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Speaker 1: And we are back. So our next topic takes us

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to a special Bond, James Bond. You might say, yeah,

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it seems like there's a little bit of a trouble

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in the Bond household, a little bit of I'm not

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gonna say that, actually domestic fighting going on or something

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in hell. Okay, you pretty just said it, which is

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the case. There's definitely some stuff going down here, and

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it seems like just the new Double O seven is

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kind of in peril is the word that's being used.

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So basically, I've got the information here that I'm just

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gonna kind of like just slap down on you guys. So,

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nearly three years after Amazon acquired the right to release

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Bond movies through its six point five billion purchase of

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the Metro Goldwyn Mayor studio, relationship between the family that

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oversees the franchise and the e commerce giant has all

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but collapsed. The decaying partnership has scuttled any near term

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hope of a new Bond film, a black eye for

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Amazon's ambitions in Hollywood, since, at the time of the

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MGM sale, the Bond franchise represented a significant share of

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the six point five billion that the company paid for

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the studio. Now, when it comes to Bond's future, the

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power lies in the hands of Barbara Broccoli, who inherited

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her last names Broccoli, who inherited the control from her father,

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Albert Cubby Broccoli, and who for thirty years has decided

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when a new Bond movie can go into production. She's

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told friends she doesn't trust algorithm centric Amazon with a character.

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Speaker 2: Oh what it is, let's go broccoly.

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Speaker 1: Character she helped to mythologize through big screen storytelling and

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gut instinct. This fall, she characterized the status of a

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new movie in dire terms, no scrip, no story, and

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no new Bond. To friends. Broccoli has characterized her thoughts

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on Amazon this way and I quote, these people are

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fucking idiots. Quote. A representative for Eon, the production from

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behind the Bond film said Broccoli and other members of

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the family had no comment. The two sides are at

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an impasse, and Amazon needs Broccoli to furnish them with

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ideas for a new Bond movie, but Broccoli doesn't want

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to make a new Bond movie with Amazon. The standoffs,

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say people on both sides of the divide, boils down

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to a clash between the twentieth century Hollywood, of big

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screens and big swings, and a new entertainment industry ruled

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by Silicon Valley firms that prize data, algorithms and streaming subscriptions.

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This story is based on interviews with more than twenty

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people familiar with the Broccoli Amazon feud, including executives, business partners,

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and friends. The Broccolis families control James Bond has few

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comparisons in contemporary Hollywood, where they've already turned down like

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TV shows and video games, and at least one tie

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in casino.

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Speaker 2: Turned down IOI though, to make a James Bond game.

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So no.

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Speaker 1: For much of her career, Broccoli has made those calls

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with her stepbrother, Uh, what's his name? His name?

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Speaker 2: His name is Cauliflower, Mike Wilson common.

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Speaker 1: H Bond. That character, he's a family heirloom.

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Speaker 3: You said a lot of words from here, Taylor. I

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feel like I'm grasping some of it. So Amazon purchased

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six point five billion dollars from MGM four.

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Speaker 1: They didn't purchase six point five billion dollars.

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Speaker 3: Sorry, they spent six point five billion dollars. You lost

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me early on then, for what the filming.

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Speaker 1: Rights of the studio that basically own or was like

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handling James Bond. They bought that Metro Goldwin Studio and

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that was okay, James Bond, I have the rights and stuff,

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but they can't make anything because the people that have

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you know, James Bond is their family era not giving them.

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Speaker 2: They need to approve that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and they're not happy with just Amazon as a whole,

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the Falcons, the.

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Speaker 2: Whatever. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I mean, like in one hand, like I I respect

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them like really trying to protect like what James Bond is,

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like the more genuine version of it, Like they don't

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want to just dilute it in a certain way, which

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I think could very much happen when when something big

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purchases something. I feel like we've seen that sometimes with

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Disney and Star Wars. I mean, and like not to

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say like it's only been bad from Disney purchasing Star Wars,

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and not to discount the potential greatness that could come

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out of you know, them being a little bit more

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open opening their borders to the legs of Amazon when

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it comes to to Bond eating their broccolis. But I

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don't know, I it's it's also tough because, like I

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don't know everything that was suggest Like I was said,

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I don't know if they were like complete assholes towards them,

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Like I don't know all the details beyond kind of

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you know, the seventy percent that I grasped from what

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you were laying out to me there. But uh, it's

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it's a spicy situation. I feel like I'm also like

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no Time to Die that came out. It's going to

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be a couple of years now, but it still feels

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so recent. I think because it was just such a

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big journey with the Craig films that personally I'm not

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really like itching for another Bond film. I guess just

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knowing I have another mission impossible on the on the

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Rise like that that's going to be scratching that itch,

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I guess, And yeah, I don't. I don't know. So

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on on one hand, I feel like at the end

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of this, without a lot of context and knowing fully

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what's going on behind the scenes, I feel like I'm

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siding more with the Broccolis.

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Speaker 2: With this, with this one over the ice cream.

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Speaker 3: But uh, yeah, I probably missed a lot of other

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things you said, but you guys on something else.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's uh It's kind of funny to me because

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what you're talking about there of like them wanting to

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protect from just like diluting the property by just making

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Suff's like it's been like.

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Speaker 2: Twenty something James Bond movies.

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Speaker 4: Like I feel like they just let it ride, Like

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they just let it roll and raking in that Broccoli money.

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Speaker 2: Like I don't know, like, are they do they really care.

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Speaker 3: Maybe quality of it or maybe all of those versions

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of them making or all the people making those movies

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were just really like open to everything that the Broccolis

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were suggesting, and they just were hitting all those boxes

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where maybe Amazon is like, yeah, no, we're not gonna

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do that, We're gonna do our own thing, and then

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that could be like a straight up like maybe maybe

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they're just getting older and angrier in their old age.

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I don't know much about the broccoli fan.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I guess my read on it is more that

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like maybe they just see it as like, oh, now

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that Amazon owns this, we can strong arm them because

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they have so much more and we can get a

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shit ton of money out of this.

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 4: It's like, I don't know they really care about the

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quality of these things. I feel like there's really ups

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and downs with Bond. I don't know how precious they

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really are with it, but just seems like a weird

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hill to do after we've had so many movies already.

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But I'm also in the same boat as you, kirkha

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where I'm not a big Bond guy. But any you mean,

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I've seen a handful of the movies, don't really none

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of them are really like my favorites by any means,

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just wait five at least five years, ten years before

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we get a new one, take some time, let the

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property breathe a bit.

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Speaker 2: We're gonna get that game from IOI.

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Speaker 4: I don't know if we're gonna get anything else. I

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guess if they're probably not allowing TV shows or anything

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like that, as the article mentioned, so, but there's nothing

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wrong with that to just let something, let something live,

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let something die, let people stew on that for a

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while and come back later. There's tons of other movies

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in that genre.

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Speaker 2: So I don't know. I guess I'm not.

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Speaker 4: I don't really care one way the other what happens here,

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But yeah, I don't know. The whole thing does seem

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like may be a ploy to just try and get

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a little bit more money. I mean, i'd be interesting

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to hear, like because it sounds like Amazon acquired not

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just Bond, right, they acquired MGM, which that was like

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a subsidiary of it. And I wonder what Amazon was

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what they had their sights on when they made that purchase,

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was bond A big part of that? Was it half

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of why they wanted to buy it was like almost

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all of it. I'd have to go through and look

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at the properties other things that they acquired with that acquisition.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, I.

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Speaker 4: Guess it's kind of lame if they like spend all

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that money with the intention of getting bonded. But like

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they probably also would have known that there's like the

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there's broccoli gate going on here and they got to go.

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Speaker 2: Through that if they want to make these movies.

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Speaker 4: So but also like I have no sympathy for Amazon

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as a company, So like, you know, if that if

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they just lost.

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Speaker 2: Bunch money, who cares? That's fine to me.

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Speaker 4: I'm sure they make it back in seventeen seconds with

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with their website there.

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Speaker 2: So uh, yeah, this all feels like a bunch. This

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feels like a high school drama or something like.

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Speaker 4: All these people's you know, having these little fights over

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meaningless little things.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's at the end of the day. I feel

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like it just it does come down to money, but

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I mean the Broccolis, it feels like, Okay, it's a

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little bit more than that. It's a legacy to their

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family with this character. And you know, you're you're starting

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a you're starting something new. And I feel like, Okay,

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all of these James Bond movies, I'm not very well

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affiliated with them, but I feel like it's all one

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continued narrative over the past like half a century, like

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these movies have been coming out. I feel like, of

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course it's been different actors portraying this character, but I

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feel like it's all just been one consistent, like ongoing narrative.

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Right Like the James Bond that we have here is

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the same one that's gone through all these adventures to

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like thirty years ago. But what we're seeing right now is, Okay,

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Amazon wants to put their stamp on it, to put

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their mark on it, and do a new story, new

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James Bond actor. All of that's just start fresh, and

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that probably puts a lot of pressure on them because

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it's it's putting them into a corner and it's not

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necessarily giving them probably a lot as not as much

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as creative freedom as they really really want or were

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hoping for. And it doesn't sound like they necessarily had

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to say in Amazon buying the Metro gold Win and

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just kind of taking those rights. It sounds like, okay,

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that was just that happened and they just had to

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run with it. I remember at the time, I think

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people were pretty happy about it when Amazon bought them

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and they we're just going to get a little bit

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more because I think that was probably coming off when

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I can't remember what the last James Bond movie is

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titled No Time to Die. Okay, Yeah, so that one

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was kind of, you know, the end of this this

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era with Daniel Craig. But yeah, it's it's unfortunate that

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they're they're kind of hitting an impass here and they're

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not able to come to an agreement and pump something

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else out. But the only time will tell, you know,

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they got to just come to a resolution, come to

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an agreement, calm down, and stop calling each other fucking idiots.

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So yeah, anything else on the almost said James Gun dispute,

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James Bond Dispute, Mullow, oh else, okay.