1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:03,919 Speaker 1: What's up, everyone, and welcome back to the Epstein Chronicles. 2 00:00:04,679 --> 00:00:06,480 We're going to pick up where we left off with 3 00:00:06,599 --> 00:00:10,839 the Johanna Schoberg deposition, so let's just get right back 4 00:00:10,880 --> 00:00:14,480 to it. McCauley, and earlier, you testified that you don't 5 00:00:14,480 --> 00:00:17,199 have any knowledge of what happened behind closed doors, but 6 00:00:17,399 --> 00:00:20,120 you also said that Jeffrey had told you what other 7 00:00:20,160 --> 00:00:22,519 girls did for him, and that he wanted you to 8 00:00:22,559 --> 00:00:25,760 do those things for him. Is it fair to say 9 00:00:25,800 --> 00:00:30,280 that you knew that other girls were performing sexual acts? Answer? Yes, 10 00:00:31,079 --> 00:00:35,759 manage your objection foundation and forum. McCauley. And I know 11 00:00:35,799 --> 00:00:39,159 you mentioned previously that your relationship and interaction with them 12 00:00:39,159 --> 00:00:42,479 progressed over time. Did there come a time when you 13 00:00:42,640 --> 00:00:48,240 were expected to have sexual intercourse with Jeffrey? Answer yes, McCauley. 14 00:00:48,560 --> 00:00:52,240 And when was that? Answer two thousand and five. McCauley. 15 00:00:52,359 --> 00:00:54,840 That's it. I just do want to also put on 16 00:00:54,840 --> 00:00:58,799 the record that we're designating the testimony as confidential under 17 00:00:58,799 --> 00:01:04,560 the protective order further examination by miss Meninger Menager. Okay, 18 00:01:04,680 --> 00:01:08,560 you just testified that you have knowledge, you had knowledge 19 00:01:08,599 --> 00:01:11,840 that of what Jeffrey was doing behind closed doors with 20 00:01:11,959 --> 00:01:15,719 other girls. Was that your testimony. Answer based on what 21 00:01:15,760 --> 00:01:19,000 he had told me. Menager. Okay, So Jeffrey told you 22 00:01:19,040 --> 00:01:22,439 things that he had done with other girls. Answer yes, Menager, 23 00:01:22,840 --> 00:01:26,959 you did not observe any of those things. Answer no, Menager, 24 00:01:27,040 --> 00:01:29,040 you did not talk to any of those girls about 25 00:01:29,040 --> 00:01:33,480 what they had done with Jeffrey behind closed doors. McCauley objection, menager, 26 00:01:34,159 --> 00:01:38,359 correct answer correct, Menager. The only source of knowledge you 27 00:01:38,439 --> 00:01:40,879 have is based on what Jeffrey told you he had 28 00:01:40,920 --> 00:01:45,879 done with other girls. Answer correct to this. McCauley objects, Menager, 29 00:01:46,239 --> 00:01:48,920 you said that there were possibly nude photos amongst the 30 00:01:48,959 --> 00:01:51,680 other photos that you saw on various walls at the 31 00:01:51,680 --> 00:01:55,680 Palm Beach House. Correct answer correct, Menager, none of them 32 00:01:55,680 --> 00:01:59,879 appeared pornographic. Answer no, Menager, you didn't see any fully 33 00:02:00,079 --> 00:02:04,359 frontally nude photographs. Correct answer no, not that I recall, Manager, 34 00:02:04,599 --> 00:02:06,840 And you don't recall seeing any girls that appeared to 35 00:02:06,879 --> 00:02:11,719 be underage. Correct answer no, Manager. You said Glaine asked 36 00:02:11,759 --> 00:02:15,960 you to take photos of yourself for Jeffrey. Correct answer correct. Manager. 37 00:02:16,360 --> 00:02:18,919 Did she ask you to take any nude photographs for 38 00:02:18,960 --> 00:02:22,479 yourself or just a photograph of yourself? Answer a nude 39 00:02:22,479 --> 00:02:27,680 photograph of myself? Manager, what exactly did she say to you? Answer? 40 00:02:27,719 --> 00:02:30,360 I don't remember exactly, but I know that I never 41 00:02:30,360 --> 00:02:33,840 felt comfortable. I would have felt fine taking photos of 42 00:02:33,840 --> 00:02:37,080 myself my face, but I knew I was never comfortable 43 00:02:37,120 --> 00:02:39,039 with it because I had to take photos of my 44 00:02:39,120 --> 00:02:41,719 body and I also didn't know how to take a 45 00:02:41,759 --> 00:02:46,759 photo from standing behind. You have to have someone else involved, Manager, 46 00:02:46,879 --> 00:02:49,240 that's my question. How would you take a nude photograph 47 00:02:49,319 --> 00:02:54,039 of yourself? Answer exactly, someone else would have to do it. Manager. 48 00:02:54,240 --> 00:02:56,520 Do you recall any of the particulars of what she 49 00:02:56,639 --> 00:02:59,319 said to you that led you to believe she wanted 50 00:02:59,319 --> 00:03:04,199 you to do that? Answer? No, just asking for the photos. Manager. 51 00:03:04,520 --> 00:03:07,680 Do you know when in your time there? Answer it 52 00:03:07,759 --> 00:03:10,840 was near the beginning, because that's when I was interested 53 00:03:10,879 --> 00:03:14,840 in the photography. Manager. Was it in the context of 54 00:03:14,879 --> 00:03:19,000 your discussion of your photography class? Answer no, Manager, Was 55 00:03:19,000 --> 00:03:22,159 it in the context of anything. Answer about the camera 56 00:03:22,240 --> 00:03:25,319 she had bought for me? Menager, what did she say 57 00:03:25,400 --> 00:03:28,199 in relationship to the camera that she bought for you 58 00:03:28,319 --> 00:03:31,759 and taking photographs of you? Answer just that Jeffrey would 59 00:03:31,800 --> 00:03:33,960 like to have some photos of me, and she asked 60 00:03:34,000 --> 00:03:37,759 me to take photos of myself. Manager. What did you say. 61 00:03:38,080 --> 00:03:40,960 Answer I don't remember saying no, but I never ended 62 00:03:41,039 --> 00:03:44,719 up following through. I think I tried once. Manager. This 63 00:03:45,080 --> 00:03:50,000 was the pre SELFI era. Correct answer exactly, Manager, I 64 00:03:50,039 --> 00:03:52,360 want to go back to this. You testified to two 65 00:03:52,479 --> 00:03:55,680 things just now with sigared that you said were implied 66 00:03:55,680 --> 00:03:59,879 to you. Answer okay, Maxwell. The first one was it 67 00:04:00,159 --> 00:04:03,560 would take pressure off of Maxwell to have more girls around. 68 00:04:03,800 --> 00:04:07,280 Answer right, Manager, What exactly did Maxwell say to you 69 00:04:07,360 --> 00:04:10,879 that led you to believe that was her implication? Answer 70 00:04:11,280 --> 00:04:13,599 she said she doesn't have the time or the desire 71 00:04:13,680 --> 00:04:16,360 to pleasure him as much as he needs, and that's 72 00:04:16,399 --> 00:04:19,800 why there were other girls around. Manager. And did she 73 00:04:19,879 --> 00:04:24,480 refer specifically to any of the other girls? Answer no, Manager. 74 00:04:24,560 --> 00:04:30,040 Did she talk about underage girls? Answer no, Manager. Was 75 00:04:30,120 --> 00:04:35,600 she talking about massage therapists? Answer not specifically, Manager. Okay, 76 00:04:35,759 --> 00:04:38,079 there were other girls in the house that were not 77 00:04:38,160 --> 00:04:43,720 massage therapists. Correct answer yes, Manager. Nadia is another person 78 00:04:43,759 --> 00:04:47,680 that was around. Correct answer yes, Manager. There were other 79 00:04:47,720 --> 00:04:52,160 people she traveled with? Answer uh huh McCauley objection Manager, 80 00:04:52,920 --> 00:04:58,079 correct answer correct Manager. Other girls answer yes, manager, adults 81 00:04:58,399 --> 00:05:02,480 answer yes, Manager. When I say girl, I really mean woman? 82 00:05:02,560 --> 00:05:07,399 Correct answer correct, Menager. There were other women around who 83 00:05:07,480 --> 00:05:10,040 hung out with Jeffrey, and you don't know what they 84 00:05:10,079 --> 00:05:14,879 did behind closed doors. Correct answer correct. Manager, So when 85 00:05:14,879 --> 00:05:18,199 you heard the implications that she wanted other girls around 86 00:05:18,360 --> 00:05:21,040 to take the pressure off of her sexually, in your mind, 87 00:05:21,160 --> 00:05:23,959 that meant other adult women that she had in her life. 88 00:05:23,959 --> 00:05:29,399 Correct McCauley. Objection, witness, correct doing what I was expected 89 00:05:29,439 --> 00:05:33,399 to do in a massage, you know, Menager, and Glane 90 00:05:33,399 --> 00:05:35,600 didn't have anything to do with you bringing this woman 91 00:05:35,879 --> 00:05:40,720 over for a physical workout with Jeffrey. Correct answer correct, Menager. 92 00:05:41,120 --> 00:05:43,319 She asked you to bring another girl to be to 93 00:05:43,360 --> 00:05:47,040 perform massages at the home. Answer yes, Well, she was 94 00:05:47,079 --> 00:05:50,120 always asking if I knew anyone else, and so I 95 00:05:50,199 --> 00:05:52,759 brought this one girl that I didn't even know. I 96 00:05:52,800 --> 00:05:55,720 worked with her at a restaurant, so I didn't care 97 00:05:55,759 --> 00:05:58,279 what she thought of me if anything happened, and so, 98 00:05:58,680 --> 00:06:02,120 but it never turned into any thing. Manager. She was 99 00:06:02,160 --> 00:06:05,600 an adult. Answer she was an adult manager working at 100 00:06:05,639 --> 00:06:09,680 a restaurant with you. Answer yes, manager, what restaurant was that? 101 00:06:10,120 --> 00:06:14,120 Answer it's a restaurant that's closed. It's called redacted. Menager. 102 00:06:14,480 --> 00:06:16,480 You were asked about the famous people you said you 103 00:06:16,519 --> 00:06:20,480 met Michael Jackson. Answer yes, Manager, but you did not 104 00:06:20,560 --> 00:06:24,279 give him a massage? Answer no, Menager. There were other 105 00:06:24,360 --> 00:06:27,560 famous people perhaps who were around Jeffrey's home that you 106 00:06:27,600 --> 00:06:32,360 didn't meet. Correct answer correct, menager. Do you know whether 107 00:06:32,439 --> 00:06:34,959 Virginia Roberts has told the truth about the age she 108 00:06:35,160 --> 00:06:39,120 was when she met Gallain Maxwell McCauley objection exceeds scope 109 00:06:39,120 --> 00:06:41,800 of the cross the witness. I don't have any idea 110 00:06:41,879 --> 00:06:45,120 what she told them in terms of her age, Menager. 111 00:06:45,360 --> 00:06:47,399 Do you know if Virginia Roberts is telling the truth 112 00:06:47,480 --> 00:06:50,920 about whether she spent her sweet sixteenth birthday with Jeffrey 113 00:06:51,000 --> 00:06:55,800 and Gallain Maxwell. McCauley objection, Shoberg, I don't know anything 114 00:06:55,839 --> 00:06:59,319 about that, Menager. Do you know whether Virginia Roberts is 115 00:06:59,360 --> 00:07:02,680 telling the truth about whether Glen Maxwell sexually assaulted her 116 00:07:02,879 --> 00:07:06,839 on her first day on the job. McCauley objection, Shoberg, 117 00:07:06,920 --> 00:07:09,279 I have no knowledge of that, Menager. Do you have 118 00:07:09,319 --> 00:07:12,920 any knowledge of weather Virginia is telling the truth about Virginia? 119 00:07:13,000 --> 00:07:16,680 Excuse me about Glenn Maxwell forcing Virginia Roberts to go 120 00:07:16,759 --> 00:07:21,279 down on her McCauley objection. Witness, no knowledge menager, do 121 00:07:21,319 --> 00:07:24,000 you have any knowledge about weather? Virginia Roberts is telling 122 00:07:24,040 --> 00:07:27,839 the truth about whether Glenn Maxwell forced her to participate 123 00:07:27,959 --> 00:07:33,560 in orgies with other women. Miss McCauley objection, Witness no menager, 124 00:07:33,759 --> 00:07:36,519 do you have any knowledge about weather? Virginia Roberts is 125 00:07:36,560 --> 00:07:40,000 telling the truth about whether Glenn Maxwell directed her to 126 00:07:40,079 --> 00:07:44,279 have sex with Prince Andrew. Miss McCauley objection, Witness no, 127 00:07:44,720 --> 00:07:47,680 only based on what I've read in the media, Manager 128 00:07:48,199 --> 00:07:54,600 and Alan Dershowitz. McCauley objection, witness the same menager, Prime Ministers. 129 00:07:54,839 --> 00:07:59,519 McCauley objection, Showburg, No menager, do you have any knowledge 130 00:07:59,519 --> 00:08:02,279 about weather or Virginia Roberts is telling the truth about 131 00:08:02,319 --> 00:08:07,480 foreign presidents? Ms McCauley objection the witness no knowledge. Manager. 132 00:08:07,759 --> 00:08:10,199 Do you know whether Virginia Roberts is telling the truth 133 00:08:10,399 --> 00:08:13,720 about Glenn Maxwell forcing her to participate in an orgy 134 00:08:13,759 --> 00:08:17,079 with Prince Andrew and other underage girls on the island. 135 00:08:17,439 --> 00:08:22,720 McCauley objection, Witness no knowledge. Manager. Did Glenn Maxwell ever 136 00:08:22,759 --> 00:08:26,879 ask you to have her baby? McCauley objection, show Burg, 137 00:08:27,040 --> 00:08:31,279 no menager, No further questions. McCauley, thank you for your 138 00:08:31,360 --> 00:08:35,360 time we are done, McCauley, We are off the record. Videographer. 139 00:08:35,440 --> 00:08:38,600 The time is one to eleven. This concludes the video deposition. 140 00:08:39,039 --> 00:08:42,200 Off the record, all right, folks, So that's going to 141 00:08:42,279 --> 00:08:47,440 conclude our look at the Johanna Schoberg deposition. And obviously 142 00:08:47,480 --> 00:08:50,399 with all the documents that are dumping and have been dumped, 143 00:08:50,639 --> 00:08:53,000 we have our work cut out for us. So, like 144 00:08:53,039 --> 00:08:55,799 when you're eating any elephant, you just got to eat 145 00:08:55,840 --> 00:08:58,000 it won by that at a time, and that's what 146 00:08:58,039 --> 00:09:00,399 we're going to continue to do. We'll continue you to 147 00:09:00,399 --> 00:09:03,480 add these documents to the catalog so that they're available 148 00:09:03,480 --> 00:09:05,519 to you all and so that all of you have 149 00:09:05,600 --> 00:09:09,080 the context that's necessary to understand what in the hell 150 00:09:09,159 --> 00:09:11,720 happened here and what in the hell is still happening here. 151 00:09:12,679 --> 00:09:14,879 All right, folks, that's going to do it for this one. 152 00:09:14,960 --> 00:09:17,799 All of the information that goes with this episode can 153 00:09:17,840 --> 00:09:19,799 be found in the description box.