1 00:00:22,480 --> 00:00:25,199 Speaker 1: And welcome to the Big Podcast. 2 00:00:25,320 --> 00:00:26,120 Speaker 2: It is Monday. 3 00:00:27,160 --> 00:00:30,399 Speaker 1: Today is the twenty second day of September, Year of 4 00:00:30,399 --> 00:00:33,240 Our Lord, twenty twenty five. My name is Tom Sullivan. 5 00:00:34,320 --> 00:00:38,520 So oh a programming note. I am going to be 6 00:00:38,840 --> 00:00:43,200 out in California on business for the next couple of days. 7 00:00:44,159 --> 00:00:47,320 So yeah, we'll tell I'll be back on Friday. So 8 00:00:47,359 --> 00:00:51,719 it's a Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday no podcast, but I'll be 9 00:00:51,840 --> 00:00:54,920 back on Friday. We'll pick it up from where we 10 00:00:55,039 --> 00:00:58,920 left off. But in any case, let's start. Gosh, we've 11 00:00:58,920 --> 00:01:01,560 got a lot today. We've got a new one hundred 12 00:01:01,640 --> 00:01:06,439 thousand dollars for an H one B visa. We've got 13 00:01:06,439 --> 00:01:08,959 the big announcement coming out. It's going to come out 14 00:01:09,000 --> 00:01:14,439 after we record this podcast today about autism. Hopefully they 15 00:01:14,480 --> 00:01:18,359 have found what the problem is so they can solve it. 16 00:01:19,519 --> 00:01:24,239 Kamala Harris is getting more publicity now than she ever 17 00:01:24,359 --> 00:01:27,599 got before on her new book that's dropping this week 18 00:01:30,239 --> 00:01:35,599 and the big ceremony in Glendale, Arizona yesterday for Charlie Kirk. 19 00:01:36,040 --> 00:01:38,879 We'll touch on that as well, But let me start 20 00:01:39,480 --> 00:01:44,079 with the H one B visa. I have over the 21 00:01:44,159 --> 00:01:48,000 years taken calls it hasn't been of late. I'm going 22 00:01:48,079 --> 00:01:51,959 I'm going to go back maybe ten to fifteen years ago. 23 00:01:52,040 --> 00:01:54,000 I had a lot of people calling whenever we would 24 00:01:54,000 --> 00:01:57,359 bring up anything about the H one B visas, which 25 00:01:57,439 --> 00:02:00,840 are well, they have a they were they were signed 26 00:02:00,840 --> 00:02:04,640 into law by George hw Bush. So that goes back 27 00:02:04,719 --> 00:02:07,840 what eighty eight to ninety two somewhere around in there, 28 00:02:08,319 --> 00:02:11,120 where the tech sector was kind of coming alive. It 29 00:02:11,159 --> 00:02:14,240 was a new thing, and they had people coming in 30 00:02:14,280 --> 00:02:18,560 from other parts of the world. So they came up 31 00:02:18,599 --> 00:02:21,520 with this visa and it currently, if you want to 32 00:02:21,560 --> 00:02:23,800 get an H one B visa, a company needs to 33 00:02:23,840 --> 00:02:26,639 spend the fees range and I don't know why, but 34 00:02:26,719 --> 00:02:29,719 there's anywhere from two to five thousand dollars for an 35 00:02:29,879 --> 00:02:33,919 H one B visa. They are put into a lottery 36 00:02:34,000 --> 00:02:38,080 and companies then can put their name in for the 37 00:02:38,120 --> 00:02:44,240 lottery and it's gone in minutes. So it's a lot 38 00:02:44,240 --> 00:02:48,199 of people want to hire people from other parts of 39 00:02:48,240 --> 00:02:51,000 the world. A lot of people from other parts of 40 00:02:51,039 --> 00:02:54,840 the world want to get a job here. But I 41 00:02:54,879 --> 00:02:58,520 have taken calls and numerous calls, especially from people in 42 00:02:58,560 --> 00:03:03,199 the tech sector, that have said it's unfair I'm being 43 00:03:03,319 --> 00:03:08,560 forced to train my replacement, and I'm losing my job. 44 00:03:08,599 --> 00:03:11,599 And this replacement is coming in from overseas, and they 45 00:03:11,639 --> 00:03:15,759 are going to work for a lot cheaper rate than 46 00:03:15,840 --> 00:03:19,360 what they pay me. So the companies were accused of 47 00:03:19,439 --> 00:03:22,879 getting people from overseas because of the fact they could 48 00:03:22,919 --> 00:03:28,280 get them for cheap. The question now becomes is that 49 00:03:28,439 --> 00:03:36,120 still the case. Amazon, Meta Apple are some of the 50 00:03:36,120 --> 00:03:40,960 top companies that have h one BVSA people working for them. 51 00:03:41,599 --> 00:03:44,479 But there's two sides to this story. One of them 52 00:03:44,599 --> 00:03:51,639 is that we have done such a lousy job with 53 00:03:51,800 --> 00:03:56,520 our education system in this country that we are training people, 54 00:03:56,599 --> 00:04:01,280 giving them an education that doesn't allow many of them 55 00:04:01,319 --> 00:04:05,039 to even qualify to be in some of these high 56 00:04:05,080 --> 00:04:09,159 tech jobs. That's what it mostly is, high tech. So 57 00:04:09,960 --> 00:04:12,680 the old calls, which again I haven't had the last 58 00:04:12,680 --> 00:04:17,000 few years, but the old calls were there, they're basically 59 00:04:17,040 --> 00:04:20,040 getting them for cheap, And now the companies are saying, 60 00:04:20,800 --> 00:04:25,000 we can't. We've hired everybody we can hire that has 61 00:04:25,040 --> 00:04:28,639 the qualifications in the US. We have to go around 62 00:04:28,639 --> 00:04:32,199 the world to find the people that are qualified to 63 00:04:32,240 --> 00:04:37,639 fill these slots. So let's start off with Jacinda Ardern 64 00:04:37,800 --> 00:04:41,439 she was the Prime Minister of New Zealand, and I 65 00:04:41,480 --> 00:04:43,639 thought it was interesting because she's talking about Yeah, New 66 00:04:43,720 --> 00:04:46,399 Zealand's a small country, so of course they had to 67 00:04:46,480 --> 00:04:47,480 import their talent. 68 00:04:48,839 --> 00:04:52,360 Speaker 3: Look, you're right, I led a nation, albeit a small one, 69 00:04:52,439 --> 00:04:57,600 but one that knows and understands well that certainly, for 70 00:04:57,800 --> 00:05:01,079 New Zealand to thrive, we did rely on skilled migrants 71 00:05:01,079 --> 00:05:03,079 and in our country. And you know, one of the 72 00:05:03,160 --> 00:05:05,639 lessons for us certainly was when you have a skills 73 00:05:05,680 --> 00:05:08,720 gap that you need to fill, where you don't have 74 00:05:08,800 --> 00:05:11,680 the skills you need within your population base, we would 75 00:05:11,720 --> 00:05:14,639 try and make that pathway smooth and as easy as possible. 76 00:05:15,519 --> 00:05:18,959 So anyone out there who's a nurse looking for a 77 00:05:19,000 --> 00:05:21,680 new lifestyle, I encourage you to look at New Zealand 78 00:05:22,639 --> 00:05:24,879 because that's just one of the many areas where we're 79 00:05:24,879 --> 00:05:27,120 constantly trying to check the best and brightest. And I'll 80 00:05:27,160 --> 00:05:29,120 be honest in the United States has always been known 81 00:05:29,199 --> 00:05:30,160 for that as well. 82 00:05:30,399 --> 00:05:33,079 Speaker 1: So yeah, I get it. New Zealand, to a small country, 83 00:05:33,120 --> 00:05:36,720 they had to didn't have the skills that they needed 84 00:05:36,839 --> 00:05:39,600 for all of the high tech occupations that they had 85 00:05:39,759 --> 00:05:42,680 in New Zealand, so they imported it, and the word 86 00:05:42,800 --> 00:05:45,839 migrant right now is kind of a dirty word, even 87 00:05:45,920 --> 00:05:48,680 though we allow one million in every year as new 88 00:05:48,720 --> 00:05:52,959 citizens legally. But as far as skill sets do we 89 00:05:53,040 --> 00:05:55,480 not have? That's the question. Do we not have the 90 00:05:55,519 --> 00:05:58,759 skill sets for these high tech jobs here in the 91 00:05:58,879 --> 00:06:02,959 United States? And if not, why not? Is it our 92 00:06:03,120 --> 00:06:15,439 education system or do we have plenty of educated science, technology, engineering, mathematics, stem. 93 00:06:15,639 --> 00:06:17,600 Are we doing a good enough job? I know we 94 00:06:17,759 --> 00:06:21,959 have education for that for those areas, but are we 95 00:06:22,040 --> 00:06:27,040 producing enough. China is producing engineers something like at the 96 00:06:27,120 --> 00:06:33,040 rate of ten engineering graduates to R one, and that's 97 00:06:33,120 --> 00:06:36,800 the question. If we bring him in here, well, will 98 00:06:36,839 --> 00:06:42,360 it be secure. Howard Lutnik, the Commerce Secretary, he's all 99 00:06:42,399 --> 00:06:47,079 in favor of this one hundred thousand dollars new h 100 00:06:47,279 --> 00:06:49,959 one B visa that has been proposed that if you 101 00:06:50,040 --> 00:06:52,839 want to come to this country, you got a company 102 00:06:52,839 --> 00:06:55,240 has to pay one hundred thousand dollars in addition to 103 00:06:55,319 --> 00:06:58,319 what they're paying your salary. Here's Howard Lutnik. 104 00:06:58,079 --> 00:07:02,959 Speaker 4: They're one hundred thousand dollars per year. So the whole 105 00:07:03,000 --> 00:07:06,360 idea is no more of these big tech companies or 106 00:07:06,399 --> 00:07:10,720 other big companies train foreign workers. They have to pay 107 00:07:10,759 --> 00:07:12,800 the government one hundred thousand dollars, then they have to 108 00:07:12,800 --> 00:07:16,519 pay the employee. So it's just not economic. If you're 109 00:07:16,560 --> 00:07:19,879 going to train somebody, you're going to train one of 110 00:07:19,920 --> 00:07:23,319 the recent graduates from one of the great universities across 111 00:07:23,399 --> 00:07:27,360 our land. Train Americans. Stop bringing in people to take 112 00:07:27,399 --> 00:07:31,279 our jobs. That's the policy here. One hundred thousand dollars 113 00:07:31,360 --> 00:07:34,399 a year for h one B visas. And all of 114 00:07:34,439 --> 00:07:37,720 the big companies are on board. We've spoken to them 115 00:07:37,720 --> 00:07:40,279 about the Gold Card loves. They love it, they really 116 00:07:40,319 --> 00:07:40,639 love it. 117 00:07:40,680 --> 00:07:41,240 Speaker 5: They need it. 118 00:07:42,120 --> 00:07:47,319 Speaker 4: Renewals first times, the company needs to decide do they 119 00:07:47,439 --> 00:07:51,839 want Is that person valuable enough to have one hundred 120 00:07:51,959 --> 00:07:55,920 thousand dollars a year payment to the government, or they 121 00:07:55,920 --> 00:07:58,600 should head home and they should go higher an American. 122 00:07:59,120 --> 00:08:02,319 The whole idea it's annual and it's for total. It 123 00:08:02,319 --> 00:08:04,680 can be a total of six years, so one hundred 124 00:08:04,720 --> 00:08:07,480 thousand dollars a year. So either the person is very 125 00:08:07,600 --> 00:08:12,000 valuable to the company and America, or they're going to 126 00:08:12,120 --> 00:08:15,319 depart and the company's going to hire an American. And 127 00:08:15,439 --> 00:08:20,160 that's the point of immigration. Hire Americans and make sure 128 00:08:20,160 --> 00:08:23,600 that people coming in are the top top people. Stop 129 00:08:23,720 --> 00:08:26,439 the nonsense of letting people just come into this country 130 00:08:26,879 --> 00:08:30,040 on these visas that we're given away for free. President 131 00:08:30,199 --> 00:08:36,000 is crystal clear, valuable people only for America. Stop the nonsense. 132 00:08:37,279 --> 00:08:39,759 Speaker 1: So I don't know the answer. If any of you 133 00:08:40,080 --> 00:08:45,440 are involved in in hiring for high tech engineers for 134 00:08:45,559 --> 00:08:48,559 tech companies in this country, I would love to get 135 00:08:48,600 --> 00:08:51,240 an email or a phone call from you phone numbers 136 00:08:51,279 --> 00:08:55,759 eight five five two nine five sixty six hundred eight 137 00:08:56,039 --> 00:08:59,720 eighty five five two nine five sixty six hundred emails 138 00:08:59,759 --> 00:09:03,480 on my website at Tom Sullivan dot com. If there's 139 00:09:03,519 --> 00:09:08,120 a shortage we can't hire enough to fill the engineering 140 00:09:08,159 --> 00:09:13,440 slots in high tech companies, then I would well listen 141 00:09:13,480 --> 00:09:18,120 to Kevin O'Leary. Kevin O'Leary has a completely opposite view 142 00:09:18,480 --> 00:09:22,639 of how to handle the the the high tech people 143 00:09:22,639 --> 00:09:23,879 that we need in this country. 144 00:09:23,919 --> 00:09:25,440 Speaker 5: Now here's the problem with this whole thing. 145 00:09:25,879 --> 00:09:30,399 Speaker 6: We don't train enough engineers in this country. China is 146 00:09:30,480 --> 00:09:35,080 kicking our ass in the space design engineers, electronic engineers, coders. 147 00:09:37,159 --> 00:09:42,360 This policy is not great for innovation and so my 148 00:09:42,440 --> 00:09:43,919 operating companies we can afford this. 149 00:09:44,320 --> 00:09:45,240 Speaker 5: It's an added cost. 150 00:09:45,320 --> 00:09:47,679 Speaker 6: But if you're a startup, as Apple was, as Oracle was, 151 00:09:47,720 --> 00:09:50,440 as Google wasn't in a garage you and you're trying 152 00:09:50,440 --> 00:09:53,879 to get engineers right now, particularly in AI, we hire. 153 00:09:53,919 --> 00:09:56,679 Speaker 5: We've hired every frigging engineer in the country already. 154 00:09:56,720 --> 00:09:58,600 Speaker 6: They all have jobs, and that's why we have to 155 00:09:58,600 --> 00:10:02,000 bring them from other countries. My attitude is, and what 156 00:10:02,200 --> 00:10:06,440 made America great in the first place was immigration policy 157 00:10:06,559 --> 00:10:08,759 was to bring the best and the brightest here. They 158 00:10:08,799 --> 00:10:11,919 got married to raised families, They created companies, They created 159 00:10:12,039 --> 00:10:15,600 millions of jobs. I mean, think about what Apple did, 160 00:10:15,639 --> 00:10:18,000 Think about what Google did, Think about what Oraple did. 161 00:10:18,000 --> 00:10:22,159 They were startups. They couldn't afford one hundred grand an engineer. 162 00:10:22,799 --> 00:10:26,399 This policy should be fine tuned for the areas where 163 00:10:26,399 --> 00:10:30,080 it's applicable, not to scare away tech guys from coming 164 00:10:30,159 --> 00:10:33,080 into this country. We're competing with the Chinese, We're competing 165 00:10:33,080 --> 00:10:35,440 with the Indians. Now those people are going to stay 166 00:10:35,440 --> 00:10:38,120 in those countries. My attitude is, if you can get 167 00:10:38,159 --> 00:10:41,159 an India or Chinese, a Pakistani engineer over here, get 168 00:10:41,200 --> 00:10:44,120 them an MIT, get them in any college, and then 169 00:10:44,200 --> 00:10:46,320 they prove and you do a background check that they 170 00:10:46,440 --> 00:10:49,480 want to stay here. Give them a passport, give their 171 00:10:49,480 --> 00:10:52,480 families a passport, Let them create a job in America. 172 00:10:52,519 --> 00:10:55,559 Give them one hundred grand. Reverse this whole thing. Pay 173 00:10:55,639 --> 00:10:57,679 them to come here and stay here. This is going 174 00:10:57,720 --> 00:10:59,799 to push away innovation long term. 175 00:11:00,120 --> 00:11:00,919 Speaker 5: Don't love. 176 00:11:01,000 --> 00:11:03,480 Speaker 6: I'm gonna read all the policy this one I don't like. 177 00:11:04,080 --> 00:11:07,480 This one is going to hurt innovation in America. 178 00:11:07,919 --> 00:11:09,879 Speaker 1: So you get his idea. He's going, look at the 179 00:11:10,240 --> 00:11:13,440 smartest and the brightest in the world. We should we 180 00:11:13,440 --> 00:11:16,440 should figure out a way to get them here and 181 00:11:16,559 --> 00:11:20,840 let them set up their home here, get married here, 182 00:11:21,080 --> 00:11:25,320 have children here, contribute to their communities, but contribute to 183 00:11:25,480 --> 00:11:29,759 our tech revolution. And what it does is it keeps 184 00:11:29,759 --> 00:11:34,120 them from contributing to another nation's tech revolution. So if 185 00:11:34,120 --> 00:11:37,080 they're the best, in the brightest, you can have it. 186 00:11:37,200 --> 00:11:39,159 You can put it into a contract where if they 187 00:11:39,159 --> 00:11:42,080 don't stay a certain number of years, you can claw 188 00:11:42,120 --> 00:11:44,559 the money back. There's all kinds of different ways. But 189 00:11:44,639 --> 00:11:48,399 what I don't know is do we have a shortage 190 00:11:48,639 --> 00:11:51,799 or not. Are high tech companies trying to go cheap 191 00:11:52,240 --> 00:11:56,759 or are they truly hurting for more high tech engineers 192 00:11:56,799 --> 00:12:01,159 that they can't find because of our lousy education system 193 00:12:01,200 --> 00:12:04,960 in this country. If you know the answer, send me 194 00:12:05,000 --> 00:12:09,279 an email or give me a call. Beyond tech, Let's 195 00:12:09,320 --> 00:12:14,519 look at the latest Harry Inton poll. He's an interesting cat. 196 00:12:14,639 --> 00:12:18,159 He is taking a look at whether or who do 197 00:12:18,200 --> 00:12:20,559 you trust in the political world. Do you trust the 198 00:12:20,600 --> 00:12:24,799 Democrats or do you trust the Republicans. President Trump's approval 199 00:12:24,840 --> 00:12:29,120 ratings have been dropping, I mean quite a bit. But 200 00:12:29,799 --> 00:12:33,720 how are the Republicans doing as a whole versus the Democrats. 201 00:12:35,039 --> 00:12:37,360 Listen to what Harry Inton has to say? Yo, what 202 00:12:37,399 --> 00:12:37,919 are we seeing? 203 00:12:37,960 --> 00:12:41,000 Speaker 5: You know, Donald Trump being underwater Democrats and all this 204 00:12:41,120 --> 00:12:44,159 guarantees us we're gonna fly high in the midterms. Let 205 00:12:44,159 --> 00:12:47,480 me tell you this guarantees you nothing. Nothing because at 206 00:12:47,480 --> 00:12:50,559 this particular point, that Democrats are the New Orleans Saints 207 00:12:50,559 --> 00:12:52,759 and political parties. What are we talking about? Trust the 208 00:12:52,840 --> 00:12:53,919 Dens or GOP? 209 00:12:54,039 --> 00:12:54,200 Speaker 7: More? 210 00:12:54,240 --> 00:12:57,039 Speaker 5: On the economy? Who leads on the economy? Republicans by 211 00:12:57,080 --> 00:13:00,720 seven Immigration, Republicans by thirteen? How about crime? A big 212 00:13:00,759 --> 00:13:03,080 issue for Donald Trump? And the Republicans? Look at that 213 00:13:03,320 --> 00:13:06,159 lead by twenty two points. So the bottom line is this, 214 00:13:06,320 --> 00:13:09,480 at this particular point, the ball may be on the ground, 215 00:13:09,600 --> 00:13:11,480 but the Democrats have not picked up the ball. I'm 216 00:13:11,519 --> 00:13:13,879 running with it. If anything, at this particular point, it's 217 00:13:13,919 --> 00:13:16,080 the Republicans who are running with the ball on the 218 00:13:16,080 --> 00:13:19,399 top issues the economy, immigration, and crime. Yeah, let's compare 219 00:13:19,399 --> 00:13:21,279 it back to twenty twenty two. I think this kind 220 00:13:21,279 --> 00:13:23,279 of gives away the game right here. Okay, the GOP 221 00:13:23,440 --> 00:13:25,519 is more trusted than the Dems. On the economy, it 222 00:13:25,559 --> 00:13:29,279 was twelve points in twenty twenty two, slight slight decline 223 00:13:29,320 --> 00:13:31,519 in that lead, but still seven points. Have an immigration, 224 00:13:31,759 --> 00:13:34,000 it was Republicans by three back in twenty twenty two. 225 00:13:34,120 --> 00:13:36,879 Look at this, the Republican lead's actually gone up by 226 00:13:36,960 --> 00:13:40,039 ten points. What are you doing, Democrats? My goodness, gracious. 227 00:13:40,159 --> 00:13:43,000 And on crime, the Republicans are up by thirteen and 228 00:13:43,039 --> 00:13:46,279 now they're up by twenty two, the lead again expanding 229 00:13:46,320 --> 00:13:49,759 by nearly double ditches. So whatever Democrats are doing, it 230 00:13:49,799 --> 00:13:52,840 ain't working, Kate, it ain't working. Republicans have the lead 231 00:13:52,879 --> 00:13:53,600 on all three yearas. 232 00:13:53,679 --> 00:13:56,320 Speaker 8: What's the reason that you were finding so far that's 233 00:13:56,360 --> 00:13:56,799 driving them? 234 00:13:56,879 --> 00:13:58,440 Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, look, it's all about the center of 235 00:13:58,480 --> 00:14:01,559 the electorate, right, you win within the dependance, you win overall. 236 00:14:01,759 --> 00:14:04,399 And what do we see right here among independents Republicans 237 00:14:04,440 --> 00:14:06,440 still have a point lead on the economy. They got 238 00:14:06,440 --> 00:14:09,200 a ten point lead on immigration, they got a twenty 239 00:14:09,440 --> 00:14:12,799 one point lead on crime. The bottom line is, when 240 00:14:12,840 --> 00:14:16,799 you look at these numbers, Democrats should call their offices 241 00:14:16,840 --> 00:14:20,519 because at this particular point, even if Republicans, even if 242 00:14:20,679 --> 00:14:23,240 the public doesn't like Madonald Trump is doing, they ain't 243 00:14:23,279 --> 00:14:26,320 necessarily liking what Democrats are doing. And it ain't just 244 00:14:26,360 --> 00:14:28,559 a referendum on one party. You actually have to go 245 00:14:28,559 --> 00:14:31,399 out and beat that party. At this particular point, Democrats 246 00:14:31,440 --> 00:14:34,639 are not able to beat Republicans. They these are numbers 247 00:14:34,639 --> 00:14:39,519 from September of twenty twenty five. We still find that 248 00:14:39,559 --> 00:14:42,120 the Republicans leading on all three of these issues, and 249 00:14:42,159 --> 00:14:44,639 of course this economy will be the key. If Democrats 250 00:14:44,639 --> 00:14:45,879 are going to win, they're going to have to likely 251 00:14:45,919 --> 00:14:48,200 win on the economy. At this particular point, among independence, 252 00:14:48,240 --> 00:14:51,159 you see that one point lead for Republicans, and overall, 253 00:14:51,279 --> 00:14:53,279 at least according to the Washington Post, they held a 254 00:14:53,279 --> 00:14:56,000 seven point lead on the economy overall as well. 255 00:14:56,440 --> 00:15:00,399 Speaker 1: So even if the president's approval ratings are down, publican 256 00:15:00,440 --> 00:15:02,720 party is not. And I'm not sure if it's because 257 00:15:02,759 --> 00:15:06,159 the Republicans are doing a great job, or whether it 258 00:15:06,360 --> 00:15:10,039 is the Democrats are doing such a terrible job, but 259 00:15:10,200 --> 00:15:13,799 the Republicans are way ahead as a group. By the way, 260 00:15:14,440 --> 00:15:18,519 we are just getting word that Jimmy Kimmel. Disney has 261 00:15:18,559 --> 00:15:21,159 announced that Jimmy Kimmel is going to be back on 262 00:15:21,240 --> 00:15:25,759 the air tomorrow night, Tuesday, the twenty third, So I 263 00:15:25,799 --> 00:15:30,679 guess the indefinite suspension last what was he off Thursday 264 00:15:30,759 --> 00:15:35,840 night and Friday night tonight and then he'll be back 265 00:15:35,840 --> 00:15:39,840 on tomorrow. That doesn't sound like an indefinite suspension, by 266 00:15:39,919 --> 00:15:42,919 the way. We'll see how that works out because again 267 00:15:43,000 --> 00:15:46,039 his ratings. I looked at the ratings. His ratings are terrible. 268 00:15:46,960 --> 00:15:52,799 They're absolutely terrible. He's the worst of the late night shows. So, okay, ABC, 269 00:15:53,279 --> 00:15:56,720 this is becoming a political football. It's not based on 270 00:15:57,639 --> 00:16:02,759 solid television management where you take a show and you 271 00:16:03,039 --> 00:16:05,559 put it on because it's got good ratings, or you 272 00:16:05,639 --> 00:16:09,039 take it off because it doesn't. So Kimmel apparently is 273 00:16:09,080 --> 00:16:14,279 going to be back on, and I don't know, maybe 274 00:16:14,360 --> 00:16:17,879 this is ABC standing up or Disney standing up to 275 00:16:18,600 --> 00:16:21,840 the White House. Especially Brendan Carr, the head of the FCC, 276 00:16:23,080 --> 00:16:26,279 speaking of that, there was I think it was Friday. 277 00:16:27,039 --> 00:16:32,600 They there was a shooting at the ABC affiliate in Sacramento. 278 00:16:32,799 --> 00:16:36,559 Some car drove by and fired three bullets into the 279 00:16:36,600 --> 00:16:39,559 windows that make up the lobby, and there were people 280 00:16:39,600 --> 00:16:44,320 in the lobby. Thankfully, nobody got hurt. So that night 281 00:16:44,799 --> 00:16:48,639 the Sacramento police arrested they'd found the guy, arrested him, 282 00:16:49,200 --> 00:16:54,559 booked him, and the next morning he was out on bail. Yeah, 283 00:16:54,600 --> 00:16:56,279 he poked a bail. He was out on the street. 284 00:16:56,360 --> 00:16:59,879 The guy who was had just shot indiscriminately into a 285 00:16:59,919 --> 00:17:04,480 lobby of a television station. So I don't know who 286 00:17:05,720 --> 00:17:10,400 came up with this, but the FBI swooped in and 287 00:17:10,519 --> 00:17:13,480 arrested the guy three hours after he got out on 288 00:17:13,519 --> 00:17:19,279 bail and arrested him on federal charges involving telecommunications interference, 289 00:17:19,799 --> 00:17:23,200 some sort of reach of the federal law. But though 290 00:17:23,240 --> 00:17:26,519 he's locked up and he's not out on bail at 291 00:17:26,559 --> 00:17:30,079 least the last that I checked. But it goes again, 292 00:17:30,119 --> 00:17:35,039 it's California. They let dangerous people out on bail. Well, 293 00:17:35,039 --> 00:17:38,160 he had to pay some bail. It wasn't cashless, but 294 00:17:38,319 --> 00:17:40,039 the idea that they let him out, so good for 295 00:17:40,119 --> 00:17:43,119 the FBI. Thank you Feds for jumping in on that 296 00:17:45,319 --> 00:17:49,319 and speaking of later, a big, big announcement coming later 297 00:17:49,519 --> 00:17:52,599 today after we're done with the taping of this program 298 00:17:53,599 --> 00:17:59,119 about autism, and the hint is that they have found 299 00:17:59,279 --> 00:18:06,039 the link to autism. It's I think it's dangerous to 300 00:18:06,640 --> 00:18:08,839 say that you found the link unless you really have. 301 00:18:09,720 --> 00:18:14,599 And apparently the doctors are very much in disagreement over 302 00:18:14,680 --> 00:18:17,720 all of this. So what are we supposed to do 303 00:18:18,160 --> 00:18:22,000 that we're not medical professionals, and the medical professionals are 304 00:18:22,000 --> 00:18:26,319 disagreeing in all of this. Meg Carrell does medical reporting. 305 00:18:27,480 --> 00:18:31,519 She's always very straightforward, very good on her facts. Let's 306 00:18:31,519 --> 00:18:33,079 listen to what she has to say about it. 307 00:18:33,599 --> 00:18:36,279 Speaker 9: Yeah, Sarah, So what we're expecting, and this is sort 308 00:18:36,279 --> 00:18:37,920 of came out a couple of weeks ago and then 309 00:18:38,039 --> 00:18:41,599 was reiterated in reports yesterday, is that the Trump administration 310 00:18:41,720 --> 00:18:46,519 may warn against using Thailand all during pregnancy, except perhaps 311 00:18:46,519 --> 00:18:49,519 in the case of very high fever because of a 312 00:18:49,640 --> 00:18:54,519 potential link to autism. They also may talk about an 313 00:18:54,519 --> 00:18:57,480 improved drug called luc o Warren as a potential treatment 314 00:18:57,519 --> 00:19:00,839 for children with autism. We note that the Department of 315 00:19:00,839 --> 00:19:03,279 Health and Human Services has called any of these reports 316 00:19:03,400 --> 00:19:06,640 speculative until they make this announcement. But this has also 317 00:19:06,680 --> 00:19:08,759 been an issue that has been studied for more than 318 00:19:08,799 --> 00:19:11,200 a decade, and we should know. Tailanol also is very 319 00:19:11,240 --> 00:19:13,839 widely used during pregnancy. More than half of pregnant women 320 00:19:13,880 --> 00:19:18,480 worldwide have reported using thailanol during pregnancy, so this is 321 00:19:18,519 --> 00:19:20,440 a widely used drug, and there's a lot of concern, 322 00:19:20,680 --> 00:19:23,039 not just as you pointed out, the idea that linking 323 00:19:23,079 --> 00:19:26,319 this as an answer to autism definitively could be reckless 324 00:19:26,359 --> 00:19:28,759 according to the ACOG president, but also that this will 325 00:19:28,759 --> 00:19:31,480 strike fear in pregnant women and perhaps stop them from 326 00:19:31,559 --> 00:19:33,839 using an important medication when there aren't a lot of 327 00:19:33,880 --> 00:19:37,039 other options, and fever during pregnancy can be dangerous. 328 00:19:37,359 --> 00:19:38,759 Speaker 3: So from the reports. 329 00:19:38,359 --> 00:19:40,720 Speaker 9: We've seen, it does not appear that this is necessarily 330 00:19:40,720 --> 00:19:45,119 based on any new research. There have been many studies 331 00:19:45,160 --> 00:19:47,920 about this over the last decade or so, including one 332 00:19:48,079 --> 00:19:50,920 analysis of previous studies that just came out about a 333 00:19:50,960 --> 00:19:54,000 month ago that looked about at forty six studies of 334 00:19:54,039 --> 00:19:57,359 the use of tailan al during pregnancy and neurodevelopmental disorders, 335 00:19:57,680 --> 00:20:02,200 and essentially that analysis concluded that there is evidence consistent 336 00:20:02,240 --> 00:20:04,759 with an association between exposure to a seat of minifit 337 00:20:04,839 --> 00:20:09,119 during pregnancy and offspring with neurodevelopmental disorders including autism, spectrum 338 00:20:09,119 --> 00:20:14,759 disorder and ADHD. But they said observational limitations preclude definitive causation. So, 339 00:20:15,119 --> 00:20:17,359 as you were talking about with the ACOG president, somebody 340 00:20:17,400 --> 00:20:20,359 could get a fever during pregnancy or have pain during pregnancy, 341 00:20:20,680 --> 00:20:23,720 use tailanl to treat that pain, subsequently have a baby 342 00:20:23,720 --> 00:20:26,400 who later is diagnosed with autism. Does that mean that 343 00:20:26,400 --> 00:20:29,440 the tailanyl caused the autism or whatever caused the fever, 344 00:20:29,640 --> 00:20:33,200 or perhaps the pain was related to the autism diagnosis. 345 00:20:33,240 --> 00:20:36,079 So these questions are as yet unanswered. We should also 346 00:20:36,119 --> 00:20:38,599 note that the maker of tilanol is disputing any link 347 00:20:38,680 --> 00:20:39,599 between these two things. 348 00:20:39,640 --> 00:20:42,279 Speaker 1: So let's go to the doctor and the house doctor 349 00:20:42,319 --> 00:20:46,720 Scott got Lab, former FDA commissioner, and see what he 350 00:20:46,759 --> 00:20:47,480 says about it. 351 00:20:49,039 --> 00:20:51,400 Speaker 10: Well, this has been extensively study. There was a study 352 00:20:51,440 --> 00:20:53,480 in job in twenty twenty four with two point four 353 00:20:53,519 --> 00:20:56,799 eight million siblings showed no correlation. There's been some smallest 354 00:20:56,799 --> 00:20:59,799 studies suggesting that they could be a correlation, again for 355 00:21:00,160 --> 00:21:03,319 worthy of further study, but there is no clear evidence 356 00:21:03,319 --> 00:21:04,759 that it causes autism. 357 00:21:05,000 --> 00:21:06,680 Speaker 5: For women who take it during pregnancy. 358 00:21:06,920 --> 00:21:11,319 Speaker 1: Okay, so he says there's no clear answer yet. Doctor 359 00:21:11,359 --> 00:21:16,759 Peter Hotez does immunology in vaccines out of Texas and 360 00:21:16,799 --> 00:21:18,359 this is his take on it. 361 00:21:18,720 --> 00:21:21,880 Speaker 11: Well, first of all, we have with the Press secretary 362 00:21:22,000 --> 00:21:25,279 saying go in with an open mind. So the hope 363 00:21:25,359 --> 00:21:28,680 is that there's not going to double down about to 364 00:21:28,680 --> 00:21:32,319 see the minifit and tile and all or full inic acid. 365 00:21:32,599 --> 00:21:35,759 We know there's about one hundred genes involved in autism. 366 00:21:35,799 --> 00:21:39,359 Autism has a genetic basis. We did hold genomic sequencing 367 00:21:39,400 --> 00:21:41,480 on my daughter Rachel and my wife Anna, and I 368 00:21:41,559 --> 00:21:45,680 found Rachel's autism gene there involved in early fetal brain development. 369 00:21:46,160 --> 00:21:49,720 These are events that happen on early in pregnancy, and 370 00:21:49,799 --> 00:21:54,119 so it doesn't mean that there's no environmental effects. But 371 00:21:54,200 --> 00:21:56,839 I think most of the so called rise in autism 372 00:21:56,920 --> 00:22:00,480 is due to how we've dramatically changed our Diego gnostic 373 00:22:00,519 --> 00:22:03,839 criteria over the years. We don't longer call it autism. 374 00:22:03,839 --> 00:22:06,200 We call it autism spectrum disorder, and we've been so 375 00:22:06,279 --> 00:22:08,359 much more inclusive. And by the way, it's about to 376 00:22:08,400 --> 00:22:11,480 go up again because we're getting better at diagnosing autism 377 00:22:11,799 --> 00:22:16,960 and girls and women. Now, there is a potential environmental 378 00:22:17,119 --> 00:22:19,960 link to this, but it's all due to exposure early 379 00:22:20,799 --> 00:22:23,799 fetal brain development early out of pregnancy. The best known 380 00:22:23,839 --> 00:22:26,839 example is if you're pregnant and not aware of it 381 00:22:26,880 --> 00:22:30,039 in taking an anti seizure medicine called depicote also known 382 00:22:30,079 --> 00:22:34,440 as valproic acid. It interacts with autism genes and has 383 00:22:34,480 --> 00:22:39,119 been shown to give rise within firing increased frequency to 384 00:22:39,160 --> 00:22:42,160 an autism phenotype. That one looks pretty strong, although it's 385 00:22:42,160 --> 00:22:45,480 fairly rare. The acetam in if intil and all connection 386 00:22:46,000 --> 00:22:49,480 is much weaker. From what I can see. There was 387 00:22:48,240 --> 00:22:54,759 a very large study of two million children and adults 388 00:22:55,240 --> 00:22:58,559 done in Sweden by the renowned Kralinsk Institute last year, 389 00:22:59,279 --> 00:23:03,319 published in twenty twenty four showing absolutely no link between 390 00:23:03,519 --> 00:23:05,960 a seed of minifin and the paper that the White 391 00:23:06,000 --> 00:23:09,559 House has been citing. A systematic reviews shows some studies 392 00:23:09,599 --> 00:23:12,839 show a possible link, others don't. So I don't really 393 00:23:12,920 --> 00:23:15,640 quite understand what they're looking at while they're doubling down 394 00:23:15,759 --> 00:23:18,079 on a set of minifin, and I'm hoping that they 395 00:23:18,119 --> 00:23:19,440 backpedal from that somewhere. 396 00:23:19,759 --> 00:23:21,559 Speaker 1: Yeah. The maker of Tailer and All, which the main 397 00:23:21,680 --> 00:23:26,400 ingredient is a set of intemen. They're saying there's nothing wrong, 398 00:23:26,480 --> 00:23:29,319 but her doctor hotests say there's one hundred different genes 399 00:23:30,119 --> 00:23:34,960 that are somehow involved in autism. So obviously the sorting 400 00:23:35,079 --> 00:23:38,440 and figuring that all out. But in the meantime, Wall 401 00:23:38,440 --> 00:23:41,160 Street's reacting negatively to the company that makes Tyler All 402 00:23:41,200 --> 00:23:43,160 because there's going to be a lot of pregnant women 403 00:23:43,519 --> 00:23:45,680 that are going to try to skip taking Tiler and 404 00:23:45,680 --> 00:23:50,039 All even though they say they can't really they can't 405 00:23:50,240 --> 00:23:54,240 call there's no causation. There's a link, but no causation. Well, 406 00:23:55,000 --> 00:23:56,960 I can imagine a lot of pregnant ladies are just 407 00:23:56,960 --> 00:23:59,920 going to say, I'm not going to buy it. Meantime, 408 00:24:00,319 --> 00:24:03,079 I'm sure kylan All will do just fine with other 409 00:24:03,160 --> 00:24:07,519 aches and paigns, but for pregnant women, that's what they're 410 00:24:08,119 --> 00:24:10,799 trying to look at and try to create some causation. 411 00:24:10,920 --> 00:24:13,880 It sounds much more complicated to me as a layman 412 00:24:13,960 --> 00:24:18,279 than just one product. And Kamala Harris has got the 413 00:24:18,279 --> 00:24:20,200 new book that she's coming one hundred and seven days. 414 00:24:20,200 --> 00:24:23,839 It's the length of her campaign, shortest presidential campaign ever, 415 00:24:24,319 --> 00:24:26,400 and the book is coming out this week. And she's 416 00:24:26,440 --> 00:24:30,519 getting more publicity of this book then she got when 417 00:24:30,519 --> 00:24:36,440 she was running for president. A bunch of Democrats are 418 00:24:36,559 --> 00:24:40,039 all upset about all of this. Let's start with Governor 419 00:24:40,680 --> 00:24:45,319 Shapiro out of Pennsylvania, who looked like he was going 420 00:24:45,359 --> 00:24:48,839 to be her pick to be her vice presidential running mate, 421 00:24:49,440 --> 00:24:53,359 and then she switched to Tim Walls. Here's Governor Shapiro. 422 00:24:54,039 --> 00:24:57,039 Speaker 12: I haven't read the former vice president's book, and she's 423 00:24:57,079 --> 00:24:59,440 going to have to. She's going to have to answer 424 00:24:59,680 --> 00:25:02,880 to how she was in the room and yet never 425 00:25:02,960 --> 00:25:04,359 said anything publicly. 426 00:25:05,119 --> 00:25:08,319 Speaker 1: Well, he wasn't being too critical, but she's burning bridges 427 00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:13,039 with Democrats, and the Democrats are furious. Mark penn longtime 428 00:25:13,079 --> 00:25:17,160 Democrat strategist and polster, he shaking his head over it. 429 00:25:17,920 --> 00:25:20,160 Speaker 13: Yeah, I wouldn't expect one hundred thousand people at this 430 00:25:20,160 --> 00:25:25,759 book to her. Look, she had an incredible opportunity that 431 00:25:25,839 --> 00:25:28,720 no one ever gets, which is to run as a 432 00:25:28,759 --> 00:25:33,759 Democratic standard bearer without a primary, with a billion, billion 433 00:25:33,799 --> 00:25:36,920 and a half dollars behind you, and she should have 434 00:25:36,920 --> 00:25:41,519 been internally grateful for that opportunity and looking forward to 435 00:25:41,839 --> 00:25:45,240 where America should go next. So look, I didn't find 436 00:25:45,240 --> 00:25:47,599 the things that she said, particularly a caustic I mean 437 00:25:47,640 --> 00:25:50,279 they were realistic some of the things. You know, some 438 00:25:50,319 --> 00:25:53,240 people's other rivals really didn't like that she got no 439 00:25:53,319 --> 00:25:57,119 primary and didn't support her at first, and Joe Biden 440 00:25:57,200 --> 00:26:00,680 did make a decision here that was wrong. So I 441 00:26:00,720 --> 00:26:03,799 agree with Excera, there's no political strategy here. I think 442 00:26:03,839 --> 00:26:05,559 she's sort of trying to tell some of it like 443 00:26:05,599 --> 00:26:09,000 it is. But maybe that wasn't really the best idea 444 00:26:09,079 --> 00:26:12,680 if she wanted to continue to have a well, look, 445 00:26:12,720 --> 00:26:14,759 I think she thinks she's got a base in California. 446 00:26:15,079 --> 00:26:18,960 Maybe she'll be able to maneuver and build off that 447 00:26:19,079 --> 00:26:21,920 base and build herself back there. I think the idea 448 00:26:21,960 --> 00:26:24,920 that she'd go into a national campaign, you know, we'll 449 00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:27,240 run again for president or have that opportunity, I don't 450 00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:32,319 think that's anywhere in the court. So realistically, what's her 451 00:26:32,319 --> 00:26:35,359 point or what's her game. It's either something in California 452 00:26:35,920 --> 00:26:38,759 or you know, next administration getting a you know, does 453 00:26:38,799 --> 00:26:41,680 she want to go in after vice president? So I 454 00:26:41,720 --> 00:26:44,680 don't think she has yet a clear strategy. It doesn't 455 00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:47,400 It doesn't surprise me. But also, you had a lot 456 00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:50,400 of prickly Democrats here who never really liked that she 457 00:26:50,480 --> 00:26:51,680 got the chance on the first play. 458 00:26:52,279 --> 00:26:54,359 Speaker 1: So if Kamala Harra doesn't have a future in the 459 00:26:54,400 --> 00:26:58,880 Democrat Party, what about AOC. She's making noises about either 460 00:26:58,960 --> 00:27:01,079 running for the Senate or for president. 461 00:27:02,039 --> 00:27:05,519 Speaker 13: Well, look, if anybody bothers to read the Democratic Socialist 462 00:27:05,559 --> 00:27:09,359 website and the various things that they stand for, I mean, 463 00:27:10,640 --> 00:27:14,680 between the appropriation and property, the legalization of drugs, prostitution, 464 00:27:14,839 --> 00:27:18,599 I mean, you know, it's an incredible set of policies 465 00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:21,839 here behind the smiles of AOC, you know, and the 466 00:27:21,839 --> 00:27:26,160 mayoral candidate. Look at AOC. She has a really strong 467 00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:30,440 gen Z audience. She certainly accumulated a lot of power 468 00:27:30,440 --> 00:27:33,519 within the Democratic Party, you know, does that go anywhere? 469 00:27:33,519 --> 00:27:35,400 The question is, is a Democratic Party going to go 470 00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:37,599 back to nineteen seventy two and eighty four where they 471 00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:41,599 reduce themselves to one state or are they going to 472 00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:44,279 come in here and save the party from becoming a 473 00:27:44,279 --> 00:27:46,480 Democratic socialist party. That's the big question. 474 00:27:46,599 --> 00:27:48,400 Speaker 1: So I'm putting that on my reading list to look 475 00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:52,240 up the Democrat Socialist website and see what their party 476 00:27:52,319 --> 00:27:55,200 is all about, what they're for, what they're against. Nobody's 477 00:27:55,240 --> 00:27:57,519 done that. The only one that anybody had even heard 478 00:27:57,559 --> 00:28:01,599 was a Democrat, socialist was Bernie Sanders, but now AOC 479 00:28:02,079 --> 00:28:04,720 and this guy running for mayor of New York. So 480 00:28:04,799 --> 00:28:07,759 maybe we ought to go check are they what are 481 00:28:07,759 --> 00:28:13,359 they for? Stephen A. Smith, the sports guy, even he's 482 00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:17,039 weighed on Kamala Harris and what she's doing with her book. 483 00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:19,440 Speaker 14: Who cares what she has to say at this particular moment, 484 00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:22,039 the time when you had an opportunity, as the Democratic 485 00:28:22,079 --> 00:28:24,720 nominee for the presidency of the United States of America 486 00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:27,920 to address so many different issues, and instead what you 487 00:28:28,039 --> 00:28:30,640 did was go into protective mode. You wanted to show 488 00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:32,559 your loyalty or what have you, and then you lose 489 00:28:32,599 --> 00:28:34,519 the election. I don't think that she's going to have 490 00:28:34,599 --> 00:28:36,680 any support from the Democratic Party. I can tell you 491 00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:37,160 that much. 492 00:28:37,559 --> 00:28:41,440 Speaker 1: All right, So let's go to a Democrat strategist, Al Motore. 493 00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:45,359 It's been a long time Democrat guy running campaigns. This 494 00:28:45,519 --> 00:28:47,960 is his take on Kamala's book and what she's doing. 495 00:28:48,279 --> 00:28:51,480 Speaker 15: I'm not sure what she's doing here other than perhaps 496 00:28:51,519 --> 00:28:54,960 making some money with a book. There's not much credibility 497 00:28:54,599 --> 00:28:57,839 in the pages, as I've seen the expert excerpts, and 498 00:28:57,839 --> 00:28:59,559 as Stephen A. Smith points out when you tell the 499 00:28:59,599 --> 00:29:02,640 American people in June of twenty twenty four that President 500 00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:05,319 Biden is just fine, and then in an interview when 501 00:29:05,359 --> 00:29:08,359 you're the nominee, you tell the American people that you 502 00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:11,319 wouldn't have done a single thing differently, but then you 503 00:29:11,359 --> 00:29:13,559 print a book months later that says we were all 504 00:29:13,599 --> 00:29:16,319 reckless and we should have done something differently on the 505 00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:19,240 number one issue, which was whether the president could function. 506 00:29:19,759 --> 00:29:20,640 Speaker 12: That's not credible. 507 00:29:21,079 --> 00:29:24,200 Speaker 15: I mean, you can't run for president and tell voters 508 00:29:24,519 --> 00:29:27,000 don't worry, everything is going to be fine. Prices will 509 00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:29,759 eventually come down because what we did is going to 510 00:29:29,839 --> 00:29:33,720 work eventually. When people are struggling with affordability issues, that's 511 00:29:33,759 --> 00:29:36,200 not a winning issue. And let's not forget that. In 512 00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:39,839 my party, President Obama was named the deporter in chief 513 00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:41,559 and all of a sudden, we lost an interest in 514 00:29:41,599 --> 00:29:47,079 stifling imtegration. So it's again, we didn't have credibility then, 515 00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:48,799 and until we have a better message, we're not going 516 00:29:48,839 --> 00:29:49,839 to have credibility now. 517 00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:52,680 Speaker 1: I've got a lot of Kevin Oldory for some reason. 518 00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:56,759 Today he was doing a lot of interviews and he's 519 00:29:56,880 --> 00:30:02,079 got the classic businessman take on Kamala Harris's book. 520 00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:06,440 Speaker 6: Let's talk about the business of launching a book. If 521 00:30:06,519 --> 00:30:09,359 you want to get a hit, you need to sell 522 00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:12,440 a minimum of twenty five thousand copies to get that 523 00:30:12,559 --> 00:30:17,599 coveted slot New York Times Nonfiction number one. Okay, what 524 00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:20,880 we're doing right now is practically guaranteeing she's going to 525 00:30:20,920 --> 00:30:24,400 get that. She's brilliant with this strategy of getting on 526 00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:28,559 the news hours before the book drops. If you're the publisher, 527 00:30:28,839 --> 00:30:31,839 you're loving this now. A lot of these books are 528 00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:34,359 purchased as gifts, a lot of them are purchaser never read. 529 00:30:34,599 --> 00:30:36,799 Speaker 5: But it doesn't matter. You want to drop a book. 530 00:30:37,079 --> 00:30:41,039 Speaker 6: You want controversy, you want argument, you want people saying, 531 00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:45,599 what's in this book that's causing all this kafuffle. I'm 532 00:30:45,599 --> 00:30:48,400 going to go buy one, and that's exactly what's going 533 00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:50,160 on here. And I got to hand it to her. 534 00:30:50,920 --> 00:30:58,119 You know, political books about previous elections, boringo, but not 535 00:30:58,279 --> 00:31:02,000 this one. This one is is absolutely nailing it from 536 00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:04,559 the publisher's point of view. And I've published a few 537 00:31:04,559 --> 00:31:06,599 books in my time, I wish I could have this 538 00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:07,680 kind of controversy. 539 00:31:08,279 --> 00:31:11,720 Speaker 1: And finally, over the weekend yesterday to be precise was 540 00:31:11,759 --> 00:31:17,039 the memorial service for Charlie Kirk at Glendale, Arizona, and 541 00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:22,480 I thought it was some interesting observations that came out 542 00:31:22,519 --> 00:31:27,160 of it from Trey Goudi and Pam Bondi. Let's start 543 00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:31,200 with Trey and how he thinks the local prosecutors in 544 00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:33,480 Utah are handling the case to date. 545 00:31:34,119 --> 00:31:36,359 Speaker 2: Well, he's trying to do three things, at least three 546 00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:38,960 things here. Number One, death is different, though, I mean, 547 00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:42,039 you have to be meticulous, if not perfect, in a 548 00:31:42,119 --> 00:31:46,880 capital case. So every conceivable question that a jury may 549 00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:49,960 have Cash and the prosecutors are now trying to answer. 550 00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:53,279 I mean everything in a death penalty case is different. 551 00:31:54,160 --> 00:31:57,000 The standard of proof may be the same, but in reality, 552 00:31:57,039 --> 00:31:59,279 if you're going to put someone to death, the case 553 00:31:59,359 --> 00:32:01,519 needs to be per The second thing he's trying to 554 00:32:01,559 --> 00:32:06,359 do is even I I think I'm a rational person, 555 00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:10,920 I struggle with whether or not anyone knew that he 556 00:32:11,079 --> 00:32:13,240 was planning on doing this before he did it. So 557 00:32:13,359 --> 00:32:17,119 Cash is also investigating people who may have aided and 558 00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:20,599 embedded or accomplices. And the third thing he's trying to do, 559 00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:22,440 which I don't think he's going to be able to, 560 00:32:23,079 --> 00:32:26,519 is tap down the conspiracies that are out there. Almost 561 00:32:26,599 --> 00:32:29,720 every major assassination we've had in our history, Bill, there's 562 00:32:29,759 --> 00:32:33,440 still someone out there who thinks some conspiracy. I mean, 563 00:32:33,480 --> 00:32:35,680 in fact, there are people who think the Earth is flat. 564 00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:39,440 So he's going to have a hard time convincing everyone 565 00:32:40,119 --> 00:32:42,839 that this investigation was fulsome but that's what he's trying 566 00:32:42,839 --> 00:32:43,000 to do. 567 00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:46,200 Speaker 1: What is referring to is cash. Pttel, the FBI director, 568 00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:51,599 put out some tweets earlier today saying we are meticulously 569 00:32:51,759 --> 00:32:57,119 investigating theories and questions, including the location from where the 570 00:32:57,160 --> 00:33:01,359 shot was taken, the possibility of accomplices, the text message 571 00:33:01,599 --> 00:33:08,000 confession and related conversations, discord chats, the angle of the 572 00:33:08,079 --> 00:33:13,279 shot and bullet impact, how the weapon was transported, hand 573 00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:18,200 gestures observed as possible signals near Charlie at the time 574 00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:22,720 of his assassination, and visitors to the alleged shooter's residence 575 00:33:23,039 --> 00:33:27,119 in the hours and days leading up to September tenth, 576 00:33:27,359 --> 00:33:30,319 twenty twenty five. Yeah, a lot of people have been 577 00:33:30,359 --> 00:33:35,359 investigating after Charlie was shot, and the question is what 578 00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:38,640 was going on beforehand? And yeah, there are already I've 579 00:33:38,680 --> 00:33:41,720 seen the conspiracies about there was somebody behind him, one 580 00:33:41,759 --> 00:33:44,279 of his security team that moved his arm, and somebody 581 00:33:44,359 --> 00:33:47,880 said that was a signal. So, and Trey's right, there 582 00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:52,119 will always be conspiracies whenever you have something like a 583 00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:56,400 political assassination. Pam Bondi was asked about it as well. 584 00:33:56,640 --> 00:33:59,160 Speaker 8: So are US attorney in Utah is working hand in 585 00:33:59,240 --> 00:34:02,240 hand with the district attorney out there. The district attorney 586 00:34:02,519 --> 00:34:05,319 has indicted for first degree murder and other charges. They 587 00:34:05,359 --> 00:34:09,199 are seeking the death penalty, and the firing squad is 588 00:34:09,199 --> 00:34:11,360 still on the table in the state of Utah, among 589 00:34:11,440 --> 00:34:15,199 other things. So it's indicted in the state and we're 590 00:34:15,239 --> 00:34:18,000 working hand in hand to decide when and if we 591 00:34:18,079 --> 00:34:19,639 will indict federally as well. 592 00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:22,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean what Pam's point is, this is a 593 00:34:23,039 --> 00:34:27,000 state murder investigation. It is a Utah murder investigation. The 594 00:34:27,079 --> 00:34:30,800 FBI is assisting like they do in lots of other jurisdictions, 595 00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:34,440 but ultimately it'll be a Utah state prosecutor standing in 596 00:34:34,440 --> 00:34:37,800 front of a Utah jerry what she means. Look, there 597 00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:41,159 are examples like Dylan Roof where the FEDS did take 598 00:34:41,199 --> 00:34:43,159 over the case and they're the ones that put him 599 00:34:43,159 --> 00:34:48,119 on death row. But the jurisdiction for murder almost always 600 00:34:48,199 --> 00:34:50,760 lies in state court, which is why the FBI and 601 00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:54,639 the US Attorney are helping that they're not the lead agency. 602 00:34:54,920 --> 00:34:56,840 Speaker 1: I know I'm getting ahead of myself, but don't you 603 00:34:56,880 --> 00:35:00,599 find there's a bunch of karma involved here if this 604 00:35:00,679 --> 00:35:05,159 guy is convicted and sentenced to death by the firing squad, 605 00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:09,039 just saying I think the moment. It was a long 606 00:35:09,119 --> 00:35:11,679 service in Glendale yesterday. I think it was almost five 607 00:35:11,719 --> 00:35:15,920 hours long. But the one part that if you missed it, 608 00:35:16,599 --> 00:35:19,639 that I want to play for you is Erica Kirk, 609 00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:23,840 the widow, as she got up and gave a very 610 00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:29,320 moving speech, of course in tears. But here's the money quote. 611 00:35:29,079 --> 00:35:29,480 Speaker 2: Of the day. 612 00:35:30,679 --> 00:35:40,199 Speaker 16: On the Cross, our saviors said, Father, forgive them for 613 00:35:40,360 --> 00:35:42,039 they not know what they do. 614 00:35:45,079 --> 00:35:59,400 Speaker 7: That man, that young man, I forgive him. 615 00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:05,559 Speaker 1: Yeah, very powerful and so you can't help it. Stop 616 00:36:05,599 --> 00:36:08,039 and think if somebody killed your loved one, could you 617 00:36:08,159 --> 00:36:13,559 forgive that person? And from a religious standpoint, and that 618 00:36:13,800 --> 00:36:17,000 is what Jesus said on the Cross, they know not 619 00:36:17,079 --> 00:36:20,360 what they do. I forgive them something to that effect, 620 00:36:20,360 --> 00:36:26,679 depending upon your Bible verse. But that doesn't absolve the 621 00:36:26,840 --> 00:36:34,360 state holding the shooter responsible, and so she may forgive 622 00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:39,239 the shooter in her heart, in her religious thoughts, but 623 00:36:39,360 --> 00:36:43,159 the state of Arizona is well. He gets a trial 624 00:36:43,519 --> 00:36:46,079 and they'll be up to the jury to decide whether 625 00:36:46,119 --> 00:36:51,079 they forgive him or not. All right, Like I said, 626 00:36:51,119 --> 00:36:54,960 we've got a programming note. I'll be gone Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday. 627 00:36:55,000 --> 00:36:57,760 I'm out on the West coast giving a speech out 628 00:36:57,800 --> 00:37:02,639 there Wednesday, looking forward to it. So i'll be back. 629 00:37:02,760 --> 00:37:06,840 I've got travel Day Tuesday, the travel Day on Thursday, 630 00:37:07,400 --> 00:37:11,400 and be back with you guys and gals on Friday. 631 00:37:11,840 --> 00:37:15,880 In the meantime, here's what Wall Street did today. Actually 632 00:37:16,239 --> 00:37:19,719 not much, but the daw was positive. All overall, market 633 00:37:19,840 --> 00:37:23,159 was positive, especially gold. Let's start with the Dow where 634 00:37:23,159 --> 00:37:25,960 we always do. The Dow up sixty six points to 635 00:37:26,079 --> 00:37:30,440 forty six thousand and three eighty one, SMP up twenty nine, 636 00:37:30,920 --> 00:37:34,719 nazdack up one hundred and fifty seven. The price of 637 00:37:34,760 --> 00:37:39,320 gold up seventy four dollars today to thirty seven point eighty. 638 00:37:39,760 --> 00:37:41,719 The only thing with the red arrow was the price 639 00:37:41,760 --> 00:37:44,519 of oil, and it was only down about four cents 640 00:37:44,800 --> 00:37:47,119 to sixty two dollars and some change for a barrel 641 00:37:47,119 --> 00:37:50,880 of oil. Thank you for coming by today. We'll be 642 00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:52,760 back on Friday. I hope to see you then