Speaker 1: Oh she is bot It's showtime.
Speaker 2: People say good money to see this movie.
Speaker 3: When they go out to a theater, they want cold sodas,
Speaker 3: pop popcorn, and no monsters in the protection booth.
Speaker 1: Everyone pretend podcasting isn't boring.
Speaker 2: Got it off.
Speaker 4: Thank you for a great to make this documentary.
Speaker 1: NAT's rucker rhymes with trucker.
Speaker 2: That's my wife, Darlene. She's a real looker, ain't she.
Speaker 3: What is your contribution to society? As truckers?
Speaker 5: A contribution to society?
Speaker 6: Twenty eight years of my life.
Speaker 2: I've been working on this poetry.
Speaker 5: It's lonely up there on the road. You gotta love
Speaker 5: where you can.
Speaker 2: I love Darling. I'm not saying you don't love your wife.
Speaker 7: Yeah, it's hard to being on the road alone.
Speaker 5: It looks a lot lacker, but Darling's much pretty.
Speaker 7: Let it go out.
Speaker 2: Your wife not doing it for you anymore?
Speaker 1: Do you want to show you how I do it?
Speaker 4: Do you think you're like your masterpiece?
Speaker 1: When you're master piece?
Speaker 6: I like the ring of that.
Speaker 5: Pay attention.
Speaker 4: You're not taking advantage of her, are you sure?
Speaker 2: Rucker Trucker, Welcome to the projection booth. I'm your host
Speaker 2: Mike woye Joni once again, is mister Chris Dashu. I'm
Speaker 2: here love when you give those very pithy answers.
Speaker 7: Chris, you're well.
Speaker 2: Also back in the booth is Father Malone.
Speaker 7: We got a big old convoy rolling through the night.
Speaker 7: Convoy of one nice.
Speaker 2: October continues with a Patreon request from John Redford. It
Speaker 2: is a discussion of the twenty twenty two horror film
Speaker 2: A Rucker That's r u c k e R. It's
Speaker 2: all about Darius Rucker, the lead singer of Hoodie and
Speaker 2: the Flowfish.
Speaker 1: Wish it was man. He only wants to be with
Speaker 1: you God. That was the other title for.
Speaker 2: The movie, and they didn't go with that could have
Speaker 2: been Actually. The film follows Leaf Rucker, a seemingly ordinary
Speaker 2: long haul trucker who has been serially killing women resembling
Speaker 2: his ex wife life for thirty years. The narrative takes
Speaker 2: a turn when Maggie, a young filmmaker making a documentary
Speaker 2: about truckers, becomes privy to Rutger's deadly secret and chooses
Speaker 2: to document his crimes. We will be spoiling the film
Speaker 2: as we go along, so if you don't want anything ruined,
Speaker 2: please turn off the podcast and track down Rucker. We
Speaker 2: will still be here now. I imagine this was a
Speaker 2: first time watch for all of us. So, FATHERM alone,
Speaker 2: what were your initial impressions of.
Speaker 7: Rucker, Sir, I did not like this movie, which isn't
Speaker 7: to say that it isn't competently made and acted. Actually,
Speaker 7: the lead guy is really good, so I enjoyed a
Speaker 7: lot of the performances. Like I said, I think it's
Speaker 7: really well shot. I love the animation sequences, the sequences
Speaker 7: that sort of detail letters from his daughter while he
Speaker 7: was out on the road, detailing her life. I thought
Speaker 7: that was all beautiful. But I think the script is boring.
Speaker 7: It is the film is glacially paid and episodic, and
Speaker 7: we spend too much time at karaoke.
Speaker 1: You mean, not enough time at karaoke.
Speaker 7: I was just about to reverse myself and then to
Speaker 7: say that maybe we needed more karaoke. I don't know.
Speaker 7: It's just the problem with this movie is the script.
Speaker 7: It feels thirty years too late and has nothing new
Speaker 7: to say about serial killing or serial killers or ultimately
Speaker 7: what these characters have.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 7: The pathology all works out a little bit, but anyway,
Speaker 7: I didn't like the movie, Mike.
Speaker 2: All right, that's fair, Chris, how about yourself?
Speaker 6: Well, what was interesting is I was looking for inspired
Speaker 6: by a writing credit for John McNaughton at some point
Speaker 6: in all of this, and then I realized, to father
Speaker 6: Malone's point that for me, as someone who spent four
Speaker 6: and a half years listening to watching things about serial
Speaker 6: killers and throwing myself into it with scary stories, we
Speaker 6: tell this is the kind of stuff that I would
Speaker 6: be into. It also has some appeal because it's a
Speaker 6: little bit of a I don't think indie movie, whatever
Speaker 6: the fuck that means anymore indie enough, and I think
Speaker 6: it has some appeal.
Speaker 1: And again, yeah, the idea is novel, but.
Speaker 6: It also feels Liz is twenty twenty four, Give me
Speaker 6: a fucking break, Like, I don't know, you should have
Speaker 6: at least set the movie in the nineties, but this
Speaker 6: is such a nineties idea. It feels so not of
Speaker 6: the time that the movie is taking place. This is
Speaker 6: meant to take place now, or at least in twenty
Speaker 6: twenty two, I'm assuming, and it needed to take place
Speaker 6: in the mid nineties for it to feel believable. To
Speaker 6: go back to the John McNaughton of it all. I
Speaker 6: have a hard time doing anything other than looking at
Speaker 6: this and going, you really like ten Reportrait of a
Speaker 6: serial Killer?
Speaker 2: Huh?
Speaker 6: And that's not a bad thing. Look, imitation is the
Speaker 6: sincerest form of flattery. But Michael Rooker, this guy is not.
Speaker 6: This script is not as well written as the Henry
Speaker 6: Portrait of a.
Speaker 1: Serial Killer script.
Speaker 6: And to Father Malone's other point, and this, I think,
Speaker 6: for me is the biggest sin of the movie is
Speaker 6: it is so poorly pied. It is just beyond strangely paced.
Speaker 6: The episodic nature of the movie could have worked in
Speaker 6: its favor, and instead of working in its favor, it
Speaker 6: feels like by it being episodic in those episodic things
Speaker 6: really not having a whole lot interesting within them, it
Speaker 6: kind of highlights even more for me how slow the
Speaker 6: movie is.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't say I liked it or it is like that.
Speaker 1: I can understand it. This movie is four.
Speaker 6: I just don't think it's per se for me, because
Speaker 6: there are other movies like this one that I've seen
Speaker 6: that do a better job. So That's where I'm coming
Speaker 6: at it from initially. And yes, this was a first
Speaker 6: time watch.
Speaker 2: So why the mid nineties. Why do you think this
Speaker 2: would have worked better have it either been set or
Speaker 2: came out in the nineties, And which do you think
Speaker 2: would have been better?
Speaker 7: As it is now thirty years later in the fucking
Speaker 7: g loot of serial killer entertainment that continues to this day,
Speaker 7: just in proliferation in every direction. It's if you're coming
Speaker 7: at us with a new serial killer feature, it has
Speaker 7: to have an innovation, and this has no inna.
Speaker 6: It is approaching the most basic of basic stories in
Speaker 6: terms of convoy or highway serial killers. Right, this is
Speaker 6: just a guy going around killing women. For some we
Speaker 6: know his purpose, but in the reality of a world
Speaker 6: we wouldn't know his purpose. But because it's a movie,
Speaker 6: we understand what his purpose is. But it's like the
Speaker 6: most basic of serial killer stories. Especially when we're talking
Speaker 6: about if we were to sit here for five minutes
Speaker 6: and brainstorm a serial killer trucker, this guy is like
Speaker 6: the most basic common denominator.
Speaker 1: Creepy, older white guy, balding.
Speaker 6: On top, where's a trucker hat, where's plaid, has a
Speaker 6: knife on his side. It's very stereotypical, which is not
Speaker 6: a bad thing. I just don't think to Father Malone's point,
Speaker 6: at this point, you can get away with resting your
Speaker 6: laurels on just the most obvious of choices. It feels
Speaker 6: like a lot of obvious choices are being made, and
Speaker 6: you can make obvious choices.
Speaker 1: It's like going to a restaurant that makes one thing.
Speaker 6: If they make one thing and they do it really well,
Speaker 6: nobody fucking cares that they only have one thing on
Speaker 6: the menu. But if you're not doing it to the
Speaker 6: best of your ability, it is pretty obvious that you're
Speaker 6: not swinging with the most power. And I think, yeah,
Speaker 6: I just it's not they're not initially on the face
Speaker 6: of it, they're not doing enough with the premise, just
Speaker 6: on the face of it.
Speaker 1: What about you, Mike, what did you use it?
Speaker 2: I think I liked it a lot more than you
Speaker 2: guys did. Yeah, there's way too much karaoke, and especially
Speaker 2: very poorly sung karaoke. And I understand that with Taco Tuesday,
Speaker 2: that's supposed to be a joke because apparently that guy's
Speaker 2: the lead singer and slip knot.
Speaker 1: There is Corey Taylor slipping on.
Speaker 2: You could hold a gun against my head and tell
Speaker 2: me to name one slipknot song, and I would get
Speaker 2: a bullet between my eyes because I have no idea.
Speaker 2: They're the guys that wear masks, right yep.
Speaker 6: In his case in this movie, he wears a fucking
Speaker 6: hilariously bad wig.
Speaker 2: And I didn't mind that, and I didn't mind his
Speaker 2: whole embarrassment over throwing a fit about wanting tacos when
Speaker 2: it wasn't Taco Tuesday. So it reminds me when it
Speaker 2: comes to the other truckers in some of those scenes,
Speaker 2: it reminds me a little bit of taxi driver, especially
Speaker 2: the whole thing like one person's two persons, three persons.
Speaker 2: Harry northup talking about the bathtub that allegedly belonged to
Speaker 2: one of my Errol Flynn, Right, what's Aerol Finny? I
Speaker 2: think was Aerol Flynn? That I thought was okay. I
Speaker 2: like how the Taco Tuesdays learning how to knit and
Speaker 2: that our main guy Rucker is a big knitter and
Speaker 2: just always working with stuff. And I like the revelations
Speaker 2: of the different information as far as we are starting
Speaker 2: this movie as a documentary, but then eventually we see
Speaker 2: the filmmaker and then we see him killing people, and
Speaker 2: then she sees him killing people, and then it's this
Speaker 2: whole Oh, not only is she not going to run
Speaker 2: away in terror, but she's into.
Speaker 1: It and she's his daughter, right, she's got.
Speaker 2: To be his daughter. I don't know if they pretty
Speaker 2: much say that, even though I think some of those
Speaker 2: reviews that I was reading there was like, oh, she
Speaker 2: might be his daughter. I'm like, her fucking handle is
Speaker 2: daddy's girl. And all of these memories are basically, oh, Daddy,
Speaker 2: you left and you were driving a truck and here
Speaker 2: I am. I'm like, if this isn't your father, I would.
Speaker 7: Be very surprised when he kills himself spoilers. She says, daddy, no,
Speaker 7: So that's obviously that's her father. I don't know why
Speaker 7: they as soon as she was cool with the killing,
Speaker 7: and as soon as we started getting letters from home,
Speaker 7: it was really obvious that's her.
Speaker 1: Guess.
Speaker 6: I was more implying, is there incest in this moviie?
Speaker 7: Then I don't think so, it's I don't know, maybe not.
Speaker 7: They wake up the next day and they're in bed together.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's implied the way a lot of the other
Speaker 6: stuff and this movie's implied.
Speaker 7: Yeah, But for a movie that has multiple throat slashings.
Speaker 7: It's not real big on subtlety, so I think they
Speaker 7: would have been more explicit had they done that. But
Speaker 7: I did want to say one thing, which is, as
Speaker 7: much as this movie reminded me of Henry, Portrait of
Speaker 7: a Serial Killer also reminded me of that Belgian film
Speaker 7: Man Bites Dog from the mid nineties. See that's exactly it.
Speaker 7: And that film is a faux documentary where they're following
Speaker 7: a serial killer and they eventually documentary through eventually starts
Speaker 7: participating in the murders. And it was horrifying and I
Speaker 7: found it nearly impossible to get through, and I thought
Speaker 7: it was an achievement as far as a portrait of
Speaker 7: serial killing and an indictment of sort of media. So
Speaker 7: that only speaks again to that sort of thirty year gap,
Speaker 7: the novelty of it after those two movies thirty years ago,
Speaker 7: I didn't know what I was supposed to draw from
Speaker 7: this movie. But I will say those animated sequences, they
Speaker 7: were very effective. Something about a lonely child makes me
Speaker 7: want to crawl under a rock.
Speaker 2: It's so affecting.
Speaker 7: And don't know if that was them or me, but
Speaker 7: they certainly brought it out of me. So I want
Speaker 7: to give them kudos for those sequences because they really
Speaker 7: those hit home.
Speaker 2: I totally agree about Man Bites Dog and it just
Speaker 2: that movie gives me the hebgb's, and kind of Reporter
Speaker 2: of a serial Killer definitely gives me hebgb's as well,
Speaker 2: because of just the randomness of the violence sometimes, like
Speaker 2: the whole thing of them pretending that their car was
Speaker 2: broken down so they could murder somebody that comes to
Speaker 2: help them, Like, oh, that is so terrifying to me
Speaker 2: that you would try to help somebody out and they
Speaker 2: just started there to murder you. And there were several
Speaker 2: other things in that movie. I mean, do I laugh
Speaker 2: when he talks about being dressed up in little girl
Speaker 2: clothes and stuff? Yes? I laugh every single time in
Speaker 2: Henry Porter of a serial Killer when that comes up.
Speaker 2: But otherwise it's a really fucking creepy film. And I
Speaker 2: didn't really feel that creeped out by this one. The
Speaker 2: level of criminality feels very like an episode of Criminal
Speaker 2: Minds or sv You or something.
Speaker 7: I just never felt anything visceral as far as the
Speaker 7: murder's going on. I'm as much as a horror round
Speaker 7: as I am if you can create an effect where
Speaker 7: it looks like real blood from a real wound, it
Speaker 7: will skeeze me out to the point where I look
Speaker 7: away at this point in my life. So I didn't
Speaker 7: get like even in a scintilla of that here. It
Speaker 7: was just like wrote and that was the point that
Speaker 7: they're so desensitized, so we should be so desensitized. Then
Speaker 7: I think we just needed to relate more to the
Speaker 7: characters or something. I'm just looking for some emotional theft
Speaker 7: from the movie, and I'm not getting it from the violence.
Speaker 7: So I wanted to get it from the characters because
Speaker 7: we're supposed to relate to them more, and I just
Speaker 7: couldn't relate to him because he's such a fucking weirdo.
Speaker 7: And then she basically says nothing.
Speaker 6: That for me the framing device of the movie having
Speaker 6: it started as a documentary. And then yes, she yeah,
Speaker 6: she takes part in it towards the end, again reluctantly,
Speaker 6: at least in the one thing that we see, the
Speaker 6: one murder that we see her doing, other than the
Speaker 6: kind of when we see at the end of the movie.
Speaker 6: But I didn't feel like there was enough. And this
Speaker 6: is gonna sound weird, but and again, I think it
Speaker 6: goes to the visceral nature of what you're talking.
Speaker 1: About Father Malone.
Speaker 6: Like when I watch Henry Portrait of a Serial Killer
Speaker 6: or even Texas Chainsaw Massacred want to take a shower
Speaker 6: after him done. There's a grit and a grime to
Speaker 6: the movie. The movie makes me feel gross, and there's
Speaker 6: none of that here. And look, I understand that some
Speaker 6: of his oh he's a very neat killer and oh
Speaker 6: he like everything in a specific place, and I get it.
Speaker 6: I get that they were going for that. And also
Speaker 6: in at Mike, I don't know if you've ever watched Dexter,
Speaker 6: I know Father Malone you have, but like in a
Speaker 6: like Dexter of it all, there's a little bit of
Speaker 6: Dexter here with this as well, where it's like he's
Speaker 6: a very neat killer and he has he like he
Speaker 6: has to stick to the plan and he has to oh,
Speaker 6: he can't use this knife on this person, only this
Speaker 6: that there's like these arbitrary rules that he follows.
Speaker 1: In having a character with arbitrary rules.
Speaker 6: That he's following, it does not hit as hard because
Speaker 6: there is the lack of randomness, isn't there, Like you
Speaker 6: mentioned Mike with Henry Portrait of a serial Killer. Yeah,
Speaker 6: the most terrifying serial killer stories are, Oh, this family
Speaker 6: was stopped at a gas station.
Speaker 1: These two dudes.
Speaker 6: Followed them home and killed all of them in their house. Yeah,
Speaker 6: that's pretty horrifying. Like you drew the shittiest card on
Speaker 6: the shittiest day of your life and it fucking really
Speaker 6: did not pay off for you. And when you have
Speaker 6: a serial killer who we effectively understand is not going
Speaker 6: to just go murder anybody and everybody, it just sucks
Speaker 6: the stakes out of the movie. I'm not saying, oh,
Speaker 6: it's just women that he's murdering, but like, in this
Speaker 6: movie's kind of twisted and warped sense, it is just
Speaker 6: women that he's murdering. That's the way the movie kind
Speaker 6: of wants us to internalize it. And I wanted more
Speaker 6: of what makes movies like Chainsaw, Massacre and Henry's such
Speaker 6: visceral experiences, which is, like you said, Mike, the randomness
Speaker 6: of it all being a factor, not this, Oh he's
Speaker 6: so meticulous, I don't care. We've seen this a million
Speaker 6: times before too. Now, better things in better ways. And
Speaker 6: maybe if it had been like Texas Chainsaw Massacre. We
Speaker 6: would have been like, this is so similar to other things.
Speaker 6: But there aren't enough things like those things out there.
Speaker 6: There should be more kind of things that give you
Speaker 6: the big ick when you watch it. And that's hard
Speaker 6: in this day and age to do that. It really is,
Speaker 6: especially in twenty twenty four, when any asshole can go
Speaker 6: pick up a camera and put it through some post
Speaker 6: pro effects to make shit looks scuzzy and gross. Anybody
Speaker 6: can do that now, but when you actually do it,
Speaker 6: it can make an impact. This is a movie that
Speaker 6: was made that was released that as real people in it.
Speaker 6: It needs a little layer of something, some nastiness. They'll
Speaker 6: make it look so nice, looks too well shot.
Speaker 7: Come on, it is very clean, and the whole dexterness
Speaker 7: of it all. I hadn't even thought about that, Chris.
Speaker 7: The fact that we got nine season of Dexter and
Speaker 7: then a reboot and now a new series is on
Speaker 7: the way.
Speaker 2: Just once again.
Speaker 7: I know I'm echoing my own self here about the
Speaker 7: overload of serial killers we've had in the last quarter century,
Speaker 7: but it certainly feels that way, and I don't see
Speaker 7: the point of the movie in that regard. Think about
Speaker 7: that visceral kind of thing that you're talking about, Chris,
Speaker 7: like the ick factor, Like, if they're going to not
Speaker 7: do the ick factor, then could they maybe have transferred
Speaker 7: some of the sadness of the lonely child onto the
Speaker 7: character we're seeing. Maybe Perr and her father could have
Speaker 7: had a conversation about that that if I'm just going
Speaker 7: to follow them and I'm not gonna I'm gonna ignore
Speaker 7: violence whatsoever, give me some sort of emotional violence going
Speaker 7: on between them.
Speaker 2: When you brought up the nineties, Chris, I was wondering
Speaker 2: if you were talking about that what I consider golden
Speaker 2: age of serial killer films, where it was Natural Born
Speaker 2: Killers and seven and Silia which one Silence of the Lambs,
Speaker 2: Silence and Lambs. Yeah, Millennium with Frank Black, not the singer,
Speaker 2: but the other person Aliance Hendrickson. Yeah, that was a
Speaker 2: time where it was almost like zombie films in the
Speaker 2: early two thousands, where we were just getting a new
Speaker 2: serial killer movie, you felt like all the time. And
Speaker 2: then there were also like, Hey, let's do the Dahmer film,
Speaker 2: and let's do the John Wayne Gacy film, and just
Speaker 2: all of these things that we're coming out to like
Speaker 2: straight to video where it's like, all right, yeah, more
Speaker 2: of this stuff. That was even back when was it
Speaker 2: Jeremy Renner being.
Speaker 7: Yeah, maybe Alex Cross movie yea, and yeah you Kiss
Speaker 7: the Girls or.
Speaker 2: Copy cat Yeah, hey, I'll tell you one that's close
Speaker 2: to this as well. And this was earlier though, was
Speaker 2: the Hitcher, the Rudger Hower film apples and arnor to the.
Speaker 6: Extreme, look the idea of what would happen if we
Speaker 6: had a camera crew with a serial killer? Even that
Speaker 6: idea this point, I feel like behind the mask the
Speaker 6: Leslie Vernon story has come out already that for me
Speaker 6: is a pretty high barred across. That's a pretty good
Speaker 6: one in terms of this kind of thing. And I
Speaker 6: guess the other thing and again to go back to
Speaker 6: the framing device of it all, because this is something
Speaker 6: I don't understand and I'm trying to figure out maybe
Speaker 6: if y'all have a better sense of this. Why is
Speaker 6: he having the women that he's going to kill in
Speaker 6: these interview portions before? I didn't understand what is that
Speaker 6: getting out? Did he know these women ahead of time?
Speaker 6: Has even dating these women? I didn't understand that because
Speaker 6: some of the women seem to know him, and some
Speaker 6: of the women don't.
Speaker 7: Yeah, they seem to be mainly from truck stops, which,
Speaker 7: as a serial killer, is a fucking insane thing to
Speaker 7: be doing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Oh, let's murder the people where we go all
Speaker 1: the time.
Speaker 7: I think the rest of the trucker nation would figure
Speaker 7: your shit out almost immediately.
Speaker 2: Yeah, with your it'sious portrait. Yeah, when he goes into
Speaker 2: the one truck stop breastroom and there's all the missing posters,
Speaker 2: it's okay, I'm guessing we're supposed to feel very chilled,
Speaker 2: But it's more what are you doing? Why are you
Speaker 2: taking all these people? And why are they if you're
Speaker 2: taking them from anonymous locations, they wouldn't necessarily all be
Speaker 2: here at the truck stop.
Speaker 7: You don't shit where you eat. No, no, No.
Speaker 1: That's the whole thing with serial killers.
Speaker 6: Rights Like, he's a white male, he only kills within
Speaker 6: his like genetic group. He's only killing white people. Yeah,
Speaker 6: and he's only killing him at truck stops too. Who
Speaker 6: could this guy be a white mid fifties trucker.
Speaker 7: Oh No, I would have liked one scene at a
Speaker 7: Polluvivi station where a character is drawing on the map
Speaker 7: and he've drawn us the portrait. He goes, hey, sorry,
Speaker 7: so look at this. He goes get the get at
Speaker 7: it and rips it up.
Speaker 1: I do like that.
Speaker 6: We get again, like to traffic in some things that
Speaker 6: feel very like eighties and nineties, like the satanic panic
Speaker 6: of it. All right, if you look at the way
Speaker 6: these murders make it, it could.
Speaker 1: Triangle on the thing. It's anotherwise it's a pentagram. Oh
Speaker 1: my god.
Speaker 6: I will say this is the first time in a
Speaker 6: while I've seen a movie do that thing where it's like, oh,
Speaker 6: we're going to make a portrait with all of the kills.
Speaker 6: And that is the one kind of takeaway here that
Speaker 6: I was like, oh, okay, that's cute again, like when
Speaker 6: you look at what it is, though it is over
Speaker 6: the state of Washington, which definitely doesn't have mountains or anything.
Speaker 1: The state of Washington is a huge place, but.
Speaker 2: Hey, Washington and has tons of mountains. If I don't
Speaker 2: know if you're being serious or that.
Speaker 6: No I am, But it's like it's funny because there
Speaker 6: are places where I don't think you could go there.
Speaker 2: Yeah I don't.
Speaker 6: I think you're right, but not Yeah, they're like you're
Speaker 6: like on top of a mountain.
Speaker 1: Here is my point. It's a little hokey and again
Speaker 1: meth forest.
Speaker 7: And I know they shot this movie in like Bremerton
Speaker 7: and Oregon, which I spent a ton of time in
Speaker 7: the Pacific Northwest, so I actually recognized quite a few
Speaker 7: of the locations here. But yeah, like Washington State is
Speaker 7: the unofficial serial killer capital of America, those forests are
Speaker 7: filled with bodies. But yeah, topographically, geographically speaking, I don't
Speaker 7: think you could reach some of those places. Those mountains
Speaker 7: are fucking enormous. That whole pass you gotta drive through
Speaker 7: any way to Spokane, no waste, no quality and all that.
Speaker 1: No fucking yeah, no function way.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 6: Oh that's what I was like looking at it. It
Speaker 6: was like, this is Washington State. You're not going to
Speaker 6: this is some of these fucking areas. Give me a break.
Speaker 6: But I again, I will say though, ultimately, if you
Speaker 6: have this kind of premise and this kind of movie,
Speaker 6: you do need an actor to carry the movie. And
Speaker 6: to Father Malone's point, the main actor is pretty good.
Speaker 6: I think if you're having someone who hasn't isn't imminently
Speaker 6: recognizable to everybody, even us who's been in he's been
Speaker 6: in stuff, but he's not jumping out in any one
Speaker 6: of us. I think immediately, I think that kind of
Speaker 6: works in the movie's favor. Give him a little bit
Speaker 6: of anonymity, because he does it again, it's oh, this
Speaker 6: is a Ted Bundy effect, right, like, oh, he's such
Speaker 6: a good looking guy.
Speaker 1: Now you just need a dude.
Speaker 6: And Bobby C. King is just a dude. And when
Speaker 6: he puts a hat on, he looks more like just
Speaker 6: a dude. I thought he was great even today.
Speaker 2: I saw the cast list for the next season of
Speaker 2: Black Mirror, and I was like, these are all well
Speaker 2: known named celebrities, So unless we're playing with their public persona,
Speaker 2: why are you casting really well known people inside of
Speaker 2: this story should be more. I can't say he's anonymous,
Speaker 2: like you said. He has been in a bunch of stuff.
Speaker 2: Same thing with the main female character, but I don't
Speaker 2: know them by sight, and I thought that they both
Speaker 2: really turn into good performance.
Speaker 7: Yeah, there is a power to the anonymity of somebody
Speaker 7: like to detegrate anything they've done before. But this is
Speaker 7: certainly the first time I've seen any of them, and
Speaker 7: I was knocked out by his performance as bored as
Speaker 7: I was through stretches of this movie. It was never
Speaker 7: because of him. I found him to be fascinating. I
Speaker 7: thought he brought more.
Speaker 2: To the role than.
Speaker 7: Those little all those little moments of the fastidiousness. Sometimes
Speaker 7: you can see it click in his head where he's
Speaker 7: going a little bit off. I really love when you
Speaker 7: can see an actor do that.
Speaker 6: No, I completely agree, he's he is the him and
Speaker 6: the other actress, the one that plays his daughter. They're
Speaker 6: the best parts of the movie one hundred percent, and
Speaker 6: the back and forth between them. I wish that there
Speaker 6: was more. I understand why there's not, because half of
Speaker 6: the movie it has to get to the point where
Speaker 6: we realize what's going on.
Speaker 1: But the two of them are fantastic. That's that's the thing.
Speaker 1: It's in a lot of ways.
Speaker 6: I think where I'm coming at this movie from is
Speaker 6: actually not that I wanted to like this movie, but
Speaker 6: I was really intrigued by the idea of this movie.
Speaker 1: It's just it didn't.
Speaker 6: Again, it's not doing enough with these performances to really
Speaker 6: give any other movie that's done something similar a reason
Speaker 6: to not just watch those And that's the thing. This
Speaker 6: is gonna This is for a very specific group of
Speaker 6: people now this kind of movie, and like those people
Speaker 6: are watching these other things already.
Speaker 1: And that's the thing.
Speaker 6: It's unfortunate because the performances are so good. He really
Speaker 6: is great. He isn't pretty understated again, like it's not.
Speaker 6: It's about as understated as Michael Rooker is. Frankly, it's
Speaker 6: probably even more understated than Michael Rooker. Michael Rooker goes
Speaker 6: off and Henry Portrait of a serial killer more than he.
Speaker 1: Ever really gets to.
Speaker 6: But that's okay, Like it's again, you get the sense
Speaker 6: that there is more going on, we just don't get
Speaker 6: to see it. We're forty eight people in who were
Speaker 6: one receive five or six people killed as a book
Speaker 6: of forty eight or whatever the numbers at eventually towards
Speaker 6: at the beginning of the movies.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and he's been doing this, what'd they say, thirty
Speaker 2: years or something. But yeah, I like this as an
Speaker 2: examination of trauma and the familial trauma, and especially like
Speaker 2: you were saying, find them alone. The whole idea of
Speaker 2: the kid, the lonely kid and who doesn't understand anything.
Speaker 2: The first letter that he reads, she loses a tooth
Speaker 2: and she thinks she's going to bleed to death or
Speaker 2: lose them all immediately, and has nobody there to explain
Speaker 2: stuff to her, and just feels like she's completely alone
Speaker 2: in the world. And then her mom's no help whatsoever.
Speaker 2: And then we see the little girl in the story part,
Speaker 2: in the animated part, murdering her mother, and then we
Speaker 2: get that again later when we see her actually smother
Speaker 2: her mother.
Speaker 7: Just your description of it right then, Mike was fucking
Speaker 7: breaking my heart.
Speaker 2: Honestly. Yeah, all of those little flashbacks that we have
Speaker 2: just really do it for me. And I didn't think
Speaker 2: it was going to work at first when I was like, oh,
Speaker 2: we're doing animation now, and it's really crude and computer animated,
Speaker 2: but every single sequence works and it just gives us
Speaker 2: a little bit more story as we go along. I
Speaker 2: like these little flashbacks that we get throughout here. I
Speaker 2: mentioned Taco Tuesday with his flashback. But then we get
Speaker 2: the redheaded woman that we see at the beginning of
Speaker 2: the film, and there's a moment in here around probably
Speaker 2: about half an hour in where it might be her,
Speaker 2: the redheaded woman, trying to denegrate him and then him
Speaker 2: murdering her. And then also that's right after some animated stuff,
Speaker 2: so I'm like, oh, okay, that's interesting. That's probably the
Speaker 2: only real effective murder for me is where he actually
Speaker 2: gets mad at her. Be the animation.
Speaker 7: I just want to say once again it's probably my
Speaker 7: favorite part of the movie. But in particular, I have
Speaker 7: a real big pet peeve, and of course I lived
Speaker 7: with an artist for many years and this was her
Speaker 7: pet peeve as well. When you have a child's drawing
Speaker 7: in a movie and it's clearly an adult drawing and
Speaker 7: a child style, you can always tell here looked like
Speaker 7: a kid drew it, So big props to whoever did
Speaker 7: the animation.
Speaker 2: What.
Speaker 6: I also really like the child actor that they had
Speaker 6: to do the voice in those segments, because that's also,
Speaker 6: I mean, look as effective as the animation style, as
Speaker 6: the child actress to carry most of the emotion, because
Speaker 6: again it is animated, and I think that they got
Speaker 6: it because it could have come off as pretty maudlin.
Speaker 6: And I think it strikes the right tone between being
Speaker 6: sad but also not being like again, saccharin or like again,
Speaker 6: because like, we get it, like it's sad enough as
Speaker 6: it is, we don't have to like. And then my
Speaker 6: dog died and then my Mom died is like, you
Speaker 6: don't need to hammer it home, and the movie doesn't.
Speaker 6: It's a little restrained, thankfully. Yeah, those segments caught me
Speaker 6: off guard as well. It's weird to watch a movie
Speaker 6: kind of change mediums and it's just a complete out
Speaker 6: like Left Turn. So it's I appreciate it. There aren't
Speaker 6: a lot of directors doing that. It's an interesting choice.
Speaker 6: It's a bold choice, let's put it that way.
Speaker 2: And I can't remember when Dinner for Schmucks came out,
Speaker 2: but that might have beaten them to the punch with
Speaker 2: all of the mice stuffed and dressed up and clothes
Speaker 2: that are on his truck dashboard there too.
Speaker 1: Now this was post that.
Speaker 2: Okay, so they took from Dinner for Schmucks.
Speaker 1: And okay, yeah that was I'm glad you pointed that out.
Speaker 7: Might be Yeah, I'm like every other piece of entertainment
Speaker 7: since Dinner for Schmucks.
Speaker 2: Get it to that film. Let's face it exactly. It's
Speaker 2: a Dinner for Schmucks world. We just live in it.
Speaker 6: Steve Carell and Paul Rudd, everybody there are true gods.
Speaker 6: Is like there are wild stallions, sees pray at the
Speaker 6: feet of Dinner for Schmucks Afi cinema classic, damn straight.
Speaker 6: I will say it actually for me, as you guys
Speaker 6: have already talked about Taco Tuesday, I will say, it's
Speaker 6: very distracting to have Corey Taylor in your movie.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry.
Speaker 6: Like, for me, it was I know that's the thing,
Speaker 6: I get it, But for me, it was distracting because
Speaker 6: I'm like, oh, it's Corey Taylor, lead singer from Slipknot,
Speaker 6: and I guarantee you they're gonna have him singing poorly
Speaker 6: at some point in the movie, and then they did.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 6: For me, it took me out of the movie because
Speaker 6: it's clearly Corey Taylor in a wig and they have
Speaker 6: him in a scene where it's like, again, real truckers
Speaker 6: are not those other truckers are more believable truckers than
Speaker 6: Corey Taylor is. And he looks so silly if you
Speaker 6: know what he looks like for real, then is always
Speaker 6: wearing a fucking wig. And I know that those people
Speaker 6: in that scene are actors, they're not real truckers, but
Speaker 6: they seem more like truckers than he does. And for
Speaker 6: someone who knows who he was, it's the man. This
Speaker 6: is a little distracting. As good of a performance as
Speaker 6: he gives, it is distracting. And he being in that
Speaker 6: karaoke scene. Every time they come back to him, I'm
Speaker 6: like Corey Taylor in a bar doing karaoke.
Speaker 1: It's a little on the nows.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 7: I liked his performance, and I was not distracted so much.
Speaker 7: When he first came on screen. I was like, oh fuck,
Speaker 7: that's Corey Taylor, and then I just got into it.
Speaker 7: But I can see what you're saying. If David Bowie
Speaker 7: had suddenly wandered onto screen, and I'd be like, what
Speaker 7: the fuck David?
Speaker 1: Everybody, what do you do? And then they're gonna make
Speaker 1: him sing too, and he's gonna sing poorly.
Speaker 2: Of course, Funny Little Man, Early Little Fat Man.
Speaker 6: The only thing that would have been better is that
Speaker 6: they would have had Corey Taylor singing slip, not poorly.
Speaker 6: Then it would have been like, oh, okay, then it's really.
Speaker 2: On the nose.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: The Seasons in the Sun goes on for way too long,
Speaker 2: and it is just so off key that it really
Speaker 2: hurts to watch that part of it.
Speaker 7: About that, I'm sorry this movie echoed so many previous
Speaker 7: forms of entertainment, but Millennium. The TV series Millennium had
Speaker 7: a series where a serial killer, a doctor Kravorkian time
Speaker 7: would send everyone off to their death while singing Seasons
Speaker 7: of the Sun to them.
Speaker 2: Really, yeah, wow, I probably should go back and try
Speaker 2: to watch that because I've never watched that one. I
Speaker 2: just remember the Frank Black episodes of X Files nex Files. Yeah.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I'm actually due for a rewatch myself.
Speaker 2: The Milaium.
Speaker 1: That's a one season show, know it is it?
Speaker 7: No, it's a three season show, but you really only
Speaker 7: need the first two and really only need the second one.
Speaker 6: Good to know there's always spare time in somebody's back pocket.
Speaker 6: I'm sure for a Millennium me, not you, not Mike,
Speaker 6: but somebody, somebody. I didn't volunteer any one of us
Speaker 6: for that shit. Someone else can do that for once.
Speaker 6: We can just listen to there you go.
Speaker 7: Oh the croshetying. I just wanted to say, Mike, because
Speaker 7: you mentioned it earlier, the Creuschang. Nice touch.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was a good portion of screenplay.
Speaker 7: That's a nice bit of observed behavior, because yes, people
Speaker 7: out on the road need fucking shit to distract them.
Speaker 2: That rung true for me. But I also liked that
Speaker 2: he's an artist. He's creating his art through both the
Speaker 2: killings as well as the crochet. And I was surprised
Speaker 2: when Taco Tuesdays, Oh yeah, I'm learning from the master,
Speaker 2: and I'd like that it gives them a little wink
Speaker 2: at that point, I'm learning from the master. You better
Speaker 2: watch out. And I was like, oh, man, he's going
Speaker 2: to murder this guy because he's getting too good at knittings.
Speaker 7: I was hoping he'd be that kind of serial killer, really,
Speaker 7: the cruicheting killer that hook.
Speaker 2: Oh there you go to the eye and then he
Speaker 2: uses the N trail.
Speaker 1: Yeah, n one.
Speaker 2: He's knitting a huge quilt made out of intestines.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, what do you see?
Speaker 2: Will I go watch that movie.
Speaker 1: I would just imagine that from Hannibal. That's just from
Speaker 1: that NBC Handibal.
Speaker 4: What do you see?
Speaker 6: Right?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's what they would have done these Yeah. Can
Speaker 6: we say though, and this is something that I will say.
Speaker 6: I don't know if I stand alone in this, but
Speaker 6: the title of the.
Speaker 7: Movie, oof, whoa Wolf? Indeed, what a terrible fucking title.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry.
Speaker 7: Maybe if it had been the hant thing with the
Speaker 7: T and the parentheses Trucker rucker Maybe.
Speaker 2: I don't know. When I saw the.
Speaker 7: Trailer for this movie, it was called Rucker of the Trucker.
Speaker 7: But is it called rucker? Is it just Rocker of
Speaker 7: the Truck?
Speaker 6: I don't know.
Speaker 2: I think it's the way. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the title for the movies, it's off Pudding.
Speaker 6: I like that they had to try to incorporate it
Speaker 6: into the movie, but it's just not a great title.
Speaker 6: Unfortunlley doesn't get the point of the movie across, that's
Speaker 6: for sure.
Speaker 7: Henry ordered The Serial Killer. I wonder what that's about.
Speaker 2: Every time I see the poster for it. It doesn't
Speaker 2: necessarily look like Bobby King to me. I always think
Speaker 2: that it's like Tyler the bean with the knife and
Speaker 2: the thing. I don't know, he just looks like what
Speaker 2: Tucker from. Maybe that's what I'm getting Daleen Tucker versus Evil.
Speaker 1: Maybe he looks like a little older Sean Patrick Flannery.
Speaker 2: I could see that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Bobby C. King looks like Sean Patrick Flannery too.
Speaker 6: In the right light.
Speaker 7: Oh right, he can play his dad real easily.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Or what's that other actor, the one from Tokyo Drift.
Speaker 2: Oh, oh that rube. Oh yeah, the Rube.
Speaker 6: I forget what that actor's name is. He like the
Speaker 6: young child in X Files, Bite the Future. They have
Speaker 6: very similar facial features. But yeah, that the poster with
Speaker 6: him with the knife like the on there. I don't
Speaker 6: understand they have the thing in the hat in the movie.
Speaker 6: It's like obvious choice.
Speaker 1: Does that take it?
Speaker 2: I wouldn't think so.
Speaker 7: All that's left was rucker. Evidently, I guess so.
Speaker 2: I didn't realize that the guy that played the rube
Speaker 2: was also the young kid in sling Plate. Speaking of
Speaker 2: serial killer films from the nineties, right, yeah, the rube
Speaker 2: looking at me? What you look like with you? Good bag?
Speaker 2: And yeah, everywhere we look.
Speaker 6: That actor's name, by the way, is Lucas Black, who
Speaker 6: definitely whisposed to play a teenager in Tokyo Drift but
Speaker 6: definitely wasn't an adult.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but yeah, he looks like Bobby C. King and
Speaker 1: also Sean.
Speaker 7: Patrick Flanner future didn't he he did?
Speaker 1: He turned into an alien.
Speaker 2: He fought it. Yeah, all right, we're gonna take a
Speaker 2: break and play an interview with the director of Rutger
Speaker 2: Amy Hesketh. Right after these brief mestiges.
Speaker 8: You obviously love podcasts, but are you also a fan
Speaker 8: of movies and into television. Do you want to listen
Speaker 8: to a show that reviews entertainment honestly and cast pretentiousness
Speaker 8: to the wind, that debates both film and TV topics
Speaker 8: in a fun, good spirited way while still getting to
Speaker 8: the heart of why we all love them so much.
Speaker 8: Then don't miss the award winning weekly podcast, The Hollywood Outsider,
Speaker 8: now available on your favorite podcast app or at the
Speaker 8: Hollywood Outsider dot com.
Speaker 2: Tell me a little bit about your story and how
Speaker 2: you got into filmmaking.
Speaker 4: I got into film originally. I was when I was
Speaker 4: living in France. My marginally got into film. And then
Speaker 4: I was working as a PA when I was in Boston,
Speaker 4: briefly running film down to Douart in New York.
Speaker 1: That was a job.
Speaker 4: It was awesome and Duart was so nice to pas
Speaker 4: who did this kind of thing, and they would let
Speaker 4: you sleep on the sofas and give you food and say, oh, hey,
Speaker 4: there's this famous directors like looking at dailies. You want
Speaker 4: to go sneak into the back of the screening room
Speaker 4: and take a look at it. It was just a
Speaker 4: very wonderful kind of introduction to film. And then I
Speaker 4: moved to Bolivia in two thousand and five and I
Speaker 4: lived there for ten years. I made a large body
Speaker 4: of work there, both as a director and producer. I
Speaker 4: acted in a lot of films and it was my
Speaker 4: first film. Ten years later, the government gave me an
Speaker 4: award for starting the Bolivian New Wave, particularly with my
Speaker 4: film Sir Whin Yaku, because it was just a breakthrough
Speaker 4: indie film that pioneered. It kind of enabled other young
Speaker 4: filmmakers at the time to really think that, oh, I
Speaker 4: can make films, I can make genre films, I can
Speaker 4: make the film that I want to make. I don't
Speaker 4: have to make the idiosyncratic Bolivian film that was privileged
Speaker 4: at that time. And it ran in theaters for six
Speaker 4: months I think, and it was really popular, very polemic.
Speaker 4: I got a lot of really amazing press and really
Speaker 4: scathing press when it was like really always those it
Speaker 4: was either a five or zero, it's never anything in between.
Speaker 4: It was like rough was my first film, and then
Speaker 4: I went on to make a bunch of other films,
Speaker 4: and in two thousand and sixteen I moved back to
Speaker 4: the States, and I had met my now spouse, Aaron Drayne,
Speaker 4: at a film festival in Mexico City where we each
Speaker 4: had a film. I had my film Olalia there. It's
Speaker 4: called Ferretum in Telbahaua, Mexico, is a wonderful festival, and
Speaker 4: he had fear clinic there and we met and fell
Speaker 4: in love and had to figure it out because I
Speaker 4: was living in Bolivia and he was living in Los Angeles,
Speaker 4: and I didn't really like Los Angeles, and so we
Speaker 4: figured it out. At the same time, we're contacted by
Speaker 4: the college up here, Olympic College, and Tim Hagan said, Hey,
Speaker 4: do you want to start before your program here in film?
Speaker 1: And we did.
Speaker 4: We went for it and moved to Bremerton and Atport
Speaker 4: Townsend and created a film school and it's the lowest
Speaker 4: costing film school in the nation and we're really happy
Speaker 4: to be serving students through that now and I'm the
Speaker 4: coordinator of the program at present. That's been a crazy ride.
Speaker 2: Why Bolivia.
Speaker 4: Oh So I went there to visit a friend who
Speaker 4: was working down there and doing like worked for a
Speaker 4: not for profit down there, and I liked it. I
Speaker 4: saw a flyer in this Cassee and it was a
Speaker 4: casting flyer asking for pas things like that for a
Speaker 4: Docky drama called Outbreak for National Geographic. I called him
Speaker 4: up and met my producing partner there, Jack Avila, and
Speaker 4: I was cast and did this Docky drama, and then
Speaker 4: I went to a film festival where his film Martyr
Speaker 4: or the Death of Santaleli was playing in a rurrow
Speaker 4: and met a bunch of people who really wanted to
Speaker 4: make solms, but we're not really able at that time.
Speaker 4: And Jack had been living in New York for a
Speaker 4: really long time but was Bolivian, and so I said, hey, like,
Speaker 4: why don't we just partner up and we make tons
Speaker 4: of films and we teach other people how to make
Speaker 4: films and make it possible for all these people who
Speaker 4: want to make films like to do it, and so
Speaker 4: we did it.
Speaker 2: How is it balancing the teaching work with the filmmaking work,
Speaker 2: with the program that you do.
Speaker 4: I think that teaching really fills the well.
Speaker 6: For me.
Speaker 4: I made films exclusively for a long time, and it's wonderful,
Speaker 4: but you get into a little bit of like a
Speaker 4: bubble and fall into I think what some people might
Speaker 4: call o tour theory, but I tend to think that
Speaker 4: it's almost like you're pandering to yourself at a certain
Speaker 4: point when you're just doing that and you're not really
Speaker 4: getting all this outside feedback or expanding your horizons or
Speaker 4: learning new things. And I think the best way to
Speaker 4: learn more is to teach. And I started teaching, and
Speaker 4: it really for me fills the well creatively. I love
Speaker 4: the conversation.
Speaker 7: So we have a love love.
Speaker 4: Love it when my students start getting that bug for
Speaker 4: filmmaking and they really understand that they can actually tell
Speaker 4: their own stories and make these films together and form
Speaker 4: this kind of really amazing community together, and I don't know,
Speaker 4: it makes me feel really good. And then when I
Speaker 4: make films, I often hire and now my own students,
Speaker 4: which we did with Rucker. We had a lot of
Speaker 4: students working with us on that film. So that's when
Speaker 4: you teach. You technically speaking, have summers off it's emails
Speaker 4: and they do the thing. So we often make films
Speaker 4: in the summer. We just wraps on one called a
Speaker 4: short film that we made in conjunction with the Portowndan
Speaker 4: Film Festival called Glampire.
Speaker 2: That's a great title. What's it about?
Speaker 4: Oh, it's about a social media influencer who hunts down
Speaker 4: an ancient vampire and gives them a brand makeover.
Speaker 2: That sounds fantastic. Tell me how did Rucker come up?
Speaker 2: How did the story idea even come to you?
Speaker 6: Oh?
Speaker 4: So it was originally my spouse's idea. There was a
Speaker 4: snowstorm in Bremerton. We were living there at the time,
Speaker 4: and snow doesn't really happen very often up here in
Speaker 4: the PMW, but when it does, it paralyzes everything because
Speaker 4: I think there's one snowplow for the county, and so
Speaker 4: they're like, yeah, you're on the list to get flowed eventually,
Speaker 4: just hang tight for a week or two movements.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And we're snowed in and we had walked down
Speaker 4: to this local pizza place.
Speaker 7: It was open.
Speaker 4: Didn't go have dinner slogging through the snow or gear.
Speaker 4: And he was like, I had this like idea, It
Speaker 4: came to me in a stream, and I've been thinking
Speaker 4: about it. Can I pitch it to you? And I
Speaker 4: was like, yeah, sure, man, full of beer and pizza
Speaker 4: and I'm like, this is a great time to pitch.
Speaker 4: And so we started having this conversation and formed the
Speaker 4: idea of it, and it spoke to me really deeply
Speaker 4: because of the themes of generational trauma. It's just really
Speaker 4: big for me and a lot of my films deal
Speaker 4: with that, and so I figured, Okay, this is my thing.
Speaker 4: I would love to direct this, and so we co
Speaker 4: wrote the screenplay and then jumped right in and made
Speaker 4: the film.
Speaker 2: That's fantastic. When was this? Was this twenty twenty one
Speaker 2: going into twenty twenty two.
Speaker 4: No, it took a little while to come out, okay, Yeah,
Speaker 4: and so I think it was twenty eighteen or nineteen
Speaker 4: something like that. Yeah, And so it was in post
Speaker 4: for a while, and then we didn't release it for
Speaker 4: a little bit, just because it was not the right
Speaker 4: time and people weren't really doing much, so we waited
Speaker 4: a little bit for that.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I love the way that the story changes throughout, but
Speaker 2: especially that it starts off almost man bytes dog type
Speaker 2: of first person interviewing Leaf Rocker and just his whole story,
Speaker 2: and then the moment when it changes you don't really
Speaker 2: expect it. So I really mend you on the storytelling
Speaker 2: ways that you go about it.
Speaker 4: Oh, thank you. Yeah, it took a lot of work
Speaker 4: to try to get an understanding of Okay, I don't
Speaker 4: want to show the protagonist for a while. I want
Speaker 4: us to think that this is more of some kind
Speaker 4: of weird documentary and then to show no, like we're
Speaker 4: entering into the story now. Most of my films are
Speaker 4: like that. They're very meta, and I have these kind
Speaker 4: of concentric circles of stories and I like to reveal
Speaker 4: one at a time, and then maybe we go back
Speaker 4: to one and then those stories together until you have
Speaker 4: this holistic picture because you can't tell wait, is that
Speaker 4: an interview too? It's like what camera are we looking
Speaker 4: through right now?
Speaker 2: Where did the idea? When the animation come from? And
Speaker 2: who did the animation?
Speaker 1: Oh?
Speaker 4: Yeah, and so Dorian Clevenger did the animation. He's out
Speaker 4: of Pennsylvania. And I love working with Dorian. He always
Speaker 4: like really gets it, and he really understood the generational
Speaker 4: trauma theme in this. He totally dug it and some
Speaker 4: of his own animation work speaks to that. And so
Speaker 4: it was just a wonderful fit. And so I started
Speaker 4: sketching these parts of I wanted to have flashbacks, but
Speaker 4: I didn't want to shoot them. And because I figured,
Speaker 4: if this is we have like essentially three cameras almost
Speaker 4: like maybe two, but like one of them is in
Speaker 4: the past with the mother, and what camera would that be?
Speaker 7: It doesn't fit.
Speaker 4: And so I figured, okay, what about these childhood drawings.
Speaker 4: What if we could bring these childhood drawings to lights
Speaker 4: and show this backstory for Maggie through animation, but we
Speaker 4: could also see her, see the style change, and see
Speaker 4: her growing up because she becomes essentially a better artist.
Speaker 2: Tell me about your casting process, because your leads are fantastic.
Speaker 4: Shyanna is a graduate of our program, and she has
Speaker 4: this sense of internalized turmoil that she's really good with
Speaker 4: and I liked working with her. I thought that she
Speaker 4: could do that very well. And Bobby King worked with
Speaker 4: Aaron on his film Fear Clinic, and when we were casting,
Speaker 4: Aaron said, listen, you got to talk to Bobby because
Speaker 4: I really think he would be perfect for this. Andy
Speaker 4: knows how to drive a truck and granted it had
Speaker 4: been a while, so there was some gear grinding.
Speaker 1: But yeah.
Speaker 4: I talked to him on the phone and we talked
Speaker 4: about that and he really got the themes of generational
Speaker 4: trauma and he was like, oh, I can completely understand
Speaker 4: this and some interviews that we shot during and after
Speaker 4: we wrapped, he revealed that he had an estrange daughter
Speaker 4: who he had met pretty recently and he had never
Speaker 4: known about Wow, and so he was trying to create
Speaker 4: this relationship with her, and so it was at perfect subtext.
Speaker 4: I really like that my actors when they're working out
Speaker 4: very deep kinds of issues, because I feel like it
Speaker 4: makes for a stronger film and it makes their nice
Speaker 4: experience for everybody to really get into something very weird
Speaker 4: and strange that doesn't happen in real life, Like we
Speaker 4: don't often get this almost theater to explode our feelings
Speaker 4: and shape them into something else and then give it
Speaker 4: away to other people. And so that was really lovely
Speaker 4: to do with the two of them, and Bobby later
Speaker 4: also in an interview, said that it was like working
Speaker 4: with a psychologist working with me, and I was like,
Speaker 4: I think that's a compliment.
Speaker 2: In the truck, where'd you get the truck run? Do
Speaker 2: you have to rent that?
Speaker 1: Or yeah?
Speaker 4: We did, and it was like partially sponsored by a
Speaker 4: local company who had a moving trucks, and so it
Speaker 4: wasn't that traditional container like there is removing furniture and
Speaker 4: things like that. And so I had these really nice
Speaker 4: floors and everything, and a little bit of this stage
Speaker 4: at the back, which I thought was like perfect for
Speaker 4: if you're gonna murder, you murder on a little platform state.
Speaker 2: Right, I'm saying, how is it working with your husband
Speaker 2: as your screenwriter, to have two filmmakers coming together? That
Speaker 2: could be potentially a little bit of a challenge.
Speaker 4: This was not our first screenplay that we co wrote.
Speaker 4: We've co written a few of them, but this was
Speaker 4: the first that we produced together. And there was a
Speaker 4: learning curve, believe me, when you're co writing and it's
Speaker 4: like we have two very passionate individuals who are learning
Speaker 4: to write together. And so sometimes the cockberry heated when
Speaker 4: we're first learning how to do this, and it was like,
Speaker 4: you take it personally sometimes when somebody doesn't want to
Speaker 4: take your notes, and it's so different than working with
Speaker 4: a producer in development or something like that. It's you
Speaker 4: learn not to take the notes personally. But when you're
Speaker 4: writing right next to somebody and it's you start, there's
Speaker 4: this point like where it's no, it's like it needs
Speaker 4: to do that sort of. I think by the time
Speaker 4: we did Rucker, we worked out how to do this together,
Speaker 4: how to write together.
Speaker 2: And then of course he's barred from the set.
Speaker 4: Correct he was a producer, so it wasn't barred for
Speaker 4: the set, but he was like helping to make it
Speaker 4: happen all the time. Yeah, yeah, I know, he's a
Speaker 4: wonderful producer.
Speaker 2: I'm glad that the doesn't get too precious about the
Speaker 2: words once the cameras start rolling.
Speaker 4: Yeah. I think at first he did. As a writer,
Speaker 4: it's like, you write the words and you're like, no,
Speaker 4: the actors need to speak them exactly the way they
Speaker 4: are on the page because they're perfect. And I'm like, okay,
Speaker 4: but sometimes that doesn't want to come out of people's
Speaker 4: mouths exactly the same for everyone. Sometimes people don't speak
Speaker 4: those kinds of words. It's about the meaning. I think
Speaker 4: producing films, he's come to this point where it's oh, yeah, okay, yeah,
Speaker 4: that's what needs to happen.
Speaker 2: What were some of the biggest challenges of making Rucker
Speaker 2: for you and what were some of the biggest rewards.
Speaker 4: The biggest challenge is came together pretty nicely, I'm to say.
Speaker 4: Just we decided to shoot where we live in Bremerton.
Speaker 4: Everything was Shaw and Bremerton The permits were a little
Speaker 4: bit iffy at first because I don't think Bremerton and
Speaker 4: it had very many films come to shoot there, and
Speaker 4: so we helped to create a permitting process which was
Speaker 4: really nice. And now there have been other films who
Speaker 4: we've helped to bring to shoot there and helped to
Speaker 4: pave the way for that. And shooting in a cemetery,
Speaker 4: this very old cemetery. It's working with that was it
Speaker 4: wasn't difficult or anything. It was more like and they
Speaker 4: were so nice. They even put this pile of dirt
Speaker 4: for it. They were like, oh, we made a pile
Speaker 4: of dirt for you.
Speaker 7: Thanks.
Speaker 4: You know, that was so nice. I don't have to
Speaker 4: have a pa and do this with a shovel, and yeah,
Speaker 4: it all came together. We rented the race truck near
Speaker 4: there so that we could have a closed track to
Speaker 4: run the truck on and the truck. Local businesses were
Speaker 4: just absolutely really happy to have us. And one of
Speaker 4: them at the time, the manager of McCloud's, his son,
Speaker 4: was a big fan of my work, and he was like, really, oh, yeah,
Speaker 4: we'd love for you to shoot here. That'd be great,
Speaker 4: and let's just it was just really nice. Everybody was
Speaker 4: so right. The community really came out to support us,
Speaker 4: and so I don't there weren't that many problems or
Speaker 4: challenges and now rewards were really creating community. That's what
Speaker 4: I love about making a film every single time, is
Speaker 4: just getting to know new people in the community and
Speaker 4: getting them all to come together and with this common
Speaker 4: goal of making this piece of art essentially. So that
Speaker 4: was my favorite part, always my favorite part.
Speaker 2: Did anybody have any qualms about the subject matter?
Speaker 4: No, they thought it was pretty cool. They were like, oh,
Speaker 4: they wanted the script and everything, and we gave them
Speaker 4: the script and we were like, we're very upfront when
Speaker 4: we're like, yeah, it's about a serial killer, but it's
Speaker 4: really more of a family drama with throat cuttings. And
Speaker 4: they were like oh okay, and they were like wow,
Speaker 4: that's yeah, Like everybody could get on board with generational drama.
Speaker 1: They were like, oh, yeah, I get it.
Speaker 4: Okay, this is good.
Speaker 2: We talked about that long post process. What was going
Speaker 2: on during that time other than the pandemic.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so we had a bit of a hiccup with
Speaker 4: getting some of the elements in place, and then we
Speaker 4: had this really weird kind of issue with Da Vinci
Speaker 4: resolved at the time that every time we started exporting
Speaker 4: for sound, it would make everything go out of sync.
Speaker 4: And so we saw this like very odd, little technical
Speaker 4: problem and it took a horribly long amount of time
Speaker 4: to do this. It was just not as we thought
Speaker 4: about moving it out. There was all of this kind
Speaker 4: of like stress.
Speaker 2: About that and is it just you and your husband
Speaker 2: working on this or did you have another crew helping
Speaker 2: out with the sound?
Speaker 4: Yeah, we totally had so. Sherwood Jones was our post
Speaker 4: production supervisor and editor. He's wonderful. He's like a really
Speaker 4: like just top tier professional working in la and I
Speaker 4: love working with him. But it was the first time
Speaker 4: he was working and resolved and there was just this
Speaker 4: really weird bud but it was nothing to do with him.
Speaker 4: Learned it super fast, and then we were even on
Speaker 4: the phone with black Magic like every day, Okay, have
Speaker 4: your developers found a solution, and is like what's going on?
Speaker 4: And yeah, he handled it really nicely. And then our
Speaker 4: sound designer, Angelo is out of a New Jersey and
Speaker 4: we're just like doing everything via Zoom and.
Speaker 1: Stuff like that.
Speaker 2: So it's almost like the pandemic didn't affect that part
Speaker 2: of it.
Speaker 4: Then it was a really nice learning curve to learn
Speaker 4: how to work remotely with other people, which is great.
Speaker 4: And I think a lot of people have just carried
Speaker 4: that over into the real world, the post pandemic world,
Speaker 4: I should say not.
Speaker 2: Real world, so feel real a lot of times, though
Speaker 2: I know where you're coming from.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and let's see. Trip Holland was our composer and
Speaker 4: he made our music. It was really nice working with him.
Speaker 4: So yeah, we just had a really good crew of
Speaker 4: people doing all this.
Speaker 2: Even during the production. The movie looks great. Can you
Speaker 2: tell me about your DP?
Speaker 1: Oh?
Speaker 4: Yeah, Eric Liberaki and so we met him in Chicago.
Speaker 4: Aaron and I had gone to gosh, I can't remember
Speaker 4: the name of it. It's over on the lots there.
Speaker 4: It's like this where you can learn camera stuff. And
Speaker 4: so we're getting certified on the red cameras for as professors.
Speaker 4: And one of our teachers was Eric Liberaki, and we're
Speaker 4: talking and during lunch one time, and he had made
Speaker 4: horror film and he's dped a lot, and we were
Speaker 4: talking about the film and I figured I looked at
Speaker 4: his work and I was like, oh, this is really good.
Speaker 4: He's totally down to work on a film like this
Speaker 4: because I wanted to do it's a really confined space.
Speaker 4: There isn't like a lot of lighting setups you can
Speaker 4: do with it.
Speaker 7: I wanted it to look.
Speaker 4: Very real, very quite realistic, and like somebodypas don't want
Speaker 4: to do that. They're like, no, we need five thousand
Speaker 4: lights like all the line. And that's great. It's just
Speaker 4: like with a film like this with a kind of
Speaker 4: confined budget and shooting schedule, I needed somebody who could
Speaker 4: just be like, Okay, let's do this. Let's just hammer
Speaker 4: it out and do things with crazy stuff. And yeah,
Speaker 4: it was one working with him, and we used two
Speaker 4: read ak heliums at the time, and it was interesting
Speaker 4: working with a super thirty five censor instead of a
Speaker 4: small confined space. It was a little limiting, and that's
Speaker 4: why we worked with two cameras. Sometimes we could shoot
Speaker 4: a little bit faster, but it was like, it's really
Speaker 4: tricky to track.
Speaker 1: The line when you're doing that.
Speaker 2: Oh, I can't even imagine. Yeah, but that's really a
Speaker 2: good way to conquer that limitation that you had. Though
Speaker 2: I know so much of filmmaking it's just about solving problems.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: The other reason that I really wanted to work with
Speaker 4: Eric is that I want to have a lot of
Speaker 4: students on set, and so I wanted all my department
Speaker 4: heads to be people who were really open to teaching.
Speaker 4: And he's a teacher as well. At the time, he
Speaker 4: was teaching over at De paul And in Chicago, and
Speaker 4: so I was like, Okay, this is just what we
Speaker 4: need to work with.
Speaker 2: I forget ultimately what happened with the sound issue. How
Speaker 2: did that get solve?
Speaker 4: Black Magic finally got back to us, And it's a
Speaker 4: really weird bug with their multi camera editing. It still exists.
Speaker 4: You can't export with compound clips. You can create compound
Speaker 4: clips and then just have a drop down in the timeline,
Speaker 4: which is super cool because you can be like this
Speaker 4: and oh this other shot, except that you actually have
Speaker 4: to get rid of the other ones before you export it,
Speaker 4: because otherwise at that point it will cause everything else
Speaker 4: thereafter to go out of sync. And it still happens.
Speaker 2: And you were the guinea pig for that. We were yeah,
Speaker 2: oh boy, So I know you said that the Pandemic's over,
Speaker 2: but you wait a little while before the movie comes out.
Speaker 2: Can you tell me about the release of it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so we went with Giant, and we went with
Speaker 4: a PR firm out of let's say, out of Los Angeles,
Speaker 4: and it was interesting. I think they went to a
Speaker 4: bunch of places where I've never had any press, And
Speaker 4: I guess we'd like to do a re release just
Speaker 4: because there's a lot of interest now and I'm like,
Speaker 4: how are people finding our film now? Suddenly there's been
Speaker 4: this kind of surge, and so we'd like to do
Speaker 4: a re release. I think it was released as a
Speaker 4: horror film because I think that they thought, oh, it's
Speaker 4: easier to do it that way, but it's not really
Speaker 4: a horror film, and so like horror fans work, this
Speaker 4: isn't a horror film.
Speaker 1: I don't like it.
Speaker 4: So I'm like, okay, yeah, it's not. It's a family
Speaker 4: drama with throacadding this weird like cross genre films tend
Speaker 4: to suffer a lot, and it's like they find their
Speaker 4: way and sometimes it takes a while, and so I
Speaker 4: think it's just like finding it's suddenly coming into its time. Now.
Speaker 2: I know that you've done a few films since Anny
Speaker 2: talked about Gleampire, but then also in between there was Pygmalion.
Speaker 4: Correct, we shot Pygmalion in Bolivia and we're going to
Speaker 4: I think we're releasing that this year. And that one
Speaker 4: we sat on for a while. It was like taking
Speaker 4: a long time in post as well, and really only
Speaker 4: because that is a meta film. It kind of we're
Speaker 4: slogging through the post production through the editor, trying to
Speaker 4: make make all of the stories interconnect in a way
Speaker 4: where it would flow better for the audience.
Speaker 2: Is there a good place for people to keep up
Speaker 2: with you and your work and where to buy these things?
Speaker 4: I don't really do social media, and yeah, people can
Speaker 4: email me.
Speaker 2: So a new semester is going to be starting up
Speaker 2: pretty soon if it hasn't already, because I lose track
Speaker 2: of time. Do you already have like your project for
Speaker 2: next summer in mind or how does that work? Like
Speaker 2: how do you have a constant cycle where you're always creating?
Speaker 4: Yeah, so I think the Portons and Film Festival as
Speaker 4: were Actually we're in production with the short film that
Speaker 4: we just wrapped on and they want us to do
Speaker 4: another one, and so I think they've already chose the
Speaker 4: screenplay for them. So I think we're going to make
Speaker 4: that next But I'm working on making a version of
Speaker 4: Venus and Furs and so I'm really into that. And
Speaker 4: then we have another screenplay that we're really keen to
Speaker 4: make as well, called Pinata on Grata. It's a really weird, offbeat,
Speaker 4: dark comedy about this group of broken hearted people who
Speaker 4: gather together to have therapy and make pinnatas they represent.
Speaker 2: Their pain and that smash them.
Speaker 4: Yeah, eventually they get to smash them. They get to
Speaker 4: whack them every time they make a breakthrough and eventually
Speaker 4: get the goodies inside. But there's a faction of them
Speaker 4: that kind of goes rogue and tries to speed up
Speaker 4: the process. I'm taking those emotional breakthrough So it's a
Speaker 4: fun kind of weird, edgy comedy. So I'd like to
Speaker 4: make that one as well.
Speaker 2: I look forward to your next project, especially a big
Speaker 2: fan of Sasha mass Sok, so seeing another version of
Speaker 2: Venus and Furs and what you bring to it, I'm
Speaker 2: really excited about because I loved Rucker and I'm so
Speaker 2: curious to see the rest of you work.
Speaker 7: Oh thanks, thank you so much.
Speaker 2: This was wonderful.
Speaker 1: Well, thank you.
Speaker 4: I really had a great time, and you have wonderful
Speaker 4: questions and this was a really great.
Speaker 2: That's right. We were back and talking about Rucker and yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm surprised that there haven't been more serial killer Trucker
Speaker 2: movies because Trucker movies talked about serial killer films, talk
Speaker 2: about zombie films, but Trucker movies. They were a mainstay
Speaker 2: in the nineteen seventies. I know you guys have seen
Speaker 2: many Trucker films because I would consider the Smoking the
Speaker 2: Bandit series to be a Trucker series as well.
Speaker 7: Yeah, that's shocking, right, It's like when they made Backdraft,
Speaker 7: like they hadn't made a firefighter movie.
Speaker 1: What is road games in this list of things to consider?
Speaker 2: I definitely think so.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I would say even duel because that's like the serial
Speaker 2: killing truck itself. We never see the driver. But yeah,
Speaker 2: I think dual and definitely road games.
Speaker 1: Do ay ride, Yeah, because there's always don.
Speaker 2: Killer on the road thing. Yeah, like I mentioned with
Speaker 2: Chick Kurkuncole movie, Oh, I would switch back. No, Switchback
Speaker 2: was the train movie? But then was it black Dog?
Speaker 2: That was another one?
Speaker 7: It was rest Stop, No, it was something like that.
Speaker 7: It was shit Marker zero, Give Me Back My Wife
Speaker 7: with Kurt Russell.
Speaker 2: Yeah, a lot of those movies around. It was Breakdown, Breakdown,
Speaker 2: and the Switchback movie. I'm thinking of as the one
Speaker 2: with name Danny Gliver, isn't it? Yeah?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: And I didn't think that was a train movie? Was
Speaker 2: it a train movie? Pretty sure? It's the train movie?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 2: Okay, I thought there were. I think it's a serial
Speaker 2: killer on a train movie? Okay, Oh, serial killer on
Speaker 2: the train.
Speaker 1: Look out, careful now? Am I being Eric Bogosian? Oh?
Speaker 2: Even as Brent Hinckley in there, that's Bill Pembrey.
Speaker 1: That's real tembre. Dammit, Tom, that's about you.
Speaker 6: Look, why are we watching that? Can we watch that instead?
Speaker 6: We just talk about that for another hour? How many
Speaker 6: hours of talking about that movie can we get.
Speaker 2: Out of that movie?
Speaker 1: Is the real quest?
Speaker 2: A lot?
Speaker 6: I know? Yeah, I will say, I'm waiting for someone
Speaker 6: to do. Has there been like a quintessential serial killer
Speaker 6: trucking movie aor we still waiting for it?
Speaker 2: I guess we're waiting for it.
Speaker 1: I guess we're still waiting for it.
Speaker 2: He just phrased it really funny to me.
Speaker 7: I don't I know the look you just really haven't
Speaker 7: gotten the seminal serial killer truck.
Speaker 6: I guess we haven't. I don't know if we ever
Speaker 6: have to be fair, have we? That's what I was
Speaker 6: trying to get out with this movie. This movie wants
Speaker 6: to be that. It's trafficking, and I'm surprised. I don't
Speaker 6: say lot lizards at one point. It traffics and a
Speaker 6: lot of the things you would expect. It just it
Speaker 6: doesn't nail it enough. But it has all of the
Speaker 6: very obvious things. He's like, Oh, there's a he's doing
Speaker 6: a map and it's random women and it's only a thing,
Speaker 6: and it's oh, you're checking all of the dub boxes.
Speaker 6: But then you stop short, So I don't know. There
Speaker 6: might not be one yet.
Speaker 1: Still wait.
Speaker 2: It's funny though, because I just did a search for
Speaker 2: trucker serial killer and one of the YouTube headlines that
Speaker 2: comes up hundreds of murder victims linked to long haul truckers.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the thing, the story.
Speaker 2: Of Robert Ben Rhodes, who was the truck stop killer.
Speaker 1: That's the thing.
Speaker 6: Like the truckers are like in terms of a community
Speaker 6: to mine for serial killing, Like their profession alone is
Speaker 6: what it's all about, right, Like just the traveling in
Speaker 6: between states. It has nothing to do with the personalities
Speaker 6: and the people behind it. It's just the profession alone
Speaker 6: is what sets them in that area of Oh, wouldn't
Speaker 6: it be scary because they are never in one spot
Speaker 6: for two longs? Yeah, it is just we haven't I
Speaker 6: don't know, we haven't had a Henry portrait of a
Speaker 6: serial killer for the trucking world yet.
Speaker 2: Be prepared because there's a film called Midnight in the
Speaker 2: Switchgrass from twenty twenty one starring Megan Fox, Bruce Willis,
Speaker 2: Emil Hirsch Lucas has distributed by Lionsgate, based on the
Speaker 2: true story of Texas's most dangerous serial killer. It is
Speaker 2: all about the infamous truck stop killer. There's too much
Speaker 2: entertainment down there these days. Movie, well, this is one
Speaker 2: of those. This was a twenty twenty one Bruce Willis film.
Speaker 2: So this is when he was just cranking them out
Speaker 2: like nobody's business.
Speaker 1: He stopped a serial killer who can't stop himself. That's
Speaker 1: the tagline for they.
Speaker 2: I'm probably watched that.
Speaker 1: Oh my god.
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, it's but it's not told from the point
Speaker 6: of view of the trucker. Clearly, it's told from the point.
Speaker 2: Of view of That's fine.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I don't want to spend that much time inside
Speaker 7: the head of a serial killer anymore, honestly, Like, I'm
Speaker 7: with you on that, I've done it, And like I
Speaker 7: spent how many years with Dexter?
Speaker 6: Yeah, hey, he's coming back though, no, no more. He
Speaker 6: died already, but he's coming back. I'm waiting for ghosts now.
Speaker 6: If Dexter can come back, Rutger can come back. That's
Speaker 6: all I'm saying. Seems reasonable to me at this point.
Speaker 6: Rutger two will be the equal to Rucker. It will
Speaker 6: be all of the killing of the people leading up
Speaker 6: to the beginning of the first movie.
Speaker 2: Oh, and it's this idea of creating the portrait.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it'll end with him opening the door being like, hello,
Speaker 6: oh you're a documentary film crew, Rucker. Oh that's how it, yeah,
Speaker 6: ends right, it feeds right into the beginning of the
Speaker 6: first movie.
Speaker 2: You want to make a movie about me?
Speaker 4: There you go.
Speaker 7: Folks, citing your own throat seems like a difficult proposition. Yeah,
Speaker 7: that your knife must have been real, real sharp. Yeah,
Speaker 7: I can't even imagine.
Speaker 2: I can't say, oh, it looks so fake when the
Speaker 2: people have their throat slit. Because I've never actually seen
Speaker 2: it in real life. I don't know how it looks,
Speaker 2: the arterial spray you mean, yeah, just it looked like
Speaker 2: a waterfall coming out of the one woman's head, right,
Speaker 2: because they augmented a lot of it with CG. If
Speaker 2: you were looking closely, like this pouring of blood. But
Speaker 2: evidently the effects were overseen by Steve Johnson, who was
Speaker 2: a major fucking effects guy. Man or is rather elm
Speaker 2: Street four and Men in Black and just like online.
Speaker 7: So I was actually surprised that they added a little
Speaker 7: bit of CG there, considering they all seem pretty fucking solid.
Speaker 7: I guess if you want the blood fucking geysering, then
Speaker 7: just do that on the set.
Speaker 6: Yeah, don't do the Adobe post effects stuff, because you
Speaker 6: can tell looks like a Steven Seagal movie sometimes with
Speaker 6: those blood effects, because that's what they would use for
Speaker 6: the bullet effects in those movies. And it's like the
Speaker 6: same one every time flipped or turned upside down.
Speaker 2: The rest of the movie just looks shot on video.
Speaker 7: I'm guessing this is one of those early generations of
Speaker 7: the red digital cameras that they used here, and so
Speaker 7: they're already at a disadvantage because it looks a little
Speaker 7: shabbier than a regular sort of Hollywood film. So when
Speaker 7: you add fucking CG to that, don't do that, it
Speaker 7: just sticks out.
Speaker 6: I kind of wish the whole movie had been in
Speaker 6: that like animation style that the end credits are in,
Speaker 6: that like weirdo story book Rucker as like a drawing. Again, Like,
Speaker 6: there's some weird choices that are made in this movie
Speaker 6: that I wish can followed through. It's clear that they
Speaker 6: could make weird choices, so they should have made more
Speaker 6: of them, is my point, because in a lot of ways,
Speaker 6: like this movie is shockingly safe when you're producing, writing,
Speaker 6: and directing your own movie, and some of this is
Speaker 6: shockingly safe, but then you have weird animated segments and
Speaker 6: like these weird like animated segments, but then also this
Speaker 6: other stuff where it's like pictures that have been turned
Speaker 6: into drawings.
Speaker 1: It's like, you can make weird choices. I'm here for it.
Speaker 6: Please give us more of that, because I found that
Speaker 6: eminently more interesting than just a movie about a serial killer.
Speaker 6: Like we've already alluded to the fact that those interstitials
Speaker 6: are some of the best things in the movie. Just
Speaker 6: do more of that, not enough Corey Taylor singing, that's
Speaker 6: what we needed. Just put that over the credits.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I applaud those bold choices, and I agree with you.
Speaker 2: I wish it would made some more.
Speaker 6: When you're making movies, that's what this is about, especially
Speaker 6: when you're making indie movies, especially when you're making your
Speaker 6: own stuff, like take the fucking chance, you're already making
Speaker 6: the movie?
Speaker 2: Why not?
Speaker 7: They definitely should have because those are the innovative parts
Speaker 7: of this movie. Those are the parts that I absolutely
Speaker 7: responded to. If you ask me what that movie was about,
Speaker 7: in five years, I'll tell you, Oh, that's that animated movie.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 4: Hey.
Speaker 6: It's good to see that movies are still being made,
Speaker 6: independent movies are still coming out, that people can still
Speaker 6: get things made in this day and age, that people
Speaker 6: resonate with it to pick it as a Patreon pick
Speaker 6: for your podcast, These are all positives. Just because it
Speaker 6: didn't resonate with us doesn't mean much of anything, frankly,
Speaker 6: and the fact that you're covering it on your show
Speaker 6: is a big plus for this movie and a big
Speaker 6: positive for more people seeing this movie. Ultimately, success is
Speaker 6: had by all. Even if we didn't resonate with it
Speaker 6: as much as other people might have.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I thought it was well made, I thought it
Speaker 7: was well acted. I just didn't like that script. Give
Speaker 7: this filmmaker a better script the end.
Speaker 2: All right, let's go ahead and take another break and
Speaker 2: play a preview for next week's show. Right after these
Speaker 2: brief messages.
Speaker 7: We are letting you out for a kind of probation,
Speaker 7: her aunt and I hope that you can conduct yourself normally.
Speaker 5: What did they do live in the clinic those three years?
Speaker 5: Did it cheer you?
Speaker 6: Yes?
Speaker 2: Now I'm completely mad and I'm the anything I can
Speaker 2: not to have you squalled my sister's money.
Speaker 5: Please leave it alone.
Speaker 7: That still used to ray sein Esther for you.
Speaker 5: Leave your cousins alone, all three of them these. This
Speaker 5: is a new game.
Speaker 2: I don't trust you.
Speaker 1: You get me here, Joy.
Speaker 2: That's right. We'll be back next week with a look
Speaker 2: at Bell from Hell. Until then, I want to thank
Speaker 2: my co host Chris and father alone, Father Malone, What
Speaker 2: is the latest with you? Sir?
Speaker 7: Check out my show midnight viewing over at Weirdingwaymedia dot com.
Speaker 7: Twice a month you'll hear a show with these two fellows,
Speaker 7: mister Mike White and Chris Stashio. We do the Horror
Speaker 7: Anthology podcast, where we are currently looking at Talales from
Speaker 7: the Dark Side. The other six episodes of the show
Speaker 7: per month are roundups of streaming stuff and looks at
Speaker 7: other anthology movies of every kind of variety. So midnight viewing,
Speaker 7: go check that out.
Speaker 2: And Chris, what is going on at the Culture Cast, sir?
Speaker 6: Just talking about horror movies in October. It's been ten
Speaker 6: years doing the podcast, to be ten more. It's horror
Speaker 6: Tober like you're doing sh October. It to Horritober over
Speaker 6: the podcast that I do all about movies. Culture Cast,
Speaker 6: weirding Way Media.
Speaker 4: There you go.
Speaker 2: Love it. Thank you so much guys for being on
Speaker 2: the show. Thanks to everybody for listening. If you want
Speaker 2: to hear more of me shooting off my mouth, check
Speaker 2: out some of the other shows that I work on.
Speaker 2: As we have said, they are all available at Weirdingwaymedia
Speaker 2: dot com. Thanks especially to our Patreon community. If you
Speaker 2: want to join the community, visit patreon dot com slash
Speaker 2: Projection booth. This month, over at our Patreon and over
Speaker 2: at Chris's Patreon, we have Live and Let Die, the
Speaker 2: new episode of Ranking on Bond where we are joined
Speaker 2: by father alone, so great time to be have by all.
Speaker 2: Every donation we get over here at the projection booth
Speaker 2: helps us take over the world.
Speaker 1: Bye you, my trusted friend.
Speaker 3: We've known each other's We were nine ten together weak
Speaker 3: climb hills and trees, learned of love and ABC's skinning
Speaker 3: our hearts and skinning our.
Speaker 1: Knees could be buy a meal. It's hard to die.
Speaker 5: Quit all the burgers.
Speaker 3: Singing in the sky that the spring is in the air.
Speaker 3: Pretty girls are everywhere.
Speaker 2: How wish we could both be there?
Speaker 3: We had we had by we had seen and then
Speaker 3: put the hills we could climb were two seasons at
Speaker 3: a time.
Speaker 1: By put poppy pray for me.
Speaker 3: That was the BlackSheep of the damn.
Speaker 6: You try to show me right from wrong.
Speaker 1: Too much wine and too much song, wonder, oh my god,
Speaker 1: by the pot it's hard to tie.
Speaker 3: And all the burner singing this guys got the spring
Speaker 3: is in the.
Speaker 5: Little kids are everywhere.
Speaker 2: Think of me and I'll be there.
Speaker 6: Yet.
Speaker 1: Seasons and then the door the song the seasons, Oh.
Speaker 2: Had season, and that.
Speaker 1: The cold word the seasons.
Speaker 5: At the time, my friends, was my trusted on and
Speaker 5: out you might have had a like you cheated lots
Speaker 5: of times with them for gave you as the.
Speaker 6: F fun.
Speaker 1: It's hard.
Speaker 6: We had all the bird sing.
Speaker 4: This guy Nash.
Speaker 3: Brings mister lows everywhere to be careful.
Speaker 7: We had wild, We had fun.
Speaker 6: We had seasons and the sun with the stars we
Speaker 6: could ring.
Speaker 7: Were the star show on the bags.
Speaker 5: All our lives we had fun.
Speaker 1: We had seasons and that's put the wine in the song.
Speaker 1: The seasons hovel we had try.
Speaker 6: We had fun.
Speaker 1: We had seasons in the sun, the hills we could climb.
Speaker 5: We're just seasons at a time.
Speaker 1: All our lives we had fun.
Speaker 5: We had seasons in the sun.
Speaker 1: Put the line and the song like.
Speaker 6: The seasons t We had fun.
Speaker 7: We had seasons sun start.
Speaker 4: The starting.
Speaker 1: All our lives we had on the assists is the
Speaker 1: sun or the season character