Speaker 1: You see, something's going to happen.
Speaker 2: What what's going to happen? I think, what's.
Speaker 1: Up everybody? It is another headless is magical empty mail
Speaker 1: bag with my body and neck. So we decided, since uh,
Speaker 1: there's no new experiences in the mail we're gonna give
Speaker 1: one of ours. So uh, we'll go through our symbols
Speaker 1: and then we'll get to it. So, you know, what's
Speaker 1: kind of interesting. You know, really muted. I think I
Speaker 1: can't hear you.
Speaker 2: Oh no, I know I'm not muted. Good. Oh fun?
Speaker 2: Nothing really that's that's gonna be a problem.
Speaker 1: Maybe it's me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know. I mean I could kind of
Speaker 2: leave and come back this thing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's me. Let me change my settings
Speaker 1: real quick. Wow.
Speaker 2: This is what happens to people when you go live
Speaker 2: unfortunately sometimes. But as I was going to say, I said,
Speaker 2: list is trying to fix this thing. I think like
Speaker 2: one of the first shows we did, I was actually
Speaker 2: supposed to get my experience and never got to it.
Speaker 1: So I hear you, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: What I was saying is I think I was owning
Speaker 2: an experience anyway, from like one of the first shows
Speaker 2: we did. I think we said we're gonna I was
Speaker 2: going to talk about one of mine, and then we
Speaker 2: never did it, so I guess I owe it anyway.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, So first off, we got the triscalion, and
Speaker 1: everybody should know this symbol. It's one of the oldest
Speaker 1: symbols in the whole world. So this was that New Grange.
Speaker 1: They think it's fifty thousand years old. Oh so this
Speaker 1: has the idea of like body, soul, spirit, the whole
Speaker 1: whole kind of trinity thing you can imagine, is put
Speaker 1: into this triscalion symbol. It's it's used all over the
Speaker 1: place in ancient Greek. They decided that it would be
Speaker 1: better as legs since you get the feeling of motion
Speaker 1: from the triscalion, so they referred to Sicily as the
Speaker 1: triscale and they put what's that?
Speaker 2: No, no, what you're saying. I was just like, yeah,
Speaker 2: that's right, definitely. We were talking about that recently. Yeah,
Speaker 2: the three legs. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: Let me see if I can pull up the flag
Speaker 1: of Sicily here.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you got Sicily and what's the other country? Uh,
Speaker 2: there's two of them that have that guy on that
Speaker 2: of course.
Speaker 1: Not well format, but yeah, Sicily and the Isle of
Speaker 1: Man both have the triscalion, and they don't try to
Speaker 1: make any lakes between Sicily and the Isle of Man,
Speaker 1: which is weird. It's like they just decided they liked it.
Speaker 1: I think that's funny about some of these motifs that
Speaker 1: keep repeating over and over again through time, is that
Speaker 1: there's a definite continuity there, and if they actually looked
Speaker 1: at that continuity might reveal something about the nature of
Speaker 1: these things. But since nobody's actually trying to put the
Speaker 1: pieces together between the Isle of Man, which has these
Speaker 1: three night legs, and Sicily, which has the three legs
Speaker 1: and the face of Medusa, yeah, there should be kind
Speaker 1: of something linking these up, right. What are your theories?
Speaker 1: I think it has something to do with the water
Speaker 1: this image.
Speaker 2: Yeah, waters. I would even wonder like maybe a little
Speaker 2: bit of like I don't know so much about the
Speaker 2: Fibonacci sequence, but I do wonder about like I know
Speaker 2: I've said myself, I think gravity sometimes or downward spiral,
Speaker 2: upward spile, something showing some sort of type of energy.
Speaker 2: But yeah, it's interesting. I didn't think about it when
Speaker 2: you first mentioned it. But to go back to the
Speaker 2: triscalion thing, this is really a. I would wonder if
Speaker 2: they're both showing the same thing, and then if there
Speaker 2: is this pre swastika. A lot of people think that
Speaker 2: it's pre swastika.
Speaker 1: I think the Nazis sort of cantidate that forty five
Speaker 1: degree angle to give it more of the feel of motion,
Speaker 1: kind of like the triscalae. They were all about going
Speaker 1: back to the original kind of symbols because they figured
Speaker 1: that had more power in the minds of the people
Speaker 1: who saw it. You know, So picking the swastika, picking
Speaker 1: the triscale, any of these like really really old symbols
Speaker 1: would get people's attention and have them moving in a
Speaker 1: certain direction. And again, it's like that motion here on
Speaker 1: earth that is kind of spiritually motivated, you know. So
Speaker 1: you got the body, soul, and spirit. You know, you
Speaker 1: got the three alchemical principles, which would be the salt, sulfur,
Speaker 1: and mercury. They got Father, son, Holy Spirit. You got
Speaker 1: you know, Ma and woman and Son, you know, Osiris,
Speaker 1: Horus and isis all these trinities you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was even saying before I totally forgot when
Speaker 2: you asked me my opinion on it. I had said
Speaker 2: earlier before the shows, like even the supernal triad, which
Speaker 2: I would even say putting the water as a symbol.
Speaker 2: Like even people are saying in the chat that would
Speaker 2: you know, I was saying, I wonder if the supernal
Speaker 2: triad came from this, because you know it's kind of
Speaker 2: the waters the abyss. There's three of them.
Speaker 1: Right, And there is a form of the yin yan,
Speaker 1: the yingyang symbol that has three in it, and that's
Speaker 1: also called the triscalae as well, so they're all sort
Speaker 1: of pointed towards the middle. And we've also got the
Speaker 1: vulk nut, which is the three triangles that are inside
Speaker 1: of each other. So these sort of triple symbols all
Speaker 1: have something to do with the interaction between matter, energy
Speaker 1: and the spirit. I think.
Speaker 2: So you know what I see people saying in chat,
Speaker 2: and I don't think you said it already. Maybe you
Speaker 2: did and somehow I didn't hear it, But they're talking
Speaker 2: about like the triple goddess and KTE you mentioned the
Speaker 2: medusa head in the middle with the trescallions, and now
Speaker 2: I'm like, yeah, could that be like.
Speaker 1: A interesting Well, Heckuta is a very potent symbol of
Speaker 1: three ways. It said that you if you bring an
Speaker 1: offering to a three way crossing, right, So the devil,
Speaker 1: if you're making a deal with the devil, you've got
Speaker 1: to bring it to a four way crossing. But to Hecita,
Speaker 1: it's got to be a three way. So if you're
Speaker 1: looking into.
Speaker 2: That, she takes a lot to get it convinced.
Speaker 1: Oh god, right, just take out one of the roads
Speaker 1: and then listen out listen for those those dogs because.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yo, that was another thing. Remember when the dogs
Speaker 2: always in pairs of three two, aren't they?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: And what I do like about this symbol too, to
Speaker 2: even tie it into more like kabbalistic like in my opinion,
Speaker 2: the first top three they kind of even if you're
Speaker 2: gonna go one, two, three, I think they all have
Speaker 2: a relationship somehow, and you're seeing that with them all
Speaker 2: connected in this.
Speaker 1: Right, they're they're inseparable at the top, yes, down below
Speaker 1: they're not, you know, I mean they kind of flow
Speaker 1: into each other, but there's different paths. This is to
Speaker 1: try completely unbroken.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I had no idea. This is fifty old,
Speaker 2: fifty thousand years oldest. That's it's impressive.
Speaker 1: Well, you know how they date things, you can never
Speaker 1: really trust it.
Speaker 2: Oh, no, but still, I mean even if it's you know,
Speaker 2: I mean it's an old at shit symbol. I mean,
Speaker 2: how many times you've seen spirals and petroglyphs petri right, Well.
Speaker 1: That's the thing. I mean, it went from all those
Speaker 1: forms of spirals into this form of spiral, and it's
Speaker 1: like it's the completion. But yeah, there's all these spirals
Speaker 1: at the petroglyphs, and usually it's matched up with the sun,
Speaker 1: or with the U or with the equinoxes something like that.
Speaker 1: There's always the spiral associated with the petroglyphs that are,
Speaker 1: you know, pointing to the equinoxes.
Speaker 2: You got people in here even saying now the three muses, uh, consciousness,
Speaker 2: matter and energy, past president future. It's interesting. Yes, indeed,
Speaker 2: so somebody did. Somebody did say, I don't know what
Speaker 2: they mean. I don't know what EP means by taking
Speaker 2: my mailbox over. I mean, just you got people sending
Speaker 2: you crazy message. I mean, you know stories that we
Speaker 2: can use. Sure it's almost not sending them to us,
Speaker 2: but I don't know what that means. And we did
Speaker 2: have somebody I'm.
Speaker 1: Putting the email there too. It's so weird, like I thought,
Speaker 1: it'd be an easy email to remember.
Speaker 2: No, I'm not like trying to break either, but the
Speaker 2: amount of people listen to my show, it's like, Yo,
Speaker 2: not one of you you can fucking send in an
Speaker 2: email like Jesus Christ is thousands and thousands of you.
Speaker 2: Was like, fuck's sake, someone, right.
Speaker 1: I think they just forget the email because you know,
Speaker 1: the word hadless is in it, and the word hadless
Speaker 1: makes people forget for some reason. Yo.
Speaker 2: You know what's interesting though, To tell you the truth,
Speaker 2: I think I actually have him the Occult Research Institute.
Speaker 2: I actually do think it wasn't for this show, but
Speaker 2: I think there was one or two people that sent
Speaker 2: me weird shit in there that I could probably actually
Speaker 2: take you.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I was just thinking about that because I hadn't checked
Speaker 2: the Occult Research Institute email and probably like months, and
Speaker 2: I opened it up and there was just tons of
Speaker 2: shit in there, and I was like, oh, I got
Speaker 2: people like sending Yeah. I think there was a couple
Speaker 2: of stories in there, but like old yeah, say if
Speaker 2: I can pull them out, Yeah, we'll check that out.
Speaker 2: So here's your symbol. Hell yeah, yes, today we got
Speaker 2: this is a little bit of all the one uh
Speaker 2: not as all as tidlesses, but you know I was trying. Uh.
Speaker 2: This one goes back to twelve twenty five. This is
Speaker 2: called the Son of Noss the Great. I do find
Speaker 2: it interesting, you know, as we'll see it can be
Speaker 2: put on gold. But you know, the sun normally is
Speaker 2: associated with six squares and the moon is normally associated
Speaker 2: with nine. So but this is associated with the sun.
Speaker 2: It supposedly came from the book. Please you know, remind
Speaker 2: me trying to pronounce the shit. It's Arabic Sham's al
Speaker 2: mah Araf al kubrah Uh. And that was done by
Speaker 2: Ahmad Abin Ali Abunai, which I'm pretty sure I think
Speaker 2: Lisa actually covered him on the cole Rejecks a while ago. Yeah.
Speaker 2: It was written in a Yubid era Egypt between twelve
Speaker 2: hundred and twelve twenty five see by the Sufi scholar
Speaker 2: mage Ahmad Albuni. His uh surviving autograph is lost, but
Speaker 2: dozens of the thirteenth to the fifteenth century manuscripts still exist,
Speaker 2: so odds are around thirteen hundreds bike correct. For the structure.
Speaker 2: This book comes in the four books and it teaches
Speaker 2: UH like letter mysticism and Quranic magic squares and planetary hours.
Speaker 2: You know, hence the planetary square decigil is a nine
Speaker 2: by nine magic square. Who's rose and columns and diagonals
Speaker 2: all equal. That's like something too to mention with these squares.
Speaker 2: I'm sure I've mentioned on the cole rejecs. I'm gonna
Speaker 2: mention it here. You know, they all all those lines
Speaker 2: are supposed to like keep adding up to the same number,
Speaker 2: and this one you will get a total of three
Speaker 2: sixty nine at the end of everything. So I mentioned that, Umm,
Speaker 2: it is supposedly again in ms is I'm not ever
Speaker 2: gonna try to pronounce that same thing. The classical use
Speaker 2: of the thirteen hundreds casting the talisman, you would copy
Speaker 2: the square on gold during the sun's hour on a
Speaker 2: Sunday when the sun is dignified or Leo is rising preferred,
Speaker 2: there would be an invocation. You would write the nineteenth
Speaker 2: a letter uh Quranic Osmolah would write this letter three
Speaker 2: hundred and six the nine times and then the solar
Speaker 2: divine name yard Ner or o Light while while basically
Speaker 2: burning tons of saffron and frankinsense what you're getting expensive, Yeah, sulffumulgating.
Speaker 2: I fucked that word up, but that's what it said.
Speaker 2: The powers that a you're getting out of what you're
Speaker 2: getting out of this supposedly kingship, honor, bodily, health, and
Speaker 2: liberation from fear. It causes princes to favor the bearer
Speaker 2: and furnishes of an invulnerable armor of light. The placement.
Speaker 2: It's only sewn into a cap, or it's engraved on
Speaker 2: a ring or hung over the doorway of a treasury.
Speaker 2: Ottoman court workshops copied the square onto talismanic shirts for Sultans,
Speaker 2: the Maghribi whoever marabouts etched it on lead drinking bowls
Speaker 2: for healing, and the Hasa and the Yoruba healers still
Speaker 2: painted on on ruggia boards rinsed in medicinal water. You
Speaker 2: do see it show up in sixteen eighty on an
Speaker 2: Ottoman silver mirrorback. It bears the square amid the seven seals.
Speaker 2: It shows up again in talismanic like I said, with
Speaker 2: the Sultans in sixteen ten. Yeah again. It was first
Speaker 2: created in Egypt around twelve to twelve twenty five. It
Speaker 2: is absorbs the soul of light. It's in for authority.
Speaker 2: Health and protection. The Ottomans used it and the you
Speaker 2: know it's been used for Sufi medicine and the Yeah,
Speaker 2: I think that's about it for that's enough enough. Oh,
Speaker 2: let me just go through some of the pictures and
Speaker 2: show you more. If you want to say something, he listen. Yeah, absolutely,
Speaker 2: that would see. That one is interesting because it's not
Speaker 2: the nine by nine. There's another version of it on
Speaker 2: I guess gold how all this this was some reason
Speaker 2: came up when I looked at up.
Speaker 1: But yeah, nice, it was really uh kind of reminiscent.
Speaker 1: Uh knock you. Yeah, I don't know how many squares,
Speaker 1: but like, uh, let me see if I can found it.
Speaker 1: There's so many tables in an Oki and it's just amazing.
Speaker 1: John Doe's showsting. There's the dm ams right sigillum amth
Speaker 1: dam and then there's the big one look for her
Speaker 1: and you know it goes by, it goes by all
Speaker 1: of Do you think the vanishing Ritual of the Pentagram
Speaker 1: is older than or younger than Anaki? Yeah? John d Ooh,
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 2: I know some people have uh actually I think John
Speaker 2: de might have fuck I don't know, may have been
Speaker 2: John d because I know some people have. I think
Speaker 2: some people I know could be wrong, but they kind
Speaker 2: of thought that Albert Pike might have kind of influenced
Speaker 2: the Pentagram ritual. The Golden Dawn was known for doing
Speaker 2: the Pentagram ritual and the Hexagram ritual. Those were kind
Speaker 2: of their things. So maybe, if you want to, obviously
Speaker 2: they might have pulled that from somewhere earlier, but if
Speaker 2: you look at when they started, it was after John
Speaker 2: Dee right.
Speaker 1: Well, in the Enochian tablets, there's the cross down the middle,
Speaker 1: and then there's a cross that way, and then you've
Speaker 1: got the four elements and each one of the four
Speaker 1: elements have their own angelic interpretations. I keep looking for it,
Speaker 1: but I can't find it whatever. Anyways, But yeah, it's
Speaker 1: it's a modic square that's broken down into more magical squares,
Speaker 1: broken down into more magical squares, and in some sense,
Speaker 1: I get the feeling of like, you know, three D rendering, right,
Speaker 1: So you need all of these different squares built on
Speaker 1: like the sounds and these you know, incantations, so that
Speaker 1: you can get the three D model, you know, And
Speaker 1: so it's sort of like building itself in the process
Speaker 1: of you doing the magic, So you know, who's really
Speaker 1: getting used. I think it's kind of a toss up.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So.
Speaker 1: I wanted to bring up my experience with the Amityville Horror.
Speaker 1: So a lot of the people have probably seen the movies.
Speaker 1: Really interesting stuff. I got a original printing of the
Speaker 1: Amityville Horror back when I was a kid, back in
Speaker 1: high school, and my dad's friend said that his cousin
Speaker 1: knew the da Fayos, and so I gave him the
Speaker 1: book and he signed it in there, talking about Ronnie D.
Speaker 1: Fayo and how you know, he was a troubled kid
Speaker 1: and all the rest of this stuff. And then, you know,
Speaker 1: promptly lost the book. But it's kind of interesting that,
Speaker 1: you know, somebody would actually sign this book because you know,
Speaker 1: the murders that took place there were pretty horrific, you know,
Speaker 1: and that was before the Amityville Horror thing where they're
Speaker 1: being you know, chased by ghosts and stuff and having
Speaker 1: the walls bleed. But that whole Ronnie D Fayo angle
Speaker 1: was kind of interesting. And later on I met a
Speaker 1: dude who actually went to the Amityville House and this
Speaker 1: is what he told me. He said that when he
Speaker 1: got back to his house. He was just like overcome
Speaker 1: with this this sickness, right, he had to go to
Speaker 1: the hospital, and then the CDC was called in because
Speaker 1: it had certain characteristics that they hadn't seen before, and
Speaker 1: so they were pumping him full of experimental drugs and
Speaker 1: apparently like they were concerned that whatever he had was
Speaker 1: going to go and become infectious. Wow, and he wasn't
Speaker 1: sick before he went to the Amityville house, and they
Speaker 1: couldn't really identify what he had, So I thought that
Speaker 1: was kind of interesting.
Speaker 2: Yeah, especially like you know, I don't know what to
Speaker 2: think about it. But sometimes they talk about like either
Speaker 2: like like pultageist or even demonic possessions or whatever possessions.
Speaker 2: Sometimes people will get sick or like exhibit like something
Speaker 2: wrong with their skin or their body, like you know,
Speaker 2: almost like lesions. Yeah, bad reactions put it that way.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: Interesting, you know, it's not something healthy, you know healthy
Speaker 2: that you want put it down.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean, is there really even a difference between
Speaker 1: demons and parasites, you know, other than the physicality, you know,
Speaker 1: but they're basically the same thing. They do the same thing.
Speaker 1: They just feed off of you. So for them to
Speaker 1: be causing illness that that doesn't surprise me, especially given
Speaker 1: that it's only recently that we've started associating sickness is
Speaker 1: with germs instead of demons, because usually that's what they
Speaker 1: attributed the sickness to. It's a bad spirit has come
Speaker 1: over them, you know. And it's interesting the way they
Speaker 1: talk about medicine in the book The Golden Ass by
Speaker 1: a Police which second century. They would always ascribe different
Speaker 1: illnesses to the the gods that would be associated with
Speaker 1: the symptoms, right, and so that's how they would classify
Speaker 1: illnesses back then. Oh wow, So I'm not sure what
Speaker 1: that that pig? You know? Do you remember the pig
Speaker 1: in the in the movie, like the imaginary friend turned
Speaker 1: into a massive pig. Well, I imagine that pig is
Speaker 1: probably something pretty horrible to come down with.
Speaker 2: All right, nice, nice, all right?
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So I had a story that I think I
Speaker 2: was offering to tell a long time ago, probably like
Speaker 2: I said, the first the second show be Uh, it
Speaker 2: was a weird experience that I had in my house.
Speaker 2: As you know, I think I was in my teens. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it was definitely at least sixteen seventeen. I will preface
Speaker 2: this right away. I wasn't high, so you can't even
Speaker 2: say that, uh I was I at this point. At
Speaker 2: one point when I was younger, my grandfather was going
Speaker 2: to move into the house with us, and my father
Speaker 2: redid the whole basement for my grandfather turned around and say,
Speaker 2: I changed my mind. So we had a whole finished basement,
Speaker 2: and he was like, I guess if you want to
Speaker 2: take it, you can go down there if you want,
Speaker 2: you know. And I was like playing the guitar and
Speaker 2: I was sudden to get into like, you know, bands,
Speaker 2: and he's like, you know, go down there. It is
Speaker 2: just better if you want to fucking kick and bring
Speaker 2: his trums over and leave him there with them. So
Speaker 2: it just worked out for me. So like now I'm
Speaker 2: in the basement that I always thought, honestly was creepy
Speaker 2: as fucking my house. Anyway, it was like it was
Speaker 2: like one of those basements I've admitted. It's like as
Speaker 2: I was walking up the stairs, I'm looking behind me,
Speaker 2: thinking something's gonna grant, but it told me, you know,
Speaker 2: this is fucking weird, like something's creepy's looking at you.
Speaker 1: I used to hate that feeling.
Speaker 2: Now I love yeah, yeah, you have to talk oppositely. Now,
Speaker 2: I'm like, is this something? Now, let me see, let
Speaker 2: me find out, motherfucker. Uh So yeah. So like I'm
Speaker 2: down there and one night I think I'm just like going,
Speaker 2: I'm laying in bed, you know, I'm going to bed,
Speaker 2: and you know, sometimes my father will like come downstairs.
Speaker 2: You know, no, you know, normal parent. I guess you know,
Speaker 2: need the bust your chops. I want to remind you
Speaker 2: about something, just annoy about some dumb shit. And I
Speaker 2: can hear footsteps coming. I'm like, oh fuck, he comes
Speaker 2: my fucking father. Fuck sakes, It's like late, I don't
Speaker 2: want to hear shit. And I just hear the steps
Speaker 2: and then nothing, and I'm like, oh, maybe I'm like
Speaker 2: hearing shit. And then like I think, I hear it
Speaker 2: again and I'm like, yo, what the fuck? And like nothing,
Speaker 2: You're just like you hear the steps end and that's it,
Speaker 2: and I'm like, nobody's there. And then I started hearing
Speaker 2: it again. I'm like, yo, what the fuck? So I
Speaker 2: get up and I literally go upstairs and I'm like yo, Dad,
Speaker 2: and he's like I woke him up. And I was
Speaker 2: like He's like, what is the problem. I was like, oh,
Speaker 2: I said, I actually thought you were like coming down
Speaker 2: up and down the stairs. I was gonna ask you, like,
Speaker 2: what the fuck are you doing. I thought he might
Speaker 2: have been fucking with me. It's some shit. I don't know.
Speaker 2: It just didn't make any sense. So he he was sleeping.
Speaker 2: I go back to my bed. I hear it again,
Speaker 2: and I'm like, yo, what the fuck. So now I
Speaker 2: hear it again and like at the top of the stairs,
Speaker 2: like it kind of ends like on a I don't
Speaker 2: think there was a carpet right away, still like a
Speaker 2: whatever type of floor. Then eventually the carpet kicked in.
Speaker 2: I would hear the footsteps come down the steps, and
Speaker 2: then it started sounding like floop parents like something stepping
Speaker 2: on the rug getting close to my bed. But then
Speaker 2: I'll like stop halfway and I was like, yo, what
Speaker 2: the fuck. Started hearing it again, stepped the feet coming
Speaker 2: down the stairs or something pat pat pat, and then
Speaker 2: something walking across and like getting closer to the bed.
Speaker 2: Then I started hearing the footsteps coming down the stairs
Speaker 2: over and over and over again, not stopping, and then
Speaker 2: the footprint's going on the floor and I'm like yo,
Speaker 2: I'm like sitting in my bed. Honestly, I'm terrified. At
Speaker 2: this point. I was like, Yo, what the fuck is
Speaker 2: going on? Right now? I'm hearing somebody walk down the stairs,
Speaker 2: and I'm hearing somebody walk across my fucking floor coming
Speaker 2: towards my bed, and I'm like looking and it's like
Speaker 2: pitch black, but like it might have been like one
Speaker 2: red light from my stereo or some shit. So I'm
Speaker 2: just like, Yo, I'm like, I can't really see anything.
Speaker 2: So even if something was, damn, when the fuck am
Speaker 2: I gonna see when it's in my face? And I'm
Speaker 2: just like, Yo, what the fuck terrified? Now? To top
Speaker 2: it off, the fucking top it off, if you want
Speaker 2: to scowl, what the fuck was going on? Somebody trolling
Speaker 2: me and it was a ghost fucking with me? To
Speaker 2: really make the motherfucking shit their pants. Now they want
Speaker 2: to start scraping on the fucking floor around the outside
Speaker 2: of my bed. So now I hear shit coming down
Speaker 2: the stairs, I hear she walking across the carpet, and
Speaker 2: hears some shited around the front side of my bed,
Speaker 2: and shit around the other side of my bad my
Speaker 2: bed's like in the corner of the room and I'm
Speaker 2: just sitting there like, what the fuck is happening. It
Speaker 2: never stopped until I passed out.
Speaker 1: Yo.
Speaker 2: I swear to god, that shit freaked me out to
Speaker 2: where I even had my friend across the street. I
Speaker 2: was like, Yo, you gotta come over tonight and just
Speaker 2: hang out in the room and see if this happens again.
Speaker 2: I can't say that. For like an hour, I was like, Yo,
Speaker 2: I'm out of here. Come on. I'm like, I'm telling you, man,
Speaker 2: weird shit fucking happened last night. I was like, Yo,
Speaker 2: I was. I was like, Yo, it's too weird to
Speaker 2: hear three different things going on. I can maybe I'm
Speaker 2: fucking up one, but you're telling me I'm hearing three
Speaker 2: different sounds that don't exist. I don't know about that.
Speaker 2: It was fucking It was freaky, dude. I'll admitute as
Speaker 2: a kid that just scared the living shit out of me.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, oh man. But yeah, basements are funny like that.
Speaker 1: I think it has something to do. Yeah, It's like
Speaker 1: the energy is kept in in the basement, whereas upstairs
Speaker 1: the energy is more free to flow. But like you've
Speaker 1: got these sort of closed in areas that seem to
Speaker 1: keep in the energy a lot better. I think it
Speaker 1: has something to do with the you know, the doors
Speaker 1: and the entryways to these different areas. We don't treat
Speaker 1: them like other entryways, so it's not sort of the
Speaker 1: same thing. This is where it collects energy.
Speaker 2: I think even my basement was like it was like
Speaker 2: creepy because I had like a crawl space that you
Speaker 2: could go up into and it was all like you
Speaker 2: gotta like fucking literally crawl and then like a one
Speaker 2: end it was like the well room where they used
Speaker 2: to have a well there, so like you literally have
Speaker 2: a door that you can open up. It's got like
Speaker 2: a fucking a hole in the like. It was just
Speaker 2: like an old house and just a weird basement.
Speaker 1: See, this is why I want to go to Greece
Speaker 1: so much, is because I want to be ghost hunting
Speaker 1: at these fucking ancient site of the Esclepion. That would
Speaker 1: be amazing. I can't believe they're not haunted.
Speaker 2: You know, I bet you if you sit there and
Speaker 2: just took fucking photos all night, you'd eventually pick something
Speaker 2: up in the fucking.
Speaker 1: Something Delphi holy shitz.
Speaker 2: Yeah for real. But yeah, that was my ship, my pants.
Speaker 2: Fucking oh fuck. I remember my father was like. My
Speaker 2: father was like, I was probably your mom fucking trolling you.
Speaker 2: That's what my while not trolling you, my dad was like,
Speaker 2: I was fbaly your mom fucking with you because you're
Speaker 2: doing stupid shit right now. I was like, I don't
Speaker 2: want to. Yeah, you'll use anything to make your kid
Speaker 2: fucking stop. So I guess, you know, try to scare
Speaker 2: me with my dead mom.
Speaker 1: But isn't it funny to try it back in? Isn't
Speaker 1: it funny how stuff associated with ghosts usually comes in threes?
Speaker 2: Oh shit, yeah right, try scalion. Yes. I didn't even
Speaker 2: pick that up, dude, it was.
Speaker 1: They say that normally there'll be three scratch marks on
Speaker 1: the body, you know, like when somebody's having something actually
Speaker 1: attack them, and they say it's to mop the father,
Speaker 1: son and holy Spirit. That's fucking weird. But always when
Speaker 1: there's a knocking, three knocks, you know, all these ghost
Speaker 1: things come in threes. It's just it's strange how that happens.
Speaker 2: You know, you know, even us might have something to
Speaker 2: do with it. Even Rebirth of the World. So a
Speaker 2: lot of basements don't have windows, did you see, I mean,
Speaker 2: actually no sunlight coming.
Speaker 1: In Well, you know, they say that doppelgangers are dispelled
Speaker 1: by the light of the sun sopers.
Speaker 2: I don't know. I mean, I'm sure there it's possible.
Speaker 1: I was listening to this crazy podcast about, you know,
Speaker 1: all these doppelganger stories where people will you know, get
Speaker 1: confused with somebody else, or they'll run into somebody who
Speaker 1: looks exactly like them. I think it's way more common
Speaker 1: than people think, you know, because, oh, we even had
Speaker 1: that one story from Ryan from that other podcast. He
Speaker 1: was talking about his doppelganger story where he thought he
Speaker 1: saw his grandmother.
Speaker 2: Remember what show.
Speaker 1: I might have interviewed him myself.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah.
Speaker 1: He was going over a lot of different experiences he
Speaker 1: had had as a kid with ghosts and stuff, and
Speaker 1: one of them was his grandmother appeared in his room
Speaker 1: while he was taking the dog out. So he's looking
Speaker 1: back towards the room, but he sees his grandmother. He's like,
Speaker 1: that doesn't make any sense. How is she here? She
Speaker 1: wasn't there before. And then he comes back inside she's gone,
Speaker 1: and he asks his mom, is grandma here? It's like no,
Speaker 1: It's almost like it took the image out of his head,
Speaker 1: took on the shape and then just disappeared. You know.
Speaker 1: It was like, this is easier for him to look at,
Speaker 1: So we're gonna make it something familiar.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: It could be feeding too, that.
Speaker 2: Is, uh, that's what I think about. But yeah, that was, uh,
Speaker 2: that was my freaking experience. So I think I have
Speaker 2: another one too. I'm not gonna tell a that I
Speaker 2: gotta remember. I think I had like two wanted the
Speaker 2: stories for some reason, I can't remember the other one.
Speaker 2: But yeah, and you know another thing too. I mean
Speaker 2: I grew up again in run Konkama area on Long Island.
Speaker 2: You know, I don't know if it has anything to
Speaker 2: do with it. We always chuck up all those dead Indians,
Speaker 2: so oh yeah, I mean the area that I lived in.
Speaker 2: Every street was named after Indian tribes. I went to
Speaker 2: Cherokee Street school. I mean, fox sakes, it's all Indians.
Speaker 1: Over there, right. Well, did you know that the origin
Speaker 1: myth for New Amsterdam is identical to the origin myth
Speaker 1: of Carthage, Really same beats and everything. So in Carthage
Speaker 1: it was this queen that was running away from tire
Speaker 1: side on. Inm Biblos, she goes to Carthage which literally
Speaker 1: means new city Carthaedge in their language. And so she
Speaker 1: goes to the Berbers and says, I need some land
Speaker 1: from my kingdom. We're runaways, we have to get out
Speaker 1: of here. And so the Berbers threw her a ox
Speaker 1: hide and they said, you can have all the land
Speaker 1: under this ox hide. So she starts cutting it up
Speaker 1: into little strips and she gets the entire peninsula covered
Speaker 1: by the ox hide, and she says, good, we'll take this.
Speaker 1: And so the Berbers were apparently really impressed by her
Speaker 1: trickery and said, fine, you can have it, but I
Speaker 1: have to get married to you. So this is the
Speaker 1: origin of Carthage. Well, in New Amsterdam it's the exact
Speaker 1: same story. All the Dutch come down and there the
Speaker 1: Indians throw them a ox hide and said you can
Speaker 1: have all the land under this oxhide. So they cut
Speaker 1: it up into strips and got the entire New York Island.
Speaker 1: Why would these two civilizations thousands of miles apart, have
Speaker 1: similar origin stories that they just use that occasionally or
Speaker 1: what you know?
Speaker 2: I question a lot of history, dude.
Speaker 1: I think the Dutch of the Carthaginians too. I think
Speaker 1: they were everywhere because they kind of embedded themselves into
Speaker 1: all these different societies, you know, That's what they did
Speaker 1: over and over again throughout the years. And when we
Speaker 1: see New Amsterdam, that's the height of the Dutch sort
Speaker 1: of empire, and it sort of declines after that and
Speaker 1: it becomes the English and the Spanish. Well, the Spanish
Speaker 1: was before the Dutch, all drawn from the same roots.
Speaker 2: I think, yeah, that is interesting that it was that
Speaker 2: same story. That is that's a little suspect. I mean, listen,
Speaker 2: I'm sure the same thing's gonna happen, but it's just like, I.
Speaker 1: Don't know, to come on, well, I mean, it was
Speaker 1: heavily influenced by this bloodline thing. The government of Carthage
Speaker 1: was based around this oligarchical bloodline rule. And so what
Speaker 1: we see is all these families joined the Society of
Speaker 1: Cincinnati and they become like the bloodline rule for America,
Speaker 1: just exactly like they did in Carthage. That's tarted. That
Speaker 1: can't be an accident. I mean, these guys became the
Speaker 1: heads of all the industry in the young Americas, and
Speaker 1: they kept there like the what are they called the
Speaker 1: Weld family. You got Bill Weld, who was the governor
Speaker 1: of Massachusetts and his cousin, uh what's her name, Uh,
Speaker 1: Tuesday Weld. Tuesday She's got all these Yeah, she's got
Speaker 1: all these songs written about her and everything else. And
Speaker 1: it's like that's because they come through that Carthaginian bloodline,
Speaker 1: and I think they're Dutch as well.
Speaker 2: I had some guy emailing me about Tuesday Weld, Yeah,
Speaker 2: trying to sell me some like outland not outlandish, but
Speaker 2: like this whole like weird connection. I mean, I don't
Speaker 2: know it sound like an asshole, but they started telling
Speaker 2: me all this outlanda's ship and I was gonna have
Speaker 2: the guy on until I noticed he said circa a
Speaker 2: couple of times, and I was like, I think I'm
Speaker 2: getting fed bullshit.
Speaker 1: No, Tuesday Tuesday Weld was oh, I know this.
Speaker 2: Person was making it sound like they were friends with
Speaker 2: her and they're involved. Was just like yo kind yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: another just somehow another party of life. Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 2: I was just like I can't, I can't. And then
Speaker 2: like they're like, oh, if you happen to have an
Speaker 2: associate in California, I might be able to introduce you
Speaker 2: to the bros. Is she still around not her, but
Speaker 2: this person that like was the first person to supposedly
Speaker 2: break the story of her being into the occult. I
Speaker 2: don't know. It was just a really weird email.
Speaker 1: The autistic kid. Do you know the story about how
Speaker 1: that broke? This autistic kid was talking on a uh
Speaker 1: what do you call it? A reality TV show and
Speaker 1: he starts talking about how Tuesday Weld did all this
Speaker 1: abusive stuff to him and how she was this high priest,
Speaker 1: this in this ancient druidic order, and it like, you know,
Speaker 1: it's like, what is he talking? And then people started
Speaker 1: checking it out and checking all the dates and stuff,
Speaker 1: and yeah, it matches up with the the fucking Rolling
Speaker 1: Stones writing or writing songs about her and all the
Speaker 1: rest of this ship. So yeah, yeah, that that autistic
Speaker 1: kid who was apparently abused by Tuesday Weld and some
Speaker 1: sort of satanic ritual abuse. And they just caught an
Speaker 1: on camera at this one crazy, uh reality TV show
Speaker 1: about autistic kids, Like what.
Speaker 2: That is wild?
Speaker 1: Yeah, if that's the guy, you should have him on dude.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, well, as long as he shows his face,
Speaker 2: I might try. I don't know. There was just too
Speaker 2: much stuff in there that just sounded like somebody else's
Speaker 2: voice too. It's like I.
Speaker 1: Don't know his name, but you know, if that's the guy,
Speaker 1: like I know the origin story, I heard it before,
Speaker 1: and that's that's the guy that Yeah, he said.
Speaker 2: This person was telling me that they they see him
Speaker 2: like once a month. I think they go to an
Speaker 2: I hoop together and like catch up with some shit
Speaker 2: like that, oh some weird story. And I was just like,
Speaker 2: I'll hit him up it, I'll see, yeah, I'll see
Speaker 2: if you get the original guy to talk to me.
Speaker 1: Right, yeah, get that guy out, because man, some of
Speaker 1: this stuff is just almost too weird to believe. And
Speaker 1: nobody shook this guy seriously at first, and then they
Speaker 1: started checking out the stuff and they're like, holy fuck,
Speaker 1: he's onto something. So I thought that was pretty crazy. Well,
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