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This is the truth Speaker podcast. I'm excited, delighted to

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cover all things spiritual. We're gonna get into it all

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to be talking about a lot of stuff. I know

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I got my friend here, Craig Walker is gonna be

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where it goes. Man, it's gonna be really good story

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Craig Walker Brother. Welcome to the Truth Seker Podcast. Man,

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Speaker 1: It's your time, brother, it's your time launching Nanting period.

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what I'm saying, not versus like what's out there. From

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these experiences, and it in a good light. We've never

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research and encourage you, not let you know you're not marginalized,

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you not by yourself. You said something on the talk

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Speaker 1: So yeah, it was huge, man, huge, and it is huge, right,

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of that, and so let us come come to the table,

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let us reason, and let us just share our stories

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that's kind of like, let's frame your story a little bit,

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your spiritual awakening again, guys, buckle up, We're going to

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talk about it all Jesus UFOs, new Age, ets magic,

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like music, all of it. So make sure you guys

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a Christian home. My parents were weekly church goers. I

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how I lived and how I was raised. So I

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the church. So I'm here. You know, this is why, etc.

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all the healings and you know, Peter Shadow healing people

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kind of stuff, and that really helped me sort of

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like learn about manifestation and things like that. And then

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an aside, just because I was I was kind of

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a child prodigy, and I take no, I can't take

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credit for this. I was born with an ability to

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play the drums. Wow, I just could, I could just

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have to be Mike Portnoy. He was in Great Dream

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Theater for twenty five hours.

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like really inspiring. But I mean, obviously Neil Pierre and

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something we can definitely talk about. But yeah, so, I

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mean I used to play drums in church, you know,

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you know, so it was always like cool, this little

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boy playing drums and stuff like this. And again I

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can't don't feel like I can take credit for that

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because it was just a natural ability. I could just

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me on to what I was saying. I really got

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into morning Star because they and their worship was like

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totally out there for his time, you know, it was

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really piedeering something.

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what what a cool guy. You know. I love that

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sort of Jesus movement and they sort of hipis and

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all that sort of stuff. I think they get this

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stuff that we talk about actually a lot of time,

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which is really cool. So yeah, I mean I jumped

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well into that, but think that led me into sort

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of like they were having supernatural experiences. And I'll never

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forget the first time I heard, you know, on the

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Glory ced of Morning Star, the very last track where

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they sang I want to hold your hand and the

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cloud came in and everybody stopped, and it was just

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like like goose bumps when I listened to it. You know,

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even to this day, I could I still get.

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Christine Potter like just starts like praying some sort of

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singing some song and what have you. And so I

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was just like, what is this? Why does this happen?

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you know, I really honor my Christian past. I don't

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I don't regret it in any way, shape or form.

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Country to a lot you know a lot of people

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who certainly deconstructed, they go, oh what a load of rubbish. No, no, no,

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I really honor that, and I honor where I've come

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from and and the these these great people. So yeah,

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I was into money Star and that that helped me

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with the music and Don Potter and all that kind

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of stuff.

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Speaker 1: Wed you reading the material of the books and stuff too.

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with that. I've got all joined his books and obviously

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the Final Quest and the call massive, massive books on me.

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They're just really sort of you know, amazing at the

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time and things like that. Yeah, so I read it all.

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I mean, I was I was always interested in Christian doctrine,

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you know, I read or joined his books on doctrine

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and that really helped me. And I guess leading up

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to two thousand and five, I was twenty years old

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and I was into sort of like Todd Bentley and

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that sort of movement, and I would sort of, you know,

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Top Bentley come over to the UK and I would

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go along and he was just wild. You know, it

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was great. I load it, Yeah, exactly loads of stuff

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going on there. And you know, Paul Keith Davis. I

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love Paul Keith Davis and obviously Bob Jones and all

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those people. Funnily enough, Seanell, who I'm friends with, was

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in with all those people, and I didn't connect with

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her then. You know, I didn't have any sort of

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connection with that that I'm aware of anyway, certainly not

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in the three D world, but obviously since connected with

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her quite strongly since then. But yeah, in two thousand

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and five, God said, well, actually I went to a

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top Bentley conference, and obviously I believe inspired by God,

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he came to me and you know the lines you

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used to pray for people. And he came to me,

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you went, you need to come to Canada, and I

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was it and walked off. I was like, oh, okay,

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you know. Anyway, I went home final, you know, and

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then I completely forgot about that. A couple of weeks later,

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my dad saw that Top Bentley was putting on a

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conference in Canada. That was the February. It was the

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following April, and my dad went, Craig, I don't know why,

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but I feel we need to go to this. I

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was like, and then it reminded me what Tom Bentley

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had said. I was like, oh yeah, and I told him.

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Bentley said to me to come to Canada. So longster

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short with my dad and I flew over to Canada

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and we went to this conference. What was it called

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something about the supernatural I can't remember, and it was

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Rick Joyner, it was John Paul Jackson obviously to Bentley.

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Don Patter was doing the worship. So it was like

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made for me, you know, and there was I was

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the first time I ever saw something like that. I

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barely believe my own eyes. I saw feathers, you know,

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in front of like thousands of people. They're during the worship.

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There was about thirty feathers just appeared in like above

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the stage.

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Speaker 1: They were just falling.

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It appeared right they didn't just because at first I thought, oh, no,

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how embarrassing. There's like a pigeon coat in the airc

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or something like that. And then when I looked and

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I looked up, it was about there was about forty

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foot high ceiling. It was a really high ceiling, and

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about ten foot down. We were all just watching these feathers,

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just just one after the other, and knew all different colors,

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shape and sizes. And I've still got one to this day.

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I was taller than most people, so I reached up

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and I got it, you know, and I've kept it

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and to this days I can remember seeing it. It's like,

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did I really see that, you know, just morphing from nothing.

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This was really satisfying this desire for kind of the supernatural.

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And I was like, this is brilliant, this is what

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I really really want. Anyway, at that conference, the conference

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ended and we went to top of this church just

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the night before we left to come home, and I

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got a call. I was called out and I was

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prophesied over that basically. I received a scroll basically, and

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on the scroll was written Joel's Army, and it was

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this whole Joel's Army thing about the youth, et cetera,

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et cetera. And I believe it applies to what's going

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on today. Again, we can talk about that in a bit.

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And I mean I was absolutely like blown to pieces,

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like just I could belly function, you know, I was

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just like whoa, And you know, he was seeing angels

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around me and all this kind of stuff and he

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just prophesied destiny over me. So I came home from

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from Canada like absolutely elated, Like what an experience. Now,

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I'm so glad. I went, so glad We're paid the

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money to fly over, et cetera. And I kid you not.

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Two thousand and five April two thousand and five, my

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feet hit the ground back in the UK in Manchester Airport.

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My whole life fell apart. Everything I thought, I knew,

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everything I thought, you know, I had a good Christian

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girlfriend at the time that completely like went naf my work, everything,

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my whole life fell apart. Is like everything went wrong.

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I was like, what's going on? And then obviously i'd

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hear like Rick Joyning and talk about when you receive

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a word, you know there will always be there will

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usually be a wilder And I mean I just went

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right into the caves. I disappeared, and and you know,

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I was like just seeking God, you know, God, what's

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going on again? Coming forward? You know, I got I

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got married, I met my wife who is now my wife.

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We have two kids now they're just a ride if

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you can hear them. Yeah, yeah, yeah, you know. So,

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so I did the family thing. I was working, but

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I was always sort of seeking God, you know what

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I mean. And I was hungry for more. But it

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just seemed like the more I sought, the more trouble

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that I came.

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Speaker 1: Across, you know, trouble as in how as in.

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Speaker 4: Like situations that were.

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Speaker 1: Outside your box or or like bad situations for.

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Speaker 4: You, situations that were sort of like training basically were

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preparing me for something and being prepared for something. So

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I just.

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Speaker 1: One second, okay, you're good.

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Speaker 5: Yeah on the podcast, dear, yeah, come on sweet, Yeah,

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I don't know what she just got back from the

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arcade with with my wife anyway.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so what was I saying, I've lost my trainer?

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Speaker 1: Just the trials in how you felt like we were

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being prepared.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, and oh that was another thing in the

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word I got. You know, when Tom Bentleys prophecigned over me,

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he said to me, you're going to enter into a

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season of training and preparation. So that really helped me

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kind of understand what was going on, you know, Like

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so I just disappeared on a sort of an external level,

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you know, I got a family, and I did did

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just did life, you know. And it was in twenty sixteen,

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coming all the way forward. In all that time, I

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was I was just you know, was.

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Speaker 1: You when this when this, you know, always starting.

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Speaker 4: I was twenty years old in two thousand and five

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when I went to Canada, and I've had I've been

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I was in the wilderness ever since, you know, I

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was in this dark place of training. So I it

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was twenty sixteen. Something happened and I can't put my

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finger on what it was, but my mind was opened.

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I was seeking God and something just went slammed and

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I started to see the power of the universal Christ,

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you know, and the true Gospel, and and then that

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led me into seeing how Christianity has been manipulated throughout

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the centuries, and the Bible and things like that, and

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all the problems and the reasons why there's problems with

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many of our beliefs, et cetera.

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Speaker 1: So you say, so, you say, you say something happened,

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do you can you pinpoint it? Was it like a

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bunch of stuff? Was it? Did you start listening to

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other people outside of Christianity or was there something in

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the scriptures that unfolded for you, like like what exactly happened?

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Speaker 4: And what I would say was, well, what you were

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saying before a few years before that, I suppose in

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around twenty thirteen. I yeah, I'll tell you this. I

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had an interview with Karina once and this is the

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only person I've ever told this too publicly. But okay,

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I'll say it now. You about twenty thirteen. You know,

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regardless of where people are out on the issue, you know,

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I've changed a lot since then. But when gay marriage

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was legalized over here in the UK twenty thirteen, I

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had an issue with it, don't judge whatever, And I

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was just in prayer and I just said, God, you

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know what's going on. You know, we're really uninfluential, We're

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really losing this what's happening? And I heard the booming

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in an audible voice say Christianity is dead and it's

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me that's killed it.

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Speaker 1: Wow.

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Speaker 4: And obviously I was like, Jesus, how could you say

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such a thing. You're wrong, you know, you can't say that.

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You know what's your thing, you know, And that stuck

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with me and it took a couple of years for

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me to sort of really sinking. And in that time

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I discovered like the likes of Company of Burning Hearts,

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you know, just In Abraham left me like Ian Clayton,

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and I started to hear the gospel in a different way,

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but it was the mystical gospel and I really connected

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with like the Celtic Saints. I have a deep love

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of Celtic culture. You know, obviously I live in England

472
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and I lived near Scotland and Ireland, et cetera, and

473
00:25:30,839 --> 00:25:33,440
there's a big Celtic culture. It's probably in my DNA

474
00:25:33,480 --> 00:25:37,440
as well. But yeah, I really connected with that. So

475
00:25:37,480 --> 00:25:39,680
when when Justin, for example, we talked about the old

476
00:25:39,720 --> 00:25:42,039
Celtic saints and stuff. I was really fascinated with that

477
00:25:42,079 --> 00:25:44,880
and their stories and the stories of Patrick and Columba

478
00:25:44,920 --> 00:25:49,279
and all those. So so that was that which led

479
00:25:49,319 --> 00:25:52,519
me again, leads me up to twenty sixteen, when I

480
00:25:52,559 --> 00:25:54,519
was having, you know, hearing these things and I was

481
00:25:54,559 --> 00:25:57,200
loving sort of justin and in talking about going to heaven.

482
00:25:58,480 --> 00:26:00,599
I never really did it. I didn't really understand it.

483
00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:02,640
But I guess now that i'll look back and I've

484
00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:05,680
never really thought about this before those few years leading

485
00:26:05,720 --> 00:26:08,400
up to this, I was being made ready for something,

486
00:26:08,440 --> 00:26:16,119
you know. So twenty sixteen and again I was in

487
00:26:16,160 --> 00:26:17,680
a really sort of in a in a just a

488
00:26:18,079 --> 00:26:20,799
longing place for more like I've just sort of was

489
00:26:20,839 --> 00:26:23,960
the whole time, and I felt like finally my prayer

490
00:26:24,039 --> 00:26:28,799
was being answered because I discovered the Mirror Bible. Okay,

491
00:26:29,480 --> 00:26:30,519
have you ever read the Mirror?

492
00:26:31,920 --> 00:26:34,720
Speaker 1: I have not, but but I've seen something on it.

493
00:26:34,799 --> 00:26:37,160
This morning? Did you post something on your page?

494
00:26:37,559 --> 00:26:38,880
Speaker 4: I can't post anything. I'm banned.

495
00:26:38,920 --> 00:26:43,079
Speaker 1: That's so you didn't. That's so weird because I haven't

496
00:26:43,079 --> 00:26:46,200
really heard of it until this morning. So there's a synchronicity.

497
00:26:46,240 --> 00:26:49,920
Speaker 4: I'm going to look atity there. Long and short I

498
00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:51,880
discovered the Mirror Bible, which is basically it's a guy

499
00:26:51,920 --> 00:26:54,160
called Francois Detroit. I think if they pronounce it, it's

500
00:26:54,160 --> 00:26:58,680
a South African guy who's who's not really he's not

501
00:26:58,799 --> 00:27:02,359
He's not twisting Bible. He's accused a lot of twisting

502
00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:05,680
the Bible and you know, getting it wrong. But actually

503
00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:08,839
he's he goes he delves right into the original language

504
00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:11,480
and presents it in an inclusive way, you know, with

505
00:27:11,519 --> 00:27:15,799
the inclusive Gospel. It's amazing. It's a working progress. It's

506
00:27:15,839 --> 00:27:20,599
not finished yet. And and and my mind just went kaboom.

507
00:27:20,839 --> 00:27:22,440
You know, this is when I began to start. I

508
00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:30,799
started to deconstruct from religious false religious beliefs. And actually

509
00:27:32,160 --> 00:27:35,200
there was a time when Francois was coming over to

510
00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:37,200
the UK and I just messaged him and I said, oh,

511
00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:38,880
I'd love to meet you, you know, like I'd love

512
00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:40,200
to hear you talk and.

513
00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:40,519
Speaker 1: What have you.

514
00:27:40,559 --> 00:27:42,440
Speaker 4: He's got loads of messages on YouTube. By the way,

515
00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:45,880
he's brilliant. I love him to pieces. And he said,

516
00:27:45,920 --> 00:27:49,160
he messaged me back saying I'm coming to you. I

517
00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:51,599
was like, what, okay, okay. So I put on a

518
00:27:51,640 --> 00:27:54,400
little event and to be brutally honest with me going

519
00:27:54,400 --> 00:27:56,519
through this deconstruction. I was quite public about it. Like

520
00:27:56,880 --> 00:27:58,839
in my mind, I was like, this is amazing, guys,

521
00:27:58,880 --> 00:28:02,079
you know, listen to this, This is like the true gospel.

522
00:28:02,119 --> 00:28:02,720
And I couldn't.

523
00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:03,519
Speaker 1: I was.

524
00:28:03,599 --> 00:28:06,400
Speaker 4: I was kind of hurt by the by the backlash.

525
00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:08,680
I got like, oh no, no, that's heresy. You know,

526
00:28:09,319 --> 00:28:13,720
Francois is a crazy guy and all this kind of stuff,

527
00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:17,240
and I was just like, what, you know, I've never

528
00:28:17,319 --> 00:28:20,359
felt love like this before, the inclusive love of God,

529
00:28:20,519 --> 00:28:24,599
you know, in Christ. And I was I was getting

530
00:28:24,640 --> 00:28:28,359
like just like wrecked on love and it was really

531
00:28:28,440 --> 00:28:32,960
healing me in many ways. Anyway, Francois came over and

532
00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:35,440
we had a meeting, and because I had so much backlash,

533
00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:38,440
it wasn't actually a great turnout, but I kind of

534
00:28:38,440 --> 00:28:41,000
felt that Francois came because of what was going on

535
00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:42,880
with me and a small group of us. We were

536
00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:45,359
all kind of going through this together, some of us

537
00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:47,759
in the band and Assension, you like, I don't know,

538
00:28:47,759 --> 00:28:50,200
if you know, my dad plays guitar and en Ascension

539
00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:53,680
didn't I know, yeah, yeah, and my brother plays bass,

540
00:28:53,720 --> 00:28:57,279
so it's kind of like a family affair. Yeah yeah,

541
00:28:57,440 --> 00:29:01,319
and our singer Alan Francois and his wife Lydia stayed

542
00:29:01,319 --> 00:29:04,559
with our singer Alan and and it was like having

543
00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:06,400
Jesus hang out your house for a couple of days.

544
00:29:06,519 --> 00:29:09,440
It was it was beautiful. You know, that guy carries

545
00:29:09,480 --> 00:29:15,119
something definitely for this generation and it's I highly recommend him.

546
00:29:16,039 --> 00:29:17,599
And I just feel like he came over and he

547
00:29:17,720 --> 00:29:21,960
just imparted to us, like for two days, just constant,

548
00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:24,920
living word, living word. It just flows out of him,

549
00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:30,680
you know. So yeah, I highly recommend Francoisse work. So yeah,

550
00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:33,440
that that that brought a lot of healing. And I

551
00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:37,920
can't remember what year that was, but learning about the

552
00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:40,920
universal Christ and that Christ is the all in all

553
00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:43,960
and fills all things, that God is everywhere, et cetera,

554
00:29:45,839 --> 00:29:50,759
that made me, it liberated me to go outside of

555
00:29:51,119 --> 00:29:57,440
Christian christendom. You know. I just became so hungry for

556
00:29:57,559 --> 00:30:00,880
truth and I was like, right, I found this out.

557
00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:02,920
I want to know the truth, no matter what it is.

558
00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:05,480
I want to know what's going on in the world.

559
00:30:07,039 --> 00:30:10,440
And that led me to actually to Gaya, you know.

560
00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:12,480
Speaker 1: The streaming platform.

561
00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:15,319
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, and I just thought, you know,

562
00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:19,720
I felt the pull basically, and I learned loads on

563
00:30:19,799 --> 00:30:23,160
geya you know, and now I came across a cosmic

564
00:30:23,160 --> 00:30:24,599
disclosure with David Wilcock.

565
00:30:24,839 --> 00:30:28,599
Speaker 1: Yeah. Wilcock was huge for me too. Yeah.

566
00:30:28,680 --> 00:30:31,559
Speaker 4: Yeah, and I discovered his work. So, I mean my

567
00:30:31,759 --> 00:30:34,599
jaw dropped when I was listening to this stuff because

568
00:30:34,640 --> 00:30:37,079
I was like, there was like in my head it

569
00:30:37,160 --> 00:30:39,359
was like no, no, no, it's talking about demons, talking about demons.

570
00:30:39,359 --> 00:30:41,640
But my heart was going like out my chest, like

571
00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:43,920
this is this is talking, this is real, you know,

572
00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:47,640
talking about the experiences and government projects, like I said before,

573
00:30:47,680 --> 00:30:50,920
with extraterrestrials. And I made that connection that, you know,

574
00:30:50,920 --> 00:30:54,599
because I've always been fascinated with angels and demons and

575
00:30:55,079 --> 00:30:59,559
just unseen things. Yeah, I realized that they were talking

576
00:30:59,559 --> 00:31:02,559
about the same thing, just with a different language. And

577
00:31:02,799 --> 00:31:06,720
then and I realized, like so many different like movements

578
00:31:06,759 --> 00:31:10,640
fall out because of language issues. You know, they can

579
00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:12,920
be talking about the same thing, but they're using a

580
00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:15,240
different terminology, and like, no, you're talking about demons because

581
00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:17,000
you're not saying the same words as I am. Yes,

582
00:31:17,160 --> 00:31:19,480
Like I presume you've had that as well.

583
00:31:19,559 --> 00:31:23,079
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, we continue to have it for sure.

584
00:31:23,839 --> 00:31:26,599
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean you know. I know you notice your

585
00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:29,640
new album is it called White Magic. Yeah, I'll be

586
00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:33,240
getting that for sure. You know, just that alone would

587
00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:34,480
trigger right.

588
00:31:34,599 --> 00:31:37,160
Speaker 1: I was scared because I know that people are going

589
00:31:37,240 --> 00:31:39,559
to miss out on it because of the name. But

590
00:31:39,680 --> 00:31:43,440
it's with the creativity. It's the definitions, you know what

591
00:31:43,519 --> 00:31:45,839
I'm saying, Like, I want to do it, but I

592
00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:47,680
know that it's going to it's gonna challenge a lot

593
00:31:47,680 --> 00:31:49,759
of people, so I would hope that they don't miss

594
00:31:49,759 --> 00:31:53,039
out because there's a lot of spirit field music in there,

595
00:31:53,079 --> 00:31:55,799
you know, absolutely, and it looks more like a magical

596
00:31:56,039 --> 00:31:59,240
you know, a magic like you know, occultic kind of thing.

597
00:31:59,319 --> 00:32:01,799
But it's court just means hidden, you know, it's all

598
00:32:02,119 --> 00:32:02,480
it is.

599
00:32:02,559 --> 00:32:05,720
Speaker 4: As agree. These are other things I've learned as well,

600
00:32:05,799 --> 00:32:08,480
is that you know, energy work and things like that,

601
00:32:08,519 --> 00:32:12,720
Like Jesus was the ultimate energy work. Fact, everything he

602
00:32:12,799 --> 00:32:17,839
did was was using what our energy systems, which is

603
00:32:18,319 --> 00:32:22,200
Christ within, you know, and he would he would manifest

604
00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:26,599
from this place of ascension and elevation. And I relate

605
00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:28,519
this to what's happening today. You know, there are many

606
00:32:28,519 --> 00:32:31,759
many people who are going through this ascension experience where

607
00:32:31,799 --> 00:32:37,440
they are having like deconstruction and losing the religion. But

608
00:32:37,519 --> 00:32:39,599
then I find a lot of people are going like

609
00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:42,680
into no man's land, like well what now, nothing's trial,

610
00:32:44,119 --> 00:32:47,079
like nothing's really real. And I'm like, no, dude, you

611
00:32:47,119 --> 00:32:49,839
know there there is a truth out there. It's just

612
00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:52,599
you know, we need to lose our illusions before we

613
00:32:52,839 --> 00:32:56,200
learn the truth, you know. And so I see people

614
00:32:56,240 --> 00:33:00,359
like ourselves as bridgemakers for these people. Look, you know,

615
00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:02,240
come and listen to this, come and see this, come

616
00:33:02,279 --> 00:33:03,839
and check this out. You know, there was a lot

617
00:33:03,839 --> 00:33:08,359
out there to be discovered. So I guess that leads

618
00:33:08,359 --> 00:33:13,519
me to where I am today. I discovering the universal

619
00:33:13,599 --> 00:33:17,599
Christ and the Christ that fills all in all. I

620
00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:20,279
began to recognize the Christ in others like I would

621
00:33:20,319 --> 00:33:22,839
listen to New Age teachers and things like that, and

622
00:33:23,599 --> 00:33:27,680
even Hindu gurus and Buddhist teachers and meditators and things

623
00:33:27,720 --> 00:33:30,680
like that, and I realized that we're all talking about

624
00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:35,119
the same thing. We're all tapping into that inner reality

625
00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:37,880
which we call Christ. They might call it Chi or

626
00:33:38,839 --> 00:33:43,920
whatever whatever they call it, this inner world UNDERLINI exactly.

627
00:33:43,960 --> 00:33:46,759
I remember, you know CUMDERLINI. You know, people would share

628
00:33:46,759 --> 00:33:49,720
that saying, oh, it's demons. Demons are making them fling around.

629
00:33:49,759 --> 00:33:51,720
But if it was a church meeting, they'd be like, oh,

630
00:33:51,880 --> 00:33:53,200
that's all right, that's the Holy Spirit.

631
00:33:53,759 --> 00:33:56,119
Speaker 1: Now they're getting more scrutiny now that that term is

632
00:33:56,319 --> 00:34:01,480
more disgusting. There's videos on it now out like hardcore

633
00:34:01,599 --> 00:34:05,160
like Baptist kind of people, or point at Bethel and

634
00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:08,599
say Bethel is operating under the Cundalini. Like they would

635
00:34:08,639 --> 00:34:11,519
say that that's not even the Holy Spirit, it's the Cundalini.

636
00:34:11,559 --> 00:34:13,559
It's like, oh my god, you guys are so silly.

637
00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:16,400
Speaker 4: I know, I know. And again that proves the language

638
00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:18,880
issue that we're talking the same thing. If I say

639
00:34:18,880 --> 00:34:21,480
the anointance of the Holy Spirit or Cundalini, we're talking

640
00:34:21,519 --> 00:34:24,519
about the same thing. Come on, guys, grow up. You know.

641
00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:27,679
Speaker 1: Well it's so I mean, you know, the terms in

642
00:34:27,719 --> 00:34:30,039
the phrase is they they do have, you know, slightly

643
00:34:30,039 --> 00:34:34,320
different meanings because like people work with that energy and

644
00:34:34,360 --> 00:34:38,280
then they make you say doctrines behind it or ways

645
00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:41,039
that we can interact with it. There's ways that you

646
00:34:41,079 --> 00:34:44,119
can interact with cundalini that I've never heard that you

647
00:34:44,159 --> 00:34:47,760
interact with the Holy Spirit. And so therefore, when you

648
00:34:48,280 --> 00:34:52,320
say those terms when you start, when you start researching Kundalini,

649
00:34:52,360 --> 00:34:57,320
you're gonna find different traditions, You're going to find different modalities,

650
00:34:57,400 --> 00:35:01,960
different manifestations. And so for the Chris who's just you know,

651
00:35:03,079 --> 00:35:05,880
the simplicity of the Holy Spirit, if you will, it

652
00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:08,599
seems a little bit different. And so there's the fear that, hey,

653
00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:11,719
you may get caught up in some weird doctrines that

654
00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:15,400
we don't vouch for and we may think are demonic

655
00:35:15,559 --> 00:35:20,039
or harmful that leads you away from Christ. But so

656
00:35:20,119 --> 00:35:24,679
that that's the Christian that is afraid of that word,

657
00:35:24,840 --> 00:35:27,840
right because it's a different it's a different spirit. But

658
00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:31,800
the same could be said for Holy Spirit just using

659
00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:34,039
that word, like how many churches are going to give

660
00:35:34,039 --> 00:35:38,000
you different ways to interact with the Holy Spirit, different

661
00:35:39,480 --> 00:35:43,320
limitations on just the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit doesn't

662
00:35:43,320 --> 00:35:46,920
speak like that anymore. Brother. The Holy Spirit is only

663
00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:48,960
here to convict you, you know. And so there's all

664
00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:53,400
of these weird doctrines that still lead you astray in

665
00:35:53,440 --> 00:35:57,840
your understanding and interaction with the precious Holy Spirit. So

666
00:35:57,880 --> 00:36:01,400
it's the same. It doesn't matter that terminology, you know,

667
00:36:01,599 --> 00:36:04,599
just by saying as long as we keep it biblical

668
00:36:04,639 --> 00:36:07,599
because that word is in the Bible and people are

669
00:36:07,599 --> 00:36:10,239
familiar with it, it's still it can still lead people

670
00:36:10,280 --> 00:36:14,519
to John MacArthur, who says that listen, the gifts of

671
00:36:14,559 --> 00:36:17,119
the Spirit are done away with. Jesus doesn't operate like

672
00:36:17,159 --> 00:36:19,400
that anymore, and all of that kind of stuff, you know,

673
00:36:19,440 --> 00:36:24,000
which is just as dangerous from a Christian perspective. I

674
00:36:24,079 --> 00:36:26,719
would say, you know, we're trying to point fingers.

675
00:36:27,039 --> 00:36:30,119
Speaker 4: Yep, No, I just just came to my mind. Then again,

676
00:36:30,360 --> 00:36:32,920
you know, the Celtic Saints and the Celtic Christians used

677
00:36:32,920 --> 00:36:37,079
to call the Holy Spirit of the wild goose. That's

678
00:36:37,119 --> 00:36:38,360
not in the Bible, but that's how.

679
00:36:38,760 --> 00:36:43,480
Speaker 1: You catch the wild goose exactly. And I caught it wow.

680
00:36:43,760 --> 00:36:46,719
Speaker 4: Exactly, you know, because that's how they related to to

681
00:36:46,719 --> 00:36:50,039
to it, you know, And that's totally cool. That's totally fine.

682
00:36:50,039 --> 00:36:52,320
And I'm sure the Holy Sir absolutely loves being called

683
00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:54,440
the wild goose, you know what I mean, there's where

684
00:36:54,440 --> 00:36:55,760
you get a wild goose chase, you know.

685
00:36:55,960 --> 00:36:57,639
Speaker 1: But do this is stay on there for a second.

686
00:36:57,679 --> 00:37:00,840
I mean, because the Holy Spirit is not a name,

687
00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:04,440
like we think that that's his name, like like people

688
00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:07,360
even some of the charismatic movements have like said that

689
00:37:07,360 --> 00:37:09,239
that's his name, they call him. You can't you have

690
00:37:09,320 --> 00:37:12,400
to even take THEE out of it, because THEE is

691
00:37:12,519 --> 00:37:16,719
like an object. Holy Spirit as a name is first name,

692
00:37:16,760 --> 00:37:19,719
holy second name. Spirit as a friend or as a person,

693
00:37:20,639 --> 00:37:22,880
and uh, you say, yeah, man, holy spirit's here, and

694
00:37:23,119 --> 00:37:24,960
you know, Holy Spirit told me this a holy spirit,

695
00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:27,360
that holy and they kind of try to personalize it

696
00:37:27,360 --> 00:37:30,880
that way. But if the word just means a set

697
00:37:30,920 --> 00:37:35,960
apart essence, something holy, something different, doesn't mean that that's

698
00:37:36,039 --> 00:37:38,559
it's name that you have to address it by. It

699
00:37:38,599 --> 00:37:43,119
is just means it's a sacred energy, a sacred essence,

700
00:37:43,159 --> 00:37:46,159
a sacred breath, if you will. And so that's what

701
00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:49,559
connects all of these things together. It's not the terminology

702
00:37:49,639 --> 00:37:53,800
or the name. Because other translations say holy ghost, and

703
00:37:53,840 --> 00:37:56,440
people are scared of that. There's this movement to say

704
00:37:56,440 --> 00:37:58,760
he's not a ghost, the ghost is a disembodied spirit

705
00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:02,079
of a deceased left relative or something. It's like, we

706
00:38:02,079 --> 00:38:03,719
don't need to call them holy God. So there's this

707
00:38:03,880 --> 00:38:08,079
weird doctrines on something that's probably shouldn't even be a

708
00:38:08,119 --> 00:38:11,199
doctor behind anyway. You know what I'm saying, exactly.

709
00:38:12,199 --> 00:38:15,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, So I just just thinking about it then as well,

710
00:38:17,480 --> 00:38:20,039
I say that the language barrier has been a real problem.

711
00:38:20,119 --> 00:38:22,519
So when I've gone into sort of what would the

712
00:38:22,519 --> 00:38:25,440
classes new age circles, I don't like calling it new age.

713
00:38:25,480 --> 00:38:27,599
Speaker 1: So I don't like it because the Christians use that

714
00:38:27,639 --> 00:38:28,480
as a bad word.

715
00:38:28,760 --> 00:38:29,280
Speaker 4: Exactly.

716
00:38:29,800 --> 00:38:30,039
Speaker 1: Yeah.

717
00:38:30,199 --> 00:38:32,480
Speaker 4: Yeah, And I know I appreciate, you know, some people

718
00:38:32,480 --> 00:38:41,239
you associate with coined the next stage school. But I

719
00:38:41,320 --> 00:38:44,000
just I just think I have learned so much because

720
00:38:44,039 --> 00:38:46,840
I don't claim to be an expert at all. I've

721
00:38:46,840 --> 00:38:49,039
gone into new age circles and I've just listened to

722
00:38:49,119 --> 00:38:51,679
them like you do. And I have learned so much

723
00:38:51,920 --> 00:38:55,920
through just engaging them and what they have to offer.

724
00:38:56,440 --> 00:39:01,360
And it doesn't contradict the vibe, It doesn't contradict. It

725
00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:05,559
might contradicts are understanding of the Bible. Yeah, it doesn't

726
00:39:05,559 --> 00:39:09,920
contradict the Christian message. In fact, in many ways, they're

727
00:39:09,920 --> 00:39:12,239
doing the stuff a lot more than Christians are.

728
00:39:13,480 --> 00:39:16,519
Speaker 1: And that's what that was a big part of my awakening,

729
00:39:17,400 --> 00:39:19,639
just seeing, you know, it is the universal Christ because

730
00:39:19,679 --> 00:39:22,679
hold on, how would these people bearing fruit? And that's

731
00:39:22,679 --> 00:39:25,840
what I started judging people by. I started judging myself

732
00:39:25,920 --> 00:39:28,719
by you know, things that I'm watching. What is the

733
00:39:28,760 --> 00:39:31,599
fruit that comes from this? And so that could come

734
00:39:31,639 --> 00:39:34,599
from you know, a new age teaching or new age

735
00:39:34,719 --> 00:39:37,880
music or whatever spiritual music. It's like, what is the

736
00:39:38,239 --> 00:39:40,639
How does this music make me feel? It makes me

737
00:39:40,719 --> 00:39:45,079
feel more connected to people, it makes me feel more

738
00:39:45,079 --> 00:39:48,159
connected to nature. There's no Christian music that does that.

739
00:39:48,239 --> 00:39:50,480
It makes me Christian music makes me feel more connected

740
00:39:50,519 --> 00:39:54,119
to Christ, for sure, but what about connected to everyone

741
00:39:54,119 --> 00:39:56,360
else as an extension of me, as to being part

742
00:39:56,400 --> 00:39:58,719
of the body of Christ even, you know. And so

743
00:39:58,920 --> 00:40:01,079
just judging the fruit, and I just started to judge

744
00:40:01,199 --> 00:40:05,360
everything by the fruit. And I started, you know, paying

745
00:40:05,400 --> 00:40:08,119
attention to you know, people in the spiritual movements and

746
00:40:08,119 --> 00:40:12,639
stuff like that, or people even different denominations of Christianity,

747
00:40:12,719 --> 00:40:14,960
which was huge, you know, and starting to see fruit

748
00:40:15,400 --> 00:40:17,920
in these people's lives, and I had to judge it.

749
00:40:17,960 --> 00:40:24,199
I say, yeah, this is good fruit. This is peace, joy, patience, love, kindness,

750
00:40:24,239 --> 00:40:28,880
all indicators that this person is spending time with the

751
00:40:28,920 --> 00:40:31,480
Holy Spirit, because those are the fruits of this spirit.

752
00:40:31,760 --> 00:40:34,559
That this stuff will naturally come out of your life.

753
00:40:34,920 --> 00:40:38,760
And I started seeing that in others and I wasn't

754
00:40:38,840 --> 00:40:42,719
seeing it in Christians. I was seeing it in Hindus,

755
00:40:43,079 --> 00:40:47,159
and I was seeing it in people into eufology, you

756
00:40:47,199 --> 00:40:49,679
know what I'm saying. But I wasn't seeing it in

757
00:40:49,719 --> 00:40:53,000
certain Christians. And so those certain Christians got that pass

758
00:40:53,440 --> 00:40:56,800
because they called themselves Christians and they used the Bible,

759
00:40:57,159 --> 00:40:59,360
but they had no fruit in their lives. They may

760
00:40:59,400 --> 00:41:04,119
be racist, judgmental, big at it, hateful, but they get

761
00:41:04,119 --> 00:41:07,760
a pass because they're one of us. No exactly, I'm

762
00:41:07,840 --> 00:41:11,159
judging by the fruit, and that person is one of me.

763
00:41:11,599 --> 00:41:14,079
The person that you've said that that Christ isn't in

764
00:41:14,119 --> 00:41:17,599
them and he's not dealing with them because they haven't,

765
00:41:17,719 --> 00:41:21,880
you know, said this prayer. And so that revolutionized things

766
00:41:21,920 --> 00:41:25,679
for me and and started seeing the universal Christ Christ

767
00:41:25,719 --> 00:41:29,400
in everything and everyone who has redeemed the entire cosmoson to.

768
00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:35,360
Speaker 4: Himself exactly exactly. And I mean I was in meditation

769
00:41:36,480 --> 00:41:39,159
good few years ago now, and you know when you

770
00:41:39,199 --> 00:41:42,039
just get like a sentence dropped in and it's like

771
00:41:42,119 --> 00:41:46,960
I'm still unpacked. I just heard once the cosmos is

772
00:41:47,000 --> 00:41:50,760
contained within human DNA, just that, and it was just

773
00:41:51,559 --> 00:41:54,480
you know, I was just like WHOA. And I'm still

774
00:41:54,559 --> 00:41:55,719
like whoa about it.

775
00:41:55,760 --> 00:41:55,960
Speaker 1: You know.

776
00:41:56,960 --> 00:42:00,800
Speaker 4: It's like, because I've been learning need to go within

777
00:42:00,880 --> 00:42:02,480
and when you go with it and you can go out.

778
00:42:03,079 --> 00:42:08,559
Speaker 6: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah exactly so and I realized that

779
00:42:08,559 --> 00:42:10,960
that this is why it's so important that, you know,

780
00:42:11,199 --> 00:42:14,320
the fullness of what we call God had to incarnate

781
00:42:14,360 --> 00:42:14,920
as a human.

782
00:42:15,280 --> 00:42:15,519
Speaker 1: You know.

783
00:42:17,679 --> 00:42:22,000
Speaker 4: But again with that doc trinally, you know, we I mean,

784
00:42:22,039 --> 00:42:23,599
I've got Mike tread on some toes here.

785
00:42:23,599 --> 00:42:26,360
Speaker 1: We just have so many questions and it's okay to question.

786
00:42:26,719 --> 00:42:31,599
Speaker 4: Yeah exactly. Yeah, yeah, that's exactly why I have. I

787
00:42:31,639 --> 00:42:34,400
have more questions than I have answered, and that's okay,

788
00:42:34,559 --> 00:42:37,719
you know. So, I mean I think just a neighborhand

789
00:42:37,719 --> 00:42:40,519
said once that's an invitation into mystery, you know, just

790
00:42:40,519 --> 00:42:42,519
just go with it. And I just like I love that,

791
00:42:43,280 --> 00:42:45,480
you know, the Christian culture that we had, that we

792
00:42:45,599 --> 00:42:49,320
worshiped Jesus as some superior god. He is one of us,

793
00:42:50,039 --> 00:42:51,840
you know. I don't go to the shop and worship

794
00:42:51,880 --> 00:42:55,239
this person behind the counter, you know, and they're just

795
00:42:55,280 --> 00:42:59,079
as w' war one. And that was Jesus' message. And

796
00:42:59,119 --> 00:43:04,039
I was just like this whole worship culture and I'm

797
00:43:04,039 --> 00:43:06,599
not about like, don't put this a way. The way

798
00:43:06,639 --> 00:43:09,400
I see worship going and music and things, it's coming

799
00:43:09,519 --> 00:43:12,000
from a place of union, from a place of being

800
00:43:12,159 --> 00:43:16,559
seated together with Christ and manifesting moving into the world

801
00:43:16,719 --> 00:43:21,039
from this place of higher consciousness. I think that's that's

802
00:43:21,079 --> 00:43:23,599
how music is going to move in, you know, in

803
00:43:23,679 --> 00:43:27,000
the in the well now, I think you're we're tapping

804
00:43:27,000 --> 00:43:30,440
into that, you know what I mean. And rather than

805
00:43:30,639 --> 00:43:34,079
being from the earth going into heaven and meeting God,

806
00:43:34,119 --> 00:43:36,599
we're actually wordy in that place, and we're moving into

807
00:43:36,639 --> 00:43:39,920
the earth from that place, and we're expressing ourselves with music,

808
00:43:39,960 --> 00:43:44,840
with sounds, with words, poetry, et cetera. And we're bringing

809
00:43:45,519 --> 00:43:48,000
Heaven to the earth through our art and our music,

810
00:43:48,079 --> 00:43:48,519
et cetera.

811
00:43:49,559 --> 00:43:54,840
Speaker 1: And just how God brought heaven to earth is through creativity.

812
00:43:54,559 --> 00:43:57,679
Speaker 4: Co creators. This is it. You know, we are co included,

813
00:43:57,800 --> 00:44:02,039
co creators with God. That's our purpose as a species.

814
00:44:02,679 --> 00:44:04,920
And I think many people are doing that without even

815
00:44:04,960 --> 00:44:06,719
knowing it. I mean, I think about Elon Musk, and

816
00:44:06,719 --> 00:44:08,199
I don't know what I think about the guy, to

817
00:44:08,239 --> 00:44:10,199
be honest with you, but he's doing some stuff that

818
00:44:10,239 --> 00:44:13,800
he could really benefit humanity in a massive way. I mean,

819
00:44:14,480 --> 00:44:16,840
I really believe we're going into stellar I believe that

820
00:44:16,840 --> 00:44:19,480
as a species, we should be occupying at least two

821
00:44:19,519 --> 00:44:24,159
other planets, That's my opinion, And that we had the technologies,

822
00:44:24,239 --> 00:44:27,320
you know, wormhole technologies, portal technologies, that we can just

823
00:44:27,400 --> 00:44:30,840
go to Mars like that, you know. I don't know,

824
00:44:30,880 --> 00:44:33,199
have you ever heard of this. I've mentioned this before

825
00:44:33,239 --> 00:44:38,079
in other interviews, But the whistleblower he had a fake name,

826
00:44:38,320 --> 00:44:40,559
Henry Deacon, but he was really called Arthur Newman.

827
00:44:40,599 --> 00:44:44,400
Speaker 1: Have you ever heard of him? Not particularly? But was

828
00:44:44,480 --> 00:44:47,480
it like a time traveler kind of thing or no, it.

829
00:44:47,360 --> 00:44:50,079
Speaker 4: Was, well, it was a it worked. It was American,

830
00:44:51,119 --> 00:44:54,079
but he worked here in the UK, a military base.

831
00:44:54,079 --> 00:44:55,239
I don't know which one it was. I think it

832
00:44:55,280 --> 00:44:58,920
was somewhere down down south towards London Way. And he

833
00:44:59,000 --> 00:45:01,440
basically said, look, I would go to work in the morning.

834
00:45:01,519 --> 00:45:05,320
I'd walk down this corridor from this this military base

835
00:45:05,559 --> 00:45:07,519
in the UK, and I've come out the other side

836
00:45:07,519 --> 00:45:09,480
and i was on Mars, and I'd go and work

837
00:45:09,519 --> 00:45:11,159
for the day, doing my work, and then i'd come

838
00:45:11,199 --> 00:45:13,880
home and i'd go home for tea, you know, And

839
00:45:13,920 --> 00:45:16,480
I was just like, sorry, what you.

840
00:45:16,480 --> 00:45:18,519
Speaker 1: Know, it's kind of like Corey Good kind of stuff.

841
00:45:19,360 --> 00:45:23,639
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, it was it was Kerry Cassidy that actually

842
00:45:23,719 --> 00:45:27,480
got this guy to come forward, and he did a

843
00:45:27,480 --> 00:45:31,679
few he's disappeared again now he did a few Jumber

844
00:45:32,119 --> 00:45:34,719
Bob Dean. Did you want to hear Bob Dean? He

845
00:45:34,760 --> 00:45:38,039
did some some conferences with Bob Dean and Kerry Cassidy

846
00:45:38,119 --> 00:45:40,519
and this they're on YouTube if people want to watch him.

847
00:45:40,559 --> 00:45:45,239
You know, amazing amazing information, you know, and these things

848
00:45:45,280 --> 00:45:50,320
just they just opened my mind, you know, just the possibilities,

849
00:45:50,360 --> 00:45:54,280
you know. So again, this is this is the journey

850
00:45:54,320 --> 00:45:56,719
I've been on. And I look at myself now and

851
00:45:56,760 --> 00:45:58,559
I think if ten years ago I could look at

852
00:45:58,599 --> 00:46:00,880
me now, I'd be like, I have lost the law, you.

853
00:46:00,840 --> 00:46:01,320
Speaker 1: Know what I mean.

854
00:46:01,800 --> 00:46:03,599
Speaker 4: That's a good thing. It shows we're growing, you know,

855
00:46:03,599 --> 00:46:06,119
because if we stay from teen I know people that

856
00:46:06,760 --> 00:46:08,320
you know, we've been going to church and doing the

857
00:46:08,360 --> 00:46:11,480
same things for like fifty sixty years and have never changed.

858
00:46:11,480 --> 00:46:12,679
I'm like, what's it with that?

859
00:46:13,199 --> 00:46:15,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, and it works for him. You got

860
00:46:15,920 --> 00:46:16,840
to find what's working.

861
00:46:17,159 --> 00:46:18,559
Speaker 4: Well, that's all true.

862
00:46:18,719 --> 00:46:22,639
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's that simplicity. It's that you know, this is

863
00:46:22,679 --> 00:46:24,880
the way things are and I'm okay with it, you know,

864
00:46:25,000 --> 00:46:28,480
and like whatever's helping people, and if that's helping people,

865
00:46:28,519 --> 00:46:30,320
I'm for it, you know, I would. I would never

866
00:46:31,000 --> 00:46:33,320
you know, shape them and Christ is in all and

867
00:46:33,360 --> 00:46:35,480
through all. You need to need to see it like me.

868
00:46:35,599 --> 00:46:37,400
There's a reason you can't see it like me. You

869
00:46:37,480 --> 00:46:40,320
haven't been through what I've been through. You haven't seen

870
00:46:40,360 --> 00:46:43,159
what I've seen. But but God, God can awaken you.

871
00:46:43,679 --> 00:46:46,639
And that and that is, you know, a deep mystery

872
00:46:47,159 --> 00:46:49,039
that I think we all should see, right, I mean,

873
00:46:49,079 --> 00:46:53,000
obviously I think it is available for everybody, but we

874
00:46:53,039 --> 00:46:57,239
get to it through different ways. Sometimes they're very similar.

875
00:46:57,280 --> 00:46:59,800
I think awakening. The planet's going through a global of

876
00:46:59,840 --> 00:47:03,760
way and Christians are going through an awakening. But yeah,

877
00:47:03,800 --> 00:47:06,199
being able to see that that Christ, I don't know.

878
00:47:06,280 --> 00:47:09,119
Did you listen to you know. I'm a big Manly

879
00:47:09,159 --> 00:47:11,840
pee Hoff fan, and he had he has that book,

880
00:47:12,840 --> 00:47:15,760
The Way of the Lonely Ones, and he there's some

881
00:47:15,840 --> 00:47:20,239
original stories in there. But he wrote original story on

882
00:47:20,880 --> 00:47:23,400
the face of Christ. And it was just about this

883
00:47:23,480 --> 00:47:26,599
mystic who had an encounter with Christ in the woods

884
00:47:26,639 --> 00:47:31,480
and he met a hermit that he he drunken a

885
00:47:31,480 --> 00:47:34,599
magic elixir and then he can see Christ then everything

886
00:47:34,639 --> 00:47:37,400
and he was almost like plagued by his Savior because

887
00:47:37,639 --> 00:47:39,719
he would look into the water and the reflections, he

888
00:47:39,760 --> 00:47:41,960
would see Christ. He would look at the trees, and

889
00:47:42,000 --> 00:47:44,000
the trees he would see the face of his Savior.

890
00:47:44,280 --> 00:47:46,440
He'd look into the clouds and into the bugs, and

891
00:47:46,480 --> 00:47:49,000
every way he looked, he would see his Savior. And

892
00:47:49,039 --> 00:47:53,440
it was like this universal mystery that that plagued them.

893
00:47:53,440 --> 00:47:56,599
And then he's, uh, you know, was trying to recapture

894
00:47:56,599 --> 00:48:01,760
it and stuff and just this beauty to be able

895
00:48:01,840 --> 00:48:06,199
to see God or Christ in everything. And it's almost

896
00:48:06,320 --> 00:48:10,039
like it is a mystical experience to train yourself to

897
00:48:10,079 --> 00:48:13,800
look at something long enough until you see it. You know,

898
00:48:13,960 --> 00:48:18,639
like everything exists, good and the bad, in everything, in

899
00:48:18,679 --> 00:48:22,039
you and in me, in Christianity and the New Age

900
00:48:22,119 --> 00:48:24,800
and the Gospel. Listen, there's good and bad and you

901
00:48:24,840 --> 00:48:27,679
get to hold on and see what you want. And

902
00:48:28,400 --> 00:48:32,760
if you're an alchemist, you know, just you can extract

903
00:48:32,760 --> 00:48:34,840
it out of it, and you can pull something out

904
00:48:34,840 --> 00:48:37,360
of that. And Jesus was able to do that. Man,

905
00:48:37,679 --> 00:48:39,480
that's why he's so beautiful. He was able to go

906
00:48:39,519 --> 00:48:42,320
to broken people and see him whole. He would be

907
00:48:42,400 --> 00:48:45,360
able to see a version of them that existed without

908
00:48:45,360 --> 00:48:48,400
that ailment, a version of them that existed without the

909
00:48:48,480 --> 00:48:50,440
shame and the guilt and the condemnation. And he was

910
00:48:50,480 --> 00:48:52,440
able to pull it out of them so much so

911
00:48:52,559 --> 00:48:55,079
that he embodied that and he became that part of

912
00:48:55,119 --> 00:48:58,320
them that they hated. He became that part of them

913
00:48:58,360 --> 00:49:00,880
that other people hated and despise. So listen, I become

914
00:49:00,920 --> 00:49:03,559
your sin just so you can be free. And I'm

915
00:49:03,599 --> 00:49:06,239
gonna show you. I'm gonna embody it. It's no more

916
00:49:06,480 --> 00:49:09,400
you are sin free. And so like, that's the reason,

917
00:49:09,559 --> 00:49:12,880
like the message of the Gospel is so powerful, man,

918
00:49:13,000 --> 00:49:16,440
because he was able to alchemize sin, bro the parts

919
00:49:16,440 --> 00:49:18,679
of us that we hate about ourselves, the part of

920
00:49:18,760 --> 00:49:21,840
us that deserves to be judged, like he became that.

921
00:49:21,840 --> 00:49:24,559
That message is so liberating. And it's not just for

922
00:49:24,880 --> 00:49:28,199
church people. It is to explore the depths and to

923
00:49:28,199 --> 00:49:30,920
be able to see Him in all of it. Man.

924
00:49:31,039 --> 00:49:34,559
And there's nothing more mystical to me than that. Listen,

925
00:49:34,599 --> 00:49:36,840
I love it all, you know, I do. I love mushrooms,

926
00:49:36,920 --> 00:49:41,000
I love aliens and ets and angels and frequencies and

927
00:49:41,079 --> 00:49:43,800
all because he is in it all. I've trained myself

928
00:49:43,800 --> 00:49:46,840
to see Him in it all, because He is every

929
00:49:46,880 --> 00:49:50,199
Every good and perfect gift comes from the Father above.

930
00:49:50,679 --> 00:49:52,960
If it's good, it's God, you know. So when we

931
00:49:53,199 --> 00:49:56,679
that is a that is a mystery. That is you know,

932
00:49:56,760 --> 00:50:00,280
the essence of being a seeker of Christ or speaker

933
00:50:00,360 --> 00:50:02,360
of God man as the seeker of that which is

934
00:50:02,360 --> 00:50:03,440
good mhm.

935
00:50:04,800 --> 00:50:06,960
Speaker 4: Brilliantly said. And it just got me thinking when you

936
00:50:07,000 --> 00:50:11,679
were talking there, you know, because I've put a Facebook

937
00:50:11,719 --> 00:50:15,960
post out a while ago when I wasn't banned, just saying, look,

938
00:50:16,199 --> 00:50:22,519
I found more true friendship, camaraderie and heartfelt connection with

939
00:50:22,639 --> 00:50:24,920
people in the new so called New Age movement than

940
00:50:24,960 --> 00:50:27,880
I ever did in my history in church. There was

941
00:50:27,880 --> 00:50:31,960
always like an unspoken condition that you had to agree

942
00:50:32,000 --> 00:50:37,960
on everything in church and if you questioned or don't

943
00:50:38,000 --> 00:50:40,039
associate with them coming down a bad path. You know

944
00:50:40,079 --> 00:50:43,679
what I mean. It's all fear based. I found with

945
00:50:44,400 --> 00:50:47,760
you know, talking just talking to people in the New Age.

946
00:50:48,679 --> 00:50:54,039
I don't like that, but you know what I'm talking about. Community, Yeah,

947
00:50:54,199 --> 00:50:59,239
spiritual communities. I was nervous at first about saying where

948
00:50:59,280 --> 00:51:03,519
I'd come from and I believe and stuff and I

949
00:51:03,559 --> 00:51:07,840
absolutely do not go and and evangel try and evangelize

950
00:51:07,840 --> 00:51:11,039
them and make them think like me, I'm there to learn.

951
00:51:11,840 --> 00:51:13,519
But I mean I kind of said, you know, I've

952
00:51:13,519 --> 00:51:15,800
come from a Christian you know, I believe in Jesus,

953
00:51:15,840 --> 00:51:17,840
and you know what I find like, we totally love Jesus.

954
00:51:17,920 --> 00:51:20,280
Jesus is awesome. You know, He's a great guy. And

955
00:51:20,280 --> 00:51:22,079
some of them may say, yeah, he's an ascended master

956
00:51:22,239 --> 00:51:30,880
or whatever, or he is, he's my ascended Master, and uh.

957
00:51:31,119 --> 00:51:35,320
And I felt so accepted and so sort of like

958
00:51:36,320 --> 00:51:39,480
just like what I always wanted, what I always felt

959
00:51:39,519 --> 00:51:41,840
church should be, you know, and and it really wasn't.

960
00:51:43,400 --> 00:51:45,639
And I know that there is rising up now, there

961
00:51:45,639 --> 00:51:47,159
are movements. I mean, I like say, I look at

962
00:51:47,280 --> 00:51:49,440
Kingdom Talks and things like that, and people like yourself

963
00:51:49,480 --> 00:51:52,199
who are really tapping into this. So you just feel

964
00:51:52,280 --> 00:51:55,639
safe around these, you know, just to be yourself and

965
00:51:56,280 --> 00:51:59,480
keep your truth. And that's really encouraging to me that

966
00:51:59,519 --> 00:52:01,159
there are Christians getting it, you know.

967
00:52:01,480 --> 00:52:03,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, And that's one of the things too, because you know,

968
00:52:03,719 --> 00:52:06,320
we gotta you know, you know, we have to say

969
00:52:06,360 --> 00:52:08,719
those names and let people know that there are people

970
00:52:09,000 --> 00:52:13,800
who are christ occentric christ centered teachers who were you know,

971
00:52:14,000 --> 00:52:16,639
really good at what they do of challenging the status

972
00:52:16,679 --> 00:52:21,679
quo and embracing the mystery, and they're still Christ is

973
00:52:21,679 --> 00:52:24,360
the foundation. You know, the Gospel is the foundation. And

974
00:52:24,880 --> 00:52:28,039
they have a beautiful revelation of the Gospel. So just

975
00:52:28,079 --> 00:52:30,039
so people know that you don't have to leave your faith,

976
00:52:30,119 --> 00:52:32,480
you know, that's my big thing is like listen, take

977
00:52:32,559 --> 00:52:35,079
Christ with you. Like you know, the reason I've been

978
00:52:35,159 --> 00:52:37,559
able to be out there in deep water and have

979
00:52:37,639 --> 00:52:40,719
my head above water and not drown is because He

980
00:52:40,880 --> 00:52:44,119
is my floatation device. Like Christ is is my life

981
00:52:44,239 --> 00:52:47,360
pres r. He is a life preserver. And so you know,

982
00:52:47,480 --> 00:52:50,239
He is the foundation. Anything that's built upon that foundation,

983
00:52:50,519 --> 00:52:52,880
which is the foundation of love, everything is going to

984
00:52:52,920 --> 00:52:55,440
be shaken. It's just the scripture says it. But anything

985
00:52:55,440 --> 00:52:58,239
that is built upon that foundation will stand. And so

986
00:52:59,599 --> 00:53:01,639
you know, the lot of seekers, a lot of people

987
00:53:01,719 --> 00:53:05,360
who you know, they may feel similar to you in me,

988
00:53:06,840 --> 00:53:09,000
but they have to question your faith and question Christ.

989
00:53:09,079 --> 00:53:12,800
Then can I be vocal? Can I use the name Jesus?

990
00:53:12,800 --> 00:53:14,840
Maybe I have to say Sonanda, Maybe I have to

991
00:53:14,840 --> 00:53:17,119
say yes you are you know what I'm saying? Or

992
00:53:17,199 --> 00:53:22,320
yahweh you know, listen, embrace all of those names, but

993
00:53:22,760 --> 00:53:25,559
take it with you because there is a growing movement

994
00:53:25,599 --> 00:53:29,840
of Christian mystics, Christian mysticism, Christians who won't judge you,

995
00:53:30,320 --> 00:53:33,159
and they're open. They may not believe or agree with

996
00:53:33,199 --> 00:53:37,079
it or or practice it, but listen, you know, live

997
00:53:37,119 --> 00:53:38,639
and let live kind of thing. As long as it

998
00:53:38,719 --> 00:53:42,960
isn't hurt in anybody, they're cool with it. And to see,

999
00:53:43,440 --> 00:53:47,360
one thing is a lot of older people stepping into this. Listen.

1000
00:53:47,400 --> 00:53:49,760
I just went to and seen you know, we went

1001
00:53:49,840 --> 00:53:52,639
and see Kirby Delannerole at the Five Day Program, went

1002
00:53:52,679 --> 00:53:56,239
and seen doctor Oh when doctor o Cam I got

1003
00:53:56,239 --> 00:53:58,840
to meet him. Listen, the majority of the people were

1004
00:53:58,840 --> 00:54:02,440
probably over sixty. Oh. Like, there's a lot of older

1005
00:54:02,480 --> 00:54:05,320
people who have been looking for this the whole life,

1006
00:54:05,920 --> 00:54:08,039
you know what I'm saying, and now they're stepping into it.

1007
00:54:08,119 --> 00:54:11,000
And it's so it's not just young people that are

1008
00:54:11,440 --> 00:54:13,760
you know, leaving the faith like people. There's a lot

1009
00:54:13,760 --> 00:54:16,760
of older people in these movements. And and there's church

1010
00:54:16,840 --> 00:54:19,639
services that embrace a lot of this stuff that we've

1011
00:54:19,639 --> 00:54:24,199
been told was new age or demonic that you know, uh,

1012
00:54:24,880 --> 00:54:27,039
you can you don't have to leave that. You just

1013
00:54:27,079 --> 00:54:29,079
got to find those people you have to go to

1014
00:54:29,159 --> 00:54:33,800
where you're celebrated and quit going where you're tolerated. Are

1015
00:54:33,880 --> 00:54:36,400
you still believe in that conspiracy stuff? Hey man, what's

1016
00:54:36,440 --> 00:54:39,280
the aliens doing this week? Or laughing at you and say, hey,

1017
00:54:39,760 --> 00:54:41,719
you know, it is what it is. But there's a

1018
00:54:41,800 --> 00:54:45,159
growing movement of people where churches are embracing all of

1019
00:54:45,199 --> 00:54:48,599
this stuff, you know, And it's beautiful. It is beautiful,

1020
00:54:48,599 --> 00:54:50,840
and it's ancient. You know what I'm saying. It's not

1021
00:54:51,039 --> 00:54:53,280
new age, it's not something new, it's something ancient. The

1022
00:54:53,320 --> 00:54:56,840
early Church understood this and they and they swim in

1023
00:54:56,880 --> 00:54:57,960
those waters for sure.

1024
00:55:00,239 --> 00:55:03,440
Speaker 4: Amazingly said you know, one of one things that has

1025
00:55:03,480 --> 00:55:05,559
fascinated me. I mean I mentioned this on I did

1026
00:55:05,559 --> 00:55:10,039
a talk again with with Karna and one of the

1027
00:55:10,079 --> 00:55:14,760
things part of my journey was going into the darker cult. Oh.

1028
00:55:14,760 --> 00:55:16,599
I think I mentioned it when when Seanelle and I

1029
00:55:16,639 --> 00:55:17,840
interviewed you as well.

1030
00:55:18,239 --> 00:55:20,639
Speaker 1: And thank you for doing that too. I know you

1031
00:55:21,199 --> 00:55:22,599
did you put a bug in her ear to have

1032
00:55:22,679 --> 00:55:25,119
me on and stuff because we've podcast, but not like

1033
00:55:25,239 --> 00:55:27,239
obviously it was like later epiphany.

1034
00:55:27,239 --> 00:55:30,840
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, tru you know, well, basically, I'm I'm very

1035
00:55:30,920 --> 00:55:32,400
much a guy who just lives in the moment, and

1036
00:55:32,440 --> 00:55:35,079
I just, you know, I'm a feeler and when something

1037
00:55:35,119 --> 00:55:37,559
comes into my field, I pick up on it. And

1038
00:55:37,599 --> 00:55:40,320
you just came into my field, you know, Sean Al

1039
00:55:40,360 --> 00:55:43,039
and I we we we interview people and like say,

1040
00:55:43,039 --> 00:55:45,159
we've had Elena, Danaan, and we've done stuff with Laura

1041
00:55:45,320 --> 00:55:48,000
and people, and you just came into my field. And

1042
00:55:49,320 --> 00:55:50,840
so I just said to Sean, actually, know, do you

1043
00:55:50,840 --> 00:55:52,719
know Derek Truth Seeker sort of thing? And she didn't

1044
00:55:52,760 --> 00:55:54,480
remember you at first, but then when when she looked,

1045
00:55:54,519 --> 00:55:57,639
She's like, oh, yeah, totally know him, you know. And

1046
00:55:57,679 --> 00:55:59,000
I said, We've got to interview this guy. We've got

1047
00:55:59,000 --> 00:56:00,760
a game on and have a conversation, you know, because

1048
00:56:00,760 --> 00:56:02,760
because I mean your work and you have been such

1049
00:56:03,000 --> 00:56:05,719
an influence and an inspiration in my life, I was like,

1050
00:56:05,880 --> 00:56:09,480
I'd love to have a chat about it, you know. So, yeah,

1051
00:56:09,480 --> 00:56:12,320
that's how that came about. And as it happens, I

1052
00:56:12,320 --> 00:56:14,360
think that's a great connection. You and seanel are definitely

1053
00:56:14,360 --> 00:56:18,079
on the same wavelength. And you know, she's she's singing

1054
00:56:18,079 --> 00:56:19,960
your praises, et cetera. And I think there might be

1055
00:56:19,960 --> 00:56:20,960
another one coming up soon.

1056
00:56:21,400 --> 00:56:23,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, we're doing some stuff. She's sitting me up with

1057
00:56:23,440 --> 00:56:25,599
all kind of ideas and I love it.

1058
00:56:25,679 --> 00:56:31,159
Speaker 4: So yeah, yeah, yeah, Yeah, she's great. She's wonderful. So yeah,

1059
00:56:31,199 --> 00:56:33,480
I don't know the thought. Yeah, So part of my

1060
00:56:33,559 --> 00:56:36,480
journey is I was I was kind of when I

1061
00:56:36,519 --> 00:56:39,880
discovered the Universal Christ, I was kind of pulled into

1062
00:56:40,800 --> 00:56:44,440
not to participate, but to discover the darker cult and

1063
00:56:46,719 --> 00:56:51,519
secret society is and that side of things. Now that

1064
00:56:51,519 --> 00:56:54,280
that side is in my DNA, you know, I had

1065
00:56:54,280 --> 00:56:56,639
a granddad who was who was a mason, and I

1066
00:56:56,639 --> 00:56:58,400
don't know how high upe he never spoke about it.

1067
00:56:58,400 --> 00:57:00,079
I never spoke to me about it, so that but

1068
00:57:00,119 --> 00:57:03,119
there's something there that fascinates me about it. And I

1069
00:57:03,199 --> 00:57:07,719
realized that they've just got the ancient wisdom, the ancient ways,

1070
00:57:07,800 --> 00:57:11,440
and the ancient knowledge, the hidden knowledge, you know. And

1071
00:57:11,440 --> 00:57:14,519
I've read a book recently it says it's obviously it's

1072
00:57:14,880 --> 00:57:18,360
e t based, you know that he goes back into

1073
00:57:18,360 --> 00:57:20,679
the anonarchy and all this kind of stuff in Egypt,

1074
00:57:22,239 --> 00:57:25,800
and there's a definite link there with today's secret societies

1075
00:57:25,840 --> 00:57:28,599
and why they keep the knowledge to themselves. But that's

1076
00:57:28,639 --> 00:57:31,039
what's so good about Jesus to me is he didn't

1077
00:57:31,079 --> 00:57:34,719
go and be a world leader. He wasn't a politician.

1078
00:57:34,920 --> 00:57:36,320
He was just a normal bloke.

1079
00:57:36,480 --> 00:57:37,000
Speaker 1: He came up.

1080
00:57:37,039 --> 00:57:39,960
Speaker 4: He was just a carpenter's son, you know, and you know,

1081
00:57:40,079 --> 00:57:42,599
we know the story. And he went to the people

1082
00:57:42,760 --> 00:57:44,880
and he gave them this knowledge. He gave them this

1083
00:57:45,599 --> 00:57:49,239
wisdom and said, you're it. You've got this inside of you.

1084
00:57:49,840 --> 00:57:52,280
And I think that's so important to today that we're

1085
00:57:52,320 --> 00:57:55,599
taking this knowledge and we're waking the normal people up.

1086
00:57:55,599 --> 00:57:58,519
I mean, my wife and I were a crystal shop

1087
00:57:59,199 --> 00:58:03,119
and online crystal shop called Crystal Falls, because we want

1088
00:58:03,199 --> 00:58:06,039
this technology in the hands of the common people, you know,

1089
00:58:06,039 --> 00:58:07,960
and this knowledge and how to use it and how

1090
00:58:08,000 --> 00:58:11,119
to cooperate with the crystals and things like that. It's

1091
00:58:11,119 --> 00:58:22,840
something that's really big on my heart, you know, you

1092
00:58:22,880 --> 00:58:23,159
hear me?

1093
00:58:23,320 --> 00:58:24,719
Speaker 1: Ye yeah, the crystals. Yeah.

1094
00:58:24,800 --> 00:58:31,320
Speaker 4: Oh sorry, sorry, I thought I were dead there. Yeah yeah, yes, So.

1095
00:58:31,079 --> 00:58:33,840
Speaker 1: So is that is that something that's thriving, you know,

1096
00:58:34,760 --> 00:58:36,480
running a crystal shop? Yeah?

1097
00:58:36,599 --> 00:58:38,280
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean again, it's one of that. We used

1098
00:58:38,320 --> 00:58:40,639
to go to a crystal shop in the place called

1099
00:58:40,639 --> 00:58:43,880
ghar Stand near us in the north of England and

1100
00:58:43,920 --> 00:58:46,320
it shut down and we were really disappointed and we're like, oh, no,

1101
00:58:46,400 --> 00:58:48,920
what shame. So it was like just one of those sparks.

1102
00:58:49,039 --> 00:58:49,920
Why don't we do it?

1103
00:58:50,119 --> 00:58:50,320
Speaker 1: You know.

1104
00:58:50,880 --> 00:58:53,159
Speaker 4: And granted we haven't done a physical shop yet because

1105
00:58:53,159 --> 00:58:55,760
of all the stuff that's going on, you know, there's

1106
00:58:55,760 --> 00:58:58,920
no high street presence anymore or anything like that. Yeah,

1107
00:58:59,320 --> 00:59:01,280
so we set it up, set it up online, and

1108
00:59:01,559 --> 00:59:03,679
it was like things just fell into place again, like

1109
00:59:03,719 --> 00:59:08,239
synchronicities and you know, everything just it just just worked

1110
00:59:08,320 --> 00:59:10,599
really well and easily and smooth as well. So thought,

1111
00:59:10,639 --> 00:59:12,159
oh that you know, this has got grace on it

1112
00:59:12,199 --> 00:59:15,320
for sure, and and you know it's paying for itself.

1113
00:59:15,440 --> 00:59:19,239
And we're off. We've been going for six months and.

1114
00:59:18,719 --> 00:59:20,519
Speaker 1: You guys are doing this together full time, like a

1115
00:59:20,559 --> 00:59:21,360
full time income.

1116
00:59:21,599 --> 00:59:24,760
Speaker 4: No, it's it's my wolves, my wife's full time thing.

1117
00:59:25,519 --> 00:59:27,519
I just help out. I set it up and then

1118
00:59:27,559 --> 00:59:29,760
I sort of said, you know, for her to run,

1119
00:59:29,960 --> 00:59:33,199
so it's like a self running machine. And she's brilliant.

1120
00:59:33,199 --> 00:59:36,480
She's so like, puts love and care into every package

1121
00:59:36,480 --> 00:59:39,800
that she puts together, and she sent sending stuff all

1122
00:59:39,800 --> 00:59:43,199
across the country. You know, you know, we we have

1123
00:59:43,280 --> 00:59:47,599
a marketing company, do our Internet marketing and it more

1124
00:59:47,639 --> 00:59:49,599
than pays for all that. And it's just it's just

1125
00:59:49,599 --> 00:59:52,280
gone from strength to strength and he loves it. She

1126
00:59:52,360 --> 00:59:56,079
absolutely loves it because she's an EmPATH, you know. She

1127
00:59:56,079 --> 00:59:58,960
she's a spiritual person and she just sends them out

1128
00:59:58,960 --> 01:00:01,559
with with with love and tension, you know, and people

1129
01:00:01,559 --> 01:00:04,280
can feel that when they get it, you know, at

1130
01:00:04,320 --> 01:00:06,239
this because you know crystals, that's what they do.

1131
01:00:07,639 --> 01:00:11,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, charged with energy, man, for sure. What do you

1132
01:00:11,880 --> 01:00:12,480
do for a living?

1133
01:00:14,000 --> 01:00:20,519
Speaker 4: Me? Well, I have a job in a local council. Actually, uh,

1134
01:00:21,239 --> 01:00:25,880
my my career. I've never had a career anything like that.

1135
01:00:25,880 --> 01:00:31,920
I've never had anything that's like ambitions or anything like

1136
01:00:31,920 --> 01:00:34,239
that because I've always I mean, as I said before,

1137
01:00:34,480 --> 01:00:39,519
my heart is in music and you know, I played drums.

1138
01:00:39,559 --> 01:00:42,480
I've always played drums, and I'm in the band and

1139
01:00:42,599 --> 01:00:48,239
the sension just a bit of plug in so and

1140
01:00:48,239 --> 01:00:50,519
and when we have albums out there, if people want

1141
01:00:50,519 --> 01:00:53,920
to check us out and stuff like, I say that

1142
01:00:54,039 --> 01:00:57,440
that's we're moving forward in that and and you know

1143
01:00:57,480 --> 01:01:01,440
we've we've been on labels and things like that. Incidentally,

1144
01:01:01,679 --> 01:01:03,360
as a side note, we actually had a guy called

1145
01:01:03,440 --> 01:01:05,440
Eric Gillette mix our last album Who's in a band

1146
01:01:05,440 --> 01:01:11,039
with Mike Pornoy and Dream Theater. So you know, we're

1147
01:01:11,079 --> 01:01:15,719
just making connections again, utilizing social media and you know,

1148
01:01:15,840 --> 01:01:18,760
just just meeting new people. And yeah, I mean we

1149
01:01:18,800 --> 01:01:20,760
were supposed to do the biggest gig of our of

1150
01:01:20,800 --> 01:01:25,360
our lives just before Lockdowns with Rick Weightman from Yes

1151
01:01:25,400 --> 01:01:26,079
I don't know if you know.

1152
01:01:26,079 --> 01:01:29,360
Speaker 1: Him, Okay, No, I mean I know the band, but

1153
01:01:29,400 --> 01:01:30,280
I don't, I don't know.

1154
01:01:30,440 --> 01:01:32,760
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, and that that was pretty huge for us.

1155
01:01:32,760 --> 01:01:39,119
And obviously it didn't happen because everything lockdown, So things

1156
01:01:39,119 --> 01:01:43,199
are rolling, and I just really get a strong sense

1157
01:01:43,320 --> 01:01:48,519
that that what's happening now is going to cause such

1158
01:01:48,639 --> 01:01:52,559
massive shifts on a positive in a positive way, that

1159
01:01:52,760 --> 01:01:54,480
I really do believe that there's gonna be a world

1160
01:01:54,480 --> 01:01:58,719
where we can do mm hmm, that that many of

1161
01:01:58,760 --> 01:02:00,840
the things that stop us from doing what we're here

1162
01:02:00,880 --> 01:02:04,519
to do, like financial situation, things like that, I think

1163
01:02:04,519 --> 01:02:06,679
they're all going to be resolved, and I think there's

1164
01:02:06,679 --> 01:02:08,559
going to be a world birth out of all this

1165
01:02:08,679 --> 01:02:09,559
crap that's going on.

1166
01:02:09,760 --> 01:02:12,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's hard to even talk about that because so

1167
01:02:12,400 --> 01:02:16,039
many people, you know, it's scary. You know, we're going

1168
01:02:16,079 --> 01:02:21,280
through some troubling times, and uh, it's hard to look

1169
01:02:21,320 --> 01:02:23,280
at that, and and I don't know how much we

1170
01:02:23,639 --> 01:02:25,679
can or should talk about it, but I will say

1171
01:02:25,760 --> 01:02:30,039
that I have been a huge proponent of the Venus

1172
01:02:30,079 --> 01:02:33,880
project and with Jock Fresco and everything that he brought

1173
01:02:33,920 --> 01:02:37,239
to the table and designs, and it very is much

1174
01:02:37,320 --> 01:02:44,679
a futuristic, uh, look of using machines and using nature together.

1175
01:02:45,280 --> 01:02:47,639
And then I find out I didn't want to look

1176
01:02:47,679 --> 01:02:50,000
into this because I've really been staying away from much

1177
01:02:50,039 --> 01:02:54,000
of the conspiracies for many different reasons. But I finally

1178
01:02:54,119 --> 01:02:58,400
looked into what the great reset could be or whatever, right,

1179
01:02:58,440 --> 01:03:00,559
And so I looked into some of that, and I said, oh, wow,

1180
01:03:01,039 --> 01:03:04,599
maybe there is a potential of something good coming out

1181
01:03:04,639 --> 01:03:07,960
of something tragic, you know. And so that's my prayer,

1182
01:03:08,000 --> 01:03:09,960
that's my hope. We don't know. I don't know what

1183
01:03:10,000 --> 01:03:12,599
the hell is going on, none of us do. We

1184
01:03:12,639 --> 01:03:14,719
need to embrace each other right now. We need to

1185
01:03:14,760 --> 01:03:17,920
embrace every moment, We need to embrace every breath. This

1186
01:03:18,079 --> 01:03:20,320
is stuff we've been preaching for years. This is the

1187
01:03:20,320 --> 01:03:23,679
heart of spirituality. This is the heart of what we

1188
01:03:23,719 --> 01:03:25,960
bring to the table, is to live in the moment

1189
01:03:26,239 --> 01:03:28,880
because you're not promised tomorrow. It's just it is what

1190
01:03:28,920 --> 01:03:30,679
it is. And so if we can get the world

1191
01:03:30,760 --> 01:03:33,559
to be present, to walk in love, these are the

1192
01:03:33,559 --> 01:03:39,199
things that Christ did. So with that being said, you know, hopefully, man,

1193
01:03:39,239 --> 01:03:41,920
we can we can see a better humanity and a

1194
01:03:42,239 --> 01:03:45,440
better tomorrow coming and we can fight for it and

1195
01:03:45,440 --> 01:03:48,480
and and project it out there, you know, with not

1196
01:03:48,599 --> 01:03:50,840
with fear, but with faith. And it's hard right now,

1197
01:03:50,960 --> 01:03:54,000
it's very hard, but I think it can be done.

1198
01:03:54,159 --> 01:03:59,199
Speaker 4: I absolutely of the opinion that this is a time

1199
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when when people are going to start standing up who

1200
01:04:02,840 --> 01:04:05,599
have a heart for humanity. There's going to be a

1201
01:04:05,639 --> 01:04:08,519
shift in sort of leadership roles and things like that.

1202
01:04:10,119 --> 01:04:12,800
And I think, you know, certainly you look at like

1203
01:04:12,840 --> 01:04:16,039
the music industry and stuff like that. I think people

1204
01:04:16,039 --> 01:04:18,679
are rising up now who want to create a fair

1205
01:04:18,719 --> 01:04:22,039
and equal world, and not in a liberal sense, not

1206
01:04:22,039 --> 01:04:28,039
that I'm against that or anything, but people, there's a

1207
01:04:28,039 --> 01:04:30,679
lot of bad stuff going on right now. I mean, again,

1208
01:04:30,719 --> 01:04:32,159
I don't want to go too far into I don't

1209
01:04:32,159 --> 01:04:37,039
when you get banned, but you know, there is some

1210
01:04:37,079 --> 01:04:39,800
negative stuff going on, But I don't it won't stand.

1211
01:04:39,920 --> 01:04:42,760
I don't think it can stand because a it's not

1212
01:04:42,920 --> 01:04:48,079
legal for starters, and it's so much coercion and manipulation

1213
01:04:48,280 --> 01:04:51,559
of facts and figures is going on. It's almost as

1214
01:04:51,599 --> 01:04:54,480
if it's having the opposite effect that people are waking

1215
01:04:54,559 --> 01:04:56,119
up and they're going, what can we do about this?

1216
01:04:56,199 --> 01:04:58,000
And that's exactly the point we need to get to.

1217
01:04:58,119 --> 01:04:59,320
We need to be the solution.

1218
01:05:00,159 --> 01:05:03,679
Speaker 1: Let's look at this. So what happened for you? What

1219
01:05:03,719 --> 01:05:06,880
happened for me? You got a word, You got a

1220
01:05:07,079 --> 01:05:11,280
something that spoke to your spirit that was about awakening

1221
01:05:11,480 --> 01:05:13,800
and a future for you, a hope and a future

1222
01:05:13,800 --> 01:05:17,039
that you had now your current situation. You know, like

1223
01:05:17,079 --> 01:05:19,239
you said, if you was to tell yourself that, hey,

1224
01:05:19,239 --> 01:05:21,000
this is where you'll be in five years, ten years,

1225
01:05:21,440 --> 01:05:24,280
what are you talking about? But you got a word,

1226
01:05:24,320 --> 01:05:27,039
you got a vision for the future, and then you

1227
01:05:27,119 --> 01:05:30,119
went through a dark night. Then you went through testing

1228
01:05:30,280 --> 01:05:33,840
and trial, and then the fire hit you because there

1229
01:05:33,880 --> 01:05:36,199
was gold inside of you. In order to bring that,

1230
01:05:36,639 --> 01:05:39,639
God the universe has to turn the fire up to

1231
01:05:39,760 --> 01:05:42,760
bring that which is beautiful out of you. And it's

1232
01:05:42,800 --> 01:05:47,920
a personal experience, it's a personal relationship, a personal journey

1233
01:05:48,000 --> 01:05:51,199
to think you're alone, it's silly to think I was

1234
01:05:51,239 --> 01:05:54,800
alone because the same thing happened. I'm silly. Everyone like

1235
01:05:54,920 --> 01:05:58,039
humanity is going through Christianity is going through this awakening

1236
01:05:58,559 --> 01:06:05,039
by themselves. But it's the micro, just you, and the macro.

1237
01:06:05,320 --> 01:06:09,159
So if enough people are having the same spiritual awakening,

1238
01:06:09,519 --> 01:06:13,679
many people are seeing UFOs, Many people are seeing synchronicities.

1239
01:06:13,760 --> 01:06:16,360
Many people are seeing the universal Christ and the good

1240
01:06:16,400 --> 01:06:19,800
within all, and it's wrecking their lives that the fires

1241
01:06:19,840 --> 01:06:24,599
turning up old paradigms are burning away. They're burning away

1242
01:06:24,639 --> 01:06:27,000
by that fire. They're getting burned up in it. The wood,

1243
01:06:27,039 --> 01:06:29,159
hay and the stubble in the chaff are being burnt

1244
01:06:29,199 --> 01:06:31,719
as an offering to God, I don't want it anymore,

1245
01:06:32,039 --> 01:06:34,000
take it. I only want that which is beautiful, that

1246
01:06:34,039 --> 01:06:36,719
which is pure. So that which is happening within our

1247
01:06:36,760 --> 01:06:41,239
hearts on a micro level, it's happening on a collective

1248
01:06:41,960 --> 01:06:44,840
global level. Obviously, if enough, if this is happening to

1249
01:06:45,000 --> 01:06:48,280
enough people, when you zoom out, it is happening to

1250
01:06:48,480 --> 01:06:52,639
nations who are having this spiritual awakening, who are choosing

1251
01:06:52,719 --> 01:06:57,360
love and so man, what's happening the personal joy and

1252
01:06:57,400 --> 01:07:02,360
the personal freedom and the personal connect connectedness with everything

1253
01:07:02,440 --> 01:07:06,000
and everyone that's happening for us is happening on a

1254
01:07:06,079 --> 01:07:09,719
global level. And if there's anything we can rejoice in,

1255
01:07:09,920 --> 01:07:12,559
it is that because it is something beautiful, it is

1256
01:07:12,599 --> 01:07:16,000
something to be experienced together. We're not going through it

1257
01:07:16,039 --> 01:07:18,960
by ourselves, which we thought at the beginning, you know,

1258
01:07:19,039 --> 01:07:21,360
because it was like little pockets here, there, here and there,

1259
01:07:21,400 --> 01:07:23,880
and then enough people begin to stand up and begin

1260
01:07:23,960 --> 01:07:26,599
to own their story, begin to own their questions, begin

1261
01:07:26,679 --> 01:07:30,000
to own their fears, and just to vocalize it. And

1262
01:07:30,039 --> 01:07:31,920
you see what it's doing. It's creating a beacon of

1263
01:07:31,920 --> 01:07:36,400
hope for other people. Just simply you're not alone. I mean,

1264
01:07:36,480 --> 01:07:39,400
Jason Upton had that powerful song You're not alone, just

1265
01:07:39,440 --> 01:07:42,079
singing that over you. You're not alone, Like it's so

1266
01:07:42,880 --> 01:07:47,800
encouraging and so simple. You know, Emmanuel means what God

1267
01:07:47,960 --> 01:07:52,199
is with us. You're not alone. You're in the fire,

1268
01:07:52,360 --> 01:07:56,400
shadragged me, shaking the bendigo. You're not alone. I'm with you.

1269
01:07:56,760 --> 01:08:00,480
I'll never leave you, I'll never forsake you personally and

1270
01:08:00,639 --> 01:08:04,960
could collectively listen. That is good news, man, and that's

1271
01:08:04,960 --> 01:08:05,519
where we are.

1272
01:08:07,800 --> 01:08:11,800
Speaker 4: Yeah, I totally agree, and I think because you know,

1273
01:08:12,000 --> 01:08:14,400
normal life has been so shaken over the past sort

1274
01:08:14,400 --> 01:08:17,359
of eighteen months. People are asking the bigger questions and

1275
01:08:17,359 --> 01:08:20,279
the deeper questions and the question like, you know, what

1276
01:08:20,279 --> 01:08:21,960
what am I doing with my life and things like

1277
01:08:22,000 --> 01:08:24,800
that and what is even real anymore? Et cetera, et cetera.

1278
01:08:24,880 --> 01:08:27,800
And there is so much hope to be had at

1279
01:08:27,800 --> 01:08:30,479
this time, as uncomfortable as it is, as much as

1280
01:08:30,479 --> 01:08:34,079
I dislike a lot of the stuff going on, for sure, yeah,

1281
01:08:34,239 --> 01:08:37,920
I mean absolutely, it's so important to stay focused on

1282
01:08:38,039 --> 01:08:44,319
hope and grace and yeah, again I need to watch

1283
01:08:44,319 --> 01:08:48,680
what I say. But you know, I have a vision

1284
01:08:49,000 --> 01:08:51,399
birth now that I want to put on concerts and

1285
01:08:51,479 --> 01:08:54,479
things without the need for any kind of well just

1286
01:08:54,560 --> 01:08:58,239
your ticket if you get where I'm getting at. You know,

1287
01:08:58,880 --> 01:09:03,159
we need to be the solution and provide for humanity

1288
01:09:03,199 --> 01:09:07,119
at this time and lose our egos and put ourselves

1289
01:09:07,199 --> 01:09:09,399
out there, you know. And that was a big one

1290
01:09:09,439 --> 01:09:12,640
for me. I was always so terrified of what people thought.

1291
01:09:12,720 --> 01:09:15,159
You know, you aren't You're not going to make everyone happy.

1292
01:09:15,159 --> 01:09:18,159
It's not going to happen. Get get over it. And

1293
01:09:18,199 --> 01:09:20,960
when I started speaking out sort of early twenty twenty

1294
01:09:21,000 --> 01:09:24,079
about certain things that I was being shown for many years. Yeah,

1295
01:09:24,800 --> 01:09:26,439
I had people who I thought were some of my

1296
01:09:26,479 --> 01:09:29,399
best friends just dropped me like that. Yeah, as they

1297
01:09:29,479 --> 01:09:30,960
weren't friends, you know what I mean.

1298
01:09:31,239 --> 01:09:34,359
Speaker 1: Listen, dude, it's part of it. See, that's you know,

1299
01:09:34,399 --> 01:09:36,920
and I'm vocal about it. That's why I'm vocal. It

1300
01:09:37,039 --> 01:09:40,520
is because nobody was talking about it at the time,

1301
01:09:41,399 --> 01:09:45,319
and I knew other people who were going through similar experiences.

1302
01:09:45,359 --> 01:09:49,840
I wasn't alone, you know. There there's other seekers and

1303
01:09:50,000 --> 01:09:53,439
they wouldn't talk about it. And because of that, I

1304
01:09:53,439 --> 01:09:56,039
felt the need to do that, you know, to talk

1305
01:09:56,039 --> 01:09:59,560
about this even more. And it wasn't fear based. It

1306
01:09:59,600 --> 01:10:02,399
was fun, it was good, it was encouraging. It's beautiful

1307
01:10:02,600 --> 01:10:04,399
and I'll just be you know, people feel that way

1308
01:10:04,439 --> 01:10:06,800
about the fear based stuff. That's why there's I have

1309
01:10:06,920 --> 01:10:10,880
friends who they're just straight fear you know, straight scary stuff,

1310
01:10:10,920 --> 01:10:14,319
and they feel because you know the same way that

1311
01:10:14,359 --> 01:10:16,600
I felt like I had to talk about this beautiful

1312
01:10:16,640 --> 01:10:19,079
mystery of Christ and all that, they feel the same

1313
01:10:19,119 --> 01:10:21,640
way to talk about the stuff that they're learning, the

1314
01:10:21,640 --> 01:10:24,359
stuff that they're experiencing because people in their immediate circle

1315
01:10:24,359 --> 01:10:27,560
aren't talking about it, so they feel they have to

1316
01:10:27,600 --> 01:10:30,960
do more. I have to do more because I'm picking

1317
01:10:31,039 --> 01:10:33,359
up your slack essentially, and so it's just part of

1318
01:10:33,399 --> 01:10:36,479
that process and that narrative. So that's one reason that

1319
01:10:36,520 --> 01:10:40,039
I embraced it and started talking about the things that

1320
01:10:40,079 --> 01:10:43,239
I started talking about, you know at that time, and uh,

1321
01:10:43,359 --> 01:10:45,399
it's part of it that's I want to I want

1322
01:10:45,399 --> 01:10:46,880
to say this too. With that being said, there's a

1323
01:10:46,880 --> 01:10:49,439
lot of people in chatman, shout out to the conversation here.

1324
01:10:49,479 --> 01:10:52,359
Everybody's having beautiful things that bring it to the table

1325
01:10:52,399 --> 01:10:55,000
and beautiful conversation. And shout out to all of you guys.

1326
01:10:55,000 --> 01:10:59,960
I see your names popping up YouTube, Facebook, Periscope, Twitch,

1327
01:11:00,359 --> 01:11:04,319
and d live also, So if you guys want, the

1328
01:11:04,359 --> 01:11:06,800
phone lines are open. If anybody wants to call in

1329
01:11:06,840 --> 01:11:09,800
with any questions or comments for Craig or myself or

1330
01:11:09,800 --> 01:11:12,520
something that they'd like to add or anything like that,

1331
01:11:12,600 --> 01:11:14,319
make sure you guys call in take advantage of the

1332
01:11:14,359 --> 01:11:17,079
phone lines. The number is five one five six oh

1333
01:11:17,119 --> 01:11:21,279
five nine seven seven six, and so Gothic Mystic is

1334
01:11:21,279 --> 01:11:23,720
manning down the phone lines and he'll take your calls there.

1335
01:11:25,359 --> 01:11:28,039
We've kind of just been flirting with the idea, haven't

1336
01:11:28,079 --> 01:11:31,119
really tapped into it much. But where does the you know,

1337
01:11:31,159 --> 01:11:35,520
the fascination for you with the UFO stuff come up?

1338
01:11:35,600 --> 01:11:44,039
And have you encountered ships, entities, mercabus, chariots, shams, whatever

1339
01:11:44,079 --> 01:11:45,760
you want to call them. They have many names, just

1340
01:11:45,880 --> 01:11:49,479
like everything does. So where where does that fascination and

1341
01:11:49,600 --> 01:11:50,800
experience come from for you?

1342
01:11:51,840 --> 01:11:53,760
Speaker 4: Well, I think I said near the beginning. Now, one

1343
01:11:53,800 --> 01:11:55,920
of the things that always motivated me was this kind

1344
01:11:55,960 --> 01:11:59,399
of idea of multi dimensional beings in the Bible and

1345
01:11:59,439 --> 01:12:02,239
in christian see angels, angel stories would always float my

1346
01:12:02,279 --> 01:12:05,279
boat when I was a kid. You know, anybody that

1347
01:12:05,319 --> 01:12:07,680
had an angel story, I was like researching it and

1348
01:12:07,720 --> 01:12:11,600
things like this. So when I made that connection that,

1349
01:12:11,720 --> 01:12:14,560
you know, an angel literally just means messenger, that could

1350
01:12:14,600 --> 01:12:17,640
be anything. You know, it doesn't really describe what it is.

1351
01:12:18,560 --> 01:12:21,720
In Christianity, we always think it's just a winged man

1352
01:12:21,840 --> 01:12:25,600
with blonde hair, you know. And then a part of

1353
01:12:25,600 --> 01:12:28,199
my wakening again listening to sort of a lot of

1354
01:12:28,239 --> 01:12:33,600
whistleblowers talk about different races and et races and how

1355
01:12:33,640 --> 01:12:39,720
there are government projects working with extraterrestrials on this planet,

1356
01:12:41,920 --> 01:12:44,560
I was just again just made that connection. So I

1357
01:12:44,600 --> 01:12:50,359
really jumped into that and I didn't go into it

1358
01:12:50,520 --> 01:12:52,079
quite as much as you did, like you know, like

1359
01:12:52,119 --> 01:12:53,680
going into fields all night, and.

1360
01:12:55,359 --> 01:12:57,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, as long as as long as you don't go

1361
01:12:57,439 --> 01:12:59,119
that far.

1362
01:13:01,720 --> 01:13:04,159
Speaker 4: But I mean, one of the things that sticks out

1363
01:13:04,199 --> 01:13:07,159
to me is my wife's a lot more skeptical than I.

1364
01:13:07,399 --> 01:13:08,840
We laugh and joke that, like.

1365
01:13:09,039 --> 01:13:14,159
Speaker 1: I'm a that's good though compliment. Yeah, for sure, I'm molder.

1366
01:13:14,239 --> 01:13:17,279
Speaker 4: She's scully is what we say, you know there, And

1367
01:13:17,319 --> 01:13:19,920
she's like, well, let's just think about this for a second,

1368
01:13:19,960 --> 01:13:22,680
you know, and she really balances me out and likewise,

1369
01:13:22,720 --> 01:13:25,680
you know. But we went camping a couple of years

1370
01:13:25,680 --> 01:13:29,039
ago and it was just a really gorgeous night and

1371
01:13:29,079 --> 01:13:31,119
it was dark and we had a little fire going,

1372
01:13:31,159 --> 01:13:34,840
et cetera, and we noticed these three like lights in

1373
01:13:34,880 --> 01:13:37,880
the sky and we were sort of drawn to them.

1374
01:13:39,039 --> 01:13:41,520
And they're in sort of like a triangle shape. And

1375
01:13:42,600 --> 01:13:44,239
as soon as we looked at them that the lower

1376
01:13:44,279 --> 01:13:46,560
two ones started spinning around the one that was at

1377
01:13:46,600 --> 01:13:48,159
the top. They just started going around it like this,

1378
01:13:48,239 --> 01:13:50,560
And I was like, are you seeing that? Are you

1379
01:13:50,560 --> 01:13:51,840
seeing that? You know? I can see that? Can you

1380
01:13:51,840 --> 01:13:54,600
see that? And me and my wife and mailed his

1381
01:13:54,680 --> 01:13:58,319
daughter with edge like watching this sort of formation going on,

1382
01:13:58,600 --> 01:14:01,439
and next thing they just went flew off, like just disappeared,

1383
01:14:01,760 --> 01:14:03,520
just like this. And I was like, you know what

1384
01:14:03,640 --> 01:14:03,960
that was.

1385
01:14:03,920 --> 01:14:04,560
Speaker 1: Don't you? Emma?

1386
01:14:04,800 --> 01:14:07,279
Speaker 4: She was like, I saw it. I can't deny it,

1387
01:14:07,319 --> 01:14:10,239
you know, And I just felt like that was for us,

1388
01:14:10,279 --> 01:14:12,119
you know, we needed to see that at the time,

1389
01:14:12,279 --> 01:14:16,439
we were talking about stuff, you know. And so they

1390
01:14:16,439 --> 01:14:19,920
are out there, and I wholeheartedly believe they want to

1391
01:14:19,920 --> 01:14:22,720
be seen, they want to have communication, but I also

1392
01:14:22,760 --> 01:14:25,760
believe we really have to do our inner work for

1393
01:14:25,800 --> 01:14:29,159
that to happen. I remember a guy called Emory Smith.

1394
01:14:29,199 --> 01:14:31,840
You know Emory Smith, Yeah, a little bit. Yeah, I'm

1395
01:14:31,880 --> 01:14:32,560
familiar with them.

1396
01:14:32,600 --> 01:14:34,880
Speaker 1: I don't know much of his work, Yeah, I know

1397
01:14:34,920 --> 01:14:37,079
when he represents yeah yeah, yeah.

1398
01:14:37,159 --> 01:14:39,680
Speaker 4: I mean he was part of government projects. He was

1399
01:14:39,680 --> 01:14:45,279
a doctor. He was taken into a secret underground projects

1400
01:14:45,520 --> 01:14:48,600
and he started being given pieces of skin grafts that

1401
01:14:48,640 --> 01:14:51,159
weren't human. Then it would be a limb, and then

1402
01:14:51,159 --> 01:14:54,800
it would be a full body of extraterrestrials and he

1403
01:14:54,840 --> 01:14:57,800
would operate on them, research them, you know, do studies

1404
01:14:57,800 --> 01:15:00,920
on them and all this sort of stuff. And as

1405
01:15:00,920 --> 01:15:03,000
he progressed, he says that, you know, there would be

1406
01:15:03,079 --> 01:15:06,199
other extraterrestrials who would work with him on these projects,

1407
01:15:07,159 --> 01:15:09,199
and he says they were his best friends. He says,

1408
01:15:09,239 --> 01:15:12,800
I've never experienced the love of vibration as when I

1409
01:15:12,840 --> 01:15:16,439
work with these equal them people, they're just people. And

1410
01:15:16,479 --> 01:15:20,119
he actually started to cry when he was describing them,

1411
01:15:20,159 --> 01:15:25,199
just like just the vibration that they carry, and they

1412
01:15:25,359 --> 01:15:27,199
just got me thinking. And what Yeah, what he said

1413
01:15:27,359 --> 01:15:30,399
was when if he'd had an argument with his partner

1414
01:15:30,479 --> 01:15:32,479
or if he was in a bad mood, you had

1415
01:15:32,520 --> 01:15:34,319
to do like an energy clearing before you went to

1416
01:15:34,319 --> 01:15:36,239
work with him because they couldn't handle it. They can't

1417
01:15:36,279 --> 01:15:38,720
be in the same room when you're carrying this vibration,

1418
01:15:38,920 --> 01:15:43,119
you know. And that just really spoke to me, like

1419
01:15:43,159 --> 01:15:46,359
we really it's so important that we learned to live

1420
01:15:46,560 --> 01:15:49,840
in this descended place, you know, this this high vibrational,

1421
01:15:50,279 --> 01:15:53,600
high frequency place of love and joy and peace and

1422
01:15:53,720 --> 01:15:56,960
kindness and all that. If we're going to make contact

1423
01:15:56,960 --> 01:15:58,880
with these and I really believe that they're going to

1424
01:15:58,960 --> 01:16:01,560
really start showing up in in a very very public way.

1425
01:16:02,279 --> 01:16:03,960
Do I think the government are going to do it?

1426
01:16:04,279 --> 01:16:04,359
Speaker 1: Not?

1427
01:16:04,520 --> 01:16:07,239
Speaker 4: Really? I know we've had some form of disclosure that

1428
01:16:07,239 --> 01:16:11,840
they've actually admitted that there are UFOs. And I've also

1429
01:16:11,840 --> 01:16:15,199
heard that they don't actually mind people researching this stuff

1430
01:16:15,239 --> 01:16:18,239
because they feel that they can control that narrative. But

1431
01:16:18,319 --> 01:16:20,880
what they can't control is when you have a personal experience.

1432
01:16:21,680 --> 01:16:25,520
And I think with people like us who are fearlessly

1433
01:16:25,760 --> 01:16:30,000
engage in this stuff, and like I think you've mentioned before,

1434
01:16:30,079 --> 01:16:34,119
James Gilliland as Setti and things like that, you know,

1435
01:16:34,159 --> 01:16:37,800
I mean that mothership that he shared, saw that that

1436
01:16:37,960 --> 01:16:44,279
was huge, undeniable, you know. I just think that they

1437
01:16:44,760 --> 01:16:48,399
really really want to make contact with us, and quite frankly,

1438
01:16:48,439 --> 01:16:50,359
I think we need their help right now with everything

1439
01:16:50,359 --> 01:16:53,239
that's going on, We really need their help. Now. Elena

1440
01:16:53,319 --> 01:16:59,159
de Naran speaks of what's called a galactic federation. Interestingly,

1441
01:16:59,359 --> 01:17:05,159
the the I don't know if you know, a guy called, oh,

1442
01:17:05,199 --> 01:17:13,039
the Israeli Space Project founder forgot his name now, Hame Ashed,

1443
01:17:13,119 --> 01:17:15,560
I think he's called, I don't know if you've heard

1444
01:17:15,560 --> 01:17:18,159
of him. He came out and he basically said that

1445
01:17:18,800 --> 01:17:23,039
there is a galactic federation that they meet and they

1446
01:17:23,039 --> 01:17:26,680
have come to Earth to help us in this current

1447
01:17:26,720 --> 01:17:29,159
situation we're in. And apparently that's one of the reasons

1448
01:17:29,159 --> 01:17:32,279
why UFO sightings have just gone absolutely through the roof

1449
01:17:32,359 --> 01:17:34,359
that loads of people have seen him because there's a

1450
01:17:34,439 --> 01:17:36,840
lot of activity going on. And I'm just going to

1451
01:17:36,880 --> 01:17:40,520
say this, President number forty five, you know I'm talking

1452
01:17:40,520 --> 01:17:44,920
about I don't want to get you bat Mister Donnie

1453
01:17:45,399 --> 01:17:49,399
ham Ashed claimed that he was working with the Galactic

1454
01:17:49,439 --> 01:17:52,279
Federation of Worlds, that he was working with his benevolent

1455
01:17:52,319 --> 01:17:55,560
agenda for the planet and that's why he did what

1456
01:17:55,600 --> 01:17:58,479
he did. I'm sorry if that offends some people, if

1457
01:17:58,479 --> 01:18:00,319
they don't like him. I get why people don't didn't

1458
01:18:00,399 --> 01:18:03,279
like him. I know we were a certain type of personality.

1459
01:18:04,239 --> 01:18:06,560
He was imperfect, but so am I and so are

1460
01:18:06,560 --> 01:18:07,880
we all. You know, I think he was the right

1461
01:18:07,920 --> 01:18:10,680
man for the job. Just my opinion. Don't shout at me,

1462
01:18:11,159 --> 01:18:14,279
and I just but I just find this stuff really

1463
01:18:14,279 --> 01:18:17,159
really fascinating, that we are being helped and there there

1464
01:18:17,159 --> 01:18:21,960
are benevolent beings who are doing stuff in the shadow,

1465
01:18:22,159 --> 01:18:25,119
behind the scenes that we're not aware of. And I've

1466
01:18:25,159 --> 01:18:27,039
heard that many of them are laying their lives down

1467
01:18:27,079 --> 01:18:29,319
for us. I mean, again, we think, oh, they can't

1468
01:18:29,319 --> 01:18:32,560
die the eternal, but they have biological functions they have

1469
01:18:32,600 --> 01:18:36,600
a biological body that can die. There's so much learned,

1470
01:18:36,680 --> 01:18:38,760
so much to delve into out there.

1471
01:18:39,319 --> 01:18:43,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, just like us, right, all right, just like us,

1472
01:18:43,399 --> 01:18:46,520
Like we're not these bodies, but we're you know what

1473
01:18:46,520 --> 01:18:49,079
I'm saying, limited to them while we're here, or which

1474
01:18:49,439 --> 01:18:50,840
seems to be anyway.

1475
01:18:51,039 --> 01:18:55,039
Speaker 4: Mm hm, exactly exactly. So, I mean I could just

1476
01:18:55,079 --> 01:18:58,399
talk for hours about this kind of stuff. I'm just

1477
01:18:58,960 --> 01:19:01,680
just a massive nerd. I just totally fascinated with it.

1478
01:19:02,800 --> 01:19:05,159
And I think if you pulled in this direction, I

1479
01:19:05,199 --> 01:19:10,600
think it's a genuine pull to make contact. You know,

1480
01:19:10,880 --> 01:19:12,640
you can, you know, I'm sure you've done it as well.

1481
01:19:12,640 --> 01:19:14,680
You can use your mind. You can tap into their

1482
01:19:14,720 --> 01:19:19,279
frequency and and you know, when you learn about your

1483
01:19:19,359 --> 01:19:21,960
energy system and sort of sort of going into your

1484
01:19:22,000 --> 01:19:24,000
heart center and things like that, that's where they will

1485
01:19:24,000 --> 01:19:29,159
connect with you and they will talk to you.

1486
01:19:28,840 --> 01:19:30,640
Speaker 1: Now you have you have you had that? Or you

1487
01:19:30,760 --> 01:19:31,640
just going off with stories?

1488
01:19:32,479 --> 01:19:34,239
Speaker 4: No? I think you know what I told you before

1489
01:19:34,600 --> 01:19:36,399
that that sentence dropped in my mind. That was in

1490
01:19:36,399 --> 01:19:38,319
a meditation when I was reaching out to them.

1491
01:19:39,800 --> 01:19:43,039
Speaker 1: You know, I like to talk about like those voices.

1492
01:19:43,760 --> 01:19:49,000
You know, here's somebody saying that they're telepathically communicating with anything. Right,

1493
01:19:49,039 --> 01:19:51,680
if it's an alien, or if it's et or what

1494
01:19:51,720 --> 01:19:56,239
we call that, an angel, a demon, an ancestor you're

1495
01:19:56,319 --> 01:20:01,479
channeling something, you're hearing something telepathically. We come from Christianity

1496
01:20:01,560 --> 01:20:05,600
where we use that terminology with Jesus in the Holy Spirit.

1497
01:20:06,239 --> 01:20:10,199
The funny thing is is that in that realm, those

1498
01:20:10,239 --> 01:20:16,359
three are interchangeable. Different people will say God told me this,

1499
01:20:17,119 --> 01:20:19,439
the Lord told me to tell you this, Jesus told

1500
01:20:19,479 --> 01:20:21,439
me to tell you this, or hey, the Holy Spirit

1501
01:20:21,439 --> 01:20:23,199
wants me to tell you. So they got They kind

1502
01:20:23,199 --> 01:20:28,439
of use those interchangeable. Some of the deeper people will say, yes,

1503
01:20:28,520 --> 01:20:31,600
they all speak differently. I hear all three, and I'm

1504
01:20:31,640 --> 01:20:34,199
in conversation with all three, and they all have a

1505
01:20:34,239 --> 01:20:38,159
distinctive vibration. And for me, it is the same like

1506
01:20:38,239 --> 01:20:41,840
it is you can't tell you tell for the essence

1507
01:20:41,920 --> 01:20:45,560
or whatever or the message, same way, with the same

1508
01:20:45,600 --> 01:20:48,399
way that the Holy Spirit speaks to your heart, speaks

1509
01:20:48,399 --> 01:20:52,960
to your spirit impressions telepathically, if you will, images like

1510
01:20:53,039 --> 01:20:55,800
all that kind of stuff. It's the same, the same

1511
01:20:55,880 --> 01:20:59,880
kind of communication for what you would call ets and angels. Though,

1512
01:21:00,520 --> 01:21:02,880
is there a difference there. Do you know a distinct

1513
01:21:02,880 --> 01:21:06,000
difference or is it very similar to when you're in

1514
01:21:06,079 --> 01:21:10,439
prayer and you're getting downloads or inspirations back when you

1515
01:21:10,600 --> 01:21:13,680
first fell in love with Christ in the in the

1516
01:21:13,760 --> 01:21:14,479
church and stuff.

1517
01:21:16,600 --> 01:21:21,439
Speaker 4: Well, for me, I think that the the depth of

1518
01:21:22,279 --> 01:21:26,239
what comes through will it will often be a key.

1519
01:21:26,319 --> 01:21:26,560
Speaker 1: You know.

1520
01:21:27,000 --> 01:21:31,600
Speaker 4: I means my personal experience. When it's things like I

1521
01:21:31,680 --> 01:21:34,279
love you so like just telling them how much they

1522
01:21:34,319 --> 01:21:36,199
adore me, I know that that's my father. I know

1523
01:21:36,239 --> 01:21:41,479
that that's that's my creator, you know. I think when

1524
01:21:41,680 --> 01:21:44,399
it's when it's when I'm looking for answers or I'm

1525
01:21:44,439 --> 01:21:46,880
looking into something and I need a certain go a

1526
01:21:46,920 --> 01:21:50,439
certain direction, I know that I have so called guides

1527
01:21:50,479 --> 01:21:53,399
you know, angels whatever, who will help me and will

1528
01:21:53,439 --> 01:21:56,000
stir me in that direction. And it's just as I

1529
01:21:56,039 --> 01:21:59,880
said before, I'm a feeler, you know, I feel stuff,

1530
01:22:00,079 --> 01:22:02,159
and so that that has the pros and it has

1531
01:22:02,199 --> 01:22:06,359
gone because I can't you can't always be led by

1532
01:22:06,359 --> 01:22:11,399
your feelings, because your feelings can be wrong. But I

1533
01:22:11,399 --> 01:22:14,319
think having discernment and being able to when you're engaging

1534
01:22:14,359 --> 01:22:18,000
this stuff and you're basically practicing it, you discerned between

1535
01:22:18,239 --> 01:22:22,199
good and evil, so to speak. Then you begin to

1536
01:22:22,479 --> 01:22:26,720
feel the pull in a certain direction, and I often

1537
01:22:26,800 --> 01:22:29,920
find that like it happened with with you recently. Actually,

1538
01:22:30,800 --> 01:22:32,680
I've been looking into some stuff and I've not gone

1539
01:22:32,720 --> 01:22:35,279
public with it yet, but I guess I will do now.

1540
01:22:36,159 --> 01:22:42,039
Looking into the e t origins of humanity and that story,

1541
01:22:42,159 --> 01:22:44,960
you know that, the annarchy, the Sumerian texts and things

1542
01:22:45,000 --> 01:22:48,239
like that. I've been felt the pull in that direction.

1543
01:22:48,319 --> 01:22:54,239
And your interview with Paul Anthony Wallace was was just,

1544
01:22:54,520 --> 01:22:58,039
I mean confirmed the stuff that I've been researching in

1545
01:22:58,079 --> 01:22:59,680
a way that was just like it was like it

1546
01:23:00,359 --> 01:23:04,840
done for me. You know, do I agree with everything?

1547
01:23:04,880 --> 01:23:08,319
I don't know. I mean I don't agree or disagree anymore.

1548
01:23:08,439 --> 01:23:11,119
Just I talk to people, I have a mental shelf

1549
01:23:11,720 --> 01:23:14,199
that you know, if there's something there that's like whoa,

1550
01:23:14,439 --> 01:23:16,760
it goes on the shelf. I never ever say that's

1551
01:23:16,800 --> 01:23:20,439
wrong anymore. Because I first heard this back from Michael

1552
01:23:20,479 --> 01:23:23,680
Tellinger years ago, and I threw it out because I

1553
01:23:23,720 --> 01:23:26,159
was just like, nope, no, God created us in the garden.

1554
01:23:26,199 --> 01:23:28,720
He was a man with a beard walking through a

1555
01:23:28,720 --> 01:23:31,119
garden and went, I'm going to create you. Now you

1556
01:23:31,159 --> 01:23:34,359
know that was the image I had. And it's really

1557
01:23:34,399 --> 01:23:36,279
quite frankly, not that cut and dry. I mean, on

1558
01:23:36,319 --> 01:23:39,159
a scientific level, we have twenty two strands of DNA

1559
01:23:39,920 --> 01:23:47,159
that don't originate from this planet.

1560
01:23:44,159 --> 01:23:44,239
Speaker 3: And.

1561
01:23:47,119 --> 01:23:51,239
Speaker 4: You know we have been I mean I remember being

1562
01:23:51,439 --> 01:23:55,840
in work at a meditation, you like, an anti stress

1563
01:23:55,920 --> 01:23:59,680
sort of course, and they started talking about the reptilian

1564
01:23:59,720 --> 01:24:02,840
brain and I was like, no, no, no, no, no no. You know,

1565
01:24:02,920 --> 01:24:04,960
we can't be talking about that stuff. And they were

1566
01:24:04,960 --> 01:24:07,560
talking about our instincts, our survival instincts, and it's a

1567
01:24:07,680 --> 01:24:10,640
part of our brain which is reptilian. So what they're

1568
01:24:10,680 --> 01:24:13,520
basically saying is there are reptilian parts of our DNA.

1569
01:24:13,600 --> 01:24:18,079
Now they're looking at it from an evolutionary Darwinist point

1570
01:24:18,079 --> 01:24:21,720
of view, but when you look at the Biblical story

1571
01:24:23,039 --> 01:24:31,479
and how a reptile merged with humanity, you start to

1572
01:24:31,520 --> 01:24:35,600
see that's where it is. You know, somewhere along the line,

1573
01:24:35,640 --> 01:24:37,520
there's been a genetic manipulation there.

1574
01:24:37,720 --> 01:24:40,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, and let's don't get too deep into it,

1575
01:24:40,720 --> 01:24:43,920
but let's sprink all some stuff out there, because you know,

1576
01:24:44,000 --> 01:24:48,920
one of the big things with the Sumerian tablets and

1577
01:24:49,520 --> 01:24:52,319
you know, the Anunaki and things. One of the big

1578
01:24:52,399 --> 01:24:57,720
things is is that our DNA was tampered with and

1579
01:24:58,079 --> 01:25:02,520
evolved from you know, a primate to mixing it with

1580
01:25:03,479 --> 01:25:08,600
alien DNA, if you will, extraterrestrial elohem DNA, which would

1581
01:25:08,640 --> 01:25:12,520
represent in humans the ability to have higher and lower

1582
01:25:12,600 --> 01:25:17,760
nature God in man mixed together, you're essentially a hybrid.

1583
01:25:18,640 --> 01:25:21,159
So that that's a huge belief of And I'm not

1584
01:25:21,199 --> 01:25:23,159
saying that that I don't know that that's truth, just

1585
01:25:23,199 --> 01:25:25,479
like you, but it is a big part of that narrative.

1586
01:25:28,319 --> 01:25:32,520
Seems like it's happening again. Yeah, with everything. I don't

1587
01:25:32,520 --> 01:25:34,520
want to say no words or nothing, but it seems

1588
01:25:34,560 --> 01:25:39,520
like it's happening again. There is a genetic modification to humanity.

1589
01:25:40,359 --> 01:25:43,039
We've been scared, we've been told it's a bad thing.

1590
01:25:43,279 --> 01:25:46,279
I don't know. I'm not giving it an opinion, but

1591
01:25:46,399 --> 01:25:48,840
it sounds very similar to that narrative.

1592
01:25:48,880 --> 01:25:52,159
Speaker 4: I'll say that it does very much so. And I

1593
01:25:52,199 --> 01:25:54,920
think the back class that's coming from the subject that

1594
01:25:54,920 --> 01:25:58,000
you're talking about, I think there's something encoded into us

1595
01:25:58,319 --> 01:26:00,960
and it's made us a way even so anxiously. You know,

1596
01:26:01,000 --> 01:26:05,000
people who have no spiritual you know, they're not openly

1597
01:26:05,039 --> 01:26:07,399
spiritual or anything like that, something's being triggered in them

1598
01:26:07,800 --> 01:26:12,000
at the moment with what's going on, and I just

1599
01:26:12,079 --> 01:26:14,920
find it very very interesting, and that you know, kind

1600
01:26:14,920 --> 01:26:16,960
of when you look at it cosmically, you know, the

1601
01:26:17,319 --> 01:26:19,680
energies and the frequencies that's coming into the Earth from

1602
01:26:19,720 --> 01:26:22,640
our position in the solar system and the galaxy, the

1603
01:26:22,680 --> 01:26:26,800
position of our solar system in the wider cosmos. And

1604
01:26:27,520 --> 01:26:30,199
you know, twenty twelve, everyone talked about that that was

1605
01:26:30,239 --> 01:26:33,520
a real demarcation point when when a cycle ended and

1606
01:26:33,560 --> 01:26:36,600
a new cycle began of a twenty five thousand year

1607
01:26:36,680 --> 01:26:40,279
cycle of our solar system moving around a bigger system.

1608
01:26:41,319 --> 01:26:48,159
And obviously energetically, it's really really affecting us. And obviously

1609
01:26:48,199 --> 01:26:51,520
I find this stuff really fascinating and how it's affecting

1610
01:26:51,520 --> 01:26:54,079
our consciousness and our spirituality. And this is I think

1611
01:26:54,119 --> 01:26:57,479
this is a direct result of the spiritual awakening that's

1612
01:26:57,479 --> 01:27:00,880
happening right now. And I think we're going to see culture.

1613
01:27:00,920 --> 01:27:02,880
I think we're going to progress as a society and

1614
01:27:02,880 --> 01:27:07,399
as a global and cosmic culture in a way relatively quickly.

1615
01:27:07,920 --> 01:27:11,319
And yeah, it's gonna be seem like magic, it really is.

1616
01:27:12,199 --> 01:27:15,960
Speaker 1: You talked about going within to get without, like you know.

1617
01:27:16,239 --> 01:27:18,159
And I've been having to be clear on that a

1618
01:27:18,159 --> 01:27:20,680
lot with people because I do have meditations on leaving

1619
01:27:20,680 --> 01:27:24,760
the body through the crowd chakra. My music, I have

1620
01:27:24,880 --> 01:27:27,920
songs called leaving My Body, and it is about leaving

1621
01:27:27,960 --> 01:27:30,680
through the top of the head and exiting your body

1622
01:27:30,720 --> 01:27:33,960
to go fly around or remote view or astral travel, right,

1623
01:27:34,039 --> 01:27:36,560
and I use those terms and uh, but but I

1624
01:27:36,600 --> 01:27:40,479
want to be clear that, you know, my my experience

1625
01:27:40,560 --> 01:27:43,840
in doing that has all been going within, to close

1626
01:27:43,840 --> 01:27:47,640
your eyes and go within, so you go within, journey

1627
01:27:47,640 --> 01:27:51,239
there to access those realms, those portals, go within to

1628
01:27:51,279 --> 01:27:53,359
get without. So I want to preface it by saying

1629
01:27:53,359 --> 01:27:58,079
that people are saying that we're tapping in closer to

1630
01:27:58,239 --> 01:28:00,920
five D, like what what ever that means. I'm not

1631
01:28:00,960 --> 01:28:03,680
an expert on that either, but but it sounds like

1632
01:28:03,880 --> 01:28:09,199
the veil between worlds just getting very thin. That communication

1633
01:28:09,439 --> 01:28:15,560
between humans and and and and entities, humans and etheric

1634
01:28:15,680 --> 01:28:19,600
eternal beings, ancestors, all of that's happening a lot more

1635
01:28:20,039 --> 01:28:24,560
much easier to access within your meditations. My meditations have

1636
01:28:24,640 --> 01:28:28,159
been pretty profound for me, and we, you know, lead

1637
01:28:28,239 --> 01:28:30,640
group meditations, and I try to teach that, you know,

1638
01:28:31,159 --> 01:28:33,960
to go within and to commune with God, to commune

1639
01:28:34,000 --> 01:28:35,880
with the Holy Spirit, and just whatever they want to

1640
01:28:35,880 --> 01:28:37,880
show you, wherever they want to take you and allow

1641
01:28:37,920 --> 01:28:42,079
you to go as that vehicle. I seen a video

1642
01:28:42,159 --> 01:28:45,560
yesterday last night. I was in tears watching this. A

1643
01:28:45,600 --> 01:28:49,680
good friend of mine, dan Oskapinsky, had his kids, so

1644
01:28:49,720 --> 01:28:55,199
he's got this pretty much like a mindfold map. It's

1645
01:28:55,279 --> 01:28:59,039
just a blindfold that you put on and it blacks

1646
01:28:59,079 --> 01:29:02,319
out everything. So they, you know, they use that for meditation,

1647
01:29:02,560 --> 01:29:05,640
and they have something that they kind of have been

1648
01:29:05,680 --> 01:29:10,000
experimenting with called Going into the Cloud Stepping into the Cloud. Listen,

1649
01:29:10,039 --> 01:29:12,600
there's a lot of deep stuff about the cloud, about

1650
01:29:12,600 --> 01:29:15,560
the Glory Cloud, you know, like you talked about in

1651
01:29:15,880 --> 01:29:19,840
that meeting and morning Star and then Jesus said, and

1652
01:29:19,880 --> 01:29:25,560
the amount of transformiguration, transfiguration they came out of the cloud, right,

1653
01:29:25,640 --> 01:29:29,439
these etheric beings and their ancestors and the voice the

1654
01:29:29,439 --> 01:29:34,720
cloud follows people. There's even text about the apostle Peter

1655
01:29:35,039 --> 01:29:38,399
having the cloud with him and things. Right. So anyway,

1656
01:29:38,439 --> 01:29:41,119
they had this program they developed called Going into the Cloud,

1657
01:29:41,159 --> 01:29:43,720
and it's just kind of a meditation with a mindful

1658
01:29:44,119 --> 01:29:48,000
blacking out your eyes. And it takes a little while

1659
01:29:48,039 --> 01:29:52,920
for us adults because of training and the mind. And

1660
01:29:53,000 --> 01:29:55,760
we've been with the universal mind for so long, and

1661
01:29:56,119 --> 01:29:58,399
we have to clear our minds because we got junk,

1662
01:29:58,439 --> 01:29:59,960
we got bills, we got we got a lot of

1663
01:30:00,079 --> 01:30:03,399
things that we got to juggle. So stepping into meditation

1664
01:30:03,880 --> 01:30:07,079
becomes a journey. But we get better at it, we

1665
01:30:07,159 --> 01:30:11,439
get better, we get faster, and it becomes more profound. Well,

1666
01:30:11,520 --> 01:30:14,439
Dan o Skipensky. Last night I seen a video he

1667
01:30:14,479 --> 01:30:17,319
did and I re shared it, and it's worth watching.

1668
01:30:17,359 --> 01:30:19,960
I was. I was in tears watching this. His kids

1669
01:30:19,960 --> 01:30:24,079
wanted to use the mindfold and put it on, and

1670
01:30:24,079 --> 01:30:26,079
he's like, no, it's not a toy, you know, this

1671
01:30:26,239 --> 01:30:29,319
is for my meditation. And so his little little kids

1672
01:30:29,319 --> 01:30:30,920
wanted to they were like begging him. So he's like,

1673
01:30:30,920 --> 01:30:35,000
all right, sure, put it on. His little youngest little boy,

1674
01:30:35,079 --> 01:30:37,720
I don't know how he is, let's say seven six,

1675
01:30:37,960 --> 01:30:39,920
I don't know, six years old. He puts on the

1676
01:30:40,479 --> 01:30:47,720
blindfold and he's immediately translated into VR. Virtual reality. I've

1677
01:30:47,760 --> 01:30:50,399
got I've got virtual reality. I have the oculus. I

1678
01:30:50,439 --> 01:30:54,159
love it. I love technology, and it's so fun. It

1679
01:30:54,199 --> 01:30:56,439
is immersed of you really there. The little boy puts

1680
01:30:56,479 --> 01:31:00,680
it on, he's like he's like interacting with things with

1681
01:31:00,880 --> 01:31:03,479
just a blindfold, and he's like, hey, what are you seeing?

1682
01:31:03,560 --> 01:31:07,960
He's asking him, and he's like seeing like stuff from

1683
01:31:08,279 --> 01:31:11,399
the Avengers, and he's fighting bad guys and he's saying,

1684
01:31:11,520 --> 01:31:14,159
God is telling me to fight the bad guys, the

1685
01:31:14,199 --> 01:31:17,560
bad guys who are against God. I'm going to fight.

1686
01:31:17,600 --> 01:31:20,600
I'm fighting them. And he's punching and he's literally jumping

1687
01:31:20,600 --> 01:31:22,239
on and if you look at the expressions, you can't

1688
01:31:22,279 --> 01:31:24,359
see his eyes, but you can see his face and

1689
01:31:24,399 --> 01:31:27,920
he's like really into it. All he did. He didn't pray.

1690
01:31:28,479 --> 01:31:31,399
He put the blindfold on, and there was a connection

1691
01:31:31,479 --> 01:31:33,640
that something happens when you put it on. And this

1692
01:31:33,680 --> 01:31:38,319
little kid is immersed in a movie a fighting bad

1693
01:31:38,399 --> 01:31:41,159
guys and he's punching, he's jumping, and he is like

1694
01:31:41,319 --> 01:31:45,239
his senses like you know, it is overactive imagination, but

1695
01:31:45,279 --> 01:31:47,960
it is. The imagination is your belief in how you

1696
01:31:48,000 --> 01:31:51,880
access this stuff. And it's like, oh wow, this little

1697
01:31:52,600 --> 01:31:53,960
he's like, what do you see? What do you see?

1698
01:31:54,000 --> 01:31:56,720
Some what are you seeing? He's explaining he's fighting them

1699
01:31:56,720 --> 01:32:00,279
and stuff, and it's fully immersed and he takes it

1700
01:32:00,319 --> 01:32:02,000
off and he's like, what did you see. He's like, yeah,

1701
01:32:02,039 --> 01:32:04,600
God is telling me to fight the bad guys, and

1702
01:32:04,760 --> 01:32:07,399
I'm taking up for God. And there are bad guys,

1703
01:32:07,439 --> 01:32:10,039
like you know, how did you know that they were bad? Well,

1704
01:32:10,079 --> 01:32:12,760
there was two of them and you know they had abilities.

1705
01:32:12,760 --> 01:32:14,920
And he's just like this whole world and it's a

1706
01:32:14,920 --> 01:32:19,079
little kid. So I'm just like watching it in chills,

1707
01:32:19,119 --> 01:32:24,399
like this is insane. And then his daughter puts it on,

1708
01:32:24,520 --> 01:32:26,600
and she's a little bit older, so you're thinking maybe

1709
01:32:26,600 --> 01:32:29,800
it's a little bit harder for her, and hers was

1710
01:32:30,000 --> 01:32:34,000
just just as profound. She sits on the bed, the

1711
01:32:34,039 --> 01:32:36,760
little boy was jumping and punching. You know, in this

1712
01:32:37,000 --> 01:32:41,600
interactive world she puts it on. There is no clear

1713
01:32:41,640 --> 01:32:44,000
your mind, there is no what do you you know?

1714
01:32:44,119 --> 01:32:46,399
Let's forget about the cares of the day, there is

1715
01:32:46,439 --> 01:32:48,960
no God of meditation. There's put this on. What do

1716
01:32:49,039 --> 01:32:54,800
you see? And so she just starts explaining like she's

1717
01:32:54,840 --> 01:32:57,920
like I see God, and you in the expression and

1718
01:32:57,960 --> 01:33:01,159
the innocence in her voice, He's like, oh, you see

1719
01:33:01,199 --> 01:33:03,520
God too, and you can hear it in her voice,

1720
01:33:04,039 --> 01:33:06,680
and she's like sticking out her hand and she's like

1721
01:33:06,840 --> 01:33:10,279
reaching up for God. He's like, uh, man, I see

1722
01:33:10,319 --> 01:33:14,680
I see God in what's he what's he saying? And uh?

1723
01:33:14,840 --> 01:33:17,239
And my friend Dan, he's a he's a musician. Just

1724
01:33:17,279 --> 01:33:20,279
put out a phenomenal album about your identity in Christ.

1725
01:33:20,520 --> 01:33:25,359
It's a really good album. And and so she says,

1726
01:33:27,000 --> 01:33:31,119
I'm seeing stars and I see the moon and she's

1727
01:33:31,640 --> 01:33:35,399
the expression the expression is what it is, the expression

1728
01:33:35,439 --> 01:33:38,479
on their face and they're literally caught up, like looking

1729
01:33:38,520 --> 01:33:43,039
around and uh. And she said, God's telling me I

1730
01:33:43,079 --> 01:33:46,319
hear your song, Dad, And God tells me he likes

1731
01:33:46,319 --> 01:33:46,760
your song.

1732
01:33:48,720 --> 01:33:48,920
Speaker 4: Wow.

1733
01:33:49,600 --> 01:33:53,800
Speaker 1: It's like I'm watching this and I'm crying. Man, Like, wow,

1734
01:33:53,880 --> 01:33:57,399
this is so like the innocence that's there and the

1735
01:33:57,479 --> 01:34:02,079
beauty and you know, it's just, uh, something's happening, man.

1736
01:34:02,119 --> 01:34:05,159
And if we will engage, if we will step in, man,

1737
01:34:05,199 --> 01:34:07,039
this stuff will become real to us. You know, we'll

1738
01:34:07,079 --> 01:34:11,359
begin to see what God says about a situation. Man.

1739
01:34:11,399 --> 01:34:15,680
If well, if we will, you know, turn off the television,

1740
01:34:15,840 --> 01:34:19,479
social media, whatever it is that you're getting your information from. Listen.

1741
01:34:19,960 --> 01:34:23,760
I urge you to go directly to your creator. You know,

1742
01:34:25,399 --> 01:34:28,159
that's how easy it is. Close your eyes, man, put something.

1743
01:34:28,600 --> 01:34:30,520
You know, that's how easy it is. The child like

1744
01:34:30,560 --> 01:34:32,479
you have to become like a little child in order

1745
01:34:32,520 --> 01:34:35,680
to step in and interact and embrace the kingdom.

1746
01:34:36,239 --> 01:34:38,600
Speaker 4: That's it, We're already there. There's no effort. In fact,

1747
01:34:38,640 --> 01:34:41,319
the effort is to get into no effort. You know,

1748
01:34:41,319 --> 01:34:44,239
it says we labored to get into rest. Yeah, we

1749
01:34:44,359 --> 01:34:47,479
thought that was quite an oxymoron, but it's really a

1750
01:34:47,479 --> 01:34:51,600
powerful statement that you know, I mean, even on a

1751
01:34:51,640 --> 01:34:54,439
scientific level, you know, using your breath to get your

1752
01:34:54,479 --> 01:34:58,079
brain and your mind into a certain brain waves and

1753
01:34:58,119 --> 01:35:03,520
things like that. That's just like you say, the innocence

1754
01:35:03,560 --> 01:35:08,119
of children just totally inspiring. I mean I say, I mean,

1755
01:35:08,119 --> 01:35:10,479
I've got I've got kids, and they always inspired me,

1756
01:35:10,720 --> 01:35:13,800
always inspired me, you know, and you know I think

1757
01:35:13,960 --> 01:35:17,279
you know, they've incarnated here that here so I can

1758
01:35:17,279 --> 01:35:20,079
teach them. No, no, no, they've probably told me I told them,

1759
01:35:20,119 --> 01:35:20,680
you know what I mean?

1760
01:35:21,119 --> 01:35:25,159
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, And they all have something different and something beautiful,

1761
01:35:25,239 --> 01:35:27,079
just like you know, part of the body to think

1762
01:35:27,079 --> 01:35:29,920
that every kid, you know, even with his kids. Let's say,

1763
01:35:29,960 --> 01:35:33,079
maybe maybe all kids aren't like that, but you know,

1764
01:35:33,119 --> 01:35:36,439
it's something special that they have to honor and to cultivate,

1765
01:35:37,000 --> 01:35:39,600
you know, and to learn from maybe other kids. My daughter,

1766
01:35:39,640 --> 01:35:44,880
I'll say this, my daughter her giving her and she's sixteen,

1767
01:35:44,960 --> 01:35:48,880
but like she'll she'll go to work and she's got

1768
01:35:48,880 --> 01:35:51,399
a job and she works at Starbucks, and she'll she'll

1769
01:35:51,399 --> 01:35:53,800
take her whole paycheck and spend it on her friends,

1770
01:35:54,520 --> 01:35:56,920
you know, just to see them smile, just to see

1771
01:35:57,680 --> 01:36:00,920
just to uh, you know, to to She's always been

1772
01:36:00,920 --> 01:36:03,640
like that, ever since she was a toddler. Of just

1773
01:36:03,720 --> 01:36:08,199
the selflessness. And it's like, listen, everybody has a you know,

1774
01:36:09,319 --> 01:36:11,479
both natures in them. You know what I'm saying. You

1775
01:36:11,520 --> 01:36:15,319
have higher, you have the lower, and you have to choose.

1776
01:36:15,800 --> 01:36:17,640
You have to choose love. You have to choose the

1777
01:36:17,720 --> 01:36:20,800
higher expression. And the more that we choose, and the

1778
01:36:20,840 --> 01:36:23,720
more people that choose, listen, this is spiritual awakening, This

1779
01:36:23,760 --> 01:36:25,920
is global awakening. The more that we choose, the more

1780
01:36:25,960 --> 01:36:28,239
that we begin to live in a world where people

1781
01:36:28,319 --> 01:36:32,840
honor others over honoring themselves. And they have that beauty

1782
01:36:32,880 --> 01:36:35,760
and that spark that they bring to the table, you know,

1783
01:36:35,800 --> 01:36:37,720
and I tie that in you know, that Dan and

1784
01:36:37,760 --> 01:36:40,520
his children and just seeing that videos like listen, maybe

1785
01:36:40,760 --> 01:36:43,279
maybe the veil ist thinner. You know, people are saying

1786
01:36:43,319 --> 01:36:46,800
that we're merging and it's easier. So try it, man,

1787
01:36:47,560 --> 01:36:51,479
Try stepping in. Try asking for the things that you've

1788
01:36:51,520 --> 01:36:53,960
seen in your visions, the things that you've seen in

1789
01:36:54,239 --> 01:36:57,199
your dreams, that they are real, That there is a

1790
01:36:57,239 --> 01:36:59,720
world within a world that is more real than this one.

1791
01:37:00,159 --> 01:37:02,039
You know, what a scene is temporal, but what is

1792
01:37:02,119 --> 01:37:06,800
unseen is eternal. And I really believe that me too.

1793
01:37:07,439 --> 01:37:09,760
Speaker 4: And I think something I tell my kids is a

1794
01:37:10,159 --> 01:37:13,439
follow your passions, follow your dreams. You know, never ever,

1795
01:37:13,560 --> 01:37:18,119
ever settle for something that isn't igniting you within. And

1796
01:37:18,159 --> 01:37:20,520
if you can imagine that, you can do it. You know,

1797
01:37:21,920 --> 01:37:24,199
and we say this are teaching the kids, we need

1798
01:37:24,239 --> 01:37:26,720
to tell this ourselves as well. You know, dream big,

1799
01:37:26,920 --> 01:37:31,319
visualize and manifest and create. This is our creative ability.

1800
01:37:32,079 --> 01:37:34,319
You know. Sean Hall has done a great book. You

1801
01:37:34,399 --> 01:37:37,640
talked about it, The Science of Miracles. I've read Joey Spenser.

1802
01:37:39,079 --> 01:37:41,920
You know, I've really looked into that, that the art

1803
01:37:42,000 --> 01:37:45,479
of manifestation, and it really is an artist. It's it's science,

1804
01:37:45,520 --> 01:37:48,279
but it's an art. And you know when I say

1805
01:37:48,319 --> 01:37:51,720
I'm a feeler, you know that's helped me musically, you know,

1806
01:37:52,159 --> 01:37:57,800
but also in life, I'm learning to use my feeling,

1807
01:37:57,880 --> 01:38:03,239
my emotions, and my energy to shift circumstances outside of me,

1808
01:38:03,479 --> 01:38:03,680
you know.

1809
01:38:04,000 --> 01:38:04,520
Speaker 1: And and.

1810
01:38:07,319 --> 01:38:09,960
Speaker 4: To the very fact that I'm on this show with

1811
01:38:10,000 --> 01:38:11,920
you now is testament to that.

1812
01:38:13,039 --> 01:38:14,960
Speaker 1: Hey, I said the same thing. You know, I was

1813
01:38:15,039 --> 01:38:18,000
on you know, I was on with Carry Cassidy, you know,

1814
01:38:18,079 --> 01:38:23,479
and she interviewed me. It's been probably twenty eighteen, twenty seventeen.

1815
01:38:23,600 --> 01:38:26,159
But for me, it's like, you know, when you consume

1816
01:38:26,319 --> 01:38:30,319
hours of content from somebody, and all of these experts

1817
01:38:30,319 --> 01:38:32,680
have gone on, people that you've gleaned from and study,

1818
01:38:32,760 --> 01:38:35,000
and you've consumed hours, and now you're talking to them

1819
01:38:35,039 --> 01:38:38,119
as a peer, you know, it's like it is a

1820
01:38:38,119 --> 01:38:42,479
piece of that magic. Vanna Barbs and here in the

1821
01:38:42,560 --> 01:38:47,800
chat says imagination eye, Magi nation, you know, the eye

1822
01:38:47,880 --> 01:38:49,720
of the Magi man. You know what I'm saying, to

1823
01:38:49,760 --> 01:38:53,159
be able to see into the unseen and manifested.

1824
01:38:53,880 --> 01:38:56,239
Speaker 4: You know, it really is magic.

1825
01:38:56,359 --> 01:38:57,159
Speaker 1: It's white magic.

1826
01:38:58,079 --> 01:39:00,720
Speaker 4: It is exactly white magic and sale.

1827
01:39:00,479 --> 01:39:04,920
Speaker 1: Now white magic for the magi. That's what I say.

1828
01:39:04,960 --> 01:39:07,520
If you life in that third eye, elevating new levels

1829
01:39:07,520 --> 01:39:10,479
in the mind, when you let your ego die the seeker,

1830
01:39:10,560 --> 01:39:13,000
he shall find new the mintions in the mind. Your

1831
01:39:13,039 --> 01:39:16,600
life is synchronized. You're divine by design. Man. When you

1832
01:39:16,680 --> 01:39:20,359
understand that, you bring the power. You know, you become

1833
01:39:20,399 --> 01:39:24,119
co creators and co manifestors with with God. You start

1834
01:39:24,159 --> 01:39:26,640
working with God versus working against you know.

1835
01:39:27,880 --> 01:39:32,119
Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely, it is massive and that's been one of

1836
01:39:32,159 --> 01:39:35,720
the biggest lessons for me because you know, we're not

1837
01:39:35,760 --> 01:39:38,239
a victim of our circumstances. Were the creator of it.

1838
01:39:38,680 --> 01:39:41,399
And so if you're not happy with with your with

1839
01:39:41,439 --> 01:39:44,760
what your experience, it's because there's something internal. You know,

1840
01:39:44,840 --> 01:39:48,319
deal with your crap, go within and get the deal

1841
01:39:49,000 --> 01:39:52,520
and change it. Shift your energy, shift your vibration and

1842
01:39:52,600 --> 01:39:53,680
just what's the magic happen?

1843
01:39:53,800 --> 01:39:56,800
Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, process. I mean you got to get sick

1844
01:39:56,840 --> 01:39:59,359
and tired of being sick and tired yep, you know,

1845
01:39:59,640 --> 01:40:03,359
and didn't have the ability or the spark to want

1846
01:40:03,359 --> 01:40:06,279
to change it. You know, there's two that's a like,

1847
01:40:06,680 --> 01:40:08,640
that's a that's a huge step. I mean, it's one

1848
01:40:08,680 --> 01:40:11,680
of the biggest steps. But it's huge and it can

1849
01:40:11,720 --> 01:40:14,680
happen early. And if you get past that part to

1850
01:40:14,760 --> 01:40:19,359
get tired, check now do you want to change it.

1851
01:40:20,119 --> 01:40:22,640
Check do you have the faith and the belief and

1852
01:40:22,680 --> 01:40:27,199
the imagination that you can. You know, many things help

1853
01:40:27,279 --> 01:40:33,199
that testimonies are huge. What other people have done to

1854
01:40:33,319 --> 01:40:37,079
change their situation. I talked about, I know, we don't

1855
01:40:37,239 --> 01:40:40,439
like this word, but being jealous and envious of people

1856
01:40:41,000 --> 01:40:45,000
who are in there in their truth and in their dream,

1857
01:40:45,560 --> 01:40:48,960
you know, And and I was jealous and envious using

1858
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those words in a good way. It's what you do

1859
01:40:52,239 --> 01:40:54,680
with jealousy and envy. Like most people are moved to

1860
01:40:55,359 --> 01:40:59,159
anger or or plotting and mad and become a hater.

1861
01:41:00,760 --> 01:41:05,159
Like if you become jealous and envious, then you want

1862
01:41:05,159 --> 01:41:08,079
to do what you can to create a similar situation

1863
01:41:08,239 --> 01:41:12,439
for yourself. Not the backbite, but but that that jealousy

1864
01:41:12,479 --> 01:41:16,319
and envy shows you. Listen, it's possible. The Bible says

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all things are possible to them that belief. First of all,

1866
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I need to believe it. If you want to see it,

1867
01:41:21,600 --> 01:41:24,720
you gotta believe it. And so seeing other people's lives,

1868
01:41:25,960 --> 01:41:30,279
seeing people who start an online business and sell crystals,

1869
01:41:30,720 --> 01:41:33,680
Yeah what, No, there's not enough money. There's there's too many,

1870
01:41:33,800 --> 01:41:37,159
too many crystal businesses. There's already one that's, you know,

1871
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the main one. I can't compete. No man, try it. Like,

1872
01:41:40,039 --> 01:41:42,319
if that's what you want to do, muster up the

1873
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strength to do it. And now what Now I get

1874
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to wake up and research and teach about and sell

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01:41:48,600 --> 01:41:52,600
crystals for a living. I was waking up and I

1876
01:41:52,640 --> 01:41:54,640
was a waitress for a living. I didn't I did it.

1877
01:41:54,680 --> 01:41:56,760
I didn't like it. I thought it was my plight,

1878
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but I changed my situation. And that song vacation by

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Dirty Heads, Hey, I'm on vacation and every single day

1880
01:42:06,800 --> 01:42:10,000
because I love my occupation. If you don't like your life,

1881
01:42:10,279 --> 01:42:13,960
then you should go and change it. Like listen, don't complain,

1882
01:42:14,199 --> 01:42:17,199
don't blame. You know what I'm saying. You become you.

1883
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You were a victim, but you are now the victor

1884
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to your situation.

1885
01:42:22,239 --> 01:42:25,159
Speaker 4: And in a realization, use.

1886
01:42:25,159 --> 01:42:28,960
Speaker 1: The alchemy to change it and seeing a beacon seeing

1887
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what you did. Obviously you've seen what I did, and

1888
01:42:31,960 --> 01:42:33,720
we pay it forward, you know what I'm saying. And

1889
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you pay it forward and somebody else who watches you,

1890
01:42:36,520 --> 01:42:38,880
and somebody else will sees your freedom, somebody else will

1891
01:42:38,880 --> 01:42:42,800
sees your fruit, and we just cycle disciples. You know

1892
01:42:42,800 --> 01:42:46,199
what I'm saying, and that's what it's about. Man, each

1893
01:42:46,239 --> 01:42:51,520
one reached one with the testimony is that simple, that's it.

1894
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Speaker 4: Can't disagree with any of that.

1895
01:42:55,479 --> 01:42:57,520
Speaker 1: Uh, Man, I can go all day, bro, I've been

1896
01:42:58,279 --> 01:43:00,000
enjoyed this talk. What time is it where you are?

1897
01:43:00,760 --> 01:43:02,520
Speaker 4: It's ten to six in the evening now.

1898
01:43:03,319 --> 01:43:07,600
Speaker 1: Ten to six, eleven fifty one am here. So yeah,

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a bit of a difference, but I've enjoyed it so

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far to.

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Speaker 4: Walk and you know, for me, it's it's personal connection

1902
01:43:17,439 --> 01:43:20,720
is so important, and that's what I've really valued in

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01:43:21,159 --> 01:43:24,520
the Awakening is meeting people on that same vibe and

1904
01:43:25,720 --> 01:43:28,800
just just conversations like this, just just mates talking. You know,

1905
01:43:29,640 --> 01:43:33,000
I'm so I'm bored of going to I know it

1906
01:43:33,000 --> 01:43:35,840
has its place, and I'm not going to a meeting

1907
01:43:35,880 --> 01:43:38,439
and listen to preach at you. I want a conversation.

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01:43:38,560 --> 01:43:41,119
I want to ask questions and you know, and I

1909
01:43:41,159 --> 01:43:44,079
think exactly, and I think back in the day, you know,

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when Paul would travel the world and what have you,

1911
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I think that's what he was doing. He wasn't going

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01:43:47,680 --> 01:43:49,680
to a church meeting. He was going in someone's house

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01:43:49,680 --> 01:43:52,399
and saying, I've got this amazing revelation listen to this,

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and then the DA have a chat about it.

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Speaker 1: You know, he's spiritual gifts, like he talks about like

1916
01:43:58,600 --> 01:44:02,560
feeling out or discerning that group. Let me discern. Let

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01:44:02,560 --> 01:44:05,640
me discern my audience and see where they are. There's

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many things. There's many places we can go, and so

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certain ones, he says, Listen, I brought and imparted spiritual

1920
01:44:12,279 --> 01:44:15,399
gifts to you, like I've taught you how to use

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and trained you in spiritual gifts and other places he

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01:44:19,279 --> 01:44:22,960
went to. I think it's interesting. He's like, listen, I've

1923
01:44:23,000 --> 01:44:27,640
made it my point to only preach Christ Crucified just

1924
01:44:27,640 --> 01:44:30,239
because you've guys have gotten way off on your love.

1925
01:44:30,319 --> 01:44:32,560
You guys have gotten way off on your pursuits, and

1926
01:44:32,640 --> 01:44:36,279
so you guys aren't ready because you know so I'm

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01:44:36,359 --> 01:44:38,680
it's Christ Crucified. Listen. We need to make sure that

1928
01:44:38,720 --> 01:44:41,079
we have the basics. You know, we have, we have

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graduated from the basics. But but they are foundational and

1930
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so I'm not talking about anything else with you. And

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so he was able to fill out groups, man, and

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see what they were, what they're ready for. You just

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did the same thing, man, he said, Listen, like I

1934
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got many things to show you, but you're not ready

1935
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and and it can mess people up in awakening. And

1936
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we have messed people up in awakening when we try

1937
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to force them to wake up or show them information

1938
01:45:08,800 --> 01:45:11,720
that they're not ready for, and they question everything, and

1939
01:45:11,920 --> 01:45:15,279
not in a good way. It's just been it should

1940
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be something natural. Obviously, there is jolting, and there is

1941
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everything I knew was that was real as a lie.

1942
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So there is how do you cope? How do you

1943
01:45:23,760 --> 01:45:26,800
course correct? How do you maintain? How do you breathe

1944
01:45:26,880 --> 01:45:27,600
through that? You know?

1945
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Speaker 4: One thing which I were dealing with them spiritual circles,

1946
01:45:35,079 --> 01:45:38,439
a lot of talk about karma, and I get what

1947
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they're talking about. You know that there is what you

1948
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put out is what you get, you know, and that's science,

1949
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it's it's energy. What what I found is that you know,

1950
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they're talking about burning off karma, this, that and the other,

1951
01:45:50,960 --> 01:45:53,920
going through hard times, and I'm just like, didn't Jesus

1952
01:45:53,920 --> 01:45:58,199
do that for us? You know what I mean. I'm

1953
01:45:58,239 --> 01:46:01,319
not going into these circles to preach at them, but

1954
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there's going to come a point where, you know, I

1955
01:46:05,359 --> 01:46:09,560
absolutely believe in karma. I think karma is the is religion.

1956
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I think that's what it is. It's you know, but

1957
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Jesus ended the karmic cycle. You know, he died our death,

1958
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he paid the karmic price. And I'm yet to tell

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to say that to to someone. And I'm going to

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be interested in the in the reaction. You know, dude,

1961
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you've been liberated from your karma. Enjoy you are ascended life,

1962
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you know what I mean. That's the good news, will

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already there be awakened, be enlightened to it.

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Speaker 1: You don't have to. You don't have to. You know,

1965
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you don't have to put up with them cycles, so

1966
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you don't have to be a victim of the cycles.

1967
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Like cycles happen for a reason, right, And I do

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believe like you reap what you sow Jesus.

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Speaker 4: A seasons, Yeah, there are seasons.

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Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, Be not deceived that whatsoever

1971
01:46:53,760 --> 01:46:56,720
you saw amissed. I also read like I've seen it

1972
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in my life, like but it was like it was

1973
01:46:59,319 --> 01:47:01,399
always a punt because I've seen it, you know what

1974
01:47:01,439 --> 01:47:03,760
I'm saying. Of like I was conscious to see it.

1975
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And I remember, you know, doing exposed videos on people

1976
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and calling people false profits and exposing and saying stay

1977
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away from so and so they're double worshippers. And then

1978
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it's happening to me. You know what I'm saying. I'm

1979
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like I can only laugh through it. You know, Hey,

1980
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I put it out there and you know how so

1981
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so now like to know if you know that. But

1982
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that's manifestation. Like whatever you put out is coming back.

1983
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It is a sling shot boomerang if you will, So

1984
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start putting good stuff out, like be conscious aware that

1985
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I'm sowing seeds that other people are going to water

1986
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and somebody else is gonna sit under the shade of

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that of that tree. So doing that consciously to manifest

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01:47:52,239 --> 01:47:54,680
a better life for yourself, for your kids, for for

1989
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other people who you may not even see. And that's

1990
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how it works. I mean, this talk, this podcast doing

1991
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that for sure. And so I've done it, you know,

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Jesus says, you know what you've done unto the least

1993
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of these you've done unto me, No, we haven't. Listen.

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When I was in prison, you guys visited me when

1995
01:48:12,479 --> 01:48:14,880
I was thirsty, you gave me water. When did we

1996
01:48:14,920 --> 01:48:16,319
do that? They're like, when did we do that?

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Speaker 4: We did it to that?

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Speaker 1: When you did it to the dude, that you didn't

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get any reward from when nobody saw you. You got

2000
01:48:24,279 --> 01:48:27,680
it from me. So like, I am so elated when

2001
01:48:27,720 --> 01:48:32,560
people labor, you know, alongside me and support what I'm doing.

2002
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Anybody in my community that I'm aware of when they

2003
01:48:36,920 --> 01:48:41,680
put out a work or when they need a friend, Like,

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first of all, God's got you because you've been putting

2005
01:48:46,159 --> 01:48:49,199
that out. When someone needed a friend, you showed up

2006
01:48:49,199 --> 01:48:52,000
as a friend. So when you go through trouble time

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01:48:52,399 --> 01:48:55,359
when you need a friend, a friend will be provided

2008
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for you. When you need somebody to a shoulder to

2009
01:48:58,039 --> 01:49:01,239
cry on, because you've been you've been a shoulder for

2010
01:49:01,279 --> 01:49:04,960
other others to cry on, one would be provided for you. Right.

2011
01:49:05,039 --> 01:49:07,600
I understand that that's how God works, but that's how

2012
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I work too. Like if I know that, uh, you

2013
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know people in my circle are supporting people in my

2014
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circle or sharing, retweeting, like, whatever it is, I'm gonna

2015
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I'm want to return the favor. You know what I'm saying.

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You put out a book, listen, I'm gonna buy it.

2017
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You know why you bought mine? Is that just okay?

2018
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So you only support people that support you? No, But

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I am gonna go above and beyond. You know what

2020
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I'm saying, to do what I can to support and

2021
01:49:32,359 --> 01:49:34,399
to pay it forward because you guys have done it

2022
01:49:34,439 --> 01:49:37,199
to me. And if you don't have that in your

2023
01:49:37,239 --> 01:49:40,960
life and you want it and you need it, become it,

2024
01:49:41,680 --> 01:49:44,479
becoming for somebody else what you need. That's part of

2025
01:49:44,520 --> 01:49:47,680
this learning process. Listen, I know what it's like to

2026
01:49:47,720 --> 01:49:50,479
go through spiritual awakening and not have anybody to talk to.

2027
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I'm gonna I'm just gonna be that person that you

2028
01:49:53,199 --> 01:49:55,199
can talk to. You might not agree with me, might

2029
01:49:55,239 --> 01:49:57,039
not believe in it, but listen, I'm gonna be that

2030
01:49:57,119 --> 01:49:59,279
because I need it in my life, so I'm gonna

2031
01:49:59,279 --> 01:50:01,239
be it. I'm gonna be a friend. I'm gonna I'm

2032
01:50:01,239 --> 01:50:04,600
going to financially sew into your life. I'm going to

2033
01:50:04,640 --> 01:50:07,640
pay for strangers meals out in public. List I'm gonna

2034
01:50:07,680 --> 01:50:13,399
do whatever I can to make somebody's life better, more comfortable,

2035
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release magic into their life. Are in wonder because I

2036
01:50:17,600 --> 01:50:21,000
know that those people are gonna, you know, do it

2037
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for me as well, and I want to see it

2038
01:50:22,560 --> 01:50:24,720
and I want to go deeper into it. And uh

2039
01:50:25,399 --> 01:50:28,239
like that is you know, and you don't do it

2040
01:50:28,279 --> 01:50:30,439
to you know obviously don't let your right hand know

2041
01:50:30,479 --> 01:50:33,159
what your left is doing. But it's law. Whatever you

2042
01:50:33,239 --> 01:50:36,640
put out is coming back. So put out beauty into

2043
01:50:36,680 --> 01:50:39,439
the world and you're going to receive it back as well.

2044
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Speaker 4: So when you when you put out from this conscious

2045
01:50:42,239 --> 01:50:47,159
awareness that we're already there, we're already blessed, we've already

2046
01:50:47,159 --> 01:50:51,439
got our needs. Yeah, it's it's it's effortless, you know,

2047
01:50:52,680 --> 01:50:54,720
so in and reping et cetera. It's been made such

2048
01:50:54,760 --> 01:50:57,600
a work like, oh, you're not got any money, give

2049
01:50:57,680 --> 01:51:01,920
money to get back. But that's kind of convoluted because

2050
01:51:01,920 --> 01:51:05,119
you got to think, No, I am fully blessed in Christ,

2051
01:51:05,239 --> 01:51:08,079
because I'm fully blessed, I am prosperous, and I am wealthy.

2052
01:51:08,439 --> 01:51:10,399
I will give and it might not be a big amount,

2053
01:51:10,399 --> 01:51:12,119
doesn't mind by the amount, but it's your heart's the

2054
01:51:12,239 --> 01:51:16,399
energy you're giving out, and it will come back. It's law.

2055
01:51:16,600 --> 01:51:18,359
It has to happen, you know.

2056
01:51:18,720 --> 01:51:21,079
Speaker 1: And I think the thing is is, you know, to

2057
01:51:21,159 --> 01:51:22,880
keep the mindset is that we're not doing it out

2058
01:51:22,920 --> 01:51:25,239
of lack like you're saying, I'm not doing it to

2059
01:51:25,319 --> 01:51:27,479
get I'm doing it because you know what I'm saying.

2060
01:51:27,479 --> 01:51:29,840
And you need to keep that mindset. And I'm doing

2061
01:51:29,920 --> 01:51:32,760
it because the provision is already out there. I'm not

2062
01:51:32,880 --> 01:51:36,920
becoming already, am You know, even when we talked about jobs,

2063
01:51:36,960 --> 01:51:38,720
or we talked about I want to do something or

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create something, Listen, it's already within you now. The birthing

2065
01:51:42,159 --> 01:51:45,199
process or releasing that or becoming that, like that's a

2066
01:51:45,399 --> 01:51:48,399
you know, that's alchemy. That is manifestation. That takes time

2067
01:51:48,479 --> 01:51:51,520
and energy and some kind of effort. But know that

2068
01:51:51,600 --> 01:51:56,239
it's not outside of you. It is within you. Everything

2069
01:51:56,239 --> 01:51:59,840
you need is already within you. You already are a healer,

2070
01:52:00,079 --> 01:52:04,000
You already are whole, You already are loved. I mean,

2071
01:52:04,399 --> 01:52:07,079
whatever it is you're looking for is within you, and

2072
01:52:07,119 --> 01:52:10,680
it's looking for you, and you're not lacking anything. And

2073
01:52:10,720 --> 01:52:12,520
that is the gospel, like you said, that is this

2074
01:52:12,640 --> 01:52:15,840
place that we create from, you know, spiritual warfare. I

2075
01:52:15,880 --> 01:52:18,159
really believe in it. I do believe in negative entities.

2076
01:52:18,199 --> 01:52:24,279
I do believe in mind manipulation and being overwhelmed and anxiety.

2077
01:52:24,840 --> 01:52:28,159
But we we wore from a place where the battler's

2078
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already won, from a place of victory.

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Speaker 4: And that is a sension. That is what a sension

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01:52:34,439 --> 01:52:36,680
is all about. It's not we're not trying to get somewhere.

2081
01:52:36,720 --> 01:52:39,960
It's realizing where we already are and who and what

2082
01:52:40,079 --> 01:52:43,359
we already are. And you know, loads of people talking

2083
01:52:43,359 --> 01:52:47,760
about ascension. And again I've not a bros this subject

2084
01:52:47,800 --> 01:52:51,039
with spiritual communities and things like that, because I'm just

2085
01:52:51,319 --> 01:52:56,479
building relationship. You know. We don't have to try and

2086
01:52:56,520 --> 01:52:58,640
be what we already are. We just got to be it,

2087
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and we've got to do from a place of being,

2088
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you know. And that's that's the good news. It's it's

2089
01:53:05,159 --> 01:53:08,159
it's so straightforward, but we make it so complicated and

2090
01:53:08,279 --> 01:53:08,880
so odd.

2091
01:53:09,720 --> 01:53:12,199
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's another scripture that says the servants of the

2092
01:53:12,239 --> 01:53:15,199
Lord must not strive, you know, and that's part of

2093
01:53:15,239 --> 01:53:19,000
that work. That's part of that doing it on your

2094
01:53:19,039 --> 01:53:21,119
own strength or your own accord. I mean that even

2095
01:53:21,159 --> 01:53:24,439
the Old Testament is a beautiful scripture that says if

2096
01:53:24,560 --> 01:53:28,279
if if if man builds the house, they labor in vain.

2097
01:53:28,960 --> 01:53:31,600
But if the Lord builds it right, this this structure,

2098
01:53:31,640 --> 01:53:33,560
this thing will be blessed and it will last, and

2099
01:53:33,640 --> 01:53:38,840
so will perfect will of God, you know, permissible will

2100
01:53:38,880 --> 01:53:41,960
of God, what God allows, you know, for teaching and

2101
01:53:42,000 --> 01:53:45,960
training purposes only you know what we learn. But I

2102
01:53:45,960 --> 01:53:48,399
think a lot of times before we go into things,

2103
01:53:48,560 --> 01:53:51,199
at least I know, you know, if something is going

2104
01:53:51,279 --> 01:53:53,760
to be fruitful or I'm just going to try something,

2105
01:53:54,960 --> 01:53:58,439
you know, when it's God breathed, or when it's something

2106
01:53:58,479 --> 01:54:01,399
that's like the said, I'm going to try on my own,

2107
01:54:01,920 --> 01:54:05,800
my own free will, because I can. I don't know

2108
01:54:05,840 --> 01:54:07,680
that I'm supposed to be doing this. I know that

2109
01:54:07,760 --> 01:54:10,880
it could be taking the long way around, you know,

2110
01:54:11,000 --> 01:54:13,399
but I feel like God allows that. And sometimes we

2111
01:54:13,479 --> 01:54:17,680
lose money, we lose what seems to be time because

2112
01:54:17,680 --> 01:54:21,520
we've been there. But someone posted in chat takes the

2113
01:54:21,560 --> 01:54:23,920
words from me says, we live what we learn. Jerry

2114
01:54:24,239 --> 01:54:26,760
Haley says in chat, we live what we learn and

2115
01:54:26,840 --> 01:54:29,279
we learn through that. So what seems to be like

2116
01:54:29,359 --> 01:54:33,199
money and time wasted obviously in the physical, but it

2117
01:54:33,319 --> 01:54:36,079
proves something spiritually, like, Okay, I need to make sure

2118
01:54:36,119 --> 01:54:39,279
that I follow the voice of my intuition and only

2119
01:54:39,359 --> 01:54:43,079
move upon things that I know that that that that

2120
01:54:43,079 --> 01:54:46,239
that are gonna uh, you know, be fruitful and multiply

2121
01:54:46,600 --> 01:54:49,359
if you will. And that's just my personal I've had

2122
01:54:49,359 --> 01:54:51,520
to do it. I still have to do it, you know,

2123
01:54:51,600 --> 01:54:53,920
what I'm saying. I want to start so many ventures

2124
01:54:53,960 --> 01:54:56,079
and I have so many ideas, but to be faithful

2125
01:54:56,119 --> 01:54:59,600
and to stay you know, faithful with the things God

2126
01:54:59,640 --> 01:55:02,560
has given. It's hard. You know, you think it's easy. No, no, no,

2127
01:55:02,600 --> 01:55:05,880
it's the creative and the ideas and the collective and

2128
01:55:05,880 --> 01:55:07,399
all of this. Who can I help and who can

2129
01:55:07,439 --> 01:55:09,760
I take under my wing? And what can I start?

2130
01:55:09,880 --> 01:55:12,039
And juggling it. You only have so many hours in

2131
01:55:12,079 --> 01:55:16,199
the day. So the things that you feel intuitively led to,

2132
01:55:16,680 --> 01:55:18,439
you know, you think that God is calling you, there's

2133
01:55:18,439 --> 01:55:22,199
a there's a connection there. Pursue those things, follow the intuition,

2134
01:55:22,279 --> 01:55:23,960
and you learn how to do that. Just like you said,

2135
01:55:23,960 --> 01:55:26,479
you learn how to discern. You learn how to discern

2136
01:55:26,520 --> 01:55:29,159
what the perfect will of God for your life is too.

2137
01:55:30,720 --> 01:55:34,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, and there's no fear involved with that. Remember back

2138
01:55:34,920 --> 01:55:36,600
in the day, it was like, I've got to hear

2139
01:55:36,600 --> 01:55:38,479
the voice of God. I've got to try and fathom

2140
01:55:38,479 --> 01:55:40,000
out what God wants and all this sort of stuff.

2141
01:55:40,000 --> 01:55:43,600
And it's so easy. Just go with it, be at peace,

2142
01:55:43,680 --> 01:55:46,319
be at rest, and it will just happen naturally. It

2143
01:55:46,359 --> 01:55:49,760
will just it's an effortless flow. Life is a flow.

2144
01:55:52,079 --> 01:55:56,399
I looked into Chinese Woo way just as a part

2145
01:55:56,399 --> 01:55:58,239
of my looking at stuff. I don't know if you

2146
01:55:58,239 --> 01:56:01,800
know what that is through weigh is the it's linked

2147
01:56:01,840 --> 01:56:06,199
with loud Sue, you know the what's it's called now.

2148
01:56:06,560 --> 01:56:08,520
He wrote a book a common and it's called now

2149
01:56:08,640 --> 01:56:09,800
very famous.

2150
01:56:11,520 --> 01:56:12,600
Speaker 1: The Art of War.

2151
01:56:13,840 --> 01:56:17,279
Speaker 4: No, no that I can't remember who that was, but

2152
01:56:17,319 --> 01:56:20,920
no loud Sue. It's it's basically just sayings of wisdom, basically,

2153
01:56:21,000 --> 01:56:24,479
and it's all about allowing life just to flow and

2154
01:56:24,520 --> 01:56:27,039
be a part of the flow of life, so we're

2155
01:56:27,079 --> 01:56:30,239
not there's no resistance, like a river doesn't resist anything,

2156
01:56:30,279 --> 01:56:33,800
It just flows. I mean, you know, when when hard

2157
01:56:33,880 --> 01:56:38,119
times come, just just float with the life, just go

2158
01:56:38,199 --> 01:56:40,920
with the life and allow it just to be and

2159
01:56:41,000 --> 01:56:45,159
just just be you in that present moment. And it

2160
01:56:45,239 --> 01:56:47,119
really helped me that And because when you when you

2161
01:56:47,159 --> 01:56:52,680
stop striving, suffering ends. When you stop striving, the the

2162
01:56:53,199 --> 01:56:56,600
life becomes easy. You just allow life to happen. And

2163
01:56:56,600 --> 01:57:00,119
and then when you when you change energetically in that

2164
01:57:00,279 --> 01:57:05,159
effortless flow. Again, I'm here on a podcast that I

2165
01:57:05,479 --> 01:57:07,359
a few years ago, I never dreamed I would be on,

2166
01:57:07,880 --> 01:57:10,159
you know, and as soon as I'd made that decision.

2167
01:57:10,199 --> 01:57:12,640
I'm going to be true to myself, true to what's within.

2168
01:57:15,239 --> 01:57:18,760
Things just popped open. And Seanelle said to me she

2169
01:57:18,920 --> 01:57:21,600
felt that vibration because she was the one that really

2170
01:57:21,960 --> 01:57:25,119
pulled me out of the hidden place. You know, I

2171
01:57:25,159 --> 01:57:27,920
had no connection to anyone or anything. She recognized it.

2172
01:57:27,960 --> 01:57:30,039
She went, you come on the show. You know, she

2173
01:57:30,199 --> 01:57:33,600
gets up me on a platform about to talk, and

2174
01:57:33,640 --> 01:57:35,520
from then it's just bang bang bang bang bang bang.

2175
01:57:35,600 --> 01:57:39,079
It's just opened up and it's effortless. It just happens,

2176
01:57:39,159 --> 01:57:40,800
and it's it's a there's a real lesson. I don't

2177
01:57:40,840 --> 01:57:43,960
have to make anything happen, you know, and you.

2178
01:57:43,880 --> 01:57:45,920
Speaker 1: Put you put the hope, and you put the thought

2179
01:57:46,000 --> 01:57:49,319
and the idea out there and then just give it

2180
01:57:49,399 --> 01:57:52,560
time and when you're supposed to happen, it happens.

2181
01:57:52,920 --> 01:57:56,119
Speaker 4: It will happen. Just just resting it. Yeah, as you know,

2182
01:57:56,199 --> 01:57:59,239
you listen to Neville got hard, you know, never got

2183
01:57:59,640 --> 01:58:03,560
he was Wow, what a guy was very mysterious person.

2184
01:58:03,600 --> 01:58:06,479
Speaker 1: Actually, Hey, hey, is the book you're talking about? The iting?

2185
01:58:06,680 --> 01:58:07,079
Is that what you?

2186
01:58:09,159 --> 01:58:12,840
Speaker 4: I want to hear it loudzuro Really you know what

2187
01:58:13,039 --> 01:58:19,119
see if I can google is once Yeah, yeah, Nevill Godard.

2188
01:58:19,199 --> 01:58:21,560
You know, just the feeling is the key, is what

2189
01:58:21,560 --> 01:58:24,159
it used to say, you know, feel it before it's happened,

2190
01:58:24,159 --> 01:58:25,960
to be in it, before it's manifested.

2191
01:58:31,359 --> 01:58:35,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that's huge feeling that and and and you know,

2192
01:58:36,560 --> 01:58:39,119
and that's where Christianity has kind of gone wrong for us,

2193
01:58:39,199 --> 01:58:42,720
because they told us to abandon even those feelings of

2194
01:58:42,760 --> 01:58:46,159
even your present situation, or to ignore them or to

2195
01:58:47,039 --> 01:58:50,800
pray it away, versus like hold on, like I'm going

2196
01:58:50,880 --> 01:58:51,479
to be present.

2197
01:58:52,439 --> 01:58:55,439
Speaker 4: It is Tutashing talks about the.

2198
01:58:55,399 --> 01:58:57,560
Speaker 1: Down Okay, Okay, that's what I was thinking.

2199
01:58:57,880 --> 01:59:00,520
Speaker 4: The Tutashing is what the book's called by out Soon

2200
01:59:01,039 --> 01:59:04,199
and it's just that why sayings of his basically, and

2201
01:59:04,199 --> 01:59:07,439
it's really fascinating, really good talking about all this kind

2202
01:59:07,479 --> 01:59:07,840
of stuff.

2203
01:59:07,920 --> 01:59:11,399
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, those were the dow I read some

2204
01:59:11,439 --> 01:59:13,640
of it, not much and not an expert by any means,

2205
01:59:13,640 --> 01:59:16,239
But what were some of the books early for you?

2206
01:59:16,680 --> 01:59:19,279
Like there's all these for me, there were ancient books

2207
01:59:19,319 --> 01:59:20,560
just to be you know what I'm saying, like I

2208
01:59:20,600 --> 01:59:23,439
wanted the old and I still have a heart for

2209
01:59:24,680 --> 01:59:26,720
where this stuff came from. I'll say that, you know,

2210
01:59:26,720 --> 01:59:28,600
I want to go I want to find the first

2211
01:59:28,640 --> 01:59:33,880
time this thing was introduced or people who encountered it first. Right,

2212
01:59:33,920 --> 01:59:40,000
there's magic there. Most of the books are inspired by

2213
01:59:40,079 --> 01:59:43,479
something older, you know, or there's nothing new under the

2214
01:59:43,520 --> 01:59:45,720
sun as well, you know, we can find where it

2215
01:59:45,760 --> 01:59:48,920
came from. The Bible is full of beautiful experiences, and

2216
01:59:48,960 --> 01:59:51,640
so that's a big part of my heart. And then

2217
01:59:51,760 --> 01:59:54,760
ancient books and even now, you know, I collect a

2218
01:59:54,800 --> 01:59:58,720
lot of older occult books and stuff like in eighteen hundreds,

2219
01:59:58,720 --> 02:00:01,079
and obviously it goes back for in that but a

2220
02:00:01,079 --> 02:00:07,239
lot of stuff was discovered and revealed back then. But

2221
02:00:07,359 --> 02:00:10,000
what what were some of the books for you that

2222
02:00:10,439 --> 02:00:11,439
early on helped you out.

2223
02:00:13,800 --> 02:00:15,920
Speaker 4: I'm a really really slow reader.

2224
02:00:16,399 --> 02:00:18,760
Speaker 1: To me too, I got so many opening.

2225
02:00:20,159 --> 02:00:21,880
Speaker 4: It takes me ages, and I'll read a page and

2226
02:00:21,920 --> 02:00:23,880
I'll think about it and next thing off. And I

2227
02:00:23,960 --> 02:00:27,640
was going to honestly, I always read the books of

2228
02:00:27,760 --> 02:00:30,800
someone who I'm listening to at that point. So I

2229
02:00:30,840 --> 02:00:33,399
read all of David Wilcox's books. They are excellent for

2230
02:00:33,520 --> 02:00:38,279
expanding your mind, your knowledge, you know, all of it.

2231
02:00:38,399 --> 02:00:41,239
In fact, I've not read his late latest one, Awakening

2232
02:00:41,279 --> 02:00:44,239
in the Dream. Apparently lots of people say he's best ones.

2233
02:00:44,279 --> 02:00:47,359
I don't know, I've not had it. I mean I

2234
02:00:47,840 --> 02:00:51,680
read books like you on the The Art of Freemason

2235
02:00:51,760 --> 02:00:55,399
week because I wanted to understand it and their beliefs,

2236
02:00:55,479 --> 02:00:57,720
why they do what they do and et cetera. And

2237
02:00:57,840 --> 02:00:59,600
I can't remember who was by, to be honest with you,

2238
02:00:59,600 --> 02:01:01,880
I see it. I literally judge books by the cover,

2239
02:01:01,960 --> 02:01:02,760
to be honest.

2240
02:01:03,399 --> 02:01:05,840
Speaker 1: Well judge, but I think I've got a really good cover.

2241
02:01:07,760 --> 02:01:12,199
Speaker 4: Yeah, And I mean it's it's wherever again, I feel

2242
02:01:12,279 --> 02:01:14,479
it's wherever feel led to go into. I mean, like

2243
02:01:14,520 --> 02:01:18,319
I say, Joe Dispenser's but Becoming Supernatural. It was so

2244
02:01:18,439 --> 02:01:23,560
good in going delving into the science of the energy centers,

2245
02:01:23,119 --> 02:01:26,960
that the manifestation process, the power of brain waves and

2246
02:01:27,039 --> 02:01:30,720
brain frequencies. Because I'm a lot more scientific than I

2247
02:01:30,800 --> 02:01:32,159
like to admit, to be honest, you, I think you

2248
02:01:32,199 --> 02:01:34,920
know so I'm a feeler, but I'm very analytical as well,

2249
02:01:34,920 --> 02:01:37,359
and obviously being a drummer, I can see why because

2250
02:01:37,359 --> 02:01:40,479
it's all about numbers and feelings, you know, both times.

2251
02:01:42,520 --> 02:01:46,399
So yeah, I think I said to you when we

2252
02:01:46,439 --> 02:01:48,399
interviewed you that I was one of those like I

2253
02:01:48,439 --> 02:01:51,279
would not read something unless it was by a Christian

2254
02:01:51,319 --> 02:01:54,680
author for so many years. Then when I started to

2255
02:01:54,760 --> 02:01:58,000
delve into stuff, and again I watch a lot of stuff,

2256
02:01:58,039 --> 02:01:59,880
you know, because I'm quite a visual learner as well,

2257
02:02:00,079 --> 02:02:02,319
because I'm such a slow reader. It takes me such

2258
02:02:02,359 --> 02:02:06,960
a long time. Yeah, that was just a few And obviously,

2259
02:02:07,000 --> 02:02:08,760
you know the maror Bible, as I mentioned before, that

2260
02:02:09,119 --> 02:02:13,840
was so good for re understanding scriptures and the original

2261
02:02:13,880 --> 02:02:17,359
intention of the author and not just what King James

2262
02:02:17,439 --> 02:02:18,359
wanted me to learn.

2263
02:02:19,359 --> 02:02:24,720
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, that's huge, man, just getting a different take,

2264
02:02:24,840 --> 02:02:28,000
especially on the Bible. People are so close minded to

2265
02:02:28,079 --> 02:02:30,680
that right, because there's only one meaning. You know, there

2266
02:02:30,760 --> 02:02:32,560
is no what the Book of Timothy says. There is

2267
02:02:32,600 --> 02:02:36,680
no private interpretation of scripture. Listen, that's your private interpretation.

2268
02:02:38,920 --> 02:02:43,840
There's the early mystics and early believers believed and read

2269
02:02:43,840 --> 02:02:48,279
the Bible with four different layers of understanding. At least

2270
02:02:48,359 --> 02:02:51,720
some would say seven, some say eleven, some say ninety nine. Like,

2271
02:02:51,760 --> 02:02:53,760
there's all kinds of different layers. But what I found

2272
02:02:53,920 --> 02:02:56,680
and agreed upon it is four. There's a literal, right,

2273
02:02:56,720 --> 02:02:58,439
you read it as literal, and I feel like that

2274
02:02:58,479 --> 02:03:01,159
makes it more real for you, It makes it more tangible.

2275
02:03:01,159 --> 02:03:04,680
In your reality. But there's the spiritual and the esoteric,

2276
02:03:04,760 --> 02:03:08,800
and then there's the the you know, allegorical, the symbolic

2277
02:03:08,920 --> 02:03:11,479
of what this this? What is? What is this symbolizing

2278
02:03:11,720 --> 02:03:15,119
for me today? Now? What it meant for them six

2279
02:03:15,199 --> 02:03:17,960
thousand years ago, two thousand years ago? But today what

2280
02:03:18,000 --> 02:03:21,319
does this mean for me? And uh? And and find

2281
02:03:21,359 --> 02:03:24,920
that meaning and resonate with it. And it's hidden stories.

2282
02:03:24,960 --> 02:03:28,079
It is hidden parables the way that you know Jesus taught,

2283
02:03:28,159 --> 02:03:32,479
you know, Jesus taught with questions, He taught with reflections

2284
02:03:32,520 --> 02:03:36,359
and and asking you a question and using parables and

2285
02:03:36,520 --> 02:03:39,880
signs and symbols, you know, And so to understand that,

2286
02:03:40,039 --> 02:03:44,479
like it becomes much more than first of all, a

2287
02:03:44,560 --> 02:03:47,760
dead book. And now I'll say this, I'm I'm partial

2288
02:03:47,800 --> 02:03:50,199
to the Bible. I do believe it's it's inspired. I

2289
02:03:50,239 --> 02:03:53,000
believe it's the most magical book on the planet. Honestly,

2290
02:03:53,520 --> 02:03:56,000
there's these uh and I need to try this, but

2291
02:03:56,039 --> 02:03:58,720
there's this uh, these TikTok videos that are blowing up

2292
02:03:59,600 --> 02:04:05,960
where peopeople are taking electric meter readers, like for like

2293
02:04:06,319 --> 02:04:07,920
you stick in the wall socket to make sure that

2294
02:04:07,960 --> 02:04:11,039
it's got a charge and it beings or whatever. So

2295
02:04:12,279 --> 02:04:15,039
electricians use them. But there's this trend on TikTok that

2296
02:04:15,079 --> 02:04:18,279
everyone's doing. It's going viral. They're literally taking those charges

2297
02:04:18,319 --> 02:04:21,359
and they're holding them to their Bible and it's it's dinging,

2298
02:04:21,880 --> 02:04:24,239
and they're putting they're putting them on their computer, they're

2299
02:04:24,239 --> 02:04:26,960
putting them on other books and nothing. But when they

2300
02:04:27,000 --> 02:04:30,520
touch it to the Bible, it's like lighting up, like, hey,

2301
02:04:30,560 --> 02:04:33,399
this thing is emitting energy. Man, this thing is alive

2302
02:04:33,560 --> 02:04:36,159
and sharper than any two edges and sword, you know

2303
02:04:36,159 --> 02:04:39,760
what I'm saying. So a book that you read, but

2304
02:04:39,880 --> 02:04:44,279
you're being deceived. The book is reading you. If you

2305
02:04:44,359 --> 02:04:46,760
read it with an open heart and an open mind

2306
02:04:46,840 --> 02:04:50,279
and an open spirit, you'll find out things about your life,

2307
02:04:50,319 --> 02:04:53,039
about your psyche, about your heart that you never knew.

2308
02:04:53,479 --> 02:04:55,640
And God knows exactly where you are. He is in

2309
02:04:55,760 --> 02:04:58,880
all and through all and above all, and uh, and

2310
02:04:58,920 --> 02:05:03,119
he he knows us in and out. Synchronicities like all

2311
02:05:03,159 --> 02:05:07,680
of that. It started increasing, man, but it's it takes

2312
02:05:07,720 --> 02:05:10,199
something to awaken you, because you got to get out

2313
02:05:10,199 --> 02:05:13,119
of the mundane right. And most Christians, I would say,

2314
02:05:13,159 --> 02:05:16,039
at least most spiritual Christians like the Bible in and

2315
02:05:16,079 --> 02:05:19,359
of itself is already spiritual, like it connects them to God,

2316
02:05:19,439 --> 02:05:22,600
it connects them to Jesus and where they're going when

2317
02:05:22,680 --> 02:05:26,680
they pass from here, you know, light and truth. So

2318
02:05:26,760 --> 02:05:30,560
it already has this majesty behind it. But when you

2319
02:05:30,640 --> 02:05:32,720
have to approach it with that, and as long as

2320
02:05:32,720 --> 02:05:35,800
you approach it with this, with this majestic song and

2321
02:05:35,880 --> 02:05:39,199
dance with the Creator, you're you're stepping into the divine.

2322
02:05:39,239 --> 02:05:42,039
And then that just kind of grows deeper and deeper

2323
02:05:42,159 --> 02:05:45,479
and deeper because you don't know anything about the allegory

2324
02:05:45,960 --> 02:05:48,560
until God reveals it to you, to the Holy Spirit

2325
02:05:48,600 --> 02:05:51,159
reveals it to you. For me, it was it was

2326
02:05:51,359 --> 02:05:54,399
reading the Bible early on, like I'm talking about like

2327
02:05:54,600 --> 02:05:57,479
what we would call a baby Christian, fresh out of

2328
02:05:57,920 --> 02:06:00,960
fresh into this, like just a few and I'm reading

2329
02:06:01,000 --> 02:06:03,720
these stories and the Holy Spirit says, hey, that's you

2330
02:06:04,039 --> 02:06:07,079
right now, what you're dealing with, what you're about to read.

2331
02:06:07,479 --> 02:06:09,359
I want you to pay attention because how they come

2332
02:06:09,399 --> 02:06:11,760
out of it and how they overcame, you're going to

2333
02:06:11,840 --> 02:06:13,439
do the same thing. And I'm like, what is this?

2334
02:06:13,760 --> 02:06:16,439
It's that inward reflection as I'm reading, I'm like, okay,

2335
02:06:16,960 --> 02:06:20,239
And then I'm like, I just see myself in those pages.

2336
02:06:20,760 --> 02:06:23,000
It's like, Wow, I thought we're reading about people six

2337
02:06:23,039 --> 02:06:25,279
thousand years ago. It's like, no, this is you, man,

2338
02:06:25,680 --> 02:06:28,880
this is you in this book. And I'm like, and

2339
02:06:28,880 --> 02:06:31,479
I begin to follow the Israelites and where they were going,

2340
02:06:31,560 --> 02:06:35,720
and my spiritual journey was lined up with their process.

2341
02:06:35,760 --> 02:06:40,560
And it was like this spiritual journey that is in

2342
02:06:40,600 --> 02:06:43,000
the Bible. You know what I'm saying, and asking the

2343
02:06:43,039 --> 02:06:45,319
spirit where do I read? And he meets you where

2344
02:06:45,319 --> 02:06:48,520
you are and brings things and signs and symbols and

2345
02:06:48,560 --> 02:06:51,600
syncreticities into your life, and it just begins to open

2346
02:06:51,680 --> 02:06:55,439
up more more more until you start seeing them inclusive

2347
02:06:55,479 --> 02:06:57,960
and everything. So like at first, we can only see

2348
02:06:58,000 --> 02:07:00,720
Him in Christianity, we can only see in the Bible.

2349
02:07:01,239 --> 02:07:03,880
You know, now we're seeing Him in everything. You know,

2350
02:07:03,960 --> 02:07:07,640
everything is a mirror, everything is a reflection every person.

2351
02:07:07,720 --> 02:07:09,920
We can only see him in christians Now we can

2352
02:07:09,920 --> 02:07:14,359
see Him in the smile, in the smile of a dog.

2353
02:07:14,560 --> 02:07:18,119
You know what I'm saying. Philosophy, religion, you know what

2354
02:07:18,159 --> 02:07:21,239
I'm saying, Like, you see God in all and through all,

2355
02:07:21,319 --> 02:07:25,119
and there's no greater, no greater fulfillment in my mind

2356
02:07:25,119 --> 02:07:27,239
and in my spirit to know that I can't know

2357
02:07:27,319 --> 02:07:30,199
where I can go. Can I run from that love

2358
02:07:30,479 --> 02:07:35,479
and that awareness? And you know, David said, if I

2359
02:07:35,479 --> 02:07:38,439
if I ascend him to heaven, I'm there with you.

2360
02:07:38,520 --> 02:07:41,000
But if I make my bed in hell, there you are.

2361
02:07:41,039 --> 02:07:43,279
There's nowhere nowhere that I can go that I can

2362
02:07:43,319 --> 02:07:48,399
get away from this awareness of God and this consciousness

2363
02:07:48,399 --> 02:07:48,760
of God.

2364
02:07:49,560 --> 02:07:51,920
Speaker 4: And it makes you wonder, doesn't it where the idea

2365
02:07:51,960 --> 02:07:55,199
that with the scripture you just said, where hell is

2366
02:07:55,199 --> 02:07:57,680
the place where God isn't you know? And that's what's

2367
02:07:57,680 --> 02:07:59,760
hell about it. That's not biblical.

2368
02:08:00,760 --> 02:08:03,159
Speaker 1: What it feels like it it's an awareness that he's

2369
02:08:03,199 --> 02:08:05,960
not there. But David's like, listen, look for him.

2370
02:08:06,600 --> 02:08:10,000
Speaker 4: He's there, right, He's everywhere. And again that used to

2371
02:08:10,000 --> 02:08:11,720
get me. I mean, you know, just apply a bit

2372
02:08:11,720 --> 02:08:14,720
of logic to this. You know that God is only

2373
02:08:14,880 --> 02:08:17,359
or Christ is only inside people that have prayed the

2374
02:08:17,399 --> 02:08:21,119
magic prayer. I thought God was omnipresent. Oh yeah, God's omnipresent,

2375
02:08:21,199 --> 02:08:23,439
So he's in everyone. Oh no, no, no, no, he's not everyone.

2376
02:08:23,479 --> 02:08:25,760
Speaker 1: Sometimes it takes that magic prayer to see them. And

2377
02:08:25,800 --> 02:08:28,239
that's it's for you. It's not for God, it's for you.

2378
02:08:28,399 --> 02:08:31,760
Speaker 4: It's an activation and an acknowledgement you are everywhere, and

2379
02:08:31,800 --> 02:08:35,239
then you see it exactly and just just these little

2380
02:08:35,319 --> 02:08:39,199
tweaks that just just have just revolutionized our understanding of

2381
02:08:39,640 --> 02:08:45,399
the scriptures, of the Gospel and of Christianity as a whole. Yeah,

2382
02:08:46,279 --> 02:08:48,159
I'm going to have to shoot in a couple of minutes.

2383
02:08:48,199 --> 02:08:49,880
Speaker 1: All right, man, Well, Craig, listen.

2384
02:08:49,960 --> 02:08:51,680
Speaker 4: I know your Facebook.

2385
02:08:51,760 --> 02:08:53,479
Speaker 1: I know man. I want to keep you forever. Man,

2386
02:08:53,520 --> 02:08:56,840
we've been this is good. It's a good talk. Your

2387
02:08:56,880 --> 02:08:59,760
Facebook's banned, right, you have no you have no read

2388
02:08:59,800 --> 02:09:01,960
to you. You can't even post anything. Where where can

2389
02:09:02,000 --> 02:09:05,439
people find you? You got you got five pages like

2390
02:09:05,920 --> 02:09:08,680
we've got. We need a hub, Craig needs a hub

2391
02:09:08,760 --> 02:09:09,239
like we're.

2392
02:09:09,119 --> 02:09:12,439
Speaker 4: I think I can still accept friend requests.

2393
02:09:13,279 --> 02:09:16,000
Speaker 1: Which page? Which one? What's the name of it?

2394
02:09:17,359 --> 02:09:21,560
Speaker 4: Okay, Well, I've got Craig Martin Walker. That's my original one.

2395
02:09:21,560 --> 02:09:23,760
We'd like a few, a couple of thousand people on there. Whatever.

2396
02:09:24,720 --> 02:09:27,920
Then I did one called just called Craig Walker. I

2397
02:09:27,960 --> 02:09:34,760
did one recently called Craggy Walker. And basically they've they've

2398
02:09:34,760 --> 02:09:37,119
all just had restrictions put on them. Because Facebook doesn't

2399
02:09:37,159 --> 02:09:42,119
like the truth. So the original one in six days

2400
02:09:42,359 --> 02:09:48,760
I'm out of prison. I'll try not to reoffend. We'll see. Yeah,

2401
02:09:48,880 --> 02:09:52,279
So if people just want to send it a request, well,

2402
02:09:52,319 --> 02:09:57,079
Craig Martin Walker one that opens up again in six days.

2403
02:09:57,079 --> 02:09:59,039
If people want to connect there, that's absolutely fine. I mean,

2404
02:09:59,039 --> 02:10:01,479
people send message is when I've done these interviews and

2405
02:10:01,479 --> 02:10:05,920
I just love talking to people. People have opinions, their stories.

2406
02:10:06,279 --> 02:10:08,720
Speaker 1: It's great and it's available for talks.

2407
02:10:09,840 --> 02:10:10,159
Speaker 4: Yeah.

2408
02:10:10,239 --> 02:10:14,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, he starts his own you know what.

2409
02:10:14,560 --> 02:10:16,079
Speaker 4: A few people have said that to me, like are

2410
02:10:16,119 --> 02:10:17,720
you going to start your own channel? And I'm like,

2411
02:10:18,079 --> 02:10:20,000
I don't feel like I should just yet, but I

2412
02:10:20,039 --> 02:10:23,199
don't know what's going to happen in the future. I

2413
02:10:23,239 --> 02:10:25,199
mean yeah, I mean I'm getting requests of people that

2414
02:10:25,239 --> 02:10:27,399
I've never met. You know, I'm doing one on Saturday

2415
02:10:27,479 --> 02:10:31,720
with some people just because they want a male on there,

2416
02:10:31,720 --> 02:10:33,760
because apparently they say, we really struggle to get males

2417
02:10:33,800 --> 02:10:36,079
to talk about this kind of spiritual stuff. I'm like,

2418
02:10:36,199 --> 02:10:38,199
I'll do it, you know, I don't mind, So I'll

2419
02:10:38,239 --> 02:10:39,479
talk about anything with anyone.

2420
02:10:39,640 --> 02:10:43,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, i know, I'm up for anything, Like nothing

2421
02:10:43,399 --> 02:10:45,640
is off the table. And I think you you know,

2422
02:10:45,760 --> 02:10:48,039
from a Christians, Christians who kind of like get scared

2423
02:10:48,079 --> 02:10:50,960
of that's hold on, like you need u. You need

2424
02:10:51,000 --> 02:10:54,199
Christians to talk about this like from their perspective, because

2425
02:10:54,199 --> 02:10:56,159
if not, you're going to have Satanist talking about it,

2426
02:10:56,159 --> 02:10:58,760
You're going to have New Ages talking about it. Let's

2427
02:10:58,800 --> 02:11:02,000
listen to somebody who if from a Christian perspective, given

2428
02:11:02,079 --> 02:11:06,000
their honest, unbiased opinion, like here's the information, this is

2429
02:11:06,000 --> 02:11:09,279
what I encountered. There are both sides of the table,

2430
02:11:09,279 --> 02:11:11,560
there are both sides of the coin, and I acknowledge both.

2431
02:11:11,600 --> 02:11:14,359
Here's my experience. And so we got a champion that

2432
02:11:14,560 --> 02:11:16,479
as a as a Christian not to kick these people

2433
02:11:16,479 --> 02:11:19,720
out or stay away there listen because people are asking

2434
02:11:19,840 --> 02:11:21,880
questions whether you want them to or not. You know.

2435
02:11:22,560 --> 02:11:25,359
Speaker 4: Yeah, So now my stay is just such a good word.

2436
02:11:25,600 --> 02:11:25,800
Speaker 1: Yeah.

2437
02:11:25,920 --> 02:11:29,479
Speaker 4: I love that, you know, the Christ in me, the

2438
02:11:29,520 --> 02:11:30,720
Christ in you.

2439
02:11:30,720 --> 02:11:32,640
Speaker 1: You know, I'll leave you with this, Craig. I know

2440
02:11:32,640 --> 02:11:36,079
you got to go just with being tactful about what

2441
02:11:36,119 --> 02:11:38,520
we can say, and I know that's changing every day.

2442
02:11:39,600 --> 02:11:42,520
The Lord kind of gave me a revelation in the

2443
02:11:42,560 --> 02:11:46,439
Book of Revelations right where the Book of Revelation is

2444
02:11:46,960 --> 02:11:51,720
full of signed symbols, numbers, analogies. Like John on the

2445
02:11:51,720 --> 02:11:56,600
Island the Patmos like exiled. He couldn't write to you

2446
02:11:56,680 --> 02:12:00,479
plainly about what was going on because they were read it.

2447
02:12:00,680 --> 02:12:03,960
They would tear up his papers. It would never get out.

2448
02:12:04,359 --> 02:12:09,439
So he uses sience, symbols and analogies to explain what's

2449
02:12:09,479 --> 02:12:12,359
going on because his work would have been censored. He

2450
02:12:12,359 --> 02:12:14,520
couldn't have talked to you about the great Beasts and

2451
02:12:14,920 --> 02:12:19,399
Babylonians and you know this, this coming attack on on

2452
02:12:20,079 --> 02:12:22,720
the Jewish people and the followers of Christ like, he

2453
02:12:22,760 --> 02:12:25,640
couldn't have talked about that, you know, So he used

2454
02:12:25,640 --> 02:12:29,039
signs and symbols in order to get this really deep

2455
02:12:29,079 --> 02:12:31,600
information out. So I thought it was really cool, like

2456
02:12:31,800 --> 02:12:34,800
linking the way that John in the Book of Revelation

2457
02:12:35,000 --> 02:12:37,479
use signs and symbols and analogy to get these really

2458
02:12:37,520 --> 02:12:41,279
deep concepts out, especially where we are today with censorship.

2459
02:12:41,319 --> 02:12:43,079
You know what I'm saying to say, Okay, let me

2460
02:12:43,560 --> 02:12:45,319
You know what I'm talking about When I say that,

2461
02:12:45,439 --> 02:12:47,760
You know, I don't have to say that word kind

2462
02:12:47,840 --> 02:12:50,319
of thing. And there's there is an art to it,

2463
02:12:50,359 --> 02:12:52,800
you know what I'm saying. There is for those who I'm.

2464
02:12:52,760 --> 02:12:55,960
Speaker 4: Letting whole new codes at the moment. Definitely, Yeah, like

2465
02:12:55,960 --> 02:12:57,279
a wholy different language.

2466
02:12:57,640 --> 02:13:00,760
Speaker 1: Yeah for sure. Brother, Thanks for coming on man, and

2467
02:13:00,800 --> 02:13:03,239
I'm sure we'll do it again. We'll be on more

2468
02:13:03,239 --> 02:13:05,960
talks together. Brother, many blessings to you and.

2469
02:13:06,439 --> 02:13:08,359
Speaker 4: Thank you very much, Derek, look to you and your family.

2470
02:13:08,720 --> 02:13:11,720
Speaker 1: Thank you, Sir shal on peace bro do it again.

2471
02:13:12,760 --> 02:13:17,199
Ladies and gentlemen, give it up for Craig Martin Walker.

2472
02:13:17,520 --> 02:13:20,560
Look him up on Facebook and and all that good

2473
02:13:20,560 --> 02:13:22,840
stuff where he's at and connect with him, connect with

2474
02:13:22,960 --> 02:13:26,399
like minded individuals who were doing the dog one thing.

2475
02:13:26,720 --> 02:13:31,479
And so you know, it is what it is. This

2476
02:13:31,640 --> 02:13:35,399
is growing and more people are are being open and

2477
02:13:35,479 --> 02:13:38,600
honest about their truth and we got to respect it.

2478
02:13:40,119 --> 02:13:42,359
We got to respect it, you know, even if if

2479
02:13:42,359 --> 02:13:46,520
we believe in it, or it's doesn't line up, or

2480
02:13:46,520 --> 02:13:51,119
it's another perspective. We need another perspective again. With you

2481
02:13:51,199 --> 02:13:53,800
know that rent I did before the analogy and allegory

2482
02:13:53,840 --> 02:13:56,319
and all that kind of stuff. It was like the

2483
02:13:56,399 --> 02:14:02,359
fact that other people are breaking down the scriptures for you.

2484
02:14:02,680 --> 02:14:06,079
That helps you for your awakening because you're getting a

2485
02:14:06,119 --> 02:14:08,800
different stance, you're getting a different, take one that you've

2486
02:14:08,840 --> 02:14:12,640
not heard of before, and what that does when you

2487
02:14:12,680 --> 02:14:14,359
hear it, first of all a lot of people, that

2488
02:14:14,479 --> 02:14:18,800
shocks you unless you're ready, and then you automatically resonate.

2489
02:14:19,359 --> 02:14:23,439
So therefore you have different teachers or different versions or

2490
02:14:23,439 --> 02:14:26,399
translations of the Bible that are unlocking things in you

2491
02:14:26,479 --> 02:14:31,319
because you're simply getting another perspective to this beautiful, ancient truth.

2492
02:14:32,159 --> 02:14:36,399
So to listen to people who might not even be

2493
02:14:36,520 --> 02:14:39,439
Christian right about the Bible, at least listen to them,

2494
02:14:39,920 --> 02:14:42,079
especially if they have anything good to say. Now, I

2495
02:14:42,119 --> 02:14:44,560
do say, be weary of those people who are only

2496
02:14:44,640 --> 02:14:48,439
bashing and they're here to disprove and those kind of things.

2497
02:14:48,840 --> 02:14:50,920
And with many of those people, you're gonna you may

2498
02:14:50,960 --> 02:14:52,359
have to put up with a little bit of that.

2499
02:14:53,039 --> 02:14:57,079
But what is built upon that foundation of Christ cannot

2500
02:14:57,119 --> 02:15:01,600
be shaken. It is eternal, and so you're gonna have

2501
02:15:01,600 --> 02:15:04,319
to put up with that and listen. Every belief system

2502
02:15:04,359 --> 02:15:08,560
should be shaken, every structure should be shaken to prove,

2503
02:15:08,640 --> 02:15:11,960
to see if you prove what you really believe, because

2504
02:15:12,000 --> 02:15:15,640
if it lasts, if it remains, listen, there is an

2505
02:15:15,680 --> 02:15:18,920
eternal truth in this and I cannot be shaken. I

2506
02:15:18,960 --> 02:15:21,840
can even question, and it's good and it's healthy to question,

2507
02:15:22,039 --> 02:15:23,880
and I can continue to do that. But it doesn't

2508
02:15:23,920 --> 02:15:27,920
mean questioning is bad. So that's the scary part because

2509
02:15:27,920 --> 02:15:31,199
we've been told that questioning, you know, proves that you're

2510
02:15:31,960 --> 02:15:34,720
you don't really believe in Jesus, do you, because you're

2511
02:15:34,800 --> 02:15:37,399
questioning if he really existed or you're questioning if he

2512
02:15:37,520 --> 02:15:42,800
was the Messiah. Listen. Jesus's response to any of that is, hey,

2513
02:15:42,800 --> 02:15:44,640
who do you say that I am? I know who?

2514
02:15:44,640 --> 02:15:47,399
Bill Donna Hughes says, I am, I know who? Jordan

2515
02:15:47,479 --> 02:15:50,640
Maxwell says, I am I know who? Carry Cassidy says,

2516
02:15:50,680 --> 02:15:53,600
I am I know. Joel Ostein says that I am.

2517
02:15:53,840 --> 02:15:56,039
Who do you say that I am? And that's when

2518
02:15:56,079 --> 02:15:59,640
it becomes more personal and nobody can take that away

2519
02:15:59,680 --> 02:16:01,880
from you. That is the pearl of great price that

2520
02:16:02,000 --> 02:16:05,119
is within you, your encounter. But you have to be

2521
02:16:05,159 --> 02:16:08,199
able to explore. You have to be able to roll

2522
02:16:08,319 --> 02:16:13,199
ideas and listen to conflicting beliefs. Listen. It's how you grow,

2523
02:16:14,119 --> 02:16:16,239
It's how we evolve, and we should be doing that.

2524
02:16:16,319 --> 02:16:19,159
You should ever be ever learning and ever increasing in

2525
02:16:19,199 --> 02:16:21,680
your knowledge of God and the bliss and how deep

2526
02:16:21,720 --> 02:16:26,359
and how wide that that goes. So Brenda says, every matrix,

2527
02:16:26,960 --> 02:16:30,800
matrix needs to be shaken. For sure. I've learned things

2528
02:16:30,880 --> 02:16:35,799
and been out on deep ledges, and he talks, you know,

2529
02:16:35,879 --> 02:16:38,760
talking about you know, going out there deep and literally

2530
02:16:39,760 --> 02:16:43,000
Christ was my life preserver, my life raft, and I

2531
02:16:43,159 --> 02:16:46,639
have to question it and some stuff scary, you know

2532
02:16:46,680 --> 02:16:48,559
what I'm saying, Like it is scary. It is like

2533
02:16:49,000 --> 02:16:52,799
I'm starting to doubt is this real? Is this? Did

2534
02:16:52,879 --> 02:16:56,159
Jesus exist? Am I believing a fairy tale? Do I

2535
02:16:56,280 --> 02:16:58,559
want this bad enough? And so it appears to me,

2536
02:16:58,639 --> 02:17:03,000
you know, and you got to be able to question that.

2537
02:17:03,120 --> 02:17:05,120
And it's scary because you kind of end up in

2538
02:17:05,120 --> 02:17:08,440
this place where you unlearn. And but that which is

2539
02:17:08,479 --> 02:17:13,000
eternal will will remain that which is true. It needs

2540
02:17:13,079 --> 02:17:16,719
not your defense. You know. We feel like we got

2541
02:17:16,760 --> 02:17:19,399
to defend what we believe and defend the Gospel and

2542
02:17:19,399 --> 02:17:22,760
honor God. And if we anybody talks down on our beliefs,

2543
02:17:22,760 --> 02:17:27,879
we have to vigilantly oppose them. And that's not the case.

2544
02:17:28,280 --> 02:17:32,040
But but we roll these ideas, we listen to these things,

2545
02:17:32,079 --> 02:17:35,479
and there's usually something better that comes from it when

2546
02:17:35,479 --> 02:17:38,239
something's tried, and when something's tested by fire and it

2547
02:17:38,280 --> 02:17:41,200
remains again, it is that of pure gold. It is

2548
02:17:41,239 --> 02:17:44,040
that which is eternal, is that which is beautiful. It's healthy.

2549
02:17:44,239 --> 02:17:50,319
It's scary, but it's healthy. So I've been there every day,

2550
02:17:50,520 --> 02:17:52,959
you know what I'm saying. We and there's levels to it,

2551
02:17:53,479 --> 02:17:56,280
you know. But but hanging on to this eternal present

2552
02:17:56,319 --> 02:18:01,280
truth and knowing your relationship to it, why does it

2553
02:18:01,319 --> 02:18:04,000
serve you? Is it a conflicting belief? Does it need

2554
02:18:04,040 --> 02:18:07,159
to go? Listen? No, it's serving me. It's helping me.

2555
02:18:07,879 --> 02:18:11,920
And I honor that. I honor that fact. So that's huge.

2556
02:18:14,120 --> 02:18:18,040
You can't prove it, Nope, can't. I wasn't there. Nobody

2557
02:18:18,120 --> 02:18:19,840
can prove it. We were never there. You know what

2558
02:18:19,879 --> 02:18:22,799
I'm saying. You know, and so, but but I cannot

2559
02:18:22,840 --> 02:18:27,440
approve what Jesus said. The fruit? What is the fruit

2560
02:18:27,559 --> 02:18:30,319
of said belief? What is the fruit of your prayer life?

2561
02:18:30,360 --> 02:18:32,959
What is the fruit of meditation? What is the fruit

2562
02:18:33,000 --> 02:18:37,079
of stargazing? You know? What is the fruit of reading material?

2563
02:18:37,159 --> 02:18:39,520
People say or is dangerous and stay away from. What

2564
02:18:39,639 --> 02:18:41,399
is the fruit in your life? What does it produce?

2565
02:18:41,920 --> 02:18:45,600
So you have to be able to judge that. With

2566
02:18:45,639 --> 02:18:48,319
that being said, there are many concepts that those many

2567
02:18:48,319 --> 02:18:53,040
of those names which I before said, that could be

2568
02:18:53,120 --> 02:18:55,559
dangerous stuff for a Christian because it's going to cause

2569
02:18:55,600 --> 02:18:58,079
you the question. But it's healthy. Doesn't mean that these

2570
02:18:58,079 --> 02:19:02,840
people are speaking truth about those things, but you have

2571
02:19:02,920 --> 02:19:10,079
to when you're a truth seeker, when you are studying

2572
02:19:11,440 --> 02:19:15,680
John MacAuthor, don't know everything on the scriptures, Like each

2573
02:19:15,760 --> 02:19:22,680
subject takes a lifetime of study. Each subject in the Bible,

2574
02:19:22,760 --> 02:19:27,159
each chapter, each verse, listen, each word takes a lifetime

2575
02:19:27,200 --> 02:19:29,879
of study. And that's why we all come together because

2576
02:19:29,879 --> 02:19:32,520
there's different words that reach out to us. There's different

2577
02:19:32,559 --> 02:19:36,079
things that we bring to the table, different beautiful, profound

2578
02:19:36,559 --> 02:19:39,479
personal revelations that we can share that can help people.

2579
02:19:39,879 --> 02:19:42,559
So understand that for the Christian, for the believer, for

2580
02:19:42,600 --> 02:19:45,959
the non believer too. So I look at somebody like

2581
02:19:46,040 --> 02:19:49,639
Jordan Maxwell and who's a dear friend of mine, and

2582
02:19:49,680 --> 02:19:53,479
I look up to him and appreciate his work conflicting things.

2583
02:19:53,959 --> 02:19:58,159
I don't believe everything he believes. You know, whatever it is,

2584
02:19:58,159 --> 02:20:03,000
what it is when it comes to certain things, when

2585
02:20:03,040 --> 02:20:08,280
it comes to the Bible, the mazaroth Astro theology, which

2586
02:20:08,319 --> 02:20:11,879
is astrology in the Bible. It's scary for a lot

2587
02:20:11,920 --> 02:20:15,040
of Christians because many people in astro theology will tell

2588
02:20:15,079 --> 02:20:19,520
you that the Bible is simply astrology, none of it exists,

2589
02:20:19,559 --> 02:20:22,799
that it is all just the story of astrology. That's

2590
02:20:22,920 --> 02:20:25,840
very scary, right, Oh, it didn't exist, it's not real.

2591
02:20:25,879 --> 02:20:28,159
But I took I made something literal that was always

2592
02:20:28,200 --> 02:20:32,319
just above me as an allegory. But it is embracing

2593
02:20:32,360 --> 02:20:35,079
the allegory. It is embracing each of the archetypes. And

2594
02:20:35,079 --> 02:20:39,399
to be able to see it, Jordan Maxwell shows you

2595
02:20:39,479 --> 02:20:42,520
that that many of these these things are ancient, and

2596
02:20:42,520 --> 02:20:46,159
we're in the Bible. You know, the Mazarath. What is

2597
02:20:46,200 --> 02:20:50,239
the Mazaroth. It's the zodiac. It is the it is

2598
02:20:50,280 --> 02:20:53,760
the wheel of Ezekiel, the wheel within the wheel. It

2599
02:20:53,840 --> 02:20:57,600
is the sun that is passing through the different houses

2600
02:20:57,639 --> 02:21:00,520
of the zodiac. You know, it is a wheel within

2601
02:21:00,559 --> 02:21:03,879
this other wheel that tests it. You know, the pulling

2602
02:21:03,920 --> 02:21:06,239
of the tide, the changing of the seasons, all of

2603
02:21:06,280 --> 02:21:08,920
that stuff. And we've been told that was demonic and

2604
02:21:08,959 --> 02:21:11,239
it's not in the Bible, and we should stay far away,

2605
02:21:11,239 --> 02:21:13,040
but hold on, like, wow, the Bible is full of

2606
02:21:13,079 --> 02:21:16,239
this and it's talking about O'rian, it is talking about

2607
02:21:17,120 --> 02:21:21,719
the Pleiades, it's talking about the Bear and the Seven

2608
02:21:21,879 --> 02:21:24,959
Sisters and all of these. It's full of the allegory.

2609
02:21:25,440 --> 02:21:28,399
And until you know that, until you won't notice until

2610
02:21:28,440 --> 02:21:30,920
you research it, especially from a Christian perspective, because you've

2611
02:21:30,920 --> 02:21:33,879
been told it's demonic, stay away the Bible, isn't it's

2612
02:21:33,920 --> 02:21:38,959
against astrology. Know the early saints, sinceres prophets were stargazers.

2613
02:21:39,120 --> 02:21:43,879
That's what the word means. So it's something little that

2614
02:21:44,000 --> 02:21:47,239
you hear from somebody who studied under a different school

2615
02:21:47,239 --> 02:21:51,719
of thought, a different belief system, that unlocks something in

2616
02:21:51,760 --> 02:21:57,319
you for your research, for your study, and you're able

2617
02:21:57,360 --> 02:21:59,600
to see that you're able to see the astrology in

2618
02:21:59,600 --> 02:22:02,000
the Bible, and that the Bible is full of it. Listen,

2619
02:22:02,000 --> 02:22:07,079
there's a reason. While the stargazers were the ones who

2620
02:22:07,120 --> 02:22:11,520
showed up to welcome the Messiah to the world, they

2621
02:22:11,600 --> 02:22:16,120
followed his star, the three wise men. You look up

2622
02:22:16,120 --> 02:22:21,840
the word wiseman. The original word is magi magicians, white magicians, magi,

2623
02:22:21,920 --> 02:22:27,040
the stargazers. It wasn't the prophets, it wasn't. It wasn't

2624
02:22:27,079 --> 02:22:31,680
the pastors, the preachers, the teachers, it was the magi,

2625
02:22:31,799 --> 02:22:36,159
the magicians, those who were trained in magic were the

2626
02:22:36,159 --> 02:22:38,399
ones who showed up to welcome the birth of the

2627
02:22:38,440 --> 02:22:42,840
Messiah and brought gifts, and that should tell you something.

2628
02:22:42,920 --> 02:22:44,840
And then we look into the Book of Revelation and

2629
02:22:44,879 --> 02:22:47,120
a lot of the symbology and things like that, and

2630
02:22:47,159 --> 02:22:49,799
we take it literal. You know. Again, we look at

2631
02:22:49,799 --> 02:22:53,040
Ezekiel's wheel, and we've been told that that's a ufo

2632
02:22:53,200 --> 02:22:56,719
and it's this futuristic device that's spinning, or or that

2633
02:22:56,760 --> 02:22:59,600
it's this mad angel, like it's a weird angel with

2634
02:22:59,639 --> 02:23:02,040
all these eyeballs on it, because that's how it's described.

2635
02:23:02,479 --> 02:23:06,079
But to really break it down and see what's going on,

2636
02:23:06,159 --> 02:23:10,680
it is the zodiac. It's the Mazarath. That's the word

2637
02:23:10,680 --> 02:23:12,440
that's used in the Bible. For those of you who

2638
02:23:12,440 --> 02:23:15,840
don't know if that concepts new, mazarath is used. When

2639
02:23:15,879 --> 02:23:17,760
you look up the meaning of the mazaroth. It is

2640
02:23:17,799 --> 02:23:22,200
the zodiac, It is the twelve houses, it is the

2641
02:23:22,760 --> 02:23:27,319
animals in the sky that's telling the story of the Messiah.

2642
02:23:27,799 --> 02:23:30,239
Be of good cheer because it doesn't disprove it, it

2643
02:23:30,280 --> 02:23:33,360
actually proves the gospel. It proves the Bible, it is

2644
02:23:33,360 --> 02:23:36,799
his story, his story in the stars, and so that

2645
02:23:38,399 --> 02:23:41,360
not the question, not the fear, but to embrace. Listen,

2646
02:23:42,360 --> 02:23:46,879
there's much more to this story because it was it

2647
02:23:47,079 --> 02:23:50,200
was behold the lamb of God, which was slain before

2648
02:23:50,239 --> 02:23:54,040
the foundations of the world. Where was he slain in

2649
02:23:54,079 --> 02:23:57,440
the cosmos? In the stars? It was his story before

2650
02:23:57,479 --> 02:24:01,040
the foundations of the world. It was there. And everything

2651
02:24:01,719 --> 02:24:06,280
testifies of God, everything testifies of its goodness. So why

2652
02:24:06,360 --> 02:24:10,200
wouldn't the stars, the Bible says, surely the heavens declare

2653
02:24:10,280 --> 02:24:14,360
the glory of God. The skies proclaim the work of

2654
02:24:14,360 --> 02:24:16,920
his hand. Come on, man, this is a This is

2655
02:24:16,959 --> 02:24:19,760
a song and dancing too, something new for a lot

2656
02:24:19,799 --> 02:24:24,920
of people. And then again going to Revelation, we hear

2657
02:24:24,959 --> 02:24:29,399
about the four living creatures, and they're these big, great

2658
02:24:29,520 --> 02:24:33,000
beast with wings and they're they're because they're flying, they're hovering,

2659
02:24:33,040 --> 02:24:37,440
and they are around the throne of God, singing, Holy, Holy,

2660
02:24:37,479 --> 02:24:41,559
Holy is the Lord God Almighty, continuously singing their praises.

2661
02:24:41,639 --> 02:24:45,319
Right here we hear about these creatures, these beasts, these

2662
02:24:45,399 --> 02:24:47,920
kind of angelic beings, and they're very scary and we

2663
02:24:47,920 --> 02:24:50,040
should honor them and things when we take it literal.

2664
02:24:50,440 --> 02:24:54,200
But if we look look at what these these four

2665
02:24:54,239 --> 02:24:57,440
living creatures are, they're living and they're moving, and they're

2666
02:24:57,520 --> 02:25:01,920
around the throne of God. Listen, the four living creatures

2667
02:25:01,959 --> 02:25:05,479
are the four fixed signs of the Zodiac. When you

2668
02:25:05,520 --> 02:25:08,200
go to the Book of Revelation, you read about these creatures,

2669
02:25:08,200 --> 02:25:10,360
and you read about what they look like and their

2670
02:25:10,440 --> 02:25:12,559
jobs and what they do. And then you pull up

2671
02:25:12,559 --> 02:25:17,879
a picture of the zodiac and the four cardinal signs

2672
02:25:17,920 --> 02:25:22,639
of the cross, the solar cross, of the four seasons.

2673
02:25:22,719 --> 02:25:25,920
Each one looks exactly like one of the creatures. The

2674
02:25:25,959 --> 02:25:27,479
head of a man, the head of an ox, the

2675
02:25:27,520 --> 02:25:31,200
head of an eagle, and I believe it's the head

2676
02:25:31,200 --> 02:25:34,799
of a lion. So you read in Revelations of these

2677
02:25:34,840 --> 02:25:37,959
creatures that are around the throne of God. The sun right,

2678
02:25:38,399 --> 02:25:42,760
and the sun is passing through this And I don't

2679
02:25:42,799 --> 02:25:45,600
know why I went on this deep brand about that,

2680
02:25:46,079 --> 02:25:48,840
about the zodiac, and but it's beautiful to me. It

2681
02:25:49,079 --> 02:25:51,639
unlocks something in you when you've never heard this stuff

2682
02:25:51,920 --> 02:25:53,879
and you're not hearing it from from Christians, you're not

2683
02:25:53,920 --> 02:25:58,600
here in church. But it takes somebody like Jordan Maxwell

2684
02:25:59,079 --> 02:26:01,680
to unlock that fur you to show you that because

2685
02:26:01,680 --> 02:26:05,000
he's been studying it his whole life. From a different perspective,

2686
02:26:05,360 --> 02:26:14,959
from an outside outsider's perspective, from a teaching perspective, Dinah

2687
02:26:14,959 --> 02:26:17,879
Spy says Chris Carter teaches on the Masa Wrath on

2688
02:26:18,000 --> 02:26:21,639
Kingdom Talks and Kingdom Talks as well, exactly. But you

2689
02:26:21,680 --> 02:26:24,399
have to understand where they got it from. You have

2690
02:26:24,479 --> 02:26:27,520
to understand, and we need to go. We need to

2691
02:26:27,520 --> 02:26:30,000
pay homage. We need to say thank you to these people.

2692
02:26:30,479 --> 02:26:33,040
We need to say thank you to Jordan Maxwell. We

2693
02:26:33,079 --> 02:26:34,840
don't just need to take their work and just keep

2694
02:26:34,879 --> 02:26:39,000
sharing it and expounding, which we're gonna do. There's no

2695
02:26:39,040 --> 02:26:44,719
way we can trace it back. But Jordan Maxwell has

2696
02:26:44,760 --> 02:26:47,719
been talking about this for twenty you know, over twenty

2697
02:26:47,760 --> 02:26:51,040
thirty years, maybe more. So we have to give our roses.

2698
02:26:51,440 --> 02:26:53,319
We have to let these people know that we're thankful

2699
02:26:53,319 --> 02:26:55,680
for what they brought and have brung to the table,

2700
02:26:56,159 --> 02:26:58,319
versus stealing their work and going with it. And I

2701
02:26:58,399 --> 02:27:01,680
honor Chris Carter. I've never heard Chris to mention Jordan Maxwell,

2702
02:27:01,719 --> 02:27:06,639
but absolutely that work. He may not know it, but

2703
02:27:06,760 --> 02:27:11,600
it's inspired by Jordan Maxwell. So everybody in the chat

2704
02:27:11,639 --> 02:27:14,600
here saying thank you Jeorde Maxwell. Amen. He wrote the

2705
02:27:14,639 --> 02:27:16,840
forward in my book. I love Jordan Maxwell. I honor

2706
02:27:16,920 --> 02:27:18,680
him for what he brought to the table and what

2707
02:27:18,760 --> 02:27:21,200
he continues to bring to the table. In that regard.

2708
02:27:21,680 --> 02:27:24,200
Chris Carter's doing our webinar tonight. We got a webinar

2709
02:27:24,479 --> 02:27:28,680
with Chris Carter. Again, I'm really big into that, but

2710
02:27:28,879 --> 02:27:31,959
I know that the problem with that for many Christians

2711
02:27:32,000 --> 02:27:35,520
is that when you name drop, when you name these people,

2712
02:27:35,600 --> 02:27:39,760
you scare people. You scare them. Listen, Tonight we're doing

2713
02:27:39,760 --> 02:27:50,799
a webinar on the elementals and the angels with Chris Carter. Now,

2714
02:27:50,840 --> 02:27:53,920
many people are studying the elementals, many people are studying

2715
02:27:54,000 --> 02:27:56,920
the angels. I thought I was an expert, you know.

2716
02:27:57,239 --> 02:28:02,319
I wrote about my experiences with elemental beings and fairies

2717
02:28:02,360 --> 02:28:05,280
and and uh and and and shades and things like that,

2718
02:28:06,040 --> 02:28:08,159
and you kind of feel like an expert just because

2719
02:28:08,159 --> 02:28:11,159
you've had an experience. Listen, we all do. Everybody's an expert,

2720
02:28:11,159 --> 02:28:13,559
at least they think they are. But it's not until

2721
02:28:13,559 --> 02:28:15,520
you learn more and you're like, wow, there's so much

2722
02:28:15,520 --> 02:28:17,959
I didn't know. And then we get into the work

2723
02:28:18,040 --> 02:28:24,200
of Madam Blovotsky, Helena Patna Blovotsky. And then I'm doing

2724
02:28:24,200 --> 02:28:27,200
my research and writing my book and just I'm sorry

2725
02:28:27,200 --> 02:28:30,200
reading about Blovotsky and see what she said about the elementals,

2726
02:28:30,680 --> 02:28:34,520
and listen, where is this stuff? This stuff? Blovotsky wrote it.

2727
02:28:34,719 --> 02:28:37,159
Blovotsky made this stuff famous. She got it from all

2728
02:28:37,159 --> 02:28:39,719
the world religions and brought it together and taught it.

2729
02:28:40,079 --> 02:28:43,719
And and when you mentioned her name, you automatically scare people,

2730
02:28:44,680 --> 02:28:48,000
automatically scare people. She was a charlatan, she was a fraud.

2731
02:28:48,559 --> 02:28:50,680
I have friends that I that I care deeply about

2732
02:28:50,760 --> 02:28:53,120
who saved Jordan Maxwell is a fraud, and they want

2733
02:28:53,120 --> 02:28:55,479
to expose him. And hold on, we got to honor

2734
02:28:55,479 --> 02:28:58,120
the stuff these people brought to the table. We gotta

2735
02:28:58,159 --> 02:29:00,760
honor it. We have to. We need to pay homage

2736
02:29:00,799 --> 02:29:03,920
for the work, the dedication, because it took a lifetime

2737
02:29:05,120 --> 02:29:08,840
of these people studying this stuff that they bring to us.

2738
02:29:08,959 --> 02:29:12,239
When it comes to elemental beings and fairies and nymphs,

2739
02:29:12,239 --> 02:29:15,399
and there's so many the ones that aren't even popular,

2740
02:29:15,440 --> 02:29:16,920
we don't even know about. There's a list of them

2741
02:29:16,920 --> 02:29:19,959
that I put in my book that I got from Blovotsky,

2742
02:29:20,719 --> 02:29:23,159
somebody put a neck out there to bring this stuff

2743
02:29:23,200 --> 02:29:26,719
to the West, to remind us of the secret life

2744
02:29:26,760 --> 02:29:30,440
of these beings and how they interact. So I do

2745
02:29:30,559 --> 02:29:33,520
understand that most of us don't know where it came from.

2746
02:29:33,559 --> 02:29:35,559
You know, we hear Chris Carter say it. Oh, we

2747
02:29:35,639 --> 02:29:38,319
hear truth Seekerts say it. And unless we tell you,

2748
02:29:38,680 --> 02:29:40,879
nobody knows. But when it comes to a lot of

2749
02:29:40,920 --> 02:29:44,440
this stuff from Christian Christian perspective, it is scary because

2750
02:29:45,040 --> 02:29:49,600
the moment I say, Jordan Maxwell, you know, a lot

2751
02:29:49,639 --> 02:29:53,360
of Christians are turning off even bigger the moment we

2752
02:29:53,399 --> 02:29:57,000
say Helena Blovotsky, you're turning it off, not even to

2753
02:29:57,120 --> 02:30:01,760
acknowledge and honor the God things that they brought. And

2754
02:30:01,799 --> 02:30:04,680
so that needs to change. That needs to change for sure.

2755
02:30:04,680 --> 02:30:06,799
And I've I've made sure to do that, and I

2756
02:30:06,840 --> 02:30:10,000
try to you know, it makes for a longer conversation,

2757
02:30:10,079 --> 02:30:13,159
It makes for a longer point, but I try to reference, hey,

2758
02:30:13,159 --> 02:30:16,200
with this came from this guy's work. Amazing, make sure

2759
02:30:16,239 --> 02:30:17,840
you look it in. But he says this, and I

2760
02:30:17,879 --> 02:30:20,719
believe this, so I'm gonna add to it. So there's

2761
02:30:20,799 --> 02:30:25,239
many and it would be impossible to continuously do that

2762
02:30:25,440 --> 02:30:27,719
and all this, but but for sure we want to

2763
02:30:27,719 --> 02:30:29,680
make sure we get we give credit and stuff. So

2764
02:30:30,760 --> 02:30:34,239
and on top of that, the caveat is not you know,

2765
02:30:34,399 --> 02:30:38,360
sometimes people don't know. Maybe maybe you know how many

2766
02:30:38,399 --> 02:30:43,159
times removed it is from Jordan Maxwell to uh, Chris

2767
02:30:43,200 --> 02:30:48,159
Carter to myself to Kingdom Talks, you know again like

2768
02:30:48,280 --> 02:30:51,479
Kingdom Talks. Pretty sure got it from Chris Carter. You

2769
02:30:51,479 --> 02:30:53,040
know what I'm saying, this study in the in the

2770
02:30:53,079 --> 02:30:56,319
Beauty of the Mazaroth and the stars and and and

2771
02:30:56,040 --> 02:30:57,920
the beings and all of that kind of stuff. And

2772
02:30:58,280 --> 02:31:00,959
Kingdom Talks may not know anything about Jordan Maxwell and

2773
02:31:00,959 --> 02:31:03,239
then listen. That's just how the information works. It is

2774
02:31:03,280 --> 02:31:06,360
part of it. But if you do know, if you

2775
02:31:06,399 --> 02:31:09,879
do know, man, give credit, give credit. And maybe I'll

2776
02:31:09,879 --> 02:31:12,479
ask Chris Carter tonight. Chris Carter knows a lot more

2777
02:31:12,520 --> 02:31:15,360
than he says. I'll say that I know that. Hopefully

2778
02:31:15,399 --> 02:31:21,479
tonight in the smaller, smaller webinars that we're doing with him,

2779
02:31:21,719 --> 02:31:27,000
he'll uh, he'll share some of that. But yeah, man,

2780
02:31:27,159 --> 02:31:32,040
that's how we progress, you know what I'm saying, like progress,

2781
02:31:32,079 --> 02:31:35,600
you know deeper. Yeah, So the information on on the

2782
02:31:36,319 --> 02:31:39,440
Chris Carter webinar tonight. It is hosted by the Mystic

2783
02:31:39,479 --> 02:31:43,000
Circle on that platform right now, so go to Themistic

2784
02:31:43,040 --> 02:31:46,000
Circle dot net. It is at seven pm Central tonight.

2785
02:31:46,959 --> 02:31:50,399
It's gonna be good. Chris Carter is amazing. He has

2786
02:31:50,440 --> 02:31:53,719
his own take. You know, I'm not knocking Chris Carter's

2787
02:31:53,719 --> 02:31:57,239
experience because it is coupled with the work of Jordan Maxwell.

2788
02:31:57,440 --> 02:32:00,799
It is coupled with the knowledge of h plus people

2789
02:32:00,799 --> 02:32:04,520
of Otsky and Manly p. Hall, whose names will forever

2790
02:32:04,600 --> 02:32:06,719
be on my lips. So I want to make sure

2791
02:32:06,760 --> 02:32:09,000
I say that in my work is giving homage. My

2792
02:32:09,280 --> 02:32:12,639
early albums were dedicated to these people's work. It is

2793
02:32:12,719 --> 02:32:15,559
to try to find a way to use their audio

2794
02:32:15,680 --> 02:32:19,079
samples in my music, you know, so that people would say, hey,

2795
02:32:19,120 --> 02:32:21,319
who is that, and you would ask deeper and you

2796
02:32:21,319 --> 02:32:24,159
would get into their original work and all of this.

2797
02:32:24,319 --> 02:32:27,959
So I will say that, but give your roses to

2798
02:32:28,000 --> 02:32:32,920
people while they're here. Give your roses to people while

2799
02:32:32,920 --> 02:32:35,239
they're here. And so people are saying link in the

2800
02:32:35,319 --> 02:32:41,799
chat please, I'm gonna type it. So it's just www

2801
02:32:41,920 --> 02:32:47,200
dot v Mystic Circle dot net. It is. It is tonight,

2802
02:32:47,280 --> 02:32:49,719
And if you're not able to catch it. Most of

2803
02:32:49,719 --> 02:32:52,000
you who are listening to this on the podcasting apps,

2804
02:32:52,000 --> 02:32:56,120
this will be after the fact, but you guys can

2805
02:32:56,159 --> 02:32:57,920
listen to the replay. So all the replays are there.

2806
02:32:58,000 --> 02:33:02,120
There are about there are seven webinars that are posted

2807
02:33:02,239 --> 02:33:05,360
right now and listen. All of them were something good.

2808
02:33:06,000 --> 02:33:09,000
All of them were something like really really deep that

2809
02:33:09,079 --> 02:33:10,799
I learned a lot and I got to engage and

2810
02:33:10,840 --> 02:33:13,239
I got to learn about angels, and I got to

2811
02:33:13,319 --> 02:33:16,719
learn about numbers, and I got to learn about channeling

2812
02:33:16,840 --> 02:33:19,680
and receiving information and that kind of thing. And so

2813
02:33:19,920 --> 02:33:24,280
I definitely honor those people and their work. That's how

2814
02:33:24,280 --> 02:33:29,680
we progress, that's how we move forward. And it's pretty

2815
02:33:29,760 --> 02:33:31,760
much it, you know, just those points that I want

2816
02:33:31,760 --> 02:33:36,479
to get out and take it and share it, take

2817
02:33:36,479 --> 02:33:38,479
it and learned from it, taking and run with it.

2818
02:33:39,200 --> 02:33:43,959
You know. Thank you guys for watching, Thank you guys

2819
02:33:43,959 --> 02:33:49,399
for listening. Thank you guys for supporting. Every share, every retweet,

2820
02:33:49,719 --> 02:33:57,360
every message, every tag, every donation, every Patreon, every webinar

2821
02:33:57,399 --> 02:33:59,799
that somebody joins, like it really means the world to

2822
02:33:59,840 --> 02:34:04,520
me that people are engaging and resonating with a lot

2823
02:34:04,559 --> 02:34:07,079
of this work, which is weird, which is far out

2824
02:34:07,120 --> 02:34:10,360
weich just find the others. But there's a reason why

2825
02:34:10,559 --> 02:34:13,079
why people resonate and engage with it. And I just

2826
02:34:13,079 --> 02:34:17,719
want to say that every all of it is amazing.

2827
02:34:18,840 --> 02:34:21,360
I'm grateful for everything that you can do. We understand

2828
02:34:21,360 --> 02:34:25,000
that not everybody can support financially, not everybody can can

2829
02:34:25,040 --> 02:34:27,399
attend and be a patrin and all that kind of stuff.

2830
02:34:27,440 --> 02:34:29,200
There's different levels of that, for sure. We try to

2831
02:34:29,520 --> 02:34:32,200
make it work like any any level of giving can

2832
02:34:32,559 --> 02:34:35,520
tie into it. But even those who aren't able to

2833
02:34:35,520 --> 02:34:37,040
do that, I just want to say thank you, and

2834
02:34:38,600 --> 02:34:42,399
you know we are I want to be just you know.

2835
02:34:44,000 --> 02:34:47,680
The message behind this stuff, you know it is. It

2836
02:34:47,760 --> 02:34:53,520
is presence, It is mindfulness, it is awe, it is

2837
02:34:53,680 --> 02:34:59,959
wonder it is it's not escapism, but it's about contemplation

2838
02:35:00,440 --> 02:35:03,440
on God and the things of God and how beautiful

2839
02:35:03,479 --> 02:35:07,239
this world is, how beautiful this experience is, how beautiful

2840
02:35:07,280 --> 02:35:09,799
you are, how fearfully and wonderfully made you are, and

2841
02:35:09,840 --> 02:35:12,399
how connected you are to the sun, and you're connected

2842
02:35:12,399 --> 02:35:15,120
to the stars and connected to each other and connected

2843
02:35:15,159 --> 02:35:20,840
to the seasons and and and everything. It's so good,

2844
02:35:21,120 --> 02:35:24,680
you know, And you bring all of that into your meditation,

2845
02:35:24,799 --> 02:35:30,520
into your prayer into your mindfulness it It makes it a

2846
02:35:30,559 --> 02:35:35,239
lot more fun, it's more interactive. So I will I

2847
02:35:35,280 --> 02:35:39,040
will say that, but it is about being present. Bring

2848
02:35:39,040 --> 02:35:41,120
it into the now moment. Listen. That's where the magic is.

2849
02:35:41,159 --> 02:35:43,760
It's in the now. It's not in tomorrow. It's not

2850
02:35:43,840 --> 02:35:46,639
what we're doing tonight, it's not in yesterday. But it

2851
02:35:46,680 --> 02:35:52,639
is in this moment. Enjoy every moment, Embrace every moment,

2852
02:35:54,559 --> 02:36:01,040
Live every moment, and treat it special. Every moment is sacred,

2853
02:36:01,559 --> 02:36:05,399
Every moment is holy. Thank you for the donation. AfD says,

2854
02:36:05,440 --> 02:36:09,280
I love you, bro, thank you. Every every moment is special.

2855
02:36:09,280 --> 02:36:15,280
Every moment is sacred. With yourself, with God, with the elements,

2856
02:36:15,440 --> 02:36:20,040
with your families, with your friends, with your enemies, your

2857
02:36:20,239 --> 02:36:24,879
arguments and your disagreements, and listen, everything is sacred. I

2858
02:36:24,920 --> 02:36:27,200
know that all life is sacred. This is the truth

2859
02:36:27,200 --> 02:36:29,239
that I perceive. Learn to share what we have and

2860
02:36:29,280 --> 02:36:33,120
then there's no need for greed. You have to bring

2861
02:36:33,159 --> 02:36:38,399
it into the moment, Cherish everything. There's a beautiful song

2862
02:36:38,440 --> 02:36:42,239
by Tim McGraw and it's essentially about a person who's

2863
02:36:42,360 --> 02:36:46,879
diagnosed with cancer and that moment which seems like doom

2864
02:36:46,959 --> 02:36:50,520
and gloom seemed like a moment that they were born again.

2865
02:36:51,840 --> 02:36:55,159
They were living each moment from from that that point

2866
02:36:55,440 --> 02:36:58,920
like it was their last. Live like you're dying. I mean,

2867
02:36:58,959 --> 02:37:01,719
it talks about do the things that I've always wanted

2868
02:37:01,760 --> 02:37:04,520
to do, see in the things that I've always wanted

2869
02:37:04,559 --> 02:37:06,840
to see, Tell my lover of the things that I've

2870
02:37:06,840 --> 02:37:09,799
always wanted to tell them, Tell my children that I

2871
02:37:09,840 --> 02:37:12,440
embrace them and I honor them and teach them. And

2872
02:37:12,479 --> 02:37:14,360
what if I wasn't here, what do I want to

2873
02:37:14,520 --> 02:37:18,040
exp that person to remember me by an experience, Not

2874
02:37:18,120 --> 02:37:19,879
to get caught up in your feelings or emotion, but

2875
02:37:19,879 --> 02:37:23,159
to be present, because it's about presence. It is about

2876
02:37:23,159 --> 02:37:25,680
the now moment. And so that song is just a

2877
02:37:25,760 --> 02:37:29,280
reminder to live in the moment, live every day like

2878
02:37:29,360 --> 02:37:34,120
it's your last. Listen, you're not promised tomorrow. We live

2879
02:37:34,159 --> 02:37:38,920
in uncertain times. You're not promised tomorrow, but you are

2880
02:37:38,959 --> 02:37:43,479
promised this moment right here, this moment now, which means

2881
02:37:43,520 --> 02:37:51,440
more than anything. Be present in your conversations with your family,

2882
02:37:51,479 --> 02:37:55,399
pay attention, honor those among you, because you don't know

2883
02:37:55,440 --> 02:37:59,200
when you're not going to have it again. And that's

2884
02:37:59,239 --> 02:38:03,200
the biggest, the biggest thing is you know, you know,

2885
02:38:03,399 --> 02:38:06,559
sometimes you don't know what you had until it's gone.

2886
02:38:06,760 --> 02:38:08,440
You didn't know how bad you were going to miss

2887
02:38:08,479 --> 02:38:12,799
something or someone until they're gone, and I don't you know.

2888
02:38:13,319 --> 02:38:16,920
Obviously this isn't about bad news or the state of

2889
02:38:16,959 --> 02:38:20,520
the world, and in this case to you know, glorify

2890
02:38:20,639 --> 02:38:23,879
any of that. But we are living in uncertain times.

2891
02:38:24,360 --> 02:38:28,840
We've always been ten years ago. We weren't promised tomorrow.

2892
02:38:30,040 --> 02:38:33,559
Today we're not promised tomorrow. So nothing's changed on that front.

2893
02:38:34,360 --> 02:38:37,600
The awareness and the love and the spirituality that is

2894
02:38:37,600 --> 02:38:42,520
in a moment that was then and it's being called

2895
02:38:42,559 --> 02:38:45,319
to now. You may you know, these concepts are new

2896
02:38:45,399 --> 02:38:48,559
for many people at Cartli. Being present, mindful in the moment,

2897
02:38:50,280 --> 02:38:56,000
take it with you. You're not promised tomorrow. You don't

2898
02:38:56,479 --> 02:39:03,360
missed the simplicity of a breath until you don't have it,

2899
02:39:04,559 --> 02:39:08,639
whether you're not here anymore or you get a sickness

2900
02:39:08,639 --> 02:39:13,600
that takes away your breath. You know, things become real

2901
02:39:13,639 --> 02:39:16,040
when it when when when it when it strikes at home,

2902
02:39:16,239 --> 02:39:18,879
when it becomes closer to home, Then it becomes real

2903
02:39:22,840 --> 02:39:25,600
live in that moment. It's the beauty of a breath.

2904
02:39:26,680 --> 02:39:31,000
It is the power and the spirituality of the breath.

2905
02:39:31,040 --> 02:39:35,479
To focus on the breath, where did it come from?

2906
02:39:35,559 --> 02:39:38,159
Go into a meditation and follow it, breathe in, and

2907
02:39:38,159 --> 02:39:41,000
then follow it as a trail, as a portal, as

2908
02:39:41,000 --> 02:39:44,879
a doorway back to the giver of the breath. The

2909
02:39:44,920 --> 02:39:48,479
beauty of the breath and the heartbeat. You know, my

2910
02:39:48,559 --> 02:39:52,319
two vehicles into the spirit world, into the beauty, beauty

2911
02:39:52,399 --> 02:39:54,600
and the awe and wonder of God is the breath,

2912
02:39:54,600 --> 02:39:58,040
and it is the heartbeat. There's something physical, something tangible

2913
02:39:58,079 --> 02:40:00,000
that I have that I can I can I can

2914
02:40:00,079 --> 02:40:04,040
focus on and say thank you for and and they

2915
02:40:04,079 --> 02:40:08,680
become portals and vehicles into the spirit. It's other things too.

2916
02:40:08,719 --> 02:40:11,399
It's my family, it's it's my wife, it's my health,

2917
02:40:11,959 --> 02:40:14,879
it's my job, it's my music, it's my creativity, it's

2918
02:40:14,920 --> 02:40:17,399
my friends, it's my enemy. It you know, it becomes

2919
02:40:17,440 --> 02:40:21,920
more things as we become more more mindful. But there's

2920
02:40:21,959 --> 02:40:25,239
power in that. There's power in that. So I just

2921
02:40:25,280 --> 02:40:29,479
want to just remind you, you know, tell people that

2922
02:40:29,520 --> 02:40:37,280
you love them, people in your circle, you appreciate them.

2923
02:40:37,559 --> 02:40:39,959
We have people, you know, falling all around us. People

2924
02:40:40,000 --> 02:40:43,440
are passing away all around us right now. Every day,

2925
02:40:43,479 --> 02:40:48,000
I'm losing someone because of this situation that we're dealing

2926
02:40:48,040 --> 02:40:50,799
with in the world. I'm losing somebody from it every day,

2927
02:40:50,840 --> 02:40:54,959
somebody beautiful, somebody who I have memories of and memories with,

2928
02:40:55,799 --> 02:41:01,680
and and it's it's happened in fact, and I'm not

2929
02:41:01,719 --> 02:41:07,079
the only one. We're in the same boat together. You

2930
02:41:07,159 --> 02:41:09,639
never know when you're going to breathe your last breath.

2931
02:41:10,319 --> 02:41:18,239
We explore that concept so much on this show Death Eternity.

2932
02:41:18,319 --> 02:41:21,440
What happens when we go, Well, we can try to

2933
02:41:21,440 --> 02:41:23,760
be experts on what happens when we go and what's

2934
02:41:23,760 --> 02:41:27,719
happening in the world, or we can just try to

2935
02:41:27,719 --> 02:41:31,479
be a good steward of our time and our energy.

2936
02:41:31,639 --> 02:41:34,680
And that's the only thing we can do. So I

2937
02:41:34,719 --> 02:41:36,719
just want to remind you guys, listen, I lost my

2938
02:41:36,799 --> 02:41:40,520
cousin this morning, just a few years older than me.

2939
02:41:40,600 --> 02:41:46,600
Two three years older than me. Greg Gibson lost his

2940
02:41:46,879 --> 02:41:53,040
battle with COVID. You know, people we've gone to church

2941
02:41:53,120 --> 02:41:59,520
with they're dying. You know, they're having complications breathing. There's

2942
02:41:59,520 --> 02:42:02,680
an attack on the breath, there's an attack on the lungs.

2943
02:42:02,760 --> 02:42:13,440
And so embrace people each moment, each second, because in

2944
02:42:13,479 --> 02:42:18,559
the moment, in the now, there is eternity. You are eternal.

2945
02:42:18,600 --> 02:42:23,120
In the moment, You're always gonna have it the eternal moment.

2946
02:42:24,639 --> 02:42:29,799
Speak healing. Let's try to manifest some some some healing

2947
02:42:29,840 --> 02:42:33,120
for people. You know, we've been manifesting some cool stuff

2948
02:42:33,239 --> 02:42:37,600
jobs and and spouses and and and finances and things

2949
02:42:37,639 --> 02:42:40,799
and and and we've we've manifested healings too. But let's

2950
02:42:41,319 --> 02:42:44,200
let's tap in together, guys, when you hear about somebody

2951
02:42:44,239 --> 02:42:47,879
who's having complications, and let's let's do some alchemy. Man,

2952
02:42:48,799 --> 02:42:53,719
let's tap in. Let's alchemize the situation. Let's use what

2953
02:42:55,000 --> 02:43:00,000
the enemy meant for evil. It's God will in turn

2954
02:43:00,319 --> 02:43:03,040
and use it for good. You know, I believe we

2955
02:43:03,120 --> 02:43:05,600
have the power to tap in and co create with God. Listen,

2956
02:43:05,639 --> 02:43:08,040
That's what all this this entire talk has been about

2957
02:43:08,360 --> 02:43:11,079
co creating the life that you want for yourself, for

2958
02:43:11,120 --> 02:43:15,319
your children, and for your enemies. Man's when their compassions

2959
02:43:15,360 --> 02:43:18,760
move for your enemy. Will you really know that I'm woke?

2960
02:43:21,840 --> 02:43:25,239
You're woke? Not when you figured out the plans of

2961
02:43:25,280 --> 02:43:29,159
the Illuminati and the plans of the global elite. No,

2962
02:43:29,600 --> 02:43:33,000
you ain't woke. You're just watching documentaries when your heart

2963
02:43:33,040 --> 02:43:40,879
extends for your enemies and you want to see them blessed.

2964
02:43:41,879 --> 02:43:44,280
You want to see the people that you disagree with blessed.

2965
02:43:44,600 --> 02:43:47,440
Come on, y'all, it's time for you guys to stand up.

2966
02:43:47,479 --> 02:43:49,479
I love each and every one of you. Man, Take

2967
02:43:49,479 --> 02:43:52,840
care of yourselves out there. Get some good vitamins in you. Man,

2968
02:43:52,920 --> 02:43:55,360
Do breath work, Put your feet on the ground. Let

2969
02:43:55,399 --> 02:43:58,200
that energy enter you, man, Let it raise your frequency.

2970
02:43:58,280 --> 02:44:00,719
Let it take you to new levels, new heights that

2971
02:44:00,719 --> 02:44:03,079
you've never before dreamed at all in that wonder, that

2972
02:44:03,159 --> 02:44:06,639
compassion to flow out in everything that you touch and

2973
02:44:06,680 --> 02:44:10,040
everything that you do. Bring it into the now moment. Listen,

2974
02:44:10,040 --> 02:44:12,920
that's the power. I love you guys in Jesus' name, man,

2975
02:44:13,079 --> 02:44:16,200
and we're gonna do this, hopefully for a lot a

2976
02:44:16,239 --> 02:44:18,760
lot longer. And with that, I'm gonna say peace in

2977
02:44:18,799 --> 02:44:21,600
shaloon Man, many blessings. Guys, those of you who want

2978
02:44:21,639 --> 02:44:24,159
to will be on tonight with the School of the

2979
02:44:24,200 --> 02:44:27,120
Mystics and we'll be doing breath work Sunday morning meditation,

2980
02:44:27,360 --> 02:44:29,159
going deep in the Lord. Love you guys. We'll do

2981
02:44:29,159 --> 02:44:32,559
it again. Shalom so.

2982
02:44:35,520 --> 02:44:41,600
Speaker 4: Much, so much, so much.

2983
02:44:43,399 --> 02:44:44,840
Speaker 3: Well that does it for this episode.

2984
02:44:44,879 --> 02:44:45,239
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2985
02:44:45,319 --> 02:44:48,440
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2986
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2987
02:44:50,840 --> 02:44:53,719
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2988
02:44:53,760 --> 02:44:55,559
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2989
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