Speaker 1: Welcome back. We uh, we need to take a breath
before we start today, because what we are about to
walk through is well, it's suffocating, it really is. It's dense. Yeah,
and frankly, it's the kind of story that just changes
how you look at the world.
Speaker 2: It's absolutely one of those moments where the curtain gets
pulled back and you know, instead of seeing the Wizard
of Oz, you see this rusted grinding machine that's been
just chewing people up.
Speaker 1: For decades exactly. We are talking, of course, about the
massive data dump that just happened, the twenty twenty sixth
Department of Justice release of the Epstein files, a huge
rulesse and I want to be clear right up front,
Welcome to thrilling threads. Yeah, we aren't calling this a
deep dive in the traditional sense because well, that implies
we're just looking at one topic. This is not one topic.
This is a spider web.
Speaker 2: That's the perfect visual for it. It is a web.
You pull on one string, say a name you recognize
from the news, and suddenly you realize it's tethered to
the White House. You pull another and it's all noted
up with the Vatican. You pull a third and suddenly
the entire British monarchy starts to shake.
Speaker 1: It's all connected, and that is our mission today. We
aren't just going to rattle off a list of names
like some tabloid.
Speaker 2: Anyone can do that, Yeah, that's the easy way out.
Speaker 1: We're going to pull on the loose ends of this
document dump and we're talking millions of pages here and
see what unravels. And I have to warn you the listener,
the vibe today is going to be heavy.
Speaker 2: It is.
Speaker 1: We're going to see things that are shocking, things that
are incredibly complex, and honestly, some things that are just absurd.
Speaker 2: Absurd, is right. I mean, there are moments in these
files that read like a bad airport thriller. You've got
international spy plots, secret codes about leather outfits, geopolitical maneuvering.
But and this is so crucial, we can never lose
sight of the fact that underneath all that absurdity there
is a very real, very dark, human cost.
Speaker 1: Right There are victims at the very center of this,
real people who've been waiting for this release for years,
just hoping for some kind of closure, and as we're
about to see, getting something very very different. So let's
lay up the map. What are the main threads we're
pulling on today?
Speaker 2: We have a lot. We're going to start with the
absolute clash between the US Attorney General and survivors, which
happened right on the floor of Congress. Okay, then we're
looking at these high ranking officials, I mean, people who
are currently running the US economy, who have been caught
in these massive lies, these flip flops about when they
actually cut ties with Epstein.
Speaker 1: And we've got that thread that honestly sounds fake, but
it's not involving Steve Bannon trying to use Epstein to
take down the Pope.
Speaker 2: I still can't get over that one. And then there's
the Hollywood fallout which is now threatening the twenty twenty
eight Olympic.
Speaker 1: And in a really weird twist, we have the one
major podcaster who actually just used common sense and said, no,
it's a lot to get through.
Speaker 2: It is a lot.
Speaker 1: So let's start with the event that really kicked this
all off, the hearing February eleventh, twenty twenty six, the
House Judiciary Committee.
Speaker 2: This was the moment, you know, the rubberm at the road.
You have US Attorney General Pam BONDI sitting in the
hot seat, and usually these oversight hearings are let's be honest,
they're procedural, they're boring. It's all about budgets and statutes. Yeah,
this was a brawl.
Speaker 1: It was and it wasn't just a brawl between politicians.
It felt like a brawl between the you know, the
theatrics of Washington and the actual reality of the victims.
Let's set the scene a little. Okay, Yeah, the DOJ
releasing these files. But the controversy isn't just that they
released them, it's how they released them.
Speaker 2: Correct. The core issue here, and this is what Representative
Jamie Raskin was just hammering on, is the redaction process.
Speaker 1: The black ink.
Speaker 2: The black ink. The DJ used a very very heavy
hand to black out the names of uncharged co conspirators
to quote protect their privacy and reputations.
Speaker 1: Okay, I can sort of see the legal argument there.
Speaker 2: Maybe maybe, but in a twist that is just it's
baffled every legal expert I've read. They failed to properly
redact the identifying details of some of the victims.
Speaker 1: Wait, what so they protected the powerful people but exposing
the victims.
Speaker 2: That's exactly what happened.
Speaker 1: Which is completely backward right. The entire point of the
system is supposed to be to protect the vulnerable and
expose the powerful. Here we're seeing the powerful being shielded
by black ink, while the victims are essentially getting docksed
by their own government exactly.
Speaker 2: And that's the question Raskin was pressing Bondie on. He
was asking, essentially, what is the logic here, Why is
the reputation of a billionaire more valuable than the privacy
and safety of a survivor?
Speaker 1: And how did Attorney General Bondi handle that pressure Because
looking at the transcript, she didn't exactly take the high road.
Speaker 2: No, she called it getting in the gutter. That was
her phrase. She refused to engage with the premise of
the question.
Speaker 1: At all, so she just dodged it.
Speaker 2: Dodged it, and then attacked Raskin personally. She called him
a washed up loser lawyer in a congressional hearing on
the record for everyone to hear.
Speaker 1: I mean, we've seen standard slip over the years, but
that feels like a new love. Oh, It's like c
Span suddenly turned into a really bad reality show fight
Sea Snap. As the internet is calling it. Yeah, But
here is why that matters so much. It's a distraction,
isn't it.
Speaker 2: It's a classic deflection tactic. It's page one of the playbook.
If you're talking about the insult, you aren't talking about
the policy. By calling him a name, she ensured the
headline the next day would be Bondi Slam's raskin not
DOJ failed to protect victim's identities. It just sucks all
the oxygen out of the room.
Speaker 1: But there were people in that room who didn't let
the oxygen get sucked out. The survivors were there.
Speaker 2: They were and this, for me, this was the most
devastating moment of the entire week. Amidst all this political
shouting and the name calling, the survivors who were present
in the gallery were asked a question. Right They were
asked to raise their hands if they had been unable
to meet with the Department of Justice about their cases.
Speaker 1: Just to get a meeting, not to get justice, not
to get a settlement, just to be heard.
Speaker 2: The question was essentially, has the DOJ even listened to you?
And the visual description of this moment is just haunting.
The room goes completely quiet and one by one, hands
start going up. Oh many, every single one, every survivor
in that room raised their hand.
Speaker 1: That just stops you in your tracks. Yeah, you have
the Attorney General of the United States sitting ten feet
away arguing about her own reputation in political theater, while
the actual victims are signaling that the institution has completely
utterly ghosted them.
Speaker 2: It creates this massive, unbridgable disconnect. Bondi dismissed the questioning
as theatrics, but the real theatrics were coming from her
from the podium. The reality, the grim, ignored, silent reality,
was sitting right behind her with their hands in the air.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 2: It really highlights that for the Justice Department, this release
might just be a box checking exercise. You know, Okay,
we release the files, We're done. But for the people
in that room, it's an ongoing wound that the system
just refuses to treat.
Speaker 1: It's bureaucracy over humanity, clean and simple, and speaking of
people trying to hide behind bureaucracy and faulty timelines, let's
move to the next thread, because the political contradictions coming
out of the White House and the Cabinet right now
are just staggering.
Speaker 2: This is where we get into what I'm calling the
memory lapse files.
Speaker 1: Memory lapse is being very, very generous. We're talking about
straight up lies. Let's start with Howard Lutnik, the current
US Secretary of Commerce.
Speaker 2: Right, So, Lupnik is a massive figure. He's the guy
dealing with tariffs, trade wars, the entire US economy. He's
supposed to be a pillar of stability, right. A serious guy,
a very serious guy. And for years his story regarding
Epstein was ironclad. He had a line and he stuck
to it. He said, I was his neighbor in New York.
We knew each other. But in two thousand and five,
when the police first raided his house in Palm Beach,
I cut him off, done, never spoke to him again.
Speaker 1: Two thousand and five. That's the safe date, isn't it.
That's the date that allows you to say I knew
him before he was a convicted monster.
Speaker 2: Exactly. It's the Ie was fooled, just like everyone else defense.
It's clean. But these new files, they absolutely torched that timeline.
Speaker 1: What did he finally admit to.
Speaker 2: In a hearing on February tenth, twenty twenty six, So
just the day before that, Bondie hearing Lutnik was under oath,
and he admitted that he didn't stop seeing Epstein in
two thousand and five. He admitted to a meeting in
twenty eleven.
Speaker 1: Okay, so that's already a lie.
Speaker 2: It's already a lie. And then, most damningly, he admitted
to having lunch on Epstein's private island in December twenty twelve.
Speaker 1: Twenty twelve, let's just pause on that. That's seven years
after the first investigation. That is four full years after
Epstein actually went to jail and registered as a sex offender.
Speaker 2: Yes, Lutnik, the future Secretary of Commerce went to the
private island of a registered sex offender for lunch. And
he wasn't alone.
Speaker 1: This is the part that really creeps me out. He
didn't just go for some secret business meeting in a
dark room. He brought his family.
Speaker 2: He brought his family, and he was there with another
couple who also brought their children.
Speaker 1: I just pause on that for a second. The future
Secretary of Commerce, you know this man is a predator,
you know he has been convicted, you know he is
a registered sex offender, and you take your children to
his private island for a social lunch.
Speaker 2: What does that say.
Speaker 1: What does that say about the normalization of this behavior
or the calculation.
Speaker 2: It says that in these circles, the crime didn't matter,
the conviction didn't matter, Epstein was still useful, or he
was still socially viable. It completely destroys the I didn't
know defense. You don't take your kids to a monster's
lair unless you don't think he's a monster, or unless
you think you're so powerful that you're just untouchable.
Speaker 1: Or unless you think his power his connections are more
important than his documented crimes against children.
Speaker 2: Precisely, and Lutnik isn't the only one caught in this
everyone new web. We absolutely have to talk about the
former president Jahlan Trump. This thread is fascinating because it
comes from a really specific document. It's a twenty nineteen
FBI summary of an interview with a man named Michael Ryder.
Speaker 1: And who's he.
Speaker 2: The writer was the police chief of Palm Beach back
in two thousand and six, right when the first investigation
was really heating up.
Speaker 1: So this is an archival document that just got declassified and.
Speaker 2: Released right And according to Chief Raider's recollection to the FBI,
he got a phone call from Donald Trump. In July
of two thousand and six, Trump apparently called to congratulate
him or thank him for investigating Epstein.
Speaker 1: Okay, so on the surface, that sounds like Trump is
the good guy here. He's cheering on the police.
Speaker 2: It does, but you have to parse the language he
allegedly use. Writer claims. Trump said, and this is a quote.
Everyone has known. He's been doing this. And he called
Gislaine Maxwell evil.
Speaker 1: Everyone has known.
Speaker 2: That's the phrase that just sticks with you because.
Speaker 1: That completely contradicts the public narrative we've been fed for
twenty years. The narrative has always been we were shocked,
We had no idea, he was just a kirky financier.
But here is Donald Trump in two thousand and six
telling the police chief, yeah, we all knew.
Speaker 2: It implies it was an open secret. It wasn't a mystery,
just a feature of the Palm Beach social scene. And
there's another detail in that call that's really telling. Trump
allegedly told the chief that he personally walked out of
Epstein's club, or maybe kicked Extein out of his club.
The story shifts a bit because he saw a teenagers present.
Speaker 1: So his defense is I saw kids, So I left.
Speaker 2: Right now, we have to add the big caveat that.
The Djane notes, this is chief writer's recollection. There isn't
a tape of this call. It's one man's memory of
a phone conversation from almost twenty years ago.
Speaker 1: Sure it's uncorroborated, but it aligns perfectly with the Lutnik revelation,
doesn't It paints this picture of a world where knowing
wasn't a deal breaker, It was just a data point. Yes,
Trump knew, so he claims he stayed away, but he
didn't go to the press, he didn't warn anyone. Lutnik knew,
but he went back for lunch with his kids.
Speaker 2: That's the real tragedy here. Everyone knew is not a defense.
It's an indictment of an entire class of people. If
everyone knew, then why was this machinery allowed to keep
running until twenty nineteen? Why did it take another whole
decade for him to finally be stopped?
Speaker 1: Because he was useful, He was a utility. And that
brings us to the weirdest, darkest, most unexpected thread in
this whole tapestry. We have to talk about the geopolitical plot.
Speaker 2: The Steve Bannon thread. I'm still wrapping my head around
this one.
Speaker 1: I have to admit, when I first saw Steve Bannon
and the Pope in the same paragraph in our notes,
I thought it was a typo or he always loucination.
Speaker 2: It sounds like a game of mad libs, right, Steve
Bannon uses sex trafficker to fight the Pope. But it's real.
These are messages from twenty nineteen.
Speaker 1: Twenty nineteen, so this is right before the end for Epstein.
He's trying to cling to any power he has left.
Speaker 2: Yes, and Bannon isn't emailing Epstein to ask for money.
He's not asking for an introduction to a girl. He's
treating Epstein like he's an intelligence asset.
Speaker 1: Explain the goal here, What was Bannon actually trying to do.
Speaker 2: Bannon views Pope Francis as an enemy, a political enemy.
He sees the Pope as a geopolitical force that opposes
his brand of right wing nationalism. In his messages, he
calls the Pope ideological opposition. So Bannon hatched this plan
to undermine the Pope's authority.
Speaker 1: And the plan involved a book.
Speaker 2: Yes, a very specific book called in the closet of
the Vatican. It's a French expose that alleges massive hypocrisy
within the Catholic Church, specifically that a huge percentage of
the clergy are gay men living secret lives. Okay, Bannon
wanted to weaponize this book. He wanted to use the
information in it to basically start a civil war inside
the church and take down the pope.
Speaker 1: And he thought Jeffrey Epstein was the man to help
him do that.
Speaker 2: That's the terrifying part, isn't it? Why Epstein? Why go
to a disgraced, convicted financier for this? It suggests that
Bannon viewed Epstein not just as a creep, but as
a master of secrets. He must have thought, who knows
more about blackmail than Jeffrey Epstein? Who knows more about
hiding in plain sight? Who knows more about compromising powerful men?
Speaker 1: He viewed Epstein's entire criminal enterprise as a resume exactly.
Speaker 2: He saw the skills that Epstein used to traffic and
abuse women and thought, you know what, those are transferable
skills for geopolitical warfare. He wanted to use Epstein as
a utility player in a coup against the Vatican.
Speaker 1: It's just it's beyond belief. Did Epstein agree to this?
Did he respond?
Speaker 2: The file suggests he didn't respond directly to the specific pitch.
Speaker 1: It's unclear why, which is almost funny. I mean, was
it too crazy even for Jeffrey Epstein.
Speaker 2: Or maybe he was just a little too busy trying
to stay out of federal prison at that point. But
it fundamentally changes how we have to look at Epstein.
We can't just see him as a predator, as horrifying
as that is. We have to see him as a node,
a central point where intelligence, blackmail, finance, and raw power
all intersected.
Speaker 1: And Bannon saw that node and just tried to plug
right into it.
Speaker 2: He tried to harness it for his own ideological war.
Speaker 1: It's chilling. It elevates the whole scandal from a crime
story to this global conspiracy thriller. And speaking of global
brands and massive fallouts, let's pivot to a thread that
is hitting the culture right now. I'm talking about Hollywood.
Speaker 2: The Casey Wasserman thread. This is a big one.
Speaker 1: For those who don't know the name. Casey Wasserman is,
or I guess was, the king of Hollywood agents. He's
the grandson of the legendary Lou Wasserman. He ran a
massive talent agency and crucially he is the chairman of
the twenty twenty eight Los Angeles Olympics.
Speaker 2: A huge, huge figure. But these files have absolutely moved
his reputation. He's been forced to sell his talent agency,
and the reason is found in a series of emails
from way back in two thousand.
Speaker 1: And three, emails with Gislaine Maxwell.
Speaker 2: Yes, and these aren't vague emails about scheduling a lunch.
These are explicit. You have Wasserman writing to Maxwell about
tight leather outfits and then Maxwell replying offering massages that
can drive a man wild. It's sordid stuff.
Speaker 1: Okay, let's play the skeptic for a second, just to
be fair. Washerman's defense is this was two thousand and three.
I was a young guy. I was flirting. This was
long before I knew they were running a trafficking ring.
And besides, I also fl on Epstein's plan in two
thousand and two for humanitarian trip link to the Clinton Foundation.
Speaker 2: The humanitarian trip defense, it's a classic. We've heard it
a lot, but here is why that defense isn't working
for him this time. It's not about the law anymore.
It's about the market, and the market decided his defense was.
Speaker 1: Garbage because the clients walked.
Speaker 2: The clients fled, and look at who fled. This is
the important part of the story. We're talking about chapul Ron.
Speaker 1: Who is arguably the biggest pop star on the planet
right now.
Speaker 2: Exactly. We're talking about soccer legend Abby Wambach, the singer
Orville Peck Bethany Cosentino from the band Best Coast.
Speaker 1: So Chavlarone is a massive pop star. Orville Peck is
a queer country icon. Abby Wamback is a feminist hero.
These are not just random celebrities exactly.
Speaker 2: These are artists whose entire brands are built on authenticity,
on safety, on progressive values. They cannot be represented by
a man who was trading leather fetish emails with a
child sex trafficker. It destroys their brand. So they walked,
And because the talent walked, the agency collapsed. Wasserman had
no choice but to sell.
Speaker 1: But here is the massive contradiction that I just cannot
wrap my head around. He lost his private business. He
is toxic to chapal Roone and her entire audience. But
he is still running the Olympics.
Speaker 2: That is the tension we are living in right now.
The Olympics is a massive, slow moving corporate bureaucracy. It's
sponsored by Visa, Coca Cola Delta. They don't move as
fast as a pop stars management team. But think about
the position this puts them in.
Speaker 1: Right, If you're the CEO of Visa, do you want
Casey Wasserman standing on the podium next to the gold
medalist in gymnastics in twenty twenty eight?
Speaker 2: Do you want the public face of your massive global
event to be a guy who has tight leather emails
and the public record for every journalist to see. It's
a ticking time bomb.
Speaker 1: It really shows the selective nature of cancel culture, doesn't it. Yeah,
you can lose your clients and your agency instantly, but
that institutional old guard power that grips on much tighter.
It's harder to dislodge.
Speaker 2: I think we are going to see more movement on
that though. I just don't see how he survives this
until twenty twenty eight. No way, The pressure will continue
to build, The sponsors will quietly make a phone call,
and one day he'll announce he stepping down for personal reasons.
That's how these things usually go.
Speaker 1: Personal reasons, the great euphemism for we finally got caught
exactly now. If the Olympics are global, this next thread
is literally the infrastructure of the globe itself. We are
going to the Middle East and we are going deep
into the shipping industry.
Speaker 2: The Sultan of Dubai thread, Sultan Ahmed Binsulayem. This is
a name most people won't know, but he's incredibly powerful.
Speaker 1: This guy was the chairman and CEO of DP World.
If you aren't a logistics nerd, tell us why DEP
World matters so much.
Speaker 2: Depworld runs the ports. They run the massive container terminals
where all the ships land. They control the flow of
goods for a huge chunk of the planet. If you
control the ports, you control the global economy.
Speaker 1: And Epstein he knew this guy knew him.
Speaker 2: Epstein claimed in emails that he was basically in charge
of the port.
Speaker 1: Wait. Jeff f're Epstein, a finance here from New York,
claimed he was in charge of DP World's global ports.
Speaker 2: That's what he told people, and the emails back up
a very very close relationship. They show a connection going
back to at least two thousand and seven, the Sultan
was described in Epstein's own notes as one of his
most trusted friends. Ooh, and in another email, Epstein wrote
that the Sultan was the only person he had ever
met who was as crazy as me.
Speaker 1: As crazy as me. That is absolutely terrifying. When Jeffrey
Epstein calls you crazy, that is not a compliment. That's
a five alarm diagnosis.
Speaker 2: It is and it gets so much darker. In a
two thousand and nine email that was released, Epstein wrote
to the Sultan and said he loved the torture video.
Speaker 1: Love the torture video. Do we know what video that is?
Speaker 2: We don't. The files don't elaborate. It could be anything
from a movie clip to something far, far worse. We
just don't know. But just let those words sink in.
You have the man running the world's ports and the
world's most notorious traffickers bonding over a torture video.
Speaker 1: It makes you question the security the entire global supply chain.
If Epstein had hooks that deep into the Sultan, what
could he ask for? Could he move things through ports
without inspection? Could he move people?
Speaker 2: That's the terrifying implication. It moves the conversation from sexual abuse,
which is horrific enough to a full blown national security nightmare.
If Epstein had leverage over the chairman of DP world,
he had a secret backdoor into global trade.
Speaker 1: It's just staggering. And he didn't just have back doors
into trade. It seems he had backdoors into the British monarchy.
We have to talk about Prince.
Speaker 2: Andrew again, the royal thread.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 2: Look, we've known Andrew was involved for years. The photo
of him with Virginia Gruffrey is iconic in the worst
possible way. But these new files at a completely new
and frankly treasonist demension.
Speaker 1: It's not just about the partying anymore, is it. It's
about state secrets.
Speaker 2: The timeline here is absolutely critical. It's November thirty, twenty ten.
Prince Andrew is serving as the UK's Special Representative for
International Trade and Investment. He's a trade envoy.
Speaker 1: So he's in a f official government role. He has
security clearance.
Speaker 2: Yes, he receives official government reports on his trade visits
to Vietnam, Singapore and China. These documents contain sensitive economic
data UK trade strategies, potentially confidential discussions he had with
foreign leaders. This is classified information?
Speaker 1: And what does he do with these state secrets?
Speaker 2: The email timestamps show that literally five minutes after receiving them,
five minutes, he forwards the entire email chain to Jeffrey Epstone.
Speaker 1: Why why on Earth does Jeffrey Epstein, a disgraced American financier,
need top level UK trade secrets regarding China.
Speaker 2: That is the billion dollar question that King Charles and
Prince William are probably screaming at the palace walls right now.
Was Epstein acting at some kind of shadow advisor? Was
Andrew asking for financial advice or and this is the
really scary part, was Andrew paying a debt? Was he
feeding Epstein information that Epstein could then monetize or trade?
Speaker 1: Information is currency in that world. If Epstein knows what
the u UK is planning in China before the market does,
he can make millions, or he can trade that information
to another government, to another corporation.
Speaker 2: Exactly. It's just Andrew wasn't just a friend who partied
with him. He was a source. He was an asset.
He was a leaking faucet of state secrets flowing directly
into Jeffrey Epstein's hard drive.
Speaker 1: And what has the royal family's reaction been to this
new revelation.
Speaker 2: It's been panicmassed as dignity. King Charles put out a
statement saying he'd support any and all police inquiries, which
is huge. That's him basically saying I'm not protecting him anymore.
The shield is.
Speaker 1: Down right, He's on his own.
Speaker 2: And William and Kate issued a very careful statement that
focused entirely on the victims. They are distancing themselves from
Andrew at light speed.
Speaker 1: They know the ship is sinking and they are cutting
the anchor.
Speaker 2: Andrew is the anchor. There's no doubt about it.
Speaker 1: So we've been waiting through just absolute muck for the
last hour. We have lies from the Commerce secretary, we
have open secrets from a former president, we have bizarre
plots against the Pope, trade secrets being leaked by a prince.
It really feels like everyone is dirty, everyone is compromised.
Speaker 2: It does feel that way. It's an overwhelming feeling of corruption.
Speaker 1: But then we find one single thread that gives me
a tiny bit of hope, or at least it gave
me a laugh.
Speaker 2: The Joe Rogan thread.
Speaker 1: Yes, of all the people in his entire saga to
emerge as the voice of moral clarity. It's Joe Rogan.
Speaker 2: It's a great story and it's so simple. It's September
twenty seventeen. Epstein is still out there. He's out of jail.
He's trying to rehabilitate his image and get back into
the mainstream.
Speaker 1: Right the I'm a Scientist Now tour exactly.
Speaker 2: He emails Lawrence Kraus, a physicist who had been on
Rogan show, and Epstein has seen Kraus on the Joe.
Speaker 1: Rogan experience, and Epstein wants in.
Speaker 2: He wants in. He writes in the email that he
finds Rogan funny and asks Kraus for an introduction. He
wants a meeting.
Speaker 1: Just imagine that meeting for a second, Jeffrey Epstein and
Joe Rogan in the studio. It's the most bases our thought.
But what did Rogan do?
Speaker 2: He shut it down instantlymediately, Let me think about it immediately.
And Rogan's quote on this, when he was asked about
it later, is just perfect. He said, I was like,
are you high?
Speaker 1: Are you high? I can literally hear him saying it.
Speaker 2: He said he did what. Apparently the British monarchy and
the entire US cabinet couldn't figure out how to do.
Speaker 1: He googled him, He googled him, He.
Speaker 2: Googled Jeffrey Epstein, saw the conviction, saw the stories about
underage girls, and said, no way, it's not even a possibility.
Speaker 1: This is why I love this thread so much. It
completely destroys the oh he was complicated, excuse it destroys
the he was a powerful financier. You had to take
a meeting with him.
Speaker 2: Excuse demolishes it.
Speaker 1: Joe Rogan, a guy who talks about aliens and cage
fighting for a living, looked at the publicly available facts
and applied basic kindergarten level common sense.
Speaker 2: It proves that association was a choice. It wasn't gravity.
You didn't just fall into Epstein's orbit. You chose to
walk into it, and you walked into it because you
wanted something from him, money, access, power, something. Rogan didn't
need Epstein's money or his connections, so he saw him
for exactly what he was, a creepy criminal.
Speaker 1: It's a simple purity test that the world's elites failed miserably.
So let's try to wrap this up. We've pulled on
all these threads, We've looked at the machinery. What is
the big picture here? What does it all add up.
Speaker 2: To, the big picture is that this wasn't just a
sex ring. That's almost too simple. It was an alternative economy.
Speaker 1: Explain what you mean by that.
Speaker 2: Think about what we've just discussed. We have UK trade
secrets being used as currency. We have introductions to try
and take down the pope being plotted. We have access
to global shipping ports being leveraged. We have Olympic reputations
being made and broken. Epstein created a marketplace outside of
the normal one, and.
Speaker 1: The currency in that marketplace.
Speaker 2: The currency was blackmail. The currency was compromising photos. The
currency was those tight leather emails that could be held
over your head twenty years later. The currency was the
shared knowledge that everyone knows but nobody says anything out loud.
It was a market built on secrets and shame.
Speaker 1: And the victims they.
Speaker 2: Were the collateral damage. They were the raw material that
fueled this entire engine. That's why that moment in the
hearing was so powerful. When those women raise their hands,
they were trying to break the machine. They were standing
up and saying, we are not currency, we are not collateral.
We are people.
Speaker 1: It brings us right back to that Trump quote, doesn't
it Everyone has known.
Speaker 2: That's the haunting phrase of this whole story.
Speaker 1: Everyone knew, And that leads to the question we really
want to leave you with today. We live in an
age of information overload. We have the files now, we
have the documents. We know who lied, we know who
went to the island.
Speaker 2: We have the receipts. There's no more hiding.
Speaker 1: So do we as a society accept everyone knew as
an excuse? Do we accept it was a different time
from the people who are still running our economy in
our Olympics, or do we finally recognize that everyone knew
isn't an excuse at all. It's an admission of guilt.
Speaker 2: Because, as Joe Rogan improved with a simple Google search,
if you knew, you could have just said no exactly.
Speaker 1: Complicity is a choice. Silence is a choice, and right
now we all need to decide if we're going to
accept their excuses or if we're going to demand real,
meaningful accountability.
Speaker 2: The threads are all there now, we just have to
keep pulling on them.
Speaker 1: We want to know what you think. Is everyone new
a defense or is it a confession. Drop a comment
below let us know where you stand on this.
Speaker 2: And keep your eyes open for the next thread.
Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us on thrilling threads. We'll see you
next time.