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And again, thank you so much for your support. We've
been talking about, obviously the winter weather that is moving
through the region. I'm also seeing reports of just like
ridiculously long lines in western North Carolina to get propane
for people to heat their temporary dwellings and such and
their homes. I'm not really sure what's going on there,
but it's still pretty bad out there, and you've heard
a lot, I'm sure about I forty. You've seen the
I'm sure by now right months later, still not open
because of the rockslides and the landslides, or as the
engineers would call it, total slope failure that took out
I forty, and I came across a piece over at
the website business NC dot com Business North Carolina BUSINESSNC
dot com and it was written by Matthew Isisley. He's
a veteran North Carolina journalist. He's been in communications, he's
a communications manager. He's been a consultant for like fifteen years.
He's a native of Iredell County and a graduate of
UNC Chapel Hill, and he joins us now to talk
about this piece that he penned for BUSINESSNC dot com
called North Carolina should re route I forty into Tennessee. Matthew,
welcome to the show, sir, appreciate you making time Hillip Pete.
Speaker 3: I'm a faithful native. As you mentioned, I grew up
with in WBTM. Devided to be on your show.
Speaker 2: Oh well, even better, even better, Welcome home, Welcome home.
So first off, why write like what about I forty
and its history of problems inspired you to take a
look at this and even write something like this.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I've had long interest in transportation issues. I covered
them as a reporter years ago. I've been involved in
it as a consultant over the year since. I'm also
just a map nut, to be honest with Epee, and
I've covered natural disasters before and often after a terrible
one like what we've had with Hurricane Helen the federal
government and say, government will take a look and see
when we rebuild, can they rebuild things better? And it
doesn't happen often, but sometimes major changes are made because
eventually I realized this place is going to keep flooding,
this bridge is going to keep getting washed out, and
so you relocate when you need to. And I think
this is a case where we should at least study
the possibility of relocating I forty where it really should
have been built to begin with, which is not through
the very rugged, steep, inaccessible Pigeon River Gorge, but rather
to their French Broad River, where we already had a
US Highway twenty five. It's a much more natural route
to get from North Carolina into Tennessee.
Speaker 2: You called it in your piece a shattered monument to
hubrious and obstinacy.
Speaker 1: Why why did you define it like that?
Speaker 3: Yeah, Planning for the highway began in the late forties
and the fifties. It was debated for years which are
the two routes to take, but interestingly was never studied
very carefully, and reporting at the time made pretty clear
that the decision was more political than an inhering driven decision.
At the time, Haywood County, through which part of this
highway passes, didn't have much highway access. They need economic
development and they desperately wanted I forty. They wound up
getting it. Since then, they've had a lot of growth.
Another highway, the Great Smooking Mountin Expressway, is in place
to the southwest through Haywood. So the decision probably was
not made as well as it could have been at
the time. And it's not easy that roads. But my
argument is we should have not built it there in
the first place. We're gonna have to keep rebuilding it,
and this happens every few years. Peep, Yeah, rockslide closes
the highway. So or we're gonna keep throwing good money
after bad, or we're just going to bite the bullet
and put it where we should have built it in
the first place. And I mentioned humors because when the
highway opened Pete in nineteen sixty eight, same year I
appeared the governor at the time, it took ten years
to build this roads in the mountains, and the governor said, poorly.
The genius of modern man has shown itself to be
superior to the adversities of nature. Four months later, the
first rock slide closed the highway and it's been happening
ever since. So I think nature has been laughing at
us for sixty years, right, So.
Speaker 2: We tempted it, and it showed us who's actually in charge.
Speaker 1: And that's true.
Speaker 2: I worked in Nashville for about eight years and it
was a regular occurrence. Regularly we would have to in
the traffic updates, we would have to say, yeah, you're
gonna have to go through this alternate route all the
way around whatever this portion because some rocks came tumbling down. Now,
they did put up the netting, right, they try to
catch all the rocks, so they don't, you know, squash
cars on the highway and such. But it doesn't seem
like a long term fix. It like it looks more
and more just like they're putting band aids on a problem.
And to your point here, it probably never should have
been built there in the first place. But I could
understand why if, like you, you know, if it's an
economic development gateway basically, right, it's a way to get
to get stuff into a county that's that's cut off.
I understand why that decision gets made. Right, People act
kind of rationally like that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and my piece doesn't ridly kill the decision. We
know as much then as we do now about geology.
And my pop ed quotes an engineer retires to highway
engineer who after yet another long closure in two thousand
and nine, said, you know, if we had known then
what we know now, we never would have tried to
old this highway there. Would put it somewhere else. And
I think that better place is probably somewhere on the
French broad US twenty five corridor.
Speaker 2: Right Well, yeah, I thought, and you made a reference here,
and that was a shocking thing to hear this retired
engineer say that it wouldn't be built there nowadays, which
is It's one of the things, like I understand, and
I'm not critical of people when they make decisions with
the best information they've.
Speaker 1: Got available at that time.
Speaker 2: I don't hold them to a modern standard if you've
got greater abilities now, right So, because it doesn't there's
no value in doing that, but there is a value
in identifying that, like that information is now outdated, there's
a better way to do this, that we should look
to do it this way now. And you mentioned in
one of your comments here, every choice is a tradeoff,
and I was reminded of the Thomas soul line, right,
there are no solutions, only trade offs. So there are
going to be tradeoffs here. So what would those be
if they were too, if they were too seriously look
at and then maybe even do this realignment? What would
those trade offs be for this other location along the
French broad As you.
Speaker 3: Say, yeah, and there certainly our trade offs, and as
my piece noted, it would take a lot of time
and a lot of money to make this happen. But
I think that's all the more reason to get started
looking at it now. But there are always are trade offs.
And I've got some mixed reaction from locals. There's a
political analyst you might know in Charlotte, Andrew Donne, who
said he thinks this is exactly the kind of thing
the government should think about more often. Let's just not
keep doing the same thing the same way. The mayor
of Weaverville told me he thought it was a good argument.
He wondered whether local politics would once again prevent the
highway from being put in the right place or heard
from the tourism director in Hot Springs is concerned about
the potential impacts of noise and other things on that town.
So the tourism small town that thrives off tourism, and
I think that's a illegitimate, legitimate concern. You wouldn't want
to ruin the towns along the US twenty five route,
of course, I think. I assume I'm not an highway engineer,
but those who are could figure out how to bypass
around the towns. We do this all the time all
over the state, all over America. Should be able to
build an interstate that's around the town. Certainly doesn't plow
right through the town, but that arguably could improve increased tourism,
become development for them. But I think, taking a step back,
it's really important to keep in mind this is not
just a matter of annoyance for local drivers. This is
a major federal interstate highway route. Commerce depends on it,
National defense could depend on it one day, and in
all to work, we shouldn't have to face the closure
lasting months every few years.
Speaker 1: It's also super dangerous.
Speaker 3: Sure is, Yeah, Yeah, people have died their pet from
rock slides. It also gets quite foggy there. Frequently you
have these big pile up wrecks. At least two state
troopers have lost their lives simply having pulled someone over
for speeding through this dangerous, twisty route and getting a
run over by trucks. It's not a safe place to drive.
Speaker 2: Yeah, real quick, before we let you go, you mentioned
that the sunk cost fallacy and the status quo bias
to keep throwing good taxpayer money after bad indefinitely is
a prime example of the sunk cost fallacy and the
status quo bias.
Speaker 1: So what are those?
Speaker 3: So they're related, They're different, but related, and you know
we're all prone to them. The sunk cost out seas
I've already I've been put money, time, extra time into
this project, whatever it is, your home improvement, your car,
a highway, a war. Some people refer to as the
Vietnam syndrome. Since we silver invested so far in it,
we can't bail from it. But in the business world,
people know sometimes exactly what you should do if you're losing,
stop the losses, move on to another option and a
better choice. And the status quo bias is also something
we all probably share, which is, you know we're used
to it. Change is hard, inertia is hard to overcome,
and let's just don't worry about doing what's hard, even
though what's hard might be what is right and wise
in the long term.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: No, I remember getting calls when I was up in
Ashville from people who remembered some of these problems going
back decades, and they were like, it never should have
been built here. I think they say the same thing.
Also about two seventy seven or not two eighty five.
I think right, the bye or the one that goes
right through downtown Ashville. Always get the numbers confused with Charlotte's.
Speaker 3: But yeah, that's it. Yeah, these are hard decisions. Yeah,
not easy thing, but well I at least start thinking
about it and studying it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because two forty is such a mess.
Speaker 2: And they did that because they wanted people to get
off the interstate and go into downtown. And I guess
they figured if everyone's stuck in a traffic jam on
two forty, they'll.
Speaker 1: Want to get off the interstate.
Speaker 2: But it's like, that's not the point of a bypass, right,
It's not to send you through the downtown.
Speaker 1: But that was the thinking at the time.
Speaker 3: Again, Well, if you can look at what's the sale
and green, A lot of iays that were designed nineteen
fifties just don't work well for us anymore. We should
just accept that and do better as we rebuild.
Speaker 1: Yeah, now, it's great stuff.
Speaker 2: You can read the entire piece, which I recommend people
do at business NC dot com. Matthew Eisley is the
author of the off Ed. He's a former North Carolina
journalist and a comms manager and consultant. Appreciate your time, sir,
thanks so much, and enjoy the snow if you.
Speaker 1: Get it all right, you too, take care? All right?
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So the piece we just talked with the author of
the op ed at Business and See Matthew Eisley, and
the idea is to re route or at least look
at it, study it. We be re routing I forty
in the western part of the state right because if
you're going into Tennessee, I forty gets shut down. And
by the way, have you ever had to do the
detour around an I forty closure.
Speaker 1: It's awful. It's just awful.
Speaker 2: So and it's a major route, right because it goes
from the east coast all the way to the west coast,
so it's a major shipping trucking lane. I don't know,
like it it makes sense to me. I've talked about
this in various respects. One of them is, you know,
I remember talking years ago when Dan Forrest was the
lieutenant governor and one of the things he was doing,
because you know, the lieutenant governor in the state of
North Carolina is a very limited power position, and you
kind of make it. You kind of pick and choose
some issues that you want to highlight and you want
to try to address somehow, but you got to work
with the legislature and all that. But one of the
things he was looking at was sort of like a
it was like a precursor to doge right. But one
of them was can we find efficiencies in state government?
And one of the things that he had said at
the time was if we were building state government today,
it would look a lot different than it does now.
Just the buildings alone, right, I mean, just think of it.
Do you need all of the buildings, and do the
buildings today meet the needs of what the services and
operations are within them? Or is it just like this
constant retrofitting and retrofitting and trying to fill the space
and move programs and departments and all of this. Would
you build it differently today? Absolutely, well, then why not
look at rebuilding it in that better way? Another one,
another example telephone lines. Right, you have greater wireless penetration
or not wireless, sorry, it's it was greater satellite television
penetration in certain areas of quote unquote third world or
second World countries than in parts of America.
Speaker 1: Same thing happened with with cable lines.
Speaker 2: There are more, there's more cable runs done in other countries.
Cell Phone service is another example of it, where in
the UH they call it leapfrogging. In the technological space
they call it leapfrogging where a society that doesn't have
like a telephone line network that's built up like we
do in America, where they were running telephone poles and
lines all over the place, and other societies couldn't afford
to do all of that, so they just did without
telephones until the technology doesn't require all the poles, and
then they leapfrog over us and they have a much
more efficient system because it's all modern. They can now
afford this modern technology and they don't have all the
telephone polls everywhere anyway. It's just one example, So to
rethink I forty where it is currently located. Given all
the problems that that road has because of where they
built it, I think it should be looked at.
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from Mark light sleet in Indian Land. All right, everybody,
remain calm, Remain calm, all as well. However, I do
feel like, yeah, I feel like it's time. So all right,
I gotta be honest here. Due to the decade long
decay in newsrooms staffing levels across America, we no longer
have the once massive number of reporters to dispatch out
into various climactic catastrophes. So, after much thought and planning
and brainstorming over the course of about two minutes, I
came up with a solution. It is Operation Snowman on
the Street or snow person, if you will, Because when
you go out as a reporter, and you stick a
microphone in just some rando's face. We call that in
the biz a man on the street interview. I'm going
to go up to you and I'm going to ask
you a question about something, and You're going to say something,
probably pretty stupid, and I'm going to put it on
my newscast and it's going to fill the news hole.
And that's really the only point. Got to fill the newshole.
So that's how the man on the street. But now
they can't say. We would use the term MOS, and
then you would compile a whole bunch of these little
clips together. You'd have a montage of MOS. And so
you know, Pete Callner is out on the street talking
to people about what they think about the arena deal
for example, actual example, and I'm for it, I'm against it,
blah blah blah whatever, Okay, And it just fills up time.
That's the point, because it's not a scientific study, right,
it's not an official survey, so it doesn't actually do
anything except tell us that some people think some things.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 2: So they called it MOS, and then of course you
couldn't call it mos, so then they started calling it
person on the street. So then we started calling it
a pos but you really can't call it that because
that means something else. So I have decided, and I
I rolled this out a few years ago up in
the mountains when we got a pretty hefty snowstorm up
there at the time, and we created essentially the largest
news operation Western North Carolina had ever seen. So I
figure we can do the same here and I don't
have to pay you. That's the key, right, The goal,
as always is to build the biggest reporting core, or
if you're Barack Obama corpse, the biggest reporting core that
North Carolina has ever seen. Just during my show. Okay,
so this is where you come in, because obviously I
can't go out onto the street and do all of
the reporting. So I, through the powers vested in me
by nobody, would deputize you to be a reporter for
the operation that we are calling snow Man on the street. Okay,
all right, it's a razor right or left hand, it
doesn't matter, and just say I agree, okay, good, And
so now you're deputized. You now have all the requisite
training and authority to file a report of what you
are seeing to help us avoid getting flustrated by the weather.
To borrow a word from our dear, fearless and scandal
ridden sheriff. We don't want to get frustrated. So now
you're a deputy. You will now be a temporary unpaid
intern basically reporter with no credits for WBT. Now there
are some requirements you can call in with a report on,
like these are some ideas road conditions, snowfall.
Speaker 1: Total which let me look out the okay, which.
Speaker 2: Right now would be zero, So you don't need to
call in with a snowfall total. Okay, but maybe as
the snow proceeds, then you're gonna have some stuff to report.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 2: Have you seen some newsworthy snow related event? Maybe some
gnat sound? Everybody loves that sound in the biz. I'm
gonna tell you that sound like like a chainsaw, Like
if you can get a chainsaw going, like we're cutting
down some trees. You know what I'm talking about. You
always hear the chainsaw running in all of the gnat
sound pieces. After a hurricane or any kind of natural disaster,
you always hear the chainsaws, right, Or how about the
crunching underfoot of the snow something like that.
Speaker 1: That sound. Everybody loves news. Directors love that sound.
Speaker 2: Okay, so road conditions, whatever, whatever you want to talk about,
whatever the report is, I'm not trying to limit your creativity.
We just go where the news takes us. Right now,
there are some these are the requirements. Now require two things.
When I throw it to you, I'm gonna go out.
I'm gonna say, like, we're gonna go to you in
the field. Oh I Actually we need to know where
they're from, because I need to know where they're going
to be reporting from. We usually I usually don't care
where you're calling from. Like some people will be like
so and so in you know, Fort Mill or whatever,
but it doesn't ever really matter to me unless it's
something that is very specifically for like this, right, so,
tell us where you are. Tell Steve the colscreener where
you are, and then I will throw it to you.
I'm going to throw it to you, and I'm going
to ask you the first and the only, the most
important question that any reporter ever asks in any situation,
which is.
Speaker 1: What's the mood? What's the mood? What's the mood? That's
the question.
Speaker 2: So you're going to start your report answering that question
of what's the mood? All right, And here's the other requirement.
When you are done, you've got to say back to
you Pete.
Speaker 1: Otherwise I won't know when you're done. Okay, So you
say back to you, Pete. Now I may follow up
with a question or something.
Speaker 2: And if I do follow up with a question, it
is also imperative that you say, great question, Pte, Great question,
p Now. You can use whatever inflection you want, but
like that, you gotta say great question because a lot
of times that stuff is scripted, by the way, a
little peak behind the curtain there. Anyway, if I ask
a question'll be great question. But you got to say
back to you Pete.
Speaker 1: All right. So those are the two requirements.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna ask you what's the mood, and then you're
gonna lock it out after you give me your report,
then you're gonna say back to you, Pete.
Speaker 1: This is Operation Snowman on the Street.
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Man on the Street. We shall now go to our
first reporter live. It is Susan in Morganton. Susan, what's
the mood?
Speaker 4: Parting from the foothills of western North Carolina.
Speaker 6: Mortons in North Carolina.
Speaker 3: Heavy snow and breaking for twenty twenty five blizzard.
Speaker 1: Back to you, Pete, compelling and rich.
Speaker 2: Thank you, Susan. Next up and continuing coverage. The team
is out. This is in Union County. John has this report. John,
what can you tell us?
Speaker 1: What's the mood?
Speaker 5: Think? We're reporting a lot from you in Indian Trail
in the Union County. I got to tell you the mood.
At first, it seemed to be sheer panic among the people. However,
as we're moving through this storm, I think I sense
some cautious optimism that we're going to there. They're gonna
survive this, and they're going to rebuild and come out
of this stronger than before. Right now, approximately one frozen
participat drop of I would call it maybe sleep is
hitting my windshield about every thirty seconds, So obviously it's
about to really come down.
Speaker 2: Back to you, Pete, John, stay safe, sir, stay safe,
don't take any unnecessary chances. That's a truly inspiring story though,
of overcoming adversity.
Speaker 1: We appreciate it.
Speaker 2: John at live report from Union County as part of
Operation Snowman on the Street.
Speaker 1: Here next up Ray in Clover, Ray, what's the mood?
Speaker 5: Hello, This is a weather report from Ray the snowman
in Clover, South Carolina.
Speaker 6: Right now, there's like previous scholar, there's a drop every
once in a while, about thirty seconds on the windshield.
Speaker 1: Oh gosh, And that's all we got going on.
Speaker 3: And why it's this miter because you won't have to
put your snow tires or your chains on.
Speaker 2: That's that is some very valuable information. Ray, we appreciated.
Stay safe out there on the roads.
Speaker 1: Yes. Next up, we've got.
Speaker 2: This report from Bill oh in Fort Mill. Bill, what
can you tell us? What's the mood?
Speaker 5: Where's where's my producer?
Speaker 6: Where where?
Speaker 5: Just forget it? Forget it.
Speaker 3: We'll do it live.
Speaker 4: We'll do it live.
Speaker 1: Just forget it, all right?
Speaker 3: All right?
Speaker 1: Bill is?
Speaker 2: I don't know something's happening with Bill there in Fort Mill.
I'm not really sure if And I will just let
him work out that. It was a compelling and rich story.
We appreciate the live update. I do have some information.
The National Weather Service said Meckleberg County could see up
to one point five inches of snow in some areas today,
as well as the sleet and the freezing rain. The
AKA also known as the wintry mix or as I
call it Satan slush. Yeah, that would be Charlotte's first
measurable snow in three years, I believe. Al Conklin from
down the hall of WBTV Chief Meteorologist, he said, it's
been in one thousand and seventy seven days since the
last snowfall.
Speaker 1: And then he said, not like we're counting, but I
kind of feel like he was.
Speaker 2: Counting, because I don't know how you come up with
that number otherwise if you're not counting, right, Terry live
in Gastonia, Terry, what's the mood is.
Speaker 3: Coming to you?
Speaker 5: Live from First Methodist Church in Gastonia, North Carolina.
Speaker 4: There is no milk and bread at food line.
Speaker 6: Repeat, no milk and bread at food line.
Speaker 5: Outside of that, the mood is positive.
Speaker 3: Traffic is flowing, the blizzard is coming down. Live back
to you, Pete.
Speaker 2: Gosh, that's some good information. We appreciate it. Stay safe
out there, Terry. Compelling and rich.
Speaker 1: As they say. Jamie in Waxhaw, Jamie, what's the moody?
Speaker 6: Pet I got breaking news. There is still firewood at
the local lows h and there is I would say
twelve to fifteen flakes at least per mile as opposed
to Clover and Indian Trail.
Speaker 2: Jamie, are you talking about people or actual snowflakes?
Speaker 6: Snowflakes? Snow flakes, Pete? Sorry, sorry, bout. And to add
the three local police advocates are on the street tonight.
They're patrolling keeping the proud residents of Wlaxaw safe. And
the mood is reassuring. Is really the only way.
Speaker 5: To describe it?
Speaker 1: And what do you say to close out the to
close out the report?
Speaker 6: And this is Jamie reporting live from you on Highway
sixteen in the beautiful city of Blacksmith.
Speaker 1: All right, thank you, Jamie. I appreciate it.
Speaker 2: He's supposed to say back to up, but I'd like,
I don't know what if it's not on the teleprompter, man, Like,
I don't know what I'm supposed to do. That's a
good report, Jamie. Let's head over to Mike and Huntersville. Mike,
what's the mood?
Speaker 4: This is a breaking new story, Pete. I was just
out going to the local ABC store and I saw
a drop of water hit my windshield. I didn't know
what to do, but but I was able to pull over.
I made it to the store and they had eagle
rare so this is a compelling story, so back to you, Pete.
Speaker 1: That is compelling and rich.
Speaker 2: That's I feel like, I mean, such vivid detail there
in the way Mike told that story. Let's head up
to the University area. Donna, what's the mood?
Speaker 4: Donna, Hey, Pete, this is Donna from the University Area
in Charlotte. The mood is prepared.
Speaker 6: I just passed the PNC Amphitheater and it looks like
they're stage.
Speaker 5: In some line trucks that do not appear to be
Duke power ones.
Speaker 4: And the Walmart neighborhood.
Speaker 3: Walmart has no budgies.
Speaker 2: Back to you, Pete, thank you Joanna or Donna. Rather,
I appreciate that information. I appreciate that report. I feel
like we all learned something from that. All right, that'll
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