Speaker 1: I'll start Toyota Presents Off the Bench with Jacob Hester
and Matt Flynn.
Speaker 2: Okay, here we go where.
Speaker 1: The plays get broken down and science gets denied to
come off the bench. Hour two of Off the Bench
Live from downtown. Baton Rouge starts now, all right.
Speaker 3: Welcome back again, Hour number two VOTH TV one oh
four five, ESPN Baton Rouge, all right, number two.
Speaker 2: Who do we think sabotage the video? Today?
Speaker 3: We were joking about our boy, but he's the actual
only person that answered the phone, and he's on vacation.
Speaker 2: So he answered the phone on an airplane. Nobody else
answering the phone.
Speaker 4: Must about that uh airplane WiFi at eighteen dollars, he had.
Speaker 5: Money like one flight to our land.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it isn't.
Speaker 3: Somebody trying to keep us off the top five. Maybe
in the top morning shows number seven seven?
Speaker 2: You think it's Macro and Cubes, good Ben or.
Speaker 3: Was it somebody else that used to be uh in
the foxhole that's starting a new morning show over on
FS one.
Speaker 5: That seems likely.
Speaker 3: Wow, debut show, first time we've had trouble getting on YouTube.
Speaker 2: That's weird. Wow. A lot of people, a lot of
people believe in a lot of people. So I don't know.
We'll try to get on, but it feels like it's
an inside job.
Speaker 5: It feels like Jordan's struggling right now.
Speaker 4: Jordan's he's gonna need it. Yeah, he's gonna probably yeah.
Or two, you should probably go for dose.
Speaker 2: This is unbelievable. I would go for dose.
Speaker 4: How your stress level like if like scale one to ten,
like ten, like you're about to like die one eat chilling,
you're an eate. Definitely, that's closer to death than I
would have thought. It ain't worth it, bud Well, the
thing to be worth it?
Speaker 6: Well, the thing is, I get it. You know it's radio,
that's not YouTube. But you know, you got we gotta
produce content, and we have a producing meeting after this,
so it's kind of.
Speaker 3: Don't probably I believe Yeah, yes, I'll just say yes.
Speaker 2: So I'll say yes.
Speaker 6: You know, this is definitely not how I plan my
Wednesday to go, especially you know I showed up.
Speaker 2: Ear you'll definitely get the blame.
Speaker 6: I mean, it's it's sure, you know, I'm a man. Happens,
but it's just like this is this is ridiculous.
Speaker 2: Are you though you're not that you know.
Speaker 6: It's there's levels to it, you know, it's it's levels
to that you know you. I think that comes with
like become the sage. Yeah, I get older and older,
you know.
Speaker 3: We just like saying Mike Gundy, I'm a man, I'm
forty up here, Hey.
Speaker 6: My gandy upset Oregon. Let's get it, okay, let's go
all right.
Speaker 5: I just like him to calm down because the.
Speaker 2: Energy, hey, because you're good, it's making.
Speaker 5: Me like, it's making me stressed.
Speaker 2: This is not this is not the crew. It's gonna
yell at you or be mad at you. It is
what it is.
Speaker 5: You feel the energy.
Speaker 3: Listen, we have engineers that are supposed to fix issues
like this.
Speaker 2: That's not on you. So you're good. You got I
want you to get that energy when we talk about
the Saints later.
Speaker 6: On, hopefully we get you.
Speaker 7: Baby's gonna fire me up. That's what I put on
my bullet points in the dog release j T. Gray,
I guess who cares does nothing for me?
Speaker 2: What even.
Speaker 3: That?
Speaker 2: Okay?
Speaker 3: That is like we talked about yesterday, so they do
you know, move on from an All Pro Special Team's
ward Daddy in JT.
Speaker 2: Gray and they left that spot open.
Speaker 3: So it's like, Okay, well I hate it, but it's
gonna be a roster decision.
Speaker 2: They feel like they need another body.
Speaker 3: Somewhere, they need a you know, maybe they need another corner,
maybe they want an extra tight end for whatever it
might be.
Speaker 2: No, it was just for ja Caner to be.
Speaker 3: Elevated from the practice squad back to the active roster.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a bizarre move. It's a bizarre move.
Speaker 4: I'd like to hear like fly on the wall on
the conversation that has had about it, because I mean,
he went through waivers right, so he was either I
don't even know what could have happened because he passed
through waivers on the practice squad and you decide to
elevate him for what reason In particular, I don't understand
the move or the decision has to be something. I
would like to give the Saints the benefit of the
doubt that there was an actual, stable, good, decent reasoning
behind the move. But there's not from the cuff, looking
like not being on the inside, there is not because
you just don't do that, like you and we kind
of we talked about J. T. Gray being released yesterday,
but with the understanding of giving the Saints the benefit
of the doubt of saying, all right, well, they had
an extra linebacker, extra offensive line and extra dB.
Speaker 2: Like okay, fine, you get it, we get it.
Speaker 4: It's you'd rather have a guy in there that has
a potential of playing twenty twenty five plays than a
guy that's a special team's guy.
Speaker 2: Okay, that's a tough decision to make.
Speaker 4: You made it, whatever, but you don't do it for
a third quarterback that had passed through waivers. So he
was not a threat from what we know, at least
a threat to go to a different roster or to
leave you.
Speaker 6: Literally, I mean, it's it's crazy. But at the same time,
you know a lot of people, oh, boy's a special
teamer who cares and all it is.
Speaker 3: But it's like there's a something between like a special
teamer and a core for war Daddy that's an All
Pro All Pro three times. Yeah, So like if you
move on from him, I can make the math work
if you say, like Matt said, we need this guy
that can play fifteen snaps on offensive defense and some
special teams because right now where our roster is, we
need that body in there on you know, the All
twenty two either offense or defense, right or the option, Like, yeah,
the option too.
Speaker 4: The guy, you know, one of our starter, our two
deep guys got he's working through the little spring to
anchor right now, Like just in case, if you could
justify this move in so many ways. There's so many
scenarios in which you can justify releasing a special teams guy,
even if he is a core war daddy pro bowler
type guy. There's a lot of ways you can justify this.
Certainly is not one of them. And I get it.
Jay Caneer is probably in this place where he's gonna
be up and down, up and down. They're gonna do
roster roster gymnastics, and maybe like we're not seeing I
hope we're not seeing this the entire picture here. But
like God Saints, I'm trying. I am trying so hard
right now to to cheer for you, give you the
benefit of the doubt, to cheer for Kelly Moore, who
I think is a great coach, like to do.
Speaker 2: All that stuff.
Speaker 4: I'm trying so hard to be a fan. You're just
making it difficult right this second. I just don't understand it.
Maybe give us some sort of good reasoning. Tell the
tell the people, get your fans like behind you a
little bit, at least give them some nuggets, like, tell them,
this is the decision we made, This is why we
made the decision. And it can't just be because we
needed Jay Cayner on the active roster when we had
them clear waivers and on the practice squad. That can't
be the reason. What do you think?
Speaker 2: I don't. I don't.
Speaker 3: I don't have in my mind like I'm trying to
get the Rubik's cube to.
Speaker 2: Keep turning, trying.
Speaker 3: I just don't know that I could ever get there
and for this one to make sense to me.
Speaker 4: See if it's Cam Jordan's, if you're having Kamar, what
is your thoughts? Like, how do you justify that to them?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 6: I mean they were mad? I mean was on Twitter, Yeah,
he was like what is going on? I mean, Tyren
Matthew coming from the top rope. See, but that's the problem.
Speaker 2: Guys.
Speaker 6: You're trying to put yourself in a mind frame where
you're understanding Mickey Loomis.
Speaker 2: The same man.
Speaker 6: Doesn't That doesn't happen. You guys have a brain that
does not gonna work. You're not gonna be able to
understand what Micky's doing, because nobody understands what Micky's doing.
So that's the that's the problem. You can't even put yourself,
I think in that type of state of hosts is
you're probably involved in this.
Speaker 2: One too, though, do you think so? I don't have
no idea.
Speaker 4: I believe that the coaches might not be involved at all.
Why else was everybody turned down the job? Nobody wanted
a job? Why because maybe there's a stipulation that you
ain't got no say yeah, which the people I put
on the roster, Like maybe maybe I believe it.
Speaker 2: This one helps me.
Speaker 3: There was a quarterback competition and it was two people,
like I started out as three and we were like,
why are you doing that? But it was two people
shuck and it was rattler Right, So those two are
still on the roster. You had Jake on the practice squad.
He's your emergency quarterback? Why elevated? Like for what reason?
Like even if he's.
Speaker 4: The only thing I can think of maybe a justification
is if he's on practice squad and like another team
can offer to take you on their active roster even
if you're on the practice squad.
Speaker 3: Maybe he got an offer, but and that happened a lot.
We appreciate your time here. And that happened a lot
when I was It happened to when I was in
Green Bay. Happened to Graham Harrell.
Speaker 4: He was on the practice squad and he got someone
wanted to pick him up on the active roster because
they had an injury.
Speaker 2: Well, green Bay of the option to match keep him.
Speaker 4: On practice squad, but matched the salary that they were
like the rookie minimum for an active roster guy. Like
maybe that happened and they had to activate him or
he was leaving post Ellinger, So what so what if
he leaves, Like there's yeah, and so to me to
justify that, how do you justify that to your veterans.
Speaker 2: That have been so loyal?
Speaker 4: I was like, I was, I was cussing that Kamara
a couple of years ago when he signed his contract extension,
Like what are you doing?
Speaker 2: Free yourself? Fly go fly go.
Speaker 4: In a ring go contend, Like the situation that he
re signed into was not good and it doesn't seem
to be getting any better. And I know, maybe we're
making like way too much of this this cut, but
the justification on it is embarrassing.
Speaker 2: Yep. And I'm trying. I want to be a man.
Speaker 4: I want to cheer, I want to like, I want
to wax poetically about how hard the effort they did.
But there's the stupid things really set me off.
Speaker 3: And this is and then you upset your veteran players
like you said that have been so loyal to you,
even ones that like Tyron who retired, but still Tyron
knows what JT meant to the locker room. And again,
like I can make the math work if you say, hey, yeah,
last thing we wanted to do, but look, we're really
banged up it tight end, and we had to have
another guy available because even our second tight end he's
got like a little ankle deal, and it's like if
he goes down, man, we're a lot of twelve personnel
we're gonna be We're gonna be really in the dark here,
Like you don't love it, but you understand it.
Speaker 2: This one you hate and you can't make me understand it.
Mm hmm.
Speaker 4: Hey, what's we said yesterday? We kind of like said,
well yesterday talking about j T. Graby release was like
now that sucks, but like sure, I get it. I
thought it was gonna be the situation benefit of the doubt,
all right, but this is there's no explanation to this,
and maybe we're just not.
Speaker 2: Smart enough to see it.
Speaker 4: No, maybe we just can't see behind the behind the curtain.
How the sausage is made, Well, it doesn't really matter
how the sausage is made if the sausage ain't good, right, No.
Speaker 6: But y'all are spot on, like nobody would care if
they're actually brought in some top of any any position,
any position players. I promise you would have been like, okay,
well we can say that. But bringing in QB three,
like you said, who passed waivers, so it wasn't like
he was a top priority. When it's like even if
Raler does so, you're like you thank Raler and Schuck
are just gonna just explode and the hangter is about
to come in. I don't understand that move.
Speaker 4: At all, unless unless they're not telling you something and
like Shuck is fighting the shoulder injury or something.
Speaker 2: I don't I don't know, just trying. We're trying. We're
trying people like we're trying to justify.
Speaker 6: Like what else could you say that you're you're gonna
need a QB three off the practice squad Week one.
Speaker 2: Hey, I still got the sayings to win this week.
Speaker 6: You know, y'all y'all played the NFL. You know after
Week one, like that's the this the healthies' gonna be
all year right now. You don't need QB three. You
don't need a QB three right now. That's just my opinion.
We'll see how it goes. But hey, Mickey Loomis, well
we'll just see, you know, We'll let it play out.
We'll let the cars fall what they make.
Speaker 4: I justify it again, another justification potential. All right, They
thought that maybe at some point this season they would
need j Caner as a three per an injury or
something like that, because the offensive line was okay, and
they wanted to give j T a great to get
on with another team right now. So they just went
ahead and ripped the band off.
Speaker 3: So you think this is this is being a solid
good guy, Okay, good guys.
Speaker 7: Also, if it's like how Nick kind of says, where
Spencer Rattler's QB one right now? But who knows, maybe
Tyler Shank ended up being QB one.
Speaker 5: Wait did you say sorry, I'm getting texted. I don't
know if you already said this, I couldn't.
Speaker 7: Okay, Like, maybe in another justification in the Saints head
they've got one QB one in the form of two people, so.
Speaker 5: Maybe they they need a QB two and J.
Speaker 7: Cayner is actually the QB two and Spencer Ratlery and
Tyler Schuck are.
Speaker 4: Both Yeah, Nick, list, I asked you a question yesterday
about Spencer Rattler and all you talked about was shuck
the whole time, so.
Speaker 5: That wasn't going there.
Speaker 3: But come on, Nick, all right, all right, let's uh,
let's let's get away from this because we're only going
to continue to make ourselves more angry. We are going
to have doctor Stephen Ethridge join us in the next break.
I always look forward to having him in studio with us,
and uh, we'll break down any Saints injuries or any
injuries Michael Parsons. Yeah, right now, he's got an injury
that we'll ask doctor Stephen at Thridgabatan.
Speaker 2: We'll do it when we come back here on o
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Speaker 1: Com two thousand and seven, Champs Purple and Gold to
the core. This is off the bench with Hester and Flynn,
Baton Rouges go to for all things Louise sports us.
Speaker 2: We're hardly ever get fired up. We're bottle this up.
How I stopped myself.
Speaker 8: We're going on a date or something. How you played
jaw rule earlier, brought the juice in the firefest jaw rules.
I brought the juice to nobody.
Speaker 2: This is it? You know? You know all right, you're
getting defensive.
Speaker 3: No, because we each get to go around, we get
to choose our song.
Speaker 2: This is mine, not yours. I got it. I can
give my opinion and give the song. I love this song,
even when it has a mystery mad.
Speaker 4: You were just trying to like chill everybody out after
our Saints stock.
Speaker 2: I get it. That's what I like to do for
the game, doc.
Speaker 3: I like to so I'd always listening to, you know,
different music coming down the hill. And then once I
got back in pregame, it was like a little woosa,
like I wanted to chill out, clear mind, clear head
before I went out there and got a little crazy
for sixty minutes.
Speaker 2: You know, they gotta flush it out. Has anybody ever
heard this song? Nobody gives a damn if you've ever
heard it. You didn't hear the Nelly song that we
played earlier.
Speaker 5: Yes, you've heard the song, Yeah, thank you. It's pretty popular.
Speaker 2: Popular.
Speaker 5: You don't listen to John Mayer ever, you.
Speaker 2: Didn't know nell I thought out a little bit earlier,
so your music taste. You know what I'm doing to you.
Speaker 3: Mute Hey, Dr Etherich, We appreciate your time as always
a big weekend for you, LSU Tigers, Florida State Seminoles,
big dubs.
Speaker 9: Yeah, I'm still on cloud nine. I'm not gonna lie.
I'm gonna ride this one as long as I.
Speaker 2: So he had a couple more days.
Speaker 3: Dr Adwerds played football at Florida State and team doctor
here at LSU. So both his loves got big victories
over some pretty big teams, Florida State beating Alabama, LSU
beating Clemson.
Speaker 2: So we're always appreciative to have him in here with
us in studio.
Speaker 3: And I've got a couple of injuries that will go
over that could affect Week one in the NFL. And
you mentioned the Michael Parsons stuff, and obviously you know
this guy next to you is paying attention to that one.
He's hoping he's coming off the edge like a bat
out of hell for the Green Bay packers, and it's
always when somebody gets traded and they have an injury.
I guess it's always kind of like, okay, well, how
much do you truly know? Like I know, you know,
you know team doctors in the NFL when somebody gets
traded like that, like what is that physical exam like
once they get to you.
Speaker 9: Yeah, the whole process, I guess that's a whole discussion
with with any league, but especially the NFL with the
injuries are such a big part of it. And you know,
there's some very historically famous cases. Probably the biggest one
around here is the whole Drew Brees saga where yeah,
you know, you have to make a decision, and if
you don't want to be under the fire, you never
want to be the guy that clears somebody who's not
gonna be able to play, But you also want me
on the other side of that and say, hey, I
can't clear this guy.
Speaker 10: So it's really tough, you know.
Speaker 9: You know, that's that's that's you talk about a long
story how it affected a lot of things around here.
And so yeah, if the Michael Parsons wants a back injury,
you know, I believe they said it was a set
injury at L four L five, And those are common
injuries in the one hand, but man, backs are scary,
I'll tell you, probably more than any part of the body.
For me, spine makes me nervous, only because you can
go so many ways and you think people are progressing.
Speaker 2: You think, oh, this is.
Speaker 9: Going to get better in a week, this is going
to be whatever, and then sometimes it doesn't go that way.
Speaker 2: They can be hard to predict.
Speaker 9: And then although with the issue there there's obviously other
motivating factors. Was there an injury, Was it just wanting
to get his contract? You know, that's a whole different
discussion as well.
Speaker 4: But well, tell us what that actually means that L
four L five facet joint spring?
Speaker 2: What does that act? Is it inflammation? Is it a
nerve thing?
Speaker 3: Like?
Speaker 4: What does that actually mean to the player when they're like, okay,
well all right, all right, dot, I got a joint spring,
facet joint sprain?
Speaker 2: What is that? So?
Speaker 9: So it is mostly an inflammatory process. So the set
joints of these joints, if you ever looked at the
picture of a vertebrae, you've got the body, which is
that circular portion of the bone that kind of stacks
on top of the disks between that, but then the
portion that kind of protrudes out towards your back. So
those kind of bumps you feel on your back, you know,
those are what are called your spinus processes. And at
each level, each vertebrae has a joint with the vertebrae
above and below behind the spine, and that's what the
THEA sets are. So it's that little projection off the
back of the spine, you know. And it is a
joint just like your knee. It's got a synovial fluid
inside it, it's got a capsule that's around it, so
it's just like any other joint in the body, and
it allows.
Speaker 2: You to twist and turn and bend.
Speaker 9: But the problem is when you twist and turn and bend,
it also puts a lot of stress on that joint.
And if that joint gets inflamed, as you can imagine,
every time you arch your back, every time you twist,
every time you do a certain movement, it can be
really to the point debilitating pain, or it can also
be a mild nuisance and really anything in between.
Speaker 4: Is it one of Is it a situation to where
like because they're talking about an injection for before the game,
and I would assume I got we got injections. You know,
we've got the quarters and the light whatever it is
to help fix that. But is the injection something that
is just there as an anti inflammatory.
Speaker 9: Most of the times, yes, you know, most of the times,
what we're talking about the common treatments, you know, mild cases,
maybe some therapy, maybe an anti inflammatory medication and ibuprofen
or maybe a prescription version of that. And then you
kind of move into the injections after that. And these
are typically like you're kind of like your e SI
type injections. These are ones that you need to do
in advance. So it's not necessarily one we would do
on a game day. It's one you would go, you know,
several days or even weeks in advance, and you know
these are done under radiographic guidance. You know, oftentimes you're
put to sleep for these because they have to get
into that small space and when you're working around the spine,
you know, the difference of millimeters can be significant, so
you want to make sure the needle goes right in
the right spot. So as usually a cort zone shot
usually something to calm down the inflammation, and again the
information goes away.
Speaker 2: Problem is usually solved.
Speaker 9: There are other treatments, and the severe into that being
surgical treatments. You know, we talked about some of these
other biological conjections last week. Sometimes in some scenarios you
would use that, but the most common is just an
anti inflammatory trying to get it to settle down.
Speaker 3: So we're looking at the New Orleans Saints for this
week and they've got a lot of guys with like
some you know, muscle strains and some of those nagging
just injuries, groins, ham strings, like when you're like you're
going out there and you're trying to test that pregame
because I'm sure all these guys canna be game time decisions.
I bet they get to the stadium three and a
half four hours early, and they're all when you have
like those when you have ham strings and when you
have groins, like, what are you looking for in that
pregame kind of warm up to see if they can go?
Speaker 9: Yeah, So a lot of it you got to listen
to the athlete. You know, a lot of this is
we have to have good communication, and this is where
the relationships you have not only a position, but even
more so, this is when we really rely heavily on
our athletic trainers because you know, they're the staff that's
they're the boots in the ground, they're the ones that
are putting in the hours.
Speaker 2: They know these guys.
Speaker 10: So usually it starts with just.
Speaker 9: Doing some basic drills. You might have them even go
out there with one of their trainers. You know, a
lot of times you have specific trainers working with the
offense or defense or the position groups, So.
Speaker 10: That's usually where it starts.
Speaker 9: They'll go out there, they'll have them kind of warm
up and start off doing something and simple, and then
you build to what they would do in the game.
You know, if it's in a linement, you're going to
have him get out of his stands, You're going to
have him do his kicksteps, You're going to have him
kind of lock up on a pad.
Speaker 2: Whatever we have to do to see if he can go.
Speaker 9: You know, if it's a wide receiver, we want to
see that he can accelerate out, can he get to
full speeding. If he starts feeling that hamstring, for example, catching,
you know, then we probably aren't gonna want to go
because A, we don't want to get hurt more.
Speaker 2: That's the first and foremost priority. But then b you
want performance.
Speaker 9: And if you can't go one hundred percent, if you're
going at eighty percent speed, then you're probably not going
to be a beneficial player in most circumstances.
Speaker 4: DOC when somebody in a game, we always see the
player go down, we see the doctors, the trainers rush to,
and we see you a lot out there.
Speaker 2: You get a lot of you get a lot of
screen time.
Speaker 4: So when you go out there and you got somebody
laying and it might depend on like what body part
they're they're holding, or where you think the injury is.
What is like your go to what's the first thing
you say to a player when you run out there
and they're sitting there injured.
Speaker 9: Well, you know, hopefully hopefully not seeing too much of
me In most games, we don't like that, but you know,
I think it depends on the player too, to be
honest with you, you know, And how serious is it
when we first go out there. I mean, if it's
a real serious situation, obviously my tone, my attitude is
gonna be very different.
Speaker 10: Sometimes you get out there and you realize, hey.
Speaker 9: This guy's probably okay, he's maybe you know, you got
to based on what they look and then you might
even kind kind of crack a joke or something, or
you know, make a fun of what happened on the play.
You know, you want to get the guy's spirits better.
But in the serious situation, you know, you're starting with
the basics like, hey, are you okay? I mean, I
know that's kind of a generic question, but you know,
are you okay?
Speaker 2: What happened? What did you feel?
Speaker 9: We're trying to quickly assess on the field, that's kind
of the triage. You know, is this something where we
need to get the tent off? Do we need to
maybe take them off the field? Do we need to
leave them where they are and not move them? And
that's really what we're trying to assess in the beginning,
because you know, if it's a spine Andrew talked about,
you know, low back lips and neck injury that we're
worried about, I don't want that person moving, true, you know,
whereas if as a guy that maybe you know, just winded,
maybe a little cramp, maybe you know, took a shot
and not a desirable location.
Speaker 2: Sometimes those are things that we can and.
Speaker 3: Look, I mean whatever team like you also know, different
pain levels probably for players, and like there's probably some
people that if they're acting hurt, you're like, uh, because
I mean they're you know, it's like, I know this
person's not gonna go out there and if they're acting
like that something, so.
Speaker 2: You kind of know off that too. Right.
Speaker 9: Yeah, again, that's where again we talked about a moment
ago relationships. You know, you know the guys usually pretty well.
You know, sometimes today's aay in age today's game. Sometimes
you get newer players, takes a little bit longer with
the transfers.
Speaker 10: And right, but for the most part, we know these
guys pretty well.
Speaker 9: And again, like I keep going back to, but our
trainers they're there every day, so so you can kind
of base a lot of what we're doing on their response.
You know, we kind of lean on them a lot
because again they're they're invaluable out there.
Speaker 4: So when you're out there, like I don't want to
put you on the spot too much, but like, is
they're like one, I'm gonna put you on the spot
real quick, is it?
Speaker 8: You?
Speaker 4: Like, is there one like interaction with a player that
was hurt. That just sticks out to you as like
just being really funny or crazy. Like I'm sure you
go out there a lot and they're like I just
got hitting the balls or something like that. Like like
stuff has, but like, is there something where a guy
was like, oh my god, okay, this is pretty funny.
Speaker 10: Yeah, I mean there's well, you know there's one guy.
Speaker 9: Once they say his name because I for protection of
certain things, but every time he got down it was
it was it was a coin toss because he was
a line defensive lineman and he was I'll give that much,
and bigger guy.
Speaker 2: And then sometimes he was just tired and.
Speaker 10: So he'd go down and we're like, well, is he
tired or is he hurt?
Speaker 9: And he was also a very good actor, so you
couldn't based off his response because he'd be rolling, he'd
be looking like he's an aged and we got here, God.
Speaker 2: I just need a breath.
Speaker 10: Yeah, you know, that does happen.
Speaker 9: You know, we try not to do that, but obviously
that does happen, and in that scenario we have to be.
Speaker 4: Yeah, hey, look, we were trained to like fake yeah,
for sure, take an injury if we had like a
chin strap malfunction or something.
Speaker 2: And I know I only had the doctors come out
for me one time.
Speaker 3: It was after scored against Florida, and I couldn't buckle
my chintz drab it it come loose. I tried to
do it, and there was so much sand on the
field that sand got lodged in there. And I was
on the extra point team and we had one time out,
and I'm like, I don't want something to happen and
have to use a time out on me, like to
get you know, get me off, get Richard Dixon on,
who was my backup on extra point or whatever, and
so like, I just it was terrible acting. I just
grabbed my knee and I remember and Bear coming out there.
They're like, hey, man, what happened to here? I was
like saying him a chin strapt And then of course
Jack you can see on the TV copy, He's like,
oh my god.
Speaker 2: But look, sometimes you gotta do what you gotta do. Yeah,
do you gotta win. It's part of it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, when we were taught to be actors bad ones,
but act that real bad ones.
Speaker 2: So uh now there is kind of rules against that though.
Speaker 10: Yeah, they're they're trying.
Speaker 2: To kind of lock down that yeah, it should be, Yeah,
that should be.
Speaker 4: Did the rafts like come in and try to like
hear the conversational Make sure was he saying.
Speaker 2: Yeah, trying to hear a hustle?
Speaker 1: Uh?
Speaker 2: Doc?
Speaker 3: Also, I know, uh, Friday nights are about to kick
up here in high school football. You got Thursday games,
you got Friday games, like this is week one in
high school football, and I know you off got something
over there at the clinic if something, you know, knock
on wood does happen on Friday night, they are ready
to go.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 9: It's it's a service that we provided for for years
before even I got here, and it's something that I
think is one of the cooler things that we do
very proud of. It is every Friday night during football season,
we have an injury clinic at at Brock and basically
it's for really anybody. We say it's a football injury clinic,
but any sports injury.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 9: In fact, the first year I recovered it, my first
individual to come in was somebody from the band who
had rolled an ankle.
Speaker 2: Oh wow. Yeah.
Speaker 9: But it's a free clinic. We provide everything. If they
need X rays, they get X rays. We don't worry
about if you have insurance, if you don't, and then
whatever the scenario is from there, we try and get
those people set up with what they need. So it's
a good way to get an evaluation. And again these
are gonna be done by our orthopedist. They're gonna be
there every night. We all kind of take turns rotate
through it, so you're gonna get great care for any
sports injury that occurs. It's you know, starts at nine
o'clock on Friday nights and usually were there untilt least eleven.
Speaker 2: You know, we need to stay later.
Speaker 9: Sometimes we'll get some calls from a trainer like hey,
we're getting somebody in, you know, and it's it's a
really cool service, something that I'm.
Speaker 2: Really proud of. Yes, and hopefully you don't have to
use it right right.
Speaker 4: I mean it's football, it's tackle football, and thank god
that they do that.
Speaker 2: That's that's a really really cool deal.
Speaker 8: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I mean you'll do a great job, you know, for
where my son plays high school football. And so if
number fifty seven ever lays on the ground, time rush
some dirt on it.
Speaker 2: For sure, time to get up ain SHP injury. Let's
let's go. We gotta get out there. Doc. We appreciate
like we do every single week.
Speaker 3: Can't think enough for your time, and again, enjoy the
ride that you had this week in because you're I
saw you walk in and I don't think.
Speaker 2: Your feet hit the ground.
Speaker 10: Oh man, everything smells better, taste better.
Speaker 2: This week's great.
Speaker 3: All right, there is our guy, doctor Steven Athward's good
enough to join us here on ot B. We'll take
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Speaker 3: One of the things that popped yesterday Dabo Sweeney and
his weekly press conference there Monday press conference, like all
these coaches do, he was talking about grading the game.
His quote was, it's like getting a final exam the
first day of class. They made a sixty five, we
made a fifty eight. Neither one of us were great.
So our guy, Chris Marler asked Louisyannsports done that, asked
Brian Kelly about it during his past conference, and BK said,
I thought we dominated them in the second half. So
he's either a really good grader giving himself a fifty eight,
or he's a really hard grater on us, or he
didn't see the second half, which that might be the case.
He might not have wanted to see the second half,
was the reply from BK, And so BK was having
none of that. And again Marler put up a story
on Louisiana Sports dot Net if you want to see
the clip there, because yeah, I'm going to disagree with
Dabo as far as the grading scale there. I thought
in the first half for LSU, they were trying to
figure out what it was going to be like. Tom
Allen's coming over from Penn State. Now he's calling defenses
for Clemson. You could see Joe Sloan trying to figure
it out a little bit, a little bit of a
jab jab jab, but let's still the Haymaker in the
second half, and they were throwing body blows, head shots,
leg whips everything they could in the second half and
Clemson really had no answer for it. That second half
was dominant, and I know that it didn't end up
in points, although it should have a touchdown that wasn't
a touchdown. But they dominated as you did the second half,
and they all coach Clemson on every single level.
Speaker 2: Now that we do have video back like there.
Speaker 3: Was there was about what six players I think I
sent all yesterday if someone clipped up of everything the
offense did to keep Clemson on their heels. So, I mean,
I'm gonna agree with bk here as far as if
that's his grading system. I'd hate him as a professor,
no doubt, because I thought, if you're grading the second half,
I mean, it'd be hard not to give an a
to what LSU was able to do.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I know dser for degrees, but man, that grading
scale is pretty pretty rough there, which is fine. I
mean he's trying to like just give up, probably like
a blowoff comment, like to like say, hey man, we
got a lot of.
Speaker 2: Work to do.
Speaker 4: Both teams are really good, but they're both teams are
gonna get a lot better.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I get that, But I'm sitting here just kind of
like scrolling through tape as we're doing this show. I
just saw like monts or Dlaye make make a great
play like that was an a plus play to me.
So yeah, just like you said in the second half
where it doesn't show up in the scoreboard as much
when we win the game seventeen to ten, but it
was a more dominant performance than a seventeen ten scoreboard finale.
Speaker 6: I mean, you got to touchdown taken away.
Speaker 4: You gotta touchdown taken away if they played a game right.
Speaker 3: Now now that you've seen that, because during Saturday in
the group chat during the game, you were kind of like,
I don't really know, I can understand it. Yeah, And
then I don't know you're answered to this. I'm asking like,
now that you've seen it, what do you think of that?
Speaker 2: What I think is I don't really know the rule.
Speaker 3: Oh, I mean, I'm not trying to be funny. I
don't think they do.
Speaker 4: Actually, I looked up the rule yesterday and the rule
does not It does not go into as much granular
detail as you would think, right. So it's always been
my opinion if that if the receiver starts to make
us catch with his momentum going.
Speaker 2: Towards the ground, he has to finish it through the ground. Right.
But then that wasn't.
Speaker 3: The case on Saturday when he caught the football he
established himself in bounds.
Speaker 4: Well, because are you saying he established himself because of
two steps.
Speaker 3: He established himself because he wasn't falling.
Speaker 4: I agreed that it is a catch. I'm just saying
when it happened, when I was watching it live and
we were all texting each other, I watched it and
the replay came back, it's like, oh, that's not a
catch because his momentum is going towards the ground when
the ball hits his hands, like he's going towards the ground,
even though he makes two steps as he's fall.
Speaker 3: And then he hits the pylon, which does any level
of football, that's a touchdown. I agree with his possession
pylon with possession.
Speaker 4: It's just not like the what it catches needs to
be more defiant. It is a catch, I know, and
that like the it's such a hypocritical rule that power
sharp can take almost two steps and be called a fumble,
and we can't take two steps hit a pilon and
it's called incomplete. Path Like, how can you have possession
and fumble?
Speaker 2: I can just be the same. How can it be
the same thing. It has to be considered. It can't
be hypocritical on one side.
Speaker 4: It can't be both going again, both rules not judge
the same, but they both penalized the offense.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And so obviously I'm not watching the TV copy.
I'm calling the game. But apparently the rules analyst was like,
that's a catch.
Speaker 6: He was like, he was like, it's a catch, got
his foot inbounds, hit the pilon, that's a touchdown. And
so me watching, like I'm watching the TV copy, I'm like, oh, touchdown.
So I didn't know no point to either in the booth.
So at no point in time when the referee came
in there to give the call when he said, I
was never a thought on my mind was he's going
to say incomplete. It was either going to be down
at the one or touchdown. So when he said incomplete
and then you missed the kick, I was like, oh,
here we go, here we go.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 3: It felt like in that moment, like those are things
that lose football games because think about the momentum that
you went from. We got it on the one. Oh
my god, we scored and when they went in, that's
the only thing we thought they were looking at. When
that man came back there and said incomplete pass.
Speaker 6: Couldn't believe it.
Speaker 3: I was hot on the CB was too, and I
felt bad because Gordy's like, well you know.
Speaker 2: I was like, no, I don't know. I don't know, Gordy,
I needmore. You didn't like our group jet then no.
Speaker 3: I hated it in fact, but you're lucky I was
concentrating on the game and not just doing this to
the buttons, texting you back.
Speaker 2: You're too close to the case because it was not
a cat does did not have a catch, has.
Speaker 3: Caught that ball twice incomplete. I get why you're I
get why you're like that, but that was a catch.
Speaker 2: I agree l s U's was a catch. Death was
not a catch. Behame.
Speaker 4: It's okay, but they got rid of that rule right,
Like you had to finish every catch through the ground,
no matter how many steps, right.
Speaker 6: I mean, we think so nobody can really tell you
what the catch is.
Speaker 2: Nobody can, Like I literally looked up the rule book yesterday.
Speaker 6: Oh it's funny we say that because then.
Speaker 4: Talk about that situation. Yeah, they didn't talk about steps.
Speaker 6: It just happened. In the South Carolina game, Virginia ted
with Harbor. They didn't count this touchdown either, So I
was like, you know what, they let that one. They
didn't count down on either. I'm not gonna trip too
hard about Barrier, even though I still feel like Baron
Brown scored the fact that they they didn't call that
for Nick Harbor. I was like, okay, all right, yeah
that was that was bs too.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I will say this final point before we
take this break. To have that happen to you missed
the kick, yes, and still not let momentum go to
Clemson for the rest of the game. That kind of
shows you the DNA and the wiring of this group
is different than it has been in the past one
hundred because you agree that.
Speaker 4: Because they got that crazy dude energy on defense. That's
why I.
Speaker 2: Mean, let's call it like it is. They have mead
heead energy on defense.
Speaker 3: Yep, they've got the perfect amount of meathead with skill
with high football IQ and just dog it.
Speaker 2: Yes.
Speaker 4: And I'm like, as we're going, as we're talking right now,
I'm like flipping through the actual eleven on eleven game
film right now as we're and I can't even see
numbers a lot of times because it's the zoomed out
sideline version.
Speaker 2: And we got to be so excited about our DBS.
Speaker 4: I mean, we're talking lockdown corner play right now, both
sides of the ball.
Speaker 2: It's very impressive. So much energy go south.
Speaker 3: You notice how LSU was trying to hurry up after
the play. They knew it would be incomplete. Actually, if
you go back and you watch the All twenty two,
I don't know what the TV showed.
Speaker 2: They weren't.
Speaker 3: They actually were checking in the line of scrimmage on
the next play. I thought, actually ghost out they would.
I thought they would actually rush to the line. But
if you go back, because I pointed that out on
the broadcast, they.
Speaker 2: Know they weren't.
Speaker 3: They were kind of like nus Meyer was pointing and
getting people kind of lined up, and so I think
and if you watch the LSU coaches sideline, they were
signaling touchdown. That's what they were trying to get. They
weren't trying to hurry up and get a play because
they thought it was incomplete. I talked with one of
the coaches after the game and they said, no, no,
we we knew it was a touchdown and not down
at the one, and that's what we were trying to
signal there. So they were as surprised as we were.
Speaker 4: It was clear and obvious, like live that it was
a touch like that he had caught it and cross
the across the pieline like of course, nobody saw the
bobble at the end, like the ground moved the ball. Yeah,
but like for that guy to mark it down at
the one was pretty.
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