WEBVTT 1 00:00:05.120 --> 00:00:07.919 Oh she is bot It's showtime. 2 00:00:08.640 --> 00:00:10.560 People say good money to see this movie. 3 00:00:10.919 --> 00:00:13.560 When they go out to a theater, they want cold sodas, 4 00:00:13.880 --> 00:00:17.199 pop popcorn, and no monsters in the protection booth. 5 00:00:17.359 --> 00:00:19.199 Everyone pretend podcasting isn't boring. 6 00:00:20.239 --> 00:00:20.879 Got it off. 7 00:00:39.399 --> 00:00:41.359 Thank you for a great to make this documentary. 8 00:00:42.880 --> 00:00:44.799 NAT's rucker rhymes with trucker. 9 00:00:45.920 --> 00:00:48.560 That's my wife, Darlene. She's a real looker, ain't she. 10 00:00:49.079 --> 00:00:52.119 What is your contribution to society? As truckers? 11 00:00:52.439 --> 00:00:54.159 A contribution to society? 12 00:00:56.399 --> 00:00:57.640 Twenty eight years of my life. 13 00:00:58.280 --> 00:01:00.079 I've been working on this poetry. 14 00:01:02.159 --> 00:01:04.439 It's lonely up there on the road. You gotta love 15 00:01:04.439 --> 00:01:04.959 where you can. 16 00:01:05.359 --> 00:01:09.319 I love Darling. I'm not saying you don't love your wife. 17 00:01:09.200 --> 00:01:11.719 Yeah, it's hard to being on the road alone. 18 00:01:16.280 --> 00:01:18.439 It looks a lot lacker, but Darling's much pretty. 19 00:01:20.760 --> 00:01:21.400 Let it go out. 20 00:01:22.439 --> 00:01:24.400 Your wife not doing it for you anymore? 21 00:01:25.400 --> 00:01:27.799 Do you want to show you how I do it? 22 00:01:27.959 --> 00:01:29.680 Do you think you're like your masterpiece? 23 00:01:29.680 --> 00:01:31.680 When you're master piece? 24 00:01:32.280 --> 00:01:33.079 I like the ring of that. 25 00:01:37.640 --> 00:01:38.200 Pay attention. 26 00:01:41.560 --> 00:01:44.439 You're not taking advantage of her, are you sure? 27 00:01:58.480 --> 00:02:07.760 Rucker Trucker, Welcome to the projection booth. I'm your host 28 00:02:07.760 --> 00:02:11.560 Mike woye Joni once again, is mister Chris Dashu. I'm 29 00:02:11.560 --> 00:02:15.240 here love when you give those very pithy answers. 30 00:02:14.960 --> 00:02:16.879 Chris, you're well. 31 00:02:17.680 --> 00:02:19.879 Also back in the booth is Father Malone. 32 00:02:20.400 --> 00:02:22.639 We got a big old convoy rolling through the night. 33 00:02:23.199 --> 00:02:24.919 Convoy of one nice. 34 00:02:25.479 --> 00:02:30.000 October continues with a Patreon request from John Redford. It 35 00:02:30.199 --> 00:02:33.759 is a discussion of the twenty twenty two horror film 36 00:02:33.800 --> 00:02:37.639 A Rucker That's r u c k e R. It's 37 00:02:37.680 --> 00:02:41.120 all about Darius Rucker, the lead singer of Hoodie and 38 00:02:41.159 --> 00:02:41.960 the Flowfish. 39 00:02:42.199 --> 00:02:45.240 Wish it was man. He only wants to be with 40 00:02:45.319 --> 00:02:48.719 you God. That was the other title for. 41 00:02:48.719 --> 00:02:50.280 The movie, and they didn't go with that could have 42 00:02:50.280 --> 00:02:55.120 been Actually. The film follows Leaf Rucker, a seemingly ordinary 43 00:02:55.240 --> 00:02:59.240 long haul trucker who has been serially killing women resembling 44 00:02:59.240 --> 00:03:03.599 his ex wife life for thirty years. The narrative takes 45 00:03:03.599 --> 00:03:07.159 a turn when Maggie, a young filmmaker making a documentary 46 00:03:07.159 --> 00:03:11.879 about truckers, becomes privy to Rutger's deadly secret and chooses 47 00:03:11.919 --> 00:03:15.439 to document his crimes. We will be spoiling the film 48 00:03:15.439 --> 00:03:17.400 as we go along, so if you don't want anything ruined, 49 00:03:17.599 --> 00:03:21.159 please turn off the podcast and track down Rucker. We 50 00:03:21.280 --> 00:03:24.039 will still be here now. I imagine this was a 51 00:03:24.120 --> 00:03:27.280 first time watch for all of us. So, FATHERM alone, 52 00:03:27.360 --> 00:03:29.000 what were your initial impressions of. 53 00:03:29.159 --> 00:03:32.639 Rucker, Sir, I did not like this movie, which isn't 54 00:03:32.680 --> 00:03:36.680 to say that it isn't competently made and acted. Actually, 55 00:03:37.000 --> 00:03:40.520 the lead guy is really good, so I enjoyed a 56 00:03:40.520 --> 00:03:42.439 lot of the performances. Like I said, I think it's 57 00:03:42.479 --> 00:03:48.039 really well shot. I love the animation sequences, the sequences 58 00:03:48.080 --> 00:03:50.520 that sort of detail letters from his daughter while he 59 00:03:50.599 --> 00:03:53.039 was out on the road, detailing her life. I thought 60 00:03:53.039 --> 00:03:57.560 that was all beautiful. But I think the script is boring. 61 00:03:58.080 --> 00:04:03.599 It is the film is glacially paid and episodic, and 62 00:04:04.439 --> 00:04:06.879 we spend too much time at karaoke. 63 00:04:06.560 --> 00:04:08.479 You mean, not enough time at karaoke. 64 00:04:09.120 --> 00:04:11.719 I was just about to reverse myself and then to 65 00:04:11.759 --> 00:04:14.520 say that maybe we needed more karaoke. I don't know. 66 00:04:14.599 --> 00:04:18.639 It's just the problem with this movie is the script. 67 00:04:18.800 --> 00:04:22.800 It feels thirty years too late and has nothing new 68 00:04:22.839 --> 00:04:26.879 to say about serial killing or serial killers or ultimately 69 00:04:26.879 --> 00:04:28.040 what these characters have. 70 00:04:28.800 --> 00:04:29.160 I don't know. 71 00:04:29.160 --> 00:04:31.480 The pathology all works out a little bit, but anyway, 72 00:04:31.639 --> 00:04:33.040 I didn't like the movie, Mike. 73 00:04:33.639 --> 00:04:35.759 All right, that's fair, Chris, how about yourself? 74 00:04:36.360 --> 00:04:39.279 Well, what was interesting is I was looking for inspired 75 00:04:39.319 --> 00:04:42.600 by a writing credit for John McNaughton at some point 76 00:04:42.639 --> 00:04:45.279 in all of this, and then I realized, to father 77 00:04:45.319 --> 00:04:48.920 Malone's point that for me, as someone who spent four 78 00:04:48.920 --> 00:04:53.439 and a half years listening to watching things about serial 79 00:04:53.560 --> 00:04:56.000 killers and throwing myself into it with scary stories, we 80 00:04:56.079 --> 00:04:58.240 tell this is the kind of stuff that I would 81 00:04:58.240 --> 00:05:01.199 be into. It also has some appeal because it's a 82 00:05:01.240 --> 00:05:04.160 little bit of a I don't think indie movie, whatever 83 00:05:04.199 --> 00:05:07.639 the fuck that means anymore indie enough, and I think 84 00:05:07.680 --> 00:05:08.519 it has some appeal. 85 00:05:08.519 --> 00:05:10.959 And again, yeah, the idea is novel, but. 86 00:05:11.040 --> 00:05:13.519 It also feels Liz is twenty twenty four, Give me 87 00:05:13.560 --> 00:05:16.160 a fucking break, Like, I don't know, you should have 88 00:05:16.160 --> 00:05:18.120 at least set the movie in the nineties, but this 89 00:05:18.240 --> 00:05:22.399 is such a nineties idea. It feels so not of 90 00:05:22.480 --> 00:05:24.560 the time that the movie is taking place. This is 91 00:05:24.600 --> 00:05:27.279 meant to take place now, or at least in twenty 92 00:05:27.319 --> 00:05:30.519 twenty two, I'm assuming, and it needed to take place 93 00:05:30.560 --> 00:05:32.920 in the mid nineties for it to feel believable. To 94 00:05:32.959 --> 00:05:35.959 go back to the John McNaughton of it all. I 95 00:05:36.000 --> 00:05:38.800 have a hard time doing anything other than looking at 96 00:05:38.800 --> 00:05:40.920 this and going, you really like ten Reportrait of a 97 00:05:40.959 --> 00:05:41.560 serial Killer? 98 00:05:41.680 --> 00:05:42.360 Huh? 99 00:05:42.360 --> 00:05:44.399 And that's not a bad thing. Look, imitation is the 100 00:05:44.439 --> 00:05:48.560 sincerest form of flattery. But Michael Rooker, this guy is not. 101 00:05:48.959 --> 00:05:52.240 This script is not as well written as the Henry 102 00:05:52.240 --> 00:05:52.800 Portrait of a. 103 00:05:52.759 --> 00:05:53.720 Serial Killer script. 104 00:05:53.720 --> 00:05:55.920 And to Father Malone's other point, and this, I think, 105 00:05:55.959 --> 00:05:57.759 for me is the biggest sin of the movie is 106 00:05:58.480 --> 00:06:03.759 it is so poorly pied. It is just beyond strangely paced. 107 00:06:03.800 --> 00:06:05.759 The episodic nature of the movie could have worked in 108 00:06:05.800 --> 00:06:09.199 its favor, and instead of working in its favor, it 109 00:06:09.240 --> 00:06:12.319 feels like by it being episodic in those episodic things 110 00:06:12.360 --> 00:06:16.040 really not having a whole lot interesting within them, it 111 00:06:16.160 --> 00:06:19.439 kind of highlights even more for me how slow the 112 00:06:19.480 --> 00:06:19.959 movie is. 113 00:06:20.079 --> 00:06:21.600 I wouldn't say I liked it or it is like that. 114 00:06:21.720 --> 00:06:23.439 I can understand it. This movie is four. 115 00:06:24.120 --> 00:06:26.480 I just don't think it's per se for me, because 116 00:06:26.519 --> 00:06:29.120 there are other movies like this one that I've seen 117 00:06:29.160 --> 00:06:31.519 that do a better job. So That's where I'm coming 118 00:06:31.560 --> 00:06:33.839 at it from initially. And yes, this was a first 119 00:06:33.839 --> 00:06:34.839 time watch. 120 00:06:35.199 --> 00:06:36.959 So why the mid nineties. Why do you think this 121 00:06:37.000 --> 00:06:39.240 would have worked better have it either been set or 122 00:06:39.319 --> 00:06:41.319 came out in the nineties, And which do you think 123 00:06:41.600 --> 00:06:42.480 would have been better? 124 00:06:43.000 --> 00:06:45.160 As it is now thirty years later in the fucking 125 00:06:45.240 --> 00:06:49.480 g loot of serial killer entertainment that continues to this day, 126 00:06:49.720 --> 00:06:53.000 just in proliferation in every direction. It's if you're coming 127 00:06:53.040 --> 00:06:56.800 at us with a new serial killer feature, it has 128 00:06:57.199 --> 00:07:00.160 to have an innovation, and this has no inna. 129 00:07:00.959 --> 00:07:04.839 It is approaching the most basic of basic stories in 130 00:07:04.920 --> 00:07:08.600 terms of convoy or highway serial killers. Right, this is 131 00:07:08.639 --> 00:07:13.120 just a guy going around killing women. For some we 132 00:07:13.279 --> 00:07:16.199 know his purpose, but in the reality of a world 133 00:07:16.240 --> 00:07:19.120 we wouldn't know his purpose. But because it's a movie, 134 00:07:19.199 --> 00:07:22.040 we understand what his purpose is. But it's like the 135 00:07:22.040 --> 00:07:25.480 most basic of serial killer stories. Especially when we're talking 136 00:07:25.480 --> 00:07:27.199 about if we were to sit here for five minutes 137 00:07:27.240 --> 00:07:31.240 and brainstorm a serial killer trucker, this guy is like 138 00:07:31.439 --> 00:07:34.560 the most basic common denominator. 139 00:07:34.920 --> 00:07:38.560 Creepy, older white guy, balding. 140 00:07:38.199 --> 00:07:43.040 On top, where's a trucker hat, where's plaid, has a 141 00:07:43.120 --> 00:07:45.600 knife on his side. It's very stereotypical, which is not 142 00:07:45.639 --> 00:07:49.240 a bad thing. I just don't think to Father Malone's point, 143 00:07:49.279 --> 00:07:52.160 at this point, you can get away with resting your 144 00:07:52.240 --> 00:07:56.000 laurels on just the most obvious of choices. It feels 145 00:07:56.040 --> 00:07:57.920 like a lot of obvious choices are being made, and 146 00:07:58.000 --> 00:07:59.240 you can make obvious choices. 147 00:07:59.319 --> 00:08:01.480 It's like going to a restaurant that makes one thing. 148 00:08:01.959 --> 00:08:03.879 If they make one thing and they do it really well, 149 00:08:03.959 --> 00:08:06.000 nobody fucking cares that they only have one thing on 150 00:08:06.040 --> 00:08:08.920 the menu. But if you're not doing it to the 151 00:08:08.920 --> 00:08:11.600 best of your ability, it is pretty obvious that you're 152 00:08:11.600 --> 00:08:14.240 not swinging with the most power. And I think, yeah, 153 00:08:14.240 --> 00:08:16.920 I just it's not they're not initially on the face 154 00:08:16.920 --> 00:08:19.399 of it, they're not doing enough with the premise, just 155 00:08:19.399 --> 00:08:20.160 on the face of it. 156 00:08:20.279 --> 00:08:21.600 What about you, Mike, what did you use it? 157 00:08:22.120 --> 00:08:23.519 I think I liked it a lot more than you 158 00:08:23.560 --> 00:08:28.680 guys did. Yeah, there's way too much karaoke, and especially 159 00:08:29.560 --> 00:08:34.159 very poorly sung karaoke. And I understand that with Taco Tuesday, 160 00:08:34.279 --> 00:08:37.440 that's supposed to be a joke because apparently that guy's 161 00:08:37.720 --> 00:08:39.840 the lead singer and slip knot. 162 00:08:40.240 --> 00:08:42.360 There is Corey Taylor slipping on. 163 00:08:43.000 --> 00:08:45.320 You could hold a gun against my head and tell 164 00:08:45.320 --> 00:08:48.279 me to name one slipknot song, and I would get 165 00:08:48.320 --> 00:08:51.039 a bullet between my eyes because I have no idea. 166 00:08:51.200 --> 00:08:53.960 They're the guys that wear masks, right yep. 167 00:08:54.519 --> 00:08:56.519 In his case in this movie, he wears a fucking 168 00:08:56.600 --> 00:08:57.879 hilariously bad wig. 169 00:08:58.440 --> 00:09:00.879 And I didn't mind that, and I didn't mind his 170 00:09:00.960 --> 00:09:05.600 whole embarrassment over throwing a fit about wanting tacos when 171 00:09:05.639 --> 00:09:08.879 it wasn't Taco Tuesday. So it reminds me when it 172 00:09:08.879 --> 00:09:11.039 comes to the other truckers in some of those scenes, 173 00:09:11.080 --> 00:09:14.679 it reminds me a little bit of taxi driver, especially 174 00:09:14.720 --> 00:09:18.960 the whole thing like one person's two persons, three persons. 175 00:09:19.039 --> 00:09:22.440 Harry northup talking about the bathtub that allegedly belonged to 176 00:09:23.440 --> 00:09:26.320 one of my Errol Flynn, Right, what's Aerol Finny? I 177 00:09:26.360 --> 00:09:29.320 think was Aerol Flynn? That I thought was okay. I 178 00:09:29.399 --> 00:09:33.000 like how the Taco Tuesdays learning how to knit and 179 00:09:33.200 --> 00:09:36.919 that our main guy Rucker is a big knitter and 180 00:09:37.399 --> 00:09:40.360 just always working with stuff. And I like the revelations 181 00:09:40.559 --> 00:09:44.679 of the different information as far as we are starting 182 00:09:44.720 --> 00:09:48.399 this movie as a documentary, but then eventually we see 183 00:09:48.440 --> 00:09:53.480 the filmmaker and then we see him killing people, and 184 00:09:53.519 --> 00:09:56.279 then she sees him killing people, and then it's this 185 00:09:56.399 --> 00:09:59.080 whole Oh, not only is she not going to run 186 00:09:59.080 --> 00:10:01.679 away in terror, but she's into. 187 00:10:01.440 --> 00:10:05.840 It and she's his daughter, right, she's got. 188 00:10:05.639 --> 00:10:07.559 To be his daughter. I don't know if they pretty 189 00:10:07.600 --> 00:10:09.480 much say that, even though I think some of those 190 00:10:09.519 --> 00:10:12.080 reviews that I was reading there was like, oh, she 191 00:10:12.200 --> 00:10:14.519 might be his daughter. I'm like, her fucking handle is 192 00:10:14.600 --> 00:10:19.399 daddy's girl. And all of these memories are basically, oh, Daddy, 193 00:10:19.440 --> 00:10:21.639 you left and you were driving a truck and here 194 00:10:21.679 --> 00:10:24.840 I am. I'm like, if this isn't your father, I would. 195 00:10:24.639 --> 00:10:29.279 Be very surprised when he kills himself spoilers. She says, daddy, no, 196 00:10:29.559 --> 00:10:32.559 So that's obviously that's her father. I don't know why 197 00:10:32.600 --> 00:10:35.080 they as soon as she was cool with the killing, 198 00:10:35.120 --> 00:10:37.159 and as soon as we started getting letters from home, 199 00:10:37.360 --> 00:10:39.240 it was really obvious that's her. 200 00:10:39.559 --> 00:10:39.799 Guess. 201 00:10:39.799 --> 00:10:42.279 I was more implying, is there incest in this moviie? 202 00:10:42.320 --> 00:10:49.240 Then I don't think so, it's I don't know, maybe not. 203 00:10:50.080 --> 00:10:52.039 They wake up the next day and they're in bed together. 204 00:10:52.720 --> 00:10:56.279 Yeah, it's implied the way a lot of the other 205 00:10:56.320 --> 00:10:57.759 stuff and this movie's implied. 206 00:10:58.919 --> 00:11:02.120 Yeah, But for a movie that has multiple throat slashings. 207 00:11:02.159 --> 00:11:05.639 It's not real big on subtlety, so I think they 208 00:11:05.679 --> 00:11:08.440 would have been more explicit had they done that. But 209 00:11:08.519 --> 00:11:10.639 I did want to say one thing, which is, as 210 00:11:10.720 --> 00:11:13.279 much as this movie reminded me of Henry, Portrait of 211 00:11:13.320 --> 00:11:15.639 a Serial Killer also reminded me of that Belgian film 212 00:11:15.679 --> 00:11:19.440 Man Bites Dog from the mid nineties. See that's exactly it. 213 00:11:19.600 --> 00:11:23.000 And that film is a faux documentary where they're following 214 00:11:23.039 --> 00:11:26.039 a serial killer and they eventually documentary through eventually starts 215 00:11:26.080 --> 00:11:29.320 participating in the murders. And it was horrifying and I 216 00:11:29.399 --> 00:11:32.679 found it nearly impossible to get through, and I thought 217 00:11:32.679 --> 00:11:35.840 it was an achievement as far as a portrait of 218 00:11:35.879 --> 00:11:39.440 serial killing and an indictment of sort of media. So 219 00:11:39.840 --> 00:11:42.360 that only speaks again to that sort of thirty year gap, 220 00:11:42.360 --> 00:11:45.879 the novelty of it after those two movies thirty years ago, 221 00:11:46.120 --> 00:11:47.559 I didn't know what I was supposed to draw from 222 00:11:47.559 --> 00:11:51.440 this movie. But I will say those animated sequences, they 223 00:11:51.480 --> 00:11:55.879 were very effective. Something about a lonely child makes me 224 00:11:55.960 --> 00:11:57.440 want to crawl under a rock. 225 00:11:57.559 --> 00:11:58.720 It's so affecting. 226 00:11:59.279 --> 00:12:01.639 And don't know if that was them or me, but 227 00:12:02.200 --> 00:12:04.080 they certainly brought it out of me. So I want 228 00:12:04.120 --> 00:12:06.279 to give them kudos for those sequences because they really 229 00:12:06.559 --> 00:12:07.320 those hit home. 230 00:12:07.960 --> 00:12:10.360 I totally agree about Man Bites Dog and it just 231 00:12:10.519 --> 00:12:14.120 that movie gives me the hebgb's, and kind of Reporter 232 00:12:14.159 --> 00:12:16.960 of a serial Killer definitely gives me hebgb's as well, 233 00:12:17.399 --> 00:12:21.120 because of just the randomness of the violence sometimes, like 234 00:12:21.159 --> 00:12:24.519 the whole thing of them pretending that their car was 235 00:12:24.559 --> 00:12:26.960 broken down so they could murder somebody that comes to 236 00:12:27.039 --> 00:12:31.399 help them, Like, oh, that is so terrifying to me 237 00:12:31.600 --> 00:12:34.200 that you would try to help somebody out and they 238 00:12:34.559 --> 00:12:37.159 just started there to murder you. And there were several 239 00:12:37.200 --> 00:12:39.919 other things in that movie. I mean, do I laugh 240 00:12:40.000 --> 00:12:42.799 when he talks about being dressed up in little girl 241 00:12:42.840 --> 00:12:45.440 clothes and stuff? Yes? I laugh every single time in 242 00:12:45.519 --> 00:12:47.759 Henry Porter of a serial Killer when that comes up. 243 00:12:48.279 --> 00:12:52.000 But otherwise it's a really fucking creepy film. And I 244 00:12:52.039 --> 00:12:55.320 didn't really feel that creeped out by this one. The 245 00:12:55.440 --> 00:12:58.840 level of criminality feels very like an episode of Criminal 246 00:12:58.879 --> 00:13:00.799 Minds or sv You or something. 247 00:13:01.639 --> 00:13:04.559 I just never felt anything visceral as far as the 248 00:13:04.679 --> 00:13:07.480 murder's going on. I'm as much as a horror round 249 00:13:07.559 --> 00:13:10.519 as I am if you can create an effect where 250 00:13:10.519 --> 00:13:12.639 it looks like real blood from a real wound, it 251 00:13:12.679 --> 00:13:15.240 will skeeze me out to the point where I look 252 00:13:15.240 --> 00:13:17.480 away at this point in my life. So I didn't 253 00:13:17.480 --> 00:13:20.879 get like even in a scintilla of that here. It 254 00:13:20.960 --> 00:13:24.639 was just like wrote and that was the point that 255 00:13:24.919 --> 00:13:28.240 they're so desensitized, so we should be so desensitized. Then 256 00:13:28.360 --> 00:13:30.039 I think we just needed to relate more to the 257 00:13:30.120 --> 00:13:33.679 characters or something. I'm just looking for some emotional theft 258 00:13:33.759 --> 00:13:36.159 from the movie, and I'm not getting it from the violence. 259 00:13:36.200 --> 00:13:38.559 So I wanted to get it from the characters because 260 00:13:38.559 --> 00:13:41.279 we're supposed to relate to them more, and I just 261 00:13:41.320 --> 00:13:43.960 couldn't relate to him because he's such a fucking weirdo. 262 00:13:44.120 --> 00:13:46.039 And then she basically says nothing. 263 00:13:45.840 --> 00:13:48.440 That for me the framing device of the movie having 264 00:13:48.600 --> 00:13:51.240 it started as a documentary. And then yes, she yeah, 265 00:13:51.279 --> 00:13:54.200 she takes part in it towards the end, again reluctantly, 266 00:13:54.919 --> 00:13:56.919 at least in the one thing that we see, the 267 00:13:56.960 --> 00:13:59.279 one murder that we see her doing, other than the 268 00:13:59.679 --> 00:14:01.440 kind of when we see at the end of the movie. 269 00:14:01.559 --> 00:14:04.879 But I didn't feel like there was enough. And this 270 00:14:04.919 --> 00:14:06.840 is gonna sound weird, but and again, I think it 271 00:14:06.879 --> 00:14:08.600 goes to the visceral nature of what you're talking. 272 00:14:08.480 --> 00:14:09.240 About Father Malone. 273 00:14:09.320 --> 00:14:12.000 Like when I watch Henry Portrait of a Serial Killer 274 00:14:12.120 --> 00:14:15.519 or even Texas Chainsaw Massacred want to take a shower 275 00:14:15.559 --> 00:14:18.159 after him done. There's a grit and a grime to 276 00:14:18.200 --> 00:14:22.080 the movie. The movie makes me feel gross, and there's 277 00:14:22.159 --> 00:14:24.600 none of that here. And look, I understand that some 278 00:14:24.639 --> 00:14:26.720 of his oh he's a very neat killer and oh 279 00:14:26.799 --> 00:14:29.600 he like everything in a specific place, and I get it. 280 00:14:29.639 --> 00:14:32.279 I get that they were going for that. And also 281 00:14:33.000 --> 00:14:35.480 in at Mike, I don't know if you've ever watched Dexter, 282 00:14:35.559 --> 00:14:37.320 I know Father Malone you have, but like in a 283 00:14:37.440 --> 00:14:39.360 like Dexter of it all, there's a little bit of 284 00:14:39.399 --> 00:14:42.159 Dexter here with this as well, where it's like he's 285 00:14:42.200 --> 00:14:44.759 a very neat killer and he has he like he 286 00:14:44.799 --> 00:14:47.480 has to stick to the plan and he has to oh, 287 00:14:47.559 --> 00:14:49.960 he can't use this knife on this person, only this 288 00:14:50.080 --> 00:14:53.120 that there's like these arbitrary rules that he follows. 289 00:14:53.600 --> 00:14:56.360 In having a character with arbitrary rules. 290 00:14:56.200 --> 00:15:00.279 That he's following, it does not hit as hard because 291 00:15:00.279 --> 00:15:03.639 there is the lack of randomness, isn't there, Like you 292 00:15:03.720 --> 00:15:06.519 mentioned Mike with Henry Portrait of a serial Killer. Yeah, 293 00:15:06.559 --> 00:15:09.120 the most terrifying serial killer stories are, Oh, this family 294 00:15:09.159 --> 00:15:10.159 was stopped at a gas station. 295 00:15:10.240 --> 00:15:11.080 These two dudes. 296 00:15:10.840 --> 00:15:13.039 Followed them home and killed all of them in their house. Yeah, 297 00:15:13.080 --> 00:15:16.240 that's pretty horrifying. Like you drew the shittiest card on 298 00:15:16.320 --> 00:15:19.000 the shittiest day of your life and it fucking really 299 00:15:19.039 --> 00:15:22.639 did not pay off for you. And when you have 300 00:15:22.759 --> 00:15:25.879 a serial killer who we effectively understand is not going 301 00:15:25.960 --> 00:15:30.480 to just go murder anybody and everybody, it just sucks 302 00:15:30.480 --> 00:15:32.320 the stakes out of the movie. I'm not saying, oh, 303 00:15:32.360 --> 00:15:34.799 it's just women that he's murdering, but like, in this 304 00:15:35.000 --> 00:15:38.240 movie's kind of twisted and warped sense, it is just 305 00:15:38.360 --> 00:15:40.720 women that he's murdering. That's the way the movie kind 306 00:15:40.720 --> 00:15:45.279 of wants us to internalize it. And I wanted more 307 00:15:45.519 --> 00:15:49.519 of what makes movies like Chainsaw, Massacre and Henry's such 308 00:15:49.639 --> 00:15:52.440 visceral experiences, which is, like you said, Mike, the randomness 309 00:15:52.480 --> 00:15:55.519 of it all being a factor, not this, Oh he's 310 00:15:55.519 --> 00:15:57.840 so meticulous, I don't care. We've seen this a million 311 00:15:57.879 --> 00:16:01.679 times before too. Now, better things in better ways. And 312 00:16:01.759 --> 00:16:03.799 maybe if it had been like Texas Chainsaw Massacre. We 313 00:16:03.840 --> 00:16:06.279 would have been like, this is so similar to other things. 314 00:16:06.320 --> 00:16:10.200 But there aren't enough things like those things out there. 315 00:16:10.559 --> 00:16:13.120 There should be more kind of things that give you 316 00:16:13.200 --> 00:16:15.759 the big ick when you watch it. And that's hard 317 00:16:15.759 --> 00:16:18.080 in this day and age to do that. It really is, 318 00:16:18.360 --> 00:16:21.080 especially in twenty twenty four, when any asshole can go 319 00:16:21.080 --> 00:16:23.679 pick up a camera and put it through some post 320 00:16:23.759 --> 00:16:26.519 pro effects to make shit looks scuzzy and gross. Anybody 321 00:16:26.559 --> 00:16:28.879 can do that now, but when you actually do it, 322 00:16:28.879 --> 00:16:30.639 it can make an impact. This is a movie that 323 00:16:30.720 --> 00:16:32.960 was made that was released that as real people in it. 324 00:16:32.960 --> 00:16:35.799 It needs a little layer of something, some nastiness. They'll 325 00:16:35.840 --> 00:16:38.759 make it look so nice, looks too well shot. 326 00:16:39.279 --> 00:16:42.720 Come on, it is very clean, and the whole dexterness 327 00:16:42.720 --> 00:16:44.759 of it all. I hadn't even thought about that, Chris. 328 00:16:44.799 --> 00:16:46.600 The fact that we got nine season of Dexter and 329 00:16:46.639 --> 00:16:48.799 then a reboot and now a new series is on 330 00:16:48.840 --> 00:16:49.159 the way. 331 00:16:49.320 --> 00:16:50.039 Just once again. 332 00:16:50.159 --> 00:16:52.320 I know I'm echoing my own self here about the 333 00:16:52.440 --> 00:16:55.200 overload of serial killers we've had in the last quarter century, 334 00:16:55.240 --> 00:16:57.879 but it certainly feels that way, and I don't see 335 00:16:57.879 --> 00:17:00.480 the point of the movie in that regard. Think about 336 00:17:00.480 --> 00:17:03.399 that visceral kind of thing that you're talking about, Chris, 337 00:17:03.440 --> 00:17:05.880 like the ick factor, Like, if they're going to not 338 00:17:06.039 --> 00:17:08.799 do the ick factor, then could they maybe have transferred 339 00:17:08.880 --> 00:17:11.359 some of the sadness of the lonely child onto the 340 00:17:11.480 --> 00:17:14.079 character we're seeing. Maybe Perr and her father could have 341 00:17:14.119 --> 00:17:17.119 had a conversation about that that if I'm just going 342 00:17:17.200 --> 00:17:19.359 to follow them and I'm not gonna I'm gonna ignore 343 00:17:19.480 --> 00:17:22.640 violence whatsoever, give me some sort of emotional violence going 344 00:17:22.759 --> 00:17:23.519 on between them. 345 00:17:24.119 --> 00:17:26.960 When you brought up the nineties, Chris, I was wondering 346 00:17:27.000 --> 00:17:30.119 if you were talking about that what I consider golden 347 00:17:30.160 --> 00:17:34.839 age of serial killer films, where it was Natural Born 348 00:17:34.920 --> 00:17:41.240 Killers and seven and Silia which one Silence of the Lambs, 349 00:17:41.519 --> 00:17:45.440 Silence and Lambs. Yeah, Millennium with Frank Black, not the singer, 350 00:17:45.559 --> 00:17:49.880 but the other person Aliance Hendrickson. Yeah, that was a 351 00:17:49.920 --> 00:17:53.799 time where it was almost like zombie films in the 352 00:17:53.799 --> 00:17:56.240 early two thousands, where we were just getting a new 353 00:17:56.279 --> 00:17:58.559 serial killer movie, you felt like all the time. And 354 00:17:58.599 --> 00:18:01.960 then there were also like, Hey, let's do the Dahmer film, 355 00:18:01.960 --> 00:18:05.279 and let's do the John Wayne Gacy film, and just 356 00:18:05.359 --> 00:18:07.279 all of these things that we're coming out to like 357 00:18:07.319 --> 00:18:10.240 straight to video where it's like, all right, yeah, more 358 00:18:10.279 --> 00:18:12.440 of this stuff. That was even back when was it 359 00:18:12.559 --> 00:18:13.880 Jeremy Renner being. 360 00:18:13.799 --> 00:18:19.279 Yeah, maybe Alex Cross movie yea, and yeah you Kiss 361 00:18:19.359 --> 00:18:20.319 the Girls or. 362 00:18:20.440 --> 00:18:25.720 Copy cat Yeah, hey, I'll tell you one that's close 363 00:18:25.839 --> 00:18:28.759 to this as well. And this was earlier though, was 364 00:18:29.039 --> 00:18:33.799 the Hitcher, the Rudger Hower film apples and arnor to the. 365 00:18:33.799 --> 00:18:36.960 Extreme, look the idea of what would happen if we 366 00:18:37.039 --> 00:18:40.640 had a camera crew with a serial killer? Even that 367 00:18:40.799 --> 00:18:44.319 idea this point, I feel like behind the mask the 368 00:18:44.400 --> 00:18:47.359 Leslie Vernon story has come out already that for me 369 00:18:47.480 --> 00:18:50.519 is a pretty high barred across. That's a pretty good 370 00:18:50.599 --> 00:18:53.079 one in terms of this kind of thing. And I 371 00:18:53.079 --> 00:18:54.680 guess the other thing and again to go back to 372 00:18:54.720 --> 00:18:56.480 the framing device of it all, because this is something 373 00:18:56.480 --> 00:18:58.440 I don't understand and I'm trying to figure out maybe 374 00:18:58.480 --> 00:19:01.119 if y'all have a better sense of this. Why is 375 00:19:01.160 --> 00:19:03.079 he having the women that he's going to kill in 376 00:19:03.119 --> 00:19:07.240 these interview portions before? I didn't understand what is that 377 00:19:07.359 --> 00:19:09.640 getting out? Did he know these women ahead of time? 378 00:19:09.920 --> 00:19:13.160 Has even dating these women? I didn't understand that because 379 00:19:13.160 --> 00:19:14.519 some of the women seem to know him, and some 380 00:19:14.559 --> 00:19:15.519 of the women don't. 381 00:19:16.440 --> 00:19:19.160 Yeah, they seem to be mainly from truck stops, which, 382 00:19:19.359 --> 00:19:22.119 as a serial killer, is a fucking insane thing to 383 00:19:22.160 --> 00:19:22.559 be doing. 384 00:19:22.759 --> 00:19:25.319 Yeah, Oh, let's murder the people where we go all 385 00:19:25.400 --> 00:19:25.880 the time. 386 00:19:26.039 --> 00:19:28.440 I think the rest of the trucker nation would figure 387 00:19:28.440 --> 00:19:29.839 your shit out almost immediately. 388 00:19:30.599 --> 00:19:34.640 Yeah, with your it'sious portrait. Yeah, when he goes into 389 00:19:34.680 --> 00:19:38.160 the one truck stop breastroom and there's all the missing posters, 390 00:19:38.200 --> 00:19:40.799 it's okay, I'm guessing we're supposed to feel very chilled, 391 00:19:41.119 --> 00:19:43.400 But it's more what are you doing? Why are you 392 00:19:43.440 --> 00:19:45.640 taking all these people? And why are they if you're 393 00:19:45.680 --> 00:19:50.400 taking them from anonymous locations, they wouldn't necessarily all be 394 00:19:50.480 --> 00:19:51.519 here at the truck stop. 395 00:19:52.119 --> 00:19:55.160 You don't shit where you eat. No, no, No. 396 00:19:55.079 --> 00:19:56.480 That's the whole thing with serial killers. 397 00:19:56.519 --> 00:19:58.880 Rights Like, he's a white male, he only kills within 398 00:19:58.920 --> 00:20:02.000 his like genetic group. He's only killing white people. Yeah, 399 00:20:02.279 --> 00:20:04.000 and he's only killing him at truck stops too. Who 400 00:20:04.039 --> 00:20:07.319 could this guy be a white mid fifties trucker. 401 00:20:07.359 --> 00:20:09.880