WEBVTT 1 00:00:02.200 --> 00:00:15.519 I see somethings are going to happen. What's going to happen? What? 2 00:00:24.480 --> 00:00:28.839 Welcome to the Occult Rejects today. We got a very 3 00:00:28.879 --> 00:00:30.800 special guest on. We had him on once before and 4 00:00:30.800 --> 00:00:32.799 the guy was spent in fire the whole time, so 5 00:00:32.840 --> 00:00:34.679 I definitely wanted to get him on for this topic 6 00:00:35.520 --> 00:00:37.920 definitely fits the occult and it fits drewe crime, which 7 00:00:37.920 --> 00:00:41.719 we do touch on here often as well. But before 8 00:00:41.759 --> 00:00:45.679 we introduce Austin, we got Lisa the Occult reject mad 9 00:00:45.719 --> 00:00:46.880 Scientist joining me today. 10 00:00:47.000 --> 00:00:49.679 How are I am good? 11 00:00:50.039 --> 00:00:52.399 I am very excited to be here. I wanted to 12 00:00:52.399 --> 00:00:56.640 talk about Delphi to to finally meet Austin. Heard a 13 00:00:56.640 --> 00:01:00.600 couple of his appearances on other shows and he yeah, 14 00:01:00.640 --> 00:01:03.439 it'spind Fire, and I mainly liked the one where he 15 00:01:03.520 --> 00:01:07.560 was on y'all on this episode, in all episode on 16 00:01:07.599 --> 00:01:13.359 this on this podcast, and he definitely was just dropping 17 00:01:13.400 --> 00:01:18.120 all kinds of knowledge shrapnel on y'all. It was so 18 00:01:18.200 --> 00:01:21.280 I'm really excited about that. I just want to plug 19 00:01:21.319 --> 00:01:24.599 o Cult Research Institute dot org. We have a couple 20 00:01:24.599 --> 00:01:28.879 of contributors from the Rejects that contribute to it, and 21 00:01:28.959 --> 00:01:32.560 so check us out on a Cult Research Institute dot org. 22 00:01:33.760 --> 00:01:36.799 Thank you very much. Lisa, definitely appreciate you joining us. 23 00:01:37.120 --> 00:01:39.680 And yeah, if people haven't heard it before, Wustin was 24 00:01:39.719 --> 00:01:42.319 on here covering the Solar Temple with us, so definitely 25 00:01:42.400 --> 00:01:46.000 check that out. That was some yeah, great stuff right there. 26 00:01:46.640 --> 00:01:50.560 And Austin, please, for the people who may not know 27 00:01:50.599 --> 00:01:52.920 who you are yet, please let them know where they 28 00:01:52.920 --> 00:01:55.200 can find all your amazing stuff and let them know 29 00:01:55.200 --> 00:01:57.079 what you deal is awesome. 30 00:01:57.079 --> 00:01:59.519 Brother, Thank you man, and I appreciate you both for 31 00:01:59.560 --> 00:02:02.319 the kind words and also for having me back on 32 00:02:02.840 --> 00:02:06.319 means of the world to me brother. And yeah, you 33 00:02:06.319 --> 00:02:10.360 guys can find me at the Underclass Podcast. But and 34 00:02:10.360 --> 00:02:12.560 and the best place to support me Patreon dot com 35 00:02:12.560 --> 00:02:16.240 slash the Underclass Podcast. But yeah, I just I'm very 36 00:02:16.240 --> 00:02:19.919 grateful for for opportunities like this, because again, it's like 37 00:02:19.960 --> 00:02:23.639 the whole reason that I started my podcast was to 38 00:02:23.800 --> 00:02:28.919 meet like minded individuals right that I could I could 39 00:02:28.960 --> 00:02:33.000 have an open minded and objective conversation with And whether 40 00:02:33.080 --> 00:02:36.439 we agree on every every last detail or not, that's 41 00:02:36.599 --> 00:02:39.199 not the concern, you know what I mean, It's like 42 00:02:39.360 --> 00:02:44.840 something more Yeah, exactly exactly, And I only wish that 43 00:02:45.000 --> 00:02:50.000 more people were willing to kind of like engage and 44 00:02:50.000 --> 00:02:53.199 embrace that mindset because I do. I think that it's 45 00:02:53.240 --> 00:02:57.080 the most important way to approach life and ideas in general, 46 00:02:57.639 --> 00:03:00.719 because that that is the I think the the struggle 47 00:03:01.360 --> 00:03:04.000 in terms of the environment we find ourselves in at 48 00:03:04.000 --> 00:03:09.080 this moment. The layers of deception, right, are very well 49 00:03:09.120 --> 00:03:14.039 and systematically entrenched, honestly at this point, and so I 50 00:03:14.120 --> 00:03:20.240 personally just, yeah, I became fed up with the fact 51 00:03:20.240 --> 00:03:25.159 that so many of these official narratives surrounding these cases 52 00:03:25.840 --> 00:03:30.240 that obviously have you know, in my mind, so many 53 00:03:30.520 --> 00:03:33.560 of them are still very relevant to this day because 54 00:03:33.759 --> 00:03:38.639 it's proof positive of right, the sort of misdirection that 55 00:03:39.120 --> 00:03:43.120 the system kind of inherently has baked in in terms 56 00:03:43.120 --> 00:03:46.719 of the smoke and mirrors. And so I'm my attempt 57 00:03:46.759 --> 00:03:49.560 is always to break through, pierce the veil, you know, 58 00:03:49.639 --> 00:03:54.039 bridge the gap between conspiracy and hopefully some sort of 59 00:03:54.159 --> 00:03:58.240 corroborative evidence and credibility that we can lend to alternative 60 00:03:58.280 --> 00:04:02.039 theories and narratives that see far more plausible than that 61 00:04:02.159 --> 00:04:05.960 of the right official narrative that we're intended to embrace 62 00:04:06.000 --> 00:04:11.159 at face value. And yeah, I'm very blessed and grateful 63 00:04:11.199 --> 00:04:14.439 for the fact that I had like some core values 64 00:04:14.439 --> 00:04:17.839 and legitimate critical thinking skills at a younger age. I 65 00:04:17.839 --> 00:04:23.040 think that, you know, I rejected like this public schooling 66 00:04:23.079 --> 00:04:26.279 system just naturally, you know, and I'm very grateful for 67 00:04:26.360 --> 00:04:29.519 that as well. I don't know, it's kind of strange, 68 00:04:29.560 --> 00:04:35.360 but I do see fundamental similarities between myself and others 69 00:04:35.360 --> 00:04:41.600 within this sort of alternative media landscape that at the 70 00:04:41.720 --> 00:04:44.000 very least the circles that we swim in, you know 71 00:04:44.040 --> 00:04:46.879 what I mean. And so I will say that I 72 00:04:46.959 --> 00:04:51.519 just appreciate you guys as always, and at any time 73 00:04:51.639 --> 00:04:54.079 that we can have a conversation like this, it further 74 00:04:54.160 --> 00:04:57.319 inspires me, provides me with some sort of legitimate hope 75 00:04:57.439 --> 00:05:04.480 for the future, you know. Kind yeah, but man, I 76 00:05:04.519 --> 00:05:07.959 don't know the Delphi murders like I was unaware. And 77 00:05:08.000 --> 00:05:11.879 as always, when I when I begin to just attempt 78 00:05:11.879 --> 00:05:16.959 to really just figure out, I really go to the 79 00:05:17.360 --> 00:05:21.439 sort of like I bring various ideas to the workshop 80 00:05:21.519 --> 00:05:24.360 in my own mind, and I try and sift through 81 00:05:24.399 --> 00:05:27.240 what I think is potentially, you know, the direction I 82 00:05:27.240 --> 00:05:29.879 would like to take. And uh, and then I sort 83 00:05:29.920 --> 00:05:35.160 of like naturally impolled in these very similar directions that 84 00:05:35.240 --> 00:05:39.279 seem to represent and provide a window into a very 85 00:05:39.279 --> 00:05:43.040 similar playbook that that seems to resurface over time in 86 00:05:43.079 --> 00:05:47.959 many of these cases. And so with Delphi, I essentially 87 00:05:48.079 --> 00:05:51.480 was was attempting to kind of make a sort of 88 00:05:51.519 --> 00:05:55.879 parallel to the first season of True Detective, and I 89 00:05:55.959 --> 00:06:00.680 discovered the Hosannah Church scandal and then the Delphi by murders, 90 00:06:01.000 --> 00:06:03.360 and I really viewed that there was a very interesting, 91 00:06:03.800 --> 00:06:08.720 you know, direct parallel and sort of symbolic reference point 92 00:06:09.120 --> 00:06:13.000 to the very first scene in the original series of 93 00:06:13.040 --> 00:06:17.839 True Detective, the first season, right, and very strange synchronicities 94 00:06:18.240 --> 00:06:22.279 regarding the original victim in that opening scene. And so 95 00:06:23.240 --> 00:06:27.839 for everyone as far as just I think it's important 96 00:06:27.839 --> 00:06:32.519 to understand that you have like legitimate neopagan organizations this 97 00:06:32.680 --> 00:06:35.639 very day, in modern day, in this landscape that we 98 00:06:35.680 --> 00:06:41.800 reside in, that they exercise ritualized murder and blood sacrifice 99 00:06:41.920 --> 00:06:45.279 that they believe requires the use of ancient ruins by 100 00:06:45.360 --> 00:06:49.360 various groups. As far as who these various groups tend 101 00:06:49.399 --> 00:06:54.040 to believe in the magical elements of neopaganism right in 102 00:06:54.079 --> 00:06:58.959 many ways, and now that it seems too kind of 103 00:07:00.439 --> 00:07:03.720 it seems to kind of like reveal itself in in 104 00:07:03.720 --> 00:07:07.879 in you know, different ways depending on the group. But 105 00:07:08.000 --> 00:07:11.319 at the same time, I did find this fascinating because 106 00:07:11.319 --> 00:07:15.560 obviously the tragic murders of Abigail Williams and Liberty Germany, 107 00:07:16.000 --> 00:07:19.639 they share these shocking similarities to the to this original 108 00:07:19.680 --> 00:07:22.600 crime scene. Right. And so for anyone who is unaware, 109 00:07:23.319 --> 00:07:25.920 obviously these girls they were hiking on the Monan high 110 00:07:25.920 --> 00:07:31.199 Bridge Trail in Delphi, Indiana, right. And and I myself personally, 111 00:07:31.319 --> 00:07:35.360 I believe there's there's also no coincidence in terms of 112 00:07:36.079 --> 00:07:40.560 the location Delphi. I think Delphi, the oracle at Delphi. 113 00:07:40.600 --> 00:07:45.319 I think that in general and inherently it has occult connotations. 114 00:07:45.360 --> 00:07:49.879 I think to it so understanding really the way that 115 00:07:49.959 --> 00:07:54.680 some of these sort of cult organizations function, just in 116 00:07:54.800 --> 00:07:57.079 terms of like the Son of Sam case, for example, 117 00:07:57.120 --> 00:07:59.720 with David Berkowitz, I always found it interesting that that 118 00:08:00.120 --> 00:08:06.800 they would legitimately sort of utilize these these not only 119 00:08:06.839 --> 00:08:11.439 occult holidays where they would stage the actual crime or 120 00:08:11.839 --> 00:08:15.720 execution targeted assassination around, but they would also have this 121 00:08:15.959 --> 00:08:19.879 very interesting symbolic nature that was built in to the 122 00:08:19.959 --> 00:08:23.680 crime itself. Outside of the Elephis Club, right, which which 123 00:08:23.680 --> 00:08:28.319 has occult connotations to itself again, and so I personally, 124 00:08:28.879 --> 00:08:33.399 I do believe that when there is this this playbook 125 00:08:33.440 --> 00:08:36.879 that is very much being executed in terms of an 126 00:08:36.919 --> 00:08:42.240 actual occult factor being involved, then I definitely believe that, 127 00:08:43.120 --> 00:08:46.200 you know, there's clearly a reason that you would pursue 128 00:08:46.200 --> 00:08:48.759 that investigative threat. And so that's why where I found 129 00:08:48.799 --> 00:08:54.279 myself with the Delphi case is observing these strained synchronicities 130 00:08:54.360 --> 00:08:57.120 regarding the original victim in that in that first scene, 131 00:08:57.159 --> 00:09:00.720 and so the way that I kind of like introduce 132 00:09:00.799 --> 00:09:05.919 it is essentially that by the way, I think it 133 00:09:05.960 --> 00:09:09.519 could be referred to as a copycat imitation crime in 134 00:09:09.799 --> 00:09:14.960 a way the Delphi case, because it's seemingly duplicated in 135 00:09:15.039 --> 00:09:18.279 more ways than one. Right in Delphi in February thirteenth, 136 00:09:18.279 --> 00:09:21.600 twenty seventeen is when the bodies are discovered. Right in 137 00:09:21.639 --> 00:09:25.279 the first episode of True Detective, the initial victim's body 138 00:09:25.320 --> 00:09:28.360 was found in a sugar cane field. Right. Her corpse 139 00:09:28.360 --> 00:09:31.679 had been staged against a tree as if in prayer, 140 00:09:32.679 --> 00:09:35.639 with her head crowned with deer antlers and her body 141 00:09:35.639 --> 00:09:39.759 surrounded by twig lattice works which closely resembled these Cajun 142 00:09:39.799 --> 00:09:48.159 bird traps, right, And this disturbing triangular, crooked spiral cryptic, 143 00:09:48.279 --> 00:09:51.200 of course, was carved into the back of the murder victim. 144 00:09:51.919 --> 00:09:55.679 And it's the exact same symbol used by pedophiles to 145 00:09:55.720 --> 00:10:00.559 indicate their preference in little boys. So that according to 146 00:10:00.600 --> 00:10:03.799 the FBI, as far as the symbol itself, is known 147 00:10:03.840 --> 00:10:07.480 as the little boy lover logo. And that all was revealed, 148 00:10:08.960 --> 00:10:13.519 honestly in my Pizza Gate episode, I discussed how basically 149 00:10:13.600 --> 00:10:17.080 the FBI had had proven these symbols and had had 150 00:10:17.159 --> 00:10:19.519 kind of made them public. And so that is another 151 00:10:19.840 --> 00:10:23.919 case is that, you know, we could always imagine that 152 00:10:24.120 --> 00:10:27.360 once these symbols had been made public, obviously you're going 153 00:10:27.360 --> 00:10:30.519 to have a pivot in terms of the criminal enterprise. 154 00:10:31.200 --> 00:10:34.519 And so it was in two thousand and seven when 155 00:10:34.519 --> 00:10:37.919 WikiLeaks released the document, the FBI document that detailed that 156 00:10:38.000 --> 00:10:43.440 secret pedophile code, right, and how they would communicate secretly. 157 00:10:44.080 --> 00:10:48.360 And so it's just very unfortunate when you realize that 158 00:10:48.360 --> 00:10:52.639 that is the exact same symbol, but not at all shocking, 159 00:10:52.840 --> 00:10:56.759 because I think there's so much of that occurs, you know, 160 00:10:57.639 --> 00:11:02.120 very often. So but these these murders bodies of Liberty 161 00:11:02.159 --> 00:11:06.039 German and Abigail Williams. They're discovered near this Monent high 162 00:11:06.039 --> 00:11:09.039 Bridge trail, which is part of the Delphi Historic Trails, 163 00:11:09.639 --> 00:11:13.679 and after they had disappeared from that trail it was 164 00:11:13.720 --> 00:11:18.919 only I think twenty four hours I believe, and so 165 00:11:19.600 --> 00:11:23.519 it was the previous day and that they had disappeared, 166 00:11:23.960 --> 00:11:27.720 And so then you have this extensive media coverage that 167 00:11:27.840 --> 00:11:31.519 takes place and ensues after the bodies are discovered. And 168 00:11:31.759 --> 00:11:36.039 it was in part due to these audio and basically 169 00:11:36.120 --> 00:11:41.320 audio recordings and video recordings that were released by the authorities, right, 170 00:11:42.279 --> 00:11:48.200 and that basically came directly from Liberty Germans a smartphone, right, 171 00:11:48.399 --> 00:11:52.080 which I believe there was a recording of the Killer. 172 00:11:52.120 --> 00:11:55.879 You can even still watch this day, right, and it's 173 00:11:55.960 --> 00:11:58.960 the down the Hill, right, and there's even a potential 174 00:11:59.000 --> 00:12:04.000 reference to where you hear gun which allegedly but again 175 00:12:04.000 --> 00:12:07.000 there's like there's a shorter version that was released to 176 00:12:07.080 --> 00:12:09.440 the public and then there's an actual longer version that 177 00:12:09.919 --> 00:12:14.159 allegedly and so it's very interesting. But there's a timeline 178 00:12:15.080 --> 00:12:19.519 that was released and apparently it was on February thirteenth, 179 00:12:19.559 --> 00:12:23.360 twenty seventeen, when thirteen year old Abigail Joyce Williams and 180 00:12:23.440 --> 00:12:26.440 fourteen year old Liberty Rose Lynn German were dropped off 181 00:12:26.480 --> 00:12:31.519 by German's older sister Kelsey on County Road three hundred 182 00:12:31.559 --> 00:12:34.759 north east of the Hoosier Heartland Highway. And so these 183 00:12:34.799 --> 00:12:39.240 girls are hiking the Morning high Bridge Trail. And this 184 00:12:39.440 --> 00:12:42.399 is at two o seven, around two oh seven in 185 00:12:42.440 --> 00:12:47.320 the afternoon when she posted a photo of her friend 186 00:12:47.480 --> 00:12:53.080 Williams walking the bridge Abigail and so Liberty posted this 187 00:12:53.279 --> 00:12:57.799 photo I believe it was on Snapchat, and just after 188 00:12:57.840 --> 00:13:00.600 this post in two oh seven PM, they're not heard 189 00:13:00.639 --> 00:13:04.200 from again, and so that's when they're reported missing, like 190 00:13:04.240 --> 00:13:09.000 a couple hours later, I think it's five thirty and 191 00:13:09.000 --> 00:13:11.720 and so apparently the families they're they're searching for the 192 00:13:11.720 --> 00:13:15.879 girls themselves. They finally call the police after after time passes, 193 00:13:15.960 --> 00:13:21.480 and and so when whenever it's police, they obviously they 194 00:13:21.480 --> 00:13:24.039 don't initially release any of the details of how the 195 00:13:24.080 --> 00:13:27.840 girls were murdered, which is also interesting because that begins 196 00:13:27.879 --> 00:13:32.240 to surface, you know, not too long after you have 197 00:13:32.559 --> 00:13:35.960 you have investigators who are actually making statements as if 198 00:13:36.120 --> 00:13:39.919 there's there's one statement this most important that caught my attention, 199 00:13:40.039 --> 00:13:43.320 which was clearly that the FBI agent believed that the 200 00:13:43.320 --> 00:13:48.480 bodies had been staged. But still, I think it's important 201 00:13:48.480 --> 00:13:51.480 to at least mention the fact that there was a 202 00:13:51.519 --> 00:13:55.559 tip line that was established obviously, and uh and and 203 00:13:55.639 --> 00:13:59.159 you have this grainy photograph that appeared to capture this 204 00:13:59.159 --> 00:14:02.080 this man, hands in his pockets, head down, walking on 205 00:14:02.120 --> 00:14:05.159 the rail bridge towards the girls. And the person in 206 00:14:05.159 --> 00:14:09.080 the photograph was dubbed the bridge guy, right, and he 207 00:14:09.200 --> 00:14:11.919 was named the prime suspect in this double homicide. And 208 00:14:11.960 --> 00:14:15.440 on February twenty second, law enforcement released an audio recording 209 00:14:16.080 --> 00:14:20.120 during which the voice of the suspect was muffled. What 210 00:14:20.200 --> 00:14:22.480 it's heard to say, as I mentioned down the hill, 211 00:14:23.320 --> 00:14:27.000 And at a news conference, officials credit the source of 212 00:14:27.039 --> 00:14:29.720 the audio and imagery to German's phone. So that is 213 00:14:29.759 --> 00:14:32.519 where you get the connection to her smartphone and the 214 00:14:32.559 --> 00:14:38.200 actual video of the bridge guy. And so she's then 215 00:14:38.320 --> 00:14:41.679 sort of you know, as far as like the police, 216 00:14:41.879 --> 00:14:45.440 they indicate that additional evidence from the phone had been secured, 217 00:14:45.440 --> 00:14:49.879 but wouldn't be released in further details because essentially it 218 00:14:49.879 --> 00:14:54.559 would compromise the future trial. Right, And so after this 219 00:14:55.279 --> 00:14:58.000 you get I think it's by July seventeenth, there's a 220 00:14:58.039 --> 00:15:00.200 composite sketch of someone sat as a person and of 221 00:15:00.279 --> 00:15:03.759 prime interest in the murders, and the sketch was apparently 222 00:15:03.799 --> 00:15:06.559 created from eyewitness accounts of a hiker on the Delphi 223 00:15:06.639 --> 00:15:10.039 Historic Trails, and this is the day the girls had vanished, 224 00:15:10.600 --> 00:15:14.240 so Indiana State Police on April twenty second, twenty nineteen, 225 00:15:14.720 --> 00:15:18.279 two years later, this is when they announced a new 226 00:15:18.320 --> 00:15:22.960 direction in the case, right, and it's released a new 227 00:15:23.039 --> 00:15:26.559 sketch of the suspect that looked entirely different from the original, 228 00:15:26.600 --> 00:15:29.600 which I found interesting as well because the first the 229 00:15:29.679 --> 00:15:33.559 first picture was that of a very young individual, which 230 00:15:33.600 --> 00:15:36.919 to me personally makes a lot of sense once you 231 00:15:37.000 --> 00:15:39.759 find out how the girls were potentially procured or at 232 00:15:39.840 --> 00:15:42.200 least put in a position on the Mona high Bridge 233 00:15:42.200 --> 00:15:46.600 Trail that day, I think it legitimately does potentially directly 234 00:15:46.639 --> 00:15:51.320 connect to Anthony Shots, who is Keegan Klin. Anthony Shots 235 00:15:51.399 --> 00:15:54.480 is the Anthony Underscore. Shots is the Snapchat profile that 236 00:15:54.559 --> 00:15:58.519 was utilized by Keegan Klin. But I think there's no 237 00:15:58.600 --> 00:16:02.240 way that he didn't have a role to play in 238 00:16:02.279 --> 00:16:06.320 the context of this case, and so I definitely believe that. 239 00:16:06.720 --> 00:16:08.639 And so this makes a lot of sense to me 240 00:16:08.679 --> 00:16:11.559 as to why there's an additional sketch that's that's released 241 00:16:12.240 --> 00:16:21.679 and what's up. Brother. I did find it interesting that 242 00:16:21.720 --> 00:16:26.960 they established this, uh, this tip line obviously, and and 243 00:16:27.039 --> 00:16:30.519 so then you have an abandoned vehicle, right, that's uh, 244 00:16:30.679 --> 00:16:34.360 that's a that's found near the area abandoned off the 245 00:16:34.360 --> 00:16:38.080 Who's Your Heartland Highway in Delphi and this is uh, 246 00:16:38.639 --> 00:16:42.759 I think at the former Child Service Services office and 247 00:16:42.759 --> 00:16:46.120 and that uh, it was discovered. And so there's these 248 00:16:46.240 --> 00:16:50.159 these strange connections that began to h to kind of 249 00:16:50.240 --> 00:16:54.840 link to this individual by the name of Logan, right, 250 00:16:54.879 --> 00:16:57.519 which I found very strange because it doesn't seem like 251 00:16:57.639 --> 00:17:02.559 he was ever considered a legitimate suspect. Ronald Logan is 252 00:17:02.600 --> 00:17:05.720 his name, and he inevitably died in twenty twenty. But 253 00:17:06.160 --> 00:17:09.680 I just think that I understand he's very old at 254 00:17:09.720 --> 00:17:12.519 the time. I believe he was seventy seven, I think, 255 00:17:12.680 --> 00:17:16.000 which that is interesting. The number itself caught my attention. 256 00:17:16.160 --> 00:17:18.960 Yeah, right, something I wondered. I can say, it's sorry, 257 00:17:19.119 --> 00:17:21.440 sorry to interrupt you. It's just I do want to 258 00:17:21.440 --> 00:17:24.880 ask you, like your opinion, Lisa maybe even Tyrone if 259 00:17:25.480 --> 00:17:28.279 he knows even about this case or anything. It's almost 260 00:17:28.359 --> 00:17:30.880 kind of an overall thing I think is done regardless, 261 00:17:31.519 --> 00:17:32.920 you know, the stuff that I feel like that they 262 00:17:32.920 --> 00:17:35.920 put out, you know, that audio stuff and that video 263 00:17:35.960 --> 00:17:40.000 evidence we're supposed to like first off, there's no context 264 00:17:40.079 --> 00:17:43.200 to like why was this girl even recording something at 265 00:17:43.200 --> 00:17:45.839 that point? You know, Like I have a like if 266 00:17:45.880 --> 00:17:48.160 you ever sometimes look at like stuff either like in 267 00:17:48.240 --> 00:17:52.200 the news or true crime, sometimes you're given this this 268 00:17:52.200 --> 00:17:54.680 this video or this audio stuff and there was like 269 00:17:55.039 --> 00:17:58.039 no context behind it. It's almost like here, you go, 270 00:17:58.640 --> 00:18:00.640 have fucking fun with this and up with whatever a 271 00:18:00.680 --> 00:18:03.359 FUCKDRD shit you want to stop believing and start spreading 272 00:18:03.400 --> 00:18:05.839 around the internet. It's almost as if it's like, we're 273 00:18:05.839 --> 00:18:07.640 gonna give you some shit that really has nothing to 274 00:18:07.640 --> 00:18:09.319 do with it, and we're gonna just gonna let you take. 275 00:18:09.160 --> 00:18:09.640 Off with it. 276 00:18:09.960 --> 00:18:13.079 Because I think it's like even other things like sometimes 277 00:18:13.119 --> 00:18:14.920 when we're seeing stuff on the internet and we're taking 278 00:18:14.960 --> 00:18:16.440 it as real, it's like, did you notice that all 279 00:18:16.480 --> 00:18:18.160 of a sudden there was even a different angle of 280 00:18:18.319 --> 00:18:21.319 screenshot now, like this isn't you know what I'm saying, 281 00:18:21.359 --> 00:18:23.119 Like this isn't what you really think it is. 282 00:18:23.160 --> 00:18:24.240 This isn't reality. 283 00:18:24.480 --> 00:18:27.200 This was actually produced, you know, And it's just like 284 00:18:27.240 --> 00:18:29.759 I wonder like with this, with this type of case, 285 00:18:29.799 --> 00:18:32.720 I feel like the information they gave you, between that 286 00:18:32.920 --> 00:18:35.559 and their sketches of the people, none of it makes sense. 287 00:18:36.680 --> 00:18:41.240 And all the while, while they host this press conference, 288 00:18:42.400 --> 00:18:45.799 they revealed this secondary sketch, this new sketch, and announce 289 00:18:45.839 --> 00:18:48.640 an entirely different direction, a new direction in the case, 290 00:18:49.200 --> 00:18:52.519 while they're urging the public right to look at the 291 00:18:52.559 --> 00:18:55.000 new sketch, listen to the audio, watch how the man 292 00:18:55.039 --> 00:18:57.079 walks on the bridge and send tips to the tip 293 00:18:57.079 --> 00:19:00.279 line email. And that in itself felt like it was, uh, 294 00:19:01.240 --> 00:19:04.400 you know, kind of like they were engaging the internet 295 00:19:04.440 --> 00:19:06.880 sleuths in a way, you know, which I do feel 296 00:19:06.880 --> 00:19:09.319 like is a is a new phenomena in a in 297 00:19:09.400 --> 00:19:12.319 a certain extent, to a certain extent on YouTube. 298 00:19:12.359 --> 00:19:16.119 I think YouTube is right at least that we're just 299 00:19:16.160 --> 00:19:18.880 kind of think kind of getting that before. You will 300 00:19:18.880 --> 00:19:21.759 see like certain shows almost kind of like create the 301 00:19:21.920 --> 00:19:24.559 narrative on some of these topics, and none of them 302 00:19:24.839 --> 00:19:27.279 ever want to touch the fucking occult it all. 303 00:19:27.960 --> 00:19:31.799 It's very weird. Yeah, I think it is. It is 304 00:19:31.839 --> 00:19:35.960 a huge money the window into the tactical and strategic misdirection. 305 00:19:36.160 --> 00:19:39.519 Potentially you could you could even leverage and exploit the 306 00:19:39.559 --> 00:19:44.119 public to you know, facilitate that misdirection. And and that 307 00:19:44.119 --> 00:19:46.960 that very much seems like it could have been a 308 00:19:47.000 --> 00:19:50.279 part of this case, specifically due to the fact that 309 00:19:50.319 --> 00:19:53.279 I think so many of the authorities are potentially compromised 310 00:19:53.400 --> 00:19:56.720 in terms of of how they sort of pivoted to 311 00:19:57.480 --> 00:20:01.960 especially considering how Richard Allen even becomes a target and 312 00:20:02.039 --> 00:20:05.200 priority suspect. I mean that in itself is so strange, right, 313 00:20:05.279 --> 00:20:09.720 And so you have five years after the murders, right 314 00:20:10.720 --> 00:20:14.559 in September twenty twenty two, this is when investigators review 315 00:20:14.640 --> 00:20:20.640 this misfile tip after allegedly a volunteer file clerk discovered 316 00:20:20.640 --> 00:20:23.799 this error, which instantly that's a red flag to me. 317 00:20:24.839 --> 00:20:27.559 So in this tip, a man by the name of 318 00:20:27.640 --> 00:20:31.400 Richard Allen self reported three days after the murders to 319 00:20:31.440 --> 00:20:34.319 being on the trails. And the reason I mentioned that 320 00:20:34.440 --> 00:20:37.799 abandoned vehicle that was at the child Services office near 321 00:20:37.799 --> 00:20:40.440 the Mona high Bridge trail is because it was abandoned 322 00:20:40.440 --> 00:20:43.359 between noon and five pm on the day of the murders, 323 00:20:43.640 --> 00:20:47.079 which they claim obviously two point seven pm was the 324 00:20:47.160 --> 00:20:50.480 last time the snapchat was, you know, was utilized, and 325 00:20:51.599 --> 00:20:57.359 of course Liberty's Snapchat profile had taken that video obviously, 326 00:20:57.880 --> 00:21:00.960 and so that's the claim that they per just after this. 327 00:21:01.079 --> 00:21:03.759 So that's within that window of time obviously, which provides 328 00:21:03.799 --> 00:21:07.839 the opportunity. But I did want to say, what's up 329 00:21:07.960 --> 00:21:10.200 rebirth the world, my brother, and how are you doing? Man, 330 00:21:10.200 --> 00:21:12.119 It's nice to meet you. What is your name? 331 00:21:12.759 --> 00:21:15.599 Rebirth of the word Tyrone. I'm sorry, y'all for some 332 00:21:15.640 --> 00:21:17.440 reason on my calendar, say at one pm. 333 00:21:17.440 --> 00:21:18.039 I don't know why. 334 00:21:18.119 --> 00:21:20.960 My computer is having trouble with syncing with my phone, 335 00:21:21.000 --> 00:21:23.240 so I'm thinking I have to just go through my phone. 336 00:21:24.599 --> 00:21:29.880 Oh man, yeah, no, I have heard that happen, so yeah, yeah, sorry, 337 00:21:29.960 --> 00:21:31.519 love that, but you made it anyway, sir. 338 00:21:32.440 --> 00:21:34.480 Yeah, yeah, you know. I always try to come like 339 00:21:34.519 --> 00:21:36.200 twenty minutes early, and I was like, what the heck 340 00:21:36.240 --> 00:21:37.240 they already started. 341 00:21:37.480 --> 00:21:39.359 I was like getting confused. I was like, maybe he's 342 00:21:39.400 --> 00:21:41.039 not home, because I know you were away too, so 343 00:21:41.079 --> 00:21:43.240 I was just like, oh, I don't know, maybe he No. 344 00:21:43.720 --> 00:21:46.240 Well, I definitely I was looking at because I was 345 00:21:46.279 --> 00:21:49.200 outside cut in the grass, and I kept getting notification. 346 00:21:49.279 --> 00:21:51.200 I was like, I still have like thirty forty minutes. 347 00:21:51.240 --> 00:21:52.119 What is it talking about? 348 00:21:52.119 --> 00:21:54.160 And I came in here and I looked at my 349 00:21:54.200 --> 00:21:57.559 computer and my calendars weren't both of them weren't sinking together. 350 00:21:57.759 --> 00:22:00.400 So I'm just going to start going off of my phone. 351 00:22:00.440 --> 00:22:02.440 I think because yesterday I had a major update on 352 00:22:02.480 --> 00:22:05.039 my PC, and I think that's what probably set it off. 353 00:22:07.440 --> 00:22:09.480 Yeah, I did know about the del Fi murders. I 354 00:22:09.480 --> 00:22:10.480 mean if I followed that. 355 00:22:10.559 --> 00:22:13.440 Uh when as soon as you put that on the 356 00:22:13.519 --> 00:22:15.920 calendar for the discussion, I was looking into it and 357 00:22:15.920 --> 00:22:17.400 I was like, oh, yeah, I remember just being on 358 00:22:17.440 --> 00:22:19.920 ABC News and Fox News and all that stuff like that. 359 00:22:20.960 --> 00:22:26.240 Man, It's crazy because I had no real prior knowledge 360 00:22:26.279 --> 00:22:28.880 of this and was not even you know, it didn't 361 00:22:28.880 --> 00:22:32.359 even cross my radar in the time that it was happening. 362 00:22:33.000 --> 00:22:36.720 But I think that is effectively just because I'm I'm 363 00:22:36.799 --> 00:22:40.759 kind of out of the loop in terms of just 364 00:22:41.640 --> 00:22:44.279 you know, cases that are currently taking place. For the 365 00:22:44.319 --> 00:22:48.960 most part, I'm not like actively looking into use these 366 00:22:49.000 --> 00:22:53.400 cases until honestly, they typically just have to organically cross 367 00:22:53.880 --> 00:22:58.160 across my path. That's typically how I come across some 368 00:22:58.240 --> 00:23:01.000 of this. But but again I had no expectation of 369 00:23:01.039 --> 00:23:02.000 what I was going to find. 370 00:23:02.680 --> 00:23:05.240 If you don't mind me making this statement, I think 371 00:23:05.240 --> 00:23:07.200 maybe you'll agree with this. You know what. I thought 372 00:23:07.200 --> 00:23:09.240 it was even weird with this because again, like almost 373 00:23:09.319 --> 00:23:11.440 like you, I didn't hear about it until like somebody, 374 00:23:11.440 --> 00:23:13.680 I think a fan or a listeners maybe somebody on 375 00:23:13.680 --> 00:23:16.279 the show mentioned it, and I was like, what the hell? 376 00:23:16.319 --> 00:23:17.880 Like ire you just sort of looking at some of it, 377 00:23:18.519 --> 00:23:20.279 and I was like, you know, why is it that 378 00:23:20.480 --> 00:23:23.519 like Gilgo Beach my opinion, Gilgo Beach and even the 379 00:23:23.559 --> 00:23:26.599 Idaho four I think are deeply occulted, but it's not 380 00:23:26.720 --> 00:23:33.400 blatant and that shit, those topics were like huge and 381 00:23:33.480 --> 00:23:35.759 like even like basically what I want to get it. 382 00:23:35.759 --> 00:23:37.599 I was just like, Yo, why does this case and 383 00:23:37.680 --> 00:23:41.960 I think is blatant occultism? You even have people involved 384 00:23:41.960 --> 00:23:44.599 in the case saying they think it's there, and nobody's 385 00:23:44.640 --> 00:23:48.599 fucking talking about it. I was just like, what, Like, 386 00:23:49.119 --> 00:23:51.480 you have these other crimes and I think are blatantly 387 00:23:51.519 --> 00:23:54.079 occult is as well, but nobody's bringing up the occultism. 388 00:23:54.240 --> 00:23:56.400 And then the one crime that I think is you know, 389 00:23:56.519 --> 00:23:59.279 telling you there's a cult shit in it. Nobody's covering that. 390 00:23:59.359 --> 00:24:01.720 It's like, what the like, I don't know. I'm just like, 391 00:24:01.920 --> 00:24:03.440 how did I not even hear about this? 392 00:24:04.160 --> 00:24:07.000 Did John here about the connection with the with the 393 00:24:07.039 --> 00:24:07.960 Norse paganism? 394 00:24:08.359 --> 00:24:11.440 Was y'all talking about that? Oh yeah, that, Well we'll 395 00:24:11.440 --> 00:24:15.359 get into the Oden Knight VINLANDR Group. That was the part. Dude, 396 00:24:15.400 --> 00:24:18.359 It's crazy, and I'm telling you it's something I had 397 00:24:18.519 --> 00:24:22.039 no understanding that I was going to to sort of 398 00:24:22.119 --> 00:24:27.000 like reveal this, this strange connection to this neo pagan 399 00:24:27.079 --> 00:24:31.240 organization that had infiltrated the prison system in Indiana to 400 00:24:31.359 --> 00:24:33.920 such an extent to where you had federal investigators who 401 00:24:33.960 --> 00:24:37.119