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Speaker 2: Now, what are your reporting? I got a screen going
Speaker 2: on here. Something just kid with my dog. Something to
Speaker 2: kill your dog? My dog. We're flying through there over
Speaker 2: the tree. I don't know how it did it? Okay, damn,
Speaker 2: I'm really confused. All I saw was my dog coming
Speaker 2: over the fence, and name was dead once you hit
Speaker 2: the ground. I didn't see any cars. All I saw
Speaker 2: was my dog coming over the fence. Sat, what are
Speaker 2: you reporting? We got some wonder or something crawling around
Speaker 2: out here? Did you see what it was? It was
Speaker 2: enough out here looking them do the one down now
Speaker 2: and I don't need anything. I don't want to go outside. Hello,
Speaker 2: hit the boddy out here? What quin I'm out there?
Speaker 2: I've thought of a bitch of about tech foot nine.
Speaker 2: I don't know. Easy am out there? Yeah, I'm walking right, heady.
Speaker 3: Our folks will walk up. My guest to the show.
Speaker 1: It is Jerry from North Carolina. Welcome to the show.
Speaker 3: Man. Thank you for having me. What an honor. I
Speaker 3: appreciate it.
Speaker 1: I am glad to have you here.
Speaker 4: Man.
Speaker 1: I say this every time this happens.
Speaker 3: It's rare.
Speaker 1: These days that I actually get to meet somebody in
Speaker 1: person and then have them on the show. It is
Speaker 1: one of my favorite things in the world to actually
Speaker 1: meet somebody in person and then get them on the
Speaker 1: show to talk about their experiences. You and I hung
Speaker 1: out together up in South Carolina at the Westminster Bigfoot
Speaker 1: Festival just a couple of months ago. We're not here
Speaker 1: to talk about that, though, We're here to talk about
Speaker 1: your experiences. I'm going to start where I start with
Speaker 1: everybody when I bring them on the show. What in
Speaker 1: the world got you interested in the subject of bigfoot
Speaker 1: sasquatch to begin with, you call.
Speaker 3: It a three. When I was a kid I fifty
Speaker 3: eight now, so in the seventies, the movie that initially
Speaker 3: caught my attention was The Legend of Boggie Creek. My
Speaker 3: granddaddy took me to see it, and gosh, being a
Speaker 3: kid that was raised in the country in the woods,
Speaker 3: that captured my imagination and made me think. But as
Speaker 3: I grew older, of course I never disbelieved, but it
Speaker 3: certainly was something that was far out of my mind.
Speaker 3: I checked a book out at Fort Bragg Library when
Speaker 3: I was stationed there, and it was called The Bigfoot
Speaker 3: Case book, and lo and behold, I found a whole
Speaker 3: mess of sightings from the area in and around where
Speaker 3: I grew up in North Carolina. So that kind of
Speaker 3: snagged my attention a little bit, made me want to
Speaker 3: see a couple of the other movies that came out
Speaker 3: after Legend of Bogie Creek. But fast forward from then
Speaker 3: to about twenty thirteen. The summer of twenty thirteen, so
Speaker 3: we bought this place here in the foothills of North Carolina,
Speaker 3: middle of nowhere. I have tens of thousands of aker's
Speaker 3: of wilderness around me to explore in Roland. So we
Speaker 3: bought the place and we started coming up on the weekends.
Speaker 3: Before we moved lock Stock and Beryl and I started hiking.
Speaker 3: Brother and I hiked. I would leave out on a
Speaker 3: Sunday morning. I'd be gone all day, and I started
Speaker 3: finding tree breaks. I had no clue. I wasn't a
Speaker 3: Sasquatch guy, other than to say I liked it from
Speaker 3: an entertainment standpoint. But I found one, and then two,
Speaker 3: and then three, and then four and so on, And
Speaker 3: finally I was watching something on TV. I forget the show,
Speaker 3: but I saw a guy there. He's written several books,
Speaker 3: and his name escaped me. He wrote Beyond Boggy Creek
Speaker 3: in that whole series of books. I emailed him and
Speaker 3: I said, can you tell me about these tree breaks?
Speaker 3: Does that mean anything? Because they were mentioned in that
Speaker 3: little documentary I watched, and he said, yeah, it definitely
Speaker 3: means something. If you're finding a lot of them. They're
Speaker 3: all broken up high broken while they're alive, or broken
Speaker 3: while they were green, as we say, so, that really
Speaker 3: put it on my radar. My mind is beginning to
Speaker 3: think could it be possible. I started reading more, watching
Speaker 3: more documentaries, but then totally out of nowhere. In August
Speaker 3: of twenty seventeen, my wife and I turned on to
Speaker 3: the road we live on. It's about nine thirty at night.
Speaker 3: There was a cornfield off on the left, and as
Speaker 3: we made the right hand turn, it lit that cornfield
Speaker 3: up and that there was one standing outside the corn
Speaker 3: just a few feet from the road. Though it was
Speaker 3: a split second, that image burned into my mind. As
Speaker 3: it registered, I hit the brakes and I said, keep
Speaker 3: an eye on it. I wanted to back the car
Speaker 3: up and put the headlights on the cornfield. By the
Speaker 3: time I got situated the creature was already in the
Speaker 3: corn butt. You could see above the corn stalks its
Speaker 3: head as it walked away. It wasn't running, that certainly
Speaker 3: was moving at a pretty good pace, large distance between
Speaker 3: its steps. That night, the bug bit me. That's what
Speaker 3: I like to say. That bug bit me, and I
Speaker 3: went to a state of wanting answers. I wanted to
Speaker 3: know as much as possible. I had to woe the
Speaker 3: reins back on that horse, because I would teeter on obsession.
Speaker 3: The one saving grace there in the beginning was me
Speaker 3: and my wife decided not to talk to anybody about
Speaker 3: it outside of just a couple of people. Then we
Speaker 3: had some other experiences. We had some vocalizations that we
Speaker 3: begin to hear, And just to hitch you with my theory,
Speaker 3: I believe it was a time period when this group,
Speaker 3: with this clan of Sasquatches had moved into the area,
Speaker 3: because I fully believed that they wronged their nomadic so
Speaker 3: to speak. Who knows why, but lots of vocalizations, the
Speaker 3: tree knocks and the whoops all the while, I've got
Speaker 3: it in the back of my head are we being hoaxed?
Speaker 3: And the longer it went, the more that I came
Speaker 3: to the reality that we were not being coached unless
Speaker 3: there was an entire team of oaksures who were working
Speaker 3: twelve hour shifts after the sunsets to three or four
Speaker 3: in the morning. Then in twenty nineteen, I saw two
Speaker 3: different creatures at two different times. One was standing just
Speaker 3: outside the woodline. That was another split second thing. It
Speaker 3: appeared very much smaller than the first one I saw.
Speaker 3: I could tell that it was same species, but I
Speaker 3: think it was probably a juvenile five feet tall something
Speaker 3: like that. A couple months later, December of twenty nineteen,
Speaker 3: a family member of mine was staying here with us
Speaker 3: for the Christmas holidays, and we both got to see
Speaker 3: another one. And now this one was back to being
Speaker 3: a creature that was full grown. We extrapolated based on
Speaker 3: the tree that we saw it standing near that night,
Speaker 3: it'd be about seven and a half foot tall, the
Speaker 3: broad shoulders, the no neck, the big size. I remembered
Speaker 3: that about the first sighting of just how much it
Speaker 3: struck me of how gargantuan this thing was in wits
Speaker 3: not to mention hot, And that was a split couple
Speaker 3: of seconds and it was gone. It cleared my four
Speaker 3: foot filled fence just stepped over it and was gone.
Speaker 3: I began to spend a huge amount of time outside
Speaker 3: at nay. I always go out to check on my
Speaker 3: farm animals. You never know. We have lamas, alpacas, goats, turkeys,
Speaker 3: the whole gamut, and we have a bunch of dogs.
Speaker 3: Right now, I think we're at eleven. So the nighttime,
Speaker 3: I would start taking a dog or two out at
Speaker 3: a time, and I would try to spend at least
Speaker 3: an hour outside listening. We begin to accumulate these experiences.
Speaker 3: I took the risk of deciding to talk to a
Speaker 3: few people who live local, and a couple of those
Speaker 3: risks I took paid off tremendously because I found a
Speaker 3: neighbor of hours. They were willing to share the experiences
Speaker 3: that they had. I just kept going. I had a
Speaker 3: little more boldness. I wasn't ready to come out and
Speaker 3: tell the world I believe in Sasquatch. I believe I've
Speaker 3: seen them. There was just a real small circle of
Speaker 3: people that I talked to about it. And then in
Speaker 3: twenty twenty, I had taken a job here to small
Speaker 3: town a chaser on your line, and the lady that
Speaker 3: owned the store was in our inner circle. So she
Speaker 3: got a call one day from Fox Nation. They advised
Speaker 3: her that they were will be doing a documentary about
Speaker 3: our local Bigfoot. We'd call them Nobby or Nobby's. And
Speaker 3: they asked her if they could use the store as
Speaker 3: their headquarters, because we don't have a town hall, brown
Speaker 3: we don't even have stop lot, and she said yes.
Speaker 3: Then they asked her, do you know somebody at my interview?
Speaker 3: So she called me and asked me. Gave me the
Speaker 3: number for this guy out there in LA and I
Speaker 3: called him and I said, Okay, I'll do it. I'll
Speaker 3: talk about the things I've experienced, I'll talk about what
Speaker 3: I've learned from people, but you're going to have to
Speaker 3: silhouette me and disguise my voice. So they agree, the
Speaker 3: time came, they filled and then about six months later
Speaker 3: they aired it, except they forgot the disguise moubles. And
Speaker 3: when something happens around here in this community, it doesn't
Speaker 3: take long for everybody to know it. So everybody in
Speaker 3: three counties knew that it was that dude that works
Speaker 3: at the store that was on a Bigfoot documentary talking
Speaker 3: about this thing. I suffered from the same fear as
Speaker 3: everybody else did. Fear of ridicule. I feared somebody mocking
Speaker 3: me or doing something to push me to the point
Speaker 3: of me losing my temper or something like that. But
Speaker 3: it never happened. It never happened, not one time. And
Speaker 3: then the dangerous thing happened. People started coming to the store,
Speaker 3: a few at a time telling me their stories. Some
Speaker 3: of them required anonymity, some of them didn't, And so
Speaker 3: I started having the great vantage point of being able
Speaker 3: to hear people's stories, which that's my love. I want
Speaker 3: to hear about people's experiences from their mouths, with their words,
Speaker 3: and I was privileged enough for that to start happening now. Meanwhile,
Speaker 3: my cousin and four or five other people that rounded
Speaker 3: after group. My cousin came on board on the big
Speaker 3: Foot track. He said, can we do a cap out?
Speaker 3: I said sure, absolutely. This was in November of twenty twenty,
Speaker 3: before that show ever aired, so I was still kind
Speaker 3: of in the shadows. We set up in a creek
Speaker 3: bottom devised our game plan. About nine point thirty that night,
Speaker 3: we went on a Nike hike. It was mostly without incidant,
Speaker 3: except to say we heard a tree knock. The tree
Speaker 3: knock came from a direction in the woods where there's
Speaker 3: just woods laid note of that. We would stop and
Speaker 3: sit and listen, and then start until we reached our
Speaker 3: terminus point. We turned around and started heading back to camp.
Speaker 3: In about five minutes from getting to camp, a rock
Speaker 3: came in from our right. That part of the property
Speaker 3: was logged about ten years ago, so it was fairly
Speaker 3: thick with undergrows and saplings. The rock came out, barely
Speaker 3: missed my friend's head I'm going to say six or
Speaker 3: eight inches, and landed in the trail next to our left.
Speaker 3: We saw it hit and roll and everybody stopped. I
Speaker 3: never thought that I would be witnessed to something like that,
Speaker 3: so big rock, and it came in not like a
Speaker 3: baseball throw, but like a mortar ramp, a big arch
Speaker 3: on it. Had that hit one of us in the head,
Speaker 3: we would have definitely been heading to the hospital, hopefully
Speaker 3: not the funeral. So that became a thing for us
Speaker 3: that group. We would camp out once in the late winter,
Speaker 3: once in the spring. Meanwhile, I was fortunate enough to
Speaker 3: meet Bob Trent and Dwight Campbell now Bob and DWIGHTE
Speaker 3: and Tim Dill's started the group. That's the time it
Speaker 3: was called Dirty South Squatching. Now it's called Sasquatch recon
Speaker 3: But I reached out to Dwight and I said, hey, man,
Speaker 3: I've got a million questions. I don't have anybody to
Speaker 3: talk to. Nobody was the experience. I'm getting to hear
Speaker 3: people's stories, but all of us are in the same boat.
Speaker 3: We're having these experiences. I can read and I can
Speaker 3: watch documentaries, but it's not the same as talking to
Speaker 3: a man or a woman who's been boots on the
Speaker 3: ground and who have had their own experiences. And that
Speaker 3: those fellows had a tremendous amount of woods tile under
Speaker 3: their belt. So they started bringing me along. We did
Speaker 3: another camp out the following year in November. This was,
Speaker 3: I guess you would say the fourth most significant sighting
Speaker 3: that I ever experienced. We did the exact same thing.
Speaker 3: This group, including my cousin his wife. We decided, actually
Speaker 3: he decided, he said, Hey, I'm going to bring my
Speaker 3: wife to see if having a female in the group
Speaker 3: makes any difference. So we really didn't experience anything. We
Speaker 3: went on a night hike and we got to the
Speaker 3: end where we would always stop just sit down and listen.
Speaker 3: And my cousin had bought a thermal scope, and everybody
Speaker 3: was watching their sector. We were listening and I hear
Speaker 3: him comming name. He said, Jerry, come here, come in.
Speaker 3: She was holding the scope. He said, don't move the
Speaker 3: sk go just put your eye to it and look.
Speaker 3: And as I did, I could see the signature of
Speaker 3: a large tree, but on each side of the tree
Speaker 3: was some heat, and immediately to me it looked like shoulders,
Speaker 3: and I was studying that picture, and suddenly it peeked
Speaker 3: out around from the tree and I could see the
Speaker 3: heat signature of a face, definitely different than a human.
Speaker 3: You could tell that there was a lot of hair,
Speaker 3: and I said, it just looked at me. He said,
Speaker 3: it's been doing that for several minutes, and I watched
Speaker 3: it and it did it again. Several of us got
Speaker 3: our turn looking through that thermal scope, and then my
Speaker 3: cousin got the scope back and he was keeping us
Speaker 3: all updated. He said, okay, it's moving. My first thought
Speaker 3: it was coming toward us, and I was excited and
Speaker 3: scared at the same time. He said, no, it's moving backward.
Speaker 3: It was literally walking backwards, and finally it walked in
Speaker 3: such a manner that it got out of the line
Speaker 3: of sight. The tree was no longer blocking it for
Speaker 3: just a couple of seconds before it disappeared into the brush.
Speaker 1: Stay tuned for more sasquatch out to see. We'll be
Speaker 1: right back after these messages.
Speaker 3: After we discussed that, and when we waited. Oh, and
Speaker 3: we also picked up the smell. I left that part out,
Speaker 3: the heavy smell, the classic coop mixed with maybe a
Speaker 3: tiny bit of skunk or wet dog or god knows what.
Speaker 3: But we just sat and waited, hoping it would come back,
Speaker 3: or hoping one of its friends would come back. And
Speaker 3: it did not. We hiked back to camp. We set
Speaker 3: around the campfire for a little bit. We all went
Speaker 3: to bed. At three o'clock in the morning. We woke
Speaker 3: up and we were surrounded on three sides. They were
Speaker 3: moving off in the brush on three sides of us,
Speaker 3: walking slowly. Several people in the group were terrified. I
Speaker 3: listened to the creature's walk, and I guess I must
Speaker 3: have been really tired. We couldn't see anything with the thermal.
Speaker 3: They were too deep into the brush, as the Appalachian
Speaker 3: brush can be very deep, especially in a creep bottom.
Speaker 3: So I fell asleep, woke up the next morning, and
Speaker 3: two people actually stayed awake all night and they said
Speaker 3: that for another hour they heard the creatures walking around us.
Speaker 3: People will say, was that a bear. No, bears don't
Speaker 3: travel in numbers like that, and bears aren't gonna split
Speaker 3: up to surround the camp. That's not a bear's behavior.
Speaker 3: Do you think it was people? And my answer is
Speaker 3: always not around here, because they know better. If you're
Speaker 3: creeping around somebody's house or somebody's camp at night, you
Speaker 3: may not come out of it too well. So Bob,
Speaker 3: Tim and Dwight would come up here some and we
Speaker 3: would just set up their equipment and here and there
Speaker 3: we got some good evidence. But along the way, Bright,
Speaker 3: there's been so many different incidents, and honestly, usually they
Speaker 3: catch me off guard. I've been armed with the Sony
Speaker 3: stereophonic recorder now for about three and a half years,
Speaker 3: got a couple hundred hours of wood knocks and whoops
Speaker 3: and howls. I haven't heard the howls many time, but
Speaker 3: that's the most terrifying of the sounds that we hear.
Speaker 3: This howl. The first time that I heard it, it
Speaker 3: haunted me because it was so close down there in
Speaker 3: the creek bottom, and I couldn't get it off my mind.
Speaker 3: Then another incident occurred the bottom of my pasture. If
Speaker 3: I have an animal on account it for, I have
Speaker 3: to go find it. This one particular night, I was
Speaker 3: down looking for the animal and I heard whistling from
Speaker 3: the woods. Wasn't a bird. I'm a western North Carolina boy.
Speaker 3: I'm going to tell you every night sound a bird
Speaker 3: will make everyday sound, and it was not. Then a
Speaker 3: couple weeks later, same scenario. I was just sweeping the
Speaker 3: woods with my spotlight and I hit a pair of
Speaker 3: red eyes, which unnerved me. I had seen green eye
Speaker 3: shine a number of occasions, but of course the red
Speaker 3: eye shine stood out. I'd never seen that, and I
Speaker 3: knew it wasn't a fox or a panther. They'll have
Speaker 3: more of an orangish red, even a yellow, but the
Speaker 3: height and the distance between those two eyes. Then another occasion,
Speaker 3: same thing, going after one of my animals to go
Speaker 3: get it. It got down at the bottom of the
Speaker 3: hill and I got yelled at it was either it
Speaker 3: took a deep breath in or blew a deep breath
Speaker 3: out and then yelled, growled extremely loudly, and I had
Speaker 3: gotten to the point that I didn't want to go
Speaker 3: in the woods at all by myself, which is completely
Speaker 3: and totally out of my character. That last thing that
Speaker 3: happened with the growl, it was thirty forty feet from
Speaker 3: me into the woodline. It was that close. I was
Speaker 3: under I don't know a spell, I don't know what
Speaker 3: to call it. I was in a mental funk. I
Speaker 3: went so far as to talk to my friend who's
Speaker 3: a retired counselor. He gave me some pointers. Then my
Speaker 3: cousin's mothers gave me a pep talk, said, look, you
Speaker 3: just need to pray for protection. Don't do anything dumb,
Speaker 3: just be observant. Nothing down there's going to hurt you.
Speaker 3: And she had a point because out of all the
Speaker 3: people that I had spoken with who had come to
Speaker 3: me with their stories, never heard a story of anyone
Speaker 3: being hurt, actually hurt. The closest thing we get is
Speaker 3: the rock throw I've been present for three different rock
Speaker 3: throwing incidents now, and the last time happened in August
Speaker 3: of last year. My wife and I was walking in
Speaker 3: the creek in a more remote area, an area we'd
Speaker 3: never been. We got a couple of woodenknocks, one on
Speaker 3: each side of the creek. And this was broad daylight.
Speaker 3: Mind you, here, we don't have virtually anything happens bigfoot
Speaker 3: wise in the daytime. Maybe three times have I heard
Speaker 3: of vocalization during the daylight. But these woodenknocks came from
Speaker 3: both sides of us, fairly close. I'm gonna say fifty
Speaker 3: to seventy five feet. We stopped. I talked her into
Speaker 3: taking a knee, and we just watched and listened. She
Speaker 3: watched one direction, I watched the other. We had nothing
Speaker 3: further happen, so we got up to start walking. Just
Speaker 3: about five minutes on the creek, a rock come in
Speaker 3: as a piece of quartz. It was a little bit
Speaker 3: smaller in the soft ball, a little bit bigger than
Speaker 3: the baseball, and it missed her head by six inches.
Speaker 3: I was directly behind her, and I saw the rock
Speaker 3: as it went over her head and it splashed in
Speaker 3: the water. And I thought to myself, if this creature
Speaker 3: wanted to hurt one of us, it's close enough. Obviously
Speaker 3: it could hit us if it wanted to. My wife
Speaker 3: she said, we're gone. She said, you can stay here
Speaker 3: if you want to. She looked like she was water
Speaker 3: skiing on that creek without a both pulling her. Hopefully
Speaker 3: she'll go back in the woods with me. Sometimes that
Speaker 3: was pretty scary, especially considering she's had far less experiences
Speaker 3: than I have. She's had a number of experiences, but
Speaker 3: that would have been her first close end encounters. We
Speaker 3: continue to hear the vocalizations this time of year where
Speaker 3: I live, cold weather is when things ramp up. The
Speaker 3: thing that I was told way back by some of
Speaker 3: the old timers that here where I live, i'm at
Speaker 3: the foot of the South Mountains, that these creatures during
Speaker 3: the summer, the older ones and the ones who are
Speaker 3: infirm may move back to higher ground because it's cooler
Speaker 3: in the summer of one thousand and fifteen hundred feet higher,
Speaker 3: and it may be the younger ones stay back to
Speaker 3: make sure that they still have a claim on their territory.
Speaker 3: I think that we have two groups. I think we
Speaker 3: have one clan living southwest of US, and I think
Speaker 3: we have another clan of them living separate north of US.
Speaker 3: Found footprints in both locations. Another huge piece of evidence
Speaker 3: is the deer kills that we find, not just one
Speaker 3: or two. But we've found two different areas with just
Speaker 3: a lot of deer kills. You're talking in each area
Speaker 3: less than an acre. We see the ribs are broken,
Speaker 3: they're literally snapped inwards. We find that the deers had
Speaker 3: broken legs, twisted necks, and both areas are in a
Speaker 3: place where it's the ideal spot if you're going to
Speaker 3: do the weight and ambush style of kill. I believe
Speaker 3: that they have the chasers or the pushers, and humans
Speaker 3: do this too. Then you have the watchers or the waiters.
Speaker 3: They get in the holler on each side. The pushers
Speaker 3: push the deer, hen they funnel into the holler, and
Speaker 3: they kill them. I think when they grab them, they
Speaker 3: do whatever they have to do to immobilize that deer.
Speaker 3: However it works out they're able to break a leg first,
Speaker 3: or they're able to just crush the rib cage or
Speaker 3: break the neck. I'm gonna say we found at least
Speaker 3: fourteen different carcasses in different stages of decay with these
Speaker 3: very odd injuries. I found a deer that had both
Speaker 3: of its front legs pulled off together the legs were
Speaker 3: still attached. I think I mentioned finding footprints. I have
Speaker 3: found now a couple dozen different footprints. In some cases
Speaker 3: I found a whole line of tracks. I found tracks
Speaker 3: from six in all the way up to seventeen inches.
Speaker 3: I think that usually what we find our juvenile tracks,
Speaker 3: or let me quantify that by saying, I believe that
Speaker 3: they're adolescent tracks, and I believe the adolescents are just
Speaker 3: like human adolescents, more care free, less experienced, less wise,
Speaker 3: and they're more prone to leave some careless footprints here there.
Speaker 3: They've made a habit of coming here up the hill,
Speaker 3: out of the woods, literally into our backyard. One of
Speaker 3: their favorite things is to help themselves to some grain
Speaker 3: out of the barrels in the barn, which is fine
Speaker 3: with me. I'll share more times than I've kept count of.
Speaker 3: In the middle of the night, twelve o'clock, one o'clock,
Speaker 3: two o'clock in the morning, we're awakened by something banging
Speaker 3: the living hell out of the side of our house.
Speaker 3: The most recent thing similar to that was something hit
Speaker 3: the floor of our front porch it's a wooden porch,
Speaker 3: and knocked one of the rocking chairs off the porch.
Speaker 3: We've had our long furniture. One time in particular, Natcy
Speaker 3: went outside in our little long table out there that
Speaker 3: we set around sipped coffee. It was turned upside down
Speaker 3: and twenty feet away from the lord it's supposed to be.
Speaker 3: The chairs were scattered. I had some coals winged up
Speaker 3: against one of my dog kennels. Those were scattered all about.
Speaker 3: My wife had a sink that she would use to
Speaker 3: wash the dogs in. That sink was in two pieces
Speaker 3: and strown. There was some just a number of different objects,
Speaker 3: and it looked like a group of adolescent bogers, as
Speaker 3: we call them. I think they did it just for mischief.
Speaker 3: I think they're the same as adolescent humans would be.
Speaker 3: I used to keep a record of each and every
Speaker 3: individual vocalization that I heard, each and every incident that occurred.
Speaker 3: I should still be doing that if I was disciplined enough.
Speaker 3: But it just became too numerous, it became too tedious.
Speaker 3: So what I try to stay on top of now
Speaker 3: is if the major things that happened, I make sure
Speaker 3: that I write them now was fresh in my mind,
Speaker 3: or do a video. The most recent, very significant thing
Speaker 3: that happened back in June, I went outside to check
Speaker 3: on the animals because my neighbor's dogs were absolutely going crazy.
Speaker 3: We've had that occur before, and it proved that we
Speaker 3: had a creature or too close to the pasture. So
Speaker 3: I went into the pasture. The goats and the alpacas
Speaker 3: were all against the eastern side of my fence. The
Speaker 3: alpacas had assumed a guard stance. They were on alert. Now,
Speaker 3: alpacas are very good guard animals, and they make a
Speaker 3: warning sound, the high pitched things, and they were doing that,
Speaker 3: and I looked to ascertain what direction they were staring at,
Speaker 3: because they certainly were staring in one direction. I ran
Speaker 3: back inside and grabbed my fall in a better spotlight,
Speaker 3: and I came out and started spotlight in the woods
Speaker 3: and systematically taking my way over to where they were
Speaker 3: staring at it. Because I had spotlighted, at first, I
Speaker 3: didn't see anything, and I just kept sweeping back and forth.
Speaker 3: Finally I opened my phone up and I took my
Speaker 3: video and I zoomed in. I was using my phone
Speaker 3: more as binoculars at the time. I didn't have any
Speaker 3: night vision anything like that. The only piece of equipment
Speaker 3: I had was my recorder and lo and behold about
Speaker 3: the last fifteen seconds of the video. Around one hundred
Speaker 3: forty yards down the hill diagonally southwest of me, there
Speaker 3: was this tall, either gray or wide creature that just
Speaker 3: walked into plain sight there where I was spotlighting. It
Speaker 3: almost seemed to stop and look at me, and then
Speaker 3: it looked away and it disappeared. I can't say that
Speaker 3: is a foresure bigfoot sighting. My old personal theory is
Speaker 3: that as an elderly Sasquatch, There's been a number of
Speaker 3: witnesses that I've interviewed over the last four years that
Speaker 3: reported see a gray or a white Sasquatch. I think
Speaker 3: I was seeing that. I think that it was older
Speaker 3: and it had slimmed down, just like a human wood
Speaker 3: when you get older. Some people get older and they
Speaker 3: get really skinny. I had Bob and Dwhite. They came out,
Speaker 3: and Bob set his cameras up and we did a recreation.
Speaker 3: He set the cameras up where I was filming that night.
Speaker 3: We were very fortunate because the creature was near fence
Speaker 3: post in a writing ring, and these fence posts on
Speaker 3: six feet high, so we had that measurement to go
Speaker 3: off of, and by the time we did the recreation,
Speaker 3: conservatively eight and a half feet probably nine feet talk.
Speaker 3: I had a sighting of something I couldn't swear one
Speaker 3: hundred percent rind that it was a sasquatch, but it
Speaker 3: wasn't a human being. It was definitely not a human being.
Speaker 3: Very significant footage. I've sent it to some people, and
Speaker 3: I'll certainly send it to you if you would like
Speaker 3: to see it and give me your take on it.
Speaker 3: Because I read your book. You got some good takes
Speaker 3: on everything, Bro, I will gladly do that. So now
Speaker 3: where I'm at right now, all of these experiences that
Speaker 3: I've had, the vocalizations, You've got tree knocks, whoops, this yell,
Speaker 3: this growling, hollow the house. And again, I've heard the howls,
Speaker 3: definitely less than twelve times. I'm going to say eight
Speaker 3: or ten times. That's the most terrifying of the things
Speaker 3: we hear. We've heard the whistling. I've heard them mimicking owls.
Speaker 3: I've heard them mimicking dogs. I've heard of mimicking coyotes.
Speaker 3: And I saved one for last because this one is
Speaker 3: going to spark your imagination. I had a friend who
Speaker 3: wanted to come camping here with his family. He brought
Speaker 3: his seven year old nine year old, his wife, his
Speaker 3: nineteen year old, twenty one year old, and they camped
Speaker 3: in the creek by them, same spot where we always camp.
Speaker 3: That night, Daddy was asleep, Mama was falling asleep. The
Speaker 3: kids walker up and said, Mama, there's somebody in the woods.
Speaker 3: She got out of the tent and she heard a
Speaker 3: voice up in the laurel thicket and she said, I
Speaker 3: don't know what it was saying. It was some kind
Speaker 3: of a language that I don't understand. I didn't understand.
Speaker 3: I've never heard anything like it, And so she said,
Speaker 3: I am so sorry if we disturbed you. We will
Speaker 3: try to keep it down, and immediately off in another direction.
Speaker 3: Another gibberish voice that sounded very angry responded to her,
Speaker 3: and then finally the original one that will speaking this
Speaker 3: gibberish language said something else, and so the family gathered around.
Speaker 3: She woke dad up, and they really didn't know what
Speaker 3: to do. They eventually, within ten minutes were surrounded on
Speaker 3: several sides as well, so they elected to pack up
Speaker 3: that night and get out of there. They were camping
Speaker 3: off the old logging road down there, so you can
Speaker 3: get a truck in there. Fortunately they had their truck,
Speaker 3: just threw all their gear, willing nearly in the truck
Speaker 3: and got out. Sent me a text for me to see,
Speaker 3: oh look up to say call me asap. They told
Speaker 3: me the story. So I've never heard the gibberish, but
Speaker 3: now that has been documented to have taken place here
Speaker 3: in this area.
Speaker 1: And stay tuned for more Sasquat chat to see we'll
Speaker 1: be right back after these messages. It sounds very similar
Speaker 1: because we're both in North Carolina. I think you're about
Speaker 1: an hour and a half away from me, give or takes.
Speaker 1: The crow flies having these experiences, and that is the
Speaker 1: first thing that we had happened on our property was
Speaker 1: the vocalizations. I think you and I talked about that
Speaker 1: when we were in Westminster just a couple of months ago.
Speaker 1: And that is a very unnerving thing in and of itself.
Speaker 1: The first time we heard it, it was probably a mile
Speaker 1: and a half away in this big area behind us that's.
Speaker 3: Nothing but woods.
Speaker 1: It's something different when it's forty yards from your house.
Speaker 1: And that's what we experienced. I've said it many times
Speaker 1: on the show. I've said it as a guest on
Speaker 1: another podcast. I stopped doing night hikes after that, because
Speaker 1: it was so close. It was clearly a large animal
Speaker 1: with a huge lung capacity to make those kind of noises.
Speaker 1: People have asked me, when you heard that forty yards
Speaker 1: from the house, why didn't you go see what it was?
Speaker 1: I was like, bring your ass down here and go
Speaker 1: out in the middle of the night. When something that
Speaker 1: big is making that kind of vocalization forty yards from
Speaker 1: your house, why don't you go let me know what
Speaker 1: it is? Cause I can tell you there's not a
Speaker 1: ton of stories out there of people being hurt by
Speaker 1: these creatures, But I was literally working on a story
Speaker 1: that I'm going to post probably tomorrow over on Backwoods
Speaker 1: Bigfoot Stories, one of my other podcasts about a Yupik
Speaker 1: woman from Alaska sharing a story from nineteen sixty two
Speaker 1: when her village was under attack by what appears to
Speaker 1: be a rogue male sasquatch that was actually taking children
Speaker 1: in the area. A couple of hunters went out to
Speaker 1: check their trap lines and they didn't come back to
Speaker 1: the village, and they ended up having to go out
Speaker 1: and hunt this thing down, and they, according to her,
Speaker 1: killed one of the creatures, a male and the female.
Speaker 3: Stayed in the area.
Speaker 1: I too have experienced these rock throwing incidents that you
Speaker 1: talked about when I was up in Radium Gosh, it
Speaker 1: was the end of twenty twenty three when I was
Speaker 1: up there with tired standing on a expedition in his area.
Speaker 1: We had rocks thrown at us two different occasions. But
Speaker 1: it was small rocks while we were sitting around the fire,
Speaker 1: and they were throwing them and hitting the campers next
Speaker 1: to us, making those noises, throwing them on top of
Speaker 1: the campers, throwing them at the side of the campers.
Speaker 1: It was clearly, at least for me, it felt like
Speaker 1: playful behavior. It wasn't anything like you described. But there
Speaker 1: are people who have been out in the woods and
Speaker 1: had rocks thrown at them very much like you described earlier.
Speaker 1: If these things had actually made contact and hit somebody,
Speaker 1: this is going to be sad singing and flower bringing
Speaker 1: either at the hospital of the Morgue. So I think
Speaker 1: you're right in that if these things do want to
Speaker 1: hurt you, they certainly have the capacity to do that.
Speaker 1: I want to go back to the first sighting that
Speaker 1: you and your wife Nancy had when you guys saw
Speaker 1: this creature and some of the other experiences that you've
Speaker 1: had where you actually got to see these things. Can
Speaker 1: you give us a description of exactly what you saw,
Speaker 1: the hair, the face, whatever details you can recall. Can
Speaker 1: you talk a little bit more about the description of
Speaker 1: what you saw?
Speaker 3: Sure, sure the hair was not sure, but it was
Speaker 3: a hanging down a great length. But it was let's
Speaker 3: call it very shaggy. Uneven. The first one we saw
Speaker 3: definitely had really dark brown hair. The conical head stood
Speaker 3: out immediately. The shoulders four foot or more wide, maybe
Speaker 3: five foot. And I remember thinking that night as I
Speaker 3: lay in bed, I couldn't go to sleep thinking about
Speaker 3: the size of the thighs. It reminded me of Earl Campbell.
Speaker 3: Now that's not a name a lot of people recognized,
Speaker 3: but Earl Campbell, the football player for Houston Orders, who
Speaker 3: had thighs the size of oak tree trunks. And it
Speaker 3: made Earl Campbell's size look small. Just the power if
Speaker 3: that animal could have charged our car or whatever it
Speaker 3: is the creature, the animal could have charged our car
Speaker 3: with what I was seeing, with the size of it,
Speaker 3: I don't know, busted on and yanked one of us
Speaker 3: out or something. The second one, the smaller one, had
Speaker 3: more of a reddish hair. It had some darker patches
Speaker 3: in it, but it was more of a red brown color.
Speaker 3: I estimated about five foot tall, all of the same features,
Speaker 3: except downsized. Then the third time that guy there, it
Speaker 3: was the same as the first, just in that split second,
Speaker 3: and I didn't see it as good as I did
Speaker 3: on our road side siding, but it looked like very
Speaker 3: dark either extremely dark brown hair or black colored hair.
Speaker 3: The size of the head really stood out on that occasion,
Speaker 3: and there was a tree in the background. We had
Speaker 3: that to go off of. My relative is a military
Speaker 3: person as well, very analytical, and so the next day
Speaker 3: in the daylight, we went down there and started extrapolating
Speaker 3: some We've had the reports of the gray ones, the
Speaker 3: reddish brown ones, the black ones, the ones with mixed
Speaker 3: black and brown color, the whole gamut around here around
Speaker 3: the South Mountains area.
Speaker 1: It's interesting that you talked about the lighter colored one
Speaker 1: because I interviewed a guy who was probably last year
Speaker 1: for the show, and his sighting happened back in the
Speaker 1: early seventies as a kid when he was out playing
Speaker 1: hide and seek in a neighborhood that backed up to
Speaker 1: a bunch of woods that were basically in a cul
Speaker 1: de sac surrounded by mountains and forest, and he described
Speaker 1: seeing a white sasquatch that stepped out in front of
Speaker 1: these boys and then ended up stepping over a six
Speaker 1: foot fence, cleared it easily, and made its way off
Speaker 1: into the woods. It's rare that you hear, or at
Speaker 1: least for me, and I've interviewed a ton of people
Speaker 1: that have seen a very light colored sasquatch like that.
Speaker 1: He described it as being white, almost like people see
Speaker 1: a yetty or abominable snowman. It's very interesting. This guy
Speaker 1: was in North Carolina as well, who was around the
Speaker 1: Charlotte area actually, So it's interesting to me that the
Speaker 1: few people that I've interviewed, you're the second person that
Speaker 1: has seen a white sasquatch in North Carolina. There's got
Speaker 1: to be something to that. There's a lot of people
Speaker 1: that postulate that there's all kinds of different I don't
Speaker 1: want to say species, but subspecies or different types of sasquatch.
Speaker 1: I certainly think that is possible. And I think, just
Speaker 1: very much like other animals, like human beings, for example,
Speaker 1: if these things are closer to us, they're probably going
Speaker 1: to differ very similar to us. You and I look different.
Speaker 1: There's eight billion people in the world and we all
Speaker 1: look different, right unless you're a twin and you have
Speaker 1: an identical twin. So I think that is a very
Speaker 1: possible thing that these things adapt to the areas that
Speaker 1: they're in. It makes them look a little bit different.
Speaker 1: But a white sasquatch certainly has stuck out to me.
Speaker 1: Have you thought about that, given the fact that you've
Speaker 1: had these three or four sidings and one of them
Speaker 1: was white. I know you mentioned it earlier that you
Speaker 1: felt like this was probably an older sasquatch. Is that
Speaker 1: kind of your theory on what happens? Very much like
Speaker 1: us as they age, the hair grays, very similar to humans.
Speaker 3: I do. That's my theory that it just grays. And
Speaker 3: by June of this year, I had already interviewed two
Speaker 3: people that had seen gray or white sasquatches, and both
Speaker 3: of their sightings, the one in particular, they've had creatures
Speaker 3: all around them, and this one seemed to take a
Speaker 3: leadership role because they were being pursued. Then they came
Speaker 3: face to face with this one that was white. Everything stopped.
Speaker 3: The ones chasing them quit, the creature just looked at
Speaker 3: them and turned and walked off, And when it walked off,
Speaker 3: then all the chaos behind them resumed and they had
Speaker 3: to continue to run. The second one of the three
Speaker 3: that the witness was watching, it just seemed to them
Speaker 3: like it was more of a leader. Your eldest, your
Speaker 3: most wise, and most experienced, especially in a while, can
Speaker 3: be the leader. So I think that's all I did.
Speaker 3: I believe they age. Don't know how long they live,
Speaker 3: but if they live long enough, they're going to get
Speaker 3: white ray, They're going to probably lose some weight, get
Speaker 3: a little thinner. There's no doubt in my mind about that.
Speaker 1: I want to talk about something else that you mentioned
Speaker 1: that is very common in these situations. Sometimes I've interviewed
Speaker 1: people who have had these experiences together. Nonah Boss comes
Speaker 1: to mind from Florida. I had the privilege of interviewing
Speaker 1: Nonah when I was out speaking at the Ozark Mountain
Speaker 1: Bigfoot Conference just a couple of months ago, back in October,
Speaker 1: and Noah had an experience with her son where they
Speaker 1: saw this creature and they did not talk about it
Speaker 1: even amongst themselves. They didn't talk about it for a
Speaker 1: very long time. Obviously you and your wife have discussed
Speaker 1: this amongst yourselves, but you made the very, in my opinion,
Speaker 1: probably warranted decision not to talk to people about your encounter.
Speaker 1: Was it simply to do with the ridicule because it
Speaker 1: is such a stigma that seems to still persist when
Speaker 1: it comes to these kind of encounters. Was that the
Speaker 1: main reason that you decided not to initially talk about it?
Speaker 1: And how has that worked.
Speaker 3: Out for you? Do you regret it?
Speaker 1: I guess is the other part of that question, ever,
Speaker 1: regret coming forward and sharing your experiences?
Speaker 3: Now?
Speaker 1: Are you glad that you've come forward and started talking
Speaker 1: about this because it has forwarded or it has pushed
Speaker 1: your research a little bit further and it brought people
Speaker 1: out that are sharing your experiences with you. So I
Speaker 1: guess the two parts to just sum it up, was
Speaker 1: that initial decision to not tell anybody. Was it simply
Speaker 1: based on the fact that you didn't want to be ridiculed? Now?
Speaker 1: I guess the second part of that would be, how
Speaker 1: has that worked out for you? Since you have obviously
Speaker 1: come forward, You're here, you're showing your face, you're talking
Speaker 1: on the show. How has that changed for you? And
Speaker 1: are you glad that you ultimately came forward to share
Speaker 1: your story.
Speaker 3: I am glad that I came forward. At the time,
Speaker 3: I had two main reasons for wanting us to just
Speaker 3: not talk to people about it. Number one, the ridicule,
Speaker 3: the stigma, but also because by that time I had
Speaker 3: talked to a few people and I knew the rule,
Speaker 3: and the rule is around here as in a lot
Speaker 3: of places, especially in mountain areas, you don't talk about it.
Speaker 3: You have an experience, you don't talk talk about it,
Speaker 3: and you certainly don't tell outsiders about The last thing
Speaker 3: that I wanted to do was alienate people who had
Speaker 3: come to be like family to meet because I did
Speaker 3: talk about it. Fast forwarding to now, I'm glad I
Speaker 3: did it because it's turned into an awesome thing. Gosh,
Speaker 3: I'm getting to be part of so much and doing
Speaker 3: traveling and festivals and going to places. We just got
Speaker 3: back from the Land between the Lakes. Most of all, though,
Speaker 3: I've got to interview so many awesome people, not just
Speaker 3: from the South Mountains. I just finished a series Old
Speaker 3: Coastal Carolina of folks. Once my TikTok shows started going
Speaker 3: them contacting me and say hey, I got a story
Speaker 3: I want to tell you, and I always insist at
Speaker 3: minimum talking on the phone. I want to meet in
Speaker 3: person if possible, but that's not always possible. So if
Speaker 3: I'd have stayed low key, I would have never got
Speaker 3: to experience these things and start meeting people, making contacts.
Speaker 3: Meeting people such as yourself, you start learning and I
Speaker 3: am a totally different person. And I was just a
Speaker 3: few years ago before I started getting to have conversations
Speaker 3: with folks like you, Bob, Tim, George Lunsford, Mark and Groves.
Speaker 3: For crying out Loud, I got to hang out with
Speaker 3: him for several days, and some other guys up there
Speaker 3: at to lb On other people who have reached out
Speaker 3: to me. I have learned so much. I have achieved
Speaker 3: part of the goalal I certainly nowhere near where I
Speaker 3: want to be on the answers and figuring things out. Plus,
Speaker 3: when you hear other people talking about their sightings and
Speaker 3: their experiences, you feel validated. You don't feel like you're alone,
Speaker 3: like you saw something extraordinary that no one else can understand.
Speaker 3: So I am very glad. I'm very pleased with the
Speaker 3: decision I've had to be diplomatic. Have some talks with
Speaker 3: some folks around here to get myself out of hot water,
Speaker 3: but they saw it my way.
Speaker 1: Let me ask you, this, is this something that I've
Speaker 1: started asking a few people over the last few episodes,
Speaker 1: because I haven't asked this of everybody because it almost
Speaker 1: seems to me. I'm a very flesh and blood guy.
Speaker 1: You and I've had that conversation in person. I'm a
Speaker 1: flesh and blood guy. I don't get into the high
Speaker 1: strangeness or the woo part of this research, but I
Speaker 1: think we have to remain open minded. I think we
Speaker 1: have to at least consider those things. They are people's experiences,
Speaker 1: and there's some weird ass experiences that I've documented on
Speaker 1: this show. So let me ask you this. Do you
Speaker 1: ever wonder why you have this experience? Because this has
Speaker 1: happened to me. I had my sightings last summer. I
Speaker 1: had three sidings in two days, and I've asked myself
Speaker 1: this multiple times, and it's hard for me to reconcile.
Speaker 1: So I'm going to ask you how you feel about this.
Speaker 1: Do you ever wonder why you've had these experiences? Do
Speaker 1: you think it's a random thing, or do you think
Speaker 1: that or feel that there's some reason behind it.
Speaker 2: I e.
Speaker 1: Maybe there is something to this high strangeness part that
Speaker 1: there are people out there who believe that these creatures
Speaker 1: show themselves to people that are either open to it,
Speaker 1: willing to accept it, that they know can handle it,
Speaker 1: or maybe you're chosen for another reason. Do you ever
Speaker 1: consider that why you've had these experiences? And if so,
Speaker 1: do you think there's something more to it, or you
Speaker 1: think it's just you're in the right place at the
Speaker 1: right time, or depending on how you look at it,
Speaker 1: the wrong place at the wrong time.
Speaker 3: I think it's a combination of things. Like I said earlier,
Speaker 3: when I started seeing the tree breaks in the woods,
Speaker 3: it began to dawn on me. Hey, maybe I'm in
Speaker 3: a place that has this big for activity. But I
Speaker 3: look back on all the hours that I put into
Speaker 3: hiking these woods, even camping by myself, and I'm with you,
Speaker 3: By the way, I don't go into the woods no
Speaker 3: more to night by myself, but I used to camp
Speaker 3: spend a night or two. During the daytime, I would
Speaker 3: string up I hammitt in the middle of my height
Speaker 3: take a nap. I think that I was being observed.
Speaker 3: I believe that they're able to read people. I really
Speaker 3: believe that through all of these experiences, especially the sightings
Speaker 3: and the rock throwing, there was no aggression showing toward
Speaker 3: the creatures by me or anybody who was in any
Speaker 3: of the parties. I told my wife and she agreed,
Speaker 3: we would never ever harm one of these creatures. So
Speaker 3: maybe they have a better sense of reading people than
Speaker 3: we do. Then again, they sure did have us several
Speaker 3: years to observe us, and then observe us when they
Speaker 3: revealed themselves, and they revealed themselves on those occasions, we
Speaker 3: didn't catch the creature by surprise. They're masters of their domain.
Speaker 3: I don't believe they're going to be seen unless they
Speaker 3: want you to see them, which that's a question. Why
Speaker 3: are they revealing them to me or people who are
Speaker 3: with me, or people who are here on the property.
Speaker 3: Not everybody in this small area of where I live,
Speaker 3: and I'm striking it down from the South Mountains to
Speaker 3: the area basically my neighborhood, so to speak, some have
Speaker 3: seen them. A number of people having same lifestyles, an
Speaker 3: outside lifestyle. Several of the people that live near here
Speaker 3: are coon hunters, and they're out in the woods at
Speaker 3: all times of the day. And Night they've never seen.
Speaker 3: My explanation for that is the dog. But anyway, I
Speaker 3: don't close myself to the possibility that there's the woo
Speaker 3: factor going on.
Speaker 1: Stay tuned for more sasquatch ot to see. We'll be
Speaker 1: right back after these messages.
Speaker 3: A big part of that was some of the things
Speaker 3: I've read Brian, but also the story of Skinwalker Ranch
Speaker 3: with the two guys that were working for Robert Bigelow
Speaker 3: that said they observed a creature come out of kind
Speaker 3: of a hole that just developed. And I started thinking, Okay,
Speaker 3: I'm still in my camp on the Flesh and Blood,
Speaker 3: but this has to be explained. And other people's experiences
Speaker 3: that hint at the high strangeness. I don't discount it,
Speaker 3: but I need further evidence well for our come out
Speaker 3: and say yeah, they're supernatural. If I see one and
Speaker 3: it just disappears immediately into another dimension or goes into portal,
Speaker 3: all right, I'm on board. But until then, I'm a
Speaker 3: flesh and Blood guy, Believe it or night.
Speaker 1: There are skeptics that listen to the show. I'm very skeptical.
Speaker 1: I've made no qualms about how skeptical I am. For years,
Speaker 1: I was skeptical about whether these creatures.
Speaker 3: Existed or not.
Speaker 1: Obviously, it took me having that experience where I got
Speaker 1: to see these things three times in two days. I
Speaker 1: am now one hundred percent in the Knower camp. I
Speaker 1: am still very skeptical of people. I'm skeptical of evidence,
Speaker 1: and I think that's a healthy skepticism that, frankly, everybody
Speaker 1: who's into this subject should have, because there are a
Speaker 1: lot of people out there who do hoax things, they
Speaker 1: do make up tales. There are skeptics who listen to
Speaker 1: the show. So let's pretend for a second you're talking
Speaker 1: directly to those skeptics. Let's say there was a skeptic
Speaker 1: sitting right here right now. What is it that you
Speaker 1: want people that hear your experiences and hear this episode.
Speaker 1: What do you want them to take away and understand
Speaker 1: about what you've experienced and these creatures in general.
Speaker 3: By the way, I wholehearted livery skepticism is absolutely vital.
Speaker 3: I've been burned a couple of times by people who
Speaker 3: were hopesing, and it was because I didn't maintain that
Speaker 3: s depth by step skepticism and I wanted to believe
Speaker 3: it too bad before I did my homework. So skepticism
Speaker 3: is extremely important. But what I would ask people to
Speaker 3: consider are a number of things. The knowledge that I've accumulated,
Speaker 3: especially going back into the days of the Native Americans.
Speaker 3: You get into Cherokee, and I'm a percentage Cherokee, about
Speaker 3: a third. There's three names for bigfoot in the Cherokee.
Speaker 3: And if you look across the entire spectrum of Native
Speaker 3: Americans North America, all the way up into Alaska, even
Speaker 3: into Central and South America, you see these native peoples
Speaker 3: all have these descriptions of these upright hairy commonides. That
Speaker 3: alone is enough to if I didn't believe right now,
Speaker 3: that would scoop me a lot closer to believing, because
Speaker 3: you have to explain these things. Skeptics want us to
Speaker 3: explain the evidence. But by the same token, if there's
Speaker 3: disbelief to satisfy me, you're gonna have to give me
Speaker 3: your take on why evidence I've presented doesn't sway you
Speaker 3: any then. Certainly, all of my experiences, I've absolutely had
Speaker 3: no reason whatsoever, especially financial. I've not made a dime
Speaker 3: off of this, other than getting a free jacket one time.
Speaker 3: But that's not why I'm in it. My wife people,
Speaker 3: relatives who have come here on the property, friends who
Speaker 3: have had these different experiences, people who live near me.
Speaker 3: I ask you to consider all of that, and if
Speaker 3: you're a skeptic, that's good, but you've got to explain
Speaker 3: the phenomena that we're experiencing. Then there's the accounts people
Speaker 3: have shared with me around the South Mountains area. I'm
Speaker 3: at about twenty eight people that I've interviewed, stretching a
Speaker 3: huge time frame. And these are folks, these are country folks,
Speaker 3: these are mountain people. Some of them never spoke of
Speaker 3: it to anyone outside of one or two people. You've
Speaker 3: got to account for what these people have seen over
Speaker 3: the years. People who live here in this is a
Speaker 3: wilderness area. We know what a bear looks like, we
Speaker 3: know everything there is to know about the wildlife. But
Speaker 3: folks have had encounters that contravene anything indicating that it
Speaker 3: might be a bear or whatever. Bears get a lot
Speaker 3: of the blame. And then finally, I say, you got
Speaker 3: to step back and look at the totality of the picture.
Speaker 3: All of the eyewitness testimonies from a cross time from
Speaker 3: Native American days all the way up to now, and
Speaker 3: then worldwide, all of the experiences people have reported, and
Speaker 3: there are good photographs, there are good videos, There are
Speaker 3: thousands of good footprints that have been found, cast photographs,
Speaker 3: scientifically collected. Folks who very smart, who came to the conclusion.
Speaker 3: Grover Krantz one of my heroes, a guy that risked
Speaker 3: his career. He came forward after studying the situation, just
Speaker 3: like doctor Meldrim did, and said, we're professors, but we
Speaker 3: believe that these creatures exist. Just so many intellectual people
Speaker 3: over the years who have fought to get people to
Speaker 3: be open. So all of this has got to be
Speaker 3: explained from the Native American. I hate to use the
Speaker 3: word lord, but we'll say that Native American lore all
Speaker 3: the way on now, everything, the whole totality. And I've
Speaker 3: never had a skeptic explain things away adequately. And I've
Speaker 3: also never had a skeptic take me up on the
Speaker 3: offer to come down here and camp in this creek
Speaker 3: bottom by their selves.
Speaker 1: You've mentioned it a couple of times. Let's talk a
Speaker 1: little bit about your research group, Let's talk about your
Speaker 1: TikTok YouTube. Let them know where they can find.
Speaker 3: You, all right, I am so blessed to be a
Speaker 3: part of two groups, sasquatch Ricon. You'll find sasquatch Ricon
Speaker 3: on YouTube. And I'm also a member of NCI with
Speaker 3: George Lonsford, Tim Dills, Brian Sawyer, Robert Efler, Greg Ogles,
Speaker 3: Natalie Smearman. We got a big team. Now we do
Speaker 3: a show on Channel twelve TV network, the NCI Show,
Speaker 3: and between all of us we make a lot of
Speaker 3: podcast appearances. Now I've maintained my personal show that began
Speaker 3: on TikTok. It's under j period r a period meal Wood.
Speaker 3: That's where I'm telling about people's encounters as they've shared
Speaker 3: them with me. YouTube, same thing, same accounts, but on
Speaker 3: YouTube it's called Rebel's Dark Tales of Appalachia and Rebels
Speaker 3: Dark Tales of Coastal Carolina. You can find me on Facebook,
Speaker 3: Jerry Millwood Junior. I will accept friends until I'm at
Speaker 3: five thousand and they say can't come in email. You
Speaker 3: can email me at Rebel twelve, Rebel the word Rebel one,
Speaker 3: two rants, r nts at yahoo dot com. You can
Speaker 3: reach out to me on any of these platforms, and
Speaker 3: I try my very best to get back with everybody there.
Speaker 1: You have it, folks, I will link to that stuff
Speaker 1: in the show notes. You guys go over and check
Speaker 1: it out. Show Jerry some love, man. It has been
Speaker 1: an honored a pleasure to have you on the show.
Speaker 1: Had a blast talking to you. Thank you so much
Speaker 1: for coming on and sharing your experiences with us.
Speaker 3: Thank you for having me brother. It absolutely was a blast.
Speaker 3: And you don't know how much it meant to me.
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