Speaker 1: You can, of course, hear Ryan on another station only
Speaker 1: after my show is over.
Speaker 2: Of course I call it the Mandy Connell postgame Show.
Speaker 2: There you go. That's perfect, which you actually listened to
Speaker 2: on occasion, I guess I can by you, yes, So
Speaker 2: I really appreciate that.
Speaker 1: He's around six point thirty k how and I highly
Speaker 1: recommend a very entertaining program.
Speaker 2: Now you can catch my first hour on the podcast,
Speaker 2: because you've got to listen to Mandy's third hour live.
Speaker 3: And this is why Ryan is the best.
Speaker 1: He understands how the game is played right here, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean.
Speaker 3: Let's talk about how.
Speaker 1: The game was played in Michigan because we here, and
Speaker 1: I know you've talked about this on your program as well.
Speaker 1: The de bracle of the Colorado Republican Party where we
Speaker 1: now have. I, by the way, officially recognized Eli Brammer
Speaker 1: yesterday as the chairman of the GOP, much like the
Speaker 1: UN recognizes a country. So I have recognized him, so
Speaker 1: there is no question, okay that he is the chairman
Speaker 1: of the GOP now. But unfortunately the old chair, the grifter,
Speaker 1: Dave Williams, is clinging to power like Norma Desmond cling
Speaker 1: to start him in Sunset Boulevard. I like that reference,
Speaker 1: and he's not going anywhere. What it's going to take
Speaker 1: is somebody's gonna have to tell him to leave. And
Speaker 1: this is why I'm bringing Ryan in because this exact
Speaker 1: same thing just happened in Michigan.
Speaker 2: Almost it's uncanny, Mandy, the parallels between the Republican Party
Speaker 2: and Colorado here in my home state of Michigan, and
Speaker 2: it's not that surprising to find out that both parties
Speaker 2: are struggling immensely. Michigan is a purple state, a lot
Speaker 2: more purple than I would say Colorado is now, which
Speaker 2: is essentially blue, but it leans blue, and it's always
Speaker 2: leaned blue that in my lifetime that I can remember
Speaker 2: the Union guys, a lot of Union, a lot of
Speaker 2: University Michigan, Michigan State, central Western Eastern. You have a
Speaker 2: strong Detroit populace that is pretty safely blue. And that's
Speaker 2: what really flips Michigan from Trump in twenty sixteen to
Speaker 2: Biden in twenty twenty. Biden also had that appeal like
Speaker 2: you're talking about with the UAW workers in Macomb County specifically,
Speaker 2: but it's leadership, it's a top down process and the
Speaker 2: old saying is a fish rots from the head down right,
Speaker 2: And Dave Williams has taken this party in Colorado, and
Speaker 2: I believed, in some ways kind of intentionally driven it
Speaker 2: off the cliff.
Speaker 3: I said to a.
Speaker 1: Friend I was having a conversation with him, like, could
Speaker 1: he be a Democrat plant? That's what I was endering
Speaker 1: because genuinely, and I'm not seriously saying this as a
Speaker 1: conspiracy theory, but if you were the Democrats and you
Speaker 1: wanted to destroy the Republican Party, could you come up
Speaker 1: with a better prototype on how to do that then
Speaker 1: to get Dave Williams installed.
Speaker 3: As the chairman.
Speaker 2: Another way to ask that question that I've done on
Speaker 2: my show and with you, I think, is if you
Speaker 2: were trying to undermine and destroy the Republican Party from within,
Speaker 2: what would you do differently than anything Dave Williams was
Speaker 2: on to this point, correct, because what we saw, Mandy,
Speaker 2: you saw personally at the Republican National Convention in Milwaukee
Speaker 2: was tremendous unity. I talked to Heidi Ganal who was
Speaker 2: there too, and it even efforvest to the Republican Party.
Speaker 2: Of those that were in attended, it's from Colorado here,
Speaker 2: including yourself in Heidi Ganal. But the leadership seems hell
Speaker 2: bent on just you know, driving headlong into the fire,
Speaker 2: no matter, you know, damn the torpedoes and if we lose,
Speaker 2: so what well, No, the name of the game is winning.
Speaker 2: It doesn't mean you compromise values. But in Michigan, what
Speaker 2: we've seen is this cartoonish kind of caricature of trump Ism.
Speaker 2: And people think they know Trump is I think better
Speaker 2: than Donald Trump himself because they try to apply these
Speaker 2: litmus tests. Now we're a purity test of well, you're
Speaker 2: not Trump. You know Donald Trump would not pass yours
Speaker 2: test correct.
Speaker 3: And that's exactly what Dave Williams did here.
Speaker 2: And Christina Caramo is the name you want to keep
Speaker 2: an ear out for in Michigan because she's Dave Williams
Speaker 2: and carnate nice. I like that, but she was the
Speaker 2: same thing. It's like this very narrow cabal of leadership.
Speaker 2: It's a battle of attrition. It's a battle of subtraction
Speaker 2: rather than addition. That's that's really where I drew the line.
Speaker 2: As you and I both are very strong supporters of
Speaker 2: the log Cabin Republicans here in Colorado. I think They're
Speaker 2: a key group. Valtimore Archillette is a tremendous voice as
Speaker 2: the president. And to send out such a defamatory and
Speaker 2: inflammatory and hateful etmail, to what purpose does that serve?
Speaker 2: To what point are you trying to prove? Now?
Speaker 3: Are you trying to bring to the party with that?
Speaker 2: You're not. You're trying to kick people out. So how
Speaker 2: do you plan to win elections that way? Yet you're not,
Speaker 2: You're not so in Michigan, Christina Caromel similarly felt like
Speaker 2: she had her eyes on the prize, her fingers on
Speaker 2: the pulse of trump Ism and what it means. We
Speaker 2: got to go ultra right maga in Michigan. I'm telling
Speaker 2: you the history of Republicans in Michigan who win, who
Speaker 2: win like John Angler, like Snyder Rick Snyder who both
Speaker 2: served English served three terms before they narrow that to
Speaker 2: a two term limit. Jennifer Granhold the Democrat, followed then
Speaker 2: Rick Snyder. Michigan's gone back and forth a bit. But
Speaker 2: the types of Republicans who win in Michigan are not
Speaker 2: very trumpy. They're not not super duper far right Republican conservative.
Speaker 2: It's kind of a it's a delicate balance, it's a
Speaker 2: narrow path to walk. Mike Rogers, who's running for Senate
Speaker 2: this year, he can win, but again you got to
Speaker 2: thread a needle in Michigan to win as a Republican.
Speaker 2: And Caramo they were practically bankrupt. This is another thing
Speaker 2: that famous sharing in common with Dave Williamstern and Colorado.
Speaker 2: They were raising money and Pete Hookster comes in. Now
Speaker 2: there's this separation and it happens here too, between the
Speaker 2: grassroots so called movement and the established kind of people
Speaker 2: will call them rhinos or whatever, but the rhinos win
Speaker 2: in Michigan. I got to say it just flatly. And
Speaker 2: so Hookster comes in. He's not very well liked at
Speaker 2: all by the grassroots. They're booing him at this assembly.
Speaker 2: And Caramo comes in kind of in a stealth manner.
Speaker 2: She's already been booted the Republican National Congression.
Speaker 3: Committee on whartographs.
Speaker 1: How would she actually get booted because she did the
Speaker 1: party membership call a meeting like they did here.
Speaker 3: What was that pros fame exact.
Speaker 2: Thing, same thing, and she was voted out and same
Speaker 2: thing as Dave Williams. She was like, no, I'm not leaving,
Speaker 2: I'm not leaving. She's doing the whole Wolflall Street thing. Yeah, exactly, No,
Speaker 2: you got to leave. And so the National Party had
Speaker 2: to come in and say, no, you are leaving. This
Speaker 2: is what's been decided. This is who we are recognizing.
Speaker 2: We've already seen a little bit of that from the
Speaker 2: NRCC here in Colorado with regard to Eli Bremmer and
Speaker 2: then Hookstra. He takes control of the gabble, he's running
Speaker 2: these meetings, he's running this assembly and she sneaks in
Speaker 2: ostensibly to endorse this other candidate. Sure, okay, we know
Speaker 2: why you're there. So they asked her to leave, She
Speaker 2: doesn't want to leave. It turns into a scene. The
Speaker 2: police escort her out of the buildings.
Speaker 3: They did.
Speaker 2: I mean, this is the state of things in the
Speaker 2: Michigan Republican Party, and again we can really relate to
Speaker 2: it here in Colorado.
Speaker 1: I'm just wondering how quickly the RNC is going to act,
Speaker 1: because if the NRCC has already recognized the change and
Speaker 1: is recognizing as I have, Eli Bremmer is the rightful
Speaker 1: chair of the Republican Party in Colorado, they need to
Speaker 1: do it like today, right, it needs to happen sooner
Speaker 1: rather than later. The writing is on the wall. Dave
Speaker 1: Williams is on his way out. I don't care how
Speaker 1: hard his little fingernails dig in. He's on his way out.
Speaker 1: He will not be saved by some asinine meeting under
Speaker 1: a bridge, or you know, any other meeting called. He's
Speaker 1: just we have to move beyond this. And I'm excited
Speaker 1: to see. I'm following Eli Bremmer on X and he's
Speaker 1: already calling candidates, he's already calling donors. He's already doing
Speaker 1: the things that Dave Williams never did.
Speaker 2: He might have said this to you, and I know
Speaker 2: he just said it to Dan Caplis, my cohort over
Speaker 2: there on KHW, that he had reached out to say
Speaker 2: Jeff Hurt, the third professional candidate in a very difficult
Speaker 2: race against Adam.
Speaker 3: Fish, a very well funded opponent.
Speaker 2: And Eli said, when he reached out to Jeff Heerd,
Speaker 2: that's the first time that the state Party had reached out.
Speaker 3: Because the state Party under Dave Williams.
Speaker 2: Endorsed Ron Hanks.
Speaker 1: Yeah, honestly, the Ron Hanks, Tina Peters part of this
Speaker 1: party needs to sit down and shut up, like just
Speaker 1: sit I'm thinking about doing a musical about.
Speaker 2: Teas I should I do you imagine?
Speaker 3: I think that with Ai, I could write some big numbers,
Speaker 3: like you know, like where.
Speaker 1: She compares herself to Jesus. I mean, I think Tina
Speaker 1: Peters the musical has legs. Yeah, So working on the
Speaker 1: book now and then I'll get to the score. I
Speaker 1: will definitely gets to help me. Well, there was heard
Speaker 1: in the third at rhymes.
Speaker 2: Then Gabe Evans, this is the one that really sets
Speaker 2: me off. Here is this young, accomplished, just a stellar
Speaker 2: candidate in the eighth Congressional a winnable district that Barb
Speaker 2: Kirkmeyer very narrowly lost to Yudirik Caravel last time around,
Speaker 2: the first time that this district has been in place
Speaker 2: since we expanded after the census. And rather than the
Speaker 2: the Republican Party, here Dave Williams the leadership getting behind
Speaker 2: a solid Conservative and Gabe Williams, a guy who's a
Speaker 2: military veteran oversees, who's a police veteran as well, who
Speaker 2: has served in our General Assembly, has all this experience.
Speaker 2: Sharp guy comes and he endorsed his opponent.
Speaker 1: I saw Janet Josie at the World County Women's rumble
Speaker 1: and uh.
Speaker 2: Anyway, no, no, the broader point and this is where
Speaker 2: I think everything turned for me because I'm okay, I'm
Speaker 2: kind of keeping tabs up this. I tried to do
Speaker 2: the Michael Corleone thing, right. I don't want to overreact.
Speaker 2: I don't want to study Corleone. I don't want to
Speaker 2: come in guns blast and I'm waiting. Then Lauren Bobert
Speaker 2: came out with a statement, and that's when I want. Okay.
Speaker 2: So I'm hopefully going to have some conversations with Lauren
Speaker 2: about this and in the near future.
Speaker 1: I understand she's already talking to Eli Bremmer and those conversations.
Speaker 2: If Lauren Bobert, who is, in my opinion, the most
Speaker 2: prominent member of our party in this state right now,
Speaker 2: because Doug Lambourne's all the way out right, if she
Speaker 2: throws her support behind Eli, that's it. It's it, It's over.
Speaker 2: But what Dave Williams at that point, what are you doing?
Speaker 2: What are you doing? Lauren Bolbert? Even who Dave Williams
Speaker 2: did endorse, I think that was a matter of convenience.
Speaker 2: But you know, if Lauren Bolbert is not on his side,
Speaker 2: you know who that matters is that's what I I've.
Speaker 3: Known you have left Sholing.
Speaker 1: You can listen to a show right after this one
Speaker 1: on six thirty kids. Thanks for having me, No, I
Speaker 1: appreciate the insight because I think that's where we're headed.
Speaker 1: The RNC has to recognize just like you, leadership and
Speaker 1: just move on.
Speaker 3: Time to move on, people,