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<v Speaker 1>You can, of course, hear Ryan on another station only

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<v Speaker 1>after my show is over.

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<v Speaker 2>Of course I call it the Mandy Connell postgame Show.

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<v Speaker 2>There you go. That's perfect, which you actually listened to

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<v Speaker 2>on occasion, I guess I can by you, yes, So

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<v Speaker 2>I really appreciate that.

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<v Speaker 1>He's around six point thirty k how and I highly

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<v Speaker 1>recommend a very entertaining program.

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<v Speaker 2>Now you can catch my first hour on the podcast,

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<v Speaker 2>because you've got to listen to Mandy's third hour live.

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<v Speaker 3>And this is why Ryan is the best.

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<v Speaker 1>He understands how the game is played right here, you

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<v Speaker 1>know what I mean.

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<v Speaker 3>Let's talk about how.

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<v Speaker 1>The game was played in Michigan because we here, and

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<v Speaker 1>I know you've talked about this on your program as well.

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<v Speaker 1>The de bracle of the Colorado Republican Party where we

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<v Speaker 1>now have. I, by the way, officially recognized Eli Brammer

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<v Speaker 1>yesterday as the chairman of the GOP, much like the

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<v Speaker 1>UN recognizes a country. So I have recognized him, so

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<v Speaker 1>there is no question, okay that he is the chairman

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<v Speaker 1>of the GOP now. But unfortunately the old chair, the grifter,

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<v Speaker 1>Dave Williams, is clinging to power like Norma Desmond cling

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<v Speaker 1>to start him in Sunset Boulevard. I like that reference,

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<v Speaker 1>and he's not going anywhere. What it's going to take

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<v Speaker 1>is somebody's gonna have to tell him to leave. And

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<v Speaker 1>this is why I'm bringing Ryan in because this exact

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<v Speaker 1>same thing just happened in Michigan.

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<v Speaker 2>Almost it's uncanny, Mandy, the parallels between the Republican Party

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<v Speaker 2>and Colorado here in my home state of Michigan, and

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<v Speaker 2>it's not that surprising to find out that both parties

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<v Speaker 2>are struggling immensely. Michigan is a purple state, a lot

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<v Speaker 2>more purple than I would say Colorado is now, which

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<v Speaker 2>is essentially blue, but it leans blue, and it's always

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<v Speaker 2>leaned blue that in my lifetime that I can remember

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<v Speaker 2>the Union guys, a lot of Union, a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>University Michigan, Michigan State, central Western Eastern. You have a

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<v Speaker 2>strong Detroit populace that is pretty safely blue. And that's

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<v Speaker 2>what really flips Michigan from Trump in twenty sixteen to

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<v Speaker 2>Biden in twenty twenty. Biden also had that appeal like

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<v Speaker 2>you're talking about with the UAW workers in Macomb County specifically,

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<v Speaker 2>but it's leadership, it's a top down process and the

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<v Speaker 2>old saying is a fish rots from the head down right,

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<v Speaker 2>And Dave Williams has taken this party in Colorado, and

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<v Speaker 2>I believed, in some ways kind of intentionally driven it

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<v Speaker 2>off the cliff.

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<v Speaker 3>I said to a.

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<v Speaker 1>Friend I was having a conversation with him, like, could

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<v Speaker 1>he be a Democrat plant? That's what I was endering

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<v Speaker 1>because genuinely, and I'm not seriously saying this as a

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<v Speaker 1>conspiracy theory, but if you were the Democrats and you

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to destroy the Republican Party, could you come up

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<v Speaker 1>with a better prototype on how to do that then

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<v Speaker 1>to get Dave Williams installed.

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<v Speaker 3>As the chairman.

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<v Speaker 2>Another way to ask that question that I've done on

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<v Speaker 2>my show and with you, I think, is if you

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<v Speaker 2>were trying to undermine and destroy the Republican Party from within,

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<v Speaker 2>what would you do differently than anything Dave Williams was

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<v Speaker 2>on to this point, correct, because what we saw, Mandy,

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<v Speaker 2>you saw personally at the Republican National Convention in Milwaukee

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<v Speaker 2>was tremendous unity. I talked to Heidi Ganal who was

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<v Speaker 2>there too, and it even efforvest to the Republican Party.

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<v Speaker 2>Of those that were in attended, it's from Colorado here,

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<v Speaker 2>including yourself in Heidi Ganal. But the leadership seems hell

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<v Speaker 2>bent on just you know, driving headlong into the fire,

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<v Speaker 2>no matter, you know, damn the torpedoes and if we lose,

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<v Speaker 2>so what well, No, the name of the game is winning.

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<v Speaker 2>It doesn't mean you compromise values. But in Michigan, what

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<v Speaker 2>we've seen is this cartoonish kind of caricature of trump Ism.

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<v Speaker 2>And people think they know Trump is I think better

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<v Speaker 2>than Donald Trump himself because they try to apply these

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<v Speaker 2>litmus tests. Now we're a purity test of well, you're

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<v Speaker 2>not Trump. You know Donald Trump would not pass yours

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<v Speaker 2>test correct.

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<v Speaker 3>And that's exactly what Dave Williams did here.

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<v Speaker 2>And Christina Caramo is the name you want to keep

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<v Speaker 2>an ear out for in Michigan because she's Dave Williams

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<v Speaker 2>and carnate nice. I like that, but she was the

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<v Speaker 2>same thing. It's like this very narrow cabal of leadership.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a battle of attrition. It's a battle of subtraction

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<v Speaker 2>rather than addition. That's that's really where I drew the line.

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<v Speaker 2>As you and I both are very strong supporters of

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<v Speaker 2>the log Cabin Republicans here in Colorado. I think They're

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<v Speaker 2>a key group. Valtimore Archillette is a tremendous voice as

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<v Speaker 2>the president. And to send out such a defamatory and

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<v Speaker 2>inflammatory and hateful etmail, to what purpose does that serve?

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<v Speaker 2>To what point are you trying to prove? Now?

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<v Speaker 3>Are you trying to bring to the party with that?

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<v Speaker 2>You're not. You're trying to kick people out. So how

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<v Speaker 2>do you plan to win elections that way? Yet you're not,

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<v Speaker 2>You're not so in Michigan, Christina Caromel similarly felt like

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<v Speaker 2>she had her eyes on the prize, her fingers on

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<v Speaker 2>the pulse of trump Ism and what it means. We

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<v Speaker 2>got to go ultra right maga in Michigan. I'm telling

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<v Speaker 2>you the history of Republicans in Michigan who win, who

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<v Speaker 2>win like John Angler, like Snyder Rick Snyder who both

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<v Speaker 2>served English served three terms before they narrow that to

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<v Speaker 2>a two term limit. Jennifer Granhold the Democrat, followed then

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<v Speaker 2>Rick Snyder. Michigan's gone back and forth a bit. But

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<v Speaker 2>the types of Republicans who win in Michigan are not

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<v Speaker 2>very trumpy. They're not not super duper far right Republican conservative.

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<v Speaker 2>It's kind of a it's a delicate balance, it's a

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<v Speaker 2>narrow path to walk. Mike Rogers, who's running for Senate

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<v Speaker 2>this year, he can win, but again you got to

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<v Speaker 2>thread a needle in Michigan to win as a Republican.

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<v Speaker 2>And Caramo they were practically bankrupt. This is another thing

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<v Speaker 2>that famous sharing in common with Dave Williamstern and Colorado.

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<v Speaker 2>They were raising money and Pete Hookster comes in. Now

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<v Speaker 2>there's this separation and it happens here too, between the

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<v Speaker 2>grassroots so called movement and the established kind of people

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<v Speaker 2>will call them rhinos or whatever, but the rhinos win

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<v Speaker 2>in Michigan. I got to say it just flatly. And

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<v Speaker 2>so Hookster comes in. He's not very well liked at

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<v Speaker 2>all by the grassroots. They're booing him at this assembly.

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<v Speaker 2>And Caramo comes in kind of in a stealth manner.

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<v Speaker 2>She's already been booted the Republican National Congression.

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<v Speaker 1>How would she actually get booted because she did the

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<v Speaker 1>party membership call a meeting like they did here.

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<v Speaker 3>What was that pros fame exact.

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<v Speaker 2>Thing, same thing, and she was voted out and same

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<v Speaker 2>thing as Dave Williams. She was like, no, I'm not leaving,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not leaving. She's doing the whole Wolflall Street thing. Yeah, exactly, No,

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<v Speaker 2>you got to leave. And so the National Party had

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<v Speaker 2>to come in and say, no, you are leaving. This

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<v Speaker 2>is what's been decided. This is who we are recognizing.

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<v Speaker 2>We've already seen a little bit of that from the

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<v Speaker 2>NRCC here in Colorado with regard to Eli Bremmer and

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<v Speaker 2>then Hookstra. He takes control of the gabble, he's running

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<v Speaker 2>these meetings, he's running this assembly and she sneaks in

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<v Speaker 2>ostensibly to endorse this other candidate. Sure, okay, we know

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<v Speaker 2>why you're there. So they asked her to leave, She

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't want to leave. It turns into a scene. The

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<v Speaker 2>police escort her out of the buildings.

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<v Speaker 3>They did.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, this is the state of things in the

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<v Speaker 2>Michigan Republican Party, and again we can really relate to

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<v Speaker 2>it here in Colorado.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just wondering how quickly the RNC is going to act,

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<v Speaker 1>because if the NRCC has already recognized the change and

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<v Speaker 1>is recognizing as I have, Eli Bremmer is the rightful

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<v Speaker 1>chair of the Republican Party in Colorado, they need to

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<v Speaker 1>do it like today, right, it needs to happen sooner

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<v Speaker 1>rather than later. The writing is on the wall. Dave

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<v Speaker 1>Williams is on his way out. I don't care how

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<v Speaker 1>hard his little fingernails dig in. He's on his way out.

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<v Speaker 1>He will not be saved by some asinine meeting under

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<v Speaker 1>a bridge, or you know, any other meeting called. He's

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<v Speaker 1>just we have to move beyond this. And I'm excited

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<v Speaker 1>to see. I'm following Eli Bremmer on X and he's

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<v Speaker 1>already calling candidates, he's already calling donors. He's already doing

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<v Speaker 1>the things that Dave Williams never did.

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<v Speaker 2>He might have said this to you, and I know

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<v Speaker 2>he just said it to Dan Caplis, my cohort over

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<v Speaker 2>there on KHW, that he had reached out to say

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<v Speaker 2>Jeff Hurt, the third professional candidate in a very difficult

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<v Speaker 2>race against Adam.

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<v Speaker 3>Fish, a very well funded opponent.

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<v Speaker 2>And Eli said, when he reached out to Jeff Heerd,

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<v Speaker 2>that's the first time that the state Party had reached out.

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<v Speaker 3>Because the state Party under Dave Williams.

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<v Speaker 2>Endorsed Ron Hanks.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, honestly, the Ron Hanks, Tina Peters part of this

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<v Speaker 1>party needs to sit down and shut up, like just

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<v Speaker 1>sit I'm thinking about doing a musical about.

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<v Speaker 2>Teas I should I do you imagine?

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<v Speaker 3>I think that with Ai, I could write some big numbers,

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<v Speaker 3>like you know, like where.

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<v Speaker 1>She compares herself to Jesus. I mean, I think Tina

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<v Speaker 1>Peters the musical has legs. Yeah, So working on the

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<v Speaker 1>book now and then I'll get to the score. I

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<v Speaker 1>will definitely gets to help me. Well, there was heard

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<v Speaker 1>in the third at rhymes.

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<v Speaker 2>Then Gabe Evans, this is the one that really sets

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<v Speaker 2>me off. Here is this young, accomplished, just a stellar

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<v Speaker 2>candidate in the eighth Congressional a winnable district that Barb

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<v Speaker 2>Kirkmeyer very narrowly lost to Yudirik Caravel last time around,

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<v Speaker 2>the first time that this district has been in place

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<v Speaker 2>since we expanded after the census. And rather than the

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<v Speaker 2>the Republican Party, here Dave Williams the leadership getting behind

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<v Speaker 2>a solid Conservative and Gabe Williams, a guy who's a

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<v Speaker 2>military veteran oversees, who's a police veteran as well, who

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<v Speaker 2>has served in our General Assembly, has all this experience.

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<v Speaker 2>Sharp guy comes and he endorsed his opponent.

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<v Speaker 1>I saw Janet Josie at the World County Women's rumble

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<v Speaker 1>and uh.

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<v Speaker 2>Anyway, no, no, the broader point and this is where

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<v Speaker 2>I think everything turned for me because I'm okay, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>kind of keeping tabs up this. I tried to do

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<v Speaker 2>the Michael Corleone thing, right. I don't want to overreact.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't want to study Corleone. I don't want to

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<v Speaker 2>come in guns blast and I'm waiting. Then Lauren Bobert

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<v Speaker 2>came out with a statement, and that's when I want. Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>So I'm hopefully going to have some conversations with Lauren

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<v Speaker 2>about this and in the near future.

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<v Speaker 1>I understand she's already talking to Eli Bremmer and those conversations.

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<v Speaker 2>If Lauren Bobert, who is, in my opinion, the most

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<v Speaker 2>prominent member of our party in this state right now,

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<v Speaker 2>because Doug Lambourne's all the way out right, if she

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<v Speaker 2>throws her support behind Eli, that's it. It's it, It's over.

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<v Speaker 2>But what Dave Williams at that point, what are you doing?

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<v Speaker 2>What are you doing? Lauren Bolbert? Even who Dave Williams

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<v Speaker 2>did endorse, I think that was a matter of convenience.

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<v Speaker 2>But you know, if Lauren Bolbert is not on his side,

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<v Speaker 2>you know who that matters is that's what I I've.

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<v Speaker 3>Known you have left Sholing.

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<v Speaker 1>You can listen to a show right after this one

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<v Speaker 1>on six thirty kids. Thanks for having me, No, I

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<v Speaker 1>appreciate the insight because I think that's where we're headed.

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<v Speaker 1>The RNC has to recognize just like you, leadership and

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<v Speaker 1>just move on.

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<v Speaker 3>Time to move on, people,