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<v Speaker 1>Hi, I'm andre Atto. I'm from Henderson, Nebada, and I

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<v Speaker 1>play at Revere Golf Club and this is Golf Smarter.

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<v Speaker 2>Golf Smarter number one twenty nine.

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<v Speaker 1>I want to continue your work. We're different people but

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of commonality, but we both like to talk

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<v Speaker 1>about golf. And the people I have talked to for

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<v Speaker 1>episodes that I've recorded, a lot of it is about

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<v Speaker 1>different approaches to how to swing the club. But what's

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<v Speaker 1>interesting to me is how to improve your game. But

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<v Speaker 1>what's also interesting to me is the stories of the

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<v Speaker 1>people behind what they did and how they came to

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<v Speaker 1>doing that, and that is really fascinating to me. And

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<v Speaker 1>I love the different viewpoints people bring to it. It's

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<v Speaker 1>like anything. If it's movies, if it's baseball, if it's politics,

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<v Speaker 1>everybody's got their unique take on it. And so the

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<v Speaker 1>point isn't the technical stuff, because I'm not qualified to

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<v Speaker 1>be a technical golf person. But I'm so frustrated by

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<v Speaker 1>the world of you got to be in the right position,

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<v Speaker 1>you got to do this, you got to do that,

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<v Speaker 1>where you get caught up in trying to be perfect

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<v Speaker 1>and trying to consciously do things, and so that's a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of what the show is going to be about

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<v Speaker 1>is people talking about practical advice about here's a couple

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<v Speaker 1>drills that you don't need to take lessons.

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<v Speaker 2>So long, Fred, Hello, josh Ah, there's a chain to come.

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<v Speaker 1>This is Golf Smarter, sharing stories, tips and insights from

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<v Speaker 1>great golf minds to help you lower your score and

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<v Speaker 1>raise your golf IQ. Here's your host, Fred Green.

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome back to the Golf Smarter podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>Josh, Hey, Fred, thanks for having me.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, you know it's a little bit more than that being.

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<v Speaker 1>Here it is, but thank you for having me on regardless.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, well you know you reached out to me recently

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<v Speaker 2>saying I don't know if you remember me. I was

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<v Speaker 2>on your show in twenty ten after I wrote a

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<v Speaker 2>book called Straight down the Middle, and I'm like, of

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<v Speaker 2>course I remember you. That was a fun that was

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<v Speaker 2>a fun book and really entertaining for me, a really

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<v Speaker 2>entertaining interview.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh well, no, Ill, I recall having a very good

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<v Speaker 1>time when we talked last time.

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<v Speaker 2>We really did. We really did. So you I need

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<v Speaker 2>to talk to the audience for a minute if you

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<v Speaker 2>don't mind, Josh, I mean step The reason Josh is

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<v Speaker 2>here today is we're making a change here in Golf Smarter.

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<v Speaker 2>I want to thank all the Golf Smarter community, the

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<v Speaker 2>ambassadors and the and golf smarters. Josh, don't know if

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<v Speaker 2>you ever heard that term, but we call our golf

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<v Speaker 2>itself Golf's martyrs. I'm a golf martyr, yeah right, and

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<v Speaker 2>which kind of translated to golf Smarter at some point,

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<v Speaker 2>but it went turned into golf Smarters. I want to

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<v Speaker 2>thank everybody for all their support over the years, and

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<v Speaker 2>also their support for or this time that I've taken off.

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<v Speaker 2>I've been off since early December. We've been playing the

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<v Speaker 2>old episodes, and in that time, I was trying to

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<v Speaker 2>figure out what's next for me because I turned seventy

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<v Speaker 2>last August and I knew that I was going to

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<v Speaker 2>be retiring at seventy, but I didn't know what to

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<v Speaker 2>do about the podcast. I was really torn, do I

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<v Speaker 2>walk away from it? Am I done? You know? Ever

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<v Speaker 2>since the episode four hundred, I've been going, yeah, I

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<v Speaker 2>think I'm getting close to me And here we are

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<v Speaker 2>at episode one twenty nine. An episode one thousand with

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<v Speaker 2>Jim Nantz was probably the peak of my podcast experience,

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<v Speaker 2>and I've been just trying to figure out what's next,

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<v Speaker 2>what's next? And then Josh came to me and said, hey,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm thinking of starting a golf podcast. Maybe I can

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<v Speaker 2>come on your show and promote it. And I'm like, oh, man,

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<v Speaker 2>you just missed me because I'm not doing the interviews anymore.

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<v Speaker 2>Last interview I did was in actually I did it

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<v Speaker 2>in October, we published it in December, and I haven't

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<v Speaker 2>done one since. And it seems like it's been like

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<v Speaker 2>six months as I've done an interview. And I suggested

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<v Speaker 2>to Josh, you know, if you're going to start a

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<v Speaker 2>golf podcast now, it's very different than when I started

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<v Speaker 2>it in twenty two thousand and five, because when I started,

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<v Speaker 2>there was like two other golf podcasts and those quickly disappeared.

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<v Speaker 2>And so here we are with Golf Smarter is the

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<v Speaker 2>longest running golf podcast out there, and we've built this

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<v Speaker 2>wonderful global audience of people who love Tony Manzoni as

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<v Speaker 2>much as I do, who keep listening to the old episodes,

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<v Speaker 2>which I'm truly grateful for. And I said, so, if

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<v Speaker 2>you're going to start a golf podcast, it's going to

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<v Speaker 2>be at least five years for you can either generate

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<v Speaker 2>any revenue or build enough of an audience to generate

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<v Speaker 2>some revenue. So maybe you'd like to take over Golf Smarter.

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<v Speaker 2>And so I started reading Josh's book again and I'm like, wait,

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<v Speaker 2>this is Golf Smarter, and I need to ask you, Josh,

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<v Speaker 2>what was your the journey that you wrote about in

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<v Speaker 2>the book Straight Down the Middle, which was your second

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<v Speaker 2>of three books. Correct, yes, but you're so far your

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<v Speaker 2>only golf book.

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<v Speaker 1>My only golf book, yes, the only ones. I'd like

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<v Speaker 1>to say, the only time I'll ever be paid to

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<v Speaker 1>play golf in well, hopefully not.

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<v Speaker 2>But I started reading the book again, I'm like, my goodness,

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<v Speaker 2>this is like my voice. This is so interesting to

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<v Speaker 2>me that he's on a journey that I feel like

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<v Speaker 2>I've been on for a long time, on different ways

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<v Speaker 2>of approaching golf instruction, a lot of mental game stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>And I said, you know, maybe you should just take

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<v Speaker 2>over the show, and he was kind of your eyes

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<v Speaker 2>when I when I suggest yes, you kind of bugged

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<v Speaker 2>out of your head. And we've had multiple conversations since then.

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<v Speaker 2>And this episode here is to introduce the new host

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<v Speaker 2>of Golf Smarter, Josh Carp.

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<v Speaker 1>First of all, I can only hope that I will

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<v Speaker 1>be at this as successfully and as long as as you.

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<v Speaker 2>Were, and you being here as long as that.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, well, you know, a thousand episodes is a

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<v Speaker 1>fairly daunting, daunting hill to climb. But but no, thank

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<v Speaker 1>you so much for this opportunity. You know, I've always

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<v Speaker 1>loved the show, and like I said, I had the

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<v Speaker 1>best time, you know, when I was on fifteen years

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<v Speaker 1>ago now, which is hard April.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and then he has played as a Mulligan episode

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<v Speaker 2>as number one hundred and thirty three.

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<v Speaker 1>So that's and your memory is killing me with the.

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<v Speaker 2>Kidding. I get lost in conversations. I have a spreadsheet

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<v Speaker 2>with everything.

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<v Speaker 1>But no, I mean, I'm really honored that you would

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<v Speaker 1>even think of me to do this, and I'm really

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<v Speaker 1>excited to have the opportunity to carry on you know,

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<v Speaker 1>your your work and such a great brand, and you

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<v Speaker 1>know with just you know, I'm this, as we both know,

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<v Speaker 1>came out of the blue kind of right. It was

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<v Speaker 1>just just an email led to this, and and I'm

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<v Speaker 1>really excited and uh and and like I said, it

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<v Speaker 1>is carrying on a really a really great brand and

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<v Speaker 1>a really great show. And I just hope I can

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<v Speaker 1>do as good a job as you've done with it

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<v Speaker 1>over all this time.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, that's why I feel so confident in the in

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<v Speaker 2>this move, because I've listened to a couple of your

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<v Speaker 2>other interviews and we got to establish what you do.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, like I approach this show as a recording

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<v Speaker 2>engineer who had the right equipment, with a lot of questions,

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<v Speaker 2>and it just you know. And then sometimes even when

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<v Speaker 2>I told people I'm a golf journalist, I would do

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<v Speaker 2>the air quotes on journalists and cringe when I said

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<v Speaker 2>it because I never really felt like I was a journalist.

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<v Speaker 2>I was just a guy doing a podcast, which I

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<v Speaker 2>never anticipated the podcasting would be ubiquitous to like the planet.

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<v Speaker 1>People are like, oh yeah, good lord, Yes, yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>It's everywhere. And now like when I was coming through radio,

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<v Speaker 2>it's if you had a radio show but you also

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<v Speaker 2>had a column in the newspaper, or if you wrote

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<v Speaker 2>a book, or if you were on TV. It's like, wow,

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<v Speaker 2>cross media.

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<v Speaker 1>Right right now.

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<v Speaker 2>In that cross media conversation, people add, and I host

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<v Speaker 2>a podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>Right well, and nobody's writing a column for the newspaper anymore.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, because all the you know that it's unbelievable

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<v Speaker 1>that we've witnessed this huge change in the way the

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<v Speaker 1>world operates, you know, media wise, I mean as well

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<v Speaker 1>as otherwise. But just you know, I was talking to

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<v Speaker 1>somebody the other day and I was like, either there

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<v Speaker 1>will be no newspapers in ten years or there will

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<v Speaker 1>be such a backlash that we're all going to be

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<v Speaker 1>reading the newspaper again, because it's just such a you know,

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<v Speaker 1>it was such I mean, such a staple you know,

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<v Speaker 1>in America. Wasn't that time, right, I mean that was

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<v Speaker 1>is now there are a lot more a lot more

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<v Speaker 1>podcasts than there are guys who are writing columns for

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<v Speaker 1>the Chicago Sun Times or the same.

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<v Speaker 2>You would believe the number of podcasts that are generated

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<v Speaker 2>by AI voices. Oh massive, there's like and so I

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<v Speaker 2>can testify here to everybody, Josh and I are real.

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<v Speaker 1>They would not create AI like me.

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<v Speaker 2>For sure, or me. But the fact is you're more

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<v Speaker 2>than You're not a recording engineer. You're a journalist U

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<v Speaker 2>and a writer and a producer and actually, can I

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<v Speaker 2>use the word journalism professor.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's say, instructor, a journalism instruct since I have no

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<v Speaker 1>officialstigious university. Yes, I teach. I not as much anymore,

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<v Speaker 1>but for I occasionally teach journalism at Northwestern and I've

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<v Speaker 1>taught for years. I was like teaching multiple classes there

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<v Speaker 1>every semester. Yeah, and I'm I'm a I'm an actual journalist,

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<v Speaker 1>and I think I'm you know, got to the point. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I do a lot of print work or I have

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<v Speaker 1>for you know, different magazines. I've written for Vanity Fair

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<v Speaker 1>and Esquire and uh and Playboy, and I've had a

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<v Speaker 1>pretty regular gig at a at a thing called Airmail,

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<v Speaker 1>which is which is an electronic magazine that was started

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<v Speaker 1>by Graydon Carter who used to run Vanity Fair and uh,

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<v Speaker 1>you know and that. And it's funny because I really,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, as far as golf writing, I mean, I

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<v Speaker 1>really I wrote. I wrote the book straight down the middle.

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<v Speaker 1>And before that, I used to write for Links magazine,

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<v Speaker 1>which was, by the way, a fun gig, and that

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<v Speaker 1>was I got paid to play golf for that too,

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<v Speaker 1>and that was really fun, you know, getting to go

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<v Speaker 1>write about them. But but mostly I mean I write

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<v Speaker 1>about popular culture. I write about the making of movies. Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>usually the making of really kind of screwed up movies

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<v Speaker 1>like Caligula or or the Last Movie, which was Dennis

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<v Speaker 1>Hopper's follow up to Easy Writer That Like, and he

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<v Speaker 1>then just weird little stuff. I I you know, I

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<v Speaker 1>Dinner Theater in Jupiter, Florida, and all the all the

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<v Speaker 1>crazyness that went on there. But yeah, so I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm I'm you know. And then I've written books. I

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<v Speaker 2>your second book, Straight down the Middle, which came out

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<v Speaker 2>Because there are many people in that book that have

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<v Speaker 2>who's not only featured in your book and been featured

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<v Speaker 2>many times on Golf Smarter, but he's giving me golf

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<v Speaker 2>lessons right right, taking for the first time, I'm taking

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<v Speaker 2>then after that it's going to be Golf Smarter will

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<v Speaker 2>cantinue twice a week each each beginning of the week,

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<v Speaker 2>Corrected Mistakes are we calling? Are we saying that.

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<v Speaker 1>Golf correct mistakes golf? Which comes just to clarify for

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<v Speaker 1>everybody that please it. When I was kind of working

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<v Speaker 1>and I talked, I had, you know, it was kind

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<v Speaker 1>and you know how how you know how guys like

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<v Speaker 1>you and I can get better. And obviously the one

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<v Speaker 1>person everybody looks to is is Ben Hogan, and and

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<v Speaker 1>he famously said that a golf swing is a collection

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<v Speaker 1>of correct mistakes. And I, for my game that certainly

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<v Speaker 1>was applicable. And so I kind of want to do

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<v Speaker 1>iconic figure So it's gonna be Golf Smarter's correct Mistakes

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<v Speaker 1>on Tuesdays, on Tuesdays and Fridays, right, Fridays will be

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<v Speaker 2>We'll continue with that because we're only up to like

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<v Speaker 2>halfway through what I did. And you know, again, mulligans

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<v Speaker 2>are just episodes that are more that are most relevant today,

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<v Speaker 2>which is basically golf instruction. We don't look at rules

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<v Speaker 2>or tournament events, which we rarely talked about anyway, but

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<v Speaker 2>golfers we can talk about always as we continue to do,

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<v Speaker 2>whether we're talking about Ben Hogan or our Bobby Jones

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<v Speaker 2>or Tiger Woods, which I just a moment on Tiger Woods.

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<v Speaker 2>How ironic was it that the week that Tiger had

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<v Speaker 2>this another accident in a car. And we don't have

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<v Speaker 2>to go on and on about that too many people

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<v Speaker 2>have already, But that week, as we're replaying all the

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<v Speaker 2>if Tiger called Tony for help, what would he say?

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<v Speaker 2>And it was about the golf swing, not about the

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<v Speaker 2>Battle's drunk driving quiz, because Tony Manzoni is partying time

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<v Speaker 1>Sure, yeah, that's no. The whole thing with it's really yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>remember when his whole thing happened with his wife and

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<v Speaker 1>recollection was, you know, how it was being covered, like,

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<v Speaker 1>And I was like, for any of us who envy

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<v Speaker 2>went out the window after his father passed. Yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I went nuts, yeah the way.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's odd because you know, I was talking to

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<v Speaker 1>kind of that. You're Marv Marinovich. Todd Marinovich's dad, the

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<v Speaker 1>that's a really hard I mean, I think you have

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<v Speaker 1>to be and I think Tiger is a very mentally

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<v Speaker 1>strong person, obviously, because on the golf course, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>nobody has I've you know, Nicholas maybe you know, has

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<v Speaker 1>it's it's it's not a super balanced upbringing when you

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<v Speaker 1>are under that kind of you know, just when you're

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, it's just you see it everywhere. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>you see it on the little league fields, you see it, right,

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<v Speaker 1>and you know, youth hockey. I mean, my kids all

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<v Speaker 1>it's got to it can't have been easy to grow

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<v Speaker 2>And you don't mean driving the car for you, No,

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<v Speaker 2>not driving now. He needs now he needs a driver. Yes, now, Tiger,

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<v Speaker 2>you are so lucky that you didn't get hurt or well,

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<v Speaker 2>you didn't hurt somebody, because God forbid that Tiger Woods

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<v Speaker 1>what I wouldn't give, you know, to have that kind

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<v Speaker 2>And remember Charles Barkley thing about b don't make me

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<v Speaker 1>No achieve his success, right. And I and I guess

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<v Speaker 1>I you know, I feel I feel for Tiger, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>it's just because we love him, yeah, right, I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>like Michael Jordan, you know, watching a guy like that,

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<v Speaker 2>Again, right, right, all right, So so that's not where

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<v Speaker 2>we were going. I want to talk about straight your book,

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<v Speaker 2>Straight down the Middle, which I'm thoroughly enjoying. Again, I

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<v Speaker 2>highly recommend people to get to know Josh, read this book,

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<v Speaker 2>it'll you'll ease right into it. So what why was

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<v Speaker 2>it feeling like I was listening I was reading about

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<v Speaker 2>golf smarter? I mean, with all these people, is that

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<v Speaker 1>get an email, you know, once a month from somebody

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<v Speaker 1>I went out and I had a hole in one

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<v Speaker 1>on the second hole, my first hole, And they'd say,

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<v Speaker 1>and I knew, and I have never had a hole

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<v Speaker 1>in one. Wow in my life certainly, But I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>I would say that either a hole in one or

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<v Speaker 1>shot the best round of their life. And I number one.

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<v Speaker 1>Will just give you a disclaimer as someone who is

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<v Speaker 1>about a twelve handicaper, I've improved my game by about

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<v Speaker 1>five or six strokes when I was doing the book.

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<v Speaker 1>I am no one to be giving anyone golf advice.

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<v Speaker 1>So it was you know, but it was Yeah, the

427
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<v Speaker 1>book really it was so much fun, and it kind of,

428
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<v Speaker 1>in a weird way, wrote itself because it was just

429
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<v Speaker 1>this journey to try to find alternative ways to improve

430
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<v Speaker 1>your golf game, kind of beginning with you know, the

431
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<v Speaker 1>really beginning with Michael Murphy's. Uh, the idea came from

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<v Speaker 1>the fact that you have three of the best selling

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<v Speaker 1>golf books ever written. Or then Golf by Joe parent

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<v Speaker 1>in a book. What yes, he's in the book.

435
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<v Speaker 2>He is in the book book, and also episode one

436
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<v Speaker 2>of Golf Smarter.

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<v Speaker 1>And I didn't know he was your first guest.

438
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<v Speaker 2>He was Episode one.

439
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<v Speaker 1>That's that's a good first guest, by the way, it's

440
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<v Speaker 1>a good gut And then Michael Murphy's Golf in the

441
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<v Speaker 1>Kingdom and the Legend of Bag of Vance by Stephen Pressfield,

442
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<v Speaker 1>all of which have something in common, which is that,

443
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<v Speaker 1>you know, here's those you know, I said, I'm like

444
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<v Speaker 1>a pop culture writer, and I was like, okay, here's

445
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<v Speaker 1>this game that I have always associated with, you know,

446
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<v Speaker 1>plaid pants, people my dad like, who were my dad's friends?

447
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<v Speaker 1>And Pat Summer all and here it is the three

448
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<v Speaker 1>of you know, maybe the five best selling golf books

449
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<v Speaker 1>ever are all rooted in Eastern spirituality. And and I

450
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<v Speaker 1>had this just totally hilarious experience I had. There's a

451
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<v Speaker 1>guy named sak Young Rimpochet who is leader of I

452
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<v Speaker 1>can't even remember what the name of the organization is anymore,

453
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<v Speaker 1>but a big Buddhist organization in the US. And I

454
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<v Speaker 1>went to a meditation seminar on a Friday night with

455
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<v Speaker 1>my wife and as I think I say in the book,

456
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<v Speaker 1>I was the only person. They're wearing a white sox hat,

457
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<v Speaker 1>which immediately labeled me as like, you know, the absolute outsider.

458
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<v Speaker 1>And we did, you know, we did meditation and stuff,

459
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<v Speaker 1>and I'm like sitting there going You're like, I just

460
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<v Speaker 1>want to go eat. I want to you know, go

461
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<v Speaker 1>see a movie. You know, I couldn't do anything to

462
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<v Speaker 1>get out of there. And you know, I'm trying to

463
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<v Speaker 1>be nice, you know, and be a good boy for

464
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<v Speaker 1>my wife and not act like a child. And when

465
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<v Speaker 1>we go around the room after a meditation session, somebody says,

466
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<v Speaker 1>the guy says, you know, talk each of you talk

467
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<v Speaker 1>about how you know, meditation has impacted your life, and

468
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<v Speaker 1>everybody's gaining some deep understanding of the world. And they

469
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<v Speaker 1>get to me and I had been meditating for about

470
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<v Speaker 1>six months and I was like, you know, it's taking

471
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<v Speaker 1>a couple of strokes off my golf game. And they

472
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<v Speaker 1>all looked at me like, oh, you know, like this

473
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<v Speaker 1>ye'ar they're about to like, you know, all the Buddhists

474
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<v Speaker 1>were going to stone me for mentioning golf. And the

475
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<v Speaker 1>guy who led the thing said, well, you know, the

476
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<v Speaker 1>sock young is an avid golfer. And I thought, oh,

477
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<v Speaker 1>that's a great magazine article, right, I'll go, you know,

478
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<v Speaker 1>and it'll be like the you know, Dali Lama thing

479
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<v Speaker 1>in Caddyshack, and he'll be wearing robes. And of course

480
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<v Speaker 1>that never happened. But I started thinking about this and

481
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<v Speaker 1>I thought, you know, this could be such a fun

482
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<v Speaker 1>book because there's so much alternative golf instruction out there,

483
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<v Speaker 1>and so I, you know, I just started finding people

484
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<v Speaker 1>who had kind of esoteric, kind of Eastern tinged methods

485
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<v Speaker 1>of teaching golf. And of course that involved Joe Parent,

486
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<v Speaker 1>that involved Jim Waldron, involved Jamie Zimron and I'm tried.

487
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<v Speaker 1>I don't even know who else is on your show

488
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<v Speaker 1>that I worked.

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<v Speaker 2>With, but Michael Murphy was mentioned.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Michael Murphy. Michael Murphy I did not play with,

491
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<v Speaker 1>but but I certainly was inspired by his. And the

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<v Speaker 1>final chapter though, is U is an outing at h

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<v Speaker 1>AT in Wisconsin at h Well. I talked to Fred.

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<v Speaker 1>He did not work with me, but he was very

495
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<v Speaker 1>very kind. But I I went to Whistling Straits and

496
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<v Speaker 1>played in an outing with the Shivas Iron Society and

497
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<v Speaker 1>that was the final chapter. So that was kind of,

498
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<v Speaker 1>you know, Michael Murphy inspired thing, and that was really

499
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<v Speaker 1>that was a really great experience. Man, it was just

500
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<v Speaker 1>such a great group of people, all from different walks

501
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<v Speaker 1>of life, all of whom have read this book, you know,

502
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<v Speaker 1>Murphy's book and had it impassed. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. And Ben Klein is now the is now running

504
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<v Speaker 2>Shivas Iron Society. Played golf with him down in Carmel

505
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<v Speaker 2>about two years ago. Okay, and so yeah, still love

506
00:29:30.240 --> 00:29:35.920
<v Speaker 2>Shiva's Iron. Still love the group and the people associated. Yeah,

507
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<v Speaker 2>and so this is why, you know, to me, I

508
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<v Speaker 2>never thought of it as, oh, we're going to take

509
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<v Speaker 2>an Eastern philosophy view of golf. It just kind of

510
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<v Speaker 2>worked out that way when I started thinking about the

511
00:29:48.880 --> 00:29:52.680
<v Speaker 2>mental aspects of it, and it all kind of fell

512
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<v Speaker 2>into place as we did over the years.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Well, yeah, the mental game stuff, you know, it's

514
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<v Speaker 1>and you know, the mental as far as my mental game,

515
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<v Speaker 1>if I have one, has certainly evolved over time, but

516
00:30:07.480 --> 00:30:10.920
<v Speaker 1>it really that stuff has really remained the core of it.

517
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<v Speaker 1>I mean I learned things like, you know, when you

518
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<v Speaker 1>triple bogia hole that you have to you can't go

519
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<v Speaker 1>to the next hole and think I Am going to

520
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<v Speaker 1>kick the crap out of this ball and make up

521
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<v Speaker 1>for all those strokes with one shot, which I have

522
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<v Speaker 1>had all have done, right, you know, and so you know,

523
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<v Speaker 1>and I'm able to, you know, kind of stop myself

524
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<v Speaker 1>and say, you know, I remember it's just a game.

525
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<v Speaker 1>I remember, it's just a nice walkouts walk in nature.

526
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<v Speaker 1>I remember that it's time with friends that I'm supposed

527
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<v Speaker 1>to be enjoying myself. I don't. I still have, but

528
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<v Speaker 1>I don't, you know, frequently drive home after you know,

529
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<v Speaker 1>shooting a bad round and you know, doing that whole

530
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<v Speaker 1>thing where I'm like, I'm never playing this game again.

531
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<v Speaker 1>I don't know what I was thinking. But I used

532
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<v Speaker 1>to do that. I mean, I used to beat myself

533
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<v Speaker 1>up up on the course like you cannot believe. And

534
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<v Speaker 1>after I played, I like, you know, and what's the

535
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<v Speaker 1>consequence of my my shooting an eighty five or ninety three?

536
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<v Speaker 1>You know, it means nothing to the world, but it was,

537
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<v Speaker 1>you know, it gets you out of yourself to take

538
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<v Speaker 1>that different perspective.

539
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<v Speaker 2>Well, I really do hope that listeners will go out

540
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<v Speaker 2>and buy the book. I'd like to see a bump

541
00:31:31.599 --> 00:31:34.079
<v Speaker 2>in your sales on the book. But also it's just

542
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<v Speaker 2>a great way to understand where the where this podcast

543
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<v Speaker 2>is going to go in the future and where is

544
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<v Speaker 2>it going to go? What do you what do you

545
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<v Speaker 2>envision the future of golf smarter to be?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, you know, I want to continue your work and

547
00:31:52.440 --> 00:31:55.599
<v Speaker 1>it's just going to be me doing it with maybe

548
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<v Speaker 1>a little more. Yeah, we're different people, but like I

549
00:32:00.200 --> 00:32:03.200
<v Speaker 1>said before, you and I have a lot of commonality

550
00:32:04.039 --> 00:32:06.440
<v Speaker 1>and we both like to talk and we like to

551
00:32:06.480 --> 00:32:08.640
<v Speaker 1>talk about golf, and so what I really want to do,

552
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<v Speaker 1>you know, I mean a lot a lot of you know,

553
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<v Speaker 1>the people I have talked to, you know, for episodes

554
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<v Speaker 1>that I've recorded, you know, a lot of it has

555
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<v Speaker 1>kind of swing, you know, about different approaches to how

556
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<v Speaker 1>to swing the club. But it's also just about the

557
00:32:23.519 --> 00:32:26.480
<v Speaker 1>game and it's really about getting you know, what's not

558
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<v Speaker 1>is what's interesting to me is how to improve your game.

559
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<v Speaker 1>But what's also interesting to me is the stories of

560
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<v Speaker 1>the people behind absolutely what they did and how they

561
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<v Speaker 1>came to doing that. And it's you know, and that

562
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<v Speaker 1>is really fascinating to me, you know, because you just

563
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<v Speaker 1>have one thing that always blows me away is several

564
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<v Speaker 1>of the people I've interviewed, you know, they say, oh, yeah,

565
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<v Speaker 1>I picked up the game at sixteen, and you know,

566
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<v Speaker 1>by the time I was seventeen and a half, I

567
00:32:49.920 --> 00:32:53.519
<v Speaker 1>was shooting sixty eight and I just think, way, way,

568
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<v Speaker 1>way wait, whoa, whoa, whoa. And then you have people

569
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<v Speaker 1>like you know, Crystal Garcia, who I interviewed and who

570
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<v Speaker 1>I think even viewed as well, who was shooting one hundred,

571
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<v Speaker 1>and you know Red Hogan's I'm you know, Red Hogan's

572
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<v Speaker 1>Five Lessons revamped his own swing based you know, and

573
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<v Speaker 1>his theories based on that, and is now teaching golfer living.

574
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<v Speaker 1>And I love the different viewpoints people bring to it

575
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<v Speaker 1>because it's, you know, it's it's like anything, you know,

576
00:33:26.359 --> 00:33:29.400
<v Speaker 1>I mean, it's you know, if it's movies, if it's baseball,

577
00:33:29.559 --> 00:33:33.440
<v Speaker 1>if it's politics. Everybody's got their unique take on it.

578
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<v Speaker 1>And so it's really interesting to hear, you know, like

579
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<v Speaker 1>and just use Kristo's an example, you know, my whole

580
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<v Speaker 1>their last you know, probably from nineteen ninety five to

581
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<v Speaker 1>two thousand and fifteen, I can't tell you how many

582
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<v Speaker 1>times there had somebody say, oh, well, he's coming over

583
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<v Speaker 1>the top. That's his problem. He's coming over the top.

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<v Speaker 1>And you know, he teaches, he says, his whole thing

585
00:33:58.920 --> 00:34:01.559
<v Speaker 1>is He's like if you really watch videos of you know,

586
00:34:01.640 --> 00:34:04.680
<v Speaker 1>the great golfers of the twentieth century. They're all coming

587
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<v Speaker 1>over the top. And the point isn't the technical stuff

588
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<v Speaker 1>because I'm not a technical you know, I'm not qualified

589
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<v Speaker 1>to be a technical golferson, but just how it takes,

590
00:34:18.559 --> 00:34:23.559
<v Speaker 1>you know, it's not so much about whether you're I'm

591
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<v Speaker 1>so frustrated by the world of you know, you got

592
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<v Speaker 1>to be in the right position, you got to do this,

593
00:34:28.159 --> 00:34:30.800
<v Speaker 1>you got to do that. Where you get caught up

594
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<v Speaker 1>in trying to be perfect while you're playing and trying

595
00:34:37.159 --> 00:34:41.960
<v Speaker 1>to consciously do things, and what really is is it's

596
00:34:42.000 --> 00:34:46.239
<v Speaker 1>about kind of learning different skills that just you find

597
00:34:46.320 --> 00:34:48.239
<v Speaker 1>your swing. And so that's a lot of what the

598
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<v Speaker 1>show is going to be about is people talking about

599
00:34:50.239 --> 00:34:54.920
<v Speaker 1>different ways they've found their swings and their methods and

600
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<v Speaker 1>where they came from and how they got there, and

601
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<v Speaker 1>then you know, just kind of some real practical advice

602
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<v Speaker 1>about you know, here's a couple drills that you know,

603
00:35:05.119 --> 00:35:08.920
<v Speaker 1>you don't need to take lessons, because that is one thing.

604
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<v Speaker 1>I mean, how much golf instruction is out in the

605
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<v Speaker 1>world on YouTube, oh my gosh and Instagram, and it's

606
00:35:16.559 --> 00:35:22.639
<v Speaker 1>all contradictory and so much. Yeah, yes, I.

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<v Speaker 2>Mean you can't you know these That's the thing is

608
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<v Speaker 2>like I always had people I can't tell you how

609
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<v Speaker 2>many instructors I've had on the show that said I

610
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<v Speaker 2>found Ben Hogan's secret. Well, who am I to dispute it?

611
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<v Speaker 2>And I think that that one of the things that

612
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<v Speaker 2>you said rings true for both of us, which is

613
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<v Speaker 2>why I thought you'd be such a great host for

614
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<v Speaker 2>the show, is that we're not qualified to teach. We're

615
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<v Speaker 2>here to learn. And I think that that it is

616
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<v Speaker 2>become a voice to a lot of people going. I

617
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<v Speaker 2>don't want to hear what the odds are or what

618
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<v Speaker 2>the payouts were to last week's tournament or next week.

619
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<v Speaker 2>I don't want to have two instructors talked talking to

620
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<v Speaker 2>themselves and nobody understanding what they say. I mean, I

621
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<v Speaker 2>just wanted to have a show that allowed me to learn,

622
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<v Speaker 2>but also gave voice to the recreational golfer. Right, And

623
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<v Speaker 2>so I think that you know, I'm a twelve handicapped

624
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<v Speaker 2>Now I was low at one point and now I'm not.

625
00:36:29.159 --> 00:36:31.280
<v Speaker 2>I feel like i'm not, but I'm still like, hey,

626
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<v Speaker 2>I'm still at twelve. That's pretty good. But I'm not

627
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<v Speaker 2>qualified to teach right. Yeah. And at a very funny situation,

628
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<v Speaker 2>my buddy Kevin and I were playing and around at

629
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<v Speaker 2>one of our favorite courses, Foxtail North recently, and there

630
00:36:48.719 --> 00:36:50.920
<v Speaker 2>were the and we teed off. There were two guys

631
00:36:51.000 --> 00:36:53.480
<v Speaker 2>were teeing off behind us. We were twosome. We said,

632
00:36:53.480 --> 00:36:55.559
<v Speaker 2>you want to join us. They're like, no, no, that's okay.

633
00:36:56.000 --> 00:36:58.719
<v Speaker 2>You guys, we're we're not very good, so you guys

634
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<v Speaker 2>just go ahead and play in front of us. It's

635
00:37:01.480 --> 00:37:04.000
<v Speaker 2>like fine, okay. So we didn't play with him, but

636
00:37:04.079 --> 00:37:06.239
<v Speaker 2>I talked to him at tea boxes a couple of times.

637
00:37:06.599 --> 00:37:08.400
<v Speaker 2>Then they pulled up to one of the tea box

638
00:37:08.480 --> 00:37:11.320
<v Speaker 2>and number ten or eleven and one of the kids,

639
00:37:11.760 --> 00:37:14.320
<v Speaker 2>two young men, and he said, do you mind if

640
00:37:14.320 --> 00:37:16.880
<v Speaker 2>I ask you a question? And I was like sure,

641
00:37:16.960 --> 00:37:19.119
<v Speaker 2>go ahead, and he goes, how do you get the

642
00:37:19.119 --> 00:37:21.480
<v Speaker 2>ball off the tee? How do you hit the ball

643
00:37:21.519 --> 00:37:25.119
<v Speaker 2>straight off the team? I'm like, you're asking, We've never

644
00:37:25.239 --> 00:37:28.639
<v Speaker 2>talked and you want to ask me that question. It's

645
00:37:28.679 --> 00:37:36.000
<v Speaker 2>like a right, don't know. And Kevin started giving him

646
00:37:36.039 --> 00:37:38.480
<v Speaker 2>lessons and showing him his hands and doing things, and

647
00:37:38.519 --> 00:37:41.719
<v Speaker 2>I'm like, just slow down and don't try to hit

648
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<v Speaker 2>it hard. That's all I'm gonna tell you. I don't

649
00:37:43.679 --> 00:37:47.199
<v Speaker 2>want to say just slow it down. If you try

650
00:37:47.239 --> 00:37:48.760
<v Speaker 2>to hit it hard, you're gonna go over.

651
00:37:48.840 --> 00:37:49.159
<v Speaker 1>You get it.

652
00:37:49.199 --> 00:37:51.239
<v Speaker 2>You create tension in your body. And this is all

653
00:37:51.280 --> 00:37:53.960
<v Speaker 2>stuff I've learned in the show. You got to loosen

654
00:37:54.000 --> 00:37:56.760
<v Speaker 2>the tension and stuff. So yeah, the fact that you're

655
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<v Speaker 2>not qualified to teach, but love the game and loved

656
00:37:59.880 --> 00:38:06.519
<v Speaker 2>to improve and want to hear great stories. And well

657
00:38:06.599 --> 00:38:08.920
<v Speaker 2>you said we like to talk. Do I like to talk?

658
00:38:09.119 --> 00:38:09.960
<v Speaker 2>I like to listen?

659
00:38:10.800 --> 00:38:13.880
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I prefer to listen. Right.

660
00:38:13.920 --> 00:38:16.800
<v Speaker 2>But one of the things that happened while in this

661
00:38:16.960 --> 00:38:18.960
<v Speaker 2>six month period that I've been trying to figure out

662
00:38:19.000 --> 00:38:22.400
<v Speaker 2>what I was going to do next, whenever stories came

663
00:38:22.440 --> 00:38:26.320
<v Speaker 2>across my desk that usually I'm like, oh that's interesting.

664
00:38:26.320 --> 00:38:28.480
<v Speaker 2>I want to get that person on the show, right,

665
00:38:29.280 --> 00:38:33.480
<v Speaker 2>I started seeing those stories going yeah, I'm not interested.

666
00:38:34.039 --> 00:38:36.880
<v Speaker 2>I'm like, oh, that's gonna tell me something. I just

667
00:38:37.000 --> 00:38:41.159
<v Speaker 2>wasn't interested in pursuing it. I'm like, yeah, I think

668
00:38:41.199 --> 00:38:44.119
<v Speaker 2>I'm done. I think I think it's time. I'm done,

669
00:38:44.280 --> 00:38:48.159
<v Speaker 2>But I am going to come back. Oh yeah, right,

670
00:38:48.280 --> 00:38:52.800
<v Speaker 2>are you gonna Besides being on Fridays, right. I'd love

671
00:38:52.840 --> 00:38:56.360
<v Speaker 2>to occasionally say hello, you.

672
00:38:56.280 --> 00:39:00.119
<v Speaker 1>Are welcome any any time and as often as you

673
00:39:00.119 --> 00:39:02.400
<v Speaker 1>would like to like to be involved, and I would

674
00:39:02.400 --> 00:39:03.079
<v Speaker 1>hope that you would.

675
00:39:03.679 --> 00:39:05.840
<v Speaker 2>Well, of course we're going to do next week. We're

676
00:39:05.840 --> 00:39:07.760
<v Speaker 2>going to have Waldron one.

677
00:39:08.280 --> 00:39:14.840
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

678
00:39:14.960 --> 00:39:19.440
<v Speaker 2>One of the things on your CV, your resume just

679
00:39:19.480 --> 00:39:21.599
<v Speaker 2>call them, uh, is you're a producer.

680
00:39:22.400 --> 00:39:22.719
<v Speaker 1>Yes.

681
00:39:23.039 --> 00:39:26.280
<v Speaker 2>Can you tell me more about that? That fascinates me? Yeah, well,

682
00:39:26.320 --> 00:39:28.800
<v Speaker 2>I as producer, I mean so many different things that

683
00:39:28.880 --> 00:39:32.960
<v Speaker 2>depending on which media, your medium you're discussing. You know,

684
00:39:33.000 --> 00:39:36.280
<v Speaker 2>I was a radio producer, which was what I made commercials,

685
00:39:36.400 --> 00:39:39.480
<v Speaker 2>or I produced the morning show or you know, but

686
00:39:39.480 --> 00:39:41.599
<v Speaker 2>but that's not what you're doing.

687
00:39:43.360 --> 00:39:47.840
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Yeah, I mean I I I had I really

688
00:39:47.960 --> 00:39:54.199
<v Speaker 1>lucked into it. You know, it's funny. I mean, I

689
00:39:54.000 --> 00:39:56.599
<v Speaker 1>I remember when I started my career, my whole goal

690
00:39:56.719 --> 00:39:57.920
<v Speaker 1>was I was like, I just want to be able

691
00:39:57.920 --> 00:40:01.480
<v Speaker 1>to make a living as a journalists and support my family.

692
00:40:02.719 --> 00:40:07.800
<v Speaker 1>And that happened way more quickly than I than I

693
00:40:07.840 --> 00:40:09.880
<v Speaker 1>thought it was going to. So I was kind of like, okay,

694
00:40:10.719 --> 00:40:15.360
<v Speaker 1>and then you know, everything I've done has kind of

695
00:40:16.280 --> 00:40:17.800
<v Speaker 1>I just you know, I get to this point where

696
00:40:18.000 --> 00:40:20.760
<v Speaker 1>you know, I look back five years and say, wow,

697
00:40:20.800 --> 00:40:25.280
<v Speaker 1>I never thought I'd be doing this. And in like

698
00:40:25.400 --> 00:40:35.719
<v Speaker 1>twenty fifteen, I was. I was working on a TV project,

699
00:40:36.320 --> 00:40:38.199
<v Speaker 1>Like I was. I was writing a TV script that

700
00:40:38.519 --> 00:40:44.000
<v Speaker 1>I sold but the to to a famous actors production company.

701
00:40:44.039 --> 00:40:47.039
<v Speaker 1>But and then it never went really far past that.

702
00:40:47.199 --> 00:40:51.599
<v Speaker 1>But we worked on developing it and stuff. And when

703
00:40:51.599 --> 00:40:59.159
<v Speaker 1>I was working on that, I got a call from

704
00:40:59.199 --> 00:41:03.239
<v Speaker 1>the guys who had who had optioned my first book,

705
00:41:03.280 --> 00:41:06.199
<v Speaker 1>A feudal and stupid gesture, and and they were like,

706
00:41:06.320 --> 00:41:08.159
<v Speaker 1>you know, and they had been trying to get it

707
00:41:08.239 --> 00:41:12.320
<v Speaker 1>made for about five years, and it was always you know,

708
00:41:12.360 --> 00:41:15.280
<v Speaker 1>the story of oh, you know, so and So's in

709
00:41:15.360 --> 00:41:16.840
<v Speaker 1>so and So's in so and So's in but we

710
00:41:17.199 --> 00:41:19.119
<v Speaker 1>got half the money, but we don't have the other half.

711
00:41:19.719 --> 00:41:21.719
<v Speaker 1>And it's a very trick you know, it's a tricky

712
00:41:21.760 --> 00:41:23.440
<v Speaker 1>the way thing that I learned a lot about how

713
00:41:23.480 --> 00:41:25.920
<v Speaker 1>the way things work with all that in Hollywood. Anyway,

714
00:41:26.400 --> 00:41:28.880
<v Speaker 1>long story short, they went into a meeting at Netflix.

715
00:41:28.880 --> 00:41:31.480
<v Speaker 1>And this was right before Netflix got into This is

716
00:41:31.639 --> 00:41:34.400
<v Speaker 1>at the absolute beginning of them getting into original production.

717
00:41:35.000 --> 00:41:37.599
<v Speaker 1>You know, they were still the company they were they

718
00:41:39.000 --> 00:41:41.599
<v Speaker 1>had Netflix, but they were still you know, just kind

719
00:41:41.599 --> 00:41:44.880
<v Speaker 1>of coming out of that sending back your DVD's era,

720
00:41:45.960 --> 00:41:49.599
<v Speaker 1>and and they went into a meeting and they came

721
00:41:49.599 --> 00:41:51.519
<v Speaker 1>out forty five minutes later and they're like, done, deal,

722
00:41:51.559 --> 00:41:53.280
<v Speaker 1>We're making the movie. And so I'm like, oh my god,

723
00:41:53.320 --> 00:41:55.679
<v Speaker 1>this is like talk about something I never thought would happen.

724
00:41:56.199 --> 00:42:02.119
<v Speaker 1>Yea and am around the same time, you know, the

725
00:42:02.199 --> 00:42:04.519
<v Speaker 1>one thing that happens. You know, people don't just email

726
00:42:04.519 --> 00:42:07.880
<v Speaker 1>you about your holes in one they or their holes

727
00:42:07.880 --> 00:42:11.400
<v Speaker 1>in one. They all kinds of people email you and

728
00:42:11.440 --> 00:42:13.559
<v Speaker 1>you write a book and they say, hey, I'm a director,

729
00:42:13.599 --> 00:42:16.440
<v Speaker 1>i'm a producer. I'd like to, you know, make a

730
00:42:16.480 --> 00:42:19.199
<v Speaker 1>movie out of your book. And I just kind of,

731
00:42:19.280 --> 00:42:21.840
<v Speaker 1>you know, it was like you know, I at first

732
00:42:21.880 --> 00:42:24.360
<v Speaker 1>it was really exciting, and then you start googling them

733
00:42:25.159 --> 00:42:27.599
<v Speaker 1>very flattering and then but then you kind of get

734
00:42:27.679 --> 00:42:29.480
<v Speaker 1>where you google the person you go like, well, I

735
00:42:29.480 --> 00:42:33.480
<v Speaker 1>don't see that they've ever made anything. So I got

736
00:42:33.480 --> 00:42:37.000
<v Speaker 1>an email shortly after the deal got made for my

737
00:42:37.079 --> 00:42:39.639
<v Speaker 1>first book to be made into a movie, and it

738
00:42:39.679 --> 00:42:41.559
<v Speaker 1>was from a guy and he just said, you know, hey,

739
00:42:41.519 --> 00:42:44.800
<v Speaker 1>I've wanted to make a documentary about this Orson Wells

740
00:42:44.840 --> 00:42:47.039
<v Speaker 1>movie forever. And I just read your book and blah

741
00:42:47.079 --> 00:42:49.519
<v Speaker 1>blah blah, you know, do you want to talk? And

742
00:42:49.840 --> 00:42:51.480
<v Speaker 1>I wasn't, you know, And I was like, yeah, sure,

743
00:42:51.519 --> 00:42:53.480
<v Speaker 1>of course. And then I googled him and I was like,

744
00:42:53.760 --> 00:42:59.320
<v Speaker 1>oh my god, this guy is like really legitimate. He

745
00:42:59.360 --> 00:43:04.239
<v Speaker 1>had won the ass for Best Documentary like two years before.

746
00:43:04.800 --> 00:43:07.800
<v Speaker 1>And his name is Morgan Neville and he's great. And

747
00:43:07.880 --> 00:43:10.679
<v Speaker 1>he let you know, he had me work as a

748
00:43:10.679 --> 00:43:16.239
<v Speaker 1>producer and the Source and Wells documentary and then and

749
00:43:16.400 --> 00:43:18.360
<v Speaker 1>and really, I'm you know, I'm not producing in any

750
00:43:18.400 --> 00:43:21.920
<v Speaker 1>kind of technical way. It was really you know, and

751
00:43:21.960 --> 00:43:24.519
<v Speaker 1>I wasn't writing it per se, but I was doing

752
00:43:24.519 --> 00:43:28.480
<v Speaker 1>a lot of the interviews. I was doing a lot

753
00:43:28.519 --> 00:43:31.159
<v Speaker 1>of you know, I was he was certainly the creative

754
00:43:31.159 --> 00:43:33.719
<v Speaker 1>person behind it, but I did a lot of the

755
00:43:33.719 --> 00:43:36.199
<v Speaker 1>interviews and also was allowed to have a lot of

756
00:43:37.199 --> 00:43:40.400
<v Speaker 1>input into some of the creative stuff. And I love that.

757
00:43:40.679 --> 00:43:43.679
<v Speaker 1>And when you're a writer, you spend all your time

758
00:43:44.400 --> 00:43:49.280
<v Speaker 1>unless you're interviewing somebody alone. And I love the collaborative

759
00:43:49.320 --> 00:43:51.840
<v Speaker 1>nature of working on a film. And I love movies.

760
00:43:51.880 --> 00:43:53.880
<v Speaker 1>I mean, that's you know, another thing, you know, I mean,

761
00:43:54.039 --> 00:43:58.760
<v Speaker 1>I love movies like I love golf. And and then

762
00:43:58.800 --> 00:44:03.760
<v Speaker 1>I've worked as a consulting producer on his One of

763
00:44:03.800 --> 00:44:06.000
<v Speaker 1>his more recent ones that just came out in December.

764
00:44:06.559 --> 00:44:09.880
<v Speaker 1>It was called Breakdown nineteen seventy five that was on Netflix.

765
00:44:09.880 --> 00:44:14.000
<v Speaker 1>That was about the basically the movies of nineteen seventy

766
00:44:14.039 --> 00:44:17.119
<v Speaker 1>five and how they reflect the culture.

767
00:44:17.840 --> 00:44:20.960
<v Speaker 2>Oh really, Oh yeah. I was like. My wife and

768
00:44:21.000 --> 00:44:23.199
<v Speaker 2>I started watching. She goes, oh, this isn't about nineteen

769
00:44:23.239 --> 00:44:26.039
<v Speaker 2>seventy five, and I'm like, no, it's about the movies

770
00:44:26.840 --> 00:44:31.079
<v Speaker 2>of nineteen seventy five that were commenting on American culture, right.

771
00:44:31.119 --> 00:44:32.559
<v Speaker 2>It was like and I loved it. I thought it

772
00:44:32.559 --> 00:44:33.079
<v Speaker 2>was fascinating.

773
00:44:33.119 --> 00:44:34.760
<v Speaker 1>My wife, Oh, it was a blast. I mean, I

774
00:44:34.800 --> 00:44:36.960
<v Speaker 1>had so much fun working on it. And I love

775
00:44:37.000 --> 00:44:38.519
<v Speaker 1>to learn about stuff, you know, and I got to

776
00:44:38.599 --> 00:44:42.239
<v Speaker 1>learn about all, you know, all kinds of you know,

777
00:44:42.360 --> 00:44:44.360
<v Speaker 1>felt like I didn't know much about the Church Commission,

778
00:44:44.599 --> 00:44:46.559
<v Speaker 1>and all of a sudden, I'm trying to find movies

779
00:44:46.599 --> 00:44:50.000
<v Speaker 1>that reflect what's going on in the Church Commission. And

780
00:44:50.079 --> 00:44:51.719
<v Speaker 1>it was just you know, and I just I love

781
00:44:51.800 --> 00:44:54.960
<v Speaker 1>I love doing that stuff. And I have other you know,

782
00:44:55.039 --> 00:44:57.000
<v Speaker 1>TV and film projects that I'm working on right now,

783
00:44:57.039 --> 00:45:00.519
<v Speaker 1>both as a producer and a writer. But yeah, so

784
00:45:00.559 --> 00:45:02.320
<v Speaker 1>I mean and and I you know, and I have

785
00:45:02.360 --> 00:45:06.519
<v Speaker 1>other you know, film ish projects in development that I'm producing.

786
00:45:06.519 --> 00:45:09.119
<v Speaker 1>But I'm really, like, I would say, a creative producer

787
00:45:09.199 --> 00:45:12.519
<v Speaker 1>more than a producer producer. Like if you put me

788
00:45:12.559 --> 00:45:14.639
<v Speaker 1>in charge of the production, like the woman who is

789
00:45:14.639 --> 00:45:18.480
<v Speaker 1>my co producer on the orson Wells One, I mean,

790
00:45:19.000 --> 00:45:22.079
<v Speaker 1>I could not do what she does. She made sure

791
00:45:22.199 --> 00:45:27.119
<v Speaker 1>everything got done and I just did my thing. So

792
00:45:27.199 --> 00:45:28.519
<v Speaker 1>that's kind of what I'm gonna.

793
00:45:28.760 --> 00:45:31.760
<v Speaker 2>Okay, okay, good, Well, I'm glad we got to we

794
00:45:31.800 --> 00:45:35.239
<v Speaker 2>get to learn more about that. Yeah, so I'm curious here.

795
00:45:36.519 --> 00:45:37.679
<v Speaker 2>Do you have any questions for me?

796
00:45:38.800 --> 00:45:44.079
<v Speaker 1>I certainly do. Oh so let's first of all, tell

797
00:45:44.199 --> 00:45:46.239
<v Speaker 1>you know, tell me a little bit about what's been

798
00:45:46.280 --> 00:45:51.519
<v Speaker 1>going on with you, you know, since you've decided to

799
00:45:51.559 --> 00:45:54.079
<v Speaker 1>step away from golf murder, and you know what and

800
00:45:54.239 --> 00:45:56.960
<v Speaker 1>what you plan to do other than and I know

801
00:45:57.039 --> 00:45:58.559
<v Speaker 1>golf is a big piece of it. So I want

802
00:45:58.599 --> 00:45:59.239
<v Speaker 1>to hear about that.

803
00:45:59.360 --> 00:46:03.280
<v Speaker 2>Well, it's in interesting because there was no plan. There's

804
00:46:03.320 --> 00:46:06.159
<v Speaker 2>never been a plan. I'm not good at that. We

805
00:46:06.239 --> 00:46:10.440
<v Speaker 2>have that, yeah, I'm never never good at the plan part.

806
00:46:11.639 --> 00:46:15.719
<v Speaker 2>I just felt like, you know, I turned seventy in August,

807
00:46:15.760 --> 00:46:19.960
<v Speaker 2>and I felt like I'm ready to retire. And what's

808
00:46:20.039 --> 00:46:24.000
<v Speaker 2>so fascinating is everyone's asking me, what are you going

809
00:46:24.079 --> 00:46:26.280
<v Speaker 2>to do? What are you going to do? What are

810
00:46:26.320 --> 00:46:30.079
<v Speaker 2>you going to do? And that is what I've given

811
00:46:30.119 --> 00:46:37.559
<v Speaker 2>all a tremendous amount of thought because I've been doing

812
00:46:37.599 --> 00:46:43.239
<v Speaker 2>my whole life. I've been incredibly blessed that I was

813
00:46:43.360 --> 00:46:48.360
<v Speaker 2>able to go into business for myself in nineteen eighty six,

814
00:46:48.559 --> 00:46:52.480
<v Speaker 2>and I've had to reinvent myself many times doing that,

815
00:46:53.119 --> 00:46:56.480
<v Speaker 2>which was great advice from one of my mentors. It's like,

816
00:46:56.559 --> 00:46:58.320
<v Speaker 2>you need to listen. When you're self employed, you got

817
00:46:58.360 --> 00:47:02.639
<v Speaker 2>to reinvent yourself every Monday. And I've had some luck,

818
00:47:03.239 --> 00:47:06.760
<v Speaker 2>I've had some good fortune on some projects, and so

819
00:47:07.960 --> 00:47:13.360
<v Speaker 2>my feeling is right now, I don't want to do anything.

820
00:47:13.960 --> 00:47:17.400
<v Speaker 1>I just want to be yeah, which is hard, right,

821
00:47:17.760 --> 00:47:18.239
<v Speaker 1>which is.

822
00:47:18.239 --> 00:47:26.000
<v Speaker 2>Really hard to do. But I just want to just,

823
00:47:26.199 --> 00:47:30.360
<v Speaker 2>you know, appreciate where I am in my life and

824
00:47:31.599 --> 00:47:34.719
<v Speaker 2>value this incredible relationship that I've had with my wife,

825
00:47:34.760 --> 00:47:37.920
<v Speaker 2>going on forty six years this year will be married,

826
00:47:38.360 --> 00:47:41.840
<v Speaker 2>and we have three amazing grandchildren and our sons are

827
00:47:41.840 --> 00:47:47.239
<v Speaker 2>doing well, and I just want to focus on that

828
00:47:47.880 --> 00:47:51.519
<v Speaker 2>part of my life going forward in the you know,

829
00:47:51.559 --> 00:47:54.559
<v Speaker 2>because like when I turned seventy, I remember saying, We're

830
00:47:54.599 --> 00:47:56.599
<v Speaker 2>at dinner with some friends, and I said, you know,

831
00:47:57.079 --> 00:47:59.559
<v Speaker 2>the big birthdays are when there's a zero on it, right,

832
00:47:59.639 --> 00:48:02.559
<v Speaker 2>those are always the big birthdays. And so I guess

833
00:48:02.559 --> 00:48:04.159
<v Speaker 2>this is one of the big birthdays. But the thing

834
00:48:04.320 --> 00:48:11.039
<v Speaker 2>is why may only have hopefully one maybe two left

835
00:48:11.280 --> 00:48:15.559
<v Speaker 2>in those. So it's like, do I need to do? No,

836
00:48:16.079 --> 00:48:19.599
<v Speaker 2>I don't want to do. And so I've decided that

837
00:48:20.639 --> 00:48:23.480
<v Speaker 2>in thinking a lot about it, one of my favorite

838
00:48:23.519 --> 00:48:28.079
<v Speaker 2>times of my life was growing up and having recess.

839
00:48:30.360 --> 00:48:33.159
<v Speaker 2>That's what I want to do. I want to have recess.

840
00:48:33.239 --> 00:48:37.400
<v Speaker 2>So I've been acting like a teenager. I sleep late,

841
00:48:39.000 --> 00:48:41.880
<v Speaker 2>and then when I get up, I'll spend an hour

842
00:48:42.360 --> 00:48:45.599
<v Speaker 2>reading articles and laying in bed, you know, with my iPad.

843
00:48:46.079 --> 00:48:49.159
<v Speaker 2>Then I get up and I'll do yoga and stretching.

844
00:48:50.639 --> 00:48:54.039
<v Speaker 2>And then it's a choice of do I practice golf,

845
00:48:54.280 --> 00:49:00.840
<v Speaker 2>do I play golf, do I go swimming? And then

846
00:49:00.880 --> 00:49:02.599
<v Speaker 2>there's always got to go for a walk because I

847
00:49:02.639 --> 00:49:05.840
<v Speaker 2>got a dog, so I got to walk. We like

848
00:49:05.920 --> 00:49:08.760
<v Speaker 2>to hike, and Joanne loves to hike, and I always

849
00:49:08.760 --> 00:49:10.480
<v Speaker 2>say I love to hike too, but every so often

850
00:49:10.519 --> 00:49:12.519
<v Speaker 2>I want to hit something, so I want to walk.

851
00:49:12.719 --> 00:49:14.639
<v Speaker 2>I want to walk more. I want to play, you know,

852
00:49:14.679 --> 00:49:17.920
<v Speaker 2>I definitely want to play more. And I'm actually and

853
00:49:18.679 --> 00:49:22.519
<v Speaker 2>listeners who've been with me for a while will know

854
00:49:22.679 --> 00:49:25.159
<v Speaker 2>that I've always talked about I've got a golf course

855
00:49:25.280 --> 00:49:27.760
<v Speaker 2>right outside my window here, but I'm not a member.

856
00:49:28.840 --> 00:49:30.920
<v Speaker 2>I've put in my application to become a member of

857
00:49:31.000 --> 00:49:35.039
<v Speaker 2>the golf course because I was looking at different places

858
00:49:35.079 --> 00:49:38.280
<v Speaker 2>of where I could go and become a member, and

859
00:49:38.320 --> 00:49:40.239
<v Speaker 2>I'm like, why am I looking other places. There's a

860
00:49:40.280 --> 00:49:43.159
<v Speaker 2>golf course in my backyard right right, and they have

861
00:49:43.239 --> 00:49:47.159
<v Speaker 2>a great practice facility, and they have tennis and pick

862
00:49:47.199 --> 00:49:51.719
<v Speaker 2>a ball and a full gym and a great restaurant

863
00:49:52.000 --> 00:49:57.159
<v Speaker 2>and swimming pools. But a swimming pool is like, they

864
00:49:57.159 --> 00:50:00.800
<v Speaker 2>don't designate laps for swimming, and it's only open from

865
00:50:00.840 --> 00:50:03.079
<v Speaker 2>May to October. It's come on, this is Marin County.

866
00:50:03.119 --> 00:50:06.800
<v Speaker 2>What are you doing. I swelled swim twelve months a year,

867
00:50:07.159 --> 00:50:09.280
<v Speaker 2>so anyway, the swimming part may not work out for me.

868
00:50:09.320 --> 00:50:12.679
<v Speaker 2>But the great restaurant and the practice and one time

869
00:50:12.719 --> 00:50:15.199
<v Speaker 2>I did an interview with somebody, We're talking about the

870
00:50:15.280 --> 00:50:21.480
<v Speaker 2>value of golf country club membership. And I say, yeah,

871
00:50:21.639 --> 00:50:23.679
<v Speaker 2>I guess the coolest thing is you can play as

872
00:50:23.719 --> 00:50:26.920
<v Speaker 2>much as you want. He's like, ah, that's the difference.

873
00:50:27.840 --> 00:50:29.880
<v Speaker 2>I get to play as little as I want. I'm like,

874
00:50:29.920 --> 00:50:31.639
<v Speaker 2>what do you mean? He goes, if I want to

875
00:50:31.639 --> 00:50:34.000
<v Speaker 2>play three holes today, I'll play three holes. I want

876
00:50:34.039 --> 00:50:35.920
<v Speaker 2>to play five, I want to play nine. I can

877
00:50:35.960 --> 00:50:39.280
<v Speaker 2>do whatever I want. I can play as little as

878
00:50:39.320 --> 00:50:42.679
<v Speaker 2>I want, not as much as I want. And to

879
00:50:42.760 --> 00:50:45.239
<v Speaker 2>me that was like, oh, so I can go. I

880
00:50:45.239 --> 00:50:47.559
<v Speaker 2>have two holes right in my backyard. I could play

881
00:50:47.559 --> 00:50:50.440
<v Speaker 2>these two over and over, or I've even set up like, oh,

882
00:50:50.480 --> 00:50:52.719
<v Speaker 2>there's a five hole loop that I could just do,

883
00:50:53.159 --> 00:50:56.119
<v Speaker 2>start on the next hole and end here and do

884
00:50:56.239 --> 00:51:01.760
<v Speaker 2>that and go practice. So that's what hopefully in my

885
00:51:01.800 --> 00:51:03.960
<v Speaker 2>feudre And then we love to travel, so I want

886
00:51:03.960 --> 00:51:10.000
<v Speaker 2>to continue traveling doing a lot more so it's you know,

887
00:51:10.360 --> 00:51:11.920
<v Speaker 2>and listen to podcasts.

888
00:51:12.519 --> 00:51:15.119
<v Speaker 1>What's where? Where do you want to travel? Like is

889
00:51:15.159 --> 00:51:16.960
<v Speaker 1>there any place you're dying to go to that you

890
00:51:17.000 --> 00:51:18.679
<v Speaker 1>haven't been or that you want to go back to.

891
00:51:18.760 --> 00:51:25.480
<v Speaker 2>Or yeah, Joanne's in charge of booking those trips. But

892
00:51:25.679 --> 00:51:28.639
<v Speaker 2>I have my three years ago I said for my

893
00:51:28.719 --> 00:51:31.119
<v Speaker 2>seventieth birthday, I want to spend a month in Australia.

894
00:51:31.400 --> 00:51:35.280
<v Speaker 2>Well we're not even booking a trip to Australia yet,

895
00:51:35.400 --> 00:51:36.960
<v Speaker 2>and it's like, well, can we just go to New

896
00:51:37.000 --> 00:51:39.360
<v Speaker 2>Zealand then yeah, well we'll get there at some point,

897
00:51:39.440 --> 00:51:41.719
<v Speaker 2>but there's other places we got to go first. So

898
00:51:42.000 --> 00:51:48.039
<v Speaker 2>we love international travel. We love exploring. Uh. I would

899
00:51:48.119 --> 00:51:50.000
<v Speaker 2>love to just be able to get in the car,

900
00:51:50.119 --> 00:51:52.760
<v Speaker 2>go away for two days and go play golf somewhere,

901
00:51:53.320 --> 00:51:58.280
<v Speaker 2>you know, just do road trips for golf and I

902
00:51:58.320 --> 00:52:02.480
<v Speaker 2>we we really I want to go back to South America.

903
00:52:02.519 --> 00:52:06.840
<v Speaker 2>I love South America. I feel like Europe is like obvious,

904
00:52:07.440 --> 00:52:09.599
<v Speaker 2>you will go to Yeah, yeah we did Europe, we

905
00:52:09.639 --> 00:52:13.000
<v Speaker 2>did last year. But I love I live the Far

906
00:52:13.039 --> 00:52:15.320
<v Speaker 2>East and I love South America. I want to go

907
00:52:15.400 --> 00:52:17.920
<v Speaker 2>back to Australia, which I went once, but I want

908
00:52:17.920 --> 00:52:20.360
<v Speaker 2>to go to New Zealand as well. I love to

909
00:52:20.400 --> 00:52:23.239
<v Speaker 2>travel more with my golf clubs. We don't usually do that,

910
00:52:23.840 --> 00:52:27.960
<v Speaker 2>but this country club here is a Troon Privey course,

911
00:52:28.000 --> 00:52:29.840
<v Speaker 2>so I'll be able to go and take advantage of

912
00:52:30.119 --> 00:52:32.000
<v Speaker 2>the Troon courses, which would be awesome.

913
00:52:32.599 --> 00:52:32.840
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

914
00:52:32.880 --> 00:52:35.199
<v Speaker 2>The problem with this golf course, we put our deposit

915
00:52:35.280 --> 00:52:37.559
<v Speaker 2>in for membership, and it's like, oh, there's a year

916
00:52:37.599 --> 00:52:41.559
<v Speaker 2>long waiting list. Wait a minute, I'm ready now. Oh well,

917
00:52:41.599 --> 00:52:43.360
<v Speaker 2>you got to wait for people to quit or die,

918
00:52:43.400 --> 00:52:45.880
<v Speaker 2>and that's not going to happen in the spring, that's

919
00:52:45.880 --> 00:52:50.840
<v Speaker 2>going to happen. So and even though Ken Doherty, who

920
00:52:50.920 --> 00:52:52.760
<v Speaker 2>is the director of golf here, it's been on the

921
00:52:52.800 --> 00:52:56.400
<v Speaker 2>program multiple times, you know, and I did video work

922
00:52:56.440 --> 00:53:00.119
<v Speaker 2>for this golf course. I produced some videos for them.

923
00:53:00.159 --> 00:53:03.119
<v Speaker 2>Sorry it doesn't count. Nope, you're starting from scratch. So

924
00:53:03.360 --> 00:53:05.199
<v Speaker 2>I don't know when i'll we get to be a

925
00:53:05.239 --> 00:53:07.719
<v Speaker 2>member there, but that's one of the things that I

926
00:53:07.719 --> 00:53:08.440
<v Speaker 2>want to do.

927
00:53:09.280 --> 00:53:14.559
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, for sure. No, that's no. It's funny, like you know,

928
00:53:14.639 --> 00:53:19.719
<v Speaker 1>I always think about what it would be to stop doing,

929
00:53:21.039 --> 00:53:25.199
<v Speaker 1>you know, and to just try to like enjoy what's here.

930
00:53:26.079 --> 00:53:28.960
<v Speaker 2>We've always said about ourselves, we're not human beings, we're

931
00:53:29.039 --> 00:53:33.280
<v Speaker 2>human doings, right, and we're constantly on the move and

932
00:53:33.360 --> 00:53:36.559
<v Speaker 2>you know, very fast paced.

933
00:53:37.559 --> 00:53:40.840
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's really I mean, I've always I remember my father.

934
00:53:41.960 --> 00:53:44.320
<v Speaker 1>I always thought he ran a family business and I

935
00:53:44.320 --> 00:53:47.360
<v Speaker 1>always thought, man, they're going to drag him out of

936
00:53:47.400 --> 00:53:50.639
<v Speaker 1>there on a stretcher. By his feet when he's ninety

937
00:53:50.679 --> 00:53:53.360
<v Speaker 1>eight years old and he's going to be telling people

938
00:53:53.400 --> 00:53:55.119
<v Speaker 1>what they should be doing on the way out the door.

939
00:53:55.760 --> 00:53:58.039
<v Speaker 1>And he sold the business when he was my age

940
00:53:58.440 --> 00:54:03.760
<v Speaker 1>actually choose it was the bakery of my age. Yes,

941
00:54:04.000 --> 00:54:06.840
<v Speaker 1>I am fifty nine years old, okay, and I was

942
00:54:06.880 --> 00:54:11.440
<v Speaker 1>actually many years for golf smarter. Yes, as a brief digression,

943
00:54:11.519 --> 00:54:13.480
<v Speaker 1>I was just in Mexico and spring break with my

944
00:54:13.599 --> 00:54:17.840
<v Speaker 1>kid and I went to play golf and I took

945
00:54:17.840 --> 00:54:20.000
<v Speaker 1>an uber and I was having a little bit of

946
00:54:20.000 --> 00:54:22.639
<v Speaker 1>a language barrier with this kid who was driving the uber,

947
00:54:22.679 --> 00:54:24.559
<v Speaker 1>and he was twenty five. But I said how old

948
00:54:24.559 --> 00:54:26.119
<v Speaker 1>are you? And he said I'm twenty five And he

949
00:54:26.119 --> 00:54:27.480
<v Speaker 1>said how old are you? And I said I'm fifty

950
00:54:27.519 --> 00:54:31.039
<v Speaker 1>nine and he said, you look great for seventy nine,

951
00:54:31.559 --> 00:54:35.559
<v Speaker 1>and I it's fifty nine.

952
00:54:35.880 --> 00:54:37.960
<v Speaker 2>You know. I was like, oh, well, you look like crap.

953
00:54:38.519 --> 00:54:38.840
<v Speaker 2>I know.

954
00:54:39.400 --> 00:54:45.480
<v Speaker 1>Well, that's why I was. It was like seventy nine.

955
00:54:45.760 --> 00:54:49.039
<v Speaker 1>I guess I look good for seventy nine. But no,

956
00:54:49.280 --> 00:54:52.199
<v Speaker 1>it's yes, I'm fifty nine years old, and I'm actually

957
00:54:52.239 --> 00:54:56.800
<v Speaker 1>you know, it's funny, you know, as I'm about turned

958
00:54:56.840 --> 00:55:01.039
<v Speaker 1>sixty in October, and I really have No, it's I'm

959
00:55:01.079 --> 00:55:04.239
<v Speaker 1>excited to turn sixty, which I never would have thought

960
00:55:04.360 --> 00:55:06.159
<v Speaker 1>I would be. But I'm just kind of like, you know,

961
00:55:06.199 --> 00:55:08.719
<v Speaker 1>it's a nice it's a nice time in my life.

962
00:55:08.719 --> 00:55:11.679
<v Speaker 1>And I'm about to have my youngest goway to college

963
00:55:12.400 --> 00:55:14.599
<v Speaker 1>and have some small version. I still have to pay

964
00:55:14.639 --> 00:55:18.519
<v Speaker 1>for college, so I can't I can't start traveling like that.

965
00:55:19.159 --> 00:55:23.960
<v Speaker 1>But I you know, I'm I'm kind of excited for

966
00:55:24.000 --> 00:55:26.199
<v Speaker 1>what that new world is going to be for me.

967
00:55:26.239 --> 00:55:28.599
<v Speaker 1>So I think we're both going through different versions of

968
00:55:29.039 --> 00:55:29.840
<v Speaker 1>similar stuff.

969
00:55:30.400 --> 00:55:33.199
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Yeah. Oh and one one more thing that I

970
00:55:33.280 --> 00:55:39.079
<v Speaker 2>do do my daily routine. I also have now started

971
00:55:39.159 --> 00:55:40.840
<v Speaker 2>not only do I do my stretching and yoga in

972
00:55:40.880 --> 00:55:42.840
<v Speaker 2>the morning, I do it before I go to bed.

973
00:55:44.000 --> 00:55:44.719
<v Speaker 1>That's smart.

974
00:55:45.000 --> 00:55:49.039
<v Speaker 2>Oh my god, is that helped my sleep? Because that's

975
00:55:49.079 --> 00:55:49.840
<v Speaker 2>been tough.

976
00:55:50.920 --> 00:55:53.039
<v Speaker 1>You know who is a big advocate of that. No,

977
00:55:54.239 --> 00:55:59.239
<v Speaker 1>Ricky Henderson. Really he stretched before he went to bed

978
00:55:59.239 --> 00:56:03.639
<v Speaker 1>because he said he will couple lose WHOA.

979
00:56:06.559 --> 00:56:07.119
<v Speaker 2>I didn't know.

980
00:56:07.199 --> 00:56:10.719
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, isn't that wild? But I've I've actually and I've

981
00:56:10.800 --> 00:56:17.239
<v Speaker 1>done I've been just Ricky being Ricky, Ricky.

982
00:56:16.960 --> 00:56:20.239
<v Speaker 2>Being Ricky man. Oh god, so many stories, you know,

983
00:56:20.320 --> 00:56:23.320
<v Speaker 2>It's so interesting because I don't know why I just

984
00:56:23.360 --> 00:56:27.000
<v Speaker 2>got jones to look at this, but episode five hundred

985
00:56:28.760 --> 00:56:32.719
<v Speaker 2>was on my sixtieth birthday. Oh really yeah, it was

986
00:56:32.719 --> 00:56:34.719
<v Speaker 2>published on my sixtieth birthday.

987
00:56:35.039 --> 00:56:38.000
<v Speaker 1>And who wasn't uh.

988
00:56:37.400 --> 00:56:41.239
<v Speaker 2>Richard Cessna and the goal and the it was golf's

989
00:56:41.320 --> 00:56:46.119
<v Speaker 2>ultimate goal, shooting your age or lower, which interesting I'm

990
00:56:46.119 --> 00:56:48.199
<v Speaker 2>just looking at that now. But which is interesting about

991
00:56:48.199 --> 00:56:52.599
<v Speaker 2>that is that one of the goals I've set for myself.

992
00:56:53.119 --> 00:56:55.800
<v Speaker 2>I think there are three golf goals in life, and

993
00:56:55.880 --> 00:56:58.519
<v Speaker 2>one is a hole in one, two is going to

994
00:56:58.559 --> 00:57:00.960
<v Speaker 2>the Masters, and three shooting your age.

995
00:57:01.519 --> 00:57:01.800
<v Speaker 1>Right.

996
00:57:02.000 --> 00:57:04.480
<v Speaker 2>So I've done the first two, only one hole in one,

997
00:57:04.719 --> 00:57:08.760
<v Speaker 2>only one appearance to the Masters last year, and maybe

998
00:57:08.760 --> 00:57:12.920
<v Speaker 2>never again, but hopefully Chet if you're listening, I'll go anytime.

999
00:57:13.559 --> 00:57:18.119
<v Speaker 2>And then the third one is I want to This

1000
00:57:18.159 --> 00:57:21.239
<v Speaker 2>is why I'm taking lessons from Jim Waldron is I

1001
00:57:21.280 --> 00:57:23.079
<v Speaker 2>want to be able to shoot my age before I

1002
00:57:23.119 --> 00:57:28.639
<v Speaker 2>turn seventy six. I've shot, I've shot pre below seventy

1003
00:57:28.679 --> 00:57:32.639
<v Speaker 2>five a couple of times, so I know I can

1004
00:57:32.719 --> 00:57:33.079
<v Speaker 2>do this.

1005
00:57:33.800 --> 00:57:37.639
<v Speaker 1>I want to shoot that's that would be a great achievement.

1006
00:57:37.760 --> 00:57:40.360
<v Speaker 1>I mean that, I mean I mean, I I because

1007
00:57:40.360 --> 00:57:45.199
<v Speaker 1>it's just you know, it's it's funny like it. First

1008
00:57:45.199 --> 00:57:48.480
<v Speaker 1>of all, I'm sure you will be able to do it.

1009
00:57:48.719 --> 00:57:50.280
<v Speaker 2>You know, I'll come back and report it.

1010
00:57:50.360 --> 00:57:55.360
<v Speaker 1>Damn. Yeah. But it's so you know, it's for me.

1011
00:57:55.440 --> 00:57:58.079
<v Speaker 1>The main challenge with that is always when you're playing

1012
00:57:58.119 --> 00:58:01.760
<v Speaker 1>so well, not thinking about how well you're playing, you know,

1013
00:58:01.840 --> 00:58:04.000
<v Speaker 1>and not going off the rails because you're like, oh

1014
00:58:04.039 --> 00:58:05.239
<v Speaker 1>my god, I just part of the first.

1015
00:58:05.639 --> 00:58:09.320
<v Speaker 2>To score a card. Just be surprised at the end.

1016
00:58:09.360 --> 00:58:09.920
<v Speaker 2>Don't look at that.

1017
00:58:10.000 --> 00:58:13.280
<v Speaker 1>Yes, yeah, exactly. Well that's a good goal. I like it.

1018
00:58:13.360 --> 00:58:16.360
<v Speaker 1>I It's gonna be a little while. I don't think

1019
00:58:16.360 --> 00:58:18.519
<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna be shooting any fifty nine anytime since.

1020
00:58:27.119 --> 00:58:30.960
<v Speaker 2>So, okay, but your show go.

1021
00:58:31.480 --> 00:58:35.840
<v Speaker 1>Now I'm taking over. This is not yet, yeah, I know.

1022
00:58:36.400 --> 00:58:38.840
<v Speaker 1>So So for you know, if you've done a thousand

1023
00:58:38.960 --> 00:58:42.000
<v Speaker 1>plus of these interviews, and I know Tony Manzoni was

1024
00:58:42.199 --> 00:58:44.840
<v Speaker 1>you know, is incredibly popular, but who's and I know

1025
00:58:44.960 --> 00:58:49.519
<v Speaker 1>Jim Nance was a big, you know, huge thing for you.

1026
00:58:49.519 --> 00:58:52.239
<v Speaker 1>You know what, I guess who's the most fun interview

1027
00:58:52.239 --> 00:58:58.039
<v Speaker 1>you've ever had? And what was the most unexpected interview

1028
00:58:58.519 --> 00:59:00.480
<v Speaker 1>you've had with somebody? What you know, where you just

1029
00:59:00.519 --> 00:59:04.760
<v Speaker 1>were like, it went completely differently than you ever thought

1030
00:59:04.800 --> 00:59:05.119
<v Speaker 1>it would.

1031
00:59:07.199 --> 00:59:09.519
<v Speaker 2>Oh God, there's a long list of like when people

1032
00:59:09.639 --> 00:59:13.000
<v Speaker 2>like and people has always always asked me, Oh, you're

1033
00:59:13.000 --> 00:59:16.440
<v Speaker 2>a new podcast, who is your favorite interview? Well, now

1034
00:59:16.480 --> 00:59:19.760
<v Speaker 2>I can go jim Nantz. Bump done. Oh that's a

1035
00:59:19.840 --> 00:59:24.920
<v Speaker 2>get Oh good job jim Nantz. But I've always loved

1036
00:59:25.000 --> 00:59:28.480
<v Speaker 2>the crazy stories. And there's a couple that always jumped

1037
00:59:28.480 --> 00:59:31.840
<v Speaker 2>out to me. There was one the young man who

1038
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<v Speaker 2>snuck into North Korea to play in the North Korean Open.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh is the kid?

1040
00:59:40.400 --> 00:59:46.639
<v Speaker 2>So wow, yeah, I'll find it. Let's see from Korea

1041
00:59:49.360 --> 01:00:00.079
<v Speaker 2>and oh wait, that's not what I meant to do. Fine, okay,

1042
01:00:00.840 --> 01:00:07.159
<v Speaker 2>so this young man this was no, not him, I'm

1043
01:00:07.159 --> 01:00:15.079
<v Speaker 2>gonna find it and nope and nope. Come on, did

1044
01:00:15.119 --> 01:00:17.400
<v Speaker 2>I really mention Korea that many times in this show?

1045
01:00:19.440 --> 01:00:25.559
<v Speaker 2>Justin Crybec? Okay, so this was in twenty fourteen. Justin Crybec,

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01:00:25.599 --> 01:00:27.920
<v Speaker 2>who was in his mid twenties, a time he had

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01:00:28.639 --> 01:00:31.880
<v Speaker 2>dual citizenships, so he had a European and an American passport,

1048
01:00:32.360 --> 01:00:34.519
<v Speaker 2>and he loved golf, but he knew he was not

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01:00:34.559 --> 01:00:36.559
<v Speaker 2>good enough to play in a national open. But really

1050
01:00:36.599 --> 01:00:40.599
<v Speaker 2>wanted to play in the National Open, and so he

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01:00:41.079 --> 01:00:45.800
<v Speaker 2>was able to use his other passport. He lived in

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01:00:45.840 --> 01:00:49.599
<v Speaker 2>San Francisco in the Financial District, and he snuck into

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01:00:49.599 --> 01:00:52.320
<v Speaker 2>North Korea and tells this whole story about how he

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01:00:52.360 --> 01:00:56.000
<v Speaker 2>played the North Korean Open. Wow, and he had crazy

1055
01:00:56.079 --> 01:01:00.760
<v Speaker 2>stories about like they told him don't look, don't you

1056
01:01:00.760 --> 01:01:03.440
<v Speaker 2>can take pictures except for like holes four, five and

1057
01:01:03.519 --> 01:01:06.559
<v Speaker 2>six or something, And he's like, why they said, just

1058
01:01:06.679 --> 01:01:09.800
<v Speaker 2>don't take pictures on those holes. And he remembers walking

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01:01:09.840 --> 01:01:11.639
<v Speaker 2>down the fairway and there was somebody in the bushes

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01:01:11.679 --> 01:01:13.039
<v Speaker 2>with binoculars watching them.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my god.

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01:01:14.760 --> 01:01:19.119
<v Speaker 2>And then and the other great story was how after

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01:01:19.159 --> 01:01:20.800
<v Speaker 2>one of the rounds, he went to his room and

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01:01:21.760 --> 01:01:24.800
<v Speaker 2>went to get something out of his safe and he

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01:01:24.800 --> 01:01:28.119
<v Speaker 2>couldn't open it. The combination to change and he had

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01:01:28.119 --> 01:01:31.639
<v Speaker 2>stuff in his safe. So he went to his handler

1067
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<v Speaker 2>and it's a great episode. It was a great episode.

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<v Speaker 2>This was when it was the nineteen twenty sixteen. In

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01:01:39.559 --> 01:01:44.679
<v Speaker 2>September twenty sixteen, episode five poin fifty eight. He went

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01:01:44.719 --> 01:01:46.960
<v Speaker 2>to his handler and said, Hey, I can't get into

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01:01:47.000 --> 01:01:50.199
<v Speaker 2>my safe to get stuff out, and she said, what

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01:01:50.280 --> 01:01:54.320
<v Speaker 2>are you hiding. He's like what goes, Why do you

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01:01:54.360 --> 01:01:55.800
<v Speaker 2>have to put things in a safe? What are you

1074
01:01:55.880 --> 01:01:58.800
<v Speaker 2>hiding right? And he's like, oh no, no, no, no.

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01:01:58.960 --> 01:02:02.440
<v Speaker 2>In the United States, well like people steal things out

1076
01:02:02.440 --> 01:02:04.719
<v Speaker 2>of hotel room, so we put things in the safe

1077
01:02:04.760 --> 01:02:06.599
<v Speaker 2>just to make sure he doesn't get stolen. She goes,

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01:02:06.960 --> 01:02:08.679
<v Speaker 2>good answer, I'll get someone to open it for you.

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01:02:09.400 --> 01:02:10.599
<v Speaker 1>Oh wow.

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<v Speaker 2>So going into the final round, he was like two

1081
01:02:14.880 --> 01:02:18.239
<v Speaker 2>shots back of the lead. Get up, and he got

1082
01:02:18.280 --> 01:02:21.519
<v Speaker 2>to the eighteenth hole and kind of panicked because he

1083
01:02:21.559 --> 01:02:25.679
<v Speaker 2>didn't want to win, and so he got He had

1084
01:02:25.719 --> 01:02:28.039
<v Speaker 2>a snowman on a par four in the eighteenth hole,

1085
01:02:29.519 --> 01:02:31.880
<v Speaker 2>and so he was able to go home. And then

1086
01:02:31.920 --> 01:02:35.320
<v Speaker 2>he went home and he went back to San Francisco

1087
01:02:35.360 --> 01:02:38.119
<v Speaker 2>and went back to work, and so like here we

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01:02:38.159 --> 01:02:40.320
<v Speaker 2>talked about it. He did this in twenty fourteen. I'm

1089
01:02:40.360 --> 01:02:43.599
<v Speaker 2>talking to him in twenty sixteen and I said, so,

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01:02:44.519 --> 01:02:47.800
<v Speaker 2>how come I couldn't find any articles about this anywhere?

1091
01:02:48.119 --> 01:02:50.679
<v Speaker 2>And he goes, huh. I said, did you have have

1092
01:02:50.719 --> 01:02:52.400
<v Speaker 2>you ever talked to the press about this? And he

1093
01:02:52.440 --> 01:02:55.199
<v Speaker 2>went no, No. I got home, went back to work.

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01:02:55.239 --> 01:02:57.559
<v Speaker 2>I'm like, wait a minute, I'm breaking this story. This

1095
01:02:57.639 --> 01:03:00.000
<v Speaker 2>is the first time the story's being told. He goes, right,

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01:03:00.400 --> 01:03:03.559
<v Speaker 2>I'm like, whoa, okay, an exclusive for goals?

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01:03:04.320 --> 01:03:07.840
<v Speaker 1>Yeah right, no, god, that's that's one of my favorites.

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01:03:07.880 --> 01:03:11.840
<v Speaker 1>That's wild. That's an amazing I like. And then just

1099
01:03:11.880 --> 01:03:15.239
<v Speaker 1>to go back to your normal life. Yeah, exactly, it's

1100
01:03:15.239 --> 01:03:16.320
<v Speaker 1>always fascinating to me.

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01:03:17.079 --> 01:03:24.400
<v Speaker 2>Then there was the insurance salesman. Uh oh boy, yeah, no,

1102
01:03:24.480 --> 01:03:28.280
<v Speaker 2>it's not going to be never mind about that. I

1103
01:03:28.320 --> 01:03:30.760
<v Speaker 2>can't find it. An insurance salesman who was having a

1104
01:03:30.760 --> 01:03:34.199
<v Speaker 2>great round playing with some buddies and he's in his

1105
01:03:34.239 --> 01:03:37.920
<v Speaker 2>mid sixties, early sixties, and one of the guys he

1106
01:03:37.960 --> 01:03:40.079
<v Speaker 2>was playing with he didn't know the fourth he was

1107
01:03:40.119 --> 01:03:43.079
<v Speaker 2>new to him, said to him, doing a great day.

1108
01:03:43.079 --> 01:03:45.440
<v Speaker 2>He goes, yeah, I'm really playing well today. He goes,

1109
01:03:45.920 --> 01:03:48.039
<v Speaker 2>did you play in college? He goes, no, No, I

1110
01:03:48.079 --> 01:03:51.920
<v Speaker 2>played baseball. He said, do you still have eligibility? And

1111
01:03:51.960 --> 01:03:55.079
<v Speaker 2>he said, actually, I think I do because when I

1112
01:03:55.079 --> 01:03:57.760
<v Speaker 2>played baseball in college, I got injured and never went back,

1113
01:03:58.480 --> 01:04:00.519
<v Speaker 2>so I guess I'd still be eligible. He goes, you

1114
01:04:00.519 --> 01:04:03.559
<v Speaker 2>want to be on our college golf team? What he says,

1115
01:04:03.760 --> 01:04:07.440
<v Speaker 2>I'm the coach of the community college here and we

1116
01:04:07.559 --> 01:04:09.320
<v Speaker 2>have a space open and would love to have you

1117
01:04:09.400 --> 01:04:12.719
<v Speaker 2>join the team. And he's like, okay, But what he

1118
01:04:12.760 --> 01:04:15.480
<v Speaker 2>didn't realize is he had to go to class right

1119
01:04:15.599 --> 01:04:20.199
<v Speaker 2>to take classes. And then one time it's a community college, right,

1120
01:04:20.519 --> 01:04:24.000
<v Speaker 2>So one time he went to they were on a

1121
01:04:24.079 --> 01:04:26.760
<v Speaker 2>road trip and he knocked on the door of one

1122
01:04:26.800 --> 01:04:29.079
<v Speaker 2>of his teammates and said, Hey, I'm gonna go grab

1123
01:04:29.119 --> 01:04:31.159
<v Speaker 2>a beer. You want to come with me and goes,

1124
01:04:31.360 --> 01:04:35.440
<v Speaker 2>I'm not old enough to drink, and I got homework

1125
01:04:35.480 --> 01:04:37.960
<v Speaker 2>to do. I kind of study. He's like, oh god,

1126
01:04:38.039 --> 01:04:41.239
<v Speaker 2>what am I doing here? So those are two stories

1127
01:04:41.280 --> 01:04:44.920
<v Speaker 2>that stand out as favorites. But then the multiple conversations

1128
01:04:44.920 --> 01:04:50.239
<v Speaker 2>with doctor Bob Jones about his grandfather have always been

1129
01:04:50.639 --> 01:04:53.679
<v Speaker 2>really special for me, and that's why we always show

1130
01:04:54.079 --> 01:04:58.039
<v Speaker 2>aired them on the on the week of the Masters.

1131
01:04:58.119 --> 01:05:01.360
<v Speaker 2>We're not doing it this year. He's I spoke to

1132
01:05:01.400 --> 01:05:05.400
<v Speaker 2>him recently. He had some heart issues, but he's better

1133
01:05:05.480 --> 01:05:08.960
<v Speaker 2>now and he's very interested in talking to you. Josh.

1134
01:05:09.119 --> 01:05:12.360
<v Speaker 1>Oh great. Well, that's as we discussed the other day.

1135
01:05:12.400 --> 01:05:14.679
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I'm I'm I've been dying to talk to

1136
01:05:14.719 --> 01:05:16.840
<v Speaker 1>somebody who can talk to me about Bobby Jones because

1137
01:05:16.880 --> 01:05:19.639
<v Speaker 1>that is I watch I have you ever seen the

1138
01:05:19.719 --> 01:05:23.440
<v Speaker 1>videos of him, the movies he made for Disney. Yes,

1139
01:05:23.719 --> 01:05:26.599
<v Speaker 1>those are incredible, Like and you see.

1140
01:05:26.360 --> 01:05:28.880
<v Speaker 2>How what a special man he was.

1141
01:05:28.840 --> 01:05:33.880
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, and you just the beauty of how he moved,

1142
01:05:34.159 --> 01:05:37.519
<v Speaker 1>you know, swinging at golf club, you know, and you're

1143
01:05:37.599 --> 01:05:40.239
<v Speaker 1>just like wow, like look at you know, and you

1144
01:05:40.280 --> 01:05:43.880
<v Speaker 1>know the last great amateur, right, you know, the last right?

1145
01:05:46.440 --> 01:05:49.960
<v Speaker 2>So all right, So anything else.

1146
01:05:50.480 --> 01:05:53.199
<v Speaker 1>No, sir, I have other questions, but I think our

1147
01:05:53.239 --> 01:05:54.920
<v Speaker 1>time is probably all right.

1148
01:05:55.320 --> 01:05:57.559
<v Speaker 2>Then listen, then this is what we're gonna do. We'll

1149
01:05:57.599 --> 01:06:02.320
<v Speaker 2>be back next week. This Friday will be let's see

1150
01:06:02.360 --> 01:06:06.000
<v Speaker 2>this Friday, is that gonna be another We all done

1151
01:06:06.039 --> 01:06:08.199
<v Speaker 2>with Tony Manzoni. I think we're all done with the

1152
01:06:08.239 --> 01:06:12.960
<v Speaker 2>Tony Manzoni episodes for twenty twenty six, which are always phenomenal.

1153
01:06:13.639 --> 01:06:25.280
<v Speaker 2>And yeah, yes, next week, oh, next week's episode on

1154
01:06:25.360 --> 01:06:30.119
<v Speaker 2>Mulligan's or this week's episode Mulligan's is going to be

1155
01:06:30.199 --> 01:06:32.440
<v Speaker 2>the time that I played in a pro am for

1156
01:06:32.519 --> 01:06:36.119
<v Speaker 2>a web dot com event. Okay, lay, I played with

1157
01:06:36.159 --> 01:06:38.559
<v Speaker 2>Adam Long and I brought a recorder with me and

1158
01:06:38.559 --> 01:06:41.559
<v Speaker 2>I interviewed Adam during the round. So we're gonna get

1159
01:06:41.559 --> 01:06:46.599
<v Speaker 2>to hear Adam my conversation along who who. My favorite

1160
01:06:46.599 --> 01:06:49.679
<v Speaker 2>thing about Adam Long was his at the time, his

1161
01:06:49.800 --> 01:06:58.239
<v Speaker 2>Twitter handle, which was a long shot at along And

1162
01:06:58.320 --> 01:07:00.480
<v Speaker 2>so yeah, we're gonna play that. And then the following

1163
01:07:00.519 --> 01:07:03.800
<v Speaker 2>week I'll be back with doctor Greg Steinberg from episode

1164
01:07:03.840 --> 01:07:07.199
<v Speaker 2>four hundred and ninety nine, which was golf is one

1165
01:07:07.239 --> 01:07:12.280
<v Speaker 2>hundred percent mental and one hundred percent physical, so very interesting.

1166
01:07:12.440 --> 01:07:15.199
<v Speaker 2>But next week you and I will be back and

1167
01:07:15.280 --> 01:07:18.639
<v Speaker 2>we'll have Jim Waldron on and Jim and I will

1168
01:07:19.599 --> 01:07:23.719
<v Speaker 2>start the conversation by going over my latest lesson with Jim.

1169
01:07:23.760 --> 01:07:24.800
<v Speaker 2>You'll get to hear one.

1170
01:07:24.679 --> 01:07:28.159
<v Speaker 1>Of that I'm looking forward to. I remember my lessons

1171
01:07:28.159 --> 01:07:30.119
<v Speaker 1>with Jim. They were a trip.

1172
01:07:30.440 --> 01:07:33.039
<v Speaker 2>He always starts with you got a great swing, you're

1173
01:07:33.079 --> 01:07:37.679
<v Speaker 2>doing great, but here's your problem. He builds me up

1174
01:07:37.719 --> 01:07:40.039
<v Speaker 2>really well, and then he goes, yeah, but you're just

1175
01:07:40.119 --> 01:07:43.000
<v Speaker 2>not making any progress at all. So I'm working very hard.

1176
01:07:43.000 --> 01:07:45.800
<v Speaker 2>So we're gonna get my golf lesson with Jim Waldron

1177
01:07:45.880 --> 01:07:49.239
<v Speaker 2>and then the second half of that conversation you'll take

1178
01:07:49.280 --> 01:07:51.800
<v Speaker 2>over and do your thing, and then from that point on,

1179
01:07:51.960 --> 01:07:55.840
<v Speaker 2>it's Golf Smart with Josh Carp. Well.

1180
01:07:55.880 --> 01:07:58.280
<v Speaker 1>I can't wait and thank you again. This has been

1181
01:07:58.320 --> 01:08:01.639
<v Speaker 1>really fun and I'm really looking forward to doing this

1182
01:08:01.800 --> 01:08:05.760
<v Speaker 1>and to you remaining around as founder. As we discussed

1183
01:08:05.800 --> 01:08:09.960
<v Speaker 1>earlier that the ule Golf Smarter founder Fred Green, So

1184
01:08:11.119 --> 01:08:12.679
<v Speaker 1>thank you for having me on and thank you for

1185
01:08:12.679 --> 01:08:14.960
<v Speaker 1>giving me the opportunity to take over the show.

1186
01:08:15.480 --> 01:08:16.319
<v Speaker 2>You very welcome