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back to the Pekingana Show. Thomas is here to do

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part two of our series on California. How are you

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doing Thomas.

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Speaker 2: I'm going well, re part to I'm gonna continue discussing

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the sociological factors they created California and some of the

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historical imperatives that shape its political culture. You know, they're

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in the final part. I'll get into some of the

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data I coded about, you know, post war electioneering and things,

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and why the claim that's alleged about it being you know,

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a permanent blue state is calf that's kind of what

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people are waiting for. But this is important and for

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for not just for context, but you know, if you'

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you really got to understand that California is an outside significance,

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not just because of the electoral votes that it holds.

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You know, John F. Kennedy. Kennedy's election was a really

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really big deal and it was far more significant than

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Leg Obama's election. I mean, Obama was like the equivalent

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of an industry plant. Anyway, it was a kind of

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a fake camp like gon't gonna be wrong, Like Obama

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actually did have a ground organization. And Obama is like

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a very cunning campaigner, unlike unlike Missus Harris and unlike

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unlike President Shithead. You know, he like he wasn't like

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a totally fake candidate in that regard, but him being

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just this kind of like random immigrant guy who was

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you know, being promoted within the kind of broader narrative

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of wokeism. Like it's really not that remarkable, like Kennedy,

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like this this Irish Catholic guy being president in ninety sixty.

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That was that was a really big deal. But it's

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also what's notable about that is that was like the

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last hurrah of like the East Coast establishment unless you

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count the Bushes, and I really don't, because the Bush

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family really made their fortune in Texas, you know, and

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they they they've got like East Coast roots, but they're

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they're not part of like the East Coast establishment, and

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that really was the center of the political universe and

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America until the seventies. Man. And then after that, you know,

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there was Johnson and I you know, Johnson went down

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in flames, and in arguably in sixty four he was

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uh running against like a lame duck in gold Water.

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But the fact that he was on the ticket at

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all was significant because he was this Southern guy, you know,

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and uh, post reconstruction, like the South, I mean, the

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South was never not significant in elect Purple College terms,

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but they've very much been but like marginalized. But then

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so subsequently, you get Nixon from California, you get Carter

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from the South, you get Reagan from California, you get

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Clinton from the South. You get Bush, who's you know,

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like a text like a Southwest guy for all practical purposes,

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you know, it's the governor of Texas. You know, you

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get Clinton to the southern guy. Like this, like the

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south Northwest became like the new like the center of

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the political universe. Okay, in California like started shooting ahead

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of New York, is not just the most populous state,

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you know, but also kind of like the center of

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high tech, like the terrestrial economy during World War Two,

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Like people don't understand that agree to which there was

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this like like savage hostility to capitalism. And that's onely

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the catipal that Roosevelt and in power. And it wasn't

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just it wasn't as New Dealer as you thought that way,

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like arguably other than the social engineering stuff, like Roosevelt

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basically appropriated Huey Long's platform, you know, and and and

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Long in the in the American context. Long, so we'd

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consider it like a radical right wing populist. I mean,

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like yeah, like he he was a socialist in terms

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of his like redistribute redistribution schemes and it's like a

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state tics sing. But but that's the way everybody thought

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in the nineteen thirties. So I go to getting it

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is like across the entire spectrum. Like basically, like would

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characterize everybody's politics was like a hatred of big business

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and a hatred of Wall Street. Like World War Two

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gonna change that, accidentally, because Roosevelt obviously he had to

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go all in with like making nice not just with

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Wall Street, but also with these guys who you know,

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were at the helm of these of these terrestrial like

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valuated manufacturing firms, you know, particularly these nascent like aircraft firms,

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you know, and people who are on the forest model

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to make you know, like war materials and these industries

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that could be converted you know to you know, to

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to wartech manufacturers and things. And this was this was

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centered in California, Okay, and subsequently, like California became kind

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of like the hyper capitalist like hub, you know. And

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I emphasize this not just because it's the key to

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understanding like California is important and why it's powerful and

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also why they kind of like after the Cold War

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and you know, and and and the subsequent like information

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revolution and the financialization of the economy, like the reason

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why California inherited that like high tech mantle like for

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the reasons I said, So that's a gain. Another reason

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why this idea that California is like this like rabidly socialist,

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uh political culture, Like that's cap like that that doesn't

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make any sense, you know, Like don't get me wrong.

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They're like the they're not just kidding about the you know,

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the taxation scheme, and and then they're killing your capital

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base like like outright you know, but that that always

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to like what I'm getting at is that that's not organic, Okay,

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Like it's not it's not something that came from the bottom.

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And it's not because the California voters like slip like

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slew the perial Golden goose because they just like rose

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up one day and they're like, yeah, we're not going

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to tolerate this anymore. Like we you know, we want

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we want this absurd tax rate and and we we

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we hate McDonald douglas and we hate Silicon Valley like

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like none of it, you know, like it. I mean

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that that's we'll get into more of this in part

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three because some of that it was two to like

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the the fibrication of the of you know, the managerial elite,

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like from the high tech and manufacturing sector, and that

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that was a huge thing. And like some of the

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people like Burnham didn't really foresee like Seawright Mills, he's

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probably a little he's probably a little like left wing

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for some people's taste. I think he was an important

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sociologist and in some ways I think can inside Burnham

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didn't but you know Burnham and Burnham wasn't incorrect in

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his that. But really from really until the end of

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the Cold War, although by the close of the eighties,

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like this was changing there there wasn't there was an

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integral aspect to the manager serial state. You know, the

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guys who in policy planning were else the guys who

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you know worked for big companies in advisory roles or

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CEO roles, you know, like Robert Manton Era was like

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the case in point. Okay, So there's this there's this

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kind of like rotation of eleads from like the public

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to the private sector, and like applied technology was king

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in terms of what had clout as well as what

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you know, could could kind of compete for subsidies and things,

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you know, and it was it wasn't just it wasn't

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just defense contractors either. I mean it was a general

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technolo we used to be called like general technology firms,

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you know, telecom obviously, but slowly with surely, you know,

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like political managers and private sector managers that came like

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started coming from different places, you know, and and increasingly

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like there was less of this kind of like incestuous

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like cross pollination, you know, and then by the nine

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it was kind of complete, you know, and that's not

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accidental either. Then suddenly like oh, California is no longer

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you know what it's been for one hundred and forty years,

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Like now it's you know, now now it's this like

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radically progressive you know, kind of kind of like socialist

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experiment that can never ever go republican again. Like that's

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like like of emphatizing this stuff to demonstrate why in

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kind of totality of circumstances terms like what's the alleged

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about it is not possible, but we're going to continue

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first a bet on, you know, in the same vein

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as in the first episode, and that people seem to

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respond well to that. So I don't think it's gonna

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bore them. But I mean it's important. I'm not just

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you know, this isn't just like a hobby of mine

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or something to drop, you know, factoid heavy narratives or something.

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It's it's essential to understanding kind of like my thesis.

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And we'll get into that part three. But anyway, I

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think we left up last time with talking about these

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guys like Winfield Scott and Zachary Taylor and Jefferson Davis

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and the Mexican War and how the Mexican War and

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President Polk who's an underrated president. You know that this

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was kind of like the day one experience of California,

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you know, and and and there were there was a

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profoundly like economic imperative behind California's capture. You know that

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that that wasn't the whole story, you know, like there

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was like like we talked about, I I've got nothing

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about love for the Confederacy. I've got anything about love

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for the South. And I mean they're they're like my people,

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you know, like ethnic and sectarian terms, but there was

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there was a very thirsty element among them who who

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believed in manifest destiny. Okay, like California was kind of

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the gateway to that, like literally, you know, because a

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lot of these guys they wanted to essentially replace the

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Spaniards and and it's suates themselves kind of as as

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this as this boss element over this formerly Spanish American

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slave empire. Like quite literally, that's not some sort of

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dystopian Mother Joanes kind of narrative or something like. That's true.

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Not passing real judgment on that that would have went

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a dysfunctional outcomes, but you know, not not for not

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for reasons of purely ethical nature or anything like that.

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But you know, even before the wars, when the states

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kicked off, it kind of became clear that that that

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wasn't going to be abided. And then you know, the

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California gold Rush, I think we got in. I think

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thats about where we left off. The California Golden Rush,

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you know, change everything and for all time. It meant that,

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you know, the federal government was going to be deeply

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insinuated into into California's fortunes and in terms of it's

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infrastructural development in terms of its political assimilation, you know,

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like it at it's so when to the gold rus

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California was like fast track for a lot of like

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nass and infrastructure. Okay, from like the eighteen fifties until

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like really until like the nineteen fifties and sixties. Okay,

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the uh there was this there's this giant logistics firm

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and this guy named John Butterfield. He got a federal

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contract to carry mail overland from Memphis and Saint Louis,

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you know, which was kind of the that's kind of

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like the westernmost frontier of truly developed America, you know,

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like the South and the like the Near South and

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the Midwest, like near near in Proxi terms where I am,

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and so like twice a week, these uh these stage

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coaches that run through Preston passed so Ayuma to the

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Pacific coast, and like he had paid so it would

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take twenty twenty five days, which was like rapid in

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those days. The Russell Major and Woodell Company, they were

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another like big logistics firm. Right before the Civil War.

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They they carried something they had a fleet of something

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like six thousand wagons and oxen like all told, they

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were they were all they were like a big rival

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to Pony Express also, but eventually, like they they kind

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of developed their own like niche and and they were

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moving more like freight rather like what we considered to

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be like freight, you know, rather than like like letters

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and telegrams and stuff like that. But you know this

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was this was like an her of you know, not

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just because you know, there wasn't like the kind of

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concentrated necessity you know, to serve like a discrete market

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like bit. But you know this this was being like

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rapidly subsidized. You know, like the like like Washington like

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had its sites in California as like a literal gold ninth,

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you know, after the at the discovery of these like

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massive gold reserves. Samuel Morse, yes, that Morris, you know

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they get the architect of Morse code. You know, he

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was like an early telecom uh like pioneer obviously you

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know the uh like wiring up uh like like why

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why are he got thirty thousand dollars appropriated for the

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Washington Baltimore like uh like telegraph line, which was like

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an incredible like fortune in those days, you know, and

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like the it was that line was first used. It

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transmitted cable like by it transmitted by cable between the

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wig and the and the Democratic Republican conventions and in

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the eighteen forties, which is kind of wild, that was

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like the first uh that that was like the first

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like news wire between and you know conventions. You know,

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so like people had both situated at both locales could

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could like be advised of what was happening. You know.

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like that that term like never thought of favor for

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whatever reason, you know. And so the so the uh

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Morris died in the early eighteen seventies and memory serves,

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but you know, like they him and his firm got

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like a huge amount of public money, so like wire

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up California and like before I mean it's like a

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twentieth century obviously, or the twenty firth century in terms

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of a lobbying and like modern lobbying as we think

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of it, that really didn't come into exist. And it's

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so like grand administration, like this idea of like I'm

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a I'm a businessman, or i am or I'm some

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Wall Street type and I can I could just approach

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Congress and like make my case and be like yeah,

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I need you know, I need twenty thousand dollars, which

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I adjusting for inflation. I mean that's that's like tens

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of millions of dollars today. You know that. You know

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this idea, you can just kind of like approach congressmen

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or senators or approach the cabinet like the secretary the

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Interior or something of a of an incoming president, and

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it's like make your pitch for for subsidies, like I

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was basically unheard of. Ian's that's just like something you

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could do, you know. So but I mean if you

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but if you had business in California relating to infrastructure,

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like like basically like like watching it like shovel money

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at you, you know, and then the hugely significance man

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hugely significant, you know, and like a telegraph, it quickly

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became like indispensable to government, you know. And this is

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also the uh, this is uh. This is also the

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origins of the Associated Press, you know, like AP, like

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the AP news wire started in eighteen twenty seven, which

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is insane, you know, and originally originally it was it

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was it was local in New York, you know, but

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then they like like ap started like utilizing the fact

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that California is going wired up, you know, to to

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literally be able to like dissemminate like coast to coast news.

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Like how like how validated news was is is an

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open ended question, you know, like fake news isn't like

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a new thing. But you know, like all this like

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what what President Polk's angle and all this was on

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aside from like the obvious and this is hugely important too.

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You know, Texas was always basically what the reason on

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the reason the federal government had its site so much

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in California, and it was like salivating that's what they'd

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wanted Texas to be. You know, like like Texas is

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as it's just like a bounty of of of natural

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wealth in the new world. You know, like it's it's incredible.

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You know, it's got it's got it's got the it's

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got the commodities and and the and the convertible energy

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resources of like ten countries you know, like to this day,

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like it's it's insane. But you know, Texas is always problematic.

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In Texas of course also like joined the Confederates. You know,

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we weren't there yet, you know, during Pokes administration. But

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I mean the Texans basically wouldn't play ball, and like

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Texas political culture there, there was always these problems. I mean,

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those those kind of endor to this day, although it's

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different now. I mean, in obvious Texas is no longer

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they they've lost their they've they've lost the storms as

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it were, for any kind of like rebel political culture.

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And they're they're so deeply insinuated into into the military

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industrial apparatus that then be kind of like an thinkable today.

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But you know, but Texas has always kind of found

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on its own program, you know, and it's always they're

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or and there was like discrete power bases there, you know,

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particularly related to to what became like agri business and stuff.

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You know, So people like Pope they were looking at

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California and saying, like, you know, well this we can

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we get basically like make California and whatever image we want,

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you know, and we can allocate it to resources and

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stuff where we want, you know, and we're not gonna

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like brush up against this uh like established power there,

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you know, and we're not gonna we're not gonna be

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have to deal with like a house of political culture.

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And you know, such that we can like convince people

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to move there. You know, they're gonna credit us with

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with kind of creating this utopia where like everything's wired up.

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You know, you got you've got you know, you've got

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like electricity. There's another huge thing and I'll get to

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that in a minute. Was like literally wiring up California

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electricity and like farmhouses and residences, which is like a

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herd of its scale, you know, basically like making California

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is like a tractive as possible. And then like when

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people like when you when these when these day one

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pioneer types arrived there, you know they'll they'll have like

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you know, they'll look at Washington. It's like this benevolent agent,

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you know that made this possible. And I'm sure that

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people like listening or watching right now, they're making the

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connection that like this is a lot like how Walt

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Disney thought, and they're right, it is way to that

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in a minute. But you know, the uh, the poke's

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interesting too because he he was he was like this

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genius polymath. He was an expert mathematician. He was born

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in North Carolina, he migrated the Tennessee. Served in Congress.

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He was Speaker of the House. He was governor for

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two years. And but but he was all so he

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was also like an old school Southerner, like you know

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what a plantation. He was a slave owner, like he

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was part of what you know, this the Confederacy's ops,

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you know, the rice that we called the slave power.

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But again, he was like this high speed mathematician and

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this kind of like polymath and like he had a

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deep understanding of technology, you know, but he's kind of

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casts like this. He's kind of cast as like this stodgy,

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like old guy who represented this kind of reactionary tendency,

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you know. And yeah, I mean it's not totally false,

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but that that's kind of like the wrong takeaway from

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Polk and his administration, you know. And he uh he

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was an acolyte of Andrew Jackson. I can't remember we

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got into that or not so much that people called

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him young Hickory. So he had credibility. It's like this

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kind of like populist, uh like white Yaloman type, you know.

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And that's one of the reasons why he was like

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so effective, you know, because like he actually was those things.

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It wasn't it wasn't just this kind of like fake

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narrative around him. Remarkable guy. You know, I'm a big

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fan of him, as people probably discerned, and I don't

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think he's a president people read about her anymore. But

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you know, at Uh, people like Paul Johnson playing that

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Pope was the first president who was killed by the office,

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you know, and he kept uh, he screwags, They kept

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a diary and it was clearly like the stress and

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the workload was killing him, you know, and at Uh

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kind of the most like obvious inflavorant instance of that

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is Wilson, but I mean Polke also, like the pressures

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these guys were under are incredible, like even today, even

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kind of an empty suit like Obama, like he made

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a lot of the fact that you know, like in

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a few years ago his heroin Gray and stuff, you know,

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like it's it's like an exhausting role even now when

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there's all kinds of advantages and you're basically a pr

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man and not like a real executive. You know. That's

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why when I mean obviously a lot of the stems

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from a kind of debased hostility to the man. But

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with the world media outlets and not not just American ones,

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they talk about how like awful quote unquote awful Putin looks.

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It's like, well, he's a guy in his seventies. I

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think he probably beat cancer because all indications point to that,

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and the Russians are notoriously close to the chest about

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health problems with anybody, let alone their leadership. But you know,

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he's a war executive, and the pressures that man is

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under are unfathomable. I think ust A remarkably good considering

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all of that. But that's something of a tangent forgive this.

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But the the kind of key to all this that

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I just suggested, I mean, obviously, like the gold Rush

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happened immediately after the Mexican War, and a lot of

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these ideas at scale kind of ossified in the aftermath

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of of the of the Guadalupe Hidalgo Treaty. But Pope, Pope,

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Pope wanted to go to war in mexicoaks he wanted California. Okay,

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Like the men who actually fought the war, you know,

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guys like Jackson, Guys like Zaggary Taylor, guys like Stowell

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Jackson not Andrew, guys like Winfield Scott. I mean, they

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had they had a sense of like white man Southern

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honor about it, obviously, and you know they had they

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had they had like a warrior's mentality about it, you know,

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and a lot of you know, these manifest destiny types.

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Also they viewed it in like nakedly theological terms, and

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there's nothing wrong with that. It's one of the things

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that made American strong. I mean, that's one of the

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things that makes our people strong, like you know, white dissenters.

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But uh, that was not Paul's and Ocean Pope wand

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in California, Okay, because he was he was kind of

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like Wilson and kind of like Eisenhower in this regard

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like what everybody thinks like Wilson or I politically, that's

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not what I'm getting at. Like, they they had serious

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foresight in terms of infrastructural potentials and you know the

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exploitability of nature's bounty and as well as you know,

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how America's incredible wealth could translate into applied technology and

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in industry and things. And that's also why you know,

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I can't remember I mentioned this before. Pope Pope promised

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only served one term, and he did. And I think

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that's part of why, you know, back in those days,

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like medical treatment wasn't what it is today. I mean,

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Pope was not in particularly good health. I I when

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when he he he was a war executive who won,

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He was a conquering hero, America got Mexico. He was

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able to lock in basically these kind of key infrastructural projects,

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like I think it was basically like mission accomplished. And

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younger people dont really understand this, I don't think, but

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it was on the slight on them. There's no way

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they would And I plan to be around for a minute.

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I'm not like planning to die. But I do have

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like more time behind me than in front. And I

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do understand now why people, especially men, when they're like, okay,

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mission accomplished, it's kind of like your body almost gives out,

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you know, Like it's it's interesting. I'm not trying to

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be morbid, but it's significant when we're discussing that the

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kinds of personages and historical imperatives that we are. But

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you know, the uh you know, And again, there's a

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lot of cap around the Mexican War. There's a lot

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of historians, that lot of trational historians kind of cast

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the Mexicans with a bunch of fools and people who

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aren't don't have a charitable view of of Polk or

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or the Confederacy or the South or white people, if

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you po just kind of like this greedy opportunist other

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people like Howard Zinn types. They claim, well, obviously there

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was fore knowledge of California's gold wealth and so that

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this was this was like based like an economic heist,

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like none, none of those things are true, Like that's

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the demonstrably false, Like this was what it appears to be.

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And that's we got into the whole issue with the

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negotiations between between Larkin and and Slow and this kind

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of informal contingent that was based in Monterey, that that

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then managed to low ball the Mexicans and pay them

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only half would have been allocated for you know, these

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concessions which originally slate at thirty million dollars then have

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the you know, fifteen million. But it's you know, but

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when Mexico's actually treated pretty generously, you know, they were

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they were compensated there. There a lot of their debts

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were repudiated. And in Mexico then is now had a

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terrible reputation for accruing massive public debts and then just

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simply like welshing on them. And somehow that tracks like

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with Mexicans. And I'm not trying to like trash like

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like Spanish people or something, but it's just funny to

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think about. But uh the uh and also too and

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we'll move on from this in a minute, but this

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is important. You know, the Mexican government was was violently

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anti American. You know, it's that that wasn't just some

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sort of rationale in the books as the causes Billy,

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you know, that is true. And some people seem to

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forget that because they do Mexico is albeit you know

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of the in the era. I mean, they do it

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you know, possibly as corrupt and stuff and the way

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that unfortunately a lot of political cultures based on the

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Iberian model are, but they viewed it as basically this

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kind of like European colonial power that was uh that

474
00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:25,519
that was fighting a race war against the Apache and

475
00:30:25,599 --> 00:30:28,759
so they they they for some reason in their mind

476
00:30:28,799 --> 00:30:31,799
it's like, well, no, you know, how how in America

477
00:30:31,839 --> 00:30:35,240
and how especially the American South and Mexico not be friendly.

478
00:30:35,319 --> 00:30:37,880
They were serious. There was serious enmity there, and the

479
00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:43,160
Mexicans hated America like their government. I mean, I don't.

480
00:30:44,039 --> 00:30:47,599
It's outside the scope. But one of the reasons why,

481
00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:51,400
like Mexican people and whites, I mean, yeah, there's tensions there,

482
00:30:51,519 --> 00:30:54,599
as there always are between peoples, but they do get

483
00:30:54,599 --> 00:30:58,640
along better than than other populations like on the street,

484
00:30:58,839 --> 00:31:02,599
in square life and ever. And that's an interesting topic.

485
00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:06,279
But obviously it's OUTSI the scope. But I I don't

486
00:31:06,319 --> 00:31:08,960
believe that Mexican people had some like a biting hatred

487
00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:12,200
of America. You better believe that their government did, you know,

488
00:31:12,279 --> 00:31:16,039
And and that kind of divide between I mean, there

489
00:31:16,079 --> 00:31:19,440
really was like a chasmic distance between like the ruling

490
00:31:19,759 --> 00:31:24,480
caste in Mexico and like the common manner woman like that.

491
00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:27,960
Speaker 1: That's what really screwed it up when when it became

492
00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:31,720
blatantly communist, oh yeah, became much more hostile.

493
00:31:32,119 --> 00:31:36,720
Speaker 2: No, in Mexico is a screwy. We're getting ahead of ourselves.

494
00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:38,960
But even like the Zimmermann Telegram, a lot of that

495
00:31:39,039 --> 00:31:42,000
was cap Like, I don't it's not like the Mexicans

496
00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:44,599
are imminently going to like assault the Southwest. But the

497
00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:47,079
very fact that I mean, I mean Wilhelm was was

498
00:31:47,119 --> 00:31:52,599
not a good ruler and just not a good guy

499
00:31:52,759 --> 00:31:55,759
in all kinds of ways, but I and something of stupid.

500
00:31:55,960 --> 00:31:59,119
I mean he he was always saying stupid things, you know,

501
00:31:59,119 --> 00:32:01,960
where there was like firing off a cable to Paul

502
00:32:02,039 --> 00:32:06,079
Krueger's antagonized the British for no reason, or you know,

503
00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:09,200
setting off the Zimmerman Telegram. But but the fact that

504
00:32:09,240 --> 00:32:11,440
the Mexicans were receptive to that, I mean that kind

505
00:32:11,440 --> 00:32:14,119
of speaks for itself, you know, like the I mean,

506
00:32:14,160 --> 00:32:16,880
the Mexican government today doesn't like America and vice versa.

507
00:32:18,039 --> 00:32:19,680
I mean I realized they got like a fake government.

508
00:32:19,680 --> 00:32:22,039
Now they got this like dumpy Yenta lady. I mean

509
00:32:22,079 --> 00:32:24,720
it's it's it's like a combination like hertel shit then

510
00:32:26,039 --> 00:32:32,000
and you know, big big money interests of a transnational

511
00:32:32,599 --> 00:32:36,599
sort and like like security state interests. I mean, she's

512
00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:39,480
not like the real control there. But with the reason

513
00:32:39,480 --> 00:32:42,880
why she always like mouths these stupid platitudes about you know,

514
00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:45,559
like evil Weighty and evil Yankee Tom. I mean that

515
00:32:45,559 --> 00:32:48,599
that that's got deep roots there. You know, it's not

516
00:32:49,319 --> 00:32:52,279
it's it's not some like new thing or whatever. But

517
00:32:56,440 --> 00:32:59,799
the and the and it's all do too. We'll move

518
00:32:59,799 --> 00:33:02,799
on minute. But for the military hounds, on deck or

519
00:33:02,799 --> 00:33:04,680
are going to be watching. And this is important too.

520
00:33:06,440 --> 00:33:11,200
You know, the the Mexican Wars and specifically the assault

521
00:33:11,240 --> 00:33:13,839
on Mexico City, that was like the first real use

522
00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:16,079
of combined arms in the sense we think of it. Yeah,

523
00:33:16,079 --> 00:33:18,519
I know, field artillery it existed for a long time,

524
00:33:18,599 --> 00:33:25,000
but that coordination between you know, artillery and the infantry

525
00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:28,480
element and that kind of like advance of fire in

526
00:33:28,559 --> 00:33:33,799
Closewitzian duc Trintal terms, that was the first time that

527
00:33:33,839 --> 00:33:38,920
had been that that had been practiced in you know,

528
00:33:39,759 --> 00:33:42,880
at scale, you know, and and especially it was it

529
00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:45,200
was it was it was certainly into a first impression

530
00:33:45,240 --> 00:33:47,759
in America. And that one of the reasons why the

531
00:33:47,799 --> 00:33:50,839
Confederates were so tough. It's not just because of you know,

532
00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:54,359
like the the kind of warrior culture of of of

533
00:33:54,400 --> 00:33:57,480
the American South, which still exists today, is because these

534
00:33:57,519 --> 00:33:59,799
guys are all cut their teeth fighting the Mexican War,

535
00:34:00,279 --> 00:34:03,359
you know, with what was then cutting edge wartech man,

536
00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:06,000
you know, like they and this was splendidly executed. And

537
00:34:06,039 --> 00:34:08,960
that was it was guys like Zachary Taylor and guys

538
00:34:09,039 --> 00:34:13,760
like Stonewall, you know, who were like leading company level elements,

539
00:34:14,360 --> 00:34:18,159
but like Winfield Scott. It was Winfield Scott really planned

540
00:34:18,199 --> 00:34:24,000
that operation, you know, and uh Robert E. Lee was

541
00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:30,559
a captain on the ground. McClelland was there, Grant Jefferson Davis,

542
00:34:30,599 --> 00:34:33,280
who was a it was a full colonel. It's literally

543
00:34:33,320 --> 00:34:36,239
like a who's who of you know, the men who

544
00:34:36,239 --> 00:34:41,119
commanded forces in the war between the States. It was

545
00:34:41,199 --> 00:34:49,280
also uh Scott's Winfield Scott's army. It was the first

546
00:34:49,320 --> 00:34:55,719
amphibious assault ever mounted by US forces on March March ninth,

547
00:34:55,840 --> 00:34:59,400
eighteen forty seven, at Vera, Cruz. And it was carried,

548
00:34:59,400 --> 00:35:02,480
it was it was it went off without loss, with

549
00:35:02,480 --> 00:35:05,320
with like no no attrition on on the side of

550
00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:07,639
American forces. So it's so that the Mexican War is

551
00:35:07,679 --> 00:35:09,599
important a lot of reasons. And I think people way

552
00:35:10,039 --> 00:35:11,639
you look at it, it's kind of like this this

553
00:35:11,800 --> 00:35:14,880
nothing thing, or they look at it like the War

554
00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:19,079
of eighteen twelve contra the Revolutionary War or something. I mean,

555
00:35:19,079 --> 00:35:22,079
warriating twelve is important too, but they's it's it was

556
00:35:22,119 --> 00:35:26,199
really important. It's own right for oh, all kinds of reasons.

557
00:35:26,239 --> 00:35:29,360
But yeah, I I realized I gotta pick up the pace.

558
00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:37,920
But but you know, just on uh on, it's in

559
00:35:38,079 --> 00:35:42,440
it in in brass tacks terms, just in in value

560
00:35:42,920 --> 00:35:47,000
neutral terms and in a political terms, California wasn't even

561
00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:50,159
greater prize than Texas, you know, like not not accounting

562
00:35:50,199 --> 00:35:53,760
for the things that were precluding the full kind of

563
00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:59,960
realization of territorial potential or exploitation they were in depending

564
00:36:00,159 --> 00:36:09,920
on we fall on judgments, I suppose, but California the name,

565
00:36:11,320 --> 00:36:13,559
it's it's it's it's got a name that's like resident

566
00:36:13,719 --> 00:36:18,679
in fantasy, like it's Providence. I mean it was named

567
00:36:18,719 --> 00:36:23,280
after this imaginary island in this kind of like epic

568
00:36:23,800 --> 00:36:27,280
romance by or donate his name on Talbo that was

569
00:36:27,320 --> 00:36:34,159
published like right around fifteen one hundred and hernand Court

570
00:36:34,239 --> 00:36:37,639
has uh like like new of knew of it and

571
00:36:37,719 --> 00:36:53,639
would reference it and it uh, I guess he's not

572
00:36:53,760 --> 00:36:59,280
much thought like at first. True, like permanent settlement by

573
00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:02,400
the Spaniards didn't begin until the seventy sixties, like a

574
00:37:02,400 --> 00:37:05,920
settlement a scale, I mean you know of of of

575
00:37:06,159 --> 00:37:11,400
you know, of both sexes and of you know, like

576
00:37:11,480 --> 00:37:13,159
at Yaloman r as we think of it, you know

577
00:37:13,159 --> 00:37:15,119
what I mean. Before then it was it was Franciscan

578
00:37:15,199 --> 00:37:20,320
missions and it was uh freebooters and and like pirates,

579
00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:22,280
you know, like Partezum Sells, but it was like a

580
00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:27,119
warrior like pirate, like freebooter, you know. And the Franciscan

581
00:37:27,199 --> 00:37:31,360
missions between San Diego and San Diego were San Francisco

582
00:37:31,400 --> 00:37:35,400
and San Diego were ubiquitous. You know. The uh, the

583
00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:40,440
catlic Church owned a huge amount of California until the

584
00:37:40,559 --> 00:37:48,480
Spanish crown and then later you know, these various uh

585
00:37:48,960 --> 00:37:54,239
charter companies began, like the vesting Rome like of its holdings.

586
00:37:55,079 --> 00:37:58,159
But uh, you know there California has got an incredibly

587
00:37:58,280 --> 00:38:03,159
rare climate. Uh, the fertility of its soil was basically

588
00:38:03,519 --> 00:38:07,519
like unheard of. People had never seen anything like it.

589
00:38:11,719 --> 00:38:16,920
The range and aacial resources is literally boundless. You know.

590
00:38:20,760 --> 00:38:24,239
Everybody wanted a piece of it. The Russians had formed

591
00:38:24,239 --> 00:38:28,519
a plan, like the Tsaris to Russia at the beginning

592
00:38:28,519 --> 00:38:32,880
of the nineteenth century. They formed a plan to establish

593
00:38:33,039 --> 00:38:37,000
permanent settlements in California at the mouth of the Columbia

594
00:38:37,159 --> 00:38:40,280
River and also in Hawaii. They want to do the

595
00:38:40,280 --> 00:38:42,119
same thing. And like Hawaii is going to be like

596
00:38:42,159 --> 00:38:46,639
their springboard. Basically, like nothing came of it for a

597
00:38:46,639 --> 00:38:50,079
lot of reasons and you know, by the close of

598
00:38:50,119 --> 00:38:54,679
the by the close of the of the nineteenth century,

599
00:38:54,719 --> 00:38:57,519
I mean, Russia was was very much like uh, like

600
00:38:57,599 --> 00:39:01,800
like the sick man of empires. But this wasn't just

601
00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:06,519
fantasy like you know, this just to get an idea

602
00:39:06,599 --> 00:39:10,719
like how much it was coveted, you know, and we're

603
00:39:10,719 --> 00:39:12,440
gonna go ahead of ourselves who one of this two.

604
00:39:14,400 --> 00:39:18,239
It wasn't totally insane, like it was to pretend that like, oh,

605
00:39:18,320 --> 00:39:21,719
the Germans are coming to kill us. It wasn't totally

606
00:39:21,719 --> 00:39:25,559
insane to postulate that the Japanese would want California to

607
00:39:26,480 --> 00:39:29,199
I mean obviously, like there would have there were a

608
00:39:29,320 --> 00:39:31,840
bunch of there's what half it us in like preconditions

609
00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:35,679
that would have needed to kind of be splitidly realized

610
00:39:35,719 --> 00:39:39,880
before Japan couldn't even contemplate that in operational terms. But

611
00:39:40,400 --> 00:39:42,920
you better believe that was one of their kind of

612
00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:45,119
like that that would have been like the jewel in

613
00:39:45,159 --> 00:39:48,039
the crown of like ultimate objectives for the for like

614
00:39:48,079 --> 00:39:52,920
a victorious like Japanese empire, you know, because it would

615
00:39:52,960 --> 00:40:00,239
have had to have been you know the uh. One

616
00:40:00,280 --> 00:40:05,639
of the things that rufed the Russian ambitions was that

617
00:40:07,679 --> 00:40:10,280
when relations between the United States and the United Kingdom,

618
00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:19,039
which didn't really mend until, you know, until the first

619
00:40:19,800 --> 00:40:25,159
decade of the twentieth century. But in the eighteen twenties,

620
00:40:25,159 --> 00:40:28,719
the US Navy and the Royal Navy basically collaborated to

621
00:40:28,880 --> 00:40:35,159
cut to cut off the Russian Navy's like Pacific Fleet

622
00:40:37,079 --> 00:40:43,199
from being able to access the sea lanes that needed

623
00:40:43,199 --> 00:40:46,000
to in order to realize these ambitions it had in

624
00:40:46,039 --> 00:40:48,960
the West coast of the New World, you know. And

625
00:40:49,000 --> 00:40:53,639
that's I mean, what really took Russia out of the

626
00:40:53,760 --> 00:40:57,440
game as a maritime power that was able to project

627
00:40:57,559 --> 00:41:01,119
transcontinentally was the Russo Japanese War. The Japanese literally like

628
00:41:01,320 --> 00:41:04,960
slaughtered and sank the Russian Navy and in nineteen oh five.

629
00:41:05,960 --> 00:41:08,000
But that was such a big deal, and not just

630
00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:11,760
because it was you know, the not just because it

631
00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:15,840
indicated that Japan had arrived as a world power comparable

632
00:41:16,239 --> 00:41:22,920
in the power projection capability into the European naval forces,

633
00:41:22,960 --> 00:41:27,840
but also until then, the Russian the Imperial Russian Navy

634
00:41:27,960 --> 00:41:32,760
was a serious threat. It had serious threat potential. You know,

635
00:41:32,920 --> 00:41:39,039
whoever was likely to be situated as an opposing force

636
00:41:39,119 --> 00:41:47,719
to it. And that's one of the things that in

637
00:41:47,840 --> 00:41:55,119
bolden Polk because after the eighteen twenties he was basically

638
00:41:55,960 --> 00:42:00,039
being told by many would know, look like the of

639
00:42:00,800 --> 00:42:09,000
the Spanish slash Mexican hold on in California Oregon is

640
00:42:08,440 --> 00:42:14,719
uh is feeble at best? Which it was, and what

641
00:42:14,920 --> 00:42:19,960
really steal a deal? A guy evened Wilkes. He was

642
00:42:20,000 --> 00:42:28,280
a young officer. He was a lieutenant or a yeah,

643
00:42:28,280 --> 00:42:29,920
I think it was a lieutenant. I can never remember,

644
00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:32,119
like what the what the naval equivalent is of an

645
00:42:32,239 --> 00:42:35,159
army captain because like a naval captain is like a colonel.

646
00:42:35,679 --> 00:42:39,440
But uh, Wilson some kind of junior officer the US

647
00:42:39,559 --> 00:42:45,519
Navy and uh in eighteen forty one, you know, half

648
00:42:45,840 --> 00:42:49,519
half a decade before the Mexican War, the Strategic Survey

649
00:42:49,599 --> 00:42:52,599
was commissioned of the Eastern Pacific and what came to

650
00:42:52,639 --> 00:42:55,639
be kind of the focus of it, like as got underway,

651
00:42:57,039 --> 00:43:01,440
was you know, was sam for Cisco and then the

652
00:43:01,599 --> 00:43:06,119
entire like San Francisco region, you know, and and how

653
00:43:06,119 --> 00:43:09,519
it was literally like a gold mine, and how it

654
00:43:09,559 --> 00:43:13,960
was you know, it was like an essential it had

655
00:43:14,159 --> 00:43:17,320
it was an essential capture, you know, if America was

656
00:43:17,360 --> 00:43:21,880
going to become if America is going to become like

657
00:43:21,920 --> 00:43:25,400
a truly like self contained like continental power, like the

658
00:43:25,400 --> 00:43:29,039
idea like superpowers obviously didn't exist in and it was

659
00:43:29,119 --> 00:43:32,199
contemplation then, but like it's fancting to read like what

660
00:43:32,360 --> 00:43:35,000
Wilkes like put the paper and you just like the

661
00:43:35,039 --> 00:43:38,920
impressions of these guys. We're worldly people, you know, like

662
00:43:38,960 --> 00:43:41,519
a lot of these guys had been around the world,

663
00:43:41,559 --> 00:43:44,239
even those we had like they basically been like all

664
00:43:44,280 --> 00:43:48,119
through like the Spanish Empire and stuff. Uh, you know it.

665
00:43:49,599 --> 00:43:52,239
They talked about California like it's like freaking shangra lot

666
00:43:52,320 --> 00:43:54,159
or something, which I guess it kind of is. But

667
00:43:55,000 --> 00:43:57,320
okind the time we got okay, we're going on for

668
00:43:57,320 --> 00:43:59,519
about forty two minutes or I'll pick up the pace

669
00:44:01,119 --> 00:44:03,119
if I'm being boring or repetitive, like let me know,

670
00:44:03,440 --> 00:44:12,519
but it's a it's all good, okay, good deal. This

671
00:44:12,760 --> 00:44:16,719
huge boom. Like by by the eighteen eighties, California had

672
00:44:16,760 --> 00:44:20,519
about a quarter million people. You know, it was uh,

673
00:44:21,840 --> 00:44:27,920
it was rapidly becoming the financial and cultural hub you know,

674
00:44:28,039 --> 00:44:31,480
of the West, which at that time was still like

675
00:44:31,519 --> 00:44:37,880
wide open space. Obviously even is there really is Like

676
00:44:37,920 --> 00:44:44,639
the eighteen eightiesnob Hill was a nob hill was a

677
00:44:46,000 --> 00:44:48,559
was like Beverly Hills of the day, but even more

678
00:44:48,639 --> 00:44:51,840
so there was like you had mansions that were worth

679
00:44:51,840 --> 00:44:55,159
a million dollars, which is basically like a billion dollar

680
00:44:55,320 --> 00:44:57,519
house like in today's money. Like I think it's point

681
00:44:57,519 --> 00:44:59,800
of people a lot. They can't really contact the wealth.

682
00:45:00,800 --> 00:45:02,960
If you were like a millionaire in like the eighteen

683
00:45:03,079 --> 00:45:06,760
sixties or eighteen eighties, it's like unfathomable. It's not just

684
00:45:06,800 --> 00:45:09,599
like being a rich guy or like these guys like

685
00:45:09,679 --> 00:45:13,760
Andrew Carnegie, like the like the power they had, Like

686
00:45:13,800 --> 00:45:17,760
these guys literally were uh like masses the universe, you know,

687
00:45:17,800 --> 00:45:23,119
like they could like they like like like world leaders

688
00:45:23,119 --> 00:45:26,840
that like gravel before them, you know, like they they

689
00:45:26,920 --> 00:45:30,559
owned like double digit percentages of like the GDP. Like

690
00:45:30,599 --> 00:45:33,440
that's like unfamomable. Now, Like even a guy like Elon Musk,

691
00:45:33,440 --> 00:45:35,880
who I've got like tremendous respect for, and I just

692
00:45:35,920 --> 00:45:39,159
think he knows a lot of like awesome stuff. Even

693
00:45:39,199 --> 00:45:41,719
like a guy like him is like nothing in compared

694
00:45:41,760 --> 00:45:45,599
to the the kinds of wealth accrued by these guys,

695
00:45:45,639 --> 00:45:49,639
and in in percentage terms and stuff, and.

696
00:45:50,119 --> 00:45:52,599
Speaker 1: Like nineteen eight, nineteen o nine, JP Morgan paid off

697
00:45:52,599 --> 00:45:53,360
the American debt.

698
00:45:53,800 --> 00:45:56,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, there you go. And he was he was

699
00:45:56,480 --> 00:46:00,519
probably he was definitely like one of like the five

700
00:46:00,639 --> 00:46:04,360
like most important men on this planet, like Morgan. Uh,

701
00:46:04,519 --> 00:46:06,440
I mean basically, like I mean, World War One basically

702
00:46:06,400 --> 00:46:09,159
started because of uh, it was like Morgan's firm that

703
00:46:09,199 --> 00:46:11,199
it's sent that like at Todder to Wall Street, and

704
00:46:11,199 --> 00:46:13,800
it was it was JP Morgan that essentially called up

705
00:46:13,840 --> 00:46:17,360
the White House and demanded Wilson like fixed this because

706
00:46:17,400 --> 00:46:20,159
they had debt that wasn't gonna be serviced because they

707
00:46:20,159 --> 00:46:23,119
got sold the Billy Goods by the British Crown. I mean,

708
00:46:23,159 --> 00:46:24,840
I think we got into that our World War One series.

709
00:46:24,840 --> 00:46:27,639
But yeah, it's like unfathomable. And and this this kind

710
00:46:27,719 --> 00:46:31,800
this new money was concentrating in California. You know, it's

711
00:46:32,320 --> 00:46:38,159
but something else that was happening. A lot of people

712
00:46:39,360 --> 00:46:43,800
attribute the decadence of California to post war stuff and

713
00:46:45,519 --> 00:46:49,880
Coulter Confiden and what they kind of improperly described as

714
00:46:49,960 --> 00:46:53,320
cultural Marxism and like long precede that that's like a

715
00:46:53,440 --> 00:46:59,599
that's like a whole different issue. What was called barbary

716
00:46:59,679 --> 00:47:04,400
co euphemistically, it was basically like it was basically California

717
00:47:04,480 --> 00:47:10,840
red light district for context, because for the geography contexts

718
00:47:10,880 --> 00:47:12,880
I look this up. I mean, I know that Gagrea

719
00:47:12,960 --> 00:47:15,239
California reasonably well, but I'm not like I was never

720
00:47:15,280 --> 00:47:16,840
true lead local there. We mightta spend a lot of

721
00:47:16,880 --> 00:47:22,519
time there. But the Barbary Coast like as a reddle

722
00:47:22,559 --> 00:47:25,960
light district and like as a as a community area

723
00:47:26,000 --> 00:47:29,360
as we call in Chicago. It was bounded by Broadway, Kearney,

724
00:47:29,639 --> 00:47:37,920
Montgomery and Pacific Avenue, and its primary revenues came from

725
00:47:38,679 --> 00:47:42,360
you know, bars and taverns, but like gambling joints and

726
00:47:42,480 --> 00:47:46,840
like dance halls that were basically just like whorehouses. And

727
00:47:47,159 --> 00:47:52,800
there's like a burgaining uh trade, not just for like

728
00:47:52,880 --> 00:47:55,440
teenage girls and adult women, but like men as well

729
00:47:55,480 --> 00:48:01,800
as like kids, like really awful stuff basically like a

730
00:48:01,880 --> 00:48:08,039
smartest board of like dat and sea. It was William

731
00:48:08,119 --> 00:48:11,679
Randolph Hurst who shut all that down, which is fascinating,

732
00:48:11,760 --> 00:48:17,199
and this he plays an essential role in the kind

733
00:48:17,199 --> 00:48:20,280
of rehabilitation of like the capitalists and the public mind,

734
00:48:20,559 --> 00:48:23,880
and incidentally, filmed Citizen Kane is all about that, if

735
00:48:23,880 --> 00:48:27,159
you read between the lines. But reading a little bit

736
00:48:27,199 --> 00:48:31,320
ahead of ourselves, the first like actual like strip joint,

737
00:48:31,440 --> 00:48:34,280
Like it's been like peep shows and stuff obviously going

738
00:48:34,360 --> 00:48:37,039
back like as long as there were like people in America,

739
00:48:37,119 --> 00:48:40,519
but like a dedicated like strip bar, you know, like

740
00:48:40,599 --> 00:48:43,960
Nudi bar, Like the first one in America was at

741
00:48:43,960 --> 00:48:47,519
the corner of Carring in California and it opened in

742
00:48:47,559 --> 00:48:53,400
eighteen eighty five. You know when this became, this became

743
00:48:53,480 --> 00:48:56,800
something California was known for, like especially in San Francisco.

744
00:48:56,840 --> 00:49:01,519
It wasn't only a port city, but you know, it

745
00:49:01,679 --> 00:49:04,480
kind of had like Alaska demographics early on. It's because

746
00:49:04,480 --> 00:49:08,239
of like all the all the eighteen forty nine minors,

747
00:49:08,679 --> 00:49:11,039
you know, so you had this like majority male population

748
00:49:11,119 --> 00:49:13,000
and kind of rough hun guys, like a lot of

749
00:49:13,039 --> 00:49:17,039
whom were fleeing trouble with the law honestly and stuff.

750
00:49:18,000 --> 00:49:21,800
You know. The women who were there, like the you like,

751
00:49:21,840 --> 00:49:25,320
the young and youngish women who were there were disproportionately prostitutes.

752
00:49:26,159 --> 00:49:28,440
I call them prostitutes. And I know that these like

753
00:49:28,800 --> 00:49:31,639
figgy like wiki editor types in all your house, Like no,

754
00:49:31,719 --> 00:49:34,679
they're sex workers, Like now you're not, you're not working

755
00:49:34,719 --> 00:49:36,360
at sex if you sell your puss a year of

756
00:49:36,400 --> 00:49:39,079
prostitute just like if you like sling dope, you're not

757
00:49:39,199 --> 00:49:42,719
like an unlicensed pharmacist, you're the dope man. You know

758
00:49:43,159 --> 00:49:45,400
that this really really really bothers me. I've like I've

759
00:49:45,400 --> 00:49:47,360
had like check people in real life when they use

760
00:49:47,400 --> 00:49:53,840
that term and like, don't don't ever use that term.

761
00:49:53,880 --> 00:49:58,199
But where was I oh, you know, in these days,

762
00:49:58,280 --> 00:50:02,159
there wasn't a you know, there wasn't like real like

763
00:50:02,159 --> 00:50:05,199
like as we think of like law enforcement that's a

764
00:50:05,320 --> 00:50:08,679
night that's a mid nineteenth century innovation. It arrived in

765
00:50:08,719 --> 00:50:12,800
the East Coast first obviously, but really until like the

766
00:50:12,840 --> 00:50:16,800
turn of the century, it wasn't this ubiquitous thing, you know,

767
00:50:16,840 --> 00:50:19,119
And like this idea that there's just like this police

768
00:50:19,159 --> 00:50:22,039
force kind of going around looking for people committing crimes

769
00:50:22,079 --> 00:50:24,760
and like shaking down the local whorehouse or the local

770
00:50:26,000 --> 00:50:29,519
you know, uh or the local like poker den or

771
00:50:29,559 --> 00:50:32,159
the local opium den like that that wasn't the thing,

772
00:50:33,159 --> 00:50:36,079
you know. I find it fascinating because people think like

773
00:50:36,119 --> 00:50:39,119
the police had this like permanent perennial thing. They think

774
00:50:39,119 --> 00:50:41,159
the police or like the stars or something like they

775
00:50:41,239 --> 00:50:43,960
do like the national state, like the West Falian state.

776
00:50:44,000 --> 00:50:46,960
They think it like has always existed it can never

777
00:50:47,119 --> 00:50:50,719
not exist, and it's like it's like time or matter

778
00:50:50,880 --> 00:50:52,559
or the weather. And to try to explain to them

779
00:50:52,599 --> 00:50:54,880
like no, you don't like like the police aren't like

780
00:50:54,920 --> 00:50:56,679
one of the elements, like get your head out of

781
00:50:56,679 --> 00:51:04,039
your ass. But but point being, there's this tychotomy in California,

782
00:51:04,199 --> 00:51:06,039
you know, And honestly, I mean that's part of the

783
00:51:06,039 --> 00:51:08,480
creative destruction of capitalism. You know. It was like vice,

784
00:51:08,719 --> 00:51:13,159
you know, because I'm not I'm not falling back on

785
00:51:14,639 --> 00:51:18,480
Marxist trophes or something about a capitalism like assaults the soul.

786
00:51:18,559 --> 00:51:21,800
And but I mean when anytime you have people with

787
00:51:21,880 --> 00:51:24,599
money to spend, especially when you have like a heavily

788
00:51:24,639 --> 00:51:27,840
male population, like men aren't any more prone to sin

789
00:51:27,920 --> 00:51:30,039
than women, but there's certain kinds of stuff that's bad

790
00:51:30,079 --> 00:51:33,119
for you that men like I think we can all

791
00:51:33,159 --> 00:51:36,280
agree on the next we're all adults here, and that

792
00:51:36,280 --> 00:51:38,559
that tends to the demand for that kind of thing

793
00:51:38,559 --> 00:51:42,960
as well as people willing to make it available. There's

794
00:51:43,119 --> 00:51:48,639
there's like a minuet between those two tendencies. But so

795
00:51:48,679 --> 00:51:51,639
I'm getting as well describing this isn't to say, like,

796
00:51:51,679 --> 00:51:54,320
see things have always been this way on the West coast.

797
00:51:54,360 --> 00:51:56,360
I'm not saying that at all. I mean that's true,

798
00:51:56,440 --> 00:52:01,000
but there there's a tremendous backlash against it, and California

799
00:52:01,039 --> 00:52:03,760
became known going in part to these guys like hers

800
00:52:03,800 --> 00:52:08,719
to built entire careers out of out of kind of

801
00:52:08,719 --> 00:52:12,360
like cleaning up vice and things. But this kind of

802
00:52:12,719 --> 00:52:16,800
this kind of crusading like moralist culture that was very

803
00:52:17,039 --> 00:52:22,719
much based in congregational Christianity, specifically Methodism from day one,

804
00:52:23,280 --> 00:52:25,880
like took roote in California, and the only thing really

805
00:52:25,920 --> 00:52:28,440
comparable was kind of like the church culture of the South.

806
00:52:29,199 --> 00:52:32,599
You know, it's this idea that this idea of California

807
00:52:32,679 --> 00:52:36,719
was always this kind of like massive uh like then

808
00:52:36,800 --> 00:52:40,480
of ill repute that was always different from the rest

809
00:52:40,480 --> 00:52:42,239
of the country. And it's always had this kind of

810
00:52:44,679 --> 00:52:51,400
like tolerance for for debased passions, particularly a sexual nature

811
00:52:51,480 --> 00:52:54,480
and the things that wasn't true at all, Like if anything,

812
00:52:54,559 --> 00:52:58,559
people were I mean it's not only a culture of extremes,

813
00:52:59,360 --> 00:53:01,199
but in some way like people were like way more

814
00:53:01,280 --> 00:53:04,840
uptight in r which I'll get into an episode three.

815
00:53:05,199 --> 00:53:06,880
We're in r like way more up tight all that

816
00:53:06,960 --> 00:53:09,039
kind of stuff than in the Midwest. Like it plays

817
00:53:09,079 --> 00:53:11,480
like shy town. It's very much below board. You don't

818
00:53:11,519 --> 00:53:14,320
see it, but everybody knows about it, and there's not

819
00:53:14,320 --> 00:53:18,159
people like crusading against it. That's that's like a California

820
00:53:18,239 --> 00:53:21,000
thing and a Southern thing. I'm not putting shade on

821
00:53:21,199 --> 00:53:24,880
their other culture, but you know, the the point is

822
00:53:24,920 --> 00:53:27,639
that if California is like anywhere, it's like the South,

823
00:53:28,360 --> 00:53:33,400
it's it's not this. You know, it's not what people

824
00:53:33,400 --> 00:53:35,760
think it is. You know, it's not. It's not It's

825
00:53:35,800 --> 00:53:37,920
not a bunch of people who think like Berkeley liberals

826
00:53:38,039 --> 00:53:41,119
is what I'm getting it, you know, and even even

827
00:53:41,119 --> 00:53:43,239
Tho where even where the but even where the institutionalized

828
00:53:43,320 --> 00:53:45,840
vice comes from there, it doesn't come from the places

829
00:53:45,840 --> 00:53:50,159
people think it does. But but yeah, it was. It

830
00:53:50,199 --> 00:53:55,400
was basically William ryannol of Hers who became this like

831
00:53:55,599 --> 00:54:02,519
anti kind of vice crusader during the progressive era and

832
00:54:02,639 --> 00:54:06,039
like what immediately preceded it, you know, Hearst Also he

833
00:54:06,079 --> 00:54:11,760
was the first real like newspaper like magnate. He he

834
00:54:12,239 --> 00:54:15,039
he founded the San Francisco Examiner, which was like a

835
00:54:15,159 --> 00:54:19,000
huge paper, which like I remember it was a huge

836
00:54:19,000 --> 00:54:20,480
paper still like when I was a kid, and like

837
00:54:20,519 --> 00:54:26,920
a teenager. You know, the uh Hearst has sak eight

838
00:54:27,039 --> 00:54:32,599
million dollars into it to compete basically with like the

839
00:54:32,679 --> 00:54:35,519
top like East Coast media brands, you know which again

840
00:54:35,639 --> 00:54:38,599
that was beyond like a princely sum in those things.

841
00:54:41,519 --> 00:54:48,079
He people claim he helped start the Spanish American War.

842
00:54:49,199 --> 00:54:51,840
I mean, Hurst was obviously considered the father of yellow

843
00:54:51,920 --> 00:54:56,679
journalism and Citizen Kane. Like you know, it's obviously spoken

844
00:54:56,719 --> 00:54:58,480
about Hearst, and it paints him and some ways as

845
00:54:58,480 --> 00:55:00,440
a monster, but also paints him his kind just like

846
00:55:01,480 --> 00:55:03,920
it's just kind of like godlike figure almost like I

847
00:55:03,960 --> 00:55:07,360
don't know, people are familiar if you yourself are if

848
00:55:07,400 --> 00:55:10,719
you're familiar with the glass bes by Ernesty Junger like

849
00:55:10,719 --> 00:55:13,360
like Hearst was like Zapperoni was kind of like Walt

850
00:55:13,360 --> 00:55:17,599
Disney means like William Randolph Hurst. That's why like I

851
00:55:17,679 --> 00:55:22,599
think of him. But you know Hurst, uh he uh

852
00:55:22,679 --> 00:55:27,599
he ran this uh incredibly hostile and Bella COO's copy

853
00:55:29,559 --> 00:55:38,000
against the uh the Spaniards. He uh endorsed political assassination

854
00:55:38,480 --> 00:55:44,719
of America's and of quote America's enemies, and he backpedaled

855
00:55:44,760 --> 00:55:46,480
when people criticized him for it, say like oh, this

856
00:55:46,639 --> 00:55:48,800
was only this was only a mental exercise, but it

857
00:55:48,840 --> 00:55:52,119
was like obvious he was talking about like assassinating like

858
00:55:52,119 --> 00:55:55,920
like assassinating the Spanish leadership. It's just kind of like crazy,

859
00:55:56,239 --> 00:56:05,639
reckless stuff. But he he hated McKinley, President McKinley, so

860
00:56:05,719 --> 00:56:07,719
like some of his ops, I tried to blame him

861
00:56:07,800 --> 00:56:14,000
for the the assassination of McKinley. That, uh, it's a

862
00:56:14,079 --> 00:56:20,400
very very interesting guy and obviously too. Like when World

863
00:56:20,400 --> 00:56:29,480
War One arrived that California got with another infusion of capitalization.

864
00:56:29,960 --> 00:56:39,320
Well we have public subsidies, but sorry. That really that

865
00:56:39,400 --> 00:56:44,360
really built it as an essential hub of military industrial power.

866
00:56:45,519 --> 00:56:50,880
And it also made it even more sephlitic because you

867
00:56:50,960 --> 00:56:56,119
had this mass of soldiers, sailors, marines and the camp

868
00:56:56,159 --> 00:56:59,360
followers that attend that. You know, there was a whole

869
00:56:59,480 --> 00:57:05,400
army of prostitutes and all kinds of other incidental goodies

870
00:57:05,480 --> 00:57:09,280
like drugs and gambling and alcohol, which I've always been

871
00:57:09,320 --> 00:57:13,239
with us even't used to be promoted over your smartphone.

872
00:57:13,559 --> 00:57:17,159
But you know, sometimes people convince themselves that these are

873
00:57:17,239 --> 00:57:21,239
new things because they want to idealize the past. It's

874
00:57:21,239 --> 00:57:24,239
like what progressives do in reverse, like progressives are symboltons,

875
00:57:24,280 --> 00:57:28,719
you think that like the thing that the future is

876
00:57:28,760 --> 00:57:33,280
like the Jetsons, you know, like like they're they're kind

877
00:57:33,280 --> 00:57:37,039
of bourgeois like nominal ops or people who who think

878
00:57:37,119 --> 00:57:41,519
that like the past was the Flintstones. It's fucking returned.

879
00:57:42,559 --> 00:57:46,480
But even though it doesn't seem like a natural stopping place,

880
00:57:46,519 --> 00:57:50,639
and I keep going like I'm gonna it's it's gonna be,

881
00:57:50,719 --> 00:57:52,880
I'm gonna have to like interrupt the kind of next

882
00:57:53,360 --> 00:57:56,239
days of what I wanted to talk about. Yeah, I'm

883
00:57:56,239 --> 00:57:57,840
sorry I didn't get to as much as I wanted today.

884
00:57:57,880 --> 00:58:01,280
I promised episode three, like I'll I'll wrap this up

885
00:58:01,280 --> 00:58:04,119
and I'll get to the meat of like data into

886
00:58:04,159 --> 00:58:06,199
things about blue California.

887
00:58:07,840 --> 00:58:10,840
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, no problem at all. Do some quick

888
00:58:10,840 --> 00:58:13,239
plugs and we'll finish this up.

889
00:58:14,000 --> 00:58:19,039
Speaker 2: Yeah, certainly. You can find me on social media at

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894
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895
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899
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they say that again, it's like, well, how can I?

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How can I? How can my government name be a

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are two is on substack that's where my podcast is

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I mean my Instagram, I'm on Telegram. I'm all over

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