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Speaker 2: Indeed, it's quiet.
Speaker 4: Hello, hit somebody out here.
Speaker 2: And good evening everyone.
Speaker 4: Welcome to the Sasquatch Experience for Monday, July thirteenth, twenty
twenty six. I'm Sean the fork Chop Worker, your host,
and tonight we have a great guest with us, mister
Dan Adrello from Wisconsin.
Speaker 2: But he's all over.
Speaker 4: You can't tie Dan down, and we're going to get
to Dan in just a minute. But gentlemen, we have
a full crew tonight. It's great to have everybody here.
Speaker 1: Yes, indeed, we got vance back.
Speaker 2: Baker, Henry's here, Matt's here.
Speaker 4: He's on mute, but he's here, and we are going
to have a great show tonight, folks.
Speaker 2: I hope you enjoy this we have.
Speaker 4: This past weekend, we attended the first ever pair of
storm Fest in Tarspa, myself and Jim Baker. We got
to hang out with Stan Gordon, Eric Altman, Tommyhawk, the Tricks,
our friends, Jimmy and d D, Mike Ann, Christy London,
the beautiful Blue Eyed n Path. We had a lot
of fun, guys. It was a great time. It was
the first event of its kind. We got to meet
doctor Greg Forbes. If you're a severe weather or enthusiast
like I am in honor to meet doctor Forbes and
looking forward to the next one if they have another one.
Speaker 2: It was a good time. I had a lot of
fun there at that event.
Speaker 4: Thanks to the PA storm Chasers for hosting it and
inviting us along. It was a great time. I can't
say anything more positive about it. It was a great experience,
great to see my friends.
Speaker 1: And my big question to you, Sean, how Stan doing.
Speaker 2: Dan's great?
Speaker 1: No, that's awesome to hear. He looks that.
Speaker 4: He's younger every time I see him, right, like he's
aging in reverse.
Speaker 1: Well that's good to know because he's one of my
favorites and.
Speaker 2: Rightfully so, like we didn't try to kill him this time, No, no,
not this time.
Speaker 4: There was no Marge, there was no death march for
Stan Gordon. So we had a great time with Stan.
Actually hung out with Dan most of the day.
Speaker 1: Oh, that's awesome.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was. We had a lot of fun.
Speaker 4: And of course, you know, everybody talks about that seventy
three bigfoot UFO flap in Westmoreland County, right which is
the you know, the lynch Pin. I think of a
lot of Stan's research and presentations and he hits on
that without a beat. And I'll tell you there's a
lot from that still coming forward to this day. You
never know if you're going to meet yet another witness
from that time frame who comes forward.
Speaker 2: So yes, there's always merit and talking about some of
these old.
Speaker 1: Almost a deathbed confession, right you never know, right, you don't.
Speaker 4: And folks, as they progress in life get a little
bit more open, especially as these as these topics become
more mainstream. I had brain fart there forgiving me.
Speaker 1: That's all right.
Speaker 2: So it was a great time, great time had by all.
Speaker 4: And before I kick us off and get over to Dan,
I do want to make a couple of show of notes.
This Saturday, July eighteenth, if you're listening to the podcast,
Matt will be representing the Appalachian Plateau Project and US
at the Appalachian Conjure Folklore, Magic and Moonshine event at
the Thunderhead Lodge and andres Pa Matt, are you I
think Andreas Pennsylvania? Yep, Andreas at the Thunderhead Lodge to
twenty twenty West penn Pike Andreas paw one one and
it's from twelve to five, So stop buy and see Matt.
Take your picture, give him a little love because he
loves going to this event. This is your second year going, right, man,
second year at this event. Wonderful event. We'll be talking
about bigfoot reports along the Appalachian Trail in Pennsylvania. And
we had so many people come up last year that
lived in the area and thing basically gave us a
new hotspot. Oh really, yes, Our executive producer Brian says,
bring the moonshine home, Matt.
Speaker 2: He wants you to bring some moonshine many.
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, sure you will. Yeah, just be sure it's
legal to travel, all right.
Speaker 4: Then we had the fourth annual Central Pennsylvania Bigfoot and
Crypted Festival on Saturday, August the fifteenth, at nine am
at the Susquehanna Valley Mall won Susquehanna Valley Drive, Feeling's Grove,
PA one seven eight seven oz. I'll be there as
the MC with the team of the Sasquatch Experience. I
don't know who us is going to show up yet,
but we've been there every year and it's a great event.
It's going to be inside, air conditioned, and there's going
to be a heck of a lot of speakers, so
we're going to have a great time at that event.
And then the second annual White Deer Community Park Bigfoot
and Bluegrass Festival on Saturday, September twelfth at ten am
Rainer Shine at the White Deer Community Park nine to
nine two White Deer Pike, White, Dear Pa. I'll be
speaking at that event as well as Gwen Purcell from
Gotten Knockers. Bill Rigby will be there and it's going
to be a great time. So hopefully I didn't miss
anybody from that speaking lineup, but if I did, check
these we'll be posting them on our Facebook page, Sasquatch Experience.
Check us out, come see us as we start winding
down the year. We've been at very few events this year,
and so catch us while you ken, gentlemen, any of
the places you're going to be at. Anything I missed
before I jump into Dan.
Speaker 1: Nothing?
Speaker 2: Oh wow, that's a huge.
Speaker 4: Well for the folks that really came here tonight for
some entertainment and some really good information. We have a
great researcher tonight. And I say great because I've known
Dan a long time. Mister Dan Adrella from Wisconsin. Dan
is a wildlife photographer with a tractor's instinct and a
bigfoot researcher with decades of field grip behind him. Known
for blending scientific discipline with boots on the ground investigations.
The drellispect years navigating the deep woods, analyzing sighting reports,
and documenting wildlife behavior that most people never get close
enough to witness. A trained herpetologist and veteran naturalists, his
photography has appeared in museums, observation programs, and educational exhibits nationwide.
But it's this calm, methodical approach to the Sasquatch phenomenon,
cutting through the noise, focusing on habitat behavior and biological
plausibility that's made him a respected voice in the field.
Whether he's breaking down credible encounters, discussing ecological patterns, or
sharing stories from nights spent and remote willnesses. Dan brings
sharp insight, grouted expertise, and a no nonsense perspective to
every conversation. And Dan, welcome in the Sasquat experience. Thanks
for joining us tonight.
Speaker 5: Heard and fully appreciated.
Speaker 2: So thank you, Dan.
Speaker 4: We've known each other since probably the mid double lots
there in the early two thousands. For folks, bigfoot research
has been going on for a long time. Dan and
I are kind of old heads, and we're not talking
about the gray hairs. We're just talking about the length
of time we've spent in the field. But Dan, what
makes you unique is you really get your ass out
there and you go all over and you've been well
tell us some Well, first of all, let's do two things.
Speaker 2: Tell us how the hell you got started in this.
Speaker 5: The first paragraph always has to start with missus Betty Weber,
my fifth grade teacher. She made a mistake of saying
the word bominable snowman in fifth grade. That led to
a quick check in Encyclopedia. Holy you know what Yetti's
and Shipton and the Malayas and some adults are taking
this serious. But why no scientific verification? Boy, I had
no idea what was coming around the corner on that one.
But that led to Ivan T. Sanderson's book. And I
was ten years old in fifth grade. That happened to
be sixty seven, So I'm dated an old guy. I'm
gonna be seventy next year, which is incredibly difficult and
ridiculous to believe. But time flies, especially when you're having fun,
and that's what I'm trying to do here is keep
this fun, because this could be one of the most
frustrating attempts. I had to wait fifty nine years for
my first diurnal observation WOW, which happened to occur last year.
After I was speaking in Alabama, I was on my
way back to visit friends. I was going to try
to hook up with Tina Harder, but I didn't have
enough time to give her heads up, so so I
hooked up with some other friends in Indiana. I'll go
into that in a bit. But after doing a quick
literature search all through middle school, high school, I couldn't
find adults to talk to about it, so I was
kind of like a one man show. I went on
to u W Stevens Point and got a degree in
wild i apology. I knew I was going to be
a herpetologist in third grade, so I was kind of
like the American version of Steve Irwin. I just kept,
you know. I didn't have video cameras or anything like that,
but I did document every damn trip that I went
on and every new species I found. And I hooked
up with a guy after I graduated from college by
the name of Alan Sheldon, and we happened to be
some of the premier reptile amphibian photographers actually in North America.
So we competed against some of the best photographers in
North America in Europe to place our photography, and we
did fairly well. I also eventually got into weddings and
scenics and model work and just up and down lines
of photography. And then all of a sudden we go digital,
and then everybody's got their equipment, and all of a
sudden it became more difficult to place published photographs. I
still do it. I just had one with Minnesota Volunteer
Magazine actually this month, and that was kind of the
beginning of it. Then I didn't get to travel much
as a kids, so as soon as I got my
driver's license, I was off to Arkansas, and by the
time I was eighteen, I hit Florida for the first
time when I met al and we went all up
and down the United States, and then eventually I worked
for a department in the Army and took different contract
jobs doing reptile and amphibian surveys. Eventually val assessment work
with birds and amphibian's reptiles. But my love for this
was being a wildlife photographer, getting as close to anything
as I can for anything that sucked air, whether it
was a tiny little invertebrate or big macro. I still
haven't got the big wheel work done, but I want
to get that as soon as I can. And basically
just snapping thousands of photographs to make sure that you've
got the best chance at the very best piece that
nobody else's got, because that's what's going to take the
place if you're going to go for publishing.
Speaker 4: So oh absolutely, college who drives the direction. You're quite
credentially and we're always pleased to have folks with credential
backgrounds to join us on the shelf.
Speaker 2: While there's no experts in bigfoot, the thing I like.
Speaker 4: To point out because people always bust our balls because
we use we talked to the experts and the opener.
Speaker 2: We talked to experts in their field of expertise.
Speaker 4: So we talked to photographers, we talked to law enforcement
people that are professional in their field, that bring an
expertise to this field. So while there are no experts bigfoot,
there are experts in photography. There are experts present data collections.
So that's what I mean when I say we talked
to the experts. Those are the people we talked to
and Dan. One of the things we talk about here
as well is wilderness safety. So when you're talking about
wild life, somebody of your background being able to tell people, hey,
you know what, watch for the hell you step. You
can end up on the backside or the bad side
of a rital snake and then you're screwed.
Speaker 2: You know. Those are the reasons why we bring people
with credentials on the.
Speaker 4: Show to share and educate and inform the publics who
are really pleased to have you, not just from the
big foot standpoint, but from your overall perspective of wilderness,
wilderness safety, and photography, because it is important that we talk.
Speaker 2: About some of those things.
Speaker 4: Did you ever get a chance to tell missus weber
out much of an impact she had on you?
Speaker 5: I did, Yeah, if she laughed and giggled the whole time.
And I actually did tell her what my other interests
were because she knew about the you know, I mean,
I got my first book in strict fielding. I was
in ninth grade by the time I graduated from high school.
She was thirty pounds on her way to Milwaukee to
be bred, and we had two litters in nineteen eighty
and nineteen eighty, so that was nice. When I went
to college, I got my first baby, reticulated pyth arm
which is the longest species on the planet. And of
course I was also sneaking rytlesnakes and copperheads in and
things like that. But that little python came in dehydrated
at thirty three inches out of Southeast Asia, and by
the time I graduated from college, she was over one
hundred and forty pounds wow, thirventeen feet long. What was
hilarious was we used to sit in the lounge when
I was in the dorm weather and she'd hit her
own chair and would sit in West airday Live and
no big deal, was just caln So she would get
the lounge during the day when I had classes, I'd
come back and almost typically we had piles of luna cans,
hundreds of pounds of little cans. She would go into
that because of the heat aspect, but inevitably there'd be
a coil of her out and she's big around as
a as a fullbacks thigh, so I mean, you know,
she's a big girl, and so it was quite comical
to see guys bring their girlfriends over and what are
you looking at? Well, look at that, and then she'd
move and then there'd be panicked. But I would take
her to kindergarten classes at her full range of seventeen feet,
and I have little children pick her up like a
like a fire hose.
Speaker 1: And wo last, crazy, last.
Speaker 5: And I would take diamondbacks and alligators and all kinds
of good things in And that's part of all I
made my living for.
Speaker 1: You know, I have a I have a quick question
for you. Have you observed that females are a little
bit more docile and gentle than the males.
Speaker 5: Regarding pythons in general? Yes, correct, I would say, as
an individual variation thing. But if you're gonna broadband swoop it,
i'd say yes.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I kind of figured as much.
Speaker 2: Is that a fact?
Speaker 5: Why that is?
Speaker 2: Is that a fact?
Speaker 6: While they have eggs and stuff like that, because I
know that, like we talk about apes a lot and
a lot of the other species, like some of the
animals are docile. But I'm going if they like you know,
like a standard bear will leave you alone, if it's
best choice, but if it has cubs, it's more likely
to fight right.
Speaker 1: Well, when you start young, yes.
Speaker 5: When you start throwing in testosterone in territory and things
of that nature, that comes into the reptile world too,
But typically if you're you know, the last thing you
want is somebody to take a full bite in the
face from something that's got significant teeth that could do damage,
especially to the eyes or you know, the cosmetic appearance
of somebody's face. So you have to be damned well
familiar individual animals you're using, and also what the you know,
what the touch points are, What can we do that's
going to cause a potential problem. They haven't pulled all
the little contracts that say under no circumstances they won't
do anything, so anything had happened anytime. Luckily, I never
had any problems in that forty years. Just one experiment
that went wrong. It was one of my twelve foot Bremese.
I I had a class that wanted to see aggression
and way I can think of it was to do
a feeding reaction with a with a lab rat and
of course it was my hand and fortunately I didn't
have to pull any teeth. It's interesting with hospital personnel
and all kinds of good stuff going on.
Speaker 2: I think I think we turned the show into the
snake squatch experience.
Speaker 1: I think we did a good job.
Speaker 2: Which is all right.
Speaker 4: But Dan, getting back to our topic, I think we
could take this on the snakes all night. So you
got a balatable snowman, right, How did you get pressed
into service into Bigfoot?
Speaker 2: What said Dan?
Speaker 4: Okay, I'm going out and I'm checking out these woods
for a big Harry Homelet.
Speaker 5: Okay, I couldn't figure out where they were. And in
two thousand ninety it was the early nineties, I worked
as for the Department Natural Resources as a herpetologist and
eventually as an environmental assessment guy. And I had sasquatch
on my mind the whole time because before that job,
in the eighties, I was in Missouri the Ozarks and
working at a private zoo and also a private abandoned zoo,
and I felt watched there all the time. Coincidentally, that
happened to be at age twenty two, that happened to
be the time when I finally got my hand on
John Green's Bible. Apes among us and we all know
how much we love that piece of work. Well, that
really hit me hard because I was trying to parallel
behavior from Sanderson and compare with Sanderson's reports and all
that good stuff with tracking and sightings and behavior and
locations and timing and all that stuff. So that's kind
of the start of it. By the time I hit
the nineties, I still had not seen tracks, I had
not gotten a vocalization. I didn't know where or how
what was going on. Somehow, my sister made a bet
with me. In two thousand, our mom passed away. We
both inherited some incredible artistic capability from her, and so
I was actually a biological illustrator as well, which I
used for environmental education. And when she passed away, my
sister made me two bets. One that wouldn't become computer illiterate.
I wouldn't become computer literate because I hated computers at
the time. And she also said, I bet you don't
network sasquat research professionally. Well, I don't know that you
can't do that anyway, But what she meant was there
are people out there that are notable names. I dare
you to work with them. And so I got online,
started messing around with reports, kept hitting the same guy
who I forgot his name at the moment, but he
happened to be Matt Moneymaker's partner, and I would bug
him with questions. Finally he simply said, who the hell
are you and why do you want to know all this?
And I was basically asking him, are you guys making
a profit of this, I guess taking people for a ride?
Or is this significant, legitimate research? What's going on? And
he asked if I had a resume. I said yes,
I sent it to him and in two days they
literally gave me the password and the BFR own started
sending me hair scat vocalizations and I finally got to
meet some of the people online who interested me in
the subject. In the first week. It's the first place
with their books name with John Green, and I became
a pretty good friend of John Bendernago at the time,
and some of those guys, and then people started writing
me privately explaining and sharing their experiences, so I had
live witnesses on hand. My first field work was in
Oklahoma with Elton Higgins down down at Project X where
the where the wood ape work has been done, and
from there I started going out on my own, ended
up in Tennessee, ended up in Indiana, I ended up
over Wisconsin, Iowa, Minnesota, and I still didn't have a
vocal that I could put a finger on. I had
some suspect ones, babies crying in the woods. I had
doors being slammed.
Speaker 2: I had.
Speaker 5: Bad odors, you know, some whistles, things like that, but
nothing I could put a finger on. It took me
till I finally left to be off at two thousand
and four and just kind of slid out the back door.
Took four years off, came back. One of the first
people to greet me when I came back was Matthew
Nap of Crossroads, our buddy Matt Nap, that's right, and
he kind of I was going to be doing some
presentations on the subject.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 5: He helped me out with a few things, some vocals
that he had created, et cetera. And then one by
one I started reuniting with my old friends. We became
new friends again, and I didn't lose very many people
doing my absence. I gained it many and my independence
allowed me to do whatever I wanted. Was all having
somebody told me I shouldn't do that, so that means
I made many mistakes, and I had to because I
was trying to learn things. What happens when you do this,
what happens when you do that. Wood knots at the
time weren't even hardly officially acceptable like they are now.
That was one of the key ingredients that allowed me
to start picking up vocals locally in the Driftlece area
of south western Wisconsin. And luckily my relatives have had
some experiences as well. So I'm not completely nuts for
the total black sheep in the I'm still in the
black sheep in the family, but not at least totally
nuts because they know. And so I've got team members
across the state now, and and we're actually working on
some vocalization projects through some of the bf OL guys,
Charles Kimberke out of Virginia and my friend Dennischoolcox out
of Nebraska.
Speaker 4: So, and as you and I talked about before we
came on the air, it was such a loss to
lose standport me, you know, when you talk about Bigfoot
vocalizations and sounds. I think for the longest time he
had the largest online repositories of audio, maybe of anyone
that was a big loss to the sasquadge Field.
Speaker 5: Absolutely, and I just phoned that. Oh, basically about four
days after he passed. Somebody told me, so.
Speaker 2: Go ahead, Henry, what were you going to say aboud?
I was just said it was it was a big loss.
Stanon Corney's loss was yeah.
Speaker 4: You and I had interviewed him, I think a couple
of times back when we first started the program, and
his collection wasn't quite as extensive back then, but it
is it lean it. I don't know if his website
is still up. I'll take it stan Courtney dot com
for anybody who was interested. If it's still go check
it out because it's definitely worth it.
Speaker 5: He does have some sons there too.
Speaker 2: So and it's still up. The website is still up
for wonder Sorry, Dan, I mean to go off the
rail there.
Speaker 5: No, it's all inclusive. So I don't know what to
tell you except that I'm a member of a couple
of different groups. Shane Carpenter invited me into his project
Ozark sasquatchz Ark Mountains Sasquatch project. You'd been working with
Randy Harrington numerous other people, and I joined actually in
twenty nineteen. I was just finishing up speaking out of college,
put my critters away, hopped in the vehicle and drove
down to Arkansas area. And I got there after two
o'clock in the morning, and I was greeted and told, well,
you drove all that way, you probably want to sleep, right,
And I'm like, you've got to be kidding me. We're
at the time, right. We took a thirty minute walk
and Shane and Randy have gone on tons of different
podcasts to describe this situation, but we got a peaker
within thirty minutes. A while, really one of the juvenile,
one of the juveniles ever were Wow Crime in twenty nineteen.
We had two youngsters with about a ten to ten
and a quarter inch footprint. We had the mother, which
we believed them was the mother with a twelve inch footprint,
and the father who had they had seen him as well,
and he had a fifteen inch footprint.
Speaker 1: Holy cow.
Speaker 5: And eventually she had a little one because six inch
tracks started to show up. So what's interesting The last
photo I sent you Sean with Nebby that was drawn
by Sabyla Christine that I believe it's uh, I'm going
to butcher the report number. But it's out of Oklahoma
and it's I think it's Is it the last sketch
you sent me? Yes, sir, And there's some information with it.
I remember that it was reported in May fifth, two
thousand and eight. And Jerry, I'm going to forget his
last name, I wrote it down. And when he was
one of the bfro O investigators, he called Sybylla saying,
I've got one. Are you ready to draw? And she
drew it and he had all of ten to fifteen
minutes to look at it from relatively close distance. She
did an incredible job on accuracy. I think it's the
most important one. And when when we found that peaker
back in twenty nineteen, Shane said, I'm going in. Well,
I don't know Shane. I didn't know Shane very well
at that time. I didn't know Randy at all.
Speaker 2: Did you guys see that that's not the one though,
that's not the one. The other one gota other one?
There were two.
Speaker 7: That's an Oklahoma mail there, that's Alahoma mail. If we
get him up, Okay, I get the right one here.
This one looks like it says Evan's at the end.
Is that that would be from alex Evans. So there
was the very last picture I sent you. Okay, hopefully
you can find it. And the only problem was I
was using both of my profiles, so it might be
on the other profile.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it doesn't, it's not. Let me not sharing it
to make all right.
Speaker 4: Well that's why sorry, folks, technical issues about your best imagination.
Speaker 5: To find it, go to here's part of the mystery.
Go to the bfrro type in Oklahoma, type in nubby
and U B B I E. It will come up.
And that is Sabyla's illustration of what Cherry Rand saw
and described her over the phone. So here we have
an illustration done with an active viewer describing the details
to her as he's looking at it.
Speaker 2: We're gonna try this one more time because I think
I got it.
Speaker 5: Another vos.
Speaker 2: Don Forker has the technology to not screw up constantly wrong.
Speaker 1: There you go, there you go, oh wow, oh yeah, right,
that's crazy.
Speaker 5: It was a reddish brown, a reddish brown individual. But
the one that Shane saw and walked up on, which
I'll describe in a second, was black with dark gray skin.
Looked almost identical to what Sibylla drew he pointed this out.
He looked at numerous illustrations to see which one looked closest.
It was this one, and he said that the individual
was laying in the grass looking at him. Shane walked
up to seven to eight feet from him and shined
a light in his eyes, which reflected silver. Going back,
it stays totally still obviously, youngster how big somewhere between
five and five and a half feet and approximately in
Shane's view, about one hundred and fifty pounds, so he
wasn't as big as Nobby. He was approximately six feet,
but he froze well. Then Shane just kind of walked
away from him a little bit and thought, I'm going
back again. So what he did and I think he
sat And don't quote me on this, but I believe
at one point he sat down real close to him,
like seven to eight feet and turned his back a
little bit. But when he came back the second time,
things changed.
Speaker 2: Now there was like a.
Speaker 5: Tooth chatter, which is a defense response, and rock was
thrown from the brush, which means there was either MoMA
or the other sibling. So saying left came back, Brandy
and I were concerned about him going to visit that
closely because the one, we didn't know what kind of
reaction when I get from the the family members. Two,
we didn't know how this is going to affect him,
whether or not they're going to come into camp or not,
which is our goal. We want you in camp to
leave every potential sign that you can for us to investigate. Well,
it turned out that night they came into camp and
their audio picked it up, and two eight foot tables
under the tents with all kinds of gear, and the
audio picked up them like tapping fingers on the table.
And the reason we knew for sure they were there
was because there were some hand wipes and one was
pulled out with a big finger impression on it.
Speaker 1: That crazy.
Speaker 5: That was wonderful. The next day we slept in. Later
toward evening, we decided, let's go up the hill and
see if we can interact with the mail if he's around.
We did and went up. We hung out for four
hours approximately nothing and they had had rocked towing contests
with them in the past, and their vocalizations, exchanged recordings,
made footprints found. She found a handprint on a ledge
of the roadside In one situation, nothing we came back
Camp Raandy to check the audio. Good news, gentlemen, they
were here while we were up the hill. We went
to bed, got up in the morning with the audio.
They went through all the items on the table, got
the medical bag. It was zipped and unzipped about seventeen
or eighteen times. Now here's where it's funny. You can
also hear the cooler being closed, so automatically checked the
cooler missing six monster cappuccinos.
Speaker 2: Appropriately what wow, I needed to fix?
Speaker 1: Yeah, right.
Speaker 5: I got back in twenty for more action, and back
in twenty three, and by the time I got back
in twenty three, we had a different situation. That little
six incher we believe grown. The two ten inches are
apparently gone or one of them stayed behind with a
fourteen inch print, and now there was another little six incher.
In the meantime, there was one ten inch print that
was all over and so that had been casting over
thirty sometimes for comparison, and.
Speaker 4: So much of your thoughts on that, Dan, Do you
think that you had the same kind of family group there?
Speaker 2: Do you think they stay, do you think they range?
What's your thoughts on home?
Speaker 5: The male stayed, but he didn't stay with the family
a lot. He seemed to be running the ridges, and
other people were this behavior to me as well. So
typically what you get his mom, and you get some
big teenage sons and the younger ones, and so you
have siblings kind of working together. Allegedly, that's what the
tracks suggested. Our tracks in twenty twenty three were the
ten and a quarter inch. Then we had six inch,
and then we had the big mail by this time
was sixteen inches, and then we had a fourteen inch mom.
Now I don't whether the twelve inch had turned into
the fourteen or one of the ten inches turned into
the fourteen.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 5: It was presumed it was the twelve inch to the fourteen,
but again do we know that for sure. It's really
interesting because Shane had another property where there was behavior,
and he went over and investigate that. He also found
more ten inch prints over there was a little bit older. Now,
I just got through work, came with a buddy of
mine from North Florida and he had some small juvenile prints,
and so this has become a thing for me. In
the last year. I'm trying to acquire as many alleged
or potential sasquatch footprints as I can from every in
each individual who can photograph them sharply. Unfortunately, most people
don't record their measurements with a tape measure, which I'm
sure everybody did. Unfortunately, people typically use their foot If
we could use a dollar bill or universal sized item,
that would help tremendously. Also, people forget to measure the
distance between the foot strikes, so we need strides, and
we also need you know, obviously the length and the
width of the foot. But then we're also looking at
trying to differentiate individuals. For example, I just I've just
been a new gale in Ohio and I've got three
individual footprints from her. And a friend of mine in
Texas found trance on a private property in a county
that was surrounded by BFI reports BFI row reports, but
there weren't any there. My friend Robin lind Griffith has
got different photographs from there. Unfortunately some of them had
been tape measured. So the problem is we like to
get all the different individuals in the group, and that
takes precise photography and some patients and some work, and
most people don't seem to have the capacity to do
that right, you know, which is potentially problematic, but we're
so thrilled by the beauty of the photographs. And of course,
one of the comments that doctor Jeff Mildram made to
Stan Courtney was, please remember is extremely difficult to determine
the differentfference between juvenile's asquatch footprints and humans. Now, with
that understandable, just to imagine, just imagine the implications that
as on potential genetics and relationships regarding them and us.
You know, then we get into okay, if any of
these witness descriptions are reasonably accurate, and Sibyla and alex
Alexa Evans and so many other people have done some
incredible likenesses bringing the description to life. Just imagine the
differences some of these portray. She had one over nine
feet that looked like a wounded gorilla in Illinois. She
had another gorilla type looking one on a yellowstone. She
had another group of gorilla looking ones in other states,
notably Texas. Yet there are some that look uh. Dan
Baker's a good friend of mine, aut of Ohio. He
stated to me they had Neanderthal faces. His wife someone
We've got descriptions from Fred rail up in Alaska neanderthal faces,
a few Native American looking faces, but primarily Neanderthal looking faces,
just the big amy brow ridge and a primitive type
of homon hominid type fossil man type look.
Speaker 2: Then, what are your thoughts on that, Dan?
Speaker 4: Do you think that we have a regional variation or
do you think we have different types of big flood?
Speaker 5: I have different I have to grin because to me, again,
if there, if there's accuracy, and these witness reclamations that
Sibylla and Alexa and numerous other artists are doing, then
it sure looks to me as though we've got even
possibly different uh giant air covered unverified bipeds that may
represent two different families. Right, we may have the human line,
and numerous artists have depicted you want the ape look
or do you want the human look? And that's been
going on for ever since I've been doing this. Now,
it's interesting because pre internet reports tended to be more
ape like, right, And I remember now that not everybody
swallows the The fellow that John Green interviewed that was
captured for you, his name at the moment, Albert Ausman,
Thank you, Albert Ousman. Sorry, not the Albert had intriguing
descriptions of things before a lot of it became commonplace,
and that intrigued the heck out of John Green. Now
the problem there is he went on to describe all
human they were, but then when he did the illustration,
it looked very very Yeah, so we're caught in the
crossroads of what they look like. And of course, if
you have ten different observers looking at the same individual,
given late distance, fear, individual variation, and opinion, half of
them may say every man. Half of them may say gorilla.
I mean people literally aggressive telling me they're gorillas.
Speaker 2: I saw them? What is it? But is it our
projection that does that? You know?
Speaker 4: Is it our minds putting those pieces together? That's another
part of that right now, these are the questions. That's
another reason.
Speaker 5: The footprints are something we can measure and learn from.
But we have to do a better job of the
interpretation of them and the you know, making sure that
we're studying them properly, and also cinding out the post
story where these prints came from, who got them, when
they got them, all those things. David Ziegan is a
forensic scientists over an Atlanta that I'll be working with
in the future. One of my goals here is to
take these images that I get from people, and it's
starting to add up.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 5: I've got numerous Texas researchers who've all agreed to just
literally hand me their stuff. I've got friends in Oklahoma, Oregon, Washington, Ohio, Florida, Georgia, Alabama,
and I'll be working with everybody trying to bring their
images in change their A lot of them are JPEX.
We want them into TIFFs because then you can manipulate
them and not lose resolution over time.
Speaker 2: A lot of people want to wear that. Well.
Speaker 5: Once I've tipped them, then I can bring them up
on my screen. I can rephotograph them in such a
way that I can blow them up to a barn wall.
So there was a six by eight foot size and
now all of a sudden, we can have large potential artifacts,
possible toe breaks, injuries, things of that nature that will
help possibly identify the individuals that made those prints and
over time hopefully be identifiable so that we can see
growth patterns and things like that. This is in the
early stages, but my plan is to have a site
with all these photographs and make them available all the
contributors and to start getting people to photograph them rigorously
with lengths, with in the proper procedures so that people
like David Zigan can dive into it and have a
much easier goal of interpretation and study regarding the SI
CSI factor.
Speaker 4: You know, James, you had a question before, right, let
you out there, go ahead and answer, and then we'll
go around the room.
Speaker 2: So do you always had a theory that like her?
Speaker 5: I'm sorry the end, Henry, are you talking here?
Speaker 2: Sorry?
Speaker 6: We've always had the question of and we've had a
few times, is that do you think pop culture affects
the sightings? Because we've noticed that as like I'll use
movies like Harry and Henderson because it's the most easiest
one to remember.
Speaker 2: I noticed that.
Speaker 6: When once that movie came out, a lot of the
pictures of the cryptid far more to that picture than
they did before.
Speaker 5: Oh. I would say, yeah, especially with the general the
general population reaction, you know, because I mean, how much
do we know? Everybody you talk to will give you
a different answer. And we're still in the learning stages
as far as I'm concerned, and we have so many
people that are well versed with certain aspects of this.
We can't slam those experiences from Alabama and wide continent wide,
all the way to Alaska. I was just in conversation
with a gal out of Mexico. Finally, I've got somebody
from Mexico who's real interested in this, and she's gonna
dig for me. So we can do some work in
Yucatan and some of the crazy states that pronounced down there,
and these mountains areas apparently still have activity. What do
they look like? What is their individual variation? Do their
teenagers look like ours when they grow up? Some of
them achieve defensive tackle status immediately. Others look like wide
ranging wide receivers and cornerbacks and long slender basketball players.
And we get that in adult sasquats. It's two from
time to time. Of course, we're also dealing with aging.
Brian king Sharp and his book as an illustration of
one that looks like it has a stroke. One of
the BFI reports out and I for sifing northwest somewhere
somebody saw one hanging out by a chicken farm.
Speaker 2: Ok.
Speaker 5: Older, old, old, old male with atrification, very slender, possibly
near death. You know, So how is that can affect
the feet, the footprints, how's that can affect the physicality.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 5: I've got one of my groups is the White biped Project,
and I've kind of let it go just generally over
the few years. But now I'm starting to go to
different states and ask what have you got for white
sasquatch reports, blonde sasquatch reports, silver sasquatch reports. So far,
I got two reports of juveniles that were white, one
that grew up and continued to be white, another that
well it was white, one that was seen, you know.
And then we have white ones with peakish eyes, which
could be albino's. We have white ones with black eyes,
which could be lucistic. We've got blondes, We've got probably
white haired ones like myself or used to be solid black.
People thought I was Hispanic.
Speaker 2: I'm not.
Speaker 5: I'm Norwegian. However, uh here turned white. And then I've
got nervous and lost some So okay, but it's just
important to keep this stuff fun because there's aggressive, nervous
people that we maybe we just have to have fun,
work together, share more, learn more.
Speaker 4: Right and to your credit, Dan, you're doing it. You
know you are out there, You're bringing people together in
these groups, you've got information being shared. You know, again,
you and I have talked for years, decades because hey,
now the final we can use that term right, And
that's one of the things I've alway appreciated your ability
to your transverse groups. And as you and I have
talked about whether we have our own beliefs of what
we think this is, but it's come to coffing turkey,
you know, for the most part, able to put that
down and be able to pull information from everyone. You've
exceeded in that, and I know I'm always happy to
see when something else is posted, and if something goes
for a while without talking, you're the first put on
there to bring the conversation back and start.
Speaker 2: Getting it pumping again.
Speaker 4: You know, tryan yeah while you're succeeding in it, and
I think you should be recognized for that.
Speaker 2: You know, you're talking about Mexico.
Speaker 4: When's the last time we've heard anybody talking about Mexican
sasplot sightings? Because I'm sitting here in my own mind
going when the hell did we When have we even
talked about that last?
Speaker 2: And why have we not talked about it?
Speaker 4: Very few times we talk about South American sightings right,
but very very rarely do we talk about Central America sightings. Uh,
Canada gets a lot of love. But you know, I
think you're you're tapping into something of the potential. Plus
the weather's better. So if you need some assistance, let
Matt and I know we'll dust off passports.
Speaker 5: And you know, if things work out, those Mexican situations
just might happen.
Speaker 2: So I'm interested.
Speaker 5: I've never been interested. I've been. I've been. I've been
to New Mexico, I've been to Texas, I've been to Arizona.
I've been so many hundred yards from the border, on
the on the roads I shouldn't be on. But i
just haven't crossed the border yet. But I'm hoping to
do that. Trained to Maine in Vermont, New Hampshire this
fall for autumn photography and networking with some of the
witnesses up there.
Speaker 2: Well, if you have to pass through Pa, let us
know we'll stop and have one.
Speaker 1: Well.
Speaker 5: And by the way, one of my one of my
host guys from Ohio was Stacy Husteler. He's like a brother.
Speaker 2: Oh yes, say oh yeah, And uh, I've.
Speaker 5: Got numerous other humans down there too that I'm working
with and that's going to flow over. I just haven't
hit Pennsylvania too much yet, but i'd like to. And
the year that I met you, actually the second time
at b Mills's Festival, I got to hook up with
Eric and so we had some ask box. So I'm
looking forward to I'm very envious that you guys get
to work with Stan Gordon so well.
Speaker 4: I'm stand you can't get enough of Stan Gordon, and
I bring the worst out in stand by the way
I get him to say things you never expect come.
Speaker 2: Out of the mouth as being boy. I'm very proud
of that. I really am.
Speaker 5: The way I can see the comedy here. Yeah, you're
humor and that's what to me, that's what it takes
because if we're happy, we're gonna assure more information and
be more motivated. If we're all pissed off in the
corner drinkers and uh, you know, doing things we shouldn't,
then there's this isn't gonna be as much stuff.
Speaker 4: Done, right, I said, Look, you know, like you said,
the comedy brings people together. The humor, you know, when
we're all having a good time, everybody wants for together. Yeah,
there's appropriate times to be pissed.
Speaker 2: There really is.
Speaker 4: But at the same time, as we start working through
through all this like it, it's incredibly important that we
do recognize the humanity behind it. And now you talk
about Standboard and even though I just a lot, just
a wealth of knowledge, and you know, stands very on
the paranmormal aspect, he fully believes his things an interdimensional preacher.
Speaker 2: Sure I don't, but that doesn't mean I'm right. That
doesn't mean I don't love.
Speaker 4: Stan and I don't approiate the research he's done or
the work that he's done because his work has taken
him somewhere else that my work has taken me. And
who the hell am I to invalidates Danglode's work. You know,
he's put the boots on the ground. He's done this
longer than I've been even a twinkle in my granddaddy's beer.
You know, those are the things that you got to
look at.
Speaker 2: It doesn't mean we.
Speaker 4: Can't get along, right, Like, if there's a respect thing there,
and if we're all sharing parts of the puzzle one day,
you know, I'm sure it'll all pull through or we've
all been crazy.
Speaker 2: I mean, that's the other.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Yeah, Well, the thing is like with the paranormal aspect.
To me, it's just like an determined science. What is
our science going to develop into as we learn more.
When I was growing up, hypnotherapy and hypnotism was not
accepted by everybody, would not in two thousand and two,
was not accepted by everybody. I was getting parallel behavior
schemes written up for me by property owners in Virginia, Tennessee, Indiana,
and so I was starting to see behavioral patterns that
I felt like I could rely on. So I could
actually tell the witness, you won't be hurt, you don't
have to be afraid. Let's try this, let's try that,
and whether it's a signature whistle to get them to
pick up on so so all of a sudden you're
whistling back and forth, or you know, most people get
excited about offering treats, but these guys, a lot of
them are garbage can dumpster divers, and so they're getting
all kinds of protein, garbage and sweets and stuff like that.
If we do this with some common sense and we're
patient and we work together, I just think we can
get further.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a good night. Folks. Not I'm kidding you, guys.
Speaker 5: Thank you very much.
Speaker 2: No, that's it, and I mean, I mean that's perfect
points made, guys, be or I take too much more
of our time to night.
Speaker 4: Matt Van Henry, any questions for Dan, because Dan and
I can yack all night.
Speaker 5: But what do you go?
Speaker 1: I do have a question, probably within the last four minutes,
you're speaking about a lot of these sightings in UH
Southern United States, Texas, Mexico, et cetera. Has there been
any casted footprints that you are aware of in Mexico.
Speaker 5: Yes, right, I don't have that information.
Speaker 1: Now, that's fine. I was just curious to know if
there were any casted footprints, whether it was plaster of
Paris or otherwise, in these areas.
Speaker 5: I want to connect with you guys long term, and
so anything I scare up and come up with, I'll
be glad to send you.
Speaker 1: Oh, we greatly appreciate it.
Speaker 5: The correspondence with this scale from Mexico. My plan is
I started out with her. We did myself and another
fellow wonderful guy worked I worked with. We did every
country in Central America, we did every state in Mexico,
and we listed all the reptiles and amphibians at these locations,
in addition to all the states and territories in the
United States and Canada. Now that's going to get me
correspondence with repetologists. These guys should know, mammalogists, primate specialists
of the people in science at these universities down there,
and that I'm hoping that I can find some people
are They're rigorous in scaring up locals who have claims
and so this book hasn't been opened yet, but it's
on the plan cheap and I'm hoping to really really
dig deep into Mexico and see what we can come
up with.
Speaker 1: Think that's awesome.
Speaker 5: I think we'll be surprised.
Speaker 1: That's awesome. Thank you.
Speaker 6: Oh do you think and I'm not trying to be political,
but do you think due to the current border, you know, situation,
that we would get more sightings because there'd be more
boots on the ground, or do you think those sightings
would be more of a you know, between Mexico and
the United States, they would be more hushed up.
Speaker 5: I think a lot of things are really hushed up.
Speaker 2: I really do.
Speaker 5: And in speaking with people who are employed and I
was employed by the State of Wisconsin Department Natural Resources.
I've got friends that have worked with Department National Resources
in Michigan, Iowa, numerous other states, and I know that
people are working privately behind the scenes in certain areas
where there's potential h evidence talking nest beds, talking footprints,
talking other things where people have come in and destroyed
the location.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Right, I've seen that happen in Michigan, that happened in Florida,
and speaking with some of the guys at Yellowstone of
one of the rangers told me he had two sasquatch
incidences there and then some suspect once, but nothing was
ever said between him and the brass your office. So
most of what happens is when there's an alleged potential
sasquatch report, the area gets fenced off. In his case,
he had a foreign visitor call. He took the call,
and this was like in the early maybe around two
thousand and eight something like that. Basically what happened was
she said, I have questions about grizzly bears. Okay, are
are they typically yellowish or tannish color? No, not typically
what they could be? Do they typically walk around on
two legs? Car, big big bundles of grass.
Speaker 1: Yeah right, wow, they don't. She got interesting.
Speaker 5: Personally, got angry, thought he was calling her a liar.
He happened to casually mention it to the brass behind
the desk, and within two days that whole area was
roped off. In another incident, they had trophy hunters protection
some of the guys rangers that would ride at night
concerned about the big trophy bull elk being taken out.
So these guys were kind of there to help to
discourage poachers.
Speaker 1: A poacher right right, right, These.
Speaker 5: Guys got terrified by vocalizations, trees being pushed down on
the roads, and just things thrown at them, you know,
whether branches, land, pine cones or whatever, more like rocks.
Because I'm just like, oh my god.
Speaker 2: We're in trouble.
Speaker 5: Somebody's throwing pine cones. Doesn't resonate very you know, dominantly so.
But anyway, that area got fenced off as well. And
then I've got another friend that interviewed a ranger over
at Glacier National Park and it was a senior ranger
and he just pulled the guy aside and he said, look,
we have sasquatches here park. Knows we're not saying anything right.
Conversation never happened, right. A friend of mine that I
visited in Georgia in two thousand and eight, first time,
I finally got a signature footprint and numerous trails and
other suspect things, and eventually Vocalizations sent parabolic equipment to her. Nationally,
individuals come up on the porch and pulled the pulled
the mic right out of the parabolic dish and left
to hanging by the wire. And that was quite an evening.
But anyway, long story, that was a It was great
too because it was one of the females and she
had thirteen and seven eighths in footprint because she stepped
in a tarp. It just it just ran and so
there was water in the tarp and she stepped on it.
And my friend was able to determine that determined she
went climbed the stairs down, found the footprints and it
was quite fantastic. Anyway, her her boss, uh, the father
of her boss, worked for the four Street apartment. He
was told, if you see a sasquatch, if you find
the nest bed, destroy it. Don't tell anybody what anything.
Don't tell anybody.
Speaker 1: Oh, to destroy it.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Wow.
Speaker 5: I think there's different policies and different John my aunt Zinski,
I can't pronounce it, but he's a good buddy of
doctors more and he was all basically he worked on
game animals in Wyoming and he was the fellow who's
got a podcast out there talking about where he's in
the tent, and he got it was bacon stained, and
he was convinced a grizzly bear was on the outside
of the tent turned out to be a sasquatch was down,
and he slammed it thinking it was the bear's nose.
Nearly broke his hand because of that. When he went
on to talk about the policies in the threats that
he got. If he were to ever bring up sasquatch
subject matter in the university system or the wildlife system,
what do you mind? I went to college with ended
up crazy in charge of all the predators that would
cause problems with wildlife or excuse me, problems with livestock,
so livestock depredation. So so John was in charge official
wildlife Department of National Resource and also uh athos And
I'm like, I'm go any further with him because I don't.
I know he wouldn't appreciate his name associated on the
air publicly. But I sent a what I believe was
the juvenile sasquatch footprint to him, and normally he would
respond in an hour. He didn't respond for two days,
and when he did he goes ned Ah, this is
the strangest most abart has to be juvenile black bear
print I've ever seen.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 5: That's where we go with that, and that's that that
that system we have, our belief system kind of dictates
what we accept as possible. And we all know people who,
under no circumstances will they ever look at evidence, to
listen to evidence or think about possibility.
Speaker 1: Even though a juvenile bear, whether it's black or grizzly, whichever,
it's gonna have claw prints in there. And if there's
no claw prints, how are you gonna justify that?
Speaker 5: Well, let's just say that the big toe was like ours. Yeah,
black grizz print. They're all pretty years, right, Usually the
biggest toes in the middle.
Speaker 4: Yep, guys, we've run out of time this hour, Matt Henry,
any final questions you have before we fly off the air.
Speaker 1: I just want to give a big thank you for
you showing up tonight and sharing these, you know, stories
that you had to share with us. That was greatly appreciated, heartfelt.
Speaker 5: Well, thank you, thank you. I feel like we just
we just got started and.
Speaker 4: Yeah, scratch just the surface, didn't we Well, there's definitely
definitely needs to be a part two.
Speaker 2: Yeah, go ahead, Henry, what were you gonna say, Bud No,
I was just gonna say. I appreciate him coming on
as well.
Speaker 1: He really great.
Speaker 4: Guessed, Yeah, absolutely, Matt will try you this time again,
and then there was silence. Well he's talking, but I can't.
I'm not good at reading lips. So we don't have
your buddy. Sorry we lost Matt, but definitely need to
get you on for a part too. Dan the surface, Yes,
we do the surface. You've been watching work before, I
guess before we go, Dan, where can folks find you?
Speaker 5: Uh? Dana Nidrolo is my number one profile on the air,
you know, on on Facebook. Uh, if you google me,
it's like a website. I've been doing this a while,
so it's very crazy. I've had three sightings. I had
the two too. Maybe the same individual down the Ozarks,
whether Randy Herrington Shane Carpenter with those are mountain Sasquatch.
I've also worked with. I have another group out in
Idaho that I'm involved with, and we'll be much much
more in their future. And that is a legacy discovery.
And we have juveniles interacting with a family of folks there.
It would be uh, Angelique Benham and her son Mitchell Wiley,
and these folks are documenting incredible things there. And I've
had some personal experiences as well. By the way, I've
had some experiences that I can't explain and don't understand.
I'm all that science work it out down the road.
Speaker 1: Well, this is why we're going to have a part two.
Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely, we're gonna have to book this sooner rather
than later.
Speaker 5: After you invested, or after you talk with a thousand
plus people. Patterns of rise, interesting facts see which are
obviously not facts but seem to become facts because parallel
repeated behavior pattern or physical character or other things. And
I think the over well, I'll just leave you with this.
The most overwhelming aspect of the study for me is
the fact that we have an unverified giant primitive that
can take on the look of a giant grade ape
or a giant airyman that has exhibited behavior from all aspects,
from gentleness to scaring the living crap out of the
armed personnel. And I just love the fact that there
are generations of people's in the hollows in the south
and the north, and in the mountains and in the
swamps that know. Oh, those the airy people are fine.
Just leave them alone. We'll leave they'll leave us. They've
been there forever. They're pick in the windows. Once in
a while. There's a little black one that kicks a dog.
And that was told to my grandmother who was eighty
some years old, who talked to me unimaker before I did,
back in the day, and sir, she would get to
meet my witnesses and talk with them and then hand
the phone over and go, we think we've got it solved,
but you might want to put your two cents soon
on it.
Speaker 2: So that's the SoundBite for the show right there, folks.
I'm Sean Forker. That's Dan Dedrello.
Speaker 4: He's been our guest tonight dance and has that Matt Arnoer,
James Baker off, Henry May Henry take us out with
those dulcet tones.
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keep on squatching. Good night, everybody. Thanks for listening.
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