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Speaker 2: Fantasy Football Podcast. This is the Running Backs Rank, Episode
Speaker 2: Part two. I'm the Welsh that is Scott Bogman, and
Speaker 2: today we're going to be going through a deeper look
Speaker 2: at the deeper options at RB's you're you know, probably
Speaker 2: most I mean, I guess there's a couple guys in
Speaker 2: here that could be like RB twos for you. This
Speaker 2: is going to kind of be the RB three slash
Speaker 2: flex and some deeper plays that we're looking at. Whether
Speaker 2: you're trying to you know, build the cord like the
Speaker 2: structure of having some depth, whether you're trying to take
Speaker 2: some huge shots. What are the deeper side of the
Speaker 2: running back look like we're going to be going through that.
Speaker 2: We're going to be using We've got a couple different
Speaker 2: projection things, Fantasy Pros, Fantasy Points, PFF is just kind
Speaker 2: of like a rank against as well as ECR and
Speaker 2: we have got the ITL rank, which is the aggregate
Speaker 2: of Bogman and I. So we are going to be
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Speaker 2: Dot Com got a funny episode. We're doing this too.
Speaker 2: I just did a fifty running back episode Ranks episode
Speaker 2: with Fitzie and Sealy bogs in between us recording these
Speaker 2: two episodes MM. And the concept was actually kind of
Speaker 2: unique because you know, we've got a lot of rank episodes.
Speaker 2: There's some episodes that you know, tail into similar topics
Speaker 2: when you just churn out videos like we do at
Speaker 2: Fantasy Pros. But this one was like taking the tiers
Speaker 2: of the running backs, the top ten and picking one
Speaker 2: singular back that you did not agree with their rank
Speaker 2: on positively or negative. And I thought it was going
Speaker 2: to be really Pollyanna, but I'll just throw this aside
Speaker 2: to you. The one negative one the one that actually
Speaker 2: really popped out there. And this is interesting from that conversation,
Speaker 2: and it's kind of important because two of these players
Speaker 2: are going to come up in this episode is Quinchan
Speaker 2: Jutkins and that was one of you guys want to
Speaker 2: go live negatively negatively and that was from Sealy. Seely
Speaker 2: picked a negative take on not agreeing where the quinch
Speaker 2: On Jutkins rank is. And he has a guy that
Speaker 2: is outside of our top twenty five, higher than Quinchewn Jutkins.
Speaker 2: So there's a little bit of a tease. So a
Speaker 2: running back outside of our top twenty five where we
Speaker 2: have Quinchewn Jutkins at twenty three and this guy is
Speaker 2: higher than Judkins and the name. I don't know if
Speaker 2: it's a really surprise. It's probably in the realm of
Speaker 2: possibility of the names you would think. But from an
Speaker 2: ECR perspective, if you're looking at the Expert Consensus ranks
Speaker 2: on Fantasy Pros, one of Quinchaw Jutkins is an RB two,
Speaker 2: this guy is an RB three based on those ranks.
Speaker 2: So kind of an interesting conversation we have. Uh no,
Speaker 2: you took a guess. That's funny. You took a guest
Speaker 2: and the chat Bogman did it was not that player.
Speaker 2: That is a good player, and I actually brought that
Speaker 2: player up on this episode. So go and check it
Speaker 2: out on Fantasy Pros. You're continuing your guest, you could
Speaker 2: say them out loud if you want to. That is
Speaker 2: the correct one. Yes, when we get there, that's the
Speaker 2: correct name that Jake has.
Speaker 3: It's actually the incorrect name, but yes, he thinks it's name.
Speaker 2: Okay, well, this is gonna be good. I should we
Speaker 2: should have brought Jake on to have that conversation, but
Speaker 2: we are. So we're going through RB's twenty five through fifty.
Speaker 2: But we did when we last left you the last episode.
Speaker 2: We left off with kind of that twenty one through
Speaker 2: twenty four to have a little bit of a conversation.
Speaker 2: So we are going to jump into that, which Quinchohn
Speaker 2: Jukins is in that little group, and then you know,
Speaker 2: just kind of bigger tiers of the twenty five down
Speaker 2: to fifty and yeah, I also think there's a conversation
Speaker 2: to be had about like let's just do this here
Speaker 2: and then we'll jump into the rank. What is the
Speaker 2: realm where you start? It's like a real world where
Speaker 2: up you know, did it and start being real where
Speaker 2: like you you look at a guy and you just
Speaker 2: don't care that they provide oh fine depth as your
Speaker 2: RB three and you want to shoot for the moon.
Speaker 2: So like, if I can give a better example of this,
Speaker 2: I'll give you the straight up example I actually use
Speaker 2: kind of on Fantasy pros. And it's a name that
Speaker 2: you guessed that is not the name of the player
Speaker 2: that jacat Jonathan Brooks when I look at Jonathan Brooks's ECR,
Speaker 2: his ECR and Fantasy pros is thirty nine. So when
Speaker 2: we did that episode, I was just hosting. I was
Speaker 2: it wasn't like for my names. But neither one of
Speaker 2: them picked Brooks, and they agreed because we've all talked
Speaker 2: about Brooks. They didn't pick them, but I.
Speaker 3: Said, he's talked to death by Pat first.
Speaker 2: Agreed, but I said, I'm going to mention it because
Speaker 2: this is the prime example of a player that I know.
Speaker 2: We don't all agree that he should be there. But also, like,
Speaker 2: let's be let's let's be real for a second. Would
Speaker 2: do you really want as your RB three Rashad White
Speaker 2: or stupid Aaron Jones or Mason or even a MCA
Speaker 2: I'm a nong guy, do you? Is it because they're
Speaker 2: saying and all those guys have an ECR higher than
Speaker 2: Jonathan Brooks. Is it because there's a sense of safety
Speaker 2: with them? But if you know Jonny Brooke, Jonathan Brooks
Speaker 2: into that, Jonathan Brooks's upside is that of like a
Speaker 2: potential like RB one or top fifteen RB. So the
Speaker 2: question is built around like what level of importance is
Speaker 2: it to have a core RB three piece that you
Speaker 2: can trust versus shooting for the moon, not just quote
Speaker 2: shooting for the moon of a guy like you know,
Speaker 2: like Emma Johnson if this happens, and this happens, and
Speaker 2: this happens, but a real guy that's getting a huge
Speaker 2: buzz that's gonna get used, like Jonathan Brooks is different
Speaker 2: than those plays. There's not a ton ton of those
Speaker 2: type of players in this grouping of RBS we talked about.
Speaker 2: I think Jenarian Price kind of fits that mold. But
Speaker 2: he's ranked higher, quite a bit higher than stupid Jonathan Brooks.
Speaker 2: But so how what is the level that you balance
Speaker 2: that And is this kind of a test to your rank?
Speaker 2: Right because I look at where you have Jonathan Brooks,
Speaker 2: you have him dramatically lower than me. Do you really
Speaker 2: care about having a Rashad White? And I do, Yes,
Speaker 2: I do, And I'll tell you why. It's because I
Speaker 2: think I feel very, very really safe on our combined
Speaker 2: rank all the way down to sixteen where we have Javonte.
Speaker 2: Right now, I have Jeremiah Love ahead of Javonte, So
Speaker 2: personally I do feel better about Jeremiah Love. By the way,
Speaker 2: what one stop point you would be proud of me.
Speaker 2: We did Jake and I. Before that episode, we did
Speaker 2: a live double mock draft on the Fantasy Pro Twitch
Speaker 2: me and him and I took Jeremiah Love and yeah,
Speaker 2: I think I got him in the fourth round. It
Speaker 2: was like the ten second pick mock. I got him
Speaker 2: in the fourth round for my team construction, but fun
Speaker 2: fact I did not place well. And the next one
Speaker 2: where I didn't take Jeremiah Love. We did it as
Speaker 2: a flex draft number one.
Speaker 3: So for me, my second RB, I like to take
Speaker 3: a risk on because I like the floor of the
Speaker 3: RB three is a little bit more this season, right,
Speaker 3: So I like to take I Love. I like to
Speaker 3: take Trevion Henderson, guys like that, Guys that may not
Speaker 3: swing or pop off, specifically early in the season. So
Speaker 3: for me, a guy with a high floor like Jalen Warren, like.
Speaker 2: Cuba, like I know you're a Cuba crime RB for
Speaker 2: you to take as your RB three once you've taken Trevion.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, exactly. I mean shoot, Cuba is a good
Speaker 3: example of this. I think Aaron Jones Went Healthy is
Speaker 3: a good example of this. So is Rashad White in
Speaker 3: that backfield. I just don't really trust your koy crossky merit.
Speaker 3: So for me, I think it's conditional based on who
Speaker 3: you draft. But if I have if I go early,
Speaker 3: like if I get into the two of the top
Speaker 3: ten that I want and then I take you know,
Speaker 3: three wide receivers, then I'm more than fine. Give me
Speaker 3: a you know, give me an upside shot on kyleman
Speaker 3: Ungai or Brooks or you know, somebody even deeper like
Speaker 3: Jonah Coleman. So I think it really depends on what
Speaker 3: you have on your roster. It's a little bit conditional.
Speaker 3: But I there's I think there's both sides of the
Speaker 3: coin here in the RB three is when we get
Speaker 3: to it, there is way, there's upside swings and there's
Speaker 3: a lot of floor in there. There's not a lot
Speaker 3: in between. But that's what you expect a running back.
Speaker 2: Yeah, No, that's an interesting way to take it. It's
Speaker 2: a more you know, pointed towards your strategy of that
Speaker 2: second RB tends to be more of the love slash
Speaker 2: traveon Henderson maybe Jenarium Price type. So you want to
Speaker 2: have a floor where I'm trying as best as possible
Speaker 2: to live in the high RB range where like my
Speaker 2: number one RB is someone like a gent or you know,
Speaker 2: a Brown or a Barkley. And then I come back
Speaker 2: and I get like a Bucky Irving or Javonte Williams
Speaker 2: or Jacobs and like living like that, then I don't
Speaker 2: think about it for a while. I'm I'm moving away
Speaker 2: from the I don't live in the Warren and the
Speaker 2: Swift and the touton range. And then I check in
Speaker 2: and I'm like, well, I have these two core incredible
Speaker 2: running backs. Why not just take big high upside if
Speaker 2: I'm you know, because what is really the difference between
Speaker 2: the Aaron Jones is and the whites? Or you go
Speaker 2: down a notch and you get Jacorey Krossky Merritt or
Speaker 2: Mason or even Sharbonnay who might be out for a
Speaker 2: couple of weeks. So that's I think where why I
Speaker 2: feel like I'm more comfortable taking a shot on a
Speaker 2: guy like Jonathan Brooks being higher. But it wasn't meant
Speaker 2: to necessarily be just Jonathan Brooks. It was more the
Speaker 2: strategy of how you attack the next running back. That's
Speaker 2: probably good to know because that's going to probably feed
Speaker 2: into a little bit of the ranks because we do
Speaker 2: have some differences, specifically Jonathan Brooks being the highest, and
Speaker 2: I think we've kind of covered a little bit of that,
Speaker 2: but we've got a few others in here twenty five
Speaker 2: to fifty as far as what those backs look like,
Speaker 2: But we do when we come back from the break,
Speaker 2: we've got to hit that last core five, that twenty
Speaker 2: one through twenty four, that last little grouping of the
Speaker 2: RB two's that we didn't hit in the last episode,
Speaker 2: and we'll talk about some of these other names. So
Speaker 2: let's take a break when we come back. It's Running
Speaker 2: Back Ranks Part two. Right here. In this league, the
Speaker 2: Snosberries taste like Snosberry's.
Speaker 3: I'm freaking out there. You are freaking out man, glittering
Speaker 3: and littering and.
Speaker 2: Glittering and smoking in this league. Break it down, all right. So,
Speaker 2: as mentioned in the last episode, twenty one through twenty four,
Speaker 2: the the ITL rank is Cam Skataboo, Traveon Henderson, Quincheon Jutkins,
Speaker 2: and DeAndre Swift. Jumpkins and ECR is the highest of
Speaker 2: these players at twenty. Swift is actually also higher. I'm
Speaker 2: the low guy on him. I'm also the low guy
Speaker 2: on Trevion where you are lower obviously, and like Skataboo
Speaker 2: than I am or or Quinchin Jutkins a little bit.
Speaker 2: So those are the four big guys. Let's talk about
Speaker 2: Judtkins for a second, because you can go and listen
Speaker 2: to the episode. In the breakdown, Jake takes it upon
Speaker 2: himself to talk about Judkins and not agreeing the rank,
Speaker 2: and I think it had ended up placing him into
Speaker 2: the mid twenties. And I kind of jumped ahead and
Speaker 2: teased this with him saying, well, the guy in the
Speaker 2: next here that you think is mis ranked, you tell
Speaker 2: me who is higher, quenchhn Judkins or Bachel Tutan And
Speaker 2: he emphatically said, Bachil tutin Tootin' He had it like
Speaker 2: twenty one or something like that, and essentially kind of
Speaker 2: flipped in how I think because you have Tooton at
Speaker 2: twenty seven, you have Judkins at twenty four. I think
Speaker 2: he was closer to Tooting being like twenty one or
Speaker 2: twenty two, and then Judkins was down there. He didn't
Speaker 2: believe in the receiving upside that that was going to
Speaker 2: take a big step. And obviously, like Tooton feels a
Speaker 2: little ken Walker to me, Bogs and that like I
Speaker 2: don't feel like there's a lot of middle ground either
Speaker 2: just you're in you think he's going to be the
Speaker 2: big guy, or you think, nope, Chris Rodriguez is gonna
Speaker 2: make this stupid. It's just going to be a mess
Speaker 2: and it's gonna feel gross, and you're never gonna have
Speaker 2: an even an RB two at any point in the
Speaker 2: season outside of occasional blow ups or something like that. Uh,
Speaker 2: you say you disagree, So talk to us about we
Speaker 2: haven't gotten to Toton yet. He's in this next tier.
Speaker 2: But why do you feel more affirmative on quinch On
Speaker 2: Jutkins because you do. The only of these these four backs,
Speaker 2: by the way, that isn't in a top twenty four
Speaker 2: for either one of us is me with Travon Henderson.
Speaker 2: Everybody else still fits in this RB two range. Judkins
Speaker 2: is your lowest. But and why in what case do
Speaker 2: you defend him over Touton?
Speaker 3: Judkins is a much much better running back than by
Speaker 3: shell Touton, and that's between the tackles. Maybe Judkins is
Speaker 3: not as good in the past game as Tuton, but
Speaker 3: that is secondary for a running back, right, So to me,
Speaker 3: the offense is better in Jacksonville there are many ways
Speaker 3: you can cut this up right, because the Browns offense
Speaker 3: could just be really bad again, the offensive line fixes
Speaker 3: might not work for them. Quarterback is still a massive question.
Speaker 3: You have rookies as your primary two wide receivers in
Speaker 3: Boston and Casey Kncepcion. I just don't I don't think
Speaker 3: Jerry Judy has much left, so I'm kind of done
Speaker 3: with him. Harold Fannon is established talent there. But I
Speaker 3: think Judkins is a three down back. I saw him
Speaker 3: do it at Old Miss. He worked very well with
Speaker 3: Traveon Henderson at Ohio State as well. I think he
Speaker 3: is a three down back if given this opportunity, they
Speaker 3: don't necessarily have to have him do that. And you
Speaker 3: know this could get weird in Cleveland with the new
Speaker 3: coaching staff. Rocket Sanders is by far the best goal
Speaker 3: line back here.
Speaker 2: Dude is uh.
Speaker 3: I mean he's just a little bowling ball, so uh,
Speaker 3: he is outstanding at short yardage stuff. Dylan Dylan Samson
Speaker 3: is your receiving back in Cleveland, So.
Speaker 2: You is better than Judkins in short yardage only.
Speaker 3: That's it, like goal because Rocket Sanders is enormous.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess I just think like Judkins, like that's
Speaker 2: he lives.
Speaker 3: I'm talking about this specific role, Like he is not
Speaker 3: a three down back, just as a you know, uh,
Speaker 3: just as a hammer. That is what Rocket Sanders does.
Speaker 3: Like he's a big dude. He's hard to bring down.
Speaker 3: I think Judkins has way more moves. Probably he could
Speaker 3: be better at the goal line, just because he can
Speaker 3: bounce as well. Rocket is straight up and down. He's uh,
Speaker 3: you know, short yardage only to me, so uh, Bichelle
Speaker 3: Tuton might fit very well in Jacksonville, that is a possibility.
Speaker 3: I just I don't think he's nearly as good of
Speaker 3: a back as Judkins, and I don't think he's much
Speaker 3: better than Sea Rot if you go look at a
Speaker 3: lot of the efficiency metrics from last season. Yes, they're
Speaker 3: on different teams, but in almost everything it was Sea
Speaker 3: Rod a little bit better than Tuton on a worst
Speaker 3: team last year with no Jane and Daniels. So I
Speaker 3: I'm more convinced about Tooton than I am Jacory Krossky
Speaker 3: Merritt and stuff like that. I would still take a
Speaker 3: swing on him if I want upside, but I think
Speaker 3: Judkins is the better back, and I think that most
Speaker 3: of the time the talent gets more volume, and volume
Speaker 3: is king and fantasy, and I think that is what
Speaker 3: we're gonna end up seeing. With Judkins. He is coming
Speaker 3: off an injury, a serious injury as well, but I
Speaker 3: think he's gonna be good to go week one. I
Speaker 3: think he's the primary back. I think he ends up
Speaker 3: with way more touches than Beachelle Tuton.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and by the way, I have these guys next
Speaker 2: to each other, and Judkins one, so I have them
Speaker 2: both his RB two. So I kind of cross the
Speaker 2: uprights on you guys where it's like, these are both
Speaker 2: players that I'm interested in, Like I'm coming around on
Speaker 2: Tooting a little bit more. I mean, I think everything
Speaker 2: you say about Chris Rodriguez, I think he's gonna be annoying,
Speaker 2: But I think Tuton's clearly gonna be playing in the
Speaker 2: receiving downs and he's gonna have a big, like third
Speaker 2: down role, whether it's you know, a third down back
Speaker 2: that whether he gets series, I think he could start.
Speaker 2: See I think Chris Rodriguez could start some series. I
Speaker 2: think they could swap between series start, but I think
Speaker 2: it always ends with Tutin outside of like short goal
Speaker 2: line stuff. So the annoying part is if Touton is decent,
Speaker 2: he's a good receiving back, but then inside anytime they
Speaker 2: get inside the top five, it's Chris Rodriguez time. That's
Speaker 2: gonna be annoying as hell for sure.
Speaker 3: But I think all might eat up some receptions there.
Speaker 2: Too, And that's another that's another that's another side of
Speaker 2: it too. But I also think, like quinch On Judkins
Speaker 2: proved to be one of the best playmakers on that team,
Speaker 2: and I mean average the same amount of points, by
Speaker 2: the way as Trevion Henderson he played. That's a from
Speaker 2: a per game base. He was down a couple games,
Speaker 2: so he fell short of being able to put up
Speaker 2: a thousand yard season. And I think there's a real
Speaker 2: possibility that, like they might want him as a three
Speaker 2: down back. You know, maybe they're gonna get in Sanders
Speaker 2: and maybe Dylan Samson's gonna kind of get his role.
Speaker 2: But at the same time, it also just might be
Speaker 2: the first five or six downs if they have a
Speaker 2: long extended drive, it is Jutkins, and then they bring
Speaker 2: in these other guys as complimentary for I just don't
Speaker 2: know how this team is going to justify not having
Speaker 2: Jutkins get twenty touches per game, whether that's getting a
Speaker 2: couple of catches, it's just straight carries. Like, I think
Speaker 2: the volume is there. I think the upside of dreaming
Speaker 2: because I think a lot of people have like dreamcast
Speaker 2: on him, Like, well, what if he catches fifty passes
Speaker 2: and they do that, It's like maybe he's gonna get
Speaker 2: like thirty five, you know, like maybe it's ten to
Speaker 2: twenty maximum more if he's more of a down back.
Speaker 2: But at the same time, what if he gets three
Speaker 2: hundred and fifty touches or something like that. You know,
Speaker 2: this coming year he had two and thirty carries, hit
Speaker 2: around twenty six catches, so two fifty. What if you
Speaker 2: up him to three fifteen, three twenty five or three fifty. Like,
Speaker 2: I think he's a top he could be a top
Speaker 2: fifteen back. I just don't know if the upside is
Speaker 2: that much greater unless there was an insane touchdown run.
Speaker 2: But I like both of these players.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think, you know, Samson is a really good backup.
Speaker 3: I know our guy Worm really likes Samson as well.
Speaker 3: He did out of college very you know, he's electric.
Speaker 3: I would say Samson is he's very good with the
Speaker 3: ball in his hands, very wiggily, but three downs, Judkins
Speaker 3: has them all. And I think the usage, if if
Speaker 3: he was perfectly healthy, it would be I would have
Speaker 3: Judkins much higher, and I would say that the usage
Speaker 3: is probably gonna be like, you know, Derek Henry versus
Speaker 3: Justice Hill, right, so way more Judkins. I think Jacksonville
Speaker 3: can go sideways real fast.
Speaker 2: Do you have anything? I'm the one guy I just
Speaker 2: kind of have stayed away and now I'm looking at
Speaker 2: my rank and I think I might make an adjustment
Speaker 2: because I just don't pull the trigger. I just don't
Speaker 2: know what to do with Cam Scatty. I just feel
Speaker 2: weird about it. I think he is setting himself up
Speaker 2: to be injury prone. I do think they like him.
Speaker 2: He looks like a guy that they're going to continue
Speaker 2: to get the ball with. But there's also some word
Speaker 2: that's flying around that like, does it seem insane that
Speaker 2: they might have like kind of a dual system between
Speaker 2: Tracy and him. Not to say that Kataboo isn't the
Speaker 2: main guy, but what if this is a fifty five
Speaker 2: to forty five or a sixty forty. I'm just not
Speaker 2: sure Skataboo is going to carry that load, that fantasy load.
Speaker 2: But at the same time, he did average sixteen points
Speaker 2: per game in his eight games, which was higher than
Speaker 2: Javonta Williams or Josh Jacobs. That would have put him
Speaker 2: more in the top ten range of fantasy running backs
Speaker 2: if he were to continue that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, look, Skataboo's debut was awesome and I was completely
Speaker 3: correct about him, so I think with all things.
Speaker 2: So say it again for yourself. I know you just
Speaker 2: want to.
Speaker 3: Say I was completely correct about him and everybody else
Speaker 3: is wrong.
Speaker 2: I will, and I have openly defended you in multiple spots.
Speaker 2: You the the most s that you took last year
Speaker 2: was anytime as Short was out about you with Cam
Speaker 2: Scataboo and the losers that would make comments about your
Speaker 2: take on Skataboo and how dumb it looked, especially if
Speaker 2: you just focus on the productivity of who he was
Speaker 2: as a runner in this offense, like you absolutely did
Speaker 2: nail it, and you just deserve those flowers.
Speaker 3: I watched this dude almost beat the Longhorn single handedly
Speaker 3: in the playoffs. He was unbelievable in that game, and
Speaker 3: you know we watched him all year in the Big twelve,
Speaker 3: ripping up defenses constantly. So I you know, if he
Speaker 3: was completely healthy again, I would have him much higher.
Speaker 3: He had a nasty injury, right, So my question would be,
Speaker 3: is this like a slow roll at beginning of the season?
Speaker 3: Is it more split? I think that's what we're going
Speaker 3: to get. I think it's going to be pretty split
Speaker 3: to start, and then it's just gonna be if Cam
Speaker 3: looks healthier. For the deeper we get into the season,
Speaker 3: the less splitting you're going to see. Because again, it
Speaker 3: is like Tony Romo Tatis, it's a meritocracy. You merit
Speaker 3: being out on the field. He is the best back
Speaker 3: for the Giants by a lot, so as long as
Speaker 3: there's not injury issues cropping up again, which look are
Speaker 3: a real thing. He only played half the season last year,
Speaker 3: right less than half the season, so the injury is
Speaker 3: an absolute worry. Of course, he is a smaller back.
Speaker 3: He runs with reckless, abandon all that stuff, so if
Speaker 3: you want to count that in there, you can. I'm
Speaker 3: a little bit lower on ECR than ECR I have
Speaker 3: been twenty three. He's a twenty one, but he's still
Speaker 3: an RB two to me and I would take him
Speaker 3: without much hesitation.
Speaker 2: I feel like I do have hesitation, and I feel like.
Speaker 3: Like, what if you have hesitation, he probably needs to
Speaker 3: go lower then yeah he does, because.
Speaker 2: What if this is like kyne Korum from this past year,
Speaker 2: but it's without the efficient offense, you know what I
Speaker 2: mean by that, where it's like it's got to be
Speaker 2: one series, Tracy, one series, and it's like he's got
Speaker 2: to be on the right side of the touchdowns. I'm
Speaker 2: not saying that's going to be the case, but Art
Speaker 2: also is still kind of you know, reckless, reckless abandonment
Speaker 2: and his running and you know they get into short yardage,
Speaker 2: it's not a guarantee that you're just going to hand
Speaker 2: it off to Skataboo and go. I just I just
Speaker 2: feel a little bit weird about it. I mean, if
Speaker 2: you were to just push every back flip. Yeah, everybody
Speaker 2: hated the backflip, but you know, you know, he could
Speaker 2: be evolved in the receiving game. You know, he can run,
Speaker 2: like the potential seems kind of great. And also he
Speaker 2: is given the best So we were using in the
Speaker 2: previous episode fantasy pros, fantasy points and PFF, and we
Speaker 2: weren't giving we were I mean, we were kind of
Speaker 2: going through some of the projections and stuff, but we
Speaker 2: use the projection as a rank. Cam Skataboo has the
Speaker 2: best projected rank of the four running backs we mentioned.
Speaker 2: Trayveon Judkins swift in him in every one of these
Speaker 2: projected sites except one. PFF has Judkins higher than Skataboo.
Speaker 2: But Skataboo is as high as seventeen on the Fantasy
Speaker 2: Pros projection. And that number is one thousand yards rushing,
Speaker 2: three hundred and fifty yards receiving, but it ends up
Speaker 2: being over ten touchdowns. If you round up, it's eleven touchdowns.
Speaker 2: So that's like close to fourteen hundred yards, forty five
Speaker 2: catches and whatever touchdowns I just said twelve or twelve
Speaker 2: to or eleven, Yeah, ten to eleven touchdowns, Like that's
Speaker 2: a pretty big marker. That's pretty similar to what's being
Speaker 2: projected out of Kiren Williams, you know, or even some
Speaker 2: of the projections on Jeremiah Love. So like if that
Speaker 2: does lay out, that's the highest of those projections. So he,
Speaker 2: you know, maybe he does deserve the flowers. I just
Speaker 2: feel he's one of the that's why I don't draft
Speaker 2: a lot of guys from this range because specifically him
Speaker 2: and the last one. We just spent a lot of
Speaker 2: time on this. I wanted to talk through with you,
Speaker 2: is you're a Travion guy. I'm not a Travion guy
Speaker 2: this year. I think Trevion is wildly talented. We've talked
Speaker 2: about it in multiple spots. He's twenty four on our list.
Speaker 2: Because you have him at twenty, I've got him at
Speaker 2: twenty six. The stuff, I know. You don't want to
Speaker 2: just read like one report and have it be anything,
Speaker 2: because it shouldn't be. But it's it's exactly like the
Speaker 2: report that came out the other He's struggling again in
Speaker 2: pass blocking, and it's like, if he's going to stay
Speaker 2: on the field, his best case is going to be
Speaker 2: able to be a three down back. He didn't really
Speaker 2: prove that last year. I feel like it's trending in
Speaker 2: the same direction and they still love stupid Rimandre Stevenson
Speaker 2: and it's just like, I think he will be fine,
Speaker 2: But I don't think that is deserved of him being
Speaker 2: a top twenty four running back because I don't when
Speaker 2: I look at his usage one hundred and eighty carries
Speaker 2: nine hundred yards, which is great. Nine touchdowns that was great,
Speaker 2: thirty five catches. I mean it was a solid season.
Speaker 2: I don't know how much more on the upside that
Speaker 2: I see, And I think from a projection standpoint full agreement.
Speaker 2: Because guess what the worst projection of every single player
Speaker 2: projected rank of every single one of these three of
Speaker 2: the four players we're talking about, it's Trevon Henderson twenty
Speaker 2: four in Fantasy Pros, twenty four on PFF and Fantasy
Speaker 2: Points has him at twenty nine at RB, and they
Speaker 2: have him going, let's see this. Why am I not
Speaker 2: seeing this? This can't be This projection clearly can't be
Speaker 2: right because it says he's rushing for oh that's attempt Sorry, okay, no,
Speaker 2: I'm sorry. Here we go, uh seven hundred and eighty yards,
Speaker 2: one hundred and seventy three attempts, two thirty two on
Speaker 2: the ground, and it's like seven touchdowns. It's essentially him
Speaker 2: rolling back. So the projection is with that. I'm not
Speaker 2: a treve young guy because I don't think the usage
Speaker 2: is going to go up to a big dramatic degree.
Speaker 2: Maybe he'll be a tiny bit more efficient, but eleven
Speaker 2: and a half points projected per game on Fantasy Points
Speaker 2: is RB twenty nine. That ain't my RB twenty five.
Speaker 3: Point one yards per attempt. Let me let me tell
Speaker 3: you who else had that. Bijean five point one yards
Speaker 3: per ten, Gibbs five yards per attempt, James Cook five
Speaker 3: yards per five point two, and uh eight Chan five
Speaker 3: point seven, Derrick Henry five point two. Those are the
Speaker 3: guys that averaged over five yards per attempt last season.
Speaker 3: That's not not only Sat and he only had one
Speaker 3: hundred and eighty carries. I understand that, but that would
Speaker 3: be a regression from last year. The numbers you read
Speaker 3: off at nine hundred and eleven yards and nine scores
Speaker 3: last year, Ramondre Stevenson missed time. We talked about the
Speaker 3: second year for a lot of backs, right, remember that
Speaker 3: second year for JT, that second year for Chase Brown,
Speaker 3: what we all hope is going to be the second
Speaker 3: year for Ash and genty Right. So I think a
Speaker 3: lot of popping off happens in the second year for
Speaker 3: big time backs. And I think, in particular what I
Speaker 3: like about him, there's two things that I like about
Speaker 3: taking Travon Henderson as my RB. Two is that I
Speaker 3: feel like the running backs are deeper this year. So
Speaker 3: what we discussed before, where I can take a guy
Speaker 3: with a high floor and if you know Trayvon Henderson
Speaker 3: isn't working or isn't working early, I can throw in
Speaker 3: Cuba and no, he's gonna get a lot of carriers.
Speaker 3: I could throw in Jalen and know at worst he's
Speaker 3: splitting with Rico, right. I could throw in Jerim Price,
Speaker 3: who's going to be the guy early, Tony Pollard just
Speaker 3: lead back, right, So I could take one of these
Speaker 3: guys and I can kind of supplement those early possible
Speaker 3: struggles for Traveon Henderson and play for the upside. So
Speaker 3: this is not a pick I'd make an every year
Speaker 3: with every scenario, but with the depth behind him. I
Speaker 3: do like taking the risk at RB two uh and
Speaker 3: taking Trayvon Henderson. I'd rather take it on love, but
Speaker 3: I will also take Traveon Henderson.
Speaker 2: I will point out fantasy points. Here's the reason as well,
Speaker 2: why they're the lowest they ever and Andre projected higher
Speaker 2: than Trevion the twenty fourth.
Speaker 3: It's Camps man that I don't know.
Speaker 2: I Camps is pushing that for fantasy points.
Speaker 3: No, no, no, dude, it is the like choosing of
Speaker 3: the players like their team versus Yeah, this is uh,
Speaker 3: who are the where Wolf and Vampire Dorks? Team Jacob
Speaker 3: versus team whoever?
Speaker 2: What a reference? There's a good reference that. No, you
Speaker 2: think anybody in this demographic was watching. I don't even
Speaker 2: know what the hell it's called.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, but well yeah, That's what I'm saying though,
Speaker 3: is that it's what you're going to see on the
Speaker 3: projections is that different sites are in a different camp
Speaker 3: for different situations.
Speaker 2: Right, So, well, two of these sites, by the way,
Speaker 2: how I believe how maybe I'm wrong about this? I
Speaker 2: thought I saw two of them were higher on remind
Speaker 2: right now, PFF is their next to each other twenty
Speaker 2: four and twenty six. It's the Fantasy pros one that
Speaker 2: has like a much higher gap between the two. But
Speaker 2: PFF is pretty close to those two.
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, look and it can reminder is still a
Speaker 3: good back in the league.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 3: What I like in particular about the Patriots offense for
Speaker 3: Traveon Henderson more than Stevenson, but it should benefit them both,
Speaker 3: is adding AJ Brown, you know, adding AJ Brown and
Speaker 3: adding Romeo Dobbs to this offense to give Drake May
Speaker 3: some real NFL caliber pass catchers. I think is going
Speaker 3: to be enormous for lifting eight men in the box
Speaker 3: from both of these running backs. And I think it's
Speaker 3: better for Travion because he has more speed. So I
Speaker 3: really think Traveon fits perfectly in this offense. If they
Speaker 3: get it working early, it's going to be Travion and
Speaker 3: don't look back. At some point in this backfield, it
Speaker 3: will be Traveon Henderson and don't look back said last year. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 3: but I think it's going to be this year. And
Speaker 3: obviously I'm saying that with my rank.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, one hundred percent, and just like my and
Speaker 2: I'm gonna be right until I'm wrong.
Speaker 3: But it's like that was Jonathan Taylor and Chase Brown.
Speaker 2: So those guys I said.
Speaker 3: I also said it about JT and Chase Brown in
Speaker 3: their second year and it worked out for both of
Speaker 3: those guys.
Speaker 2: Yeah. No, I mean, you could be the right guy.
Speaker 2: You can be the mister. Wright'm right about all this stuff.
Speaker 2: That's fine. I'm just saying, like this was the argument
Speaker 2: for literally ten weeks before preseason. Travion's going to have
Speaker 2: it almost word for word of what you said. It
Speaker 2: was like at some point Travion's going to be the guy,
Speaker 2: and it's like the team didn't allow it. That's actually
Speaker 2: my big hang up. It's not that he's not talented.
Speaker 2: I agree, he's an explosive playmaker. Get that guy the
Speaker 2: ball in his hands and open field all freaking day long.
Speaker 2: That team doesn't want to let him have that. They
Speaker 2: don't take reminder off the field. So why is it
Speaker 2: going to change this year? That's my big question. Maybe
Speaker 2: that's not enough to take away from talented players like this.
Speaker 2: It's just Travion still doesn't have a cheap price. If
Speaker 2: Travion was close or why where I had him and
Speaker 2: you had Treveon next to like Touton and Pollard and
Speaker 2: Doubtel and stuff, or where Stevenson is, I wouldn't be
Speaker 2: able to help myself. It's just the cost. The ECR
Speaker 2: cost is at twenty four. It's top twenty four. But
Speaker 2: at the same time, you having your investment in him.
Speaker 2: I don't, And it's gonna it's gonna work one of
Speaker 2: those ways. There's there's probably no scenario where like the
Speaker 2: evenness of this works out like this does feel a
Speaker 2: little bit like easy either gonna it's.
Speaker 3: Either gonna Stevens.
Speaker 2: I guess yeah, it's like one of one of these
Speaker 2: takes are gonna be right. You're not gonna look at
Speaker 2: this and be like, well, this is.
Speaker 3: A little bit in the middle to a point that
Speaker 3: you make a lot. You can't wait eight weeks and
Speaker 3: then Henderson goes for it, and they'll say, oh, I
Speaker 3: was totally right. It's got to be like a month
Speaker 3: in and I I think it'll be fairly quick. I
Speaker 3: think Henderson takes a big step, though I have been
Speaker 3: wrong in the past.
Speaker 2: Though I will say though in construction is how you
Speaker 2: can make it happen. That that's where, like I I'm
Speaker 2: Henderson is not a fade for me in that. Now,
Speaker 2: if we build a scenario, I don't know what your
Speaker 2: running backs would look like, but if you if you
Speaker 2: can have a stable guy and then you're able to
Speaker 2: in some way, maybe you take let's just say you
Speaker 2: got McCaffrey at like three or four or five, and
Speaker 2: he came back down, he got a wide receiver, and
Speaker 2: then I'm trying to think of ADPs. I don't know
Speaker 2: if I'm off on this, but if you could do
Speaker 2: really particularly if you could do a round four or
Speaker 2: five where you can get a Trevion and then another
Speaker 2: one of these back soon. I think you mitigate the
Speaker 2: risk more than where you kind of like the whoever
Speaker 2: it is, the boring your guy, the more boring guys
Speaker 2: and stuff like that, the tubas and stuff. If you
Speaker 2: could give me Judkins to go with Henderson and I
Speaker 2: have a three, it's a heavy back investment, but the
Speaker 2: payoff could be tremendous because if Henderson works out, he's
Speaker 2: gonna ball in your team's and look sick. And if
Speaker 2: he doesn't work out, you protected yourself with another high
Speaker 2: end running back.
Speaker 3: I like your example, but I would say more like,
Speaker 3: if I take Trevion Henderson, I'm probably not also taking Judkins.
Speaker 3: I think i'd rather take like de Andre Swift. Yeah,
Speaker 3: that's probably a better example. Yeah yeah, yeah, just or
Speaker 3: David Monk, like if Montgomery's there, Like, it's more floor
Speaker 3: that you love that worn Yeah, yeah, exactly so that
Speaker 3: and but that's what makes me have Trevion Anderson at
Speaker 3: twenty is that there are backs going behind him that
Speaker 3: I also still like and have offer a lot of
Speaker 3: floor in protection should that pick not work out.
Speaker 2: Okay, I made us go so much longer than I
Speaker 2: thought we would on that, but it was a good
Speaker 2: talking points. Yeah, all right, twenty five through thirty four
Speaker 2: at our Actually you know what, I'm going to just
Speaker 2: go straight to thirty six. These are your RB threes
Speaker 2: if you will. The ITL rank has Jendarium Price at
Speaker 2: twenty five, and if I look correctly, I believe that
Speaker 2: is the only one we are bar for bar On.
Speaker 3: I think David Montgomery, we're both twenty one.
Speaker 2: I'm in at this range. Oh, we had a couple
Speaker 2: of this. Of these twelve, it's the only one we
Speaker 2: go bar for bar four. Number twenty six is Jalen Warren.
Speaker 2: His ECR is twenty seven. Number twenty seven is Basehel Tutin.
Speaker 2: Interesting one because I have him at twenty three, but
Speaker 2: you got him at twenty seven. I'm actually trying to understand,
Speaker 2: And how does that work? By the way, how is
Speaker 2: I have Warren really low? You see what I'm saying
Speaker 2: here with Warren and Tuton. I have Warren at thirty one,
Speaker 2: you have him at twenty six, but I have Tooton
Speaker 2: at twenty three and you have at twenty seven. I
Speaker 2: think Touton should be higher on that? Does that wrong?
Speaker 2: About are you also counting in the They both.
Speaker 3: Up to fifty, so no, I'm not that up to fifty.
Speaker 3: So it should be Tooton at twenty six and then
Speaker 3: Warren at twenty seven.
Speaker 2: That's what it should be, Okay, Yeah, minuscual Ministuel, Yeah,
Speaker 2: but Warren Tony Okay, So twenty eight. Tony Pollard is
Speaker 2: our consensus. We're both very close. Dubdell comes in at
Speaker 2: twenty nine, chew Butt thirty, Ramandre thirty one, Aaron Jones
Speaker 2: at thirty two. Thirty three is Rashad White, Blake korm
Speaker 2: is thirty four, R J. Harvey's thirty five, and kylemanong
Speaker 2: Gui is thirty six. So I think there's a name
Speaker 2: that's clearly missing out of this which we've talked about.
Speaker 2: And Jonathan Brooks, he didn't make this list because you
Speaker 2: and I are pretty different on here. Let's just do
Speaker 2: some kind of quick hits on some of these. I
Speaker 2: think we both adamantly agree. Jendarium Price is like such
Speaker 2: a good fun back to have. I could see a
Speaker 2: world where I've gone heavy wide receiver and Jenderium Price
Speaker 2: is my second running back. I will try very very
Speaker 2: hard to get into a third one. I personally wouldn't
Speaker 2: care about getting a Tutin. I might try to push
Speaker 2: for a Tony Pollard, but Jenerium Price has a ton
Speaker 2: of upside, and frankly, the way these are constructed, you
Speaker 2: could take a Price and then just take Zach scharbona
Speaker 2: Ay a little bit later, unless you think they're gonna
Speaker 2: monopolize each other. But you could kind of back yourself
Speaker 2: up if you think one is going to be the
Speaker 2: main guy.
Speaker 3: This Pollyanna crap with sharbon A bothers me and I
Speaker 3: even like I'm one spot below. We both have sharbon
Speaker 3: A at forty five. But I like all of this
Speaker 3: nonsense of him coming back week one. The dude got
Speaker 3: hurt in the playoffs. He is not coming back to
Speaker 3: Halloween at best, probably closer to Thanksgiving. So you go
Speaker 3: out and you spend a first round pick on Jeneerium Price,
Speaker 3: and honestly, nobody knows, nobody knows, nobody knows, nobody knows
Speaker 3: with the true ceiling on Jendarian Price is because he
Speaker 3: was behind Jeremiah Love in college, so there could be
Speaker 3: we could have a three down back that we all
Speaker 3: slept on and obviously should have been a first round pick,
Speaker 3: and he was a last pick in the first round.
Speaker 3: We could have a guy that you know was used
Speaker 3: more sparingly than we like and that helped him out
Speaker 3: a lot. So I just think that price is way
Speaker 3: better than anyone currently healthy and on the roster right now.
Speaker 3: He's way better than Emmanuel Wilson. He's way better than
Speaker 3: George Hallane. And I think he is going to be
Speaker 3: your main back. And I think if Seattle is close
Speaker 3: to making the playoffs again, they're gonna ease Charbonaye back in.
Speaker 3: Whenever he comes back, let's just call it the middle
Speaker 3: of November to call between Halloween and Thanksgiving, right, I
Speaker 3: think he's going to be eased back. So maybe he
Speaker 3: gives you some value in the playoffs if he's all
Speaker 3: the way up back up to speed. I just don't
Speaker 3: know if we get there this year, that's a brutal
Speaker 3: injury to come over and get past in less than
Speaker 3: a year of torn acl So.
Speaker 2: Steelers running backs, we are different. You are twenty six
Speaker 2: on Warren, I'm thirty one. You are thirty on Rico,
Speaker 2: and I am twenty eight. The projections, I guess, by
Speaker 2: the way, I kind of I forget the projections are
Speaker 2: kind of having like an effect on this as well.
Speaker 2: The projections on Warren, they're actually kind of lower than
Speaker 2: the ECR for the most part, like Fantasy Points is
Speaker 2: and the Fantasy Pros win if you care on Warren
Speaker 2: and Dowdell all of the well, no, actually, PFF is
Speaker 2: in favor of my rank. They've got Doubtle at thirty
Speaker 2: and Warren at thirty one, but the other two Fantasy
Speaker 2: Pros and Fantasy Points do have the projected rank on
Speaker 2: Warren slightly higher than Dowdell. You and I your four
Speaker 2: spots difference between them on three spots different between them,
Speaker 2: they technically still average out his top thirty backs. You're
Speaker 2: a Warren guy, and I would tell you your boy
Speaker 2: FITZI was kind of with you. He actually pinpointed Dowdell
Speaker 2: is kind of miss ranked because he doesn't really like Daudell.
Speaker 2: One of the things he said though, was like he
Speaker 2: was he was kind of citing off some like receiver
Speaker 2: efficiency numbers, and I'm just not sure that that's necessarily
Speaker 2: fair because like.
Speaker 3: They were both top ten as receivers last night.
Speaker 2: Okay, so thank you for that one. Well, because he
Speaker 2: was using it and he was just using it in
Speaker 2: a way to be like this is why Warren is
Speaker 2: so much better. But it's like Rico Daddell is a
Speaker 2: fine receiver. They just have to be comfortable playing like
Speaker 2: checkdowns for that. I think this is gonna be a
Speaker 2: series to series type of thing. These are both very
Speaker 2: capable backs. There is kind of this small precedent that
Speaker 2: was kind of thrown out about how you know, like
Speaker 2: you know Rico could you know Rico has been pushed
Speaker 2: in positions where they want to see this be like
Speaker 2: the guy. They obviously brought in a running back last
Speaker 2: year in Caleb Johnson that didn't work out, so maybe
Speaker 2: there were questions on it, Like I think Warren's Warren's
Speaker 2: like locked into a role, like he's not gonna lose,
Speaker 2: you know, that receiving down role. He's probably gonna catch
Speaker 2: forty to fifty passes, but I'm just not sure he's
Speaker 2: gonna have two hundred carries again this year. I think
Speaker 2: they might lean a little on Rico. So I like
Speaker 2: Rico in some of that touchdown efficiency. I think they
Speaker 2: both eat in to each other. But I do think
Speaker 2: Rico has shown some some big playability.
Speaker 3: Here's what Rico has that Jalen doesn't have his experience
Speaker 3: with Mike McCarthy. Right, that's the biggest thing that Rico
Speaker 3: has that Jalen Warren doesn't. But every single time we
Speaker 3: doubt Jalen Warren, that's fair. We don't think he's anything,
Speaker 3: and he pushes Nausey out of the job. We think
Speaker 3: that Caleb Johnson comes here and takes this job over. Nope,
Speaker 3: it's still Jalen Warren. Right, And Kenneth Canwell got into
Speaker 3: because Jalen was a little banged up. But I had
Speaker 3: these numbers pulled up for this debate specifically in another show,
Speaker 3: So I just want to throw a couple oots out here.
Speaker 3: Of fifty nine qualified running backs on Fantasy Points, Warren
Speaker 3: was ninth in yards after contact per attempt at two
Speaker 3: point four, eight eleventh for Dowdle. So they're right there,
Speaker 3: a fourteenth and success success percentage for Warren, fortieth for
Speaker 3: dowd fifty four point five to forty eight point three.
Speaker 3: That might have been offensive line issues in Carolina though,
Speaker 3: Eighteenth in inside the five carry percentage, eighth for Dowdle.
Speaker 3: So that's the one thing that Daddle has on him,
Speaker 3: is he had more goal line carries for his team
Speaker 3: last year than Warranton.
Speaker 2: And this was over Cuba. Who you and you're a
Speaker 2: Cuba guy?
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I yeah, No, I'm I'm I'm a yeah,
Speaker 3: I'm a Warren guy. I know this is between Warren
Speaker 3: and Dawdle last year.
Speaker 2: No, no, I understand. I'm saying like that, like inside,
Speaker 2: like you were a Cuba guy.
Speaker 3: And we'll talk about you. But Cuba's whole thing to
Speaker 3: me is he was hurt last year. But six in
Speaker 3: yards per target fourteenth for Doattle, they're not that far off. Uh,
Speaker 3: yards after contact per reception, Warren was first. Uh, Tuba
Speaker 3: was second, right or no, I'm sorry, Yeah, I mean
Speaker 3: it was first for Warren, it was second for Cuba,
Speaker 3: and it was eighth for Dowdle. Yeah. So yards per
Speaker 3: oute run third for Warren, thirteenth for Dottle, target six
Speaker 3: for Warren, fifteenth for Doddle. So I I just it
Speaker 3: is points per reception is points for out run. Actually
Speaker 3: was that's where Warren was six and Dad was fifteenth.
Speaker 3: So in all these efficiency numbers, Warren is a little
Speaker 3: bit better.
Speaker 2: But Daddell has this.
Speaker 3: It's going to be a true split I think it's
Speaker 3: going to be a growth split for most of the year.
Speaker 3: But I do side with Warren a little bit, just
Speaker 3: because he's been there longer and he's a little more
Speaker 3: efficient when.
Speaker 2: Don't we talk about you on on the side, I
Speaker 2: think Tony Pollard is one of the better values here.
Speaker 2: I don't think they've done anything to make any significant
Speaker 2: changes against We saw Pollard go over one thousand yards
Speaker 2: last season. He put a full season in it. Touchdown
Speaker 2: if top positive touchdown regression could play really well in him.
Speaker 2: If that team is even just a tiny bit more
Speaker 2: efficient and a second year under cam Ward and they
Speaker 2: can pass the ball a little bit, I feel very
Speaker 2: comfortable with Tony Pollard. I don't know about you. Of
Speaker 2: all the running backs in here, no one had more
Speaker 2: carries than Pollard last year, but he had one of
Speaker 2: the lower touchdown totals overall, and I think a little
Speaker 2: bit more run on there could move him from being
Speaker 2: a late twenties guy to being inside the twenty. I
Speaker 2: think he is such a good safe option, and even
Speaker 2: as much that he's one of those dudes were like,
Speaker 2: if I was really really heavy wide receiver, you know,
Speaker 2: maybe maybe I went wide receiver, tight end, running back,
Speaker 2: wide receiver, you know, and I had to. I got
Speaker 2: one of the elite tight ends. I got Bowers of McBride,
Speaker 2: and I wanted to get a couple other wideouts. Like
Speaker 2: Holler is my number two. I really can't stomach because
Speaker 2: I think he provides, just like I don't think it's
Speaker 2: a ton of ceiling, but it's this great floor where
Speaker 2: it's like I think I'm gonna get two hundred and
Speaker 2: fifty to two eighty touches. I'm gonna get probably somewhere
Speaker 2: between twelve hundred to fourteen hundred total yards, and if
Speaker 2: I get a little bit extra touchdowns, I'm gonna beat
Speaker 2: my cost on it.
Speaker 3: So I really like Pollard better offense this year for sure, Right,
Speaker 3: new new coaching staff and all that. Carnell Tate, Wando Robinson.
Speaker 3: Second year for cam Ward offense should be way better.
Speaker 3: And look, I know people like Nick Singleton. Nick Singleton
Speaker 3: doesn't know where to run, right, that was his problem
Speaker 3: in college. K Tron Allen knows where to run, but
Speaker 3: he's not the physical athlete that Nick Singleton is. Nick
Speaker 3: Singleton is a crazy athlete that doesn't know what to do.
Speaker 3: So I like all the talk about Singleton and throwing
Speaker 3: a dart at him and all that stuff. Maybe as
Speaker 3: a handcuff, I still think Tidy E. Speiars is way
Speaker 3: by Singleton. So yeah, I'm with you Tony Pollard. Like
Speaker 3: I said, I take Jeremiah Love. Tony Pollard is on
Speaker 3: my radar every single time. I take Treyion Henderson. Tony
Speaker 3: Pollard's on my radar every single time for that third back,
Speaker 3: so very very strong third back.
Speaker 2: If you can get him there, you're welcome to do this.
Speaker 2: You're the Cuba guy. I'm not that much far off.
Speaker 2: I've got him at thirty. I've got him in the
Speaker 2: same range as Brooks though. So that's where I've kind
Speaker 2: of fall into this. Like I'm a little indifferent about Chew,
Speaker 2: but I think he'll have a fine role. But I
Speaker 2: actually kind of see it in the exact same vein
Speaker 2: as the Jayleen Warren thing, where it's like, I think
Speaker 2: you're gonna get Carries. I think he's gonna be a
Speaker 2: good receiver out of the backfield, like you're gonna want,
Speaker 2: but maybe you don't want the major touches he has
Speaker 2: suffered that injury last year. Maybe you don't want him
Speaker 2: to push over two hundred carries or maybe two undred touches.
Speaker 2: He had like one hundred and sixty last year in
Speaker 2: fifteen games. So I mean, if you want to keep
Speaker 2: him to like under two hundred touches, that potentially leaves
Speaker 2: two hundred plus more touches for a guy like Jonathan Brooks,
Speaker 2: who I think is going to be explosive in open
Speaker 2: field when can give it or if there's just any holes,
Speaker 2: you know, open up a hole for him. And if
Speaker 2: you're talking about am I willing to pass on Cuba
Speaker 2: to get Jonathan Brooks like a round or two later,
Speaker 2: That's why I kind of continuously move away from him.
Speaker 2: But you're still a Cuba guy. And I know it
Speaker 2: was based a lot around that injury.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Like he got hurt week three or four September
Speaker 3: twenty eighth was when he pulled his calf and he
Speaker 3: was not the same guy after that. This is a
Speaker 3: dude that had that came almost out of nowhere. No
Speaker 3: one really was buying into Cuba in twenty twenty four.
Speaker 3: Had a massive season, right, They made him a team captain,
Speaker 3: extended him all this stuff, and then you dropt a
Speaker 3: guy like Jonathan Brooks to come in here and be something,
Speaker 3: and then Jonathan Brooks gets hurt, right, So I just
Speaker 3: I think Cuba was hurt for a big chunk of
Speaker 3: the season last year, and Rico just went off on
Speaker 3: this crazy tear. Remember that like a month where Rico
Speaker 3: was the best player in fantasy for you had the
Speaker 3: two hundred yard game, not scoring a bunch of touchdowns,
Speaker 3: all that stuff. So it was just like, well, how
Speaker 3: are we taking Rico off the field? He's on fire
Speaker 3: right now. So Juba just wasn't the guy after that,
Speaker 3: and I think the CAF thing really dogged him for
Speaker 3: the rest of the year. So, you know, Jonathan Brooks
Speaker 3: is coming off of a torn ACL and then a
Speaker 3: follow up procedure because the first surgery wasn't good enough.
Speaker 3: And Jonathan Brooks also doesn't have a ton of experience.
Speaker 3: He played behind Beijon at Texas, right, so he had
Speaker 3: like eleven games as a starter in college, maybe less
Speaker 3: than that, maybe nine, and then towards ACL and then
Speaker 3: missed his whole rookie year because he had to have
Speaker 3: you know, clean up surgery again for this. So two
Speaker 3: surgeries on the knee make me a little bit leary.
Speaker 3: But I talked to Deepak Chona. He said, hey, look,
Speaker 3: Brooks looks good. We have, you know, good information from
Speaker 3: the doctor on this. So he's feeling pretty good about him.
Speaker 3: And I moved him way up because I was like
Speaker 3: two torn knees. He's in the fifties for me, guys,
Speaker 3: I don't know what the hell y'all y'all are talking about,
Speaker 3: but after talking to Deepak, I have moved him up.
Speaker 3: Still not quite an RB three for me. I don't
Speaker 3: trust him that much, but I you know, I accept
Speaker 3: that I could be wrong. He was great in his
Speaker 3: starting stint for the Longhorns, very good back, very wiggly,
Speaker 3: you know, right out of the backfield as well. And
Speaker 3: I have a lot of hope. But I think the
Speaker 3: true answer for this Panthers backfield eventually is whoever they
Speaker 3: draft next year. I don't think it's either one of
Speaker 3: these guys in a great, great role this season.
Speaker 2: That's interesting. Yeah, I mean, I'm not sure I agree
Speaker 2: with that, but it might it might play out like that.
Speaker 2: I just I think there's a lot of hope for
Speaker 2: them to have stood by Jonathan Brooks. And you're hearing
Speaker 2: the glaring reports out of camp and you know that
Speaker 2: if he has open field, he's going to do crazy stuff.
Speaker 2: Early on, before he had got hurt, you were seeing
Speaker 2: him catch the ball out of the backfield. That's way
Speaker 2: they're going to feature. It's going to be screen passes
Speaker 2: to get him open field stuff. Now that also might
Speaker 2: be why Chuba continuously gets more touches, and it might
Speaker 2: be more of a you know, a per touch situation
Speaker 2: with Jonathan Brooks, but he's just so cheap. And your rank,
Speaker 2: because he is one of the buzziest players, is you
Speaker 2: are out on Jonathan Brooks. And I know you're not
Speaker 2: saying that, and you don't necessarily feel that way, but
Speaker 2: you are out because you are lower than ECR. And
Speaker 2: ECR is already dragging at thirty nine. Our rank is
Speaker 2: thirty eight. I you know, somehow I didn't drag it
Speaker 2: too much even though I have him at at thirty two,
Speaker 2: but I would take him obviously at thirty two, I'm
Speaker 2: taking him above Dobbins and Manogui and RJ. Harvey, like
Speaker 2: I kind of feel, I don't know, I mean, maybe
Speaker 2: I'm not giving enough credit to Harvey because Harvey's rank
Speaker 2: isn't really too crazy. I have him at thirty seven
Speaker 2: in a row. Maybe Harvey's kind of a similar role
Speaker 2: where it's like I think Dobbins is gonna be annoying
Speaker 2: and it's gonna get carries, but RJ Harvey, I also
Speaker 2: don't One thing that really baffled me last year was like,
Speaker 2: remember the back half of the year, it was like,
Speaker 2: why are you not throwing the ball to Harvey more?
Speaker 2: I mean, he did end up having forty seven catches,
Speaker 2: the fifty eight targets was nice, but there was just
Speaker 2: something about where I was just like, why are we
Speaker 2: not featuring him in that role a little bit more?
Speaker 2: Like he? I mean, there's a little bit of gambling
Speaker 2: in my brain where I was like, why can I
Speaker 2: not smash the one point five over every single game
Speaker 2: on RJ? Harvey just as a way to get open
Speaker 2: field stuff. But I just don't know if you're gonna
Speaker 2: see a concerted effort to have a ton more carries,
Speaker 2: and unless they throw the ball hole lot more to him,
Speaker 2: I'm just not sure Harvey has a ton more upsite.
Speaker 2: But you know, it's funny because I don't mentally put
Speaker 2: Harvey in the same vein as I do Brooks, And
Speaker 2: maybe that's actually kind of wrong. I'm just not a
Speaker 2: Harvey guy. I actually think Dobbins is a kind of
Speaker 2: a decent deal. If you want a boring running back,
Speaker 2: shit's gonna get volume.
Speaker 3: I would say, like Harvey has experienced, that's like the
Speaker 3: leg up that he has on Brooks. In my opinion,
Speaker 3: that's why I have him a little bit higher. As
Speaker 3: far as why he didn't catch the ball that much,
Speaker 3: I mean, he caught it okay in college, but it
Speaker 3: really wasn't a big piece of UCF's game plan, right
Speaker 3: this dude two and twenty carries, two earn thirty two carries,
Speaker 3: nineteen catches twenty kis or twenty catches in his last
Speaker 3: two years in college.
Speaker 2: So and maybe it was the latter half of the season,
Speaker 2: I mean, interrupt you, but like, because I'm looking at
Speaker 2: the game log and I do see it must be
Speaker 2: the beginning of the season. I was thinking of where
Speaker 2: it was like, let's go receiving yards over because at
Speaker 2: the end he did have four more targets in four
Speaker 2: of his final five games and caught three or more
Speaker 2: in four of those final or four of those final
Speaker 2: six games. He just would have like a dud game
Speaker 2: where they do not throw the ball to him whatsoever,
Speaker 2: and then he would have a game where all of
Speaker 2: a sudden he's involved in the passing game, and it
Speaker 2: just felt like we could have more explosive playmaking from there,
Speaker 2: but it was kind of sporadic. It was like they
Speaker 2: did in the beginning, then they kind of went away
Speaker 2: from it, and then they really jump back into it
Speaker 2: on the back half of the year.
Speaker 3: I feel the best about R. J. Harvey in that backfield,
Speaker 3: but I don't think I'm investing in the Denver backfield
Speaker 3: unless Joanah Coleman falls right. That's the one guy that
Speaker 3: I kind of want to take, So maybe I need
Speaker 3: to even be lower on herd. Yeah, I am, I'm
Speaker 3: a spot ahead of ECR or I'm I guess I'm
Speaker 3: one spot below ECR, and I don't really feel that
Speaker 3: great about him, so I will probably lower him a
Speaker 3: little bit.
Speaker 2: Fantasy points is the lowest they've actually got him at
Speaker 2: thirty eight on this list as far as projected running backs.
Speaker 2: That's the rank that he comes out, and there's really
Speaker 2: not growth by the way, they have him under five
Speaker 2: hundred rushing yards or am I looking at that correctly?
Speaker 2: Let's see hold on, let me click that. Yeah, I'm
Speaker 2: looking at the correctly. It's under five hundred rushing yards.
Speaker 2: It's kind of the same. They just kind of having
Speaker 2: him run it back and they have Dobbins projected right
Speaker 2: under him, so there's I don't know, it seems a
Speaker 2: little weird. I'm not sure the expectations should be like
Speaker 2: that as far as like both Denver running backs are
Speaker 2: going to be outside the top thirty five or thirty six.
Speaker 2: But they're just kind of both eating into each other,
Speaker 2: which is odd. And Dobbin's not involved in the passing game.
Speaker 2: But maybe we should give him a little teny bit
Speaker 2: more credit. One more guy in this range. I think
Speaker 2: that's worth the conversation is Blake Korum. The Rams did
Speaker 2: the thing last year where they play drive to drive,
Speaker 2: especially the back half of the year. First drive is
Speaker 2: Karen Williams, second drive is Blake Koram, and they would
Speaker 2: essentially give those guys the drive. What happened in a
Speaker 2: few instances I recall, especially watching the back half of
Speaker 2: the year, is in those Kirene drives, you would just
Speaker 2: have these moments where all of a sudden, like they
Speaker 2: would just go twelve and then all of a sudden,
Speaker 2: Koran would come in after you know, Kyraen his gas
Speaker 2: and Korn would get some of those opportunities. You know,
Speaker 2: you take all the cool workout videos you've seen this year,
Speaker 2: But more than anything, there is a narrative around Blake
Speaker 2: Koran being way more heavily involved in this offense. I
Speaker 2: don't know how much more he can be involved. He
Speaker 2: had around one hundred and fifty carries, seven hundred rushing yards.
Speaker 2: They didn't do anything in the passing game really with
Speaker 2: either one of these guys. So the question is, I
Speaker 2: guess you were lower, so maybe you're not going to
Speaker 2: be great for this. Do you believe he can be
Speaker 2: more involved? And how does that manifest?
Speaker 3: I think it's pretty easy to write how that manifest.
Speaker 3: They kicked the Jesus out of everybody, right, and now
Speaker 3: in the let's just give Blake korm the fourth quarter, right.
Speaker 3: I think that's kind of what it is, is that
Speaker 3: this team looks so overpowered right now. Specifically, if they
Speaker 3: bring back Aaron Donald too, which I'm kind of doubting
Speaker 3: every day that he doesn't decide, I'm kind of doubting
Speaker 3: that that's actually gonna happen. So but adding Miles Garrett
Speaker 3: was so huge. This team is still really good. I
Speaker 3: think they were probably the best team in the NFL
Speaker 3: last year. They just got hurt at the wrong time.
Speaker 2: So.
Speaker 3: That I think that is how you seem more for
Speaker 3: Blake Korm. But I kind of agree with you, and
Speaker 3: they like, look, Koram is still involved, how much more
Speaker 3: can he get involved? So maybe a little more at
Speaker 3: the end of the game. But still it is the
Speaker 3: NFL and most games are close, so I don't think
Speaker 3: there's going to be much more meat on the bone
Speaker 3: for Korn. But there will be a point in time.
Speaker 3: Maybe it's this year where Koram is just better than
Speaker 3: Kyrin right, it's going to be the age flip. Maybe
Speaker 3: that happens this year. I'm counting on it to happen
Speaker 3: for Henderson over Stevenson. I'm just not counting on it
Speaker 3: for Korn versus Kyron. I think that's the difference between
Speaker 3: those two situations.
Speaker 2: Thirty seven through forty eight. Dobbins comes in at thirty seven.
Speaker 2: I'm a little bit higher. You're not that much lower.
Speaker 2: I mean ECR is thirty four thirty two, so we're
Speaker 2: actually both lower than consensus. You more dramatically, Jonathan Brooks
Speaker 2: is thirty eight. That's the big difference. I have him
Speaker 2: at thirty two, Bogman Hashim at forty two, so we're
Speaker 2: definitely on opposite ends there. Kenny Ganewill comes in at
Speaker 2: thirty nine, Jacorey Krossky Merritt is forty and that's a
Speaker 2: weird one because we're both higher, so it must just
Speaker 2: be now other numbers, like we're both higher on than ECR.
Speaker 2: But he came in at forty four US probably because
Speaker 2: of other guys jumping Tyler Alzire at forty one, Tyron
Speaker 2: Tracy at forty two, Jordan Mason, Zach Sharbone, Chris Rodriguez,
Speaker 2: Jonah Coleman, Woody Marks, and Isaiah Piciceco. That is thirty
Speaker 2: seven through forty eight. That's a representation of your RB
Speaker 2: four in a twelve teen league bench running backs in here.
Speaker 2: I would say if if you look at it from
Speaker 2: that lens, like Jonathan Brooks is like the best RB
Speaker 2: four you could put together, if you're thinking about upside,
Speaker 2: I would also say I don't hate I actually really
Speaker 2: like Jakuri Krasky Merit, and I don't hate Chris Rodriguez
Speaker 2: to be honest with you with what we talked about before, Like,
Speaker 2: I feel like those are kind of my big placeholders.
Speaker 2: If you were to strictly tell me, you gotta have
Speaker 2: an RB four what group? And Jake JK. Dobbins is
Speaker 2: my guy as well, So Dobbins, Brooks, Merit, and Chris Rodriguez.
Speaker 2: I think that's kind of a fun rbfore group. We
Speaker 2: don't have insane differences. Again, Jonathan Brooks is our biggest difference.
Speaker 2: We don't need to talk about him. Who's a guy
Speaker 2: or two that you want to touch on in this area?
Speaker 3: I mean, I think Jonah Coleman can take this job
Speaker 3: in Denver. I think he can be the best running
Speaker 3: back for this team. Is he ad as athletically gifted
Speaker 3: as R. J.
Speaker 2: Harvey?
Speaker 3: Probably not, But he's really He's a really good and
Speaker 3: experienced pass blocker. He's great at catching the ball out
Speaker 3: of the back. He has incredible balance, which makes him
Speaker 3: really hard to tackle. He is slippery, right, and he's
Speaker 3: a smaller back, so I think people get weired out
Speaker 3: by that. But and he doesn't have incredible numbers, but
Speaker 3: he had incredible production at Washington, So I'm pretty excited
Speaker 3: to see what he has, because that would be a
Speaker 3: really good offense to be the lead back in. I
Speaker 3: don't know if we get a lead back this season
Speaker 3: out of that group like we just talked about, but
Speaker 3: I do like taking Jon of Coleman as a flyer,
Speaker 3: and he typically goes lower than this as ECR is
Speaker 3: fifty four. I have him at forty four and you
Speaker 3: have him at fifty one, so I know I can
Speaker 3: get him even beyond this group most of the time.
Speaker 2: One I want to hit you on real quick, okay, please?
Speaker 2: The player with the highest single project was actually they
Speaker 2: have a shared projection. JK. Dobbins is one of them.
Speaker 2: Fantasy Pros has the highest projection, But I want to
Speaker 2: talk about the other guy. The highest projected rank of
Speaker 2: anybody in our thirty seven through forty eight is Kenny
Speaker 2: Gainwell from Fantasy Points. Two is the projection that pops
Speaker 2: out for him? What my own?
Speaker 3: No, there's one more though. Jordan Mason also has a
Speaker 3: thirty two from PFF, which is surprising because Fantasy Points
Speaker 3: has him at fifty six and FP has him at
Speaker 3: forty one.
Speaker 2: Uh oh, I was about to say, where's Jordan Mason.
Speaker 2: He's not on that. Yeah, you're right. I didn't see that,
Speaker 2: so you know, it's funny. The thirty two is in
Speaker 2: each of these Fantasy pros. Number thirty two projected running
Speaker 2: back is JK. Dobbins, who we have at thirty seven.
Speaker 2: Kenny gain Well is Fantasy Points number thirty two running back,
Speaker 2: and PFF has Jordan Mason is their thirty two running back.
Speaker 2: That's interesting, So I just want to get your take.
Speaker 2: You can do it. I mean, you're not a Jordan
Speaker 2: Mason guy. You've been pretty prevalent about that. We've had
Speaker 2: some funny same Fantasy Pro tweets that are just like,
Speaker 2: Jordan Mason does one thing, but that thing is pretty good.
Speaker 2: It's just, you know, pound the rock up, you know,
Speaker 2: up the gut, just get him up on the sides
Speaker 2: and stuff. Aaron Jones gets the guy be the guy
Speaker 2: that is going to take it to the outside and
Speaker 2: gets to stretch the ball out a little bit, but
Speaker 2: he's kind of old and frail. Mason's in a weird,
Speaker 2: interesting situation. But what about Kenny Gainwell, because that's the
Speaker 2: one that gets really tricky. I'm a big Bucky guy.
Speaker 2: Pat's a huge Bucky guy. But you know, can Kenny
Speaker 2: Gainwell make an improvement as a running back or is
Speaker 2: it strictly going to be in the passing game? And
Speaker 2: thirty two on Fantasy points is pretty big. The projected
Speaker 2: line roughly looks like around six hundred yards. Really only
Speaker 2: three hundred more receiving yards, so I guess that total
Speaker 2: number gets you to around I don't know, nine hundred
Speaker 2: yards and like six to seven touchdowns. It's actually not
Speaker 2: really a big number. But thirty two, that's a top
Speaker 2: thirty two back. Do you buy it?
Speaker 3: The dude had seventy three catches last year, right, that
Speaker 3: was in Pittsburgh. They needed guys to catch the ball.
Speaker 3: But I think what we need to start seeing Gainwell
Speaker 3: as instead of like a true pure RB as a weapon,
Speaker 3: right because he can run out of the slot if
Speaker 3: they want him to. You can do dual back system,
Speaker 3: have him block or have him take the I think
Speaker 3: they gain Weell can do a little bit of everything,
Speaker 3: and he is the perfect insurance for the bucks for
Speaker 3: Bucky Irving because he offers a similar skill set, specifically
Speaker 3: in the passing game. So I think you know I'm
Speaker 3: a little higher than you are here. I'm right on ECR.
Speaker 3: I think it's a big question as to what is
Speaker 3: his role here right, Like, is Tucker gonna be the
Speaker 3: goal line guy? Are they gonna just leave Bucky in?
Speaker 2: I just think everybody's complimenting Bucky. I think the offense
Speaker 2: runs through Bucky. Think so Tucker might take some goal
Speaker 2: line carries occasionally, Gainwell might come in on some third downs,
Speaker 2: But just I think this offense runs through Bucky, and
Speaker 2: everybody else is a good compliment to be around Bucky.
Speaker 2: And maybe they don't want to overdo Bucky because the
Speaker 2: injuries to have him have twenty five touches and maybe
Speaker 2: that limits him to eighteen to twenty touches a game.
Speaker 2: But I just don't know how any of those guys
Speaker 2: at any point are scoring more points than Bucky Irving Gaulty.
Speaker 3: I will say this though, I think that you know,
Speaker 3: in terms of upside, it's the Broncos guys, Brooks and Gainwell.
Speaker 3: Just in terms of pure upside in this group, I
Speaker 3: think everybody else is kind of you're playing for floor, right,
Speaker 3: But I think those are the upside guys that you
Speaker 3: want to take a swing on if you're looking for upside,
Speaker 3: if you're not looking for floor here, which most people are.
Speaker 3: So I still think Gainwell proved himself last year. He
Speaker 3: offers more than probably even what the Bucks are looking for.
Speaker 3: Are they going to give it to him? I think
Speaker 3: is the big question. But I still I was very
Speaker 3: impressed with what I saw at Gainwell. After you know,
Speaker 3: being stuck behind Saquon, you're not getting carries behind Saquon.
Speaker 3: Nobody is right. So we didn't really know what we
Speaker 3: had in Gagwell, and now we know he's a much
Speaker 3: better asset than he was given for Philly. And I
Speaker 3: was surprised that Pittsburgh.
Speaker 2: Let him go. Yeah, your name, do you buy the
Speaker 2: Woody Marx is going to get fifty to fifty run
Speaker 2: with Dave Montgomery.
Speaker 3: Not even a little bit. I think if you were
Speaker 3: that confident in wood he marks, you would have not
Speaker 3: traded for David Montgomery and drafted by So I think
Speaker 3: that is a bunch of coach nonsense.
Speaker 2: Outside the top forty eight, so these are your fifth
Speaker 2: running backs, there's plenty of guys. I think one guy
Speaker 2: that is being pretty under ranked here is our il
Speaker 2: fifty and that's Alvin Kamara. I think Seally completely agrees
Speaker 2: on this, and he kind of pinpointed this you know,
Speaker 2: Kamara looks like he I think he might have even
Speaker 2: likened Kamara to like the situation with Kenny Gainwell, Like
Speaker 2: why is Kenny Gainwell being ranked into the thirties when
Speaker 2: a guy like Alvin Kamara looks like he's going to
Speaker 2: play a similar role. We know what he does in
Speaker 2: the passing game. Now. If he's hurt, he's hurt. But
Speaker 2: there's some interesting names here. You've got Kamara fifty four,
Speaker 2: so you maybe don't agree. I got him at forty seven.
Speaker 2: Emmitt Johnson seems like a good dart throw excuse me.
Speaker 2: In the fifties. Keaton Mitchell is kind of a popular
Speaker 2: one as well. We got a couple other guys in here,
Speaker 2: but talk about Kamara and then are there any other
Speaker 2: deeper running backs that you're into.
Speaker 3: I think Kamara is a tough case because we thought
Speaker 3: I thought so, I won't use the royal wee, but
Speaker 3: I thought that this whole time. Yeah, Kamara is probably
Speaker 3: just gonna be a cut And then he you know,
Speaker 3: restructured his contract and decided he wanted to stay in
Speaker 3: New Orleans. I didn't think that was ever gonna happen.
Speaker 3: I I thought he was gonna get cut. I was
Speaker 3: hoping he can go to somewhere with you know, a
Speaker 3: week running back situation and maybe be a bigger chunk
Speaker 3: of the offense. But I don't know, man, this offense
Speaker 3: is changing a lot, right, So you brought Travis etchin
Speaker 3: in here, you added Jordan Tyson. I think that that's
Speaker 3: a lot of touches that go away from everybody else
Speaker 3: from last year. And I think Kamara is in RB
Speaker 3: two at this point on his own team, which to
Speaker 3: me pushes him down below that RB three or four rings.
Speaker 3: So I'm I'm gonna stick him as an RB five
Speaker 3: and there's upside there, And maybe I'm wrong, right, We've been,
Speaker 3: we've been. There have been times where we've thought the
Speaker 3: old guys were dead and they've come back to life
Speaker 3: with with you know, a couple of nice zombie years there.
Speaker 3: So maybe that's in the cards for Alvin Kamara this year.
Speaker 3: I just don't really see it any other backs.
Speaker 2: In this late range that you're into. I know you're
Speaker 2: kind of an Emma Johnson guy. You come at fifty one.
Speaker 2: Taje Spears is actually the highest of any of these
Speaker 2: you have, So I mean those would kind of stand
Speaker 2: out but is there anybody else you're in the speculative
Speaker 2: market for.
Speaker 3: I mean, those two are really big for me. I
Speaker 3: The rest of this is garbage, man. I really don't
Speaker 3: like Uh, you know, if something happens to Judgenden, Sampson
Speaker 3: is the guy.
Speaker 2: But it's a lot of.
Speaker 3: Handcuffs after that. That's what Emmanuel Wilson is. James Connor
Speaker 3: might get cut before the season is over. Videll and
Speaker 3: Keaton Mitchell, I you know, that's just a weird situation.
Speaker 3: And they're behind Omari and Hampton, who we both are
Speaker 3: higher on, Yeah than ECRs.
Speaker 2: I'm betting on Keaton Mitchell over Videll. You are Videll
Speaker 2: over Keaton.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but really the answer is neither just to yeah
Speaker 3: the answers. You just take Hampton and don't worry about
Speaker 3: this because none are going to work out. I think
Speaker 3: beyond this second guys that I have ranked higher.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 3: Look, Isaiah Davis, I think is pushing Braylen Allen for
Speaker 3: that role right behind Breese Hall. They've said they're gonna
Speaker 3: use three You're not using three backs when you have
Speaker 3: bris Hall. That is a bunch of coach nonsense as well.
Speaker 2: I want to believe that, but I don't know.
Speaker 3: It's it's just it's never gonna happen. Breese Hall is
Speaker 3: way better than these guys, so and I like Isaiah
Speaker 3: Davis a lot. He's the guy I would take him
Speaker 3: over Braylan Allen. And then k Tron Allen I really
Speaker 3: like because I don't like a lot of what's going
Speaker 3: on in Washington right Rashad White is definitely your receiving back.
Speaker 3: What is Bill Crosskey married? Is he your lead back
Speaker 3: or not? Because if he's not your lead back, then
Speaker 3: it's gonna be a lot of shod White on passing downs.
Speaker 3: And I think k Tron Allen uh is a very
Speaker 3: good he has great vision. Is he's very patient runner,
Speaker 3: like I said, not athletically gifted as some of the
Speaker 3: other guys, even his own teammate Singleton, but he outpaced
Speaker 3: Singleton because he's a better back, so you know. And
Speaker 3: then my favorite handcuff is the rookie Mike Washington. But
Speaker 3: I'm not really excited about the rest of these backs.
Speaker 2: It does fall off.
Speaker 3: I j spears a little bit of excitement just because
Speaker 3: I don't believe in Singleton.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're just not in a world anymore where we
Speaker 2: play like big crazy handcuffs, you know, I did. I
Speaker 2: think there's some interesting debates in like the Seattle World
Speaker 2: two that are moving beyond Charbonnay of the Hallanis and
Speaker 2: Emmanuel Wilson's And as mentioned before, if Hampton were to
Speaker 2: go down, I think Keaton Mitchell becomes interesting. But we
Speaker 2: just don't play the handcuff world enough, Like the ones
Speaker 2: that you're really jumping into are like if you want
Speaker 2: to handcuff Jon you know, and you want to do
Speaker 2: Bryan Robinson, but still we don't play the handcuff. So
Speaker 2: let's take a look at forty eight to thirty seven.
Speaker 2: Give me two backs in that range that are your
Speaker 2: targets for I'm sorry where we're going. We're going to
Speaker 2: thirty seven, so this is that last you don't you
Speaker 2: don't want to live in this deep tier. So the
Speaker 2: ranked thirty seven through forty eight, the IL rank two
Speaker 2: backs that you are targeting.
Speaker 3: Coleman, Uh, definitely, I'm taking him at the end everywhere.
Speaker 3: And I'll say Gainwell. I think Gainwell provides more than expected.
Speaker 2: Unfortunately, as boring as it is, thirty seven to thirty
Speaker 2: eight or Mine Dobbins and Brooks. If I had to
Speaker 2: pick another proba Chris Rodriguez, I think Chris Rodriguez is
Speaker 2: a good value ECR forty six. I can get him
Speaker 2: at I have him, or actually it's forty three. I
Speaker 2: have him at forty three. You're just a lot lower
Speaker 2: on him. So but Dobbins and Brooks will be my names.
Speaker 3: I want to mention one other guy before we wrap
Speaker 3: it up here, Demon Claiborne at fifty eight I have
Speaker 3: and this is this is what you know. You mentioned
Speaker 3: about Jordan Mason being a one trick pony and Aaron
Speaker 3: Jones being old, those are both true. So Demon Claiborne
Speaker 3: is like a dart throw with your very last pick.
Speaker 3: I think if Kyler opens up this offense, they had
Speaker 3: more eight man boxes than they have ever had under
Speaker 3: Kevin O'Connell because they had such terrible quarterback play. They
Speaker 3: had to run the ball more, which led to injuries.
Speaker 3: Let Jordan Mason be ineffective all this stuff. Mason may
Speaker 3: open this up like he may be the guy, the
Speaker 3: main guy to score touchdowns. But I think Claiborne fits
Speaker 3: very well here, and that's why they drafted him. So
Speaker 3: Claiborne is my last round flyer. If you need a
Speaker 3: running back at the very.
Speaker 2: End, okay, and then going to thirty six to twenty five,
Speaker 2: this is like the you know RB three flex type
Speaker 2: of guy. Two names that are your targets.
Speaker 3: Uh well, Jenarian Price for sure is definitely my guy.
Speaker 3: And then I would probably say, you know, I get
Speaker 3: the light leaning Jalen Warren, I'll say Jalen Warren.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go. I think Tony Pollard probably Pollard and
Speaker 2: as hate as it is Reminder Stevenson, I think Reminder
Speaker 2: is just a cheap guy that his ECR twenty nine.
Speaker 2: I think sometimes he falls further down. But Tony Pollard
Speaker 2: is really the other one. I gotta be honest with you.
Speaker 2: I don't like a lot of these names. This is
Speaker 2: not my range.
Speaker 3: Like I would like Price, though you got him in
Speaker 3: the same range as I just.
Speaker 2: Didn't want to say him Like Price and Tooton would
Speaker 2: be guys you already said Price. Those would be ones
Speaker 2: I target. I just don't know if I'm gonna get
Speaker 2: a lot of Price, but Tony Pollard is one I'm
Speaker 2: gonna like actively try to get. I'm a little bit higher.
Speaker 2: And those are the running running backs. Those are the
Speaker 2: our running backs. The I tail running, but the running
Speaker 2: running backs, that's.
Speaker 3: Who they are on These are the wide wide receivers.
Speaker 2: Yeah, quarterbacks, we couldn't really the quarter quarterbacks, the throwing quarterbacks.
Speaker 2: These are the guys that throw the ball, that's right.
Speaker 2: These are our running backs going fifty plus deep. You
Speaker 2: can check out the ranks over it in this league
Speaker 2: dot com. You can see where we've got them. You
Speaker 2: can also check Bogwin's got his different tiers. If you're
Speaker 2: looking at like IDP or your dynasty I mean dynasty
Speaker 2: conversations open this way up. But that kind of gives
Speaker 2: you a perspective. Is in the last episode, we also
Speaker 2: gave you some of our targets and what do our
Speaker 2: running back rooms end up looking like. We end up
Speaker 2: putting those down in some of the mock drafts, and
Speaker 2: that's what we will do. You'll see what some of
Speaker 2: those rooms look like. So if you want to be
Speaker 2: a part of mock drafts, you want to check out
Speaker 2: the ranks in this league dot com sports boys in
Speaker 2: this league dot com Wide receivers coming up next week
Speaker 2: and bogmin I got to get together, but we got
Speaker 2: to probably maybe even get a bonus episode. We got
Speaker 2: to get a mock draft in there, so we can't
Speaker 2: go too long without mock draft, so we'll see how
Speaker 2: that ends up working up. But wide receivers in the
Speaker 2: same kind of realm of what we did here high
Speaker 2: end wide receivers to start, and then it'll be kind
Speaker 2: of your back end probably like I don't know if
Speaker 2: we'll get wide receiver threes in the first episode, but
Speaker 2: it might be wide receiver ones and twos, and then
Speaker 2: this will be like three fours fives in the second episode,
Speaker 2: as we will full coverage there, looking at some of
Speaker 2: the fantasy projections, some of the rank projections, and then
Speaker 2: what itl ends up putting together. That's going to do it.
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