1 00:00:00,520 --> 00:00:04,160 Speaker 1: Upgrade your optic with Hollisen, where innovation meets precision. With 2 00:00:04,240 --> 00:00:07,759 fifty thousand hours of battery life, shake away technology and 3 00:00:07,839 --> 00:00:10,439 a solar failsafe, your optic is always ready when you 4 00:00:10,480 --> 00:00:13,320 are Hollosen confidence in every shot. 5 00:00:15,640 --> 00:00:17,839 Speaker 2: Hey, welcome back to gun Talk. Tom Gresham here, give 6 00:00:17,879 --> 00:00:19,640 me a holler. Of course, it's easy to call you, 7 00:00:19,679 --> 00:00:21,480 and you know, just call me a Tom Talk gun 8 00:00:21,760 --> 00:00:25,239 We're looking at what's going on getting ready for well 9 00:00:25,280 --> 00:00:27,719 the summer season, because people do a lot of shooting 10 00:00:27,760 --> 00:00:30,600 in the summer. Well, I'm here to tell you it's 11 00:00:30,640 --> 00:00:33,079 not too early to start thinking about fall as well, 12 00:00:33,240 --> 00:00:35,320 because if you got something to get ready for the 13 00:00:35,359 --> 00:00:38,240 fall hunting season, we got to talk about that and 14 00:00:38,399 --> 00:00:40,439 to talk about a lot of that and one of 15 00:00:40,479 --> 00:00:42,960 the coolest products, frankly that came out a shot show 16 00:00:43,000 --> 00:00:45,759 where people are going that is amazing. We're joined by 17 00:00:46,240 --> 00:00:49,759 Jerry Grove, also known as Box. How you doing, my friend? 18 00:00:50,560 --> 00:00:51,840 Speaker 3: I am doing great? Tom. 19 00:00:52,399 --> 00:00:57,240 Speaker 2: Well, all right, so you guys at the Shot Show launched, Well, 20 00:00:57,240 --> 00:00:59,079 you had to play copter out and then you had 21 00:00:59,320 --> 00:01:04,239 the hand thrower and the cool different targets. If you would, 22 00:01:04,359 --> 00:01:06,799 Let's back up, don't assume that everybody knows what we're 23 00:01:06,840 --> 00:01:10,159 talking about, because this is like, for I want to say, 24 00:01:10,159 --> 00:01:13,280 for clay target shooters, but it's not clay targets. It's 25 00:01:13,280 --> 00:01:16,120 a it's a flying target that you should let's call 26 00:01:16,200 --> 00:01:18,640 it this. It's a flying target you shoot with the shotgun. 27 00:01:18,640 --> 00:01:22,200 Speaker 4: How's that's that's a pretty pretty good description. 28 00:01:22,400 --> 00:01:24,840 Speaker 3: It's a what we like to say is a new 29 00:01:24,840 --> 00:01:25,799 way to clay. 30 00:01:26,040 --> 00:01:28,879 Speaker 2: A new way to clay. It's a thing spins up. 31 00:01:28,959 --> 00:01:32,200 It's got its own little circle with wings, and you 32 00:01:32,400 --> 00:01:34,480 pull the trigger on it and shoot it like a gun. 33 00:01:34,519 --> 00:01:37,599 And this thing goes firing out there, and I mean, 34 00:01:37,760 --> 00:01:40,200 how far is the farthest you can get this thing? 35 00:01:40,239 --> 00:01:44,159 Speaker 4: To go with the clay copper targets. You're right, Tom, 36 00:01:44,319 --> 00:01:48,319 they're a spinning target, and the fastest speed there's different 37 00:01:48,359 --> 00:01:52,799 speed settings. At fifteen thousand RPMs, we can get about 38 00:01:52,840 --> 00:01:56,879 one hundred yards on one of those there and there again, 39 00:01:56,959 --> 00:01:58,640 like the way we say a new way to clay, 40 00:01:58,920 --> 00:02:01,920 if you haven't seen one, they're kind of hard to describe, 41 00:02:01,959 --> 00:02:05,519 but imagine almost like the toy that kids have where 42 00:02:05,560 --> 00:02:08,560 they pull the string and the helicopter thing spins up 43 00:02:08,560 --> 00:02:09,439 and the problems. 44 00:02:09,520 --> 00:02:12,000 Speaker 2: Yes, it is very that. 45 00:02:12,120 --> 00:02:15,400 Speaker 4: And uh but we we really wanted to. I mean, 46 00:02:15,400 --> 00:02:17,879 clay pigeons are over one hundred and fifty years old. 47 00:02:18,039 --> 00:02:21,199 You know, they were trying to find something besides the 48 00:02:21,680 --> 00:02:23,400 birds and glass balls to shoot. 49 00:02:23,520 --> 00:02:26,240 Speaker 3: So and uh, you know that's been around a long time. 50 00:02:26,280 --> 00:02:28,719 Speaker 4: But we're kind of trying to think of what's the 51 00:02:28,800 --> 00:02:31,520 next thing, what's something to what to how to answer 52 00:02:31,800 --> 00:02:35,560 the some of the pain points of the durability the 53 00:02:36,039 --> 00:02:37,439 transport of a clay pigeons. 54 00:02:38,879 --> 00:02:41,719 Speaker 2: Those cases of clay targets are heavy and shipping those 55 00:02:41,800 --> 00:02:43,840 around is a beast and then you got to store 56 00:02:43,840 --> 00:02:45,039 them and everything else and. 57 00:02:45,680 --> 00:02:46,840 Speaker 3: You get a lot of breakage. 58 00:02:47,039 --> 00:02:48,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, good point. 59 00:02:49,520 --> 00:02:52,759 Speaker 4: So we we were like, well, portability with a clay thrower, 60 00:02:53,199 --> 00:02:57,800 the target, the launcher, all that's a concern. Uh, easy use, 61 00:02:57,960 --> 00:03:00,879 like pulling springs and heavy springs and stuff. And so 62 00:03:01,520 --> 00:03:05,719 there's been several attempts at a different type of target 63 00:03:05,759 --> 00:03:08,199 and spending props for nothing new. And you know, if 64 00:03:08,199 --> 00:03:11,439 you're really really deep into into shotguns shooting, like like 65 00:03:11,520 --> 00:03:14,759 I am, you know we've shot heelis or zz bird 66 00:03:14,840 --> 00:03:16,240 or whatever you want to call it for a long 67 00:03:16,280 --> 00:03:21,199 time but that that's really really expensive and you have 68 00:03:21,280 --> 00:03:25,159 to have dedicated basically a dedicated range, and there's no 69 00:03:25,240 --> 00:03:27,759 portability to it in the and you know, talking through 70 00:03:27,800 --> 00:03:29,800 the whole thing, and it's like, guys, if you can't 71 00:03:29,800 --> 00:03:34,759 make a target system that the consumer can go get 72 00:03:35,439 --> 00:03:39,360 the consumable part of it, the target where they currently 73 00:03:39,439 --> 00:03:42,159 buy their clay pigeons, then then it's gonna be a 74 00:03:42,199 --> 00:03:45,120 really hard sell. And luckily we worked through all that. 75 00:03:45,159 --> 00:03:46,840 We came up with a target that's made out of 76 00:03:46,840 --> 00:03:51,520 a biodegradable material. They're there, they appear to be plastic, 77 00:03:51,520 --> 00:03:53,439 but I want to be very very clear, they are 78 00:03:53,439 --> 00:03:56,680 not plastic. They're made out of plant starch with some 79 00:03:56,840 --> 00:04:00,280 mineral ground up mineral in them to give them some weight. 80 00:04:00,560 --> 00:04:05,439 They're biodegradable, they're all independently certified, they're non toxic. Very 81 00:04:05,479 --> 00:04:08,560 good that everybody's concerned about plastics these days. But truth 82 00:04:08,639 --> 00:04:10,599 of the matter is the plastic that goes down range 83 00:04:10,639 --> 00:04:13,360 when we're shooting is from the shotgun waden, not from 84 00:04:13,400 --> 00:04:13,879 our target. 85 00:04:14,159 --> 00:04:16,000 Speaker 3: Okay, well, there's no classic in that. 86 00:04:16,079 --> 00:04:17,800 Speaker 2: And people want to take a look at this Caldwell 87 00:04:17,879 --> 00:04:20,160 Shooting dot com that can see all they need and 88 00:04:20,199 --> 00:04:22,720 there's lots of videos now, but you know you started 89 00:04:22,720 --> 00:04:25,720 with one launcher. Now you got multiple different types of launchers. 90 00:04:26,079 --> 00:04:28,399 Speaker 4: So two years at SHOT we showed the original with 91 00:04:28,480 --> 00:04:33,040 the handheld with a battery, right huge, man, so cool. 92 00:04:33,160 --> 00:04:36,279 Speaker 3: See how fast it took off. We knew at Shot show. 93 00:04:36,120 --> 00:04:39,319 Speaker 4: That year from everybody's feedback, we already had I had 94 00:04:39,439 --> 00:04:43,240 like a five year roadmap. Our execs for saw the excitement. 95 00:04:43,279 --> 00:04:45,399 Our sales team got all the excitement from the buyers, 96 00:04:45,399 --> 00:04:48,759 and they said, we're gonna do all of it right now, 97 00:04:48,800 --> 00:04:50,639 and we're gonna watch it next year's Shot, which I 98 00:04:50,759 --> 00:04:54,879 was like, I thought was very very aggressive, but we put. 99 00:04:54,759 --> 00:04:58,439 Speaker 2: You think it okay, we think we can do this, boss. 100 00:04:58,480 --> 00:04:59,000 Thanks ye. 101 00:05:00,160 --> 00:05:03,959 Speaker 4: Taking all the all the consumer feedback, and the consumer 102 00:05:04,000 --> 00:05:07,720 feedback kind of just reaffirmed what we were already thinking. 103 00:05:08,279 --> 00:05:11,040 We came up with two new launchers and three new targets. 104 00:05:11,040 --> 00:05:14,360 This year, we came up with another handheld that's strict, 105 00:05:14,439 --> 00:05:15,319 pure mechanical. 106 00:05:16,120 --> 00:05:18,480 Speaker 3: We call Launcher, no battery, no batteries. 107 00:05:18,560 --> 00:05:20,639 Speaker 2: Got like a your pull cord like you would on 108 00:05:20,680 --> 00:05:21,920 the lawnmower. 109 00:05:22,160 --> 00:05:25,800 Speaker 4: Exactly exactly yet just a pull cord just like your lawnmower, 110 00:05:26,120 --> 00:05:27,800 and we can throw targets, you know. 111 00:05:28,279 --> 00:05:30,600 Speaker 3: Easily sixty to eighty yards with that. 112 00:05:31,720 --> 00:05:34,199 Speaker 4: The great thing about that that's going to be somewhere 113 00:05:34,279 --> 00:05:36,519 under one hundred dollars. I've been seeing some of those 114 00:05:37,000 --> 00:05:40,439 on our MSRPs ninety nine to ninety nine street retail 115 00:05:40,480 --> 00:05:40,839 on that. 116 00:05:40,879 --> 00:05:42,279 Speaker 3: Is somewhere around ninety dollars. 117 00:05:42,279 --> 00:05:43,920 Speaker 4: So a great way if you're if you don't shoot 118 00:05:43,920 --> 00:05:46,480 a lot and you don't want to spend the two 119 00:05:46,600 --> 00:05:49,160 hundred dollars that the electric one is, here's a way 120 00:05:49,199 --> 00:05:52,199 to experience it, test it out, see if you really 121 00:05:52,279 --> 00:05:54,920 like it. It's something that you're gonna, you know, stick with, 122 00:05:54,959 --> 00:05:58,000 and then you can upgrade. The thing that has everybody 123 00:05:58,079 --> 00:06:00,720 really excited. And the thing that that I thought was 124 00:06:00,759 --> 00:06:03,279 going to take us years and years to develop is 125 00:06:03,319 --> 00:06:05,920 a launcher. Will call them the surface to air and 126 00:06:06,000 --> 00:06:08,120 it is a battery launcher, but it sits on the 127 00:06:08,120 --> 00:06:12,800 ground and holds fifty targets in a stack and so 128 00:06:13,000 --> 00:06:20,120 that will feed and you can remote launch it. 129 00:06:17,279 --> 00:06:20,439 Speaker 2: With a remote so you can kind of think of 130 00:06:20,480 --> 00:06:24,199 it as like a traditional clay target thrower. The way 131 00:06:24,199 --> 00:06:26,879 you can stack them up and it's over there and 132 00:06:26,920 --> 00:06:27,680 you're over here. 133 00:06:28,160 --> 00:06:30,519 Speaker 4: So one of the cool things is that uses an app, 134 00:06:30,600 --> 00:06:33,560 a free app, and you can bluetooth to your phone 135 00:06:33,600 --> 00:06:37,199 and then you can control up to ten devices. You 136 00:06:37,240 --> 00:06:40,199 can launch them from up to one hundred yards away, 137 00:06:40,839 --> 00:06:42,439 and you can do a cool feature. One of my 138 00:06:42,480 --> 00:06:46,399 favorites is touch to launch, where you take a picture 139 00:06:46,600 --> 00:06:49,040 of the downrange and wherever you tap on the screen 140 00:06:49,120 --> 00:06:53,319 is where it will aim and fire the targets. So 141 00:06:53,360 --> 00:06:56,160 it does really cool stuff like that. And then also 142 00:06:56,839 --> 00:06:59,240 that I don't think that anybody can really do on 143 00:06:59,279 --> 00:07:01,800 their own property is it has a UV light built 144 00:07:01,839 --> 00:07:03,839 into the head and we make a glow in the 145 00:07:03,920 --> 00:07:07,560 dark target and the lights charge it, so you can 146 00:07:07,600 --> 00:07:10,480 go out on your own property and shoot these glue 147 00:07:10,480 --> 00:07:13,439 in the dark plays. It's becoming pretty popular at at 148 00:07:13,519 --> 00:07:15,519 Sporting at Sporting Clays. 149 00:07:15,319 --> 00:07:17,519 Speaker 2: Range, right, so you can shoots. 150 00:07:17,600 --> 00:07:20,519 Speaker 4: Yeah, that requires special lights, right and all sorts of 151 00:07:20,560 --> 00:07:23,759 like stadium whites basically, and. 152 00:07:23,639 --> 00:07:27,680 Speaker 2: This is a UV light that charges the phosphorescent if 153 00:07:27,720 --> 00:07:30,319 you will, in the target and then it fires and 154 00:07:30,399 --> 00:07:32,560 you can see this thing glowing going across. 155 00:07:32,279 --> 00:07:37,240 Speaker 4: The sky exactly and when you hit them, they explode 156 00:07:37,240 --> 00:07:38,600 like fireworks. 157 00:07:38,879 --> 00:07:43,360 Speaker 2: Box you know, I've seen two reactions, and almost always 158 00:07:43,360 --> 00:07:45,279 you get the same two reactions when people see this. 159 00:07:45,959 --> 00:07:49,839 The first time they see a target go, it's like wow, 160 00:07:49,959 --> 00:07:50,639 that's fast. 161 00:07:51,360 --> 00:07:51,680 Speaker 3: Wow. 162 00:07:51,920 --> 00:07:53,959 Speaker 2: I mean it's like I better get on my game here. 163 00:07:54,360 --> 00:07:59,120 And then the second reaction is people start giggling. It's 164 00:07:59,160 --> 00:08:02,480 like this, this is insane, this is so much fun. 165 00:08:02,560 --> 00:08:06,199 And then of course you go down to the gun 166 00:08:06,240 --> 00:08:08,439 Talk studio said, you're in the studio there, you're trying 167 00:08:08,480 --> 00:08:10,680 to demo this thing. And I don't know if you 168 00:08:10,759 --> 00:08:12,879 met too or what happened, but you let one go 169 00:08:13,000 --> 00:08:15,600 inside the studio. This target is bouncing off of studio 170 00:08:15,759 --> 00:08:18,240 lights and going all over the place. It was like 171 00:08:18,279 --> 00:08:19,639 a scene out of a movie. Man. 172 00:08:20,720 --> 00:08:23,720 Speaker 4: Yeah, we we may or may not. 173 00:08:23,839 --> 00:08:25,040 Speaker 3: That was a genuine reaction. 174 00:08:25,160 --> 00:08:28,079 Speaker 4: We we tried it on the low setting, and I 175 00:08:28,120 --> 00:08:30,800 was like, I don't know, and we'll just say. 176 00:08:30,720 --> 00:08:34,120 Speaker 3: kJ did it. Yeah it wasn't. 177 00:08:34,159 --> 00:08:34,480 Speaker 5: It wasn't. 178 00:08:34,519 --> 00:08:37,080 Speaker 2: Mere Ryan, that'd be typical. He says, go ahead and 179 00:08:37,080 --> 00:08:38,519 said it to high. Let's see what happens. 180 00:08:38,600 --> 00:08:41,000 Speaker 3: Right, It might have went one notch too many on 181 00:08:41,080 --> 00:08:44,960 the old speed control of it. Yeah, oh god. 182 00:08:45,799 --> 00:08:47,879 Speaker 4: The camera guys are fast on their feet though, in 183 00:08:47,919 --> 00:08:49,080 their own credit getting out of. 184 00:08:49,080 --> 00:08:51,240 Speaker 3: The way they dodged is pretty good. 185 00:08:52,639 --> 00:08:55,600 Speaker 2: Well, it is an amazing technology, and for anybody that 186 00:08:55,720 --> 00:08:58,159 likes to shoot shotguns, I would say, take a look 187 00:08:58,200 --> 00:08:59,639 at it and oh yeah. The main thing is that 188 00:08:59,799 --> 00:09:02,200 they want to get out is Yeah, he announced it 189 00:09:02,240 --> 00:09:04,759 the shot Show. Everybod kept saying, well, where is it? 190 00:09:04,799 --> 00:09:06,799 When can I get it? Well, the answer is they 191 00:09:06,840 --> 00:09:09,200 are shipping right now, and in a week or so 192 00:09:09,240 --> 00:09:10,399 they'll be at dealers. Right. 193 00:09:11,240 --> 00:09:14,159 Speaker 4: I was so happy last week to come in and 194 00:09:14,240 --> 00:09:17,639 see shipments coming through the warehouse and receiving in and 195 00:09:17,720 --> 00:09:20,759 processing and going through QC and going out and everything 196 00:09:21,279 --> 00:09:23,320 is going just right according to plants. 197 00:09:23,320 --> 00:09:25,279 Speaker 3: And we're hoping around May first. 198 00:09:26,000 --> 00:09:29,200 Speaker 4: The dealers, the retailers are still start having them in 199 00:09:29,240 --> 00:09:33,000 their shelves on their websites for order. We got them 200 00:09:33,039 --> 00:09:35,480 here for May, just in time for the nice weather. 201 00:09:35,720 --> 00:09:37,720 Speaker 2: Yeah exactly. I would just tell people, look, if you're 202 00:09:38,000 --> 00:09:40,440 still trying to figure out what we're talking about, honestly, 203 00:09:40,440 --> 00:09:42,320 the best way to go is to go look at 204 00:09:42,320 --> 00:09:44,200 the videos. There are a lot of videos of them online. 205 00:09:44,240 --> 00:09:46,279 We've got them over at our gun Talk website, but 206 00:09:46,600 --> 00:09:49,320 you can go to callwell shooting dot com and look 207 00:09:49,360 --> 00:09:53,440 at the demos there. It's an amazing technology and I 208 00:09:53,480 --> 00:09:55,399 am just excited with what you guys have done. 209 00:09:55,720 --> 00:09:58,799 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's been It's been one of my funnest, funnest 210 00:09:58,840 --> 00:10:00,360 things I've ever got to do well. 211 00:10:00,399 --> 00:10:01,879 Speaker 2: And the other thing is that before we go, I 212 00:10:01,879 --> 00:10:05,480 got to say that, Look, we're heading into summer, before 213 00:10:05,519 --> 00:10:07,840 you know it, we're we heading into fall, and a 214 00:10:07,840 --> 00:10:09,519 lot of people wait till the last minute to get 215 00:10:09,519 --> 00:10:12,039 their guns ready to tune things up. And you guys 216 00:10:12,080 --> 00:10:15,519 have products for cleaning guns for reloading and the precision 217 00:10:15,559 --> 00:10:18,600 shooting we were talking about earlier is that everybody's trying 218 00:10:18,639 --> 00:10:20,879 to make better AMMO. I want to say something here 219 00:10:20,919 --> 00:10:23,840 that I haven't mentioned on the air, and I recently 220 00:10:23,879 --> 00:10:25,960 I'm not going to name the company, but I was 221 00:10:26,000 --> 00:10:29,240 recently shooting some AMMO from a brand name company and 222 00:10:29,279 --> 00:10:32,240 it was terrible. I mean, we're talking about some really 223 00:10:32,360 --> 00:10:35,480 lousy accuracy out of what you would normally think it 224 00:10:35,480 --> 00:10:38,000 was really good AMMO. And so what I'm just going 225 00:10:38,039 --> 00:10:41,799 to say that to encourage people to don't assume that 226 00:10:41,840 --> 00:10:44,720 because it is a major brand that you're getting good ammo. 227 00:10:44,840 --> 00:10:46,840 You've got to go out and test it and shoot 228 00:10:46,879 --> 00:10:49,679 it and honestly box. It's the reason that a lot 229 00:10:49,720 --> 00:10:51,000 of people reload their own AMMO. 230 00:10:51,480 --> 00:10:54,200 Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, I mean that's kind of seems to be 231 00:10:54,320 --> 00:10:58,360 the natural lifestyle. Right as we start, we start with 232 00:10:58,399 --> 00:11:01,679 factory ammo, you have to buy a bunch of different ones, 233 00:11:01,840 --> 00:11:05,200 as one load doesn't always work in every gun every time. 234 00:11:05,200 --> 00:11:07,279 It's a little but to here, and then you're kind 235 00:11:07,279 --> 00:11:10,399 of at the you're at the mercy of the manufacturer 236 00:11:10,440 --> 00:11:14,039 to say you will shoot this bullet at this with 237 00:11:14,120 --> 00:11:14,879 this set up, with. 238 00:11:14,840 --> 00:11:17,960 Speaker 3: This powder, with this speed. Well what if you don't 239 00:11:18,000 --> 00:11:20,240 want that combo but you like that. 240 00:11:20,240 --> 00:11:23,159 Speaker 4: Bullet or you like that that uh, that's not the 241 00:11:23,200 --> 00:11:24,480 accuracy node for your out. 242 00:11:24,679 --> 00:11:25,600 Speaker 3: Well that's what I love. 243 00:11:25,480 --> 00:11:28,720 Speaker 4: About reloading tom is that I get to pick and 244 00:11:28,799 --> 00:11:32,960 tune myself, you know, and make all the make the 245 00:11:33,000 --> 00:11:39,039 whole system uh work, not not just try to randomly 246 00:11:39,080 --> 00:11:40,960 fit the pieces into the puzzles. 247 00:11:41,200 --> 00:11:42,559 Speaker 3: You get to build the piece, I guess. 248 00:11:42,799 --> 00:11:44,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, So I just kind of want to put that 249 00:11:44,440 --> 00:11:46,679 be in people's bodies. Look, go out and shoot it 250 00:11:46,720 --> 00:11:48,679 with the AMO that you're going to hunt with, and 251 00:11:48,759 --> 00:11:52,000 make sure that that combo of that AMMO and your 252 00:11:52,120 --> 00:11:54,679 rifle work. Well, if they don't change something, yeah, you 253 00:11:54,759 --> 00:11:57,039 might get into reloading it might even try something else. 254 00:11:57,679 --> 00:11:59,720 And I also want to just drive them to call well, 255 00:11:59,720 --> 00:12:02,440 because you guys make all sorts of stuff for shooting. 256 00:12:02,559 --> 00:12:05,600 And of course you've got your family companies. I guess 257 00:12:05,759 --> 00:12:07,879 you want to run through just the names of some 258 00:12:07,919 --> 00:12:10,000 of the other companies in your family there. 259 00:12:10,799 --> 00:12:15,200 Speaker 4: Yeah, so the holding company, we're American outdoor brands, and 260 00:12:15,279 --> 00:12:18,799 so I'll do the marketing for what we call our 261 00:12:18,840 --> 00:12:19,600 shooting brands. 262 00:12:19,639 --> 00:12:20,960 Speaker 3: So Calviell is the big one. 263 00:12:21,080 --> 00:12:24,320 Speaker 4: I also have a wheeler which is the fat wrench, 264 00:12:24,320 --> 00:12:28,600 and all the tools, the gunsmithing tools, your optics mounting 265 00:12:28,639 --> 00:12:31,799 and all that tipton which is your cleaning. I say, 266 00:12:32,320 --> 00:12:35,279 good clean rifle, need that to shoot at. And then 267 00:12:35,360 --> 00:12:38,559 frankfort Arsenal, which is the reloading. On the other side 268 00:12:38,600 --> 00:12:43,080 of the business, we have our hunting side, which is bogs, 269 00:12:43,159 --> 00:12:47,399 so the tripods, the bog death grips and those are 270 00:12:47,480 --> 00:12:50,360 really what they're known for. We have Hui Man, which 271 00:12:50,399 --> 00:12:55,080 is like limb sauce spreaders, more of the food plot 272 00:12:55,159 --> 00:13:00,720 land management stuff. We also have several nights brands. We 273 00:13:00,799 --> 00:13:07,559 own a charade old timer. We have the license for 274 00:13:07,639 --> 00:13:10,320 Smith and Weston Cutlery, so we do quite a bit 275 00:13:10,360 --> 00:13:14,080 of cutlery stuff, Uncle Henry. There's several brands on the 276 00:13:14,080 --> 00:13:17,960 culory side. We have a grill company named Grilla Grills 277 00:13:18,799 --> 00:13:20,879 and another one that we started. We started a brand 278 00:13:20,879 --> 00:13:23,879 called Meat several years ago. That's all game processing. 279 00:13:24,480 --> 00:13:26,120 Speaker 2: It is barbecue time right now. 280 00:13:26,840 --> 00:13:30,000 Speaker 3: Oh it's barbecue time. Oh yeah, great time. 281 00:13:31,000 --> 00:13:33,360 Speaker 4: Well we also, Man, I'll be in trouble if I 282 00:13:33,399 --> 00:13:36,600 don't mention we got a fishing brand named Bubba, so 283 00:13:37,120 --> 00:13:40,840 file at knife since they do these smart scales. 284 00:13:40,440 --> 00:13:41,360 Speaker 3: And all that stuff. 285 00:13:41,519 --> 00:13:45,000 Speaker 4: Okay, So I say, if there's an outdoor activity, we're 286 00:13:45,039 --> 00:13:48,080 probably in it, and if we're not, we're probably considered. 287 00:13:49,000 --> 00:13:51,120 Speaker 2: We're about to get into it. People have got to 288 00:13:51,120 --> 00:13:52,759 go look at the clay Copera. It's one of the 289 00:13:52,919 --> 00:13:55,360 I mean, seriously, here's one of the coolest, most fun 290 00:13:55,440 --> 00:13:56,759 things I've seen in a while. 291 00:13:57,559 --> 00:13:59,759 Speaker 3: Man, everybody's really excited about it. 292 00:14:00,639 --> 00:14:00,840 Speaker 2: Yeah. 293 00:14:00,919 --> 00:14:02,960 Speaker 3: I think if you go look at it's worth your time. 294 00:14:03,279 --> 00:14:04,960 Speaker 2: Box. I appreciate your time, my friend. 295 00:14:05,279 --> 00:14:06,879 Speaker 3: Awesome. Always great talking to you, Tom. 296 00:14:06,840 --> 00:14:11,039 Speaker 2: And you take care all right? Coming up in handguns, 297 00:14:11,200 --> 00:14:14,840 what's old is new again. 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You're redical. 345 00:16:45,559 --> 00:16:45,960 Speaker 2: Whatever. 346 00:16:46,639 --> 00:16:49,639 Speaker 6: Have some fun and stay informed with the gun Talk podcast. 347 00:17:03,799 --> 00:17:06,240 Speaker 2: Just think about that interview with Box talking about the 348 00:17:06,680 --> 00:17:11,839 clay copper. We were out Friday. I guess, yeah, a 349 00:17:11,880 --> 00:17:14,720 couple of days ago on the hillside behind the house here, 350 00:17:14,759 --> 00:17:16,480 I say hillside. We got a mountain bind a house 351 00:17:17,200 --> 00:17:20,240 and we were shooting pistols. But we found this area. 352 00:17:20,279 --> 00:17:23,680 We said, you know, we could throw clays here, and 353 00:17:23,680 --> 00:17:26,480 I'm looking at it going actually, we could use a 354 00:17:26,480 --> 00:17:30,200 clay copper here. So this week I'm going to shoot 355 00:17:30,200 --> 00:17:33,039 it out to the Box and say, hey, I need one 356 00:17:33,079 --> 00:17:34,960 of those things, and I need a good supply targets. 357 00:17:35,000 --> 00:17:37,000 We're going to give it a test run out here, 358 00:17:37,000 --> 00:17:39,279 a T and E if you will, so a test 359 00:17:39,279 --> 00:17:41,640 and evaluation. So we're going to be shooting some of 360 00:17:41,640 --> 00:17:43,920 that up here. That's where we were back there, shooting 361 00:17:43,920 --> 00:17:47,960 to different pistols. I took that one commander sized pistol. 362 00:17:48,000 --> 00:17:49,599 I just wanted to run a lot of rounds through it. 363 00:17:49,640 --> 00:17:53,960 To probably put one hundred rounds through it. There is 364 00:17:54,000 --> 00:17:58,400 a real difference in recoil from a lightweight Commander forty 365 00:17:58,400 --> 00:18:01,519 five to a full sized steel. The full sized steel 366 00:18:02,200 --> 00:18:04,640 is just kind of a it's not a pussy cat 367 00:18:04,680 --> 00:18:08,079 like a nine, because a full sized steel nineteen eleven 368 00:18:08,079 --> 00:18:12,440 and nine shoots so sweet and you definitely have more recoil. Well, 369 00:18:12,440 --> 00:18:15,759 think about it this way. In the forty five, I'm 370 00:18:15,839 --> 00:18:18,720 using regular ball AMMO two hundred and thirty grain bullet 371 00:18:19,839 --> 00:18:24,200 in the nine. For typically for practice, AMO, your bullet 372 00:18:24,240 --> 00:18:27,920 is one hundred and fifteen grains. It is half the weight. 373 00:18:29,240 --> 00:18:32,519 The forty five store a bullet that has twice the weight, 374 00:18:33,240 --> 00:18:35,759 So you're going to get a significant increase in recoil, 375 00:18:36,240 --> 00:18:39,920 just no getting around it. And I know going in, yeah, 376 00:18:39,920 --> 00:18:41,599 I'm gonna go shoot this thing at gun site. We're 377 00:18:41,640 --> 00:18:44,519 going to do five days of shooting with these, and 378 00:18:44,599 --> 00:18:46,960 it would be more comfortable and I would have faster 379 00:18:47,240 --> 00:18:49,759 recovery time if I was shooting nine. I get that, 380 00:18:51,480 --> 00:18:55,039 but I'm not in competition and I'm not working a timer, 381 00:18:55,119 --> 00:18:58,839 and you know, yeah, you're always kind of in competition. 382 00:18:58,960 --> 00:19:00,799 You want to do as well or better than other 383 00:19:00,839 --> 00:19:04,359 people in the class. But I also just like the 384 00:19:04,400 --> 00:19:06,480 idea of shooting the forty five. This goes back to 385 00:19:06,480 --> 00:19:08,680 what I was talking about earlier. Sometimes I carry a 386 00:19:08,680 --> 00:19:12,640 gun not necessarily because it's the best, but just because 387 00:19:12,640 --> 00:19:15,279 it's what I want to carry that day. Sometimes it's 388 00:19:15,319 --> 00:19:18,880 a revolver, Well, why would you do that? Well, sometimes 389 00:19:18,920 --> 00:19:21,160 I've got a seven shot three fifty seven magnum three 390 00:19:21,160 --> 00:19:23,960 inch barrel. I just think that'd be a good gun 391 00:19:24,000 --> 00:19:27,000 to carry today, and I could probably solve most problems 392 00:19:27,000 --> 00:19:29,799 with that. There aren't a whole lot of self defense 393 00:19:29,920 --> 00:19:34,799 issues I can't solve with that. So and look, I understand, 394 00:19:35,680 --> 00:19:39,920 I completely admit that my approach to this doesn't make 395 00:19:39,960 --> 00:19:43,960 a whole lot of sense. Sometimes I'm carrying a micro nine. 396 00:19:44,000 --> 00:19:47,279 Sometimes I'm carrying a full size nine. Sometimes it's a 397 00:19:47,279 --> 00:19:50,680 full size or compact forty five nineteen eleven or a 398 00:19:50,720 --> 00:19:57,640 nine milevater of nineteen eleven, or a bigger revolver, or 399 00:19:57,680 --> 00:20:04,000 you're a small revolver. I don't know. It's the thing. 400 00:20:04,119 --> 00:20:06,759 I just I like these different guns, and they're they're fun. 401 00:20:07,759 --> 00:20:11,559 I gotta go check my AMMO and look, I know, 402 00:20:11,920 --> 00:20:13,640 and I gotta look into this. I don't have it. 403 00:20:14,759 --> 00:20:19,960 But there is forty five ACPMO that is has the 404 00:20:20,000 --> 00:20:22,680 lighterweight bullets you can get two hundred grains. You can 405 00:20:22,680 --> 00:20:24,519 give you a one hundred eighty five grain semi wade 406 00:20:24,559 --> 00:20:28,000 cutters if I switch to those, and I gotta go 407 00:20:28,039 --> 00:20:29,839 back and make sure that they will run my gun, 408 00:20:29,839 --> 00:20:34,119 because if you have less recoil less motion of your slide, 409 00:20:34,119 --> 00:20:38,000 if you will slide velosity, there's the possible ability that 410 00:20:38,039 --> 00:20:41,319 your gun won't run reliably. So i'd have to check 411 00:20:41,359 --> 00:20:43,799 that out. So we'll see if I can find some. 412 00:20:43,960 --> 00:20:47,720 I probably would grab some, just because I'm thinking about 413 00:20:47,720 --> 00:20:51,200 five days of shooting full house for two hundred and 414 00:20:51,200 --> 00:20:53,920 thirty green bullets. I mean, I'm ready to do it. 415 00:20:53,920 --> 00:20:55,599 I'm gonna do it. That's the AMMO I have available. 416 00:20:55,680 --> 00:20:57,640 But there you go. So we're gonna have some fun 417 00:20:57,680 --> 00:21:00,440 doing that. I'm gonna drive our way down to Arizona, 418 00:21:01,119 --> 00:21:04,680 stop it along the way and goofing off some friends going. 419 00:21:04,759 --> 00:21:08,759 So that'll be a fun. It's a shooting safari if 420 00:21:08,799 --> 00:21:13,000 you will. What a fun idea. Let's get together. Let's 421 00:21:13,039 --> 00:21:16,640 go drive, stop along the way, do some fun stuff. 422 00:21:16,680 --> 00:21:19,240 Go to a shooting school somewhere and look, it could 423 00:21:19,240 --> 00:21:21,799 be gun side, it could be our place down in Louisiana. 424 00:21:22,000 --> 00:21:24,279 Range Ready, we've got some really good classes coming up 425 00:21:24,279 --> 00:21:26,880 by the way, oh oh oh, and be sure be 426 00:21:27,200 --> 00:21:29,880 sure to go over to range ready Studios dot com 427 00:21:30,279 --> 00:21:34,119 and sign up for the email newsletter because we're going 428 00:21:34,160 --> 00:21:36,799 to have some more of these special classes that usually 429 00:21:36,880 --> 00:21:39,920 sell out in like two or three days. If you 430 00:21:39,960 --> 00:21:42,039 wait a week to go back and look at the website, 431 00:21:42,079 --> 00:21:44,319 it'll probably be full. These are the crazy ones we 432 00:21:44,400 --> 00:21:49,079 do with gun companies, where they may be maybe introducing 433 00:21:49,079 --> 00:21:53,279 a new product, maybe it says happened in the past. 434 00:21:53,720 --> 00:21:55,599 When you sign up for the class, not only do 435 00:21:55,640 --> 00:21:57,039 you get to shoot the new product, you get to 436 00:21:57,079 --> 00:22:01,559 keep the new product. Yeah, just handle some like maybe optics, 437 00:22:01,599 --> 00:22:04,680 maybe holsters. I don't know who knows. I'm not allowed 438 00:22:04,680 --> 00:22:08,319 to talk about it except that I just did. No 439 00:22:08,480 --> 00:22:11,720 Bo's the boss to me. I'm don Gresha. This is 440 00:22:11,759 --> 00:22:13,759 gut Taller. Be a part of it. Give me a 441 00:22:13,799 --> 00:22:17,279 shout those let's hear those range reports eight sixty six 442 00:22:17,680 --> 00:22:25,720 talk guys, all right, it's time for you to be 443 00:22:25,799 --> 00:22:28,480 involved here. We're looking for range reports. What have you 444 00:22:28,519 --> 00:22:30,319 been shooting? What have you been looking at? What do 445 00:22:30,400 --> 00:22:34,000 you think it about? Buying number here is pretty easy. 446 00:22:34,079 --> 00:22:36,960 Just call me a Tom talk gun that'll get you in. 447 00:22:37,400 --> 00:22:39,960 Matt did that? He's in North Dakota. Hey, Matt, what's 448 00:22:39,960 --> 00:22:40,359 going on? 449 00:22:41,799 --> 00:22:44,160 Speaker 9: Yes, sir had a range report for you. 450 00:22:44,400 --> 00:22:47,640 Speaker 2: Please okay, alrighty. 451 00:22:47,799 --> 00:22:52,559 Speaker 9: I was shooting one of my ars at outdoor range 452 00:22:52,599 --> 00:22:56,200 that we have here, and I was shooting at fifty 453 00:22:56,279 --> 00:23:01,119 yards and enjoying the peaceful night. But I need some 454 00:23:01,240 --> 00:23:07,440 advice on handling range etiquette. I had a situation where 455 00:23:07,440 --> 00:23:12,119 I was shooting at fifty yards and we have a 456 00:23:12,200 --> 00:23:16,680 fifty excuse me, we have twenty five fifty yard one 457 00:23:16,759 --> 00:23:21,720 hundred and two hundred. I was shooting at fifty and 458 00:23:21,880 --> 00:23:27,319 a new shooter who was excitedly talking about shooting trapped 459 00:23:27,359 --> 00:23:31,359 his first time. We have that on at the club also. 460 00:23:32,119 --> 00:23:35,960 But then he opened a rifle case and was going 461 00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:39,319 to shoot across me. He was on my right. He 462 00:23:39,400 --> 00:23:41,839 was going to shoot across me at the twenty five 463 00:23:41,920 --> 00:23:50,759 yard target. So I politely called cease fire and made 464 00:23:50,759 --> 00:23:53,319 sure he had his ear protection, and I said, would 465 00:23:53,319 --> 00:23:57,680 you please move over to my left so you can 466 00:23:57,720 --> 00:24:00,720 shoot at twenty five and I can continue at fifty. 467 00:24:01,440 --> 00:24:04,160 And I was polite, and he was a young man 468 00:24:04,200 --> 00:24:07,960 and his girlfriend, But how do you handle something like 469 00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:09,200 that as it pops up. 470 00:24:09,119 --> 00:24:11,720 Speaker 2: Again top, Well, what was his reaction? 471 00:24:13,680 --> 00:24:18,240 Speaker 9: He was a little bit shocked, I think, and he said, Okay, 472 00:24:18,480 --> 00:24:21,200 I'm just so excited. I'm just so excited that I 473 00:24:21,200 --> 00:24:22,759 didn't know the rules. 474 00:24:23,680 --> 00:24:28,920 Speaker 2: And that's okay. Honestly, it sounds to me like you 475 00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:31,480 handled really well. It's like, okay, I'm not mad and 476 00:24:31,559 --> 00:24:33,359 I'm going to yell at you, just say, hey, if 477 00:24:33,440 --> 00:24:35,279 I stopped for a second, let's get this sort of out. 478 00:24:35,319 --> 00:24:37,279 If you're gonna be shooting at the target on the left, 479 00:24:37,920 --> 00:24:39,839 you need to be to the left of me. So, 480 00:24:40,440 --> 00:24:44,799 I mean, it's probably not a safety issue, but it 481 00:24:44,839 --> 00:24:46,759 doesn't make any sense for him to be shooting across 482 00:24:46,799 --> 00:24:49,799 your line of fire. And he didn't clearly he didn't know. 483 00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:51,680 And I think you did a really good job with it. 484 00:24:51,720 --> 00:24:54,359 I mean, I don't know there's anything I could suggest 485 00:24:54,440 --> 00:24:55,240 to do any better. 486 00:24:56,519 --> 00:24:57,359 Speaker 3: Okay, yep. 487 00:24:57,440 --> 00:25:00,799 Speaker 9: I always want to be polite, whether going to the 488 00:25:00,920 --> 00:25:04,279 range or at the range or leaving the range, because 489 00:25:05,480 --> 00:25:08,319 it's a plight. What is it? An armed society is 490 00:25:08,359 --> 00:25:12,319 a plight society? Was that the quote? 491 00:25:11,839 --> 00:25:13,240 Speaker 2: That is the quote? 492 00:25:13,440 --> 00:25:13,720 Speaker 3: Now? 493 00:25:13,759 --> 00:25:16,400 Speaker 2: Having said that, and I know you know this, If 494 00:25:16,400 --> 00:25:20,519 it was a true immediate safety issue, then that's the 495 00:25:20,559 --> 00:25:22,559 time to be a good bit more forcefull of you. 496 00:25:23,079 --> 00:25:25,880 Cease fire, stop, stop stop, you know, and so you know, 497 00:25:26,160 --> 00:25:27,799 but it doesn't sound like it was that kind of 498 00:25:27,799 --> 00:25:31,000 a thing. It was just sorting it all out, yes, sir, 499 00:25:32,200 --> 00:25:34,039 Well no, I think you did a great job, and 500 00:25:34,279 --> 00:25:36,599 you know, you were a good ambassador for shooting. And 501 00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:39,119 you got this young person. And the other thing is 502 00:25:39,160 --> 00:25:41,119 he's got his girlfriend. You don't want to embarrass him 503 00:25:41,119 --> 00:25:44,400 in front of his girlfriend. He's prying new at it. Frankly, 504 00:25:44,440 --> 00:25:45,519 it sounds like I went real. 505 00:25:45,440 --> 00:25:49,559 Speaker 9: Well good, that's what I wanted to report, a good 506 00:25:49,759 --> 00:25:53,000 Braine report and just get advice and I'll handle it 507 00:25:53,039 --> 00:25:54,000 that way next time. 508 00:25:54,519 --> 00:25:56,680 Speaker 2: There you go. Well done. Hey, by the way, what 509 00:25:56,720 --> 00:25:59,039 were you shooting? You said? Your ar is it in 510 00:25:59,039 --> 00:25:59,599 two two three? 511 00:26:00,839 --> 00:26:03,640 Speaker 9: Yeah, yep, yep and five five six. I have a 512 00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:07,279 vortex red dot with an extra radical on it. And 513 00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:10,400 it was his turn to leave the safe and go 514 00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:12,400 out and shoot. So it was a great night. 515 00:26:13,960 --> 00:26:15,200 Speaker 2: Hit me wait long enough? 516 00:26:15,319 --> 00:26:18,720 Speaker 3: Uh yeah, I like it. 517 00:26:18,799 --> 00:26:20,599 Speaker 2: I like it all right. Well, look thanks for the 518 00:26:20,680 --> 00:26:24,920 ranging port. Well done, that is great. I appreciate that. Matt. 519 00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:29,119 You know it's an opportunity, and if it's not a 520 00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:32,680 real immediate safety issue, there's a lot of things ways 521 00:26:32,680 --> 00:26:34,759 you go about. You know, he calls these fires sound 522 00:26:34,839 --> 00:26:37,279 like maybe it was just the two of them. If 523 00:26:37,279 --> 00:26:38,759 it was a bunch of people on the line, one 524 00:26:38,759 --> 00:26:40,319 of the things you could do is just stop shooting, 525 00:26:40,839 --> 00:26:43,799 stand up, and step back from the line, and then 526 00:26:43,880 --> 00:26:46,799 when the line goes cold again, then you could have 527 00:26:46,839 --> 00:26:50,160 the conversation and you start off with, hey, if you 528 00:26:50,160 --> 00:26:55,079 wouldn't mind, why don't we switch positions here, because you're 529 00:26:55,079 --> 00:26:56,920 shooting at a target to my left and you're I'm 530 00:26:56,920 --> 00:26:59,400 shooting at one of your right, and let's just switch here, 531 00:26:59,400 --> 00:27:03,480 and you know, we'll sort this thing out. There's usually 532 00:27:03,559 --> 00:27:08,240 a way to have these conversations as long as you 533 00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:10,599 don't have your ego all wrapped up in it. A 534 00:27:10,599 --> 00:27:12,240 lot of times you start off with a question, you 535 00:27:12,880 --> 00:27:16,440 say you wouldn't mind, or you know, or hey, I 536 00:27:16,519 --> 00:27:19,559 was just thinking that we might be better off just 537 00:27:19,720 --> 00:27:23,599 find a way to ease into it, to give them 538 00:27:23,799 --> 00:27:26,680 a chance to buy in. If you get that buy in, 539 00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:28,880 you can usually get it where you needed to be. 540 00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:32,240 And particularly if somebody's new, they don't know but I 541 00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:34,559 think Matt did a great job of not embarrassing him 542 00:27:34,599 --> 00:27:37,440 in front of his girlfriend, and you know, he had 543 00:27:38,319 --> 00:27:43,400 a good experience on the thing we tend to. There's 544 00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:46,039 a thought for you. If you've been shooting a long time, 545 00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:48,000 and a lot of people listening to this have been 546 00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:53,240 shooting for decades, you forget that you were once new 547 00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:56,880 and didn't know all these safety rules, and you were 548 00:27:56,920 --> 00:28:01,240 nervous and didn't know the protocols and wouldn't have appreciated 549 00:28:01,319 --> 00:28:05,720 if somebody barked at you. And so it's our chance, 550 00:28:05,920 --> 00:28:09,720 as the folks who have the experience to help folks 551 00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:12,160 and say, hey, let me explain to you. Let's see 552 00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:16,519 what we can do about this. Yeah, Joe says started 553 00:28:16,519 --> 00:28:18,359 off with hey, jerk face, it is probably not a 554 00:28:18,359 --> 00:28:20,319 good way to go. Thank you, Jim. I appreciate it. 555 00:28:20,319 --> 00:28:22,920 I knew it could counted you on that one. I 556 00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:29,279 did have a situation one time though public range simply 557 00:28:29,279 --> 00:28:31,599 open to the public, you know, rainge masters or therebody shoots, 558 00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:35,960 and I was shooting and I didn't realize some folks 559 00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:39,039 had come in on the far into the line down there. 560 00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:42,880 I stopped and I walked down to change the target 561 00:28:42,920 --> 00:28:46,599 out and they started shooting while I was down range. 562 00:28:47,359 --> 00:28:51,240 That's not a time to be bashful. So I barked 563 00:28:51,839 --> 00:28:56,240 very loudly at them and used four letter words that 564 00:28:56,279 --> 00:28:59,839 I don't usually use and got their attention, and they 565 00:28:59,839 --> 00:29:03,240 were or they stopped immediately. They were mortified. Now the 566 00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:05,359 good news is where they were shooting. Those targets were 567 00:29:05,359 --> 00:29:09,079 probably thirty yards to the side of me, so it 568 00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:11,079 wasn't like the bullets were coming right next to me. 569 00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:13,480 I sort of didn't like being down range when they're 570 00:29:13,519 --> 00:29:17,279 bullets flying down there. But it was one of those 571 00:29:17,279 --> 00:29:20,640 things I thought, Okay, what's my learning takeaway of this? 572 00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:22,359 I mean, I can get mad at them for not 573 00:29:23,079 --> 00:29:26,880 checking to see for somebody downrange, but also I should 574 00:29:26,920 --> 00:29:29,559 have looked up and down the line just to say, okay, 575 00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:31,960 did anybody else come here? While I was shooting and 576 00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:35,519 looking down range and focused and what not paying attention. 577 00:29:35,640 --> 00:29:41,920 So I had honestly let my situation one wearing the slaps, 578 00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:45,119 And so that was one of those HM, Okay, Tom, 579 00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:48,839 let's don't get mad at them. Figure out what you can. 580 00:29:49,400 --> 00:29:52,400 I can't control everybody's actions, and the next people come 581 00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:54,799 along and may do the same thing. So how am 582 00:29:54,799 --> 00:29:56,759 I going to protect myself? So? What do I do 583 00:29:56,839 --> 00:30:03,240 to improve my performance? If you will, It's the way 584 00:30:03,279 --> 00:30:05,119 I like to approach things. What can I get out 585 00:30:05,160 --> 00:30:08,400 of this? How can I do better? I like learning, 586 00:30:08,799 --> 00:30:12,839 I like improving and whatever it is I do. I'm 587 00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:15,200 never going to be a top competitive shooter. I'm not 588 00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:18,160 really a competitive shooter at all. I don't do that. 589 00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:22,200 And there are gazillions of people who shoot better than 590 00:30:22,240 --> 00:30:25,160 I do. They shoot smaller groups, they shoot faster times, 591 00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:28,200 all the rest of it. And that's fine. I'm just 592 00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:31,519 trying to get better at what I do. That's why 593 00:30:31,559 --> 00:30:36,160 I'm going back and taking another class at Gunsight. I'm 594 00:30:36,160 --> 00:30:40,319 going back to Range Ready in a month month and 595 00:30:40,359 --> 00:30:43,799 a half to do another event, another shooting event there, 596 00:30:44,119 --> 00:30:47,480 and I'll get a little training there, and I try 597 00:30:47,519 --> 00:30:51,640 to do that with most things. I have been flying Airpuy. 598 00:30:53,039 --> 00:30:57,240 I've been flying for forty years, forty two years, and 599 00:30:57,359 --> 00:31:00,160 I'm signed up to take a three day class, one 600 00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:03,480 on one with a experienced instructor on that country, flyine, 601 00:31:04,039 --> 00:31:06,720 flying into the wilderness areas. We're going to be doing that. 602 00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:09,480 That's gonna be a bunch of fun as well. Let's wrap. 603 00:31:09,599 --> 00:31:12,599 Jeff Line what out of Meridian, Idaho, just down the 604 00:31:12,680 --> 00:31:15,039 road from me. Hey, Jeff, your own gun talk. What's up? 605 00:31:16,559 --> 00:31:16,720 Speaker 10: Hi? 606 00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:20,960 Speaker 11: I've heard you talk about nineteen elevens and before, and 607 00:31:21,039 --> 00:31:24,039 I know you have a passion for the nineteen elevens, 608 00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:27,079 and so do I. I have had a cult nineteen 609 00:31:27,119 --> 00:31:33,480 eleven since the early eighties, and I've that's what I 610 00:31:33,519 --> 00:31:39,680 shoot mostly. I'm fairly proficient with it. But I keep 611 00:31:39,720 --> 00:31:43,319 hearing the people, mostly younger shooters, say, oh no, you 612 00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:48,440 need something with a greater capacity, holds, more rounds, more 613 00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:51,680 self defense. And I just wanted to get your thoughts 614 00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:59,240 on that, because I say proficiency and shot placement has 615 00:31:59,279 --> 00:32:01,559 to be consider first and foremost. 616 00:32:04,279 --> 00:32:07,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think anybody would argue that shot placement 617 00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:12,279 is critical. I mean on the board, you know, size 618 00:32:12,319 --> 00:32:15,160 of the cartridge versus the number of rounds. I can 619 00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:19,160 argue it both ways, and often do it sounds like 620 00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:21,720 you have kind of figured it out. Look, these persons 621 00:32:21,799 --> 00:32:23,559 got to come figure out where they come down on this. 622 00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:28,680 If you can shoot well, let's just say that if 623 00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:31,759 you are carrying a forty five automatic and you've got 624 00:32:32,799 --> 00:32:34,799 well with most forty five, you can carry eight in 625 00:32:34,839 --> 00:32:38,680 a magazine. Plus once you've got nine rounds, there are 626 00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:41,200 not a lot of these social problems you can't solve 627 00:32:41,240 --> 00:32:44,440 with nine rounds. Honestly, Now, I can come up with 628 00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:47,319 scenarios where you say, well, oh but you might need more, Yes, 629 00:32:47,359 --> 00:32:50,079 you might, you might need a hundred, but you're probably 630 00:32:50,119 --> 00:32:53,279 not gonna have them. But that's a very low percentage. 631 00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:56,880 The percentages drop off really fast after about three or 632 00:32:56,880 --> 00:33:01,799 four rounds. At that point, it's kind like, I don't know, 633 00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:05,480 it's what do you like? Don't you find that it's 634 00:33:05,480 --> 00:33:07,400 as much what kind of gun do you like? What 635 00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:09,079 do you shoot well? And what feels good in your hand? 636 00:33:10,759 --> 00:33:15,839 Speaker 11: Exactly? I guess it goes. It ties into debt, never 637 00:33:16,119 --> 00:33:19,400 ending nine m men versus forty five debate that will 638 00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:25,160 go on forever. Yeah, you're right, well I have both. 639 00:33:25,319 --> 00:33:27,079 I got to admit a half boasts. I have a 640 00:33:27,160 --> 00:33:31,240 bread in ninety two also, But I feel pretty good 641 00:33:31,240 --> 00:33:33,880 about their ninety eleven. But I keep hearing, oh, no, 642 00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:38,799 you need to have a handgun to hold some more rounds. 643 00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:41,759 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, No. What I really like is when they say, yeah, 644 00:33:41,880 --> 00:33:43,920 you know, what if you carry nineteen eleven with only 645 00:33:44,039 --> 00:33:46,960 nine or ten rounds you're gonna die. Well, no, that's 646 00:33:47,039 --> 00:33:49,559 just stupid. Come on, kid, And it's like, well, but 647 00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:51,319 if you don't have a dot on it, you're going 648 00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:53,680 to die, really okay. If you don't have a double stock, 649 00:33:53,720 --> 00:33:55,920 you're gonna die. Okay, can we get past this? This 650 00:33:56,000 --> 00:33:59,079 is sounding really stupid at this point. You know, copstant 651 00:33:59,119 --> 00:34:01,759 Well carried six out revolvers for an awful long time 652 00:34:01,799 --> 00:34:06,799 and everybody else did so. Mainly it's a matter of 653 00:34:06,920 --> 00:34:11,199 mastering the tool. I would say, rather than argue about 654 00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:13,880 nine versus forty five or double stack versus single stack, 655 00:34:14,559 --> 00:34:17,519 go out and take some more classes and do more 656 00:34:17,519 --> 00:34:20,079 shooting and more training and lots of dry fire practice, 657 00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:23,599 and get really good at drawing and shooting and center 658 00:34:23,639 --> 00:34:26,760 punching your target at seven yards. Yeah. I know everybody said, 659 00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:28,360 well you're to be able to hit targets at fifteen 660 00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:31,039 and twenty five. Yes, I understand that. But if you 661 00:34:31,119 --> 00:34:34,079 can put all your shots in a playing card at 662 00:34:34,119 --> 00:34:38,519 seven yards, that's a difficult target at seven yards twenty 663 00:34:38,559 --> 00:34:41,280 one feet for most people. When you can do that, 664 00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:42,480 you are quite proficient. 665 00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:47,559 Speaker 11: I think I could do it. Not every time, but 666 00:34:47,639 --> 00:34:51,119 I think I could do it, and I just always 667 00:34:51,320 --> 00:34:55,800 was of the belief that you can't compensate for a 668 00:34:55,880 --> 00:35:00,119 lack of proficiency with either capacity or power. 669 00:35:01,679 --> 00:35:03,679 Speaker 2: Or I like it when they say you can't miss 670 00:35:03,719 --> 00:35:06,239 somebody fast enough to win the gunfight. 671 00:35:07,199 --> 00:35:09,360 Speaker 11: Right, And that's the last thing I'd want to do 672 00:35:09,519 --> 00:35:12,559 is get in the gunfight. My intention would be to 673 00:35:12,679 --> 00:35:15,639 either stop or slow down the threat so I could 674 00:35:15,639 --> 00:35:16,880 take evasive action. 675 00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:20,239 Speaker 2: You bet. Yeah. But at the same time, look, if 676 00:35:20,239 --> 00:35:22,280 you got to shoot, you gotta shoot center of mash. 677 00:35:22,440 --> 00:35:25,239 You know, we're not trying to scare somebody. The only 678 00:35:25,320 --> 00:35:27,000 reason we would pull the trigger is that somebody's just 679 00:35:27,039 --> 00:35:28,320 about to kill us. So we've got to take care 680 00:35:28,360 --> 00:35:31,159 of that. Great call. I appreciate that, Jeff, As you 681 00:35:31,159 --> 00:35:33,599 can imagine, the nine verses forty five and single stack 682 00:35:33,679 --> 00:35:36,679 versus double stack will never go away, and it's always 683 00:35:36,719 --> 00:35:39,280 going to be there. But that's how we sold an 684 00:35:39,320 --> 00:35:41,920 awful lot of gun magazines when I was at Guns 685 00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:44,320 and Ammo and all these other gun magazines through the years. 686 00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:50,079 Uh yeah, do we have time to get Mike in. Oh, okay, 687 00:35:50,199 --> 00:35:53,320 we'll do that. Let's grab Mike on line too out 688 00:35:53,320 --> 00:35:59,159 of Medford organ Hey, right, what's cooking. Uh oh, we're 689 00:35:59,199 --> 00:36:05,920 trying to find Mike. He ran away online. Two Okay, 690 00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:07,880 all right, Mike, put it down. He's getting the sandwich. 691 00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:10,159 We'll see, we'll get you back in here. 692 00:36:11,119 --> 00:36:11,400 Speaker 3: Yeah. 693 00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:14,039 Speaker 2: The single stack versus double stack is kind of fun. 694 00:36:14,239 --> 00:36:16,360 On the nineteen eleven side. You got this whole group 695 00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:19,079 of people who discovered the nineteen eleven, but they were 696 00:36:19,119 --> 00:36:22,360 bad about the nineteen eleven. It's only a nineteen eleven 697 00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:24,559 if it's a good one, if it's double stack. If 698 00:36:24,559 --> 00:36:26,199 it's a single stack, it's bad. I don't know why 699 00:36:26,199 --> 00:36:28,880 that is. Un Listen, we got Mike back here. Hey, Mike, 700 00:36:28,920 --> 00:36:29,400 you there. 701 00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:32,360 Speaker 10: Yes, I am all right. 702 00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:33,800 Speaker 2: You had the floor. Go ahead, sir. 703 00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:38,800 Speaker 10: All right, my friend. I've been a concealed carry advocate 704 00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:42,519 and carried for five years. And when I decided I 705 00:36:42,559 --> 00:36:45,679 was going to do that, I just shot for an 706 00:36:45,719 --> 00:36:50,320 affordable weapon, and I picked the Ruger Compact Security nine. 707 00:36:51,320 --> 00:36:54,679 You got good reviews, a great reputation for the company, 708 00:36:55,280 --> 00:36:57,000 and that's what I chose to carry. That's what I 709 00:36:57,039 --> 00:37:01,480 trained with and qualified with. And I just carry the 710 00:37:01,519 --> 00:37:07,159 standard magazine ten plus one. I can put the regular 711 00:37:07,239 --> 00:37:13,480 Security nine capacity in it. So that's fifteen, and so 712 00:37:13,559 --> 00:37:17,840 my thoughts from earlier comments are that I want to 713 00:37:17,880 --> 00:37:20,239 train with that gun so that I'm most familiar with 714 00:37:20,280 --> 00:37:23,320 that gun so when every split second count, so I'm 715 00:37:23,400 --> 00:37:26,360 not you know, my brain isn't tricking me that I'm 716 00:37:26,360 --> 00:37:30,440 carrying in nineteen eleven or a Solimer Striker fire that 717 00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:32,239 sort of thing. That was just my thoughts on the matter. 718 00:37:32,760 --> 00:37:35,400 Speaker 2: No, I'm agreeing with you. I think you're exactly right, 719 00:37:35,639 --> 00:37:38,320 and people should do what you're doing and not do 720 00:37:38,400 --> 00:37:40,280 what I do because I do it to completely wrong. 721 00:37:40,320 --> 00:37:42,199 I switch around all the time, so it's like, do 722 00:37:42,239 --> 00:37:44,000 what they say, not what I do right, But no, 723 00:37:44,079 --> 00:37:46,079 I think you're doing it right. The other only a 724 00:37:46,239 --> 00:37:47,559 thing left for you to do is to shoot more 725 00:37:47,639 --> 00:37:49,239 AMMO and practice like crazy. 726 00:37:50,679 --> 00:37:51,159 Speaker 3: That's true. 727 00:37:51,239 --> 00:37:53,960 Speaker 10: Yeah, I agree, it's hard to carve out time to 728 00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:55,079 do that, but it is part. 729 00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:57,599 Speaker 2: Of the discipline. It is. But you know, you can 730 00:37:57,639 --> 00:38:00,199 also do dry firing. Make sure a triple check, make 731 00:38:00,239 --> 00:38:05,320 sure you're unloaded, and practice your draw, your trigger press, 732 00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:09,719 all the rest of that. Dry firing gets you an 733 00:38:09,760 --> 00:38:14,159 awful lot of good training, working your gun, working the slide. 734 00:38:14,440 --> 00:38:17,519 You know, pretend you got a malfunction, crank that slide, 735 00:38:18,199 --> 00:38:20,760 get your trigger presses in. You're not going to be 736 00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:24,440 mastering recoil for your follow up shots. You can't do 737 00:38:24,519 --> 00:38:27,800 that without shooting the gun. But in terms of the 738 00:38:27,840 --> 00:38:30,679 movement to the gun in the holster, drawing it out 739 00:38:30,679 --> 00:38:34,199 from concealment, you need to do this from concealment, put 740 00:38:34,239 --> 00:38:37,159 the target, the gun on target, pressing the trigger without 741 00:38:37,239 --> 00:38:39,280 disturbing the site so that the site stay on the 742 00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:42,079 target after it goes click. You need to do like 743 00:38:42,119 --> 00:38:44,880 one thousand and one while you're holding the sites on 744 00:38:44,960 --> 00:38:49,840 the target. Dry firing is very beneficial. It's not everything, 745 00:38:50,039 --> 00:38:54,039 it's not enough, but you know, none of us gets 746 00:38:54,039 --> 00:38:56,159 to the range as often as we would like. But 747 00:38:56,239 --> 00:38:58,760 we're all home every single day and we can all 748 00:38:58,760 --> 00:39:02,119 do dry firing every single day. And guess what, that's 749 00:39:02,119 --> 00:39:04,599 what we should be doing. Gun talk will be right back. 750 00:39:14,559 --> 00:39:14,760 Speaker 3: You know. 751 00:39:14,880 --> 00:39:17,440 Speaker 2: I wish my friends wouldn't do this too. During the break, 752 00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:20,119 my phone starts ringing. I got it on silent, but 753 00:39:20,159 --> 00:39:23,360 I can hear it over there. It's a buddy, he's 754 00:39:23,480 --> 00:39:27,199 texting me a copy of an ad from a place 755 00:39:27,239 --> 00:39:29,559 that has a left handed ultra light arms rifle. 756 00:39:30,199 --> 00:39:30,519 Speaker 7: Stop. 757 00:39:30,840 --> 00:39:32,960 Speaker 2: Would you I'm supposed to be the one that enables 758 00:39:33,000 --> 00:39:36,239 other people. I don't need any enabling. I can self 759 00:39:36,320 --> 00:39:39,199 enable anytime I want to, So I can buy a gun, 760 00:39:39,360 --> 00:39:41,079 you know, and I can stop anytime I want to. 761 00:39:41,119 --> 00:39:45,239 I swear I can. I really can't. So just where 762 00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:50,239 where's that again? Well, yeah, it's a twenty two empire. No, 763 00:39:50,440 --> 00:39:56,760 I'm not going to do that. Run away, run away. Oh, 764 00:39:57,159 --> 00:40:02,280 it is a great time for looking use guns. A 765 00:40:02,320 --> 00:40:05,320 lot of people are one of the things that's happening 766 00:40:06,119 --> 00:40:09,440 just from a demographic standpoint, because you've got a lot 767 00:40:09,480 --> 00:40:11,920 of people who are easing out of shooting right now, 768 00:40:13,039 --> 00:40:15,679 and you know a lot of older guys are starting 769 00:40:15,679 --> 00:40:17,599 to get rid of their collections. They're selling them, they're 770 00:40:17,639 --> 00:40:21,360 moving them, whether they're doing it locally or through you know, 771 00:40:21,760 --> 00:40:23,840 Jury's Guns or gun Broken. By the way, if you're 772 00:40:24,440 --> 00:40:26,719 wanting to get rid of guns juriesguns dot Com is 773 00:40:26,760 --> 00:40:29,000 a great place to go. They'll buy them outright, make 774 00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:32,199 it easy. And a lot of times they have really 775 00:40:32,239 --> 00:40:35,480 interesting guns. A lot of times they're guns from twenty thirty, forty, fifty, 776 00:40:35,599 --> 00:40:39,199 sixty years ago and they're really good. Sometimes they are 777 00:40:39,239 --> 00:40:42,000 high end guns that you can pick up as a 778 00:40:42,039 --> 00:40:48,280 good price. There can be some smoking deals. Sometimes you go, yeah, yeah, 779 00:40:48,280 --> 00:40:51,480 I do they like to have an older Winchester model seventy, 780 00:40:52,079 --> 00:40:55,840 Yeah they got those. Or you're one of the early 781 00:40:55,920 --> 00:40:58,199 models Smith and Western revolvers, Yeah, those will pop up 782 00:40:58,239 --> 00:41:00,719 as well. Do no matter what you're looking for. I 783 00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:05,480 think right now you got look at the numbers. The 784 00:41:05,559 --> 00:41:08,760 baby boomers are moving out. I mean, they're getting older 785 00:41:08,760 --> 00:41:12,119 where they're not going to be shooting. They're dying. Widows 786 00:41:12,159 --> 00:41:16,320 are getting rid of gun collections. There's some good deals 787 00:41:16,360 --> 00:41:21,480 out there. I've had an opportunity to help a widow 788 00:41:21,519 --> 00:41:26,000 or two with gun collections. It's an interesting situation where 789 00:41:28,119 --> 00:41:30,440 I'm helping them sell them and I'm looking at them 790 00:41:30,440 --> 00:41:34,280 and going, man, I'd love to get that one. But 791 00:41:34,320 --> 00:41:36,360 what I don't do is I don't buy guns that way. 792 00:41:37,119 --> 00:41:38,920 I will help them move them and get them to 793 00:41:38,960 --> 00:41:43,639 the right place, but something about it doesn't feel right 794 00:41:44,719 --> 00:41:47,360 of me, Like doing an appraisal long guns and saying 795 00:41:47,360 --> 00:41:50,199 I think that's what they're worth and then saying I 796 00:41:50,239 --> 00:41:53,119 want to buy it. Also, you shouldn't sell a gun 797 00:41:53,119 --> 00:41:57,719 to somebody who doesn't appraisal for you, because even if 798 00:41:57,840 --> 00:42:00,199 they're trustworthy, and I would startain to be trust where 799 00:42:00,199 --> 00:42:02,760 they to make it fair. It just doesn't feel right 800 00:42:02,800 --> 00:42:02,960 to me. 801 00:42:03,239 --> 00:42:03,599 Speaker 4: I don't know. 802 00:42:03,639 --> 00:42:07,239 Speaker 2: Maybe I'm maybe I'm goofy about that. Maybe that's silly, 803 00:42:07,280 --> 00:42:11,280 but I just don't like the possibility of it appearing 804 00:42:11,320 --> 00:42:15,639 to be improper. Where I established the price and say no, 805 00:42:15,760 --> 00:42:17,800 by the way, i'll give you that for that, then 806 00:42:17,800 --> 00:42:20,079 they're thinking, well, was it really worth that or did 807 00:42:20,079 --> 00:42:21,679 he just price it like that so he could buy 808 00:42:21,719 --> 00:42:25,639 it cheap. So I don't know, just a thought. I 809 00:42:25,639 --> 00:42:28,239 don't think we got time for al in this segment. 810 00:42:28,280 --> 00:42:31,000 Here we're picking up on the back side. Here we 811 00:42:31,159 --> 00:42:33,480 do that. Also when we come back, we're going to 812 00:42:33,519 --> 00:42:36,280 be talking with Harmi. Dylan so is the Assistant US 813 00:42:36,280 --> 00:42:39,800 Attorney General in charge of the Civil Rights Division at 814 00:42:39,840 --> 00:42:42,320 the US Department of Justice, and they have a Second 815 00:42:42,360 --> 00:42:46,760 Amendment section there. Very interesting conversation. I interviewed her at 816 00:42:46,760 --> 00:42:50,239 shot show, and frankly, she was a little closed off, 817 00:42:50,320 --> 00:42:52,960 a little guarded. She has a lot of interviews and 818 00:42:53,000 --> 00:42:56,039 probably most of them are she's waiting for the gotcha question. 819 00:42:56,960 --> 00:43:00,000 This one was different completely. She was much more open, 820 00:43:00,559 --> 00:43:03,320 maybe more trusting. Maybe she knew a little bit more 821 00:43:03,360 --> 00:43:07,239 about me. We talked about women shooting, about the need 822 00:43:07,320 --> 00:43:11,559 for female FIREMS instructors, about the shooting she's doing, and 823 00:43:11,599 --> 00:43:13,559 of course what she's doing at Department of Justice in 824 00:43:13,639 --> 00:43:17,800 terms of helping preserve and protect and expand Secondmendment rights. 825 00:43:17,880 --> 00:43:20,159 That's a fascinating one. That'll be fun. Then we're going 826 00:43:20,199 --> 00:43:22,000 to pick up Cam Edwards, so we're going to find 827 00:43:22,000 --> 00:43:26,199 out what's going on in Virginia. It is a mess, 828 00:43:26,320 --> 00:43:29,000 what's going on out there with new gun laws being 829 00:43:29,000 --> 00:43:33,159 passed and signed into law by their governor. It's an 830 00:43:33,199 --> 00:43:35,800 object lesson for all of us, the need to get 831 00:43:35,840 --> 00:43:38,519 out and vote, because when you're losing elections, you can 832 00:43:38,599 --> 00:43:43,599 lose big in gun rights.