Speaker 1: I see somethings are going to happen. What's going to happen? What?
Speaker 2: Welcome to the Occult Rejects today. We got a very
Speaker 2: special guest on. We had him on once before and
Speaker 2: the guy was spent in fire the whole time, so
Speaker 2: I definitely wanted to get him on for this topic
Speaker 2: definitely fits the occult and it fits drewe crime, which
Speaker 2: we do touch on here often as well. But before
Speaker 2: we introduce Austin, we got Lisa the Occult reject mad
Speaker 2: Scientist joining me today.
Speaker 1: How are I am good?
Speaker 3: I am very excited to be here. I wanted to
Speaker 3: talk about Delphi to to finally meet Austin. Heard a
Speaker 3: couple of his appearances on other shows and he yeah,
Speaker 3: it'spind Fire, and I mainly liked the one where he
Speaker 3: was on y'all on this episode, in all episode on
Speaker 3: this on this podcast, and he definitely was just dropping
Speaker 3: all kinds of knowledge shrapnel on y'all. It was so
Speaker 3: I'm really excited about that. I just want to plug
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Speaker 3: of contributors from the Rejects that contribute to it, and
Speaker 3: so check us out on a Cult Research Institute dot org.
Speaker 2: Thank you very much. Lisa, definitely appreciate you joining us.
Speaker 2: And yeah, if people haven't heard it before, Wustin was
Speaker 2: on here covering the Solar Temple with us, so definitely
Speaker 2: check that out. That was some yeah, great stuff right there.
Speaker 2: And Austin, please, for the people who may not know
Speaker 2: who you are yet, please let them know where they
Speaker 2: can find all your amazing stuff and let them know
Speaker 2: what you deal is awesome.
Speaker 1: Brother, Thank you man, and I appreciate you both for
Speaker 1: the kind words and also for having me back on
Speaker 1: means of the world to me brother. And yeah, you
Speaker 1: guys can find me at the Underclass Podcast. But and
Speaker 1: and the best place to support me Patreon dot com
Speaker 1: slash the Underclass Podcast. But yeah, I just I'm very
Speaker 1: grateful for for opportunities like this, because again, it's like
Speaker 1: the whole reason that I started my podcast was to
Speaker 1: meet like minded individuals right that I could I could
Speaker 1: have an open minded and objective conversation with And whether
Speaker 1: we agree on every every last detail or not, that's
Speaker 1: not the concern, you know what I mean, It's like
Speaker 1: something more Yeah, exactly exactly, And I only wish that
Speaker 1: more people were willing to kind of like engage and
Speaker 1: embrace that mindset because I do. I think that it's
Speaker 1: the most important way to approach life and ideas in general,
Speaker 1: because that that is the I think the the struggle
Speaker 1: in terms of the environment we find ourselves in at
Speaker 1: this moment. The layers of deception, right, are very well
Speaker 1: and systematically entrenched, honestly at this point, and so I
Speaker 1: personally just, yeah, I became fed up with the fact
Speaker 1: that so many of these official narratives surrounding these cases
Speaker 1: that obviously have you know, in my mind, so many
Speaker 1: of them are still very relevant to this day because
Speaker 1: it's proof positive of right, the sort of misdirection that
Speaker 1: the system kind of inherently has baked in in terms
Speaker 1: of the smoke and mirrors. And so I'm my attempt
Speaker 1: is always to break through, pierce the veil, you know,
Speaker 1: bridge the gap between conspiracy and hopefully some sort of
Speaker 1: corroborative evidence and credibility that we can lend to alternative
Speaker 1: theories and narratives that see far more plausible than that
Speaker 1: of the right official narrative that we're intended to embrace
Speaker 1: at face value. And yeah, I'm very blessed and grateful
Speaker 1: for the fact that I had like some core values
Speaker 1: and legitimate critical thinking skills at a younger age. I
Speaker 1: think that, you know, I rejected like this public schooling
Speaker 1: system just naturally, you know, and I'm very grateful for
Speaker 1: that as well. I don't know, it's kind of strange,
Speaker 1: but I do see fundamental similarities between myself and others
Speaker 1: within this sort of alternative media landscape that at the
Speaker 1: very least the circles that we swim in, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. And so I will say that I
Speaker 1: just appreciate you guys as always, and at any time
Speaker 1: that we can have a conversation like this, it further
Speaker 1: inspires me, provides me with some sort of legitimate hope
Speaker 1: for the future, you know. Kind yeah, but man, I
Speaker 1: don't know the Delphi murders like I was unaware. And
Speaker 1: as always, when I when I begin to just attempt
Speaker 1: to really just figure out, I really go to the
Speaker 1: sort of like I bring various ideas to the workshop
Speaker 1: in my own mind, and I try and sift through
Speaker 1: what I think is potentially, you know, the direction I
Speaker 1: would like to take. And uh, and then I sort
Speaker 1: of like naturally impolled in these very similar directions that
Speaker 1: seem to represent and provide a window into a very
Speaker 1: similar playbook that that seems to resurface over time in
Speaker 1: many of these cases. And so with Delphi, I essentially
Speaker 1: was was attempting to kind of make a sort of
Speaker 1: parallel to the first season of True Detective, and I
Speaker 1: discovered the Hosannah Church scandal and then the Delphi by murders,
Speaker 1: and I really viewed that there was a very interesting,
Speaker 1: you know, direct parallel and sort of symbolic reference point
Speaker 1: to the very first scene in the original series of
Speaker 1: True Detective, the first season, right, and very strange synchronicities
Speaker 1: regarding the original victim in that opening scene. And so
Speaker 1: for everyone as far as just I think it's important
Speaker 1: to understand that you have like legitimate neopagan organizations this
Speaker 1: very day, in modern day, in this landscape that we
Speaker 1: reside in, that they exercise ritualized murder and blood sacrifice
Speaker 1: that they believe requires the use of ancient ruins by
Speaker 1: various groups. As far as who these various groups tend
Speaker 1: to believe in the magical elements of neopaganism right in
Speaker 1: many ways, and now that it seems too kind of
Speaker 1: it seems to kind of like reveal itself in in
Speaker 1: in you know, different ways depending on the group. But
Speaker 1: at the same time, I did find this fascinating because
Speaker 1: obviously the tragic murders of Abigail Williams and Liberty Germany,
Speaker 1: they share these shocking similarities to the to this original
Speaker 1: crime scene. Right. And so for anyone who is unaware,
Speaker 1: obviously these girls they were hiking on the Monan high
Speaker 1: Bridge Trail in Delphi, Indiana, right. And and I myself personally,
Speaker 1: I believe there's there's also no coincidence in terms of
Speaker 1: the location Delphi. I think Delphi, the oracle at Delphi.
Speaker 1: I think that in general and inherently it has occult connotations.
Speaker 1: I think to it so understanding really the way that
Speaker 1: some of these sort of cult organizations function, just in
Speaker 1: terms of like the Son of Sam case, for example,
Speaker 1: with David Berkowitz, I always found it interesting that that
Speaker 1: they would legitimately sort of utilize these these not only
Speaker 1: occult holidays where they would stage the actual crime or
Speaker 1: execution targeted assassination around, but they would also have this
Speaker 1: very interesting symbolic nature that was built in to the
Speaker 1: crime itself. Outside of the Elephis Club, right, which which
Speaker 1: has occult connotations to itself again, and so I personally,
Speaker 1: I do believe that when there is this this playbook
Speaker 1: that is very much being executed in terms of an
Speaker 1: actual occult factor being involved, then I definitely believe that,
Speaker 1: you know, there's clearly a reason that you would pursue
Speaker 1: that investigative threat. And so that's why where I found
Speaker 1: myself with the Delphi case is observing these strained synchronicities
Speaker 1: regarding the original victim in that in that first scene,
Speaker 1: and so the way that I kind of like introduce
Speaker 1: it is essentially that by the way, I think it
Speaker 1: could be referred to as a copycat imitation crime in
Speaker 1: a way the Delphi case, because it's seemingly duplicated in
Speaker 1: more ways than one. Right in Delphi in February thirteenth,
Speaker 1: twenty seventeen is when the bodies are discovered. Right in
Speaker 1: the first episode of True Detective, the initial victim's body
Speaker 1: was found in a sugar cane field. Right. Her corpse
Speaker 1: had been staged against a tree as if in prayer,
Speaker 1: with her head crowned with deer antlers and her body
Speaker 1: surrounded by twig lattice works which closely resembled these Cajun
Speaker 1: bird traps, right, And this disturbing triangular, crooked spiral cryptic,
Speaker 1: of course, was carved into the back of the murder victim.
Speaker 1: And it's the exact same symbol used by pedophiles to
Speaker 1: indicate their preference in little boys. So that according to
Speaker 1: the FBI, as far as the symbol itself, is known
Speaker 1: as the little boy lover logo. And that all was revealed,
Speaker 1: honestly in my Pizza Gate episode, I discussed how basically
Speaker 1: the FBI had had proven these symbols and had had
Speaker 1: kind of made them public. And so that is another
Speaker 1: case is that, you know, we could always imagine that
Speaker 1: once these symbols had been made public, obviously you're going
Speaker 1: to have a pivot in terms of the criminal enterprise.
Speaker 1: And so it was in two thousand and seven when
Speaker 1: WikiLeaks released the document, the FBI document that detailed that
Speaker 1: secret pedophile code, right, and how they would communicate secretly.
Speaker 1: And so it's just very unfortunate when you realize that
Speaker 1: that is the exact same symbol, but not at all shocking,
Speaker 1: because I think there's so much of that occurs, you know,
Speaker 1: very often. So but these these murders bodies of Liberty
Speaker 1: German and Abigail Williams. They're discovered near this Monent high
Speaker 1: Bridge trail, which is part of the Delphi Historic Trails,
Speaker 1: and after they had disappeared from that trail it was
Speaker 1: only I think twenty four hours I believe, and so
Speaker 1: it was the previous day and that they had disappeared,
Speaker 1: And so then you have this extensive media coverage that
Speaker 1: takes place and ensues after the bodies are discovered. And
Speaker 1: it was in part due to these audio and basically
Speaker 1: audio recordings and video recordings that were released by the authorities, right,
Speaker 1: and that basically came directly from Liberty Germans a smartphone, right,
Speaker 1: which I believe there was a recording of the Killer.
Speaker 1: You can even still watch this day, right, and it's
Speaker 1: the down the Hill, right, and there's even a potential
Speaker 1: reference to where you hear gun which allegedly but again
Speaker 1: there's like there's a shorter version that was released to
Speaker 1: the public and then there's an actual longer version that
Speaker 1: allegedly and so it's very interesting. But there's a timeline
Speaker 1: that was released and apparently it was on February thirteenth,
Speaker 1: twenty seventeen, when thirteen year old Abigail Joyce Williams and
Speaker 1: fourteen year old Liberty Rose Lynn German were dropped off
Speaker 1: by German's older sister Kelsey on County Road three hundred
Speaker 1: north east of the Hoosier Heartland Highway. And so these
Speaker 1: girls are hiking the Morning high Bridge Trail. And this
Speaker 1: is at two o seven, around two oh seven in
Speaker 1: the afternoon when she posted a photo of her friend
Speaker 1: Williams walking the bridge Abigail and so Liberty posted this
Speaker 1: photo I believe it was on Snapchat, and just after
Speaker 1: this post in two oh seven PM, they're not heard
Speaker 1: from again, and so that's when they're reported missing, like
Speaker 1: a couple hours later, I think it's five thirty and
Speaker 1: and so apparently the families they're they're searching for the
Speaker 1: girls themselves. They finally call the police after after time passes,
Speaker 1: and and so when whenever it's police, they obviously they
Speaker 1: don't initially release any of the details of how the
Speaker 1: girls were murdered, which is also interesting because that begins
Speaker 1: to surface, you know, not too long after you have
Speaker 1: you have investigators who are actually making statements as if
Speaker 1: there's there's one statement this most important that caught my attention,
Speaker 1: which was clearly that the FBI agent believed that the
Speaker 1: bodies had been staged. But still, I think it's important
Speaker 1: to at least mention the fact that there was a
Speaker 1: tip line that was established obviously, and uh and and
Speaker 1: you have this grainy photograph that appeared to capture this
Speaker 1: this man, hands in his pockets, head down, walking on
Speaker 1: the rail bridge towards the girls. And the person in
Speaker 1: the photograph was dubbed the bridge guy, right, and he
Speaker 1: was named the prime suspect in this double homicide. And
Speaker 1: on February twenty second, law enforcement released an audio recording
Speaker 1: during which the voice of the suspect was muffled. What
Speaker 1: it's heard to say, as I mentioned down the hill,
Speaker 1: And at a news conference, officials credit the source of
Speaker 1: the audio and imagery to German's phone. So that is
Speaker 1: where you get the connection to her smartphone and the
Speaker 1: actual video of the bridge guy. And so she's then
Speaker 1: sort of you know, as far as like the police,
Speaker 1: they indicate that additional evidence from the phone had been secured,
Speaker 1: but wouldn't be released in further details because essentially it
Speaker 1: would compromise the future trial. Right, And so after this
Speaker 1: you get I think it's by July seventeenth, there's a
Speaker 1: composite sketch of someone sat as a person and of
Speaker 1: prime interest in the murders, and the sketch was apparently
Speaker 1: created from eyewitness accounts of a hiker on the Delphi
Speaker 1: Historic Trails, and this is the day the girls had vanished,
Speaker 1: so Indiana State Police on April twenty second, twenty nineteen,
Speaker 1: two years later, this is when they announced a new
Speaker 1: direction in the case, right, and it's released a new
Speaker 1: sketch of the suspect that looked entirely different from the original,
Speaker 1: which I found interesting as well because the first the
Speaker 1: first picture was that of a very young individual, which
Speaker 1: to me personally makes a lot of sense once you
Speaker 1: find out how the girls were potentially procured or at
Speaker 1: least put in a position on the Mona high Bridge
Speaker 1: Trail that day, I think it legitimately does potentially directly
Speaker 1: connect to Anthony Shots, who is Keegan Klin. Anthony Shots
Speaker 1: is the Anthony Underscore. Shots is the Snapchat profile that
Speaker 1: was utilized by Keegan Klin. But I think there's no
Speaker 1: way that he didn't have a role to play in
Speaker 1: the context of this case, and so I definitely believe that.
Speaker 1: And so this makes a lot of sense to me
Speaker 1: as to why there's an additional sketch that's that's released
Speaker 1: and what's up. Brother. I did find it interesting that
Speaker 1: they established this, uh, this tip line obviously, and and
Speaker 1: so then you have an abandoned vehicle, right, that's uh,
Speaker 1: that's a that's found near the area abandoned off the
Speaker 1: Who's Your Heartland Highway in Delphi and this is uh,
Speaker 1: I think at the former Child Service Services office and
Speaker 1: and that uh, it was discovered. And so there's these
Speaker 1: these strange connections that began to h to kind of
Speaker 1: link to this individual by the name of Logan, right,
Speaker 1: which I found very strange because it doesn't seem like
Speaker 1: he was ever considered a legitimate suspect. Ronald Logan is
Speaker 1: his name, and he inevitably died in twenty twenty. But
Speaker 1: I just think that I understand he's very old at
Speaker 1: the time. I believe he was seventy seven, I think,
Speaker 1: which that is interesting. The number itself caught my attention.
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, something I wondered. I can say, it's sorry,
Speaker 2: sorry to interrupt you. It's just I do want to
Speaker 2: ask you, like your opinion, Lisa maybe even Tyrone if
Speaker 2: he knows even about this case or anything. It's almost
Speaker 2: kind of an overall thing I think is done regardless,
Speaker 2: you know, the stuff that I feel like that they
Speaker 2: put out, you know, that audio stuff and that video
Speaker 2: evidence we're supposed to like first off, there's no context
Speaker 2: to like why was this girl even recording something at
Speaker 2: that point? You know, Like I have a like if
Speaker 2: you ever sometimes look at like stuff either like in
Speaker 2: the news or true crime, sometimes you're given this this
Speaker 2: this video or this audio stuff and there was like
Speaker 2: no context behind it. It's almost like here, you go,
Speaker 2: have fucking fun with this and up with whatever a
Speaker 2: FUCKDRD shit you want to stop believing and start spreading
Speaker 2: around the internet. It's almost as if it's like, we're
Speaker 2: gonna give you some shit that really has nothing to
Speaker 2: do with it, and we're gonna just gonna let you take.
Speaker 1: Off with it.
Speaker 2: Because I think it's like even other things like sometimes
Speaker 2: when we're seeing stuff on the internet and we're taking
Speaker 2: it as real, it's like, did you notice that all
Speaker 2: of a sudden there was even a different angle of
Speaker 2: screenshot now, like this isn't you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 2: Like this isn't what you really think it is.
Speaker 1: This isn't reality.
Speaker 2: This was actually produced, you know, And it's just like
Speaker 2: I wonder like with this, with this type of case,
Speaker 2: I feel like the information they gave you, between that
Speaker 2: and their sketches of the people, none of it makes sense.
Speaker 1: And all the while, while they host this press conference,
Speaker 1: they revealed this secondary sketch, this new sketch, and announce
Speaker 1: an entirely different direction, a new direction in the case,
Speaker 1: while they're urging the public right to look at the
Speaker 1: new sketch, listen to the audio, watch how the man
Speaker 1: walks on the bridge and send tips to the tip
Speaker 1: line email. And that in itself felt like it was, uh,
Speaker 1: you know, kind of like they were engaging the internet
Speaker 1: sleuths in a way, you know, which I do feel
Speaker 1: like is a is a new phenomena in a in
Speaker 1: a certain extent, to a certain extent on YouTube.
Speaker 2: I think YouTube is right at least that we're just
Speaker 2: kind of think kind of getting that before. You will
Speaker 2: see like certain shows almost kind of like create the
Speaker 2: narrative on some of these topics, and none of them
Speaker 2: ever want to touch the fucking occult it all.
Speaker 1: It's very weird. Yeah, I think it is. It is
Speaker 1: a huge money the window into the tactical and strategic misdirection.
Speaker 1: Potentially you could you could even leverage and exploit the
Speaker 1: public to you know, facilitate that misdirection. And and that
Speaker 1: that very much seems like it could have been a
Speaker 1: part of this case, specifically due to the fact that
Speaker 1: I think so many of the authorities are potentially compromised
Speaker 1: in terms of of how they sort of pivoted to
Speaker 1: especially considering how Richard Allen even becomes a target and
Speaker 1: priority suspect. I mean that in itself is so strange, right,
Speaker 1: And so you have five years after the murders, right
Speaker 1: in September twenty twenty two, this is when investigators review
Speaker 1: this misfile tip after allegedly a volunteer file clerk discovered
Speaker 1: this error, which instantly that's a red flag to me.
Speaker 1: So in this tip, a man by the name of
Speaker 1: Richard Allen self reported three days after the murders to
Speaker 1: being on the trails. And the reason I mentioned that
Speaker 1: abandoned vehicle that was at the child Services office near
Speaker 1: the Mona high Bridge trail is because it was abandoned
Speaker 1: between noon and five pm on the day of the murders,
Speaker 1: which they claim obviously two point seven pm was the
Speaker 1: last time the snapchat was, you know, was utilized, and
Speaker 1: of course Liberty's Snapchat profile had taken that video obviously,
Speaker 1: and so that's the claim that they per just after this.
Speaker 1: So that's within that window of time obviously, which provides
Speaker 1: the opportunity. But I did want to say, what's up
Speaker 1: rebirth the world, my brother, and how are you doing? Man,
Speaker 1: It's nice to meet you. What is your name?
Speaker 4: Rebirth of the word Tyrone. I'm sorry, y'all for some
Speaker 4: reason on my calendar, say at one pm.
Speaker 1: I don't know why.
Speaker 4: My computer is having trouble with syncing with my phone,
Speaker 4: so I'm thinking I have to just go through my phone.
Speaker 2: Oh man, yeah, no, I have heard that happen, so yeah, yeah, sorry,
Speaker 2: love that, but you made it anyway, sir.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, you know. I always try to come like
Speaker 4: twenty minutes early, and I was like, what the heck
Speaker 4: they already started.
Speaker 2: I was like getting confused. I was like, maybe he's
Speaker 2: not home, because I know you were away too, so
Speaker 2: I was just like, oh, I don't know, maybe he No.
Speaker 4: Well, I definitely I was looking at because I was
Speaker 4: outside cut in the grass, and I kept getting notification.
Speaker 4: I was like, I still have like thirty forty minutes.
Speaker 1: What is it talking about?
Speaker 4: And I came in here and I looked at my
Speaker 4: computer and my calendars weren't both of them weren't sinking together.
Speaker 4: So I'm just going to start going off of my phone.
Speaker 4: I think because yesterday I had a major update on
Speaker 4: my PC, and I think that's what probably set it off.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I did know about the del Fi murders. I
Speaker 1: mean if I followed that.
Speaker 4: Uh when as soon as you put that on the
Speaker 4: calendar for the discussion, I was looking into it and
Speaker 4: I was like, oh, yeah, I remember just being on
Speaker 4: ABC News and Fox News and all that stuff like that.
Speaker 1: Man, It's crazy because I had no real prior knowledge
Speaker 1: of this and was not even you know, it didn't
Speaker 1: even cross my radar in the time that it was happening.
Speaker 1: But I think that is effectively just because I'm I'm
Speaker 1: kind of out of the loop in terms of just
Speaker 1: you know, cases that are currently taking place. For the
Speaker 1: most part, I'm not like actively looking into use these
Speaker 1: cases until honestly, they typically just have to organically cross
Speaker 1: across my path. That's typically how I come across some
Speaker 1: of this. But but again I had no expectation of
Speaker 1: what I was going to find.
Speaker 2: If you don't mind me making this statement, I think
Speaker 2: maybe you'll agree with this. You know what. I thought
Speaker 2: it was even weird with this because again, like almost
Speaker 2: like you, I didn't hear about it until like somebody,
Speaker 2: I think a fan or a listeners maybe somebody on
Speaker 2: the show mentioned it, and I was like, what the hell?
Speaker 2: Like ire you just sort of looking at some of it,
Speaker 2: and I was like, you know, why is it that
Speaker 2: like Gilgo Beach my opinion, Gilgo Beach and even the
Speaker 2: Idaho four I think are deeply occulted, but it's not
Speaker 2: blatant and that shit, those topics were like huge and
Speaker 2: like even like basically what I want to get it.
Speaker 2: I was just like, Yo, why does this case and
Speaker 2: I think is blatant occultism? You even have people involved
Speaker 2: in the case saying they think it's there, and nobody's
Speaker 2: fucking talking about it. I was just like, what, Like,
Speaker 2: you have these other crimes and I think are blatantly
Speaker 2: occult is as well, but nobody's bringing up the occultism.
Speaker 2: And then the one crime that I think is you know,
Speaker 2: telling you there's a cult shit in it. Nobody's covering that.
Speaker 2: It's like, what the like, I don't know. I'm just like,
Speaker 2: how did I not even hear about this?
Speaker 4: Did John here about the connection with the with the
Speaker 4: Norse paganism?
Speaker 1: Was y'all talking about that? Oh yeah, that, Well we'll
Speaker 1: get into the Oden Knight VINLANDR Group. That was the part. Dude,
Speaker 1: It's crazy, and I'm telling you it's something I had
Speaker 1: no understanding that I was going to to sort of
Speaker 1: like reveal this, this strange connection to this neo pagan
Speaker 1: organization that had infiltrated the prison system in Indiana to
Speaker 1: such an extent to where you had federal investigators who
Speaker 1: were compromised. I mean, not only was the prosecution, I
Speaker 1: think Prosecutor McCleland very clearly compromised. I think he himself
Speaker 1: is the reason that investigator Todd Klick was was you know,
Speaker 1: brutally shamed and and sort of his reputation damaged and
Speaker 1: his career was entirely destroyed. But we'll get we'll get
Speaker 1: into that. I just, uh, just briefly, I wanted to
Speaker 1: to finish kind of setting up what I viewed as
Speaker 1: why Richard Allen was sort of made put placed on
Speaker 1: the path of the Patsy deliberately in my mind, and
Speaker 1: it sort of seemed like he I feel as if
Speaker 1: he really sort of kind of I think he was.
Speaker 1: He was basically showing his morality in the way that
Speaker 1: he actually went. And like three days after. It's very
Speaker 1: interesting because as I mentioned the misfiled tip right and
Speaker 1: the clerk that allegedly found this, the volunteer file clerk clerk.
Speaker 1: But Richard Allen he decided to self report three days
Speaker 1: after the murders took place to being on the trails
Speaker 1: on the day of the murders and he reported seeing
Speaker 1: Williams and Liberty German. And this is all after his
Speaker 1: wife had just told him, like he had gone home
Speaker 1: that day, had told her, yeah, I went to you know,
Speaker 1: I went. I think he said he went fishing. You know,
Speaker 1: he fished off the bridge at one point a Mona
Speaker 1: high Bridge trail. And so he goes home and then
Speaker 1: I think it was three days later, his wife tells him, like, hey,
Speaker 1: the authorities that the police are asking for anybody who
Speaker 1: had gone to that area to provide any tips or
Speaker 1: any you know, obvious witness accounts of what they obviously
Speaker 1: saw that day. And so that's when Richard Allen decides
Speaker 1: that he's going to self report and go in three
Speaker 1: days after the murder. And so it wasn't until October
Speaker 1: twenty six, twenty twenty two, right, So that's September twenty
Speaker 1: twenty two, is allegedly five years after the original murder
Speaker 1: murders happened in twenty seventeen. This tip is found by
Speaker 1: this volunteer file clerk, and she then tells the investigators
Speaker 1: about this Richard Allen individual, who how on earth are
Speaker 1: your files that unorganized? To wear a very important and
Speaker 1: key tip that would obviously push you toward the direction
Speaker 1: of the priority perpetrator would have been lost in the
Speaker 1: shuffle just that alone, I mean as possible. You know,
Speaker 1: I'm not saying they're the most organized, but it does
Speaker 1: seem a little bit hard to believe on its face.
Speaker 1: But at the same time, it was October when Richard
Speaker 1: Allen was taken into custody, right, twenty twenty two, and
Speaker 1: he appears in court October twenty eighth, and I believe
Speaker 1: it was Indiana State Police that announced the last day
Speaker 1: of October that Allan had been charged with two counts
Speaker 1: of murder in the case, and he pled not guilty.
Speaker 1: But this all seemed to be sort of whenever the
Speaker 1: judge Francis gole, yeah, man, there's another picture of Richard Allen,
Speaker 1: and it's after he had been going through trial, and
Speaker 1: it looks like he's a shell of a human being
Speaker 1: like he legitimately, it's really sad to see the sort
Speaker 1: of physical consequences of just going through something like this.
Speaker 1: If you potential we're an innocent person, you know, I
Speaker 1: think it's at the very least it's worth considering that
Speaker 1: that might be the case. And who knows what he
Speaker 1: has endured while he's been in custody, because there's a
Speaker 1: lot more concerning his potential abuse. But still there was
Speaker 1: Francis gold the judge. She issued in November of twenty
Speaker 1: twenty two to unseal the probable cause affidavit that led
Speaker 1: to the arrest of Richard Allen. And so this is
Speaker 1: when the video footage recovered from the phone showed one
Speaker 1: of the victims mentioning gun as a man wearing a
Speaker 1: dark jacket and jeans approached them and ordered them to
Speaker 1: go down the hill and this is when the investigators
Speaker 1: claim it's Richard Allen in twenty twenty two November. So
Speaker 1: they also happened to find, and this is worth mentioning
Speaker 1: at least, is that there's a forty caliber unspent round
Speaker 1: that was found less than two feet from one victim's
Speaker 1: body between the two victims. Now, to me, I think
Speaker 1: very convenient, potentially planted evidence, right, That's just the first
Speaker 1: thing that comes to my mind, because, you know, very sloppy.
Speaker 1: If you're committing a ritualized murder with stage bodies to
Speaker 1: legitimately leave an unspent round from the murder weapon between
Speaker 1: the bodies, that doesn't make any sense at all. That
Speaker 1: sounds like you just took a bullet and threw it
Speaker 1: between the bodies and said there's the evidence, you know,
Speaker 1: honestly at that point who knows. But it was then
Speaker 1: determined that the round came from a gun. Yeah, Like
Speaker 1: it just crazy to me. But a witness claims she
Speaker 1: saw a man walking away from the bridge wearing a
Speaker 1: blue colored jacket and blue jeans and was muddy and bloody,
Speaker 1: all right. And another witness and a tip mentioned that
Speaker 1: a car was parked oddly and appeared to be parked
Speaker 1: in a way as if to hide its license plate.
Speaker 1: Investigators said the description of the vehicle matched a vehicle
Speaker 1: that Alan owned in twenty seventeen. Then you have a
Speaker 1: report coming out of Riley shortly after his arrest that
Speaker 1: Richard Allen told authorities that he was at his mother's
Speaker 1: house in Peru while his wife was working. Alan estimated
Speaker 1: that he left the house around eleven fifteen arrived at
Speaker 1: the Monen high Bridge Trail around an hour later. He
Speaker 1: then says he saw three girls passing by on the trail,
Speaker 1: before stating that he did not see anybody else after this,
Speaker 1: so he went on his phone to watch the stocks
Speaker 1: ticker while walking on the trail, before deciding he could
Speaker 1: not find his black twenty sixteen Ford Focus. This was
Speaker 1: a strange part of the story on the trail property.
Speaker 1: After he finds his vehicle, drives back to his mother's home,
Speaker 1: Alan said he continued to watch the stocks. He then
Speaker 1: says he told his wife that he was on the
Speaker 1: trail the day the girls went missing. His wife mentioned
Speaker 1: that the police were looking to talk to people who
Speaker 1: may have information, so he said he went to the
Speaker 1: sheriff's office and spoke with the Apartment of Natural Resources
Speaker 1: officer days after the two girls were killed. So all
Speaker 1: that fundamentally plays in and fits perfectly into the alleged
Speaker 1: you know, at the very least timeline. And so this
Speaker 1: is when in October of twenty twenty three, Judge Goal
Speaker 1: removes the defense attorneys and she cites gross negligence due
Speaker 1: to crime scene photos being leaked from their office. The
Speaker 1: attorney's removal was appealed to the Indiana Supreme Court, in
Speaker 1: which the justices of the Indiana Supreme Court reinstated the
Speaker 1: defense attorneys to the case that in itself was as
Speaker 1: if it looked like a potential, uh, you know, disruption
Speaker 1: of justice in a way where you're you're, at the
Speaker 1: very least, you're you're attempting to remove defense attorneys from
Speaker 1: a case because you're citing the fact that they have
Speaker 1: revealed damning crime scene photographs. Now, I understand that there's
Speaker 1: some some sort of process in terms of the evidence
Speaker 1: you're you're allowed to make public, but at this same time,
Speaker 1: that seems like gross negligence. I don't know about that.
Speaker 1: You know, it's very interesting that most of this was
Speaker 1: being held secret, especially when the families themselves were demanding
Speaker 1: that the you know, much of the evidence was made public,
Speaker 1: and so yeah, I mean as recent as October twenty
Speaker 1: twenty four was when the trial began, right, and prosecutors
Speaker 1: they state both the girls had their throats cut. Williams
Speaker 1: was found fully clothed, whereas German was discovered nude. An
Speaker 1: unspent forty caliber bullet from Allan's gun found between the bodies.
Speaker 1: Prosecutors said that Allen had admitted to the murders more
Speaker 1: than sixty times while incarcerated, confessing to his wife, his mother,
Speaker 1: family members, the prison warden, the psychologists who treated him
Speaker 1: in prison, other prison employees, and other inmates. The confessions
Speaker 1: were made in person, over the and in writing. Prosecutors
Speaker 1: told the jury that Allan was the Bridge Guy after
Speaker 1: showing them a digitally enhanced forty three second version of
Speaker 1: the cell phone video recorded by German. A state Police
Speaker 1: master trooper who had listened to more than seven hundred
Speaker 1: of Allen's prison phone calls, testified that the voice of
Speaker 1: the bridge Guy is the voice of Richard Allen, and
Speaker 1: the jury, which had been sequestered during the trial, began
Speaker 1: deliberations on November seventh, Allan was convicted November eleventh, twenty
Speaker 1: twenty four, on all counts and his sentencing date was
Speaker 1: set for December twentieth, and he was officially sentenced to
Speaker 1: one hundred and thirty years. And when you look at
Speaker 1: at the individual sentencing hearing, it was very interesting because
Speaker 1: obviously I think the judge was very much France.
Speaker 5: Scole was playing hold on, I have an ad playing
Speaker 5: on my shit, what is happening?
Speaker 1: Oh it's the wrong one, sorry guys. Boom, all right,
Speaker 1: there we go. So what I found here was that
Speaker 1: it looks like, yeah, one hundred and thirty years in prison.
Speaker 1: But Francis gold, the judge, she says that this is
Speaker 1: what she says when she when she convicts him. Alan.
Speaker 1: He's fifty two years old. Convicted on November eleventh, and
Speaker 1: the special judge in the case, Francis Gole, sentenced Alan
Speaker 1: on two of the four murder counts and imposed the
Speaker 1: maximum of sixty five years for each count to be
Speaker 1: served consecutively. The sensing hearing, which included victim impact statements
Speaker 1: from six relatives of the teens, lasted less than two hours,
Speaker 1: and after it concluded, one of Allen's defense attorneys said
Speaker 1: they planned to appeal and seek a new trial. He
Speaker 1: looked entirely I saw the video of him outside the
Speaker 1: courthouse whenever he was approached by the media. He looked
Speaker 1: like he looked like he was an attorney who was
Speaker 1: kind of like it looked as if he had he
Speaker 1: had witnessed a glimpse into the sort of machinations of right,
Speaker 1: of this sort of the deliberate facilitation of a cover up,
Speaker 1: you know, and how you are kind of left on
Speaker 1: the outside in terms of pursuing any real justice, bringing
Speaker 1: forward any actual corroborative, e sculptory evidence, you know, honestly,
Speaker 1: And so she made some crazy statements surrounding Richard Allen's
Speaker 1: character in the sentencing hearing, and at Richard Allen himself
Speaker 1: basically was didn't say a word while he was being sentenced.
Speaker 1: And to me, personally, I think there's a reason for that.
Speaker 1: I think he's been entirely, you know, personally destroyed probably
Speaker 1: throughout the process, but especially if you're considered to have
Speaker 1: murdered two young girls, right who are thirteen years old.
Speaker 1: I mean that in itself is is you know, I
Speaker 1: just couldn't even imagine if if you're an innocent man.
Speaker 1: You're being accused and then convicted and sentenced for a
Speaker 1: crime you didn't commit that had moral implications to that level.
Speaker 1: But this is where the story gets very interesting because
Speaker 1: I feel like we, at the very least, we set
Speaker 1: it up the way that it should be in terms
Speaker 1: of understanding, you know, the the evidence that was put forward,
Speaker 1: and in my mind, as far as just the limited
Speaker 1: sort of controlled a flow of what was being you know,
Speaker 1: basically publicized and put a bit made available to the public.
Speaker 1: And so you have FBI agents who began to speak
Speaker 1: out claiming that bodies were staged at the crime scene. Right,
Speaker 1: And this all begins because and this apparently is due
Speaker 1: to the So there's misinterpretations and as far as these
Speaker 1: Richard Allen and his defense attorneys, they basically claimed that
Speaker 1: these federal investigators working the case had made these Now
Speaker 1: you have the Delphi memorandum, that's very important in terms
Speaker 1: of this case as well. But when you have federal
Speaker 1: investigators who are making these claims public, I think that's
Speaker 1: more important than anything. And basically you have FBI agent
Speaker 1: who believes that clothing was taken and bodies were staged
Speaker 1: in the Delphi murders, and he essentially says, this is
Speaker 1: Agent Nicole Robertson. Nicole Robertson believed a possible suspect in
Speaker 1: thirteen year old Abby Williams and fourteen year old Libby
Speaker 1: Jerman's deaths lived at a property near where their bodies
Speaker 1: were found. And that's why I brought up the name
Speaker 1: of Ronald Logan, right, Who's that elderly man who allegedly
Speaker 1: was seventy seven years old, And that is when it
Speaker 1: was on his property that the ritual murder site was found.
Speaker 1: So court documents detail a search warrant request made from
Speaker 1: March seventeenth to twenty seventeen. The request is to search
Speaker 1: the home of Ronald Logan, which is only fourteen hundred
Speaker 1: feet from where the bodies were found now the search warrant.
Speaker 1: In the search warrant, the agent Robertson, Nicole Robertson notes
Speaker 1: that pieces of the clothing from one of the victims
Speaker 1: were missing, and that it appeared the girl's bodies were
Speaker 1: moved in stage. There were no visible signs of a
Speaker 1: struggle or fight. The agent suspect suspected a souvenir had
Speaker 1: been taken by the killer, and that it was common
Speaker 1: for perpetrators to memorialize the crime scene with pictures and
Speaker 1: then Agent Nicole Robertson also said investigators recovered fibers and
Speaker 1: unidentified hairs at the crime scene. She noted that seventy
Speaker 1: seven year old Logan appeared to be in good enough
Speaker 1: physical condition and his voice was not inconsistent with that
Speaker 1: of the voice captured on German's phone. Now, I wouldn't
Speaker 1: say that he was the Bridge guy, because again I
Speaker 1: will get into who I legitimately do believe is the
Speaker 1: perpetrator who was represented as the Bridge Guy, and I
Speaker 1: don't think that it was Ronald Logan. I think that
Speaker 1: he was potentially involved with the local chapter of the
Speaker 1: cult organization and maybe this is why they had access
Speaker 1: to his property to potentially arrange a ritualistic murder site
Speaker 1: such as this. That would make more sense to me
Speaker 1: that he was potentially just an involved member and was
Speaker 1: allowing this to almost take place. And maybe he was,
Speaker 1: you know, even involved on the ground level and was
Speaker 1: legitimately taking part in the ritualistic sacrifice with the other members.
Speaker 1: But I don't think he himself, at seventy seven years old,
Speaker 1: was the Bridge guy right, who was actually procuring the
Speaker 1: girls and physically taking them to their ritualistic death site.
Speaker 1: You know. So the FBI agent then notes that in
Speaker 1: an interview with Logan's relative, the relative tells the agent
Speaker 1: that Logan called them the morning of February fourteenth, So
Speaker 1: this is the day after. And also consider this February
Speaker 1: fourteenth isn't a cult holiday, it is a legitimate This
Speaker 1: came up in Son of Sam the reason that they
Speaker 1: staged one of the ritualistic murders. I think it was
Speaker 1: Stacy Moussey. I can't remember who it was now, but
Speaker 1: it was on Valentine's Day, and it entirely was intended
Speaker 1: to be a symbolic reference, you know. And I think
Speaker 1: that when you understand, like the at least what individuals
Speaker 1: have claimed to be the case in terms of the
Speaker 1: layered agenda of an occult ritual sacrifice. Yeah, I definitely
Speaker 1: believe that the subconscious nature of individuals even participating, just
Speaker 1: at a psychological level, whether it unbeknownst to themselves, I
Speaker 1: think that there's potentially in the minds of the occult initiate,
Speaker 1: there's a legitimate path to harnessing that energy that you
Speaker 1: are sort of which I find I find to be
Speaker 1: very interesting at the very at the least. So anyway,
Speaker 1: still they note that that clearly you know this had
Speaker 1: happened the fourteenth or the thirteenth, and then the bodies
Speaker 1: are discovered on the fourteenth. But it's interesting as far
Speaker 1: as the fact that this Richard what's his name again,
Speaker 1: I keep forgetting his name, Ronald Logan, Richard Allen, Sorry
Speaker 1: but yeah, Ronald Logan. Okay. So he basically gives this
Speaker 1: call and to a relative the day after the murders
Speaker 1: happened and the day the bodies are found, and he
Speaker 1: asked them to lie about where he had been the
Speaker 1: previous afternoon. This is prior to the bodies actually being discovered,
Speaker 1: and Logan allegedly asked the relative to say they drove
Speaker 1: to a Lafayette aquarium store at a time that matched
Speaker 1: when Williams and German went missing around two PM. So
Speaker 1: a receipt was actually found in Logan's home and showed
Speaker 1: a checkout time a five to twenty one PM. All right,
Speaker 1: and the FBI agent noted the store was approximately thirty
Speaker 1: minutes from Logan's home, so very much still fits within
Speaker 1: the timeframe in terms of the actual crime taking place
Speaker 1: and the abductions of the girls at the very least, so,
Speaker 1: the agent said, Logan's statements about his whereabouts were found
Speaker 1: to be factually false and intentionally designed to deceive law
Speaker 1: enforcement officers. The FBI agent also said the relative believed
Speaker 1: the original image of the suspect looked like Logan, so
Speaker 1: that is worth you know, I think pointing out that
Speaker 1: the proximity of where Libyan Abbey's bodies were located.
Speaker 6: You know, really on the property. I have to take
Speaker 6: this to take this off.
Speaker 1: Sorry, guys, it keeps popping up, and I have an
Speaker 1: article pulled up about Anthony Shotts, and the stupid ad
Speaker 1: keeps playing over and over again. And the only reason
Speaker 1: I have that pulled up is because I think it
Speaker 1: is actually important a reference. But yeah, so now we
Speaker 1: sort of make our way into the more interesting aspect
Speaker 1: of this case, because you had a woman who had
Speaker 1: a relationship with this Ronald Logan years earlier, and she
Speaker 1: tells law enforcement at that time that Logan had been
Speaker 1: physically abusive, threatened that he could kill her and no
Speaker 1: one would find her body, that Logan carried a gun
Speaker 1: with him everywhere he went, in a fanny pack. She
Speaker 1: told the agent that when she first saw the image
Speaker 1: of the suspect, she thought it was Ronald Logan. Another
Speaker 1: woman who had been in a relationship with Logan told
Speaker 1: law enforcement that when she heard the bodies were found
Speaker 1: near Logan's home, she believed he was involved. The FBI
Speaker 1: agent noted that a search of a tip database about
Speaker 1: a month after the murders had fifty teen tips connecting
Speaker 1: Logan to the murders. The FBI agent also claimed that
Speaker 1: text messages sent to and from Logan's phone the evening
Speaker 1: of February thirteenth, twenty seventeen, showed he was likely outside
Speaker 1: his home and in the proximity of where Libyan Abbey's
Speaker 1: bodies were located. It was then noted Logan had been
Speaker 1: physically able to get up and down the hill from
Speaker 1: his home to the crime scene when he met with
Speaker 1: the officers on February seventeenth. Specifically, they believed the agents
Speaker 1: that Logan could be involved in the murders, and were
Speaker 1: quoted saying, I believe there is probable cause to believe
Speaker 1: that Ronald Logan has committed the crime of murder, and
Speaker 1: evidence of that could be found on Ronald Logan's property.
Speaker 1: This is when he dies in twenty twenty, never officially
Speaker 1: being named as suspect in the Delphi murders case. So
Speaker 1: that is the first person that crossed my radar that
Speaker 1: seemed to know, at the very least, it seemed to,
Speaker 1: you know, provide a little bit more credible evidence than
Speaker 1: that of Richard Allen's involvement on the day of the murders.
Speaker 1: And so then we have this Anthony shots individual who
Speaker 1: comes up in this strange connection on December sixth of
Speaker 1: twenty twenty one, and Indiana State Police they basically asked
Speaker 1: for help from anyone who had contact with Anthony shotts
Speaker 1: account profile, and detective said the account with the username
Speaker 1: Anthony shots was used on Snapchat and Instagram, among other
Speaker 1: social media platforms, in twenty sixteen and twenty seventeen. Now,
Speaker 1: I think it's important to mention that only minutes before
Speaker 1: Libby captured that video of the bridge guy, she had
Speaker 1: posted a picture of her best friend on Snapchat as
Speaker 1: they walked along the mon And High Bridge. So that
Speaker 1: to me was I thought instantly this could be a
Speaker 1: matter of they were essentially lured into their position into
Speaker 1: place right by this what I viewed to to be
Speaker 1: honestly a window into how children could be procured in
Speaker 1: a network in modern day, right, utilizing these social media
Speaker 1: platforms like a snapchat to obviously attempt to procure children
Speaker 1: for a network of abuse or even for a potential
Speaker 1: ritualistic initiatory sacrifice, things of that nature. Right. And I
Speaker 1: think that that this is a window into how you
Speaker 1: could potentially go about doing so in the digital age, right,
Speaker 1: because so many of the examples that I've witnessed over
Speaker 1: my research of the course of my research into other
Speaker 1: cases in the past have kind of shown a similar
Speaker 1: path and a similar playbook, but didn't quite you know,
Speaker 1: prove to write directly kind of link to this sort
Speaker 1: of digital procurement, you know, in the sort of modern aid.
Speaker 1: And I think that this could be a way that
Speaker 1: many of these strange individuals, like like if you look
Speaker 1: at a picture of Keegan Klein, who is Anthony Shots, Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's it's very obvious this guy was legitimately guilty of
Speaker 1: at the very least engaging with child pornography, right, And
Speaker 1: I think he was obviously a pedophile. But so if
Speaker 1: you're already this kind of you know, sinister individual who
Speaker 1: has these sadistic sexual proclivities. Then you're operating in an
Speaker 1: environment where you're seeking out other sadistic sociopaths, right, with
Speaker 1: similar proclivities, which you will then pursue as a group.
Speaker 1: And I think that the very least certain individuals play
Speaker 1: various roles within that framework. And Keegan Klin could very
Speaker 1: well just have been a child procurer for a larger
Speaker 1: network and for his own benefit, you know, because he's
Speaker 1: clearly not only can you in terms of the enterprise
Speaker 1: financially profit off of something like that, you can also
Speaker 1: gain you know, free and open access in certain ways,
Speaker 1: and easier access to and more available avenues to those
Speaker 1: very you know, unfortunate situations of vulnerable children, right. And
Speaker 1: so state police say the person behind the account used
Speaker 1: a male model right photos of a male model, and
Speaker 1: portrayed himself as being extremely wealthy and owning numerous sports cars.
Speaker 1: They say the person used the profile to communicate with
Speaker 1: underage girls to solicit NEWD images and want to know
Speaker 1: if anyone has requests to get their address or try
Speaker 1: to meet with him. They put out another statement they
Speaker 1: say they've identified the male model that was used in
Speaker 1: the photos on the account that the man is not
Speaker 1: a person of interest in the Delphi case. He legitimately
Speaker 1: looks like some sort of like Bieber, Justin Bieber type
Speaker 1: male model, you know, like the actual pictures that were
Speaker 1: being used by King and Klein on the Anthony Shots profile.
Speaker 1: And it is a way that you could very obviously
Speaker 1: appeal to the younger generation or just young young girls
Speaker 1: who don't know any better and are obviously attracted to
Speaker 1: that lifestyle. Yeah, it would be one way you could.
Speaker 1: You can very easily confuse them and disorient them and
Speaker 1: lure them into a position where they would become obviously yeah,
Speaker 1: they would. They would just be potentially at the Monent
Speaker 1: high Bridge trail waiting for Keing and Kline to pick
Speaker 1: them up right or Brad Holder, for example, who I
Speaker 1: believe was potentially involved. So I think there's direct evidence
Speaker 1: of that. But at the same time, you have a
Speaker 1: connection to the Delphi murders, to the Anthony Shots fake
Speaker 1: social media profile which started with another incident. This incident
Speaker 1: was reported to police just day after the bodies were found.
Speaker 1: And uh, and so they obviously the question Keek and Kline. Uh,
Speaker 1: And it was like August twenty twenty, I think is
Speaker 1: when this happened, and and so yeah, it was improved
Speaker 1: and just close that every time it pops.
Speaker 2: Up also messes up your audio.
Speaker 1: I noticed that. I'm sorry, but anyway, yeah, I should
Speaker 1: know that because I think that happened to me once
Speaker 1: before when I pulled that before. It's it's a local
Speaker 1: like some local news from Indiana. And but anyway, I
Speaker 1: need to get an ad blocker. So so yeah, it is. Ah,
Speaker 1: it's very interesting that obviously this profile, the Snapchat profile
Speaker 1: was in uh it was in conversation, you know, with
Speaker 1: actually engaging with Libyan Abby just before their bodies were discovered.
Speaker 1: So client was not charged. This is supposedly unrelated in
Speaker 1: terms of the case that he was then interrogated in
Speaker 1: twenty twenty based off of but he'd been held in
Speaker 1: the Miami County jail for over a year and a
Speaker 1: half on thirty charges of child pornography and exploitation, so
Speaker 1: he obviously was did have a serious criminal history, and
Speaker 1: Klin admitted in court records to creating the Anthony Shots
Speaker 1: profile to communicate with underage girls and receive sexually explicit images.
Speaker 1: So the transcript of this video interview that Klein gave
Speaker 1: when he was arrested in is like one hundred and
Speaker 1: ninety four pages, and essentially police questioned Kline in that
Speaker 1: interview about another school aged girl that gave her address
Speaker 1: to Anthony Shotts just days after the Delphi murders, and
Speaker 1: Klein knew the girl's family from Galveston, Indiana. So the
Speaker 1: police investigator told Klein, she comes home from school, sees
Speaker 1: this guy with a ski mask looking in her bedroom
Speaker 1: window directly after giving this address to Anthony shots That's
Speaker 1: the incident that started everything else last time, he says,
Speaker 1: that's how everything started last time, was that incident. So
Speaker 1: that's what they tell. The police investigator tell Keegan Klin
Speaker 1: Keeg and Klin responds saying that's crazy. And police tell
Speaker 1: Clin that he searched online for information about the family
Speaker 1: on February nineteenth, the day before the incident. So I
Speaker 1: did think that was important because he's sitting there and
Speaker 1: he's lying to the authorities while he's being interrogated on
Speaker 1: this incident, and then they legitimately kind of put him
Speaker 1: into position as far as kind of like lured him
Speaker 1: into place as well in tricking him to claim as
Speaker 1: if that wasn't the case, right, in terms of being
Speaker 1: involved and actually engaging in conversation with this girl who's
Speaker 1: claims that a masked figure was discovered outside her bedroom,
Speaker 1: you know, just after like hours after or within a
Speaker 1: day that she had just obviously engaged with this Anthony
Speaker 1: Shots snapchat profile. So now the person behind the Anthony
Speaker 1: Shots snapchat profile was the one of the last to
Speaker 1: communicate Libby German before her death, right, And so the
Speaker 1: Anthony shots profile told another person that he was supposed
Speaker 1: to meet up with Libby quote but she never showed up.
Speaker 1: So I think that at the very least he was
Speaker 1: clearly involved in attempting to lure them to the Mona
Speaker 1: high Bridge trail. I believe that that was his role,
Speaker 1: and at the very least he was he was clearly
Speaker 1: you know, attempting to First of all, why would that
Speaker 1: account also be you know, directly connected to an unrelated
Speaker 1: case where a young teenage girl is right engaging with
Speaker 1: this Anthony Shots profile and then within hours there's a
Speaker 1: mass figure outside our bedroom. So to me, it feels
Speaker 1: as if potentially this is a path toward abducting children, right,
Speaker 1: And anyway, I do think it's it's one of the
Speaker 1: most interesting aspects of the case because except for the
Speaker 1: occult connections, because I do think that that this was
Speaker 1: at the very least a strategic way to kind of
Speaker 1: procure the children, right, and that in itself, I think
Speaker 1: was important to the Vinlander group who were who were
Speaker 1: attempting to find victims. So as we we, I think
Speaker 1: the Delphi memorandum is the best example of providing the
Speaker 1: most crucial information of first of all the withholding of
Speaker 1: the ex sculptory evidence, but also the exculpatory evidence that
Speaker 1: proves the cult connection to the neo pagan organization. And
Speaker 1: so that is when you have you know, basically, there's
Speaker 1: a memorandum that's submitted to the court by Richard Allen's attorneys.
Speaker 1: This all happens in twenty twenty three, and he's then
Speaker 1: fifty years old, right, and he's maintained his innocence, you know,
Speaker 1: throughout this entire process, as well as his attorneys claiming
Speaker 1: right that instead of he Richard Allen committing the killings
Speaker 1: in twenty seventeen, they claimed the murders were carried out
Speaker 1: by a pagan cult hijacked by white nationalists. So members
Speaker 1: of this pagan Norse religion called Odinism, hijacked by white
Speaker 1: nationalists ritualistically sacrificed to Abigail Williams and Liberty German his attorneys.
Speaker 1: They also claim that Allen's UH essentially possible Odinism signatures
Speaker 1: were left behind by the killers and UH, and that
Speaker 1: the victims bodies they are essentially reinforcing what the federal
Speaker 1: investigators claimed that the victims' bodies had been staged by
Speaker 1: trees with branches and sticks laid across their bodies in
Speaker 1: the in the shape of pagan symbols, and one of
Speaker 1: those pagan symbols was on soots I believe was one
Speaker 1: of the symbols, which it's it's a it's pretty interesting
Speaker 1: what would actually and you have a federal UH essentially
Speaker 1: the Behavioral Analysis Unit that the FBI's Behavioral Analysis Unity.
Speaker 1: They claimed that there were Nordic beliefs, you know, they
Speaker 1: determined Nordic beliefs were tied to UH, you know, the
Speaker 1: perpetrators of this of this killing. But with the the
Speaker 1: sort of deliberately withhold, the deliberate withholding of sculptory evidence
Speaker 1: that all comes in the form of of sort of
Speaker 1: one you have members of there's overwhelming evidence as well
Speaker 1: throughout the course of this memorandum. It's fascinating stuff, But
Speaker 1: members of this pagan Norse religion called Odinism, hijacked by
Speaker 1: white nationalists, ritualistically sacrificed Abigail in liberty. So very early on,
Speaker 1: those in charge of the Delphi murder investigation claim that
Speaker 1: they consulted with a Purdue professor now concerning what resembled
Speaker 1: possible Odinism signatures left behind. After the Purdue professor proclaimed,
Speaker 1: according to a state trooper named Jerry Holman, that it
Speaker 1: was not Odinism or any type of cult worshiping or
Speaker 1: any type of group that would have conducted the crime,
Speaker 1: the Odinism angle was essentially abandoned after this statement was
Speaker 1: made by this Purdue professor. So, as of September seventh,
Speaker 1: twenty twenty three, the leaders of the Delphi investigation team,
Speaker 1: they were claiming that they can't identify who this purported
Speaker 1: professor was, have provided no reports from this purported professor
Speaker 1: and have further indicated that they may never be able
Speaker 1: to figure out who this professor is. So that to
Speaker 1: me shows that they were clearly trying to misdirect everyone
Speaker 1: from even pursuing this angle of the odinism signatures of
Speaker 1: the crime scene. And therefore they tried to get some
Speaker 1: anonymous Purdue professor who was never his name was never
Speaker 1: revealed to the investigators that that would be enough to
Speaker 1: essentially kind of misdirect the angle of the case itself
Speaker 1: and the investigators who are involved. So they themselves admitted
Speaker 1: that they have no idea who this professor was. And
Speaker 1: this is all based in large part upon this mystery
Speaker 1: professor Purdue professor's opinion that the del Phi investigative leadership
Speaker 1: claimed it essentially abandoned considering Odenite involvement in the murders.
Speaker 1: And so then we have years pass right from twenty
Speaker 1: eighteen to twenty twenty two, And luckily for us, we
Speaker 1: have a few examples of at least two individuals I
Speaker 1: believe potentially three, which Kevin Murphy. He's remained the most
Speaker 1: kind of silent after all of this. But law enforcement
Speaker 1: officers by the name of Kevin Murphy, Greg Ferrency, and
Speaker 1: Todd Klick, they pursued the truth, you know, and legitimately
Speaker 1: seemed to have you know, actual integrity. And so there
Speaker 1: were they began to provide just extraordinary evidence in terms
Speaker 1: of establishing the names and the murderers who were likely
Speaker 1: involved as members of this Oden Night cult. And it
Speaker 1: was I think the Delphi investigative leadership they made all
Speaker 1: of this at least some of it was becoming public
Speaker 1: by February twenty eighteen. So you had this sort of
Speaker 1: the state of Indiana. I think it was in twenty
Speaker 1: twenty three May of May, there's a prosecutor, Nick mcclealand right,
Speaker 1: he receives a letter of from former Rushville assistant police
Speaker 1: chief Todd Klick, who's now been retired, and Click says,
Speaker 1: Murphy and Farency where three of the law enforcement officers
Speaker 1: who worked on the Delphi murder case, particularly focused on
Speaker 1: the Odin Night angle as it intersected with suspects in Rushville, Indiana. Now,
Speaker 1: after going through Richard Allen's probable cause affidavit, Click becomes
Speaker 1: concerned that information contained in Richard Allen's affidavit points the
Speaker 1: finger pointing the finger at Richard Allen was far less
Speaker 1: compelling than the totality of the information the detective Farency,
Speaker 1: Murphy and Click had accumulated during the Rushville portion of
Speaker 1: their investigation. So it gets this is where it gets fascinating,
Speaker 1: because the information that these investigators provide, who were among
Speaker 1: the task force that was its sole purpose when it
Speaker 1: was created was to investigate and trace the Odenite connections
Speaker 1: to the crime scene itself, and so that in itself,
Speaker 1: if you have federal investigators in the task force of
Speaker 1: three who are essentially given this priority and then it's
Speaker 1: later on entirely covered up, and the individuals who are
Speaker 1: part of the task force right are kind of like
Speaker 1: they endure these ultimate consequences. It begins to at the
Speaker 1: very least, to provide a some sort of smoking gun
Speaker 1: into a facilitation of a cover up and reinforce that notion.
Speaker 1: But so they gather some extraordinary evidence and a letter
Speaker 1: was then provided to the prosecutor obviously, and so this
Speaker 1: exculpatory information was entirely withheld from the jury right on
Speaker 1: behalf of the prosecution, and so was McCleland. He was
Speaker 1: essentially kind of I think this was all in order
Speaker 1: to obviously be to sit on this e sculptory evidence,
Speaker 1: hoping that the defense team would refocus its efforts on
Speaker 1: another angle of the investigation. But the exculpatory evidence claims
Speaker 1: that you know, obviously the contents of what was found
Speaker 1: in this memorandum were just too damning. Right in terms
Speaker 1: of the names of the actual perpetrators, you have you
Speaker 1: have actual witnesses like who are spouses right of the
Speaker 1: individuals named, who are coming out with you know, actual
Speaker 1: testimony to these at least in their conversation with investigators.
Speaker 1: They're telling these members of the task force right in
Speaker 1: extraordinary detail what had taken place the night of the
Speaker 1: murders and also the sort of falling out that that
Speaker 1: ensued afterward in terms of the social interactions of the
Speaker 1: members of the group itself. So they essentially this is
Speaker 1: when you have the Behavioral Analysis Unit of the FBI,
Speaker 1: they determine through a summary of clicks investigation that the
Speaker 1: actually they determined that the individuals responsible for the homicides
Speaker 1: were involved in Nordic beliefs. And so when you have
Speaker 1: the BAU of the FBI actually admitting this fact, I
Speaker 1: think that also provides another sort of smoking gun. But
Speaker 1: this was all sort of to the defense as far
Speaker 1: as as no member of the Unified Command in charge
Speaker 1: of the investigation revealed any of this information. To the
Speaker 1: defense team during any of the depositions that take took place,
Speaker 1: so that even included Trooper Holman, who I believe was
Speaker 1: compromised and a part of the cover up. He tells
Speaker 1: the defense that he didn't remember if the FBI's BAU
Speaker 1: unit determined one way or the other whether those with
Speaker 1: Nordic beliefs had been involved in the murders. But it
Speaker 1: starts to reveal itself through the course of kind of
Speaker 1: like digging down into the individual investigators who are part
Speaker 1: of this case. You can very obviously see, almost at
Speaker 1: face value, after a certain point of reading through the
Speaker 1: affidavits and the memorandums and the court documents, that who
Speaker 1: is acting in good faith and who is very clearly
Speaker 1: attempting to pursue this cover up. And so yeah, anyway,
Speaker 1: I think that is basically I just wanted to, at
Speaker 1: the very least kind of make that statement because as
Speaker 1: far as the you know, the withholding of the sculptory evidence,
Speaker 1: I think it was deliberate. I think if you look
Speaker 1: into it at a deeper level, and I covered it
Speaker 1: in more detail on my own personal episode regarding this,
Speaker 1: that it becomes very obvious that you have so much
Speaker 1: of the Odinist evidence, the evidence that the prosecution turned
Speaker 1: over to the defense, the timing of it all being
Speaker 1: turned over to the defense, It was all scattered throughout
Speaker 1: multiple hard drives, on many different flash drives. They made
Speaker 1: it as difficult as possible to put any of this together, right,
Speaker 1: and especially for the defense. And and uh and so
Speaker 1: that again seems as if it's deliberate. But here's where
Speaker 1: the Olderness ties to the crime scene began to to
Speaker 1: really reveal themselves. And and it's through the prosecution learning
Speaker 1: in early August that the defense had figured out these
Speaker 1: strong Olderness ties to the crimes, despite these obvious attempts
Speaker 1: to to uh buy the prosecution right to to essentially
Speaker 1: misdirect and uh and withhold the evidence from from the defense.
Speaker 1: So investigators themselves provided the defense with a lot of
Speaker 1: this information, and that that upset the prosecution, It upset
Speaker 1: the judge, who was clearly in bed with the prosecution.
Speaker 1: It's it's very strange. Sorry, I need a little bit
Speaker 1: of coffee. All we're going, we're going.
Speaker 7: So the.
Speaker 1: This is when you kind of have basically you have
Speaker 1: Todd Klick. He's desperate, he wants to allay his fears
Speaker 1: that an innocent man was sitting in Westville in regards
Speaker 1: to Richard Allen, and so he attends a meeting with
Speaker 1: the Trooper Holman right and he hopes that he would
Speaker 1: learn that evidence did in fact exist linking Richard Allen
Speaker 1: directly to the murders. But he claims in his own
Speaker 1: affidavit that his hopes were dashed right and upon directing
Speaker 1: the letter to Prosecutor mcclealand he heard nothing from the
Speaker 1: Prosecutor's office or any other members of Unified Command until
Speaker 1: he received phone calls on August twenty third in August
Speaker 1: twenty fifth of twenty twenty three, which involved discussions regarding scheduling.
Speaker 1: During the phone calls, it was requested that he meet
Speaker 1: with Trooper Holman during the week of September fourth. He
Speaker 1: was informed that law enforcement officials intended to sit down
Speaker 1: with him and discuss with him the reason why Richard
Speaker 1: Allen was responsible for these crimes. He was told that
Speaker 1: Jerry Holme wanted to put his mind at ease. However,
Speaker 1: during the meeting with Detective Holman and a second detective
Speaker 1: whose name he was unfamiliar with, there was no discussion
Speaker 1: or offerings as to why they believed Richard Allen was
Speaker 1: guilty of the charge crimes. He believes the interview was
Speaker 1: an attempt to buy them the the detectives, the troopers
Speaker 1: to clean up their loose ends, knowing that they had
Speaker 1: given very little, if any attention to the investigative efforts
Speaker 1: by himself, Detective Pharrency or Detective Murphy, who were all
Speaker 1: members of the task force who were investigating the Odinism
Speaker 1: signatures to the crime scene. So not only did you
Speaker 1: have Carroll County Sheriff Tony Ligett failed to include all
Speaker 1: this Oden Night information in his October twenty twenty two
Speaker 1: affidavit for search warrant. Not only did Prosecutor McClelland and
Speaker 1: the Unified Command with hold e sculptory evidence, Ligett also
Speaker 1: concealed damaging witness statements that devastate Ligatt's timeline, timeline which
Speaker 1: was needed to be true in order to place Richard
Speaker 1: Allen at the trail when Abbey and Libby were abducted.
Speaker 1: So this is how they further control and I think
Speaker 1: manufacture their own version of this sort of timeline that
Speaker 1: fits this mainstream, you know, made for public perception version
Speaker 1: of the Delphi murders. So Richard Allen, he clearly has
Speaker 1: zero connections to as far as to any of the
Speaker 1: Pagan cult pagan cult organizations, and no forensic evidence or
Speaker 1: DNA electronic evidence links Richard Allen to the girls to
Speaker 1: the crime scene. It was only the forty caliber round
Speaker 1: that was discovered between the bodies, and he is even
Speaker 1: mentioned in the affidavit. It says flat out by the
Speaker 1: investigators he is a completely innocent man. Most of the
Speaker 1: evidence backing these assertions was found scattered over no less
Speaker 1: than ten hard drives several flash drives provided by the prosecution,
Speaker 1: meaning that the defense they weren't wildly making accusations, but
Speaker 1: rather primarily relaying facts and information that is backed up
Speaker 1: by the prosecutor's own discovery. So not coincidentally, Odinus, members
Speaker 1: of the same pagan cult were employed at the corrections
Speaker 1: as corrections officers for the Indiana Department of Corrections at
Speaker 1: Westville Correctional Facility.
Speaker 2: I always thought that was the weird shit with this
Speaker 2: whole thing, too, right, And so that.
Speaker 1: Is where the Westville Correctional Facility, this maximum security unit,
Speaker 1: this reformatory that Richard Allen was being threatened, intimidated, and
Speaker 1: mentally abused is what the claims are. And so Unified Command,
Speaker 1: they're essentially the leadership who were in command over the
Speaker 1: Delphi murder investigation. And Tony Laguette, who I mentioned a
Speaker 1: moment ago, Carroll County sheriff and member of the Unified
Speaker 1: Command when the investigation began. So the Unified Command consists
Speaker 1: of law enforcement from a variety of entities. So you
Speaker 1: have state, local, federal, and they are overseers of the
Speaker 1: entire investigation operation. This is why it's so important to
Speaker 1: have mentioned the fact that the Unified Command was so
Speaker 1: directly involved with withholding e sculptory evidence from the defense,
Speaker 1: you know, and the jury of course, because that was
Speaker 1: never going to even be made available to the jury, right,
Speaker 1: And that's it's so interesting to see how this all
Speaker 1: plays out and how the judge inevitably rules against allowing
Speaker 1: any of the odness and investigative right evidence to be
Speaker 1: put forward and made public in the trial. Right, So Odinism,
Speaker 1: I think I guess we should just briefly mention what
Speaker 1: it is the pagan religion, you know, reference throughout all
Speaker 1: of these court documents and it's followers. They refer to
Speaker 1: as Odenites oderness. You know, they're they are very usually
Speaker 1: obsessed with Viking Nordic culture, you know, often is the case,
Speaker 1: and and and so there's a lot of different evidence
Speaker 1: that supports the you know, at the crime scene that
Speaker 1: these Odenites were legitimately leaving behind obvious signatures and symbols
Speaker 1: in the form of these ancient ruins.
Speaker 2: I think I want to add the Real Quick also hosted, like,
Speaker 2: you know, if there's any legitimacy to all this stuff
Speaker 2: from my experience too. You know, I've mentioned on the show,
Speaker 2: I did two years in federal prisons. Uh, there was
Speaker 2: a bunch of olderness in there, so I mean you
Speaker 2: could even be be getting intimidated by the gang that's
Speaker 2: in the prison.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, yeah, I'm just really you just want to throw
Speaker 1: that in there.
Speaker 2: I mean, there was a fun of them in the
Speaker 2: I mean, they're all cool guys, they love their drugs
Speaker 2: and they just want kind of pretty much didn't bother anybody,
Speaker 2: but it was enough of them.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I have I've had a lot of pushback on
Speaker 1: by some strange neo pagans that that I didn't realize
Speaker 1: how much they they legitimately are actively practicing their belief system,
Speaker 1: you know, and and and so they've been pushing back
Speaker 1: just in terms of the way that I sort of
Speaker 1: demonized the philosophy behind Odonism, and throughout the course of
Speaker 1: this case, it's hard not to if you're talking about
Speaker 1: the actual criminals involved who are practicing and exercising the
Speaker 1: blood ritual sacrifice. That is the reason I'm not saying
Speaker 1: all Odinists are committing blood ritual sacrifice obviously, but unfortunately,
Speaker 1: I do think that there's far more you know, neo
Speaker 1: pagan belief systems that that exist in these various groups
Speaker 1: that are just underacknowledged. Like I was very underaware of
Speaker 1: the the idea that there were many of these Nordic
Speaker 1: beliefs systems that exist at this moment, you know, I'm
Speaker 1: just unaffiliated, right, and so like this was all new
Speaker 1: to me in certain ways, right, And so that was
Speaker 1: another aspect of this that that I had never been
Speaker 1: introduced to Odinism or the Odonite you know, philosophy or
Speaker 1: ideology until this case. So it's hard not to have
Speaker 1: some sort of like, you know, just in terms of
Speaker 1: interpreting the belief system and the potential like Avenue of
Speaker 1: what you pursue while you're a believer in this, In
Speaker 1: a group such as this, it definitely has a at
Speaker 1: the very least, it reflects badly upon any others who
Speaker 1: are affiliated. And so I understand why you would push back.
Speaker 1: If you're a neo pagan or you know, an Odonite
Speaker 1: and in no way are you violent or committing some
Speaker 1: sort of ritual sacrifice, then hey, you know this doesn't
Speaker 1: have anything to do with you, right Like, I think
Speaker 1: that's what you need to People should should at the
Speaker 1: very least kind of I don't know, interpret it in
Speaker 1: that way instead of as if I'm attempting to blanket
Speaker 1: statement condemn an entire belief system. That's not what you know.
Speaker 1: I was just going to say.
Speaker 4: I was going to say, you know, it's just not
Speaker 4: the Odinism or just one religion that practices blood sacrifices.
Speaker 4: You will find that in all religions, even in Christianity, Catholics.
Speaker 2: I mean.
Speaker 4: The thing is is that the people who are I'm
Speaker 4: going to to say fanatics in their religion sticks to
Speaker 4: what their religious books say. And then you have people
Speaker 4: who don't do the blood sacrifices put it the blood
Speaker 4: on the doors or sacrificing animals and stuff like that
Speaker 4: that is part of their religion. A lot of people
Speaker 4: don't follow that, you know what I'm saying. So, you know,
Speaker 4: putting it all on just one religion is you know,
Speaker 4: kind of I'm just going to say, you know, kind
Speaker 4: of kind of wrong because when you pick up that
Speaker 4: Holy Bible every day you go to every time you
Speaker 4: go to church on Sunday, they skip over to blood
Speaker 4: sacrifices that they're supposed to.
Speaker 1: Do, I know, right, So it's an oversimplification I think
Speaker 1: to obviously put in in any sort of blankness statement reference, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I agree with you, and a hundred percent you're right too.
Speaker 1: Man Like. Growing up, I grew up as a Southern Baptist,
Speaker 1: right Like, my grandpa was like the deacon of the
Speaker 1: Baptist Church, and so I was kind of drenched in
Speaker 1: this sort of what Christian Zionism really in many ways, unfortunately,
Speaker 1: at least the interpretation of the individuals who were surrounding me.
Speaker 1: You know, I feel like they had been very much
Speaker 1: influenced and unfortunately in the wrong direction. But that's just
Speaker 1: my personal opinion. But I will say that, Yeah, what's
Speaker 1: a communion?
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: I mean, you're symbolically engaging in a ritual sacrifice in
Speaker 1: a way, or a blood ritual, right, You're drinking the
Speaker 1: blood of Christ is allegedly what you're doing, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, that's what it is, and consuming his
Speaker 1: flesh as well, so it's it's even cannibalistic.
Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly. And you know, it's so funny that you
Speaker 4: say that, because I'm going to bring this up. Everybody
Speaker 4: knows about what mana is in the Bible. When you
Speaker 4: go to the Greek uh the strongs cocordance and you
Speaker 4: look at what mana is, it literally means man like
Speaker 4: no joke, I'll pull it up in a second. You
Speaker 4: look up at the strongs cocordance and you look up
Speaker 4: what it means. Mana means it means man and I'll
Speaker 4: bring it up just a moment. But it's crazy that
Speaker 4: that it said that, because a lot of people will say, well,
Speaker 4: it's a bread like substance. Well, bread was all kinds
Speaker 4: of food back then. That was their word for for food.
Speaker 4: We use food today you they use the word bread,
Speaker 4: bread or fish, right, So a lot of people don't
Speaker 4: realize that. And that's why I like me personally, I
Speaker 4: like to go to the origins of the word and
Speaker 4: understand what exactly the word is meaning, because in Hebrew,
Speaker 4: I'm telling you, it's it's so crazy going from Aramic
Speaker 4: to Hebrew to the to the Greek translations.
Speaker 1: Mana means man right man that is? That is Honestly,
Speaker 1: I think the etymology of people don't know, Like I
Speaker 1: think that casting spells, what does that really mean?
Speaker 2: You know?
Speaker 1: It's like it I feel like there's there's a kind
Speaker 1: of this supernatural, you know, unacknowledged reality to just I
Speaker 1: think people don't realize how much power you you could
Speaker 1: potentially possess. And I'm not meaning it in the form
Speaker 1: of I just think frequency e M F right. I honestly,
Speaker 1: it's it's like, legitimately, we are electrical beings in certain ways, right,
Speaker 1: so you can harness these aspects, and if you are
Speaker 1: aware enough and you understand the sophisticated nature of how
Speaker 1: much has been accomplished over over generations, there's a reason
Speaker 1: why you can legitimately control the human mind utilizing you know,
Speaker 1: these electromagnetic frequencies and various things of that nature. But yeah,
Speaker 1: the etymology of these words, I entirely believe that that
Speaker 1: you know, nothing happens by accident, you know, so typically
Speaker 1: it's it's I think, utilized in the fashion to where
Speaker 1: you know, there are layered meanings to what is being
Speaker 1: This is why I mentioned Delphi being the strategic location
Speaker 1: where this this ritual would take place. And the same
Speaker 1: with the Son of Sam case and the Ultimate Evil
Speaker 1: and the idea of the sort of subconscious participation. You know,
Speaker 1: I think that that's so crazy that and I mentioned
Speaker 1: it once before because basically I have a like my
Speaker 1: thoughts on this sort of intersection of culture creation, social engineering,
Speaker 1: COVID intelligence operations, and esoteric occult ideologies right where it's
Speaker 1: like essentially they're subconsciously initiating people using various methods of deception.
Speaker 1: And I think that that is a part of the
Speaker 1: etymology that you mentioned right of the and uh, I
Speaker 1: do think that that there are layered meanings to so
Speaker 1: much and and and so much of that is you know,
Speaker 1: just if you have yet to be introduced to this
Speaker 1: frame of thought, right this this at least avenue of thought,
Speaker 1: then then yeah, I think you are sort of running
Speaker 1: a risk of vulnerability at the very least. And that's
Speaker 1: another reason why I'm so concerned with sort of the
Speaker 1: art of war and the concept of knowing your enemy,
Speaker 1: because I think if you you know, if you do
Speaker 1: not understand the threats that are being posed and that
Speaker 1: you legitimately face, then you know, how are you to
Speaker 1: manufacture any sort of legitimate, you know, uh, defense mechanism
Speaker 1: that that would hopefully, you know, run counter to a
Speaker 1: lot of this propaganda and misinformation being and levied against us,
Speaker 1: or worse than that, you know, there's there's a there's
Speaker 1: a supernatural outcome here, and they're strategically pursuing it, and
Speaker 1: and uh and maybe a subconscious participation in accult ritual,
Speaker 1: whether that's your interpretation of what took place or not,
Speaker 1: is is crucial. I'm not certain of that, but I
Speaker 1: find I find it very interesting at the least. But yeah,
Speaker 1: so so to say that, you know odinism right the
Speaker 1: As far as the the ruins that were discovered, it's
Speaker 1: it's strange the ancient ruins that they were utilizing for
Speaker 1: the symbols of the crime scene, because first the ruins
Speaker 1: were they're formed with sticks fashioned with tree branches painted
Speaker 1: using the blood of liberty. German sticks and tree branches
Speaker 1: were deliberately, carefully and proficiently placed on each girl in
Speaker 1: a certain arrangement, mimicking certain ruins. So at least one
Speaker 1: of the branches appeared to have its end cut off
Speaker 1: cleanly by some type of tool like potentially an electric saw,
Speaker 1: and this provided sort of proof of a preconceived plan.
Speaker 1: So then you additionally have this sort of the blood
Speaker 1: of liberty German being used to paint a mark on
Speaker 1: a tree with a run that looks similar to the
Speaker 1: letter F. So when you look up this symbol, the
Speaker 1: ruin would it's identifiable as one referred to as as onsuts,
Speaker 1: I believe is the way that you pronounce it, and
Speaker 1: it's a calling card basically, but it's it's very strange onsots.
Speaker 1: When you look up this, it's sort of like from
Speaker 1: the Germanic third to the thirteenth centuries, some of these
Speaker 1: alphabetical ruins that are that are utilized, and it's many
Speaker 1: of them do resemble the letter F, but on SUTs
Speaker 1: was the one that seemed to look identical to that
Speaker 1: of the symbol found on the tree in the blood
Speaker 1: of one of the girls in the Delphi case, And
Speaker 1: allegedly this stands for Odin as well, so ont stands
Speaker 1: for odin as well, and uh. And so that in itself,
Speaker 1: I mean, law enforcement failed to actively pursue any of
Speaker 1: those obvious links between the crime scene and odinism. But
Speaker 1: beyond the fact that you have the tree branches sort
Speaker 1: of staged and arranged mimicking these ruins and the electric saw, right,
Speaker 1: you you have law enforcement in charge of the investigation,
Speaker 1: they just entirely decide that that this is uh, you know,
Speaker 1: not at all of any concern obviously, And and so
Speaker 1: they decide that essentially odinism, despite an obscene amount of
Speaker 1: evidence linking this to the crime scene, and even in
Speaker 1: spite of powerful evidence linking specific Odinness in and around
Speaker 1: Indiana the murders, they decide that this is nothing to
Speaker 1: pursue going forward. And so anyway, at this point, you
Speaker 1: have a particular Odonite named brad Holder, and he's from
Speaker 1: Logan's Port, and he posts on social media images mimicking
Speaker 1: the very ruins found at the crime scene, and a
Speaker 1: crime scene which at that time, by the way, is
Speaker 1: unreleased and unknown to the general public. Right And so
Speaker 1: I instantly I had to look into who this brad
Speaker 1: Holder was, and it turns out he is an Odinite
Speaker 1: whose son Logan had been dating Abby, right, and so
Speaker 1: that in itself was okay, there's a direct connection here.
Speaker 1: He already knew this girl. She could have become a
Speaker 1: priority target very easily. And Brad Holder's social media posts
Speaker 1: seemed to taunt the very police that refused to fully
Speaker 1: investigate the Odinis ties to the crime scene or he himself.
Speaker 1: And the defense believes that the core or was as
Speaker 1: far as the number of Easter eggs that were discovered
Speaker 1: after the murders. It's interesting because the defense was claiming
Speaker 1: that the court would be shocked, but again they couldn't
Speaker 1: bring any of that forward, so it didn't amount to anything.
Speaker 1: And so Holder openly posts on his Facebook page that
Speaker 1: he was clearly involved in the murders, right he In fact,
Speaker 1: there's a Brad Holder. It's very interesting because he's never
Speaker 1: even considered to be a suspect, right. And that's mind
Speaker 1: blowing to me, especially considering the fact that police reports
Speaker 1: written near the time of the murders revealed that Jerry Holman,
Speaker 1: one of the troopers is he was. He mentioned that
Speaker 1: Brad Holder was cleared as a suspect initially, like right
Speaker 1: away on March sixteenth, twenty seventeen. And so yeah, to me,
Speaker 1: I find that very interesting that the they would instantly
Speaker 1: kind of clear him right without looking into any of
Speaker 1: these connections, and so they claimed there were no leads
Speaker 1: requiring required concerning Bradholder, right. So then there was this
Speaker 1: sort of interesting moment that happened within the Unified Command
Speaker 1: right after brad Holder is cleared. The girls hadn't even
Speaker 1: been dead for thirty days, and the Unified Command already
Speaker 1: cleared him as a suspect. And so already you have,
Speaker 1: essentially you have the investigation barely even beginning, and this
Speaker 1: is taking place. So both women they have tree limbs
Speaker 1: all right, arranged all over their bodies. One of the
Speaker 1: women had her arms stretched out above her head, similar
Speaker 1: to the way that Libby's arm was stretched above her head.
Speaker 1: And that's in the context of essentially, on April twelfth,
Speaker 1: twenty seventeen, you have Joseph Ryan Winters, who's a trooper,
Speaker 1: and he receives a phone call from a man in
Speaker 1: Georgia and named Ryan Bouche who had discovered disturbing images
Speaker 1: on bradholder social media account. So somehow he learns that
Speaker 1: brad Holder's son, Logan, had dated Abby Williams, and Bouche
Speaker 1: this individual who's giving the tip to the trooper, Joseph
Speaker 1: Ryan Winters. He began reviewing bradholder social media history on
Speaker 1: his own. So one of the images Bouchet viewed on
Speaker 1: brad holder social media account was an image of two women,
Speaker 1: either dead or posed as if they were dead, on
Speaker 1: the ground in what appeared to be a forest. And
Speaker 1: this is of course both women. They have tree limbs
Speaker 1: arranged on their bodies. One of them had her arms
Speaker 1: stretched out above her head, which is exactly what happened
Speaker 1: with Libby's arm which was stretched above her head, and
Speaker 1: both women were clothed in The stick in tree branch
Speaker 1: formations on these girls was different than the stick in
Speaker 1: tree branch formations on Abbey and Libby, but other than that,
Speaker 1: it bore a very eerie similarity to the murder scene
Speaker 1: in Delphi. So this Ryan Bouchet who's giving this tip,
Speaker 1: Sorry my dog, He essentially says that, well, one he
Speaker 1: claims that he contacts you know this. Basically he sees
Speaker 1: these disturbing images, right, and he discovers that brad Holder
Speaker 1: seems to have an obsession with bruins that he's posting
Speaker 1: on a social media account at the time, and so
Speaker 1: not only did you have all of these eerie similarities
Speaker 1: to the actual murder scene in Delphi that had just
Speaker 1: taken place and he had just been cleared as a witness,
Speaker 1: but you are now seeing that he's also posting images
Speaker 1: of these runes which are then discovered at the crime scene,
Speaker 1: but never made officially public until later on by investigators.
Speaker 1: So this, to me, I thought was was very important
Speaker 1: and interesting because he clearly he believes that that these
Speaker 1: disturbing images we were you know, some sort of of Essentially,
Speaker 1: it was like he was he was proud of of
Speaker 1: the event taking place, and he was he was clearly
Speaker 1: kind of uh in a way, he just to not
Speaker 1: even have concern over the investigators discovering these these you know,
Speaker 1: obvious posts that you're making. That in itself shows that
Speaker 1: he felt as if he had legitimate protection already. And
Speaker 1: so this bouchet, this individual who's providing these these interesting,
Speaker 1: you know, tips to the trooper, he decides that he
Speaker 1: would contact you know, state police instantly after discovering all
Speaker 1: of this stuff, and so throughout their conversation he the
Speaker 1: trooper memorializes the interaction and places these images provided by
Speaker 1: Bouchet into a drop box account, and he creates a
Speaker 1: report right discussing the findings. So this was given this
Speaker 1: report face to face to Jerry Holman of Unified Command,
Speaker 1: who I think has been in many ways facilitating that
Speaker 1: very cover up. So in the report, Winter's requested law
Speaker 1: enforcement to reinterview Brad Holder. The defense did not believe
Speaker 1: Unified Command ever followed up on winters requests. Now, it
Speaker 1: also should be noted that the disturbing images found by
Speaker 1: Bouchet and Georgia and placed in a dropbox by Winters
Speaker 1: were never provided to the defense team. So in his
Speaker 1: recent deposition, as far as Winters himself said that he
Speaker 1: had attempted to locate the images but was unable. However,
Speaker 1: because of the potential importance of those images to Richard
Speaker 1: Allen's case, the Defense team located Bouche and then traveled
Speaker 1: to Georgia to meet with him. So this is the
Speaker 1: only way that they could actually gain access to any
Speaker 1: of this information, which is fascinating to me. So these
Speaker 1: images are now in the possession of of essentially, first
Speaker 1: of all, the images themselves weren't provided to the defense
Speaker 1: until it was just like the timing of it, right,
Speaker 1: it was, it was so far after they should have
Speaker 1: had a significant time with this this you know, legitimate
Speaker 1: information and credible corroborative evidence and e sculptory evidence, but
Speaker 1: instead they were given it at a very late date
Speaker 1: in terms of the process itself. And so again the
Speaker 1: important images that law enforcement clearly failed to hand over
Speaker 1: to the defense in a timely manner. So instead then
Speaker 1: the defense locates these these images from the actual individual
Speaker 1: who provided the troopers with the images themselves. So that
Speaker 1: I think is important, right, because the trooper himself, he
Speaker 1: talks to the witness, he gets the images, he puts
Speaker 1: them in a file, he makes a report, gives them
Speaker 1: to you to gives all this information a unified command,
Speaker 1: and they withhold it from the defense. That's the whole
Speaker 1: point that should be made obviously. So that that was
Speaker 1: in my mind, very clearly obvious. Uh you know, cover
Speaker 1: up in more ways than one. So uh So, this
Speaker 1: this suspect brad Holder though, it's it's very interesting to
Speaker 1: me because the defense claims that the position of William's
Speaker 1: body uh echoes that of a painting titled Odin hanging
Speaker 1: from World Tree. Right, so the same uh. The basically,
Speaker 1: there's this painting and evidence of an additional uh, darker
Speaker 1: component to the Odinism h aspects of the staging of
Speaker 1: the bodies and UH and the human sacrifice and imagery
Speaker 1: found you know involved. And so these lawyers are citing
Speaker 1: imagery online of a man hanging upside down from a
Speaker 1: tree who has been sliced in the neck with blood
Speaker 1: dripping to the ground and and UH. This man's arms
Speaker 1: are posed similarly to Abby's at the carme scene, and
Speaker 1: the legs of the man are also posts similarly to
Speaker 1: Abby's at the crime scene. His left leg is straight,
Speaker 1: his right leg is bent at the knee. The only
Speaker 1: difference is that the man's right leg is placed over
Speaker 1: the left leg, while Abby's right leg was posed under
Speaker 1: her left leg. Who knows the symbolic nature of that.
Speaker 1: While disturbing obviously, the image appears to be depicting a
Speaker 1: foundational myth in Norse mythology in their belief system, wherein
Speaker 1: Odin sacrificed himself on the branches of the world tree,
Speaker 1: stabbing himself and hanging upside down for nine days to
Speaker 1: obtain the wisdom of the ruins. Unified Command's failure to
Speaker 1: vigorously pursue the obvious links between the crime scene and
Speaker 1: odinism is even more perplexing when you discover this Vinlander
Speaker 1: group right which evidence known to law enforcement demonstrated a
Speaker 1: clear nexus between Bradholder and at least four other suspects.
Speaker 1: This is when I feel like I actually got a
Speaker 1: direct glimpse into the perpetrators who were involved and who
Speaker 1: legitimately did participate in the murders of Abbey and Libby.
Speaker 1: And I legitimately do think, like considering the amount of
Speaker 1: witnesses that came forward, the people who know them personally,
Speaker 1: and I'm telling you, I do think that Elvisfields, Patrick Westfall,
Speaker 1: and Brad Holder were key perpetrators who legitimately were a
Speaker 1: part of the ritual sacrifice of Abbey and Libby. But
Speaker 1: I see, so they're from Rushville, and I think this
Speaker 1: is what provides this sort of interesting nexus between Delphi
Speaker 1: and the Rushville area because there were multiple people involved
Speaker 1: in the Vinlander group and they were from different areas.
Speaker 1: So you have Elvis Fields from Rushville, Patrick Westfall from Delphi,
Speaker 1: Patrick Westfall himself seems to have the most important connections
Speaker 1: that could have provided them with legitimate protection. Police protection even,
Speaker 1: I think is at the very least it's implicated and
Speaker 1: alluded to in certain ways by Brad Hold. I think
Speaker 1: it was Bradholder's wife at the time, named Amber Holder,
Speaker 1: who made these statements, and so it's coming from someone
Speaker 1: obviously a spouse. But they separated after all of this
Speaker 1: took place, so in my mind, clearly there was this
Speaker 1: sort of inevitable fallout. But yes, so Patrick Westfall from Delphi,
Speaker 1: Johnny Messer from Rushville, and Rod Abrams from Rushville, and
Speaker 1: so unified command. They were aware that Elvis Fields confessed
Speaker 1: to his sister that he was involved in the murders,
Speaker 1: even providing to his sister intimate crime scene details of
Speaker 1: which only those present at the crime scene would have familiarity.
Speaker 1: So Elvis Fields told his sister Mary on February fourteenth,
Speaker 1: twenty seventeen, day after the murders, that he was present
Speaker 1: at the killings and that he now had a brother
Speaker 1: and was now part of a gang. That's an initiation
Speaker 1: in my mind, as far as you know, to legitimately
Speaker 1: tell your sister the day after the murders took place,
Speaker 1: that you now had a brother and were now part
Speaker 1: of a gang, and that you were present at the killings. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's kind of interesting, you know, I don't I don't
Speaker 1: understand how any investigator would just deliberately ignore that. But
Speaker 1: in February of twenty eighteen, Elvis had been questioned by
Speaker 1: law enforcement denied involvement in the murders. But after being
Speaker 1: dropped off at his trailer following the questioning, he turns around,
Speaker 1: walks back to the police car, and based on the
Speaker 1: police report, he asked the state trooper if his spit
Speaker 1: is found on one of the girls, but he could
Speaker 1: explain it away, would he still be in trouble? Like,
Speaker 1: could you imagine if you're that investigator you just got
Speaker 1: finished questioning him and he comes back to the car
Speaker 1: after you're dropping him off at his residence, and he
Speaker 1: asked this question. And the state trooper that heard Elvis
Speaker 1: uttered these words was named Kevin Murphy, who was a
Speaker 1: part of the three member task force right that I
Speaker 1: had mentioned earlier, whose sole purpose was to investigate the
Speaker 1: odinism or odenite crime, you know, signatures of the crime scene.
Speaker 1: And Kevin Murphy was not part of Unified Command, but
Speaker 1: clearly I mentioned he's a member of that task force,
Speaker 1: but immediately relays that Elvis's disturbing questions to the member
Speaker 1: of Unified Command by the name of Jay Harper, and
Speaker 1: so Elvis Fields, this alleged perpetrator, who was a member
Speaker 1: of a gang. Now after this alleged to sort of
Speaker 1: what seems to have been an initiatory ritualistic blood sacrifice,
Speaker 1: he admitsed to a different sister by the name of Joyce,
Speaker 1: that he had in fact spit on one of the girls.
Speaker 1: Elvis told Joyce that he was on a trail and
Speaker 1: a bridge with two girls that were killed, and that
Speaker 1: he was going away for a long time. Elvis's alibi
Speaker 1: for February thirteenth was also probably flawed. State troopers who
Speaker 1: weren't part of Unified Command determined that Elvis's roommate concocted
Speaker 1: a story concerning his whereabouts on February thirteenth, twenty seventeen.
Speaker 1: This roommate went by the name of Rod Abrams, and
Speaker 1: Rod Abrams told a story claiming that on that very day,
Speaker 1: February thirteenth, that essentially he and Elvis Fields and a
Speaker 1: man by the name of Ned Smith were visiting a
Speaker 1: sick friend in Munsey, Indiana. Now, unfortunately for Rod Abrams,
Speaker 1: this story conflicted with this story of Elvis Fields and
Speaker 1: what he had told law enforcement as to his whereabouts
Speaker 1: on February thirteenth. So these alibis are completely shady. They
Speaker 1: clearly don't actually stand up in terms of what was
Speaker 1: relayed and as far as the alibis are concerned to
Speaker 1: the Unified Command, and Unified Command knew that on February one,
Speaker 1: twenty eighteen, Elvis's sister passed a polygraph examination when asked
Speaker 1: if she were telling the truth about what ELVISA had
Speaker 1: confessed to her. So you have that additional connection as well.
Speaker 1: Then you have this sort of ritual description and the
Speaker 1: fallout between Holder and Westfall, which made a lot of
Speaker 1: sense because after this goes public and they're attempting to,
Speaker 1: of course, you know, kind of distance themselves from any
Speaker 1: of the questioning that's being you know, pursued at the
Speaker 1: time by any of the real investigators. Yeah, man, I'm
Speaker 1: telling you, I think I think there's far more symbolis,
Speaker 1: you know, symbolism involved than just even you know, odin
Speaker 1: hanging from world tree. I think it could have far more,
Speaker 1: you know, just a cult significance, you know. But I'm
Speaker 1: not again, I'm uninitiated, man. I don't have all the
Speaker 1: details of what they believe, and it is very interesting.
Speaker 1: I would like to have a deeper understanding of kind
Speaker 1: of the principles they allegedly pursue. But as far as
Speaker 1: what I discovered throughout this process and kind of researching,
Speaker 1: you know, this case directly was that obviously you had,
Speaker 1: you know, law enforcement ignoring all these direct connections except
Speaker 1: for the task force themselves, who was only a three
Speaker 1: person task force, and so basically information about this oden
Speaker 1: Nite named Patrick Westfall, it essentially was, you know, it's
Speaker 1: inexplicable in terms of the odiness signatures and the evidence
Speaker 1: that was provided a law enforcement how they could have
Speaker 1: ignored it. So Patrick Westfall, another Odenite, was living in
Speaker 1: Delphi very close to the murder scene on February thirteenth.
Speaker 1: Evidence known to Unified Command included the fact that hello Odinites,
Speaker 1: Patrick Westfall and Brad Holder were close friends as late
Speaker 1: as January twenty first, twenty seventeen. However, that friendship ended
Speaker 1: very abruptly in February, the very same month that the
Speaker 1: murders would take place. The schism in their friendship would
Speaker 1: essentially result from a fight that what was relayed to
Speaker 1: I believe Amberholder, the wife, was that this fight had
Speaker 1: occurred between Holder and Westfall and February twenty seventeen where
Speaker 1: he Holder and Westfall were in the woods near a
Speaker 1: river conducting a ritual. One of them said or did
Speaker 1: something the other didn't agree with, and they no longer
Speaker 1: talked to each other. The river was near Patrick's house,
Speaker 1: and this is apparently coming from and so it's coming
Speaker 1: from Amberholder, as I mentioned the ex wife, but she
Speaker 1: says that an intoxicated Brad Holder shared this disturbing information
Speaker 1: with her when he's under the influence, and that Amberholder
Speaker 1: then relays this disturbing information to law enforcement who weren't
Speaker 1: part of Unified Command in twenty nineteen, and these officers
Speaker 1: then of course relayed this disturbing information to Unified Command.
Speaker 1: But Logette, member of Unified Command, he conceals this information
Speaker 1: from Judge Jiner, I believe he was the chief police
Speaker 1: as well Legette. But in twenty nineteen, Unified Command learned
Speaker 1: that in a totally different conversation with his ex wife,
Speaker 1: brad Holder pointed the finger away from himself and directly
Speaker 1: at Patrick Westfall as being the person actually responsible for
Speaker 1: the murders of Abbey and Libby. So, according to police reports,
Speaker 1: Bradholder told his ex wife Amber Holder, that Westfall, Patrick Westfall,
Speaker 1: and his people killed Abigail Williams in Liberty, German because
Speaker 1: one of their mothers was mixing with other people outside
Speaker 1: their mother's race. He also says unified command and was
Speaker 1: aware that brad Holder had told Amber that quote, I
Speaker 1: can only protect you so much if you keep asking questions.
Speaker 1: He then Bradholder further tells his ex wife Amber that
Speaker 1: Patrick Westfall had many people backing him up and that
Speaker 1: Westfall also had powerful friends. Was the quote, So that
Speaker 1: made me think Patrick Westfall has more connections to essentially
Speaker 1: potentially even leadership of the local authorities that were involved
Speaker 1: in facilitating the cover up and misdirecting the investigators, because clearly,
Speaker 1: if the claim is he has powerful friends backing him up.
Speaker 1: And this is Bradholder telling his wife this fact. And
Speaker 1: just after the fallout, after a ritual held held in
Speaker 1: the woods near a body of water a river which
Speaker 1: is exactly the description of the crime scene of Abby
Speaker 1: and Libby. Then, yeah, it seems as if there were,
Speaker 1: you know, clearly some sort of official protection concerning the
Speaker 1: authorities in the local area. But so member of the
Speaker 1: Unified Command Leget he knew of this information for more
Speaker 1: than three years, right before he sought a search warrant
Speaker 1: for Richard Allen's house, yet never shared that information with
Speaker 1: Judge Diner. So west Fall provided a very weak alibi
Speaker 1: as to his whereabouts on the same date, February thirteenth.
Speaker 1: He told law enforcement that he was at home the
Speaker 1: afternoon of Monday, February thirteenth, twenty seventeen. And the defense
Speaker 1: is unaware of any search warrant that Lyget sought to
Speaker 1: enter west Falls house, or whether Unified Command instructed law
Speaker 1: enforcement to knock on a single neighbor's door to verify
Speaker 1: west Falls alibi. What's that?
Speaker 4: I was just showing a collection of books that I
Speaker 4: think that people would enjoy. It's an eighth book, a
Speaker 4: book set, box set and legends, and it's from all
Speaker 4: the from Greek, Roman, Japanese, North Indiana, Indian myths, Egyptians,
Speaker 4: Celtic and Chinese myths. But what's important in here is
Speaker 4: what you're talking about a lot of this stuff I
Speaker 4: learned from just reading this one right here.
Speaker 1: And it's a very simple book, very very very simple book.
Speaker 1: Norse Myths.
Speaker 2: I've seen those books. I haven't seen them actually in
Speaker 2: the whole set, but i've seen one of them.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I got two different sets of theies, but
Speaker 4: this one with the Norse Mythology one was in this
Speaker 4: box set. But yeah, it's a lot in there, and
Speaker 4: they show the correlations and similarities between them all.
Speaker 1: So, and I'll actually be going over this on my
Speaker 1: YouTube because I have a series on my YouTube. What
Speaker 1: I've learned from reading this book.
Speaker 4: What I like to do is I like to put
Speaker 4: little tabs on stuff that I found interesting in each book.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a lot.
Speaker 4: It's amazing about a lot of the stuff that you're
Speaker 4: talking about because you can definitely find some of it
Speaker 4: right in here. And that's why it got me interested
Speaker 4: when Nick Nick talked about you being on the show
Speaker 4: for this, because a lot of people don't really understand
Speaker 4: and realize that everything is through symbolism. Everything we do
Speaker 4: is through symbolism, right, and when we get that symbolism,
Speaker 4: it's only interpreted to the people who understand and know it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, No, I think that you're absolutely right as far
Speaker 1: as that's concerned. It's because, like essentially, the initiated, right,
Speaker 1: the vanguards of the secret knowledge are are the only
Speaker 1: individuals who will acknowledge and be aware of that symbolic factor.
Speaker 1: But hey, do you guys mind if I go pee
Speaker 1: you real quick and then I'll be right back. I'll
Speaker 1: finish this thing off, And do you mind, I just
Speaker 1: want to go ahead, Okay, I appreciate it, and then
Speaker 1: we'll finish off the villainder gang in this sort of
Speaker 1: rush Field Adelphi connection, which I think that in itself
Speaker 1: brings us to really just the minor details surrounding the
Speaker 1: obvious Oden Nite correctional officers who were abusing Richard Allen
Speaker 1: and basically the FBI. I think the most important part
Speaker 1: of it is what happened to the task force who
Speaker 1: who were solely tasked with the purpose of investigating the
Speaker 1: Oden Knight and Odinism signatures of the crime scene. Because
Speaker 1: what happens to those three individuals, I think provides the
Speaker 1: red flags and smoking gun necessary to kind of see
Speaker 1: through this event and pierce through that veil and understand
Speaker 1: that this was deliberately covered up in order to kind
Speaker 1: of deflect away from the unfortunate reality that there are
Speaker 1: members of affiliated members of this neo pagan organization or
Speaker 1: groups within the framework or umbrella in the Indiana area
Speaker 1: who have infiltrated the not only the prison system, but
Speaker 1: I mean we're talking the local authorities are entirely compromised
Speaker 1: and at the very least doing uh, you know, the
Speaker 1: deflection and the cover up and right in and uh
Speaker 1: and so that I think is more important than anything
Speaker 1: because you realize that this is the reason why Richard
Speaker 1: Allen has been given the maximum sentence and was never
Speaker 1: even kind of given a chance at pursuing justice in
Speaker 1: any real, uh you know, legitimate way. And and and
Speaker 1: that was all I mean that tends to happen whenever
Speaker 1: it's a wider network, right, And that's what I view
Speaker 1: as like this kind of implicates a wider network who
Speaker 1: practices this sort of you know, unfortunate ritualistic blood sacrifice,
Speaker 1: but that legitimately draws in the the unfortunate reality that, uh,
Speaker 1: it doesn't only involve animal animal sacrifice, right, which which
Speaker 1: and I've even had it explained. I think it was
Speaker 1: JJ that explained to me basically because I was wondering
Speaker 1: why German shepherds in the context of the Son of
Speaker 1: Sam in the processed church, Like, what is happening? Why
Speaker 1: are they sacrifice icing mass graves of German shepherd dogs
Speaker 1: at at you know, under Meyer Park near the Devil's
Speaker 1: Cave where they're where they're holding these satanic blood rituals
Speaker 1: and and and given like security detail by the local
Speaker 1: uh you know motorcycle gang, right, which is basically which
Speaker 1: I found interesting. You have members of like biker gangs
Speaker 1: who are coming out after they get a murder wrap
Speaker 1: and telling uh, you know, detectives that yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: we ran security for blood rituals and unter Meyer Park
Speaker 1: and and we would you know, deflect away from anyone
Speaker 1: who is attempting to come in that wasn't initiated at
Speaker 1: the times that they were holding those those ritual uh
Speaker 1: you know, ceremonies. So fascinating because to me what JJ
Speaker 1: said was basically that, and this is another they're like
Speaker 1: they're German shepherds are utilized as like uh, they call
Speaker 1: them like corpse dogs, right. I think something like that
Speaker 1: and and they take there are like groups that will
Speaker 1: train these dogs into into how they can and essentially
Speaker 1: go into these areas after a natural disaster and search
Speaker 1: for corpses and identify corpses and things of that nature.
Speaker 1: They're like the highest level of breed of dogs that
Speaker 1: are capable of doing this. And there are strange people
Speaker 1: all over the country that apparently breed and train these
Speaker 1: dogs and then for that sole purpose and take them
Speaker 1: around to these interesting cases and murder of murder cases,
Speaker 1: missing persons, stuff like that. But the whole point was
Speaker 1: that is the intelligence of the German shepherd, right that
Speaker 1: it almost is the It was the closest you could get,
Speaker 1: essentially to sacrificing a human being, basically the closest you
Speaker 1: could get to the human intellect. And so that in
Speaker 1: itself I found to be very interesting that was actually
Speaker 1: the case. You know, it wasn't just you know, I would.
Speaker 3: That I'm sorry, let me interject. I would argue that
Speaker 3: the melanoy is much more intelligent than the shepherd. I'm
Speaker 3: not saying one or the other, but kind of why
Speaker 3: intelligence agencies has over to the melanoi. But for the
Speaker 3: German shepherd, it is patriotic to the German country and
Speaker 3: German patriarchy. If you look at how the German breed
Speaker 3: came to be, it tells you everything. This is why
Speaker 3: the German shepherd is used by Nazism, because it is
Speaker 3: the the quintessential breed of the German. And even when
Speaker 3: they call uh the German shepherd, Alis says, I think
Speaker 3: the name is escaping me.
Speaker 7: It is the name that was given to the adjacent
Speaker 7: country of Germany to evade being called German during World
Speaker 7: War Two because they didn't want the I guess the stigma.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we look into the breed. If you look into.
Speaker 3: Actually the people who bred them, some of you know,
Speaker 3: these high ranking people, especially in New York, they German
Speaker 3: patriot at so interesting.
Speaker 1: Okay, that makes a lot of sense too, Yeah, definitely,
Speaker 1: and that that would make a lot of sense why
Speaker 1: there's so much Nazi Nazism symbolic, you know, as far
Speaker 1: as like symbolically layered throughout many of the cult organizations,
Speaker 1: like the Process, right, I mean they had like a
Speaker 1: broken skull open with the blood draining out, was just
Speaker 1: like a dark shadows marching in lockstep, goose stepping like
Speaker 1: you know that with the essentially a swastika. Yeah, it
Speaker 1: was like entirely you know, Nazi symbolism, you know. But
Speaker 1: but yeah, it's very strange. But yeah, I should go
Speaker 1: take a pick.
Speaker 3: From Alsations with their blazer, close your words, look into
Speaker 3: the darkness.
Speaker 1: Far the blazing, short.
Speaker 2: Focus.
Speaker 1: It would be called the eclipse. Sure that you?
Speaker 4: Sure be? Do you?
Speaker 3: The shop
Speaker 2: Girl