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Speaker 1: Welcome to the KTPF Reload Show. In case you're wondering

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what the Reload Show is about if you haven't heard

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previous shows, these are the interviews that were conducted by

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a good friends of mine, Steven Sue Tagget in the

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days of the KTPF radio show. They're on radio show

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around for just over four years, broadcasting every week for

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over the three hours. I joined them in the last

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eighteen months of the show's run, but eventually the guys

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felt they've just about had enough. It was a monumental

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effort to keep broadcasting every week for three hours. It

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was a wonderful show, but unfortunately they are longer involved

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and the shows have just sort of sat in the archives.

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So I thought it would be nice to bring them

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back to life and bringing you the interviews that the

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guy has conducted over those four years and include some

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of the most interesting people within the world of the

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paranormal and some not so well but nevertheless still very interesting.

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We even have one or two rather unusual shows, including

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a live salance and other things along those lines. Anyway,

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hopefully you enjoy tonight's show, and this is the KTPF

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for Reload Show.

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Speaker 2: Enjoy This program deals with themes of an adult nature

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and is intended for a mature audience.

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Speaker 3: You're in the right place, online, on the web and

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on air all over the world talk radio.

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Speaker 1: You hear us, We hear you.

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Speaker 4: Gooda and ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to another edition

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of the KTPF Community Talk Show, Live from Manchester.

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Speaker 1: In.

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Speaker 4: My name is Suzanne Steve in Essex, and we are

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here keeping the paranormal friendly each and every Sunday. So

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put up a chair and relax with us while we

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bring you a show full of the supernatural, the paranormal

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and others nge phenomena. Right, so, what's on tonight's show?

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Andrew Collins. Collins is a renowned research researcher and author.

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As a teenager, he became a UFO investigator and in

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nineteen seventy seven he investigated the first ever missing time

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abduction case reboarded in the UK, and that investigation changed

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his life. He became a journalist with the magazine Strange

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Phenomena and openly sought to sort the help of psychics

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in an attempt to better understand the relationship between UFOs,

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prehistoric sites, Earth energies and the human mind. He wrote

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The Black Alchemist in nineteen eighty eight.

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Speaker 5: Did you say, Andy, Oh, yeah, right, Okay. I don't

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know why, but it wasn't there, which is a real

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encounter of terrifying true events. The Nightmare began and Collins

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and a friend, Bernard G visited a secluded churchyard on

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the Sussex Downs of southern East England as part of

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a psychic quest. They are looking for an ancient Egyptian treasure,

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a golden staff known as the Stave of Nizzar, brought

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to England at the time of the Crusades. Yet instead

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of finding a long lost Egyptian relic, they uncover a

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stone spearhead inscribed with magical symbols. Through further investigation, they

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discover it has been concealed as part of a dark

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occult ritual by a character they dub the Black Alchemist.

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As a science and history writer, he has authored a

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variety of books that challenge the way we perceive the past,

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including his latest book gobecle Tepe, Genesis of the Gods,

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The Temple of the World, and The Discovery of Eden,

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which we will talk also talk about later on tonight.

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Speaker 4: Hello, Hello, you're right there. Andrew. Can I call you

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Andrew so I don't get you mixed up with Andy? Yes,

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of course, call me what you like, Okay, late for dinner?

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 4: First of all, I just want to say thank you

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for giving us your time. Okay. Now, first of all,

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I need to find out a little bit about yourself.

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How did you first become involved in the paranormal.

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Speaker 6: Well, I didn't sort of get involved. I mean I

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was interested in it right from a young age. I mean,

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I you know, I thought all the kids in the

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street were interested in the paranormal, interested in ghosts, in UFOs,

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in into dreams, astro projection, dream interpretation. And I was

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getting books out by people like Sigmund Freud and others

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you know, the mechanics of the universe basically, and you know,

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who we were, where we came from, how we connect

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with everything. And I thought everybody else was interested in

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this as well. And it wasn't until I got to

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high school really that I realized that I was on

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my own, and that, you know, I had one or

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two close mates that shared these interests, but otherwise, you

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know that I was you know, out there and doing

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my own thing, and that was that. And then for

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that I started to read dozens of pulp paperbacks, mostly

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on UFOs and ancient astronauts, and this greatly changed into

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the paranormal and witchcraft and the occol and I started

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to investigate the subject alongside my work with UFO cases,

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which at first I thought was a clear cut case of,

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you know, of alien spacecraft coming down here from another

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planet and interacting with us and then going.

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Speaker 6: But I realized eventually that this wasn't the case at all,

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and that most of the absolute close encounters, you know,

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the genuine sightings or experiences, were generally done by people

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who had psychic abilities and also seemed to have various

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physiological and psychological traits in common with each other. And

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also I began to realize that people that experienced UFOs

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also had a high incidence of poltergeist cases in connection

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with them. And at the same time I met for

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the first time a colleague and friend by the name

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of Graham Phillips who was working on the other side.

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into poltergeist cases, and he had become baffled by the

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fact that many witnesses of poltergeist also would see balls

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of light, both inside their homes and outside in the

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environment around them, and he wondered what the possible link

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could be between the two. So we pulled our resources

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together and came up with something called the psygenic theory.

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that are prone to all types of paranormal phenomena, including

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close encounters with UFOs and the witnesses of balls of light,

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and that somehow this is to do with their genetic background,

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their different traits that they share in common with each other,

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possibly even connected with ancestry, you know, where their roots

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might be. And this was something we developed and we

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published originally in a magazine called Strange Phenomena, and this

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what this did was to put out the idea that

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we wanted to work with psychics and that if they

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had strange dreams or visions, that they could log them

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with us, particularly if they were prophetic and related to

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future events, and we would say, yes, this person you

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know had this dream and they logged it with us,

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and this built this allowed us to build up this

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this link with people that you know that experienced this

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type of phenomena. But what gradually happened is that we

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started to see patterns forming that people would start often

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having the same type of a vision at the same time,

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you know, I mean, possibly in different parts of the country.

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And on one particular occasion, people started to say that

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we at this magazine strange phenomena had some kind of

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destiny and that you know, it wasn't by chance that

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we were doing this magazine. And then some people close

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to us, psychic people close to us connected with the magazine,

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started seeing this small green jewel, which we started referring

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to us as the green Stone, and felt that this

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was a historical object connected with, amongst other people, the

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Knights Templar and the gunpowder plotters and the Rosicrucians of

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the early seventeenth century, and that somehow it had been

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concealed in the landscape around Worcestershire. I mean, I won't

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going to how we work that out. But so we

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started doing some historical research into the homes of the

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gunpowder plotters looking for clues, and we felt we'd found

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a possible location called the Knight's Poll, which is very

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near Woocester, And we were just about to leave there

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and one of the psychics that was coming up with

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this information about the Green Stone, guy by the name

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of Alan Beard, wrang us up and said, you know,

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weren't spoke to him for a few days, and we said.

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He said, I think you found the right place, but

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you're going to find a sword first, and the sword

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will lead you to this stone. So this was news

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to us. I mean, some of the clues seemed to

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relate to King Arthur and the knights at around table.

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we started to dismantle part of a dry stone walling

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that was acting as the foundations of a footbridge, and

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we came across this this this was right on the

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edge of the water, and you know, all we could

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do was just take these blocks of stone and just

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drop them into the water. As we were dismantling virtually

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this bridge, and we came across this cavity inside which

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was this short sword that was covered in this type

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of resin, and we got it back to our home,

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which at that time was in Wolverhampton, and found that

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there was an inscription on the blade that read mio

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which was, you know, very Elizabethan in style, and we

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didn't really understand that. We thought that the Mary possibly

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could relate to Mary, Queen of Scott's who'd been bit

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of a rallying point for the gunpowder plotters before her

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death in fifteen eighty seven. But anyway, catalog story as shult,

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we continued the quest and eventually found this greenstone inside

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this brass casket which was of seventeenth century origin, not

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far away from where we found the sword, and yeah,

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this really kickstarted everything, both for me and for Graham Phillips.

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We both went on to become historical writers and much

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a lot of what happened as far back as nineteen

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seventy nine, and even today. All of my books really

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are inspired by some kind of dream or vision which

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either myself or one of my colleagues may have experienced,

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and that drives me to look for new answers, to

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review our understanding of the past, you know, our origins basically,

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and that's, you know, how I came to be a

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writer and an author. And obviously since then I've done

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about fifteen books. So that's how it all started.

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Speaker 4: Well, we've got plenty of questions for you, Andrew, so

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I hope you're okay for time, And basically I just

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want to ask you've written books on psychic questions. For

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those of that don't know about psychic questions, can you

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tell us what it actually is and how you first

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discovered the idea?

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Speaker 6: Well, I mean, to be honest, it really followed on

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from the story that I've just given you, the finding

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of the Sword and the Stone, because for a couple

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of years we did nothing with the story at all,

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taking us into the early nineteen eighties, and then finally

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you know, obviously after the objects that were found, and

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this came out I think in nineteen eighty two or three,

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and then Grab Phillips writing with another guy called Martin Keatman,

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Rokees their version of the story, which was called Greenstone.

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the subject of the paranormal about these stories that we

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this subject and the idea that you could use the

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mind to find hidden artifacts, and that this wasn't something

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that we've made up on the spur of the moment.

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in Europe, but also it was found within classical times,

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you know, sort of heroes having visions of the gods

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and going to find their armor or their swords, and

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even within Tibetan Buddhism, the idea that certain types of

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monks known as turtans treasure finders, would have these visions

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of artifacts, and they would put together a train of

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you know, sherpas and animals and things, and they would

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and know that they would either be able to dig

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which is basically a hidden treasure, or they could actually

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pull them out of thin air, you know, out of fire,

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out of water, or even you know, yank the hand

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and they genuinely believe that they could do this. And

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Speaker 3: That this so called Urma tradition is real.

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Speaker 6: And there are so many parallels between that and what

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we call psychic questing. The psychic questing is essentially using

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psychic information towards some kind of goal, whether that be

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kind of historical enigma, or the uncovering perhaps of a

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landscape mystery perhaps you know, some sort of landscape geometry,

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or finding of a previously unknown you know, stone circle

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or ancient site. And the way that I use it today,

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which is I work with my psychic friends to investigate

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the mysteries of the past. You know, they will have visions,

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dreams that may go back as far as what they

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can tell thirty thousand years, possibly forty thousand years, and

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see activities that were going on in different parts of

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the world that help us to better understand some of

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the archaeological evidence. Now, of course, none of this can

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be actually used as evidence of what the ancients.

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Speaker 3: Were up to.

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Speaker 6: But for me, it gives me an idea of which

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direction my investigations should go. What areas of the world

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I should be looking at, what time periods, what links

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between different cultures. And although you won't see a lot

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of that in my books, they're all based on sound

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historical research, readers, you know, need to be aware that

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somewhere in the background was some dream of vision that

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helped push me in that direction in the first place.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, Now, on the subject of one of your books,

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The Black Alchemist, can you briefly outline the story for us?

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Speaker 6: Well, this began in nineteen eighty five and I was

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working with arguably one of the most talented psychics I've

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ever had the privilege to know, and his name was Bernard.

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He lived in Essex, and I met him, I think

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in nineteen eighty three or eighty four originally, and we

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were both working on the same village, which was Danbury

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in Essex, a medieval place associated with the family of

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the Saint Clair's or the Sinclair's, who were up to

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their next mystical mischief, connected with Rendless Chateau connected with

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Roslin Chapel in Scotland, and we were both investigating that

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and one particular day he wrote to me and he said,

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I had a very strange dream last night about Danbury

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Church and about a funeral that had gone on there

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in connection with one of the Sinclair Knights. And he

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outlined this dream and it was so vivid with you,

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complete with the hereldic devices of some of the figures

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that were there, that it allowed me to piece together

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exactly who was buried where in Danbury Church during the

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thirteenth century. And we started working together on a number

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of what we call psychic quests, and in nineteen eighty

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five he started to pick up information about this Egyptian

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treasure which he felt had been brought across to Britain

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at the time of the Crusades, possibly via France. It

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gone to somebody in France and from France it had

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come across to Britain, and that it was a staff,

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a ceremonial staff, possibly with a It was either gold

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or gold covered, and it had a serpent or snake

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curling around it with its head over the top. I

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mean it looked like something you know that you might

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find in Tuton Carmoun's too, and the feeling was that

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it did date back to you know, maybe the age

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of Teuton, Carmuhn or whatever. But it had been it

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had been confiscated from a Muslim, you know, at the

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time of the Fall of Jerusalem, which was about ten

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ninety eight if I remember rightly, and you know, it

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had been brought back, as you know, bounty booty, whatever

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term it it is, to this country and was around somewhere,

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and he started picking up information about some sites in

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East Sussex, in particular the area around the long Man

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of Wilmington, which is a very famous geoglyph on the

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landscape there of a figure holding two vertical poles. And

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we went down to the area and we were drawn

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to this small, tiny, tiny church, a place called Lullington,

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where we felt that we were going to get clues

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relating to this object, which was being referred to as

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the Stave of Nasea. Nazia was a caliph in Egypt

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just before the time of the First Crusade, and it

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would seem that the object had been in his possession,

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hence its name, and so we were looking for clues

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there and Bernard almost immediately we got there, said there's

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something not right about this place. He said, I feel that,

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in his words, black magic has gone on here. And

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I thought, well, well, that's got nothing to do with

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what we're here for. Just ignore it sort of thing.

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Speaker 3: But he sat.

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Speaker 6: Down, and as I explored trying to look for some clue,

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he kept focusing on a clump of old foundations, just

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a tiny block of stone in the middle of the churchyard,

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and felt that drawn towards it, and started scraping around

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in the soil at the base of it, and found

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this spearhead made of stone. It was natural, but on

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it were a large number of occult symbols which we

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didn't recognize at that time, and finding this object made

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him very ill. I mean, we went away from the

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side of it. We stopped he was sick. He was sick,

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and we you know, we stopped off at Wilmington Priory,

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within sight of the long Man of Wilmington. And you know,

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I felt that clearly our questifying the statement my ear

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was over and that you know, we couldn't go on.

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Speaker 3: So we went home.

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Speaker 6: And what happened after this was that Bernard started to

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pick up information about the character the person that had

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left this stone spearhead in the churchyard at Luntington. He

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saw his house, he saw some of the rituals that

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he was doing. He saw that he was quite clearly

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into alchemy, and not just any old alchemy, alchemy that

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went back to the very foundations of alchemy in Greco

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Roman times, probably fourth about third fourth century a d.

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And that this guy was dangerous. He was not only

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to himself, but that he was messing around with sights

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and energies that could be dangerous not only for himself

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but others. And we started to investigate some of these

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sites and found evidence of activity. But the disturbing fact

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was I seemed to be getting closer and closer towards

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my own well now both both our own home county

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of Essex, and they started taking place in Essex. And

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what became clear is the person who we started to

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dub the Black Alchemist, was looking for us. He knew

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that somebody was interfering with his work and was now

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looking for us, possibly to try and to stop ours,

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but also perhaps that he saw us in some way

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as playing some fatalistic role in his own practice of

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trying to achieve some kind of warped immortality, and what

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followed was a series of what I call cat' and

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mouse confrontations, where this guy's trying to get to us,

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and we're trying to put a stop to his activities,

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particularly the activities around our own area of Midt to

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southeast Essex. And what coincided with all of this was

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the hurricane of nineteen eighty seven, and it seemed as

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if the Black Alchemist was using this as some kind

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of what we call distillation magic. In other words, he

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was drawing the energies, the power from this terrible natural

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disaster to you know, to utilize in his own warped

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magical activities. So you know, it just got worse from there, really,

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and everything that happened is outlined in a book that

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I wrote following this, more to just to get the

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story out into the public's I called The Black Alchemist,

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which started off really as a diary report, but the

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more I wrote it up, the more, you know, the

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more stylized the book, and I then rewrote the beginning

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of it again. But it's an absolute one percent accurate

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account of the events that took place between nineteen eighty

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five and nineteen eighty eight, which is where the book ends,

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but to be honest, even then it didn't end. We

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continued to follow up the activities of the Black Alchemists

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for at least about three years afterwards, and eventually Bernard

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just said, I've had enough. I don't care what this

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person is doing. I do not want to follow up

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this anymore because it's going to affect me, he said,

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I don't. You know, Initially it was okay finding a

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few artifacts, but you know, when it's quite clear that

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the next thing that's happened is the guy is probably

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going to turn up.

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Speaker 3: On your front doorstep. And he had a wife and

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two children. Sadly it's no longer with us.

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Speaker 6: He died about five years ago, but he realized that,

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you know, that we've gone too far and that you know, we,

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you know, leave the matter alone.

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 6: The feeling from other psychics is that the Black Alchemist

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doesn't exist anymore, that he's dead, But the strong feeling

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is that that somebody is continuing with his legacy, possibly

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people in his family, you know, maybe the next generation,

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and that myself and my colleague Richard Wold have been

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down to Sussex within the last couple of years and

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and material has come out suggesting that you know, things

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are still going on, and that you know, the whole

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thing could be triggered off again at any time. So

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it's still something that's active, but it's something that I

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wouldn't encourage anybody that thinks they want to go out

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and try and investigate this to do. I really wouldn't.

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It is quite dangerous. I mean, by all means read

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the story in The Black Alchemist. Obviously you know it's

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out there, it's available, you know, from all the normal sources.

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Speaker 3: And you know it's a great story. But it is

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a dangerous thing.

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Speaker 6: And it didn't just mess up Bernard but also me

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because at one particular point we received via this letter

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that was actually left at the site, in this black

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envelope with a whole lot of other weird bits and pieces,

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wanted to a death to both myself and Bernard, giving

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us just nine nights to live. And you can, as

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you can imagine, that next nine nights was quite a

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stressful period, and although I didn't realize it at the time,

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I suffered massively from stress headaches for several months over

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this period. And when I looked back to my first

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diary entry that said, you know, first, yeah, stress had

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ached today, they got that death threat and I'd never

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even linked it. So in other words, this affected me

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probably a lot more than I was willing to.

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Speaker 3: Admit at the time. Yeah, And I.

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Speaker 6: Was looking at it more from a journalistic point of view,

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because at the time I was working for a newspaper,

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The Lee Times in southeast Essex, and you know, I thought, oh,

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this is a great story.

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Speaker 3: But it was obviously affected me a.

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Speaker 6: Lot more than perhaps, as I said, I was prepared

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to me at the time.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, what do you sorry one question. Do you think

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the alchemist Black Alchemist worked alone?

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Speaker 3: Initially?

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Speaker 6: Yes, but what became clear is that he was working

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with a female because the artifacts initially were seeming left

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by one person. There were certain symbols letters on them

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that were clearly written in a male hand. And then

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in Danbridge Churchyard just after the hurricane in nineteen eighty seven,

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we found this dagger, this black ebony dagger with this

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grinning ape as a handle stuck into a blooded heart,

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and there was writing along the blade of this knife,

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which was very clearly a different hand. And unanimously everybody

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that saw it, and you know that the actual inscription

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is included in The Black Alchemist book.

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Speaker 3: It's clearly written in a female writing. It's completely different.

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Speaker 6: And I think at that point we realized that he

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was working with a woman, and that he probably had

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a small group with him as well, possibly five or

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six people. And this worried us slightly because this wasn't

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now just one deranged man that we were dealing with.

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Speaker 3: This was a whole group of people.

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Speaker 6: All of them that seemed to have, you know, some

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kind of grudge now towards Bernard and myself. And this

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is one of the reasons why I wanted to get

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the book out, because I thought, if I put this

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out into the public domain, you know, just maybe the

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whole thing will stop, or that other people be able

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to start finding out more information about them, and they'll

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go underground and.

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Speaker 3: This will be the end of it.

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Speaker 6: And yeah, I mean, certainly things did die down eventually,

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but it's one of these things which he's still out there,

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it's still happening. We didn't get any absolute conclusions. I

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bet I rounded off the story as best as I

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could in the original version of The Black Alchemist that

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came out at the end of nineteen eighty eight, and

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I changed that ending for the new version, a remastered

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edition of the book that came out earlier on this year. Yeah,

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just because you know, I think I brought it out

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too soon, so I rendered it off, you know, better

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this time. I think it makes for a better read

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for the readership. But you know, as I said, accurate

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as far as all of the diary reports and memories

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are concerned of exactly what happened at that time.

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Speaker 3: And there were various other.

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Speaker 6: People involved, you know, that that that had experiences, visions,

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dreams connected with the Black Alchemist that matched exactly what

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00:31:43,079 --> 00:31:46,160
Bernard also saw. So you know, this isn't just one man,

478
00:31:46,559 --> 00:31:48,480
you know, coming out with stuff. There was a number

479
00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:49,640
of people involved here.

480
00:31:50,160 --> 00:31:51,440
Speaker 4: Okay, good question.

481
00:31:52,799 --> 00:31:57,960
Speaker 2: Hi Andrew, Hi, do you still have the artifact you've found.

482
00:31:59,759 --> 00:31:59,799
Speaker 3: It?

483
00:32:00,039 --> 00:32:00,160
Speaker 5: As?

484
00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:04,200
Speaker 2: Did there any energy connected to them?

485
00:32:04,279 --> 00:32:07,519
Speaker 3: Not so much now, But I mean it's like anything.

486
00:32:07,559 --> 00:32:11,599
Speaker 6: I mean, obviously objects are charged, and obviously they were

487
00:32:11,680 --> 00:32:15,880
charged at the time of their their creation, and they

488
00:32:15,880 --> 00:32:20,599
were probably doused in in holy water and you know,

489
00:32:20,759 --> 00:32:24,359
things like this at the time and they lose that charge.

490
00:32:24,799 --> 00:32:28,960
But because they've still got magical symbols on them.

491
00:32:29,720 --> 00:32:32,000
Speaker 3: You know, if you put enough focus on them.

492
00:32:32,039 --> 00:32:35,720
Speaker 6: If you started to do you know, meditations and rituals

493
00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:38,200
with them, you would charge them up again and you

494
00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:41,759
would in many ways open up a portal to the

495
00:32:41,799 --> 00:32:47,200
Black Alchemist once more, or whoever is you know, perpetuating

496
00:32:47,279 --> 00:32:51,079
his legacy at least, And you know, to be honest,

497
00:32:51,839 --> 00:32:54,519
myself and my colleague riche Wald have rich Wald have

498
00:32:54,559 --> 00:32:58,839
actually done this because when I knew I was going

499
00:32:58,880 --> 00:33:01,200
to be rewriting the book, I mean a couple of

500
00:33:01,279 --> 00:33:06,880
years ago, we went down to Lullington again and the

501
00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:10,640
long Man of Wilmington and Wilmington Priory and we actually

502
00:33:11,880 --> 00:33:17,519
took the original spear shell spearhead with all the manables

503
00:33:17,599 --> 00:33:19,319
down and put it and put it back in the

504
00:33:19,319 --> 00:33:23,200
ground at Zach spot that it was found and I

505
00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:28,559
had Richard rediscover it, and I was filming it at

506
00:33:28,559 --> 00:33:30,279
the time because I wanted to do a promo video.

507
00:33:30,319 --> 00:33:32,359
And by the way, that promo video is done now

508
00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:35,480
and it's linked in theory I think to my website

509
00:33:35,519 --> 00:33:36,839
Andrew Collins dot com.

510
00:33:37,160 --> 00:33:38,400
Speaker 3: It's not then.

511
00:33:39,759 --> 00:33:42,839
Speaker 6: I should link it now, but it could be found

512
00:33:42,920 --> 00:33:45,279
by just going onto YouTube and just putting Black Alchemist

513
00:33:45,359 --> 00:33:49,839
Andrew Collins and anyway, so you know this was just

514
00:33:49,839 --> 00:33:53,160
for promotional reasons. But what was so strange is that

515
00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:55,720
the day that we were down there, a day which

516
00:33:55,759 --> 00:33:58,640
started off in beautiful weather, which is quite clear from

517
00:33:58,720 --> 00:34:04,200
the footage that we took, suddenly took a turn. And

518
00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:07,279
even by the time that we moved from Lullington to

519
00:34:07,720 --> 00:34:12,599
our next port of call, which was Lullington Sorry, Wilmington Church,

520
00:34:14,079 --> 00:34:17,880
now it was you know, false four or five gales

521
00:34:18,920 --> 00:34:22,239
and by the time we ended the day, it was

522
00:34:22,400 --> 00:34:26,519
the gales were just so violent that just could hardly

523
00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:28,920
stand on effect. And this was in the middle of summer,

524
00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:35,719
around Midsummer. And so you know, we and as Richard

525
00:34:35,719 --> 00:34:38,559
and I were sitting in a car on the top

526
00:34:38,639 --> 00:34:42,599
of the South Downs trying to link with this, Richard

527
00:34:42,599 --> 00:34:46,840
started picking up some quite incredible material about the Black

528
00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:50,960
Alchemist and what he had originally been up to at

529
00:34:51,039 --> 00:34:56,280
Lullington and at the band of Wilmington. And this is

530
00:34:56,320 --> 00:34:58,960
stuff which, you know, if we want there to be

531
00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:02,599
followed up at some point in the future. But all

532
00:35:02,599 --> 00:35:04,079
of this is in the book, by the way, the

533
00:35:04,119 --> 00:35:07,320
new remastered issue. I mean, I've got like a section

534
00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:10,360
right at the end which is called I can't know

535
00:35:10,480 --> 00:35:13,320
what it's called. Now, but it's like I've done it

536
00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:15,800
as a final chapter and it's Richard and I going

537
00:35:15,840 --> 00:35:19,599
back to the area and you know, all of everything

538
00:35:19,679 --> 00:35:20,400
kicking off again.

539
00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:22,519
Speaker 3: Basically, did you.

540
00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:25,800
Speaker 2: Ever find out what list what the significance was of

541
00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:27,159
the state of Nazia?

542
00:35:29,360 --> 00:35:31,920
Speaker 6: Yes, I mean in the original book, I don't really

543
00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:35,199
come back to it, simply because it really sort of

544
00:35:35,639 --> 00:35:41,079
paled into insignificance with regard to the whole Black Alchemist story.

545
00:35:41,639 --> 00:35:46,559
But what I've done for the new remastered version is

546
00:35:46,599 --> 00:35:49,880
to bring in the material that Bernard did pick up

547
00:35:50,639 --> 00:35:53,239
after this time and what I actually did to check

548
00:35:53,280 --> 00:35:57,800
it out relating to the state of Nasia. And I

549
00:35:57,840 --> 00:36:02,599
mean this included, for instance, me going to France a

550
00:36:02,679 --> 00:36:06,519
place called god I can't remember at the moment, but

551
00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:13,719
this castle somewhere in France and going into this this

552
00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:20,719
unround shaft which possibly had been created by the Nazis

553
00:36:20,760 --> 00:36:25,519
in the Second World War tunneling underneath this castle, this castle,

554
00:36:25,719 --> 00:36:28,159
which was actually picked up by by by Bernard had

555
00:36:28,199 --> 00:36:30,960
felt they'd done this tunneling. I didn't actually confirm it

556
00:36:31,039 --> 00:36:32,800
until I got to the spot. And this was many

557
00:36:32,880 --> 00:36:37,440
years before the internet, and I was actually going through

558
00:36:37,519 --> 00:36:42,079
this tunnel and it started to collapse. I was sort

559
00:36:42,079 --> 00:36:44,880
of walking through it and stuff started falling from the ceiling,

560
00:36:45,920 --> 00:36:49,679
and you know that the sense was is that somewhere

561
00:36:49,760 --> 00:36:52,719
down the end of this was a fragment of the

562
00:36:52,760 --> 00:36:57,159
state of Nasea, because what Bernard had picked up is

563
00:36:57,159 --> 00:37:01,000
that eventually, in about the fourteenth century, the owners of

564
00:37:01,039 --> 00:37:04,599
it at that time, who were the I think, was

565
00:37:04,599 --> 00:37:07,239
that the de Warren family, who were the els I

566
00:37:07,239 --> 00:37:13,079
think of Surrey, heard the object in a possession and

567
00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:15,039
they cut it up.

568
00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:17,679
Speaker 3: Not knowing it it's its value.

569
00:37:17,679 --> 00:37:22,960
Speaker 6: They'd actually split it into four pieces, which were then

570
00:37:23,159 --> 00:37:25,960
you know, used as as as you know, sort of

571
00:37:27,559 --> 00:37:31,719
what's the right word collateral or whatever with within the family,

572
00:37:32,840 --> 00:37:35,960
and that one of the pieces, he felt actually ended

573
00:37:36,039 --> 00:37:38,960
up in the hands of a French monarch, a French

574
00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:41,719
monarch uh and he, you know, he picked up the

575
00:37:41,800 --> 00:37:44,440
name of this particular monarch, and I was able to

576
00:37:44,639 --> 00:37:50,840
check the listing of sacred relics that were said to

577
00:37:51,039 --> 00:37:54,599
have been in the ownership of this king, and one

578
00:37:54,639 --> 00:37:57,480
of them was a piece of the rod of Moses.

579
00:37:58,519 --> 00:38:01,960
And as they're saying, be some indication that this Stavid

580
00:38:02,039 --> 00:38:05,159
Nazir was seen by some people as the original Rod

581
00:38:05,199 --> 00:38:08,039
of Moses. I thought this has to be it. So

582
00:38:08,079 --> 00:38:12,039
we did actually find that the Stave of Nazir existed,

583
00:38:13,920 --> 00:38:16,960
but we never obviously found a piece. One of the

584
00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:21,960
pieces was said to eventually have been buried beneath the

585
00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:28,039
altar at Wilmington Church, obviously very close to Lullington where

586
00:38:28,079 --> 00:38:31,639
the whole Black Alchemist thing kicked off in nineteen eighty five.

587
00:38:32,840 --> 00:38:35,159
And what Richard and I found out only when we

588
00:38:35,239 --> 00:38:37,199
went back down there two years ago is that there

589
00:38:37,239 --> 00:38:40,679
is supposed to have been a tunnel from that very

590
00:38:40,719 --> 00:38:45,199
position to the Wilmington Priory next door, and I reckon,

591
00:38:45,239 --> 00:38:48,960
there's a good chance that that piece of that Staven

592
00:38:49,039 --> 00:38:52,039
Nazir is inside that tunnel even to this day.

593
00:38:52,960 --> 00:38:55,239
Speaker 3: So I mean, that's yeah.

594
00:38:55,320 --> 00:38:58,320
Speaker 6: So in other words, I updated and put all of

595
00:38:58,320 --> 00:39:02,440
this into the new version of The Black Alchemists. You know,

596
00:39:02,519 --> 00:39:06,719
it's not totally relevant to the story, but people continually

597
00:39:06,760 --> 00:39:08,840
asked me, They said, well, what happened.

598
00:39:08,519 --> 00:39:09,840
Speaker 3: To the Stave of Nazia.

599
00:39:10,239 --> 00:39:12,199
Speaker 6: You know, you talk about it that the early part

600
00:39:12,239 --> 00:39:15,360
of the book, and you never returned to it. So

601
00:39:15,599 --> 00:39:16,719
you know, I've rectified that.

602
00:39:16,840 --> 00:39:17,000
Speaker 3: Now.

603
00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:19,519
Speaker 2: Could it be that it was he was actually using

604
00:39:19,599 --> 00:39:22,719
the power from the staff to do what it wanted

605
00:39:22,760 --> 00:39:23,039
to do.

606
00:39:24,119 --> 00:39:26,559
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, I mean because it would have been a

607
00:39:26,599 --> 00:39:27,920
par I mean there.

608
00:39:27,840 --> 00:39:30,480
Speaker 6: Was a reason if sorry, I mean, there was a

609
00:39:30,559 --> 00:39:32,920
reason why we were looking for the stave and Nazera

610
00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:38,280
in the first place. And the psychic information from Bernard

611
00:39:38,360 --> 00:39:43,000
had suggested that it wasn't so much the physical object itself.

612
00:39:43,719 --> 00:39:48,960
It was some kind of spirit essence which was serpentine

613
00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:53,599
in nature, that was contained within it, that had been

614
00:39:53,880 --> 00:39:58,320
passed down almost through some kind of priestly line right

615
00:39:58,360 --> 00:40:04,000
the way from a very early prehistoric period, perhaps even

616
00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:06,679
going back to ten twelve thousand BC.

617
00:40:07,440 --> 00:40:08,599
Speaker 3: Relating to this.

618
00:40:08,760 --> 00:40:14,280
Speaker 6: Underground structure which Bernard had started picking up existed in

619
00:40:14,360 --> 00:40:18,440
the area of the Sphinx and the Great Pyramid. Now,

620
00:40:20,079 --> 00:40:25,800
followers of Eggar Case the America's Sleeping Psychic referred to

621
00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:28,519
this as the whole of records, some kind of secret

622
00:40:28,639 --> 00:40:32,360
chamber that or you know, secret caves or something that

623
00:40:32,400 --> 00:40:37,239
exists beneath the plateau of Geezer. But Bernard and I

624
00:40:37,280 --> 00:40:41,159
started referring to them very specifically as the crystal chambers,

625
00:40:41,199 --> 00:40:45,000
because we believe that there were certain artifacts that were

626
00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:47,719
contained within them, one of which was this quite large

627
00:40:47,800 --> 00:40:50,719
crystal that was seen as like a point of first creation,

628
00:40:52,039 --> 00:40:57,519
like a bend benstone, an original enphiloss or naval stone.

629
00:40:57,599 --> 00:41:02,960
And we've felt that if we found a piece of

630
00:41:02,960 --> 00:41:05,719
the state of Nazia, we could take that essence and

631
00:41:05,760 --> 00:41:09,679
that would help us to explore what we call the

632
00:41:09,719 --> 00:41:15,519
Crystal Chambers. And so when I actually went to France,

633
00:41:16,280 --> 00:41:18,639
because I didn't actually get a piece of it, but

634
00:41:18,639 --> 00:41:22,320
I got very close to it, I did a ritual

635
00:41:22,360 --> 00:41:27,519
within this this collapsing tunnel to try and draw the

636
00:41:27,719 --> 00:41:32,239
essence from the fragment into an object, which I brought

637
00:41:32,320 --> 00:41:36,320
with me for that purpose and brought that back and

638
00:41:36,440 --> 00:41:40,880
rich and Bernard and I used this in our exploration

639
00:41:41,000 --> 00:41:44,199
of the Crystal Chambers. But I think what's important here

640
00:41:44,920 --> 00:41:47,000
is that some of the listeners might say, well, isn't

641
00:41:47,000 --> 00:41:50,159
this all a bit airy fairy and a bit you know, fantasy,

642
00:41:50,440 --> 00:41:53,880
like you know, a bit dungeons and dragons. Well, I

643
00:41:53,880 --> 00:41:58,599
think that what's important to know is that the inspiration

644
00:41:59,000 --> 00:42:04,920
that this gave me enabled me to rediscover Gezer's Lost

645
00:42:05,159 --> 00:42:06,119
Cave world.

646
00:42:08,039 --> 00:42:09,199
Speaker 3: In two thousand and eight.

647
00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:13,760
Speaker 6: And you know, it was a story all the way

648
00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:17,719
around the world, you know, CNN, NBC, everything that my

649
00:42:17,960 --> 00:42:23,320
rediscovery with my colleague Nigel Skinner Simpson of Gezer's Lost

650
00:42:23,360 --> 00:42:26,639
Cave System in two thousand and eight. So, in other words,

651
00:42:26,679 --> 00:42:29,480
that's how far you can take psychic information.

652
00:42:30,159 --> 00:42:33,000
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, Well, one more quick question before we move

653
00:42:33,039 --> 00:42:36,719
on to the other subject. Do you know the name

654
00:42:36,760 --> 00:42:39,519
of the black our alchemist? And if you did, would

655
00:42:39,559 --> 00:42:42,400
you use it? As there's power in a name.

656
00:42:44,320 --> 00:42:49,480
Speaker 6: I don't have his given name, but I do have,

657
00:42:51,039 --> 00:42:52,960
and I'm not going to reveal it, but I do

658
00:42:53,079 --> 00:42:58,920
have a name that he used, which we've confirmed and

659
00:42:59,079 --> 00:43:01,199
we're following that up. And there was a reason why

660
00:43:01,280 --> 00:43:05,000
he used that name. It was because he believed that

661
00:43:05,039 --> 00:43:08,639
he was descended from, you know, a particular family who

662
00:43:08,679 --> 00:43:13,239
he believed had magical you know, links with folk magic

663
00:43:13,280 --> 00:43:16,159
that went back a very long way, possibly in connections

664
00:43:16,199 --> 00:43:20,719
with alchemy, and that he adopted this name for use

665
00:43:20,960 --> 00:43:24,039
here and there. But this is work which you know,

666
00:43:24,159 --> 00:43:28,960
which we can continue to work in on and you know,

667
00:43:29,239 --> 00:43:31,840
may well see the light of day eventually. I really

668
00:43:31,840 --> 00:43:33,440
hope it does, because I don't want it to die

669
00:43:33,480 --> 00:43:34,400
with me basically.

670
00:43:34,880 --> 00:43:37,760
Speaker 4: Okay, just before we move on, do you think there's

671
00:43:37,760 --> 00:43:41,559
any link between the Black Alchemists and clapp and Woods.

672
00:43:44,679 --> 00:43:48,480
Speaker 3: Well, clapp and Woods is a very mysterious.

673
00:43:47,920 --> 00:43:51,400
Speaker 6: Place in West I mean, most of the Black Alchemist's

674
00:43:51,400 --> 00:43:56,039
activities were centered around the South Downs or Sussex Downs,

675
00:43:56,079 --> 00:43:58,440
around the Long Man of Wilmington.

676
00:43:59,800 --> 00:44:01,719
Speaker 3: But if you go west from.

677
00:44:01,599 --> 00:44:04,960
Speaker 6: There along the A one two seven, in the area

678
00:44:05,039 --> 00:44:08,639
obviously where the very tragic plane crash took place at

679
00:44:08,639 --> 00:44:13,159
Shoreham within the past few weeks, you eventually come to

680
00:44:14,880 --> 00:44:21,519
the area of Clapham and this is a very mysterious

681
00:44:21,599 --> 00:44:26,960
wood which since the nineteen seventies and possibly even earlier,

682
00:44:27,480 --> 00:44:30,280
has been the center of a lot of paranormal phenomena,

683
00:44:30,880 --> 00:44:38,079
everything from UFOs to horses being spooked, dogs being spooked,

684
00:44:38,519 --> 00:44:45,679
some mysterious deaths of individuals in that area, app strange atmosphere,

685
00:44:45,760 --> 00:44:48,360
possible occult activity going on there.

686
00:44:48,519 --> 00:44:51,280
Speaker 3: I mean, all this seems to be, you know, pretty realistic.

687
00:44:52,360 --> 00:44:55,920
Speaker 6: But at the end of the nineteen seventies, beginning the

688
00:44:56,000 --> 00:45:03,280
nineteen eighties, some local investigates began to believe that a

689
00:45:03,480 --> 00:45:09,840
group known as the Friends of Hikkarti were operating out

690
00:45:09,880 --> 00:45:14,599
of Clapham Wood. Now, the reason why they believed This

691
00:45:14,920 --> 00:45:20,199
was an alleged meeting between one of the investigators and

692
00:45:20,440 --> 00:45:24,880
one of the members of this group actually Crossroads within

693
00:45:24,960 --> 00:45:28,719
the Woods, which some people doubt actually took place.

694
00:45:28,480 --> 00:45:31,760
Speaker 3: But you know, it's a personal experience that's claimed.

695
00:45:32,599 --> 00:45:36,239
Speaker 6: And other strange letters that were received by the other researcher,

696
00:45:36,400 --> 00:45:39,800
whose name was Toy Newton, and they wrote a book

697
00:45:40,039 --> 00:45:43,719
eventually called The Demonic Connection, and this appeared I think

698
00:45:43,760 --> 00:45:48,960
in nineteen eighty seven for the first time, now quite

699
00:45:49,119 --> 00:45:54,559
separate to this. Bernard and even before the book was

700
00:45:54,599 --> 00:45:58,039
published started to pick up on this place called Clapham

701
00:45:58,079 --> 00:46:00,599
and he says, I feel that there's a link between

702
00:46:00,599 --> 00:46:04,599
the Black Alchemist and this place called Clapham. But his

703
00:46:04,719 --> 00:46:08,280
words to me were, get a very bad feeling about

704
00:46:08,280 --> 00:46:08,840
this place.

705
00:46:09,519 --> 00:46:12,440
Speaker 3: Leave it alone. It's not directly linked with anything we're doing.

706
00:46:12,480 --> 00:46:15,079
Speaker 6: I wouldn't I wouldn't rush off, because you know, I

707
00:46:15,119 --> 00:46:17,320
don't think it's going to be particularly relevant to what

708
00:46:17,400 --> 00:46:17,920
we're doing.

709
00:46:18,880 --> 00:46:20,440
Speaker 3: But eventually.

710
00:46:22,000 --> 00:46:26,000
Speaker 6: I did investigate Clapham Wood in connection with the Black Alchemists,

711
00:46:26,039 --> 00:46:28,840
and not so much to do with him, but possibly

712
00:46:28,920 --> 00:46:32,840
the woman who was associated with him, who we started

713
00:46:32,880 --> 00:46:37,559
referring to as the Black Sorceress of Arundel, and we

714
00:46:37,559 --> 00:46:41,400
weren't taking the titles very seriously at this point obviously BSA,

715
00:46:42,639 --> 00:46:45,000
and because we felt that there was a link between

716
00:46:45,079 --> 00:46:50,039
her and the town of Arundel, which I still believe today.

717
00:46:51,079 --> 00:46:53,840
And we're actually given a name for her, which was

718
00:46:54,000 --> 00:46:57,880
Rachel Goodison. This was the name that we were given

719
00:46:57,960 --> 00:47:04,719
for the accomplice, and it's a name which doesn't really

720
00:47:04,920 --> 00:47:08,840
check out, and no psychic information is ever one hundred percent,

721
00:47:09,440 --> 00:47:14,760
so I've never really been able to confirm whether somebody

722
00:47:14,760 --> 00:47:19,199
of that name fits the bill. But I do believe

723
00:47:19,280 --> 00:47:25,679
that there are links between her and the castle at Arundel,

724
00:47:27,000 --> 00:47:30,320
which is something which for legal reasons I won't even

725
00:47:30,400 --> 00:47:37,199
go any further with and and I and I do

726
00:47:37,519 --> 00:47:41,199
genuinely believe that that is is real, but that that's

727
00:47:41,239 --> 00:47:43,800
about as far as as we need to go on

728
00:47:43,840 --> 00:47:44,320
that matter.

729
00:47:44,360 --> 00:47:44,480
Speaker 5: Up.

730
00:47:44,599 --> 00:47:47,760
Speaker 4: Okay, we have had Charles on the show before, Charles.

731
00:47:47,480 --> 00:47:51,519
Speaker 6: Walker, so of course, well, I mean, obviously Charles, you know,

732
00:47:51,679 --> 00:47:55,320
is the person that claimed that the meeting, and I mean,

733
00:47:55,360 --> 00:47:58,239
you know, I've met Charles, I've heard his version of

734
00:47:58,239 --> 00:48:01,480
the story, and you know, he's believable. But that the

735
00:48:01,519 --> 00:48:06,719
problem is that he's claiming something so incredible that a

736
00:48:06,719 --> 00:48:10,760
lot of people don't believe it, and that skepticism has

737
00:48:10,920 --> 00:48:15,440
tainted completely people's views on the so called Friends of

738
00:48:15,559 --> 00:48:19,239
Karti to the degree that a lot of people now

739
00:48:19,239 --> 00:48:22,079
in the occult world don't believe that they even existed

740
00:48:22,119 --> 00:48:24,840
in the first place. Now, I don't know whether they

741
00:48:24,920 --> 00:48:27,840
did or they didn't, but what I'm pretty certain of

742
00:48:28,039 --> 00:48:32,119
is that something weird was going on at Clapham Woods,

743
00:48:32,519 --> 00:48:35,920
and that I do think that the woman associated with

744
00:48:35,960 --> 00:48:41,480
the Black Alchemist was visiting that place and doing stuff.

745
00:48:41,840 --> 00:48:45,480
Whether it's linked with the Friends of Katia or now

746
00:48:45,679 --> 00:48:47,519
looking back in twenty fifteen.

747
00:48:47,280 --> 00:48:47,760
Speaker 3: I don't know.

748
00:48:48,480 --> 00:48:51,639
Speaker 4: Okay, just quickly, Mazie wants to know, are you doing

749
00:48:51,679 --> 00:48:55,360
any talks or lectures anywhere soon? He could listen to

750
00:48:55,400 --> 00:48:56,000
you all night.

751
00:48:57,800 --> 00:49:02,079
Speaker 6: Well, not on this particular subject, because I mean, most

752
00:49:02,119 --> 00:49:05,840
of my work today it relates to the ancient mysteries

753
00:49:06,519 --> 00:49:11,079
the origins of civilization, and myself and my colleague Hugh

754
00:49:11,199 --> 00:49:17,719
Newman put on an annual conference known as Origins in London.

755
00:49:18,599 --> 00:49:21,800
It takes place in November this year, on November seventh.

756
00:49:22,280 --> 00:49:27,599
It's in my Land, and our keynote speaker is Graham Hancock,

757
00:49:27,800 --> 00:49:31,639
whose brand new book, Magicians of the Gods is published

758
00:49:32,119 --> 00:49:37,000
within a week or so. And this is basically rewriting

759
00:49:37,719 --> 00:49:42,760
our knowledge relating to the origins of civilization as early

760
00:49:42,800 --> 00:49:45,239
as ten eleven thousand BC.

761
00:49:46,719 --> 00:49:48,159
Speaker 3: And he's a keynote speaker.

762
00:49:48,800 --> 00:49:52,679
Speaker 6: Tickets are on sale now, many many other speakers, including myself,

763
00:49:53,960 --> 00:49:58,519
and you know many others including Linn Picnic and Clive Prince,

764
00:49:58,840 --> 00:50:04,679
the authors of the Templar Revelation which influenced the Da

765
00:50:04,719 --> 00:50:08,960
Vinci Code. And you know, anybody that's interested in anything

766
00:50:08,960 --> 00:50:12,559
we're talking about here should go on to Andrewcollins dot

767
00:50:12,559 --> 00:50:16,159
com my website because it's all up there somewhere.

768
00:50:16,559 --> 00:50:19,760
Speaker 4: Now I want to go over to talk about Go

769
00:50:19,880 --> 00:50:23,639
Beckley Tepe as I say, yeah, we had very quite

770
00:50:23,639 --> 00:50:26,039
a few questions for you, Andrew, so I hope you're

771
00:50:26,079 --> 00:50:29,480
okay with the timing. What is Go Beccley Tape?

772
00:50:31,599 --> 00:50:35,320
Speaker 6: Well, Go Beckley Tepe is arguably the most exciting archaeological

773
00:50:35,360 --> 00:50:39,480
discovery in the last twenty years because what you have

774
00:50:39,679 --> 00:50:45,039
here is what might be described as monumental architecture megalithic

775
00:50:45,199 --> 00:50:51,639
monumental architecture, consisting of a series of stone circles with

776
00:50:52,400 --> 00:50:58,039
T shaped tops to them that are carved, that have

777
00:50:58,760 --> 00:51:04,000
reliefs on them of animals and humans and other abstract

778
00:51:04,039 --> 00:51:10,639
are even you know, symbols, what would you call them,

779
00:51:11,280 --> 00:51:15,360
idio like glyphs and idiograms, very much like the Mayan

780
00:51:16,280 --> 00:51:17,199
you know, sort of.

781
00:51:18,760 --> 00:51:19,679
Speaker 3: Hieroglyphic system.

782
00:51:20,559 --> 00:51:27,360
Speaker 6: And you have these at this huge enclosure which dwarfs

783
00:51:27,480 --> 00:51:34,280
stonehengeine size on this mountaintop in southeast Turkey, discovered as

784
00:51:34,400 --> 00:51:41,599
recently as nineteen ninety four, and the date on this

785
00:51:42,599 --> 00:51:49,880
is nine thousand, five hundred BC. And this is what

786
00:51:50,199 --> 00:51:54,320
Graham Hancock, who I was with when he first visited

787
00:51:54,360 --> 00:51:58,079
the site just a couple of years ago, describes as

788
00:51:58,159 --> 00:52:01,039
the smoking gun of a lot of civilization. But I

789
00:52:01,039 --> 00:52:05,480
mean I was onto this site as early as two thousand.

790
00:52:05,599 --> 00:52:09,480
I first visited there in two thousand and four, and

791
00:52:09,559 --> 00:52:14,519
it followed on from work which I had detailed in

792
00:52:14,519 --> 00:52:16,760
a book called from the Ashes of Angels that came

793
00:52:16,800 --> 00:52:21,000
out as early as nineteen ninety six, where I said

794
00:52:21,159 --> 00:52:27,400
that angels as described under the name Watchers in the

795
00:52:27,440 --> 00:52:34,440
Book of Enoch, actually a memory of this elite group

796
00:52:34,559 --> 00:52:40,920
of Shamans who occupied the area of southeast Turkey or

797
00:52:40,960 --> 00:52:48,000
Anatolia as early as ten thousand BC and kickstarted civilization

798
00:52:48,880 --> 00:52:51,320
in what was known as the Garden of Eden or

799
00:52:51,360 --> 00:52:55,840
the cradle of Civilization, and that you know, you would

800
00:52:55,880 --> 00:52:57,960
find evidence of this lost culture there.

801
00:52:58,360 --> 00:52:58,639
Speaker 3: Well.

802
00:52:59,039 --> 00:53:02,000
Speaker 6: As I was writing these words in nineteen ninety five,

803
00:53:02,679 --> 00:53:06,599
that's when the spade of the archaeologist was hitting the

804
00:53:06,639 --> 00:53:10,880
ground at go Beckley Tape for the first time. And

805
00:53:12,239 --> 00:53:16,519
nobody really knew about Gobecley Tape until about two thousand,

806
00:53:16,800 --> 00:53:19,000
which is when I first heard about it. There was

807
00:53:19,000 --> 00:53:23,320
an article published in a German magazine and I just thought,

808
00:53:23,360 --> 00:53:25,360
oh my god, this is this is the mother lie,

809
00:53:25,440 --> 00:53:28,239
this is this is what I've been talking about. This

810
00:53:28,400 --> 00:53:32,280
is the evidence of this loss civilization in this area.

811
00:53:33,559 --> 00:53:36,519
So I was on the case right from the word go.

812
00:53:36,960 --> 00:53:40,400
And luckily I was privileged to be out there in

813
00:53:40,440 --> 00:53:45,000
two thousand and four given a lecture on from the

814
00:53:45,039 --> 00:53:49,400
Ashes of Angels, and I said, look, you know, as

815
00:53:49,440 --> 00:53:51,880
part of my deal to come out there, you know,

816
00:53:51,920 --> 00:53:55,760
I need to see some of these sights. And they said, yeah,

817
00:53:55,800 --> 00:53:58,559
no problem. Will give you a vehicle, we'll give you

818
00:53:58,599 --> 00:54:01,360
a driver, we'll give you a translator for a week.

819
00:54:01,960 --> 00:54:05,800
So I was able to drive around visiting these places,

820
00:54:05,800 --> 00:54:09,400
including the Beckley Tape, which at the time was still

821
00:54:09,440 --> 00:54:11,800
being uncovered, and there was nobody there when we went there.

822
00:54:11,840 --> 00:54:15,800
There wasn't there was nobody even guarding the site. The

823
00:54:15,840 --> 00:54:18,119
only people that we saw the whole time we were

824
00:54:18,119 --> 00:54:21,199
there was the local farmer and his son, who were

825
00:54:21,239 --> 00:54:23,320
the people that had been trying to tell the local

826
00:54:23,400 --> 00:54:27,239
museum at shan Lufer that there was you know, pieces

827
00:54:27,280 --> 00:54:32,039
of cut and dressed stone with carving on being found,

828
00:54:32,440 --> 00:54:35,159
you know, as they were plowing that the local fields,

829
00:54:36,119 --> 00:54:39,559
you know, on the edge of this mountain ridge. And

830
00:54:39,599 --> 00:54:42,800
nobody had taken any notice until this German archaeologist came

831
00:54:42,840 --> 00:54:47,159
along by the name of Professor Klaus Schmidt in nineteen

832
00:54:47,239 --> 00:54:50,440
ninety four, and he recognized the importance of the site

833
00:54:50,519 --> 00:54:56,079
and immediately began excavations there the following year, and very

834
00:54:56,159 --> 00:55:01,320
gradually over the next five ten years they at least

835
00:55:01,440 --> 00:55:04,639
part of the site. I mean still even today they've

836
00:55:04,679 --> 00:55:09,239
only uncovered about a tenth of the whole you know site,

837
00:55:09,239 --> 00:55:14,119
which is beneath this artificial mound or tepe, you know,

838
00:55:14,440 --> 00:55:19,400
hence the term Quebecley Tepe. But when I first went

839
00:55:19,440 --> 00:55:22,039
there in two thousand and four. I looked at it

840
00:55:22,079 --> 00:55:26,320
and I thought, this looks virtually alien. I mean that

841
00:55:26,519 --> 00:55:32,159
the style of the stone carvings, the manner that this

842
00:55:32,239 --> 00:55:37,920
megalithic architecture was built, just said that the mindset of

843
00:55:38,000 --> 00:55:41,639
these people who existed in nine five hundred BC is

844
00:55:41,719 --> 00:55:45,400
so different to our own that we've almost got to

845
00:55:45,440 --> 00:55:47,360
throw everything away and start again.

846
00:55:49,400 --> 00:55:52,440
Speaker 4: Do you think what's the main use for Gebecy people?

847
00:55:53,400 --> 00:55:56,199
What do you think was the main use for Quebecley

848
00:55:56,280 --> 00:55:57,639
tear painted people? There?

849
00:55:59,079 --> 00:56:06,639
Speaker 6: Well, it was okay, the two main functions. One is

850
00:56:06,800 --> 00:56:11,000
an absolute total interaction with the other world. I think

851
00:56:11,000 --> 00:56:14,599
if you wanted to use two words to describe what

852
00:56:14,719 --> 00:56:18,599
it is that the reader that the listeners might understand,

853
00:56:18,639 --> 00:56:22,480
it's almost like a stargate, if you like. There are

854
00:56:22,480 --> 00:56:27,719
two huge, great T shaped pillars monoliths in the center

855
00:56:27,800 --> 00:56:34,159
of each of the closures that are clearly like gateways portals,

856
00:56:35,559 --> 00:56:38,599
and I think that you stood between those face towards

857
00:56:38,639 --> 00:56:42,599
the north, where in two of the largest enclosures you

858
00:56:42,679 --> 00:56:46,199
face towards this flat faced stone with a big hole

859
00:56:46,280 --> 00:56:50,159
in front of you. Yeah, like a holed stone, which

860
00:56:50,840 --> 00:56:54,800
we refer to as a soul hole. These holes are

861
00:56:54,840 --> 00:56:58,400
the holes that sharman would use to access the other

862
00:56:58,440 --> 00:57:01,800
world whilst in an altered state out of consciousness, perhaps

863
00:57:01,880 --> 00:57:06,440
using halluciner germs or some other means of entering a

864
00:57:06,480 --> 00:57:10,000
shifted state of reality, and they would project their mind

865
00:57:10,079 --> 00:57:13,920
through this and literally go to the stars. They would

866
00:57:13,960 --> 00:57:23,000
climb the mountain the Milky Way and enter the area

867
00:57:23,159 --> 00:57:29,159
of the constellation of sickness, the celestial Swan, but also

868
00:57:29,440 --> 00:57:33,599
the Cross and so called Northern Cross, which is at

869
00:57:33,639 --> 00:57:36,159
the top of something known as the Dark Rift or

870
00:57:36,199 --> 00:57:39,760
the Great Rift, which is the split in the Milky Way,

871
00:57:39,760 --> 00:57:42,719
and where that split begins is the stars of Signals,

872
00:57:43,119 --> 00:57:47,199
and this has universally been seen as the point of

873
00:57:47,440 --> 00:57:50,760
entry and exit to the sky world for probably at

874
00:57:50,840 --> 00:57:58,000
least seventeen to eighteen thousand years, and Quebec Tepe seems

875
00:57:58,000 --> 00:58:01,480
to be focused on that. But it's that's what you

876
00:58:01,519 --> 00:58:05,320
can achieve by being there and being inside these conclosed

877
00:58:05,360 --> 00:58:08,760
But I don't think that that necessarily was its primary function.

878
00:58:09,280 --> 00:58:12,039
I think that the function was to allow the shaman

879
00:58:13,039 --> 00:58:18,960
to enter the other world and then somehow counter the

880
00:58:19,000 --> 00:58:24,480
activities of what might be referred to as tricksters, supernatural

881
00:58:24,559 --> 00:58:29,639
tricksters who were seen to be able to tuget what's

882
00:58:29,679 --> 00:58:34,760
known as the cosmic tree or the cosmic axis and

883
00:58:35,719 --> 00:58:39,039
disturb it in such a way as to cause cataclysms

884
00:58:39,119 --> 00:58:45,400
on Earth, because shortly before Gebecley Tape was constructed, there'd

885
00:58:45,400 --> 00:58:50,079
been a terrible cataclysm in the world, probably caused by

886
00:58:50,320 --> 00:58:56,920
a comet impact around ten nine hundred BC, and that

887
00:58:58,559 --> 00:59:02,360
this destabilized everything. I mean, probably as much as seventy

888
00:59:02,400 --> 00:59:06,159
five percent of the human population were killed, and it

889
00:59:06,239 --> 00:59:09,960
left the whole world in a state of what visionary

890
00:59:10,000 --> 00:59:15,159
writer Barbarahan Cloe refers to as catastrophobia, you know, in

891
00:59:15,159 --> 00:59:19,840
other words, the fear that cataclysm is about to occur again. So,

892
00:59:19,840 --> 00:59:23,360
in other words, every time that a comet appears in

893
00:59:23,400 --> 00:59:27,000
the sky, everybody ducks and hides, you know, yeah, and

894
00:59:27,079 --> 00:59:29,719
that it may well be. And this is what I

895
00:59:29,840 --> 00:59:32,800
argue in my latest book, which is called Quebecy Tape,

896
00:59:32,920 --> 00:59:38,320
Genesis of the Gods, that what Quebecley Tape was constructed

897
00:59:38,440 --> 00:59:43,239
for was to enable the Shamans to enter the other

898
00:59:43,320 --> 00:59:46,840
world to deal with the supernatural tricksters that were seen

899
00:59:46,880 --> 00:59:52,239
in the form of generally either foxes or wolves, and

900
00:59:52,360 --> 00:59:55,519
to deal with them, and so they could come back

901
00:59:56,239 --> 01:00:00,440
from their other worldly journeys and say to the people, Yeah, problem,

902
01:00:00,519 --> 01:00:03,280
there's not going to be a cataclysm. You can all

903
01:00:03,360 --> 01:00:07,079
sleep tight until the next comet comes along. I think

904
01:00:07,119 --> 01:00:10,280
that's exactly what they were constructed for. And some of

905
01:00:10,320 --> 01:00:16,599
the relief imagery at Quebec Tepe clearly suggests that it

906
01:00:16,679 --> 01:00:20,880
represents comets, and I think this is this was what

907
01:00:20,960 --> 01:00:26,519
was going on. In other words, our ancestors felt the

908
01:00:26,559 --> 01:00:33,960
need to supersize their religious shrines and buildings after this cataclysm,

909
01:00:34,239 --> 01:00:37,800
and this is when the first monumental architecture was created,

910
01:00:38,199 --> 01:00:41,280
not just in southeast Turkey, but almost certainly in other

911
01:00:41,320 --> 01:00:46,039
parts of the world, possibly in Java, Indonesia this place Gonumbardang,

912
01:00:46,760 --> 01:00:51,920
and possibly even in England a stone hedge. Most people

913
01:00:51,960 --> 01:00:56,239
don't realize that there's evidence of a proto stone hedge

914
01:00:56,599 --> 01:01:02,280
that goes back to eight thousand BC, and there are

915
01:01:02,360 --> 01:01:04,960
other places around the world that have been put forward

916
01:01:05,679 --> 01:01:06,960
as being.

917
01:01:06,760 --> 01:01:08,920
Speaker 3: Constructed around the same time frame.

918
01:01:09,440 --> 01:01:13,760
Speaker 6: Everywhere from the Sphynx at Geeza by the side of

919
01:01:13,760 --> 01:01:20,719
the Great Pyramid to an arca huge complex in Bolivia

920
01:01:21,480 --> 01:01:26,119
have been suggested to having been built in this time frame,

921
01:01:26,920 --> 01:01:30,239
and I think that this is when monument tecture began

922
01:01:31,039 --> 01:01:34,239
and Quebecley Tape is your smoking gun. This is your

923
01:01:34,440 --> 01:01:40,320
absolute example, because we have carbon fourteen dating that cannot

924
01:01:40,639 --> 01:01:45,480
be disputed, contextual dating of stone tools that are found

925
01:01:45,480 --> 01:01:49,159
at the site that tell us very firmly that the

926
01:01:49,199 --> 01:01:52,960
earliest structures there were created around nine to nine thy

927
01:01:53,079 --> 01:01:56,239
five hundred BC. So that's the area where I am

928
01:01:56,280 --> 01:01:59,840
at the moment. But you know, we're still working with

929
01:01:59,840 --> 01:02:02,400
the psychics on all of this. You know, I mean,

930
01:02:02,440 --> 01:02:05,760
you won't see this in those books, but you know,

931
01:02:06,039 --> 01:02:10,039
I'm happy to hear from people if they feel they've

932
01:02:10,039 --> 01:02:14,039
got a psychic insight into any of these places that

933
01:02:14,079 --> 01:02:14,840
we talk about.

934
01:02:16,559 --> 01:02:17,760
Speaker 3: You know, I want to know. I want to hear

935
01:02:17,800 --> 01:02:18,880
from them. And you do.

936
01:02:18,920 --> 01:02:20,920
Speaker 4: Trips over there, don't you you do?

937
01:02:21,119 --> 01:02:23,400
Speaker 6: Yes, yes, yeah, I mean, if if if you want

938
01:02:23,400 --> 01:02:26,039
to go to Quebec to Tape, or you want to

939
01:02:26,079 --> 01:02:30,440
go to Egypt next year, or you want to go

940
01:02:30,639 --> 01:02:37,360
to Northern India, Laddock Toll, the Tibetan monasteries, talk to

941
01:02:37,440 --> 01:02:41,599
us on Andrew Collins dot com. You know, all of

942
01:02:41,639 --> 01:02:44,280
these tours will be going up in the next week

943
01:02:44,400 --> 01:02:47,079
or so. I mean, some of them already up there

944
01:02:48,000 --> 01:02:51,280
come on to us, and and you know, because all

945
01:02:51,280 --> 01:02:55,039
of these are inspired by the psychic word, every single

946
01:02:55,079 --> 01:02:58,119
one of them. I mean this, this tour too to

947
01:02:58,280 --> 01:03:04,320
northern India, to the area of Laddock, which is in

948
01:03:02,960 --> 01:03:08,000
the Kashmir area known as Little Tibet, where you've got

949
01:03:08,000 --> 01:03:13,880
all these proper Tibetan monasteries still operating today. All of

950
01:03:13,880 --> 01:03:16,519
this was inspired by by psychic visions that I had

951
01:03:16,559 --> 01:03:19,800
in two thousand and four, you know, and that inspires

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me to create tours at these places to do some

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live questing.

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Speaker 3: Whilst we're out there.

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Speaker 4: We was asking about republishing any of your other books

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in containing psychic question.

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Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, I mean I did that by myself.

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Speaker 6: I think That's what I'm trying to say is but

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doing it yourself is great, yeah, you know, because you can,

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you know, you can master it to your absolute perfection,

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which is what I did with the with the remastered

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version of The Black Alchemist. But having said that, the

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only way that books sell is through promotion, Yeah, constant promotion.

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And it's something that you know, between you and I.

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At the moment, I've got several other projects the tours

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the conference in November. Two books I'm trying to do

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at the moment, a new one and a rewrite of

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an old.

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Speaker 3: Book, Michael Gateway to Atlantis.

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Speaker 6: So you know, if you haven't got the absolute time

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to promote a book, it's probably best to try and

972
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get a publisher to do it, because you know they

973
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can use their gusto to promote the book and you

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can leave it in their hands and they'll do all

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the work. And that that is probably what I'm going

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to do with the Seventh Sword, I think, yeah, right.

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Speaker 2: Okay, and go back to go blackly Teppe. It was

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obviously used for some sort of religious purposes, whether it

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be sham or any other. Was there any and has

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there been any burial grounds found?

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Speaker 3: Not at Quebec Tepe. No.

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Speaker 6: The only thing they have found is within What would

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happen is that after a certain period of time, maybe

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let's say one hundred years or something, each of the

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enclosures was, in our terms, decommission and some of the

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stones were removed and the whole thing was just covered over.

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They just filled it in with earth and debris and

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stone chippings and whatever, and either built another enclosure to

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the side of it, or eventually as the mound got

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bigger and bigger on top of the earth, and very

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gradually they formed like this layer cake of structures that

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were getting smaller and smaller as they were getting younger

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and younger in age, until you created this artificial mount

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which has a depth of about forty five feet. It's

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about fifteen mens whatever that is in feet, I'm not

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gonna work it out now anyway. And you've got different

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layers of these these temple structures within them, and the

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same thing happens in the amongst the Maya, various other

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Mexican or meso American civilizations. You build on top of

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other things, and this is what's happened. And you will

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hear out there people saying that Quebecley Tape was deliberately

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buried in some kind of hurry, and that's crap. It was.

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It was it would create that the mound was created

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very gradually over a period of fifteen hundred years, and

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then eventually, for whatever reason, the people decided that they'd

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had enough and they just covered the rest of it over,

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you know, in other words, whatever was.

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Speaker 3: Left and just left and went away. And that's what

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happened really, so do the answer the question?

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Speaker 2: Yes, thank you?

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Speaker 4: Right, Okay, well, I've got plenty of questions for you,

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but I'm afraid everyone out of time, so we'll have

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to get you back on again sometime later on in

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the future, so if that's okay with you, of course, okay,

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but again, just tell everyone where they can find out

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more about your website and everything.

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Speaker 6: Well, the site that you know has everything is Andrewcollins

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dot com. You know, just type that in and you

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know all my books, tours, loads of articles about Quebecty, Tepei,

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you know that the Great Pyramids, that the caves at Giza,

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they're all there. And if you want any of my books,

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I sell signed copies of all my books which you

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can get via the website, or if you want to

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just get an e book or a straightforward version, should

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go on to.

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Speaker 3: Amazon and then and then they are basically all the time.

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Speaker 4: Okay, thanks again Andrew for giving us your time. It's

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it's been brilliant talking to you, very fascinating subjects and

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I wish all the best of them up with all

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your adventures, and as I say, it would be godad

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to get you back on the show. Again sometime and

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talk more about this.

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Speaker 3: That would be my pleasure. And thank you for having me.

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Speaker 4: No problem, Andrew, I hope your cold gets better soon.

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Speaker 3: Thank you. I'm breaking tramp