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And again, thank you so much for your support. Again,

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I want to just point out the just the vision,

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the image of Elon Musk and Donald Trump at the

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Oval Office, Trump sitting behind the resolute desk, Elon standing

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you know, to Trump's right, but to the left of

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the screen because we're looking at them. So Elon's standing

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there and he's got his little kid who's like, I

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don't know, three years old or something, who's very well behaved.

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I mean, yeah, I know he kind of you know,

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he was acting like a so he's kind of walking

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around and then he wants to get held picked up.

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Elon puts him on his shoulders, and the kids like,

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you know, messing with his dad's hat and his hair

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and all this. But by and large a well behaved

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kid like I at that age, I probably would have

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been just like running around grabbing all of the sharpies

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off of Trump's desk or something. And Trump didn't seem

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to mind. And they seem to get along. And by

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the way, that's the other image that comes across in

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this media availability at the Oval Office yesterday afternoon, is

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that these two guys do not hate each other. They're

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not vying for supremacy, alpha dog status and all of that.

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They seem to both understand the mission, right. The mission

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is to root out all of this waste and fraud

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into abuse and the stories that Musk brought had they

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been broken, and you can still, by the way legacy

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outlet people, reporters, you can still go and investigate this stuff.

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So that's going to be one of the nice benefits

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is when the day when the information comes out, when

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this data is produced, you're going to be able to

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track this stuff too, and you're going to be able

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to do this kind of investigative journalism and you're going

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to be able then to affect change, which is what

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gets you the awards. That's how you win awards. That's

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the model. Right, reporter uncovers something they then rush to

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the government and they're like, what are you going to

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do about it? And some lawmakers like, oh my gosh,

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this is terrible. I'm going to do something about it.

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And then they file a bill doing something about this thing,

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and then it passes, and then the media, you know,

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pats itself on the back, and then they submit that

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for awards material and then they win awards for it

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because they did something that you know, affected change. You

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can do this with all of these grants, all of

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these programs and stuff. You can go out and find

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the corruption and save American taxpayers billions of dollars. You

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can help in this fight. You can do it. This

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is a good thing to do. This is a necessary

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thing to do. So listen to Musk here. He says

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that at a high level, and this is another brilliant move. Here,

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they're taking back the word democracy because the left has

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been using this as sort of a catch all for

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everything anti Trump. Right, Trump is a threat to the democracy.

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Democracy dies in darkness, like all of this catastrophizing about

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the democracy and Trump or sorry. Musk distills this down

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and how it relates to the task at hand. The

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purpose of their mission is to in fact, restore democracy.

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Speaker 3: If there's not a good feedback loop from the people

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to the government, and if you have rule of the bureaucrat,

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if the bureaucracy is in charge, and then what meaning

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does democracy actually have. If the people cannot vote and

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have there will be decided by their elected representatives in

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the form of the President and the Senate in the House,

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then we don't live in a democracy.

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Speaker 1: We live in a bureaucracy.

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Speaker 3: So it's incredibly important that we close that feedback we

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fix that feedback group, and that the public, the public's

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elected representatives, the President of the House and the Senate,

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decide what happens as opposed to a large unelected bureaucracy.

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This is not to say that there aren't some good

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But you can't have an autonomous federal bureaucracy. You have

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to have one that's responsive to the people. That's the

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whole point of a democracy.

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Speaker 2: Yes, precisely, that's the point. If you can't ever change

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this Leviathan, then you really don't have a voice in

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the governing of your country. And so when somebody runs

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on a platform and promises that they are going to

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root out the deep state, the bureaucratic managerial class. They

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are going to find the waste, fraud, and abuse. They're

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going to act as your retribution. They're going to find savings,

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so you keep more of your money. That will increase

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economic productivity. It will put more or let you keep

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more money in your pocket. That generates more economic activity,

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and you are more free. We are all more free.

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That's what people voted for. And I know the left

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doesn't understand this because they think that everybody that voted

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for Trump is just a fascist. See, this is the

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problem when you think in just this narrow way about

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all these other people and why they voted. When you

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make these assumptions and then you blind yourself to reality, failure,

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right is when reality and your wishes meet. Okay, and

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your wishes are not based in reality. Like you may

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try to fool the markets for so long, but you

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don't fool them forever because the market is us. He says.

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We have a fourth branch, an unelected, unconstitutional branch of

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government that has more power now than really any elected representative.

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And this is not in line with the will of

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the people. The other part of it is the truth

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the two trillion dollar deficit.

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Speaker 3: If we don't do something about this deficit, country's going bankrupt.

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I mean, it's it's really astounding that the uh, the

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interest payments alone on national debt exceed the defense de

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public budget, which is shocking because we've got a lot

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of we spend a lot of money on offense. But

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and if that just keeps going, we're essentially going to

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bankrupt the country. So what earlier to say is like,

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it's not optional for us to reduce the federal expenses.

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Speaker 1: It's essential.

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Speaker 3: It's essential for America to remain solvent as a country,

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and it's essential for America to have the resources necessarily

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to provide things to its citizens and not simply be

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servicing vast amounts of debt.

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 2: The problem is that that's what gets you elected. See,

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so the people running for office, they make all of

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the promises, I'm going to do this, I'm gonna do that,

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I'm going to do this, I'm going to do that,

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and then people vote so they can get something out

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of the treasury. The same sort of stuff happens at

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every level of government, all the way down to Hoa's,

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and people don't want to pay for the things that

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you have to pay for, and they want you know,

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I don't want to pay any money. I don't want

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to pay assessments, high assessments. And then you don't do

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any of the maintenance, and then stuff starts falling down,

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and then oh lo and behold, we don't have any

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money to fix everything, and now you're bankrupt and your

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home values crater. Like this is all predictable. People on

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the right have been talking about this looming catastrophe of

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the debt for my entire life, longer than my entire life,

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aside from the one brief period under Bill Clinton with

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a Republican Congress where they balance the budget and I

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would submit it wasn't even really balanced because it doesn't

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address the unfunded liabilities in the out years of Social

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Security and Medicare obligations. But at least it was like

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revenue meeting expenses. And now we have borrowed so much money,

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as he just said, the interest to service the debt

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is more than we spend on the military, which like

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eight hundred billion dollars. That is insane. That will bankrupt us.

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And you know what happens overnight if we are no

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longer the world's reserve currency. Because we're now no longer

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a stable currency. Your standard of living will be cut

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in half overnight because nobody's going to be using the

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dollar for everything. It's not going to be the currency

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of the globe. And then you end up with other

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countries or maybe the UN trying to do its own currency,

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and they will do the exact same thing. They will

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inflate it by making promises, printing debt and then running

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more and more deficits, and then everything crashes like this

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is not fiscally sound. It has to get fixed, And besides,

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isn't this the best way to fix it? To root

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this stuff out, find the savings, and then you don't

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have to worry about Medicaid, Medicare, social security being touched. Right,

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all right, I hope you had a happy holiday season.

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Your family and friends are gab it around, Maybe y'all

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are in the living room, you're laughing, swapping stories, reminiscing,

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and then somebody says, hey, Dad, remember those old VHS tapes?

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Did you ever get them transferred? And then the room

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gets all quiet. All eyes are on Dad, who says, Oh,

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you know, well, I've been meaning to, but I just

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Donald Trump in the Oval Office talking about what DOGE

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is doing, and Trump said, some of the things that

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they have found so far in their investigation has been shocking,

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to say the.

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Speaker 4: Least billions and billions of dollars in waste, fraud, and abuse.

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And I think it's very important, and that's one of

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the reasons I got elected I said.

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Speaker 1: We're going to do that.

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Speaker 4: Nobody had any idea it was that bad, that's sick,

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and that corrupt. And it seems hard to believe that

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judges want to try and stop us from looking for corruption,

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especially when we found hundreds of millions of dollars worth

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much more than that.

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Speaker 1: In just a short period of time.

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Speaker 4: We want to weed out the corruption, and it seems

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hard to believe that a judge could say, we don't

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want you to do that. Well, so maybe we have

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to look at the judges because it's very serious. I

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think it's a very serious violation.

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Speaker 2: And Trump kept coming back to this line of attack.

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He kept referencing the court rulings that have been trying

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to stop Doge and his administration from doing what I

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think it's pretty clear they are empowered to do. He

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is the leader of the executive branch, and these courts

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seem to be saying, you can't look at this stuff

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even though it's inside the executive branch. And if the

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chief executive can't do that, then what are you saying

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about the power of that bureaucratic branch, this fourth branch

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of government, that they're unaccountable, they can do whatever they want.

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That's nuts. Musk highlighted then deficiencies, specifically in the Treasury

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Department accounting process.

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Speaker 3: Basic controls that should be in place that are in

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place in any company, such as making sure that any

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given payment has a payment categorization code, that there is

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a comment field that describes the payment. If a payment

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is on the do not pay list, that you don't

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actually pay it.

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Speaker 1: What None of those things are true currently.

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Speaker 3: So the reason that departments can't pass ordits is because

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the payments don't have a categorization code. It's like just

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a massive number of blank checks just flying out the building.

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So you can't reconcile blank checks. You've got comment fields

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that are also blanks. You don't know why the payment

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is made. And then we've got this a trillly episode.

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A do not pay list, which can take up to

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a year before an organization to get on a do

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not pay list, and this we're talking about terrorist organizations.

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Speaker 1: We're talking about known.

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Speaker 3: Fraudsters, known aspects of waste, known things that do not

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match any congressional appropriation. Can take up to a year

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to get on the list, and even once it's on

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the list, the list is not used it's mind blowing.

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So what we're talking about here, we're really just talking

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about adding common sense controls that should be present.

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Speaker 1: That haven't been present.

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Speaker 2: It doesn't make any sense unless it's intentional, Right, Like,

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how do you not adhere to basic accounting principles? You're

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the Treasury Department. You deal with the money. The irs

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is under you. Guys, they go after people for not

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doing proper accounting. Businesses and individuals face criminal penalties if

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they don't do this stuff correctly. And you guys aren't

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even coding things so you know how to track spending.

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And he says, this is why departments can't pass audits.

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They can't even pass an audit. I don't even have

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a high opinion of audits. Most audits don't even catch

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a lot of fraud. They don't. I mean, when I

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was up in Asheville, the Bunkham County government was passing

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all of its audits every single year. Meanwhile the county

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manager was siphoning off millions of dollars in corruption. So

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like that's I don't like, that's a minimum. You can't

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even pass an audit, but you don't even do the

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data collection and the entry on the front end in

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order to attempt to pass an audit. It's craziness, Musk said.

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The stuff that they are finding is so basic that

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you can't believe it doesn't even exist already. This is

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a guy that comes out of the business world and

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he looks at this stuff and it's like, what are

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you doing? How has this been able to go on

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for so long? You cannot audit If you can't trace

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the payments, you don't know what you're spending the money on.

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So how did it happen? Well, he has an explanation

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for that too. All right, if you're listening to this show,

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At the press availability yesterday, Elon Musk talked about the

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Treasury Department's failure to do basic accounting mechanisms so they

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can follow where the money is going. So basic, he says,

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you can't believe that these systems don't already exist, and

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then he explains how this happens and why it happens.

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Speaker 3: Really, everything is scared towards complaint minimization, so that then

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you understand the motivations.

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Speaker 1: So if people receive.

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Speaker 3: Money, they don't complain, obviously, but if people don't receive money,

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they do complain. And the fraust has complained the loudest

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and of the fastest, so then when you understand that,

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then it makes sense. Oh, that's why everything just they

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prove all the payments at Treasury, because if you approve

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all the payments, you don't you don't get complaints. But

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now we're saying that, no, actually we are going to

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complain if money is spent badly, If your taxpayer dollars

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are not spent in a sensible approval, then that's not okay.

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Speaker 1: Your tax dollars need to be spent wisely.

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Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, he said. This is not draconian, this

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is not radical. It's common sense, and it is he

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is exactly right, Like, why wouldn't you want to root

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out this kind of fraud? Why wouldn't you want to know?

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He pointed out that there are also people listed in

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the social Security system as being one hundred and fifty

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years old, not.

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Speaker 3: You know, anyone's one hundred and fifty I don't, Okay,

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they should be on the Guinness Booker World records.

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Speaker 1: They're messing out, so you know that's the case, where

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like I think they're probably dead, that's my guess, or

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they should be very famous. One of the two.

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Speaker 3: And then that a whole bunch of social ccurity payments

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with is no identifying identifying information? Well, why is there

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no identifying information? Obviously we want to make we want

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to make sure the people who deserve to receive Social

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Security do receive it, and that receive it quickly and accurately.

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Speaker 2: Social Security payments without any identifying information. I still don't

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even understand how that happens. What does that mean? Is

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there a name on the check? It's getting mailed to

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an address, but there's no record of the person. I like,

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I don't even understand that. And then this is I

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think the craziest thing. We are storing retirement paperwork for

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federal employees in a mine, an actual limestone mine in

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a mountain.

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Speaker 3: The most number of people that could retire, possibly in

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a month, is ten thousand.

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Speaker 1: We're like, well why is that? Well, because.

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Speaker 3: Time at paperwork is manual on paper, It's manually calculated,

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that written down on a piece of paper. Then it

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goes down to mine and like, what do you mean

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a mine? Like, yeah, there's a limestone mine where we

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store all the retirement paperwork that and you look a

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picture of a picture of this mine. We'll post the

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pictures afterwards, and this is this mine looks like something

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out of the fifties because it was started in nineteen

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fifty five, so it looks like.

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Speaker 1: It's like a time warp.

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Speaker 3: And then the speed, then the limiting factor is the

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speed at which the mine, the shaft elevator can move,

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determines how many people can retire from the federal from

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the federal government, and the elevator breaks down and sometimes

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and then you can't nobody can retire.

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Speaker 1: It doesn't that sound crazy? Yeah, there's a thousand people

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that work on this.

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Speaker 2: There are a thousand people. There's a thousand people that

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work on just federal employees retiring, and they have to

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calculate it all of their retirement benefits by hand. And

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I heard this morning from a former federal employee. They

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say it takes like four to six months. They calculate

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it by hand. And you know that's not going to

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go well because eventually nobody's going to be alive that

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knows how to do any math anymore, and so like,

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I don't even know what we're going to do at

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that point. They then put the documents in a Manila

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envelope and then they have to transport them down a

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mining elevator for storage and they put pictures out. I've

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seen the pictures. It's I mean, it's pretty cool. It

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looks like a villain's layer from a Bond movie, except

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like with paperwork, you just like rows and rows and

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racks of boxes filled with all of these envelopes of

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all the federal retirees. I don't know if any of

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them are one hundred and fifty years old. But the

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limiting factor, he says, is the speed of the elevator.

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It just takes so long to ride the elevator down

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for you to drop off the paperwork in the storage

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facility or something. And so that's that's why you can't

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have Because they he said, they encountered this problem and

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they learned about the mine when they were offering early retirement. Hey,

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why don't we just get a whole bunch of people

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to early retire and that'll help cut the workforce down.

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And they were told, oh, you can't do that because

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we're limited to only ten thousand people a month. Because

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that's the speed of the elevator. That's what Who designed this?

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Why did we build this? I mean, I guess it's

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in the mine or it's in a mountain, in a mine. Shift.

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So I guess like at the time, it was a

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good idea, like this is going to be really secure.

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You're gonna have to run down a mine elevator to

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get down there. But my gosh, Like, you guys know

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there are computers. I know they're fairly recent inventions, but

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holy Toledo, how about we use some of these super

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smart computers to do this stuff? Right? Like I'm I'm

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upset when I can't get a W two send to

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my email and I can download it, you know, Like,

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and you guys got to wait six months for your

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retirement to kick in because it takes an elevator shaft

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that long to run. It's just insane. This is insane.

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Why are we doing this Because that's the way it's

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always been done, he said. Having people do anything else,

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like really, like almost literally anything else in the society

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rather than running Manila envelopes down a mind shaft would

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be more productive and that would add to the prosperity

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of the entire country.

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Speaker 3: Like at a high level, if you could say, like

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how do we increase prosperity is get people to do

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to shift from roles that are low to negative productivity

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to high productivity. Roles and so increase the total output

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of goods and services, which means that there's.

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Speaker 1: A higher standard of living available for everyone. That's the

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actual goal.

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Speaker 2: That's the goal. Why are you fighting me on this?

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Do you disagree that that is a worthy goal? Well,

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let's talk about why you don't want Americans to be

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more prosperous, Like why don't we all just start with

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something like, hey, guys, how about we make a faster elevator,

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Like could we unify around that? Like start small baby

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steps here, Democrats, let's have a faster elevator down the

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mine shaft for the filing of the retirement documents. H

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I'm all about solutions here. I'm just trying to bring

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themselves and their communist agenda. This explains the ad infinitum

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Satan in the movie The Devil's Advocate who plans to

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that's Cloward and Piven, pure evil and criminal. Usaid spending

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at a time of unprecedented budget deficits is corruption at

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the highest levels. John, Yeah, John is not impressed with

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the what was there name? Melanie Stansbury a Democrat from

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New Mexico, shrill and constantly using the words literally and actually,

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couldn't abolished speaker be used. Now she's the ranking member.

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She was the best they had to offer, which is

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kind of said. Dennis says, it appears that the Democrats,

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in their drive through media's code phrase for the week

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is constitutional crisis. Indeed, go back and listen to the

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podcast of either Monday or Tuesday show. Yes, this is

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the narrative they're going with. It's no longer the democracy,

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it's constitutional crisis. He says. I would suggest that the

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best example to define constitutional crisis is to turn back

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the pages of the last four years. John says, let

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me do the math here. There's a thousand people working

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at the Federal Retirement Center. In that mine, only ten

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thousand people can retire per month, and that means each person,

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each employee doing the processing, is processing ten retirement packages

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per month, which is two point two five packages a

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week per person. Well, you know there, they're probably all

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working from home, and they're doing it by hand. They're

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manually calculating the retirement benefits. So I guess that could

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be a two week or a three day process per package.

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I mean that's each package then takes you like twenty

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hours or eighteen hours, let's say, per week per person.

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Are we hiring the best math people for this gig?

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I don't know. Or maybe we should hire people with

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stronger backs so they can haul more of the envelopes

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down the elevator. No, he says, it's the speed of

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the elevator. And there was a reporter who asked Musk

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whether or not this is a hostile takeover.

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Speaker 1: Your detractors, mister Musk, after what including a lot of Democrats,

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I have detractors.

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Speaker 4: I don't believe it, say that you're orchestrating a hostile

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takeover of government and doing it in a non transparent way.

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Speaker 1: What's your response to that criticism.

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Speaker 3: Well, first of all, you couldn't ask for a struggle

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mandate from the public.

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Speaker 1: The public voted.

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Speaker 3: Uh, you know, we do have a majority of the

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public vote voting for President Trump.

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Speaker 1: We've won the House, who won the Senate.

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Speaker 3: The people voted for major govement reform. There should be

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no doubt about that. That was on the campaign. The

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President spoke about that at every rally. The people voted

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for major government reform. And that's what people are going

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to get. They're going to get what they voted for.

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And and a lot of times that you know people

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that don't get what they voted for, but in this presidency,

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they are going to get what they're voted for.

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Speaker 1: And that's what democracy is all about.

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Speaker 2: Show me what demokrase looks like, right, isn't this what

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all of the protesters in the streets have been demanding.

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This is actual responsiveness. This is why it's such a

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foreign thing to see. We don't understand. We wait, we

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voted for you based on these promises. Now you're doing it.

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I'm so confused. Email from greg. He says a friend

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of mine helped the State of Florida DOT with their

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accounts payable. He spent six months creating a system. After testing, training,

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and implementing the system, the head of the DOT told him,

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we are not going to use the system because it

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ties our hands in writing checks. Yeah, that is not

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That's not surprising, right. They want a free hand to

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do what they want to do, and if that doesn't

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align with the priorities of the voters, will pound sand

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voters take a hike scram Michael Schellenberger a journalist, independent journalist,

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author of the book San Francisco, San Francico. He says

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The New York Times says that Elon Musk asserts without

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proof that bureaucracy is rife with fraud. Without proof, okay.

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Schollenberger points out that the GAO under Joe Biden General

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Accounting author or Government Accounting Office under Biden estimated last

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year that we are losing somewhere between two hundred and

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thirty three billion all the way to five hundred and

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twenty one billion every year to fraud, up to half

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a trillion dollars in fraud every year. In the GAO report,

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under Joe Biden. This is not Elon Musk asserting quote

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without proof. All right, that'll do it for this episode.

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