Speaker 1: Yeah, hm hm hm east View, isn't it west View?
East Views in the show as well?
Speaker 2: I miss that. Well, welcome to the Agatha Episode one
and two spores of you are I would assume last
MSUE thing of the year unless they do a what
if and you and then that's like you know, other
kid like, oh, it's in the universe, but like I know,
we might get a friendly neighborhood. There might be what
I but I don't think there's another MCU thing. Right,
We're done.
Speaker 1: I think we are done for the year of twenty
twenty four.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So, and we're ending with the most anticipated project yet.
As you can see, there's two of us here. No
Taylor will join in the future in DYLM may or
not be. It's conflicting with some of his Wednesday stuff,
but there'll be a collection of us talking about Agatha
for the next few weeks to see. You know, what's
the last MSU show of the year. Gonna give us
hopefully good stuff, maybe disappointing stuff, who knows, but we're
gonna find out. So, as usual, we're gonna do our
non spoils thought. So if you've there's a ton of
people already on our discratic. Oh I forgot was today
if you are haven't watched it yet and you will
watch it later, or if you are on the fence,
well we will do about you know, ten to fifteen
minutes of nonsports thoughts, our overalls, recommendation here or there,
not here or there. I don't know what that meant,
but yeah, and we got lots of stuff. We did
a great newscast last night that was tons of fun
talking about spiermn for rumors and MAK seventeen trailer, and
we talked about Agatha. Even though you've seen these two episodes,
it's worth to go back to our Agatha predictions because
the chat GPT predictions that Taylor had cooked up. There
were some wild, wild, big budget characters in that story,
so it's worth it's worth a listen to the Penguin one.
Not so much until you get the end credits, but Agatha.
It's a good time. And yeah, lots of good stuff
on the feeds right now. If you're a Marvel fan,
we already got one, but soon in the next by
the weekend, we will have the Fantastic four two thousand
and five version up on Patreon. And then we got
to the nineteen ninety four so that one is exclusive
to Phase two patrons and up soon they'll be after
nine and all that good jazz. Will tell you more
about that later. Yeah, we've got Rings of Power going,
We got Penguin next couple of weeks will be Joker.
Lots of good reviews popping off right now. So mister
Pats are also be tuk about last night, where seems like,
in general our excitement was pretty you know, minor to low.
I would say whether it is because did we like
need a get a show or oh, with all this
stuff we're reviewing and talking about right now, it's probably
lotus on the total pole. So now that you've seen
the first two episodes, has this made you more confident
going into episode three and four? Be like, you know what,
I can give this an affair, Not I give it
a fair shake, but there can be some looking forward
to it. Or are you kind of where you were
when you started it?
Speaker 1: Yeah? I can you know, right at the gate, I'll
just say, yeah, I'm pleasantly surprised. I think so far
with the start of the show. I think the fact
that like I did have such low expectations definitely help
and there's just you know, pun semi intended here. I
think there is some good magic in this show, and
especially just the release time. The show overall feels very halloweeny,
and it's nice that it's not coming out in like
the heart of Halloween, when people are already like full
steam in their fucking Halloween towns or they're Halloween whatever,
you know, other Halloween shows about that. I'm sure there's
a lot of wild people out there that are old
already geting a head start on their Halloween watches. But
it just feels like, you know, this is the last
week of this of summer, We're getting into fall, and
this show it's like it doesn't hit you right away
with the halloweeness. But I think there's like there's a
cool breeze in the air, and that breeze is some
sort of Halloween magic. So I do really like that
aspect of it. Catherine Hawn is just so fucking fantastic,
Oh my god, Like like if she wasn't to the
level that she was at, the show would definitely be
lesser in my mind. She's just such a treat I think,
in like hindsight looking back on just her as an actress,
and like where she's popped up in various various uh
maybe cameos or like side character roles. It's almost like
it's almost like a Channing Tatum level of like like
cameo where it's like right now, I'm just that's like
my favorite. I just love it so much. Shane. I
recently went through Parks and rec again, and she's like
a reoccurring character in that, and she's just so fantastic
and she plays a very different role that she plays
in other things. Of course, there's like stepbrothers. I was
thinking about that scene, so yeah, no she Hey Dan,
let's go Dan Cook pay per view twenty minutes live.
Speaker 2: That's go for my husband's so bad. She's great. She's
again she's like everyone's good in that movie, but she's
she's I guess they're all MVPs, but she's it's just
star making performance in that movie.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and many other roles as like to my point,
and I think in this show, she's just such a
great like pillar to have, like leaning on the charge.
I think there's some side characters not as invested in,
but just having Katherine Hahn like bouncing off of them,
it just makes it that much better. So yeah, like right, like,
I don't think there's enough in the show right now
for me to think of like this is gonna be
in my top tier like MCU shows, and like I
can't wait to rewatch it. I it's really early to
say this, but I feel like this is gonna be
the show I probably won't be like rewatching, but who knows,
but hopefully there is a lot of a lot of
good stuff that does happen later on. But I think
it's mostly just Catherine Hahn is just like lifting the
mid I don't know, because like like the overall adventure
of what we're setting off on I am interested in,
you know, but it's just it's not it's not like
this show is getting me eager for like the next Avengers,
Like it very much feels like something separate at least
right now. But that's not really a bad thing. I
am just enjoying the content for what it is. So yeah, overall,
I'm definitely positive on it, and I am looking forward
to kind of seeing where we're going down this road,
down down down the Witch's Road, and yeah.
Speaker 2: Dwn, I'm singing. The whole entire song went on for
a while yeah, it's it's an interesting scenario, right because
we talked about like this is one of those shows
that's in the era of the green little law things,
and now they're like, well, we're not gonna do that
as much anymore, right, And I've said that I was
worried about all this stuff this show iron hard. I
think there's another one in there where it's like this
stuff an even secret animation to definitely once we saw it. Yes,
by the times, I don't know, but there's these shows
where they kind of feel like they're the the forgotten
ones in a way where it's like, well, this is
a different era of Marvel when it was greenlit. So
I from just and again, I like Catherine Hahn, as
we've talked about many time this podcast. I like the
Agatha character. But I was never like, man, I need
this show. Now. Am I in a situation where I
still need the show? No, like you don't need anything,
but you know, in the sense of like just what
we want for entertainment. But I will say when these
two episodes ended, I was actually interested in, Oh, I
want to see what's next. It's not like and I
haven't caught up on Rings of Power, but it wasn't
like the first three episodes Rings of Power. For me,
it's like I'm just not really invested at all right now,
or this at least I'm not saying as in the
level of that, but you know, I'm not gonna talk
about Agatha first Rings of Power. That's I don't think
comparable in any way, but just in the sense of
the feeling I had where it's like, Okay, I'm curious.
I do think for mainstream audience they probably should have
done three episodes because I think episode two ends with
getting really into like, oh, we're gonna get to some
really supernatural action, you know, sci fi fantasy sort of stuff.
I guess not sci fi but the fantasy sort of stuff.
But then it just kind of, you know in a minorsports,
ends right before we get there, so I think maybe
it could have. But the thing is that's where it
is where I'm not gonna say she she does elevate
to extend, like I don't think this show is like
bad as of right now. I'm like, oh, yeah, it's
shit and it's just Catherine Hall and that's what's all good.
But she's definitely like taking it to a different level,
I feel like because she was in obviously Wan Division,
but every time she's playing like a like a exaggerated
version or even a fake version, right, Like we see
a lot of those in this show. But it's like
the seventies house Why for the Muckle the middle character,
you never get to see Agatha that much, and then
when she's Agatha near the end of one vision, she's
the villain. So seeing what she's doing with this character,
she's to me, every scene hidden home run after home run,
whether it's her facial expressions, whether it's her delivery, even
for the first little bit it's not spoils when they're
like in a fake sort of world, her like dramatization
of what that character would be of like trying to
play it straight but in a comedic way. She is fantastic.
It's the thing that even this show ends up being,
like I'll say a fail, I still could see myself
rewatching less it gets off awful, but just because so
far she's just very entertaining in this role, like she
to me is definitely saving it. I think the show
overall is so far like good, but like we've also
been here before where I feel like even secret Invasion.
Those first two episodes were good, right, it's always it's
always the back half of these shows.
Speaker 1: But for me, that's another example, Miss Marvel.
Speaker 2: Yeah for us. Yeah, So for me, I like the
intrigue where they're going. I think there's some stuff they
I'm not gonna say, uh cut. I think they should
have shifted because these episodes were actually a little bit longer.
I don't know. Did you notice the second episode had
like two titles?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was. I was weird about because there's forty
five minutes as well. I didn't check the run time
as the first one, but it felt longer.
Speaker 2: And it was around the forty minute mark because when
you said there, I'm like, yeah, it's about that. And
then when I looked at I'm like, oh no, I
lied at Kirklands a little longer.
Speaker 1: My second one started it said forty five minutes. I
was expecting like an episode break, like I thought it
was gonna be two different things going on or sorry
too mini episodes broken into.
Speaker 2: And I don't know where it would have broke per se.
But that's why I was wondering of did they was
episode two, episodes two and three put together, and they
just felt well, you know, they were maybe trying to
space out for content at one point, but because I
don't think that episode split up, I think that would
have been even worse. So it's just better to get
this so so far. Like I said, I think the
show's good. I like the intrigue, I like the character
that they've introduced so far. It's a supporting cast Aubrey Plaza.
At some point in this cast, we have to do
like a you know, male female, non pro or non binary,
whatever you want to go by. You have to do
a like a list of the top ten actors that
could just put off like sex appeal, and Aubrey Plaza
is like she's in that list with like a bullet,
you know, She's something that she just gets on the
screen and just like everything else is now the horniness
is raised up and she has good chemistry so far
with Catherine Haunt, and I like what they've done there.
But I like the little cat and mouse game. But
at the same time, because I know Aubrey plais is
something where it's like, well, of course the show is gay,
that's what I'm doing. It's like it's that thing of
like it's still Marvel Disney so it's like they're alluding
to stuff, but you can see there's like a line
where they're they're not gonna go even though we saw
like a Myners boy, we saw like a nude female bottom,
and I tried to think about them, like, I don't
know if we've seen that in the MCU. You know,
we've seen men male like a thor and stuff, but
have we ever just seen like ash cheeks a lady
And I don't think so.
Speaker 1: I could be wrong, but I think bare ass cheeks
like probably some cheeks.
Speaker 2: Of course the cheeks, yeah, but never Just so, I
think the show and the showrunners they're trying to push
it as far as they can to kind of be set.
They're trying to be sexy in a Marvel MCU Disney world,
and that's very tough because I feel like they probably
got a lot of limitations, but they're trying their best.
So I'm liking some of the interactions. I like the
I won't say mystery, but like the McGuff and what
we're doing. I like the mystery with one character. So yeah,
so far, I'm I'm really enjoying it. I again have
to see what happens, and I will obviously, you know,
lean into my bias that I'm a horror guy. So
the you know Midnight Suns, what we got with WandaVision,
some other you know, doctor Strange. I do want Marvel
to get more into supernatural stuff, and I like the
concepts that they're throwing out here. So for me, especially
like you're saying it's Halloween time, I generally like that
stuff a lot in just other medium Like my favorite
John rather than Superhero is horror. So maybe that's why
it's like easier for me to digest, but easily it
is Catherine Hahn that is like raising it to a
level where, Okay, I'm wanting to watch this every week
and be hopefully entertained. But I just right now, the
way she's like operating, it feels like I'm gonna be
entertained no matter what the rest of the show could
end up being shpited around her, but I don't think
she's gonna be shit. And I'm actually just liking the
character overall right now because I feel like she's the protagonist.
But they didn't like make her be some uber good
girl turn like she still kind of seems like an asshole,
like villainus in a way right, which I think sometimes
that can be the issue when I think they did
that well with Loki too, where okay starts off where
they should still kind of have some of their villain tendencies, right,
and then maybe transition into But yeah, no, I'm surprised
that I'm liking it. I think, like you said, though,
I don't think it's like for me. I don't see
this like cracking the top like twenty like. I'm fine
if it's just like a solid, good time mid pack
MCU like, that's a fine thing for me. I don't
need everything to be no way home or endgame like.
That's fine. I don't need to be civil war. I
can still be happy with like a seven out of
ten project. And if this the next episodes, I can't remember,
I think it's eight or nine. If they can stay
this quality, I'll be happy by the end of it.
If it's just like a fun little venture with some
mc illusions, some magic, maybe setting up a two thing
here or there. Perfect call me, you know, call me,
don't call me Shirley, call me happy. That's all I got.
So anything else, No, the Witch is wrong. All right,
We're gonna get into it. So if you're not seeing it,
sounds like I guess we both recommend it, which I
wouldn't have been saying, not that I think I always
said that I didn't think the show was ever gonna
be like maybe awful, but I had no excitement for
But I'll be curious to see what Taylor thinks next
we can deal and when we get them on at
some point, to see what people are thinking. But that
seems to be the general consensus is like Katherine halln Man,
she's she's delivering here. So we will take our first
ad break and then we'll be right back. We are back.
So they had shown this, I think in some of
the trailers and everything. But how did you feel the
first episode primarily being Agatha in a fake true detective
type of you know, drama, HBO drama. How did you
feel about that?
Speaker 1: Yeah? I was intrigued for sure, especially like I love
the opening how it just like showed like the characters' names,
not actually like the actors, Yeah, the makers of it's
like the Danish vendevulge, whatever the hell it was.
Speaker 2: I like that.
Speaker 1: I kind of chuckled and it just kind of show
me glimpses of like WandaVision again of just how weird
that was, and I I was enjoying it, but I like,
while it was happening, it's like, are we really just
doing the WandaVision thing where there's gonna be like a
whole season of her just kind of figuring out and
then right at the end of that same episode she
comes out of it, and I like, it's weird because
I'm really torn on this because like I did enjoy
the actual content, but then once it's just like, oh,
like that's not what's happening, and it's a quick reveal
in that same episode, it's like do I even do that?
You know, like like like why play the charade if
it's just like if I can see like kind of
the trick already happening. It was really special in Wanda Vision,
not just because it was the first time it happened,
but we really had no idea what was going on,
but like we're like it just it seems like we
were getting like really obvious hints of like oh like lately,
I can't even think of an example right now, but
like like they're just using like a witch terminology or
like like like like it's just so obvious that like
this is a mind trippy moment for for Catherine Han
and like she is in West View, so I think
it's just like it's almost like a magician doing like
another trick, even though like I've already seen it before
and I've seen it explain through WandaVision. So but at
the same time, I also like seeing Catherine Hawn like
like in that role and and some of the characters that, Like,
I love the sequence between her and Aubrey Plaza in
her office. I thought that was fantastic. But by the
end of the episode, it's like I'm curious if by
the end of the show, like after the finale, if
I look back and like, why did we waste that
episode when we could have spent more time on the
actual content of like down the Riches Road and and
stuff like that. But as of right now, I would
definitely say I'm very in the middle on it. Uh,
what about you?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I would keep this stuff, but it's tough,
but I say, like cut it in half and maybe
not just like take out stuff because that's something I
didn't mention and I don't think he did either. In
the non splores. It definitely does. Even though we don't
have Vision or Wanda. It feels like a sequel to
Wanna Vision. They have other than them, and like, of course,
I guess there's like the Shield Asians and Darcy. But
there's tons, tons of all the Westview characters that will say,
where did it say? East View? I missed that? Then?
Where why did it? Where? Where did it say?
Speaker 1: Sue? I think they go back and forth from West
U and East U. I'll uh, that's we're gone, I'll
pull it up. I think definitely him has to.
Speaker 2: I'll believe you.
Speaker 1: I just wish I had an obvious example of it.
It's like multiple times, but but and and teen, that
guy he like teen, He says that like before. I
think it's the second episode actually when he's explaining that,
when he's explaining like like his.
Speaker 2: Orange teen, Okay, I was like, who the fuck are
you talking aboutn't.
Speaker 1: Say his name right? Every time he says his name,
it like mutes him. And then when he's explained his origin,
he says, well, I'm from Eastview and then it just
like cuts out. So multiple multiple times.
Speaker 2: But okay, there we go. Now right, we will refer
to him as teen for now, so but we'll go
with that.
Speaker 1: This is his name on IMDb.
Speaker 2: It is okay, I didn't know that that's fair, and
they never say his name in the show for obvious reasons, but.
Speaker 1: She calls him teen Dean.
Speaker 2: Let's go. Yeah, I get, I get. I thought she
shows with some other sort of name, like pet name
for him, but that was like degrading. But anyways, so
but yeah, they it feels like a successor to banda Vision.
Of course, like I said, A Vision and Wanda are
not there, but Westview plays a big part off Siegatha.
But all those towns people come back. So I do
like seeing that. I like in this whole true detective
world where you know, one guy's a f you know
he's a sergeant, the other guy is like Dottie's working
at the live ear. I like that. But I think
you could have just taken each scene and shortened it
a little bit, because I do like that connection to
one A Vision. I do like it feels like, Okay,
this is all in the same world. It's not just
okay Atha Boom breaks his balance, she's off. So I
like theirs because the show does end in a way
where she's set to live in Westview, right, so it
should make sense that she's kind of having to be
around some of these people. So I really like ask
that aspect. I just don't think the whole episode. I'd
say the episode's like, I don't know, because how does
episode one end? Like, what's the last thing that happens
in it?
Speaker 1: She's in her home, Teen is in the closet, and
then oh my gosh, like some something like she like
looks at something and then says a comment, and then
it ends. And then the start of episode two is
her in the house talking to Teen.
Speaker 2: Oh right, she fights I'll be plaid in the episode
one though, right that happens? Yes, yeah, okay, so that's
kind of the ending. Okay, So to me, that's the
thing where I think you don't need I think there's
a couple just edits I would make this episode. But yeah,
I liked the concept. I think it just went on
for too long. I guess to say short and sweet
that they should have kept at short and sweet. I
think whatever, if the screen time was seventy five percent,
I think it should have been maybe a fifty to
fifty where Okay, if this episode's forty minutes make twenty
minutes of the detective stuff. Maybe I'd have to clock
it and see when it switches over, because there is
some those moments in One Division right where it's the
same thing a you know, quote unquote show is happening,
but something's breaking reality, something is happening where you're okay,
this is not off all like you said, you know
some of the wordplay. Even Aubrey Plaza, many times she'll
stay stuff like oh, this is really what you want
to be doing right now, and there's like, yeah, I
want to go in the case, and then Aubrey Plaz
like switches back to the detective character or the FBI character,
which I really like. So I like those moments. I
think it just was eventually like okay, I think we
kind of get it. I do like the her climbing
back to be Agatha, like going through all the outfits
from Wan Division. I think that was a fun scene.
And I like them using all the dead Audi illusions
to that being wand of like you know the date
and they say, oh, well you know where she fell. No,
she was crushed. And I really like what she's talking
back and forth with the cop at the beginning, it's like, oh, yeah,
she's dead for sure, surely, and then yeah, there's no
coming back from that. It's like they're really hitting you
over the head of like it's almost a Deadpool winkie
way of like yeah, we know one is not dead,
but like they are in a way trying to, I
don't know, give a wink and nudge like yeah, we
get it. But for the story, she's gonna be dead.
And even then, it doesn't look like Wanda right now
is gonna play much into it. That's just the setup
for getting Agatha out of there. So that's where I
am where I enjoyed it, but I could maybe I
would enjoy this more if each episode was an hour,
you know, but it's yeah, right now, they're both longer.
At least they're forty but we've all said that with
Marvel two, where all these are a bit longer, and
then come episode five it's like twenty three minutes, like
what the fuck's going on? So yeah, I could have
used a little less, but I still enjoyed it.
Speaker 1: So yes, agreed, What do you.
Speaker 2: Think of the actual Agath again now? And then a'lbrey
plaza So far as I don't think they've named draw
Rio Yeah, yeah, Rio, Yeah, And I think that's I
think she's gonna be somebody.
Speaker 1: Else there but interesting, okay, the black Heart whatever she is, yeah,
I I, I mean yeah, I kind of I think
I touched upon this in my spoiler free section of
just like the actual plot of what's going on of
like her trying to get the power back and finding
these which is going down this this which is road.
It's not it's not like the most interesting thing by
any mean, like that sounded really harsh to way have
said that. It's not like my top tier favorite MCU
maybe storyline to follow, but yeah, for this story, like
I I actually really like it. I like that it's
not some big world ending type situation that like interferes
with projects that have kind of already happened, because maybe
on the timeline of that, like this is set right
after Wanda, like right like like if I'm thinking about.
Speaker 2: What, I don't think so they three years, right they
because they said, yeah, they said you've been here for
three years. So I guess technically that Agava has been
there for a while and one has been dead and
Multiverse Manness came out in twenty twenty so they're like
a year ahead in twenty twenty five, so yeah, they're
saying it's three years after that.
Speaker 1: So okay. Yeah, So it's it's close to at least
to the common timeline, the modern timeline, what's going on.
But I don't know, Like I do like that the
adventure is kind of adjacent to the overall story. I'm
curious how it's gonna end of kind of like what's
going on with Agatha going forward, just just for the
future of the character and Katherine Hans's inclusion in the
overall MCU. I don't think she's gonna like die at
the end of this, and I don't think she's just
gonna like retire. I think that would be weird. Who knows,
maybe maybe they could write the story in such a way.
But like even just the fact that we have this
project right now makes me think that like she could
be seen at least some point going forward. I think
you kind of touch what But it's just it's funny
like the era of mc where like they just announced
all these shows and some of these shows aren't happening.
And when I started this episode, I was like just
thinking to myself, like this is so strange actually, like
this show is actually like still happening, just just because
of what's been going on, you know, in the last
few years with the MCU. But yeah, getting getting back
to your question at hand of just the overall mystery
story of how she's gonna get her power back. I
am invested in it, and I think it's really intriguing
obviously for Catherine Han, but also just for Agatha as
a character. I don't know too much about her. She's
a Marvel snap card, you know, other than what I like.
Speaker 2: Experience, I guess the Connoisseur either, So.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like like obviously Wanda Vision, but like Midnight Suns,
like she she has a like a role in that game,
which is fantastic. But I really don't know too much
about her, and I think just the fact that she
is like such a wild card of a character. It's
it's showing already in these first two episodes of when
they're doing like the little Seance Rachel whatever you'd call it,
and she just like one another which is like calls
her out that like she didn't even want them here
in the first place, like she is just egging them on.
And then she just like admits it. It's like, blast me,
you bitches.
Speaker 2: I love that.
Speaker 1: I love that line. But I like how she is
kind of a wild card, and even us following her
as our protagonists, we don't we don't even know her
full motivations or what she has planned, and that makes
it exciting and intriguing. And obviously you have some spooky
stuff going on there in the background that I do enjoy,
and even just the overall look of the road, I'm
I'm I don't know how much time we're going to
be spending there over all on the show, but it
looks good on this first appearance when they tiptoe down
the trail.
Speaker 2: I hope we spend most of the time, like I
would like, Yeah, other than the finale, even the fnale,
Like it's like, I hope it's not to like so
we can use the volume, but like I want it
to be, you know, you sparingly, but yeah, i'd like
it's like that puts it aside, like I could see
them midway point they get out of there, But I
feel like you can add in from the train when
we saw demons and monsters and stuff. Hopefully with each
stop you can add something along the way. But yeah,
like you said, that's the thing where it's like, yeah,
if i'm ranking my top storyline mcguffins, I'm like, oh,
when Agatha went down the road. But for me, as
I've said before, I still prefer this in these type
of movies because I don't want if this gets to
a point where it gets to the road and then
at the end it's like we have to stop, you know,
so and so on it's gonna tear the ever you know. Yes, yeah,
there's gonna be a wormhole and all the teams are
gonna come on the shore. We're like, no, I don't
want that like this and tim where Yeah, it should
just be about hey, this show's about Catherine Hall and
playing Agatha and that's going well and she wants to
get her powers back done, like make the conflict with
the characters with that, I don't need it to be
even if you want to go the greater mcu of
you know, finding Wander some minutes, not sure, but I
don't need that with Especially the Disney Plus shows to me,
should never ever be world ending scenarios. To me, those
should be like the the fun tie ins the comics
where you don't have to read them, but it helps
a lot. Like I've always said before that there's gonna
be tons of people that saw Endgame and then they're
gonna see the new Captain America movie and they never
need to show to They never needed a television show
to realize that. Like Sam's Captain America's endgame was he
got the shield and he's like, I'll do my best.
You don't need an origin for that, but I like
that it's there, right, And even then they never got
to world ending things. It's just like, oh, these terrorists,
so I like that as a motivation for her. I
like the other characters they gave them again very just
like it's a trope of we meet character, they say no,
and it's like, well, because of this, X, Y, and Z,
you should do this, Like each character has a reason
like well, I guess I really need it, Like I
wish one of them was just like, yeah, I'm in
because I really would like to get this power. But
all of them were getting their arm twists. Oh right.
It's the classic, very cliche heist thing where the girl
says like, don't I'm fine doing my products. They're like, oh,
you've a lawsuit. It's like, alright, that's the stuff I
don't need, Like it's just like it's But that's fine
because the show's a bit more comedic, and I think
again that Catherine Haughnan has had chemistry with all these people,
and so far, I like the other witches. I really like.
I can't remember her real name, but obviously the Month
and the seventy show. Yeah, because I was wondering. I
knew she was in the show. We saw our trailers,
but I was like, okay, how does this happen? And
the idea is okay, she doesn't want to bring in
an actual green witch, which is I would presume what
Aubrey Plaz was supposed to be, right, So she brings
in Kitty, who is like a gardener who they did
it in Cannon Whi. It's her husband that she had
and Wanavision has passed away, so she's just a lonely
widow just looking for a girl's night, looking to hang out.
And for me, that's where sometimes in shows movies, I
could see somebody like, oh, this is gonna suck for me.
I'm like, oh, this has fun stuff written all over,
because she is no idea what they're chanting everything but
she still chooses like even any of this says like,
all right, have your other like you shouldn't are getting
off the pot. She said something else more specifically, but
it's just like yeah, like are you just gonna jump
in and join us on this magical venture or go
back home? And she's got nothing to lose. She's a widow,
she's bored. Yeah, sure, let's come along. And that's great
that a'll leave their shoes there. So I'm I'm liking
the setup where we got there and even the uh
I can't remember her name, but the one my favorite
origin of the maybe kitty, but is the girl that's
going there because Agatha. To me, this felt more right
where her mom walked the Witch's Road and that was
the last time she's ever heard of No one knows
what happens to her. The daughter originally says no, and
she goes, well, you know, if you don't do that,
you're never gonna find what happened to your mom. I
like that more than oh there's a law suit or
oh you're not making much money off your fortune telling readings,
Like I would have been fine with one of those,
and there's really only two. So it's not that bad,
but I just felt it was like a little rinse
and repeat, like that's all we can think of, is
like a money sort of thing. But I like that
origin of a character being like, hey, don't like Agatha,
I don't even want the power. I would just like
the opportunity to find what happened to my mom. And
I hope they continue that through line every episode. Maybe
it's just like a little bit added. I don't need
like the full episode dedicated to it. But that was like, Okay,
I can buy this of a character. Yeah, that's something
where it'd be the same thing like in real life
if someone goes missing, that would nag at you forever, right,
and this is your chance to get that answer. So
for the most part, they give a little origins and
he just wants to go for he has abilities, but
he doesn't have power. So I was very confused on
that origin kind of point. It was weird because like
he could break one to spell, you can do these things,
but he's say, but I don't actually have power. But
it's like to me, that would be a power. You're
almost like a defensive sort of power, but like you know.
Speaker 1: I am really curious of just who this character is.
I think they did a good job at the mystery
aspect of it.
Speaker 2: You weren't on the when we did the predictions. You
were on the you weren't on the portion when I
spoiled who this character was, right, No, okay, because I
won't say it. I won't say it. Yeah, Dylan and
Taylor didn't know, and I thought it's been like a
known secret and even some people like we've talked about
this jeway like it's just like for us, it's like no,
but I'm not gonna say anything. But it is like,
uh like I think will be in the end up
being an important character.
Speaker 1: So awesome. No, that's exciting. I like, how do you know?
Speaker 2: It was just because to No, it's just that when
he got cast, it was pretty much it's this character.
And then they're doing the thing like well that no,
I don't know who that is, so I'm just playing
this character. It's like yeah, right, like but it's definitely
a certain character.
Speaker 1: This is where it's it's nice to be, you know,
Ignorance is bliss. It's like when you you you don't
watch a trailer for for something and then you go
into a line and it ends up being a good movie.
You're you're surprised, so I, yeah, hopefully I'll stay clear
of any spoilers. And that's sense because I think for
the show wise, like if if you're like me and
you just jump in without knowing you, I think they're
doing a good job of just building up the anticipation
of who he is, because, yeah, I am very intrigued
on who this character is.
Speaker 2: Because it doesn't even matter who he is. It's like,
why can't he's like what sort of spell or enchantment
or whatever is around him that he can't say because
he asked for his name and then he tries to
say that and then they you know, it gets blurred
out twice, and then even his whole origin. It's just
like Agatha has like ringing ears and can't hear anything
when he's talking about worries from his family, everything like that.
So I'm like that any sort of information, I'm curious
to see what's gonna happen if another character asks him this,
like is this just for Agatha or is everybody in
this world? If he's asked, he can't, you know, and
he doesn't know any better, but he can't say where
he's from and even then we saw like in episode
one Aubrey Plais was there to she said just to
her like it's a weird thing where she kind of
maybe wants her back, but then she wants to hurt her.
But even Katherin Hant says like, oh, you can't kill me.
I guess she says there's a rule again, SAP. So
clearly I'm not sure whether it was Agatha or someone else,
she's putting some spell and chapping on herself that Aubrey
Plais's character as of right now can't kill her. So
it's the same thing. I'm like, Okay, who and why
put this thing onto the teen? I almost said the
character's name said to this teen? And why does he
not even know about?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 2: Because it's not like a thing where he's like, oh,
I'm trying to tell people who I am, but they
can't hear me. He has no idea. He just thinks
as taking in all this information about is that it's
not the truth.
Speaker 1: So yeah, where else do you? Uh? Deborah Joe Rep
that's her name, by the way, what's your last name?
Are U? P? P?
Speaker 2: Yeah? What do you think? Atmosphere of her at the
end is she gonna get powers.
Speaker 1: I think it's possible.
Speaker 2: I think I think you would assume, right if you
make it. And yeah, and all these other characters their
whole pitches like I'm either going to be more powerful
or get my powers back at the end. So it's like, well,
you know, especially.
Speaker 1: If she's like a gardener, it'd be fun if she
kind of gets you know, green powers, like how she's
supposed to be filling that role. It would be it'd
be fun if if that ends up being the case.
Or she could just die too, I guess, like fucking
a VP requiem just sure a kinned in the hallway.
Speaker 2: Like she doesn't have a husband waiting for he or anything. Right,
So it's not like if she dies people are gonna
I'm sure some neighbors will notice, but like they those
neighbors are fucking weird. They're just like, oh, you're pretending
like you had a true crime kick and we were
just playing along with you. It's like, what the fuck
does that even mean?
Speaker 1: Like, you know, I did like the scene when Cather
Haun's out there just fully nude and like just like
the neighbors like reaction everything that's going on. It's so
when she's just like she's like annoyed of it, and
she like knows.
Speaker 2: It's like, oh, there's the jeweler.
Speaker 1: Yeah, she's great.
Speaker 2: And I want to mention this before you go, because
I'll probably forget it. They did mention that they don't
speak one is name at Westview. It's like, you know,
the I thought they did.
Speaker 1: I thought they I thought they did win. Uh Deborah
Joe reup. She because because because uh, I'm on first
name art.
Speaker 2: Or something like that, right, she calls her by her
WandaVision show name.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then she's like, oh, like like that was
a one, like that was what Wanda gave me.
Speaker 2: But remember when she was talking to her cop buddy
at like with the first guy when she's naked, and
she's like, oh, well, I don't say that. We don't
say that name around there. So yeah, exactly, the house
is still broken down burnt there, and there's like a
you know, spray paint evil Witch and then her logo
and stuff. So I want to bring that up that
the town still uh Wanda still has a presence there
in a sense.
Speaker 1: So yeah, for sure, you just reminded me of the
sequence when she's still in like the cop dream world
and she's in the library and she looks like the
like the burnt stack of books and just like that
guy's behind her. That was actually like such a chilling
sequence that there was a couple freaky moments that that's
how happened so far in this first two episodes, and
I hope they stay on that because I think it's
it's it's like a goosebumps level of horror in my opinion,
which you know, like I was watching with Shane. She
was getting a little freaked out with the what do
they call the Salem Seven. I'm assuming that's what they are,
the creatures that are chasing her. But it's like a
nice level of horror that fits with just the Marvel
brand and and like just just what the show is
doing so far. So I did like it. Obviously I
can handle a little bit scarier, but I think for
what this is and like because it's not just like
jump scares and like a really terrifying horror, like I
think it fits on that like fun aspect of a
Halloween movie or project or show or something like that.
So yeah, I like all that stuff.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I like the Seven. I think the like a
fun bad guy. You know a thing that'll pop up
a bunch throughout the show. It ties to the first
or ties to wan vision, right, because she took out
the whatever, the sale or that whatever. They showed that
whole thing where she sucked up their powers, which I'm
not sure in Wanda vision if they said this, but
at least for me confirmed that she can't stuck up
their powers unless they blast her. I guess she can't
just like take them. I think we kind of I
think you could see that visually. I just don't know
if that was like outright said in the show. So
it's kind of good to have to confirm because at
first the which is where at least one of them
wasn't gonna work with them because they couldn't tust He's like, well,
she had to like show her hand of like, well,
I actually can't take anything from you unless you blast me.
So as long as you don't do that, like I'm
kind of stuck. So which I thought was like that's
why I like I gufa at times in this episode,
and this is a pause of was giving those Jack
Sparrow type of vibes were very like, very confident, very egotistical,
but the end of the day kind of kind of
be a little pathetic and has to show their hand
to maybe make a deal or something right, And that's
where I I would come in very hot, but it's like, well,
you still need to come and to get this thing
going if you want to go down the Riches Road, right,
which they did say she had been down before, which
again I don't know if that's something they'd send wand
a vision, but it's like, okay, that's a because she
knew right way to take the shoes off. So I
think that's kind of interesting because she can be the
guide throughout that we don't have to meet hopefully some
exposition character, which I thought, that's what the I didn't
mind it, but I thought the Aubrey Plaza scene in
the middle, where's she finds teen in the clause and
she like, well, if you're here, that means and then
the house starts to shake and Aubrey Plaza shows up.
For me, it just felt like two things of One,
this show has not had a lot of actions, so
let's throw a fight scene in here, and then two,
Aubrey Plaza is gonna give us everything of like you
don't have your powers. This is how you could get
it back. Salem's Lots cut like the Salem's Seven, Like
I think there was maybe a couple other ones, but
just felt like, okay that it is needed. I wish
there was just maybe like a more natural way because
and then Aubrey Plazz just goes away because she can't
apparently hurt her. So it just felt like I wouldn't
find if she disappeared until like clearly Plaza's coming back
later on the show, So I wouldn't find for that
fight scene not to happen. But I get why they did.
I just wish there was maybe another way around it.
Speaker 1: I don't know, No, I think I'm gonna agreeance with you.
I think that sequence was a little bit weak for
me overall. I just like, I don't know if you
have Aubrey just kill her right there, like that's just
the end of the show the show, So I get
why that doesn't happen, but like she just has her
like deads to rights and she clearly like wants to
kill her, and then it's just like, don't you want
to kill me when I'm more formidable and my power's back,
and it's like okay, well, Salem seven, we'll get you,
so I'll just be out of here. It just it
was weird because it seemed like she was fully intent
with killing her until she said that, and it's like, oh, yeah,
maybe I could leave you alone. So to me, it
like makes the real character, which is Audrey Audrey Aubrey,
Oh my god, is it Aubrey or Audrey? Okay, I
had a mental moment there, like like it just makes
that character a little bit dumber in my mind.
Speaker 2: Well that's why I wasn't sure was it that or
was it because like she says, it was against the rules.
So because you're right that she said the whole like,
oh you want me at my full strength, So I
was more fine with it. Of okay, if there's some
enchantment she can't kill yeah, so that makes sense. But
the whole that's such a lame blot of like, oh,
you want me your best but it's like no, like
I would just want to kill you. It's such a
it's such a plot armor for our main character.
Speaker 1: And like, I think you can have the same scene
and she just pops up there and just like this
is a warning the Salem set coming for you like
watch Out and that's that, you know, like like nothing
else more.
Speaker 2: And the fact that she's powered ath is not like
if it doesn't have a near power. So it just
feels like I'll be planted. Like she couldn't even like
win like a like a tussle with her, like it
was like an even match for until the end, it's like, well,
I feel like you should pop off and be whipping
her around, even if she would have had her dead
to right to be like, hey, I could have killed you,
because she did say in that episode, I guess it goes, well,
you don't have a heart. She goes, well, I do
have a heart. It's black and it beats for you.
So it's like, Okay, they're insinuate. They insinuate multiple times
that they were a couple in the past, insinuate that
they still feelings for each other. You could have just
done that where oh she couldn't bring herself to do it,
but you know someone else will like I don't know.
There's just like multiple avenues that I think they could
have went that felt more clean than what they did,
which just kind of got convoluted there.
Speaker 1: And I agree, Yeah.
Speaker 2: But even though plaus is great. That's thing, Like she's
one of those actuals that like raises the uh, the
quality of a signific even if it's subpar. And I'm
interested to see where that all goes with those two.
Speaker 1: So and just like what her inclusion is going to
be going forward, because judging from the trailers, it's not
like she is this you know character all in black
with Daggers that's like trying to kill Agatha. So just
kind of like what happens there. Yeah, I'm looking forward
to that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, is there anything I liked Teen? Overall? I found
him and Agatha good chemistry. I like that he's just
just a little lackey.
Speaker 1: So I was worried he was gonna be really annoying
and like too much, and it's like, h this is
actually a nice level. I appreciate this.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because he's with Agatha all the time in the
episode two, but it like, like you said, I appreciated it.
I was always worried when you get that young side kicking.
Oh anyway, So.
Speaker 1: And like I think the mystery aspect of him is
another thing that just lifts it overall. So I think
what they're doing with a team right now is actually
quite good. And I am excited for that reveal when
it comes, and hopefully it's not super disappointing. I'm like,
that's it, really, I don't know, No.
Speaker 2: I think I don't think it will be. I think
it's going to be one of those that happens at
the end of an episode and then that's gonna be like,
get to wait till the next week, and then.
Speaker 1: It's just my fisto. Finally, it's like we waited all
through one division. I think I'd already mentioned it, but
I love the moment when they do the chant and
then it doesn't work and she's just like shit talking everyone,
just like you like such mediocrity. Why do you think
I would even bring you on the Witch's role? Like
you don't even belong there. Like I just loved her
getting to that level. And then fast forward a couple
minutes later, she's like, I had no doubt in my
tem it's just like Catherine Han being so charismatic and
just just being great in that moment. And it's such
like a quick line. But I think you do that
line with like a hundred different actors and you just
get it in such a different way. And she's yeah,
she has a certain pizzage she puts on it, so
good stuff. Let's see. I I'm like, I feel like
I mostly just talked about the first episode. No we
told episodes.
Speaker 2: Episode two is like that recruiting episode, and that's where
that's where for me, I was a little bummed and
why I wish, I wish. But I also think it
would have been smart to do a third episode because
episode two does feel there's like at least half of
it that is very formulaic. Right, we know it's gonna
be she's gonna pop up to it, Like I said,
pop up a ram. People give them a reason and
other reasons sometimes like all right, I guess this works
and then go and assemble the team. So it just
felt like a there wasn't gonna be much surprise, and
there there really wasn't, you know, there was just more
kind of world steps. That's why I hope next week,
episode three, we have some really cool uh moments that
are very supernatural.
Speaker 1: So I will say though, I feel like there is
a universe where episode one happens. Then episode two her recruiting,
like one member. Episode three is her recruiting. God Yeah,
and like what a slog that could have been, So
I am happy that they just kind of got through
it all in the second episode there.
Speaker 2: And we are already have the richest the Witches Road too,
which I like, there was a part of me that
worried that that was gonna be like a midway season
point thing. And the fact that hey, episode two ends
with them on this road. The last shows them walking
down and the roads in the fore or in the
back front our backview. I don't know, I'm combining words now,
and that to me is like okay, yeah, like that
to me, that is alluding that next week should have
fun stuff going on, adventures and everything. But maybe it's
a flashback episode to Kitty's husband's funeral or something.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know. I feel like I'm convinced now
that like most of the show will happen actually on
this this which is road type area, because it also
just gets us away from Westview, and because we set
the whole WandaVision there, I think that it is a
smart idea to go elsewhere. So yeah, I don't even
know if it was you that convinced me, but just
the overall conversation all yeah, it was Travis along, it.
Speaker 2: Was Yeah, me all along. Let me bring up my notes.
But I think I hit on.
Speaker 1: I have negative notes I talked to me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know that that's about it. So yeah, we'll
be back next week. There'll be a culmination of us
talking about Agatha. See what happens. Hopefully it continues this
momentum and we get to be another positive view because
at the end of the day, unless it's really bad,
it's so good. I think we all prefer to have
some positivity and the things we talk about because it
leads to just happiness. So I hope you're happy with
this review. We will be back next week and many
other times this week for all multiple other shows, and
it'll not be boring, but