Speaker 1: All right, let's get it drives on Monday afternoon, ten
Speaker 1: minutes past the hour of two o'clock. The weather is great.
Speaker 1: It was great all weekend. It's about eighty two degrees
Speaker 1: and sunny. You can feel it. You guys felt it
Speaker 1: over the weekend. Didn't you fall? Us on the way?
Speaker 1: College football is on the way? NFL preseason Week one
Speaker 1: in the books. We've got a scrimmage for the University
Speaker 1: of Utah to talk about. We've got some sound from practice.
Speaker 1: Coach Wit and some players talking about the first two
Speaker 1: weeks of camp Kyle as Utah continues to prepare for
Speaker 1: their opener coming up in Man just under three weeks now.
Speaker 2: We know right around the corner.
Speaker 1: And you could kind of feel the weather turn a
Speaker 1: little bit this weekend.
Speaker 2: Couldn't you felt good out there?
Speaker 1: BYU with a scrimmage this weekend as well, both BYU
Speaker 1: and Utah scrimmage number one of training camp. So, of course,
Speaker 1: the storyline down in Provo continues to be who will
Speaker 1: be under center? Aaron Roderick a little feisty, little spicy
Speaker 1: after their scrimmage, talking about how sloppy the offense looked,
Speaker 1: and at the University of Utah. No questions about who
Speaker 1: QB one is, maybe some questions about QB two, some
Speaker 1: questions about that wide receiver room captains have been announced.
Speaker 1: We'll get into that on the show today. And we
Speaker 1: have a new poll. It's pollseason, guys. You know that
Speaker 1: prior to the starter college football we overreact to nebulous, mundane,
Speaker 1: unnecessary things like AP polls and coaches polls and such.
Speaker 1: But we do have the preseason College Football EP Poll.
Speaker 1: Neither Utah or BYU making a cut as far as
Speaker 1: the top twenty five goes both right on the outside
Speaker 1: looking in. So we'll kind of review that on the
Speaker 1: show today and get you ready for Utah football. Gets
Speaker 1: you ready for Big twelve Football BYU Football.
Speaker 2: Utah State.
Speaker 1: We'll open up against UTAP all three of our in
Speaker 1: state teams opening up on the thirtieth, So fun Saturday,
Speaker 1: just a couple of Saturdays away and Big twelve football
Speaker 1: college football right around the corner. As I reference Week
Speaker 1: one of the NFL preseason in the books, a lot
Speaker 1: of local players either trying to make teams or trying
Speaker 1: to make positional matchups going their favor. We saw Zach
Speaker 1: Wilson on the field for Miami looked pretty good. Tyler
Speaker 1: Huntley in backup duty for Cleveland after shad Or Sanders
Speaker 1: had a very nice preseason debut, leading the Cleveland Browns
Speaker 1: on three different touchdown drives. Jackson Dart with a really
Speaker 1: good game for the Giants. A lot of buzz around
Speaker 1: Jackson Dart back.
Speaker 2: In New York in the.
Speaker 1: Tri state area, so a lot of football to get
Speaker 1: to on the program today. RSL fans not happy today.
Speaker 1: RSL brass coaches front office not thrilled about the officiating
Speaker 1: in New York over the weekend. I guess technically New
Speaker 1: Jersey is where the New York Red Bulls played soccer.
Speaker 1: RSL took a one mill lead in the third minute
Speaker 1: Gozo got his third goal of the season, but it
Speaker 1: was two goals from New York in the second half,
Speaker 1: won via a very questionable penalty kick after Diego Luna
Speaker 1: was very questionably sent off for a second yellow.
Speaker 2: There was just so bad.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 1: The silver lining is Diego looks hired and so he's
Speaker 1: gonna get the week off. RSL travels to Charlotte coming
Speaker 1: up this weekend for another road tilt. As a result
Speaker 1: of the loss over the weekend and some of the
Speaker 1: results it didn't go their way. RSL on the wrong
Speaker 1: side now of the MLS playoff line. Hopefully they can
Speaker 1: get the old tunesa kid ready to roll with his work,
Speaker 1: visa and healthy and into the lineup. Rawan Cruz has
Speaker 1: played a couple of matches now, so little RSL on
Speaker 1: the program. Probably the most quiet time of the calendar
Speaker 1: for the offseason in the NBA. There's still a little
Speaker 1: bit of news and a little bit of buzz surrounding
Speaker 1: a couple of big names.
Speaker 2: Another rumor surrounding Giannis today.
Speaker 1: I don't know that that is anything that is going
Speaker 1: to go down, but Jonathan Kaminga hasn't signed. There some
Speaker 1: pretty good players in pro basketball still looking for homes.
Speaker 1: I'm not sure that the Jazz are gonna make any
Speaker 1: other moves after bringing back the mini van last week.
Speaker 1: George Yang will be back in Salt Ake playing some
Speaker 1: basketball for the Jazz coming up next year.
Speaker 2: So not a ton of NBA storylines.
Speaker 1: We do have opening night schedules, we do have Christmas
Speaker 1: Day schedules. We're still a few weeks away from getting
Speaker 1: the actual schedule, so mostly college and pro football right now.
Speaker 2: A little bit of RSL for the local flavor and.
Speaker 1: If anything comes down in the world of pro basketball
Speaker 1: with the Utah Jazz, of course we'll bring that to you.
Speaker 1: So a lot to do on the show today. Good
Speaker 1: to have you guys with us. Happy Monday. I if
Speaker 1: you had a great weekend and are off to a
Speaker 1: good start to that work week. Got a fun week
Speaker 1: plan for you guys a couple remotes. I'll be at
Speaker 1: the Red Zone store up on campus on Wednesday, getting
Speaker 1: you guys ready for game day. We have our Utah
Speaker 1: football welcome party coming up on Wednesday here at the station.
Speaker 1: So excited for that. And we'll be out in about
Speaker 1: a little bit on the program leading up to football season,
Speaker 1: which is a fun time of year in the market.
Speaker 1: All right, Our first guest today the Wall of the
Speaker 1: Wasatch Hall of Famer Nick Rimando stops bot. He's doing
Speaker 1: some coaching for the RSL Academy kids. We'll get Nicky's
Speaker 1: take on Ratha Cabral channeling his inner Nick Rimando with
Speaker 1: some penalty kick saves. Cabral had another one on Sunday
Speaker 1: against New York Fox and MARSL. And then see what
Speaker 1: Nicky has going on with a special Cause in our community.
Speaker 1: We'll tell you about on the program.
Speaker 2: Today.
Speaker 1: Our friend from KSL Amy Donaldson, joins me live and studio.
Speaker 1: We'll get the update on what Amy has going on.
Speaker 2: We'll do some.
Speaker 1: Local sports, college football, maybe a little Utah Mammoth, whatever
Speaker 1: else Amy has going on today, we'll bring her in.
Speaker 1: We have a lot of sound from practice, and this
Speaker 1: time of year typically we launch in a lot of
Speaker 1: our practice sounds, so you guys can kind of understand
Speaker 1: the tone and tenor where Utah football is at just
Speaker 1: a few days away. Honestly, we're kind of counting down
Speaker 1: the days now for Utah football to open up at
Speaker 1: the Rose Bowl against UCLA. So we'll bring you some
Speaker 1: practice sound today. Then our friend Brett Siancia from Pick
Speaker 1: six Previews, who's a really fun football mind to talk
Speaker 1: about prior to the start of these college football games.
Speaker 1: As we're kind of getting there, he'll stop by today
Speaker 1: later on in the four o'clock hour. So Nick Rimando,
Speaker 1: Amy Donaldson, a little sound from practice, Brett Cianca Picked
Speaker 1: six Previews, Me Spence Check, it's all of you, the
Speaker 1: great listeners, and that guy Porter Larson. On a Monday afternoon,
Speaker 1: so less than three weeks a we can now actually
Speaker 1: get into it. Say, we are days away from the
Speaker 1: start now of college football. I don't tell you what
Speaker 1: this weekend. If you went outside, and I know you did,
Speaker 1: you sampled some lovely spring water. According to your social channels,
Speaker 1: you could feel at this weekend, couldn't you. This is
Speaker 1: the first weekend where you're like, Okay, it's still really
Speaker 1: nice and warm, but falls right around the corner.
Speaker 4: Yeah, there was a there was a little tinge of
Speaker 4: fall in the air, and you mentioned that I got
Speaker 4: out this weekend. I regret to inform you I saw
Speaker 4: some yellow leaves high country. Yeah. That means we're officially
Speaker 4: starting to turn the clock. As you know, when you're
Speaker 4: just days away from Utah football, fall is fall is
Speaker 4: just around the corner, but starting to take shape things
Speaker 4: at fall camp, right, You're starting to hear a little
Speaker 4: more finality to some of the position groups, some of
Speaker 4: the talk around, some of the questions of the offseason,
Speaker 4: and uh, just in time, because like you said, we're
Speaker 4: within three weeks from football, and Kyle and co. Are
Speaker 4: not quite halfway done, but just about just about halfway
Speaker 4: done with ful.
Speaker 2: Kim no doubt.
Speaker 1: Week three of camp Kyle began today up on the Hill.
Speaker 1: Bring us some sound and some media reaction from that
Speaker 1: coming up in the four o'clock hour. But Nick Romanda
Speaker 1: will be our first guest before Nikki stops by courtesy
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Speaker 1: As we are preparing for games, we like to react
Speaker 1: to polls, and obviously, if you pay attention to the sport,
Speaker 1: you know that the AP poll typically carries a lot
Speaker 1: more weight than the AFCA coaches pulled the USA Today,
Speaker 1: coaches pull whatever you want to call it that was
Speaker 1: released last Monday. It more or less is an unserious endeavor.
Speaker 1: More often than not. As we've talked about last week,
Speaker 1: these are head coaches that are basically, you know, sourcing
Speaker 1: this stuff out to sids and other people. Some coaches
Speaker 1: have never even filled the thing out. Other coaches have
Speaker 1: done on once or twice. And there are other coaches
Speaker 1: on record, as our buddy Kyle Bonnagurro told us last
Speaker 1: week to say, they typically look at what the media
Speaker 1: is doing anyway and just kind of carbon copy it.
Speaker 1: Coaches are busy, they don't time to dig into like
Speaker 1: you know, the k State two deep juxtapposed to Indiana
Speaker 1: or whatever. They've got their own program to run. So
Speaker 1: the AP Top twenty five pool is typically one to
Speaker 1: look out with a little bit more of a serious,
Speaker 1: serious tone. I was surprised to learn that Texas is
Speaker 1: your AP number one team for the first time in
Speaker 1: program history. I mean that is a blue, blue, blue
Speaker 1: blood college football program that's had a lot of success
Speaker 1: over a number of different years, multiple national championships and such.
Speaker 2: But they find themselves.
Speaker 1: Steve Sarkisian and Arch Mannion found themselves atop the AP
Speaker 1: twenty five pole out one.
Speaker 2: Penn State, who is your favorite to win the Big Ten?
Speaker 1: Comes in at two, followed by Ohio State at three,
Speaker 1: Clemson at four, and Georgia at five. Now a little
Speaker 1: bit of a difference between the AP and the coaches
Speaker 1: coaches when Texas, Ohio State, Penn State, Georgia, Notre Dame,
Speaker 1: Notre Dame comes in at six. For the AP, both
Speaker 1: polls had Oregon at seven, Bama at eight, LSU at nine,
Speaker 1: Miami at ten. Arizona State, just like in the coaches poll,
Speaker 1: comes in at a eleven. They are your highest ranked
Speaker 1: Big twelve team. Other Big twelve teams of note, case
Speaker 1: State was twentieth and the coaches pulled They're seventeen. In
Speaker 1: the AP poll, you're looking at Iowa State of twenty two,
Speaker 1: Texas Tech and that new oil money roster infused with
Speaker 1: a lot of talent comes into twenty three, and both
Speaker 1: BYU and Utah barely on the outside looking in, but
Speaker 1: they're right next to each other. So Boise State is
Speaker 1: the final team in the top twenty five and then
Speaker 1: BYU would be twenty six, Utah would be twenty seven. Okay,
Speaker 1: BYU did make it in the top twenty five for
Speaker 1: the coaches pull at twenty three. Utah would have been
Speaker 1: thirtieth in the coaches poll based off of others receiving votes.
Speaker 1: So as far as the ap goes, not as high
Speaker 1: on BYU, but higher on Utah, which is interesting. So
Speaker 1: both teams, both BYU and Utah football scrimmage won over
Speaker 1: the weekend.
Speaker 2: After the first two weeks of fall camp.
Speaker 1: Brigham Young still has not decided on a quarterback, and
Speaker 1: Aaron Rod in front of the show stops by a
Speaker 1: couple times throughout the course of the college football season.
Speaker 1: I was a little more spicy than we typically see
Speaker 1: a Rod during camp. He kind of bemoaned how sloppy
Speaker 1: the offense was. Now, both these programs, I find this
Speaker 1: kind of interesting, and this is a little bit of
Speaker 1: a paradigm shift. If you're a BYU fan and this
Speaker 1: is as a result of Kalani Satake cutting his teeth
Speaker 1: under coach with this is a defense first program.
Speaker 2: Now, just like you, Tayas, BYU's the same.
Speaker 1: These were the top two scoring defenses in the Big
Speaker 1: twelve a year ago. BYU is the number thirteenth rated
Speaker 1: overall defense in the entire country.
Speaker 2: They return a great linebacking corps.
Speaker 1: We know the deal with Kiano Toadavasa, you know, essentially
Speaker 1: transferring down to Provo. I don't know if you guys
Speaker 1: heard about that, you fans, you may have caught win
Speaker 1: of that. So just like here in Sau Lake, now,
Speaker 1: oftentimes when these scrimmages are held, it's pretty one sided.
Speaker 1: And if you listened to Kilani and a Rod after
Speaker 1: BYU scrimmage, number one, defense dominated the entire thing.
Speaker 2: It feels like there's a little bit of momentum.
Speaker 1: As far as naming the top two quarterbacks, it looks
Speaker 1: like it's gonna be McKay Hillstead and the bear Bachmeyer kid,
Speaker 1: the freshman who played a little bit at Stanford. A
Speaker 1: Rod wanted bear Bachmeyer out of high school badly. But
Speaker 1: it looks like maybe Trayson Borgaeo is going to be
Speaker 1: the odd man out of this race. But we are
Speaker 1: less than three weeks away from game day, and as
Speaker 1: Jason Beck talked about last week, it's time to game plan. Specifically,
Speaker 1: if you're Utah, it's time to put in the UCLA
Speaker 1: game plan. And if you're BYU, yeah it's Portland State,
Speaker 1: but you've got to figure it out.
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 1: Like, I don't think it matters who's under center against
Speaker 1: Portland State. You could probably play a quarter, you know,
Speaker 1: a running back under center and still get that win.
Speaker 1: But at this point, when it comes to that position,
Speaker 1: you have to have a better idea of where you're
Speaker 1: at than I feel like BYU does. Now, is there
Speaker 1: a chance they know who the starter is?
Speaker 3: Sure?
Speaker 2: There is?
Speaker 1: And a Rod and Kalani today, according to sources, have
Speaker 1: decided they are going to wait until game day to
Speaker 1: announce it publicly, which I think oftentimes is silly. We've
Speaker 1: been over this with both Utah and BYU, this clandestine
Speaker 1: approach to like injuries and the ambiguity surrounding your roster
Speaker 1: about who's going to play and who is and I
Speaker 1: don't find that to be a competitive advantage. I'm not
Speaker 1: a college football coach, and that is a topic that's
Speaker 1: been highly debated, so we'll see what happens. And of
Speaker 1: course that's probably the biggest storyline in state when it
Speaker 1: comes to our local college football teams, because if you
Speaker 1: do not have a quarterback that you like, you might
Speaker 1: as well not even kick off. Now, for Utah side
Speaker 1: of things, it's nice that we know that the job
Speaker 1: is Devon's as far as the race to be his backup,
Speaker 1: I feel like every time coach Becker Coach Wit are
Speaker 1: asked about that position, they have a lot of really
Speaker 1: nice things to say about the bird fickling kid who
Speaker 1: probably plays a little bit more like Devin than Isaac does.
Speaker 1: Does that play into his favor? Bird is known as
Speaker 1: a little bit more of a dual threat. Isaac can
Speaker 1: run a bit. It's not like he is a Peyton
Speaker 1: Manning type pocket quarterback. You can't get out of the
Speaker 1: pocket if he needs to. We've seen Isaac escape before.
Speaker 1: It's not like he can't do that. But that's a
Speaker 1: race to watch out for. The running back race though,
Speaker 1: and you'll hear from Coach Wood in the four o'clock hour.
Speaker 1: We all thought that job was wayshants and it probably
Speaker 1: still is. But you know, a running back room now
Speaker 1: by committee essentially, and look, that's not a bad thing.
Speaker 1: I don't think that's a knock on anybody. I think
Speaker 1: you want a crowded running back room with a lot
Speaker 1: of different options.
Speaker 2: The wide receivers, you know, both Coach Waiting.
Speaker 1: Coach back kind of alluded to the fact they feel
Speaker 1: good about their top seven. There are seventeen wide receivers
Speaker 1: on the roster. There's only one wide receiver that has
Speaker 1: more than thirty career catches. Okay, so that's one of
Speaker 1: the reasons why I continue to be a little bit
Speaker 1: skeptical about exactly what this offense is going to look like.
Speaker 2: I know there's a lot of hope.
Speaker 1: Devin named the Newcomer of the Year in the Big Twelve,
Speaker 1: and I feel like there's a lot of optimism about
Speaker 1: what that could look like. But simply because I haven't
Speaker 1: seen it and I'm unfamiliar with the schemes, I'm unfamiliar
Speaker 1: with the talent. I will continue to say observation, not conclusion. Certainly,
Speaker 1: during the non conference portion of Utah schedule, which includes
Speaker 1: winnable games, all three of them should be winnable games.
Speaker 1: Both Utah and BYU have a pretty soft non non
Speaker 1: con schedule this year. Utah at UCLA, they host cal Pauly,
Speaker 1: then they'll be up for the Porter Larson Bowl in
Speaker 1: Lara meet to take on the Wyoming Cowboys. Utah in
Speaker 1: BYU should interconference plan defeated, And if you look at
Speaker 1: the way BYU schedule shapes up, there's a legitimate shot
Speaker 1: that they're six and oh heading into the Utah game
Speaker 1: and Provo. So it's Portland State at Stanford East Carolina
Speaker 1: an unserious non con endeavor, It's at Colorado. A ton
Speaker 1: of question marks about Dion's team this year. West Virginia
Speaker 1: is probably one of the three worst teams in the
Speaker 1: Big Twelve, and Brett Brennan is coaching for his job
Speaker 1: this year down at Arizona. No a fafeed is back,
Speaker 1: but defensively there were a sieve. There's a good chance
Speaker 1: that BYU is six and oh entering game week for
Speaker 1: Utah in Provo, and Utah's task is a little bit tougher.
Speaker 1: Utah has one of the top three toughest schedules in
Speaker 1: the Big twelve. BYU has one of the bottom three
Speaker 1: toughest schedules in the Big Twelve. After the non con
Speaker 1: Utah will host Texas Tech, a team that a lot
Speaker 1: of people are very very curious about because of this
Speaker 1: infusion of money and this infusion of talent on the roster.
Speaker 1: They're at West Virginia and Morgantown, which should be a win,
Speaker 1: but then they get Arizona State at home. Utah has
Speaker 1: two of the best teams in the conference in their
Speaker 1: first three conference games. The good news both those games
Speaker 1: are rice cycles here in Salt Lake, and then we
Speaker 1: see what Utah and BYU have against each other down
Speaker 1: in Provo after the ASU game.
Speaker 2: So fun time of year.
Speaker 1: Still some question marks on both rosters with some positional battles,
Speaker 1: but we are getting close to game day.
Speaker 2: Another honor for Spencer Fano.
Speaker 1: Today, Chris Lowe named ESPN's All American Team for this
Speaker 1: is All of College Football All American Team ESPN, Spencer
Speaker 1: Fano is your first team All American offensive tackle and
Speaker 1: he's the only player I believe in the Big twelve
Speaker 1: to make the team. So another nice kind of just
Speaker 1: you know, honor for Spencer Fano, who is not like
Speaker 1: he needs any more. It's kind of been the spring
Speaker 1: slash summer Spencer Fano as he shot up a lot
Speaker 1: of draft wars. He was also named a captain today
Speaker 1: along with his brother Lander Barton is also going to
Speaker 1: be a captain. I think, Kyle, I believe it was
Speaker 1: Caleb who got the final nod. I think it was
Speaker 1: two offensive linemen, a defensive lineman, and yeah, Jared Kump
Speaker 1: is who it was.
Speaker 2: So there you go, there you go.
Speaker 1: So no, Devin Dampierre a little surprised there, but Utah
Speaker 1: football naming their four captains today.
Speaker 2: As we're getting ready for the season.
Speaker 1: We got our friend Amy Donaldson from ksl's going to
Speaker 1: join us live in the studio to talk about here
Speaker 1: are two different local sports topics. We'll do some college
Speaker 1: football Namy and see what her latest projects are.
Speaker 2: Are formulating through.
Speaker 1: Right now, we've got Brett Ciancia from Pick six Previews.
Speaker 1: We'll bring you some sound from Utah football practices. We're
Speaker 1: nineteen days away from Utah and UCLA. Ironically enough, speaking
Speaker 1: of Ucla, we have a former Bruin.
Speaker 2: On the show.
Speaker 1: You guys know him as the Wall of the Wassatch,
Speaker 1: the Goat Hall of Famer Nick Romando. Monday Afternoon, NICKI
Speaker 1: Happy Monday man.
Speaker 2: How you doing, Spens?
Speaker 6: What's going on, doing great, doing great. How are you doing, man.
Speaker 1: O, good buddy, I appreciate your time. Do you stay
Speaker 1: connected to UCLA at all? Are you a basketball football fan?
Speaker 1: You stay connected your alma mater.
Speaker 6: I mean, I wouldn't say stay connected connected, but I
Speaker 6: definitely looking at the score, seeing how they're doing. Obviously,
Speaker 6: my son's a big hooper, so we pay attention to
Speaker 6: the basketball team more so, but always love when the
Speaker 6: Bruins win.
Speaker 2: Wait, your boys, uh, your boys a basketball player?
Speaker 6: Huh yeah, he's a He's a big hooper. That's his sport.
Speaker 6: I mean, obviously, you know he loves soccer and he
Speaker 6: plays for his high school, but his main sport is basketball.
Speaker 6: So going into a senior year at East and and uh,
Speaker 6: it's really been fun to watch him and growing in
Speaker 6: the in the sport and see how happy he is
Speaker 6: on the court, and and uh yeah, I'm just really
Speaker 6: looking forward to a senior year.
Speaker 1: I can't believe that that kid's a senior. I remember
Speaker 1: him running around following you when you were playing for
Speaker 1: ourself back in the day. He's a senior, that's wild.
Speaker 6: Nick, don't blink your eyes. I know, man, daughter's gonna
Speaker 6: be a sophomore. My son's a senior, So yeah, I'm
Speaker 6: in it. This is a fun time for me.
Speaker 2: That's amazing.
Speaker 1: Hey, I wanted to start out with your thoughts on
Speaker 1: watching Rafa Cabral this year. You know, during the league's
Speaker 1: cup run, there was a little Now, I this is
Speaker 1: kind of sacrilege because you did this at a high
Speaker 1: level for a number of years and you guys lifted
Speaker 1: a cup, but there was a little romando field to
Speaker 1: kind of the way. He was stepping up in big
Speaker 1: moments during pks and he's the only player on the
Speaker 1: team that has played every.
Speaker 2: Minute this year. What what?
Speaker 7: What?
Speaker 1: What are your thoughts watching Cabral play for RSL this
Speaker 1: year exceeded expectations.
Speaker 6: I am a big, big fan of Rafa. He showed
Speaker 6: up not only in the field. You guys don't see
Speaker 6: all this stuff. You know that I see, you know
Speaker 6: the training ground and you know in the locker room
Speaker 6: at the gym. He's a real leader at the squad.
Speaker 6: He's obviously putting the work on the field, showing up,
Speaker 6: making the big says like you said in that first
Speaker 6: game against Club America, coming up big in the PK shootout.
Speaker 6: But just this presence back there, his calmn to the
Speaker 6: back line, and obviously you need a goalkeeper to make
Speaker 6: the big safe for you here and there too. But
Speaker 6: a big fan of Rafa another p case that last
Speaker 6: night against New York, But I don't think he could
Speaker 6: do any more for the club. He's been lights out
Speaker 6: for me so now.
Speaker 1: Obviously the result didn't go to the club's way yesterday,
Speaker 1: but overall the form has been so much better, Nick,
Speaker 1: I think they're you know, they have two losses in
Speaker 1: the last eleven, you know, some draws here there, and
Speaker 1: of course that does include the league's cup run. But
Speaker 1: a nice win over Club America, one of the powerhouse
Speaker 1: clubs in this region, kind of felt like a road
Speaker 1: game in a way. But why do you think the
Speaker 1: club has turned it around? What do you most attribute
Speaker 1: the better form too?
Speaker 6: I think it's sometimes it takes a little time to
Speaker 6: get on the same page. Obviously it's later in the
Speaker 6: season now, but guys are finding their rhythm. Guys are performing,
Speaker 6: you know, better now. And you know, obviously Diego's having
Speaker 6: a highlight year and the confidence that kid has is
Speaker 6: matched and you know, hopefully you know this weekend and Charlotte,
Speaker 6: we get a three points to get back into that
Speaker 6: playoff position. But I see him every day their training sessions,
Speaker 6: and the guys are putting in the work, you know,
Speaker 6: as we're getting better, every every other team in this
Speaker 6: league's getting better too, So we just got to keep pushing.
Speaker 1: Tell me how it's been for you to witness this
Speaker 1: rise for Diego and as somebody who wants upon a
Speaker 1: time kind of had a similar rise, you know, through
Speaker 1: Gold Cup run and then you solidified a spot with
Speaker 1: the national team and you played in a World Cup,
Speaker 1: and you know, it's been fun to kind of watch
Speaker 1: people around the country notice what we've seen from him
Speaker 1: over the past couple of years. But what stands out
Speaker 1: most about the way he's risen up this year, NICKI.
Speaker 6: For me, he's got that dog mentality. He's out there fighting,
Speaker 6: he's said in the press, he's scoring goals, He's doing
Speaker 6: it on both sides of the ball on the pitch,
Speaker 6: and he's just he's a fan favorite. You could see
Speaker 6: you turn on social media or the TV, everybody's talking
Speaker 6: about the kid, and he's just doing it, going out
Speaker 6: there and doing what he's done for you know, for
Speaker 6: so so long, and uh just really proud of him.
Speaker 6: I'm glad he's getting the spotlight and it's it's just
Speaker 6: he's just really fun to watch. He's out there butting
Speaker 6: his butt every every single week, and I'm really looking
Speaker 6: forward to see what comes of it.
Speaker 1: I also wanted to get your thoughts on Gozo, a
Speaker 1: player who I knew nothing about prior to the start
Speaker 1: of the season, and I had Pablo on I think
Speaker 1: it was after the first goal that Gozo scored and
Speaker 1: before you actually talied a goal, he was dangerous for
Speaker 1: another through a number of games, and I said to Pablo,
Speaker 1: I'm like, I think he got something with his kid
Speaker 1: local which is always fun West Valley kid. He gets
Speaker 1: his third goal over the weekend. If he continues to work,
Speaker 1: stay healthy. What does he look like when he's fully formed?
Speaker 6: In your opinion, yeah, he's he's Listen. We had him
Speaker 6: last year with the Monarchs, did his time there, saw
Speaker 6: him in the you know how to note with the academy.
Speaker 6: Like you said, local kids, he always always root for them.
Speaker 6: But Gozo can stretch the defense. He could, he could
Speaker 6: run for days. He could he could start the press.
Speaker 6: Uh and he's always done that. Now seeing him doing
Speaker 6: that at the highest level is even more special for
Speaker 6: me to watch. And again he's bagging goals now, so
Speaker 6: his confidences continue to go up. He's a he's a
Speaker 6: he'll listen to the coach, he'll do his role. He's
Speaker 6: a great kid. So just rooting for the kid and
Speaker 6: and and happy to see him, you know, succeeded on
Speaker 6: the field.
Speaker 1: Have you had a chance to watch Roland Cruz? And
Speaker 1: I'm not sure where we're at with the Olatunji kid.
Speaker 1: I know they're working on his work visa. But two
Speaker 1: big time additions in the attack during the transfer window?
Speaker 2: Nick, what what sort of info can you share with us?
Speaker 5: No?
Speaker 6: Yeah, I haven't seen much of him just when he
Speaker 6: comes on into the game. Obviously hasn't started yet, but uh,
Speaker 6: he's a big presence up there. He's very technical and
Speaker 6: I think once he starts bagging some goals, like any forward,
Speaker 6: you'll get your confidence. And it takes time, right, you
Speaker 6: can't just expect you know players to come in and
Speaker 6: make it impact all the time. And it takes time
Speaker 6: to know your your teammates, to flow to flow, how play,
Speaker 6: get used to the league, who you're playing against. So
Speaker 6: you know, I'm excited about what I see in cruise.
Speaker 1: So ultimately, as a result of the loss over the
Speaker 1: weekends and some uh some games that didn't go RSL's way,
Speaker 1: the team is now back below the playoff line with
Speaker 1: a handful of games left. So if I ask, and
Speaker 1: I know you're RSL optimistic, I know you always look
Speaker 1: on the bright side. But if we can get these
Speaker 1: two strikers or these two attacking players kind of ingrained
Speaker 1: in what Pabla wants them to do, what's best case
Speaker 1: scenario for the rest of the season, how do you
Speaker 1: think you could look?
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think I think we're going to make the
Speaker 6: playoffs the way you know, Pablo has this team going
Speaker 6: right now and training and fighting. It was unlucky this
Speaker 6: this last game. Obviously one to three points there and
Speaker 6: it would have been great for us, But you just
Speaker 6: got to keep your head down, keep working. I'm very optimist,
Speaker 6: and I think I think we're going to be in
Speaker 6: the playoffs come come the end of the year and
Speaker 6: hopefully make a good run of the playoffs.
Speaker 1: All right, Nick, is today your pick a ball tournament?
Speaker 1: Is it the Rise pick a Ball Tournament? Is that today?
Speaker 7: Yes?
Speaker 6: It is second annual Rice Charity Classic, So, uh, pick
Speaker 6: a ball tournament today at Second Summit. Cider festivities and
Speaker 6: games start at five with the tournament starting at six.
Speaker 6: It's a huge day. We did it last year. We
Speaker 6: got a you know a lot of people that attended,
Speaker 6: a lot of you know, good words from from people,
Speaker 6: and we had to do it again. And yeah, this
Speaker 6: Rise at Rise Athletics Foundation. What we do is try
Speaker 6: to make soccer more accessible in our community. So everything
Speaker 6: raised here tonight and through the foundation, we put back
Speaker 6: into the community and just try to make soccer give
Speaker 6: soccer drawl. And Uh, today's a day. I've been stretching
Speaker 6: all day long, so I don't pull anything, and yeah,
Speaker 6: ready to make an impact on that court, all.
Speaker 2: Right, before I say you lose.
Speaker 1: Let's move over to a story that is kind of
Speaker 1: permeated throughout our community. I've seen it a lot on
Speaker 1: the news and social media. It is heart wrenching.
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 1: He's three years old, Carrie's three years old, and we're
Speaker 1: looking for a bone marrow transplant.
Speaker 2: So what do you want our listeners to know?
Speaker 7: Nick?
Speaker 2: Can they help?
Speaker 7: Yeah?
Speaker 6: Yeah, no, we caught hold of this story and we're gonna,
Speaker 6: you know, have a table there at second sum Insider.
Speaker 6: Carrie is a three and a half year old member
Speaker 6: of our community. He was diagnosed with a rare, aggressive
Speaker 6: brain disorder called sleebro ald. He is in urgent need
Speaker 6: of a bone marrow transplant due to this aggressive nature
Speaker 6: of the disease. We need to find a donor match
Speaker 6: for Kirie in a short period of time, so we
Speaker 6: all have kits available tonight at the pick a Ball tournament.
Speaker 6: The test is just a quick and easy swab of
Speaker 6: the cheek. We are looking for potential matches between the
Speaker 6: age of eighteen and forty years old. If you have
Speaker 6: either Asian or Italian heritage, the possibility of being a
Speaker 6: match increases, So if you are, please come out and
Speaker 6: get swabbed. Time is of the essence, and at this
Speaker 6: point it's a numbers game, so please come out, pick
Speaker 6: up a swab and find let's find a match for Kirie.
Speaker 6: It goes without saying that this cost, the cost of
Speaker 6: medical care is and will continue to be significant. Medical
Speaker 6: bills are already piling up. The family has set up
Speaker 6: a golf fundmeed for Kirie's care. So if you're if
Speaker 6: you are multiple ways to get there are multiple ways
Speaker 6: to get involved and show up for this young boy
Speaker 6: and his family who are already going through so much.
Speaker 6: So again, if if you have the time, if you
Speaker 6: haven't already, if you're the between the ages of eighteen
Speaker 6: and forty, please come out get swabbed, come out to
Speaker 6: the event. There'll be some great raffle prizes and some
Speaker 6: fun times there. But more importantly, I think we want
Speaker 6: to find this kid cure.
Speaker 1: More information and links to the GoFundMe and Carrie's journey
Speaker 1: can be found at the website Hope for Kiri dot org. Nick,
Speaker 1: thanks for the time, buddy, and have a great event tonight.
Speaker 6: Okay, I appreciate it. Thank you since.
Speaker 1: Okay again Hope for Kirie dot org. You may have
Speaker 1: seen this story circulating on social media. A bunch of
Speaker 1: our local news outlets have covered it as well. Beautiful
Speaker 1: little kid man, he's three and a half years old.
Speaker 1: You bought up this website and say your heart string
Speaker 1: so you can head to the website Hope for Kiri
Speaker 1: dot org and there are links for the GoFundMe that
Speaker 1: you can donate. You can join the donor registry and
Speaker 1: then they have locations where you can go get swabbed
Speaker 1: to see if you're a match and as Nikki just said,
Speaker 1: at his pickleball tournament, and I would encourage you to
Speaker 1: go to Nick's socials just his name at Nick Romando
Speaker 1: on Instagram or Twitter probably TikTok. He has the information
Speaker 1: about the pickleball event tonight that you can go attend
Speaker 1: and you can enter to win some raffle prizes.
Speaker 2: You can play some pickleball.
Speaker 1: And while you're there, if you're between the ages of
Speaker 1: eighteen and forty, just take a couple of minutes, get
Speaker 1: swabbed and maybe you can save this kid's life.
Speaker 2: I mean, three and a half years old man.
Speaker 1: So hope for Kiri dot org and let's bring in
Speaker 1: Tony now to tell us more about this Tony, how
Speaker 1: are you, sir?
Speaker 7: Hey spend some great her are you? Man? Thanks for
Speaker 7: having me.
Speaker 1: I'm really I'm good man, and my heart's aching as
Speaker 1: I'm looking at these pictures of this young man three
Speaker 1: and a half years old. I can't even imagine. So
Speaker 1: tell us about this journey, Tony. What's what's this been
Speaker 1: for you? And how can we help?
Speaker 7: Yeah? So, Kiri has been diagnosed with cerebral ald It's
Speaker 7: a manifestation of his original diagnosis of adreno leukodystrophe or
Speaker 7: ALD for short. It was discovered in his newborn screening
Speaker 7: and since then he goes to biannual checkups and imaging
Speaker 7: to make sure that the disease hasn't progressed to this
Speaker 7: cerebral ALD. On July twenty third, we went to one
Speaker 7: of his routine MRI images and unfortunately, later that day
Speaker 7: we got the worst news that they found that they
Speaker 7: believed to be cerebral ALD in his brain stem. So
Speaker 7: we had a consultation with his doctors that following Tuesday,
Speaker 7: and they told us this planned forward which entails a
Speaker 7: bone marrow transplant, which I know you and Nick Ramonda
Speaker 7: were just talking about. So Kiri is his mom is
Speaker 7: Kim Bodian, and I am of European descent, So we're
Speaker 7: having kind of a challenging time finding a match for him.
Speaker 7: These bone marrow industries are kind of only in like
Speaker 7: developed countries. So Kiri's his two siblings were in a match,
Speaker 7: and after your siblings are in a match, the best
Speaker 7: chance you have for finding a viable match is a
Speaker 7: random stranger somewhere in the world. So we've made this
Speaker 7: huge push to find a donor and their community response
Speaker 7: has just been incredible, the support. The donor registry only
Speaker 7: had about three thousand people before we started making this push,
Speaker 7: and as of this morning, they've had eight thousand new
Speaker 7: members join just in Carrie's name alone, as well as
Speaker 7: everybody else who joins through their own avenue. So the
Speaker 7: support has just been incredible. Krie is going to go
Speaker 7: in for his bone marrow transplant in the first part
Speaker 7: of September. Carrie's mom, Jasmine, called and asked for an
Speaker 7: update last week and they were still looking for a
Speaker 7: bone marrow transplant. And it's kind of a long process.
Speaker 7: There's a lot of reasons that you can get ruled out,
Speaker 7: and it's also time sensitive. So that's why it's really
Speaker 7: beneficial to have multiple options and why we're making such
Speaker 7: a big push to find multiple viable options for Kirie.
Speaker 1: Well tony of things and including the many things I
Speaker 1: am as a father. So my heart goes out to you.
Speaker 1: How you doing, man, how's the family doing throughout this process?
Speaker 7: We're you know, we're doing really well. We've, like I mentioned,
Speaker 7: the support from the community and the love that we feel.
Speaker 7: I mean, there's total strangers out there running events to
Speaker 7: get swabs for Kirie. It's just been been so powerful
Speaker 7: and so impactful for us, and you know, we're doing good.
Speaker 7: We told our kids that Kirie is going to go
Speaker 7: to the hospital for a while, and you know, he's
Speaker 7: just such a sweet kid. His first concern was, am
Speaker 7: I going to get my siblings sick? He wanted to
Speaker 7: know if he's gonna his little brother and his older
Speaker 7: sister sick. And then his sister's response was, you know, well,
Speaker 7: we have to bring him stuffed animals and blankets and
Speaker 7: I don't want him to be alone up there, and
Speaker 7: it just, you know, it was really special. They're really close.
Speaker 7: But we're hanging in there, and you know, we have
Speaker 7: all the supportant love from our community, so I'm sure
Speaker 7: we'll be just fine.
Speaker 2: How's Mom doing.
Speaker 7: She's doing good. She's a doer. Her and her family
Speaker 7: have just been amazing to the second to process everything.
Speaker 7: But they jumped right into action, and this huge campaign
Speaker 7: is it is a result of them, so really lucky.
Speaker 1: So we've got Nicky's pickleball tournament tonight and there will
Speaker 1: be kits there where people can go get swat.
Speaker 2: Is that true?
Speaker 7: Yep, that's correct. We'll have a table set up. We
Speaker 7: have about one hundred and fifty kits. I'll be there
Speaker 7: with a couple more voluntcreacious volunteers, and we have a
Speaker 7: pre registration. If you text six one four seven four,
Speaker 7: that's six four seven four is the text Hope for
Speaker 7: Kiri to that you can actually get sent the pre
Speaker 7: registration screening so you'll know if you're eligible. Save you
Speaker 7: some time to come down. But we'd love to see
Speaker 7: you come down. Support Rise Athletics in the community, and yeah,
Speaker 7: we'd love to see you guys, regardless of if you're
Speaker 7: eligible or not.
Speaker 1: Hey, Hope for Kirie dot org is the website. There's
Speaker 1: a link to the go fundme, and there's a link
Speaker 1: to join the Donna registry. So let me ask you this,
Speaker 1: twenty four listeners that can't make it to Nicky's event tonight,
Speaker 1: are there other locations they can go to? Is the
Speaker 1: website the best place to go to get more information?
Speaker 2: Go ahead?
Speaker 7: Yeah, thank you for the reminder. The website that hopefkiri
Speaker 7: dot org has all of the links for the Bone
Speaker 7: Mirror registry, to go fund me, all of that stuff,
Speaker 7: and it has a list of all of the amazing
Speaker 7: businesses that have graciously signed up to have test kits.
Speaker 7: We update that every night at like seven pm. So
Speaker 7: what you see on there right now is the most
Speaker 7: up to date information that we have about who still
Speaker 7: has kits. And then there should be a couple more
Speaker 7: of these events that we promote through Hope for Kiri
Speaker 7: on Instagram and all of those other social media's as well.
Speaker 1: All right, Tony, Well, we'll continue to push this out, man,
Speaker 1: and if you need anything from us, you just got
Speaker 1: to reach out.
Speaker 2: This is the important stuff.
Speaker 1: We talk about football and basketball and soccer, but this
Speaker 1: is the important stuff. And you know, if we can
Speaker 1: do anything to help you out and rally the community,
Speaker 1: please reach out.
Speaker 2: Best of luck and my heart goes out to you
Speaker 2: and that little boy.
Speaker 7: Okay, thank you very much, Bence, thanks so much for
Speaker 7: the time. I really appreciate it.
Speaker 2: You got it.
Speaker 1: So the website again is Hope for Kirie dot org.
Speaker 1: Nick Romando's charity pickleball tournament. Tonight, we'll have a bunch
Speaker 1: of kits. They're present for you guys to go get
Speaker 1: swab looking potentially between the ages of eighteen and forty
Speaker 1: and as a result of the nature of both the
Speaker 1: backgrounds of the mother and the father. If you have
Speaker 1: Italian or Asian blood, you're more likely to be a match. Unfortunately,
Speaker 1: Carrie's two siblings were not a match for him. He
Speaker 1: is three and a half years old. And this is
Speaker 1: heartbreaking because they're running out of time. That's what it
Speaker 1: comes down to. It's cerebral or cerebral ald devastating, an
Speaker 1: aggressive brain disease, and we're looking to find a bone
Speaker 1: marrow donor in a match to try to save this
Speaker 1: kid's life.
Speaker 2: So they're running out of time. And again, Hope for
Speaker 2: Carrie dot org.
Speaker 1: Nick Romondo's pickleball tournament tonight and as Tony just referenced,
Speaker 1: Tony is is is Carrie's father? Text right now six
Speaker 1: one four seven four. Text Hope for Carrie to six
Speaker 1: one four seven four and they will text you a
Speaker 1: pre screening just kind of something you have to fill
Speaker 1: out before you actually screen, like a pre screening document
Speaker 1: that you fill out before you head over to the
Speaker 1: pickleball tournament. On the website Hope for Kirie dot org,
Speaker 1: there are links to the go fundme page, there's links
Speaker 1: to the donor registry and how you can get involved,
Speaker 1: and there's also information about where the new kids have
Speaker 1: arrived at several locations. So if you can't make it
Speaker 1: to the next pickleball tournament tonight, on the website Hope
Speaker 1: for Kirie dot Org are other locations where if you
Speaker 1: just have a few spare minutes today go see if
Speaker 1: you can save a life. Let's see if we can
Speaker 1: give this kid a bone marrow transplant so we can
Speaker 1: watch him grow as opposed to the other possibility at
Speaker 1: the age of three and a half, which I don't
Speaker 1: really even want to wrap my mind around.
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Speaker 2: Want to remind you if you miss last segment.
Speaker 1: Nick Romondo joined us, and then Tony joined us and
Speaker 1: Tony's three and a half year old son, Kiri, needs
Speaker 1: a bone marrow transplant and we are looking for a match.
Speaker 1: So Nick Romondo has a charity pickleball tournament today and
Speaker 1: I want to let you know. It's at Second Summit
Speaker 1: Hard Cider, which is at forty ten South Main Street
Speaker 1: in Mill Creek, and they've got about one hundred and
Speaker 1: fifty kits where you can go get just a quick
Speaker 1: mouse swab. It takes just a couple of minutes. If
Speaker 1: you have some time today, please head down there. We
Speaker 1: do not have a match for Currey yet and time
Speaker 1: is running out. If you are planning on heading down there,
Speaker 1: you can text Hope for Kiri to six one four
Speaker 1: We're seven for and they'll send you kind of the
Speaker 1: document that you need to fill out prior to getting screened.
Speaker 1: If you're not available to head down there today. The
Speaker 1: website has hoped for Kirie dot org with a link
Speaker 1: to their GoFundMe and link to join the donor registry,
Speaker 1: and then information about new kits when they arrive at
Speaker 1: other locations. So we're gonna push this as hard as
Speaker 1: we can. Let's save this kid's life. He's three and
Speaker 1: a half years old. Cerebral ald It's a devastating and
Speaker 1: aggressive brain disease.
Speaker 2: So between the ages of eighteen.
Speaker 1: And forty, you're more likely to be a matchined if
Speaker 1: you have Italian or Asian heritage as a result of
Speaker 1: the lineage of Carrie's parents. So again, Nicky's pick Aball
Speaker 1: tournament starts in about an hour and forty five minutes
Speaker 1: at Second sum at Hartsider at forty ten South Main
Speaker 1: Street in Mill Creek. Live in studio today our friend
Speaker 1: Amy Donaldson, which always makes me smile.
Speaker 2: Hello, Amy, how are you hello?
Speaker 10: I actually ooh gosh, I don't know if that's my hell?
Speaker 10: If I'm coming in you can control your ears? You
Speaker 10: sound good to me?
Speaker 9: All right, good, I won't worry about it.
Speaker 7: Then.
Speaker 10: I actually am was a registered a donor, a bone
Speaker 10: marrow donor for many years. Okay, I am unfortunately over
Speaker 10: forty at this point, I am chairly barely right.
Speaker 1: I have been aged out, and I have no Italian
Speaker 1: or Asian heritage. I'm like full Scottish, little English and
Speaker 1: a little Scandinavian blood on my mother's side. Nobody gives
Speaker 1: a rip about my you know, twenty three and me,
Speaker 1: But that's that's kind of my ideal.
Speaker 2: How you been, It's good to see it.
Speaker 10: Yeah, I've been good. I have also been sending that
Speaker 10: message out. I hope we find and I hope we
Speaker 10: register a ton of donors. Yeah, for sure, because I
Speaker 10: had got registered because my best friend from high schools
Speaker 10: son got leukemia and needed a bone marrow transplant, and
Speaker 10: so he just asked everybody to get registered and I
Speaker 10: was hoping I would just was a match for him.
Speaker 9: I was not. He found a donor.
Speaker 10: Through this registry, okay, and it saves lives, and it's
Speaker 10: really I had never was lucky enough to be able
Speaker 10: to donate, but I have no people who have and
Speaker 10: friends who have, and it's for a healthy person. It
Speaker 10: is no problem, and yeah, it's an amazing thing to
Speaker 10: be able to do.
Speaker 1: Yeah, three and a half years old. I'll just keep
Speaker 1: pushing the website. Hope for carried. He's got two siblings.
Speaker 1: Neither were a match unfortunately, and times running out. We
Speaker 1: had his dad on last segment and you could just
Speaker 1: hear like the emotion in his voice. You and I
Speaker 1: are both parents. This is this is something no parents
Speaker 1: should ever go through.
Speaker 5: No.
Speaker 10: And if you've had I know you yourself have had,
Speaker 10: you know face that.
Speaker 9: It could be deadly situation.
Speaker 10: I had a kid who had open our surgery twice,
Speaker 10: once at eleven months and once at fifteen years old,
Speaker 10: and probably will have to have it again.
Speaker 9: And it is, I think the worst thing.
Speaker 10: Because you like to think you could handle anything, you
Speaker 10: can do anything, you'll do anything, but there's it just
Speaker 10: reduces you to like, oh you you really have no
Speaker 10: power here, you have nothing. You can just love and so,
Speaker 10: like I said, hopefully his efforts will help a lot
Speaker 10: of kids, but also his And yeah, please go get
Speaker 10: registered at the time.
Speaker 9: It's it's not hard for sure, and you can play pickleball.
Speaker 9: My god, there you go.
Speaker 10: I was really I was like, I'm going to play
Speaker 10: in the pickleball tournament because I love pickleball so.
Speaker 9: Much, but I have to work.
Speaker 2: Well, we'll get you out of here.
Speaker 9: And I just came out of my basement to talk.
Speaker 2: To you, though, oh, did you really well?
Speaker 9: I've been writing all day.
Speaker 1: So Hope for Kirie dot orgon again. If you can
Speaker 1: head to Nikki's Pickaball tournament. Text Hope for Kirie right
Speaker 1: now to six one four seven four, and they're going
Speaker 1: to send you the documentation you need to fill out.
Speaker 7: Uh.
Speaker 1: To just get swapped takes a couple of minutes forty
Speaker 1: ten South Main Street and Mill Creek starts at about
Speaker 1: four forty five.
Speaker 2: What are you working on? What's the latest with you?
Speaker 3: Working on?
Speaker 10: So many? I have so many little you know, plate
Speaker 10: spinning and know how that is, you know me never
Speaker 10: just one thing. But right now I am working on
Speaker 10: a podcast that will be launching probably February to April
Speaker 10: of next year. Okay, I can't talk about it yet,
Speaker 10: but probably close the next couple of months. But it's
Speaker 10: a sports related but yeah, it's a sports related podcast,
Speaker 10: which I didn't plan on doing. I actually had a
Speaker 10: different podcast that I had been working on, and this
Speaker 10: one had kind of been on the back burner, you
Speaker 10: know how that is, just always having this idea and
Speaker 10: it's sort of bubbled up to the top. So that's
Speaker 10: what I've been working on, and it's consuming a lot
Speaker 10: of time. I'm also I've been working on a book.
Speaker 10: So I went to a writer's conference a few weeks ago,
Speaker 10: and I have writing coach who's checking in with me now?
Speaker 7: And there?
Speaker 2: Do you have a writing coach?
Speaker 7: Oh?
Speaker 3: I have?
Speaker 10: My husband jokes about this, I go to more writing
Speaker 10: classes and conferences. He's like, you'd think you don't know
Speaker 10: how to write, but no, it's it does help.
Speaker 2: Does it really like you don't?
Speaker 10: Yeah, and they know things or they've come at it
Speaker 10: from a different perspective. I mean the people think that
Speaker 10: because you write for newspaper, you know how to write
Speaker 10: writing for newspaper and then switching to podcast completely different game.
Speaker 10: I questioned my decision every day for two years.
Speaker 9: Why did you.
Speaker 10: Give up something you were good at for something that
Speaker 10: you suck at? Now I finally feel like I'm like
Speaker 10: in first grade of podcast writing.
Speaker 2: Don't suck at it. Let's be clear.
Speaker 10: I don't think you didn't made those first drafts. I
Speaker 10: should send you. I should send you a Blooper rail.
Speaker 10: You would enjoy it. Actually, porter would enjoy it. But yeah,
Speaker 10: it's tough. I mean it's a different kind of writing completely,
Speaker 10: and so just for fun, I took a screenwriting class
Speaker 10: in the spring and it really like just made me
Speaker 10: kind of reinvigorate it with fun.
Speaker 9: I mean, this is the thing.
Speaker 10: When you write every day in one form or another,
Speaker 10: it's hard to like then say I'm gonna go have
Speaker 10: some fun and write some more because you're tired. It's
Speaker 10: writing is like it's a little piece of your soul
Speaker 10: goes out into the thing. And yeah, so I love it.
Speaker 10: I'm doing my column again for a KSEL Sports Soka.
Speaker 10: My first column last week. It's going to be run
Speaker 10: on Wednesdays. So I'm happy to be doing that again
Speaker 10: because I love I have missed covering daily sports. I'm
Speaker 10: not going to be doing daily sports, but I'm going
Speaker 10: to be writing about some of the issues and players.
Speaker 10: And have I asked for ideas and I have been.
Speaker 10: I think I have one hundred ideas.
Speaker 7: Ok.
Speaker 10: I still ask for them because I mean, I think
Speaker 10: if we find a donor through this, I would love
Speaker 10: to talk to whoever ends up being a match, or
Speaker 10: if somebody else finds a match because they shared their story.
Speaker 10: I just remember, this is why we share stories, right,
Speaker 10: This is why we do it to connect. We do
Speaker 10: it to help each other. And remind us that none
Speaker 10: of us are in this game along.
Speaker 2: What is your well said? What's your first cassel column?
Speaker 2: Is it?
Speaker 9: It was on?
Speaker 10: It was on the Former Brothers new gym, oh Nice
Speaker 10: and I actually submitted it a couple of months ago,
Speaker 10: but there was some maternity leave for someone else involved
Speaker 10: in and some I was working on something else. So
Speaker 10: we finally got it done. But there's still time to
Speaker 10: donate to the gym. And for sure, it's always timeless
Speaker 10: from what the former family has done for this state,
Speaker 10: and not just in boxing, giving kids a sense of community,
Speaker 10: giving them a place to go. The young men that
Speaker 10: I found. His mom is a recovering addict. She've been
Speaker 10: cleaned for a year when I met them. Saved their lives.
Speaker 10: They don't have a dad in their lives. They have
Speaker 10: all these amazing male role models and they get to
Speaker 10: He gets to go every day for free. Kids go
Speaker 10: and they can box for free. They learn discipline, how
Speaker 10: to take care of one another, the value of competition
Speaker 10: and good sportsmanship. Right, there's so many things and now
Speaker 10: and they have a study facility there. I don't know
Speaker 10: if you've been out there yet.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was there for the opener we did my
Speaker 2: show out there.
Speaker 10: Yeah, yeah, I think I was out in the morning
Speaker 10: when they did they so, yeah, it's deluxe. I mean
Speaker 10: I was so happy because I love the.
Speaker 9: The fact that there's a support.
Speaker 10: Like I've combat sports have always been a safety net
Speaker 10: for a lot of people living on the margins of society.
Speaker 10: But now there's a safety net there that's going to
Speaker 10: give them more options even if they don't make it
Speaker 10: in boxing. They have community, they have study skills, they
Speaker 10: have help with their homework, they have food to eat,
Speaker 10: there are a lot there's they have access to athletic trainers.
Speaker 10: They're just so much support there, and it's a beautiful
Speaker 10: building to boot But yeah, I love it. And the
Speaker 10: if you have if you don't know anything about the
Speaker 10: history of boxing in Utah, all that stuff you used
Speaker 10: to be in Don and Jane Fulmer's basements and probably
Speaker 10: Jay's garage and now it's like this amazing museum and yeah,
Speaker 10: it just makes you like, oh, there's a lot here
Speaker 10: in the state that I don't know anything about, and
Speaker 10: it makes you super proud.
Speaker 2: Well, and you're not going to meet a sweeter guy
Speaker 2: than Larry Fomer.
Speaker 9: No, I mean, just like maybe one of his brothers.
Speaker 1: Well, okay, fair enough, but he's one of those guys
Speaker 1: where every time, whether whether he's in studio or I've
Speaker 1: been out on remote, he just puts you in a
Speaker 1: good mood.
Speaker 2: You just feel happy around Larry.
Speaker 10: And I should say in a couple of weeks they
Speaker 10: have an outdoor boxing match coming up. So they poured
Speaker 10: this cement slab on the property that I believe they
Speaker 10: they I don't they rent or lease, but for like
Speaker 10: a ten bucks or a bucket year or something from
Speaker 10: the county and it they're gonna have outdoor boxing matches.
Speaker 9: But they used to back in the day.
Speaker 2: That's awesome.
Speaker 10: But instead of Chicken coop, they're going to be in
Speaker 10: this amazing venue and there we be real restrooms in
Speaker 10: case you're on the fence.
Speaker 9: That's always my requirement.
Speaker 2: Yeah, got it.
Speaker 9: Is there a place to go to the bathroom? I'm down?
Speaker 2: And is there food?
Speaker 9: You know? You know me, food is maybe more important
Speaker 9: than the restroom.
Speaker 2: And porter how long?
Speaker 1: So Deontay Wilder was there, Yeah, and he sat down
Speaker 1: and I didn't know what to expect. We probably did
Speaker 1: a forty five minute segment with him, didn't we. I mean,
Speaker 1: he just yacks poetic forever.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was.
Speaker 2: It was a good long it was.
Speaker 4: It was most of our radio hour, which yeah, about
Speaker 4: forty forty one.
Speaker 9: I miss it.
Speaker 10: I'm'n have to go back and list him because he
Speaker 10: was wonderful with those kids.
Speaker 1: People need to know Porter's magic with the clock based
Speaker 1: off of my lack of clock integrity.
Speaker 9: I think we call it time blame with ADHD.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's that's really what it is like.
Speaker 1: So I've always In fact, it's interesting because you brought
Speaker 1: up the podcasting dynamic. You know, for two years, I
Speaker 1: was not doing this job. I just did podcasts only
Speaker 1: for two years. And when you have that experience, I
Speaker 1: was about, oh, we're turning six this week. This show
Speaker 1: is six years old this week, which is pretty pretty interesting.
Speaker 1: It both seems like it was yesterday and forever ago.
Speaker 1: I don't really know how to you know, time is
Speaker 1: such a mental construct, but during my two years of
Speaker 1: podcasts only, you just see the movement of this attention
Speaker 1: economy moving digitally and online. So when I first took
Speaker 1: this job, I told Cavon, I said, I want to
Speaker 1: try to make live radio sound podcasting. I said, what
Speaker 1: that means is I'm blowing through my clock all the time. Like,
Speaker 1: if I have a conversation that's going well, I want.
Speaker 1: And one of my favorite pieces of feedback I get
Speaker 1: is if somebody sends me a message like, hey, I
Speaker 1: was running errands and you had Deontay Wilder on and
Speaker 1: I sat in the Harmon's parking lot and I listen
Speaker 1: to you for forty five minutes.
Speaker 3: Done it.
Speaker 2: That's the coolest thing, you know.
Speaker 9: Or I've been coming home or and I've been I
Speaker 9: have to hear the end of this.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 10: Yeah, And it's not like you can't go you can't
Speaker 10: listen to it on podcasts later, sure, but you're in
Speaker 10: the moment and there's an energy and an emotion to it,
Speaker 10: right one hundred percent. But I'm I'm gonna have to
Speaker 10: look that one up because I mess.
Speaker 9: I don't remember why.
Speaker 3: I think.
Speaker 9: I think Larry told me you were there, but I
Speaker 9: had that was crazy.
Speaker 1: Yeah it was great, but but it it And yes,
Speaker 1: like part of my approach is thinking about the person
Speaker 1: who couldn't hear the interview live, who gets home from
Speaker 1: work and pulls up the podcast page and says, wait,
Speaker 1: forty five minutes with a world championship boxer. I'm going
Speaker 1: to listen to that, but in real time, it just
Speaker 1: it makes my man in there spend different plates on
Speaker 1: his head when he's got to deal with my you know, wait,
Speaker 1: you're supposed to go to break here, but I just
Speaker 1: approach it differently.
Speaker 2: You see how.
Speaker 10: People pay the bills. But that's I actually would love
Speaker 10: to see us figure this out. Actually talk to one
Speaker 10: of your sales managers about this. How do you make
Speaker 10: this less transactional? Like I you give advertisers, give us,
Speaker 10: give you money, and then you give a product. Right,
Speaker 10: and the listeners are the the people you're trying to
Speaker 10: sell stuff to.
Speaker 9: Right, what if it was all we are all trying
Speaker 9: to do the same thing.
Speaker 10: We're trying to create this community and we all benefit
Speaker 10: from it. So the advertisers that support your show, that
Speaker 10: listeners support them because they're not going to have as
Speaker 10: many ads, they're not going to have as many bricks,
Speaker 10: but they but they support those advertisers because they're supporting
Speaker 10: this unusual you know, a format that.
Speaker 9: To me is like, oh, let's figure let's try that.
Speaker 10: That would be super fun to try, but it's hard
Speaker 10: to get sales to go along with it because they're like,
Speaker 10: but we've got this many ads and da da da da,
Speaker 10: because that's what advertisers are sure will work. Yeah, and
Speaker 10: I just say like, let's just try it a little bit.
Speaker 10: And podcasting is a great place to try it, yeah,
Speaker 10: because there's you know, it's such a I feel like
Speaker 10: it's a creative you could say chaotic universe, or you
Speaker 10: could say a rap show whatever, but it's a place
Speaker 10: you can try stuff. And so we're with radio. As
Speaker 10: you know, there is a way of doing it. We've
Speaker 10: always done it this way. We're not going to change
Speaker 10: our minds, Amy, So don't come in here with your
Speaker 10: new fingled idea.
Speaker 9: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well it's and you know, for years and years and years,
Speaker 1: I would hear this thing from sales staff or you know,
Speaker 1: front office folk up in you know, the upper tier offices,
Speaker 1: like we need more time spend listening TSL. They always
Speaker 1: say that, so we need to turn If somebody's listening
Speaker 1: to your show for seven minutes of time, how do
Speaker 1: we turn that into twenty? And like my whole thing
Speaker 1: is like, okay, well we don't go to break if
Speaker 1: something is compelling, that's how we do it. And then
Speaker 1: we try to convince them to sit in their car
Speaker 1: and listen to a good conversation.
Speaker 10: The easiest way, and this is what I I because
Speaker 10: I do narrative podcasting, so I tell a story over episodes.
Speaker 10: And the easiest way to lose people I listen to
Speaker 10: narrative podcasts I make them is to interrupt and try
Speaker 10: to sell me something because it reminds me that I'm
Speaker 10: not part of the story.
Speaker 9: Right, all the work.
Speaker 2: That is, it's dropped in random this.
Speaker 10: Universe and all of a sudden, now you want to
Speaker 10: talk about tires. No, no, right, well let's go back
Speaker 10: to talking about how did you find belief in yourself
Speaker 10: to become a world champion? How did you envision that
Speaker 10: when nobody around you had that kind of success from them?
Speaker 11: Right?
Speaker 10: Like, that's the thing, that's the conversation you want to
Speaker 10: be involved in. And if you tell me at the
Speaker 10: very beginning, hey, this company makes this possible. As you
Speaker 10: and I see this a lot in outdoor community. We
Speaker 10: will support a company that doesn't do ads on our
Speaker 10: shirt because we want a shirt that we can wear
Speaker 10: wherever we want. We will looks like a billboard, right,
Speaker 10: But it takes some level of trust.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, so of all of because we had a
Speaker 1: mad Dog on Chris Russo, who was kind of the first.
Speaker 1: He and Mike Frances did Mike and the Mad Dog
Speaker 1: when I was a teenager in the Northeast, and it
Speaker 1: was the first like sports talk radio show.
Speaker 7: Uh.
Speaker 1: And it was you know, those two going back and forth.
Speaker 1: And in a way they are real pioneers like you.
Speaker 1: Hear a lot of like.
Speaker 2: The steven A.
Speaker 1: Smiths get Bayless getting the credit for this Embrace debate.
Speaker 1: It was Mike and the Mad Dog before anybody else.
Speaker 1: And we had Dog on the show like a month ago,
Speaker 1: and he said, every live radio host can be a podcaster.
Speaker 2: Ten percent of podcasters can do live radio.
Speaker 9: That's what I believe that.
Speaker 2: But what's your.
Speaker 1: Experience been, because I wanted to ask you, like, you've
Speaker 1: done live radio, you've done podcasting, and you write a
Speaker 1: lot's what's the biggest energetic ask of the things.
Speaker 3: That you've done.
Speaker 9: What do you mean energetic ask?
Speaker 1: Like you referenced earlier, when I write something leads my body.
Speaker 1: And when I'm done with the show, every day I
Speaker 1: go home and I sit in my backyard for like
Speaker 1: thirty minutes, and I want to talk to anybody. I'm
Speaker 1: just sitting there, like you know, like the energetic ask
Speaker 1: of doing this for four hours every day is a
Speaker 1: different ass than it is for podcasting because we have
Speaker 1: a clock. As I reference, I blow through it. But
Speaker 1: there's no like hey pause take two, like we are
Speaker 1: live right now. This is a live micro I think.
Speaker 9: So they're different.
Speaker 10: So live radio to me, and I did twelve years
Speaker 10: sports talk radio, and I mostly did high school stuff,
Speaker 10: but then filling in every time I did a four
Speaker 10: hour show versus my two hour show, I was reminded
Speaker 10: a how.
Speaker 9: Much more.
Speaker 10: You know, preparation goes into it than you hear in
Speaker 10: a two hour or a four hour show, right you
Speaker 10: double or triple it, right, Like It's it's crazy how
Speaker 10: much more you have to prepare to do a couple
Speaker 10: of hours of live radio. The other thing is you
Speaker 10: can't be I'm me, like, I don't have an alter ego.
Speaker 10: And when you do live radio, no one wants sad you,
Speaker 10: nobody wants anger you.
Speaker 9: They want they want this happy.
Speaker 10: Give me information, make me feel better about life, tell
Speaker 10: me some stuff about the world, right and and you
Speaker 10: like and I see that. I actually it's one of
Speaker 10: the things I love about your show is and you
Speaker 10: is that there is a dynamic of where like, okay,
Speaker 10: that we're not going to be just happy. Sports is fun, right,
Speaker 10: Like we're gonna we're gonna be real at times. But
Speaker 10: I think for the most part, radio radio, live radio
Speaker 10: is a persona that for me, I find incredibly difficult
Speaker 10: to maintain. I can't be this thing you need all
Speaker 10: the time. It's like it's like putting on a good
Speaker 10: face for your kids or something when you're pee oed.
Speaker 10: You know, we've all been like in a fight with
Speaker 10: our spouse and we have to go to a party
Speaker 10: and pretend we like each other. Like that's what I
Speaker 10: feel like. Live radio is like whatever you're feeling.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 10: Taylor Swift has a song you can do It with
Speaker 10: a broken Heart, and Jason Kelsey talked about that, like
Speaker 10: so many times you have to sit down in front
Speaker 10: of a microphone after you lose a game and you
Speaker 10: want to punch everybody in the face, and you have
Speaker 10: to sit there and try to be a good sport
Speaker 10: and talk nice and be happy and not say what
Speaker 10: kind of freaking dumb question is that? Because there's a
Speaker 10: lot of dumb questions in those parts, yes, meeting right.
Speaker 10: So to me, live radio is exhausting because of the
Speaker 10: masking aspect, and so that's I'll put that aside. End
Speaker 10: the amount of preparation that nobody, everybody think should just
Speaker 10: go on and just shoot the crap, right, So there's
Speaker 10: no respect for the amount of work it takes. And
Speaker 10: a lot of people who don't work can make it
Speaker 10: in this business and we're all in the same boat.
Speaker 10: That is very problematic for me, and I don't like
Speaker 10: that because I'm a fair Everything has to be fair.
Speaker 10: So then podcasting for me is different because I do
Speaker 10: narrative podcasting and it's years of thinking and researching and
Speaker 10: doing all kinds of interviews and reading all kinds of books.
Speaker 10: The one I'm writing for next year is I've read
Speaker 10: at least six books on this subject. And you have
Speaker 10: to immerse yourself in a story in a way that is.
Speaker 9: It can be traumatic.
Speaker 10: I mean I feel like sometimes you can, especially with
Speaker 10: a true crime podcast, you can engage, you can feel
Speaker 10: some secondary trauma or it triggers your own trauma your
Speaker 10: own life, right, And so there's that aspect of it.
Speaker 10: And writing for me is an absolutely participatory sport. It
Speaker 10: is not. I know people who I remember talking to
Speaker 10: another journalist about this way will not name who said, Stot,
Speaker 10: you just need to put a put a wall up
Speaker 10: between your emotions and the thing you're covering. And I
Speaker 10: was like, I don't know how to do that, right, right.
Speaker 2: That's a thing about you, though I'm glad.
Speaker 10: Well, I mean, I think it's it, but it makes
Speaker 10: it harder to do a dish what they call it,
Speaker 10: a quick and dirty sure, right, So that's why I
Speaker 10: didn't like quick and dirty. I was like, I'll do
Speaker 10: the cancer story because I can get into that, I
Speaker 10: can feel that, and I will be tired and sad
Speaker 10: and like you say, you don't want to talk to
Speaker 10: anybody after, but I'll feel like I did something of value.
Speaker 10: And for me, the reason to write anything or do
Speaker 10: any of this is that you do something to educate people,
Speaker 10: to inspire people, or help them figure out a problem.
Speaker 10: We can talk through a problem or an issue that's
Speaker 10: that we face as a group. So and then as
Speaker 10: far as newspaper writing or you know, my writing, I
Speaker 10: do on my own book that I'm writing, it is
Speaker 10: the single most difficult thing I've ever done. And part
Speaker 10: of that is you're as a journalist and a person's
Speaker 10: kind of you, you've kind of lived half in the
Speaker 10: public eye and half out right, you have to kind
Speaker 10: of two lives. I've kind of I've not done that.
Speaker 10: I've kind of just let my life be my life.
Speaker 10: But in going through the book that I'm writing, it's
Speaker 10: a lot of parts that I haven't even shared with
Speaker 10: my closest friends. Right, So some people know about it,
Speaker 10: some people don't. But it's a book about grief and
Speaker 10: about losing my stepdaughter and taking care of my grandmother
Speaker 10: until she passed away.
Speaker 9: And so I.
Speaker 10: Once wrote about being a victim of domestic violence and
Speaker 10: a column, And if you haven't had that experience, you're
Speaker 10: not going to understand what I'm going to say. But
Speaker 10: it was the most humiliating thing that I ever experienced
Speaker 10: as a professional journalist to have my boss call me
Speaker 10: and say two things. That's the best thing we've ever
Speaker 10: run in the paper, which is supposed to be a compliment, right,
Speaker 10: And the second one was, I can't believe that you
Speaker 10: were a victim of I can't believe our amy was
Speaker 10: a victim of set. I can't believe that, which is
Speaker 10: like completely reinforcing all the shame stigma, right, So I
Speaker 10: know sharing stuff like that it's good and we should
Speaker 10: do it. And I know the cost now because I've
Speaker 10: done it and I've asked other people to do it,
Speaker 10: and so that part of it, like writing, that is
Speaker 10: very difficult. But it's also I always say, the work
Speaker 10: is the medicine, and sometimes medicine sucks, baby, But I'm
Speaker 10: willing to do it because it's the only way I
Speaker 10: know how to live. So that's the which one's more
Speaker 10: emotionally exhausting in the short term. This live radio people
Speaker 10: and everybody is a critic, I mean, and in live radio,
Speaker 10: you get it right. I mean, I was a sub
Speaker 10: and at X ninety six one morning and I'm watching
Speaker 10: the text line and they told me, don't watch it.
Speaker 9: I can't help it.
Speaker 10: I do it at KSL two and I was like
Speaker 10: responding to people who are criticizing me or saying why
Speaker 10: am I wearing what I have on? And they're like, stop,
Speaker 10: stop doing that. But for me, that's my old newspaper thing.
Speaker 10: Like I remember when I wrote a column about Max
Speaker 10: Hall when he had said the crappy stuff about you
Speaker 10: utab and I got five hundred emails within twenty four
Speaker 10: hours and there's no way I'm responding at five hundred emails. Yeah,
Speaker 10: I read most of them. My colleague is pretty much
Speaker 10: at all. I just let them have my email because
Speaker 10: they were stunned at what people would say to a
Speaker 10: woman journalist.
Speaker 9: Right, it was an education for all of us.
Speaker 10: Yeah, but I remember responding to a lot of those
Speaker 10: that people were like, why are you responding to that?
Speaker 10: Because here's the thing. The minute you respond to people,
Speaker 10: they become themselves again. They come back into their body, whatever,
Speaker 10: whatever tick them off, whatever sent them out where they
Speaker 10: could say something nasty to you. Then they come back
Speaker 10: and they go, oh wait, that went to a real person,
Speaker 10: and that real person has thoughts, and now I have
Speaker 10: to defend this really creepy thing that I said.
Speaker 9: I don't do that.
Speaker 10: When people threaten violence, I just those people just get blocked.
Speaker 10: But the people who I think, this guy's not a
Speaker 10: bad person. He has a wife and children. I'm gonna
Speaker 10: do his kids a favor, and I'm going to give
Speaker 10: them a little bit of insight into what he said
Speaker 10: and why that's a problem.
Speaker 2: And it does disarm people.
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't look, I'd never had the tech
Speaker 1: sign fold up.
Speaker 2: We don't take phone calls. I am really never on
Speaker 2: social media.
Speaker 1: My approach to the whole thing has changed a lot
Speaker 1: over the path, like I would say.
Speaker 2: Doing this show.
Speaker 1: And also I need to give Gordon Monson some credit
Speaker 1: for kind of changing my approach during the final few
Speaker 1: years of our show together, because I'll occasionally stumble upon
Speaker 1: a show I did a number of years ago. If
Speaker 1: I have it, I have a few interviews that I liked,
Speaker 1: saved or whatever, and I'm like, you took yourself so seriously,
Speaker 1: Like when I was young in this business, I'm like
Speaker 1: chip on my shoulder, I'm going to prove to.
Speaker 2: Everybody I belong.
Speaker 1: I know what the narrative is around who my father
Speaker 1: is and why I'm where I'm at. So I'm going
Speaker 1: to be better than everybody else, and I'm going to
Speaker 1: be a lot better than everybody else. So you know
Speaker 1: that I deserve to be here, and I just let
Speaker 1: all that go. And I don't take myself near a seriously.
Speaker 1: And I want to use this platform to help people
Speaker 1: and you know, have fun, and it should be fun.
Speaker 2: This is the toy isle of life.
Speaker 1: But at the same time, it's such a great conduit
Speaker 1: to make a difference if you just don't take yourself
Speaker 1: in the craft as seriously as I think most people do.
Speaker 10: What you felt about your parent, who your dad is,
Speaker 10: I felt that about being a woman. Sure, I'm like,
Speaker 10: I'm gonna be better, I'm gonna work harder, I'm going
Speaker 10: to do everything you ask me.
Speaker 9: I'm gonna do it.
Speaker 10: I'm gonna do eighteen times more than you asked me,
Speaker 10: because then you're gonna love me. Then I'm gonna be
Speaker 10: in the fraternity. And guess what you're not. You're never
Speaker 10: it's not there's always going to be somebody saying you're
Speaker 10: only here because you're a woman, or you don't know
Speaker 10: what you're talking about because you're a woman, Like that's
Speaker 10: always going to happen, same as it's always going to happen.
Speaker 10: I had somebody say to me when I had your
Speaker 10: dad on my podcast and we did a bonus episode
Speaker 10: with your dad, which was amazing, and I had a
Speaker 10: business person say to me that was amazing, that was
Speaker 10: like how to be successful in business? That one and
Speaker 10: the one with Jason christ like love the bonus e great.
Speaker 10: They were bonus episodes. And then literally the same day
Speaker 10: I got an email from somebody who said, so, did
Speaker 10: Spence get that interview for you? Or did Dave reach
Speaker 10: out to you? Never did it occur to them that
Speaker 10: I bugged you and your dad? And let me just
Speaker 10: say that your dad was so nice that I bugged
Speaker 10: him two or three times and he's back east doing
Speaker 10: his thing. One of the calls was like clearly, like
Speaker 10: right around midnight, like I just had to do what
Speaker 10: I to do, and he was like, whatever you need
Speaker 10: because he believed in what I was doing and it
Speaker 10: wasn't about he didn't know me. He was like, I try,
Speaker 10: I believe, I want to share this and I believe
Speaker 10: this is a great project.
Speaker 9: And I'm going to do it.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 10: It had nothing to do with any of the things
Speaker 10: that everybody thought it did. And I'm like, Dave wouldn't
Speaker 10: know where to get.
Speaker 9: My phone number.
Speaker 10: I'm pretty sure, But like, I don't even know if
Speaker 10: he knew you and I knew each other until I
Speaker 10: interviewed him and said, oh, I've been on Spencer's show
Speaker 10: a lot. I was like, you don't know if he put.
Speaker 9: Your mom did?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, and they were great.
Speaker 1: Have you and we actually do need to catch a break, Yeah, Ben.
Speaker 2: We'll do some more coming up next with Amy. But
Speaker 2: have you changed the way you kind of approached the
Speaker 2: whole thing?
Speaker 1: Like you reference authenticity, I think the other thing that
Speaker 1: I just realized that I needed to do because it's
Speaker 1: really hard to do this for four hours and then
Speaker 1: change back into who you are in real life. And
Speaker 1: I noticed there was kind of a dynamic that was
Speaker 1: occurring where I was carrying over, like my on air
Speaker 1: persona into my real life and like, you know, i'd
Speaker 1: have friends and you know, people that I spend time
Speaker 1: with that dude, I don't really want to debate you
Speaker 1: right now, like you're not on air, you know, And
Speaker 1: so I try to be just more authentic to who
Speaker 1: I am with this. And I do think there's an
Speaker 1: intimacy to live radio that's a little bit different. It's
Speaker 1: a very intimate platform. It's one of the reasons I
Speaker 1: like it. Like I'll go do a TV hit with
Speaker 1: Dave on KUTV. It's seven minutes, you know, And this
Speaker 1: is different because you're on air for hours at a time,
Speaker 1: and I think people honestly feel like they get to
Speaker 1: know you in a way. And so where I give
Speaker 1: Gordon a lot of credit is him encouraging me to
Speaker 1: As Robin Roberts said when she got her Lifetime Achievement Award,
Speaker 1: this line is always stuck to me.
Speaker 2: Make your mess, your message right.
Speaker 1: And so whether it was stuff I was going through
Speaker 1: personally or you reference you know, my health issues when
Speaker 1: I was young, a brain tumor nearly killed me.
Speaker 2: Gordon's like, go on air with that. I've never done
Speaker 2: that before.
Speaker 1: I don't want to do He's like, no, you will
Speaker 1: be stunned at the reaction of our listener.
Speaker 10: Gordon's actually given me some career changing advice. Gordon and
Speaker 10: Brad Rock two best pieces of advice I got.
Speaker 2: So have you changed the approach over the years.
Speaker 10: Do you feel like I would say now people who
Speaker 10: know me, No, I just I could never do what
Speaker 10: you guys do because I can't be like I'm just
Speaker 10: me sure and nobody wants to put that on air
Speaker 10: for four hours. I mean, it's true, but I and
Speaker 10: I don't blame them, but I you know, in one hour,
Speaker 10: I guess you can handle it one hour a week
Speaker 10: for sure. But I think that Gordon told me you're
Speaker 10: great at this. You're a really good sense of humor.
Speaker 10: You know what you're talking about, but you won't let
Speaker 10: people in on the radio. And if you people can
Speaker 10: get their sports information anywhere. If they don't care about you,
Speaker 10: if they can't connect to you, they're not going to
Speaker 10: listen to you. And that changed the amount I was
Speaker 10: willing to let people in because as a print journalist,
Speaker 10: the lines are really clear. Sure when you do when
Speaker 10: you grow up in newspaper news in a newsroom, there
Speaker 10: it is no pun intended black and white, there's no
Speaker 10: gray area. You go to a banquet to cover it.
Speaker 10: In awards banquet, you do not eat, you do not participate,
Speaker 10: You are not part of the story. That changed when
Speaker 10: I went to sports and I was completely out of
Speaker 10: my element, and Gordon gave me that advice on because
Speaker 10: I was doing sports talk radio, and you can hear
Speaker 10: the difference when you have print reporters on versus broadcast
Speaker 10: report or columnists. Print reporters are always pre editing what
Speaker 10: they want to say, because that's how we write, right.
Speaker 10: We think and write it and then we edit it
Speaker 10: and change it and go over and over until it
Speaker 10: sounds the way we want it to sound. That's not
Speaker 10: a luxury you have in broadcasts. You just have to
Speaker 10: own what you think, what you feel, and how much
Speaker 10: you're willing to share. And that was a shift for me.
Speaker 10: So the change came then. And then I would say,
Speaker 10: Brad Rock, the other significant change is really struggling in sports,
Speaker 10: probably looking to get back into news and leave sports.
Speaker 10: And he saw me at a ski event. I was
Speaker 10: covering in a pre Olympic ski event, and he said,
Speaker 10: and I was expressing to him my frustration and why
Speaker 10: I wanted to go back to news, and he said,
Speaker 10: you're trying to be us. He said, the thing that
Speaker 10: makes you valuable is you're not us. So what if
Speaker 10: you don't know the latest scores and stats, or you
Speaker 10: don't know who the I score was, You can look
Speaker 10: that up, he said, what you when I come and
Speaker 10: talk to you, you know whose grandmother has cancer. You
Speaker 10: know where their fiance is sitting in the stands. He's like,
Speaker 10: you're the only person I know who went over and
Speaker 10: sat with Larry Miller at a WNBA game and never
Speaker 10: came back to press row because Larry invited you to stay,
Speaker 10: and you stayed, and you have three or four stories
Speaker 10: now from that and a column. He's like, that's what
Speaker 10: you do well. And you need to value that, because
Speaker 10: that's what we value. And I realized, like when you
Speaker 10: try to when oftentimes the thing you hate.
Speaker 9: Them about yourself is your superpower.
Speaker 10: The fact that I cannot put up walls around my
Speaker 10: heart and around how I feel and what I think,
Speaker 10: that's actually the reason I can connect people who've had
Speaker 10: experiences I will never have, whose children have been murdered
Speaker 10: and they found their kid in their own house, right, Like,
Speaker 10: I have to sit with them, and I have to
Speaker 10: write something about that. I have to put you in
Speaker 10: somebody's shoes who's forgiven the killer of their son's murderer, right,
Speaker 10: And that's a thing that you can't do if you
Speaker 10: have any anything between you and them. You really have
Speaker 10: to just surrender yourself to the story. I always say,
Speaker 10: Everyone's like, well, how do you decide this?
Speaker 9: Or that?
Speaker 10: It's the story for me, and it sounds hokey, But
Speaker 10: the story is what I serve, and I serve it
Speaker 10: completely and it takes a toll. But I'm also like,
Speaker 10: I feel super lucky that I get to see and
Speaker 10: be inspired by the people I have come in contact
Speaker 10: with over the years. But for me, that's that moment.
Speaker 10: Gordon's in the broadcast side and Brad Rock on the
Speaker 10: print side. What those were the two people who said, like,
Speaker 10: stop trying to be something you're not. And Gordon's was
Speaker 10: just like, if you don't let us in, we're not
Speaker 10: going to listen and nobody you know you can.
Speaker 9: There's so many places to get information. Why would I
Speaker 9: come to you?
Speaker 7: Yeah?
Speaker 2: And he and he was right.
Speaker 1: You know when you say the work is the medicine,
Speaker 1: you know if I'm because it's and we do have
Speaker 1: to catch break and we will. But it's funny all
Speaker 1: these thoughts, this is why I like having you in
Speaker 1: that come to my mind about like stretches of doing
Speaker 1: the show when nobody knows that off air of my
Speaker 1: life was like crumbling, right, And so my dad would
Speaker 1: always say it says Vince Lombardi line, a pro is
Speaker 1: at his best regardless, right. So that light goes on
Speaker 1: at two o'clock. It doesn't matter what's going on out there,
Speaker 1: you can't bring it in here. Right, And there is
Speaker 1: a therapeutic nature doing the show or riding a column.
Speaker 7: Right.
Speaker 10: I covered a hockey game Utah Grizzly soccer game, hockey
Speaker 10: game while my kid was in the ICU at primary
Speaker 10: children's and everybody was like, what are you crazy? And
Speaker 10: I was like, you know what the to escape is, Yeah,
Speaker 10: I for two hours. I'm not a mom whose kid
Speaker 10: might die in surgery.
Speaker 9: I'm a writer. I'm covering hockey and no one gives
Speaker 9: a crap up. It's a game.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, it is all right. We'll catch a break.
Speaker 1: Amy's live in studio for another big segment coming up.
Speaker 2: Don't forget.
Speaker 1: We've got slide today Stevenson Sylvester at four o'clock for
Speaker 1: some utes. Brett Siance pick six previews for some college football,
Speaker 1: so stay tuned. The AP Top twenty five pull is out.
Speaker 1: Friend Amy Donaldson, MUKSL and other platforms over the years,
Speaker 1: is live and studio for another big segments. You're to
Speaker 1: bring in Stevenson Sylvester.
Speaker 2: Today.
Speaker 1: Utah had a scrimmage over the weekend. We are nineteen
Speaker 1: days away from game day. And then Brett Ciancia picked
Speaker 1: six previews. Will stop by, so Amy referenced during the break.
Speaker 2: Last segment was like a.
Speaker 1: Twenty five thirty minute hit just on a lot of
Speaker 1: different things. You know, we went all over the place
Speaker 1: talking little inside baseball and you know, maybe some people
Speaker 1: like it. Maybe some people don't, but that's okay, beauty
Speaker 1: of podcasting as you can listen to whatever part of
Speaker 1: the show you want to later on, but it's we're
Speaker 1: live now. I'm not going to use the term that
Speaker 1: I used during the break about the situation in the
Speaker 1: WNBA with certain things being thrown off on the floor.
Speaker 1: The WNBA finds itself in a really interesting place. And
Speaker 1: I was recently with family members for a family reunion
Speaker 1: and my sister in law was the Mountain West Conference
Speaker 1: freshman of the Year at BYU and basketball. She unfortunately
Speaker 1: hurt both of her knees and so kind of cut
Speaker 1: her career short. They live in Indiana now. They live
Speaker 1: in Carmel, Indiana, and my little niece, Martha May, has
Speaker 1: this Kaitlin Clark jersey she wears all the time. And
Speaker 1: I'm actually going to visit them this weekend. We're going
Speaker 1: to a game. We're going to go see Kaylen Clark
Speaker 1: and the fever play.
Speaker 3: Is she back?
Speaker 9: Is she back from injury?
Speaker 2: I don't know. I hope so. I know she had
Speaker 2: missed seven or eight straight games.
Speaker 1: What do you make of the way that she has
Speaker 1: covered What do you make of the way that the
Speaker 1: sport is covered now as a result of the rise
Speaker 1: popularity that I hate to say, it does seem to
Speaker 1: be because of Kaitlin Clark.
Speaker 2: I'm not saying it's only her, but.
Speaker 9: No, no, I wouldn't disagree with that.
Speaker 10: What I guess what I would say is there's coverage
Speaker 10: from people who don't know anything about wom's basketball and
Speaker 10: don't know anything about the league and don't care about that,
Speaker 10: and they feel like they have to get on board
Speaker 10: with everything that's popular.
Speaker 9: And she's definitely like.
Speaker 10: She's a she's you could ignore women's sports and you
Speaker 10: could ignore the WNBA ninety percent of the time before
Speaker 10: Kaitlin Clark. Yeah, but once she broke on the scene
Speaker 10: in the in the NCAA tournament, there just was too
Speaker 10: much grassroots affection for her and really for the women's game.
Speaker 10: And so you saw this everybody sort of saying, oh, well,
Speaker 10: this is super popular, we have to do something about it.
Speaker 10: And you see this a lot with non traditional sports,
Speaker 10: but with when it comes to women's sports, and I
Speaker 10: would say women's basketball.
Speaker 2: In particular, Oh really, Yeah, why do you think that is?
Speaker 10: Because I think there is a actual bias. There's a
Speaker 10: gender slash sexual sexuality bias and if men most of
Speaker 10: the media, I mean, they did these surveys every year
Speaker 10: when I was covering the Olympics, and they were eighty
Speaker 10: five to ninety percent male and similar statistic white. But
Speaker 10: all of my bosses, all the bosses in almost all
Speaker 10: the news organizations across the country are are middle aged
Speaker 10: white guys or older, right, And so they drive and
Speaker 10: decide ultimately what we cover. And most of my colleagues
Speaker 10: were guys, very few men of color, lots of but
Speaker 10: lots of males. Even if they're men of color, they're
Speaker 10: all almost all male. And there would be time there
Speaker 10: were times in my career where I literally did not
Speaker 10: see a woman unless I was covering a woman's game
Speaker 10: for weeks at a time professionally, right, just you just
Speaker 10: and I would be like, oh, I would notice when
Speaker 10: I saw another woman journalist. I have a mini a
Speaker 10: selfie in my phone of me and the one or
Speaker 10: two or three other one and there were four of
Speaker 10: us at a football game.
Speaker 9: I made a sack of selfie.
Speaker 10: You put it on on social media because it was
Speaker 10: four of us, right, it was a high school game,
Speaker 10: so you know, there you go.
Speaker 9: But anyway, that was just so rare.
Speaker 10: So when most of the people deciding what to get
Speaker 10: covered where you spend resources in media, are men, it's
Speaker 10: gonna be a tall order for women to get even
Speaker 10: thirty percent of the coverage if you just take a look.
Speaker 10: I mean back in the day we had daily newspapers.
Speaker 10: I did this all the time. I would keep track
Speaker 10: of how many stories would go on the front page,
Speaker 10: both at the Trip and at Desright News for women's sports,
Speaker 10: and it was always a controversy b yu, or it
Speaker 10: was like a local mom story, like which I written
Speaker 10: myself mom and also an athlete, right, so I or
Speaker 10: if you know there were first there's always you know women,
Speaker 10: Oh it's women's History month. Oh it's an anniversary of
Speaker 10: Title nine. We did those stories, right, but like they
Speaker 10: just didn't make the cover. And that what I tell
Speaker 10: people is when you pay attention to something, that's what
Speaker 10: you're telling people what you care about. So you don't
Speaker 10: pay attention to something you don't care about it. And
Speaker 10: a lot of these guys, I would say sports talk
Speaker 10: radio is a hopbeed of this. But there's a lot
Speaker 10: of newspaper and a number in broadcasts as well, who
Speaker 10: haven't paid attention to the WNB, don't even know how
Speaker 10: it works, don't care, and don't really see it as
Speaker 10: a league and an athletic league worth investing their time,
Speaker 10: energy and money. And so those people now are forced
Speaker 10: to to commentate and cover and I heard so much crap,
Speaker 10: so much bs, so much you know, vomit, verbal vomit.
Speaker 10: I'll just say from that those people who had had
Speaker 10: nothing good to say about women's sports.
Speaker 9: I covered the WNB when when.
Speaker 10: Utah, when the Utah Stars were here, I was a
Speaker 10: sidebar person for Linda Hamilton, two women covering Hamilton.
Speaker 9: Yeah, professional sports league.
Speaker 10: And I it was the greatest three years of my
Speaker 10: professional I loved it so much, was so fun. I've
Speaker 10: also bought season tickets that I shared with two other
Speaker 10: families because I couldn't afford them by myself, because I
Speaker 10: was a single mom at the time, and I took
Speaker 10: my daughter those games so she could see even if
Speaker 10: she didn't play sports. See these options. You want to
Speaker 10: see women and you want to go. We've seen political speeches,
Speaker 10: we've seen musicians. You want to see them in all
Speaker 10: these different roles, right and so, and I'm a kid,
Speaker 10: you know, grew up on that cusp of Title nine.
Speaker 10: I got opportunities my mom didn't have because of Title nine.
Speaker 10: So I was very cognizant of this when I took
Speaker 10: my kids and did things my two daughters. But to
Speaker 10: listen to them talk about the rise of Caitlin Clark
Speaker 10: and why she was so popular and what was happening
Speaker 10: was disgusting. It was disheartening, It was infuriating. And there
Speaker 10: were a lot of really great journalists who I won't
Speaker 10: repeat all of their but you can go back and
Speaker 10: read them. Sarah Spaine among them, who kept saying, hey,
Speaker 10: you guys are new to this game. Let me help
Speaker 10: you out, and they just spit on her just you know,
Speaker 10: you don't know you're talking about you're a lady who
Speaker 10: wants to be in sports, and you know it was
Speaker 10: that was really hard. So there were really there was
Speaker 10: really good coverage of the rise. But I'll tell you
Speaker 10: look at go back and watch the press conference when
Speaker 10: she got drafted and the guy who's talking to her Doyle,
Speaker 10: Oh yeah, so yeah, I mean so and you and
Speaker 10: I I think we talked about that. But she's had
Speaker 10: to deal with who is her boyfriend? Is she straight
Speaker 10: or gay. Uh, Paige Buker's same thing. You know, is
Speaker 10: she Sophie what's her name? That plays with Caitlyn plays
Speaker 10: with Kaitlin Clark. Now you know she's hot and she's
Speaker 10: you know violent. We love this, you know. So like
Speaker 10: there's this subset. So there's really good coverage out there,
Speaker 10: but you have to work for it. And then there's
Speaker 10: a lot of noise of people who who may know
Speaker 10: other sports, really popular guys, some of them I like
Speaker 10: and listen to their podcasts, who really really missed and
Speaker 10: instead of like correcting it.
Speaker 9: There's been a couple that have corrected.
Speaker 10: It, but a lot of them have come in and
Speaker 10: not said, I don't know this space. Let me let
Speaker 10: me come into this space intelligently, let me come, Let
Speaker 10: me educate myself. Let me bring people in who will
Speaker 10: help me navigate this place in a way that isn't harmful.
Speaker 10: Because women already endure it. Why do you think there's
Speaker 10: so much abuse in women's sports? Right? There are things
Speaker 10: that we already endure. There are things we're so lucky
Speaker 10: to be here, we're so happy to be at the table,
Speaker 10: We're so happy to have your breadcrumbs that we just
Speaker 10: don't ever ask for what we actually should get. And
Speaker 10: case in point, when the women wore at the All
Speaker 10: Star Game, pay us, pay us what we're worth or whatever.
Speaker 10: The T shirt said something about the pay like pay
Speaker 10: us what we should may or pay us what we're worth,
Speaker 10: and everybody was upset about it, and people like Sarah
Speaker 10: Spain said, look at the TV contracts, look at this,
Speaker 10: let's compare it to other leagues.
Speaker 9: Are the women making what they should make?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 10: And everybody's like, well, they don't make money. Well, there's
Speaker 10: other leagues that don't make money that pay their place
Speaker 10: players millions of dollars, right, So that's not there. It's
Speaker 10: very complicated. But I think that the oversimplification and the
Speaker 10: sexism that's inherent in our business has made it both
Speaker 10: amazing and super fun. And I loved it. We've talked
Speaker 10: about it. It's giving me a lot of hope for
Speaker 10: the future. But it's also just tiring. How many people
Speaker 10: just refuse to evolve and learn and just say, oh,
Speaker 10: I learned this today. They just can't be wrong, and
Speaker 10: that's a bummer.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And you know the.
Speaker 1: Shirts that the women wore Overall Star weekend, it was
Speaker 1: really easy in a vacuum to give a snapshot reaction
Speaker 1: about Okay, well, how much money does the league generate?
Speaker 1: What is the revenue of the WNBA. The ultimate reality
Speaker 1: is NBA players receive about fifty one percent of basketball
Speaker 1: related income and WNBA players receive about nine point three
Speaker 1: percent of their basketball related income. Now, I don't have
Speaker 1: their P and L statements. I don't know what that
Speaker 1: league makes compared to the WNBA. I do know evaluations
Speaker 1: for teams have gone through the roof to the tunes
Speaker 1: of hundreds of millions of dollars. But everybody in this
Speaker 1: attention economy, and that goes back to the sex toys
Speaker 1: being thrown on the floor. I mean, this cryptocurrency meme
Speaker 1: coin company is taking credit for it because they were
Speaker 1: clearly looking for attention.
Speaker 10: No but, and this to me is peak American sports moment.
Speaker 10: Women have fought and fought and fought just to get
Speaker 10: a tiny slice of attention, a tiny slice of the financing,
Speaker 10: a tiny slice of what's out there, right, and they
Speaker 10: finally get it.
Speaker 9: They're having this moment.
Speaker 10: Women's sports in general is having this moment where they're
Speaker 10: getting attention or people want to invest financially in them.
Speaker 10: They want to invest their time with them. They want
Speaker 10: to learn their names. This is amazing, right, They want
Speaker 10: to pay attention to their records. And these dudes say, either,
Speaker 10: we don't care about them, we just want share of
Speaker 10: their attention. This is what happened, and this is what
Speaker 10: I think happened when Kaitlyn Clark came.
Speaker 9: On the scene.
Speaker 10: These sports talk guys and these there's some male columnists
Speaker 10: and podcasters who decided, oh my god, these women are
Speaker 10: having this moment, and they couldn't let us have this moment.
Speaker 10: They couldn't educate themselves, they couldn't defer to another. There
Speaker 10: were plenty of women who've covered the WA and womenen
Speaker 10: who've covered women's basketball in the WNBA. They could have
Speaker 10: had on their shows, but they didn't do that. They
Speaker 10: had to take a piece of that moment for themselves.
Speaker 10: They can't just let them succeed. They can't let them
Speaker 10: into this universe that they decided long ago was theirs,
Speaker 10: and they get to decide who comes in and why.
Speaker 9: It's maddening.
Speaker 10: But to me, that sex toy thing was the same
Speaker 10: situation as the Kaitlyn Clark coming on the same here's
Speaker 10: this moment. It's super fun where everything has to be
Speaker 10: a controversy, everything has to be about she's pretty and white,
Speaker 10: and so everyone else is trying to beat her up
Speaker 10: our you know, and I will say, there is a bias.
Speaker 9: You look at coverage.
Speaker 10: Look at the coverage for womenolleyball players or women's soccer
Speaker 10: soccer players compared to women basketball players, or women boxers
Speaker 10: or women wrestlers or anything like that. There is a
Speaker 10: These men are in charge decide who's attractive and who
Speaker 10: will sell, and we all know it sells, so I
Speaker 10: don't have to say it, but I could say it
Speaker 10: in a lot more direct way, which I do off
Speaker 10: the air, and that is that when they decide that,
Speaker 10: they decide that the pretty attractive women are worth investing in,
Speaker 10: and they play sports that men think are feminine, that
Speaker 10: are okay, and in fact, male volleyball players are still
Speaker 10: fighting for respect because it's so much a women's game
Speaker 10: in the US.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and a corner Covid never won a tournament, but
Speaker 1: you know she was dating.
Speaker 2: I think she married a singer pop singer. I can't remember.
Speaker 2: I'll eat the Iglecias guy or whatever who.
Speaker 1: By the way, I had the displeasure of seeing him
Speaker 1: perform live at like an NBA event. Good looking dude
Speaker 1: could not sing a lick that's a side, but had
Speaker 1: a corner.
Speaker 2: It was a perfect example.
Speaker 1: Tennis skirt attractive, never won a tournament, but was like
Speaker 1: the biggest star in her sport because of the way
Speaker 1: she looked.
Speaker 10: Biggest start because the media would pay attention to her. Sure,
Speaker 10: this is the and this is the thing. And then
Speaker 10: but if you get media attention, then you can get sponsors.
Speaker 10: And this is what I always say, Like when we
Speaker 10: brought the Royals back, amazing investment from the community, you know,
Speaker 10: the organization, but I kept saying, like, there's this gap.
Speaker 9: How are you going to get the media to pay attention?
Speaker 10: Because if you can't get the media to pay attention,
Speaker 10: your sources of money will dry up. Because nobody wants
Speaker 10: to pay for something that just operates in the dark, right.
Speaker 10: They want attention. They want to be part of a
Speaker 10: winning thing. And especially when you're not winning, how are
Speaker 10: you getting these women sponsorship deals? How are you getting
Speaker 10: sponsors for your program so that you can buy the
Speaker 10: players you need, so that you can get the investment
Speaker 10: that you need in those women. And that's the missing link.
Speaker 10: That nobody really can answer.
Speaker 1: So the last WNBA CBA was five years ago. Okay,
Speaker 1: So here are some figures to just give you some
Speaker 1: context as to why the shirts were warn and why
Speaker 1: the players are asking for more, because the easiest thing
Speaker 1: for people to do is to use the narrative and look,
Speaker 1: the early years of the WNBA were bankrolled by the NBA.
Speaker 1: Nobody's running from that, but that was in the late nineties.
Speaker 1: That was twenty eight years ago.
Speaker 10: It was also their decision right to invest in women's sports.
Speaker 2: So here are the figures.
Speaker 1: So last year, an eleven year, two point two billion
Speaker 1: dollar TV deal with Disney, Amazon Prime, and NBC Universal,
Speaker 1: the league reported to jump of forty eight percent in attendance,
Speaker 1: one hundred and seventy percent increase in viewership, and a
Speaker 1: six hundred and one percent rise in merchandise sales and
Speaker 1: expansion fees and valuations now roughly average around two hundred
Speaker 1: and fifty million dollars.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 1: So again, these figures indicate that the money is there
Speaker 1: in a way that it has been prior to. And
Speaker 1: if you're a player and you look at the NHL
Speaker 1: where they get forty eight percent, you look at the
Speaker 1: NBA where they get fifty one percent. You look at
Speaker 1: Major League Baseball where it's fifty NFL the same, and
Speaker 1: you are realizing that you are entitled to nine point
Speaker 1: three percent of the revenue generation to buy your league.
Speaker 1: Put yourself in their shoes, you would be pissed off too.
Speaker 10: And I think, I mean I covered them when they
Speaker 10: had to have part time jobs or full time jobs overseas,
Speaker 10: but no, they did both. I mean some of them
Speaker 10: had full time jobs and one was a paramedic. I
Speaker 10: remember this, And I mean Kate Starboard was a scientist.
Speaker 10: You know, she's still like I followed her alder in COVID.
Speaker 10: She's like I made. She's a professor and a scientist,
Speaker 10: and she was one of the best wings in the
Speaker 10: w NBA at the time, right, Like, so, I I
Speaker 10: have trouble with just the ignorance of they're women, so
Speaker 10: they had all the required it is it's that you
Speaker 10: don't really belong here. And really, let me just say,
Speaker 10: all those people who talk like that, they're just telling
Speaker 10: on themselves at this point. So I'm fine letting them
Speaker 10: talk because now I know Who'm not listening to.
Speaker 1: Let me ask you about And this is an interesting
Speaker 1: dynamic here because a lot of young rookies in the NBA.
Speaker 1: There was a book called the Jordan Rules, you know
Speaker 1: Michael Jordan. When he was a young player in the NBA.
Speaker 1: The Detroit Pistons had a rule, no layups, no donks.
Speaker 1: You go in the lane and we're going to take
Speaker 1: your head off.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 1: So this isn't something that has only ever happened to
Speaker 1: Kaitlin Clark, but there does seem to be some treatment
Speaker 1: of her from her peers. Oh, it's a little bit
Speaker 1: no confusing to me. Why no, why what do you
Speaker 1: think that is?
Speaker 10: So again I'll say this is there, that's not an
Speaker 10: figment of your imagination.
Speaker 9: That's true. And here's the thing.
Speaker 10: When you when you're a woman in business, they convince
Speaker 10: you that your biggest competition is other women because there's
Speaker 10: only room for one of you at the big table.
Speaker 10: So if you want to get in the big table,
Speaker 10: the room where it happens, then you've got to beat
Speaker 10: out all these other women. They don't tell you the
Speaker 10: men are your competition, just the other women.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 10: So women are not the worst women. The worst people
Speaker 10: to me in my career have been other women in
Speaker 10: a lot of cases. Interesting, right, My mentors are mostly
Speaker 10: men and that is not an accidents because women are
Speaker 10: pitted against each other through in business. Now that has
Speaker 10: been shifting, right. So imagine you grew up in that
Speaker 10: situation and you're all competing for it. There's only this
Speaker 10: tiny tiny bit of spotlight, you know, this little tiny
Speaker 10: pinhole of spotlight. And if Caitlin Clark takes it all,
Speaker 10: there isn't any for Aja Wilson or Asia Wilson, there
Speaker 10: isn't any for you know, anybody.
Speaker 9: Page Bukers like, you can't have.
Speaker 10: Two stars like we love in the NBA that there's
Speaker 10: a bunch of good rivalries.
Speaker 9: We love, we love. That's what made the NBA great.
Speaker 10: It was what made it solved, and it was what
Speaker 10: made it a billion dollar business. That's what works is
Speaker 10: these rivalries. Is the good guy and the bad guy,
Speaker 10: is the villain and the and the hero. All those
Speaker 10: things really work. We love them, right, But we as
Speaker 10: women are taught first of all, no one wants to
Speaker 10: be the villain.
Speaker 9: You're the villain.
Speaker 10: You're never getting a shoot al' you know what I mean.
Speaker 10: So you we can't do what men do. You can
Speaker 10: be Dennis Rodman and make a zillion dollars because you're
Speaker 10: the bad guy every I mean, think of hockey.
Speaker 9: Hockey wouldn't be hockey without a lot of people stepping
Speaker 9: up to say, I want to be the villain, the enforcer.
Speaker 9: I want that role.
Speaker 10: So women don't get to do that, right, And that's
Speaker 10: why I love the Sophie Cunningham storyline because she's hot,
Speaker 10: so they're gonna let her be a villain. And I mean,
Speaker 10: I love the commentary out of that. And also, like thought,
Speaker 10: here comes the verbal vomit. Right, Oh, they hate her
Speaker 10: because she's beautiful.
Speaker 9: No, they don't.
Speaker 10: They hate her because she's being a villain. But she's
Speaker 10: being she's able to be a villain because she's hot.
Speaker 9: You know, she was not hot.
Speaker 10: If she looked like some of the other women in WNBA,
Speaker 10: that would not be allowed, no one. They would be like,
Speaker 10: get that, put that animal in chains. I've heard this
Speaker 10: said about women basketball players, right, And so my problem
Speaker 10: is when you look at this, you can't look at
Speaker 10: it in isolation. It is part of society, and we
Speaker 10: are told there's only so much for us, for women,
Speaker 10: it's a finite amount of resource, and what a lot
Speaker 10: of young women are learning is that's a lie. There's
Speaker 10: as much as we want to make there is no
Speaker 10: It's like love, there's no finite amount of it. We
Speaker 10: can we can create a table, we can create a
Speaker 10: different universe. And a lot of the women are embracing it.
Speaker 10: Some of the women, especially the older women, are still
Speaker 10: in doctrine of the way I was, which is, hey,
Speaker 10: your competition is other women. I rejected that, right, but
Speaker 10: like a lot of women haven't. A lot of women
Speaker 10: in my age are still in that mindset. And they're
Speaker 10: in that mindset because if you want to get rewarded,
Speaker 10: you have to play in a men's world. I don't
Speaker 10: care about getting rewarded at this point. So you know,
Speaker 10: my reward is I get to do a job I love, sure,
Speaker 10: and I work for a woman, and I work with women.
Speaker 9: So there you go.
Speaker 1: All right, well said, before I set you loose, give
Speaker 1: me a quick thought because you referenced the royals and
Speaker 1: they trade alley for six hundred k spread out over
Speaker 1: three years, and you know the coach comes out is like, yeah,
Speaker 1: she wanted to be traded. I mean, I can't speak
Speaker 1: to that. I don't know if that's the truth, but
Speaker 1: it's not even not a very good team. And she
Speaker 1: was she might be the starting striker for our women's
Speaker 1: national team during the next World Cup cycle.
Speaker 9: Oh, I'm sure.
Speaker 1: And the last time they were here, they were second
Speaker 1: in n USL and attendance. Portland was the only other
Speaker 1: city they was out drawing Salt Lake. I haven't seen
Speaker 1: the up to date numbers, but I've seen the crowds.
Speaker 1: They're not the same that they were. And now the
Speaker 1: Royals last time around had Becky and Kristin Press and
Speaker 1: several World Cup stars. But man, you get rid of Ali,
Speaker 1: and she seemed to be the main reason people are
Speaker 1: showing up.
Speaker 10: Well, I think I don't know. I don't know about
Speaker 10: why people are. I know I'm a season ticket holder
Speaker 10: and I know why I do or don't try up
Speaker 10: and it's not because of Ali. But I think the
Speaker 10: hard thing about the Ali trade is that they center.
Speaker 9: To Kansas City, the best team in Luiza. Yeah, who
Speaker 9: didn't need any help.
Speaker 10: And it just doesn't make any sense why you Yeah,
Speaker 10: you trade Donovan Mitchell, but you don't send him to
Speaker 10: your you're in conference rival, like you.
Speaker 9: Don't you know what I mean?
Speaker 10: Like there's some okay, you don't want to stay here
Speaker 10: or whatever. The reality is, right whatever, this story behind
Speaker 10: the scenes is, we have to this, we have to
Speaker 10: part ways. But they seemed like shooting yourself on the foot, right,
Speaker 10: And it seemed like like no, there was no no
Speaker 10: self preservation mode. I guess you know what I mean, like, Okay,
Speaker 10: well this has to happen, but we're gonna.
Speaker 9: Do what we can to get X y or Z yep.
Speaker 9: It was like, let's just be nice for her. She
Speaker 9: wants to go there.
Speaker 10: Friends are there so cool, and it just seemed like
Speaker 10: to me, it's reminded me of like like a college
Speaker 10: thing or a little league thing, like it's not that
Speaker 10: big a deal.
Speaker 9: We're just friends, right, We're just having fun. And I'm like,
Speaker 9: this is business.
Speaker 3: Yeah right.
Speaker 10: So I think that was the thing that was baffling.
Speaker 10: I believe that she didn't want to stay here. I
Speaker 10: believe the coach when he was talking, and I think
Speaker 10: he's an amazing coach. And I know Dunny went off
Speaker 10: on David's show and said, you have to wonder, you know,
Speaker 10: what's happening or whatever, like what kind of culture they building?
Speaker 12: Whatever?
Speaker 10: Those are good questions to ask, right, But like I
Speaker 10: think you can talk to the women and they love
Speaker 10: what's being built there, and they love the way it's happening.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 10: We did a little off the record thing, and I
Speaker 10: don't know that I've met a male coach that I
Speaker 10: would rather play for.
Speaker 2: I don't know them at all.
Speaker 10: Yeah, and I won't talk about what was because it
Speaker 10: wasn't off the record thing, but I asked very pointed questions,
Speaker 10: including like do you know when your players are on
Speaker 10: their periods? So yeah, I want like these are OK,
Speaker 10: because these affect a woman's help in a way that
Speaker 10: I mean. I I'll never forget covering World Cup speed skating.
Speaker 11: Uh.
Speaker 10: You know, this is the highest level of speed skating
Speaker 10: outside of the Olympics. And the woman who was the
Speaker 10: best speed skater in the world at one thousand meter
Speaker 10: what finishes a race goes over and throws up in
Speaker 10: a garbage can. So I'm thinking you mustut the flu right,
Speaker 10: I mean, you don't see that otherwise. So we wait
Speaker 10: for our time in the mix Suner and I say,
Speaker 10: you know what's going on. I started my period this morning.
Speaker 10: I eat food. I shouldn't have eaten food. It always
Speaker 10: makes me sick and starts talking about it because anyone
Speaker 10: new sided period knows it affects your health. It affects
Speaker 10: your ability to do all the things you do all
Speaker 10: the other days.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 10: And it was the first time though a professional athlete
Speaker 10: had brought it into the mix zone, and the men
Speaker 10: were visibly like, I don't want to talk about it.
Speaker 9: About it like whoa, whoa, WHOA Why.
Speaker 2: I wouldn't feel comfortable asking that question, why.
Speaker 9: Are we going here? Well, I wouldn't ask. I didn't
Speaker 9: ask are you on your period?
Speaker 5: Right?
Speaker 9: I wouldn't ask them on that, but I would say, like,
Speaker 9: what's up with you?
Speaker 10: I would say that to a male athlete, you just
Speaker 10: vomited in a garbage can after your race.
Speaker 9: What's going on? I'm not feeling great.
Speaker 10: This is what happened, right, what I talk I've had
Speaker 10: a football players. I three Taco Bell burritos and it
Speaker 10: was not a good choice. So you asked us questions
Speaker 10: because they give you context for what's happening. But like
Speaker 10: what I'm saying is women have not women are higher.
Speaker 10: Instead of knee injury that loosened your joints, they're all
Speaker 10: kinds of problems, back injury, neck injury. There's no higher
Speaker 10: concussion proto. The highest rate of concussion in high school
Speaker 10: sports is girls soccer. So there are reasons to know
Speaker 10: those things, right, and so I want to talk about
Speaker 10: those things with coaches and trainers and owners, and they
Speaker 10: haven't been It hasn't been allowed, So I thought the
Speaker 10: perfect place was this off the record thing. It did
Speaker 10: make some people uncomfortable, I think, but you know who
Speaker 10: didn't get squeamished about it the coach. The coach who
Speaker 10: was like, not only do I know it, I know
Speaker 10: who and what and how it impacts them, And I
Speaker 10: changed things up for them based on that. That's great,
Speaker 10: And that to me is like, that's where we have
Speaker 10: to go with coaching in general. If we're going to
Speaker 10: be that sensitive about a man's injury, or you know,
Speaker 10: we try to be that sensitive now with mental health, right,
Speaker 10: why wouldn't we also factor and if you know women,
Speaker 10: you know their cycle is a hormones are a major
Speaker 10: part of their lives, right, and so why wouldn't you
Speaker 10: Why wouldn't that be a thing we talk about with
Speaker 10: trainers and medical staff and coaches, right, But that's not happening.
Speaker 10: So I will say I don't know all of what
Speaker 10: went into it. I was shocked at that there wasn't
Speaker 10: an attempt to get more or to make it so
Speaker 10: that it didn't hurt the Royals in the short term,
Speaker 10: and that it didn't hurt so much in like a morale.
Speaker 10: From a morale perspective, there should have been I think
Speaker 10: a bigger statement about, hey, this is a situation. Here's
Speaker 10: why it's going to feel the way it's going to feel.
Speaker 10: But it was like, like, don't ask, Let's pretend that
Speaker 10: this doesn't matter, and it matters. We already have it,
Speaker 10: as we've said, Uh, you know, an inferiority complex.
Speaker 9: We don't need, we don't need to fuel that fire.
Speaker 10: We need to address it right out of the gate
Speaker 10: and say this is going to hurt, but here's why
Speaker 10: it's not going to be. Here's why you shouldn't worry.
Speaker 10: Here's why you should still come out and support us.
Speaker 10: Here's what we're still doing, you know, and that that
Speaker 10: didn't happen.
Speaker 2: Amy, that is our time. It's always great.
Speaker 9: To should you talk about Chris is a Madison arcle.
Speaker 2: I know, I know, but we are like ten.
Speaker 9: I know, I know, and I'm super excited you have Sly.
Speaker 9: I love Sly but.
Speaker 1: We'll get you back soon. Okay, great to see it,
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Speaker 1: little bit, we'll break down the entire Big twelve the
Speaker 1: landscape of college football, So stay tuned for that Week
Speaker 1: three of camp.
Speaker 2: Kyle going on up on the Hill.
Speaker 1: Our next guest, one of the best to ever do
Speaker 1: it at the University of Utah, longtime NFL VET. You
Speaker 1: can hear them on our broadcast and bounce around TV
Speaker 1: radio around town. Our guys Stevenson Sylvester on a Monday afternoon, sly,
Speaker 1: happy Monday Man, how are we hey?
Speaker 3: How you doing? How you doing? How are you doing?
Speaker 1: Brother good Man and good I appreciate the time today
Speaker 1: so as somebody who has been through a fall camp experience,
Speaker 1: with coach wit. Week three starts today, sly, are we
Speaker 1: talking about UCLA specific game prep? What's kind of the
Speaker 1: tone and tenor of week three of camp under Coe Win?
Speaker 11: And all you're trying to do is not slap the
Speaker 11: man next to you. That's all you're You're in the
Speaker 11: dog days of camp.
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 11: It's it's crazy. You don't start uh u c l
Speaker 11: A prep till next week. So next Monday will be
Speaker 11: started prep. This is this is gonna be kind of
Speaker 11: the last week of training camp and then you know,
Speaker 11: next week is an adjustment of going back to school
Speaker 11: and and all the other logistical things outside of football
Speaker 11: you gotta take care of.
Speaker 3: Is next week. But this is just I'm I'm tired.
Speaker 11: This is the last week of training camp, and let
Speaker 11: me not try to get in a fight because I'm
Speaker 11: tired of seeing the same guy's face.
Speaker 3: These is what they call the dog days.
Speaker 11: It's real. I asked coach on Saturday if they're in
Speaker 11: and he's like, oh, yeah, we're in the dog days now.
Speaker 11: So but yeah, man, right right right now? Is it's
Speaker 11: it's just good man. This team they're they're looking really good.
Speaker 11: I saw their scrimmage on Saturday. I saw practice on Thursday.
Speaker 11: I like where we're at. You know, of course, you're
Speaker 11: not exactly where we're supposed to be, and I'll expect
Speaker 11: us to be exactly where we want to be to
Speaker 11: a few weeks into the season. But I feel confident
Speaker 11: heading into UCLA.
Speaker 1: So as somebody who's been able to get eyes on
Speaker 1: the team in a way that most don't. Let's start
Speaker 1: with just a big picture question slide, which is what
Speaker 1: gives you the most confident that this will be the
Speaker 1: back you know, the bounce back season most people are
Speaker 1: expecting for Utah year two in the Big twelve.
Speaker 11: Well, it has to be a competence on the offensive
Speaker 11: side of the ball, right. I wasn't secure after spring,
Speaker 11: right with the new offense, Jason Bank coming in, people
Speaker 11: coming in and out. But the team that I saw
Speaker 11: this past Saturday is very different than the team I
Speaker 11: saw in spring. As far as functionality, of course, there
Speaker 11: are new players with the transfers, but as far as
Speaker 11: everybody being able to cohesively work together is what I
Speaker 11: saw is a benefit.
Speaker 3: And you know, from.
Speaker 11: Short yardage plays to red zone plays, some of the
Speaker 11: most effective and efficient and most important parts of the
Speaker 11: football game. Are those areas right? Can you convert on
Speaker 11: third down? Can you convert in the red zone?
Speaker 3: Right? The most important.
Speaker 11: Statistics and and we saw a lot of situational football
Speaker 11: on Saturday, and so I was very excited to see
Speaker 11: who's going to be their targets. You know, who are
Speaker 11: they going after, Who's actually standing out? Even this late
Speaker 11: into camp. You know, you get late in the camp
Speaker 11: and guys are just like, man, I'm tired, I'm tired
Speaker 11: of working. But you've seen a lot of guys who
Speaker 11: are still bringing the energy. The competition was there, of course,
Speaker 11: you know the defenses in Scaley and and shrew Shaw
Speaker 11: and the rest of the defensive coaches got those guys
Speaker 11: always on point. But the competition that I saw was
Speaker 11: was terrific. And I love the offensive output that I
Speaker 11: seen on Saturday.
Speaker 2: So it's it's interesting.
Speaker 1: This is the time of year where or you know,
Speaker 1: the Coaches Poll comes out last week, ap Pool comes
Speaker 1: out today. Anybody in college football media is making their predictions.
Speaker 1: And last year it was almost a consensus the Utah
Speaker 1: if they weren't picked to win it, they were picked
Speaker 1: as one of the top two teams. I mean, not
Speaker 1: just US locally, nationally, everybody expected Utah to win the
Speaker 1: Big Twelve championship a year ago, or at least be
Speaker 1: in that championship game. And there are some people this
Speaker 1: year that have picked Utah to win the conference, but
Speaker 1: not many, and they have not been ranked in the
Speaker 1: top twenty five with either of the coaches or the
Speaker 1: ap pole. What sort of dynamic does that give the
Speaker 1: coaching staff to motivate the team and do you prefer
Speaker 1: to be the hunter or the hunt? Did because last
Speaker 1: year target on Utah's back year, one of the Big twelve,
Speaker 1: longtime Big Twelve member institutions turned off at some of
Speaker 1: the hubris. Oh you think you're gonna come into the
Speaker 1: conference and dominate right away? None of that is their
Speaker 1: slide this year. How did the coaches use that as motivation?
Speaker 11: Well, I think even before last season, it was an
Speaker 11: uncomfortable position for coach Witt. I think he alluded to
Speaker 11: it in media days before the year started last year.
Speaker 11: He's like, I'm normally not in this position, So this
Speaker 11: is something that We're gonna have to navigate around. And
Speaker 11: I think coach WIT's always been in a hunter position,
Speaker 11: you know, as a mentality as him as a player.
Speaker 11: From his playing days to the coaching days at Utah
Speaker 11: and everything that he's been a part of, he's always
Speaker 11: been overlooked and so that's just been a comfortable place
Speaker 11: for him to be able to be like, Okay, I
Speaker 11: have aspirations, I know where to go set when you're
Speaker 11: on top, it's kind of like I got to keep
Speaker 11: people at bay and that's just a different type of
Speaker 11: Honestly it shouldn't. But like when you're motivating guys and
Speaker 11: you having all these outside voices, you're just gonna have
Speaker 11: to that's a different conversation that you have to you
Speaker 11: have to tell people because a head coaches or a
Speaker 11: coach's main job is to motivate.
Speaker 3: How do I get guys to be the best that
Speaker 3: they can be? Right?
Speaker 11: And that's why coach Witt is so good. But he's
Speaker 11: just more comfortable in that hunter position. I want to
Speaker 11: go get those guys who say that they're on top,
Speaker 11: and that's that's kind of his mentality. So last year
Speaker 11: was different, and that's why I think this is more
Speaker 11: of a comfortable flow as far as the conversation that
Speaker 11: needs to be had with motivating this team and what
Speaker 11: what to get out there. Right, there's so many things
Speaker 11: out there, and last year was an experience, right, and
Speaker 11: so what did you take from that? What did you
Speaker 11: learn from that as far as what depth did you
Speaker 11: need to have, What type of game planning did you
Speaker 11: need to have, What type of contingencies do you have
Speaker 11: to have in place to handle adversity?
Speaker 3: And I think that this team is.
Speaker 11: Is more equipped from that experience last year to go
Speaker 11: into this year and and and really take the Big
Speaker 11: twelve on and and get to that Big twelve championship game.
Speaker 1: So coach Wit isn't usually effusive with praise. I mean,
Speaker 1: he will get he will give credit where credit is due.
Speaker 1: But for a program that has had Tony Bergerstrom and
Speaker 1: Zane Beatles and Caleb schlatter Off and Garrett Bowles and
Speaker 1: Chris came out to and plenty of other offensive linemen
Speaker 1: that I could name, for Kyle to say this is
Speaker 1: the best offensive line he's ever had in twenty one
Speaker 1: years at the University of Utah. When Kyle himself will
Speaker 1: make those types of maybe borderline hyperbolic statements, I think
Speaker 1: people stand up and pay attention. Another honor today for
Speaker 1: Spencer or Spencer Fono, who was named as an ESPN
Speaker 1: preseason All American and the best offensive tackle in the
Speaker 1: country according to a lot of outlets.
Speaker 2: Are you in lockstep pair?
Speaker 1: Do you believe this could potentially be the best o
Speaker 1: line that Utah has ever had?
Speaker 2: And what does that mean for Devin under center?
Speaker 11: No, I mean, I'm a guy that is you got
Speaker 11: to prove it instead of somebody saying it.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 11: If you guys remember last year he said this is
Speaker 11: the best offense that he's ever had as well, Right,
Speaker 11: so even with one guy gone, how does our offense
Speaker 11: fall the way it did last year? So as a motivator,
Speaker 11: as we said, that's stuff that he has to say.
Speaker 11: Hopefully he's motivating this offensive line to be better and
Speaker 11: holding them because one thing that coach Witt has ever
Speaker 11: since my playing days, his biggest thing is leader, set
Speaker 11: the bar and demand everybody live up to that bar. Right,
Speaker 11: So everybody's got to live up. And so if this
Speaker 11: offensive line is highly touted with to all Americans preseason
Speaker 11: all Americans, they're they're they're leading the forefront, so you
Speaker 11: expect a lot out of them.
Speaker 3: So that's what I believe is coming from them.
Speaker 11: But I'm not I'm not crowning anybody before it's said
Speaker 11: and done. If I see two hundred plus, uh, two
Speaker 11: hundred plus rushing yards on the ground per game and
Speaker 11: great offensive protection and allowed Devin damp Here to get
Speaker 11: the ball downfield and give him time, That's when I'll
Speaker 11: do it. You know. I got to see the work
Speaker 11: instead of hear the work, right, And and that's just
Speaker 11: one thing that we all have not been privy of,
Speaker 11: is the consistency of work, because it can all fall apart.
Speaker 11: This is supposed to be one of the best offenses
Speaker 11: Coach Witting has ever had or been a part of
Speaker 11: last year, and and that.
Speaker 3: Was just not the case.
Speaker 11: And so I'm more on the sense of I want
Speaker 11: to see it and I can't wait to see it
Speaker 11: in the Rose Bowl.
Speaker 3: There's no better feed.
Speaker 11: I think Spencer final is everything that he's I think
Speaker 11: he's worth every praise, every accolade that is out there.
Speaker 3: Right. He's extremely athletic, he's a great leader. Guys love him.
Speaker 13: Uh.
Speaker 11: He does everything pass, protect, get out and run and
Speaker 11: in the screen game. Uh, he's great in the run game.
Speaker 11: Double team blocks, single blocks. You can put him on
Speaker 11: an island. He is your prototypical you know, backside block,
Speaker 11: and that's exactly what you need to have for a
Speaker 11: new offense. And and so I love Spencer final and
Speaker 11: and being able to have that weapon. But I love
Speaker 11: all the other weapons that on this team, from Michael
Speaker 11: Mochafizi to Jared Cump to to toky I to Caleb
Speaker 11: They're like, these guys are great and up and coming.
Speaker 11: Uh Corner Canyon, you know, I call him an all American.
Speaker 11: The guy was all world and and I Garcia. I
Speaker 11: can't wait to see him actually do some stuff because
Speaker 11: he's had a year to grow and be on here
Speaker 11: and he's going to be a contributor in this and
Speaker 11: and and I think that since this offensive line is
Speaker 11: so important, you're gonna see a lot more of them, right,
Speaker 11: You're gonna see a lot more offensive line output this year.
Speaker 11: And I'm I'm talking about run game being huge away
Speaker 11: Sean Parker, the Currie Rogers, all these guys that are
Speaker 11: running football Andrews you can see them having breakout years.
Speaker 3: I'm looking forward to that year.
Speaker 11: Where we had Makai, Bernard, tamy On Thomas and sorry
Speaker 11: and forgetting the other running backs name where you know,
Speaker 11: those guys could each go for one hundred yards per game,
Speaker 11: and it'd be easy.
Speaker 3: I'm looking for an offensive line year like that.
Speaker 11: Man, So it's supposed to be big outputs, but I
Speaker 11: don't want to put too much on this offense. I
Speaker 11: want to keep them in there, get their heads focused,
Speaker 11: and take it game by game and and and and
Speaker 11: see that output. Forty plus points a game is what
Speaker 11: we should be at.
Speaker 2: Interesting stuff there.
Speaker 1: I'm glad you mentioned it because coach with himself, I think,
Speaker 1: and I'll just speak for myself, I was under the
Speaker 1: impression that it was going to be Wayshan is like
Speaker 1: a bell cow. And look, you always want multiple like,
Speaker 1: there's nothing wrong with having two three four backs you
Speaker 1: like as you reference. But tell me what you've seen
Speaker 1: from both way Sean Parker and Aquari Rogers, the two
Speaker 1: running backs that are competing for carries.
Speaker 2: According to Kyle himself, Oh man.
Speaker 3: The biggest thing for me is their stature, right.
Speaker 11: I think Wyshan is a really solid running back, and
Speaker 11: the Curis is extremely versatile from the stuff that I've
Speaker 11: seen as far as catching the ball out of the
Speaker 11: backfield and.
Speaker 3: Being a very very very good, complimentary back.
Speaker 11: They've been given our defense fits and that's something that
Speaker 11: just doesn't happen, right. It's you got guys on that
Speaker 11: defensive front with Levanni de Mooney, Jone, o'hall, lander Barton,
Speaker 11: even coming down to the box with Ta Johnson, and
Speaker 11: you see our offensive line and running backs have some success, man,
Speaker 11: And that's just that's great. That's good on good, right,
Speaker 11: And that's what I saw inside. I saw the first
Speaker 11: team versus the first team and everybody giving each other
Speaker 11: back and forth. Man. Defense doing great, offense doing great,
Speaker 11: and it's awesome, man.
Speaker 3: So I love to see it.
Speaker 11: I can't wait to see the Curie Rodgers, of course,
Speaker 11: was in the system, so this is something that's very
Speaker 11: familiar with him. He's being able to help all the
Speaker 11: other running backs and understanding exactly what they should be
Speaker 11: looking for because he was in the system last year.
Speaker 11: Way Sean Parker, he is. I believe he has the
Speaker 11: capability of being that thousand yard rusher we need, right,
Speaker 11: we need a thousand yard rusher.
Speaker 3: I think we're gonna get it from Devin Devins. Speed
Speaker 3: is just elite.
Speaker 11: I mean in practice right now, we can't really tell
Speaker 11: because you want your quarterback more focused on trying to
Speaker 11: complete that pass.
Speaker 3: But boy, when he.
Speaker 11: Wants to pull that ball down and run, good luck defense.
Speaker 11: And so we get to actually have another quarterback being
Speaker 11: a thousand yard rusher because of that. But there's a
Speaker 11: lot of talent across this board, and I'm very, very
Speaker 11: excited to see who's going to be the star of
Speaker 11: this offense. I don't think there's a number one yet,
Speaker 11: right The closest for me right now is hey, tight
Speaker 11: end you right, Dallan Bitley. I man, he looks big,
Speaker 11: he looks fast, he looks determined, and I'm telling you, folks,
Speaker 11: watch out for that guy.
Speaker 3: He's gonna be a big factor in this offense.
Speaker 11: And I can't wait to see what he does against
Speaker 11: other competition besides our own. But he's somebody who I've
Speaker 11: seen put in the work in this offseason and it's
Speaker 11: definitely looked like it's paying off.
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 11: So seeing all the weapons that we have at our disposal,
Speaker 11: it's gonna be absolutely awesome.
Speaker 2: Very nice.
Speaker 1: The Utah does not have a quarterback battle on their
Speaker 1: hands like BYU and some other schools. We know the
Speaker 1: jobs devins, but behind him, I've been somewhat surprised to
Speaker 1: hear all this Afuseid praise for Bird Ficklin. I don't
Speaker 1: know anything about the kid at all. I'm not and
Speaker 1: on him. I'm just saying I thought the job would
Speaker 1: be Isaac's. It's interesting when you listen to Kyle and
Speaker 1: coach back talk about Bird and you know, kind of
Speaker 1: dig into his pedigree a little bit. He does seem
Speaker 1: to play more like Devin does than Isaac Wood. I'm
Speaker 1: not saying Isaac can escape, We've seen it before, but
Speaker 1: I wonder if that dynamic gives Bird a little bit
Speaker 1: of a handoff. How do you think that qb room
Speaker 1: is developing behind Devin as of now?
Speaker 11: Sly, it's more for me, it's gotta be game plan, right.
Speaker 11: Bird Finkland is talented. When you watched him in the spring,
Speaker 11: you're just like, this kid's a.
Speaker 2: Freshman, Like, like, what the heck?
Speaker 11: Just a left I'm telling you, As a defender, you
Speaker 11: practice right handed quarterbacks. Right your your best cornerback is
Speaker 11: the left cornerback because that's the right side of the
Speaker 11: offense and the right But when you have a left
Speaker 11: hander who can do the things that Bird Flinklan is doing,
Speaker 11: it definitely puts your defense in a in a complex
Speaker 11: man and and so I love his talent.
Speaker 3: You know, I still think he has them developing going.
Speaker 3: He's a freshman, right.
Speaker 11: We saw great things from Isaac last last training camp
Speaker 11: in spring, and and we were solid on him coming
Speaker 11: in and in the season.
Speaker 3: It just it was a lot of adversity. It was
Speaker 3: hard to handle.
Speaker 11: It was a lot a lot of pressure, and I
Speaker 11: don't want to see that from bird Finkland. I still
Speaker 11: think there's a lot of development going. But one thing
Speaker 11: that I've seen that I loved is Isaac. You know,
Speaker 11: Isaac always thrown a great football, right, and I think that,
Speaker 11: you know, he hasn't had that sort of attention on
Speaker 11: him this offseason. He's been able to relax and and
Speaker 11: and dive into the playbook and and really immerse himself
Speaker 11: into this team and be a leader. And I've seen
Speaker 11: a lot of development of him just over the past
Speaker 11: week of from what I've seen in the spring to now.
Speaker 11: And it's more of a comfortability and confidence, right. Being
Speaker 11: a quarterback is all about confidence. And I had never
Speaker 11: understood that till I was in the same locker room
Speaker 11: with Ben Roethlisberger. That guy had an elite confidence about
Speaker 11: himself that even if he threw an interception, he knew
Speaker 11: for a fact I'm gonna get a touchdown, right, and
Speaker 11: he's just know my odds of touchdown to interception ratio.
Speaker 11: I'm gonna put my team in the best position win,
Speaker 11: whether it's running the football or handing the ball off,
Speaker 11: I mean, or throwing a touchdown to Mike Wallace or
Speaker 11: hinz Ward.
Speaker 3: And I just.
Speaker 11: Love that that energy and that confidence that Ben Roethlisberger had,
Speaker 11: and at the quarterback position, that's what it's all about.
Speaker 11: So if Isaac can hone in on his confidence and
Speaker 11: don't let the outside noise or anything else shake it.
Speaker 11: He's a talented guy, as I said Bird, people's talented
Speaker 11: left handed guy that puts defenses in a very hard position.
Speaker 11: But he's still a freshman, right, and so he's got
Speaker 11: a lot to learn, a lot of experience, a lot
Speaker 11: of speed of the game.
Speaker 3: He's got to understand and consistency with throws. Right.
Speaker 11: We saw last year where simple out routes or simple
Speaker 11: flat routes were thrown into the dirt without pressure, right,
Speaker 11: And that's that's freshman like behavior. And so I saw
Speaker 11: some of that from Bird. But you know that's not
Speaker 11: saying that he can't throw the football, but it's about
Speaker 11: consistency and confidence at the quarterback position.
Speaker 2: One more positional group questions.
Speaker 1: So there are seventeen wide receivers on the roster. There's
Speaker 1: only one though, that has thirty career catches in college football.
Speaker 1: That's Ryan Davis, the new Mexico transfer coach. Witt himself
Speaker 1: with Sean and I Big twelve Media Days, discussed a
Speaker 1: little bit of I don't know if it's consternation, just
Speaker 1: unknown in that room.
Speaker 7: So what you're.
Speaker 1: Understanding about how that wide receiver room is shaken out
Speaker 1: as of now sly.
Speaker 3: As I said, I was alluding to that.
Speaker 11: I was just like, there's a lot of talent and
Speaker 11: there's no number one. I was like, Dallan Bitley for
Speaker 11: me right now is the number one and he's tied in.
Speaker 11: But in the receiver room, I was seeing so many
Speaker 11: guys get touches, get looks, and pass the ball and
Speaker 11: do some amazing things from freshman from freshman's to sophomores
Speaker 11: to seniors to new transfers. I don't think that's determined
Speaker 11: on who we're going to get the ball to, because
Speaker 11: insistently and one of these guys, these guys are all talented,
Speaker 11: and I think they're all worthy. So whoever ends up winning, Uh,
Speaker 11: those jobs are winning, those targets I'm gonna be happy with.
Speaker 11: I think it's gonna be it's gonna be awesome. I
Speaker 11: actually like Tobias May Merriweather.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 11: He's a six four sixty five body that's long, strong,
Speaker 11: and extremely competitive and he can go up and get
Speaker 11: the ball. And he's had a great, great training camp.
Speaker 11: He's a new transfer, so we didn't get to see
Speaker 11: him in the spring, but uh, he looks great and
Speaker 11: I'd love to get him the ball and in deep
Speaker 11: passing situations because if defenses want to crowd the box
Speaker 11: for Devin, you're.
Speaker 3: Gonna get a guy who could take the top off
Speaker 3: the defense.
Speaker 11: In in Tobias Merriweather, and who can be double cover
Speaker 11: from the post safety and the cornerback and he can
Speaker 11: come down with it.
Speaker 3: That excites me, right. And and then uh, Dadrian Zipperer.
Speaker 11: He's a guy who's been in the system and been
Speaker 11: around and you know he's just a redshirt sophomore, but
Speaker 11: he's a guy that can run all the routes. I
Speaker 11: loved his route running the days of practice that I've
Speaker 11: seen thus far, and so we just have no idea
Speaker 11: who's going to be that guy to come out right
Speaker 11: and from it being Nate Johnson or it being Justin
Speaker 11: see the Stevenson, there's not a number two, number one guy.
Speaker 3: But I think by the time game comes.
Speaker 11: We're gonna see we're gonna see those guys step up
Speaker 11: and make it happens.
Speaker 1: Live before I say you loose, I have a question
Speaker 1: about a teammate of yours, and I've often said this before,
Speaker 1: and I'm sure it could be open for debate, but
Speaker 1: I believe the two thousand and nine Sugar Bowl win
Speaker 1: over Alabama is potentially the best individual accomplishment that any
Speaker 1: Utah football team has ever had, obviously capping an undefeated season.
Speaker 1: And it was one of my first Utah football teams
Speaker 1: I covered as a full time media member.
Speaker 2: So I have a soft spot in my heart for
Speaker 2: your team, as you know.
Speaker 1: And Chris Camaraddi, our friend from The Athletic, wrote a
Speaker 1: really powerful piece on one of your ex teammates, Greg Newman,
Speaker 1: who sadly passed a few years back after a battle
Speaker 1: with CTE. I just wondered what your memories are of
Speaker 1: Greg and what your perspective is. We had Chris on
Speaker 1: the show last week and he kind of talked about it,
Speaker 1: so before I said, you lose just your thoughts on
Speaker 1: just that entire process and journey watching your ex teammates
Speaker 1: struggle the way he did.
Speaker 11: Yeah, I appreciate you bringing that up and shedding light
Speaker 11: on Greg Newman and just knowing that. My biggest takeaway
Speaker 11: is it could be any of us, right that's suffering,
Speaker 11: and we don't know.
Speaker 3: But Greg was great, just a highly competitive human being.
Speaker 11: And you know, I was doing a story with his
Speaker 11: mom and sister and I found out even more things
Speaker 11: that I didn't even know about him, right, and and
Speaker 11: and so it just brought me back to just his
Speaker 11: energy and what he was willing to do for our
Speaker 11: football team.
Speaker 7: Right.
Speaker 11: He was a defensive end linebacker in high school, but
Speaker 11: it was a defensive end for us, and was.
Speaker 3: Playing three techniques. He rotated down And.
Speaker 11: I don't know, folks, that that is not an easy
Speaker 11: thing to do, right, to be a two hundred and
Speaker 11: sixty pound and essentially being double team by multiple three
Speaker 11: hundred plus pound guys every single play and him winning.
Speaker 11: He was just an extreme, extreme motor and I just
Speaker 11: knew that he was a competitive guy. He loved winning
Speaker 11: and he was he was a leader on our defense
Speaker 11: and loved playing with him because it's exactly what I
Speaker 11: said about coach Witt and leaders, right, they set the
Speaker 11: bar and demand everybody follow it.
Speaker 3: Greg Newman was that type of guy. He was a
Speaker 3: very determined guy.
Speaker 11: And even after football, right, he he went to he
Speaker 11: was very good at numbers and financials, right, so he
Speaker 11: went to Wall Street. He was doing very well on
Speaker 11: Wall Street until COVID hit and you know, he couldn't
Speaker 11: be in a competitive environment and things just got worse
Speaker 11: right after that. And so but he was just a
Speaker 11: very dedicated person to the team. Is a big reason
Speaker 11: why we went undefeated in eight or O nine, And
Speaker 11: I just I loved him as a teammate and I appreciate,
Speaker 11: you know, everybody shedding light on that situation because it's
Speaker 11: not something that we should pass over. And from talking
Speaker 11: with his parents, it's like it could be anybody, right,
Speaker 11: there's uh, there's people who's snowboarding and you're going down
Speaker 11: a half pipe and and you have head injury and
Speaker 11: it's in there. Everything should seem fine, but there's one
Speaker 11: point where it can. It can really mess with you.
Speaker 11: And so, uh, Greg just had a he had a
Speaker 11: tough goal of it, you know, you know, finding himself
Speaker 11: after football, and you know, he was just a great
Speaker 11: human being. He loved being around people, love giving back
Speaker 11: and helping out where he could. But yeah, he was
Speaker 11: a big, big part of our undefeated year in two
Speaker 11: thousand and eight.
Speaker 1: It s li thanks for the time, my friend, appreciate it.
Speaker 1: On Monday, have a great week and we'll get you.
Speaker 2: Back on soon. Okay, you got it.
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Speaker 1: from Pick six previews on a Monday afternoon, Bret Happy Monday, man,
Speaker 1: how are we doing.
Speaker 13: Hey, thanks for having me on. You know, at that
Speaker 13: time of year, it's preview magazine season, it's everybody's undefeated,
Speaker 13: everybody's optimistic. So excited to break it down for you
Speaker 13: here talking Utah in the Big Twelve.
Speaker 1: Yes, sir, So let's let's get right into it. We're
Speaker 1: about a mile away from RISKL Stadium, We're about nineteen
Speaker 1: days away from the beginning of the season for the Utes.
Speaker 1: You like Utah a little bit more than the AP poll.
Speaker 1: So the AP pole comes out today. Utah among the
Speaker 1: others receiving votes in the Pick six preview magazine you
Speaker 1: have us, The Utes rank number twenty two. So what's
Speaker 1: you're reasoning for ranking Utah in your top twenty five?
Speaker 1: And were you surprised to see them unranked in today's
Speaker 1: a people, Yeah, I was shocked.
Speaker 13: I guess I shouldn't be shocked anymore with what comes
Speaker 13: out in the preseason. But there were five teams that
Speaker 13: I disagreed with that should be ranked that the AP
Speaker 13: did not rank, and that was USC, Baylor, TCU, and
Speaker 13: Utah and Auburn, but the three Big twelve teams. But
Speaker 13: with Utah, yeah, I mean what you have here is
Speaker 13: one of the best offensive lines in the country, the
Speaker 13: entire two deep return from last year, which is extremely rare.
Speaker 13: The defense, you have to trust what Morgan Scaley does
Speaker 13: every year, one of the best coordinators in the game,
Speaker 13: a couple of All American candidates and all conference guys
Speaker 13: on that side. And then the big The big deal
Speaker 13: with Utah this year is their revamped offense. And of
Speaker 13: course in twenty three it was a ton of injuries
Speaker 13: and twenty four the quarterback had a ton of injuries.
Speaker 13: But now everything you know. They're restarting with a new scheme,
Speaker 13: bringing Jason Becko from New Mexico. It's really a dynamic,
Speaker 13: run heavy offense and he got an electric guy at
Speaker 13: quarterback with Devin Dan Pearce. So a lot to like
Speaker 13: from Utah, And yeah, they're certainly deserving of a preseason rank.
Speaker 13: I think sometimes the voters just looked too closely at
Speaker 13: last year's record and take it at face value. You
Speaker 13: got to consider everything that went into last year, So
Speaker 13: I like you tell the bounce back into the top
Speaker 13: twenty five and contend for a Big twelve title.
Speaker 1: I want to follow up about Devin About Devin Dampier,
Speaker 1: who is bringing a lot of hope to a market
Speaker 1: that's just frustrations with a quarterback position over the past
Speaker 1: couple of years. You know, you just ultimately always felt
Speaker 1: bad for Cameron Rising. You just couldn't stay healthy after
Speaker 1: a couple of dynamic years they led you Todd to
Speaker 1: win a couple of Pack twelve championships. What should our
Speaker 1: listeners know about Devin based off of the research that
Speaker 1: you've done, and do you think he'll be able to
Speaker 1: seamlessly transition into higher competition in the Big twelve juxtapposed
Speaker 1: to the Mountain West.
Speaker 13: Yeah, with Devin damp here, you're getting a dual threat.
Speaker 13: And I know that term has used a lot, but
Speaker 13: he really encompasses the term. I mean he had a
Speaker 13: thousand rushing yards last year, thirty one total touchdowns, and
Speaker 13: you know a lot of those yards rats are contact too.
Speaker 13: You get a finger on him, you can still you know,
Speaker 13: escape And in run he had five hundred and twenty
Speaker 13: yards after contact rushing. So a true dual threat. Really
Speaker 13: elusive in the pocket too. Stat I put it in
Speaker 13: the book here this year was he was number one
Speaker 13: in the country in evading sacks in the pocket. He
Speaker 13: was pressured one hundred times, only took four sacks. So
Speaker 13: four out of one hundred times he was pressured, was
Speaker 13: he actually corralled for a sack? You know, he's got
Speaker 13: escapability from the pocket and go pick up a first
Speaker 13: down with the legs and the pocket breaks down. But
Speaker 13: here's the catches.
Speaker 6: I don't think the.
Speaker 13: Pocket will be breaking down too much with this offensive
Speaker 13: line in front of him. So to your other part
Speaker 13: of the question, you know, stepping up from the Mountain
Speaker 13: West to the Big twelve, certainly that'll be an adjustment.
Speaker 13: The game will be faster, but also he benefits from
Speaker 13: having a better line in front of him. This is
Speaker 13: a real Big twelve, my number one Big twelve offensive line,
Speaker 13: a top ten national line. So while you know that
Speaker 13: step up in competition is a negative, he gets a
Speaker 13: stronger offensive line and probably some better players around him
Speaker 13: here at Utah, So I think it's going to be
Speaker 13: a breakthrough season. He earned the All train for at
Speaker 13: spot in my book. You know, it's funny have an
Speaker 13: All American team and all Big twelve team, but in
Speaker 13: the magazine with all these transfers, I put an all
Speaker 13: transfer team in there, and he certainly deserves the Big
Speaker 13: twelve spot.
Speaker 1: There, just real quick, a little bit of a non sequitor,
Speaker 1: but based off of what you just said, how has
Speaker 1: the changing landscape of college football affected your ability and
Speaker 1: your one of my favorites? You know, we used pick
Speaker 1: six on the show all the time. Like, for instance,
Speaker 1: Bronco Menadla has eighty new players in logan and most
Speaker 1: programs at least have fifty to sixty and some more
Speaker 1: than that.
Speaker 2: How has that changed the way that you've had.
Speaker 1: To adjust to do your job, to try to analyze
Speaker 1: groups of players that are entirely brand new just from
Speaker 1: a year ago.
Speaker 13: It's complicated the preview magazine process tenfold. I mean I
Speaker 13: launched this back in twenty twelve, and if you go
Speaker 13: back in time to twenty twelve, that was still the
Speaker 13: BCS era. We had something called the Big East and
Speaker 13: the Pac ten and just a simpler time. But yeah, now,
Speaker 13: you know, back then you would look at just returning starters,
Speaker 13: recruiting and who left early for the pros, if anybody
Speaker 13: that was it, that was the formula. Now it's so
Speaker 13: much more complex. But I do go player by player,
Speaker 13: position by position and really just put context in the
Speaker 13: book about you know which transfers are important, which ones
Speaker 13: had success at the last level, because really every situation
Speaker 13: is different. But I think that's it's it makes it
Speaker 13: more complex from my angle, but I think to the
Speaker 13: reader it brings a lot more value because you can
Speaker 13: pick up the Pick six previous magazine and learn right
Speaker 13: away about who's coming in, who's leaving why, and put
Speaker 13: it within the context of the team. And you know
Speaker 13: you're not going to find abbreviations or acronyms or jargon.
Speaker 13: I mean, it's it's pretty straightforward and I tell you
Speaker 13: what's going on in each program, all right.
Speaker 1: So generally speaking, it's interesting to see your rankings as
Speaker 1: far as Big twelve teams go. And then you know
Speaker 1: the unseious endeavor of the Coaches poll last week. The
Speaker 1: ap pol involves people that do seem to pay attention.
Speaker 1: Where does Utah rank? You can throw a tier out there,
Speaker 1: who do you like in the Big twelve? You know
Speaker 1: how many teams you think can legitimately win this conference.
Speaker 1: They didn't even let us do a Big twelve preseason
Speaker 1: media poll this year because we're all so wrong about
Speaker 1: who's going to look like a year ago. But I
Speaker 1: guess I'll ask you, what's your tier one level of
Speaker 1: Big twelve teams this year and where does Utah fit in.
Speaker 13: Yeah, well, I think it's the most wide open conference
Speaker 13: I've ever covered here. It's my fourteenth year doing Pick
Speaker 13: six previews and do all four Power four conferences, and
Speaker 13: I think this is the most wide open yet. And
Speaker 13: I say that because, you know, talk to head coaches,
Speaker 13: talk to coordinators about some of their opponents coming up,
Speaker 13: and try and get them to talk about who the
Speaker 13: favorites are. They'll give you ten different teams. You know,
Speaker 13: they'll say, there isn't really a favorite here, which is
Speaker 13: a cluster of top twenty five and top forty caliber teams.
Speaker 13: I tend to agree. I see a lot of top
Speaker 13: twenty five teams in here, and you know, I narrowed
Speaker 13: it down to early seven, if you can call it,
Speaker 13: narrow it down seven teams I think can win it.
Speaker 13: I went with Arizona State. I went with the defending champs.
Speaker 13: I don't think last year was a fluke when you
Speaker 13: look back at it with my advanced stats in the book,
Speaker 13: they were legit. They bring everybody back except Camps Kataboo,
Speaker 13: who's a big one. At running back, but pretty much
Speaker 13: the entire roster returns. I like them to go repeat
Speaker 13: and I have them playing Texas Tech in Dallas and
Speaker 13: Texas Texas situation where eight win team last year, but
Speaker 13: they go out. They rally all this oil money from
Speaker 13: their boosters and they signed twelve blue chips from the portal.
Speaker 13: That's more than the rest of the conference signed combined.
Speaker 13: So huge talent influx in the in the Lubbock. So
Speaker 13: I'm going for Arizona State vers Texas Tech. Strong considerations
Speaker 13: from Baylor in Utah and TCU, and then I would
Speaker 13: drop it down a tier to the Kansas State, Iowa
Speaker 13: State and even BYU down there. But so Arizona State
Speaker 13: Texas Tech to play, and then I can really argue
Speaker 13: hard for Baylor, Utah and TCU.
Speaker 1: I know you already referenced the offensive line, but Spencer
Speaker 1: Fono another honor today named first team ESPN All American.
Speaker 1: You know when you look at you know Dane Brugler,
Speaker 1: for instance, released his summertime offensive line raykingss. Spencer is
Speaker 1: the number two tackle in Caleb Lomu as the number
Speaker 1: five tackle.
Speaker 2: You for It's earlier, Brad, You think Utah.
Speaker 1: Has the top ten line in all the college football
Speaker 1: coach with himself, which is uncoach with like pretty effusive
Speaker 1: with his praise, saying he thinks this is the best
Speaker 1: offensive line that he has had at Utah in twenty
Speaker 1: one years.
Speaker 2: What sort of benefit is that for Devin?
Speaker 1: I know that's an obvious question, but Devin put up
Speaker 1: some gaudy numbers last year in New Mexico without an
Speaker 1: offensive line that's even in the same stratosphere as this.
Speaker 1: So how that official is that dynamic for Utah's offense
Speaker 1: this year? And dig in a little bit deeper on
Speaker 1: the O line, how good you think they are?
Speaker 13: Yeah, well, that's really the key strength of this offense.
Speaker 13: I mean it probably it goes without saying, but that
Speaker 13: is one of the key parts of why I have
Speaker 13: them ranked in the top twenty five. Is that offensive line.
Speaker 13: Because you want to generate the consistent run push, you know,
Speaker 13: because you lose your running back, you lose a lot
Speaker 13: of receivers, but you want to have that anchor, that
Speaker 13: rocket offensive line. I think they have that. I agree
Speaker 13: with you. At Spencer Fano here in the number one
Speaker 13: spot on my first team All American team. Again, you know,
Speaker 13: just like ESPN. Like you said, I've got him on there.
Speaker 13: But yeah, look at Utah. You can start to throw
Speaker 13: out some of those stats from last year, and you
Speaker 13: know that gets brought up about how poor they were offensively,
Speaker 13: and I think you just got to look at it
Speaker 13: last year with the Green of Salt. I mean, they
Speaker 13: were down to their fifth quarterback at times. It was
Speaker 13: really unlucky there with injuries in twenty four and especially
Speaker 13: twenty twenty three. So you got to look at individual
Speaker 13: talent and you got to take some of these coach
Speaker 13: clips for what they're saying. I mean, you're right about
Speaker 13: coach Witt. He's very close to the vest with some
Speaker 13: comments on position groups. So for him to throw that
Speaker 13: praise out there, that catches my eye, and I think
Speaker 13: they're going to live.
Speaker 7: Up to that.
Speaker 13: So that's a great place to start when you're building
Speaker 13: a top twenty five or a Big twelve contending team.
Speaker 13: Is the offensive line. It's going to make everybody else
Speaker 13: look better, and I think that's going to be, you know,
Speaker 13: one of the strongest in the country.
Speaker 1: You TA has had seventeen running backs go over one
Speaker 1: thousand yards. Way Sean Parker is looking to be the
Speaker 1: next one to do that reference in the local media
Speaker 1: last week he wants to touch fifteen hundred yards. Acqui
Speaker 1: Rogers is also in the mix for RB one Wyshaan
Speaker 1: with a really solid the freshman campaign of wall Zoo
Speaker 1: over five yards of carry. What are you expecting? And
Speaker 1: I don't know how they're going to split the reps.
Speaker 1: And it's great to have more than one back in
Speaker 1: your room, but let's just assume that way Shawn's able
Speaker 1: to grab that starting job. What sort of back is he?
Speaker 1: What should our listeners know about him?
Speaker 13: Yeah, well, it's good to have two of them. And
Speaker 13: I saw him from fall camp. They were talking about
Speaker 13: how the coaches were saying that they're one A and
Speaker 13: one B right now, so it looks like they're gonna
Speaker 13: split even if it's a sixty forty split of carries.
Speaker 13: Get them two guys back there. Of course, Rogers is
Speaker 13: familiar with the new Mexico offense coming with Jason back
Speaker 13: end with Dan Peere. He knows the scheme. But yeah,
Speaker 13: I think you have your starter with way Shaun Parker.
Speaker 13: He was rated the number four transfer running back in
Speaker 13: the entire country this cycle, so put up a ton
Speaker 13: of yards at a breakout season at Washington State. They know,
Speaker 13: I know they weren't the Pac twelve last year, but
Speaker 13: at the time it was still considered a power forward
Speaker 13: type team, so that was impressive to break through as
Speaker 13: a starter right away. But yeah, I think you have
Speaker 13: a proven commodity with him and then Rogers the guy
Speaker 13: that knows the scheme, albeit stepping up to the Big
Speaker 13: twelve level. But that's a good one two punch, and
Speaker 13: you know, I think you got to like what you
Speaker 13: have there.
Speaker 1: All right, let me let me dig in on on
Speaker 1: Byu for a minute. You know, of course, they had
Speaker 1: pretty surprising season a year ago, jumps opposed expectations. They
Speaker 1: go eleven wins, they get a good win in the
Speaker 1: Alimable over Colorado. Obviously, the Jake Retz laugh stuff is
Speaker 1: the main headline that people have been focused on around here.
Speaker 1: They have not named the starter, and you know, ultimately,
Speaker 1: whether it's the coaches puller, the ap pol, you know,
Speaker 1: the the ambiguity quarterback hasn't necessarily changed people's optimism about
Speaker 1: who they could be because like Utah, they are a
Speaker 1: program now that really is defense first.
Speaker 2: Klanie cut his teeth under Kyle j.
Speaker 1: Hill cut his teeth under Kyle, so they got a
Speaker 1: ton back on defense. We don't know who the quarterback
Speaker 1: is going to be, But what are your expectations for
Speaker 1: BYU this year?
Speaker 13: Brett Well, I had a lot of questions with BYU
Speaker 13: coming into the Reds last situation, even before that broke.
Speaker 13: I mean, you're like, and at the offensive line, losing
Speaker 13: three starters, and these are long time guys, longtime starters, contributors,
Speaker 13: all big twelve guys. So three offensive linemen departed, pretty
Speaker 13: much the whole defensive line left. Both corners were gone.
Speaker 13: So I already had a couple questions at BYU. Now
Speaker 13: that's not to say that twenty twenty four wasn't a
Speaker 13: fluke or anything. I mean they were legit last year.
Speaker 13: My game Greater formula actually had them first in the conference.
Speaker 13: At the end of the year. They were really strong.
Speaker 13: But projecting forward to twenty twenty five, a lot of questions.
Speaker 13: It got worse after spring. Of course, the quarterback situation
Speaker 13: you touched on looks like you're going to be starting
Speaker 13: at BYU a true freshman, eighteen year old bar Backmeyer
Speaker 13: who wasn't even there for winter or spring and was
Speaker 13: ever at Stanford, so that's a huge question. And then
Speaker 13: also two receivers that could have come back left or
Speaker 13: lost eligibility with Lassiter who applied to the NCAA did
Speaker 13: not get renewed. And then of course Keilan Marion, an
Speaker 13: All conference receiver kick return specialist, departs from Miami. So
Speaker 13: not only do you not knock out your starting quarterback,
Speaker 13: lose two legit receivers from the projection. So that bumped
Speaker 13: them almost out of the top forty for me down
Speaker 13: at thirty eight nationally.
Speaker 1: Interested to follow up as to why you believe the
Speaker 1: job is Bear Bachmeyers. And you know, Aaron Roderick, offensive
Speaker 1: coordinator for BYUS in front of the show, and he's
Speaker 1: saying a lot of nice things about bear Bachmeyer. The
Speaker 1: McKay Hillstead kid has eight starts under his bell the
Speaker 1: Utah State. So you know, is that the best guess
Speaker 1: you have that it's going to be Bear under center.
Speaker 2: Give me your thoughts on that.
Speaker 13: Yeah, that is a guest here. Of course I'm not
Speaker 13: there on the ground in Fall Camp. I'm out here
Speaker 13: based in Pennsylvania. But when I try and project forward
Speaker 13: and look at this upcoming roster, I was looking at it.
Speaker 13: You had Hillstet from Utah State. You got poor Gay
Speaker 13: from Western Michigan. Like you said, not that experience as
Speaker 13: a starter either one of them. Maybe a handful of starts.
Speaker 13: But bear Bachmeyer, guy, I know at Stanford in springball
Speaker 13: was repping with the ones, and I know that Byu
Speaker 13: is stronger right now than Stanford is. But I think
Speaker 13: you had a four star process back They're a bigger
Speaker 13: blue chip billing than these two guys that were there.
Speaker 13: So yeah, that's my guest right now. It might not
Speaker 13: be a week one starter. Maybe it'll take a few
Speaker 13: weeks in the September, but in terms of upside, I
Speaker 13: think you got to like what you had with Backmeyer.
Speaker 1: What do you know about UCLA Brett It's Utah's opening
Speaker 1: opponent at the Rose Bowl. It's at nine o'clock Mountain
Speaker 1: time kick. A lot of people around here not thrilled
Speaker 1: about that, but that is the opening game for the
Speaker 1: Utes in their non con.
Speaker 2: What do you know about the Bruins this year?
Speaker 13: Yeah, well, coaching chains last year, of course, they made
Speaker 13: the switch over to the Big ten and took some
Speaker 13: lumps early in the year, started out one and six
Speaker 13: out of the Gate. They did notch a couple of
Speaker 13: big wins in the back half of the year. They
Speaker 13: beat Rutgers, who was a strong team at the time,
Speaker 13: beat Nebraska, beat Iowa, so they got close to bull
Speaker 13: eligibility there last year. But they really were rated by
Speaker 13: the transfer portal this year. I don't know if that's
Speaker 13: a lack of booster support or funding or whatever, but
Speaker 13: a lot of starters departed from UCLA, and of course
Speaker 13: they'll cover it up with the big headliner at quarterback.
Speaker 13: They went out and got Nico after the Tennessee Nico
Speaker 13: drama in April, as the former five star quarterback, one
Speaker 13: of the biggest NIL deals in history when he originally
Speaker 13: signed with Tennessee. So yes, they got the headliner, but
Speaker 13: a lot of other guys, starters in the offensive line,
Speaker 13: the receiver room, were proached by other power forward programs.
Speaker 13: So I see a team that's going to be stuck
Speaker 13: towards the bottom of the Big ten. I see that
Speaker 13: line opened up around a touchdown. I believe in Utah's favor.
Speaker 13: I would like that if that holds, because I just
Speaker 13: don't see UCLA really contending.
Speaker 7: For much this year.
Speaker 1: Utah's opening Big twelve game is Texas Tech, and you
Speaker 1: referenced this when I asked you about your tier one
Speaker 1: in the Big twelve. How real will this nil effect
Speaker 1: be when it comes to not just the interim, but
Speaker 1: do you feel like they're building something that Big twelve
Speaker 1: teams need to look around and be a little bit
Speaker 1: concerned about.
Speaker 2: I mean the money that's being thrown around down there.
Speaker 1: I asked coach went about it during Big twelve media days,
Speaker 1: and like every other coach, he said, well, it would
Speaker 1: be nice to be, you know, to have that type
Speaker 1: of advantage, but how real will that investment manifest itself
Speaker 1: both this year and then years to come as far
Speaker 1: as what they're doing down in Texas Tech?
Speaker 13: Yeah, well it's two different parts here. I think for
Speaker 13: twenty twenty five, that is a question, and similar to
Speaker 13: echo a coach, Witz said. When I'm talking to other
Speaker 13: Big twelve head coaches and coordinators, they bring up the
Speaker 13: Texas Tech situation and they're blown away by the raw
Speaker 13: talent coming in. But the big question that they all
Speaker 13: had was how quickly can it gel? You know, there's
Speaker 13: a lot of new personalities coming in. They all want
Speaker 13: their starts, their nil money. It's a pretty big experiment,
Speaker 13: so I can't wait to keep an eye on that
Speaker 13: this year. I think it's fascinating a program that really
Speaker 13: hasn't had much success over the long haul of college football,
Speaker 13: so you know, a little one year window to really
Speaker 13: break through. But in terms of staying power going forward,
Speaker 13: I think they're going to remain a player. When you
Speaker 13: take Oklahoma and Texas out of the traditional Big twelve
Speaker 13: foot print, of course they were the two giants. Now
Speaker 13: they're in the SEC you throw them out. It's actually
Speaker 13: Texas Tech and TCU are the top five year recruiters,
Speaker 13: Utah third, So that's really your top three of consistent recruiters.
Speaker 13: They were already up there. Now you're going to layer
Speaker 13: in all this big oil money and you know they're
Speaker 13: going to just continue to acquire these massive classes. I
Speaker 13: saw they just signed a five star a couple of
Speaker 13: days ago in the twenty twenty six class. So it's
Speaker 13: continuing and this might be a you know, a test
Speaker 13: of proof of concept this year, but I think it's
Speaker 13: going to stay a while.
Speaker 1: In Texas Tech, Utah gets Colorado here in saut Lake
Speaker 1: Rise Ecles of course, no Shador, no Travis Hunter. They're
Speaker 1: both in the NFL. What are you expecting from Dion's
Speaker 1: group this year? Another big twelve team Utah has here
Speaker 1: in Salt Lake.
Speaker 13: Well, they lose two of their biggest stars of all time,
Speaker 13: and obviously with Shader Sanders the quarterback going pro, their
Speaker 13: Heisman winner Travis Hunter going pro. But I think they
Speaker 13: still remained strong in some spots. I like their defensive line.
Speaker 13: Their pass rush was really strong last year. That's going
Speaker 13: to remain stout.
Speaker 7: The receiver group.
Speaker 13: I know they lost pretty much their whole four sum
Speaker 13: of starters, but brought in a couple of nice pieces
Speaker 13: and now the recruiting at a better level than they used to,
Speaker 13: so they still have firepower at certain positions. It's going
Speaker 13: to come down to a quarterback, whether Caden Salter, the
Speaker 13: former Liberty quarterback, if he can continue to have success
Speaker 13: at the college level here at Colorado new offense, or
Speaker 13: if they're going to turn it over to a five
Speaker 13: star freshman Julian Lewis. So that's the question at quarterback.
Speaker 13: There was the off season drama whether coach Sanders would return,
Speaker 13: and thankfully he's in good health.
Speaker 3: And we'll be back.
Speaker 13: So that's great. But I don't see them contending for
Speaker 13: the conference. I see them down there. I have them
Speaker 13: ninth in the Big Twelve. Still a solid team. They'll
Speaker 13: be tested, but I think you Tall will take care
Speaker 13: of business there.
Speaker 1: Last I want to ask you about one more Big
Speaker 1: Twelve team, brother, then I'll set you loose.
Speaker 2: And now that that's Baylor.
Speaker 1: You know Dave Randa, I felt like he was coaching
Speaker 1: for his job last year, and he good coach. I mean,
Speaker 1: we had some local ties and you've had him on
Speaker 1: the show before.
Speaker 2: It's a road game for Utah this year near the
Speaker 2: end of the year.
Speaker 1: So I feel like Baylor is one of these schools
Speaker 1: in the Big Twelve that a lot of people really
Speaker 1: like and a lot of people are kind of like.
Speaker 1: I guess we'll kind of wait and see. What's the
Speaker 1: ret siance prediction for the Baylor Bears this year?
Speaker 13: Yeah, Well, Baylor, they figured it out a couple games
Speaker 13: in last year. They started out with a different quarterback.
Speaker 13: He was a Toledo or a mac transfer at the
Speaker 13: Kwan Finn it wasn't clicking. They make a quarterback change
Speaker 13: about six games in the Sawyer Robertson and at all flips.
Speaker 13: They end up winning six straight games. They rallied to
Speaker 13: a nice bowl, almost beat LSU in that bowl game,
Speaker 13: but really really searched towards the end of the year.
Speaker 13: But the catch is that they get everybody back. I mean,
Speaker 13: this is one of the most veteran teams in America,
Speaker 13: top twenty in returning production on both sides of the ball,
Speaker 13: which is really rare nowadays with the transfer portal all
Speaker 13: that movement. So I see a really solid team here.
Speaker 13: I mean I have them seventeenth in the country. The
Speaker 13: offense is going to remain strong. Question is defense, But
Speaker 13: you guys know David Randa, He's a defensive genius. So
Speaker 13: I think with a more veteran team this year on
Speaker 13: that side of the ball, he'll make it work. So
Speaker 13: I like Baylor. I almost picked him to win the conference.
Speaker 13: I've got them seventeenth nationally and I have them over
Speaker 13: seven and a half. This is actually my best bet
Speaker 13: of the year if you're looking at that.
Speaker 7: So I like them.
Speaker 6: It's gonna be a tough.
Speaker 7: Test for you to Brett.
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Speaker 2: Thank you, my friend, always good stuff. We'll get you
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Speaker 13: Okay, oh thanks anytime.
Speaker 7: Appreciate it all right.
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