40.759 --> 00:22:42.839 marks on skin or something like that. 420 00:22:45.000 --> 00:22:47.880 Strangely enough, and it's not a grid pattern, but my 421 00:22:48.000 --> 00:22:52.480 daughter came home from school and this was on Friday, 422 00:22:52.519 --> 00:22:54.119 and she lifted her arm up and she's got like 423 00:22:54.160 --> 00:22:59.119 this big red, scrapish looking mark on her left upper 424 00:22:59.240 --> 00:23:01.240 arm up by her arm. And my wife's like, what 425 00:23:01.240 --> 00:23:03.480 did you do? She's like, what she's like on your 426 00:23:03.519 --> 00:23:05.240 bottle of your arm. She didn't even know it was there, 427 00:23:05.279 --> 00:23:06.759 and we got looking at it. I took a picture. 428 00:23:06.799 --> 00:23:09.000 I was like, it's not a grid pattery they have like, 429 00:23:09.000 --> 00:23:11.200 but that's very strange that she has no idea what 430 00:23:11.240 --> 00:23:13.000 it is and it looks like it's scraped and like 431 00:23:13.640 --> 00:23:15.359 her skid's like peeled on some of the stuff, and 432 00:23:15.440 --> 00:23:17.279 she has no idea what it's from. I was like, well, 433 00:23:18.240 --> 00:23:21.559 did you do something to school? She's like, no, I. 434 00:23:21.519 --> 00:23:24.200 Don't know luctually, because yeah, if you think it's an 435 00:23:24.200 --> 00:23:26.640 abrasion or something, you think you'd remember it from, you know, 436 00:23:26.720 --> 00:23:28.160 getting hurt or something. 437 00:23:29.079 --> 00:23:31.359 We'd like to do something to school anything. She's like, no, 438 00:23:31.400 --> 00:23:34.599 it looks like almost like a rope burn It's like, 439 00:23:34.640 --> 00:23:37.519 but it's long. It's like four or five inches long 440 00:23:37.559 --> 00:23:40.599 and about maybe two inches wide. Like it's a scrape 441 00:23:40.680 --> 00:23:42.799 right down towards her armbit like her she had her 442 00:23:42.839 --> 00:23:44.960 arm against something is scraped it, but she doesn't remember 443 00:23:45.000 --> 00:23:46.720 anything about it, Like it looks like it would hurt. 444 00:23:48.079 --> 00:23:51.839 I had a similar marking I was. I'm an occultist also, 445 00:23:51.920 --> 00:23:55.359 and I have been for fifteen years. Not that that's 446 00:23:55.599 --> 00:23:58.319 a regular thing with red gridmark people some of them are, 447 00:23:58.400 --> 00:24:01.440 but just a normal distribution and of new age people. 448 00:24:02.000 --> 00:24:07.000 But I'm heavily into evocation and working with goalletic demons 449 00:24:07.000 --> 00:24:10.400 and stuff, and I find them very pleasant, you know, 450 00:24:10.880 --> 00:24:13.440 not really anything worth being afraid of, as long as 451 00:24:13.480 --> 00:24:16.839 you're respectful, and I have a friendly demeanor about you. 452 00:24:17.240 --> 00:24:20.319 But anyways, I was working with one one time and 453 00:24:21.039 --> 00:24:23.880 I had a pleasant interaction with it. I had some 454 00:24:25.119 --> 00:24:29.759 good phenomenon happen. But when I left the shed and 455 00:24:30.079 --> 00:24:32.119 my temple shed set up and I went back insaiw It, 456 00:24:32.200 --> 00:24:33.880 I took off my shirt to get in the shower 457 00:24:34.240 --> 00:24:37.279 and I had like three long claw marks down my 458 00:24:37.400 --> 00:24:40.519 back and it was inflamed, like beneath the skin. But 459 00:24:40.599 --> 00:24:43.839 it didn't hurt and I didn't ram into anything and 460 00:24:44.079 --> 00:24:47.079 drag it all up my back. So I've definitely seen 461 00:24:47.119 --> 00:24:50.039 those marks before, and they're pretty interesting how they just 462 00:24:50.119 --> 00:24:53.440 randomly appear in very specific shapes. Maybe some sort of 463 00:24:53.720 --> 00:24:55.559 spirit interaction phenomenon. 464 00:24:57.200 --> 00:24:59.720 This gets a little off topic from the Red Grid, 465 00:24:59.720 --> 00:25:01.599 but I I do have something to bring up about 466 00:25:01.599 --> 00:25:05.279 this because he's mentioned the three scratch marks. We moved 467 00:25:05.319 --> 00:25:07.880 into our home a little over two years ago. In 468 00:25:07.920 --> 00:25:11.720 the first week that we were here, I felt like 469 00:25:11.759 --> 00:25:14.759 there was just something off, if that makes any sense. 470 00:25:15.200 --> 00:25:19.119 And it had been about two weeks afterwards. My wife 471 00:25:19.119 --> 00:25:21.240 and I laid in bed and our daughter, she was 472 00:25:21.240 --> 00:25:24.400 only about twenty months old at the time, was in 473 00:25:24.440 --> 00:25:26.680 the room across from us. So we have a baby 474 00:25:26.720 --> 00:25:30.519 monitor up and the blind in the house or the 475 00:25:30.519 --> 00:25:35.519 old pull down blinds like they roll up well it unrolled, 476 00:25:35.640 --> 00:25:37.839 is relaying. They're like, it just shot up real quick 477 00:25:37.839 --> 00:25:40.559 by itself, scared the crap out of us, and where 478 00:25:40.599 --> 00:25:43.599 he just kind of laughed it off. And then about 479 00:25:43.599 --> 00:25:46.519 five minutes later, through the baby monitor, we hear the 480 00:25:46.519 --> 00:25:50.480 word mine, like am I n E like mine? 481 00:25:50.960 --> 00:25:51.640 I don't like that. 482 00:25:51.960 --> 00:25:54.279 It was a man's voice, so we instantly went and 483 00:25:54.279 --> 00:25:57.799 got her out of the room. Well, she stayed in 484 00:25:57.839 --> 00:25:59.160 bed with us, and we just kind of kept her 485 00:25:59.160 --> 00:26:00.920 in our room for the next couple of days. But 486 00:26:02.039 --> 00:26:04.599 I got home from work and my wife was changing 487 00:26:04.720 --> 00:26:08.440 our daughter's clothes and across her back were very wide 488 00:26:08.880 --> 00:26:15.000 three scratch marks. And I don't piss around when it 489 00:26:15.039 --> 00:26:17.359 comes to my kids. So I went through the house 490 00:26:17.680 --> 00:26:22.000 and bretoned it whatever it was, basically call it a 491 00:26:22.039 --> 00:26:26.319 pussy for messing with a child. Basically said if you're 492 00:26:26.319 --> 00:26:28.599 going to do anything, come after me, leave my family alone, 493 00:26:28.640 --> 00:26:30.519 this and that, and honestly we've never had an issue 494 00:26:30.559 --> 00:26:31.039 since then. 495 00:26:31.759 --> 00:26:33.440 But yeah, you vanished it. 496 00:26:34.839 --> 00:26:37.519 I don't mess around when it comes to my children 497 00:26:37.759 --> 00:26:41.200 or my family in general. But like, I didn't want 498 00:26:41.200 --> 00:26:43.000 that happening in it, and I don't know what it was. 499 00:26:43.440 --> 00:26:45.279 Never had any issues before, but when you mentioned the 500 00:26:45.319 --> 00:26:49.559 three marks, like those three marks, it hadn't been done 501 00:26:49.599 --> 00:26:52.279 by either me or someone else with big hands because 502 00:26:52.279 --> 00:26:55.400 they were so far apart space that it's like the 503 00:26:55.480 --> 00:26:57.920 kids couldn't have done it, as she couldn't do it herself, 504 00:26:57.960 --> 00:27:02.160 she's a baby. But they were something that I wasn't 505 00:27:02.160 --> 00:27:07.839 about to mess with. So, yeah, you mentioned that I 506 00:27:07.960 --> 00:27:09.519 got a little off topic, but I felt. 507 00:27:09.319 --> 00:27:12.599 Like bringing that up, that's okay. I think We've got 508 00:27:12.599 --> 00:27:14.559 a lot of stuff that we could talk about. I've 509 00:27:14.599 --> 00:27:16.599 got a similar story like that, but it's just the 510 00:27:16.640 --> 00:27:20.640 opposite where I had a invisible being rock my child 511 00:27:20.720 --> 00:27:24.440 to sleep and absolutely scared the mess out of my 512 00:27:24.519 --> 00:27:28.920 girlfriend at the time because there was genuine paranormal activity 513 00:27:28.960 --> 00:27:32.559 going on for the baby's benefit in the room. I'll 514 00:27:32.559 --> 00:27:33.720 have to tell you about that sometime. 515 00:27:34.440 --> 00:27:36.839 Yeah, So any more stories like that you got, we 516 00:27:36.880 --> 00:27:38.680 can always come back for another episode. 517 00:27:39.119 --> 00:27:39.799 Sounds like a plan. 518 00:27:40.599 --> 00:27:42.160 I want to keep this one more or less focused 519 00:27:42.160 --> 00:27:44.119 from the red grid. But when you brought that up, 520 00:27:44.160 --> 00:27:45.839 I just thought I'd something I wanted to share just 521 00:27:45.839 --> 00:27:50.039 while I was thinking about it. So, but as far 522 00:27:50.079 --> 00:27:52.440 as the patterns and stuff go, like again, I think 523 00:27:53.240 --> 00:27:58.119 there's something very real about this. But when I've mentioned 524 00:27:58.119 --> 00:27:59.799 to other people that, I was like, I'm going to 525 00:27:59.799 --> 00:28:02.119 look into this stuff, and they're like, the hell are 526 00:28:02.160 --> 00:28:04.480 you talking about? I was like, well, if you look 527 00:28:04.519 --> 00:28:06.200 into it, and they're like, what looks like they touched 528 00:28:06.200 --> 00:28:08.279 something or they got burnt by something, I was like, yeah, 529 00:28:08.279 --> 00:28:11.599 but it's strange to me that, Okay, say this is 530 00:28:11.640 --> 00:28:15.119 a man made pattern and they pressed up against it, 531 00:28:15.119 --> 00:28:16.599 how will they not realize that? They were like, you 532 00:28:16.640 --> 00:28:19.480 don't really know what you lean up against? Well, you know, 533 00:28:19.839 --> 00:28:20.640 burne your skin. 534 00:28:22.000 --> 00:28:25.440 Yeah. Once you become familiar with the phenomenon, it becomes 535 00:28:25.519 --> 00:28:29.799 easily dismissable the idea that a physical thing is leaving 536 00:28:29.799 --> 00:28:32.960 it on you, because why would you be the last 537 00:28:33.000 --> 00:28:35.839 weekend in May you're pressing up against something in the 538 00:28:35.880 --> 00:28:38.680 same place you pressed up against in the last three years, 539 00:28:39.000 --> 00:28:41.440 and then you're gonna do it every two weeks after that. 540 00:28:41.799 --> 00:28:45.759 It just doesn't make any sense, especially the reapplied marks 541 00:28:45.839 --> 00:28:49.359 as well. If you and on the face right, because 542 00:28:49.440 --> 00:28:51.400 on the face is the most obvious one. You would 543 00:28:51.440 --> 00:28:53.960 think people that get it on their faces or on 544 00:28:54.000 --> 00:28:58.319 their foreheads would remember pushing their head for a prolonged 545 00:28:58.319 --> 00:29:01.920 amount of time into a gritted surface. It's just in 546 00:29:01.960 --> 00:29:05.200 the group, we don't really allow the discussion of that, 547 00:29:05.640 --> 00:29:08.640 and people are kind of critical of that sometimes, but 548 00:29:08.759 --> 00:29:11.640 usually it's because they have no experience at all with goodmark. 549 00:29:12.039 --> 00:29:14.440 And if you're somebody that gets them constantly or your 550 00:29:14.519 --> 00:29:17.480 kid is constantly getting them, you know that it's not 551 00:29:17.640 --> 00:29:21.160 from the betting that they're sitting on or sitting on 552 00:29:21.640 --> 00:29:26.480 gritted or dotted benches and chairs. We just know already 553 00:29:26.640 --> 00:29:30.480 in our life experiences, and so we come together in 554 00:29:30.559 --> 00:29:34.440 that group to move forward from there, not dealing with 555 00:29:34.440 --> 00:29:36.559 those same arguments over and over again. But you'll get 556 00:29:36.599 --> 00:29:40.240 that anytime. And I think that's why a lot of 557 00:29:40.240 --> 00:29:43.480 people dismiss it outright without taking a look at the 558 00:29:44.039 --> 00:29:47.240 sixteen thousand people that it's happening to in the red 559 00:29:47.240 --> 00:29:47.920 Gridmark group. 560 00:29:48.960 --> 00:29:51.640 Yeah, if there's that many people that are experiencing it. 561 00:29:52.039 --> 00:29:53.839 And this is what I go back to. What I 562 00:29:53.880 --> 00:29:56.200 think for all the stuff that I do stories on 563 00:29:56.279 --> 00:29:58.920 or let people talk about, is all these people have 564 00:29:59.119 --> 00:30:01.759 very similar story worries when it comes to their abduction. Now, 565 00:30:01.839 --> 00:30:04.480 some are completely different than others, and you're just kind 566 00:30:04.480 --> 00:30:09.160 of like, Okay, but even like the Sasquatch side and 567 00:30:09.160 --> 00:30:12.160 stuff that there's so much consistency, like to what people 568 00:30:12.200 --> 00:30:15.279 are seeing and saying like, I don't know what people 569 00:30:15.319 --> 00:30:17.799 are seeing. I haven't seen it myself, so it's just 570 00:30:17.880 --> 00:30:21.480 kind of be taking people's word for it. But I 571 00:30:21.519 --> 00:30:25.319 do believe that they believe what they're seeing is true. 572 00:30:25.400 --> 00:30:29.039 It's true to them. So when it comes to this thing, 573 00:30:30.160 --> 00:30:33.880 if there's sixteen thousand people in a group, it's really 574 00:30:33.920 --> 00:30:37.440 hard to think there's that many people just trying to 575 00:30:37.480 --> 00:30:39.559 do this for something like you said, attention for what 576 00:30:39.720 --> 00:30:41.359 purpose a couple of. 577 00:30:41.359 --> 00:30:47.920 Years, or misunderstanding something that's happened that everybody all throughout history. 578 00:30:48.039 --> 00:30:50.640 You know, it's, oh, this is just new and novel, 579 00:30:50.839 --> 00:30:55.720 but yeah, it's uh, it's definitely not a made up phenomenon. 580 00:30:55.799 --> 00:30:58.480 It's very real. And that's the most interesting thing about 581 00:30:58.480 --> 00:31:00.240 it because I think a lot of it comes from 582 00:31:00.279 --> 00:31:03.400 the idea that, oh, well, you know, it's it's supernatural. 583 00:31:03.440 --> 00:31:06.160 It's very mysterious, so it has to be paranormal or something. 584 00:31:06.200 --> 00:31:09.559 But even if it is just a regular medical condition 585 00:31:09.680 --> 00:31:15.920 that's unexplained, it's still a valid medical condition. You've got 586 00:31:16.160 --> 00:31:18.880 thousands of people that this is happening to and it 587 00:31:18.960 --> 00:31:24.160 only started, in my opinion, recently. It's I think within 588 00:31:24.200 --> 00:31:27.039 the last decade or two. As it only really started. 589 00:31:27.079 --> 00:31:30.079 You would think there would be a lot of capturing 590 00:31:30.119 --> 00:31:33.759 of it if it had been consistently happening, but maybe 591 00:31:33.759 --> 00:31:36.160 people just didn't report it. But it definitely seems to 592 00:31:36.240 --> 00:31:40.720 have been increasing in volume every year over the last 593 00:31:41.119 --> 00:31:45.079 wall since I've had it, definitely so decade. 594 00:31:45.279 --> 00:31:46.640 And that's kind of where I was going back to 595 00:31:46.720 --> 00:31:51.079 with the whole electronic thing, since within the last decades 596 00:31:51.119 --> 00:31:54.640 cell phones have become a lot more everyone has one. 597 00:31:54.880 --> 00:31:57.000 Like I'm not going to go on the whole five 598 00:31:57.039 --> 00:32:00.759 G conspiracy because clearly it's something for someone else to 599 00:32:02.240 --> 00:32:06.359 root around with. But I've always wondered, like, we have 600 00:32:06.480 --> 00:32:08.759 all these signals, we have all the electronics we don't know, 601 00:32:08.839 --> 00:32:10.960 like these lithium batteries, or they put out some sort 602 00:32:11.000 --> 00:32:14.920 of a sonic signal that's causing some sort of like 603 00:32:15.160 --> 00:32:18.119 reaction of people's skins. Like I know people have gotten 604 00:32:18.119 --> 00:32:20.359 burnt from my cell phone being in their pocket, like 605 00:32:20.400 --> 00:32:23.880 the phone battery melted or whatever. I was like, clearly 606 00:32:23.960 --> 00:32:26.920 this is not happening, because again, you got stuff on 607 00:32:26.960 --> 00:32:29.839 the foreheads, you got stuff on your back, You're not 608 00:32:29.880 --> 00:32:32.480 gonna have your phone on your back, so you can't 609 00:32:32.480 --> 00:32:35.119 really go that route. But I was just thinking out loud, 610 00:32:35.160 --> 00:32:38.759 like maybe it does have something to do with the 611 00:32:38.799 --> 00:32:39.960 technology we're using. 612 00:32:41.240 --> 00:32:45.279 It might be it's it's kind of matched in volume, 613 00:32:45.400 --> 00:32:48.279 like more and more people are getting it. So I 614 00:32:48.319 --> 00:32:51.039 could definitely see how you would look at, you know, 615 00:32:51.119 --> 00:32:54.599 the increase in three to five G and say, hmm, 616 00:32:54.599 --> 00:32:57.680 well it's increasing in volume at the same time that 617 00:32:57.759 --> 00:33:02.559 this phenomenon is increasing in volume, And it's definitely a correlation. 618 00:33:02.799 --> 00:33:07.039 But I don't think they're related because again, the aspects 619 00:33:07.039 --> 00:33:10.640 of intelligent timing, and we know what people with radiation 620 00:33:10.759 --> 00:33:13.880 burns look like, so it can't just be a radiation burst, 621 00:33:14.839 --> 00:33:18.000 and we don't ever see people like around sher Nobyl 622 00:33:18.079 --> 00:33:20.240 when a lot of people were afflicted very fast. We 623 00:33:20.319 --> 00:33:23.839 never saw any dots or grids. So if it is something, 624 00:33:23.880 --> 00:33:26.880 it's got to be a complex interaction that we just 625 00:33:26.960 --> 00:33:32.599 have no idea about, or some sort of weaponization of 626 00:33:33.279 --> 00:33:36.839 things that are radiation based. So I could see that 627 00:33:36.960 --> 00:33:40.200 more probably than I could see it being an accident, 628 00:33:40.240 --> 00:33:41.559 because I don't think it's an accident. 629 00:33:43.480 --> 00:33:48.359 Just in your opinion, what do you think is causing 630 00:33:48.400 --> 00:33:52.039 these or do you not have like your own opinion 631 00:33:52.079 --> 00:33:52.640 of what it is. 632 00:33:54.359 --> 00:33:56.440 I would refer back to what I said earlier when 633 00:33:56.440 --> 00:33:58.880 I just said that it's some sort of long range 634 00:34:00.160 --> 00:34:07.640 radiation or maybe laser based, probably biopsy device. That would 635 00:34:07.640 --> 00:34:10.639 be my guess. But it would be dishonest for me 636 00:34:10.880 --> 00:34:13.280 to try to say that I have the answers, because 637 00:34:13.679 --> 00:34:18.639 I don't think anybody has the actual information about where 638 00:34:18.639 --> 00:34:21.559 it comes from. However, there are many people who try 639 00:34:21.639 --> 00:34:27.000 to explain it away with either supernatural deductions or psychic 640 00:34:27.039 --> 00:34:30.719 deductions or conspiracy theories, and I just can't buy that 641 00:34:30.800 --> 00:34:34.760 because I've got so much evidence of the phenomenon happening. 642 00:34:34.800 --> 00:34:38.599 I don't feel like the solution is going to be 643 00:34:39.639 --> 00:34:43.199 a psychic cancer. But I'm happy to be wrong. 644 00:34:43.920 --> 00:34:47.760 Yeah. Again, I don't think anyone really has a definitive answer. 645 00:34:47.800 --> 00:34:56.400 I agree to that, but it's definitely something that is happening. Well, yeah, 646 00:34:57.119 --> 00:34:59.360 there's no way just to write it off like, oh, 647 00:34:59.360 --> 00:35:02.400 the people are just doing it themselves, or they're brushing 648 00:35:02.400 --> 00:35:04.639 against stuff. Like I'm looking around out here in my 649 00:35:04.679 --> 00:35:06.639 garage and I see grid patterns on a lot of things, 650 00:35:06.639 --> 00:35:08.119 like right in front of my face as a grid 651 00:35:08.119 --> 00:35:14.679 pattern on my like the pop filter on my microphone. Now, 652 00:35:14.719 --> 00:35:16.519 if I was to sit here and press my face 653 00:35:16.559 --> 00:35:19.280 against it really forcibly, for like five minutes, I'm sure 654 00:35:19.280 --> 00:35:23.639 i'd have a grid pattern. But to these people that 655 00:35:23.679 --> 00:35:25.159 have no idea where they come from, you would know 656 00:35:25.199 --> 00:35:27.679 if you're pressing your face up against something like this. 657 00:35:28.599 --> 00:35:31.320 Yeah, not only that, I think to replicate the red 658 00:35:31.360 --> 00:35:33.800 grid mark, and for people who haven't seen it, this 659 00:35:33.840 --> 00:35:35.760 will give you a better impression of what it looks like. 660 00:35:36.039 --> 00:35:39.360 You'd have to cut off blood flow to the skin 661 00:35:39.679 --> 00:35:41.639 so that you end up with like a little blood 662 00:35:41.639 --> 00:35:46.159 bruise in those dots shapes. So I think somebody tried 663 00:35:46.199 --> 00:35:47.639 to do it in the group, and it took them 664 00:35:47.679 --> 00:35:53.039 like forty five minutes of hard pressing against a metal 665 00:35:53.119 --> 00:35:56.159 dotted surface to get something that was lightly similar to 666 00:35:56.239 --> 00:36:00.760 red grid mark. But you're right, like, nobody's gonna violently 667 00:36:00.800 --> 00:36:04.880 press themselves into a grated bench for forty five minutes 668 00:36:04.920 --> 00:36:08.000 and be like, well, that's so strange. I've got a 669 00:36:08.119 --> 00:36:11.199 dotted red mark in the exact same place I was 670 00:36:11.280 --> 00:36:14.559 violently leaning against the bench. You just would remember. And 671 00:36:14.639 --> 00:36:16.199 then the face ones. 672 00:36:16.280 --> 00:36:20.960 Of course, that's that's the most bizarre to me, is 673 00:36:21.000 --> 00:36:23.239 like the face things. I can understand if you're leaning 674 00:36:23.280 --> 00:36:25.880 against something and you don't realize that and maybe it 675 00:36:25.880 --> 00:36:28.000 does press against your back or something that you're not 676 00:36:28.039 --> 00:36:31.519 thinking about. But the face, there's no way of not 677 00:36:31.639 --> 00:36:33.280 knowing your faces up again something. 678 00:36:34.440 --> 00:36:37.320 Yeah, it's kind of an example of the exceptions prove 679 00:36:37.480 --> 00:36:42.199 the rule, because like when I went to this vacation 680 00:36:42.360 --> 00:36:45.480 place in Destin, Florida, and my first night there, I 681 00:36:45.519 --> 00:36:50.880 had a very strong line of dots, just single dots 682 00:36:51.280 --> 00:36:53.760 in a line. There was no grid, it was just 683 00:36:53.960 --> 00:36:56.079 a line, and it was just to the left of 684 00:36:56.119 --> 00:36:59.039 my spine going all the way down. So the idea 685 00:36:59.079 --> 00:37:02.119 that maybe I slept on something wrong is just silly. 686 00:37:02.360 --> 00:37:04.840 It matches my spine and goes all the way down 687 00:37:04.840 --> 00:37:09.719 my back. I mean obviously with that little pressure points, 688 00:37:09.760 --> 00:37:13.920 it would have been painful and I was in a 689 00:37:13.960 --> 00:37:16.920 bad I mean, there's nothing in there that's going to 690 00:37:17.039 --> 00:37:21.320 cause that. So the exceptions really help you see that 691 00:37:22.199 --> 00:37:24.920 it's not something material if it's on your face, if 692 00:37:24.920 --> 00:37:27.599 it's in a strange pattern like right down in your 693 00:37:27.599 --> 00:37:32.079 spine or a hugely complex pattern, like a seven sided 694 00:37:32.119 --> 00:37:35.559 star within a circle that's on your leg. Obviously you 695 00:37:35.599 --> 00:37:38.920 would have something that matches that. And ninety nine percent 696 00:37:38.920 --> 00:37:40.360 of the time that's just not the case. 697 00:37:41.840 --> 00:37:43.599 I said, looking at some of the patterns that I've 698 00:37:43.599 --> 00:37:46.880 seen on things, they're definitely not just like random. Some right, 699 00:37:47.199 --> 00:37:51.679 some are, but a lot of them there's like they're 700 00:37:51.719 --> 00:37:54.599 all like this, not the same, but like the same 701 00:37:54.639 --> 00:37:57.679 space scene between each other, like they're all equal distance 702 00:37:57.679 --> 00:38:00.960 as apart. They make a design, it's almost like again 703 00:38:01.119 --> 00:38:04.760 it's intentional. It has intelligence because it's not just some 704 00:38:04.880 --> 00:38:09.400 random splotches here and there, like there's some sort of 705 00:38:09.440 --> 00:38:12.599 intelligence behind it because it had to make it artificially, 706 00:38:12.639 --> 00:38:13.480 make this design. 707 00:38:14.920 --> 00:38:17.599 Yeah, the design seemed to be important. I don't know why, 708 00:38:17.719 --> 00:38:23.199 but you know, you see a lot of unclear designs 709 00:38:23.239 --> 00:38:26.719 where it's just like a group of dots in the 710 00:38:26.840 --> 00:38:30.159 same places over and over again. But then you do 711 00:38:30.280 --> 00:38:32.880 see these rare cases, and I think two of them 712 00:38:32.880 --> 00:38:35.320 on the legs and one would just got posted where 713 00:38:35.440 --> 00:38:38.239 it was on the guy's back, but you can see 714 00:38:38.280 --> 00:38:42.119 the entire design and it's clearly complex, like the seven 715 00:38:42.239 --> 00:38:46.239 sided star inside of a circle, with more dots going 716 00:38:46.239 --> 00:38:49.199 around a quarter of it. That's just a bizarre pattern. 717 00:38:49.840 --> 00:38:53.400 In general, you would have to try to replicate that 718 00:38:53.639 --> 00:38:54.599 and it would hurt. 719 00:38:56.239 --> 00:38:58.159 This is another one of those things I kind of 720 00:38:58.199 --> 00:39:01.880 come across and I I'm throwing my own little tinfoil 721 00:39:01.960 --> 00:39:07.119 hat on here, thinking of tying things together. But now 722 00:39:08.199 --> 00:39:13.519 there's been some pretty intricate crop circles. Yeah, some of 723 00:39:13.519 --> 00:39:18.239 these crop circles have some of the patterns that I'm 724 00:39:18.239 --> 00:39:20.239 not going to say they're the exact same patterns that 725 00:39:20.280 --> 00:39:22.480 people are gidding, but they are similar. 726 00:39:23.039 --> 00:39:26.119 Yeah. I've seen that too, especially that seven sided star one. 727 00:39:26.760 --> 00:39:29.000 I've seen that same. Like, I literally have seen the 728 00:39:29.039 --> 00:39:32.519 same structure in a crop circle photo and I think 729 00:39:32.559 --> 00:39:34.480 I had posted it in that thread too. It was 730 00:39:34.760 --> 00:39:37.639 definitely the same design, but that one, of course was 731 00:39:37.679 --> 00:39:40.920 composed of dots. It was different. But it's just interesting 732 00:39:40.960 --> 00:39:45.599 to think, you know, you get the big picture of 733 00:39:45.639 --> 00:39:47.800 what this tool looks like when you get those marks 734 00:39:47.840 --> 00:39:50.480 like that, and we do see similarities other places of 735 00:39:50.519 --> 00:39:54.440 extraterrestrial phenomenon, it's hard to ascribe it to anything other 736 00:39:54.480 --> 00:39:59.079 than extraterrestrial because of the high level of technology that 737 00:39:59.119 --> 00:40:02.079 would be needed to make a mark. Like that on 738 00:40:02.119 --> 00:40:04.239 somebody over a long distance. 739 00:40:05.599 --> 00:40:08.679 Yeah. That was the other thing I was thinking too, 740 00:40:08.800 --> 00:40:11.880 is like if they're trying to communicate and make these circles, 741 00:40:11.880 --> 00:40:14.639 which I don't know, if that's what they're communicating about. 742 00:40:14.760 --> 00:40:17.599 We don't. No one really knows. It's all just guessing 743 00:40:17.639 --> 00:40:21.199 at this point. But if they're doing it out in 744 00:40:21.320 --> 00:40:25.320 fields and stuff like that, maybe this is just their 745 00:40:25.400 --> 00:40:30.440 next step of trying to get our attention. Maybe I 746 00:40:30.440 --> 00:40:30.800 don't know. 747 00:40:31.440 --> 00:40:34.400 Yeah, they're not noticing the ones in the field. We'll 748 00:40:34.440 --> 00:40:36.199 just zap them. They can't ignore that. 749 00:40:37.360 --> 00:40:41.159 The sad part is a lot of people are like, 750 00:40:41.239 --> 00:40:45.559 when I brought this up again, like this seems most 751 00:40:45.559 --> 00:40:48.039 people don't know what I'm talking about. So, like I said, 752 00:40:48.039 --> 00:40:49.639 that's kind of why I want to do this episode, 753 00:40:49.679 --> 00:40:51.199 is because I kind of want to bring more light 754 00:40:51.239 --> 00:40:54.039 to it. Even though I'm not some huge podcaster with 755 00:40:54.199 --> 00:40:57.599 like millions of followers or anything like that little low 756 00:40:57.679 --> 00:41:00.679 key guy here, But I think this is definitely something 757 00:41:00.719 --> 00:41:03.599 that needs more attention brought to it because it is 758 00:41:03.639 --> 00:41:08.039 one of those phenomenons that's like, clearly there's something true 759 00:41:08.039 --> 00:41:11.960 behind it, something's really happening. So for people to instantly 760 00:41:12.000 --> 00:41:15.760 just write it off as kind of stupid in my opinion. 761 00:41:16.719 --> 00:41:18.719 Yeah, I know. I mean it's such a like I 762 00:41:18.880 --> 00:41:21.599 grew up and I was very interested in extraterrestrials and stuff, 763 00:41:21.599 --> 00:41:23.519 and you'd always be like, oh, I wish there was 764 00:41:23.559 --> 00:41:25.960 a scrap of evidence to go along with that case. 765 00:41:26.000 --> 00:41:29.400 You know, if there was radiation on the ground, like 766 00:41:30.679 --> 00:41:34.519 you know, where saucers have landed, sometimes there will be 767 00:41:34.599 --> 00:41:37.039 radiation that affects the gross of trees and stuff, and 768 00:41:37.079 --> 00:41:41.719 that's such a valuable nugget of information. And then I 769 00:41:41.760 --> 00:41:45.840 feel incredibly privileged to be involved in this phenomenon that 770 00:41:46.159 --> 00:41:51.400 just has an overwhelming amount of evidence that something genuinely 771 00:41:51.480 --> 00:41:56.760 mysterious is going on. And we're kind of a low 772 00:41:56.840 --> 00:41:59.639 key phenomenon too, So it's always a pleasure to reach 773 00:41:59.679 --> 00:42:04.400 out and try to explain, you know, my journey with 774 00:42:04.639 --> 00:42:07.280 seeing this e al from three or four pictures on 775 00:42:07.320 --> 00:42:10.079 the internet to sixteen hundred people that don't know what's 776 00:42:10.119 --> 00:42:14.519 going on. But it's growing surely, slowly but surely. We 777 00:42:14.639 --> 00:42:18.440 just made a discussion and Speculation group because the rules 778 00:42:18.480 --> 00:42:20.800 in the group are a little too restrictive for a 779 00:42:20.840 --> 00:42:24.119 lot of people's tastes. They want to speculate, and so 780 00:42:24.360 --> 00:42:26.800 we just made a sister group so that people could 781 00:42:26.960 --> 00:42:29.280 kind of join in on the public discussion of what 782 00:42:29.360 --> 00:42:32.440 this is, because we've got enough evidence now to where 783 00:42:32.559 --> 00:42:37.239 it's clearly a bona fide mysterious phenomenon. We've even got 784 00:42:37.639 --> 00:42:40.400 data coming out of the survey which you should take 785 00:42:40.400 --> 00:42:42.400 a look at in the file section of the group. 786 00:42:42.519 --> 00:42:47.119 A lot of fun, but no matter what, it's always 787 00:42:47.159 --> 00:42:50.760 it always comes back to this is just something so 788 00:42:51.039 --> 00:42:54.119 bizarre in its origin that none of us can fathom 789 00:42:54.119 --> 00:42:56.519 what it is. None of us can come up with 790 00:42:56.559 --> 00:43:02.519 any experiments to truly replicate the marks, and it's baffling 791 00:43:02.679 --> 00:43:05.039 all the time. It never gets any better, It always 792 00:43:05.039 --> 00:43:09.519 gets more mysterious, even though you collect more and more data. 793 00:43:10.599 --> 00:43:13.719 Has anyone that you're aware of ever checked the area 794 00:43:13.760 --> 00:43:15.880 where they have the bars to see if there's like 795 00:43:16.000 --> 00:43:19.719 any sort of trace radiation from those marks or. 796 00:43:20.519 --> 00:43:24.960 Yes, there was somebody that had a Geiger counter and 797 00:43:25.079 --> 00:43:30.239 that checked their marks and there was nothing. And I 798 00:43:30.320 --> 00:43:32.320 want to say that there was a few other like 799 00:43:32.440 --> 00:43:35.800 two other people that did that too, enough for me 800 00:43:35.960 --> 00:43:40.760 to go, okay, well it's not radioactive and any higher 801 00:43:40.760 --> 00:43:44.119 amounts that you would get from background radiation. So if 802 00:43:44.159 --> 00:43:49.679 it is radioactive, then it's not any more than the 803 00:43:50.000 --> 00:43:53.679 surrounding background radiation, which would be a problem if it 804 00:43:53.800 --> 00:43:57.119 was right, because if it was constantly blasting it with 805 00:43:57.360 --> 00:44:02.639 radioactive gusts, you'd probably develop a medical condition, I would think, 806 00:44:02.679 --> 00:44:06.920 which is something you do see sometimes in like abduction 807 00:44:07.000 --> 00:44:09.440 cases and stuff like that. But it doesn't seem to 808 00:44:09.440 --> 00:44:11.679 be that way. There doesn't seem to be medical conditions 809 00:44:11.719 --> 00:44:16.159 coming from this phenomenon, and in fact, never happened to me. 810 00:44:16.280 --> 00:44:18.519 I mean, I'm in good health, but a lot of 811 00:44:18.519 --> 00:44:21.519 people have reported that they would. Not a lot, but 812 00:44:21.679 --> 00:44:23.920 a couple of people have reported that they would get 813 00:44:23.960 --> 00:44:29.000 marks on their knee and their knee would spontaneously start healing, 814 00:44:29.199 --> 00:44:33.159 or that they got marks during times of intense illness, 815 00:44:33.519 --> 00:44:36.440 like when they got COVID they would get the marks. 816 00:44:36.840 --> 00:44:39.960 So I thought that was interesting. Who knows, right, if 817 00:44:40.000 --> 00:44:45.400 it's just a correlation or something directly related, But I 818 00:44:45.480 --> 00:44:49.480 get the feeling that they are interested in collecting data 819 00:44:50.760 --> 00:44:55.119 off of unique situations and conditions and how it relates 820 00:44:55.159 --> 00:44:59.599 to our biology. Probably, but that's just a complete hypothesis 821 00:45:00.320 --> 00:45:00.840 by anything. 822 00:45:02.119 --> 00:45:05.679 I was just thinking about something and has anyone ever 823 00:45:05.719 --> 00:45:09.679 looked into the blood types of each person that's encountered. 824 00:45:09.159 --> 00:45:13.480 This excellent question. Yeah, so on our survey, we took 825 00:45:13.519 --> 00:45:17.360 a we asked them what is their blood type? And 826 00:45:17.519 --> 00:45:21.760 there's no correlation whatsoever. It's it's a completely normal distribution. 827 00:45:22.880 --> 00:45:25.519 Okay. I was just thinking about that for a second. 828 00:45:25.559 --> 00:45:27.159 I was like, I wonder if this all ties into 829 00:45:27.280 --> 00:45:29.639 they're all having a certain type of blood type. But 830 00:45:30.159 --> 00:45:31.440 I guess that rolls that one out. 831 00:45:33.519 --> 00:45:35.559 Yeah, it was on the minds of everybody before I 832 00:45:35.599 --> 00:45:38.519 made that survey, and I said, let's see, let's let's 833 00:45:38.679 --> 00:45:41.719 check it out if we all I don't have RH negative, 834 00:45:41.760 --> 00:45:43.760 but that was a popular theory for a while. We 835 00:45:43.800 --> 00:45:45.360 all have RH negative blood types. 836 00:45:47.000 --> 00:45:49.159 No, I honestly couldn't even tell you what mine is. 837 00:45:50.800 --> 00:45:53.440 Mine is A or O. I don't I'm not sure 838 00:45:53.480 --> 00:45:54.360 exactly what it is. 839 00:45:54.639 --> 00:45:57.960 I'm pretty sure mine's B, but not one hundred percent positive. 840 00:45:59.119 --> 00:46:01.199 So but yeah, I've got a lot of questions like 841 00:46:01.239 --> 00:46:04.400 that in the red grid mark survey, and then I've 842 00:46:04.400 --> 00:46:08.639 got questions to see how many people are experiencing something 843 00:46:08.639 --> 00:46:12.800 that's not redgrid marks, such as what symptoms are you 844 00:46:12.880 --> 00:46:17.360 having with the marks such as pain, inflammation, itchiness. So 845 00:46:17.400 --> 00:46:20.039 I know about how many people are experiencing something that's 846 00:46:20.079 --> 00:46:23.920 not red grid mark, because red grid mark never has 847 00:46:23.920 --> 00:46:25.440 any symptoms associated with it. 848 00:46:25.480 --> 00:46:25.760 Ever. 849 00:46:26.360 --> 00:46:29.880 It's always just beneath the skin, like a radiation burn, 850 00:46:30.039 --> 00:46:32.519 but with no symptoms. 851 00:46:32.559 --> 00:46:35.440 But whether it being beneath the skin, if you run 852 00:46:35.480 --> 00:46:37.880 your hand across, so you don't feel like any raised 853 00:46:38.119 --> 00:46:40.679 skin or any irritation or anything like that. 854 00:46:41.119 --> 00:46:44.000 Not at all. It's just like a blood blister, like 855 00:46:44.159 --> 00:46:46.119 you know, if you pinch your skin and you get 856 00:46:46.159 --> 00:46:49.360 some blood pooling beneath the surface of the skin. It's 857 00:46:49.400 --> 00:46:53.000 real bright. It's like that, but it's organized of course 858 00:46:53.159 --> 00:46:57.039 into dots and grids. But when they first show up, 859 00:46:57.079 --> 00:47:00.280 I mean it's just like I'm sure we've all inched 860 00:47:00.320 --> 00:47:02.960 ourselves really hard and gotten that bright red mark beneath 861 00:47:02.960 --> 00:47:07.039 the surface of the skin with no swelling. When they 862 00:47:07.119 --> 00:47:09.719 start off, they can be really dark red, I mean, 863 00:47:10.079 --> 00:47:15.000 very prominent to where obviously something has happened, and then 864 00:47:15.039 --> 00:47:19.440 in about two to three days, just like a sunburn 865 00:47:19.559 --> 00:47:23.599 or something, it would clear up. And you know, interesting 866 00:47:23.639 --> 00:47:27.519 story here, maybe somebody can get something from this. But 867 00:47:28.679 --> 00:47:32.480 I got a red grid mark just the summer, and 868 00:47:32.559 --> 00:47:34.199 I was going to the beach every day, and I 869 00:47:34.239 --> 00:47:36.519 was trying to get my tan on because I was 870 00:47:36.559 --> 00:47:38.760 just trying to live more naturally and get more light. 871 00:47:38.800 --> 00:47:41.519 And I work right by the beach, so this was 872 00:47:41.599 --> 00:47:44.199 really fun. I went out to the beach, I knew 873 00:47:44.199 --> 00:47:46.639 I had a red grid mark, and I still was 874 00:47:46.679 --> 00:47:49.559 spending about forty minutes in the sun each day getting 875 00:47:49.559 --> 00:47:51.920 my tan on right, And as I got a little 876 00:47:51.920 --> 00:47:55.079 bit sunburnt, the mark stayed around for about a week 877 00:47:55.119 --> 00:47:58.360 and a half. So because there was so much damage 878 00:47:58.360 --> 00:48:02.599 to the area, it couldn't feel that fast, and so 879 00:48:02.800 --> 00:48:05.960 I ended up preserving the mark for a little longer 880 00:48:06.000 --> 00:48:08.559 than I would have by getting a white sunburn. I 881 00:48:08.559 --> 00:48:09.679 thought that was kind of interesting. 882 00:48:12.760 --> 00:48:17.400 Yeah, that's at least something to think about on that one. 883 00:48:18.000 --> 00:48:22.840 So has anyone else reported anything, like if they've been 884 00:48:22.880 --> 00:48:26.679 out to get a sunburn, But that area itself does 885 00:48:26.719 --> 00:48:33.960 not change, like like it in between, Like the pattern 886 00:48:34.360 --> 00:48:37.960 does that stay the same? Like no one's had any 887 00:48:37.960 --> 00:48:41.000 discoloration between their patterns, like where the dots are or anything, 888 00:48:41.039 --> 00:48:43.280 or is it all No one ever really looked into that. 889 00:48:44.599 --> 00:48:47.199 I think it's kind of like a tattoo, like you 890 00:48:47.320 --> 00:48:52.039 get that specific burn and that layer of skin, and 891 00:48:52.159 --> 00:48:55.039 of course it starts the healing process or blood pools 892 00:48:55.039 --> 00:48:57.159 to it or something you know, just like a normal 893 00:48:57.440 --> 00:49:00.480 like a radiation burn or a sunburn, and and anything 894 00:49:00.480 --> 00:49:03.840 that happens after that affects the whole skin. So if 895 00:49:03.880 --> 00:49:06.639 you were to get a sunburn, it doesn't do anything 896 00:49:06.719 --> 00:49:10.239 different than normal. It'll just sunburn the whole skin. But 897 00:49:10.599 --> 00:49:13.960 it's close to wherever you get a sunburn at, like 898 00:49:14.000 --> 00:49:19.760 that initial irritation, or maybe where you a tattoo would 899 00:49:19.760 --> 00:49:23.320 come to rest in your skin. It's somewhere beneath the 900 00:49:23.400 --> 00:49:24.360 surface of the skin. 901 00:49:25.400 --> 00:49:27.800 Has anyone seen what layer of the skin that it's 902 00:49:27.880 --> 00:49:30.880 usually on, So I think there's six or seven layers 903 00:49:30.880 --> 00:49:34.480 of skin. I think has anyone had anyone look into that. 904 00:49:35.280 --> 00:49:38.039 No, we'd have to get a dermatologist to look at 905 00:49:38.039 --> 00:49:43.000 it right as it happens. But maybe with the sunburning 906 00:49:43.039 --> 00:49:47.239 solution we can get a little bit extra time and 907 00:49:47.280 --> 00:49:50.000 get somebody to a dermatologist. But we'll just have to see. 908 00:49:50.199 --> 00:49:51.760 But it's hard to predict a lot of people don't 909 00:49:51.760 --> 00:49:53.639 know when it's going to show up, which is the 910 00:49:53.639 --> 00:49:56.920 hard part about getting to a dermatologist. And then following 911 00:49:56.960 --> 00:50:00.159 that if it even take you seriously and look at it. 912 00:50:00.199 --> 00:50:04.960 But no, I would imagine it's I don't know wherever 913 00:50:05.400 --> 00:50:11.639 the sunburn happens, because it kind of to me looks 914 00:50:11.639 --> 00:50:15.079 like a radiation burn. Like that's the easiest way to 915 00:50:15.119 --> 00:50:18.400 describe it is if you've got a radiation burn through 916 00:50:18.400 --> 00:50:20.760 a metal panel with dots in it, that's kind of 917 00:50:20.920 --> 00:50:24.239 exactly what you would have with red gridmark. But you 918 00:50:24.239 --> 00:50:28.800 don't get any serious symptoms like you know, pain, itching, swelling, 919 00:50:29.119 --> 00:50:31.480 none of that. It's perfectly calibrated. 920 00:50:32.960 --> 00:50:35.880 Reported any like nause or headache or anything with it either. 921 00:50:37.599 --> 00:50:41.920 Very rarely but not enough to be anything other than normal. 922 00:50:43.079 --> 00:50:46.119 Yeah, I'm just I'm just trying to think what it 923 00:50:46.159 --> 00:50:47.920 could be, or what the size would be, or what 924 00:50:48.320 --> 00:50:50.679 even how does it choose who it's choosing, you know 925 00:50:50.719 --> 00:50:52.559 what I mean? Like, there's got to be some sort 926 00:50:52.559 --> 00:50:55.639 of way of them choosing with who they're choosing. If 927 00:50:55.639 --> 00:50:59.760 it is intelligent, like why this person? Why you? Why that? 928 00:51:00.079 --> 00:51:01.920 Or something like, there's got to be something to correlate 929 00:51:01.960 --> 00:51:04.119 with it. But if it's all just random and it's 930 00:51:04.119 --> 00:51:05.599 just strange that everything's just. 931 00:51:05.599 --> 00:51:11.599 Random, they it does seem random. But you know, it's 932 00:51:11.880 --> 00:51:17.599 it's almost too normal, right. Everything about this distribution is 933 00:51:17.719 --> 00:51:24.519 completely normal, completely average. So it seems like, you know, 934 00:51:24.639 --> 00:51:27.400 they if I had to guess, I'd say they're doing 935 00:51:28.320 --> 00:51:32.599 data collection and they want a wide and varied amount 936 00:51:32.599 --> 00:51:36.000 of data as far as you know, people with medical conditions, 937 00:51:36.039 --> 00:51:40.119 people that are extremely healthy, or people with these genetic 938 00:51:40.159 --> 00:51:43.559 components and people without these genetic components or whatever. I 939 00:51:43.559 --> 00:51:48.599 would think that if it's a biopsy device, that they're 940 00:51:48.639 --> 00:51:55.320 either manipulating DNA or extracting data about the physiology based 941 00:51:55.320 --> 00:52:01.320 on what comes back on the device. When I was 942 00:52:01.360 --> 00:52:04.159 investigating red gridmark phenomenon, I had posted it in a 943 00:52:04.199 --> 00:52:09.599 couple of places online and I had one guy who 944 00:52:09.920 --> 00:52:13.679 worked with lasers, and he said, it's really interesting because 945 00:52:13.719 --> 00:52:18.000 it looks like a holographic diffraction of a laser, so 946 00:52:18.960 --> 00:52:21.920 it would create grid patterns if you difract a laser 947 00:52:22.599 --> 00:52:27.960 or holographic patterns. And he said there was recently some 948 00:52:28.039 --> 00:52:33.360 research published where a lab had created a UV ray 949 00:52:33.639 --> 00:52:37.639 that could penetrate a specific layer of the skin based 950 00:52:37.679 --> 00:52:40.360 on how it was calibrated, and it could burn that 951 00:52:40.679 --> 00:52:44.880 and the theoretical application of this technology could be bringing 952 00:52:44.920 --> 00:52:49.800 back data on specific levels of the skin after damaging 953 00:52:49.880 --> 00:52:54.039 them with the laser, and you could return data somehow 954 00:52:54.159 --> 00:52:56.480 using that, And I posted that in the group and 955 00:52:56.519 --> 00:53:00.480 that kind of shaped my opinion about My guess on 956 00:53:00.519 --> 00:53:04.159 the mark is that if we are kind of flirting 957 00:53:04.199 --> 00:53:07.679 with this technology and it's not really possible yet, you know, 958 00:53:07.719 --> 00:53:11.519 if there's a one hundred or two hundred year difference 959 00:53:11.559 --> 00:53:15.920 in technology, then you of course could biopsy sells with that, 960 00:53:16.440 --> 00:53:19.159 I'm sure, And that's kind of looks like what we're 961 00:53:19.159 --> 00:53:22.480 seeing here in my opinion, if. 962 00:53:22.360 --> 00:53:25.519 It is something that man is doing themselves. It would 963 00:53:25.679 --> 00:53:29.039 also make sense to me that if it is some 964 00:53:29.159 --> 00:53:32.239 top secret research that they're doing for some sort of 965 00:53:32.239 --> 00:53:34.840 weaponized stuff. Of course we won't know about it because 966 00:53:34.840 --> 00:53:37.360 whatever the militaries are doing, they don't it's never opened 967 00:53:37.440 --> 00:53:39.639 to the public of whatever they're tested out or whatever 968 00:53:39.679 --> 00:53:40.360 they're doing. 969 00:53:40.280 --> 00:53:40.440 So. 970 00:53:42.000 --> 00:53:45.360 I don't know what they'd be using it for unless 971 00:53:46.800 --> 00:53:49.599 I get it it would be something like to weaponize whatever. 972 00:53:49.679 --> 00:53:52.480 But it's strange to go down that rabbit hole thinking 973 00:53:52.559 --> 00:53:56.840 the government's doing this to us, Like, at the end 974 00:53:56.880 --> 00:53:59.639 of the day, no one really knows what's causing it, so. 975 00:54:00.079 --> 00:54:06.079 Be somebody's doing it, and they've got advanced technology. But 976 00:54:06.119 --> 00:54:11.760 it's not like FTL drives or alien spacecraft. It's it's 977 00:54:11.760 --> 00:54:15.239 slightly more advanced than what we have now, but maybe 978 00:54:15.920 --> 00:54:19.039 a lot more. We don't know because we don't have 979 00:54:19.079 --> 00:54:21.840 access to the technology. All we see is the imprints 980 00:54:22.280 --> 00:54:24.519 that the tool leaves. We only see the tool marks, 981 00:54:24.559 --> 00:54:25.639 but never the tool. 982 00:54:27.320 --> 00:54:29.599 And then just not even knowing what it's like, what 983 00:54:29.639 --> 00:54:33.760 it's even doing is the most concerning thing that I 984 00:54:33.760 --> 00:54:35.679 would have about it. As far as to discover this 985 00:54:35.800 --> 00:54:39.000 on me, I was like, Okay, why me? And I 986 00:54:39.039 --> 00:54:41.639 feel like it hasn't done anything to me, But again, 987 00:54:42.000 --> 00:54:43.119 what does it really doan? 988 00:54:44.440 --> 00:54:47.039 Yeah, what the intention here? Are they just collecting data 989 00:54:47.159 --> 00:54:50.440 or are they altering things? Which would be problematic of course, 990 00:54:50.840 --> 00:54:53.400 but we don't know. Yeah, but it doesn't seem like 991 00:54:53.440 --> 00:54:59.280 anybody develops conditions after receiving the marks. I mean, it's 992 00:54:59.280 --> 00:55:02.519 such a short time, you know, I couldn't prove that, 993 00:55:03.280 --> 00:55:07.599 but my health is not soured after I started getting them, 994 00:55:07.639 --> 00:55:11.559 and I've been getting them for probably eight years now, 995 00:55:11.840 --> 00:55:13.079 eight or nine years. 996 00:55:13.480 --> 00:55:15.280 When was the last time you had one? 997 00:55:16.239 --> 00:55:19.559 Just this summer from that sunburn story? But the schedule. 998 00:55:19.639 --> 00:55:23.119 This was what was interesting. The schedule had changed, it 999 00:55:23.159 --> 00:55:25.079 had moved later in the summer, so I can no 1000 00:55:25.159 --> 00:55:27.360 longer predict when I'm going to get the marks. The 1001 00:55:27.440 --> 00:55:32.760 Saturdays in May and then following every two weeks. That 1002 00:55:33.440 --> 00:55:35.400 doesn't happen anymore. It took a break. I didn't get 1003 00:55:35.440 --> 00:55:38.599 a single one for a year, and the other moderator 1004 00:55:38.599 --> 00:55:40.599 of the Redgood Mark group had the same thing happened 1005 00:55:40.599 --> 00:55:42.440 to her. So we must have been on the same 1006 00:55:43.159 --> 00:55:46.280 visitation schedule because we didn't get marks for almost a year, 1007 00:55:47.159 --> 00:55:50.760 and then in the summer of the following year the 1008 00:55:50.800 --> 00:55:55.960 mark started again and I would get them probably once 1009 00:55:56.000 --> 00:56:00.079 every three weeks, but I couldn't establish any pattern. They 1010 00:56:00.119 --> 00:56:02.960 were coming on random days and during the week. So 1011 00:56:03.159 --> 00:56:05.960 I have one year's worth of data, but I don't 1012 00:56:06.000 --> 00:56:09.199 have anything to compare it to. So the last one 1013 00:56:09.239 --> 00:56:13.760 I got, I believe, was in the middle of August, 1014 00:56:14.039 --> 00:56:17.039 so they started really late in the beginning of July, 1015 00:56:17.400 --> 00:56:19.800 and I had that one in late August, and that 1016 00:56:19.880 --> 00:56:20.840 was the last one I got. 1017 00:56:22.119 --> 00:56:24.960 Now with yours, are they just randomly throughout your body? 1018 00:56:25.000 --> 00:56:28.000 They all still somewhat staying up on your back area 1019 00:56:28.239 --> 00:56:29.119 up you shoulder. 1020 00:56:29.840 --> 00:56:32.199 They've all been on my back for years. The original 1021 00:56:32.239 --> 00:56:35.639 one I got on my shoulder was huge, and that 1022 00:56:35.719 --> 00:56:38.199 was the only one I ever got there. Everyone I 1023 00:56:38.239 --> 00:56:41.199 got after that was on my back, And it's usually 1024 00:56:41.280 --> 00:56:44.920 spine centric, so I'll get like I had a hexagon 1025 00:56:45.000 --> 00:56:47.000 coming off of the middle of my spine. One time 1026 00:56:47.079 --> 00:56:49.920 I had the line, But most of the time, most 1027 00:56:49.920 --> 00:56:53.280 of the marks are on the top left of my 1028 00:56:53.440 --> 00:56:57.639 back or on the bottom right, and sometimes I'll get 1029 00:56:57.639 --> 00:57:00.679 them in both spots at once, but they love those 1030 00:57:00.719 --> 00:57:04.840 spots more than others almost like that's their consistency. 1031 00:57:07.360 --> 00:57:13.599 Now, if it's around your spine, obviously that's connext to 1032 00:57:13.639 --> 00:57:16.119 your nervous system and everything else through there, Like that's 1033 00:57:16.400 --> 00:57:18.280 the main part of your body. So if it's there 1034 00:57:18.320 --> 00:57:20.199 for a reason, like if they're looking for something, that 1035 00:57:20.239 --> 00:57:22.360 would be an area like obviously besides your head and 1036 00:57:22.360 --> 00:57:25.000 your brain, that would be your spine is the other 1037 00:57:25.039 --> 00:57:28.519 major function for movements and everything else. I'm wondering if 1038 00:57:28.519 --> 00:57:31.360 that has anything to do with it. But other people 1039 00:57:31.400 --> 00:57:33.280 have had them in just random spots, like he's at 1040 00:57:33.320 --> 00:57:39.079 the wrist or random spot forehead, Like there's no real 1041 00:57:39.159 --> 00:57:41.079 rhyme or reason where these are showing up at So 1042 00:57:41.119 --> 00:57:43.639 it's again with me trying to rationalize it. It's just 1043 00:57:44.920 --> 00:57:47.239 I can't my head around the purpose. 1044 00:57:48.119 --> 00:57:51.000 It's kind of like, uh, the survivor's bias, right, Like 1045 00:57:51.039 --> 00:57:54.599 the planes that would return, we would see all these 1046 00:57:54.639 --> 00:57:57.039 bullet holes in these planes, but those were the ones 1047 00:57:57.079 --> 00:58:00.679 that came back, So there's no sense in armoring the 1048 00:58:00.760 --> 00:58:03.920 places that the planes that returned have been shot in. 1049 00:58:04.480 --> 00:58:09.199 So we don't see them in like the back of 1050 00:58:09.239 --> 00:58:12.800 your knee, or we don't see them in between your toes, 1051 00:58:13.280 --> 00:58:16.480 and we don't see them in places that are exceptionally 1052 00:58:16.559 --> 00:58:21.800 grooved like your ears. I think that like the application 1053 00:58:22.000 --> 00:58:25.400 marks with the thighs and the back where they've printed 1054 00:58:25.400 --> 00:58:30.039 it multiple times, they want a large planar surface as 1055 00:58:30.119 --> 00:58:35.239 much as possible to reduce the amount of error that 1056 00:58:35.280 --> 00:58:38.400 could happen with the mark, So they would never put 1057 00:58:38.440 --> 00:58:40.760 it on something like the back of the knee where 1058 00:58:40.760 --> 00:58:43.760 it's got too many angles going on it. Just whatever 1059 00:58:43.840 --> 00:58:46.480 data they're looking for out of burning the skin, they're 1060 00:58:46.480 --> 00:58:48.519 not going to get it on a big curved surface 1061 00:58:48.599 --> 00:58:52.000 like that. It's got to be something relatively flat, and 1062 00:58:52.039 --> 00:58:56.920 you'll see this a lot. But take for example, the 1063 00:58:57.079 --> 00:58:59.920 solid marks right, you can see the whole thing, and 1064 00:59:00.000 --> 00:59:03.239 and it's usually on a pretty plane arm place like 1065 00:59:03.480 --> 00:59:06.280 the thigh or the back, but you get a lot 1066 00:59:06.320 --> 00:59:08.159 of them, like the one I got on my shoulder. 1067 00:59:08.559 --> 00:59:12.559 As it moved down my back, it faded out over 1068 00:59:12.599 --> 00:59:16.000 the curve and caused a gradient. And you'll see that 1069 00:59:16.119 --> 00:59:18.960 a lot, like if you'll get one on your wrist. 1070 00:59:19.440 --> 00:59:21.719 As the wrist starts to curve off to the right, 1071 00:59:22.159 --> 00:59:26.320 you get a gradient. Again, So it's almost it's not 1072 00:59:26.519 --> 00:59:29.599 this way, but you could imagine it this way, like 1073 00:59:29.760 --> 00:59:33.559 a flat piece of metal is stuck against the skin, 1074 00:59:34.320 --> 00:59:37.320 and then the radiation shown through it. You would get 1075 00:59:37.320 --> 00:59:40.239 that same curvature off the side of your arm or 1076 00:59:40.280 --> 00:59:42.559 on the curve of your back if you had a 1077 00:59:42.599 --> 00:59:46.039 metal plate pressed into your shoulder. But we know that's 1078 00:59:46.039 --> 00:59:48.599 not happening. But that's a great way to visualize it 1079 00:59:48.679 --> 00:59:55.000 and is pretty accurate as far as anticipating the marking 1080 00:59:55.039 --> 00:59:56.000 that gets left behind. 1081 00:59:56.840 --> 01:00:03.199 Now, if this is a higher intelligence, an extraterrestrial, I 1082 01:00:03.280 --> 01:00:06.960 find it strange. Obviously, if they're able to come here 1083 01:00:07.159 --> 01:00:11.679 and travel through space, they clearly have to be more 1084 01:00:12.519 --> 01:00:16.480 advanced than we are. And this it's kind of on 1085 01:00:16.519 --> 01:00:20.599 top of a little off topic. But I struggle trying 1086 01:00:20.599 --> 01:00:24.039 to comprehend that if they're able to travel trillions of 1087 01:00:24.119 --> 01:00:29.679 miles and they get here and somehow they crash to me, like, 1088 01:00:30.800 --> 01:00:33.039 how the hell did you travel trillions of miles and 1089 01:00:33.159 --> 01:00:34.840 you get here and you crash out in a desert 1090 01:00:35.400 --> 01:00:38.360 Like That's doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me. 1091 01:00:39.320 --> 01:00:43.000 And with this pattern, like if they're worried about having 1092 01:00:44.039 --> 01:00:45.800 Oh they screwed something up, so they got to redo 1093 01:00:45.840 --> 01:00:48.079 it in the same area because the first one didn't take. 1094 01:00:48.159 --> 01:00:51.119 It's like, if you're that far advanced, you can do this, 1095 01:00:51.280 --> 01:00:53.519 you shouldn't have mistakes. 1096 01:00:54.039 --> 01:00:57.199 Yeah, it shouldn't be like, oh, well, you know, Z 1097 01:00:57.480 --> 01:00:59.760 is the new guy on shift, and when he first 1098 01:00:59.760 --> 01:01:02.639 did that, he didn't land at the first time. If 1099 01:01:02.639 --> 01:01:07.320 you're from an extraterrestrial spacecraft that can travel across the 1100 01:01:07.360 --> 01:01:09.800 known universe into five physics, you would think you would 1101 01:01:09.840 --> 01:01:12.199 have maybe a computer that would just make sure you 1102 01:01:12.199 --> 01:01:13.280 got it right the first time. 1103 01:01:13.679 --> 01:01:15.760 Yeah, that's what I was just thinking about. I was like, 1104 01:01:15.800 --> 01:01:17.800 if they're able to travel and do all this, how 1105 01:01:17.840 --> 01:01:19.960 are they not getting it right on the first try? 1106 01:01:20.119 --> 01:01:21.840 And how are they getting here? And all of a sudden, 1107 01:01:21.840 --> 01:01:24.880 they just crash their ship out in the middle of nowhere, 1108 01:01:24.920 --> 01:01:27.639 and just like, oops, he's a new guy leaving Bee. 1109 01:01:28.519 --> 01:01:32.599 Maybe mistakes they're universal. You know, it's my first research expedition. 1110 01:01:33.400 --> 01:01:35.920 I rushed through the manual back on the home world, 1111 01:01:36.000 --> 01:01:40.320 and now I'm skittering into the desert. 1112 01:01:41.239 --> 01:01:43.760 Yeah, that's what I was always when they talk about 1113 01:01:43.760 --> 01:01:45.960 the whole roswell thing and this and that, which maybe 1114 01:01:45.960 --> 01:01:47.800 something really did crash out there. I have no idea, 1115 01:01:47.920 --> 01:01:52.159 but it's like I struggle with thinking, like, well, you 1116 01:01:52.320 --> 01:01:54.800 managed to get here in the first place, but then 1117 01:01:54.840 --> 01:01:57.800 you aren't able to manage to land in the middle 1118 01:01:57.800 --> 01:01:58.320 of nowhere. 1119 01:02:00.159 --> 01:02:03.719 I agree. I mean, somebody from another world had to 1120 01:02:03.760 --> 01:02:09.440 mess up royally. I mean, so bad if everybody's so 1121 01:02:09.559 --> 01:02:12.159 concerned about the secrecy and not being seen by the 1122 01:02:12.239 --> 01:02:15.920 humans and this guy just rams this thing right into 1123 01:02:15.960 --> 01:02:17.960 the middle of the desert on somebody's farm. I mean, 1124 01:02:19.119 --> 01:02:20.119 can you imagine the. 1125 01:02:20.599 --> 01:02:24.360 Show Intergalactic shame? 1126 01:02:25.280 --> 01:02:28.559 Oh man, his family is super disappointed and they got 1127 01:02:28.679 --> 01:02:33.400 to grieve just a just a terrible job assignment. Who knows, 1128 01:02:33.440 --> 01:02:36.280 who knows what they're like. Maybe they're individual. It's just 1129 01:02:36.320 --> 01:02:40.480 like we are, and sometimes you know, we hire people 1130 01:02:40.519 --> 01:02:44.599 into a position that it probably shouldn't be powering h 1131 01:02:45.360 --> 01:02:48.039 or using powered lifting equipment. 1132 01:02:50.519 --> 01:02:58.559 I think that's sometimes Bailey. But uh yeah, like the 1133 01:02:58.599 --> 01:03:02.599 whole pattern thing that it's just hard to wrap your 1134 01:03:02.599 --> 01:03:06.119 head around it because I don't know else to describe 1135 01:03:06.119 --> 01:03:08.480 it to people. Obviously they can look it up if 1136 01:03:08.480 --> 01:03:12.920 they're listening, but there's really no way for someone to 1137 01:03:13.039 --> 01:03:15.559 just make it up, like. 1138 01:03:15.920 --> 01:03:19.440 Especially in these high numbers, I mean thousands of people 1139 01:03:19.719 --> 01:03:23.519 and more every week with predictable marks. 1140 01:03:23.760 --> 01:03:26.840 No, I've seen some stuff to where I've been like, well, 1141 01:03:26.920 --> 01:03:29.039 I don't necessarily know about that, Like there's only been 1142 01:03:29.079 --> 01:03:32.039 like a couple splotches here or there, like that could 1143 01:03:32.039 --> 01:03:35.000 be anything. I'm more or less like it. When it's 1144 01:03:35.039 --> 01:03:37.800 the intricate patterns, those are the ones that are really 1145 01:03:37.800 --> 01:03:41.480 hard to write off because it's like if I only 1146 01:03:41.519 --> 01:03:45.800 had like a couple of dots, well, right, maybe I've 1147 01:03:45.800 --> 01:03:48.880 had a couple dots. I can't I don't know. I 1148 01:03:48.920 --> 01:03:50.920 wouldn't really think much of it. But if I woke 1149 01:03:51.000 --> 01:03:54.320 up and I have a big pattern on my back 1150 01:03:54.960 --> 01:03:57.920 or something looks very intricate, intelligent, like not just random, 1151 01:03:57.960 --> 01:03:59.719 it would be like, okay, well then there's something too. 1152 01:03:59.760 --> 01:04:02.039 And that's what really has caught my attention the most 1153 01:04:02.159 --> 01:04:05.960 is the designs on some of them, like you said, 1154 01:04:05.960 --> 01:04:09.440 with the seven point at star and like stuff like that. 1155 01:04:09.559 --> 01:04:11.599 To me, it's like, okay, well, this could have been 1156 01:04:13.039 --> 01:04:15.360 someone I guess could have done it, but again, for 1157 01:04:15.400 --> 01:04:19.639 what purpose. There's no Oh look at me, I got 1158 01:04:19.639 --> 01:04:21.039 attention on a Facebook group. 1159 01:04:21.559 --> 01:04:25.960 Okay, yeah, yeah, the ward is completely minimal to go 1160 01:04:26.159 --> 01:04:32.360 through such a massive amount of either pressure, pain or deliberation. 1161 01:04:33.400 --> 01:04:34.840 Yeah. 1162 01:04:34.920 --> 01:04:38.440 And some of them, yeah, clearly like the kids too. 1163 01:04:38.719 --> 01:04:42.679 You know, kids with a big old dot across their forehead, 1164 01:04:43.239 --> 01:04:47.239 red gridmark across their forehead. It's if the pinners. 1165 01:04:47.039 --> 01:04:49.719 Are doing that, CPS need to come after them. That's 1166 01:04:49.760 --> 01:04:51.360 the way I say, if you're really doing that your 1167 01:04:51.440 --> 01:04:54.039 kid for like, why are you torturing your child just 1168 01:04:54.079 --> 01:04:56.920 to get attention? Like it's stupid. 1169 01:04:57.119 --> 01:05:00.599 But even though I mean, what what do you like 1170 01:05:01.320 --> 01:05:04.400 to get a dot impression on the forehead, You've got 1171 01:05:04.440 --> 01:05:07.960 to have something that is shaped like your forehead too. 1172 01:05:08.000 --> 01:05:10.239 It's not enough to just stick your forehead on there, 1173 01:05:10.360 --> 01:05:12.239 because some of them will go around the side of 1174 01:05:12.280 --> 01:05:14.840 the head or they'll be under the chin, which is 1175 01:05:14.880 --> 01:05:18.159 another really unexplainable one. Right, that's a really hard angle 1176 01:05:18.199 --> 01:05:23.199 to get. So it's but it's real. At this point, 1177 01:05:23.239 --> 01:05:26.280 there's thousands of people. The real question is how many 1178 01:05:26.320 --> 01:05:28.719 people is it happening to that have no idea that 1179 01:05:28.760 --> 01:05:30.880 it's happening to them, because we might just be seeing 1180 01:05:30.920 --> 01:05:31.960 the outliers. 1181 01:05:33.039 --> 01:05:36.480 Yeah, because I don't ever look at my back, So 1182 01:05:36.760 --> 01:05:38.559 if I ever have something on my back, it's not 1183 01:05:38.719 --> 01:05:41.119 like I get out of the shower and exam in 1184 01:05:41.199 --> 01:05:43.199 my back every day or anything like that. I'm just 1185 01:05:43.280 --> 01:05:44.760 I get out of dr up, I get dressed. I 1186 01:05:44.760 --> 01:05:46.719 don't ever think about looking at something in an area 1187 01:05:46.760 --> 01:05:48.800 where I can't see. I've got tattoos on my back 1188 01:05:48.800 --> 01:05:50.000 that I couldn't tell you the last time I seen 1189 01:05:50.039 --> 01:05:51.880 them because I don't ever think about it. They're back there, 1190 01:05:51.880 --> 01:05:55.079 but I don't don't even know. I got another one 1191 01:05:55.159 --> 01:05:58.559 this past summer. My wife and I got something and 1192 01:06:00.159 --> 01:06:02.639 we have one tattoo that matches for our daughter, and 1193 01:06:02.679 --> 01:06:04.000 the guy's like, well, what shoulder do you want to 1194 01:06:04.000 --> 01:06:06.119 I was like, whichever shoulder that one tattoo is not on, 1195 01:06:06.159 --> 01:06:07.719 because I couldn't even tell you what shoulder it's on it. 1196 01:06:07.760 --> 01:06:09.760 This freakes I forgot because I don't ever see it. 1197 01:06:10.920 --> 01:06:15.000 So if I was to have a random marking back there, 1198 01:06:15.000 --> 01:06:15.719 I would never know. 1199 01:06:16.760 --> 01:06:19.920 Yeah, and you only got basically two days to see it, 1200 01:06:20.000 --> 01:06:22.639 so if you're not checking it every day, you're not 1201 01:06:22.639 --> 01:06:24.800 gonna catch it. And I think that's the point of 1202 01:06:24.840 --> 01:06:27.440 putting them on the back, like they it's like a 1203 01:06:27.559 --> 01:06:30.320 lazy sort of secrecy. If you just put it on 1204 01:06:30.320 --> 01:06:31.760 the back, you won't see it. But they don't think 1205 01:06:31.800 --> 01:06:33.480 about stuff like I'm gonna have my shirt off all 1206 01:06:33.559 --> 01:06:36.119 day at the beach. Everybody's gonna see this thing. Yeah, 1207 01:06:36.159 --> 01:06:38.280 but definitely when they hit the face and the wrist, 1208 01:06:38.320 --> 01:06:42.239 I mean, there's no two ways about it. Everybody's gonna 1209 01:06:42.280 --> 01:06:44.400 ask and you're just gonna have to say, I have 1210 01:06:44.519 --> 01:06:45.159 no idea. 1211 01:06:46.760 --> 01:06:49.079 Yeah, the face thing, to me, that's the one that's 1212 01:06:49.119 --> 01:06:52.480 like there's really no way of getting around that one. Like, hey, 1213 01:06:52.480 --> 01:06:55.920 you got something around on your forehead, Yep, what was 1214 01:06:55.960 --> 01:06:58.039 that from? I couldn't tell you. And then they're just 1215 01:06:58.039 --> 01:06:59.159 gonna look at you like you're crazy. 1216 01:07:00.320 --> 01:07:02.400 Yep. That's that's what a lot of people with red 1217 01:07:02.400 --> 01:07:05.039 goridmark have to deal with all the time. My family 1218 01:07:05.039 --> 01:07:07.079 and my girlfriend would see it all the time, and 1219 01:07:07.800 --> 01:07:11.280 I even I've shown my coworkers at one point, I mean, 1220 01:07:11.800 --> 01:07:14.079 I get the red good mark. I'm not lying here, 1221 01:07:14.119 --> 01:07:17.880 it is check it out and they're like, that is 1222 01:07:17.960 --> 01:07:23.280 actually very very strange and unexplainable. So once you realize, 1223 01:07:23.880 --> 01:07:26.360 once you get in the phenomenon, you know that it's 1224 01:07:26.360 --> 01:07:30.199 happening to you. Like, not everybody gets a lot of them, 1225 01:07:30.719 --> 01:07:34.159 but I would say maybe like a quarter a quarter 1226 01:07:34.239 --> 01:07:38.280 of us do get them constantly all the time, multiple 1227 01:07:38.320 --> 01:07:42.320 times a year, but probably no more than like eight 1228 01:07:42.360 --> 01:07:46.079 times a year. So you're always anticipating when's the next 1229 01:07:46.079 --> 01:07:48.519 one gonna come, and it just becomes a party of life. 1230 01:07:48.559 --> 01:07:50.960 Definitely at this point, it definitely has for me. It's 1231 01:07:50.960 --> 01:07:56.920 such a wonderful mystery to experience, and I feel I 1232 01:07:56.960 --> 01:08:01.119 feel very gifted for even getting to see this really bizarre, strange, 1233 01:08:01.199 --> 01:08:05.000 artificial phenomenon. But I do enjoy it definitely. 1234 01:08:06.679 --> 01:08:08.800 Now, if anyone wants to try and reach out to 1235 01:08:08.840 --> 01:08:11.880 you to contact the group or anything, you want to 1236 01:08:11.920 --> 01:08:14.559 tell them where they can go to try and help 1237 01:08:14.599 --> 01:08:15.440 spread the word on this. 1238 01:08:16.159 --> 01:08:19.039 Sure, Yeah, if you just go on Facebook, you can 1239 01:08:19.119 --> 01:08:21.439 join either one of the groups, there's a private group 1240 01:08:21.479 --> 01:08:24.800 and a public group and they're both called Red Gridmark Phenomenon. 1241 01:08:25.439 --> 01:08:29.159 One is called Experiencers and Researchers, and obviously that's private. 1242 01:08:29.319 --> 01:08:31.039 You have to answer a couple of questions to get 1243 01:08:31.039 --> 01:08:34.439 in because people are posting their bodies and there's experience 1244 01:08:34.520 --> 01:08:38.000 with Red Gridmark. And then the Discussion and Speculation group 1245 01:08:38.239 --> 01:08:41.399 that we just opened up recently is open to everybody, 1246 01:08:41.479 --> 01:08:44.439 so you can feel free to post about the subject 1247 01:08:44.600 --> 01:08:49.479 in there without any restrictions besides basics. But Experiencers and 1248 01:08:49.560 --> 01:08:53.640 Researchers is where the real data has happened so far, 1249 01:08:54.199 --> 01:08:58.880 and it really shines as far as showing how real 1250 01:08:58.960 --> 01:09:01.479 a phenomenon this is and how interesting it is. 1251 01:09:03.520 --> 01:09:06.640 Definitely, well, I think this is going to wrap it 1252 01:09:06.760 --> 01:09:08.840 up for tonight, and like I said, I'll definitely get 1253 01:09:08.880 --> 01:09:11.560 back with you because the occult stuff is definitely something 1254 01:09:11.560 --> 01:09:14.119 I would like to talk about in the future episode. 1255 01:09:15.000 --> 01:09:17.319 But I do appreciate you coming out and talking with me. 1256 01:09:19.840 --> 01:09:22.600 Yeah, I've I enjoyed our conversation. I look forward to 1257 01:09:22.640 --> 01:09:24.079 our future ones. I think we have a lot of 1258 01:09:24.119 --> 01:09:26.760 stories yet to share, in a lot of topics to 1259 01:09:26.800 --> 01:09:27.359 get into. 1260 01:09:27.840 --> 01:09:32.000 Yeah, definitely but again I appreciate it, and hopefully this 1261 01:09:32.079 --> 01:09:36.239 is a discussion that others will listen to and start 1262 01:09:36.279 --> 01:09:39.159 researching for themselves. And who knows, maybe they've encountered it 1263 01:09:39.159 --> 01:09:40.399 and haven't even realized that yet. 1264 01:09:40.720 --> 01:09:44.800 So maybe snow we'll see if they haven't. He read 1265 01:09:44.800 --> 01:09:47.720 goodmark phenomenon, they know where to find us now, lots 1266 01:09:47.760 --> 01:09:48.920 of good to look into. 1267 01:09:49.960 --> 01:09:52.479 All right, Well, thanks Justin and I'll be in touch. 1268 01:09:52.800 --> 01:09:54.199 All right, talk to you later, Brandon. 1269 01:09:54.279 --> 01:09:58.319 Yep, thank you, see it. I like to take this 1270 01:09:58.399 --> 01:10:00.840 time to day to welcome my guest, Dan Daniel. Thanks 1271 01:10:00.880 --> 01:10:01.880 for coming on talking with me. 1272 01:10:02.600 --> 01:10:03.359 Thanks for having me. 1273 01:10:03.880 --> 01:10:06.800 So what exactly is it that you do for the 1274 01:10:06.880 --> 01:10:09.119 listeners out there to give them a little bit of 1275 01:10:09.159 --> 01:10:13.239 an idea of what you're researching in. How we've gotten 1276 01:10:13.319 --> 01:10:16.720 contact with each other and the field your studies are in. 1277 01:10:17.840 --> 01:10:20.920 Sure? Thank you. Yeah. So we got connected on the 1278 01:10:20.960 --> 01:10:26.880 Red gridmark Phenomenon Researchers and Experiencers group that's on Facebook. 1279 01:10:27.159 --> 01:10:29.840 It's a great group for people who experience the red 1280 01:10:29.880 --> 01:10:36.079 gridmark phenomenon to share photos of this anomalous and geometric 1281 01:10:36.119 --> 01:10:42.800 body mark. I got interested in researching that phenomenon primarily 1282 01:10:42.840 --> 01:10:47.880 because it seemed to me associated with ET contact dreams, 1283 01:10:48.399 --> 01:10:52.880 but also because the experiencers were not as freaked out 1284 01:10:53.039 --> 01:10:57.199 about these marks as other body mark experiences are. So 1285 01:10:57.279 --> 01:11:01.279 I was really fascinated with that. My field of study 1286 01:11:01.399 --> 01:11:05.640 and my focus of research is in ET contact and dreams. 1287 01:11:06.079 --> 01:11:09.640 Nowadays we use the term non human intelligence rather than 1288 01:11:09.680 --> 01:11:15.840 ET to keep the hypotheses open from just these space 1289 01:11:15.920 --> 01:11:20.119 travelers too. They might be something else, maybe angels, maybe fairies, 1290 01:11:20.279 --> 01:11:24.920 maybe ourselves in another dimension, that sort of thing. And 1291 01:11:25.159 --> 01:11:31.359 I work with people directly through dreamwork and hypnosis services. 1292 01:11:31.439 --> 01:11:34.319 So I've been focused on that for about three years 1293 01:11:34.359 --> 01:11:39.000 straight now, working with people with missing time. And I'm 1294 01:11:39.119 --> 01:11:45.119 in a PhD program and instant integral Noetics Sciences, which 1295 01:11:45.159 --> 01:11:50.079 is sort of like a update to parapsychology, and my 1296 01:11:50.199 --> 01:11:54.159 research focus there is ET contact and dreams. So thanks 1297 01:11:54.199 --> 01:11:57.119 for having me to talk about these fascinating phenomenon. 1298 01:11:58.159 --> 01:12:00.279 Now I need to thank me. I'm grateful to have 1299 01:12:00.319 --> 01:12:03.159 you on here. That's a lot of topics that I 1300 01:12:03.239 --> 01:12:06.039 try to go down for episodes and everything, So any 1301 01:12:06.119 --> 01:12:08.760 type of information that I can bring out there for 1302 01:12:08.800 --> 01:12:11.920 the audience, I definitely appreciate that. Great. 1303 01:12:13.279 --> 01:12:17.239 Yeah, So I do a lot of research with the 1304 01:12:17.279 --> 01:12:20.520 red gridmark groups. There's two ways I do research with them, 1305 01:12:20.560 --> 01:12:24.560 and I'll talk about this topic first and foremost as 1306 01:12:24.600 --> 01:12:28.359 the focus here just because we connected there on the group. 1307 01:12:29.319 --> 01:12:31.760 And the way I work with the REG grid mark 1308 01:12:31.760 --> 01:12:38.439 group is I'm conducting a survey about dreams in association 1309 01:12:38.640 --> 01:12:42.439 with the red gridmark phenomena. Justin, the moderator of the group, 1310 01:12:42.880 --> 01:12:47.119 spoke a bit about the survey he ran in your podcast, 1311 01:12:47.279 --> 01:12:50.000 and that survey covered about one hundred and thirty or 1312 01:12:50.039 --> 01:12:53.279 one hundred and forty experiencers of the REG gridmark phenomena, 1313 01:12:53.720 --> 01:12:58.840 and it described its appearance, how it shows up on 1314 01:12:58.880 --> 01:13:02.600 the body, what happens, and so we know that there 1315 01:13:02.640 --> 01:13:04.720 are patterns to the red grid mark, and for your 1316 01:13:04.760 --> 01:13:08.119 listeners who are unfamiliar with that, I'd recommend checking out 1317 01:13:08.600 --> 01:13:13.520 Justin Sanderson's interview with you. But I'll go briefly into 1318 01:13:13.560 --> 01:13:17.000 what it is. It's it's a mark that appears on 1319 01:13:17.079 --> 01:13:21.760 people's bodies in mysterious ways, and it's highly geometric. It's 1320 01:13:21.800 --> 01:13:26.760 basically a grid of red dots that show up in 1321 01:13:26.880 --> 01:13:31.479 mysterious ways, and these dots appear to be like radiation 1322 01:13:31.680 --> 01:13:37.640 burns or burst capillaries under the skin. Generally there is 1323 01:13:38.439 --> 01:13:42.640 a discernible pattern that may be applied multiple times to 1324 01:13:42.680 --> 01:13:46.920 the skin it looks like and people generally find them 1325 01:13:47.000 --> 01:13:51.239 upon waking or they don't remember how these appear, but 1326 01:13:51.319 --> 01:13:56.119 there are some experiencers who report seeing them appear there 1327 01:13:56.359 --> 01:14:01.239 in daytime. And it's there's a lot of contradictory or 1328 01:14:01.439 --> 01:14:08.239 paradoxical characteristics of the phenomena. What those characteristics are. It 1329 01:14:08.319 --> 01:14:14.199 is associated with entity visitation, either through a direct association 1330 01:14:14.399 --> 01:14:20.479 with alien abduction or through strange kind of remembered or 1331 01:14:20.960 --> 01:14:25.840 even just not necessarily remembered but intuitive dreamlike experiences of 1332 01:14:26.600 --> 01:14:33.680 entity encounters. And these include spirits, spirit guides, ghosts, ancestors, etes, 1333 01:14:34.119 --> 01:14:40.359 and you know others. Let's say, and that the prevalence 1334 01:14:40.399 --> 01:14:44.199 of people reporting these strange dreams and entity encounters appears 1335 01:14:44.239 --> 01:14:49.359 to be more prevalent in this community of experiences than 1336 01:14:49.640 --> 01:14:54.960 in the normal population or in other similar types of phenomena. 1337 01:14:55.119 --> 01:14:58.479 So that's why I was really interested in it. And 1338 01:14:58.479 --> 01:15:02.600 it's a very regular phenomenon. Thousands of people experience it. 1339 01:15:04.000 --> 01:15:08.000 People have gone to dermatologists. I worked with a Harvard 1340 01:15:08.039 --> 01:15:13.439 trained plastic surgeon who experienced the mark during a brain 1341 01:15:13.560 --> 01:15:17.039 tumor surgery and had a team of doctors look at 1342 01:15:17.039 --> 01:15:19.960 it and they couldn't figure it out. So there's a 1343 01:15:20.000 --> 01:15:25.960 lot of jury associated here. So I conduct a survey 1344 01:15:26.840 --> 01:15:30.239 that that's still underway. I'll probably it'll probably run for 1345 01:15:30.279 --> 01:15:32.960 a few more months, and then I'll summarize the data 1346 01:15:33.159 --> 01:15:36.600 and produce a report. The other way I work with 1347 01:15:36.680 --> 01:15:40.319 people there's is through dreamwork and hypnosis. I've worked with 1348 01:15:40.439 --> 01:15:45.720 red grid mark experiencers. We've gone through a regression hypnosis 1349 01:15:45.720 --> 01:15:49.720 to understand what happens. I have a lot of thought 1350 01:15:49.840 --> 01:15:53.399 and research around what regression hypnosis is and can do, 1351 01:15:53.760 --> 01:15:55.960 and that's a topic we can dive into a bit later, 1352 01:15:57.079 --> 01:16:00.439 and that that brings forward some really meaningful information for 1353 01:16:00.560 --> 01:16:04.399 the experiencers that may or may not necessarily be relevant 1354 01:16:04.399 --> 01:16:09.319 to the whole community. For example, gray aliens show up 1355 01:16:09.319 --> 01:16:13.359 in some of them, sometimes as spirits, and that sense 1356 01:16:13.399 --> 01:16:17.199 of identification of who's doing the mark is meaningful to 1357 01:16:17.239 --> 01:16:20.920 the experiencer, but as a community it may or may 1358 01:16:20.960 --> 01:16:25.199 not be applicable, primarily because there may be multiple types 1359 01:16:25.239 --> 01:16:28.800 of agents working on the other side producing this mark. 1360 01:16:29.960 --> 01:16:33.239 The final domain of work I do with the red 1361 01:16:33.239 --> 01:16:38.079 grid mark phenomenon is geometric analysis. So I use Euclidean 1362 01:16:38.319 --> 01:16:41.720 constructive geometry. This is based on ruler and compass. This 1363 01:16:41.760 --> 01:16:46.239 is sort of like elementary geometry circles and lines and squares, 1364 01:16:46.640 --> 01:16:50.479 and I use that type of geometry to analyze the 1365 01:16:50.560 --> 01:16:55.560 marks and to basically count the number of dots to 1366 01:16:55.600 --> 01:16:58.399 say this is a hexagonal grid or a square grid. 1367 01:16:58.880 --> 01:17:03.560 And I use that process to discern or make meaning 1368 01:17:03.760 --> 01:17:06.199 of the mark in whatever way I can. So I 1369 01:17:06.520 --> 01:17:09.439 can say it's placed next to this birthmark in a 1370 01:17:09.520 --> 01:17:13.760 sacred geometric proportion. I can say it's a hexagonal grid. 1371 01:17:14.119 --> 01:17:18.479 I can say that the mark itself is composed or 1372 01:17:18.880 --> 01:17:22.960 must have been applied in specific ways so that I 1373 01:17:23.000 --> 01:17:27.319 can start discerning what is how the mark is manifesting, 1374 01:17:27.479 --> 01:17:29.720 and what we can know about it. And it turns 1375 01:17:29.720 --> 01:17:32.680 out there's a lot we can know about the mark 1376 01:17:32.760 --> 01:17:36.399 itself just from looking at how it appears on the body, 1377 01:17:37.479 --> 01:17:41.319 and primarily that insight. The insight that I have is 1378 01:17:41.319 --> 01:17:46.159 that it must be an intelligent mark maker that has 1379 01:17:46.399 --> 01:17:51.039 some level of empathy with us in our theory of mind. 1380 01:17:51.439 --> 01:17:57.159 They know we are looking at it, they are aware 1381 01:17:57.359 --> 01:18:00.479 of our intelligence and how we perceive it, and there 1382 01:18:01.039 --> 01:18:05.079 working with us to have some level of communication. This 1383 01:18:05.279 --> 01:18:08.359 is the This is the conclusion I'm coming to, is 1384 01:18:08.399 --> 01:18:11.800 that the market itself is, in addition to all it 1385 01:18:11.840 --> 01:18:17.199 could be, is some form of geometric communication from these 1386 01:18:17.479 --> 01:18:23.000 entities to us. And that might involve communication of meaning 1387 01:18:23.079 --> 01:18:27.640 across multiple phases of consciousness, the waking and dreaming phases. 1388 01:18:27.840 --> 01:18:32.880 It might involve some other mode of communication. So those 1389 01:18:32.880 --> 01:18:34.800 three ways are how I work with a group. 1390 01:18:37.760 --> 01:18:41.920 Now, you've never actually had experiences with your own, have you? 1391 01:18:44.439 --> 01:18:48.680 So I have had an experience. I've had anomalist body 1392 01:18:48.720 --> 01:18:51.760 marks in association with the red gridmark phenomenon. 1393 01:18:51.800 --> 01:18:52.079 Group. 1394 01:18:52.199 --> 01:18:56.119 It is not red gridmark. My kid. Recently, my twelve 1395 01:18:56.199 --> 01:18:59.600 year old son had what appeared to be the reg 1396 01:18:59.600 --> 01:19:03.760 grid mark phenomena on his face. But we did research 1397 01:19:03.960 --> 01:19:07.359 and we found out that he had pressed his face 1398 01:19:07.479 --> 01:19:13.479 against a hexagonal dotted grid metal shelf thing that had 1399 01:19:13.680 --> 01:19:16.359 was on casters these wheels so he would roll it 1400 01:19:16.399 --> 01:19:18.680 around the floor and sort of just play with it 1401 01:19:18.680 --> 01:19:22.359 with our cobbler, and had ended up pushing his face 1402 01:19:22.960 --> 01:19:26.039 into this grid thing. So I had about a day 1403 01:19:26.079 --> 01:19:29.680 of going, oh my god, my son's being marked by 1404 01:19:29.680 --> 01:19:32.760 the red grid mark. What does this mean? So we 1405 01:19:32.840 --> 01:19:35.520 looked around and I had that experience of finding a 1406 01:19:35.600 --> 01:19:39.479 prosaic explanation for this and go, oh okay. He just 1407 01:19:39.520 --> 01:19:42.239 pressed the space into it in this really weird way. 1408 01:19:42.279 --> 01:19:47.079 He was sort of wrestling with this shelf experience. So 1409 01:19:47.399 --> 01:19:51.039 that was a recent experience. The anomalist body mark in 1410 01:19:51.119 --> 01:19:54.560 association with the red grid mark is a rose. I 1411 01:19:54.680 --> 01:20:00.279 believe because I did a CE five style invitation. So 1412 01:20:00.359 --> 01:20:04.359 I started when I worked with a ridmark for about 1413 01:20:04.359 --> 01:20:07.000 a year or so, and then I realized that I 1414 01:20:07.119 --> 01:20:10.000 personally was not afraid of the mark makers, that I 1415 01:20:10.079 --> 01:20:14.680 was discerning a sense of communication and even humor in 1416 01:20:14.279 --> 01:20:18.800 the marks themselves and beauty creativity. And I started seeing 1417 01:20:18.880 --> 01:20:23.640 qualities of mind these marks that appear to be perhaps 1418 01:20:23.760 --> 01:20:27.319 human or perhaps human like, and so I realized that 1419 01:20:27.479 --> 01:20:31.680 perhaps they might respond to a CE five style invitation. 1420 01:20:32.720 --> 01:20:34.960 For those who don't know what CE five is, it 1421 01:20:35.000 --> 01:20:39.760 was a method of human initiated contact experience popularized by 1422 01:20:39.800 --> 01:20:43.560 doctor Stephen Greer and his documentaries like Gotten Acknowledged or 1423 01:20:43.600 --> 01:20:47.560 Close Encounters of the Fifth Kind. These are really just 1424 01:20:47.760 --> 01:20:50.560 it's a meditation. You use the power of my mind 1425 01:20:50.600 --> 01:20:52.560 to set an intention and say, hey, I'm willing to 1426 01:20:52.560 --> 01:20:57.239 have an experience of contact with these entities. You set 1427 01:20:57.319 --> 01:21:00.520 up certain guide rails, obviously, so you don't open the 1428 01:21:00.560 --> 01:21:04.720 door to all source of entities. But in particular, I said, hey, 1429 01:21:04.960 --> 01:21:07.600 red grid mark makers, I believe you're humorous, I believe 1430 01:21:07.600 --> 01:21:11.359 you're kind. I don't believe you're harmful. You're allowed to 1431 01:21:11.399 --> 01:21:15.960 mark my body, you know. So I offered that invitation. 1432 01:21:16.079 --> 01:21:20.239 In About four months later, I experienced an anomalous geometric 1433 01:21:20.479 --> 01:21:23.880 body mark I first identified as red gridmark, but immediately 1434 01:21:23.920 --> 01:21:26.880 afterwards said no, no, no, this is absolutely not red 1435 01:21:26.920 --> 01:21:30.600 grid mark. But it is geometric. So I have a 1436 01:21:30.640 --> 01:21:32.399 little bit of a sense as to what it's like 1437 01:21:32.479 --> 01:21:36.600 to be marked with a geometric mark, but it is 1438 01:21:36.640 --> 01:21:37.920 definitely not red gridmark. 1439 01:21:39.279 --> 01:21:41.520 How often do you think people are actually marked and 1440 01:21:41.520 --> 01:21:42.439 they just run a ware. 1441 01:21:44.640 --> 01:21:48.840 That's a really good question. I see my personal experience 1442 01:21:48.880 --> 01:21:52.880 when I when I've looked into this, I mean my 1443 01:21:52.960 --> 01:21:55.399 personal experience. I was marked on the body. I was 1444 01:21:55.439 --> 01:21:58.439 definitely aware of that, and I perceived the mark, and 1445 01:21:58.479 --> 01:22:01.359 I said, hey, this is GMT. This is intelligent. This 1446 01:22:01.479 --> 01:22:05.119 is the result of some sort of interaction. It is 1447 01:22:05.199 --> 01:22:08.399 not an accident. It's not bed bugs, it's not these 1448 01:22:08.439 --> 01:22:12.800 other things. But I was unable to substantiate or even 1449 01:22:12.880 --> 01:22:16.079 remember what happened. I was like, everyone I talked to 1450 01:22:16.359 --> 01:22:18.880 will say, hey, that kind of that's like bed bugs 1451 01:22:18.960 --> 01:22:21.880 or something. I don't know. And there's a thing that 1452 01:22:22.039 --> 01:22:24.800 happens with the conscious mind when we don't have a 1453 01:22:24.920 --> 01:22:28.800 rational explanation, we want to shut down and not just 1454 01:22:28.880 --> 01:22:32.479 even open up to it. So even though I experienced 1455 01:22:32.520 --> 01:22:34.800 the body mark, even though clearly to one part of 1456 01:22:34.800 --> 01:22:37.880 my mind it was geometric and meaningful, the other part 1457 01:22:37.920 --> 01:22:40.880 of my mind said, no, I'll just forget about it. 1458 01:22:41.000 --> 01:22:44.640 And so I've had experiences all of my life with 1459 01:22:44.720 --> 01:22:48.239 these things, but I've forgotten a lot about those experiences 1460 01:22:48.319 --> 01:22:52.079 just because I don't have a means to make sense 1461 01:22:52.079 --> 01:22:57.159 of them from this perspective. So in there's something called 1462 01:22:57.680 --> 01:23:02.560 state specific memory, and this is the mechanism that causes 1463 01:23:02.680 --> 01:23:06.399 us to remember things based on smells. Right, So there's 1464 01:23:06.439 --> 01:23:09.760 a specific state associated with those things, like a smell 1465 01:23:09.760 --> 01:23:13.479 of a childhood home. If you smell something unique from 1466 01:23:13.520 --> 01:23:15.880 there that reminds you of that place, you have much 1467 01:23:15.920 --> 01:23:20.359 more access to memory associated with that smell. And so 1468 01:23:20.439 --> 01:23:23.239 in the same way you know waking life. We don't 1469 01:23:23.239 --> 01:23:26.039 have a lot of memory of these encounters, but if 1470 01:23:26.079 --> 01:23:28.880 we start to encounter things that remind us of it, 1471 01:23:29.560 --> 01:23:33.000 the state specific memories start coming back. This is a 1472 01:23:33.199 --> 01:23:36.479 long way to get to the answer of probably a 1473 01:23:36.520 --> 01:23:40.000 lot more than we expect. People are receiving these marks. 1474 01:23:41.960 --> 01:23:44.560 A lot of times we just understand that, hey, maybe 1475 01:23:44.560 --> 01:23:50.760 a bed but bit or insect or hit against something. 1476 01:23:52.159 --> 01:23:54.399 A lot of people do respond to my work because 1477 01:23:54.399 --> 01:23:57.640 I've been posting the geometric analysis. I say, hey, there's 1478 01:23:57.720 --> 01:24:02.479 meaning here, there's strong geommetry. It seems communicative. You can 1479 01:24:02.520 --> 01:24:06.680 discern this meaning yourself by applying geometry to it. They go, okay, 1480 01:24:06.720 --> 01:24:10.840 so there's something about that that gives people to respond 1481 01:24:10.880 --> 01:24:13.439 to me, and they say, I've had these all my life. 1482 01:24:13.520 --> 01:24:16.760 Here's some photos like I just didn't talk about it. 1483 01:24:16.840 --> 01:24:22.840 So I personally believe that there are at least dozens 1484 01:24:23.239 --> 01:24:27.800 of similar body marks to what I received. And I 1485 01:24:28.359 --> 01:24:32.000 believe I've discovered this phenomenon in so far that I've 1486 01:24:32.359 --> 01:24:37.520 connected the dots of this type of characteristic mark, just 1487 01:24:37.560 --> 01:24:40.520 like justin opened up the space of the red grid mark. 1488 01:24:40.600 --> 01:24:45.079 Researcher and Experiencer Group and there's thousands of people that 1489 01:24:45.159 --> 01:24:48.199 are now responding, so we really just need to open 1490 01:24:48.279 --> 01:24:51.159 up and say, hey, this is a thing that's happening. 1491 01:24:51.399 --> 01:24:54.640 It's meaningful. We can't deduce a lot about it quite yet. 1492 01:24:54.680 --> 01:24:57.439 We don't know what's happening. This is not self harm, 1493 01:24:57.840 --> 01:25:01.880 this is not bed bugs. This is something anomaloust and meaningful. 1494 01:25:02.399 --> 01:25:05.119 And if we were to do that as a mainstream culture, 1495 01:25:05.279 --> 01:25:11.119 I would suspect that somewhere in the range of one 1496 01:25:11.159 --> 01:25:16.399 to five percent of people would have experienced something like that. 1497 01:25:16.439 --> 01:25:20.319 And that's just a broad gass, so it would be 1498 01:25:20.640 --> 01:25:23.239 not common but not rare. 1499 01:25:26.520 --> 01:25:29.199 Actually, it was emailed by someone I just brought it 1500 01:25:29.279 --> 01:25:33.640 up here apparently during my interview we mentioned it was 1501 01:25:33.680 --> 01:25:37.039 a recent phenomenon, and they said they were experiencing back 1502 01:25:37.039 --> 01:25:41.319 in nineteen seventy two through nineteen seventy eight, okay, and 1503 01:25:41.359 --> 01:25:44.199 they said back then obviously didn't have cameras like we 1504 01:25:44.199 --> 01:25:46.039 do with phones and stuff today, so they weren't able 1505 01:25:46.079 --> 01:25:47.680 just to pop out a camera and take a photo. 1506 01:25:48.760 --> 01:25:53.000 But yep, and then I've been I have to go 1507 01:25:53.039 --> 01:25:55.359 back and find the other one. But someone also reached 1508 01:25:55.359 --> 01:25:57.239 out right after the episode it aired with justin and 1509 01:25:57.279 --> 01:26:00.840 they said what people are experiences is stick. My I'm like, 1510 01:26:00.920 --> 01:26:04.479 that's not really the same thing, because I thought stigmata 1511 01:26:04.560 --> 01:26:09.159 like you bleed, there's like holes and it's more like 1512 01:26:09.760 --> 01:26:14.159 from the crucifixion of Christ. So I don't really think 1513 01:26:14.199 --> 01:26:18.039 that's the same as the red grid marks. Red grid 1514 01:26:18.039 --> 01:26:20.159 mark you don't have blood or anything like that. They're 1515 01:26:20.199 --> 01:26:23.680 literally just with these markings on your body that you 1516 01:26:23.720 --> 01:26:27.520 don't necessarily feel or anything like that. 1517 01:26:27.520 --> 01:26:31.239 That's right, yeah, in the so the body mark phenomenon 1518 01:26:31.720 --> 01:26:34.600 has been with us as long as like history, right, 1519 01:26:34.640 --> 01:26:37.680 you talk about stigmata, that's the thing that's happened that 1520 01:26:37.880 --> 01:26:42.640 was generally kicked off after Saint Francis, and there's very 1521 01:26:42.640 --> 01:26:47.800 interesting paintings of him being shot with a beam of 1522 01:26:47.920 --> 01:26:51.560 light from you know, like Jesus in something that looks 1523 01:26:51.600 --> 01:26:56.119 like a spacecraft, right, like a Sarah seraph, which is 1524 01:26:56.159 --> 01:26:59.520 a sacred is it's depicted as a sacred geometric form 1525 01:26:59.560 --> 01:27:02.479 with like in the face of Christ shooting a beam 1526 01:27:02.520 --> 01:27:05.680 of light at him and then he gets the stigmata. 1527 01:27:06.840 --> 01:27:10.880 It happens. Stigmata has happened since then, and then before 1528 01:27:10.920 --> 01:27:16.000 then there was there are accounts of body marks in 1529 01:27:16.119 --> 01:27:21.119 association with fairies and witches generally is where there's a 1530 01:27:21.159 --> 01:27:24.720 lot of a lot more documentation that goes back hundreds 1531 01:27:24.760 --> 01:27:30.039 of years. And the question for me is if these 1532 01:27:30.079 --> 01:27:33.600 are the same phenomena are different. If they're the same phenomena, 1533 01:27:33.920 --> 01:27:39.159 something's happening within the physical body that is almost psychosomatic, 1534 01:27:39.319 --> 01:27:46.000 and it's responding to a spiritual template or religious templates. 1535 01:27:46.119 --> 01:27:50.960 So because the stigmatic experiencers are religious and use the 1536 01:27:51.119 --> 01:27:55.560 iconography of Christ on the cross, they receive the holes, 1537 01:27:56.119 --> 01:27:59.399 holes in the hand, or wrists that are bloody. But 1538 01:28:00.199 --> 01:28:04.640 if the experiencers are more technologically oriented, like modern people, 1539 01:28:04.920 --> 01:28:10.439 they might receive a template of interaction that's based on 1540 01:28:12.079 --> 01:28:19.880 uh technological motifs like hybridization or medical experimentation. And a 1541 01:28:19.960 --> 01:28:24.800 hypothesis could be put forward that the non human intelligences 1542 01:28:25.279 --> 01:28:29.359 have a kind of quality of formlessness, but when they 1543 01:28:29.439 --> 01:28:35.600 interact with humans in historical time, they need forms, and 1544 01:28:35.640 --> 01:28:39.680 those forms are in part determined by our the contents 1545 01:28:39.680 --> 01:28:44.760 of our imagination. And this this type of hypothesis has 1546 01:28:44.800 --> 01:28:48.760 been put forward by the famous research researcher Jacques Bealat 1547 01:28:49.680 --> 01:28:53.560 when he observed the the long history of fairy law 1548 01:28:54.039 --> 01:28:58.039 in its correspondence with abduction law and seeing that there 1549 01:28:58.079 --> 01:29:03.920 are you know, similar experienced this happening when in the 1550 01:29:04.159 --> 01:29:06.399 distant past and we just said, hey, these are fairies 1551 01:29:06.439 --> 01:29:12.880 and angels. The sense of having the from the seventies 1552 01:29:12.960 --> 01:29:15.479 is interesting. I believe that may be one of the 1553 01:29:15.520 --> 01:29:19.239 earliest cases that people have discussed. There's one photograph of 1554 01:29:19.279 --> 01:29:22.680 the red gridmark in the sixties, but that was definitely 1555 01:29:22.680 --> 01:29:25.439 not red gridmark because it was a burn that someone 1556 01:29:25.600 --> 01:29:29.920 was hospitalized for in association with viewing a UFO. It 1557 01:29:30.000 --> 01:29:33.319 was sort of like understood to be an exhaust fume, 1558 01:29:33.319 --> 01:29:35.760 and that's called the Falcon Lake incident, and I believe 1559 01:29:35.800 --> 01:29:39.039 that was in the sixties, So I would I'd love 1560 01:29:39.079 --> 01:29:43.399 to follow up with that that about the red gridmark specifically. 1561 01:29:44.279 --> 01:29:46.680 Yeah, the email says us from nineteen seventy two to 1562 01:29:46.760 --> 01:29:50.359 nineteen seventy eight, and then they included a post that 1563 01:29:50.399 --> 01:29:52.279 they put on a Facebook group. So since it's out 1564 01:29:52.319 --> 01:29:55.000 on a Facebook group, I'll go ahead and read that. Yeah, 1565 01:29:55.079 --> 01:29:59.039 it said a recent post from the Scratches appearing on 1566 01:29:59.079 --> 01:30:01.359 a person in the night. My memory is something that 1567 01:30:01.680 --> 01:30:03.960 used to happen to me many years ago when I 1568 01:30:04.000 --> 01:30:06.439 was in my teens in early twenties, weird dot patterns 1569 01:30:06.479 --> 01:30:09.239 that would randomly appear in the upper left quadrant of 1570 01:30:09.279 --> 01:30:12.720 my back. No, it wasn't acne, It wasn't a rash. 1571 01:30:12.760 --> 01:30:15.159 The dots were a very precise in pattern. It didn't niche, 1572 01:30:15.479 --> 01:30:18.920 burn or hurt. The pattern was just there. No, I 1573 01:30:19.000 --> 01:30:21.000 wasn't sitting in my back against a chair that had 1574 01:30:21.039 --> 01:30:24.920 similar patterns. My dad was a science was My dad 1575 01:30:24.960 --> 01:30:28.680 was mister science, and he tried every rational explanation to 1576 01:30:28.720 --> 01:30:31.720 come up and came up empty. It happened at college, 1577 01:30:31.720 --> 01:30:35.760 and it happened at home. Mom took me to a dermatologist. 1578 01:30:36.159 --> 01:30:39.680 He was mystified. At some point it just stopped happening. 1579 01:30:39.960 --> 01:30:44.000 I'm not sure when has anybody had any experiences like 1580 01:30:44.079 --> 01:30:47.399 this or thoughts. So that was the post that they 1581 01:30:47.399 --> 01:30:51.199 had made on this group. But the like I said, 1582 01:30:51.239 --> 01:30:54.960 the person themselves actually emailed me after they found the episode, 1583 01:30:55.239 --> 01:31:00.640 and this was back in June. But they said, that's 1584 01:31:00.840 --> 01:31:03.319 back in nineteen seventy two through nineteen seventy eight and 1585 01:31:03.319 --> 01:31:04.560 then it just kind of quit happening. 1586 01:31:06.560 --> 01:31:10.479 Interesting, Yeah, that experience is very typical of red grid 1587 01:31:10.520 --> 01:31:15.399 mark precise grids no, pain, doesn't burn, doesn't itch. There's 1588 01:31:15.439 --> 01:31:20.479 a mystery that's present, but there's not necessarily the quality 1589 01:31:20.680 --> 01:31:24.880 of paranoia or fear that is typically associated with the 1590 01:31:24.880 --> 01:31:28.279 abduction marks, at least when I've done my research into 1591 01:31:29.000 --> 01:31:33.119 other body marks, there's you know, scratch marks or other 1592 01:31:33.199 --> 01:31:36.279 things like that, or dots, that sort of thing, and 1593 01:31:36.359 --> 01:31:39.479 people sometimes are much more freaked out by this. There's 1594 01:31:39.600 --> 01:31:44.520 sort of a sense of quiet mystery that's sort of perturbing, 1595 01:31:44.600 --> 01:31:50.239 but not necessarily like damaging or paranoia or something like that. 1596 01:31:51.000 --> 01:31:52.119 Thank you for sharing that. 1597 01:31:53.159 --> 01:31:57.239 Yeah, no problem. I've gotten a lot of emails actually 1598 01:31:57.560 --> 01:32:02.960 and comments and stuff from people. Someone actually tried to 1599 01:32:02.960 --> 01:32:04.359 get a hold of my wife to get a hold 1600 01:32:04.399 --> 01:32:08.279 of me because they found my thing on Facebook, and 1601 01:32:08.319 --> 01:32:11.000 I wasn't responding to their messages because it goes automatically 1602 01:32:11.039 --> 01:32:13.560 to your you're not a friend with the person that 1603 01:32:13.680 --> 01:32:16.560 goes to like a junk folder or something. Yep. So 1604 01:32:16.640 --> 01:32:18.760 they were messaging my wife to try and get hold 1605 01:32:18.760 --> 01:32:23.399 of me because they discover this on their spouse, and 1606 01:32:23.479 --> 01:32:25.600 I was like, I'm not an expert or anything about it. 1607 01:32:25.600 --> 01:32:28.680 Like I literally had a guy on that experienced it 1608 01:32:28.720 --> 01:32:30.600 and he has this group or whatever. But all these 1609 01:32:30.600 --> 01:32:33.239 people kind of reach out to me over this red gridmark, 1610 01:32:34.439 --> 01:32:38.319 and the more I've tried to dig into it, I've 1611 01:32:38.359 --> 01:32:40.680 actually went on different search engines. I've went to some 1612 01:32:40.800 --> 01:32:44.960 that like Duck Duck Go that aren't necessarily like monitored 1613 01:32:44.960 --> 01:32:48.279 by Google or whatever, and I still come up empty, 1614 01:32:48.439 --> 01:32:52.600 finding very little info about the REDI gridmark promise. I 1615 01:32:52.600 --> 01:32:54.720 still think it's something that's really low on the radar. 1616 01:32:56.479 --> 01:32:59.680 It is surprisingly low on the radar, I am. I'm 1617 01:32:59.680 --> 01:33:03.000 actually actually shocks. It took me a while to realize 1618 01:33:03.640 --> 01:33:07.039 just how low on the radar it is, you know, 1619 01:33:07.279 --> 01:33:10.119 because there's there's there's like two thousand people now in 1620 01:33:10.159 --> 01:33:15.520 the group. There's hundreds of photographs. Actually, Experiential Dreaming dot 1621 01:33:15.560 --> 01:33:20.079 Com did a dossier they made they they did in 1622 01:33:20.159 --> 01:33:23.600 depth interviews and photographs with three to four hundred experiencers, 1623 01:33:24.039 --> 01:33:28.680 probably about ten years ago now, there were three researchers 1624 01:33:28.720 --> 01:33:32.039 that were really into dreaming and the connection between redgridmark 1625 01:33:32.079 --> 01:33:35.720 and dreaming, and they interviewed all these people, took photographs, 1626 01:33:35.760 --> 01:33:38.640 did a lot of research, put it up on a website. 1627 01:33:39.119 --> 01:33:44.279 They charged about ten dollars for the research. And that's 1628 01:33:44.319 --> 01:33:48.720 the only other research that I see associated with red 1629 01:33:48.720 --> 01:33:53.800 gridmark phenomena. I I'm a PhD student, so I'm interested 1630 01:33:53.840 --> 01:33:57.760 in research. I want to do research. I've been talking 1631 01:33:57.800 --> 01:34:02.399 to people about this, and you know, I presented a 1632 01:34:02.439 --> 01:34:06.079 little bit on this phenomenon in the International Association of 1633 01:34:06.119 --> 01:34:09.600 the Study of Dreams conference this summer, and I had 1634 01:34:09.640 --> 01:34:12.520 a few people, a few professional scientists, you know, come 1635 01:34:12.600 --> 01:34:15.039 up to me afterwards and say, hey, that your talk 1636 01:34:15.199 --> 01:34:18.680 was interesting. I'd love to help out. But that's as 1637 01:34:18.720 --> 01:34:22.479 far as it's gotten so far. I believe with kind 1638 01:34:22.479 --> 01:34:26.199 of academic or scientific based research. I've been telling people 1639 01:34:26.199 --> 01:34:29.600 about it. Justin's been talking to people about it. It 1640 01:34:30.000 --> 01:34:34.840 seems so fascinating. I mean a number of experiencers go 1641 01:34:34.920 --> 01:34:37.239 to doctors and say, what is this and they don't 1642 01:34:37.399 --> 01:34:44.800 They can't explain it, and it seems so obviously intelligently designed. 1643 01:34:45.520 --> 01:34:49.199 So I think a lot of what happens is researchers 1644 01:34:49.399 --> 01:34:55.319 either go this is clearly people sitting on benches, This 1645 01:34:55.479 --> 01:35:01.039 is clearly a backpack mesh pushed into people's backs. However, 1646 01:35:01.399 --> 01:35:04.800 if you actually look at the thousands of photographs we 1647 01:35:04.880 --> 01:35:08.760 have that it's clear that those explanations can account for 1648 01:35:09.359 --> 01:35:12.840 probably a majority of the phenomena, but there's a minority 1649 01:35:12.960 --> 01:35:19.159 that demonstrate Immed's creativity. And I would say, actually artistry 1650 01:35:19.680 --> 01:35:25.920 and technical skill and application that you cannot explain any 1651 01:35:25.920 --> 01:35:32.159 other way than intentional geometric communication. Let's say there's a 1652 01:35:32.199 --> 01:35:35.600 reason why it's coming together, and it may use different 1653 01:35:35.640 --> 01:35:40.520 elements like the template. The grid pattern itself may actually 1654 01:35:40.520 --> 01:35:44.159 be that long range biopsy device that Justin talks about. 1655 01:35:44.760 --> 01:35:50.039 But to my eyes, how it's applied me is it 1656 01:35:50.079 --> 01:35:53.439 has specific meaning. And I am thinking about the circular 1657 01:35:53.960 --> 01:35:57.439 red grid marks actually because they're composed of sort of 1658 01:35:57.640 --> 01:36:02.039 pie slices of what appears to be the same template 1659 01:36:02.159 --> 01:36:05.199 applied over and over again for a very specific reason, 1660 01:36:05.479 --> 01:36:08.520 which is the construction of these these circles out of 1661 01:36:08.560 --> 01:36:11.920 these different bits of the grid or something like that. 1662 01:36:12.199 --> 01:36:16.279 The circles themselves are quizzical, they have beautiful patterns in them. 1663 01:36:16.680 --> 01:36:20.439 There's you know, like a quarter of the circumference will 1664 01:36:20.439 --> 01:36:24.119 have these big, bigger dots for some reason, there's specific 1665 01:36:24.239 --> 01:36:28.359 numbers associated with it. And if I look into the geometry, 1666 01:36:29.239 --> 01:36:35.800 sacred geometry, meaningful constants, meaningful relationships just fall out of it. 1667 01:36:36.039 --> 01:36:38.880 So and I've looked through a lot of other types 1668 01:36:38.920 --> 01:36:42.960 of body marks. I've analyzed things that appear to be 1669 01:36:43.159 --> 01:36:47.319 the grid mark but aren't. So there is a heightened 1670 01:36:47.319 --> 01:36:51.399 degree of communication here, And so I think what ends 1671 01:36:51.479 --> 01:36:54.079 up happening with these scientists they go they either say hey, 1672 01:36:54.199 --> 01:36:58.880 is it? These people don't know what sitting on grid 1673 01:36:58.920 --> 01:37:02.399 benches does to people, and so all of the red 1674 01:37:02.399 --> 01:37:06.920 grid mark experiencers are diluted in thinking there's a mysterious explanation, 1675 01:37:07.800 --> 01:37:13.560 or they into it that it's an intelligent phenomena that 1676 01:37:13.600 --> 01:37:18.800 we can't explain that demonstrates advanced technology, and nobody's ready 1677 01:37:18.840 --> 01:37:22.000 to handle that. Like that's a really hard thing to 1678 01:37:22.079 --> 01:37:26.800 engage funders of research. It's really hard to put your 1679 01:37:26.960 --> 01:37:29.920 reputation on the line to say, hey, I think this 1680 01:37:30.000 --> 01:37:34.119 is an artifact of advanced technology of non human intelligence, 1681 01:37:35.560 --> 01:37:40.279 and to even put forward that hypothesis as a professional researcher, 1682 01:37:40.359 --> 01:37:44.720 as an academic or scientist is risky. And so I 1683 01:37:44.760 --> 01:37:48.439 think that's in part why there's not more of a 1684 01:37:50.560 --> 01:37:52.319 presence or a focus on this. 1685 01:37:54.000 --> 01:37:59.720 I think that's a very big reason too. Just look 1686 01:37:59.760 --> 01:38:02.199 at the landscape we have right now with these UAP 1687 01:38:02.399 --> 01:38:04.840 hearings and everything that's went on in the last few months. 1688 01:38:05.479 --> 01:38:10.039 And I would have never thought ten years ago that 1689 01:38:10.399 --> 01:38:13.279 Congress would have ever openly talked about something like that, 1690 01:38:14.279 --> 01:38:17.600 and here it was in the last two or three years. 1691 01:38:17.640 --> 01:38:20.359 Now they've had hearings about it and discussions about it. 1692 01:38:21.680 --> 01:38:24.840 I feel like this is a phenomenon that needs to 1693 01:38:24.880 --> 01:38:27.600 be brought up. Obviously, it's not that we are aware 1694 01:38:27.600 --> 01:38:31.079 of affecting people in the sense of harming them, but 1695 01:38:31.079 --> 01:38:33.640 at the same time, it's something strange that literally is 1696 01:38:33.680 --> 01:38:37.680 going on, and no one seems to know about it. 1697 01:38:37.720 --> 01:38:41.960 I know on the Mayo Clinic there is like twenty 1698 01:38:42.000 --> 01:38:44.800 something different pages of people asking about these marks, and 1699 01:38:44.840 --> 01:38:48.439 they never got a single response from them. Yep, it's 1700 01:38:48.560 --> 01:38:51.479 like they just ignore it, like no one wants to 1701 01:38:51.479 --> 01:38:56.159 look into it. It's clearly someone's experiencing these things and 1702 01:38:57.039 --> 01:39:00.000 dermatologists don't know what they are. Other doctors and stuff 1703 01:39:00.079 --> 01:39:03.079 look at and have no idea what they are. But 1704 01:39:03.119 --> 01:39:04.680 then it just gets swept under the road that they 1705 01:39:04.680 --> 01:39:06.680 don't want to discuss if anyone wants to research, and 1706 01:39:06.680 --> 01:39:09.840 no one wants to be the first ones that blow 1707 01:39:09.840 --> 01:39:10.760 the lid off this thing. 1708 01:39:12.920 --> 01:39:15.520 That's right, and that's why I'm approaching it from the 1709 01:39:16.159 --> 01:39:18.880 That's why I have the dream study angle going, because 1710 01:39:18.920 --> 01:39:23.319 dreams are weird already. You know, dreams are weird enough 1711 01:39:23.359 --> 01:39:26.920 already for the mainstream that we can study. We go, okay, 1712 01:39:26.920 --> 01:39:29.680 there's a phenomena here. Let's just look at the dreams 1713 01:39:29.760 --> 01:39:31.880 and say what the contents of the dreams are. If 1714 01:39:31.880 --> 01:39:36.000 there's any patterns, I think that will be a step 1715 01:39:36.079 --> 01:39:39.199 forward in terms of actually publishing on this. And so 1716 01:39:40.439 --> 01:39:44.359 in the research I'm doing, I'm just collecting dreams. I'm 1717 01:39:44.439 --> 01:39:48.880 going to interview some experiencers, and I'll put together pretty 1718 01:39:49.039 --> 01:39:54.760 standard dream studies research on this topic. Say these are 1719 01:39:54.760 --> 01:39:57.800 the dreams of these experiencers. As an aside, we get 1720 01:39:57.840 --> 01:40:02.199 to describe the actual phenomena that's happening. And my hope 1721 01:40:02.239 --> 01:40:06.359 is that I can get that paper peer reviewed, which 1722 01:40:06.560 --> 01:40:11.560 should be relatively easy enough because we're doing standard dream 1723 01:40:11.880 --> 01:40:14.479 studies kind of what did you dream about? I'm using 1724 01:40:14.479 --> 01:40:18.319 a very standard method of asking people about their dreams, 1725 01:40:18.840 --> 01:40:23.520 and then hopefully as an aside, we'll get the phenomenon 1726 01:40:23.680 --> 01:40:27.960 characteristics published and that could be a step forward for 1727 01:40:28.079 --> 01:40:31.800 other researchers to cite this paper. Say let's actually look 1728 01:40:31.840 --> 01:40:38.199 into not the dreams. But the physical aspect of this phenomenon, Yeah, 1729 01:40:38.199 --> 01:40:41.000 it's fascinating to me. I get riled up a little 1730 01:40:41.039 --> 01:40:47.640 bit about this because it's clearly communicative, it's clearly geometrically meaningful. 1731 01:40:49.439 --> 01:40:54.319 There's clear connections with entities. Whether or not they're angels 1732 01:40:54.439 --> 01:40:58.319 or aliens or secret humans we still have to figure out. 1733 01:40:59.399 --> 01:41:03.439 But there's enough data in the geometry and the application 1734 01:41:04.000 --> 01:41:09.079 that we could literally build a model of the how 1735 01:41:09.079 --> 01:41:12.520 it's being made. Right, we could, we could slow, we could, 1736 01:41:12.600 --> 01:41:15.800 we could build a model of how it's applied. In 1737 01:41:16.079 --> 01:41:19.560 the theory that we have is that it is applied 1738 01:41:19.680 --> 01:41:25.079 as light shined through templates or I use the metaphor 1739 01:41:25.199 --> 01:41:28.039 of a dark room. So there's a light source, it 1740 01:41:28.119 --> 01:41:32.760 goes through a photonegative and goes onto photosensitive paper. The 1741 01:41:32.800 --> 01:41:38.000 photosensive sensitive paper would be analogous to the skin. The 1742 01:41:39.479 --> 01:41:42.840 darkroom light is analogous to whatever source of light they have, 1743 01:41:43.640 --> 01:41:49.680 and the the photograph the negative is something similar to 1744 01:41:49.880 --> 01:41:52.239 the grid pattern that they're using to make the marks. 1745 01:41:53.560 --> 01:41:58.600 There's another couple elements associated with this model, and that 1746 01:41:58.680 --> 01:42:03.359 would be opaque sheets of paper. Basically, so in dark 1747 01:42:03.439 --> 01:42:08.279 room photography you might isolate specific elements of the photograph 1748 01:42:08.359 --> 01:42:12.079 to expose them, or it's called dodge and burn basically, 1749 01:42:12.159 --> 01:42:15.039 so you add more light to areas and you prevent 1750 01:42:15.119 --> 01:42:18.800 light from hitting some areas of the photo paper in 1751 01:42:18.920 --> 01:42:21.199 order to make the contrast the way you want, and 1752 01:42:21.199 --> 01:42:24.760 you use those pieces of paper between the film and 1753 01:42:24.960 --> 01:42:28.640 the negative to do that control. And we see that 1754 01:42:28.680 --> 01:42:32.479 actually happening. I see that happening in the geometry of 1755 01:42:32.520 --> 01:42:36.760 the marks. When you look into it. They're clearly they 1756 01:42:36.800 --> 01:42:41.720 have something like a dark room projector and they're shining 1757 01:42:41.720 --> 01:42:45.359 it onto the skin, and they do multiple applications, and 1758 01:42:45.439 --> 01:42:49.720 those things become very apparent, and there's certain deviations from 1759 01:42:49.920 --> 01:42:54.079 the euclidian construction the design, so you can start to 1760 01:42:54.159 --> 01:42:59.520 see the accidental effects of physical bodies, like having light 1761 01:42:59.560 --> 01:43:04.039 shined to the curved bodies or people moving. That's another 1762 01:43:04.119 --> 01:43:08.359 thing you can see. And so there's enough deviations from 1763 01:43:08.399 --> 01:43:12.319 those patterns in regular, meaningful ways that we can start 1764 01:43:12.359 --> 01:43:17.520 to use those sort of how these dots get expanded 1765 01:43:17.600 --> 01:43:20.359 as they land on the contours of the body, and 1766 01:43:20.399 --> 01:43:23.119 how they're applied multiple times to start to go how 1767 01:43:23.159 --> 01:43:27.720 could this actually happen with this metaphor of a darkroom 1768 01:43:27.760 --> 01:43:33.239 projector film and photo paper, and we could actually start 1769 01:43:33.279 --> 01:43:36.039 to go, Okay, we could reproduce some of the designs 1770 01:43:36.920 --> 01:43:39.840 that they're using as the fundamental templates that they're applying 1771 01:43:39.880 --> 01:43:42.840 to the red grid mark, and that would be fascinating 1772 01:43:42.880 --> 01:43:46.159 to me, and that that requires that would that would 1773 01:43:46.319 --> 01:43:50.319 that's implied by the geometry that we're seeing as something 1774 01:43:50.399 --> 01:43:53.840 we could do. We have there's one case of a 1775 01:43:53.880 --> 01:43:57.039 photograph of something that seems like someone someone took a 1776 01:43:57.039 --> 01:43:59.960 photograph of their kid that received the mark, which was 1777 01:44:00.079 --> 01:44:04.039 an interesting hexagonal grid pattern. But there's a triangle of 1778 01:44:04.159 --> 01:44:07.680 light that you can see in the photograph and something 1779 01:44:07.960 --> 01:44:11.720 in that triangle of light, and so there it seems 1780 01:44:11.760 --> 01:44:14.920 to be something like an inter dimensional machine or something 1781 01:44:15.000 --> 01:44:17.760 like that. But to actually build a physical model of 1782 01:44:17.840 --> 01:44:25.359 it would move us forward into understanding what is even possible, 1783 01:44:25.439 --> 01:44:28.119 How is it even possible that these are technically applied. 1784 01:44:29.520 --> 01:44:33.279 That seems it seems like so obvious to me to 1785 01:44:33.359 --> 01:44:35.600 be the next step something we need to do as 1786 01:44:36.960 --> 01:44:40.000 people who are researching this mark as humans. Really, this 1787 01:44:40.039 --> 01:44:45.239 is a mystery that deserves investigation because touses of people 1788 01:44:45.239 --> 01:44:50.319 are experiencing it and it's so mysterious and exhibit such 1789 01:44:50.439 --> 01:44:54.119 qualities that it has to be advanced technology. There's no 1790 01:44:54.239 --> 01:44:59.560 other rational explanation that is being applied through intelligent design, 1791 01:45:00.039 --> 01:45:02.000 and it opens up so many questions like who are 1792 01:45:02.000 --> 01:45:04.399 these people making the marks? Why are they doing that, 1793 01:45:04.680 --> 01:45:06.479 Why are they doing it in such a way that 1794 01:45:06.520 --> 01:45:10.199 we could build a model of their device to do that, 1795 01:45:10.600 --> 01:45:14.840 And that sort of feels like they are leading us 1796 01:45:15.279 --> 01:45:19.359 towards technological development. That's one of the deductions I have 1797 01:45:19.560 --> 01:45:22.279 is this, if we investigate this, we will then have 1798 01:45:22.359 --> 01:45:27.720 the technology that is necessary to produce such marks. And 1799 01:45:27.760 --> 01:45:30.640 it doesn't seem like it's that far away from actually 1800 01:45:30.760 --> 01:45:36.600 understanding it would require a research grant, it requires some scientists, 1801 01:45:36.680 --> 01:45:40.000 right like we need we need it, just it requires 1802 01:45:40.119 --> 01:45:44.000 hours of time to collect the data, collate it. Even 1803 01:45:44.079 --> 01:45:47.560 from the Red grid Mark Phenomenon group, there's tremendous amount 1804 01:45:47.600 --> 01:45:50.640 of data, but it's not structured in a way that 1805 01:45:50.680 --> 01:45:54.279 could be analyzed easily, so we have to go through 1806 01:45:54.439 --> 01:45:57.920 certain processes and just nobody's doing it. No one's offered, 1807 01:45:58.000 --> 01:46:00.760 no one's offered me funding to do it. There's no 1808 01:46:00.880 --> 01:46:03.920 grants out there to study anominalist body marks that I 1809 01:46:04.000 --> 01:46:07.560 know of, so I wish that were something that we 1810 01:46:07.600 --> 01:46:10.239 could do as a people, and that science were more 1811 01:46:10.319 --> 01:46:13.239 open to that. I do see actually science moving in 1812 01:46:13.279 --> 01:46:18.039 that direction, and the UAP hearings to be kind of 1813 01:46:18.039 --> 01:46:22.880 a watershed threshold moment, because what's the testimony of the 1814 01:46:23.479 --> 01:46:27.399 uf A whistleblower right is really received heard? And if 1815 01:46:27.479 --> 01:46:31.359 anything comes out of that from Congress that confirms the 1816 01:46:31.399 --> 01:46:35.039 presence of non human and intelligence and UAPs in our world, 1817 01:46:35.359 --> 01:46:38.279 and the reality of these things are confirmed by the government, 1818 01:46:38.800 --> 01:46:44.399 then that opens the door for mainstream funding organizations, science 1819 01:46:44.600 --> 01:46:49.439 and academia to start asking the questions what about the biologics, 1820 01:46:49.439 --> 01:46:53.079 what about the pilots, what about the intelligences? Where before 1821 01:46:53.119 --> 01:46:56.000 it was just sort of ridiculous to ask us questions. 1822 01:46:56.279 --> 01:46:59.479 So it's a very exciting time and I'm looking forward 1823 01:46:59.520 --> 01:47:01.760 in the next five years to see where this goes. 1824 01:47:03.239 --> 01:47:03.560 Now. 1825 01:47:03.960 --> 01:47:05.880 Has anyone done I don't know if it's in that. 1826 01:47:06.079 --> 01:47:09.039 I think there's like seventy three pages of the survey, 1827 01:47:09.079 --> 01:47:11.800 and I've flipped through it. I don't remember everything about it. 1828 01:47:13.119 --> 01:47:16.199 Does it ever determined what layer of the skin these 1829 01:47:16.239 --> 01:47:19.119 marks were on? Did anyone ever figure that out? 1830 01:47:19.880 --> 01:47:19.960 Not? 1831 01:47:20.079 --> 01:47:25.079 To my knowledge, no, I remember justin talking about how 1832 01:47:25.119 --> 01:47:28.880 it being somewhere at the layer of tattoo or sunburn, 1833 01:47:28.960 --> 01:47:33.399 but there's there's not been any any the investigation regarding that. 1834 01:47:34.840 --> 01:47:34.920 Is. 1835 01:47:35.000 --> 01:47:38.640 That's actually one of the characteristics that I used to 1836 01:47:38.720 --> 01:47:45.000 determine if a photograph is a red gridmark phenomenon or not. Right, So, 1837 01:47:45.399 --> 01:47:48.760 if there's a puncture, it's not red gridmark. If there's 1838 01:47:48.800 --> 01:47:52.159 a scratch, it's not red grid mark. If it's below 1839 01:47:52.239 --> 01:47:55.640 the first layer of the skin or the skin isn't damaged, 1840 01:47:57.399 --> 01:48:04.079 then it is, which provides clues as to what and 1841 01:48:04.159 --> 01:48:07.960 how it's happening. What those clues say, it's hard to say. 1842 01:48:08.239 --> 01:48:10.640 Sounds like you have an intuition about that. I would 1843 01:48:10.680 --> 01:48:11.840 be interested in hearing. 1844 01:48:13.000 --> 01:48:15.560 Well, I was just thinking, like, and you just mentioned tattoos. 1845 01:48:15.600 --> 01:48:21.880 I know people when they get tattoos removed. I've seen 1846 01:48:21.920 --> 01:48:23.840 it being done. They use like this laser and it 1847 01:48:23.920 --> 01:48:26.119 kind of like burns. But again, even if it was 1848 01:48:26.119 --> 01:48:29.000 a laser, it burns the actual skin. This is not 1849 01:48:29.119 --> 01:48:32.319 leaving a burn, so and you don't feel it. So 1850 01:48:32.359 --> 01:48:35.279 even with like a sunburn, you would still somewhat feel 1851 01:48:35.319 --> 01:48:38.439 the discomfort of a sunburn. So I don't know That's 1852 01:48:38.439 --> 01:48:40.199 why I was curious about what layer of skin it's on, 1853 01:48:40.199 --> 01:48:44.520 because if it's below a certain layer and it just 1854 01:48:44.560 --> 01:48:49.119 shows up, there's got to be some sort of means 1855 01:48:49.159 --> 01:48:52.359 of Ford to appear. And if it's like you were saying, 1856 01:48:52.399 --> 01:48:56.560 almost like a dark room type scenario, it would almost 1857 01:48:56.640 --> 01:49:00.600 be like almost I would say, heat or to an extent, 1858 01:49:00.640 --> 01:49:02.520 like a laser. Somehow they would be getting under the 1859 01:49:02.560 --> 01:49:05.760 skin without damaging the skin. And I don't understand. That's 1860 01:49:05.800 --> 01:49:08.000 where I'm trying to wrap my head around, like what 1861 01:49:08.079 --> 01:49:11.199 could cause something like that without actually damaging the skin, 1862 01:49:11.239 --> 01:49:13.600 Because even with people with tattoos, you feel the tattoo, 1863 01:49:13.600 --> 01:49:15.319 and if you're getting it removed by a laser, you 1864 01:49:15.359 --> 01:49:17.359 fill that too. So I don't know how you would 1865 01:49:18.319 --> 01:49:20.880 be able to get something underneath someone's skin without actually 1866 01:49:21.319 --> 01:49:21.880 feeling it. 1867 01:49:23.119 --> 01:49:26.600 Yeah, there's one. There's one precedent we have from science 1868 01:49:26.680 --> 01:49:30.520 that can help us understand at least that this is possible. 1869 01:49:30.600 --> 01:49:35.319 And I believe Stanford researchers did something with chimatics, so 1870 01:49:35.359 --> 01:49:40.199 that's using sound waves to produce patterns, and we typically 1871 01:49:40.279 --> 01:49:43.760 see this in a they call it a Clodney plate experiment, 1872 01:49:44.039 --> 01:49:48.199 whereas a metal of sheet of metal, you pour sand 1873 01:49:48.279 --> 01:49:51.239 on it, and you get the metal sheet of metal 1874 01:49:51.239 --> 01:49:56.279 to vibrate according to a frequency. The sand jumps into 1875 01:49:58.079 --> 01:50:02.199 lines basically or patterns that are determined by the constructive 1876 01:50:02.239 --> 01:50:07.640 interference of the sound waves. So this is like if 1877 01:50:07.640 --> 01:50:11.079 you have a singing bowl or a wineglass full of water, 1878 01:50:11.279 --> 01:50:13.840 you vibrate that you can see these ripples on the 1879 01:50:14.399 --> 01:50:16.920 surface of the water. The same thing happens with the 1880 01:50:17.000 --> 01:50:21.760 sand on the metal plate that's the Clodney plate. And 1881 01:50:21.800 --> 01:50:28.520 so you can produce highly complex patterns through the introduction 1882 01:50:28.600 --> 01:50:34.920 of multiple frequencies of sound that emulate Actually some of 1883 01:50:34.960 --> 01:50:39.199 the patterns were seeing. So the Stanford research applied it 1884 01:50:39.319 --> 01:50:43.640 to I believe, heart cells that were kind of harvested 1885 01:50:43.720 --> 01:50:47.279 from people somehow I get, I don't know how, and 1886 01:50:47.319 --> 01:50:50.600 they put them on plates and they could demonstrate that 1887 01:50:50.680 --> 01:50:56.239 they could move these human body cells into these regular 1888 01:50:57.600 --> 01:51:01.880 patterns that appeared. I mean, there were certain there were 1889 01:51:02.279 --> 01:51:06.319 hexagonal grids of dots, right, and that's classic red grid 1890 01:51:06.319 --> 01:51:13.479 mark phenomenon that that's a proof of concept as to 1891 01:51:13.720 --> 01:51:17.880 how that's possible. Although the red grid mark phenomena, in 1892 01:51:17.920 --> 01:51:22.159 addition to having like hexagonal grids of dots, they have 1893 01:51:22.239 --> 01:51:26.279 the inverse pattern where they shodow diamonds in diamonds of 1894 01:51:26.319 --> 01:51:30.960 the negative space instead of the dots on the positive 1895 01:51:31.039 --> 01:51:33.840 kind of grid marks. So there's an inversion thing happening, 1896 01:51:34.159 --> 01:51:38.239 which would sort of be a complication to applying that 1897 01:51:38.239 --> 01:51:42.640 that chimatics example, to the red grid mark. That's that's 1898 01:51:42.640 --> 01:51:46.439 a clue, even though we're using sound instead of light 1899 01:51:46.640 --> 01:51:47.279 in this case. 1900 01:51:48.560 --> 01:51:51.479 Yeah, the vibrations and everything everyone else around frequencies and 1901 01:51:51.600 --> 01:51:56.640 vibrations and all that within our world. I've often wondered 1902 01:51:56.680 --> 01:52:03.439 if maybe it is somehow related to like vibration, but 1903 01:52:04.720 --> 01:52:08.800 like with a sunburn. And again I'm I'm no expert 1904 01:52:08.880 --> 01:52:10.840 or scientist or anything like that. I'm just a guy. 1905 01:52:11.720 --> 01:52:14.800 But isn't it a sunburn? Kind of it's not like 1906 01:52:14.920 --> 01:52:17.439 broken blood vessels. But isn't it kind of like the 1907 01:52:17.520 --> 01:52:23.600 chemicals release from a thinning layer of like your the 1908 01:52:23.720 --> 01:52:26.039 vessel walls. I don't know what the technical term is, 1909 01:52:26.319 --> 01:52:27.399 it causes a sunburn? 1910 01:52:29.199 --> 01:52:32.000 Oh yeah, I don't know. You'll have to That sounds 1911 01:52:32.000 --> 01:52:34.760 about right to me, but I'm not I don't I 1912 01:52:34.840 --> 01:52:35.920 don't have that information. 1913 01:52:36.479 --> 01:52:38.760 Well, I just wondering, like if it's something like if 1914 01:52:38.760 --> 01:52:41.920 the sun was able to weaken like your blood vessels, 1915 01:52:41.960 --> 01:52:43.920 like the walls of the blood vessels or whatever, and 1916 01:52:43.920 --> 01:52:47.279 that's what causes the redness. I wonder if whatever's happened, 1917 01:52:47.279 --> 01:52:49.199 if the'se like you said, with a vibration or something, 1918 01:52:49.239 --> 01:52:52.880 I wonder if that's what's weakening the walls to make 1919 01:52:52.920 --> 01:52:59.640 these little patterns. Yep. So I try and think and 1920 01:53:00.159 --> 01:53:03.039 sound intelligent, but I'm a nobody. I don't know anything. 1921 01:53:05.000 --> 01:53:05.079 Oh. 1922 01:53:05.159 --> 01:53:08.760 I think it's important actually to follow the intuition. So 1923 01:53:08.800 --> 01:53:11.479 this is one of the insights I would like to 1924 01:53:11.520 --> 01:53:15.760 put forward, and my research is putting forward, is that 1925 01:53:15.880 --> 01:53:22.359 everyone has universal access to an intuition that gives them 1926 01:53:22.479 --> 01:53:27.359 the power to gain insight regarding these interactions we have 1927 01:53:27.560 --> 01:53:31.920 with aliens or non human intelligences. And they also every 1928 01:53:31.960 --> 01:53:36.680 single human has the capacity to mediate those encounters and 1929 01:53:36.880 --> 01:53:40.760 relationships with the non human intelligences or aliens or whatever. 1930 01:53:41.680 --> 01:53:45.079 They have the capacity to mediate those relationships or negotiate 1931 01:53:45.119 --> 01:53:48.680 those relationships for their own benefit and the collective benefit 1932 01:53:49.039 --> 01:53:52.600 of humanity. The reason why I say that is because 1933 01:53:53.600 --> 01:53:57.920 of the precedent of dream shamanism. So this is a 1934 01:53:58.279 --> 01:54:03.600 type of culture. Dreams amount of cultures universally see that 1935 01:54:04.000 --> 01:54:09.520 every single person can engage with these kind of dreamlike domains. 1936 01:54:09.960 --> 01:54:13.880 And so in primitive cultures, the alien story or the 1937 01:54:13.920 --> 01:54:16.760 angel story or the fairy story may have been lumped 1938 01:54:16.760 --> 01:54:20.439 together in something like a dream. And they honor these 1939 01:54:20.520 --> 01:54:25.159 dream experiences as real but also as dream like. And 1940 01:54:25.199 --> 01:54:27.640 they also see that by talking about them just like 1941 01:54:27.680 --> 01:54:31.359 we're doing here and now, and by applying intention to 1942 01:54:31.439 --> 01:54:37.439 them through ritual expression, they can gain insight, gain knowledge. 1943 01:54:37.720 --> 01:54:40.279 And we have proof from these dream shamanic cultures that 1944 01:54:40.359 --> 01:54:44.439 the knowledge that they gain may be scientifically advanced to 1945 01:54:44.479 --> 01:54:48.479 such a degree that they can't know it, or may 1946 01:54:48.520 --> 01:54:52.000 be precognitive so that it can take action like avoiding 1947 01:54:52.000 --> 01:54:55.119 a title wave or something like that for collective benefit. 1948 01:54:55.560 --> 01:55:00.000 So it's a universal quality that is being expressed through 1949 01:55:00.000 --> 01:55:05.640 through primarily intuitive and creative modes of thinking. That our 1950 01:55:05.960 --> 01:55:09.720 Western mainstream culture, because of our focus on the objective, 1951 01:55:10.560 --> 01:55:15.439 repeatable kind of experiments and this highly tech technical jargon, 1952 01:55:15.520 --> 01:55:19.520 we go, oh oh, all that all that intuition is meaningless, Right, 1953 01:55:19.680 --> 01:55:24.159 you have to be an expert to understand this. Actually, 1954 01:55:24.640 --> 01:55:28.000 I say, if we look to dream shamanic cultures as 1955 01:55:28.880 --> 01:55:32.760 healthy examples of relating to these different domains. They do 1956 01:55:32.880 --> 01:55:38.359 so it through universal intuition, and everyone's equally empowered to 1957 01:55:38.520 --> 01:55:41.840 relate to that, and it's not just the experts. So 1958 01:55:41.920 --> 01:55:45.239 that's that's something that's very important to bring up. And 1959 01:55:45.279 --> 01:55:47.720 we touched in on this when we were like, oh, like, 1960 01:55:47.800 --> 01:55:50.279 I'm not like, I'm not an expert on sunburns. You're 1961 01:55:50.279 --> 01:55:54.399 not either, but you're touching into an intuition that is 1962 01:55:54.600 --> 01:55:57.760 likely meaningful and should we follow, that will likely lead 1963 01:55:57.840 --> 01:56:03.640 to at least person meaningful discoveries that are well likely 1964 01:56:03.720 --> 01:56:07.039 I mean, have significance to the group. So I just 1965 01:56:07.079 --> 01:56:08.199 wanted to call that out. 1966 01:56:09.359 --> 01:56:13.079 Yeah, so I just I try and look at things 1967 01:56:13.880 --> 01:56:16.199 like in a rational sense to try and explain stuff, 1968 01:56:16.239 --> 01:56:18.560 Like you'd said, like people sit on these grid patterns 1969 01:56:18.600 --> 01:56:22.680 from a bench or something like that, that can explain 1970 01:56:22.720 --> 01:56:27.199 a lot of it. But ye, I've seen photos on 1971 01:56:27.239 --> 01:56:32.560 top of a little girl's head and spots under like 1972 01:56:32.600 --> 01:56:34.399 a on a wrist or whatever. There's nothing that you 1973 01:56:34.399 --> 01:56:38.319 could lean that would make those patterns and then they'd 1974 01:56:38.319 --> 01:56:40.199 be there for several days. To me, that's a lot 1975 01:56:40.199 --> 01:56:42.119 of pressure, it seems like, and who would do that 1976 01:56:42.159 --> 01:56:45.079 to their kid just to take a photo. That doesn't 1977 01:56:46.079 --> 01:56:48.239 that doesn't add up when I see the kids involved, 1978 01:56:48.239 --> 01:56:50.399 whether like I could see like the intricate patterns. Someone 1979 01:56:50.439 --> 01:56:52.359 set on something and did it and said, oh look 1980 01:56:52.359 --> 01:56:56.840 what I have. Okay, Well, what's the point of that too? Like, wow, 1981 01:56:56.880 --> 01:56:58.640 you got like a couple of people talking about it 1982 01:56:58.680 --> 01:57:01.960 on the internet. Cool. I mean, it doesn't really, I 1983 01:57:01.960 --> 01:57:03.840 don't see the need of why someone would fake this. 1984 01:57:05.159 --> 01:57:07.640 It doesn't. You're not going to become famous for it, 1985 01:57:07.680 --> 01:57:08.279 you know what I mean? 1986 01:57:09.399 --> 01:57:12.840 Oh? Absolutely, And especially in the context of the lack 1987 01:57:12.880 --> 01:57:16.119 of recognition from mainstream culture, like we were talking about, 1988 01:57:16.119 --> 01:57:23.039 there's it's almost uncanny how researchers are ignoring this topic, right, 1989 01:57:23.159 --> 01:57:27.359 like no one's going to care, right, be like why 1990 01:57:27.439 --> 01:57:30.119 is this mark happening? Uh? You know, in my case 1991 01:57:30.199 --> 01:57:33.720 with with my son, right, he he we try to 1992 01:57:33.720 --> 01:57:37.920 figure it out together and he he stuck his his 1993 01:57:38.039 --> 01:57:41.000 other cheek on the thing of his own accord. It 1994 01:57:41.079 --> 01:57:43.640 wasn't actually you know, it was for him. It was 1995 01:57:44.199 --> 01:57:48.000 a couple of seconds, uh, pressing into it. 1996 01:57:48.520 --> 01:57:48.720 Uh. 1997 01:57:48.760 --> 01:57:51.359 It didn't look painful for him, and he we wanted 1998 01:57:51.399 --> 01:57:56.640 photographs of that afterwards, and it showed up almost exactly 1999 01:57:56.840 --> 01:57:59.439 like the mark. It was. It was really strange for me. 2000 01:57:59.840 --> 01:58:03.359 I tried doing it myself and my skin didn't respond 2001 01:58:03.399 --> 01:58:08.159 the same way as his. For me personally, the response 2002 01:58:08.239 --> 01:58:14.079 of the association with dreams and the mystery and perplexity 2003 01:58:14.119 --> 01:58:16.119 that people have can't be faked. 2004 01:58:16.239 --> 01:58:16.439 Right. 2005 01:58:16.520 --> 01:58:18.760 So it's like if the kid has this mark and 2006 01:58:18.760 --> 01:58:21.760 they're like, I had this weird dream of this giant 2007 01:58:21.840 --> 01:58:25.680 reptile and a tube coming down and we were in 2008 01:58:25.720 --> 01:58:29.840 a bust without without walls, right, Like those are qualities 2009 01:58:29.880 --> 01:58:33.319 and characteristics that are up dreams like the like the 2010 01:58:33.840 --> 01:58:38.560 vehicle without walls, tubes and strange entities. 2011 01:58:38.640 --> 01:58:38.800 Right. 2012 01:58:39.079 --> 01:58:44.199 That combination is seen across the like people reporting dreams 2013 01:58:44.239 --> 01:58:48.079 in different channels associated with these marks. It's really hard 2014 01:58:48.079 --> 01:58:50.680 to fake that level of like what does this even mean? 2015 01:58:50.880 --> 01:58:54.640 Like why is this here? And that that connection with 2016 01:58:55.640 --> 01:58:59.399 uh something that feels discernible with the dreams is very 2017 01:58:59.680 --> 01:59:02.000 in firing to me. And that's one of the things 2018 01:59:02.000 --> 01:59:06.079 I'm hoping to elucidate or discover is the patterns of 2019 01:59:06.239 --> 01:59:11.439 what these entity encounters in dreams might signify to us 2020 01:59:11.439 --> 01:59:12.039 as a group. 2021 01:59:13.399 --> 01:59:16.960 Yeah, the lucid dreaming I've heard about, like people I've 2022 01:59:16.960 --> 01:59:18.720 seen it in the group or whatever, and I've seen 2023 01:59:18.720 --> 01:59:22.279 other people talk about it that when they have these things, 2024 01:59:22.279 --> 01:59:29.439 they have like very strange dreams lucid dreaming. And I 2025 01:59:29.439 --> 01:59:32.800 don't know if they experienced it the night that they 2026 01:59:32.880 --> 01:59:34.680 woke up the next morning, or if they've had it 2027 01:59:34.880 --> 01:59:36.560 well since they've had the mark. I don't really know 2028 01:59:36.600 --> 01:59:37.880 how that plays out. 2029 01:59:38.359 --> 01:59:38.520 But. 2030 01:59:40.000 --> 01:59:42.399 I have heard of a lot of people saying they've 2031 01:59:42.399 --> 01:59:45.640 had like really strange dreams, they've had these marks. 2032 01:59:45.800 --> 01:59:51.159 Yeah, that happens. I believe there's actually a spectrum of experience, 2033 01:59:51.239 --> 01:59:54.880 So I think there's a function related to people's normal 2034 01:59:55.000 --> 01:59:58.880 dream recall frequency. So that's a term dream scientists use 2035 01:59:59.000 --> 02:00:02.399 to say, hey, how often do you normally remember a dream? 2036 02:00:02.840 --> 02:00:06.199 So if your dream recall frequency is low, you may 2037 02:00:06.239 --> 02:00:12.039 not actually remember remember the dreams associated with the mark 2038 02:00:12.199 --> 02:00:15.199 or the experiences associated with the mark. And one of 2039 02:00:15.239 --> 02:00:19.319 the distinctions I always look forward is dream scientists do 2040 02:00:19.399 --> 02:00:25.479 not define dreams as nocturnal hallucinations anymore. Right, So the 2041 02:00:25.600 --> 02:00:28.920 dreams I hadists say, hey, you can have dream experiences 2042 02:00:29.000 --> 02:00:32.800 while in waking stage. This is a type of conscious 2043 02:00:32.960 --> 02:00:36.960 experience or experience in consciousness. So you can have dreams 2044 02:00:36.960 --> 02:00:41.279 from waking, like day dreams or hypnagogia. So that's this 2045 02:00:41.399 --> 02:00:44.920 phase between sleeping and waking or in the traditional kind 2046 02:00:44.960 --> 02:00:50.159 of conventional understanding of dreams. So I say, actually, as 2047 02:00:50.199 --> 02:00:54.359 possible to have a dream while driving and seeing the 2048 02:00:54.439 --> 02:00:57.239 mark happen, and even though you're driving in in the 2049 02:00:57.279 --> 02:01:00.760 waking phase, you're still having a dreamlike experience. It's unfold. 2050 02:01:01.159 --> 02:01:06.159 So that's another kind of complexity to the inquiry. But 2051 02:01:06.279 --> 02:01:10.319 the sense of people remembering their dreams or not, there 2052 02:01:10.359 --> 02:01:14.920 are high dream recall people, people who remember their dreams 2053 02:01:15.039 --> 02:01:18.239 more frequently. And this is the experience I have with 2054 02:01:18.840 --> 02:01:22.079 working with a lot of the people who respond to me, 2055 02:01:22.239 --> 02:01:27.119 especially asking for the geometric analysis. They say, I go, okay, 2056 02:01:27.159 --> 02:01:29.199 this is a great mark. Did you have any dreams? 2057 02:01:29.199 --> 02:01:31.439 Because they're like, I have so many strange streams all 2058 02:01:31.439 --> 02:01:35.439 the time. Yeah, probably I had strange streams around this mark. 2059 02:01:35.520 --> 02:01:38.199 But my life is full of strange streams, and that's 2060 02:01:38.239 --> 02:01:41.680 that's one of the common responses I get. So, this 2061 02:01:41.680 --> 02:01:45.680 this sense of people remembering strange streams in association with 2062 02:01:46.159 --> 02:01:50.039 the mark, I believe is you know, if they remember 2063 02:01:50.039 --> 02:01:52.359 the strange streams in the association with the mark. They're 2064 02:01:52.399 --> 02:01:56.079 sort of like in between active dreamers and people who 2065 02:01:56.159 --> 02:02:00.319 don't actually remember their dreams frequently, so they they remember 2066 02:02:00.319 --> 02:02:04.439 these ones because they're additionally strange. And then people remember 2067 02:02:04.439 --> 02:02:06.439 their dreams all the time, they have a hard time 2068 02:02:07.000 --> 02:02:11.279 actually pinning down what dream happened the night of the 2069 02:02:11.319 --> 02:02:14.119 mark because they've had a week full of like angel 2070 02:02:14.239 --> 02:02:19.840 visitation dreams or light dreams or these these heightened strange dreams. 2071 02:02:20.079 --> 02:02:26.439 So weirdly enough, and I'm not a BS or anything 2072 02:02:26.479 --> 02:02:29.800 like that, but I vaguely remember a dream last night 2073 02:02:30.239 --> 02:02:32.960 about alien stuff, but I don't remember if I was 2074 02:02:33.000 --> 02:02:36.199 watching it or what. I don't like, I vaguely remember dreams. 2075 02:02:36.279 --> 02:02:39.720 I'm not like elucid dreamer, but I don't know because 2076 02:02:39.760 --> 02:02:41.159 I knew we were going to have this talk today 2077 02:02:41.239 --> 02:02:43.880 or whatever. But I just remember part of my dream 2078 02:02:44.079 --> 02:02:46.079 there was something to do with like aliens in the background, 2079 02:02:46.520 --> 02:02:48.079 and that was all. It was, like, I don't know, 2080 02:02:48.720 --> 02:02:50.520 had nothing to do with the dream. I don't evenmember 2081 02:02:50.560 --> 02:02:52.880 what the dream was even about, but I just remember 2082 02:02:52.960 --> 02:02:55.199 vaguely that that was mentioned somewhere in my dream. There 2083 02:02:55.279 --> 02:02:58.079 was something going on in the background about aliens. 2084 02:02:58.720 --> 02:03:06.119 So yeah, that's really interesting. That's very similar to a 2085 02:03:06.119 --> 02:03:07.960 lot of the dreams I have when I do dream 2086 02:03:08.000 --> 02:03:12.000 work or hypnosis with people. These are meaningful events, these 2087 02:03:12.079 --> 02:03:17.640 kind of encounters with people who have experiences in dreams 2088 02:03:17.640 --> 02:03:21.159 and things like that. So I experienced dreams in association 2089 02:03:21.359 --> 02:03:25.720 with my clients who come to me their dream people 2090 02:03:25.920 --> 02:03:28.800 or whatever their spirit GUIDs. They sometimes talk to me 2091 02:03:28.880 --> 02:03:32.039 and their dreams. I don't have a full consciousness as 2092 02:03:32.039 --> 02:03:36.000 to what those mean necessarily, and a lot of my 2093 02:03:36.439 --> 02:03:39.880 experienced dreams, like the dream I had the night I 2094 02:03:40.000 --> 02:03:42.880 received the anomalist geometric body mark that I call a 2095 02:03:42.960 --> 02:03:48.439 dawson a line phenomenon dial d al. I had a 2096 02:03:48.560 --> 02:03:53.680 series of dreams where these aliens or non human intelligences 2097 02:03:53.680 --> 02:03:57.279 were sort of just there in the dream space, and 2098 02:03:57.600 --> 02:04:00.119 I didn't have a lot of visibility as to what 2099 02:04:00.159 --> 02:04:03.680 was going on. And I came back from the dream 2100 02:04:04.079 --> 02:04:07.800 and I said, hey, this my dreaming self as I 2101 02:04:07.880 --> 02:04:12.760 returned to my waking self had specific intuitions within it, 2102 02:04:12.880 --> 02:04:16.319 and I was convinced this was a lucid dream. I 2103 02:04:16.479 --> 02:04:19.279 was like, this is a lucid dream. I interacted with 2104 02:04:19.319 --> 02:04:22.960 that deities, but actually all I remember is a dream 2105 02:04:23.000 --> 02:04:25.920 that's very similar to what you described, that something happening 2106 02:04:26.159 --> 02:04:28.439 and there's aliens in the background, and there's not a 2107 02:04:28.520 --> 02:04:32.119 lot of content to sink your teeth into. But I 2108 02:04:32.199 --> 02:04:36.359 had those convictions upon entering into waking, So I think 2109 02:04:37.479 --> 02:04:40.880 a lot of these interactions are happening below the surface 2110 02:04:40.920 --> 02:04:44.840 of consciousness and they don't really need to have a 2111 02:04:44.960 --> 02:04:50.119 full on conscious interaction with us. The other thing I 2112 02:04:50.119 --> 02:04:53.720 would say about your dream experience, and this is one 2113 02:04:53.760 --> 02:04:58.880 of the stranger things I've experienced working with people's dreams, 2114 02:04:59.000 --> 02:05:03.560 is they can be we both personally or personally meaningful 2115 02:05:03.680 --> 02:05:08.159 and trans personally meaningful. So rather than saying is this 2116 02:05:09.159 --> 02:05:13.399 is this dream of aliens real or just a dream? 2117 02:05:13.479 --> 02:05:18.760 I say is this personally significant and trans personally significant? 2118 02:05:19.760 --> 02:05:25.000 Because oftentimes we don't have a way to objectively measure 2119 02:05:25.079 --> 02:05:29.560 these things or have repeatable experiences. But the distinction between 2120 02:05:29.560 --> 02:05:34.800 personally significant meaning it's just just related to meet my subconscious, 2121 02:05:34.920 --> 02:05:39.520 my desires, whatever, or is it trans personally significant meaning 2122 02:05:39.760 --> 02:05:42.920 does it go beyond the personal psyche? Is this in 2123 02:05:42.960 --> 02:05:45.920 the realm of collective unconscious? Is this in the realm 2124 02:05:45.960 --> 02:05:49.720 of spirit that has the capacity to impact our objective world? 2125 02:05:50.079 --> 02:05:55.239 But is primarily psycho spiritual, and so in that way, 2126 02:05:55.399 --> 02:06:00.479 these dreams that are personally sort of insignificant man actually 2127 02:06:00.520 --> 02:06:05.079 be trans personally significant in a way we don't understand yet. 2128 02:06:06.439 --> 02:06:10.399 Yeah, like I said, with mine, I I vaguely remember. 2129 02:06:10.439 --> 02:06:12.119 I think I was talking to like my daughter or 2130 02:06:12.199 --> 02:06:13.880 something like that. I think like a TV in the 2131 02:06:13.880 --> 02:06:17.760 background had like alien. I don't know. Like like I said, 2132 02:06:17.760 --> 02:06:19.840 I don't. I didn't take it as anything significant. I 2133 02:06:19.920 --> 02:06:22.600 just I vaguely remember bits and pieces of my dreams 2134 02:06:22.600 --> 02:06:24.079 of for whatever reason why I will go up to 2135 02:06:24.079 --> 02:06:26.319 that that's the one bit of a dream that I remember. 2136 02:06:27.000 --> 02:06:31.239 Yep, interestingly, Like I didn't, I didn't remember my dreams 2137 02:06:31.239 --> 02:06:33.680 from last night. But my wife talked. My wife is 2138 02:06:33.920 --> 02:06:37.359 now a source of dream passages. She she'll have dreams 2139 02:06:37.359 --> 02:06:41.720 about aliens or UFOs and tell me about them and like, oh, okay, 2140 02:06:41.760 --> 02:06:45.039 this is actually personally meaningful to me. She's like, I 2141 02:06:45.079 --> 02:06:47.000 don't know what this means, Like, oh, okay, this makes 2142 02:06:47.039 --> 02:06:49.199 sense in the context of what I'm doing today in 2143 02:06:49.319 --> 02:06:52.720 terms of talking to people. So there's a lot of ways, 2144 02:06:53.319 --> 02:06:56.359 a lot of ways they can talk to us. Other 2145 02:06:56.439 --> 02:06:59.239 thing that I found interesting in working with so many 2146 02:06:59.359 --> 02:07:06.800 dreams is sometimes the dreams are meaningless in this moment, 2147 02:07:06.880 --> 02:07:08.760 like wes like, what does this even mean? Why am 2148 02:07:08.760 --> 02:07:12.199 I having this? And then weeks later, months later, years later, 2149 02:07:13.279 --> 02:07:17.479 you'll discover their precognitive or you discover their specific meaning there. 2150 02:07:17.600 --> 02:07:21.119 So that's another reason to pay attention to dreams and 2151 02:07:21.159 --> 02:07:26.319 to record them is you never know what ends up happening, 2152 02:07:27.159 --> 02:07:31.159 and you never know what in retrospect is meaningful. And 2153 02:07:31.239 --> 02:07:35.039 so that's one of the advice I would give to 2154 02:07:35.079 --> 02:07:38.800 people is to just pay attention more. And as you 2155 02:07:38.800 --> 02:07:42.399 pay attention more to the dreams and their correspondence with 2156 02:07:42.479 --> 02:07:45.800 waking life, they start to talk more to you because 2157 02:07:45.840 --> 02:07:48.920 they know you're paying attention to them. 2158 02:07:49.079 --> 02:07:52.600 Yeah. I always try and remember my dreams if I do, 2159 02:07:52.960 --> 02:07:56.000 and like I said, I I'm not one that remembers 2160 02:07:56.039 --> 02:07:58.520 too much, but sometimes I remember some goofy things and 2161 02:07:58.800 --> 02:08:00.439 laugh about it the next day the help of the 2162 02:08:00.520 --> 02:08:04.239 extent of where I go with my dream patterns. Yeah, 2163 02:08:04.359 --> 02:08:07.600 you mentioned dial That's something that I know you've been 2164 02:08:07.600 --> 02:08:10.840 looking into as well, if you want to dive into that. 2165 02:08:11.880 --> 02:08:15.279 Yeah. So the dial body mark I received on the 2166 02:08:15.359 --> 02:08:20.560 summer soul sye, not this summer, but the summer before 2167 02:08:20.840 --> 02:08:25.640 and I personally associated with the red grid mark in 2168 02:08:25.720 --> 02:08:29.520 that CE five style invitation, I gave explicit permission. I 2169 02:08:29.560 --> 02:08:34.520 recorded it to the mark makers according to the principle 2170 02:08:34.560 --> 02:08:39.319 of not harm for the benefit of humanity and a 2171 02:08:39.399 --> 02:08:42.239 number of other guide rails that put on that experience. 2172 02:08:42.359 --> 02:08:46.279 But I recorded this invitation, and then months later I 2173 02:08:46.319 --> 02:08:50.079 had a series of three dreams that I felt like 2174 02:08:50.199 --> 02:08:53.399 were visitation dreams, and they had certain qualities that were 2175 02:08:53.439 --> 02:08:58.359 different than my normal dreams, generally a sense of luminous darkness, 2176 02:08:58.840 --> 02:09:02.119 a sense of no that their entities here, but I 2177 02:09:02.159 --> 02:09:05.439 can't see anything. It's not like it's not like a 2178 02:09:05.760 --> 02:09:10.479 normal dream where there's visual content. It's just just black. 2179 02:09:10.680 --> 02:09:13.560 But I know everything about it. I know there's people there. 2180 02:09:13.640 --> 02:09:16.640 I can gain information. If you ask me what color 2181 02:09:16.720 --> 02:09:19.159 of robes these people were wearing, I might be able 2182 02:09:19.199 --> 02:09:21.399 to tell you or something like that. But in the 2183 02:09:21.479 --> 02:09:25.960 experience itself, it's just darkness. And I had a series 2184 02:09:26.000 --> 02:09:30.159 of these three dreams, and on the last one I 2185 02:09:30.199 --> 02:09:35.239 remember coming back from the space and being in the 2186 02:09:35.279 --> 02:09:39.920 presence of an entity I would call a guide and 2187 02:09:40.880 --> 02:09:45.239 coming back through what I would term to be something 2188 02:09:45.319 --> 02:09:48.840 like a hypnogogic image tree, so that's in between waking 2189 02:09:48.880 --> 02:09:52.560 and sleeping. The way I perceived it was an endless 2190 02:09:52.600 --> 02:09:56.640 series of gray hallways with many doors, and I walked 2191 02:09:56.680 --> 02:09:58.880 through that, and I walked through one of the doorways 2192 02:09:58.920 --> 02:10:05.640 back into my here and now. And my intuition said, 2193 02:10:05.680 --> 02:10:09.560 you had an extremely lucid dream. You will not remember 2194 02:10:09.640 --> 02:10:13.479 this whatsoever. Do not remember This's not important to remember this. 2195 02:10:14.039 --> 02:10:17.640 So I didn't record that dream, and I forgot about 2196 02:10:17.640 --> 02:10:20.079 it until I went into the sauna. I looked down 2197 02:10:20.119 --> 02:10:25.479 on my leg. I saw seven dots, very regular, very 2198 02:10:25.520 --> 02:10:30.439 small formation, and it's just had this whole intuition of 2199 02:10:30.520 --> 02:10:34.520 meaning I remember the dream. I at the same time 2200 02:10:34.560 --> 02:10:36.479 I was remembering that, I said, this is red gridmark, 2201 02:10:36.520 --> 02:10:38.439 and I was like, no, this is not red gridmark. 2202 02:10:38.479 --> 02:10:43.920 The dots look different. So I videoed it, I photoed it, 2203 02:10:44.039 --> 02:10:47.079 I recorded my feelings around it. I knew there was 2204 02:10:47.119 --> 02:10:50.680 some sort of geometric messaging in there, but I was 2205 02:10:50.800 --> 02:10:55.319 unable to discern what that was. And it's sort of 2206 02:10:55.399 --> 02:10:57.439 like how do you make sense of it? Like how 2207 02:10:57.479 --> 02:11:00.000 do you figure out is there geometry? 2208 02:11:00.239 --> 02:11:01.039 And here. 2209 02:11:02.479 --> 02:11:06.279 You know, I hadn't done geometry in a while, so 2210 02:11:06.399 --> 02:11:08.880 I didn't. I was at I was at a loss 2211 02:11:08.960 --> 02:11:12.520 as to what to do with it. So after photographing it, 2212 02:11:12.920 --> 02:11:16.520 I just moved on with my life until the winter solstice. 2213 02:11:17.439 --> 02:11:21.079 Same sort of dream stuff happened, these luminous dark spaces, 2214 02:11:22.159 --> 02:11:27.239 and then being came to me again. Dream characters guides whatever. 2215 02:11:27.760 --> 02:11:31.359 They said you want to They said, we've been observing you. 2216 02:11:31.359 --> 02:11:35.199 You you're working towards the betterment of humanity. You're you're 2217 02:11:35.239 --> 02:11:39.680 you're working in service to others. We know you want 2218 02:11:39.720 --> 02:11:42.479 to change how the world is. If you work with us, 2219 02:11:42.800 --> 02:11:48.119 we'll help you. We we shape reality. Just follow our instructions. 2220 02:11:48.279 --> 02:11:50.720 And then at the time I thought, okay, well I 2221 02:11:50.760 --> 02:11:54.039 have to meditate more. I was engaged in a variety 2222 02:11:54.079 --> 02:11:56.560 of practices and I thought, okay, I'll do these sort 2223 02:11:56.600 --> 02:12:00.520 of magical practices. Actually is what I think thought they 2224 02:12:00.560 --> 02:12:03.239 were asking me to do. But as an aside, the 2225 02:12:03.279 --> 02:12:07.760 next day, I looked at sacred geometry videos on YouTube. 2226 02:12:08.199 --> 02:12:09.880 Went to bed the next day and they said, hey, 2227 02:12:10.119 --> 02:12:13.279 you know, you did exactly what we asked. You learned 2228 02:12:13.279 --> 02:12:16.279 about sacred geometry, like this is a first for us. 2229 02:12:16.640 --> 02:12:20.880 Good job, we're building rapport. You're understanding now over the 2230 02:12:20.880 --> 02:12:24.039 next few weeks, do exactly what we say, right, don't 2231 02:12:24.039 --> 02:12:26.279 add your own spin to it like you normally do. 2232 02:12:26.279 --> 02:12:29.439 Do exactly like we said, like you did before, which 2233 02:12:29.520 --> 02:12:33.640 was just you watched these sacred geometry videos. You took 2234 02:12:33.680 --> 02:12:36.439 the action we wanted. Just keep doing that. And so 2235 02:12:36.560 --> 02:12:40.840 I learned how to focus on what they wanted or 2236 02:12:40.880 --> 02:12:44.720 the interactions there, and I was guided through this experience 2237 02:12:44.760 --> 02:12:49.960 of building learning how mendalas work analyzing crop circles. They 2238 02:12:50.000 --> 02:12:53.880 had me analyze dozens of red gridmark phenomena. This is 2239 02:12:53.920 --> 02:12:56.920 where that experience is where I gained a lot of 2240 02:12:57.000 --> 02:13:01.319 insight around the technical nature of the application of the mark. 2241 02:13:01.720 --> 02:13:04.600 That's where I became convinced we can build a model 2242 02:13:04.680 --> 02:13:11.239 here of the technology. And then they had me analyze 2243 02:13:11.239 --> 02:13:16.359 geometric patterns in UAP documentation, so that's UFO's flying information 2244 02:13:17.079 --> 02:13:23.560 or UFOs pulsating in specific patterns, and how to discern 2245 02:13:23.680 --> 02:13:27.600 those messages. They had me do ruler and compass geometry 2246 02:13:27.600 --> 02:13:31.239 on top of that to gain meaning from it. And 2247 02:13:31.279 --> 02:13:34.159 then after all of that, it was probably twenty days 2248 02:13:34.479 --> 02:13:37.159 of very obsessive work, they said, now you're ready to 2249 02:13:37.239 --> 02:13:42.000 do your body mark. Get other photos. Start analyzing it, 2250 02:13:42.560 --> 02:13:46.279 try to build a ruler and compass construction of this. 2251 02:13:46.880 --> 02:13:49.720 If you do that, then you notice a mathematical object. 2252 02:13:50.119 --> 02:13:54.039 So if I can build a mathematical a geometric object 2253 02:13:54.600 --> 02:13:58.960 using only the ruler and compass, and it's the same format, shape, 2254 02:13:58.960 --> 02:14:03.039 and size of the actual mark, then I can know 2255 02:14:03.720 --> 02:14:08.119 that that body mark is actually a mathematical geometric object 2256 02:14:08.399 --> 02:14:13.560 that's communicated through the physical means of my skin, but 2257 02:14:13.760 --> 02:14:18.760 is actually something else than just an artifact of technology. 2258 02:14:18.920 --> 02:14:23.239 It's actually a math communication. So they had me do that, 2259 02:14:23.359 --> 02:14:26.840 and I built a really I would say, a naive 2260 02:14:26.920 --> 02:14:30.560 and primitive math construction. I went left to right with 2261 02:14:30.680 --> 02:14:33.199 his dots, and I said, this dot is equal to 2262 02:14:33.239 --> 02:14:36.279 that dot, and the interval between them has a very 2263 02:14:36.279 --> 02:14:41.319 specific proportion to the interval of the whole formation, And 2264 02:14:41.560 --> 02:14:45.600 the smaller dots on the right are in golden ratio 2265 02:14:45.760 --> 02:14:49.880 proportion to the other dots, which means that's a signifier 2266 02:14:49.960 --> 02:14:54.640 that whoever made the mark understands beauty and mathematics. And 2267 02:14:54.720 --> 02:14:59.920 I built that construction. I applied it a congruence tess mean, 2268 02:15:00.000 --> 02:15:03.199 I took photos of the mark, and I took the 2269 02:15:03.359 --> 02:15:05.840 ruler and compass construction and it overlaid them on top 2270 02:15:05.880 --> 02:15:07.880 of each other, and it was a perfect fit. And 2271 02:15:07.920 --> 02:15:10.439 I go, this is it. This is a math communication. 2272 02:15:10.920 --> 02:15:14.680 From that moment on, I've been offering services of geometric 2273 02:15:14.680 --> 02:15:18.880 analysis to body mark experiences, generally for free. I ask 2274 02:15:18.960 --> 02:15:22.720 for a donation just because it takes time. People pay 2275 02:15:22.760 --> 02:15:26.199 me or not. And I offer this and people like 2276 02:15:26.239 --> 02:15:30.159 that because they go, oh, my body mark actually is geometric. 2277 02:15:30.640 --> 02:15:34.279 These are its principles, These are the characteristics of the geometry, 2278 02:15:34.319 --> 02:15:38.560 and it helps people understand that yes, this is indeed 2279 02:15:38.840 --> 02:15:42.359 intelligent communication in some way, shape or form. So it 2280 02:15:42.399 --> 02:15:46.479 adds a lot a dimension of meaning to it. So 2281 02:15:46.520 --> 02:15:50.399 that was my experience with the body mark itself. After 2282 02:15:51.279 --> 02:15:54.479 discerning the geometry within the body mark, I said, hey, 2283 02:15:54.520 --> 02:15:57.199 this has got to happen to somebody else. I have 2284 02:15:57.319 --> 02:16:02.319 to figure out if other people have experienced it. And 2285 02:16:02.560 --> 02:16:10.920 I immediately found ah, two other experiencers that had similar dreams, 2286 02:16:11.640 --> 02:16:17.439 that had similar geometry, that had the similar qualities that 2287 02:16:17.600 --> 02:16:20.000 I have it. And so at that point I said, 2288 02:16:20.000 --> 02:16:23.720 this is a phenomenon. Let's let's let's make an acronym 2289 02:16:24.039 --> 02:16:26.039 dots in the line, because that's what I was calling it. 2290 02:16:26.079 --> 02:16:30.479 So that's the dial mark, and then since then I've 2291 02:16:30.840 --> 02:16:36.360 I've analyzed about a dozen marks from people very similar phenomenon. 2292 02:16:37.239 --> 02:16:42.079 Sometimes they're sometimes they're clear marks, but puncture puncture wounds. 2293 02:16:42.120 --> 02:16:47.120 Sometimes they are big formations, sometimes they're small formations, but 2294 02:16:47.159 --> 02:16:50.799 they always have a sort of linear quality. There's always dots, 2295 02:16:50.840 --> 02:16:55.520 there's always puncture wounds. There's sometimes association with entity dreams. 2296 02:16:56.040 --> 02:16:56.440 Uh. 2297 02:16:56.479 --> 02:17:02.680 Frequently it's tall grays, and again it's associated not with 2298 02:17:02.799 --> 02:17:08.239 a sense of harm necessarily. There was one experiencer who 2299 02:17:08.399 --> 02:17:13.200 reported a sense of scratching. I associated a memory of 2300 02:17:13.239 --> 02:17:16.040 the feeling of a tattoo with these, but this experiences 2301 02:17:16.120 --> 02:17:20.319 that it hurt, It felt like a puncture wound. But 2302 02:17:20.399 --> 02:17:25.319 they also attributed miraculous healing of their leg to the marking, 2303 02:17:26.559 --> 02:17:28.920 and they said, maybe that's why it was painful, because 2304 02:17:28.920 --> 02:17:31.680 there was a miraculous healing of the nerves in the leg. 2305 02:17:31.760 --> 02:17:37.559 Itself good with it. So I've been looking into this 2306 02:17:37.639 --> 02:17:42.079 mark primarily because I've experienced it. I believe it's a 2307 02:17:42.200 --> 02:17:48.040 phenomena and that is meaningful associated with dream like encounters 2308 02:17:48.040 --> 02:17:52.879 with non human intelligence. I believe it is mathematical communication, 2309 02:17:54.280 --> 02:17:58.319 and I believe it is actually associated with UAP sightings. 2310 02:17:59.000 --> 02:18:02.680 The reason why I say this is the geometry associated 2311 02:18:02.719 --> 02:18:05.680 with the Doston A line. So if you map that 2312 02:18:05.760 --> 02:18:09.440 geometry and you draw that like circles on a line, 2313 02:18:10.040 --> 02:18:14.799 you can do the same thing with the photographs of 2314 02:18:16.159 --> 02:18:19.639 the Phoenix lights. And I cover this all in in 2315 02:18:19.680 --> 02:18:23.280 my book Missing Time Found by the way, But the 2316 02:18:23.280 --> 02:18:28.239 Phoenix lights are orbs of light that are in a 2317 02:18:28.319 --> 02:18:31.479 geometric formation that you can generally draw a line through, 2318 02:18:31.520 --> 02:18:34.559 and they generally have the same proportions in geometric themes 2319 02:18:34.600 --> 02:18:39.000 as Dowson A line. So there's a geometric connection between 2320 02:18:39.000 --> 02:18:43.079 these body mark phenomena and these geometric orb phenomena that 2321 02:18:43.159 --> 02:18:46.040 everyone has seen. I mean, that case is very famous, 2322 02:18:46.600 --> 02:18:50.319 so I believe there's a connection there. I'm sort of 2323 02:18:51.399 --> 02:18:54.840 collecting data and trying to figure out what this actually 2324 02:18:55.000 --> 02:18:58.760 is and how to work with this in a deeper way. 2325 02:18:59.000 --> 02:19:00.520 So I know I said a lot to that. I'm 2326 02:19:00.559 --> 02:19:03.639 curious about where you'd like to go next with this 2327 02:19:03.639 --> 02:19:04.200 this topic. 2328 02:19:05.440 --> 02:19:09.479 When you did the geometry, I know they say that 2329 02:19:09.959 --> 02:19:15.280 math is the universal language. Can you is it possible 2330 02:19:15.360 --> 02:19:23.280 to decipher what they're actually saying by using like the 2331 02:19:23.280 --> 02:19:25.600 the designs and everything. Is there a way that it 2332 02:19:25.600 --> 02:19:28.639 could be done, like calculated into figuring out what these 2333 02:19:28.840 --> 02:19:31.360 patterns are actually supposed to mean, if they mean anything. 2334 02:19:33.159 --> 02:19:37.159 That is a very loaded question. I love this topic. 2335 02:19:37.280 --> 02:19:40.719 It's a very loaded question. And we'll take a step 2336 02:19:40.719 --> 02:19:44.520 back and talk about how math is the universal language 2337 02:19:44.559 --> 02:19:49.360 and how it can encode meaning. One of the so 2338 02:19:50.479 --> 02:19:54.440 we have this notion in common culture that math is 2339 02:19:54.479 --> 02:19:59.079 the universal language that may be used to communicate with ets, 2340 02:19:59.639 --> 02:20:06.559 and generally SETI, or the movie Contact with Jodie Foster 2341 02:20:06.680 --> 02:20:11.200 Carl Sagan kind of exemplifies these ideas. SETI is the 2342 02:20:11.239 --> 02:20:15.280 search for extraterrestrial intelligence. They use radio telescopes to look 2343 02:20:15.319 --> 02:20:22.120 for messages and sometimes send messages using math. The question 2344 02:20:22.280 --> 02:20:26.239 is what type of math is universal? And one of 2345 02:20:26.239 --> 02:20:28.760 the things that I've been paying attention. 2346 02:20:28.479 --> 02:20:29.319 To is. 2347 02:20:30.680 --> 02:20:35.959 This quality of expert versus not expert. So we touched 2348 02:20:35.959 --> 02:20:39.200 in on this earlier right. So to understand most of 2349 02:20:39.239 --> 02:20:43.639 the messaging that the SETI researchers put out, you have 2350 02:20:43.680 --> 02:20:45.760 to be an expert in math, You have to be 2351 02:20:45.840 --> 02:20:50.879 an expert in science, in these particularly highly objective forms 2352 02:20:50.920 --> 02:20:54.440 of science and math that have a lot of assumptions 2353 02:20:54.479 --> 02:20:58.760 built into them, and generally is right. So we have 2354 02:20:58.840 --> 02:21:01.559 this notion that maybe a message might be a pulsation. 2355 02:21:02.600 --> 02:21:09.040 The contact movie shows like repeated prime numbers, and inside 2356 02:21:09.040 --> 02:21:12.920 of that wave is a lot of data that then 2357 02:21:13.120 --> 02:21:18.440 becomes characters like glyphs or whatever, that then can be 2358 02:21:18.520 --> 02:21:26.559 translated into mathematical or linguistic communications. That is an abstract 2359 02:21:26.719 --> 02:21:31.879 understanding of math as the universal language. This is something 2360 02:21:31.959 --> 02:21:37.239 I'm positing or hypothesizing. I'm gathering research in terms of 2361 02:21:37.559 --> 02:21:41.319 mathematical education and the history of math to support these claims. 2362 02:21:42.200 --> 02:21:46.280 But I say that when we think about encoding meaning 2363 02:21:46.440 --> 02:21:52.879 in math, that is an abstraction that requires experts. But 2364 02:21:53.000 --> 02:21:57.520 the universal way of working with math is generally geometry. 2365 02:21:57.840 --> 02:22:01.559 And so we're thinking about objects in space. Everyone knows 2366 02:22:01.559 --> 02:22:03.680 what a line is, a dot is, a circle is, 2367 02:22:04.120 --> 02:22:08.760 and these seem to emerge out of the base level 2368 02:22:08.879 --> 02:22:12.959 of our consciousness. How we perceive space and time is 2369 02:22:13.079 --> 02:22:17.719 some way intimately tied with the nature of geometry, and 2370 02:22:18.559 --> 02:22:23.879 that's like Euclidian geometry. So that's very basic. The way 2371 02:22:23.920 --> 02:22:27.200 we make meaning from that is twofold one is we 2372 02:22:27.239 --> 02:22:30.959 can just look at the geometry, and anyone can do 2373 02:22:31.079 --> 02:22:39.719 that in discern feelings, ascetic values so there's beauty associated 2374 02:22:39.760 --> 02:22:43.000 with the geometry, feelings associated with it. The things you 2375 02:22:43.079 --> 02:22:46.879 think about it are actually a communication and are actually 2376 02:22:47.079 --> 02:22:50.840 one dimension of meaning of this math as a universal language. 2377 02:22:51.079 --> 02:22:55.559 So anyone, the non expert who's never done geometry can 2378 02:22:55.600 --> 02:22:57.959 look at the dotsin a lined body mark or red 2379 02:22:57.959 --> 02:23:00.920 grid mark and go, oh okay, there's meaning coming off 2380 02:23:00.959 --> 02:23:04.799 of it. And that comes through primarily your intuition, like 2381 02:23:04.879 --> 02:23:08.719 we were talking about, Translating that intuition into an objective 2382 02:23:08.799 --> 02:23:16.159 statement requires sophistication and abstraction, but that base level of 2383 02:23:16.319 --> 02:23:21.559 direct apprehension of the direct intuition you experienced while looking 2384 02:23:21.559 --> 02:23:25.360 at this geometry is a communication that I would argue 2385 02:23:25.440 --> 02:23:31.200 is as meaningful as the encoded message. And there's two 2386 02:23:31.280 --> 02:23:36.159 precedents I used to substantiate that claim. What is Carl 2387 02:23:36.239 --> 02:23:40.479 Jung's work with mandalas an active imagination, and the other 2388 02:23:40.680 --> 02:23:44.799 is the Tibetan Buddhist practice of using mandalas as a 2389 02:23:44.840 --> 02:23:51.760 domain for essentially telepathic encounters with divinity. Right, So they 2390 02:23:51.840 --> 02:23:54.719 have these mandalas, there's a Buddha inside of it or 2391 02:23:55.440 --> 02:23:58.639 a spirit. You meditate on that, and then that Buddha 2392 02:23:58.719 --> 02:24:01.639 or spirit sort of tea you things, and it happens 2393 02:24:01.680 --> 02:24:05.840 in a very imaginative or intuitive way. But that's actually 2394 02:24:05.879 --> 02:24:10.239 something that religion has been based on. So we have 2395 02:24:10.319 --> 02:24:14.920 these two examples that actual geometry can lead to direct 2396 02:24:15.719 --> 02:24:21.639 mind to mind interaction with beings that at least exists 2397 02:24:21.680 --> 02:24:26.719 in the collective unconscious, that exists outside of your personal unconscious. 2398 02:24:27.000 --> 02:24:30.319 So at that level, you do right now can look 2399 02:24:30.360 --> 02:24:33.079 at the dots in the line or redgrid mark and 2400 02:24:33.159 --> 02:24:36.840 maybe imagine work with a little bit of the geometry 2401 02:24:36.920 --> 02:24:40.159 to relate it back to the circle. That's the really 2402 02:24:40.200 --> 02:24:44.120 what I'm doing with applying this geometry. If it's related 2403 02:24:44.120 --> 02:24:46.959 to this circle, then it's related to a mandala. If 2404 02:24:46.959 --> 02:24:49.239 it's related to a mandala, then you can have an 2405 02:24:49.280 --> 02:24:56.200 imaginative and intuitive interaction with something that is is communicative 2406 02:24:56.280 --> 02:25:00.760 and real at least that collective unconscious level one side 2407 02:25:00.760 --> 02:25:05.680 of it. The next step is actually figuring out do 2408 02:25:05.799 --> 02:25:09.920 these things in code, meaning in terms of messages, in 2409 02:25:10.000 --> 02:25:15.559 terms of math or not. And so there's there's two 2410 02:25:15.600 --> 02:25:19.559 things I would respond to. What is the docent line 2411 02:25:20.159 --> 02:25:26.600 and these UAP geometries actually do seem to communicate mathematical insights, 2412 02:25:27.239 --> 02:25:30.200 and so I would put forward the work of Jimmy Blanchett, 2413 02:25:30.520 --> 02:25:36.440 who works with radio communications and receives UAP manifestations that 2414 02:25:36.719 --> 02:25:41.280 kind of instruct him on geometry. He or on the 2415 02:25:41.319 --> 02:25:45.520 mathematical nature of the universe, and that there's actually communications 2416 02:25:45.559 --> 02:25:49.319 coming through about the nature of mathematics through the geometry 2417 02:25:49.319 --> 02:25:55.559 that I'm seeing. He's analyzing his geometry using math, using number, 2418 02:25:55.639 --> 02:26:00.959 and I'm doing it through geometry, and we're syncretistically collaborating. 2419 02:26:01.399 --> 02:26:04.879 So I believe he's actually receiving the same types of 2420 02:26:04.879 --> 02:26:07.680 communications I am through the dots in a line. He's 2421 02:26:07.719 --> 02:26:11.920 seeing it through UFO videos. But we're saying the same 2422 02:26:12.000 --> 02:26:16.319 things in different mathematical languages. So there's this whole body 2423 02:26:16.399 --> 02:26:19.639 of math that's coming through that has to do with 2424 02:26:20.440 --> 02:26:24.000 how the universe works, and it has to do with 2425 02:26:24.079 --> 02:26:28.280 the mathematical nature of the universe, And for his messaging, 2426 02:26:28.639 --> 02:26:33.879 it's bringing all of our mathematical and physical constants into 2427 02:26:34.079 --> 02:26:39.040 a geometric en harmonic system where everything makes sense. It's like, 2428 02:26:39.120 --> 02:26:43.360 why is a mile five thousand feet or whatever? And 2429 02:26:43.399 --> 02:26:46.079 if you if you start getting the right units, you 2430 02:26:46.159 --> 02:26:52.600 start to see that things are implied by the geometry 2431 02:26:52.600 --> 02:26:56.159 of the universe in a very regular way that isn't 2432 02:26:56.360 --> 02:27:01.479 elucidated by the strange physical constants that we have now 2433 02:27:01.600 --> 02:27:05.079 in terms of our unit system. So that's what he's getting. 2434 02:27:06.639 --> 02:27:10.840 I also have the hypothesis and I'm working with that 2435 02:27:11.159 --> 02:27:15.120 now to see about encoded meaning. So that's like binary 2436 02:27:15.200 --> 02:27:19.879 code or other codes in these phenomena. That's one of 2437 02:27:19.879 --> 02:27:25.600 the hypotheses I have looking into. After applying them ruler 2438 02:27:25.639 --> 02:27:28.799 and compass geometry to the UAPs and the dosonal line, 2439 02:27:29.440 --> 02:27:34.760 I notice these very strange deviations from geometric pattern. So 2440 02:27:34.799 --> 02:27:39.520 I can apply the same geometric pattern to multiple photos 2441 02:27:39.520 --> 02:27:44.520 of UAPs and dosonal line and the same framework will 2442 02:27:44.559 --> 02:27:48.200 touch each of the dots on dotsonal line in different 2443 02:27:48.200 --> 02:27:53.559 ways or UAPs, and the dots will be directly above 2444 02:27:53.680 --> 02:27:57.479 or directly below, or directly left or right, or one 2445 02:27:57.559 --> 02:28:01.440 or two dots away from these places of geometric oherence, 2446 02:28:01.920 --> 02:28:05.799 which signifies to me a sense of deviation from a form, 2447 02:28:06.319 --> 02:28:08.760 which then says, hey, this is a one or a 2448 02:28:08.920 --> 02:28:12.399 zero in binary. To me, I think it's actually that 2449 02:28:12.760 --> 02:28:18.120 something like binary code, but with multiple not just binary. 2450 02:28:18.159 --> 02:28:22.120 It's something like hexadecimal or something like that. Again, this 2451 02:28:22.200 --> 02:28:26.840 takes time to research. I've looked through maybe a dozen 2452 02:28:26.959 --> 02:28:30.959 examples of this geometry, I've discerned there is a pattern. 2453 02:28:32.799 --> 02:28:39.079 I need probably ten times more data to even discern 2454 02:28:39.239 --> 02:28:43.200 what that pattern or how that encoding system works. So, 2455 02:28:43.280 --> 02:28:46.520 once again a long answer to a very simple question. 2456 02:28:48.120 --> 02:28:51.600 I was just thinking, like, and I don't know the 2457 02:28:51.719 --> 02:28:53.840 year I know I was back. I believe in the nineteen eighties. 2458 02:28:53.920 --> 02:28:55.639 It was over in England. It was one of the 2459 02:28:55.719 --> 02:28:58.360 US bases or whatever is when they chase this UFO 2460 02:28:58.440 --> 02:29:01.639 through the woods, supposedly, and they claimed when they got 2461 02:29:01.639 --> 02:29:04.440 to the craft, there's a bunch of patterns and like 2462 02:29:04.600 --> 02:29:06.280 stuff that they could see when they did, and the 2463 02:29:06.319 --> 02:29:09.760 guy to brighten them out. I believe he was one 2464 02:29:09.840 --> 02:29:13.479 of the military guys. And it's like you said, it's 2465 02:29:13.479 --> 02:29:18.680 almost like binary code, and there's a bunch of marketings 2466 02:29:18.680 --> 02:29:22.079 and stuff all over. They almost said like high hybrid 2467 02:29:22.120 --> 02:29:26.159 glysts or whatever type designs on this craft. Because they 2468 02:29:26.159 --> 02:29:28.120 were it was small, they were able to touch it. 2469 02:29:29.040 --> 02:29:34.040 I've heard different variations of this story. And the last 2470 02:29:34.120 --> 02:29:36.639 I knew they had these binary codes and they were 2471 02:29:36.639 --> 02:29:39.239 trying to crack whatever the code was for what they 2472 02:29:39.280 --> 02:29:42.559 had saw when they touched this thing. And this was 2473 02:29:42.600 --> 02:29:44.360 again back in the eighties. So I thought it was 2474 02:29:44.399 --> 02:29:48.200 weird that if it was using numbers and like a 2475 02:29:48.239 --> 02:29:52.040 binary type system, maybe this is something to do that 2476 02:29:52.360 --> 02:29:55.559 like what people are having now, like you're trying to 2477 02:29:55.559 --> 02:29:59.040 figure out, like with geometry and everything else, maybe there's 2478 02:29:59.079 --> 02:30:02.600 a certain had her into all this that interconnects it. 2479 02:30:04.120 --> 02:30:07.760 Yeah, that I believe that encounter was the rendellsham like 2480 02:30:08.040 --> 02:30:13.159 Forrest encounter. Someone did. They had experience with the UFO, 2481 02:30:13.399 --> 02:30:17.760 They dissey glyphs, and then one of the experiencers kind 2482 02:30:17.799 --> 02:30:22.760 of says they went into trance and then wrote ones 2483 02:30:22.799 --> 02:30:25.399 and zeros and forgot about it for about a decade 2484 02:30:25.479 --> 02:30:30.120 or whatever, and then had some scientists decoded this these 2485 02:30:30.159 --> 02:30:37.200 ones and zeros into a message that had geographic locations 2486 02:30:37.200 --> 02:30:41.159 in them. And again Jimmy Blanchet's been looking into that 2487 02:30:41.159 --> 02:30:46.520 that message and been using the geographic placements to he's 2488 02:30:46.559 --> 02:30:50.680 actually seeing the same geometries he's seeing in the UAPs, 2489 02:30:51.040 --> 02:30:54.280 which are highly similar to the geometries and geometric messaging. 2490 02:30:54.360 --> 02:30:57.959 I'm saying he's seeing that in the placement of these 2491 02:30:58.120 --> 02:31:04.760 geographical locations. When he uses the nautical mile as the unit. 2492 02:31:04.879 --> 02:31:07.520 The nautical mile is not like a kilometer. It's not 2493 02:31:07.600 --> 02:31:12.120 like like our imperial mile we have in the States. 2494 02:31:12.200 --> 02:31:18.120 It's based on spherical geometry. It is based on division 2495 02:31:18.280 --> 02:31:22.719 of the sphere into degrees, and so there's a high 2496 02:31:22.719 --> 02:31:25.639 degree of like geometry in it. So when you apply 2497 02:31:25.719 --> 02:31:30.959 those you you start to see these patterns emerge. And 2498 02:31:31.280 --> 02:31:34.879 you apply that to the same to the geographic placements 2499 02:31:34.879 --> 02:31:38.079 in the Rendelsham message, that's what he's seeing, so that 2500 02:31:38.200 --> 02:31:42.079 it is a it is a big pattern I often 2501 02:31:42.120 --> 02:31:45.760 think about. I mean, I personally got into this experience 2502 02:31:46.440 --> 02:31:51.000 with the prejudice against binary or encoded messages. I said, 2503 02:31:51.280 --> 02:31:54.360 there's Personally I thought, you know, there can't be I mean, 2504 02:31:54.399 --> 02:31:59.040 it's just so strange to think that eats wuld communicate, 2505 02:31:59.280 --> 02:32:02.440 or non human and intelligences would communicate through binary that 2506 02:32:02.520 --> 02:32:08.200 we could then interpret. And I became convinced it was 2507 02:32:08.280 --> 02:32:12.239 the direct mind of mind communication through the mandala type, 2508 02:32:13.040 --> 02:32:15.840 through this kind of beautiful geometry. Like you have an 2509 02:32:15.879 --> 02:32:21.440 experience looking at the geometry. It's an artistic, spiritual experience, 2510 02:32:21.639 --> 02:32:24.719 like responding to it, it's emotional, it changes you. But 2511 02:32:25.120 --> 02:32:28.959 there's no real encoded message in there. But I'm actually 2512 02:32:29.239 --> 02:32:37.280 now seeing that et Nhi Communications oftentimes have as many 2513 02:32:37.319 --> 02:32:39.840 dimensions of meaning as you can pack in there. I 2514 02:32:39.879 --> 02:32:44.120 mean meaning that they're fractal, they're efficient in their communications. 2515 02:32:44.520 --> 02:32:49.319 So why wouldn't a communication be personally meaningful, transpersonally meaningful, 2516 02:32:50.040 --> 02:32:53.840 meaningful at rod geometry, and meaningful in terms of it's 2517 02:32:53.920 --> 02:32:59.959 encoded message. The message I would put forward that I'm 2518 02:33:00.120 --> 02:33:04.200 working with in terms of my mission here is that 2519 02:33:05.120 --> 02:33:08.159 you can start with the dimension of meaning that makes 2520 02:33:08.159 --> 02:33:11.479 sense to you, right, We don't need to decode these 2521 02:33:11.520 --> 02:33:15.559 messages to start working with and making sense of it. 2522 02:33:16.040 --> 02:33:19.479 Often these times there's messages have a quality of mystery 2523 02:33:19.520 --> 02:33:22.479 to them that feel like they'll never be solved. But 2524 02:33:22.799 --> 02:33:27.040 the experience I have is working, even with the emotional 2525 02:33:27.120 --> 02:33:31.120 response to some of the messages, even contemplating how strange 2526 02:33:31.159 --> 02:33:38.200 it is, just exposing oneself to these anomalousts experiences is 2527 02:33:38.360 --> 02:33:43.200 meaningful and just as meaningful as perhaps decoding a message. 2528 02:33:45.520 --> 02:33:51.799 I think with this topic in general, I think, to 2529 02:33:51.840 --> 02:33:57.040 be honest, like, it's hard to fathom how everyone is 2530 02:33:57.840 --> 02:34:00.159 having these and like you we talked earlier, a lot 2531 02:34:00.159 --> 02:34:04.920 of people might not even notice there's a reason for it. 2532 02:34:04.959 --> 02:34:08.319 And the fact that again I go back to no 2533 02:34:08.399 --> 02:34:16.239 one's even really actively mainstream wise talking about this. There 2534 02:34:16.239 --> 02:34:18.879 has to be an intelligence behind it. If you can 2535 02:34:18.959 --> 02:34:23.520 rule out some of the patterns from someone leaning on something, 2536 02:34:24.600 --> 02:34:26.079 for every one of those that are ruled out, there's 2537 02:34:26.079 --> 02:34:29.000 still some that you can't explain, and there's some sort 2538 02:34:29.040 --> 02:34:33.200 of physical intelligence behind it. But the designs and the 2539 02:34:33.239 --> 02:34:36.079 patterns and everything else, and even now you're with your 2540 02:34:36.079 --> 02:34:41.440 geometry and everything, I don't know how to get anything 2541 02:34:42.239 --> 02:34:45.239 rolling for as people in the mainstream to take this seriously. 2542 02:34:45.280 --> 02:34:48.639 I've mentioned it before on another episode with it. It 2543 02:34:48.760 --> 02:34:54.440 was a doing a podcast with a bigger podcast, and 2544 02:34:54.479 --> 02:34:56.239 I brought that up. They'd never heard of it before, 2545 02:34:56.280 --> 02:34:58.600 and they looked into it while we were on the episode, 2546 02:34:59.159 --> 02:35:01.840 and I expected then to eventually like do their own 2547 02:35:01.840 --> 02:35:04.959 episode on and they never have. So it's like even 2548 02:35:05.079 --> 02:35:07.639 other podcasters, I only know of one other podcast that 2549 02:35:07.639 --> 02:35:10.879 I've been talking to recently that have actually even had 2550 02:35:10.920 --> 02:35:14.360 an episode, whether they actually interviewed justin before I ever did. Yeah, 2551 02:35:14.399 --> 02:35:19.600 and we've talked about maybe working together and doing a 2552 02:35:19.959 --> 02:35:26.079 updated podcast for that too, just to try and bring 2553 02:35:26.079 --> 02:35:27.840 more attention to it. But at the same time, there's 2554 02:35:27.879 --> 02:35:30.719 not a whole lot of new information to put out there, 2555 02:35:31.639 --> 02:35:33.360 because there's just not a whole lot, Like you're one 2556 02:35:33.399 --> 02:35:35.840 of the first people that I know is actually researching 2557 02:35:35.879 --> 02:35:37.239 into the whole phenomena. 2558 02:35:38.799 --> 02:35:43.399 Yeah, I mean it's self frustrating to me because I'm convinced, 2559 02:35:43.479 --> 02:35:47.200 right we can we can analyze, especially the red grid mark. 2560 02:35:48.079 --> 02:35:52.600 We could deduce how many different technical intelligences and how 2561 02:35:52.639 --> 02:35:57.159 many different designers of those marks there are. I mean, 2562 02:35:57.200 --> 02:36:03.159 there are clear kind of flourishes that you associate with artistry, right, Like, 2563 02:36:03.559 --> 02:36:08.719 there's clearly technical applications. There's some people on the other 2564 02:36:08.799 --> 02:36:11.239 side making the mark that are good at it and 2565 02:36:11.360 --> 02:36:14.040 some people that are bad at it, and you know, 2566 02:36:14.440 --> 02:36:17.079 you can see who they're interacting with, and it's the 2567 02:36:17.159 --> 02:36:19.879 same guys making the same type of mark here as 2568 02:36:19.920 --> 02:36:26.840 over there, basically, and to have that level of capacity 2569 02:36:26.959 --> 02:36:31.200 and insight into this strange phenomena that will clearly lead 2570 02:36:31.280 --> 02:36:36.000 us to some level of inter dimensional advanced technology, Like 2571 02:36:36.079 --> 02:36:38.399 that's the conclusion you, like I have to come to. 2572 02:36:39.719 --> 02:36:42.319 Why we're not studying this and why we're still just 2573 02:36:42.879 --> 02:36:45.600 talking about whether or not UAPs are real or whether 2574 02:36:45.639 --> 02:36:49.000 or not this phenomena are real is very frustrating to me. 2575 02:36:49.399 --> 02:36:52.120 But it's something that we have to be patient with. 2576 02:36:52.879 --> 02:36:55.200 And I think a lot about this too, about the 2577 02:36:55.239 --> 02:36:59.600 response of the mainstream about how everyone might really be 2578 02:36:59.680 --> 02:37:04.840 having these experiences. I put forward in my book Missing 2579 02:37:04.879 --> 02:37:09.600 Time found that all of these experiences, the primary precedent 2580 02:37:09.760 --> 02:37:15.120 for et A Nhi contact is a dream experience, actually, 2581 02:37:15.719 --> 02:37:20.319 And the reason why I talk about this, and I'm 2582 02:37:20.319 --> 02:37:24.280 talking about this now is that I believe that the 2583 02:37:24.319 --> 02:37:27.440 way we treat dreams is the way we're treating et 2584 02:37:27.639 --> 02:37:33.520 nhi contact, and that we in the West and especially 2585 02:37:33.600 --> 02:37:37.479 Western science, for the last only three hundred years, have 2586 02:37:37.639 --> 02:37:43.319 had a strong bias against dreams as being real or meaningful. 2587 02:37:43.719 --> 02:37:46.840 We say, no, no, no, they're they're just fantasies of 2588 02:37:46.879 --> 02:37:50.040 the mind that are meaningless, and if they are meaningful, 2589 02:37:50.319 --> 02:37:55.600 there's simply wish fulfillment, like Freud says, and we don't 2590 02:37:55.639 --> 02:37:59.799 have as a culture. We've been sort of trained away 2591 02:38:00.040 --> 02:38:03.440 and working with our dreams, and we've been trained away 2592 02:38:03.479 --> 02:38:09.959 from the awareness that we are each powerful beings in 2593 02:38:10.000 --> 02:38:14.280 the dream world with the capacity to both navigate and 2594 02:38:14.399 --> 02:38:20.399 negotiate our collective fortune through this sort of mediating relationships 2595 02:38:20.479 --> 02:38:25.600 with non human intelligences. In traditional dreaming, cultures. The non 2596 02:38:25.680 --> 02:38:29.559 human intelligences include the wisdom of the Earth, include the 2597 02:38:29.600 --> 02:38:33.520 wisdom of the ancestors, include you know, like the voice 2598 02:38:33.559 --> 02:38:35.920 of the forest, and the voice of the forest will 2599 02:38:35.959 --> 02:38:39.200 tell you where to find food, where to avoid danger, 2600 02:38:39.559 --> 02:38:42.600 that sort of thing. And they also talk to non 2601 02:38:42.719 --> 02:38:47.120 human intelligence is like we might imagine aliens and things 2602 02:38:47.200 --> 02:38:51.360 like that. So we in the Western science we don't 2603 02:38:51.360 --> 02:38:55.680 even know how to relate to our closest neighbors, like 2604 02:38:55.799 --> 02:38:59.200 the wisdom of the forest and mother Earth, that sort 2605 02:38:59.200 --> 02:39:01.559 of thing through the dream So how could we even 2606 02:39:01.760 --> 02:39:06.879 imagine working with something so exotic as these phenomena, And 2607 02:39:06.959 --> 02:39:09.520 yet it seems that these things are real and want 2608 02:39:09.680 --> 02:39:12.559 us to communicate. That's the conclusion I have with the 2609 02:39:13.399 --> 02:39:16.280 body mark phenomena. They're inviting us and they're saying, hey, 2610 02:39:17.040 --> 02:39:19.840 don't forget to work with us, don't forget to work 2611 02:39:19.879 --> 02:39:25.360 with these dreamlike ways of knowing, and they're reinviting us 2612 02:39:25.360 --> 02:39:29.280 to that conversation. That's in part why I think there's. 2613 02:39:28.479 --> 02:39:32.600 So much mystery associated with like the cryptids or the UAPs, 2614 02:39:32.760 --> 02:39:35.520 is there's a hook in there to draw us and 2615 02:39:36.159 --> 02:39:40.280 to expand us from this very limited worldview to one where. 2616 02:39:40.079 --> 02:39:47.360 We see ourselves as equal participants in this unfolding relationship 2617 02:39:47.399 --> 02:39:52.440 between humanity and the non human intelligences, and I think 2618 02:39:52.479 --> 02:39:56.000 we feel disempowered. I think we feel alienated in those 2619 02:39:56.040 --> 02:39:59.600 experiences because we've not been trained. We're not even aware 2620 02:39:59.680 --> 02:40:04.399 that the these things are possible, primarily because of Western 2621 02:40:04.520 --> 02:40:08.920 the history of Western science and really diving deep into 2622 02:40:08.959 --> 02:40:12.319 the objective material reality around us. 2623 02:40:13.200 --> 02:40:17.280 You'd mentioned the UAPs and cryptids and the dimensions and everything. 2624 02:40:17.319 --> 02:40:20.760 That's the route that I've actually doved down into recently 2625 02:40:20.799 --> 02:40:27.159 a lot because completely off topic, but when I've interviewed 2626 02:40:27.200 --> 02:40:30.200 other people have had these experiences or whatever with what 2627 02:40:30.280 --> 02:40:35.879 they believe to be cryptids or even with extraterrestrials. I'm 2628 02:40:35.920 --> 02:40:39.600 not even one hundred percent sure that the extraterrestrials are 2629 02:40:39.639 --> 02:40:44.360 actually from space anymore. I think that they're more interdimensional. 2630 02:40:45.159 --> 02:40:48.280 And that's how I feel with a lot of these 2631 02:40:49.799 --> 02:40:52.239 encounters with what people believe or some sort of cryptids 2632 02:40:52.319 --> 02:40:55.159 or whatever, and I think it could all go back 2633 02:40:55.239 --> 02:41:00.520 into the same type of entity in itself flake even 2634 02:41:00.559 --> 02:41:04.639 with the spirit realm. I think there's something on the 2635 02:41:04.680 --> 02:41:07.079 other side that we bleed into. I know people see 2636 02:41:07.120 --> 02:41:11.319 shadow people what if that's just another person, but they're 2637 02:41:11.360 --> 02:41:13.879 just on that different spectrum than what we are. They're 2638 02:41:13.920 --> 02:41:17.440 on that other realm and they're bleeding into our world. 2639 02:41:17.760 --> 02:41:19.399 Same thing, well, I could say with the ghosts, same 2640 02:41:19.399 --> 02:41:21.600 thing with these people. Say they bigfoot, then all of 2641 02:41:21.600 --> 02:41:24.360 a sudden it just disappears in these lights in the skies, 2642 02:41:24.399 --> 02:41:27.399 and it almost to me sounds like it's not so 2643 02:41:27.559 --> 02:41:32.200 much from outer space. It's more or less from a 2644 02:41:32.239 --> 02:41:35.680 different dimension that we just can't see into, and we 2645 02:41:35.799 --> 02:41:38.639 just see bits and pieces when they interact with us. 2646 02:41:40.559 --> 02:41:45.559 Yes, I would tend to agree with that, the notion 2647 02:41:45.760 --> 02:41:51.120 that these beings have flowing through space from different planets 2648 02:41:51.799 --> 02:41:55.760 to interact with us, does it? I mean Jacques Valet 2649 02:41:56.399 --> 02:41:59.680 in his books like Dimension or Passports to Mogonia, really 2650 02:42:00.079 --> 02:42:03.639 ask the question like, how can it be that space 2651 02:42:03.680 --> 02:42:07.200 travelers can fly light years and mess up a surgery 2652 02:42:07.360 --> 02:42:11.159 so bad that you know they leave marks on the body. 2653 02:42:11.520 --> 02:42:14.520 As a hypnotist, I often think about this because most 2654 02:42:14.559 --> 02:42:18.040 of the time people say missing time or the fact 2655 02:42:18.040 --> 02:42:22.639 that we don't remember these experiences is caused by either 2656 02:42:22.719 --> 02:42:26.520 alien mind control or they're traumatic events that we're repressing. 2657 02:42:26.879 --> 02:42:29.520 If it's alien mind control, Like, if the aliens are 2658 02:42:29.520 --> 02:42:33.399 actually controlling our mind, why can I as a hypnotist, 2659 02:42:34.639 --> 02:42:38.319 you know, in the twenty first century, Like we're still 2660 02:42:38.440 --> 02:42:41.760 using cars and fossil fuels. We still don't know exactly 2661 02:42:41.760 --> 02:42:45.040 how the brain works, Like, how can I counteract these 2662 02:42:45.159 --> 02:42:49.719 the advanced technology of alien mind control? And my conclusion is, 2663 02:42:50.159 --> 02:42:52.079 if it were the case that I was working with 2664 02:42:52.120 --> 02:42:56.479 alien mind control from such advanced civilizations, I would not 2665 02:42:56.600 --> 02:43:05.000 be able to support experiencers to remember their experiences. I 2666 02:43:05.040 --> 02:43:09.079 put forward the notion that we don't remember these experiences 2667 02:43:09.159 --> 02:43:12.520 for the same exact reason we don't remember our rem 2668 02:43:12.600 --> 02:43:18.479 dreaming every night. And I say that because REM dreams 2669 02:43:18.600 --> 02:43:23.959 have fantastic beings, impossible physics, and things like that. Likewise, 2670 02:43:24.399 --> 02:43:27.959 REM dream is associated with sleep paralysis. Alien abduction is 2671 02:43:28.000 --> 02:43:31.360 associated with sleep paralysis. Most of the UFO sightings are 2672 02:43:31.399 --> 02:43:35.879 seen around those times too, So something is happening in 2673 02:43:35.959 --> 02:43:40.479 terms of the bleedover of dimensions in association with the 2674 02:43:40.600 --> 02:43:46.399 dreaming mind. That's what I would hypothesize here. Interestingly, this 2675 02:43:46.520 --> 02:43:49.840 whole notion of are they physically real in the way 2676 02:43:49.879 --> 02:43:54.520 they appear or is there a deeper reality there? People 2677 02:43:54.559 --> 02:44:00.959 have had this conversation for centuries, almost millennia. I have 2678 02:44:01.040 --> 02:44:05.159 the earliest example of this kind of question I found 2679 02:44:05.280 --> 02:44:11.399 in talk in the Neoplatonic philosophy, so that's late antiquity, 2680 02:44:11.799 --> 02:44:17.840 that's like three to five hundred eighty. People were talking 2681 02:44:17.879 --> 02:44:23.399 about god visitations, so like that the ancient Greek gods, 2682 02:44:23.440 --> 02:44:29.000 particularly the goddess Sclepius, who is described as a shape 2683 02:44:29.000 --> 02:44:32.000 shifting reptilian being who lives in the sky. Right, some 2684 02:44:32.040 --> 02:44:34.840 people were like, Oh, this shape shifting reptilian visited me 2685 02:44:35.000 --> 02:44:37.639 in my dream space and it felt really real. And 2686 02:44:37.760 --> 02:44:40.680 other people were like, well, we think that that might 2687 02:44:40.719 --> 02:44:43.040 be the case, but we also think that this may 2688 02:44:43.079 --> 02:44:47.239 be a representation of a formless consciousness, and you're just 2689 02:44:47.360 --> 02:44:51.600 applying the forms of Greek philosophy or Greek mythology to 2690 02:44:51.760 --> 02:44:57.280 this formless damon or angelic being, and it might be 2691 02:44:57.360 --> 02:45:01.719 something else. And so there has been this dialogue around 2692 02:45:01.799 --> 02:45:04.120 whether the forms we have perceived of these non human 2693 02:45:04.159 --> 02:45:08.200 intelligences are actually that or are they simply just rejections 2694 02:45:08.360 --> 02:45:14.760 or kind of cloaks that these formless beings where when 2695 02:45:14.760 --> 02:45:19.239 they visit us. And my conclusion, I don't have a conclusion, 2696 02:45:19.280 --> 02:45:22.680 but sort of both is how I interact with it. 2697 02:45:24.760 --> 02:45:29.520 Yeah, I don't. I don't really have an opinion one 2698 02:45:29.559 --> 02:45:33.280 way or the other on certain topics because I've seen 2699 02:45:33.360 --> 02:45:36.760 stuff I can't explain it. I know other people see 2700 02:45:36.799 --> 02:45:41.879 things they can't explain it. I've actually interviewed someone last year. 2701 02:45:42.040 --> 02:45:46.040 I've reached out to them again, and you'd mentioned something 2702 02:45:46.079 --> 02:45:50.600 earlier about when you had your dreams, and they were 2703 02:45:51.799 --> 02:45:55.959 he was he believes to be have been abducted and 2704 02:45:56.040 --> 02:45:58.360 they were showing him things as well. And he's also 2705 02:45:58.399 --> 02:46:03.440 a doctor. He's from Greece, and he actually has had 2706 02:46:03.440 --> 02:46:05.959 people send him stuff that they found in their body, 2707 02:46:06.040 --> 02:46:10.760 like implants or whatever. And he was able to confirm 2708 02:46:11.280 --> 02:46:16.840 that the material from this crashed little orb they found, 2709 02:46:17.440 --> 02:46:19.000 he had some of it sent to him, and then 2710 02:46:19.079 --> 02:46:22.879 the patterns to this that was actually in someone's foot, 2711 02:46:22.920 --> 02:46:29.120 I believe it was. It's basically intelligently made, like it's 2712 02:46:29.120 --> 02:46:32.879 almost like the same type of materials, and it was 2713 02:46:32.920 --> 02:46:35.680 like the first conclusive things from that he could prove 2714 02:46:36.719 --> 02:46:41.799 that these implants were they had like these little It's 2715 02:46:41.799 --> 02:46:44.280 been over a year since I've talked to him, but 2716 02:46:44.399 --> 02:46:47.879 it's they had these under a microscope or everything had 2717 02:46:47.879 --> 02:46:50.479 like these little channels and everything almost like your blood 2718 02:46:50.520 --> 02:46:53.040 flow system, like your arteries and everything else in this little, 2719 02:46:53.079 --> 02:46:57.520 tiny microscopic thing. And to me, it seems like it's 2720 02:46:57.559 --> 02:47:02.239 highly intelligently made. Now what it is, I couldn't tell you. 2721 02:47:02.680 --> 02:47:08.040 He listed what the materials were in everything. But I've 2722 02:47:08.040 --> 02:47:10.159 actually reached out to him a little bit ago to 2723 02:47:10.280 --> 02:47:12.440 see if there's been any updates, because I said it's 2724 02:47:12.479 --> 02:47:14.639 been over a year. I'm curious to see if he's 2725 02:47:14.639 --> 02:47:17.079 found anything else or if anyone else has ever sent 2726 02:47:17.159 --> 02:47:20.120 him anything based off of the interview that we had, 2727 02:47:20.959 --> 02:47:25.760 because that's the other thing, like I talked to him before, 2728 02:47:25.760 --> 02:47:27.760 I've ever even heard of what the grid gridmark pattern 2729 02:47:27.920 --> 02:47:36.479 was or a red Grimmark fanana phenomenon. And now if 2730 02:47:36.520 --> 02:47:41.000 there's different entities that are implanting different types of materials 2731 02:47:41.040 --> 02:47:43.879 into people, then there's other ones that are putting these 2732 02:47:43.920 --> 02:47:46.959 patterns on people. Again, it goes back to that age 2733 02:47:47.000 --> 02:47:48.920 old question of why are they doing it? I know 2734 02:47:49.040 --> 02:47:50.799 you don't have an answer. I no one really does. 2735 02:47:50.920 --> 02:47:54.799 But it's just weird that there's certain different aspects of 2736 02:47:54.799 --> 02:47:55.920 people are experiencing. 2737 02:47:58.399 --> 02:48:03.280 Yes, just listen to that podcast actually, and was going 2738 02:48:03.280 --> 02:48:06.479 to reach out to him later today as well. Not 2739 02:48:06.600 --> 02:48:10.719 because of like implant experience. I'm always interested in that. 2740 02:48:10.799 --> 02:48:14.159 I've never experienced anything like that, never seen anything, but 2741 02:48:14.479 --> 02:48:20.840 because of his connect the connecting of the implants elements, 2742 02:48:20.879 --> 02:48:23.760 like the profile of elements or whatever with stuff that 2743 02:48:23.760 --> 02:48:27.719 that's from a UAP. And I see that the geometric 2744 02:48:27.799 --> 02:48:30.600 themes that I've discerned in the dots and the line 2745 02:48:30.600 --> 02:48:35.280 body mark being literally exactly the same geometries of the 2746 02:48:35.280 --> 02:48:41.479 phoenix lights indicates to me that there is a strong connection, right, 2747 02:48:41.559 --> 02:48:45.440 It's not it's not like there are lights in the sky, uh, 2748 02:48:45.479 --> 02:48:49.200 and these are alien vessels or something like that. There's 2749 02:48:49.239 --> 02:48:53.280 some sort of intimate connection with our bodies and these craft. 2750 02:48:53.559 --> 02:48:56.600 And that's sort of what it sounds like when they 2751 02:48:56.760 --> 02:49:00.319 are intelligently designing like these craft that have the same 2752 02:49:00.360 --> 02:49:03.799 material here. I mean, I've heard similar things around, like 2753 02:49:04.159 --> 02:49:11.239 channels within advanced materials being indicatory of UAP materials, that 2754 02:49:11.399 --> 02:49:15.520 sort of thing. So that what he found very much 2755 02:49:15.520 --> 02:49:19.280 aligns with the other whisperings I hear about reverse engineer 2756 02:49:19.319 --> 02:49:24.319 technology or like the reverse engineering insights that have emerged. 2757 02:49:25.680 --> 02:49:32.159 So we can actually based on the connection between these 2758 02:49:32.200 --> 02:49:35.719 experiences and dreams. I would say, we do have the 2759 02:49:35.799 --> 02:49:41.120 capacity to understand why, at least in one dimension of meaning. So, 2760 02:49:41.399 --> 02:49:45.079 like I said, there's many dimensions of meaning, subjective and objective, 2761 02:49:45.200 --> 02:49:48.920 personal and trans personal. We can look to the history 2762 02:49:49.040 --> 02:49:56.000 of mathematics and philosophy right and we can see there 2763 02:49:56.000 --> 02:50:03.159 has been interactions with mathematicians, political people with entities that 2764 02:50:03.280 --> 02:50:07.559 may be similar to the entities we're talking about through 2765 02:50:07.719 --> 02:50:10.520 dreams or dream like experiences that are similar to the 2766 02:50:10.559 --> 02:50:15.079 experiences we're talking about throughout history, and they generally bring 2767 02:50:16.000 --> 02:50:22.959 creative insights regarding science, math, philosophy, technology. Socrates is the 2768 02:50:23.000 --> 02:50:28.200 father of Western philosophy basically, and he had psychedelic experiences 2769 02:50:28.239 --> 02:50:31.040 in which he talked to a non human intelligence, would 2770 02:50:31.040 --> 02:50:34.799 tell them things the same thing what they cart, where 2771 02:50:34.799 --> 02:50:41.040 we get a lot of our understanding of like the 2772 02:50:41.079 --> 02:50:45.120 scientific method and also how we think about geometry. 2773 02:50:45.200 --> 02:50:45.399 Now. 2774 02:50:45.520 --> 02:50:48.319 He actually was inspired by a series of three dreams, 2775 02:50:49.440 --> 02:50:53.559 and there is there's this constant history of interaction between 2776 02:50:53.559 --> 02:50:58.680 math and science and these ron human intelligences that we think, oh, whatever, 2777 02:50:58.840 --> 02:51:02.200 the scientists are just going to sleep and having dreams 2778 02:51:02.280 --> 02:51:06.399 and imagining that they're talking to entities like Tesla is 2779 02:51:06.399 --> 02:51:11.479 a great example. Or actually we could take their take 2780 02:51:11.479 --> 02:51:14.239 them at their word, and go, hey, they have these encounters, 2781 02:51:14.600 --> 02:51:20.399 and these encounters seem to be moving forward science and culture, 2782 02:51:21.239 --> 02:51:24.079 and that's one of the reasons. That's that's not a 2783 02:51:24.159 --> 02:51:27.200 satisfying reason as to why they're interacting with us, but 2784 02:51:27.280 --> 02:51:30.200 that's one of the deductions we can make, I believe 2785 02:51:31.120 --> 02:51:32.760 looking at this phenomenon in general. 2786 02:51:33.719 --> 02:51:38.559 Yeah, well, we're getting close to that two hour mark, 2787 02:51:39.319 --> 02:51:41.760 so I don't know if there's any other things you 2788 02:51:41.799 --> 02:51:46.479 want to jump into before we try and wrap this 2789 02:51:46.559 --> 02:51:48.200 one up. I know we talked a bit about a 2790 02:51:48.239 --> 02:51:50.760 little bit of everything, but I know you do. You 2791 02:51:50.760 --> 02:51:52.360 have your own website and everything, so if you want 2792 02:51:52.360 --> 02:51:53.479 to talk a little bit about. 2793 02:51:53.239 --> 02:51:58.159 It, yeah, I'll talk about how people can connect with me, 2794 02:51:58.239 --> 02:52:01.399 and my research again is sort of I work with 2795 02:52:01.440 --> 02:52:05.440 a variety of different people. It's experiencers, it's experiences of 2796 02:52:05.479 --> 02:52:11.040 missing time, ety contact, strange dreams, psychic phenomena. We do 2797 02:52:11.159 --> 02:52:16.280 dream work in hypnosis. The hypnosis I offer is in 2798 02:52:16.319 --> 02:52:20.319 alignment with my theories that hypnosis is actually shamanic dream work. 2799 02:52:20.799 --> 02:52:24.399 So I'll talk a lot about that, about how regression 2800 02:52:24.520 --> 02:52:27.280 hypnosis is a means of knowledge, but it is not 2801 02:52:27.360 --> 02:52:31.600 a means of objective knowledge nor a means of historic testimony. 2802 02:52:31.920 --> 02:52:36.440 So this resolves a bit of the controversies around regression hypnosis, 2803 02:52:36.639 --> 02:52:41.200 particularly that emerged in the nineties called the memory wars, 2804 02:52:41.479 --> 02:52:45.000 a controversy or false memories. So we say, hey, it's 2805 02:52:45.000 --> 02:52:48.920 a dream like experience. You can understand the alse of this. 2806 02:52:49.200 --> 02:52:53.200 These experiences like dreams, and that's how I work with people. 2807 02:52:53.959 --> 02:52:57.680 I offer all of my work by donation, so that's 2808 02:52:57.719 --> 02:53:00.239 like after the fact for the sessions people don't nate 2809 02:53:00.319 --> 02:53:03.959 for it. I have all of the material website that's 2810 02:53:04.079 --> 02:53:08.440 d SETI dot org d s e t i dot 2811 02:53:08.559 --> 02:53:12.200 org that stands for the Dream Search or Study of 2812 02:53:12.280 --> 02:53:16.520 Extraterrestrial Intelligence. I've got a couple of books on Amazon 2813 02:53:17.239 --> 02:53:21.440 you can get there to through the website, and most 2814 02:53:21.479 --> 02:53:25.680 recently put out a lot of three case studies about 2815 02:53:25.719 --> 02:53:30.159 redgridmark phenomena and several case studies about the Dawson line phenomena, 2816 02:53:30.239 --> 02:53:33.559 the UAP studies. That's in my book Missing Time Found. 2817 02:53:33.840 --> 02:53:37.079 Don't worry, It's just a dream again, available on my 2818 02:53:37.120 --> 02:53:40.719 website or Amazon via the links on the website. So 2819 02:53:40.760 --> 02:53:42.600 that's the best way to get in contact with me. 2820 02:53:43.079 --> 02:53:47.360 If you're interested in geometric analysis of the body marks, 2821 02:53:47.399 --> 02:53:50.440 I would really appreciate. I love working with that. That's 2822 02:53:50.520 --> 02:53:52.760 one of the things that the other side had told 2823 02:53:52.760 --> 02:53:56.360 me to do is offer this as a service someone 2824 02:53:56.399 --> 02:53:59.879 has a mark. Is in part my responsibility to offer 2825 02:54:00.520 --> 02:54:03.920 the service of geometric analysis. I say, hey, this is 2826 02:54:03.959 --> 02:54:06.879 the geometry I see, this is I don't see. Geometry 2827 02:54:07.360 --> 02:54:10.040 is not a definitive response. It's a step in an 2828 02:54:10.079 --> 02:54:13.959 inquiry that the experiencer has, but it provides some understanding 2829 02:54:14.200 --> 02:54:17.159 or some ways to sync the teeth in. So those 2830 02:54:17.200 --> 02:54:19.559 are the best way. That's the best way to get 2831 02:54:19.600 --> 02:54:22.079 in contact with me is through DSETI dot org. 2832 02:54:23.399 --> 02:54:25.479 I'll make sure I include that the show notes for 2833 02:54:25.520 --> 02:54:28.319 anyone out there listening that wants to get in contact 2834 02:54:28.319 --> 02:54:33.159 with Daniel. But I do want to say this has 2835 02:54:33.200 --> 02:54:36.920 been a very enlightening conversation. I hope everyone listening has 2836 02:54:37.000 --> 02:54:40.680 enjoyed this, because I believe this is definitely a topic 2837 02:54:40.760 --> 02:54:44.440 that needs to be more upfront and out there for 2838 02:54:44.479 --> 02:54:48.479 people to research and look into. And as we've said 2839 02:54:48.559 --> 02:54:52.920 up several times, mainstream media does not tend to look 2840 02:54:52.959 --> 02:54:55.879 at it and needed to do the scientist for some reason. 2841 02:54:56.799 --> 02:55:01.840 But hopefully with more episodes and more dealings with it 2842 02:55:01.879 --> 02:55:05.639 and more people coming forward, it'll eventually help blow the 2843 02:55:05.680 --> 02:55:09.920 lid off. But till then we'll just keep chugging along. 2844 02:55:09.959 --> 02:55:13.840 I guess yep, that's how it works. Well, thank you 2845 02:55:13.879 --> 02:55:16.120 for having me and it's been a pleasure to talk 2846 02:55:16.159 --> 02:55:20.000 to you, and I appreciate this space you're holding for 2847 02:55:20.280 --> 02:55:23.200 experiencers to share their stories. That was one of the 2848 02:55:23.239 --> 02:55:27.239 things that really impressed me about your podcast is your 2849 02:55:27.440 --> 02:55:31.399 quality of listening and your lack of judgment as so 2850 02:55:31.440 --> 02:55:33.360 whether or not these things are real. I think that 2851 02:55:33.559 --> 02:55:36.520 is actually the perspective we need to bring to this 2852 02:55:36.639 --> 02:55:40.600 subject matters. These are meaningful, these are impactful, let's just listen. 2853 02:55:41.399 --> 02:55:43.360 So thank you for bringing that presence to the. 2854 02:55:43.399 --> 02:55:48.120 World and not a problem. I always said, I'm just 2855 02:55:48.159 --> 02:55:50.559 here to give a platform for everyone else to share 2856 02:55:50.559 --> 02:55:53.440 their experiences, so that's why I do it. 2857 02:55:54.639 --> 02:55:55.159 Wonderful. 2858 02:55:55.920 --> 02:55:58.440 Well again, Daniel, I definitely appreciate you coming on here 2859 02:55:58.440 --> 02:56:00.280 today and talking with me. It's been my pleasure. 2860 02:56:00.000 --> 02:56:01.879 Thank you. Mitcha. 2861 02:56:02.920 --> 02:56:10.239 You have a good one. You Chip If you would 2862 02:56:10.239 --> 02:56:12.239 like to be a guest on tenfoil Tels, remember to 2863 02:56:12.280 --> 02:56:15.319 send an email the Tenfoil Tells Podcast to gmail dot com, 2864 02:56:15.440 --> 02:56:18.000 or you can also go to tenfoiltales dot com and 2865 02:56:18.040 --> 02:56:20.120 go to the contact section. Just make sure to reach 2866 02:56:20.120 --> 02:56:21.440 out and get a hold of me and we will 2867 02:56:21.440 --> 02:56:23.879 get something schedule for a future episode. You can also 2868 02:56:23.920 --> 02:56:27.120 find tenfoil Tales on Facebook and Instagram. Just look for 2869 02:56:27.159 --> 02:56:30.120 Tenfoil Tells podcast and reach out to me that way too. 2870 02:56:30.520 --> 02:56:32.680 Remember to share the show around. Word of mouth is 2871 02:56:32.680 --> 02:56:34.719 the best way to help the show grow, and just 2872 02:56:34.799 --> 02:56:37.760 remember truth comes at cost. Are you willing to pay 2873 02:56:37.760 --> 02:56:38.159 the price.