WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.680 --> 00:00:03.640 All right, let's get it drives on Monday afternoon, ten 2 00:00:03.680 --> 00:00:07.400 minutes past the hour of two o'clock. The weather is great. 3 00:00:07.639 --> 00:00:10.039 It was great all weekend. It's about eighty two degrees 4 00:00:10.039 --> 00:00:13.160 and sunny. You can feel it. You guys felt it 5 00:00:13.160 --> 00:00:15.080 over the weekend. Didn't you fall? Us on the way? 6 00:00:15.199 --> 00:00:19.280 College football is on the way? NFL preseason Week one 7 00:00:19.399 --> 00:00:22.600 in the books. We've got a scrimmage for the University 8 00:00:22.600 --> 00:00:25.399 of Utah to talk about. We've got some sound from practice. 9 00:00:25.440 --> 00:00:28.800 Coach Wit and some players talking about the first two 10 00:00:28.839 --> 00:00:32.439 weeks of camp Kyle as Utah continues to prepare for 11 00:00:32.520 --> 00:00:35.399 their opener coming up in Man just under three weeks now. 12 00:00:35.479 --> 00:00:36.880 We know right around the corner. 13 00:00:37.479 --> 00:00:39.159 And you could kind of feel the weather turn a 14 00:00:39.159 --> 00:00:40.119 little bit this weekend. 15 00:00:40.119 --> 00:00:41.359 Couldn't you felt good out there? 16 00:00:41.439 --> 00:00:45.159 BYU with a scrimmage this weekend as well, both BYU 17 00:00:45.200 --> 00:00:50.479 and Utah scrimmage number one of training camp. So, of course, 18 00:00:50.520 --> 00:00:54.119 the storyline down in Provo continues to be who will 19 00:00:54.119 --> 00:00:59.479 be under center? Aaron Roderick a little feisty, little spicy 20 00:00:59.640 --> 00:01:03.799 after their scrimmage, talking about how sloppy the offense looked, 21 00:01:04.159 --> 00:01:06.519 and at the University of Utah. No questions about who 22 00:01:06.680 --> 00:01:10.079 QB one is, maybe some questions about QB two, some 23 00:01:10.200 --> 00:01:14.680 questions about that wide receiver room captains have been announced. 24 00:01:14.879 --> 00:01:16.519 We'll get into that on the show today. And we 25 00:01:16.560 --> 00:01:18.920 have a new poll. It's pollseason, guys. You know that 26 00:01:20.000 --> 00:01:24.200 prior to the starter college football we overreact to nebulous, mundane, 27 00:01:24.480 --> 00:01:27.920 unnecessary things like AP polls and coaches polls and such. 28 00:01:28.560 --> 00:01:30.959 But we do have the preseason College Football EP Poll. 29 00:01:31.760 --> 00:01:34.599 Neither Utah or BYU making a cut as far as 30 00:01:34.599 --> 00:01:37.200 the top twenty five goes both right on the outside 31 00:01:37.200 --> 00:01:39.719 looking in. So we'll kind of review that on the 32 00:01:39.760 --> 00:01:42.200 show today and get you ready for Utah football. Gets 33 00:01:42.200 --> 00:01:44.560 you ready for Big twelve Football BYU Football. 34 00:01:44.319 --> 00:01:44.959 Utah State. 35 00:01:45.680 --> 00:01:48.640 We'll open up against UTAP all three of our in 36 00:01:48.760 --> 00:01:51.959 state teams opening up on the thirtieth, So fun Saturday, 37 00:01:52.079 --> 00:01:55.319 just a couple of Saturdays away and Big twelve football 38 00:01:55.400 --> 00:01:58.519 college football right around the corner. As I reference Week 39 00:01:58.599 --> 00:02:00.680 one of the NFL preseason in the books, a lot 40 00:02:00.680 --> 00:02:03.439 of local players either trying to make teams or trying 41 00:02:03.439 --> 00:02:07.920 to make positional matchups going their favor. We saw Zach 42 00:02:07.959 --> 00:02:11.120 Wilson on the field for Miami looked pretty good. Tyler 43 00:02:11.199 --> 00:02:14.319 Huntley in backup duty for Cleveland after shad Or Sanders 44 00:02:14.319 --> 00:02:18.240 had a very nice preseason debut, leading the Cleveland Browns 45 00:02:18.280 --> 00:02:22.000 on three different touchdown drives. Jackson Dart with a really 46 00:02:22.000 --> 00:02:24.599 good game for the Giants. A lot of buzz around 47 00:02:24.680 --> 00:02:25.759 Jackson Dart back. 48 00:02:25.599 --> 00:02:27.199 In New York in the. 49 00:02:26.879 --> 00:02:30.199 Tri state area, so a lot of football to get 50 00:02:30.240 --> 00:02:34.360 to on the program today. RSL fans not happy today. 51 00:02:34.479 --> 00:02:39.120 RSL brass coaches front office not thrilled about the officiating 52 00:02:39.159 --> 00:02:41.120 in New York over the weekend. I guess technically New 53 00:02:41.159 --> 00:02:43.319 Jersey is where the New York Red Bulls played soccer. 54 00:02:44.080 --> 00:02:46.759 RSL took a one mill lead in the third minute 55 00:02:47.159 --> 00:02:49.560 Gozo got his third goal of the season, but it 56 00:02:49.599 --> 00:02:51.680 was two goals from New York in the second half, 57 00:02:52.400 --> 00:02:56.639 won via a very questionable penalty kick after Diego Luna 58 00:02:56.879 --> 00:02:59.400 was very questionably sent off for a second yellow. 59 00:02:59.439 --> 00:03:00.759 There was just so bad. 60 00:03:01.439 --> 00:03:01.639 Now. 61 00:03:01.680 --> 00:03:03.800 The silver lining is Diego looks hired and so he's 62 00:03:03.840 --> 00:03:06.360 gonna get the week off. RSL travels to Charlotte coming 63 00:03:06.439 --> 00:03:09.560 up this weekend for another road tilt. As a result 64 00:03:09.639 --> 00:03:11.240 of the loss over the weekend and some of the 65 00:03:11.240 --> 00:03:13.560 results it didn't go their way. RSL on the wrong 66 00:03:13.680 --> 00:03:17.719 side now of the MLS playoff line. Hopefully they can 67 00:03:17.759 --> 00:03:20.120 get the old tunesa kid ready to roll with his work, 68 00:03:20.199 --> 00:03:24.039 visa and healthy and into the lineup. Rawan Cruz has 69 00:03:24.080 --> 00:03:27.000 played a couple of matches now, so little RSL on 70 00:03:27.039 --> 00:03:30.240 the program. Probably the most quiet time of the calendar 71 00:03:30.280 --> 00:03:33.639 for the offseason in the NBA. There's still a little 72 00:03:33.639 --> 00:03:36.360 bit of news and a little bit of buzz surrounding 73 00:03:36.400 --> 00:03:37.520 a couple of big names. 74 00:03:38.120 --> 00:03:40.159 Another rumor surrounding Giannis today. 75 00:03:40.240 --> 00:03:42.080 I don't know that that is anything that is going 76 00:03:42.159 --> 00:03:45.319 to go down, but Jonathan Kaminga hasn't signed. There some 77 00:03:45.360 --> 00:03:48.240 pretty good players in pro basketball still looking for homes. 78 00:03:48.280 --> 00:03:50.599 I'm not sure that the Jazz are gonna make any 79 00:03:50.639 --> 00:03:53.639 other moves after bringing back the mini van last week. 80 00:03:53.680 --> 00:03:55.719 George Yang will be back in Salt Ake playing some 81 00:03:55.759 --> 00:03:58.639 basketball for the Jazz coming up next year. 82 00:03:58.719 --> 00:04:01.680 So not a ton of NBA storylines. 83 00:04:01.719 --> 00:04:04.879 We do have opening night schedules, we do have Christmas 84 00:04:05.000 --> 00:04:07.319 Day schedules. We're still a few weeks away from getting 85 00:04:07.319 --> 00:04:11.360 the actual schedule, so mostly college and pro football right now. 86 00:04:11.400 --> 00:04:14.439 A little bit of RSL for the local flavor and. 87 00:04:14.400 --> 00:04:16.360 If anything comes down in the world of pro basketball 88 00:04:16.360 --> 00:04:18.199 with the Utah Jazz, of course we'll bring that to you. 89 00:04:18.240 --> 00:04:20.439 So a lot to do on the show today. Good 90 00:04:20.439 --> 00:04:22.120 to have you guys with us. Happy Monday. I if 91 00:04:22.160 --> 00:04:23.560 you had a great weekend and are off to a 92 00:04:23.600 --> 00:04:26.240 good start to that work week. Got a fun week 93 00:04:26.439 --> 00:04:28.360 plan for you guys a couple remotes. I'll be at 94 00:04:28.399 --> 00:04:31.160 the Red Zone store up on campus on Wednesday, getting 95 00:04:31.160 --> 00:04:33.839 you guys ready for game day. We have our Utah 96 00:04:34.000 --> 00:04:37.680 football welcome party coming up on Wednesday here at the station. 97 00:04:37.839 --> 00:04:40.199 So excited for that. And we'll be out in about 98 00:04:40.199 --> 00:04:43.680 a little bit on the program leading up to football season, 99 00:04:43.720 --> 00:04:45.000 which is a fun time of year in the market. 100 00:04:45.040 --> 00:04:47.560 All right, Our first guest today the Wall of the 101 00:04:47.600 --> 00:04:51.600 Wasatch Hall of Famer Nick Rimando stops bot. He's doing 102 00:04:51.639 --> 00:04:54.399 some coaching for the RSL Academy kids. We'll get Nicky's 103 00:04:54.439 --> 00:04:58.399 take on Ratha Cabral channeling his inner Nick Rimando with 104 00:04:58.439 --> 00:05:01.519 some penalty kick saves. Cabral had another one on Sunday 105 00:05:01.560 --> 00:05:04.720 against New York Fox and MARSL. And then see what 106 00:05:04.800 --> 00:05:07.600 Nicky has going on with a special Cause in our community. 107 00:05:07.600 --> 00:05:09.519 We'll tell you about on the program. 108 00:05:09.560 --> 00:05:09.839 Today. 109 00:05:09.839 --> 00:05:13.000 Our friend from KSL Amy Donaldson, joins me live and studio. 110 00:05:13.000 --> 00:05:15.319 We'll get the update on what Amy has going on. 111 00:05:15.439 --> 00:05:16.199 We'll do some. 112 00:05:16.120 --> 00:05:20.040 Local sports, college football, maybe a little Utah Mammoth, whatever 113 00:05:20.079 --> 00:05:22.240 else Amy has going on today, we'll bring her in. 114 00:05:22.680 --> 00:05:25.600 We have a lot of sound from practice, and this 115 00:05:25.720 --> 00:05:27.680 time of year typically we launch in a lot of 116 00:05:27.680 --> 00:05:29.759 our practice sounds, so you guys can kind of understand 117 00:05:29.800 --> 00:05:32.040 the tone and tenor where Utah football is at just 118 00:05:32.079 --> 00:05:35.240 a few days away. Honestly, we're kind of counting down 119 00:05:35.279 --> 00:05:37.879 the days now for Utah football to open up at 120 00:05:37.879 --> 00:05:39.959 the Rose Bowl against UCLA. So we'll bring you some 121 00:05:40.040 --> 00:05:43.199 practice sound today. Then our friend Brett Siancia from Pick 122 00:05:43.279 --> 00:05:46.480 six Previews, who's a really fun football mind to talk 123 00:05:46.519 --> 00:05:49.399 about prior to the start of these college football games. 124 00:05:49.439 --> 00:05:51.399 As we're kind of getting there, he'll stop by today 125 00:05:51.519 --> 00:05:54.439 later on in the four o'clock hour. So Nick Rimando, 126 00:05:54.480 --> 00:05:57.560 Amy Donaldson, a little sound from practice, Brett Cianca Picked 127 00:05:57.560 --> 00:05:59.439 six Previews, Me Spence Check, it's all of you, the 128 00:05:59.439 --> 00:06:04.240 great listeners, and that guy Porter Larson. On a Monday afternoon, 129 00:06:04.279 --> 00:06:06.959 so less than three weeks a we can now actually 130 00:06:07.000 --> 00:06:09.600 get into it. Say, we are days away from the 131 00:06:09.639 --> 00:06:12.079 start now of college football. I don't tell you what 132 00:06:12.120 --> 00:06:14.079 this weekend. If you went outside, and I know you did, 133 00:06:14.959 --> 00:06:18.920 you sampled some lovely spring water. According to your social channels, 134 00:06:19.439 --> 00:06:21.319 you could feel at this weekend, couldn't you. This is 135 00:06:21.360 --> 00:06:23.160 the first weekend where you're like, Okay, it's still really 136 00:06:23.240 --> 00:06:25.160 nice and warm, but falls right around the corner. 137 00:06:25.240 --> 00:06:27.240 Yeah, there was a there was a little tinge of 138 00:06:27.519 --> 00:06:30.560 fall in the air, and you mentioned that I got 139 00:06:30.560 --> 00:06:33.079 out this weekend. I regret to inform you I saw 140 00:06:33.120 --> 00:06:39.079 some yellow leaves high country. Yeah. That means we're officially 141 00:06:39.079 --> 00:06:42.399 starting to turn the clock. As you know, when you're 142 00:06:42.519 --> 00:06:46.680 just days away from Utah football, fall is fall is 143 00:06:46.720 --> 00:06:51.240 just around the corner, but starting to take shape things 144 00:06:51.279 --> 00:06:54.639 at fall camp, right, You're starting to hear a little 145 00:06:54.720 --> 00:06:58.199 more finality to some of the position groups, some of 146 00:06:57.720 --> 00:07:01.120 the talk around, some of the questions of the offseason, 147 00:07:01.680 --> 00:07:05.439 and uh, just in time, because like you said, we're 148 00:07:05.519 --> 00:07:08.680 within three weeks from football, and Kyle and co. Are 149 00:07:09.279 --> 00:07:12.920 not quite halfway done, but just about just about halfway 150 00:07:12.920 --> 00:07:13.480 done with ful. 151 00:07:13.439 --> 00:07:14.079 Kim no doubt. 152 00:07:14.160 --> 00:07:17.279 Week three of camp Kyle began today up on the Hill. 153 00:07:17.279 --> 00:07:19.279 Bring us some sound and some media reaction from that 154 00:07:19.399 --> 00:07:22.240 coming up in the four o'clock hour. But Nick Romanda 155 00:07:22.240 --> 00:07:24.879 will be our first guest before Nikki stops by courtesy 156 00:07:24.920 --> 00:07:27.639 of our good friends at Prize Picks. Welcome back, Prize Picks. 157 00:07:27.639 --> 00:07:29.600 It is time now for your opening tip. 158 00:07:30.160 --> 00:07:30.680 Welcome to the. 159 00:07:30.720 --> 00:07:33.560 Drive with Spence Check its on Utah's number one sports 160 00:07:33.600 --> 00:07:36.879 talk Now into the studios of ESPN seven hundred to 161 00:07:36.959 --> 00:07:39.319 set the scene for the show. 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After 172 00:08:06.920 --> 00:08:09.240 you play your first five dollars lineup Prize Picks, you. 173 00:08:09.160 --> 00:08:14.040 Can run your game all season long. Poleseason, folks. You 174 00:08:14.079 --> 00:08:14.879 guys know the deal. 175 00:08:14.959 --> 00:08:17.600 As we are preparing for games, we like to react 176 00:08:17.680 --> 00:08:22.000 to polls, and obviously, if you pay attention to the sport, 177 00:08:22.079 --> 00:08:25.600 you know that the AP poll typically carries a lot 178 00:08:25.639 --> 00:08:29.040 more weight than the AFCA coaches pulled the USA Today, 179 00:08:29.040 --> 00:08:31.240 coaches pull whatever you want to call it that was 180 00:08:31.279 --> 00:08:35.240 released last Monday. It more or less is an unserious endeavor. 181 00:08:35.600 --> 00:08:38.080 More often than not. As we've talked about last week, 182 00:08:38.279 --> 00:08:42.399 these are head coaches that are basically, you know, sourcing 183 00:08:42.440 --> 00:08:45.679 this stuff out to sids and other people. Some coaches 184 00:08:45.840 --> 00:08:48.679 have never even filled the thing out. Other coaches have 185 00:08:48.720 --> 00:08:51.080 done on once or twice. And there are other coaches 186 00:08:51.120 --> 00:08:53.600 on record, as our buddy Kyle Bonnagurro told us last 187 00:08:53.600 --> 00:08:55.759 week to say, they typically look at what the media 188 00:08:55.840 --> 00:08:58.000 is doing anyway and just kind of carbon copy it. 189 00:08:58.120 --> 00:09:01.240 Coaches are busy, they don't time to dig into like 190 00:09:01.960 --> 00:09:05.159 you know, the k State two deep juxtapposed to Indiana 191 00:09:05.279 --> 00:09:07.320 or whatever. They've got their own program to run. So 192 00:09:07.399 --> 00:09:10.440 the AP Top twenty five pool is typically one to 193 00:09:10.480 --> 00:09:12.240 look out with a little bit more of a serious, 194 00:09:12.279 --> 00:09:15.240 serious tone. I was surprised to learn that Texas is 195 00:09:15.279 --> 00:09:17.120 your AP number one team for the first time in 196 00:09:17.200 --> 00:09:21.120 program history. I mean that is a blue, blue, blue 197 00:09:21.120 --> 00:09:23.840 blood college football program that's had a lot of success 198 00:09:23.879 --> 00:09:26.799 over a number of different years, multiple national championships and such. 199 00:09:27.279 --> 00:09:28.440 But they find themselves. 200 00:09:28.639 --> 00:09:31.440 Steve Sarkisian and Arch Mannion found themselves atop the AP 201 00:09:31.559 --> 00:09:33.440 twenty five pole out one. 202 00:09:33.639 --> 00:09:37.039 Penn State, who is your favorite to win the Big Ten? 203 00:09:37.159 --> 00:09:40.000 Comes in at two, followed by Ohio State at three, 204 00:09:40.440 --> 00:09:44.559 Clemson at four, and Georgia at five. Now a little 205 00:09:44.559 --> 00:09:46.559 bit of a difference between the AP and the coaches 206 00:09:46.639 --> 00:09:49.639 coaches when Texas, Ohio State, Penn State, Georgia, Notre Dame, 207 00:09:50.159 --> 00:09:52.519 Notre Dame comes in at six. For the AP, both 208 00:09:52.559 --> 00:09:55.480 polls had Oregon at seven, Bama at eight, LSU at nine, 209 00:09:55.559 --> 00:09:59.399 Miami at ten. Arizona State, just like in the coaches poll, 210 00:09:59.399 --> 00:10:02.279 comes in at a eleven. They are your highest ranked 211 00:10:02.279 --> 00:10:05.960 Big twelve team. Other Big twelve teams of note, case 212 00:10:05.960 --> 00:10:09.919 State was twentieth and the coaches pulled They're seventeen. In 213 00:10:10.000 --> 00:10:13.279 the AP poll, you're looking at Iowa State of twenty two, 214 00:10:13.399 --> 00:10:17.159 Texas Tech and that new oil money roster infused with 215 00:10:17.240 --> 00:10:20.399 a lot of talent comes into twenty three, and both 216 00:10:20.440 --> 00:10:23.200 BYU and Utah barely on the outside looking in, but 217 00:10:23.240 --> 00:10:26.559 they're right next to each other. So Boise State is 218 00:10:26.600 --> 00:10:29.879 the final team in the top twenty five and then 219 00:10:29.960 --> 00:10:33.799 BYU would be twenty six, Utah would be twenty seven. Okay, 220 00:10:33.879 --> 00:10:35.840 BYU did make it in the top twenty five for 221 00:10:35.879 --> 00:10:38.639 the coaches pull at twenty three. Utah would have been 222 00:10:38.759 --> 00:10:42.399 thirtieth in the coaches poll based off of others receiving votes. 223 00:10:42.440 --> 00:10:45.240 So as far as the ap goes, not as high 224 00:10:45.240 --> 00:10:49.000 on BYU, but higher on Utah, which is interesting. So 225 00:10:49.200 --> 00:10:53.039 both teams, both BYU and Utah football scrimmage won over 226 00:10:53.039 --> 00:10:53.519 the weekend. 227 00:10:53.639 --> 00:10:55.480 After the first two weeks of fall camp. 228 00:10:56.480 --> 00:10:59.399 Brigham Young still has not decided on a quarterback, and 229 00:10:59.480 --> 00:11:01.519 Aaron Rod in front of the show stops by a 230 00:11:01.559 --> 00:11:03.799 couple times throughout the course of the college football season. 231 00:11:04.360 --> 00:11:07.600 I was a little more spicy than we typically see 232 00:11:07.639 --> 00:11:11.159 a Rod during camp. He kind of bemoaned how sloppy 233 00:11:11.559 --> 00:11:14.639 the offense was. Now, both these programs, I find this 234 00:11:14.720 --> 00:11:16.240 kind of interesting, and this is a little bit of 235 00:11:16.240 --> 00:11:18.360 a paradigm shift. If you're a BYU fan and this 236 00:11:18.399 --> 00:11:22.159 is as a result of Kalani Satake cutting his teeth 237 00:11:22.279 --> 00:11:26.240 under coach with this is a defense first program. 238 00:11:26.320 --> 00:11:28.440 Now, just like you, Tayas, BYU's the same. 239 00:11:28.480 --> 00:11:31.519 These were the top two scoring defenses in the Big 240 00:11:31.559 --> 00:11:34.879 twelve a year ago. BYU is the number thirteenth rated 241 00:11:34.919 --> 00:11:36.759 overall defense in the entire country. 242 00:11:37.279 --> 00:11:39.679 They return a great linebacking corps. 243 00:11:39.720 --> 00:11:43.399 We know the deal with Kiano Toadavasa, you know, essentially 244 00:11:43.440 --> 00:11:46.120 transferring down to Provo. I don't know if you guys 245 00:11:46.159 --> 00:11:47.879 heard about that, you fans, you may have caught win 246 00:11:48.000 --> 00:11:51.399 of that. So just like here in Sau Lake, now, 247 00:11:51.600 --> 00:11:54.639 oftentimes when these scrimmages are held, it's pretty one sided. 248 00:11:54.679 --> 00:11:58.240 And if you listened to Kilani and a Rod after 249 00:11:58.360 --> 00:12:01.639 BYU scrimmage, number one, defense dominated the entire thing. 250 00:12:02.440 --> 00:12:04.240 It feels like there's a little bit of momentum. 251 00:12:04.279 --> 00:12:06.720 As far as naming the top two quarterbacks, it looks 252 00:12:06.759 --> 00:12:09.480 like it's gonna be McKay Hillstead and the bear Bachmeyer kid, 253 00:12:09.480 --> 00:12:12.559 the freshman who played a little bit at Stanford. A 254 00:12:12.720 --> 00:12:16.600 Rod wanted bear Bachmeyer out of high school badly. But 255 00:12:16.639 --> 00:12:18.600 it looks like maybe Trayson Borgaeo is going to be 256 00:12:18.639 --> 00:12:21.000 the odd man out of this race. But we are 257 00:12:21.960 --> 00:12:24.240 less than three weeks away from game day, and as 258 00:12:24.320 --> 00:12:27.799 Jason Beck talked about last week, it's time to game plan. Specifically, 259 00:12:27.840 --> 00:12:29.840 if you're Utah, it's time to put in the UCLA 260 00:12:29.960 --> 00:12:33.039 game plan. And if you're BYU, yeah it's Portland State, 261 00:12:33.120 --> 00:12:34.240 but you've got to figure it out. 262 00:12:34.240 --> 00:12:34.440 Man. 263 00:12:34.559 --> 00:12:37.440 Like, I don't think it matters who's under center against 264 00:12:37.480 --> 00:12:39.759 Portland State. You could probably play a quarter, you know, 265 00:12:39.799 --> 00:12:41.799 a running back under center and still get that win. 266 00:12:42.639 --> 00:12:45.039 But at this point, when it comes to that position, 267 00:12:45.799 --> 00:12:47.600 you have to have a better idea of where you're 268 00:12:47.639 --> 00:12:49.879 at than I feel like BYU does. Now, is there 269 00:12:49.879 --> 00:12:52.080 a chance they know who the starter is? 270 00:12:52.159 --> 00:12:52.360 Sure? 271 00:12:52.360 --> 00:12:52.720 There is? 272 00:12:53.399 --> 00:12:56.080 And a Rod and Kalani today, according to sources, have 273 00:12:56.200 --> 00:12:58.919 decided they are going to wait until game day to 274 00:12:59.000 --> 00:13:02.320 announce it publicly, which I think oftentimes is silly. We've 275 00:13:02.360 --> 00:13:05.039 been over this with both Utah and BYU, this clandestine 276 00:13:05.039 --> 00:13:09.039 approach to like injuries and the ambiguity surrounding your roster 277 00:13:09.080 --> 00:13:11.120 about who's going to play and who is and I 278 00:13:11.159 --> 00:13:13.519 don't find that to be a competitive advantage. I'm not 279 00:13:13.559 --> 00:13:15.639 a college football coach, and that is a topic that's 280 00:13:15.639 --> 00:13:18.600 been highly debated, so we'll see what happens. And of 281 00:13:18.600 --> 00:13:21.480 course that's probably the biggest storyline in state when it 282 00:13:21.480 --> 00:13:23.720 comes to our local college football teams, because if you 283 00:13:23.759 --> 00:13:25.759 do not have a quarterback that you like, you might 284 00:13:25.799 --> 00:13:27.919 as well not even kick off. Now, for Utah side 285 00:13:27.919 --> 00:13:30.600 of things, it's nice that we know that the job 286 00:13:30.639 --> 00:13:34.399 is Devon's as far as the race to be his backup, 287 00:13:35.039 --> 00:13:38.240 I feel like every time coach Becker Coach Wit are 288 00:13:38.279 --> 00:13:40.080 asked about that position, they have a lot of really 289 00:13:40.159 --> 00:13:43.000 nice things to say about the bird fickling kid who 290 00:13:43.200 --> 00:13:46.200 probably plays a little bit more like Devin than Isaac does. 291 00:13:46.279 --> 00:13:48.720 Does that play into his favor? Bird is known as 292 00:13:48.759 --> 00:13:50.440 a little bit more of a dual threat. Isaac can 293 00:13:50.519 --> 00:13:53.279 run a bit. It's not like he is a Peyton 294 00:13:53.279 --> 00:13:55.399 Manning type pocket quarterback. You can't get out of the 295 00:13:55.440 --> 00:13:57.679 pocket if he needs to. We've seen Isaac escape before. 296 00:13:57.720 --> 00:14:00.279 It's not like he can't do that. But that's a 297 00:14:00.360 --> 00:14:02.559 race to watch out for. The running back race though, 298 00:14:02.559 --> 00:14:04.399 and you'll hear from Coach Wood in the four o'clock hour. 299 00:14:04.480 --> 00:14:07.080 We all thought that job was wayshants and it probably 300 00:14:07.120 --> 00:14:11.000 still is. But you know, a running back room now 301 00:14:11.159 --> 00:14:14.200 by committee essentially, and look, that's not a bad thing. 302 00:14:14.279 --> 00:14:17.159 I don't think that's a knock on anybody. I think 303 00:14:17.200 --> 00:14:19.679 you want a crowded running back room with a lot 304 00:14:19.720 --> 00:14:20.679 of different options. 305 00:14:21.080 --> 00:14:23.559 The wide receivers, you know, both Coach Waiting. 306 00:14:23.440 --> 00:14:25.120 Coach back kind of alluded to the fact they feel 307 00:14:25.120 --> 00:14:28.320 good about their top seven. There are seventeen wide receivers 308 00:14:28.360 --> 00:14:31.519 on the roster. There's only one wide receiver that has 309 00:14:31.559 --> 00:14:34.879 more than thirty career catches. Okay, so that's one of 310 00:14:34.879 --> 00:14:36.840 the reasons why I continue to be a little bit 311 00:14:36.879 --> 00:14:39.360 skeptical about exactly what this offense is going to look like. 312 00:14:39.399 --> 00:14:40.519 I know there's a lot of hope. 313 00:14:40.840 --> 00:14:43.000 Devin named the Newcomer of the Year in the Big Twelve, 314 00:14:43.559 --> 00:14:45.519 and I feel like there's a lot of optimism about 315 00:14:45.519 --> 00:14:47.360 what that could look like. But simply because I haven't 316 00:14:47.399 --> 00:14:50.200 seen it and I'm unfamiliar with the schemes, I'm unfamiliar 317 00:14:50.200 --> 00:14:54.600 with the talent. I will continue to say observation, not conclusion. Certainly, 318 00:14:55.320 --> 00:14:58.559 during the non conference portion of Utah schedule, which includes 319 00:14:58.679 --> 00:15:00.919 winnable games, all three of them should be winnable games. 320 00:15:00.960 --> 00:15:03.960 Both Utah and BYU have a pretty soft non non 321 00:15:03.960 --> 00:15:07.639 con schedule this year. Utah at UCLA, they host cal Pauly, 322 00:15:07.840 --> 00:15:10.240 then they'll be up for the Porter Larson Bowl in 323 00:15:10.399 --> 00:15:12.879 Lara meet to take on the Wyoming Cowboys. Utah in 324 00:15:13.039 --> 00:15:16.639 BYU should interconference plan defeated, And if you look at 325 00:15:16.679 --> 00:15:19.720 the way BYU schedule shapes up, there's a legitimate shot 326 00:15:19.759 --> 00:15:22.519 that they're six and oh heading into the Utah game 327 00:15:22.559 --> 00:15:25.759 and Provo. So it's Portland State at Stanford East Carolina 328 00:15:25.840 --> 00:15:29.799 an unserious non con endeavor, It's at Colorado. A ton 329 00:15:29.840 --> 00:15:33.320 of question marks about Dion's team this year. West Virginia 330 00:15:33.399 --> 00:15:36.120 is probably one of the three worst teams in the 331 00:15:36.120 --> 00:15:38.799 Big Twelve, and Brett Brennan is coaching for his job 332 00:15:38.840 --> 00:15:41.399 this year down at Arizona. No a fafeed is back, 333 00:15:41.440 --> 00:15:43.720 but defensively there were a sieve. There's a good chance 334 00:15:43.840 --> 00:15:46.480 that BYU is six and oh entering game week for 335 00:15:46.639 --> 00:15:50.519 Utah in Provo, and Utah's task is a little bit tougher. 336 00:15:50.639 --> 00:15:53.000 Utah has one of the top three toughest schedules in 337 00:15:53.000 --> 00:15:55.200 the Big twelve. BYU has one of the bottom three 338 00:15:55.480 --> 00:15:58.240 toughest schedules in the Big Twelve. After the non con 339 00:15:58.399 --> 00:16:01.240 Utah will host Texas Tech, a team that a lot 340 00:16:01.279 --> 00:16:03.679 of people are very very curious about because of this 341 00:16:03.759 --> 00:16:06.759 infusion of money and this infusion of talent on the roster. 342 00:16:07.360 --> 00:16:09.759 They're at West Virginia and Morgantown, which should be a win, 343 00:16:09.840 --> 00:16:13.159 but then they get Arizona State at home. Utah has 344 00:16:13.360 --> 00:16:15.879 two of the best teams in the conference in their 345 00:16:15.919 --> 00:16:18.559 first three conference games. The good news both those games 346 00:16:18.559 --> 00:16:21.240 are rice cycles here in Salt Lake, and then we 347 00:16:21.320 --> 00:16:23.960 see what Utah and BYU have against each other down 348 00:16:23.960 --> 00:16:26.080 in Provo after the ASU game. 349 00:16:26.519 --> 00:16:28.200 So fun time of year. 350 00:16:28.759 --> 00:16:31.799 Still some question marks on both rosters with some positional battles, 351 00:16:31.799 --> 00:16:33.360 but we are getting close to game day. 352 00:16:33.879 --> 00:16:35.720 Another honor for Spencer Fano. 353 00:16:35.840 --> 00:16:40.600 Today, Chris Lowe named ESPN's All American Team for this 354 00:16:40.639 --> 00:16:45.000 is All of College Football All American Team ESPN, Spencer 355 00:16:45.039 --> 00:16:48.960 Fano is your first team All American offensive tackle and 356 00:16:49.039 --> 00:16:51.320 he's the only player I believe in the Big twelve 357 00:16:51.360 --> 00:16:56.240 to make the team. So another nice kind of just 358 00:16:56.879 --> 00:16:59.279 you know, honor for Spencer Fano, who is not like 359 00:16:59.279 --> 00:17:01.600 he needs any more. It's kind of been the spring 360 00:17:01.679 --> 00:17:03.840 slash summer Spencer Fano as he shot up a lot 361 00:17:03.840 --> 00:17:05.759 of draft wars. He was also named a captain today 362 00:17:05.759 --> 00:17:08.640 along with his brother Lander Barton is also going to 363 00:17:08.640 --> 00:17:11.039 be a captain. I think, Kyle, I believe it was 364 00:17:11.079 --> 00:17:13.079 Caleb who got the final nod. I think it was 365 00:17:13.119 --> 00:17:17.240 two offensive linemen, a defensive lineman, and yeah, Jared Kump 366 00:17:17.279 --> 00:17:17.720 is who it was. 367 00:17:17.720 --> 00:17:18.720 So there you go, there you go. 368 00:17:18.839 --> 00:17:21.440 So no, Devin Dampierre a little surprised there, but Utah 369 00:17:21.480 --> 00:17:23.200 football naming their four captains today. 370 00:17:23.240 --> 00:17:25.119 As we're getting ready for the season. 371 00:17:25.839 --> 00:17:28.759 We got our friend Amy Donaldson from ksl's going to 372 00:17:28.839 --> 00:17:31.119 join us live in the studio to talk about here 373 00:17:31.119 --> 00:17:34.079 are two different local sports topics. We'll do some college 374 00:17:34.079 --> 00:17:36.559 football Namy and see what her latest projects are. 375 00:17:37.279 --> 00:17:38.920 Are formulating through. 376 00:17:39.000 --> 00:17:41.960 Right now, we've got Brett Ciancia from Pick six Previews. 377 00:17:42.039 --> 00:17:44.759 We'll bring you some sound from Utah football practices. We're 378 00:17:44.839 --> 00:17:49.480 nineteen days away from Utah and UCLA. Ironically enough, speaking 379 00:17:49.519 --> 00:17:51.720 of Ucla, we have a former Bruin. 380 00:17:52.200 --> 00:17:52.839 On the show. 381 00:17:53.039 --> 00:17:55.240 You guys know him as the Wall of the Wassatch, 382 00:17:55.319 --> 00:17:58.440 the Goat Hall of Famer Nick Romando. Monday Afternoon, NICKI 383 00:17:58.480 --> 00:17:59.119 Happy Monday man. 384 00:17:59.119 --> 00:18:00.839 How you doing, Spens? 385 00:18:00.880 --> 00:18:03.720 What's going on, doing great, doing great. How are you doing, man. 386 00:18:03.599 --> 00:18:05.599 O, good buddy, I appreciate your time. Do you stay 387 00:18:05.599 --> 00:18:09.000 connected to UCLA at all? Are you a basketball football fan? 388 00:18:09.039 --> 00:18:10.400 You stay connected your alma mater. 389 00:18:11.839 --> 00:18:14.880 I mean, I wouldn't say stay connected connected, but I 390 00:18:15.000 --> 00:18:18.160 definitely looking at the score, seeing how they're doing. Obviously, 391 00:18:18.200 --> 00:18:20.680 my son's a big hooper, so we pay attention to 392 00:18:20.680 --> 00:18:23.920 the basketball team more so, but always love when the 393 00:18:23.920 --> 00:18:24.480 Bruins win. 394 00:18:24.920 --> 00:18:27.960 Wait, your boys, uh, your boys a basketball player? 395 00:18:28.160 --> 00:18:32.119 Huh yeah, he's a He's a big hooper. That's his sport. 396 00:18:32.200 --> 00:18:34.720 I mean, obviously, you know he loves soccer and he 397 00:18:34.759 --> 00:18:38.319 plays for his high school, but his main sport is basketball. 398 00:18:38.359 --> 00:18:41.119 So going into a senior year at East and and uh, 399 00:18:41.279 --> 00:18:43.440 it's really been fun to watch him and growing in 400 00:18:43.519 --> 00:18:46.039 the in the sport and see how happy he is 401 00:18:46.079 --> 00:18:48.279 on the court, and and uh yeah, I'm just really 402 00:18:48.319 --> 00:18:49.559 looking forward to a senior year. 403 00:18:49.640 --> 00:18:52.079 I can't believe that that kid's a senior. I remember 404 00:18:52.160 --> 00:18:54.799 him running around following you when you were playing for 405 00:18:54.839 --> 00:18:57.240 ourself back in the day. He's a senior, that's wild. 406 00:18:57.319 --> 00:19:00.680 Nick, don't blink your eyes. I know, man, daughter's gonna 407 00:19:00.680 --> 00:19:04.480 be a sophomore. My son's a senior, So yeah, I'm 408 00:19:04.480 --> 00:19:06.240 in it. This is a fun time for me. 409 00:19:06.359 --> 00:19:07.000 That's amazing. 410 00:19:07.039 --> 00:19:09.279 Hey, I wanted to start out with your thoughts on 411 00:19:09.559 --> 00:19:12.240 watching Rafa Cabral this year. You know, during the league's 412 00:19:12.240 --> 00:19:15.400 cup run, there was a little Now, I this is 413 00:19:15.480 --> 00:19:17.599 kind of sacrilege because you did this at a high 414 00:19:17.680 --> 00:19:19.599 level for a number of years and you guys lifted 415 00:19:19.599 --> 00:19:21.759 a cup, but there was a little romando field to 416 00:19:21.960 --> 00:19:24.440 kind of the way. He was stepping up in big 417 00:19:24.480 --> 00:19:27.599 moments during pks and he's the only player on the 418 00:19:27.640 --> 00:19:28.799 team that has played every. 419 00:19:28.640 --> 00:19:29.720 Minute this year. What what? 420 00:19:29.720 --> 00:19:29.920 What? 421 00:19:29.920 --> 00:19:32.640 What are your thoughts watching Cabral play for RSL this 422 00:19:32.720 --> 00:19:35.000 year exceeded expectations. 423 00:19:35.400 --> 00:19:37.960 I am a big, big fan of Rafa. He showed 424 00:19:38.039 --> 00:19:40.640 up not only in the field. You guys don't see 425 00:19:40.680 --> 00:19:42.359 all this stuff. You know that I see, you know 426 00:19:42.480 --> 00:19:44.599 the training ground and you know in the locker room 427 00:19:44.640 --> 00:19:46.519 at the gym. He's a real leader at the squad. 428 00:19:47.240 --> 00:19:49.839 He's obviously putting the work on the field, showing up, 429 00:19:49.880 --> 00:19:52.680 making the big says like you said in that first 430 00:19:52.680 --> 00:19:56.240 game against Club America, coming up big in the PK shootout. 431 00:19:57.400 --> 00:20:00.839 But just this presence back there, his calmn to the 432 00:20:00.960 --> 00:20:04.000 back line, and obviously you need a goalkeeper to make 433 00:20:04.039 --> 00:20:05.680 the big safe for you here and there too. But 434 00:20:06.240 --> 00:20:10.440 a big fan of Rafa another p case that last 435 00:20:10.480 --> 00:20:13.480 night against New York, But I don't think he could 436 00:20:13.480 --> 00:20:15.799 do any more for the club. He's been lights out 437 00:20:15.839 --> 00:20:17.920 for me so now. 438 00:20:17.920 --> 00:20:20.839 Obviously the result didn't go to the club's way yesterday, 439 00:20:21.319 --> 00:20:24.640 but overall the form has been so much better, Nick, 440 00:20:24.839 --> 00:20:27.319 I think they're you know, they have two losses in 441 00:20:27.359 --> 00:20:29.480 the last eleven, you know, some draws here there, and 442 00:20:29.519 --> 00:20:31.680 of course that does include the league's cup run. But 443 00:20:32.240 --> 00:20:35.319 a nice win over Club America, one of the powerhouse 444 00:20:35.319 --> 00:20:38.039 clubs in this region, kind of felt like a road 445 00:20:38.119 --> 00:20:39.559 game in a way. But why do you think the 446 00:20:39.599 --> 00:20:42.240 club has turned it around? What do you most attribute 447 00:20:42.279 --> 00:20:42.920 the better form too? 448 00:20:43.440 --> 00:20:45.200 I think it's sometimes it takes a little time to 449 00:20:45.240 --> 00:20:47.680 get on the same page. Obviously it's later in the 450 00:20:47.720 --> 00:20:52.240 season now, but guys are finding their rhythm. Guys are performing, 451 00:20:52.599 --> 00:20:56.519 you know, better now. And you know, obviously Diego's having 452 00:20:56.799 --> 00:20:59.440 a highlight year and the confidence that kid has is 453 00:21:00.079 --> 00:21:04.160 matched and you know, hopefully you know this weekend and Charlotte, 454 00:21:04.000 --> 00:21:06.319 we get a three points to get back into that 455 00:21:06.359 --> 00:21:10.279 playoff position. But I see him every day their training sessions, 456 00:21:10.279 --> 00:21:12.359 and the guys are putting in the work, you know, 457 00:21:12.720 --> 00:21:14.720 as we're getting better, every every other team in this 458 00:21:14.799 --> 00:21:16.960 league's getting better too, So we just got to keep pushing. 459 00:21:17.319 --> 00:21:20.400 Tell me how it's been for you to witness this 460 00:21:20.720 --> 00:21:24.519 rise for Diego and as somebody who wants upon a 461 00:21:24.559 --> 00:21:27.000 time kind of had a similar rise, you know, through 462 00:21:27.079 --> 00:21:29.279 Gold Cup run and then you solidified a spot with 463 00:21:29.319 --> 00:21:31.200 the national team and you played in a World Cup, 464 00:21:31.640 --> 00:21:34.240 and you know, it's been fun to kind of watch 465 00:21:35.119 --> 00:21:38.279 people around the country notice what we've seen from him 466 00:21:38.279 --> 00:21:40.119 over the past couple of years. But what stands out 467 00:21:40.160 --> 00:21:42.200 most about the way he's risen up this year, NICKI. 468 00:21:43.160 --> 00:21:45.880 For me, he's got that dog mentality. He's out there fighting, 469 00:21:46.160 --> 00:21:48.400 he's said in the press, he's scoring goals, He's doing 470 00:21:48.440 --> 00:21:50.799 it on both sides of the ball on the pitch, 471 00:21:50.880 --> 00:21:53.680 and he's just he's a fan favorite. You could see 472 00:21:53.720 --> 00:21:56.480 you turn on social media or the TV, everybody's talking 473 00:21:56.480 --> 00:21:58.519 about the kid, and he's just doing it, going out 474 00:21:58.519 --> 00:22:00.200 there and doing what he's done for you know, for 475 00:22:00.240 --> 00:22:03.559 so so long, and uh just really proud of him. 476 00:22:03.920 --> 00:22:07.640 I'm glad he's getting the spotlight and it's it's just 477 00:22:07.759 --> 00:22:09.960 he's just really fun to watch. He's out there butting 478 00:22:10.039 --> 00:22:13.440 his butt every every single week, and I'm really looking 479 00:22:13.440 --> 00:22:14.799 forward to see what comes of it. 480 00:22:15.480 --> 00:22:17.279 I also wanted to get your thoughts on Gozo, a 481 00:22:17.319 --> 00:22:19.559 player who I knew nothing about prior to the start 482 00:22:19.599 --> 00:22:22.480 of the season, and I had Pablo on I think 483 00:22:22.480 --> 00:22:25.160 it was after the first goal that Gozo scored and 484 00:22:25.240 --> 00:22:27.599 before you actually talied a goal, he was dangerous for 485 00:22:27.640 --> 00:22:29.799 another through a number of games, and I said to Pablo, 486 00:22:29.839 --> 00:22:31.799 I'm like, I think he got something with his kid 487 00:22:32.319 --> 00:22:34.880 local which is always fun West Valley kid. He gets 488 00:22:34.880 --> 00:22:38.079 his third goal over the weekend. If he continues to work, 489 00:22:38.160 --> 00:22:41.119 stay healthy. What does he look like when he's fully formed? 490 00:22:41.119 --> 00:22:44.519 In your opinion, yeah, he's he's Listen. We had him 491 00:22:44.559 --> 00:22:48.160 last year with the Monarchs, did his time there, saw 492 00:22:48.200 --> 00:22:50.359 him in the you know how to note with the academy. 493 00:22:51.359 --> 00:22:53.880 Like you said, local kids, he always always root for them. 494 00:22:53.920 --> 00:22:57.119 But Gozo can stretch the defense. He could, he could 495 00:22:57.160 --> 00:22:59.319 run for days. He could he could start the press. 496 00:22:59.759 --> 00:23:02.559 Uh and he's always done that. Now seeing him doing 497 00:23:02.599 --> 00:23:05.640 that at the highest level is even more special for 498 00:23:05.680 --> 00:23:09.440 me to watch. And again he's bagging goals now, so 499 00:23:09.519 --> 00:23:12.599 his confidences continue to go up. He's a he's a 500 00:23:12.960 --> 00:23:15.519 he'll listen to the coach, he'll do his role. He's 501 00:23:15.559 --> 00:23:18.559 a great kid. So just rooting for the kid and 502 00:23:18.680 --> 00:23:21.359 and and happy to see him, you know, succeeded on 503 00:23:21.400 --> 00:23:21.759 the field. 504 00:23:22.079 --> 00:23:26.279 Have you had a chance to watch Roland Cruz? And 505 00:23:26.519 --> 00:23:28.799 I'm not sure where we're at with the Olatunji kid. 506 00:23:28.880 --> 00:23:30.960 I know they're working on his work visa. But two 507 00:23:31.000 --> 00:23:34.319 big time additions in the attack during the transfer window? 508 00:23:34.400 --> 00:23:36.519 Nick, what what sort of info can you share with us? 509 00:23:37.519 --> 00:23:37.599 No? 510 00:23:37.920 --> 00:23:39.839 Yeah, I haven't seen much of him just when he 511 00:23:39.880 --> 00:23:43.000 comes on into the game. Obviously hasn't started yet, but uh, 512 00:23:43.279 --> 00:23:47.319 he's a big presence up there. He's very technical and 513 00:23:47.359 --> 00:23:49.960 I think once he starts bagging some goals, like any forward, 514 00:23:50.000 --> 00:23:53.079 you'll get your confidence. And it takes time, right, you 515 00:23:53.119 --> 00:23:54.920 can't just expect you know players to come in and 516 00:23:55.160 --> 00:23:57.319 make it impact all the time. And it takes time 517 00:23:57.359 --> 00:24:00.519 to know your your teammates, to flow to flow, how play, 518 00:24:01.240 --> 00:24:03.319 get used to the league, who you're playing against. So 519 00:24:04.400 --> 00:24:07.559 you know, I'm excited about what I see in cruise. 520 00:24:07.920 --> 00:24:10.720 So ultimately, as a result of the loss over the 521 00:24:10.720 --> 00:24:14.720 weekends and some uh some games that didn't go RSL's way, 522 00:24:14.839 --> 00:24:17.519 the team is now back below the playoff line with 523 00:24:17.599 --> 00:24:20.279 a handful of games left. So if I ask, and 524 00:24:20.359 --> 00:24:22.799 I know you're RSL optimistic, I know you always look 525 00:24:22.839 --> 00:24:25.119 on the bright side. But if we can get these 526 00:24:25.160 --> 00:24:28.119 two strikers or these two attacking players kind of ingrained 527 00:24:28.119 --> 00:24:31.039 in what Pabla wants them to do, what's best case 528 00:24:31.119 --> 00:24:33.319 scenario for the rest of the season, how do you 529 00:24:33.319 --> 00:24:33.880 think you could look? 530 00:24:34.799 --> 00:24:36.480 Yeah, I think I think we're going to make the 531 00:24:36.480 --> 00:24:39.039 playoffs the way you know, Pablo has this team going 532 00:24:39.119 --> 00:24:42.400 right now and training and fighting. It was unlucky this 533 00:24:42.519 --> 00:24:44.920 this last game. Obviously one to three points there and 534 00:24:44.960 --> 00:24:46.920 it would have been great for us, But you just 535 00:24:46.920 --> 00:24:50.359 got to keep your head down, keep working. I'm very optimist, 536 00:24:50.599 --> 00:24:51.960 and I think I think we're going to be in 537 00:24:52.000 --> 00:24:53.640 the playoffs come come the end of the year and 538 00:24:53.880 --> 00:24:55.359 hopefully make a good run of the playoffs. 539 00:24:55.440 --> 00:24:57.680 All right, Nick, is today your pick a ball tournament? 540 00:24:57.799 --> 00:24:59.880 Is it the Rise pick a Ball Tournament? Is that today? 541 00:25:00.039 --> 00:25:00.240 Yes? 542 00:25:00.240 --> 00:25:04.519 It is second annual Rice Charity Classic, So, uh, pick 543 00:25:04.519 --> 00:25:08.680 a ball tournament today at Second Summit. Cider festivities and 544 00:25:08.720 --> 00:25:11.640 games start at five with the tournament starting at six. 545 00:25:12.240 --> 00:25:14.519 It's a huge day. We did it last year. We 546 00:25:14.599 --> 00:25:18.559 got a you know a lot of people that attended, 547 00:25:18.599 --> 00:25:20.720 a lot of you know, good words from from people, 548 00:25:20.759 --> 00:25:23.640 and we had to do it again. And yeah, this 549 00:25:24.039 --> 00:25:26.920 Rise at Rise Athletics Foundation. What we do is try 550 00:25:26.960 --> 00:25:29.079 to make soccer more accessible in our community. So everything 551 00:25:29.680 --> 00:25:32.880 raised here tonight and through the foundation, we put back 552 00:25:32.920 --> 00:25:35.440 into the community and just try to make soccer give 553 00:25:35.519 --> 00:25:39.359 soccer drawl. And Uh, today's a day. I've been stretching 554 00:25:39.680 --> 00:25:42.799 all day long, so I don't pull anything, and yeah, 555 00:25:42.839 --> 00:25:44.880 ready to make an impact on that court, all. 556 00:25:44.920 --> 00:25:45.960 Right, before I say you lose. 557 00:25:46.039 --> 00:25:48.160 Let's move over to a story that is kind of 558 00:25:48.160 --> 00:25:50.200 permeated throughout our community. I've seen it a lot on 559 00:25:50.240 --> 00:25:53.119 the news and social media. It is heart wrenching. 560 00:25:53.160 --> 00:25:53.359 Man. 561 00:25:53.599 --> 00:25:55.880 He's three years old, Carrie's three years old, and we're 562 00:25:55.880 --> 00:25:57.920 looking for a bone marrow transplant. 563 00:25:58.279 --> 00:25:59.720 So what do you want our listeners to know? 564 00:25:59.799 --> 00:25:59.960 Nick? 565 00:26:00.200 --> 00:26:00.640 Can they help? 566 00:26:00.880 --> 00:26:01.119 Yeah? 567 00:26:01.200 --> 00:26:04.160 Yeah, no, we caught hold of this story and we're gonna, 568 00:26:04.480 --> 00:26:07.519 you know, have a table there at second sum Insider. 569 00:26:07.640 --> 00:26:09.480 Carrie is a three and a half year old member 570 00:26:09.519 --> 00:26:12.480 of our community. He was diagnosed with a rare, aggressive 571 00:26:12.480 --> 00:26:17.480 brain disorder called sleebro ald. He is in urgent need 572 00:26:17.480 --> 00:26:20.680 of a bone marrow transplant due to this aggressive nature 573 00:26:20.720 --> 00:26:23.240 of the disease. We need to find a donor match 574 00:26:23.240 --> 00:26:26.039 for Kirie in a short period of time, so we 575 00:26:26.079 --> 00:26:29.400 all have kits available tonight at the pick a Ball tournament. 576 00:26:30.039 --> 00:26:33.319 The test is just a quick and easy swab of 577 00:26:33.319 --> 00:26:36.279 the cheek. We are looking for potential matches between the 578 00:26:36.279 --> 00:26:39.039 age of eighteen and forty years old. If you have 579 00:26:39.200 --> 00:26:42.759 either Asian or Italian heritage, the possibility of being a 580 00:26:42.799 --> 00:26:45.599 match increases, So if you are, please come out and 581 00:26:45.599 --> 00:26:48.839 get swabbed. Time is of the essence, and at this 582 00:26:48.880 --> 00:26:51.160 point it's a numbers game, so please come out, pick 583 00:26:51.240 --> 00:26:54.799 up a swab and find let's find a match for Kirie. 584 00:26:55.480 --> 00:26:58.160 It goes without saying that this cost, the cost of 585 00:26:58.160 --> 00:27:03.480 medical care is and will continue to be significant. Medical 586 00:27:03.519 --> 00:27:06.480 bills are already piling up. The family has set up 587 00:27:06.480 --> 00:27:10.880 a golf fundmeed for Kirie's care. So if you're if 588 00:27:10.920 --> 00:27:13.119 you are multiple ways to get there are multiple ways 589 00:27:13.160 --> 00:27:15.079 to get involved and show up for this young boy 590 00:27:15.079 --> 00:27:17.400 and his family who are already going through so much. 591 00:27:17.440 --> 00:27:20.559 So again, if if you have the time, if you 592 00:27:20.559 --> 00:27:23.839 haven't already, if you're the between the ages of eighteen 593 00:27:23.960 --> 00:27:27.920 and forty, please come out get swabbed, come out to 594 00:27:27.960 --> 00:27:31.440 the event. There'll be some great raffle prizes and some 595 00:27:31.519 --> 00:27:34.279 fun times there. But more importantly, I think we want 596 00:27:34.279 --> 00:27:35.559 to find this kid cure. 597 00:27:35.960 --> 00:27:39.680 More information and links to the GoFundMe and Carrie's journey 598 00:27:39.720 --> 00:27:42.480 can be found at the website Hope for Kiri dot org. Nick, 599 00:27:42.519 --> 00:27:44.440 thanks for the time, buddy, and have a great event tonight. 600 00:27:44.480 --> 00:27:46.880 Okay, I appreciate it. Thank you since. 601 00:27:46.960 --> 00:27:49.480 Okay again Hope for Kirie dot org. You may have 602 00:27:49.599 --> 00:27:53.160 seen this story circulating on social media. A bunch of 603 00:27:53.200 --> 00:27:56.720 our local news outlets have covered it as well. Beautiful 604 00:27:56.720 --> 00:27:58.400 little kid man, he's three and a half years old. 605 00:27:58.440 --> 00:28:00.960 You bought up this website and say your heart string 606 00:28:01.039 --> 00:28:04.079 so you can head to the website Hope for Kiri 607 00:28:04.240 --> 00:28:07.079 dot org and there are links for the GoFundMe that 608 00:28:07.119 --> 00:28:09.640 you can donate. You can join the donor registry and 609 00:28:09.680 --> 00:28:12.920 then they have locations where you can go get swabbed 610 00:28:12.960 --> 00:28:15.559 to see if you're a match and as Nikki just said, 611 00:28:15.559 --> 00:28:17.559 at his pickleball tournament, and I would encourage you to 612 00:28:17.599 --> 00:28:19.920 go to Nick's socials just his name at Nick Romando 613 00:28:20.000 --> 00:28:24.720 on Instagram or Twitter probably TikTok. He has the information 614 00:28:24.920 --> 00:28:27.920 about the pickleball event tonight that you can go attend 615 00:28:28.079 --> 00:28:30.680 and you can enter to win some raffle prizes. 616 00:28:30.720 --> 00:28:31.799 You can play some pickleball. 617 00:28:32.279 --> 00:28:34.319 And while you're there, if you're between the ages of 618 00:28:34.359 --> 00:28:36.839 eighteen and forty, just take a couple of minutes, get 619 00:28:36.839 --> 00:28:39.079 swabbed and maybe you can save this kid's life. 620 00:28:39.519 --> 00:28:41.039 I mean, three and a half years old man. 621 00:28:41.119 --> 00:28:44.039 So hope for Kiri dot org and let's bring in 622 00:28:44.200 --> 00:28:46.279 Tony now to tell us more about this Tony, how 623 00:28:46.279 --> 00:28:46.720 are you, sir? 624 00:28:47.680 --> 00:28:49.160 Hey spend some great her are you? Man? Thanks for 625 00:28:49.240 --> 00:28:49.559 having me. 626 00:28:49.599 --> 00:28:52.359 I'm really I'm good man, and my heart's aching as 627 00:28:52.400 --> 00:28:54.559 I'm looking at these pictures of this young man three 628 00:28:54.640 --> 00:28:56.920 and a half years old. I can't even imagine. So 629 00:28:57.400 --> 00:28:59.880 tell us about this journey, Tony. What's what's this been 630 00:29:00.240 --> 00:29:01.359 for you? And how can we help? 631 00:29:02.440 --> 00:29:06.759 Yeah? So, Kiri has been diagnosed with cerebral ald It's 632 00:29:06.799 --> 00:29:11.000 a manifestation of his original diagnosis of adreno leukodystrophe or 633 00:29:11.119 --> 00:29:15.119 ALD for short. It was discovered in his newborn screening 634 00:29:15.839 --> 00:29:19.519 and since then he goes to biannual checkups and imaging 635 00:29:19.559 --> 00:29:22.079 to make sure that the disease hasn't progressed to this 636 00:29:22.200 --> 00:29:25.359 cerebral ALD. On July twenty third, we went to one 637 00:29:25.359 --> 00:29:29.119 of his routine MRI images and unfortunately, later that day 638 00:29:29.160 --> 00:29:31.799 we got the worst news that they found that they 639 00:29:31.839 --> 00:29:35.599 believed to be cerebral ALD in his brain stem. So 640 00:29:35.640 --> 00:29:38.359 we had a consultation with his doctors that following Tuesday, 641 00:29:38.400 --> 00:29:41.480 and they told us this planned forward which entails a 642 00:29:41.480 --> 00:29:44.440 bone marrow transplant, which I know you and Nick Ramonda 643 00:29:44.480 --> 00:29:48.039 were just talking about. So Kiri is his mom is 644 00:29:48.079 --> 00:29:51.160 Kim Bodian, and I am of European descent, So we're 645 00:29:51.200 --> 00:29:54.000 having kind of a challenging time finding a match for him. 646 00:29:54.480 --> 00:29:56.880 These bone marrow industries are kind of only in like 647 00:29:57.000 --> 00:30:01.599 developed countries. So Kiri's his two siblings were in a match, 648 00:30:01.599 --> 00:30:03.720 and after your siblings are in a match, the best 649 00:30:03.799 --> 00:30:06.319 chance you have for finding a viable match is a 650 00:30:06.440 --> 00:30:09.400 random stranger somewhere in the world. So we've made this 651 00:30:09.480 --> 00:30:12.640 huge push to find a donor and their community response 652 00:30:12.720 --> 00:30:16.480 has just been incredible, the support. The donor registry only 653 00:30:16.480 --> 00:30:19.359 had about three thousand people before we started making this push, 654 00:30:19.720 --> 00:30:21.839 and as of this morning, they've had eight thousand new 655 00:30:21.880 --> 00:30:25.079 members join just in Carrie's name alone, as well as 656 00:30:25.359 --> 00:30:29.279 everybody else who joins through their own avenue. So the 657 00:30:29.359 --> 00:30:31.279 support has just been incredible. Krie is going to go 658 00:30:31.279 --> 00:30:33.039 in for his bone marrow transplant in the first part 659 00:30:33.039 --> 00:30:38.200 of September. Carrie's mom, Jasmine, called and asked for an 660 00:30:38.279 --> 00:30:41.759 update last week and they were still looking for a 661 00:30:42.720 --> 00:30:46.480 bone marrow transplant. And it's kind of a long process. 662 00:30:46.599 --> 00:30:48.440 There's a lot of reasons that you can get ruled out, 663 00:30:49.000 --> 00:30:52.559 and it's also time sensitive. So that's why it's really 664 00:30:52.640 --> 00:30:55.000 beneficial to have multiple options and why we're making such 665 00:30:55.000 --> 00:30:58.640 a big push to find multiple viable options for Kirie. 666 00:30:58.720 --> 00:31:02.319 Well tony of things and including the many things I 667 00:31:02.359 --> 00:31:04.599 am as a father. So my heart goes out to you. 668 00:31:05.279 --> 00:31:08.440 How you doing, man, how's the family doing throughout this process? 669 00:31:09.240 --> 00:31:12.200 We're you know, we're doing really well. We've, like I mentioned, 670 00:31:12.240 --> 00:31:14.240 the support from the community and the love that we feel. 671 00:31:14.279 --> 00:31:17.519 I mean, there's total strangers out there running events to 672 00:31:17.559 --> 00:31:20.640 get swabs for Kirie. It's just been been so powerful 673 00:31:20.680 --> 00:31:23.519 and so impactful for us, and you know, we're doing good. 674 00:31:24.880 --> 00:31:27.119 We told our kids that Kirie is going to go 675 00:31:27.119 --> 00:31:30.000 to the hospital for a while, and you know, he's 676 00:31:30.079 --> 00:31:32.640 just such a sweet kid. His first concern was, am 677 00:31:32.640 --> 00:31:34.559 I going to get my siblings sick? He wanted to 678 00:31:34.599 --> 00:31:36.319 know if he's gonna his little brother and his older 679 00:31:36.359 --> 00:31:40.160 sister sick. And then his sister's response was, you know, well, 680 00:31:40.160 --> 00:31:42.039 we have to bring him stuffed animals and blankets and 681 00:31:42.039 --> 00:31:43.480 I don't want him to be alone up there, and 682 00:31:43.519 --> 00:31:46.359 it just, you know, it was really special. They're really close. 683 00:31:46.400 --> 00:31:48.480 But we're hanging in there, and you know, we have 684 00:31:48.559 --> 00:31:50.880 all the supportant love from our community, so I'm sure 685 00:31:50.920 --> 00:31:52.400 we'll be just fine. 686 00:31:52.519 --> 00:31:53.279 How's Mom doing. 687 00:31:54.279 --> 00:31:57.839 She's doing good. She's a doer. Her and her family 688 00:31:57.880 --> 00:32:01.440 have just been amazing to the second to process everything. 689 00:32:01.480 --> 00:32:04.480 But they jumped right into action, and this huge campaign 690 00:32:04.559 --> 00:32:08.559 is it is a result of them, so really lucky. 691 00:32:08.759 --> 00:32:12.240 So we've got Nicky's pickleball tournament tonight and there will 692 00:32:12.279 --> 00:32:14.880 be kits there where people can go get swat. 693 00:32:14.960 --> 00:32:15.559 Is that true? 694 00:32:16.240 --> 00:32:18.079 Yep, that's correct. We'll have a table set up. We 695 00:32:18.079 --> 00:32:19.920 have about one hundred and fifty kits. I'll be there 696 00:32:19.920 --> 00:32:23.599 with a couple more voluntcreacious volunteers, and we have a 697 00:32:23.640 --> 00:32:28.519 pre registration. If you text six one four seven four, 698 00:32:28.720 --> 00:32:31.839 that's six four seven four is the text Hope for 699 00:32:32.000 --> 00:32:34.720 Kiri to that you can actually get sent the pre 700 00:32:34.839 --> 00:32:37.839 registration screening so you'll know if you're eligible. Save you 701 00:32:37.880 --> 00:32:39.799 some time to come down. But we'd love to see 702 00:32:39.799 --> 00:32:43.559 you come down. Support Rise Athletics in the community, and yeah, 703 00:32:43.599 --> 00:32:45.079 we'd love to see you guys, regardless of if you're 704 00:32:45.079 --> 00:32:45.680 eligible or not. 705 00:32:45.880 --> 00:32:48.519 Hey, Hope for Kirie dot org is the website. There's 706 00:32:48.559 --> 00:32:50.759 a link to the go fundme, and there's a link 707 00:32:50.799 --> 00:32:53.799 to join the Donna registry. So let me ask you this, 708 00:32:53.839 --> 00:32:56.359 twenty four listeners that can't make it to Nicky's event tonight, 709 00:32:56.519 --> 00:32:58.960 are there other locations they can go to? Is the 710 00:32:59.000 --> 00:33:01.279 website the best place to go to get more information? 711 00:33:01.920 --> 00:33:02.559 Go ahead? 712 00:33:02.680 --> 00:33:05.720 Yeah, thank you for the reminder. The website that hopefkiri 713 00:33:05.839 --> 00:33:07.720 dot org has all of the links for the Bone 714 00:33:07.759 --> 00:33:09.960 Mirror registry, to go fund me, all of that stuff, 715 00:33:10.440 --> 00:33:12.160 and it has a list of all of the amazing 716 00:33:12.240 --> 00:33:15.079 businesses that have graciously signed up to have test kits. 717 00:33:15.400 --> 00:33:18.559 We update that every night at like seven pm. So 718 00:33:18.599 --> 00:33:20.559 what you see on there right now is the most 719 00:33:20.599 --> 00:33:23.039 up to date information that we have about who still 720 00:33:23.079 --> 00:33:25.880 has kits. And then there should be a couple more 721 00:33:25.880 --> 00:33:28.440 of these events that we promote through Hope for Kiri 722 00:33:28.559 --> 00:33:32.799 on Instagram and all of those other social media's as well. 723 00:33:32.839 --> 00:33:35.319 All right, Tony, Well, we'll continue to push this out, man, 724 00:33:35.440 --> 00:33:37.559 and if you need anything from us, you just got 725 00:33:37.599 --> 00:33:38.079 to reach out. 726 00:33:38.200 --> 00:33:39.319 This is the important stuff. 727 00:33:39.319 --> 00:33:41.720 We talk about football and basketball and soccer, but this 728 00:33:41.839 --> 00:33:45.000 is the important stuff. And you know, if we can 729 00:33:45.039 --> 00:33:47.279 do anything to help you out and rally the community, 730 00:33:47.279 --> 00:33:48.000 please reach out. 731 00:33:48.039 --> 00:33:49.640 Best of luck and my heart goes out to you 732 00:33:49.680 --> 00:33:50.319 and that little boy. 733 00:33:50.359 --> 00:33:52.920 Okay, thank you very much, Bence, thanks so much for 734 00:33:52.960 --> 00:33:54.079 the time. I really appreciate it. 735 00:33:54.079 --> 00:33:54.480 You got it. 736 00:33:54.519 --> 00:33:56.799 So the website again is Hope for Kirie dot org. 737 00:33:56.880 --> 00:33:59.920 Nick Romando's charity pickleball tournament. Tonight, we'll have a bunch 738 00:33:59.960 --> 00:34:02.119 of kits. They're present for you guys to go get 739 00:34:02.119 --> 00:34:06.160 swab looking potentially between the ages of eighteen and forty 740 00:34:06.640 --> 00:34:10.960 and as a result of the nature of both the 741 00:34:11.000 --> 00:34:13.800 backgrounds of the mother and the father. If you have 742 00:34:13.920 --> 00:34:17.599 Italian or Asian blood, you're more likely to be a match. Unfortunately, 743 00:34:17.639 --> 00:34:20.519 Carrie's two siblings were not a match for him. He 744 00:34:20.599 --> 00:34:22.239 is three and a half years old. And this is 745 00:34:22.280 --> 00:34:25.199 heartbreaking because they're running out of time. That's what it 746 00:34:25.199 --> 00:34:29.519 comes down to. It's cerebral or cerebral ald devastating, an 747 00:34:29.559 --> 00:34:32.800 aggressive brain disease, and we're looking to find a bone 748 00:34:32.840 --> 00:34:35.719 marrow donor in a match to try to save this 749 00:34:35.800 --> 00:34:36.360 kid's life. 750 00:34:36.400 --> 00:34:38.800 So they're running out of time. And again, Hope for 751 00:34:38.920 --> 00:34:39.800 Carrie dot org. 752 00:34:40.320 --> 00:34:43.800 Nick Romondo's pickleball tournament tonight and as Tony just referenced, 753 00:34:43.800 --> 00:34:49.199 Tony is is is Carrie's father? Text right now six 754 00:34:49.440 --> 00:34:52.519 one four seven four. Text Hope for Carrie to six 755 00:34:52.639 --> 00:34:55.360 one four seven four and they will text you a 756 00:34:55.440 --> 00:34:59.119 pre screening just kind of something you have to fill 757 00:34:59.159 --> 00:35:01.840 out before you actually screen, like a pre screening document 758 00:35:01.840 --> 00:35:03.119 that you fill out before you head over to the 759 00:35:03.159 --> 00:35:06.679 pickleball tournament. On the website Hope for Kirie dot org, 760 00:35:06.760 --> 00:35:09.480 there are links to the go fundme page, there's links 761 00:35:09.480 --> 00:35:12.239 to the donor registry and how you can get involved, 762 00:35:12.280 --> 00:35:15.599 and there's also information about where the new kids have 763 00:35:15.760 --> 00:35:18.119 arrived at several locations. So if you can't make it 764 00:35:18.119 --> 00:35:21.280 to the next pickleball tournament tonight, on the website Hope 765 00:35:21.280 --> 00:35:23.800 for Kirie dot Org are other locations where if you 766 00:35:23.880 --> 00:35:26.400 just have a few spare minutes today go see if 767 00:35:26.400 --> 00:35:28.000 you can save a life. Let's see if we can 768 00:35:28.039 --> 00:35:29.760 give this kid a bone marrow transplant so we can 769 00:35:29.840 --> 00:35:34.239 watch him grow as opposed to the other possibility at 770 00:35:34.239 --> 00:35:35.639 the age of three and a half, which I don't 771 00:35:35.639 --> 00:35:37.199 really even want to wrap my mind around. 772 00:35:37.719 --> 00:35:39.039 All Right, we'll catch you quick break. 773 00:35:39.199 --> 00:35:41.960 We're gonna bring Amy Donaldson, our friend from KSL Live 774 00:35:42.000 --> 00:35:42.880 in Studio today. 775 00:35:43.559 --> 00:35:45.320 Brett Siancia picked six previews. 776 00:35:45.360 --> 00:35:47.599 Slide's gonna join us today, steven S and Sylvester, so 777 00:35:47.599 --> 00:35:49.440 we have a lot of college football for you guys 778 00:35:49.480 --> 00:35:51.800 later on. It is the Drive on a Monday, and 779 00:35:51.800 --> 00:35:54.320 it's good to have you along for the Red all 780 00:35:54.400 --> 00:35:57.920 Right Show, Rolling along today, Join Live in Studio once again. Bye, 781 00:35:57.920 --> 00:36:00.360 my good friend Melissa from Soundsleep Metical Less. 782 00:36:00.400 --> 00:36:01.480 How are you doing great? 783 00:36:01.679 --> 00:36:04.000 Great to see you as always, so I can speak 784 00:36:04.039 --> 00:36:06.800 personally to what it's like to have trouble sleeping let's 785 00:36:06.800 --> 00:36:09.599 start with the adverse effects on one's health if they're 786 00:36:09.639 --> 00:36:11.719 not sleeping well and sleeping consistently. 787 00:36:12.039 --> 00:36:15.119 Okay, you know you've got to sleep well. If you're not, 788 00:36:15.599 --> 00:36:17.840 then obviously you're going to be tired the next day. 789 00:36:18.400 --> 00:36:21.559 But also there's lots of long term side effects to 790 00:36:21.599 --> 00:36:26.119 not sleeping well, things like anxiety, depression, confusion where you're 791 00:36:26.159 --> 00:36:28.519 just not you don't feel like you can think as clearly, 792 00:36:28.880 --> 00:36:32.519 but also stuff like high blood pressure, high blood sugar levels, 793 00:36:32.639 --> 00:36:35.480 and even more serious stuff down the road like dementia 794 00:36:35.559 --> 00:36:36.000 and stroke. 795 00:36:36.440 --> 00:36:39.320 So you guys have an oral appliance, and I remember 796 00:36:39.360 --> 00:36:40.519 the first time you showed it is me. I was 797 00:36:40.559 --> 00:36:42.840 blown away because it's just so small and convenient. It's 798 00:36:42.840 --> 00:36:45.360 not a seapath. 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Brett 832 00:38:17.000 --> 00:38:19.679 Sancia Pick six Previews will join us. 833 00:38:20.280 --> 00:38:22.639 Want to remind you if you miss last segment. 834 00:38:22.719 --> 00:38:25.679 Nick Romondo joined us, and then Tony joined us and 835 00:38:25.719 --> 00:38:29.079 Tony's three and a half year old son, Kiri, needs 836 00:38:29.119 --> 00:38:32.320 a bone marrow transplant and we are looking for a match. 837 00:38:32.880 --> 00:38:36.920 So Nick Romondo has a charity pickleball tournament today and 838 00:38:36.960 --> 00:38:38.880 I want to let you know. It's at Second Summit 839 00:38:39.000 --> 00:38:42.760 Hard Cider, which is at forty ten South Main Street 840 00:38:42.760 --> 00:38:44.960 in Mill Creek, and they've got about one hundred and 841 00:38:45.000 --> 00:38:47.239 fifty kits where you can go get just a quick 842 00:38:47.320 --> 00:38:50.000 mouse swab. It takes just a couple of minutes. If 843 00:38:50.039 --> 00:38:52.800 you have some time today, please head down there. We 844 00:38:52.840 --> 00:38:54.639 do not have a match for Currey yet and time 845 00:38:54.679 --> 00:38:57.679 is running out. If you are planning on heading down there, 846 00:38:57.719 --> 00:38:59.920 you can text Hope for Kiri to six one four 847 00:39:00.000 --> 00:39:02.639 We're seven for and they'll send you kind of the 848 00:39:02.679 --> 00:39:05.239 document that you need to fill out prior to getting screened. 849 00:39:05.679 --> 00:39:07.760 If you're not available to head down there today. The 850 00:39:07.800 --> 00:39:10.119 website has hoped for Kirie dot org with a link 851 00:39:10.159 --> 00:39:13.320 to their GoFundMe and link to join the donor registry, 852 00:39:13.360 --> 00:39:15.679 and then information about new kits when they arrive at 853 00:39:15.719 --> 00:39:18.360 other locations. So we're gonna push this as hard as 854 00:39:18.400 --> 00:39:20.199 we can. Let's save this kid's life. He's three and 855 00:39:20.199 --> 00:39:23.519 a half years old. Cerebral ald It's a devastating and 856 00:39:23.519 --> 00:39:24.760 aggressive brain disease. 857 00:39:25.519 --> 00:39:27.159 So between the ages of eighteen. 858 00:39:26.880 --> 00:39:28.920 And forty, you're more likely to be a matchined if 859 00:39:28.920 --> 00:39:32.079 you have Italian or Asian heritage as a result of 860 00:39:32.559 --> 00:39:36.239 the lineage of Carrie's parents. So again, Nicky's pick Aball 861 00:39:36.239 --> 00:39:38.480 tournament starts in about an hour and forty five minutes 862 00:39:38.519 --> 00:39:42.199 at Second sum at Hartsider at forty ten South Main 863 00:39:42.239 --> 00:39:45.920 Street in Mill Creek. Live in studio today our friend 864 00:39:46.000 --> 00:39:48.079 Amy Donaldson, which always makes me smile. 865 00:39:48.119 --> 00:39:49.719 Hello, Amy, how are you hello? 866 00:39:49.840 --> 00:39:51.920 I actually ooh gosh, I don't know if that's my hell? 867 00:39:52.400 --> 00:39:54.800 If I'm coming in you can control your ears? You 868 00:39:54.880 --> 00:39:55.440 sound good to me? 869 00:39:56.039 --> 00:39:57.400 All right, good, I won't worry about it. 870 00:39:57.480 --> 00:39:57.599 Then. 871 00:39:58.000 --> 00:40:01.159 I actually am was a registered a donor, a bone 872 00:40:01.199 --> 00:40:04.840 marrow donor for many years. Okay, I am unfortunately over 873 00:40:04.920 --> 00:40:07.480 forty at this point, I am chairly barely right. 874 00:40:07.760 --> 00:40:09.800 I have been aged out, and I have no Italian 875 00:40:09.920 --> 00:40:13.719 or Asian heritage. I'm like full Scottish, little English and 876 00:40:13.760 --> 00:40:16.000 a little Scandinavian blood on my mother's side. Nobody gives 877 00:40:16.000 --> 00:40:17.800 a rip about my you know, twenty three and me, 878 00:40:17.920 --> 00:40:19.280 But that's that's kind of my ideal. 879 00:40:19.280 --> 00:40:20.360 How you been, It's good to see it. 880 00:40:20.440 --> 00:40:23.599 Yeah, I've been good. I have also been sending that 881 00:40:23.639 --> 00:40:25.840 message out. I hope we find and I hope we 882 00:40:26.039 --> 00:40:28.519 register a ton of donors. Yeah, for sure, because I 883 00:40:28.599 --> 00:40:30.719 had got registered because my best friend from high schools 884 00:40:30.719 --> 00:40:33.559 son got leukemia and needed a bone marrow transplant, and 885 00:40:33.599 --> 00:40:36.280 so he just asked everybody to get registered and I 886 00:40:36.360 --> 00:40:37.920 was hoping I would just was a match for him. 887 00:40:37.960 --> 00:40:39.639 I was not. He found a donor. 888 00:40:39.400 --> 00:40:42.880 Through this registry, okay, and it saves lives, and it's 889 00:40:43.039 --> 00:40:45.519 really I had never was lucky enough to be able 890 00:40:45.559 --> 00:40:48.079 to donate, but I have no people who have and 891 00:40:48.679 --> 00:40:52.079 friends who have, and it's for a healthy person. It 892 00:40:52.159 --> 00:40:55.679 is no problem, and yeah, it's an amazing thing to 893 00:40:55.679 --> 00:40:56.239 be able to do. 894 00:40:56.599 --> 00:40:58.480 Yeah, three and a half years old. I'll just keep 895 00:40:58.519 --> 00:41:02.239 pushing the website. Hope for carried. He's got two siblings. 896 00:41:02.320 --> 00:41:05.719 Neither were a match unfortunately, and times running out. We 897 00:41:05.760 --> 00:41:07.559 had his dad on last segment and you could just 898 00:41:07.599 --> 00:41:09.760 hear like the emotion in his voice. You and I 899 00:41:09.760 --> 00:41:12.639 are both parents. This is this is something no parents 900 00:41:12.639 --> 00:41:13.400 should ever go through. 901 00:41:13.480 --> 00:41:13.559 No. 902 00:41:13.679 --> 00:41:16.599 And if you've had I know you yourself have had, 903 00:41:17.000 --> 00:41:17.880 you know face that. 904 00:41:19.360 --> 00:41:21.239 It could be deadly situation. 905 00:41:21.840 --> 00:41:23.840 I had a kid who had open our surgery twice, 906 00:41:24.000 --> 00:41:26.039 once at eleven months and once at fifteen years old, 907 00:41:26.039 --> 00:41:27.239 and probably will have to have it again. 908 00:41:27.760 --> 00:41:30.679 And it is, I think the worst thing. 909 00:41:30.719 --> 00:41:33.760 Because you like to think you could handle anything, you 910 00:41:33.800 --> 00:41:36.880 can do anything, you'll do anything, but there's it just 911 00:41:36.960 --> 00:41:39.480 reduces you to like, oh you you really have no 912 00:41:39.599 --> 00:41:42.400 power here, you have nothing. You can just love and so, 913 00:41:42.599 --> 00:41:44.559 like I said, hopefully his efforts will help a lot 914 00:41:44.599 --> 00:41:48.119 of kids, but also his And yeah, please go get 915 00:41:48.119 --> 00:41:49.400 registered at the time. 916 00:41:49.519 --> 00:41:53.000 It's it's not hard for sure, and you can play pickleball. 917 00:41:53.039 --> 00:41:53.760 My god, there you go. 918 00:41:54.079 --> 00:41:55.559 I was really I was like, I'm going to play 919 00:41:55.559 --> 00:41:57.440 in the pickleball tournament because I love pickleball so. 920 00:41:57.480 --> 00:41:59.400 Much, but I have to work. 921 00:41:59.559 --> 00:42:00.559 Well, we'll get you out of here. 922 00:42:00.559 --> 00:42:02.159 And I just came out of my basement to talk. 923 00:42:02.000 --> 00:42:03.280 To you, though, oh, did you really well? 924 00:42:03.599 --> 00:42:04.559 I've been writing all day. 925 00:42:04.840 --> 00:42:06.920 So Hope for Kirie dot orgon again. If you can 926 00:42:06.960 --> 00:42:09.519 head to Nikki's Pickaball tournament. Text Hope for Kirie right 927 00:42:09.559 --> 00:42:11.320 now to six one four seven four, and they're going 928 00:42:11.360 --> 00:42:13.960 to send you the documentation you need to fill out. 929 00:42:14.239 --> 00:42:14.360 Uh. 930 00:42:14.480 --> 00:42:16.920 To just get swapped takes a couple of minutes forty 931 00:42:16.960 --> 00:42:19.440 ten South Main Street and Mill Creek starts at about 932 00:42:19.480 --> 00:42:20.199 four forty five. 933 00:42:20.679 --> 00:42:23.000 What are you working on? What's the latest with you? 934 00:42:23.440 --> 00:42:23.840 Working on? 935 00:42:24.039 --> 00:42:26.079 So many? I have so many little you know, plate 936 00:42:26.119 --> 00:42:29.000 spinning and know how that is, you know me never 937 00:42:29.039 --> 00:42:31.039 just one thing. But right now I am working on 938 00:42:31.079 --> 00:42:35.679 a podcast that will be launching probably February to April 939 00:42:35.719 --> 00:42:38.280 of next year. Okay, I can't talk about it yet, 940 00:42:38.320 --> 00:42:40.280 but probably close the next couple of months. But it's 941 00:42:40.280 --> 00:42:44.280 a sports related but yeah, it's a sports related podcast, 942 00:42:44.320 --> 00:42:46.960 which I didn't plan on doing. I actually had a 943 00:42:46.960 --> 00:42:49.599 different podcast that I had been working on, and this 944 00:42:49.599 --> 00:42:51.239 one had kind of been on the back burner, you 945 00:42:51.239 --> 00:42:53.360 know how that is, just always having this idea and 946 00:42:53.400 --> 00:42:55.039 it's sort of bubbled up to the top. So that's 947 00:42:55.079 --> 00:42:57.639 what I've been working on, and it's consuming a lot 948 00:42:57.679 --> 00:43:00.119 of time. I'm also I've been working on a book. 949 00:43:00.159 --> 00:43:02.840 So I went to a writer's conference a few weeks ago, 950 00:43:02.960 --> 00:43:08.320 and I have writing coach who's checking in with me now? 951 00:43:08.320 --> 00:43:08.559 And there? 952 00:43:08.559 --> 00:43:09.719 Do you have a writing coach? 953 00:43:09.960 --> 00:43:10.119 Oh? 954 00:43:10.239 --> 00:43:10.480 I have? 955 00:43:10.679 --> 00:43:13.840 My husband jokes about this, I go to more writing 956 00:43:14.119 --> 00:43:17.119 classes and conferences. He's like, you'd think you don't know 957 00:43:17.119 --> 00:43:20.280 how to write, but no, it's it does help. 958 00:43:20.280 --> 00:43:21.159 Does it really like you don't? 959 00:43:21.239 --> 00:43:23.559 Yeah, and they know things or they've come at it 960 00:43:23.559 --> 00:43:26.599 from a different perspective. I mean the people think that 961 00:43:26.639 --> 00:43:28.360 because you write for newspaper, you know how to write 962 00:43:28.360 --> 00:43:31.719 writing for newspaper and then switching to podcast completely different game. 963 00:43:32.159 --> 00:43:35.440 I questioned my decision every day for two years. 964 00:43:35.880 --> 00:43:36.480 Why did you. 965 00:43:36.400 --> 00:43:38.119 Give up something you were good at for something that 966 00:43:38.159 --> 00:43:40.719 you suck at? Now I finally feel like I'm like 967 00:43:40.719 --> 00:43:42.400 in first grade of podcast writing. 968 00:43:42.519 --> 00:43:44.079 Don't suck at it. Let's be clear. 969 00:43:44.719 --> 00:43:47.679 I don't think you didn't made those first drafts. I 970 00:43:47.679 --> 00:43:49.639 should send you. I should send you a Blooper rail. 971 00:43:49.639 --> 00:43:53.400 You would enjoy it. Actually, porter would enjoy it. But yeah, 972 00:43:53.679 --> 00:43:55.800 it's tough. I mean it's a different kind of writing completely, 973 00:43:55.840 --> 00:43:58.119 and so just for fun, I took a screenwriting class 974 00:43:58.159 --> 00:44:00.840 in the spring and it really like just made me 975 00:44:01.079 --> 00:44:02.639 kind of reinvigorate it with fun. 976 00:44:02.679 --> 00:44:03.480 I mean, this is the thing. 977 00:44:03.639 --> 00:44:06.440 When you write every day in one form or another, 978 00:44:06.760 --> 00:44:08.760 it's hard to like then say I'm gonna go have 979 00:44:08.800 --> 00:44:11.480 some fun and write some more because you're tired. It's 980 00:44:11.679 --> 00:44:14.400 writing is like it's a little piece of your soul 981 00:44:14.480 --> 00:44:17.679 goes out into the thing. And yeah, so I love it. 982 00:44:17.719 --> 00:44:20.719 I'm doing my column again for a KSEL Sports Soka. 983 00:44:20.840 --> 00:44:22.800 My first column last week. It's going to be run 984 00:44:22.800 --> 00:44:25.840 on Wednesdays. So I'm happy to be doing that again 985 00:44:25.840 --> 00:44:28.880 because I love I have missed covering daily sports. I'm 986 00:44:28.880 --> 00:44:30.599 not going to be doing daily sports, but I'm going 987 00:44:30.639 --> 00:44:33.480 to be writing about some of the issues and players. 988 00:44:33.519 --> 00:44:36.480 And have I asked for ideas and I have been. 989 00:44:36.880 --> 00:44:38.159 I think I have one hundred ideas. 990 00:44:38.199 --> 00:44:38.360 Ok. 991 00:44:38.719 --> 00:44:41.400 I still ask for them because I mean, I think 992 00:44:41.400 --> 00:44:43.079 if we find a donor through this, I would love 993 00:44:43.119 --> 00:44:45.719 to talk to whoever ends up being a match, or 994 00:44:46.079 --> 00:44:48.800 if somebody else finds a match because they shared their story. 995 00:44:49.280 --> 00:44:51.840 I just remember, this is why we share stories, right, 996 00:44:51.880 --> 00:44:53.519 This is why we do it to connect. We do 997 00:44:53.559 --> 00:44:56.320 it to help each other. And remind us that none 998 00:44:56.320 --> 00:44:57.559 of us are in this game along. 999 00:44:57.920 --> 00:45:01.519 What is your well said? What's your first cassel column? 1000 00:45:01.800 --> 00:45:02.320 Is it? 1001 00:45:02.320 --> 00:45:02.679 It was on? 1002 00:45:02.880 --> 00:45:05.039 It was on the Former Brothers new gym, oh Nice 1003 00:45:05.159 --> 00:45:07.599 and I actually submitted it a couple of months ago, 1004 00:45:07.719 --> 00:45:11.480 but there was some maternity leave for someone else involved 1005 00:45:11.480 --> 00:45:14.679 in and some I was working on something else. So 1006 00:45:14.800 --> 00:45:17.880 we finally got it done. But there's still time to 1007 00:45:17.920 --> 00:45:20.760 donate to the gym. And for sure, it's always timeless 1008 00:45:20.960 --> 00:45:24.239 from what the former family has done for this state, 1009 00:45:24.480 --> 00:45:27.519 and not just in boxing, giving kids a sense of community, 1010 00:45:27.559 --> 00:45:30.360 giving them a place to go. The young men that 1011 00:45:30.400 --> 00:45:32.599 I found. His mom is a recovering addict. She've been 1012 00:45:32.599 --> 00:45:35.360 cleaned for a year when I met them. Saved their lives. 1013 00:45:35.360 --> 00:45:37.559 They don't have a dad in their lives. They have 1014 00:45:37.679 --> 00:45:40.119 all these amazing male role models and they get to 1015 00:45:40.159 --> 00:45:42.280 He gets to go every day for free. Kids go 1016 00:45:42.360 --> 00:45:46.760 and they can box for free. They learn discipline, how 1017 00:45:46.760 --> 00:45:50.880 to take care of one another, the value of competition 1018 00:45:51.159 --> 00:45:54.519 and good sportsmanship. Right, there's so many things and now 1019 00:45:54.599 --> 00:45:56.679 and they have a study facility there. I don't know 1020 00:45:56.679 --> 00:45:57.559 if you've been out there yet. 1021 00:45:57.599 --> 00:45:59.079 Yeah, I was there for the opener we did my 1022 00:45:59.079 --> 00:45:59.679 show out there. 1023 00:45:59.760 --> 00:46:01.360 Yeah, yeah, I think I was out in the morning 1024 00:46:01.360 --> 00:46:04.679 when they did they so, yeah, it's deluxe. I mean 1025 00:46:04.719 --> 00:46:09.840 I was so happy because I love the. 1026 00:46:08.559 --> 00:46:09.840 The fact that there's a support. 1027 00:46:10.039 --> 00:46:13.159 Like I've combat sports have always been a safety net 1028 00:46:13.320 --> 00:46:17.079 for a lot of people living on the margins of society. 1029 00:46:17.639 --> 00:46:20.119 But now there's a safety net there that's going to 1030 00:46:20.159 --> 00:46:22.280 give them more options even if they don't make it 1031 00:46:22.360 --> 00:46:27.000 in boxing. They have community, they have study skills, they 1032 00:46:27.000 --> 00:46:29.320 have help with their homework, they have food to eat, 1033 00:46:29.760 --> 00:46:32.440 there are a lot there's they have access to athletic trainers. 1034 00:46:32.880 --> 00:46:35.760 They're just so much support there, and it's a beautiful 1035 00:46:35.800 --> 00:46:38.480 building to boot But yeah, I love it. And the 1036 00:46:38.960 --> 00:46:40.440 if you have if you don't know anything about the 1037 00:46:40.480 --> 00:46:43.280 history of boxing in Utah, all that stuff you used 1038 00:46:43.280 --> 00:46:46.360 to be in Don and Jane Fulmer's basements and probably 1039 00:46:46.440 --> 00:46:51.960 Jay's garage and now it's like this amazing museum and yeah, 1040 00:46:52.000 --> 00:46:53.679 it just makes you like, oh, there's a lot here 1041 00:46:53.679 --> 00:46:55.719 in the state that I don't know anything about, and 1042 00:46:56.559 --> 00:46:57.679 it makes you super proud. 1043 00:46:57.719 --> 00:46:59.159 Well, and you're not going to meet a sweeter guy 1044 00:46:59.199 --> 00:47:00.000 than Larry Fomer. 1045 00:47:00.239 --> 00:47:02.920 No, I mean, just like maybe one of his brothers. 1046 00:47:02.960 --> 00:47:05.119 Well, okay, fair enough, but he's one of those guys 1047 00:47:05.159 --> 00:47:08.320 where every time, whether whether he's in studio or I've 1048 00:47:08.320 --> 00:47:10.480 been out on remote, he just puts you in a 1049 00:47:10.480 --> 00:47:10.840 good mood. 1050 00:47:11.039 --> 00:47:12.599 You just feel happy around Larry. 1051 00:47:12.719 --> 00:47:14.840 And I should say in a couple of weeks they 1052 00:47:14.840 --> 00:47:17.079 have an outdoor boxing match coming up. So they poured 1053 00:47:17.079 --> 00:47:20.280 this cement slab on the property that I believe they 1054 00:47:20.920 --> 00:47:23.400 they I don't they rent or lease, but for like 1055 00:47:23.440 --> 00:47:26.559 a ten bucks or a bucket year or something from 1056 00:47:26.559 --> 00:47:30.360 the county and it they're gonna have outdoor boxing matches. 1057 00:47:30.400 --> 00:47:31.599 But they used to back in the day. 1058 00:47:31.679 --> 00:47:32.159 That's awesome. 1059 00:47:32.280 --> 00:47:34.000 But instead of Chicken coop, they're going to be in 1060 00:47:34.000 --> 00:47:37.159 this amazing venue and there we be real restrooms in 1061 00:47:37.199 --> 00:47:38.480 case you're on the fence. 1062 00:47:39.079 --> 00:47:40.199 That's always my requirement. 1063 00:47:40.239 --> 00:47:41.320 Yeah, got it. 1064 00:47:41.519 --> 00:47:43.159 Is there a place to go to the bathroom? I'm down? 1065 00:47:43.239 --> 00:47:43.920 And is there food? 1066 00:47:44.320 --> 00:47:46.840 You know? You know me, food is maybe more important 1067 00:47:46.840 --> 00:47:47.880 than the restroom. 1068 00:47:47.559 --> 00:47:48.880 And porter how long? 1069 00:47:48.920 --> 00:47:52.639 So Deontay Wilder was there, Yeah, and he sat down 1070 00:47:53.400 --> 00:47:56.000 and I didn't know what to expect. We probably did 1071 00:47:56.000 --> 00:47:58.360 a forty five minute segment with him, didn't we. I mean, 1072 00:47:58.400 --> 00:47:59.960 he just yacks poetic forever. 1073 00:48:00.239 --> 00:48:00.719 Yeah, it was. 1074 00:48:00.800 --> 00:48:03.280 It was a good long it was. 1075 00:48:03.519 --> 00:48:06.800 It was most of our radio hour, which yeah, about 1076 00:48:06.840 --> 00:48:07.400 forty forty one. 1077 00:48:07.440 --> 00:48:07.760 I miss it. 1078 00:48:07.760 --> 00:48:09.119 I'm'n have to go back and list him because he 1079 00:48:09.199 --> 00:48:10.440 was wonderful with those kids. 1080 00:48:10.480 --> 00:48:13.840 People need to know Porter's magic with the clock based 1081 00:48:13.880 --> 00:48:16.360 off of my lack of clock integrity. 1082 00:48:16.639 --> 00:48:18.639 I think we call it time blame with ADHD. 1083 00:48:18.800 --> 00:48:20.400 Yeah, and that's that's really what it is like. 1084 00:48:21.079 --> 00:48:23.400 So I've always In fact, it's interesting because you brought 1085 00:48:23.480 --> 00:48:26.480 up the podcasting dynamic. You know, for two years, I 1086 00:48:26.519 --> 00:48:28.519 was not doing this job. I just did podcasts only 1087 00:48:28.559 --> 00:48:31.360 for two years. And when you have that experience, I 1088 00:48:31.400 --> 00:48:33.760 was about, oh, we're turning six this week. This show 1089 00:48:33.840 --> 00:48:36.239 is six years old this week, which is pretty pretty interesting. 1090 00:48:36.719 --> 00:48:39.360 It both seems like it was yesterday and forever ago. 1091 00:48:39.480 --> 00:48:41.320 I don't really know how to you know, time is 1092 00:48:41.320 --> 00:48:44.000 such a mental construct, but during my two years of 1093 00:48:44.039 --> 00:48:48.400 podcasts only, you just see the movement of this attention 1094 00:48:48.559 --> 00:48:53.719 economy moving digitally and online. So when I first took 1095 00:48:53.760 --> 00:48:55.880 this job, I told Cavon, I said, I want to 1096 00:48:55.920 --> 00:48:59.599 try to make live radio sound podcasting. I said, what 1097 00:48:59.599 --> 00:49:02.440 that means is I'm blowing through my clock all the time. Like, 1098 00:49:02.519 --> 00:49:05.559 if I have a conversation that's going well, I want. 1099 00:49:05.800 --> 00:49:07.960 And one of my favorite pieces of feedback I get 1100 00:49:08.119 --> 00:49:09.840 is if somebody sends me a message like, hey, I 1101 00:49:09.840 --> 00:49:13.679 was running errands and you had Deontay Wilder on and 1102 00:49:13.760 --> 00:49:15.760 I sat in the Harmon's parking lot and I listen 1103 00:49:15.800 --> 00:49:16.679 to you for forty five minutes. 1104 00:49:16.800 --> 00:49:17.079 Done it. 1105 00:49:17.159 --> 00:49:18.280 That's the coolest thing, you know. 1106 00:49:19.039 --> 00:49:21.119 Or I've been coming home or and I've been I 1107 00:49:21.159 --> 00:49:21.960 have to hear the end of this. 1108 00:49:22.079 --> 00:49:22.280 Yeah. 1109 00:49:22.320 --> 00:49:24.320 Yeah, And it's not like you can't go you can't 1110 00:49:24.360 --> 00:49:26.559 listen to it on podcasts later, sure, but you're in 1111 00:49:26.599 --> 00:49:29.159 the moment and there's an energy and an emotion to it, 1112 00:49:29.239 --> 00:49:31.079 right one hundred percent. But I'm I'm gonna have to 1113 00:49:31.119 --> 00:49:32.119 look that one up because I mess. 1114 00:49:32.400 --> 00:49:33.079 I don't remember why. 1115 00:49:33.639 --> 00:49:33.880 I think. 1116 00:49:34.000 --> 00:49:35.519 I think Larry told me you were there, but I 1117 00:49:35.519 --> 00:49:36.719 had that was crazy. 1118 00:49:36.800 --> 00:49:39.679 Yeah it was great, but but it it And yes, 1119 00:49:39.920 --> 00:49:42.679 like part of my approach is thinking about the person 1120 00:49:43.400 --> 00:49:47.079 who couldn't hear the interview live, who gets home from 1121 00:49:47.119 --> 00:49:49.239 work and pulls up the podcast page and says, wait, 1122 00:49:49.280 --> 00:49:51.960 forty five minutes with a world championship boxer. I'm going 1123 00:49:52.000 --> 00:49:54.800 to listen to that, but in real time, it just 1124 00:49:54.880 --> 00:49:57.079 it makes my man in there spend different plates on 1125 00:49:57.119 --> 00:49:59.199 his head when he's got to deal with my you know, wait, 1126 00:49:59.239 --> 00:50:01.519 you're supposed to go to break here, but I just 1127 00:50:01.559 --> 00:50:02.280 approach it differently. 1128 00:50:02.360 --> 00:50:02.880 You see how. 1129 00:50:02.880 --> 00:50:05.559 People pay the bills. But that's I actually would love 1130 00:50:05.599 --> 00:50:07.480 to see us figure this out. Actually talk to one 1131 00:50:07.519 --> 00:50:11.760 of your sales managers about this. How do you make 1132 00:50:11.880 --> 00:50:16.000 this less transactional? Like I you give advertisers, give us, 1133 00:50:16.039 --> 00:50:19.280 give you money, and then you give a product. Right, 1134 00:50:19.360 --> 00:50:22.199 and the listeners are the the people you're trying to 1135 00:50:22.199 --> 00:50:22.760 sell stuff to. 1136 00:50:22.920 --> 00:50:25.199 Right, what if it was all we are all trying 1137 00:50:25.199 --> 00:50:25.920 to do the same thing. 1138 00:50:25.960 --> 00:50:28.639 We're trying to create this community and we all benefit 1139 00:50:28.679 --> 00:50:31.480 from it. So the advertisers that support your show, that 1140 00:50:31.639 --> 00:50:33.559 listeners support them because they're not going to have as 1141 00:50:33.599 --> 00:50:35.239 many ads, they're not going to have as many bricks, 1142 00:50:35.239 --> 00:50:38.639 but they but they support those advertisers because they're supporting 1143 00:50:38.679 --> 00:50:42.239 this unusual you know, a format that. 1144 00:50:42.239 --> 00:50:44.960 To me is like, oh, let's figure let's try that. 1145 00:50:44.960 --> 00:50:47.320 That would be super fun to try, but it's hard 1146 00:50:47.320 --> 00:50:49.559 to get sales to go along with it because they're like, 1147 00:50:49.559 --> 00:50:51.719 but we've got this many ads and da da da da, 1148 00:50:51.760 --> 00:50:54.679 because that's what advertisers are sure will work. Yeah, and 1149 00:50:54.760 --> 00:50:57.639 I just say like, let's just try it a little bit. 1150 00:50:57.719 --> 00:51:00.239 And podcasting is a great place to try it, yeah, 1151 00:51:00.320 --> 00:51:02.880 because there's you know, it's such a I feel like 1152 00:51:02.920 --> 00:51:07.840 it's a creative you could say chaotic universe, or you 1153 00:51:07.840 --> 00:51:10.960 could say a rap show whatever, but it's a place 1154 00:51:11.000 --> 00:51:13.719 you can try stuff. And so we're with radio. As 1155 00:51:13.719 --> 00:51:15.760 you know, there is a way of doing it. We've 1156 00:51:15.760 --> 00:51:17.400 always done it this way. We're not going to change 1157 00:51:17.400 --> 00:51:18.960 our minds, Amy, So don't come in here with your 1158 00:51:19.000 --> 00:51:19.800 new fingled idea. 1159 00:51:19.920 --> 00:51:20.679 Yeah. 1160 00:51:20.840 --> 00:51:23.559 Well it's and you know, for years and years and years, 1161 00:51:23.599 --> 00:51:26.440 I would hear this thing from sales staff or you know, 1162 00:51:26.599 --> 00:51:30.599 front office folk up in you know, the upper tier offices, 1163 00:51:30.639 --> 00:51:33.079 like we need more time spend listening TSL. They always 1164 00:51:33.119 --> 00:51:35.519 say that, so we need to turn If somebody's listening 1165 00:51:35.559 --> 00:51:37.239 to your show for seven minutes of time, how do 1166 00:51:37.280 --> 00:51:39.840 we turn that into twenty? And like my whole thing 1167 00:51:39.880 --> 00:51:41.440 is like, okay, well we don't go to break if 1168 00:51:41.440 --> 00:51:43.519 something is compelling, that's how we do it. And then 1169 00:51:43.559 --> 00:51:45.119 we try to convince them to sit in their car 1170 00:51:45.159 --> 00:51:46.480 and listen to a good conversation. 1171 00:51:46.679 --> 00:51:49.159 The easiest way, and this is what I I because 1172 00:51:49.320 --> 00:51:52.480 I do narrative podcasting, so I tell a story over episodes. 1173 00:51:52.760 --> 00:51:54.960 And the easiest way to lose people I listen to 1174 00:51:55.039 --> 00:51:58.159 narrative podcasts I make them is to interrupt and try 1175 00:51:58.199 --> 00:52:00.480 to sell me something because it reminds me that I'm 1176 00:52:00.519 --> 00:52:01.440 not part of the story. 1177 00:52:01.599 --> 00:52:02.639 Right, all the work. 1178 00:52:02.559 --> 00:52:04.840 That is, it's dropped in random this. 1179 00:52:04.840 --> 00:52:06.280 Universe and all of a sudden, now you want to 1180 00:52:06.280 --> 00:52:09.280 talk about tires. No, no, right, well let's go back 1181 00:52:09.320 --> 00:52:12.360 to talking about how did you find belief in yourself 1182 00:52:12.800 --> 00:52:14.800 to become a world champion? How did you envision that 1183 00:52:15.119 --> 00:52:17.559 when nobody around you had that kind of success from them? 1184 00:52:17.639 --> 00:52:17.800 Right? 1185 00:52:17.840 --> 00:52:20.440 Like, that's the thing, that's the conversation you want to 1186 00:52:20.440 --> 00:52:22.280 be involved in. And if you tell me at the 1187 00:52:22.360 --> 00:52:26.079 very beginning, hey, this company makes this possible. As you 1188 00:52:26.280 --> 00:52:28.440 and I see this a lot in outdoor community. We 1189 00:52:28.559 --> 00:52:31.559 will support a company that doesn't do ads on our 1190 00:52:31.599 --> 00:52:34.519 shirt because we want a shirt that we can wear 1191 00:52:34.559 --> 00:52:36.360 wherever we want. We will looks like a billboard, right, 1192 00:52:36.719 --> 00:52:38.760 But it takes some level of trust. 1193 00:52:39.000 --> 00:52:41.760 Yeah, yeah, so of all of because we had a 1194 00:52:42.719 --> 00:52:45.800 mad Dog on Chris Russo, who was kind of the first. 1195 00:52:46.559 --> 00:52:48.800 He and Mike Frances did Mike and the Mad Dog 1196 00:52:48.840 --> 00:52:51.079 when I was a teenager in the Northeast, and it 1197 00:52:51.159 --> 00:52:53.719 was the first like sports talk radio show. 1198 00:52:54.519 --> 00:52:54.639 Uh. 1199 00:52:54.840 --> 00:52:56.960 And it was you know, those two going back and forth. 1200 00:52:57.280 --> 00:53:00.559 And in a way they are real pioneers like you. 1201 00:53:00.599 --> 00:53:01.480 Hear a lot of like. 1202 00:53:01.440 --> 00:53:01.960 The steven A. 1203 00:53:02.000 --> 00:53:04.719 Smiths get Bayless getting the credit for this Embrace debate. 1204 00:53:04.760 --> 00:53:06.920 It was Mike and the Mad Dog before anybody else. 1205 00:53:07.679 --> 00:53:09.800 And we had Dog on the show like a month ago, 1206 00:53:09.920 --> 00:53:14.840 and he said, every live radio host can be a podcaster. 1207 00:53:15.639 --> 00:53:17.719 Ten percent of podcasters can do live radio. 1208 00:53:18.239 --> 00:53:19.239 That's what I believe that. 1209 00:53:20.000 --> 00:53:20.559 But what's your. 1210 00:53:20.480 --> 00:53:23.039 Experience been, because I wanted to ask you, like, you've 1211 00:53:23.039 --> 00:53:26.079 done live radio, you've done podcasting, and you write a 1212 00:53:26.119 --> 00:53:29.119 lot's what's the biggest energetic ask of the things. 1213 00:53:28.880 --> 00:53:29.559 That you've done. 1214 00:53:29.719 --> 00:53:30.880 What do you mean energetic ask? 1215 00:53:30.960 --> 00:53:33.639 Like you referenced earlier, when I write something leads my body. 1216 00:53:33.679 --> 00:53:35.239 And when I'm done with the show, every day I 1217 00:53:35.280 --> 00:53:37.039 go home and I sit in my backyard for like 1218 00:53:37.079 --> 00:53:38.960 thirty minutes, and I want to talk to anybody. I'm 1219 00:53:39.000 --> 00:53:42.000 just sitting there, like you know, like the energetic ask 1220 00:53:42.039 --> 00:53:44.360 of doing this for four hours every day is a 1221 00:53:44.400 --> 00:53:47.119 different ass than it is for podcasting because we have 1222 00:53:47.280 --> 00:53:50.039 a clock. As I reference, I blow through it. But 1223 00:53:50.880 --> 00:53:53.400 there's no like hey pause take two, like we are 1224 00:53:53.440 --> 00:53:56.199 live right now. This is a live micro I think. 1225 00:53:56.239 --> 00:53:56.960 So they're different. 1226 00:53:57.039 --> 00:53:59.840 So live radio to me, and I did twelve years 1227 00:54:00.239 --> 00:54:02.480 sports talk radio, and I mostly did high school stuff, 1228 00:54:02.480 --> 00:54:04.960 but then filling in every time I did a four 1229 00:54:04.960 --> 00:54:08.639 hour show versus my two hour show, I was reminded 1230 00:54:08.679 --> 00:54:09.599 a how. 1231 00:54:09.559 --> 00:54:10.400 Much more. 1232 00:54:12.159 --> 00:54:15.480 You know, preparation goes into it than you hear in 1233 00:54:15.519 --> 00:54:17.880 a two hour or a four hour show, right you 1234 00:54:17.960 --> 00:54:20.679 double or triple it, right, Like It's it's crazy how 1235 00:54:20.760 --> 00:54:22.559 much more you have to prepare to do a couple 1236 00:54:22.559 --> 00:54:25.159 of hours of live radio. The other thing is you 1237 00:54:25.199 --> 00:54:29.119 can't be I'm me, like, I don't have an alter ego. 1238 00:54:30.159 --> 00:54:33.400 And when you do live radio, no one wants sad you, 1239 00:54:33.719 --> 00:54:34.800 nobody wants anger you. 1240 00:54:34.960 --> 00:54:37.639 They want they want this happy. 1241 00:54:37.880 --> 00:54:40.719 Give me information, make me feel better about life, tell 1242 00:54:40.719 --> 00:54:43.400 me some stuff about the world, right and and you 1243 00:54:43.599 --> 00:54:45.760 like and I see that. I actually it's one of 1244 00:54:45.800 --> 00:54:49.000 the things I love about your show is and you 1245 00:54:49.360 --> 00:54:52.280 is that there is a dynamic of where like, okay, 1246 00:54:52.320 --> 00:54:55.400 that we're not going to be just happy. Sports is fun, right, 1247 00:54:55.480 --> 00:54:57.800 Like we're gonna we're gonna be real at times. But 1248 00:54:57.920 --> 00:55:00.840 I think for the most part, radio radio, live radio 1249 00:55:01.079 --> 00:55:06.599 is a persona that for me, I find incredibly difficult 1250 00:55:06.840 --> 00:55:10.719 to maintain. I can't be this thing you need all 1251 00:55:10.760 --> 00:55:13.000 the time. It's like it's like putting on a good 1252 00:55:13.039 --> 00:55:15.199 face for your kids or something when you're pee oed. 1253 00:55:15.280 --> 00:55:16.920 You know, we've all been like in a fight with 1254 00:55:16.920 --> 00:55:18.360 our spouse and we have to go to a party 1255 00:55:18.400 --> 00:55:20.559 and pretend we like each other. Like that's what I 1256 00:55:20.599 --> 00:55:23.280 feel like. Live radio is like whatever you're feeling. 1257 00:55:23.639 --> 00:55:23.880 You know. 1258 00:55:24.079 --> 00:55:25.599 Taylor Swift has a song you can do It with 1259 00:55:25.639 --> 00:55:28.199 a broken Heart, and Jason Kelsey talked about that, like 1260 00:55:28.280 --> 00:55:29.719 so many times you have to sit down in front 1261 00:55:29.719 --> 00:55:31.800 of a microphone after you lose a game and you 1262 00:55:31.840 --> 00:55:34.199 want to punch everybody in the face, and you have 1263 00:55:34.280 --> 00:55:35.800 to sit there and try to be a good sport 1264 00:55:35.880 --> 00:55:38.719 and talk nice and be happy and not say what 1265 00:55:38.840 --> 00:55:41.000 kind of freaking dumb question is that? Because there's a 1266 00:55:41.000 --> 00:55:43.480 lot of dumb questions in those parts, yes, meeting right. 1267 00:55:43.599 --> 00:55:46.239 So to me, live radio is exhausting because of the 1268 00:55:46.280 --> 00:55:50.119 masking aspect, and so that's I'll put that aside. End 1269 00:55:50.119 --> 00:55:52.480 the amount of preparation that nobody, everybody think should just 1270 00:55:52.559 --> 00:55:54.639 go on and just shoot the crap, right, So there's 1271 00:55:54.639 --> 00:55:56.800 no respect for the amount of work it takes. And 1272 00:55:56.840 --> 00:55:59.360 a lot of people who don't work can make it 1273 00:55:59.400 --> 00:56:02.519 in this business and we're all in the same boat. 1274 00:56:02.960 --> 00:56:06.400 That is very problematic for me, and I don't like 1275 00:56:06.440 --> 00:56:08.679 that because I'm a fair Everything has to be fair. 1276 00:56:08.840 --> 00:56:12.679 So then podcasting for me is different because I do 1277 00:56:12.800 --> 00:56:18.559 narrative podcasting and it's years of thinking and researching and 1278 00:56:19.519 --> 00:56:22.719 doing all kinds of interviews and reading all kinds of books. 1279 00:56:22.920 --> 00:56:25.559 The one I'm writing for next year is I've read 1280 00:56:25.599 --> 00:56:29.880 at least six books on this subject. And you have 1281 00:56:29.920 --> 00:56:34.639 to immerse yourself in a story in a way that is. 1282 00:56:36.280 --> 00:56:37.360 It can be traumatic. 1283 00:56:37.440 --> 00:56:40.039 I mean I feel like sometimes you can, especially with 1284 00:56:40.039 --> 00:56:42.920 a true crime podcast, you can engage, you can feel 1285 00:56:42.960 --> 00:56:45.880 some secondary trauma or it triggers your own trauma your 1286 00:56:45.920 --> 00:56:48.320 own life, right, And so there's that aspect of it. 1287 00:56:48.360 --> 00:56:52.679 And writing for me is an absolutely participatory sport. It 1288 00:56:52.719 --> 00:56:56.000 is not. I know people who I remember talking to 1289 00:56:56.039 --> 00:56:59.000 another journalist about this way will not name who said, Stot, 1290 00:56:59.159 --> 00:57:01.199 you just need to put a put a wall up 1291 00:57:01.199 --> 00:57:04.039 between your emotions and the thing you're covering. And I 1292 00:57:04.079 --> 00:57:07.440 was like, I don't know how to do that, right, right. 1293 00:57:07.239 --> 00:57:08.800 That's a thing about you, though I'm glad. 1294 00:57:08.920 --> 00:57:11.079 Well, I mean, I think it's it, but it makes 1295 00:57:11.079 --> 00:57:13.360 it harder to do a dish what they call it, 1296 00:57:13.400 --> 00:57:16.079 a quick and dirty sure, right, So that's why I 1297 00:57:16.079 --> 00:57:18.719 didn't like quick and dirty. I was like, I'll do 1298 00:57:18.800 --> 00:57:21.679 the cancer story because I can get into that, I 1299 00:57:21.679 --> 00:57:24.039 can feel that, and I will be tired and sad 1300 00:57:24.119 --> 00:57:25.760 and like you say, you don't want to talk to 1301 00:57:25.800 --> 00:57:28.599 anybody after, but I'll feel like I did something of value. 1302 00:57:28.920 --> 00:57:31.760 And for me, the reason to write anything or do 1303 00:57:31.840 --> 00:57:34.760 any of this is that you do something to educate people, 1304 00:57:34.800 --> 00:57:37.800 to inspire people, or help them figure out a problem. 1305 00:57:37.840 --> 00:57:39.960 We can talk through a problem or an issue that's 1306 00:57:40.079 --> 00:57:42.079 that we face as a group. So and then as 1307 00:57:42.119 --> 00:57:45.320 far as newspaper writing or you know, my writing, I 1308 00:57:45.320 --> 00:57:48.000 do on my own book that I'm writing, it is 1309 00:57:48.480 --> 00:57:51.400 the single most difficult thing I've ever done. And part 1310 00:57:51.440 --> 00:57:54.559 of that is you're as a journalist and a person's 1311 00:57:54.599 --> 00:57:56.440 kind of you, you've kind of lived half in the 1312 00:57:56.480 --> 00:57:58.360 public eye and half out right, you have to kind 1313 00:57:58.360 --> 00:58:00.920 of two lives. I've kind of I've not done that. 1314 00:58:00.960 --> 00:58:02.880 I've kind of just let my life be my life. 1315 00:58:03.159 --> 00:58:06.320 But in going through the book that I'm writing, it's 1316 00:58:06.360 --> 00:58:08.119 a lot of parts that I haven't even shared with 1317 00:58:08.159 --> 00:58:10.840 my closest friends. Right, So some people know about it, 1318 00:58:10.840 --> 00:58:13.519 some people don't. But it's a book about grief and 1319 00:58:13.519 --> 00:58:15.639 about losing my stepdaughter and taking care of my grandmother 1320 00:58:15.719 --> 00:58:16.599 until she passed away. 1321 00:58:16.960 --> 00:58:17.920 And so I. 1322 00:58:20.400 --> 00:58:23.159 Once wrote about being a victim of domestic violence and 1323 00:58:23.199 --> 00:58:26.639 a column, And if you haven't had that experience, you're 1324 00:58:26.639 --> 00:58:28.360 not going to understand what I'm going to say. But 1325 00:58:28.400 --> 00:58:32.880 it was the most humiliating thing that I ever experienced 1326 00:58:32.920 --> 00:58:35.719 as a professional journalist to have my boss call me 1327 00:58:35.760 --> 00:58:37.960 and say two things. That's the best thing we've ever 1328 00:58:38.000 --> 00:58:40.400 run in the paper, which is supposed to be a compliment, right, 1329 00:58:40.519 --> 00:58:43.199 And the second one was, I can't believe that you 1330 00:58:43.199 --> 00:58:45.360 were a victim of I can't believe our amy was 1331 00:58:45.400 --> 00:58:47.719 a victim of set. I can't believe that, which is 1332 00:58:47.760 --> 00:58:52.360 like completely reinforcing all the shame stigma, right, So I 1333 00:58:52.519 --> 00:58:56.000 know sharing stuff like that it's good and we should 1334 00:58:56.000 --> 00:58:58.440 do it. And I know the cost now because I've 1335 00:58:58.480 --> 00:58:59.960 done it and I've asked other people to do it, 1336 00:59:00.480 --> 00:59:02.599 and so that part of it, like writing, that is 1337 00:59:02.719 --> 00:59:05.639 very difficult. But it's also I always say, the work 1338 00:59:05.679 --> 00:59:10.320 is the medicine, and sometimes medicine sucks, baby, But I'm 1339 00:59:10.360 --> 00:59:12.440 willing to do it because it's the only way I 1340 00:59:12.480 --> 00:59:16.039 know how to live. So that's the which one's more 1341 00:59:16.039 --> 00:59:21.519 emotionally exhausting in the short term. This live radio people 1342 00:59:21.840 --> 00:59:25.199 and everybody is a critic, I mean, and in live radio, 1343 00:59:25.320 --> 00:59:27.159 you get it right. I mean, I was a sub 1344 00:59:27.239 --> 00:59:29.480 and at X ninety six one morning and I'm watching 1345 00:59:29.519 --> 00:59:32.480 the text line and they told me, don't watch it. 1346 00:59:32.519 --> 00:59:33.119 I can't help it. 1347 00:59:33.159 --> 00:59:35.280 I do it at KSL two and I was like 1348 00:59:35.880 --> 00:59:39.480 responding to people who are criticizing me or saying why 1349 00:59:39.480 --> 00:59:42.840 am I wearing what I have on? And they're like, stop, 1350 00:59:42.920 --> 00:59:47.440 stop doing that. But for me, that's my old newspaper thing. 1351 00:59:47.519 --> 00:59:49.880 Like I remember when I wrote a column about Max 1352 00:59:49.920 --> 00:59:52.400 Hall when he had said the crappy stuff about you 1353 00:59:52.440 --> 00:59:57.199 utab and I got five hundred emails within twenty four 1354 00:59:57.239 --> 01:00:01.760 hours and there's no way I'm responding at five hundred emails. Yeah, 1355 01:00:02.360 --> 01:00:04.400 I read most of them. My colleague is pretty much 1356 01:00:04.440 --> 01:00:06.159 at all. I just let them have my email because 1357 01:00:06.199 --> 01:00:08.159 they were stunned at what people would say to a 1358 01:00:08.159 --> 01:00:08.840 woman journalist. 1359 01:00:08.960 --> 01:00:11.480 Right, it was an education for all of us. 1360 01:00:11.599 --> 01:00:14.280 Yeah, but I remember responding to a lot of those 1361 01:00:14.320 --> 01:00:16.039 that people were like, why are you responding to that? 1362 01:00:16.199 --> 01:00:18.400 Because here's the thing. The minute you respond to people, 1363 01:00:19.079 --> 01:00:22.800 they become themselves again. They come back into their body, whatever, 1364 01:00:23.119 --> 01:00:25.480 whatever tick them off, whatever sent them out where they 1365 01:00:25.480 --> 01:00:28.000 could say something nasty to you. Then they come back 1366 01:00:28.039 --> 01:00:30.519 and they go, oh wait, that went to a real person, 1367 01:00:31.159 --> 01:00:33.400 and that real person has thoughts, and now I have 1368 01:00:33.519 --> 01:00:36.360 to defend this really creepy thing that I said. 1369 01:00:37.320 --> 01:00:38.000 I don't do that. 1370 01:00:38.039 --> 01:00:41.159 When people threaten violence, I just those people just get blocked. 1371 01:00:41.719 --> 01:00:44.920 But the people who I think, this guy's not a 1372 01:00:44.960 --> 01:00:47.599 bad person. He has a wife and children. I'm gonna 1373 01:00:47.599 --> 01:00:49.719 do his kids a favor, and I'm going to give 1374 01:00:49.760 --> 01:00:52.440 them a little bit of insight into what he said 1375 01:00:52.480 --> 01:00:53.519 and why that's a problem. 1376 01:00:53.559 --> 01:00:54.920 And it does disarm people. 1377 01:00:55.159 --> 01:00:58.199 I mean, I don't look, I'd never had the tech 1378 01:00:58.199 --> 01:00:58.880 sign fold up. 1379 01:00:58.960 --> 01:01:02.280 We don't take phone calls. I am really never on 1380 01:01:02.320 --> 01:01:03.039 social media. 1381 01:01:04.199 --> 01:01:06.719 My approach to the whole thing has changed a lot 1382 01:01:06.880 --> 01:01:09.119 over the path, like I would say. 1383 01:01:09.000 --> 01:01:09.840 Doing this show. 1384 01:01:10.400 --> 01:01:12.599 And also I need to give Gordon Monson some credit 1385 01:01:12.719 --> 01:01:15.000 for kind of changing my approach during the final few 1386 01:01:15.039 --> 01:01:19.559 years of our show together, because I'll occasionally stumble upon 1387 01:01:19.920 --> 01:01:22.360 a show I did a number of years ago. If 1388 01:01:22.360 --> 01:01:24.760 I have it, I have a few interviews that I liked, 1389 01:01:24.840 --> 01:01:29.320 saved or whatever, and I'm like, you took yourself so seriously, 1390 01:01:29.400 --> 01:01:31.159 Like when I was young in this business, I'm like 1391 01:01:31.320 --> 01:01:33.440 chip on my shoulder, I'm going to prove to. 1392 01:01:33.400 --> 01:01:34.360 Everybody I belong. 1393 01:01:35.400 --> 01:01:37.440 I know what the narrative is around who my father 1394 01:01:37.559 --> 01:01:39.039 is and why I'm where I'm at. So I'm going 1395 01:01:39.079 --> 01:01:40.800 to be better than everybody else, and I'm going to 1396 01:01:40.880 --> 01:01:42.639 be a lot better than everybody else. So you know 1397 01:01:42.719 --> 01:01:46.039 that I deserve to be here, and I just let 1398 01:01:46.119 --> 01:01:49.119 all that go. And I don't take myself near a seriously. 1399 01:01:49.320 --> 01:01:51.920 And I want to use this platform to help people 1400 01:01:52.000 --> 01:01:54.239 and you know, have fun, and it should be fun. 1401 01:01:54.280 --> 01:01:55.599 This is the toy isle of life. 1402 01:01:55.599 --> 01:01:58.360 But at the same time, it's such a great conduit 1403 01:01:58.400 --> 01:02:01.639 to make a difference if you just don't take yourself 1404 01:02:01.679 --> 01:02:04.119 in the craft as seriously as I think most people do. 1405 01:02:04.280 --> 01:02:06.360 What you felt about your parent, who your dad is, 1406 01:02:06.800 --> 01:02:08.840 I felt that about being a woman. Sure, I'm like, 1407 01:02:08.880 --> 01:02:10.800 I'm gonna be better, I'm gonna work harder, I'm going 1408 01:02:10.880 --> 01:02:12.039 to do everything you ask me. 1409 01:02:12.079 --> 01:02:12.639 I'm gonna do it. 1410 01:02:12.679 --> 01:02:14.719 I'm gonna do eighteen times more than you asked me, 1411 01:02:14.920 --> 01:02:16.559 because then you're gonna love me. Then I'm gonna be 1412 01:02:16.559 --> 01:02:19.000 in the fraternity. And guess what you're not. You're never 1413 01:02:19.079 --> 01:02:21.199 it's not there's always going to be somebody saying you're 1414 01:02:21.239 --> 01:02:23.119 only here because you're a woman, or you don't know 1415 01:02:23.119 --> 01:02:25.079 what you're talking about because you're a woman, Like that's 1416 01:02:25.079 --> 01:02:27.199 always going to happen, same as it's always going to happen. 1417 01:02:27.320 --> 01:02:29.320 I had somebody say to me when I had your 1418 01:02:29.360 --> 01:02:32.079 dad on my podcast and we did a bonus episode 1419 01:02:32.079 --> 01:02:34.840 with your dad, which was amazing, and I had a 1420 01:02:35.960 --> 01:02:38.679 business person say to me that was amazing, that was 1421 01:02:38.679 --> 01:02:42.360 like how to be successful in business? That one and 1422 01:02:42.400 --> 01:02:45.639 the one with Jason christ like love the bonus e great. 1423 01:02:45.800 --> 01:02:50.199 They were bonus episodes. And then literally the same day 1424 01:02:50.280 --> 01:02:53.639 I got an email from somebody who said, so, did 1425 01:02:53.679 --> 01:02:57.440 Spence get that interview for you? Or did Dave reach 1426 01:02:57.480 --> 01:03:00.320 out to you? Never did it occur to them that 1427 01:03:00.360 --> 01:03:02.559 I bugged you and your dad? And let me just 1428 01:03:02.559 --> 01:03:05.039 say that your dad was so nice that I bugged 1429 01:03:05.119 --> 01:03:08.760 him two or three times and he's back east doing 1430 01:03:08.800 --> 01:03:12.239 his thing. One of the calls was like clearly, like 1431 01:03:12.320 --> 01:03:14.760 right around midnight, like I just had to do what 1432 01:03:14.800 --> 01:03:16.719 I to do, and he was like, whatever you need 1433 01:03:17.119 --> 01:03:19.519 because he believed in what I was doing and it 1434 01:03:19.559 --> 01:03:22.920 wasn't about he didn't know me. He was like, I try, 1435 01:03:22.920 --> 01:03:26.000 I believe, I want to share this and I believe 1436 01:03:26.000 --> 01:03:27.280 this is a great project. 1437 01:03:26.960 --> 01:03:28.079 And I'm going to do it. 1438 01:03:27.679 --> 01:03:27.880 Yeah. 1439 01:03:28.079 --> 01:03:30.760 It had nothing to do with any of the things 1440 01:03:30.760 --> 01:03:33.679 that everybody thought it did. And I'm like, Dave wouldn't 1441 01:03:33.760 --> 01:03:34.760 know where to get. 1442 01:03:34.639 --> 01:03:35.239 My phone number. 1443 01:03:35.280 --> 01:03:37.480 I'm pretty sure, But like, I don't even know if 1444 01:03:37.480 --> 01:03:39.519 he knew you and I knew each other until I 1445 01:03:39.599 --> 01:03:42.280 interviewed him and said, oh, I've been on Spencer's show 1446 01:03:42.280 --> 01:03:44.719 a lot. I was like, you don't know if he put. 1447 01:03:46.440 --> 01:03:47.039 Your mom did? 1448 01:03:47.159 --> 01:03:49.360 Yeah? Yeah, and they were great. 1449 01:03:49.559 --> 01:03:53.400 Have you and we actually do need to catch a break, Yeah, Ben. 1450 01:03:53.400 --> 01:03:55.480 We'll do some more coming up next with Amy. But 1451 01:03:55.920 --> 01:03:58.760 have you changed the way you kind of approached the 1452 01:03:58.800 --> 01:03:59.239 whole thing? 1453 01:03:59.280 --> 01:04:02.760 Like you reference authenticity, I think the other thing that 1454 01:04:02.800 --> 01:04:05.760 I just realized that I needed to do because it's 1455 01:04:05.800 --> 01:04:08.000 really hard to do this for four hours and then 1456 01:04:08.360 --> 01:04:10.679 change back into who you are in real life. And 1457 01:04:10.760 --> 01:04:12.960 I noticed there was kind of a dynamic that was 1458 01:04:13.000 --> 01:04:15.400 occurring where I was carrying over, like my on air 1459 01:04:15.440 --> 01:04:18.559 persona into my real life and like, you know, i'd 1460 01:04:18.559 --> 01:04:21.599 have friends and you know, people that I spend time 1461 01:04:21.599 --> 01:04:23.760 with that dude, I don't really want to debate you 1462 01:04:23.960 --> 01:04:26.760 right now, like you're not on air, you know, And 1463 01:04:26.800 --> 01:04:29.360 so I try to be just more authentic to who 1464 01:04:29.400 --> 01:04:31.960 I am with this. And I do think there's an 1465 01:04:31.960 --> 01:04:34.239 intimacy to live radio that's a little bit different. It's 1466 01:04:34.239 --> 01:04:36.239 a very intimate platform. It's one of the reasons I 1467 01:04:36.320 --> 01:04:38.400 like it. Like I'll go do a TV hit with 1468 01:04:38.519 --> 01:04:42.559 Dave on KUTV. It's seven minutes, you know, And this 1469 01:04:42.599 --> 01:04:45.280 is different because you're on air for hours at a time, 1470 01:04:45.400 --> 01:04:48.000 and I think people honestly feel like they get to 1471 01:04:48.039 --> 01:04:49.800 know you in a way. And so where I give 1472 01:04:49.800 --> 01:04:53.079 Gordon a lot of credit is him encouraging me to 1473 01:04:53.480 --> 01:04:56.440 As Robin Roberts said when she got her Lifetime Achievement Award, 1474 01:04:56.679 --> 01:04:57.880 this line is always stuck to me. 1475 01:04:58.159 --> 01:05:00.639 Make your mess, your message right. 1476 01:05:00.719 --> 01:05:02.880 And so whether it was stuff I was going through 1477 01:05:02.880 --> 01:05:05.880 personally or you reference you know, my health issues when 1478 01:05:05.880 --> 01:05:07.880 I was young, a brain tumor nearly killed me. 1479 01:05:08.360 --> 01:05:10.519 Gordon's like, go on air with that. I've never done 1480 01:05:10.559 --> 01:05:10.880 that before. 1481 01:05:10.920 --> 01:05:12.199 I don't want to do He's like, no, you will 1482 01:05:12.239 --> 01:05:15.400 be stunned at the reaction of our listener. 1483 01:05:15.480 --> 01:05:18.360 Gordon's actually given me some career changing advice. Gordon and 1484 01:05:18.639 --> 01:05:20.480 Brad Rock two best pieces of advice I got. 1485 01:05:20.599 --> 01:05:22.400 So have you changed the approach over the years. 1486 01:05:23.000 --> 01:05:26.119 Do you feel like I would say now people who 1487 01:05:26.159 --> 01:05:28.199 know me, No, I just I could never do what 1488 01:05:28.239 --> 01:05:30.280 you guys do because I can't be like I'm just 1489 01:05:30.320 --> 01:05:32.800 me sure and nobody wants to put that on air 1490 01:05:32.840 --> 01:05:35.679 for four hours. I mean, it's true, but I and 1491 01:05:35.719 --> 01:05:38.119 I don't blame them, but I you know, in one hour, 1492 01:05:38.159 --> 01:05:39.599 I guess you can handle it one hour a week 1493 01:05:39.639 --> 01:05:44.159 for sure. But I think that Gordon told me you're 1494 01:05:44.679 --> 01:05:46.760 great at this. You're a really good sense of humor. 1495 01:05:46.840 --> 01:05:50.639 You know what you're talking about, but you won't let 1496 01:05:50.639 --> 01:05:53.559 people in on the radio. And if you people can 1497 01:05:53.599 --> 01:05:56.199 get their sports information anywhere. If they don't care about you, 1498 01:05:56.239 --> 01:05:58.280 if they can't connect to you, they're not going to 1499 01:05:58.320 --> 01:06:01.280 listen to you. And that changed the amount I was 1500 01:06:01.280 --> 01:06:03.719 willing to let people in because as a print journalist, 1501 01:06:04.199 --> 01:06:07.000 the lines are really clear. Sure when you do when 1502 01:06:07.039 --> 01:06:10.920 you grow up in newspaper news in a newsroom, there 1503 01:06:11.119 --> 01:06:13.800 it is no pun intended black and white, there's no 1504 01:06:13.920 --> 01:06:16.519 gray area. You go to a banquet to cover it. 1505 01:06:16.559 --> 01:06:18.840 In awards banquet, you do not eat, you do not participate, 1506 01:06:18.840 --> 01:06:21.480 You are not part of the story. That changed when 1507 01:06:21.480 --> 01:06:23.159 I went to sports and I was completely out of 1508 01:06:23.199 --> 01:06:26.039 my element, and Gordon gave me that advice on because 1509 01:06:26.079 --> 01:06:28.880 I was doing sports talk radio, and you can hear 1510 01:06:28.960 --> 01:06:33.079 the difference when you have print reporters on versus broadcast 1511 01:06:33.119 --> 01:06:38.119 report or columnists. Print reporters are always pre editing what 1512 01:06:38.159 --> 01:06:39.960 they want to say, because that's how we write, right. 1513 01:06:40.000 --> 01:06:42.679 We think and write it and then we edit it 1514 01:06:42.719 --> 01:06:44.960 and change it and go over and over until it 1515 01:06:45.000 --> 01:06:47.639 sounds the way we want it to sound. That's not 1516 01:06:47.679 --> 01:06:49.920 a luxury you have in broadcasts. You just have to 1517 01:06:50.000 --> 01:06:52.079 own what you think, what you feel, and how much 1518 01:06:52.119 --> 01:06:55.000 you're willing to share. And that was a shift for me. 1519 01:06:55.119 --> 01:06:57.760 So the change came then. And then I would say, 1520 01:06:57.760 --> 01:07:01.800 Brad Rock, the other significant change is really struggling in sports, 1521 01:07:01.840 --> 01:07:06.199 probably looking to get back into news and leave sports. 1522 01:07:07.079 --> 01:07:09.440 And he saw me at a ski event. I was 1523 01:07:09.480 --> 01:07:12.000 covering in a pre Olympic ski event, and he said, 1524 01:07:12.159 --> 01:07:15.440 and I was expressing to him my frustration and why 1525 01:07:15.440 --> 01:07:17.760 I wanted to go back to news, and he said, 1526 01:07:18.840 --> 01:07:21.360 you're trying to be us. He said, the thing that 1527 01:07:21.400 --> 01:07:24.400 makes you valuable is you're not us. So what if 1528 01:07:24.440 --> 01:07:26.360 you don't know the latest scores and stats, or you 1529 01:07:26.400 --> 01:07:27.920 don't know who the I score was, You can look 1530 01:07:27.920 --> 01:07:30.360 that up, he said, what you when I come and 1531 01:07:30.400 --> 01:07:34.119 talk to you, you know whose grandmother has cancer. You 1532 01:07:34.199 --> 01:07:37.039 know where their fiance is sitting in the stands. He's like, 1533 01:07:37.079 --> 01:07:38.679 you're the only person I know who went over and 1534 01:07:38.679 --> 01:07:41.679 sat with Larry Miller at a WNBA game and never 1535 01:07:41.719 --> 01:07:44.599 came back to press row because Larry invited you to stay, 1536 01:07:44.639 --> 01:07:47.400 and you stayed, and you have three or four stories 1537 01:07:47.440 --> 01:07:50.119 now from that and a column. He's like, that's what 1538 01:07:50.199 --> 01:07:53.159 you do well. And you need to value that, because 1539 01:07:53.199 --> 01:07:56.119 that's what we value. And I realized, like when you 1540 01:07:56.159 --> 01:07:59.960 try to when oftentimes the thing you hate. 1541 01:07:59.760 --> 01:08:02.119 Them about yourself is your superpower. 1542 01:08:02.639 --> 01:08:05.840 The fact that I cannot put up walls around my 1543 01:08:05.960 --> 01:08:08.840 heart and around how I feel and what I think, 1544 01:08:09.519 --> 01:08:11.960 that's actually the reason I can connect people who've had 1545 01:08:12.000 --> 01:08:15.639 experiences I will never have, whose children have been murdered 1546 01:08:15.639 --> 01:08:18.119 and they found their kid in their own house, right, Like, 1547 01:08:18.239 --> 01:08:19.600 I have to sit with them, and I have to 1548 01:08:19.600 --> 01:08:22.000 write something about that. I have to put you in 1549 01:08:22.079 --> 01:08:26.079 somebody's shoes who's forgiven the killer of their son's murderer, right, 1550 01:08:26.399 --> 01:08:29.359 And that's a thing that you can't do if you 1551 01:08:29.439 --> 01:08:32.800 have any anything between you and them. You really have 1552 01:08:32.880 --> 01:08:35.279 to just surrender yourself to the story. I always say, 1553 01:08:35.479 --> 01:08:37.039 Everyone's like, well, how do you decide this? 1554 01:08:37.159 --> 01:08:37.439 Or that? 1555 01:08:37.840 --> 01:08:40.119 It's the story for me, and it sounds hokey, But 1556 01:08:40.560 --> 01:08:43.560 the story is what I serve, and I serve it 1557 01:08:43.600 --> 01:08:46.640 completely and it takes a toll. But I'm also like, 1558 01:08:46.840 --> 01:08:49.600 I feel super lucky that I get to see and 1559 01:08:49.640 --> 01:08:52.640 be inspired by the people I have come in contact 1560 01:08:52.640 --> 01:08:56.800 with over the years. But for me, that's that moment. 1561 01:08:57.439 --> 01:09:00.479 Gordon's in the broadcast side and Brad Rock on the 1562 01:09:00.520 --> 01:09:03.199 print side. What those were the two people who said, like, 1563 01:09:03.560 --> 01:09:06.079 stop trying to be something you're not. And Gordon's was 1564 01:09:06.199 --> 01:09:08.279 just like, if you don't let us in, we're not 1565 01:09:08.319 --> 01:09:10.159 going to listen and nobody you know you can. 1566 01:09:10.279 --> 01:09:12.399 There's so many places to get information. Why would I 1567 01:09:12.439 --> 01:09:12.760 come to you? 1568 01:09:12.880 --> 01:09:13.079 Yeah? 1569 01:09:13.600 --> 01:09:14.680 And he and he was right. 1570 01:09:15.760 --> 01:09:18.319 You know when you say the work is the medicine, 1571 01:09:18.479 --> 01:09:21.439 you know if I'm because it's and we do have 1572 01:09:21.479 --> 01:09:23.039 to catch break and we will. But it's funny all 1573 01:09:23.039 --> 01:09:24.680 these thoughts, this is why I like having you in 1574 01:09:24.880 --> 01:09:28.880 that come to my mind about like stretches of doing 1575 01:09:28.920 --> 01:09:31.920 the show when nobody knows that off air of my 1576 01:09:32.000 --> 01:09:34.960 life was like crumbling, right, And so my dad would 1577 01:09:34.960 --> 01:09:37.399 always say it says Vince Lombardi line, a pro is 1578 01:09:37.439 --> 01:09:40.720 at his best regardless, right. So that light goes on 1579 01:09:40.720 --> 01:09:42.800 at two o'clock. It doesn't matter what's going on out there, 1580 01:09:42.840 --> 01:09:45.680 you can't bring it in here. Right, And there is 1581 01:09:45.720 --> 01:09:49.960 a therapeutic nature doing the show or riding a column. 1582 01:09:50.039 --> 01:09:50.199 Right. 1583 01:09:50.279 --> 01:09:53.720 I covered a hockey game Utah Grizzly soccer game, hockey 1584 01:09:53.720 --> 01:09:56.439 game while my kid was in the ICU at primary 1585 01:09:56.520 --> 01:09:59.000 children's and everybody was like, what are you crazy? And 1586 01:09:59.000 --> 01:10:02.600 I was like, you know what the to escape is, Yeah, 1587 01:10:02.680 --> 01:10:06.279 I for two hours. I'm not a mom whose kid 1588 01:10:06.359 --> 01:10:07.760 might die in surgery. 1589 01:10:08.000 --> 01:10:10.399 I'm a writer. I'm covering hockey and no one gives 1590 01:10:10.399 --> 01:10:11.800 a crap up. It's a game. 1591 01:10:11.880 --> 01:10:14.079 Yeah, no, it is all right. We'll catch a break. 1592 01:10:14.239 --> 01:10:16.560 Amy's live in studio for another big segment coming up. 1593 01:10:16.600 --> 01:10:17.079 Don't forget. 1594 01:10:17.399 --> 01:10:21.039 We've got slide today Stevenson Sylvester at four o'clock for 1595 01:10:21.119 --> 01:10:25.399 some utes. Brett Siance pick six previews for some college football, 1596 01:10:25.399 --> 01:10:27.760 so stay tuned. The AP Top twenty five pull is out. 1597 01:10:28.159 --> 01:10:33.880 Friend Amy Donaldson, MUKSL and other platforms over the years, 1598 01:10:33.960 --> 01:10:36.800 is live and studio for another big segments. You're to 1599 01:10:36.840 --> 01:10:38.199 bring in Stevenson Sylvester. 1600 01:10:38.359 --> 01:10:38.720 Today. 1601 01:10:38.840 --> 01:10:41.279 Utah had a scrimmage over the weekend. We are nineteen 1602 01:10:41.359 --> 01:10:44.479 days away from game day. And then Brett Ciancia picked 1603 01:10:44.520 --> 01:10:48.920 six previews. Will stop by, so Amy referenced during the break. 1604 01:10:49.000 --> 01:10:50.279 Last segment was like a. 1605 01:10:50.279 --> 01:10:52.640 Twenty five thirty minute hit just on a lot of 1606 01:10:52.680 --> 01:10:55.520 different things. You know, we went all over the place 1607 01:10:55.560 --> 01:10:59.640 talking little inside baseball and you know, maybe some people 1608 01:10:59.680 --> 01:11:02.680 like it. Maybe some people don't, but that's okay, beauty 1609 01:11:02.720 --> 01:11:04.600 of podcasting as you can listen to whatever part of 1610 01:11:04.600 --> 01:11:06.359 the show you want to later on, but it's we're 1611 01:11:06.359 --> 01:11:09.199 live now. I'm not going to use the term that 1612 01:11:09.279 --> 01:11:11.640 I used during the break about the situation in the 1613 01:11:11.720 --> 01:11:14.760 WNBA with certain things being thrown off on the floor. 1614 01:11:16.520 --> 01:11:20.520 The WNBA finds itself in a really interesting place. And 1615 01:11:21.000 --> 01:11:24.399 I was recently with family members for a family reunion 1616 01:11:25.199 --> 01:11:28.039 and my sister in law was the Mountain West Conference 1617 01:11:28.039 --> 01:11:30.760 freshman of the Year at BYU and basketball. She unfortunately 1618 01:11:30.840 --> 01:11:32.640 hurt both of her knees and so kind of cut 1619 01:11:32.640 --> 01:11:35.159 her career short. They live in Indiana now. They live 1620 01:11:35.159 --> 01:11:38.479 in Carmel, Indiana, and my little niece, Martha May, has 1621 01:11:38.479 --> 01:11:40.840 this Kaitlin Clark jersey she wears all the time. And 1622 01:11:40.920 --> 01:11:43.119 I'm actually going to visit them this weekend. We're going 1623 01:11:43.159 --> 01:11:45.840 to a game. We're going to go see Kaylen Clark 1624 01:11:45.880 --> 01:11:46.800 and the fever play. 1625 01:11:47.600 --> 01:11:48.039 Is she back? 1626 01:11:48.159 --> 01:11:48.960 Is she back from injury? 1627 01:11:49.079 --> 01:11:50.720 I don't know. I hope so. I know she had 1628 01:11:50.720 --> 01:11:52.119 missed seven or eight straight games. 1629 01:11:52.399 --> 01:11:54.760 What do you make of the way that she has 1630 01:11:54.840 --> 01:11:56.880 covered What do you make of the way that the 1631 01:11:56.920 --> 01:11:59.880 sport is covered now as a result of the rise 1632 01:12:00.159 --> 01:12:03.439 popularity that I hate to say, it does seem to 1633 01:12:03.479 --> 01:12:04.760 be because of Kaitlin Clark. 1634 01:12:04.760 --> 01:12:06.640 I'm not saying it's only her, but. 1635 01:12:06.720 --> 01:12:08.640 No, no, I wouldn't disagree with that. 1636 01:12:08.720 --> 01:12:11.520 What I guess what I would say is there's coverage 1637 01:12:12.079 --> 01:12:15.119 from people who don't know anything about wom's basketball and 1638 01:12:15.159 --> 01:12:17.479 don't know anything about the league and don't care about that, 1639 01:12:17.960 --> 01:12:20.560 and they feel like they have to get on board 1640 01:12:20.600 --> 01:12:21.720 with everything that's popular. 1641 01:12:22.119 --> 01:12:23.159 And she's definitely like. 1642 01:12:23.199 --> 01:12:26.159 She's a she's you could ignore women's sports and you 1643 01:12:26.159 --> 01:12:30.399 could ignore the WNBA ninety percent of the time before 1644 01:12:30.479 --> 01:12:33.840 Kaitlin Clark. Yeah, but once she broke on the scene 1645 01:12:34.000 --> 01:12:38.159 in the in the NCAA tournament, there just was too 1646 01:12:38.279 --> 01:12:43.479 much grassroots affection for her and really for the women's game. 1647 01:12:43.920 --> 01:12:47.640 And so you saw this everybody sort of saying, oh, well, 1648 01:12:47.640 --> 01:12:49.680 this is super popular, we have to do something about it. 1649 01:12:49.720 --> 01:12:52.079 And you see this a lot with non traditional sports, 1650 01:12:52.119 --> 01:12:54.079 but with when it comes to women's sports, and I 1651 01:12:54.079 --> 01:12:55.680 would say women's basketball. 1652 01:12:55.239 --> 01:12:57.920 In particular, Oh really, Yeah, why do you think that is? 1653 01:12:58.119 --> 01:13:01.800 Because I think there is a actual bias. There's a 1654 01:13:01.880 --> 01:13:07.119 gender slash sexual sexuality bias and if men most of 1655 01:13:07.159 --> 01:13:09.920 the media, I mean, they did these surveys every year 1656 01:13:09.920 --> 01:13:12.439 when I was covering the Olympics, and they were eighty 1657 01:13:12.479 --> 01:13:17.840 five to ninety percent male and similar statistic white. But 1658 01:13:18.119 --> 01:13:20.600 all of my bosses, all the bosses in almost all 1659 01:13:20.640 --> 01:13:25.199 the news organizations across the country are are middle aged 1660 01:13:25.239 --> 01:13:29.560 white guys or older, right, And so they drive and 1661 01:13:29.800 --> 01:13:34.640 decide ultimately what we cover. And most of my colleagues 1662 01:13:34.680 --> 01:13:38.920 were guys, very few men of color, lots of but 1663 01:13:39.279 --> 01:13:41.439 lots of males. Even if they're men of color, they're 1664 01:13:41.479 --> 01:13:44.520 all almost all male. And there would be time there 1665 01:13:44.520 --> 01:13:46.439 were times in my career where I literally did not 1666 01:13:46.520 --> 01:13:49.079 see a woman unless I was covering a woman's game 1667 01:13:49.800 --> 01:13:53.479 for weeks at a time professionally, right, just you just 1668 01:13:53.520 --> 01:13:55.840 and I would be like, oh, I would notice when 1669 01:13:55.880 --> 01:13:58.680 I saw another woman journalist. I have a mini a 1670 01:13:58.720 --> 01:14:00.760 selfie in my phone of me and the one or 1671 01:14:00.760 --> 01:14:02.399 two or three other one and there were four of 1672 01:14:02.439 --> 01:14:03.239 us at a football game. 1673 01:14:03.239 --> 01:14:04.439 I made a sack of selfie. 1674 01:14:04.560 --> 01:14:06.760 You put it on on social media because it was 1675 01:14:06.800 --> 01:14:09.479 four of us, right, it was a high school game, 1676 01:14:09.520 --> 01:14:10.720 so you know, there you go. 1677 01:14:11.000 --> 01:14:12.720 But anyway, that was just so rare. 1678 01:14:13.600 --> 01:14:15.840 So when most of the people deciding what to get 1679 01:14:15.840 --> 01:14:21.439 covered where you spend resources in media, are men, it's 1680 01:14:21.520 --> 01:14:24.680 gonna be a tall order for women to get even 1681 01:14:27.159 --> 01:14:30.640 thirty percent of the coverage if you just take a look. 1682 01:14:30.680 --> 01:14:32.439 I mean back in the day we had daily newspapers. 1683 01:14:32.479 --> 01:14:34.600 I did this all the time. I would keep track 1684 01:14:34.680 --> 01:14:36.520 of how many stories would go on the front page, 1685 01:14:37.479 --> 01:14:40.800 both at the Trip and at Desright News for women's sports, 1686 01:14:41.079 --> 01:14:44.880 and it was always a controversy b yu, or it 1687 01:14:45.000 --> 01:14:48.319 was like a local mom story, like which I written 1688 01:14:48.319 --> 01:14:54.640 myself mom and also an athlete, right, so I or 1689 01:14:54.680 --> 01:14:56.720 if you know there were first there's always you know women, 1690 01:14:56.800 --> 01:14:59.239 Oh it's women's History month. Oh it's an anniversary of 1691 01:14:59.279 --> 01:15:01.359 Title nine. We did those stories, right, but like they 1692 01:15:01.439 --> 01:15:05.119 just didn't make the cover. And that what I tell 1693 01:15:05.159 --> 01:15:08.079 people is when you pay attention to something, that's what 1694 01:15:08.079 --> 01:15:10.000 you're telling people what you care about. So you don't 1695 01:15:10.000 --> 01:15:12.119 pay attention to something you don't care about it. And 1696 01:15:12.159 --> 01:15:14.159 a lot of these guys, I would say sports talk 1697 01:15:14.239 --> 01:15:17.079 radio is a hopbeed of this. But there's a lot 1698 01:15:17.119 --> 01:15:21.079 of newspaper and a number in broadcasts as well, who 1699 01:15:21.119 --> 01:15:23.479 haven't paid attention to the WNB, don't even know how 1700 01:15:23.479 --> 01:15:26.319 it works, don't care, and don't really see it as 1701 01:15:26.359 --> 01:15:32.439 a league and an athletic league worth investing their time, 1702 01:15:32.560 --> 01:15:35.880 energy and money. And so those people now are forced 1703 01:15:35.920 --> 01:15:39.640 to to commentate and cover and I heard so much crap, 1704 01:15:39.880 --> 01:15:44.840 so much bs, so much you know, vomit, verbal vomit. 1705 01:15:44.920 --> 01:15:48.800 I'll just say from that those people who had had 1706 01:15:48.880 --> 01:15:50.439 nothing good to say about women's sports. 1707 01:15:50.560 --> 01:15:52.520 I covered the WNB when when. 1708 01:15:52.439 --> 01:15:54.720 Utah, when the Utah Stars were here, I was a 1709 01:15:54.760 --> 01:15:58.239 sidebar person for Linda Hamilton, two women covering Hamilton. 1710 01:15:58.319 --> 01:15:59.760 Yeah, professional sports league. 1711 01:15:59.520 --> 01:16:03.239 And I it was the greatest three years of my 1712 01:16:03.399 --> 01:16:06.520 professional I loved it so much, was so fun. I've 1713 01:16:06.520 --> 01:16:08.600 also bought season tickets that I shared with two other 1714 01:16:08.640 --> 01:16:10.760 families because I couldn't afford them by myself, because I 1715 01:16:10.760 --> 01:16:12.560 was a single mom at the time, and I took 1716 01:16:12.600 --> 01:16:14.560 my daughter those games so she could see even if 1717 01:16:14.560 --> 01:16:17.199 she didn't play sports. See these options. You want to 1718 01:16:17.199 --> 01:16:19.479 see women and you want to go. We've seen political speeches, 1719 01:16:19.520 --> 01:16:21.680 we've seen musicians. You want to see them in all 1720 01:16:21.680 --> 01:16:24.119 these different roles, right and so, and I'm a kid, 1721 01:16:24.359 --> 01:16:26.279 you know, grew up on that cusp of Title nine. 1722 01:16:26.319 --> 01:16:29.239 I got opportunities my mom didn't have because of Title nine. 1723 01:16:29.439 --> 01:16:31.359 So I was very cognizant of this when I took 1724 01:16:31.399 --> 01:16:34.159 my kids and did things my two daughters. But to 1725 01:16:34.279 --> 01:16:37.079 listen to them talk about the rise of Caitlin Clark 1726 01:16:37.079 --> 01:16:39.159 and why she was so popular and what was happening 1727 01:16:39.600 --> 01:16:44.479 was disgusting. It was disheartening, It was infuriating. And there 1728 01:16:44.479 --> 01:16:46.920 were a lot of really great journalists who I won't 1729 01:16:47.279 --> 01:16:49.640 repeat all of their but you can go back and 1730 01:16:49.680 --> 01:16:53.239 read them. Sarah Spaine among them, who kept saying, hey, 1731 01:16:53.279 --> 01:16:55.640 you guys are new to this game. Let me help 1732 01:16:55.680 --> 01:16:59.399 you out, and they just spit on her just you know, 1733 01:16:59.439 --> 01:17:01.560 you don't know you're talking about you're a lady who 1734 01:17:01.560 --> 01:17:04.479 wants to be in sports, and you know it was 1735 01:17:04.560 --> 01:17:07.359 that was really hard. So there were really there was 1736 01:17:07.439 --> 01:17:09.840 really good coverage of the rise. But I'll tell you 1737 01:17:10.000 --> 01:17:11.960 look at go back and watch the press conference when 1738 01:17:12.000 --> 01:17:16.079 she got drafted and the guy who's talking to her Doyle, 1739 01:17:16.520 --> 01:17:19.479 Oh yeah, so yeah, I mean so and you and 1740 01:17:19.479 --> 01:17:22.359 I I think we talked about that. But she's had 1741 01:17:22.399 --> 01:17:25.439 to deal with who is her boyfriend? Is she straight 1742 01:17:25.520 --> 01:17:29.199 or gay. Uh, Paige Buker's same thing. You know, is 1743 01:17:29.239 --> 01:17:33.399 she Sophie what's her name? That plays with Caitlyn plays 1744 01:17:33.399 --> 01:17:35.920 with Kaitlin Clark. Now you know she's hot and she's 1745 01:17:36.159 --> 01:17:39.039 you know violent. We love this, you know. So like 1746 01:17:39.159 --> 01:17:43.520 there's this subset. So there's really good coverage out there, 1747 01:17:43.680 --> 01:17:45.800 but you have to work for it. And then there's 1748 01:17:45.840 --> 01:17:49.600 a lot of noise of people who who may know 1749 01:17:49.680 --> 01:17:54.560 other sports, really popular guys, some of them I like 1750 01:17:54.680 --> 01:17:59.159 and listen to their podcasts, who really really missed and 1751 01:17:59.279 --> 01:18:00.880 instead of like correcting it. 1752 01:18:01.000 --> 01:18:02.840 There's been a couple that have corrected. 1753 01:18:02.479 --> 01:18:05.960 It, but a lot of them have come in and 1754 01:18:06.000 --> 01:18:08.520 not said, I don't know this space. Let me let 1755 01:18:08.560 --> 01:18:11.399 me come into this space intelligently, let me come, Let 1756 01:18:11.399 --> 01:18:13.800 me educate myself. Let me bring people in who will 1757 01:18:13.840 --> 01:18:18.399 help me navigate this place in a way that isn't harmful. 1758 01:18:18.840 --> 01:18:21.159 Because women already endure it. Why do you think there's 1759 01:18:21.159 --> 01:18:23.960 so much abuse in women's sports? Right? There are things 1760 01:18:23.960 --> 01:18:26.720 that we already endure. There are things we're so lucky 1761 01:18:26.800 --> 01:18:28.920 to be here, we're so happy to be at the table, 1762 01:18:28.960 --> 01:18:31.800 We're so happy to have your breadcrumbs that we just 1763 01:18:31.880 --> 01:18:34.600 don't ever ask for what we actually should get. And 1764 01:18:35.479 --> 01:18:38.079 case in point, when the women wore at the All 1765 01:18:38.119 --> 01:18:41.399 Star Game, pay us, pay us what we're worth or whatever. 1766 01:18:41.439 --> 01:18:43.159 The T shirt said something about the pay like pay 1767 01:18:43.239 --> 01:18:45.159 us what we should may or pay us what we're worth, 1768 01:18:45.720 --> 01:18:48.399 and everybody was upset about it, and people like Sarah 1769 01:18:48.439 --> 01:18:52.000 Spain said, look at the TV contracts, look at this, 1770 01:18:52.239 --> 01:18:53.640 let's compare it to other leagues. 1771 01:18:54.119 --> 01:18:55.680 Are the women making what they should make? 1772 01:18:55.840 --> 01:18:56.039 Right? 1773 01:18:56.359 --> 01:18:58.319 And everybody's like, well, they don't make money. Well, there's 1774 01:18:58.359 --> 01:19:00.000 other leagues that don't make money that pay their place 1775 01:19:00.000 --> 01:19:05.079 players millions of dollars, right, So that's not there. It's 1776 01:19:05.199 --> 01:19:09.600 very complicated. But I think that the oversimplification and the 1777 01:19:09.640 --> 01:19:13.399 sexism that's inherent in our business has made it both 1778 01:19:13.520 --> 01:19:16.720 amazing and super fun. And I loved it. We've talked 1779 01:19:16.720 --> 01:19:18.279 about it. It's giving me a lot of hope for 1780 01:19:18.359 --> 01:19:25.199 the future. But it's also just tiring. How many people 1781 01:19:26.000 --> 01:19:31.680 just refuse to evolve and learn and just say, oh, 1782 01:19:31.760 --> 01:19:35.479 I learned this today. They just can't be wrong, and 1783 01:19:35.520 --> 01:19:36.159 that's a bummer. 1784 01:19:36.279 --> 01:19:37.520 Yeah, And you know the. 1785 01:19:39.000 --> 01:19:42.119 Shirts that the women wore Overall Star weekend, it was 1786 01:19:42.159 --> 01:19:45.319 really easy in a vacuum to give a snapshot reaction 1787 01:19:45.479 --> 01:19:48.800 about Okay, well, how much money does the league generate? 1788 01:19:48.920 --> 01:19:53.359 What is the revenue of the WNBA. The ultimate reality 1789 01:19:53.680 --> 01:19:57.680 is NBA players receive about fifty one percent of basketball 1790 01:19:57.800 --> 01:20:01.720 related income and WNBA players receive about nine point three 1791 01:20:01.760 --> 01:20:04.479 percent of their basketball related income. Now, I don't have 1792 01:20:04.520 --> 01:20:06.439 their P and L statements. I don't know what that 1793 01:20:06.520 --> 01:20:09.960 league makes compared to the WNBA. I do know evaluations 1794 01:20:09.960 --> 01:20:11.960 for teams have gone through the roof to the tunes 1795 01:20:11.960 --> 01:20:15.880 of hundreds of millions of dollars. But everybody in this 1796 01:20:15.960 --> 01:20:19.600 attention economy, and that goes back to the sex toys 1797 01:20:19.640 --> 01:20:22.880 being thrown on the floor. I mean, this cryptocurrency meme 1798 01:20:23.039 --> 01:20:25.399 coin company is taking credit for it because they were 1799 01:20:25.439 --> 01:20:26.600 clearly looking for attention. 1800 01:20:26.800 --> 01:20:30.039 No but, and this to me is peak American sports moment. 1801 01:20:31.039 --> 01:20:33.359 Women have fought and fought and fought just to get 1802 01:20:33.439 --> 01:20:37.239 a tiny slice of attention, a tiny slice of the financing, 1803 01:20:37.319 --> 01:20:40.039 a tiny slice of what's out there, right, and they 1804 01:20:40.119 --> 01:20:40.800 finally get it. 1805 01:20:41.079 --> 01:20:42.039 They're having this moment. 1806 01:20:42.159 --> 01:20:44.880 Women's sports in general is having this moment where they're 1807 01:20:44.880 --> 01:20:48.199 getting attention or people want to invest financially in them. 1808 01:20:48.239 --> 01:20:50.239 They want to invest their time with them. They want 1809 01:20:50.239 --> 01:20:52.520 to learn their names. This is amazing, right, They want 1810 01:20:52.560 --> 01:20:57.319 to pay attention to their records. And these dudes say, either, 1811 01:20:58.079 --> 01:21:00.399 we don't care about them, we just want share of 1812 01:21:00.439 --> 01:21:02.960 their attention. This is what happened, and this is what 1813 01:21:03.039 --> 01:21:05.199 I think happened when Kaitlyn Clark came. 1814 01:21:05.079 --> 01:21:06.000 On the scene. 1815 01:21:06.039 --> 01:21:09.800 These sports talk guys and these there's some male columnists 1816 01:21:09.800 --> 01:21:12.800 and podcasters who decided, oh my god, these women are 1817 01:21:12.840 --> 01:21:15.119 having this moment, and they couldn't let us have this moment. 1818 01:21:15.399 --> 01:21:19.359 They couldn't educate themselves, they couldn't defer to another. There 1819 01:21:19.359 --> 01:21:22.199 were plenty of women who've covered the WA and womenen 1820 01:21:22.279 --> 01:21:24.680 who've covered women's basketball in the WNBA. They could have 1821 01:21:24.720 --> 01:21:27.239 had on their shows, but they didn't do that. They 1822 01:21:27.319 --> 01:21:29.680 had to take a piece of that moment for themselves. 1823 01:21:30.000 --> 01:21:33.119 They can't just let them succeed. They can't let them 1824 01:21:33.159 --> 01:21:36.479 into this universe that they decided long ago was theirs, 1825 01:21:36.680 --> 01:21:38.439 and they get to decide who comes in and why. 1826 01:21:38.800 --> 01:21:40.000 It's maddening. 1827 01:21:40.279 --> 01:21:42.560 But to me, that sex toy thing was the same 1828 01:21:42.960 --> 01:21:46.079 situation as the Kaitlyn Clark coming on the same here's 1829 01:21:46.119 --> 01:21:49.600 this moment. It's super fun where everything has to be 1830 01:21:49.640 --> 01:21:52.880 a controversy, everything has to be about she's pretty and white, 1831 01:21:52.920 --> 01:21:54.560 and so everyone else is trying to beat her up 1832 01:21:54.560 --> 01:21:57.239 our you know, and I will say, there is a bias. 1833 01:21:57.319 --> 01:21:58.239 You look at coverage. 1834 01:21:58.560 --> 01:22:01.720 Look at the coverage for womenolleyball players or women's soccer 1835 01:22:01.800 --> 01:22:05.319 soccer players compared to women basketball players, or women boxers 1836 01:22:05.560 --> 01:22:08.199 or women wrestlers or anything like that. There is a 1837 01:22:08.560 --> 01:22:12.000 These men are in charge decide who's attractive and who 1838 01:22:12.359 --> 01:22:15.039 will sell, and we all know it sells, so I 1839 01:22:15.079 --> 01:22:17.000 don't have to say it, but I could say it 1840 01:22:17.039 --> 01:22:19.000 in a lot more direct way, which I do off 1841 01:22:19.000 --> 01:22:22.079 the air, and that is that when they decide that, 1842 01:22:22.520 --> 01:22:27.439 they decide that the pretty attractive women are worth investing in, 1843 01:22:27.920 --> 01:22:31.720 and they play sports that men think are feminine, that 1844 01:22:31.760 --> 01:22:35.479 are okay, and in fact, male volleyball players are still 1845 01:22:35.600 --> 01:22:39.760 fighting for respect because it's so much a women's game 1846 01:22:40.159 --> 01:22:40.680 in the US. 1847 01:22:40.760 --> 01:22:42.920 Yeah, and a corner Covid never won a tournament, but 1848 01:22:43.199 --> 01:22:44.479 you know she was dating. 1849 01:22:44.560 --> 01:22:47.000 I think she married a singer pop singer. I can't remember. 1850 01:22:47.119 --> 01:22:49.520 I'll eat the Iglecias guy or whatever who. 1851 01:22:49.560 --> 01:22:53.079 By the way, I had the displeasure of seeing him 1852 01:22:53.119 --> 01:22:56.119 perform live at like an NBA event. Good looking dude 1853 01:22:56.159 --> 01:22:59.560 could not sing a lick that's a side, but had 1854 01:22:59.560 --> 01:22:59.840 a corner. 1855 01:23:00.000 --> 01:23:00.960 It was a perfect example. 1856 01:23:01.039 --> 01:23:04.319 Tennis skirt attractive, never won a tournament, but was like 1857 01:23:04.359 --> 01:23:06.000 the biggest star in her sport because of the way 1858 01:23:06.039 --> 01:23:06.760 she looked. 1859 01:23:07.000 --> 01:23:09.520 Biggest start because the media would pay attention to her. Sure, 1860 01:23:09.560 --> 01:23:10.960 this is the and this is the thing. And then 1861 01:23:11.159 --> 01:23:13.680 but if you get media attention, then you can get sponsors. 1862 01:23:13.880 --> 01:23:15.359 And this is what I always say, Like when we 1863 01:23:15.720 --> 01:23:19.880 brought the Royals back, amazing investment from the community, you know, 1864 01:23:19.920 --> 01:23:23.239 the organization, but I kept saying, like, there's this gap. 1865 01:23:23.479 --> 01:23:25.119 How are you going to get the media to pay attention? 1866 01:23:25.720 --> 01:23:27.600 Because if you can't get the media to pay attention, 1867 01:23:27.920 --> 01:23:31.680 your sources of money will dry up. Because nobody wants 1868 01:23:31.800 --> 01:23:34.199 to pay for something that just operates in the dark, right. 1869 01:23:34.319 --> 01:23:36.039 They want attention. They want to be part of a 1870 01:23:36.079 --> 01:23:38.960 winning thing. And especially when you're not winning, how are 1871 01:23:38.960 --> 01:23:41.760 you getting these women sponsorship deals? How are you getting 1872 01:23:42.039 --> 01:23:44.720 sponsors for your program so that you can buy the 1873 01:23:44.720 --> 01:23:47.319 players you need, so that you can get the investment 1874 01:23:47.319 --> 01:23:49.479 that you need in those women. And that's the missing link. 1875 01:23:49.720 --> 01:23:50.960 That nobody really can answer. 1876 01:23:51.159 --> 01:23:54.640 So the last WNBA CBA was five years ago. Okay, 1877 01:23:54.720 --> 01:23:57.960 So here are some figures to just give you some 1878 01:23:58.000 --> 01:24:00.840 context as to why the shirts were warn and why 1879 01:24:00.880 --> 01:24:03.159 the players are asking for more, because the easiest thing 1880 01:24:03.600 --> 01:24:06.279 for people to do is to use the narrative and look, 1881 01:24:06.399 --> 01:24:09.239 the early years of the WNBA were bankrolled by the NBA. 1882 01:24:09.640 --> 01:24:12.000 Nobody's running from that, but that was in the late nineties. 1883 01:24:12.039 --> 01:24:12.960 That was twenty eight years ago. 1884 01:24:13.039 --> 01:24:16.319 It was also their decision right to invest in women's sports. 1885 01:24:16.359 --> 01:24:17.199 So here are the figures. 1886 01:24:17.239 --> 01:24:20.359 So last year, an eleven year, two point two billion 1887 01:24:20.439 --> 01:24:24.359 dollar TV deal with Disney, Amazon Prime, and NBC Universal, 1888 01:24:24.920 --> 01:24:27.840 the league reported to jump of forty eight percent in attendance, 1889 01:24:27.920 --> 01:24:30.920 one hundred and seventy percent increase in viewership, and a 1890 01:24:31.000 --> 01:24:34.199 six hundred and one percent rise in merchandise sales and 1891 01:24:34.319 --> 01:24:37.840 expansion fees and valuations now roughly average around two hundred 1892 01:24:37.880 --> 01:24:39.560 and fifty million dollars. 1893 01:24:39.720 --> 01:24:40.079 Okay. 1894 01:24:40.159 --> 01:24:44.000 So again, these figures indicate that the money is there 1895 01:24:44.000 --> 01:24:45.520 in a way that it has been prior to. And 1896 01:24:45.560 --> 01:24:48.159 if you're a player and you look at the NHL 1897 01:24:48.199 --> 01:24:50.000 where they get forty eight percent, you look at the 1898 01:24:50.079 --> 01:24:52.359 NBA where they get fifty one percent. You look at 1899 01:24:52.399 --> 01:24:55.159 Major League Baseball where it's fifty NFL the same, and 1900 01:24:55.239 --> 01:24:58.039 you are realizing that you are entitled to nine point 1901 01:24:58.119 --> 01:25:00.880 three percent of the revenue generation to buy your league. 1902 01:25:01.079 --> 01:25:03.239 Put yourself in their shoes, you would be pissed off too. 1903 01:25:04.199 --> 01:25:06.439 And I think, I mean I covered them when they 1904 01:25:06.479 --> 01:25:09.560 had to have part time jobs or full time jobs overseas, 1905 01:25:10.479 --> 01:25:12.359 but no, they did both. I mean some of them 1906 01:25:12.399 --> 01:25:14.840 had full time jobs and one was a paramedic. I 1907 01:25:14.920 --> 01:25:18.199 remember this, And I mean Kate Starboard was a scientist. 1908 01:25:18.600 --> 01:25:21.319 You know, she's still like I followed her alder in COVID. 1909 01:25:21.319 --> 01:25:24.079 She's like I made. She's a professor and a scientist, 1910 01:25:24.119 --> 01:25:26.439 and she was one of the best wings in the 1911 01:25:26.479 --> 01:25:29.119 w NBA at the time, right, Like, so, I I 1912 01:25:30.359 --> 01:25:34.439 have trouble with just the ignorance of they're women, so 1913 01:25:34.479 --> 01:25:38.800 they had all the required it is it's that you 1914 01:25:38.840 --> 01:25:42.079 don't really belong here. And really, let me just say, 1915 01:25:42.279 --> 01:25:44.039 all those people who talk like that, they're just telling 1916 01:25:44.039 --> 01:25:46.560 on themselves at this point. So I'm fine letting them 1917 01:25:46.560 --> 01:25:48.479 talk because now I know Who'm not listening to. 1918 01:25:48.760 --> 01:25:51.520 Let me ask you about And this is an interesting 1919 01:25:51.840 --> 01:25:57.439 dynamic here because a lot of young rookies in the NBA. 1920 01:25:58.399 --> 01:26:00.279 There was a book called the Jordan Rules, you know 1921 01:26:00.319 --> 01:26:02.720 Michael Jordan. When he was a young player in the NBA. 1922 01:26:03.159 --> 01:26:05.720 The Detroit Pistons had a rule, no layups, no donks. 1923 01:26:05.760 --> 01:26:06.880 You go in the lane and we're going to take 1924 01:26:06.880 --> 01:26:07.359 your head off. 1925 01:26:07.680 --> 01:26:08.000 Okay. 1926 01:26:08.079 --> 01:26:10.520 So this isn't something that has only ever happened to 1927 01:26:10.600 --> 01:26:14.720 Kaitlin Clark, but there does seem to be some treatment 1928 01:26:14.800 --> 01:26:17.920 of her from her peers. Oh, it's a little bit 1929 01:26:18.159 --> 01:26:20.760 no confusing to me. Why no, why what do you 1930 01:26:20.760 --> 01:26:21.279 think that is? 1931 01:26:21.479 --> 01:26:24.640 So again I'll say this is there, that's not an 1932 01:26:24.720 --> 01:26:25.840 figment of your imagination. 1933 01:26:25.960 --> 01:26:27.199 That's true. And here's the thing. 1934 01:26:27.640 --> 01:26:31.399 When you when you're a woman in business, they convince 1935 01:26:31.479 --> 01:26:34.319 you that your biggest competition is other women because there's 1936 01:26:34.359 --> 01:26:36.239 only room for one of you at the big table. 1937 01:26:36.560 --> 01:26:37.880 So if you want to get in the big table, 1938 01:26:37.920 --> 01:26:39.920 the room where it happens, then you've got to beat 1939 01:26:39.920 --> 01:26:41.439 out all these other women. They don't tell you the 1940 01:26:41.439 --> 01:26:43.479 men are your competition, just the other women. 1941 01:26:43.680 --> 01:26:43.880 Right. 1942 01:26:44.159 --> 01:26:47.279 So women are not the worst women. The worst people 1943 01:26:47.279 --> 01:26:49.039 to me in my career have been other women in 1944 01:26:49.079 --> 01:26:51.920 a lot of cases. Interesting, right, My mentors are mostly 1945 01:26:51.960 --> 01:26:55.720 men and that is not an accidents because women are 1946 01:26:55.760 --> 01:26:58.720 pitted against each other through in business. Now that has 1947 01:26:58.800 --> 01:27:01.439 been shifting, right. So imagine you grew up in that 1948 01:27:01.479 --> 01:27:04.640 situation and you're all competing for it. There's only this 1949 01:27:04.840 --> 01:27:08.920 tiny tiny bit of spotlight, you know, this little tiny 1950 01:27:08.920 --> 01:27:11.600 pinhole of spotlight. And if Caitlin Clark takes it all, 1951 01:27:11.640 --> 01:27:14.520 there isn't any for Aja Wilson or Asia Wilson, there 1952 01:27:14.560 --> 01:27:17.079 isn't any for you know, anybody. 1953 01:27:17.479 --> 01:27:18.720 Page Bukers like, you can't have. 1954 01:27:18.680 --> 01:27:21.720 Two stars like we love in the NBA that there's 1955 01:27:21.760 --> 01:27:23.640 a bunch of good rivalries. 1956 01:27:23.239 --> 01:27:27.600 We love, we love. That's what made the NBA great. 1957 01:27:27.680 --> 01:27:29.279 It was what made it solved, and it was what 1958 01:27:29.359 --> 01:27:32.880 made it a billion dollar business. That's what works is 1959 01:27:33.159 --> 01:27:35.520 these rivalries. Is the good guy and the bad guy, 1960 01:27:35.600 --> 01:27:37.399 is the villain and the and the hero. All those 1961 01:27:37.439 --> 01:27:41.000 things really work. We love them, right, But we as 1962 01:27:41.039 --> 01:27:42.920 women are taught first of all, no one wants to 1963 01:27:42.920 --> 01:27:43.399 be the villain. 1964 01:27:43.439 --> 01:27:44.000 You're the villain. 1965 01:27:44.039 --> 01:27:46.039 You're never getting a shoot al' you know what I mean. 1966 01:27:46.239 --> 01:27:48.640 So you we can't do what men do. You can 1967 01:27:48.680 --> 01:27:52.439 be Dennis Rodman and make a zillion dollars because you're 1968 01:27:52.439 --> 01:27:54.760 the bad guy every I mean, think of hockey. 1969 01:27:54.880 --> 01:27:58.359 Hockey wouldn't be hockey without a lot of people stepping 1970 01:27:58.439 --> 01:28:00.680 up to say, I want to be the villain, the enforcer. 1971 01:28:00.880 --> 01:28:01.600 I want that role. 1972 01:28:02.079 --> 01:28:05.000 So women don't get to do that, right, And that's 1973 01:28:05.039 --> 01:28:08.239 why I love the Sophie Cunningham storyline because she's hot, 1974 01:28:08.439 --> 01:28:11.000 so they're gonna let her be a villain. And I mean, 1975 01:28:11.039 --> 01:28:16.640 I love the commentary out of that. And also, like thought, 1976 01:28:17.119 --> 01:28:20.039 here comes the verbal vomit. Right, Oh, they hate her 1977 01:28:20.039 --> 01:28:20.840 because she's beautiful. 1978 01:28:20.880 --> 01:28:21.319 No, they don't. 1979 01:28:21.359 --> 01:28:23.520 They hate her because she's being a villain. But she's 1980 01:28:23.560 --> 01:28:25.760 being she's able to be a villain because she's hot. 1981 01:28:26.239 --> 01:28:27.640 You know, she was not hot. 1982 01:28:28.000 --> 01:28:30.600 If she looked like some of the other women in WNBA, 1983 01:28:30.720 --> 01:28:32.880 that would not be allowed, no one. They would be like, 1984 01:28:33.199 --> 01:28:35.680 get that, put that animal in chains. I've heard this 1985 01:28:35.920 --> 01:28:39.880 said about women basketball players, right, And so my problem 1986 01:28:39.960 --> 01:28:42.239 is when you look at this, you can't look at 1987 01:28:42.239 --> 01:28:44.560 it in isolation. It is part of society, and we 1988 01:28:44.600 --> 01:28:47.800 are told there's only so much for us, for women, 1989 01:28:48.199 --> 01:28:50.399 it's a finite amount of resource, and what a lot 1990 01:28:50.439 --> 01:28:53.399 of young women are learning is that's a lie. There's 1991 01:28:53.439 --> 01:28:55.520 as much as we want to make there is no 1992 01:28:56.239 --> 01:28:58.680 It's like love, there's no finite amount of it. We 1993 01:28:58.720 --> 01:29:01.079 can we can create a table, we can create a 1994 01:29:01.079 --> 01:29:03.439 different universe. And a lot of the women are embracing it. 1995 01:29:03.640 --> 01:29:06.000 Some of the women, especially the older women, are still 1996 01:29:06.000 --> 01:29:07.960 in doctrine of the way I was, which is, hey, 1997 01:29:08.000 --> 01:29:11.640 your competition is other women. I rejected that, right, but 1998 01:29:11.800 --> 01:29:13.520 like a lot of women haven't. A lot of women 1999 01:29:13.520 --> 01:29:15.640 in my age are still in that mindset. And they're 2000 01:29:15.640 --> 01:29:17.920 in that mindset because if you want to get rewarded, 2001 01:29:18.439 --> 01:29:21.199 you have to play in a men's world. I don't 2002 01:29:21.199 --> 01:29:23.199 care about getting rewarded at this point. So you know, 2003 01:29:23.279 --> 01:29:25.680 my reward is I get to do a job I love, sure, 2004 01:29:25.680 --> 01:29:27.640 and I work for a woman, and I work with women. 2005 01:29:28.000 --> 01:29:28.800 So there you go. 2006 01:29:29.079 --> 01:29:31.319 All right, well said, before I set you loose, give 2007 01:29:31.359 --> 01:29:34.239 me a quick thought because you referenced the royals and 2008 01:29:34.560 --> 01:29:38.399 they trade alley for six hundred k spread out over 2009 01:29:38.439 --> 01:29:42.399 three years, and you know the coach comes out is like, yeah, 2010 01:29:42.439 --> 01:29:45.399 she wanted to be traded. I mean, I can't speak 2011 01:29:45.439 --> 01:29:48.439 to that. I don't know if that's the truth, but 2012 01:29:48.479 --> 01:29:51.199 it's not even not a very good team. And she 2013 01:29:51.359 --> 01:29:54.119 was she might be the starting striker for our women's 2014 01:29:54.199 --> 01:29:56.079 national team during the next World Cup cycle. 2015 01:29:56.399 --> 01:29:57.079 Oh, I'm sure. 2016 01:29:57.199 --> 01:29:59.439 And the last time they were here, they were second 2017 01:29:59.479 --> 01:30:02.279 in n USL and attendance. Portland was the only other 2018 01:30:02.319 --> 01:30:05.079 city they was out drawing Salt Lake. I haven't seen 2019 01:30:05.079 --> 01:30:07.239 the up to date numbers, but I've seen the crowds. 2020 01:30:07.279 --> 01:30:09.319 They're not the same that they were. And now the 2021 01:30:09.399 --> 01:30:12.920 Royals last time around had Becky and Kristin Press and 2022 01:30:13.039 --> 01:30:16.319 several World Cup stars. But man, you get rid of Ali, 2023 01:30:16.720 --> 01:30:18.920 and she seemed to be the main reason people are 2024 01:30:18.920 --> 01:30:19.399 showing up. 2025 01:30:19.680 --> 01:30:24.359 Well, I think I don't know. I don't know about 2026 01:30:24.399 --> 01:30:26.399 why people are. I know I'm a season ticket holder 2027 01:30:26.880 --> 01:30:28.439 and I know why I do or don't try up 2028 01:30:28.479 --> 01:30:31.039 and it's not because of Ali. But I think the 2029 01:30:31.119 --> 01:30:35.039 hard thing about the Ali trade is that they center. 2030 01:30:34.880 --> 01:30:37.199 To Kansas City, the best team in Luiza. Yeah, who 2031 01:30:37.199 --> 01:30:38.039 didn't need any help. 2032 01:30:38.600 --> 01:30:41.720 And it just doesn't make any sense why you Yeah, 2033 01:30:41.760 --> 01:30:44.560 you trade Donovan Mitchell, but you don't send him to 2034 01:30:44.640 --> 01:30:47.800 your you're in conference rival, like you. 2035 01:30:47.800 --> 01:30:48.640 Don't you know what I mean? 2036 01:30:48.720 --> 01:30:51.520 Like there's some okay, you don't want to stay here 2037 01:30:51.680 --> 01:30:54.760 or whatever. The reality is, right whatever, this story behind 2038 01:30:54.760 --> 01:30:57.199 the scenes is, we have to this, we have to 2039 01:30:57.239 --> 01:31:03.840 part ways. But they seemed like shooting yourself on the foot, right, 2040 01:31:04.199 --> 01:31:09.880 And it seemed like like no, there was no no 2041 01:31:10.000 --> 01:31:12.600 self preservation mode. I guess you know what I mean, like, Okay, 2042 01:31:12.640 --> 01:31:14.880 well this has to happen, but we're gonna. 2043 01:31:14.640 --> 01:31:16.840 Do what we can to get X y or Z yep. 2044 01:31:17.239 --> 01:31:18.520 It was like, let's just be nice for her. She 2045 01:31:18.560 --> 01:31:19.039 wants to go there. 2046 01:31:19.119 --> 01:31:23.039 Friends are there so cool, and it just seemed like 2047 01:31:23.720 --> 01:31:25.520 to me, it's reminded me of like like a college 2048 01:31:25.560 --> 01:31:27.680 thing or a little league thing, like it's not that 2049 01:31:27.720 --> 01:31:28.159 big a deal. 2050 01:31:28.159 --> 01:31:29.920 We're just friends, right, We're just having fun. And I'm like, 2051 01:31:30.000 --> 01:31:30.680 this is business. 2052 01:31:30.800 --> 01:31:31.399 Yeah right. 2053 01:31:31.760 --> 01:31:35.199 So I think that was the thing that was baffling. 2054 01:31:36.720 --> 01:31:38.920 I believe that she didn't want to stay here. I 2055 01:31:38.960 --> 01:31:41.039 believe the coach when he was talking, and I think 2056 01:31:41.039 --> 01:31:44.600 he's an amazing coach. And I know Dunny went off 2057 01:31:45.279 --> 01:31:47.840 on David's show and said, you have to wonder, you know, 2058 01:31:47.880 --> 01:31:50.000 what's happening or whatever, like what kind of culture they building? 2059 01:31:50.039 --> 01:31:50.319 Whatever? 2060 01:31:50.520 --> 01:31:53.319 Those are good questions to ask, right, But like I 2061 01:31:53.359 --> 01:31:56.720 think you can talk to the women and they love 2062 01:31:56.760 --> 01:31:59.039 what's being built there, and they love the way it's happening. 2063 01:31:59.119 --> 01:31:59.560 Right. 2064 01:32:00.279 --> 01:32:02.680 We did a little off the record thing, and I 2065 01:32:02.680 --> 01:32:05.359 don't know that I've met a male coach that I 2066 01:32:05.399 --> 01:32:06.319 would rather play for. 2067 01:32:07.760 --> 01:32:08.399 I don't know them at all. 2068 01:32:08.479 --> 01:32:11.479 Yeah, and I won't talk about what was because it 2069 01:32:11.479 --> 01:32:15.159 wasn't off the record thing, but I asked very pointed questions, 2070 01:32:15.159 --> 01:32:18.600 including like do you know when your players are on 2071 01:32:18.640 --> 01:32:22.760 their periods? So yeah, I want like these are OK, 2072 01:32:23.720 --> 01:32:27.600 because these affect a woman's help in a way that 2073 01:32:27.960 --> 01:32:31.000 I mean. I I'll never forget covering World Cup speed skating. 2074 01:32:31.279 --> 01:32:31.960 Uh. 2075 01:32:32.159 --> 01:32:33.840 You know, this is the highest level of speed skating 2076 01:32:33.920 --> 01:32:38.119 outside of the Olympics. And the woman who was the 2077 01:32:38.159 --> 01:32:40.199 best speed skater in the world at one thousand meter 2078 01:32:41.439 --> 01:32:43.600 what finishes a race goes over and throws up in 2079 01:32:43.600 --> 01:32:46.439 a garbage can. So I'm thinking you mustut the flu right, 2080 01:32:46.479 --> 01:32:49.239 I mean, you don't see that otherwise. So we wait 2081 01:32:49.279 --> 01:32:50.760 for our time in the mix Suner and I say, 2082 01:32:50.760 --> 01:32:53.359 you know what's going on. I started my period this morning. 2083 01:32:53.880 --> 01:32:56.479 I eat food. I shouldn't have eaten food. It always 2084 01:32:56.520 --> 01:32:59.840 makes me sick and starts talking about it because anyone 2085 01:33:00.039 --> 01:33:02.600 new sided period knows it affects your health. It affects 2086 01:33:02.680 --> 01:33:05.439 your ability to do all the things you do all 2087 01:33:05.439 --> 01:33:06.000 the other days. 2088 01:33:06.079 --> 01:33:06.239 Right. 2089 01:33:06.600 --> 01:33:09.359 And it was the first time though a professional athlete 2090 01:33:09.960 --> 01:33:12.600 had brought it into the mix zone, and the men 2091 01:33:13.199 --> 01:33:16.159 were visibly like, I don't want to talk about it. 2092 01:33:16.840 --> 01:33:18.880 About it like whoa, whoa, WHOA Why. 2093 01:33:19.199 --> 01:33:21.479 I wouldn't feel comfortable asking that question, why. 2094 01:33:21.279 --> 01:33:23.239 Are we going here? Well, I wouldn't ask. I didn't 2095 01:33:23.279 --> 01:33:24.680 ask are you on your period? 2096 01:33:24.760 --> 01:33:24.840 Right? 2097 01:33:24.840 --> 01:33:26.880 I wouldn't ask them on that, but I would say, like, 2098 01:33:26.920 --> 01:33:27.560 what's up with you? 2099 01:33:27.560 --> 01:33:29.159 I would say that to a male athlete, you just 2100 01:33:29.239 --> 01:33:30.880 vomited in a garbage can after your race. 2101 01:33:31.239 --> 01:33:33.119 What's going on? I'm not feeling great. 2102 01:33:33.239 --> 01:33:35.680 This is what happened, right, what I talk I've had 2103 01:33:35.680 --> 01:33:39.399 a football players. I three Taco Bell burritos and it 2104 01:33:39.439 --> 01:33:42.359 was not a good choice. So you asked us questions 2105 01:33:42.359 --> 01:33:44.760 because they give you context for what's happening. But like 2106 01:33:44.880 --> 01:33:47.600 what I'm saying is women have not women are higher. 2107 01:33:47.640 --> 01:33:51.039 Instead of knee injury that loosened your joints, they're all 2108 01:33:51.119 --> 01:33:54.439 kinds of problems, back injury, neck injury. There's no higher 2109 01:33:55.199 --> 01:33:58.439 concussion proto. The highest rate of concussion in high school 2110 01:33:58.439 --> 01:34:01.800 sports is girls soccer. So there are reasons to know 2111 01:34:01.880 --> 01:34:04.800 those things, right, and so I want to talk about 2112 01:34:04.800 --> 01:34:09.239 those things with coaches and trainers and owners, and they 2113 01:34:09.319 --> 01:34:11.720 haven't been It hasn't been allowed, So I thought the 2114 01:34:11.720 --> 01:34:13.800 perfect place was this off the record thing. It did 2115 01:34:13.800 --> 01:34:15.399 make some people uncomfortable, I think, but you know who 2116 01:34:15.439 --> 01:34:18.159 didn't get squeamished about it the coach. The coach who 2117 01:34:18.199 --> 01:34:20.199 was like, not only do I know it, I know 2118 01:34:20.279 --> 01:34:23.319 who and what and how it impacts them, And I 2119 01:34:23.439 --> 01:34:25.399 changed things up for them based on that. That's great, 2120 01:34:25.520 --> 01:34:27.840 And that to me is like, that's where we have 2121 01:34:27.960 --> 01:34:30.439 to go with coaching in general. If we're going to 2122 01:34:30.520 --> 01:34:33.760 be that sensitive about a man's injury, or you know, 2123 01:34:34.479 --> 01:34:36.800 we try to be that sensitive now with mental health, right, 2124 01:34:37.399 --> 01:34:40.560 why wouldn't we also factor and if you know women, 2125 01:34:40.680 --> 01:34:43.680 you know their cycle is a hormones are a major 2126 01:34:43.720 --> 01:34:46.560 part of their lives, right, and so why wouldn't you 2127 01:34:46.560 --> 01:34:48.199 Why wouldn't that be a thing we talk about with 2128 01:34:48.279 --> 01:34:51.960 trainers and medical staff and coaches, right, But that's not happening. 2129 01:34:52.039 --> 01:34:54.600 So I will say I don't know all of what 2130 01:34:54.640 --> 01:34:58.840 went into it. I was shocked at that there wasn't 2131 01:34:58.840 --> 01:35:01.079 an attempt to get more or to make it so 2132 01:35:01.159 --> 01:35:04.399 that it didn't hurt the Royals in the short term, 2133 01:35:04.560 --> 01:35:08.840 and that it didn't hurt so much in like a morale. 2134 01:35:08.920 --> 01:35:12.039 From a morale perspective, there should have been I think 2135 01:35:12.199 --> 01:35:15.800 a bigger statement about, hey, this is a situation. Here's 2136 01:35:15.840 --> 01:35:17.800 why it's going to feel the way it's going to feel. 2137 01:35:18.039 --> 01:35:20.880 But it was like, like, don't ask, Let's pretend that 2138 01:35:20.920 --> 01:35:23.960 this doesn't matter, and it matters. We already have it, 2139 01:35:24.000 --> 01:35:27.680 as we've said, Uh, you know, an inferiority complex. 2140 01:35:28.000 --> 01:35:30.760 We don't need, we don't need to fuel that fire. 2141 01:35:30.920 --> 01:35:33.079 We need to address it right out of the gate 2142 01:35:33.159 --> 01:35:35.079 and say this is going to hurt, but here's why 2143 01:35:35.079 --> 01:35:37.000 it's not going to be. Here's why you shouldn't worry. 2144 01:35:37.039 --> 01:35:38.680 Here's why you should still come out and support us. 2145 01:35:38.760 --> 01:35:41.239 Here's what we're still doing, you know, and that that 2146 01:35:41.239 --> 01:35:42.039 didn't happen. 2147 01:35:42.119 --> 01:35:44.560 Amy, that is our time. It's always great. 2148 01:35:44.399 --> 01:35:46.439 To should you talk about Chris is a Madison arcle. 2149 01:35:46.560 --> 01:35:48.239 I know, I know, but we are like ten. 2150 01:35:49.199 --> 01:35:51.439 I know, I know, and I'm super excited you have Sly. 2151 01:35:51.640 --> 01:35:52.359 I love Sly but. 2152 01:35:52.399 --> 01:35:54.319 We'll get you back soon. Okay, great to see it, 2153 01:35:54.359 --> 01:35:56.800 Amy Donald's and our friend from KSL. All right, like 2154 01:35:56.840 --> 01:35:59.319 any good coach, it's time to update the game. 2155 01:35:59.119 --> 01:36:00.479 Plan for a healthy lawn. 2156 01:36:00.560 --> 01:36:02.880 As the hot weather continues this month, make sure you're 2157 01:36:02.960 --> 01:36:06.439 using IFA's Step three Summer lawn Food for healthy turf 2158 01:36:06.439 --> 01:36:08.760 that stays green and every season. IFA is Step three 2159 01:36:08.840 --> 01:36:11.520 lawn Food. It's the ultimate lawn owner power move. With 2160 01:36:11.560 --> 01:36:15.960 our good friends at IFAK, I got Brett Ciancia joining 2161 01:36:16.039 --> 01:36:18.199 us from Pick six previews coming up in just a 2162 01:36:18.199 --> 01:36:20.840 little bit, we'll break down the entire Big twelve the 2163 01:36:20.920 --> 01:36:24.880 landscape of college football, So stay tuned for that Week 2164 01:36:24.920 --> 01:36:25.640 three of camp. 2165 01:36:25.680 --> 01:36:27.199 Kyle going on up on the Hill. 2166 01:36:27.239 --> 01:36:28.800 Our next guest, one of the best to ever do 2167 01:36:28.880 --> 01:36:32.600 it at the University of Utah, longtime NFL VET. You 2168 01:36:32.600 --> 01:36:35.880 can hear them on our broadcast and bounce around TV 2169 01:36:36.039 --> 01:36:39.640 radio around town. Our guys Stevenson Sylvester on a Monday afternoon, sly, 2170 01:36:39.760 --> 01:36:42.000 happy Monday Man, how are we hey? 2171 01:36:42.119 --> 01:36:43.680 How you doing? How you doing? How are you doing? 2172 01:36:43.720 --> 01:36:46.039 Brother good Man and good I appreciate the time today 2173 01:36:46.079 --> 01:36:51.119 so as somebody who has been through a fall camp experience, 2174 01:36:51.199 --> 01:36:54.279 with coach wit. Week three starts today, sly, are we 2175 01:36:54.960 --> 01:36:58.319 talking about UCLA specific game prep? What's kind of the 2176 01:36:58.319 --> 01:37:00.319 tone and tenor of week three of camp under Coe Win? 2177 01:37:00.920 --> 01:37:03.039 And all you're trying to do is not slap the 2178 01:37:03.119 --> 01:37:06.159 man next to you. That's all you're You're in the 2179 01:37:06.199 --> 01:37:07.239 dog days of camp. 2180 01:37:07.279 --> 01:37:07.439 Man. 2181 01:37:07.520 --> 01:37:11.680 It's it's crazy. You don't start uh u c l 2182 01:37:11.720 --> 01:37:14.199 A prep till next week. So next Monday will be 2183 01:37:14.319 --> 01:37:16.840 started prep. This is this is gonna be kind of 2184 01:37:16.880 --> 01:37:20.279 the last week of training camp and then you know, 2185 01:37:20.880 --> 01:37:23.520 next week is an adjustment of going back to school 2186 01:37:23.840 --> 01:37:27.479 and and all the other logistical things outside of football 2187 01:37:27.520 --> 01:37:28.680 you gotta take care of. 2188 01:37:30.079 --> 01:37:33.039 Is next week. But this is just I'm I'm tired. 2189 01:37:33.119 --> 01:37:37.399 This is the last week of training camp, and let 2190 01:37:37.439 --> 01:37:39.399 me not try to get in a fight because I'm 2191 01:37:39.439 --> 01:37:41.079 tired of seeing the same guy's face. 2192 01:37:41.920 --> 01:37:44.079 These is what they call the dog days. 2193 01:37:43.880 --> 01:37:46.520 It's real. I asked coach on Saturday if they're in 2194 01:37:46.560 --> 01:37:48.640 and he's like, oh, yeah, we're in the dog days now. 2195 01:37:48.720 --> 01:37:52.359 So but yeah, man, right right right now? Is it's 2196 01:37:52.359 --> 01:37:54.920 it's just good man. This team they're they're looking really good. 2197 01:37:55.000 --> 01:37:58.439 I saw their scrimmage on Saturday. I saw practice on Thursday. 2198 01:37:59.640 --> 01:38:01.920 I like where we're at. You know, of course, you're 2199 01:38:01.960 --> 01:38:05.680 not exactly where we're supposed to be, and I'll expect 2200 01:38:05.760 --> 01:38:07.479 us to be exactly where we want to be to 2201 01:38:07.560 --> 01:38:10.520 a few weeks into the season. But I feel confident 2202 01:38:10.560 --> 01:38:12.000 heading into UCLA. 2203 01:38:12.600 --> 01:38:15.800 So as somebody who's been able to get eyes on 2204 01:38:15.840 --> 01:38:18.880 the team in a way that most don't. Let's start 2205 01:38:18.920 --> 01:38:21.760 with just a big picture question slide, which is what 2206 01:38:21.840 --> 01:38:24.479 gives you the most confident that this will be the 2207 01:38:24.520 --> 01:38:26.640 back you know, the bounce back season most people are 2208 01:38:26.680 --> 01:38:28.720 expecting for Utah year two in the Big twelve. 2209 01:38:29.279 --> 01:38:32.520 Well, it has to be a competence on the offensive 2210 01:38:32.520 --> 01:38:37.439 side of the ball, right. I wasn't secure after spring, 2211 01:38:37.800 --> 01:38:41.920 right with the new offense, Jason Bank coming in, people 2212 01:38:41.960 --> 01:38:45.960 coming in and out. But the team that I saw 2213 01:38:46.039 --> 01:38:48.239 this past Saturday is very different than the team I 2214 01:38:48.279 --> 01:38:52.000 saw in spring. As far as functionality, of course, there 2215 01:38:52.239 --> 01:38:55.720 are new players with the transfers, but as far as 2216 01:38:55.800 --> 01:38:59.640 everybody being able to cohesively work together is what I 2217 01:38:59.680 --> 01:39:00.800 saw is a benefit. 2218 01:39:00.920 --> 01:39:03.640 And you know, from. 2219 01:39:03.000 --> 01:39:07.239 Short yardage plays to red zone plays, some of the 2220 01:39:07.279 --> 01:39:10.520 most effective and efficient and most important parts of the 2221 01:39:10.560 --> 01:39:13.800 football game. Are those areas right? Can you convert on 2222 01:39:13.840 --> 01:39:15.880 third down? Can you convert in the red zone? 2223 01:39:15.960 --> 01:39:18.239 Right? The most important. 2224 01:39:17.840 --> 01:39:21.279 Statistics and and we saw a lot of situational football 2225 01:39:21.319 --> 01:39:23.920 on Saturday, and so I was very excited to see 2226 01:39:24.600 --> 01:39:26.680 who's going to be their targets. You know, who are 2227 01:39:26.720 --> 01:39:29.920 they going after, Who's actually standing out? Even this late 2228 01:39:29.960 --> 01:39:32.039 into camp. You know, you get late in the camp 2229 01:39:32.039 --> 01:39:34.760 and guys are just like, man, I'm tired, I'm tired 2230 01:39:34.760 --> 01:39:38.439 of working. But you've seen a lot of guys who 2231 01:39:38.479 --> 01:39:41.640 are still bringing the energy. The competition was there, of course, 2232 01:39:41.680 --> 01:39:45.199 you know the defenses in Scaley and and shrew Shaw 2233 01:39:45.279 --> 01:39:47.680 and the rest of the defensive coaches got those guys 2234 01:39:47.760 --> 01:39:51.560 always on point. But the competition that I saw was 2235 01:39:51.560 --> 01:39:55.079 was terrific. And I love the offensive output that I 2236 01:39:55.119 --> 01:39:55.920 seen on Saturday. 2237 01:39:56.319 --> 01:39:58.199 So it's it's interesting. 2238 01:39:58.520 --> 01:40:00.399 This is the time of year where or you know, 2239 01:40:00.479 --> 01:40:03.720 the Coaches Poll comes out last week, ap Pool comes 2240 01:40:03.720 --> 01:40:08.119 out today. Anybody in college football media is making their predictions. 2241 01:40:08.680 --> 01:40:12.520 And last year it was almost a consensus the Utah 2242 01:40:12.640 --> 01:40:14.439 if they weren't picked to win it, they were picked 2243 01:40:14.520 --> 01:40:16.880 as one of the top two teams. I mean, not 2244 01:40:17.039 --> 01:40:21.319 just US locally, nationally, everybody expected Utah to win the 2245 01:40:21.359 --> 01:40:23.399 Big Twelve championship a year ago, or at least be 2246 01:40:23.439 --> 01:40:26.560 in that championship game. And there are some people this 2247 01:40:26.640 --> 01:40:28.600 year that have picked Utah to win the conference, but 2248 01:40:28.680 --> 01:40:31.199 not many, and they have not been ranked in the 2249 01:40:31.199 --> 01:40:33.079 top twenty five with either of the coaches or the 2250 01:40:33.079 --> 01:40:36.199 ap pole. What sort of dynamic does that give the 2251 01:40:36.239 --> 01:40:39.600 coaching staff to motivate the team and do you prefer 2252 01:40:39.680 --> 01:40:42.119 to be the hunter or the hunt? Did because last 2253 01:40:42.199 --> 01:40:46.159 year target on Utah's back year, one of the Big twelve, 2254 01:40:46.920 --> 01:40:49.840 longtime Big Twelve member institutions turned off at some of 2255 01:40:49.840 --> 01:40:51.560 the hubris. Oh you think you're gonna come into the 2256 01:40:51.560 --> 01:40:54.720 conference and dominate right away? None of that is their 2257 01:40:54.760 --> 01:40:57.319 slide this year. How did the coaches use that as motivation? 2258 01:40:58.000 --> 01:41:01.119 Well, I think even before last season, it was an 2259 01:41:01.279 --> 01:41:04.000 uncomfortable position for coach Witt. I think he alluded to 2260 01:41:04.039 --> 01:41:06.399 it in media days before the year started last year. 2261 01:41:06.439 --> 01:41:09.840 He's like, I'm normally not in this position, So this 2262 01:41:09.920 --> 01:41:12.079 is something that We're gonna have to navigate around. And 2263 01:41:12.439 --> 01:41:15.600 I think coach WIT's always been in a hunter position, 2264 01:41:15.680 --> 01:41:17.840 you know, as a mentality as him as a player. 2265 01:41:18.439 --> 01:41:22.119 From his playing days to the coaching days at Utah 2266 01:41:22.199 --> 01:41:24.680 and everything that he's been a part of, he's always 2267 01:41:24.680 --> 01:41:27.479 been overlooked and so that's just been a comfortable place 2268 01:41:27.479 --> 01:41:29.600 for him to be able to be like, Okay, I 2269 01:41:29.680 --> 01:41:32.319 have aspirations, I know where to go set when you're 2270 01:41:32.359 --> 01:41:34.079 on top, it's kind of like I got to keep 2271 01:41:34.079 --> 01:41:38.199 people at bay and that's just a different type of 2272 01:41:38.840 --> 01:41:42.039 Honestly it shouldn't. But like when you're motivating guys and 2273 01:41:42.399 --> 01:41:45.560 you having all these outside voices, you're just gonna have 2274 01:41:45.600 --> 01:41:48.560 to that's a different conversation that you have to you 2275 01:41:48.640 --> 01:41:51.479 have to tell people because a head coaches or a 2276 01:41:51.520 --> 01:41:53.560 coach's main job is to motivate. 2277 01:41:53.640 --> 01:41:56.640 How do I get guys to be the best that 2278 01:41:56.680 --> 01:41:57.720 they can be? Right? 2279 01:41:57.800 --> 01:41:59.640 And that's why coach Witt is so good. But he's 2280 01:41:59.640 --> 01:42:02.399 just more comfortable in that hunter position. I want to 2281 01:42:02.439 --> 01:42:04.439 go get those guys who say that they're on top, 2282 01:42:04.760 --> 01:42:07.199 and that's that's kind of his mentality. So last year 2283 01:42:07.239 --> 01:42:09.640 was different, and that's why I think this is more 2284 01:42:09.840 --> 01:42:13.119 of a comfortable flow as far as the conversation that 2285 01:42:13.159 --> 01:42:16.279 needs to be had with motivating this team and what 2286 01:42:16.279 --> 01:42:18.439 what to get out there. Right, there's so many things 2287 01:42:18.439 --> 01:42:21.760 out there, and last year was an experience, right, and 2288 01:42:21.840 --> 01:42:24.000 so what did you take from that? What did you 2289 01:42:24.079 --> 01:42:26.239 learn from that as far as what depth did you 2290 01:42:26.359 --> 01:42:28.359 need to have, What type of game planning did you 2291 01:42:28.359 --> 01:42:30.800 need to have, What type of contingencies do you have 2292 01:42:30.880 --> 01:42:34.279 to have in place to handle adversity? 2293 01:42:34.319 --> 01:42:36.880 And I think that this team is. 2294 01:42:36.479 --> 01:42:39.279 Is more equipped from that experience last year to go 2295 01:42:39.359 --> 01:42:41.479 into this year and and and really take the Big 2296 01:42:41.520 --> 01:42:44.960 twelve on and and get to that Big twelve championship game. 2297 01:42:45.319 --> 01:42:50.039 So coach Wit isn't usually effusive with praise. I mean, 2298 01:42:50.079 --> 01:42:52.840 he will get he will give credit where credit is due. 2299 01:42:52.960 --> 01:42:56.279 But for a program that has had Tony Bergerstrom and 2300 01:42:56.359 --> 01:43:00.079 Zane Beatles and Caleb schlatter Off and Garrett Bowles and 2301 01:43:00.159 --> 01:43:03.039 Chris came out to and plenty of other offensive linemen 2302 01:43:03.119 --> 01:43:06.359 that I could name, for Kyle to say this is 2303 01:43:06.399 --> 01:43:09.520 the best offensive line he's ever had in twenty one 2304 01:43:09.600 --> 01:43:13.159 years at the University of Utah. When Kyle himself will 2305 01:43:13.159 --> 01:43:16.399 make those types of maybe borderline hyperbolic statements, I think 2306 01:43:16.439 --> 01:43:20.520 people stand up and pay attention. Another honor today for 2307 01:43:20.600 --> 01:43:23.920 Spencer or Spencer Fono, who was named as an ESPN 2308 01:43:24.000 --> 01:43:27.479 preseason All American and the best offensive tackle in the 2309 01:43:27.520 --> 01:43:29.359 country according to a lot of outlets. 2310 01:43:30.399 --> 01:43:31.520 Are you in lockstep pair? 2311 01:43:31.520 --> 01:43:33.520 Do you believe this could potentially be the best o 2312 01:43:33.680 --> 01:43:34.920 line that Utah has ever had? 2313 01:43:34.920 --> 01:43:37.119 And what does that mean for Devin under center? 2314 01:43:37.880 --> 01:43:42.760 No, I mean, I'm a guy that is you got 2315 01:43:42.760 --> 01:43:45.000 to prove it instead of somebody saying it. 2316 01:43:45.119 --> 01:43:45.319 Right. 2317 01:43:46.199 --> 01:43:48.039 If you guys remember last year he said this is 2318 01:43:48.039 --> 01:43:50.199 the best offense that he's ever had as well, Right, 2319 01:43:51.439 --> 01:43:54.840 so even with one guy gone, how does our offense 2320 01:43:54.920 --> 01:43:59.319 fall the way it did last year? So as a motivator, 2321 01:43:59.359 --> 01:44:01.479 as we said, that's stuff that he has to say. 2322 01:44:01.680 --> 01:44:04.399 Hopefully he's motivating this offensive line to be better and 2323 01:44:04.439 --> 01:44:07.279 holding them because one thing that coach Witt has ever 2324 01:44:07.319 --> 01:44:10.560 since my playing days, his biggest thing is leader, set 2325 01:44:10.600 --> 01:44:14.680 the bar and demand everybody live up to that bar. Right, 2326 01:44:14.840 --> 01:44:16.600 So everybody's got to live up. And so if this 2327 01:44:16.680 --> 01:44:20.680 offensive line is highly touted with to all Americans preseason 2328 01:44:20.720 --> 01:44:23.840 all Americans, they're they're they're leading the forefront, so you 2329 01:44:23.880 --> 01:44:24.960 expect a lot out of them. 2330 01:44:25.000 --> 01:44:27.399 So that's what I believe is coming from them. 2331 01:44:27.399 --> 01:44:30.520 But I'm not I'm not crowning anybody before it's said 2332 01:44:30.560 --> 01:44:34.159 and done. If I see two hundred plus, uh, two 2333 01:44:34.239 --> 01:44:37.520 hundred plus rushing yards on the ground per game and 2334 01:44:38.119 --> 01:44:41.680 great offensive protection and allowed Devin damp Here to get 2335 01:44:41.680 --> 01:44:45.079 the ball downfield and give him time, That's when I'll 2336 01:44:45.119 --> 01:44:47.520 do it. You know. I got to see the work 2337 01:44:47.520 --> 01:44:49.800 instead of hear the work, right, And and that's just 2338 01:44:49.840 --> 01:44:51.880 one thing that we all have not been privy of, 2339 01:44:52.039 --> 01:44:54.840 is the consistency of work, because it can all fall apart. 2340 01:44:54.840 --> 01:44:57.119 This is supposed to be one of the best offenses 2341 01:44:57.199 --> 01:44:59.319 Coach Witting has ever had or been a part of 2342 01:44:59.439 --> 01:45:01.359 last year, and and that. 2343 01:45:01.439 --> 01:45:02.359 Was just not the case. 2344 01:45:02.399 --> 01:45:05.520 And so I'm more on the sense of I want 2345 01:45:05.560 --> 01:45:07.000 to see it and I can't wait to see it 2346 01:45:07.039 --> 01:45:07.800 in the Rose Bowl. 2347 01:45:07.800 --> 01:45:08.640 There's no better feed. 2348 01:45:08.680 --> 01:45:12.960 I think Spencer final is everything that he's I think 2349 01:45:12.960 --> 01:45:16.000 he's worth every praise, every accolade that is out there. 2350 01:45:16.119 --> 01:45:20.720 Right. He's extremely athletic, he's a great leader. Guys love him. 2351 01:45:21.199 --> 01:45:21.520 Uh. 2352 01:45:21.800 --> 01:45:25.319 He does everything pass, protect, get out and run and 2353 01:45:25.239 --> 01:45:28.359 in the screen game. Uh, he's great in the run game. 2354 01:45:28.399 --> 01:45:30.560 Double team blocks, single blocks. You can put him on 2355 01:45:30.560 --> 01:45:34.720 an island. He is your prototypical you know, backside block, 2356 01:45:34.800 --> 01:45:37.039 and that's exactly what you need to have for a 2357 01:45:37.079 --> 01:45:40.319 new offense. And and so I love Spencer final and 2358 01:45:40.319 --> 01:45:43.439 and being able to have that weapon. But I love 2359 01:45:43.479 --> 01:45:45.800 all the other weapons that on this team, from Michael 2360 01:45:45.800 --> 01:45:49.399 Mochafizi to Jared Cump to to toky I to Caleb 2361 01:45:49.960 --> 01:45:52.319 They're like, these guys are great and up and coming. 2362 01:45:53.520 --> 01:45:57.680 Uh Corner Canyon, you know, I call him an all American. 2363 01:45:57.720 --> 01:46:00.279 The guy was all world and and I Garcia. I 2364 01:46:00.279 --> 01:46:03.119 can't wait to see him actually do some stuff because 2365 01:46:03.560 --> 01:46:05.399 he's had a year to grow and be on here 2366 01:46:05.439 --> 01:46:07.560 and he's going to be a contributor in this and 2367 01:46:07.560 --> 01:46:10.439 and and I think that since this offensive line is 2368 01:46:10.479 --> 01:46:13.239 so important, you're gonna see a lot more of them, right, 2369 01:46:13.239 --> 01:46:17.159 You're gonna see a lot more offensive line output this year. 2370 01:46:17.199 --> 01:46:20.960 And I'm I'm talking about run game being huge away 2371 01:46:21.039 --> 01:46:25.720 Sean Parker, the Currie Rogers, all these guys that are 2372 01:46:25.760 --> 01:46:30.000 running football Andrews you can see them having breakout years. 2373 01:46:30.720 --> 01:46:32.479 I'm looking forward to that year. 2374 01:46:32.359 --> 01:46:38.800 Where we had Makai, Bernard, tamy On Thomas and sorry 2375 01:46:38.840 --> 01:46:41.159 and forgetting the other running backs name where you know, 2376 01:46:41.239 --> 01:46:44.359 those guys could each go for one hundred yards per game, 2377 01:46:44.760 --> 01:46:45.399 and it'd be easy. 2378 01:46:45.439 --> 01:46:48.479 I'm looking for an offensive line year like that. 2379 01:46:48.680 --> 01:46:52.319 Man, So it's supposed to be big outputs, but I 2380 01:46:52.319 --> 01:46:54.159 don't want to put too much on this offense. I 2381 01:46:54.159 --> 01:46:56.920 want to keep them in there, get their heads focused, 2382 01:46:56.920 --> 01:47:00.039 and take it game by game and and and and 2383 01:47:00.119 --> 01:47:02.239 see that output. Forty plus points a game is what 2384 01:47:02.279 --> 01:47:03.279 we should be at. 2385 01:47:03.520 --> 01:47:04.479 Interesting stuff there. 2386 01:47:04.520 --> 01:47:07.560 I'm glad you mentioned it because coach with himself, I think, 2387 01:47:07.680 --> 01:47:09.640 and I'll just speak for myself, I was under the 2388 01:47:09.640 --> 01:47:12.039 impression that it was going to be Wayshan is like 2389 01:47:12.079 --> 01:47:15.079 a bell cow. And look, you always want multiple like, 2390 01:47:15.279 --> 01:47:17.439 there's nothing wrong with having two three four backs you 2391 01:47:17.600 --> 01:47:19.920 like as you reference. But tell me what you've seen 2392 01:47:19.960 --> 01:47:22.560 from both way Sean Parker and Aquari Rogers, the two 2393 01:47:22.640 --> 01:47:24.520 running backs that are competing for carries. 2394 01:47:24.560 --> 01:47:28.159 According to Kyle himself, Oh man. 2395 01:47:28.960 --> 01:47:31.079 The biggest thing for me is their stature, right. 2396 01:47:31.159 --> 01:47:35.159 I think Wyshan is a really solid running back, and 2397 01:47:35.239 --> 01:47:38.319 the Curis is extremely versatile from the stuff that I've 2398 01:47:38.359 --> 01:47:40.760 seen as far as catching the ball out of the 2399 01:47:40.760 --> 01:47:41.560 backfield and. 2400 01:47:41.960 --> 01:47:45.000 Being a very very very good, complimentary back. 2401 01:47:45.640 --> 01:47:48.560 They've been given our defense fits and that's something that 2402 01:47:48.640 --> 01:47:52.359 just doesn't happen, right. It's you got guys on that 2403 01:47:52.399 --> 01:47:58.680 defensive front with Levanni de Mooney, Jone, o'hall, lander Barton, 2404 01:47:58.760 --> 01:48:00.640 even coming down to the box with Ta Johnson, and 2405 01:48:01.239 --> 01:48:04.359 you see our offensive line and running backs have some success, man, 2406 01:48:04.399 --> 01:48:07.319 And that's just that's great. That's good on good, right, 2407 01:48:07.800 --> 01:48:09.920 And that's what I saw inside. I saw the first 2408 01:48:09.920 --> 01:48:13.680 team versus the first team and everybody giving each other 2409 01:48:13.840 --> 01:48:16.560 back and forth. Man. Defense doing great, offense doing great, 2410 01:48:17.680 --> 01:48:18.600 and it's awesome, man. 2411 01:48:18.640 --> 01:48:20.119 So I love to see it. 2412 01:48:20.159 --> 01:48:23.680 I can't wait to see the Curie Rodgers, of course, 2413 01:48:24.560 --> 01:48:27.199 was in the system, so this is something that's very 2414 01:48:27.199 --> 01:48:30.119 familiar with him. He's being able to help all the 2415 01:48:30.159 --> 01:48:32.560 other running backs and understanding exactly what they should be 2416 01:48:32.600 --> 01:48:34.560 looking for because he was in the system last year. 2417 01:48:35.119 --> 01:48:39.119 Way Sean Parker, he is. I believe he has the 2418 01:48:39.159 --> 01:48:42.760 capability of being that thousand yard rusher we need, right, 2419 01:48:42.840 --> 01:48:44.039 we need a thousand yard rusher. 2420 01:48:44.079 --> 01:48:46.600 I think we're gonna get it from Devin Devins. Speed 2421 01:48:46.720 --> 01:48:47.439 is just elite. 2422 01:48:47.479 --> 01:48:49.600 I mean in practice right now, we can't really tell 2423 01:48:49.640 --> 01:48:53.479 because you want your quarterback more focused on trying to 2424 01:48:53.479 --> 01:48:54.479 complete that pass. 2425 01:48:54.800 --> 01:48:55.640 But boy, when he. 2426 01:48:55.640 --> 01:48:58.600 Wants to pull that ball down and run, good luck defense. 2427 01:48:58.920 --> 01:49:01.560 And so we get to actually have another quarterback being 2428 01:49:01.560 --> 01:49:04.880 a thousand yard rusher because of that. But there's a 2429 01:49:04.920 --> 01:49:08.960 lot of talent across this board, and I'm very, very 2430 01:49:08.960 --> 01:49:12.119 excited to see who's going to be the star of 2431 01:49:12.159 --> 01:49:14.119 this offense. I don't think there's a number one yet, 2432 01:49:14.279 --> 01:49:16.800 right The closest for me right now is hey, tight 2433 01:49:16.880 --> 01:49:21.159 end you right, Dallan Bitley. I man, he looks big, 2434 01:49:21.239 --> 01:49:25.239 he looks fast, he looks determined, and I'm telling you, folks, 2435 01:49:25.399 --> 01:49:26.359 watch out for that guy. 2436 01:49:26.399 --> 01:49:28.359 He's gonna be a big factor in this offense. 2437 01:49:28.760 --> 01:49:30.920 And I can't wait to see what he does against 2438 01:49:30.960 --> 01:49:34.760 other competition besides our own. But he's somebody who I've 2439 01:49:34.800 --> 01:49:37.079 seen put in the work in this offseason and it's 2440 01:49:37.159 --> 01:49:38.600 definitely looked like it's paying off. 2441 01:49:38.640 --> 01:49:38.800 Man. 2442 01:49:38.840 --> 01:49:41.840 So seeing all the weapons that we have at our disposal, 2443 01:49:42.800 --> 01:49:44.479 it's gonna be absolutely awesome. 2444 01:49:44.520 --> 01:49:45.079 Very nice. 2445 01:49:45.199 --> 01:49:47.720 The Utah does not have a quarterback battle on their 2446 01:49:47.760 --> 01:49:50.399 hands like BYU and some other schools. We know the 2447 01:49:50.479 --> 01:49:55.399 jobs devins, but behind him, I've been somewhat surprised to 2448 01:49:55.439 --> 01:49:58.159 hear all this Afuseid praise for Bird Ficklin. I don't 2449 01:49:58.159 --> 01:50:00.279 know anything about the kid at all. I'm not and 2450 01:50:00.359 --> 01:50:02.319 on him. I'm just saying I thought the job would 2451 01:50:02.359 --> 01:50:05.239 be Isaac's. It's interesting when you listen to Kyle and 2452 01:50:05.359 --> 01:50:08.600 coach back talk about Bird and you know, kind of 2453 01:50:08.800 --> 01:50:11.000 dig into his pedigree a little bit. He does seem 2454 01:50:11.039 --> 01:50:13.840 to play more like Devin does than Isaac Wood. I'm 2455 01:50:13.840 --> 01:50:17.079 not saying Isaac can escape, We've seen it before, but 2456 01:50:17.239 --> 01:50:19.319 I wonder if that dynamic gives Bird a little bit 2457 01:50:19.359 --> 01:50:22.199 of a handoff. How do you think that qb room 2458 01:50:22.560 --> 01:50:25.079 is developing behind Devin as of now? 2459 01:50:25.119 --> 01:50:28.279 Sly, it's more for me, it's gotta be game plan, right. 2460 01:50:28.880 --> 01:50:31.520 Bird Finkland is talented. When you watched him in the spring, 2461 01:50:31.560 --> 01:50:32.920 you're just like, this kid's a. 2462 01:50:32.880 --> 01:50:35.159 Freshman, Like, like, what the heck? 2463 01:50:35.920 --> 01:50:38.119 Just a left I'm telling you, As a defender, you 2464 01:50:38.279 --> 01:50:42.199 practice right handed quarterbacks. Right your your best cornerback is 2465 01:50:42.239 --> 01:50:44.520 the left cornerback because that's the right side of the 2466 01:50:44.520 --> 01:50:46.439 offense and the right But when you have a left 2467 01:50:46.479 --> 01:50:49.760 hander who can do the things that Bird Flinklan is doing, 2468 01:50:50.520 --> 01:50:53.199 it definitely puts your defense in a in a complex 2469 01:50:53.239 --> 01:50:55.880 man and and so I love his talent. 2470 01:50:56.000 --> 01:50:58.239 You know, I still think he has them developing going. 2471 01:50:58.279 --> 01:50:59.239 He's a freshman, right. 2472 01:50:59.319 --> 01:51:03.840 We saw great things from Isaac last last training camp 2473 01:51:03.880 --> 01:51:06.920 in spring, and and we were solid on him coming 2474 01:51:06.920 --> 01:51:07.920 in and in the season. 2475 01:51:07.960 --> 01:51:10.039 It just it was a lot of adversity. It was 2476 01:51:10.079 --> 01:51:10.640 hard to handle. 2477 01:51:10.720 --> 01:51:13.079 It was a lot a lot of pressure, and I 2478 01:51:13.079 --> 01:51:15.159 don't want to see that from bird Finkland. I still 2479 01:51:15.199 --> 01:51:17.880 think there's a lot of development going. But one thing 2480 01:51:17.920 --> 01:51:20.640 that I've seen that I loved is Isaac. You know, 2481 01:51:20.720 --> 01:51:24.680 Isaac always thrown a great football, right, and I think that, 2482 01:51:25.039 --> 01:51:27.760 you know, he hasn't had that sort of attention on 2483 01:51:27.880 --> 01:51:31.039 him this offseason. He's been able to relax and and 2484 01:51:31.039 --> 01:51:34.319 and dive into the playbook and and really immerse himself 2485 01:51:34.920 --> 01:51:37.119 into this team and be a leader. And I've seen 2486 01:51:37.119 --> 01:51:39.479 a lot of development of him just over the past 2487 01:51:39.520 --> 01:51:42.640 week of from what I've seen in the spring to now. 2488 01:51:43.640 --> 01:51:47.279 And it's more of a comfortability and confidence, right. Being 2489 01:51:47.359 --> 01:51:51.439 a quarterback is all about confidence. And I had never 2490 01:51:51.680 --> 01:51:53.680 understood that till I was in the same locker room 2491 01:51:53.680 --> 01:51:57.279 with Ben Roethlisberger. That guy had an elite confidence about 2492 01:51:57.319 --> 01:52:00.000 himself that even if he threw an interception, he knew 2493 01:52:00.119 --> 01:52:03.159 for a fact I'm gonna get a touchdown, right, and 2494 01:52:03.399 --> 01:52:07.159 he's just know my odds of touchdown to interception ratio. 2495 01:52:07.880 --> 01:52:09.560 I'm gonna put my team in the best position win, 2496 01:52:09.640 --> 01:52:13.199 whether it's running the football or handing the ball off, 2497 01:52:13.199 --> 01:52:16.159 I mean, or throwing a touchdown to Mike Wallace or 2498 01:52:16.199 --> 01:52:16.840 hinz Ward. 2499 01:52:17.600 --> 01:52:18.239 And I just. 2500 01:52:18.279 --> 01:52:22.600 Love that that energy and that confidence that Ben Roethlisberger had, 2501 01:52:22.640 --> 01:52:24.960 and at the quarterback position, that's what it's all about. 2502 01:52:25.039 --> 01:52:28.079 So if Isaac can hone in on his confidence and 2503 01:52:28.159 --> 01:52:30.800 don't let the outside noise or anything else shake it. 2504 01:52:31.079 --> 01:52:34.159 He's a talented guy, as I said Bird, people's talented 2505 01:52:34.319 --> 01:52:37.760 left handed guy that puts defenses in a very hard position. 2506 01:52:38.359 --> 01:52:40.600 But he's still a freshman, right, and so he's got 2507 01:52:40.600 --> 01:52:42.399 a lot to learn, a lot of experience, a lot 2508 01:52:42.439 --> 01:52:43.159 of speed of the game. 2509 01:52:43.199 --> 01:52:46.760 He's got to understand and consistency with throws. Right. 2510 01:52:46.840 --> 01:52:49.840 We saw last year where simple out routes or simple 2511 01:52:49.880 --> 01:52:53.600 flat routes were thrown into the dirt without pressure, right, 2512 01:52:53.680 --> 01:52:56.520 And that's that's freshman like behavior. And so I saw 2513 01:52:56.560 --> 01:52:59.399 some of that from Bird. But you know that's not 2514 01:52:59.439 --> 01:53:01.840 saying that he can't throw the football, but it's about 2515 01:53:01.880 --> 01:53:05.000 consistency and confidence at the quarterback position. 2516 01:53:06.199 --> 01:53:07.880 One more positional group questions. 2517 01:53:07.920 --> 01:53:12.479 So there are seventeen wide receivers on the roster. There's 2518 01:53:12.520 --> 01:53:16.800 only one though, that has thirty career catches in college football. 2519 01:53:16.800 --> 01:53:20.720 That's Ryan Davis, the new Mexico transfer coach. Witt himself 2520 01:53:20.840 --> 01:53:23.239 with Sean and I Big twelve Media Days, discussed a 2521 01:53:23.279 --> 01:53:26.079 little bit of I don't know if it's consternation, just 2522 01:53:26.199 --> 01:53:27.439 unknown in that room. 2523 01:53:27.560 --> 01:53:28.199 So what you're. 2524 01:53:28.159 --> 01:53:30.520 Understanding about how that wide receiver room is shaken out 2525 01:53:30.520 --> 01:53:31.359 as of now sly. 2526 01:53:32.199 --> 01:53:33.399 As I said, I was alluding to that. 2527 01:53:33.520 --> 01:53:35.039 I was just like, there's a lot of talent and 2528 01:53:35.079 --> 01:53:37.319 there's no number one. I was like, Dallan Bitley for 2529 01:53:37.399 --> 01:53:39.279 me right now is the number one and he's tied in. 2530 01:53:39.720 --> 01:53:42.560 But in the receiver room, I was seeing so many 2531 01:53:42.640 --> 01:53:47.079 guys get touches, get looks, and pass the ball and 2532 01:53:47.119 --> 01:53:54.079 do some amazing things from freshman from freshman's to sophomores 2533 01:53:54.119 --> 01:53:58.319 to seniors to new transfers. I don't think that's determined 2534 01:53:58.359 --> 01:53:59.960 on who we're going to get the ball to, because 2535 01:54:00.000 --> 01:54:03.119 insistently and one of these guys, these guys are all talented, 2536 01:54:03.119 --> 01:54:06.079 and I think they're all worthy. So whoever ends up winning, Uh, 2537 01:54:06.119 --> 01:54:11.039 those jobs are winning, those targets I'm gonna be happy with. 2538 01:54:11.119 --> 01:54:13.079 I think it's gonna be it's gonna be awesome. I 2539 01:54:13.159 --> 01:54:15.199 actually like Tobias May Merriweather. 2540 01:54:15.520 --> 01:54:15.720 Right. 2541 01:54:15.760 --> 01:54:18.760 He's a six four sixty five body that's long, strong, 2542 01:54:19.159 --> 01:54:22.560 and extremely competitive and he can go up and get 2543 01:54:22.600 --> 01:54:25.760 the ball. And he's had a great, great training camp. 2544 01:54:26.359 --> 01:54:28.159 He's a new transfer, so we didn't get to see 2545 01:54:28.239 --> 01:54:31.279 him in the spring, but uh, he looks great and 2546 01:54:31.319 --> 01:54:33.199 I'd love to get him the ball and in deep 2547 01:54:33.239 --> 01:54:36.479 passing situations because if defenses want to crowd the box 2548 01:54:36.520 --> 01:54:37.560 for Devin, you're. 2549 01:54:37.439 --> 01:54:38.960 Gonna get a guy who could take the top off 2550 01:54:39.000 --> 01:54:39.800 the defense. 2551 01:54:39.479 --> 01:54:43.119 In in Tobias Merriweather, and who can be double cover 2552 01:54:43.199 --> 01:54:45.399 from the post safety and the cornerback and he can 2553 01:54:45.399 --> 01:54:46.159 come down with it. 2554 01:54:46.399 --> 01:54:49.840 That excites me, right. And and then uh, Dadrian Zipperer. 2555 01:54:49.880 --> 01:54:52.000 He's a guy who's been in the system and been 2556 01:54:52.039 --> 01:54:55.640 around and you know he's just a redshirt sophomore, but 2557 01:54:56.119 --> 01:54:58.399 he's a guy that can run all the routes. I 2558 01:54:58.439 --> 01:55:01.359 loved his route running the days of practice that I've 2559 01:55:01.399 --> 01:55:04.279 seen thus far, and so we just have no idea 2560 01:55:04.279 --> 01:55:06.039 who's going to be that guy to come out right 2561 01:55:06.119 --> 01:55:10.319 and from it being Nate Johnson or it being Justin 2562 01:55:10.399 --> 01:55:15.039 see the Stevenson, there's not a number two, number one guy. 2563 01:55:15.399 --> 01:55:17.399 But I think by the time game comes. 2564 01:55:17.119 --> 01:55:19.600 We're gonna see we're gonna see those guys step up 2565 01:55:19.600 --> 01:55:21.239 and make it happens. 2566 01:55:20.680 --> 01:55:23.439 Live before I say you loose, I have a question 2567 01:55:23.680 --> 01:55:26.159 about a teammate of yours, and I've often said this before, 2568 01:55:26.880 --> 01:55:28.800 and I'm sure it could be open for debate, but 2569 01:55:28.840 --> 01:55:30.840 I believe the two thousand and nine Sugar Bowl win 2570 01:55:30.880 --> 01:55:34.680 over Alabama is potentially the best individual accomplishment that any 2571 01:55:34.800 --> 01:55:39.239 Utah football team has ever had, obviously capping an undefeated season. 2572 01:55:39.359 --> 01:55:41.640 And it was one of my first Utah football teams 2573 01:55:41.640 --> 01:55:43.239 I covered as a full time media member. 2574 01:55:43.279 --> 01:55:45.920 So I have a soft spot in my heart for 2575 01:55:45.960 --> 01:55:46.960 your team, as you know. 2576 01:55:47.560 --> 01:55:50.119 And Chris Camaraddi, our friend from The Athletic, wrote a 2577 01:55:50.279 --> 01:55:53.960 really powerful piece on one of your ex teammates, Greg Newman, 2578 01:55:54.920 --> 01:55:58.159 who sadly passed a few years back after a battle 2579 01:55:58.920 --> 01:56:01.920 with CTE. I just wondered what your memories are of 2580 01:56:01.920 --> 01:56:04.680 Greg and what your perspective is. We had Chris on 2581 01:56:04.720 --> 01:56:06.520 the show last week and he kind of talked about it, 2582 01:56:06.560 --> 01:56:09.000 so before I said, you lose just your thoughts on 2583 01:56:09.319 --> 01:56:13.159 just that entire process and journey watching your ex teammates 2584 01:56:13.159 --> 01:56:14.079 struggle the way he did. 2585 01:56:14.760 --> 01:56:18.119 Yeah, I appreciate you bringing that up and shedding light 2586 01:56:18.279 --> 01:56:23.119 on Greg Newman and just knowing that. My biggest takeaway 2587 01:56:23.159 --> 01:56:25.840 is it could be any of us, right that's suffering, 2588 01:56:25.880 --> 01:56:26.880 and we don't know. 2589 01:56:27.039 --> 01:56:30.760 But Greg was great, just a highly competitive human being. 2590 01:56:30.840 --> 01:56:34.439 And you know, I was doing a story with his 2591 01:56:34.520 --> 01:56:37.000 mom and sister and I found out even more things 2592 01:56:37.319 --> 01:56:41.199 that I didn't even know about him, right, and and 2593 01:56:41.199 --> 01:56:45.000 and so it just brought me back to just his 2594 01:56:45.680 --> 01:56:47.760 energy and what he was willing to do for our 2595 01:56:47.800 --> 01:56:48.439 football team. 2596 01:56:48.479 --> 01:56:48.640 Right. 2597 01:56:48.680 --> 01:56:51.680 He was a defensive end linebacker in high school, but 2598 01:56:51.720 --> 01:56:54.560 it was a defensive end for us, and was. 2599 01:56:54.479 --> 01:56:57.640 Playing three techniques. He rotated down And. 2600 01:56:59.239 --> 01:57:01.319 I don't know, folks, that that is not an easy 2601 01:57:01.359 --> 01:57:04.119 thing to do, right, to be a two hundred and 2602 01:57:04.159 --> 01:57:08.079 sixty pound and essentially being double team by multiple three 2603 01:57:08.159 --> 01:57:12.279 hundred plus pound guys every single play and him winning. 2604 01:57:12.880 --> 01:57:16.119 He was just an extreme, extreme motor and I just 2605 01:57:16.199 --> 01:57:18.279 knew that he was a competitive guy. He loved winning 2606 01:57:18.640 --> 01:57:20.800 and he was he was a leader on our defense 2607 01:57:21.000 --> 01:57:25.079 and loved playing with him because it's exactly what I 2608 01:57:25.079 --> 01:57:28.039 said about coach Witt and leaders, right, they set the 2609 01:57:28.079 --> 01:57:29.920 bar and demand everybody follow it. 2610 01:57:30.159 --> 01:57:32.079 Greg Newman was that type of guy. He was a 2611 01:57:32.199 --> 01:57:33.560 very determined guy. 2612 01:57:33.600 --> 01:57:37.760 And even after football, right, he he went to he 2613 01:57:37.880 --> 01:57:40.680 was very good at numbers and financials, right, so he 2614 01:57:40.720 --> 01:57:43.439 went to Wall Street. He was doing very well on 2615 01:57:43.520 --> 01:57:46.560 Wall Street until COVID hit and you know, he couldn't 2616 01:57:46.600 --> 01:57:50.239 be in a competitive environment and things just got worse 2617 01:57:50.319 --> 01:57:53.359 right after that. And so but he was just a 2618 01:57:53.479 --> 01:57:56.279 very dedicated person to the team. Is a big reason 2619 01:57:56.319 --> 01:57:59.039 why we went undefeated in eight or O nine, And 2620 01:58:00.920 --> 01:58:03.720 I just I loved him as a teammate and I appreciate, 2621 01:58:03.880 --> 01:58:06.960 you know, everybody shedding light on that situation because it's 2622 01:58:07.000 --> 01:58:10.079 not something that we should pass over. And from talking 2623 01:58:10.119 --> 01:58:13.000 with his parents, it's like it could be anybody, right, 2624 01:58:13.079 --> 01:58:16.000 there's uh, there's people who's snowboarding and you're going down 2625 01:58:16.000 --> 01:58:18.920 a half pipe and and you have head injury and 2626 01:58:19.760 --> 01:58:22.159 it's in there. Everything should seem fine, but there's one 2627 01:58:22.159 --> 01:58:24.359 point where it can. It can really mess with you. 2628 01:58:24.439 --> 01:58:27.560 And so, uh, Greg just had a he had a 2629 01:58:27.600 --> 01:58:30.439 tough goal of it, you know, you know, finding himself 2630 01:58:30.479 --> 01:58:33.279 after football, and you know, he was just a great 2631 01:58:33.319 --> 01:58:36.640 human being. He loved being around people, love giving back 2632 01:58:36.680 --> 01:58:40.079 and helping out where he could. But yeah, he was 2633 01:58:40.119 --> 01:58:44.000 a big, big part of our undefeated year in two 2634 01:58:44.039 --> 01:58:44.560 thousand and eight. 2635 01:58:44.840 --> 01:58:47.039 It s li thanks for the time, my friend, appreciate it. 2636 01:58:47.079 --> 01:58:49.000 On Monday, have a great week and we'll get you. 2637 01:58:48.960 --> 01:58:50.840 Back on soon. Okay, you got it. 2638 01:58:50.880 --> 01:58:53.159 Thanks Vince all right, the great Stevens and Sylvesteria one 2639 01:58:53.199 --> 01:58:54.560 of the best to ever do it at the University 2640 01:58:54.560 --> 01:58:57.720 of You taught the linebacker position. Super Bowl winner in 2641 01:58:57.760 --> 01:59:00.199 the NFL with the Pittsburgh Steelers. Part of our broadcast 2642 01:59:00.199 --> 01:59:02.359 team and we'll be part of our Utah football coverage 2643 01:59:02.479 --> 01:59:06.039 all year long. Speaking of you, Taugh football. More football 2644 01:59:06.039 --> 01:59:09.039 coming up. On the other side, Brett Sianca Pick six previews. 2645 01:59:09.079 --> 01:59:10.560 He's got a little bit of an issue with the 2646 01:59:10.600 --> 01:59:13.840 eight people believes Utah should be ranked higher. All right, 2647 01:59:13.840 --> 01:59:16.920 special thanks to Nicki Rimando hopped on. 2648 01:59:16.840 --> 01:59:19.199 The program a little bit earlier. 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All right, joining me now, one of 2670 02:00:14.479 --> 02:00:17.079 my favorites do some college football, my buddy Brett Siantia 2671 02:00:17.119 --> 02:00:20.439 from Pick six previews on a Monday afternoon, Bret Happy Monday, man, 2672 02:00:20.439 --> 02:00:20.920 how are we doing. 2673 02:00:21.760 --> 02:00:23.880 Hey, thanks for having me on. You know, at that 2674 02:00:23.960 --> 02:00:27.560 time of year, it's preview magazine season, it's everybody's undefeated, 2675 02:00:27.600 --> 02:00:30.720 everybody's optimistic. So excited to break it down for you 2676 02:00:30.760 --> 02:00:32.359 here talking Utah in the Big Twelve. 2677 02:00:32.479 --> 02:00:34.760 Yes, sir, So let's let's get right into it. We're 2678 02:00:34.800 --> 02:00:37.720 about a mile away from RISKL Stadium, We're about nineteen 2679 02:00:37.800 --> 02:00:40.560 days away from the beginning of the season for the Utes. 2680 02:00:41.359 --> 02:00:43.920 You like Utah a little bit more than the AP poll. 2681 02:00:44.039 --> 02:00:46.439 So the AP pole comes out today. Utah among the 2682 02:00:46.479 --> 02:00:49.960 others receiving votes in the Pick six preview magazine you 2683 02:00:49.960 --> 02:00:53.079 have us, The Utes rank number twenty two. So what's 2684 02:00:53.079 --> 02:00:55.560 you're reasoning for ranking Utah in your top twenty five? 2685 02:00:55.600 --> 02:00:58.000 And were you surprised to see them unranked in today's 2686 02:00:58.000 --> 02:01:00.560 a people, Yeah, I was shocked. 2687 02:01:01.159 --> 02:01:03.079 I guess I shouldn't be shocked anymore with what comes 2688 02:01:03.079 --> 02:01:05.640 out in the preseason. But there were five teams that 2689 02:01:05.720 --> 02:01:08.079 I disagreed with that should be ranked that the AP 2690 02:01:08.319 --> 02:01:12.920 did not rank, and that was USC, Baylor, TCU, and 2691 02:01:13.119 --> 02:01:17.039 Utah and Auburn, but the three Big twelve teams. But 2692 02:01:17.119 --> 02:01:19.399 with Utah, yeah, I mean what you have here is 2693 02:01:19.399 --> 02:01:21.800 one of the best offensive lines in the country, the 2694 02:01:21.960 --> 02:01:24.800 entire two deep return from last year, which is extremely rare. 2695 02:01:25.439 --> 02:01:27.760 The defense, you have to trust what Morgan Scaley does 2696 02:01:27.760 --> 02:01:29.760 every year, one of the best coordinators in the game, 2697 02:01:30.039 --> 02:01:32.680 a couple of All American candidates and all conference guys 2698 02:01:32.680 --> 02:01:35.359 on that side. And then the big The big deal 2699 02:01:35.399 --> 02:01:37.840 with Utah this year is their revamped offense. And of 2700 02:01:37.840 --> 02:01:40.960 course in twenty three it was a ton of injuries 2701 02:01:41.039 --> 02:01:43.520 and twenty four the quarterback had a ton of injuries. 2702 02:01:44.319 --> 02:01:47.560 But now everything you know. They're restarting with a new scheme, 2703 02:01:47.560 --> 02:01:51.239 bringing Jason Becko from New Mexico. It's really a dynamic, 2704 02:01:51.319 --> 02:01:53.920 run heavy offense and he got an electric guy at 2705 02:01:54.000 --> 02:01:56.800 quarterback with Devin Dan Pearce. So a lot to like 2706 02:01:56.840 --> 02:02:00.159 from Utah, And yeah, they're certainly deserving of a preseason rank. 2707 02:02:00.359 --> 02:02:02.720 I think sometimes the voters just looked too closely at 2708 02:02:02.760 --> 02:02:05.199 last year's record and take it at face value. You 2709 02:02:05.279 --> 02:02:07.479 got to consider everything that went into last year, So 2710 02:02:07.800 --> 02:02:09.479 I like you tell the bounce back into the top 2711 02:02:09.479 --> 02:02:11.479 twenty five and contend for a Big twelve title. 2712 02:02:11.800 --> 02:02:14.279 I want to follow up about Devin About Devin Dampier, 2713 02:02:14.600 --> 02:02:17.640 who is bringing a lot of hope to a market 2714 02:02:17.680 --> 02:02:20.680 that's just frustrations with a quarterback position over the past 2715 02:02:20.680 --> 02:02:23.279 couple of years. You know, you just ultimately always felt 2716 02:02:23.319 --> 02:02:25.680 bad for Cameron Rising. You just couldn't stay healthy after 2717 02:02:25.720 --> 02:02:28.399 a couple of dynamic years they led you Todd to 2718 02:02:28.520 --> 02:02:31.760 win a couple of Pack twelve championships. What should our 2719 02:02:31.880 --> 02:02:35.880 listeners know about Devin based off of the research that 2720 02:02:35.920 --> 02:02:37.760 you've done, and do you think he'll be able to 2721 02:02:37.760 --> 02:02:42.920 seamlessly transition into higher competition in the Big twelve juxtapposed 2722 02:02:42.960 --> 02:02:43.720 to the Mountain West. 2723 02:02:44.960 --> 02:02:47.319 Yeah, with Devin damp here, you're getting a dual threat. 2724 02:02:47.359 --> 02:02:49.039 And I know that term has used a lot, but 2725 02:02:49.079 --> 02:02:51.760 he really encompasses the term. I mean he had a 2726 02:02:51.840 --> 02:02:55.319 thousand rushing yards last year, thirty one total touchdowns, and 2727 02:02:55.880 --> 02:02:57.840 you know a lot of those yards rats are contact too. 2728 02:02:58.079 --> 02:02:59.960 You get a finger on him, you can still you know, 2729 02:03:00.159 --> 02:03:01.880 escape And in run he had five hundred and twenty 2730 02:03:01.960 --> 02:03:06.239 yards after contact rushing. So a true dual threat. Really 2731 02:03:06.279 --> 02:03:09.520 elusive in the pocket too. Stat I put it in 2732 02:03:09.520 --> 02:03:11.520 the book here this year was he was number one 2733 02:03:11.520 --> 02:03:14.039 in the country in evading sacks in the pocket. He 2734 02:03:14.159 --> 02:03:16.920 was pressured one hundred times, only took four sacks. So 2735 02:03:16.960 --> 02:03:19.159 four out of one hundred times he was pressured, was 2736 02:03:19.159 --> 02:03:21.199 he actually corralled for a sack? You know, he's got 2737 02:03:21.399 --> 02:03:24.239 escapability from the pocket and go pick up a first 2738 02:03:24.239 --> 02:03:26.520 down with the legs and the pocket breaks down. But 2739 02:03:26.560 --> 02:03:27.359 here's the catches. 2740 02:03:27.600 --> 02:03:28.199 I don't think the. 2741 02:03:28.119 --> 02:03:30.359 Pocket will be breaking down too much with this offensive 2742 02:03:30.399 --> 02:03:32.720 line in front of him. So to your other part 2743 02:03:32.720 --> 02:03:35.159 of the question, you know, stepping up from the Mountain 2744 02:03:35.199 --> 02:03:38.000 West to the Big twelve, certainly that'll be an adjustment. 2745 02:03:38.079 --> 02:03:40.840 The game will be faster, but also he benefits from 2746 02:03:40.880 --> 02:03:42.640 having a better line in front of him. This is 2747 02:03:42.680 --> 02:03:45.720 a real Big twelve, my number one Big twelve offensive line, 2748 02:03:45.720 --> 02:03:48.439 a top ten national line. So while you know that 2749 02:03:48.560 --> 02:03:51.880 step up in competition is a negative, he gets a 2750 02:03:51.960 --> 02:03:55.119 stronger offensive line and probably some better players around him 2751 02:03:55.560 --> 02:03:57.600 here at Utah, So I think it's going to be 2752 02:03:57.600 --> 02:04:00.399 a breakthrough season. He earned the All train for at 2753 02:04:00.399 --> 02:04:02.520 spot in my book. You know, it's funny have an 2754 02:04:02.520 --> 02:04:04.920 All American team and all Big twelve team, but in 2755 02:04:04.960 --> 02:04:06.960 the magazine with all these transfers, I put an all 2756 02:04:07.039 --> 02:04:09.479 transfer team in there, and he certainly deserves the Big 2757 02:04:09.479 --> 02:04:10.319 twelve spot. 2758 02:04:10.079 --> 02:04:12.159 There, just real quick, a little bit of a non sequitor, 2759 02:04:12.239 --> 02:04:14.239 but based off of what you just said, how has 2760 02:04:14.359 --> 02:04:19.159 the changing landscape of college football affected your ability and 2761 02:04:19.199 --> 02:04:21.079 your one of my favorites? You know, we used pick 2762 02:04:21.079 --> 02:04:23.520 six on the show all the time. Like, for instance, 2763 02:04:23.560 --> 02:04:26.840 Bronco Menadla has eighty new players in logan and most 2764 02:04:26.880 --> 02:04:30.159 programs at least have fifty to sixty and some more 2765 02:04:30.239 --> 02:04:30.520 than that. 2766 02:04:31.640 --> 02:04:33.840 How has that changed the way that you've had. 2767 02:04:33.720 --> 02:04:36.239 To adjust to do your job, to try to analyze 2768 02:04:36.399 --> 02:04:39.399 groups of players that are entirely brand new just from 2769 02:04:39.439 --> 02:04:40.239 a year ago. 2770 02:04:40.960 --> 02:04:44.119 It's complicated the preview magazine process tenfold. I mean I 2771 02:04:44.159 --> 02:04:46.399 launched this back in twenty twelve, and if you go 2772 02:04:46.479 --> 02:04:48.359 back in time to twenty twelve, that was still the 2773 02:04:48.399 --> 02:04:51.359 BCS era. We had something called the Big East and 2774 02:04:51.399 --> 02:04:54.600 the Pac ten and just a simpler time. But yeah, now, 2775 02:04:55.640 --> 02:04:57.880 you know, back then you would look at just returning starters, 2776 02:04:58.119 --> 02:05:00.960 recruiting and who left early for the pros, if anybody 2777 02:05:01.000 --> 02:05:03.199 that was it, that was the formula. Now it's so 2778 02:05:03.319 --> 02:05:06.199 much more complex. But I do go player by player, 2779 02:05:06.279 --> 02:05:09.520 position by position and really just put context in the 2780 02:05:09.520 --> 02:05:12.119 book about you know which transfers are important, which ones 2781 02:05:12.319 --> 02:05:15.960 had success at the last level, because really every situation 2782 02:05:16.079 --> 02:05:19.000 is different. But I think that's it's it makes it 2783 02:05:19.039 --> 02:05:21.359 more complex from my angle, but I think to the 2784 02:05:21.399 --> 02:05:23.720 reader it brings a lot more value because you can 2785 02:05:23.720 --> 02:05:26.199 pick up the Pick six previous magazine and learn right 2786 02:05:26.239 --> 02:05:29.800 away about who's coming in, who's leaving why, and put 2787 02:05:29.800 --> 02:05:31.800 it within the context of the team. And you know 2788 02:05:31.840 --> 02:05:35.439 you're not going to find abbreviations or acronyms or jargon. 2789 02:05:35.520 --> 02:05:37.479 I mean, it's it's pretty straightforward and I tell you 2790 02:05:37.560 --> 02:05:40.479 what's going on in each program, all right. 2791 02:05:40.560 --> 02:05:44.800 So generally speaking, it's interesting to see your rankings as 2792 02:05:44.840 --> 02:05:48.159 far as Big twelve teams go. And then you know 2793 02:05:48.239 --> 02:05:50.960 the unseious endeavor of the Coaches poll last week. The 2794 02:05:51.000 --> 02:05:53.720 ap pol involves people that do seem to pay attention. 2795 02:05:54.399 --> 02:05:57.359 Where does Utah rank? You can throw a tier out there, 2796 02:05:57.479 --> 02:05:59.239 who do you like in the Big twelve? You know 2797 02:05:59.279 --> 02:06:02.119 how many teams you think can legitimately win this conference. 2798 02:06:02.800 --> 02:06:04.640 They didn't even let us do a Big twelve preseason 2799 02:06:04.680 --> 02:06:06.960 media poll this year because we're all so wrong about 2800 02:06:07.079 --> 02:06:09.039 who's going to look like a year ago. But I 2801 02:06:09.039 --> 02:06:11.560 guess I'll ask you, what's your tier one level of 2802 02:06:11.560 --> 02:06:14.039 Big twelve teams this year and where does Utah fit in. 2803 02:06:15.279 --> 02:06:18.199 Yeah, well, I think it's the most wide open conference 2804 02:06:18.239 --> 02:06:20.319 I've ever covered here. It's my fourteenth year doing Pick 2805 02:06:20.359 --> 02:06:23.439 six previews and do all four Power four conferences, and 2806 02:06:23.520 --> 02:06:25.239 I think this is the most wide open yet. And 2807 02:06:25.439 --> 02:06:27.760 I say that because, you know, talk to head coaches, 2808 02:06:27.800 --> 02:06:30.399 talk to coordinators about some of their opponents coming up, 2809 02:06:30.439 --> 02:06:32.319 and try and get them to talk about who the 2810 02:06:32.319 --> 02:06:34.600 favorites are. They'll give you ten different teams. You know, 2811 02:06:34.760 --> 02:06:36.479 they'll say, there isn't really a favorite here, which is 2812 02:06:36.640 --> 02:06:40.199 a cluster of top twenty five and top forty caliber teams. 2813 02:06:40.359 --> 02:06:42.000 I tend to agree. I see a lot of top 2814 02:06:42.039 --> 02:06:44.159 twenty five teams in here, and you know, I narrowed 2815 02:06:44.159 --> 02:06:45.880 it down to early seven, if you can call it, 2816 02:06:46.000 --> 02:06:48.119 narrow it down seven teams I think can win it. 2817 02:06:48.840 --> 02:06:51.840 I went with Arizona State. I went with the defending champs. 2818 02:06:52.000 --> 02:06:53.680 I don't think last year was a fluke when you 2819 02:06:53.720 --> 02:06:56.479 look back at it with my advanced stats in the book, 2820 02:06:56.520 --> 02:07:00.439 they were legit. They bring everybody back except Camps Kataboo, 2821 02:07:00.439 --> 02:07:02.720 who's a big one. At running back, but pretty much 2822 02:07:02.760 --> 02:07:05.359 the entire roster returns. I like them to go repeat 2823 02:07:05.640 --> 02:07:07.840 and I have them playing Texas Tech in Dallas and 2824 02:07:07.920 --> 02:07:11.399 Texas Texas situation where eight win team last year, but 2825 02:07:11.479 --> 02:07:13.560 they go out. They rally all this oil money from 2826 02:07:13.600 --> 02:07:16.720 their boosters and they signed twelve blue chips from the portal. 2827 02:07:16.800 --> 02:07:19.279 That's more than the rest of the conference signed combined. 2828 02:07:19.359 --> 02:07:22.439 So huge talent influx in the in the Lubbock. So 2829 02:07:22.479 --> 02:07:26.520 I'm going for Arizona State vers Texas Tech. Strong considerations 2830 02:07:26.560 --> 02:07:29.399 from Baylor in Utah and TCU, and then I would 2831 02:07:29.439 --> 02:07:31.720 drop it down a tier to the Kansas State, Iowa 2832 02:07:31.760 --> 02:07:35.079 State and even BYU down there. But so Arizona State 2833 02:07:35.119 --> 02:07:37.560 Texas Tech to play, and then I can really argue 2834 02:07:37.600 --> 02:07:39.199 hard for Baylor, Utah and TCU. 2835 02:07:40.000 --> 02:07:42.600 I know you already referenced the offensive line, but Spencer 2836 02:07:42.640 --> 02:07:47.600 Fono another honor today named first team ESPN All American. 2837 02:07:49.600 --> 02:07:51.680 You know when you look at you know Dane Brugler, 2838 02:07:51.720 --> 02:07:55.600 for instance, released his summertime offensive line raykingss. Spencer is 2839 02:07:55.600 --> 02:07:58.880 the number two tackle in Caleb Lomu as the number 2840 02:07:58.920 --> 02:07:59.560 five tackle. 2841 02:07:59.600 --> 02:08:02.920 You for It's earlier, Brad, You think Utah. 2842 02:08:02.039 --> 02:08:04.000 Has the top ten line in all the college football 2843 02:08:04.039 --> 02:08:07.960 coach with himself, which is uncoach with like pretty effusive 2844 02:08:08.000 --> 02:08:09.920 with his praise, saying he thinks this is the best 2845 02:08:09.960 --> 02:08:13.199 offensive line that he has had at Utah in twenty 2846 02:08:13.239 --> 02:08:13.640 one years. 2847 02:08:13.680 --> 02:08:15.640 What sort of benefit is that for Devin? 2848 02:08:15.680 --> 02:08:17.800 I know that's an obvious question, but Devin put up 2849 02:08:17.800 --> 02:08:21.600 some gaudy numbers last year in New Mexico without an 2850 02:08:21.640 --> 02:08:24.079 offensive line that's even in the same stratosphere as this. 2851 02:08:24.319 --> 02:08:27.399 So how that official is that dynamic for Utah's offense 2852 02:08:27.439 --> 02:08:29.159 this year? And dig in a little bit deeper on 2853 02:08:29.239 --> 02:08:30.720 the O line, how good you think they are? 2854 02:08:31.800 --> 02:08:34.039 Yeah, well, that's really the key strength of this offense. 2855 02:08:34.079 --> 02:08:36.239 I mean it probably it goes without saying, but that 2856 02:08:36.359 --> 02:08:38.439 is one of the key parts of why I have 2857 02:08:38.520 --> 02:08:41.439 them ranked in the top twenty five. Is that offensive line. 2858 02:08:41.479 --> 02:08:44.079 Because you want to generate the consistent run push, you know, 2859 02:08:44.159 --> 02:08:45.880 because you lose your running back, you lose a lot 2860 02:08:45.920 --> 02:08:48.159 of receivers, but you want to have that anchor, that 2861 02:08:48.640 --> 02:08:51.279 rocket offensive line. I think they have that. I agree 2862 02:08:51.279 --> 02:08:53.119 with you. At Spencer Fano here in the number one 2863 02:08:53.159 --> 02:08:57.439 spot on my first team All American team. Again, you know, 2864 02:08:57.640 --> 02:08:59.800 just like ESPN. Like you said, I've got him on there. 2865 02:09:00.720 --> 02:09:03.079 But yeah, look at Utah. You can start to throw 2866 02:09:03.119 --> 02:09:05.039 out some of those stats from last year, and you 2867 02:09:05.079 --> 02:09:07.560 know that gets brought up about how poor they were offensively, 2868 02:09:07.640 --> 02:09:09.399 and I think you just got to look at it 2869 02:09:09.520 --> 02:09:11.079 last year with the Green of Salt. I mean, they 2870 02:09:11.079 --> 02:09:13.680 were down to their fifth quarterback at times. It was 2871 02:09:13.760 --> 02:09:16.800 really unlucky there with injuries in twenty four and especially 2872 02:09:16.920 --> 02:09:19.600 twenty twenty three. So you got to look at individual 2873 02:09:19.640 --> 02:09:21.760 talent and you got to take some of these coach 2874 02:09:21.800 --> 02:09:24.000 clips for what they're saying. I mean, you're right about 2875 02:09:24.000 --> 02:09:26.119 coach Witt. He's very close to the vest with some 2876 02:09:26.159 --> 02:09:28.520 comments on position groups. So for him to throw that 2877 02:09:28.600 --> 02:09:31.159 praise out there, that catches my eye, and I think 2878 02:09:31.239 --> 02:09:31.920 they're going to live. 2879 02:09:31.840 --> 02:09:32.159 Up to that. 2880 02:09:32.319 --> 02:09:34.520 So that's a great place to start when you're building 2881 02:09:34.520 --> 02:09:37.119 a top twenty five or a Big twelve contending team. 2882 02:09:37.239 --> 02:09:39.399 Is the offensive line. It's going to make everybody else 2883 02:09:39.399 --> 02:09:42.199 look better, and I think that's going to be, you know, 2884 02:09:42.239 --> 02:09:43.439 one of the strongest in the country. 2885 02:09:44.239 --> 02:09:46.439 You TA has had seventeen running backs go over one 2886 02:09:46.439 --> 02:09:49.600 thousand yards. Way Sean Parker is looking to be the 2887 02:09:49.640 --> 02:09:52.119 next one to do that reference in the local media 2888 02:09:52.199 --> 02:09:55.199 last week he wants to touch fifteen hundred yards. Acqui 2889 02:09:55.359 --> 02:09:58.680 Rogers is also in the mix for RB one Wyshaan 2890 02:09:58.760 --> 02:10:01.520 with a really solid the freshman campaign of wall Zoo 2891 02:10:01.600 --> 02:10:04.720 over five yards of carry. What are you expecting? And 2892 02:10:04.760 --> 02:10:06.199 I don't know how they're going to split the reps. 2893 02:10:06.199 --> 02:10:07.960 And it's great to have more than one back in 2894 02:10:08.000 --> 02:10:10.760 your room, but let's just assume that way Shawn's able 2895 02:10:10.760 --> 02:10:12.880 to grab that starting job. What sort of back is he? 2896 02:10:12.920 --> 02:10:14.720 What should our listeners know about him? 2897 02:10:15.960 --> 02:10:17.880 Yeah, well, it's good to have two of them. And 2898 02:10:17.920 --> 02:10:20.039 I saw him from fall camp. They were talking about 2899 02:10:20.039 --> 02:10:22.039 how the coaches were saying that they're one A and 2900 02:10:22.119 --> 02:10:24.319 one B right now, so it looks like they're gonna 2901 02:10:24.319 --> 02:10:26.680 split even if it's a sixty forty split of carries. 2902 02:10:26.920 --> 02:10:29.039 Get them two guys back there. Of course, Rogers is 2903 02:10:29.079 --> 02:10:32.840 familiar with the new Mexico offense coming with Jason back 2904 02:10:32.960 --> 02:10:36.319 end with Dan Peere. He knows the scheme. But yeah, 2905 02:10:36.319 --> 02:10:38.680 I think you have your starter with way Shaun Parker. 2906 02:10:38.960 --> 02:10:41.119 He was rated the number four transfer running back in 2907 02:10:41.159 --> 02:10:44.079 the entire country this cycle, so put up a ton 2908 02:10:44.119 --> 02:10:47.560 of yards at a breakout season at Washington State. They know, 2909 02:10:47.600 --> 02:10:49.399 I know they weren't the Pac twelve last year, but 2910 02:10:49.640 --> 02:10:51.880 at the time it was still considered a power forward 2911 02:10:51.920 --> 02:10:54.239 type team, so that was impressive to break through as 2912 02:10:54.239 --> 02:10:56.479 a starter right away. But yeah, I think you have 2913 02:10:56.840 --> 02:10:59.680 a proven commodity with him and then Rogers the guy 2914 02:10:59.680 --> 02:11:02.039 that knows the scheme, albeit stepping up to the Big 2915 02:11:02.079 --> 02:11:04.439 twelve level. But that's a good one two punch, and 2916 02:11:04.960 --> 02:11:06.119 you know, I think you got to like what you 2917 02:11:06.159 --> 02:11:06.479 have there. 2918 02:11:07.039 --> 02:11:09.159 All right, let me let me dig in on on 2919 02:11:09.239 --> 02:11:11.560 Byu for a minute. You know, of course, they had 2920 02:11:12.039 --> 02:11:16.319 pretty surprising season a year ago, jumps opposed expectations. They 2921 02:11:16.359 --> 02:11:18.039 go eleven wins, they get a good win in the 2922 02:11:18.039 --> 02:11:22.279 Alimable over Colorado. Obviously, the Jake Retz laugh stuff is 2923 02:11:22.319 --> 02:11:25.520 the main headline that people have been focused on around here. 2924 02:11:25.560 --> 02:11:28.960 They have not named the starter, and you know, ultimately, 2925 02:11:28.960 --> 02:11:31.720 whether it's the coaches puller, the ap pol, you know, 2926 02:11:31.800 --> 02:11:37.399 the the ambiguity quarterback hasn't necessarily changed people's optimism about 2927 02:11:37.439 --> 02:11:40.439 who they could be because like Utah, they are a 2928 02:11:40.520 --> 02:11:42.760 program now that really is defense first. 2929 02:11:42.840 --> 02:11:44.439 Klanie cut his teeth under Kyle j. 2930 02:11:44.600 --> 02:11:47.319 Hill cut his teeth under Kyle, so they got a 2931 02:11:47.359 --> 02:11:49.960 ton back on defense. We don't know who the quarterback 2932 02:11:50.039 --> 02:11:51.680 is going to be, But what are your expectations for 2933 02:11:51.720 --> 02:11:52.520 BYU this year? 2934 02:11:52.560 --> 02:11:55.800 Brett Well, I had a lot of questions with BYU 2935 02:11:56.079 --> 02:11:59.359 coming into the Reds last situation, even before that broke. 2936 02:11:59.479 --> 02:12:01.399 I mean, you're like, and at the offensive line, losing 2937 02:12:01.439 --> 02:12:05.920 three starters, and these are long time guys, longtime starters, contributors, 2938 02:12:06.119 --> 02:12:09.479 all big twelve guys. So three offensive linemen departed, pretty 2939 02:12:09.520 --> 02:12:13.119 much the whole defensive line left. Both corners were gone. 2940 02:12:13.760 --> 02:12:16.680 So I already had a couple questions at BYU. Now 2941 02:12:16.680 --> 02:12:18.600 that's not to say that twenty twenty four wasn't a 2942 02:12:18.600 --> 02:12:20.760 fluke or anything. I mean they were legit last year. 2943 02:12:20.840 --> 02:12:23.720 My game Greater formula actually had them first in the conference. 2944 02:12:23.760 --> 02:12:25.359 At the end of the year. They were really strong. 2945 02:12:25.760 --> 02:12:28.720 But projecting forward to twenty twenty five, a lot of questions. 2946 02:12:28.960 --> 02:12:32.119 It got worse after spring. Of course, the quarterback situation 2947 02:12:32.239 --> 02:12:34.199 you touched on looks like you're going to be starting 2948 02:12:34.359 --> 02:12:37.479 at BYU a true freshman, eighteen year old bar Backmeyer 2949 02:12:37.760 --> 02:12:39.960 who wasn't even there for winter or spring and was 2950 02:12:39.960 --> 02:12:43.279 ever at Stanford, so that's a huge question. And then 2951 02:12:43.319 --> 02:12:47.079 also two receivers that could have come back left or 2952 02:12:47.239 --> 02:12:50.800 lost eligibility with Lassiter who applied to the NCAA did 2953 02:12:50.840 --> 02:12:53.479 not get renewed. And then of course Keilan Marion, an 2954 02:12:53.520 --> 02:12:57.520 All conference receiver kick return specialist, departs from Miami. So 2955 02:12:57.960 --> 02:12:59.840 not only do you not knock out your starting quarterback, 2956 02:13:00.079 --> 02:13:03.399 lose two legit receivers from the projection. So that bumped 2957 02:13:03.399 --> 02:13:05.439 them almost out of the top forty for me down 2958 02:13:05.439 --> 02:13:06.560 at thirty eight nationally. 2959 02:13:07.960 --> 02:13:10.720 Interested to follow up as to why you believe the 2960 02:13:10.800 --> 02:13:14.119 job is Bear Bachmeyers. And you know, Aaron Roderick, offensive 2961 02:13:14.119 --> 02:13:17.039 coordinator for BYUS in front of the show, and he's 2962 02:13:17.079 --> 02:13:20.039 saying a lot of nice things about bear Bachmeyer. The 2963 02:13:20.119 --> 02:13:22.600 McKay Hillstead kid has eight starts under his bell the 2964 02:13:22.680 --> 02:13:27.079 Utah State. So you know, is that the best guess 2965 02:13:27.119 --> 02:13:29.000 you have that it's going to be Bear under center. 2966 02:13:29.239 --> 02:13:30.159 Give me your thoughts on that. 2967 02:13:31.039 --> 02:13:33.239 Yeah, that is a guest here. Of course I'm not 2968 02:13:33.279 --> 02:13:35.399 there on the ground in Fall Camp. I'm out here 2969 02:13:35.399 --> 02:13:38.680 based in Pennsylvania. But when I try and project forward 2970 02:13:38.680 --> 02:13:40.840 and look at this upcoming roster, I was looking at it. 2971 02:13:40.880 --> 02:13:43.720 You had Hillstet from Utah State. You got poor Gay 2972 02:13:43.760 --> 02:13:46.840 from Western Michigan. Like you said, not that experience as 2973 02:13:46.840 --> 02:13:49.199 a starter either one of them. Maybe a handful of starts. 2974 02:13:49.520 --> 02:13:52.760 But bear Bachmeyer, guy, I know at Stanford in springball 2975 02:13:52.840 --> 02:13:55.760 was repping with the ones, and I know that Byu 2976 02:13:55.840 --> 02:13:58.880 is stronger right now than Stanford is. But I think 2977 02:13:58.880 --> 02:14:01.079 you had a four star process back They're a bigger 2978 02:14:01.560 --> 02:14:04.000 blue chip billing than these two guys that were there. 2979 02:14:04.960 --> 02:14:06.840 So yeah, that's my guest right now. It might not 2980 02:14:06.880 --> 02:14:08.720 be a week one starter. Maybe it'll take a few 2981 02:14:08.720 --> 02:14:11.159 weeks in the September, but in terms of upside, I 2982 02:14:11.159 --> 02:14:13.319 think you got to like what you had with Backmeyer. 2983 02:14:13.600 --> 02:14:16.319 What do you know about UCLA Brett It's Utah's opening 2984 02:14:16.319 --> 02:14:19.239 opponent at the Rose Bowl. It's at nine o'clock Mountain 2985 02:14:19.279 --> 02:14:21.319 time kick. A lot of people around here not thrilled 2986 02:14:21.319 --> 02:14:24.239 about that, but that is the opening game for the 2987 02:14:24.319 --> 02:14:25.439 Utes in their non con. 2988 02:14:25.720 --> 02:14:27.000 What do you know about the Bruins this year? 2989 02:14:28.239 --> 02:14:31.159 Yeah, well, coaching chains last year, of course, they made 2990 02:14:31.159 --> 02:14:33.319 the switch over to the Big ten and took some 2991 02:14:33.399 --> 02:14:35.800 lumps early in the year, started out one and six 2992 02:14:35.840 --> 02:14:37.760 out of the Gate. They did notch a couple of 2993 02:14:37.800 --> 02:14:39.960 big wins in the back half of the year. They 2994 02:14:40.039 --> 02:14:42.119 beat Rutgers, who was a strong team at the time, 2995 02:14:42.359 --> 02:14:45.319 beat Nebraska, beat Iowa, so they got close to bull 2996 02:14:45.319 --> 02:14:48.920 eligibility there last year. But they really were rated by 2997 02:14:48.920 --> 02:14:50.800 the transfer portal this year. I don't know if that's 2998 02:14:50.840 --> 02:14:55.159 a lack of booster support or funding or whatever, but 2999 02:14:55.319 --> 02:14:57.880 a lot of starters departed from UCLA, and of course 3000 02:14:57.920 --> 02:15:00.840 they'll cover it up with the big headliner at quarterback. 3001 02:15:00.880 --> 02:15:03.640 They went out and got Nico after the Tennessee Nico 3002 02:15:03.720 --> 02:15:06.920 drama in April, as the former five star quarterback, one 3003 02:15:06.920 --> 02:15:09.399 of the biggest NIL deals in history when he originally 3004 02:15:09.399 --> 02:15:13.079 signed with Tennessee. So yes, they got the headliner, but 3005 02:15:13.159 --> 02:15:15.760 a lot of other guys, starters in the offensive line, 3006 02:15:15.800 --> 02:15:19.199 the receiver room, were proached by other power forward programs. 3007 02:15:19.199 --> 02:15:21.000 So I see a team that's going to be stuck 3008 02:15:21.000 --> 02:15:24.039 towards the bottom of the Big ten. I see that 3009 02:15:24.079 --> 02:15:27.000 line opened up around a touchdown. I believe in Utah's favor. 3010 02:15:27.039 --> 02:15:29.439 I would like that if that holds, because I just 3011 02:15:29.439 --> 02:15:31.880 don't see UCLA really contending. 3012 02:15:31.479 --> 02:15:32.239 For much this year. 3013 02:15:33.439 --> 02:15:37.239 Utah's opening Big twelve game is Texas Tech, and you 3014 02:15:37.359 --> 02:15:39.439 referenced this when I asked you about your tier one 3015 02:15:39.600 --> 02:15:44.520 in the Big twelve. How real will this nil effect 3016 02:15:44.600 --> 02:15:47.760 be when it comes to not just the interim, but 3017 02:15:47.800 --> 02:15:50.159 do you feel like they're building something that Big twelve 3018 02:15:50.199 --> 02:15:51.680 teams need to look around and be a little bit 3019 02:15:51.720 --> 02:15:52.239 concerned about. 3020 02:15:52.279 --> 02:15:54.079 I mean the money that's being thrown around down there. 3021 02:15:54.119 --> 02:15:57.159 I asked coach went about it during Big twelve media days, 3022 02:15:57.199 --> 02:15:59.079 and like every other coach, he said, well, it would 3023 02:15:59.079 --> 02:16:01.680 be nice to be, you know, to have that type 3024 02:16:02.159 --> 02:16:06.439 of advantage, but how real will that investment manifest itself 3025 02:16:06.479 --> 02:16:08.640 both this year and then years to come as far 3026 02:16:08.640 --> 02:16:10.239 as what they're doing down in Texas Tech? 3027 02:16:11.319 --> 02:16:13.319 Yeah, well it's two different parts here. I think for 3028 02:16:13.399 --> 02:16:16.319 twenty twenty five, that is a question, and similar to 3029 02:16:16.359 --> 02:16:18.600 echo a coach, Witz said. When I'm talking to other 3030 02:16:18.640 --> 02:16:20.840 Big twelve head coaches and coordinators, they bring up the 3031 02:16:20.880 --> 02:16:23.960 Texas Tech situation and they're blown away by the raw 3032 02:16:24.039 --> 02:16:26.439 talent coming in. But the big question that they all 3033 02:16:26.479 --> 02:16:29.119 had was how quickly can it gel? You know, there's 3034 02:16:29.119 --> 02:16:31.720 a lot of new personalities coming in. They all want 3035 02:16:31.720 --> 02:16:35.319 their starts, their nil money. It's a pretty big experiment, 3036 02:16:35.440 --> 02:16:36.840 so I can't wait to keep an eye on that 3037 02:16:36.920 --> 02:16:39.520 this year. I think it's fascinating a program that really 3038 02:16:39.520 --> 02:16:42.360 hasn't had much success over the long haul of college football, 3039 02:16:42.399 --> 02:16:45.239 so you know, a little one year window to really 3040 02:16:45.239 --> 02:16:48.440 break through. But in terms of staying power going forward, 3041 02:16:48.440 --> 02:16:50.440 I think they're going to remain a player. When you 3042 02:16:50.479 --> 02:16:53.399 take Oklahoma and Texas out of the traditional Big twelve 3043 02:16:53.399 --> 02:16:55.479 foot print, of course they were the two giants. Now 3044 02:16:55.479 --> 02:16:58.079 they're in the SEC you throw them out. It's actually 3045 02:16:58.200 --> 02:17:01.399 Texas Tech and TCU are the top five year recruiters, 3046 02:17:01.479 --> 02:17:05.079 Utah third, So that's really your top three of consistent recruiters. 3047 02:17:05.280 --> 02:17:07.399 They were already up there. Now you're going to layer 3048 02:17:07.479 --> 02:17:09.239 in all this big oil money and you know they're 3049 02:17:09.239 --> 02:17:11.920 going to just continue to acquire these massive classes. I 3050 02:17:11.920 --> 02:17:13.440 saw they just signed a five star a couple of 3051 02:17:13.479 --> 02:17:16.280 days ago in the twenty twenty six class. So it's 3052 02:17:16.319 --> 02:17:19.319 continuing and this might be a you know, a test 3053 02:17:19.319 --> 02:17:21.840 of proof of concept this year, but I think it's 3054 02:17:21.840 --> 02:17:22.799 going to stay a while. 3055 02:17:22.840 --> 02:17:26.120 In Texas Tech, Utah gets Colorado here in saut Lake 3056 02:17:26.239 --> 02:17:29.440 Rise Ecles of course, no Shador, no Travis Hunter. They're 3057 02:17:29.479 --> 02:17:32.639 both in the NFL. What are you expecting from Dion's 3058 02:17:32.639 --> 02:17:35.239 group this year? Another big twelve team Utah has here 3059 02:17:35.239 --> 02:17:35.799 in Salt Lake. 3060 02:17:37.120 --> 02:17:39.639 Well, they lose two of their biggest stars of all time, 3061 02:17:39.680 --> 02:17:42.680 and obviously with Shader Sanders the quarterback going pro, their 3062 02:17:42.719 --> 02:17:45.600 Heisman winner Travis Hunter going pro. But I think they 3063 02:17:45.639 --> 02:17:48.760 still remained strong in some spots. I like their defensive line. 3064 02:17:48.920 --> 02:17:51.360 Their pass rush was really strong last year. That's going 3065 02:17:51.440 --> 02:17:52.600 to remain stout. 3066 02:17:53.040 --> 02:17:53.840 The receiver group. 3067 02:17:53.920 --> 02:17:56.360 I know they lost pretty much their whole four sum 3068 02:17:56.360 --> 02:17:58.959 of starters, but brought in a couple of nice pieces 3069 02:17:58.959 --> 02:18:01.000 and now the recruiting at a better level than they used to, 3070 02:18:01.159 --> 02:18:04.319 so they still have firepower at certain positions. It's going 3071 02:18:04.399 --> 02:18:06.799 to come down to a quarterback, whether Caden Salter, the 3072 02:18:06.920 --> 02:18:10.680 former Liberty quarterback, if he can continue to have success 3073 02:18:10.719 --> 02:18:13.920 at the college level here at Colorado new offense, or 3074 02:18:13.920 --> 02:18:15.399 if they're going to turn it over to a five 3075 02:18:15.399 --> 02:18:19.079 star freshman Julian Lewis. So that's the question at quarterback. 3076 02:18:19.120 --> 02:18:22.680 There was the off season drama whether coach Sanders would return, 3077 02:18:22.799 --> 02:18:24.520 and thankfully he's in good health. 3078 02:18:24.360 --> 02:18:25.120 And we'll be back. 3079 02:18:25.360 --> 02:18:27.959 So that's great. But I don't see them contending for 3080 02:18:28.000 --> 02:18:29.719 the conference. I see them down there. I have them 3081 02:18:29.799 --> 02:18:33.040 ninth in the Big Twelve. Still a solid team. They'll 3082 02:18:33.079 --> 02:18:35.520 be tested, but I think you Tall will take care 3083 02:18:35.559 --> 02:18:36.280 of business there. 3084 02:18:36.760 --> 02:18:38.639 Last I want to ask you about one more Big 3085 02:18:38.680 --> 02:18:40.639 Twelve team, brother, then I'll set you loose. 3086 02:18:40.680 --> 02:18:41.760 And now that that's Baylor. 3087 02:18:41.879 --> 02:18:44.159 You know Dave Randa, I felt like he was coaching 3088 02:18:44.159 --> 02:18:46.799 for his job last year, and he good coach. I mean, 3089 02:18:46.840 --> 02:18:48.680 we had some local ties and you've had him on 3090 02:18:48.719 --> 02:18:49.440 the show before. 3091 02:18:49.760 --> 02:18:52.200 It's a road game for Utah this year near the 3092 02:18:52.319 --> 02:18:53.040 end of the year. 3093 02:18:53.639 --> 02:18:56.120 So I feel like Baylor is one of these schools 3094 02:18:56.120 --> 02:18:57.959 in the Big Twelve that a lot of people really 3095 02:18:58.040 --> 02:18:59.399 like and a lot of people are kind of like. 3096 02:18:59.440 --> 02:19:00.959 I guess we'll kind of wait and see. What's the 3097 02:19:01.559 --> 02:19:04.239 ret siance prediction for the Baylor Bears this year? 3098 02:19:05.079 --> 02:19:07.440 Yeah, Well, Baylor, they figured it out a couple games 3099 02:19:07.479 --> 02:19:10.040 in last year. They started out with a different quarterback. 3100 02:19:10.079 --> 02:19:12.159 He was a Toledo or a mac transfer at the 3101 02:19:12.280 --> 02:19:15.840 Kwan Finn it wasn't clicking. They make a quarterback change 3102 02:19:16.120 --> 02:19:19.079 about six games in the Sawyer Robertson and at all flips. 3103 02:19:19.280 --> 02:19:21.879 They end up winning six straight games. They rallied to 3104 02:19:21.920 --> 02:19:24.239 a nice bowl, almost beat LSU in that bowl game, 3105 02:19:24.440 --> 02:19:26.559 but really really searched towards the end of the year. 3106 02:19:26.840 --> 02:19:28.959 But the catch is that they get everybody back. I mean, 3107 02:19:28.959 --> 02:19:30.920 this is one of the most veteran teams in America, 3108 02:19:31.600 --> 02:19:34.360 top twenty in returning production on both sides of the ball, 3109 02:19:34.520 --> 02:19:37.840 which is really rare nowadays with the transfer portal all 3110 02:19:37.920 --> 02:19:40.399 that movement. So I see a really solid team here. 3111 02:19:40.440 --> 02:19:42.760 I mean I have them seventeenth in the country. The 3112 02:19:42.799 --> 02:19:45.840 offense is going to remain strong. Question is defense, But 3113 02:19:45.959 --> 02:19:48.399 you guys know David Randa, He's a defensive genius. So 3114 02:19:48.719 --> 02:19:50.639 I think with a more veteran team this year on 3115 02:19:50.680 --> 02:19:52.840 that side of the ball, he'll make it work. So 3116 02:19:52.920 --> 02:19:55.399 I like Baylor. I almost picked him to win the conference. 3117 02:19:55.639 --> 02:19:59.159 I've got them seventeenth nationally and I have them over 3118 02:19:59.200 --> 02:20:01.079 seven and a half. This is actually my best bet 3119 02:20:01.079 --> 02:20:02.079 of the year if you're looking at that. 3120 02:20:02.280 --> 02:20:03.319 So I like them. 3121 02:20:03.360 --> 02:20:04.200 It's gonna be a tough. 3122 02:20:04.079 --> 02:20:05.319 Test for you to Brett. 3123 02:20:05.319 --> 02:20:06.920 Where can people go find your work, Bud? 3124 02:20:08.079 --> 02:20:08.639 And I thank you. 3125 02:20:08.760 --> 02:20:08.959 Yeah. 3126 02:20:09.000 --> 02:20:11.239 Pick Sixpreviews dot com. It's the only place you can 3127 02:20:11.280 --> 02:20:13.639 find the magazine and we have it in digital format 3128 02:20:13.879 --> 02:20:16.200 and hard copy. You buy the hard copy. We gave 3129 02:20:16.239 --> 02:20:18.440 the digital as well, and then we have the Pick 3130 02:20:18.520 --> 02:20:21.159 six plus if you're looking for in season stats updated 3131 02:20:21.200 --> 02:20:24.559 every week. 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