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Speaker 1: Hi, This is Bobby Brown and welcome to another fucking podcast.

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Speaker 2: Troy a sight, don't be a a oh man bab

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the factory hungry still wait right? So many times people

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by a pathetic wash up age ax champion, All right.

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Speaker 3: Let's go.

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Speaker 4: I think you know the guy, and I.

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Speaker 3: Think you know what, pretty dear?

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Speaker 1: WHOA?

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Speaker 4: His name is he?

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Speaker 1: Presley?

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Speaker 2: Press Presley?

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Speaker 4: What's my name?

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Speaker 5: Say my name, bitch?

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Speaker 2: My good friend?

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Speaker 3: Is he Presley?

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Speaker 4: Is he Presley? Is Presley Couch? Is he Presley?

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Speaker 2: WHOA?

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Speaker 4: That sounds a little weird? Is he President?

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Speaker 2: Is he Presley?

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Speaker 4: Is he Presley?

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Speaker 2: The heaviest, gurthiest rocky j around?

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Speaker 3: Hey, this is Jeffer you listen to?

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Speaker 4: Is he Presley?

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Speaker 3: Those aren't pillows? No, Jeff, They're not pillows. Hello, Las Vegas,

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Hello world, Hello, my loyal minions. It is good to

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see what is always good to be seeing. My name

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is Izzy Presley. I'm the host of the program. It's

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called another ref in podcast coming up on thirteen years

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podcast coming go? This one is Staying Forever, Big Day

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here and another refing podcast. It is currently not what

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time is it. It's currently two thirty four pm here

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in Las Vegas. I just did an interview with Brian Slagel,

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which you guys are going to see here in just

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a minute and a fun episode. Get in his history,

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talk some hockey, we talk some metal, We talk about

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his role in Into the Void, the series that is

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on Hulu right now, which I highly suggest you all

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check out. Of course, we talk about kiss, We talk

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about Napster, which is actually a lot of fun, kind

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So it's a good time. I hope you guys enjoy

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the interview because I know I had a good time

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doing it. I've known Brian for a while and it's

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I can't believe it finally happened. We've been in the

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same town for three and a half years and it

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finally happened. And check out Metal Blade Records dot com.

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Go see the museum metal Blade dot com, slash museum, book,

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your book, your tour coming up for me? First of all,

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five dollars a month, that's all it is. It's only

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seventeen cents a day. That's it. Seventeen cents a day

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to support this show, and you get everything before everybody

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else gets. It's like what For instance, today, before I

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interviewed Brian Slagel, I did a show just for the Patreon,

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the Brian Sleagal episode. By the time you see this

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has been up on the Patreon since today, and tonight

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I'm interviewing Mitch Schneider. He is an icon in the

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PR world. He's a former journalist. He worked with Rolling

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Stone back in the seventies. I believe we're gonna get

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You won't see it until the twenty fifth, So there

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links are there, and subscribe to this show. Subscribe that

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I appreciate it. What's coming up for me? Coming up

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One Last Kiss is performing a Halloween show. I am

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going to be the host MC of the show. Patrick Vatigliano.

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My saying that, right, we should Patrick, this is what

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I'm good. He's playing it. He's from the band called

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Very very very very talented dude. And then the costume contests,

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the whole thing, no cover, free parking, come on out,

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have some fun. And then November thirteen here in Las

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let's do this. Let's dive into dating tips from porn stars,

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Speaker 1: And now it's time for dating tips from porn stars.

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Speaker 3: Dating tips from porn stars. Who do we have here?

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Speaker 4: My name is Alena Crumb.

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Speaker 3: Well, it's nice to meet you.

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Speaker 5: All right, take confidence off the table, because we know

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confidence is king right, looks money or a sense of humor?

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What's more important? I like that as a comedian, I

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appreciate that. How important is it for you for a

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Speaker 3: The first move?

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Speaker 4: Not a porn adult? Really? Yes, you go for what

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Speaker 3: I love that. Can you smell desperation? What does it

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Speaker 2: Shit?

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Speaker 3: That's good? That's good. Do you prefer a guy to

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Speaker 3: I only have a preference. I'm not I'm not all right.

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Speaker 5: And if you're gonna start dating somebody, how long before

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you tell them what you do.

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Speaker 3: Immediately?

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Speaker 4: I don't cut let me right up front.

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Speaker 2: I love it. I love it.

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Speaker 3: If people want to find you online, where can they

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find you? I'm very loud on Twitter X at a

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leading crap triplex or are you gonna find me on

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Speaker 4: I'm there almost every day under a leading crop.

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Speaker 2: I love it.

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Speaker 1: That was Dating Tips from Porn Stars. Now back to

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another podcast with Izzy Presley.

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Speaker 3: All right, we are back. That was dating Tips from

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Porn Stars, and we are back now with a man

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It's like seeing Santa in like May. He is a

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proprietor the main man behind Mettle Blade Records. You know him,

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you love him. My good friend, Brian Slagel, how are

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you doing today? Good sir?

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Speaker 4: I'm good, sir. How are you?

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Speaker 3: I'm fucking great man? Ready to talk some rock and roll.

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Let's get into hockey first. And it boggles my mind

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that a kid from southern California, growing up when nobody

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gave a shit about the Kings became such a hockey nut.

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How in the hell did that happen?

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time in nineteen eighty one, he was doing work for

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the Lakers and the Kings, and I just started getting

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into the Kings. I started going to games right around

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there because you would get in for like five bucks

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because nobody was going. So we go watch a few

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our hands? We don't ever go.

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just started playing the Islanders Stanley Cup games. I think

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how cool this sport is. And it kind of kind

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Speaker 3: When did you become such a like a nut though?

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place just for jerseys. Yeah, you have apartments just to

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go to hockey games in multiple parts of the country.

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It's like I wore my Sake Cloud State Jersey and like, dude,

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Saint Cloud stay. It's like, how the fuck do you

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know that? I mean, when did When did the obsession start?

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Speaker 4: I mean started really again in eighty two when I

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first started going to the Kings games on a regular

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basis and just was like, I love this sport. It's

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really great.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and it was.

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Speaker 4: It was really my therapy at that point. I was

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just I was just getting into the whole scene and

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doing a million different things and all music related. It

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was kind of fun to just have, like, ah, a

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little break to go watch some sports. I was always

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the whole thing, but just going to the games live,

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and it was, you know, so much fun back then,

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the games like seven to six and had just fights

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and all this crazy stuff. So just so slowly became

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more and more into it that I met other people

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around the country and we would like tape video trade,

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we would tape trade vhs, videotapes of all because you

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couldn't see any of these games anyway. So I just

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became obsessed with And then I started going to college

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games and you know everything else, and just I just

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became completely head over heels in love with this board.

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Speaker 3: I just can't believe that. Yeah, we all know about

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the metal tape traders. I didn't realize there was hockey

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tape traders.

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and I heard these these actually two girls talking about

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the La Kings and they raisually even playing them. They're

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and I go, you know about those teams. They go yeah,

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we're huge fans, and I go, oh, I'm from LA.

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I have seen tickets and just became friends with them.

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And they were the ones that they were obsessed with

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the Kings and more importantly the Edmonton Oilers, which was

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you know, the Gretzkis and the Muse and I'm sarrying

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Gtks and messiers. So they said, hey, we'll we'll trade you.

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We'll tape Ranger games on VHS and send them to

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you and you can tape the Kings and Edmonton Olio games.

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I go, oh, sure, that's a good idea. So we

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started doing that. Then there was a team in a Heartford,

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Connecticut and we had a back off Fates Warning, and

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I uh got the one of the guys from Fates

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Warning who was a big hockey fan. Guy, can you

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take me Harford Whaler games and send them to me?

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And he's like, yeah, sure, and it's kind of kind

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of started from there. Yeah, it's crazy.

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Speaker 2: Do you know?

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Speaker 4: It was based on my love of tape trading, so well,

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of course, do you.

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Speaker 3: We're going to get into music in a little bit,

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but this still just fascinates me. Do you have a U?

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Do you have a Krem de la crem? Your your

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top notch collectible for hockey? There's a couple have.

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Speaker 4: A Marlogam you autographed jersey from when they won the

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Cup in the early nineties. It's that's not.

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Speaker 3: Please please don't say ninety one in Minneapolis.

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Speaker 4: Uh it was, I forget, you know, I'm not even

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really sure which which one it was. It might have

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been the second one against the Blackhawks, so okay, it's easier, easier,

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mind a little bit. I also have an autograph uh

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Gretzky All Star jersey from the Rangers, which is pretty cool.

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Cool and one of my favorite jerseys though of all

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time is from a team that never played a game

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called the Tucson scorch and they had a really cool

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logo and really cool jerseys, but they never played a

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single game. And I had a hunt and peck to

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find those jerseys. They ended up being in some equipment

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guy's basement and I bought them all from him, and

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so that that's pretty cool because like hardly anybody has

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anything from.

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Speaker 3: Them, So that's that's fucking badass. Uh, do you have

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any good Cup stories? I mean, obviously, unfortunately you've seen

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it here with the Golden Knights, and you know my

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just stand for the Golden Knights. But I still go

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to the games because you know, in the wild play.

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But do you have any good up Cup stories being

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around the Cup? Yeah?

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Speaker 4: Well here's here's a few of them. So I've been

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lucky enough to be able to hang out with all

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these NHL media guys. Uh, they've kind of adopted me

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as one of their own. You know. I I listen

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and watch and read all these guys stuff. So it's

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kind of humbling to be a part of them. And

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one of the guys that was part of them was

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this guy named Mike Bolt who was the keeper of

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the Cup. You know field Phil feels like the main

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guy on TV and everything, but well was the one

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that did the heavy lifting and he was a super

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great guy, huge music fan. So I've had many crazy

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nights with a Cup. I'll give you a couple of stories.

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One of them, I was in Tampa. I was in

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Tampa when the Tampa was going for the Cup. But

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I don't think they t remember what year that was.

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I think it was before they had won. I think

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they're playing Chicago was the year that they didn't win it.

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But anyway, where there's this this bar called Hat Tricks

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was just right next to the arena, and we're in

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there with a whole bunch of people that night, and

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one of one of them was my buddy Von Lewis,

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who managed to still switch engage. He come down and

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I had a chance to hang out with a cup

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before then, because Mike just like, come come hang with

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a cup. I'm like, what do you mean, Like, it'sa

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in my hotel room. Just come by and you can

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take pictures and do whatever you want.

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Speaker 3: I'm like, oh, okay. So I went there, just.

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Speaker 4: Sitting in his hotel room. I said, what happens when

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you go out?

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Speaker 3: So it just sits here.

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Speaker 4: It's like there's no security or anything. He said that

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not really, So anyway, uh uh, Vaughn goes. He goes, Hey,

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I'm gonna it's getting late. It's getting like one thirty

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in the morning or something. And I was like, Hey,

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I'm gonna go Mike's gonna take me. And this hotel

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was like about three minute walk from the from the bar.

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So he goes, I'm gonna go over with Mike and

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see the cup. Okay, good, have a good time. Next

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thing I know, five minutes later, they're closing the bar early,

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kicking everybody out except for you know, me and a

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few of the hockey guys. And in comes the big

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you know case with the cop and outcomes of the

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cop and it's up on the bar. He's taking pictures

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with it. It's crazy. So that was fun, and the

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other one was so the the second Cup that the

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Kings won. I went to all five of those games.

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All the ones in New York they put the Rangers.

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The ones in New York are the ones in LA

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I believe it was game five, and I was with

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my buddy Monty Pittman, who was playing guitar for Bandanna

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for many years. Yeah, he's great, he's out with the

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ministry now. But anyway, we were there because we both

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lived in the South Bay at the time.

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Speaker 3: So that's the game.

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Speaker 4: Whatever. So I'm walking in the concourse in between periods

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and I get a text from Lars and he goes Hey,

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I see you. I'm like, what is this? He goes,

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You're wearing a thin Lizzie shirt. I go, where are you?

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So it turns out he was in a box right

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behind where I was sitting, like about ten rows up

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from I was sitting. Because his his wife is a

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huge hockey fan. So they literally just decided that day like, hey,

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let's go down and watch the finals game. So so

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I was talking to them and I go, oh, cool,

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you said hi and whatever. For a little while, they said,

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you guys are leaving it after the game. I'm assuming

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they go yeah, yeah, you know, we got to go

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back up because you know, they can fight private and

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all that stuff. So yeah, So anyway, the Kings win

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it in all over time. So now Monty and I

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are like, and you know, I know a few people

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with the Kings, and obviously Lars was there, and so

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Montian and I are like, well, so what do we do?

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Like do we stay here and see what happens? Or

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do we get out of here? Because just before a

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year or two before that the Lakers had won the championship,

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they frigging burned down downtown LA and it was like, you,

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I know people that were working that game. They couldn't

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get out till like six o'clock in the morning. So

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we're thinking, okay, we're in downtown laing one, let's just

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get out of here. We'll go back to the South Bay,

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which is where all the players live, and there's a

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couple of really great hockey bars there. Let's go down

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there and celebrate because I'm sure there's gonna be a

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big celebration. So we go back to get an uber.

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We go back to back to Hermosa, which is where

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the Big King's Bar was nothing. There's like five people there.

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It's like nothing had happened, like no parties know nothing. Really,

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this is lame then, So Mani and I were just

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sitting there having a couple of drinks, celebrating, and then

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I get a photo from Lars about, you know, half

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an hour we're there him holding the Stanley Cup over

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his head at at the lounge at at Staples, and

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I'm like, He's like, He's like, they'll let anybody touch

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this thing. I was like, I guess we made the

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wrong decision. And they finally brought the cup down there,

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but not until like two thirty in the morning or something.

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I was not going to stay out that late. But

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in retrospect, we should have because I know a bunch

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of people were in the party scene where it was

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like Lars and some friends might work for the Kings

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and everything. It's like, we should have just freaking stayed

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at Staples and there's no riots or anything.

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Speaker 3: Nobody cares right right, Well, I could just imagine that

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cup's about as tall as Lars.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, pretty much. He had some I think it was

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him and his wife. Hole they get over their heads.

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But I've I've had a lot of quality time at

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the cup and and had, you know, been able to

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bring friends over to see the In fact, I brought

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Darius Rucker over to see the cup once. Yeah, it

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was a lot of fun.

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Speaker 3: That's good. I was hoping you were going to say

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you were at the Pantera party.

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Speaker 4: No, you know, I I could have been, which which

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is the bummer. Uh, But it was one of those

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things where there's just so much going on. I couldn't

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get down there. However, Rita has and other people I

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know have dispelled the rumor because the bigger rumor was

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they threw the cup off the second story into the

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pool and dented it. Well, they did throw it off

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the second floor of the pool. But there's no dent

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and it wasn't such a big deal. And that's been

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confirmed by Ritos, you know, Dimes, Widow and and Mike

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Bolton other people. So I was like, yeah, kind of

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ruins the story a little bit. But I know, I know,

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I know, I hate to I hate to break it

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to everybody, but.

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Speaker 3: Let's talk about the podcast that you have right now.

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I mean, because one of the reason I want to

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have you honest to promote your shit. The podcast is

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called one hundred Songs That Define Heavy Metal. How did

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this thing come about? Because, like a lot of people

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started a podcast over the pandemic. I've been doing this

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for thirteen years. It's November fourth, is the thirteenth year

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of this show, and you finally got into it. How

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did it happen? And you know what finally drew you in?

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Speaker 4: Well, I did do a podcast for a while before this.

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I did it with my friend Sean Rourk who's at

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NHL dot com, and we it was called Metal Misconduct.

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We did it for about a little over two years,

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so we would just talk to hockey players and athletes

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and celebrities who loved metal, and Sean came up with

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that idea and I go, it sounds like fun. But

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you know these hockey players, you know, honestly have when

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you're talking to them or you see them in the press,

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they have no personality. Goes, let's just we'll talk about music.

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It'll be fun, all right. So the first guy we

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did was Drew Stafford, who played the Buffalo Sabers at

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the time, and he's friends with a lot of people

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that I knew really well too. But he was a

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terrible interview, like horrible, like three words and that's it,

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and I'm like, how are we going to get this

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kind of talk? We talked over an hour. He was

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so into the music, and afterwards Sean Sean texted him.

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He's like, hey, man, like where did all that come from?

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Like I've interviewed you before and it's like it's hard

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to get anything out of you. He's like, I love music,

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so I was talking about something I love doing. So

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we did that for a couple of years and then

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they need NHL put a kaibash on that and said, no,

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do you think Sean does has to be on NHL

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dot com. So we did that for a couple of years,

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which is fun. But this came about so this guy,

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Christian Blatt, who was a podcaster and producer. He was

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Dennis Miller's guy for years and years and years. He

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did all of his podcasts and TV shows and all

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that stuff. So he he listens to Eddie Trunk all

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the time, and I'll go on Eddie Show and going

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to Swallow just kind of hang out for a couple

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of hours, and he said, hey, you know, I hear

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you on Eddie Shrunk. Would you like to do a podcast?

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I'm like, yeah, sure, why not? And he kind of

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came up with like, let's do It won't be a list,

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but we'll do you know, one hundred songs. I forget

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what the original tiught I was one hundred songs about

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heavy metal, hundred met hundred belts songs or whatever it was.

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And we're originally gonna do it through AXS TV because

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they were starting a podcast division. Well that never happened.

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The Access never started that, so it just kind of

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just kind of sat around, and you know, he knows

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people and whatnot, so about I don't know about a year.

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A little over a year later, I went and did

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the Metallica podcast are the guys who distribute that. These

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guys from Pantheon Media text me and said, hey, we

474
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heard you on the Metallica podcast. Would you be interested

475
00:22:38,279 --> 00:22:40,559
in doing a podcast? It said, well, I have a concept.

476
00:22:41,160 --> 00:22:43,039
So we met with them and kind of honed it

477
00:22:43,279 --> 00:22:45,279
down a little bit and discussed it and got it

478
00:22:45,319 --> 00:22:48,640
to go, and now I'm doing this weekly podcast.

479
00:22:49,319 --> 00:22:50,160
Speaker 3: It's a lot of work.

480
00:22:50,839 --> 00:22:52,519
Speaker 4: It is a lot of work, and that's the one thing.

481
00:22:52,599 --> 00:22:55,480
It's a lot of fun to do, but it's an

482
00:22:55,480 --> 00:22:57,839
insane amount of work. I mean, luckily the producer does

483
00:22:57,880 --> 00:23:00,519
all the nuts and bolts of the whole thing, thank

484
00:23:00,599 --> 00:23:02,279
God for that. But you know, I've got to come

485
00:23:02,359 --> 00:23:04,359
up with the guests and the and the tracks. And

486
00:23:04,880 --> 00:23:06,759
you know, because we do we do two parts. We

487
00:23:06,880 --> 00:23:09,720
have a we talked about the production with a producer

488
00:23:09,799 --> 00:23:12,400
or engineer, and then we talk about the actual saw

489
00:23:12,480 --> 00:23:14,319
with either somebody involved in it or somebody a fan

490
00:23:14,400 --> 00:23:16,680
of it. So yeah, that's the biggest problem is just

491
00:23:16,880 --> 00:23:20,319
booking this thing and getting everybody's schedules together. And yeah,

492
00:23:20,480 --> 00:23:24,160
it's it's it's more work than more work that I

493
00:23:24,200 --> 00:23:25,839
don't need to be doing at this point.

494
00:23:25,960 --> 00:23:27,079
Speaker 3: Welcome to my world.

495
00:23:27,559 --> 00:23:30,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, It is fun though, and so far the reaction

496
00:23:31,000 --> 00:23:33,440
has been amazing, so that kind of makes it a

497
00:23:33,480 --> 00:23:34,079
little bit better.

498
00:23:34,759 --> 00:23:38,519
Speaker 3: Let's uh, you do have some products out now. You

499
00:23:38,680 --> 00:23:41,759
have the brand new Metal Blade whiskey, which I have

500
00:23:41,920 --> 00:23:44,279
not tried yet, and you have the Metal Blade coffee,

501
00:23:44,480 --> 00:23:46,559
which I haven't tried yet. What made you want to

502
00:23:47,319 --> 00:23:51,960
kind of dive out into other other realms of just

503
00:23:52,279 --> 00:23:53,400
other than selling music.

504
00:23:53,880 --> 00:23:57,440
Speaker 4: Yeah, so, you know, we've always had people approach us

505
00:23:57,480 --> 00:23:59,119
about those sort of things, and where I was like,

506
00:23:59,200 --> 00:24:01,319
let the band do it, you know, let them do it.

507
00:24:01,400 --> 00:24:03,960
It's you know, let them do all these different you know,

508
00:24:04,079 --> 00:24:06,960
branding sort of things. And at some point a few

509
00:24:06,960 --> 00:24:09,119
people were like, look, you guys have a really good brand.

510
00:24:09,200 --> 00:24:11,319
You're kind of missing out by not doing stuff with

511
00:24:11,440 --> 00:24:13,960
your brand because not only is it, you know, potentially

512
00:24:14,039 --> 00:24:16,799
making you somebody, but just you know about visibility and

513
00:24:17,079 --> 00:24:18,960
you know, and you have a brand name that you

514
00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:21,200
should use. So I'm like, all right, so we're thinking

515
00:24:21,240 --> 00:24:24,119
about that. And then you know, both your and my

516
00:24:24,240 --> 00:24:27,920
friend Scott McKinley. Yeah, I was talking to him one

517
00:24:28,079 --> 00:24:29,880
night at a hockey game and he was mentioned that

518
00:24:29,960 --> 00:24:31,640
he was kind of doing the branding because you know,

519
00:24:31,759 --> 00:24:37,039
worked on that what was that show, the nine o

520
00:24:37,119 --> 00:24:41,559
two and oh uh doctor Plastic Surgeon guy.

521
00:24:41,759 --> 00:24:43,640
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I forget what the name.

522
00:24:43,519 --> 00:24:44,920
Speaker 4: Of the show was, but he was doing all the

523
00:24:45,759 --> 00:24:47,720
like that, yeah, something like that, I forget. But he

524
00:24:47,799 --> 00:24:49,240
was doing the branding for him, like all this, you know,

525
00:24:49,319 --> 00:24:51,240
skincare line and all this sort of stuff. So he

526
00:24:51,319 --> 00:24:53,400
was familiar with the brandy guy. Were actually looking for

527
00:24:53,519 --> 00:24:56,160
somebody to kind of be the brand manager here, would

528
00:24:56,160 --> 00:24:58,119
you would you be interested? And he said yeah, he

529
00:24:58,279 --> 00:24:59,400
you know, kind of wanted to get out of the

530
00:24:59,480 --> 00:25:02,079
giggy he was at at the time. So we armed

531
00:25:02,160 --> 00:25:04,119
him on and just started doing a bunch of this stuff.

532
00:25:04,160 --> 00:25:07,559
And uh, it's been fun. But you know, certainly the

533
00:25:08,160 --> 00:25:09,920
all of the liquors we've made. We've made a couple

534
00:25:09,960 --> 00:25:14,680
of beers, vodka, we've done a couple of these bourbons now.

535
00:25:14,799 --> 00:25:17,480
But there's a run try, Yeah, there's a rum trying

536
00:25:17,519 --> 00:25:22,160
to get paid for this is nearly impossible. That whole

537
00:25:22,200 --> 00:25:24,119
world is kind of weird. But but it's been funny.

538
00:25:24,160 --> 00:25:27,759
We've done coffees and candles and shoes and you know,

539
00:25:27,839 --> 00:25:30,119
everything we could possibly imagine. But but it's cool. It's

540
00:25:30,119 --> 00:25:32,599
just kind of cool and there's you can work with

541
00:25:32,680 --> 00:25:34,599
some fun people doing it too. So as long as

542
00:25:34,680 --> 00:25:37,039
the I think the biggest thing is we just got

543
00:25:37,039 --> 00:25:40,559
to make sure whatever we're doing, uh, it's good quality.

544
00:25:40,599 --> 00:25:42,920
And it's because you know, you're putting your name on there,

545
00:25:43,000 --> 00:25:44,599
basically your brand on you don't want to ruin it.

546
00:25:44,759 --> 00:25:48,279
So far, so far, knock on wood, it's been okay.

547
00:25:48,759 --> 00:25:50,839
Speaker 3: Well, I mean the vodka was great. I know because

548
00:25:50,839 --> 00:25:54,920
I drank that entire bottle. So no good cheers, cheers, cheers.

549
00:25:55,119 --> 00:25:58,079
Let's talk about the museum too. And like I said,

550
00:25:58,279 --> 00:26:01,079
like over the over the pandemic, a lot of people

551
00:26:01,119 --> 00:26:06,960
started podcasts. You built your man cave and then you

552
00:26:07,119 --> 00:26:09,559
decided to open it up to the public. Is it

553
00:26:09,839 --> 00:26:12,079
when did the idea of like, well, fuck, we should

554
00:26:12,160 --> 00:26:13,880
let people come in and see this stuff?

555
00:26:14,839 --> 00:26:15,119
Speaker 1: Still?

556
00:26:15,640 --> 00:26:17,440
Speaker 4: Yeah, So I moved, you know, I moved to Vegas

557
00:26:17,519 --> 00:26:20,039
is like nine years ago now, and uh it was

558
00:26:20,240 --> 00:26:22,480
we realized it was a lot cheaper to have storage

559
00:26:22,559 --> 00:26:24,519
units in Las Vegas than it was in Los Angeles.

560
00:26:24,599 --> 00:26:27,000
So we took everything that we had in our storage

561
00:26:27,079 --> 00:26:29,079
units there and put it out here. And you know,

562
00:26:29,160 --> 00:26:31,119
while I was going going on, you know, it's kind

563
00:26:31,160 --> 00:26:33,799
of I was the one basically, you know, putting it

564
00:26:33,799 --> 00:26:35,319
all in there just kind of it just sucks that

565
00:26:35,359 --> 00:26:37,680
all this stuff is sitting in a storage unit. So

566
00:26:37,839 --> 00:26:39,119
I was in the I was in the process of

567
00:26:39,200 --> 00:26:41,119
doing about a bunch of real estate stuff. You know,

568
00:26:41,440 --> 00:26:44,160
I dabbled in real estate buying and selling and stuff.

569
00:26:44,240 --> 00:26:46,440
So this is you know, when the market was, you know,

570
00:26:46,599 --> 00:26:49,000
you could buy a house for nothing in Las Vegas,

571
00:26:49,039 --> 00:26:51,240
So so about a house just to kind of put

572
00:26:51,279 --> 00:26:53,319
this stuff in. Ifin it's gonna be fun, good investment

573
00:26:53,359 --> 00:26:55,160
for the house, and it's a I call these tangible

574
00:26:55,200 --> 00:26:57,400
investments because you can actually do something with them and

575
00:26:57,519 --> 00:27:01,480
you're still making money on the on the the property.

576
00:27:01,880 --> 00:27:04,200
So I put this museum together in the house, and

577
00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:06,119
you know, I just I figured I'll put it there

578
00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:07,839
and invite friends and when they come in from out

579
00:27:07,880 --> 00:27:09,920
of town. Somebody pop come into Vegas all the time,

580
00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:12,559
so you know, guys like Charlie Minante and Joey Vera

581
00:27:12,559 --> 00:27:14,559
from Art Saint and a few other guys would come

582
00:27:14,599 --> 00:27:17,119
in and they'd go, hey, can we take pictures? I

583
00:27:17,119 --> 00:27:19,079
don't care, do whatever he wants. They would start taking

584
00:27:19,160 --> 00:27:22,359
pictures and putting them on social media, and I all

585
00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:24,039
started getting all these responses, Oh my god, how do

586
00:27:24,119 --> 00:27:25,799
we see this? Like where do we go see this?

587
00:27:25,920 --> 00:27:29,519
And oh my god, I don't know. I mean, I

588
00:27:29,839 --> 00:27:31,920
don't know. They could have thirty people at a single

589
00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:34,079
family home in Vegas. I don't think it's zoned for that.

590
00:27:34,359 --> 00:27:37,279
So kind of got the idea, well, let's just see

591
00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:40,319
if there's a piece of property here that's not super expensive.

592
00:27:40,359 --> 00:27:42,200
And we found this, you know, a little place and

593
00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:44,680
a strip mall right off right near the right, near

594
00:27:44,720 --> 00:27:46,279
the rio, right near the strip, and it was like

595
00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:49,759
really inexpensive, and the owners were super cool. So I

596
00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:52,839
just that was my pandemic thing. I just every day,

597
00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:55,759
when you weren't supposed to be leaving your house, I

598
00:27:55,839 --> 00:27:59,400
would go, you know, we'd luckily we'd started to move

599
00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:02,319
in some of this stuff beforehand. But I just basically

600
00:28:02,319 --> 00:28:05,279
spend every day kind of putting it all together over

601
00:28:05,319 --> 00:28:07,079
there during the pandemic. So it gave me something to

602
00:28:07,160 --> 00:28:08,160
do for four months.

603
00:28:08,799 --> 00:28:12,200
Speaker 3: And I love that it's open now every day. It

604
00:28:12,359 --> 00:28:17,359
used to be just sat just Saturdays, I believe, and uh,

605
00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:19,160
but you still show up every once in a while

606
00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:21,440
and do the tours. Do you enjoy doing that?

607
00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:24,400
Speaker 4: Do you enjoy it's fun? It's yeah, it's super fun.

608
00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:26,200
I wish I could do it more often because it's

609
00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:29,039
it's super fun. It's a lot of fun. And uh yeah,

610
00:28:29,039 --> 00:28:31,079
it's been every day noon to three except for Sundays

611
00:28:31,160 --> 00:28:34,079
and go to metal bay dot com slash Museum for

612
00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:37,799
all your information. But yeah, it's fun. It's fun, and

613
00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:40,319
it's it's another thing where you know, I love the

614
00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:43,079
reaction from the fans. I mean, every so far everybody

615
00:28:43,319 --> 00:28:45,680
has seen it's been really into it, and you know,

616
00:28:45,839 --> 00:28:47,480
when I'm there and not you know Scott he's doing

617
00:28:47,519 --> 00:28:49,640
it now too, and he does a really great tour

618
00:28:49,720 --> 00:28:51,920
over there. So yeah, it's fun. It's just it's cool

619
00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:54,680
to share that sort of stuff with other people. Uh,

620
00:28:54,839 --> 00:28:56,519
it's not just metal Blade stuff because we working one

621
00:28:56,599 --> 00:28:59,880
artists over the years. We've got Deepurple Than Lizzie, Alice Cooper, Hayls,

622
00:29:00,279 --> 00:29:02,119
sound Guard and Faith No More. There's you know, a

623
00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:04,960
bunch of different guns and roses, a bunch of artifacts

624
00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:07,200
in there, and there's no heavy metal museum really anywhere

625
00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:10,279
in the world, so it's at least we have something

626
00:29:10,519 --> 00:29:11,240
out here in Vegas.

627
00:29:11,279 --> 00:29:15,279
Speaker 3: Well, let's let's dive into that a little bit. Like

628
00:29:15,359 --> 00:29:17,160
the Guns N' Roses and the Mister Big A lot

629
00:29:17,240 --> 00:29:18,920
a lot of people don't know that you had a

630
00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:23,480
little hand in that stuff, Like the Appetite for Destruction.

631
00:29:23,839 --> 00:29:27,400
You helped that record kind of get to where it was.

632
00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:30,680
Speaker 4: Yeah. So in the early nineties, you know, we saw

633
00:29:30,839 --> 00:29:33,680
the writing on the wall for the metal scene, unfortunately,

634
00:29:33,720 --> 00:29:36,519
because you see all these new bands coming in and

635
00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:38,480
all these major labels are signing all these bands, but

636
00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:40,680
they have no idea what to do with them in

637
00:29:40,759 --> 00:29:42,680
the underground world. And we're like, hey, look, you know,

638
00:29:42,759 --> 00:29:45,279
we we can help market this to college radio, which

639
00:29:45,279 --> 00:29:48,559
is really important and all the you know, underground fanzines

640
00:29:48,599 --> 00:29:50,759
and underground record stores. You know, we can help you

641
00:29:50,880 --> 00:29:53,880
because we have all the contacts there. You know, we'll

642
00:29:54,119 --> 00:29:55,920
just hire us on and pay us some money and

643
00:29:56,200 --> 00:29:57,960
we'll go do the work for you. And we did that,

644
00:29:58,559 --> 00:30:01,039
started doing it. I worked out really well. The labels

645
00:30:01,039 --> 00:30:03,319
were happy, you know, we got some extra money, you know,

646
00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:05,519
when you know, it wasn't great, it was fun to

647
00:30:05,599 --> 00:30:05,839
work with.

648
00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:06,359
Speaker 2: You know.

649
00:30:06,440 --> 00:30:13,359
Speaker 4: We did Guns and Roses, Faith No More, Alison Chains, Aerosmith, Queens, Rike,

650
00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:17,720
Mother Love uh yeah, Mother Love Bone, which turned into

651
00:30:17,759 --> 00:30:20,319
Pearl Jam obviously Sound Garden, so a lot of that

652
00:30:20,440 --> 00:30:22,640
Seattle stuff especially, So it was a lot of fun.

653
00:30:22,680 --> 00:30:24,240
It was really cool because we you know, we all

654
00:30:24,279 --> 00:30:26,599
love the music, right, I loved all that stuff. I

655
00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:29,880
even though bands couldn't say that they were into metal

656
00:30:30,079 --> 00:30:31,920
at the time. I mean all those bands were basically

657
00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:34,400
metal bands, just doing it a little bit differently because

658
00:30:34,440 --> 00:30:37,759
metal was kind of should should have been slapped to

659
00:30:37,799 --> 00:30:40,839
the underground because we just big commercial garbage at that

660
00:30:40,920 --> 00:30:43,200
point really, so so yeah, it was a lot of

661
00:30:43,240 --> 00:30:44,799
fun to be able to do all that and do

662
00:30:44,880 --> 00:30:46,519
all that work, and then of course we licensed you

663
00:30:46,599 --> 00:30:49,359
know the whenever Warner Brothers real likes Steep Purple and

664
00:30:49,519 --> 00:30:52,359
then Lizzie and Alice Cooper and a bunch of cool stuff.

665
00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:56,839
Speaker 3: So yeah, fun. When did you know that this was

666
00:30:57,000 --> 00:30:59,400
that the that Metal Blade was actually going to be

667
00:30:59,559 --> 00:31:01,720
a thing. See he put out that first record and

668
00:31:01,720 --> 00:31:04,559
you know that obviously the fame of you know, Metallica

669
00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:06,559
being on there for the very first time, along with

670
00:31:07,039 --> 00:31:11,240
Black and Blue and Keel and I think it was Steeler, right,

671
00:31:11,319 --> 00:31:15,039
Steeler Steeler, Yeah, yeah, and Rat and all that stuff.

672
00:31:15,079 --> 00:31:17,400
When did you When did it hit you that, Oh

673
00:31:17,559 --> 00:31:19,559
Jesus Christ, I think I'm onto something here.

674
00:31:20,039 --> 00:31:22,319
Speaker 4: It was a while. I mean, honestly, it was a while.

675
00:31:22,599 --> 00:31:24,920
The first three years it was just me working out

676
00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:26,680
of my mom a room in the back of my

677
00:31:26,799 --> 00:31:29,279
mom's on the in the backyard of my mom's house

678
00:31:29,319 --> 00:31:31,440
with no air conditioning, by the way, with the nills, California,

679
00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:35,160
where it's one hundred and eight degrees in summer. That's yeah,

680
00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:37,599
that's probably why I love the desert and the heats.

681
00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:40,000
I just had to convince myself to get used to it.

682
00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:42,759
But it's just me for like three years doing everything

683
00:31:42,799 --> 00:31:46,119
all by myself, and I didn't really think much about it.

684
00:31:46,160 --> 00:31:48,559
It was it was fun to do, and I was

685
00:31:48,599 --> 00:31:50,359
helping the bands out. I wasn't really making any money.

686
00:31:50,519 --> 00:31:52,799
I was still living, still living at home at that

687
00:31:52,839 --> 00:31:54,640
point because I didn't have enough money to move out,

688
00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:56,680
because it was you know, whatever money came in, you

689
00:31:56,799 --> 00:31:58,920
put it out, and you know, it kind of took time.

690
00:31:58,960 --> 00:32:02,240
I think it wasn't until you know, almost four years

691
00:32:02,279 --> 00:32:07,000
in so that would have been like eighty five probably that. Yeah,

692
00:32:07,039 --> 00:32:09,000
it started to get starting to get a little big.

693
00:32:09,039 --> 00:32:11,960
We got like a little office center and our first employee,

694
00:32:12,119 --> 00:32:14,240
and that's kind of one. I'm like, all right, well,

695
00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:16,480
I guess I have an office now and an employee,

696
00:32:16,559 --> 00:32:18,960
so I guess this might actually be something. And then

697
00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:23,559
it kind of just kept kept growing from there, Like.

698
00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:27,160
Speaker 3: How did Armored Saint come on to your radar? I mean,

699
00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:29,960
I think they're playing this week here in Vegas. Correct,

700
00:32:30,039 --> 00:32:31,759
They're playing in Thursday. Thursday.

701
00:32:31,799 --> 00:32:33,599
Speaker 4: I will not be there, said, I'm in Dallas, and

702
00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:36,920
I need to be two people at this point in

703
00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:37,400
my life.

704
00:32:37,519 --> 00:32:39,680
Speaker 3: But right right, well, hold on, were you at the

705
00:32:39,720 --> 00:32:42,839
game last night watching my wild to get destroyed?

706
00:32:43,319 --> 00:32:46,240
Speaker 4: No? No, No, I wasn't. I wasn't. I was out

707
00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:48,799
with a girlfriend last night. So but I did watch

708
00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:50,440
the replay. Yeah, sorry about that, but.

709
00:32:52,599 --> 00:32:53,720
Speaker 3: It's brutal, it happens.

710
00:32:53,759 --> 00:32:56,240
Speaker 4: But yeah, I mean arm st it's a funny story.

711
00:32:56,240 --> 00:32:56,559
Speaker 3: Example.

712
00:32:56,680 --> 00:33:00,720
Speaker 4: Yeah, So there was a publication back in California at

713
00:33:00,759 --> 00:33:03,039
time called BAM. It was banary and magazine, but it

714
00:33:03,079 --> 00:33:05,000
was throughout the whole state and they covered a lot

715
00:33:05,039 --> 00:33:07,480
of metal and there was a full page ad for

716
00:33:07,559 --> 00:33:09,880
this band that had won some Battle of the Bands

717
00:33:09,880 --> 00:33:12,440
and they all wearing leather and spikes and they looked

718
00:33:12,519 --> 00:33:15,319
super heavy metal, and I armored Saint was the name.

719
00:33:15,359 --> 00:33:17,519
I'm like, this is amazing. So they had a phone

720
00:33:17,599 --> 00:33:20,440
number on there to call, so I called this phone number, said, hey, y,

721
00:33:20,519 --> 00:33:23,480
I'm Brian Slagall. I do these metal maskers. I'd love

722
00:33:23,559 --> 00:33:26,319
to come out and see the band. And I forget

723
00:33:26,359 --> 00:33:28,519
who was on the on the other front, said well,

724
00:33:28,559 --> 00:33:30,519
they're they're out of commission for four or five months

725
00:33:30,559 --> 00:33:34,039
because the bass player hurt his hand. And the story

726
00:33:34,119 --> 00:33:38,000
behind that, which is told in the Dirt but complete

727
00:33:38,079 --> 00:33:40,920
wrong story. Joey Vera was playing in a band with

728
00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:42,880
Tommy Lee and they had played a gig up in

729
00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:47,279
the mountains in California, and Tommy Lee picked up some

730
00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:49,440
girl and and you know, Joey was with them, and

731
00:33:49,480 --> 00:33:51,960
he was in like a Toya hatchback and it was

732
00:33:52,039 --> 00:33:55,559
snowy and whatever. They spun off the roadway and the

733
00:33:55,640 --> 00:33:59,400
ice and snow, and Joey went through the glass partition

734
00:33:59,519 --> 00:34:01,400
in the back part of the thing and and messed

735
00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:04,440
up his hands so he couldn't play for months. And

736
00:34:04,519 --> 00:34:06,480
then they finally played it played a gig and I

737
00:34:06,519 --> 00:34:08,239
went to go see them and just blown away. They

738
00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:10,960
were like, oh my god, this this sort of European

739
00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:13,280
style heavy metal band in La just you know, aside

740
00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:17,000
from Metallica. You know, Slayer wasn't I didn't know Slayer

741
00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:18,679
at that point. It's like, wow, this is really great.

742
00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:21,760
So and they were really professional, sounded amazing, and you know,

743
00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:24,239
they had a pretty big following out where they're from,

744
00:34:24,239 --> 00:34:26,800
in Pasadena and stuff. So I'd just like, hey, let's

745
00:34:26,880 --> 00:34:29,599
let's do something. And we ended up putting them on

746
00:34:29,639 --> 00:34:32,239
a metal mascer and then doing an EP and off

747
00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:34,679
that ebud they got signed to Rystalis pretty quickly, which

748
00:34:34,719 --> 00:34:35,360
is amazing.

749
00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:40,079
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's funny that, like I think Chris Chrysalis is no,

750
00:34:40,239 --> 00:34:42,880
I wasn't Christalis. There was a there was another label

751
00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:46,960
where basically they didn't know what to do with bands,

752
00:34:47,599 --> 00:34:48,400
so he was more of a.

753
00:34:48,840 --> 00:34:51,119
Speaker 4: Well that was incudible. Yeah, that was kind of all

754
00:34:51,159 --> 00:34:52,880
of them back then. I mean, even Chrysalis. You know

755
00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:56,320
Ron Fair, the guy that signed them, who's beyond become

756
00:34:56,440 --> 00:34:58,599
like you know, he was running record labels and he

757
00:34:58,679 --> 00:35:03,039
signed Christina Guilera and like a whole bunch of huge bands.

758
00:35:03,639 --> 00:35:05,400
But he was great, he loved the band. But yeah,

759
00:35:05,480 --> 00:35:07,840
Christals just had no idea what to do with them

760
00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:10,159
at all. They didn't have any other metal rock bands

761
00:35:10,199 --> 00:35:12,519
at that point. They didn't really anybody at the label

762
00:35:12,559 --> 00:35:15,400
that really knew how to market and promote it, so

763
00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:17,280
you know, it went the way it did.

764
00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:23,039
Speaker 3: How much did MTV help you out, because obviously once

765
00:35:23,119 --> 00:35:25,760
the head Banger's Ball started, you started seeing some of

766
00:35:25,840 --> 00:35:28,159
these bands, and how much did that help your business?

767
00:35:28,679 --> 00:35:31,519
Speaker 4: Oh? Massively huge. I mean there to this day, I

768
00:35:31,960 --> 00:35:33,639
talked to so many kids who said, I first I

769
00:35:33,719 --> 00:35:36,320
first heard about your bands on the head Banger's Ball,

770
00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:38,280
and yeah, it was massive. And you get a video

771
00:35:38,320 --> 00:35:41,000
on head Banger's Ball once a week. You know, you

772
00:35:41,119 --> 00:35:44,000
had millions of people watching that show. You could just

773
00:35:44,079 --> 00:35:46,960
see once once the video got played on there that

774
00:35:47,039 --> 00:35:49,280
you know, record sales went up and just kind of

775
00:35:49,320 --> 00:35:51,199
everything went up for the band. So it was massive,

776
00:35:51,480 --> 00:35:52,960
I mean, just not just for us, for the entire

777
00:35:53,199 --> 00:35:56,280
metal community. It was amazing because we had this outlet

778
00:35:56,360 --> 00:35:58,239
that we never had before because before there was this

779
00:35:58,320 --> 00:36:00,880
all underground and you're talking about college radio stations and

780
00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:03,280
fanzines and you know, all the underground stuff, and all

781
00:36:03,280 --> 00:36:05,960
of a sudden, here's this. You know, MTV was massively

782
00:36:06,079 --> 00:36:08,840
huge at that time, So you had this mainstream channel

783
00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:11,880
that would devote an hour or two of metal every week,

784
00:36:11,960 --> 00:36:14,920
which was just incredible. And then you know, Beefa's Buttthead

785
00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:16,679
came along and that was a big thing for us

786
00:36:16,719 --> 00:36:19,360
because they loved a lot of our bands, and so yeah,

787
00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:21,159
that was huge, hugely important.

788
00:36:21,679 --> 00:36:24,880
Speaker 3: Was there ever a band where you just randomly saw

789
00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:27,800
them and went, ah, fuck, I gotta do something with

790
00:36:27,880 --> 00:36:28,320
these guys.

791
00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:32,639
Speaker 4: Huh. I mean, well, kind of you know, happened in

792
00:36:32,719 --> 00:36:35,280
the early days in the scene in LA because you know,

793
00:36:35,320 --> 00:36:37,840
I didn't you know, I think I saw like a

794
00:36:37,960 --> 00:36:40,039
band Savage Grace, that was like, oh man, these these

795
00:36:40,079 --> 00:36:42,039
guys are really good, and then we worked with them

796
00:36:42,079 --> 00:36:44,480
and then they're offshoot omen and there's a few of

797
00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:46,760
them in the early days, but for the most part,

798
00:36:46,800 --> 00:36:48,880
it was really from demo tapes that I got, like,

799
00:36:49,639 --> 00:36:51,639
you know, back in the early days, like Trouble just

800
00:36:51,960 --> 00:36:54,800
sent just cold Set me a demo from Chicago and

801
00:36:54,800 --> 00:36:57,440
I was like, oh my god, this is amazing. Uh Voivod,

802
00:36:57,519 --> 00:36:59,440
you know band from Canada sent me a demo. I

803
00:36:59,519 --> 00:37:01,119
was like, oh my god, this is amazing. Work with

804
00:37:01,159 --> 00:37:03,559
them and Fates Warning same thing. Got this demo from

805
00:37:03,559 --> 00:37:05,880
Fates Warning. I remember we got the demo and it

806
00:37:05,960 --> 00:37:08,360
was so good, it sounded so good. I remember calling

807
00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:10,639
up I think it was Jim with THEOS who's the

808
00:37:10,719 --> 00:37:13,119
main guy, and said, hey, can we like release this

809
00:37:13,360 --> 00:37:15,239
like this? I think we can remix this and re

810
00:37:15,360 --> 00:37:17,320
release it. And he's like, what are you talking about?

811
00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:19,639
And so we ended up adding a couple more songs

812
00:37:19,679 --> 00:37:22,239
and started working with them. So that's that's the most

813
00:37:22,280 --> 00:37:24,920
part I think, trying to think. I don't think there's

814
00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:27,519
any like Cold Times where I went and saw somebody.

815
00:37:27,599 --> 00:37:30,119
Most of the time I had heard about them. For example,

816
00:37:30,599 --> 00:37:32,639
Sacred Reich was a band I heard about in Phoenix

817
00:37:32,679 --> 00:37:35,400
well before that, even Floughts them and Jetsam. They were

818
00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:37,519
opening for a couple of bands, and people said you

819
00:37:37,519 --> 00:37:39,079
should come out and see them. So I went and

820
00:37:39,199 --> 00:37:41,199
saw them and blew me away and we signed them.

821
00:37:41,239 --> 00:37:43,840
And it was similar take with Sacred Reich as well

822
00:37:43,880 --> 00:37:44,559
out in Phoenix.

823
00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:49,280
Speaker 3: When did you start getting an influx of demos?

824
00:37:51,320 --> 00:37:53,840
Speaker 4: Honestly, after the first Metal Masacar came out, I mean

825
00:37:53,840 --> 00:37:55,960
all of a sudden, I didn't really you know, I

826
00:37:56,039 --> 00:37:58,199
didn't know there was all these other bands and other

827
00:37:58,360 --> 00:38:01,880
parts of the cun Tree and the world that we're

828
00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:03,559
doing the same thing. I just thought, there, here's our

829
00:38:03,599 --> 00:38:06,159
little scene in La And of course there's no internet

830
00:38:06,280 --> 00:38:08,920
or anything back then, but yeah, I started getting demos

831
00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:12,280
really quickly, and then by the time, you know, we

832
00:38:12,360 --> 00:38:14,599
put on a bitch EP and then a metal masker too,

833
00:38:14,800 --> 00:38:17,679
and then it was the mailbox. I think I had

834
00:38:17,719 --> 00:38:20,320
an appeal box at that point, because the mailbox in

835
00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:22,679
my mom's house started getting a little too small.

836
00:38:24,239 --> 00:38:28,000
Speaker 3: Was there any demos that you heard that you're like, ah,

837
00:38:28,559 --> 00:38:31,400
that actually went on to be something big.

838
00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:35,719
Speaker 4: I don't think so. There probably is, because there's a

839
00:38:35,800 --> 00:38:39,119
couple of bands I know over the years that said that,

840
00:38:39,159 --> 00:38:40,880
well he sent you a demo way back in the day,

841
00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:43,480
but even they admit it wasn't particularly very good at

842
00:38:43,519 --> 00:38:47,280
the time. But not too much, I think, because there

843
00:38:47,760 --> 00:38:50,639
weren't that many bands and you could tell, you know,

844
00:38:50,679 --> 00:38:53,239
I mean, that's the one, I guess, one thing that

845
00:38:53,320 --> 00:38:55,199
I can. I can tell what's good and what's not good,

846
00:38:55,199 --> 00:38:57,599
and luckily things that I like other people like. So

847
00:38:57,719 --> 00:38:59,519
there weren't too weren't too many of those things that

848
00:38:59,599 --> 00:39:02,199
we that I would hear and we missed out on.

849
00:39:02,679 --> 00:39:04,960
I guess the only thing would probably be the early

850
00:39:05,039 --> 00:39:08,960
death metal stuff is I wasn't really super into.

851
00:39:08,760 --> 00:39:09,320
Speaker 3: It at the time.

852
00:39:09,400 --> 00:39:11,960
Speaker 4: I was late to the party where you know, Relapse

853
00:39:12,079 --> 00:39:15,719
and and Earache and some of those other labels. Roadrunner

854
00:39:15,800 --> 00:39:17,840
were you know, way way into it. So I know

855
00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:20,320
we got some of those band's demos at the at

856
00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:23,199
that time, but just wasn't my thing quite yet. It

857
00:39:23,280 --> 00:39:25,199
took took me a minute to latch onto that.

858
00:39:26,760 --> 00:39:31,519
Speaker 3: I jump all over in this show, uh Napster. When

859
00:39:31,679 --> 00:39:36,000
Napster happened as a record label owner, what was your

860
00:39:36,840 --> 00:39:40,960
initial thoughts and was there did you have any ideas

861
00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:41,760
of how to fix it?

862
00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:45,679
Speaker 4: Well, see, here's the thing. I totally understood as a

863
00:39:46,119 --> 00:39:48,559
record buyer. I totally understood that you would go spend

864
00:39:48,599 --> 00:39:50,639
twenty dollars to buy a record, you'd have one good

865
00:39:50,719 --> 00:39:52,639
song on it. I was like, happened to me, and

866
00:39:52,679 --> 00:39:55,719
I was like, this sucks so and that was happening

867
00:39:55,760 --> 00:39:58,119
a lot. So you know, these people found out a

868
00:39:58,199 --> 00:40:01,679
way to make the music free, and everybody like, hey,

869
00:40:01,800 --> 00:40:04,079
we can get music for free and it's good. So

870
00:40:04,360 --> 00:40:09,400
as opposed to going out and saying, oh, this is

871
00:40:09,519 --> 00:40:11,119
terrible and you know, a lot of people were saying

872
00:40:11,159 --> 00:40:13,159
all those sort of things. I was like, well, how

873
00:40:13,239 --> 00:40:16,000
can we how can we embrace this because these are

874
00:40:16,039 --> 00:40:17,760
our fans, so we don't want to piss off our

875
00:40:17,800 --> 00:40:21,400
fans by saying don't do this. So what we did

876
00:40:21,800 --> 00:40:24,320
was we the bands were really great because the bands

877
00:40:24,320 --> 00:40:26,880
would come out and say like, look, we understand why

878
00:40:26,920 --> 00:40:29,199
you're doing this, and you know, more power to you.

879
00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:32,760
But if you keep getting all this music for free

880
00:40:33,280 --> 00:40:35,239
and we can't make any money, we can't make any

881
00:40:35,280 --> 00:40:37,960
more music for you to enjoy. That's just the reality

882
00:40:38,039 --> 00:40:41,920
of it. And slowly but surely kids started figuring that out.

883
00:40:41,920 --> 00:40:44,159
I remember at some point there was a whole thing

884
00:40:44,159 --> 00:40:45,519
where it was kind of a badge of honor to

885
00:40:45,559 --> 00:40:48,320
buy the CDEs of the bands now to support them,

886
00:40:48,880 --> 00:40:51,519
and more so I think in our world than anybody else.

887
00:40:52,199 --> 00:40:54,280
And I never said, and I don't think any of

888
00:40:54,280 --> 00:40:56,239
the bands ever said anything terrible about it, like you know,

889
00:40:56,320 --> 00:40:58,400
fuck these guys or anything like that. It's just like, hey,

890
00:40:59,199 --> 00:41:01,440
we get it, we understand why you're doing this, but

891
00:41:01,559 --> 00:41:03,679
here's the reasons why you shouldn't be doing this. And

892
00:41:03,760 --> 00:41:05,000
we kind of looked at it like, well, you know,

893
00:41:05,400 --> 00:41:07,559
at least people are listening to these bands and getting

894
00:41:07,599 --> 00:41:10,480
able to hear them, which is good, and you know

895
00:41:10,559 --> 00:41:12,320
all of that sort of stuff. So we didn't really

896
00:41:12,559 --> 00:41:14,679
rebel against it. We just did what we could to

897
00:41:14,920 --> 00:41:17,559
control what we could control. And again it was really

898
00:41:17,599 --> 00:41:20,320
the band's narrative, and we made a point to tell

899
00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:21,800
you know, these bands, you got to tell that your

900
00:41:21,880 --> 00:41:24,159
fans like, hey, this is we get it, we understand,

901
00:41:24,239 --> 00:41:27,119
but if you keep doing this, you might not get

902
00:41:27,119 --> 00:41:28,239
any music from us anymore.

903
00:41:28,599 --> 00:41:31,800
Speaker 3: Right. Well, the thing that I used it, I mean

904
00:41:31,920 --> 00:41:34,880
like everybody did, but I would like i'd listen to

905
00:41:34,960 --> 00:41:37,000
something that I'd go out and buy it, yeah, you know,

906
00:41:37,039 --> 00:41:40,599
because because I like having you know, physical product. And

907
00:41:40,719 --> 00:41:42,840
the thing that I really hated is when stuff was

908
00:41:42,880 --> 00:41:45,599
coming out before the album would come out, you know,

909
00:41:45,719 --> 00:41:47,800
it's like here's the new Panterra sy It's like, what

910
00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:51,800
the fuck it's not coming over like five months, you know.

911
00:41:51,920 --> 00:41:53,599
Speaker 4: Yeah, that was the big the big trouble.

912
00:41:53,639 --> 00:41:54,519
Speaker 3: We had to do, like i e.

913
00:41:55,079 --> 00:41:57,039
Speaker 4: Encrypt everything and do all these things to make sure

914
00:41:57,119 --> 00:41:59,360
when we send out promo copies to the magazine and stuff,

915
00:41:59,400 --> 00:42:02,119
it didn't get out. And you know, all that stuff

916
00:42:02,239 --> 00:42:04,320
was kind of tricky and expensive.

917
00:42:04,039 --> 00:42:06,480
Speaker 3: But yeah, it is what it is. Well, it's weird.

918
00:42:07,039 --> 00:42:11,239
I have the Silver Tide CD, a band out of Philadelphia,

919
00:42:11,239 --> 00:42:13,760
a great rock band from the from the early two thousands,

920
00:42:14,199 --> 00:42:17,400
and I can't rip it to my computer. It will

921
00:42:17,559 --> 00:42:18,559
not let me rip it.

922
00:42:18,719 --> 00:42:21,559
Speaker 4: It was like you said, it was yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

923
00:42:22,039 --> 00:42:23,400
Speaker 3: Did you guys ever do anything like that?

924
00:42:24,039 --> 00:42:26,280
Speaker 4: I think we did. I think we did a few

925
00:42:26,360 --> 00:42:29,840
of those things, but really no, because it just it

926
00:42:29,920 --> 00:42:33,320
was expensive to do, and I just felt like, you know,

927
00:42:33,360 --> 00:42:35,599
these kids are gonna be pissed off, like you know, yeah,

928
00:42:35,880 --> 00:42:38,599
no reason. Again, we don't want to anger the fans.

929
00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:40,679
We don't want them to be upset with us. I

930
00:42:40,760 --> 00:42:43,800
think it was more about an education system of why

931
00:42:44,719 --> 00:42:45,800
it's a problem if.

932
00:42:45,719 --> 00:42:51,039
Speaker 3: You do this, so like moving forward, I mean now

933
00:42:51,199 --> 00:42:54,480
it's like, you know how everything works, now, what is

934
00:42:54,639 --> 00:42:57,800
the best way to release music now? Because I was

935
00:42:57,880 --> 00:43:01,400
talking to a Cat from the band and the Young Dubliners,

936
00:43:02,119 --> 00:43:04,159
and he was saying that we have to release singles

937
00:43:04,239 --> 00:43:06,960
because if we don't, if we release the entire record

938
00:43:07,599 --> 00:43:10,280
and then you release a single after that, it doesn't

939
00:43:10,320 --> 00:43:12,800
count as a single because it's already out on the album.

940
00:43:15,159 --> 00:43:18,079
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's true. I think the way you know, we

941
00:43:18,480 --> 00:43:20,599
I mean most labels and you know, we kind of

942
00:43:20,639 --> 00:43:22,119
I don't want to say follow the leader, but we do,

943
00:43:22,239 --> 00:43:24,000
you know, what everybody else does. And that's the kind

944
00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:25,480
of the way you do now. You release two or

945
00:43:25,519 --> 00:43:28,760
three singles before the record. It's more for people to

946
00:43:28,960 --> 00:43:30,840
hear the stuff and you go, oh, that's cool, we

947
00:43:31,039 --> 00:43:32,440
like it, and kind of get the word out that

948
00:43:32,480 --> 00:43:34,559
the record's coming out. And then by the time the

949
00:43:34,599 --> 00:43:36,320
record comes out, I just heard a couple of songs,

950
00:43:36,360 --> 00:43:38,519
they've seen a couple of videos, and then you know,

951
00:43:38,920 --> 00:43:41,280
we end up having these you know, massive first weeks

952
00:43:41,400 --> 00:43:44,079
of sales, which is great because you know, we've had

953
00:43:44,280 --> 00:43:46,960
I don't know, in the past few years, ten or

954
00:43:47,000 --> 00:43:50,880
fifteen top ten Billboard albums, which is kind of crazy

955
00:43:50,960 --> 00:43:53,440
the way things are these days. But yeah, that's it's

956
00:43:53,519 --> 00:43:56,400
kind of the way you do it. But I think, yeah,

957
00:43:56,400 --> 00:43:58,000
the problem is if you put out the full record

958
00:43:58,079 --> 00:44:00,599
and trying to carve a single out of it is

959
00:44:00,800 --> 00:44:02,440
just people already heard the record and it's like, well,

960
00:44:02,440 --> 00:44:04,559
we don't really you know, they'll pick the songs, but

961
00:44:04,679 --> 00:44:08,079
it's better to do it beforehand. And also just lead

962
00:44:08,199 --> 00:44:10,280
up to it so people know it's coming out and

963
00:44:10,840 --> 00:44:12,480
you know, all of those things. Although there's a lot

964
00:44:12,519 --> 00:44:15,760
of artists now that are just only releasing singles yea,

965
00:44:15,840 --> 00:44:18,079
and not even releasing albums, and even in the rock

966
00:44:18,119 --> 00:44:21,440
and metal world, so we're not quite there yet. But

967
00:44:22,719 --> 00:44:24,719
but you can do whatever you want. Like with King Diamond,

968
00:44:24,760 --> 00:44:27,400
we've released you know, two singles in the last couple

969
00:44:27,440 --> 00:44:29,440
of years because trying to get the album done has

970
00:44:29,480 --> 00:44:32,920
been a little difficult. But you can do that because

971
00:44:33,119 --> 00:44:34,519
you know, you can kind of do whatever you want

972
00:44:34,599 --> 00:44:37,480
now there's really no no rules any any longer. So

973
00:44:37,679 --> 00:44:40,519
that's kind of do you do you like that though?

974
00:44:40,960 --> 00:44:43,760
Speaker 3: Do you do you miss the old way of doing it,

975
00:44:44,400 --> 00:44:47,199
you know, before all the technology or like boom, this

976
00:44:47,320 --> 00:44:49,320
is it. You know, you put out the single before

977
00:44:49,360 --> 00:44:51,360
the album and then you know, then you release a

978
00:44:51,400 --> 00:44:52,039
couple of singles.

979
00:44:52,519 --> 00:44:55,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, look, I get why it's done. That's fine.

980
00:44:55,400 --> 00:44:59,119
But what I do personally is I don't listen. I

981
00:44:59,159 --> 00:45:01,639
don't listen to this before they come out. I wait

982
00:45:01,760 --> 00:45:03,800
until the day the record comes out, and that that's

983
00:45:03,880 --> 00:45:06,760
whether it's one of our records or one of the

984
00:45:07,079 --> 00:45:09,280
band that I really love, like for example, you know

985
00:45:09,360 --> 00:45:12,119
Iron Maiden, like I easily could have got you know,

986
00:45:13,320 --> 00:45:17,119
singles and and you know, pre album releases to listen

987
00:45:17,159 --> 00:45:18,840
to the whole record. But I don't want to do that.

988
00:45:18,880 --> 00:45:20,719
I want to wait, just like just like I did

989
00:45:20,719 --> 00:45:22,159
as a kid, like listen to it. I'll get the

990
00:45:22,199 --> 00:45:24,360
records out of the day. And even with our stuff,

991
00:45:24,440 --> 00:45:27,039
I hate to listen to the record too early because

992
00:45:27,079 --> 00:45:28,480
then by the time it comes out, you're like, hey,

993
00:45:28,880 --> 00:45:30,800
I've already listened to that record on a thousand times.

994
00:45:30,800 --> 00:45:33,320
So I wait, even on our records to go listen

995
00:45:33,400 --> 00:45:36,400
to it and then try to get into it, which

996
00:45:36,440 --> 00:45:38,519
is which is kind of kind of fun to do,

997
00:45:38,800 --> 00:45:41,559
so just makes it differently. But but the other way

998
00:45:41,719 --> 00:45:43,400
is the way people are used to having it done,

999
00:45:43,440 --> 00:45:45,519
and I get it. It gets people excited for the

1000
00:45:45,559 --> 00:45:47,639
record by hearing there's a new song, and then they

1001
00:45:47,679 --> 00:45:49,800
hear another new one and they get super excited for

1002
00:45:49,880 --> 00:45:51,920
the record, and the record comes out it does really well.

1003
00:45:52,000 --> 00:45:55,119
So so that formula seems to work. So uh, you know,

1004
00:45:55,199 --> 00:45:55,599
we'll do it.

1005
00:45:56,559 --> 00:45:58,440
Speaker 3: So we I mean, we have to dive into kiss

1006
00:45:58,480 --> 00:46:01,199
before we go actually, before we get in kiss into

1007
00:46:01,280 --> 00:46:03,519
the void you are you were a consultant on the

1008
00:46:03,599 --> 00:46:06,840
series Into the Void on on Hulu. How did that

1009
00:46:07,079 --> 00:46:09,880
whole thing come about and were you what did you

1010
00:46:09,920 --> 00:46:11,000
think of the finished product.

1011
00:46:12,760 --> 00:46:16,800
Speaker 4: Yeah, there's a company called Banger Films, Sam Dunn and

1012
00:46:17,079 --> 00:46:19,400
Scott McFadden up in Canada that did you know the

1013
00:46:19,440 --> 00:46:24,559
Alice Cooper documentary, the Rush Seasy Top, the Metal Evolution

1014
00:46:25,519 --> 00:46:28,199
series Flight six x six Byron Maid And they do

1015
00:46:28,280 --> 00:46:30,960
amazing work. So some of the people that were like

1016
00:46:31,079 --> 00:46:33,719
the behind the scenes people there because I did a

1017
00:46:33,760 --> 00:46:36,159
lot of work with them, they went over to this

1018
00:46:36,400 --> 00:46:38,320
this company and Hulu. It's these guys that do this

1019
00:46:38,480 --> 00:46:40,679
show called Dark Side of the Ring, which is a

1020
00:46:40,960 --> 00:46:43,000
you know, the wrestling kind of the dark side of

1021
00:46:43,000 --> 00:46:45,639
Wrestling sort of thing. And I'm not a big wrestling

1022
00:46:45,679 --> 00:46:48,239
guy these days, so you know, I didn't really know

1023
00:46:48,360 --> 00:46:50,960
who they were. But somebody that I knew from Banger

1024
00:46:51,039 --> 00:46:53,719
Films said, Hey, we're starting this new venture and we

1025
00:46:53,800 --> 00:46:55,280
have this new thing we'd like to talk to you about.

1026
00:46:55,280 --> 00:46:57,440
I'm all right, So I get on with you know,

1027
00:46:57,519 --> 00:47:00,280
Evan and the producers and a couple of the people

1028
00:47:00,280 --> 00:47:03,800
from from Bangor who now work for the new company,

1029
00:47:04,559 --> 00:47:06,679
and they're just telling me like they were like humongous

1030
00:47:06,719 --> 00:47:09,320
metal heads and you know, they do the show Dogs

1031
00:47:09,320 --> 00:47:10,880
out of the Ring they've done for four or five years,

1032
00:47:10,920 --> 00:47:13,440
and they really wanted to do a metal thing and

1033
00:47:13,639 --> 00:47:16,440
they went to Hulu because it's on Hulu, and Hulu said,

1034
00:47:16,440 --> 00:47:17,199
whatever you guys want to.

1035
00:47:17,199 --> 00:47:17,679
Speaker 3: Do, you can do it.

1036
00:47:18,199 --> 00:47:20,000
Speaker 4: So they were like, we want you to come in

1037
00:47:20,119 --> 00:47:22,360
and help us because they you know, they love the music,

1038
00:47:22,440 --> 00:47:25,320
but they don't know anybody. So it's kind of like,

1039
00:47:25,360 --> 00:47:27,519
can you come in and help us kind of with

1040
00:47:27,840 --> 00:47:31,000
you know, getting people involved and getting his phone numbers

1041
00:47:31,079 --> 00:47:33,079
and talking to people and also just kind of helping

1042
00:47:33,159 --> 00:47:36,039
us with the concepts and these sort of things. So

1043
00:47:36,199 --> 00:47:37,559
I was like, yeah, it sounds it sounds like fun

1044
00:47:37,639 --> 00:47:39,719
of me. Anything I can do kind of the podcasts

1045
00:47:39,760 --> 00:47:41,360
the same thing. Anything I can do to get metal

1046
00:47:41,400 --> 00:47:43,559
to the mainstream or a different audience, and it's certainly

1047
00:47:43,719 --> 00:47:47,239
a television show on Hulu is amazing. So we just

1048
00:47:47,280 --> 00:47:49,440
went about it. It was definitely a lot more work

1049
00:47:49,559 --> 00:47:51,960
than I thought it was going to be. Uh, you know,

1050
00:47:52,039 --> 00:47:53,840
they they paid me for it, but they you know,

1051
00:47:53,880 --> 00:47:55,800
probably I probably think I made a dollar an hour.

1052
00:47:55,960 --> 00:48:00,280
Maybe it all comes to welcome to my world. And

1053
00:48:00,360 --> 00:48:02,159
it was difficult too, because you know, we're trying to

1054
00:48:02,199 --> 00:48:05,320
convince people that don't know there's no show, there's nothing

1055
00:48:05,360 --> 00:48:07,119
you can say like, hey, this is what it looks like.

1056
00:48:07,239 --> 00:48:11,239
You're kind of putting your hopes on these guys who

1057
00:48:11,800 --> 00:48:14,599
you know, do a wrestling thing to make a music thing.

1058
00:48:14,719 --> 00:48:17,119
So it took a long time, and like, for example,

1059
00:48:17,199 --> 00:48:19,400
the Pentear episode, you know, I talked to read A

1060
00:48:20,559 --> 00:48:23,320
six or seven months ago before they even ended up

1061
00:48:23,360 --> 00:48:25,559
doing anything, and she's like yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah,

1062
00:48:25,559 --> 00:48:27,840
and just kind of never happened, and I kept bugging her.

1063
00:48:27,840 --> 00:48:29,800
I feel bad bugging her, but it's like, you know, hey,

1064
00:48:29,880 --> 00:48:31,559
you know, we'd still love to do this, And eventually

1065
00:48:31,559 --> 00:48:34,519
it happened and it worked out great because the episode's

1066
00:48:34,559 --> 00:48:37,800
fantastic and Reda's like loved all the producers, all the people.

1067
00:48:37,800 --> 00:48:40,119
They're all part of the family now, so so that

1068
00:48:40,320 --> 00:48:43,159
was really cool. But yeah, it was difficult because you know,

1069
00:48:43,320 --> 00:48:45,559
trying to get you know, Sharon Osbourne and you know,

1070
00:48:45,599 --> 00:48:48,400
these people aren't easy to get to get into something

1071
00:48:48,440 --> 00:48:51,199
and it's something that they don't know really what it is, right,

1072
00:48:51,280 --> 00:48:52,880
and even for me, I was doing all this work,

1073
00:48:52,920 --> 00:48:54,679
but I didn't see any of the footage. They interviewed

1074
00:48:54,719 --> 00:48:57,119
me a lot for the death one, and there's another

1075
00:48:57,719 --> 00:48:59,800
there's a Cliff Burton one in the can that hopefully,

1076
00:49:00,159 --> 00:49:03,079
hopefully we get a season two. Yeah, that was really great.

1077
00:49:03,880 --> 00:49:05,360
That was going to come out. But then at the

1078
00:49:05,400 --> 00:49:07,559
last minute the Metallica people said, Okay, we want to

1079
00:49:07,599 --> 00:49:09,280
get involved with this now and you know, maybe get

1080
00:49:09,320 --> 00:49:11,199
the band interviewed and stuff. So we kind of, yeah, smart,

1081
00:49:11,239 --> 00:49:12,880
couldn't get it done in time, But hopefully there's a

1082
00:49:12,880 --> 00:49:14,400
season too, because that's going to be a really really

1083
00:49:14,440 --> 00:49:15,119
great episode.

1084
00:49:15,159 --> 00:49:15,400
Speaker 3: Wow.

1085
00:49:16,079 --> 00:49:17,480
Speaker 4: But even for me, and you know, I'm doing all this,

1086
00:49:17,559 --> 00:49:19,760
but I don't know what it's going to look like.

1087
00:49:19,840 --> 00:49:21,000
I don't know how it's going to be, you know,

1088
00:49:21,079 --> 00:49:23,760
the dark Side. I watched a few of the Dark

1089
00:49:23,800 --> 00:49:25,559
Side of the Ring things and they're really dark and

1090
00:49:25,679 --> 00:49:28,199
kind of exploited a little bit, and I didn't want that.

1091
00:49:28,440 --> 00:49:29,920
I said, I don't want to be involved with that.

1092
00:49:30,239 --> 00:49:31,719
So they did a good job. I think I've seen

1093
00:49:31,719 --> 00:49:33,199
all the episodes. I think they're fantastic.

1094
00:49:33,639 --> 00:49:33,960
Speaker 3: So far.

1095
00:49:34,079 --> 00:49:37,559
Speaker 4: The reaction from everybody I know, like ninety five percent

1096
00:49:37,639 --> 00:49:40,760
have all been super positive and so so it's been

1097
00:49:40,800 --> 00:49:43,440
a good experience, and more importantly, the people that were

1098
00:49:43,480 --> 00:49:46,920
involved in telling these stories, from the family members to

1099
00:49:46,960 --> 00:49:49,199
everybody else, really seem to be happy with the way

1100
00:49:49,280 --> 00:49:50,400
the episode turned out too.

1101
00:49:50,519 --> 00:49:53,440
Speaker 3: So yeah, well it was taken because I was a

1102
00:49:53,519 --> 00:49:55,440
couple of weeks ago I interviewed and I sent you

1103
00:49:55,519 --> 00:49:58,480
the picture of Jason McMaster wearing his old school metal

1104
00:49:58,480 --> 00:49:58,960
blade shirt.

1105
00:49:59,039 --> 00:49:59,199
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1106
00:49:59,280 --> 00:50:01,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I asked him before we did, It's like,

1107
00:50:01,800 --> 00:50:04,760
have you watched this series yet? And he's like, no,

1108
00:50:04,920 --> 00:50:06,960
I don't have Hulu was like, fuck, just get a

1109
00:50:07,159 --> 00:50:09,920
trial just so you can watch it, you know, and

1110
00:50:10,119 --> 00:50:14,880
we're but I brought it up and he I started

1111
00:50:14,920 --> 00:50:17,800
talking about because he's a he's a metal metal guy,

1112
00:50:19,559 --> 00:50:23,840
you know, Jason, he hails you. And also he pulls

1113
00:50:23,960 --> 00:50:26,360
up this picture of him and the guy from Death

1114
00:50:27,960 --> 00:50:31,800
because they had worked together, you know, years ago, and

1115
00:50:31,920 --> 00:50:34,519
he's like, oh, dude, it's like it's so funny how

1116
00:50:34,679 --> 00:50:36,159
small this whole community is.

1117
00:50:37,840 --> 00:50:40,920
Speaker 4: Very much. So yeah, he's another lifer. He's a great dude.

1118
00:50:41,000 --> 00:50:43,119
Speaker 3: Yeah, all right, So we got to get into kiss

1119
00:50:43,159 --> 00:50:47,440
before I let you go. Uh when did kiss? First?

1120
00:50:47,519 --> 00:50:50,079
I was just watching your episode with Stony, so of

1121
00:50:50,159 --> 00:50:52,199
course I got kiss on my fucking brain because I

1122
00:50:52,360 --> 00:50:55,719
always have Kiss on my brain. When did Kiss hit you?

1123
00:50:57,239 --> 00:50:59,039
Speaker 4: Well, I was really lucky. I grew up in LA

1124
00:50:59,119 --> 00:51:01,719
in the seventies, and I think it was it was.

1125
00:51:02,000 --> 00:51:03,920
I was pretty sure I started in seventy five.

1126
00:51:03,840 --> 00:51:06,199
Speaker 3: But we had a hold on, hold on. How old

1127
00:51:06,280 --> 00:51:06,519
were you.

1128
00:51:08,039 --> 00:51:09,159
Speaker 4: And seventy five? I was fourteen?

1129
00:51:09,599 --> 00:51:10,440
Speaker 3: Okay, okay.

1130
00:51:11,559 --> 00:51:13,599
Speaker 4: So we have a radio station in LA called k

1131
00:51:13,760 --> 00:51:16,360
West and it was an early FM radio station and

1132
00:51:16,400 --> 00:51:19,800
they played all metal. That's where I discovered Judas Priest,

1133
00:51:20,000 --> 00:51:26,719
a Ufo, Kiss, so many other other bands, Rush and

1134
00:51:26,840 --> 00:51:28,719
all that stuff. They were playing all this all that

1135
00:51:28,960 --> 00:51:31,159
you know, seventies rock stuff. So it's I first heard

1136
00:51:31,239 --> 00:51:33,039
rock and roll all night on the radio station. I

1137
00:51:33,079 --> 00:51:35,360
was like, oh wow, what's this and went out and

1138
00:51:35,360 --> 00:51:36,880
bought the record. I was like, oh, this is great,

1139
00:51:36,880 --> 00:51:38,760
and then of course backtrack to the early records and

1140
00:51:38,840 --> 00:51:41,960
then I became obsessed with Kiss. They became my favorite band,

1141
00:51:42,239 --> 00:51:43,920
you know, pretty much right away I was making like

1142
00:51:44,000 --> 00:51:47,679
homemade Kiss shirts to where to school. These people at school,

1143
00:51:48,360 --> 00:51:50,000
what do you what is that? What are you doing?

1144
00:51:50,239 --> 00:51:51,719
I was like, no, this is a really great band.

1145
00:51:51,800 --> 00:51:56,119
So yeah, so I start started getting into them right. Probably.

1146
00:51:56,159 --> 00:51:58,880
I think that that album Tres to Kill had maybe

1147
00:51:58,960 --> 00:52:02,199
been out, I don't know, a couple a month or so,

1148
00:52:02,360 --> 00:52:03,800
probably before I got into it. And like I said,

1149
00:52:03,840 --> 00:52:05,440
then I went backwards to hotter than Allen Kiss.

1150
00:52:05,519 --> 00:52:08,280
Speaker 3: So you uh, and you said you first saw him

1151
00:52:08,320 --> 00:52:09,840
on the A Live Tour seventy six.

1152
00:52:10,079 --> 00:52:12,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, it first comes whatever nineteen February nineteen seventy six

1153
00:52:13,159 --> 00:52:15,199
on the live tour. Yeah, it was incredible.

1154
00:52:15,199 --> 00:52:15,360
Speaker 3: I got.

1155
00:52:15,400 --> 00:52:17,760
Speaker 4: I got super lucky because I was you know, I

1156
00:52:17,880 --> 00:52:19,679
was only what fifteen at that point. My mom was

1157
00:52:20,440 --> 00:52:22,800
not gonna let me go to any concerts at that point.

1158
00:52:22,920 --> 00:52:24,320
But I live next door to this.

1159
00:52:24,559 --> 00:52:24,679
Speaker 2: Uh.

1160
00:52:25,480 --> 00:52:27,440
Speaker 4: He's had a huge influence. He was an R and

1161
00:52:27,559 --> 00:52:29,199
B artist. He had a couple of records out on

1162
00:52:29,239 --> 00:52:32,519
A and M record. His name is Carl Graves, Black

1163
00:52:32,639 --> 00:52:34,239
R and B guy, had a couple of hits. But

1164
00:52:34,320 --> 00:52:35,800
he moved in next door to us, and he had

1165
00:52:35,840 --> 00:52:38,719
a studio and all this stuff. So you know, I

1166
00:52:38,719 --> 00:52:40,440
would hang out in the studio a lot. He let

1167
00:52:40,440 --> 00:52:41,880
me hang out. He gave me my first ever real

1168
00:52:41,960 --> 00:52:44,559
real tape. When he go on tour, he his his

1169
00:52:44,639 --> 00:52:46,639
wife would go on tour. I'd watched the house of

1170
00:52:46,679 --> 00:52:49,159
the studio for them. He was just a great guy

1171
00:52:49,199 --> 00:52:50,719
and he knew how much I wanted to go to

1172
00:52:50,840 --> 00:52:52,880
that show. So he went to my mom and said,

1173
00:52:52,920 --> 00:52:55,440
I'll take him. Like, I'll take him, don't worry about it,

1174
00:52:55,519 --> 00:52:57,559
I'll take him. And so he took me and it

1175
00:52:57,719 --> 00:53:00,519
was like, you know, just an unreal expert. I mean,

1176
00:53:00,559 --> 00:53:03,159
the first the first show anyways, like oh my gosh,

1177
00:53:03,199 --> 00:53:06,159
what is this? But see Kiss of all things? Then

1178
00:53:06,239 --> 00:53:08,599
it was just spectacular. They did the whole Kiss Alive

1179
00:53:08,840 --> 00:53:09,719
set so nice.

1180
00:53:09,960 --> 00:53:10,199
Speaker 2: It was.

1181
00:53:10,719 --> 00:53:14,599
Speaker 4: It was incredible and scary. He moved away and kind

1182
00:53:14,639 --> 00:53:18,119
of lost track from years later, our lawyer works with

1183
00:53:18,320 --> 00:53:20,400
ingle Boyino and he was asking me, do you know

1184
00:53:20,440 --> 00:53:23,280
a guy named Carl Graves. I go, yeah, he was

1185
00:53:23,400 --> 00:53:25,119
the guy that you know it took me a first concert.

1186
00:53:25,239 --> 00:53:27,239
Well he's a keyboard player out in ingle Boyino.

1187
00:53:27,559 --> 00:53:28,000
Speaker 3: Oh wow.

1188
00:53:28,119 --> 00:53:30,559
Speaker 4: So we kind of reconnected years later because I think

1189
00:53:30,920 --> 00:53:32,960
supposed that he had talked to Bill and said, hey,

1190
00:53:34,039 --> 00:53:36,239
do you know the guy that runs Metal Blade, and yeah,

1191
00:53:36,360 --> 00:53:38,239
he's been our client since day one, So that was

1192
00:53:38,360 --> 00:53:41,559
that was pretty cool. But yeah, so Kiss nineteen seventy

1193
00:53:41,760 --> 00:53:42,599
seventy six.

1194
00:53:43,239 --> 00:53:45,360
Speaker 3: And you uh did you get to go to the

1195
00:53:45,599 --> 00:53:49,760
uh the amusement park filming. I did.

1196
00:53:51,480 --> 00:53:52,079
Speaker 1: I did.

1197
00:53:52,239 --> 00:53:55,880
Speaker 4: I won tickets from the local radio station, so I went.

1198
00:53:56,440 --> 00:53:58,440
I couldn't believe I want, I want tickets. So I went,

1199
00:53:58,639 --> 00:54:00,800
and you know, I got there early. I go to

1200
00:54:00,920 --> 00:54:02,599
Magice Mount all the time, so I've been on multiple

1201
00:54:02,679 --> 00:54:05,119
rides a thousand times. So I went for a little bit.

1202
00:54:05,159 --> 00:54:07,000
But then I wanted to get a good place to

1203
00:54:07,079 --> 00:54:09,000
watch the show because they basically set up at the

1204
00:54:09,039 --> 00:54:12,199
parking lot. So I was there and I was waiting,

1205
00:54:12,280 --> 00:54:15,079
and they kept playing this one album over and over

1206
00:54:15,199 --> 00:54:18,880
and over again, and nobody knew what it was. I

1207
00:54:19,039 --> 00:54:21,119
kept asking, like, no one knew. I even went to

1208
00:54:21,199 --> 00:54:22,719
the soundboard and so do you guys know who this is?

1209
00:54:22,760 --> 00:54:23,880
Speaker 3: And I don't know what it is?

1210
00:54:24,039 --> 00:54:25,679
Speaker 4: I was all right, but they played it a buch

1211
00:54:25,679 --> 00:54:27,559
of It was great. It was amazing. So the filming.

1212
00:54:27,840 --> 00:54:29,599
So the filming comes, they do the show, it's great.

1213
00:54:29,920 --> 00:54:33,159
Then they start explaining the film and they start doing

1214
00:54:33,239 --> 00:54:36,880
some of the acting scenes on stage and it's horrible

1215
00:54:37,480 --> 00:54:39,960
and they're explaining everything. Oh my god, this is gonna

1216
00:54:40,000 --> 00:54:44,400
be awful. So a couple of days later, I was

1217
00:54:44,440 --> 00:54:45,760
in the record store, and I would always you know,

1218
00:54:45,840 --> 00:54:48,679
search through the promo bins because you they won't buy

1219
00:54:48,719 --> 00:54:50,920
records for a couple of bucks. And I see a record,

1220
00:54:51,199 --> 00:54:53,639
I look at the song titles. I think that's the

1221
00:54:53,840 --> 00:54:56,159
album that they played at the Kiss Stack. So I

1222
00:54:56,239 --> 00:54:57,760
bought it insured if it was. And that was a

1223
00:54:57,840 --> 00:54:59,239
CDC's Poweradge album.

1224
00:54:59,320 --> 00:54:59,440
Speaker 2: Wo.

1225
00:55:00,639 --> 00:55:02,360
Speaker 4: So that's kind of when I went from Kiss being

1226
00:55:02,400 --> 00:55:04,760
my favorite band of all time to a CDC now

1227
00:55:04,840 --> 00:55:06,119
being the favorite pick.

1228
00:55:06,320 --> 00:55:09,159
Speaker 3: Oh dude, that's wild. Did you ever I mean, speaking

1229
00:55:09,199 --> 00:55:12,360
in southern California, did you ever like see Van Halen

1230
00:55:12,440 --> 00:55:15,599
at those backyard parties or no? Too young to see

1231
00:55:15,639 --> 00:55:16,639
him in the clubs? Yeah?

1232
00:55:16,679 --> 00:55:17,559
Speaker 4: I was too young, I was.

1233
00:55:17,679 --> 00:55:18,360
Speaker 3: I was too young.

1234
00:55:18,440 --> 00:55:22,119
Speaker 4: I missed it by by probably a year or two. So, yeah,

1235
00:55:22,119 --> 00:55:23,480
I was too young to go to any of that stuff.

1236
00:55:23,480 --> 00:55:26,119
And I didn't really know much about what was going

1237
00:55:26,199 --> 00:55:27,840
on in clubs and stuff like that, because it was,

1238
00:55:28,280 --> 00:55:30,280
you know, I was still learning about these sort of things,

1239
00:55:30,360 --> 00:55:32,239
and you know, it wasn't you know, I was just

1240
00:55:32,360 --> 00:55:34,280
in school and playing sports and you know, my mom

1241
00:55:34,440 --> 00:55:36,039
wasn't gonna let me go, and I didn't have any

1242
00:55:36,079 --> 00:55:38,639
friends that were really into that scene. Either. So yeah,

1243
00:55:39,000 --> 00:55:40,079
never never got to go.

1244
00:55:40,880 --> 00:55:42,440
Speaker 3: Well before I let you go. Do you have any

1245
00:55:42,480 --> 00:55:43,519
good van Halen stories?

1246
00:55:45,239 --> 00:55:47,880
Speaker 4: Uh, there's a couple by the way, really quickly I did.

1247
00:55:48,039 --> 00:55:50,559
I did get to see Randy Rhodes playing Quiet Riot

1248
00:55:50,639 --> 00:55:54,119
once at the Starwood. My friend was taking lessons from

1249
00:55:54,199 --> 00:55:56,719
him and we went, we sat, we set to it

1250
00:55:56,880 --> 00:55:59,239
right in front of him at the show and the

1251
00:55:59,360 --> 00:56:02,840
band was gonna but he was fantastic, just fantastic. So

1252
00:56:02,960 --> 00:56:04,519
that was a lot of fun. I don't really have

1253
00:56:04,559 --> 00:56:07,199
a lot of Aerosmiths, sorry, a lot of Van Halen stories.

1254
00:56:07,199 --> 00:56:11,239
The one story I do have is I was going through,

1255
00:56:11,280 --> 00:56:13,000
you know again, going through all that when I moved

1256
00:56:13,039 --> 00:56:15,800
to Vegas. I'm kind of going through stuff and finding things,

1257
00:56:15,880 --> 00:56:17,840
and you know, I have all these different boxes over

1258
00:56:17,880 --> 00:56:19,599
the years. I had so much stuff, so I was

1259
00:56:19,679 --> 00:56:21,719
kind of trying to go through stuff but also to

1260
00:56:21,800 --> 00:56:24,800
see what was there for the museum. And I opened

1261
00:56:24,840 --> 00:56:27,800
this one box and there's this signed photo of Eddie

1262
00:56:27,880 --> 00:56:30,840
van Hale, like, hey, Brian, you know, nice to you know,

1263
00:56:30,920 --> 00:56:32,960
hope to see you soon or something really nice on

1264
00:56:33,079 --> 00:56:35,480
Eddie van Halm. Like I was for a minute, and

1265
00:56:35,480 --> 00:56:38,239
I'm like, where did I get this from and it

1266
00:56:38,440 --> 00:56:42,000
kind of remembered. I got at Nam and one of

1267
00:56:42,039 --> 00:56:45,639
the guys who was doing the evh apps apps at

1268
00:56:45,679 --> 00:56:48,000
the time was working with Eddie. I remember he was

1269
00:56:48,039 --> 00:56:49,800
asking me, you should come, you should come say hi

1270
00:56:49,880 --> 00:56:51,360
to Eddie. He'd love to he'd love to meet you.

1271
00:56:51,400 --> 00:56:55,119
I'm like, he knows, he knows who I am. He's like, yeah, yeah,

1272
00:56:55,599 --> 00:56:58,039
so but I never got to I never got to

1273
00:56:58,400 --> 00:57:00,320
see him. And I guess in lieu of yeah, he

1274
00:57:01,119 --> 00:57:05,159
gave me this autograph picture which is just spectacular. So

1275
00:57:05,280 --> 00:57:09,639
it's now well in my in my my music house,

1276
00:57:09,800 --> 00:57:11,440
that's well displayed there.

1277
00:57:12,000 --> 00:57:14,639
Speaker 3: That is fucking great. Brian, dude, I really appreciate you

1278
00:57:14,719 --> 00:57:16,800
taking the time to do this. Let me hit the

1279
00:57:16,840 --> 00:57:22,880
outro music and I'll here it is. Brian slag Will

1280
00:57:22,920 --> 00:57:26,280
hit him up on on the Twitter and on the

1281
00:57:26,360 --> 00:57:29,760
Instagram at Brian Slagel. He's on the Facebook too. Hit

1282
00:57:29,800 --> 00:57:33,639
a metal Blade dot com. You can get the museum

1283
00:57:33,760 --> 00:57:35,559
link and you can buy the whiskey and the coffee

1284
00:57:35,599 --> 00:57:39,199
there and check out the podcast one hundred Songs that

1285
00:57:39,360 --> 00:57:43,039
Define Heavy Metal. It's it's a fun little bit and

1286
00:57:43,320 --> 00:57:45,960
hopefully someday I'll be famous enough to do that and

1287
00:57:46,880 --> 00:57:52,000
when you pick another kids up. But so we will

1288
00:57:52,039 --> 00:57:53,800
see you guys next week. Sign up for the Patreon.

1289
00:57:53,840 --> 00:57:56,639
It's only five dollars a month. All three shows I

1290
00:57:56,719 --> 00:58:01,440
did today. This is Wednesday, the fifteenth. They are already

1291
00:58:01,519 --> 00:58:04,880
up on the Patreon. You will get Mitch Schneider next week.

1292
00:58:05,199 --> 00:58:07,480
It's already up on the Patreon. I'm recording it tonight.

1293
00:58:07,840 --> 00:58:11,000
We'll see you guys next week on behalf of Brian Slagel.

1294
00:58:11,519 --> 00:58:14,000
My name is Lizzie Presley. Don't forget what I lack

1295
00:58:14,039 --> 00:58:16,559
of talent and make up for the cock