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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to the Parenting Roundabout podcast. I'm Terry Morrow and

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Catherine Jileco. As parents and parenting writers, we can't

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<v Speaker 1>help but see everything through a parenting lens. But as

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<v Speaker 1>our kids have become adults, we find ourselves more interested

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<v Speaker 1>in getting caught up on movies and streaming than I'm

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<v Speaker 1>going over the same parenting topics over and over.

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<v Speaker 2>So since we're pretty sure we can find parenting wisdom anywhere,

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<v Speaker 2>we're going to talk about what we're watching, what we

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<v Speaker 2>thought about it, and maybe what we can learn from it,

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<v Speaker 2>if only what not to do. Watch and listen along,

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<v Speaker 2>and let's all make like we're doing something important for

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<v Speaker 2>our families. Each Wednesday, we bring you our thoughts on

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<v Speaker 2>a newer entertainment property, and for this week of November fourth,

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<v Speaker 2>we are discussing the first episode of the new season

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<v Speaker 2>of Shrinking. This was a show that we liked a

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<v Speaker 2>lot the first outing, and yes we are behind by

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<v Speaker 2>a few weeks, but that's what happens when you're a parent.

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<v Speaker 2>So new episodes of Shrinking are dropping once a week

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<v Speaker 2>on Wednesdays, so we are we are in line with

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<v Speaker 2>that We're on We're bringing this to you on Wednesday.

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<v Speaker 2>It's just Wednesday from like four weeks ago, so you

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<v Speaker 2>can follow that, right.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, you're probably behind too, And if you weren't, go

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<v Speaker 1>watch it again to prepare yourself for a new episode

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<v Speaker 1>and listen.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so all of our all of our friends are back.

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<v Speaker 2>We have we have Jimmy, that's Jason Siegel's character, who's

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<v Speaker 2>the therapist who the conceit of the whole of the

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<v Speaker 2>whole show is that he's trying some unconventional methods with

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<v Speaker 2>his patients because he got frustrated with their Yes. Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>And at the end of the last season there was

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<v Speaker 2>a spectacular problem with this, which is that he accidentally

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<v Speaker 2>question Mark encouraged one of his patients to harm her

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<v Speaker 2>abusive husband.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, and she did, had her to push him off

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<v Speaker 1>off a cliff. Yeah, and that is what she did.

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<v Speaker 1>And at that point it seemed to me that nothing

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<v Speaker 1>good could come of this second season because it would

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<v Speaker 1>surely it would take everybody down. Everybody had some sort

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<v Speaker 1>of connection, the practice would go down, and I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>Sean had had previous contact with the victim, so he

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<v Speaker 1>was going to be under scrutiny. And Brian, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>was involved in that case. From the beating. It just

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<v Speaker 1>seemed like it was just going to ruin everything. And

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<v Speaker 1>it came right after they were all kind of in

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<v Speaker 1>a good place. They were at Brian and Charlie's wedding

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<v Speaker 1>and everything was happy, and then the last thirty seconds

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<v Speaker 1>they did that thing that I thought, oh, now I

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<v Speaker 1>can't look forward to season two because season two is

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<v Speaker 1>going to be awful. It's going to be all the

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<v Speaker 1>repercussions of this, and I don't want to watch that.

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<v Speaker 1>I just want to hang right. So I was simultaneously

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<v Speaker 1>looking forward to this season and dreading it. But at

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<v Speaker 1>least as of this first episode, they're kind of saying

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<v Speaker 1>that's not that bad. Well, this is in jail, but

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<v Speaker 1>everybody else is okay, and Paul says that Jimmy didn't

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<v Speaker 1>really do anything wrong, and part of me is like,

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<v Speaker 1>there is no way that this is easy. And also

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<v Speaker 1>thank you, thank you, yes, second, yes, I mean, not

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<v Speaker 1>having done it in the first place is just saying, ah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>not that.

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<v Speaker 2>Bad handwave, handwave, handwave. Yeah. I mean, the biggest thing

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<v Speaker 2>is that the guy didn't die from falling off the cliffs,

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<v Speaker 2>so she's not in jail for murder, and.

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<v Speaker 1>She hasn't had her trial yet. Would she not be

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<v Speaker 2>I know, maybe she couldn't afford bail.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess wouldn't. Yeah, it seems like somebody I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess it would be inappropriate of your therapist to

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<v Speaker 1>bail you out from pushing your husband off a cliff

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<v Speaker 1>like he told you to. But but then it just

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<v Speaker 1>does give the opportunity to have all those jail visitations.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess. So whatever, right, whatever? Can we scoot past

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<v Speaker 1>this as quickly as possible?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>Then can we never see that character again? Because he's awful?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, the husband.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not upset that he got pushed off a cliff.

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<v Speaker 1>He deserved to get pushed off a cliff. I just

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<v Speaker 1>didn't want the repercussions coming to characters I liked. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>he could have just disappeared.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, And the thing is like, if he was if

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<v Speaker 2>he had died, then it could have been an accident. Right,

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<v Speaker 2>But since he's alive, he knows that she pushed her.

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<v Speaker 2>She pushed him, so he was berating her.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, fortunately, Uh. Yeah, the sooner we can dispatch with

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<v Speaker 1>that plotline, the better. There's enough. There's enough, there's enough,

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<v Speaker 1>dysfunction without that.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, right, there's plenty of that dysfunction to go around.

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<v Speaker 2>We have we have Sean, you know, Paul. Finally, Paul

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<v Speaker 2>is the Harrison Ford character who's the head of the practice,

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<v Speaker 2>finally telling Jimmy that, like, look, you can't try to

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<v Speaker 2>treat Sean anymore. He's living in your house, Like this

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<v Speaker 2>is this is not how this works.

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<v Speaker 1>He's going to tell you things to keep you happy

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<v Speaker 1>even if they're not true, which is not useful. So

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<v Speaker 1>he's still being why people involved in his military past,

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<v Speaker 1>and he can't deal with it, even though his food

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<v Speaker 1>truck seems.

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<v Speaker 2>To be going well, right and he seems to his

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<v Speaker 2>food truck with the neighbor Liz.

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<v Speaker 1>Entertaining Liz has not driven him crazy. It's great, it's good.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, she's she's a lot of fun on this show,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, and she gets kind of a lot to

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<v Speaker 2>do in this In this first episode, she's she's working

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<v Speaker 2>with Sean, she's and then she's very much trying to

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<v Speaker 2>be a friend to Gabby and try to keep her

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<v Speaker 2>from sleeping with Jimmy.

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<v Speaker 1>But that's not happening, you know, be a good friend

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<v Speaker 1>to Gabby. In the most Lise way possible, which is

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<v Speaker 1>being all up in her business, going into her class

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<v Speaker 1>and talking, or just yeah, it's amusing to me. You

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<v Speaker 1>know that that the actress who plays Liz Krista Miller

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<v Speaker 1>is the wife of the show's creator and producer of

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<v Speaker 1>The Lawrence, And so wonder how much is this character

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<v Speaker 1>informed by the actual person?

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<v Speaker 2>Right?

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<v Speaker 1>And then you have to in a marriage. I'm going

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<v Speaker 1>to make you this prison screen, honey.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, and then how much of the Ted McGinley character

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<v Speaker 2>is Bill Laurence exactly?

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<v Speaker 1>Which is their dynamic? I remember them saying something about

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<v Speaker 1>the the bid about that from last season about when

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<v Speaker 1>you retire you can only you know, I can only

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<v Speaker 1>love him like an hour and a half a day

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<v Speaker 1>or something like that. That was from real life. But

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<v Speaker 1>she was also a somewhat pretty character on Cougartown. So

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<v Speaker 1>it's just I feel like there's maybe issues being worked out,

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<v Speaker 1>but I don't care, because she's wonderful and her characters

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<v Speaker 1>are so fun, and while I might not personally want

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<v Speaker 1>to have them in my life, I enjoy having them

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<v Speaker 1>on my TV in other people's lives and delightful, just delightful.

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<v Speaker 2>And I believe Gabby wanted her to interfere in that way.

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<v Speaker 1>And holy cow, if somebody will come and put on

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<v Speaker 1>my crap away after I move. Yes, yes, oh, everything

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<v Speaker 1>is forgiven now and in the future. Thank you.

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<v Speaker 2>Yep. She recruited her husband and Brian to show up

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<v Speaker 2>at Gabby's house while she wasn't there unpack everything. It

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<v Speaker 2>was impressive. Yeah, but.

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<v Speaker 1>For all our affection for the returning characters, which also

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<v Speaker 1>include you know, Jimmy's daughter who's concerned about him and

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<v Speaker 1>watching him sleep, which is a problem. And oh, poor

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<v Speaker 1>little puppy dog Connor, Lizz's son who is still pining

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<v Speaker 1>for Alice even though she is so over him if

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<v Speaker 1>she was ever ever into him at all. To him, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>other than I bet I could ask this guy to

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<v Speaker 1>have sex with me and he'd say yes. So he's

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<v Speaker 1>just that actor is doing a very good job of

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<v Speaker 1>just being clueless young manhood, very forlorn. His parents are

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<v Speaker 1>trying to take him in hand, but not doing a

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<v Speaker 1>very good job. No Ah, dear, but there is a

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<v Speaker 1>new addition to the cast this season, and he knew

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<v Speaker 1>he was going to be that. We knew. Brett Goldstein,

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<v Speaker 1>who was co creator and writer on the show. We

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<v Speaker 1>knew he was going to come on as a cast member. HM,

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<v Speaker 1>who do we think he's going to be? A patient?

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe a love interest for somebody? Ay YAYI. Who he

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<v Speaker 1>is is revealed in like the past couple of seconds,

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<v Speaker 1>which is, if you haven't watched this first episode for

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<v Speaker 1>some reason you're listening to this, stop now go watch it,

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<v Speaker 1>because even though you know that actor is going to

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<v Speaker 1>be on the moment when you find out who he's

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<v Speaker 1>playing is a ah.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, it's I did let out an involuntary gasp.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my goodness. So throughout the episode we have flashbacks.

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<v Speaker 1>Jimmy is flashing back to the night when TiO was killed,

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<v Speaker 1>and when he says whenever he sees sirens, he's back

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<v Speaker 1>at that moment when he came there and he saw

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<v Speaker 1>them loading her into the ambulance with a sheet over

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<v Speaker 1>her head, and then he sees the drunk driver being

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<v Speaker 1>put in the police car. We don't see the drunk

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<v Speaker 1>driver's face, but there's a moment when it's clear that

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<v Speaker 1>he does. And this is just kind of a motif

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<v Speaker 1>throughout the episode. And then at the end, who should

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<v Speaker 1>be sitting in the hallway of his workplace but Brett

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<v Speaker 1>Goldstein as the drunk driver. Ah, yes, I'm not expecting

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<v Speaker 1>that at all. And obviously he's in some sort of

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<v Speaker 1>twelve step thing where he has to come and apologize

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<v Speaker 1>and Jimmy does not.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, speaking of jail, wouldn't he be in jail?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, how long has it? It's been like a year? Right, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I wonder why he's not in jail. That is a

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<v Speaker 1>big question.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, maybe we'll find out, yes, but.

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<v Speaker 1>At any rate, he tries to apologize and Jimmy just says, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>you did it. Go away, and then he tries to

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<v Speaker 1>continue talking and Jimmy yells at him and drives him

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<v Speaker 1>out with the building.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow, that is a character reveal that really surprised me.

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<v Speaker 1>And you know what, if we're not going to get

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<v Speaker 1>into the whole actions have consequences of it with Grace

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<v Speaker 1>and other things that Jimmy has done. If they want

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<v Speaker 1>to work with it this way, I'll take it. I

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<v Speaker 1>think Brenda Christine is up to making that really interesting. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and could not be less Roy Kentish if he tried, right,

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<v Speaker 1>starting with being clean shaven, which is a jolt.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and just you know, sort of quietly turns and

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<v Speaker 2>leaves when Jimmy yells at him, and I mean in

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<v Speaker 2>such a way that we know that this is not

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<v Speaker 2>the end. But he just is like, Okay, he's not

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<v Speaker 2>He's not going to hear this right now, so I'll

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<v Speaker 2>have to try again, and not to just.

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<v Speaker 1>Way mitigate the two ableness of what he did. But

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<v Speaker 1>he seems genuinely contrite and a bashed by. It's not

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<v Speaker 1>like he's just saying, all right, I'm gonna come here,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna say sorry and then everything we're gonna be good,

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<v Speaker 1>right buddy. Now he seems to accept that he's gonna

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<v Speaker 1>it's gonna be tough.

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<v Speaker 2>This is gonna take effort, for sure.

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<v Speaker 1>There was a point at which Jimmy is concerned that

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<v Speaker 1>And he and Julie are still having their little romance,

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<v Speaker 2>I think Julie his doctor.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, they are very cute together. And yes, I like

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<v Speaker 1>Wendy Mellick a lot. I'm glad yea and that that's continuing.

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<v Speaker 1>I've seen a couple of articles about shrinking showing old

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<v Speaker 2>Right? And it was mentioned on Extra Hot Great recently

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<v Speaker 2>that the creator of Only Murders in the Building said

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<v Speaker 2>have a romantic life, and and that in real life

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<v Speaker 1>heard that everybody is running with that as meaning that

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah? I hope for them. I wish it for them.

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<v Speaker 1>I think they are adorable together. Yeah, And I reflect

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<v Speaker 1>again on how completely weird it must be to have

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<v Speaker 1>look at that, that's so cute, or oh look at

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<v Speaker 2>So analyzing it in the in the way in which

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<v Speaker 1>such a time when you wish to go public. We're

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<v Speaker 2>However it works out exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>But parenting wise, the moment we were talking about Connor,

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<v Speaker 1>the moment where Liz is trying to talk him down

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<v Speaker 1>so she says to her husband, you're on PERV patrols.

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<v Speaker 1>What parents do you trade off? All right, I've done this.

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<v Speaker 1>I gotta do something else, you take over, but tap in.

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<v Speaker 2>Again to return to only murders in the building. She

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<v Speaker 1>Needs him to tap in.

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<v Speaker 2>I and I mean, this is this is why we

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<v Speaker 2>have two parents for the yes situations, Yes.

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<v Speaker 1>And we have. We'll probably see more of Gabby's student,

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<v Speaker 1>mother are terrible. I'm the mom. My mom has already

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<v Speaker 2>It's already called Gabby. Right the professor, the college professor.

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<v Speaker 1>I made friends with my kids professors because I was

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<v Speaker 2>Right, Yeah, they appreciate and involve parents, so they.

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<v Speaker 1>Do as much as the as the elementary school and

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<v Speaker 1>But just to get this, one line I enjoyed was

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<v Speaker 1>the carrots make you think they're cheetos. That's that sounds

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<v Speaker 1>like a parenting thing too. It's like, look, it's orange.

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<v Speaker 2>Look almost exactly the same.

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<v Speaker 1>Who knows? And also, but that was.

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<v Speaker 2>Very sweet because the reason why they Alice and Paul

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<v Speaker 2>And you know what should Paul be eating?

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<v Speaker 1>So so another example of the child sort of becoming

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<v Speaker 2>Right now, what's good for you?

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<v Speaker 1>And Paul summed up what will undoubtedly be the theme

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<v Speaker 1>for this season and somewhat last season, but definitely this

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<v Speaker 1>season is you can't spend your life hiding from your trauma.

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<v Speaker 1>If you don't truly deal with your past, it'll come

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<v Speaker 1>back for you. And when that happens, boom. Yeah, that

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<v Speaker 1>was overlaid with this situation of him seeing the drunk

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<v Speaker 1>driver and yelling at him. Right, so, all sorts of

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<v Speaker 1>fun ahead on shrinking.

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<v Speaker 2>Yay, but we'll be talking about it every Wednesday.

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<v Speaker 1>The next episode sounds real fun. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>The next episode, second episode two of season two, is

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<v Speaker 2>called I Love Pain, so.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, it would be the episode of the title

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<v Speaker 1>of a lost episode two, so they yes, kind of overlapping.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, So we'll see you back here for that next

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