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Speaker 1: Views and opinions expressed by the guests of Sasquatch Experience

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do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the host, sponsors,

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or affiliates of the Sasquatch Experience. As always, listener discretion

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Speaker 2: We got some one or something.

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Speaker 1: Crawling around out your bay?

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Speaker 3: It was Was it a person or an animal?

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Speaker 4: Or I can't go all?

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Speaker 5: I know that my thunderway came on and.

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Speaker 4: I did that with a glam say that thing running

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across the yard, goodbye man? Or a company?

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Speaker 6: Looked by the man?

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Speaker 2: I don't know what it was.

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Speaker 3: Back in two thousand and five, we set out with

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one goal to give voice to the mystery and those

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who pursue it. Sasquatch Experience Podcast has been your go

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to source for serious Bigfoot discussion, where we separate fact

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from folklore. Always grounded in research and respect, we've interviewed

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eye witnesses experts since kept to like because understanding Bigfoot

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isn't just about belief, It's about the journey. Nearly two

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decades later, we're still chasing shadows and sharing stories.

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Speaker 1: The search never stopped.

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Speaker 3: Welcome to the Sasquatch Experience.

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Speaker 2: Indeed, it's quiet.

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Speaker 4: Hello, hit somebody out here.

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Speaker 2: And good evening everyone.

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Speaker 4: Welcome to the Sasquatch Experience for Monday, July thirteenth, twenty

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twenty six. I'm Sean the fork Chop Worker, your host,

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and tonight we have a great guest with us, mister

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Dan Adrello from Wisconsin.

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Speaker 2: But he's all over.

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Speaker 4: You can't tie Dan down, and we're going to get

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to Dan in just a minute. But gentlemen, we have

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a full crew tonight. It's great to have everybody here.

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Speaker 1: Yes, indeed, we got vance back.

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Speaker 2: Baker, Henry's here, Matt's here.

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Speaker 4: He's on mute, but he's here, and we are going

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to have a great show tonight, folks.

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Speaker 2: I hope you enjoy this we have.

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Speaker 4: This past weekend, we attended the first ever pair of

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storm Fest in Tarspa, myself and Jim Baker. We got

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to hang out with Stan Gordon, Eric Altman, Tommyhawk, the Tricks,

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our friends, Jimmy and d D, Mike Ann, Christy London,

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the beautiful Blue Eyed n Path. We had a lot

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of fun, guys. It was a great time. It was

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the first event of its kind. We got to meet

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doctor Greg Forbes. If you're a severe weather or enthusiast

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like I am in honor to meet doctor Forbes and

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looking forward to the next one if they have another one.

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Speaker 2: It was a good time. I had a lot of

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Speaker 4: Thanks to the PA storm Chasers for hosting it and

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inviting us along. It was a great time. I can't

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say anything more positive about it. It was a great experience,

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great to see my friends.

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Speaker 1: And my big question to you, Sean, how Stan doing.

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Speaker 2: Dan's great?

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Speaker 1: No, that's awesome to hear. He looks that.

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Speaker 4: He's younger every time I see him, right, like he's

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aging in reverse.

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Speaker 1: Well that's good to know because he's one of my

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Speaker 2: Rightfully so, like we didn't try to kill him this time, No, no,

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not this time.

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Speaker 4: There was no Marge, there was no death march for

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Stan Gordon. So we had a great time with Stan.

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Actually hung out with Dan most of the day.

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Speaker 1: Oh, that's awesome.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it was. We had a lot of fun.

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Speaker 4: And of course, you know, everybody talks about that seventy

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three bigfoot UFO flap in Westmoreland County, right which is

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the you know, the lynch Pin. I think of a

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lot of Stan's research and presentations and he hits on

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that without a beat. And I'll tell you there's a

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lot from that still coming forward to this day. You

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never know if you're going to meet yet another witness

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from that time frame who comes forward.

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Speaker 2: So yes, there's always merit and talking about some of

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Speaker 1: Almost a deathbed confession, right you never know, right, you don't.

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bit more open, especially as these as these topics become

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more mainstream. I had brain fart there forgiving me.

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Speaker 2: So it was a great time, great time had by all.

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Speaker 4: And before I kick us off and get over to Dan,

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at the Appalachian Conjure Folklore, Magic and Moonshine event at

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the Thunderhead Lodge and andres Pa Matt, are you I

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think Andreas Pennsylvania? Yep, Andreas at the Thunderhead Lodge to

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twenty twenty West penn Pike Andreas paw one one and

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it's from twelve to five, So stop buy and see Matt.

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second year at this event. Wonderful event. We'll be talking

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Speaker 2: He wants you to bring some moonshine many.

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Crypted Festival on Saturday, August the fifteenth, at nine am

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but we've been there every year and it's a great event.

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we're going to have a great time at that event.

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and Bluegrass Festival on Saturday, September twelfth at ten am

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nine two White Deer Pike, White, Dear Pa. I'll be

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speaking at that event as well as Gwen Purcell from

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Gotten Knockers. Bill Rigby will be there and it's going

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to be a great time. So hopefully I didn't miss

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anybody from that speaking lineup, but if I did, check

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these we'll be posting them on our Facebook page, Sasquatch Experience.

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and so catch us while you ken, gentlemen, any of

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the places you're going to be at. Anything I missed

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Speaker 1: Nothing?

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some entertainment and some really good information. We have a

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great researcher tonight. And I say great because I've known

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Dan a long time. Mister Dan Adrella from Wisconsin. Dan

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bigfoot researcher with decades of field grip behind him. Known

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and documenting wildlife behavior that most people never get close

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enough to witness. A trained herpetologist and veteran naturalists, his

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photography has appeared in museums, observation programs, and educational exhibits nationwide.

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cutting through the noise, focusing on habitat behavior and biological

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plausibility that's made him a respected voice in the field.

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sharing stories from nights spent and remote willnesses. Dan brings

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every conversation. And Dan, welcome in the Sasquat experience. Thanks

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Speaker 2: So thank you, Dan.

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there in the early two thousands. For folks, bigfoot research

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about the gray hairs. We're just talking about the length

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of time we've spent in the field. But Dan, what

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makes you unique is you really get your ass out

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there and you go all over and you've been well

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tell us some Well, first of all, let's do two things.

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Speaker 2: Tell us how the hell you got started in this.

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Speaker 5: The first paragraph always has to start with missus Betty Weber,

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my fifth grade teacher. She made a mistake of saying

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a quick check in Encyclopedia. Holy you know what Yetti's

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and Shipton and the Malayas and some adults are taking

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this serious. But why no scientific verification? Boy, I had

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was ten years old in fifth grade. That happened to

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be sixty seven, So I'm dated an old guy. I'm

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gonna be seventy next year, which is incredibly difficult and

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ridiculous to believe. But time flies, especially when you're having fun,

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this fun, because this could be one of the most

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frustrating attempts. I had to wait fifty nine years for

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literature search all through middle school, high school, I couldn't

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on and every new species I found. And I hooked

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sudden it became more difficult to place published photographs. I

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beginning of it. Then I didn't get to travel much

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as a kids, so as soon as I got my

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and down the United States, and then eventually I worked

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jobs doing reptile and amphibian surveys. Eventually val assessment work

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with birds and amphibian's reptiles. But my love for this

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was being a wildlife photographer, getting as close to anything

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was a tiny little invertebrate or big macro. I still

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to get that as soon as I can. And basically

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nobody else's got, because that's what's going to take the

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Speaker 4: So oh absolutely, college who drives the direction. You're quite

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credentially and we're always pleased to have folks with credential

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Speaker 2: While there's no experts in bigfoot, the thing I like.

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Speaker 4: To point out because people always bust our balls because

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Speaker 2: We talked to experts in their field of expertise.

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Speaker 4: So we talked to photographers, we talked to law enforcement

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to the experts. Those are the people we talked to

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and Dan. One of the things we talk about here

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as well is wilderness safety. So when you're talking about

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wild life, somebody of your background being able to tell people, hey,

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you know what, watch for the hell you step. You

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can end up on the backside or the bad side

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of a rital snake and then you're screwed.

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Speaker 2: You know. Those are the reasons why we bring people

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with credentials on the.

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Speaker 4: Show to share and educate and inform the publics who

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are really pleased to have you, not just from the

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big foot standpoint, but from your overall perspective of wilderness,

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wilderness safety, and photography, because it is important that we talk.

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Speaker 2: About some of those things.

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Speaker 4: Did you ever get a chance to tell missus weber

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out much of an impact she had on you?

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Speaker 5: I did, Yeah, if she laughed and giggled the whole time.

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And I actually did tell her what my other interests

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were because she knew about the you know, I mean,

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I got my first book in strict fielding. I was

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in ninth grade by the time I graduated from high school.

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She was thirty pounds on her way to Milwaukee to

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be bred, and we had two litters in nineteen eighty

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and nineteen eighty, so that was nice. When I went

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to college, I got my first baby, reticulated pyth arm

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which is the longest species on the planet. And of

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course I was also sneaking rytlesnakes and copperheads in and

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things like that. But that little python came in dehydrated

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at thirty three inches out of Southeast Asia, and by

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the time I graduated from college, she was over one

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hundred and forty pounds wow, thirventeen feet long. What was

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hilarious was we used to sit in the lounge when

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I was in the dorm weather and she'd hit her

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own chair and would sit in West airday Live and

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no big deal, was just caln So she would get

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the lounge during the day when I had classes, I'd

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come back and almost typically we had piles of luna cans,

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hundreds of pounds of little cans. She would go into

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that because of the heat aspect, but inevitably there'd be

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a coil of her out and she's big around as

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a as a fullbacks thigh, so I mean, you know,

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she's a big girl, and so it was quite comical

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to see guys bring their girlfriends over and what are

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you looking at? Well, look at that, and then she'd

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move and then there'd be panicked. But I would take

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her to kindergarten classes at her full range of seventeen feet,

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and I have little children pick her up like a

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like a fire hose.

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Speaker 1: And wo last, crazy, last.

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Speaker 5: And I would take diamondbacks and alligators and all kinds

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of good things in And that's part of all I

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made my living for.

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Speaker 1: You know, I have a I have a quick question

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for you. Have you observed that females are a little

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bit more docile and gentle than the males.

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Speaker 5: Regarding pythons in general? Yes, correct, I would say, as

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an individual variation thing. But if you're gonna broadband swoop it,

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i'd say yes.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I kind of figured as much.

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Speaker 2: Is that a fact?

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Speaker 5: Why that is?

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Speaker 2: Is that a fact?

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Speaker 6: While they have eggs and stuff like that, because I

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know that, like we talk about apes a lot and

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a lot of the other species, like some of the

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animals are docile. But I'm going if they like you know,

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like a standard bear will leave you alone, if it's

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best choice, but if it has cubs, it's more likely

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to fight right.

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Speaker 1: Well, when you start young, yes.

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Speaker 5: When you start throwing in testosterone in territory and things

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of that nature, that comes into the reptile world too,

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But typically if you're you know, the last thing you

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want is somebody to take a full bite in the

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face from something that's got significant teeth that could do damage,

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especially to the eyes or you know, the cosmetic appearance

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of somebody's face. So you have to be damned well

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familiar individual animals you're using, and also what the you know,

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what the touch points are, What can we do that's

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going to cause a potential problem. They haven't pulled all

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the little contracts that say under no circumstances they won't

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do anything, so anything had happened anytime. Luckily, I never

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had any problems in that forty years. Just one experiment

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that went wrong. It was one of my twelve foot Bremese.

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I I had a class that wanted to see aggression

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and way I can think of it was to do

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a feeding reaction with a with a lab rat and

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of course it was my hand and fortunately I didn't

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have to pull any teeth. It's interesting with hospital personnel

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and all kinds of good stuff going on.

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Speaker 2: I think I think we turned the show into the

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snake squatch experience.

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Speaker 1: I think we did a good job.

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Speaker 2: Which is all right.

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Speaker 4: But Dan, getting back to our topic, I think we

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could take this on the snakes all night. So you

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got a balatable snowman, right, How did you get pressed

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into service into Bigfoot?

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Speaker 2: What said Dan?

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Speaker 4: Okay, I'm going out and I'm checking out these woods

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for a big Harry Homelet.

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Speaker 5: Okay, I couldn't figure out where they were. And in

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two thousand ninety it was the early nineties, I worked

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as for the Department Natural Resources as a herpetologist and

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eventually as an environmental assessment guy. And I had sasquatch

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on my mind the whole time because before that job,

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in the eighties, I was in Missouri the Ozarks and

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working at a private zoo and also a private abandoned zoo,

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and I felt watched there all the time. Coincidentally, that

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happened to be at age twenty two, that happened to

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be the time when I finally got my hand on

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John Green's Bible. Apes among us and we all know

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how much we love that piece of work. Well, that

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really hit me hard because I was trying to parallel

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behavior from Sanderson and compare with Sanderson's reports and all

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that good stuff with tracking and sightings and behavior and

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locations and timing and all that stuff. So that's kind

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of the start of it. By the time I hit

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the nineties, I still had not seen tracks, I had

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not gotten a vocalization. I didn't know where or how

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what was going on. Somehow, my sister made a bet

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with me. In two thousand, our mom passed away. We

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both inherited some incredible artistic capability from her, and so

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I was actually a biological illustrator as well, which I

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used for environmental education. And when she passed away, my

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sister made me two bets. One that wouldn't become computer illiterate.

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I wouldn't become computer literate because I hated computers at

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the time. And she also said, I bet you don't

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network sasquat research professionally. Well, I don't know that you

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can't do that anyway, But what she meant was there

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are people out there that are notable names. I dare

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you to work with them. And so I got online,

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started messing around with reports, kept hitting the same guy

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who I forgot his name at the moment, but he

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happened to be Matt Moneymaker's partner, and I would bug

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him with questions. Finally he simply said, who the hell

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are you and why do you want to know all this?

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And I was basically asking him, are you guys making

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a profit of this, I guess taking people for a ride?

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Or is this significant, legitimate research? What's going on? And

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he asked if I had a resume. I said yes,

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I sent it to him and in two days they

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literally gave me the password and the BFR own started

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sending me hair scat vocalizations and I finally got to

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meet some of the people online who interested me in

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the subject. In the first week. It's the first place

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with their books name with John Green, and I became

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a pretty good friend of John Bendernago at the time,

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and some of those guys, and then people started writing

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me privately explaining and sharing their experiences, so I had

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live witnesses on hand. My first field work was in

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Oklahoma with Elton Higgins down down at Project X where

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the where the wood ape work has been done, and

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from there I started going out on my own, ended

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up in Tennessee, ended up in Indiana, I ended up

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over Wisconsin, Iowa, Minnesota, and I still didn't have a

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vocal that I could put a finger on. I had

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some suspect ones, babies crying in the woods. I had

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doors being slammed.

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Speaker 2: I had.

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Speaker 5: Bad odors, you know, some whistles, things like that, but

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nothing I could put a finger on. It took me

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till I finally left to be off at two thousand

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and four and just kind of slid out the back door.

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Took four years off, came back. One of the first

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people to greet me when I came back was Matthew

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Nap of Crossroads, our buddy Matt Nap, that's right, and

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he kind of I was going to be doing some

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presentations on the subject.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: He helped me out with a few things, some vocals

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that he had created, et cetera. And then one by

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one I started reuniting with my old friends. We became

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new friends again, and I didn't lose very many people

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doing my absence. I gained it many and my independence

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allowed me to do whatever I wanted. Was all having

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somebody told me I shouldn't do that, so that means

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I made many mistakes, and I had to because I

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was trying to learn things. What happens when you do this,

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what happens when you do that. Wood knots at the

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time weren't even hardly officially acceptable like they are now.

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That was one of the key ingredients that allowed me

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to start picking up vocals locally in the Driftlece area

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of south western Wisconsin. And luckily my relatives have had

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some experiences as well. So I'm not completely nuts for

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the total black sheep in the I'm still in the

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black sheep in the family, but not at least totally

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nuts because they know. And so I've got team members

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across the state now, and and we're actually working on

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some vocalization projects through some of the bf OL guys,

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Charles Kimberke out of Virginia and my friend Dennischoolcox out

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of Nebraska.

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Speaker 4: So, and as you and I talked about before we

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came on the air, it was such a loss to

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lose standport me, you know, when you talk about Bigfoot

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vocalizations and sounds. I think for the longest time he

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had the largest online repositories of audio, maybe of anyone

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that was a big loss to the sasquadge Field.

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Speaker 5: Absolutely, and I just phoned that. Oh, basically about four

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days after he passed. Somebody told me, so.

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Speaker 2: Go ahead, Henry, what were you going to say aboud?

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I was just said it was it was a big loss.

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Stanon Corney's loss was yeah.

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Speaker 4: You and I had interviewed him, I think a couple

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of times back when we first started the program, and

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his collection wasn't quite as extensive back then, but it

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is it lean it. I don't know if his website

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is still up. I'll take it stan Courtney dot com

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for anybody who was interested. If it's still go check

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it out because it's definitely worth it.

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Speaker 5: He does have some sons there too.

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Speaker 2: So and it's still up. The website is still up

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for wonder Sorry, Dan, I mean to go off the

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rail there.

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Speaker 5: No, it's all inclusive. So I don't know what to

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tell you except that I'm a member of a couple

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of different groups. Shane Carpenter invited me into his project

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Ozark sasquatchz Ark Mountains Sasquatch project. You'd been working with

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Randy Harrington numerous other people, and I joined actually in

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twenty nineteen. I was just finishing up speaking out of college,

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put my critters away, hopped in the vehicle and drove

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down to Arkansas area. And I got there after two

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o'clock in the morning, and I was greeted and told, well,

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you drove all that way, you probably want to sleep, right,

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And I'm like, you've got to be kidding me. We're

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at the time, right. We took a thirty minute walk

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and Shane and Randy have gone on tons of different

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podcasts to describe this situation, but we got a peaker

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within thirty minutes. A while, really one of the juvenile,

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one of the juveniles ever were Wow Crime in twenty nineteen.

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We had two youngsters with about a ten to ten

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and a quarter inch footprint. We had the mother, which

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we believed them was the mother with a twelve inch footprint,

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and the father who had they had seen him as well,

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and he had a fifteen inch footprint.

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Speaker 1: Holy cow.

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Speaker 5: And eventually she had a little one because six inch

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tracks started to show up. So what's interesting The last

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00:26:28,279 --> 00:26:33,720
photo I sent you Sean with Nebby that was drawn

476
00:26:33,799 --> 00:26:45,799
by Sabyla Christine that I believe it's uh, I'm going

477
00:26:45,839 --> 00:26:49,359
to butcher the report number. But it's out of Oklahoma

478
00:26:50,319 --> 00:26:54,200
and it's I think it's Is it the last sketch

479
00:26:54,240 --> 00:26:57,839
you sent me? Yes, sir, And there's some information with it.

480
00:26:58,240 --> 00:27:04,240
I remember that it was reported in May fifth, two

481
00:27:04,319 --> 00:27:09,480
thousand and eight. And Jerry, I'm going to forget his

482
00:27:09,640 --> 00:27:11,839
last name, I wrote it down. And when he was

483
00:27:11,839 --> 00:27:15,240
one of the bfro O investigators, he called Sybylla saying,

484
00:27:15,519 --> 00:27:19,799
I've got one. Are you ready to draw? And she

485
00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:23,960
drew it and he had all of ten to fifteen

486
00:27:24,039 --> 00:27:27,839
minutes to look at it from relatively close distance. She

487
00:27:27,960 --> 00:27:30,960
did an incredible job on accuracy. I think it's the

488
00:27:31,039 --> 00:27:34,960
most important one. And when when we found that peaker

489
00:27:35,480 --> 00:27:40,519
back in twenty nineteen, Shane said, I'm going in. Well,

490
00:27:40,599 --> 00:27:42,519
I don't know Shane. I didn't know Shane very well

491
00:27:42,559 --> 00:27:44,640
at that time. I didn't know Randy at all.

492
00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:48,039
Speaker 2: Did you guys see that that's not the one though,

493
00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:51,799
that's not the one. The other one gota other one?

494
00:27:53,240 --> 00:27:53,759
There were two.

495
00:27:54,279 --> 00:28:00,279
Speaker 7: That's an Oklahoma mail there, that's Alahoma mail. If we

496
00:28:00,319 --> 00:28:02,640
get him up, Okay, I get the right one here.

497
00:28:02,759 --> 00:28:04,480
This one looks like it says Evan's at the end.

498
00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:07,279
Is that that would be from alex Evans. So there

499
00:28:07,359 --> 00:28:11,440
was the very last picture I sent you. Okay, hopefully

500
00:28:11,480 --> 00:28:13,799
you can find it. And the only problem was I

501
00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:17,279
was using both of my profiles, so it might be

502
00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:18,319
on the other profile.

503
00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:21,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, it doesn't, it's not. Let me not sharing it

504
00:28:21,480 --> 00:28:22,400
to make all right.

505
00:28:22,559 --> 00:28:30,279
Speaker 4: Well that's why sorry, folks, technical issues about your best imagination.

506
00:28:31,039 --> 00:28:34,359
Speaker 5: To find it, go to here's part of the mystery.

507
00:28:34,799 --> 00:28:39,200
Go to the bfrro type in Oklahoma, type in nubby

508
00:28:39,880 --> 00:28:42,759
and U B B I E. It will come up.

509
00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:48,880
And that is Sabyla's illustration of what Cherry Rand saw

510
00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:52,519
and described her over the phone. So here we have

511
00:28:52,599 --> 00:28:57,440
an illustration done with an active viewer describing the details

512
00:28:57,599 --> 00:28:59,599
to her as he's looking at it.

513
00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:02,519
Speaker 2: We're gonna try this one more time because I think

514
00:29:02,559 --> 00:29:03,079
I got it.

515
00:29:04,279 --> 00:29:05,319
Speaker 5: Another vos.

516
00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:12,480
Speaker 2: Don Forker has the technology to not screw up constantly wrong.

517
00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:17,960
Speaker 1: There you go, there you go, oh wow, oh yeah, right,

518
00:29:19,160 --> 00:29:20,279
that's crazy.

519
00:29:20,519 --> 00:29:24,720
Speaker 5: It was a reddish brown, a reddish brown individual. But

520
00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:27,839
the one that Shane saw and walked up on, which

521
00:29:27,839 --> 00:29:32,960
I'll describe in a second, was black with dark gray skin.

522
00:29:33,839 --> 00:29:38,519
Looked almost identical to what Sibylla drew he pointed this out.

523
00:29:38,599 --> 00:29:42,640
He looked at numerous illustrations to see which one looked closest.

524
00:29:42,839 --> 00:29:47,039
It was this one, and he said that the individual

525
00:29:47,240 --> 00:29:51,000
was laying in the grass looking at him. Shane walked

526
00:29:51,079 --> 00:29:54,960
up to seven to eight feet from him and shined

527
00:29:55,279 --> 00:29:58,599
a light in his eyes, which reflected silver. Going back,

528
00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:06,119
it stays totally still obviously, youngster how big somewhere between

529
00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:09,079
five and five and a half feet and approximately in

530
00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:12,559
Shane's view, about one hundred and fifty pounds, so he

531
00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:15,119
wasn't as big as Nobby. He was approximately six feet,

532
00:30:15,839 --> 00:30:19,640
but he froze well. Then Shane just kind of walked

533
00:30:19,640 --> 00:30:21,680
away from him a little bit and thought, I'm going

534
00:30:21,720 --> 00:30:25,200
back again. So what he did and I think he

535
00:30:25,359 --> 00:30:27,960
sat And don't quote me on this, but I believe

536
00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:30,680
at one point he sat down real close to him,

537
00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:33,000
like seven to eight feet and turned his back a

538
00:30:33,039 --> 00:30:35,319
little bit. But when he came back the second time,

539
00:30:35,559 --> 00:30:36,359
things changed.

540
00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:38,039
Speaker 2: Now there was like a.

541
00:30:38,119 --> 00:30:43,519
Speaker 5: Tooth chatter, which is a defense response, and rock was

542
00:30:43,640 --> 00:30:47,839
thrown from the brush, which means there was either MoMA

543
00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:52,880
or the other sibling. So saying left came back, Brandy

544
00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:56,160
and I were concerned about him going to visit that

545
00:30:56,400 --> 00:30:58,839
closely because the one, we didn't know what kind of

546
00:30:58,880 --> 00:31:02,119
reaction when I get from the the family members. Two,

547
00:31:03,039 --> 00:31:05,400
we didn't know how this is going to affect him,

548
00:31:05,480 --> 00:31:07,599
whether or not they're going to come into camp or not,

549
00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:11,079
which is our goal. We want you in camp to

550
00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:16,400
leave every potential sign that you can for us to investigate. Well,

551
00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:19,599
it turned out that night they came into camp and

552
00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:24,480
their audio picked it up, and two eight foot tables

553
00:31:24,720 --> 00:31:28,799
under the tents with all kinds of gear, and the

554
00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:33,720
audio picked up them like tapping fingers on the table.

555
00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:38,000
And the reason we knew for sure they were there

556
00:31:38,759 --> 00:31:42,279
was because there were some hand wipes and one was

557
00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:45,279
pulled out with a big finger impression on it.

558
00:31:45,559 --> 00:31:46,160
Speaker 1: That crazy.

559
00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:52,240
Speaker 5: That was wonderful. The next day we slept in. Later

560
00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:55,519
toward evening, we decided, let's go up the hill and

561
00:31:55,680 --> 00:31:59,079
see if we can interact with the mail if he's around.

562
00:31:59,759 --> 00:32:02,920
We did and went up. We hung out for four

563
00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:09,519
hours approximately nothing and they had had rocked towing contests

564
00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:14,480
with them in the past, and their vocalizations, exchanged recordings,

565
00:32:14,599 --> 00:32:19,759
made footprints found. She found a handprint on a ledge

566
00:32:19,799 --> 00:32:24,920
of the roadside In one situation, nothing we came back

567
00:32:25,359 --> 00:32:29,799
Camp Raandy to check the audio. Good news, gentlemen, they

568
00:32:29,880 --> 00:32:32,359
were here while we were up the hill. We went

569
00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:35,200
to bed, got up in the morning with the audio.

570
00:32:35,680 --> 00:32:39,400
They went through all the items on the table, got

571
00:32:39,559 --> 00:32:43,319
the medical bag. It was zipped and unzipped about seventeen

572
00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:46,920
or eighteen times. Now here's where it's funny. You can

573
00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:51,400
also hear the cooler being closed, so automatically checked the

574
00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:56,880
cooler missing six monster cappuccinos.

575
00:32:56,880 --> 00:33:04,079
Speaker 2: Appropriately what wow, I needed to fix?

576
00:33:04,839 --> 00:33:05,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, right.

577
00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:11,000
Speaker 5: I got back in twenty for more action, and back

578
00:33:11,079 --> 00:33:15,000
in twenty three, and by the time I got back

579
00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:17,720
in twenty three, we had a different situation. That little

580
00:33:17,799 --> 00:33:23,319
six incher we believe grown. The two ten inches are

581
00:33:23,319 --> 00:33:26,359
apparently gone or one of them stayed behind with a

582
00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:29,880
fourteen inch print, and now there was another little six incher.

583
00:33:30,359 --> 00:33:33,359
In the meantime, there was one ten inch print that

584
00:33:33,559 --> 00:33:37,920
was all over and so that had been casting over

585
00:33:38,039 --> 00:33:41,640
thirty sometimes for comparison, and.

586
00:33:41,839 --> 00:33:43,640
Speaker 4: So much of your thoughts on that, Dan, Do you

587
00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:46,640
think that you had the same kind of family group there?

588
00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:49,319
Speaker 2: Do you think they stay, do you think they range?

589
00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:50,640
What's your thoughts on home?

590
00:33:50,839 --> 00:33:54,200
Speaker 5: The male stayed, but he didn't stay with the family

591
00:33:54,880 --> 00:33:58,960
a lot. He seemed to be running the ridges, and

592
00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:02,160
other people were this behavior to me as well. So

593
00:34:02,359 --> 00:34:04,359
typically what you get his mom, and you get some

594
00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:08,280
big teenage sons and the younger ones, and so you

595
00:34:08,360 --> 00:34:13,719
have siblings kind of working together. Allegedly, that's what the

596
00:34:13,840 --> 00:34:19,119
tracks suggested. Our tracks in twenty twenty three were the

597
00:34:19,239 --> 00:34:21,920
ten and a quarter inch. Then we had six inch,

598
00:34:22,559 --> 00:34:24,559
and then we had the big mail by this time

599
00:34:24,679 --> 00:34:27,960
was sixteen inches, and then we had a fourteen inch mom.

600
00:34:28,840 --> 00:34:32,119
Now I don't whether the twelve inch had turned into

601
00:34:32,159 --> 00:34:35,320
the fourteen or one of the ten inches turned into

602
00:34:35,320 --> 00:34:35,880
the fourteen.

603
00:34:36,119 --> 00:34:36,519
Speaker 2: I don't know.

604
00:34:37,559 --> 00:34:40,000
Speaker 5: It was presumed it was the twelve inch to the fourteen,

605
00:34:40,719 --> 00:34:46,800
but again do we know that for sure. It's really

606
00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:51,280
interesting because Shane had another property where there was behavior,

607
00:34:51,320 --> 00:34:54,519
and he went over and investigate that. He also found

608
00:34:54,679 --> 00:34:58,800
more ten inch prints over there was a little bit older. Now,

609
00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:01,079
I just got through work, came with a buddy of

610
00:35:01,119 --> 00:35:05,599
mine from North Florida and he had some small juvenile prints,

611
00:35:06,119 --> 00:35:07,760
and so this has become a thing for me. In

612
00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:11,800
the last year. I'm trying to acquire as many alleged

613
00:35:12,039 --> 00:35:16,239
or potential sasquatch footprints as I can from every in

614
00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:20,719
each individual who can photograph them sharply. Unfortunately, most people

615
00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:24,960
don't record their measurements with a tape measure, which I'm

616
00:35:25,039 --> 00:35:29,880
sure everybody did. Unfortunately, people typically use their foot If

617
00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:33,440
we could use a dollar bill or universal sized item,

618
00:35:33,840 --> 00:35:38,199
that would help tremendously. Also, people forget to measure the

619
00:35:38,320 --> 00:35:41,960
distance between the foot strikes, so we need strides, and

620
00:35:42,079 --> 00:35:44,360
we also need you know, obviously the length and the

621
00:35:44,440 --> 00:35:47,360
width of the foot. But then we're also looking at

622
00:35:48,159 --> 00:35:52,079
trying to differentiate individuals. For example, I just I've just

623
00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:58,159
been a new gale in Ohio and I've got three

624
00:35:58,599 --> 00:36:02,639
individual footprints from her. And a friend of mine in

625
00:36:02,760 --> 00:36:07,599
Texas found trance on a private property in a county

626
00:36:07,719 --> 00:36:12,320
that was surrounded by BFI reports BFI row reports, but

627
00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:16,239
there weren't any there. My friend Robin lind Griffith has

628
00:36:17,039 --> 00:36:22,480
got different photographs from there. Unfortunately some of them had

629
00:36:22,519 --> 00:36:26,039
been tape measured. So the problem is we like to

630
00:36:26,199 --> 00:36:30,199
get all the different individuals in the group, and that

631
00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:35,519
takes precise photography and some patients and some work, and

632
00:36:35,679 --> 00:36:38,079
most people don't seem to have the capacity to do

633
00:36:38,239 --> 00:36:43,280
that right, you know, which is potentially problematic, but we're

634
00:36:43,320 --> 00:36:47,239
so thrilled by the beauty of the photographs. And of course,

635
00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:51,559
one of the comments that doctor Jeff Mildram made to

636
00:36:52,159 --> 00:36:59,679
Stan Courtney was, please remember is extremely difficult to determine

637
00:36:59,679 --> 00:37:05,960
the differentfference between juvenile's asquatch footprints and humans. Now, with

638
00:37:06,119 --> 00:37:11,639
that understandable, just to imagine, just imagine the implications that

639
00:37:11,840 --> 00:37:18,039
as on potential genetics and relationships regarding them and us.

640
00:37:18,840 --> 00:37:23,000
You know, then we get into okay, if any of

641
00:37:23,079 --> 00:37:29,199
these witness descriptions are reasonably accurate, and Sibyla and alex

642
00:37:29,360 --> 00:37:32,239
Alexa Evans and so many other people have done some

643
00:37:32,440 --> 00:37:39,480
incredible likenesses bringing the description to life. Just imagine the

644
00:37:39,639 --> 00:37:43,360
differences some of these portray. She had one over nine

645
00:37:43,440 --> 00:37:47,320
feet that looked like a wounded gorilla in Illinois. She

646
00:37:47,480 --> 00:37:51,400
had another gorilla type looking one on a yellowstone. She

647
00:37:51,480 --> 00:37:55,880
had another group of gorilla looking ones in other states,

648
00:37:55,960 --> 00:38:00,960
notably Texas. Yet there are some that look uh. Dan

649
00:38:01,039 --> 00:38:03,199
Baker's a good friend of mine, aut of Ohio. He

650
00:38:03,360 --> 00:38:08,599
stated to me they had Neanderthal faces. His wife someone

651
00:38:10,480 --> 00:38:16,800
We've got descriptions from Fred rail up in Alaska neanderthal faces,

652
00:38:17,400 --> 00:38:23,559
a few Native American looking faces, but primarily Neanderthal looking faces,

653
00:38:23,880 --> 00:38:26,960
just the big amy brow ridge and a primitive type

654
00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:31,079
of homon hominid type fossil man type look.

655
00:38:31,559 --> 00:38:33,079
Speaker 2: Then, what are your thoughts on that, Dan?

656
00:38:33,199 --> 00:38:36,639
Speaker 4: Do you think that we have a regional variation or

657
00:38:36,679 --> 00:38:40,280
do you think we have different types of big flood?

658
00:38:40,639 --> 00:38:44,760
Speaker 5: I have different I have to grin because to me, again,

659
00:38:44,960 --> 00:38:48,760
if there, if there's accuracy, and these witness reclamations that

660
00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:54,039
Sibylla and Alexa and numerous other artists are doing, then

661
00:38:54,119 --> 00:38:56,199
it sure looks to me as though we've got even

662
00:38:56,440 --> 00:39:03,760
possibly different uh giant air covered unverified bipeds that may

663
00:39:03,880 --> 00:39:09,440
represent two different families. Right, we may have the human line,

664
00:39:10,159 --> 00:39:14,079
and numerous artists have depicted you want the ape look

665
00:39:14,199 --> 00:39:16,639
or do you want the human look? And that's been

666
00:39:16,679 --> 00:39:19,760
going on for ever since I've been doing this. Now,

667
00:39:20,159 --> 00:39:25,159
it's interesting because pre internet reports tended to be more

668
00:39:25,199 --> 00:39:28,760
ape like, right, And I remember now that not everybody

669
00:39:28,840 --> 00:39:34,920
swallows the The fellow that John Green interviewed that was

670
00:39:35,039 --> 00:39:38,639
captured for you, his name at the moment, Albert Ausman,

671
00:39:38,920 --> 00:39:43,840
Thank you, Albert Ousman. Sorry, not the Albert had intriguing

672
00:39:44,679 --> 00:39:48,800
descriptions of things before a lot of it became commonplace,

673
00:39:49,320 --> 00:39:52,280
and that intrigued the heck out of John Green. Now

674
00:39:52,360 --> 00:39:55,440
the problem there is he went on to describe all

675
00:39:55,559 --> 00:39:58,239
human they were, but then when he did the illustration,

676
00:39:58,519 --> 00:40:02,519
it looked very very Yeah, so we're caught in the

677
00:40:02,639 --> 00:40:05,480
crossroads of what they look like. And of course, if

678
00:40:05,519 --> 00:40:09,440
you have ten different observers looking at the same individual,

679
00:40:10,039 --> 00:40:16,760
given late distance, fear, individual variation, and opinion, half of

680
00:40:16,880 --> 00:40:20,440
them may say every man. Half of them may say gorilla.

681
00:40:20,800 --> 00:40:24,840
I mean people literally aggressive telling me they're gorillas.

682
00:40:25,039 --> 00:40:29,440
Speaker 2: I saw them? What is it? But is it our

683
00:40:29,519 --> 00:40:31,000
projection that does that? You know?

684
00:40:31,159 --> 00:40:33,840
Speaker 4: Is it our minds putting those pieces together? That's another

685
00:40:33,920 --> 00:40:36,639
part of that right now, these are the questions. That's

686
00:40:36,679 --> 00:40:37,320
another reason.

687
00:40:38,079 --> 00:40:41,119
Speaker 5: The footprints are something we can measure and learn from.

688
00:40:42,159 --> 00:40:44,239
But we have to do a better job of the

689
00:40:44,320 --> 00:40:49,800
interpretation of them and the you know, making sure that

690
00:40:49,840 --> 00:40:53,280
we're studying them properly, and also cinding out the post

691
00:40:53,360 --> 00:40:57,280
story where these prints came from, who got them, when

692
00:40:57,360 --> 00:41:01,559
they got them, all those things. David Ziegan is a

693
00:41:02,719 --> 00:41:05,440
forensic scientists over an Atlanta that I'll be working with

694
00:41:05,559 --> 00:41:08,119
in the future. One of my goals here is to

695
00:41:08,199 --> 00:41:11,039
take these images that I get from people, and it's

696
00:41:11,039 --> 00:41:11,679
starting to add up.

697
00:41:11,719 --> 00:41:11,800
Speaker 2: Now.

698
00:41:11,840 --> 00:41:14,920
Speaker 5: I've got numerous Texas researchers who've all agreed to just

699
00:41:15,119 --> 00:41:23,320
literally hand me their stuff. I've got friends in Oklahoma, Oregon, Washington, Ohio, Florida, Georgia, Alabama,

700
00:41:23,719 --> 00:41:27,280
and I'll be working with everybody trying to bring their

701
00:41:27,320 --> 00:41:33,559
images in change their A lot of them are JPEX.

702
00:41:33,920 --> 00:41:37,159
We want them into TIFFs because then you can manipulate

703
00:41:37,239 --> 00:41:39,840
them and not lose resolution over time.

704
00:41:40,599 --> 00:41:42,400
Speaker 2: A lot of people want to wear that. Well.

705
00:41:42,719 --> 00:41:45,320
Speaker 5: Once I've tipped them, then I can bring them up

706
00:41:45,360 --> 00:41:48,320
on my screen. I can rephotograph them in such a

707
00:41:48,400 --> 00:41:50,679
way that I can blow them up to a barn wall.

708
00:41:51,159 --> 00:41:54,880
So there was a six by eight foot size and

709
00:41:55,000 --> 00:41:58,079
now all of a sudden, we can have large potential artifacts,

710
00:41:59,519 --> 00:42:03,920
possible toe breaks, injuries, things of that nature that will

711
00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:09,840
help possibly identify the individuals that made those prints and

712
00:42:09,960 --> 00:42:13,559
over time hopefully be identifiable so that we can see

713
00:42:13,559 --> 00:42:16,000
growth patterns and things like that. This is in the

714
00:42:16,079 --> 00:42:19,159
early stages, but my plan is to have a site

715
00:42:19,760 --> 00:42:23,599
with all these photographs and make them available all the

716
00:42:23,679 --> 00:42:28,719
contributors and to start getting people to photograph them rigorously

717
00:42:29,320 --> 00:42:34,079
with lengths, with in the proper procedures so that people

718
00:42:34,159 --> 00:42:36,599
like David Zigan can dive into it and have a

719
00:42:36,719 --> 00:42:42,199
much easier goal of interpretation and study regarding the SI

720
00:42:43,159 --> 00:42:44,079
CSI factor.

721
00:42:44,559 --> 00:42:48,559
Speaker 4: You know, James, you had a question before, right, let

722
00:42:48,599 --> 00:42:50,280
you out there, go ahead and answer, and then we'll

723
00:42:50,320 --> 00:42:50,960
go around the room.

724
00:42:51,800 --> 00:42:56,400
Speaker 2: So do you always had a theory that like her?

725
00:42:57,519 --> 00:43:02,119
Speaker 5: I'm sorry the end, Henry, are you talking here?

726
00:43:02,360 --> 00:43:02,679
Speaker 2: Sorry?

727
00:43:03,800 --> 00:43:06,199
Speaker 6: We've always had the question of and we've had a

728
00:43:06,280 --> 00:43:10,800
few times, is that do you think pop culture affects

729
00:43:11,800 --> 00:43:16,280
the sightings? Because we've noticed that as like I'll use

730
00:43:16,360 --> 00:43:19,119
movies like Harry and Henderson because it's the most easiest

731
00:43:19,199 --> 00:43:19,960
one to remember.

732
00:43:21,440 --> 00:43:22,119
Speaker 2: I noticed that.

733
00:43:22,679 --> 00:43:25,280
Speaker 6: When once that movie came out, a lot of the

734
00:43:25,400 --> 00:43:29,639
pictures of the cryptid far more to that picture than

735
00:43:29,679 --> 00:43:30,639
they did before.

736
00:43:31,920 --> 00:43:36,079
Speaker 5: Oh. I would say, yeah, especially with the general the

737
00:43:36,280 --> 00:43:41,480
general population reaction, you know, because I mean, how much

738
00:43:41,639 --> 00:43:44,239
do we know? Everybody you talk to will give you

739
00:43:44,320 --> 00:43:48,760
a different answer. And we're still in the learning stages

740
00:43:48,800 --> 00:43:51,760
as far as I'm concerned, and we have so many

741
00:43:51,880 --> 00:43:54,760
people that are well versed with certain aspects of this.

742
00:43:55,320 --> 00:44:01,800
We can't slam those experiences from Alabama and wide continent wide,

743
00:44:02,199 --> 00:44:05,039
all the way to Alaska. I was just in conversation

744
00:44:05,280 --> 00:44:08,400
with a gal out of Mexico. Finally, I've got somebody

745
00:44:08,440 --> 00:44:11,559
from Mexico who's real interested in this, and she's gonna

746
00:44:11,599 --> 00:44:13,719
dig for me. So we can do some work in

747
00:44:13,800 --> 00:44:18,480
Yucatan and some of the crazy states that pronounced down there,

748
00:44:18,920 --> 00:44:23,960
and these mountains areas apparently still have activity. What do

749
00:44:24,119 --> 00:44:28,159
they look like? What is their individual variation? Do their

750
00:44:28,239 --> 00:44:31,840
teenagers look like ours when they grow up? Some of

751
00:44:31,880 --> 00:44:36,360
them achieve defensive tackle status immediately. Others look like wide

752
00:44:36,480 --> 00:44:42,039
ranging wide receivers and cornerbacks and long slender basketball players.

753
00:44:42,320 --> 00:44:44,639
And we get that in adult sasquats. It's two from

754
00:44:44,800 --> 00:44:48,679
time to time. Of course, we're also dealing with aging.

755
00:44:49,440 --> 00:44:52,400
Brian king Sharp and his book as an illustration of

756
00:44:52,480 --> 00:44:55,320
one that looks like it has a stroke. One of

757
00:44:55,360 --> 00:44:59,199
the BFI reports out and I for sifing northwest somewhere

758
00:44:59,559 --> 00:45:01,800
somebody saw one hanging out by a chicken farm.

759
00:45:01,880 --> 00:45:02,039
Speaker 2: Ok.

760
00:45:02,400 --> 00:45:10,280
Speaker 5: Older, old, old, old male with atrification, very slender, possibly

761
00:45:10,360 --> 00:45:13,239
near death. You know, So how is that can affect

762
00:45:13,239 --> 00:45:16,920
the feet, the footprints, how's that can affect the physicality.

763
00:45:17,599 --> 00:45:17,719
Speaker 1: Uh.

764
00:45:18,960 --> 00:45:22,320
Speaker 5: I've got one of my groups is the White biped Project,

765
00:45:22,440 --> 00:45:25,079
and I've kind of let it go just generally over

766
00:45:25,159 --> 00:45:27,360
the few years. But now I'm starting to go to

767
00:45:27,480 --> 00:45:30,960
different states and ask what have you got for white

768
00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:37,679
sasquatch reports, blonde sasquatch reports, silver sasquatch reports. So far,

769
00:45:37,719 --> 00:45:41,400
I got two reports of juveniles that were white, one

770
00:45:41,480 --> 00:45:44,840
that grew up and continued to be white, another that

771
00:45:45,559 --> 00:45:47,760
well it was white, one that was seen, you know.

772
00:45:47,880 --> 00:45:50,639
And then we have white ones with peakish eyes, which

773
00:45:50,679 --> 00:45:53,639
could be albino's. We have white ones with black eyes,

774
00:45:53,679 --> 00:45:57,800
which could be lucistic. We've got blondes, We've got probably

775
00:45:57,920 --> 00:46:02,119
white haired ones like myself or used to be solid black.

776
00:46:02,719 --> 00:46:04,079
People thought I was Hispanic.

777
00:46:04,559 --> 00:46:04,840
Speaker 2: I'm not.

778
00:46:05,440 --> 00:46:10,239
Speaker 5: I'm Norwegian. However, uh here turned white. And then I've

779
00:46:10,360 --> 00:46:14,679
got nervous and lost some So okay, but it's just

780
00:46:14,800 --> 00:46:18,960
important to keep this stuff fun because there's aggressive, nervous

781
00:46:19,119 --> 00:46:22,159
people that we maybe we just have to have fun,

782
00:46:22,480 --> 00:46:24,960
work together, share more, learn more.

783
00:46:25,760 --> 00:46:28,719
Speaker 4: Right and to your credit, Dan, you're doing it. You

784
00:46:28,800 --> 00:46:31,519
know you are out there, You're bringing people together in

785
00:46:31,559 --> 00:46:35,360
these groups, you've got information being shared. You know, again,

786
00:46:35,440 --> 00:46:39,280
you and I have talked for years, decades because hey,

787
00:46:39,360 --> 00:46:42,119
now the final we can use that term right, And

788
00:46:43,760 --> 00:46:45,840
that's one of the things I've alway appreciated your ability

789
00:46:45,920 --> 00:46:47,880
to your transverse groups. And as you and I have

790
00:46:47,960 --> 00:46:49,880
talked about whether we have our own beliefs of what

791
00:46:49,960 --> 00:46:52,719
we think this is, but it's come to coffing turkey,

792
00:46:53,360 --> 00:46:55,079
you know, for the most part, able to put that

793
00:46:55,239 --> 00:46:58,480
down and be able to pull information from everyone. You've

794
00:46:58,559 --> 00:47:01,320
exceeded in that, and I know I'm always happy to

795
00:47:01,360 --> 00:47:04,559
see when something else is posted, and if something goes

796
00:47:04,599 --> 00:47:06,320
for a while without talking, you're the first put on

797
00:47:06,400 --> 00:47:08,360
there to bring the conversation back and start.

798
00:47:08,239 --> 00:47:09,239
Speaker 2: Getting it pumping again.

799
00:47:09,480 --> 00:47:12,760
Speaker 4: You know, tryan yeah while you're succeeding in it, and

800
00:47:12,840 --> 00:47:14,280
I think you should be recognized for that.

801
00:47:14,400 --> 00:47:15,719
Speaker 2: You know, you're talking about Mexico.

802
00:47:15,760 --> 00:47:18,320
Speaker 4: When's the last time we've heard anybody talking about Mexican

803
00:47:18,400 --> 00:47:21,800
sasplot sightings? Because I'm sitting here in my own mind

804
00:47:21,880 --> 00:47:24,360
going when the hell did we When have we even

805
00:47:24,440 --> 00:47:25,480
talked about that last?

806
00:47:25,559 --> 00:47:27,119
Speaker 2: And why have we not talked about it?

807
00:47:27,639 --> 00:47:30,719
Speaker 4: Very few times we talk about South American sightings right,

808
00:47:31,159 --> 00:47:35,480
but very very rarely do we talk about Central America sightings. Uh,

809
00:47:35,719 --> 00:47:37,639
Canada gets a lot of love. But you know, I

810
00:47:37,719 --> 00:47:41,039
think you're you're tapping into something of the potential. Plus

811
00:47:41,119 --> 00:47:43,000
the weather's better. So if you need some assistance, let

812
00:47:43,079 --> 00:47:44,960
Matt and I know we'll dust off passports.

813
00:47:45,000 --> 00:47:50,280
Speaker 5: And you know, if things work out, those Mexican situations

814
00:47:51,000 --> 00:47:52,519
just might happen.

815
00:47:53,039 --> 00:47:54,039
Speaker 2: So I'm interested.

816
00:47:54,480 --> 00:47:57,840
Speaker 5: I've never been interested. I've been. I've been. I've been

817
00:47:57,880 --> 00:48:00,519
to New Mexico, I've been to Texas, I've been to Arizona.

818
00:48:00,880 --> 00:48:04,599
I've been so many hundred yards from the border, on

819
00:48:04,760 --> 00:48:08,159
the on the roads I shouldn't be on. But i

820
00:48:08,559 --> 00:48:10,639
just haven't crossed the border yet. But I'm hoping to

821
00:48:10,719 --> 00:48:14,079
do that. Trained to Maine in Vermont, New Hampshire this

822
00:48:14,280 --> 00:48:17,840
fall for autumn photography and networking with some of the

823
00:48:17,920 --> 00:48:18,880
witnesses up there.

824
00:48:19,360 --> 00:48:21,280
Speaker 2: Well, if you have to pass through Pa, let us

825
00:48:21,360 --> 00:48:22,280
know we'll stop and have one.

826
00:48:22,400 --> 00:48:22,519
Speaker 1: Well.

827
00:48:22,599 --> 00:48:23,960
Speaker 5: And by the way, one of my one of my

828
00:48:24,079 --> 00:48:27,960
host guys from Ohio was Stacy Husteler. He's like a brother.

829
00:48:28,400 --> 00:48:32,119
Speaker 2: Oh yes, say oh yeah, And uh, I've.

830
00:48:31,960 --> 00:48:34,159
Speaker 5: Got numerous other humans down there too that I'm working

831
00:48:34,239 --> 00:48:36,840
with and that's going to flow over. I just haven't

832
00:48:36,920 --> 00:48:40,239
hit Pennsylvania too much yet, but i'd like to. And

833
00:48:40,920 --> 00:48:44,480
the year that I met you, actually the second time

834
00:48:45,400 --> 00:48:47,880
at b Mills's Festival, I got to hook up with

835
00:48:48,079 --> 00:48:50,679
Eric and so we had some ask box. So I'm

836
00:48:50,679 --> 00:48:53,039
looking forward to I'm very envious that you guys get

837
00:48:53,079 --> 00:48:55,000
to work with Stan Gordon so well.

838
00:48:55,000 --> 00:48:57,519
Speaker 4: I'm stand you can't get enough of Stan Gordon, and

839
00:48:57,639 --> 00:48:59,400
I bring the worst out in stand by the way

840
00:48:59,440 --> 00:49:01,559
I get him to say things you never expect come.

841
00:49:01,440 --> 00:49:03,480
Speaker 2: Out of the mouth as being boy. I'm very proud

842
00:49:03,519 --> 00:49:05,320
of that. I really am.

843
00:49:05,760 --> 00:49:09,679
Speaker 5: The way I can see the comedy here. Yeah, you're

844
00:49:09,880 --> 00:49:13,079
humor and that's what to me, that's what it takes

845
00:49:13,079 --> 00:49:16,440
because if we're happy, we're gonna assure more information and

846
00:49:16,519 --> 00:49:18,480
be more motivated. If we're all pissed off in the

847
00:49:18,559 --> 00:49:23,519
corner drinkers and uh, you know, doing things we shouldn't,

848
00:49:24,199 --> 00:49:26,119
then there's this isn't gonna be as much stuff.

849
00:49:25,920 --> 00:49:28,320
Speaker 4: Done, right, I said, Look, you know, like you said,

850
00:49:28,480 --> 00:49:31,239
the comedy brings people together. The humor, you know, when

851
00:49:31,239 --> 00:49:33,440
we're all having a good time, everybody wants for together. Yeah,

852
00:49:33,440 --> 00:49:34,840
there's appropriate times to be pissed.

853
00:49:35,000 --> 00:49:35,519
Speaker 2: There really is.

854
00:49:35,920 --> 00:49:38,920
Speaker 4: But at the same time, as we start working through

855
00:49:39,199 --> 00:49:41,800
through all this like it, it's incredibly important that we

856
00:49:42,159 --> 00:49:45,360
do recognize the humanity behind it. And now you talk

857
00:49:45,400 --> 00:49:49,280
about Standboard and even though I just a lot, just

858
00:49:49,400 --> 00:49:51,559
a wealth of knowledge, and you know, stands very on

859
00:49:51,639 --> 00:49:54,880
the paranmormal aspect, he fully believes his things an interdimensional preacher.

860
00:49:55,199 --> 00:49:58,000
Speaker 2: Sure I don't, but that doesn't mean I'm right. That

861
00:49:58,039 --> 00:49:59,039
doesn't mean I don't love.

862
00:49:59,039 --> 00:50:01,360
Speaker 4: Stan and I don't approiate the research he's done or

863
00:50:01,400 --> 00:50:04,360
the work that he's done because his work has taken

864
00:50:04,440 --> 00:50:07,079
him somewhere else that my work has taken me. And

865
00:50:07,599 --> 00:50:10,400
who the hell am I to invalidates Danglode's work. You know,

866
00:50:10,599 --> 00:50:12,840
he's put the boots on the ground. He's done this

867
00:50:13,039 --> 00:50:15,639
longer than I've been even a twinkle in my granddaddy's beer.

868
00:50:16,239 --> 00:50:19,880
You know, those are the things that you got to

869
00:50:19,880 --> 00:50:20,119
look at.

870
00:50:20,119 --> 00:50:20,719
Speaker 2: It doesn't mean we.

871
00:50:20,760 --> 00:50:23,880
Speaker 4: Can't get along, right, Like, if there's a respect thing there,

872
00:50:24,360 --> 00:50:26,840
and if we're all sharing parts of the puzzle one day,

873
00:50:27,639 --> 00:50:30,239
you know, I'm sure it'll all pull through or we've

874
00:50:30,280 --> 00:50:31,000
all been crazy.

875
00:50:31,119 --> 00:50:32,039
Speaker 2: I mean, that's the other.

876
00:50:32,880 --> 00:50:36,239
Speaker 5: Yeah, Yeah, Well, the thing is like with the paranormal aspect.

877
00:50:36,320 --> 00:50:38,800
To me, it's just like an determined science. What is

878
00:50:38,840 --> 00:50:41,280
our science going to develop into as we learn more.

879
00:50:41,559 --> 00:50:45,199
When I was growing up, hypnotherapy and hypnotism was not

880
00:50:45,559 --> 00:50:50,000
accepted by everybody, would not in two thousand and two,

881
00:50:50,639 --> 00:50:55,599
was not accepted by everybody. I was getting parallel behavior

882
00:50:56,519 --> 00:51:05,480
schemes written up for me by property owners in Virginia, Tennessee, Indiana,

883
00:51:05,880 --> 00:51:08,159
and so I was starting to see behavioral patterns that

884
00:51:08,239 --> 00:51:10,440
I felt like I could rely on. So I could

885
00:51:10,480 --> 00:51:14,519
actually tell the witness, you won't be hurt, you don't

886
00:51:14,599 --> 00:51:18,519
have to be afraid. Let's try this, let's try that,

887
00:51:19,320 --> 00:51:21,679
and whether it's a signature whistle to get them to

888
00:51:22,039 --> 00:51:24,039
pick up on so so all of a sudden you're

889
00:51:24,039 --> 00:51:28,159
whistling back and forth, or you know, most people get

890
00:51:28,199 --> 00:51:32,239
excited about offering treats, but these guys, a lot of

891
00:51:32,320 --> 00:51:36,159
them are garbage can dumpster divers, and so they're getting

892
00:51:36,159 --> 00:51:39,320
all kinds of protein, garbage and sweets and stuff like that.

893
00:51:41,000 --> 00:51:43,800
If we do this with some common sense and we're

894
00:51:43,840 --> 00:51:47,440
patient and we work together, I just think we can

895
00:51:47,519 --> 00:51:47,960
get further.

896
00:51:48,639 --> 00:51:52,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a good night. Folks. Not I'm kidding you, guys.

897
00:51:52,960 --> 00:51:53,559
Speaker 5: Thank you very much.

898
00:51:56,559 --> 00:51:58,480
Speaker 2: No, that's it, and I mean, I mean that's perfect

899
00:51:58,519 --> 00:52:01,000
points made, guys, be or I take too much more

900
00:52:01,000 --> 00:52:01,719
of our time to night.

901
00:52:01,800 --> 00:52:06,280
Speaker 4: Matt Van Henry, any questions for Dan, because Dan and

902
00:52:06,320 --> 00:52:07,280
I can yack all night.

903
00:52:07,440 --> 00:52:08,039
Speaker 5: But what do you go?

904
00:52:08,199 --> 00:52:13,519
Speaker 1: I do have a question, probably within the last four minutes,

905
00:52:13,599 --> 00:52:17,840
you're speaking about a lot of these sightings in UH

906
00:52:18,519 --> 00:52:23,280
Southern United States, Texas, Mexico, et cetera. Has there been

907
00:52:23,480 --> 00:52:29,599
any casted footprints that you are aware of in Mexico.

908
00:52:30,400 --> 00:52:34,639
Speaker 5: Yes, right, I don't have that information.

909
00:52:34,960 --> 00:52:38,039
Speaker 1: Now, that's fine. I was just curious to know if

910
00:52:38,079 --> 00:52:42,800
there were any casted footprints, whether it was plaster of

911
00:52:42,920 --> 00:52:46,079
Paris or otherwise, in these areas.

912
00:52:46,400 --> 00:52:49,280
Speaker 5: I want to connect with you guys long term, and

913
00:52:49,480 --> 00:52:52,159
so anything I scare up and come up with, I'll

914
00:52:52,159 --> 00:52:52,960
be glad to send you.

915
00:52:53,360 --> 00:52:55,039
Speaker 1: Oh, we greatly appreciate it.

916
00:52:55,360 --> 00:52:58,719
Speaker 5: The correspondence with this scale from Mexico. My plan is

917
00:52:59,039 --> 00:53:02,239
I started out with her. We did myself and another

918
00:53:02,360 --> 00:53:07,039
fellow wonderful guy worked I worked with. We did every

919
00:53:07,760 --> 00:53:15,199
country in Central America, we did every state in Mexico,

920
00:53:16,079 --> 00:53:20,639
and we listed all the reptiles and amphibians at these locations,

921
00:53:21,079 --> 00:53:24,360
in addition to all the states and territories in the

922
00:53:24,440 --> 00:53:27,800
United States and Canada. Now that's going to get me

923
00:53:29,079 --> 00:53:36,360
correspondence with repetologists. These guys should know, mammalogists, primate specialists

924
00:53:36,920 --> 00:53:39,840
of the people in science at these universities down there,

925
00:53:40,440 --> 00:53:42,679
and that I'm hoping that I can find some people

926
00:53:42,800 --> 00:53:47,719
are They're rigorous in scaring up locals who have claims

927
00:53:48,320 --> 00:53:51,079
and so this book hasn't been opened yet, but it's

928
00:53:51,360 --> 00:53:55,119
on the plan cheap and I'm hoping to really really

929
00:53:55,360 --> 00:53:58,880
dig deep into Mexico and see what we can come

930
00:53:58,960 --> 00:53:59,159
up with.

931
00:53:59,719 --> 00:54:00,639
Speaker 1: Think that's awesome.

932
00:54:00,760 --> 00:54:02,000
Speaker 5: I think we'll be surprised.

933
00:54:03,119 --> 00:54:04,639
Speaker 1: That's awesome. Thank you.

934
00:54:06,719 --> 00:54:12,719
Speaker 6: Oh do you think and I'm not trying to be political,

935
00:54:12,920 --> 00:54:19,199
but do you think due to the current border, you know, situation,

936
00:54:20,039 --> 00:54:22,880
that we would get more sightings because there'd be more

937
00:54:22,960 --> 00:54:25,679
boots on the ground, or do you think those sightings

938
00:54:25,719 --> 00:54:28,599
would be more of a you know, between Mexico and

939
00:54:28,639 --> 00:54:30,480
the United States, they would be more hushed up.

940
00:54:31,239 --> 00:54:33,679
Speaker 5: I think a lot of things are really hushed up.

941
00:54:34,599 --> 00:54:35,159
Speaker 2: I really do.

942
00:54:35,840 --> 00:54:39,519
Speaker 5: And in speaking with people who are employed and I

943
00:54:39,639 --> 00:54:43,159
was employed by the State of Wisconsin Department Natural Resources.

944
00:54:45,559 --> 00:54:48,360
I've got friends that have worked with Department National Resources

945
00:54:48,440 --> 00:54:53,960
in Michigan, Iowa, numerous other states, and I know that

946
00:54:54,159 --> 00:54:57,920
people are working privately behind the scenes in certain areas

947
00:54:58,000 --> 00:55:05,440
where there's potential h evidence talking nest beds, talking footprints,

948
00:55:05,599 --> 00:55:09,840
talking other things where people have come in and destroyed

949
00:55:09,880 --> 00:55:10,440
the location.

950
00:55:11,280 --> 00:55:11,480
Speaker 6: Yeah.

951
00:55:12,119 --> 00:55:16,119
Speaker 5: Right, I've seen that happen in Michigan, that happened in Florida,

952
00:55:16,920 --> 00:55:20,960
and speaking with some of the guys at Yellowstone of

953
00:55:21,159 --> 00:55:24,000
one of the rangers told me he had two sasquatch

954
00:55:24,480 --> 00:55:29,320
incidences there and then some suspect once, but nothing was

955
00:55:29,519 --> 00:55:33,400
ever said between him and the brass your office. So

956
00:55:33,599 --> 00:55:36,800
most of what happens is when there's an alleged potential

957
00:55:36,880 --> 00:55:41,760
sasquatch report, the area gets fenced off. In his case,

958
00:55:42,239 --> 00:55:46,079
he had a foreign visitor call. He took the call,

959
00:55:46,639 --> 00:55:50,960
and this was like in the early maybe around two

960
00:55:51,039 --> 00:55:54,760
thousand and eight something like that. Basically what happened was

961
00:55:54,880 --> 00:55:59,920
she said, I have questions about grizzly bears. Okay, are

962
00:56:00,000 --> 00:56:05,159
are they typically yellowish or tannish color? No, not typically

963
00:56:05,280 --> 00:56:08,239
what they could be? Do they typically walk around on

964
00:56:08,360 --> 00:56:11,280
two legs? Car, big big bundles of grass.

965
00:56:11,840 --> 00:56:15,960
Speaker 1: Yeah right, wow, they don't. She got interesting.

966
00:56:15,760 --> 00:56:19,480
Speaker 5: Personally, got angry, thought he was calling her a liar.

967
00:56:20,039 --> 00:56:22,760
He happened to casually mention it to the brass behind

968
00:56:22,800 --> 00:56:26,079
the desk, and within two days that whole area was

969
00:56:26,199 --> 00:56:31,119
roped off. In another incident, they had trophy hunters protection

970
00:56:31,960 --> 00:56:34,400
some of the guys rangers that would ride at night

971
00:56:35,440 --> 00:56:39,760
concerned about the big trophy bull elk being taken out.

972
00:56:40,480 --> 00:56:42,320
So these guys were kind of there to help to

973
00:56:42,800 --> 00:56:44,559
discourage poachers.

974
00:56:45,320 --> 00:56:47,119
Speaker 1: A poacher right right, right, These.

975
00:56:47,000 --> 00:56:51,199
Speaker 5: Guys got terrified by vocalizations, trees being pushed down on

976
00:56:51,320 --> 00:56:58,079
the roads, and just things thrown at them, you know,

977
00:56:58,840 --> 00:57:02,880
whether branches, land, pine cones or whatever, more like rocks.

978
00:57:02,960 --> 00:57:04,719
Because I'm just like, oh my god.

979
00:57:04,599 --> 00:57:05,280
Speaker 2: We're in trouble.

980
00:57:05,400 --> 00:57:10,920
Speaker 5: Somebody's throwing pine cones. Doesn't resonate very you know, dominantly so.

981
00:57:11,480 --> 00:57:14,519
But anyway, that area got fenced off as well. And

982
00:57:14,679 --> 00:57:17,719
then I've got another friend that interviewed a ranger over

983
00:57:17,840 --> 00:57:21,079
at Glacier National Park and it was a senior ranger

984
00:57:21,159 --> 00:57:23,000
and he just pulled the guy aside and he said, look,

985
00:57:23,639 --> 00:57:29,400
we have sasquatches here park. Knows we're not saying anything right.

986
00:57:29,719 --> 00:57:33,000
Conversation never happened, right. A friend of mine that I

987
00:57:33,159 --> 00:57:35,679
visited in Georgia in two thousand and eight, first time,

988
00:57:35,760 --> 00:57:41,039
I finally got a signature footprint and numerous trails and

989
00:57:41,400 --> 00:57:46,719
other suspect things, and eventually Vocalizations sent parabolic equipment to her. Nationally,

990
00:57:47,159 --> 00:57:51,199
individuals come up on the porch and pulled the pulled

991
00:57:51,239 --> 00:57:54,159
the mic right out of the parabolic dish and left

992
00:57:54,199 --> 00:57:57,519
to hanging by the wire. And that was quite an evening.

993
00:57:57,599 --> 00:57:59,920
But anyway, long story, that was a It was great

994
00:58:00,039 --> 00:58:02,039
too because it was one of the females and she

995
00:58:02,280 --> 00:58:05,840
had thirteen and seven eighths in footprint because she stepped

996
00:58:05,880 --> 00:58:08,519
in a tarp. It just it just ran and so

997
00:58:08,599 --> 00:58:10,719
there was water in the tarp and she stepped on it.

998
00:58:11,119 --> 00:58:17,639
And my friend was able to determine that determined she

999
00:58:17,760 --> 00:58:21,320
went climbed the stairs down, found the footprints and it

1000
00:58:21,440 --> 00:58:28,760
was quite fantastic. Anyway, her her boss, uh, the father

1001
00:58:29,000 --> 00:58:32,199
of her boss, worked for the four Street apartment. He

1002
00:58:32,400 --> 00:58:37,880
was told, if you see a sasquatch, if you find

1003
00:58:37,920 --> 00:58:43,519
the nest bed, destroy it. Don't tell anybody what anything.

1004
00:58:44,239 --> 00:58:46,440
Don't tell anybody.

1005
00:58:46,679 --> 00:58:48,719
Speaker 1: Oh, to destroy it.

1006
00:58:49,360 --> 00:58:49,599
Speaker 2: Wow.

1007
00:58:50,239 --> 00:58:51,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, Wow.

1008
00:58:51,880 --> 00:58:56,719
Speaker 5: I think there's different policies and different John my aunt Zinski,

1009
00:58:57,119 --> 00:58:59,239
I can't pronounce it, but he's a good buddy of

1010
00:58:59,559 --> 00:59:05,360
doctors more and he was all basically he worked on

1011
00:59:06,480 --> 00:59:11,920
game animals in Wyoming and he was the fellow who's

1012
00:59:12,000 --> 00:59:14,760
got a podcast out there talking about where he's in

1013
00:59:14,840 --> 00:59:19,000
the tent, and he got it was bacon stained, and

1014
00:59:19,360 --> 00:59:21,760
he was convinced a grizzly bear was on the outside

1015
00:59:21,760 --> 00:59:25,480
of the tent turned out to be a sasquatch was down,

1016
00:59:25,840 --> 00:59:28,199
and he slammed it thinking it was the bear's nose.

1017
00:59:28,639 --> 00:59:31,440
Nearly broke his hand because of that. When he went

1018
00:59:31,519 --> 00:59:36,199
on to talk about the policies in the threats that

1019
00:59:36,360 --> 00:59:39,960
he got. If he were to ever bring up sasquatch

1020
00:59:40,039 --> 00:59:45,199
subject matter in the university system or the wildlife system,

1021
00:59:45,880 --> 00:59:48,119
what do you mind? I went to college with ended

1022
00:59:48,199 --> 00:59:54,159
up crazy in charge of all the predators that would

1023
00:59:54,239 --> 00:59:58,079
cause problems with wildlife or excuse me, problems with livestock,

1024
00:59:58,440 --> 01:00:03,559
so livestock depredation. So so John was in charge official

1025
01:00:03,559 --> 01:00:10,800
wildlife Department of National Resource and also uh athos And

1026
01:00:10,840 --> 01:00:12,559
I'm like, I'm go any further with him because I don't.

1027
01:00:12,599 --> 01:00:15,320
I know he wouldn't appreciate his name associated on the

1028
01:00:15,360 --> 01:00:21,159
air publicly. But I sent a what I believe was

1029
01:00:21,199 --> 01:00:26,159
the juvenile sasquatch footprint to him, and normally he would

1030
01:00:26,199 --> 01:00:30,199
respond in an hour. He didn't respond for two days,

1031
01:00:31,679 --> 01:00:35,719
and when he did he goes ned Ah, this is

1032
01:00:35,760 --> 01:00:40,280
the strangest most abart has to be juvenile black bear

1033
01:00:40,360 --> 01:00:41,360
print I've ever seen.

1034
01:00:41,880 --> 01:00:42,159
Speaker 1: Wow.

1035
01:00:42,400 --> 01:00:45,119
Speaker 5: That's where we go with that, and that's that that

1036
01:00:45,920 --> 01:00:49,559
that system we have, our belief system kind of dictates

1037
01:00:49,880 --> 01:00:53,679
what we accept as possible. And we all know people who,

1038
01:00:54,119 --> 01:00:57,719
under no circumstances will they ever look at evidence, to

1039
01:00:57,800 --> 01:00:59,960
listen to evidence or think about possibility.

1040
01:01:00,800 --> 01:01:06,360
Speaker 1: Even though a juvenile bear, whether it's black or grizzly, whichever,

1041
01:01:06,559 --> 01:01:09,800
it's gonna have claw prints in there. And if there's

1042
01:01:09,840 --> 01:01:13,800
no claw prints, how are you gonna justify that?

1043
01:01:14,679 --> 01:01:18,360
Speaker 5: Well, let's just say that the big toe was like ours. Yeah,

1044
01:01:19,000 --> 01:01:22,519
black grizz print. They're all pretty years, right, Usually the

1045
01:01:22,559 --> 01:01:23,599
biggest toes in the middle.

1046
01:01:23,920 --> 01:01:27,519
Speaker 4: Yep, guys, we've run out of time this hour, Matt Henry,

1047
01:01:27,599 --> 01:01:31,079
any final questions you have before we fly off the air.

1048
01:01:32,360 --> 01:01:34,400
Speaker 1: I just want to give a big thank you for

1049
01:01:34,639 --> 01:01:38,920
you showing up tonight and sharing these, you know, stories

1050
01:01:39,000 --> 01:01:44,159
that you had to share with us. That was greatly appreciated, heartfelt.

1051
01:01:45,199 --> 01:01:48,400
Speaker 5: Well, thank you, thank you. I feel like we just

1052
01:01:48,880 --> 01:01:50,039
we just got started and.

1053
01:01:50,239 --> 01:01:54,599
Speaker 4: Yeah, scratch just the surface, didn't we Well, there's definitely

1054
01:01:55,480 --> 01:01:56,840
definitely needs to be a part two.

1055
01:01:57,519 --> 01:02:02,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, go ahead, Henry, what were you gonna say, Bud No,

1056
01:02:02,519 --> 01:02:04,800
I was just gonna say. I appreciate him coming on

1057
01:02:04,960 --> 01:02:05,400
as well.

1058
01:02:05,559 --> 01:02:06,360
Speaker 1: He really great.

1059
01:02:06,480 --> 01:02:11,519
Speaker 4: Guessed, Yeah, absolutely, Matt will try you this time again,

1060
01:02:12,679 --> 01:02:15,800
and then there was silence. Well he's talking, but I can't.

1061
01:02:15,840 --> 01:02:19,760
I'm not good at reading lips. So we don't have

1062
01:02:19,920 --> 01:02:24,159
your buddy. Sorry we lost Matt, but definitely need to

1063
01:02:24,199 --> 01:02:27,840
get you on for a part too. Dan the surface, Yes,

1064
01:02:27,920 --> 01:02:33,719
we do the surface. You've been watching work before, I

1065
01:02:33,719 --> 01:02:35,639
guess before we go, Dan, where can folks find you?

1066
01:02:36,599 --> 01:02:42,920
Speaker 5: Uh? Dana Nidrolo is my number one profile on the air,

1067
01:02:43,360 --> 01:02:46,440
you know, on on Facebook. Uh, if you google me,

1068
01:02:46,599 --> 01:02:49,480
it's like a website. I've been doing this a while,

1069
01:02:49,880 --> 01:02:54,719
so it's very crazy. I've had three sightings. I had

1070
01:02:54,760 --> 01:02:58,519
the two too. Maybe the same individual down the Ozarks,

1071
01:02:58,920 --> 01:03:02,360
whether Randy Herrington Shane Carpenter with those are mountain Sasquatch.

1072
01:03:02,760 --> 01:03:06,000
I've also worked with. I have another group out in

1073
01:03:06,079 --> 01:03:09,559
Idaho that I'm involved with, and we'll be much much

1074
01:03:09,599 --> 01:03:13,960
more in their future. And that is a legacy discovery.

1075
01:03:14,800 --> 01:03:19,800
And we have juveniles interacting with a family of folks there.

1076
01:03:20,480 --> 01:03:26,239
It would be uh, Angelique Benham and her son Mitchell Wiley,

1077
01:03:26,840 --> 01:03:31,239
and these folks are documenting incredible things there. And I've

1078
01:03:31,280 --> 01:03:33,719
had some personal experiences as well. By the way, I've

1079
01:03:33,760 --> 01:03:36,320
had some experiences that I can't explain and don't understand.

1080
01:03:36,840 --> 01:03:38,840
I'm all that science work it out down the road.

1081
01:03:39,199 --> 01:03:41,280
Speaker 1: Well, this is why we're going to have a part two.

1082
01:03:42,000 --> 01:03:44,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely, we're gonna have to book this sooner rather

1083
01:03:44,880 --> 01:03:45,239
than later.

1084
01:03:47,519 --> 01:03:52,480
Speaker 5: After you invested, or after you talk with a thousand

1085
01:03:52,559 --> 01:03:59,679
plus people. Patterns of rise, interesting facts see which are

1086
01:04:00,000 --> 01:04:04,800
obviously not facts but seem to become facts because parallel

1087
01:04:04,920 --> 01:04:11,239
repeated behavior pattern or physical character or other things. And

1088
01:04:12,199 --> 01:04:14,360
I think the over well, I'll just leave you with this.

1089
01:04:14,519 --> 01:04:18,239
The most overwhelming aspect of the study for me is

1090
01:04:18,360 --> 01:04:25,440
the fact that we have an unverified giant primitive that

1091
01:04:25,760 --> 01:04:28,960
can take on the look of a giant grade ape

1092
01:04:29,639 --> 01:04:35,719
or a giant airyman that has exhibited behavior from all aspects,

1093
01:04:35,800 --> 01:04:41,360
from gentleness to scaring the living crap out of the

1094
01:04:42,039 --> 01:04:46,559
armed personnel. And I just love the fact that there

1095
01:04:46,559 --> 01:04:49,440
are generations of people's in the hollows in the south

1096
01:04:50,159 --> 01:04:52,760
and the north, and in the mountains and in the

1097
01:04:52,840 --> 01:04:57,119
swamps that know. Oh, those the airy people are fine.

1098
01:04:57,760 --> 01:05:00,800
Just leave them alone. We'll leave they'll leave us. They've

1099
01:05:00,840 --> 01:05:03,039
been there forever. They're pick in the windows. Once in

1100
01:05:03,079 --> 01:05:06,199
a while. There's a little black one that kicks a dog.

1101
01:05:06,840 --> 01:05:09,199
And that was told to my grandmother who was eighty

1102
01:05:09,239 --> 01:05:12,320
some years old, who talked to me unimaker before I did,

1103
01:05:12,440 --> 01:05:14,639
back in the day, and sir, she would get to

1104
01:05:14,719 --> 01:05:17,320
meet my witnesses and talk with them and then hand

1105
01:05:17,400 --> 01:05:20,119
the phone over and go, we think we've got it solved,

1106
01:05:20,159 --> 01:05:22,719
but you might want to put your two cents soon

1107
01:05:22,800 --> 01:05:23,000
on it.

1108
01:05:23,679 --> 01:05:26,760
Speaker 2: So that's the SoundBite for the show right there, folks.

1109
01:05:26,800 --> 01:05:29,119
I'm Sean Forker. That's Dan Dedrello.

1110
01:05:29,199 --> 01:05:31,480
Speaker 4: He's been our guest tonight dance and has that Matt Arnoer,

1111
01:05:31,599 --> 01:05:34,159
James Baker off, Henry May Henry take us out with

1112
01:05:34,199 --> 01:05:35,199
those dulcet tones.

1113
01:05:36,280 --> 01:05:40,159
Speaker 2: Maybe y'all be good begging at there you go, folks,

1114
01:05:40,400 --> 01:05:43,000
keep on squatching. Good night, everybody. Thanks for listening.

1115
01:05:45,679 --> 01:05:49,199
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1116
01:05:49,360 --> 01:05:58,239
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1117
01:05:58,320 --> 01:06:01,480
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1118
01:06:03,719 --> 01:06:20,800
Speaker 1: M keep on squatching, mm hm